1 00:00:31,310 --> 00:00:41,370 Good morning, but call this meeting to order land division. Today is Wednesday, August 26th. It's shortly after 9 in welcome. 2 00:00:42,830 --> 00:00:47,390 Have a do we have any requests for deferral of application or any withdrawal? 3 00:00:49,330 --> 00:00:50,530 We have none, Mr. Chair. 4 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:52,910 Thank you. 5 00:00:53,290 --> 00:00:55,530 Our next item is adoption, our minutes. 6 00:00:55,530 --> 00:01:01,210 I'll ask our members if they had a chance to review them, or are there any errors or emissions? 7 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,240 I've moved to adopt. 8 00:01:07,570 --> 00:01:08,930 Moved in second. 9 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:10,870 Evan, you're calling the vote? 10 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:17,890 Moved by Bill Unger, seconded by Ian Fleck, resolved that the minutes of this meeting held on July 22nd, 11 00:01:17,930 --> 00:01:19,110 2026, be adopted. 12 00:01:19,770 --> 00:01:20,430 Do you go to Aldern? 13 00:01:21,210 --> 00:01:21,570 Yes. 14 00:01:24,010 --> 00:01:24,490 Yes. 15 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:26,230 John Andrews? 16 00:01:26,570 --> 00:01:26,850 Yes. 17 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:28,630 Tom Marks? 18 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:29,110 Yes. 19 00:01:29,690 --> 00:01:37,590 Bill Unger. Yes. Dave Jenkins. Yes. John Salvin. Yes. Seven zero that motion is carried. 20 00:01:38,670 --> 00:01:46,920 Thank you. I do not see a business horizon all the minutes. No one else. We move on. 21 00:01:47,820 --> 00:01:54,790 I will remind everyone of disclosure, peculiar interest in the general nature of their up. I can note 22 00:01:54,790 --> 00:02:01,020 there are none. Of course one. It's items for information. We have any. 23 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:04,520 Not seeing any. 24 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,600 No business arising from course on this. 25 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Your business? 26 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,540 We'll go 27 00:02:16,350 --> 00:02:17,010 ahead. 28 00:02:17,010 --> 00:02:17,890 Go ahead. 29 00:02:18,270 --> 00:02:18,450 You have a floor. 30 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:18,930 Welcome. 31 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:21,450 Thank you very much. 32 00:02:22,250 --> 00:02:25,610 Through the chair, I just wanted to update the committee. 33 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:31,250 And I'm sure you've seen the email come from Alicia last week. 34 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:38,050 There has been a change in direction from county council in relation to the land division committee. 35 00:02:39,870 --> 00:02:45,590 It's, and I realize it's not great news, but I'll just read the motion as it was presented. 36 00:02:46,490 --> 00:02:52,910 So on August 11th, 2021, county council met to review a recommendation put forth by Committee 37 00:02:52,910 --> 00:02:57,210 of the whole at the prior July committee of the whole and council meeting. 38 00:02:57,550 --> 00:03:01,790 The recommendation was to defer the decision on the recommendation provided in the Director 39 00:03:01,790 --> 00:03:04,570 of Planning's report related to the land division committee. 40 00:03:04,570 --> 00:03:19,750 However, that motion was defeated, and the resolution for the, I guess, dissolving the committee was voted in favor. 41 00:03:19,830 --> 00:03:30,670 It was a six to three vote, and the resolution is the following, so it's resolved that by law number 2162, 42 00:03:30,670 --> 00:03:35,250 which establishes is delegated approval authority of the Land of Vision Committee's repealed, 43 00:03:35,550 --> 00:03:41,190 effective November 30th, 2026, and that contentious land of vision applications be reviewed 44 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:46,310 by county council commencing December 1st, and that staff are hereby directed to prepare amendments 45 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:51,170 to the delegation authority by a law for planning and to give effect to the recommendation of the report. 46 00:03:52,290 --> 00:04:00,350 So this decision would mean that the Land of Vision Committee's last meeting would be on November 25th, 47 00:04:01,610 --> 00:04:15,270 And that, you know, moving forward, staff will be preparing a process by which we will be approving non-contentious applications using delegated authority. 48 00:04:15,630 --> 00:04:17,190 So no report, no presentation. 49 00:04:17,350 --> 00:04:23,450 If they meet the policies, if the local is happy with it, we'll move forward with the approval. 50 00:04:23,690 --> 00:04:29,090 And there is a list of things that obviously would have to qualify to be a non-contentious application. 51 00:04:29,090 --> 00:04:34,050 but I just wanted to update the committee on that. I know it's not what you want to hear, 52 00:04:34,330 --> 00:04:40,410 and I apologize for that. I still do think it's a good decision, and that it'll ultimately 53 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:47,050 save the applicant money, the county money, it'll save our department quite a bit of time. 54 00:04:47,690 --> 00:04:54,970 I know this committee has been around for very long time since the 70s, and this decision is 55 00:04:54,970 --> 00:05:02,350 slight to this committee. It was discussed many times how there is a lot of knowledge sitting around 56 00:05:02,350 --> 00:05:07,570 this table and that I still think the people around this table should be very proud to have 57 00:05:07,570 --> 00:05:14,210 served for the county and served on the committee and I wanted to thank the committee for all 58 00:05:14,210 --> 00:05:21,610 of their work. We still have a few meetings to go. There is still some business to take care of 59 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:32,870 And lastly, I guess I'll just say, on our last committee date, I'll make sure we bring in some treats so that we can have a small celebration of the committee's work. 60 00:05:33,110 --> 00:05:36,130 And if there's any questions, I'm happy to answer them. 61 00:05:36,590 --> 00:05:44,170 I have one question, Matt, can you confirm that we will meet until November? There's not a Lane Duck Council. 62 00:05:44,730 --> 00:05:50,310 I can confirm that we will continue to meet even if there is a lame dot council we can 63 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:53,190 continue with business as usual with the committee. 64 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:55,010 Thank you for that. 65 00:05:55,290 --> 00:06:03,530 I have been asked that rather than the discussion now would do the applications, it may be 66 00:06:03,530 --> 00:06:06,130 your business a time for discussion there. 67 00:06:06,370 --> 00:06:07,830 Will you be here for that? 68 00:06:07,970 --> 00:06:08,190 Yep. 69 00:06:09,170 --> 00:06:09,670 Thank you. 70 00:06:09,670 --> 00:06:10,910 Thank you for that. 71 00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:12,410 That's fine with everyone. 72 00:06:13,610 --> 00:06:13,810 All right. 73 00:06:13,850 --> 00:06:14,510 Thank you for that. 74 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:16,630 Matt will continue on with applications. 75 00:06:18,670 --> 00:06:22,010 First application is E1626. 76 00:06:24,530 --> 00:06:25,530 Tracy Blonabs. 77 00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:27,750 566230. 78 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:29,690 566232. 79 00:06:29,690 --> 00:06:30,590 Heritage line. 80 00:06:30,830 --> 00:06:32,670 This is Caldi of BAM. 81 00:06:36,470 --> 00:06:36,670 Welcome. 82 00:06:37,210 --> 00:06:38,070 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 83 00:06:38,230 --> 00:06:39,350 Through you to the committee. 84 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:46,130 report before you is for consent application E16-26. Planning staff recommend approval of consent 85 00:06:46,130 --> 00:06:52,570 application E16-26 subject to conditions. The purpose of the application is to create a new 86 00:06:52,570 --> 00:07:00,610 residential lot. The subject lands are municipally known as 56230256232 Heritage Line. Both 87 00:07:00,610 --> 00:07:07,610 the proposed retain and severed parcels will have a frontage of 10.26 meters, a depth of 40.4, 88 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:15,010 Sorry, 40.59 meters and an area of 415.25 meters squared to create one new residential lot. 89 00:07:15,910 --> 00:07:18,970 Each lot will hold one unit of the existing semi-detached dwelling. 90 00:07:19,830 --> 00:07:24,510 A privately owned and operated communal well and publicly owned and operated sanitary sewer system 91 00:07:24,510 --> 00:07:26,910 is proposed for both the severed and retained lands. 92 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:29,330 The application has been reviewed in the context. 93 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,360 Context of the Provincial Planning Statement, the Algan County Official Plan, and the Municipality of 94 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Beham and Official Plan, and in the zoning by law. Proposal supports residential intensification 95 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,500 within an established settlement area and is consistent with provincial planning statement, 96 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,420 the Algan County Official Plan, and the municipality of Beham Official Plan. 97 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Repose 7s represents an appropriate form of residential development that makes efficient use 98 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,720 of existing development and services. 99 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,700 The subject lands were also part of a minor variance application that was submitted concurrently 100 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:06,620 with the proposed consent application to prevent a reduced law area and increased 101 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:10,900 driveway frontage coverage, the driveway coverage maximum in response to the previous 102 00:08:10,900 --> 00:08:14,880 minor variance application of which has been granted approval by the municipality. 103 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,360 Thus, the proposed consent is consistent with the provincial planning statement, conforms 104 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,120 to both the county of Algan official plan and municipality of BAM official plan and meets 105 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,780 intent of the municipality of BAM's owning by law. 106 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,380 Planning staff recommends the support of consent application E-1626, which would facilitate 107 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:33,940 a new residential lot. 108 00:08:34,460 --> 00:08:39,100 As such, planning staff are the opinion that the application is acceptable from a planning perspective 109 00:08:39,660 --> 00:08:42,840 and again, recommend approval subject to the following conditions. 110 00:08:43,540 --> 00:08:48,820 The county of Elgin should receive a digital copy of the draft and final deposited reference 111 00:08:48,820 --> 00:08:49,480 plan. 112 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,340 solicitor undertaking to provide a copy of the registered deed for the severed parcel once 113 00:08:54,340 --> 00:08:59,840 completed, be provided to the county of Elgin. Municipal addressing be provided to the county of 114 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Elgin by the local municipality to the satisfaction of the county of Elgin. And additionally, 115 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:11,340 that the following conditions form the municipality of BAN be included as conditions of consent. 116 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,300 That the owner applies to and pays all fees to the municipality with respect to civic addressing 117 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:22,580 for the retain law that the owner obtains all necessary permits for the municipality for the 118 00:09:22,580 --> 00:09:26,640 installation of new municipal water and sanitary service connections to the proposed retain 119 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:32,000 law that the owner provide a deposit of reference plan prepared by an Ontario land surveyor 120 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,480 and copies of the registered transfer slash deed or electronic registration documentation 121 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:41,580 that a grading and drainage plan be submitted and approved to ensure proper drainage for both 122 00:09:41,580 --> 00:09:44,340 and retain lands to the satisfaction of the municipality 123 00:09:44,340 --> 00:09:46,500 that the owner provide confirmation 124 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:49,220 from the county of Oregon respecting road access, approval, 125 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,180 and or permitting requirements. 126 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,860 The cash in lieu of Parkland Education be paid in accordance with Section 51.1 127 00:09:56,860 --> 00:09:59,340 of the planning act to the satisfaction of the municipality 128 00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:01,480 and lastly that the owner receive approval 129 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,880 for a minor variance application to permit reduced minimum lot area 130 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,660 from 831 meters squared to 415.25 meters squared 131 00:10:09,660 --> 00:10:16,140 and to increase maximum driveway coverage from 68.5% to 73.1%. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 132 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:25,260 Thank you for that. Back to our applicants or agents and interested parties, which 133 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:29,520 to speak to this application, please introduce yourself to the committee and welcome. 134 00:10:31,020 --> 00:10:34,680 Good morning through you, Mr. Chair. My name is Tracy Peeler. I'm a land use planning consultant 135 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:41,220 on behalf of the applicant. The applicant has reviewed the staff report and have no objections to 136 00:10:41,220 --> 00:10:43,260 the conditions and support the staff recommendation. 137 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,560 Again, it's an existing semi-detached line. 138 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,960 The staff raises along the common wall, 139 00:10:48,260 --> 00:10:50,200 just so that each unit can be sold individually. 140 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:53,320 So happy to answer any questions at the appropriate time. 141 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:55,420 Thank you for that. 142 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:57,900 I'm going to open the floor for questions or comments 143 00:10:57,900 --> 00:10:59,080 from our board members. 144 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:01,460 We'll head John. 145 00:11:03,180 --> 00:11:06,600 Thank you, Mr. Chair, through you to Miss Pillian Abs. 146 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,260 This was originally going to be done in July, but the signage wasn't up, but you were 147 00:11:15,260 --> 00:11:17,200 getting a variance done for that as well. 148 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:18,760 Were you just looking to get that variance? 149 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,820 If I've got that correct done first before you were seeking to get the actual consent done. 150 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,860 A 3D Mr. Chair, yes, I do confirm that the minor variance application has been submitted 151 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:36,260 to the lower tier and has been approved in the appeal period is now over signage was missed 152 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,480 during the land division notification, 153 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,080 but it has now been posted according to the planning act 154 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:42,580 regulations. 155 00:11:43,020 --> 00:11:44,980 So we are in compliance with the notifications. 156 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,280 So we're ready to move forward. 157 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:49,140 Thank you. 158 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,220 I wasn't concerned that they hadn't been done correctly this time. 159 00:11:53,540 --> 00:11:56,220 And in fact, your client put them up where they were clear 160 00:11:56,220 --> 00:11:58,680 and easy to see, which is greatly appreciated. 161 00:11:59,140 --> 00:11:59,900 Thank you 162 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:03,200 for the comments. 163 00:12:06,180 --> 00:12:08,460 It's been moved in seconded. 164 00:12:08,460 --> 00:12:10,420 Evan, please call the vote. 165 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,260 Move by John Andrews, seconded by Ian Fleck, 166 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,300 resolve that 7th application E1626, 167 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,220 be approved subject to conditions. 168 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:19,940 Do you hold Alder? 169 00:12:21,140 --> 00:12:21,560 John Selden? 170 00:12:22,340 --> 00:12:22,560 Yes. 171 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,020 Yes. 172 00:12:27,860 --> 00:12:28,340 Bill Unger. 173 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:29,220 Yes. 174 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:30,760 Dave Jenkins. 175 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:31,920 Yes. 176 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,180 Ian Fleck. 177 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:33,740 Yes. 178 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:35,660 7-0, that motion is carried. 179 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,120 Thank you, Evan. 180 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:39,360 The decisioner under today 181 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:45,080 If this application would be circulated within 15 days, there's a 20-day appeal period from 182 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:50,100 the giving of the notice of decision during which the applicant, the minister, the specified 183 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:54,480 person or any public body may appeal the decision or any condition imposed. 184 00:12:55,860 --> 00:13:01,200 If no appeals received within 20 days of the giving of notice, the provisional consent becomes 185 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:01,660 final. 186 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,220 The applicant has two years to meet the conditions imposed and submit the necessary documents 187 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:12,460 for certification or the consent will lapse and the new application will be required. 188 00:13:13,540 --> 00:13:18,240 Please leave the identification signs in place until the appeal period ends after which they 189 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:24,480 can be removed. If you'd like to be notified of today's decision, please request a copy by email 190 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:30,820 in landivisionadelgon.ca. A copy of the comment package is also available upon request 191 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:34,820 and includes all correspondence received. Thank you. 192 00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:40,740 Move on to our next application E4826. 193 00:13:41,540 --> 00:13:42,460 John, who's developed? 194 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:44,760 9, 6, 1, 3, Curry Road, 195 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:47,020 Ms. Peldey of Dutton Dunnwich. 196 00:13:47,420 --> 00:13:47,840 Evan, please. 197 00:13:48,780 --> 00:13:49,560 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 198 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,060 Through you to the committee's staff recommend approval 199 00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:55,480 of consent application E4826, subject to conditions. 200 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:00,580 The application proposes to sever the property at 201 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:05,880 three-curry road to create a new residential lot of approximately 1,33 square meters while retaining 202 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:11,680 a residential lot of approximately 1,032.8 square meters. Both lots are intended for low-density 203 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:15,800 residential development. The lots will be serviced by municipal water supply and private 204 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,180 sewage supply. The property is located within the wall's town tier two settlement area. 205 00:14:20,660 --> 00:14:24,280 It is designated a Hamlet under Ms. Faldi official plan and is known Hamlet residential. 206 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,040 The proposed severed supports residential intensification within the existing settlement area 207 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,440 and is consistent with the provincial planning statement, 208 00:14:32,860 --> 00:14:35,880 the Algonquin County Official Plan, and Mr. Pauli's Official Plan. 209 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,820 The proposed routine parcel complies with all provisions of the HR zone. 210 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,280 The sever lands comply with all required setbacks 211 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,360 with the exception of the three-meter setback from an enclosed train 212 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,220 which is addressed as a condition of consent. 213 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,940 The municipality have done which recommends approval subject to conditions. 214 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,440 County Engineering requires direct connection to a legal outlet 215 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,540 for the severed law and requires a lot-grading plan for the severed law. 216 00:14:58,540 --> 00:14:59,960 with that. 217 00:15:00,050 --> 00:15:05,690 Planning staff recommends supportive consent application E4826, which would facilitate the 7th 218 00:15:05,690 --> 00:15:09,910 Secureate a New Residential Lot. The application is consistent with the PPS, conforms the 219 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:14,270 County of Elagon official plan, municipality of Dunn, Dunn, official plan policies, and meets 220 00:15:14,270 --> 00:15:18,710 the intent of the municipality of Dunn, Dunn, which is owning by law. As such, planning staff are 221 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:22,690 of the opinion that the application is acceptable from a planning perspective and recommends 222 00:15:22,690 --> 00:15:27,050 approval subject to the following conditions. One, the County of Elagon should receive 223 00:15:27,050 --> 00:15:29,730 with a digital copy of the draft and found deposit reference plan. 224 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,970 Two, solicitor undertaking to provide a copy of the register 225 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:35,330 deed for the severed parcel once completed 226 00:15:35,330 --> 00:15:36,850 be provided to the county of Elgin. 227 00:15:37,570 --> 00:15:39,410 Three, that municipal address and be provided 228 00:15:39,410 --> 00:15:41,690 to the county of Elgin by the local municipality 229 00:15:42,130 --> 00:15:43,450 to the satisfaction of the county. 230 00:15:44,590 --> 00:15:46,670 Four, direct connection to a legal outlet 231 00:15:46,670 --> 00:15:48,070 for the severed lot is required. 232 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:51,350 If an existing condition connection is unavailable 233 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:53,130 to the satisfaction of the county engineer, 234 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:55,970 all costs be borne by the owner, discharge of water 235 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:57,650 So the county road allowance is prohibited. 236 00:15:58,810 --> 00:16:01,310 Five law-creating plan is required for the severed law. 237 00:16:02,050 --> 00:16:02,810 And three of you, Mr. Chair, 238 00:16:02,810 --> 00:16:04,910 would like to introduce a verbal amendment to add a condition 239 00:16:04,910 --> 00:16:06,550 number six to the county conditions. 240 00:16:07,230 --> 00:16:09,350 This condition states that if necessary, 241 00:16:09,630 --> 00:16:12,210 an entrance permit be obtained from Elgin County 242 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:14,950 for the new entrance for the severed in or retain personal. 243 00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:17,370 All costs with this shall be borne by the owner. 244 00:16:18,370 --> 00:16:20,370 And additionally, that the following conditions in this appele 245 00:16:20,370 --> 00:16:22,930 have done which be included as conditions of consent. 246 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:28,090 One, that the owner must pay all fees, including cash in the parkland and satisfy all 247 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:32,090 obligations required, pursuant to the dueling acted by laws of the misallity of 248 00:16:32,090 --> 00:16:34,430 Dunnewetch to the satisfaction of the municipality. 249 00:16:35,490 --> 00:16:38,970 Two, that the owner shall submit an engineered stamped grading and stormwater management 250 00:16:38,970 --> 00:16:43,030 plan for the severed parcel to the satisfaction of the misallity, 251 00:16:43,330 --> 00:16:51,730 demonstrating that the proposed law grading and training patterns will be a 252 00:16:51,730 --> 00:16:57,370 of the street. The plan shall include the approved fill-based septic system design, and shall 253 00:16:57,370 --> 00:17:01,710 be submitted as part of the building permit process. Three, that the owner applies in 254 00:17:01,710 --> 00:17:06,330 pays all fees to the municipality to respect a civic addressing slash signage for the 255 00:17:06,330 --> 00:17:10,590 severed lot. Four, that the owner shall obtain written confirmation from the municipal 256 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:14,870 building department that the proposed fill-based septic systems are suitable for the intended 257 00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:19,670 use, comply with all required septic from the property lines and structures, and are accurately 258 00:17:19,670 --> 00:17:22,370 shown in the reference plan to the satisfaction of the municipality. 259 00:17:23,450 --> 00:17:28,250 Five that the owner have a drainage re-appointment of the wall of strain, wall of street 260 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:32,630 drain, and the color drain pursuant to the drainage act to the satisfaction and clearance 261 00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:33,290 of the municipality. 262 00:17:34,350 --> 00:17:38,530 Six that the owner shall demonstrate a minimum setback of three meters from the center line 263 00:17:38,530 --> 00:17:43,530 of the enclosed municipal drain to all permanent buildings and structures, either through 264 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:47,990 the submission of a revised drawing or relocation of the enclosed municipal drain in accordance 265 00:17:47,990 --> 00:17:52,770 with the municipal requirements to the satisfaction of the municipality, all costs be borne by the owner. 266 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:58,710 7 that the proposed severed parcel will be individually connected to the municipal water supply with all costs, 267 00:17:58,890 --> 00:18:04,270 including applicable fees and charges to be borne by the owner, to the satisfaction of the municipality. 268 00:18:04,990 --> 00:18:05,730 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 269 00:18:06,810 --> 00:18:07,470 Thank you, Evan. 270 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:12,410 Applicants are agents in address and parties who wish to speak this application. 271 00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:16,530 We see to introduce yourself to the committee and welcome 272 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,920 here for the applicant, 273 00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:33,740 volume on. 274 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:41,440 Yeah, hello, sorry. I believe John's trying to connect to say something. 275 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,220 We will give him a minute. 276 00:18:45,180 --> 00:18:45,500 Yeah. 277 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:49,400 Hope that didn't sound like a threat. 278 00:18:50,780 --> 00:18:51,260 Yeah. 279 00:18:51,260 --> 00:18:52,400 Some way. 280 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,780 Oh, God, I stuck in a mean that question. 281 00:19:01,130 --> 00:19:05,450 I struggle with tech colleges, actually simple things. 282 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:12,010 Yeah, it's okay. 283 00:19:12,190 --> 00:19:12,990 I'm hearing you 284 00:19:20,510 --> 00:19:20,570 dead. 285 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:22,030 Oh, well now. 286 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:23,610 Very good. 287 00:19:23,610 --> 00:19:24,130 Very good. 288 00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:24,770 Welcome, sir. 289 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:25,870 Yeah. 290 00:19:27,030 --> 00:19:29,990 My name is Yolk Ostevelt's president of Ostevelt construction. 291 00:19:30,370 --> 00:19:33,290 And we already have a good for this severance. 292 00:19:34,890 --> 00:19:48,530 And we would agree with all the conditions that have been stipulated by the planning department, both from Elegant County, and in regards to the Suits from Dutton, done with Stownship. 293 00:19:50,290 --> 00:20:14,010 We're aware of the drainage requirements and we're aware of the kilo grain we have been in contact with the engineering firm that is doing the work on the kilo grain and we've been in contact with the drainage inspector concerning the relocation of that grain to the edge of the property. 294 00:20:14,010 --> 00:20:27,190 So, it would be more feasible to construct both a single-family dwelling and a septic system that would adhere to the clears of the student killer brain. 295 00:20:29,730 --> 00:20:30,310 Thank you for that. 296 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:33,370 I'm going to open the fourth to our committee members. 297 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:35,070 If they have any questions or comments, 298 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,320 go ahead John. 299 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,060 Thank you Mr. Chair through you to our director. 300 00:20:44,580 --> 00:20:53,120 I believe this is the first consent application that includes an Elgon County record of consultation 301 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:54,060 and sector act. 302 00:20:57,190 --> 00:21:04,070 Through the chair, I'm not certain, to be honest, there could be other applications that have included pre-consultation. 303 00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:07,730 Well, I thank you for that. 304 00:21:08,290 --> 00:21:12,190 To my memory anyway, I think it's the first time I've seen it in application. 305 00:21:12,190 --> 00:21:18,530 I thought it was a very interesting summary, and I think it was a bonus to the application. 306 00:21:19,690 --> 00:21:25,090 Thanks. In, that has happened before on county roads. 307 00:21:32,670 --> 00:21:36,390 When we have a problem with if there's a 308 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:42,530 drain in the Son of County Road, it's dealt with by the county before the application is approved. 309 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:48,690 Did you find it a good thing in this application or a helpful thing? 310 00:21:48,910 --> 00:21:50,090 I thought it was. 311 00:21:51,850 --> 00:21:54,590 Well, as far as I know, and done, done, which has always been done. 312 00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:58,940 I'm sorry. 313 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:00,040 I don't mean to belabor the point. 314 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,080 I just don't remember seeing that report form in an application consent before. 315 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:13,460 Through you, Mr. Chair, I would say about 70% of applications go through the pre-consultation 316 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:13,980 process. 317 00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:17,120 It's not a requirement under the planning act that they have to go through the pre-con any 318 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:23,580 more. I believe the applicant just included it as part of their submission, documentation 319 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:28,360 with the application, so that's why I was included in the agenda. But that's something we 320 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,980 could look for in the future. 321 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:44,200 I'm sure to make that a requirement to include the application that if they went through a pre-con that they include those notes with the application, because like you said, it is helpful to get a better understanding of where they came to with the application and the proposal. 322 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,940 Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised. 323 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,160 Yes, I was pleasantly surprised. Sorry, my mic was not. 324 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,660 for the comments. 325 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,140 Move to accept. 326 00:22:59,140 --> 00:23:00,780 Move to move to second. 327 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:01,980 Please go. 328 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,340 Move by Bill Unger, seconded by Dave Jenkins. 329 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,880 Resolve that severance application. 330 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,400 E4826 be approved. 331 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:10,540 Subject to conditions. 332 00:23:11,460 --> 00:23:12,220 Do we go all day? 333 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:12,740 Yeah. 334 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:13,780 John Selbin. 335 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:15,100 Yes. 336 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:16,220 John Unger. 337 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:16,560 Yes. 338 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,240 Tom Marks. 339 00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:20,760 Bill Unger. 340 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:21,640 Yes. 341 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:23,640 Yes. 342 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:24,920 Ian Falk. 343 00:23:25,460 --> 00:23:25,580 Yes. 344 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:26,800 7-0. 345 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:27,560 That motion is carried. 346 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:28,700 Thank you. 347 00:23:29,900 --> 00:23:34,340 The decision rendered today for this application will be circulated within 15 days. 348 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:46,140 There's a 20-day appeal period from the giving of the notice of decision during which the applicant, the minister, a specified person, or any public body, may appeal the decision or any condition imposed. 349 00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:52,360 If no appeal is received within 20 days of the giving of notice, the provincial consent becomes 350 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:52,820 final. 351 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,300 The applicant has two years to meet the conditions imposed, and submit the necessary documents 352 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:03,440 for certification for the consent or lapse, and a new application will be required. 353 00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:09,400 Please leave the identification signs in place until the appeal period ends, after which 354 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,300 they can be removed. 355 00:24:10,300 --> 00:24:16,360 And if you'd like to be notified of today's decision, please request a copy by emailing 356 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:20,940 landdivision at elgin.ca, copy of the comment packages. 357 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:25,620 It's also available upon request and includes all correspondence received. 358 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:26,940 Thank you. 359 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:29,700 All right. 360 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:33,480 Thank you. 361 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:34,380 You're welcome. 362 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,460 Have a good day. 363 00:24:37,460 --> 00:24:37,700 Yep. 364 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:38,780 Have a good meeting. 365 00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:40,500 Thank you. 366 00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:41,240 Have a good day. 367 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,500 The next owner, date of her next meeting, is everyone. 368 00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,440 Through Mr. Chair, date of the next meeting is September 23rd, 2026. 369 00:24:58,020 --> 00:25:05,260 I guess we'll open the floor now for some new business and that there's any comments. 370 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,000 Matt is here to answer any questions. 371 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,200 Maybe I'll start off. 372 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,140 I think let's keep our comments respectful and I trust that will happen. 373 00:25:23,300 --> 00:25:29,380 I will note that there's nothing self-serving from any of these members, there's five 374 00:25:29,380 --> 00:25:32,900 of them at the time doubt, so it's not like they're looking for a job next year, because 375 00:25:32,900 --> 00:25:39,380 I'm not going to happen anyways, so I have to admit I was pretty disappointed in the 376 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,460 and I'll be quite right now and invite anyone for any comments. 377 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,240 John, you're up first. 378 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,340 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 379 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:59,420 I appreciate you being here, Mr. Director, and to my fellow colleagues. 380 00:25:59,420 --> 00:26:08,540 I guess I feel that this is eight years for four or five of us, four years for the others. 381 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:19,240 And I just, Mr. Director, I feel like we were excluded from what was happening to the committee that we dedicated ourselves to. 382 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,320 And I don't quite understand why we weren't involved. 383 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,720 And also, at the end of eight years and four years for some of us, at least for me, I'm feeling 384 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,920 like we're leaving under a shadow that we were inefficient because apparently we've slowed 385 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,780 up the process, which I don't see, and we're too expensive. 386 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:48,580 I don't think either of those arguments have been made in detail, but regardless, as far 387 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:55,440 As I can see between the Elmer Express and the public of large, we're this slow, financially 388 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,960 overburdened committee that need it to be gotten rid of. 389 00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:04,260 It's a hard way for us to end our time on the committee. 390 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,760 Anyway, I struggle with it. 391 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:14,540 Coming here, I hope each month is fantastic and the work that we put in, I think has made 392 00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:21,680 big difference, particularly for, and you refer to it as a gap, that 2% and one of your presentations 393 00:27:22,420 --> 00:27:31,620 arguing for your case, that 2% is addressed by the incredible local knowledge of the people 394 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:37,880 here around this table, and what I call the lifers, and that's all gone. And it's gone under 395 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:46,860 shadow of, we're too expensive and we're sold. I just, I feel like, we were shot down, 396 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:54,840 and we weren't part of the process. If you're going to change just at least let us defend ourselves 397 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,800 or contribute to the change you needed to make it better, that you feel could make it better. 398 00:28:01,020 --> 00:28:06,220 It's just a hard way for the LDC to end for me. Anyway, that's my two cents worth. 399 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,860 Bill, you're up next. 400 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:16,860 I just wanted to make a few comments, knowing the history and everything else, I probably 401 00:28:16,860 --> 00:28:23,300 served on this committee now for the last four years, but I remember back when just started 402 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,960 in the mid 70s, why the land division committee was started or back then, it was called 403 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:37,760 severance board, and that was to create transparency, that not, and this is no offense, Mr. 404 00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:43,460 Director, that's creating transparency and to take it away from the hands of the municipality 405 00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:55,380 or the county, because back in the early 70s, when I was a teenager, it didn't matter what 406 00:28:55,380 --> 00:29:00,240 It's true you know on county who you knew on council that you could get your severance time 407 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:07,040 I'm been proud to serve this committee for the last four years and I'm extremely disappointed in the decision that has been made 408 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,120 Thank you for your time, everyone 409 00:29:10,100 --> 00:29:10,580 I 410 00:29:10,580 --> 00:29:12,820 Just the time in here quickly 411 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:17,400 I wish I was a teenager in the 70s but I I remember them 412 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,200 Yeah 413 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,400 In the arm of it used to be, if you wanted a severance, you didn't have to be a conservative 414 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,160 and a stranger, but it's sure helped. 415 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,220 That has been repeated many, many times, and there's a lot of truth in it. 416 00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:43,890 I agree with what both John and Bill have said so far, you know, we got committee here that's 417 00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:46,070 been here, who we're half to been here for eight years. 418 00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:50,290 I think we're a committee that's very adapt at what we're dealing with. 419 00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:55,170 I don't know all of members of County Council, but for the most part, I think there are 420 00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:58,990 people that could be considered quite adequate for the decisions they've made. 421 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:24,340 I really wonder how I got to it. As far as staff goes, I'm not pointing any fingers at staff. I feel you're all doing your job. You know, the point is made that we're in a adequate and we're costing money. I look back eight years ago when I was on this committee, we had seven members just like we do today. We were probably doing 10 to 15 applications a month at that time. 422 00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:29,980 lately we've from probably I'd say averaging five to seven a month. 423 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,100 Application is at that time I may be slightly wrong in these numbers but I 424 00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:37,360 think application eight years ago will cost twelve hundred dollars for an 425 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,480 applicant to apply. I read in here done one of these applications I believe it's 426 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:47,780 twenty six hundred and seventy five dollars today for an application. Seven years 427 00:30:47,780 --> 00:30:53,140 ago I think we have got one raise as land division committee members in that 428 00:30:53,140 --> 00:31:00,540 time of $25. I think I might be wrong. I don't think our mileage per DM has went up in those 429 00:31:00,540 --> 00:31:03,740 eight years. I think we're getting the same plumbers we were then. 430 00:31:06,050 --> 00:31:07,310 We've done it when we started 431 00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:13,710 on paper. Now we have computers, which for the most part almost every meeting we have to have 432 00:31:13,710 --> 00:31:18,590 somebody from IT in here to work on our computers. So there's an added cost that wasn't there 433 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:26,350 eight years ago. Eight years ago, we had one member of the county in this room at the meetings. 434 00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:35,650 Today, we have, well, five in here. For the argument to be made, like, for county council 435 00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:40,850 and make a decision, I figured either had to have been a pre-determined decision or they weren't 436 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:45,710 giving all the facts because if all those facts were there, I don't know how they could come up with 437 00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:51,830 inclusion that this committee has been inefficient and a cost burden to the county. 438 00:31:55,290 --> 00:32:01,290 One thing I'm going to ask staff today, I've been my intention to invite the mayor's to our last meeting. 439 00:32:01,530 --> 00:32:04,730 That's why I want to clarify if we go up to the full terms. 440 00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:09,290 If I could request staff to invite the mayor's to our last meeting, 441 00:32:10,350 --> 00:32:12,950 do I have a consensus of that? That's a good idea. 442 00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:15,430 I'm sure they want to come in and... 443 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,860 Continue to the discussions for the comments, John. 444 00:32:26,300 --> 00:32:32,480 Just the same questions that were brought up previously, and when we started, and one thing 445 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,860 that really bugged me, I read the Almyr paper last week, and the same thing, we're cost-prepared 446 00:32:38,860 --> 00:32:39,420 of it. 447 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:44,180 And the South-Old Mayor made the statement that he had just got a severance, and it took 448 00:32:44,180 --> 00:32:44,980 longer than normal. 449 00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:51,720 Well, what is it? 90 days or 120 days? It has to be acted on. I'm not sure the number. 450 00:32:55,810 --> 00:33:00,350 But it doesn't matter whatever it is. So when we get them here, we do them today. 451 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:07,390 But a staff happened for 60 days, 90 days. It looks like we're inefficient. 452 00:33:08,170 --> 00:33:16,250 And I'm not blaming staff at all, but I think that the mayor's need to know that made the decision to get rid of this committee 453 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:27,170 That this committee is not the whole problem and I found that really when a self-sled mayor made a statement that we were longer and then I also hear that that done which 454 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:32,010 Mayor he was going around and he had a 455 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:40,630 A person call me that was getting some severances and I thought that was why would he do that if he's got a job like that 456 00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:44,710 He doesn't need to be getting somebody to call me to complain about the board 457 00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:48,410 like he's there to make decisions that are supposed to work. 458 00:33:49,170 --> 00:33:54,630 So I found a problem with that and I guess my other question is if I buy a bottle of wine 459 00:33:54,630 --> 00:34:01,270 from map, I don't like it, or I buy some vegetables from Malaysia, is that, and I badmoth 460 00:34:01,270 --> 00:34:08,570 him, is that going to hurt me when I want something done in the next previous months or years? 461 00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:14,630 So who is, who, is there going to be just two or three people that make that decision? 462 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:18,050 And if they don't like John Andrews, is he got a problem? 463 00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:22,510 Like, that part I find, I'd like to know how that's going to work. 464 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:29,730 Like I said, the question to Matt, like, is who, who do I, we just go to OMB and fight about it? 465 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:35,870 Or do we, is there a, appear, you know, something that we can talk about? 466 00:34:36,770 --> 00:34:41,590 I appreciate it. John made the statement that stuff just started because then all we met 467 00:34:41,590 --> 00:34:47,370 like two or three months ago, I'm one of our projects and I appreciate that. I mean, it was, 468 00:34:47,390 --> 00:34:57,410 I know it's really after you're just so eating, but it's that there needs to be something in place that is visible, 469 00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:01,790 and I can feel content that somebody's looking after me. 470 00:35:01,790 --> 00:35:05,310 So, and I don't, I'm not maybe asking for an answer today, 471 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:07,370 but I think that's something that really needs to happen. 472 00:35:08,730 --> 00:35:12,770 And we, myself, we have done quite a few in the last few years 473 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:17,730 and I've been well pleased, like I think the statement 474 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:18,650 was made about staff. 475 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:20,050 I don't have problems with staff. 476 00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:24,010 I just think we need to move ahead. 477 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:25,130 Let's do it right. 478 00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:29,570 Go ahead. 479 00:35:29,790 --> 00:35:32,370 No, through the chair, I, you know, 480 00:35:32,370 --> 00:35:35,410 Transparency is an important thing, especially in government. 481 00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:41,250 The way the system is going to be set up is going to be very transparent. 482 00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:44,350 If you meet the policies, so that we have a list of criteria. 483 00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:51,450 So if you're consistent with PPS, if you can form with the official plan for the most part, 484 00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:54,970 if you comply with zoning, and there's even some wiggle room there. 485 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:57,030 Let's say you don't comply with zoning. 486 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:59,310 Let's say there's a setback issue or something like that. 487 00:35:59,310 --> 00:36:05,890 Like, you know, as long as it's a standard zoning requirement or a minor variance or something like that, 488 00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:09,630 and then there's some other qualifiers at the local level as well. 489 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:14,550 So if local council has no concerns, if there are no concerns from the public or your neighbors, 490 00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:17,650 like there is a long list of things that make this non-contentious. 491 00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:23,430 So if you can make all of those checkboxes, then it's non-contentious. 492 00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:26,790 And then it just goes, it's basically an automatic approval. 493 00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:35,850 There is no, at the staff level, if there is no, if somebody likes you, they don't, it's just an automatic approval. 494 00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:38,970 The nice thing is, there's no report, there's no presentation. 495 00:36:39,630 --> 00:36:44,810 We'll basically have a check box, a sheet, that we will double check that it's non-contentious. 496 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:48,290 And then if it is, of course, there are still statutory requirements. 497 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:52,330 We'll have to go through the notice period and there'll be circulations and all the rest of it to the neighbors. 498 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:53,730 None of that changes. 499 00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:58,990 the planning act is very specific and rigid about all of those types of requirements. 500 00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:05,290 It will be an easier process for the applicants. 501 00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:12,970 It's just making sure that the local municipality is happy and then when it comes up to the county, 502 00:37:14,050 --> 00:37:16,030 the approval process can be quite simple. 503 00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:20,070 Now, if it doesn't meet all of those checkboxes, then it just goes to county council. 504 00:37:20,070 --> 00:37:28,670 staff have nothing to do with that point. We continue to write a report. We make a presentation and then county counselors will make that ultimate decision. 505 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:35,440 So, so it's really it's policy driven or it's the decisions being made by county council. 506 00:37:36,340 --> 00:37:43,020 It's not a, you know, how to somebody feel that day, it's very rigid in how this will get set up. 507 00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:49,340 So, and of course, we're going to continue to offer pre-consultation for anyone coming in for consent applications. 508 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:55,760 And, you know, we strongly suggested especially where if you're not 100% sure if the application meets the policies. 509 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:03,980 We're here to help you through that and if it doesn't, we'll try to find a way to help you 510 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:05,800 change your application so it does. 511 00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:17,890 I think that's really important and I think that we need to. 512 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:26,710 We've been here eight years and some of us and it worked but I think we need to think positive. 513 00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:29,590 and we had to, I don't think we need to. 514 00:38:29,850 --> 00:38:31,370 Be a little or feel on this. 515 00:38:31,410 --> 00:38:32,470 What's going to happen? 516 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:35,040 Thank you. 517 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:37,640 Go ahead, Ian. 518 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,900 And so I think I agree with some of the, 519 00:38:40,900 --> 00:38:42,680 what has come on, but I think that times 520 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,420 we have had problems in municipalities, 521 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,660 not getting back to us for a while. 522 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,180 And I know when Paul was here, we had a couple in Dutton, Dunwich. 523 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,060 Because of waterline problems, water had to come across 524 00:38:56,060 --> 00:39:02,280 an easement of one farm that was owned by somebody else because the water wasn't on that 525 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,700 road. And other reasons that it took longer than what it is. And I think we're going to 526 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:13,820 see that again because some of the roads in our area we don't have the water line as to come off 527 00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:19,300 a side road and you've got to work easements back and forth and we have seen that. And I think 528 00:39:19,300 --> 00:39:26,420 people who got to realize that it takes time and municipalities sometimes it takes a month 529 00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:31,660 to get a proper, or longer to get a proper, something approved by them before it can come 530 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:37,700 to us. And it's going to get more. That's all I have to say right now. It does, there is 531 00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,470 a delay at times. Go ahead, Dave. 532 00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:49,630 I remember a number of years ago when we were facing a severance across the road from our 533 00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:56,570 very barns. And I had a chat at that time with dunked Mcsale, the late dunked Mcsale. 534 00:39:57,270 --> 00:40:05,310 And there was one thing that dunked who was on land division at that time did say to me. 535 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:16,390 And it stuck with me even when I was appointed to this board, that the land division board is a quasi judicial board. 536 00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:24,970 And when I've had people come to me and say we want to do this and can you take care of it? 537 00:40:25,170 --> 00:40:29,910 And I said, no, you have to go to your township and go that road. 538 00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:33,190 I can't deal with it until it comes to the meeting. 539 00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:36,850 And I've never forgotten that. 540 00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:43,770 And we're not at the stage as members of this board where we are lobbied. 541 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:54,130 Whereas, I think members of Council and Mayor's will be lobbied, and when I look at some 542 00:40:54,130 --> 00:41:03,710 of the things where we were told have been told by the staff that we should approve 543 00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:10,230 a certain way, and we had more history given to us on a property, like the one in West 544 00:41:11,650 --> 00:41:24,990 that you get told us about, and there are other ones where it made sense for the decision that we made as this board was the proper decision. 545 00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:33,910 And I think the fact that all of us sitting around this seven committee members know the properties, 546 00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:42,890 know the areas and I know in my own situation anything that comes up with malahide 547 00:41:42,890 --> 00:41:50,590 and once in a while I sneak across the line into BM and into Central Elgin to look at 548 00:41:50,590 --> 00:42:00,890 those properties so that I understand them better and I think that's key and I know 549 00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:08,730 even that you've had to drive around and look and I know that Paul did as well, but the 550 00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:17,790 simple fact of the matter is you're dealing with a quote, don't make fail again, a quasi-judicial 551 00:42:17,790 --> 00:42:29,330 board. And I take that very seriously. One of the first severances that was going on was with 552 00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:39,010 second cousins of mine and I simply left the room. I wanted to maintain the integrity of the 553 00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:48,610 board. And that's key to me. It's three generations or more of my family who practice that. 554 00:42:49,550 --> 00:43:00,220 From my father, my grandfather, and I practice it as well. And it concerns me that we're 555 00:43:00,220 --> 00:43:05,940 losing people who know areas with this board being terminated. 556 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,820 Thank you. 557 00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:13,250 Matt, members, there's me right. 558 00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:20,730 If this vote hadn't happened, it was your intention to come today to give a report. 559 00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:21,970 Was that correct? 560 00:43:24,330 --> 00:43:31,050 Yep, through the chair to committee, if the decision had been deferred to the first meeting 561 00:43:31,050 --> 00:43:37,130 of the next term of council, the plan was to amend the terms of reference of the committee. 562 00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:43,950 This committee actually doesn't have a terms of reference, somehow, but we would create 563 00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:45,710 a terms of reference for the committee. 564 00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:49,150 Could you share that expand on that? 565 00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:51,310 It's kind of a move point now. 566 00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:57,850 It's a move point now, but all it would do is basically explain how the committee runs, when 567 00:43:57,850 --> 00:44:05,230 meetings are, you would talk about, you know, compensation, all of those kinds of things. 568 00:44:05,970 --> 00:44:10,370 What would happen when it would be like a procedure manual for the committee. 569 00:44:11,410 --> 00:44:17,270 We just, we like manuals, we like processes and planning and committees, surprisingly, 570 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:22,510 never had a terms of reference, so it was time to create one if the committee was to stay 571 00:44:22,510 --> 00:44:22,830 around. 572 00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:30,470 That's quite an astounding statement after 50 some years, some of them woke up and found out 573 00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:34,630 we didn't have the term of reference, and that is no fault of yours, but that is a 574 00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,250 pretty astounding statement for the county of Albany. 575 00:44:39,970 --> 00:44:46,430 I expressed my disappointment in the decision, I'll get over it, you know, and I'll make 576 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:53,450 the bold statement because the council, the day, can change and terminate land, 577 00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:55,310 vision, or other policies. 578 00:44:56,910 --> 00:44:59,930 The future council can go back, so the future will. 579 00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:04,430 We'll arrive someday, we'll see. I've been 580 00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:12,560 informed by four people at four different times 581 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:20,740 in the last week, ten days, and month ago or three weeks ago now, I guess. None of them 582 00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:27,180 wanted me publicly named, which I regret, but I'll respect that. They asked me, or told me, 583 00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:28,600 I guess that's what it was that, 584 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:35,000 certain mayors asked staff to lobby certain mayors. 585 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,060 So, I'll ask that question. 586 00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:41,540 Were staff involved in trying to influence any mayors? 587 00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:48,550 Through the chair, no, I don't even know what it means. 588 00:45:49,090 --> 00:45:51,990 To lobby the certain mayors to change. 589 00:45:52,070 --> 00:45:54,850 Two mayors are changing mind. 590 00:45:55,930 --> 00:46:00,070 And the question is that their opinion was that staff 591 00:46:00,070 --> 00:46:03,150 I'll try to influence them at the request of other mirrors on the side. 592 00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:03,730 That's none. 593 00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:05,270 I'm aware of. 594 00:46:05,790 --> 00:46:06,850 You're a man of your words. 595 00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:10,990 I'll accept that. 596 00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:15,200 Don't go ahead. 597 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,120 I beg a prime minister chair. 598 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,820 Didn't mean to interrupt you. 599 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,060 May I add one additional point that really concerns me. 600 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,020 And I'm coming off Dave Jenkins, excellent. 601 00:46:29,660 --> 00:46:32,180 Our comments and particularly both the quasi judicial nature. 602 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,420 One of the things that's changed in the committee. 603 00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:46,820 And the evaluation is that county planners now do the evaluation of a consent application for some of the LMPs, not all, but some. 604 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,100 Then they also, that same planner is also doing the evaluation from the county point of view. 605 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,980 It's a county planner paid by the county as opposed to by the LMP. 606 00:46:57,460 --> 00:47:03,320 I believe this is actually a direct conflict of interest, but at least the appearance of a conflict of interest. 607 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:13,280 And from a legal point of view, I think that's hazardous, and if this will continue on after this committee is gone, I think it's problematic. 608 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,820 Anyway, I wanted to bring that up because it's part of this whole process. 609 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:29,240 And it could profoundly affect an LMP's ability to make its case if the county's making the case for the LMP and for the county itself. 610 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:34,740 Well, the planner here, these are all people of integrity, aren't about to change from 611 00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:38,760 the evaluation based on the LMP and then on the county. 612 00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:45,960 And I think that's a very problematic issue from an evaluative point of view and also possibly 613 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,380 from a legal point of view. 614 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,340 So thank you Dave for bringing up the issue both of the quasi-dude issue. 615 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:51,700 I think that's very important. 616 00:47:55,230 --> 00:47:55,670 Dugal. 617 00:47:56,750 --> 00:48:03,730 Just a couple more comments that have been said from what John said here, you know, I think 618 00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:09,330 it's got to be very difficult sometimes for to represent the county and municipalities because 619 00:48:09,330 --> 00:48:12,870 you've got to wear two hats and you've got to decide which one to put on sometimes. 620 00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:21,390 And then today's comment about how this is sort of quasi-idesial, an arms length group, where 621 00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:23,770 Now it's going to the county council decide. 622 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:29,330 Hopefully these mayors commit decisions without the thought of influence. 623 00:48:30,190 --> 00:48:35,170 But sometimes if you get a severance that involves a large family and you make a decision 624 00:48:35,170 --> 00:48:40,310 that's going to piss that family off, it can make an awful lot of difference on how the next 625 00:48:40,310 --> 00:48:42,290 vote goes if you want to get back in. 626 00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:47,390 So I think going that way, it kind of opens up a dangerous road. 627 00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:55,100 Well, I think we've got a lot off our chest. 628 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:04,640 I think we're very cognizant of the fact that we are recommended by lower tier, but we 629 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,760 are appointed by the county, and they are the decision makers. 630 00:49:08,980 --> 00:49:13,400 I think there's a consensus that we have done our job, 631 00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:18,940 it really was a contentious decision. 632 00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:27,380 And the fact that it took three attempts, somebody, and I take matter to this word, but 633 00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:31,560 some, somebody changed in minds and here we are, and you know, that was surprising. 634 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:39,080 But we'll live with it, and the future, who knows, you know, we got a place across the road 635 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,440 when people are getting upset about those buildings come down. 636 00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:46,820 But the province of the ones that put the dead's nation on, the province of the province 637 00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:47,600 can take them off. 638 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,020 We don't have to let all the decisions that are made, but we have to respect them. 639 00:49:51,940 --> 00:49:55,900 So I want to thank staff for their work today. 640 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,400 I want to thank the members for being respectful and blunt. 641 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,900 I'm pleased to hear that we still have work to do to the end of the term. 642 00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,420 If there's nothing further, we'll look for adjournment. 643 00:50:13,100 --> 00:50:15,080 We'll play John, second by Bill. 644 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,340 Please call the vote. 645 00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:25,100 move by John Andrew seconded by Bill Unger. Result that the committee adjourned at 9.50 a.m. on August 26, 646 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:33,920 26 to meet again at 9 a.m. on September 23rd, 26. Do you go, Alder? Yes. John Selden? Yes. 647 00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:46,160 Bill Unger? Yes. Dave Jenkins? Yes. Inflac? Yes. Yes. 648 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,000 We are adjourned. Have a good day, everyone. Thank you.