1 00:00:11,040 --> 00:00:13,280 We'll call to order the Town of 2 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,280 Elizabeth Board of Trustees special 3 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,119 meeting for Tuesday, April 30th, 2025 at 4 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:23,439 7 p.m. Wednesday. A Wednesday. Good 5 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:26,400 gosh. Yeah, it is Wednesday. It's one of 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,160 those. Sorry. It's Wednesday, April 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,559 30th, 2025 at 7 p.m. 8 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:35,760 Um, can we get a roll call? Mayor Turnis 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,399 here. Mayor Prom Hutchkins here. Trusty 10 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:41,360 Einste here. Trusty Schroer here. Trusty 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:47,190 Connley here. Trusty Gaither here. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,960 If you will all stand and say the pledge 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,520 of allegiance with me. 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,399 I aliance to the flag of the United 15 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,520 States of America and to the republic 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,080 for which it stands. One nation under 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,320 God, indivisible, with liberty and 18 00:01:06,320 --> 00:01:15,109 justice for all. 19 00:01:15,119 --> 00:01:17,439 This is the point in the meeting where 20 00:01:17,439 --> 00:01:20,479 we have unscheduled public comment. 21 00:01:20,479 --> 00:01:24,159 Um there is no uh public here tonight. 22 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,080 It's not on the agenda. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,920 public. I think you had it last meeting, 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:38,749 so you can't have it this 25 00:01:38,759 --> 00:01:44,159 um we will go to new business discussion 26 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:47,479 and possible action on resolution 27 00:01:47,479 --> 00:01:50,320 25R18, a resolution authorizing the 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,200 mayor to enter into a contract for the 29 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,840 construction and completion of the depot 30 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,240 parking lot. 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,240 Patrick, madame mayor, mayor protent, 32 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,640 members of the board, this is a 33 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,719 continuation of uh discussion of this 34 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,160 matter previously. Uh specifically uh 35 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,319 Terosina Design, who is our engineer in 36 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:12,959 conjunction with public works uh put out 37 00:02:12,959 --> 00:02:16,879 a proposal uh for purposes of securing 38 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,800 construction of the depot parking lot. 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Total of four bids were received. Uh, 40 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,319 one to Elite Surface Infrastructure in 41 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:28,750 the amount of 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,920 1,327,423.13. One to Elite Industries in 43 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,390 the amount of 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,200 1,591,134. One to QP Services LLC in the 45 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,550 amount of 46 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,680 1,73,325.89. and one to triplem 47 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,790 construction LLC in the amount of 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,760 two2,277,481.32. The apparent lowest 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,080 bidder is 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,400 uh RM RME Limited LLC doing business as 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,000 a lead surface infrastructure in the 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,750 amount of 1,327,423.13. 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Uh the contract has been provided to the 54 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,319 board uh for review as well as the bid 55 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:16,720 packets and the bid tabulation form uh 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,360 confirming that uh Elite Surface 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Infrastructure is in fact the lowest 58 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,159 qualified bidder. Um and looking to the 59 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:27,440 contract, the contract is the model form 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,319 contract prepared by Corey. Uh changes 61 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:33,200 were made for this contract for purposes 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,319 of including the uh RME Limited LLC DBA 63 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,640 as a lead surface infrastructure. The 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,959 contract amount is reflected in the bid 65 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:47,229 amount of 66 00:03:47,239 --> 00:03:49,680 1,327,423.13. The board will note that 67 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,319 there may there is a change on section 5 68 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:56,000 for retainage. Uh the contractor has 69 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,080 requested that retainage be reduced from 70 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,480 10% to 71 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,360 5%. The basis for that u and the town 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,040 staff is agreeable to that with the 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,080 board's consent. Is that this product 74 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,560 project really encompasses three major 75 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,400 activities. One is dirt moving, one is 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,720 concrete, one is asphalt. 77 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,000 those three combined um we will know if 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,919 there's a sufficient material breach of 79 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:21,680 the contract long before we get to that 80 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,240 point because you only have three 81 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,199 things. Um the other aspect is is that 82 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,160 the contract itself is for a 83 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,880 sufficiently low amount that reserving 84 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,759 only 5% is not out of the norm. Um if 85 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,479 this contract was $2 million or more, we 86 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:40,400 would have a different approach. The 87 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,759 other aspect of it 88 00:04:42,759 --> 00:04:46,360 is if this contract involved additional 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,840 trades, say for example, HVAC, plumbing, 90 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,720 electrical, things like that, that 10% 91 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,560 hold back would be more appropriate to 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,280 ensure that all uh subcontractors were 93 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,360 paid. In this case, that just is not a 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,160 scenario that presents itself. Uh 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,080 section 8, the contract term has been 96 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,080 changed slightly from the prior draft to 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,479 re to reference 98 00:05:09,479 --> 00:05:13,160 uh commencement of the project for 99 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,600 tomorrow. Um the prior one had 100 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,240 commencement, I believe, beginning on 101 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,520 the 22nd or 23rd, I don't recall. Um, 102 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,080 you'll note then on page three, a 103 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,720 revision of the contract increasing 104 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,080 liquidated damages from 105 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,680 $750 per day past completion to $1,500 106 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,000 per day past completion. That is clearly 107 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,120 in the town's advantage and is 108 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,039 recommended. 109 00:05:40,039 --> 00:05:42,639 Um, the balance of the contract is the 110 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:45,199 boiler plate established by council. uh 111 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,400 that's been used in the past. And we do 112 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,199 have and have received um the agreement 113 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,560 as signed by Jake Ray, vice president of 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,440 uh RME Limited LLC, doing business as 115 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,080 Elite Surface Infrastructure. So, with 116 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,600 that, I believe the contract is ready 117 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,520 for execution, subject to any questions 118 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,240 the board may have or any other items we 119 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,029 can uh address for you. 120 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:20,629 Are there any questions or comments? 121 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:24,880 I have a couple questions. Um there's on 122 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:30,680 the bid sheet there's some demo of 123 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,080 uh asphalt and uh concrete. Where are 124 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,710 those located? 125 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Are those in front of 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,520 um the carriage shops? Are those on 127 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,160 Spruce Street? It's the front of the 128 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 carriage shops for the concrete. The 129 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,000 asphalt at the the asphalt when they get 130 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,199 done with the main street project. It 131 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,120 probably won't be a straight line. It'll 132 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,759 be sloughed off. They they take the 133 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:05,599 grade from there down into the parking 134 00:07:05,599 --> 00:07:07,840 lot. So we'll probably have a straight 135 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,160 line cut there. Okay. So that we can 136 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,479 join up with the new asphalt to continue 137 00:07:12,479 --> 00:07:15,280 down into the parking lot. So that's for 138 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,560 the basically the two-way uh exit 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,280 entrance that's going between the 140 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,240 carriage shops and the alpaca shop. And 141 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:31,520 so that's both the the pavement and the 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,800 um concrete. That that area there is 143 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,639 concrete only. The only thing that's in 144 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,520 that parking lot is recycled asphalt. 145 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,680 It's not really It's been packed down, 146 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,680 so it a little work to get it out, but 147 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,039 it's not asphalt per se. Okay. The only 148 00:07:47,039 --> 00:07:49,360 other place for asphalt, like I said, to 149 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,000 cut the straight line is where Main 150 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,639 Street project ends in the asphalt. 151 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:57,520 Okay. They they're not going to pack it. 152 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,319 Leave us a nice straight line to join up 153 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,360 to. Okay. So, with our first lift, we'll 154 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 have straight line there. The second 155 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,319 lift will pick up on top of that so that 156 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,960 we don't have a straight up and down 157 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,280 joint. Okay. So, this isn't 158 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,319 things these aren't things that were 159 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:19,120 just done in the streets project. Okay. 160 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,680 I just I I'm like, this has got to be 161 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,759 down by the carriage shops, but is this 162 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:26,720 stuff that we just got done? And then 163 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,479 there was a question sheet in the packet 164 00:08:30,479 --> 00:08:32,680 about the concrete 165 00:08:32,680 --> 00:08:35,800 slabs for the 166 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,839 restrooms. Um and 167 00:08:40,839 --> 00:08:45,800 um so do we have an do we have 168 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,320 specifications on the restrooms? I 169 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,160 understand the restrooms are not part of 170 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,720 the bid, but the concrete slabs, do we 171 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,120 have specifications of what those have 172 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,360 to be to put 173 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,320 whichever ones we put there? And is that 174 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,360 what's in because it was asked by a 175 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,040 couple different ones. 176 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,839 The concrete pad madame mayor promp 177 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:13,279 members of the board. the concrete pad 178 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,720 meets the approximate uh need for what 179 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,959 we've planned out. Um there are numerous 180 00:09:20,959 --> 00:09:22,720 manufacturers, there are numerous 181 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,800 designs even from the manufacturer we're 182 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,399 currently working with. Under any 183 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,399 scenario the restroom will sit in that 184 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,720 pad. The only distinction is whether or 185 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,160 not there is how far to the edge of the 186 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,800 pad the restroom 187 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,040 comes. So is it a one foot set back, two 188 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,000 foot setback on the slab for the 189 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,720 restroom, but the restroom area itself 190 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,440 encompasses any the the pad upon which 191 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:48,959 is going to be poured for this 192 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:50,560 encompasses any of the possible 193 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,800 variations that we would consider for 194 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,800 the restroom. Okay. Both width and depth 195 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,880 of concrete. Yeah, depth is not a big 196 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,600 issue. Those are not that Abby. Um my 197 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,920 guess is 4 in. It's four. It'll be 198 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,279 actually be four and a half right there. 199 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:08,959 Okay. 200 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:10,560 Load. 201 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,600 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In part because it's 202 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,279 static. It's a static load. It's not 203 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:18,160 going anywhere. So, yeah, there it's not 204 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,720 the bathrooms aren't on skids. They 205 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,839 actually sit flush on the ground. So, 206 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:25,600 pounds per square inch that they're 207 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,079 going to cover is almost nothing. Okay. 208 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:33,399 Okay. And I noticed in looking at the 209 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:36,440 drawings that 210 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,399 the the piping 211 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:45,360 um in the detention pond is actually 212 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,680 uh different than the last drawing that 213 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,760 we looked at. 214 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,839 Um, is 215 00:10:52,839 --> 00:10:57,519 there is this to be more efficient or it 216 00:10:57,519 --> 00:11:00,640 just this is a better way to do it and 217 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,480 did 218 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,480 it and I'm not a drawing reader. So, did 219 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,560 it change the depth or anything of the 220 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:12,480 drainage pond? We the the drainage 221 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,560 piping talk about the change that we 222 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:17,279 made was because we changed the location 223 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,720 of the detention pond itself. Okay. So 224 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,000 instead of going AC across land and 225 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,720 sheet flowing it to a detention pond, 226 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,560 we're taking it underground and piping 227 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,279 and taking it to the detention pond. 228 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:34,399 It's um Okay. What does the state call 229 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:36,399 it? It's it's a secondary way of 230 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:39,920 cleaning up storm water. Okay. because 231 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,720 it is a different shape and in a little 232 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,279 because it takes up more of that corner. 233 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:49,040 Okay. I kept thinking I knew the piping 234 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,680 was different. Yeah. Um but I kept 235 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,839 thinking I think the shape of it 236 00:11:53,839 --> 00:11:57,000 different too. Okay. Okay. 237 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Now to to avoid the sheet flows across 238 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,480 the ground. Okay. This is what where we 239 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,279 started. We changed that to keep it 240 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,760 underground so that we're not taking a 241 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,079 chance on like our rains from two years 242 00:12:10,079 --> 00:12:13,440 ago. Yeah. And washing out a section of 243 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,440 our trail. Okay. 244 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:23,550 Okay. Great. Then I only have one other 245 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:27,079 um thing I want to say. 246 00:12:27,079 --> 00:12:31,800 Um, I'm I am still not comfortable with 247 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,800 the funding being split between the 248 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,200 capital improvement fund and the street 249 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,800 capital improvement fund. I I like the 250 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,200 idea of the parking lot. I like uh the 251 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,310 location. 252 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,519 Um, when I read what our ordinance says, 253 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:56,959 um, and I'm very black and white. Um, so 254 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:00,160 this doesn't fit in the black and white 255 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,959 of what our ordinance says about the uh, 256 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:05,440 street capital fund. I would rather see 257 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,079 us do a budget amendment and have this 258 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,720 all come out of the capital improvement 259 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,600 fund rather than 260 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,120 having any of it come out of street 261 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,760 capital. particularly looking forward to 262 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:25,279 the um 26 budget year with looking at um 263 00:13:25,279 --> 00:13:27,519 doing 264 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:30,720 uh paving in Hillside Village and I 265 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,240 think we're going to need every dollar 266 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,760 we can get in the street capital fund. 267 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,519 Um, and so 268 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:42,800 I'm that would be if if I were to make 269 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,519 the motion, I would add that I like it 270 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:46,720 all to come out of the capital 271 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:54,670 improvement fund. But, um, that's all my 272 00:13:54,680 --> 00:13:57,600 comments. Any other comments or 273 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,920 questions? 274 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,959 Um, I have one specifically. Um, Mike, 275 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:07,199 there's on page 38. Uh, and this 276 00:14:07,199 --> 00:14:09,920 particular page has Teroscina design um 277 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,000 at the bottom, but it appears that there 278 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,720 was a series of questions there, and I'm 279 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,519 just wondering if most of these were 280 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,240 answered by uh you, Mike, as well as uh 281 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,720 perhaps you, Patrick. One of them says, 282 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,720 "Does the city of Elizabeth currently 283 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,959 have any fill material available for 284 00:14:26,959 --> 00:14:29,680 use?" Um and then it notes town is 285 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,160 working on this but not confirmed uh bid 286 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,720 based on providing 287 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,000 import. If the town has extra fill 288 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,560 laying around that'll be utilized. Is 289 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,199 that something that's going to then save 290 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:45,199 dollars and cents on on this project as 291 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:47,199 far as the the contractor is concerned? 292 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:49,199 In theory, yes. Those questions are the 293 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:51,760 questions that the contractors who are 294 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,399 looking at bidding submitted. Not even 295 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:57,680 these that we had I think 19 individuals 296 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,760 for the contract. These were the generic 297 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,519 questions asked by vids and all the 298 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,519 contractors. Well, the answers were 299 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,680 provided to all contractors. Cool. Okay. 300 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,839 The infill is a two part a two-part 301 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:09,279 piece. We do have a little bit of dirt 302 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:13,000 available. Okay. In the event that 303 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,920 walnut project advances, what's the name 304 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,240 of it now? Walnut Grove. Walnut 305 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,040 whatever. Walnut square. Walnut Grove. 306 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,040 In the event Walnut proceeds, we would 307 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,680 be able to take that dirt because it it 308 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,519 will save us money. It actually saves 309 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:29,279 Walnut money, too, because otherwise 310 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:31,279 they're hauling that dirt to Franktown. 311 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:34,240 Oh, so it'd be much better for us if we 312 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,199 need it would allow us. Plus, with 313 00:15:37,199 --> 00:15:39,839 regard to Bulmer's on the 444 property, 314 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:41,519 they need to back fill as well, and they 315 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,920 are already agreed to accept dirt if we 316 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,639 can get that piece accomplished. Thanks, 317 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,040 guys. I I I just thought, hey, that 318 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,279 that's a plus right there. If there is a 319 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,519 bunch of dirt left over somewhere, that 320 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,560 would keep this bid from 321 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,240 going up further. Okay. Yeah. And in 322 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,680 theory, if they're moving and back 323 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,800 filling dirt, uh they're the ones doing 324 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,560 it. They being Walnut Grove. So, there 325 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,600 would be very, very much a reduction in 326 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,160 what that price line would be in that. 327 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,000 Excellent. Okay. Thanks, guys. But we'll 328 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,440 see. We're still waiting for response 329 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,110 from to finalize that piece. Understood. 330 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,749 Any other questions or comments? 331 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:27,279 I I agree with your comment about which 332 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,040 fund 333 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,639 um this is coming out of. Um I don't 334 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,040 like it coming out of the streets 335 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,639 fund. Um I I think this should all be 336 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:41,800 capital 337 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,000 improvement fund. Um, and part of that 338 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,240 is, as you mentioned, in 2026 for 339 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Hillside Village, um, I think that's 340 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,639 going to cost us a whole lot more than 341 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,480 what we are thinking it is and we need 342 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,800 to 343 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,799 have, you know, all the funds in that 344 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:10,000 account that that we can have for that. 345 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,350 So, 346 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:18,880 And um based on projected for 2025, 347 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,520 capital improvement would end the year 348 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,079 with almost 349 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:27,120 uh almost double of what the street 350 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:29,520 capital improvement fund would. And 351 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,440 that's that's another reason why I'd 352 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,200 rather see the 630 come out of that. If 353 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,360 I could, Madam Mayor, I I understand the 354 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,440 point. The issue is is that while those 355 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,799 are differentiated funds, you're 356 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,919 spending the same amount of money either 357 00:17:42,919 --> 00:17:44,960 way. You can either spend it from 358 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,400 capital improvement or you can spend it 359 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,679 from streets. Either way, the same 360 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,559 amount of money is going to be spent. 361 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:52,480 Yes. And it's it's not the amount of 362 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,799 money. I understand that. But I'm saying 363 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,720 under that scenario, you're simply 364 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,160 taking it from this pocket instead of 365 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,080 this pocket. 366 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,720 Either way, the amount is set. 367 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,360 So if you're not taking it from streets 368 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:07,840 and you're taking it from here, you just 369 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:09,679 simply are reducing the balance in the 370 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:11,640 capital improvement 371 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,640 fund with no impact on streets, but it's 372 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,080 still going to be accessed. Both 373 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,600 accounts will be accessed under either 374 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,919 scenario for for the project either this 375 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:23,440 project or the other project or both 376 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,880 projects. Okay. So, just so I understand 377 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,960 when we get to the hillside side, if we 378 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,120 need to pull from the capital fund to 379 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:32,760 make up for what the street fund is 380 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,120 lacking, we'll be able to do that. Yeah, 381 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,960 absolutely. Capital fund is for any 382 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,120 capital improvement across the board in 383 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:41,520 the town. Streets come from a different 384 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,840 revenue stream coming in tied to 385 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,679 streets. Obviously, this has spruce 386 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:47,600 street as part of this, so that's why 387 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,720 that was divided out. Um, but under 388 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,720 either scenario, both of those accounts 389 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,400 will be used for this project and for 390 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,640 Hillside should the board decide to do 391 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,990 either or both. 392 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,120 Well, I will entertain a motion 393 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:16,230 uh to approve resolution 24 R8. 394 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,390 I'll second it. 395 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,799 The mayor did it. No, I'm ask I'm asking 396 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,760 for someone to make that motion. I'll 397 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,480 put forth a motion to prov or approve 398 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,120 resolution 25R18, a resolution 399 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,880 authorizing the mayor to enter into a 400 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,799 contract for the construction and 401 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:37,200 completion of the depot parking lot. 402 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 I'll second it. 403 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,880 We have a motion and a second. Um 404 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,240 Michelle, can we do a roll call vote? 405 00:19:48,240 --> 00:20:03,750 Mayor Mayor Turnis. 406 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,150 I'm going to vote no. 407 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,270 Pro Tim Hutchkins. Yes. 408 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,080 Trusty Enspar. Yes. 409 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,520 Trusty Schroeder, yes. 410 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,120 Trusty Connley, yes. Trusty Gaither, 411 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:26,390 yes. 412 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,120 That motion 413 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:32,799 passes. Um, at this time, all I need a 414 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:34,640 motion for adjournment. I move to 415 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,240 adjourn. 416 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,159 Second. 417 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:41,039 All those in favor, please say I. I. I. 418 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,840 I. All those opposed, please say nay. 419 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,280 Motion passes. We're adjourned. 420 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,200 Thank you everyone. I mean it. Thank 421 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,990 you. 422 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,400 Now you're ready.