1 00:00:05,300 --> 00:00:11,440 All right, good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Today is July the 2nd of 2025, and the time is now 1.20 p.m. 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,180 And we'll call this meeting back to order. And with that, I would ask Rhonda if you would do a roll call, please. 3 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:18,660 Commissioner Buck? 4 00:00:19,300 --> 00:00:19,520 Yeah. 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,460 Commissioner Schroeder? 6 00:00:20,900 --> 00:00:20,980 Here. 7 00:00:21,220 --> 00:00:21,900 Commissioner McDaniel? 8 00:00:22,380 --> 00:00:22,700 Here. 9 00:00:24,220 --> 00:00:31,440 Thank you. All right, the next item on this agenda is the approval of the agenda. 10 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:33,720 So I would ask for a motion to approve. 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,860 Yes, I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as presented. 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:38,660 All in favor, aye. 13 00:00:39,100 --> 00:00:39,360 Aye. 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Motion carries. 15 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,460 Next item is the land use hearings continuation of the June 24th, 2025 XO hearings for final 16 00:00:47,460 --> 00:00:51,680 board decision and at this time I'm going to turn this over to our county attorney 17 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:52,480 Lance Engels. 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,920 So we are here today because on the at the conclusion of the hearing that took place 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,560 Based on June 24, the board took an initial vote on how to treat the applications of Excel 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:12,240 Energy, one for a 1041 permit, excuse me, and one for a special use by review. 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:18,040 The board had voted initially to deny those applications, but also directed me to prepare 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,600 written findings of the basis for that denial based on the questions and testimony and 24 00:01:23,260 --> 00:01:25,500 issues you raised during your deliberations. 25 00:01:25,500 --> 00:01:34,020 So what you have had available to you for the last 24 hours or so is a draft of what those findings could look like. 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,440 I've tried to capture what you talked about at the meetings, the questions you had, the concerns you raised. 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,260 And I think with the help of staff, we've done a pretty good job of doing that. 28 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:46,460 I do have to offer you one red line from what was posted online. 29 00:01:46,740 --> 00:01:49,540 It's ministerial or clerical more than anything. 30 00:01:49,540 --> 00:01:55,500 It's just to make clear that it is clear from the findings, if you accept these as your own, 31 00:01:55,860 --> 00:02:00,940 that the findings are in a couple ways not the same as what staff had recommended. 32 00:02:01,380 --> 00:02:05,240 Based on the testimony that was presented to you and the presentations by the applicant, 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,240 you made a couple findings that were different. 34 00:02:07,660 --> 00:02:10,840 And just to bridge that gap, I added a paragraph to each of the resolutions, 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,220 and I'll read it out loud so it's available to everyone. 36 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:21,460 on. This would be paragraph M on page five of the draft SUR resolution and it reads now 37 00:02:21,460 --> 00:02:26,620 based on the evidence and testimony at the public hearing and significantly based on 38 00:02:26,620 --> 00:02:31,340 the presentation of the applicant, the board is knowingly making some findings herein 39 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:37,700 that are different from those findings recommended in the staff report. And then only on the 40 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:40,400 Yes, you are a resolution, it adds five additional words 41 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,540 to the next paragraph under section 3A for denial. 42 00:02:45,020 --> 00:02:47,200 It says, based on the findings herein, 43 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,520 those words were added. 44 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,080 So again, if these resolutions as drafted 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,040 and as amended meet your needs, 46 00:02:54,820 --> 00:02:57,000 then you may vote on the resolutions. 47 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,920 If these don't meet your needs in one or more ways, 48 00:02:59,980 --> 00:03:00,880 then let's talk through it, 49 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:02,240 because we're in your deliberations. 50 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,680 The same paragraph I just read to you 51 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,280 is paragraph S of the 1041 denial draft, 52 00:03:08,500 --> 00:03:10,260 and that is on page six of that draft, 53 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,920 but the language is verbatim, it's the same. 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,220 So if there's no questions on the draft, 55 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,640 I'll turn it back to you, commissioners, 56 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,340 to determine if these resolutions meet your needs 57 00:03:19,340 --> 00:03:20,560 and are consistent with your findings. 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,720 Thank you, sir. 59 00:03:21,940 --> 00:03:22,920 Commissioner Schroeder, any questions? 60 00:03:23,340 --> 00:03:24,700 I have no questions, very... 61 00:03:24,700 --> 00:03:25,620 Mr. Buck, any questions? 62 00:03:26,180 --> 00:03:27,320 No questions at this time. 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,400 Okay, with that, I'm entertaining a motion 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,140 to approve as amended. 65 00:03:33,940 --> 00:03:36,860 Item number one was Excel energy application 66 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:40,520 for major 1041 permit for site selection 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,980 and construction of a major public utility facility county. 68 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Project number 1041-2024-9235. 69 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,160 Is there a motion? 70 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,120 Yes, I'll make a motion approving the resolution 71 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 denying the public service company of Colorado 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:06,300 model DBA Excel energy application for a major 1041 permit for a site selection and construction 73 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:15,960 of a major public utility facility, project number 1041-2024-9235 with the noted changes. 74 00:04:16,460 --> 00:04:16,780 Second. 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,340 All in favor, aye. 76 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,180 Aye. 77 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Aye. 78 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:20,860 Motion carries. 79 00:04:21,780 --> 00:04:26,920 Next item is item number two, consideration of a resolution with the Board of County 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,480 commissioners denying an application for a special use by review for the public service 81 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:37,500 company of Colorado power pathway project project number s you are dash two zero two 82 00:04:37,500 --> 00:04:40,700 four dash nine two three six is there a motion. 83 00:04:41,540 --> 00:04:46,320 Mr. Chair I make a motion that we approve the resolution of the board of county commission 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,400 denying the application for a special use by review for the public service company 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:58,600 in Colorado Power Pathway Project, Project Number SUR2024-9236 with the changes noted 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,620 earlier by the attorney. 87 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:01,660 All right. 88 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:02,300 There's a motion. 89 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:02,880 Is there a second? 90 00:05:03,500 --> 00:05:03,800 Second. 91 00:05:04,340 --> 00:05:04,720 All in favor? 92 00:05:04,980 --> 00:05:05,220 Aye. 93 00:05:05,780 --> 00:05:06,000 Aye. 94 00:05:06,460 --> 00:05:07,220 Motion carries. 95 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,720 Now is there a motion to close this land use hearing? 96 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,440 Yes. 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,980 I'll make a motion that we close the land use hearing today. 98 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:18,400 Second. 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:19,420 All in favor? 100 00:05:19,580 --> 00:05:19,800 Aye. 101 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:22,280 Motion carries. 102 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,040 Thank you. 103 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,200 Next item on the agenda is the Executive Session. 104 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:35,260 We'll turn this over to our attorney. 105 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:38,240 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 106 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,900 One thing before I get to that, I've been asked this question several times, 107 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,640 so I'll tell you this on the record. 108 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,740 There's going to be requests for you to do interviews and other things 109 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:53,440 because of the status of this land use hearing and because you sat in the role of a judge. 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,720 This was a quasi-judicial matter where you served as the judge of the applications. 111 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,360 I don't recommend that you take media requests or interviews at this time. 112 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:06,500 We are now in the period for which the applicant could appeal this application. 113 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,160 That will last for 28 days. 114 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,540 It's unusual for a judge to be interviewed on a decision. 115 00:06:12,060 --> 00:06:15,760 So my advice to you, follow it or not, is not to do interviews at least 116 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,840 during the pendency of that 28-day appeal period. 117 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:18,980 Thank you, sir. 118 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:25,910 For the executive session, this was actually a session requested 119 00:06:25,910 --> 00:06:28,810 by the Board of County Commissioners on June 25th. 120 00:06:28,810 --> 00:06:33,830 There was discussion on whether the board wanted to put a stay on certain types of applications 121 00:06:33,830 --> 00:06:35,890 in the county and there was discussion on that. 122 00:06:36,090 --> 00:06:39,630 But there was nothing in front of the board and I was asked to look at the legal issues 123 00:06:39,630 --> 00:06:41,870 surrounding a decision like that. 124 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:47,050 So I am prepared today to have an executive session and start discussing the legal parameters 125 00:06:47,050 --> 00:06:52,170 of taking such an action and answering questions the board may have on those legal issues. 126 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:53,970 So this would be limited to legal advice. 127 00:06:53,970 --> 00:06:58,730 It would not be recorded as a result under 24 6402 section 4b 128 00:06:58,730 --> 00:07:04,370 But if you should move by a majority of the board to go into executive session, I am now requesting that 129 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:10,670 Is there a motion by the board to go into executive session? 130 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:17,740 Yes, I'll make a motion that we 131 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,480 Go into executive session at this time 132 00:07:21,700 --> 00:07:23,480 Is there a second no 133 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,240 second to motion? 134 00:07:30,770 --> 00:07:32,910 It's all in favor aye. I 135 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:39,230 Motion carries. Thank you. We're going to adjourn to the executive session. Thank you. 136 00:07:39,450 --> 00:07:44,390 And after the executive session, we'll come back here and close out the meeting, but I don't anticipate any decisions today. 137 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:45,830 We're just going to talk about legal parameters. 138 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:49,510 Right. Thank you. Thank you for being here today.