1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:05:02,230 Two. Three. Four. Five. 2 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Good afternoon everyone. It's Tuesday, 3 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,039 August 5th at 4:30 and we'll call this 4 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:09,759 meeting over uh to the Pastor Robel City 5 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,199 Council and we'll begin with roll call 6 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:14,400 please. 7 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:15,670 >> Council member Bosch 8 00:05:15,670 --> 00:05:15,680 » Council member Bosch 9 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,070 >> here. 10 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:16,080 » here. 11 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,029 >> Council member Beal 12 00:05:17,029 --> 00:05:17,039 » Council member Beal 13 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:18,550 >> here. Council member Gregory 14 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:18,560 » here. Council member Gregory 15 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:18,950 >> here. 16 00:05:18,950 --> 00:05:18,960 » here. 17 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,990 >> Council member Strong 18 00:05:19,990 --> 00:05:20,000 » Council member Strong 19 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:20,550 >> present. 20 00:05:20,550 --> 00:05:20,560 » present. 21 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,430 >> Mayor Hammond 22 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:21,440 » Mayor Hammond 23 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,870 >> here. 24 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:22,880 » here. 25 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,160 and we have uh close session items to be 26 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,680 uh discussed and reported. Um 27 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,680 we'll let our legal counsel Elizabeth 28 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Hull do that for us. 29 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,710 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going 30 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:34,720 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going 31 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,639 into close session on a couple of items 32 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:38,400 this evening. The first is conference 33 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,479 with legal counsel regarding existing 34 00:05:40,479 --> 00:05:42,639 litigation. That's pursuant to 35 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:46,400 government code section 54956.9D1 36 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,720 and the case is John Borst versus the 37 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,600 city of El Paso de Robis. Um and then 38 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,759 there is a second conference with legal 39 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,160 counsel regarding existing litigation 40 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,479 pursuant to the same government code 41 00:05:58,479 --> 00:06:02,720 section 549 56.9D1 42 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,960 that is also John Borst versus the city 43 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,000 of El Paso de Roles. They are two uh 44 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,520 different complaints that have been 45 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,840 filed. Um the third item is conference 46 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,000 with legal counsel regarding existing 47 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,720 litigation pursuant to the same section 48 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,479 government code section 54956.91 49 00:06:22,479 --> 00:06:24,800 and the cases are the tribune versus the 50 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,280 city of pasarobels and Chris Bosch Chris 51 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,520 Bosch versus the city of pasarobels as a 52 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:30,880 cross complaint and the city of 53 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,919 pasarobels versus Chris Bow as a cross 54 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:35,600 complaint. 55 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,749 >> Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open 56 00:06:37,749 --> 00:06:37,759 » Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open 57 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:40,400 up public comment to these uh items 58 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,479 regarding uh close session items 59 00:06:42,479 --> 00:06:44,080 tonight. Anyone in the public? I see 60 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,440 none. Anyone online? 61 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,550 >> No, sir. 62 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:46,560 » No, sir. 63 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,710 >> Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to 64 00:06:48,710 --> 00:06:48,720 » Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to 65 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,800 close session and we'll reconvene at 6 66 00:06:50,800 --> 01:35:56,070 Yeah. 67 01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,840 Good evening everyone for the pastor 68 01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,600 Robels City Council meeting for Tuesday 69 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,360 August 5th. We are reconvening from 70 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,840 close session. Uh we'll go ahead and 71 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,400 begin our uh session here with the 72 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,920 pledge of allegiance led by Councilman 73 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,679 Strong and remain standing for the 74 01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:11,840 invocation for Pastor Sarah Kate Durren 75 01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,960 of the Revival Center. Red. 76 01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,790 >> As we renew our commitment to this great 77 01:36:16,790 --> 01:36:16,800 » As we renew our commitment to this great 78 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,040 nation, please with me. I pledge 79 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:21,760 allegiance to the flag of the United 80 01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,960 States of America and to the republic 81 01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,080 for which it stands, one nation under 82 01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,199 God, indivisible, with liberty and 83 01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,280 justice for all. 84 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:35,669 >> Remain standing for prayer. 85 01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:35,679 » Remain standing for prayer. 86 01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:37,189 >> Heavenly Father, we come to you in the 87 01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:37,199 » Heavenly Father, we come to you in the 88 01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:39,600 mighty name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you 89 01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,880 for your grace and your mercy upon us. 90 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:44,320 We don't deserve your attention, but 91 01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:46,159 we're so grateful that you hear our 92 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,239 prayer. We come to you in faith. 93 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:49,760 I thank you right now for our city of 94 01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:52,239 Pasroas. Thank you for the continued 95 01:36:52,239 --> 01:36:54,560 divine protection you have over our city 96 01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,239 and ask that you continue to have mercy 97 01:36:56,239 --> 01:36:59,199 over us and send us protection. 98 01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,040 Lord, may the words of our mouth and 99 01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,639 meditation of our hearts be acceptable 100 01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,960 in your sight tonight. May the leaders 101 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,520 and the citizens of Pas 102 01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,760 have wise discussions, make good 103 01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,199 decisions to benefit everyone. 104 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:14,800 Be glorified in this meeting. And we ask 105 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:16,239 this in the name that's above every 106 01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:18,320 name, Jesus. Amen. 107 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:18,709 >> Amen. 108 01:37:18,709 --> 01:37:18,719 » Amen. 109 01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:19,510 >> Amen. 110 01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:19,520 » Amen. 111 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:24,629 >> Thank you, Pastor Durant. 112 01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:26,159 » Madame Clerk, would you call the roll 113 01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:28,000 call, please? 114 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,270 >> Council member Bosch 115 01:37:29,270 --> 01:37:29,280 » Council member Bosch 116 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:29,750 >> here. 117 01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:29,760 » here. 118 01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:30,709 >> Council member Beiel 119 01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:30,719 » Council member Beiel 120 01:37:30,719 --> 01:37:32,229 >> here. Council member Gregory 121 01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:32,239 » here. Council member Gregory 122 01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:32,629 >> here. 123 01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:32,639 » here. 124 01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:33,590 >> Council member Strong 125 01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:33,600 » Council member Strong 126 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:34,070 >> here. 127 01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:34,080 » here. 128 01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:34,950 >> Mayor Hammond 129 01:37:34,950 --> 01:37:34,960 » Mayor Hammond 130 01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,750 >> here. Staff introductions begin on my 131 01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:37,760 » here. Staff introductions begin on my 132 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:38,159 right. 133 01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,629 >> Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city 134 01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:40,639 » Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city 135 01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,880 clerk, joined by Mary Swanhaltz, deputy 136 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:45,280 city clerk. and Karen Jackson, IT 137 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:47,360 technician. 138 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:48,790 >> Warren Fras, community development 139 01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:48,800 » Warren Fras, community development 140 01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,560 director. 141 01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,270 >> Leslie Frasier, city 142 01:37:53,270 --> 01:37:53,280 » Leslie Frasier, city 143 01:37:53,280 --> 01:38:09,510 >> Melissa Bailey, city liber 144 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,400 administrative services director. David, 145 01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:26,070 police chief. 146 01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,080 Chris Huat, city manager. 147 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:29,750 >> Elizabeth Hall, city attorney. 148 01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:29,760 » Elizabeth Hall, city attorney. 149 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:34,229 >> All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U 150 01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:34,239 » All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U 151 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,239 report out from close session. I'll let 152 01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:38,320 legal counsel Elizabeth Hall let 153 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,760 everybody know what we've talked about. 154 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:41,590 >> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the 155 01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:41,600 » Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the 156 01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:43,199 council went into close session on a 157 01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:45,119 number of items. The first is conference 158 01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:46,880 with legal counsel regarding existing 159 01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,639 litigation pursuant to government code 160 01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:51,600 section 54956.91. 161 01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,440 Name of the case is John Borst versus 162 01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,600 the city. Uh the case number in that 163 01:38:55,600 --> 01:39:00,070 case is 23 CVP-0156. 164 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,400 Uh and there was no reportable action. 165 01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,719 The second item is conference with legal 166 01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:07,199 council existing litigation pursuant to 167 01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:10,320 government code section 54956.9D1. 168 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:13,360 Also um the name of that case is also 169 01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,679 John Boris versus City of Pasari Robels. 170 01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:18,239 The case number in that case is 25 171 01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:20,800 CVP0159 172 01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:22,800 and there's no reportable action. And 173 01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,480 then finally there was conference with 174 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:26,400 legal counsel regarding existing 175 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,119 litigation. Again pursuant to government 176 01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,080 code section 54956.91 177 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,080 and the name of the case is the tribune 178 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,000 versus the city of Pasarobels and Chris 179 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,400 Bosch. Chris Bosch versus the city of 180 01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:40,719 Pasa Robels as a cross complaint and the 181 01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:42,800 city of Pasari Robels versus Chris Bosch 182 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,639 as a cross complaint and there was no 183 01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:45,840 reportable action. 184 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,350 >> Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh 185 01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:49,360 » Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh 186 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:50,960 we have presentations. We have two 187 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,719 tonight. The first one's going to be 188 01:39:52,719 --> 01:39:55,199 capital projects uh report by Adidas 189 01:39:55,199 --> 01:40:05,270 Esparonza. 190 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,119 Good evening, mayor, members of the city 191 01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:09,280 council, and the audience that's present 192 01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:12,400 here tonight. This is our once a month 193 01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,119 uh public works capital projects update. 194 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,360 We haven't had one for quite some time. 195 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,760 So, and we've done a lot of projects. 196 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,880 So, I'm going to u giving you uh just 197 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,800 give you a catch up on all the things 198 01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,960 that we've done today. 199 01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,760 So to first of all is to let you know of 200 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,719 the projects that are in progress. 201 01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,040 Here's a list of them and I'll try to 202 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,520 give a a quick highlight on each of 203 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,760 those. 204 01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,800 And here's some more. 205 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,960 So the first one is the Sherwood 206 01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,719 Sherwood water manes. This is the 207 01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:48,560 Sherwood neighborhood just east of 208 01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,360 Preston and south of Niblick Road next 209 01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,920 to the south of the uh fire station out 210 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,480 there. If you recall, the need for this 211 01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:58,880 project was to upgrade all the the 212 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,280 deteriorated water manes and broken 213 01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,880 water services so that we can repair the 214 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:08,800 roads in that neighborhood. So the the 215 01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,800 water line is almost complete. So we 216 01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,040 will follow the follow that up with the 217 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,440 neighborhood road repairs again paid 218 01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:18,480 with measure E12. 219 01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:20,639 The Crestston Road Corridor phase one 220 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:23,440 has been in construction since August of 221 01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:27,199 2024. We're getting down to the end. The 222 01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:29,440 pavement, the first lift of pavement has 223 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,840 been placed and the signal poles are 224 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:33,440 currently in construction. The signal 225 01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:37,280 pole is at Walnut Bolan and 226 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,600 Bolan and Crestston of course. And so 227 01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:42,239 the tempor striping there looks 228 01:41:42,239 --> 01:41:44,639 permanent. It is not permanent. It's 229 01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:46,880 temporary. uh instead of putting 230 01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:49,119 floppies, which is normally what the 231 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:51,040 contractor would do prior to final 232 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,440 paving, it became evident that because 233 01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:55,920 the road is so wide and so long, people 234 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,159 would be confused as to where to drive. 235 01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:00,560 So, it was safer to put temporary 236 01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,360 striping in, but they just sort of put 237 01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,920 it in there and uh didn't really go 238 01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:07,760 through the whole design analysis, just 239 01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,159 they just figured we'll try to just keep 240 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:12,480 it safe. So, let everybody know that is 241 01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:14,639 temporary. And as in fact the second 242 01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:17,440 level and final level of surface repair 243 01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:20,400 started last Friday and we will do uh 244 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:25,350 the final repair in the next week or so. 245 01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:30,159 The um tower road sorry the training 246 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:33,040 facility tower at fire station on Union 247 01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:35,920 Road is complete. the before picture 248 01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,920 with all the rebars getting ready and 249 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,159 then the after picture with the concrete 250 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:43,840 pad and the asphalt driveway next to it. 251 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:46,639 We are in in progress in getting the 252 01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:49,600 equipment. It it's a Lego like structure 253 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,000 that they will deliver on site and build 254 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,119 it for the actual training tower 255 01:42:55,119 --> 01:43:00,550 and that is paid for by measure J20. 256 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,199 Next that we have is the Sherwood Park 257 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:05,360 upgrade which happens to include a 258 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,239 pickle ball court. You can see that uh 259 01:43:08,239 --> 01:43:10,560 the grading at the we're grading the 260 01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:13,119 parking lot that will add parking spaces 261 01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:16,159 for Sherwood Park and the pickle ball 262 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:18,880 courts are in progress. The asphalt has 263 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,800 been placed. We're getting ready to put 264 01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:23,679 the fence and the lights for the actual 265 01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,030 court. 266 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:29,600 We now and then this one is the Flamson 267 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:34,480 pedestrian improvements in front of um 268 01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,880 well I think it's still called Flamson 269 01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:39,600 Flamson School or maybe it's not 270 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,400 anymore. I I forget but anyway it's the 271 01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,960 junior high. 272 01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,520 So, here's north of 24th and here's the 273 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:51,600 curb ramps at Oak Street in in progress. 274 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,080 And included with the with curb ramp and 275 01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,520 sidewalk, we will be putting a 276 01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:58,560 pedestrian push button activated 277 01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:01,199 pedestrian activated push button to help 278 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,719 kids cross the street safely. Again, a 279 01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:07,760 reminder, this was a slowcog safe route 280 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,880 to school grant as well as a safe uh a 281 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:16,390 slowcog community betterment grant. 282 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:20,400 The 12th Street parking lot is under uh 283 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,480 construction. This is on 12 and 284 01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:23,840 railroad. They're starting with a 285 01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,280 retaining wall along 12th Street. In in 286 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,040 addition to the 12th Street parking lot, 287 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:30,960 we're also doing the Marvs, the one next 288 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,840 to Marv's Pizza. So that's going to come 289 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,920 along after the 12th Street parking lot 290 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,960 is completed. Uh funding for this 291 01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:43,360 project is from the toot um grant um 292 01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:47,750 sales tax stacks that we receive. 293 01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:50,400 We also have our annual street pavement 294 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,520 pavement restriping program. Uh those 295 01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:55,440 are the list list of the streets that we 296 01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:57,840 accomplished this year. This is paid for 297 01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:01,910 by gas tax. 298 01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:04,159 We also have a whole um lot of 299 01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:06,239 neighborhood streets. We completed the 300 01:45:06,239 --> 01:45:08,880 Sleepy Hollow, Cathedral Canyon, 301 01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:11,760 Rosemary, Julie, and then in addition to 302 01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,400 that, we repaired a portion of the 303 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,440 asphalt trail next to Charlay. And this 304 01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:23,030 is again was measure I24 funded. 305 01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:25,760 So now I'm going to take you to our 306 01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,000 upcoming projects. 307 01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,320 We have a list of them. uh they're all 308 01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:33,280 at various stages, but for now I'm going 309 01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,239 to just concentrate on my report for 310 01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:39,520 Crest Road phase 2. Now that phase one 311 01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:41,920 is complete, we were we are beginning we 312 01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,080 are going to begin the Chris Crest Road 313 01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,480 phase two. We're just about done with 314 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:49,679 the project and um we want the community 315 01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:52,880 to rest a little bit and enjoy phase one 316 01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,520 before we start doing the phase two 317 01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,560 which is going to be quite challenging. 318 01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:01,360 I'd like to add because of the traffic 319 01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,119 control and what's going to happen 320 01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:06,080 there. Unlike the roundabout at Golden 321 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,880 Hill and Union Road, we were able to 322 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,960 close that intersection and really 323 01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,600 concentrate in getting it done. So 324 01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,440 essentially, it was one-stage 325 01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:17,760 construction. Once people got used to 326 01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,440 the closure, even though they didn't 327 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:22,080 like it, once they got used to it, they 328 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,400 figured out, okay, I can do it now 329 01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:25,840 until, of course, when we started 330 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,080 paving. But it took about 9 months 331 01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,119 before we had to change the staging. But 332 01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:32,880 for them, it was like they got used to 333 01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:35,040 the closure. They got used to the detour 334 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,760 and we were done. Unfortunately, that 335 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,800 cannot happen with the rolling hills and 336 01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,920 um crest roundabout. You can see the 337 01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:45,679 black line. It's a little bit skewed, 338 01:46:45,679 --> 01:46:48,239 but there are numerous 339 01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:50,800 drain lines and pipelines that going to 340 01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:53,520 have to be going under that roundabout. 341 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,520 We can't close the road obviously 342 01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,159 because we have to keep traffic moving. 343 01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:01,280 We have prepared a what's called a seven 344 01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:05,040 stage construction to do this project. 345 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,080 So just about when the community is kind 346 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,280 of used to stage one unfortunately once 347 01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,960 we're done we will have to switch to 348 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,840 stage two and three and four and five 349 01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:19,280 and six and seven. So patience is 350 01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:21,040 something we would really appreciate 351 01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,280 when we go into construction. 352 01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:26,400 So to do that to facilitate and help out 353 01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,040 with the staging construction is we will 354 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,600 be closing rolling hills and so people 355 01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:34,000 will not be able to use rolling hills 356 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:38,080 coming from Golden Hill and but the main 357 01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:40,800 road of Crestston will remain open at 358 01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,840 all times albeit it'll be staged and at 359 01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:45,920 different times of construction they 360 01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:47,600 might be going this way or going this 361 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,400 way but there'll be um places there the 362 01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,880 contractor will be uh directing people 363 01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,440 on how to go there. The other thing that 364 01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:57,840 I get a lot of questions on is why did 365 01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:00,080 we not do improvements in front of the 366 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,560 Nick's barber shop. I show that on the 367 01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,639 left there. Um so we don't have rightway 368 01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:09,119 for those two properties next to Nick's 369 01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:12,239 Barberhop. During phase one design, we 370 01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:14,639 tried to get them to give us property, 371 01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:18,159 but it's very uh it's very steep. And 372 01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:20,639 yes, if if we did if we did install 373 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,040 driveways for them, basically they would 374 01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:24,880 have to give us public rideway that 375 01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,719 pretty much goes right next to their 376 01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:28,719 buildings. And so, of course, they 377 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:31,840 didn't want to offer that. And so, we 378 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,480 did not do those consu uh sidewalks and 379 01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:37,679 to have to leave it alone. And for phase 380 01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:39,760 two, we're trying to see if we can still 381 01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,199 do it. Um I'm not getting much luck, so 382 01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,119 we don't know for sure if it's going to 383 01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:49,199 happen, but we're trying. But uh it it 384 01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:52,239 it may not happen. What we'll we'll see. 385 01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:55,360 That's it for my presentation. And 386 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,800 finally, I have in the table over there, 387 01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,360 we do have an upcoming workshop next 388 01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,239 Wednesday for the Niblick Road corridor 389 01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:07,119 improvements. The we the city received a 390 01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:10,480 grant a grant to enhance Niblick Road. 391 01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:13,280 The grant is specific to providing a 392 01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,840 multi-purpose path for bike and 393 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,480 pedestrian safety on the north side of 394 01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,639 Niplick. And then we're taking advantage 395 01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:22,480 of that and putting some other 396 01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,600 enhancements along the corridor to uh 397 01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:30,000 create a uh um a wow for Nivelick Road 398 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,600 and to make pedestrians uh traffic safe. 399 01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:37,430 >> That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30 400 01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:37,440 » That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30 401 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:39,600 here 5:30 to 8 402 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:41,669 >> and it's an open house. We'll have 403 01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:41,679 » and it's an open house. We'll have 404 01:49:41,679 --> 01:49:43,920 drawings of the enhancements proposed 405 01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,320 and people can look at it and provide 406 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,159 written comments 407 01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:51,109 >> or verbal as well. That concludes my 408 01:49:51,109 --> 01:49:51,119 » or verbal as well. That concludes my 409 01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,440 presentation and I'll be happy to answer 410 01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:54,400 any more questions. 411 01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:56,310 >> All right. Thank you. Questions? 412 01:49:56,310 --> 01:49:56,320 » All right. Thank you. Questions? 413 01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:58,629 >> Quick quick question. Thank you so much. 414 01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:58,639 » Quick quick question. Thank you so much. 415 01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:01,280 um if you know we get the the weekly 416 01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,679 updates on the projects and it's so 417 01:50:03,679 --> 01:50:05,520 helpful to know you know what's going on 418 01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,520 what's coming up and if somebody in the 419 01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,000 public wants to get those or find them 420 01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:13,360 how would they find them 421 01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,679 I think they're issued every week via 422 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,960 the CMO update that are the city manager 423 01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,360 issues 424 01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:23,750 >> um the I know the individual project 425 01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:23,760 » um the I know the individual project 426 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:26,239 reports go out to the media u we can 427 01:50:26,239 --> 01:50:27,679 look to get those up on the website as 428 01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:30,239 well Great. Thank you. 429 01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:33,189 >> Chris B 430 01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:33,199 » Chris B 431 01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:36,880 is um just the last couple uh days I've 432 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,800 had the opportunity to drive eastbound 433 01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:43,040 on Crestston uh late in the afternoon 434 01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,760 and it's single lane striping that's 435 01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,400 going to be temporary permanent traffic 436 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,840 is backed all the way up to um like 437 01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,880 Orchard. It's it's the the westbound 438 01:50:54,880 --> 01:50:58,320 traffic is is backed up. I'm not I'm I'm 439 01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,000 assuming you're aware of that, but just 440 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,119 in case you're not, um, anything we can 441 01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:05,280 do to to mitigate that? I've never seen 442 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:05,760 it. 443 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,310 >> Um, I in previous 444 01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:08,320 » Um, I in previous 445 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:11,600 staff uh council reports, I've shown you 446 01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,119 the cross-section, 447 01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:13,430 >> right, 448 01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:13,440 » right, 449 01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:15,910 >> that was approved by the city council. 450 01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:15,920 » that was approved by the city council. 451 01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,480 So, it will be striped for that 452 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:19,440 cross-section. 453 01:51:19,440 --> 01:51:20,629 >> So, these single lanes are just 454 01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:20,639 » So, these single lanes are just 455 01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:21,199 temporary. 456 01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:23,430 >> There's the single lanes are just 457 01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:23,440 » There's the single lanes are just 458 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:24,960 temporary. 459 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:25,440 um 460 01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,270 >> till they put the final overlay of 461 01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:27,280 » till they put the final overlay of 462 01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,119 asphalt down and then stripe it 463 01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:32,880 correctly and put the crosswalks in. 464 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:34,550 >> I hope it's not going to be I hope it's 465 01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:34,560 » I hope it's not going to be I hope it's 466 01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,080 not going to be a single lane from 467 01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,560 Orchard down to to River. That would be 468 01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,870 >> You mean single lanes both ways? 469 01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:40,880 » You mean single lanes both ways? 470 01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:41,430 >> Yes, 471 01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:41,440 » Yes, 472 01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,830 >> there are areas where there was room for 473 01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:43,840 » there are areas where there was room for 474 01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,480 two lanes, but I think there's also some 475 01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:48,560 areas that was going to be single lane. 476 01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,239 Again, it's the cross whatever the 477 01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:52,480 cross-section was that was adopted by 478 01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,800 the city council in February 2020. 479 01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:55,119 Right. 480 01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:57,350 >> That is what is being strike. 481 01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:57,360 » That is what is being strike. 482 01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:59,750 >> Okay. Thank you. 483 01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:59,760 » Okay. Thank you. 484 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,430 >> Okay. Thank you. 485 01:52:01,430 --> 01:52:01,440 » Okay. Thank you. 486 01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:02,629 >> Mhm. 487 01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:02,639 » Mhm. 488 01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:04,950 >> Uh next presentation we have tonight on 489 01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:04,960 » Uh next presentation we have tonight on 490 01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:09,679 the agenda is the um 491 01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:12,560 where to go 492 01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:14,960 Central Coast Community Energy C3A 493 01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:17,760 annual report. Welcome. And you are 494 01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,360 Spencer. 495 01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:20,870 >> Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council 496 01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:20,880 » Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council 497 01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:22,719 members. My name is Spencer Brandt. I'm 498 01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:24,480 the community relations manager for 499 01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:26,960 Central Coast Community Energy for the 500 01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:28,800 southern portion of our region. Here to 501 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:32,320 give an annual update. 502 01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,400 As some background, 3CE is a public 503 01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,040 agency and we source electricity for 504 01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,440 communities all along the central coast. 505 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:42,080 We work in partnership with PG&E who 506 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,080 continue to manage the transmission and 507 01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,480 distribution of that electricity. So 508 01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:48,239 while they continue to maintain the 509 01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,880 lines and the infrastructure, Central 510 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,639 Coast Community Energy purchases 511 01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:54,880 electricity from generation projects 512 01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:58,080 like wind, solar, and geothermal. 513 01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,400 Uh this past January, the city of 514 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,400 Atascadero along with the county of San 515 01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,400 Lucabispo became our newest member 516 01:53:04,400 --> 01:53:07,360 agencies. 517 01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:10,880 In 2024, we delivered 409 megawatts of 518 01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:13,280 renewable electricity. That's enough to 519 01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,480 power more than 350,000 homes entirely 520 01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:19,119 from clean energy. Doing so, we are 521 01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:22,800 avoiding 445,000 metric tons of carbon 522 01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:24,719 emissions, which is the equivalent to 523 01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:27,920 taking over 105,000 gas powered cars off 524 01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:32,000 the road for a full year. 525 01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,280 3CE is on a path to deliver 100% clean 526 01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:38,080 and renewable energy 10 to 15 years 527 01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:41,040 ahead of the state's goals. By October 528 01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:43,920 of 2028, renewable energy is projected 529 01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,800 to make up at least 64% of our 530 01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:51,030 electricity mix. 531 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:52,480 This year, we've gotten a lot of 532 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,199 questions about energy storage, and so I 533 01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:56,639 wanted to take some time to talk a 534 01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:59,280 little bit about that. Energy storage is 535 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,840 essential for California's transition to 536 01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,960 carbon-f free electricity, and it's also 537 01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,719 critically important for customer 538 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:08,239 affordability. 539 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:11,199 Battery energy storage stores renewable 540 01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,119 energy during the day and then releases 541 01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:15,520 it when it's needed most in the evening. 542 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,320 So, at a utility scale, this reduces our 543 01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,840 reliance on gas PA plants during evening 544 01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,560 hours. And for customers, home batteries 545 01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:28,080 can be a critical tool for resilience 546 01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:30,080 and allow customers to take greater 547 01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:33,360 control over home energy usage. 548 01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,840 To illustrate this, I want to take a 549 01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,320 look at what California's electricity 550 01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:42,000 mix looked like in September of 2022. 551 01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:44,000 This was Labor Day weekend, and you may 552 01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,320 remember it because it was real hot. 553 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,239 This was a heat wave all across 554 01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:50,960 California and it prompted a flex alert 555 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,599 which was a statewide call to reduce 556 01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:56,639 energy usage to avoid rolling blackouts. 557 01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,320 You may remember it because everyone got 558 01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,320 a text on their phone asking you to 559 01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,800 reduce energy usage. And this graph 560 01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:05,440 shows the mix during the day. So red is 561 01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,040 fossil fuels, green is renewables, and 562 01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:12,400 orange you see at the very bottom that's 563 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,880 batteries charging. Then you'll see at 564 01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:16,960 the very top as we go further into the 565 01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:19,599 evening during peak hour batteries are 566 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:22,239 deployed onto the grid. You can see how 567 01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:25,840 they represent a very small portion. Now 568 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,800 let's look ahead two years. 569 01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:30,960 This was a similar heat wave during July 570 01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:33,199 4th of last year. You'll see a couple 571 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,800 things that are difference. There's more 572 01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:36,560 green. That's more renewable energy 573 01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:39,440 online. And the orange battery bar has 574 01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:41,440 more than tripled charging in the 575 01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:43,760 morning as they go below the line. and 576 01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,400 then deploying in the evening. So, I 577 01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,080 hope that this kind of illustrates just 578 01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:50,000 how the electricity mix changes 579 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,760 throughout the day and how usage 580 01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:53,679 patterns for our customers are different 581 01:55:53,679 --> 01:55:57,119 throughout the day. 582 01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:58,800 We've also received questions from 583 01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:00,400 community members about the safety of 584 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,639 battery energy storage systems. So, I 585 01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:04,880 want to highlight a couple key facts. 586 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,639 Central Coast Community Energy doesn't 587 01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:09,599 have any power purchase agreements with 588 01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:12,000 uh indoor battery facilities. All of our 589 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,040 battery storage projects uh must use 590 01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,960 containerized systems that are equipped 591 01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,000 with individual fire suppression units 592 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000 and meet the latest fire and building 593 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,719 code standards. The safety data that you 594 01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,239 can see on this slide is also 595 01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:28,400 encouraging. At the same time that 596 01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,280 there's been a more than 25,000% 597 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,679 increase in battery deployment, there's 598 01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:38,639 been a 98% drop in battery failures. Um 599 01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:41,280 3CE is not the land use authority. That 600 01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:42,800 is our member agencies and it's 601 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,719 ultimately your call. But we get a lot 602 01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:46,159 of questions about the utility of 603 01:56:46,159 --> 01:56:48,719 batteries and about their safety. So I 604 01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:50,560 appreciate you indulging me to provide 605 01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:54,870 some of this information. 606 01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:56,400 I want to share a little about some 607 01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:00,159 investments that we've made. Um one uh 608 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,679 project that's coming online soon. The 609 01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:03,520 Willow Rock Energy Storage Center will 610 01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:06,000 use compressed air as a battery to power 611 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:08,159 turbines on demand. This will be the 612 01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:10,080 largest compressed air energy storage 613 01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,159 project in the world once it's complete, 614 01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:14,000 providing 200 megawatts to our 615 01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,040 customers. Artina Solar is another very 616 01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:19,119 large solar and storage project and 617 01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:21,199 Atlas solar is projected to come online 618 01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:24,480 next year. Last year, Victory Pass Solar 619 01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:26,719 and Storage started delivering energy to 620 01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:29,760 our customers. Uh that was in May. These 621 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,760 three projects represent enough energy 622 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:38,149 to power 250,000 homes and businesses. 623 01:57:38,159 --> 01:57:41,119 Delivering energy is only part of 3CE's 624 01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:42,719 mission, though, and connecting with our 625 01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:45,440 communities is a critical component. In 626 01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,000 2024, our outreach team sponsored 627 01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:50,639 events, hosted webinars, conducted 628 01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,880 workshops about our energy programs. 629 01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,400 We've partnered with community- based 630 01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:57,199 organizations, trade groups, chambers of 631 01:57:57,199 --> 01:57:59,440 commerce to educate the public about our 632 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:01,679 offerings. And we've also enhanced our 633 01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:04,239 customer experience or customer service 634 01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:06,960 experience with a new hotline capable of 635 01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:09,440 providing assistance in over 150 636 01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:13,030 languages. 637 01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:14,880 A little about our energy programs. 638 01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:16,880 These help provide customers with tools 639 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,000 to accelerate electrification and 640 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,320 enhance renewability while putting money 641 01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,880 back in our constituents pockets. Our 642 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,119 flagship program is Electrify Your Ride 643 01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,440 and it provides up to $4,000 for the 644 01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:32,400 purchase of a qualifying new or used 645 01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:35,119 electric vehicle. Additional programs 646 01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:36,960 cover the cost of electrifying home 647 01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:39,360 appliances like water heaters and 648 01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,159 installing a home battery as well as 649 01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,560 targeted programs for our agricultural 650 01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:47,840 sector for their equipment needs. 651 01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:49,840 We also have programs specifically in 652 01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,159 place for public agencies to cover the 653 01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:54,400 cost of replacing fleet vehicles 654 01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:56,320 including everything from light duty 655 01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,719 pool cars to heavier duty equipment like 656 01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:01,760 street sweepers. Sister programs include 657 01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,920 plan your fleet and charge your fleet 658 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,679 which helps supplement the planning and 659 01:59:05,679 --> 01:59:08,960 infrastructure costs of electrification. 660 01:59:08,960 --> 01:59:11,280 Our electric bus program is often 661 01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,360 utilized by school districts and transit 662 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,920 agencies and our reach codes program 663 01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,920 provides technical assistance for city 664 01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:20,239 staff as they develop energy efficiency 665 01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:23,589 standards. 666 01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:26,800 Since 2018, nearly 7,000 customers on 667 01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,320 the Central Coast have received these 668 01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,520 rebates. over $11 million back in our 669 01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,520 customers pockets. We're really proud of 670 01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:35,920 that. 671 01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:39,199 And here is a snapshot of how 3CE has 672 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:41,360 invested in Pasari Robels through our 673 01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,440 rebates and incentives. We've also 674 01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,360 included stats from a benchmark 675 01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,280 jurisdiction so you can get an idea of 676 01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,920 how you measure up. One project that I 677 01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:51,840 would like to highlight uh that I'm 678 01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,639 super excited about is 3CE paid out 679 01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:56,320 $22,500 680 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,880 to Habitat for Humanity St. in Losabispo 681 01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:00,880 County through our new construction 682 02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:03,360 electrification program for nine 683 02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,520 all-electric affordable single family 684 02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:07,920 homes at the Vine Street Passels 685 02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:11,040 project. More good news is that up to 686 02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:14,239 $300,000 is available each year for the 687 02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:17,040 city to cover the cost of installing 688 02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:19,199 electric vehicle chargers, purchasing 689 02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,840 electric vehicles, both light and heavy 690 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,880 duty. Uh we also find that more and more 691 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:28,239 cities are using DC fast chargers as a 692 02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,000 really important economic development 693 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,719 tool to drive traffic to downtown and 694 02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:36,080 commercial areas. 695 02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,480 And finally, before I close, I want to 696 02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:40,800 share a legislative update. We've gotten 697 02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,280 a lot of questions about recent federal 698 02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:46,159 legislation HR1, otherwise known as the 699 02:00:46,159 --> 02:00:48,400 big beautiful bill. And I want to tell 700 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,320 you about the effects it'll have for 701 02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:53,199 energy customers. First, it eliminates 702 02:00:53,199 --> 02:00:55,520 the individual tax credits for new and 703 02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,080 used electric vehicles after December 704 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:00,800 30th of this year. So that means that if 705 02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:02,880 customers are considering purchasing 706 02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:04,639 electric vehicle and utilizing our 707 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:06,719 rebates, if they'd like to stack those 708 02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:08,880 rebates with the federal tax credit, 709 02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,040 they've got until September 30th to make 710 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:15,760 that purchase. Uh we also um just as 711 02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,639 consequential to all of our customers is 712 02:01:18,639 --> 02:01:21,040 the elimination of the investment tax 713 02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,440 credit and production tax credit which 714 02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,800 is utilized by utility scale solar and 715 02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,760 wind projects. This means that fewer and 716 02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:31,119 fewer of those projects are going to 717 02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:32,639 make it across the finish line and 718 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:36,239 actually be developed. And uh we are 719 02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,480 forecasting that in the medium to long 720 02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,400 run this is going to mean higher prices 721 02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:42,480 for energy for customers across the 722 02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:46,639 United States. To deal with this 3CE 723 02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:49,199 through our trade association CalCa is 724 02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:50,880 sponsoring state legislation the 725 02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:53,119 pathways initiative to allow us to buy 726 02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,159 and sell electricity with markets across 727 02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,960 the western United States. This is 728 02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:01,360 projected to save California nearly $800 729 02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:04,239 million. We also have forthcoming 730 02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:06,320 legislation about resource adequacy 731 02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,239 slice of day which I won't get into. Uh 732 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:11,360 but the um main takeaway is it's another 733 02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:13,119 thing that will help our customers save 734 02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:15,920 money if it were implemented. 735 02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:17,440 And that's all that I have for you 736 02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,360 today. Thank you very much council. I'm 737 02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:20,560 happy to answer questions. 738 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,310 >> Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr. 739 02:02:22,310 --> 02:02:22,320 » Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr. 740 02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:24,400 Brown on the left. Anyone on the right? 741 02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:25,430 >> I'm good. 742 02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:25,440 » I'm good. 743 02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:26,870 >> Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you 744 02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:26,880 » Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you 745 02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,000 for coming. Spencer. 746 02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:32,000 All 747 02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,599 right, moving on to general public 748 02:02:33,599 --> 02:02:35,840 comments. Uh, this is the time that the 749 02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,599 public may address the council on items 750 02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:40,800 within its uh purview, but not scheduled 751 02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:43,280 on tonight's agenda. Council or staff 752 02:02:43,280 --> 02:02:45,199 may briefly respond to statements or 753 02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,360 questions posed by the public. Uh, 754 02:02:47,360 --> 02:02:48,880 please fill out a speaker card and hand 755 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,639 it to our uh, city clerk when you come 756 02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,880 up. You'll have three minutes to speak. 757 02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:54,719 Those people wishing to speak on any 758 02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:56,480 item scheduled on tonight's agenda will 759 02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,719 be given the opportunity to speak at the 760 02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,960 time the item is being considered. So 761 02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:07,910 we'll open up public comment. 762 02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:08,480 » Welcome Greg. 763 02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:09,669 >> Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg 764 02:03:09,669 --> 02:03:09,679 » Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg 765 02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:12,159 Greywell. I live in Crest and I am the 766 02:03:12,159 --> 02:03:15,199 authority on my ranch. Uh in front of 767 02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:17,679 you there's eight years of annual 768 02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:20,639 reports. There's 769 02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:23,920 15 years of your urban water management 770 02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:26,719 plans and there's the water code. Last 771 02:03:26,719 --> 02:03:28,719 time I was here, I had a bunch of 772 02:03:28,719 --> 02:03:30,400 bobbleheads up there telling me I didn't 773 02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,159 know what I was talking about. I know 774 02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:33,679 most of you have never seen those 775 02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:36,000 documents, never read those documents, 776 02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:40,070 don't know what's in those documents. 777 02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,840 3CE sounds like the Nazi pipeline. 778 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,040 You guys spend over $4 million a year. 779 02:03:47,040 --> 02:03:49,599 You've been doing it for 18 years now 780 02:03:49,599 --> 02:03:52,320 for Nazi water. That's just principle 781 02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,000 and interest on that pipeline. You've 782 02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,639 already spent $72 million and you don't 783 02:03:56,639 --> 02:03:59,119 use the water. You got another 15 more 784 02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:01,760 years to pay for it. You have a capacity 785 02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:05,280 loss of over 3,900 acre feet in that 786 02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:07,119 pipeline. 787 02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:08,639 And those are all temporary repairs. 788 02:04:08,639 --> 02:04:11,280 You've had over six or seven repairs. 789 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:12,960 And that money I just said has nothing 790 02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:14,639 to do with operation and maintenance 791 02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:18,950 repairs or anything else. 792 02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:22,159 The other day, uh, you guys decided here 793 02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:23,920 a while back you wanted to be part of 794 02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:27,589 the JPA. 795 02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:29,840 Four people voted for it. You spent 796 02:04:29,840 --> 02:04:33,920 almost 80 grand to lose. I think those 797 02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,000 four people need to kick in 20 grand a 798 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:38,719 piece. But the moral thing is you got 799 02:04:38,719 --> 02:04:40,480 one long arm to practice you on the back 800 02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,080 and one short arm that can't reach in 801 02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:44,880 your own pocket. and you wanted to go 802 02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:48,800 after the citizens that live around you 803 02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:51,840 and and uh 804 02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:55,199 try to make them pay for your problem. 805 02:04:55,199 --> 02:04:57,119 You dump all of your waste water in the 806 02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:59,760 river and it's exported. 807 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:03,760 You have no recyclable water from rain. 808 02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:05,920 You have no storm water capper. You just 809 02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:08,080 spent $500,000 810 02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:12,159 in six months on this JPA joke 811 02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:18,950 after you already lost in 2016. 812 02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:21,760 In those reports, it says by a certain 813 02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:22,960 date you're going to use all of your 814 02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:26,400 Nazi water. I got it right here. It says 815 02:05:26,400 --> 02:05:29,599 in 2025, are we in 2025? I think we are. 816 02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:32,719 Says you're going to use 100%. 817 02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:35,040 You're using 1,000 acre feet. the rest 818 02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:38,320 of it's going to Monterey for free. 819 02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:40,560 When you make a false statement of 820 02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,119 material fact and you have the knowledge 821 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:46,159 that that statement is untrue and you 822 02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,239 have the intent to deceive the people 823 02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,719 that live around here 824 02:05:50,719 --> 02:05:52,560 uh and the people have a reliance on 825 02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:55,280 your statements and you injure them, 826 02:05:55,280 --> 02:05:57,199 you've just committed fraud and you 827 02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:00,639 commit fraud every day with what you do. 828 02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:02,800 So, you need to look at this stuff. you 829 02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:04,880 need to study this stuff and if you want 830 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:07,119 to put something on an agenda where you 831 02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:09,199 actually want to have a discussion about 832 02:06:09,199 --> 02:06:11,280 what needs to happen then we can have 833 02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:13,119 that discussion with somebody that knows 834 02:06:13,119 --> 02:06:15,360 and not your staff and if you want me to 835 02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:17,280 bring their testimony from the court 836 02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:19,440 trial we've already lost five times I 837 02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:22,560 can do that too thank you 838 02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:26,229 >> thank you 839 02:06:26,239 --> 02:06:27,440 » Linup welcome 840 02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:32,069 >> hello I did not eat my waties today so I 841 02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:32,079 » hello I did not eat my waties today so I 842 02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:34,560 I'm actually here to say that um for 843 02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:37,520 general public comment that um the the 844 02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:39,360 fair, the midstate fair that just 845 02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:41,520 happened, I had the pleasure of riding 846 02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,840 my bicycle up the 24th Street Bridge. 847 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,679 So, one of the questions I have for Deus 848 02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:47,840 is when that bridge is rehabbed, is it 849 02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:50,000 going to be lowered? I think bike lanes 850 02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,520 are supposed to go into it. So, um I'm 851 02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:55,119 not an expert bike rider, but I think 852 02:06:55,119 --> 02:06:57,440 the most basic bike rider should be able 853 02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:58,880 to get up and over that bridge without 854 02:06:58,880 --> 02:07:01,119 being able to walk their bike. end with 855 02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:03,679 that. Um, I got a lot of good, positive 856 02:07:03,679 --> 02:07:05,520 feedback about the police department at 857 02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,400 the fair. They were very wellreceived. 858 02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,880 Um, some people said it was wonderful. 859 02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:12,320 There were no fights. I don't know if 860 02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:13,840 that's true, but there were no major 861 02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:16,159 fights out front. Um, we didn't have the 862 02:07:16,159 --> 02:07:18,719 food cart debacle that we had last year. 863 02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:20,400 So, I think it was overall a really 864 02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:24,639 great event. I spent um my my life 865 02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:26,880 savings there 866 02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:29,280 um with they have a lot of great vendors 867 02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,040 and it was a fun event. I've been there 868 02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:32,800 before but this year I took the time to 869 02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,440 go three times. So anyway, so I have 870 02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:37,040 that question and then I have something 871 02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,119 from last meeting. You guys were talking 872 02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:41,360 about the Olsen Ranch. I think it's 873 02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:44,239 project um all electric. I think 874 02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:47,119 somebody just said it right now. 3CE. I 875 02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:49,599 think it's a wonderful thing that we 876 02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:52,000 have a portion of the city that is going 877 02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,880 to go to people who want all electric 878 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:59,280 homes green. I think that is what we are 879 02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,599 are inching towards are trying to with 880 02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:04,719 Newsome in his merry band of legislature 881 02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:08,159 at the state. So I think it's a good 882 02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:11,520 thing. Um, I think that if we package it 883 02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,599 right and it comes back and we say to 884 02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:15,679 the IT people, the tech people in the 885 02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,079 Bay Area where I'm from, hey, we got all 886 02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,480 electric, we have this, we have that, 887 02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:22,960 they will come. But right now, there's 888 02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,360 nothing for them. So, the other thing 889 02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:28,719 that I'm concerned about is um well, 890 02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:30,560 even with that ice scare, I thought that 891 02:08:30,560 --> 02:08:32,560 that was really inappropriate. Who I 892 02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:34,079 guess it was the Democrats who did that. 893 02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:36,239 I went to the hotel. I spoke with the 894 02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,320 soldiers myself. Do you know that the 895 02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,079 hotel staff and the soldiers were being 896 02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:43,199 harassed? So if anybody has a pipeline 897 02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:45,520 into whoever created that mess, it needs 898 02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,320 to stop because it is not okay for 899 02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:50,560 citizens to be harassing people who do 900 02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:53,119 their jobs. The hotel had a really big 901 02:08:53,119 --> 02:08:56,159 problem during that. So that's all I 902 02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,639 came to say for public comment. Um we 903 02:08:58,639 --> 02:09:01,199 are projected to be up to 44K in 10 904 02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:03,199 years and I think that was two years ago 905 02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:06,159 when you guys had that projection. So, I 906 02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:08,320 hope that eventually 907 02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,239 um we start getting the staff and 908 02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:12,960 everything we need to move with it. I 909 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,639 think it's really important that we keep 910 02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:19,199 up with that growth. Thank you, 911 02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:20,870 >> Dale. Welcome. 912 02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:20,880 » Dale. Welcome. 913 02:09:20,880 --> 02:09:25,510 >> Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with 914 02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:25,520 » Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with 915 02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:28,320 three members of this council and 916 02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:30,079 myself, we're all proud members of the 917 02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:32,560 Pastor Rob Rotary. And this Saturday, 918 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,880 we're having our biggest fundraiser, 919 02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:38,400 Wine Makers Cookoff. And it we gave 920 02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:41,920 $100,000 in scholarship this last June. 921 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,719 And we're very proud of that. And I'm 922 02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:47,520 proud to say that uh you three of you 923 02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:50,079 members of this council are members of 924 02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:54,000 that Rotary group as I am. Now, as to 925 02:09:54,000 --> 02:09:58,000 what Mr. Greg Groal said, "I was here 926 02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:59,760 when you were originally going to design 927 02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,440 that damn pipeline to go through the 928 02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:03,679 middle of the city." And I said, "That's 929 02:10:03,679 --> 02:10:06,159 crazy. You don't have no common sense. 930 02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:10,639 It already drains down and goes north to 931 02:10:10,639 --> 02:10:14,800 uh keep a constant flow in the river for 932 02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:16,320 selenus 933 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:18,880 uh so that they don't get 934 02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:22,400 saltwater intrusion." Well, so why not 935 02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:25,520 take the water and bend it and put in a 936 02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:30,000 pipeline and serve the city of Pasobos? 937 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,840 Why isn't it serving the city of 938 02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:33,679 Pasarobos? 939 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:36,480 All that money to build a pipeline and 940 02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:39,599 it's all going to help the farmers in 941 02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:41,119 Selenas. 942 02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:43,440 It doesn't make sense. And now you got a 943 02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:46,560 problem. Supposedly, a lot of us don't 944 02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:49,679 agree you have a overdraft problem, but 945 02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,960 somebody said we did. And you've got the 946 02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:56,079 solution. just put that water from the 947 02:10:56,079 --> 02:10:58,000 Selenus that you're not using for our 948 02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:03,040 citizens back into the aquafer and the 949 02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:06,159 uh main uh 950 02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:12,000 water tank which we call a a a 951 02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:13,520 largest 952 02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:15,920 I call it a reservoir. 953 02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,159 Anyway, it just makes sense that the 954 02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:23,440 city is the is the one of the biggest 955 02:11:23,440 --> 02:11:26,719 culprits of this problem cuz you're not 956 02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:29,679 doing anything to help cure the problem. 957 02:11:29,679 --> 02:11:31,679 And you, John Hammond, sit up there and 958 02:11:31,679 --> 02:11:33,360 say, "Oh, we're going to find another 959 02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,199 way to fund this organization that's 960 02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:36,960 doing nothing." 961 02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:41,280 Why? You have a plan in place. And part 962 02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:44,000 of that plan should be for pastor Robos 963 02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:46,239 to do their fair share and helping to 964 02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:51,270 overcome the problem if it's a problem. 965 02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,040 » Michael, welcome. 966 02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:56,950 >> Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh 967 02:11:56,950 --> 02:11:56,960 » Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh 968 02:11:56,960 --> 02:11:59,679 thanks for 3CE and their presentation. 969 02:11:59,679 --> 02:12:01,679 However, there's a problem. 970 02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:03,679 uh his presentation was great but there 971 02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:07,280 was no information related to how much 972 02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,440 the taxpayers 973 02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:13,280 have paid for that what the total cost 974 02:12:13,280 --> 02:12:15,440 and investment and I don't call an 975 02:12:15,440 --> 02:12:18,320 investment I call it there's pro there 976 02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:19,760 probably be other ways we have an ocean 977 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:22,400 of natural gas off the coast and nobody 978 02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:25,440 seems to be caring a lick about that but 979 02:12:25,440 --> 02:12:27,599 that's another argument but the bottom 980 02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:30,639 line is his presentation said nothing 981 02:12:30,639 --> 02:12:33,520 about what the total cost of this 982 02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:35,599 renewable energy is costing the 983 02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:39,599 taxpayers and the as as it relates to 984 02:12:39,599 --> 02:12:42,320 reliability. There's some question as to 985 02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:44,800 what that now your job here is to 986 02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:46,880 protect and defend the interests of the 987 02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,360 people of this city. And by not asking 988 02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:51,360 the simple question of what is the total 989 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:54,639 cost of this to the public 990 02:12:54,639 --> 02:12:56,800 as I think their election, you guys 991 02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:58,480 really need to start drilling down on 992 02:12:58,480 --> 02:13:00,639 this. So, if we could get that 993 02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:02,880 information, that'd be great. Uh, the 994 02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:04,960 other thing is, uh, Mayor Hammond, I'm 995 02:13:04,960 --> 02:13:07,599 so disappointed 996 02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:09,760 in your leadership. This whole thing 997 02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:12,159 with Chris Bosch and the amount of money 998 02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:15,760 that's be this money, this city spends 999 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:18,960 so much money on things that are just 1000 02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:21,280 ridiculous. 1001 02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,040 This thing with Chris should have been 1002 02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:26,400 put to bed. And I was brought into this 1003 02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,239 thing because you indicated that there 1004 02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,079 was a conspiracy 1005 02:13:30,079 --> 02:13:32,159 and I would like to know where is the 1006 02:13:32,159 --> 02:13:35,360 conspiracy. I haven't seen anything. 1007 02:13:35,360 --> 02:13:38,639 Where's the followup on that? I was I 1008 02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:43,199 was smeared during the election cycle 1009 02:13:43,199 --> 02:13:45,040 by that statement that you made 1010 02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:47,840 suggesting that somehow these people 1011 02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:50,960 were involved in an infarious collusion 1012 02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:54,239 pro thing which was ridiculous. and 1013 02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:55,760 absurd. 1014 02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,560 So sir, you could have stopped this by 1015 02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,119 just simply saying we need to stop this 1016 02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:03,920 and I misspoke. I was incorrect. There 1017 02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:05,920 was no conspiracy. And for you to 1018 02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:08,480 suggest that is an outrage and and 1019 02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:11,360 really despicable. And 1020 02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:14,880 for Mr. Greywall, he makes good points 1021 02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:16,800 that the amount of money that's being 1022 02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:18,880 wasted by this city in a variety of 1023 02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:22,400 different ways with legal counsel, etc. 1024 02:14:22,400 --> 02:14:24,800 should shock the people of this city. 1025 02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:26,960 We're a small city. We have a lot of 1026 02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,280 needs here. For God's sake, I spoke 1027 02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:32,400 about the roads. For how long? 1028 02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:34,239 And we're getting half Crestston done 1029 02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:35,760 now. We're going to take God knows how 1030 02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:38,880 long to get it done to to to food for 1031 02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:40,400 less. 1032 02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,480 I hope people's teeth stay in their 1033 02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:45,040 head. 1034 02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:47,040 This is ridiculous, 1035 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:50,719 John. And your leadership has has not 1036 02:14:50,719 --> 02:14:53,679 been good. And it's and it's not good. 1037 02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:56,400 And and and I'm sad because I want the 1038 02:14:56,400 --> 02:14:58,800 best for this city and I know you do too 1039 02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:00,320 actually. 1040 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,480 But I think your your your decision-m 1041 02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:04,960 has been poor. 1042 02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:08,000 And so as it relates to Chris Bos, Chris 1043 02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,880 Bos just asked questions and I'll I'll 1044 02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:12,800 finish right now. Okay. Chris Ba was 1045 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,760 simply asking questions and directing 1046 02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:18,800 his questions directly as his is right 1047 02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:20,400 as a representative of the people of 1048 02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:23,119 this city and for him to be accused of 1049 02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:26,000 something like what you accused him of 1050 02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,159 is outrageous. 1051 02:15:28,159 --> 02:15:29,510 >> Thank you. 1052 02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:29,520 » Thank you. 1053 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:53,030 >> Anyone else? Murray 1054 02:15:53,040 --> 02:16:04,870 Thank 1055 02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:23,669 you. 1056 02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:26,800 Go ahead, Murray. Okay. Murray Pal 1057 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:30,719 temple and resident uh property owner 1058 02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:36,000 of property in the Paso bas. So I'm here 1059 02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:38,479 today. am a little disappointed that on 1060 02:16:38,479 --> 02:16:42,240 your agenda you don't have a agenda item 1061 02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:45,519 for the paso base and GSA 1062 02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:48,880 you guys are the GSA for the pastoral 1063 02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:50,479 city 1064 02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:55,599 and I haven't seen any GSA paso city 1065 02:16:55,599 --> 02:16:59,200 meetings lately at your council meetings 1066 02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:01,760 in the past you've uh done them and 1067 02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,840 you've done them in the right way and I 1068 02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,479 appreciate that. So anyway, what I've 1069 02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:11,599 handed out today is a uh a document 1070 02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:15,040 that's actually kind of a cost and 1071 02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:18,399 income statement type situation for four 1072 02:17:18,399 --> 02:17:21,040 or five months that was handed out on 1073 02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:23,280 August 1st. And for all the folks here 1074 02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:26,559 that don't know, uh there was a 218 1075 02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:28,479 process a lot of you probably heard 1076 02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:31,359 about. And on May 1st, I mean, I'm 1077 02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:34,479 sorry, on August 1st, it was defeated. 1078 02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:36,160 defeated. 1079 02:17:36,160 --> 02:17:39,920 And there's four GSAs, this one and 1080 02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,319 three others that are now part of this 1081 02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:47,200 new uh uh authority, this GPA authority. 1082 02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,399 And if you look at this uh document, 1083 02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:54,960 you'll see that uh the four uh GSAs had 1084 02:17:54,960 --> 02:17:59,040 uh uh contributed a while back uh 1085 02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:01,840 $229,000 1086 02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:05,040 out of their own funds, including uh the 1087 02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:09,040 general fund of the Paso City uh to fund 1088 02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:13,120 this uh 218 situation. And if you also 1089 02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:15,280 look at the last column, you'll see a 1090 02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:17,200 $250,000 1091 02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:21,280 in September column uh that according to 1092 02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:26,479 the treasurer of the GPA uh will be due 1093 02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:30,960 uh from each of the GS GSAs. So your 1094 02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:34,080 share between the the earlier one and 1095 02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:37,200 this one is about 75,000. 1096 02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,920 Not a big number, you know, in your 1097 02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:43,040 budget. I know understand, but you just 1098 02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:45,920 guys keep wasting money on these things 1099 02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:49,920 and nothing's getting done. So, uh I 1100 02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,040 would like you to uh uh your next 1101 02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:57,519 meeting uh bring uh your GSA 1102 02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:00,639 uh agenda up and explain to the county 1103 02:19:00,639 --> 02:19:03,200 or to the people in this city what 1104 02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:06,960 you're wasting the money on. So right 1105 02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:10,399 now um 1106 02:19:10,399 --> 02:19:12,240 let's see if there's anything else here. 1107 02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:15,120 It's my yellow light. 1108 02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:19,040 So uh you know the purpose of this uh 1109 02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:23,760 authority is to implement the GSP 1110 02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:28,399 that uh was approved by the DWR in 2020. 1111 02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:30,559 And so far you haven't done anything. 1112 02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,719 All you've done is spent money and you 1113 02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:34,880 haven't saved one drop of water. 1114 02:19:34,880 --> 02:19:36,950 >> All right. Thank you, Murray. We're 1115 02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:36,960 » All right. Thank you, Murray. We're 1116 02:19:36,960 --> 02:19:39,920 gonna actually have an item on our next 1117 02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:43,599 agenda next two weeks. Friday's meeting, 1118 02:19:43,599 --> 02:19:45,439 we couldn't get it agendaized because 1119 02:19:45,439 --> 02:19:47,519 you have to post it ahead of time. So, 1120 02:19:47,519 --> 02:19:49,120 we are talking about it next meeting. 1121 02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:50,720 So, if you want to come at that point, 1122 02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:53,270 >> that would be appreciated. I think a lot 1123 02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:53,280 » that would be appreciated. I think a lot 1124 02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:55,439 of people need to understand more what's 1125 02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:57,280 going on and what you guys are doing 1126 02:19:57,280 --> 02:19:58,080 about it. 1127 02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:00,950 >> Thank you. 1128 02:20:00,950 --> 02:20:00,960 » Thank you. 1129 02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:03,040 Anyone else? 1130 02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:06,950 Sharon. 1131 02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,880 » Good evening. Uh, my name is Sharon 1132 02:20:08,880 --> 02:20:10,399 Rhoden. I'm speaking as a private 1133 02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:12,960 citizen. At the end of the last meeting 1134 02:20:12,960 --> 02:20:15,439 during council's comments, Mr. Baos made 1135 02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,720 a comment about how many records he has 1136 02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:21,280 produced for the records request, some 1137 02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:23,359 of which date prior to November of last 1138 02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:25,200 year. He noted that the other council 1139 02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:27,359 members combined had submitted less than 1140 02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:30,560 50 records. end quote in the absence of 1141 02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:32,880 any emails turned in by former council 1142 02:20:32,880 --> 02:20:36,640 member Sharon Rhoden end quote 1143 02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:39,200 perhaps intimating that I had with 1144 02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:42,000 forethought and purpose of evasion not 1145 02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:44,640 produced emails in my possession or my 1146 02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,240 devices 1147 02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:49,600 to clarify I turned my city devices over 1148 02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:53,120 to the city for evaluation I did so in a 1149 02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:55,920 timely manner without the necessity of a 1150 02:20:55,920 --> 02:20:59,359 lawsuit or a judge's order to do 1151 02:20:59,359 --> 02:21:01,920 I signed an affidavit stating under 1152 02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:04,640 penalty of perjury that I had produced 1153 02:21:04,640 --> 02:21:08,080 all known records per the request. I 1154 02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:10,640 signed this affidavit affidavit without 1155 02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:13,200 the need for a judge to instruct me to 1156 02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:16,319 do so. Mr. Rivera is correct. The city 1157 02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:18,960 has wasted a lot of money. I would guess 1158 02:21:18,960 --> 02:21:21,520 maybe a million dollars on one council 1159 02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:23,359 member because this council member 1160 02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:25,920 refused to abide by the laws in 1161 02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:28,960 providing records in a timely manner. 1162 02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:31,840 When I received an email about a couple 1163 02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:35,359 of weeks ago requesting texts, I didn't 1164 02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:38,640 wait for a formal request, a lawsuit, or 1165 02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,800 judicial intervention. 1166 02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:43,439 The only device that I use for texting 1167 02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:46,560 is my personal phone. But I did not 1168 02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:49,600 hesitate. I took my private devices to 1169 02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:52,080 the city for their analysis. They 1170 02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:53,920 determined there were two texts, both 1171 02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:57,200 containing only public information. 1172 02:21:57,200 --> 02:21:59,439 No discussion of replacing a council 1173 02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:03,120 member, no city business discussed, and 1174 02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:05,520 no use of derogatory names for council 1175 02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:08,479 members or city staff. This is not how I 1176 02:22:08,479 --> 02:22:12,160 conduct myself. In short, I produce my 1177 02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:15,439 city devices for review. I produced my 1178 02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:18,640 private devices for review. I signed an 1179 02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:21,120 affidavit in a timely manner stating I 1180 02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:24,479 had produced records requested. 1181 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:26,479 You, Mr. Bow, cannot make the same 1182 02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:29,200 claim. Based upon these facts, Mr. 1183 02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,200 Bosch, I would request that you clarify 1184 02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:33,439 your statement so as not to give the 1185 02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:35,280 impression that I had eluded any 1186 02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:38,479 requests for records. Thank you. 1187 02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:41,990 >> Thank you. Anyone else in the room for 1188 02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:42,000 » Thank you. Anyone else in the room for 1189 02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,560 public comment? 1190 02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:45,760 Do we have anyone online? 1191 02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:48,790 >> I do have one caller, Jan Alban. 1192 02:22:48,790 --> 02:22:48,800 » I do have one caller, Jan Alban. 1193 02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:51,990 >> Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead. 1194 02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:52,000 » Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead. 1195 02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:54,790 >> Yes. And can you hear me? 1196 02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:54,800 » Yes. And can you hear me? 1197 02:22:54,800 --> 02:22:56,630 >> Yes. Go ahead. 1198 02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:56,640 » Yes. Go ahead. 1199 02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:59,670 >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a 1200 02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:59,680 » Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a 1201 02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,200 resident of Coil Run Senior Community 1202 02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,920 and I'd like to take this opportunity to 1203 02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:08,960 thank the citizens of Pasarobos for 1204 02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:12,080 standing up, protesting, and voting down 1205 02:23:12,080 --> 02:23:15,280 the plan to tax well users for their own 1206 02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,640 water. Water that by law belongs to 1207 02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:23,359 them. Water this quasi authority had no 1208 02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:25,760 legal right to tax or attempt to 1209 02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:28,640 control. These are Bruce Gibson's 1210 02:23:28,640 --> 02:23:32,160 minions, basically water pirates, acting 1211 02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,080 under the guise of some legitimate 1212 02:23:34,080 --> 02:23:36,880 authority. And I'm reminded of the movie 1213 02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:39,760 Chinatown, where it's all about money, 1214 02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:42,880 power, and control of the water. If you 1215 02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:44,960 control the water, you control the 1216 02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:47,680 world. Well, happily, the cities 1217 02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:50,319 citizens voted this down and with any 1218 02:23:50,319 --> 02:23:53,200 luck sent a message to the next hopeful 1219 02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,200 group of pretenders that we're not 1220 02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:59,280 having it. The days of to bully, the 1221 02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,840 days of trying to bully and get over on 1222 02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,960 the citizens has passed. Thank you. 1223 02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:06,790 >> Thank you. 1224 02:24:06,790 --> 02:24:06,800 » Thank you. 1225 02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:08,550 >> Anyone else? 1226 02:24:08,550 --> 02:24:08,560 » Anyone else? 1227 02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:11,750 >> No, sir. 1228 02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:11,760 » No, sir. 1229 02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:13,990 >> Let's uh take care of that phone, 1230 02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:14,000 » Let's uh take care of that phone, 1231 02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:21,590 whoever that is. 1232 02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,479 » Okay. Uh anyone else online? 1233 02:24:24,479 --> 02:24:25,190 >> No, sir. 1234 02:24:25,190 --> 02:24:25,200 » No, sir. 1235 02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:26,790 >> Okay. We'll go ahead and close public 1236 02:24:26,790 --> 02:24:26,800 » Okay. We'll go ahead and close public 1237 02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:28,240 comment 1238 02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:31,190 >> yes. Go ahead Mr. B 1239 02:24:31,190 --> 02:24:31,200 » yes. Go ahead Mr. B 1240 02:24:31,200 --> 02:24:35,270 >> to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning 1241 02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:35,280 » to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning 1242 02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:38,000 commissioner uh Sher speaking as a 1243 02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:42,240 private citizen. Um 1244 02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:46,479 Miss Rhoden was not under threat of a uh 1245 02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:50,240 lawsuit from a city employee at the time 1246 02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:54,640 the prior uh records requests were made. 1247 02:24:54,640 --> 02:25:00,640 Uh she also was not uh um 1248 02:25:00,640 --> 02:25:03,359 uh instructed by her attorney as I was 1249 02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:07,120 to uh withhold any uh production of 1250 02:25:07,120 --> 02:25:09,840 public records request until after the 1251 02:25:09,840 --> 02:25:11,760 threat of the lawsuit had passed on 1252 02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:15,200 March 16th, 2025. 1253 02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:18,640 Uh the record is already abundantly 1254 02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:21,359 clear that I provided my records prior 1255 02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:27,040 to a judge ordering me to do so. I uh 1256 02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:32,399 the record uh the judge uh provided an 1257 02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:35,120 instruction to clarify who I was to 1258 02:25:35,120 --> 02:25:39,760 deliver the records to. Um, 1259 02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:41,920 the 1260 02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:44,560 emails that I referred to in my comments 1261 02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,600 were from private devices, not 1262 02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:50,720 city-owned devices. The city devices and 1263 02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:52,800 production of records from city devices 1264 02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,840 has never been in question. Only the 1265 02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:58,479 production of records from our private 1266 02:25:58,479 --> 02:26:01,359 devices. So, I hopefully that clarifies 1267 02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,520 the comment, Miss Rhoden, and hopefully 1268 02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:05,600 that satisfies you this evening. Thank 1269 02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:06,800 you. 1270 02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:08,880 Yeah, thank you Chris. 1271 02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:11,040 Moving on with the agenda. Next, we have 1272 02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,880 agenda items to be deferred. Mr. Huat, 1273 02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:13,680 do we have any? Uh, 1274 02:26:13,680 --> 02:26:15,190 >> mayor, no items for deferral this 1275 02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:15,200 » mayor, no items for deferral this 1276 02:26:15,200 --> 02:26:15,760 evening. 1277 02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,510 >> Very good. So, then we move on then to 1278 02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:17,520 » Very good. So, then we move on then to 1279 02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,040 the overview of items on consent 1280 02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:20,960 calendar. And you have that item, Mr. 1281 02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:21,439 Huah. 1282 02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:23,750 >> Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine 1283 02:26:23,750 --> 02:26:23,760 » Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine 1284 02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:25,359 items on a consent calendar this 1285 02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:27,040 evening. The first is the approval of 1286 02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:29,200 the meeting minutes for the July 15th, 1287 02:26:29,200 --> 02:26:32,560 20 uh July 15, 2025 city council 1288 02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,800 meeting. Item number two is the receipt 1289 02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:37,120 of advisory body minutes for the youth 1290 02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:40,240 commission meeting on May 7th, the parks 1291 02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:42,800 and recreation advisory committee on May 1292 02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:44,880 12th, the senior citizens advisory 1293 02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:46,960 committee on May 12th, and the community 1294 02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:48,960 services advisory body special joint 1295 02:26:48,960 --> 02:26:51,600 reorganization meeting on June 18th. 1296 02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,760 Item number three, at the request of the 1297 02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:55,200 city council, I believe your last 1298 02:26:55,200 --> 02:26:58,160 meeting, uh this item is a cancellation 1299 02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:01,680 of your September 4th, 2025 regular city 1300 02:27:01,680 --> 02:27:04,160 council meeting. and uh directing city 1301 02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,840 staff to schedule a special meeting in 1302 02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:08,960 the month of September if necessary. 1303 02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:10,880 Item number four is the receipt of the 1304 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:14,640 treasures report for May of 2025. 1305 02:27:14,640 --> 02:27:16,640 Item number five is the receipt of the 1306 02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:19,439 warrant register uh since our last 1307 02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:23,040 report. Uh $6.7 million 1308 02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:24,960 uh has been made in payments from the 1309 02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:27,200 city to various vendors for various 1310 02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:29,280 activities. I will cover those items 1311 02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:31,680 that exceed $100,000 and there are 1312 02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:33,760 several of them. So please bear with me. 1313 02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:35,920 Uh the first is a payment to Best and 1314 02:27:35,920 --> 02:27:39,280 Creger LLP for April 2025 attorneys 1315 02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,040 fees. This comes from a variety of 1316 02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:42,560 different funding sources including 1317 02:27:42,560 --> 02:27:44,720 developer reimbursements in the amount 1318 02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:48,710 of $271,4944. 1319 02:27:48,720 --> 02:27:50,560 Second item is a payment to Page 1320 02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:52,399 Construction for the construction 1321 02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:54,240 contract for the Golden Hill Road 1322 02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:56,080 repairs. This comes out of the capital 1323 02:27:56,080 --> 02:27:57,600 improvement fund in the amount of 1324 02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:02,630 $174,784.54. 1325 02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:04,560 The next item is a payment to California 1326 02:28:04,560 --> 02:28:07,040 Joint Power Insurance Agency. This is 1327 02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:08,960 for the city's annual liability and 1328 02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:11,359 workers comp programs uh in the amount 1329 02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:15,990 of 2.2,671,75. 1330 02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:17,920 The next item is a payment to California 1331 02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:21,600 Joint Power Insurance Agency for the uh 1332 02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:24,800 risk uh property insurance program in 1333 02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:28,950 the amount of $336,289. 1334 02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:30,880 Next item is a payment to First American 1335 02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:33,280 Title Company. This is related to an 1336 02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:36,080 easement acquisition uh per a previously 1337 02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:38,160 approved agreement uh in the amount of 1338 02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:41,670 $392,496. 1339 02:28:41,680 --> 02:28:43,600 The next item is a payment to Best &ing 1340 02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:47,280 Creger LLP for the May 2025 attorney's 1341 02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:49,520 fees. Again, coming out of a variety of 1342 02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:53,439 different funds in the amount of uh 1343 02:28:53,439 --> 02:28:57,429 $242,71.83. 1344 02:28:57,439 --> 02:28:59,840 Next item is a payment to Pacific Gas 1345 02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:03,439 and Electric. This is for the June 2025 1346 02:29:03,439 --> 02:29:05,680 uh utility costs coming out of the water 1347 02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:10,469 fund in the amount of $162,491. 1348 02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:12,000 Next item is a payment to grant a 1349 02:29:12,000 --> 02:29:14,479 construction company. This is related to 1350 02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:17,280 the constant road phase one project that 1351 02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:19,280 Mrs. Esparange spoke about earlier. 1352 02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:20,720 Comes out of the capital improvement 1353 02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:26,309 fund in the amount of $228,43147. 1354 02:29:26,319 --> 02:29:28,160 Uh next item is a payment to Cal 1355 02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:30,319 Portland construction. Uh this is 1356 02:29:30,319 --> 02:29:32,479 related to road repairs in the Serenade 1357 02:29:32,479 --> 02:29:34,319 Brahma area. comes out of the capital 1358 02:29:34,319 --> 02:29:35,760 improvement fund in the amount of 1359 02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:40,309 $33,210.74. 1360 02:29:40,319 --> 02:29:42,319 Next item is a pass through payment made 1361 02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:45,120 to visit SlowCal. This is related to the 1362 02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,600 tourism assessment district uh for the 1363 02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:50,319 May 2025 and that pass through amount 1364 02:29:50,319 --> 02:29:54,950 was $133,22843. 1365 02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:57,600 Uh similarly, the last uh notable 1366 02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:00,720 payment is to Travel Paso for the May 1367 02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:04,080 2025 tourism improvement district and 1368 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:09,830 that passed their amount as $176,881. 1369 02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:11,520 Moving on, item six on the consent 1370 02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:14,960 calendar this evening is a renewal uh of 1371 02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:17,520 the Pasar Robels Library Study Center 1372 02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:18,800 lease with the superintendent of 1373 02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:21,359 schools. This is for uh the study center 1374 02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:25,120 facility, I believe, at 3600 Oak Street. 1375 02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:27,680 Uh item number seven is the approval of 1376 02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:29,760 an application to the land and water 1377 02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:32,720 conservation fund. Uh this would provide 1378 02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:35,760 additional funding to move the Beachwood 1379 02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:38,640 Park project forward. I believe the city 1380 02:30:38,640 --> 02:30:40,880 is uh planning to apply for a little 1381 02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:44,080 more than $3 million. Uh and this grant 1382 02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:47,040 requires a resolution uh of the city 1383 02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:50,319 council to apply. Item number eight is 1384 02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:52,560 the award of a construction contract for 1385 02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:55,520 the repair and re and rehabilitation of 1386 02:30:55,520 --> 02:30:58,640 certain uh utility mains on 17th Street 1387 02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:01,280 Capitol Hill Almond Court uh and a 1388 02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:03,280 change order as it relates to those 1389 02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:05,439 construction services. And then finally, 1390 02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:07,359 item number nine tonight is a change 1391 02:31:07,359 --> 02:31:10,000 order related to uh North Coast's 1392 02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:11,760 engineering contract. And this is 1393 02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:15,120 related to uh preparation work for the 1394 02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,680 Crest and Road phase 2 project that Miss 1395 02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:20,080 Espiranto spoke about earlier. Mayor, 1396 02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:21,600 that concludes a summary of the consent 1397 02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:22,800 calendar. We're happy to answer any 1398 02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:23,280 questions. 1399 02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:26,230 >> Very good, Chris. Um items on consent 1400 02:31:26,230 --> 02:31:26,240 » Very good, Chris. Um items on consent 1401 02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:28,080 calendar are considered routine, do not 1402 02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:29,920 require separate discussion. However, if 1403 02:31:29,920 --> 02:31:32,160 any member of the council or the public 1404 02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:33,920 has any specific questions or 1405 02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:36,000 clarification on a particular item on 1406 02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,240 consent, we will address them now before 1407 02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:40,960 a vote is taken. uh if a full discussion 1408 02:31:40,960 --> 02:31:43,680 is desired by a member of the public or 1409 02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:46,479 the council that will cause the item 10 1410 02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:49,200 to be removed and uh added to the end of 1411 02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,600 the discussion items for tonight. Well, 1412 02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:53,680 I'll ask the council if they have any 1413 02:31:53,680 --> 02:31:55,680 questions or would like to pull any 1414 02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:58,319 items on the consent. I have a question 1415 02:31:58,319 --> 02:32:01,520 for DAS on P8 1416 02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:04,150 >> and that's for the uh contract on the 1417 02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:04,160 » and that's for the uh contract on the 1418 02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:06,160 water and sewer mains 1419 02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:08,790 >> and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor 1420 02:32:08,790 --> 02:32:08,800 » and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor 1421 02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:11,040 that is the low bid but I'm curious if 1422 02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,760 they're using any local subs or local 1423 02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:15,439 laborers for that if you have that 1424 02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:22,630 information. 1425 02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:24,319 Yeah, there's only one sub on that 1426 02:32:24,319 --> 02:32:26,080 project and it's to provide traffic 1427 02:32:26,080 --> 02:32:31,270 control and they're from Santa Bria. 1428 02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:34,160 » So yeah, Chris. Okay, on my right pro 1429 02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:34,640 Gregory. 1430 02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:37,429 >> Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question 1431 02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:37,439 » Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question 1432 02:32:37,439 --> 02:32:40,160 on 8 for you too. What is the location 1433 02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:42,000 of the rehabilitation of the water and 1434 02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:45,520 sewer mains on 17th? 1435 02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:48,389 >> Actually, these are um fixing some old 1436 02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:48,399 » Actually, these are um fixing some old 1437 02:32:48,399 --> 02:32:50,880 water valves. So they're all at several 1438 02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:54,800 intersections 18th, 19th, 21st is just 1439 02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:57,680 to uh they're old and will break any 1440 02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:59,359 minute and so we need to fix them 1441 02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:02,880 because Riverside from 17th to 21st is 1442 02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:05,520 on the list to repair for roads. 1443 02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:07,910 >> Okay, thank you 1444 02:33:07,910 --> 02:33:07,920 » Okay, thank you 1445 02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:08,160 Chris. 1446 02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:10,389 >> You okay? I'll open up the public. 1447 02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:10,399 » You okay? I'll open up the public. 1448 02:33:10,399 --> 02:33:12,240 Anybody having a question on any item on 1449 02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:13,840 consent, please come forward. 1450 02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:16,630 >> Hi, Linda George 126 Street number 1451 02:33:16,630 --> 02:33:16,640 » Hi, Linda George 126 Street number 1452 02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:18,800 three. Should I ask my question now? 1453 02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:19,359 Yes. 1454 02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:21,349 >> Okay. Well, that's what I was re 1455 02:33:21,349 --> 02:33:21,359 » Okay. Well, that's what I was re 1456 02:33:21,359 --> 02:33:23,040 referring actually to about the growth 1457 02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:26,000 of the city and being 44,000. Um I think 1458 02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,000 it was projected in the next 10 years, 1459 02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:30,240 Chris. Um, I'm not sure if that's that 1460 02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:32,160 was two years ago when that projection 1461 02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:34,399 was made, but my concern about 1462 02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:37,680 cancelling meetings and um, right now 1463 02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:40,640 it's a part-time situation and as the 1464 02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:42,640 city grows it, we're going to need 1465 02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,160 obviously more staff, but we're going to 1466 02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:47,200 need our council to spend more time and 1467 02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:50,000 making decisions. So, I am absolutely 1468 02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,479 adverse to you guys cancelling any 1469 02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:54,479 meeting unless it's an emergency when 1470 02:33:54,479 --> 02:33:57,040 you only have two a month. So, I urge 1471 02:33:57,040 --> 02:33:58,800 you to reschedule the one you're going 1472 02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:00,160 to cancel. 1473 02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:03,429 >> Very good. Anyone else? 1474 02:34:03,429 --> 02:34:03,439 » Very good. Anyone else? 1475 02:34:03,439 --> 02:34:05,520 Anyone online? 1476 02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:06,309 >> No, sir. 1477 02:34:06,309 --> 02:34:06,319 » No, sir. 1478 02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:07,830 >> Okay. We'll bring it back then to 1479 02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:07,840 » Okay. We'll bring it back then to 1480 02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:12,240 council for discussion and or direction. 1481 02:34:12,240 --> 02:34:15,190 >> Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve 1482 02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:15,200 » Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve 1483 02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:16,960 items one through nine on the consent 1484 02:34:16,960 --> 02:34:18,479 agenda as stated. 1485 02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:19,990 >> Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second 1486 02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:20,000 » Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second 1487 02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:23,040 by Bosch uh for approval of one through 1488 02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,200 nine on the consent calendar. Any uh 1489 02:34:25,200 --> 02:34:27,439 discussion? 1490 02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:28,550 >> Okay, we'll call for a question. 1491 02:34:28,550 --> 02:34:28,560 » Okay, we'll call for a question. 1492 02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:29,200 Melissa, 1493 02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:30,469 >> Council Member Gregory, 1494 02:34:30,469 --> 02:34:30,479 » Council Member Gregory, 1495 02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:30,870 >> I. 1496 02:34:30,870 --> 02:34:30,880 » I. 1497 02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:31,830 >> Council member Bosch, 1498 02:34:31,830 --> 02:34:31,840 » Council member Bosch, 1499 02:34:31,840 --> 02:34:32,469 >> hi. 1500 02:34:32,469 --> 02:34:32,479 » hi. 1501 02:34:32,479 --> 02:34:33,590 >> Council member Beal, 1502 02:34:33,590 --> 02:34:33,600 » Council member Beal, 1503 02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:33,990 >> I. 1504 02:34:33,990 --> 02:34:34,000 » I. 1505 02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:35,030 >> Council member Strong. 1506 02:34:35,030 --> 02:34:35,040 » Council member Strong. 1507 02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:35,429 >> Hi, 1508 02:34:35,429 --> 02:34:35,439 » Hi, 1509 02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:36,309 >> Mayor Hammond. 1510 02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:36,319 » Mayor Hammond. 1511 02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:36,710 >> Hi. 1512 02:34:36,710 --> 02:34:36,720 » Hi. 1513 02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:38,389 >> Motion passes unanimously. 1514 02:34:38,389 --> 02:34:38,399 » Motion passes unanimously. 1515 02:34:38,399 --> 02:34:40,950 >> Thank you. Next, we have public 1516 02:34:40,950 --> 02:34:40,960 » Thank you. Next, we have public 1517 02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:42,479 hearings. We'll open up public hearings. 1518 02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:44,240 And the first one is to consider a 1519 02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:46,000 specific plan amendment for the project 1520 02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:49,520 located at 258 Spring Street. And I 1521 02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:51,280 think we have Katie Banister going to be 1522 02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:56,630 doing that for me. 1523 02:34:56,640 --> 02:35:06,070 Welcome, Katie. 1524 02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:08,319 » Thank you, Mayor and City Council. So, 1525 02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:09,920 yes, as you said, this is a specific 1526 02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:11,920 plan amendment for a single property uh 1527 02:35:11,920 --> 02:35:13,359 that's in the Uptown Town Center 1528 02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:16,640 specific plan uh located at 258 Spring 1529 02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:19,040 Street. So, the application includes a 1530 02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:21,120 general plan amendment, a specific plan 1531 02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:22,560 amendment, and those are both amendments 1532 02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:25,040 to the maps. Um, and then a conditional 1533 02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:27,359 use permit, and a site plan review as 1534 02:35:27,359 --> 02:35:29,359 well. 1535 02:35:29,359 --> 02:35:32,080 So, location 258 Spring Street is 1536 02:35:32,080 --> 02:35:35,840 between 24th and 26th Street on um on 1537 02:35:35,840 --> 02:35:39,120 Spring Street. Uh to the east is 1538 02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:40,560 manufacturing areas. That's in the 1539 02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:42,960 Riverside Corridor Zoning District. Uh 1540 02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:44,319 to the north, there are a few 1541 02:35:44,319 --> 02:35:46,479 residential uses. This is a a a 1542 02:35:46,479 --> 02:35:48,319 residence. Of course, it is within that 1543 02:35:48,319 --> 02:35:50,640 manufacturing area. So, this is uh 1544 02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:52,800 sandwiched between commercial and and uh 1545 02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:54,720 and manufacturing, but there is a 1546 02:35:54,720 --> 02:35:57,280 residential use there. We do also uh I 1547 02:35:57,280 --> 02:35:58,800 think this is an abandoned residence in 1548 02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:00,479 the yellow here, but there is a house 1549 02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,399 located there. And then there is some 1550 02:36:02,399 --> 02:36:05,520 new residential proposed uh uh where the 1551 02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:07,200 Moose Lodge used to be located there at 1552 02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:09,840 the corner of 26 in Spring. There's also 1553 02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:12,560 a hotel to the south uh um just behind 1554 02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:15,120 Wraid. And then of course the the um the 1555 02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,880 junior high school is just across the 1556 02:36:16,880 --> 02:36:18,800 street. 1557 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:20,880 So looking at the general plan map um 1558 02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,720 there are several general plan land use 1559 02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:25,359 designations um in the in the vicinity. 1560 02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:26,640 The property is currently in the 1561 02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:29,680 mixeduse 12 uh land use designation and 1562 02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,600 just to the south is the community 1563 02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,399 commercial uh land use designation. So 1564 02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:36,880 the both the general plan map and the 1565 02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:38,800 zoning map change right at this property 1566 02:36:38,800 --> 02:36:40,640 at its southern boundary. And so the 1567 02:36:40,640 --> 02:36:42,720 applicant is requesting to move from the 1568 02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:44,960 light purple area into the dark purple 1569 02:36:44,960 --> 02:36:47,920 area. Um the mixeduse zone is the 1570 02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:49,840 mixeduse 12 zone is more of a 1571 02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:51,200 residential zone where limited 1572 02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:53,680 commercial uses are allowed whereas the 1573 02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:56,319 the CC the the community commercial 1574 02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:58,160 general plan designation is more of a 1575 02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:00,160 commercial area where residential is 1576 02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:01,680 allowed. So, it's just kind of moving 1577 02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:04,560 the balance between um kind of light 1578 02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:06,800 light commercial uses to some um some 1579 02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:08,720 more intensive commercial uses is what 1580 02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:11,840 would largely be the change. 1581 02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:14,000 Similarly, the zoning uh changes here as 1582 02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:15,840 well. So, the property is currently in 1583 02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:18,640 the T4F zoning district and would like 1584 02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:21,439 to be in the TC2 zoning district. You 1585 02:37:21,439 --> 02:37:23,359 can see the purposes of those two 1586 02:37:23,359 --> 02:37:26,319 districts on the left uh for the T T4F 1587 02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:28,960 and TC2. But similarly as I explained 1588 02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:32,240 for the land use designations, T4F uh 1589 02:37:32,240 --> 02:37:34,160 primarily residential with some uh 1590 02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:37,280 limited commercial and the red TC2 1591 02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:38,800 primarily commercial with some 1592 02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:41,439 residential allowed. 1593 02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:43,680 So there are um certain uses that are 1594 02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:45,600 allowed in the TC2 that are not 1595 02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:47,680 currently allowed in the T4F. So if the 1596 02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:49,280 planning comm excuse me, if the city 1597 02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:51,200 council were to change the zoning of 1598 02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:54,160 this lot, um the uses in the red column 1599 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,160 will now be allowed on this site. Of 1600 02:37:56,160 --> 02:37:57,680 course, these are uses that are allowed 1601 02:37:57,680 --> 02:37:59,520 immediately to the south. Um, so this 1602 02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:01,280 would just be expanding the area where 1603 02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:03,760 there are some auto serving and alcohol 1604 02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:07,280 serving um as well as um hotel and and 1605 02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:09,280 some visitor serving uses would would be 1606 02:38:09,280 --> 02:38:13,520 allowed um on this site as well. 1607 02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,120 There are some development standards 1608 02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:18,000 that would be changed. The T4F has um 1609 02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:20,240 basically shorter buildings and larger 1610 02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:22,720 setbacks. Uh the residential density 1611 02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:24,319 would actually be the same. you can do 1612 02:38:24,319 --> 02:38:27,359 30 uh dwelling units per acre um both in 1613 02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:30,479 the T4F and the TC2 but you'll see in 1614 02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:32,560 the right hand column TC2 you could do 1615 02:38:32,560 --> 02:38:34,399 taller buildings and then the buildings 1616 02:38:34,399 --> 02:38:39,429 can be closer to the property lines. 1617 02:38:39,439 --> 02:38:41,600 So the building the existing building um 1618 02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:43,520 has been there for many years. It was uh 1619 02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:45,600 Western Courts had its uh headquarters 1620 02:38:45,600 --> 02:38:47,760 here. There was a dance studio here very 1621 02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:50,720 recently um but it is currently vacant. 1622 02:38:50,720 --> 02:38:53,120 So, the applicant is uh proposing to 1623 02:38:53,120 --> 02:38:55,120 make some uh remodeling to the building. 1624 02:38:55,120 --> 02:38:56,960 They would uh paint over existing 1625 02:38:56,960 --> 02:38:59,120 materials um to give them a fresh new 1626 02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:01,439 look, put some new sighting on the walls 1627 02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,640 as well. 1628 02:39:04,640 --> 02:39:06,640 And this is in order, this is the site 1629 02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:08,319 plan. Um they would put new landscaping 1630 02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:10,479 and some new decks at both the front and 1631 02:39:10,479 --> 02:39:12,160 rear of the property and then along this 1632 02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,319 side. Um they do continue to meet their 1633 02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:17,520 parking requirement. Um and um some some 1634 02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:20,640 nice improvements to the property. 1635 02:39:20,640 --> 02:39:22,720 Uh here's some looks the this is the 1636 02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:24,240 deck that's towards the middle. You can 1637 02:39:24,240 --> 02:39:25,920 see there'd be signage on the walls and 1638 02:39:25,920 --> 02:39:27,840 different uh windows going into the 1639 02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:30,080 building. 1640 02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:32,080 And here we're looking from the rear. Uh 1641 02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:33,680 this is a deck that's at the rear of the 1642 02:39:33,680 --> 02:39:35,120 that was proposed at the rear of the 1643 02:39:35,120 --> 02:39:37,280 building. 1644 02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:39,840 Um so these uh changes would be made in 1645 02:39:39,840 --> 02:39:42,319 order to facilitate uh some new uses. 1646 02:39:42,319 --> 02:39:44,319 There would be a retail or deli shop at 1647 02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:46,160 the front of the building and then a 1648 02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:48,240 series of kind of kiosks and little 1649 02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,640 counter areas for different uh beer and 1650 02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:53,840 wine, retail specialty uh food uh 1651 02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:56,319 preparers, little spaces for different 1652 02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:59,040 uh vendors to have businesses. And these 1653 02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,280 retail and beer retail beer and wine 1654 02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:03,760 spaces are really what has brought us to 1655 02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:05,920 uh the city council today. Um the 1656 02:40:05,920 --> 02:40:07,439 planning commission did not feel that 1657 02:40:07,439 --> 02:40:10,640 they could make a they could not allow a 1658 02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:13,200 project that had these wine tasting uses 1659 02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:14,720 uh without changing the zoning and so 1660 02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:16,560 they are recommending that the zoning be 1661 02:40:16,560 --> 02:40:18,240 changing be changed in order to 1662 02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:20,080 facilitate this business. You'll see 1663 02:40:20,080 --> 02:40:21,359 there's also a meeting space a 1664 02:40:21,359 --> 02:40:23,520 relatively modestsized meeting space at 1665 02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:24,960 the rear of the building and that's why 1666 02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:27,520 the prop the property excuse me project 1667 02:40:27,520 --> 02:40:31,359 needs a conditional use permit. 1668 02:40:31,359 --> 02:40:33,600 So, this project is exempt from SQA as a 1669 02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:35,520 class one categorical exemption for 1670 02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:37,600 existing structures. Um, you can see all 1671 02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:39,359 the the fine uh print there at the 1672 02:40:39,359 --> 02:40:40,960 bottom for what class one exemptions are 1673 02:40:40,960 --> 02:40:42,399 for, but essentially it's taking 1674 02:40:42,399 --> 02:40:44,160 existing buildings that don't have 1675 02:40:44,160 --> 02:40:48,960 considerable uh expansion of use. 1676 02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:50,720 The city council has options. The first 1677 02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:53,200 would be to approve the project um uh by 1678 02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:55,040 adopting this two resolutions for you 1679 02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:57,280 this evening. The first would approve 1680 02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:59,120 general plan amendment the general plan 1681 02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:01,120 amendment to change the the general plan 1682 02:41:01,120 --> 02:41:03,840 designation for the site uh as well as a 1683 02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:05,280 specific plan amendment which would 1684 02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:07,520 change the zoning for the site. The 1685 02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,520 second resolution uh includes a 1686 02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:11,200 conditional use permit uh for the 1687 02:41:11,200 --> 02:41:13,040 private meeting facility and the site 1688 02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:15,120 plan review for the physical changes to 1689 02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,520 the site and building and the conditions 1690 02:41:17,520 --> 02:41:20,399 of approval uh requiring um limited 1691 02:41:20,399 --> 02:41:22,720 hours and some other um um conditions of 1692 02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:25,280 approval are included in resolution B. 1693 02:41:25,280 --> 02:41:27,040 The city council could amend and adopt 1694 02:41:27,040 --> 02:41:28,880 those resolutions to approve the project 1695 02:41:28,880 --> 02:41:31,120 with changes. If you feel you need more 1696 02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:32,640 information, you could refer the project 1697 02:41:32,640 --> 02:41:34,000 back to staff or the planning 1698 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,160 commission. And uh the fourth 1699 02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:37,920 alternative would be to deny the project 1700 02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:40,479 by making findings of denial. The 1701 02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:42,160 planning commission is recommending that 1702 02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:44,319 the city council approve the project. Um 1703 02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:46,800 on July 8th, they reviewed and voted uh 1704 02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,040 two votes to recommend the city council 1705 02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:51,280 approve both resolutions to approve 1706 02:41:51,280 --> 02:41:54,000 those general plan uh and uh specific 1707 02:41:54,000 --> 02:41:56,319 plan map amendments as well as the 1708 02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:58,080 conditional use permit and site plan 1709 02:41:58,080 --> 02:42:00,479 review. Uh that concludes my report and 1710 02:42:00,479 --> 02:42:01,760 I welcome your questions. 1711 02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:03,590 >> Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my 1712 02:42:03,590 --> 02:42:03,600 » Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my 1713 02:42:03,600 --> 02:42:04,800 left. Anybody? 1714 02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:06,150 >> Actually, I'd like to hear other 1715 02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:06,160 » Actually, I'd like to hear other 1716 02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:07,680 people's questions. I have a couple, but 1717 02:42:07,680 --> 02:42:08,319 I want to listen. 1718 02:42:08,319 --> 02:42:12,150 >> All right, I'll start on this side then. 1719 02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:12,160 » All right, I'll start on this side then. 1720 02:42:12,160 --> 02:42:15,110 >> Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um 1721 02:42:15,110 --> 02:42:15,120 » Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um 1722 02:42:15,120 --> 02:42:17,760 how did that portion of property get 1723 02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:19,280 zoned 1724 02:42:19,280 --> 02:42:22,399 uh multif family 12 when it was on a 1725 02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,800 property with another um commercial 1726 02:42:24,800 --> 02:42:26,800 development? Do you know how that 1727 02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:27,520 happened? 1728 02:42:27,520 --> 02:42:29,429 >> So the the uses that were there before 1729 02:42:29,429 --> 02:42:29,439 » So the the uses that were there before 1730 02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:32,000 were allowed in the T4F zone. So, by 1731 02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:33,600 putting that zoning on it, it didn't 1732 02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:35,280 make the, you know, the existing uses 1733 02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:38,720 non-conforming. The TC2 uh is is kind of 1734 02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:41,120 this the corner of 24th and Spring and 1735 02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:42,800 south of that. So, I think, you know, 1736 02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,560 you have to draw a line at some point 1737 02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:46,960 and um you know, we wanted those use the 1738 02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:48,640 more intensive uses to be at the corner 1739 02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,160 and as we moved into the neighborhood, 1740 02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:51,760 there would be less intensive uses. 1741 02:42:51,760 --> 02:42:53,830 >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you, 1742 02:42:53,830 --> 02:42:53,840 » Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you, 1743 02:42:53,840 --> 02:42:56,389 >> Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if 1744 02:42:56,389 --> 02:42:56,399 » Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if 1745 02:42:56,399 --> 02:42:57,840 you can answer this. This might be a 1746 02:42:57,840 --> 02:43:03,120 question for the developer. the um 1747 02:43:03,120 --> 02:43:05,280 I I hate giving up the residential just 1748 02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:06,880 because we need that and the multif 1749 02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:09,680 family would be a good spot for this, 1750 02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:11,680 but it doesn't look like there's enough 1751 02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:15,040 space to allow for parking. Um would you 1752 02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:17,280 agree with that or or would you offer 1753 02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:19,359 some other opinion? 1754 02:43:19,359 --> 02:43:21,030 >> The the changing the zoning will 1755 02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:21,040 » The the changing the zoning will 1756 02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:22,800 actually continue to allow the same 1757 02:43:22,800 --> 02:43:24,880 number of residential units. The same 1758 02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:26,479 owner actually took a project through 1759 02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:28,080 the planning commission to do and I'm 1760 02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:29,439 going to forget the number of units. I 1761 02:43:29,439 --> 02:43:31,040 believe it was 20. They were going to 1762 02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,600 reuse this building um and break it into 1763 02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,439 four they called them quadplexes kind of 1764 02:43:35,439 --> 02:43:36,960 four units and then there was going to 1765 02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:38,880 be a new building in the rear but they 1766 02:43:38,880 --> 02:43:41,200 have opted for this alternative for a 1767 02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:42,319 commercial option. 1768 02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:44,070 >> Okay. Thank you. 1769 02:43:44,070 --> 02:43:44,080 » Okay. Thank you. 1770 02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:46,150 >> So yeah, Katie, I had that same question 1771 02:43:46,150 --> 02:43:46,160 » So yeah, Katie, I had that same question 1772 02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:48,240 with parking. Is it adequately parked 1773 02:43:48,240 --> 02:43:50,560 according to you know the code and and 1774 02:43:50,560 --> 02:43:52,720 the use at this point? It is in the 1775 02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:54,720 uptown town center specific plan for 1776 02:43:54,720 --> 02:43:56,560 commercial uses. You need one parking 1777 02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:58,560 space for every 400 square ft of 1778 02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:01,760 commercial uh u tenant space and it does 1779 02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:02,880 provide that number. 1780 02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:04,870 >> Yeah, I noticed they have that outside 1781 02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:04,880 » Yeah, I noticed they have that outside 1782 02:44:04,880 --> 02:44:06,800 um covered area right there like in your 1783 02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:08,240 photo and that they took out some 1784 02:44:08,240 --> 02:44:09,840 parking. So, I wasn't sure if it changed 1785 02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:12,000 that use and what was required at that 1786 02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:13,520 point. So, we're okay with it then. 1787 02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:15,040 Okay. Over here. 1788 02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:17,590 >> Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was 1789 02:44:17,590 --> 02:44:17,600 » Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was 1790 02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:19,680 any consideration made and if so, what 1791 02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:21,520 the comments were on having this much 1792 02:44:21,520 --> 02:44:24,240 alcohol allowed in close proximity to 1793 02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:28,070 middle school. 1794 02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:30,479 » Um, the the applicant will have to go 1795 02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:32,720 through the ABC process, the alcohol the 1796 02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:35,279 the alcohol beverage control. Um, but it 1797 02:44:35,279 --> 02:44:36,880 is certainly a concern, you know, that 1798 02:44:36,880 --> 02:44:38,880 there are alcohol uses um that are would 1799 02:44:38,880 --> 02:44:40,800 be allowed in the TC2. They are allowed 1800 02:44:40,800 --> 02:44:42,960 immediately to the south. Um, but this 1801 02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:44,479 would be an expansion of that area. 1802 02:44:44,479 --> 02:44:46,960 Correct. Thank you. 1803 02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:47,920 Okay, Miss Bill, 1804 02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:49,670 >> in the staff report, you spoke about 1805 02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:49,680 » in the staff report, you spoke about 1806 02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:51,600 like outreach and you know, advertising 1807 02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:53,760 the public hearing. Can you characterize 1808 02:44:53,760 --> 02:44:55,120 some of the public comment you've had on 1809 02:44:55,120 --> 02:44:57,120 this project? 1810 02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,030 >> Um, we have not received much public 1811 02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:59,040 » Um, we have not received much public 1812 02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:01,040 comment. Um, as you noted, we all we've 1813 02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:02,640 done is the standard noticing, which is 1814 02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:04,800 sending postcards to uh property owners 1815 02:45:04,800 --> 02:45:07,359 and residents within 300 ft of the site. 1816 02:45:07,359 --> 02:45:09,120 There's a notice in the newspaper and we 1817 02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:11,200 put a piece of we, you know, post the 1818 02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:13,279 site as well to let folks know that 1819 02:45:13,279 --> 02:45:14,960 there's a hearing coming. We have not 1820 02:45:14,960 --> 02:45:16,479 had any public comments from the 1821 02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:17,359 community. 1822 02:45:17,359 --> 02:45:18,790 >> Thanks. And then so this has been 1823 02:45:18,790 --> 02:45:18,800 » Thanks. And then so this has been 1824 02:45:18,800 --> 02:45:20,800 through the DRC twice and to the 1825 02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:23,200 planning commission for the planning 1826 02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:25,600 commission hearing or meeting. Uh what 1827 02:45:25,600 --> 02:45:27,520 was the staff recommendation at that 1828 02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:28,319 time? 1829 02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:29,830 >> At that time staff was recommending 1830 02:45:29,830 --> 02:45:29,840 » At that time staff was recommending 1831 02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:31,760 denial. 1832 02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,670 >> Thank you. 1833 02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:33,680 » Thank you. 1834 02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:35,750 >> Okay. Questions? That's it. 1835 02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:35,760 » Okay. Questions? That's it. 1836 02:45:35,760 --> 02:45:37,190 >> All right. We'll open up then to the 1837 02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:37,200 » All right. We'll open up then to the 1838 02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:39,680 public for any discussion on this item 1839 02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:41,760 or let's uh Linda, let's do the 1840 02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:43,279 applicant. Uh we have Jamie. Oh, 1841 02:45:43,279 --> 02:45:44,070 >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 1842 02:45:44,070 --> 02:45:44,080 » yeah. Yeah. Yeah, 1843 02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:46,550 >> Jamie wants to speak for the applicant. 1844 02:45:46,550 --> 02:45:46,560 » Jamie wants to speak for the applicant. 1845 02:45:46,560 --> 02:45:48,870 >> Thank you. 1846 02:45:48,870 --> 02:45:48,880 » Thank you. 1847 02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:52,160 You can go first if you want. 1848 02:45:52,160 --> 02:45:56,960 I know. Me, too. Me, too. 1849 02:45:56,960 --> 02:46:00,240 Let me make sure. 1850 02:46:00,240 --> 02:46:01,680 Just making sure I understand how 1851 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:03,600 everything works. All right. Good 1852 02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:05,279 evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the 1853 02:46:05,279 --> 02:46:08,080 council. My name is Jamie Jones and I am 1854 02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:10,720 representing uh the project this evening 1855 02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:12,240 and I appreciate the time to walk 1856 02:46:12,240 --> 02:46:14,640 through kind of the premise of the why 1857 02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:16,720 behind the application and why we think 1858 02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:19,359 this is a good um fit for the site and 1859 02:46:19,359 --> 02:46:21,200 why the general plan amendment makes 1860 02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:24,160 sense. So this property is about a half 1861 02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:28,800 an acre in size. Um, important note and 1862 02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:30,560 I don't I think it may have been in the 1863 02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:33,040 staff report but not the presentation is 1864 02:46:33,040 --> 02:46:36,160 that we sh this parcel shares access 1865 02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:38,160 with the property immediately to the 1866 02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:40,479 south. So the property line as you can 1867 02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:42,880 see on this slide goes right against the 1868 02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:44,800 back of the building. So whenever you're 1869 02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:47,600 looking at orientation of this building 1870 02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:50,880 it's oriented to the commercial uses in 1871 02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:52,399 the commercial zoning in which we're 1872 02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:54,319 requesting. 1873 02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:56,960 And so what we're proposing um a number 1874 02:46:56,960 --> 02:46:59,359 of requests, the general plan and the 1875 02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:01,920 zoning amendment and that would change 1876 02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:05,439 the zoning to the TC2 town center zoning 1877 02:47:05,439 --> 02:47:07,600 which would allow and that's the uses 1878 02:47:07,600 --> 02:47:09,680 that we're talking about is the the the 1879 02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:13,040 small wine tasting and and beer kiosks 1880 02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:15,439 and also a conditional use permit for a 1881 02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:17,279 private meeting facility. There's some 1882 02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:18,720 debate whether that's required because 1883 02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:20,800 there's a conflict in the code if it's 1884 02:47:20,800 --> 02:47:23,040 allowed or you know if it requires a cup 1885 02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:24,640 or not but but we're here so let's go 1886 02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:26,720 ahead and talk about it and ask ask for 1887 02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:28,720 it. And then we also have a um the site 1888 02:47:28,720 --> 02:47:30,800 plan that talks about site improvements 1889 02:47:30,800 --> 02:47:33,600 and the renovation of this building that 1890 02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:36,800 has been um standing as it is for quite 1891 02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:38,240 some time and is in need of some 1892 02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:40,800 upgrades. 1893 02:47:40,800 --> 02:47:43,200 And so we um with this project it will 1894 02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:45,439 support a mixeduse commercial project. 1895 02:47:45,439 --> 02:47:47,279 It aligns with the surrounding 1896 02:47:47,279 --> 02:47:49,840 commercial zoning that we orient to. 1897 02:47:49,840 --> 02:47:52,160 We're um looking at this is a a needed 1898 02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:54,880 space for providing affordable lease 1899 02:47:54,880 --> 02:47:57,439 lease spaces for smaller startup 1900 02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,840 wineries. And we see this is activating 1901 02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,640 both daytime and evening businesses in 1902 02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,279 this neighborhood. 1903 02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:08,000 the the floor plan shows um we're 1904 02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:11,200 looking at food service deli type use 1905 02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:14,479 oriented along Spring Street and then um 1906 02:48:14,479 --> 02:48:16,479 having some opportunity. We call it the 1907 02:48:16,479 --> 02:48:19,040 specialty retail area. This is we we're 1908 02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:21,040 talking about olive oil, other local 1909 02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:23,760 food type producers or even crafts 1910 02:48:23,760 --> 02:48:26,160 people that could come in and lease some 1911 02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:28,960 spaces that are affordable. And then the 1912 02:48:28,960 --> 02:48:31,920 um retail and beer wine kiosks. These 1913 02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,560 are very small spaces and I think what 1914 02:48:34,560 --> 02:48:36,720 works for this model that we're hearing 1915 02:48:36,720 --> 02:48:38,399 is being able to have this combined 1916 02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:41,760 space, combined restrooms and having 1917 02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:44,319 storage space on site for the small 1918 02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:47,439 producers. I do, you may know I do a lot 1919 02:48:47,439 --> 02:48:49,520 of work in the county on much bigger 1920 02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:52,399 wineries and it's really expensive and 1921 02:48:52,399 --> 02:48:55,920 hard for our startup smaller wine makers 1922 02:48:55,920 --> 02:49:00,479 to enter into our local market. 1923 02:49:00,479 --> 02:49:02,479 The area that's subject to the cup is 1924 02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:04,960 highlighted on this slide. This is the 1925 02:49:04,960 --> 02:49:07,439 um called the east end of the building. 1926 02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:10,160 And this a meeting hall. We see this 1927 02:49:10,160 --> 02:49:12,960 meeting hall as being able to be open to 1928 02:49:12,960 --> 02:49:14,960 community groups. Somebody wants to do a 1929 02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:17,920 little a bridal shower. One of the 1930 02:49:17,920 --> 02:49:19,840 wineries wants to have a wine club 1931 02:49:19,840 --> 02:49:22,800 party. It's a it's both a community 1932 02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:25,840 space and also a space for the tenants 1933 02:49:25,840 --> 02:49:27,680 in the building. 1934 02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:29,920 Um, here's a side-by-side comparison of 1935 02:49:29,920 --> 02:49:32,560 the exterior changes. I think we can all 1936 02:49:32,560 --> 02:49:34,319 agree that the changes proposed in this 1937 02:49:34,319 --> 02:49:35,840 application is a pretty pretty 1938 02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:37,439 significant upgrade and we think it will 1939 02:49:37,439 --> 02:49:40,640 be a benefit to the neighborhood in this 1940 02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:43,920 this um side of town. 1941 02:49:43,920 --> 02:49:47,439 Um, as noted originally, it's um I know 1942 02:49:47,439 --> 02:49:50,080 um Katie listed the different auto uses 1943 02:49:50,080 --> 02:49:52,319 and different uses that could happen on 1944 02:49:52,319 --> 02:49:54,640 the property. I could tell you that uses 1945 02:49:54,640 --> 02:49:57,200 that that we're looking to target is 1946 02:49:57,200 --> 02:50:00,240 specific to this amendment is the the 1947 02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:02,960 wine tasting uses and to allow those 1948 02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:04,560 small kiosks. They currently aren't 1949 02:50:04,560 --> 02:50:06,960 allowed in the T4F, but they are allowed 1950 02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:09,920 in the TC2 and they could be done in the 1951 02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:11,439 building right next to it that we're 1952 02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:14,880 orient to that we share our access with. 1953 02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:18,080 This slide shows the existing zoning and 1954 02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:21,760 this slide shows proposed zoning. Um, I 1955 02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:24,640 did some street view, um, which I think 1956 02:50:24,640 --> 02:50:26,960 is helpful, showing here existing 1957 02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:29,439 zoning. The blue zoning, um, existing 1958 02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:31,200 zoning goes to the back of the building. 1959 02:50:31,200 --> 02:50:33,200 And I'm showing the shared access. So, 1960 02:50:33,200 --> 02:50:35,840 there's a 20ft easement on the property 1961 02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:38,640 to the south for reciprocal access and a 1962 02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:41,600 10-ft easement on our property. So, it's 1963 02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:43,760 common access between the building to 1964 02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:48,309 the south and our building. 1965 02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:50,960 And again, this is showing um showing 1966 02:50:50,960 --> 02:50:54,160 that we're moving and we're moving the 1967 02:50:54,160 --> 02:50:57,200 zoning boundary 73 feet. And it's it's 1968 02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:58,720 not a big change. I think if this was 1969 02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:00,720 looked at when the specific plan was 1970 02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:02,880 being done and it was understood that 1971 02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:04,640 there was the shared access and the 1972 02:51:04,640 --> 02:51:07,920 orientation of the building, I think the 1973 02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:09,279 group would have put the line where 1974 02:51:09,279 --> 02:51:11,760 we're proposing to show it today because 1975 02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:13,840 it makes sense just from a general 1976 02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:16,240 planning perspective of where the where 1977 02:51:16,240 --> 02:51:18,720 the dividing line should be based on the 1978 02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:23,590 the how parcels interrelate. 1979 02:51:23,600 --> 02:51:25,920 So, with our proposed zoning change, we 1980 02:51:25,920 --> 02:51:27,600 think that this property is more in 1981 02:51:27,600 --> 02:51:30,720 alignment um with the TC2 zone and it 1982 02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:32,800 and it would allow the adaptive reuse of 1983 02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:35,439 this aging strip mall and transform it 1984 02:51:35,439 --> 02:51:37,920 into what we hope to be a commercial 1985 02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:41,200 hub. Um the reuse of the building aligns 1986 02:51:41,200 --> 02:51:44,640 to for a vibrant mixeduse um project and 1987 02:51:44,640 --> 02:51:46,160 we think it really promotes the vision 1988 02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:49,920 that the TC2 was looking for. 1989 02:51:49,920 --> 02:51:51,760 And the purpose, I talked about this a 1990 02:51:51,760 --> 02:51:53,200 little bit, but you know, we're not 1991 02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:56,319 looking to bring in large wine tasting 1992 02:51:56,319 --> 02:51:58,160 rooms that are bringing in a lot of 1993 02:51:58,160 --> 02:51:59,680 traffic. These are really the the 1994 02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:03,520 smaller wine makers and um brew masters 1995 02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:05,120 that can't they can't enter into 1996 02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:07,920 downtown. Downtown's um pretty expensive 1997 02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:09,840 and there aren't openings and even 1998 02:52:09,840 --> 02:52:11,840 trying to get into Tin City, there just 1999 02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:14,479 isn't a space for them to be. And I know 2000 02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:16,880 just from people that call my office 2001 02:52:16,880 --> 02:52:19,359 that want to look at doing a winery, 2002 02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:20,720 some of them are tasting in their living 2003 02:52:20,720 --> 02:52:23,200 rooms because or in their garages. I 2004 02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:25,279 don't legal or not, but that's what 2005 02:52:25,279 --> 02:52:26,479 they're doing because of the reality of 2006 02:52:26,479 --> 02:52:28,080 the cost and they're they're trying to 2007 02:52:28,080 --> 02:52:30,560 get in. So we think u you working with 2008 02:52:30,560 --> 02:52:32,720 the owner, Mr. Becker, it's just there's 2009 02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:34,479 a need out there and he thinks that this 2010 02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:38,080 could be successful for everyone. 2011 02:52:38,080 --> 02:52:41,760 And then um back to affordability, not 2012 02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:44,880 just for the f future tenants, but we're 2013 02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:47,279 looking that this is an opportunity for 2014 02:52:47,279 --> 02:52:49,920 people living in in in this 2015 02:52:49,920 --> 02:52:51,439 neighborhood. We're going to have food 2016 02:52:51,439 --> 02:52:55,279 service. The um and also food sales. I 2017 02:52:55,279 --> 02:52:57,200 know I heard some concern about all this 2018 02:52:57,200 --> 02:53:00,479 alcohol in proximity to this school, and 2019 02:53:00,479 --> 02:53:02,160 I understand it, but this isn't intended 2020 02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:04,800 to be a, you know, a traditional bar 2021 02:53:04,800 --> 02:53:07,760 space or something like that. um it's 2022 02:53:07,760 --> 02:53:09,200 really not that that's not what we 2023 02:53:09,200 --> 02:53:11,600 envision it being and also having the 2024 02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:13,359 opportunity for community gathering 2025 02:53:13,359 --> 02:53:16,479 through that the use of um hopefully you 2026 02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:18,080 know an affordable meeting space that we 2027 02:53:18,080 --> 02:53:20,560 we think is needed 2028 02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:22,479 and with that we think the project 2029 02:53:22,479 --> 02:53:26,000 concluding um I we think it aligns with 2030 02:53:26,000 --> 02:53:28,560 the uptown area and reading through your 2031 02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:30,479 five-year economic development strategy 2032 02:53:30,479 --> 02:53:32,640 we think that this aligns with some of 2033 02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,720 those strategies that supports the local 2034 02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:36,960 needs for businesses and We think it'll 2035 02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:38,800 be a really good addition to the 2036 02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:41,120 neighborhood. And that concludes my 2037 02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:43,600 comments. Um, we do request that you 2038 02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:44,800 support the planning commission 2039 02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:46,399 recommendation. I know we did go into 2040 02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:47,920 planning commission with a 2041 02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:50,240 recommendation of denial. 2042 02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:52,640 The planning commission did support it 2043 02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:55,120 unanimously. You and there was a lot a 2044 02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,120 backstory that went on with that with a 2045 02:53:57,120 --> 02:53:59,680 development review committee and the 2046 02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:02,160 application process. It from the 2047 02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:03,920 beginning the applicant was very clear. 2048 02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:05,920 He wanted to have the wine these wine 2049 02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:09,040 tasting kiosks and started out in the 2050 02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:10,800 application with a I think it was a 2051 02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,760 community market where we could have 60% 2052 02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:15,920 of the use to food stuff and then we 2053 02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:19,359 could have 40% to other things. So he 2054 02:54:19,359 --> 02:54:21,359 tried to squeeze the wine tasting into 2055 02:54:21,359 --> 02:54:25,520 that other 40%. And when we got to DRC 2056 02:54:25,520 --> 02:54:28,319 DRC's like no you know that's not that 2057 02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:30,319 doesn't work if that's what you want to 2058 02:54:30,319 --> 02:54:32,640 do. you know, amend your project to 2059 02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:34,880 something else or come back and let's um 2060 02:54:34,880 --> 02:54:36,160 put it through the right process and 2061 02:54:36,160 --> 02:54:38,080 give it the right zoning. And so that's 2062 02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:40,479 why we've taken the extra steps doing a 2063 02:54:40,479 --> 02:54:42,960 general plan amendment in um zone 2064 02:54:42,960 --> 02:54:44,560 change. You know, that's it's not an 2065 02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:46,560 easy task and we know it's not easy as a 2066 02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:49,279 decision maker for for your council, but 2067 02:54:49,279 --> 02:54:51,359 we really do think it makes sense in 2068 02:54:51,359 --> 02:54:53,600 this instance. And so that concludes my 2069 02:54:53,600 --> 02:54:55,439 comments. We do have the property owner 2070 02:54:55,439 --> 02:54:57,600 here and the architect and members of 2071 02:54:57,600 --> 02:55:00,160 the applicant team. Thank you. Jamie, do 2072 02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:01,840 you want questions of yourself first? 2073 02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:04,960 Uh, I had one, but does council have 2074 02:55:04,960 --> 02:55:07,840 anything? Chris B, go ahead. 2075 02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:09,830 >> Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this, 2076 02:55:09,830 --> 02:55:09,840 » Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this, 2077 02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:11,920 that's fine, too. But, um, I didn't see 2078 02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:14,319 anything with with dimensions. Uh, when 2079 02:55:14,319 --> 02:55:16,800 you said small, can you give me just a 2080 02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:18,399 rough idea of what the what the retail 2081 02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:20,800 spaces are and the what the meeting 2082 02:55:20,800 --> 02:55:22,800 space is and are those going to be 2083 02:55:22,800 --> 02:55:25,279 demise walls or what's going to happen 2084 02:55:25,279 --> 02:55:25,840 with that? 2085 02:55:25,840 --> 02:55:27,910 >> Let me see if I've got the dimensions 2086 02:55:27,910 --> 02:55:27,920 » Let me see if I've got the dimensions 2087 02:55:27,920 --> 02:55:29,359 here. 2088 02:55:29,359 --> 02:55:38,389 I think I have the floor plan 2089 02:55:38,399 --> 02:55:40,560 and I will let Larry, if you would like 2090 02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:43,439 to, if he doesn't mind, walk through the 2091 02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:45,680 floor plans, but we have four kiosks. 2092 02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:47,520 We'll just look at the square footage on 2093 02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:50,160 on the screen. We've got four wine beer 2094 02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:51,920 tasting kiosks and that. So, they're 2095 02:55:51,920 --> 02:55:53,520 around 500 square foot each. 2096 02:55:53,520 --> 02:55:53,910 >> Okay. 2097 02:55:53,910 --> 02:55:53,920 » Okay. 2098 02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:57,910 >> Okay. And then um the meeting room is 2099 02:55:57,910 --> 02:55:57,920 » Okay. And then um the meeting room is 2100 02:55:57,920 --> 02:55:59,680 around 1,500 square feet. 2101 02:55:59,680 --> 02:56:01,110 >> Okay. So it's larger than I thought. 2102 02:56:01,110 --> 02:56:01,120 » Okay. So it's larger than I thought. 2103 02:56:01,120 --> 02:56:01,920 Okay. 2104 02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:02,230 >> Good. 2105 02:56:02,230 --> 02:56:02,240 » Good. 2106 02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:04,230 >> It's a 8,000 foot building, right? 2107 02:56:04,230 --> 02:56:04,240 » It's a 8,000 foot building, right? 2108 02:56:04,240 --> 02:56:06,389 >> So yeah, I mean there there's room. 2109 02:56:06,389 --> 02:56:06,399 » So yeah, I mean there there's room. 2110 02:56:06,399 --> 02:56:08,800 There is room, but these are um again 2111 02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:10,880 smaller. We're putting the that putting 2112 02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:12,720 the um the retail beer and wine towards 2113 02:56:12,720 --> 02:56:14,479 the rear of the building. 2114 02:56:14,479 --> 02:56:17,110 >> Jamie had a question on the common area, 2115 02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:17,120 » Jamie had a question on the common area, 2116 02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:20,240 the outside open area. Um the the 2117 02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:23,040 coverage area. Is that for basically uh 2118 02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:24,560 anyone who wants to like for instance 2119 02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:25,840 buy something to eat, come over there 2120 02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:27,040 and sit down and eat it. Is that what 2121 02:56:27,040 --> 02:56:28,319 it's about basically? 2122 02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:30,309 >> Yeah, I would I would characterize the 2123 02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:30,319 » Yeah, I would I would characterize the 2124 02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:32,720 the center deck as the common space 2125 02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:34,800 where if you grab a sandwich, you want 2126 02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:37,279 to come sit down and eat outside or you 2127 02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:39,840 get some olive oil to get some bread. Um 2128 02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:41,520 but then the back deck, I think we'd 2129 02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:43,359 look at that as being me more oriented 2130 02:56:43,359 --> 02:56:45,760 for the um event space. 2131 02:56:45,760 --> 02:56:48,389 >> Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any 2132 02:56:48,389 --> 02:56:48,399 » Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any 2133 02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:50,640 questions for Jan? 2134 02:56:50,640 --> 02:56:51,030 >> Okay. 2135 02:56:51,030 --> 02:56:51,040 » Okay. 2136 02:56:51,040 --> 02:56:51,910 >> Okay. 2137 02:56:51,910 --> 02:56:51,920 » Okay. 2138 02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:52,469 >> You're off the hook. 2139 02:56:52,469 --> 02:56:52,479 » You're off the hook. 2140 02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:54,070 >> Larry, you wanted to address 2141 02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:54,080 » Larry, you wanted to address 2142 02:56:54,080 --> 02:56:57,269 >> anything you want to say? 2143 02:56:57,269 --> 02:56:57,279 » anything you want to say? 2144 02:56:57,279 --> 02:57:00,469 >> Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel 2145 02:57:00,469 --> 02:57:00,479 » Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel 2146 02:57:00,479 --> 02:57:02,160 Architects. 2147 02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:08,790 Um, quickly, I guess. 2148 02:57:08,800 --> 02:57:11,920 » Uh, the wine tasting areas are are 2149 02:57:11,920 --> 02:57:14,240 modest. They're about 30 ft deep and 2150 02:57:14,240 --> 02:57:19,680 about 20 ft wide. So, modest spaces. Um, 2151 02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:21,680 hopefully, you know, it's going to have 2152 02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:23,040 some tasting area and a little bit of 2153 02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:24,000 storage, but it's not going to have 2154 02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:25,439 barrel storage. It's going to have just 2155 02:57:25,439 --> 02:57:26,720 some case goods and some of those kind 2156 02:57:26,720 --> 02:57:29,279 of things. So, just again, just uh 2157 02:57:29,279 --> 02:57:33,359 modest tasting rooms. Um, I wanted to 2158 02:57:33,359 --> 02:57:36,720 address the uh residential uh issue a 2159 02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:38,720 little bit. Uh, we did design the 2160 02:57:38,720 --> 02:57:41,520 project before with uh 20 units in it. 2161 02:57:41,520 --> 02:57:43,600 We took this building, we divided it up 2162 02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:46,560 and uh took slices out of it for for 2163 02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:50,319 patios and put in small studio units. 2164 02:57:50,319 --> 02:57:51,760 And then in the back we did a little 2165 02:57:51,760 --> 02:57:54,720 three-story building. And um we got 2166 02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:56,319 every square foot you could possibly get 2167 02:57:56,319 --> 02:57:58,479 out of that little piece of property. 2168 02:57:58,479 --> 02:58:01,200 And it was just really cutting up the 2169 02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:03,040 building and it just didn't pencil when 2170 02:58:03,040 --> 02:58:05,680 we got done. So this basically is 2171 02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:07,920 keeping the building intact. We're uh 2172 02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:09,600 renovating it completely indoors, 2173 02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:13,680 outdoors. Um, and but beyond that, also 2174 02:58:13,680 --> 02:58:15,439 on the residential, if this building 2175 02:58:15,439 --> 02:58:18,880 came down, there's a 10-ft setback on 2176 02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:21,680 the northand side. There's 12t of backup 2177 02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:23,359 space that you're giving up on the 2178 02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:26,800 driveway. So, it it it narrows it down 2179 02:58:26,800 --> 02:58:29,920 to something of 40 ft wide uh of working 2180 02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:32,240 space to put build a building and uh and 2181 02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:35,359 parking. It just doesn't pencil at all. 2182 02:58:35,359 --> 02:58:38,319 We've done some um conceptuals on the 2183 02:58:38,319 --> 02:58:39,840 building on the property next door which 2184 02:58:39,840 --> 02:58:41,600 is much much larther. We looked at that 2185 02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:44,000 and getting up to 60 60 units and it 2186 02:58:44,000 --> 02:58:45,439 still hasn't been sold out for anybody 2187 02:58:45,439 --> 02:58:47,040 in the last four years that we've been 2188 02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:49,760 working on it. So the commercial uh will 2189 02:58:49,760 --> 02:58:51,600 give this thing some life. It's been 2190 02:58:51,600 --> 02:58:54,640 sitting vacant for a while. It's uh been 2191 02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:56,319 uh it's been a while since it's been 2192 02:58:56,319 --> 02:58:58,960 updated and so we think we've got the uh 2193 02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:00,560 the package here that that'll be 2194 02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:02,560 successful. So I'm here if you have any 2195 02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:04,560 more questions. Larry, I have one real 2196 02:59:04,560 --> 02:59:07,680 quick on the uh retail beer and wine. 2197 02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:08,880 Are there going to be some sort of a 2198 02:59:08,880 --> 02:59:12,240 closure on each one of those kiosks? 2199 02:59:12,240 --> 02:59:13,990 >> Well, we had it closed up in the back 2200 02:59:13,990 --> 02:59:14,000 » Well, we had it closed up in the back 2201 02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:16,960 for storage and just an empty uh counter 2202 02:59:16,960 --> 02:59:17,840 in the front. 2203 02:59:17,840 --> 02:59:18,309 >> Okay. 2204 02:59:18,309 --> 02:59:18,319 » Okay. 2205 02:59:18,319 --> 02:59:19,990 >> Depending as we've done wineries and 2206 02:59:19,990 --> 02:59:20,000 » Depending as we've done wineries and 2207 02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:21,200 things, you know, some people just want 2208 02:59:21,200 --> 02:59:22,960 to put a couple barrels and a 4x12 2209 02:59:22,960 --> 02:59:24,880 across it and call it a countertop. 2210 02:59:24,880 --> 02:59:28,720 Others want to get very exotic. So, um 2211 02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:30,720 we've just seen a variety. So, we kind 2212 02:59:30,720 --> 02:59:33,040 of leave it open, but we'll have a back 2213 02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:35,120 uh storage closed off area to keep the 2214 02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:36,240 case out of the way. 2215 02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:37,990 >> Yeah, because it's a common hallway 2216 02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:38,000 » Yeah, because it's a common hallway 2217 02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:39,120 essentially, isn't it? I mean, when 2218 02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:39,439 they're 2219 02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:41,590 >> common way, we anticipate to have some 2220 02:59:41,590 --> 02:59:41,600 » common way, we anticipate to have some 2221 02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:44,399 kiosk in there. It's basically um an 2222 02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:48,560 indoor uh um farmers market, if you 2223 02:59:48,560 --> 02:59:50,240 will. There's some small spaces for 2224 02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:52,240 people to sell local goods and candles, 2225 02:59:52,240 --> 02:59:56,319 wine, uh I mean u olive oil, nuts, those 2226 02:59:56,319 --> 02:59:59,279 kinds of things on a indoor space. 2227 02:59:59,279 --> 03:00:01,429 >> Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the 2228 03:00:01,429 --> 03:00:01,439 » Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the 2229 03:00:01,439 --> 03:00:03,439 security. In other words, we talked a 2230 03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:04,640 little bit about the school across the 2231 03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:06,160 street and this will probably be open 2232 03:00:06,160 --> 03:00:08,479 during school hours and and security if 2233 03:00:08,479 --> 03:00:10,640 they weren't open if a particular kiosk 2234 03:00:10,640 --> 03:00:12,880 was not open at the time. 2235 03:00:12,880 --> 03:00:15,030 >> No, it would be I see it would be lock 2236 03:00:15,030 --> 03:00:15,040 » No, it would be I see it would be lock 2237 03:00:15,040 --> 03:00:16,560 that part would be locked up for sure, 2238 03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:18,230 >> right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah. 2239 03:00:18,230 --> 03:00:18,240 » right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah. 2240 03:00:18,240 --> 03:00:21,190 >> Yeah. No access no access to the storage 2241 03:00:21,190 --> 03:00:21,200 » Yeah. No access no access to the storage 2242 03:00:21,200 --> 03:00:22,080 storage goods. Yeah. 2243 03:00:22,080 --> 03:00:24,630 >> Very good. All right. Anyone else on 2244 03:00:24,630 --> 03:00:24,640 » Very good. All right. Anyone else on 2245 03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:25,680 Right. 2246 03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:27,030 >> Anyone else? 2247 03:00:27,030 --> 03:00:27,040 » Anyone else? 2248 03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:29,510 >> Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open 2249 03:00:29,510 --> 03:00:29,520 » Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open 2250 03:00:29,520 --> 03:00:30,960 up to public comment for on this item. 2251 03:00:30,960 --> 03:00:32,560 Please come forward, Linda. 2252 03:00:32,560 --> 03:00:34,950 >> Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126 2253 03:00:34,950 --> 03:00:34,960 » Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126 2254 03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:37,520 Spring Street. Okay, I don't know. I've 2255 03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:40,240 I am under the the understanding that 2256 03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:43,279 this city is now 61% Hispanic. Mayor, 2257 03:00:43,279 --> 03:00:44,720 you asked me a question when I 2258 03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:46,720 interviewed for district 1. What would I 2259 03:00:46,720 --> 03:00:49,359 do with North County? Well, what I said 2260 03:00:49,359 --> 03:00:52,399 was from 24th Street to 101, people 2261 03:00:52,399 --> 03:00:55,680 refer to that as Little Mexico. Okay. 2262 03:00:55,680 --> 03:00:58,160 And I would like to see the Hispanic 2263 03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:00,720 community have their own area in this 2264 03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:03,920 city. So I'm against this project for 2265 03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:06,479 this one reason. And I do know, Miss 2266 03:01:06,479 --> 03:01:09,200 Bill, I read the agenda, so I knew it 2267 03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:11,600 was under denial status when they 2268 03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:13,600 recommended to the planning commission. 2269 03:01:13,600 --> 03:01:16,160 My curiosity is why did the staff 2270 03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:18,640 decline it? You don't want alcohol 2271 03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:22,240 there? primarily when Flamson lets out. 2272 03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:24,479 Dollar Tree already has a problem with 2273 03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:28,000 the kids playing ball. 2274 03:01:28,000 --> 03:01:31,760 Literally playing ball. I was there. 2275 03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:35,439 They are destroying that store. 2276 03:01:35,439 --> 03:01:38,160 The staff are overwhelmed. You put in 2277 03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:41,920 little kiosk highass retail that you 2278 03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:45,520 find 73 feet over, it's gonna get 2279 03:01:45,520 --> 03:01:47,359 demolished. 2280 03:01:47,359 --> 03:01:51,680 Literally. Okay. So, my concern is that 2281 03:01:51,680 --> 03:01:54,160 I would like to see from 24th Street 2282 03:01:54,160 --> 03:01:56,880 after the bridge all the way to 101 be 2283 03:01:56,880 --> 03:01:59,359 the Hispanic community. I want to know 2284 03:01:59,359 --> 03:02:01,840 how much the city u Mr. Sloan has 2285 03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:04,160 outreached to the larger Hispanic 2286 03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:07,040 corporations, grocery stores, anything 2287 03:02:07,040 --> 03:02:09,600 like that that could come on in and buy 2288 03:02:09,600 --> 03:02:12,080 the buildings just like everybody else 2289 03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:14,720 can. I think it's very important that 2290 03:02:14,720 --> 03:02:17,120 the Hispanic community has their own 2291 03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:20,640 area and we are there. 2292 03:02:20,640 --> 03:02:23,279 If you sell I will say this to the the 2293 03:02:23,279 --> 03:02:25,600 person who's sell or buying this. If you 2294 03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:32,070 serve Modello takers 2295 03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:34,080 you serve wine you're going to get a 2296 03:02:34,080 --> 03:02:37,279 trashed building. I feel for Dollar Tree 2297 03:02:37,279 --> 03:02:39,359 every time I go in there. They are 2298 03:02:39,359 --> 03:02:42,000 throwing their items around. property 2299 03:02:42,000 --> 03:02:43,840 destruction is the number one issue they 2300 03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:46,160 have. And you guys know that about me. 2301 03:02:46,160 --> 03:02:47,760 When I walk into a store, I talk to 2302 03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:49,200 everybody and ask them how they're 2303 03:02:49,200 --> 03:02:51,359 doing. Chief Nord already knows and he 2304 03:02:51,359 --> 03:02:52,960 has sent the police to drive around 2305 03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:55,680 there at 2:00. So, I promise you, as 2306 03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:57,520 soon as the kids get out, they are going 2307 03:02:57,520 --> 03:02:59,359 to destroy that. How are they going to 2308 03:02:59,359 --> 03:03:02,640 handle 50 kids coming into their deli? 2309 03:03:02,640 --> 03:03:04,560 How are they going to handle 60 kids all 2310 03:03:04,560 --> 03:03:07,520 wanting to eat on their deck? 2311 03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:10,560 It is a security risk to put alcohol 2312 03:03:10,560 --> 03:03:13,520 there. That is why all the stores are on 2313 03:03:13,520 --> 03:03:16,560 the other end. Okay? So, I really hope 2314 03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:18,240 that you guys start respecting the 2315 03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:20,880 Hispanic community that is here. We're 2316 03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:22,640 not going nowhere and we're going to 2317 03:03:22,640 --> 03:03:26,160 keep growing. So, give us our community. 2318 03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:28,720 Thank you, 2319 03:03:28,720 --> 03:03:30,230 >> Dale. Welcome. 2320 03:03:30,230 --> 03:03:30,240 » Dale. Welcome. 2321 03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:33,750 >> Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this 2322 03:03:33,750 --> 03:03:33,760 » Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this 2323 03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:36,640 project. Uh I don't know if they're 2324 03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:39,120 going to be able to get ABC to give them 2325 03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:42,319 a license for alcohol, but that's uh 2326 03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:46,399 their problem. Uh but it certainly that 2327 03:03:46,399 --> 03:03:48,960 property is a definite eyesore the way 2328 03:03:48,960 --> 03:03:52,399 it is. And if they can do something 2329 03:03:52,399 --> 03:03:54,560 that's not going to be an eyesore, I'm 2330 03:03:54,560 --> 03:03:55,920 for it. 2331 03:03:55,920 --> 03:03:58,469 >> Thank you, 2332 03:03:58,469 --> 03:03:58,479 » Thank you, 2333 03:03:58,479 --> 03:04:03,110 >> Francisco. Welcome, 2334 03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:05,840 » Francisco Ramirez, mayor, city council 2335 03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:09,120 members. Thank you. Um, I for one, I 2336 03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:11,120 don't speak for those other Hispanic or 2337 03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:13,439 Latinos that were just mentioned earlier 2338 03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:16,160 earlier. Um, as you know, I grew up here 2339 03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:19,760 in Paso Robles. I went to Marie Bower 2340 03:04:19,760 --> 03:04:22,720 and and Flamson and Pas Robles High 2341 03:04:22,720 --> 03:04:26,960 School. Um, and I I I don't agree that 2342 03:04:26,960 --> 03:04:30,800 there is security risk. I mean, since I 2343 03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:32,640 remember going there sixth, seventh, and 2344 03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:34,880 eighth grade, uh, there have always been 2345 03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:37,920 a gas station right across the street 2346 03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:40,080 that sells beer, sells alcohol, sells 2347 03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:42,319 cigarettes. There's another one, Kitty 2348 03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:44,720 Corner, right across the street that 2349 03:04:44,720 --> 03:04:47,359 also sells alcohol and cigarettes. And 2350 03:04:47,359 --> 03:04:49,600 that's never been a problem before. I 2351 03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:51,520 mean, I remember getting out of Flamson 2352 03:04:51,520 --> 03:04:53,359 and then running there and getting, you 2353 03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:54,720 know, getting my gum and getting my 2354 03:04:54,720 --> 03:04:57,520 sodas or Gatorade before I get home cuz 2355 03:04:57,520 --> 03:04:59,279 I was seriously I was tired of school 2356 03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:02,160 already. Um, so I I do approve of this 2357 03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:04,399 and I want to say uh with the planning 2358 03:05:04,399 --> 03:05:05,680 commission that already, you know, 2359 03:05:05,680 --> 03:05:07,760 approved of this. I would like for you 2360 03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:10,240 guys to support that and also our staff 2361 03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:12,880 saying for you guys to approve this, I I 2362 03:05:12,880 --> 03:05:16,720 would agree on that. Um and then also um 2363 03:05:16,720 --> 03:05:20,870 before there was writ 2364 03:05:20,880 --> 03:05:23,680 because I used to walk it. Um and that 2365 03:05:23,680 --> 03:05:26,160 grocery store also had alcohol, had 2366 03:05:26,160 --> 03:05:30,240 cigarettes. Um so I don't believe in 2367 03:05:30,240 --> 03:05:32,960 that being a a risk there or security 2368 03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:35,600 issue. There's always been alcohol and 2369 03:05:35,600 --> 03:05:38,319 uh cigarettes available in that corner 2370 03:05:38,319 --> 03:05:41,359 right in front of Flamson. As a former 2371 03:05:41,359 --> 03:05:43,920 student of Flamson, one of my teachers 2372 03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:47,359 is here, too. 2373 03:05:47,359 --> 03:05:50,800 She knows that I always attended school 2374 03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:53,359 and I ran out soon as that bell rang. I 2375 03:05:53,359 --> 03:05:55,120 was going across the street to give me a 2376 03:05:55,120 --> 03:05:58,399 drink or give me snacks or gum. So, I do 2377 03:05:58,399 --> 03:06:00,160 approve and I wish you guys listen to 2378 03:06:00,160 --> 03:06:02,560 our staff and to also our planning 2379 03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:03,680 commission. Thank you. 2380 03:06:03,680 --> 03:06:07,030 >> All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone 2381 03:06:07,030 --> 03:06:07,040 » All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone 2382 03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:09,120 else? 2383 03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:10,560 All right, we'll close public comment. 2384 03:06:10,560 --> 03:06:12,240 Bring it back to 2385 03:06:12,240 --> 03:06:14,230 >> Yeah, we got one more. 2386 03:06:14,230 --> 03:06:14,240 » Yeah, we got one more. 2387 03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:15,830 >> Come on in, John. 2388 03:06:15,830 --> 03:06:15,840 » Come on in, John. 2389 03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:19,750 >> Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at 2390 03:06:19,750 --> 03:06:19,760 » Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at 2391 03:06:19,760 --> 03:06:23,279 Flamson for quite a few years 2392 03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:27,279 and um my only concern quite frankly 2393 03:06:27,279 --> 03:06:29,120 right now 2394 03:06:29,120 --> 03:06:32,240 beyond the alcohol situation because 2395 03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:34,160 quite frankly I don't think it's going 2396 03:06:34,160 --> 03:06:37,680 to go uh I don't think they'll approve 2397 03:06:37,680 --> 03:06:42,000 uh the location that close to Flamson 2398 03:06:42,000 --> 03:06:46,399 but there are other issues there that 2399 03:06:46,399 --> 03:06:50,560 haven't really been uh aired that I'm 2400 03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:52,880 concerned about. 2401 03:06:52,880 --> 03:06:57,359 I live on Rosemary Drive right next to 2402 03:06:57,359 --> 03:06:59,520 Almond Acres. 2403 03:06:59,520 --> 03:07:06,880 We have uh 58 homes in that uh area and 2404 03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:10,000 over a 100 cars of our own. And the 2405 03:07:10,000 --> 03:07:13,439 things that unite us is trying to get 2406 03:07:13,439 --> 03:07:17,040 out of that area. 2407 03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:18,880 uh 2408 03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:22,960 at 7:00 to about 8:30 2409 03:07:22,960 --> 03:07:26,399 we can't get out to our own work. Uh 2410 03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:29,439 coming home, same type of thing. And 2411 03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:33,359 we're working on that and we'll continue 2412 03:07:33,359 --> 03:07:38,319 to actively uh look at the safety uh 2413 03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:40,479 situation. 2414 03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:44,399 The thing that bothers me about this is 2415 03:07:44,399 --> 03:07:47,680 the question of potential 2416 03:07:47,680 --> 03:07:51,279 traffic problems, especially going on to 2417 03:07:51,279 --> 03:07:52,800 uh 2418 03:07:52,800 --> 03:07:54,880 Spring Street. 2419 03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:59,520 If we go ahead and do this project, we 2420 03:07:59,520 --> 03:08:03,760 have to have more ways of getting in and 2421 03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:08,240 out besides one driveway. 2422 03:08:08,240 --> 03:08:12,160 Okay. The second part that concerns me 2423 03:08:12,160 --> 03:08:15,600 is what's going to happen when parents 2424 03:08:15,600 --> 03:08:19,040 come and the buses come to drop off the 2425 03:08:19,040 --> 03:08:23,920 students and then around 3:00 come to go 2426 03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:28,319 ahead and pick them up. Now, if that 2427 03:08:28,319 --> 03:08:31,040 problem can be solved, 2428 03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:36,240 great. Let's do it. But until then, 2429 03:08:36,240 --> 03:08:39,040 with my own experience on Rosemary 2430 03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:43,840 Drive, uh, it becomes a real safety 2431 03:08:43,840 --> 03:08:45,520 issue. Thank you. 2432 03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:47,910 >> Thank you, Tim. 2433 03:08:47,910 --> 03:08:47,920 » Thank you, Tim. 2434 03:08:47,920 --> 03:08:50,319 Okay. Anyone else in the audience? 2435 03:08:50,319 --> 03:08:51,840 Anyone online? Melissa? 2436 03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:52,870 >> No, sir. 2437 03:08:52,870 --> 03:08:52,880 » No, sir. 2438 03:08:52,880 --> 03:08:54,630 >> Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it 2439 03:08:54,630 --> 03:08:54,640 » Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it 2440 03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,600 back to council for discussion and or 2441 03:08:57,600 --> 03:09:00,319 action on this item. 2442 03:09:00,319 --> 03:09:02,389 >> Go ahead, Chris. 2443 03:09:02,389 --> 03:09:02,399 » Go ahead, Chris. 2444 03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:03,439 You want to start? 2445 03:09:03,439 --> 03:09:06,469 >> I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's 2446 03:09:06,469 --> 03:09:06,479 » I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's 2447 03:09:06,479 --> 03:09:09,200 comments and uh the presentation by 2448 03:09:09,200 --> 03:09:12,080 Jamie. This is tricky because of sort of 2449 03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:15,920 the boundary on those zoning areas. Um 2450 03:09:15,920 --> 03:09:17,359 and the way, you know, I'm going to be 2451 03:09:17,359 --> 03:09:21,120 approaching all of these land use 2452 03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:23,359 decisions that we're making like what 2453 03:09:23,359 --> 03:09:26,160 does the community need? And I think 2454 03:09:26,160 --> 03:09:29,840 it's a it's a unique location with some 2455 03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:32,640 unique needs. 2456 03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:35,760 And uh like what was mentioned with uh 2457 03:09:35,760 --> 03:09:38,560 some of my colleagues, you know, the the 2458 03:09:38,560 --> 03:09:41,200 need for resident residential is very 2459 03:09:41,200 --> 03:09:44,319 important. And I appreciate that maybe 2460 03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:46,560 it didn't pencil out in the uh through 2461 03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:49,920 the architecture process. Um but that 2462 03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:52,000 does not negate the fact that the 2463 03:09:52,000 --> 03:09:55,680 community needs housing. The community 2464 03:09:55,680 --> 03:09:59,040 needs child care and especially the 2465 03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:01,840 community needs lots of things and I'm 2466 03:10:01,840 --> 03:10:03,840 not sure if this particular project it 2467 03:10:03,840 --> 03:10:07,040 is beautiful. It is an improvement from 2468 03:10:07,040 --> 03:10:10,000 an aesthetic standpoint but I'm not sure 2469 03:10:10,000 --> 03:10:14,720 if it's what the Uptown uh center needs. 2470 03:10:14,720 --> 03:10:17,110 >> Thank Chris Fred. 2471 03:10:17,110 --> 03:10:17,120 » Thank Chris Fred. 2472 03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:19,590 >> Yeah. Well, I have a little different 2473 03:10:19,590 --> 03:10:19,600 » Yeah. Well, I have a little different 2474 03:10:19,600 --> 03:10:22,240 point of view and 2475 03:10:22,240 --> 03:10:24,880 I understand Linda's 2476 03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:26,960 understanding about the Hispanic 2477 03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:29,520 community, but I I'm not in favor of 2478 03:10:29,520 --> 03:10:31,760 creating gilders and I'm more for 2479 03:10:31,760 --> 03:10:34,560 integration, not segregation. And I 2480 03:10:34,560 --> 03:10:37,439 appreciated Francisco saying as much too 2481 03:10:37,439 --> 03:10:38,880 that the Hispanic they've worked very 2482 03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:40,720 hard to try to integrate this Hispanic 2483 03:10:40,720 --> 03:10:43,040 community with the white community, not 2484 03:10:43,040 --> 03:10:45,680 segregated. And I think that's very 2485 03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:47,279 important that we have to treat each 2486 03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:50,800 other equally and and not create 2487 03:10:50,800 --> 03:10:54,080 things situations like that. 2488 03:10:54,080 --> 03:10:57,600 I respect the architect and his opinion 2489 03:10:57,600 --> 03:11:00,319 about about residential. If it doesn't 2490 03:11:00,319 --> 03:11:03,439 pencil, it doesn't pencil. And it's as 2491 03:11:03,439 --> 03:11:06,080 simple as that. You can't make the 2492 03:11:06,080 --> 03:11:08,560 property unusable. 2493 03:11:08,560 --> 03:11:10,720 And it really looks like this is about 2494 03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:13,520 the only practical use for that property 2495 03:11:13,520 --> 03:11:16,080 as it currently exists. Now, if it was 2496 03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:17,279 purchased by one of the neighboring 2497 03:11:17,279 --> 03:11:18,560 properties and integrated into a 2498 03:11:18,560 --> 03:11:21,120 neighbor neighboring property, that's a 2499 03:11:21,120 --> 03:11:23,439 whole different story. But as long as it 2500 03:11:23,439 --> 03:11:25,760 is a single property owner and stands 2501 03:11:25,760 --> 03:11:28,399 alone, I think this may be the best use 2502 03:11:28,399 --> 03:11:30,720 possible. 2503 03:11:30,720 --> 03:11:33,190 >> Good. Prom Gregory. 2504 03:11:33,190 --> 03:11:33,200 » Good. Prom Gregory. 2505 03:11:33,200 --> 03:11:35,990 >> Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that. 2506 03:11:35,990 --> 03:11:36,000 » Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that. 2507 03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:37,840 I think one of the issues that's really 2508 03:11:37,840 --> 03:11:39,040 important on this property that's 2509 03:11:39,040 --> 03:11:42,000 unusual is the access, the ingress and 2510 03:11:42,000 --> 03:11:46,000 the egress. It's a shared egress in um 2511 03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:48,800 ingress. I've been visiting that 2512 03:11:48,800 --> 03:11:50,640 property for years for my friends who 2513 03:11:50,640 --> 03:11:54,560 owned Western Courts and if traffic is a 2514 03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:56,640 concern, they has they had a dance 2515 03:11:56,640 --> 03:11:58,319 school in the back with lots of traffic 2516 03:11:58,319 --> 03:12:01,279 coming and going. And um I really think 2517 03:12:01,279 --> 03:12:04,160 it's important to for a property to be 2518 03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:08,399 developed to attract business. It's the 2519 03:12:08,399 --> 03:12:10,080 dream of the owners to make something 2520 03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:12,080 that's going to work. And a couple 2521 03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:14,800 really nice benefits of this project, 2522 03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:16,479 they've got the food specialty in the 2523 03:12:16,479 --> 03:12:19,359 deli in the front, the wine and beer 2524 03:12:19,359 --> 03:12:21,520 tasting in the back, and then they have 2525 03:12:21,520 --> 03:12:22,880 this public meeting room where they 2526 03:12:22,880 --> 03:12:24,319 might even let Linda George have a 2527 03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:27,920 meeting if she asks. Anyway, 2528 03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:30,319 but it's kind of a perfect use because 2529 03:12:30,319 --> 03:12:32,080 the property right next door is heavily 2530 03:12:32,080 --> 03:12:33,760 commercial where they used to 2531 03:12:33,760 --> 03:12:36,720 manufacture all the lights and um I 2532 03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:38,240 think it's a great project and I'm ready 2533 03:12:38,240 --> 03:12:40,880 to make a motion if somebody else wants 2534 03:12:40,880 --> 03:12:43,349 >> Chris. 2535 03:12:43,349 --> 03:12:43,359 » Chris. 2536 03:12:43,359 --> 03:12:44,960 Well, thank you for for waiting for just 2537 03:12:44,960 --> 03:12:47,760 a moment. Um 2538 03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:50,399 I've I've always been a private property 2539 03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:54,319 rights person. Always. Um, I think it's 2540 03:12:54,319 --> 03:12:56,479 up to the individual property owner to 2541 03:12:56,479 --> 03:13:00,479 make a decision whether or not the the 2542 03:13:00,479 --> 03:13:02,000 land 2543 03:13:02,000 --> 03:13:05,520 uh the neighborhood city will support 2544 03:13:05,520 --> 03:13:08,160 their vision uh and make a viable 2545 03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:11,279 project. Uh I respect the property 2546 03:13:11,279 --> 03:13:15,040 owners uh time and investment in uh 2547 03:13:15,040 --> 03:13:17,920 acquiring the property in developing uh 2548 03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:20,880 new plans for the property. uh those 2549 03:13:20,880 --> 03:13:23,359 those have to be respected. I appreciate 2550 03:13:23,359 --> 03:13:27,200 Mr. Gabriel taking the time to look at 2551 03:13:27,200 --> 03:13:30,319 uh perhaps uh making a residential use 2552 03:13:30,319 --> 03:13:32,640 out of it. Does not appear that that's 2553 03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:37,120 uh viable. You have to respect that. Uh 2554 03:13:37,120 --> 03:13:40,160 we cannot will not legislate property 2555 03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:42,560 owners into what they have to do. And 2556 03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:43,760 we're going to be taking up another 2557 03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:46,080 project here or another topic later on 2558 03:13:46,080 --> 03:13:48,880 this evening. um similar themes will 2559 03:13:48,880 --> 03:13:51,840 come into play. I think we we have to go 2560 03:13:51,840 --> 03:13:54,960 forward uh if this is within the current 2561 03:13:54,960 --> 03:13:58,560 state um of of what our rules and 2562 03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:01,520 regulations uh will will allow. I I 2563 03:14:01,520 --> 03:14:03,040 think it's it's proper for us to 2564 03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:06,399 consider this. Um to Miss George's 2565 03:14:06,399 --> 03:14:09,439 point, if if you think you know the uh 2566 03:14:09,439 --> 03:14:13,359 uptown or the project or plan should be 2567 03:14:13,359 --> 03:14:17,279 amended, make that a project. Um, but I 2568 03:14:17,279 --> 03:14:19,840 I don't think you can hope for that to 2569 03:14:19,840 --> 03:14:21,439 happen in the future and make it 2570 03:14:21,439 --> 03:14:24,239 retroactive to this project today. Um, 2571 03:14:24,239 --> 03:14:27,120 so with with due respect for for your 2572 03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:29,840 suggestion. Um, with that, I'll let Mr. 2573 03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:31,359 Gregory. 2574 03:14:31,359 --> 03:14:32,630 >> Well, I was going to weigh in too. 2575 03:14:32,630 --> 03:14:32,640 » Well, I was going to weigh in too. 2576 03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:34,560 Again, I I very supportive of the 2577 03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:36,560 project. I mean, I believe I know the 2578 03:14:36,560 --> 03:14:38,160 original owners of this building, too, 2579 03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:40,640 and I think they're probably close to 70 2580 03:14:40,640 --> 03:14:43,520 years old, if not 60 at least. uh and to 2581 03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:47,200 see uh architect Gabriel come up with a 2582 03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:48,880 design that really improved that whole 2583 03:14:48,880 --> 03:14:50,720 property is amazing. I I really think 2584 03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:53,600 it's going to be much improved uh to the 2585 03:14:53,600 --> 03:14:56,640 the area with regard to, you know, 2586 03:14:56,640 --> 03:15:01,359 having that TC2 just contiguous to that 2587 03:15:01,359 --> 03:15:03,600 lot. We can have the same use there, but 2588 03:15:03,600 --> 03:15:06,319 not uh on the north side of the of the 2589 03:15:06,319 --> 03:15:08,000 line. It doesn't make sense to me. It's 2590 03:15:08,000 --> 03:15:10,399 all in the same unit pretty much. not to 2591 03:15:10,399 --> 03:15:11,760 means that you know they're going to 2592 03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:13,760 have wine sales there but they could 2593 03:15:13,760 --> 03:15:16,800 have sales there. So I think that uh 2594 03:15:16,800 --> 03:15:20,399 it's an you know to me opportunity for 2595 03:15:20,399 --> 03:15:22,880 small entrepreneurs to show their wares 2596 03:15:22,880 --> 03:15:24,080 and if it's not wine it could be 2597 03:15:24,080 --> 03:15:27,040 something else and um having a food uh 2598 03:15:27,040 --> 03:15:28,800 place there too along with outside 2599 03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:30,560 seating I think again it's a great use 2600 03:15:30,560 --> 03:15:33,279 along with some meeting room space. So u 2601 03:15:33,279 --> 03:15:35,520 very impressive Larry uh what you did 2602 03:15:35,520 --> 03:15:38,319 there. So I'm uh I'm good and supportive 2603 03:15:38,319 --> 03:15:40,160 with. So Councilman Gregory if you'd 2604 03:15:40,160 --> 03:15:42,479 like to make a motion. Um, 2605 03:15:42,479 --> 03:15:44,880 I just want to compliment um, Jamie Kirk 2606 03:15:44,880 --> 03:15:46,640 and the owner of this project for 2607 03:15:46,640 --> 03:15:49,200 design. It's really nicely done. It'll 2608 03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:51,279 be a nice improvement. So, I'm going to 2609 03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:54,640 move that we approve resolution 25XXA 2610 03:15:54,640 --> 03:15:57,040 to approve the general plan amendment 2611 03:15:57,040 --> 03:15:58,560 25-01 2612 03:15:58,560 --> 03:16:02,640 and a specific plan amendment 251. 2613 03:16:02,640 --> 03:16:05,830 >> Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and 2614 03:16:05,830 --> 03:16:05,840 » Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and 2615 03:16:05,840 --> 03:16:08,080 second by Strong. I'm going to second 2616 03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:08,319 that. 2617 03:16:08,319 --> 03:16:10,550 >> Second by Strong. Okay. 2618 03:16:10,550 --> 03:16:10,560 » Second by Strong. Okay. 2619 03:16:10,560 --> 03:16:12,000 Now I will call for the motion on the 2620 03:16:12,000 --> 03:16:13,760 first resolution. 2621 03:16:13,760 --> 03:16:15,349 >> Council member Gregory I. 2622 03:16:15,349 --> 03:16:15,359 » Council member Gregory I. 2623 03:16:15,359 --> 03:16:16,710 >> Council member Strong I. 2624 03:16:16,710 --> 03:16:16,720 » Council member Strong I. 2625 03:16:16,720 --> 03:16:17,670 >> Council member Bosch. 2626 03:16:17,670 --> 03:16:17,680 » Council member Bosch. 2627 03:16:17,680 --> 03:16:18,070 >> Hi. 2628 03:16:18,070 --> 03:16:18,080 » Hi. 2629 03:16:18,080 --> 03:16:19,030 >> Council member Val. 2630 03:16:19,030 --> 03:16:19,040 » Council member Val. 2631 03:16:19,040 --> 03:16:20,950 >> No. Mayor Hammond. 2632 03:16:20,950 --> 03:16:20,960 » No. Mayor Hammond. 2633 03:16:20,960 --> 03:16:21,510 >> I. 2634 03:16:21,510 --> 03:16:21,520 » I. 2635 03:16:21,520 --> 03:16:22,870 >> Motion passes. 2636 03:16:22,870 --> 03:16:22,880 » Motion passes. 2637 03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:26,389 >> Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move 2638 03:16:26,389 --> 03:16:26,399 » Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move 2639 03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:29,359 that we approve the resolution 25XXX 2640 03:16:29,359 --> 03:16:32,319 B to approve the conditional use permit 2641 03:16:32,319 --> 03:16:34,000 24-10 2642 03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:36,479 for private meeting facility site plan 2643 03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:39,840 review 2413 for the physical changes to 2644 03:16:39,840 --> 03:16:41,359 the site and building. 2645 03:16:41,359 --> 03:16:42,389 >> Second. 2646 03:16:42,389 --> 03:16:42,399 » Second. 2647 03:16:42,399 --> 03:16:44,070 >> Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by 2648 03:16:44,070 --> 03:16:44,080 » Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by 2649 03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:46,319 Bosch. Discussion. 2650 03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:47,910 >> Okay. Call for the question on that. 2651 03:16:47,910 --> 03:16:47,920 » Okay. Call for the question on that. 2652 03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:49,110 >> Council member Gregory. 2653 03:16:49,110 --> 03:16:49,120 » Council member Gregory. 2654 03:16:49,120 --> 03:16:49,590 >> I. 2655 03:16:49,590 --> 03:16:49,600 » I. 2656 03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:50,630 >> Council member Bosch. 2657 03:16:50,630 --> 03:16:50,640 » Council member Bosch. 2658 03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:51,030 >> I. 2659 03:16:51,030 --> 03:16:51,040 » I. 2660 03:16:51,040 --> 03:16:52,070 >> Council member Beal. 2661 03:16:52,070 --> 03:16:52,080 » Council member Beal. 2662 03:16:52,080 --> 03:16:53,670 >> No. Council member Strong. 2663 03:16:53,670 --> 03:16:53,680 » No. Council member Strong. 2664 03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:54,229 >> I. 2665 03:16:54,229 --> 03:16:54,239 » I. 2666 03:16:54,239 --> 03:16:55,030 >> Mayor Hammond. 2667 03:16:55,030 --> 03:16:55,040 » Mayor Hammond. 2668 03:16:55,040 --> 03:16:55,510 >> Hi. 2669 03:16:55,510 --> 03:16:55,520 » Hi. 2670 03:16:55,520 --> 03:16:57,030 >> Motion passes. 2671 03:16:57,030 --> 03:16:57,040 » Motion passes. 2672 03:16:57,040 --> 03:16:59,830 >> Very good. Well, thank you. 2673 03:16:59,830 --> 03:16:59,840 » Very good. Well, thank you. 2674 03:16:59,840 --> 03:17:01,510 >> Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll 2675 03:17:01,510 --> 03:17:01,520 » Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll 2676 03:17:01,520 --> 03:24:18,950 take a recess. 2677 03:24:18,960 --> 03:24:22,389 church. 2678 03:24:22,399 --> 03:24:24,080 » Can everybody take their seats? We'll go 2679 03:24:24,080 --> 03:24:30,210 ahead and get started again. 2680 03:24:30,220 --> 03:24:48,870 [Music] 2681 03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:50,479 Okay, we'll go ahead and reconvene the 2682 03:24:50,479 --> 03:24:54,960 meeting if everybody take a quiet. 2683 03:24:54,960 --> 03:24:57,439 We'll begin with discussion items uh 2684 03:24:57,439 --> 03:24:59,840 tonight. Number one, it's going to be a 2685 03:24:59,840 --> 03:25:02,160 legislative update and review regarding 2686 03:25:02,160 --> 03:25:04,880 food truck regulations. So, who has 2687 03:25:04,880 --> 03:25:07,840 that? Warren 2688 03:25:07,840 --> 03:25:10,950 >> or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2689 03:25:10,950 --> 03:25:10,960 » or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 2690 03:25:10,960 --> 03:25:12,720 Um, Warren Fre, community development 2691 03:25:12,720 --> 03:25:13,920 director. I'm just going to do a brief 2692 03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:16,720 introduction on this item. Um, we have 2693 03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:18,479 two of our city planners here tonight, 2694 03:25:18,479 --> 03:25:20,880 Katie Banister and Piper Smith. They've 2695 03:25:20,880 --> 03:25:22,720 both been working really hard to get 2696 03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:25,200 this item ready for um, discussion 2697 03:25:25,200 --> 03:25:27,840 tonight. So Piper will be making the 2698 03:25:27,840 --> 03:25:30,080 presentation, but both Piper and Katie 2699 03:25:30,080 --> 03:25:31,840 are available to answer questions as 2700 03:25:31,840 --> 03:25:35,359 they come up. So Piper, take it away. 2701 03:25:35,359 --> 03:25:37,349 >> Good evening, mayor and council members 2702 03:25:37,349 --> 03:25:37,359 » Good evening, mayor and council members 2703 03:25:37,359 --> 03:25:39,520 and audience here with us today. Um, I'm 2704 03:25:39,520 --> 03:25:41,840 here to discuss a the food truck 2705 03:25:41,840 --> 03:25:46,080 regulations update and review. 2706 03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:49,359 So what is a food truck? 2707 03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:51,279 Here are some examples of what we would 2708 03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:54,080 consider a food truck. Um, per our code, 2709 03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:55,760 it is defined as a vending vehicle 2710 03:25:55,760 --> 03:25:58,479 selling food and or beverages um in an 2711 03:25:58,479 --> 03:26:00,399 operable motorized coach or trailer with 2712 03:26:00,399 --> 03:26:02,720 a current DMV registration and a current 2713 03:26:02,720 --> 03:26:04,800 food safety permit acceptable to the St. 2714 03:26:04,800 --> 03:26:06,560 Louis Bispo County Health Service 2715 03:26:06,560 --> 03:26:09,040 Division. Um, as you can tell, these 2716 03:26:09,040 --> 03:26:11,680 photos reflect both trailers and trucks 2717 03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:13,120 themselves. So, the trailers are often 2718 03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:17,279 accompanied by personal vehicles. 2719 03:26:17,279 --> 03:26:18,960 What is not considered a food truck by 2720 03:26:18,960 --> 03:26:23,920 our code um are merchandise booths um 2721 03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:27,439 carts booths popups caterers selling 2722 03:26:27,439 --> 03:26:29,680 food. So these are non-motorized um 2723 03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:31,520 these often tend to be in public right 2724 03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:34,080 of way. Um therefore they do not fit 2725 03:26:34,080 --> 03:26:35,680 into the definition of what we consider 2726 03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:39,200 a food truck. 2727 03:26:39,200 --> 03:26:41,520 So the current city permitting process 2728 03:26:41,520 --> 03:26:43,520 step one is to obtain an approved mobile 2729 03:26:43,520 --> 03:26:44,960 food facility permit through the county 2730 03:26:44,960 --> 03:26:47,760 of St. less abyspo. 2731 03:26:47,760 --> 03:26:50,319 Then mobile food facility operators take 2732 03:26:50,319 --> 03:26:52,640 that county mobile food facility permit 2733 03:26:52,640 --> 03:26:54,720 and apply for a city business license to 2734 03:26:54,720 --> 03:26:57,200 operate within city limits. 2735 03:26:57,200 --> 03:26:58,960 That business license is routed to 2736 03:26:58,960 --> 03:27:01,040 industrial waste to acknowledge the fat, 2737 03:27:01,040 --> 03:27:02,399 oil, and grease and discharge 2738 03:27:02,399 --> 03:27:04,800 requirements. And it is routed to the 2739 03:27:04,800 --> 03:27:06,239 planning department to acknowledge 2740 03:27:06,239 --> 03:27:08,160 operational requirements and obtain the 2741 03:27:08,160 --> 03:27:12,239 appropriate food truck permit. 2742 03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:14,160 and renewal and inspection is required 2743 03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:16,319 every year for both that mobile food 2744 03:27:16,319 --> 03:27:17,760 facility permit and the business 2745 03:27:17,760 --> 03:27:20,720 license. 2746 03:27:20,720 --> 03:27:22,960 So to touch on the first step, the 2747 03:27:22,960 --> 03:27:24,640 county of St. Louis Bispo public health 2748 03:27:24,640 --> 03:27:26,960 department mobile food facility permits. 2749 03:27:26,960 --> 03:27:28,479 I do want to emphasize that they 2750 03:27:28,479 --> 03:27:30,239 regulate food preparation, health and 2751 03:27:30,239 --> 03:27:32,560 safety and facility occupancy. They do 2752 03:27:32,560 --> 03:27:36,720 not regulate where or when they can 2753 03:27:36,720 --> 03:27:38,720 operate. That is to the discretion of 2754 03:27:38,720 --> 03:27:40,880 the jurisdiction they are within. They 2755 03:27:40,880 --> 03:27:42,640 are also required to submit a restroom 2756 03:27:42,640 --> 03:27:44,399 use agreement annually if they're 2757 03:27:44,399 --> 03:27:47,120 conducting business on a site for 1 hour 2758 03:27:47,120 --> 03:27:49,359 or more. Um, and that restroom must be 2759 03:27:49,359 --> 03:27:52,160 in 200 ft proximity to the vehicle um, 2760 03:27:52,160 --> 03:27:55,200 and available for use for employees and 2761 03:27:55,200 --> 03:27:58,080 contain um, appropriate hand sanit hand 2762 03:27:58,080 --> 03:28:00,319 sanitizing facilities. 2763 03:28:00,319 --> 03:28:02,160 In addition to that, a commissary use 2764 03:28:02,160 --> 03:28:03,840 agreement is required to be submitted 2765 03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:06,800 annually and this acknowledges the food 2766 03:28:06,800 --> 03:28:09,040 truck storage, waste disposal and 2767 03:28:09,040 --> 03:28:11,359 servicing and cleaning facility. So upon 2768 03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:13,359 obtaining that mobile food facility 2769 03:28:13,359 --> 03:28:14,960 permit, you are acknowledging that you 2770 03:28:14,960 --> 03:28:16,239 are working in conjunction with a 2771 03:28:16,239 --> 03:28:19,040 commissary use or you have an 2772 03:28:19,040 --> 03:28:21,760 alternative approved commissary or food 2773 03:28:21,760 --> 03:28:23,520 preparation facility in conjunction with 2774 03:28:23,520 --> 03:28:25,840 your food truck. Here on the image of 2775 03:28:25,840 --> 03:28:28,880 the right, you can see that every food 2776 03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:30,640 truck that has received a health permit 2777 03:28:30,640 --> 03:28:32,239 through the county of St. Louis Bispo is 2778 03:28:32,239 --> 03:28:35,200 required to have a sticker similar to a 2779 03:28:35,200 --> 03:28:37,120 DMV registration sticker with the 2780 03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:39,359 expiration date, the date of permitting, 2781 03:28:39,359 --> 03:28:41,040 and it's very clearly displayed on the 2782 03:28:41,040 --> 03:28:46,710 truck during all hours of operation. 2783 03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:49,120 So within title 21, the zoning code, 2784 03:28:49,120 --> 03:28:51,279 food truck food trucks fit into four 2785 03:28:51,279 --> 03:28:53,680 tiers. So there is the short-term which 2786 03:28:53,680 --> 03:28:55,680 is a single vehicle operating on one 2787 03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:58,000 location 7 days or less they are 2788 03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:00,160 required to have that business tax 2789 03:29:00,160 --> 03:29:02,560 certificate and um acknowledge the 2790 03:29:02,560 --> 03:29:04,160 operational requirements for food trucks 2791 03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:06,720 which we'll get into. Then moving to the 2792 03:29:06,720 --> 03:29:08,960 second tier if a food truck is operating 2793 03:29:08,960 --> 03:29:11,279 between 7 days but no more than a year 2794 03:29:11,279 --> 03:29:12,880 they are required to obtain a temporary 2795 03:29:12,880 --> 03:29:14,080 use permit through the planning 2796 03:29:14,080 --> 03:29:16,399 department. It is approved through staff 2797 03:29:16,399 --> 03:29:18,880 level review um as well as have that tax 2798 03:29:18,880 --> 03:29:20,560 certificate and acknowledge those 2799 03:29:20,560 --> 03:29:23,439 requirements. In the long term is a 2800 03:29:23,439 --> 03:29:25,279 single vehicle operating one location 2801 03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:27,040 one year or more. This requires a site 2802 03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:28,960 plan approval through development review 2803 03:29:28,960 --> 03:29:30,479 committee 2804 03:29:30,479 --> 03:29:32,800 and require a tax certificate and those 2805 03:29:32,800 --> 03:29:35,040 operational requirements. 2806 03:29:35,040 --> 03:29:37,200 And lastly, we do have food truck courts 2807 03:29:37,200 --> 03:29:38,800 which are two or more trucks operating 2808 03:29:38,800 --> 03:29:40,960 on a single site. This does not 2809 03:29:40,960 --> 03:29:42,880 acknowledge any specific time limit, but 2810 03:29:42,880 --> 03:29:44,319 it is subject to a conditional use 2811 03:29:44,319 --> 03:29:45,760 permit approval through planning 2812 03:29:45,760 --> 03:29:47,840 commission in addition to having that 2813 03:29:47,840 --> 03:29:49,920 tax certificate and meet those 2814 03:29:49,920 --> 03:29:53,920 requirements outlined in the guidelines. 2815 03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:57,040 I do want to note that there has not 2816 03:29:57,040 --> 03:30:00,239 been an active site plan or conditional 2817 03:30:00,239 --> 03:30:02,720 use permit since the code update. Um, so 2818 03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:04,960 we have been mostly focusing on the 2819 03:30:04,960 --> 03:30:06,560 short-term and the medium-term food 2820 03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:16,870 truck operations. 2821 03:30:16,880 --> 03:30:19,040 So the operational guidelines required 2822 03:30:19,040 --> 03:30:20,720 for all food trucks operating within 2823 03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:22,640 city limits are as followed. They must 2824 03:30:22,640 --> 03:30:24,399 be located on private property. So they 2825 03:30:24,399 --> 03:30:25,600 are not allowed to be in public 2826 03:30:25,600 --> 03:30:27,120 rightways. 2827 03:30:27,120 --> 03:30:28,880 They are required to get property owner 2828 03:30:28,880 --> 03:30:31,040 written approval. So this is different 2829 03:30:31,040 --> 03:30:33,680 from the business owner um approval that 2830 03:30:33,680 --> 03:30:35,279 may be operating on site. They can be 2831 03:30:35,279 --> 03:30:37,279 different in some cases. So we do 2832 03:30:37,279 --> 03:30:40,080 require property owner written approval. 2833 03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:42,000 They have to be accessory to a permanent 2834 03:30:42,000 --> 03:30:44,319 commercial business. Um so if it is a 2835 03:30:44,319 --> 03:30:46,239 vacant lot or if the business is going 2836 03:30:46,239 --> 03:30:48,319 out of business um that would not be 2837 03:30:48,319 --> 03:30:50,720 allowed. They have to be on paved 2838 03:30:50,720 --> 03:30:54,960 surface parking. Um so they cannot be on 2839 03:30:54,960 --> 03:30:57,520 um gravel. However, if it is an approved 2840 03:30:57,520 --> 03:31:00,880 parking service that is allowed. 2841 03:31:00,880 --> 03:31:03,680 They are required to remove all litter 2842 03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:06,160 uh within a 25 perimeter and on 2843 03:31:06,160 --> 03:31:08,479 property. 2844 03:31:08,479 --> 03:31:10,000 They are not allowed to discharge any 2845 03:31:10,000 --> 03:31:12,239 liquid on site during operation. That is 2846 03:31:12,239 --> 03:31:15,840 part of the commissary use. Um staff did 2847 03:31:15,840 --> 03:31:17,520 determine that no temporary shade 2848 03:31:17,520 --> 03:31:20,160 structures are allowed. Um this is to 2849 03:31:20,160 --> 03:31:22,239 kind of reduce the encroachment onto 2850 03:31:22,239 --> 03:31:25,040 those parking surfaces and parking um 2851 03:31:25,040 --> 03:31:27,920 existing commercial spaces as well as 2852 03:31:27,920 --> 03:31:30,239 comply to the county of St. Fispo's 2853 03:31:30,239 --> 03:31:32,000 requirement of no food preparation 2854 03:31:32,000 --> 03:31:35,680 outside of the mobile food facility. 2855 03:31:35,680 --> 03:31:37,120 Food trucks are also subject to the 2856 03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:38,720 noise provision of the zoning code 2857 03:31:38,720 --> 03:31:41,359 chapter 2182. Um something that has been 2858 03:31:41,359 --> 03:31:42,960 brought to light during this discussion 2859 03:31:42,960 --> 03:31:45,120 in internal review is at first it was 2860 03:31:45,120 --> 03:31:46,399 staff made the determination that 2861 03:31:46,399 --> 03:31:48,239 generators commonly used for food trucks 2862 03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:50,479 do not meet those guidelines. Um 2863 03:31:50,479 --> 03:31:52,640 typically so in the uptown and the 2864 03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:55,600 commercial zone properties the evening 2865 03:31:55,600 --> 03:31:58,880 decibel levels about 55 2866 03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:01,920 um normal average generators 2867 03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:04,720 output about 70 to 100 dB. There are 2868 03:32:04,720 --> 03:32:06,880 inverters that are in that 50 to 70 2869 03:32:06,880 --> 03:32:08,239 range. That is something I wanted to 2870 03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:09,920 bring to the council's attention to 2871 03:32:09,920 --> 03:32:12,640 discuss tonight. 2872 03:32:12,640 --> 03:32:14,319 They are required to establish hours of 2873 03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:16,479 operation. However, there is not a set 2874 03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:19,840 maximum or minimum. 2875 03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:23,120 They cannot impact circulation, 2876 03:32:23,120 --> 03:32:25,120 nor can they block any points of ingress 2877 03:32:25,120 --> 03:32:27,359 or egress. 2878 03:32:27,359 --> 03:32:29,279 And no overnight equipment storage is 2879 03:32:29,279 --> 03:32:31,120 allowed. So again, in conjunction with 2880 03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:32,960 needing a commissary or equivalent 2881 03:32:32,960 --> 03:32:35,040 approved by county of slow, um they 2882 03:32:35,040 --> 03:32:36,880 cannot store equipment on that site 2883 03:32:36,880 --> 03:32:40,239 they're operating on. 2884 03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:42,239 So here we have a map of some of the 2885 03:32:42,239 --> 03:32:44,319 common locations that food trucks have 2886 03:32:44,319 --> 03:32:46,880 been noted around the city. Um there are 2887 03:32:46,880 --> 03:32:49,680 currently 23 active food truck business 2888 03:32:49,680 --> 03:32:51,760 tax certificates. Um in the past 3 2889 03:32:51,760 --> 03:32:53,359 months, April to June, there were about 2890 03:32:53,359 --> 03:32:55,600 36 code compliance cases regarding 2891 03:32:55,600 --> 03:32:58,160 mobile vendors. The map displays you can 2892 03:32:58,160 --> 03:33:00,080 really see and they tend to be along 2893 03:33:00,080 --> 03:33:01,840 major corridors. So you have Spring, 2894 03:33:01,840 --> 03:33:04,319 Cresten, Niblick, Union. Um these are 2895 03:33:04,319 --> 03:33:05,920 all areas where again they've just been 2896 03:33:05,920 --> 03:33:07,200 kind of spotted out and about and have 2897 03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:08,640 brought to attention to by our 2898 03:33:08,640 --> 03:33:13,190 department. 2899 03:33:13,200 --> 03:33:15,040 So some challenges that code compliance 2900 03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:18,960 has faced um we adopted the food truck 2901 03:33:18,960 --> 03:33:21,680 regulations in around October of 2024. 2902 03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:23,680 Previously, they were under the umbrella 2903 03:33:23,680 --> 03:33:26,479 of temporary food service. And although 2904 03:33:26,479 --> 03:33:28,560 if they operated for over seven days, 2905 03:33:28,560 --> 03:33:30,479 they were still required to abide by the 2906 03:33:30,479 --> 03:33:32,479 temporary use permit requirements in 2907 03:33:32,479 --> 03:33:34,399 terms of not having any adverse effect 2908 03:33:34,399 --> 03:33:36,399 on the zoning or impacting public health 2909 03:33:36,399 --> 03:33:38,960 and safety as well as any other 2910 03:33:38,960 --> 03:33:40,640 conditions staff deemed appropriate for 2911 03:33:40,640 --> 03:33:42,239 that temporary use permit. They did not 2912 03:33:42,239 --> 03:33:44,000 have their own section in the code 2913 03:33:44,000 --> 03:33:45,520 specifically for food trucks that we 2914 03:33:45,520 --> 03:33:47,680 defined earlier. 2915 03:33:47,680 --> 03:33:49,760 So, something that code compliance has 2916 03:33:49,760 --> 03:33:51,520 brought to our attention um is they were 2917 03:33:51,520 --> 03:33:53,680 having typic difficulty enforcing and 2918 03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:56,160 regulating the 7-day time limit and what 2919 03:33:56,160 --> 03:33:58,160 permit they needed. Um so, during 2920 03:33:58,160 --> 03:34:00,720 internal discussion, they did deem that 2921 03:34:00,720 --> 03:34:03,200 needing a temporary use permit or um 2922 03:34:03,200 --> 03:34:05,520 those higher up site plans, condition 2923 03:34:05,520 --> 03:34:07,920 use permit based on the specific request 2924 03:34:07,920 --> 03:34:10,239 uh may be a good use for all food trucks 2925 03:34:10,239 --> 03:34:12,239 in order to have those regulations on 2926 03:34:12,239 --> 03:34:14,000 site. Make sure that the operator 2927 03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:17,120 acknowledges those necessary 2928 03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:21,040 operating requirements um and not have 2929 03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:24,080 to continually keep track of a 7-day 2930 03:34:24,080 --> 03:34:25,760 time frame and track where these 2931 03:34:25,760 --> 03:34:31,750 specific companies and trucks are. 2932 03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:34,720 So through discussion uh staff has taken 2933 03:34:34,720 --> 03:34:36,880 some action 2934 03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:39,680 preemptively to any sort of changes. Um 2935 03:34:39,680 --> 03:34:42,160 we have created a web page dedicated 2936 03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:43,840 specifically to food trucks. So this 2937 03:34:43,840 --> 03:34:45,600 outlines the operational guidelines, 2938 03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:48,000 what is and is not allowed, as well as 2939 03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:49,760 the application and material for 2940 03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:53,279 permits. We are also working on updating 2941 03:34:53,279 --> 03:34:55,279 a dedicated food truck temporary use 2942 03:34:55,279 --> 03:34:58,080 permit application so that operators can 2943 03:34:58,080 --> 03:34:59,840 acknowledge those requirements before 2944 03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:02,160 obtaining any permit um knowing kind of 2945 03:35:02,160 --> 03:35:03,600 what to expect through that review 2946 03:35:03,600 --> 03:35:05,200 process. 2947 03:35:05,200 --> 03:35:08,080 Similarly, we are creating a permit that 2948 03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:10,160 is to be kept on site during operation. 2949 03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:12,000 So while code compliance goes out and 2950 03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:13,600 communicates and facilitates discussion 2951 03:35:13,600 --> 03:35:15,760 with these operators, they have a permit 2952 03:35:15,760 --> 03:35:17,279 on site with them. They can go through 2953 03:35:17,279 --> 03:35:18,640 and ensure that they're meeting all 2954 03:35:18,640 --> 03:35:20,560 requirements. 2955 03:35:20,560 --> 03:35:22,560 Internally, we are also creating shared 2956 03:35:22,560 --> 03:35:25,200 databases and tracking to ensure that we 2957 03:35:25,200 --> 03:35:26,800 are all on the same page of who's 2958 03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:28,399 allowed to be where and what we have 2959 03:35:28,399 --> 03:35:30,960 going on in the city. Um, as well as 2960 03:35:30,960 --> 03:35:32,560 other ongoing process improvements and 2961 03:35:32,560 --> 03:35:33,920 more to be made following this 2962 03:35:33,920 --> 03:35:38,070 discussion tonight. 2963 03:35:38,080 --> 03:35:40,080 So the option city council has tonight 2964 03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:42,160 is to receive and file this report 2965 03:35:42,160 --> 03:35:43,840 direct staff to return to city council 2966 03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:45,920 with an amendment to pastor robel's 2967 03:35:45,920 --> 03:35:47,680 municipal code section food trucks and 2968 03:35:47,680 --> 03:35:50,880 food truck court requiring tup for all 2969 03:35:50,880 --> 03:35:52,960 food trucks operating within pass robels 2970 03:35:52,960 --> 03:35:55,200 to establish an ad hoc committee of the 2971 03:35:55,200 --> 03:35:56,880 city council to facilitate a more 2972 03:35:56,880 --> 03:35:58,720 focused review um gather additional 2973 03:35:58,720 --> 03:36:00,800 input for food trucks or provide 2974 03:36:00,800 --> 03:36:02,800 alternative feedback or direction to 2975 03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:07,520 staff recommendation is option two to 2976 03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:09,359 direct staff to return to city council 2977 03:36:09,359 --> 03:36:11,840 with that amendment. Um to require a 2978 03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,439 temporary use permit for all food trucks 2979 03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:15,600 operating within pass robels and any 2980 03:36:15,600 --> 03:36:17,279 other amendment city council may want to 2981 03:36:17,279 --> 03:36:19,200 pursue. Again, this would require staff 2982 03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:20,960 to come back to city council. So, no 2983 03:36:20,960 --> 03:36:22,319 immediate changes would be made to the 2984 03:36:22,319 --> 03:36:25,200 code. Or option three, establish an ad 2985 03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,200 hoc committee of the city council to 2986 03:36:27,200 --> 03:36:29,200 facilitate a more focused review and 2987 03:36:29,200 --> 03:36:32,640 gather additional input. 2988 03:36:32,640 --> 03:36:33,840 And any questions? 2989 03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:36,550 >> All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up 2990 03:36:36,550 --> 03:36:36,560 » All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up 2991 03:36:36,560 --> 03:36:38,560 on my left. Anyone start? 2992 03:36:38,560 --> 03:36:40,790 >> Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you 2993 03:36:40,790 --> 03:36:40,800 » Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you 2994 03:36:40,800 --> 03:36:42,399 so much for that presentation. It 2995 03:36:42,399 --> 03:36:44,560 actually looks like some points are 2996 03:36:44,560 --> 03:36:47,680 being clarified from some of the early 2997 03:36:47,680 --> 03:36:50,479 iterations of the website. I have some 2998 03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:54,160 process and content questions. Um, 2999 03:36:54,160 --> 03:36:55,920 in and this might be a question for 3000 03:36:55,920 --> 03:36:57,760 Katie or Warren, I don't know who, but 3001 03:36:57,760 --> 03:37:00,720 in the development of this ordinance, 3002 03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:03,760 did the consultant or staff 3003 03:37:03,760 --> 03:37:07,600 or planning commission consult with any 3004 03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:10,800 operators of a food truck just to kind 3005 03:37:10,800 --> 03:37:14,319 of ground truth how this might work and 3006 03:37:14,319 --> 03:37:16,000 if it might work. 3007 03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:17,830 >> So, the temporary use permit standards 3008 03:37:17,830 --> 03:37:17,840 » So, the temporary use permit standards 3009 03:37:17,840 --> 03:37:20,080 were adopted with the grand overhaul of 3010 03:37:20,080 --> 03:37:21,760 the zoning code. It was a very small 3011 03:37:21,760 --> 03:37:24,000 chapter within a lot of what we were 3012 03:37:24,000 --> 03:37:26,800 doing. Previous to that, previous to 3013 03:37:26,800 --> 03:37:29,600 putting it in the code, we were we staff 3014 03:37:29,600 --> 03:37:31,439 had made an interpretation that these 3015 03:37:31,439 --> 03:37:34,560 were um uh um temporary food service and 3016 03:37:34,560 --> 03:37:36,720 we were issuing temp uh temporary use 3017 03:37:36,720 --> 03:37:39,200 permits and routinely using these 3018 03:37:39,200 --> 03:37:40,720 requirement, you know, putting these 3019 03:37:40,720 --> 03:37:42,720 requirements on food trucks. So, we put 3020 03:37:42,720 --> 03:37:44,319 them into the zoning code so that 3021 03:37:44,319 --> 03:37:45,920 council could say, "Yes, this is the 3022 03:37:45,920 --> 03:37:47,680 appropriate these are the appropriate 3023 03:37:47,680 --> 03:37:49,439 conditions for a food truck." And so, 3024 03:37:49,439 --> 03:37:51,040 now they are in the code. They have been 3025 03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:53,040 the practice the policy of the city for 3026 03:37:53,040 --> 03:37:55,520 some time but um but they're now in the 3027 03:37:55,520 --> 03:37:58,479 code right so this was adopted in 3028 03:37:58,479 --> 03:38:00,080 October 3029 03:38:00,080 --> 03:38:03,040 um did was any effort made to reach out 3030 03:38:03,040 --> 03:38:04,560 to 3031 03:38:04,560 --> 03:38:07,600 uh operators business owners around that 3032 03:38:07,600 --> 03:38:09,439 time beginning of the year was there any 3033 03:38:09,439 --> 03:38:12,640 effort to reach out to HBA to get 3034 03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:14,560 information out or try to educate the 3035 03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:16,399 people that are affected by this 3036 03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:18,229 >> so even though the code is new the 3037 03:38:18,229 --> 03:38:18,239 » so even though the code is new the 3038 03:38:18,239 --> 03:38:19,920 standards have been the same so when 3039 03:38:19,920 --> 03:38:21,600 someone comes in for a business license, 3040 03:38:21,600 --> 03:38:23,359 we ask them if they intend to operate 3041 03:38:23,359 --> 03:38:25,840 some somewhere for a period of time and 3042 03:38:25,840 --> 03:38:27,760 we were routinely told no, they were not 3043 03:38:27,760 --> 03:38:29,840 going to operate in one location. So, we 3044 03:38:29,840 --> 03:38:31,680 were not issuing very many temporary use 3045 03:38:31,680 --> 03:38:33,680 permits, but but folks when they came in 3046 03:38:33,680 --> 03:38:35,439 for a business license were asked that 3047 03:38:35,439 --> 03:38:37,200 information. 3048 03:38:37,200 --> 03:38:40,710 >> Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the 3049 03:38:40,710 --> 03:38:40,720 » Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the 3050 03:38:40,720 --> 03:38:43,040 complaints that you'd gotten. So, April, 3051 03:38:43,040 --> 03:38:47,120 May, it sounds like can you characterize 3052 03:38:47,120 --> 03:38:49,680 in general what they looked like? 3053 03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:52,000 Yeah. So PD um held most of the 3054 03:38:52,000 --> 03:38:54,000 complaints that were received and a lot 3055 03:38:54,000 --> 03:38:56,080 of those only via statistical data was 3056 03:38:56,080 --> 03:38:58,399 passed all along as well as kind of um 3057 03:38:58,399 --> 03:39:00,160 through the grapevine just general 3058 03:39:00,160 --> 03:39:03,439 curiosity and understanding. Um so it 3059 03:39:03,439 --> 03:39:05,680 was more we got involved in the 3060 03:39:05,680 --> 03:39:07,520 conversation of the police department 3061 03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:10,560 wanting to better communicate to um 3062 03:39:10,560 --> 03:39:12,399 mobile vendors and food truck operators 3063 03:39:12,399 --> 03:39:15,359 of those guidelines. So, a lot of um 3064 03:39:15,359 --> 03:39:18,399 curiosity about what are these new 3065 03:39:18,399 --> 03:39:20,160 guidelines, how do I comply, what 3066 03:39:20,160 --> 03:39:22,080 department do I have to go to? In terms 3067 03:39:22,080 --> 03:39:24,239 of specific complaints, um there are 3068 03:39:24,239 --> 03:39:27,439 none that I necessarily had received. 3069 03:39:27,439 --> 03:39:30,560 So, we had uh new new code in October, 3070 03:39:30,560 --> 03:39:33,760 complaints, springish, 3071 03:39:33,760 --> 03:39:35,600 enforcement 3072 03:39:35,600 --> 03:39:39,920 happening actively in Julyish. 3073 03:39:39,920 --> 03:39:42,880 And when did the website get get uh 3074 03:39:42,880 --> 03:39:45,600 started? 3075 03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:47,910 >> Um I we put it together a couple weeks 3076 03:39:47,910 --> 03:39:47,920 » Um I we put it together a couple weeks 3077 03:39:47,920 --> 03:39:50,800 ago and then we uh it went live maybe 3078 03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:53,359 two weeks ago um in an effort to 3079 03:39:53,359 --> 03:39:54,160 communicate. 3080 03:39:54,160 --> 03:39:56,229 >> Right. So the website went live after 3081 03:39:56,229 --> 03:39:56,239 » Right. So the website went live after 3082 03:39:56,239 --> 03:39:57,760 the enforcement began 3083 03:39:57,760 --> 03:39:59,349 >> after we started receiving complaints 3084 03:39:59,349 --> 03:39:59,359 » after we started receiving complaints 3085 03:39:59,359 --> 03:40:03,040 and it became an issue of concern. 3086 03:40:03,040 --> 03:40:04,640 Was the website available when you 3087 03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:06,479 started calling people to tell them that 3088 03:40:06,479 --> 03:40:08,080 they had new new rules that they had to 3089 03:40:08,080 --> 03:40:09,840 follow? No, we did have handouts that we 3090 03:40:09,840 --> 03:40:11,120 gave people at the counter when they 3091 03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:13,279 came in. We had them translated um both 3092 03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:14,800 in English and Spanish. So when they 3093 03:40:14,800 --> 03:40:16,640 came in for a business license, we would 3094 03:40:16,640 --> 03:40:18,239 give that information, but we did not 3095 03:40:18,239 --> 03:40:19,600 have a website. No. 3096 03:40:19,600 --> 03:40:21,830 >> Okay. So I mean I have other sort of 3097 03:40:21,830 --> 03:40:21,840 » Okay. So I mean I have other sort of 3098 03:40:21,840 --> 03:40:24,399 details, but overall 3099 03:40:24,399 --> 03:40:28,000 I just think that um 3100 03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:29,840 I'll save my comments for later. So 3101 03:40:29,840 --> 03:40:31,279 thank you, 3102 03:40:31,279 --> 03:40:32,309 >> Councilman Strong. 3103 03:40:32,309 --> 03:40:32,319 » Councilman Strong. 3104 03:40:32,319 --> 03:40:35,269 >> Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that 3105 03:40:35,269 --> 03:40:35,279 » Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that 3106 03:40:35,279 --> 03:40:36,880 I'm only acquainted with one site very 3107 03:40:36,880 --> 03:40:39,520 well. That's site number 12 on your map. 3108 03:40:39,520 --> 03:40:41,439 Okay. And site number 12, we have two 3109 03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:43,520 interesting situations. And I'm 3110 03:40:43,520 --> 03:40:44,479 wondering about some of your 3111 03:40:44,479 --> 03:40:46,239 regulations. So, one of one of these 3112 03:40:46,239 --> 03:40:48,479 vehicles uh doesn't prepare any food at 3113 03:40:48,479 --> 03:40:51,920 all. They are just selling snacks out 3114 03:40:51,920 --> 03:40:54,720 out of a a permanent location. I mean, 3115 03:40:54,720 --> 03:40:56,880 it's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a 3116 03:40:56,880 --> 03:41:00,319 week, but it's not motorized and it's 3117 03:41:00,319 --> 03:41:02,479 not hooked up to any vehicle. It's just 3118 03:41:02,479 --> 03:41:04,720 sitting there. And it's only open in the 3119 03:41:04,720 --> 03:41:07,439 afternoons, evenings. as like snacks for 3120 03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:10,160 after after work things like that or 3121 03:41:10,160 --> 03:41:12,399 people over in the mobile home park etc. 3122 03:41:12,399 --> 03:41:14,479 The other one is only there a few days a 3123 03:41:14,479 --> 03:41:17,439 week and only during basic basically 3124 03:41:17,439 --> 03:41:20,720 lunch hour an extended lunch hour for a 3125 03:41:20,720 --> 03:41:23,920 number of of businesses there that have 3126 03:41:23,920 --> 03:41:26,800 manufacturing. They have large employee 3127 03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:29,520 number of employees but no cafeterias no 3128 03:41:29,520 --> 03:41:31,920 lunchroom no place for them to get food 3129 03:41:31,920 --> 03:41:35,760 except something like this. So, uh, it 3130 03:41:35,760 --> 03:41:40,399 is motorized, but the parking lot is 3131 03:41:40,399 --> 03:41:43,200 either a travel way or parking spaces 3132 03:41:43,200 --> 03:41:46,800 that's paved. They're on a a graveled or 3133 03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:50,479 level area that isn't paved, but it's 3134 03:41:50,479 --> 03:41:52,080 the only one that doesn't impact the 3135 03:41:52,080 --> 03:41:54,880 parking or or travel ways. So, I'm 3136 03:41:54,880 --> 03:41:58,479 wondering why would that be a problem? 3137 03:41:58,479 --> 03:42:00,710 >> So, for the first scenario, um, the 3138 03:42:00,710 --> 03:42:00,720 » So, for the first scenario, um, the 3139 03:42:00,720 --> 03:42:03,439 county of St. Bispo would categorize 3140 03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:07,200 permanent as a um unenclosed mobile food 3141 03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:09,520 facility and those tend to be more um 3142 03:42:09,520 --> 03:42:10,800 packaged foods like you were saying 3143 03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:12,800 pre-prepared. Um they do have a little 3144 03:42:12,800 --> 03:42:14,560 bit more guidelines. So as previously 3145 03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:16,960 mentioned um these requirements are 3146 03:42:16,960 --> 03:42:18,720 strictly for on private property 3147 03:42:18,720 --> 03:42:20,640 motorized um enclosed mobile food 3148 03:42:20,640 --> 03:42:22,479 facilities by using county of St. Louis 3149 03:42:22,479 --> 03:42:25,680 Bispo's definition. Um therefore, if it 3150 03:42:25,680 --> 03:42:30,000 were to fit into C the category of um uh 3151 03:42:30,000 --> 03:42:32,239 sidewalk fending, then we may put it 3152 03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:36,000 into another boxy. For your second um 3153 03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:37,520 example, that is where the discussion 3154 03:42:37,520 --> 03:42:40,640 with code compliance comes in of as long 3155 03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:42,960 as they are able to acknowledge um the 3156 03:42:42,960 --> 03:42:45,520 requirements and say we have a temporary 3157 03:42:45,520 --> 03:42:47,600 use permit for all operators for 3158 03:42:47,600 --> 03:42:49,680 understanding those guidelines. Um that 3159 03:42:49,680 --> 03:42:51,439 tracking of who's where would be a 3160 03:42:51,439 --> 03:42:53,520 little bit more efficient. um in terms 3161 03:42:53,520 --> 03:42:55,439 of making recommendations on the 3162 03:42:55,439 --> 03:42:57,520 operational guidelines and that is to 3163 03:42:57,520 --> 03:43:00,239 the city council today to see if maybe 3164 03:43:00,239 --> 03:43:01,920 um parking surface or material is 3165 03:43:01,920 --> 03:43:03,680 something for consideration. 3166 03:43:03,680 --> 03:43:05,349 >> Okay. And I'm wondering about this the 3167 03:43:05,349 --> 03:43:05,359 » Okay. And I'm wondering about this the 3168 03:43:05,359 --> 03:43:07,200 shade structure. 3169 03:43:07,200 --> 03:43:08,960 It gets very hot in the middle of the 3170 03:43:08,960 --> 03:43:11,359 summer here. Shade structure is 3171 03:43:11,359 --> 03:43:14,479 something that protects people's health. 3172 03:43:14,479 --> 03:43:16,550 >> Why would that not be allowed if it was 3173 03:43:16,550 --> 03:43:16,560 » Why would that not be allowed if it was 3174 03:43:16,560 --> 03:43:19,359 properly secured? 3175 03:43:19,359 --> 03:43:23,269 >> Can you speak on that? Um so it was 3176 03:43:23,269 --> 03:43:23,279 » Can you speak on that? Um so it was 3177 03:43:23,279 --> 03:43:25,120 mostly in terms of similar to your 3178 03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:27,520 previous point um encroaching on that 3179 03:43:27,520 --> 03:43:29,199 parking spaces and some concern that 3180 03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:33,040 we've been brought up about um competing 3181 03:43:33,040 --> 03:43:34,640 with brick and mortar businesses not 3182 03:43:34,640 --> 03:43:36,239 creating a restaurant-like environment 3183 03:43:36,239 --> 03:43:37,760 in open spaces. 3184 03:43:37,760 --> 03:43:39,750 >> What if it didn't encroach on any 3185 03:43:39,750 --> 03:43:39,760 » What if it didn't encroach on any 3186 03:43:39,760 --> 03:43:41,520 parking though 3187 03:43:41,520 --> 03:43:42,550 >> for that one? 3188 03:43:42,550 --> 03:43:42,560 » for that one? 3189 03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:44,229 >> What if it didn't encroach on any 3190 03:43:44,229 --> 03:43:44,239 » What if it didn't encroach on any 3191 03:43:44,239 --> 03:43:44,960 parking? 3192 03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:47,189 >> That would be yeah up to consideration 3193 03:43:47,189 --> 03:43:47,199 » That would be yeah up to consideration 3194 03:43:47,199 --> 03:43:48,640 again for city council recommendation. 3195 03:43:48,640 --> 03:43:50,479 And so then if it would possibly be 3196 03:43:50,479 --> 03:43:51,199 allowed. 3197 03:43:51,199 --> 03:43:51,910 >> Yes. 3198 03:43:51,910 --> 03:43:51,920 » Yes. 3199 03:43:51,920 --> 03:43:54,070 >> Okay. Thank you very much. 3200 03:43:54,070 --> 03:43:54,080 » Okay. Thank you very much. 3201 03:43:54,080 --> 03:43:59,189 >> Okay. I'll start with Councilman Bosch. 3202 03:43:59,199 --> 03:44:01,439 » So thank you for for the research and 3203 03:44:01,439 --> 03:44:04,319 presenting. I have a question regarding 3204 03:44:04,319 --> 03:44:06,640 um one of your suggestions for 3205 03:44:06,640 --> 03:44:08,479 consideration and that's the ad hoc 3206 03:44:08,479 --> 03:44:11,199 committee forming a two member ad hoc 3207 03:44:11,199 --> 03:44:13,120 committee. Okay. Okay, so I get that for 3208 03:44:13,120 --> 03:44:16,239 Brown Act violations, but why only or it 3209 03:44:16,239 --> 03:44:18,880 says here solely of two city council 3210 03:44:18,880 --> 03:44:20,399 members 3211 03:44:20,399 --> 03:44:23,120 uh can site numerous examples of having 3212 03:44:23,120 --> 03:44:24,800 members of the public be part of the ad 3213 03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:28,560 hoc committee in the past? Um your 3214 03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:31,359 what's the nexus of of just limiting it 3215 03:44:31,359 --> 03:44:34,720 to city council? 3216 03:44:34,720 --> 03:44:36,469 >> Council, you can can establish the ad 3217 03:44:36,469 --> 03:44:36,479 » Council, you can can establish the ad 3218 03:44:36,479 --> 03:44:38,239 hoc with whatever membership you would 3219 03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:40,160 like to to have that. You know, this was 3220 03:44:40,160 --> 03:44:41,840 one suggestion of how we might tackle 3221 03:44:41,840 --> 03:44:43,040 the the issue. 3222 03:44:43,040 --> 03:44:45,030 >> I if we go down that path, I just see 3223 03:44:45,030 --> 03:44:45,040 » I if we go down that path, I just see 3224 03:44:45,040 --> 03:44:47,760 lots of of of people on both sides of 3225 03:44:47,760 --> 03:44:49,359 the question out here in the audience 3226 03:44:49,359 --> 03:44:52,800 tonight that I would really like to 3227 03:44:52,800 --> 03:44:54,560 value their input on an ad hoc 3228 03:44:54,560 --> 03:44:55,120 committee. 3229 03:44:55,120 --> 03:44:57,110 >> A benefit of an ad hoc committee would 3230 03:44:57,110 --> 03:44:57,120 » A benefit of an ad hoc committee would 3231 03:44:57,120 --> 03:44:59,120 allow for public input and participation 3232 03:44:59,120 --> 03:45:00,720 in any meetings. 3233 03:45:00,720 --> 03:45:01,750 >> Thank you. 3234 03:45:01,750 --> 03:45:01,760 » Thank you. 3235 03:45:01,760 --> 03:45:04,070 >> Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel 3236 03:45:04,070 --> 03:45:04,080 » Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel 3237 03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:06,080 members on a uh subcommittee, then it 3238 03:45:06,080 --> 03:45:07,439 becomes a brown act committee and all 3239 03:45:07,439 --> 03:45:09,680 meetings would have to be noticed. 3240 03:45:09,680 --> 03:45:11,359 that that didn't seem to be a problem 3241 03:45:11,359 --> 03:45:13,520 with the parking committee. So, yeah, I 3242 03:45:13,520 --> 03:45:14,880 I'd acknowledge that. And 3243 03:45:14,880 --> 03:45:16,790 >> and and I guess if I could, I would just 3244 03:45:16,790 --> 03:45:16,800 » and and I guess if I could, I would just 3245 03:45:16,800 --> 03:45:18,560 add to the thought process behind that 3246 03:45:18,560 --> 03:45:20,239 was to just to create some clarity that 3247 03:45:20,239 --> 03:45:21,520 the committee would be made up of the 3248 03:45:21,520 --> 03:45:25,120 two council members, but that the public 3249 03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:27,359 would be able to participate. It it was 3250 03:45:27,359 --> 03:45:29,359 it was staff's intent though that the 3251 03:45:29,359 --> 03:45:30,880 membership of the committee is just the 3252 03:45:30,880 --> 03:45:32,720 two members. Just for clarity sake, 3253 03:45:32,720 --> 03:45:34,000 who's on the committee? Who's off the 3254 03:45:34,000 --> 03:45:35,520 committee? I'll tell you going through 3255 03:45:35,520 --> 03:45:38,000 the the the parking ad hoc there I think 3256 03:45:38,000 --> 03:45:41,040 was some confusion on who is technically 3257 03:45:41,040 --> 03:45:43,120 a part of that committee and this was a 3258 03:45:43,120 --> 03:45:45,120 way to just clarify that the two council 3259 03:45:45,120 --> 03:45:46,880 members of the committee and that the 3260 03:45:46,880 --> 03:45:48,560 public will be able to have full 3261 03:45:48,560 --> 03:45:49,279 participation. 3262 03:45:49,279 --> 03:45:50,870 >> Not not to put too fine a point on it 3263 03:45:50,870 --> 03:45:50,880 » Not not to put too fine a point on it 3264 03:45:50,880 --> 03:45:53,840 but I I'm just very sensitive to the to 3265 03:45:53,840 --> 03:45:56,560 the appearance of of transparency in 3266 03:45:56,560 --> 03:46:00,080 everything that that this council does. 3267 03:46:00,080 --> 03:46:01,349 >> Agreed. And I think that's why we went 3268 03:46:01,349 --> 03:46:01,359 » Agreed. And I think that's why we went 3269 03:46:01,359 --> 03:46:03,760 down to the level of detailing what we 3270 03:46:03,760 --> 03:46:05,040 thought would be the best recommendation 3271 03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:06,560 for this this committee should it be 3272 03:46:06,560 --> 03:46:09,040 formed. 3273 03:46:09,040 --> 03:46:10,150 >> Prote. 3274 03:46:10,150 --> 03:46:10,160 » Prote. 3275 03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:12,950 >> Yes. Um thank you for your your work in 3276 03:46:12,950 --> 03:46:12,960 » Yes. Um thank you for your your work in 3277 03:46:12,960 --> 03:46:16,640 your report. Um, so I don't want to 3278 03:46:16,640 --> 03:46:18,479 point out a food truck in particular, 3279 03:46:18,479 --> 03:46:21,199 but there's something missing for one of 3280 03:46:21,199 --> 03:46:23,760 our very I would call state-of-the-art 3281 03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:26,319 food trucks, and that is somebody who 3282 03:46:26,319 --> 03:46:28,640 goes and pulls up to the baseball fields 3283 03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:30,560 and provides food for the kids and 3284 03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:33,600 parents that play. And it's on a 3285 03:46:33,600 --> 03:46:35,439 concrete. It's on an asphalt surface, 3286 03:46:35,439 --> 03:46:37,439 but it's next to a field. There's no 3287 03:46:37,439 --> 03:46:41,840 businesses around there. And it provides 3288 03:46:41,840 --> 03:46:44,560 an incredible service. and benefit for 3289 03:46:44,560 --> 03:46:46,640 the public. And so I think that's one of 3290 03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,640 the things that we could address maybe 3291 03:46:48,640 --> 03:46:50,479 as an ad hoc or something because and I 3292 03:46:50,479 --> 03:46:51,920 don't know how you deal with that but 3293 03:46:51,920 --> 03:46:53,840 maybe recreational events or something 3294 03:46:53,840 --> 03:46:56,720 like that. So um I just wanted to make a 3295 03:46:56,720 --> 03:46:58,800 question was that considered in your 3296 03:46:58,800 --> 03:46:59,760 thoughts? 3297 03:46:59,760 --> 03:47:02,309 >> Yes. So community events um are 3298 03:47:02,309 --> 03:47:02,319 » Yes. So community events um are 3299 03:47:02,319 --> 03:47:03,439 permitted through the parks and 3300 03:47:03,439 --> 03:47:05,760 recreation department and so food trucks 3301 03:47:05,760 --> 03:47:07,359 in conjunction to those events tend to 3302 03:47:07,359 --> 03:47:09,279 be permitted through that department. 3303 03:47:09,279 --> 03:47:10,800 Okay. We are currently working through a 3304 03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:12,640 little bit of a gray area of what if 3305 03:47:12,640 --> 03:47:14,560 it's not a community event but on city 3306 03:47:14,560 --> 03:47:16,080 property and determining the best path 3307 03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:17,920 to move forward with those very specific 3308 03:47:17,920 --> 03:47:18,720 cases. 3309 03:47:18,720 --> 03:47:20,389 >> Very good. That answers my question. 3310 03:47:20,389 --> 03:47:20,399 » Very good. That answers my question. 3311 03:47:20,399 --> 03:47:21,120 Thank you. 3312 03:47:21,120 --> 03:47:23,510 >> Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a 3313 03:47:23,510 --> 03:47:23,520 » Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a 3314 03:47:23,520 --> 03:47:26,640 little bit about location and uh the way 3315 03:47:26,640 --> 03:47:28,960 I believe this works is that the food 3316 03:47:28,960 --> 03:47:30,479 truck has to have permission of the 3317 03:47:30,479 --> 03:47:32,720 property owner that they're sitting on. 3318 03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:36,080 Um and we call that as a city one 3319 03:47:36,080 --> 03:47:39,120 location. In other words, um up to 7 3320 03:47:39,120 --> 03:47:41,439 days they can be in that location, but 3321 03:47:41,439 --> 03:47:43,279 if they move the truck slightly off of 3322 03:47:43,279 --> 03:47:46,399 that location physically to the maybe 3323 03:47:46,399 --> 03:47:48,560 the other end of the property, does that 3324 03:47:48,560 --> 03:47:51,680 constitute a change in location or is it 3325 03:47:51,680 --> 03:47:53,920 still as far as the city's concerning 3326 03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:55,439 one location? 3327 03:47:55,439 --> 03:47:57,429 >> In our eyes, it has just constituted as 3328 03:47:57,429 --> 03:47:57,439 » In our eyes, it has just constituted as 3329 03:47:57,439 --> 03:47:59,439 one location being within the premise. 3330 03:47:59,439 --> 03:48:01,760 um say a food truck exceeds that 7-day 3331 03:48:01,760 --> 03:48:03,120 limit and they do come in for a 3332 03:48:03,120 --> 03:48:04,640 temporary use permit. They are required 3333 03:48:04,640 --> 03:48:06,399 to provide a site plan showing the 3334 03:48:06,399 --> 03:48:09,760 location of that um food truck mostly to 3335 03:48:09,760 --> 03:48:11,760 comply with the no blocking egress or 3336 03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:13,920 the circulation. Um however, that would 3337 03:48:13,920 --> 03:48:15,680 be something to take into consideration, 3338 03:48:15,680 --> 03:48:17,510 >> right? And then the other thing too is 3339 03:48:17,510 --> 03:48:17,520 » right? And then the other thing too is 3340 03:48:17,520 --> 03:48:20,000 you know if they park their 3341 03:48:20,000 --> 03:48:21,520 vehicle right on the property line and 3342 03:48:21,520 --> 03:48:24,239 then you have the sidewalk right there. 3343 03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:27,199 Um that is there what kind of scenario 3344 03:48:27,199 --> 03:48:28,960 does the city have to regulate something 3345 03:48:28,960 --> 03:48:31,520 like that where the patrons of that 3346 03:48:31,520 --> 03:48:34,160 service truck is going to obviously be 3347 03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:36,720 uh people impacting walking on the 3348 03:48:36,720 --> 03:48:38,160 sidewalk to get around the people that 3349 03:48:38,160 --> 03:48:40,239 are waiting for you know food. How does 3350 03:48:40,239 --> 03:48:43,040 that work in regard to 3351 03:48:43,040 --> 03:48:44,630 >> that's definitely the the reason that we 3352 03:48:44,630 --> 03:48:44,640 » that's definitely the the reason that we 3353 03:48:44,640 --> 03:48:46,239 process these temporary use permits and 3354 03:48:46,239 --> 03:48:47,920 get a site plan is so that we can make 3355 03:48:47,920 --> 03:48:49,680 sure that as Piper said they're not 3356 03:48:49,680 --> 03:48:51,680 blocking an emergency access and that 3357 03:48:51,680 --> 03:48:53,279 they're not you know too close to the 3358 03:48:53,279 --> 03:48:55,520 sidewalk, they're not too close to a gas 3359 03:48:55,520 --> 03:48:58,000 dispensing 3360 03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:00,720 you know the gas valve um those kinds of 3361 03:49:00,720 --> 03:49:01,840 things. So that's what we're 3362 03:49:01,840 --> 03:49:03,760 troubleshooting for by asking for a site 3363 03:49:03,760 --> 03:49:06,000 plan. So, what it sounds to me is the 3364 03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:07,760 staff is definitely looking to have some 3365 03:49:07,760 --> 03:49:10,160 sort of a temporary uh tool, temporary 3366 03:49:10,160 --> 03:49:13,199 use permit tool to regulate and to be 3367 03:49:13,199 --> 03:49:14,880 able to handle this. And I imagine the 3368 03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:17,120 36 complaints that we've had are related 3369 03:49:17,120 --> 03:49:21,040 to location and and being close to other 3370 03:49:21,040 --> 03:49:23,199 things that they're impacting that. Is 3371 03:49:23,199 --> 03:49:25,040 that the reason for bringing this up? I 3372 03:49:25,040 --> 03:49:27,120 guess that staff would like to have more 3373 03:49:27,120 --> 03:49:28,080 clarity. 3374 03:49:28,080 --> 03:49:30,150 >> We we can assume so. I think the biggest 3375 03:49:30,150 --> 03:49:30,160 » We we can assume so. I think the biggest 3376 03:49:30,160 --> 03:49:32,880 point to consider is the um transparency 3377 03:49:32,880 --> 03:49:34,479 and the communication between both the 3378 03:49:34,479 --> 03:49:36,080 community development department, the 3379 03:49:36,080 --> 03:49:37,840 police department and food truck 3380 03:49:37,840 --> 03:49:40,239 operators and ensuring that um those 3381 03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:42,319 operational requirements are being 3382 03:49:42,319 --> 03:49:44,560 followed through on um and communicating 3383 03:49:44,560 --> 03:49:46,399 effectively in terms of what permit do I 3384 03:49:46,399 --> 03:49:48,319 need, how do I obtain this, what viable 3385 03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:50,160 sites there are for to meeting those 3386 03:49:50,160 --> 03:49:52,399 requirements and so forth. 3387 03:49:52,399 --> 03:49:54,720 So it comes down to the question I guess 3388 03:49:54,720 --> 03:49:58,080 uh you know we could go with an ad hoc 3389 03:49:58,080 --> 03:50:00,399 uh or we can actually work it within 3390 03:50:00,399 --> 03:50:01,840 council to give you direction on what to 3391 03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:03,920 do to come back for future meeting. 3392 03:50:03,920 --> 03:50:05,199 Those are basically the two things 3393 03:50:05,199 --> 03:50:05,920 tonight. 3394 03:50:05,920 --> 03:50:08,150 >> Yes. And one way to consider it is say 3395 03:50:08,150 --> 03:50:08,160 » Yes. And one way to consider it is say 3396 03:50:08,160 --> 03:50:09,920 you are prepared to make a determination 3397 03:50:09,920 --> 03:50:11,840 on how you would like staff to be move 3398 03:50:11,840 --> 03:50:13,760 forward and come back to council. Um 3399 03:50:13,760 --> 03:50:17,040 that could be first recommendation of um 3400 03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:20,000 approving the directing staff to make 3401 03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:21,920 different motions and come back. Um and 3402 03:50:21,920 --> 03:50:23,920 that ad hoc committee could be you want 3403 03:50:23,920 --> 03:50:25,359 to stew on it. You want to discuss a 3404 03:50:25,359 --> 03:50:26,319 little bit more. You want to get a 3405 03:50:26,319 --> 03:50:27,840 little bit more public and staff input 3406 03:50:27,840 --> 03:50:30,720 before then um giving staff direction. 3407 03:50:30,720 --> 03:50:33,990 >> Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments. 3408 03:50:33,990 --> 03:50:34,000 » Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments. 3409 03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:38,399 We'll talk about that later. Um Chris B. 3410 03:50:38,399 --> 03:50:42,880 Uh I have a question on um with the the 3411 03:50:42,880 --> 03:50:44,800 permission of the property owner if if a 3412 03:50:44,800 --> 03:50:46,880 property and this might be a better 3413 03:50:46,880 --> 03:50:49,760 question for for council uh legal 3414 03:50:49,760 --> 03:50:53,920 counsel. Um if a if a business has a 3415 03:50:53,920 --> 03:50:56,080 triple net lease, we'll say and they 3416 03:50:56,080 --> 03:50:58,880 control all facets of the property. Why 3417 03:50:58,880 --> 03:51:01,279 do we require the property owners 3418 03:51:01,279 --> 03:51:02,720 permission? 3419 03:51:02,720 --> 03:51:04,399 We would definitely accept some sort of 3420 03:51:04,399 --> 03:51:06,239 authorization if they showed us a lease 3421 03:51:06,239 --> 03:51:07,760 that showed this that they had the right 3422 03:51:07,760 --> 03:51:09,920 to to make those kinds of signatures. We 3423 03:51:09,920 --> 03:51:11,760 would absolutely accept. Okay. Yeah. 3424 03:51:11,760 --> 03:51:13,189 >> Thank you. 3425 03:51:13,189 --> 03:51:13,199 » Thank you. 3426 03:51:13,199 --> 03:51:14,790 >> Okay. Good. 3427 03:51:14,790 --> 03:51:14,800 » Okay. Good. 3428 03:51:14,800 --> 03:51:15,910 >> Anyone else? 3429 03:51:15,910 --> 03:51:15,920 » Anyone else? 3430 03:51:15,920 --> 03:51:18,469 >> Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll 3431 03:51:18,469 --> 03:51:18,479 » Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll 3432 03:51:18,479 --> 03:51:20,160 go ahead come up and we'll talk about 3433 03:51:20,160 --> 03:51:22,239 this item. First up, Linda. 3434 03:51:22,239 --> 03:51:23,750 >> Hi. 3435 03:51:23,750 --> 03:51:23,760 » Hi. 3436 03:51:23,760 --> 03:51:26,800 I'll be fast. Linda George, 3126 Spring 3437 03:51:26,800 --> 03:51:30,640 Street. Um, 3438 03:51:30,640 --> 03:51:34,239 food carts are not in this ordinance. 3439 03:51:34,239 --> 03:51:35,840 I came tonight. I'm actually excited 3440 03:51:35,840 --> 03:51:38,000 about this. I really believe in the food 3441 03:51:38,000 --> 03:51:40,479 vendors and the food carts because, you 3442 03:51:40,479 --> 03:51:42,160 know, I I don't want to tell anybody how 3443 03:51:42,160 --> 03:51:44,800 to make their money and um, I know some 3444 03:51:44,800 --> 03:51:47,040 of the food carts have been connected to 3445 03:51:47,040 --> 03:51:49,199 the cartel in the larger cities. The 3446 03:51:49,199 --> 03:51:51,359 benefit is is we don't have to redo 3447 03:51:51,359 --> 03:51:54,720 this. If we get LA's ordinances, 3448 03:51:54,720 --> 03:51:56,319 um, Oakland's ordinances, San 3449 03:51:56,319 --> 03:51:58,000 Francisco's ordinance on their food 3450 03:51:58,000 --> 03:52:00,960 vendors and their cards, then we can do 3451 03:52:00,960 --> 03:52:03,439 a really good foundation so that this 3452 03:52:03,439 --> 03:52:05,040 doesn't become like the short-term 3453 03:52:05,040 --> 03:52:07,359 rentals where regulation becomes a 3454 03:52:07,359 --> 03:52:10,000 problem later. So, I came simply tonight 3455 03:52:10,000 --> 03:52:12,720 to say I recommend the ad hoc committee 3456 03:52:12,720 --> 03:52:15,520 for no more than 6 months. I think 6 3457 03:52:15,520 --> 03:52:18,160 months is enough for everybody in this 3458 03:52:18,160 --> 03:52:20,479 room. and then to add food carts into 3459 03:52:20,479 --> 03:52:23,199 this and and then everybody will feel 3460 03:52:23,199 --> 03:52:25,680 that they've been heard. That's all. 3461 03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:28,070 >> Thank you. 3462 03:52:28,070 --> 03:52:28,080 » Thank you. 3463 03:52:28,080 --> 03:52:31,990 >> Welcome. 3464 03:52:32,000 --> 03:52:34,399 » Good evening, Mayor Hammond, members of 3465 03:52:34,399 --> 03:52:36,319 the council. My name is Bill Sailor. I 3466 03:52:36,319 --> 03:52:40,720 reside at 1824 Ponderosa Lane. My wife 3467 03:52:40,720 --> 03:52:43,439 and I own and operate Yaba Dogs and 3468 03:52:43,439 --> 03:52:44,960 Catering. 3469 03:52:44,960 --> 03:52:48,000 Um, I wrote all these thoughts, but I I 3470 03:52:48,000 --> 03:52:51,600 need to address some things here. 3471 03:52:51,600 --> 03:52:53,840 I'm looking at 3472 03:52:53,840 --> 03:52:56,319 what was in your packet, the staff 3473 03:52:56,319 --> 03:52:58,560 report. 3474 03:52:58,560 --> 03:53:01,840 It says temporary shade structures. 3475 03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:03,920 Temporary shade structure shall be 3476 03:53:03,920 --> 03:53:05,840 removed whenever the food truck is not 3477 03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:08,479 in operation. 3478 03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:11,120 That's not what that says up there. It 3479 03:53:11,120 --> 03:53:15,840 says no. Period. So, what you have in 3480 03:53:15,840 --> 03:53:17,840 your ordinances that were approved in 3481 03:53:17,840 --> 03:53:22,239 October of 2024 or yeah, 24 is different 3482 03:53:22,239 --> 03:53:24,000 than what we're all seeing up here right 3483 03:53:24,000 --> 03:53:25,680 now, 3484 03:53:25,680 --> 03:53:27,840 which is kind of confusing if you're the 3485 03:53:27,840 --> 03:53:32,319 food truck owner operator. Secondly, we 3486 03:53:32,319 --> 03:53:35,120 started our business in 1986. 3487 03:53:35,120 --> 03:53:37,760 We've had a city of Paso's business 3488 03:53:37,760 --> 03:53:42,880 license every year since. I have never 3489 03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:46,399 had anybody approach me and say, "Where 3490 03:53:46,399 --> 03:53:48,880 are you going to be located? 3491 03:53:48,880 --> 03:53:50,640 How many days of a week are you going to 3492 03:53:50,640 --> 03:53:54,880 be there?" The current ordinances that 3493 03:53:54,880 --> 03:53:57,680 are in place are not even being 3494 03:53:57,680 --> 03:54:00,000 enforced, 3495 03:54:00,000 --> 03:54:02,479 which I have to question. 3496 03:54:02,479 --> 03:54:09,030 I'm sorry, but I do. Um, 3497 03:54:09,040 --> 03:54:11,600 in the report it also says that staff 3498 03:54:11,600 --> 03:54:14,800 has taken steps to outreach to the 3499 03:54:14,800 --> 03:54:18,319 community of food vendors. 3500 03:54:18,319 --> 03:54:20,560 Well, the first thing I heard about food 3501 03:54:20,560 --> 03:54:22,880 truck issues and that there was going to 3502 03:54:22,880 --> 03:54:25,040 be a meeting. I received a postcard in 3503 03:54:25,040 --> 03:54:30,080 the mail on Janu July 28th. That was 3504 03:54:30,080 --> 03:54:32,560 last Monday. That was the first time I'd 3505 03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:35,359 ever heard that this was even an issue. 3506 03:54:35,359 --> 03:54:36,800 First time I heard that there was 3507 03:54:36,800 --> 03:54:39,359 actually ordinances. 3508 03:54:39,359 --> 03:54:42,160 I received a phone call on Thursday, 3509 03:54:42,160 --> 03:54:44,880 July 28th from a member of the Pasro 3510 03:54:44,880 --> 03:54:46,960 Police Department 3511 03:54:46,960 --> 03:54:49,920 telling me that I was not in compliance 3512 03:54:49,920 --> 03:54:51,920 and that I was going to have to apply 3513 03:54:51,920 --> 03:54:54,640 for a TUP, 3514 03:54:54,640 --> 03:54:57,040 temporary use permit. 3515 03:54:57,040 --> 03:55:00,080 She asked me for my email address. I 3516 03:55:00,080 --> 03:55:03,600 gave it to her. Today is August 5th. I 3517 03:55:03,600 --> 03:55:09,110 haven't received anything yet. 3518 03:55:09,120 --> 03:55:11,120 Um, 3519 03:55:11,120 --> 03:55:14,080 in the third paragraph of the analysis 3520 03:55:14,080 --> 03:55:16,880 and conclusion 3521 03:55:16,880 --> 03:55:18,399 um 3522 03:55:18,399 --> 03:55:22,150 portion of the 3523 03:55:22,160 --> 03:55:24,800 Now I got to find it. Excuse me for just 3524 03:55:24,800 --> 03:55:30,550 a second. 3525 03:55:30,560 --> 03:55:32,640 in the third paragraph of the analysis 3526 03:55:32,640 --> 03:55:36,560 and conusion uh conclusions. 3527 03:55:36,560 --> 03:55:37,910 >> Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you 3528 03:55:37,910 --> 03:55:37,920 » Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you 3529 03:55:37,920 --> 03:55:38,479 would. 3530 03:55:38,479 --> 03:55:40,070 >> Yeah, I just want to I want to point 3531 03:55:40,070 --> 03:55:40,080 » Yeah, I just want to I want to point 3532 03:55:40,080 --> 03:55:42,479 this out. Conversely, local restaurants 3533 03:55:42,479 --> 03:55:44,640 have expressed concerns about food 3534 03:55:44,640 --> 03:55:46,800 trucks undercutting their businesses 3535 03:55:46,800 --> 03:55:49,840 with lower overhead cost. 3536 03:55:49,840 --> 03:55:51,840 There's two business models here, brick 3537 03:55:51,840 --> 03:55:55,920 and mortar and food trucks. 3538 03:55:55,920 --> 03:55:58,080 You chose as a restaurant to open up 3539 03:55:58,080 --> 03:56:01,040 brick and mortar. That was your choice. 3540 03:56:01,040 --> 03:56:02,880 It was my choice to open up a food 3541 03:56:02,880 --> 03:56:05,359 truck. I didn't open it up to undercut 3542 03:56:05,359 --> 03:56:07,760 your business. I opened it up because I 3543 03:56:07,760 --> 03:56:10,640 wanted to have my own business. 3544 03:56:10,640 --> 03:56:14,800 That um I'll just let it go from there. 3545 03:56:14,800 --> 03:56:16,960 I just I think that the city council 3546 03:56:16,960 --> 03:56:19,840 needs to approve the uh going with the 3547 03:56:19,840 --> 03:56:21,040 ad hoc. 3548 03:56:21,040 --> 03:56:23,830 >> Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually 3549 03:56:23,830 --> 03:56:23,840 » Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually 3550 03:56:23,840 --> 03:56:26,560 have input from the business people. 3551 03:56:26,560 --> 03:56:28,550 >> Very good. Thank you. 3552 03:56:28,550 --> 03:56:28,560 » Very good. Thank you. 3553 03:56:28,560 --> 03:56:29,670 >> Welcome. 3554 03:56:29,670 --> 03:56:29,680 » Welcome. 3555 03:56:29,680 --> 03:56:31,590 >> Hello everybody. My name is Jerry 3556 03:56:31,590 --> 03:56:31,600 » Hello everybody. My name is Jerry 3557 03:56:31,600 --> 03:56:34,479 Torres. I'm business owner on 1463 3558 03:56:34,479 --> 03:56:37,040 Kristen Road 3559 03:56:37,040 --> 03:56:39,840 this way. Uh my concerns as well is as 3560 03:56:39,840 --> 03:56:41,760 everybody here is legally have done all 3561 03:56:41,760 --> 03:56:43,840 the food parts properly. We've noticed 3562 03:56:43,840 --> 03:56:45,920 that there's a lot that come from LA and 3563 03:56:45,920 --> 03:56:48,319 different parts and taken up a lot of 3564 03:56:48,319 --> 03:56:49,680 the business that we have. We just 3565 03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:51,439 recently opened on Spring Street and 3566 03:56:51,439 --> 03:56:53,920 down the road on 34th in Crestston as 3567 03:56:53,920 --> 03:56:56,160 well as the park on 36. They keep 3568 03:56:56,160 --> 03:56:58,720 posting up these mobile food, not 3569 03:56:58,720 --> 03:57:01,439 trucks, but carts and they're doing 3570 03:57:01,439 --> 03:57:03,120 everything. So, as the pictures that 3571 03:57:03,120 --> 03:57:04,720 were showing up there, which one are the 3572 03:57:04,720 --> 03:57:06,479 ones that are correct and the ones that 3573 03:57:06,479 --> 03:57:07,840 are not? Those are the ones that are 3574 03:57:07,840 --> 03:57:10,319 coming in and embarking a lot especially 3575 03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:12,479 in the summer and taking up a lot of the 3576 03:57:12,479 --> 03:57:14,800 business as well as where for them that 3577 03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:16,560 are doing it right following the right 3578 03:57:16,560 --> 03:57:18,160 protocols and going through the right 3579 03:57:18,160 --> 03:57:21,279 processes makes it so difficult and hard 3580 03:57:21,279 --> 03:57:23,279 for us and as well as brick and mortar 3581 03:57:23,279 --> 03:57:24,720 like the gentleman was saying there's 3582 03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:26,319 two options to do it but doing it the 3583 03:57:26,319 --> 03:57:28,399 right way whereas unfortunately they're 3584 03:57:28,399 --> 03:57:31,199 coming in and taking everything and you 3585 03:57:31,199 --> 03:57:33,520 know making it difficult for all of us 3586 03:57:33,520 --> 03:57:35,439 in regards to us going through the 3587 03:57:35,439 --> 03:57:37,439 health department working with the 3588 03:57:37,439 --> 03:57:38,560 police department. Unfortunately, 3589 03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:41,199 they're only here until 4:00 and after 3590 03:57:41,199 --> 03:57:42,880 that there's they gotten smart enough to 3591 03:57:42,880 --> 03:57:44,479 show up in all these places and taking 3592 03:57:44,479 --> 03:57:47,840 it up at Barney's at the park in 36 as 3593 03:57:47,840 --> 03:57:50,399 well as 34th and so on. They did a great 3594 03:57:50,399 --> 03:57:52,160 job with NibLick and everything on here 3595 03:57:52,160 --> 03:57:55,199 with those um fruit stands, but they've 3596 03:57:55,199 --> 03:57:56,640 realized that they're moving and what 3597 03:57:56,640 --> 03:57:58,800 we've talked to the health department. 3598 03:57:58,800 --> 03:58:00,560 They've started from Saliso going all 3599 03:58:00,560 --> 03:58:02,479 the way up and looks like we're doing a 3600 03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:04,399 great job, but it's getting to the edge. 3601 03:58:04,399 --> 03:58:06,880 They're moving into San Miguel. Um, but 3602 03:58:06,880 --> 03:58:08,239 that's what I wanted to say here. Thank 3603 03:58:08,239 --> 03:58:09,279 you for your time. 3604 03:58:09,279 --> 03:58:12,469 >> Thank you. 3605 03:58:12,479 --> 03:58:16,790 » Welcome. 3606 03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:20,000 » Uh, Edardoard Santiago, private citizen. 3607 03:58:20,000 --> 03:58:21,840 Um, first of all, I would like to thank 3608 03:58:21,840 --> 03:58:23,840 uh the council uh for giving us the 3609 03:58:23,840 --> 03:58:26,560 opportunity uh to speak. Um, I would 3610 03:58:26,560 --> 03:58:29,840 just like to uh urge uh staff to uh be 3611 03:58:29,840 --> 03:58:31,600 transparent about what these fees for 3612 03:58:31,600 --> 03:58:34,239 the permits will be used and also um 3613 03:58:34,239 --> 03:58:35,600 inquire whether there would be an 3614 03:58:35,600 --> 03:58:38,560 analysis of some sort of what um the 3615 03:58:38,560 --> 03:58:40,560 impact uh food trucks have on brick and 3616 03:58:40,560 --> 03:58:42,399 mortar and how that friction can be 3617 03:58:42,399 --> 03:58:44,000 alleviated. Thank you. 3618 03:58:44,000 --> 03:58:48,630 >> Thank you, 3619 03:58:48,640 --> 03:58:50,560 » Maria. Welcome. 3620 03:58:50,560 --> 03:58:52,469 >> Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the 3621 03:58:52,469 --> 03:58:52,479 » Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the 3622 03:58:52,479 --> 03:58:54,960 Hispanic Business Association. 3623 03:58:54,960 --> 03:58:58,640 Um, one thing I just the first time we 3624 03:58:58,640 --> 03:59:02,479 heard about this situation was um on 3625 03:59:02,479 --> 03:59:04,640 Facebook and a lot of the food trucks 3626 03:59:04,640 --> 03:59:09,439 calling us. Um, I don't feel that um the 3627 03:59:09,439 --> 03:59:12,479 HBA was giving any heads up. I wish that 3628 03:59:12,479 --> 03:59:14,319 we could have been included in the 3629 03:59:14,319 --> 03:59:17,439 community outreach. Um we get a lot of 3630 03:59:17,439 --> 03:59:20,239 um our members are calling us and asking 3631 03:59:20,239 --> 03:59:24,319 us what's going on and um we didn't we 3632 03:59:24,319 --> 03:59:26,160 just said come to the meeting tonight. 3633 03:59:26,160 --> 03:59:27,920 We posted it on our website. We post it 3634 03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:31,040 on our Facebook page and so we I would 3635 03:59:31,040 --> 03:59:32,880 like to see an ad hoc committee so we 3636 03:59:32,880 --> 03:59:35,439 can get some more of the input from from 3637 03:59:35,439 --> 03:59:37,920 our members and from the food truck that 3638 03:59:37,920 --> 03:59:39,359 are here tonight. Thank you for 3639 03:59:39,359 --> 03:59:40,160 listening. 3640 03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:47,590 >> Thank you. 3641 03:59:47,600 --> 03:59:48,080 Welcome. 3642 03:59:48,080 --> 03:59:50,150 >> Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just 3643 03:59:50,150 --> 03:59:50,160 » Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just 3644 03:59:50,160 --> 03:59:51,600 speaking in behalf of the food truck 3645 03:59:51,600 --> 03:59:54,000 vendors. Again, some of us, you know, we 3646 03:59:54,000 --> 03:59:57,359 try to again go by the rules, get our 3647 03:59:57,359 --> 03:59:59,199 business licenses, be on the partner's 3648 03:59:59,199 --> 04:00:02,720 property, and somehow like the other 3649 04:00:02,720 --> 04:00:05,279 person were saying, we were removed from 3650 04:00:05,279 --> 04:00:07,120 where we were because of certain 3651 04:00:07,120 --> 04:00:09,520 circumstances. Like here I was on a 3652 04:00:09,520 --> 04:00:11,359 singular location and somehow there's a 3653 04:00:11,359 --> 04:00:14,160 gas station. There was something with a 3654 04:00:14,160 --> 04:00:15,840 generator. So I talked to the owner 3655 04:00:15,840 --> 04:00:18,720 about getting a plugin so there be no 3656 04:00:18,720 --> 04:00:21,439 noise and still somehow the regulations 3657 04:00:21,439 --> 04:00:23,680 are very hard for some of us. So being 3658 04:00:23,680 --> 04:00:25,760 removed and there's a lot of vendors 3659 04:00:25,760 --> 04:00:27,520 they're not following you know the 3660 04:00:27,520 --> 04:00:29,840 guidelines like we are but somehow we 3661 04:00:29,840 --> 04:00:31,199 were removed. We want to know if there's 3662 04:00:31,199 --> 04:00:34,080 a way uh you guys can see more in 3663 04:00:34,080 --> 04:00:35,520 consideration of all the food truck 3664 04:00:35,520 --> 04:00:37,600 vendors trying to follow the guidelines 3665 04:00:37,600 --> 04:00:40,720 and we can somehow get places we can be 3666 04:00:40,720 --> 04:00:43,520 sitting at and you know uh be okay so 3667 04:00:43,520 --> 04:00:45,760 the city council will follow up on this 3668 04:00:45,760 --> 04:00:49,199 and give us more of an issue regarding 3669 04:00:49,199 --> 04:00:50,399 to the food truck vendors that we're 3670 04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:52,000 trying to get all the guidelines going 3671 04:00:52,000 --> 04:00:53,279 around. Thank you. 3672 04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:56,550 >> Thank you. 3673 04:00:56,560 --> 04:00:58,160 » Welcome. 3674 04:00:58,160 --> 04:01:00,630 >> Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna 3675 04:01:00,630 --> 04:01:00,640 » Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna 3676 04:01:00,640 --> 04:01:02,479 Rodriguez. I am the owner of a 3677 04:01:02,479 --> 04:01:05,680 restaurant at 1214 Pine Street in Paso. 3678 04:01:05,680 --> 04:01:08,720 Um, we have proudly been serving the 3679 04:01:08,720 --> 04:01:11,520 community for 27 years myself for the 3680 04:01:11,520 --> 04:01:13,840 past four years. So, I'm newer to the 3681 04:01:13,840 --> 04:01:16,560 scene and to the existing competition 3682 04:01:16,560 --> 04:01:18,960 between brick and mortar restaurants, 3683 04:01:18,960 --> 04:01:21,520 um, park events, community events, the 3684 04:01:21,520 --> 04:01:25,040 fair, being a rob, all of the movings 3685 04:01:25,040 --> 04:01:27,840 and goings of the, um, of the community. 3686 04:01:27,840 --> 04:01:32,000 Um but I am very watchful and open to 3687 04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:34,319 all perspectives of um our 3688 04:01:34,319 --> 04:01:35,920 relationships. 3689 04:01:35,920 --> 04:01:38,399 Um I 3690 04:01:38,399 --> 04:01:41,040 have been invested in creating a 3691 04:01:41,040 --> 04:01:43,520 location that um invests into the heart 3692 04:01:43,520 --> 04:01:46,399 of our city. Um it contributes jobs. It 3693 04:01:46,399 --> 04:01:48,399 contributes um to the vibrancy and 3694 04:01:48,399 --> 04:01:50,960 characters that draw locals and tourists 3695 04:01:50,960 --> 04:01:54,160 alike to our downtown corridor. Um I 3696 04:01:54,160 --> 04:01:55,680 really appreciate the initiation of this 3697 04:01:55,680 --> 04:01:57,920 conversation. I think the transparency 3698 04:01:57,920 --> 04:02:01,279 and the movement towards 3699 04:02:01,279 --> 04:02:04,720 making success, whether it's small or 3700 04:02:04,720 --> 04:02:07,520 large or medium, making success 3701 04:02:07,520 --> 04:02:10,239 accessible to every person is incredibly 3702 04:02:10,239 --> 04:02:13,680 important. Whether you have the ability 3703 04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:16,000 to fill out all of these forms digitally 3704 04:02:16,000 --> 04:02:18,319 or you're writing it down, um, 3705 04:02:18,319 --> 04:02:21,359 accessibility is in very important. So, 3706 04:02:21,359 --> 04:02:24,239 the addition of that website is great. 3707 04:02:24,239 --> 04:02:25,680 I've been googling it and looking for 3708 04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:27,040 the information for a long time and now 3709 04:02:27,040 --> 04:02:29,439 it's there. So, thank you for that step. 3710 04:02:29,439 --> 04:02:31,359 Um, 3711 04:02:31,359 --> 04:02:33,760 the brick andmortar restaurants in the 3712 04:02:33,760 --> 04:02:37,199 BIA do take on an additional substantial 3713 04:02:37,199 --> 04:02:40,479 and ongoing 50% 3714 04:02:40,479 --> 04:02:44,399 higher in um, business license fees. We 3715 04:02:44,399 --> 04:02:49,439 are part of um the assessments that fund 3716 04:02:49,439 --> 04:02:52,000 our city and infrastructure and vents. 3717 04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:54,720 Even at a state level, we are incurring 3718 04:02:54,720 --> 04:02:57,120 costs for tourism to California which 3719 04:02:57,120 --> 04:03:00,399 are benefiting everyone. So I feel like 3720 04:03:00,399 --> 04:03:03,600 it is important to have a clear um 3721 04:03:03,600 --> 04:03:07,439 regulation and conversation about where 3722 04:03:07,439 --> 04:03:10,800 food trucks can be um invited to sell. I 3723 04:03:10,800 --> 04:03:13,120 go to them. I love them. They're part of 3724 04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:17,040 me. But I also have to protect um my 3725 04:03:17,040 --> 04:03:19,920 competitive spirit in this situation. 3726 04:03:19,920 --> 04:03:22,640 Um, I highly encourage the council to 3727 04:03:22,640 --> 04:03:25,279 create an ad hoc committee to include 3728 04:03:25,279 --> 04:03:28,399 members of um, I mean, even as a 3729 04:03:28,399 --> 04:03:30,399 football mom, you know, I wouldn't 3730 04:03:30,399 --> 04:03:32,720 really want a burger truck outside of 3731 04:03:32,720 --> 04:03:37,040 the um, hound hut. I'm grand, sorry. Um, 3732 04:03:37,040 --> 04:03:38,479 out of the hound hut because we're going 3733 04:03:38,479 --> 04:03:41,279 to be competing on um, our audience of 3734 04:03:41,279 --> 04:03:42,960 who's going to be buying and supporting 3735 04:03:42,960 --> 04:03:46,399 our hounds as well. Um, so this isn't a 3736 04:03:46,399 --> 04:03:48,160 call to eliminate food trucks. I just 3737 04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:49,760 want to um make sure that we have a 3738 04:03:49,760 --> 04:03:53,120 thoughtful balance between us. Um you 3739 04:03:53,120 --> 04:03:55,120 know, brick and mortar are really 3740 04:03:55,120 --> 04:03:57,279 important downtown especially. I'm not 3741 04:03:57,279 --> 04:03:58,880 saying this is a nimi thing, not in my 3742 04:03:58,880 --> 04:04:00,880 backyard. I don't want them. But if we 3743 04:04:00,880 --> 04:04:02,800 have an absence of those locations and 3744 04:04:02,800 --> 04:04:04,800 open storefronts, that's a detriment to 3745 04:04:04,800 --> 04:04:06,960 our economy and to our city as a whole. 3746 04:04:06,960 --> 04:04:08,560 So, thank you for your time and I look 3747 04:04:08,560 --> 04:04:10,160 forward to being involved in. 3748 04:04:10,160 --> 04:04:15,269 >> Thank you, 3749 04:04:15,279 --> 04:04:17,199 » Francisco. 3750 04:04:17,199 --> 04:04:19,439 Thank you, uh, mayor and council 3751 04:04:19,439 --> 04:04:21,760 members. Francisco Ramirez, resident of 3752 04:04:21,760 --> 04:04:24,399 Paso Roles, also with the Hispanic 3753 04:04:24,399 --> 04:04:26,399 Business Association. 3754 04:04:26,399 --> 04:04:30,560 Um, so, um, like like Maria mentioned 3755 04:04:30,560 --> 04:04:34,080 earlier. Um, look at this place right 3756 04:04:34,080 --> 04:04:37,279 now. Look at the time it is right now. 3757 04:04:37,279 --> 04:04:39,920 Um, I want to ask your permission, city 3758 04:04:39,920 --> 04:04:42,880 council, if I can also translate 3759 04:04:42,880 --> 04:04:45,439 something uh to to to them, to our 3760 04:04:45,439 --> 04:04:47,279 people that's here, to our guests that 3761 04:04:47,279 --> 04:04:48,960 are Spanish speaking with your 3762 04:04:48,960 --> 04:04:51,760 permission. Um, cuz I know we all we all 3763 04:04:51,760 --> 04:04:54,479 get 3 minutes, but in translation time 3764 04:04:54,479 --> 04:04:58,479 goes by. Um, so if if it's allowed, I I 3765 04:04:58,479 --> 04:05:00,319 will do so to everyone that's here so 3766 04:05:00,319 --> 04:05:02,880 they can also understand uh what's going 3767 04:05:02,880 --> 04:05:06,080 on right now. Also, if I may, 3768 04:05:06,080 --> 04:05:08,950 >> if you prefer, go ahead, Francis. 3769 04:05:08,950 --> 04:05:08,960 » if you prefer, go ahead, Francis. 3770 04:05:08,960 --> 04:05:19,110 >> Okay. 3771 04:05:19,120 --> 04:05:31,189 foreign. 3772 04:05:31,199 --> 04:05:45,300 Soch. 3773 04:05:45,310 --> 04:06:12,950 [Music] 3774 04:06:12,960 --> 04:06:44,630 Um, 3775 04:06:44,640 --> 04:06:47,520 Okay. Um, so I I mentioned that 3776 04:06:47,520 --> 04:06:49,920 something that we all want because I 3777 04:06:49,920 --> 04:06:51,520 spoken to them like Maria said, we've 3778 04:06:51,520 --> 04:06:54,080 been getting phone calls um the last two 3779 04:06:54,080 --> 04:06:57,359 weeks about this. Um, and something that 3780 04:06:57,359 --> 04:06:59,760 they mentioned and has been brought up 3781 04:06:59,760 --> 04:07:02,319 is they 3782 04:07:02,319 --> 04:07:04,960 they want clarity. 3783 04:07:04,960 --> 04:07:08,960 They want to know what permits are 3784 04:07:08,960 --> 04:07:11,920 needed, where to go apply for the 3785 04:07:11,920 --> 04:07:16,399 permits, what can be done, and what 3786 04:07:16,399 --> 04:07:18,319 regulations are going to happen so that 3787 04:07:18,319 --> 04:07:21,040 there's less confusion. Cuz like earlier 3788 04:07:21,040 --> 04:07:23,040 they said, um, you guys started this in 3789 04:07:23,040 --> 04:07:26,479 October 2012. Uh and then again in April 3790 04:07:26,479 --> 04:07:28,800 and then enforcement started in July. 3791 04:07:28,800 --> 04:07:31,600 Some of them came to me saying, "Hey, uh 3792 04:07:31,600 --> 04:07:34,399 uh Francisco, I I got a fine that the 3793 04:07:34,399 --> 04:07:36,239 the police department came by and they 3794 04:07:36,239 --> 04:07:38,560 said I couldn't be at the parking lot. 3795 04:07:38,560 --> 04:07:40,960 I've been there. I got permission from 3796 04:07:40,960 --> 04:07:43,520 from from the owner, from the manager, 3797 04:07:43,520 --> 04:07:45,359 and then they came back and said I 3798 04:07:45,359 --> 04:07:47,120 couldn't be there doing business and 3799 04:07:47,120 --> 04:07:49,600 I've been doing it, and I got all my 3800 04:07:49,600 --> 04:07:51,680 other permits. I got my health permit. I 3801 04:07:51,680 --> 04:07:53,439 got my business permit, but they're 3802 04:07:53,439 --> 04:07:55,359 saying it's not." So they're they're 3803 04:07:55,359 --> 04:07:58,960 they're asking they they all are here 3804 04:07:58,960 --> 04:08:01,120 and they want clarity. They want to 3805 04:08:01,120 --> 04:08:04,000 continue to do business and they want 3806 04:08:04,000 --> 04:08:07,040 clarity from you guys saying where do I 3807 04:08:07,040 --> 04:08:09,279 get the permit? How do I go about and 3808 04:08:09,279 --> 04:08:11,680 what need what can we do to continue 3809 04:08:11,680 --> 04:08:14,960 doing business? Um so that's that's what 3810 04:08:14,960 --> 04:08:17,120 everybody's asking. Um some of the 3811 04:08:17,120 --> 04:08:20,319 things the points I want to um bring up 3812 04:08:20,319 --> 04:08:24,080 uh there was a issue I read um or or was 3813 04:08:24,080 --> 04:08:26,960 reported by staff about the restrooms. 3814 04:08:26,960 --> 04:08:30,560 Um restrooms uh because I I I help out 3815 04:08:30,560 --> 04:08:32,800 some restaurants also that has to do 3816 04:08:32,800 --> 04:08:36,239 with food prepping not at the location 3817 04:08:36,239 --> 04:08:38,800 where the food is being. It's just being 3818 04:08:38,800 --> 04:08:42,319 heated up and served. So that that part 3819 04:08:42,319 --> 04:08:44,720 I disagree with. uh having to need 3820 04:08:44,720 --> 04:08:47,199 restrooms at these locations where the 3821 04:08:47,199 --> 04:08:49,279 food prepping is not being done. They 3822 04:08:49,279 --> 04:08:52,960 already have a health permit to provide 3823 04:08:52,960 --> 04:08:55,359 food for their food trucks and that's 3824 04:08:55,359 --> 04:08:57,120 where it's done. It's at commissary 3825 04:08:57,120 --> 04:09:00,000 location. Um so that does not go with 3826 04:09:00,000 --> 04:09:03,920 with this uh generators. Well, uh food 3827 04:09:03,920 --> 04:09:06,960 trucks, they need electricity. They 3828 04:09:06,960 --> 04:09:08,720 can't function without electricity 3829 04:09:08,720 --> 04:09:10,800 besides just the burners and the gas for 3830 04:09:10,800 --> 04:09:13,199 the for the grills. They also need 3831 04:09:13,199 --> 04:09:16,720 electricity to work in conjunction. So, 3832 04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:19,199 um I really disagree with the part about 3833 04:09:19,199 --> 04:09:20,880 generators not being able to have it 3834 04:09:20,880 --> 04:09:23,040 because you need electricity to work a 3835 04:09:23,040 --> 04:09:26,080 mobile unit. Um 3836 04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:29,600 shade structure like like uh council uh 3837 04:09:29,600 --> 04:09:32,640 Strong said um they need shade with this 3838 04:09:32,640 --> 04:09:35,279 hot weather especially in Pasoles. It's 3839 04:09:35,279 --> 04:09:38,239 hot all the time. We need that shade to 3840 04:09:38,239 --> 04:09:41,120 be protected. Um, 3841 04:09:41,120 --> 04:09:44,399 another note, yeah, I would like to be a 3842 04:09:44,399 --> 04:09:48,080 part of the Anthog Cut uh committee uh 3843 04:09:48,080 --> 04:09:50,319 as well as other stakeholders as as 3844 04:09:50,319 --> 04:09:53,279 mentioned before. Um, you know, and find 3845 04:09:53,279 --> 04:09:55,920 out about special events cuz we do uh 3846 04:09:55,920 --> 04:09:58,960 diutos here at the Pasrobo City Park 3847 04:09:58,960 --> 04:10:01,040 that the city gives us permission to do 3848 04:10:01,040 --> 04:10:03,600 so to celebrate culture and bring in 3849 04:10:03,600 --> 04:10:06,560 food and yaba dog has always been part 3850 04:10:06,560 --> 04:10:10,720 of us there. Um, and I would like to be 3851 04:10:10,720 --> 04:10:12,399 have that, you know, specified, you 3852 04:10:12,399 --> 04:10:14,640 know, well, we got permits to bring in, 3853 04:10:14,640 --> 04:10:17,199 uh, you know, food trucks to our events. 3854 04:10:17,199 --> 04:10:20,960 Does that also go with this? Um, one 3855 04:10:20,960 --> 04:10:23,199 more thing, can we also take into 3856 04:10:23,199 --> 04:10:25,359 consideration an outreach from 3857 04:10:25,359 --> 04:10:27,359 customers? Are you just getting 3858 04:10:27,359 --> 04:10:30,080 complaints from uh, you know, certain 3859 04:10:30,080 --> 04:10:32,720 restaurant owners or businesses? Well, 3860 04:10:32,720 --> 04:10:34,160 are we getting any complaints from 3861 04:10:34,160 --> 04:10:36,800 customers? Thank you, Francis Ramirez. 3862 04:10:36,800 --> 04:10:41,110 Thank you. 3863 04:10:41,120 --> 04:10:43,199 Welcome. 3864 04:10:43,199 --> 04:10:45,670 >> Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco 3865 04:10:45,670 --> 04:10:45,680 » Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco 3866 04:10:45,680 --> 04:10:48,800 Maris Elgordo. I do have a question. We 3867 04:10:48,800 --> 04:10:50,399 already have the permit. We're not 3868 04:10:50,399 --> 04:10:52,399 against doing any type of permits that 3869 04:10:52,399 --> 04:10:55,600 is required. But if the property owner 3870 04:10:55,600 --> 04:10:57,920 is giving us a space where we can put 3871 04:10:57,920 --> 04:10:59,760 tables and we can be there and set up 3872 04:10:59,760 --> 04:11:01,680 and do whatever we need to do cuz 3873 04:11:01,680 --> 04:11:04,080 they're charging rent from us. We're not 3874 04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:06,479 just sitting there and not paying. We're 3875 04:11:06,479 --> 04:11:08,640 paying rent. We're paying electricity. 3876 04:11:08,640 --> 04:11:11,520 We're we we have to have the generators. 3877 04:11:11,520 --> 04:11:13,359 Uh we also pay for the commercial 3878 04:11:13,359 --> 04:11:17,279 kitchen that we rent in order to be uh 3879 04:11:17,279 --> 04:11:19,120 having the health department and all the 3880 04:11:19,120 --> 04:11:21,520 requirements. We don't mind doing all 3881 04:11:21,520 --> 04:11:26,239 the permits that are u needed. The only 3882 04:11:26,239 --> 04:11:28,239 thing is that what that has to do with 3883 04:11:28,239 --> 04:11:29,840 us having a table there for our 3884 04:11:29,840 --> 04:11:31,840 customers cuz they request they're like, 3885 04:11:31,840 --> 04:11:33,600 "Oh, do you need a table so we can have 3886 04:11:33,600 --> 04:11:36,000 a drink while we wait for the food? and 3887 04:11:36,000 --> 04:11:39,439 they request for shade and like it's hot 3888 04:11:39,439 --> 04:11:42,000 and uh that's the only thing that it 3889 04:11:42,000 --> 04:11:44,000 comes to me like if we're paying the 3890 04:11:44,000 --> 04:11:46,720 property owner they giving us a letter 3891 04:11:46,720 --> 04:11:48,880 they give us certain space and like 3892 04:11:48,880 --> 04:11:51,600 accommodations for us to be there why 3893 04:11:51,600 --> 04:11:55,760 can't we use the space to in order to 3894 04:11:55,760 --> 04:11:58,399 bring people to us to pay our rent cuz 3895 04:11:58,399 --> 04:12:03,120 it's not cheap $1,500 a month and that's 3896 04:12:03,120 --> 04:12:05,760 just to be there making food. We pay 3897 04:12:05,760 --> 04:12:09,760 another eight to a,000 for the uh 3898 04:12:09,760 --> 04:12:12,720 commercial kitchen. It's not cheap. And 3899 04:12:12,720 --> 04:12:15,600 to right now to run business, it's not 3900 04:12:15,600 --> 04:12:18,640 an easy like sometimes we go in park, we 3901 04:12:18,640 --> 04:12:22,160 only make $100, $150. 3902 04:12:22,160 --> 04:12:25,760 Not every day is uh productive and we 3903 04:12:25,760 --> 04:12:28,479 still have to be paying rent in order to 3904 04:12:28,479 --> 04:12:31,600 be there. That's that's my concern. And 3905 04:12:31,600 --> 04:12:34,080 if we we could do the permits, we don't 3906 04:12:34,080 --> 04:12:37,279 mind, but we need like accommodations 3907 04:12:37,279 --> 04:12:39,760 for us to in order to make the money. We 3908 04:12:39,760 --> 04:12:42,399 still pay sales tax. We still pay the 3909 04:12:42,399 --> 04:12:45,600 city permit, health department permits, 3910 04:12:45,600 --> 04:12:47,439 everything else that it comes to it. And 3911 04:12:47,439 --> 04:12:50,800 it's not cheap. It adds up. Even if us 3912 04:12:50,800 --> 04:12:53,040 having tables, canopies, and everything, 3913 04:12:53,040 --> 04:12:56,160 everything costs money. and we try to 3914 04:12:56,160 --> 04:12:58,800 accommodate people, but we need some 3915 04:12:58,800 --> 04:13:02,080 sort of uh regulations, too. Thank you. 3916 04:13:02,080 --> 04:13:07,189 >> Thank you, Karina. 3917 04:13:07,199 --> 04:13:09,520 Anyone else? 3918 04:13:09,520 --> 04:13:11,590 >> Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back 3919 04:13:11,590 --> 04:13:11,600 » Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back 3920 04:13:11,600 --> 04:13:12,720 to anyone online. 3921 04:13:12,720 --> 04:13:14,870 >> I have several callers online. Uh first 3922 04:13:14,870 --> 04:13:14,880 » I have several callers online. Uh first 3923 04:13:14,880 --> 04:13:17,359 is Jeffrey Weisinger. 3924 04:13:17,359 --> 04:13:17,680 Uh 3925 04:13:17,680 --> 04:13:20,630 >> Jeffrey, can you hear us? 3926 04:13:20,630 --> 04:13:20,640 » Jeffrey, can you hear us? 3927 04:13:20,640 --> 04:13:22,389 >> Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. 3928 04:13:22,389 --> 04:13:22,399 » Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor. 3929 04:13:22,399 --> 04:13:25,269 >> Yes. Go ahead. Um, 3930 04:13:25,269 --> 04:13:25,279 » Yes. Go ahead. Um, 3931 04:13:25,279 --> 04:13:27,199 uh, yeah. Uh, thank you. I'm sorry I 3932 04:13:27,199 --> 04:13:29,520 couldn't be there, uh, in person. I was, 3933 04:13:29,520 --> 04:13:31,439 uh, at another event supporting other 3934 04:13:31,439 --> 04:13:33,520 local businesses. And, uh, as you guys 3935 04:13:33,520 --> 04:13:36,479 have, uh, been able to see, this is a 3936 04:13:36,479 --> 04:13:39,600 important issue in our community. Uh, I 3937 04:13:39,600 --> 04:13:41,920 want to start out by advocating for 3938 04:13:41,920 --> 04:13:44,159 option three, the ad hoc committee. I 3939 04:13:44,159 --> 04:13:45,840 think this is probably one of the 3940 04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:48,319 easiest decisions that we need to make. 3941 04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:50,720 uh we're dealing with uh so many 3942 04:13:50,720 --> 04:13:52,800 people's lives, livelihoods in the 3943 04:13:52,800 --> 04:13:55,680 community uh that there is a lot more to 3944 04:13:55,680 --> 04:13:57,439 talk about than than we can even begin 3945 04:13:57,439 --> 04:13:59,840 to address at this at this meeting. So, 3946 04:13:59,840 --> 04:14:02,000 an opportunity to be able to put an ad 3947 04:14:02,000 --> 04:14:04,399 hoc committee to uh get community 3948 04:14:04,399 --> 04:14:08,159 members involved. Uh if I may speak, uh 3949 04:14:08,159 --> 04:14:10,880 as the president of the Pastor Downtown 3950 04:14:10,880 --> 04:14:12,159 Main Street Association board of 3951 04:14:12,159 --> 04:14:15,439 directors, we didn't get a chance to 3952 04:14:15,439 --> 04:14:18,000 have a discussion on this. Um, and I 3953 04:14:18,000 --> 04:14:20,159 think it's really important that the 3954 04:14:20,159 --> 04:14:22,080 main street association as a whole be 3955 04:14:22,080 --> 04:14:24,880 able to have time to uh talk amongst 3956 04:14:24,880 --> 04:14:27,120 ourselves, talk amongst our uh our 3957 04:14:27,120 --> 04:14:30,399 business uh members and the community on 3958 04:14:30,399 --> 04:14:32,800 uh how we can advocate for the main 3959 04:14:32,800 --> 04:14:34,640 street association and find out from our 3960 04:14:34,640 --> 04:14:36,080 members what their opinions and views 3961 04:14:36,080 --> 04:14:38,239 are on the food truck ordinance. Uh now 3962 04:14:38,239 --> 04:14:41,520 speaking and as a restaurant owner in in 3963 04:14:41,520 --> 04:14:44,720 downtown Paso, uh I am a food service 3964 04:14:44,720 --> 04:14:47,920 professional for over 35 years and had a 3965 04:14:47,920 --> 04:14:49,600 brick and have had a brick and mortar in 3966 04:14:49,600 --> 04:14:52,159 Paso, downtown Paso for eight years and 3967 04:14:52,159 --> 04:14:55,840 had a food service uh catering business 3968 04:14:55,840 --> 04:14:58,880 for 10 years leading up to that. So, uh, 3969 04:14:58,880 --> 04:15:00,159 I'd like to think I'm pretty well 3970 04:15:00,159 --> 04:15:03,359 verssed in the rules and regulations 3971 04:15:03,359 --> 04:15:06,159 that our county provides for food 3972 04:15:06,159 --> 04:15:08,800 service organiz uh, operations, but, uh, 3973 04:15:08,800 --> 04:15:10,880 the fact that, uh, as some of the other 3974 04:15:10,880 --> 04:15:13,600 folks have have spoken on, the current 3975 04:15:13,600 --> 04:15:16,399 ordinance is really not being enforced, 3976 04:15:16,399 --> 04:15:18,720 um, until apparently recently. But 3977 04:15:18,720 --> 04:15:20,640 recently it's been uh I guess that's 3978 04:15:20,640 --> 04:15:23,840 maybe why this came out. But uh this is 3979 04:15:23,840 --> 04:15:25,760 a really important topic to a lot of 3980 04:15:25,760 --> 04:15:28,560 people in in our community and I would 3981 04:15:28,560 --> 04:15:30,560 strongly advocate for an opportunity to 3982 04:15:30,560 --> 04:15:32,960 get an ad hoc committee together and 3983 04:15:32,960 --> 04:15:35,680 reach out to the community while leaving 3984 04:15:35,680 --> 04:15:38,080 the existing rules and regulations in 3985 04:15:38,080 --> 04:15:41,439 place. Also I might advocate for uh 3986 04:15:41,439 --> 04:15:44,880 continued enforcement. Uh the food 3987 04:15:44,880 --> 04:15:47,840 safety is extremely important to me as a 3988 04:15:47,840 --> 04:15:49,040 food service professional, as a 3989 04:15:49,040 --> 04:15:51,439 restaurant tour. And uh unfortunately, 3990 04:15:51,439 --> 04:15:53,120 we've we've heard some from from some 3991 04:15:53,120 --> 04:15:56,479 folks that uh they're not quite savvy on 3992 04:15:56,479 --> 04:15:58,159 what the rules and regulations are. And 3993 04:15:58,159 --> 04:16:00,080 I think it's extremely important in the 3994 04:16:00,080 --> 04:16:02,080 food service business to make sure that 3995 04:16:02,080 --> 04:16:04,479 you are aware of every rule and 3996 04:16:04,479 --> 04:16:08,080 regulation. And uh Pastor Robus as a 3997 04:16:08,080 --> 04:16:10,239 city council can help us out a great 3998 04:16:10,239 --> 04:16:12,000 deal by 3999 04:16:12,000 --> 04:16:14,479 setting a solid ordinance getting 4000 04:16:14,479 --> 04:16:16,720 community feedback and and moving 4001 04:16:16,720 --> 04:16:20,319 forward with uh the opportunity to uh 4002 04:16:20,319 --> 04:16:22,800 take this conversation to a deeper level 4003 04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:25,680 and and try to solve the problem to the 4004 04:16:25,680 --> 04:16:27,040 best of our abilities with more 4005 04:16:27,040 --> 04:16:28,560 community input. 4006 04:16:28,560 --> 04:16:31,429 >> All right. Thank you, Jeffrey. 4007 04:16:31,429 --> 04:16:31,439 » All right. Thank you, Jeffrey. 4008 04:16:31,439 --> 04:16:31,910 >> Thank you. 4009 04:16:31,910 --> 04:16:31,920 » Thank you. 4010 04:16:31,920 --> 04:16:34,070 >> Anyone else online? 4011 04:16:34,070 --> 04:16:34,080 » Anyone else online? 4012 04:16:34,080 --> 04:16:36,149 >> Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin. 4013 04:16:36,149 --> 04:16:36,159 » Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin. 4014 04:16:36,159 --> 04:16:39,030 >> Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you 4015 04:16:39,030 --> 04:16:39,040 » Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you 4016 04:16:39,040 --> 04:16:39,840 hear us? Go ahead. 4017 04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:43,269 >> Hi, I can again. Thank you very much. 4018 04:16:43,269 --> 04:16:43,279 » Hi, I can again. Thank you very much. 4019 04:16:43,279 --> 04:16:45,840 Um, I have a couple of questions and a 4020 04:16:45,840 --> 04:16:48,720 couple of concerns. Um, I don't have a 4021 04:16:48,720 --> 04:16:51,199 problem with food trucks, us having food 4022 04:16:51,199 --> 04:16:54,720 trucks, but I I want you to think back 4023 04:16:54,720 --> 04:16:58,399 to the short-term rental situation where 4024 04:16:58,399 --> 04:17:02,479 it was years before the city finally put 4025 04:17:02,479 --> 04:17:05,359 some rules and regulations into place to 4026 04:17:05,359 --> 04:17:08,319 limit them because the number of them 4027 04:17:08,319 --> 04:17:10,560 and where they were located and how they 4028 04:17:10,560 --> 04:17:13,040 were being run was simply out of 4029 04:17:13,040 --> 04:17:18,159 control. And if you don't get something 4030 04:17:18,159 --> 04:17:21,120 done pretty quickly about regulating 4031 04:17:21,120 --> 04:17:23,920 food trucks, that that's exactly what's 4032 04:17:23,920 --> 04:17:25,680 going to happen. We're going to have, 4033 04:17:25,680 --> 04:17:29,040 you know, 300 food trucks in every 4034 04:17:29,040 --> 04:17:32,800 vacant parking lot uh owned by someone. 4035 04:17:32,800 --> 04:17:35,279 Um they're going to be everywhere. And 4036 04:17:35,279 --> 04:17:38,319 the the part about that, not just the 4037 04:17:38,319 --> 04:17:40,880 number of them, is who's going to 4038 04:17:40,880 --> 04:17:43,359 monitor them? I've asked the question 4039 04:17:43,359 --> 04:17:46,560 before when we know that there are 4040 04:17:46,560 --> 04:17:49,439 illegal short-term rentals being run. 4041 04:17:49,439 --> 04:17:52,000 The answer is always we don't have the 4042 04:17:52,000 --> 04:17:55,120 staff to monitor that. Well, who's going 4043 04:17:55,120 --> 04:17:58,159 to monitor the food trucks? Who's going 4044 04:17:58,159 --> 04:18:00,880 to make sure that everybody's health 4045 04:18:00,880 --> 04:18:04,080 certificate is up to date? We have one 4046 04:18:04,080 --> 04:18:07,439 health inspector, as I understand it, in 4047 04:18:07,439 --> 04:18:10,800 the county who and it's just not enough. 4048 04:18:10,800 --> 04:18:14,560 So, I I absolutely advocate for an ad 4049 04:18:14,560 --> 04:18:16,399 hoc committee, but that's one of the 4050 04:18:16,399 --> 04:18:19,279 things that that ad hoc needs to be 4051 04:18:19,279 --> 04:18:22,239 paying attention to is once you get the 4052 04:18:22,239 --> 04:18:25,120 rules and regulations into place, how 4053 04:18:25,120 --> 04:18:27,040 are you going to monitor it? Who's going 4054 04:18:27,040 --> 04:18:30,159 to monitor it? When everything that 4055 04:18:30,159 --> 04:18:33,760 happens in this town is complaintdriven, 4056 04:18:33,760 --> 04:18:36,560 we are not proactive. We act on 4057 04:18:36,560 --> 04:18:38,080 complaints. 4058 04:18:38,080 --> 04:18:40,800 then you're putting the burden on people 4059 04:18:40,800 --> 04:18:43,760 to complain and try to get something 4060 04:18:43,760 --> 04:18:46,800 done. So, thank you very much. 4061 04:18:46,800 --> 04:18:51,320 >> Thank you. Anyone else on the online? 4062 04:18:51,320 --> 04:18:51,330 » Thank you. Anyone else on the online? 4063 04:18:51,330 --> 04:18:54,319 [Music] 4064 04:18:54,319 --> 04:18:58,630 >> I do have another caller, Terry Smith. 4065 04:18:58,630 --> 04:18:58,640 » I do have another caller, Terry Smith. 4066 04:18:58,640 --> 04:19:02,389 >> Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead. 4067 04:19:02,389 --> 04:19:02,399 » Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead. 4068 04:19:02,399 --> 04:19:05,349 >> Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um, 4069 04:19:05,349 --> 04:19:05,359 » Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um, 4070 04:19:05,359 --> 04:19:08,319 I agreed with the last caller, last two 4071 04:19:08,319 --> 04:19:11,279 callers. Um, everybody loves their food 4072 04:19:11,279 --> 04:19:15,920 trucks, but everybody needs to go on to 4073 04:19:15,920 --> 04:19:17,600 the California Department of Public 4074 04:19:17,600 --> 04:19:20,080 Health. All the regulations are there 4075 04:19:20,080 --> 04:19:22,159 and 4076 04:19:22,159 --> 04:19:25,439 it's changed over the last few years 4077 04:19:25,439 --> 04:19:28,800 under Gavin Newsome. Um, pretty soon 4078 04:19:28,800 --> 04:19:30,319 you're going to see not only food 4079 04:19:30,319 --> 04:19:31,920 trucks, you're going to see push carts, 4080 04:19:31,920 --> 04:19:33,840 you're going to see 4081 04:19:33,840 --> 04:19:37,120 all different kinds of things coming in. 4082 04:19:37,120 --> 04:19:41,600 And the regulations need to be strict. 4083 04:19:41,600 --> 04:19:44,800 There is a reason for a a bathroom. It's 4084 04:19:44,800 --> 04:19:46,880 not just for bathroom facilities. It's 4085 04:19:46,880 --> 04:19:49,680 for handwashing facilities. You can't 4086 04:19:49,680 --> 04:19:51,680 have a three compartment sink or a two 4087 04:19:51,680 --> 04:19:53,840 compartment sink in a trailer, but not 4088 04:19:53,840 --> 04:19:57,040 have a handwashing facility in there. 4089 04:19:57,040 --> 04:20:00,720 It's very important to follow the rules 4090 04:20:00,720 --> 04:20:03,520 and it's not going to get better, it's 4091 04:20:03,520 --> 04:20:05,520 going to get worse. And where do you 4092 04:20:05,520 --> 04:20:09,680 stop? We're going to stop at 30, 40, 60. 4093 04:20:09,680 --> 04:20:11,520 There's a reason for the for the rules 4094 04:20:11,520 --> 04:20:13,439 and everybody needs to follow them. And 4095 04:20:13,439 --> 04:20:17,760 thank you KPRO for bringing this up. 4096 04:20:17,760 --> 04:20:20,080 It's very important. Thank you. 4097 04:20:20,080 --> 04:20:24,309 >> Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online? 4098 04:20:24,309 --> 04:20:24,319 » Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online? 4099 04:20:24,319 --> 04:20:25,110 >> No, sir. 4100 04:20:25,110 --> 04:20:25,120 » No, sir. 4101 04:20:25,120 --> 04:20:27,990 >> Okay. Now we'll open the public one more 4102 04:20:27,990 --> 04:20:28,000 » Okay. Now we'll open the public one more 4103 04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:29,840 time for in-house. 4104 04:20:29,840 --> 04:20:30,389 >> Okay. 4105 04:20:30,389 --> 04:20:30,399 » Okay. 4106 04:20:30,399 --> 04:20:31,990 >> Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the 4107 04:20:31,990 --> 04:20:32,000 » Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the 4108 04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:34,319 Guacamole Mexican food. I just want to 4109 04:20:34,319 --> 04:20:36,239 thank everybody who took the time to be 4110 04:20:36,239 --> 04:20:38,800 in here because, you know, it's so hard 4111 04:20:38,800 --> 04:20:41,120 right now with this time uh having a 4112 04:20:41,120 --> 04:20:43,520 business. And then with all all of these 4113 04:20:43,520 --> 04:20:45,600 regulations, we understand and then we 4114 04:20:45,600 --> 04:20:47,920 agree. We want to do everything right. 4115 04:20:47,920 --> 04:20:50,159 Um I have been going with the with the 4116 04:20:50,159 --> 04:20:51,439 city department. I want to make sure 4117 04:20:51,439 --> 04:20:53,040 that we're doing every single thing that 4118 04:20:53,040 --> 04:20:56,159 we can. But you know what? Every day is 4119 04:20:56,159 --> 04:20:57,120 different. There's a lot of 4120 04:20:57,120 --> 04:20:58,800 contradictions. We just want to make 4121 04:20:58,800 --> 04:21:01,120 sure that we're following the rules. 4122 04:21:01,120 --> 04:21:03,120 Just let us know what we need because 4123 04:21:03,120 --> 04:21:06,000 I'm pretty sure every single person 4124 04:21:06,000 --> 04:21:09,199 here, we want to do right. We want to do 4125 04:21:09,199 --> 04:21:11,840 everything right because each day is 4126 04:21:11,840 --> 04:21:13,359 something different. We receive a phone 4127 04:21:13,359 --> 04:21:15,199 call. Oh, now you need this. Now you 4128 04:21:15,199 --> 04:21:18,880 need that. So I'm here uh speaking in 4129 04:21:18,880 --> 04:21:22,159 behalf of my my u you know all of the 4130 04:21:22,159 --> 04:21:26,399 food persons um because we want to be 4131 04:21:26,399 --> 04:21:29,760 equal to to have the opportunities and 4132 04:21:29,760 --> 04:21:33,279 then I also I'm just requesting 4133 04:21:33,279 --> 04:21:36,000 have everything you know on paper you 4134 04:21:36,000 --> 04:21:38,239 need this you need that and then also be 4135 04:21:38,239 --> 04:21:41,680 fair you know as my my my people is 4136 04:21:41,680 --> 04:21:44,159 telling we need seats for people that 4137 04:21:44,159 --> 04:21:46,239 they want to just wait for their food 4138 04:21:46,239 --> 04:21:48,319 and then outside is so hot. We just need 4139 04:21:48,319 --> 04:21:50,239 like some tents or something just for 4140 04:21:50,239 --> 04:21:52,720 for them to to not be on the heat 4141 04:21:52,720 --> 04:21:54,479 because a lot of people they go just go 4142 04:21:54,479 --> 04:21:56,720 walking. They they don't have a cars, 4143 04:21:56,720 --> 04:21:58,640 you know. We just want to make sure that 4144 04:21:58,640 --> 04:22:01,040 we want to do the best service for them. 4145 04:22:01,040 --> 04:22:03,199 And then also 4146 04:22:03,199 --> 04:22:05,120 um we don't want to steal anybody's 4147 04:22:05,120 --> 04:22:06,479 business from the restaurants or 4148 04:22:06,479 --> 04:22:09,760 nothing. Each one is has the different 4149 04:22:09,760 --> 04:22:12,960 um um like services. If if I go to a 4150 04:22:12,960 --> 04:22:14,239 restaurant, it's because I want to sit 4151 04:22:14,239 --> 04:22:16,319 down and eat, have a good time, but 4152 04:22:16,319 --> 04:22:18,000 there's a lot of people there in the go 4153 04:22:18,000 --> 04:22:19,600 like really quick and they don't have 4154 04:22:19,600 --> 04:22:22,479 time to be sitting down in a restaurant. 4155 04:22:22,479 --> 04:22:24,399 So, we just want to be, you know, part 4156 04:22:24,399 --> 04:22:27,359 of the a community and then like serve 4157 04:22:27,359 --> 04:22:29,040 and then we don't want to steal nobody's 4158 04:22:29,040 --> 04:22:32,479 nobody's job. We just want to here to um 4159 04:22:32,479 --> 04:22:35,359 to support and then also we pay taxes. 4160 04:22:35,359 --> 04:22:37,760 We pay every single thing as a 4161 04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:41,199 restaurant. Um we just you know we need 4162 04:22:41,199 --> 04:22:44,560 um we're serving different things and 4163 04:22:44,560 --> 04:22:49,279 then as you know we just need um 4164 04:22:49,279 --> 04:22:50,960 everything to be clear. We can follow 4165 04:22:50,960 --> 04:22:52,800 the rules and then we can all be on the 4166 04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:55,040 same page and then believe me we all pay 4167 04:22:55,040 --> 04:22:58,159 rent. We all pay the every single thing 4168 04:22:58,159 --> 04:23:01,199 as a restaurant do. So, if you can just 4169 04:23:01,199 --> 04:23:05,279 please let us work, we can be, you know, 4170 04:23:05,279 --> 04:23:07,359 all on the same page. And thank you so 4171 04:23:07,359 --> 04:23:08,800 much for everything who came. 4172 04:23:08,800 --> 04:23:10,710 >> Thank you. 4173 04:23:10,710 --> 04:23:10,720 » Thank you. 4174 04:23:10,720 --> 04:23:13,990 >> All right. Anyone else? One more time. 4175 04:23:13,990 --> 04:23:14,000 » All right. Anyone else? One more time. 4176 04:23:14,000 --> 04:23:22,229 Oh, please. 4177 04:23:22,239 --> 04:23:24,319 Welcome. 4178 04:23:24,319 --> 04:23:27,439 Hi, my name is Luis Diaz and I own the 4179 04:23:27,439 --> 04:23:31,520 Mexican Futra Wenos and thank you for 4180 04:23:31,520 --> 04:23:34,319 everybody here tonight. But we 4181 04:23:34,319 --> 04:23:36,880 understand all the new roots coming up 4182 04:23:36,880 --> 04:23:39,680 you guys want to put in. But we would 4183 04:23:39,680 --> 04:23:43,199 like to see is anyway before 4184 04:23:43,199 --> 04:23:46,239 start a new rules or whatever lets 4185 04:23:46,239 --> 04:23:48,800 working with us uh with you know before 4186 04:23:48,800 --> 04:23:50,720 you start putting list. So let us 4187 04:23:50,720 --> 04:23:54,080 working right now the way it was before 4188 04:23:54,080 --> 04:23:58,080 because they hurt our business and also 4189 04:23:58,080 --> 04:24:00,479 if you guys put a new rules I would like 4190 04:24:00,479 --> 04:24:04,239 to see uh to tell the police or anybody 4191 04:24:04,239 --> 04:24:06,880 because after 5:00 4192 04:24:06,880 --> 04:24:08,720 whatever you call the police and you 4193 04:24:08,720 --> 04:24:10,800 tell hey I got this and this and they go 4194 04:24:10,800 --> 04:24:12,319 and they don't know what they don't know 4195 04:24:12,319 --> 04:24:16,000 any rules. So the only rules is the 4196 04:24:16,000 --> 04:24:18,080 people work in the morning 8 to 4 and 4197 04:24:18,080 --> 04:24:20,800 after 4:00 they don't know and they go 4198 04:24:20,800 --> 04:24:22,720 home and well I don't know and they 4199 04:24:22,720 --> 04:24:24,880 don't do anything. So and they want you 4200 04:24:24,880 --> 04:24:26,800 guys going to do fair so do fair for 4201 04:24:26,800 --> 04:24:28,560 everybody. 4202 04:24:28,560 --> 04:24:29,990 >> Okay. Thank you. 4203 04:24:29,990 --> 04:24:30,000 » Okay. Thank you. 4204 04:24:30,000 --> 04:24:32,229 >> Thank you. 4205 04:24:32,229 --> 04:24:32,239 » Thank you. 4206 04:24:32,239 --> 04:24:32,710 >> All right. 4207 04:24:32,710 --> 04:24:32,720 » All right. 4208 04:24:32,720 --> 04:24:33,429 >> Mayor Hammond. 4209 04:24:33,429 --> 04:24:33,439 » Mayor Hammond. 4210 04:24:33,439 --> 04:24:33,830 >> Yes. 4211 04:24:33,830 --> 04:24:33,840 » Yes. 4212 04:24:33,840 --> 04:24:35,349 >> I have another caller. 4213 04:24:35,349 --> 04:24:35,359 » I have another caller. 4214 04:24:35,359 --> 04:24:37,030 >> Okay. One more. 4215 04:24:37,030 --> 04:24:37,040 » Okay. One more. 4216 04:24:37,040 --> 04:24:38,309 >> Anna Mendes. 4217 04:24:38,309 --> 04:24:38,319 » Anna Mendes. 4218 04:24:38,319 --> 04:24:39,590 >> Ann 4219 04:24:39,590 --> 04:24:39,600 » Ann 4220 04:24:39,600 --> 04:24:40,149 >> Anna. 4221 04:24:40,149 --> 04:24:40,159 » Anna. 4222 04:24:40,159 --> 04:24:42,870 >> Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on 4223 04:24:42,870 --> 04:24:42,880 » Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on 4224 04:24:42,880 --> 04:24:45,920 one second. 4225 04:24:45,920 --> 04:24:47,279 There you go. 4226 04:24:47,279 --> 04:24:50,229 >> Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of 4227 04:24:50,229 --> 04:24:50,239 » Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of 4228 04:24:50,239 --> 04:24:53,359 all the opportunity for us as a business 4229 04:24:53,359 --> 04:24:56,640 owners uh to bring this topic up to us. 4230 04:24:56,640 --> 04:24:58,640 But I think it's very necessary. First 4231 04:24:58,640 --> 04:25:00,960 of all, um I heard in the beginning of 4232 04:25:00,960 --> 04:25:02,800 the conversation there were being some 4233 04:25:02,800 --> 04:25:05,439 complaints in regards of um how we 4234 04:25:05,439 --> 04:25:08,319 operate around the city. But uh if you 4235 04:25:08,319 --> 04:25:10,640 guys don't bring out those specific 4236 04:25:10,640 --> 04:25:13,040 complaints, how we all going to be aware 4237 04:25:13,040 --> 04:25:15,760 of that so we don't continue making 4238 04:25:15,760 --> 04:25:18,880 those um mistakes 4239 04:25:18,880 --> 04:25:21,600 for the future. Not just to bring it up 4240 04:25:21,600 --> 04:25:24,319 directly to the vendor when it's, you 4241 04:25:24,319 --> 04:25:26,640 know, the complaint it's for, but also 4242 04:25:26,640 --> 04:25:30,159 to let everybody know. 4243 04:25:30,159 --> 04:25:33,359 Um, in regards I heard u somebody saying 4244 04:25:33,359 --> 04:25:37,199 too that restrooms are not specifically 4245 04:25:37,199 --> 04:25:41,680 for um the 4246 04:25:41,680 --> 04:25:45,040 gosh for the uh customers but it's 4247 04:25:45,040 --> 04:25:47,840 always necessary too for employees. Um, 4248 04:25:47,840 --> 04:25:51,520 I really highly recommend everybody to 4249 04:25:51,520 --> 04:25:53,600 go back and look into the requirements 4250 04:25:53,600 --> 04:25:56,159 for the food truck in order to be in 4251 04:25:56,159 --> 04:25:58,080 compliance with all the requirements 4252 04:25:58,080 --> 04:26:03,590 that the city has. 4253 04:26:03,600 --> 04:26:07,600 » Okay. Is that your comment? 4254 04:26:07,600 --> 04:26:08,149 >> Yes. 4255 04:26:08,149 --> 04:26:08,159 » Yes. 4256 04:26:08,159 --> 04:26:10,630 >> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. 4257 04:26:10,630 --> 04:26:10,640 » Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. 4258 04:26:10,640 --> 04:26:13,189 >> Thank you. Okay. 4259 04:26:13,189 --> 04:26:13,199 » Thank you. Okay. 4260 04:26:13,199 --> 04:26:15,349 >> All right. Uh, any more? One more time, 4261 04:26:15,349 --> 04:26:15,359 » All right. Uh, any more? One more time, 4262 04:26:15,359 --> 04:26:17,600 Melissa, and we'll close it. 4263 04:26:17,600 --> 04:26:18,399 No. 4264 04:26:18,399 --> 04:26:20,630 >> Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back 4265 04:26:20,630 --> 04:26:20,640 » Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back 4266 04:26:20,640 --> 04:26:23,359 then to council then for discussion 4267 04:26:23,359 --> 04:26:27,359 here. Um heard a lot of testimony. I 4268 04:26:27,359 --> 04:26:28,640 think uh who would like to start off 4269 04:26:28,640 --> 04:26:31,120 with? Councilman Gregory. 4270 04:26:31,120 --> 04:26:32,389 >> First of all, I'd like to thank 4271 04:26:32,389 --> 04:26:32,399 » First of all, I'd like to thank 4272 04:26:32,399 --> 04:26:35,439 everybody for being here to help our uh 4273 04:26:35,439 --> 04:26:37,040 job get a little easier by working 4274 04:26:37,040 --> 04:26:41,520 together. So, um one of the things um I 4275 04:26:41,520 --> 04:26:43,359 think the ad hoc's a really good idea, 4276 04:26:43,359 --> 04:26:45,199 but I want to describe the ad hoc a 4277 04:26:45,199 --> 04:26:47,199 little bit. I think it's okay to have a 4278 04:26:47,199 --> 04:26:49,120 couple councilmen on it, but I think we 4279 04:26:49,120 --> 04:26:50,720 should have brick and mortar like 4280 04:26:50,720 --> 04:26:53,840 Jeffrey and Anna and several uh truck 4281 04:26:53,840 --> 04:26:56,560 owners like Mr. Sailor and that 4282 04:26:56,560 --> 04:26:58,239 gentleman right there. I don't know your 4283 04:26:58,239 --> 04:27:00,800 name. Sorry, but and Francisco. But I 4284 04:27:00,800 --> 04:27:03,040 think we need to get into a room with a 4285 04:27:03,040 --> 04:27:04,720 couple of our staff helping us write 4286 04:27:04,720 --> 04:27:07,439 things down where the issues are. And I 4287 04:27:07,439 --> 04:27:09,520 think we get to a conclusion pretty 4288 04:27:09,520 --> 04:27:12,560 easily. But I want to make sure whatever 4289 04:27:12,560 --> 04:27:14,720 we do, we allow the people to operate 4290 04:27:14,720 --> 04:27:17,040 that have permits currently so we don't 4291 04:27:17,040 --> 04:27:19,760 stop their progress because you have, 4292 04:27:19,760 --> 04:27:21,520 you know, we want to keep it going, but 4293 04:27:21,520 --> 04:27:23,199 at the same time, we'll work on getting 4294 04:27:23,199 --> 04:27:26,319 it better so everybody has clarity. And 4295 04:27:26,319 --> 04:27:27,760 it's really important that we have that 4296 04:27:27,760 --> 04:27:29,760 clarity because everybody can follow the 4297 04:27:29,760 --> 04:27:31,840 rules if everybody knows the rules and 4298 04:27:31,840 --> 04:27:34,800 it helps everybody from the city staff 4299 04:27:34,800 --> 04:27:38,159 to us up here and to the people who are 4300 04:27:38,159 --> 04:27:39,680 your customers. You know, everybody 4301 04:27:39,680 --> 04:27:41,359 wants to know it's a good place to eat, 4302 04:27:41,359 --> 04:27:45,359 it's safe place to eat. And um I like 4303 04:27:45,359 --> 04:27:47,680 Anna said a very nice comment in that 4304 04:27:47,680 --> 04:27:50,159 it's good for everybody. Let's just make 4305 04:27:50,159 --> 04:27:52,800 it work. So the boundaries are protected 4306 04:27:52,800 --> 04:27:54,479 for everybody, both the food trucks and 4307 04:27:54,479 --> 04:27:56,800 the brick and mortar and everybody's 4308 04:27:56,800 --> 04:27:58,960 communicating well together and figuring 4309 04:27:58,960 --> 04:28:02,479 it out. This is our town and you're our 4310 04:28:02,479 --> 04:28:03,920 friends and we're going to make it work 4311 04:28:03,920 --> 04:28:05,760 and the best way to do it is through ad 4312 04:28:05,760 --> 04:28:08,159 hoc. So, 4313 04:28:08,159 --> 04:28:09,990 >> Chris B. 4314 04:28:09,990 --> 04:28:10,000 » Chris B. 4315 04:28:10,000 --> 04:28:11,750 >> Thank you. Well said, Council Member 4316 04:28:11,750 --> 04:28:11,760 » Thank you. Well said, Council Member 4317 04:28:11,760 --> 04:28:14,560 Gregory. Um, thank you for everybody who 4318 04:28:14,560 --> 04:28:18,399 has been here um tonight, who's reached 4319 04:28:18,399 --> 04:28:20,960 out to talk about this. Um, we 4320 04:28:20,960 --> 04:28:22,399 appreciate your comments. We appreciate 4321 04:28:22,399 --> 04:28:24,960 your thoughts. We appreciate um the 4322 04:28:24,960 --> 04:28:26,319 difficulties that you go through, 4323 04:28:26,319 --> 04:28:27,920 whether you're a brick and mortar 4324 04:28:27,920 --> 04:28:30,960 business, whether you are a food truck, 4325 04:28:30,960 --> 04:28:33,840 uh whatever kind. It's not easy to be in 4326 04:28:33,840 --> 04:28:36,960 business in California or past robos. We 4327 04:28:36,960 --> 04:28:40,399 get it. Um I heard something new 4328 04:28:40,399 --> 04:28:43,520 tonight. Um I I knew we had two 4329 04:28:43,520 --> 04:28:44,800 different business models that I 4330 04:28:44,800 --> 04:28:46,479 appreciate. We have brick and mortar 4331 04:28:46,479 --> 04:28:49,439 that I absolutely love to go to. Uh but 4332 04:28:49,439 --> 04:28:52,800 I also enjoy our food trucks. Different 4333 04:28:52,800 --> 04:28:55,439 occasions. They're they're not they 4334 04:28:55,439 --> 04:28:57,840 serve two different needs that I have 4335 04:28:57,840 --> 04:29:00,239 and I appreciate that. Sometimes I need 4336 04:29:00,239 --> 04:29:03,120 to go sit down at a restaurant during 4337 04:29:03,120 --> 04:29:04,640 lunch with a client. Sometimes I want to 4338 04:29:04,640 --> 04:29:06,560 take my wife out to a nice dinner. 4339 04:29:06,560 --> 04:29:08,479 Sometimes I just want to go to a ball 4340 04:29:08,479 --> 04:29:11,760 game and and have a hot dog. Um those 4341 04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:16,239 are all good events. um the interlopers 4342 04:29:16,239 --> 04:29:18,000 that are coming in from out of town. And 4343 04:29:18,000 --> 04:29:20,319 I think that speaks to the heart of of 4344 04:29:20,319 --> 04:29:22,560 one of the critical issues that we we're 4345 04:29:22,560 --> 04:29:25,279 we really need our uh ad hoc committee 4346 04:29:25,279 --> 04:29:28,319 to to focus on and and that's the the 4347 04:29:28,319 --> 04:29:33,279 enforcement. Um I don't think it's it's 4348 04:29:33,279 --> 04:29:36,880 um it's it's fair or wise to put all the 4349 04:29:36,880 --> 04:29:39,520 blame on one uh entity, our police 4350 04:29:39,520 --> 04:29:43,920 department. uh we have uh need to 4351 04:29:43,920 --> 04:29:45,760 reconcile some of the contradictions 4352 04:29:45,760 --> 04:29:47,520 that are within our own code. I think 4353 04:29:47,520 --> 04:29:49,840 staff is well aware of that. I think 4354 04:29:49,840 --> 04:29:53,920 that is something the uh uh ad hoc 4355 04:29:53,920 --> 04:29:56,560 committee can can help with. U I would 4356 04:29:56,560 --> 04:29:58,960 hope that it would like council member 4357 04:29:58,960 --> 04:30:03,359 Gregory suggested it be not just limited 4358 04:30:03,359 --> 04:30:05,600 to city council but also from a 4359 04:30:05,600 --> 04:30:08,560 cross-section across our community. 4360 04:30:08,560 --> 04:30:10,640 um 4361 04:30:10,640 --> 04:30:13,920 the the issues that need to come back. 4362 04:30:13,920 --> 04:30:16,479 I'm not sure if ad hoc does this or if 4363 04:30:16,479 --> 04:30:20,159 ad hoc recommends this to to staff, but 4364 04:30:20,159 --> 04:30:23,680 bathrooms, shade structures, generators, 4365 04:30:23,680 --> 04:30:28,479 um you know, where uh how how does a 4366 04:30:28,479 --> 04:30:30,720 commissary come into play, especially 4367 04:30:30,720 --> 04:30:32,560 for out of town people? Obviously, they 4368 04:30:32,560 --> 04:30:34,239 don't have a commissary here locally. 4369 04:30:34,239 --> 04:30:36,880 Where is their food being prepared? Why 4370 04:30:36,880 --> 04:30:38,640 isn't the health department regulating 4371 04:30:38,640 --> 04:30:40,800 those guys? Uh how do we work better 4372 04:30:40,800 --> 04:30:42,319 with the county to make sure that this 4373 04:30:42,319 --> 04:30:45,920 gets enforced? We need a a kind of a a 4374 04:30:45,920 --> 04:30:47,920 cross-sectional team. It seems like 4375 04:30:47,920 --> 04:30:49,199 going forth. Not going to happen 4376 04:30:49,199 --> 04:30:52,640 overnight. Um I do think we need to 4377 04:30:52,640 --> 04:30:55,760 support our local residents. Uh we need 4378 04:30:55,760 --> 04:30:58,239 to figure out how best to do that. We 4379 04:30:58,239 --> 04:31:00,880 need help doing that. and I look forward 4380 04:31:00,880 --> 04:31:02,880 to working uh with each of you, whether 4381 04:31:02,880 --> 04:31:04,720 you're brick or and mortar, whether 4382 04:31:04,720 --> 04:31:06,720 you're a food truck, uh whether you're 4383 04:31:06,720 --> 04:31:08,159 just a resident that likes to go out and 4384 04:31:08,159 --> 04:31:10,479 eat and enjoy good food. So, thank you 4385 04:31:10,479 --> 04:31:11,840 very much, 4386 04:31:11,840 --> 04:31:12,790 >> Councilman Strong. 4387 04:31:12,790 --> 04:31:12,800 » Councilman Strong. 4388 04:31:12,800 --> 04:31:14,149 >> Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want 4389 04:31:14,149 --> 04:31:14,159 » Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want 4390 04:31:14,159 --> 04:31:16,399 us to be clear, we're talking about an 4391 04:31:16,399 --> 04:31:18,159 ad hoc committee. Remember what our city 4392 04:31:18,159 --> 04:31:20,479 manager and what our attorney has said, 4393 04:31:20,479 --> 04:31:22,239 that is two members of the council. 4394 04:31:22,239 --> 04:31:24,800 Period. If we include members of the 4395 04:31:24,800 --> 04:31:27,120 public in that committee, it becomes a 4396 04:31:27,120 --> 04:31:29,840 Brown Act standing committee and goes on 4397 04:31:29,840 --> 04:31:33,120 forever. So, if we're going to do this, 4398 04:31:33,120 --> 04:31:34,560 we can have it with two members of the 4399 04:31:34,560 --> 04:31:36,640 council as the committee. We can still 4400 04:31:36,640 --> 04:31:38,239 invite all of the people we've talked 4401 04:31:38,239 --> 04:31:40,319 about to please be at that meeting that 4402 04:31:40,319 --> 04:31:43,199 they hold and have their input so those 4403 04:31:43,199 --> 04:31:45,680 two members can get all that input that 4404 04:31:45,680 --> 04:31:48,720 you're looking for. And that would mean 4405 04:31:48,720 --> 04:31:50,239 that as many people who are interested 4406 04:31:50,239 --> 04:31:52,640 in that as possible and maybe you have 4407 04:31:52,640 --> 04:31:54,640 to translate this to Spanish so they all 4408 04:31:54,640 --> 04:31:57,680 understand make sure that we have the 4409 04:31:57,680 --> 04:32:00,159 names and address of those who want to 4410 04:32:00,159 --> 04:32:02,640 participate in that decision-m 4411 04:32:02,640 --> 04:32:04,479 so that we can notify them of when the 4412 04:32:04,479 --> 04:32:07,279 meeting is and have that and then have 4413 04:32:07,279 --> 04:32:09,279 that happen and perhaps you want to 4414 04:32:09,279 --> 04:32:12,159 translate to that to them. Please if you 4415 04:32:12,159 --> 04:32:14,000 may allow that Mr. 4416 04:32:14,000 --> 04:32:15,429 >> Mayor 4417 04:32:15,429 --> 04:32:15,439 » Mayor 4418 04:32:15,439 --> 04:32:18,149 >> let's finish our discussion. Um, 4419 04:32:18,149 --> 04:32:18,159 » let's finish our discussion. Um, 4420 04:32:18,159 --> 04:32:20,070 >> let us finish and then we'll have 4421 04:32:20,070 --> 04:32:20,080 » let us finish and then we'll have 4422 04:32:20,080 --> 04:32:21,269 >> Yeah, let let's hang on. 4423 04:32:21,269 --> 04:32:21,279 » Yeah, let let's hang on. 4424 04:32:21,279 --> 04:32:22,630 >> Well, we should still have the names and 4425 04:32:22,630 --> 04:32:22,640 » Well, we should still have the names and 4426 04:32:22,640 --> 04:32:24,080 addresses. Just some contact 4427 04:32:24,080 --> 04:32:24,560 information. 4428 04:32:24,560 --> 04:32:26,389 >> Well, we haven't made a decision yet. 4429 04:32:26,389 --> 04:32:26,399 » Well, we haven't made a decision yet. 4430 04:32:26,399 --> 04:32:28,149 >> Yeah. What we're doing on that yet, 4431 04:32:28,149 --> 04:32:28,159 » Yeah. What we're doing on that yet, 4432 04:32:28,159 --> 04:32:28,880 Fred, but 4433 04:32:28,880 --> 04:32:29,349 >> All right. 4434 04:32:29,349 --> 04:32:29,359 » All right. 4435 04:32:29,359 --> 04:32:31,910 >> Yeah. Council member, 4436 04:32:31,910 --> 04:32:31,920 » Yeah. Council member, 4437 04:32:31,920 --> 04:32:33,830 >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I 4438 04:32:33,830 --> 04:32:33,840 » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I 4439 04:32:33,840 --> 04:32:35,840 just want to thank everybody for coming 4440 04:32:35,840 --> 04:32:38,080 tonight. I know for some of you, this is 4441 04:32:38,080 --> 04:32:40,479 probably the first city council meeting 4442 04:32:40,479 --> 04:32:43,600 that you've ever attended. And uh I know 4443 04:32:43,600 --> 04:32:45,040 for me, I've been having a lot of these 4444 04:32:45,040 --> 04:32:46,960 conversations, but even in this short 4445 04:32:46,960 --> 04:32:49,680 amount of time, I learned quite a bit. I 4446 04:32:49,680 --> 04:32:51,120 think other people learned a few things 4447 04:32:51,120 --> 04:32:53,680 that we didn't know before. And I think 4448 04:32:53,680 --> 04:32:56,080 that's informative how much better this 4449 04:32:56,080 --> 04:32:59,520 process would have been if we had gotten 4450 04:32:59,520 --> 04:33:01,439 h been able to have this conversation a 4451 04:33:01,439 --> 04:33:02,880 few months ago. That would have informed 4452 04:33:02,880 --> 04:33:05,439 how it rolled out, the information, any 4453 04:33:05,439 --> 04:33:08,320 contradictions that we might have seen. 4454 04:33:08,320 --> 04:33:10,480 Um, 4455 04:33:10,480 --> 04:33:12,080 you know, Bill's comments at the 4456 04:33:12,080 --> 04:33:14,799 beginning were very smart and actually 4457 04:33:14,799 --> 04:33:16,240 consistent with what I had heard from 4458 04:33:16,240 --> 04:33:18,639 other people. You know, we we paid our 4459 04:33:18,639 --> 04:33:20,160 business license and then like a week 4460 04:33:20,160 --> 04:33:22,480 later we got a phone call saying that we 4461 04:33:22,480 --> 04:33:25,119 needed to a different kind of permit. 4462 04:33:25,119 --> 04:33:26,799 You know, I I heard this over and over 4463 04:33:26,799 --> 04:33:30,320 and over and kind of the the conflicting 4464 04:33:30,320 --> 04:33:32,719 information between the website and the 4465 04:33:32,719 --> 04:33:35,359 code. Um, which is not easy. I mean, 4466 04:33:35,359 --> 04:33:36,959 what you heard are people that want to 4467 04:33:36,959 --> 04:33:38,561 follow the rules. They want to do the 4468 04:33:38,561 --> 04:33:41,600 right thing. They in good faith think 4469 04:33:41,600 --> 04:33:43,279 they're doing all of the right thing 4470 04:33:43,279 --> 04:33:45,279 only to get a call that says, "Uh, not 4471 04:33:45,279 --> 04:33:48,080 quite." And I know this is a little 4472 04:33:48,080 --> 04:33:49,600 hiccup. I know there was a lot going on 4473 04:33:49,600 --> 04:33:52,879 with the co the code, you know, improve 4474 04:33:52,879 --> 04:33:56,719 uh updates. I get that. But I also know 4475 04:33:56,719 --> 04:33:58,480 that we can learn from this and we can 4476 04:33:58,480 --> 04:34:00,240 do better, you know, better better 4477 04:34:00,240 --> 04:34:01,680 governance in terms of how we would 4478 04:34:01,680 --> 04:34:03,760 manage that. I think any business owner 4479 04:34:03,760 --> 04:34:06,959 here would be upset if they thought they 4480 04:34:06,959 --> 04:34:08,959 were doing the right thing and then the 4481 04:34:08,959 --> 04:34:11,039 city came in and said, "Oh, well, 4482 04:34:11,039 --> 04:34:13,039 functionally, you really can't do this 4483 04:34:13,039 --> 04:34:14,561 for the next month. This is really going 4484 04:34:14,561 --> 04:34:17,439 to knock out your July." Because this 4485 04:34:17,439 --> 04:34:19,920 was so disruptive for people. It really 4486 04:34:19,920 --> 04:34:23,199 knocked out people's July. 4487 04:34:23,199 --> 04:34:28,400 Hardworking business owners. And um I'm 4488 04:34:28,400 --> 04:34:29,920 happy that everybody wants to have the 4489 04:34:29,920 --> 04:34:32,799 ad hoc. It's kind of a technicality that 4490 04:34:32,799 --> 04:34:34,879 technically it's only two council 4491 04:34:34,879 --> 04:34:37,359 people, but of of course we will bring 4492 04:34:37,359 --> 04:34:39,760 people in to help inform what the next 4493 04:34:39,760 --> 04:34:41,840 step is. I don't think it should take 4494 04:34:41,840 --> 04:34:44,480 that long. Um calendaring it will be 4495 04:34:44,480 --> 04:34:47,119 probably be the hardest thing, but uh 4496 04:34:47,119 --> 04:34:50,719 again that we are this is your city. We 4497 04:34:50,719 --> 04:34:52,959 are your representatives 4498 04:34:52,959 --> 04:34:55,199 and this is an opportunity for us to 4499 04:34:55,199 --> 04:34:56,959 learn. We really appreciate everybody 4500 04:34:56,959 --> 04:34:59,760 coming tonight. I you know like was said 4501 04:34:59,760 --> 04:35:03,199 in the earlier uh item you know we want 4502 04:35:03,199 --> 04:35:05,199 to make opportunities for small 4503 04:35:05,199 --> 04:35:08,709 entrepreneurs. 4504 04:35:08,719 --> 04:35:14,480 » Well yay yay yay you. 4505 04:35:14,480 --> 04:35:16,000 So thank you. 4506 04:35:16,000 --> 04:35:20,150 >> Okay. 4507 04:35:20,160 --> 04:35:22,719 Okay. So again, the reason we we brought 4508 04:35:22,719 --> 04:35:24,799 this up was, you know, uh concern from 4509 04:35:24,799 --> 04:35:27,600 staff regarding the municipal code and 4510 04:35:27,600 --> 04:35:30,080 which creates challenges and ambiguity 4511 04:35:30,080 --> 04:35:32,480 and vagness that they were not quite 4512 04:35:32,480 --> 04:35:33,760 sure on how to handle and that's why 4513 04:35:33,760 --> 04:35:35,760 we're here where we are now. I think 4514 04:35:35,760 --> 04:35:39,119 it's it's clear that food trucks are are 4515 04:35:39,119 --> 04:35:42,160 good that we should have them. Uh but 4516 04:35:42,160 --> 04:35:44,320 there's so many nuances to the reg rules 4517 04:35:44,320 --> 04:35:45,920 and regulations that we need to get 4518 04:35:45,920 --> 04:35:48,080 clarified. So again, the folks know the 4519 04:35:48,080 --> 04:35:49,680 rules and they can comply with the 4520 04:35:49,680 --> 04:35:52,000 rules. Um I think what I've heard 4521 04:35:52,000 --> 04:35:54,000 tonight is that basically an ad hoc is 4522 04:35:54,000 --> 04:35:55,920 really what everybody's thinking about 4523 04:35:55,920 --> 04:35:57,920 doing here as far as getting more input 4524 04:35:57,920 --> 04:35:59,600 from the public. I think that's 4525 04:35:59,600 --> 04:36:01,359 important. We need to have the 4526 04:36:01,359 --> 04:36:03,680 stakeholders bring back what their 4527 04:36:03,680 --> 04:36:05,520 requirements are to be able to operate 4528 04:36:05,520 --> 04:36:08,320 properly but also fit within the code. 4529 04:36:08,320 --> 04:36:10,639 uh there's clearly code already set for 4530 04:36:10,639 --> 04:36:13,680 these kind of things with county and uh 4531 04:36:13,680 --> 04:36:15,439 other services that you know we have to 4532 04:36:15,439 --> 04:36:18,320 comply with as far as a city. So if if 4533 04:36:18,320 --> 04:36:20,799 the intent is uh with the council to 4534 04:36:20,799 --> 04:36:23,039 start that ad hoc I'd like to ask 4535 04:36:23,039 --> 04:36:26,000 Elizabeth um then 4536 04:36:26,000 --> 04:36:29,670 >> how we can do this given the amount of 4537 04:36:29,670 --> 04:36:29,680 » how we can do this given the amount of 4538 04:36:29,680 --> 04:36:31,520 interest you know with the city what are 4539 04:36:31,520 --> 04:36:33,279 what's the framework for the ad hoc that 4540 04:36:33,279 --> 04:36:36,240 we could consider. Uh so for an ad hoc 4541 04:36:36,240 --> 04:36:37,359 committee I would recommend that you 4542 04:36:37,359 --> 04:36:39,520 have two council members. So it's not a 4543 04:36:39,520 --> 04:36:42,480 form of council um and have that be the 4544 04:36:42,480 --> 04:36:44,400 committee and that'll be who would 4545 04:36:44,400 --> 04:36:45,279 report report back 4546 04:36:45,279 --> 04:36:46,551 >> to the whole board 4547 04:36:46,551 --> 04:36:46,561 » to the whole board 4548 04:36:46,561 --> 04:36:49,429 >> to the to the council. Um and then you 4549 04:36:49,429 --> 04:36:49,439 » to the to the council. Um and then you 4550 04:36:49,439 --> 04:36:52,160 can uh invite people to participate. You 4551 04:36:52,160 --> 04:36:54,160 can bring people in as speakers but I 4552 04:36:54,160 --> 04:36:55,920 would have the committee be just the two 4553 04:36:55,920 --> 04:36:56,959 council members. 4554 04:36:56,959 --> 04:36:59,910 >> Would it be like a workshop be in order 4555 04:36:59,910 --> 04:36:59,920 » Would it be like a workshop be in order 4556 04:36:59,920 --> 04:37:01,760 on something like that for a particular 4557 04:37:01,760 --> 04:37:02,959 Saturday or something like that? 4558 04:37:02,959 --> 04:37:04,869 >> Uh with the committee? Sure. You could 4559 04:37:04,869 --> 04:37:04,879 » Uh with the committee? Sure. You could 4560 04:37:04,879 --> 04:37:05,520 do that. 4561 04:37:05,520 --> 04:37:06,709 >> That's how we've done in the past. I 4562 04:37:06,709 --> 04:37:06,719 » That's how we've done in the past. I 4563 04:37:06,719 --> 04:37:08,000 just want to make it clear that, you 4564 04:37:08,000 --> 04:37:10,000 know, um, we can run a meeting like 4565 04:37:10,000 --> 04:37:10,320 that. 4566 04:37:10,320 --> 04:37:11,510 >> The ad hoc committee can meet whenever 4567 04:37:11,510 --> 04:37:11,520 » The ad hoc committee can meet whenever 4568 04:37:11,520 --> 04:37:13,279 they'd like and we just need to make 4569 04:37:13,279 --> 04:37:15,199 sure we advertise it so that everybody's 4570 04:37:15,199 --> 04:37:17,119 got the opportunity to participate. 4571 04:37:17,119 --> 04:37:18,949 >> Okay. So again, we'll go back to 4572 04:37:18,949 --> 04:37:18,959 » Okay. So again, we'll go back to 4573 04:37:18,959 --> 04:37:20,400 council. Is that kind of what we want to 4574 04:37:20,400 --> 04:37:21,039 try and do? 4575 04:37:21,039 --> 04:37:21,830 >> Yep. 4576 04:37:21,830 --> 04:37:21,840 » Yep. 4577 04:37:21,840 --> 04:37:23,990 >> So the next step is who would like to 4578 04:37:23,990 --> 04:37:24,000 » So the next step is who would like to 4579 04:37:24,000 --> 04:37:24,879 serve? 4580 04:37:24,879 --> 04:37:27,910 >> I would I will 4581 04:37:27,910 --> 04:37:27,920 » I would I will 4582 04:37:27,920 --> 04:37:29,119 see every 4583 04:37:29,119 --> 04:37:31,109 >> John I'd like one one point. 4584 04:37:31,109 --> 04:37:31,119 » John I'd like one one point. 4585 04:37:31,119 --> 04:37:33,830 >> Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other 4586 04:37:33,830 --> 04:37:33,840 » Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other 4587 04:37:33,840 --> 04:37:35,600 things maybe even slightly ahead of the 4588 04:37:35,600 --> 04:37:39,680 the um ad hoc committee I think we we've 4589 04:37:39,680 --> 04:37:41,600 come to a consensus that there are some 4590 04:37:41,600 --> 04:37:43,760 some contradictions within the existing 4591 04:37:43,760 --> 04:37:46,959 structure. Uh I think staff can probably 4592 04:37:46,959 --> 04:37:49,760 handle identifying what those 4593 04:37:49,760 --> 04:37:52,561 contradictions are and bring those back 4594 04:37:52,561 --> 04:37:56,240 to council sooner than later. Uh and try 4595 04:37:56,240 --> 04:37:58,000 to eliminate. So we heard a lot of 4596 04:37:58,000 --> 04:38:00,160 requests for clarity. Where do I go? 4597 04:38:00,160 --> 04:38:02,400 Give me one stop. We have two places to 4598 04:38:02,400 --> 04:38:04,959 go right now. Parks and wreck and 4599 04:38:04,959 --> 04:38:07,840 planning. Can we clarify some of that 4600 04:38:07,840 --> 04:38:09,600 and bring that back to council sooner 4601 04:38:09,600 --> 04:38:12,080 than we do? I'm not saying don't do do 4602 04:38:12,080 --> 04:38:14,000 an ad hoc, but the ad hoc might not come 4603 04:38:14,000 --> 04:38:14,959 back for a while. 4604 04:38:14,959 --> 04:38:16,310 >> Well, that that's going to be the next 4605 04:38:16,310 --> 04:38:16,320 » Well, that that's going to be the next 4606 04:38:16,320 --> 04:38:18,959 question. Um staff, how soon do you 4607 04:38:18,959 --> 04:38:20,400 think we could probably get something 4608 04:38:20,400 --> 04:38:23,600 going on an ad hoc to address the item? 4609 04:38:23,600 --> 04:38:25,429 >> Yeah, I think it just comes down to to 4610 04:38:25,429 --> 04:38:25,439 » Yeah, I think it just comes down to to 4611 04:38:25,439 --> 04:38:27,520 schedules and the schedules of the the 4612 04:38:27,520 --> 04:38:29,359 two that would sit on the ad hoc. to 4613 04:38:29,359 --> 04:38:30,799 answer or try to answer council member 4614 04:38:30,799 --> 04:38:33,039 voucher's question. Uh my recommendation 4615 04:38:33,039 --> 04:38:35,680 would be that uh you know we we hear 4616 04:38:35,680 --> 04:38:37,520 your feedback and understand that there 4617 04:38:37,520 --> 04:38:40,000 is need for clarity and an interim 4618 04:38:40,000 --> 04:38:44,080 period we would look to uh you as as 4619 04:38:44,080 --> 04:38:47,520 complaints will likely come in still. Uh 4620 04:38:47,520 --> 04:38:51,039 we can assess those but u recognize that 4621 04:38:51,039 --> 04:38:52,879 until there's further clarity it's going 4622 04:38:52,879 --> 04:38:55,279 to be uh probably in the best interest 4623 04:38:55,279 --> 04:38:56,719 to wait to see what the outcome of the 4624 04:38:56,719 --> 04:38:57,520 ad hoc is. 4625 04:38:57,520 --> 04:38:59,750 >> Exactly. Um my recommendation would be 4626 04:38:59,750 --> 04:38:59,760 » Exactly. Um my recommendation would be 4627 04:38:59,760 --> 04:39:03,199 that that uh any of those clarity type 4628 04:39:03,199 --> 04:39:05,039 of updates along with whatever else the 4629 04:39:05,039 --> 04:39:06,719 ad hoc wants to talk about and make 4630 04:39:06,719 --> 04:39:08,719 recommendations back to full council 4631 04:39:08,719 --> 04:39:11,760 come back in one package just so overall 4632 04:39:11,760 --> 04:39:13,840 there's a good perspective of what 4633 04:39:13,840 --> 04:39:16,400 changes uh the the the committee is 4634 04:39:16,400 --> 04:39:18,160 recommending and those are all 4635 04:39:18,160 --> 04:39:20,480 implemented at one time or discussed at 4636 04:39:20,480 --> 04:39:21,520 one time. That would be my 4637 04:39:21,520 --> 04:39:23,439 recommendation. In the interim, we can 4638 04:39:23,439 --> 04:39:26,320 work on a case-by case basis. If it's a 4639 04:39:26,320 --> 04:39:28,000 significant public safety and health 4640 04:39:28,000 --> 04:39:29,680 issue, then we're likely going to need 4641 04:39:29,680 --> 04:39:32,080 to be addressing that complaint. If it's 4642 04:39:32,080 --> 04:39:34,719 a nuanced kind of discussion on they're 4643 04:39:34,719 --> 04:39:36,719 on gravel and not asphalt, I think 4644 04:39:36,719 --> 04:39:38,958 that's something that we can we can work 4645 04:39:38,958 --> 04:39:41,680 uh in the interim to while the the ad 4646 04:39:41,680 --> 04:39:43,760 hoc committee is is deliberating. 4647 04:39:43,760 --> 04:39:45,510 >> Okay. And I was going to recommend that 4648 04:39:45,510 --> 04:39:45,520 » Okay. And I was going to recommend that 4649 04:39:45,520 --> 04:39:46,798 that's why we suspend the current 4650 04:39:46,798 --> 04:39:49,360 citations and not go any further with 4651 04:39:49,360 --> 04:39:50,878 those until we've gotten more better 4652 04:39:50,878 --> 04:39:52,638 clarity. because I think some of the 4653 04:39:52,638 --> 04:39:55,040 citations of people were in working in 4654 04:39:55,040 --> 04:39:58,320 in in faith, good faith, and didn't 4655 04:39:58,320 --> 04:40:00,240 realize that we were going to stop all 4656 04:40:00,240 --> 04:40:02,160 these new things in if it's a health 4657 04:40:02,160 --> 04:40:04,160 department issuing a citation, that's a 4658 04:40:04,160 --> 04:40:06,080 whole different thing. But I think our 4659 04:40:06,080 --> 04:40:09,200 citations out out of briefly put on hold 4660 04:40:09,200 --> 04:40:10,320 until we have clarity. 4661 04:40:10,320 --> 04:40:13,030 >> I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So, 4662 04:40:13,030 --> 04:40:13,040 » I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So, 4663 04:40:13,040 --> 04:40:14,480 and maybe we can get some clarity from 4664 04:40:14,480 --> 04:40:17,520 Chief Nord, but if people don't have the 4665 04:40:17,520 --> 04:40:19,120 license to operate, 4666 04:40:19,120 --> 04:40:21,670 >> that's a different scenario. So my my 4667 04:40:21,670 --> 04:40:21,680 » that's a different scenario. So my my 4668 04:40:21,680 --> 04:40:23,840 comment was you have these a lot of 4669 04:40:23,840 --> 04:40:26,240 people acting within the the regulations 4670 04:40:26,240 --> 04:40:29,120 we have. We let them continue to operate 4671 04:40:29,120 --> 04:40:30,958 until we could filter out all the 4672 04:40:30,958 --> 04:40:35,040 issues. Okay. And then one plug for me 4673 04:40:35,040 --> 04:40:37,040 being on that I have 30 years in the 4674 04:40:37,040 --> 04:40:38,480 restaurant business 4675 04:40:38,480 --> 04:40:40,390 >> and I worked with the health department 4676 04:40:40,390 --> 04:40:40,400 » and I worked with the health department 4677 04:40:40,400 --> 04:40:41,920 a lot. 4678 04:40:41,920 --> 04:40:43,590 >> Okay. 4679 04:40:43,590 --> 04:40:43,600 » Okay. 4680 04:40:43,600 --> 04:40:43,840 Yeah, 4681 04:40:43,840 --> 04:40:47,830 >> I have about 15 years in in uh direct, 4682 04:40:47,830 --> 04:40:47,840 » I have about 15 years in in uh direct, 4683 04:40:47,840 --> 04:40:50,160 five years direct and about 10 years 4684 04:40:50,160 --> 04:40:50,878 consulting. 4685 04:40:50,878 --> 04:40:52,708 >> Okay. I don't have a problem actually. 4686 04:40:52,708 --> 04:40:52,718 » Okay. I don't have a problem actually. 4687 04:40:52,718 --> 04:40:57,040 These two I mean well like like a little 4688 04:40:57,040 --> 04:41:00,400 dog. Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me do it. 4689 04:41:00,400 --> 04:41:02,550 >> Yeah. I think at this point uh these two 4690 04:41:02,550 --> 04:41:02,560 » Yeah. I think at this point uh these two 4691 04:41:02,560 --> 04:41:04,080 have more interest and seems like they 4692 04:41:04,080 --> 04:41:05,760 could certainly uh carry the water on 4693 04:41:05,760 --> 04:41:08,638 it. But point is um you know getting 4694 04:41:08,638 --> 04:41:10,080 your calendar set up and scheduled to 4695 04:41:10,080 --> 04:41:11,520 get it in a timely manner. I think 4696 04:41:11,520 --> 04:41:12,718 that's going to be important to bring it 4697 04:41:12,718 --> 04:41:16,718 forward. Um I if again we don't have to 4698 04:41:16,718 --> 04:41:18,480 have a a vote on this I don't believe 4699 04:41:18,480 --> 04:41:20,718 just going to direct them to go ahead 4700 04:41:20,718 --> 04:41:24,798 and form an ad hoc and calendar it with 4701 04:41:24,798 --> 04:41:27,280 council boss and council Gregory as the 4702 04:41:27,280 --> 04:41:29,520 ad hoc members. 4703 04:41:29,520 --> 04:41:31,600 Is that good enough for good enough for 4704 04:41:31,600 --> 04:41:32,160 staff? 4705 04:41:32,160 --> 04:41:33,030 >> I'll agree. 4706 04:41:33,030 --> 04:41:33,040 » I'll agree. 4707 04:41:33,040 --> 04:41:34,788 >> Yeah. And then we'll be noticed 4708 04:41:34,788 --> 04:41:34,798 » Yeah. And then we'll be noticed 4709 04:41:34,798 --> 04:41:36,798 obviously um public will be noticed and 4710 04:41:36,798 --> 04:41:39,040 informed when they're going to meet so 4711 04:41:39,040 --> 04:41:41,280 you can have some input and find out 4712 04:41:41,280 --> 04:41:42,240 when and where. 4713 04:41:42,240 --> 04:41:45,270 >> Okay. Francisco 4714 04:41:45,270 --> 04:41:45,280 » Okay. Francisco 4715 04:41:45,280 --> 04:41:47,040 Spanish people don't speak. 4716 04:41:47,040 --> 04:41:48,470 >> Francisco do you want to translate a 4717 04:41:48,470 --> 04:41:48,480 » Francisco do you want to translate a 4718 04:41:48,480 --> 04:41:49,680 little bit what we just said on as far 4719 04:41:49,680 --> 04:41:50,798 as uh 4720 04:41:50,798 --> 04:41:53,110 >> if I may but can I also give you one 4721 04:41:53,110 --> 04:41:53,120 » if I may but can I also give you one 4722 04:41:53,120 --> 04:41:55,680 more concern one more question that our 4723 04:41:55,680 --> 04:41:57,920 public had that I want you guys to know 4724 04:41:57,920 --> 04:41:59,760 before we finish. 4725 04:41:59,760 --> 04:42:01,430 >> Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh 4726 04:42:01,430 --> 04:42:01,440 » Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh 4727 04:42:01,440 --> 04:42:03,760 question and and that everybody was 4728 04:42:03,760 --> 04:42:07,360 asking that food truck uh operators was 4729 04:42:07,360 --> 04:42:11,040 can they continue to do business until 4730 04:42:11,040 --> 04:42:15,120 we and yourselves uh find out what the 4731 04:42:15,120 --> 04:42:17,840 new rules are, the new regulations and 4732 04:42:17,840 --> 04:42:20,400 what the permits that you guys want to 4733 04:42:20,400 --> 04:42:22,320 happen. Can they continue to conduct 4734 04:42:22,320 --> 04:42:23,200 business 4735 04:42:23,200 --> 04:42:25,750 >> based on based on staff? Again, I don't 4736 04:42:25,750 --> 04:42:25,760 » based on based on staff? Again, I don't 4737 04:42:25,760 --> 04:42:27,280 think we've given any direction to 4738 04:42:27,280 --> 04:42:30,160 curtail any activity at this point. So, 4739 04:42:30,160 --> 04:42:32,240 I'm assuming they can still operate 4740 04:42:32,240 --> 04:42:34,718 under the operations or unless they 4741 04:42:34,718 --> 04:42:37,280 don't have a permit. Uh, Chief, would 4742 04:42:37,280 --> 04:42:42,708 you weigh in? 4743 04:42:42,718 --> 04:42:49,430 » Mayor, council, 4744 04:42:49,440 --> 04:42:52,240 » trying to think of my words before I say 4745 04:42:52,240 --> 04:42:52,958 them right now. 4746 04:42:52,958 --> 04:42:54,788 >> Yeah, 4747 04:42:54,788 --> 04:42:54,798 » Yeah, 4748 04:42:54,798 --> 04:42:56,788 >> we are enforcing current law. No 4749 04:42:56,788 --> 04:42:56,798 » we are enforcing current law. No 4750 04:42:56,798 --> 04:42:58,958 citations were put out. We went out and 4751 04:42:58,958 --> 04:43:04,080 educated. We contacted as many of the uh 4752 04:43:04,080 --> 04:43:06,958 food truck owners as we could and 4753 04:43:06,958 --> 04:43:08,160 between the two of us, we worked 4754 04:43:08,160 --> 04:43:10,320 together to create that list and get 4755 04:43:10,320 --> 04:43:11,520 that's why we were getting emails. 4756 04:43:11,520 --> 04:43:12,638 That's why we were getting phone numbers 4757 04:43:12,638 --> 04:43:13,840 so that we could communicate with 4758 04:43:13,840 --> 04:43:16,160 everyone, pass out these flyers and get 4759 04:43:16,160 --> 04:43:17,440 that information out there. That's what 4760 04:43:17,440 --> 04:43:20,240 we that's what we did. 4761 04:43:20,240 --> 04:43:22,958 If you tell us right now to not enforce 4762 04:43:22,958 --> 04:43:26,718 some of these things, my fear is that 4763 04:43:26,718 --> 04:43:28,480 you're it's 4764 04:43:28,480 --> 04:43:30,080 You haven't begun to see what kind of 4765 04:43:30,080 --> 04:43:31,920 out of control we can have with food 4766 04:43:31,920 --> 04:43:34,400 carts and food trucks. We can't do that. 4767 04:43:34,400 --> 04:43:36,230 >> No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was 4768 04:43:36,230 --> 04:43:36,240 » No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was 4769 04:43:36,240 --> 04:43:39,520 suggesting continue as usual like you 4770 04:43:39,520 --> 04:43:40,718 are doing currently, 4771 04:43:40,718 --> 04:43:41,030 >> right? 4772 04:43:41,030 --> 04:43:41,040 » right? 4773 04:43:41,040 --> 04:43:41,590 >> With 4774 04:43:41,590 --> 04:43:41,600 » With 4775 04:43:41,600 --> 04:43:43,430 >> I don't I don't know that that's what's 4776 04:43:43,430 --> 04:43:43,440 » I don't I don't know that that's what's 4777 04:43:43,440 --> 04:43:44,878 being asked 4778 04:43:44,878 --> 04:43:47,030 >> if if people have their current permits, 4779 04:43:47,030 --> 04:43:47,040 » if if people have their current permits, 4780 04:43:47,040 --> 04:43:47,590 >> right? 4781 04:43:47,590 --> 04:43:47,600 » right? 4782 04:43:47,600 --> 04:43:49,430 >> Yes. I have no problems continuing with 4783 04:43:49,430 --> 04:43:49,440 » Yes. I have no problems continuing with 4784 04:43:49,440 --> 04:43:50,560 what we're currently doing, 4785 04:43:50,560 --> 04:43:51,110 >> right? 4786 04:43:51,110 --> 04:43:51,120 » right? 4787 04:43:51,120 --> 04:43:53,350 >> With all of the all the um education 4788 04:43:53,350 --> 04:43:53,360 » With all of the all the um education 4789 04:43:53,360 --> 04:43:54,160 that we've done, 4790 04:43:54,160 --> 04:43:55,750 >> right? And if we can continue to make 4791 04:43:55,750 --> 04:43:55,760 » right? And if we can continue to make 4792 04:43:55,760 --> 04:43:57,440 sure if you if you need your temporary 4793 04:43:57,440 --> 04:43:59,200 use permit, if you have those things, 4794 04:43:59,200 --> 04:44:01,040 then absolutely we will we don't have 4795 04:44:01,040 --> 04:44:02,160 any problems with that. We will continue 4796 04:44:02,160 --> 04:44:02,560 as normal 4797 04:44:02,560 --> 04:44:04,470 >> until council has changed something. But 4798 04:44:04,470 --> 04:44:04,480 » until council has changed something. But 4799 04:44:04,480 --> 04:44:06,000 that's understood. That's the way we 4800 04:44:06,000 --> 04:44:07,590 >> that's what we were looking for at this 4801 04:44:07,590 --> 04:44:07,600 » that's what we were looking for at this 4802 04:44:07,600 --> 04:44:07,920 point in time. 4803 04:44:07,920 --> 04:44:09,910 >> So Francisco, you understand that? 4804 04:44:09,910 --> 04:44:09,920 » So Francisco, you understand that? 4805 04:44:09,920 --> 04:44:10,948 >> Yeah. 4806 04:44:10,948 --> 04:44:10,958 » Yeah. 4807 04:44:10,958 --> 04:44:11,990 >> Okay. Good. 4808 04:44:11,990 --> 04:44:12,000 » Okay. Good. 4809 04:44:12,000 --> 04:44:27,960 >> Thank you, Chief. Okay. 4810 04:44:27,970 --> 04:44:42,868 [Music] 4811 04:44:42,878 --> 04:45:12,070 warning. 4812 04:45:12,080 --> 04:45:18,708 Department 4813 04:45:18,718 --> 04:45:20,960 Okay. 4814 04:45:20,960 --> 04:45:36,708 [Music] 4815 04:45:36,718 --> 04:46:11,670 Tacos. 4816 04:46:11,680 --> 04:46:14,560 So I just told him that you are going to 4817 04:46:14,560 --> 04:46:17,280 um start ad hoc committee. It will be 4818 04:46:17,280 --> 04:46:19,440 consistent that both of you guys two 4819 04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:21,520 members of the city council and that 4820 04:46:21,520 --> 04:46:23,840 everybody will be invited in the public 4821 04:46:23,840 --> 04:46:26,000 to to to be there. Is that a correct? 4822 04:46:26,000 --> 04:46:26,628 >> Yes, that's correct. 4823 04:46:26,628 --> 04:46:26,638 » Yes, that's correct. 4824 04:46:26,638 --> 04:46:28,070 >> Okay. So, that's why I told them it's 4825 04:46:28,070 --> 04:46:28,080 » Okay. So, that's why I told them it's 4826 04:46:28,080 --> 04:46:30,560 important that they also attend those 4827 04:46:30,560 --> 04:46:32,638 meetings if there that's their interest 4828 04:46:32,638 --> 04:46:34,798 and for the rest of the stakeholders so 4829 04:46:34,798 --> 04:46:37,680 that they know and they get information 4830 04:46:37,680 --> 04:46:39,280 there and they can also give your 4831 04:46:39,280 --> 04:46:42,240 opinion as a food truck business owner 4832 04:46:42,240 --> 04:46:44,320 to you guys. Is that correct? 4833 04:46:44,320 --> 04:46:46,150 >> To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then 4834 04:46:46,150 --> 04:46:46,160 » To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then 4835 04:46:46,160 --> 04:46:47,520 make a recommendation back to full 4836 04:46:47,520 --> 04:47:12,070 counsel. That's the way it work, right? 4837 04:47:12,080 --> 04:47:13,680 Um, 4838 04:47:13,680 --> 04:47:14,798 anything else? 4839 04:47:14,798 --> 04:47:16,550 >> Yes. 4840 04:47:16,550 --> 04:47:16,560 » Yes. 4841 04:47:16,560 --> 04:47:18,070 >> That's good. 4842 04:47:18,070 --> 04:47:18,080 » That's good. 4843 04:47:18,080 --> 04:47:19,750 >> I don't know. We don't need to know 4844 04:47:19,750 --> 04:47:19,760 » I don't know. We don't need to know 4845 04:47:19,760 --> 04:47:40,948 right now, but uh that's time to meet 4846 04:47:40,958 --> 04:47:44,000 in the afternoon around the same time 4847 04:47:44,000 --> 04:47:52,708 late 4848 04:47:52,718 --> 04:47:54,638 » during the week 4849 04:47:54,638 --> 04:47:57,510 >> and and around this same time after 6. 4850 04:47:57,510 --> 04:47:57,520 » and and around this same time after 6. 4851 04:47:57,520 --> 04:47:57,990 >> Okay. 4852 04:47:57,990 --> 04:47:58,000 » Okay. 4853 04:47:58,000 --> 04:48:00,070 >> Anytime after 6. 4854 04:48:00,070 --> 04:48:00,080 » Anytime after 6. 4855 04:48:00,080 --> 04:48:01,430 >> Similar. 4856 04:48:01,430 --> 04:48:01,440 » Similar. 4857 04:48:01,440 --> 04:48:02,788 >> Does that work 4858 04:48:02,788 --> 04:48:02,798 » Does that work 4859 04:48:02,798 --> 04:48:03,910 >> actually? Okay. 4860 04:48:03,910 --> 04:48:03,920 » actually? Okay. 4861 04:48:03,920 --> 04:48:06,150 >> Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll 4862 04:48:06,150 --> 04:48:06,160 » Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll 4863 04:48:06,160 --> 04:48:07,760 notice it. We're going to try and fit 4864 04:48:07,760 --> 04:48:09,280 into everybody's calendar and we'll try 4865 04:48:09,280 --> 04:48:11,360 and get it as close possible to that 4866 04:48:11,360 --> 04:48:13,200 that time frame. And it might be good 4867 04:48:13,200 --> 04:48:15,840 that you uh be part of that uh group 4868 04:48:15,840 --> 04:48:18,160 too, Francisco. Translate. 4869 04:48:18,160 --> 04:48:21,270 >> I I graciously take your invitation and 4870 04:48:21,270 --> 04:48:21,280 » I I graciously take your invitation and 4871 04:48:21,280 --> 04:48:22,080 I will be there. 4872 04:48:22,080 --> 04:48:38,470 >> Very good. 4873 04:48:38,480 --> 04:48:41,920 um when you guys decide on a date uh you 4874 04:48:41,920 --> 04:48:43,120 will let everybody know. 4875 04:48:43,120 --> 04:48:45,030 >> Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it 4876 04:48:45,030 --> 04:48:45,040 » Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it 4877 04:48:45,040 --> 04:48:46,878 and also talk about it at probably our 4878 04:48:46,878 --> 04:48:47,680 next council meeting. 4879 04:48:47,680 --> 04:48:49,350 >> What location will you use? Will you use 4880 04:48:49,350 --> 04:48:49,360 » What location will you use? Will you use 4881 04:48:49,360 --> 04:48:50,400 the same room? 4882 04:48:50,400 --> 04:48:52,708 >> Announce that. We don't want to 4883 04:48:52,708 --> 04:48:52,718 » Announce that. We don't want to 4884 04:48:52,718 --> 04:48:54,320 we have no night. Uh they're going to 4885 04:48:54,320 --> 04:48:56,400 have to schedule this and so we have no 4886 04:48:56,400 --> 04:48:58,000 idea when or where. 4887 04:48:58,000 --> 04:48:59,670 >> So why don't we why don't we do this? 4888 04:48:59,670 --> 04:48:59,680 » So why don't we why don't we do this? 4889 04:48:59,680 --> 04:49:01,030 >> When you do that date, you'll give that 4890 04:49:01,030 --> 04:49:01,040 » When you do that date, you'll give that 4891 04:49:01,040 --> 04:49:01,840 information. 4892 04:49:01,840 --> 04:49:03,990 >> We're going to be renovating city hall. 4893 04:49:03,990 --> 04:49:04,000 » We're going to be renovating city hall. 4894 04:49:04,000 --> 04:49:04,948 >> So Mr. Mayor, 4895 04:49:04,948 --> 04:49:04,958 » So Mr. Mayor, 4896 04:49:04,958 --> 04:49:06,310 >> we're going to move our meetings out to 4897 04:49:06,310 --> 04:49:06,320 » we're going to move our meetings out to 4898 04:49:06,320 --> 04:49:08,000 the east side of Centennial Park, too. 4899 04:49:08,000 --> 04:49:10,150 >> Mr. We're getting a little out of 4900 04:49:10,150 --> 04:49:10,160 » Mr. We're getting a little out of 4901 04:49:10,160 --> 04:49:13,280 control here. So let's be clear. We are 4902 04:49:13,280 --> 04:49:16,400 you can do it by motion or by consensus 4903 04:49:16,400 --> 04:49:19,440 to create an ad hoc committee to address 4904 04:49:19,440 --> 04:49:21,840 the food truck issue. So it's a limited 4905 04:49:21,840 --> 04:49:23,520 scope. It's related to the food truck 4906 04:49:23,520 --> 04:49:26,000 ordinance uh for a limited period of 4907 04:49:26,000 --> 04:49:27,920 time. Come back within the next 6 4908 04:49:27,920 --> 04:49:29,360 months, 4909 04:49:29,360 --> 04:49:31,030 >> 90 days, whatever the appropriate time 4910 04:49:31,030 --> 04:49:31,040 » 90 days, whatever the appropriate time 4911 04:49:31,040 --> 04:49:33,600 frame is. Um 4912 04:49:33,600 --> 04:49:36,000 and then designate who's going to be on 4913 04:49:36,000 --> 04:49:36,718 it. And 4914 04:49:36,718 --> 04:49:38,628 >> so move second. 4915 04:49:38,628 --> 04:49:38,638 » so move second. 4916 04:49:38,638 --> 04:49:40,470 >> We already have our two 4917 04:49:40,470 --> 04:49:40,480 » We already have our two 4918 04:49:40,480 --> 04:49:42,948 >> two people now. call for the question. 4919 04:49:42,948 --> 04:49:42,958 » two people now. call for the question. 4920 04:49:42,958 --> 04:49:45,190 >> No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish 4921 04:49:45,190 --> 04:49:45,200 » No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish 4922 04:49:45,200 --> 04:49:45,760 up. 4923 04:49:45,760 --> 04:49:48,310 >> Okay. So, we just need to be clear for 4924 04:49:48,310 --> 04:49:48,320 » Okay. So, we just need to be clear for 4925 04:49:48,320 --> 04:49:50,240 purposes of the minutes that you could 4926 04:49:50,240 --> 04:49:51,760 do it by motion or consensus. I don't 4927 04:49:51,760 --> 04:49:54,240 care either way. We need the names of 4928 04:49:54,240 --> 04:49:55,520 the people who are going to be on it, 4929 04:49:55,520 --> 04:49:57,920 the period of time, and the limited 4930 04:49:57,920 --> 04:49:59,520 scope. And then it's an ad hoc committee 4931 04:49:59,520 --> 04:50:01,360 that is not subject to the Brown Act. 4932 04:50:01,360 --> 04:50:03,430 >> So, what do we think staff as far as 4933 04:50:03,430 --> 04:50:03,440 » So, what do we think staff as far as 4934 04:50:03,440 --> 04:50:05,760 time calendar? I mean, how many months 4935 04:50:05,760 --> 04:50:08,480 are you thinking here roughly? 4936 04:50:08,480 --> 04:50:10,798 Any idea? 4937 04:50:10,798 --> 04:50:12,000 three months. 4938 04:50:12,000 --> 04:50:13,510 >> It's going to be three to six months. 4939 04:50:13,510 --> 04:50:13,520 » It's going to be three to six months. 4940 04:50:13,520 --> 04:50:17,270 >> Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to 4941 04:50:17,270 --> 04:50:17,280 » Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to 4942 04:50:17,280 --> 04:50:18,080 have drawn. 4943 04:50:18,080 --> 04:50:19,510 >> So let's just 4944 04:50:19,510 --> 04:50:19,520 » So let's just 4945 04:50:19,520 --> 04:50:21,830 >> or we can just do by consensus, right? 4946 04:50:21,830 --> 04:50:21,840 » or we can just do by consensus, right? 4947 04:50:21,840 --> 04:50:22,550 >> Consensus. 4948 04:50:22,550 --> 04:50:22,560 » Consensus. 4949 04:50:22,560 --> 04:50:24,070 >> Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to 4950 04:50:24,070 --> 04:50:24,080 » Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to 4951 04:50:24,080 --> 04:50:26,798 have Councilman Bos Councilman. 4952 04:50:26,798 --> 04:50:29,350 >> Nope. 4953 04:50:29,350 --> 04:50:29,360 » Nope. 4954 04:50:29,360 --> 04:50:30,628 >> There were two there were two different 4955 04:50:30,628 --> 04:50:30,638 » There were two there were two different 4956 04:50:30,638 --> 04:50:31,520 motions. So there was 4957 04:50:31,520 --> 04:50:33,270 >> We have a motion. We have a motion on 4958 04:50:33,270 --> 04:50:33,280 » We have a motion. We have a motion on 4959 04:50:33,280 --> 04:50:35,520 the floored motion. 4960 04:50:35,520 --> 04:50:38,868 >> Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I 4961 04:50:38,868 --> 04:50:38,878 » Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I 4962 04:50:38,878 --> 04:50:40,718 think what Elizabeth is trying to do is 4963 04:50:40,718 --> 04:50:44,638 more concise uh information as to what 4964 04:50:44,638 --> 04:50:45,440 we're doing. 4965 04:50:45,440 --> 04:50:47,190 >> Can we have a council member that speaks 4966 04:50:47,190 --> 04:50:47,200 » Can we have a council member that speaks 4967 04:50:47,200 --> 04:50:49,440 Spanish in the in this meeting in this 4968 04:50:49,440 --> 04:50:51,200 committee at hawk? 4969 04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:52,550 >> We have you 4970 04:50:52,550 --> 04:50:52,560 » We have you 4971 04:50:52,560 --> 04:50:53,830 >> actually I think 4972 04:50:53,830 --> 04:50:53,840 » actually I think 4973 04:50:53,840 --> 04:50:55,750 >> she she could be in the audience. 4974 04:50:55,750 --> 04:50:55,760 » she she could be in the audience. 4975 04:50:55,760 --> 04:50:57,750 >> I know I can't be in the audience cuz of 4976 04:50:57,750 --> 04:50:57,760 » I know I can't be in the audience cuz of 4977 04:50:57,760 --> 04:51:00,000 Brown. So I know people were sort of 4978 04:51:00,000 --> 04:51:03,760 joking with my exuberance but I I do 4979 04:51:03,760 --> 04:51:05,200 think it makes sense to have me on the 4980 04:51:05,200 --> 04:51:07,280 ad hoc. I think I bring a little 4981 04:51:07,280 --> 04:51:09,200 different perspective than Mr. Gregory, 4982 04:51:09,200 --> 04:51:11,600 a little different history, and I also 4983 04:51:11,600 --> 04:51:15,120 have a connection with HBA and our our 4984 04:51:15,120 --> 04:51:17,840 business owners. Mr. 4985 04:51:17,840 --> 04:51:18,470 >> Spanish, 4986 04:51:18,470 --> 04:51:18,480 » Spanish, 4987 04:51:18,480 --> 04:51:19,430 >> can I speak Spanish? 4988 04:51:19,430 --> 04:51:19,440 » can I speak Spanish? 4989 04:51:19,440 --> 04:51:21,190 >> Okay. All right. I don't care really 4990 04:51:21,190 --> 04:51:21,200 » Okay. All right. I don't care really 4991 04:51:21,200 --> 04:51:23,280 personally, but I'm going to leave it up 4992 04:51:23,280 --> 04:51:29,430 to you, too. 4993 04:51:29,440 --> 04:51:32,160 » Yeah, I know. But, uh, it's all going to 4994 04:51:32,160 --> 04:51:34,958 be just a consensus here anyway. I'm not 4995 04:51:34,958 --> 04:51:38,160 calling for a motion. So, you guys still 4996 04:51:38,160 --> 04:51:39,840 want to hold it? And 4997 04:51:39,840 --> 04:51:41,270 >> I think I think we're still the best 4998 04:51:41,270 --> 04:51:41,280 » I think I think we're still the best 4999 04:51:41,280 --> 04:51:43,040 people for it, John. 5000 04:51:43,040 --> 04:51:44,150 >> Okay. 5001 04:51:44,150 --> 04:51:44,160 » Okay. 5002 04:51:44,160 --> 04:51:47,110 >> All due respect, gentlemen. 5003 04:51:47,110 --> 04:51:47,120 » All due respect, gentlemen. 5004 04:51:47,120 --> 04:51:48,788 >> All right. Again, Francisco, you're 5005 04:51:48,788 --> 04:51:48,798 » All right. Again, Francisco, you're 5006 04:51:48,798 --> 04:51:50,958 going to be there anyway. Um, and it's 5007 04:51:50,958 --> 04:51:51,920 all coming back. 5008 04:51:51,920 --> 04:51:54,230 >> Peter, you're welcome to be there, too. 5009 04:51:54,230 --> 04:51:54,240 » Peter, you're welcome to be there, too. 5010 04:51:54,240 --> 04:51:55,910 >> Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us 5011 04:51:55,910 --> 04:51:55,920 » Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us 5012 04:51:55,920 --> 04:51:58,240 for final consent and, you know, 5013 04:51:58,240 --> 04:51:59,520 approval. 5014 04:51:59,520 --> 04:52:01,270 >> So, this is just investigated the way I 5015 04:52:01,270 --> 04:52:01,280 » So, this is just investigated the way I 5016 04:52:01,280 --> 04:52:02,560 see it. you guys are bringing back 5017 04:52:02,560 --> 04:52:04,878 information for us to further discuss. 5018 04:52:04,878 --> 04:52:07,520 So we want to have again Councilman Bos, 5019 04:52:07,520 --> 04:52:10,320 Councilman Gregory for 3 to six month 5020 04:52:10,320 --> 04:52:14,560 term of an ad hoc and we're going to be 5021 04:52:14,560 --> 04:52:16,560 asking staff to provide information to 5022 04:52:16,560 --> 04:52:19,520 that group and notice it to the public 5023 04:52:19,520 --> 04:52:21,920 whenever we can get a meeting room and 5024 04:52:21,920 --> 04:52:24,080 time to accommodate the number that 5025 04:52:24,080 --> 04:52:27,280 might be appropriate. And then mayor, if 5026 04:52:27,280 --> 04:52:29,360 I can add, uh, given the discussion 5027 04:52:29,360 --> 04:52:31,520 tonight, we'll likely look into having, 5028 04:52:31,520 --> 04:52:34,240 uh, city translation services available 5029 04:52:34,240 --> 04:52:36,160 and do that, too. Okay. 5030 04:52:36,160 --> 04:52:39,750 >> All right. So, is that good u consensus 5031 04:52:39,750 --> 04:52:39,760 » All right. So, is that good u consensus 5032 04:52:39,760 --> 04:52:41,920 enough or you were only call for a vote 5033 04:52:41,920 --> 04:52:44,560 on on that motion? There was a motion by 5034 04:52:44,560 --> 04:52:44,958 you, too. 5035 04:52:44,958 --> 04:52:46,230 >> We have a motion on the floor. 5036 04:52:46,230 --> 04:52:46,240 » We have a motion on the floor. 5037 04:52:46,240 --> 04:52:46,708 >> Yeah. 5038 04:52:46,708 --> 04:52:46,718 » Yeah. 5039 04:52:46,718 --> 04:52:47,430 >> Which motion? 5040 04:52:47,430 --> 04:52:47,440 » Which motion? 5041 04:52:47,440 --> 04:52:49,110 >> So, we have a motion on the floor to 5042 04:52:49,110 --> 04:52:49,120 » So, we have a motion on the floor to 5043 04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:51,440 create an ad hoc committee 5044 04:52:51,440 --> 04:52:53,120 regarding the food truck ordinance 5045 04:52:53,120 --> 04:52:56,798 issues. can the ad hoc is Mr. Gregory 5046 04:52:56,798 --> 04:52:59,680 and Mr. Bosch and they will report back 5047 04:52:59,680 --> 04:53:00,878 within 6 months. 5048 04:53:00,878 --> 04:53:03,030 >> 6 months max. Yeah. 5049 04:53:03,030 --> 04:53:03,040 » 6 months max. Yeah. 5050 04:53:03,040 --> 04:53:04,708 >> Okay. 5051 04:53:04,708 --> 04:53:04,718 » Okay. 5052 04:53:04,718 --> 04:53:05,350 >> Go ahead and call. 5053 04:53:05,350 --> 04:53:05,360 » Go ahead and call. 5054 04:53:05,360 --> 04:53:06,948 >> I need clarification on who made the 5055 04:53:06,948 --> 04:53:06,958 » I need clarification on who made the 5056 04:53:06,958 --> 04:53:08,000 motion and who seconded. 5057 04:53:08,000 --> 04:53:09,270 >> Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was 5058 04:53:09,270 --> 04:53:09,280 » Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was 5059 04:53:09,280 --> 04:53:11,200 seconded by Mr. Gregory. 5060 04:53:11,200 --> 04:53:14,310 >> Thank you. 5061 04:53:14,310 --> 04:53:14,320 » Thank you. 5062 04:53:14,320 --> 04:53:15,430 >> Council member Bosch. 5063 04:53:15,430 --> 04:53:15,440 » Council member Bosch. 5064 04:53:15,440 --> 04:53:15,910 >> I. 5065 04:53:15,910 --> 04:53:15,920 » I. 5066 04:53:15,920 --> 04:53:17,030 >> Council member Gregory. 5067 04:53:17,030 --> 04:53:17,040 » Council member Gregory. 5068 04:53:17,040 --> 04:53:17,510 >> I. 5069 04:53:17,510 --> 04:53:17,520 » I. 5070 04:53:17,520 --> 04:53:18,788 >> Council member Beiel. 5071 04:53:18,788 --> 04:53:18,798 » Council member Beiel. 5072 04:53:18,798 --> 04:53:19,350 >> No. 5073 04:53:19,350 --> 04:53:19,360 » No. 5074 04:53:19,360 --> 04:53:20,470 >> Council member Strong. 5075 04:53:20,470 --> 04:53:20,480 » Council member Strong. 5076 04:53:20,480 --> 04:53:21,270 >> Yes. 5077 04:53:21,270 --> 04:53:21,280 » Yes. 5078 04:53:21,280 --> 04:53:22,628 >> Mayor Hammond. 5079 04:53:22,628 --> 04:53:22,638 » Mayor Hammond. 5080 04:53:22,638 --> 04:53:24,310 >> I. Motion passes. 5081 04:53:24,310 --> 04:53:24,320 » I. Motion passes. 5082 04:53:24,320 --> 04:53:27,750 >> Okay. All right. So, you guys get going. 5083 04:53:27,750 --> 04:53:27,760 » Okay. All right. So, you guys get going. 5084 04:53:27,760 --> 04:53:28,310 >> Okay. 5085 04:53:28,310 --> 04:53:28,320 » Okay. 5086 04:53:28,320 --> 04:53:31,510 >> Report out. Okay. 5087 04:53:31,510 --> 04:53:31,520 » Report out. Okay. 5088 04:53:31,520 --> 04:53:33,590 >> All right. We're moving on to last item 5089 04:53:33,590 --> 04:53:33,600 » All right. We're moving on to last item 5090 04:53:33,600 --> 04:53:36,240 we have pretty much is u city manager 5091 04:53:36,240 --> 04:53:37,600 report. Mr. Hua. 5092 04:53:37,600 --> 04:53:39,750 >> Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's 5093 04:53:39,750 --> 04:53:39,760 » Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's 5094 04:53:39,760 --> 04:53:41,840 actually an update from a question we 5095 04:53:41,840 --> 04:53:44,480 had earlier tonight. Um, 5096 04:53:44,480 --> 04:53:47,510 >> thank you. 5097 04:53:47,510 --> 04:53:47,520 » thank you. 5098 04:53:47,520 --> 04:53:50,788 >> Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP 5099 04:53:50,788 --> 04:53:50,798 » Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP 5100 04:53:50,798 --> 04:53:52,480 project updates are actually already 5101 04:53:52,480 --> 04:53:54,878 published on the city's website uh under 5102 04:53:54,878 --> 04:53:56,718 the public works department web page, 5103 04:53:56,718 --> 04:53:58,958 but we'll uh work on making those more 5104 04:53:58,958 --> 04:54:00,958 front and center on the city website. 5105 04:54:00,958 --> 04:54:02,480 Other than that, no other updates for 5106 04:54:02,480 --> 04:54:04,560 you this evening. Thank you. 5107 04:54:04,560 --> 04:54:07,030 >> Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave 5108 04:54:07,030 --> 04:54:07,040 » Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave 5109 04:54:07,040 --> 04:54:22,868 here. 5110 04:54:22,878 --> 04:54:25,040 Okay, we're on then to council business 5111 04:54:25,040 --> 04:54:26,878 and committee reports. Uh, council 5112 04:54:26,878 --> 04:54:28,320 member, 5113 04:54:28,320 --> 04:54:30,788 >> really, really quickly, uh, we went to 5114 04:54:30,788 --> 04:54:30,798 » really, really quickly, uh, we went to 5115 04:54:30,798 --> 04:54:33,280 the labor uh, presentation at the fair 5116 04:54:33,280 --> 04:54:35,200 about apprenticeships and sort of the 5117 04:54:35,200 --> 04:54:38,240 role of, uh, construction jobs as being 5118 04:54:38,240 --> 04:54:39,920 head of household jobs. I thought that 5119 04:54:39,920 --> 04:54:41,840 was really interesting. The big 5120 04:54:41,840 --> 04:54:44,320 bookmobile is great. Thank you, Mr. 5121 04:54:44,320 --> 04:54:46,878 Freys, for our e excellent community 5122 04:54:46,878 --> 04:54:50,718 development tour. Um the the Royal Lake 5123 04:54:50,718 --> 04:54:53,520 Meadows Park ribbon cutting was 5124 04:54:53,520 --> 04:54:56,560 beautiful along with Riverwalk Terrace. 5125 04:54:56,560 --> 04:54:58,480 I think it's really important to take a 5126 04:54:58,480 --> 04:55:01,280 minute and really celebrate these great 5127 04:55:01,280 --> 04:55:03,680 things that happen and, you know, thank 5128 04:55:03,680 --> 04:55:05,600 my colleagues for helping get them to 5129 04:55:05,600 --> 04:55:08,560 this place. Um, I went to the uh, 5130 04:55:08,560 --> 04:55:12,400 housing services oversight council. I 5131 04:55:12,400 --> 04:55:14,400 thought it was interesting that 73, you 5132 04:55:14,400 --> 04:55:16,080 know, they're working on data and it's a 5133 04:55:16,080 --> 04:55:17,440 little challenging, but one of the 5134 04:55:17,440 --> 04:55:19,760 metrics is that 73% of the families 5135 04:55:19,760 --> 04:55:21,920 going through coordinated entry ended up 5136 04:55:21,920 --> 04:55:25,040 in permanent housing. So, that's a 5137 04:55:25,040 --> 04:55:27,040 wonderful metric, but just remember that 5138 04:55:27,040 --> 04:55:29,520 it's challenging because when people 5139 04:55:29,520 --> 04:55:32,480 leave the area, it's hard to tra track 5140 04:55:32,480 --> 04:55:34,080 track them. So, we don't always know the 5141 04:55:34,080 --> 04:55:36,480 outcomes with some people. A lot of 5142 04:55:36,480 --> 04:55:39,440 constituent services things. Um, I'm 5143 04:55:39,440 --> 04:55:43,360 going to my newly elected uh academy in 5144 04:55:43,360 --> 04:55:46,878 Oxnard next week. So, wish me luck. But 5145 04:55:46,878 --> 04:55:49,280 uh I appreciate the opportunity to be of 5146 04:55:49,280 --> 04:55:51,360 service and thank you to all the staff 5147 04:55:51,360 --> 04:55:54,080 for everything that you do. Um that's it 5148 04:55:54,080 --> 04:55:59,430 for me. Thank 5149 04:55:59,440 --> 04:56:02,000 » Councilman Strong. 5150 04:56:02,000 --> 04:56:05,830 >> Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the 5151 04:56:05,830 --> 04:56:05,840 » Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the 5152 04:56:05,840 --> 04:56:08,718 urban cutting over there for the new uh 5153 04:56:08,718 --> 04:56:13,600 uh uh what is it? Oaks, not Oaks Park. 5154 04:56:13,600 --> 04:56:14,550 >> Royal Oaks. 5155 04:56:14,550 --> 04:56:14,560 » Royal Oaks. 5156 04:56:14,560 --> 04:56:17,270 >> Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And 5157 04:56:17,270 --> 04:56:17,280 » Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And 5158 04:56:17,280 --> 04:56:23,270 a lot of little, it was a real toty. 5159 04:56:23,280 --> 04:56:25,520 They made a great backdrop to the ribbon 5160 04:56:25,520 --> 04:56:27,440 cutting even. And we put some down in 5161 04:56:27,440 --> 04:56:29,360 front as well. So, that was that was 5162 04:56:29,360 --> 04:56:31,840 kind of great. That was really neat. Uh 5163 04:56:31,840 --> 04:56:37,200 my biggest meeting was meeting of uh uh 5164 04:56:37,200 --> 04:56:39,840 that was uh well actually it wasn't low 5165 04:56:39,840 --> 04:56:42,080 sand it was concerning low sand and we 5166 04:56:42,080 --> 04:56:44,480 did have a low sand meeting and that's 5167 04:56:44,480 --> 04:56:49,200 what this train is all about. U we are 5168 04:56:49,200 --> 04:56:52,000 having the surf liner now to have 5169 04:56:52,000 --> 04:56:54,718 special trains just for special events. 5170 04:56:54,718 --> 04:56:57,440 This one is for Disneyland's 70th 5171 04:56:57,440 --> 04:56:59,440 anniversary. And there will be special 5172 04:56:59,440 --> 04:57:02,480 trains to Disneyland, but also they're 5173 04:57:02,480 --> 04:57:04,718 going to have special drain trains for 5174 04:57:04,718 --> 04:57:06,638 some of the other events such as the 5175 04:57:06,638 --> 04:57:12,000 Olympics in uh LA and also at various 5176 04:57:12,000 --> 04:57:14,718 racetracks when they're operating. We're 5177 04:57:14,718 --> 04:57:16,400 working very diligently to have them 5178 04:57:16,400 --> 04:57:17,920 have special trains for our midstate 5179 04:57:17,920 --> 04:57:20,718 fair as well so that we can get some 5180 04:57:20,718 --> 04:57:23,520 people up on those trains and that is 5181 04:57:23,520 --> 04:57:25,920 under consideration. But right now the 5182 04:57:25,920 --> 04:57:28,160 train service is interrupted and I was 5183 04:57:28,160 --> 04:57:30,878 on the phone with one of the executives 5184 04:57:30,878 --> 04:57:34,160 of Union Pacific because Union Pacific 5185 04:57:34,160 --> 04:57:38,240 has shut down the train down at LMPoke 5186 04:57:38,240 --> 04:57:41,200 because we are putting in a new bridge 5187 04:57:41,200 --> 04:57:43,840 that is going to be a through bridge. 5188 04:57:43,840 --> 04:57:46,638 Right now, our trains at that area, if a 5189 04:57:46,638 --> 04:57:48,560 freight is coming through, they have to 5190 04:57:48,560 --> 04:57:50,560 get off the track and back up onto a 5191 04:57:50,560 --> 04:57:54,320 mile and a half long uh siding, 5192 04:57:54,320 --> 04:57:56,480 and it doesn't have an exit. So, when 5193 04:57:56,480 --> 04:57:58,400 the train goes past, then it has to back 5194 04:57:58,400 --> 04:58:00,080 up a mile and a half to get back on the 5195 04:58:00,080 --> 04:58:02,480 track and proceed forward. This bridge 5196 04:58:02,480 --> 04:58:04,320 will complete that over a stretch of the 5197 04:58:04,320 --> 04:58:07,280 ocean to get to the other side. And it's 5198 04:58:07,280 --> 04:58:11,200 very delicate. So we had a big big uh uh 5199 04:58:11,200 --> 04:58:13,520 disagreement with Vandenberg because for 5200 04:58:13,520 --> 04:58:15,280 one month they have to suspend all 5201 04:58:15,280 --> 04:58:18,798 rockets. So there will be no uh rocket 5202 04:58:18,798 --> 04:58:21,200 launches for one month while that train 5203 04:58:21,200 --> 04:58:23,440 while that bridge is under construction 5204 04:58:23,440 --> 04:58:26,000 because we'll have workers walking on 5205 04:58:26,000 --> 04:58:28,400 girders up there putting this together 5206 04:58:28,400 --> 04:58:30,320 and the rocket launches cause the ver 5207 04:58:30,320 --> 04:58:33,280 gers the girdters to vibrate which would 5208 04:58:33,280 --> 04:58:34,798 then knock these people into the ocean 5209 04:58:34,798 --> 04:58:37,280 could drown them. we can't have workers 5210 04:58:37,280 --> 04:58:39,440 out there getting killed for doing their 5211 04:58:39,440 --> 04:58:43,040 job. So, reluctantly, Vandenberg agreed 5212 04:58:43,040 --> 04:58:47,040 and that is now underway. Um, they also 5213 04:58:47,040 --> 04:58:48,878 had a request from Cal Pali to have 5214 04:58:48,878 --> 04:58:51,440 their own private sighting at their 5215 04:58:51,440 --> 04:58:54,080 campus. So, we had to talk about that 5216 04:58:54,080 --> 04:58:56,240 and realize that they're meeting with 5217 04:58:56,240 --> 04:59:00,638 them this week on Friday to say no, that 5218 04:59:00,638 --> 04:59:02,638 doesn't make good sense because the only 5219 04:59:02,638 --> 04:59:05,600 place the current track uh actually 5220 04:59:05,600 --> 04:59:09,920 connects with the campus is out by CMC 5221 04:59:09,920 --> 04:59:12,480 on its way up the grade. 5222 04:59:12,480 --> 04:59:14,878 And to go up the grade, they'd have to 5223 04:59:14,878 --> 04:59:16,400 go all the way to the Bay Area to turn 5224 04:59:16,400 --> 04:59:20,320 around, which makes no sense when or 5225 04:59:20,320 --> 04:59:21,680 else they're going to have to back up 5226 04:59:21,680 --> 04:59:23,840 all the way back to the station. Well, 5227 04:59:23,840 --> 04:59:26,400 the station is just as close to the main 5228 04:59:26,400 --> 04:59:30,320 campus as that place 2 miles down across 5229 04:59:30,320 --> 04:59:34,480 the campus in their A area. So the 5230 04:59:34,480 --> 04:59:37,040 recommendation to Calpali is to get a 5231 04:59:37,040 --> 04:59:39,520 bus, hire a bus driver, meet the trains 5232 04:59:39,520 --> 04:59:41,600 at the station, and take the students 5233 04:59:41,600 --> 04:59:44,000 where they have to go. And that's where 5234 04:59:44,000 --> 04:59:46,480 we left that. And that's probably the 5235 04:59:46,480 --> 04:59:47,840 end of my report right now. 5236 04:59:47,840 --> 04:59:49,990 >> All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council 5237 04:59:49,990 --> 04:59:50,000 » All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council 5238 04:59:50,000 --> 04:59:53,110 Bel, 5239 04:59:53,120 --> 04:59:56,240 » uh, like Council Member Beiel, um, 5240 04:59:56,240 --> 04:59:58,958 attended the Midstate Fair, the trade 5241 04:59:58,958 --> 05:00:00,798 presentation annual event. It's great 5242 05:00:00,798 --> 05:00:03,920 event. uh uh great program uh to get 5243 05:00:03,920 --> 05:00:05,600 young people involved in apprenticeship 5244 05:00:05,600 --> 05:00:08,080 programs. Uh the Riverwalk Terrace, 5245 05:00:08,080 --> 05:00:09,680 thank you for a great project that 5246 05:00:09,680 --> 05:00:11,760 turned out very nice to our housing 5247 05:00:11,760 --> 05:00:16,320 authority folks. Um the 5248 05:00:16,320 --> 05:00:19,200 um attended the Pastor's Groundwater 5249 05:00:19,200 --> 05:00:21,920 Authority meeting on the 23rd. Um 5250 05:00:21,920 --> 05:00:24,080 attended the pancake breakfast on the 5251 05:00:24,080 --> 05:00:26,000 24th downtown park. Thank you to the 5252 05:00:26,000 --> 05:00:28,080 fair. Thank you to Main Street. Thank 5253 05:00:28,080 --> 05:00:31,280 you to ReMax for uh uh hosting us. I'm 5254 05:00:31,280 --> 05:00:32,958 not sure I heard a final number on how 5255 05:00:32,958 --> 05:00:34,240 many people they serve, but there were a 5256 05:00:34,240 --> 05:00:35,680 lot of people in the park getting free 5257 05:00:35,680 --> 05:00:41,120 pancakes. Um the on the 25th uh spent uh 5258 05:00:41,120 --> 05:00:44,160 the day in legal deposition for the slow 5259 05:00:44,160 --> 05:00:48,160 tribune uh court case, uh the youth 5260 05:00:48,160 --> 05:00:50,958 sports council got uh rescheduled and 5261 05:00:50,958 --> 05:00:53,520 finally um it was cancelled until next 5262 05:00:53,520 --> 05:00:56,400 month. um 10 of the Royal Oaks Park 5263 05:00:56,400 --> 05:00:58,560 ribbon cutting thanks to Venato for a 5264 05:00:58,560 --> 05:01:02,878 great park. Um and uh the addition to uh 5265 05:01:02,878 --> 05:01:05,360 the basketball court and uh football 5266 05:01:05,360 --> 05:01:10,320 courts that will soon to be opened. Um 5267 05:01:10,320 --> 05:01:12,320 I think I was going to ask for something 5268 05:01:12,320 --> 05:01:14,000 to be agendaized, but I think we've 5269 05:01:14,000 --> 05:01:16,080 already taken care of it. So that's my 5270 05:01:16,080 --> 05:01:17,280 report. 5271 05:01:17,280 --> 05:01:19,990 >> Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg. 5272 05:01:19,990 --> 05:01:20,000 » Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg. 5273 05:01:20,000 --> 05:01:24,230 >> Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to 5274 05:01:24,230 --> 05:01:24,240 » Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to 5275 05:01:24,240 --> 05:01:27,280 meet with um Mr. Hammond and John Bashon 5276 05:01:27,280 --> 05:01:29,280 and our primary subject was about 5277 05:01:29,280 --> 05:01:32,000 libraries and Helic I think you know 5278 05:01:32,000 --> 05:01:36,160 what that's all about but uh he was uh I 5279 05:01:36,160 --> 05:01:37,680 think John did a really good job on 5280 05:01:37,680 --> 05:01:39,360 softening them up and see if we can fix 5281 05:01:39,360 --> 05:01:42,798 that issue hopefully. Um and then also 5282 05:01:42,798 --> 05:01:47,360 uh I chaired LAFCO um and uh we looked 5283 05:01:47,360 --> 05:01:50,240 at a couple items for uh some 5284 05:01:50,240 --> 05:01:53,520 annexations and it's pretty uneventful 5285 05:01:53,520 --> 05:01:56,638 and um then uh the rest of the time I've 5286 05:01:56,638 --> 05:01:59,840 been taking care of Auggie on the road 5287 05:01:59,840 --> 05:02:02,560 in the water. So thank you and thank you 5288 05:02:02,560 --> 05:02:04,400 for the fair board and what the fair 5289 05:02:04,400 --> 05:02:06,160 does for our community and our staff 5290 05:02:06,160 --> 05:02:08,878 tonight. Thank you for all your work. 5291 05:02:08,878 --> 05:02:13,110 >> Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically 5292 05:02:13,110 --> 05:02:13,120 » Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically 5293 05:02:13,120 --> 05:02:15,040 that we've been a few weeks since we've 5294 05:02:15,040 --> 05:02:17,040 met. Um of course the fair happened. I 5295 05:02:17,040 --> 05:02:18,798 did several presentations on behalf of 5296 05:02:18,798 --> 05:02:21,280 the city on several different events 5297 05:02:21,280 --> 05:02:23,600 there and um it was a great fair. I 5298 05:02:23,600 --> 05:02:25,680 think very well done by Kolam Boragus 5299 05:02:25,680 --> 05:02:30,798 and the board. Um they also had two um 5300 05:02:30,798 --> 05:02:33,280 pastorals groundwater authority meetings 5301 05:02:33,280 --> 05:02:36,080 uh in the past uh time that we've met. 5302 05:02:36,080 --> 05:02:40,400 Uh the last one was last Friday and uh 5303 05:02:40,400 --> 05:02:42,320 we were asked why we didn't have an 5304 05:02:42,320 --> 05:02:44,400 agenda item on it because again it was 5305 05:02:44,400 --> 05:02:46,638 uh not able to be noticed on tonight's 5306 05:02:46,638 --> 05:02:49,040 meeting because of the time frame. I do 5307 05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:51,680 uh have Christopher preparing 5308 05:02:51,680 --> 05:02:53,360 Christopher Lac our water utility 5309 05:02:53,360 --> 05:02:55,600 manager. Um going to be doing a full 5310 05:02:55,600 --> 05:02:58,560 presentation this next meeting on that. 5311 05:02:58,560 --> 05:03:02,638 In short, basically the um uh protest 5312 05:03:02,638 --> 05:03:05,120 did uh accomplish the uh number of 5313 05:03:05,120 --> 05:03:08,638 votes. We had a threshold of about 642 5314 05:03:08,638 --> 05:03:10,878 out of the,85 5315 05:03:10,878 --> 05:03:13,600 that I think we were noticed. Um the 5316 05:03:13,600 --> 05:03:15,360 minimous users were not noticed. It was 5317 05:03:15,360 --> 05:03:17,920 only the commercial users and of those 5318 05:03:17,920 --> 05:03:20,480 they uh had a majority protest of about 5319 05:03:20,480 --> 05:03:24,560 680 the last I saw. So they did uh 5320 05:03:24,560 --> 05:03:26,160 achieve the goal that we were not able 5321 05:03:26,160 --> 05:03:28,958 to take action on the rate study that we 5322 05:03:28,958 --> 05:03:33,040 had planned for the U JPA. So we'll be 5323 05:03:33,040 --> 05:03:34,638 talking about that and how that might 5324 05:03:34,638 --> 05:03:37,280 work. We have another meeting set up uh 5325 05:03:37,280 --> 05:03:40,560 I think on the 18th or 17th of Monday is 5326 05:03:40,560 --> 05:03:43,440 our next one coming up for the JPA just 5327 05:03:43,440 --> 05:03:46,320 before our next meeting here. So that'll 5328 05:03:46,320 --> 05:03:49,440 be more information that uh staff will 5329 05:03:49,440 --> 05:03:52,160 be giving us a full report. um also 5330 05:03:52,160 --> 05:03:54,798 attended the Oak Park uh park ribbon 5331 05:03:54,798 --> 05:03:56,320 cutting out there. That was very well 5332 05:03:56,320 --> 05:03:58,798 done. That tot lot that we had done many 5333 05:03:58,798 --> 05:04:00,560 many years ago was completely revamped. 5334 05:04:00,560 --> 05:04:03,280 I think we saw Councilman Bouch was 5335 05:04:03,280 --> 05:04:06,958 there too and uh and Councilman Strong 5336 05:04:06,958 --> 05:04:09,200 uh and actually Yeah, Be was there too. 5337 05:04:09,200 --> 05:04:12,400 Yeah, very good. So, at any rate, great 5338 05:04:12,400 --> 05:04:16,550 little tot 5339 05:04:16,560 --> 05:04:17,680 while we were trying to do the ribbon 5340 05:04:17,680 --> 05:04:18,958 cutting. That was amazing. Yeah, it's 5341 05:04:18,958 --> 05:04:20,638 very well done. 5342 05:04:20,638 --> 05:04:22,958 Uh, and that's about all I had. Um, I 5343 05:04:22,958 --> 05:04:24,638 did want to ask Jonathan, our fire 5344 05:04:24,638 --> 05:04:26,638 chief, are we do we have any staff down 5345 05:04:26,638 --> 05:04:28,400 there at the Gford fire at all right 5346 05:04:28,400 --> 05:04:29,040 now? 5347 05:04:29,040 --> 05:04:29,990 >> Six. 5348 05:04:29,990 --> 05:04:30,000 » Six. 5349 05:04:30,000 --> 05:04:32,948 >> Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like 5350 05:04:32,948 --> 05:04:32,958 » Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like 5351 05:04:32,958 --> 05:04:36,798 it's a pretty tough one off of uh 166 in 5352 05:04:36,798 --> 05:04:38,878 San Louis County. So, want to make sure 5353 05:04:38,878 --> 05:04:40,160 they're all safe and that we're 5354 05:04:40,160 --> 05:04:41,840 definitely helping out with the effort. 5355 05:04:41,840 --> 05:04:44,400 So, thank you. 5356 05:04:44,400 --> 05:04:47,350 >> Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we 5357 05:04:47,350 --> 05:04:47,360 » Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we 5358 05:04:47,360 --> 05:04:49,040 have coming Pastor Robels Youth 5359 05:04:49,040 --> 05:04:50,638 Commission Advisory Committee meeting 5360 05:04:50,638 --> 05:04:54,080 August 6th, 5:00. Pass Robels Senior 5361 05:04:54,080 --> 05:04:55,760 Citizen Advisory Committee meeting 5362 05:04:55,760 --> 05:04:59,760 August 11th at 1:30. Development review 5363 05:04:59,760 --> 05:05:01,680 committee is going to be August 11th uh 5364 05:05:01,680 --> 05:05:03,760 at 3:30. 5365 05:05:03,760 --> 05:05:05,440 Pass Robels Parks and Recreation 5366 05:05:05,440 --> 05:05:07,520 Advisory Committee meeting August 11th 5367 05:05:07,520 --> 05:05:10,160 at 4 p.m. The Pass Robles Planning 5368 05:05:10,160 --> 05:05:11,840 Commission will be meeting uh here in 5369 05:05:11,840 --> 05:05:15,200 this room on August 12th at 6:30. We 5370 05:05:15,200 --> 05:05:17,360 also are going to have a Niblick Road 5371 05:05:17,360 --> 05:05:19,680 pedestrian and bike improvement plan 5372 05:05:19,680 --> 05:05:24,718 open house here at 5:30 uh August 13th. 5373 05:05:24,718 --> 05:05:26,798 Next one is going to be the library 5374 05:05:26,798 --> 05:05:29,360 board of trustees August 14th at 9:00 5375 05:05:29,360 --> 05:05:32,160 a.m. Again, DRC development review 5376 05:05:32,160 --> 05:05:33,840 committee is going to be August 18th at 5377 05:05:33,840 --> 05:05:36,400 3:30. And then our next meeting is going 5378 05:05:36,400 --> 05:05:38,958 to be here on August 19th. This a 5379 05:05:38,958 --> 05:05:40,958 pastoral city council meeting at 6:00 5380 05:05:40,958 --> 05:05:42,560 pm. 5381 05:05:42,560 --> 05:05:44,878 So I don't think I have anything else 5382 05:05:44,878 --> 05:05:46,160 unless anybody else has anything 5383 05:05:46,160 --> 05:05:48,000 further. Go ahead and look for a motion 5384 05:05:48,000 --> 05:05:48,560 to adjurnn. Move 5385 05:05:48,560 --> 05:05:49,830 >> to adjourn. 5386 05:05:49,830 --> 05:05:49,840 » to adjourn. 5387 05:05:49,840 --> 05:05:50,708 >> Second. 5388 05:05:50,708 --> 05:05:50,718 » Second. 5389 05:05:50,718 --> 05:05:52,628 >> Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to 5390 05:05:52,628 --> 05:05:52,638 » Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to 5391 05:05:52,638 --> 05:05:54,958 adjurnn. All in favor? 5392 05:05:54,958 --> 05:05:55,830 >> I. 5393 05:05:55,830 --> 05:05:55,840 » I. 5394 05:05:55,840 --> 05:05:59,520 >> We stand adjourned. Go.