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Okay, that's fine. We

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will see how it goes in an hour. Alright, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the oklahoma city council

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meeting. The meeting is now called to order, and I'd like to ask our city clerk to please call

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the roll. Mr. Mayor, we need to formally adjourn from the two o'clock special meeting.

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oh, you're right. Okay. Sorry. And we can move to the three. You bear with

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me. We've gotta, I've gotta read this statement.

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uh, first off, um, I ask our city attorney to

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report on the closed session.

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thank you, mayor city councilman. Closed session at the end of the special meeting this, this

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afternoon on conference with legal counsel on anticipated litigation, uh,

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significant exposure litigation, and, uh, it gave

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direction, direction to the city's legal counsel. Thank

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you. Um, this brings us to adjournment, the joint special meeting of the oklahoma city council

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and el cajon housing authority held. This 11th day of

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february, 2025 is adjourned. And welcome

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to the elcon city council meeting. This meeting is called to order and I'd like to ask our city clerk

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to please call the roll. All council members are present. Thank

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you very much. Alright.

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would you please stand with me for the pledge of allegiance and then remain standing afterwards.

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for a brief moment of silence,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under god, invis, and liberty and justice for

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thank you.

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the city clerk posted orders of adjournment of the january 28th, 2025 meeting

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and the agenda of the february 11th, 2025 meeting in accordance with state law,

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city council and housing authority policy. Once again, I'd like to invite members

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of the public to attend the 2025 state of the city address. The event will

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be held on tuesday, february 18th, 2025 at 6:00 pm at the ronald reagan

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community center, located at 1 95 east douglas avenue. Join

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us as we reflect on the accomplishments of the past year and share what

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is coming into your ahead. We have

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no presentations on today's agenda. Staff, do you have any agenda changes

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mr. Mayor? No changes. Counsel, any agenda changes?

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I see none. That brings us to consent items, consent items and routine

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matters and enacted by one motion according to the recommendation listed below

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with the concurrence of the city council, council member or person in attendance may

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request discussion of a consent item at this time. Council members, do you wish to

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pull any of the consent items? Seeing none, staff?

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no, sir. Are there any speaker cards for consent items? Sir? We have one

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speaker card from truth.

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you have to tell him. Hi. Truth. Hi there. I didn't want you guys to

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yep. I saw. No, I want, I want, um, I wanna hear everything

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you have to say. Go ahead. I'll give you a few more seconds. Okay. Mike is on and no one is distracted.

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that means we can begin. So the minutes claim. I spoke in opposition

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to item nine and maybe it sounded that way to some people.

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I think it did. Uh, but I was actually in support and I do want the record

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to reflect that I could even accept neutral if you wanna compromise.

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I was only in opposition to racism and lies not toward

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that item. Also, amy riker's name ends in

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the letter t not a d. Also important. Thank you, . Thank you very much.

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amy. We apologize . Okay then. Um,

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I'd like to make a motion then to approve the consent items. Second, please vote.

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motion carries by unanimous vote.

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alright, that brings us to public comment. We're

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now at public comment. At this time, any person may address a matter within the jurisdiction

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of the city council housing authority successor agency to the el cajon redevelopment

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agency that is not on the agenda. Comments ran into items on today's

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agenda already be taken at the time that the item is heard. State law prohibits discussion

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or action on items not on the agenda. However, city council and housing authority members

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may briefly respond to statements or questions, and an item may be

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placed on a future agenda. Andrew, do we have any speaker cards for public comment? Yes,

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sir. We have three of them. The first one is from truth.

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okay. First, I wanna thank the police for keeping everyone safe. During the last meeting, there

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were stationed all around the premises, so I didn't have to worry about, uh, my way

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out. Every, every city needs this protocol and my ideas for meeting improvements.

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bill, I appreciate how questions are often answered, but please end the back and

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forth discussion during people's comment. Time it's unproductive and causes conflicts. Save

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your guys' comments for after another issue. During the last meeting,

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so many people had to fight to be heard, and that is not okay. The individual consistent

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disruptor should have been removed from the chamber to keep order and deter further misbehaviors.

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I encourage removal for those who refuse to be respectful while people speak. I don't care what

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your belief is. Also, please always call three speakers names

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at a time so people know to be ready. And again, the racial

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stereotypes by steve and gary need to end. There was even a ridiculous

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lie about so-called brown people feeling scared to shop in el

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cajon. So I brought my back. I'm not scared today and I'm not gonna be scared no

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matter who the president is. So cease and desist on the fear-mongering hateful

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rhetoric in the city's code of ethics and or conduct, there needs to be a

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specific policy against racial stereotyping. Now I'm gonna talk about a

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few activist groups that have attended recent council meetings. The national

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day labor network who had a member threaten the city with lawsuits is a well-funded

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la based organization that works with the political union, a-f-l-c-I-o,

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and have an organizing method based on communist palo uh,

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fires ideas. The national daily labor network praises sanctuary

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policies on their website. And they have a workforce initiative, which includes the partner

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catholic charities, who many would deem to be a big time profiteer off the

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illegal immigration industrial complex. There was the sand diego organizing

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project who pushed for every tax paying resident of the county, a foot, a $5 million

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annual lawyer bill only for those facing deportations. Ironically,

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under the county government accountability part of their website, they featured disgraced

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former county supervisors, nathan fletcher and nora vargas. And there was the partnership

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for new americans. Panna, who in 2021 had members

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actively advocating for carving el cajon out of district two, as well as

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segregating the chaldean community and rancho san diego away from el cajon

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and latinos and axion, who organized the mexican senate president's visit to el

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cajon of all cities in america, yet according to a, b, c

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10, a, b, c, 10 news, latinos and acumen's. Very first meeting was after the

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last council meeting. Many of these people also spotted in downtown san diego.

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at the protest there did they carpool magically, clockwork

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protest and riots also popped up in national city, escondido, oceanside,

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vista, and outside of san diego, such as in la riverside, dallas,

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arkansas, missouri, and georgia. But somebody paid for that switch to be turned

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on. The question is who? Because no movement suddenly gets a nationwide

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flyer title and plan of operation without being planned well in advance with

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a lot of money, and it's all been based and disinformation. Thank

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you. Thank you.

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brenda hammond,

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you're getting brenda, can you ask the next person? Oh, I'll come up. Brenda.

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can't do it.

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come.

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I'm missing a blue one. Well, blue is not that important to me anyway. Oh,

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sorry. . Hi, brenda. Go ahead. Um, hi.

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hi, graham. Mr. Mitchell. Um, I, I wanna say

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I grew up with all kinds of people in east county and yes, that includes el cajon.

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I learned my teenage life lessons in el cajon. I

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I knew a lesbian couple that grew to love each other since they were

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teenagers. Um, they started a house cleaning business.

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and as adults over the years became very successful. They later

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married when I went, when I went through my divorce, they

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asked me to come to their new year's eve party and I, and, um, at their house in

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la mesa. I was hesitant but curious. So I showed

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up and I stood at the open door and I peered in their festive house.

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everyone was having fun talking, dancing, a little drinking. They weren't having an

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orgy. Um, I smiled and turned to leave. Well, one of my

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girls, as I called them all these years, as I, as I,

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um, as I turned to go away, as I

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turned to leave, they turned off the music and said, everybody, this is brenda.

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she likes the oscar meyer. So show her some respect.

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I was handed a blue margarita, which was really good, and I stayed about an hour

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and I had a great time. My point is, we all need to be to stop judging

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each other for whatever sexual preference, religion, um,

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especially race. Thank you. Thank you,

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berta. The last speaker is allegedly

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audra. Hi ara. Welcome.

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hey, bill, how you doing? Having fun. All right. It's always fun, right?

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life is interesting. So I wanted to bring up some things that happened at the last meeting,

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and this has to do with you, michelle. I don't think that you handled,

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uh, the aftermath of the meeting very well.

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I think that you were very outrageous, um, absurd. And you

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should have been more composed when talking to your own constituents. I

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actually had to stand in between you because it got so, um,

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seemingly aggressive and out of control. And it's very sad

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to see that you can make excuses. Like, you know, you're tired, you're hungry, you're on

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menopause, you're having menopause issues. Um, I think that

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if you can't handle some, those are her own words. Those

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are her own words. So if that's something that you can't handle

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any kind of questioning by somebody who is very calm,

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and you said that, that's why you are not running again, that's exactly why you

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shouldn't be in that seat, is because you can't handle the pressure of

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being a public official and being able to talk to your own constituents in a calm

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manner. And it's sad because you didn't like that I,

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I had to put my arm in because it was like, to the point where I wasn't sure

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if there was gonna be some kind of physical altercation, not just verbal.

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and if you can't take a moment and collect and

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compose yourself, then it's concerning to see that you are up in

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a seat that you're gonna make, be making decisions on behalf of people.

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if you can't calmly think about what you're doing, take a step back and say,

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you know what? I'm a public official. I need to maybe calm myself down

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instead of making excuses as to why that was happening, because

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it doesn't reflect well on the board. And it's very scary to

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think about that. You make excuses as opposed to owning your own actions

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and saying, you know what? I, I probably should have been more calm, because

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we can all do that. But if you, if that is, is something that

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you're not capable of, then if you can't run again, you

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may as well resign from being in that seat, because that would show that you're not

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capable of being able to take the pressures of the job.

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you should be the ones calming others down, not people having to come and

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calm you down. And granted, yes, it's a very intense and

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high, uh, energy subject, but your job

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isn't to attack the public and attack your own constituents.

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so I would hope that you can reflect on that and make better

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decisions moving forward, especially tonight that we're about to experience

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the same type of pressures. I would hope that you

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can be calm, collected, and composed, and not use excuses as to

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why you can't do that. And that will show the people why they

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should have trust in you and not prove to them why they shouldn't.

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so, I'm coming to you from a place of love. I'm not coming to you from a place of hate.

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okay? Thank you very much. So, just understand that

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I, ladies and gentlemen, listen, I'm, I'm looking forward

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to spirit of the debate tonight, but I'm gonna tell you something, I'm not gonna, I'm

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not gonna allow the disruptions that you brought last time to be brought again this time.

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this could be a real long night. If, if, if you can't behave, I'll, I'll

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call time outs. We'll go away for a while. We'll come back. If you wanna

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stay here until two or three in the morning, we can do that. Why don't we just act like adults

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and be respectful of all people? Alright.

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uh, we have no written communications and no public hearings on today's agenda.

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we have two administrative reports on today's agenda. Item 10 is the interviews for

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city commissions. We have the incumbents for the personnel commission and the planning

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commission here this afternoon. Gentlemen, each of you have three minutes to share with us. The

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council may ask follow up questions if necessary before we continue. Angela, do we have any

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speaker cards for this item? We do not have any speaker cards. Okay. Who's

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our first applicant? Uh, for the personnel commission, we have mr.

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kurt brower, who's our incumbent.

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mr. Brower, thank

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you for coming today. Thank you, sir. Um, hello mayor.

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uh, city council staff. Um, I'm here this evening, uh, looking

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for reappointment, uh, personnel commission for another four years.

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um, I know, I believe you have my application, I have a copy of it. Also,

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I know that you have a very busy agenda tonight, so I'm willing to make it

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as short as possible, but I'll ask, uh, answer all your questions.

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thank you, mr. Breer. Any questions for mr. Breer? Um, you've

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done a great job. I really appreciate all that you've done. I will make this,

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uh, quick. He's our only applicant. Uh, I'd like to, um,

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I'd like to appoint him to the post. I make that a motion. If somebody would second,

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second, please vote.

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motion carries by unanimous vote. Thanks a lot. And mr. Brown, I wanna thank you

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for serving your community. I, I, there's no pay involved in this and there's

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a lot of hours involved in preparing for your, your meetings and,

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um, it's very selfless and I appreciate what you do for us. Thank

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you, sir, for your comments. I appreciate it. It's been a good experience. Good. I'm glad it has been. Thank

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mayor. The applicant for the planning commission is mr. Darren

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ross. He is not in attendance, but again, he submitted his application

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for reappointment. Okay. And he's our, he's our only

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applicant, right? Yeah. Um, is there any,

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uh, speaker cards for mr. Moroz?

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uh, pardon. Could, could you repeat that please? Any speaker cards in his appointment?

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uh, no speaker cards. Alright. I, since he's our only applicant and darren has

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been a excellent, hardworking member of the planning commission for

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some 15 years now, uh, I'd like to appoint him again.

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I'd like to make that a motion. If second, please vote.

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motion carries by a unanimous vote. Okay.

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um, you're not gonna, you're not gonna give the oath of office?

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no, no, sir. They're incumbents. We don't need to do that again. Fantastic, thank you. The last administrative

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report, item 11 is an update on homeless programs and services. And

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I'd like our ask to ask our staff to tell us about this. Thank you, mr. Mayor, members of the

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council, if we can get the, the presentation up. Um, for the last

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five years, uh, the city has been presenting a semi-annual report about

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where we're at on the homelessness. Uh, all of our different programs. As you know, we run

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many different programs and, uh, uh, yani brito will provide the

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majority of the report, but I just wanted to kind of start out with giving a little bit of preface of, of where

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we're at today. So this report will really, it

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includes data going back several years, but it really focuses on the last six

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months of time. There

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we go. Go to the next slide. Um, but I just, I'm gonna cut to the chase

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and just kind of, uh, tell you the, the data, the data points,

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and then you'll hear them again too. So we just go to the last, just go all the way through this one.

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so, in the last six months, we've served 1600 individuals. Uh,

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we have gotten almost 500 individuals into emergency shelter. A hundred five eighty five

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people into transitional housing or bridge housing, and 61

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individuals permanently off the street into permanent housing. Uh, we're really proud

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of that and we rely on a lot of support, not only our staff, but

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also a lot of individuals, um, in different companies that help us with that.

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even go to the next slide. Um, just for some context, I was at the city manager conferences

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passed, uh, uh, weekend. And, uh,

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I went to a session about homelessness and there was 125 city managers in that room.

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and the question was asked, how many of you, how many of your cities

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experience homelessness? And all 125 hands went up and they said, how

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many cities have figured it all out? And not one hand went

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up and we had the chance to hear from three different cities. We heard from

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sacramento, we heard from long beach, and we heard from whittier. I just wanna share a

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couple kind of high level thoughts. I think they're useful to have that for some perspective.

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the city of long beach spends about $13 million of its

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general fund to combat homelessness. Um,

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if you were to apply a a per capita rate for us, that would be about $3 million

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for the city of el cajon. We do not spend $3 million out of our general fund. We're able to

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leverage a lot of other funds for the programs that we do. I'm really proud of that. Um,

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but one of the things that long beach found is some things that aren't working in

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their community happen to be working in our community. The tiny cabins work really well

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in our community. They've abandoned the tiny cabin solution because it just doesn't

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work in long beach. And so it's, it was a good reminder that there's

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not this one size fits all, that every community is a little bit different and needs

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to be tailored a little bit different. Yet at the same time, there's a real need

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to have some uniform measuring of how, or the metrics of

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how we measure success. We, and we lack that in this county.

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um, and we, we lack that throughout the state of california. It's the reason why we spend billions

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of dollars and see almost zero results. 'cause we're not measuring the appropriate

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way. The second, uh, city that I heard from is from city of whittier.

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they actually adopted a three quarter cent sales tax, um, about

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four years ago. And they allocated about a quarter of that sales

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tax. So about a a quarter or 20.25% of their sales tax

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measure goes specifically to homelessness, about $3 million for

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that community. And they've actually stood up their own homeless shelter. I thought that was kind of interesting,

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which gives them a little bit more authority and control to do some certain things. And then

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the last city was sacramento, as you know, sacramento. If you've been to sacramento, homeless is

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rampant there. They've, they've struggled for years. Um, there's

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been a lot of pointed fingers between them and the county,

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sacramento city and their county are actually working together.

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it's, it's a great model and uh, that's something that

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I envy 'cause we do not get support from the county of san diego. Our

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county has an opportunity to be real leaders in this area and they fail to

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do so. And so we, we will continue to work with them and try to strive

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for some regional planning because we know that if we're all pulling together at the

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same time, we'll be much more successful. So there's a little bit of context. I'm gonna turn

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the time over to yani brito, our senior management analyst, to give a report

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for the last six months and where we're at, and then seek any direction that you'd like us to shift

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in the next six months. Thank you.

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I will go ahead and, um, briefly go over three categories that

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the city is using to address homelessness. Uh, that's going to include

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outreach efforts, housing and shelter and enforcement and encampments. Uh,

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the city, along with service providers conducts street outreach. During

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outreach. Homeless individuals are offered connections to wraparound services. The

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providers include a-c-t-l-c, homestar and crisis house.

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during the last six months, from july to december, 2024,

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a total of a bit over 161,000 was expended.

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and this was using cdbg and plha funding.

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this resulted in being able to contact 625

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individuals out of those 20 were able to move into some sort of housing.

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some of the challenges identified during this process, uh, do include building trust

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with clients over time. This does delay the attempts needed for engagement.

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additionally, some individuals experience mental health and substance abuse. So the outreach workers

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do try and match them with those who, um, do offer that service for them.

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under the housing and shelter category programs include

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reunification, emergency placement, emergency shelter, rapid

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rehousing, and rental assistance. The

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providers for these programs are the salvation army crisis house, e-c-t-l-c,

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homestar and interfaith shelter network. For this category, a total

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of about 192,000 was expended. And this was using

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c-d-b-g-p-l-h-a-a low mod income housing asset funds.

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the results were 498 sheltered individuals and 51

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placed into permanently, um, or 51 were permanently housed.

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some challenges that seem to fall with, uh, with this category

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are different barriers to permanent housing. This includes, but it's not limited to,

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uh, rental history, credit history, or not enough income per household.

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this is where cage ma case management plays a huge role in order to prepare individuals

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to become housing ready. The last

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category is enforcement and encampments for these. Oh

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yeah. And this is including, um, again, enforcement and coordinating

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encampment cleanups. The providers are, uh, city

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department's urban corp, which is a contractor and homestart. The cost

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of this for the last six months was about $105,000, and it includes

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plha and some general fund. This

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resulted in 482 contacts with a total of 25 events

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in the last six months, 55 cleanups and about 419

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tons of debris, uh, removed from the city.

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the challenge we continue to see during these services is transient population, often

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returning to the same areas. So to

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summarize some highlights, uh, from july to december, we have a total expenditure of about

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443,000. Again, this resulted in about 1600,

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served 477 in emergency shelter, 185

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in transitional housing, and 61 in permanent housing. And the funding

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sources are c-d-b-g-p-l-h-a low mod housing asset fund and

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some general fund. As a result of the data provided,

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city, uh, staff recommends that city council continue funding all the active

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homeless services programs, uh, continue seeking new funding opportunities,

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continue support for the east county homeless task force and the

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emergency sleeping cabinets, as well as continue receiving the six month report.

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uh, we do like to thank our program providers for all their hard work.

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this concludes my presentation. Staff is available chance for questions or comments. Thank you.

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thank you very much. Can you speaker cards on

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this, sir? Yes, we have one from truth.

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hi, truth. Hi testing.

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does it sound all? No. Yeah. Okay. Yes,

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I'm speaking again in, in case anyone has an issue with it because

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I have a very important point and that is, I was inspired by graham, so I'm also gonna cut

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to the chase. Very, very transparent breakdowns of the spendings.

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so the city spending on homelessness, I wish every city reported

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like that, especially the city of san diego. And

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the county is also not transparent with our money. They have an $8.5 billion

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budget. And despite what supervisor monica montgomery step has claimed,

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we got pretty much nothing to show for it. Um, so this is the city's

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work. This has nothing to do with the county, and it's just amazing. Can you imagine if

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elon had billions to play with? Like, that could actually make a real difference

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for the entire county? Because I can see el alcohol and services, I'm very familiar with

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crisis house. I won't get into that, but I'm very familiar. I'm grateful for,

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for things that exist like that. And so thank everybody. I thank everybody

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involved for this work that went into a very transparent account. Thank you.

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thank you. No more cards,

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sir. That's it. Alright, we'll bring it back to the council for discussion.

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yes, carrie, a question for the city attorney. We get

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a substantial amount of money from, uh, c community development

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block grant funds. Has that been cut off by the

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federal government? Not to my knowledge. I know that there

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was, uh, a stay issued that, uh, um, one, one or

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more courts have issued stay saying it's, uh, likely unconstitutional. The,

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uh, but, uh, it'll be a temporary order. But for now, I

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think the, the money's continuing to flow. Okay. That, that's good. Because

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we give, uh, east county transitional living center a substantial amount

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of money. In fact, they're between 150 and 200 children. Li

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formerly homeless children living there right now. Uh,

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I was coming out a council meeting one time about 22 years ago,

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and there was a, a mom with her little

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redheaded 10-year-old son who reminded me of my son, who was 10 at the time.

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and we said, you know, what are you doing here? He said, well, you know, my husband,

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we fell through the cracks. You know, my husband's a druggie. He took off,

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and this is where we sleep under the wings of the, uh,

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city council meeting, right about 10 feet outside that door. And

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so, uh, the council, that time, we approved, uh, east county transitional

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living center and has been a spectacular success.

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in fact, I have three of the graduates living at my house right now.

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so that's, uh, you know, one of the bright

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spots. And, uh, it's like a part of it is like a

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church-based bootcamp, which I don't think any of us would like to

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be there. They, they have a facility out in the east county where they run a

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ranch and, you know, raise cattle. And, uh,

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so they, the idea is they get 'em so tired, they don't want any drugs,

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and, and it seems to be working. So, uh,

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I think it's important that we keep, uh,

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supporting them. Thank you. Thanks, gary. Anybody

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else? No, I would just say I, I agree with staff's recommendation.

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continue, uh, everything we're doing. Yeah. Steve,

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uh, for those of you that, that don't know about the tiny cabins, there are six of 'em on the

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property of meridian baptist church out in the eastern part of el cajon.

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they have put through 47 women with a 78% success rate

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into permanent housing. The, this is a four-way partnership between

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the city of el cajon, radium baptist church crisis house, and

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amicus the builder four-way partnership. That's why it works

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at a cost of less than $10,000 per cabin, built by over

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120 volunteers who continue to pour into

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the lives of these women to make sure that, that they have the right tools and

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the, and the support they need to, to get back into a, a better place.

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there have been zero calls for police, zero calls,

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uh, from the neighbor's complaints, zero complaints from the elementary school across

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the street. Why does it work? Screening? They only take women

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who want to get off the street. There are rules. You have to

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meet with a social service counselor approximately once a week.

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and some of these women bring kids with them and they fit, uh,

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a, a woman and her two kids in an eight by 12 space

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inside that cabin. And it works. It can work. It

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doesn't need to be always a thousand person shelter. Sometimes

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you can do them six at a time. Thank you steve. Um,

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michelle and then gary. So I think we need to come up

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with some safe parking. I know the county has safe parking. They have closed it right

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now. Um, when I was doing the, uh, homeless point in time count,

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I've done it for the last few years now. Um, the county did not know that it

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was closed. Joel anderson did not know it was closed, but right now they've got it closed,

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uh, to put in electricity and water so they can put in showers.

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when I did the point in time count this year, we found a lot our

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census track that we were working off. We found a lot of people living in their cars

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and they were going to work. So I think that there's a need for

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people that are just kind of in between. They're not,

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they have a job. They just are trying to get in between,

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you know, trying to save up the money to get into housing because housing is

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an issue. And housing find, being able to afford that apartment,

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uh, afford a room. Rooms are going from anywhere from 1200

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to $1,500 just for an a room. So I think that we

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need to come up with some new ideas. Um, churches, I know that there

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was one church who was interested in doing rv parking, and I think we

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need to look into some new ideas. We've got some great programs already, but

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I'd like the council to maybe look into some, uh, safe parking.

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00:32:15,705 --> 00:32:19,635
uh, if churches are, have the capacity, like our, our tiny homes, they

434
00:32:19,925 --> 00:32:23,805
have the showers, they have, uh, capabilities of feeding

435
00:32:24,005 --> 00:32:27,645
people. If good shepherd ministries wanted to do

436
00:32:28,145 --> 00:32:32,065
rv parking, we need to look into that and get some of these rvs

437
00:32:32,385 --> 00:32:36,365
off the street. Or maybe a truck if someone wants to park their truck or their

438
00:32:36,545 --> 00:32:40,545
car. So this is something I'd like the council to look into. Can, can we, um,

439
00:32:43,265 --> 00:32:47,175
can we check with the county to see a timeline as to when their

440
00:32:47,555 --> 00:32:51,405
safe parking is gonna reopen? Because it sounds like they're doing public improvements.

441
00:32:52,195 --> 00:32:56,105
they're, they're doing public improvements. But the problem is,

442
00:32:56,705 --> 00:33:00,445
is that it, the, the minute that closed down, the homeless moved

443
00:33:00,725 --> 00:33:04,705
back in. Now I contacted the director of homeless solutions, uh, deanna

444
00:33:05,245 --> 00:33:08,685
beck and I was reporting and sending her pictures

445
00:33:09,395 --> 00:33:12,985
like every week they just moved in. They were moving back into the canals

446
00:33:13,405 --> 00:33:17,305
right there. Right. And it's been at least a couple of months, the

447
00:33:17,525 --> 00:33:21,085
county's really slow and revitalizing that safe parking.

448
00:33:21,615 --> 00:33:25,245
could we have staff just check in to see when, when we anticipate

449
00:33:25,805 --> 00:33:29,245
that coming back in? We, we can do that. It's been closed for quite a while. And, and if you look at the cost

450
00:33:30,115 --> 00:33:33,685
that the, the ro the return on investments,

451
00:33:34,285 --> 00:33:38,205
I, I, I question if they're having to bring water and electricity over, if that

452
00:33:38,325 --> 00:33:42,225
makes a lot of sense. Yeah. But, but we'll find out. I mean, that safe parking, you

453
00:33:42,445 --> 00:33:46,165
know, it's only open from 6:00 pm to 6:00 am it seemed like it served a good purpose.

454
00:33:46,505 --> 00:33:50,325
so we'll find out and we'll send a memo to the city council. Gary did .

455
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:54,535
yes. Uh, I wanted to point out that councilman gobel

456
00:33:55,295 --> 00:33:59,165
spent countless hours volunteering to build those

457
00:33:59,515 --> 00:34:03,305
tiny houses with his own two hands. And not

458
00:34:03,525 --> 00:34:05,765
only does he talk the talk, but he walks the walk.

459
00:34:11,265 --> 00:34:14,365
um, my 2 cents on, uh, going forward,

460
00:34:15,445 --> 00:34:18,925
I, I think we're gonna have, have to find a way to work closer with the county.

461
00:34:19,765 --> 00:34:23,325
I, I'd love to find out how the county, how the county is allocating

462
00:34:23,805 --> 00:34:27,485
its resources to homelessness where, where they're spending their money, specifically in regard

463
00:34:27,985 --> 00:34:31,765
to each city, each municipality, you know,

464
00:34:32,285 --> 00:34:36,205
I know we're not getting any money from the county, but our other municipality is getting money from

465
00:34:36,405 --> 00:34:40,265
the county. If so, what's the disparagement? And, uh,

466
00:34:40,665 --> 00:34:44,405
but you know, I, I think that we're gonna have to, um, find a way to sit down

467
00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:48,905
together because this problem is

468
00:34:49,645 --> 00:34:53,465
probably bigger than we can, we can do on our own. Since all the money comes to the county, it

469
00:34:53,685 --> 00:34:57,565
seems like they should have a seat at that table. There is new leadership at

470
00:34:57,765 --> 00:35:01,525
the cao level at the county. There's new leadership at hhsa. There's new leadership

471
00:35:01,985 --> 00:35:05,545
at the, the homeless, uh, department. So maybe there's an opportunity to,

472
00:35:06,425 --> 00:35:10,165
uh, men some fences. Yeah. I have no doubt that joel anderson's office would

473
00:35:10,445 --> 00:35:14,385
be willing to help us in that regard. Yeah. Okay. Two,

474
00:35:14,705 --> 00:35:18,685
two things really quickly is one, there is the county does offer safe parking right now in

475
00:35:18,845 --> 00:35:22,805
spring valley. There's a site in spring valley where there's safe parking and that's good to know. We can help direct

476
00:35:23,165 --> 00:35:26,765
people there. The second thing is, one of the council priorities from your

477
00:35:27,205 --> 00:35:30,785
workshop last month was to beef up the, uh,

478
00:35:31,355 --> 00:35:35,045
dashboard on our city website. Which again, is very transparent,

479
00:35:35,545 --> 00:35:39,385
but it can be better. One of the things that ms. Diaz is doing is actually having all

480
00:35:39,605 --> 00:35:43,605
of her staff that will be involved with the dashboard do ride alongs with the

481
00:35:43,925 --> 00:35:47,925
outreach team. So they're not sitting in an office thinking what they know is

482
00:35:48,125 --> 00:35:52,085
happening. They're actually gonna be on the street. They're going to touch it, feel it, smell it,

483
00:35:52,265 --> 00:35:55,845
all that, and they'll have a better sense of really what will help

484
00:35:56,505 --> 00:36:00,445
our residents know what should be on the dashboard. So I thought I'd share that info with you.

485
00:36:00,875 --> 00:36:04,825
alright, carrie, a question for the city manager. Is the

486
00:36:05,225 --> 00:36:07,265
county still, uh,

487
00:36:09,255 --> 00:36:13,015
collecting homeless people from all around the county, north

488
00:36:13,365 --> 00:36:17,285
county and south county and putting them into el cajon hotels? Yeah, I can

489
00:36:17,405 --> 00:36:21,405
check. Actually, yani, if you go to the next slide. So this, this slide actually

490
00:36:21,485 --> 00:36:25,285
shows, uh, voucher program only offered by ewis. There's,

491
00:36:25,525 --> 00:36:29,115
there are three or four other county voucher programs in the, in this city.

492
00:36:29,985 --> 00:36:33,615
um, this is just equis portion that really de sharp

493
00:36:34,035 --> 00:36:37,725
decline in usage of our motels was when the city council

494
00:36:38,115 --> 00:36:42,045
adopted your policy where we start requiring some accountability. It's interesting, when you

495
00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:46,125
ask for accountability, you get certain results. So you can see there's been a little bit of an

496
00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:50,165
ebb and flow, but there has been a significant drop right now where I think at, uh, last week at

497
00:36:50,605 --> 00:36:54,375
84, um, individuals in motels, um, based

498
00:36:54,785 --> 00:36:58,785
on our data that we've asked for, we still believe that the

499
00:36:59,245 --> 00:37:02,685
majority, uh, not the majority, but a, a a large percentage

500
00:37:03,345 --> 00:37:07,005
are not from the city of el cajon. Um, but there's nothing we can do about that.

501
00:37:07,745 --> 00:37:11,685
but it's good to know that at least why don't you have the, um, data from the other

502
00:37:12,715 --> 00:37:16,405
ngos? Because the county only shares this with us

503
00:37:17,225 --> 00:37:20,905
and we rely on them self-reporting and

504
00:37:21,625 --> 00:37:25,195
to get this level of detail. We don't get that level of detail from them. Okay.

505
00:37:25,755 --> 00:37:29,615
bill. It should be a goal, I think. Yeah. Is the county still

506
00:37:30,025 --> 00:37:33,825
paying double the normal rate for those motel rooms? We

507
00:37:34,045 --> 00:37:38,005
believe that they're paying between a hundred and forty six, a hundred fifty $6 a night,

508
00:37:38,945 --> 00:37:42,725
uh, for a hotel stay. Okay. At, at a rate where most of these

509
00:37:43,025 --> 00:37:45,805
motels are, are going for 80 to $90 a night.

510
00:37:47,355 --> 00:37:51,055
okay. Uh, and are they, I know before we had some child

511
00:37:51,475 --> 00:37:55,245
molesters with that were convicted with the ankle

512
00:37:56,005 --> 00:37:59,565
bracelets and they weren't being vetted and we have a problem with them.

513
00:38:00,805 --> 00:38:04,095
'cause they were, they were in motels that were near elementary

514
00:38:05,045 --> 00:38:08,925
schools and some girls were assaulted. Uh, has, have they

515
00:38:09,085 --> 00:38:12,685
addressed that problem? Your, your policy has addressed that problem because,

516
00:38:13,275 --> 00:38:17,125
because state law gives them a pretty long period of

517
00:38:17,325 --> 00:38:21,205
time before they have to report under your new regulations. They have to report within hours

518
00:38:21,585 --> 00:38:25,565
of being placed in el cajon. So we will know if that's the case. It has not been the case

519
00:38:25,685 --> 00:38:28,205
thus far since the policy went into effect. Thank you.

520
00:38:29,825 --> 00:38:32,745
mr. City manager. Um,

521
00:38:34,665 --> 00:38:38,585
the county motel voucher program, the funding, it was

522
00:38:39,235 --> 00:38:42,885
arpa is it is are have, has the county allocated

523
00:38:43,375 --> 00:38:46,765
funds, um, outside of arpa for voucher programs?

524
00:38:47,395 --> 00:38:50,345
they may be still using some arpa funds or some residual, um,

525
00:38:51,935 --> 00:38:55,915
covid money. Okay. Uh, I, at some point that will dry up, like ours

526
00:38:56,205 --> 00:39:00,165
is dried up, so I'm not quite sure how they're gonna fund this program after. Oh, so they you not to

527
00:39:00,325 --> 00:39:03,325
your knowledge that they've don't know how they're gonna continue to fund it. Got it. Thank you.

528
00:39:04,835 --> 00:39:08,465
okay. Anybody else? Alright, thanks. Do you have enough direction? That's

529
00:39:08,885 --> 00:39:10,565
very helpful. Thank you so much. Well, thank you.

530
00:39:13,475 --> 00:39:15,965
okay. There are no commission reports on today's agenda.

531
00:39:20,595 --> 00:39:23,325
item 12 is my activity report, which is as reported.

532
00:39:24,785 --> 00:39:28,785
and then where activities reports for council members. Gobel, uh,

533
00:39:29,025 --> 00:39:32,825
as reported with one comment about an mts meeting, executive meeting, uh,

534
00:39:33,045 --> 00:39:36,845
last week, the mts is facing a hundred million dollars budget

535
00:39:37,315 --> 00:39:40,835
shortfall to make up even if they discontinue

536
00:39:41,625 --> 00:39:45,485
the entire trolley system, but it'll only save half of that. So there is no

537
00:39:45,895 --> 00:39:49,845
discussion of discontinuing the trolley. I'm just giving you a sense of how

538
00:39:50,005 --> 00:39:53,565
big the problem is. There were two, uh, items

539
00:39:54,235 --> 00:39:58,085
that were put forth on the staff recommendation. One was an operational analysis

540
00:39:58,325 --> 00:40:02,325
of all the buses and the trolleys that rind and how many people are on the buses

541
00:40:02,665 --> 00:40:06,485
and things like that. See if there's any efficiency. The other was a

542
00:40:06,675 --> 00:40:10,445
potential sales tax coming in next year of a half a

543
00:40:10,685 --> 00:40:14,305
cent, uh, to, to take over that, uh,

544
00:40:14,865 --> 00:40:18,425
my comment was I would like to see a third option and that is,

545
00:40:19,005 --> 00:40:22,725
I think the public would expect a shared participation of everybody

546
00:40:23,585 --> 00:40:27,585
in trying to close that gap. And so I put on the,

547
00:40:27,905 --> 00:40:31,585
um, agenda a fair increase for those riding

548
00:40:32,025 --> 00:40:35,825
the bus and trolley because that seems fair, no pun intended, uh,

549
00:40:36,235 --> 00:40:40,085
that everyone should participate in the solution. That would take

550
00:40:40,305 --> 00:40:44,185
one year to do that would be done by sandag. And those three items will be voted on

551
00:40:44,405 --> 00:40:48,355
at the mts board meeting this thursday. Thank you. Okay.

552
00:40:48,655 --> 00:40:52,465
thank you steve. Um, mr. Kendrick? Okay. Uh,

553
00:40:53,865 --> 00:40:57,655
I'd like to add that I went to a metro, uh, joint

554
00:40:58,145 --> 00:41:01,405
powers agreement meeting last thursday.

555
00:41:03,105 --> 00:41:07,065
mr. Ortiz, uh, as reported ms. Mitchell as

556
00:41:07,525 --> 00:41:09,125
reported. Okay. Then

557
00:41:14,815 --> 00:41:18,805
there is one joint council member report on today's agenda is from council member gobel and

558
00:41:19,065 --> 00:41:22,965
myself. This is what we're all here for tonight. This I, since I'm the one who

559
00:41:23,085 --> 00:41:27,005
brought it last time, I'm gonna get, leave it to, uh, mr. Gobel to

560
00:41:27,205 --> 00:41:31,205
explain and we'll go from there. Thank you, mr. Mayor. The

561
00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:34,685
day after the last meeting, uh, we had three resolutions before us

562
00:41:35,585 --> 00:41:39,445
and none of the three got passed, but I think the entire council agreed

563
00:41:39,845 --> 00:41:43,155
on at least, at least two things. Number one, we're not a sanctuary city.

564
00:41:44,025 --> 00:41:48,005
and number two, we would not block, obstruct, hinder, otherwise interfere with the federal government

565
00:41:48,665 --> 00:41:52,315
coming into remove violent criminals from our city.

566
00:41:52,825 --> 00:41:56,625
so I think we were really close. Uh, we just kind of ran out

567
00:41:56,845 --> 00:42:00,625
of time. And so the next day I reached out to the mayor. I said, uh,

568
00:42:01,365 --> 00:42:05,245
I think we can find a common ground for all of us. And my particular

569
00:42:05,715 --> 00:42:09,525
concern was once we started talking about police officers, then I said, well,

570
00:42:10,565 --> 00:42:14,435
I want indemnification or protection or defense from

571
00:42:14,725 --> 00:42:18,485
the federal government for our police officers if they're doing something

572
00:42:18,945 --> 00:42:22,765
lawful in the course of their duties. I'll talk about that situation

573
00:42:22,985 --> 00:42:26,445
in a little bit. Uh, my position on this issue has not changed.

574
00:42:27,345 --> 00:42:31,185
it is still about public safety for me, the city of el cajon is

575
00:42:31,405 --> 00:42:35,365
not a sanctuary, never has been. And I will continue to fight

576
00:42:35,565 --> 00:42:39,485
to make sure that we are never a sanctuary city. I

577
00:42:39,605 --> 00:42:43,325
support president trump's position to enforce federal immigration law to red our city

578
00:42:43,865 --> 00:42:47,385
of the most serious and violent criminals living

579
00:42:47,875 --> 00:42:51,565
here illegally. I welcome tom holman trump's borders

580
00:42:51,965 --> 00:42:55,925
are to do this. And speaking of mr. Holman, I recently had the opportunity

581
00:42:56,465 --> 00:43:00,445
to meet with him in mid-november. Her friends said to

582
00:43:00,565 --> 00:43:04,535
meet, tom and I worked together here in the city of el cajon in the early nineties, and we're

583
00:43:04,885 --> 00:43:08,845
still in touch. Would you like to meet him? I said, of course, I'd like to hear what he has to

584
00:43:09,045 --> 00:43:12,885
say, but we should invite the mayor as well. And so that's what I did. I invited

585
00:43:13,205 --> 00:43:17,165
mayor wells to that meeting a few days before christmas. We all

586
00:43:17,345 --> 00:43:20,545
met and we listened to tom's plan to get 647,000

587
00:43:22,045 --> 00:43:25,925
people living illegally in the city who had been convicted or wanted for serious

588
00:43:26,265 --> 00:43:30,085
and violent crimes. He also talked about the urgency to find

589
00:43:30,325 --> 00:43:34,325
300,000 missing minors. The mayor and I

590
00:43:34,445 --> 00:43:38,025
both told him we are not a sanctuary city and

591
00:43:38,485 --> 00:43:41,795
welcomed him to come get the violent criminals out of our city

592
00:43:42,625 --> 00:43:46,565
and we wouldn't be satisfied until they're all gone. I can assure

593
00:43:46,885 --> 00:43:50,745
you mr. Holman is committed to making our city safe from the criminal aliens

594
00:43:51,585 --> 00:43:55,505
who are harmful to our residents. Further, I welcome any and

595
00:43:55,785 --> 00:43:59,435
all law enforcement agencies who will remove violent

596
00:44:00,365 --> 00:44:04,325
criminals from our city. At the same time, I

597
00:44:04,445 --> 00:44:08,365
believe our officers are not, cannot and should not be immigration

598
00:44:08,925 --> 00:44:12,405
agents today when you call for help, our police officers

599
00:44:13,015 --> 00:44:17,005
don't ask any one of their citizenship status. They won't even know in their systems

600
00:44:18,335 --> 00:44:22,305
their job is to serve and protect. In

601
00:44:22,525 --> 00:44:26,125
the meeting with tom harmon, even he said he doesn't want local

602
00:44:26,545 --> 00:44:28,845
law enforcement to do immigration enforcement.

603
00:44:30,825 --> 00:44:34,515
the resolution which the mayor and I reached a, an agreement on before estates,

604
00:44:35,675 --> 00:44:39,505
well, actually let's say that 'cause we'll go through the resolution shortly. Uh,

605
00:44:39,805 --> 00:44:43,435
I believe working with ice border patrol or any other agency involving enforcement

606
00:44:44,125 --> 00:44:48,045
of federal immigration law should be for the sole purpose of removing violent

607
00:44:48,925 --> 00:44:52,565
criminals. Now, at the same time, we need to change sb 54

608
00:44:53,745 --> 00:44:57,715
to allow our police the option to contact ice when

609
00:44:58,005 --> 00:45:01,985
there is a known convicted criminal living

610
00:45:02,425 --> 00:45:06,085
in our city or country. Illegally. I believe that legislation is important

611
00:45:06,585 --> 00:45:10,325
and in development. I also recognize there's a

612
00:45:10,605 --> 00:45:13,605
conflict between federal and california law as b 54 on this issue,

613
00:45:14,925 --> 00:45:18,885
I and my colleagues do not have the ability to resolve this conflict. And I

614
00:45:19,005 --> 00:45:22,885
don't want this conflict to boil over and punish our police officers in any

615
00:45:23,085 --> 00:45:26,925
way. That's why I offered an amendment to the resolution before

616
00:45:27,285 --> 00:45:31,205
us to quote, seek assistance from the united states attorney general's

617
00:45:31,765 --> 00:45:35,725
office to indemnify or defend our city and its employees for

618
00:45:35,925 --> 00:45:39,745
any assistance or cooperation with federal integration authorities as

619
00:45:39,965 --> 00:45:43,405
permitted by law, we need to send a strong message,

620
00:45:44,095 --> 00:45:47,175
especially to our police officers that we have their backs.

621
00:45:48,705 --> 00:45:52,285
the amended resolution adding to seek protection for our employees when acting

622
00:45:52,765 --> 00:45:56,125
lawfully in the course of their duties is for the sole purpose

623
00:45:57,025 --> 00:46:00,945
of getting rid of serious and violent criminals and to protect the

624
00:46:01,165 --> 00:46:05,035
people in the city of el cajon. So let's take a look at this

625
00:46:05,765 --> 00:46:09,765
resolution we're talking about today. You can see the title here. I

626
00:46:09,885 --> 00:46:13,515
won't read the whole thing. Let's go on to the next point. Resolve

627
00:46:14,005 --> 00:46:17,945
that the city declares its intent to comply with the enforcement of federal immigration law

628
00:46:18,165 --> 00:46:22,085
to the legal extent permissible, which means according to the

629
00:46:22,285 --> 00:46:25,945
current law for the sole purpose, the only purpose of

630
00:46:26,365 --> 00:46:30,225
removing those that have committed violent criminal offenses as defined by

631
00:46:30,445 --> 00:46:34,045
california penal code, et cetera. Number two, resolved.

632
00:46:34,945 --> 00:46:38,945
we declare we are not a sanctuary city. We will not obstruct, impede,

633
00:46:39,365 --> 00:46:43,345
interfere, or otherwise block any federal law enforcement agency from its

634
00:46:43,565 --> 00:46:47,405
duties. Number three, that we'll seek assistance from the

635
00:46:47,685 --> 00:46:50,805
attorney general's office to indemnify the city and its employees for any assistance

636
00:46:52,025 --> 00:46:56,005
as permitted by law. Number four, that we remain steadfast in

637
00:46:56,165 --> 00:46:59,285
our commitment to protecting the safety and wellbeing of our residents, particularly

638
00:47:00,175 --> 00:47:04,005
those most vulnerable to criminal activities such as human trafficking and drug

639
00:47:04,605 --> 00:47:08,465
distribution. Number five, that we will continue to comply with all

640
00:47:08,685 --> 00:47:12,485
federal and state laws recognizing there are conflicts between federal

641
00:47:12,745 --> 00:47:16,525
and state laws. Number six, we recognize the importance of meeting,

642
00:47:17,285 --> 00:47:21,285
maintaining trust within the community. And we are reaffirm our commitment to treating

643
00:47:21,505 --> 00:47:24,925
all residents with dignity and respect regardless of integration status.

644
00:47:26,065 --> 00:47:29,245
number seven, we will continue to request additional clarification

645
00:47:30,085 --> 00:47:32,665
and guidance from both the us and california ag.

646
00:47:34,265 --> 00:47:38,205
and number eight, uh, the city clerk is elected to send a

647
00:47:38,325 --> 00:47:42,125
copy of this to the people listed. This is essentially the same

648
00:47:42,525 --> 00:47:46,325
resolution, but with my desire to add protection for, for our police officers

649
00:47:47,425 --> 00:47:51,165
if they're going to provide any assistance. Let me give you an example.

650
00:47:53,625 --> 00:47:56,725
if somebody runs the border patrol checkpoint in pine valley

651
00:47:57,985 --> 00:48:01,965
and the border patrol begins a chase and that chase comes down into

652
00:48:02,225 --> 00:48:05,965
el cajon, if that person gets onto our city street,

653
00:48:07,385 --> 00:48:10,975
we are not allowed to join that chase. That is an immigration issue.

654
00:48:12,035 --> 00:48:15,845
however, if that person runs a red light

655
00:48:18,325 --> 00:48:22,145
speeds or does some other violation of california law, we may

656
00:48:22,345 --> 00:48:25,515
join the chase. So at that point,

657
00:48:26,485 --> 00:48:30,305
if we pull over the car and if we hand over that person

658
00:48:30,565 --> 00:48:34,525
to ice, we did so lawfully because we

659
00:48:34,745 --> 00:48:38,065
pulled that pull person over for running a red light and speeding.

660
00:48:38,805 --> 00:48:42,455
we did not pull that per pull. We did not pull that person over

661
00:48:43,325 --> 00:48:47,025
for violating immigration law. If anyone to

662
00:48:47,335 --> 00:48:51,185
were to come after our police officers and say you violated

663
00:48:52,045 --> 00:48:55,885
law by assisting ice or border patrol in this example, that's

664
00:48:56,305 --> 00:49:00,105
not true. We pulled that person over because they ran a red light and they

665
00:49:00,455 --> 00:49:03,785
sped in our city. We need to protect our officers.

666
00:49:04,685 --> 00:49:08,665
we can't make them second guess what they do to keep

667
00:49:08,825 --> 00:49:12,705
us safe. That's the resolution before us. I think

668
00:49:13,125 --> 00:49:17,105
we have come to a, uh, a reasonable, uh, concern

669
00:49:17,505 --> 00:49:21,205
about use protection, compliance with existing law.

670
00:49:22,005 --> 00:49:25,945
and I think, uh, I'd be interested to hear what my colleagues have to say and then

671
00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:30,025
the public, um, you know

672
00:49:30,145 --> 00:49:33,935
what I, what I'm gonna do at this point because

673
00:49:34,545 --> 00:49:38,385
I think when we discuss all this, we're gonna want to discuss the things that the public

674
00:49:38,925 --> 00:49:42,725
has to say about it. So rather than do this twice, I'm going to do

675
00:49:42,945 --> 00:49:46,545
public comment when that's all finished, we will have discussion here. Everybody

676
00:49:46,975 --> 00:49:50,825
okay with that? Yeah. Oh, okay. Great. So we're gonna go to public comment before we

677
00:49:50,985 --> 00:49:54,065
start. Um, I'm gonna limit public comment to two minutes.

678
00:49:55,185 --> 00:49:59,185
I I want you to know that I was under a lot of pressure to limit public comment to one

679
00:49:59,385 --> 00:50:02,585
minute, but I have problems with that. The, I I think the first amendment

680
00:50:03,635 --> 00:50:07,425
gives us everybody the opportunity to speak. And we may be here a long time tonight,

681
00:50:07,805 --> 00:50:11,285
but, but that's okay. So I think two minutes is a good compromise. Um,

682
00:50:11,965 --> 00:50:15,745
I'm hoping everybody will be respectful of everybody else and we can just move through

683
00:50:15,985 --> 00:50:19,565
this and get to the end and come to a conclusion. Um,

684
00:50:20,085 --> 00:50:23,955
having said that, let's start with public comment. Thank

685
00:50:24,305 --> 00:50:28,185
you, sir. We have 46 speakers and as we did last time, we

686
00:50:28,405 --> 00:50:32,365
will call people in in three. When we call your name, if you can please

687
00:50:32,655 --> 00:50:36,525
stand down the middle aisle and be ready to speak so it can move

688
00:50:36,925 --> 00:50:40,655
a little bit quicker. The first three speakers are larry

689
00:50:41,315 --> 00:50:45,235
olds, nicole bacca, and melissa ortiz baldwin.

690
00:50:48,895 --> 00:50:51,205
hello, sir. Welcome. Good afternoon.

691
00:50:54,305 --> 00:50:57,565
sb 54 is the fly in the ointment for I think all of us,

692
00:50:58,345 --> 00:51:02,005
and it's been discussed and talked about and written about. And I found a passage on the

693
00:51:02,365 --> 00:51:06,305
internet that I thought was particularly good. And

694
00:51:06,555 --> 00:51:10,405
what it says is, federal law is unambiguous in its supremacy

695
00:51:10,915 --> 00:51:14,845
over immigration matters. Under the supremacy clause of

696
00:51:15,005 --> 00:51:18,845
the constitution, federal law takes precedence over conflicting states

697
00:51:19,585 --> 00:51:22,965
and locale local policies. The immigration

698
00:51:23,625 --> 00:51:27,555
and nationality act grants the federal government exclusive authority over

699
00:51:27,845 --> 00:51:31,085
immigration enforcement and congress has determined

700
00:51:31,995 --> 00:51:35,805
that cooperation between law, uh, local law enforcement and

701
00:51:36,005 --> 00:51:39,885
federal immigration authorities is essential. Statutes

702
00:51:40,915 --> 00:51:44,525
such as eight usc 1373 explicitly

703
00:51:45,405 --> 00:51:49,365
prohibit state and local governments from enacting policies

704
00:51:50,155 --> 00:51:53,555
that reflect, uh, that restrict communications with federal

705
00:51:54,355 --> 00:51:58,005
immigration agencies. Did you hear what I said?

706
00:51:59,565 --> 00:52:02,645
statutes such as eight usc 1373

707
00:52:04,045 --> 00:52:07,845
explicitly prohibit states and local governments from enacting policies

708
00:52:08,515 --> 00:52:11,525
that restrict communications with federal and immigration

709
00:52:12,685 --> 00:52:16,625
agencies. This status ensures that local officials cannot block or impede

710
00:52:17,045 --> 00:52:20,115
the flow of critical information needed to enforce federal immigration.

711
00:52:21,525 --> 00:52:25,215
moreover, the refusal of the to honor ice detainers undermines

712
00:52:25,885 --> 00:52:29,485
the public safety rationale underlying immigration

713
00:52:30,005 --> 00:52:33,965
enforcement detainers are issued against individuals who have been arrested

714
00:52:34,085 --> 00:52:38,005
for violating state or local laws, meaning these are individuals

715
00:52:38,605 --> 00:52:42,365
already found to pose a threat to the community by refusing

716
00:52:42,625 --> 00:52:46,085
to comply with ice detainer, sanctuary jurisdictions actively

717
00:52:46,885 --> 00:52:50,885
shield criminal aliens from de deportation allowing them to be released

718
00:52:51,005 --> 00:52:55,005
back into the communities. I'm running out of time. Yeah. Thank you,

719
00:52:55,085 --> 00:52:58,885
sir. I appreciate it. But thank you. But I, I'm, I'm, I do like what,

720
00:52:59,395 --> 00:53:03,395
what you're doing there. If you live up to that, I am much better with

721
00:53:03,715 --> 00:53:05,285
your decision. Thank you, sir.

722
00:53:09,795 --> 00:53:13,265
well, welcome. Hi. Can I pull that down? Yeah. Hi.

723
00:53:14,075 --> 00:53:17,985
good afternoon. I urge you to reject this proposal. My

724
00:53:18,205 --> 00:53:21,885
name's nicole and I spoke at the last city council meeting, and I'm also a lifelong

725
00:53:22,325 --> 00:53:26,055
resident of el cajon. Much like everyone here today, I feel strongly about

726
00:53:26,405 --> 00:53:30,285
this resolution put in front of us. I'm opposed to this not because

727
00:53:30,585 --> 00:53:34,365
I'm opposed to law and consequence, but I'm opposed to it because immigration

728
00:53:34,985 --> 00:53:38,605
is not the job of the elcon police department. Remove politics

729
00:53:39,165 --> 00:53:42,325
from this for a second. What is the job of local law enforcement

730
00:53:43,265 --> 00:53:46,965
to police the community and be a responsible and trusted entity in society?

731
00:53:47,875 --> 00:53:51,645
this resolution does not accomplish that. Furthermore, our primary

732
00:53:52,055 --> 00:53:56,045
crime issues in el cajon are related to homelessness and drugs, which this

733
00:53:56,485 --> 00:54:00,445
resolution does not address to the naked eye. Immigration is not the cause of

734
00:54:00,605 --> 00:54:04,315
those problems, hence, the reason I feel the way that I do this

735
00:54:04,845 --> 00:54:08,045
resolution, in my opinion, is a misuse of our already limited resources.

736
00:54:09,085 --> 00:54:12,925
I understand that there are different political leanings on this, and no amount of time

737
00:54:13,225 --> 00:54:17,185
or number of speeches are going to change the way that people feel. So

738
00:54:17,405 --> 00:54:21,195
that tells us that there might be value in understanding perspective. This

739
00:54:21,685 --> 00:54:25,125
resolution does not accomplish building community trust or tackle our primary

740
00:54:26,205 --> 00:54:30,125
policing concerns. After the last city council meeting, mayor wells said that our

741
00:54:30,325 --> 00:54:34,285
community was less safe as a result of it not passing. But what

742
00:54:34,485 --> 00:54:38,205
has changed in the last two weeks? Nothing. So if nothing has changed,

743
00:54:39,265 --> 00:54:42,805
how did things become more dangerous for the residents of el cajon?

744
00:54:43,625 --> 00:54:47,525
go on whatever social media you choose, and there's video documentation in real

745
00:54:47,795 --> 00:54:51,605
time of these kinds of policies going awry, we have to ask ourselves,

746
00:54:52,185 --> 00:54:56,085
who does this resolution benefit the community by removing the father

747
00:54:56,545 --> 00:55:00,205
of visiting his five-year-old daughter in their home,

748
00:55:01,185 --> 00:55:05,055
or bill wells, who has tv cameras here today who can get his sound bites

749
00:55:05,405 --> 00:55:09,225
in to go on newsmax or kusi later today? It

750
00:55:09,445 --> 00:55:13,175
is a waste of time and a waste of our resources. I urge you to vote no thank

751
00:55:13,525 --> 00:55:17,205
you. Please prioritize policies that foster safety and trust

752
00:55:18,105 --> 00:55:20,365
rather than division and fear. Thank you.

753
00:55:25,335 --> 00:55:29,305
after ms. Ortiz, uh, we have mayors ryan, ms.

754
00:55:29,525 --> 00:55:32,665
strange, and mary maureen braham.

755
00:55:35,585 --> 00:55:39,205
uh, good afternoon. My name's melissa ortiz baldwin, no relation to phil.

756
00:55:40,225 --> 00:55:43,905
um, first this resolution continues the fear mon

757
00:55:44,445 --> 00:55:48,205
monering tactics to persuade the public to allow police collaboration with

758
00:55:48,465 --> 00:55:52,285
ice. Uh, the resolution on page one of the resolution

759
00:55:53,185 --> 00:55:55,545
states our claims there are over 647,000

760
00:55:57,505 --> 00:56:00,925
non undocumented individuals convicted of violent crimes.

761
00:56:02,075 --> 00:56:05,925
this is false according to the counsel's own exhibit, specifically

762
00:56:06,405 --> 00:56:09,765
a letter from ice pages seven and nine of the resolution.

763
00:56:10,665 --> 00:56:14,325
the actual number of un violent criminals

764
00:56:15,225 --> 00:56:18,935
is 271,917 nationwide.

765
00:56:20,185 --> 00:56:24,165
the resolution, however, falsely implies that this number is more than twice

766
00:56:24,545 --> 00:56:27,885
as high. My second issue with this

767
00:56:28,785 --> 00:56:32,405
is that it seeks to bypass state government oversight, censure, and potential

768
00:56:32,885 --> 00:56:36,255
repercussions by appealing to trump and his allies for federal protection.

769
00:56:37,435 --> 00:56:41,325
this is page two, item three of the resolution. This sets a dangerous

770
00:56:41,525 --> 00:56:44,975
precedent and appears to be a political move by bill wells

771
00:56:45,625 --> 00:56:49,345
to align with the trump administration. Something he himself admitted to

772
00:56:49,865 --> 00:56:53,865
at the last council meeting when he stated his intent to plant a flag for

773
00:56:54,085 --> 00:56:57,965
trump. Now, there was a person earlier this said that

774
00:56:58,125 --> 00:57:01,835
she was speaking out of a place of love as she proceeded to excoriate.

775
00:57:02,755 --> 00:57:06,725
council member mitchell speaking, passionate about something

776
00:57:07,005 --> 00:57:10,735
important to you and your constituents is actually proof that you care about

777
00:57:11,275 --> 00:57:13,345
your constituents. Please,

778
00:57:15,665 --> 00:57:19,605
please, council member michelle, do not let people who don't

779
00:57:19,925 --> 00:57:21,985
like where you stand just like you.

780
00:57:31,295 --> 00:57:34,685
hello everybody. I'm gonna just go ahead and echo as she just said, because

781
00:57:35,315 --> 00:57:39,205
this morning steve gobel, you got an email from patricia monon from

782
00:57:39,485 --> 00:57:43,245
the alliance san diego for immigration. And she also agrees that those numbers

783
00:57:43,745 --> 00:57:47,465
are wrong. So I urge you to look at that email. She's urging you to vote no.

784
00:57:48,025 --> 00:57:51,565
but I also wanna point out that on thursday, january 31st, two days after

785
00:57:52,275 --> 00:57:56,265
this proposition was struck down on the corner of gustavo and hamshaw, we

786
00:57:56,485 --> 00:57:59,965
got our first report at 7:20 am of a checkpoint in which

787
00:58:00,525 --> 00:58:04,465
a resident was asked for his, uh, driver's license and

788
00:58:04,745 --> 00:58:08,665
for his registration like normal. Once it was handed over to him, he

789
00:58:08,885 --> 00:58:12,245
was then asked for his legal status. Guess the color of his skin? Everybody.

790
00:58:13,385 --> 00:58:17,265
it was brown. When he, uh, invoked his right to

791
00:58:17,595 --> 00:58:21,565
decline to answer, that officer threw the, uh, license

792
00:58:22,185 --> 00:58:26,145
and registration back at his chest and told him to go.

793
00:58:26,915 --> 00:58:30,685
okay, so now let's get to it. Okay, because let's get to number three

794
00:58:31,595 --> 00:58:35,525
because I'm here to challenge you on line number three of this

795
00:58:35,765 --> 00:58:39,115
proposition. Specifically the word indemnify. Okay.

796
00:58:39,795 --> 00:58:43,535
this council didn't choose that word by accident. Indemnify means

797
00:58:43,945 --> 00:58:47,415
to shield from liability to preemptively excuse wrongdoing.

798
00:58:48,435 --> 00:58:52,345
instead, this word serves as a free pass for

799
00:58:52,705 --> 00:58:56,565
law enforcement or city officials who violate sb 54.

800
00:58:57,785 --> 00:59:01,425
you cannot claim neutrality on this issue either

801
00:59:02,305 --> 00:59:05,885
you stand with your community, your neighbors, your constituents,

802
00:59:07,985 --> 00:59:11,895
or you stand against us. If this council truly

803
00:59:12,245 --> 00:59:16,085
believes in fairness and the rule of law, then I demand that you provide a clear

804
00:59:16,285 --> 00:59:19,765
margin of protection for the people with no violent record

805
00:59:20,385 --> 00:59:24,235
in this proposition at all costs. Amended last part

806
00:59:24,525 --> 00:59:28,505
of line number three. Instead of the vague phrase permitted by law,

807
00:59:29,025 --> 00:59:32,685
it must explicitly state compliance with the california penal code

808
00:59:33,035 --> 00:59:36,565
already referenced in this proposition. That is all I have to say. Thanks steve.

809
00:59:45,495 --> 00:59:48,665
could could you please state your name? Oh, I will. Yes.

810
00:59:49,675 --> 00:59:53,545
good afternoon. My name is mayors ryan. I appreciate this opportunity to

811
00:59:53,765 --> 00:59:57,765
speak with this council. Um, I am asking this council

812
00:59:58,145 --> 01:00:02,125
to vote no on this resolution. I've been a teacher at the college and middle school

813
01:00:02,695 --> 01:00:06,565
level for 20 years, and I am presently teaching in

814
01:00:06,765 --> 01:00:10,445
el cajon. During all of this time, I have taught students of all colors.

815
01:00:11,805 --> 01:00:15,685
I have a stake in el cajon issues as well. I owned a home

816
01:00:15,905 --> 01:00:19,605
for 35 years up in crest. All three of my

817
01:00:19,925 --> 01:00:23,545
children went to granite hills and three of my grandchildren attend

818
01:00:24,095 --> 01:00:28,025
local schools here. My son and daughter live and work here as

819
01:00:28,245 --> 01:00:31,455
well. So I understand being protective

820
01:00:32,345 --> 01:00:35,045
of where your loved ones live and attend school.

821
01:00:36,425 --> 01:00:40,205
and I can see that you might project that this resolution

822
01:00:40,565 --> 01:00:44,055
will keep you safer. But what I do not understand

823
01:00:45,185 --> 01:00:49,035
is the hate and the disinformation associated with

824
01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:53,285
dumping all of the responsibility for all of the city's

825
01:00:53,685 --> 01:00:57,675
crime on a group of people because of the color of their skin.

826
01:00:58,675 --> 01:01:02,175
like mr. Gobel and mr. Kendrick have both said today,

827
01:01:03,195 --> 01:01:06,995
this council is here to protect all kids. Please vote

828
01:01:07,385 --> 01:01:08,365
no on this resolution.

829
01:01:19,005 --> 01:01:22,995
taxpayers oversight for parents and students want to inform you that

830
01:01:23,335 --> 01:01:27,145
since the last time we were here, the lake and riley act passed

831
01:01:27,985 --> 01:01:31,845
the very next day. Steve, you got almost

832
01:01:32,245 --> 01:01:36,085
a million views on libs of tiktok. The headlines read, and I quote,

833
01:01:36,945 --> 01:01:40,725
el cajon wants their city to be overrun by criminal

834
01:01:40,975 --> 01:01:44,685
immigrants. The laken act mandates

835
01:01:45,385 --> 01:01:49,205
the federal detention of illegal immigrants who are accused

836
01:01:49,625 --> 01:01:52,965
of theft, burglary, assault, law enforcement officers,

837
01:01:53,665 --> 01:01:57,345
and any crime that causes death or serious bodily

838
01:01:57,785 --> 01:02:01,415
injury, of course we must welcome immigrants.

839
01:02:02,385 --> 01:02:06,005
but since the cartels have taken over by trafficking fentanyl

840
01:02:06,465 --> 01:02:09,645
and tens of thousands of women and children,

841
01:02:10,505 --> 01:02:14,275
you'll have more homeless and death if you don't pass this

842
01:02:14,845 --> 01:02:18,025
resolution. Did I mention you'll lose your federal funding too?

843
01:02:19,965 --> 01:02:23,435
I sincerely hope you can reform arc immigration laws

844
01:02:24,145 --> 01:02:28,005
to expedite processing qualified individuals because

845
01:02:28,385 --> 01:02:31,965
we do need legal immigration for their safety

846
01:02:32,745 --> 01:02:36,725
as well as ours. I love immigrants. They're two of them in my

847
01:02:37,165 --> 01:02:40,985
family. I'm married to one my sister-in-law. We need immigrants, but

848
01:02:41,205 --> 01:02:44,035
it took them five years to get naturalized

849
01:02:45,325 --> 01:02:49,285
citizens. I think we can do better. Thank you. An advance board for being

850
01:02:49,445 --> 01:02:52,805
here today and passing this common sense resolution. Thank you

851
01:02:58,305 --> 01:03:01,685
ara. Dr. Joanna rose, uh, bermuda

852
01:03:03,545 --> 01:03:07,415
and adriana hassel right

853
01:03:07,765 --> 01:03:11,505
now. Any, any order, just state your name please. Okay. Hi. I am dr. Joanna

854
01:03:11,925 --> 01:03:15,315
rose bez. Here again, how to schedule nine

855
01:03:15,965 --> 01:03:19,965
patients rescheduled. Nine patients in my clinic. Sp 54

856
01:03:20,685 --> 01:03:24,195
prohibits local police from working with ice, except in some circumstances passing

857
01:03:24,845 --> 01:03:28,405
a resolution not identical to s sp 54 to cooperate with ice violates

858
01:03:28,965 --> 01:03:32,925
this law courts ruled that holding someone on a ice detainer without proper

859
01:03:33,205 --> 01:03:37,165
legal authority violates the fourth amendment. The police department risk lawsuits

860
01:03:37,725 --> 01:03:41,405
if they cooperate with ice with no judicial warrant. Cities that ignore immigration

861
01:03:41,885 --> 01:03:45,525
laws will face legal action from the state. The california attorney general's

862
01:03:46,085 --> 01:03:49,845
office has stated they're monitoring compliance and will take action against

863
01:03:50,425 --> 01:03:53,965
non-compliance deportations. Take members from your local workforce,

864
01:03:54,735 --> 01:03:58,565
which will tank your town's economy. This means a higher

865
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:02,325
cost of living in el cajon. Your town will face

866
01:04:02,865 --> 01:04:06,615
costly lawsuits as the police work with ice in violation of state law. California

867
01:04:07,355 --> 01:04:10,915
will withhold funding from this town due to non-compliance. Cooperating

868
01:04:11,605 --> 01:04:15,155
with ice will strain local ems resulting in public safety risk.

869
01:04:15,695 --> 01:04:19,365
since what you're doing is highly unethical and legally questionable.

870
01:04:20,085 --> 01:04:23,805
I have reported you to the san diego county da, the san diego or the state

871
01:04:24,205 --> 01:04:28,165
attorney general. The state auditor, the department of justice, and to congresswoman sara jacobs

872
01:04:29,185 --> 01:04:33,125
who was unaware that you are trying to pass this again, another history lesson

873
01:04:33,545 --> 01:04:37,525
for you. California used to be mexico. Those of us who are mexican

874
01:04:37,955 --> 01:04:41,925
have indigenous blood. Okay? Our connection to

875
01:04:42,045 --> 01:04:45,675
this land isn't just historical, it's ancestral. And we're not talking about borders

876
01:04:46,165 --> 01:04:50,165
drawn on math. So talking about birthrights and I challenge you look down

877
01:04:50,505 --> 01:04:53,875
at where your feet rest. This is indigenous land.

878
01:04:54,665 --> 01:04:58,335
it has always been, and it's time. We all recognize that undeniable

879
01:04:59,005 --> 01:05:02,395
truth. And I heard the voicemails you got steve, I know you were chastised,

880
01:05:03,245 --> 01:05:07,165
threatened and harassed. And I'm sorry, I'm very sorry that happened to you 'cause I

881
01:05:07,285 --> 01:05:11,245
know you probably have kids and you're probably scared. And I'm sorry. And that's all I

882
01:05:11,365 --> 01:05:11,645
have to say.

883
01:05:20,745 --> 01:05:24,715
the next, the next three speakers, and if you could please, once you hear your name, come

884
01:05:25,005 --> 01:05:28,665
and stand in the middle aisle, please. Audra adriana hassel

885
01:05:29,145 --> 01:05:31,335
and amy reker.

886
01:05:41,315 --> 01:05:45,315
hi. Hello again. Oh my gosh. Imagine the

887
01:05:46,005 --> 01:05:49,685
misguidance and misunderstanding going on in this room. It's

888
01:05:50,135 --> 01:05:53,815
interesting 'cause you guys are seemingly trying to protect against violent

889
01:05:55,335 --> 01:05:59,335
criminals. It's weird that it's a problem and that people

890
01:05:59,635 --> 01:06:03,455
are like against that. And then when I call out somebody being violent,

891
01:06:03,965 --> 01:06:07,615
they say that I am just by asking you to be calm and collected.

892
01:06:08,595 --> 01:06:12,295
so now I get why there's so much misguidance in this room and people

893
01:06:12,785 --> 01:06:15,415
don't want to actually protect against violence.

894
01:06:16,835 --> 01:06:20,775
and they're misunderstanding what's actually going on and saying

895
01:06:21,125 --> 01:06:25,085
it's something that it isn't. Because sometimes when

896
01:06:25,375 --> 01:06:28,695
people want to hear something, that's what they hear instead of actually listening

897
01:06:29,515 --> 01:06:33,495
to what's going on and understanding what you guys are trying to do.

898
01:06:34,035 --> 01:06:37,415
so to me, what I'm understanding is that a lot of people want violent

899
01:06:38,135 --> 01:06:42,085
criminals to run rampant and have nothing be done about it 'cause of the color of their skin,

900
01:06:42,485 --> 01:06:46,155
even though they're white, black, asian, you name it, they're all colors.

901
01:06:48,195 --> 01:06:52,175
so it's very sad to see that there's so many people that would prefer a

902
01:06:52,295 --> 01:06:56,275
child to be raped or, you know, whatever. But like, why should we go after them and

903
01:06:56,555 --> 01:06:59,655
remove them from our country, especially if they came here illegally.

904
01:07:00,795 --> 01:07:04,595
but you guys will lose your federal funding if you go and try and obstruct the

905
01:07:04,815 --> 01:07:08,335
federal government from being able to do their job, which would actually

906
01:07:08,955 --> 01:07:12,815
impede this city and hinder its ability to do the things that

907
01:07:13,015 --> 01:07:16,765
it needs to do. So it's a surprise and a wonder why people that want

908
01:07:17,055 --> 01:07:20,895
more money to come in don't wanna actually get in the way of that

909
01:07:21,095 --> 01:07:25,055
happening. So good for you guys for doing and trying to stand up for what's

910
01:07:25,335 --> 01:07:29,335
right and actually protect the people. But I guarantee you there's

911
01:07:29,655 --> 01:07:33,335
two of you on here that don't wanna protect the people because you are confused

912
01:07:33,905 --> 01:07:37,575
about what this means and, and that if anything happens to anybody,

913
01:07:38,165 --> 01:07:41,175
it's your guys' fault and you're complicit and culpable in it.

914
01:07:42,275 --> 01:07:45,175
so god's speed. Thank you to all of you guys.

915
01:07:49,365 --> 01:07:53,185
alright, ladies and gentlemen, I'm, I'm watching the time. Three

916
01:07:53,535 --> 01:07:57,455
minutes won. Wasn't over. Go ahead. My name's amy rechart and

917
01:07:57,575 --> 01:08:01,495
I'm with restore san diego. And everybody that's here that we

918
01:08:02,035 --> 01:08:05,765
ask to be here is for one reason and one reason only.

919
01:08:06,835 --> 01:08:10,535
we don't want violent criminals in our community.

920
01:08:11,675 --> 01:08:15,205
period. End of story. This should not be a debate.

921
01:08:16,185 --> 01:08:19,345
we should not be called anti-christian or racist.

922
01:08:20,415 --> 01:08:24,205
there was an earlier speaker who referenced that actually the, the number of violent

923
01:08:24,765 --> 01:08:28,595
criminals president in the united states that have, uh, come

924
01:08:28,885 --> 01:08:32,635
here illegally is only 270,000. Well,

925
01:08:32,925 --> 01:08:36,315
that's 270,000 too many.

926
01:08:37,225 --> 01:08:40,695
so I wanna say thank you so much, steve.

927
01:08:41,305 --> 01:08:44,805
in particular, I wanna say thank you so much for reconsidering

928
01:08:45,405 --> 01:08:49,005
this and bringing this again because the community supports you

929
01:08:49,785 --> 01:08:53,475
and, and regardless of the rhetoric on each side

930
01:08:53,825 --> 01:08:57,765
and the accusations of of racism, and you're not being a christian,

931
01:08:58,645 --> 01:09:02,475
I think we can all come together and say we don't want

932
01:09:02,875 --> 01:09:05,285
violent criminals in el cajon. So thank you.

933
01:09:11,595 --> 01:09:14,995
next speakers, mary davis, ben good,

934
01:09:15,825 --> 01:09:17,215
and carlos gomez perez.

935
01:09:20,585 --> 01:09:24,485
hi, uh, good afternoon mary davis. So, uh, first of all, I

936
01:09:24,605 --> 01:09:28,585
do have to touch on what audra mentioned and um, I do try to always speak, uh,

937
01:09:28,865 --> 01:09:31,965
in public with a gentle answer. But, um, councilwoman

938
01:09:33,245 --> 01:09:37,085
mitchell, I was very disturbed. Uh, I know you had your viral moment and you talked

939
01:09:37,445 --> 01:09:40,835
about the fear of being made to look like a racist. But enforcing

940
01:09:41,465 --> 01:09:45,085
our laws and keeping residents safe isn't racist.

941
01:09:45,755 --> 01:09:49,585
it's called upholding your oath of office. Um, yes.

942
01:09:49,825 --> 01:09:53,605
and so I also, uh, have to touch on legal immigration

943
01:09:54,425 --> 01:09:57,885
and I would say everybody in this room is absolutely for legal immigration.

944
01:09:58,565 --> 01:10:02,485
I was just down at san ysidro the other day. I saw a bus. So there was a line of what

945
01:10:02,685 --> 01:10:06,365
you call military age men, 18 to 40. And I was kind of concerned

946
01:10:06,805 --> 01:10:10,645
at first, and they're all lined up for this bus. Well, it turns out when I did my research, they're

947
01:10:11,085 --> 01:10:14,955
here for a legal visa immigration under h two. Um, it's

948
01:10:15,245 --> 01:10:19,085
a recruiting for agriculture though. That's the type of legal immigration

949
01:10:19,725 --> 01:10:23,685
that almost everybody, I would say in this room is absolutely for. We want people

950
01:10:23,925 --> 01:10:27,745
that are gonna come here, work hard, obey the law. That said, um,

951
01:10:28,225 --> 01:10:32,205
lastly, I do wanna touch on, uh, one of my seatmates next to me kept talking

952
01:10:32,685 --> 01:10:36,525
about kids in cages. And, um, and I get that that's

953
01:10:36,805 --> 01:10:40,425
a thing because it actually ha happened under obama also. But I'm going to,

954
01:10:40,985 --> 01:10:44,725
uh, call your kids in cages trope and I'm going to

955
01:10:45,255 --> 01:10:49,125
raise you kids in coffins. These are the three girls that were

956
01:10:49,325 --> 01:10:52,685
killed in sacramento directly because of sb 54.

957
01:10:53,705 --> 01:10:57,485
the father was arrested for a violent offense, resisting arrest,

958
01:10:58,425 --> 01:11:02,285
and that they let him go. A week later, he killed

959
01:11:02,565 --> 01:11:06,555
these three girls in a church I might add, where one of the signs says

960
01:11:06,905 --> 01:11:10,825
no ice in church. And so there is collateral damage.

961
01:11:11,395 --> 01:11:15,195
it's a matter of who pays the price. These girls should be alive. Anybody

962
01:11:15,685 --> 01:11:19,625
that honors sb 54 is complicit and has gras losano.

963
01:11:20,215 --> 01:11:20,805
thank you so much.

964
01:11:27,395 --> 01:11:30,585
welcome sir. Good afternoon, ms. Carlos. Go.

965
01:11:31,555 --> 01:11:35,285
nice to you again, mayor. So ultimately

966
01:11:35,605 --> 01:11:39,565
your job is to, you're claiming public safety, correct? At the

967
01:11:39,645 --> 01:11:43,435
end of the day, you want to keep el cajon safe. That

968
01:11:43,725 --> 01:11:47,225
means the constituents and the same manner your, um, your, um,

969
01:11:47,915 --> 01:11:51,745
your members right there. So that being said, I stand for

970
01:11:51,965 --> 01:11:55,715
you today to address the crucial concernt regarding the upcoming re traditional bill that

971
01:11:56,005 --> 01:11:59,925
could be profoundly affect our community. 'cause it will affect our community in not in a positive

972
01:12:00,085 --> 01:12:03,645
manner. So this last council meeting, that the people that voted against it

973
01:12:04,435 --> 01:12:08,205
have been harassed because of pe because

974
01:12:08,525 --> 01:12:12,465
they know they oppose your bill. However, it's important to recognize that con the context of

975
01:12:12,685 --> 01:12:16,565
this decision were being made, if the bills were introduced and passes, we must

976
01:12:16,925 --> 01:12:20,885
consider the possibility that those voters, those votes were not entirely made by free will. Instead,

977
01:12:21,285 --> 01:12:25,125
they have been influenced by harassment, intimidation. These council members have

978
01:12:25,675 --> 01:12:29,605
endured a decision made under the rest 'cause it is under dures. 'cause

979
01:12:29,685 --> 01:12:33,145
you're fearful for your life. You're being threatened. They know where you live that is not,

980
01:12:34,035 --> 01:12:37,845
does not reflect genuine support or their form. It's product of external pressure

981
01:12:38,155 --> 01:12:41,885
that is towards the integrity of the decision making process. The council's

982
01:12:42,285 --> 01:12:46,025
rule that your council rule is to serve the public, make informed decisions, and uphold

983
01:12:46,445 --> 01:12:50,405
justice and law. Like I said last time, I didn't think I was gonna

984
01:12:50,565 --> 01:12:54,165
have to be doing this back here stateside. So if you're

985
01:12:54,915 --> 01:12:58,605
changed your mind on after two weeks of talking

986
01:12:59,105 --> 01:13:02,885
to each other, it is not out of the woo goodness of your heart.

987
01:13:03,425 --> 01:13:07,365
it is not because you care about public safety. It's because mayor, you're trying to get your

988
01:13:07,525 --> 01:13:11,525
career steps going. And two, it's at the rest. And please

989
01:13:12,035 --> 01:13:15,985
wait, wait till we finish speaking so we can hear each other. I get it. We

990
01:13:16,205 --> 01:13:20,205
support each other, but let's wait till the finish speaking so we can go ahead and clap as loud as

991
01:13:20,325 --> 01:13:24,325
we want. That being said, do not pass a reform. It will not be good for the city.

992
01:13:24,785 --> 01:13:28,645
it will not be good for constituents. It won't be good for anyone. And no, we don't

993
01:13:28,805 --> 01:13:31,405
want criminals in this, in the city. Thank you. Thank you.

994
01:13:36,215 --> 01:13:39,775
after mr. Goode, we have kaylee, uh, jarad,

995
01:13:40,235 --> 01:13:42,615
kirsten jarad and lucas jarad

996
01:13:45,435 --> 01:13:48,925
gentlemen, ma'am, uh, two weeks ago, we got it wrong.

997
01:13:49,945 --> 01:13:53,925
um, and I, I wanna thank mr. Gobel. I know you took

998
01:13:54,085 --> 01:13:58,025
a lot of emails. I know you took some from a really smart lady named trina goode. And,

999
01:13:58,905 --> 01:14:02,885
um, we're both in over our skis on her. Uh, that's gonna be a completely intellectual,

1000
01:14:04,305 --> 01:14:08,285
uh, intelligent, precise thing that's gonna come out of her out of

1001
01:14:08,365 --> 01:14:12,245
love. Uh, she teaches at a very hispanic school, has for over

1002
01:14:12,445 --> 01:14:16,365
20 years. She drives one hour every day to teach those kids. And she

1003
01:14:16,525 --> 01:14:20,525
loves those kids and she'll protect them against anything. And that's really

1004
01:14:20,765 --> 01:14:24,445
what we're getting into right now is a protection situation. And so I thank you for,

1005
01:14:24,825 --> 01:14:28,605
for, for filling those emails. And she seriously respects the fact that you took the

1006
01:14:29,045 --> 01:14:32,965
time outta your day to thoughtfully respond to her. And it wasn't harassment,

1007
01:14:33,945 --> 01:14:37,805
it was just a process that you participated in. And thank you mr. Kendrick.

1008
01:14:39,035 --> 01:14:42,835
earlier today, I sat there and I was, my, my jaw kind of dropped a little bit because

1009
01:14:43,425 --> 01:14:47,085
I'm gonna quote you, the primarily purpose of local government is to protect

1010
01:14:47,705 --> 01:14:51,605
the citizens. And that's all we're asking you to do right now is protect

1011
01:14:52,045 --> 01:14:55,965
the citizens. We got it wrong last time. I've literally watched

1012
01:14:56,485 --> 01:15:00,485
hundreds of thousands of people come from all over the world. It, it, it's not our

1013
01:15:00,925 --> 01:15:04,685
hispanic people who were born here who have a birthright. As we were heard earlier today,

1014
01:15:05,405 --> 01:15:08,845
I have personally seen thousands of people from all over the world

1015
01:15:10,255 --> 01:15:14,085
introduced into our system in the last three and a half years. I've watched the buses

1016
01:15:14,385 --> 01:15:18,085
go by my house, by numbers. I can't count in a day. We're talking about hundreds

1017
01:15:18,525 --> 01:15:22,445
of buses in a week, 24 hours a day, seven days

1018
01:15:22,685 --> 01:15:26,605
a week, three years. We do not know who those people are, and we need to protect those

1019
01:15:26,965 --> 01:15:30,965
students that you're talking about, those kids. I agree with you completely. I think we have the same heart.

1020
01:15:32,265 --> 01:15:35,955
the problem is we have to stand up to it now and we have to fix something that

1021
01:15:36,445 --> 01:15:40,365
somebody else caused this. And it's a really uncomfortable place for everybody, but we still have to

1022
01:15:40,485 --> 01:15:44,325
fix it. I beg you to follow through on what you said earlier today and protect the

1023
01:15:44,685 --> 01:15:45,245
citizens. Thank you.

1024
01:15:53,225 --> 01:15:56,685
hi, I'm lucas. Um, I want you to vote no on the resolution.

1025
01:15:57,305 --> 01:16:01,045
um, I think we, we have really serious due process concerns, um, in, in light of the,

1026
01:16:01,385 --> 01:16:05,385
uh, lake and riley act that was passed two weeks ago. Um, so basically, um,

1027
01:16:05,925 --> 01:16:09,845
I think there's a lot of misconceptions about how this resolution works. Like, uh, if you vote no on

1028
01:16:09,965 --> 01:16:13,805
this resolution, it doesn't mean that ice isn't able to operate in el cajon. Um, it doesn't

1029
01:16:14,045 --> 01:16:17,865
take away the ability to, uh, of ice to arrest people who, or to, to,

1030
01:16:18,185 --> 01:16:21,705
uh, yeah, to, to arrest people who they know have committed crimes. Um,

1031
01:16:22,545 --> 01:16:26,305
but, uh, um, based on the lake and riley, uh,

1032
01:16:26,625 --> 01:16:30,525
act, uh, which was passed by congress, um, the ice, when people,

1033
01:16:30,905 --> 01:16:34,825
if our police collaborate with ice, um, and they turn people over who haven't been arrested or

1034
01:16:35,045 --> 01:16:38,865
who have, sorry, who have not been convicted of crimes, um, uh, ice

1035
01:16:39,225 --> 01:16:43,185
is required just based on an accusation and not based on a conviction to detain, detain

1036
01:16:43,605 --> 01:16:46,945
people indefinitely. And they have the ability to, uh, deport people to,

1037
01:16:47,625 --> 01:16:51,555
uh, the guantanamo bay prison facility based on just, uh, accusations

1038
01:16:52,905 --> 01:16:56,765
of, um, of having committed violent crimes. Like they don't actually require any proof

1039
01:16:56,985 --> 01:17:00,945
or any trial. And so we think this is a really serious due process issue. Um,

1040
01:17:01,505 --> 01:17:05,325
we think that it's the obligation of all government, but of local government to

1041
01:17:05,525 --> 01:17:09,045
respect the, the basic principle of due process and, uh, not allow

1042
01:17:09,675 --> 01:17:13,345
elon residents to, um, uh, to be, uh, captured by

1043
01:17:13,905 --> 01:17:17,615
ice or to be captured by police on, on for like, uh, as gobel

1044
01:17:17,965 --> 01:17:21,885
said, um, for just, uh, uh, speeding for something that

1045
01:17:22,005 --> 01:17:25,945
is nonviolent, for running through a red light. Um, then be

1046
01:17:26,165 --> 01:17:30,165
turned over to ice and, uh, on that basis, be punished as though you had committed

1047
01:17:30,485 --> 01:17:33,785
a murder or a violent crime because indefinite detention. Um,

1048
01:17:34,945 --> 01:17:38,695
uh, uh, yeah, I think, uh, sorry.

1049
01:17:40,265 --> 01:17:44,165
uh, yeah, we, I I think we, we think this is a, a

1050
01:17:44,285 --> 01:17:48,205
real problem for due process. And I, I think you guys are obligated to vote no on

1051
01:17:48,325 --> 01:17:51,895
this resolution, uh, to prevent this sort of, uh, abuse.

1052
01:17:52,785 --> 01:17:54,485
um, yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

1053
01:18:06,065 --> 01:18:10,045
hi. Hi. Um, please don't pass this resolution

1054
01:18:10,355 --> 01:18:14,025
that will allow the police to capture el cajon residents and turn them over to ice.

1055
01:18:14,625 --> 01:18:18,395
who, with merely an accusation and no trial can detain them indefinitely, including

1056
01:18:19,005 --> 01:18:22,925
sending them to guantanamo bay, the infamous black site where the

1057
01:18:23,245 --> 01:18:27,165
constitutional protections are not applied under the horrifyingly unconstitutional lake

1058
01:18:27,445 --> 01:18:31,425
and riley act. Any undocumented migrant accused not convicted can

1059
01:18:31,645 --> 01:18:35,205
be permanently held in a foreign labor camp over a low level crime like shoplifting.

1060
01:18:35,995 --> 01:18:39,625
make no mistake, this is already happening. Not a single migrant. Recently, andris

1061
01:18:40,185 --> 01:18:44,065
in gitmo was convicted in the us court. If you wanna deport, the handful of

1062
01:18:44,285 --> 01:18:48,285
people tried and found guilty of nonviolent crimes, fine, but that's not what

1063
01:18:48,485 --> 01:18:52,485
we're talking about. We're talking about sending alcohol residents to foreign concentration camps

1064
01:18:52,805 --> 01:18:56,725
without trial. Trump recently gave the okay on sending migrants to prisons in

1065
01:18:56,885 --> 01:19:00,845
el salvador where people worked 15 hours a day and often die from lack of water

1066
01:19:01,045 --> 01:19:04,595
and disease. Uh, dhs secretary christian refuses

1067
01:19:05,085 --> 01:19:08,955
to even pretend that these camps were, were only contained violent criminals. This

1068
01:19:09,245 --> 01:19:13,125
is just the start of the warrior. Is this what we wanna do to our neighbors? To the people down the

1069
01:19:13,285 --> 01:19:16,925
street who have been living peacefully for decades and who under any other administration would've

1070
01:19:17,445 --> 01:19:21,125
continued to do so? The stake are so much higher now that the lake and riley,

1071
01:19:21,705 --> 01:19:25,705
no due process for migrants bureau has been passed. They want to punish people as

1072
01:19:26,085 --> 01:19:29,485
severely as though they've committed a murder, but without any trial, any investigation,

1073
01:19:30,185 --> 01:19:34,165
any ability to confront their accuser in court. Um, they don't get their

1074
01:19:34,285 --> 01:19:38,125
day in court. They get held indefinitely in camps, in service of a racial goal to make this

1075
01:19:38,325 --> 01:19:41,605
country more white. The trump administration wants to board 20 million people.

1076
01:19:42,345 --> 01:19:46,025
um, but we won't have 20 million convictions. There're gonna be 20 million people grabbed at

1077
01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:50,285
churches and schools and rounded up on their way to work. We're not going to forget what you do

1078
01:19:50,405 --> 01:19:54,045
here. We'll be grateful if you protect our community, and we'll be furious if you destroy it

1079
01:20:02,495 --> 01:20:06,425
after, after ms uh, uh, jarad, we

1080
01:20:06,645 --> 01:20:10,625
have julianne gustafson, clifton quinn, and

1081
01:20:10,845 --> 01:20:14,725
kristen broker. My name is,

1082
01:20:15,065 --> 01:20:17,765
my name is kirsten jarad. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

1083
01:20:19,475 --> 01:20:23,365
each of you took an oath to support the us constitution. So do it,

1084
01:20:23,585 --> 01:20:27,565
do your job. Mayor wells wants to collude with the trump administration's efforts

1085
01:20:27,905 --> 01:20:31,805
to deport 20 million people through the lake and riley act, which mandates

1086
01:20:32,635 --> 01:20:36,235
that undocumented individuals be deported or transferred to foreign prisons

1087
01:20:36,725 --> 01:20:40,665
and work camps where they'll be denied the protection of the fifth amendment. The

1088
01:20:40,885 --> 01:20:44,885
right to be free from self-incrimination. The sixth amendment, the right to the right

1089
01:20:45,085 --> 01:20:48,965
to counsel a speedy trial, an impartial jury, the right to be charged with

1090
01:20:49,165 --> 01:20:53,165
the crime and the right to confront witnesses. The eighth amendment, the right to

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01:20:53,325 --> 01:20:57,165
be free from cruel and unusual punishment. And the 14th amendment, the right to due process,

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01:20:57,495 --> 01:21:01,405
equal protection, and the presumption of innocence. The lake and riley act only

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01:21:01,685 --> 01:21:05,515
requires that someone be accused of a crime. There's no burden of proof, there's

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01:21:06,005 --> 01:21:09,845
no trial. That's why we have the 14th amendment. Due process

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01:21:10,285 --> 01:21:14,085
requires the, sorry. The 14th amendment requires due process and equal

1096
01:21:14,325 --> 01:21:17,875
protection before someone's rights are removed. The constitution applies equally

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01:21:18,545 --> 01:21:22,445
to citizens and non-citizens in the us, which is why trump wants to

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01:21:22,645 --> 01:21:26,575
move people to foreign soil so they have no rights. Mayor

1099
01:21:27,055 --> 01:21:30,965
wells has fabricated legal issue claiming that cajon must cooperate

1100
01:21:31,525 --> 01:21:35,405
with the feds to deport people using local police. But that's not how our government

1101
01:21:35,805 --> 01:21:39,605
works. We have a system called federalism under the 10th amendment

1102
01:21:40,065 --> 01:21:44,045
and the supreme court precedent, police powers belong solely to the states.

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01:21:44,755 --> 01:21:48,515
immigration belongs to the federal government. It's false that

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01:21:48,805 --> 01:21:52,645
the el ca police are obligated to cooperate with the feds. Sb 54

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01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:56,825
states that no california state or local resources can be used to assist

1106
01:21:57,245 --> 01:22:01,085
federal immigration enforcement. California has an absolute right

1107
01:22:01,405 --> 01:22:05,045
to make and enforce this law as elected officials sworn to uphold the

1108
01:22:05,445 --> 01:22:09,165
constitution. It would be a dereliction of your duty to vote for this

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01:22:09,525 --> 01:22:13,325
resolution. If you ever wonder what you would do in a country that was sliding into fascism,

1110
01:22:13,865 --> 01:22:17,565
ask yourself, what are you doing right now? Much history will judge you.

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01:22:28,585 --> 01:22:32,525
hi, my name's clifton quinn, and I am so impressed by the passion I'm seeing

1112
01:22:32,725 --> 01:22:36,725
in this room on both sides. Seriously, this is the american

1113
01:22:36,845 --> 01:22:40,285
way, and I appreciate your attention. I've spoke at the county board of supervisors

1114
01:22:40,965 --> 01:22:44,925
when they were busy on their email, so thank you for doing this. So I

1115
01:22:45,045 --> 01:22:48,965
appreciate the passion. And my mom is an immigrant. My wife is an

1116
01:22:49,085 --> 01:22:53,075
immigrant, and I've never heard one person here speak anything against immigrants. Okay?

1117
01:22:53,365 --> 01:22:57,185
that's not what this is about, right? I I truly wonder if

1118
01:22:57,405 --> 01:23:01,405
we are talking about the same resolution. I read a simple resolution, which

1119
01:23:01,725 --> 01:23:05,285
to me, well, I've learned not to necessarily

1120
01:23:05,735 --> 01:23:09,605
trust big government, but I have learned to trust bill wells. I've met him several

1121
01:23:09,885 --> 01:23:13,765
times and has heard him speak on many occasions. And I trust, I trust

1122
01:23:14,045 --> 01:23:18,045
where bill's coming from. So I believe this, if we do not pass

1123
01:23:18,325 --> 01:23:22,225
this, if you do not pass this resolution, I've heard from tom ham and

1124
01:23:22,445 --> 01:23:26,085
heard of the guys at ice, and they're gonna be airing in and narrowing

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01:23:26,545 --> 01:23:30,405
in on places that, that say they want to be a sanctuary city

1126
01:23:30,705 --> 01:23:34,045
or want to grow up against ice. I don't think that's a battle we wanna fight.

1127
01:23:34,745 --> 01:23:38,555
so to me, it's an absolute no brainer to do what it says. Sole purpose

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01:23:39,265 --> 01:23:43,235
of removing violent criminals, not immigrants, violent

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01:23:44,245 --> 01:23:46,565
criminals. Please pass this resolution. Thank you.

1130
01:23:51,855 --> 01:23:55,665
after ms. Broker, we have chris ford, debbie claude

1131
01:23:56,585 --> 01:23:58,315
cod, and sherry finn.

1132
01:24:01,035 --> 01:24:04,425
well, good afternoon board. Um, my name is kristen broker.

1133
01:24:05,745 --> 01:24:09,745
uh, I am the spouse of a navy veteran of

1134
01:24:09,965 --> 01:24:13,545
30 years. And, um, we started our

1135
01:24:14,115 --> 01:24:18,065
service to the military here in

1136
01:24:18,345 --> 01:24:22,325
san diego. Traveled the world four corners of the united states

1137
01:24:23,185 --> 01:24:27,165
and, and finalized here and came back to a

1138
01:24:27,285 --> 01:24:31,275
wonderful city, um, several years ago after my husband's

1139
01:24:31,885 --> 01:24:33,865
retirement of 30 years. Um,

1140
01:24:35,945 --> 01:24:39,405
mr. Wells, I wanna tell you, you are, uh, quite a celebrity

1141
01:24:40,555 --> 01:24:44,085
from our peers in the military who are living elsewhere

1142
01:24:44,755 --> 01:24:48,645
when they, you made national news and made the

1143
01:24:48,845 --> 01:24:52,845
bold stance to bring this resolution to your city

1144
01:24:53,145 --> 01:24:57,085
to protect your citizens. Um, for that, I commend you

1145
01:24:57,425 --> 01:25:01,325
and your board for entertaining it and letting us as citizens

1146
01:25:01,675 --> 01:25:04,865
come and be a part of the process. Um,

1147
01:25:06,765 --> 01:25:10,625
I speak from, uh, only experience as

1148
01:25:11,005 --> 01:25:14,325
a former federal corrections employee.

1149
01:25:15,665 --> 01:25:18,265
and so my experience is

1150
01:25:19,675 --> 01:25:23,285
when a violent criminal comes into the custody

1151
01:25:23,745 --> 01:25:26,885
of any facility, penal system,

1152
01:25:28,525 --> 01:25:32,465
a background check that is nationalized is done on

1153
01:25:32,885 --> 01:25:36,805
that individual. If there is a detainer placed on that

1154
01:25:37,005 --> 01:25:40,845
individual, it would be derelict of my duty as a federal

1155
01:25:41,445 --> 01:25:45,315
employee of a correctional system to release them

1156
01:25:46,475 --> 01:25:50,265
without checking with the agency to see if they wanna come and

1157
01:25:50,485 --> 01:25:54,325
get that individual for further process. We're talking

1158
01:25:54,575 --> 01:25:58,395
about criminals that are violent, whether

1159
01:25:58,935 --> 01:26:02,435
their status is legal or illegal. Doesn't

1160
01:26:03,005 --> 01:26:06,245
matter if I release them into the community.

1161
01:26:07,185 --> 01:26:08,885
I'm sorry. Your time's up. Thank you. Okay, thanks.

1162
01:26:16,255 --> 01:26:20,245
hello, my name is chris ford, district one. Good afternoon, counsel. I have some

1163
01:26:20,405 --> 01:26:24,385
simple questions. Why are we all here again? Why are

1164
01:26:24,605 --> 01:26:28,565
you wasting our time? And most importantly, did you take any notes from the last session

1165
01:26:28,845 --> 01:26:32,705
regarding this topic? This and every version of this resolution has been opposed by

1166
01:26:32,965 --> 01:26:36,945
a vocal majority of the community. Not only is it wholly unpopular and dangerous, it

1167
01:26:37,165 --> 01:26:41,045
doesn't even make sense. You have spent nearly two months corresponding with

1168
01:26:41,205 --> 01:26:44,725
the california attorney general because of the legal question. At the core of this resolution,

1169
01:26:45,425 --> 01:26:49,405
you've spent five hours with the rest of us last time going back and forth on it, and you

1170
01:26:49,525 --> 01:26:53,325
spent no who knows how much time talking behind closed doors, discussing amongst yourselves.

1171
01:26:54,305 --> 01:26:58,125
and still, you don't have an answer as to the potential legal conflicts between state and federal

1172
01:26:58,585 --> 01:27:02,565
law. Yet still, you want to put this weird statement of pseudo action on the

1173
01:27:02,685 --> 01:27:06,645
books while seemingly admitting it could land the city in legal hot water. The next four

1174
01:27:06,845 --> 01:27:10,805
years is going to be nothing but potential conflicts between the adversarial trump administration

1175
01:27:11,665 --> 01:27:15,005
and the state of california. Are you going to put out a resolution

1176
01:27:15,695 --> 01:27:19,685
every time that happens? How often do you plan to risk our city becoming

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01:27:20,125 --> 01:27:24,045
publicly liable when instead, you could just be focusing on your job? Your job

1178
01:27:24,465 --> 01:27:28,205
is not to embroil us in legal conflicts. Your job is to be stewards

1179
01:27:28,565 --> 01:27:32,525
of the people of this city, both resident and non-resident alike. You say

1180
01:27:32,725 --> 01:27:36,565
this is about public safety. While there's nothing stopping our police from dealing with allegedly violent

1181
01:27:37,245 --> 01:27:41,125
criminals, both documented and undocumented, additionally, sb 54 already

1182
01:27:41,485 --> 01:27:45,445
allows them at their discretion to transfer violent offenders if a judicial warrant

1183
01:27:45,705 --> 01:27:48,825
is presented by ice. So where does your confusion lie?

1184
01:27:49,725 --> 01:27:53,445
I don't think you're confused. I sorry. I don't think you're confused. I think this resolution

1185
01:27:53,765 --> 01:27:57,605
just hates sanctuary cities. You shouldn't be worried about sanctuary cities. You should be worried

1186
01:27:57,805 --> 01:28:01,685
about the federal government since the trump administration issued quotas to ice there, having reports

1187
01:28:02,045 --> 01:28:05,485
of questioning or detainment of american citizens, veterans, indigenous people,

1188
01:28:06,065 --> 01:28:09,805
and human beings whose only crime has been crossing the border, who wants that in their community?

1189
01:28:10,635 --> 01:28:14,365
stop putting my neighbors at risk. Stop wasting our time. Kill this

1190
01:28:14,765 --> 01:28:16,525
resolution and leave it dead. Thank you.

1191
01:28:30,345 --> 01:28:34,165
uh, hello counsel. Thank you for being here. And thank you for letting us

1192
01:28:34,365 --> 01:28:38,365
come. Um, I want to, oh, my name's debbie connell and I've been a

1193
01:28:38,645 --> 01:28:42,525
resident for over 45 years raising my children here. I'm a great grandma.

1194
01:28:43,505 --> 01:28:47,285
uh, I wanna support mayor bill wells, steve gobel, fill authorities, anybody else

1195
01:28:47,635 --> 01:28:50,765
that really wants to be behind this recommendation

1196
01:28:52,265 --> 01:28:55,745
in declaring the city's commitment to ensure public safety

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01:28:56,305 --> 01:28:59,965
for all residents, not just different colors, but all residents.

1198
01:29:01,075 --> 01:29:04,315
asserting the city's intent to comply with federal and immigration

1199
01:29:05,185 --> 01:29:08,155
law complying I'm all for complying

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01:29:09,465 --> 01:29:13,285
extent, permissible of the sole purpose of removing violent criminals from

1201
01:29:13,485 --> 01:29:17,445
our community. Violent criminals. That's all we we ask for, to remove the violent

1202
01:29:17,925 --> 01:29:21,165
criminals. Um, even less than 10 illegals

1203
01:29:22,495 --> 01:29:26,395
would not be acceptable and should not be tolerated because

1204
01:29:26,945 --> 01:29:30,615
of safety life or more important showing one's id legal

1205
01:29:30,985 --> 01:29:34,765
status. I mean, that's the least we can do. Just show our

1206
01:29:35,025 --> 01:29:38,885
id, show our legal status to make sure that there's some safety in our

1207
01:29:39,085 --> 01:29:42,945
community. Please pass this resolution and

1208
01:29:43,165 --> 01:29:46,085
uphold your oath of office. And thank you so much.

1209
01:29:51,615 --> 01:29:55,265
after ms. Finn, we have truth. Brenda hammond and tony sat.

1210
01:29:58,395 --> 01:30:02,125
good afternoon. My name is shari finn. Unlike many people in this room,

1211
01:30:02,525 --> 01:30:06,405
I highly doubt there's one person in this room that can raise their hand and say that their

1212
01:30:06,605 --> 01:30:10,525
child was raped and trafficked by an illegal immigrant who is

1213
01:30:10,685 --> 01:30:14,685
sitting in the comfort of one of our prisons right now. He was not

1214
01:30:14,845 --> 01:30:18,825
deported. I am asking you

1215
01:30:19,045 --> 01:30:22,245
to pass this resolution because, well, there's many reasons.

1216
01:30:23,105 --> 01:30:26,995
but rather than going out and spewing hate,

1217
01:30:27,835 --> 01:30:30,805
what my husband and I did in an attempt to heal was create an organization

1218
01:30:32,035 --> 01:30:35,925
that recovers missing and exploited children. And many of you up there

1219
01:30:36,395 --> 01:30:40,205
know that we are

1220
01:30:40,415 --> 01:30:44,035
often faced with lay persons,

1221
01:30:44,525 --> 01:30:48,015
ourselves and our volunteers pulling children out of tents

1222
01:30:49,955 --> 01:30:53,785
from sex offenders and traffickers, and having law

1223
01:30:54,005 --> 01:30:58,005
enforcement showed up with their hands tied. Not, but four

1224
01:30:58,285 --> 01:31:02,255
months ago, maybe four and a half months ago, my husband and I pulled a foster youth

1225
01:31:02,945 --> 01:31:06,785
who had been pulled out of trafficking six separate times. My

1226
01:31:07,005 --> 01:31:10,965
husband and I pulled her out of that tent down on eighth and e

1227
01:31:11,495 --> 01:31:15,445
while san diego pd stood by to support just to make sure we

1228
01:31:15,605 --> 01:31:19,535
didn't get hurt. The trafficker was not arrested, but the foster youth

1229
01:31:19,905 --> 01:31:23,315
was taken away in handcuffs. Granted

1230
01:31:23,945 --> 01:31:27,085
it was for her protection. They say our system is so broken,

1231
01:31:28,745 --> 01:31:32,125
excuse me, on so many levels, there's a lot more work to be done.

1232
01:31:32,785 --> 01:31:35,805
but right now, this is one step to help our officers

1233
01:31:37,435 --> 01:31:41,325
when it comes to violent criminals and getting them off of our streets,

1234
01:31:42,825 --> 01:31:46,765
period. It's a safety issue. And our officers

1235
01:31:47,245 --> 01:31:49,545
need to be empowered to do their job.

1236
01:31:51,945 --> 01:31:54,925
and this is just the beginning. This is just one issue where they need to be empowered.

1237
01:31:56,075 --> 01:31:59,955
this is just one. Traffickers are still remaining on the streets because

1238
01:32:00,445 --> 01:32:04,175
officers can't arrest them because they didn't see a physical exchange of money. Thank

1239
01:32:04,525 --> 01:32:04,755
you. Yeah.

1240
01:32:19,625 --> 01:32:23,565
all right. I agree that the city should declare itself not a sanctuary city, and that

1241
01:32:23,725 --> 01:32:27,665
it will not obstruct, impede, interfere or block any federal law enforcement agency from its

1242
01:32:27,885 --> 01:32:31,445
duties. There's nothing wrong with the city asking the united states attorney general to indemnify

1243
01:32:32,005 --> 01:32:35,925
the city for following a federal immigration law by aiding in the removal

1244
01:32:36,145 --> 01:32:40,125
of violent criminals. And I actually already heard the perspective argument

1245
01:32:40,325 --> 01:32:44,325
today at the county meeting, that there's other issues to be concerned about in the

1246
01:32:44,445 --> 01:32:48,005
city. But I ask, is there a more important issue than safety? I don't think so.

1247
01:32:48,785 --> 01:32:52,575
but if this resolution were to pass, it must also be sent to the county since

1248
01:32:52,925 --> 01:32:56,545
they actively pushed for a sanctuary city. And I know some people didn't

1249
01:32:56,965 --> 01:33:00,805
understand when phil brought that fact up, but that's actually part of how we got here.

1250
01:33:01,515 --> 01:33:05,205
supervisors, nora vargas, monica montgomery spp, and tara lawson reamer

1251
01:33:05,705 --> 01:33:09,405
all voted yes to allow violent criminals to walk free among us, which is

1252
01:33:09,845 --> 01:33:13,675
actually against state law. Sb 54. Last meeting, some

1253
01:33:13,965 --> 01:33:17,505
speakers went as low ball and argument as to refer to the resolution as

1254
01:33:18,135 --> 01:33:21,765
nazim. Well, I actually found steve and gary's narrow-minded view of immigrants

1255
01:33:22,245 --> 01:33:26,105
as mere chief labor to also be a nazi like argument with the jews in

1256
01:33:26,325 --> 01:33:28,845
the camps. All not also mere chief labor to their dictators.

1257
01:33:30,565 --> 01:33:34,285
michelle's past argument included, we don't need this attention yet. The circus

1258
01:33:34,625 --> 01:33:38,485
is something that you actually personally brought. And everybody saw it on the news. It

1259
01:33:38,685 --> 01:33:42,565
was embarrassing bill said on nbc seven that he met with

1260
01:33:42,745 --> 01:33:46,245
tom holman. So what was tom's or trump's statement on legal permissibility

1261
01:33:47,305 --> 01:33:50,835
of following federal immigration law? Uh, please share with the class because

1262
01:33:51,685 --> 01:33:55,645
sb 54 may not even be lawful under the national constitution. The federal government

1263
01:33:56,045 --> 01:33:59,985
may actually openly challenge it. That would be the alleged federalism and

1264
01:34:00,205 --> 01:34:04,035
action. Careful what you wish for. If el cajon or any city goes

1265
01:34:04,325 --> 01:34:08,005
against federal law, then it's fair to ask if we can all pick and choose the federal laws we don't

1266
01:34:08,405 --> 01:34:12,305
like. But in the end, none of this matters because nobody in

1267
01:34:12,525 --> 01:34:16,085
the state is gonna make the final decision on immigration law. The federal government's

1268
01:34:16,685 --> 01:34:20,645
gonna do whatever the federal government wants to do with our lives like they've been doing

1269
01:34:20,985 --> 01:34:23,965
for decades. That's the reality we're all gonna have to deal with in the end. Thank you.

1270
01:34:33,545 --> 01:34:36,625
do we have, uh, the next five? Uh, brenda hammond,

1271
01:34:37,995 --> 01:34:41,795
tony sole, lisa gonzalez. Three. Okay.

1272
01:34:45,125 --> 01:34:47,455
. Hello,

1273
01:34:49,945 --> 01:34:53,885
brenda hammond. Um, some people think that just because I

1274
01:34:54,005 --> 01:34:58,000
attend and speak up for public comment at lemon grove la mesa in el cajon and

1275
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,945
sometimes santee city council meetings that I agree with and

1276
01:35:02,165 --> 01:35:05,905
stick up for all mayors and council members. I don't ask

1277
01:35:06,225 --> 01:35:09,965
any of them. Um, today I listened to the concerns

1278
01:35:10,585 --> 01:35:14,115
of this resolution at the noon media circus in front of city hall.

1279
01:35:15,485 --> 01:35:19,485
I understand their concerns, but I also understand that they are

1280
01:35:19,645 --> 01:35:21,535
being misinformed and instigated.

1281
01:35:23,865 --> 01:35:27,585
one in particular is a doctor of psychology. Oh,

1282
01:35:28,285 --> 01:35:32,175
I had to walk away when she claims she knew more about homeless people than the mayor.

1283
01:35:33,205 --> 01:35:37,045
. Uh, I know more

1284
01:35:37,285 --> 01:35:41,085
about homelessness than both of you put together .

1285
01:35:41,945 --> 01:35:44,705
I'm just kidding with you. That's okay. And I will not

1286
01:35:45,985 --> 01:35:49,085
repeat why. And you know why as I left that hot mess,

1287
01:35:50,005 --> 01:35:53,725
I mentioned that the doctor needs to go back to school or be

1288
01:35:54,125 --> 01:35:58,125
homeless for 15 years herself. She was saying some

1289
01:35:58,765 --> 01:36:02,265
horrible things. Um, a phd is not,

1290
01:36:02,985 --> 01:36:06,915
is a doctrine. It isn't, does not make you a doctor. It's

1291
01:36:07,205 --> 01:36:11,205
a label and nothing more. In my experience, I have

1292
01:36:11,325 --> 01:36:15,255
seen phd doctorates, especially in psychology,

1293
01:36:16,755 --> 01:36:20,445
mess with people, even groups of people at a time for their

1294
01:36:20,785 --> 01:36:24,785
own job security, especially those pop-up

1295
01:36:25,205 --> 01:36:28,995
church ministers that call themselves doctors,

1296
01:36:31,865 --> 01:36:35,635
mayors, mayor, city council and staff. I like

1297
01:36:35,925 --> 01:36:39,785
the, I like the way this is worded. Um, this resolution is

1298
01:36:40,005 --> 01:36:43,485
worded, it is clear and it protects the residents

1299
01:36:44,605 --> 01:36:47,305
homeless or not. And the city I recommend it passes

1300
01:36:54,375 --> 01:36:57,905
after ms. Gonzalez. We have maureen cruz, patty hannon,

1301
01:36:58,665 --> 01:37:02,445
and emelda barranco. Good afternoon

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01:37:02,765 --> 01:37:06,165
mayor, city council and fellow residents of el cajon.

1303
01:37:07,225 --> 01:37:11,065
my name's lisa gonzalez and I'm a tax legal, tax paying resident of our city. Unlike

1304
01:37:11,765 --> 01:37:15,725
thousands of others, voted to renew measure j to ensure funding for vital

1305
01:37:16,025 --> 01:37:19,825
public safety services. I stand here today in support of

1306
01:37:20,045 --> 01:37:23,805
the simple but essential principle that the interest and safety of our legal

1307
01:37:24,105 --> 01:37:27,875
and tax paying citizens must come first. I strongly support

1308
01:37:28,685 --> 01:37:31,605
allowing our el cajon police department to cooperate with federal law enforcement,

1309
01:37:32,725 --> 01:37:36,365
specifically for the purpose of removing serious and violent offenders of our community.

1310
01:37:37,225 --> 01:37:41,125
and this is simply common sense. Public safety is not

1311
01:37:41,365 --> 01:37:45,365
a political issue. It's a fundamental responsibility of government. And yet, across

1312
01:37:45,645 --> 01:37:49,645
california, misguided principles and policies are allowing

1313
01:37:49,765 --> 01:37:53,405
violent criminals to remain in our communities, putting innocent people at risk.

1314
01:37:54,625 --> 01:37:57,725
cities have been pressured to ignore laws designed to protect the public,

1315
01:37:58,685 --> 01:38:01,765
creating an environment where lawlessness thrives and accountability is abandoned.

1316
01:38:02,865 --> 01:38:06,725
and we see the result rising crime, shattered trust, and a sense of

1317
01:38:06,885 --> 01:38:08,925
fear in residents who simply wanna live in safe neighborhoods.

1318
01:38:11,425 --> 01:38:14,605
by passing this, it affirms our commitment to protecting law abiding taxpaying

1319
01:38:15,485 --> 01:38:19,405
citizens, and ensuring that violent criminals are held accountable to the fullest

1320
01:38:19,765 --> 01:38:23,165
extent of the law. So I urge the city council to support this resolution

1321
01:38:23,885 --> 01:38:27,885
unequivocally. By doing so, you will send a clear message that el cajon will always

1322
01:38:28,095 --> 01:38:31,525
prioritize the safety of its residents and lead the way for other cities

1323
01:38:32,115 --> 01:38:33,845
that are ready to do the same. Thank you.

1324
01:38:42,425 --> 01:38:45,765
hi, my name is patty hanan. I'd like to begin by thanking

1325
01:38:46,495 --> 01:38:50,405
mayor wells and the city council members for all your

1326
01:38:50,605 --> 01:38:54,085
hard work on to keep el cajon a vibrant

1327
01:38:55,185 --> 01:38:58,545
and growing city. Thank you. Uh,

1328
01:39:00,005 --> 01:39:03,585
I think that this resolution is very narrowly worded,

1329
01:39:04,185 --> 01:39:07,905
so that it is to help police officers by

1330
01:39:08,445 --> 01:39:12,195
removing the confusion that they can comply with

1331
01:39:12,485 --> 01:39:16,325
federal officers, uh, for re

1332
01:39:16,845 --> 01:39:20,795
removing violent criminals that helps our most

1333
01:39:21,135 --> 01:39:25,005
vulnerable citizens. Right now we have fentanyl

1334
01:39:25,665 --> 01:39:29,425
and human trafficking problems here in el

1335
01:39:29,735 --> 01:39:33,165
cajon. Uh, we need safety for our residents

1336
01:39:33,985 --> 01:39:37,555
and we need violent criminals, uh, to be removed,

1337
01:39:38,425 --> 01:39:42,075
uh, with without, uh, any, any confusion

1338
01:39:42,945 --> 01:39:46,685
as to, uh, whether they're allowed to be removed or not.

1339
01:39:47,665 --> 01:39:51,035
uh, jesus and matthew 1225 said,

1340
01:39:51,885 --> 01:39:54,895
a house divided against itself cannot stand.

1341
01:39:56,035 --> 01:39:59,425
abraham lincoln also said that, uh,

1342
01:40:00,515 --> 01:40:04,115
quoting jesus, uh, we can't be divided against

1343
01:40:05,105 --> 01:40:08,775
the federal government when it wants to provide protection

1344
01:40:10,185 --> 01:40:14,005
for our citizens. Uh, also the only

1345
01:40:14,205 --> 01:40:18,205
thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to

1346
01:40:18,405 --> 01:40:22,245
do nothing that was attributed to edmund burke, but it was actually

1347
01:40:22,475 --> 01:40:26,305
john locke that said it. Looking the other way and not

1348
01:40:26,725 --> 01:40:29,915
removing violent, violent criminals is evil.

1349
01:40:31,305 --> 01:40:35,145
I'd like to give you the example of huntington beach, which in

1350
01:40:35,365 --> 01:40:39,235
january voted seven to zero to comply with

1351
01:40:39,555 --> 01:40:43,405
federal law. And they said the reason that they

1352
01:40:43,605 --> 01:40:46,765
did that was for the safety of their citizens.

1353
01:40:47,705 --> 01:40:51,645
so thank you. Huntington beach. Oh, sorry.

1354
01:40:51,885 --> 01:40:55,605
thank you. Your time's finished. Thank you. And thank you,

1355
01:40:56,465 --> 01:40:57,245
uh, city council.

1356
01:41:00,985 --> 01:41:01,205
yes, ma'am.

1357
01:41:05,745 --> 01:41:09,455
uh, good afternoon. Uh, thank you mayor wells

1358
01:41:09,865 --> 01:41:13,585
and company bill ortiz. Graham

1359
01:41:14,365 --> 01:41:17,885
mitchell, the city manager. Okay. I called,

1360
01:41:18,905 --> 01:41:22,265
no, I called your office. Okay. I heard, um,

1361
01:41:23,185 --> 01:41:26,025
two nights ago, pam bondy was on the news saying

1362
01:41:28,535 --> 01:41:32,505
those that our sanctuary cities

1363
01:41:33,075 --> 01:41:36,765
will not get any federal aid. I thought that was alarming.

1364
01:41:37,665 --> 01:41:41,605
that's a lot of money. And I called your office and I asked, you know,

1365
01:41:41,685 --> 01:41:45,045
about how much are we looking at? And they said, six or $7 million.

1366
01:41:46,785 --> 01:41:49,395
and I'm thinking, okay, well

1367
01:41:51,845 --> 01:41:55,625
I think that, um, what are they gonna cut

1368
01:41:55,905 --> 01:41:59,295
out? Fire department, police protection,

1369
01:42:00,675 --> 01:42:04,565
medical, you know, they're gonna have to cut. And I called

1370
01:42:04,825 --> 01:42:08,725
my brother, who's a former, um, city manager because he

1371
01:42:08,925 --> 01:42:11,635
has a good head and he said they're gonna take away,

1372
01:42:13,425 --> 01:42:17,085
um, very important programs that people rely on.

1373
01:42:17,865 --> 01:42:21,765
and I thought, that's not good. That is not good at all. So this sanctuary

1374
01:42:22,035 --> 01:42:25,985
city issue is huge. It's bigger than any of us in

1375
01:42:26,205 --> 01:42:29,545
here, I'm sure. And I, for one,

1376
01:42:30,825 --> 01:42:34,805
you know, I want to see violent criminals go away. I don't want them

1377
01:42:34,945 --> 01:42:38,465
in our city. And I also would like to see

1378
01:42:39,885 --> 01:42:43,745
a crisis, a crisis line put in

1379
01:42:44,795 --> 01:42:48,595
that people that are here that might be targeted would be able to call

1380
01:42:48,945 --> 01:42:52,555
and get help. If they feel like there's bad cops

1381
01:42:53,025 --> 01:42:56,525
and there's good cops. If they feel like the bad ones are harassing

1382
01:42:57,125 --> 01:43:00,845
them, then they got, you know, they can talk to a spa, uh, spanish

1383
01:43:01,285 --> 01:43:05,185
speaker or whatever and get some help and

1384
01:43:05,425 --> 01:43:09,245
get some attention that they're not gonna just be thrown to the wind. And that

1385
01:43:09,445 --> 01:43:13,175
was just my idea. I hope you've had the same idea. , thank

1386
01:43:13,525 --> 01:43:14,845
you very much. Thank you.

1387
01:43:19,235 --> 01:43:22,935
good afternoon. My name is barranco, and this, um, email

1388
01:43:23,485 --> 01:43:27,405
I sent you, mr. Goble. Um, I don't know if you received it,

1389
01:43:27,625 --> 01:43:31,415
but I'm gonna read it to you. Um, first

1390
01:43:31,765 --> 01:43:35,765
of all, um, this, this is a little bit different. I got into the mind

1391
01:43:35,965 --> 01:43:39,805
of mr. Bill wells. It's like kind of saying he wrote this email

1392
01:43:40,105 --> 01:43:44,035
to you and this is how it goes. Hello, dear friend and colleague steve. Once

1393
01:43:44,325 --> 01:43:48,205
again. I want to propose a solution to keep illegal criminals off the

1394
01:43:48,365 --> 01:43:50,765
streets. My main concern is the safety of our residents.

1395
01:43:52,665 --> 01:43:56,485
my resolution will allow ice to cooperate with local law en

1396
01:43:56,915 --> 01:44:00,705
enforcement to help remove dangerous criminals off the streets. Ice can

1397
01:44:00,985 --> 01:44:04,925
and has been targeting individuals that have dark skin. But that is not a concern for

1398
01:44:05,085 --> 01:44:08,975
me. I don't mind that this resolution will build fear and distress among

1399
01:44:09,365 --> 01:44:13,335
illegals rather than safety for all individuals of different ethnicities. After

1400
01:44:13,745 --> 01:44:17,555
all, 57% of alcohol voted for trump. I care more,

1401
01:44:18,765 --> 01:44:22,605
I care more about trump than the safety and wellbeing of alcohol residents who come

1402
01:44:22,845 --> 01:44:26,305
from all walks of life. Please, please,

1403
01:44:26,855 --> 01:44:30,705
let's help police remove illegals whose so legal status is no

1404
01:44:30,925 --> 01:44:34,695
danger or threat to our communities. Police help the city of el cajon abide

1405
01:44:35,045 --> 01:44:38,965
by a fa administration that is currently being protested in all

1406
01:44:39,165 --> 01:44:42,845
50 states. We do have a bigger problem in the city of el cajon like homelessness,

1407
01:44:43,665 --> 01:44:47,545
but that is not a concern right now. Our country is being led by a greedy but

1408
01:44:47,775 --> 01:44:49,765
successful businessman whom I fully support.

1409
01:44:51,785 --> 01:44:55,405
so my question is just ask yourself if this is the

1410
01:44:55,845 --> 01:44:58,945
solution, why you have so many people against it.

1411
01:45:01,115 --> 01:45:02,885
that is it. Thank you for having me speak.

1412
01:45:10,135 --> 01:45:13,805
mayor. Mayor, we have 19 more speakers. The next three

1413
01:45:14,145 --> 01:45:17,035
are violet, patricia reon, and bob collins.

1414
01:45:41,905 --> 01:45:45,795
good afternoon. Patricia monon, regional policy manager for alliance san diego.

1415
01:45:46,885 --> 01:45:50,635
trump promised that ice would start by only removing violent criminals. That

1416
01:45:50,915 --> 01:45:54,825
was a lie. And we have seen this lie play out in city after city

1417
01:45:55,125 --> 01:45:59,075
where non offenders are being arrested and detained and fear and living

1418
01:45:59,415 --> 01:46:03,395
in fear. Similarly, while mayor wells wants everyone to believe that this

1419
01:46:03,555 --> 01:46:06,595
is about violent criminals, the data point of 647,000

1420
01:46:08,215 --> 01:46:12,185
is mischaracterized by making people fearful, um, that

1421
01:46:12,475 --> 01:46:15,595
there are high numbers of undocumented violent criminals in american cities.

1422
01:46:16,865 --> 01:46:20,475
this is, this again, is simply not true. Dhs, which oversees

1423
01:46:21,055 --> 01:46:24,875
ice has clarified that this number spans decades. And those not in ice custody

1424
01:46:25,415 --> 01:46:29,255
may currently be incarcerated by federal, state, or local law enforcement, and

1425
01:46:29,475 --> 01:46:32,755
includes immigrants with lawful status. Additionally,

1426
01:46:33,495 --> 01:46:37,475
the single biggest category in this data point includes over 77,000 traffic

1427
01:46:37,795 --> 01:46:41,555
related offenses. State law, sb 54, already allows

1428
01:46:41,895 --> 01:46:45,875
for not removal of violent offenders. A position that governor

1429
01:46:46,095 --> 01:46:50,085
newsom and ag bonta have affirmed. You do not have to go

1430
01:46:50,205 --> 01:46:53,845
on record as being anti sanctuary as much as anti-immigrants

1431
01:46:54,725 --> 01:46:58,605
would like to paint it. So the city of san diego, nor the county of san diego are sanctuary

1432
01:46:59,035 --> 01:47:02,455
regions. So then what is the purpose of this? It's a political stunt.

1433
01:47:03,695 --> 01:47:07,205
mayor wells told you two weeks ago that tom holman wants the city of el cajon

1434
01:47:07,825 --> 01:47:11,765
in the trump column. It's also setting up the city of el cajon as a litigant

1435
01:47:12,125 --> 01:47:15,705
to challenge state law. Requesting indemnification to the us

1436
01:47:16,165 --> 01:47:20,125
attorney general is asking permission to violate state law and setting the city up for

1437
01:47:20,285 --> 01:47:24,285
a long, costly battle on a federal issue. Resources and funds that are desperately

1438
01:47:24,825 --> 01:47:28,405
needed for local issues. I urge you to think about the political

1439
01:47:28,845 --> 01:47:32,605
waters you are wading into. In the example council member goebbels

1440
01:47:33,165 --> 01:47:37,165
gave, that would be a violation of sb 54 as would asking ice to translate

1441
01:47:37,685 --> 01:47:41,605
for police officer, police officers, which el cajon pd has done

1442
01:47:41,805 --> 01:47:45,145
in the past. We urge a no vote and

1443
01:47:45,985 --> 01:47:49,885
not to put the city of el cajon as a political pot. Thank you.

1444
01:47:55,185 --> 01:47:59,145
um, after violet, we have bob collins, dr.

1445
01:47:59,545 --> 01:48:00,715
se conti and jose cruz.

1446
01:48:15,095 --> 01:48:16,395
boy, you guys had me studying.

1447
01:48:29,825 --> 01:48:33,305
okay, whenever I'm ready. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Okay.

1448
01:48:34,135 --> 01:48:38,115
hi city council. I'm not addressing the mayor who has been investigated

1449
01:48:38,415 --> 01:48:41,755
by fp I'm good on that. I wanna address my city council,

1450
01:48:42,455 --> 01:48:46,395
who means a lot to me because I live in the city and we have worked

1451
01:48:46,835 --> 01:48:50,755
together. Um, and you guys said that we're not a sanctuary

1452
01:48:51,185 --> 01:48:54,905
city, but yet in front of you, we see 400 plus

1453
01:48:56,305 --> 01:49:00,255
violent sex offenders that reside here in el

1454
01:49:00,525 --> 01:49:04,315
cajon. If nobody has seen it, this is the picture. This is only

1455
01:49:04,555 --> 01:49:08,275
here in downtown. You guys need to make your research and see that

1456
01:49:08,615 --> 01:49:12,425
we have violent criminals already here in el cajon that

1457
01:49:12,715 --> 01:49:15,795
are not immigrants. Second of all,

1458
01:49:18,435 --> 01:49:22,295
I spoke to the sheriffs today and they, um, communicated to me that we

1459
01:49:22,515 --> 01:49:25,905
have a website where all the police departments,

1460
01:49:27,255 --> 01:49:31,235
um, it's called crime watch. And on there we could

1461
01:49:31,435 --> 01:49:35,145
see the statistics of our city and the crime that is being committed

1462
01:49:36,215 --> 01:49:40,115
in our city on present time. It is right in

1463
01:49:40,315 --> 01:49:44,105
front of you. As you could see, a lot of crimes are not violent. They

1464
01:49:44,395 --> 01:49:48,145
are in-house, for example, a homeless problem that we

1465
01:49:49,505 --> 01:49:53,445
as people have been working on. I could say that I have, because I've been to your

1466
01:49:53,605 --> 01:49:57,325
town hall meetings plenty of times. My question is to you,

1467
01:49:58,345 --> 01:50:02,305
why are we still considered the dump of san diego? Why are

1468
01:50:02,525 --> 01:50:05,995
we still allowing this? Why are we entertaining this false lawless

1469
01:50:07,405 --> 01:50:10,475
proposal that really is gonna get us into some deep s**t

1470
01:50:11,975 --> 01:50:15,805
legal s**t that we're not gonna be able to get? You can help first that appreciate,

1471
01:50:16,215 --> 01:50:20,005
sorry, mr. Gobel, you're

1472
01:50:20,245 --> 01:50:22,885
an educator. Please educate yourself first,

1473
01:50:24,435 --> 01:50:28,175
do not pass the proposal yet. Talk to your insurance

1474
01:50:28,535 --> 01:50:32,395
carrier. Talk to people like, for example, the

1475
01:50:32,615 --> 01:50:36,495
board of directors, the board of supervisors. Your time is up.

1476
01:50:36,675 --> 01:50:40,655
how are we gonna wait, ma'am, you need to stop.

1477
01:50:40,965 --> 01:50:42,175
I'll have removed from the chambers.

1478
01:50:54,835 --> 01:50:58,715
yes, sir. All right. Ready to go? Yeah. Hello. Go

1479
01:50:58,935 --> 01:51:02,335
ahead. Well, that's good seeing y'all. And michelle, I wanted to

1480
01:51:02,995 --> 01:51:06,995
single you out for being as passionate as you were on

1481
01:51:07,215 --> 01:51:10,835
this issue. And the same to you, gary. Um,

1482
01:51:11,855 --> 01:51:15,735
I sort of got an idea what race discrimination was like as a kid.

1483
01:51:16,615 --> 01:51:20,055
I grew up in a predominantly spanish american catholic church.

1484
01:51:22,075 --> 01:51:25,875
the white population was only 10% of that church. And

1485
01:51:26,135 --> 01:51:30,075
I carried around a target on my head and that image is

1486
01:51:30,295 --> 01:51:34,215
not going away. So I can only imagine what the

1487
01:51:34,375 --> 01:51:38,275
immigrant community is doing now. I was here at

1488
01:51:38,495 --> 01:51:42,155
the last meeting. I heard about what you did at the first meeting, I guess third time's

1489
01:51:42,575 --> 01:51:46,225
the charm. But the action you're gonna take today

1490
01:51:46,595 --> 01:51:50,295
is divisive. It's not inclusive. And to the immigrant

1491
01:51:50,695 --> 01:51:54,015
community, perception is reality. It's open season on them. Again,

1492
01:51:55,675 --> 01:51:59,135
if they don't have their papers, they must be doing something wrong.

1493
01:52:00,035 --> 01:52:03,095
do I carry papers? No, I don't have to. I'm white.

1494
01:52:05,915 --> 01:52:09,735
and have you seen the films have been taken to these ice raids in

1495
01:52:09,935 --> 01:52:13,815
other cities in the united states? I mean, it looks like the

1496
01:52:14,015 --> 01:52:17,995
paratroopers have been dropped in and

1497
01:52:18,215 --> 01:52:22,095
in this one raid they came up with a total of one. Now that

1498
01:52:22,255 --> 01:52:25,375
ain't gonna make trump happy. He wants the quotas raised.

1499
01:52:26,675 --> 01:52:30,175
and that's what my concern is. Although though this resolution

1500
01:52:30,715 --> 01:52:34,695
be well may be well-meaning eventually it's gonna get to

1501
01:52:34,855 --> 01:52:38,835
the point. Well, if you're not in the right, you know, uh,

1502
01:52:39,055 --> 01:52:42,855
makeup and it looks like you might be not doing something right,

1503
01:52:43,345 --> 01:52:47,125
we're gonna pull you over. But what I would say is, I know this thing's

1504
01:52:47,445 --> 01:52:51,045
gonna pass, but why don't you do what you did with the homeless

1505
01:52:51,575 --> 01:52:55,405
situations. You had forums where people could talk

1506
01:52:56,665 --> 01:52:59,365
and if there's forums, you should be able to say going forward,

1507
01:53:00,795 --> 01:53:04,245
just how effective is this policy and what impact is this having?

1508
01:53:05,665 --> 01:53:09,385
am I up to two minutes? All right. Yeah, you are. Oh, I'm sorry. I had a lot more to say.

1509
01:53:10,565 --> 01:53:10,685
I understand.

1510
01:53:18,295 --> 01:53:21,115
after mr. Conti, we have jose cruz,

1511
01:53:22,335 --> 01:53:26,245
paris ortiz, and fabiola conti. If you guys can please stand in the middle aisle.

1512
01:53:26,815 --> 01:53:27,165
thank you.

1513
01:53:34,715 --> 01:53:38,485
okay. Uh, my name is dr. Sergio conti. I am

1514
01:53:39,685 --> 01:53:42,965
a resident cajon for district four .

1515
01:53:44,175 --> 01:53:48,165
sorry. Okay. And, uh, let me start saying that

1516
01:53:48,725 --> 01:53:52,035
undocumented people are human too. Okay?

1517
01:53:52,845 --> 01:53:56,625
I want you understand that my life in

1518
01:53:56,935 --> 01:54:00,805
cajon is, I like it. This is like a small war. You know, every monday

1519
01:54:01,205 --> 01:54:04,905
I go to main street and I buy, uh, for my favorite middle

1520
01:54:05,325 --> 01:54:09,245
eastern restaurant, the lamb czi delicious. On, on

1521
01:54:09,365 --> 01:54:13,285
wednesday, I go to my, uh, market restaurant

1522
01:54:13,705 --> 01:54:17,425
and main street too. And I like to buy iberia. And uh,

1523
01:54:18,195 --> 01:54:22,035
this is el cajon. There are 70 communities, I believe gary

1524
01:54:22,545 --> 01:54:26,445
say that living here. And I never saw a drug dealer. I

1525
01:54:26,565 --> 01:54:30,465
don't know if I'm lucky or you know, I go to renet park every, uh,

1526
01:54:30,685 --> 01:54:34,345
evening with my wife and little dog. And, uh, the arabs is,

1527
01:54:34,745 --> 01:54:38,325
are, um, saluting us. You know, the rest, a lot children,

1528
01:54:39,045 --> 01:54:42,965
children playing cricket, they came for afghanistan. You know, they play cricket. I don't know if you know that.

1529
01:54:43,665 --> 01:54:47,625
and we didn't have it. We never have this problem until mr.

1530
01:54:48,225 --> 01:54:51,855
uh, the mayor divide us. Now we are white again,

1531
01:54:52,255 --> 01:54:56,225
brown people. And you know why this is happening. El cajon has

1532
01:54:56,625 --> 01:55:00,465
113 years, and in 113 years, we

1533
01:55:00,685 --> 01:55:04,585
never have one council member who represent our community. We

1534
01:55:04,805 --> 01:55:08,165
are the 25% of the voters of el cajon are spanish.

1535
01:55:09,075 --> 01:55:13,005
everybody vote for mr. Ortiz. In the last election, I ask

1536
01:55:13,545 --> 01:55:17,515
my neighbor, he's from mexico, I said, why you vote for mr. Ortiz? Oh, he's

1537
01:55:17,805 --> 01:55:21,745
from mexico. He's not from mexico. He hate mexican people. And

1538
01:55:21,965 --> 01:55:25,845
we are going to recall you in 90 days on march 10, we have

1539
01:55:26,145 --> 01:55:29,845
the, the, the signature. You can't be there because you was elected

1540
01:55:30,425 --> 01:55:34,325
for the latino community and you hate us. And the people

1541
01:55:34,985 --> 01:55:38,775
are here. We just wanna work hard. We're

1542
01:55:39,145 --> 01:55:41,405
not criminal, mr. We're not criminal.

1543
01:55:56,335 --> 01:56:00,035
hello everyone. I'm here again. And I'm sad to say that I'm here again because

1544
01:56:01,145 --> 01:56:04,625
we thought we had settled this two weeks ago, but apparently not.

1545
01:56:05,465 --> 01:56:09,265
uh, I guess mr. Wells is getting a lot of pressure from upstairs, you

1546
01:56:09,485 --> 01:56:13,405
know, the new, uh, president and, uh, he's caving in. And then,

1547
01:56:14,625 --> 01:56:18,515
uh, and I feel for you, steve, I know I'm, I'm, I'm pretty sure you're getting a lot of nasty emails from

1548
01:56:19,365 --> 01:56:23,305
a lot of our friends on this side of the aisle here. But, uh,

1549
01:56:24,205 --> 01:56:27,465
I wanna say that this resolution is,

1550
01:56:28,785 --> 01:56:32,205
you know, you claim it's all about criminals and this and that.

1551
01:56:33,145 --> 01:56:37,005
why didn't you introduce this one, two or three years ago? You know, not until now, until

1552
01:56:37,325 --> 01:56:40,445
we have a new precedent, which with a different agenda and everything else

1553
01:56:41,725 --> 01:56:45,565
I have, I grew up, I grew up here in el cajon. And like I told

1554
01:56:45,805 --> 01:56:49,525
you my story before as a 14-year-old, I, you know,

1555
01:56:50,105 --> 01:56:53,205
we used to have a law here in el cajon exactly like what we wanna pass right now,

1556
01:56:54,215 --> 01:56:58,165
where they would just pull you over 'cause you're brown. They would, the cops,

1557
01:56:58,585 --> 01:57:02,445
the city police would pull you over and then they would call the border patrol,

1558
01:57:03,235 --> 01:57:07,145
wait, wait couple hours until they show up or whenever they wanted to show up to

1559
01:57:07,465 --> 01:57:11,445
ask you for your papers. And then just, you know, I know

1560
01:57:11,565 --> 01:57:15,045
that's gonna happen. Again, I know the law that you wanna pass

1561
01:57:15,865 --> 01:57:19,405
has good intentions. The, we already have a law where the police

1562
01:57:20,505 --> 01:57:24,245
can turn over criminals of any kind, legal, illegal,

1563
01:57:25,005 --> 01:57:29,005
whatever you wanna call them to the border patrol. So we, we already have something

1564
01:57:29,285 --> 01:57:33,165
in place. So I don't see the need for this to happen. I know I'm gonna get

1565
01:57:33,605 --> 01:57:37,365
discriminated again. Our community is not gonna be happy about it.

1566
01:57:37,745 --> 01:57:41,745
if any cop pulls me over, ask me for my papers, I'm gonna tell 'em to go f themselves. And

1567
01:57:41,965 --> 01:57:45,965
that's pretty much what I'm want to do. I don't wanna, I'm honestly don't wanna

1568
01:57:46,045 --> 01:57:49,885
be put in that situation just because I'm a brown person. I'm a law abiding,

1569
01:57:50,545 --> 01:57:54,085
uh, citizen of the united states, and I know my white friends

1570
01:57:54,735 --> 01:57:58,485
don't understand it. 'cause they have never been discriminated in that sense. So I,

1571
01:58:06,545 --> 01:58:09,895
so we, we have, we have paris ortiz,

1572
01:58:10,755 --> 01:58:12,365
fale conti and tom galloway.

1573
01:58:16,345 --> 01:58:20,245
and could you please state your name? Huh? Could you please state your name?

1574
01:58:20,775 --> 01:58:24,535
paris ortiz , uh, hello.

1575
01:58:25,125 --> 01:58:28,815
michelle tiz. Um, steve,

1576
01:58:29,345 --> 01:58:33,285
I'm sorry, I don't know how to say your name. Kendrick bill weathers.

1577
01:58:34,665 --> 01:58:38,375
um, vines. Vines vanes.

1578
01:58:39,105 --> 01:58:42,475
um, I'm, I'm so sorry. Graham. Graham, okay.

1579
01:58:43,705 --> 01:58:47,705
morgan, morgan, el and cortez. Yes.

1580
01:58:48,075 --> 01:58:52,045
okay. Hi. First time. Never done this before.

1581
01:58:52,865 --> 01:58:56,225
I'm a little scared. I only got, I only got one thing to say.

1582
01:58:57,685 --> 01:58:58,755
I don't wanna take anybody's time.

1583
01:59:04,745 --> 01:59:08,545
I had rather die on my knees than live on my knees.

1584
01:59:10,905 --> 01:59:14,905
emilio, if you know what

1585
01:59:14,985 --> 01:59:18,935
that means. . Yeah. Thank you so much. Yeah,

1586
01:59:19,325 --> 01:59:19,615
I'm here.

1587
01:59:30,765 --> 01:59:34,595
hi mayor. My name is faa conti. I'm a hospice nurse

1588
01:59:35,245 --> 01:59:39,245
and a proud mexican. I care for patient of

1589
01:59:39,465 --> 01:59:43,385
all races though 80% of my patients are on goza home

1590
01:59:44,285 --> 01:59:48,195
and only 20% are latino. This is because

1591
01:59:48,455 --> 01:59:52,355
my latino prefer to spend their time last, their last days with their families

1592
01:59:52,975 --> 01:59:54,755
and do not sit hospice care her.

1593
01:59:57,375 --> 02:00:00,905
I'm deeply proud of my work. Helping someone in the final days

1594
02:00:01,855 --> 02:00:04,675
is a role that requires special training and compassion,

1595
02:00:06,405 --> 02:00:10,075
which not too many possess here. It hurts me a lot

1596
02:00:10,495 --> 02:00:13,915
to see the fear that has great latino families.

1597
02:00:14,615 --> 02:00:18,195
and since president trump immigration, what is a crime?

1598
02:00:21,265 --> 02:00:25,215
working hard to do the jobs that others want. The

1599
02:00:25,465 --> 02:00:28,395
ones who repair the streets serves as a gardeners

1600
02:00:30,775 --> 02:00:33,675
and serving the restaurant is often not mexicans

1601
02:00:35,905 --> 02:00:39,145
streaming to provide for their families. They're working hard

1602
02:00:40,615 --> 02:00:44,415
may walls. How can you sleep at

1603
02:00:44,635 --> 02:00:48,495
night knowing the harm you are causing to the latino

1604
02:00:49,405 --> 02:00:53,315
sinon? This is not what

1605
02:00:53,515 --> 02:00:57,315
you elected, what we elected you for. A

1606
02:00:57,735 --> 02:01:01,595
has the power to july for dubai and you have chosen

1607
02:01:02,355 --> 02:01:06,145
division driving by head toward those with broken skin,

1608
02:01:07,565 --> 02:01:10,405
sorry, with bone skin. Mr. Ortiz

1609
02:01:12,405 --> 02:01:15,255
latino population elected you to be in this seat.

1610
02:01:16,565 --> 02:01:20,515
yes. And you already saw division and I'm sorry, michelle. I'm sorry steve.

1611
02:01:20,865 --> 02:01:24,865
and I'm sorry gary, because the last two weeks you received got hate that

1612
02:01:25,025 --> 02:01:28,885
we always receive. It's what we are here and speaking out

1613
02:01:39,215 --> 02:01:42,885
after, after mr. Galloway, we have linda,

1614
02:01:43,665 --> 02:01:47,485
alicia, and sarah thought I lost

1615
02:01:47,745 --> 02:01:51,345
my speech. Have you heard of 2 87

1616
02:01:52,405 --> 02:01:55,985
g I've heard of 54 something, but

1617
02:01:56,465 --> 02:02:00,245
2 87 g sir, can you state in front of the microphone please?

1618
02:02:00,905 --> 02:02:03,205
two eighty seven g is, is what you should be,

1619
02:02:06,385 --> 02:02:09,885
as should, should be. Where you're, you're looking in the ins

1620
02:02:10,705 --> 02:02:14,685
uh, rule books or laws actually. And mr. Foley has

1621
02:02:14,845 --> 02:02:18,665
the actual section of the law. So

1622
02:02:18,905 --> 02:02:22,765
2 87 and this, how much of this do you have

1623
02:02:23,065 --> 02:02:26,405
to pursue mass deportations?

1624
02:02:28,225 --> 02:02:30,485
and it isn't just the money.

1625
02:02:32,955 --> 02:02:36,715
some counties for their first year, and I think most

1626
02:02:37,005 --> 02:02:39,865
of the county problems here spent 6.4

1627
02:02:41,745 --> 02:02:42,275
to $4.8 million

1628
02:02:45,905 --> 02:02:49,305
on their portion of, uh, 2 87

1629
02:02:50,325 --> 02:02:54,305
g. They only thing that the federal government gives you

1630
02:02:55,665 --> 02:02:59,085
is the training, the transportation to the training

1631
02:03:00,265 --> 02:03:03,665
and the, uh, the equipment, the

1632
02:03:04,965 --> 02:03:08,465
computer programming for that. Otherwise, it's all

1633
02:03:09,025 --> 02:03:12,665
on the backs of the taxpayers in

1634
02:03:13,115 --> 02:03:16,925
this city. Are these

1635
02:03:17,125 --> 02:03:20,845
people gonna want you anymore? You know, I,

1636
02:03:21,165 --> 02:03:24,785
I don't believe in, in a san sanctuary city. Um,

1637
02:03:25,685 --> 02:03:29,265
I really believe in where the law ends, tyranny begins

1638
02:03:29,745 --> 02:03:33,225
and if you follow the law, 2 2 87 g and

1639
02:03:34,965 --> 02:03:38,905
whatever laws you have to look for, uh, what you're gonna be doing is

1640
02:03:39,135 --> 02:03:43,125
doing regular pe police work and not

1641
02:03:43,345 --> 02:03:47,305
sweeping, uh, areas and looking 'em

1642
02:03:47,425 --> 02:03:50,755
up. Uh, you'll be deputized by the federal government

1643
02:03:52,405 --> 02:03:55,325
and you can only do that. Uh,

1644
02:03:57,045 --> 02:04:00,745
mr. Foley will probably have hundreds

1645
02:04:01,845 --> 02:04:05,545
of, I'm sorry sir, your time. Okay. I hope,

1646
02:04:06,225 --> 02:04:09,625
I hope you can hire him. Uh, some help in the future,

1647
02:04:10,525 --> 02:04:11,465
sir. Thank you.

1648
02:04:19,395 --> 02:04:22,215
could you please state, state your name for us? Miss?

1649
02:04:23,525 --> 02:04:27,425
hi, I'm linda . Go ahead

1650
02:04:27,545 --> 02:04:31,075
linda. Um, first of all, I'd like to address, uh, their bill wells

1651
02:04:31,705 --> 02:04:35,405
publicly. Um, thank you for voting against the

1652
02:04:36,225 --> 02:04:40,085
sanctuary city. I oppose sanctuary cities and I know there's a few other of

1653
02:04:40,285 --> 02:04:44,165
your colleagues that opposed it. Thank you. Anybody else up here

1654
02:04:44,365 --> 02:04:48,005
on city council that would like to have it? A sanctuary city should be

1655
02:04:48,525 --> 02:04:52,405
arrested for defying president donald trump's orders. I'm mexican

1656
02:04:53,245 --> 02:04:56,455
american, third generation from hearing. As you can see, I brought old glory

1657
02:04:57,365 --> 02:05:01,065
'cause she's been through a lot. My whole family has fought in,

1658
02:05:01,425 --> 02:05:04,275
uh, world war I, world war ii, korea, vietnam,

1659
02:05:05,625 --> 02:05:09,605
and my son's in the army. And um, you know, I just wanna say that

1660
02:05:10,005 --> 02:05:13,965
I as a mexican here, I don't feel any hate. I

1661
02:05:14,085 --> 02:05:18,005
don't feel anybody's against me. You know, I thank you for making

1662
02:05:18,385 --> 02:05:22,105
us safe. And, um,

1663
02:05:22,725 --> 02:05:24,805
I have a few more minutes. Let me see my notes.

1664
02:05:31,585 --> 02:05:33,125
let see. I see, I see.

1665
02:05:40,985 --> 02:05:44,985
oh, all my family came here legally and it took a long time and

1666
02:05:45,205 --> 02:05:49,205
everybody should come here legally. Anybody that comes here illegally is a criminal

1667
02:05:50,065 --> 02:05:50,885
and should be set back.

1668
02:05:56,385 --> 02:05:59,645
and I'm not racist. I'm a mexican, but I'm american by blood.

1669
02:06:01,705 --> 02:06:05,665
yes, me hang, glory on

1670
02:06:05,885 --> 02:06:05,885
me,

1671
02:06:10,075 --> 02:06:13,835
lays and gentlemen. Let her speak. It's her time. Anybody

1672
02:06:14,325 --> 02:06:18,005
that wants to protest and burn our flag should be

1673
02:06:18,405 --> 02:06:18,635
arrested also.

1674
02:06:25,705 --> 02:06:29,565
and last but not least, this, uh, this is american soil

1675
02:06:29,865 --> 02:06:33,445
and will always be american soil. Thank you. Your time's up, ma'am. Thank you.

1676
02:06:34,335 --> 02:06:34,685
thank you.

1677
02:06:47,935 --> 02:06:51,165
hello mayor in city councils. Um, good evening.

1678
02:06:55,165 --> 02:06:58,355
I just wanted, my name is alicia. I'm a chicana,

1679
02:06:59,315 --> 02:07:02,835
born and raised here, a third generation born from a legal immigrant

1680
02:07:03,625 --> 02:07:07,485
mom. My grandparents came from mexico with my mother when

1681
02:07:07,765 --> 02:07:11,605
she was five years old. And all her 14 brothers and sisters

1682
02:07:12,315 --> 02:07:15,625
entered the usa legally. I have uncles

1683
02:07:16,585 --> 02:07:19,685
and and nephews who served in the military for this country,

1684
02:07:20,785 --> 02:07:24,545
but those who are rioting destroying property and burning the

1685
02:07:25,045 --> 02:07:28,965
american flag do not represent me. Such disrespect to our

1686
02:07:29,365 --> 02:07:33,045
military men and women, my family who served, and especially

1687
02:07:33,645 --> 02:07:36,245
the ones who their lives protecting the american people.

1688
02:07:37,965 --> 02:07:41,945
I agree with president trump, you the american flag. You should go to jail for one

1689
02:07:42,165 --> 02:07:45,745
year. And what's embarrassing is

1690
02:07:46,615 --> 02:07:49,955
those waving mexican flags. Can someone explain?

1691
02:07:51,555 --> 02:07:55,505
everybody yelling mexico, but still crying and

1692
02:07:55,885 --> 02:07:59,675
fighting not to go back and wanna be american citizens. Make

1693
02:07:59,965 --> 02:08:03,485
it make sense? Ladies and gentlemen,

1694
02:08:04,275 --> 02:08:08,125
come in the legal way and get in line. I love my god first, but I also love

1695
02:08:08,285 --> 02:08:12,245
this nation, this country that has given me so much. I can only be thankful

1696
02:08:12,625 --> 02:08:16,445
for all the opportunities and blessings, but we need

1697
02:08:16,645 --> 02:08:20,565
help to get all violent, illegal criminals out of our city and nation. We are

1698
02:08:20,725 --> 02:08:24,545
tired, our families are not safe. Human trafficking and crimes are all

1699
02:08:24,765 --> 02:08:28,145
time high. I agree and support our mayor bill wells on no

1700
02:08:28,805 --> 02:08:32,285
sanctuary cities. If police encount, illegal, violent

1701
02:08:32,925 --> 02:08:35,315
criminals, police should be able to notify ice immediately.

1702
02:08:36,985 --> 02:08:40,265
please, everyone here in the city council, do your job.

1703
02:08:41,555 --> 02:08:45,385
protect the american people. You got, you got voted in

1704
02:08:45,605 --> 02:08:49,285
for, to protect the american people and do what the american people

1705
02:08:49,665 --> 02:08:53,525
are asking you to do. You see the violence going on? I see

1706
02:08:53,725 --> 02:08:57,155
it through mike. I see it through my, okay, ladies and gentlemen, stop.

1707
02:08:58,505 --> 02:09:02,355
ladies and gentlemen. Alright,

1708
02:09:02,845 --> 02:09:06,725
we're gonna take a, a three minute break until you guys can get, get it

1709
02:09:06,965 --> 02:09:10,805
together and not interrupt this. And I'll, I'll continue to break all night long till

1710
02:09:11,185 --> 02:09:14,925
six in the morning if that's what we have to do. But I am not going to put up with you disrupting

1711
02:09:15,445 --> 02:09:19,085
these proceedings. Thank you. And god bless america.

1712
02:09:22,685 --> 02:09:23,285
I think it's gonna go longer.

1713
02:09:28,465 --> 02:09:30,445
ladies, I would like to attempt to continue meeting

1714
02:09:32,785 --> 02:09:34,185
if you could all take your seats and

1715
02:09:37,385 --> 02:09:37,605
be silent.

1716
02:09:44,425 --> 02:09:47,865
the next speakers are sarah, uh,

1717
02:09:50,035 --> 02:09:53,925
rado and eva pacheco, if you can please come down the aisle.

1718
02:09:59,805 --> 02:09:59,805
yeah,

1719
02:10:09,885 --> 02:10:12,425
good evening. Ready?

1720
02:10:13,965 --> 02:10:17,895
okay. Too bad some of the people are out of here that can't hear what's really

1721
02:10:17,975 --> 02:10:21,565
needs to go on. I was here. This is my second visit here

1722
02:10:22,035 --> 02:10:25,935
for the, this is my second visit here. Last time I

1723
02:10:26,055 --> 02:10:29,975
did not speak, I thought it was very important and I

1724
02:10:30,095 --> 02:10:33,725
wanted to, um, touch on some things that I've learned in just this two weeks.

1725
02:10:34,665 --> 02:10:38,475
but at first I would like to address my situation I had with

1726
02:10:38,765 --> 02:10:42,315
ms. Michelle. And if I hear any remarks,

1727
02:10:43,425 --> 02:10:46,985
you can leave . No, mr. Wells,

1728
02:10:47,645 --> 02:10:51,145
this is when the, they need to keep control because it's between me and her, and

1729
02:10:51,765 --> 02:10:54,165
actually her. Let's, let's go ahead and get started. Yeah.

1730
02:10:56,395 --> 02:10:59,645
anyways, I will look and I will say whatever, 'cause that's who I am.

1731
02:11:01,065 --> 02:11:04,645
bottom line is ms. Michelle, 'cause I can't pronounce her last name. Mitchell,

1732
02:11:05,825 --> 02:11:09,625
how do you pronounce your last name? Mitchell. Mitchell. I'm

1733
02:11:09,845 --> 02:11:13,605
sure you're aware of what happened and you don't want it to be known, but when

1734
02:11:13,925 --> 02:11:17,925
I spoke with you after this meeting, I just want the counsel to know I'm, I have to speed it up 'cause I have a

1735
02:11:18,005 --> 02:11:21,445
lot to say. Your per unprofessionalism and your

1736
02:11:22,435 --> 02:11:26,035
inability to protect me. After asking a question and hearing

1737
02:11:26,525 --> 02:11:30,445
people laugh about the first speaker that spoke on you, it's all true.

1738
02:11:30,715 --> 02:11:34,705
what happened? You did complain about being tired. You

1739
02:11:34,925 --> 02:11:38,155
needed to eat, you wanted to go home, you have menopause.

1740
02:11:39,465 --> 02:11:43,445
and too many people are talking and asking questions. And I personally said

1741
02:11:44,065 --> 02:11:48,045
it is, it does have everything to do with her being coherent. Ma'am. Enough to be,

1742
02:11:48,575 --> 02:11:52,365
ma'am, you just, just address the counsel. Ladies and gentlemen, I need you to have

1743
02:11:52,705 --> 02:11:56,285
the attention dropped. Hold on one second. Okay? Stop it. I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you some more time.

1744
02:11:56,825 --> 02:12:00,765
ladies and gentlemen, you have got to control yourself or you are not gonna get through this meeting until

1745
02:12:01,165 --> 02:12:03,975
tomorrow. I ma'am

1746
02:12:05,555 --> 02:12:09,445
it's not your time to speak except for business lines. Everybody gets a chance to

1747
02:12:09,645 --> 02:12:13,335
speak so we can do, we can do this however y'all

1748
02:12:13,685 --> 02:12:17,085
wanna do it, but I am not gonna let you run the meeting.

1749
02:12:17,905 --> 02:12:21,745
so why don't we just let everybody have their chance to speak? Sometimes people

1750
02:12:22,165 --> 02:12:25,845
are gonna say things you don't like. Sometimes people are gonna say things

1751
02:12:26,275 --> 02:12:30,085
they don't like. It's, it's just the way it goes. So let's

1752
02:12:30,605 --> 02:12:34,005
continue and I'll I'll give you 10 more seconds or so at the end.

1753
02:12:35,115 --> 02:12:38,925
I'll wait. Go ahead. Can you correct it? Wait, she can't,

1754
02:12:39,185 --> 02:12:43,185
she doesn't have the ability to do that. So I'll, I like to address that as a board member and any

1755
02:12:43,405 --> 02:12:47,375
council, you should be able to be aware of what's gonna be happening and not take favoritism.

1756
02:12:48,765 --> 02:12:52,685
I see a lot of favoritism. I see a lot of people signing to you and to the

1757
02:12:52,805 --> 02:12:56,665
board. Not this board, but last board. I see a lot of unprofessional

1758
02:12:58,285 --> 02:13:02,125
behavior. And if the job for you is to protect all of us,

1759
02:13:02,865 --> 02:13:06,805
not just certain people. That's what I'm addressing today. I had more to say

1760
02:13:07,025 --> 02:13:10,885
and maybe I'll come back and speak about it. Period. No, she gets a few more minutes,

1761
02:13:11,265 --> 02:13:14,805
few more seconds because you interrupted her. So you can take 15 more seconds if you'd like.

1762
02:13:15,765 --> 02:13:19,725
I have a lot to say. Maybe I'll come back. But as far as this, this whole

1763
02:13:19,925 --> 02:13:23,805
thing goes, I think that everybody should know that their vote today, or what

1764
02:13:24,045 --> 02:13:28,045
it is about today means the future for our children, for all

1765
02:13:28,245 --> 02:13:32,045
the criminals that are out there. We need to be safe no matter what color we are.

1766
02:13:32,745 --> 02:13:36,725
no matter where you come from, period. And not have favoritism to a group.

1767
02:13:38,205 --> 02:13:40,525
I be back in five minutes. We can calm down.

1768
02:13:42,465 --> 02:13:44,065
oh, . Um, gary's,

1769
02:13:48,205 --> 02:13:50,085
I continue meeting.

1770
02:13:53,865 --> 02:13:57,545
the good news is that we're down to the last, hey,

1771
02:13:59,275 --> 02:14:03,195
it's the hyundai speakers. We have left, sir, we have nine more speakers. Okay,

1772
02:14:03,485 --> 02:14:06,645
we have nine more speakers. That's 18 minutes of speaking.

1773
02:14:07,705 --> 02:14:11,685
and the, the meeting could be done pretty quickly and we could, uh, go about our lives.

1774
02:14:12,785 --> 02:14:16,365
but we have, we have have to have the quorum.

1775
02:14:17,105 --> 02:14:20,345
so I'm gonna continue again. Who's our next speaker? Um,

1776
02:14:21,185 --> 02:14:24,355
and I'm sorry, I know I'm saying this name wrong. Rado

1777
02:14:26,285 --> 02:14:28,115
eva pacheco and jesus pacheco.

1778
02:14:32,135 --> 02:14:35,965
councilman city members. I am here

1779
02:14:36,165 --> 02:14:40,125
today. My name's rado. I skipped school. I called

1780
02:14:40,285 --> 02:14:42,645
off work. I came down here, drove an hour with my friends.

1781
02:14:46,245 --> 02:14:49,815
I want to challenge the hateful rhetoric that has been spread throughout

1782
02:14:50,485 --> 02:14:53,785
this meeting and throughout the wording of the,

1783
02:14:54,585 --> 02:14:57,505
um, constellation in may, 2021.

1784
02:14:59,185 --> 02:15:02,605
my father, an illegal immigrant died due to complications

1785
02:15:03,885 --> 02:15:07,885
relating to diabetes. He died of a heart attack. And the reason

1786
02:15:08,165 --> 02:15:12,165
I bring this up was because I was not able to spend time with him.

1787
02:15:12,305 --> 02:15:16,225
and he was not able to get proper healthcare because he was afraid of

1788
02:15:16,745 --> 02:15:20,205
the, of getting profiled as a violent criminal. That

1789
02:15:20,895 --> 02:15:24,645
these individuals throughout this meeting have been calling

1790
02:15:25,375 --> 02:15:29,265
immigrants. The truth of the matter is we are not

1791
02:15:30,085 --> 02:15:33,955
criminals. And the biggest part, and something that really just

1792
02:15:34,995 --> 02:15:38,985
hurt me was in this text you called us illegal aliens. You

1793
02:15:39,205 --> 02:15:43,165
are telling us to calm down and to to be respectful in the very

1794
02:15:43,405 --> 02:15:46,645
writing you are calling us dehumanizing language

1795
02:15:47,745 --> 02:15:51,605
aliens. Aliens, not some things of, not of

1796
02:15:51,805 --> 02:15:55,625
this world. It's so

1797
02:15:55,845 --> 02:15:59,525
heartbreaking as a youth. And a lot of the people,

1798
02:16:00,045 --> 02:16:04,045
a lot of the youth that have came here today have spoken out about this consolation

1799
02:16:04,985 --> 02:16:08,785
and I I'm just how trying

1800
02:16:09,205 --> 02:16:12,765
to reach you as a human being. How could you treat us? Kids like me

1801
02:16:13,345 --> 02:16:16,505
who are separated from their fathers and their mothers as aliens,

1802
02:16:17,445 --> 02:16:21,385
treating their, their fathers and mothers as violent criminals. I'm

1803
02:16:21,605 --> 02:16:24,365
not a criminal, I'm a human. I have flesh and blood like you

1804
02:16:26,035 --> 02:16:26,035
viza.

1805
02:16:41,555 --> 02:16:44,325
here we go again for the third time.

1806
02:16:46,025 --> 02:16:49,955
and I would like mr. Gobel to be there because I really want

1807
02:16:50,245 --> 02:16:53,985
to talk to him. It's okay. He he needs to do something. So,

1808
02:16:54,705 --> 02:16:57,995
oh, he's coming back. Okay, he's coming. He needs to be because

1809
02:16:58,725 --> 02:17:01,925
I, I, I really, ladies and gentlemen, I'm time over

1810
02:17:02,785 --> 02:17:06,565
ladies and gentlemen. I do not wanna hear you calling out from the gallery.

1811
02:17:07,025 --> 02:17:10,045
we will stop again. I can do this all night.

1812
02:17:11,705 --> 02:17:15,685
if you can't behave, I'm gonna take the meeting up to the fifth floor. We'll invite the

1813
02:17:15,845 --> 02:17:19,125
press and we'll leave you out of it. 'cause you can't behave.

1814
02:17:20,425 --> 02:17:24,405
so this, this is the warning. I'm not, I'm not kidding around with

1815
02:17:24,605 --> 02:17:27,605
you. I'm happy to let you speak, but you gotta be respectful

1816
02:17:28,945 --> 02:17:32,165
now. Everybody's here. Please start our time over. Let's let her have the whole time.

1817
02:17:36,185 --> 02:17:40,165
do you know council members? Um, I've been praying for you. I really

1818
02:17:40,505 --> 02:17:43,895
do because we are here again

1819
02:17:44,665 --> 02:17:47,845
for this. The same situation.

1820
02:17:49,735 --> 02:17:53,385
there is no need for a resolution. Mr.

1821
02:17:53,975 --> 02:17:55,435
wills no need.

1822
02:17:58,065 --> 02:18:01,725
you very proud said I am.

1823
02:18:02,185 --> 02:18:06,105
I'm doing this because I need to respond to the people

1824
02:18:06,865 --> 02:18:10,725
who voted it for me. But you are the mayor

1825
02:18:11,025 --> 02:18:14,845
of el cajon. You represent, you represent

1826
02:18:15,185 --> 02:18:16,605
us. Even I didn't vote for you.

1827
02:18:20,225 --> 02:18:23,395
the only thing that I can say in my community,

1828
02:18:24,675 --> 02:18:27,035
what you have created is hate,

1829
02:18:29,115 --> 02:18:33,005
despair, division. That's what you have created

1830
02:18:34,675 --> 02:18:38,315
with this resolution that is nothing else

1831
02:18:38,865 --> 02:18:42,625
but your political career because you really

1832
02:18:43,195 --> 02:18:47,065
said that you met with to tom hoas. You

1833
02:18:47,475 --> 02:18:51,185
have to keep your commitment to him to

1834
02:18:51,515 --> 02:18:55,385
cooperate with eyes. That's what it is. And

1835
02:18:55,735 --> 02:18:59,305
who's and who you are targeting the latino

1836
02:18:59,995 --> 02:19:03,705
community. And we are already seeing mr.

1837
02:19:04,415 --> 02:19:08,325
gobel, I'm sorry that you change your

1838
02:19:08,635 --> 02:19:12,565
mind and you change your position, but I can tell you

1839
02:19:14,035 --> 02:19:17,925
this is not good for you. And everyone

1840
02:19:18,435 --> 02:19:20,995
here came to this country illegally.

1841
02:19:22,645 --> 02:19:25,745
everyone but the native, native

1842
02:19:26,805 --> 02:19:29,705
american, we are in a land of indigenous people.

1843
02:19:31,425 --> 02:19:34,205
and that's what we are sitting right now.

1844
02:19:35,635 --> 02:19:39,205
this land belongs to everyone. Thanks ma'am. Your time is up. Thank you.

1845
02:19:50,865 --> 02:19:53,945
hi all city council. Um, uh,

1846
02:19:55,115 --> 02:19:59,005
obviously, you know, uh, many of

1847
02:19:59,205 --> 02:20:03,085
us believe that the resolution, uh, there is

1848
02:20:03,245 --> 02:20:07,165
no purpose of the resolution because there is rule regulations and laws they addressed

1849
02:20:08,115 --> 02:20:11,105
that concerns all of us. Um,

1850
02:20:13,305 --> 02:20:17,075
but secondly is not good this resolution because

1851
02:20:17,705 --> 02:20:21,325
brings, uh, division and tension

1852
02:20:22,015 --> 02:20:25,885
among us as evidently I witnessed

1853
02:20:26,405 --> 02:20:30,155
that last, uh, at the last council meeting outside.

1854
02:20:32,225 --> 02:20:35,915
but I cannot assure, uh, michelle, that

1855
02:20:36,785 --> 02:20:40,765
we respect you because you are

1856
02:20:41,125 --> 02:20:44,665
taking a position of to serve the

1857
02:20:45,665 --> 02:20:49,655
entire community no matter what. Maybe

1858
02:20:50,005 --> 02:20:52,865
there is some disagreements, but

1859
02:20:54,345 --> 02:20:58,335
eh, justice will prevail and we stand

1860
02:20:59,225 --> 02:21:03,055
behind you a hundred percent. Thank

1861
02:21:03,405 --> 02:21:07,125
you for represent us that community. Thank you.

1862
02:21:08,225 --> 02:21:08,225
yes.

1863
02:21:14,385 --> 02:21:18,355
the next three speakers, the next three speakers are gambler,

1864
02:21:19,035 --> 02:21:21,475
matthew gordon and patrick hartley.

1865
02:21:32,385 --> 02:21:33,175
let's go to the next one.

1866
02:21:38,605 --> 02:21:40,275
I don't think mr. Gambler's here. He's

1867
02:21:43,875 --> 02:21:47,815
go ahead sir. And if you can please state your name. Oh, there, go, go ahead

1868
02:21:47,995 --> 02:21:51,345
sir. Yeah. Good evening. Mayor wells,

1869
02:21:52,035 --> 02:21:55,975
uh, council members. Uh, my name is matthew gordon. I'm district director

1870
02:21:56,205 --> 02:22:00,095
here on behalf of state assembly member dr. Lashay sharp

1871
02:22:00,445 --> 02:22:02,885
collins. Um, I'm here to read,

1872
02:22:05,505 --> 02:22:09,505
start the time. Oh, I'm here to read a couple of, uh, brief,

1873
02:22:10,115 --> 02:22:13,795
uh, remarks. And I'll be speaking, uh, against the

1874
02:22:14,255 --> 02:22:17,575
resolution. Uh, as the assembly member

1875
02:22:18,615 --> 02:22:22,215
representing our diverse communities, I commend your willingness to revisit this matter

1876
02:22:22,955 --> 02:22:26,375
and appreciate the opportunity to share my perspective. California

1877
02:22:27,105 --> 02:22:31,045
has a long tradition of standing for dignity and wellbeing of every

1878
02:22:31,365 --> 02:22:35,365
individual, regardless, regardless of their place of birth.

1879
02:22:36,845 --> 02:22:40,705
sb 54 continues that tradition by clarifying the role of local law

1880
02:22:40,925 --> 02:22:44,525
enforcement, cultivating trust, and remaining committed to inclusion

1881
02:22:45,985 --> 02:22:49,565
in el cajon. Many families, immigrant and non-immigrant

1882
02:22:50,335 --> 02:22:54,045
alike work hard each and every day to build better lives

1883
02:22:54,825 --> 02:22:58,245
by promoting policies that respect and protect all residents.

1884
02:22:59,145 --> 02:23:02,375
we send a message that every person in our community has worth

1885
02:23:03,225 --> 02:23:07,165
and is deserving of security and opportunity. I recognize

1886
02:23:07,595 --> 02:23:10,605
that issues related to immigration can spark strong emotions,

1887
02:23:11,705 --> 02:23:15,605
yet at their core, these are human stories about families determined to

1888
02:23:15,765 --> 02:23:19,705
provide for their children. Young people striving to contribute to

1889
02:23:19,925 --> 02:23:23,865
the city that they call home. And neighbors whose cultures and experience enrich

1890
02:23:24,385 --> 02:23:28,165
the very fabric of our neighborhoods. When we foster trust and

1891
02:23:28,765 --> 02:23:31,845
security among all residents, we build safer, stronger neighborhoods.

1892
02:23:33,185 --> 02:23:36,235
it is only through empathy and the collaboration rather than fear

1893
02:23:37,755 --> 02:23:41,525
that we can truly harness the pot, the potential of this city's

1894
02:23:41,925 --> 02:23:45,745
diversity. By moving forward with an inclusive perspective, el cajon has

1895
02:23:45,965 --> 02:23:49,805
the opportunity to shine as a community that welcomes every individual

1896
02:23:50,665 --> 02:23:54,405
and offers a fair chance for all to succeed. Thank you for your

1897
02:23:54,885 --> 02:23:58,785
consideration and for your commitment to serving all residents of

1898
02:23:59,025 --> 02:24:02,905
el cajon. I stand ready to work with you to

1899
02:24:03,125 --> 02:24:06,395
foster a future that reflects our shared values of dignity, dignity,

1900
02:24:07,275 --> 02:24:09,765
respect, and opportunity for every person in our community.

1901
02:24:24,785 --> 02:24:27,165
um, thank you, honorable mayor and, uh, city council.

1902
02:24:29,225 --> 02:24:33,125
um, unfortunately, voting no on this proposal does not

1903
02:24:33,245 --> 02:24:37,045
get ice out of our community. Ice is already in this community.

1904
02:24:37,625 --> 02:24:41,605
ice can and will continue to operate in el cajon, but we don't need our

1905
02:24:41,805 --> 02:24:45,085
police officers collaborating with ice to terrorize our residents.

1906
02:24:45,815 --> 02:24:48,865
state and local police still enforce state and local law

1907
02:24:49,925 --> 02:24:53,745
criminal laws against anyone. Even in california, local law enforcement is

1908
02:24:54,285 --> 02:24:58,055
directed to notify ice. If the defendant is convicted of a violent crime.

1909
02:24:58,715 --> 02:25:02,535
officials still send fingerprints of anyone arrested to the fbi, which

1910
02:25:02,885 --> 02:25:06,805
the fbi can choose to share with ice. Nearly all of california cities

1911
02:25:07,145 --> 02:25:09,965
and counties are complying with state law, which makes it illegal

1912
02:25:11,465 --> 02:25:15,405
for them to assist ice. I urge you to

1913
02:25:15,525 --> 02:25:17,965
vote no on this xenophobic resolution.

1914
02:25:19,575 --> 02:25:23,165
immigrants contribute a hundred billion to the american economy in 2022.

1915
02:25:23,845 --> 02:25:26,845
that's from bloomberg, 8.7 billion in california.

1916
02:25:28,105 --> 02:25:31,985
the lady early, earlier claimed that she saw a bus full of military age

1917
02:25:32,265 --> 02:25:35,765
men. That's fear-mongering. Did they do do anything to her?

1918
02:25:36,665 --> 02:25:40,485
did they say anything? Did you talk to them? Did did they make you feel

1919
02:25:40,675 --> 02:25:44,365
fear or did they just make you feel uncomfortable? You have the right,

1920
02:25:45,025 --> 02:25:48,725
you don't have the right to intellectual safety. The first amendment doesn't protect

1921
02:25:49,395 --> 02:25:53,205
from being uncomfortable just because people of a different color or different

1922
02:25:53,805 --> 02:25:57,365
religion or different nationality or have different opinions make you uncomfortable,

1923
02:25:58,555 --> 02:26:02,485
does not violate any laws. People out here are talking

1924
02:26:02,725 --> 02:26:06,685
about they need protection. Protect you from what people who just want to go

1925
02:26:06,805 --> 02:26:10,715
to school protect you from going to work to jobs. That, let's be honest, most

1926
02:26:11,005 --> 02:26:14,865
white people won't do themselves. Everyone is complaining about people

1927
02:26:15,285 --> 02:26:18,835
coming here from certain countries because america

1928
02:26:19,725 --> 02:26:23,575
destabilizes and assassinates leaders in most, in those countries, we're

1929
02:26:23,925 --> 02:26:27,675
not willing to omi. But we don't want to have that conversation. We'd rather it's

1930
02:26:27,965 --> 02:26:31,725
easier to blame americans. Problems on. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it.

1931
02:26:32,255 --> 02:26:32,605
thank you

1932
02:26:43,835 --> 02:26:47,815
gambler here. I understand our elections have been screwed

1933
02:26:48,095 --> 02:26:52,015
up for a very long time, which allowed you guys to go ahead and fight with the federal government.

1934
02:26:53,535 --> 02:26:57,125
I actually don't care if you guys go ahead and tell

1935
02:26:57,795 --> 02:27:01,695
all the police officers not to communicate with life because actually that

1936
02:27:01,935 --> 02:27:05,695
will help out in deporting people because we won't

1937
02:27:05,975 --> 02:27:09,455
be deporting them from the prison. We'll be deporting them from houses.

1938
02:27:10,835 --> 02:27:14,425
and this is exactly what everyone here that is protesting wants.

1939
02:27:15,605 --> 02:27:19,245
they want the cops to go to a household and make

1940
02:27:19,695 --> 02:27:23,595
a scene so that we could go ahead and further divide our

1941
02:27:23,815 --> 02:27:27,775
nation. And that is what you guys have been doing for the past, what, four

1942
02:27:28,015 --> 02:27:31,655
years until suddenly donald trump becomes president. And then you have

1943
02:27:32,055 --> 02:27:35,855
a moral epiphany that you guys all of a sudden

1944
02:27:36,085 --> 02:27:39,935
have ball to go ahead and say something. Well, I've

1945
02:27:40,175 --> 02:27:44,175
been saying s**t to the point that the county has thrown me in jail because I want to talk

1946
02:27:44,295 --> 02:27:48,215
about election fraud and they don't want to talk about it. I've asked you to go ahead and look

1947
02:27:48,375 --> 02:27:52,195
into the election fraud that is coming from homeless facilities that you

1948
02:27:53,075 --> 02:27:55,535
ran around and grabbed from all over the county in 2020.

1949
02:27:57,135 --> 02:28:01,035
I know you did that. You told all of san diego that bring you the

1950
02:28:01,495 --> 02:28:05,335
homeless. So why did you do that? So that you can make sure that you keep your seat

1951
02:28:05,675 --> 02:28:09,415
by registration voter fraud so that you could go ahead and push these,

1952
02:28:10,245 --> 02:28:14,245
this division that we have. Is that the reason? Because

1953
02:28:15,035 --> 02:28:18,795
you're just phony right now. You

1954
02:28:19,295 --> 02:28:23,185
recognize that, right? You recognize that we could look back in the past three, four or four years and

1955
02:28:23,405 --> 02:28:27,285
see the fact that you supported most of this s**t, that you went ahead and went

1956
02:28:27,525 --> 02:28:31,445
along with these ideas, that you went ahead and tried to go ahead and

1957
02:28:31,645 --> 02:28:35,645
make a friendly bike lane in front of a frigging hell's angels bar so that

1958
02:28:35,765 --> 02:28:39,725
you could have fights out in front of that, shortening out the speed

1959
02:28:39,945 --> 02:28:43,825
so that we could go ahead and have traffic p**s off people so that we start getting angry at

1960
02:28:44,045 --> 02:28:47,325
each other. These are actions that you thanks mr. Gammar, appreciate it.

1961
02:28:53,145 --> 02:28:56,735
um, before I called the last three speakers, we did receive seven

1962
02:28:57,385 --> 02:29:01,345
emails, which I did forward to you. Six were against, and one

1963
02:29:01,565 --> 02:29:05,085
in support of the post. Thank, thank you. I appreciate it. And the last three speakers

1964
02:29:05,585 --> 02:29:08,905
are elena clemente, jose una, and

1965
02:29:09,665 --> 02:29:10,245
jim uribe

1966
02:29:19,785 --> 02:29:23,735
will not be speaking. Elena. Okay. Elena will not be speaking. So

1967
02:29:24,055 --> 02:29:27,835
if mr. Jose kuna and jim uribe could please come down.

1968
02:29:33,585 --> 02:29:37,005
hi, my name is jose. I'm a proud us citizen. I'm a proud immigrant.

1969
02:29:37,965 --> 02:29:41,675
I came to this country at three years old and it's been a journey defined by hard work, but also luck.

1970
02:29:42,645 --> 02:29:46,365
I was lucky my father was giving a visa to enter and I was lucky he was sponsored over his green card.

1971
02:29:46,745 --> 02:29:50,485
but it was hard work that admitted me to great schools and hard work that enables me to write code

1972
02:29:50,765 --> 02:29:54,765
shipped to billions of people more. I mo most immigrants love this

1973
02:29:54,965 --> 02:29:58,325
country and would love to come here legally, but many are not so fortunate.

1974
02:29:59,235 --> 02:30:03,165
without said luck, I could easily be seen as an enemy, as an illegal who didn't

1975
02:30:03,445 --> 02:30:07,005
do things the right way. Had I not secured citizenship before this administration

1976
02:30:07,865 --> 02:30:11,815
and the resolution being proposed today, a single call to ice a single accusation

1977
02:30:12,885 --> 02:30:16,885
would've been disastrous. We all know that detention camps abroad are not meant to

1978
02:30:17,045 --> 02:30:20,405
empower due process. The law is already written to hold undocumented

1979
02:30:21,215 --> 02:30:25,015
immigrants accountable. If they break the law, they can be arrested, prosecuted

1980
02:30:25,745 --> 02:30:29,645
and deported. Strengthening law, law enforcement, local law enforcement, ties to

1981
02:30:29,845 --> 02:30:33,845
ice will not improve safety, which is something we all want, but will not be

1982
02:30:34,165 --> 02:30:38,085
achieved through the resolution. Your intent is to target violent criminals. And the

1983
02:30:38,245 --> 02:30:41,765
reality is a yes vote will only hurt innocent lives, spread fear

1984
02:30:42,265 --> 02:30:46,165
and divide communities. We need policies that foster unity and not suspicion

1985
02:30:47,185 --> 02:30:51,145
the proposed changes would needlessly hurt and already marginalized community of law

1986
02:30:51,365 --> 02:30:54,985
abiding immigrants who simply haven't had the chance to be, uh, chance

1987
02:30:55,425 --> 02:30:58,885
to be on a given pathway to legal status. Yet, because us immigrants

1988
02:31:00,005 --> 02:31:03,925
documents or undocumented are not the enemy, statistically we commit crimes

1989
02:31:04,265 --> 02:31:08,205
at a lower rate to the non-immigrants. We are hard workers who just want to give

1990
02:31:08,325 --> 02:31:12,325
our children the opportunities we didn't have ourselves. And I asked the council,

1991
02:31:13,025 --> 02:31:16,885
how is that so different than how you guys live your lives? I urge you to vote no on the

1992
02:31:17,125 --> 02:31:18,245
resolution. Thank you.

1993
02:31:29,835 --> 02:31:33,725
well, sir, council members, uh, first of all, I

1994
02:31:33,845 --> 02:31:37,595
do support the, uh, proposed resolutions. However, I do wish that

1995
02:31:37,885 --> 02:31:41,645
there had been a change and that change would've been in that first section,

1996
02:31:42,015 --> 02:31:45,965
which reads, uh, city intends to follow,

1997
02:31:46,625 --> 02:31:49,685
uh, federal law. It should have said the city

1998
02:31:50,675 --> 02:31:54,645
will make an effort in following the law, the federal

1999
02:31:55,065 --> 02:31:58,985
law. Now, I was brought up where the, uh,

2000
02:31:59,435 --> 02:32:02,515
federal law supersedes, uh, state and local laws.

2001
02:32:03,705 --> 02:32:07,005
and this was brought up in our constitution in article

2002
02:32:07,745 --> 02:32:11,075
six, uh, paragraph to where the, uh, federal

2003
02:32:11,945 --> 02:32:14,645
law supersedes the other laws in the land.

2004
02:32:15,985 --> 02:32:15,985
um,

2005
02:32:20,345 --> 02:32:24,285
now I'm not an attorney, but I know how to read the law. Uh, senate

2006
02:32:24,715 --> 02:32:28,665
bill, uh, 54th, I believe needs to

2007
02:32:28,885 --> 02:32:31,785
be tested in the courts, uh, system.

2008
02:32:33,385 --> 02:32:37,385
um, I believe that this is not a legal issue. We,

2009
02:32:37,745 --> 02:32:41,505
we all know the law. It's not a legal issue, but

2010
02:32:41,875 --> 02:32:45,845
it's a social issue. Now, I've been, I've lived in the

2011
02:32:45,965 --> 02:32:49,465
city of el cajon for over 50 years. I know there's a lot of, uh,

2012
02:32:50,035 --> 02:32:53,925
turmoil and social issues, but this is not a

2013
02:32:54,045 --> 02:32:57,405
legal issue. Thank you. Thank you. Questions.

2014
02:32:58,655 --> 02:33:01,135
thank you, sir. Mayor,

2015
02:33:03,495 --> 02:33:07,465
mayor, with your permission, if we could call one speaker who was called before, um,

2016
02:33:07,905 --> 02:33:11,805
but she missed her opportunity to speak. Okay. And that's the last one though. Okay. This is the last

2017
02:33:11,925 --> 02:33:15,885
one. Julianne gustafson. Hi. Thank you

2018
02:33:16,005 --> 02:33:19,755
very much for allowing me to speak. My name is julianne gustafson

2019
02:33:20,515 --> 02:33:23,405
lira. Uh, in 1931,

2020
02:33:25,305 --> 02:33:29,125
uh, mexicans were rounded up from hospitals,

2021
02:33:30,265 --> 02:33:34,245
cities, homes. They, they went out

2022
02:33:34,445 --> 02:33:37,995
to the fields, they picked the people up, they

2023
02:33:38,675 --> 02:33:41,995
summarily put them in in box cart,

2024
02:33:42,945 --> 02:33:46,705
in, in trucks, and they trucked them summarily to

2025
02:33:47,085 --> 02:33:50,985
mexico primarily. Those were the ones that were, uh,

2026
02:33:51,985 --> 02:33:55,615
uh, pointed at as, uh, having being

2027
02:33:56,025 --> 02:33:59,925
too many here or having problems, or giving problems to the

2028
02:34:00,125 --> 02:34:03,565
people. Anyway, uh, one of 'em was my grandfather.

2029
02:34:04,625 --> 02:34:08,205
he was, uh, taken out of the hospital, sent to mexico

2030
02:34:08,675 --> 02:34:11,885
city. He wasn't from mexico city. Um, my grandmother,

2031
02:34:13,065 --> 02:34:17,045
uh, despairing, she went after him with my mother

2032
02:34:17,665 --> 02:34:21,545
and my aunt. Both of them were born in the united states. One

2033
02:34:21,765 --> 02:34:25,045
of 'em was in 1923, the other one was in 1926.

2034
02:34:26,435 --> 02:34:30,275
they have been here. They had been here since 1915. What

2035
02:34:30,585 --> 02:34:34,275
I'm trying to say is that, uh, uh, people that

2036
02:34:34,625 --> 02:34:38,325
do not learn history and do not remember history,

2037
02:34:39,065 --> 02:34:42,225
it will be, it will be, uh, as we can see,

2038
02:34:43,215 --> 02:34:46,955
it'll be done again. And we need to learn from that. Uh, it's

2039
02:34:47,245 --> 02:34:50,565
kind of interesting to, um, say that

2040
02:34:51,275 --> 02:34:54,795
federal law trumps, uh, state laws

2041
02:34:55,435 --> 02:34:59,045
when it is, uh, to our convenience and when we wanna pass something.

2042
02:34:59,945 --> 02:35:03,005
we returned back to this country in 1954

2043
02:35:04,625 --> 02:35:08,375
and we have prospered. That's all I have to say. Thank

2044
02:35:08,725 --> 02:35:08,725
you.

2045
02:35:18,345 --> 02:35:22,195
was there any more? No more, sir. Okay.

2046
02:35:23,275 --> 02:35:26,455
back to the city council. Um, open to discussion,

2047
02:35:28,345 --> 02:35:31,925
mr. Garrett. Uh, question for the city attorney.

2048
02:35:33,665 --> 02:35:37,545
uh, sb 54 was challenged in

2049
02:35:37,765 --> 02:35:41,345
federal court, uh, back in 2017,

2050
02:35:42,685 --> 02:35:46,645
I think. Uh, and could you

2051
02:35:46,765 --> 02:35:50,525
tell us a little bit about that? I will

2052
02:35:50,785 --> 02:35:54,625
try the ss yes. Sb 54 was challenged, um, by

2053
02:35:54,845 --> 02:35:58,705
the federal government and in a federal court here in,

2054
02:35:58,985 --> 02:36:02,965
um, california. And I got

2055
02:36:03,125 --> 02:36:06,935
a lot of feedback apparently. But, um, the case ended

2056
02:36:07,285 --> 02:36:10,265
up through district court, uh, being ruled, um,

2057
02:36:11,765 --> 02:36:15,605
constitutional, uh, with certain limitations. There were, there was

2058
02:36:15,805 --> 02:36:19,765
a portion of, lemme take it back. There were three laws that were challenged at the same time,

2059
02:36:19,985 --> 02:36:23,665
all related to similar immigration issues. Um,

2060
02:36:25,335 --> 02:36:29,255
after the district court made its decision that the, uh, ninth circuit court

2061
02:36:30,525 --> 02:36:34,485
panel, uh, affirmed the, uh,

2062
02:36:35,105 --> 02:36:38,585
constitutionality of sb 54 in the light of the challenge by the us government

2063
02:36:39,645 --> 02:36:43,585
and the us government petition for, um, review by the

2064
02:36:44,005 --> 02:36:47,165
us supreme court. And that was denied. So

2065
02:36:48,085 --> 02:36:51,345
the, the ninth circuit law for us

2066
02:36:52,165 --> 02:36:56,125
is at sb 54 is legal. So

2067
02:36:56,345 --> 02:37:00,185
the federal court said it is legal and that's

2068
02:37:00,385 --> 02:37:04,105
the law of the land in california. Yeah, they said

2069
02:37:04,425 --> 02:37:07,745
that the, um, there were a lot of arguments made by the us government.

2070
02:37:08,805 --> 02:37:12,185
uh, one was a supremacy clause of the us constitution.

2071
02:37:13,075 --> 02:37:16,325
we've heard that, uh, being used in this, these proceedings.

2072
02:37:17,665 --> 02:37:20,895
the court found that, um, that that did not apply.

2073
02:37:21,705 --> 02:37:25,335
it applied to immigration law itself, but does not apply

2074
02:37:25,745 --> 02:37:29,625
to state laws that aren't in conflict with that, uh,

2075
02:37:30,075 --> 02:37:33,605
that, uh, federal law and went to great,

2076
02:37:34,245 --> 02:37:38,185
a great amount of detail to describe how that did not apply in

2077
02:37:38,405 --> 02:37:41,685
this case. And, uh, that helped to affirm,

2078
02:37:42,865 --> 02:37:45,725
um, the, uh, validity of sb 54.

2079
02:37:46,895 --> 02:37:50,895
there was, there was a, there was a description of violations of

2080
02:37:51,055 --> 02:37:54,955
the constitution of, of, um, if, if it, if

2081
02:37:55,175 --> 02:37:57,745
the us government could, could

2082
02:38:00,625 --> 02:38:04,375
place its, well if the uf us government could take its position that the supremacy

2083
02:38:04,775 --> 02:38:08,695
clause allowed them to seek the cooperation and assistance of

2084
02:38:09,035 --> 02:38:12,755
law enforcement agencies, which sb 54 said, no, that's

2085
02:38:13,195 --> 02:38:16,995
not what's gonna happen. Uh, and the,

2086
02:38:17,275 --> 02:38:20,915
um, the court found that the 10th amendment against come, uh,

2087
02:38:21,485 --> 02:38:25,475
commandeering. In other words, the separation of powers between the

2088
02:38:25,695 --> 02:38:29,445
state and federal governments, uh, provides that the, the feds

2089
02:38:29,745 --> 02:38:33,655
can't step into the state's business, the local government

2090
02:38:34,355 --> 02:38:38,255
and the state's businesses and, uh, that are reserved to the states under

2091
02:38:38,575 --> 02:38:42,185
the constitution. Okay. Um,

2092
02:38:43,465 --> 02:38:45,605
but again, that's the law of the land. What sb 54

2093
02:38:47,785 --> 02:38:51,725
and, uh, question

2094
02:38:51,905 --> 02:38:55,425
for the city manager, if this resolution passes,

2095
02:38:57,635 --> 02:39:01,525
what would be different in that, what we would do in, uh, ordering

2096
02:39:02,085 --> 02:39:03,485
the police procedures and policy?

2097
02:39:06,425 --> 02:39:10,155
so, so as, you know, in a council manager form of government, the city council establishes

2098
02:39:10,845 --> 02:39:14,535
policy and the city manager and staff then, um, administer

2099
02:39:15,205 --> 02:39:19,105
that policy or, or implement that policy. The, on

2100
02:39:19,325 --> 02:39:23,225
a day-to-day function, our operations wouldn't change with or without the

2101
02:39:24,325 --> 02:39:28,165
resolution. But with a lot of resolutions, there's some value in at least staff

2102
02:39:28,485 --> 02:39:32,205
understanding the policy description of the, or the policy direction

2103
02:39:32,805 --> 02:39:36,525
of the council, especially 'cause we can foresee some parts of

2104
02:39:36,885 --> 02:39:40,685
sb 54 being challenged. We can see that this conflict between the state and federal government

2105
02:39:41,245 --> 02:39:45,205
becoming more embroiled and more complicated. So having an understanding of where the

2106
02:39:45,325 --> 02:39:49,265
council feels about it has some value to us. But

2107
02:39:49,505 --> 02:39:53,165
on a day-to-day operation, uh, we don't change the way we operate

2108
02:39:53,805 --> 02:39:57,425
tomorrow if this passes today. Okay. And, uh,

2109
02:39:58,005 --> 02:40:00,865
question for the city attorney. Uh, there was some mis misinformation

2110
02:40:02,025 --> 02:40:04,875
to distributed saying that we were a sanctuary city.

2111
02:40:06,505 --> 02:40:10,435
are we a sanctuary city? No, we have

2112
02:40:10,725 --> 02:40:14,505
never. In the 25 years I've been the ladies

2113
02:40:14,985 --> 02:40:18,885
and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, please. In the nearly 25 years that I have been

2114
02:40:19,005 --> 02:40:22,965
city attorney, not once has the council adopted a resolution

2115
02:40:23,285 --> 02:40:27,045
ordinance or anything else policy that says that the city is a

2116
02:40:27,485 --> 02:40:30,985
sanctuary city. Okay, thank you.

2117
02:40:32,885 --> 02:40:35,325
oh, I I do have one more question, uh,

2118
02:40:37,515 --> 02:40:41,375
for either the city manager or uh, city attorney,

2119
02:40:41,825 --> 02:40:45,695
which whichever one of you feel is most appropriate to answer

2120
02:40:45,935 --> 02:40:49,775
it. Our police are certified by the state,

2121
02:40:50,135 --> 02:40:53,865
aren't they? Through post they

2122
02:40:54,155 --> 02:40:56,655
receive a post cer certification. Yes. So

2123
02:40:58,495 --> 02:41:01,415
if a police officer, uh,

2124
02:41:03,545 --> 02:41:07,495
violate sb uh, 54, uh,

2125
02:41:07,935 --> 02:41:11,655
is it possible that their certification could be removed and

2126
02:41:12,985 --> 02:41:15,755
they can't be a police officer in the state of california anymore?

2127
02:41:19,495 --> 02:41:23,315
as I recall, the state has the ability to prosecute police officers.

2128
02:41:23,875 --> 02:41:27,875
I don't recall what that potential punishment includes. Does it

2129
02:41:28,145 --> 02:41:31,755
include decertify de certifying them with their post certificate?

2130
02:41:33,245 --> 02:41:36,995
there may be a provision in there. I know some council members spend a lot of time looking at

2131
02:41:37,275 --> 02:41:41,275
sb 54 2. Um, so I don't know if the answer to that, but I could find it by the end of

2132
02:41:41,355 --> 02:41:44,985
the meeting. Okay, thank you. Anybody

2133
02:41:45,475 --> 02:41:49,115
else? Oh, I do have, I'll say one other thing.

2134
02:41:50,095 --> 02:41:53,915
and this is in defense of michelle mitchell, who I've been talking to a lot

2135
02:41:54,445 --> 02:41:58,395
about this. I just want to tell you some of

2136
02:41:58,615 --> 02:42:02,455
the messages that were left on

2137
02:42:02,955 --> 02:42:06,935
michelle, I can only talk to one other council member about this issue. So

2138
02:42:07,155 --> 02:42:11,155
I don't know if steve got these or not, but I'm just gonna

2139
02:42:11,385 --> 02:42:15,035
read some excerpts from this, from some of the phone messages

2140
02:42:15,955 --> 02:42:19,945
I got on my city, uh, phone line.

2141
02:42:21,335 --> 02:42:23,945
I'm not gonna read it all 'cause it is so profane.

2142
02:42:25,575 --> 02:42:28,715
uh, it's, it just disgusting. So I'm gonna just take some excerpts.

2143
02:42:32,055 --> 02:42:35,875
hi gary. You're a retarded fat piece of s and I'm gonna make sure

2144
02:42:36,075 --> 02:42:39,215
that everyone knows about that vote you made. Uh,

2145
02:42:41,295 --> 02:42:45,275
why did you vote? Here's another one. Why did you vote no to get

2146
02:42:45,575 --> 02:42:48,895
rid of all the dirty stinking illegal aliens?

2147
02:42:50,905 --> 02:42:51,755
they cause problems.

2148
02:42:56,695 --> 02:43:00,475
the majority. Here's another one. The majority of you are traitors to this

2149
02:43:00,875 --> 02:43:03,195
country and all your information is public.

2150
02:43:07,255 --> 02:43:10,965
uh, you are a retarded people who causing permanent damage

2151
02:43:11,265 --> 02:43:14,445
to everybody around you through your ignorant retardation.

2152
02:43:16,185 --> 02:43:18,585
you fing idiot. Here's another one.

2153
02:43:20,505 --> 02:43:24,165
gda you to fing hell. And your mother

2154
02:43:24,745 --> 02:43:28,665
is a fing w***e. So,

2155
02:43:29,145 --> 02:43:32,845
uh, if someone, I, I've been in public office

2156
02:43:33,265 --> 02:43:36,395
for 25 years, so I have a pretty thick skin.

2157
02:43:37,765 --> 02:43:41,245
michelle's been here four years and she's a kind, compassionate person.

2158
02:43:43,785 --> 02:43:47,665
and these kind of comments can

2159
02:43:47,885 --> 02:43:51,645
really get to somebody. And this is only a few of them.

2160
02:43:52,025 --> 02:43:55,965
we got lots of comments and emails like this. And I

2161
02:43:56,085 --> 02:44:00,045
am disgusted that as such of an attack on the democratic

2162
02:44:00,605 --> 02:44:04,595
process through, through

2163
02:44:05,085 --> 02:44:08,905
this, these attempts at intimidation and the

2164
02:44:09,125 --> 02:44:12,355
threats that completely against

2165
02:44:14,205 --> 02:44:17,945
american democracy. So, uh,

2166
02:44:19,185 --> 02:44:22,645
if any of you know any of these people, why don't you have a word with them?

2167
02:44:23,335 --> 02:44:23,685
thank you,

2168
02:44:35,385 --> 02:44:39,125
mr. Well, I have the answer to mr. Kendrick's question. Sure. So, sb 54

2169
02:44:39,485 --> 02:44:43,165
does not expressly, um, dd

2170
02:44:43,925 --> 02:44:46,805
certify a police officer. But under the post requirements

2171
02:44:48,095 --> 02:44:51,685
under sb two, there are some provisions that say if you violate

2172
02:44:52,295 --> 02:44:56,265
state law, um, and there's another provision you

2173
02:44:56,485 --> 02:45:00,075
have, you can't, the state can take or demonstrate bias.

2174
02:45:00,705 --> 02:45:03,725
that's another, the state can take away your post certification.

2175
02:45:05,635 --> 02:45:08,565
yeah, I don't wanna put our police officers

2176
02:45:10,505 --> 02:45:14,445
in jeopardy or make it

2177
02:45:14,605 --> 02:45:17,865
difficult for them to do their job. 'cause they really

2178
02:45:18,955 --> 02:45:22,725
need the trust of all the people

2179
02:45:23,145 --> 02:45:27,005
in this community. And we, we've got

2180
02:45:27,165 --> 02:45:30,275
about 30% of our

2181
02:45:31,625 --> 02:45:35,145
population that are hispanic and probably pretty close

2182
02:45:35,795 --> 02:45:39,765
to another 30% that are from the middle east.

2183
02:45:41,475 --> 02:45:45,365
and they, our police officers really need

2184
02:45:45,655 --> 02:45:49,245
their cooperation when it comes to being witnesses, reporting

2185
02:45:49,855 --> 02:45:52,755
crimes. If people

2186
02:45:54,245 --> 02:45:58,135
that are not white have to go to the

2187
02:45:58,495 --> 02:46:02,365
hospital, but they're afraid to go to the hospital and then, and they got, they have kids

2188
02:46:03,165 --> 02:46:06,675
that are afraid to go to school and, uh,

2189
02:46:08,255 --> 02:46:11,565
a child that can't go to the hospital

2190
02:46:13,265 --> 02:46:16,245
or to church or to sunday school

2191
02:46:17,505 --> 02:46:20,725
or ana's, uh, I, I, I think that's

2192
02:46:21,665 --> 02:46:25,565
really bad. And what this is gonna do,

2193
02:46:25,825 --> 02:46:29,515
if they can't go to the clinics

2194
02:46:30,225 --> 02:46:33,725
or hospitals, someone that has, uh, strep throat,

2195
02:46:34,625 --> 02:46:38,365
it, it turns into scarlet fever and they're incredibly

2196
02:46:39,135 --> 02:46:42,925
infectious and they'll be infecting a lot of people.

2197
02:46:43,905 --> 02:46:47,435
and, uh, people won't be getting their vaccinations for measles

2198
02:46:48,065 --> 02:46:51,685
and mumps and chickenpox and, and even worse things

2199
02:46:52,725 --> 02:46:56,605
'cause they're afraid to go in for a medical help. That's not

2200
02:46:56,765 --> 02:47:00,685
helping our community at all. I represent everybody in this

2201
02:47:00,845 --> 02:47:04,565
city, and I have to, I have to look out for

2202
02:47:05,045 --> 02:47:06,535
everyone. And sb 54

2203
02:47:09,385 --> 02:47:12,675
allows for the police to cooperate

2204
02:47:14,035 --> 02:47:17,785
with ice for violent criminals. And

2205
02:47:18,045 --> 02:47:21,845
I think that's a good thing. 'cause we want to get, all of us, I think wanna

2206
02:47:22,085 --> 02:47:24,285
get the violent criminals outta here.

2207
02:47:26,825 --> 02:47:30,475
but you can see from all the trouble that

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02:47:30,955 --> 02:47:34,805
this resolution has caused all the people, it's gotten

2209
02:47:35,145 --> 02:47:38,865
really upset. This is hurting our

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02:47:39,195 --> 02:47:41,205
community. This isn't helping our community.

2211
02:48:08,665 --> 02:48:12,385
and this is a true christian. Okay? Please, please be quiet. Okay. So

2212
02:48:15,115 --> 02:48:18,615
when I was, uh, in charge of the play-doh table

2213
02:48:19,225 --> 02:48:23,165
at sunday school when my son was five years old, I was thinking

2214
02:48:23,485 --> 02:48:27,365
about the other day, what would I do

2215
02:48:27,985 --> 02:48:31,985
if el cajon police officers came in there and drug out

2216
02:48:32,205 --> 02:48:35,965
some of those kids? Or if they asked me for a list

2217
02:48:36,825 --> 02:48:40,045
of the names of all the kids. 'cause they're trying to find

2218
02:48:41,245 --> 02:48:45,145
a person that's undocumented or the

2219
02:48:45,825 --> 02:48:47,805
the child of an undocumented person.

2220
02:48:50,225 --> 02:48:54,045
so, uh, I think this is just a, a

2221
02:48:54,265 --> 02:48:58,185
bad, uh, resolution. And why

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02:48:58,465 --> 02:49:02,355
is it that el cajon has to be the second city

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02:49:02,825 --> 02:49:06,255
out of the 482 cities in california

2224
02:49:08,675 --> 02:49:12,435
that, uh, that

2225
02:49:12,945 --> 02:49:16,665
go along with sb 54? I mean, la

2226
02:49:16,995 --> 02:49:19,085
mesa, santi and all the other cities

2227
02:49:21,105 --> 02:49:24,655
in san diego county aren't addressing

2228
02:49:25,325 --> 02:49:29,105
this. Let's see how this all works out through the courts. And

2229
02:49:30,445 --> 02:49:34,245
I think there's, there've been some comments made about the expense.

2230
02:49:35,225 --> 02:49:39,165
we could end up with lawsuits, you know, going on and on and

2231
02:49:39,325 --> 02:49:42,125
on. We need to have more police officers,

2232
02:49:44,025 --> 02:49:47,075
not fewer, because they're, they're gonna go to another city

2233
02:49:48,255 --> 02:49:52,235
where they're not under the stress of having to figure out, okay,

2234
02:49:53,275 --> 02:49:56,985
what, what law are we gonna comply with? And

2235
02:49:57,515 --> 02:50:01,325
it's, we have a really great police department and we vet

2236
02:50:01,525 --> 02:50:05,515
our police officers probably better than

2237
02:50:06,035 --> 02:50:09,925
most cities in san diego county. 'cause only two outta

2238
02:50:10,255 --> 02:50:14,225
65 police officers. Uh, only two

2239
02:50:14,545 --> 02:50:17,095
out of 65 police officer applicants

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02:50:18,625 --> 02:50:22,605
passed the background check. So the, our police officers

2241
02:50:23,355 --> 02:50:27,275
have been very well vetted, and

2242
02:50:28,355 --> 02:50:31,815
that's what makes a good police department. I wanna keep every police officer

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02:50:32,445 --> 02:50:36,335
that we have, and I don't wanna put any more undue stress upon them.

2244
02:50:38,235 --> 02:50:38,875
so thank you.

2245
02:50:51,445 --> 02:50:55,035
well, first of all, um, I'd like to thank, um,

2246
02:50:55,905 --> 02:50:59,875
audra and marcy. She's not here. And

2247
02:51:00,315 --> 02:51:03,735
the young woman in the front row, I, I'm sorry I didn't catch her name.

2248
02:51:04,515 --> 02:51:07,935
I'd like to thank you for bringing up, uh, my bad behavior

2249
02:51:08,555 --> 02:51:12,325
for the last, uh, two weeks ago. It was inexcusable.

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02:51:15,135 --> 02:51:19,055
I did try to apologize, but I failed.

2251
02:51:21,435 --> 02:51:25,435
and between marcy and ara, they so

2252
02:51:25,935 --> 02:51:29,895
graciously made sure the email that I had between marcy and

2253
02:51:30,175 --> 02:51:32,305
I I tried to be human

2254
02:51:34,195 --> 02:51:38,175
and vulnerable was spread on the internet. So thank you

2255
02:51:38,295 --> 02:51:42,165
for spreading that email on the internet and making sure that the public knew

2256
02:51:42,925 --> 02:51:46,835
that an elected official was being human and

2257
02:51:47,075 --> 02:51:51,055
not jaded. So you got an elected official being

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02:51:51,465 --> 02:51:53,195
human. And I wanna thank you for that. At

2259
02:52:01,195 --> 02:52:05,165
the second thing is that yes, amy, we have the screenshot

2260
02:52:05,985 --> 02:52:09,805
of you on instagram saying that. Can I speak?

2261
02:52:10,105 --> 02:52:12,945
no, I, no, no. Amy, I no,

2262
02:52:14,345 --> 02:52:17,865
amy, I'm sorry. Amy. I'm sorry. I can't. Amy, amy.

2263
02:52:18,705 --> 02:52:22,475
no, we can't. Ladies and gentlemen. Okay, well

2264
02:52:22,795 --> 02:52:25,525
take a break. Come back where, where you can control yourself.

2265
02:52:33,515 --> 02:52:37,375
alright, ladies and gentlemen, I know everybody's upset. I know everybody's heated, but we're

2266
02:52:37,725 --> 02:52:41,645
gonna try to finish this meeting. Okay? So at this point it's still michelle's microphone

2267
02:52:43,145 --> 02:52:46,925
and let her finish. I'm done. I'm done. Alright,

2268
02:52:55,225 --> 02:52:59,125
fan, did you wanna say anything? Yeah, I'll be brief. Uh, this has been two meetings that we've

2269
02:52:59,325 --> 02:53:03,265
discussed this. And, uh, you

2270
02:53:03,485 --> 02:53:07,325
know, my, my I'm clear on this. I want violent criminals removed

2271
02:53:07,985 --> 02:53:11,845
and I have big problems with sb 54. Um, I don't believe

2272
02:53:12,085 --> 02:53:15,715
they make our community safe. And everyone's glossing over all the other crimes that

2273
02:53:16,325 --> 02:53:18,965
sb 54 does not. Um, take into account,

2274
02:53:20,375 --> 02:53:23,855
nonviolent offenses include duis, arson,

2275
02:53:24,545 --> 02:53:28,255
street, uh, robbery, shoplifting, vandalism, theft,

2276
02:53:29,085 --> 02:53:32,805
burglary, battery, uh, disorderly

2277
02:53:33,125 --> 02:53:36,755
conduct, vandalism, shoplifting, forgery,

2278
02:53:38,355 --> 02:53:42,275
receiving stolen property, knowing it, fraud, drug

2279
02:53:42,565 --> 02:53:46,105
offenses. These are all nonviolent crimes

2280
02:53:46,995 --> 02:53:50,795
that sb 54 does not address. And it's

2281
02:53:51,125 --> 02:53:54,555
a gap in the safety and security of our community.

2282
02:53:55,305 --> 02:53:59,285
and I don't understand people leaning on sb 54,

2283
02:53:59,755 --> 02:54:03,485
like it's the know all, be all to make our our community safe.

2284
02:54:04,265 --> 02:54:07,835
and I I I, I'm not gonna be pressured into,

2285
02:54:09,505 --> 02:54:13,285
um, I'm not gonna be pressured or bullied or shouted into

2286
02:54:14,105 --> 02:54:17,595
saying that this resolution is something that it's not. This

2287
02:54:18,125 --> 02:54:22,005
resolution is to get violent criminals off the street and it's nothing else.

2288
02:54:22,345 --> 02:54:25,595
and if people want to project fabricate,

2289
02:54:26,635 --> 02:54:30,345
they, they, they can do that all they want. But that's the intention, that's the

2290
02:54:30,995 --> 02:54:34,345
direction that I want our police officers to, uh,

2291
02:54:35,425 --> 02:54:39,385
to, to move forward with. Um, and the

2292
02:54:39,605 --> 02:54:43,485
generalizations here are, are crazy. Uh, the, the generalizations

2293
02:54:44,245 --> 02:54:48,025
of every immigrant is a criminal. That's not true. That's 100%

2294
02:54:48,685 --> 02:54:52,575
not true. Um, the generalization that I hate mexicans, again,

2295
02:54:53,065 --> 02:54:56,885
not true. And so I'm not convinced of the arguments that I've heard.

2296
02:54:57,285 --> 02:55:01,045
'cause a lot of them are just conjecture and dis uh, intellectually dishonest.

2297
02:55:02,385 --> 02:55:06,115
um, so, uh, I it's,

2298
02:55:06,405 --> 02:55:10,145
it's, it's saddening that, that and the division that I'm feeling, um,

2299
02:55:10,705 --> 02:55:14,385
is from both sides. And I'm gary, I'm sorry you got those voicemails. You, that's

2300
02:55:14,925 --> 02:55:17,745
unacceptable. I'm sorry you got those. You know, um,

2301
02:55:19,325 --> 02:55:23,165
I I think some of 'em were in the general email box or voicemail box. I'm sorry

2302
02:55:23,345 --> 02:55:27,085
you had to get those. Um, but I'm, I'm, I, and then

2303
02:55:27,385 --> 02:55:30,705
my last comment is I appreciate steve being thoughtful, um,

2304
02:55:31,465 --> 02:55:35,275
and his commitment to, uh, balancing

2305
02:55:36,435 --> 02:55:39,585
both sides of what we've been hearing. Um,

2306
02:55:40,505 --> 02:55:42,765
so those are my comments and that's it. Thank you.

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02:55:51,065 --> 02:55:54,945
uh, there was one thing that, uh, I think had a hint of

2308
02:55:55,165 --> 02:55:59,085
our police acting wrong, and I'm gonna clear that up. This is the gustavo

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02:55:59,565 --> 02:56:03,525
and hamshaw incident on february 6th, seven 20 in which it was reported there

2310
02:56:03,765 --> 02:56:07,765
was a checkpoint. And that, uh, it inferred that we were asking

2311
02:56:08,045 --> 02:56:11,805
people for their credentials. Uh, I checked with our police department,

2312
02:56:13,065 --> 02:56:17,045
we had no details at that place, at that date and time.

2313
02:56:17,225 --> 02:56:21,145
we issued no citations. We made no stops. Our

2314
02:56:21,365 --> 02:56:25,365
police were not involved in that situation. It could have

2315
02:56:25,485 --> 02:56:28,905
been some other agency, but it was not our police department. So

2316
02:56:29,615 --> 02:56:33,005
let's be truthful about, uh, about our police.

2317
02:56:35,245 --> 02:56:39,085
I, I said what I said about the beginning, my position hasn't changed. It's about public

2318
02:56:39,365 --> 02:56:43,115
safety and, and really what, what

2319
02:56:43,445 --> 02:56:47,255
I want. Sb 54 changed right

2320
02:56:47,605 --> 02:56:49,365
now. If there's any one of these 647,000,

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02:56:52,225 --> 02:56:56,125
uh, on the us immigration to

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02:56:56,485 --> 02:57:00,485
customer enforcement letter dated september 25th, and it lists

2323
02:57:00,825 --> 02:57:04,665
on here 425,000 convicted criminals not

2324
02:57:05,085 --> 02:57:08,485
detained, 222,000 pending criminal charges for a total of 647,000.

2325
02:57:10,585 --> 02:57:14,485
if they are living liz gemma, please, if they are living

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02:57:14,685 --> 02:57:18,645
in our community, we need them out. And we

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02:57:18,805 --> 02:57:22,625
need sb 54 changed so that we can get them out. We

2328
02:57:22,845 --> 02:57:26,045
can't just wait for them to run a red light or do something

2329
02:57:27,025 --> 02:57:30,645
if you are a known convicted criminal. Ladies and gentlemen, I can stop the meeting again.

2330
02:57:31,185 --> 02:57:35,085
do we need to stop the meeting again? This is about, I'm letting you decide

2331
02:57:35,595 --> 02:57:39,565
this is about public safety for me. It always has been. So you've heard

2332
02:57:39,725 --> 02:57:43,565
my thoughts in the beginning. Uh, I will support the resolution because I,

2333
02:57:44,345 --> 02:57:48,265
uh, found an amendment to make sure that we cover the backs of our police officers who

2334
02:57:48,515 --> 02:57:49,325
have our backs.

2335
02:58:03,685 --> 02:58:07,395
I was really surprised that this resolution was even, uh, controversial.

2336
02:58:08,875 --> 02:58:12,125
this should have been a, a no brainer. We arrest somebody

2337
02:58:13,225 --> 02:58:17,065
for doing something bad that does not belong into this country. We

2338
02:58:17,285 --> 02:58:21,125
should be able to do everything we can to get them outta this country. Because you know what?

2339
02:58:21,665 --> 02:58:25,555
if we book them downtown, even if they commit a pretty serious crime, they're

2340
02:58:26,125 --> 02:58:30,085
probably back on the street in two hours. It is my job to do everything

2341
02:58:30,405 --> 02:58:34,405
I can to protect the people of el cajon. It's also my job to represent the people

2342
02:58:34,525 --> 02:58:38,485
of el cajon, 57% of which said that they want to change.

2343
02:58:39,315 --> 02:58:43,105
america is in the process of change. America is in, in the process of

2344
02:58:43,325 --> 02:58:47,205
putting america first again. Some people are not gonna like that. Some people

2345
02:58:47,365 --> 02:58:50,805
are gonna lose money. Some people are gonna lose status. Some people who, whose

2346
02:58:51,685 --> 02:58:55,525
etiology is going to be challenged by it. But lemme tell you something. Those of

2347
02:58:55,725 --> 02:58:59,085
you who came and were completely intellectually dishonest, completely

2348
02:58:59,765 --> 02:59:03,645
disingenuous, made things up at a whole cloth, you are not

2349
02:59:03,805 --> 02:59:07,645
doing your cause. Any good people just tune you out because they know you're

2350
02:59:07,935 --> 02:59:11,825
liars. At this point, I'd

2351
02:59:12,045 --> 02:59:16,045
like to make a motion. I'd like to

2352
02:59:16,165 --> 02:59:18,085
make a motion to approve.

2353
02:59:20,545 --> 02:59:24,505
I'd like to make the motion to prove the resolution. You're not second,

2354
02:59:26,035 --> 02:59:27,195
move the second please vote.

2355
02:59:31,895 --> 02:59:35,415
motion passes. Motion passes

2356
02:59:36,255 --> 02:59:40,235
by a three to vote with council member kendrick and mitchell

2357
02:59:40,435 --> 02:59:43,295
voting no. Okay. Yes.

2358
02:59:56,695 --> 02:59:56,695
you

2359
03:00:01,585 --> 03:00:05,415
okay. We're gonna continue. Tell your wife not

2360
03:00:05,635 --> 03:00:06,555
to take pictures of us

2361
03:00:12,145 --> 03:00:15,625
wife taking. Okay.

2362
03:00:19,235 --> 03:00:22,575
I want people who this brings us to

2363
03:00:27,305 --> 03:00:30,715
your ladies. Gentlemen, we're almost done.

2364
03:00:31,385 --> 03:00:34,995
give me two seconds. There are no general information items of today's agenda.

2365
03:00:35,415 --> 03:00:39,315
no first or second meeting ordinances and no closed session. This brings us to the adjournment

2366
03:00:39,635 --> 03:00:43,275
of the regular joint meeting of the oklahoma city council. Oklahoma housing authority successor

2367
03:00:43,835 --> 03:00:47,475
agency to the oklahoma redevelopment agency. Agency held this 11th, february, 2025

2368
03:00:48,775 --> 03:00:52,075
is ajour until tuesday, february 25th, 2025 at 3:00 pm.