[0:00] Two. Three. Four. Five.
[5:02] Good afternoon everyone. It's Tuesday,
[5:04] August 5th at 4:30 and we'll call this
[5:07] meeting over uh to the Pastor Robel City
[5:09] Council and we'll begin with roll call
[5:13] please.
[5:14] >> Council member Bosch
[5:15] » Council member Bosch
[5:15] >> here.
[5:16] » here.
[5:16] >> Council member Beal
[5:17] » Council member Beal
[5:17] >> here. Council member Gregory
[5:18] » here. Council member Gregory
[5:18] >> here.
[5:18] » here.
[5:18] >> Council member Strong
[5:19] » Council member Strong
[5:20] >> present.
[5:20] » present.
[5:20] >> Mayor Hammond
[5:21] » Mayor Hammond
[5:21] >> here.
[5:22] » here.
[5:22] and we have uh close session items to be
[5:26] uh discussed and reported. Um
[5:29] we'll let our legal counsel Elizabeth
[5:31] Hull do that for us.
[5:32] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going
[5:34] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we're going
[5:34] into close session on a couple of items
[5:36] this evening. The first is conference
[5:38] with legal counsel regarding existing
[5:40] litigation. That's pursuant to
[5:42] government code section 54956.9D1
[5:46] and the case is John Borst versus the
[5:48] city of El Paso de Robis. Um and then
[5:51] there is a second conference with legal
[5:53] counsel regarding existing litigation
[5:56] pursuant to the same government code
[5:58] section 549 56.9D1
[6:02] that is also John Borst versus the city
[6:04] of El Paso de Roles. They are two uh
[6:08] different complaints that have been
[6:09] filed. Um the third item is conference
[6:13] with legal counsel regarding existing
[6:16] litigation pursuant to the same section
[6:18] government code section 54956.91
[6:22] and the cases are the tribune versus the
[6:24] city of pasarobels and Chris Bosch Chris
[6:27] Bosch versus the city of pasarobels as a
[6:29] cross complaint and the city of
[6:30] pasarobels versus Chris Bow as a cross
[6:33] complaint.
[6:35] >> Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open
[6:37] » Okay. Thank you Elizabeth. Uh we'll open
[6:37] up public comment to these uh items
[6:40] regarding uh close session items
[6:42] tonight. Anyone in the public? I see
[6:44] none. Anyone online?
[6:45] >> No, sir.
[6:46] » No, sir.
[6:46] >> Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to
[6:48] » Okay. Then we'll go ahead and adjourn to
[6:48] close session and we'll reconvene at 6
[6:50] Yeah.
[1:35:56] Good evening everyone for the pastor
[1:35:57] Robels City Council meeting for Tuesday
[1:35:59] August 5th. We are reconvening from
[1:36:01] close session. Uh we'll go ahead and
[1:36:03] begin our uh session here with the
[1:36:06] pledge of allegiance led by Councilman
[1:36:07] Strong and remain standing for the
[1:36:09] invocation for Pastor Sarah Kate Durren
[1:36:11] of the Revival Center. Red.
[1:36:14] >> As we renew our commitment to this great
[1:36:16] » As we renew our commitment to this great
[1:36:16] nation, please with me. I pledge
[1:36:19] allegiance to the flag of the United
[1:36:21] States of America and to the republic
[1:36:24] for which it stands, one nation under
[1:36:28] God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:36:31] justice for all.
[1:36:33] >> Remain standing for prayer.
[1:36:35] » Remain standing for prayer.
[1:36:35] >> Heavenly Father, we come to you in the
[1:36:37] » Heavenly Father, we come to you in the
[1:36:37] mighty name of Jesus. Lord, we thank you
[1:36:39] for your grace and your mercy upon us.
[1:36:42] We don't deserve your attention, but
[1:36:44] we're so grateful that you hear our
[1:36:46] prayer. We come to you in faith.
[1:36:48] I thank you right now for our city of
[1:36:49] Pasroas. Thank you for the continued
[1:36:52] divine protection you have over our city
[1:36:54] and ask that you continue to have mercy
[1:36:56] over us and send us protection.
[1:36:59] Lord, may the words of our mouth and
[1:37:01] meditation of our hearts be acceptable
[1:37:02] in your sight tonight. May the leaders
[1:37:04] and the citizens of Pas
[1:37:07] have wise discussions, make good
[1:37:09] decisions to benefit everyone.
[1:37:13] Be glorified in this meeting. And we ask
[1:37:14] this in the name that's above every
[1:37:16] name, Jesus. Amen.
[1:37:18] >> Amen.
[1:37:18] » Amen.
[1:37:18] >> Amen.
[1:37:19] » Amen.
[1:37:19] >> Thank you, Pastor Durant.
[1:37:24] » Madame Clerk, would you call the roll
[1:37:26] call, please?
[1:37:28] >> Council member Bosch
[1:37:29] » Council member Bosch
[1:37:29] >> here.
[1:37:29] » here.
[1:37:29] >> Council member Beiel
[1:37:30] » Council member Beiel
[1:37:30] >> here. Council member Gregory
[1:37:32] » here. Council member Gregory
[1:37:32] >> here.
[1:37:32] » here.
[1:37:32] >> Council member Strong
[1:37:33] » Council member Strong
[1:37:33] >> here.
[1:37:34] » here.
[1:37:34] >> Mayor Hammond
[1:37:34] » Mayor Hammond
[1:37:34] >> here. Staff introductions begin on my
[1:37:37] » here. Staff introductions begin on my
[1:37:37] right.
[1:37:38] >> Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city
[1:37:40] » Melissa Boyer s Melissa Martin, city
[1:37:40] clerk, joined by Mary Swanhaltz, deputy
[1:37:42] city clerk. and Karen Jackson, IT
[1:37:45] technician.
[1:37:47] >> Warren Fras, community development
[1:37:48] » Warren Fras, community development
[1:37:48] director.
[1:37:50] >> Leslie Frasier, city
[1:37:53] » Leslie Frasier, city
[1:37:53] >> Melissa Bailey, city liber
[1:38:09] administrative services director. David,
[1:38:12] police chief.
[1:38:26] Chris Huat, city manager.
[1:38:28] >> Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.
[1:38:29] » Elizabeth Hall, city attorney.
[1:38:29] >> All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U
[1:38:34] » All right. Thank you. Uh, this is a U
[1:38:34] report out from close session. I'll let
[1:38:36] legal counsel Elizabeth Hall let
[1:38:38] everybody know what we've talked about.
[1:38:39] >> Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the
[1:38:41] » Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Uh the
[1:38:41] council went into close session on a
[1:38:43] number of items. The first is conference
[1:38:45] with legal counsel regarding existing
[1:38:46] litigation pursuant to government code
[1:38:48] section 54956.91.
[1:38:51] Name of the case is John Borst versus
[1:38:53] the city. Uh the case number in that
[1:38:55] case is 23 CVP-0156.
[1:39:00] Uh and there was no reportable action.
[1:39:02] The second item is conference with legal
[1:39:04] council existing litigation pursuant to
[1:39:07] government code section 54956.9D1.
[1:39:10] Also um the name of that case is also
[1:39:13] John Boris versus City of Pasari Robels.
[1:39:15] The case number in that case is 25
[1:39:18] CVP0159
[1:39:20] and there's no reportable action. And
[1:39:22] then finally there was conference with
[1:39:24] legal counsel regarding existing
[1:39:26] litigation. Again pursuant to government
[1:39:29] code section 54956.91
[1:39:32] and the name of the case is the tribune
[1:39:34] versus the city of Pasarobels and Chris
[1:39:36] Bosch. Chris Bosch versus the city of
[1:39:38] Pasa Robels as a cross complaint and the
[1:39:40] city of Pasari Robels versus Chris Bosch
[1:39:42] as a cross complaint and there was no
[1:39:44] reportable action.
[1:39:45] >> Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh
[1:39:49] » Very good. Thank you. Uh moving on. Uh
[1:39:49] we have presentations. We have two
[1:39:50] tonight. The first one's going to be
[1:39:52] capital projects uh report by Adidas
[1:39:55] Esparonza.
[1:40:05] Good evening, mayor, members of the city
[1:40:07] council, and the audience that's present
[1:40:09] here tonight. This is our once a month
[1:40:12] uh public works capital projects update.
[1:40:15] We haven't had one for quite some time.
[1:40:17] So, and we've done a lot of projects.
[1:40:19] So, I'm going to u giving you uh just
[1:40:22] give you a catch up on all the things
[1:40:24] that we've done today.
[1:40:26] So to first of all is to let you know of
[1:40:29] the projects that are in progress.
[1:40:32] Here's a list of them and I'll try to
[1:40:35] give a a quick highlight on each of
[1:40:37] those.
[1:40:39] And here's some more.
[1:40:42] So the first one is the Sherwood
[1:40:44] Sherwood water manes. This is the
[1:40:46] Sherwood neighborhood just east of
[1:40:48] Preston and south of Niblick Road next
[1:40:51] to the south of the uh fire station out
[1:40:53] there. If you recall, the need for this
[1:40:56] project was to upgrade all the the
[1:40:58] deteriorated water manes and broken
[1:41:01] water services so that we can repair the
[1:41:04] roads in that neighborhood. So the the
[1:41:08] water line is almost complete. So we
[1:41:10] will follow the follow that up with the
[1:41:13] neighborhood road repairs again paid
[1:41:15] with measure E12.
[1:41:18] The Crestston Road Corridor phase one
[1:41:20] has been in construction since August of
[1:41:23] 2024. We're getting down to the end. The
[1:41:27] pavement, the first lift of pavement has
[1:41:29] been placed and the signal poles are
[1:41:31] currently in construction. The signal
[1:41:33] pole is at Walnut Bolan and
[1:41:37] Bolan and Crestston of course. And so
[1:41:39] the tempor striping there looks
[1:41:42] permanent. It is not permanent. It's
[1:41:44] temporary. uh instead of putting
[1:41:46] floppies, which is normally what the
[1:41:49] contractor would do prior to final
[1:41:51] paving, it became evident that because
[1:41:53] the road is so wide and so long, people
[1:41:55] would be confused as to where to drive.
[1:41:58] So, it was safer to put temporary
[1:42:00] striping in, but they just sort of put
[1:42:03] it in there and uh didn't really go
[1:42:05] through the whole design analysis, just
[1:42:07] they just figured we'll try to just keep
[1:42:10] it safe. So, let everybody know that is
[1:42:12] temporary. And as in fact the second
[1:42:14] level and final level of surface repair
[1:42:17] started last Friday and we will do uh
[1:42:20] the final repair in the next week or so.
[1:42:25] The um tower road sorry the training
[1:42:30] facility tower at fire station on Union
[1:42:33] Road is complete. the before picture
[1:42:35] with all the rebars getting ready and
[1:42:37] then the after picture with the concrete
[1:42:40] pad and the asphalt driveway next to it.
[1:42:43] We are in in progress in getting the
[1:42:46] equipment. It it's a Lego like structure
[1:42:49] that they will deliver on site and build
[1:42:52] it for the actual training tower
[1:42:55] and that is paid for by measure J20.
[1:43:00] Next that we have is the Sherwood Park
[1:43:03] upgrade which happens to include a
[1:43:05] pickle ball court. You can see that uh
[1:43:08] the grading at the we're grading the
[1:43:10] parking lot that will add parking spaces
[1:43:13] for Sherwood Park and the pickle ball
[1:43:16] courts are in progress. The asphalt has
[1:43:18] been placed. We're getting ready to put
[1:43:20] the fence and the lights for the actual
[1:43:23] court.
[1:43:27] We now and then this one is the Flamson
[1:43:29] pedestrian improvements in front of um
[1:43:34] well I think it's still called Flamson
[1:43:36] Flamson School or maybe it's not
[1:43:39] anymore. I I forget but anyway it's the
[1:43:42] junior high.
[1:43:44] So, here's north of 24th and here's the
[1:43:47] curb ramps at Oak Street in in progress.
[1:43:51] And included with the with curb ramp and
[1:43:54] sidewalk, we will be putting a
[1:43:55] pedestrian push button activated
[1:43:58] pedestrian activated push button to help
[1:44:01] kids cross the street safely. Again, a
[1:44:04] reminder, this was a slowcog safe route
[1:44:07] to school grant as well as a safe uh a
[1:44:10] slowcog community betterment grant.
[1:44:16] The 12th Street parking lot is under uh
[1:44:20] construction. This is on 12 and
[1:44:22] railroad. They're starting with a
[1:44:23] retaining wall along 12th Street. In in
[1:44:27] addition to the 12th Street parking lot,
[1:44:29] we're also doing the Marvs, the one next
[1:44:30] to Marv's Pizza. So that's going to come
[1:44:33] along after the 12th Street parking lot
[1:44:35] is completed. Uh funding for this
[1:44:38] project is from the toot um grant um
[1:44:43] sales tax stacks that we receive.
[1:44:47] We also have our annual street pavement
[1:44:50] pavement restriping program. Uh those
[1:44:53] are the list list of the streets that we
[1:44:55] accomplished this year. This is paid for
[1:44:57] by gas tax.
[1:45:01] We also have a whole um lot of
[1:45:04] neighborhood streets. We completed the
[1:45:06] Sleepy Hollow, Cathedral Canyon,
[1:45:08] Rosemary, Julie, and then in addition to
[1:45:11] that, we repaired a portion of the
[1:45:14] asphalt trail next to Charlay. And this
[1:45:17] is again was measure I24 funded.
[1:45:23] So now I'm going to take you to our
[1:45:25] upcoming projects.
[1:45:28] We have a list of them. uh they're all
[1:45:30] at various stages, but for now I'm going
[1:45:33] to just concentrate on my report for
[1:45:36] Crest Road phase 2. Now that phase one
[1:45:39] is complete, we were we are beginning we
[1:45:41] are going to begin the Chris Crest Road
[1:45:44] phase two. We're just about done with
[1:45:46] the project and um we want the community
[1:45:49] to rest a little bit and enjoy phase one
[1:45:52] before we start doing the phase two
[1:45:55] which is going to be quite challenging.
[1:45:58] I'd like to add because of the traffic
[1:46:01] control and what's going to happen
[1:46:03] there. Unlike the roundabout at Golden
[1:46:06] Hill and Union Road, we were able to
[1:46:08] close that intersection and really
[1:46:10] concentrate in getting it done. So
[1:46:13] essentially, it was one-stage
[1:46:15] construction. Once people got used to
[1:46:17] the closure, even though they didn't
[1:46:19] like it, once they got used to it, they
[1:46:22] figured out, okay, I can do it now
[1:46:24] until, of course, when we started
[1:46:25] paving. But it took about 9 months
[1:46:28] before we had to change the staging. But
[1:46:31] for them, it was like they got used to
[1:46:32] the closure. They got used to the detour
[1:46:35] and we were done. Unfortunately, that
[1:46:37] cannot happen with the rolling hills and
[1:46:40] um crest roundabout. You can see the
[1:46:43] black line. It's a little bit skewed,
[1:46:45] but there are numerous
[1:46:48] drain lines and pipelines that going to
[1:46:50] have to be going under that roundabout.
[1:46:53] We can't close the road obviously
[1:46:55] because we have to keep traffic moving.
[1:46:58] We have prepared a what's called a seven
[1:47:01] stage construction to do this project.
[1:47:05] So just about when the community is kind
[1:47:08] of used to stage one unfortunately once
[1:47:11] we're done we will have to switch to
[1:47:12] stage two and three and four and five
[1:47:15] and six and seven. So patience is
[1:47:19] something we would really appreciate
[1:47:21] when we go into construction.
[1:47:23] So to do that to facilitate and help out
[1:47:26] with the staging construction is we will
[1:47:29] be closing rolling hills and so people
[1:47:31] will not be able to use rolling hills
[1:47:34] coming from Golden Hill and but the main
[1:47:38] road of Crestston will remain open at
[1:47:40] all times albeit it'll be staged and at
[1:47:43] different times of construction they
[1:47:45] might be going this way or going this
[1:47:47] way but there'll be um places there the
[1:47:50] contractor will be uh directing people
[1:47:52] on how to go there. The other thing that
[1:47:55] I get a lot of questions on is why did
[1:47:57] we not do improvements in front of the
[1:48:00] Nick's barber shop. I show that on the
[1:48:02] left there. Um so we don't have rightway
[1:48:06] for those two properties next to Nick's
[1:48:09] Barberhop. During phase one design, we
[1:48:12] tried to get them to give us property,
[1:48:14] but it's very uh it's very steep. And
[1:48:18] yes, if if we did if we did install
[1:48:20] driveways for them, basically they would
[1:48:23] have to give us public rideway that
[1:48:24] pretty much goes right next to their
[1:48:26] buildings. And so, of course, they
[1:48:28] didn't want to offer that. And so, we
[1:48:31] did not do those consu uh sidewalks and
[1:48:34] to have to leave it alone. And for phase
[1:48:37] two, we're trying to see if we can still
[1:48:39] do it. Um I'm not getting much luck, so
[1:48:43] we don't know for sure if it's going to
[1:48:45] happen, but we're trying. But uh it it
[1:48:49] it may not happen. What we'll we'll see.
[1:48:52] That's it for my presentation. And
[1:48:55] finally, I have in the table over there,
[1:48:58] we do have an upcoming workshop next
[1:49:01] Wednesday for the Niblick Road corridor
[1:49:04] improvements. The we the city received a
[1:49:07] grant a grant to enhance Niblick Road.
[1:49:10] The grant is specific to providing a
[1:49:13] multi-purpose path for bike and
[1:49:15] pedestrian safety on the north side of
[1:49:18] Niplick. And then we're taking advantage
[1:49:20] of that and putting some other
[1:49:22] enhancements along the corridor to uh
[1:49:25] create a uh um a wow for Nivelick Road
[1:49:30] and to make pedestrians uh traffic safe.
[1:49:33] >> That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30
[1:49:37] » That's next uh 5:30, right? 5:30. :30
[1:49:37] here 5:30 to 8
[1:49:39] >> and it's an open house. We'll have
[1:49:41] » and it's an open house. We'll have
[1:49:41] drawings of the enhancements proposed
[1:49:43] and people can look at it and provide
[1:49:46] written comments
[1:49:48] >> or verbal as well. That concludes my
[1:49:51] » or verbal as well. That concludes my
[1:49:51] presentation and I'll be happy to answer
[1:49:53] any more questions.
[1:49:54] >> All right. Thank you. Questions?
[1:49:56] » All right. Thank you. Questions?
[1:49:56] >> Quick quick question. Thank you so much.
[1:49:58] » Quick quick question. Thank you so much.
[1:49:58] um if you know we get the the weekly
[1:50:01] updates on the projects and it's so
[1:50:03] helpful to know you know what's going on
[1:50:05] what's coming up and if somebody in the
[1:50:07] public wants to get those or find them
[1:50:10] how would they find them
[1:50:13] I think they're issued every week via
[1:50:15] the CMO update that are the city manager
[1:50:18] issues
[1:50:21] >> um the I know the individual project
[1:50:23] » um the I know the individual project
[1:50:23] reports go out to the media u we can
[1:50:26] look to get those up on the website as
[1:50:27] well Great. Thank you.
[1:50:30] >> Chris B
[1:50:33] » Chris B
[1:50:33] is um just the last couple uh days I've
[1:50:36] had the opportunity to drive eastbound
[1:50:38] on Crestston uh late in the afternoon
[1:50:43] and it's single lane striping that's
[1:50:45] going to be temporary permanent traffic
[1:50:48] is backed all the way up to um like
[1:50:51] Orchard. It's it's the the westbound
[1:50:54] traffic is is backed up. I'm not I'm I'm
[1:50:58] assuming you're aware of that, but just
[1:51:00] in case you're not, um, anything we can
[1:51:03] do to to mitigate that? I've never seen
[1:51:05] it.
[1:51:05] >> Um, I in previous
[1:51:08] » Um, I in previous
[1:51:08] staff uh council reports, I've shown you
[1:51:11] the cross-section,
[1:51:13] >> right,
[1:51:13] » right,
[1:51:13] >> that was approved by the city council.
[1:51:15] » that was approved by the city council.
[1:51:15] So, it will be striped for that
[1:51:18] cross-section.
[1:51:19] >> So, these single lanes are just
[1:51:20] » So, these single lanes are just
[1:51:20] temporary.
[1:51:21] >> There's the single lanes are just
[1:51:23] » There's the single lanes are just
[1:51:23] temporary.
[1:51:24] um
[1:51:25] >> till they put the final overlay of
[1:51:27] » till they put the final overlay of
[1:51:27] asphalt down and then stripe it
[1:51:29] correctly and put the crosswalks in.
[1:51:32] >> I hope it's not going to be I hope it's
[1:51:34] » I hope it's not going to be I hope it's
[1:51:34] not going to be a single lane from
[1:51:36] Orchard down to to River. That would be
[1:51:38] >> You mean single lanes both ways?
[1:51:40] » You mean single lanes both ways?
[1:51:40] >> Yes,
[1:51:41] » Yes,
[1:51:41] >> there are areas where there was room for
[1:51:43] » there are areas where there was room for
[1:51:43] two lanes, but I think there's also some
[1:51:46] areas that was going to be single lane.
[1:51:48] Again, it's the cross whatever the
[1:51:50] cross-section was that was adopted by
[1:51:52] the city council in February 2020.
[1:51:54] Right.
[1:51:55] >> That is what is being strike.
[1:51:57] » That is what is being strike.
[1:51:57] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:51:59] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:51:59] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:52:01] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:52:01] >> Mhm.
[1:52:02] » Mhm.
[1:52:02] >> Uh next presentation we have tonight on
[1:52:04] » Uh next presentation we have tonight on
[1:52:04] the agenda is the um
[1:52:09] where to go
[1:52:12] Central Coast Community Energy C3A
[1:52:14] annual report. Welcome. And you are
[1:52:17] Spencer.
[1:52:19] >> Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council
[1:52:20] » Good evening, Mayor Hammond and council
[1:52:20] members. My name is Spencer Brandt. I'm
[1:52:22] the community relations manager for
[1:52:24] Central Coast Community Energy for the
[1:52:26] southern portion of our region. Here to
[1:52:28] give an annual update.
[1:52:32] As some background, 3CE is a public
[1:52:34] agency and we source electricity for
[1:52:37] communities all along the central coast.
[1:52:39] We work in partnership with PG&E who
[1:52:42] continue to manage the transmission and
[1:52:44] distribution of that electricity. So
[1:52:46] while they continue to maintain the
[1:52:48] lines and the infrastructure, Central
[1:52:50] Coast Community Energy purchases
[1:52:52] electricity from generation projects
[1:52:54] like wind, solar, and geothermal.
[1:52:58] Uh this past January, the city of
[1:53:00] Atascadero along with the county of San
[1:53:02] Lucabispo became our newest member
[1:53:04] agencies.
[1:53:07] In 2024, we delivered 409 megawatts of
[1:53:10] renewable electricity. That's enough to
[1:53:13] power more than 350,000 homes entirely
[1:53:16] from clean energy. Doing so, we are
[1:53:19] avoiding 445,000 metric tons of carbon
[1:53:22] emissions, which is the equivalent to
[1:53:24] taking over 105,000 gas powered cars off
[1:53:27] the road for a full year.
[1:53:32] 3CE is on a path to deliver 100% clean
[1:53:35] and renewable energy 10 to 15 years
[1:53:38] ahead of the state's goals. By October
[1:53:41] of 2028, renewable energy is projected
[1:53:43] to make up at least 64% of our
[1:53:46] electricity mix.
[1:53:51] This year, we've gotten a lot of
[1:53:52] questions about energy storage, and so I
[1:53:55] wanted to take some time to talk a
[1:53:56] little bit about that. Energy storage is
[1:53:59] essential for California's transition to
[1:54:01] carbon-f free electricity, and it's also
[1:54:04] critically important for customer
[1:54:06] affordability.
[1:54:08] Battery energy storage stores renewable
[1:54:11] energy during the day and then releases
[1:54:13] it when it's needed most in the evening.
[1:54:15] So, at a utility scale, this reduces our
[1:54:18] reliance on gas PA plants during evening
[1:54:21] hours. And for customers, home batteries
[1:54:24] can be a critical tool for resilience
[1:54:28] and allow customers to take greater
[1:54:30] control over home energy usage.
[1:54:33] To illustrate this, I want to take a
[1:54:35] look at what California's electricity
[1:54:38] mix looked like in September of 2022.
[1:54:42] This was Labor Day weekend, and you may
[1:54:44] remember it because it was real hot.
[1:54:46] This was a heat wave all across
[1:54:48] California and it prompted a flex alert
[1:54:50] which was a statewide call to reduce
[1:54:53] energy usage to avoid rolling blackouts.
[1:54:56] You may remember it because everyone got
[1:54:58] a text on their phone asking you to
[1:55:00] reduce energy usage. And this graph
[1:55:02] shows the mix during the day. So red is
[1:55:05] fossil fuels, green is renewables, and
[1:55:09] orange you see at the very bottom that's
[1:55:12] batteries charging. Then you'll see at
[1:55:14] the very top as we go further into the
[1:55:16] evening during peak hour batteries are
[1:55:19] deployed onto the grid. You can see how
[1:55:22] they represent a very small portion. Now
[1:55:25] let's look ahead two years.
[1:55:28] This was a similar heat wave during July
[1:55:30] 4th of last year. You'll see a couple
[1:55:33] things that are difference. There's more
[1:55:34] green. That's more renewable energy
[1:55:36] online. And the orange battery bar has
[1:55:39] more than tripled charging in the
[1:55:41] morning as they go below the line. and
[1:55:43] then deploying in the evening. So, I
[1:55:46] hope that this kind of illustrates just
[1:55:48] how the electricity mix changes
[1:55:50] throughout the day and how usage
[1:55:51] patterns for our customers are different
[1:55:53] throughout the day.
[1:55:57] We've also received questions from
[1:55:58] community members about the safety of
[1:56:00] battery energy storage systems. So, I
[1:56:02] want to highlight a couple key facts.
[1:56:04] Central Coast Community Energy doesn't
[1:56:06] have any power purchase agreements with
[1:56:09] uh indoor battery facilities. All of our
[1:56:12] battery storage projects uh must use
[1:56:15] containerized systems that are equipped
[1:56:16] with individual fire suppression units
[1:56:20] and meet the latest fire and building
[1:56:22] code standards. The safety data that you
[1:56:24] can see on this slide is also
[1:56:26] encouraging. At the same time that
[1:56:28] there's been a more than 25,000%
[1:56:31] increase in battery deployment, there's
[1:56:33] been a 98% drop in battery failures. Um
[1:56:38] 3CE is not the land use authority. That
[1:56:41] is our member agencies and it's
[1:56:42] ultimately your call. But we get a lot
[1:56:44] of questions about the utility of
[1:56:46] batteries and about their safety. So I
[1:56:48] appreciate you indulging me to provide
[1:56:50] some of this information.
[1:56:54] I want to share a little about some
[1:56:56] investments that we've made. Um one uh
[1:57:00] project that's coming online soon. The
[1:57:01] Willow Rock Energy Storage Center will
[1:57:03] use compressed air as a battery to power
[1:57:06] turbines on demand. This will be the
[1:57:08] largest compressed air energy storage
[1:57:10] project in the world once it's complete,
[1:57:12] providing 200 megawatts to our
[1:57:14] customers. Artina Solar is another very
[1:57:17] large solar and storage project and
[1:57:19] Atlas solar is projected to come online
[1:57:21] next year. Last year, Victory Pass Solar
[1:57:24] and Storage started delivering energy to
[1:57:26] our customers. Uh that was in May. These
[1:57:29] three projects represent enough energy
[1:57:31] to power 250,000 homes and businesses.
[1:57:38] Delivering energy is only part of 3CE's
[1:57:41] mission, though, and connecting with our
[1:57:42] communities is a critical component. In
[1:57:45] 2024, our outreach team sponsored
[1:57:48] events, hosted webinars, conducted
[1:57:50] workshops about our energy programs.
[1:57:52] We've partnered with community- based
[1:57:54] organizations, trade groups, chambers of
[1:57:57] commerce to educate the public about our
[1:57:59] offerings. And we've also enhanced our
[1:58:01] customer experience or customer service
[1:58:04] experience with a new hotline capable of
[1:58:06] providing assistance in over 150
[1:58:09] languages.
[1:58:13] A little about our energy programs.
[1:58:14] These help provide customers with tools
[1:58:16] to accelerate electrification and
[1:58:20] enhance renewability while putting money
[1:58:22] back in our constituents pockets. Our
[1:58:24] flagship program is Electrify Your Ride
[1:58:27] and it provides up to $4,000 for the
[1:58:29] purchase of a qualifying new or used
[1:58:32] electric vehicle. Additional programs
[1:58:35] cover the cost of electrifying home
[1:58:36] appliances like water heaters and
[1:58:39] installing a home battery as well as
[1:58:42] targeted programs for our agricultural
[1:58:44] sector for their equipment needs.
[1:58:47] We also have programs specifically in
[1:58:49] place for public agencies to cover the
[1:58:52] cost of replacing fleet vehicles
[1:58:54] including everything from light duty
[1:58:56] pool cars to heavier duty equipment like
[1:58:58] street sweepers. Sister programs include
[1:59:01] plan your fleet and charge your fleet
[1:59:03] which helps supplement the planning and
[1:59:05] infrastructure costs of electrification.
[1:59:08] Our electric bus program is often
[1:59:11] utilized by school districts and transit
[1:59:13] agencies and our reach codes program
[1:59:15] provides technical assistance for city
[1:59:17] staff as they develop energy efficiency
[1:59:20] standards.
[1:59:23] Since 2018, nearly 7,000 customers on
[1:59:26] the Central Coast have received these
[1:59:28] rebates. over $11 million back in our
[1:59:31] customers pockets. We're really proud of
[1:59:33] that.
[1:59:35] And here is a snapshot of how 3CE has
[1:59:39] invested in Pasari Robels through our
[1:59:41] rebates and incentives. We've also
[1:59:43] included stats from a benchmark
[1:59:45] jurisdiction so you can get an idea of
[1:59:47] how you measure up. One project that I
[1:59:49] would like to highlight uh that I'm
[1:59:51] super excited about is 3CE paid out
[1:59:54] $22,500
[1:59:56] to Habitat for Humanity St. in Losabispo
[1:59:58] County through our new construction
[2:00:00] electrification program for nine
[2:00:03] all-electric affordable single family
[2:00:05] homes at the Vine Street Passels
[2:00:07] project. More good news is that up to
[2:00:11] $300,000 is available each year for the
[2:00:14] city to cover the cost of installing
[2:00:17] electric vehicle chargers, purchasing
[2:00:19] electric vehicles, both light and heavy
[2:00:21] duty. Uh we also find that more and more
[2:00:24] cities are using DC fast chargers as a
[2:00:28] really important economic development
[2:00:30] tool to drive traffic to downtown and
[2:00:32] commercial areas.
[2:00:36] And finally, before I close, I want to
[2:00:38] share a legislative update. We've gotten
[2:00:40] a lot of questions about recent federal
[2:00:43] legislation HR1, otherwise known as the
[2:00:46] big beautiful bill. And I want to tell
[2:00:48] you about the effects it'll have for
[2:00:50] energy customers. First, it eliminates
[2:00:53] the individual tax credits for new and
[2:00:55] used electric vehicles after December
[2:00:58] 30th of this year. So that means that if
[2:01:00] customers are considering purchasing
[2:01:02] electric vehicle and utilizing our
[2:01:04] rebates, if they'd like to stack those
[2:01:06] rebates with the federal tax credit,
[2:01:08] they've got until September 30th to make
[2:01:11] that purchase. Uh we also um just as
[2:01:15] consequential to all of our customers is
[2:01:18] the elimination of the investment tax
[2:01:21] credit and production tax credit which
[2:01:23] is utilized by utility scale solar and
[2:01:26] wind projects. This means that fewer and
[2:01:29] fewer of those projects are going to
[2:01:31] make it across the finish line and
[2:01:32] actually be developed. And uh we are
[2:01:36] forecasting that in the medium to long
[2:01:38] run this is going to mean higher prices
[2:01:40] for energy for customers across the
[2:01:42] United States. To deal with this 3CE
[2:01:46] through our trade association CalCa is
[2:01:49] sponsoring state legislation the
[2:01:50] pathways initiative to allow us to buy
[2:01:53] and sell electricity with markets across
[2:01:56] the western United States. This is
[2:01:58] projected to save California nearly $800
[2:02:01] million. We also have forthcoming
[2:02:04] legislation about resource adequacy
[2:02:06] slice of day which I won't get into. Uh
[2:02:08] but the um main takeaway is it's another
[2:02:11] thing that will help our customers save
[2:02:13] money if it were implemented.
[2:02:15] And that's all that I have for you
[2:02:17] today. Thank you very much council. I'm
[2:02:19] happy to answer questions.
[2:02:20] >> Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.
[2:02:22] » Thank you Spencer. Questions over Mr.
[2:02:22] Brown on the left. Anyone on the right?
[2:02:24] >> I'm good.
[2:02:25] » I'm good.
[2:02:25] >> Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you
[2:02:26] » Okay. I think we're very good. Thank you
[2:02:26] for coming. Spencer.
[2:02:30] All
[2:02:32] right, moving on to general public
[2:02:33] comments. Uh, this is the time that the
[2:02:35] public may address the council on items
[2:02:37] within its uh purview, but not scheduled
[2:02:40] on tonight's agenda. Council or staff
[2:02:43] may briefly respond to statements or
[2:02:45] questions posed by the public. Uh,
[2:02:47] please fill out a speaker card and hand
[2:02:48] it to our uh, city clerk when you come
[2:02:50] up. You'll have three minutes to speak.
[2:02:52] Those people wishing to speak on any
[2:02:54] item scheduled on tonight's agenda will
[2:02:56] be given the opportunity to speak at the
[2:02:58] time the item is being considered. So
[2:03:00] we'll open up public comment.
[2:03:07] » Welcome Greg.
[2:03:08] >> Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg
[2:03:09] » Yes. Thank you. My name is Greg
[2:03:09] Greywell. I live in Crest and I am the
[2:03:12] authority on my ranch. Uh in front of
[2:03:15] you there's eight years of annual
[2:03:17] reports. There's
[2:03:20] 15 years of your urban water management
[2:03:23] plans and there's the water code. Last
[2:03:26] time I was here, I had a bunch of
[2:03:28] bobbleheads up there telling me I didn't
[2:03:30] know what I was talking about. I know
[2:03:32] most of you have never seen those
[2:03:33] documents, never read those documents,
[2:03:36] don't know what's in those documents.
[2:03:40] 3CE sounds like the Nazi pipeline.
[2:03:43] You guys spend over $4 million a year.
[2:03:47] You've been doing it for 18 years now
[2:03:49] for Nazi water. That's just principle
[2:03:52] and interest on that pipeline. You've
[2:03:54] already spent $72 million and you don't
[2:03:56] use the water. You got another 15 more
[2:03:59] years to pay for it. You have a capacity
[2:04:01] loss of over 3,900 acre feet in that
[2:04:05] pipeline.
[2:04:07] And those are all temporary repairs.
[2:04:08] You've had over six or seven repairs.
[2:04:11] And that money I just said has nothing
[2:04:12] to do with operation and maintenance
[2:04:14] repairs or anything else.
[2:04:18] The other day, uh, you guys decided here
[2:04:22] a while back you wanted to be part of
[2:04:23] the JPA.
[2:04:27] Four people voted for it. You spent
[2:04:29] almost 80 grand to lose. I think those
[2:04:33] four people need to kick in 20 grand a
[2:04:36] piece. But the moral thing is you got
[2:04:38] one long arm to practice you on the back
[2:04:40] and one short arm that can't reach in
[2:04:42] your own pocket. and you wanted to go
[2:04:44] after the citizens that live around you
[2:04:48] and and uh
[2:04:51] try to make them pay for your problem.
[2:04:55] You dump all of your waste water in the
[2:04:57] river and it's exported.
[2:04:59] You have no recyclable water from rain.
[2:05:03] You have no storm water capper. You just
[2:05:05] spent $500,000
[2:05:08] in six months on this JPA joke
[2:05:12] after you already lost in 2016.
[2:05:18] In those reports, it says by a certain
[2:05:21] date you're going to use all of your
[2:05:22] Nazi water. I got it right here. It says
[2:05:26] in 2025, are we in 2025? I think we are.
[2:05:29] Says you're going to use 100%.
[2:05:32] You're using 1,000 acre feet. the rest
[2:05:35] of it's going to Monterey for free.
[2:05:38] When you make a false statement of
[2:05:40] material fact and you have the knowledge
[2:05:43] that that statement is untrue and you
[2:05:46] have the intent to deceive the people
[2:05:48] that live around here
[2:05:50] uh and the people have a reliance on
[2:05:52] your statements and you injure them,
[2:05:55] you've just committed fraud and you
[2:05:57] commit fraud every day with what you do.
[2:06:00] So, you need to look at this stuff. you
[2:06:02] need to study this stuff and if you want
[2:06:04] to put something on an agenda where you
[2:06:07] actually want to have a discussion about
[2:06:09] what needs to happen then we can have
[2:06:11] that discussion with somebody that knows
[2:06:13] and not your staff and if you want me to
[2:06:15] bring their testimony from the court
[2:06:17] trial we've already lost five times I
[2:06:19] can do that too thank you
[2:06:22] >> thank you
[2:06:26] » Linup welcome
[2:06:27] >> hello I did not eat my waties today so I
[2:06:32] » hello I did not eat my waties today so I
[2:06:32] I'm actually here to say that um for
[2:06:34] general public comment that um the the
[2:06:37] fair, the midstate fair that just
[2:06:39] happened, I had the pleasure of riding
[2:06:41] my bicycle up the 24th Street Bridge.
[2:06:43] So, one of the questions I have for Deus
[2:06:45] is when that bridge is rehabbed, is it
[2:06:47] going to be lowered? I think bike lanes
[2:06:50] are supposed to go into it. So, um I'm
[2:06:53] not an expert bike rider, but I think
[2:06:55] the most basic bike rider should be able
[2:06:57] to get up and over that bridge without
[2:06:58] being able to walk their bike. end with
[2:07:01] that. Um, I got a lot of good, positive
[2:07:03] feedback about the police department at
[2:07:05] the fair. They were very wellreceived.
[2:07:08] Um, some people said it was wonderful.
[2:07:10] There were no fights. I don't know if
[2:07:12] that's true, but there were no major
[2:07:13] fights out front. Um, we didn't have the
[2:07:16] food cart debacle that we had last year.
[2:07:18] So, I think it was overall a really
[2:07:20] great event. I spent um my my life
[2:07:24] savings there
[2:07:26] um with they have a lot of great vendors
[2:07:29] and it was a fun event. I've been there
[2:07:31] before but this year I took the time to
[2:07:32] go three times. So anyway, so I have
[2:07:35] that question and then I have something
[2:07:37] from last meeting. You guys were talking
[2:07:39] about the Olsen Ranch. I think it's
[2:07:41] project um all electric. I think
[2:07:44] somebody just said it right now. 3CE. I
[2:07:47] think it's a wonderful thing that we
[2:07:49] have a portion of the city that is going
[2:07:52] to go to people who want all electric
[2:07:54] homes green. I think that is what we are
[2:07:59] are inching towards are trying to with
[2:08:01] Newsome in his merry band of legislature
[2:08:04] at the state. So I think it's a good
[2:08:08] thing. Um, I think that if we package it
[2:08:11] right and it comes back and we say to
[2:08:13] the IT people, the tech people in the
[2:08:15] Bay Area where I'm from, hey, we got all
[2:08:18] electric, we have this, we have that,
[2:08:20] they will come. But right now, there's
[2:08:22] nothing for them. So, the other thing
[2:08:25] that I'm concerned about is um well,
[2:08:28] even with that ice scare, I thought that
[2:08:30] that was really inappropriate. Who I
[2:08:32] guess it was the Democrats who did that.
[2:08:34] I went to the hotel. I spoke with the
[2:08:36] soldiers myself. Do you know that the
[2:08:38] hotel staff and the soldiers were being
[2:08:40] harassed? So if anybody has a pipeline
[2:08:43] into whoever created that mess, it needs
[2:08:45] to stop because it is not okay for
[2:08:48] citizens to be harassing people who do
[2:08:50] their jobs. The hotel had a really big
[2:08:53] problem during that. So that's all I
[2:08:56] came to say for public comment. Um we
[2:08:58] are projected to be up to 44K in 10
[2:09:01] years and I think that was two years ago
[2:09:03] when you guys had that projection. So, I
[2:09:06] hope that eventually
[2:09:08] um we start getting the staff and
[2:09:10] everything we need to move with it. I
[2:09:12] think it's really important that we keep
[2:09:14] up with that growth. Thank you,
[2:09:19] >> Dale. Welcome.
[2:09:20] » Dale. Welcome.
[2:09:20] >> Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with
[2:09:25] » Good evening, Dale Gustin. Uh as with
[2:09:25] three members of this council and
[2:09:28] myself, we're all proud members of the
[2:09:30] Pastor Rob Rotary. And this Saturday,
[2:09:32] we're having our biggest fundraiser,
[2:09:34] Wine Makers Cookoff. And it we gave
[2:09:38] $100,000 in scholarship this last June.
[2:09:41] And we're very proud of that. And I'm
[2:09:44] proud to say that uh you three of you
[2:09:47] members of this council are members of
[2:09:50] that Rotary group as I am. Now, as to
[2:09:54] what Mr. Greg Groal said, "I was here
[2:09:58] when you were originally going to design
[2:09:59] that damn pipeline to go through the
[2:10:01] middle of the city." And I said, "That's
[2:10:03] crazy. You don't have no common sense.
[2:10:06] It already drains down and goes north to
[2:10:10] uh keep a constant flow in the river for
[2:10:14] selenus
[2:10:16] uh so that they don't get
[2:10:18] saltwater intrusion." Well, so why not
[2:10:22] take the water and bend it and put in a
[2:10:25] pipeline and serve the city of Pasobos?
[2:10:30] Why isn't it serving the city of
[2:10:31] Pasarobos?
[2:10:33] All that money to build a pipeline and
[2:10:36] it's all going to help the farmers in
[2:10:39] Selenas.
[2:10:41] It doesn't make sense. And now you got a
[2:10:43] problem. Supposedly, a lot of us don't
[2:10:46] agree you have a overdraft problem, but
[2:10:49] somebody said we did. And you've got the
[2:10:52] solution. just put that water from the
[2:10:56] Selenus that you're not using for our
[2:10:58] citizens back into the aquafer and the
[2:11:03] uh main uh
[2:11:06] water tank which we call a a a
[2:11:12] largest
[2:11:13] I call it a reservoir.
[2:11:15] Anyway, it just makes sense that the
[2:11:20] city is the is the one of the biggest
[2:11:23] culprits of this problem cuz you're not
[2:11:26] doing anything to help cure the problem.
[2:11:29] And you, John Hammond, sit up there and
[2:11:31] say, "Oh, we're going to find another
[2:11:33] way to fund this organization that's
[2:11:35] doing nothing."
[2:11:36] Why? You have a plan in place. And part
[2:11:41] of that plan should be for pastor Robos
[2:11:44] to do their fair share and helping to
[2:11:46] overcome the problem if it's a problem.
[2:11:51] » Michael, welcome.
[2:11:53] >> Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh
[2:11:56] » Uh Michael Rivera, PO Box 3134. Uh
[2:11:56] thanks for 3CE and their presentation.
[2:11:59] However, there's a problem.
[2:12:01] uh his presentation was great but there
[2:12:03] was no information related to how much
[2:12:07] the taxpayers
[2:12:09] have paid for that what the total cost
[2:12:13] and investment and I don't call an
[2:12:15] investment I call it there's pro there
[2:12:18] probably be other ways we have an ocean
[2:12:19] of natural gas off the coast and nobody
[2:12:22] seems to be caring a lick about that but
[2:12:25] that's another argument but the bottom
[2:12:27] line is his presentation said nothing
[2:12:30] about what the total cost of this
[2:12:33] renewable energy is costing the
[2:12:35] taxpayers and the as as it relates to
[2:12:39] reliability. There's some question as to
[2:12:42] what that now your job here is to
[2:12:44] protect and defend the interests of the
[2:12:46] people of this city. And by not asking
[2:12:49] the simple question of what is the total
[2:12:51] cost of this to the public
[2:12:54] as I think their election, you guys
[2:12:56] really need to start drilling down on
[2:12:58] this. So, if we could get that
[2:13:00] information, that'd be great. Uh, the
[2:13:02] other thing is, uh, Mayor Hammond, I'm
[2:13:04] so disappointed
[2:13:07] in your leadership. This whole thing
[2:13:09] with Chris Bosch and the amount of money
[2:13:12] that's be this money, this city spends
[2:13:15] so much money on things that are just
[2:13:18] ridiculous.
[2:13:21] This thing with Chris should have been
[2:13:23] put to bed. And I was brought into this
[2:13:26] thing because you indicated that there
[2:13:28] was a conspiracy
[2:13:30] and I would like to know where is the
[2:13:32] conspiracy. I haven't seen anything.
[2:13:35] Where's the followup on that? I was I
[2:13:38] was smeared during the election cycle
[2:13:43] by that statement that you made
[2:13:45] suggesting that somehow these people
[2:13:47] were involved in an infarious collusion
[2:13:50] pro thing which was ridiculous. and
[2:13:54] absurd.
[2:13:55] So sir, you could have stopped this by
[2:13:58] just simply saying we need to stop this
[2:14:01] and I misspoke. I was incorrect. There
[2:14:03] was no conspiracy. And for you to
[2:14:05] suggest that is an outrage and and
[2:14:08] really despicable. And
[2:14:11] for Mr. Greywall, he makes good points
[2:14:14] that the amount of money that's being
[2:14:16] wasted by this city in a variety of
[2:14:18] different ways with legal counsel, etc.
[2:14:22] should shock the people of this city.
[2:14:24] We're a small city. We have a lot of
[2:14:26] needs here. For God's sake, I spoke
[2:14:29] about the roads. For how long?
[2:14:32] And we're getting half Crestston done
[2:14:34] now. We're going to take God knows how
[2:14:35] long to get it done to to to food for
[2:14:38] less.
[2:14:40] I hope people's teeth stay in their
[2:14:42] head.
[2:14:45] This is ridiculous,
[2:14:47] John. And your leadership has has not
[2:14:50] been good. And it's and it's not good.
[2:14:53] And and and I'm sad because I want the
[2:14:56] best for this city and I know you do too
[2:14:58] actually.
[2:15:00] But I think your your your decision-m
[2:15:02] has been poor.
[2:15:04] And so as it relates to Chris Bos, Chris
[2:15:08] Bos just asked questions and I'll I'll
[2:15:10] finish right now. Okay. Chris Ba was
[2:15:12] simply asking questions and directing
[2:15:15] his questions directly as his is right
[2:15:18] as a representative of the people of
[2:15:20] this city and for him to be accused of
[2:15:23] something like what you accused him of
[2:15:26] is outrageous.
[2:15:28] >> Thank you.
[2:15:29] » Thank you.
[2:15:29] >> Anyone else? Murray
[2:15:53] Thank
[2:16:04] you.
[2:16:23] Go ahead, Murray. Okay. Murray Pal
[2:16:26] temple and resident uh property owner
[2:16:30] of property in the Paso bas. So I'm here
[2:16:36] today. am a little disappointed that on
[2:16:38] your agenda you don't have a agenda item
[2:16:42] for the paso base and GSA
[2:16:45] you guys are the GSA for the pastoral
[2:16:48] city
[2:16:50] and I haven't seen any GSA paso city
[2:16:55] meetings lately at your council meetings
[2:16:59] in the past you've uh done them and
[2:17:01] you've done them in the right way and I
[2:17:03] appreciate that. So anyway, what I've
[2:17:06] handed out today is a uh a document
[2:17:11] that's actually kind of a cost and
[2:17:15] income statement type situation for four
[2:17:18] or five months that was handed out on
[2:17:21] August 1st. And for all the folks here
[2:17:23] that don't know, uh there was a 218
[2:17:26] process a lot of you probably heard
[2:17:28] about. And on May 1st, I mean, I'm
[2:17:31] sorry, on August 1st, it was defeated.
[2:17:34] defeated.
[2:17:36] And there's four GSAs, this one and
[2:17:39] three others that are now part of this
[2:17:42] new uh uh authority, this GPA authority.
[2:17:47] And if you look at this uh document,
[2:17:50] you'll see that uh the four uh GSAs had
[2:17:54] uh uh contributed a while back uh
[2:17:59] $229,000
[2:18:01] out of their own funds, including uh the
[2:18:05] general fund of the Paso City uh to fund
[2:18:09] this uh 218 situation. And if you also
[2:18:13] look at the last column, you'll see a
[2:18:15] $250,000
[2:18:17] in September column uh that according to
[2:18:21] the treasurer of the GPA uh will be due
[2:18:26] uh from each of the GS GSAs. So your
[2:18:30] share between the the earlier one and
[2:18:34] this one is about 75,000.
[2:18:37] Not a big number, you know, in your
[2:18:39] budget. I know understand, but you just
[2:18:43] guys keep wasting money on these things
[2:18:45] and nothing's getting done. So, uh I
[2:18:49] would like you to uh uh your next
[2:18:53] meeting uh bring uh your GSA
[2:18:57] uh agenda up and explain to the county
[2:19:00] or to the people in this city what
[2:19:03] you're wasting the money on. So right
[2:19:06] now um
[2:19:10] let's see if there's anything else here.
[2:19:12] It's my yellow light.
[2:19:15] So uh you know the purpose of this uh
[2:19:19] authority is to implement the GSP
[2:19:23] that uh was approved by the DWR in 2020.
[2:19:28] And so far you haven't done anything.
[2:19:30] All you've done is spent money and you
[2:19:32] haven't saved one drop of water.
[2:19:34] >> All right. Thank you, Murray. We're
[2:19:36] » All right. Thank you, Murray. We're
[2:19:36] gonna actually have an item on our next
[2:19:39] agenda next two weeks. Friday's meeting,
[2:19:43] we couldn't get it agendaized because
[2:19:45] you have to post it ahead of time. So,
[2:19:47] we are talking about it next meeting.
[2:19:49] So, if you want to come at that point,
[2:19:50] >> that would be appreciated. I think a lot
[2:19:53] » that would be appreciated. I think a lot
[2:19:53] of people need to understand more what's
[2:19:55] going on and what you guys are doing
[2:19:57] about it.
[2:19:58] >> Thank you.
[2:20:00] » Thank you.
[2:20:00] Anyone else?
[2:20:03] Sharon.
[2:20:06] » Good evening. Uh, my name is Sharon
[2:20:08] Rhoden. I'm speaking as a private
[2:20:10] citizen. At the end of the last meeting
[2:20:12] during council's comments, Mr. Baos made
[2:20:15] a comment about how many records he has
[2:20:18] produced for the records request, some
[2:20:21] of which date prior to November of last
[2:20:23] year. He noted that the other council
[2:20:25] members combined had submitted less than
[2:20:27] 50 records. end quote in the absence of
[2:20:30] any emails turned in by former council
[2:20:32] member Sharon Rhoden end quote
[2:20:36] perhaps intimating that I had with
[2:20:39] forethought and purpose of evasion not
[2:20:42] produced emails in my possession or my
[2:20:44] devices
[2:20:46] to clarify I turned my city devices over
[2:20:49] to the city for evaluation I did so in a
[2:20:53] timely manner without the necessity of a
[2:20:55] lawsuit or a judge's order to do
[2:20:59] I signed an affidavit stating under
[2:21:01] penalty of perjury that I had produced
[2:21:04] all known records per the request. I
[2:21:08] signed this affidavit affidavit without
[2:21:10] the need for a judge to instruct me to
[2:21:13] do so. Mr. Rivera is correct. The city
[2:21:16] has wasted a lot of money. I would guess
[2:21:18] maybe a million dollars on one council
[2:21:21] member because this council member
[2:21:23] refused to abide by the laws in
[2:21:25] providing records in a timely manner.
[2:21:28] When I received an email about a couple
[2:21:31] of weeks ago requesting texts, I didn't
[2:21:35] wait for a formal request, a lawsuit, or
[2:21:38] judicial intervention.
[2:21:40] The only device that I use for texting
[2:21:43] is my personal phone. But I did not
[2:21:46] hesitate. I took my private devices to
[2:21:49] the city for their analysis. They
[2:21:52] determined there were two texts, both
[2:21:53] containing only public information.
[2:21:57] No discussion of replacing a council
[2:21:59] member, no city business discussed, and
[2:22:03] no use of derogatory names for council
[2:22:05] members or city staff. This is not how I
[2:22:08] conduct myself. In short, I produce my
[2:22:12] city devices for review. I produced my
[2:22:15] private devices for review. I signed an
[2:22:18] affidavit in a timely manner stating I
[2:22:21] had produced records requested.
[2:22:24] You, Mr. Bow, cannot make the same
[2:22:26] claim. Based upon these facts, Mr.
[2:22:29] Bosch, I would request that you clarify
[2:22:31] your statement so as not to give the
[2:22:33] impression that I had eluded any
[2:22:35] requests for records. Thank you.
[2:22:38] >> Thank you. Anyone else in the room for
[2:22:41] » Thank you. Anyone else in the room for
[2:22:42] public comment?
[2:22:44] Do we have anyone online?
[2:22:45] >> I do have one caller, Jan Alban.
[2:22:48] » I do have one caller, Jan Alban.
[2:22:48] >> Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.
[2:22:51] » Okay, Jan, can you hear us? Go ahead.
[2:22:52] >> Yes. And can you hear me?
[2:22:54] » Yes. And can you hear me?
[2:22:54] >> Yes. Go ahead.
[2:22:56] » Yes. Go ahead.
[2:22:56] >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a
[2:22:59] » Okay. Thank you. Um, Jan Elburn. I'm a
[2:22:59] resident of Coil Run Senior Community
[2:23:03] and I'd like to take this opportunity to
[2:23:05] thank the citizens of Pasarobos for
[2:23:08] standing up, protesting, and voting down
[2:23:12] the plan to tax well users for their own
[2:23:15] water. Water that by law belongs to
[2:23:18] them. Water this quasi authority had no
[2:23:23] legal right to tax or attempt to
[2:23:25] control. These are Bruce Gibson's
[2:23:28] minions, basically water pirates, acting
[2:23:32] under the guise of some legitimate
[2:23:34] authority. And I'm reminded of the movie
[2:23:36] Chinatown, where it's all about money,
[2:23:39] power, and control of the water. If you
[2:23:42] control the water, you control the
[2:23:44] world. Well, happily, the cities
[2:23:47] citizens voted this down and with any
[2:23:50] luck sent a message to the next hopeful
[2:23:53] group of pretenders that we're not
[2:23:55] having it. The days of to bully, the
[2:23:59] days of trying to bully and get over on
[2:24:01] the citizens has passed. Thank you.
[2:24:04] >> Thank you.
[2:24:06] » Thank you.
[2:24:06] >> Anyone else?
[2:24:08] » Anyone else?
[2:24:08] >> No, sir.
[2:24:11] » No, sir.
[2:24:11] >> Let's uh take care of that phone,
[2:24:13] » Let's uh take care of that phone,
[2:24:14] whoever that is.
[2:24:21] » Okay. Uh anyone else online?
[2:24:24] >> No, sir.
[2:24:25] » No, sir.
[2:24:25] >> Okay. We'll go ahead and close public
[2:24:26] » Okay. We'll go ahead and close public
[2:24:26] comment
[2:24:28] >> yes. Go ahead Mr. B
[2:24:31] » yes. Go ahead Mr. B
[2:24:31] >> to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning
[2:24:35] » to uh uh Miss Rhoden to our our planning
[2:24:35] commissioner uh Sher speaking as a
[2:24:38] private citizen. Um
[2:24:42] Miss Rhoden was not under threat of a uh
[2:24:46] lawsuit from a city employee at the time
[2:24:50] the prior uh records requests were made.
[2:24:54] Uh she also was not uh um
[2:25:00] uh instructed by her attorney as I was
[2:25:03] to uh withhold any uh production of
[2:25:07] public records request until after the
[2:25:09] threat of the lawsuit had passed on
[2:25:11] March 16th, 2025.
[2:25:15] Uh the record is already abundantly
[2:25:18] clear that I provided my records prior
[2:25:21] to a judge ordering me to do so. I uh
[2:25:27] the record uh the judge uh provided an
[2:25:32] instruction to clarify who I was to
[2:25:35] deliver the records to. Um,
[2:25:39] the
[2:25:41] emails that I referred to in my comments
[2:25:44] were from private devices, not
[2:25:47] city-owned devices. The city devices and
[2:25:50] production of records from city devices
[2:25:52] has never been in question. Only the
[2:25:55] production of records from our private
[2:25:58] devices. So, I hopefully that clarifies
[2:26:01] the comment, Miss Rhoden, and hopefully
[2:26:03] that satisfies you this evening. Thank
[2:26:05] you.
[2:26:06] Yeah, thank you Chris.
[2:26:08] Moving on with the agenda. Next, we have
[2:26:11] agenda items to be deferred. Mr. Huat,
[2:26:12] do we have any? Uh,
[2:26:13] >> mayor, no items for deferral this
[2:26:15] » mayor, no items for deferral this
[2:26:15] evening.
[2:26:15] >> Very good. So, then we move on then to
[2:26:17] » Very good. So, then we move on then to
[2:26:17] the overview of items on consent
[2:26:19] calendar. And you have that item, Mr.
[2:26:20] Huah.
[2:26:21] >> Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine
[2:26:23] » Uh, yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh, nine nine
[2:26:23] items on a consent calendar this
[2:26:25] evening. The first is the approval of
[2:26:27] the meeting minutes for the July 15th,
[2:26:29] 20 uh July 15, 2025 city council
[2:26:32] meeting. Item number two is the receipt
[2:26:34] of advisory body minutes for the youth
[2:26:37] commission meeting on May 7th, the parks
[2:26:40] and recreation advisory committee on May
[2:26:42] 12th, the senior citizens advisory
[2:26:44] committee on May 12th, and the community
[2:26:46] services advisory body special joint
[2:26:48] reorganization meeting on June 18th.
[2:26:51] Item number three, at the request of the
[2:26:53] city council, I believe your last
[2:26:55] meeting, uh this item is a cancellation
[2:26:58] of your September 4th, 2025 regular city
[2:27:01] council meeting. and uh directing city
[2:27:04] staff to schedule a special meeting in
[2:27:05] the month of September if necessary.
[2:27:08] Item number four is the receipt of the
[2:27:10] treasures report for May of 2025.
[2:27:14] Item number five is the receipt of the
[2:27:16] warrant register uh since our last
[2:27:19] report. Uh $6.7 million
[2:27:23] uh has been made in payments from the
[2:27:24] city to various vendors for various
[2:27:27] activities. I will cover those items
[2:27:29] that exceed $100,000 and there are
[2:27:31] several of them. So please bear with me.
[2:27:33] Uh the first is a payment to Best and
[2:27:35] Creger LLP for April 2025 attorneys
[2:27:39] fees. This comes from a variety of
[2:27:41] different funding sources including
[2:27:42] developer reimbursements in the amount
[2:27:44] of $271,4944.
[2:27:48] Second item is a payment to Page
[2:27:50] Construction for the construction
[2:27:52] contract for the Golden Hill Road
[2:27:54] repairs. This comes out of the capital
[2:27:56] improvement fund in the amount of
[2:27:57] $174,784.54.
[2:28:02] The next item is a payment to California
[2:28:04] Joint Power Insurance Agency. This is
[2:28:07] for the city's annual liability and
[2:28:08] workers comp programs uh in the amount
[2:28:11] of 2.2,671,75.
[2:28:16] The next item is a payment to California
[2:28:17] Joint Power Insurance Agency for the uh
[2:28:21] risk uh property insurance program in
[2:28:24] the amount of $336,289.
[2:28:28] Next item is a payment to First American
[2:28:30] Title Company. This is related to an
[2:28:33] easement acquisition uh per a previously
[2:28:36] approved agreement uh in the amount of
[2:28:38] $392,496.
[2:28:41] The next item is a payment to Best &ing
[2:28:43] Creger LLP for the May 2025 attorney's
[2:28:47] fees. Again, coming out of a variety of
[2:28:49] different funds in the amount of uh
[2:28:53] $242,71.83.
[2:28:57] Next item is a payment to Pacific Gas
[2:28:59] and Electric. This is for the June 2025
[2:29:03] uh utility costs coming out of the water
[2:29:05] fund in the amount of $162,491.
[2:29:10] Next item is a payment to grant a
[2:29:12] construction company. This is related to
[2:29:14] the constant road phase one project that
[2:29:17] Mrs. Esparange spoke about earlier.
[2:29:19] Comes out of the capital improvement
[2:29:20] fund in the amount of $228,43147.
[2:29:26] Uh next item is a payment to Cal
[2:29:28] Portland construction. Uh this is
[2:29:30] related to road repairs in the Serenade
[2:29:32] Brahma area. comes out of the capital
[2:29:34] improvement fund in the amount of
[2:29:35] $33,210.74.
[2:29:40] Next item is a pass through payment made
[2:29:42] to visit SlowCal. This is related to the
[2:29:45] tourism assessment district uh for the
[2:29:47] May 2025 and that pass through amount
[2:29:50] was $133,22843.
[2:29:54] Uh similarly, the last uh notable
[2:29:57] payment is to Travel Paso for the May
[2:30:00] 2025 tourism improvement district and
[2:30:04] that passed their amount as $176,881.
[2:30:09] Moving on, item six on the consent
[2:30:11] calendar this evening is a renewal uh of
[2:30:14] the Pasar Robels Library Study Center
[2:30:17] lease with the superintendent of
[2:30:18] schools. This is for uh the study center
[2:30:21] facility, I believe, at 3600 Oak Street.
[2:30:25] Uh item number seven is the approval of
[2:30:27] an application to the land and water
[2:30:29] conservation fund. Uh this would provide
[2:30:32] additional funding to move the Beachwood
[2:30:35] Park project forward. I believe the city
[2:30:38] is uh planning to apply for a little
[2:30:40] more than $3 million. Uh and this grant
[2:30:44] requires a resolution uh of the city
[2:30:47] council to apply. Item number eight is
[2:30:50] the award of a construction contract for
[2:30:52] the repair and re and rehabilitation of
[2:30:55] certain uh utility mains on 17th Street
[2:30:58] Capitol Hill Almond Court uh and a
[2:31:01] change order as it relates to those
[2:31:03] construction services. And then finally,
[2:31:05] item number nine tonight is a change
[2:31:07] order related to uh North Coast's
[2:31:10] engineering contract. And this is
[2:31:11] related to uh preparation work for the
[2:31:15] Crest and Road phase 2 project that Miss
[2:31:17] Espiranto spoke about earlier. Mayor,
[2:31:20] that concludes a summary of the consent
[2:31:21] calendar. We're happy to answer any
[2:31:22] questions.
[2:31:23] >> Very good, Chris. Um items on consent
[2:31:26] » Very good, Chris. Um items on consent
[2:31:26] calendar are considered routine, do not
[2:31:28] require separate discussion. However, if
[2:31:29] any member of the council or the public
[2:31:32] has any specific questions or
[2:31:33] clarification on a particular item on
[2:31:36] consent, we will address them now before
[2:31:38] a vote is taken. uh if a full discussion
[2:31:40] is desired by a member of the public or
[2:31:43] the council that will cause the item 10
[2:31:46] to be removed and uh added to the end of
[2:31:49] the discussion items for tonight. Well,
[2:31:51] I'll ask the council if they have any
[2:31:53] questions or would like to pull any
[2:31:55] items on the consent. I have a question
[2:31:58] for DAS on P8
[2:32:01] >> and that's for the uh contract on the
[2:32:04] » and that's for the uh contract on the
[2:32:04] water and sewer mains
[2:32:06] >> and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor
[2:32:08] » and I see that it's a LMPoke contractor
[2:32:08] that is the low bid but I'm curious if
[2:32:11] they're using any local subs or local
[2:32:13] laborers for that if you have that
[2:32:15] information.
[2:32:22] Yeah, there's only one sub on that
[2:32:24] project and it's to provide traffic
[2:32:26] control and they're from Santa Bria.
[2:32:31] » So yeah, Chris. Okay, on my right pro
[2:32:34] Gregory.
[2:32:34] >> Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question
[2:32:37] » Yeah. Um, sorry Dus, I have a question
[2:32:37] on 8 for you too. What is the location
[2:32:40] of the rehabilitation of the water and
[2:32:42] sewer mains on 17th?
[2:32:45] >> Actually, these are um fixing some old
[2:32:48] » Actually, these are um fixing some old
[2:32:48] water valves. So they're all at several
[2:32:50] intersections 18th, 19th, 21st is just
[2:32:54] to uh they're old and will break any
[2:32:57] minute and so we need to fix them
[2:32:59] because Riverside from 17th to 21st is
[2:33:02] on the list to repair for roads.
[2:33:05] >> Okay, thank you
[2:33:07] » Okay, thank you
[2:33:07] Chris.
[2:33:08] >> You okay? I'll open up the public.
[2:33:10] » You okay? I'll open up the public.
[2:33:10] Anybody having a question on any item on
[2:33:12] consent, please come forward.
[2:33:13] >> Hi, Linda George 126 Street number
[2:33:16] » Hi, Linda George 126 Street number
[2:33:16] three. Should I ask my question now?
[2:33:18] Yes.
[2:33:19] >> Okay. Well, that's what I was re
[2:33:21] » Okay. Well, that's what I was re
[2:33:21] referring actually to about the growth
[2:33:23] of the city and being 44,000. Um I think
[2:33:26] it was projected in the next 10 years,
[2:33:28] Chris. Um, I'm not sure if that's that
[2:33:30] was two years ago when that projection
[2:33:32] was made, but my concern about
[2:33:34] cancelling meetings and um, right now
[2:33:37] it's a part-time situation and as the
[2:33:40] city grows it, we're going to need
[2:33:42] obviously more staff, but we're going to
[2:33:44] need our council to spend more time and
[2:33:47] making decisions. So, I am absolutely
[2:33:50] adverse to you guys cancelling any
[2:33:52] meeting unless it's an emergency when
[2:33:54] you only have two a month. So, I urge
[2:33:57] you to reschedule the one you're going
[2:33:58] to cancel.
[2:34:00] >> Very good. Anyone else?
[2:34:03] » Very good. Anyone else?
[2:34:03] Anyone online?
[2:34:05] >> No, sir.
[2:34:06] » No, sir.
[2:34:06] >> Okay. We'll bring it back then to
[2:34:07] » Okay. We'll bring it back then to
[2:34:07] council for discussion and or direction.
[2:34:12] >> Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve
[2:34:15] » Mayor Hammond, I move that we approve
[2:34:15] items one through nine on the consent
[2:34:16] agenda as stated.
[2:34:18] >> Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second
[2:34:19] » Okay. I have a motion by Gregory, second
[2:34:20] by Bosch uh for approval of one through
[2:34:23] nine on the consent calendar. Any uh
[2:34:25] discussion?
[2:34:27] >> Okay, we'll call for a question.
[2:34:28] » Okay, we'll call for a question.
[2:34:28] Melissa,
[2:34:29] >> Council Member Gregory,
[2:34:30] » Council Member Gregory,
[2:34:30] >> I.
[2:34:30] » I.
[2:34:30] >> Council member Bosch,
[2:34:31] » Council member Bosch,
[2:34:31] >> hi.
[2:34:32] » hi.
[2:34:32] >> Council member Beal,
[2:34:33] » Council member Beal,
[2:34:33] >> I.
[2:34:33] » I.
[2:34:34] >> Council member Strong.
[2:34:35] » Council member Strong.
[2:34:35] >> Hi,
[2:34:35] » Hi,
[2:34:35] >> Mayor Hammond.
[2:34:36] » Mayor Hammond.
[2:34:36] >> Hi.
[2:34:36] » Hi.
[2:34:36] >> Motion passes unanimously.
[2:34:38] » Motion passes unanimously.
[2:34:38] >> Thank you. Next, we have public
[2:34:40] » Thank you. Next, we have public
[2:34:40] hearings. We'll open up public hearings.
[2:34:42] And the first one is to consider a
[2:34:44] specific plan amendment for the project
[2:34:46] located at 258 Spring Street. And I
[2:34:49] think we have Katie Banister going to be
[2:34:51] doing that for me.
[2:34:56] Welcome, Katie.
[2:35:06] » Thank you, Mayor and City Council. So,
[2:35:08] yes, as you said, this is a specific
[2:35:09] plan amendment for a single property uh
[2:35:11] that's in the Uptown Town Center
[2:35:13] specific plan uh located at 258 Spring
[2:35:16] Street. So, the application includes a
[2:35:19] general plan amendment, a specific plan
[2:35:21] amendment, and those are both amendments
[2:35:22] to the maps. Um, and then a conditional
[2:35:25] use permit, and a site plan review as
[2:35:27] well.
[2:35:29] So, location 258 Spring Street is
[2:35:32] between 24th and 26th Street on um on
[2:35:35] Spring Street. Uh to the east is
[2:35:39] manufacturing areas. That's in the
[2:35:40] Riverside Corridor Zoning District. Uh
[2:35:42] to the north, there are a few
[2:35:44] residential uses. This is a a a
[2:35:46] residence. Of course, it is within that
[2:35:48] manufacturing area. So, this is uh
[2:35:50] sandwiched between commercial and and uh
[2:35:52] and manufacturing, but there is a
[2:35:54] residential use there. We do also uh I
[2:35:57] think this is an abandoned residence in
[2:35:58] the yellow here, but there is a house
[2:36:00] located there. And then there is some
[2:36:02] new residential proposed uh uh where the
[2:36:05] Moose Lodge used to be located there at
[2:36:07] the corner of 26 in Spring. There's also
[2:36:09] a hotel to the south uh um just behind
[2:36:12] Wraid. And then of course the the um the
[2:36:15] junior high school is just across the
[2:36:16] street.
[2:36:18] So looking at the general plan map um
[2:36:20] there are several general plan land use
[2:36:22] designations um in the in the vicinity.
[2:36:25] The property is currently in the
[2:36:26] mixeduse 12 uh land use designation and
[2:36:29] just to the south is the community
[2:36:31] commercial uh land use designation. So
[2:36:34] the both the general plan map and the
[2:36:36] zoning map change right at this property
[2:36:38] at its southern boundary. And so the
[2:36:40] applicant is requesting to move from the
[2:36:42] light purple area into the dark purple
[2:36:44] area. Um the mixeduse zone is the
[2:36:47] mixeduse 12 zone is more of a
[2:36:49] residential zone where limited
[2:36:51] commercial uses are allowed whereas the
[2:36:53] the CC the the community commercial
[2:36:56] general plan designation is more of a
[2:36:58] commercial area where residential is
[2:37:00] allowed. So, it's just kind of moving
[2:37:01] the balance between um kind of light
[2:37:04] light commercial uses to some um some
[2:37:06] more intensive commercial uses is what
[2:37:08] would largely be the change.
[2:37:11] Similarly, the zoning uh changes here as
[2:37:14] well. So, the property is currently in
[2:37:15] the T4F zoning district and would like
[2:37:18] to be in the TC2 zoning district. You
[2:37:21] can see the purposes of those two
[2:37:23] districts on the left uh for the T T4F
[2:37:26] and TC2. But similarly as I explained
[2:37:28] for the land use designations, T4F uh
[2:37:32] primarily residential with some uh
[2:37:34] limited commercial and the red TC2
[2:37:37] primarily commercial with some
[2:37:38] residential allowed.
[2:37:41] So there are um certain uses that are
[2:37:43] allowed in the TC2 that are not
[2:37:45] currently allowed in the T4F. So if the
[2:37:47] planning comm excuse me, if the city
[2:37:49] council were to change the zoning of
[2:37:51] this lot, um the uses in the red column
[2:37:54] will now be allowed on this site. Of
[2:37:56] course, these are uses that are allowed
[2:37:57] immediately to the south. Um, so this
[2:37:59] would just be expanding the area where
[2:38:01] there are some auto serving and alcohol
[2:38:03] serving um as well as um hotel and and
[2:38:07] some visitor serving uses would would be
[2:38:09] allowed um on this site as well.
[2:38:13] There are some development standards
[2:38:15] that would be changed. The T4F has um
[2:38:18] basically shorter buildings and larger
[2:38:20] setbacks. Uh the residential density
[2:38:22] would actually be the same. you can do
[2:38:24] 30 uh dwelling units per acre um both in
[2:38:27] the T4F and the TC2 but you'll see in
[2:38:30] the right hand column TC2 you could do
[2:38:32] taller buildings and then the buildings
[2:38:34] can be closer to the property lines.
[2:38:39] So the building the existing building um
[2:38:41] has been there for many years. It was uh
[2:38:43] Western Courts had its uh headquarters
[2:38:45] here. There was a dance studio here very
[2:38:47] recently um but it is currently vacant.
[2:38:50] So, the applicant is uh proposing to
[2:38:53] make some uh remodeling to the building.
[2:38:55] They would uh paint over existing
[2:38:56] materials um to give them a fresh new
[2:38:59] look, put some new sighting on the walls
[2:39:01] as well.
[2:39:04] And this is in order, this is the site
[2:39:06] plan. Um they would put new landscaping
[2:39:08] and some new decks at both the front and
[2:39:10] rear of the property and then along this
[2:39:12] side. Um they do continue to meet their
[2:39:14] parking requirement. Um and um some some
[2:39:17] nice improvements to the property.
[2:39:20] Uh here's some looks the this is the
[2:39:22] deck that's towards the middle. You can
[2:39:24] see there'd be signage on the walls and
[2:39:25] different uh windows going into the
[2:39:27] building.
[2:39:30] And here we're looking from the rear. Uh
[2:39:32] this is a deck that's at the rear of the
[2:39:33] that was proposed at the rear of the
[2:39:35] building.
[2:39:37] Um so these uh changes would be made in
[2:39:39] order to facilitate uh some new uses.
[2:39:42] There would be a retail or deli shop at
[2:39:44] the front of the building and then a
[2:39:46] series of kind of kiosks and little
[2:39:48] counter areas for different uh beer and
[2:39:50] wine, retail specialty uh food uh
[2:39:53] preparers, little spaces for different
[2:39:56] uh vendors to have businesses. And these
[2:39:59] retail and beer retail beer and wine
[2:40:01] spaces are really what has brought us to
[2:40:03] uh the city council today. Um the
[2:40:05] planning commission did not feel that
[2:40:07] they could make a they could not allow a
[2:40:10] project that had these wine tasting uses
[2:40:13] uh without changing the zoning and so
[2:40:14] they are recommending that the zoning be
[2:40:16] changing be changed in order to
[2:40:18] facilitate this business. You'll see
[2:40:20] there's also a meeting space a
[2:40:21] relatively modestsized meeting space at
[2:40:23] the rear of the building and that's why
[2:40:24] the prop the property excuse me project
[2:40:27] needs a conditional use permit.
[2:40:31] So, this project is exempt from SQA as a
[2:40:33] class one categorical exemption for
[2:40:35] existing structures. Um, you can see all
[2:40:37] the the fine uh print there at the
[2:40:39] bottom for what class one exemptions are
[2:40:40] for, but essentially it's taking
[2:40:42] existing buildings that don't have
[2:40:44] considerable uh expansion of use.
[2:40:48] The city council has options. The first
[2:40:50] would be to approve the project um uh by
[2:40:53] adopting this two resolutions for you
[2:40:55] this evening. The first would approve
[2:40:57] general plan amendment the general plan
[2:40:59] amendment to change the the general plan
[2:41:01] designation for the site uh as well as a
[2:41:03] specific plan amendment which would
[2:41:05] change the zoning for the site. The
[2:41:07] second resolution uh includes a
[2:41:09] conditional use permit uh for the
[2:41:11] private meeting facility and the site
[2:41:13] plan review for the physical changes to
[2:41:15] the site and building and the conditions
[2:41:17] of approval uh requiring um limited
[2:41:20] hours and some other um um conditions of
[2:41:22] approval are included in resolution B.
[2:41:25] The city council could amend and adopt
[2:41:27] those resolutions to approve the project
[2:41:28] with changes. If you feel you need more
[2:41:31] information, you could refer the project
[2:41:32] back to staff or the planning
[2:41:34] commission. And uh the fourth
[2:41:36] alternative would be to deny the project
[2:41:37] by making findings of denial. The
[2:41:40] planning commission is recommending that
[2:41:42] the city council approve the project. Um
[2:41:44] on July 8th, they reviewed and voted uh
[2:41:46] two votes to recommend the city council
[2:41:49] approve both resolutions to approve
[2:41:51] those general plan uh and uh specific
[2:41:54] plan map amendments as well as the
[2:41:56] conditional use permit and site plan
[2:41:58] review. Uh that concludes my report and
[2:42:00] I welcome your questions.
[2:42:01] >> Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my
[2:42:03] » Very good, Katie. Thank you. Start on my
[2:42:03] left. Anybody?
[2:42:04] >> Actually, I'd like to hear other
[2:42:06] » Actually, I'd like to hear other
[2:42:06] people's questions. I have a couple, but
[2:42:07] I want to listen.
[2:42:08] >> All right, I'll start on this side then.
[2:42:12] » All right, I'll start on this side then.
[2:42:12] >> Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um
[2:42:15] » Yeah. Um Katie, just one question. Um
[2:42:15] how did that portion of property get
[2:42:17] zoned
[2:42:19] uh multif family 12 when it was on a
[2:42:22] property with another um commercial
[2:42:24] development? Do you know how that
[2:42:26] happened?
[2:42:27] >> So the the uses that were there before
[2:42:29] » So the the uses that were there before
[2:42:29] were allowed in the T4F zone. So, by
[2:42:32] putting that zoning on it, it didn't
[2:42:33] make the, you know, the existing uses
[2:42:35] non-conforming. The TC2 uh is is kind of
[2:42:38] this the corner of 24th and Spring and
[2:42:41] south of that. So, I think, you know,
[2:42:42] you have to draw a line at some point
[2:42:44] and um you know, we wanted those use the
[2:42:46] more intensive uses to be at the corner
[2:42:48] and as we moved into the neighborhood,
[2:42:50] there would be less intensive uses.
[2:42:51] >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,
[2:42:53] » Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you,
[2:42:53] >> Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if
[2:42:56] » Chris. Chris B. Katie, I don't know if
[2:42:56] you can answer this. This might be a
[2:42:57] question for the developer. the um
[2:43:03] I I hate giving up the residential just
[2:43:05] because we need that and the multif
[2:43:06] family would be a good spot for this,
[2:43:09] but it doesn't look like there's enough
[2:43:11] space to allow for parking. Um would you
[2:43:15] agree with that or or would you offer
[2:43:17] some other opinion?
[2:43:19] >> The the changing the zoning will
[2:43:21] » The the changing the zoning will
[2:43:21] actually continue to allow the same
[2:43:22] number of residential units. The same
[2:43:24] owner actually took a project through
[2:43:26] the planning commission to do and I'm
[2:43:28] going to forget the number of units. I
[2:43:29] believe it was 20. They were going to
[2:43:31] reuse this building um and break it into
[2:43:33] four they called them quadplexes kind of
[2:43:35] four units and then there was going to
[2:43:36] be a new building in the rear but they
[2:43:38] have opted for this alternative for a
[2:43:41] commercial option.
[2:43:42] >> Okay. Thank you.
[2:43:44] » Okay. Thank you.
[2:43:44] >> So yeah, Katie, I had that same question
[2:43:46] » So yeah, Katie, I had that same question
[2:43:46] with parking. Is it adequately parked
[2:43:48] according to you know the code and and
[2:43:50] the use at this point? It is in the
[2:43:52] uptown town center specific plan for
[2:43:54] commercial uses. You need one parking
[2:43:56] space for every 400 square ft of
[2:43:58] commercial uh u tenant space and it does
[2:44:01] provide that number.
[2:44:02] >> Yeah, I noticed they have that outside
[2:44:04] » Yeah, I noticed they have that outside
[2:44:04] um covered area right there like in your
[2:44:06] photo and that they took out some
[2:44:08] parking. So, I wasn't sure if it changed
[2:44:09] that use and what was required at that
[2:44:12] point. So, we're okay with it then.
[2:44:13] Okay. Over here.
[2:44:15] >> Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was
[2:44:17] » Yes. Uh, I'd like to know if there was
[2:44:17] any consideration made and if so, what
[2:44:19] the comments were on having this much
[2:44:21] alcohol allowed in close proximity to
[2:44:24] middle school.
[2:44:28] » Um, the the applicant will have to go
[2:44:30] through the ABC process, the alcohol the
[2:44:32] the alcohol beverage control. Um, but it
[2:44:35] is certainly a concern, you know, that
[2:44:36] there are alcohol uses um that are would
[2:44:38] be allowed in the TC2. They are allowed
[2:44:40] immediately to the south. Um, but this
[2:44:42] would be an expansion of that area.
[2:44:44] Correct. Thank you.
[2:44:46] Okay, Miss Bill,
[2:44:47] >> in the staff report, you spoke about
[2:44:49] » in the staff report, you spoke about
[2:44:49] like outreach and you know, advertising
[2:44:51] the public hearing. Can you characterize
[2:44:53] some of the public comment you've had on
[2:44:55] this project?
[2:44:57] >> Um, we have not received much public
[2:44:59] » Um, we have not received much public
[2:44:59] comment. Um, as you noted, we all we've
[2:45:01] done is the standard noticing, which is
[2:45:02] sending postcards to uh property owners
[2:45:04] and residents within 300 ft of the site.
[2:45:07] There's a notice in the newspaper and we
[2:45:09] put a piece of we, you know, post the
[2:45:11] site as well to let folks know that
[2:45:13] there's a hearing coming. We have not
[2:45:14] had any public comments from the
[2:45:16] community.
[2:45:17] >> Thanks. And then so this has been
[2:45:18] » Thanks. And then so this has been
[2:45:18] through the DRC twice and to the
[2:45:20] planning commission for the planning
[2:45:23] commission hearing or meeting. Uh what
[2:45:25] was the staff recommendation at that
[2:45:27] time?
[2:45:28] >> At that time staff was recommending
[2:45:29] » At that time staff was recommending
[2:45:29] denial.
[2:45:31] >> Thank you.
[2:45:33] » Thank you.
[2:45:33] >> Okay. Questions? That's it.
[2:45:35] » Okay. Questions? That's it.
[2:45:35] >> All right. We'll open up then to the
[2:45:37] » All right. We'll open up then to the
[2:45:37] public for any discussion on this item
[2:45:39] or let's uh Linda, let's do the
[2:45:41] applicant. Uh we have Jamie. Oh,
[2:45:43] >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
[2:45:44] » yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
[2:45:44] >> Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.
[2:45:46] » Jamie wants to speak for the applicant.
[2:45:46] >> Thank you.
[2:45:48] » Thank you.
[2:45:48] You can go first if you want.
[2:45:52] I know. Me, too. Me, too.
[2:45:56] Let me make sure.
[2:46:00] Just making sure I understand how
[2:46:01] everything works. All right. Good
[2:46:03] evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the
[2:46:05] council. My name is Jamie Jones and I am
[2:46:08] representing uh the project this evening
[2:46:10] and I appreciate the time to walk
[2:46:12] through kind of the premise of the why
[2:46:14] behind the application and why we think
[2:46:16] this is a good um fit for the site and
[2:46:19] why the general plan amendment makes
[2:46:21] sense. So this property is about a half
[2:46:24] an acre in size. Um, important note and
[2:46:28] I don't I think it may have been in the
[2:46:30] staff report but not the presentation is
[2:46:33] that we sh this parcel shares access
[2:46:36] with the property immediately to the
[2:46:38] south. So the property line as you can
[2:46:40] see on this slide goes right against the
[2:46:42] back of the building. So whenever you're
[2:46:44] looking at orientation of this building
[2:46:47] it's oriented to the commercial uses in
[2:46:50] the commercial zoning in which we're
[2:46:52] requesting.
[2:46:54] And so what we're proposing um a number
[2:46:56] of requests, the general plan and the
[2:46:59] zoning amendment and that would change
[2:47:01] the zoning to the TC2 town center zoning
[2:47:05] which would allow and that's the uses
[2:47:07] that we're talking about is the the the
[2:47:09] small wine tasting and and beer kiosks
[2:47:13] and also a conditional use permit for a
[2:47:15] private meeting facility. There's some
[2:47:17] debate whether that's required because
[2:47:18] there's a conflict in the code if it's
[2:47:20] allowed or you know if it requires a cup
[2:47:23] or not but but we're here so let's go
[2:47:24] ahead and talk about it and ask ask for
[2:47:26] it. And then we also have a um the site
[2:47:28] plan that talks about site improvements
[2:47:30] and the renovation of this building that
[2:47:33] has been um standing as it is for quite
[2:47:36] some time and is in need of some
[2:47:38] upgrades.
[2:47:40] And so we um with this project it will
[2:47:43] support a mixeduse commercial project.
[2:47:45] It aligns with the surrounding
[2:47:47] commercial zoning that we orient to.
[2:47:49] We're um looking at this is a a needed
[2:47:52] space for providing affordable lease
[2:47:54] lease spaces for smaller startup
[2:47:57] wineries. And we see this is activating
[2:47:59] both daytime and evening businesses in
[2:48:02] this neighborhood.
[2:48:05] the the floor plan shows um we're
[2:48:08] looking at food service deli type use
[2:48:11] oriented along Spring Street and then um
[2:48:14] having some opportunity. We call it the
[2:48:16] specialty retail area. This is we we're
[2:48:19] talking about olive oil, other local
[2:48:21] food type producers or even crafts
[2:48:23] people that could come in and lease some
[2:48:26] spaces that are affordable. And then the
[2:48:28] um retail and beer wine kiosks. These
[2:48:31] are very small spaces and I think what
[2:48:34] works for this model that we're hearing
[2:48:36] is being able to have this combined
[2:48:38] space, combined restrooms and having
[2:48:41] storage space on site for the small
[2:48:44] producers. I do, you may know I do a lot
[2:48:47] of work in the county on much bigger
[2:48:49] wineries and it's really expensive and
[2:48:52] hard for our startup smaller wine makers
[2:48:55] to enter into our local market.
[2:49:00] The area that's subject to the cup is
[2:49:02] highlighted on this slide. This is the
[2:49:04] um called the east end of the building.
[2:49:07] And this a meeting hall. We see this
[2:49:10] meeting hall as being able to be open to
[2:49:12] community groups. Somebody wants to do a
[2:49:14] little a bridal shower. One of the
[2:49:17] wineries wants to have a wine club
[2:49:19] party. It's a it's both a community
[2:49:22] space and also a space for the tenants
[2:49:25] in the building.
[2:49:27] Um, here's a side-by-side comparison of
[2:49:29] the exterior changes. I think we can all
[2:49:32] agree that the changes proposed in this
[2:49:34] application is a pretty pretty
[2:49:35] significant upgrade and we think it will
[2:49:37] be a benefit to the neighborhood in this
[2:49:40] this um side of town.
[2:49:43] Um, as noted originally, it's um I know
[2:49:47] um Katie listed the different auto uses
[2:49:50] and different uses that could happen on
[2:49:52] the property. I could tell you that uses
[2:49:54] that that we're looking to target is
[2:49:57] specific to this amendment is the the
[2:50:00] wine tasting uses and to allow those
[2:50:02] small kiosks. They currently aren't
[2:50:04] allowed in the T4F, but they are allowed
[2:50:06] in the TC2 and they could be done in the
[2:50:09] building right next to it that we're
[2:50:11] orient to that we share our access with.
[2:50:14] This slide shows the existing zoning and
[2:50:18] this slide shows proposed zoning. Um, I
[2:50:21] did some street view, um, which I think
[2:50:24] is helpful, showing here existing
[2:50:26] zoning. The blue zoning, um, existing
[2:50:29] zoning goes to the back of the building.
[2:50:31] And I'm showing the shared access. So,
[2:50:33] there's a 20ft easement on the property
[2:50:35] to the south for reciprocal access and a
[2:50:38] 10-ft easement on our property. So, it's
[2:50:41] common access between the building to
[2:50:43] the south and our building.
[2:50:48] And again, this is showing um showing
[2:50:50] that we're moving and we're moving the
[2:50:54] zoning boundary 73 feet. And it's it's
[2:50:57] not a big change. I think if this was
[2:50:58] looked at when the specific plan was
[2:51:00] being done and it was understood that
[2:51:02] there was the shared access and the
[2:51:04] orientation of the building, I think the
[2:51:07] group would have put the line where
[2:51:09] we're proposing to show it today because
[2:51:11] it makes sense just from a general
[2:51:13] planning perspective of where the where
[2:51:16] the dividing line should be based on the
[2:51:18] the how parcels interrelate.
[2:51:23] So, with our proposed zoning change, we
[2:51:25] think that this property is more in
[2:51:27] alignment um with the TC2 zone and it
[2:51:30] and it would allow the adaptive reuse of
[2:51:32] this aging strip mall and transform it
[2:51:35] into what we hope to be a commercial
[2:51:37] hub. Um the reuse of the building aligns
[2:51:41] to for a vibrant mixeduse um project and
[2:51:44] we think it really promotes the vision
[2:51:46] that the TC2 was looking for.
[2:51:49] And the purpose, I talked about this a
[2:51:51] little bit, but you know, we're not
[2:51:53] looking to bring in large wine tasting
[2:51:56] rooms that are bringing in a lot of
[2:51:58] traffic. These are really the the
[2:51:59] smaller wine makers and um brew masters
[2:52:03] that can't they can't enter into
[2:52:05] downtown. Downtown's um pretty expensive
[2:52:07] and there aren't openings and even
[2:52:09] trying to get into Tin City, there just
[2:52:11] isn't a space for them to be. And I know
[2:52:14] just from people that call my office
[2:52:16] that want to look at doing a winery,
[2:52:19] some of them are tasting in their living
[2:52:20] rooms because or in their garages. I
[2:52:23] don't legal or not, but that's what
[2:52:25] they're doing because of the reality of
[2:52:26] the cost and they're they're trying to
[2:52:28] get in. So we think u you working with
[2:52:30] the owner, Mr. Becker, it's just there's
[2:52:32] a need out there and he thinks that this
[2:52:34] could be successful for everyone.
[2:52:38] And then um back to affordability, not
[2:52:41] just for the f future tenants, but we're
[2:52:44] looking that this is an opportunity for
[2:52:47] people living in in in this
[2:52:49] neighborhood. We're going to have food
[2:52:51] service. The um and also food sales. I
[2:52:55] know I heard some concern about all this
[2:52:57] alcohol in proximity to this school, and
[2:53:00] I understand it, but this isn't intended
[2:53:02] to be a, you know, a traditional bar
[2:53:04] space or something like that. um it's
[2:53:07] really not that that's not what we
[2:53:09] envision it being and also having the
[2:53:11] opportunity for community gathering
[2:53:13] through that the use of um hopefully you
[2:53:16] know an affordable meeting space that we
[2:53:18] we think is needed
[2:53:20] and with that we think the project
[2:53:22] concluding um I we think it aligns with
[2:53:26] the uptown area and reading through your
[2:53:28] five-year economic development strategy
[2:53:30] we think that this aligns with some of
[2:53:32] those strategies that supports the local
[2:53:34] needs for businesses and We think it'll
[2:53:36] be a really good addition to the
[2:53:38] neighborhood. And that concludes my
[2:53:41] comments. Um, we do request that you
[2:53:43] support the planning commission
[2:53:44] recommendation. I know we did go into
[2:53:46] planning commission with a
[2:53:47] recommendation of denial.
[2:53:50] The planning commission did support it
[2:53:52] unanimously. You and there was a lot a
[2:53:55] backstory that went on with that with a
[2:53:57] development review committee and the
[2:53:59] application process. It from the
[2:54:02] beginning the applicant was very clear.
[2:54:03] He wanted to have the wine these wine
[2:54:05] tasting kiosks and started out in the
[2:54:09] application with a I think it was a
[2:54:10] community market where we could have 60%
[2:54:13] of the use to food stuff and then we
[2:54:15] could have 40% to other things. So he
[2:54:19] tried to squeeze the wine tasting into
[2:54:21] that other 40%. And when we got to DRC
[2:54:25] DRC's like no you know that's not that
[2:54:28] doesn't work if that's what you want to
[2:54:30] do. you know, amend your project to
[2:54:32] something else or come back and let's um
[2:54:34] put it through the right process and
[2:54:36] give it the right zoning. And so that's
[2:54:38] why we've taken the extra steps doing a
[2:54:40] general plan amendment in um zone
[2:54:42] change. You know, that's it's not an
[2:54:44] easy task and we know it's not easy as a
[2:54:46] decision maker for for your council, but
[2:54:49] we really do think it makes sense in
[2:54:51] this instance. And so that concludes my
[2:54:53] comments. We do have the property owner
[2:54:55] here and the architect and members of
[2:54:57] the applicant team. Thank you. Jamie, do
[2:55:00] you want questions of yourself first?
[2:55:01] Uh, I had one, but does council have
[2:55:04] anything? Chris B, go ahead.
[2:55:07] >> Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,
[2:55:09] » Uh, and if Larry wants to answer this,
[2:55:09] that's fine, too. But, um, I didn't see
[2:55:11] anything with with dimensions. Uh, when
[2:55:14] you said small, can you give me just a
[2:55:16] rough idea of what the what the retail
[2:55:18] spaces are and the what the meeting
[2:55:20] space is and are those going to be
[2:55:22] demise walls or what's going to happen
[2:55:25] with that?
[2:55:25] >> Let me see if I've got the dimensions
[2:55:27] » Let me see if I've got the dimensions
[2:55:27] here.
[2:55:29] I think I have the floor plan
[2:55:38] and I will let Larry, if you would like
[2:55:40] to, if he doesn't mind, walk through the
[2:55:43] floor plans, but we have four kiosks.
[2:55:45] We'll just look at the square footage on
[2:55:47] on the screen. We've got four wine beer
[2:55:50] tasting kiosks and that. So, they're
[2:55:51] around 500 square foot each.
[2:55:53] >> Okay.
[2:55:53] » Okay.
[2:55:53] >> Okay. And then um the meeting room is
[2:55:57] » Okay. And then um the meeting room is
[2:55:57] around 1,500 square feet.
[2:55:59] >> Okay. So it's larger than I thought.
[2:56:01] » Okay. So it's larger than I thought.
[2:56:01] Okay.
[2:56:01] >> Good.
[2:56:02] » Good.
[2:56:02] >> It's a 8,000 foot building, right?
[2:56:04] » It's a 8,000 foot building, right?
[2:56:04] >> So yeah, I mean there there's room.
[2:56:06] » So yeah, I mean there there's room.
[2:56:06] There is room, but these are um again
[2:56:08] smaller. We're putting the that putting
[2:56:10] the um the retail beer and wine towards
[2:56:12] the rear of the building.
[2:56:14] >> Jamie had a question on the common area,
[2:56:17] » Jamie had a question on the common area,
[2:56:17] the outside open area. Um the the
[2:56:20] coverage area. Is that for basically uh
[2:56:23] anyone who wants to like for instance
[2:56:24] buy something to eat, come over there
[2:56:25] and sit down and eat it. Is that what
[2:56:27] it's about basically?
[2:56:28] >> Yeah, I would I would characterize the
[2:56:30] » Yeah, I would I would characterize the
[2:56:30] the center deck as the common space
[2:56:32] where if you grab a sandwich, you want
[2:56:34] to come sit down and eat outside or you
[2:56:37] get some olive oil to get some bread. Um
[2:56:39] but then the back deck, I think we'd
[2:56:41] look at that as being me more oriented
[2:56:43] for the um event space.
[2:56:45] >> Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any
[2:56:48] » Got it. Thank you. Over here. Any
[2:56:48] questions for Jan?
[2:56:50] >> Okay.
[2:56:51] » Okay.
[2:56:51] >> Okay.
[2:56:51] » Okay.
[2:56:51] >> You're off the hook.
[2:56:52] » You're off the hook.
[2:56:52] >> Larry, you wanted to address
[2:56:54] » Larry, you wanted to address
[2:56:54] >> anything you want to say?
[2:56:57] » anything you want to say?
[2:56:57] >> Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel
[2:57:00] » Larry Gabriel, 53010th Street, Gabriel
[2:57:00] Architects.
[2:57:02] Um, quickly, I guess.
[2:57:08] » Uh, the wine tasting areas are are
[2:57:11] modest. They're about 30 ft deep and
[2:57:14] about 20 ft wide. So, modest spaces. Um,
[2:57:19] hopefully, you know, it's going to have
[2:57:21] some tasting area and a little bit of
[2:57:23] storage, but it's not going to have
[2:57:24] barrel storage. It's going to have just
[2:57:25] some case goods and some of those kind
[2:57:26] of things. So, just again, just uh
[2:57:29] modest tasting rooms. Um, I wanted to
[2:57:33] address the uh residential uh issue a
[2:57:36] little bit. Uh, we did design the
[2:57:38] project before with uh 20 units in it.
[2:57:41] We took this building, we divided it up
[2:57:43] and uh took slices out of it for for
[2:57:46] patios and put in small studio units.
[2:57:50] And then in the back we did a little
[2:57:51] three-story building. And um we got
[2:57:54] every square foot you could possibly get
[2:57:56] out of that little piece of property.
[2:57:58] And it was just really cutting up the
[2:58:01] building and it just didn't pencil when
[2:58:03] we got done. So this basically is
[2:58:05] keeping the building intact. We're uh
[2:58:07] renovating it completely indoors,
[2:58:09] outdoors. Um, and but beyond that, also
[2:58:13] on the residential, if this building
[2:58:15] came down, there's a 10-ft setback on
[2:58:18] the northand side. There's 12t of backup
[2:58:21] space that you're giving up on the
[2:58:23] driveway. So, it it it narrows it down
[2:58:26] to something of 40 ft wide uh of working
[2:58:29] space to put build a building and uh and
[2:58:32] parking. It just doesn't pencil at all.
[2:58:35] We've done some um conceptuals on the
[2:58:38] building on the property next door which
[2:58:39] is much much larther. We looked at that
[2:58:41] and getting up to 60 60 units and it
[2:58:44] still hasn't been sold out for anybody
[2:58:45] in the last four years that we've been
[2:58:47] working on it. So the commercial uh will
[2:58:49] give this thing some life. It's been
[2:58:51] sitting vacant for a while. It's uh been
[2:58:54] uh it's been a while since it's been
[2:58:56] updated and so we think we've got the uh
[2:58:58] the package here that that'll be
[2:59:00] successful. So I'm here if you have any
[2:59:02] more questions. Larry, I have one real
[2:59:04] quick on the uh retail beer and wine.
[2:59:07] Are there going to be some sort of a
[2:59:08] closure on each one of those kiosks?
[2:59:12] >> Well, we had it closed up in the back
[2:59:13] » Well, we had it closed up in the back
[2:59:14] for storage and just an empty uh counter
[2:59:16] in the front.
[2:59:17] >> Okay.
[2:59:18] » Okay.
[2:59:18] >> Depending as we've done wineries and
[2:59:19] » Depending as we've done wineries and
[2:59:20] things, you know, some people just want
[2:59:21] to put a couple barrels and a 4x12
[2:59:22] across it and call it a countertop.
[2:59:24] Others want to get very exotic. So, um
[2:59:28] we've just seen a variety. So, we kind
[2:59:30] of leave it open, but we'll have a back
[2:59:33] uh storage closed off area to keep the
[2:59:35] case out of the way.
[2:59:36] >> Yeah, because it's a common hallway
[2:59:37] » Yeah, because it's a common hallway
[2:59:38] essentially, isn't it? I mean, when
[2:59:39] they're
[2:59:39] >> common way, we anticipate to have some
[2:59:41] » common way, we anticipate to have some
[2:59:41] kiosk in there. It's basically um an
[2:59:44] indoor uh um farmers market, if you
[2:59:48] will. There's some small spaces for
[2:59:50] people to sell local goods and candles,
[2:59:52] wine, uh I mean u olive oil, nuts, those
[2:59:56] kinds of things on a indoor space.
[2:59:59] >> Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the
[3:00:01] » Okay. Yeah, I'm just concerned about the
[3:00:01] security. In other words, we talked a
[3:00:03] little bit about the school across the
[3:00:04] street and this will probably be open
[3:00:06] during school hours and and security if
[3:00:08] they weren't open if a particular kiosk
[3:00:10] was not open at the time.
[3:00:12] >> No, it would be I see it would be lock
[3:00:15] » No, it would be I see it would be lock
[3:00:15] that part would be locked up for sure,
[3:00:16] >> right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
[3:00:18] » right? That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
[3:00:18] >> Yeah. No access no access to the storage
[3:00:21] » Yeah. No access no access to the storage
[3:00:21] storage goods. Yeah.
[3:00:22] >> Very good. All right. Anyone else on
[3:00:24] » Very good. All right. Anyone else on
[3:00:24] Right.
[3:00:25] >> Anyone else?
[3:00:27] » Anyone else?
[3:00:27] >> Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open
[3:00:29] » Thank you, Larry. Okay. Okay, we'll open
[3:00:29] up to public comment for on this item.
[3:00:30] Please come forward, Linda.
[3:00:32] >> Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126
[3:00:34] » Okay, here we go. Linda George, 3126
[3:00:34] Spring Street. Okay, I don't know. I've
[3:00:37] I am under the the understanding that
[3:00:40] this city is now 61% Hispanic. Mayor,
[3:00:43] you asked me a question when I
[3:00:44] interviewed for district 1. What would I
[3:00:46] do with North County? Well, what I said
[3:00:49] was from 24th Street to 101, people
[3:00:52] refer to that as Little Mexico. Okay.
[3:00:55] And I would like to see the Hispanic
[3:00:58] community have their own area in this
[3:01:00] city. So I'm against this project for
[3:01:03] this one reason. And I do know, Miss
[3:01:06] Bill, I read the agenda, so I knew it
[3:01:09] was under denial status when they
[3:01:11] recommended to the planning commission.
[3:01:13] My curiosity is why did the staff
[3:01:16] decline it? You don't want alcohol
[3:01:18] there? primarily when Flamson lets out.
[3:01:22] Dollar Tree already has a problem with
[3:01:24] the kids playing ball.
[3:01:28] Literally playing ball. I was there.
[3:01:31] They are destroying that store.
[3:01:35] The staff are overwhelmed. You put in
[3:01:38] little kiosk highass retail that you
[3:01:41] find 73 feet over, it's gonna get
[3:01:45] demolished.
[3:01:47] Literally. Okay. So, my concern is that
[3:01:51] I would like to see from 24th Street
[3:01:54] after the bridge all the way to 101 be
[3:01:56] the Hispanic community. I want to know
[3:01:59] how much the city u Mr. Sloan has
[3:02:01] outreached to the larger Hispanic
[3:02:04] corporations, grocery stores, anything
[3:02:07] like that that could come on in and buy
[3:02:09] the buildings just like everybody else
[3:02:12] can. I think it's very important that
[3:02:14] the Hispanic community has their own
[3:02:17] area and we are there.
[3:02:20] If you sell I will say this to the the
[3:02:23] person who's sell or buying this. If you
[3:02:25] serve Modello takers
[3:02:32] you serve wine you're going to get a
[3:02:34] trashed building. I feel for Dollar Tree
[3:02:37] every time I go in there. They are
[3:02:39] throwing their items around. property
[3:02:42] destruction is the number one issue they
[3:02:43] have. And you guys know that about me.
[3:02:46] When I walk into a store, I talk to
[3:02:47] everybody and ask them how they're
[3:02:49] doing. Chief Nord already knows and he
[3:02:51] has sent the police to drive around
[3:02:52] there at 2:00. So, I promise you, as
[3:02:55] soon as the kids get out, they are going
[3:02:57] to destroy that. How are they going to
[3:02:59] handle 50 kids coming into their deli?
[3:03:02] How are they going to handle 60 kids all
[3:03:04] wanting to eat on their deck?
[3:03:07] It is a security risk to put alcohol
[3:03:10] there. That is why all the stores are on
[3:03:13] the other end. Okay? So, I really hope
[3:03:16] that you guys start respecting the
[3:03:18] Hispanic community that is here. We're
[3:03:20] not going nowhere and we're going to
[3:03:22] keep growing. So, give us our community.
[3:03:26] Thank you,
[3:03:28] >> Dale. Welcome.
[3:03:30] » Dale. Welcome.
[3:03:30] >> Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this
[3:03:33] » Uh Dale Gustin, I'm not against this
[3:03:33] project. Uh I don't know if they're
[3:03:36] going to be able to get ABC to give them
[3:03:39] a license for alcohol, but that's uh
[3:03:42] their problem. Uh but it certainly that
[3:03:46] property is a definite eyesore the way
[3:03:48] it is. And if they can do something
[3:03:52] that's not going to be an eyesore, I'm
[3:03:54] for it.
[3:03:55] >> Thank you,
[3:03:58] » Thank you,
[3:03:58] >> Francisco. Welcome,
[3:04:03] » Francisco Ramirez, mayor, city council
[3:04:05] members. Thank you. Um, I for one, I
[3:04:09] don't speak for those other Hispanic or
[3:04:11] Latinos that were just mentioned earlier
[3:04:13] earlier. Um, as you know, I grew up here
[3:04:16] in Paso Robles. I went to Marie Bower
[3:04:19] and and Flamson and Pas Robles High
[3:04:22] School. Um, and I I I don't agree that
[3:04:26] there is security risk. I mean, since I
[3:04:30] remember going there sixth, seventh, and
[3:04:32] eighth grade, uh, there have always been
[3:04:34] a gas station right across the street
[3:04:37] that sells beer, sells alcohol, sells
[3:04:40] cigarettes. There's another one, Kitty
[3:04:42] Corner, right across the street that
[3:04:44] also sells alcohol and cigarettes. And
[3:04:47] that's never been a problem before. I
[3:04:49] mean, I remember getting out of Flamson
[3:04:51] and then running there and getting, you
[3:04:53] know, getting my gum and getting my
[3:04:54] sodas or Gatorade before I get home cuz
[3:04:57] I was seriously I was tired of school
[3:04:59] already. Um, so I I do approve of this
[3:05:02] and I want to say uh with the planning
[3:05:04] commission that already, you know,
[3:05:05] approved of this. I would like for you
[3:05:07] guys to support that and also our staff
[3:05:10] saying for you guys to approve this, I I
[3:05:12] would agree on that. Um and then also um
[3:05:16] before there was writ
[3:05:20] because I used to walk it. Um and that
[3:05:23] grocery store also had alcohol, had
[3:05:26] cigarettes. Um so I don't believe in
[3:05:30] that being a a risk there or security
[3:05:32] issue. There's always been alcohol and
[3:05:35] uh cigarettes available in that corner
[3:05:38] right in front of Flamson. As a former
[3:05:41] student of Flamson, one of my teachers
[3:05:43] is here, too.
[3:05:47] She knows that I always attended school
[3:05:50] and I ran out soon as that bell rang. I
[3:05:53] was going across the street to give me a
[3:05:55] drink or give me snacks or gum. So, I do
[3:05:58] approve and I wish you guys listen to
[3:06:00] our staff and to also our planning
[3:06:02] commission. Thank you.
[3:06:03] >> All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone
[3:06:07] » All right, Francisco. Thank you. Anyone
[3:06:07] else?
[3:06:09] All right, we'll close public comment.
[3:06:10] Bring it back to
[3:06:12] >> Yeah, we got one more.
[3:06:14] » Yeah, we got one more.
[3:06:14] >> Come on in, John.
[3:06:15] » Come on in, John.
[3:06:15] >> Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at
[3:06:19] » Hi, I'm Tim Gearhart. Um I taught at
[3:06:19] Flamson for quite a few years
[3:06:23] and um my only concern quite frankly
[3:06:27] right now
[3:06:29] beyond the alcohol situation because
[3:06:32] quite frankly I don't think it's going
[3:06:34] to go uh I don't think they'll approve
[3:06:37] uh the location that close to Flamson
[3:06:42] but there are other issues there that
[3:06:46] haven't really been uh aired that I'm
[3:06:50] concerned about.
[3:06:52] I live on Rosemary Drive right next to
[3:06:57] Almond Acres.
[3:06:59] We have uh 58 homes in that uh area and
[3:07:06] over a 100 cars of our own. And the
[3:07:10] things that unite us is trying to get
[3:07:13] out of that area.
[3:07:17] uh
[3:07:18] at 7:00 to about 8:30
[3:07:22] we can't get out to our own work. Uh
[3:07:26] coming home, same type of thing. And
[3:07:29] we're working on that and we'll continue
[3:07:33] to actively uh look at the safety uh
[3:07:38] situation.
[3:07:40] The thing that bothers me about this is
[3:07:44] the question of potential
[3:07:47] traffic problems, especially going on to
[3:07:51] uh
[3:07:52] Spring Street.
[3:07:54] If we go ahead and do this project, we
[3:07:59] have to have more ways of getting in and
[3:08:03] out besides one driveway.
[3:08:08] Okay. The second part that concerns me
[3:08:12] is what's going to happen when parents
[3:08:15] come and the buses come to drop off the
[3:08:19] students and then around 3:00 come to go
[3:08:23] ahead and pick them up. Now, if that
[3:08:28] problem can be solved,
[3:08:31] great. Let's do it. But until then,
[3:08:36] with my own experience on Rosemary
[3:08:39] Drive, uh, it becomes a real safety
[3:08:43] issue. Thank you.
[3:08:45] >> Thank you, Tim.
[3:08:47] » Thank you, Tim.
[3:08:47] Okay. Anyone else in the audience?
[3:08:50] Anyone online? Melissa?
[3:08:51] >> No, sir.
[3:08:52] » No, sir.
[3:08:52] >> Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it
[3:08:54] » Okay. Now, we'll close it and bring it
[3:08:54] back to council for discussion and or
[3:08:57] action on this item.
[3:09:00] >> Go ahead, Chris.
[3:09:02] » Go ahead, Chris.
[3:09:02] You want to start?
[3:09:03] >> I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's
[3:09:06] » I will. Yeah, I appreciate everyone's
[3:09:06] comments and uh the presentation by
[3:09:09] Jamie. This is tricky because of sort of
[3:09:12] the boundary on those zoning areas. Um
[3:09:15] and the way, you know, I'm going to be
[3:09:17] approaching all of these land use
[3:09:21] decisions that we're making like what
[3:09:23] does the community need? And I think
[3:09:26] it's a it's a unique location with some
[3:09:29] unique needs.
[3:09:32] And uh like what was mentioned with uh
[3:09:35] some of my colleagues, you know, the the
[3:09:38] need for resident residential is very
[3:09:41] important. And I appreciate that maybe
[3:09:44] it didn't pencil out in the uh through
[3:09:46] the architecture process. Um but that
[3:09:49] does not negate the fact that the
[3:09:52] community needs housing. The community
[3:09:55] needs child care and especially the
[3:09:59] community needs lots of things and I'm
[3:10:01] not sure if this particular project it
[3:10:03] is beautiful. It is an improvement from
[3:10:07] an aesthetic standpoint but I'm not sure
[3:10:10] if it's what the Uptown uh center needs.
[3:10:14] >> Thank Chris Fred.
[3:10:17] » Thank Chris Fred.
[3:10:17] >> Yeah. Well, I have a little different
[3:10:19] » Yeah. Well, I have a little different
[3:10:19] point of view and
[3:10:22] I understand Linda's
[3:10:24] understanding about the Hispanic
[3:10:26] community, but I I'm not in favor of
[3:10:29] creating gilders and I'm more for
[3:10:31] integration, not segregation. And I
[3:10:34] appreciated Francisco saying as much too
[3:10:37] that the Hispanic they've worked very
[3:10:38] hard to try to integrate this Hispanic
[3:10:40] community with the white community, not
[3:10:43] segregated. And I think that's very
[3:10:45] important that we have to treat each
[3:10:47] other equally and and not create
[3:10:50] things situations like that.
[3:10:54] I respect the architect and his opinion
[3:10:57] about about residential. If it doesn't
[3:11:00] pencil, it doesn't pencil. And it's as
[3:11:03] simple as that. You can't make the
[3:11:06] property unusable.
[3:11:08] And it really looks like this is about
[3:11:10] the only practical use for that property
[3:11:13] as it currently exists. Now, if it was
[3:11:16] purchased by one of the neighboring
[3:11:17] properties and integrated into a
[3:11:18] neighbor neighboring property, that's a
[3:11:21] whole different story. But as long as it
[3:11:23] is a single property owner and stands
[3:11:25] alone, I think this may be the best use
[3:11:28] possible.
[3:11:30] >> Good. Prom Gregory.
[3:11:33] » Good. Prom Gregory.
[3:11:33] >> Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.
[3:11:35] » Yeah. Um, I'll agree with Fred on that.
[3:11:36] I think one of the issues that's really
[3:11:37] important on this property that's
[3:11:39] unusual is the access, the ingress and
[3:11:42] the egress. It's a shared egress in um
[3:11:46] ingress. I've been visiting that
[3:11:48] property for years for my friends who
[3:11:50] owned Western Courts and if traffic is a
[3:11:54] concern, they has they had a dance
[3:11:56] school in the back with lots of traffic
[3:11:58] coming and going. And um I really think
[3:12:01] it's important to for a property to be
[3:12:04] developed to attract business. It's the
[3:12:08] dream of the owners to make something
[3:12:10] that's going to work. And a couple
[3:12:12] really nice benefits of this project,
[3:12:14] they've got the food specialty in the
[3:12:16] deli in the front, the wine and beer
[3:12:19] tasting in the back, and then they have
[3:12:21] this public meeting room where they
[3:12:22] might even let Linda George have a
[3:12:24] meeting if she asks. Anyway,
[3:12:27] but it's kind of a perfect use because
[3:12:30] the property right next door is heavily
[3:12:32] commercial where they used to
[3:12:33] manufacture all the lights and um I
[3:12:36] think it's a great project and I'm ready
[3:12:38] to make a motion if somebody else wants
[3:12:40] >> Chris.
[3:12:43] » Chris.
[3:12:43] Well, thank you for for waiting for just
[3:12:44] a moment. Um
[3:12:47] I've I've always been a private property
[3:12:50] rights person. Always. Um, I think it's
[3:12:54] up to the individual property owner to
[3:12:56] make a decision whether or not the the
[3:13:00] land
[3:13:02] uh the neighborhood city will support
[3:13:05] their vision uh and make a viable
[3:13:08] project. Uh I respect the property
[3:13:11] owners uh time and investment in uh
[3:13:15] acquiring the property in developing uh
[3:13:17] new plans for the property. uh those
[3:13:20] those have to be respected. I appreciate
[3:13:23] Mr. Gabriel taking the time to look at
[3:13:27] uh perhaps uh making a residential use
[3:13:30] out of it. Does not appear that that's
[3:13:32] uh viable. You have to respect that. Uh
[3:13:37] we cannot will not legislate property
[3:13:40] owners into what they have to do. And
[3:13:42] we're going to be taking up another
[3:13:43] project here or another topic later on
[3:13:46] this evening. um similar themes will
[3:13:48] come into play. I think we we have to go
[3:13:51] forward uh if this is within the current
[3:13:54] state um of of what our rules and
[3:13:58] regulations uh will will allow. I I
[3:14:01] think it's it's proper for us to
[3:14:03] consider this. Um to Miss George's
[3:14:06] point, if if you think you know the uh
[3:14:09] uptown or the project or plan should be
[3:14:13] amended, make that a project. Um, but I
[3:14:17] I don't think you can hope for that to
[3:14:19] happen in the future and make it
[3:14:21] retroactive to this project today. Um,
[3:14:24] so with with due respect for for your
[3:14:27] suggestion. Um, with that, I'll let Mr.
[3:14:29] Gregory.
[3:14:31] >> Well, I was going to weigh in too.
[3:14:32] » Well, I was going to weigh in too.
[3:14:32] Again, I I very supportive of the
[3:14:34] project. I mean, I believe I know the
[3:14:36] original owners of this building, too,
[3:14:38] and I think they're probably close to 70
[3:14:40] years old, if not 60 at least. uh and to
[3:14:43] see uh architect Gabriel come up with a
[3:14:47] design that really improved that whole
[3:14:48] property is amazing. I I really think
[3:14:50] it's going to be much improved uh to the
[3:14:53] the area with regard to, you know,
[3:14:56] having that TC2 just contiguous to that
[3:15:01] lot. We can have the same use there, but
[3:15:03] not uh on the north side of the of the
[3:15:06] line. It doesn't make sense to me. It's
[3:15:08] all in the same unit pretty much. not to
[3:15:10] means that you know they're going to
[3:15:11] have wine sales there but they could
[3:15:13] have sales there. So I think that uh
[3:15:16] it's an you know to me opportunity for
[3:15:20] small entrepreneurs to show their wares
[3:15:22] and if it's not wine it could be
[3:15:24] something else and um having a food uh
[3:15:27] place there too along with outside
[3:15:28] seating I think again it's a great use
[3:15:30] along with some meeting room space. So u
[3:15:33] very impressive Larry uh what you did
[3:15:35] there. So I'm uh I'm good and supportive
[3:15:38] with. So Councilman Gregory if you'd
[3:15:40] like to make a motion. Um,
[3:15:42] I just want to compliment um, Jamie Kirk
[3:15:44] and the owner of this project for
[3:15:46] design. It's really nicely done. It'll
[3:15:49] be a nice improvement. So, I'm going to
[3:15:51] move that we approve resolution 25XXA
[3:15:54] to approve the general plan amendment
[3:15:57] 25-01
[3:15:58] and a specific plan amendment 251.
[3:16:02] >> Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and
[3:16:05] » Okay. We have a motion by Gregory and
[3:16:05] second by Strong. I'm going to second
[3:16:08] that.
[3:16:08] >> Second by Strong. Okay.
[3:16:10] » Second by Strong. Okay.
[3:16:10] Now I will call for the motion on the
[3:16:12] first resolution.
[3:16:13] >> Council member Gregory I.
[3:16:15] » Council member Gregory I.
[3:16:15] >> Council member Strong I.
[3:16:16] » Council member Strong I.
[3:16:16] >> Council member Bosch.
[3:16:17] » Council member Bosch.
[3:16:17] >> Hi.
[3:16:18] » Hi.
[3:16:18] >> Council member Val.
[3:16:19] » Council member Val.
[3:16:19] >> No. Mayor Hammond.
[3:16:20] » No. Mayor Hammond.
[3:16:20] >> I.
[3:16:21] » I.
[3:16:21] >> Motion passes.
[3:16:22] » Motion passes.
[3:16:22] >> Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move
[3:16:26] » Okay. Uh secondly, I'll approve move
[3:16:26] that we approve the resolution 25XXX
[3:16:29] B to approve the conditional use permit
[3:16:32] 24-10
[3:16:34] for private meeting facility site plan
[3:16:36] review 2413 for the physical changes to
[3:16:39] the site and building.
[3:16:41] >> Second.
[3:16:42] » Second.
[3:16:42] >> Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by
[3:16:44] » Okay. Motion by Gregory, second by
[3:16:44] Bosch. Discussion.
[3:16:46] >> Okay. Call for the question on that.
[3:16:47] » Okay. Call for the question on that.
[3:16:47] >> Council member Gregory.
[3:16:49] » Council member Gregory.
[3:16:49] >> I.
[3:16:49] » I.
[3:16:49] >> Council member Bosch.
[3:16:50] » Council member Bosch.
[3:16:50] >> I.
[3:16:51] » I.
[3:16:51] >> Council member Beal.
[3:16:52] » Council member Beal.
[3:16:52] >> No. Council member Strong.
[3:16:53] » No. Council member Strong.
[3:16:53] >> I.
[3:16:54] » I.
[3:16:54] >> Mayor Hammond.
[3:16:55] » Mayor Hammond.
[3:16:55] >> Hi.
[3:16:55] » Hi.
[3:16:55] >> Motion passes.
[3:16:57] » Motion passes.
[3:16:57] >> Very good. Well, thank you.
[3:16:59] » Very good. Well, thank you.
[3:16:59] >> Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll
[3:17:01] » Want to do a fivem minute break? We'll
[3:17:01] take a recess.
[3:24:18] church.
[3:24:22] » Can everybody take their seats? We'll go
[3:24:24] ahead and get started again.
[3:24:30] [Music]
[3:24:48] Okay, we'll go ahead and reconvene the
[3:24:50] meeting if everybody take a quiet.
[3:24:54] We'll begin with discussion items uh
[3:24:57] tonight. Number one, it's going to be a
[3:24:59] legislative update and review regarding
[3:25:02] food truck regulations. So, who has
[3:25:04] that? Warren
[3:25:07] >> or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[3:25:10] » or Piper Smith? Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[3:25:10] Um, Warren Fre, community development
[3:25:12] director. I'm just going to do a brief
[3:25:13] introduction on this item. Um, we have
[3:25:16] two of our city planners here tonight,
[3:25:18] Katie Banister and Piper Smith. They've
[3:25:20] both been working really hard to get
[3:25:22] this item ready for um, discussion
[3:25:25] tonight. So Piper will be making the
[3:25:27] presentation, but both Piper and Katie
[3:25:30] are available to answer questions as
[3:25:31] they come up. So Piper, take it away.
[3:25:35] >> Good evening, mayor and council members
[3:25:37] » Good evening, mayor and council members
[3:25:37] and audience here with us today. Um, I'm
[3:25:39] here to discuss a the food truck
[3:25:41] regulations update and review.
[3:25:46] So what is a food truck?
[3:25:49] Here are some examples of what we would
[3:25:51] consider a food truck. Um, per our code,
[3:25:54] it is defined as a vending vehicle
[3:25:55] selling food and or beverages um in an
[3:25:58] operable motorized coach or trailer with
[3:26:00] a current DMV registration and a current
[3:26:02] food safety permit acceptable to the St.
[3:26:04] Louis Bispo County Health Service
[3:26:06] Division. Um, as you can tell, these
[3:26:09] photos reflect both trailers and trucks
[3:26:11] themselves. So, the trailers are often
[3:26:13] accompanied by personal vehicles.
[3:26:17] What is not considered a food truck by
[3:26:18] our code um are merchandise booths um
[3:26:23] carts booths popups caterers selling
[3:26:27] food. So these are non-motorized um
[3:26:29] these often tend to be in public right
[3:26:31] of way. Um therefore they do not fit
[3:26:34] into the definition of what we consider
[3:26:35] a food truck.
[3:26:39] So the current city permitting process
[3:26:41] step one is to obtain an approved mobile
[3:26:43] food facility permit through the county
[3:26:44] of St. less abyspo.
[3:26:47] Then mobile food facility operators take
[3:26:50] that county mobile food facility permit
[3:26:52] and apply for a city business license to
[3:26:54] operate within city limits.
[3:26:57] That business license is routed to
[3:26:58] industrial waste to acknowledge the fat,
[3:27:01] oil, and grease and discharge
[3:27:02] requirements. And it is routed to the
[3:27:04] planning department to acknowledge
[3:27:06] operational requirements and obtain the
[3:27:08] appropriate food truck permit.
[3:27:12] and renewal and inspection is required
[3:27:14] every year for both that mobile food
[3:27:16] facility permit and the business
[3:27:17] license.
[3:27:20] So to touch on the first step, the
[3:27:22] county of St. Louis Bispo public health
[3:27:24] department mobile food facility permits.
[3:27:26] I do want to emphasize that they
[3:27:28] regulate food preparation, health and
[3:27:30] safety and facility occupancy. They do
[3:27:32] not regulate where or when they can
[3:27:36] operate. That is to the discretion of
[3:27:38] the jurisdiction they are within. They
[3:27:40] are also required to submit a restroom
[3:27:42] use agreement annually if they're
[3:27:44] conducting business on a site for 1 hour
[3:27:47] or more. Um, and that restroom must be
[3:27:49] in 200 ft proximity to the vehicle um,
[3:27:52] and available for use for employees and
[3:27:55] contain um, appropriate hand sanit hand
[3:27:58] sanitizing facilities.
[3:28:00] In addition to that, a commissary use
[3:28:02] agreement is required to be submitted
[3:28:03] annually and this acknowledges the food
[3:28:06] truck storage, waste disposal and
[3:28:09] servicing and cleaning facility. So upon
[3:28:11] obtaining that mobile food facility
[3:28:13] permit, you are acknowledging that you
[3:28:14] are working in conjunction with a
[3:28:16] commissary use or you have an
[3:28:19] alternative approved commissary or food
[3:28:21] preparation facility in conjunction with
[3:28:23] your food truck. Here on the image of
[3:28:25] the right, you can see that every food
[3:28:28] truck that has received a health permit
[3:28:30] through the county of St. Louis Bispo is
[3:28:32] required to have a sticker similar to a
[3:28:35] DMV registration sticker with the
[3:28:37] expiration date, the date of permitting,
[3:28:39] and it's very clearly displayed on the
[3:28:41] truck during all hours of operation.
[3:28:46] So within title 21, the zoning code,
[3:28:49] food truck food trucks fit into four
[3:28:51] tiers. So there is the short-term which
[3:28:53] is a single vehicle operating on one
[3:28:55] location 7 days or less they are
[3:28:58] required to have that business tax
[3:29:00] certificate and um acknowledge the
[3:29:02] operational requirements for food trucks
[3:29:04] which we'll get into. Then moving to the
[3:29:06] second tier if a food truck is operating
[3:29:08] between 7 days but no more than a year
[3:29:11] they are required to obtain a temporary
[3:29:12] use permit through the planning
[3:29:14] department. It is approved through staff
[3:29:16] level review um as well as have that tax
[3:29:18] certificate and acknowledge those
[3:29:20] requirements. In the long term is a
[3:29:23] single vehicle operating one location
[3:29:25] one year or more. This requires a site
[3:29:27] plan approval through development review
[3:29:28] committee
[3:29:30] and require a tax certificate and those
[3:29:32] operational requirements.
[3:29:35] And lastly, we do have food truck courts
[3:29:37] which are two or more trucks operating
[3:29:38] on a single site. This does not
[3:29:40] acknowledge any specific time limit, but
[3:29:42] it is subject to a conditional use
[3:29:44] permit approval through planning
[3:29:45] commission in addition to having that
[3:29:47] tax certificate and meet those
[3:29:49] requirements outlined in the guidelines.
[3:29:53] I do want to note that there has not
[3:29:57] been an active site plan or conditional
[3:30:00] use permit since the code update. Um, so
[3:30:02] we have been mostly focusing on the
[3:30:04] short-term and the medium-term food
[3:30:06] truck operations.
[3:30:16] So the operational guidelines required
[3:30:19] for all food trucks operating within
[3:30:20] city limits are as followed. They must
[3:30:22] be located on private property. So they
[3:30:24] are not allowed to be in public
[3:30:25] rightways.
[3:30:27] They are required to get property owner
[3:30:28] written approval. So this is different
[3:30:31] from the business owner um approval that
[3:30:33] may be operating on site. They can be
[3:30:35] different in some cases. So we do
[3:30:37] require property owner written approval.
[3:30:40] They have to be accessory to a permanent
[3:30:42] commercial business. Um so if it is a
[3:30:44] vacant lot or if the business is going
[3:30:46] out of business um that would not be
[3:30:48] allowed. They have to be on paved
[3:30:50] surface parking. Um so they cannot be on
[3:30:54] um gravel. However, if it is an approved
[3:30:57] parking service that is allowed.
[3:31:00] They are required to remove all litter
[3:31:03] uh within a 25 perimeter and on
[3:31:06] property.
[3:31:08] They are not allowed to discharge any
[3:31:10] liquid on site during operation. That is
[3:31:12] part of the commissary use. Um staff did
[3:31:15] determine that no temporary shade
[3:31:17] structures are allowed. Um this is to
[3:31:20] kind of reduce the encroachment onto
[3:31:22] those parking surfaces and parking um
[3:31:25] existing commercial spaces as well as
[3:31:27] comply to the county of St. Fispo's
[3:31:30] requirement of no food preparation
[3:31:32] outside of the mobile food facility.
[3:31:35] Food trucks are also subject to the
[3:31:37] noise provision of the zoning code
[3:31:38] chapter 2182. Um something that has been
[3:31:41] brought to light during this discussion
[3:31:42] in internal review is at first it was
[3:31:45] staff made the determination that
[3:31:46] generators commonly used for food trucks
[3:31:48] do not meet those guidelines. Um
[3:31:50] typically so in the uptown and the
[3:31:52] commercial zone properties the evening
[3:31:55] decibel levels about 55
[3:31:58] um normal average generators
[3:32:01] output about 70 to 100 dB. There are
[3:32:04] inverters that are in that 50 to 70
[3:32:06] range. That is something I wanted to
[3:32:08] bring to the council's attention to
[3:32:09] discuss tonight.
[3:32:12] They are required to establish hours of
[3:32:14] operation. However, there is not a set
[3:32:16] maximum or minimum.
[3:32:19] They cannot impact circulation,
[3:32:23] nor can they block any points of ingress
[3:32:25] or egress.
[3:32:27] And no overnight equipment storage is
[3:32:29] allowed. So again, in conjunction with
[3:32:31] needing a commissary or equivalent
[3:32:32] approved by county of slow, um they
[3:32:35] cannot store equipment on that site
[3:32:36] they're operating on.
[3:32:40] So here we have a map of some of the
[3:32:42] common locations that food trucks have
[3:32:44] been noted around the city. Um there are
[3:32:46] currently 23 active food truck business
[3:32:49] tax certificates. Um in the past 3
[3:32:51] months, April to June, there were about
[3:32:53] 36 code compliance cases regarding
[3:32:55] mobile vendors. The map displays you can
[3:32:58] really see and they tend to be along
[3:33:00] major corridors. So you have Spring,
[3:33:01] Cresten, Niblick, Union. Um these are
[3:33:04] all areas where again they've just been
[3:33:05] kind of spotted out and about and have
[3:33:07] brought to attention to by our
[3:33:08] department.
[3:33:13] So some challenges that code compliance
[3:33:15] has faced um we adopted the food truck
[3:33:18] regulations in around October of 2024.
[3:33:21] Previously, they were under the umbrella
[3:33:23] of temporary food service. And although
[3:33:26] if they operated for over seven days,
[3:33:28] they were still required to abide by the
[3:33:30] temporary use permit requirements in
[3:33:32] terms of not having any adverse effect
[3:33:34] on the zoning or impacting public health
[3:33:36] and safety as well as any other
[3:33:38] conditions staff deemed appropriate for
[3:33:40] that temporary use permit. They did not
[3:33:42] have their own section in the code
[3:33:44] specifically for food trucks that we
[3:33:45] defined earlier.
[3:33:47] So, something that code compliance has
[3:33:49] brought to our attention um is they were
[3:33:51] having typic difficulty enforcing and
[3:33:53] regulating the 7-day time limit and what
[3:33:56] permit they needed. Um so, during
[3:33:58] internal discussion, they did deem that
[3:34:00] needing a temporary use permit or um
[3:34:03] those higher up site plans, condition
[3:34:05] use permit based on the specific request
[3:34:07] uh may be a good use for all food trucks
[3:34:10] in order to have those regulations on
[3:34:12] site. Make sure that the operator
[3:34:14] acknowledges those necessary
[3:34:17] operating requirements um and not have
[3:34:21] to continually keep track of a 7-day
[3:34:24] time frame and track where these
[3:34:25] specific companies and trucks are.
[3:34:31] So through discussion uh staff has taken
[3:34:34] some action
[3:34:36] preemptively to any sort of changes. Um
[3:34:39] we have created a web page dedicated
[3:34:42] specifically to food trucks. So this
[3:34:43] outlines the operational guidelines,
[3:34:45] what is and is not allowed, as well as
[3:34:48] the application and material for
[3:34:49] permits. We are also working on updating
[3:34:53] a dedicated food truck temporary use
[3:34:55] permit application so that operators can
[3:34:58] acknowledge those requirements before
[3:34:59] obtaining any permit um knowing kind of
[3:35:02] what to expect through that review
[3:35:03] process.
[3:35:05] Similarly, we are creating a permit that
[3:35:08] is to be kept on site during operation.
[3:35:10] So while code compliance goes out and
[3:35:12] communicates and facilitates discussion
[3:35:13] with these operators, they have a permit
[3:35:15] on site with them. They can go through
[3:35:17] and ensure that they're meeting all
[3:35:18] requirements.
[3:35:20] Internally, we are also creating shared
[3:35:22] databases and tracking to ensure that we
[3:35:25] are all on the same page of who's
[3:35:26] allowed to be where and what we have
[3:35:28] going on in the city. Um, as well as
[3:35:30] other ongoing process improvements and
[3:35:32] more to be made following this
[3:35:33] discussion tonight.
[3:35:38] So the option city council has tonight
[3:35:40] is to receive and file this report
[3:35:42] direct staff to return to city council
[3:35:43] with an amendment to pastor robel's
[3:35:45] municipal code section food trucks and
[3:35:47] food truck court requiring tup for all
[3:35:50] food trucks operating within pass robels
[3:35:52] to establish an ad hoc committee of the
[3:35:55] city council to facilitate a more
[3:35:56] focused review um gather additional
[3:35:58] input for food trucks or provide
[3:36:00] alternative feedback or direction to
[3:36:02] staff recommendation is option two to
[3:36:07] direct staff to return to city council
[3:36:09] with that amendment. Um to require a
[3:36:11] temporary use permit for all food trucks
[3:36:13] operating within pass robels and any
[3:36:15] other amendment city council may want to
[3:36:17] pursue. Again, this would require staff
[3:36:19] to come back to city council. So, no
[3:36:20] immediate changes would be made to the
[3:36:22] code. Or option three, establish an ad
[3:36:25] hoc committee of the city council to
[3:36:27] facilitate a more focused review and
[3:36:29] gather additional input.
[3:36:32] And any questions?
[3:36:33] >> All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up
[3:36:36] » All right. Thank you, Piper. U start up
[3:36:36] on my left. Anyone start?
[3:36:38] >> Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you
[3:36:40] » Yeah, I've got a few. So, um, thank you
[3:36:40] so much for that presentation. It
[3:36:42] actually looks like some points are
[3:36:44] being clarified from some of the early
[3:36:47] iterations of the website. I have some
[3:36:50] process and content questions. Um,
[3:36:54] in and this might be a question for
[3:36:55] Katie or Warren, I don't know who, but
[3:36:57] in the development of this ordinance,
[3:37:00] did the consultant or staff
[3:37:03] or planning commission consult with any
[3:37:07] operators of a food truck just to kind
[3:37:10] of ground truth how this might work and
[3:37:14] if it might work.
[3:37:16] >> So, the temporary use permit standards
[3:37:17] » So, the temporary use permit standards
[3:37:17] were adopted with the grand overhaul of
[3:37:20] the zoning code. It was a very small
[3:37:21] chapter within a lot of what we were
[3:37:24] doing. Previous to that, previous to
[3:37:26] putting it in the code, we were we staff
[3:37:29] had made an interpretation that these
[3:37:31] were um uh um temporary food service and
[3:37:34] we were issuing temp uh temporary use
[3:37:36] permits and routinely using these
[3:37:39] requirement, you know, putting these
[3:37:40] requirements on food trucks. So, we put
[3:37:42] them into the zoning code so that
[3:37:44] council could say, "Yes, this is the
[3:37:45] appropriate these are the appropriate
[3:37:47] conditions for a food truck." And so,
[3:37:49] now they are in the code. They have been
[3:37:51] the practice the policy of the city for
[3:37:53] some time but um but they're now in the
[3:37:55] code right so this was adopted in
[3:37:58] October
[3:38:00] um did was any effort made to reach out
[3:38:03] to
[3:38:04] uh operators business owners around that
[3:38:07] time beginning of the year was there any
[3:38:09] effort to reach out to HBA to get
[3:38:12] information out or try to educate the
[3:38:14] people that are affected by this
[3:38:16] >> so even though the code is new the
[3:38:18] » so even though the code is new the
[3:38:18] standards have been the same so when
[3:38:19] someone comes in for a business license,
[3:38:21] we ask them if they intend to operate
[3:38:23] some somewhere for a period of time and
[3:38:25] we were routinely told no, they were not
[3:38:27] going to operate in one location. So, we
[3:38:29] were not issuing very many temporary use
[3:38:31] permits, but but folks when they came in
[3:38:33] for a business license were asked that
[3:38:35] information.
[3:38:37] >> Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the
[3:38:40] » Okay. So, tell me a little bit about the
[3:38:40] complaints that you'd gotten. So, April,
[3:38:43] May, it sounds like can you characterize
[3:38:47] in general what they looked like?
[3:38:49] Yeah. So PD um held most of the
[3:38:52] complaints that were received and a lot
[3:38:54] of those only via statistical data was
[3:38:56] passed all along as well as kind of um
[3:38:58] through the grapevine just general
[3:39:00] curiosity and understanding. Um so it
[3:39:03] was more we got involved in the
[3:39:05] conversation of the police department
[3:39:07] wanting to better communicate to um
[3:39:10] mobile vendors and food truck operators
[3:39:12] of those guidelines. So, a lot of um
[3:39:15] curiosity about what are these new
[3:39:18] guidelines, how do I comply, what
[3:39:20] department do I have to go to? In terms
[3:39:22] of specific complaints, um there are
[3:39:24] none that I necessarily had received.
[3:39:27] So, we had uh new new code in October,
[3:39:30] complaints, springish,
[3:39:33] enforcement
[3:39:35] happening actively in Julyish.
[3:39:39] And when did the website get get uh
[3:39:42] started?
[3:39:45] >> Um I we put it together a couple weeks
[3:39:47] » Um I we put it together a couple weeks
[3:39:47] ago and then we uh it went live maybe
[3:39:50] two weeks ago um in an effort to
[3:39:53] communicate.
[3:39:54] >> Right. So the website went live after
[3:39:56] » Right. So the website went live after
[3:39:56] the enforcement began
[3:39:57] >> after we started receiving complaints
[3:39:59] » after we started receiving complaints
[3:39:59] and it became an issue of concern.
[3:40:03] Was the website available when you
[3:40:04] started calling people to tell them that
[3:40:06] they had new new rules that they had to
[3:40:08] follow? No, we did have handouts that we
[3:40:09] gave people at the counter when they
[3:40:11] came in. We had them translated um both
[3:40:13] in English and Spanish. So when they
[3:40:14] came in for a business license, we would
[3:40:16] give that information, but we did not
[3:40:18] have a website. No.
[3:40:19] >> Okay. So I mean I have other sort of
[3:40:21] » Okay. So I mean I have other sort of
[3:40:21] details, but overall
[3:40:24] I just think that um
[3:40:28] I'll save my comments for later. So
[3:40:29] thank you,
[3:40:31] >> Councilman Strong.
[3:40:32] » Councilman Strong.
[3:40:32] >> Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that
[3:40:35] » Yes. Thank you. And I have to admit that
[3:40:35] I'm only acquainted with one site very
[3:40:36] well. That's site number 12 on your map.
[3:40:39] Okay. And site number 12, we have two
[3:40:41] interesting situations. And I'm
[3:40:43] wondering about some of your
[3:40:44] regulations. So, one of one of these
[3:40:46] vehicles uh doesn't prepare any food at
[3:40:48] all. They are just selling snacks out
[3:40:51] out of a a permanent location. I mean,
[3:40:54] it's there 24 hours a day, 7 days a
[3:40:56] week, but it's not motorized and it's
[3:41:00] not hooked up to any vehicle. It's just
[3:41:02] sitting there. And it's only open in the
[3:41:04] afternoons, evenings. as like snacks for
[3:41:07] after after work things like that or
[3:41:10] people over in the mobile home park etc.
[3:41:12] The other one is only there a few days a
[3:41:14] week and only during basic basically
[3:41:17] lunch hour an extended lunch hour for a
[3:41:20] number of of businesses there that have
[3:41:23] manufacturing. They have large employee
[3:41:26] number of employees but no cafeterias no
[3:41:29] lunchroom no place for them to get food
[3:41:31] except something like this. So, uh, it
[3:41:35] is motorized, but the parking lot is
[3:41:40] either a travel way or parking spaces
[3:41:43] that's paved. They're on a a graveled or
[3:41:46] level area that isn't paved, but it's
[3:41:50] the only one that doesn't impact the
[3:41:52] parking or or travel ways. So, I'm
[3:41:54] wondering why would that be a problem?
[3:41:58] >> So, for the first scenario, um, the
[3:42:00] » So, for the first scenario, um, the
[3:42:00] county of St. Bispo would categorize
[3:42:03] permanent as a um unenclosed mobile food
[3:42:07] facility and those tend to be more um
[3:42:09] packaged foods like you were saying
[3:42:10] pre-prepared. Um they do have a little
[3:42:12] bit more guidelines. So as previously
[3:42:14] mentioned um these requirements are
[3:42:16] strictly for on private property
[3:42:18] motorized um enclosed mobile food
[3:42:20] facilities by using county of St. Louis
[3:42:22] Bispo's definition. Um therefore, if it
[3:42:25] were to fit into C the category of um uh
[3:42:30] sidewalk fending, then we may put it
[3:42:32] into another boxy. For your second um
[3:42:36] example, that is where the discussion
[3:42:37] with code compliance comes in of as long
[3:42:40] as they are able to acknowledge um the
[3:42:42] requirements and say we have a temporary
[3:42:45] use permit for all operators for
[3:42:47] understanding those guidelines. Um that
[3:42:49] tracking of who's where would be a
[3:42:51] little bit more efficient. um in terms
[3:42:53] of making recommendations on the
[3:42:55] operational guidelines and that is to
[3:42:57] the city council today to see if maybe
[3:43:00] um parking surface or material is
[3:43:01] something for consideration.
[3:43:03] >> Okay. And I'm wondering about this the
[3:43:05] » Okay. And I'm wondering about this the
[3:43:05] shade structure.
[3:43:07] It gets very hot in the middle of the
[3:43:08] summer here. Shade structure is
[3:43:11] something that protects people's health.
[3:43:14] >> Why would that not be allowed if it was
[3:43:16] » Why would that not be allowed if it was
[3:43:16] properly secured?
[3:43:19] >> Can you speak on that? Um so it was
[3:43:23] » Can you speak on that? Um so it was
[3:43:23] mostly in terms of similar to your
[3:43:25] previous point um encroaching on that
[3:43:27] parking spaces and some concern that
[3:43:29] we've been brought up about um competing
[3:43:33] with brick and mortar businesses not
[3:43:34] creating a restaurant-like environment
[3:43:36] in open spaces.
[3:43:37] >> What if it didn't encroach on any
[3:43:39] » What if it didn't encroach on any
[3:43:39] parking though
[3:43:41] >> for that one?
[3:43:42] » for that one?
[3:43:42] >> What if it didn't encroach on any
[3:43:44] » What if it didn't encroach on any
[3:43:44] parking?
[3:43:44] >> That would be yeah up to consideration
[3:43:47] » That would be yeah up to consideration
[3:43:47] again for city council recommendation.
[3:43:48] And so then if it would possibly be
[3:43:50] allowed.
[3:43:51] >> Yes.
[3:43:51] » Yes.
[3:43:51] >> Okay. Thank you very much.
[3:43:54] » Okay. Thank you very much.
[3:43:54] >> Okay. I'll start with Councilman Bosch.
[3:43:59] » So thank you for for the research and
[3:44:01] presenting. I have a question regarding
[3:44:04] um one of your suggestions for
[3:44:06] consideration and that's the ad hoc
[3:44:08] committee forming a two member ad hoc
[3:44:11] committee. Okay. Okay, so I get that for
[3:44:13] Brown Act violations, but why only or it
[3:44:16] says here solely of two city council
[3:44:18] members
[3:44:20] uh can site numerous examples of having
[3:44:23] members of the public be part of the ad
[3:44:24] hoc committee in the past? Um your
[3:44:28] what's the nexus of of just limiting it
[3:44:31] to city council?
[3:44:34] >> Council, you can can establish the ad
[3:44:36] » Council, you can can establish the ad
[3:44:36] hoc with whatever membership you would
[3:44:38] like to to have that. You know, this was
[3:44:40] one suggestion of how we might tackle
[3:44:41] the the issue.
[3:44:43] >> I if we go down that path, I just see
[3:44:45] » I if we go down that path, I just see
[3:44:45] lots of of of people on both sides of
[3:44:47] the question out here in the audience
[3:44:49] tonight that I would really like to
[3:44:52] value their input on an ad hoc
[3:44:54] committee.
[3:44:55] >> A benefit of an ad hoc committee would
[3:44:57] » A benefit of an ad hoc committee would
[3:44:57] allow for public input and participation
[3:44:59] in any meetings.
[3:45:00] >> Thank you.
[3:45:01] » Thank you.
[3:45:01] >> Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel
[3:45:04] » Additionally, if you uh put non-counsel
[3:45:04] members on a uh subcommittee, then it
[3:45:06] becomes a brown act committee and all
[3:45:07] meetings would have to be noticed.
[3:45:09] that that didn't seem to be a problem
[3:45:11] with the parking committee. So, yeah, I
[3:45:13] I'd acknowledge that. And
[3:45:14] >> and and I guess if I could, I would just
[3:45:16] » and and I guess if I could, I would just
[3:45:16] add to the thought process behind that
[3:45:18] was to just to create some clarity that
[3:45:20] the committee would be made up of the
[3:45:21] two council members, but that the public
[3:45:25] would be able to participate. It it was
[3:45:27] it was staff's intent though that the
[3:45:29] membership of the committee is just the
[3:45:30] two members. Just for clarity sake,
[3:45:32] who's on the committee? Who's off the
[3:45:34] committee? I'll tell you going through
[3:45:35] the the the parking ad hoc there I think
[3:45:38] was some confusion on who is technically
[3:45:41] a part of that committee and this was a
[3:45:43] way to just clarify that the two council
[3:45:45] members of the committee and that the
[3:45:46] public will be able to have full
[3:45:48] participation.
[3:45:49] >> Not not to put too fine a point on it
[3:45:50] » Not not to put too fine a point on it
[3:45:50] but I I'm just very sensitive to the to
[3:45:53] the appearance of of transparency in
[3:45:56] everything that that this council does.
[3:46:00] >> Agreed. And I think that's why we went
[3:46:01] » Agreed. And I think that's why we went
[3:46:01] down to the level of detailing what we
[3:46:03] thought would be the best recommendation
[3:46:05] for this this committee should it be
[3:46:06] formed.
[3:46:09] >> Prote.
[3:46:10] » Prote.
[3:46:10] >> Yes. Um thank you for your your work in
[3:46:12] » Yes. Um thank you for your your work in
[3:46:12] your report. Um, so I don't want to
[3:46:16] point out a food truck in particular,
[3:46:18] but there's something missing for one of
[3:46:21] our very I would call state-of-the-art
[3:46:23] food trucks, and that is somebody who
[3:46:26] goes and pulls up to the baseball fields
[3:46:28] and provides food for the kids and
[3:46:30] parents that play. And it's on a
[3:46:33] concrete. It's on an asphalt surface,
[3:46:35] but it's next to a field. There's no
[3:46:37] businesses around there. And it provides
[3:46:41] an incredible service. and benefit for
[3:46:44] the public. And so I think that's one of
[3:46:46] the things that we could address maybe
[3:46:48] as an ad hoc or something because and I
[3:46:50] don't know how you deal with that but
[3:46:51] maybe recreational events or something
[3:46:53] like that. So um I just wanted to make a
[3:46:56] question was that considered in your
[3:46:58] thoughts?
[3:46:59] >> Yes. So community events um are
[3:47:02] » Yes. So community events um are
[3:47:02] permitted through the parks and
[3:47:03] recreation department and so food trucks
[3:47:05] in conjunction to those events tend to
[3:47:07] be permitted through that department.
[3:47:09] Okay. We are currently working through a
[3:47:10] little bit of a gray area of what if
[3:47:12] it's not a community event but on city
[3:47:14] property and determining the best path
[3:47:16] to move forward with those very specific
[3:47:17] cases.
[3:47:18] >> Very good. That answers my question.
[3:47:20] » Very good. That answers my question.
[3:47:20] Thank you.
[3:47:21] >> Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a
[3:47:23] » Okay, Piper. Um I'm going to ask a
[3:47:23] little bit about location and uh the way
[3:47:26] I believe this works is that the food
[3:47:28] truck has to have permission of the
[3:47:30] property owner that they're sitting on.
[3:47:32] Um and we call that as a city one
[3:47:36] location. In other words, um up to 7
[3:47:39] days they can be in that location, but
[3:47:41] if they move the truck slightly off of
[3:47:43] that location physically to the maybe
[3:47:46] the other end of the property, does that
[3:47:48] constitute a change in location or is it
[3:47:51] still as far as the city's concerning
[3:47:53] one location?
[3:47:55] >> In our eyes, it has just constituted as
[3:47:57] » In our eyes, it has just constituted as
[3:47:57] one location being within the premise.
[3:47:59] um say a food truck exceeds that 7-day
[3:48:01] limit and they do come in for a
[3:48:03] temporary use permit. They are required
[3:48:04] to provide a site plan showing the
[3:48:06] location of that um food truck mostly to
[3:48:09] comply with the no blocking egress or
[3:48:11] the circulation. Um however, that would
[3:48:13] be something to take into consideration,
[3:48:15] >> right? And then the other thing too is
[3:48:17] » right? And then the other thing too is
[3:48:17] you know if they park their
[3:48:20] vehicle right on the property line and
[3:48:21] then you have the sidewalk right there.
[3:48:24] Um that is there what kind of scenario
[3:48:27] does the city have to regulate something
[3:48:28] like that where the patrons of that
[3:48:31] service truck is going to obviously be
[3:48:34] uh people impacting walking on the
[3:48:36] sidewalk to get around the people that
[3:48:38] are waiting for you know food. How does
[3:48:40] that work in regard to
[3:48:43] >> that's definitely the the reason that we
[3:48:44] » that's definitely the the reason that we
[3:48:44] process these temporary use permits and
[3:48:46] get a site plan is so that we can make
[3:48:47] sure that as Piper said they're not
[3:48:49] blocking an emergency access and that
[3:48:51] they're not you know too close to the
[3:48:53] sidewalk, they're not too close to a gas
[3:48:55] dispensing
[3:48:58] you know the gas valve um those kinds of
[3:49:00] things. So that's what we're
[3:49:01] troubleshooting for by asking for a site
[3:49:03] plan. So, what it sounds to me is the
[3:49:06] staff is definitely looking to have some
[3:49:07] sort of a temporary uh tool, temporary
[3:49:10] use permit tool to regulate and to be
[3:49:13] able to handle this. And I imagine the
[3:49:14] 36 complaints that we've had are related
[3:49:17] to location and and being close to other
[3:49:21] things that they're impacting that. Is
[3:49:23] that the reason for bringing this up? I
[3:49:25] guess that staff would like to have more
[3:49:27] clarity.
[3:49:28] >> We we can assume so. I think the biggest
[3:49:30] » We we can assume so. I think the biggest
[3:49:30] point to consider is the um transparency
[3:49:32] and the communication between both the
[3:49:34] community development department, the
[3:49:36] police department and food truck
[3:49:37] operators and ensuring that um those
[3:49:40] operational requirements are being
[3:49:42] followed through on um and communicating
[3:49:44] effectively in terms of what permit do I
[3:49:46] need, how do I obtain this, what viable
[3:49:48] sites there are for to meeting those
[3:49:50] requirements and so forth.
[3:49:52] So it comes down to the question I guess
[3:49:54] uh you know we could go with an ad hoc
[3:49:58] uh or we can actually work it within
[3:50:00] council to give you direction on what to
[3:50:01] do to come back for future meeting.
[3:50:03] Those are basically the two things
[3:50:05] tonight.
[3:50:05] >> Yes. And one way to consider it is say
[3:50:08] » Yes. And one way to consider it is say
[3:50:08] you are prepared to make a determination
[3:50:09] on how you would like staff to be move
[3:50:11] forward and come back to council. Um
[3:50:13] that could be first recommendation of um
[3:50:17] approving the directing staff to make
[3:50:20] different motions and come back. Um and
[3:50:21] that ad hoc committee could be you want
[3:50:23] to stew on it. You want to discuss a
[3:50:25] little bit more. You want to get a
[3:50:26] little bit more public and staff input
[3:50:27] before then um giving staff direction.
[3:50:30] >> Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.
[3:50:33] » Okay. Um okay. Well, final comments.
[3:50:34] We'll talk about that later. Um Chris B.
[3:50:38] Uh I have a question on um with the the
[3:50:42] permission of the property owner if if a
[3:50:44] property and this might be a better
[3:50:46] question for for council uh legal
[3:50:49] counsel. Um if a if a business has a
[3:50:53] triple net lease, we'll say and they
[3:50:56] control all facets of the property. Why
[3:50:58] do we require the property owners
[3:51:01] permission?
[3:51:02] We would definitely accept some sort of
[3:51:04] authorization if they showed us a lease
[3:51:06] that showed this that they had the right
[3:51:07] to to make those kinds of signatures. We
[3:51:09] would absolutely accept. Okay. Yeah.
[3:51:11] >> Thank you.
[3:51:13] » Thank you.
[3:51:13] >> Okay. Good.
[3:51:14] » Okay. Good.
[3:51:14] >> Anyone else?
[3:51:15] » Anyone else?
[3:51:15] >> Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll
[3:51:18] » Okay. We'll open up the public. Um we'll
[3:51:18] go ahead come up and we'll talk about
[3:51:20] this item. First up, Linda.
[3:51:22] >> Hi.
[3:51:23] » Hi.
[3:51:23] I'll be fast. Linda George, 3126 Spring
[3:51:26] Street. Um,
[3:51:30] food carts are not in this ordinance.
[3:51:34] I came tonight. I'm actually excited
[3:51:35] about this. I really believe in the food
[3:51:38] vendors and the food carts because, you
[3:51:40] know, I I don't want to tell anybody how
[3:51:42] to make their money and um, I know some
[3:51:44] of the food carts have been connected to
[3:51:47] the cartel in the larger cities. The
[3:51:49] benefit is is we don't have to redo
[3:51:51] this. If we get LA's ordinances,
[3:51:54] um, Oakland's ordinances, San
[3:51:56] Francisco's ordinance on their food
[3:51:58] vendors and their cards, then we can do
[3:52:00] a really good foundation so that this
[3:52:03] doesn't become like the short-term
[3:52:05] rentals where regulation becomes a
[3:52:07] problem later. So, I came simply tonight
[3:52:10] to say I recommend the ad hoc committee
[3:52:12] for no more than 6 months. I think 6
[3:52:15] months is enough for everybody in this
[3:52:18] room. and then to add food carts into
[3:52:20] this and and then everybody will feel
[3:52:23] that they've been heard. That's all.
[3:52:25] >> Thank you.
[3:52:28] » Thank you.
[3:52:28] >> Welcome.
[3:52:32] » Good evening, Mayor Hammond, members of
[3:52:34] the council. My name is Bill Sailor. I
[3:52:36] reside at 1824 Ponderosa Lane. My wife
[3:52:40] and I own and operate Yaba Dogs and
[3:52:43] Catering.
[3:52:44] Um, I wrote all these thoughts, but I I
[3:52:48] need to address some things here.
[3:52:51] I'm looking at
[3:52:53] what was in your packet, the staff
[3:52:56] report.
[3:52:58] It says temporary shade structures.
[3:53:01] Temporary shade structure shall be
[3:53:03] removed whenever the food truck is not
[3:53:05] in operation.
[3:53:08] That's not what that says up there. It
[3:53:11] says no. Period. So, what you have in
[3:53:15] your ordinances that were approved in
[3:53:17] October of 2024 or yeah, 24 is different
[3:53:22] than what we're all seeing up here right
[3:53:24] now,
[3:53:25] which is kind of confusing if you're the
[3:53:27] food truck owner operator. Secondly, we
[3:53:32] started our business in 1986.
[3:53:35] We've had a city of Paso's business
[3:53:37] license every year since. I have never
[3:53:42] had anybody approach me and say, "Where
[3:53:46] are you going to be located?
[3:53:48] How many days of a week are you going to
[3:53:50] be there?" The current ordinances that
[3:53:54] are in place are not even being
[3:53:57] enforced,
[3:54:00] which I have to question.
[3:54:02] I'm sorry, but I do. Um,
[3:54:09] in the report it also says that staff
[3:54:11] has taken steps to outreach to the
[3:54:14] community of food vendors.
[3:54:18] Well, the first thing I heard about food
[3:54:20] truck issues and that there was going to
[3:54:22] be a meeting. I received a postcard in
[3:54:25] the mail on Janu July 28th. That was
[3:54:30] last Monday. That was the first time I'd
[3:54:32] ever heard that this was even an issue.
[3:54:35] First time I heard that there was
[3:54:36] actually ordinances.
[3:54:39] I received a phone call on Thursday,
[3:54:42] July 28th from a member of the Pasro
[3:54:44] Police Department
[3:54:46] telling me that I was not in compliance
[3:54:49] and that I was going to have to apply
[3:54:51] for a TUP,
[3:54:54] temporary use permit.
[3:54:57] She asked me for my email address. I
[3:55:00] gave it to her. Today is August 5th. I
[3:55:03] haven't received anything yet.
[3:55:09] Um,
[3:55:11] in the third paragraph of the analysis
[3:55:14] and conclusion
[3:55:16] um
[3:55:18] portion of the
[3:55:22] Now I got to find it. Excuse me for just
[3:55:24] a second.
[3:55:30] in the third paragraph of the analysis
[3:55:32] and conusion uh conclusions.
[3:55:36] >> Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you
[3:55:37] » Go ahead and summarize, Bill, if you
[3:55:37] would.
[3:55:38] >> Yeah, I just want to I want to point
[3:55:40] » Yeah, I just want to I want to point
[3:55:40] this out. Conversely, local restaurants
[3:55:42] have expressed concerns about food
[3:55:44] trucks undercutting their businesses
[3:55:46] with lower overhead cost.
[3:55:49] There's two business models here, brick
[3:55:51] and mortar and food trucks.
[3:55:55] You chose as a restaurant to open up
[3:55:58] brick and mortar. That was your choice.
[3:56:01] It was my choice to open up a food
[3:56:02] truck. I didn't open it up to undercut
[3:56:05] your business. I opened it up because I
[3:56:07] wanted to have my own business.
[3:56:10] That um I'll just let it go from there.
[3:56:14] I just I think that the city council
[3:56:16] needs to approve the uh going with the
[3:56:19] ad hoc.
[3:56:21] >> Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually
[3:56:23] » Yeah. part of it inclusion and actually
[3:56:23] have input from the business people.
[3:56:26] >> Very good. Thank you.
[3:56:28] » Very good. Thank you.
[3:56:28] >> Welcome.
[3:56:29] » Welcome.
[3:56:29] >> Hello everybody. My name is Jerry
[3:56:31] » Hello everybody. My name is Jerry
[3:56:31] Torres. I'm business owner on 1463
[3:56:34] Kristen Road
[3:56:37] this way. Uh my concerns as well is as
[3:56:39] everybody here is legally have done all
[3:56:41] the food parts properly. We've noticed
[3:56:43] that there's a lot that come from LA and
[3:56:45] different parts and taken up a lot of
[3:56:48] the business that we have. We just
[3:56:49] recently opened on Spring Street and
[3:56:51] down the road on 34th in Crestston as
[3:56:53] well as the park on 36. They keep
[3:56:56] posting up these mobile food, not
[3:56:58] trucks, but carts and they're doing
[3:57:01] everything. So, as the pictures that
[3:57:03] were showing up there, which one are the
[3:57:04] ones that are correct and the ones that
[3:57:06] are not? Those are the ones that are
[3:57:07] coming in and embarking a lot especially
[3:57:10] in the summer and taking up a lot of the
[3:57:12] business as well as where for them that
[3:57:14] are doing it right following the right
[3:57:16] protocols and going through the right
[3:57:18] processes makes it so difficult and hard
[3:57:21] for us and as well as brick and mortar
[3:57:23] like the gentleman was saying there's
[3:57:24] two options to do it but doing it the
[3:57:26] right way whereas unfortunately they're
[3:57:28] coming in and taking everything and you
[3:57:31] know making it difficult for all of us
[3:57:33] in regards to us going through the
[3:57:35] health department working with the
[3:57:37] police department. Unfortunately,
[3:57:38] they're only here until 4:00 and after
[3:57:41] that there's they gotten smart enough to
[3:57:42] show up in all these places and taking
[3:57:44] it up at Barney's at the park in 36 as
[3:57:47] well as 34th and so on. They did a great
[3:57:50] job with NibLick and everything on here
[3:57:52] with those um fruit stands, but they've
[3:57:55] realized that they're moving and what
[3:57:56] we've talked to the health department.
[3:57:58] They've started from Saliso going all
[3:58:00] the way up and looks like we're doing a
[3:58:02] great job, but it's getting to the edge.
[3:58:04] They're moving into San Miguel. Um, but
[3:58:06] that's what I wanted to say here. Thank
[3:58:08] you for your time.
[3:58:09] >> Thank you.
[3:58:12] » Welcome.
[3:58:16] » Uh, Edardoard Santiago, private citizen.
[3:58:20] Um, first of all, I would like to thank
[3:58:21] uh the council uh for giving us the
[3:58:23] opportunity uh to speak. Um, I would
[3:58:26] just like to uh urge uh staff to uh be
[3:58:29] transparent about what these fees for
[3:58:31] the permits will be used and also um
[3:58:34] inquire whether there would be an
[3:58:35] analysis of some sort of what um the
[3:58:38] impact uh food trucks have on brick and
[3:58:40] mortar and how that friction can be
[3:58:42] alleviated. Thank you.
[3:58:44] >> Thank you,
[3:58:48] » Maria. Welcome.
[3:58:50] >> Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the
[3:58:52] » Yes. Hi, Marennena Garcia with the
[3:58:52] Hispanic Business Association.
[3:58:54] Um, one thing I just the first time we
[3:58:58] heard about this situation was um on
[3:59:02] Facebook and a lot of the food trucks
[3:59:04] calling us. Um, I don't feel that um the
[3:59:09] HBA was giving any heads up. I wish that
[3:59:12] we could have been included in the
[3:59:14] community outreach. Um we get a lot of
[3:59:17] um our members are calling us and asking
[3:59:20] us what's going on and um we didn't we
[3:59:24] just said come to the meeting tonight.
[3:59:26] We posted it on our website. We post it
[3:59:27] on our Facebook page and so we I would
[3:59:31] like to see an ad hoc committee so we
[3:59:32] can get some more of the input from from
[3:59:35] our members and from the food truck that
[3:59:37] are here tonight. Thank you for
[3:59:39] listening.
[3:59:40] >> Thank you.
[3:59:47] Welcome.
[3:59:48] >> Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just
[3:59:50] » Hi, my name is Javier Perez. I'm just
[3:59:50] speaking in behalf of the food truck
[3:59:51] vendors. Again, some of us, you know, we
[3:59:54] try to again go by the rules, get our
[3:59:57] business licenses, be on the partner's
[3:59:59] property, and somehow like the other
[4:00:02] person were saying, we were removed from
[4:00:05] where we were because of certain
[4:00:07] circumstances. Like here I was on a
[4:00:09] singular location and somehow there's a
[4:00:11] gas station. There was something with a
[4:00:14] generator. So I talked to the owner
[4:00:15] about getting a plugin so there be no
[4:00:18] noise and still somehow the regulations
[4:00:21] are very hard for some of us. So being
[4:00:23] removed and there's a lot of vendors
[4:00:25] they're not following you know the
[4:00:27] guidelines like we are but somehow we
[4:00:29] were removed. We want to know if there's
[4:00:31] a way uh you guys can see more in
[4:00:34] consideration of all the food truck
[4:00:35] vendors trying to follow the guidelines
[4:00:37] and we can somehow get places we can be
[4:00:40] sitting at and you know uh be okay so
[4:00:43] the city council will follow up on this
[4:00:45] and give us more of an issue regarding
[4:00:49] to the food truck vendors that we're
[4:00:50] trying to get all the guidelines going
[4:00:52] around. Thank you.
[4:00:53] >> Thank you.
[4:00:56] » Welcome.
[4:00:58] >> Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna
[4:01:00] » Hello. Good evening. My name is Anna
[4:01:00] Rodriguez. I am the owner of a
[4:01:02] restaurant at 1214 Pine Street in Paso.
[4:01:05] Um, we have proudly been serving the
[4:01:08] community for 27 years myself for the
[4:01:11] past four years. So, I'm newer to the
[4:01:13] scene and to the existing competition
[4:01:16] between brick and mortar restaurants,
[4:01:18] um, park events, community events, the
[4:01:21] fair, being a rob, all of the movings
[4:01:25] and goings of the, um, of the community.
[4:01:27] Um but I am very watchful and open to
[4:01:32] all perspectives of um our
[4:01:34] relationships.
[4:01:35] Um I
[4:01:38] have been invested in creating a
[4:01:41] location that um invests into the heart
[4:01:43] of our city. Um it contributes jobs. It
[4:01:46] contributes um to the vibrancy and
[4:01:48] characters that draw locals and tourists
[4:01:50] alike to our downtown corridor. Um I
[4:01:54] really appreciate the initiation of this
[4:01:55] conversation. I think the transparency
[4:01:57] and the movement towards
[4:02:01] making success, whether it's small or
[4:02:04] large or medium, making success
[4:02:07] accessible to every person is incredibly
[4:02:10] important. Whether you have the ability
[4:02:13] to fill out all of these forms digitally
[4:02:16] or you're writing it down, um,
[4:02:18] accessibility is in very important. So,
[4:02:21] the addition of that website is great.
[4:02:24] I've been googling it and looking for
[4:02:25] the information for a long time and now
[4:02:27] it's there. So, thank you for that step.
[4:02:29] Um,
[4:02:31] the brick andmortar restaurants in the
[4:02:33] BIA do take on an additional substantial
[4:02:37] and ongoing 50%
[4:02:40] higher in um, business license fees. We
[4:02:44] are part of um the assessments that fund
[4:02:49] our city and infrastructure and vents.
[4:02:52] Even at a state level, we are incurring
[4:02:54] costs for tourism to California which
[4:02:57] are benefiting everyone. So I feel like
[4:03:00] it is important to have a clear um
[4:03:03] regulation and conversation about where
[4:03:07] food trucks can be um invited to sell. I
[4:03:10] go to them. I love them. They're part of
[4:03:13] me. But I also have to protect um my
[4:03:17] competitive spirit in this situation.
[4:03:19] Um, I highly encourage the council to
[4:03:22] create an ad hoc committee to include
[4:03:25] members of um, I mean, even as a
[4:03:28] football mom, you know, I wouldn't
[4:03:30] really want a burger truck outside of
[4:03:32] the um, hound hut. I'm grand, sorry. Um,
[4:03:37] out of the hound hut because we're going
[4:03:38] to be competing on um, our audience of
[4:03:41] who's going to be buying and supporting
[4:03:42] our hounds as well. Um, so this isn't a
[4:03:46] call to eliminate food trucks. I just
[4:03:48] want to um make sure that we have a
[4:03:49] thoughtful balance between us. Um you
[4:03:53] know, brick and mortar are really
[4:03:55] important downtown especially. I'm not
[4:03:57] saying this is a nimi thing, not in my
[4:03:58] backyard. I don't want them. But if we
[4:04:00] have an absence of those locations and
[4:04:02] open storefronts, that's a detriment to
[4:04:04] our economy and to our city as a whole.
[4:04:06] So, thank you for your time and I look
[4:04:08] forward to being involved in.
[4:04:10] >> Thank you,
[4:04:15] » Francisco.
[4:04:17] Thank you, uh, mayor and council
[4:04:19] members. Francisco Ramirez, resident of
[4:04:21] Paso Roles, also with the Hispanic
[4:04:24] Business Association.
[4:04:26] Um, so, um, like like Maria mentioned
[4:04:30] earlier. Um, look at this place right
[4:04:34] now. Look at the time it is right now.
[4:04:37] Um, I want to ask your permission, city
[4:04:39] council, if I can also translate
[4:04:42] something uh to to to them, to our
[4:04:45] people that's here, to our guests that
[4:04:47] are Spanish speaking with your
[4:04:48] permission. Um, cuz I know we all we all
[4:04:51] get 3 minutes, but in translation time
[4:04:54] goes by. Um, so if if it's allowed, I I
[4:04:58] will do so to everyone that's here so
[4:05:00] they can also understand uh what's going
[4:05:02] on right now. Also, if I may,
[4:05:06] >> if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.
[4:05:08] » if you prefer, go ahead, Francis.
[4:05:08] >> Okay.
[4:05:19] foreign.
[4:05:31] Soch.
[4:05:45] [Music]
[4:06:12] Um,
[4:06:44] Okay. Um, so I I mentioned that
[4:06:47] something that we all want because I
[4:06:49] spoken to them like Maria said, we've
[4:06:51] been getting phone calls um the last two
[4:06:54] weeks about this. Um, and something that
[4:06:57] they mentioned and has been brought up
[4:06:59] is they
[4:07:02] they want clarity.
[4:07:04] They want to know what permits are
[4:07:08] needed, where to go apply for the
[4:07:11] permits, what can be done, and what
[4:07:16] regulations are going to happen so that
[4:07:18] there's less confusion. Cuz like earlier
[4:07:21] they said, um, you guys started this in
[4:07:23] October 2012. Uh and then again in April
[4:07:26] and then enforcement started in July.
[4:07:28] Some of them came to me saying, "Hey, uh
[4:07:31] uh Francisco, I I got a fine that the
[4:07:34] the police department came by and they
[4:07:36] said I couldn't be at the parking lot.
[4:07:38] I've been there. I got permission from
[4:07:40] from from the owner, from the manager,
[4:07:43] and then they came back and said I
[4:07:45] couldn't be there doing business and
[4:07:47] I've been doing it, and I got all my
[4:07:49] other permits. I got my health permit. I
[4:07:51] got my business permit, but they're
[4:07:53] saying it's not." So they're they're
[4:07:55] they're asking they they all are here
[4:07:58] and they want clarity. They want to
[4:08:01] continue to do business and they want
[4:08:04] clarity from you guys saying where do I
[4:08:07] get the permit? How do I go about and
[4:08:09] what need what can we do to continue
[4:08:11] doing business? Um so that's that's what
[4:08:14] everybody's asking. Um some of the
[4:08:17] things the points I want to um bring up
[4:08:20] uh there was a issue I read um or or was
[4:08:24] reported by staff about the restrooms.
[4:08:26] Um restrooms uh because I I I help out
[4:08:30] some restaurants also that has to do
[4:08:32] with food prepping not at the location
[4:08:36] where the food is being. It's just being
[4:08:38] heated up and served. So that that part
[4:08:42] I disagree with. uh having to need
[4:08:44] restrooms at these locations where the
[4:08:47] food prepping is not being done. They
[4:08:49] already have a health permit to provide
[4:08:52] food for their food trucks and that's
[4:08:55] where it's done. It's at commissary
[4:08:57] location. Um so that does not go with
[4:09:00] with this uh generators. Well, uh food
[4:09:03] trucks, they need electricity. They
[4:09:06] can't function without electricity
[4:09:08] besides just the burners and the gas for
[4:09:10] the for the grills. They also need
[4:09:13] electricity to work in conjunction. So,
[4:09:16] um I really disagree with the part about
[4:09:19] generators not being able to have it
[4:09:20] because you need electricity to work a
[4:09:23] mobile unit. Um
[4:09:26] shade structure like like uh council uh
[4:09:29] Strong said um they need shade with this
[4:09:32] hot weather especially in Pasoles. It's
[4:09:35] hot all the time. We need that shade to
[4:09:38] be protected. Um,
[4:09:41] another note, yeah, I would like to be a
[4:09:44] part of the Anthog Cut uh committee uh
[4:09:48] as well as other stakeholders as as
[4:09:50] mentioned before. Um, you know, and find
[4:09:53] out about special events cuz we do uh
[4:09:55] diutos here at the Pasrobo City Park
[4:09:58] that the city gives us permission to do
[4:10:01] so to celebrate culture and bring in
[4:10:03] food and yaba dog has always been part
[4:10:06] of us there. Um, and I would like to be
[4:10:10] have that, you know, specified, you
[4:10:12] know, well, we got permits to bring in,
[4:10:14] uh, you know, food trucks to our events.
[4:10:17] Does that also go with this? Um, one
[4:10:20] more thing, can we also take into
[4:10:23] consideration an outreach from
[4:10:25] customers? Are you just getting
[4:10:27] complaints from uh, you know, certain
[4:10:30] restaurant owners or businesses? Well,
[4:10:32] are we getting any complaints from
[4:10:34] customers? Thank you, Francis Ramirez.
[4:10:36] Thank you.
[4:10:41] Welcome.
[4:10:43] >> Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco
[4:10:45] » Hi, my name is Karina. I'm with Taco
[4:10:45] Maris Elgordo. I do have a question. We
[4:10:48] already have the permit. We're not
[4:10:50] against doing any type of permits that
[4:10:52] is required. But if the property owner
[4:10:55] is giving us a space where we can put
[4:10:57] tables and we can be there and set up
[4:10:59] and do whatever we need to do cuz
[4:11:01] they're charging rent from us. We're not
[4:11:04] just sitting there and not paying. We're
[4:11:06] paying rent. We're paying electricity.
[4:11:08] We're we we have to have the generators.
[4:11:11] Uh we also pay for the commercial
[4:11:13] kitchen that we rent in order to be uh
[4:11:17] having the health department and all the
[4:11:19] requirements. We don't mind doing all
[4:11:21] the permits that are u needed. The only
[4:11:26] thing is that what that has to do with
[4:11:28] us having a table there for our
[4:11:29] customers cuz they request they're like,
[4:11:31] "Oh, do you need a table so we can have
[4:11:33] a drink while we wait for the food? and
[4:11:36] they request for shade and like it's hot
[4:11:39] and uh that's the only thing that it
[4:11:42] comes to me like if we're paying the
[4:11:44] property owner they giving us a letter
[4:11:46] they give us certain space and like
[4:11:48] accommodations for us to be there why
[4:11:51] can't we use the space to in order to
[4:11:55] bring people to us to pay our rent cuz
[4:11:58] it's not cheap $1,500 a month and that's
[4:12:03] just to be there making food. We pay
[4:12:05] another eight to a,000 for the uh
[4:12:09] commercial kitchen. It's not cheap. And
[4:12:12] to right now to run business, it's not
[4:12:15] an easy like sometimes we go in park, we
[4:12:18] only make $100, $150.
[4:12:22] Not every day is uh productive and we
[4:12:25] still have to be paying rent in order to
[4:12:28] be there. That's that's my concern. And
[4:12:31] if we we could do the permits, we don't
[4:12:34] mind, but we need like accommodations
[4:12:37] for us to in order to make the money. We
[4:12:39] still pay sales tax. We still pay the
[4:12:42] city permit, health department permits,
[4:12:45] everything else that it comes to it. And
[4:12:47] it's not cheap. It adds up. Even if us
[4:12:50] having tables, canopies, and everything,
[4:12:53] everything costs money. and we try to
[4:12:56] accommodate people, but we need some
[4:12:58] sort of uh regulations, too. Thank you.
[4:13:02] >> Thank you, Karina.
[4:13:07] Anyone else?
[4:13:09] >> Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back
[4:13:11] » Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back
[4:13:11] to anyone online.
[4:13:12] >> I have several callers online. Uh first
[4:13:14] » I have several callers online. Uh first
[4:13:14] is Jeffrey Weisinger.
[4:13:17] Uh
[4:13:17] >> Jeffrey, can you hear us?
[4:13:20] » Jeffrey, can you hear us?
[4:13:20] >> Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.
[4:13:22] » Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mayor.
[4:13:22] >> Yes. Go ahead. Um,
[4:13:25] » Yes. Go ahead. Um,
[4:13:25] uh, yeah. Uh, thank you. I'm sorry I
[4:13:27] couldn't be there, uh, in person. I was,
[4:13:29] uh, at another event supporting other
[4:13:31] local businesses. And, uh, as you guys
[4:13:33] have, uh, been able to see, this is a
[4:13:36] important issue in our community. Uh, I
[4:13:39] want to start out by advocating for
[4:13:41] option three, the ad hoc committee. I
[4:13:44] think this is probably one of the
[4:13:45] easiest decisions that we need to make.
[4:13:48] uh we're dealing with uh so many
[4:13:50] people's lives, livelihoods in the
[4:13:52] community uh that there is a lot more to
[4:13:55] talk about than than we can even begin
[4:13:57] to address at this at this meeting. So,
[4:13:59] an opportunity to be able to put an ad
[4:14:02] hoc committee to uh get community
[4:14:04] members involved. Uh if I may speak, uh
[4:14:08] as the president of the Pastor Downtown
[4:14:10] Main Street Association board of
[4:14:12] directors, we didn't get a chance to
[4:14:15] have a discussion on this. Um, and I
[4:14:18] think it's really important that the
[4:14:20] main street association as a whole be
[4:14:22] able to have time to uh talk amongst
[4:14:24] ourselves, talk amongst our uh our
[4:14:27] business uh members and the community on
[4:14:30] uh how we can advocate for the main
[4:14:32] street association and find out from our
[4:14:34] members what their opinions and views
[4:14:36] are on the food truck ordinance. Uh now
[4:14:38] speaking and as a restaurant owner in in
[4:14:41] downtown Paso, uh I am a food service
[4:14:44] professional for over 35 years and had a
[4:14:47] brick and have had a brick and mortar in
[4:14:49] Paso, downtown Paso for eight years and
[4:14:52] had a food service uh catering business
[4:14:55] for 10 years leading up to that. So, uh,
[4:14:58] I'd like to think I'm pretty well
[4:15:00] verssed in the rules and regulations
[4:15:03] that our county provides for food
[4:15:06] service organiz uh, operations, but, uh,
[4:15:08] the fact that, uh, as some of the other
[4:15:10] folks have have spoken on, the current
[4:15:13] ordinance is really not being enforced,
[4:15:16] um, until apparently recently. But
[4:15:18] recently it's been uh I guess that's
[4:15:20] maybe why this came out. But uh this is
[4:15:23] a really important topic to a lot of
[4:15:25] people in in our community and I would
[4:15:28] strongly advocate for an opportunity to
[4:15:30] get an ad hoc committee together and
[4:15:32] reach out to the community while leaving
[4:15:35] the existing rules and regulations in
[4:15:38] place. Also I might advocate for uh
[4:15:41] continued enforcement. Uh the food
[4:15:44] safety is extremely important to me as a
[4:15:47] food service professional, as a
[4:15:49] restaurant tour. And uh unfortunately,
[4:15:51] we've we've heard some from from some
[4:15:53] folks that uh they're not quite savvy on
[4:15:56] what the rules and regulations are. And
[4:15:58] I think it's extremely important in the
[4:16:00] food service business to make sure that
[4:16:02] you are aware of every rule and
[4:16:04] regulation. And uh Pastor Robus as a
[4:16:08] city council can help us out a great
[4:16:10] deal by
[4:16:12] setting a solid ordinance getting
[4:16:14] community feedback and and moving
[4:16:16] forward with uh the opportunity to uh
[4:16:20] take this conversation to a deeper level
[4:16:22] and and try to solve the problem to the
[4:16:25] best of our abilities with more
[4:16:27] community input.
[4:16:28] >> All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.
[4:16:31] » All right. Thank you, Jeffrey.
[4:16:31] >> Thank you.
[4:16:31] » Thank you.
[4:16:31] >> Anyone else online?
[4:16:34] » Anyone else online?
[4:16:34] >> Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.
[4:16:36] » Yeah. Next is Jan Alvin.
[4:16:36] >> Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you
[4:16:39] » Okay, hang on one second. Jan, can you
[4:16:39] hear us? Go ahead.
[4:16:39] >> Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.
[4:16:43] » Hi, I can again. Thank you very much.
[4:16:43] Um, I have a couple of questions and a
[4:16:45] couple of concerns. Um, I don't have a
[4:16:48] problem with food trucks, us having food
[4:16:51] trucks, but I I want you to think back
[4:16:54] to the short-term rental situation where
[4:16:58] it was years before the city finally put
[4:17:02] some rules and regulations into place to
[4:17:05] limit them because the number of them
[4:17:08] and where they were located and how they
[4:17:10] were being run was simply out of
[4:17:13] control. And if you don't get something
[4:17:18] done pretty quickly about regulating
[4:17:21] food trucks, that that's exactly what's
[4:17:23] going to happen. We're going to have,
[4:17:25] you know, 300 food trucks in every
[4:17:29] vacant parking lot uh owned by someone.
[4:17:32] Um they're going to be everywhere. And
[4:17:35] the the part about that, not just the
[4:17:38] number of them, is who's going to
[4:17:40] monitor them? I've asked the question
[4:17:43] before when we know that there are
[4:17:46] illegal short-term rentals being run.
[4:17:49] The answer is always we don't have the
[4:17:52] staff to monitor that. Well, who's going
[4:17:55] to monitor the food trucks? Who's going
[4:17:58] to make sure that everybody's health
[4:18:00] certificate is up to date? We have one
[4:18:04] health inspector, as I understand it, in
[4:18:07] the county who and it's just not enough.
[4:18:10] So, I I absolutely advocate for an ad
[4:18:14] hoc committee, but that's one of the
[4:18:16] things that that ad hoc needs to be
[4:18:19] paying attention to is once you get the
[4:18:22] rules and regulations into place, how
[4:18:25] are you going to monitor it? Who's going
[4:18:27] to monitor it? When everything that
[4:18:30] happens in this town is complaintdriven,
[4:18:33] we are not proactive. We act on
[4:18:36] complaints.
[4:18:38] then you're putting the burden on people
[4:18:40] to complain and try to get something
[4:18:43] done. So, thank you very much.
[4:18:46] >> Thank you. Anyone else on the online?
[4:18:51] » Thank you. Anyone else on the online?
[4:18:51] [Music]
[4:18:54] >> I do have another caller, Terry Smith.
[4:18:58] » I do have another caller, Terry Smith.
[4:18:58] >> Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.
[4:19:02] » Okay, Terry, can you hear us? Go ahead.
[4:19:02] >> Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,
[4:19:05] » Yes, thank you for taking the call. Um,
[4:19:05] I agreed with the last caller, last two
[4:19:08] callers. Um, everybody loves their food
[4:19:11] trucks, but everybody needs to go on to
[4:19:15] the California Department of Public
[4:19:17] Health. All the regulations are there
[4:19:20] and
[4:19:22] it's changed over the last few years
[4:19:25] under Gavin Newsome. Um, pretty soon
[4:19:28] you're going to see not only food
[4:19:30] trucks, you're going to see push carts,
[4:19:31] you're going to see
[4:19:33] all different kinds of things coming in.
[4:19:37] And the regulations need to be strict.
[4:19:41] There is a reason for a a bathroom. It's
[4:19:44] not just for bathroom facilities. It's
[4:19:46] for handwashing facilities. You can't
[4:19:49] have a three compartment sink or a two
[4:19:51] compartment sink in a trailer, but not
[4:19:53] have a handwashing facility in there.
[4:19:57] It's very important to follow the rules
[4:20:00] and it's not going to get better, it's
[4:20:03] going to get worse. And where do you
[4:20:05] stop? We're going to stop at 30, 40, 60.
[4:20:09] There's a reason for the for the rules
[4:20:11] and everybody needs to follow them. And
[4:20:13] thank you KPRO for bringing this up.
[4:20:17] It's very important. Thank you.
[4:20:20] >> Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?
[4:20:24] » Thank you, Derry. Anyone else online?
[4:20:24] >> No, sir.
[4:20:25] » No, sir.
[4:20:25] >> Okay. Now we'll open the public one more
[4:20:27] » Okay. Now we'll open the public one more
[4:20:28] time for in-house.
[4:20:29] >> Okay.
[4:20:30] » Okay.
[4:20:30] >> Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the
[4:20:31] » Hi, my name is Alejandra. I'm with the
[4:20:32] Guacamole Mexican food. I just want to
[4:20:34] thank everybody who took the time to be
[4:20:36] in here because, you know, it's so hard
[4:20:38] right now with this time uh having a
[4:20:41] business. And then with all all of these
[4:20:43] regulations, we understand and then we
[4:20:45] agree. We want to do everything right.
[4:20:47] Um I have been going with the with the
[4:20:50] city department. I want to make sure
[4:20:51] that we're doing every single thing that
[4:20:53] we can. But you know what? Every day is
[4:20:56] different. There's a lot of
[4:20:57] contradictions. We just want to make
[4:20:58] sure that we're following the rules.
[4:21:01] Just let us know what we need because
[4:21:03] I'm pretty sure every single person
[4:21:06] here, we want to do right. We want to do
[4:21:09] everything right because each day is
[4:21:11] something different. We receive a phone
[4:21:13] call. Oh, now you need this. Now you
[4:21:15] need that. So I'm here uh speaking in
[4:21:18] behalf of my my u you know all of the
[4:21:22] food persons um because we want to be
[4:21:26] equal to to have the opportunities and
[4:21:29] then I also I'm just requesting
[4:21:33] have everything you know on paper you
[4:21:36] need this you need that and then also be
[4:21:38] fair you know as my my my people is
[4:21:41] telling we need seats for people that
[4:21:44] they want to just wait for their food
[4:21:46] and then outside is so hot. We just need
[4:21:48] like some tents or something just for
[4:21:50] for them to to not be on the heat
[4:21:52] because a lot of people they go just go
[4:21:54] walking. They they don't have a cars,
[4:21:56] you know. We just want to make sure that
[4:21:58] we want to do the best service for them.
[4:22:01] And then also
[4:22:03] um we don't want to steal anybody's
[4:22:05] business from the restaurants or
[4:22:06] nothing. Each one is has the different
[4:22:09] um um like services. If if I go to a
[4:22:12] restaurant, it's because I want to sit
[4:22:14] down and eat, have a good time, but
[4:22:16] there's a lot of people there in the go
[4:22:18] like really quick and they don't have
[4:22:19] time to be sitting down in a restaurant.
[4:22:22] So, we just want to be, you know, part
[4:22:24] of the a community and then like serve
[4:22:27] and then we don't want to steal nobody's
[4:22:29] nobody's job. We just want to here to um
[4:22:32] to support and then also we pay taxes.
[4:22:35] We pay every single thing as a
[4:22:37] restaurant. Um we just you know we need
[4:22:41] um we're serving different things and
[4:22:44] then as you know we just need um
[4:22:49] everything to be clear. We can follow
[4:22:50] the rules and then we can all be on the
[4:22:52] same page and then believe me we all pay
[4:22:55] rent. We all pay the every single thing
[4:22:58] as a restaurant do. So, if you can just
[4:23:01] please let us work, we can be, you know,
[4:23:05] all on the same page. And thank you so
[4:23:07] much for everything who came.
[4:23:08] >> Thank you.
[4:23:10] » Thank you.
[4:23:10] >> All right. Anyone else? One more time.
[4:23:13] » All right. Anyone else? One more time.
[4:23:14] Oh, please.
[4:23:22] Welcome.
[4:23:24] Hi, my name is Luis Diaz and I own the
[4:23:27] Mexican Futra Wenos and thank you for
[4:23:31] everybody here tonight. But we
[4:23:34] understand all the new roots coming up
[4:23:36] you guys want to put in. But we would
[4:23:39] like to see is anyway before
[4:23:43] start a new rules or whatever lets
[4:23:46] working with us uh with you know before
[4:23:48] you start putting list. So let us
[4:23:50] working right now the way it was before
[4:23:54] because they hurt our business and also
[4:23:58] if you guys put a new rules I would like
[4:24:00] to see uh to tell the police or anybody
[4:24:04] because after 5:00
[4:24:06] whatever you call the police and you
[4:24:08] tell hey I got this and this and they go
[4:24:10] and they don't know what they don't know
[4:24:12] any rules. So the only rules is the
[4:24:16] people work in the morning 8 to 4 and
[4:24:18] after 4:00 they don't know and they go
[4:24:20] home and well I don't know and they
[4:24:22] don't do anything. So and they want you
[4:24:24] guys going to do fair so do fair for
[4:24:26] everybody.
[4:24:28] >> Okay. Thank you.
[4:24:29] » Okay. Thank you.
[4:24:30] >> Thank you.
[4:24:32] » Thank you.
[4:24:32] >> All right.
[4:24:32] » All right.
[4:24:32] >> Mayor Hammond.
[4:24:33] » Mayor Hammond.
[4:24:33] >> Yes.
[4:24:33] » Yes.
[4:24:33] >> I have another caller.
[4:24:35] » I have another caller.
[4:24:35] >> Okay. One more.
[4:24:37] » Okay. One more.
[4:24:37] >> Anna Mendes.
[4:24:38] » Anna Mendes.
[4:24:38] >> Ann
[4:24:39] » Ann
[4:24:39] >> Anna.
[4:24:40] » Anna.
[4:24:40] >> Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on
[4:24:42] » Anna. Can you hear us? Go ahead. Hang on
[4:24:42] one second.
[4:24:45] There you go.
[4:24:47] >> Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of
[4:24:50] » Hi. Um, I just want to thank first of
[4:24:50] all the opportunity for us as a business
[4:24:53] owners uh to bring this topic up to us.
[4:24:56] But I think it's very necessary. First
[4:24:58] of all, um I heard in the beginning of
[4:25:00] the conversation there were being some
[4:25:02] complaints in regards of um how we
[4:25:05] operate around the city. But uh if you
[4:25:08] guys don't bring out those specific
[4:25:10] complaints, how we all going to be aware
[4:25:13] of that so we don't continue making
[4:25:15] those um mistakes
[4:25:18] for the future. Not just to bring it up
[4:25:21] directly to the vendor when it's, you
[4:25:24] know, the complaint it's for, but also
[4:25:26] to let everybody know.
[4:25:30] Um, in regards I heard u somebody saying
[4:25:33] too that restrooms are not specifically
[4:25:37] for um the
[4:25:41] gosh for the uh customers but it's
[4:25:45] always necessary too for employees. Um,
[4:25:47] I really highly recommend everybody to
[4:25:51] go back and look into the requirements
[4:25:53] for the food truck in order to be in
[4:25:56] compliance with all the requirements
[4:25:58] that the city has.
[4:26:03] » Okay. Is that your comment?
[4:26:07] >> Yes.
[4:26:08] » Yes.
[4:26:08] >> Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.
[4:26:10] » Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it.
[4:26:10] >> Thank you. Okay.
[4:26:13] » Thank you. Okay.
[4:26:13] >> All right. Uh, any more? One more time,
[4:26:15] » All right. Uh, any more? One more time,
[4:26:15] Melissa, and we'll close it.
[4:26:17] No.
[4:26:18] >> Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back
[4:26:20] » Okay, we're done. Let's bring it back
[4:26:20] then to council then for discussion
[4:26:23] here. Um heard a lot of testimony. I
[4:26:27] think uh who would like to start off
[4:26:28] with? Councilman Gregory.
[4:26:31] >> First of all, I'd like to thank
[4:26:32] » First of all, I'd like to thank
[4:26:32] everybody for being here to help our uh
[4:26:35] job get a little easier by working
[4:26:37] together. So, um one of the things um I
[4:26:41] think the ad hoc's a really good idea,
[4:26:43] but I want to describe the ad hoc a
[4:26:45] little bit. I think it's okay to have a
[4:26:47] couple councilmen on it, but I think we
[4:26:49] should have brick and mortar like
[4:26:50] Jeffrey and Anna and several uh truck
[4:26:53] owners like Mr. Sailor and that
[4:26:56] gentleman right there. I don't know your
[4:26:58] name. Sorry, but and Francisco. But I
[4:27:00] think we need to get into a room with a
[4:27:03] couple of our staff helping us write
[4:27:04] things down where the issues are. And I
[4:27:07] think we get to a conclusion pretty
[4:27:09] easily. But I want to make sure whatever
[4:27:12] we do, we allow the people to operate
[4:27:14] that have permits currently so we don't
[4:27:17] stop their progress because you have,
[4:27:19] you know, we want to keep it going, but
[4:27:21] at the same time, we'll work on getting
[4:27:23] it better so everybody has clarity. And
[4:27:26] it's really important that we have that
[4:27:27] clarity because everybody can follow the
[4:27:29] rules if everybody knows the rules and
[4:27:31] it helps everybody from the city staff
[4:27:34] to us up here and to the people who are
[4:27:38] your customers. You know, everybody
[4:27:39] wants to know it's a good place to eat,
[4:27:41] it's safe place to eat. And um I like
[4:27:45] Anna said a very nice comment in that
[4:27:47] it's good for everybody. Let's just make
[4:27:50] it work. So the boundaries are protected
[4:27:52] for everybody, both the food trucks and
[4:27:54] the brick and mortar and everybody's
[4:27:56] communicating well together and figuring
[4:27:58] it out. This is our town and you're our
[4:28:02] friends and we're going to make it work
[4:28:03] and the best way to do it is through ad
[4:28:05] hoc. So,
[4:28:08] >> Chris B.
[4:28:09] » Chris B.
[4:28:10] >> Thank you. Well said, Council Member
[4:28:11] » Thank you. Well said, Council Member
[4:28:11] Gregory. Um, thank you for everybody who
[4:28:14] has been here um tonight, who's reached
[4:28:18] out to talk about this. Um, we
[4:28:20] appreciate your comments. We appreciate
[4:28:22] your thoughts. We appreciate um the
[4:28:24] difficulties that you go through,
[4:28:26] whether you're a brick and mortar
[4:28:27] business, whether you are a food truck,
[4:28:30] uh whatever kind. It's not easy to be in
[4:28:33] business in California or past robos. We
[4:28:36] get it. Um I heard something new
[4:28:40] tonight. Um I I knew we had two
[4:28:43] different business models that I
[4:28:44] appreciate. We have brick and mortar
[4:28:46] that I absolutely love to go to. Uh but
[4:28:49] I also enjoy our food trucks. Different
[4:28:52] occasions. They're they're not they
[4:28:55] serve two different needs that I have
[4:28:57] and I appreciate that. Sometimes I need
[4:29:00] to go sit down at a restaurant during
[4:29:03] lunch with a client. Sometimes I want to
[4:29:04] take my wife out to a nice dinner.
[4:29:06] Sometimes I just want to go to a ball
[4:29:08] game and and have a hot dog. Um those
[4:29:11] are all good events. um the interlopers
[4:29:16] that are coming in from out of town. And
[4:29:18] I think that speaks to the heart of of
[4:29:20] one of the critical issues that we we're
[4:29:22] we really need our uh ad hoc committee
[4:29:25] to to focus on and and that's the the
[4:29:28] enforcement. Um I don't think it's it's
[4:29:33] um it's it's fair or wise to put all the
[4:29:36] blame on one uh entity, our police
[4:29:39] department. uh we have uh need to
[4:29:43] reconcile some of the contradictions
[4:29:45] that are within our own code. I think
[4:29:47] staff is well aware of that. I think
[4:29:49] that is something the uh uh ad hoc
[4:29:53] committee can can help with. U I would
[4:29:56] hope that it would like council member
[4:29:58] Gregory suggested it be not just limited
[4:30:03] to city council but also from a
[4:30:05] cross-section across our community.
[4:30:08] um
[4:30:10] the the issues that need to come back.
[4:30:13] I'm not sure if ad hoc does this or if
[4:30:16] ad hoc recommends this to to staff, but
[4:30:20] bathrooms, shade structures, generators,
[4:30:23] um you know, where uh how how does a
[4:30:28] commissary come into play, especially
[4:30:30] for out of town people? Obviously, they
[4:30:32] don't have a commissary here locally.
[4:30:34] Where is their food being prepared? Why
[4:30:36] isn't the health department regulating
[4:30:38] those guys? Uh how do we work better
[4:30:40] with the county to make sure that this
[4:30:42] gets enforced? We need a a kind of a a
[4:30:45] cross-sectional team. It seems like
[4:30:47] going forth. Not going to happen
[4:30:49] overnight. Um I do think we need to
[4:30:52] support our local residents. Uh we need
[4:30:55] to figure out how best to do that. We
[4:30:58] need help doing that. and I look forward
[4:31:00] to working uh with each of you, whether
[4:31:02] you're brick or and mortar, whether
[4:31:04] you're a food truck, uh whether you're
[4:31:06] just a resident that likes to go out and
[4:31:08] eat and enjoy good food. So, thank you
[4:31:10] very much,
[4:31:11] >> Councilman Strong.
[4:31:12] » Councilman Strong.
[4:31:12] >> Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want
[4:31:14] » Yes, thank you. And first of all, I want
[4:31:14] us to be clear, we're talking about an
[4:31:16] ad hoc committee. Remember what our city
[4:31:18] manager and what our attorney has said,
[4:31:20] that is two members of the council.
[4:31:22] Period. If we include members of the
[4:31:24] public in that committee, it becomes a
[4:31:27] Brown Act standing committee and goes on
[4:31:29] forever. So, if we're going to do this,
[4:31:33] we can have it with two members of the
[4:31:34] council as the committee. We can still
[4:31:36] invite all of the people we've talked
[4:31:38] about to please be at that meeting that
[4:31:40] they hold and have their input so those
[4:31:43] two members can get all that input that
[4:31:45] you're looking for. And that would mean
[4:31:48] that as many people who are interested
[4:31:50] in that as possible and maybe you have
[4:31:52] to translate this to Spanish so they all
[4:31:54] understand make sure that we have the
[4:31:57] names and address of those who want to
[4:32:00] participate in that decision-m
[4:32:02] so that we can notify them of when the
[4:32:04] meeting is and have that and then have
[4:32:07] that happen and perhaps you want to
[4:32:09] translate to that to them. Please if you
[4:32:12] may allow that Mr.
[4:32:14] >> Mayor
[4:32:15] » Mayor
[4:32:15] >> let's finish our discussion. Um,
[4:32:18] » let's finish our discussion. Um,
[4:32:18] >> let us finish and then we'll have
[4:32:20] » let us finish and then we'll have
[4:32:20] >> Yeah, let let's hang on.
[4:32:21] » Yeah, let let's hang on.
[4:32:21] >> Well, we should still have the names and
[4:32:22] » Well, we should still have the names and
[4:32:22] addresses. Just some contact
[4:32:24] information.
[4:32:24] >> Well, we haven't made a decision yet.
[4:32:26] » Well, we haven't made a decision yet.
[4:32:26] >> Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,
[4:32:28] » Yeah. What we're doing on that yet,
[4:32:28] Fred, but
[4:32:28] >> All right.
[4:32:29] » All right.
[4:32:29] >> Yeah. Council member,
[4:32:31] » Yeah. Council member,
[4:32:31] >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I
[4:32:33] » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, firstly, I
[4:32:33] just want to thank everybody for coming
[4:32:35] tonight. I know for some of you, this is
[4:32:38] probably the first city council meeting
[4:32:40] that you've ever attended. And uh I know
[4:32:43] for me, I've been having a lot of these
[4:32:45] conversations, but even in this short
[4:32:46] amount of time, I learned quite a bit. I
[4:32:49] think other people learned a few things
[4:32:51] that we didn't know before. And I think
[4:32:53] that's informative how much better this
[4:32:56] process would have been if we had gotten
[4:32:59] h been able to have this conversation a
[4:33:01] few months ago. That would have informed
[4:33:02] how it rolled out, the information, any
[4:33:05] contradictions that we might have seen.
[4:33:08] Um,
[4:33:10] you know, Bill's comments at the
[4:33:12] beginning were very smart and actually
[4:33:14] consistent with what I had heard from
[4:33:16] other people. You know, we we paid our
[4:33:18] business license and then like a week
[4:33:20] later we got a phone call saying that we
[4:33:22] needed to a different kind of permit.
[4:33:25] You know, I I heard this over and over
[4:33:26] and over and kind of the the conflicting
[4:33:30] information between the website and the
[4:33:32] code. Um, which is not easy. I mean,
[4:33:35] what you heard are people that want to
[4:33:36] follow the rules. They want to do the
[4:33:38] right thing. They in good faith think
[4:33:41] they're doing all of the right thing
[4:33:43] only to get a call that says, "Uh, not
[4:33:45] quite." And I know this is a little
[4:33:48] hiccup. I know there was a lot going on
[4:33:49] with the co the code, you know, improve
[4:33:52] uh updates. I get that. But I also know
[4:33:56] that we can learn from this and we can
[4:33:58] do better, you know, better better
[4:34:00] governance in terms of how we would
[4:34:01] manage that. I think any business owner
[4:34:03] here would be upset if they thought they
[4:34:06] were doing the right thing and then the
[4:34:08] city came in and said, "Oh, well,
[4:34:11] functionally, you really can't do this
[4:34:13] for the next month. This is really going
[4:34:14] to knock out your July." Because this
[4:34:17] was so disruptive for people. It really
[4:34:19] knocked out people's July.
[4:34:23] Hardworking business owners. And um I'm
[4:34:28] happy that everybody wants to have the
[4:34:29] ad hoc. It's kind of a technicality that
[4:34:32] technically it's only two council
[4:34:34] people, but of of course we will bring
[4:34:37] people in to help inform what the next
[4:34:39] step is. I don't think it should take
[4:34:41] that long. Um calendaring it will be
[4:34:44] probably be the hardest thing, but uh
[4:34:47] again that we are this is your city. We
[4:34:50] are your representatives
[4:34:52] and this is an opportunity for us to
[4:34:55] learn. We really appreciate everybody
[4:34:56] coming tonight. I you know like was said
[4:34:59] in the earlier uh item you know we want
[4:35:03] to make opportunities for small
[4:35:05] entrepreneurs.
[4:35:08] » Well yay yay yay you.
[4:35:14] So thank you.
[4:35:16] >> Okay.
[4:35:20] Okay. So again, the reason we we brought
[4:35:22] this up was, you know, uh concern from
[4:35:24] staff regarding the municipal code and
[4:35:27] which creates challenges and ambiguity
[4:35:30] and vagness that they were not quite
[4:35:32] sure on how to handle and that's why
[4:35:33] we're here where we are now. I think
[4:35:35] it's it's clear that food trucks are are
[4:35:39] good that we should have them. Uh but
[4:35:42] there's so many nuances to the reg rules
[4:35:44] and regulations that we need to get
[4:35:45] clarified. So again, the folks know the
[4:35:48] rules and they can comply with the
[4:35:49] rules. Um I think what I've heard
[4:35:52] tonight is that basically an ad hoc is
[4:35:54] really what everybody's thinking about
[4:35:55] doing here as far as getting more input
[4:35:57] from the public. I think that's
[4:35:59] important. We need to have the
[4:36:01] stakeholders bring back what their
[4:36:03] requirements are to be able to operate
[4:36:05] properly but also fit within the code.
[4:36:08] uh there's clearly code already set for
[4:36:10] these kind of things with county and uh
[4:36:13] other services that you know we have to
[4:36:15] comply with as far as a city. So if if
[4:36:18] the intent is uh with the council to
[4:36:20] start that ad hoc I'd like to ask
[4:36:23] Elizabeth um then
[4:36:26] >> how we can do this given the amount of
[4:36:29] » how we can do this given the amount of
[4:36:29] interest you know with the city what are
[4:36:31] what's the framework for the ad hoc that
[4:36:33] we could consider. Uh so for an ad hoc
[4:36:36] committee I would recommend that you
[4:36:37] have two council members. So it's not a
[4:36:39] form of council um and have that be the
[4:36:42] committee and that'll be who would
[4:36:44] report report back
[4:36:45] >> to the whole board
[4:36:46] » to the whole board
[4:36:46] >> to the to the council. Um and then you
[4:36:49] » to the to the council. Um and then you
[4:36:49] can uh invite people to participate. You
[4:36:52] can bring people in as speakers but I
[4:36:54] would have the committee be just the two
[4:36:55] council members.
[4:36:56] >> Would it be like a workshop be in order
[4:36:59] » Would it be like a workshop be in order
[4:36:59] on something like that for a particular
[4:37:01] Saturday or something like that?
[4:37:02] >> Uh with the committee? Sure. You could
[4:37:04] » Uh with the committee? Sure. You could
[4:37:04] do that.
[4:37:05] >> That's how we've done in the past. I
[4:37:06] » That's how we've done in the past. I
[4:37:06] just want to make it clear that, you
[4:37:08] know, um, we can run a meeting like
[4:37:10] that.
[4:37:10] >> The ad hoc committee can meet whenever
[4:37:11] » The ad hoc committee can meet whenever
[4:37:11] they'd like and we just need to make
[4:37:13] sure we advertise it so that everybody's
[4:37:15] got the opportunity to participate.
[4:37:17] >> Okay. So again, we'll go back to
[4:37:18] » Okay. So again, we'll go back to
[4:37:18] council. Is that kind of what we want to
[4:37:20] try and do?
[4:37:21] >> Yep.
[4:37:21] » Yep.
[4:37:21] >> So the next step is who would like to
[4:37:23] » So the next step is who would like to
[4:37:24] serve?
[4:37:24] >> I would I will
[4:37:27] » I would I will
[4:37:27] see every
[4:37:29] >> John I'd like one one point.
[4:37:31] » John I'd like one one point.
[4:37:31] >> Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other
[4:37:33] » Go ahead. Uh I think one of the other
[4:37:33] things maybe even slightly ahead of the
[4:37:35] the um ad hoc committee I think we we've
[4:37:39] come to a consensus that there are some
[4:37:41] some contradictions within the existing
[4:37:43] structure. Uh I think staff can probably
[4:37:46] handle identifying what those
[4:37:49] contradictions are and bring those back
[4:37:52] to council sooner than later. Uh and try
[4:37:56] to eliminate. So we heard a lot of
[4:37:58] requests for clarity. Where do I go?
[4:38:00] Give me one stop. We have two places to
[4:38:02] go right now. Parks and wreck and
[4:38:04] planning. Can we clarify some of that
[4:38:07] and bring that back to council sooner
[4:38:09] than we do? I'm not saying don't do do
[4:38:12] an ad hoc, but the ad hoc might not come
[4:38:14] back for a while.
[4:38:14] >> Well, that that's going to be the next
[4:38:16] » Well, that that's going to be the next
[4:38:16] question. Um staff, how soon do you
[4:38:18] think we could probably get something
[4:38:20] going on an ad hoc to address the item?
[4:38:23] >> Yeah, I think it just comes down to to
[4:38:25] » Yeah, I think it just comes down to to
[4:38:25] schedules and the schedules of the the
[4:38:27] two that would sit on the ad hoc. to
[4:38:29] answer or try to answer council member
[4:38:30] voucher's question. Uh my recommendation
[4:38:33] would be that uh you know we we hear
[4:38:35] your feedback and understand that there
[4:38:37] is need for clarity and an interim
[4:38:40] period we would look to uh you as as
[4:38:44] complaints will likely come in still. Uh
[4:38:47] we can assess those but u recognize that
[4:38:51] until there's further clarity it's going
[4:38:52] to be uh probably in the best interest
[4:38:55] to wait to see what the outcome of the
[4:38:56] ad hoc is.
[4:38:57] >> Exactly. Um my recommendation would be
[4:38:59] » Exactly. Um my recommendation would be
[4:38:59] that that uh any of those clarity type
[4:39:03] of updates along with whatever else the
[4:39:05] ad hoc wants to talk about and make
[4:39:06] recommendations back to full council
[4:39:08] come back in one package just so overall
[4:39:11] there's a good perspective of what
[4:39:13] changes uh the the the committee is
[4:39:16] recommending and those are all
[4:39:18] implemented at one time or discussed at
[4:39:20] one time. That would be my
[4:39:21] recommendation. In the interim, we can
[4:39:23] work on a case-by case basis. If it's a
[4:39:26] significant public safety and health
[4:39:28] issue, then we're likely going to need
[4:39:29] to be addressing that complaint. If it's
[4:39:32] a nuanced kind of discussion on they're
[4:39:34] on gravel and not asphalt, I think
[4:39:36] that's something that we can we can work
[4:39:38] uh in the interim to while the the ad
[4:39:41] hoc committee is is deliberating.
[4:39:43] >> Okay. And I was going to recommend that
[4:39:45] » Okay. And I was going to recommend that
[4:39:45] that's why we suspend the current
[4:39:46] citations and not go any further with
[4:39:49] those until we've gotten more better
[4:39:50] clarity. because I think some of the
[4:39:52] citations of people were in working in
[4:39:55] in in faith, good faith, and didn't
[4:39:58] realize that we were going to stop all
[4:40:00] these new things in if it's a health
[4:40:02] department issuing a citation, that's a
[4:40:04] whole different thing. But I think our
[4:40:06] citations out out of briefly put on hold
[4:40:09] until we have clarity.
[4:40:10] >> I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,
[4:40:13] » I I'd like to talk about that, Fred. So,
[4:40:13] and maybe we can get some clarity from
[4:40:14] Chief Nord, but if people don't have the
[4:40:17] license to operate,
[4:40:19] >> that's a different scenario. So my my
[4:40:21] » that's a different scenario. So my my
[4:40:21] comment was you have these a lot of
[4:40:23] people acting within the the regulations
[4:40:26] we have. We let them continue to operate
[4:40:29] until we could filter out all the
[4:40:30] issues. Okay. And then one plug for me
[4:40:35] being on that I have 30 years in the
[4:40:37] restaurant business
[4:40:38] >> and I worked with the health department
[4:40:40] » and I worked with the health department
[4:40:40] a lot.
[4:40:41] >> Okay.
[4:40:43] » Okay.
[4:40:43] Yeah,
[4:40:43] >> I have about 15 years in in uh direct,
[4:40:47] » I have about 15 years in in uh direct,
[4:40:47] five years direct and about 10 years
[4:40:50] consulting.
[4:40:50] >> Okay. I don't have a problem actually.
[4:40:52] » Okay. I don't have a problem actually.
[4:40:52] These two I mean well like like a little
[4:40:57] dog. Go ahead. Go ahead. Let me do it.
[4:41:00] >> Yeah. I think at this point uh these two
[4:41:02] » Yeah. I think at this point uh these two
[4:41:02] have more interest and seems like they
[4:41:04] could certainly uh carry the water on
[4:41:05] it. But point is um you know getting
[4:41:08] your calendar set up and scheduled to
[4:41:10] get it in a timely manner. I think
[4:41:11] that's going to be important to bring it
[4:41:12] forward. Um I if again we don't have to
[4:41:16] have a a vote on this I don't believe
[4:41:18] just going to direct them to go ahead
[4:41:20] and form an ad hoc and calendar it with
[4:41:24] council boss and council Gregory as the
[4:41:27] ad hoc members.
[4:41:29] Is that good enough for good enough for
[4:41:31] staff?
[4:41:32] >> I'll agree.
[4:41:33] » I'll agree.
[4:41:33] >> Yeah. And then we'll be noticed
[4:41:34] » Yeah. And then we'll be noticed
[4:41:34] obviously um public will be noticed and
[4:41:36] informed when they're going to meet so
[4:41:39] you can have some input and find out
[4:41:41] when and where.
[4:41:42] >> Okay. Francisco
[4:41:45] » Okay. Francisco
[4:41:45] Spanish people don't speak.
[4:41:47] >> Francisco do you want to translate a
[4:41:48] » Francisco do you want to translate a
[4:41:48] little bit what we just said on as far
[4:41:49] as uh
[4:41:50] >> if I may but can I also give you one
[4:41:53] » if I may but can I also give you one
[4:41:53] more concern one more question that our
[4:41:55] public had that I want you guys to know
[4:41:57] before we finish.
[4:41:59] >> Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh
[4:42:01] » Okay. One more time. Go ahead. Uh
[4:42:01] question and and that everybody was
[4:42:03] asking that food truck uh operators was
[4:42:07] can they continue to do business until
[4:42:11] we and yourselves uh find out what the
[4:42:15] new rules are, the new regulations and
[4:42:17] what the permits that you guys want to
[4:42:20] happen. Can they continue to conduct
[4:42:22] business
[4:42:23] >> based on based on staff? Again, I don't
[4:42:25] » based on based on staff? Again, I don't
[4:42:25] think we've given any direction to
[4:42:27] curtail any activity at this point. So,
[4:42:30] I'm assuming they can still operate
[4:42:32] under the operations or unless they
[4:42:34] don't have a permit. Uh, Chief, would
[4:42:37] you weigh in?
[4:42:42] » Mayor, council,
[4:42:49] » trying to think of my words before I say
[4:42:52] them right now.
[4:42:52] >> Yeah,
[4:42:54] » Yeah,
[4:42:54] >> we are enforcing current law. No
[4:42:56] » we are enforcing current law. No
[4:42:56] citations were put out. We went out and
[4:42:58] educated. We contacted as many of the uh
[4:43:04] food truck owners as we could and
[4:43:06] between the two of us, we worked
[4:43:08] together to create that list and get
[4:43:10] that's why we were getting emails.
[4:43:11] That's why we were getting phone numbers
[4:43:12] so that we could communicate with
[4:43:13] everyone, pass out these flyers and get
[4:43:16] that information out there. That's what
[4:43:17] we that's what we did.
[4:43:20] If you tell us right now to not enforce
[4:43:22] some of these things, my fear is that
[4:43:26] you're it's
[4:43:28] You haven't begun to see what kind of
[4:43:30] out of control we can have with food
[4:43:31] carts and food trucks. We can't do that.
[4:43:34] >> No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was
[4:43:36] » No, I wasn't suggesting that. I was
[4:43:36] suggesting continue as usual like you
[4:43:39] are doing currently,
[4:43:40] >> right?
[4:43:41] » right?
[4:43:41] >> With
[4:43:41] » With
[4:43:41] >> I don't I don't know that that's what's
[4:43:43] » I don't I don't know that that's what's
[4:43:43] being asked
[4:43:44] >> if if people have their current permits,
[4:43:47] » if if people have their current permits,
[4:43:47] >> right?
[4:43:47] » right?
[4:43:47] >> Yes. I have no problems continuing with
[4:43:49] » Yes. I have no problems continuing with
[4:43:49] what we're currently doing,
[4:43:50] >> right?
[4:43:51] » right?
[4:43:51] >> With all of the all the um education
[4:43:53] » With all of the all the um education
[4:43:53] that we've done,
[4:43:54] >> right? And if we can continue to make
[4:43:55] » right? And if we can continue to make
[4:43:55] sure if you if you need your temporary
[4:43:57] use permit, if you have those things,
[4:43:59] then absolutely we will we don't have
[4:44:01] any problems with that. We will continue
[4:44:02] as normal
[4:44:02] >> until council has changed something. But
[4:44:04] » until council has changed something. But
[4:44:04] that's understood. That's the way we
[4:44:06] >> that's what we were looking for at this
[4:44:07] » that's what we were looking for at this
[4:44:07] point in time.
[4:44:07] >> So Francisco, you understand that?
[4:44:09] » So Francisco, you understand that?
[4:44:09] >> Yeah.
[4:44:10] » Yeah.
[4:44:10] >> Okay. Good.
[4:44:11] » Okay. Good.
[4:44:12] >> Thank you, Chief. Okay.
[4:44:27] [Music]
[4:44:42] warning.
[4:45:12] Department
[4:45:18] Okay.
[4:45:20] [Music]
[4:45:36] Tacos.
[4:46:11] So I just told him that you are going to
[4:46:14] um start ad hoc committee. It will be
[4:46:17] consistent that both of you guys two
[4:46:19] members of the city council and that
[4:46:21] everybody will be invited in the public
[4:46:23] to to to be there. Is that a correct?
[4:46:26] >> Yes, that's correct.
[4:46:26] » Yes, that's correct.
[4:46:26] >> Okay. So, that's why I told them it's
[4:46:28] » Okay. So, that's why I told them it's
[4:46:28] important that they also attend those
[4:46:30] meetings if there that's their interest
[4:46:32] and for the rest of the stakeholders so
[4:46:34] that they know and they get information
[4:46:37] there and they can also give your
[4:46:39] opinion as a food truck business owner
[4:46:42] to you guys. Is that correct?
[4:46:44] >> To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then
[4:46:46] » To the ad hoc and the ad hoc is then
[4:46:46] make a recommendation back to full
[4:46:47] counsel. That's the way it work, right?
[4:47:12] Um,
[4:47:13] anything else?
[4:47:14] >> Yes.
[4:47:16] » Yes.
[4:47:16] >> That's good.
[4:47:18] » That's good.
[4:47:18] >> I don't know. We don't need to know
[4:47:19] » I don't know. We don't need to know
[4:47:19] right now, but uh that's time to meet
[4:47:40] in the afternoon around the same time
[4:47:44] late
[4:47:52] » during the week
[4:47:54] >> and and around this same time after 6.
[4:47:57] » and and around this same time after 6.
[4:47:57] >> Okay.
[4:47:57] » Okay.
[4:47:58] >> Anytime after 6.
[4:48:00] » Anytime after 6.
[4:48:00] >> Similar.
[4:48:01] » Similar.
[4:48:01] >> Does that work
[4:48:02] » Does that work
[4:48:02] >> actually? Okay.
[4:48:03] » actually? Okay.
[4:48:03] >> Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll
[4:48:06] » Yeah. Let's uh let's go ahead. We'll
[4:48:06] notice it. We're going to try and fit
[4:48:07] into everybody's calendar and we'll try
[4:48:09] and get it as close possible to that
[4:48:11] that time frame. And it might be good
[4:48:13] that you uh be part of that uh group
[4:48:15] too, Francisco. Translate.
[4:48:18] >> I I graciously take your invitation and
[4:48:21] » I I graciously take your invitation and
[4:48:21] I will be there.
[4:48:22] >> Very good.
[4:48:38] um when you guys decide on a date uh you
[4:48:41] will let everybody know.
[4:48:43] >> Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it
[4:48:45] » Yes, we'll we'll post it and notice it
[4:48:45] and also talk about it at probably our
[4:48:46] next council meeting.
[4:48:47] >> What location will you use? Will you use
[4:48:49] » What location will you use? Will you use
[4:48:49] the same room?
[4:48:50] >> Announce that. We don't want to
[4:48:52] » Announce that. We don't want to
[4:48:52] we have no night. Uh they're going to
[4:48:54] have to schedule this and so we have no
[4:48:56] idea when or where.
[4:48:58] >> So why don't we why don't we do this?
[4:48:59] » So why don't we why don't we do this?
[4:48:59] >> When you do that date, you'll give that
[4:49:01] » When you do that date, you'll give that
[4:49:01] information.
[4:49:01] >> We're going to be renovating city hall.
[4:49:03] » We're going to be renovating city hall.
[4:49:04] >> So Mr. Mayor,
[4:49:04] » So Mr. Mayor,
[4:49:04] >> we're going to move our meetings out to
[4:49:06] » we're going to move our meetings out to
[4:49:06] the east side of Centennial Park, too.
[4:49:08] >> Mr. We're getting a little out of
[4:49:10] » Mr. We're getting a little out of
[4:49:10] control here. So let's be clear. We are
[4:49:13] you can do it by motion or by consensus
[4:49:16] to create an ad hoc committee to address
[4:49:19] the food truck issue. So it's a limited
[4:49:21] scope. It's related to the food truck
[4:49:23] ordinance uh for a limited period of
[4:49:26] time. Come back within the next 6
[4:49:27] months,
[4:49:29] >> 90 days, whatever the appropriate time
[4:49:31] » 90 days, whatever the appropriate time
[4:49:31] frame is. Um
[4:49:33] and then designate who's going to be on
[4:49:36] it. And
[4:49:36] >> so move second.
[4:49:38] » so move second.
[4:49:38] >> We already have our two
[4:49:40] » We already have our two
[4:49:40] >> two people now. call for the question.
[4:49:42] » two people now. call for the question.
[4:49:42] >> No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish
[4:49:45] » No, no, go ahead a little bit. Finish
[4:49:45] up.
[4:49:45] >> Okay. So, we just need to be clear for
[4:49:48] » Okay. So, we just need to be clear for
[4:49:48] purposes of the minutes that you could
[4:49:50] do it by motion or consensus. I don't
[4:49:51] care either way. We need the names of
[4:49:54] the people who are going to be on it,
[4:49:55] the period of time, and the limited
[4:49:57] scope. And then it's an ad hoc committee
[4:49:59] that is not subject to the Brown Act.
[4:50:01] >> So, what do we think staff as far as
[4:50:03] » So, what do we think staff as far as
[4:50:03] time calendar? I mean, how many months
[4:50:05] are you thinking here roughly?
[4:50:08] Any idea?
[4:50:10] three months.
[4:50:12] >> It's going to be three to six months.
[4:50:13] » It's going to be three to six months.
[4:50:13] >> Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to
[4:50:17] » Yeah. Okay. So motion then we need to
[4:50:17] have drawn.
[4:50:18] >> So let's just
[4:50:19] » So let's just
[4:50:19] >> or we can just do by consensus, right?
[4:50:21] » or we can just do by consensus, right?
[4:50:21] >> Consensus.
[4:50:22] » Consensus.
[4:50:22] >> Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to
[4:50:24] » Yeah. Consensus is that we're going to
[4:50:24] have Councilman Bos Councilman.
[4:50:26] >> Nope.
[4:50:29] » Nope.
[4:50:29] >> There were two there were two different
[4:50:30] » There were two there were two different
[4:50:30] motions. So there was
[4:50:31] >> We have a motion. We have a motion on
[4:50:33] » We have a motion. We have a motion on
[4:50:33] the floored motion.
[4:50:35] >> Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I
[4:50:38] » Yeah. Okay. To form it started. But I
[4:50:38] think what Elizabeth is trying to do is
[4:50:40] more concise uh information as to what
[4:50:44] we're doing.
[4:50:45] >> Can we have a council member that speaks
[4:50:47] » Can we have a council member that speaks
[4:50:47] Spanish in the in this meeting in this
[4:50:49] committee at hawk?
[4:50:51] >> We have you
[4:50:52] » We have you
[4:50:52] >> actually I think
[4:50:53] » actually I think
[4:50:53] >> she she could be in the audience.
[4:50:55] » she she could be in the audience.
[4:50:55] >> I know I can't be in the audience cuz of
[4:50:57] » I know I can't be in the audience cuz of
[4:50:57] Brown. So I know people were sort of
[4:51:00] joking with my exuberance but I I do
[4:51:03] think it makes sense to have me on the
[4:51:05] ad hoc. I think I bring a little
[4:51:07] different perspective than Mr. Gregory,
[4:51:09] a little different history, and I also
[4:51:11] have a connection with HBA and our our
[4:51:15] business owners. Mr.
[4:51:17] >> Spanish,
[4:51:18] » Spanish,
[4:51:18] >> can I speak Spanish?
[4:51:19] » can I speak Spanish?
[4:51:19] >> Okay. All right. I don't care really
[4:51:21] » Okay. All right. I don't care really
[4:51:21] personally, but I'm going to leave it up
[4:51:23] to you, too.
[4:51:29] » Yeah, I know. But, uh, it's all going to
[4:51:32] be just a consensus here anyway. I'm not
[4:51:34] calling for a motion. So, you guys still
[4:51:38] want to hold it? And
[4:51:39] >> I think I think we're still the best
[4:51:41] » I think I think we're still the best
[4:51:41] people for it, John.
[4:51:43] >> Okay.
[4:51:44] » Okay.
[4:51:44] >> All due respect, gentlemen.
[4:51:47] » All due respect, gentlemen.
[4:51:47] >> All right. Again, Francisco, you're
[4:51:48] » All right. Again, Francisco, you're
[4:51:48] going to be there anyway. Um, and it's
[4:51:50] all coming back.
[4:51:51] >> Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.
[4:51:54] » Peter, you're welcome to be there, too.
[4:51:54] >> Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us
[4:51:55] » Yeah, it's going to be coming back to us
[4:51:55] for final consent and, you know,
[4:51:58] approval.
[4:51:59] >> So, this is just investigated the way I
[4:52:01] » So, this is just investigated the way I
[4:52:01] see it. you guys are bringing back
[4:52:02] information for us to further discuss.
[4:52:04] So we want to have again Councilman Bos,
[4:52:07] Councilman Gregory for 3 to six month
[4:52:10] term of an ad hoc and we're going to be
[4:52:14] asking staff to provide information to
[4:52:16] that group and notice it to the public
[4:52:19] whenever we can get a meeting room and
[4:52:21] time to accommodate the number that
[4:52:24] might be appropriate. And then mayor, if
[4:52:27] I can add, uh, given the discussion
[4:52:29] tonight, we'll likely look into having,
[4:52:31] uh, city translation services available
[4:52:34] and do that, too. Okay.
[4:52:36] >> All right. So, is that good u consensus
[4:52:39] » All right. So, is that good u consensus
[4:52:39] enough or you were only call for a vote
[4:52:41] on on that motion? There was a motion by
[4:52:44] you, too.
[4:52:44] >> We have a motion on the floor.
[4:52:46] » We have a motion on the floor.
[4:52:46] >> Yeah.
[4:52:46] » Yeah.
[4:52:46] >> Which motion?
[4:52:47] » Which motion?
[4:52:47] >> So, we have a motion on the floor to
[4:52:49] » So, we have a motion on the floor to
[4:52:49] create an ad hoc committee
[4:52:51] regarding the food truck ordinance
[4:52:53] issues. can the ad hoc is Mr. Gregory
[4:52:56] and Mr. Bosch and they will report back
[4:52:59] within 6 months.
[4:53:00] >> 6 months max. Yeah.
[4:53:03] » 6 months max. Yeah.
[4:53:03] >> Okay.
[4:53:04] » Okay.
[4:53:04] >> Go ahead and call.
[4:53:05] » Go ahead and call.
[4:53:05] >> I need clarification on who made the
[4:53:06] » I need clarification on who made the
[4:53:06] motion and who seconded.
[4:53:08] >> Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was
[4:53:09] » Mr. Bosch made the motion. It was
[4:53:09] seconded by Mr. Gregory.
[4:53:11] >> Thank you.
[4:53:14] » Thank you.
[4:53:14] >> Council member Bosch.
[4:53:15] » Council member Bosch.
[4:53:15] >> I.
[4:53:15] » I.
[4:53:15] >> Council member Gregory.
[4:53:17] » Council member Gregory.
[4:53:17] >> I.
[4:53:17] » I.
[4:53:17] >> Council member Beiel.
[4:53:18] » Council member Beiel.
[4:53:18] >> No.
[4:53:19] » No.
[4:53:19] >> Council member Strong.
[4:53:20] » Council member Strong.
[4:53:20] >> Yes.
[4:53:21] » Yes.
[4:53:21] >> Mayor Hammond.
[4:53:22] » Mayor Hammond.
[4:53:22] >> I. Motion passes.
[4:53:24] » I. Motion passes.
[4:53:24] >> Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.
[4:53:27] » Okay. All right. So, you guys get going.
[4:53:27] >> Okay.
[4:53:28] » Okay.
[4:53:28] >> Report out. Okay.
[4:53:31] » Report out. Okay.
[4:53:31] >> All right. We're moving on to last item
[4:53:33] » All right. We're moving on to last item
[4:53:33] we have pretty much is u city manager
[4:53:36] report. Mr. Hua.
[4:53:37] >> Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's
[4:53:39] » Uh yes, mayor. Just uh one item and it's
[4:53:39] actually an update from a question we
[4:53:41] had earlier tonight. Um,
[4:53:44] >> thank you.
[4:53:47] » thank you.
[4:53:47] >> Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP
[4:53:50] » Uh, just a note that the city uh CIP
[4:53:50] project updates are actually already
[4:53:52] published on the city's website uh under
[4:53:54] the public works department web page,
[4:53:56] but we'll uh work on making those more
[4:53:58] front and center on the city website.
[4:54:00] Other than that, no other updates for
[4:54:02] you this evening. Thank you.
[4:54:04] >> Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave
[4:54:07] » Okay, we'll give him a minute to leave
[4:54:07] here.
[4:54:22] Okay, we're on then to council business
[4:54:25] and committee reports. Uh, council
[4:54:26] member,
[4:54:28] >> really, really quickly, uh, we went to
[4:54:30] » really, really quickly, uh, we went to
[4:54:30] the labor uh, presentation at the fair
[4:54:33] about apprenticeships and sort of the
[4:54:35] role of, uh, construction jobs as being
[4:54:38] head of household jobs. I thought that
[4:54:39] was really interesting. The big
[4:54:41] bookmobile is great. Thank you, Mr.
[4:54:44] Freys, for our e excellent community
[4:54:46] development tour. Um the the Royal Lake
[4:54:50] Meadows Park ribbon cutting was
[4:54:53] beautiful along with Riverwalk Terrace.
[4:54:56] I think it's really important to take a
[4:54:58] minute and really celebrate these great
[4:55:01] things that happen and, you know, thank
[4:55:03] my colleagues for helping get them to
[4:55:05] this place. Um, I went to the uh,
[4:55:08] housing services oversight council. I
[4:55:12] thought it was interesting that 73, you
[4:55:14] know, they're working on data and it's a
[4:55:16] little challenging, but one of the
[4:55:17] metrics is that 73% of the families
[4:55:19] going through coordinated entry ended up
[4:55:21] in permanent housing. So, that's a
[4:55:25] wonderful metric, but just remember that
[4:55:27] it's challenging because when people
[4:55:29] leave the area, it's hard to tra track
[4:55:32] track them. So, we don't always know the
[4:55:34] outcomes with some people. A lot of
[4:55:36] constituent services things. Um, I'm
[4:55:39] going to my newly elected uh academy in
[4:55:43] Oxnard next week. So, wish me luck. But
[4:55:46] uh I appreciate the opportunity to be of
[4:55:49] service and thank you to all the staff
[4:55:51] for everything that you do. Um that's it
[4:55:54] for me. Thank
[4:55:59] » Councilman Strong.
[4:56:02] >> Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the
[4:56:05] » Yes. Thank you. Um, well, I attended the
[4:56:05] urban cutting over there for the new uh
[4:56:08] uh uh what is it? Oaks, not Oaks Park.
[4:56:13] >> Royal Oaks.
[4:56:14] » Royal Oaks.
[4:56:14] >> Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And
[4:56:17] » Royal Oaks Meadow. And it was great. And
[4:56:17] a lot of little, it was a real toty.
[4:56:23] They made a great backdrop to the ribbon
[4:56:25] cutting even. And we put some down in
[4:56:27] front as well. So, that was that was
[4:56:29] kind of great. That was really neat. Uh
[4:56:31] my biggest meeting was meeting of uh uh
[4:56:37] that was uh well actually it wasn't low
[4:56:39] sand it was concerning low sand and we
[4:56:42] did have a low sand meeting and that's
[4:56:44] what this train is all about. U we are
[4:56:49] having the surf liner now to have
[4:56:52] special trains just for special events.
[4:56:54] This one is for Disneyland's 70th
[4:56:57] anniversary. And there will be special
[4:56:59] trains to Disneyland, but also they're
[4:57:02] going to have special drain trains for
[4:57:04] some of the other events such as the
[4:57:06] Olympics in uh LA and also at various
[4:57:12] racetracks when they're operating. We're
[4:57:14] working very diligently to have them
[4:57:16] have special trains for our midstate
[4:57:17] fair as well so that we can get some
[4:57:20] people up on those trains and that is
[4:57:23] under consideration. But right now the
[4:57:25] train service is interrupted and I was
[4:57:28] on the phone with one of the executives
[4:57:30] of Union Pacific because Union Pacific
[4:57:34] has shut down the train down at LMPoke
[4:57:38] because we are putting in a new bridge
[4:57:41] that is going to be a through bridge.
[4:57:43] Right now, our trains at that area, if a
[4:57:46] freight is coming through, they have to
[4:57:48] get off the track and back up onto a
[4:57:50] mile and a half long uh siding,
[4:57:54] and it doesn't have an exit. So, when
[4:57:56] the train goes past, then it has to back
[4:57:58] up a mile and a half to get back on the
[4:58:00] track and proceed forward. This bridge
[4:58:02] will complete that over a stretch of the
[4:58:04] ocean to get to the other side. And it's
[4:58:07] very delicate. So we had a big big uh uh
[4:58:11] disagreement with Vandenberg because for
[4:58:13] one month they have to suspend all
[4:58:15] rockets. So there will be no uh rocket
[4:58:18] launches for one month while that train
[4:58:21] while that bridge is under construction
[4:58:23] because we'll have workers walking on
[4:58:26] girders up there putting this together
[4:58:28] and the rocket launches cause the ver
[4:58:30] gers the girdters to vibrate which would
[4:58:33] then knock these people into the ocean
[4:58:34] could drown them. we can't have workers
[4:58:37] out there getting killed for doing their
[4:58:39] job. So, reluctantly, Vandenberg agreed
[4:58:43] and that is now underway. Um, they also
[4:58:47] had a request from Cal Pali to have
[4:58:48] their own private sighting at their
[4:58:51] campus. So, we had to talk about that
[4:58:54] and realize that they're meeting with
[4:58:56] them this week on Friday to say no, that
[4:59:00] doesn't make good sense because the only
[4:59:02] place the current track uh actually
[4:59:05] connects with the campus is out by CMC
[4:59:09] on its way up the grade.
[4:59:12] And to go up the grade, they'd have to
[4:59:14] go all the way to the Bay Area to turn
[4:59:16] around, which makes no sense when or
[4:59:20] else they're going to have to back up
[4:59:21] all the way back to the station. Well,
[4:59:23] the station is just as close to the main
[4:59:26] campus as that place 2 miles down across
[4:59:30] the campus in their A area. So the
[4:59:34] recommendation to Calpali is to get a
[4:59:37] bus, hire a bus driver, meet the trains
[4:59:39] at the station, and take the students
[4:59:41] where they have to go. And that's where
[4:59:44] we left that. And that's probably the
[4:59:46] end of my report right now.
[4:59:47] >> All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council
[4:59:49] » All right. Thank you, Fred. Uh, Council
[4:59:50] Bel,
[4:59:53] » uh, like Council Member Beiel, um,
[4:59:56] attended the Midstate Fair, the trade
[4:59:58] presentation annual event. It's great
[5:00:00] event. uh uh great program uh to get
[5:00:03] young people involved in apprenticeship
[5:00:05] programs. Uh the Riverwalk Terrace,
[5:00:08] thank you for a great project that
[5:00:09] turned out very nice to our housing
[5:00:11] authority folks. Um the
[5:00:16] um attended the Pastor's Groundwater
[5:00:19] Authority meeting on the 23rd. Um
[5:00:21] attended the pancake breakfast on the
[5:00:24] 24th downtown park. Thank you to the
[5:00:26] fair. Thank you to Main Street. Thank
[5:00:28] you to ReMax for uh uh hosting us. I'm
[5:00:31] not sure I heard a final number on how
[5:00:32] many people they serve, but there were a
[5:00:34] lot of people in the park getting free
[5:00:35] pancakes. Um the on the 25th uh spent uh
[5:00:41] the day in legal deposition for the slow
[5:00:44] tribune uh court case, uh the youth
[5:00:48] sports council got uh rescheduled and
[5:00:50] finally um it was cancelled until next
[5:00:53] month. um 10 of the Royal Oaks Park
[5:00:56] ribbon cutting thanks to Venato for a
[5:00:58] great park. Um and uh the addition to uh
[5:01:02] the basketball court and uh football
[5:01:05] courts that will soon to be opened. Um
[5:01:10] I think I was going to ask for something
[5:01:12] to be agendaized, but I think we've
[5:01:14] already taken care of it. So that's my
[5:01:16] report.
[5:01:17] >> Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.
[5:01:19] » Okay. Thank you, Chris. Councilman Greg.
[5:01:20] >> Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to
[5:01:24] » Yeah. Um so um I met I got a chance to
[5:01:24] meet with um Mr. Hammond and John Bashon
[5:01:27] and our primary subject was about
[5:01:29] libraries and Helic I think you know
[5:01:32] what that's all about but uh he was uh I
[5:01:36] think John did a really good job on
[5:01:37] softening them up and see if we can fix
[5:01:39] that issue hopefully. Um and then also
[5:01:42] uh I chaired LAFCO um and uh we looked
[5:01:47] at a couple items for uh some
[5:01:50] annexations and it's pretty uneventful
[5:01:53] and um then uh the rest of the time I've
[5:01:56] been taking care of Auggie on the road
[5:01:59] in the water. So thank you and thank you
[5:02:02] for the fair board and what the fair
[5:02:04] does for our community and our staff
[5:02:06] tonight. Thank you for all your work.
[5:02:08] >> Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically
[5:02:13] » Okay. Thank you, Steve. Um I basically
[5:02:13] that we've been a few weeks since we've
[5:02:15] met. Um of course the fair happened. I
[5:02:17] did several presentations on behalf of
[5:02:18] the city on several different events
[5:02:21] there and um it was a great fair. I
[5:02:23] think very well done by Kolam Boragus
[5:02:25] and the board. Um they also had two um
[5:02:30] pastorals groundwater authority meetings
[5:02:33] uh in the past uh time that we've met.
[5:02:36] Uh the last one was last Friday and uh
[5:02:40] we were asked why we didn't have an
[5:02:42] agenda item on it because again it was
[5:02:44] uh not able to be noticed on tonight's
[5:02:46] meeting because of the time frame. I do
[5:02:49] uh have Christopher preparing
[5:02:51] Christopher Lac our water utility
[5:02:53] manager. Um going to be doing a full
[5:02:55] presentation this next meeting on that.
[5:02:58] In short, basically the um uh protest
[5:03:02] did uh accomplish the uh number of
[5:03:05] votes. We had a threshold of about 642
[5:03:08] out of the,85
[5:03:10] that I think we were noticed. Um the
[5:03:13] minimous users were not noticed. It was
[5:03:15] only the commercial users and of those
[5:03:17] they uh had a majority protest of about
[5:03:20] 680 the last I saw. So they did uh
[5:03:24] achieve the goal that we were not able
[5:03:26] to take action on the rate study that we
[5:03:28] had planned for the U JPA. So we'll be
[5:03:33] talking about that and how that might
[5:03:34] work. We have another meeting set up uh
[5:03:37] I think on the 18th or 17th of Monday is
[5:03:40] our next one coming up for the JPA just
[5:03:43] before our next meeting here. So that'll
[5:03:46] be more information that uh staff will
[5:03:49] be giving us a full report. um also
[5:03:52] attended the Oak Park uh park ribbon
[5:03:54] cutting out there. That was very well
[5:03:56] done. That tot lot that we had done many
[5:03:58] many years ago was completely revamped.
[5:04:00] I think we saw Councilman Bouch was
[5:04:03] there too and uh and Councilman Strong
[5:04:06] uh and actually Yeah, Be was there too.
[5:04:09] Yeah, very good. So, at any rate, great
[5:04:12] little tot
[5:04:16] while we were trying to do the ribbon
[5:04:17] cutting. That was amazing. Yeah, it's
[5:04:18] very well done.
[5:04:20] Uh, and that's about all I had. Um, I
[5:04:22] did want to ask Jonathan, our fire
[5:04:24] chief, are we do we have any staff down
[5:04:26] there at the Gford fire at all right
[5:04:28] now?
[5:04:29] >> Six.
[5:04:29] » Six.
[5:04:30] >> Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like
[5:04:32] » Six currently. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like
[5:04:32] it's a pretty tough one off of uh 166 in
[5:04:36] San Louis County. So, want to make sure
[5:04:38] they're all safe and that we're
[5:04:40] definitely helping out with the effort.
[5:04:41] So, thank you.
[5:04:44] >> Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we
[5:04:47] » Moving on to upcoming events. Um, we
[5:04:47] have coming Pastor Robels Youth
[5:04:49] Commission Advisory Committee meeting
[5:04:50] August 6th, 5:00. Pass Robels Senior
[5:04:54] Citizen Advisory Committee meeting
[5:04:55] August 11th at 1:30. Development review
[5:04:59] committee is going to be August 11th uh
[5:05:01] at 3:30.
[5:05:03] Pass Robels Parks and Recreation
[5:05:05] Advisory Committee meeting August 11th
[5:05:07] at 4 p.m. The Pass Robles Planning
[5:05:10] Commission will be meeting uh here in
[5:05:11] this room on August 12th at 6:30. We
[5:05:15] also are going to have a Niblick Road
[5:05:17] pedestrian and bike improvement plan
[5:05:19] open house here at 5:30 uh August 13th.
[5:05:24] Next one is going to be the library
[5:05:26] board of trustees August 14th at 9:00
[5:05:29] a.m. Again, DRC development review
[5:05:32] committee is going to be August 18th at
[5:05:33] 3:30. And then our next meeting is going
[5:05:36] to be here on August 19th. This a
[5:05:38] pastoral city council meeting at 6:00
[5:05:40] pm.
[5:05:42] So I don't think I have anything else
[5:05:44] unless anybody else has anything
[5:05:46] further. Go ahead and look for a motion
[5:05:48] to adjurnn. Move
[5:05:48] >> to adjourn.
[5:05:49] » to adjourn.
[5:05:49] >> Second.
[5:05:50] » Second.
[5:05:50] >> Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to
[5:05:52] » Motion by Gregory, second by Strong to
[5:05:52] adjurnn. All in favor?
[5:05:54] >> I.
[5:05:55] » I.
[5:05:55] >> We stand adjourned. Go.