Two. Three. Four. Five.
Good afternoon everyone. It's Tuesday,
August 5th at 4:30 and we'll call this
meeting over uh to the Pastor Robel City
Council and we'll begin with roll call
please.
>> Council member Bosch
» Council member Bosch
>> here.
» here.
>> Council member Beal
» Council member Beal
>> here. Council member Gregory
» here. Council member Gregory
>> here.
» here.
>> Council member Strong
» Council member Strong
>> present.
» present.
>> Mayor Hammond
» Mayor Hammond
>> here.
» here.
and we have uh close session items to be
uh discussed and reported. Um
we'll let our legal counsel Elizabeth
Hull do that for us.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going
into close session on a couple of items
this evening. The first is conference
with legal counsel regarding existing
litigation. That's pursuant to
government code section 54956.9D1
and the case is John Borst versus the
city of El Paso de Robis. Um and then
there is a second conference with legal
counsel regarding existing litigation
pursuant to the same government code
section 549 56.9D1
that is also John Borst versus the city
of El Paso de Roles. They are two uh
different complaints that have been
filed. Um the third item is conference
with legal counsel regarding existing
litigation pursuant to the same section
government code section 54956.91
and the cases are the tribune versus the
city of pasarobels and Chris Bosch Chris
Bosch versus the city of pasarobels as a
cross complaint and the city of
pasarobels versus Chris Bow as a cross
complaint.
>> Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open
» Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open
up public comment to these uh items
regarding uh close session items
tonight. Anyone in the public? I see
none. Anyone online?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to
» Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to
close session and we'll reconvene at 6
Yeah.
Good evening everyone for the pastor
Robels City Council meeting for Tuesday
August 5th. We are reconvening from
close session. Uh we'll go ahead and
begin our uh session here with the
pledge of allegiance led by Councilman
Strong and remain standing for the
invocation for Pastor Sarah Kate Durren
of the Revival Center. Red.
>> As we renew our commitment to this great
» As we renew our commitment to this great
nation, please with me. I pledge
allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
>> Remain standing for prayer.
» Remain standing for prayer.
>> Heavenly Father, we come to you in the
» Heavenly Father, we come to you in the
mighty name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you
for your grace and your mercy upon us.
We don't deserve your attention, but
we're so grateful that you hear our
prayer. We come to you in faith.
I thank you right now for our city of
Pasroas. Thank you for the continued
divine protection you have over our city
and ask that you continue to have mercy
over us and send us protection.
Lord, may the words of our mouth and
meditation of our hearts be acceptable
in your sight tonight. May the leaders
and the citizens of Pas
have wise discussions, make good
decisions to benefit everyone.
Be glorified in this meeting. And we ask
this in the name that's above every
name, Jesus. Amen.
>> Amen.
» Amen.
>> Amen.
» Amen.
>> Thank you, Pastor Durant.
» Madame Clerk, would you call the roll
call, please?
>> Council member Bosch
» Council member Bosch
>> here.
» here.
>> Council member Beiel
» Council member Beiel
>> here. Council member Gregory
» here. Council member Gregory
>> here.
» here.
>> Council member Strong
» Council member Strong
>> here.
» here.
>> Mayor Hammond
» Mayor Hammond
>> here. Staff introductions begin on my
» here. Staff introductions begin on my
right.
>> Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city
» Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city
clerk, joined by Mary Swanhaltz, deputy
city clerk. and Karen Jackson, IT
technician.
>> Warren Fras, community development
» Warren Fras, community development
director.
>> Leslie Frasier, city
» Leslie Frasier, city
>> Melissa Bailey, city liber
administrative services director. David,
police chief.
Chris Huat, city manager.
>> Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.
» Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.
>> All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U
» All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U
report out from close session. I'll let
legal counsel Elizabeth Hall let
everybody know what we've talked about.
>> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the
» Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the
council went into close session on a
number of items. The first is conference
with legal counsel regarding existing
litigation pursuant to government code
section 54956.91.
Name of the case is John Borst versus
the city. Uh the case number in that
case is 23 CVP-0156.
Uh and there was no reportable action.
The second item is conference with legal
council existing litigation pursuant to
government code section 54956.9D1.
Also um the name of that case is also
John Boris versus City of Pasari Robels.
The case number in that case is 25
CVP0159
and there's no reportable action. And
then finally there was conference with
legal counsel regarding existing
litigation. Again pursuant to government
code section 54956.91
and the name of the case is the tribune
versus the city of Pasarobels and Chris
Bosch. Chris Bosch versus the city of
Pasa Robels as a cross complaint and the
city of Pasari Robels versus Chris Bosch
as a cross complaint and there was no
reportable action.
>> Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh
» Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh
we have presentations. We have two
tonight. The first one's going to be
capital projects uh report by Adidas
Esparonza.
Good evening, mayor, members of the city
council, and the audience that's present
here tonight. This is our once a month
uh public works capital projects update.
We haven't had one for quite some time.
So, and we've done a lot of projects.
So, I'm going to u giving you uh just
give you a catch up on all the things
that we've done today.
So to first of all is to let you know of
the projects that are in progress.
Here's a list of them and I'll try to
give a a quick highlight on each of
those.
And here's some more.
So the first one is the Sherwood
Sherwood water manes. This is the
Sherwood neighborhood just east of
Preston and south of Niblick Road next
to the south of the uh fire station out
there. If you recall, the need for this
project was to upgrade all the the
deteriorated water manes and broken
water services so that we can repair the
roads in that neighborhood. So the the
water line is almost complete. So we
will follow the follow that up with the
neighborhood road repairs again paid
with measure E12.
The Crestston Road Corridor phase one
has been in construction since August of
2024. We're getting down to the end. The
pavement, the first lift of pavement has
been placed and the signal poles are
currently in construction. The signal
pole is at Walnut Bolan and
Bolan and Crestston of course. And so
the tempor striping there looks
permanent. It is not permanent. It's
temporary. uh instead of putting
floppies, which is normally what the
contractor would do prior to final
paving, it became evident that because
the road is so wide and so long, people
would be confused as to where to drive.
So, it was safer to put temporary
striping in, but they just sort of put
it in there and uh didn't really go
through the whole design analysis, just
they just figured we'll try to just keep
it safe. So, let everybody know that is
temporary. And as in fact the second
level and final level of surface repair
started last Friday and we will do uh
the final repair in the next week or so.
The um tower road sorry the training
facility tower at fire station on Union
Road is complete. the before picture
with all the rebars getting ready and
then the after picture with the concrete
pad and the asphalt driveway next to it.
We are in in progress in getting the
equipment. It it's a Lego like structure
that they will deliver on site and build
it for the actual training tower
and that is paid for by measure J20.
Next that we have is the Sherwood Park
upgrade which happens to include a
pickle ball court. You can see that uh
the grading at the we're grading the
parking lot that will add parking spaces
for Sherwood Park and the pickle ball
courts are in progress. The asphalt has
been placed. We're getting ready to put
the fence and the lights for the actual
court.
We now and then this one is the Flamson
pedestrian improvements in front of um
well I think it's still called Flamson
Flamson School or maybe it's not
anymore. I I forget but anyway it's the
junior high.
So, here's north of 24th and here's the
curb ramps at Oak Street in in progress.
And included with the with curb ramp and
sidewalk, we will be putting a
pedestrian push button activated
pedestrian activated push button to help
kids cross the street safely. Again, a
reminder, this was a slowcog safe route
to school grant as well as a safe uh a
slowcog community betterment grant.
The 12th Street parking lot is under uh
construction. This is on 12 and
railroad. They're starting with a
retaining wall along 12th Street. In in
addition to the 12th Street parking lot,
we're also doing the Marvs, the one next
to Marv's Pizza. So that's going to come
along after the 12th Street parking lot
is completed. Uh funding for this
project is from the toot um grant um
sales tax stacks that we receive.
We also have our annual street pavement
pavement restriping program. Uh those
are the list list of the streets that we
accomplished this year. This is paid for
by gas tax.
We also have a whole um lot of
neighborhood streets. We completed the
Sleepy Hollow, Cathedral Canyon,
Rosemary, Julie, and then in addition to
that, we repaired a portion of the
asphalt trail next to Charlay. And this
is again was measure I24 funded.
So now I'm going to take you to our
upcoming projects.
We have a list of them. uh they're all
at various stages, but for now I'm going
to just concentrate on my report for
Crest Road phase 2. Now that phase one
is complete, we were we are beginning we
are going to begin the Chris Crest Road
phase two. We're just about done with
the project and um we want the community
to rest a little bit and enjoy phase one
before we start doing the phase two
which is going to be quite challenging.
I'd like to add because of the traffic
control and what's going to happen
there. Unlike the roundabout at Golden
Hill and Union Road, we were able to
close that intersection and really
concentrate in getting it done. So
essentially, it was one-stage
construction. Once people got used to
the closure, even though they didn't
like it, once they got used to it, they
figured out, okay, I can do it now
until, of course, when we started
paving. But it took about 9 months
before we had to change the staging. But
for them, it was like they got used to
the closure. They got used to the detour
and we were done. Unfortunately, that
cannot happen with the rolling hills and
um crest roundabout. You can see the
black line. It's a little bit skewed,
but there are numerous
drain lines and pipelines that going to
have to be going under that roundabout.
We can't close the road obviously
because we have to keep traffic moving.
We have prepared a what's called a seven
stage construction to do this project.
So just about when the community is kind
of used to stage one unfortunately once
we're done we will have to switch to
stage two and three and four and five
and six and seven. So patience is
something we would really appreciate
when we go into construction.
So to do that to facilitate and help out
with the staging construction is we will
be closing rolling hills and so people
will not be able to use rolling hills
coming from Golden Hill and but the main
road of Crestston will remain open at
all times albeit it'll be staged and at
different times of construction they
might be going this way or going this
way but there'll be um places there the
contractor will be uh directing people
on how to go there. The other thing that
I get a lot of questions on is why did
we not do improvements in front of the
Nick's barber shop. I show that on the
left there. Um so we don't have rightway
for those two properties next to Nick's
Barberhop. During phase one design, we
tried to get them to give us property,
but it's very uh it's very steep. And
yes, if if we did if we did install
driveways for them, basically they would
have to give us public rideway that
pretty much goes right next to their
buildings. And so, of course, they
didn't want to offer that. And so, we
did not do those consu uh sidewalks and
to have to leave it alone. And for phase
two, we're trying to see if we can still
do it. Um I'm not getting much luck, so
we don't know for sure if it's going to
happen, but we're trying. But uh it it
it may not happen. What we'll we'll see.
That's it for my presentation. And
finally, I have in the table over there,
we do have an upcoming workshop next
Wednesday for the Niblick Road corridor
improvements. The we the city received a
grant a grant to enhance Niblick Road.
The grant is specific to providing a
multi-purpose path for bike and
pedestrian safety on the north side of
Niplick. And then we're taking advantage
of that and putting some other
enhancements along the corridor to uh
create a uh um a wow for Nivelick Road
and to make pedestrians uh traffic safe.
>> That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30
» That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30
here 5:30 to 8
>> and it's an open house. We'll have
» and it's an open house. We'll have
drawings of the enhancements proposed
and people can look at it and provide
written comments
>> or verbal as well. That concludes my
» or verbal as well. That concludes my
presentation and I'll be happy to answer
any more questions.
>> All right. Thank you. Questions?
» All right. Thank you. Questions?
>> Quick quick question. Thank you so much.
» Quick quick question. Thank you so much.
um if you know we get the the weekly
updates on the projects and it's so
helpful to know you know what's going on
what's coming up and if somebody in the
public wants to get those or find them
how would they find them
I think they're issued every week via
the CMO update that are the city manager
issues
>> um the I know the individual project
» um the I know the individual project
reports go out to the media u we can
look to get those up on the website as
well Great. Thank you.
>> Chris B
» Chris B
is um just the last couple uh days I've
had the opportunity to drive eastbound
on Crestston uh late in the afternoon
and it's single lane striping that's
going to be temporary permanent traffic
is backed all the way up to um like
Orchard. It's it's the the westbound
traffic is is backed up. I'm not I'm I'm
assuming you're aware of that, but just
in case you're not, um, anything we can
do to to mitigate that? I've never seen
it.
>> Um, I in previous
» Um, I in previous
staff uh council reports, I've shown you
the cross-section,
>> right,
» right,
>> that was approved by the city council.
» that was approved by the city council.
So, it will be striped for that
cross-section.
>> So, these single lanes are just
» So, these single lanes are just
temporary.
>> There's the single lanes are just
» There's the single lanes are just
temporary.
um
>> till they put the final overlay of
» till they put the final overlay of
asphalt down and then stripe it
correctly and put the crosswalks in.
>> I hope it's not going to be I hope it's
» I hope it's not going to be I hope it's
not going to be a single lane from
Orchard down to to River. That would be
>> You mean single lanes both ways?
» You mean single lanes both ways?
>> Yes,
» Yes,
>> there are areas where there was room for
» there are areas where there was room for
two lanes, but I think there's also some
areas that was going to be single lane.
Again, it's the cross whatever the
cross-section was that was adopted by
the city council in February 2020.
Right.
>> That is what is being strike.
» That is what is being strike.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Mhm.
» Mhm.
>> Uh next presentation we have tonight on
» Uh next presentation we have tonight on
the agenda is the um
where to go
Central Coast Community Energy C3A
annual report. Welcome. And you are
Spencer.
>> Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council
» Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council
members. My name is Spencer Brandt. I'm
the community relations manager for
Central Coast Community Energy for the
southern portion of our region. Here to
give an annual update.
As some background, 3CE is a public
agency and we source electricity for
communities all along the central coast.
We work in partnership with PG&E who
continue to manage the transmission and
distribution of that electricity. So
while they continue to maintain the
lines and the infrastructure, Central
Coast Community Energy purchases
electricity from generation projects
like wind, solar, and geothermal.
Uh this past January, the city of
Atascadero along with the county of San
Lucabispo became our newest member
agencies.
In 2024, we delivered 409 megawatts of
renewable electricity. That's enough to
power more than 350,000 homes entirely
from clean energy. Doing so, we are
avoiding 445,000 metric tons of carbon
emissions, which is the equivalent to
taking over 105,000 gas powered cars off
the road for a full year.
3CE is on a path to deliver 100% clean
and renewable energy 10 to 15 years
ahead of the state's goals. By October
of 2028, renewable energy is projected
to make up at least 64% of our
electricity mix.
This year, we've gotten a lot of
questions about energy storage, and so I
wanted to take some time to talk a
little bit about that. Energy storage is
essential for California's transition to
carbon-f free electricity, and it's also
critically important for customer
affordability.
Battery energy storage stores renewable
energy during the day and then releases
it when it's needed most in the evening.
So, at a utility scale, this reduces our
reliance on gas PA plants during evening
hours. And for customers, home batteries
can be a critical tool for resilience
and allow customers to take greater
control over home energy usage.
To illustrate this, I want to take a
look at what California's electricity
mix looked like in September of 2022.
This was Labor Day weekend, and you may
remember it because it was real hot.
This was a heat wave all across
California and it prompted a flex alert
which was a statewide call to reduce
energy usage to avoid rolling blackouts.
You may remember it because everyone got
a text on their phone asking you to
reduce energy usage. And this graph
shows the mix during the day. So red is
fossil fuels, green is renewables, and
orange you see at the very bottom that's
batteries charging. Then you'll see at
the very top as we go further into the
evening during peak hour batteries are
deployed onto the grid. You can see how
they represent a very small portion. Now
let's look ahead two years.
This was a similar heat wave during July
4th of last year. You'll see a couple
things that are difference. There's more
green. That's more renewable energy
online. And the orange battery bar has
more than tripled charging in the
morning as they go below the line. and
then deploying in the evening. So, I
hope that this kind of illustrates just
how the electricity mix changes
throughout the day and how usage
patterns for our customers are different
throughout the day.
We've also received questions from
community members about the safety of
battery energy storage systems. So, I
want to highlight a couple key facts.
Central Coast Community Energy doesn't
have any power purchase agreements with
uh indoor battery facilities. All of our
battery storage projects uh must use
containerized systems that are equipped
with individual fire suppression units
and meet the latest fire and building
code standards. The safety data that you
can see on this slide is also
encouraging. At the same time that
there's been a more than 25,000%
increase in battery deployment, there's
been a 98% drop in battery failures. Um
3CE is not the land use authority. That
is our member agencies and it's
ultimately your call. But we get a lot
of questions about the utility of
batteries and about their safety. So I
appreciate you indulging me to provide
some of this information.
I want to share a little about some
investments that we've made. Um one uh
project that's coming online soon. The
Willow Rock Energy Storage Center will
use compressed air as a battery to power
turbines on demand. This will be the
largest compressed air energy storage
project in the world once it's complete,
providing 200 megawatts to our
customers. Artina Solar is another very
large solar and storage project and
Atlas solar is projected to come online
next year. Last year, Victory Pass Solar
and Storage started delivering energy to
our customers. Uh that was in May. These
three projects represent enough energy
to power 250,000 homes and businesses.
Delivering energy is only part of 3CE's
mission, though, and connecting with our
communities is a critical component. In
2024, our outreach team sponsored
events, hosted webinars, conducted
workshops about our energy programs.
We've partnered with community- based
organizations, trade groups, chambers of
commerce to educate the public about our
offerings. And we've also enhanced our
customer experience or customer service
experience with a new hotline capable of
providing assistance in over 150
languages.
A little about our energy programs.
These help provide customers with tools
to accelerate electrification and
enhance renewability while putting money
back in our constituents pockets. Our
flagship program is Electrify Your Ride
and it provides up to $4,000 for the
purchase of a qualifying new or used
electric vehicle. Additional programs
cover the cost of electrifying home
appliances like water heaters and
installing a home battery as well as
targeted programs for our agricultural
sector for their equipment needs.
We also have programs specifically in
place for public agencies to cover the
cost of replacing fleet vehicles
including everything from light duty
pool cars to heavier duty equipment like
street sweepers. Sister programs include
plan your fleet and charge your fleet
which helps supplement the planning and
infrastructure costs of electrification.
Our electric bus program is often
utilized by school districts and transit
agencies and our reach codes program
provides technical assistance for city
staff as they develop energy efficiency
standards.
Since 2018, nearly 7,000 customers on
the Central Coast have received these
rebates. over $11 million back in our
customers pockets. We're really proud of
that.
And here is a snapshot of how 3CE has
invested in Pasari Robels through our
rebates and incentives. We've also
included stats from a benchmark
jurisdiction so you can get an idea of
how you measure up. One project that I
would like to highlight uh that I'm
super excited about is 3CE paid out
$22,500
to Habitat for Humanity St. in Losabispo
County through our new construction
electrification program for nine
all-electric affordable single family
homes at the Vine Street Passels
project. More good news is that up to
$300,000 is available each year for the
city to cover the cost of installing
electric vehicle chargers, purchasing
electric vehicles, both light and heavy
duty. Uh we also find that more and more
cities are using DC fast chargers as a
really important economic development
tool to drive traffic to downtown and
commercial areas.
And finally, before I close, I want to
share a legislative update. We've gotten
a lot of questions about recent federal
legislation HR1, otherwise known as the
big beautiful bill. And I want to tell
you about the effects it'll have for
energy customers. First, it eliminates
the individual tax credits for new and
used electric vehicles after December
30th of this year. So that means that if
customers are considering purchasing
electric vehicle and utilizing our
rebates, if they'd like to stack those
rebates with the federal tax credit,
they've got until September 30th to make
that purchase. Uh we also um just as
consequential to all of our customers is
the elimination of the investment tax
credit and production tax credit which
is utilized by utility scale solar and
wind projects. This means that fewer and
fewer of those projects are going to
make it across the finish line and
actually be developed. And uh we are
forecasting that in the medium to long
run this is going to mean higher prices
for energy for customers across the
United States. To deal with this 3CE
through our trade association CalCa is
sponsoring state legislation the
pathways initiative to allow us to buy
and sell electricity with markets across
the western United States. This is
projected to save California nearly $800
million. We also have forthcoming
legislation about resource adequacy
slice of day which I won't get into. Uh
but the um main takeaway is it's another
thing that will help our customers save
money if it were implemented.
And that's all that I have for you
today. Thank you very much council. I'm
happy to answer questions.
>> Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.
» Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.
Brown on the left. Anyone on the right?
>> I'm good.
» I'm good.
>> Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you
» Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you
for coming. Spencer.
All
right, moving on to general public
comments. Uh, this is the time that the
public may address the council on items
within its uh purview, but not scheduled
on tonight's agenda. Council or staff
may briefly respond to statements or
questions posed by the public. Uh,
please fill out a speaker card and hand
it to our uh, city clerk when you come
up. You'll have three minutes to speak.
Those people wishing to speak on any
item scheduled on tonight's agenda will
be given the opportunity to speak at the
time the item is being considered. So
we'll open up public comment.
» Welcome Greg.
>> Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg
» Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg
Greywell. I live in Crest and I am the
authority on my ranch. Uh in front of
you there's eight years of annual
reports. There's
15 years of your urban water management
plans and there's the water code. Last
time I was here, I had a bunch of
bobbleheads up there telling me I didn't
know what I was talking about. I know
most of you have never seen those
documents, never read those documents,
don't know what's in those documents.
3CE sounds like the Nazi pipeline.
You guys spend over $4 million a year.
You've been doing it for 18 years now
for Nazi water. That's just principle
and interest on that pipeline. You've
already spent $72 million and you don't
use the water. You got another 15 more
years to pay for it. You have a capacity
loss of over 3,900 acre feet in that
pipeline.
And those are all temporary repairs.
You've had over six or seven repairs.
And that money I just said has nothing
to do with operation and maintenance
repairs or anything else.
The other day, uh, you guys decided here
a while back you wanted to be part of
the JPA.
Four people voted for it. You spent
almost 80 grand to lose. I think those
four people need to kick in 20 grand a
piece. But the moral thing is you got
one long arm to practice you on the back
and one short arm that can't reach in
your own pocket. and you wanted to go
after the citizens that live around you
and and uh
try to make them pay for your problem.
You dump all of your waste water in the
river and it's exported.
You have no recyclable water from rain.
You have no storm water capper. You just
spent $500,000
in six months on this JPA joke
after you already lost in 2016.
In those reports, it says by a certain
date you're going to use all of your
Nazi water. I got it right here. It says
in 2025, are we in 2025? I think we are.
Says you're going to use 100%.
You're using 1,000 acre feet. the rest
of it's going to Monterey for free.
When you make a false statement of
material fact and you have the knowledge
that that statement is untrue and you
have the intent to deceive the people
that live around here
uh and the people have a reliance on
your statements and you injure them,
you've just committed fraud and you
commit fraud every day with what you do.
So, you need to look at this stuff. you
need to study this stuff and if you want
to put something on an agenda where you
actually want to have a discussion about
what needs to happen then we can have
that discussion with somebody that knows
and not your staff and if you want me to
bring their testimony from the court
trial we've already lost five times I
can do that too thank you
>> thank you
» Linup welcome
>> hello I did not eat my waties today so I
» hello I did not eat my waties today so I
I'm actually here to say that um for
general public comment that um the the
fair, the midstate fair that just
happened, I had the pleasure of riding
my bicycle up the 24th Street Bridge.
So, one of the questions I have for Deus
is when that bridge is rehabbed, is it
going to be lowered? I think bike lanes
are supposed to go into it. So, um I'm
not an expert bike rider, but I think
the most basic bike rider should be able
to get up and over that bridge without
being able to walk their bike. end with
that. Um, I got a lot of good, positive
feedback about the police department at
the fair. They were very wellreceived.
Um, some people said it was wonderful.
There were no fights. I don't know if
that's true, but there were no major
fights out front. Um, we didn't have the
food cart debacle that we had last year.
So, I think it was overall a really
great event. I spent um my my life
savings there
um with they have a lot of great vendors
and it was a fun event. I've been there
before but this year I took the time to
go three times. So anyway, so I have
that question and then I have something
from last meeting. You guys were talking
about the Olsen Ranch. I think it's
project um all electric. I think
somebody just said it right now. 3CE. I
think it's a wonderful thing that we
have a portion of the city that is going
to go to people who want all electric
homes green. I think that is what we are
are inching towards are trying to with
Newsome in his merry band of legislature
at the state. So I think it's a good
thing. Um, I think that if we package it
right and it comes back and we say to
the IT people, the tech people in the
Bay Area where I'm from, hey, we got all
electric, we have this, we have that,
they will come. But right now, there's
nothing for them. So, the other thing
that I'm concerned about is um well,
even with that ice scare, I thought that
that was really inappropriate. Who I
guess it was the Democrats who did that.
I went to the hotel. I spoke with the
soldiers myself. Do you know that the
hotel staff and the soldiers were being
harassed? So if anybody has a pipeline
into whoever created that mess, it needs
to stop because it is not okay for
citizens to be harassing people who do
their jobs. The hotel had a really big
problem during that. So that's all I
came to say for public comment. Um we
are projected to be up to 44K in 10
years and I think that was two years ago
when you guys had that projection. So, I
hope that eventually
um we start getting the staff and
everything we need to move with it. I
think it's really important that we keep
up with that growth. Thank you,
>> Dale. Welcome.
» Dale. Welcome.
>> Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with
» Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with
three members of this council and
myself, we're all proud members of the
Pastor Rob Rotary. And this Saturday,
we're having our biggest fundraiser,
Wine Makers Cookoff. And it we gave
$100,000 in scholarship this last June.
And we're very proud of that. And I'm
proud to say that uh you three of you
members of this council are members of
that Rotary group as I am. Now, as to
what Mr. Greg Groal said, "I was here
when you were originally going to design
that damn pipeline to go through the
middle of the city." And I said, "That's
crazy. You don't have no common sense.
It already drains down and goes north to
uh keep a constant flow in the river for
selenus
uh so that they don't get
saltwater intrusion." Well, so why not
take the water and bend it and put in a
pipeline and serve the city of Pasobos?
Why isn't it serving the city of
Pasarobos?
All that money to build a pipeline and
it's all going to help the farmers in
Selenas.
It doesn't make sense. And now you got a
problem. Supposedly, a lot of us don't
agree you have a overdraft problem, but
somebody said we did. And you've got the
solution. just put that water from the
Selenus that you're not using for our
citizens back into the aquafer and the
uh main uh
water tank which we call a a a
largest
I call it a reservoir.
Anyway, it just makes sense that the
city is the is the one of the biggest
culprits of this problem cuz you're not
doing anything to help cure the problem.
And you, John Hammond, sit up there and
say, "Oh, we're going to find another
way to fund this organization that's
doing nothing."
Why? You have a plan in place. And part
of that plan should be for pastor Robos
to do their fair share and helping to
overcome the problem if it's a problem.
» Michael, welcome.
>> Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh
» Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh
thanks for 3CE and their presentation.
However, there's a problem.
uh his presentation was great but there
was no information related to how much
the taxpayers
have paid for that what the total cost
and investment and I don't call an
investment I call it there's pro there
probably be other ways we have an ocean
of natural gas off the coast and nobody
seems to be caring a lick about that but
that's another argument but the bottom
line is his presentation said nothing
about what the total cost of this
renewable energy is costing the
taxpayers and the as as it relates to
reliability. There's some question as to
what that now your job here is to
protect and defend the interests of the
people of this city. And by not asking
the simple question of what is the total
cost of this to the public
as I think their election, you guys
really need to start drilling down on
this. So, if we could get that
information, that'd be great. Uh, the
other thing is, uh, Mayor Hammond, I'm
so disappointed
in your leadership. This whole thing
with Chris Bosch and the amount of money
that's be this money, this city spends
so much money on things that are just
ridiculous.
This thing with Chris should have been
put to bed. And I was brought into this
thing because you indicated that there
was a conspiracy
and I would like to know where is the
conspiracy. I haven't seen anything.
Where's the followup on that? I was I
was smeared during the election cycle
by that statement that you made
suggesting that somehow these people
were involved in an infarious collusion
pro thing which was ridiculous. and
absurd.
So sir, you could have stopped this by
just simply saying we need to stop this
and I misspoke. I was incorrect. There
was no conspiracy. And for you to
suggest that is an outrage and and
really despicable. And
for Mr. Greywall, he makes good points
that the amount of money that's being
wasted by this city in a variety of
different ways with legal counsel, etc.
should shock the people of this city.
We're a small city. We have a lot of
needs here. For God's sake, I spoke
about the roads. For how long?
And we're getting half Crestston done
now. We're going to take God knows how
long to get it done to to to food for
less.
I hope people's teeth stay in their
head.
This is ridiculous,
John. And your leadership has has not
been good. And it's and it's not good.
And and and I'm sad because I want the
best for this city and I know you do too
actually.
But I think your your your decision-m
has been poor.
And so as it relates to Chris Bos, Chris
Bos just asked questions and I'll I'll
finish right now. Okay. Chris Ba was
simply asking questions and directing
his questions directly as his is right
as a representative of the people of
this city and for him to be accused of
something like what you accused him of
is outrageous.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Anyone else? Murray
Thank
you.
Go ahead, Murray. Okay. Murray Pal
temple and resident uh property owner
of property in the Paso bas. So I'm here
today. am a little disappointed that on
your agenda you don't have a agenda item
for the paso base and GSA
you guys are the GSA for the pastoral
city
and I haven't seen any GSA paso city
meetings lately at your council meetings
in the past you've uh done them and
you've done them in the right way and I
appreciate that. So anyway, what I've
handed out today is a uh a document
that's actually kind of a cost and
income statement type situation for four
or five months that was handed out on
August 1st. And for all the folks here
that don't know, uh there was a 218
process a lot of you probably heard
about. And on May 1st, I mean, I'm
sorry, on August 1st, it was defeated.
defeated.
And there's four GSAs, this one and
three others that are now part of this
new uh uh authority, this GPA authority.
And if you look at this uh document,
you'll see that uh the four uh GSAs had
uh uh contributed a while back uh
$229,000
out of their own funds, including uh the
general fund of the Paso City uh to fund
this uh 218 situation. And if you also
look at the last column, you'll see a
$250,000
in September column uh that according to
the treasurer of the GPA uh will be due
uh from each of the GS GSAs. So your
share between the the earlier one and
this one is about 75,000.
Not a big number, you know, in your
budget. I know understand, but you just
guys keep wasting money on these things
and nothing's getting done. So, uh I
would like you to uh uh your next
meeting uh bring uh your GSA
uh agenda up and explain to the county
or to the people in this city what
you're wasting the money on. So right
now um
let's see if there's anything else here.
It's my yellow light.
So uh you know the purpose of this uh
authority is to implement the GSP
that uh was approved by the DWR in 2020.
And so far you haven't done anything.
All you've done is spent money and you
haven't saved one drop of water.
>> All right. Thank you, Murray. We're
» All right. Thank you, Murray. We're
gonna actually have an item on our next
agenda next two weeks. Friday's meeting,
we couldn't get it agendaized because
you have to post it ahead of time. So,
we are talking about it next meeting.
So, if you want to come at that point,
>> that would be appreciated. I think a lot
» that would be appreciated. I think a lot
of people need to understand more what's
going on and what you guys are doing
about it.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
Anyone else?
Sharon.
» Good evening. Uh, my name is Sharon
Rhoden. I'm speaking as a private
citizen. At the end of the last meeting
during council's comments, Mr. Baos made
a comment about how many records he has
produced for the records request, some
of which date prior to November of last
year. He noted that the other council
members combined had submitted less than
50 records. end quote in the absence of
any emails turned in by former council
member Sharon Rhoden end quote
perhaps intimating that I had with
forethought and purpose of evasion not
produced emails in my possession or my
devices
to clarify I turned my city devices over
to the city for evaluation I did so in a
timely manner without the necessity of a
lawsuit or a judge's order to do
I signed an affidavit stating under
penalty of perjury that I had produced
all known records per the request. I
signed this affidavit affidavit without
the need for a judge to instruct me to
do so. Mr. Rivera is correct. The city
has wasted a lot of money. I would guess
maybe a million dollars on one council
member because this council member
refused to abide by the laws in
providing records in a timely manner.
When I received an email about a couple
of weeks ago requesting texts, I didn't
wait for a formal request, a lawsuit, or
judicial intervention.
The only device that I use for texting
is my personal phone. But I did not
hesitate. I took my private devices to
the city for their analysis. They
determined there were two texts, both
containing only public information.
No discussion of replacing a council
member, no city business discussed, and
no use of derogatory names for council
members or city staff. This is not how I
conduct myself. In short, I produce my
city devices for review. I produced my
private devices for review. I signed an
affidavit in a timely manner stating I
had produced records requested.
You, Mr. Bow, cannot make the same
claim. Based upon these facts, Mr.
Bosch, I would request that you clarify
your statement so as not to give the
impression that I had eluded any
requests for records. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Anyone else in the room for
» Thank you. Anyone else in the room for
public comment?
Do we have anyone online?
>> I do have one caller, Jan Alban.
» I do have one caller, Jan Alban.
>> Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.
» Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.
>> Yes. And can you hear me?
» Yes. And can you hear me?
>> Yes. Go ahead.
» Yes. Go ahead.
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a
» Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a
resident of Coil Run Senior Community
and I'd like to take this opportunity to
thank the citizens of Pasarobos for
standing up, protesting, and voting down
the plan to tax well users for their own
water. Water that by law belongs to
them. Water this quasi authority had no
legal right to tax or attempt to
control. These are Bruce Gibson's
minions, basically water pirates, acting
under the guise of some legitimate
authority. And I'm reminded of the movie
Chinatown, where it's all about money,
power, and control of the water. If you
control the water, you control the
world. Well, happily, the cities
citizens voted this down and with any
luck sent a message to the next hopeful
group of pretenders that we're not
having it. The days of to bully, the
days of trying to bully and get over on
the citizens has passed. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Anyone else?
» Anyone else?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Let's uh take care of that phone,
» Let's uh take care of that phone,
whoever that is.
» Okay. Uh anyone else online?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Okay. We'll go ahead and close public
» Okay. We'll go ahead and close public
comment
>> yes. Go ahead Mr. B
» yes. Go ahead Mr. B
>> to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning
» to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning
commissioner uh Sher speaking as a
private citizen. Um
Miss Rhoden was not under threat of a uh
lawsuit from a city employee at the time
the prior uh records requests were made.
Uh she also was not uh um
uh instructed by her attorney as I was
to uh withhold any uh production of
public records request until after the
threat of the lawsuit had passed on
March 16th, 2025.
Uh the record is already abundantly
clear that I provided my records prior
to a judge ordering me to do so. I uh
the record uh the judge uh provided an
instruction to clarify who I was to
deliver the records to. Um,
the
emails that I referred to in my comments
were from private devices, not
city-owned devices. The city devices and
production of records from city devices
has never been in question. Only the
production of records from our private
devices. So, I hopefully that clarifies
the comment, Miss Rhoden, and hopefully
that satisfies you this evening. Thank
you.
Yeah, thank you Chris.
Moving on with the agenda. Next, we have
agenda items to be deferred. Mr. Huat,
do we have any? Uh,
>> mayor, no items for deferral this
» mayor, no items for deferral this
evening.
>> Very good. So, then we move on then to
» Very good. So, then we move on then to
the overview of items on consent
calendar. And you have that item, Mr.
Huah.
>> Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine
» Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine
items on a consent calendar this
evening. The first is the approval of
the meeting minutes for the July 15th,
20 uh July 15, 2025 city council
meeting. Item number two is the receipt
of advisory body minutes for the youth
commission meeting on May 7th, the parks
and recreation advisory committee on May
12th, the senior citizens advisory
committee on May 12th, and the community
services advisory body special joint
reorganization meeting on June 18th.
Item number three, at the request of the
city council, I believe your last
meeting, uh this item is a cancellation
of your September 4th, 2025 regular city
council meeting. and uh directing city
staff to schedule a special meeting in
the month of September if necessary.
Item number four is the receipt of the
treasures report for May of 2025.
Item number five is the receipt of the
warrant register uh since our last
report. Uh $6.7 million
uh has been made in payments from the
city to various vendors for various
activities. I will cover those items
that exceed $100,000 and there are
several of them. So please bear with me.
Uh the first is a payment to Best and
Creger LLP for April 2025 attorneys
fees. This comes from a variety of
different funding sources including
developer reimbursements in the amount
of $271,4944.
Second item is a payment to Page
Construction for the construction
contract for the Golden Hill Road
repairs. This comes out of the capital
improvement fund in the amount of
$174,784.54.
The next item is a payment to California
Joint Power Insurance Agency. This is
for the city's annual liability and
workers comp programs uh in the amount
of 2.2,671,75.
The next item is a payment to California
Joint Power Insurance Agency for the uh
risk uh property insurance program in
the amount of $336,289.
Next item is a payment to First American
Title Company. This is related to an
easement acquisition uh per a previously
approved agreement uh in the amount of
$392,496.
The next item is a payment to Best &ing
Creger LLP for the May 2025 attorney's
fees. Again, coming out of a variety of
different funds in the amount of uh
$242,71.83.
Next item is a payment to Pacific Gas
and Electric. This is for the June 2025
uh utility costs coming out of the water
fund in the amount of $162,491.
Next item is a payment to grant a
construction company. This is related to
the constant road phase one project that
Mrs. Esparange spoke about earlier.
Comes out of the capital improvement
fund in the amount of $228,43147.
Uh next item is a payment to Cal
Portland construction. Uh this is
related to road repairs in the Serenade
Brahma area. comes out of the capital
improvement fund in the amount of
$33,210.74.
Next item is a pass through payment made
to visit SlowCal. This is related to the
tourism assessment district uh for the
May 2025 and that pass through amount
was $133,22843.
Uh similarly, the last uh notable
payment is to Travel Paso for the May
2025 tourism improvement district and
that passed their amount as $176,881.
Moving on, item six on the consent
calendar this evening is a renewal uh of
the Pasar Robels Library Study Center
lease with the superintendent of
schools. This is for uh the study center
facility, I believe, at 3600 Oak Street.
Uh item number seven is the approval of
an application to the land and water
conservation fund. Uh this would provide
additional funding to move the Beachwood
Park project forward. I believe the city
is uh planning to apply for a little
more than $3 million. Uh and this grant
requires a resolution uh of the city
council to apply. Item number eight is
the award of a construction contract for
the repair and re and rehabilitation of
certain uh utility mains on 17th Street
Capitol Hill Almond Court uh and a
change order as it relates to those
construction services. And then finally,
item number nine tonight is a change
order related to uh North Coast's
engineering contract. And this is
related to uh preparation work for the
Crest and Road phase 2 project that Miss
Espiranto spoke about earlier. Mayor,
that concludes a summary of the consent
calendar. We're happy to answer any
questions.
>> Very good, Chris. Um items on consent
» Very good, Chris. Um items on consent
calendar are considered routine, do not
require separate discussion. However, if
any member of the council or the public
has any specific questions or
clarification on a particular item on
consent, we will address them now before
a vote is taken. uh if a full discussion
is desired by a member of the public or
the council that will cause the item 10
to be removed and uh added to the end of
the discussion items for tonight. Well,
I'll ask the council if they have any
questions or would like to pull any
items on the consent. I have a question
for DAS on P8
>> and that's for the uh contract on the
» and that's for the uh contract on the
water and sewer mains
>> and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor
» and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor
that is the low bid but I'm curious if
they're using any local subs or local
laborers for that if you have that
information.
Yeah, there's only one sub on that
project and it's to provide traffic
control and they're from Santa Bria.
» So yeah, Chris. Okay, on my right pro
Gregory.
>> Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question
» Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question
on 8 for you too. What is the location
of the rehabilitation of the water and
sewer mains on 17th?
>> Actually, these are um fixing some old
» Actually, these are um fixing some old
water valves. So they're all at several
intersections 18th, 19th, 21st is just
to uh they're old and will break any
minute and so we need to fix them
because Riverside from 17th to 21st is
on the list to repair for roads.
>> Okay, thank you
» Okay, thank you
Chris.
>> You okay? I'll open up the public.
» You okay? I'll open up the public.
Anybody having a question on any item on
consent, please come forward.
>> Hi, Linda George 126 Street number
» Hi, Linda George 126 Street number
three. Should I ask my question now?
Yes.
>> Okay. Well, that's what I was re
» Okay. Well, that's what I was re
referring actually to about the growth
of the city and being 44,000. Um I think
it was projected in the next 10 years,
Chris. Um, I'm not sure if that's that
was two years ago when that projection
was made, but my concern about
cancelling meetings and um, right now
it's a part-time situation and as the
city grows it, we're going to need
obviously more staff, but we're going to
need our council to spend more time and
making decisions. So, I am absolutely
adverse to you guys cancelling any
meeting unless it's an emergency when
you only have two a month. So, I urge
you to reschedule the one you're going
to cancel.
>> Very good. Anyone else?
» Very good. Anyone else?
Anyone online?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Okay. We'll bring it back then to
» Okay. We'll bring it back then to
council for discussion and or direction.
>> Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve
» Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve
items one through nine on the consent
agenda as stated.
>> Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second
» Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second
by Bosch uh for approval of one through
nine on the consent calendar. Any uh
discussion?
>> Okay, we'll call for a question.
» Okay, we'll call for a question.
Melissa,
>> Council Member Gregory,
» Council Member Gregory,
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Bosch,
» Council member Bosch,
>> hi.
» hi.
>> Council member Beal,
» Council member Beal,
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Strong.
» Council member Strong.
>> Hi,
» Hi,
>> Mayor Hammond.
» Mayor Hammond.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Motion passes unanimously.
» Motion passes unanimously.
>> Thank you. Next, we have public
» Thank you. Next, we have public
hearings. We'll open up public hearings.
And the first one is to consider a
specific plan amendment for the project
located at 258 Spring Street. And I
think we have Katie Banister going to be
doing that for me.
Welcome, Katie.
» Thank you, Mayor and City Council. So,
yes, as you said, this is a specific
plan amendment for a single property uh
that's in the Uptown Town Center
specific plan uh located at 258 Spring
Street. So, the application includes a
general plan amendment, a specific plan
amendment, and those are both amendments
to the maps. Um, and then a conditional
use permit, and a site plan review as
well.
So, location 258 Spring Street is
between 24th and 26th Street on um on
Spring Street. Uh to the east is
manufacturing areas. That's in the
Riverside Corridor Zoning District. Uh
to the north, there are a few
residential uses. This is a a a
residence. Of course, it is within that
manufacturing area. So, this is uh
sandwiched between commercial and and uh
and manufacturing, but there is a
residential use there. We do also uh I
think this is an abandoned residence in
the yellow here, but there is a house
located there. And then there is some
new residential proposed uh uh where the
Moose Lodge used to be located there at
the corner of 26 in Spring. There's also
a hotel to the south uh um just behind
Wraid. And then of course the the um the
junior high school is just across the
street.
So looking at the general plan map um
there are several general plan land use
designations um in the in the vicinity.
The property is currently in the
mixeduse 12 uh land use designation and
just to the south is the community
commercial uh land use designation. So
the both the general plan map and the
zoning map change right at this property
at its southern boundary. And so the
applicant is requesting to move from the
light purple area into the dark purple
area. Um the mixeduse zone is the
mixeduse 12 zone is more of a
residential zone where limited
commercial uses are allowed whereas the
the CC the the community commercial
general plan designation is more of a
commercial area where residential is
allowed. So, it's just kind of moving
the balance between um kind of light
light commercial uses to some um some
more intensive commercial uses is what
would largely be the change.
Similarly, the zoning uh changes here as
well. So, the property is currently in
the T4F zoning district and would like
to be in the TC2 zoning district. You
can see the purposes of those two
districts on the left uh for the T T4F
and TC2. But similarly as I explained
for the land use designations, T4F uh
primarily residential with some uh
limited commercial and the red TC2
primarily commercial with some
residential allowed.
So there are um certain uses that are
allowed in the TC2 that are not
currently allowed in the T4F. So if the
planning comm excuse me, if the city
council were to change the zoning of
this lot, um the uses in the red column
will now be allowed on this site. Of
course, these are uses that are allowed
immediately to the south. Um, so this
would just be expanding the area where
there are some auto serving and alcohol
serving um as well as um hotel and and
some visitor serving uses would would be
allowed um on this site as well.
There are some development standards
that would be changed. The T4F has um
basically shorter buildings and larger
setbacks. Uh the residential density
would actually be the same. you can do
30 uh dwelling units per acre um both in
the T4F and the TC2 but you'll see in
the right hand column TC2 you could do
taller buildings and then the buildings
can be closer to the property lines.
So the building the existing building um
has been there for many years. It was uh
Western Courts had its uh headquarters
here. There was a dance studio here very
recently um but it is currently vacant.
So, the applicant is uh proposing to
make some uh remodeling to the building.
They would uh paint over existing
materials um to give them a fresh new
look, put some new sighting on the walls
as well.
And this is in order, this is the site
plan. Um they would put new landscaping
and some new decks at both the front and
rear of the property and then along this
side. Um they do continue to meet their
parking requirement. Um and um some some
nice improvements to the property.
Uh here's some looks the this is the
deck that's towards the middle. You can
see there'd be signage on the walls and
different uh windows going into the
building.
And here we're looking from the rear. Uh
this is a deck that's at the rear of the
that was proposed at the rear of the
building.
Um so these uh changes would be made in
order to facilitate uh some new uses.
There would be a retail or deli shop at
the front of the building and then a
series of kind of kiosks and little
counter areas for different uh beer and
wine, retail specialty uh food uh
preparers, little spaces for different
uh vendors to have businesses. And these
retail and beer retail beer and wine
spaces are really what has brought us to
uh the city council today. Um the
planning commission did not feel that
they could make a they could not allow a
project that had these wine tasting uses
uh without changing the zoning and so
they are recommending that the zoning be
changing be changed in order to
facilitate this business. You'll see
there's also a meeting space a
relatively modestsized meeting space at
the rear of the building and that's why
the prop the property excuse me project
needs a conditional use permit.
So, this project is exempt from SQA as a
class one categorical exemption for
existing structures. Um, you can see all
the the fine uh print there at the
bottom for what class one exemptions are
for, but essentially it's taking
existing buildings that don't have
considerable uh expansion of use.
The city council has options. The first
would be to approve the project um uh by
adopting this two resolutions for you
this evening. The first would approve
general plan amendment the general plan
amendment to change the the general plan
designation for the site uh as well as a
specific plan amendment which would
change the zoning for the site. The
second resolution uh includes a
conditional use permit uh for the
private meeting facility and the site
plan review for the physical changes to
the site and building and the conditions
of approval uh requiring um limited
hours and some other um um conditions of
approval are included in resolution B.
The city council could amend and adopt
those resolutions to approve the project
with changes. If you feel you need more
information, you could refer the project
back to staff or the planning
commission. And uh the fourth
alternative would be to deny the project
by making findings of denial. The
planning commission is recommending that
the city council approve the project. Um
on July 8th, they reviewed and voted uh
two votes to recommend the city council
approve both resolutions to approve
those general plan uh and uh specific
plan map amendments as well as the
conditional use permit and site plan
review. Uh that concludes my report and
I welcome your questions.
>> Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my
» Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my
left. Anybody?
>> Actually, I'd like to hear other
» Actually, I'd like to hear other
people's questions. I have a couple, but
I want to listen.
>> All right, I'll start on this side then.
» All right, I'll start on this side then.
>> Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um
» Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um
how did that portion of property get
zoned
uh multif family 12 when it was on a
property with another um commercial
development? Do you know how that
happened?
>> So the the uses that were there before
» So the the uses that were there before
were allowed in the T4F zone. So, by
putting that zoning on it, it didn't
make the, you know, the existing uses
non-conforming. The TC2 uh is is kind of
this the corner of 24th and Spring and
south of that. So, I think, you know,
you have to draw a line at some point
and um you know, we wanted those use the
more intensive uses to be at the corner
and as we moved into the neighborhood,
there would be less intensive uses.
>> Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,
» Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,
>> Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if
» Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if
you can answer this. This might be a
question for the developer. the um
I I hate giving up the residential just
because we need that and the multif
family would be a good spot for this,
but it doesn't look like there's enough
space to allow for parking. Um would you
agree with that or or would you offer
some other opinion?
>> The the changing the zoning will
» The the changing the zoning will
actually continue to allow the same
number of residential units. The same
owner actually took a project through
the planning commission to do and I'm
going to forget the number of units. I
believe it was 20. They were going to
reuse this building um and break it into
four they called them quadplexes kind of
four units and then there was going to
be a new building in the rear but they
have opted for this alternative for a
commercial option.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> So yeah, Katie, I had that same question
» So yeah, Katie, I had that same question
with parking. Is it adequately parked
according to you know the code and and
the use at this point? It is in the
uptown town center specific plan for
commercial uses. You need one parking
space for every 400 square ft of
commercial uh u tenant space and it does
provide that number.
>> Yeah, I noticed they have that outside
» Yeah, I noticed they have that outside
um covered area right there like in your
photo and that they took out some
parking. So, I wasn't sure if it changed
that use and what was required at that
point. So, we're okay with it then.
Okay. Over here.
>> Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was
» Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was
any consideration made and if so, what
the comments were on having this much
alcohol allowed in close proximity to
middle school.
» Um, the the applicant will have to go
through the ABC process, the alcohol the
the alcohol beverage control. Um, but it
is certainly a concern, you know, that
there are alcohol uses um that are would
be allowed in the TC2. They are allowed
immediately to the south. Um, but this
would be an expansion of that area.
Correct. Thank you.
Okay, Miss Bill,
>> in the staff report, you spoke about
» in the staff report, you spoke about
like outreach and you know, advertising
the public hearing. Can you characterize
some of the public comment you've had on
this project?
>> Um, we have not received much public
» Um, we have not received much public
comment. Um, as you noted, we all we've
done is the standard noticing, which is
sending postcards to uh property owners
and residents within 300 ft of the site.
There's a notice in the newspaper and we
put a piece of we, you know, post the
site as well to let folks know that
there's a hearing coming. We have not
had any public comments from the
community.
>> Thanks. And then so this has been
» Thanks. And then so this has been
through the DRC twice and to the
planning commission for the planning
commission hearing or meeting. Uh what
was the staff recommendation at that
time?
>> At that time staff was recommending
» At that time staff was recommending
denial.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Questions? That's it.
» Okay. Questions? That's it.
>> All right. We'll open up then to the
» All right. We'll open up then to the
public for any discussion on this item
or let's uh Linda, let's do the
applicant. Uh we have Jamie. Oh,
>> yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
» yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
>> Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.
» Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
You can go first if you want.
I know. Me, too. Me, too.
Let me make sure.
Just making sure I understand how
everything works. All right. Good
evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the
council. My name is Jamie Jones and I am
representing uh the project this evening
and I appreciate the time to walk
through kind of the premise of the why
behind the application and why we think
this is a good um fit for the site and
why the general plan amendment makes
sense. So this property is about a half
an acre in size. Um, important note and
I don't I think it may have been in the
staff report but not the presentation is
that we sh this parcel shares access
with the property immediately to the
south. So the property line as you can
see on this slide goes right against the
back of the building. So whenever you're
looking at orientation of this building
it's oriented to the commercial uses in
the commercial zoning in which we're
requesting.
And so what we're proposing um a number
of requests, the general plan and the
zoning amendment and that would change
the zoning to the TC2 town center zoning
which would allow and that's the uses
that we're talking about is the the the
small wine tasting and and beer kiosks
and also a conditional use permit for a
private meeting facility. There's some
debate whether that's required because
there's a conflict in the code if it's
allowed or you know if it requires a cup
or not but but we're here so let's go
ahead and talk about it and ask ask for
it. And then we also have a um the site
plan that talks about site improvements
and the renovation of this building that
has been um standing as it is for quite
some time and is in need of some
upgrades.
And so we um with this project it will
support a mixeduse commercial project.
It aligns with the surrounding
commercial zoning that we orient to.
We're um looking at this is a a needed
space for providing affordable lease
lease spaces for smaller startup
wineries. And we see this is activating
both daytime and evening businesses in
this neighborhood.
the the floor plan shows um we're
looking at food service deli type use
oriented along Spring Street and then um
having some opportunity. We call it the
specialty retail area. This is we we're
talking about olive oil, other local
food type producers or even crafts
people that could come in and lease some
spaces that are affordable. And then the
um retail and beer wine kiosks. These
are very small spaces and I think what
works for this model that we're hearing
is being able to have this combined
space, combined restrooms and having
storage space on site for the small
producers. I do, you may know I do a lot
of work in the county on much bigger
wineries and it's really expensive and
hard for our startup smaller wine makers
to enter into our local market.
The area that's subject to the cup is
highlighted on this slide. This is the
um called the east end of the building.
And this a meeting hall. We see this
meeting hall as being able to be open to
community groups. Somebody wants to do a
little a bridal shower. One of the
wineries wants to have a wine club
party. It's a it's both a community
space and also a space for the tenants
in the building.
Um, here's a side-by-side comparison of
the exterior changes. I think we can all
agree that the changes proposed in this
application is a pretty pretty
significant upgrade and we think it will
be a benefit to the neighborhood in this
this um side of town.
Um, as noted originally, it's um I know
um Katie listed the different auto uses
and different uses that could happen on
the property. I could tell you that uses
that that we're looking to target is
specific to this amendment is the the
wine tasting uses and to allow those
small kiosks. They currently aren't
allowed in the T4F, but they are allowed
in the TC2 and they could be done in the
building right next to it that we're
orient to that we share our access with.
This slide shows the existing zoning and
this slide shows proposed zoning. Um, I
did some street view, um, which I think
is helpful, showing here existing
zoning. The blue zoning, um, existing
zoning goes to the back of the building.
And I'm showing the shared access. So,
there's a 20ft easement on the property
to the south for reciprocal access and a
10-ft easement on our property. So, it's
common access between the building to
the south and our building.
And again, this is showing um showing
that we're moving and we're moving the
zoning boundary 73 feet. And it's it's
not a big change. I think if this was
looked at when the specific plan was
being done and it was understood that
there was the shared access and the
orientation of the building, I think the
group would have put the line where
we're proposing to show it today because
it makes sense just from a general
planning perspective of where the where
the dividing line should be based on the
the how parcels interrelate.
So, with our proposed zoning change, we
think that this property is more in
alignment um with the TC2 zone and it
and it would allow the adaptive reuse of
this aging strip mall and transform it
into what we hope to be a commercial
hub. Um the reuse of the building aligns
to for a vibrant mixeduse um project and
we think it really promotes the vision
that the TC2 was looking for.
And the purpose, I talked about this a
little bit, but you know, we're not
looking to bring in large wine tasting
rooms that are bringing in a lot of
traffic. These are really the the
smaller wine makers and um brew masters
that can't they can't enter into
downtown. Downtown's um pretty expensive
and there aren't openings and even
trying to get into Tin City, there just
isn't a space for them to be. And I know
just from people that call my office
that want to look at doing a winery,
some of them are tasting in their living
rooms because or in their garages. I
don't legal or not, but that's what
they're doing because of the reality of
the cost and they're they're trying to
get in. So we think u you working with
the owner, Mr. Becker, it's just there's
a need out there and he thinks that this
could be successful for everyone.
And then um back to affordability, not
just for the f future tenants, but we're
looking that this is an opportunity for
people living in in in this
neighborhood. We're going to have food
service. The um and also food sales. I
know I heard some concern about all this
alcohol in proximity to this school, and
I understand it, but this isn't intended
to be a, you know, a traditional bar
space or something like that. um it's
really not that that's not what we
envision it being and also having the
opportunity for community gathering
through that the use of um hopefully you
know an affordable meeting space that we
we think is needed
and with that we think the project
concluding um I we think it aligns with
the uptown area and reading through your
five-year economic development strategy
we think that this aligns with some of
those strategies that supports the local
needs for businesses and We think it'll
be a really good addition to the
neighborhood. And that concludes my
comments. Um, we do request that you
support the planning commission
recommendation. I know we did go into
planning commission with a
recommendation of denial.
The planning commission did support it
unanimously. You and there was a lot a
backstory that went on with that with a
development review committee and the
application process. It from the
beginning the applicant was very clear.
He wanted to have the wine these wine
tasting kiosks and started out in the
application with a I think it was a
community market where we could have 60%
of the use to food stuff and then we
could have 40% to other things. So he
tried to squeeze the wine tasting into
that other 40%. And when we got to DRC
DRC's like no you know that's not that
doesn't work if that's what you want to
do. you know, amend your project to
something else or come back and let's um
put it through the right process and
give it the right zoning. And so that's
why we've taken the extra steps doing a
general plan amendment in um zone
change. You know, that's it's not an
easy task and we know it's not easy as a
decision maker for for your council, but
we really do think it makes sense in
this instance. And so that concludes my
comments. We do have the property owner
here and the architect and members of
the applicant team. Thank you. Jamie, do
you want questions of yourself first?
Uh, I had one, but does council have
anything? Chris B, go ahead.
>> Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,
» Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,
that's fine, too. But, um, I didn't see
anything with with dimensions. Uh, when
you said small, can you give me just a
rough idea of what the what the retail
spaces are and the what the meeting
space is and are those going to be
demise walls or what's going to happen
with that?
>> Let me see if I've got the dimensions
» Let me see if I've got the dimensions
here.
I think I have the floor plan
and I will let Larry, if you would like
to, if he doesn't mind, walk through the
floor plans, but we have four kiosks.
We'll just look at the square footage on
on the screen. We've got four wine beer
tasting kiosks and that. So, they're
around 500 square foot each.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay. And then um the meeting room is
» Okay. And then um the meeting room is
around 1,500 square feet.
>> Okay. So it's larger than I thought.
» Okay. So it's larger than I thought.
Okay.
>> Good.
» Good.
>> It's a 8,000 foot building, right?
» It's a 8,000 foot building, right?
>> So yeah, I mean there there's room.
» So yeah, I mean there there's room.
There is room, but these are um again
smaller. We're putting the that putting
the um the retail beer and wine towards
the rear of the building.
>> Jamie had a question on the common area,
» Jamie had a question on the common area,
the outside open area. Um the the
coverage area. Is that for basically uh
anyone who wants to like for instance
buy something to eat, come over there
and sit down and eat it. Is that what
it's about basically?
>> Yeah, I would I would characterize the
» Yeah, I would I would characterize the
the center deck as the common space
where if you grab a sandwich, you want
to come sit down and eat outside or you
get some olive oil to get some bread. Um
but then the back deck, I think we'd
look at that as being me more oriented
for the um event space.
>> Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any
» Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any
questions for Jan?
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> You're off the hook.
» You're off the hook.
>> Larry, you wanted to address
» Larry, you wanted to address
>> anything you want to say?
» anything you want to say?
>> Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel
» Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel
Architects.
Um, quickly, I guess.
» Uh, the wine tasting areas are are
modest. They're about 30 ft deep and
about 20 ft wide. So, modest spaces. Um,
hopefully, you know, it's going to have
some tasting area and a little bit of
storage, but it's not going to have
barrel storage. It's going to have just
some case goods and some of those kind
of things. So, just again, just uh
modest tasting rooms. Um, I wanted to
address the uh residential uh issue a
little bit. Uh, we did design the
project before with uh 20 units in it.
We took this building, we divided it up
and uh took slices out of it for for
patios and put in small studio units.
And then in the back we did a little
three-story building. And um we got
every square foot you could possibly get
out of that little piece of property.
And it was just really cutting up the
building and it just didn't pencil when
we got done. So this basically is
keeping the building intact. We're uh
renovating it completely indoors,
outdoors. Um, and but beyond that, also
on the residential, if this building
came down, there's a 10-ft setback on
the northand side. There's 12t of backup
space that you're giving up on the
driveway. So, it it it narrows it down
to something of 40 ft wide uh of working
space to put build a building and uh and
parking. It just doesn't pencil at all.
We've done some um conceptuals on the
building on the property next door which
is much much larther. We looked at that
and getting up to 60 60 units and it
still hasn't been sold out for anybody
in the last four years that we've been
working on it. So the commercial uh will
give this thing some life. It's been
sitting vacant for a while. It's uh been
uh it's been a while since it's been
updated and so we think we've got the uh
the package here that that'll be
successful. So I'm here if you have any
more questions. Larry, I have one real
quick on the uh retail beer and wine.
Are there going to be some sort of a
closure on each one of those kiosks?
>> Well, we had it closed up in the back
» Well, we had it closed up in the back
for storage and just an empty uh counter
in the front.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Depending as we've done wineries and
» Depending as we've done wineries and
things, you know, some people just want
to put a couple barrels and a 4x12
across it and call it a countertop.
Others want to get very exotic. So, um
we've just seen a variety. So, we kind
of leave it open, but we'll have a back
uh storage closed off area to keep the
case out of the way.
>> Yeah, because it's a common hallway
» Yeah, because it's a common hallway
essentially, isn't it? I mean, when
they're
>> common way, we anticipate to have some
» common way, we anticipate to have some
kiosk in there. It's basically um an
indoor uh um farmers market, if you
will. There's some small spaces for
people to sell local goods and candles,
wine, uh I mean u olive oil, nuts, those
kinds of things on a indoor space.
>> Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the
» Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the
security. In other words, we talked a
little bit about the school across the
street and this will probably be open
during school hours and and security if
they weren't open if a particular kiosk
was not open at the time.
>> No, it would be I see it would be lock
» No, it would be I see it would be lock
that part would be locked up for sure,
>> right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
» right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
>> Yeah. No access no access to the storage
» Yeah. No access no access to the storage
storage goods. Yeah.
>> Very good. All right. Anyone else on
» Very good. All right. Anyone else on
Right.
>> Anyone else?
» Anyone else?
>> Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open
» Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open
up to public comment for on this item.
Please come forward, Linda.
>> Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126
» Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126
Spring Street. Okay, I don't know. I've
I am under the the understanding that
this city is now 61% Hispanic. Mayor,
you asked me a question when I
interviewed for district 1. What would I
do with North County? Well, what I said
was from 24th Street to 101, people
refer to that as Little Mexico. Okay.
And I would like to see the Hispanic
community have their own area in this
city. So I'm against this project for
this one reason. And I do know, Miss
Bill, I read the agenda, so I knew it
was under denial status when they
recommended to the planning commission.
My curiosity is why did the staff
decline it? You don't want alcohol
there? primarily when Flamson lets out.
Dollar Tree already has a problem with
the kids playing ball.
Literally playing ball. I was there.
They are destroying that store.
The staff are overwhelmed. You put in
little kiosk highass retail that you
find 73 feet over, it's gonna get
demolished.
Literally. Okay. So, my concern is that
I would like to see from 24th Street
after the bridge all the way to 101 be
the Hispanic community. I want to know
how much the city u Mr. Sloan has
outreached to the larger Hispanic
corporations, grocery stores, anything
like that that could come on in and buy
the buildings just like everybody else
can. I think it's very important that
the Hispanic community has their own
area and we are there.
If you sell I will say this to the the
person who's sell or buying this. If you
serve Modello takers
you serve wine you're going to get a
trashed building. I feel for Dollar Tree
every time I go in there. They are
throwing their items around. property
destruction is the number one issue they
have. And you guys know that about me.
When I walk into a store, I talk to
everybody and ask them how they're
doing. Chief Nord already knows and he
has sent the police to drive around
there at 2:00. So, I promise you, as
soon as the kids get out, they are going
to destroy that. How are they going to
handle 50 kids coming into their deli?
How are they going to handle 60 kids all
wanting to eat on their deck?
It is a security risk to put alcohol
there. That is why all the stores are on
the other end. Okay? So, I really hope
that you guys start respecting the
Hispanic community that is here. We're
not going nowhere and we're going to
keep growing. So, give us our community.
Thank you,
>> Dale. Welcome.
» Dale. Welcome.
>> Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this
» Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this
project. Uh I don't know if they're
going to be able to get ABC to give them
a license for alcohol, but that's uh
their problem. Uh but it certainly that
property is a definite eyesore the way
it is. And if they can do something
that's not going to be an eyesore, I'm
for it.
>> Thank you,
» Thank you,
>> Francisco. Welcome,
» Francisco Ramirez, mayor, city council
members. Thank you. Um, I for one, I
don't speak for those other Hispanic or
Latinos that were just mentioned earlier
earlier. Um, as you know, I grew up here
in Paso Robles. I went to Marie Bower
and and Flamson and Pas Robles High
School. Um, and I I I don't agree that
there is security risk. I mean, since I
remember going there sixth, seventh, and
eighth grade, uh, there have always been
a gas station right across the street
that sells beer, sells alcohol, sells
cigarettes. There's another one, Kitty
Corner, right across the street that
also sells alcohol and cigarettes. And
that's never been a problem before. I
mean, I remember getting out of Flamson
and then running there and getting, you
know, getting my gum and getting my
sodas or Gatorade before I get home cuz
I was seriously I was tired of school
already. Um, so I I do approve of this
and I want to say uh with the planning
commission that already, you know,
approved of this. I would like for you
guys to support that and also our staff
saying for you guys to approve this, I I
would agree on that. Um and then also um
before there was writ
because I used to walk it. Um and that
grocery store also had alcohol, had
cigarettes. Um so I don't believe in
that being a a risk there or security
issue. There's always been alcohol and
uh cigarettes available in that corner
right in front of Flamson. As a former
student of Flamson, one of my teachers
is here, too.
She knows that I always attended school
and I ran out soon as that bell rang. I
was going across the street to give me a
drink or give me snacks or gum. So, I do
approve and I wish you guys listen to
our staff and to also our planning
commission. Thank you.
>> All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone
» All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone
else?
All right, we'll close public comment.
Bring it back to
>> Yeah, we got one more.
» Yeah, we got one more.
>> Come on in, John.
» Come on in, John.
>> Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at
» Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at
Flamson for quite a few years
and um my only concern quite frankly
right now
beyond the alcohol situation because
quite frankly I don't think it's going
to go uh I don't think they'll approve
uh the location that close to Flamson
but there are other issues there that
haven't really been uh aired that I'm
concerned about.
I live on Rosemary Drive right next to
Almond Acres.
We have uh 58 homes in that uh area and
over a 100 cars of our own. And the
things that unite us is trying to get
out of that area.
uh
at 7:00 to about 8:30
we can't get out to our own work. Uh
coming home, same type of thing. And
we're working on that and we'll continue
to actively uh look at the safety uh
situation.
The thing that bothers me about this is
the question of potential
traffic problems, especially going on to
uh
Spring Street.
If we go ahead and do this project, we
have to have more ways of getting in and
out besides one driveway.
Okay. The second part that concerns me
is what's going to happen when parents
come and the buses come to drop off the
students and then around 3:00 come to go
ahead and pick them up. Now, if that
problem can be solved,
great. Let's do it. But until then,
with my own experience on Rosemary
Drive, uh, it becomes a real safety
issue. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Tim.
» Thank you, Tim.
Okay. Anyone else in the audience?
Anyone online? Melissa?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it
» Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it
back to council for discussion and or
action on this item.
>> Go ahead, Chris.
» Go ahead, Chris.
You want to start?
>> I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's
» I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's
comments and uh the presentation by
Jamie. This is tricky because of sort of
the boundary on those zoning areas. Um
and the way, you know, I'm going to be
approaching all of these land use
decisions that we're making like what
does the community need? And I think
it's a it's a unique location with some
unique needs.
And uh like what was mentioned with uh
some of my colleagues, you know, the the
need for resident residential is very
important. And I appreciate that maybe
it didn't pencil out in the uh through
the architecture process. Um but that
does not negate the fact that the
community needs housing. The community
needs child care and especially the
community needs lots of things and I'm
not sure if this particular project it
is beautiful. It is an improvement from
an aesthetic standpoint but I'm not sure
if it's what the Uptown uh center needs.
>> Thank Chris Fred.
» Thank Chris Fred.
>> Yeah. Well, I have a little different
» Yeah. Well, I have a little different
point of view and
I understand Linda's
understanding about the Hispanic
community, but I I'm not in favor of
creating gilders and I'm more for
integration, not segregation. And I
appreciated Francisco saying as much too
that the Hispanic they've worked very
hard to try to integrate this Hispanic
community with the white community, not
segregated. And I think that's very
important that we have to treat each
other equally and and not create
things situations like that.
I respect the architect and his opinion
about about residential. If it doesn't
pencil, it doesn't pencil. And it's as
simple as that. You can't make the
property unusable.
And it really looks like this is about
the only practical use for that property
as it currently exists. Now, if it was
purchased by one of the neighboring
properties and integrated into a
neighbor neighboring property, that's a
whole different story. But as long as it
is a single property owner and stands
alone, I think this may be the best use
possible.
>> Good. Prom Gregory.
» Good. Prom Gregory.
>> Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.
» Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.
I think one of the issues that's really
important on this property that's
unusual is the access, the ingress and
the egress. It's a shared egress in um
ingress. I've been visiting that
property for years for my friends who
owned Western Courts and if traffic is a
concern, they has they had a dance
school in the back with lots of traffic
coming and going. And um I really think
it's important to for a property to be
developed to attract business. It's the
dream of the owners to make something
that's going to work. And a couple
really nice benefits of this project,
they've got the food specialty in the
deli in the front, the wine and beer
tasting in the back, and then they have
this public meeting room where they
might even let Linda George have a
meeting if she asks. Anyway,
but it's kind of a perfect use because
the property right next door is heavily
commercial where they used to
manufacture all the lights and um I
think it's a great project and I'm ready
to make a motion if somebody else wants
>> Chris.
» Chris.
Well, thank you for for waiting for just
a moment. Um
I've I've always been a private property
rights person. Always. Um, I think it's
up to the individual property owner to
make a decision whether or not the the
land
uh the neighborhood city will support
their vision uh and make a viable
project. Uh I respect the property
owners uh time and investment in uh
acquiring the property in developing uh
new plans for the property. uh those
those have to be respected. I appreciate
Mr. Gabriel taking the time to look at
uh perhaps uh making a residential use
out of it. Does not appear that that's
uh viable. You have to respect that. Uh
we cannot will not legislate property
owners into what they have to do. And
we're going to be taking up another
project here or another topic later on
this evening. um similar themes will
come into play. I think we we have to go
forward uh if this is within the current
state um of of what our rules and
regulations uh will will allow. I I
think it's it's proper for us to
consider this. Um to Miss George's
point, if if you think you know the uh
uptown or the project or plan should be
amended, make that a project. Um, but I
I don't think you can hope for that to
happen in the future and make it
retroactive to this project today. Um,
so with with due respect for for your
suggestion. Um, with that, I'll let Mr.
Gregory.
>> Well, I was going to weigh in too.
» Well, I was going to weigh in too.
Again, I I very supportive of the
project. I mean, I believe I know the
original owners of this building, too,
and I think they're probably close to 70
years old, if not 60 at least. uh and to
see uh architect Gabriel come up with a
design that really improved that whole
property is amazing. I I really think
it's going to be much improved uh to the
the area with regard to, you know,
having that TC2 just contiguous to that
lot. We can have the same use there, but
not uh on the north side of the of the
line. It doesn't make sense to me. It's
all in the same unit pretty much. not to
means that you know they're going to
have wine sales there but they could
have sales there. So I think that uh
it's an you know to me opportunity for
small entrepreneurs to show their wares
and if it's not wine it could be
something else and um having a food uh
place there too along with outside
seating I think again it's a great use
along with some meeting room space. So u
very impressive Larry uh what you did
there. So I'm uh I'm good and supportive
with. So Councilman Gregory if you'd
like to make a motion. Um,
I just want to compliment um, Jamie Kirk
and the owner of this project for
design. It's really nicely done. It'll
be a nice improvement. So, I'm going to
move that we approve resolution 25XXA
to approve the general plan amendment
25-01
and a specific plan amendment 251.
>> Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and
» Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and
second by Strong. I'm going to second
that.
>> Second by Strong. Okay.
» Second by Strong. Okay.
Now I will call for the motion on the
first resolution.
>> Council member Gregory I.
» Council member Gregory I.
>> Council member Strong I.
» Council member Strong I.
>> Council member Bosch.
» Council member Bosch.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Council member Val.
» Council member Val.
>> No. Mayor Hammond.
» No. Mayor Hammond.
>> I.
» I.
>> Motion passes.
» Motion passes.
>> Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move
» Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move
that we approve the resolution 25XXX
B to approve the conditional use permit
24-10
for private meeting facility site plan
review 2413 for the physical changes to
the site and building.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by
» Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by
Bosch. Discussion.
>> Okay. Call for the question on that.
» Okay. Call for the question on that.
>> Council member Gregory.
» Council member Gregory.
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Bosch.
» Council member Bosch.
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Beal.
» Council member Beal.
>> No. Council member Strong.
» No. Council member Strong.
>> I.
» I.
>> Mayor Hammond.
» Mayor Hammond.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Motion passes.
» Motion passes.
>> Very good. Well, thank you.
» Very good. Well, thank you.
>> Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll
» Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll
take a recess.
church.
» Can everybody take their seats? We'll go
ahead and get started again.
[Music]
Okay, we'll go ahead and reconvene the
meeting if everybody take a quiet.
We'll begin with discussion items uh
tonight. Number one, it's going to be a
legislative update and review regarding
food truck regulations. So, who has
that? Warren
>> or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
» or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
Um, Warren Fre, community development
director. I'm just going to do a brief
introduction on this item. Um, we have
two of our city planners here tonight,
Katie Banister and Piper Smith. They've
both been working really hard to get
this item ready for um, discussion
tonight. So Piper will be making the
presentation, but both Piper and Katie
are available to answer questions as
they come up. So Piper, take it away.
>> Good evening, mayor and council members
» Good evening, mayor and council members
and audience here with us today. Um, I'm
here to discuss a the food truck
regulations update and review.
So what is a food truck?
Here are some examples of what we would
consider a food truck. Um, per our code,
it is defined as a vending vehicle
selling food and or beverages um in an
operable motorized coach or trailer with
a current DMV registration and a current
food safety permit acceptable to the St.
Louis Bispo County Health Service
Division. Um, as you can tell, these
photos reflect both trailers and trucks
themselves. So, the trailers are often
accompanied by personal vehicles.
What is not considered a food truck by
our code um are merchandise booths um
carts booths popups caterers selling
food. So these are non-motorized um
these often tend to be in public right
of way. Um therefore they do not fit
into the definition of what we consider
a food truck.
So the current city permitting process
step one is to obtain an approved mobile
food facility permit through the county
of St. less abyspo.
Then mobile food facility operators take
that county mobile food facility permit
and apply for a city business license to
operate within city limits.
That business license is routed to
industrial waste to acknowledge the fat,
oil, and grease and discharge
requirements. And it is routed to the
planning department to acknowledge
operational requirements and obtain the
appropriate food truck permit.
and renewal and inspection is required
every year for both that mobile food
facility permit and the business
license.
So to touch on the first step, the
county of St. Louis Bispo public health
department mobile food facility permits.
I do want to emphasize that they
regulate food preparation, health and
safety and facility occupancy. They do
not regulate where or when they can
operate. That is to the discretion of
the jurisdiction they are within. They
are also required to submit a restroom
use agreement annually if they're
conducting business on a site for 1 hour
or more. Um, and that restroom must be
in 200 ft proximity to the vehicle um,
and available for use for employees and
contain um, appropriate hand sanit hand
sanitizing facilities.
In addition to that, a commissary use
agreement is required to be submitted
annually and this acknowledges the food
truck storage, waste disposal and
servicing and cleaning facility. So upon
obtaining that mobile food facility
permit, you are acknowledging that you
are working in conjunction with a
commissary use or you have an
alternative approved commissary or food
preparation facility in conjunction with
your food truck. Here on the image of
the right, you can see that every food
truck that has received a health permit
through the county of St. Louis Bispo is
required to have a sticker similar to a
DMV registration sticker with the
expiration date, the date of permitting,
and it's very clearly displayed on the
truck during all hours of operation.
So within title 21, the zoning code,
food truck food trucks fit into four
tiers. So there is the short-term which
is a single vehicle operating on one
location 7 days or less they are
required to have that business tax
certificate and um acknowledge the
operational requirements for food trucks
which we'll get into. Then moving to the
second tier if a food truck is operating
between 7 days but no more than a year
they are required to obtain a temporary
use permit through the planning
department. It is approved through staff
level review um as well as have that tax
certificate and acknowledge those
requirements. In the long term is a
single vehicle operating one location
one year or more. This requires a site
plan approval through development review
committee
and require a tax certificate and those
operational requirements.
And lastly, we do have food truck courts
which are two or more trucks operating
on a single site. This does not
acknowledge any specific time limit, but
it is subject to a conditional use
permit approval through planning
commission in addition to having that
tax certificate and meet those
requirements outlined in the guidelines.
I do want to note that there has not
been an active site plan or conditional
use permit since the code update. Um, so
we have been mostly focusing on the
short-term and the medium-term food
truck operations.
So the operational guidelines required
for all food trucks operating within
city limits are as followed. They must
be located on private property. So they
are not allowed to be in public
rightways.
They are required to get property owner
written approval. So this is different
from the business owner um approval that
may be operating on site. They can be
different in some cases. So we do
require property owner written approval.
They have to be accessory to a permanent
commercial business. Um so if it is a
vacant lot or if the business is going
out of business um that would not be
allowed. They have to be on paved
surface parking. Um so they cannot be on
um gravel. However, if it is an approved
parking service that is allowed.
They are required to remove all litter
uh within a 25 perimeter and on
property.
They are not allowed to discharge any
liquid on site during operation. That is
part of the commissary use. Um staff did
determine that no temporary shade
structures are allowed. Um this is to
kind of reduce the encroachment onto
those parking surfaces and parking um
existing commercial spaces as well as
comply to the county of St. Fispo's
requirement of no food preparation
outside of the mobile food facility.
Food trucks are also subject to the
noise provision of the zoning code
chapter 2182. Um something that has been
brought to light during this discussion
in internal review is at first it was
staff made the determination that
generators commonly used for food trucks
do not meet those guidelines. Um
typically so in the uptown and the
commercial zone properties the evening
decibel levels about 55
um normal average generators
output about 70 to 100 dB. There are
inverters that are in that 50 to 70
range. That is something I wanted to
bring to the council's attention to
discuss tonight.
They are required to establish hours of
operation. However, there is not a set
maximum or minimum.
They cannot impact circulation,
nor can they block any points of ingress
or egress.
And no overnight equipment storage is
allowed. So again, in conjunction with
needing a commissary or equivalent
approved by county of slow, um they
cannot store equipment on that site
they're operating on.
So here we have a map of some of the
common locations that food trucks have
been noted around the city. Um there are
currently 23 active food truck business
tax certificates. Um in the past 3
months, April to June, there were about
36 code compliance cases regarding
mobile vendors. The map displays you can
really see and they tend to be along
major corridors. So you have Spring,
Cresten, Niblick, Union. Um these are
all areas where again they've just been
kind of spotted out and about and have
brought to attention to by our
department.
So some challenges that code compliance
has faced um we adopted the food truck
regulations in around October of 2024.
Previously, they were under the umbrella
of temporary food service. And although
if they operated for over seven days,
they were still required to abide by the
temporary use permit requirements in
terms of not having any adverse effect
on the zoning or impacting public health
and safety as well as any other
conditions staff deemed appropriate for
that temporary use permit. They did not
have their own section in the code
specifically for food trucks that we
defined earlier.
So, something that code compliance has
brought to our attention um is they were
having typic difficulty enforcing and
regulating the 7-day time limit and what
permit they needed. Um so, during
internal discussion, they did deem that
needing a temporary use permit or um
those higher up site plans, condition
use permit based on the specific request
uh may be a good use for all food trucks
in order to have those regulations on
site. Make sure that the operator
acknowledges those necessary
operating requirements um and not have
to continually keep track of a 7-day
time frame and track where these
specific companies and trucks are.
So through discussion uh staff has taken
some action
preemptively to any sort of changes. Um
we have created a web page dedicated
specifically to food trucks. So this
outlines the operational guidelines,
what is and is not allowed, as well as
the application and material for
permits. We are also working on updating
a dedicated food truck temporary use
permit application so that operators can
acknowledge those requirements before
obtaining any permit um knowing kind of
what to expect through that review
process.
Similarly, we are creating a permit that
is to be kept on site during operation.
So while code compliance goes out and
communicates and facilitates discussion
with these operators, they have a permit
on site with them. They can go through
and ensure that they're meeting all
requirements.
Internally, we are also creating shared
databases and tracking to ensure that we
are all on the same page of who's
allowed to be where and what we have
going on in the city. Um, as well as
other ongoing process improvements and
more to be made following this
discussion tonight.
So the option city council has tonight
is to receive and file this report
direct staff to return to city council
with an amendment to pastor robel's
municipal code section food trucks and
food truck court requiring tup for all
food trucks operating within pass robels
to establish an ad hoc committee of the
city council to facilitate a more
focused review um gather additional
input for food trucks or provide
alternative feedback or direction to
staff recommendation is option two to
direct staff to return to city council
with that amendment. Um to require a
temporary use permit for all food trucks
operating within pass robels and any
other amendment city council may want to
pursue. Again, this would require staff
to come back to city council. So, no
immediate changes would be made to the
code. Or option three, establish an ad
hoc committee of the city council to
facilitate a more focused review and
gather additional input.
And any questions?
>> All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up
» All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up
on my left. Anyone start?
>> Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you
» Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you
so much for that presentation. It
actually looks like some points are
being clarified from some of the early
iterations of the website. I have some
process and content questions. Um,
in and this might be a question for
Katie or Warren, I don't know who, but
in the development of this ordinance,
did the consultant or staff
or planning commission consult with any
operators of a food truck just to kind
of ground truth how this might work and
if it might work.
>> So, the temporary use permit standards
» So, the temporary use permit standards
were adopted with the grand overhaul of
the zoning code. It was a very small
chapter within a lot of what we were
doing. Previous to that, previous to
putting it in the code, we were we staff
had made an interpretation that these
were um uh um temporary food service and
we were issuing temp uh temporary use
permits and routinely using these
requirement, you know, putting these
requirements on food trucks. So, we put
them into the zoning code so that
council could say, "Yes, this is the
appropriate these are the appropriate
conditions for a food truck." And so,
now they are in the code. They have been
the practice the policy of the city for
some time but um but they're now in the
code right so this was adopted in
October
um did was any effort made to reach out
to
uh operators business owners around that
time beginning of the year was there any
effort to reach out to HBA to get
information out or try to educate the
people that are affected by this
>> so even though the code is new the
» so even though the code is new the
standards have been the same so when
someone comes in for a business license,
we ask them if they intend to operate
some somewhere for a period of time and
we were routinely told no, they were not
going to operate in one location. So, we
were not issuing very many temporary use
permits, but but folks when they came in
for a business license were asked that
information.
>> Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the
» Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the
complaints that you'd gotten. So, April,
May, it sounds like can you characterize
in general what they looked like?
Yeah. So PD um held most of the
complaints that were received and a lot
of those only via statistical data was
passed all along as well as kind of um
through the grapevine just general
curiosity and understanding. Um so it
was more we got involved in the
conversation of the police department
wanting to better communicate to um
mobile vendors and food truck operators
of those guidelines. So, a lot of um
curiosity about what are these new
guidelines, how do I comply, what
department do I have to go to? In terms
of specific complaints, um there are
none that I necessarily had received.
So, we had uh new new code in October,
complaints, springish,
enforcement
happening actively in Julyish.
And when did the website get get uh
started?
>> Um I we put it together a couple weeks
» Um I we put it together a couple weeks
ago and then we uh it went live maybe
two weeks ago um in an effort to
communicate.
>> Right. So the website went live after
» Right. So the website went live after
the enforcement began
>> after we started receiving complaints
» after we started receiving complaints
and it became an issue of concern.
Was the website available when you
started calling people to tell them that
they had new new rules that they had to
follow? No, we did have handouts that we
gave people at the counter when they
came in. We had them translated um both
in English and Spanish. So when they
came in for a business license, we would
give that information, but we did not
have a website. No.
>> Okay. So I mean I have other sort of
» Okay. So I mean I have other sort of
details, but overall
I just think that um
I'll save my comments for later. So
thank you,
>> Councilman Strong.
» Councilman Strong.
>> Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that
» Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that
I'm only acquainted with one site very
well. That's site number 12 on your map.
Okay. And site number 12, we have two
interesting situations. And I'm
wondering about some of your
regulations. So, one of one of these
vehicles uh doesn't prepare any food at
all. They are just selling snacks out
out of a a permanent location. I mean,
it's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, but it's not motorized and it's
not hooked up to any vehicle. It's just
sitting there. And it's only open in the
afternoons, evenings. as like snacks for
after after work things like that or
people over in the mobile home park etc.
The other one is only there a few days a
week and only during basic basically
lunch hour an extended lunch hour for a
number of of businesses there that have
manufacturing. They have large employee
number of employees but no cafeterias no
lunchroom no place for them to get food
except something like this. So, uh, it
is motorized, but the parking lot is
either a travel way or parking spaces
that's paved. They're on a a graveled or
level area that isn't paved, but it's
the only one that doesn't impact the
parking or or travel ways. So, I'm
wondering why would that be a problem?
>> So, for the first scenario, um, the
» So, for the first scenario, um, the
county of St. Bispo would categorize
permanent as a um unenclosed mobile food
facility and those tend to be more um
packaged foods like you were saying
pre-prepared. Um they do have a little
bit more guidelines. So as previously
mentioned um these requirements are
strictly for on private property
motorized um enclosed mobile food
facilities by using county of St. Louis
Bispo's definition. Um therefore, if it
were to fit into C the category of um uh
sidewalk fending, then we may put it
into another boxy. For your second um
example, that is where the discussion
with code compliance comes in of as long
as they are able to acknowledge um the
requirements and say we have a temporary
use permit for all operators for
understanding those guidelines. Um that
tracking of who's where would be a
little bit more efficient. um in terms
of making recommendations on the
operational guidelines and that is to
the city council today to see if maybe
um parking surface or material is
something for consideration.
>> Okay. And I'm wondering about this the
» Okay. And I'm wondering about this the
shade structure.
It gets very hot in the middle of the
summer here. Shade structure is
something that protects people's health.
>> Why would that not be allowed if it was
» Why would that not be allowed if it was
properly secured?
>> Can you speak on that? Um so it was
» Can you speak on that? Um so it was
mostly in terms of similar to your
previous point um encroaching on that
parking spaces and some concern that
we've been brought up about um competing
with brick and mortar businesses not
creating a restaurant-like environment
in open spaces.
>> What if it didn't encroach on any
» What if it didn't encroach on any
parking though
>> for that one?
» for that one?
>> What if it didn't encroach on any
» What if it didn't encroach on any
parking?
>> That would be yeah up to consideration
» That would be yeah up to consideration
again for city council recommendation.
And so then if it would possibly be
allowed.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you very much.
» Okay. Thank you very much.
>> Okay. I'll start with Councilman Bosch.
» So thank you for for the research and
presenting. I have a question regarding
um one of your suggestions for
consideration and that's the ad hoc
committee forming a two member ad hoc
committee. Okay. Okay, so I get that for
Brown Act violations, but why only or it
says here solely of two city council
members
uh can site numerous examples of having
members of the public be part of the ad
hoc committee in the past? Um your
what's the nexus of of just limiting it
to city council?
>> Council, you can can establish the ad
» Council, you can can establish the ad
hoc with whatever membership you would
like to to have that. You know, this was
one suggestion of how we might tackle
the the issue.
>> I if we go down that path, I just see
» I if we go down that path, I just see
lots of of of people on both sides of
the question out here in the audience
tonight that I would really like to
value their input on an ad hoc
committee.
>> A benefit of an ad hoc committee would
» A benefit of an ad hoc committee would
allow for public input and participation
in any meetings.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel
» Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel
members on a uh subcommittee, then it
becomes a brown act committee and all
meetings would have to be noticed.
that that didn't seem to be a problem
with the parking committee. So, yeah, I
I'd acknowledge that. And
>> and and I guess if I could, I would just
» and and I guess if I could, I would just
add to the thought process behind that
was to just to create some clarity that
the committee would be made up of the
two council members, but that the public
would be able to participate. It it was
it was staff's intent though that the
membership of the committee is just the
two members. Just for clarity sake,
who's on the committee? Who's off the
committee? I'll tell you going through
the the the parking ad hoc there I think
was some confusion on who is technically
a part of that committee and this was a
way to just clarify that the two council
members of the committee and that the
public will be able to have full
participation.
>> Not not to put too fine a point on it
» Not not to put too fine a point on it
but I I'm just very sensitive to the to
the appearance of of transparency in
everything that that this council does.
>> Agreed. And I think that's why we went
» Agreed. And I think that's why we went
down to the level of detailing what we
thought would be the best recommendation
for this this committee should it be
formed.
>> Prote.
» Prote.
>> Yes. Um thank you for your your work in
» Yes. Um thank you for your your work in
your report. Um, so I don't want to
point out a food truck in particular,
but there's something missing for one of
our very I would call state-of-the-art
food trucks, and that is somebody who
goes and pulls up to the baseball fields
and provides food for the kids and
parents that play. And it's on a
concrete. It's on an asphalt surface,
but it's next to a field. There's no
businesses around there. And it provides
an incredible service. and benefit for
the public. And so I think that's one of
the things that we could address maybe
as an ad hoc or something because and I
don't know how you deal with that but
maybe recreational events or something
like that. So um I just wanted to make a
question was that considered in your
thoughts?
>> Yes. So community events um are
» Yes. So community events um are
permitted through the parks and
recreation department and so food trucks
in conjunction to those events tend to
be permitted through that department.
Okay. We are currently working through a
little bit of a gray area of what if
it's not a community event but on city
property and determining the best path
to move forward with those very specific
cases.
>> Very good. That answers my question.
» Very good. That answers my question.
Thank you.
>> Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a
» Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a
little bit about location and uh the way
I believe this works is that the food
truck has to have permission of the
property owner that they're sitting on.
Um and we call that as a city one
location. In other words, um up to 7
days they can be in that location, but
if they move the truck slightly off of
that location physically to the maybe
the other end of the property, does that
constitute a change in location or is it
still as far as the city's concerning
one location?
>> In our eyes, it has just constituted as
» In our eyes, it has just constituted as
one location being within the premise.
um say a food truck exceeds that 7-day
limit and they do come in for a
temporary use permit. They are required
to provide a site plan showing the
location of that um food truck mostly to
comply with the no blocking egress or
the circulation. Um however, that would
be something to take into consideration,
>> right? And then the other thing too is
» right? And then the other thing too is
you know if they park their
vehicle right on the property line and
then you have the sidewalk right there.
Um that is there what kind of scenario
does the city have to regulate something
like that where the patrons of that
service truck is going to obviously be
uh people impacting walking on the
sidewalk to get around the people that
are waiting for you know food. How does
that work in regard to
>> that's definitely the the reason that we
» that's definitely the the reason that we
process these temporary use permits and
get a site plan is so that we can make
sure that as Piper said they're not
blocking an emergency access and that
they're not you know too close to the
sidewalk, they're not too close to a gas
dispensing
you know the gas valve um those kinds of
things. So that's what we're
troubleshooting for by asking for a site
plan. So, what it sounds to me is the
staff is definitely looking to have some
sort of a temporary uh tool, temporary
use permit tool to regulate and to be
able to handle this. And I imagine the
36 complaints that we've had are related
to location and and being close to other
things that they're impacting that. Is
that the reason for bringing this up? I
guess that staff would like to have more
clarity.
>> We we can assume so. I think the biggest
» We we can assume so. I think the biggest
point to consider is the um transparency
and the communication between both the
community development department, the
police department and food truck
operators and ensuring that um those
operational requirements are being
followed through on um and communicating
effectively in terms of what permit do I
need, how do I obtain this, what viable
sites there are for to meeting those
requirements and so forth.
So it comes down to the question I guess
uh you know we could go with an ad hoc
uh or we can actually work it within
council to give you direction on what to
do to come back for future meeting.
Those are basically the two things
tonight.
>> Yes. And one way to consider it is say
» Yes. And one way to consider it is say
you are prepared to make a determination
on how you would like staff to be move
forward and come back to council. Um
that could be first recommendation of um
approving the directing staff to make
different motions and come back. Um and
that ad hoc committee could be you want
to stew on it. You want to discuss a
little bit more. You want to get a
little bit more public and staff input
before then um giving staff direction.
>> Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.
» Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.
We'll talk about that later. Um Chris B.
Uh I have a question on um with the the
permission of the property owner if if a
property and this might be a better
question for for council uh legal
counsel. Um if a if a business has a
triple net lease, we'll say and they
control all facets of the property. Why
do we require the property owners
permission?
We would definitely accept some sort of
authorization if they showed us a lease
that showed this that they had the right
to to make those kinds of signatures. We
would absolutely accept. Okay. Yeah.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Okay. Good.
» Okay. Good.
>> Anyone else?
» Anyone else?
>> Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll
» Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll
go ahead come up and we'll talk about
this item. First up, Linda.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
I'll be fast. Linda George, 3126 Spring
Street. Um,
food carts are not in this ordinance.
I came tonight. I'm actually excited
about this. I really believe in the food
vendors and the food carts because, you
know, I I don't want to tell anybody how
to make their money and um, I know some
of the food carts have been connected to
the cartel in the larger cities. The
benefit is is we don't have to redo
this. If we get LA's ordinances,
um, Oakland's ordinances, San
Francisco's ordinance on their food
vendors and their cards, then we can do
a really good foundation so that this
doesn't become like the short-term
rentals where regulation becomes a
problem later. So, I came simply tonight
to say I recommend the ad hoc committee
for no more than 6 months. I think 6
months is enough for everybody in this
room. and then to add food carts into
this and and then everybody will feel
that they've been heard. That's all.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Welcome.
» Good evening, Mayor Hammond, members of
the council. My name is Bill Sailor. I
reside at 1824 Ponderosa Lane. My wife
and I own and operate Yaba Dogs and
Catering.
Um, I wrote all these thoughts, but I I
need to address some things here.
I'm looking at
what was in your packet, the staff
report.
It says temporary shade structures.
Temporary shade structure shall be
removed whenever the food truck is not
in operation.
That's not what that says up there. It
says no. Period. So, what you have in
your ordinances that were approved in
October of 2024 or yeah, 24 is different
than what we're all seeing up here right
now,
which is kind of confusing if you're the
food truck owner operator. Secondly, we
started our business in 1986.
We've had a city of Paso's business
license every year since. I have never
had anybody approach me and say, "Where
are you going to be located?
How many days of a week are you going to
be there?" The current ordinances that
are in place are not even being
enforced,
which I have to question.
I'm sorry, but I do. Um,
in the report it also says that staff
has taken steps to outreach to the
community of food vendors.
Well, the first thing I heard about food
truck issues and that there was going to
be a meeting. I received a postcard in
the mail on Janu July 28th. That was
last Monday. That was the first time I'd
ever heard that this was even an issue.
First time I heard that there was
actually ordinances.
I received a phone call on Thursday,
July 28th from a member of the Pasro
Police Department
telling me that I was not in compliance
and that I was going to have to apply
for a TUP,
temporary use permit.
She asked me for my email address. I
gave it to her. Today is August 5th. I
haven't received anything yet.
Um,
in the third paragraph of the analysis
and conclusion
um
portion of the
Now I got to find it. Excuse me for just
a second.
in the third paragraph of the analysis
and conusion uh conclusions.
>> Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you
» Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you
would.
>> Yeah, I just want to I want to point
» Yeah, I just want to I want to point
this out. Conversely, local restaurants
have expressed concerns about food
trucks undercutting their businesses
with lower overhead cost.
There's two business models here, brick
and mortar and food trucks.
You chose as a restaurant to open up
brick and mortar. That was your choice.
It was my choice to open up a food
truck. I didn't open it up to undercut
your business. I opened it up because I
wanted to have my own business.
That um I'll just let it go from there.
I just I think that the city council
needs to approve the uh going with the
ad hoc.
>> Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually
» Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually
have input from the business people.
>> Very good. Thank you.
» Very good. Thank you.
>> Welcome.
» Welcome.
>> Hello everybody. My name is Jerry
» Hello everybody. My name is Jerry
Torres. I'm business owner on 1463
Kristen Road
this way. Uh my concerns as well is as
everybody here is legally have done all
the food parts properly. We've noticed
that there's a lot that come from LA and
different parts and taken up a lot of
the business that we have. We just
recently opened on Spring Street and
down the road on 34th in Crestston as
well as the park on 36. They keep
posting up these mobile food, not
trucks, but carts and they're doing
everything. So, as the pictures that
were showing up there, which one are the
ones that are correct and the ones that
are not? Those are the ones that are
coming in and embarking a lot especially
in the summer and taking up a lot of the
business as well as where for them that
are doing it right following the right
protocols and going through the right
processes makes it so difficult and hard
for us and as well as brick and mortar
like the gentleman was saying there's
two options to do it but doing it the
right way whereas unfortunately they're
coming in and taking everything and you
know making it difficult for all of us
in regards to us going through the
health department working with the
police department. Unfortunately,
they're only here until 4:00 and after
that there's they gotten smart enough to
show up in all these places and taking
it up at Barney's at the park in 36 as
well as 34th and so on. They did a great
job with NibLick and everything on here
with those um fruit stands, but they've
realized that they're moving and what
we've talked to the health department.
They've started from Saliso going all
the way up and looks like we're doing a
great job, but it's getting to the edge.
They're moving into San Miguel. Um, but
that's what I wanted to say here. Thank
you for your time.
>> Thank you.
» Welcome.
» Uh, Edardoard Santiago, private citizen.
Um, first of all, I would like to thank
uh the council uh for giving us the
opportunity uh to speak. Um, I would
just like to uh urge uh staff to uh be
transparent about what these fees for
the permits will be used and also um
inquire whether there would be an
analysis of some sort of what um the
impact uh food trucks have on brick and
mortar and how that friction can be
alleviated. Thank you.
>> Thank you,
» Maria. Welcome.
>> Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the
» Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the
Hispanic Business Association.
Um, one thing I just the first time we
heard about this situation was um on
Facebook and a lot of the food trucks
calling us. Um, I don't feel that um the
HBA was giving any heads up. I wish that
we could have been included in the
community outreach. Um we get a lot of
um our members are calling us and asking
us what's going on and um we didn't we
just said come to the meeting tonight.
We posted it on our website. We post it
on our Facebook page and so we I would
like to see an ad hoc committee so we
can get some more of the input from from
our members and from the food truck that
are here tonight. Thank you for
listening.
>> Thank you.
Welcome.
>> Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just
» Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just
speaking in behalf of the food truck
vendors. Again, some of us, you know, we
try to again go by the rules, get our
business licenses, be on the partner's
property, and somehow like the other
person were saying, we were removed from
where we were because of certain
circumstances. Like here I was on a
singular location and somehow there's a
gas station. There was something with a
generator. So I talked to the owner
about getting a plugin so there be no
noise and still somehow the regulations
are very hard for some of us. So being
removed and there's a lot of vendors
they're not following you know the
guidelines like we are but somehow we
were removed. We want to know if there's
a way uh you guys can see more in
consideration of all the food truck
vendors trying to follow the guidelines
and we can somehow get places we can be
sitting at and you know uh be okay so
the city council will follow up on this
and give us more of an issue regarding
to the food truck vendors that we're
trying to get all the guidelines going
around. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Welcome.
>> Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna
» Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna
Rodriguez. I am the owner of a
restaurant at 1214 Pine Street in Paso.
Um, we have proudly been serving the
community for 27 years myself for the
past four years. So, I'm newer to the
scene and to the existing competition
between brick and mortar restaurants,
um, park events, community events, the
fair, being a rob, all of the movings
and goings of the, um, of the community.
Um but I am very watchful and open to
all perspectives of um our
relationships.
Um I
have been invested in creating a
location that um invests into the heart
of our city. Um it contributes jobs. It
contributes um to the vibrancy and
characters that draw locals and tourists
alike to our downtown corridor. Um I
really appreciate the initiation of this
conversation. I think the transparency
and the movement towards
making success, whether it's small or
large or medium, making success
accessible to every person is incredibly
important. Whether you have the ability
to fill out all of these forms digitally
or you're writing it down, um,
accessibility is in very important. So,
the addition of that website is great.
I've been googling it and looking for
the information for a long time and now
it's there. So, thank you for that step.
Um,
the brick andmortar restaurants in the
BIA do take on an additional substantial
and ongoing 50%
higher in um, business license fees. We
are part of um the assessments that fund
our city and infrastructure and vents.
Even at a state level, we are incurring
costs for tourism to California which
are benefiting everyone. So I feel like
it is important to have a clear um
regulation and conversation about where
food trucks can be um invited to sell. I
go to them. I love them. They're part of
me. But I also have to protect um my
competitive spirit in this situation.
Um, I highly encourage the council to
create an ad hoc committee to include
members of um, I mean, even as a
football mom, you know, I wouldn't
really want a burger truck outside of
the um, hound hut. I'm grand, sorry. Um,
out of the hound hut because we're going
to be competing on um, our audience of
who's going to be buying and supporting
our hounds as well. Um, so this isn't a
call to eliminate food trucks. I just
want to um make sure that we have a
thoughtful balance between us. Um you
know, brick and mortar are really
important downtown especially. I'm not
saying this is a nimi thing, not in my
backyard. I don't want them. But if we
have an absence of those locations and
open storefronts, that's a detriment to
our economy and to our city as a whole.
So, thank you for your time and I look
forward to being involved in.
>> Thank you,
» Francisco.
Thank you, uh, mayor and council
members. Francisco Ramirez, resident of
Paso Roles, also with the Hispanic
Business Association.
Um, so, um, like like Maria mentioned
earlier. Um, look at this place right
now. Look at the time it is right now.
Um, I want to ask your permission, city
council, if I can also translate
something uh to to to them, to our
people that's here, to our guests that
are Spanish speaking with your
permission. Um, cuz I know we all we all
get 3 minutes, but in translation time
goes by. Um, so if if it's allowed, I I
will do so to everyone that's here so
they can also understand uh what's going
on right now. Also, if I may,
>> if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.
» if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.
>> Okay.
foreign.
Soch.
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Um,
Okay. Um, so I I mentioned that
something that we all want because I
spoken to them like Maria said, we've
been getting phone calls um the last two
weeks about this. Um, and something that
they mentioned and has been brought up
is they
they want clarity.
They want to know what permits are
needed, where to go apply for the
permits, what can be done, and what
regulations are going to happen so that
there's less confusion. Cuz like earlier
they said, um, you guys started this in
October 2012. Uh and then again in April
and then enforcement started in July.
Some of them came to me saying, "Hey, uh
uh Francisco, I I got a fine that the
the police department came by and they
said I couldn't be at the parking lot.
I've been there. I got permission from
from from the owner, from the manager,
and then they came back and said I
couldn't be there doing business and
I've been doing it, and I got all my
other permits. I got my health permit. I
got my business permit, but they're
saying it's not." So they're they're
they're asking they they all are here
and they want clarity. They want to
continue to do business and they want
clarity from you guys saying where do I
get the permit? How do I go about and
what need what can we do to continue
doing business? Um so that's that's what
everybody's asking. Um some of the
things the points I want to um bring up
uh there was a issue I read um or or was
reported by staff about the restrooms.
Um restrooms uh because I I I help out
some restaurants also that has to do
with food prepping not at the location
where the food is being. It's just being
heated up and served. So that that part
I disagree with. uh having to need
restrooms at these locations where the
food prepping is not being done. They
already have a health permit to provide
food for their food trucks and that's
where it's done. It's at commissary
location. Um so that does not go with
with this uh generators. Well, uh food
trucks, they need electricity. They
can't function without electricity
besides just the burners and the gas for
the for the grills. They also need
electricity to work in conjunction. So,
um I really disagree with the part about
generators not being able to have it
because you need electricity to work a
mobile unit. Um
shade structure like like uh council uh
Strong said um they need shade with this
hot weather especially in Pasoles. It's
hot all the time. We need that shade to
be protected. Um,
another note, yeah, I would like to be a
part of the Anthog Cut uh committee uh
as well as other stakeholders as as
mentioned before. Um, you know, and find
out about special events cuz we do uh
diutos here at the Pasrobo City Park
that the city gives us permission to do
so to celebrate culture and bring in
food and yaba dog has always been part
of us there. Um, and I would like to be
have that, you know, specified, you
know, well, we got permits to bring in,
uh, you know, food trucks to our events.
Does that also go with this? Um, one
more thing, can we also take into
consideration an outreach from
customers? Are you just getting
complaints from uh, you know, certain
restaurant owners or businesses? Well,
are we getting any complaints from
customers? Thank you, Francis Ramirez.
Thank you.
Welcome.
>> Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco
» Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco
Maris Elgordo. I do have a question. We
already have the permit. We're not
against doing any type of permits that
is required. But if the property owner
is giving us a space where we can put
tables and we can be there and set up
and do whatever we need to do cuz
they're charging rent from us. We're not
just sitting there and not paying. We're
paying rent. We're paying electricity.
We're we we have to have the generators.
Uh we also pay for the commercial
kitchen that we rent in order to be uh
having the health department and all the
requirements. We don't mind doing all
the permits that are u needed. The only
thing is that what that has to do with
us having a table there for our
customers cuz they request they're like,
"Oh, do you need a table so we can have
a drink while we wait for the food? and
they request for shade and like it's hot
and uh that's the only thing that it
comes to me like if we're paying the
property owner they giving us a letter
they give us certain space and like
accommodations for us to be there why
can't we use the space to in order to
bring people to us to pay our rent cuz
it's not cheap $1,500 a month and that's
just to be there making food. We pay
another eight to a,000 for the uh
commercial kitchen. It's not cheap. And
to right now to run business, it's not
an easy like sometimes we go in park, we
only make $100, $150.
Not every day is uh productive and we
still have to be paying rent in order to
be there. That's that's my concern. And
if we we could do the permits, we don't
mind, but we need like accommodations
for us to in order to make the money. We
still pay sales tax. We still pay the
city permit, health department permits,
everything else that it comes to it. And
it's not cheap. It adds up. Even if us
having tables, canopies, and everything,
everything costs money. and we try to
accommodate people, but we need some
sort of uh regulations, too. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Karina.
Anyone else?
>> Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back
» Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back
to anyone online.
>> I have several callers online. Uh first
» I have several callers online. Uh first
is Jeffrey Weisinger.
Uh
>> Jeffrey, can you hear us?
» Jeffrey, can you hear us?
>> Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.
» Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.
>> Yes. Go ahead. Um,
» Yes. Go ahead. Um,
uh, yeah. Uh, thank you. I'm sorry I
couldn't be there, uh, in person. I was,
uh, at another event supporting other
local businesses. And, uh, as you guys
have, uh, been able to see, this is a
important issue in our community. Uh, I
want to start out by advocating for
option three, the ad hoc committee. I
think this is probably one of the
easiest decisions that we need to make.
uh we're dealing with uh so many
people's lives, livelihoods in the
community uh that there is a lot more to
talk about than than we can even begin
to address at this at this meeting. So,
an opportunity to be able to put an ad
hoc committee to uh get community
members involved. Uh if I may speak, uh
as the president of the Pastor Downtown
Main Street Association board of
directors, we didn't get a chance to
have a discussion on this. Um, and I
think it's really important that the
main street association as a whole be
able to have time to uh talk amongst
ourselves, talk amongst our uh our
business uh members and the community on
uh how we can advocate for the main
street association and find out from our
members what their opinions and views
are on the food truck ordinance. Uh now
speaking and as a restaurant owner in in
downtown Paso, uh I am a food service
professional for over 35 years and had a
brick and have had a brick and mortar in
Paso, downtown Paso for eight years and
had a food service uh catering business
for 10 years leading up to that. So, uh,
I'd like to think I'm pretty well
verssed in the rules and regulations
that our county provides for food
service organiz uh, operations, but, uh,
the fact that, uh, as some of the other
folks have have spoken on, the current
ordinance is really not being enforced,
um, until apparently recently. But
recently it's been uh I guess that's
maybe why this came out. But uh this is
a really important topic to a lot of
people in in our community and I would
strongly advocate for an opportunity to
get an ad hoc committee together and
reach out to the community while leaving
the existing rules and regulations in
place. Also I might advocate for uh
continued enforcement. Uh the food
safety is extremely important to me as a
food service professional, as a
restaurant tour. And uh unfortunately,
we've we've heard some from from some
folks that uh they're not quite savvy on
what the rules and regulations are. And
I think it's extremely important in the
food service business to make sure that
you are aware of every rule and
regulation. And uh Pastor Robus as a
city council can help us out a great
deal by
setting a solid ordinance getting
community feedback and and moving
forward with uh the opportunity to uh
take this conversation to a deeper level
and and try to solve the problem to the
best of our abilities with more
community input.
>> All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.
» All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Anyone else online?
» Anyone else online?
>> Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.
» Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.
>> Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you
» Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you
hear us? Go ahead.
>> Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.
» Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.
Um, I have a couple of questions and a
couple of concerns. Um, I don't have a
problem with food trucks, us having food
trucks, but I I want you to think back
to the short-term rental situation where
it was years before the city finally put
some rules and regulations into place to
limit them because the number of them
and where they were located and how they
were being run was simply out of
control. And if you don't get something
done pretty quickly about regulating
food trucks, that that's exactly what's
going to happen. We're going to have,
you know, 300 food trucks in every
vacant parking lot uh owned by someone.
Um they're going to be everywhere. And
the the part about that, not just the
number of them, is who's going to
monitor them? I've asked the question
before when we know that there are
illegal short-term rentals being run.
The answer is always we don't have the
staff to monitor that. Well, who's going
to monitor the food trucks? Who's going
to make sure that everybody's health
certificate is up to date? We have one
health inspector, as I understand it, in
the county who and it's just not enough.
So, I I absolutely advocate for an ad
hoc committee, but that's one of the
things that that ad hoc needs to be
paying attention to is once you get the
rules and regulations into place, how
are you going to monitor it? Who's going
to monitor it? When everything that
happens in this town is complaintdriven,
we are not proactive. We act on
complaints.
then you're putting the burden on people
to complain and try to get something
done. So, thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Anyone else on the online?
» Thank you. Anyone else on the online?
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>> I do have another caller, Terry Smith.
» I do have another caller, Terry Smith.
>> Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.
» Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.
>> Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,
» Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,
I agreed with the last caller, last two
callers. Um, everybody loves their food
trucks, but everybody needs to go on to
the California Department of Public
Health. All the regulations are there
and
it's changed over the last few years
under Gavin Newsome. Um, pretty soon
you're going to see not only food
trucks, you're going to see push carts,
you're going to see
all different kinds of things coming in.
And the regulations need to be strict.
There is a reason for a a bathroom. It's
not just for bathroom facilities. It's
for handwashing facilities. You can't
have a three compartment sink or a two
compartment sink in a trailer, but not
have a handwashing facility in there.
It's very important to follow the rules
and it's not going to get better, it's
going to get worse. And where do you
stop? We're going to stop at 30, 40, 60.
There's a reason for the for the rules
and everybody needs to follow them. And
thank you KPRO for bringing this up.
It's very important. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?
» Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?
>> No, sir.
» No, sir.
>> Okay. Now we'll open the public one more
» Okay. Now we'll open the public one more
time for in-house.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the
» Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the
Guacamole Mexican food. I just want to
thank everybody who took the time to be
in here because, you know, it's so hard
right now with this time uh having a
business. And then with all all of these
regulations, we understand and then we
agree. We want to do everything right.
Um I have been going with the with the
city department. I want to make sure
that we're doing every single thing that
we can. But you know what? Every day is
different. There's a lot of
contradictions. We just want to make
sure that we're following the rules.
Just let us know what we need because
I'm pretty sure every single person
here, we want to do right. We want to do
everything right because each day is
something different. We receive a phone
call. Oh, now you need this. Now you
need that. So I'm here uh speaking in
behalf of my my u you know all of the
food persons um because we want to be
equal to to have the opportunities and
then I also I'm just requesting
have everything you know on paper you
need this you need that and then also be
fair you know as my my my people is
telling we need seats for people that
they want to just wait for their food
and then outside is so hot. We just need
like some tents or something just for
for them to to not be on the heat
because a lot of people they go just go
walking. They they don't have a cars,
you know. We just want to make sure that
we want to do the best service for them.
And then also
um we don't want to steal anybody's
business from the restaurants or
nothing. Each one is has the different
um um like services. If if I go to a
restaurant, it's because I want to sit
down and eat, have a good time, but
there's a lot of people there in the go
like really quick and they don't have
time to be sitting down in a restaurant.
So, we just want to be, you know, part
of the a community and then like serve
and then we don't want to steal nobody's
nobody's job. We just want to here to um
to support and then also we pay taxes.
We pay every single thing as a
restaurant. Um we just you know we need
um we're serving different things and
then as you know we just need um
everything to be clear. We can follow
the rules and then we can all be on the
same page and then believe me we all pay
rent. We all pay the every single thing
as a restaurant do. So, if you can just
please let us work, we can be, you know,
all on the same page. And thank you so
much for everything who came.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> All right. Anyone else? One more time.
» All right. Anyone else? One more time.
Oh, please.
Welcome.
Hi, my name is Luis Diaz and I own the
Mexican Futra Wenos and thank you for
everybody here tonight. But we
understand all the new roots coming up
you guys want to put in. But we would
like to see is anyway before
start a new rules or whatever lets
working with us uh with you know before
you start putting list. So let us
working right now the way it was before
because they hurt our business and also
if you guys put a new rules I would like
to see uh to tell the police or anybody
because after 5:00
whatever you call the police and you
tell hey I got this and this and they go
and they don't know what they don't know
any rules. So the only rules is the
people work in the morning 8 to 4 and
after 4:00 they don't know and they go
home and well I don't know and they
don't do anything. So and they want you
guys going to do fair so do fair for
everybody.
>> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> All right.
» All right.
>> Mayor Hammond.
» Mayor Hammond.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> I have another caller.
» I have another caller.
>> Okay. One more.
» Okay. One more.
>> Anna Mendes.
» Anna Mendes.
>> Ann
» Ann
>> Anna.
» Anna.
>> Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on
» Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on
one second.
There you go.
>> Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of
» Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of
all the opportunity for us as a business
owners uh to bring this topic up to us.
But I think it's very necessary. First
of all, um I heard in the beginning of
the conversation there were being some
complaints in regards of um how we
operate around the city. But uh if you
guys don't bring out those specific
complaints, how we all going to be aware
of that so we don't continue making
those um mistakes
for the future. Not just to bring it up
directly to the vendor when it's, you
know, the complaint it's for, but also
to let everybody know.
Um, in regards I heard u somebody saying
too that restrooms are not specifically
for um the
gosh for the uh customers but it's
always necessary too for employees. Um,
I really highly recommend everybody to
go back and look into the requirements
for the food truck in order to be in
compliance with all the requirements
that the city has.
» Okay. Is that your comment?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.
» Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.
>> Thank you. Okay.
» Thank you. Okay.
>> All right. Uh, any more? One more time,
» All right. Uh, any more? One more time,
Melissa, and we'll close it.
No.
>> Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back
» Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back
then to council then for discussion
here. Um heard a lot of testimony. I
think uh who would like to start off
with? Councilman Gregory.
>> First of all, I'd like to thank
» First of all, I'd like to thank
everybody for being here to help our uh
job get a little easier by working
together. So, um one of the things um I
think the ad hoc's a really good idea,
but I want to describe the ad hoc a
little bit. I think it's okay to have a
couple councilmen on it, but I think we
should have brick and mortar like
Jeffrey and Anna and several uh truck
owners like Mr. Sailor and that
gentleman right there. I don't know your
name. Sorry, but and Francisco. But I
think we need to get into a room with a
couple of our staff helping us write
things down where the issues are. And I
think we get to a conclusion pretty
easily. But I want to make sure whatever
we do, we allow the people to operate
that have permits currently so we don't
stop their progress because you have,
you know, we want to keep it going, but
at the same time, we'll work on getting
it better so everybody has clarity. And
it's really important that we have that
clarity because everybody can follow the
rules if everybody knows the rules and
it helps everybody from the city staff
to us up here and to the people who are
your customers. You know, everybody
wants to know it's a good place to eat,
it's safe place to eat. And um I like
Anna said a very nice comment in that
it's good for everybody. Let's just make
it work. So the boundaries are protected
for everybody, both the food trucks and
the brick and mortar and everybody's
communicating well together and figuring
it out. This is our town and you're our
friends and we're going to make it work
and the best way to do it is through ad
hoc. So,
>> Chris B.
» Chris B.
>> Thank you. Well said, Council Member
» Thank you. Well said, Council Member
Gregory. Um, thank you for everybody who
has been here um tonight, who's reached
out to talk about this. Um, we
appreciate your comments. We appreciate
your thoughts. We appreciate um the
difficulties that you go through,
whether you're a brick and mortar
business, whether you are a food truck,
uh whatever kind. It's not easy to be in
business in California or past robos. We
get it. Um I heard something new
tonight. Um I I knew we had two
different business models that I
appreciate. We have brick and mortar
that I absolutely love to go to. Uh but
I also enjoy our food trucks. Different
occasions. They're they're not they
serve two different needs that I have
and I appreciate that. Sometimes I need
to go sit down at a restaurant during
lunch with a client. Sometimes I want to
take my wife out to a nice dinner.
Sometimes I just want to go to a ball
game and and have a hot dog. Um those
are all good events. um the interlopers
that are coming in from out of town. And
I think that speaks to the heart of of
one of the critical issues that we we're
we really need our uh ad hoc committee
to to focus on and and that's the the
enforcement. Um I don't think it's it's
um it's it's fair or wise to put all the
blame on one uh entity, our police
department. uh we have uh need to
reconcile some of the contradictions
that are within our own code. I think
staff is well aware of that. I think
that is something the uh uh ad hoc
committee can can help with. U I would
hope that it would like council member
Gregory suggested it be not just limited
to city council but also from a
cross-section across our community.
um
the the issues that need to come back.
I'm not sure if ad hoc does this or if
ad hoc recommends this to to staff, but
bathrooms, shade structures, generators,
um you know, where uh how how does a
commissary come into play, especially
for out of town people? Obviously, they
don't have a commissary here locally.
Where is their food being prepared? Why
isn't the health department regulating
those guys? Uh how do we work better
with the county to make sure that this
gets enforced? We need a a kind of a a
cross-sectional team. It seems like
going forth. Not going to happen
overnight. Um I do think we need to
support our local residents. Uh we need
to figure out how best to do that. We
need help doing that. and I look forward
to working uh with each of you, whether
you're brick or and mortar, whether
you're a food truck, uh whether you're
just a resident that likes to go out and
eat and enjoy good food. So, thank you
very much,
>> Councilman Strong.
» Councilman Strong.
>> Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want
» Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want
us to be clear, we're talking about an
ad hoc committee. Remember what our city
manager and what our attorney has said,
that is two members of the council.
Period. If we include members of the
public in that committee, it becomes a
Brown Act standing committee and goes on
forever. So, if we're going to do this,
we can have it with two members of the
council as the committee. We can still
invite all of the people we've talked
about to please be at that meeting that
they hold and have their input so those
two members can get all that input that
you're looking for. And that would mean
that as many people who are interested
in that as possible and maybe you have
to translate this to Spanish so they all
understand make sure that we have the
names and address of those who want to
participate in that decision-m
so that we can notify them of when the
meeting is and have that and then have
that happen and perhaps you want to
translate to that to them. Please if you
may allow that Mr.
>> Mayor
» Mayor
>> let's finish our discussion. Um,
» let's finish our discussion. Um,
>> let us finish and then we'll have
» let us finish and then we'll have
>> Yeah, let let's hang on.
» Yeah, let let's hang on.
>> Well, we should still have the names and
» Well, we should still have the names and
addresses. Just some contact
information.
>> Well, we haven't made a decision yet.
» Well, we haven't made a decision yet.
>> Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,
» Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,
Fred, but
>> All right.
» All right.
>> Yeah. Council member,
» Yeah. Council member,
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I
» thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I
just want to thank everybody for coming
tonight. I know for some of you, this is
probably the first city council meeting
that you've ever attended. And uh I know
for me, I've been having a lot of these
conversations, but even in this short
amount of time, I learned quite a bit. I
think other people learned a few things
that we didn't know before. And I think
that's informative how much better this
process would have been if we had gotten
h been able to have this conversation a
few months ago. That would have informed
how it rolled out, the information, any
contradictions that we might have seen.
Um,
you know, Bill's comments at the
beginning were very smart and actually
consistent with what I had heard from
other people. You know, we we paid our
business license and then like a week
later we got a phone call saying that we
needed to a different kind of permit.
You know, I I heard this over and over
and over and kind of the the conflicting
information between the website and the
code. Um, which is not easy. I mean,
what you heard are people that want to
follow the rules. They want to do the
right thing. They in good faith think
they're doing all of the right thing
only to get a call that says, "Uh, not
quite." And I know this is a little
hiccup. I know there was a lot going on
with the co the code, you know, improve
uh updates. I get that. But I also know
that we can learn from this and we can
do better, you know, better better
governance in terms of how we would
manage that. I think any business owner
here would be upset if they thought they
were doing the right thing and then the
city came in and said, "Oh, well,
functionally, you really can't do this
for the next month. This is really going
to knock out your July." Because this
was so disruptive for people. It really
knocked out people's July.
Hardworking business owners. And um I'm
happy that everybody wants to have the
ad hoc. It's kind of a technicality that
technically it's only two council
people, but of of course we will bring
people in to help inform what the next
step is. I don't think it should take
that long. Um calendaring it will be
probably be the hardest thing, but uh
again that we are this is your city. We
are your representatives
and this is an opportunity for us to
learn. We really appreciate everybody
coming tonight. I you know like was said
in the earlier uh item you know we want
to make opportunities for small
entrepreneurs.
» Well yay yay yay you.
So thank you.
>> Okay.
Okay. So again, the reason we we brought
this up was, you know, uh concern from
staff regarding the municipal code and
which creates challenges and ambiguity
and vagness that they were not quite
sure on how to handle and that's why
we're here where we are now. I think
it's it's clear that food trucks are are
good that we should have them. Uh but
there's so many nuances to the reg rules
and regulations that we need to get
clarified. So again, the folks know the
rules and they can comply with the
rules. Um I think what I've heard
tonight is that basically an ad hoc is
really what everybody's thinking about
doing here as far as getting more input
from the public. I think that's
important. We need to have the
stakeholders bring back what their
requirements are to be able to operate
properly but also fit within the code.
uh there's clearly code already set for
these kind of things with county and uh
other services that you know we have to
comply with as far as a city. So if if
the intent is uh with the council to
start that ad hoc I'd like to ask
Elizabeth um then
>> how we can do this given the amount of
» how we can do this given the amount of
interest you know with the city what are
what's the framework for the ad hoc that
we could consider. Uh so for an ad hoc
committee I would recommend that you
have two council members. So it's not a
form of council um and have that be the
committee and that'll be who would
report report back
>> to the whole board
» to the whole board
>> to the to the council. Um and then you
» to the to the council. Um and then you
can uh invite people to participate. You
can bring people in as speakers but I
would have the committee be just the two
council members.
>> Would it be like a workshop be in order
» Would it be like a workshop be in order
on something like that for a particular
Saturday or something like that?
>> Uh with the committee? Sure. You could
» Uh with the committee? Sure. You could
do that.
>> That's how we've done in the past. I
» That's how we've done in the past. I
just want to make it clear that, you
know, um, we can run a meeting like
that.
>> The ad hoc committee can meet whenever
» The ad hoc committee can meet whenever
they'd like and we just need to make
sure we advertise it so that everybody's
got the opportunity to participate.
>> Okay. So again, we'll go back to
» Okay. So again, we'll go back to
council. Is that kind of what we want to
try and do?
>> Yep.
» Yep.
>> So the next step is who would like to
» So the next step is who would like to
serve?
>> I would I will
» I would I will
see every
>> John I'd like one one point.
» John I'd like one one point.
>> Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other
» Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other
things maybe even slightly ahead of the
the um ad hoc committee I think we we've
come to a consensus that there are some
some contradictions within the existing
structure. Uh I think staff can probably
handle identifying what those
contradictions are and bring those back
to council sooner than later. Uh and try
to eliminate. So we heard a lot of
requests for clarity. Where do I go?
Give me one stop. We have two places to
go right now. Parks and wreck and
planning. Can we clarify some of that
and bring that back to council sooner
than we do? I'm not saying don't do do
an ad hoc, but the ad hoc might not come
back for a while.
>> Well, that that's going to be the next
» Well, that that's going to be the next
question. Um staff, how soon do you
think we could probably get something
going on an ad hoc to address the item?
>> Yeah, I think it just comes down to to
» Yeah, I think it just comes down to to
schedules and the schedules of the the
two that would sit on the ad hoc. to
answer or try to answer council member
voucher's question. Uh my recommendation
would be that uh you know we we hear
your feedback and understand that there
is need for clarity and an interim
period we would look to uh you as as
complaints will likely come in still. Uh
we can assess those but u recognize that
until there's further clarity it's going
to be uh probably in the best interest
to wait to see what the outcome of the
ad hoc is.
>> Exactly. Um my recommendation would be
» Exactly. Um my recommendation would be
that that uh any of those clarity type
of updates along with whatever else the
ad hoc wants to talk about and make
recommendations back to full council
come back in one package just so overall
there's a good perspective of what
changes uh the the the committee is
recommending and those are all
implemented at one time or discussed at
one time. That would be my
recommendation. In the interim, we can
work on a case-by case basis. If it's a
significant public safety and health
issue, then we're likely going to need
to be addressing that complaint. If it's
a nuanced kind of discussion on they're
on gravel and not asphalt, I think
that's something that we can we can work
uh in the interim to while the the ad
hoc committee is is deliberating.
>> Okay. And I was going to recommend that
» Okay. And I was going to recommend that
that's why we suspend the current
citations and not go any further with
those until we've gotten more better
clarity. because I think some of the
citations of people were in working in
in in faith, good faith, and didn't
realize that we were going to stop all
these new things in if it's a health
department issuing a citation, that's a
whole different thing. But I think our
citations out out of briefly put on hold
until we have clarity.
>> I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,
» I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,
and maybe we can get some clarity from
Chief Nord, but if people don't have the
license to operate,
>> that's a different scenario. So my my
» that's a different scenario. So my my
comment was you have these a lot of
people acting within the the regulations
we have. We let them continue to operate
until we could filter out all the
issues. Okay. And then one plug for me
being on that I have 30 years in the
restaurant business
>> and I worked with the health department
» and I worked with the health department
a lot.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Yeah,
>> I have about 15 years in in uh direct,
» I have about 15 years in in uh direct,
five years direct and about 10 years
consulting.
>> Okay. I don't have a problem actually.
» Okay. I don't have a problem actually.
These two I mean well like like a little
dog. Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me do it.
>> Yeah. I think at this point uh these two
» Yeah. I think at this point uh these two
have more interest and seems like they
could certainly uh carry the water on
it. But point is um you know getting
your calendar set up and scheduled to
get it in a timely manner. I think
that's going to be important to bring it
forward. Um I if again we don't have to
have a a vote on this I don't believe
just going to direct them to go ahead
and form an ad hoc and calendar it with
council boss and council Gregory as the
ad hoc members.
Is that good enough for good enough for
staff?
>> I'll agree.
» I'll agree.
>> Yeah. And then we'll be noticed
» Yeah. And then we'll be noticed
obviously um public will be noticed and
informed when they're going to meet so
you can have some input and find out
when and where.
>> Okay. Francisco
» Okay. Francisco
Spanish people don't speak.
>> Francisco do you want to translate a
» Francisco do you want to translate a
little bit what we just said on as far
as uh
>> if I may but can I also give you one
» if I may but can I also give you one
more concern one more question that our
public had that I want you guys to know
before we finish.
>> Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh
» Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh
question and and that everybody was
asking that food truck uh operators was
can they continue to do business until
we and yourselves uh find out what the
new rules are, the new regulations and
what the permits that you guys want to
happen. Can they continue to conduct
business
>> based on based on staff? Again, I don't
» based on based on staff? Again, I don't
think we've given any direction to
curtail any activity at this point. So,
I'm assuming they can still operate
under the operations or unless they
don't have a permit. Uh, Chief, would
you weigh in?
» Mayor, council,
» trying to think of my words before I say
them right now.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> we are enforcing current law. No
» we are enforcing current law. No
citations were put out. We went out and
educated. We contacted as many of the uh
food truck owners as we could and
between the two of us, we worked
together to create that list and get
that's why we were getting emails.
That's why we were getting phone numbers
so that we could communicate with
everyone, pass out these flyers and get
that information out there. That's what
we that's what we did.
If you tell us right now to not enforce
some of these things, my fear is that
you're it's
You haven't begun to see what kind of
out of control we can have with food
carts and food trucks. We can't do that.
>> No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was
» No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was
suggesting continue as usual like you
are doing currently,
>> right?
» right?
>> With
» With
>> I don't I don't know that that's what's
» I don't I don't know that that's what's
being asked
>> if if people have their current permits,
» if if people have their current permits,
>> right?
» right?
>> Yes. I have no problems continuing with
» Yes. I have no problems continuing with
what we're currently doing,
>> right?
» right?
>> With all of the all the um education
» With all of the all the um education
that we've done,
>> right? And if we can continue to make
» right? And if we can continue to make
sure if you if you need your temporary
use permit, if you have those things,
then absolutely we will we don't have
any problems with that. We will continue
as normal
>> until council has changed something. But
» until council has changed something. But
that's understood. That's the way we
>> that's what we were looking for at this
» that's what we were looking for at this
point in time.
>> So Francisco, you understand that?
» So Francisco, you understand that?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Good.
» Okay. Good.
>> Thank you, Chief. Okay.
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Tacos.
So I just told him that you are going to
um start ad hoc committee. It will be
consistent that both of you guys two
members of the city council and that
everybody will be invited in the public
to to to be there. Is that a correct?
>> Yes, that's correct.
» Yes, that's correct.
>> Okay. So, that's why I told them it's
» Okay. So, that's why I told them it's
important that they also attend those
meetings if there that's their interest
and for the rest of the stakeholders so
that they know and they get information
there and they can also give your
opinion as a food truck business owner
to you guys. Is that correct?
>> To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then
» To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then
make a recommendation back to full
counsel. That's the way it work, right?
Um,
anything else?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> That's good.
» That's good.
>> I don't know. We don't need to know
» I don't know. We don't need to know
right now, but uh that's time to meet
in the afternoon around the same time
late
» during the week
>> and and around this same time after 6.
» and and around this same time after 6.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Anytime after 6.
» Anytime after 6.
>> Similar.
» Similar.
>> Does that work
» Does that work
>> actually? Okay.
» actually? Okay.
>> Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll
» Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll
notice it. We're going to try and fit
into everybody's calendar and we'll try
and get it as close possible to that
that time frame. And it might be good
that you uh be part of that uh group
too, Francisco. Translate.
>> I I graciously take your invitation and
» I I graciously take your invitation and
I will be there.
>> Very good.
um when you guys decide on a date uh you
will let everybody know.
>> Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it
» Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it
and also talk about it at probably our
next council meeting.
>> What location will you use? Will you use
» What location will you use? Will you use
the same room?
>> Announce that. We don't want to
» Announce that. We don't want to
we have no night. Uh they're going to
have to schedule this and so we have no
idea when or where.
>> So why don't we why don't we do this?
» So why don't we why don't we do this?
>> When you do that date, you'll give that
» When you do that date, you'll give that
information.
>> We're going to be renovating city hall.
» We're going to be renovating city hall.
>> So Mr. Mayor,
» So Mr. Mayor,
>> we're going to move our meetings out to
» we're going to move our meetings out to
the east side of Centennial Park, too.
>> Mr. We're getting a little out of
» Mr. We're getting a little out of
control here. So let's be clear. We are
you can do it by motion or by consensus
to create an ad hoc committee to address
the food truck issue. So it's a limited
scope. It's related to the food truck
ordinance uh for a limited period of
time. Come back within the next 6
months,
>> 90 days, whatever the appropriate time
» 90 days, whatever the appropriate time
frame is. Um
and then designate who's going to be on
it. And
>> so move second.
» so move second.
>> We already have our two
» We already have our two
>> two people now. call for the question.
» two people now. call for the question.
>> No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish
» No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish
up.
>> Okay. So, we just need to be clear for
» Okay. So, we just need to be clear for
purposes of the minutes that you could
do it by motion or consensus. I don't
care either way. We need the names of
the people who are going to be on it,
the period of time, and the limited
scope. And then it's an ad hoc committee
that is not subject to the Brown Act.
>> So, what do we think staff as far as
» So, what do we think staff as far as
time calendar? I mean, how many months
are you thinking here roughly?
Any idea?
three months.
>> It's going to be three to six months.
» It's going to be three to six months.
>> Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to
» Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to
have drawn.
>> So let's just
» So let's just
>> or we can just do by consensus, right?
» or we can just do by consensus, right?
>> Consensus.
» Consensus.
>> Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to
» Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to
have Councilman Bos Councilman.
>> Nope.
» Nope.
>> There were two there were two different
» There were two there were two different
motions. So there was
>> We have a motion. We have a motion on
» We have a motion. We have a motion on
the floored motion.
>> Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I
» Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I
think what Elizabeth is trying to do is
more concise uh information as to what
we're doing.
>> Can we have a council member that speaks
» Can we have a council member that speaks
Spanish in the in this meeting in this
committee at hawk?
>> We have you
» We have you
>> actually I think
» actually I think
>> she she could be in the audience.
» she she could be in the audience.
>> I know I can't be in the audience cuz of
» I know I can't be in the audience cuz of
Brown. So I know people were sort of
joking with my exuberance but I I do
think it makes sense to have me on the
ad hoc. I think I bring a little
different perspective than Mr. Gregory,
a little different history, and I also
have a connection with HBA and our our
business owners. Mr.
>> Spanish,
» Spanish,
>> can I speak Spanish?
» can I speak Spanish?
>> Okay. All right. I don't care really
» Okay. All right. I don't care really
personally, but I'm going to leave it up
to you, too.
» Yeah, I know. But, uh, it's all going to
be just a consensus here anyway. I'm not
calling for a motion. So, you guys still
want to hold it? And
>> I think I think we're still the best
» I think I think we're still the best
people for it, John.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> All due respect, gentlemen.
» All due respect, gentlemen.
>> All right. Again, Francisco, you're
» All right. Again, Francisco, you're
going to be there anyway. Um, and it's
all coming back.
>> Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.
» Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.
>> Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us
» Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us
for final consent and, you know,
approval.
>> So, this is just investigated the way I
» So, this is just investigated the way I
see it. you guys are bringing back
information for us to further discuss.
So we want to have again Councilman Bos,
Councilman Gregory for 3 to six month
term of an ad hoc and we're going to be
asking staff to provide information to
that group and notice it to the public
whenever we can get a meeting room and
time to accommodate the number that
might be appropriate. And then mayor, if
I can add, uh, given the discussion
tonight, we'll likely look into having,
uh, city translation services available
and do that, too. Okay.
>> All right. So, is that good u consensus
» All right. So, is that good u consensus
enough or you were only call for a vote
on on that motion? There was a motion by
you, too.
>> We have a motion on the floor.
» We have a motion on the floor.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Which motion?
» Which motion?
>> So, we have a motion on the floor to
» So, we have a motion on the floor to
create an ad hoc committee
regarding the food truck ordinance
issues. can the ad hoc is Mr. Gregory
and Mr. Bosch and they will report back
within 6 months.
>> 6 months max. Yeah.
» 6 months max. Yeah.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Go ahead and call.
» Go ahead and call.
>> I need clarification on who made the
» I need clarification on who made the
motion and who seconded.
>> Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was
» Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was
seconded by Mr. Gregory.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Council member Bosch.
» Council member Bosch.
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Gregory.
» Council member Gregory.
>> I.
» I.
>> Council member Beiel.
» Council member Beiel.
>> No.
» No.
>> Council member Strong.
» Council member Strong.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Mayor Hammond.
» Mayor Hammond.
>> I. Motion passes.
» I. Motion passes.
>> Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.
» Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Report out. Okay.
» Report out. Okay.
>> All right. We're moving on to last item
» All right. We're moving on to last item
we have pretty much is u city manager
report. Mr. Hua.
>> Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's
» Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's
actually an update from a question we
had earlier tonight. Um,
>> thank you.
» thank you.
>> Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP
» Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP
project updates are actually already
published on the city's website uh under
the public works department web page,
but we'll uh work on making those more
front and center on the city website.
Other than that, no other updates for
you this evening. Thank you.
>> Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave
» Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave
here.
Okay, we're on then to council business
and committee reports. Uh, council
member,
>> really, really quickly, uh, we went to
» really, really quickly, uh, we went to
the labor uh, presentation at the fair
about apprenticeships and sort of the
role of, uh, construction jobs as being
head of household jobs. I thought that
was really interesting. The big
bookmobile is great. Thank you, Mr.
Freys, for our e excellent community
development tour. Um the the Royal Lake
Meadows Park ribbon cutting was
beautiful along with Riverwalk Terrace.
I think it's really important to take a
minute and really celebrate these great
things that happen and, you know, thank
my colleagues for helping get them to
this place. Um, I went to the uh,
housing services oversight council. I
thought it was interesting that 73, you
know, they're working on data and it's a
little challenging, but one of the
metrics is that 73% of the families
going through coordinated entry ended up
in permanent housing. So, that's a
wonderful metric, but just remember that
it's challenging because when people
leave the area, it's hard to tra track
track them. So, we don't always know the
outcomes with some people. A lot of
constituent services things. Um, I'm
going to my newly elected uh academy in
Oxnard next week. So, wish me luck. But
uh I appreciate the opportunity to be of
service and thank you to all the staff
for everything that you do. Um that's it
for me. Thank
» Councilman Strong.
>> Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the
» Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the
urban cutting over there for the new uh
uh uh what is it? Oaks, not Oaks Park.
>> Royal Oaks.
» Royal Oaks.
>> Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And
» Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And
a lot of little, it was a real toty.
They made a great backdrop to the ribbon
cutting even. And we put some down in
front as well. So, that was that was
kind of great. That was really neat. Uh
my biggest meeting was meeting of uh uh
that was uh well actually it wasn't low
sand it was concerning low sand and we
did have a low sand meeting and that's
what this train is all about. U we are
having the surf liner now to have
special trains just for special events.
This one is for Disneyland's 70th
anniversary. And there will be special
trains to Disneyland, but also they're
going to have special drain trains for
some of the other events such as the
Olympics in uh LA and also at various
racetracks when they're operating. We're
working very diligently to have them
have special trains for our midstate
fair as well so that we can get some
people up on those trains and that is
under consideration. But right now the
train service is interrupted and I was
on the phone with one of the executives
of Union Pacific because Union Pacific
has shut down the train down at LMPoke
because we are putting in a new bridge
that is going to be a through bridge.
Right now, our trains at that area, if a
freight is coming through, they have to
get off the track and back up onto a
mile and a half long uh siding,
and it doesn't have an exit. So, when
the train goes past, then it has to back
up a mile and a half to get back on the
track and proceed forward. This bridge
will complete that over a stretch of the
ocean to get to the other side. And it's
very delicate. So we had a big big uh uh
disagreement with Vandenberg because for
one month they have to suspend all
rockets. So there will be no uh rocket
launches for one month while that train
while that bridge is under construction
because we'll have workers walking on
girders up there putting this together
and the rocket launches cause the ver
gers the girdters to vibrate which would
then knock these people into the ocean
could drown them. we can't have workers
out there getting killed for doing their
job. So, reluctantly, Vandenberg agreed
and that is now underway. Um, they also
had a request from Cal Pali to have
their own private sighting at their
campus. So, we had to talk about that
and realize that they're meeting with
them this week on Friday to say no, that
doesn't make good sense because the only
place the current track uh actually
connects with the campus is out by CMC
on its way up the grade.
And to go up the grade, they'd have to
go all the way to the Bay Area to turn
around, which makes no sense when or
else they're going to have to back up
all the way back to the station. Well,
the station is just as close to the main
campus as that place 2 miles down across
the campus in their A area. So the
recommendation to Calpali is to get a
bus, hire a bus driver, meet the trains
at the station, and take the students
where they have to go. And that's where
we left that. And that's probably the
end of my report right now.
>> All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council
» All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council
Bel,
» uh, like Council Member Beiel, um,
attended the Midstate Fair, the trade
presentation annual event. It's great
event. uh uh great program uh to get
young people involved in apprenticeship
programs. Uh the Riverwalk Terrace,
thank you for a great project that
turned out very nice to our housing
authority folks. Um the
um attended the Pastor's Groundwater
Authority meeting on the 23rd. Um
attended the pancake breakfast on the
24th downtown park. Thank you to the
fair. Thank you to Main Street. Thank
you to ReMax for uh uh hosting us. I'm
not sure I heard a final number on how
many people they serve, but there were a
lot of people in the park getting free
pancakes. Um the on the 25th uh spent uh
the day in legal deposition for the slow
tribune uh court case, uh the youth
sports council got uh rescheduled and
finally um it was cancelled until next
month. um 10 of the Royal Oaks Park
ribbon cutting thanks to Venato for a
great park. Um and uh the addition to uh
the basketball court and uh football
courts that will soon to be opened. Um
I think I was going to ask for something
to be agendaized, but I think we've
already taken care of it. So that's my
report.
>> Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.
» Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.
>> Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to
» Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to
meet with um Mr. Hammond and John Bashon
and our primary subject was about
libraries and Helic I think you know
what that's all about but uh he was uh I
think John did a really good job on
softening them up and see if we can fix
that issue hopefully. Um and then also
uh I chaired LAFCO um and uh we looked
at a couple items for uh some
annexations and it's pretty uneventful
and um then uh the rest of the time I've
been taking care of Auggie on the road
in the water. So thank you and thank you
for the fair board and what the fair
does for our community and our staff
tonight. Thank you for all your work.
>> Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically
» Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically
that we've been a few weeks since we've
met. Um of course the fair happened. I
did several presentations on behalf of
the city on several different events
there and um it was a great fair. I
think very well done by Kolam Boragus
and the board. Um they also had two um
pastorals groundwater authority meetings
uh in the past uh time that we've met.
Uh the last one was last Friday and uh
we were asked why we didn't have an
agenda item on it because again it was
uh not able to be noticed on tonight's
meeting because of the time frame. I do
uh have Christopher preparing
Christopher Lac our water utility
manager. Um going to be doing a full
presentation this next meeting on that.
In short, basically the um uh protest
did uh accomplish the uh number of
votes. We had a threshold of about 642
out of the,85
that I think we were noticed. Um the
minimous users were not noticed. It was
only the commercial users and of those
they uh had a majority protest of about
680 the last I saw. So they did uh
achieve the goal that we were not able
to take action on the rate study that we
had planned for the U JPA. So we'll be
talking about that and how that might
work. We have another meeting set up uh
I think on the 18th or 17th of Monday is
our next one coming up for the JPA just
before our next meeting here. So that'll
be more information that uh staff will
be giving us a full report. um also
attended the Oak Park uh park ribbon
cutting out there. That was very well
done. That tot lot that we had done many
many years ago was completely revamped.
I think we saw Councilman Bouch was
there too and uh and Councilman Strong
uh and actually Yeah, Be was there too.
Yeah, very good. So, at any rate, great
little tot
while we were trying to do the ribbon
cutting. That was amazing. Yeah, it's
very well done.
Uh, and that's about all I had. Um, I
did want to ask Jonathan, our fire
chief, are we do we have any staff down
there at the Gford fire at all right
now?
>> Six.
» Six.
>> Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like
» Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like
it's a pretty tough one off of uh 166 in
San Louis County. So, want to make sure
they're all safe and that we're
definitely helping out with the effort.
So, thank you.
>> Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we
» Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we
have coming Pastor Robels Youth
Commission Advisory Committee meeting
August 6th, 5:00. Pass Robels Senior
Citizen Advisory Committee meeting
August 11th at 1:30. Development review
committee is going to be August 11th uh
at 3:30.
Pass Robels Parks and Recreation
Advisory Committee meeting August 11th
at 4 p.m. The Pass Robles Planning
Commission will be meeting uh here in
this room on August 12th at 6:30. We
also are going to have a Niblick Road
pedestrian and bike improvement plan
open house here at 5:30 uh August 13th.
Next one is going to be the library
board of trustees August 14th at 9:00
a.m. Again, DRC development review
committee is going to be August 18th at
3:30. And then our next meeting is going
to be here on August 19th. This a
pastoral city council meeting at 6:00
pm.
So I don't think I have anything else
unless anybody else has anything
further. Go ahead and look for a motion
to adjurnn. Move
>> to adjourn.
» to adjourn.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to
» Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to
adjurnn. All in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> We stand adjourned. Go.