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Appropriate funding for it. Good evening.

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Would like to welcome everyone to our regular session agenda

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for Monday, September the 14th, 2026, of Elizabeth City

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City Council. Would like to welcome everyone.

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At this time, we're going to ask if everyone will please stand, as we will have

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Councilwoman Cartwright to lead us in the pledge of allegiance after the

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invocation, which will be given by Councilman Gibbs.

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Paul may retire.

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Let's pray.

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Heavenly Father, we bless you and thank you, God, for this time and this

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opportunity that you've provided for us to come and serve the citizens, Lord.

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Ask, God, that you'll be with us as we go through the agenda, Lord.

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Ask, God, that you'll give us guidance and direction and wisdom, Lord God, as we

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discuss items on the agenda for tonight.

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Thank you for each one that is here on tonight, Lord God.

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We just ask, God, that you will cover this city, that you protect us, God, you

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would give us knowledge and understanding and wisdom, Lord God, in all

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things. Lord, help us to make informed decisions, God.

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Sometimes they may be tough, but help us always look for what's the best

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interest of the citizens of Elizabeth City.

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In Jesus Christ's name I pray, amen.

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Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America, and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one Nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Go ahead and leave it. Let me pick up this one.

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Would like to welcome everyone who may be watching us on the World

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Wide Web, those who are watching us through Channel 11, and those who are

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in attendance at our city council meeting.

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As always, I'm excited. I'm excited because we have our youth

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in the

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building, in our chambers, and whenever I see our youth doing great, it

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gives me great excitement. So I feed off of their energy,

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and because of their energy. So we're excited to have you in our chambers.

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Join us for our city council meeting.

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Council, you have in front of you your agenda.

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I would ask that you would allow me to add on Item E,

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employee retirement, Paul Perry,

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added adoption of resolution to award gun and badge,

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proclamation, Alpha

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and Parks and Rec summer camp recognition.

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Under the consent agenda, I would ask that you would allow adopt the

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resolution approving tentative award of water well

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improvement projects, and under the regular agenda,

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authorize additional side work

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under the Water Street Transformation Project.

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council, do you have any other additions or deletions?

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Just like to add under closed session,

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a land acquisition.

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That would be closed session.

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And also, another item for

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consultation with city attorney.

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Okay. So that will be added to the closed session.

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Mr. Mayor?

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Yes.

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I'd like to add, consideration for

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amendment to the budget ordinance, and I'd like to make that

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Item 12.

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Item 12. Okay.

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And make adjournment 13, if possible.

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So move, that sounds great.

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Any other additions or deletions?

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We've no other additions or deletions.

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Council,

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what's the pleasure?

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Motion to approve with the necessary changes.

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Second.

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Motion been properly made, second.

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All in favor, let me know by saying "Aye."

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Opposed? Motion so carried. Next, as

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we go to

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Hunger Action Day.

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Do we have anyone here to receive?

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Okay, we ask you come right to the

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podium

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Proclamation. Hunger Action Day in Elizabeth City,

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North Carolina, September the 29th, 2006.

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Whereas Feeding America is the nation's leading domestic

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hunger relief organization with a mission to feed and

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advocate for America's hungry through a nationwide network of

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member food banks. And whereas the Food Bank of the

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Albemarle is a member of Feeding America and fights

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hunger and poverty in 15 northeastern North

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Carolina counties, working with more than 100 local

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hunger relief partners to distribute food to the

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hungry. And whereas both the Food Bank of the

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Albemarle and Feeding America seek to engage our

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citizens locally, statewide, and nationally in the

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fight to end hunger.

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And whereas the number of people in the Albemarle area

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who need assistance is more than

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44,440, as

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reflected in more households in poverty and more

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individuals being unemployed. And whereas

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the fight against hunger is a fight that concerns

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each one of us, especially our citizens

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here in the Albemarle area and in the city of Elizabeth City.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved that I, E.

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Kirk Rivers, Mayor of the City of Elizabeth City,

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do hereby proclaim September the 29th,

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2026 as Hunger Action

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Day in Elizabeth City, North Carolina.

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And encourage our citizens

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to join the fight to end hunger by

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volunteering with the Food Bank of the Albemarle,

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by learning more about hunger in our communities, by spreading

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awareness of hunger during September's Hunger Action

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Month, and by taking action on Hunger

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Action Day. Proclaim this the 14th day of September

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2026. April Only, City Clerk, E.

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Kirk Rivers, Mayor. And we present this and with recognition that

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our citizens would do more, that we can help the numbers

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and improve or make those numbers go down.

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So we ask please come forward.

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Thank you so much. Okay. All

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I'd just like to thank everyone for this acknowledgement of Hunger Action Day.

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We recognize it as a day during Hunger Action Month in September.

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as you mentioned, Mayor, the needs of our city and

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our county and the region that the Food Bank of the Albemarle serves,

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it's

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every day. So, we hope that everyone can

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visit our website, afoodbank.org.

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You can find out how you can get involved, how you can volunteer, how you can

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become an advocate to help change the state of hunger. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Constitution Week.

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Yes, come right up to the podium.

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Here.

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Proclamation. Constitution Week, September the 17th through

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the 23rd, 2026. Whereas the

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Constitution of the United States of America embodies the principles

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of limited government in a republic dedicated to the rule by

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law. And whereas the aims of Constitution Week are to

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emphasize citizens' responsibilities for

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protecting and defending the Constitution and

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preserving it for posterity, to inform the people

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that the Constitution is the basis for America's heritage

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and the foundation for the American way of life, and to

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encourage the study of the historical events which led

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to the framing of the Constitution in September

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1787.

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And whereas September the 17th,

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2026 marks the

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239th anniversary of the

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drafting of the Constitution by the Constitutional

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Convention. And whereas it is fitting and proper to

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afford official recognition to this magnificent

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document and its memorable

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anniversary and to the patriotic celebrations which will

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commemorate the occasion. And whereas Public Law

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915 guarantees the issuing of a proclamation

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each year by the President of the United States of America

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designating September the 17th through the

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23rd as Constitution Week. Now,

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therefore, I, E. Kirk Rivers, Mayor of the City of Elizabeth City,

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do hereby proclaim September the 17th

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through September the 23rd, 2026 to

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be Constitution Week in Elizabeth City, North

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Carolina. And ask all citizens to

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reaffirm the ideas

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that the framers of the Constitution had in

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1787 by vigilantly protecting

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the freedoms guaranteed to us through this guardian

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of liberties, remembering that lost rights may never be

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regained. Proclaim this the 14th day of

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September 2026. April Only, City Clerk,

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Mayor E. Kirk Rivers, Mayor.

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On behalf

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of the Daughters of the American Revolution, the Virginia Dare

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Chapter,

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and the Roanoke Tar-Rous Indians of Dare County, we

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thank you.

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As many of you may have forgotten, Constitution Week

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is a traditional time for us,

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which we have really almost have forgotten.

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We're asking you to please encourage your

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educators to spend more time

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teaching the children about our founding documents,

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which are so important for the formation of

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this United States of America.

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I remember as a child,

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I had to recite and learn the preamble to the

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Constitution. And you ask a child

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nowadays, they want to know, "What are you talking about?"

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we have to do some work.

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They need to know about the Declaration of Independence,

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the preamble, the Constitution, and also

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understand the importance of the Bill of Rights.

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So I'm not here to preach to you this evening.

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I just say to you, come out wherever

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you are, and on September the 17th at

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4:00, ring a bell.

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Ring the bell for justice and freedom.

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We need that reminder. Thank you.

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International Alpha Delta Kappa

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Month.

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Whereas Alpha Delta Kappa, an

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international honorary sorority for women educators,

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is observing Alpha Delta Kappa Month during the month of

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October. And whereas women in education

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constitute a great portion of the nation's working

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force and are constantly striving to serve their communities

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and nation in education, cultural, and

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charitable programs leading to harmony,

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happiness, and peace among all people.

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Whereas Alpha Delta Kappa is dedicated to educational

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excellence, leadership, and world understanding and

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recognizes outstanding women educators who have actively

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engaged in teaching, administration, or in some

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specialized field of the teaching profession.

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And whereas the local Gamma Iota chapter of

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Alpha Delta Kappa is engaged in promoting education and

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charitable projects and activities, sponsoring scholarships,

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and furthering and maintaining worthy standards in the field of

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education at the local and state level.

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Now, therefore, I, E. Kirk Rivers, Mayor of the City of Elizabeth City,

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do hereby proclaim the month of October 2026

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as International Alpha Delta Kappa Month

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in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, and I encourage all

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citizens to join me in saluting this

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organization for its fine record of service to

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our community. Proclaim this the 14th day of September

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2026.

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April Only, city clerk. E. Kirk Rivers, mayor, Elizabeth City,

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North Carolina.

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Mr. Mayor and city council members, the Gamma Iota

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chapter of Alpha Delta Kappa would like to thank you for this

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proclamation in recognizing October as

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Alpha Delta Kappa Month. Again, we are an international

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organization of both retired and active

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teachers. I'm looking forward to presenting this proclamation

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at our October meeting and for serving our

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community again this year. So thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Next, we're going to ask if the

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SRO,

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SROs, and the sheriff will please come forward.

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And as they're coming forward,

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I would like to recognize

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Lieutenant Wallace,

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Farr,

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Sergeant Anthony Alexander,

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Corporal Jeremy Burkett and Jesse Burkett,

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Deputy E. Goddard, Deputy C. Skorupa,

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Deputy T. Goldsmith, Deputy I. Jordan,

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Deputy R. Godfrey, Deputy D. White,

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Deputy Perry. And if I missed any

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SROs, we do apologize. But we want to recognize

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the SROs for an outstanding job

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working with our youth at our summer camp, the Elizabeth

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City Parks and Rec, Director Williams.

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When I showed up for the closing

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Event,

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you were cooking.

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When we showed up to do-- The young students,

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they were planning the end of the year

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ceremony. You were sitting at the back table.

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And we just want to recognize you for

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being in our community, being a part of our youth,

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making sure that we show leadership to our young people, and guiding them in

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the right way. And I always believe, and I truly say this when it comes to the city

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of Elizabeth City, it takes a village to raise our

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children. And when we continue to work together, they see the village

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and know that they are part of greatness.

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So we want to take this time and we have presented to you,

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the city of Elizabeth City, North Carolina,

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presents. This certifies that the

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SROs are awarded the Mayor's

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Certificate of Recognition. On behalf of the City Council

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of the City of Elizabeth City, we thank you for your assistance

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and unwavering support

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this summer for our kids, our camps, and

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communities are lucky to have such a dedicated

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team in our corner. Given this, the 14th day of

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September 26, signed April Only, City

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Clerk, E. Kirk Rivers, Mayor of Elizabeth City, North Carolina.

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Thank you.

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Thank you,

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sir.

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Can you get this for me?

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Sure.

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Thank you, sir.

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Just right here.

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Yeah.

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Okay. All right. One, two, one,

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two. Right to the podium this time.

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I'll just be very brief. Thank you.

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I want to say thank you to the city of Elizabeth City for recognizing the hard work

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that the school resource officers put in for the last eight years.

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When I transitioned them, like we spoke about, from just going on patrol

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to going in the community to keep that cycle of...

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You know what cycle I'm talking about, trying to keep the kids out of trouble,

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basically. So, keeping them busy during the summer, I believe, is paramount.

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And I'm still going to stand on the foundation of investing in our youth is

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very important. So these men and women work 40, 50,

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60 hours a week, every week, all summer long. And I'm very proud of them.

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And again, thank you. Thank you to the SROs, and I appreciate the recognition.

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Honorable Mayor, distinguished Council, I just want to take a moment to say that we

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are overly excited of being recognized for what it is that we willfully love to do

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for our kids and our community. We are the school resource officers that are in the

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school system. We engage probably 5,000 kids every day in

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one of your schools. We are hoping and looking forward to do more and more

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engagement in your community and our community, and we're hoping to build more

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partnerships to make sure that we inspire our children and our students about

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leadership, morals, and just being great kids and being positive in

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our community. So I'd like to say, again, thank you so much.

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Thank you, God, for this opportunity.

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And we appreciate anything that we can do to help make this city even better,

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we're willing to do. So thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, and we appreciate the continued partnership, looking forward to working

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together.

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And as you've just heard from our SROs, they talked

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about our

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youth. And

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our youth are here. And it's exciting because of what

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they have accomplished

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right here in our great city. And I'm excited when you see these

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red,

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I'm going to say, T-shirts or their paraphernalia,

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but it gives me great pride to ask for the Elizabeth City

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Rowing Club to come forward.

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Right there.

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Mm-hmm.

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Everybody.

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And this is everyone who's part of the rowing club.

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I want every- I didn't know if you wanted us all. Everybody.

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I didn't know if you wanted- Yes, I want everybody.

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Are you part of the rowing club?

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You're going to have to squeeze through. You have to move out the way. Right there.

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I'm going to bring them up right after I talk about-

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All right. That's right, everybody. See?

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I want everyone to see our greatness- Some of us are there ...

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in the city of Elizabeth City.

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And to all of our citizens as they are coming forward.

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Within this great group that we have of rowers,

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they actively use our Pasquotank River.

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They utilize God's gift to us, and they are out rowing in the

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morning and the evening, practicing

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when it's hot outside and humid outside.

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They're gliding across the water.

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And this group right here, as you would see, says Elizabeth

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City Rowing Club. They represent us great.

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And we have national

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winners. And so all the national winners, raise your gold medal up.

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And they're from bronze.

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And we have first place winners. So we're excited.

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We want to let you know that we continue to support you.

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And as I thought the season may be over, they let me know that

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we have those that will now be representing us in China.

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And they're going to be gone for 10 days, October the 21st,

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I think, is the

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October 21st

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Oh, wow.

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And so they will be representing the United States.

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So they now have a larger territory that they

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represent, but to know that you're right here from our

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great city of Elizabeth City, and you're continuing to do great things.

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So to continue with the team, it's all about team

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concept, and we will be cheering for you.

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We want you to know that your city is behind you.

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I will be listening, waiting for

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Ms. Terry Berry to tell me the great results, but we're proud

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of you, and we want you to keep pushing.

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Next year we want more winning with the nationals.

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We want more representing the United

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States over wherever it may be. But you have our true support,

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and it gives me great pride and privilege to be able to present

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this to the Elizabeth City Rowing Club, and we present this as a team

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because we are one team. The city of Elizabeth City, North Carolina.

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This certifies that the Elizabeth City Rowing

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Club is awarded the Mayor's Certificate of

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Recognition on behalf of the City Council of the

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City of Elizabeth City, North Carolina,

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in honor of your outstanding achievements

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and dedication. Congratulations, and may

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even greater success be awaiting you

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in the distance. Given this, the 14th day of September

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2026, April Only, city clerk, Mayor E.

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Kirk Rivers, sixth Mayor of Elizabeth City, North Carolina.

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Okay.

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Whole team come around.

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Here we go.

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And all four of you round the...

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Come over this side.

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He hadn't had everybody. He hadn't. He got to go up front.

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Now, those who are going to China, raise your hand. I want everyone to see.

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Raise it high.

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That's right.

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We've got one who's in college.

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One.

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She'll go there from her college.

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And so we're participating in three events representing the United States of

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America. So we're excited. So now

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everyone's in place.

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Okay. We'll give the two of you-

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Sorry

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Yeah. Hold it.

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We'll go right there, and he's going to tell us what to do.

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Number five. Number three ladies.

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Y'all mind getting in front of the balloons right there?

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The computer is-

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... here.

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Right there. Right there. Sounds good.

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All right.

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Y'all three, don't mind stepping up forward just a tad bit.

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Everybody scooch down. Scooch over some

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more. Right there.

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Ready for it. Step out on it.

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Switch out the-

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Hello?

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University of Washington.

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Take the first spot.

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Every time. Good to see you.

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Stand then.

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Amen.

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Coach.

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Typically do my reading in my spare time.

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Yeah.

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Y'all can't see me. I can't see y'all.

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But it is a good thing. You probably saw the movie on that though.

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Mm-hmm.

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It was a good one.

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All right.

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Y'all four just step over this tad bit because I can't see him. Nope.

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You're number five. Stay right

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there.

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Hold on. Hold on. Yep. Come over this tad bit. No.

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You step over this tad bit. Right there.

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All right, on three, everybody look at me.

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One,

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two, and three. All right. Okay.

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I just want to express my thanks to the city of Elizabeth City for allowing us to

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use the Coast Guard Park building. It has been such a blessing.

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We've been in there since 2020. My sailing program moved in there in

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2017, but it is tremendous. I know there are problems with the building,

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but it's a great boathouse. Because when it floods, we have boats, and they float.

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So it works out just fine for me, and I just want to thank you guys.

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Also, with the success of our program has come great growth.

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So now we have 40 kids. We launch 18 to 20 boats every

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night

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with one dock, and that is eating into our time because now it

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takes three minutes to launch a boat.

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And so what's happening is I'm training these athletes that are

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going all around the world, and they don't have enough time on the water because

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it's taking so long. So if we add a little L, leg off the dock, now we can

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launch multiple boats at a time. So it seems like a small thing, but it's

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not a small thing at all. It's cutting into, especially the JV that we're

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feeding. They're the ones that I'll launch last and bring in first, but the

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varsity will get their time in, but I'm cutting off the next

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pipeline,

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because I don't have enough time on the water.

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So the extra docks are very significant to this program, and I really appreciate

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your consideration.

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Great.

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So thank you so much.

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We appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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And also, I want to thank you, and I want to thank the parents-

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Oh

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... because of what you do continues to inspire our young

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people. Because sometimes we just allow our young people to just say, "What do

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you want to do?" But when you take the time out to make sure that you

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take them to the training, to practice, and then

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participate. And then for all of our citizens who have not had an

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opportunity to watch a race, to go out to, forgot the name

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of the river.

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Neuse and Creek.

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Creek.

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Both the beach. Yeah.

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Both beach.

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Not this Saturday, but the following Saturday, we have our first event out there.

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So-

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So come on down

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... the first, not this Saturday, but the next Saturday

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I will be there, but we want to encourage all who have the opportunity to

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bring young people out so they can see it.

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We want to make sure our youth in Elizabeth City are exposed to

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all activities that are going on. But I want to thank you,

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the coach, and the parents for what you do to continue to make

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our young people great in the city of Elizabeth City.

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So I want to give all the parents and the coach a round of applause.

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Thank you. And those that are going to China.

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I told the baseball team about a month ago that if they won,

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that

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I would cut my hair off. So what I'm going to do is, just for those who,

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if you go to China, and you come back with a first

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or a second... I was going to say I would get Councilman Gibbs to cut his off, but

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he's already so-

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I got you.

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You got-- Okay.

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Cut mine off.

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Okay. But no, we want to let you know that you have our

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total support. We're behind you, and we will do something

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special. I'm not sure what I'm going to do during that time, but we will do

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something. But just know that your city backs you, and we say

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thank you for representing not only your city, but representing

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the United States of America, and

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that's major.

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Okay.

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Next, we have Director Bale. If you could come

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forward.

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Sure.

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And we want to recognize Director Bale.

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It's always great when we have our

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employees of the city of Elizabeth City always doing great.

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They're always achieving, and we recognize, and we want to recognize and let

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our citizens know of when our

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employees receive major awards from

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00:32:33,674 --> 00:32:34,094
fellow

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00:32:34,954 --> 00:32:36,934
recognized nationally, statewide.

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00:32:36,994 --> 00:32:40,884
We want to say thank you for you exemplifying leadership and

521
00:32:40,934 --> 00:32:44,594
that others have recognized it. And so

522
00:32:45,574 --> 00:32:49,404
the Keith Pugh Professional Manager of the Year,

523
00:32:49,674 --> 00:32:53,354
Mr. Dajuan A. Bale. For nearly three decades, the

524
00:32:53,374 --> 00:32:56,794
nominee has demonstrated an unwavering commitment to

525
00:32:56,954 --> 00:33:00,414
excellence in public works administration, operational

526
00:33:00,494 --> 00:33:03,254
leadership, and community-focused service.

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00:33:03,714 --> 00:33:07,694
Through his progressive management style, strategic vision, and

528
00:33:07,794 --> 00:33:11,464
dedication to innovation, this nominee has established

529
00:33:11,514 --> 00:33:15,214
himself as an exceptional candidate for the Keith

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00:33:15,614 --> 00:33:19,594
Pugh Professional Manager of the Year Award, presented by the

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00:33:19,634 --> 00:33:23,294
American Public Works Association, North Carolina

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00:33:23,694 --> 00:33:26,934
Chapter Leadership and Management Division.

533
00:33:26,964 --> 00:33:29,024
Throughout his distinguished career in public works,

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00:33:31,214 --> 00:33:35,014
Dajuan Bale has consistently delivered measurable

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00:33:35,074 --> 00:33:38,934
results while leading teams ranging from 30 to more than

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00:33:39,154 --> 00:33:42,254
120 full-time employees.

537
00:33:43,214 --> 00:33:47,194
His professional accomplishments reflect not only technical expertise

538
00:33:47,234 --> 00:33:51,144
and administrative excellence, but also a deep understanding

539
00:33:51,194 --> 00:33:55,114
of the role public service plays in strengthening communities

540
00:33:55,134 --> 00:33:58,854
and improving quality of life for citizens across

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00:33:58,894 --> 00:34:01,044
North Carolina. A little bit about

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00:34:02,154 --> 00:34:05,714
Director Bale. Holds a Master's of Public Administration from

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00:34:05,754 --> 00:34:08,094
Columbia Southern University and has

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00:34:08,174 --> 00:34:11,444
consistently prioritized professional

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00:34:11,515 --> 00:34:15,504
development. His credentials include the completion of the Municipal

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00:34:15,504 --> 00:34:19,415
and County Administration program in 2021 and the

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00:34:19,435 --> 00:34:22,924
Professional Executive Leadership Academy, PELA,

548
00:34:23,334 --> 00:34:27,254
in 2024 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

549
00:34:27,995 --> 00:34:28,854
School of Government.

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00:34:31,054 --> 00:34:35,034
Many more accomplishments during this nominee's distinguished career can

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00:34:35,074 --> 00:34:39,015
be identified. Outstanding team vision, innovative

552
00:34:39,054 --> 00:34:42,794
and administrative effectiveness, employment achievement

553
00:34:43,254 --> 00:34:46,554
and operational excellence, commitment to customer service,

554
00:34:47,094 --> 00:34:50,754
community service and public engagement, and commitment to

555
00:34:50,894 --> 00:34:54,534
sustainability are just a few attributes.

556
00:34:54,995 --> 00:34:58,414
Because of this, the APWA

557
00:34:58,754 --> 00:35:01,314
North Carolina chapter of

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00:35:02,794 --> 00:35:06,094
the Leadership and Management Division proudly

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00:35:06,134 --> 00:35:09,954
presents the 2026 Keith Pugh

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00:35:10,194 --> 00:35:13,954
Professional Manager of the Year Award to our

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00:35:14,074 --> 00:35:17,834
own director, Dajuan Bale, public utilities

562
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,354
director for the city of Elizabeth City.

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00:35:20,794 --> 00:35:24,694
We appreciate you, and we're glad to let everyone know that these are the

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00:35:24,734 --> 00:35:27,874
letters that was presented, and they selected you from

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00:35:27,994 --> 00:35:31,794
others throughout the state of North Carolina.

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00:35:31,814 --> 00:35:35,094
But we appreciate you being part of the Elizabeth City team.

567
00:35:38,874 --> 00:35:40,054
And Tom.

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00:35:44,554 --> 00:35:47,974
And Tom Stewart. And this is the award, and we want in

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00:35:48,034 --> 00:35:49,474
recognition of your achievement

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00:35:50,674 --> 00:35:54,594
to the administration area of the public works field and for the

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00:35:54,654 --> 00:35:55,634
inspiration of

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00:35:56,854 --> 00:35:59,654
excellence, leadership, and dedication

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00:36:00,714 --> 00:36:03,474
presented to Director Bale. Good job, brother.

574
00:36:22,874 --> 00:36:25,334
Mayor, members of the council, thank you for the acknowledgement.

575
00:36:26,614 --> 00:36:27,254
I will say

576
00:36:28,774 --> 00:36:30,274
I think this award is kind of bigger than me.

577
00:36:30,334 --> 00:36:33,343
I think it's more so reflective of what the city of Elizabeth City has done

578
00:36:33,494 --> 00:36:34,094
altogether.

579
00:36:36,414 --> 00:36:38,064
People across the state watch what everybody do.

580
00:36:38,494 --> 00:36:42,094
So when we're negatively or positively, people see it.

581
00:36:42,134 --> 00:36:45,124
And one of the things I can say, that I received several phone calls just

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00:36:45,134 --> 00:36:48,414
throughout different colleagues over the state has said they've seen the positive

583
00:36:48,454 --> 00:36:50,094
changes in the city of Elizabeth City.

584
00:36:51,494 --> 00:36:51,954
I think a

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00:36:53,214 --> 00:36:56,904
good thing to say to that is just getting the award for the bonds and to hear how

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00:36:56,934 --> 00:37:00,514
the local government commission spoke highly of the city of Elizabeth City.

587
00:37:00,574 --> 00:37:04,214
So this is not just me, this is the city as a whole.

588
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:08,614
So that just lets you know, people watch, people see what we do, whether it's

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00:37:08,694 --> 00:37:12,584
always noticed or not. I know sometimes our citizens may have questions, or they

590
00:37:12,614 --> 00:37:15,894
don't understand things, but there's work being done, and it's being recognized at

591
00:37:15,974 --> 00:37:19,934
a state and national level. So I just want to say thank you and appreciate the

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00:37:19,944 --> 00:37:20,504
acknowledgement.

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00:37:24,794 --> 00:37:28,634
And do we have

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00:37:28,694 --> 00:37:29,934
Miss Ira Rice?

595
00:37:34,494 --> 00:37:34,634
Oh.

596
00:37:37,194 --> 00:37:38,654
Oh, I had it mixed up.

597
00:37:42,194 --> 00:37:42,914
I'm sorry about that.

598
00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:43,754
That's all right.

599
00:37:44,294 --> 00:37:48,204
We're excited and sad, as always,

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00:37:48,714 --> 00:37:52,594
because we're excited to recognize you for your years of service to our great

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00:37:52,674 --> 00:37:52,954
city.

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00:37:53,814 --> 00:37:56,734
We're a little sad because we lose a great employee.

603
00:37:56,874 --> 00:38:00,774
And as I was talking to, just coming from Director Bail,

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00:38:00,854 --> 00:38:04,414
and he was telling me about you. But they wanted to

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00:38:04,474 --> 00:38:08,264
recognize you because of the eight years of service that you have given to the

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00:38:08,334 --> 00:38:10,774
city of Elizabeth City, you've done great jobs.

607
00:38:11,214 --> 00:38:14,634
And so we want to present the retirement award presented to Ira Rice,

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00:38:15,334 --> 00:38:19,014
water plant operator A whale. Recognition

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00:38:19,234 --> 00:38:23,144
of eight years of dedicated service to the city of Elizabeth City Public

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00:38:24,134 --> 00:38:28,034
Utilities Department. Retirement effective September 1st,

611
00:38:28,214 --> 00:38:32,034
2026. Kirk Rivers, mayor, Reginald Goodson, city

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00:38:32,134 --> 00:38:34,334
manager, and I say, "When can we go fishing?"

613
00:38:36,144 --> 00:38:36,733
Well done.

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00:38:40,914 --> 00:38:42,234
Do we have anything

615
00:38:42,294 --> 00:38:45,534
to

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00:38:46,634 --> 00:38:47,974
say?

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00:38:49,914 --> 00:38:53,814
Just a couple of words. I've worked under Dwan, I've worked under Raymond for a

618
00:38:53,894 --> 00:38:57,794
long time. Y'all got some good workers in this town, and they deserve

619
00:38:57,854 --> 00:38:59,074
all the support y'all can get.

620
00:38:59,314 --> 00:38:59,854
Thank you.

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00:39:05,034 --> 00:39:07,734
Is the Perry here?

622
00:39:09,154 --> 00:39:09,494
Okay.

623
00:39:11,514 --> 00:39:14,974
And next I would like to, and this is just to be able to show and just

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00:39:15,054 --> 00:39:16,094
piggybacks what

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00:39:17,154 --> 00:39:20,914
we always like to recognize, because a lot of times people don't give

626
00:39:22,594 --> 00:39:22,934
your

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00:39:24,574 --> 00:39:28,414
pat on the back until something goes wrong, or you

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00:39:28,494 --> 00:39:32,394
never go throughout your career here at the city of Elizabeth City without

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00:39:32,454 --> 00:39:35,824
hearing, "Good job." But to our city manager,

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00:39:36,614 --> 00:39:40,274
to our finance team, to all of our directors,

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00:39:40,424 --> 00:39:44,274
and all of the citizens, I mean, to all of the employees of the city of

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00:39:44,294 --> 00:39:44,994
Elizabeth City,

633
00:39:45,874 --> 00:39:49,634
we want to recognize and say thank you. And we have more.

634
00:39:50,134 --> 00:39:53,314
But we want to congratulate you for

635
00:39:55,734 --> 00:39:56,354
last week,

636
00:39:57,294 --> 00:39:59,134
traveling to Raleigh

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and to the LGC meeting.

638
00:40:02,774 --> 00:40:05,874
Which is the LGC, the Local Government Commission.

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00:40:06,614 --> 00:40:07,814
When we have to

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00:40:09,534 --> 00:40:12,254
borrow money, it's just not easy. You can't walk into a bank.

641
00:40:13,314 --> 00:40:17,134
When you do large sums of money, you have to go before a commission, and you

642
00:40:17,174 --> 00:40:20,894
have to present your finances to a group, and they

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00:40:20,954 --> 00:40:22,354
inform you, yes, you

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00:40:23,414 --> 00:40:23,954
have the

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00:40:25,434 --> 00:40:28,234
finances or you have the way to make repayments.

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00:40:28,934 --> 00:40:31,354
You have your financial,

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00:40:32,594 --> 00:40:34,214
as they would say, house in order.

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00:40:35,034 --> 00:40:38,934
And just from listening online to what they

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00:40:38,994 --> 00:40:42,854
had to say, they had nothing but great things

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00:40:42,914 --> 00:40:44,894
to say about the city of Elizabeth City.

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00:40:45,514 --> 00:40:49,144
And so we want to take this time, your city council, your mayor,

652
00:40:49,914 --> 00:40:51,314
we want to recognize

653
00:40:52,614 --> 00:40:56,334
all of our city employees. Mr. City Manager, we want to

654
00:40:56,374 --> 00:41:00,114
recognize and say thank you for the leadership and to the

655
00:41:00,174 --> 00:41:03,774
team that traveled to Durham or Raleigh

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00:41:04,294 --> 00:41:04,814
and,

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00:41:05,614 --> 00:41:09,494
as they would say, $19 million in bonds.

658
00:41:09,534 --> 00:41:12,784
And one thing about that is when you have a city

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00:41:13,514 --> 00:41:15,054
that's over 100 years old,

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00:41:16,214 --> 00:41:18,194
we have things to fix in our great city.

661
00:41:19,154 --> 00:41:22,854
But because we were able to secure that, that does not mean tomorrow your

662
00:41:22,894 --> 00:41:26,654
rates will go up. That is not true. They have to present and

663
00:41:26,774 --> 00:41:29,574
show that we're capable of paying back

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00:41:30,694 --> 00:41:32,154
with our existing

665
00:41:33,374 --> 00:41:36,214
rates. And so we do not raise your rates just to pay.

666
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:40,314
But this just goes to show that we will be around another 100

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00:41:40,394 --> 00:41:44,144
plus years, and we're putting our money in our infrastructure,

668
00:41:44,654 --> 00:41:46,984
which a lot of people don't see until you wake up and

669
00:41:48,014 --> 00:41:51,834
your toilet don't flush or your electricity may be out, things of that nature.

670
00:41:52,174 --> 00:41:55,634
But this is just to show that we're continuing to invest.

671
00:41:55,674 --> 00:41:59,574
But to hear the LGC give the accolades,

672
00:41:59,614 --> 00:42:02,394
and right before Elizabeth City went up,

673
00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:05,734
another city was turned down or told to come back.

674
00:42:06,134 --> 00:42:09,714
They were put on hold, so not everyone gets to-- They had a lot of

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00:42:09,774 --> 00:42:13,454
questions, but they were well-- They gave so many accolades

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00:42:13,554 --> 00:42:16,734
about how the city's finances, how

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00:42:17,494 --> 00:42:20,634
everything is just going great in the city of Elizabeth City.

678
00:42:20,684 --> 00:42:23,634
Yes, every house can continue. We will continue to get better.

679
00:42:23,674 --> 00:42:27,444
We are not resting and stopping. But we just want to take this time to stop and

680
00:42:27,454 --> 00:42:29,574
congratulate each and every one of you

681
00:42:34,098 --> 00:42:38,038
Would you like to speak on anything, or

682
00:42:38,078 --> 00:42:40,818
you have someone to speak what took place at the meeting?

683
00:42:41,598 --> 00:42:44,298
I think you about said it. Said it all, there.

684
00:42:45,638 --> 00:42:49,538
19 million revenue bond for new electric substation

685
00:42:49,598 --> 00:42:53,058
and water wells to support growth in this

686
00:42:53,078 --> 00:42:56,798
town. As you said, work done by a lot of folks,

687
00:42:56,878 --> 00:43:00,728
by the mayor and the city council for the leadership of

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00:43:00,818 --> 00:43:04,658
hiring a bond council and a financial consultant that was

689
00:43:04,738 --> 00:43:08,098
instrumental in us getting this revenue bond.

690
00:43:08,738 --> 00:43:10,878
All of the staff department heads,

691
00:43:12,238 --> 00:43:15,718
all of the over 300 staff, I want to thank them

692
00:43:15,818 --> 00:43:16,238
also.

693
00:43:17,058 --> 00:43:20,738
And special thanks to Director Bell and Deputy Director

694
00:43:20,838 --> 00:43:24,668
White because they were instrumental in leading this process, helping

695
00:43:24,758 --> 00:43:28,578
lead this process. They did a great job, and we just look forward to

696
00:43:28,618 --> 00:43:30,778
keep moving this city forward. Thank you.

697
00:43:30,818 --> 00:43:31,258
Thank you.

698
00:43:35,878 --> 00:43:39,738
And after that is, I want to take this time also to represent and say

699
00:43:39,798 --> 00:43:41,078
thank you to this city council,

700
00:43:41,898 --> 00:43:45,538
because you have from the last that this new

701
00:43:45,578 --> 00:43:49,458
council has been seated, you have put things in place to make sure

702
00:43:49,578 --> 00:43:53,258
that financially that when they present it to the LGC,

703
00:43:53,358 --> 00:43:54,478
that from the rates,

704
00:43:55,438 --> 00:43:59,038
to doing management, to making sure that the funds are well

705
00:43:59,118 --> 00:44:02,998
spent. And I just want to say thank you to this council because of the simple

706
00:44:03,058 --> 00:44:06,878
fact it's a team approach from the city council to our staff.

707
00:44:07,318 --> 00:44:11,218
So we thank the staff, but also I want to say thank you to this city council

708
00:44:11,238 --> 00:44:14,498
for doing what you do, and my hats are off to each and every one of you.

709
00:44:14,678 --> 00:44:15,258
Thank you.

710
00:44:18,798 --> 00:44:19,238
Okay,

711
00:44:20,218 --> 00:44:20,658
next,

712
00:44:21,958 --> 00:44:24,398
we will now go right comments from the public.

713
00:44:30,618 --> 00:44:31,518
I have one,

714
00:44:32,478 --> 00:44:33,208
Katie Canning.

715
00:44:43,557 --> 00:44:44,618
Hi, I made it.

716
00:44:45,598 --> 00:44:48,978
I was at the county meeting, so I didn't know, and I actually sent all of y'all an

717
00:44:49,038 --> 00:44:52,918
email earlier, more in depth of what my speech is

718
00:44:53,018 --> 00:44:53,377
about.

719
00:44:55,158 --> 00:44:57,678
So good evening. My name is Katie Canning.

720
00:44:57,778 --> 00:45:01,678
I'm from the First Ward, but I also found out that

721
00:45:01,758 --> 00:45:04,278
I'm tied also with the Fourth Ward

722
00:45:05,138 --> 00:45:06,358
on the other side of my street.

723
00:45:07,258 --> 00:45:09,838
I support smart growth, but we must

724
00:45:09,898 --> 00:45:12,998
maintain existing

725
00:45:13,078 --> 00:45:15,298
infrastructure before adding strain.

726
00:45:15,438 --> 00:45:18,798
The city recently secured that $19

727
00:45:18,918 --> 00:45:22,578
million for the water, sewer, electric infrastructure while

728
00:45:22,618 --> 00:45:23,868
utility costs rise.

729
00:45:25,338 --> 00:45:28,458
Should we slow major development until these improvements are

730
00:45:28,558 --> 00:45:32,478
complete? Data centers and housing growth could increase demands on

731
00:45:32,538 --> 00:45:36,308
utilities, roads, emergency services, schools, public safety.

732
00:45:36,718 --> 00:45:40,578
Before approving major projects, the city should explain their

733
00:45:40,658 --> 00:45:44,258
impacts on capacity, costs, traffic,

734
00:45:44,418 --> 00:45:47,978
water use, and taxpayers. We also need

735
00:45:48,058 --> 00:45:51,718
stronger oversight out of businesses affecting public health, safety,

736
00:45:51,858 --> 00:45:55,678
and neighborhood character. The shipyard is an underused

737
00:45:55,738 --> 00:45:59,678
property that affects neighborhood character and could be repurposed.

738
00:46:00,118 --> 00:46:02,798
We should have an honest conversation about practical

739
00:46:03,238 --> 00:46:07,148
redevelopment and address environmental infrastructure and community

740
00:46:07,238 --> 00:46:11,098
concerns while creating value for residents.

741
00:46:11,108 --> 00:46:14,818
The city should recover unpaid nuisance abatements, code

742
00:46:14,878 --> 00:46:18,698
enforcement costs, and neglected property expenses before asking

743
00:46:18,778 --> 00:46:22,738
residents to pay more. Collection efforts and enforcement should be

744
00:46:22,778 --> 00:46:26,088
transparent. We need accountability and preventative maintenance.

745
00:46:26,478 --> 00:46:27,258
Like recently, a

746
00:46:28,098 --> 00:46:31,818
recent tree limb incident on Erin House damaged power lines and

747
00:46:31,878 --> 00:46:35,298
caused outages. Residents deserve clear answers and public

748
00:46:35,308 --> 00:46:37,658
process for reporting infrastructure problems.

749
00:46:38,398 --> 00:46:39,818
I also want to give

750
00:46:41,078 --> 00:46:43,218
props to Public Works. Recently, Mr.

751
00:46:43,518 --> 00:46:47,358
Biggs actually connected me with Danielle, and she has been addressing

752
00:46:47,418 --> 00:46:50,977
problems on my road due to flooding, so I do appreciate

753
00:46:51,118 --> 00:46:51,477
that.

754
00:46:52,597 --> 00:46:56,118
Growth must include adequate disability services here,

755
00:46:56,858 --> 00:46:59,148
healthcare, childcare, schools,

756
00:46:59,698 --> 00:47:03,028
transportation, parks, and recreation.

757
00:47:03,378 --> 00:47:07,298
My son has disabilities, and many children in our community also need services.

758
00:47:07,678 --> 00:47:11,658
My son was one on a waiting list for

759
00:47:11,798 --> 00:47:15,618
three years here, and they still asked me whether I wanted to remain on

760
00:47:15,678 --> 00:47:19,338
it. I eventually told them to just remove me.

761
00:47:20,118 --> 00:47:23,778
Trained providers are limited, and families should not have to wait

762
00:47:23,838 --> 00:47:25,698
years for support for their children.

763
00:47:26,418 --> 00:47:30,138
I grew up in Camden, and Elizabeth City in Pasquotank County are now my

764
00:47:30,218 --> 00:47:33,918
home. I want this community to remain accessible to families like mine.

765
00:47:33,958 --> 00:47:36,538
Success should be measured by whether

766
00:47:37,438 --> 00:47:41,248
residents can afford to stay, infrastructure can handle growth, services

767
00:47:41,298 --> 00:47:43,838
meet community needs, and decisions are transparent.

768
00:47:43,898 --> 00:47:47,237
Before building outward, let's strengthen what we already have. Thank you.

769
00:47:54,298 --> 00:47:56,858
We thank our citizens for coming out for public comment.

770
00:47:57,568 --> 00:47:59,908
At this time, then we will go to the public hearings.

771
00:48:01,698 --> 00:48:05,558
Declare a public hearing open for non-residential maintenance

772
00:48:05,618 --> 00:48:09,208
code. Public hearing open for non-residential

773
00:48:09,358 --> 00:48:10,178
maintenance code.

774
00:48:11,718 --> 00:48:12,708
Mr. City Manager.

775
00:48:13,858 --> 00:48:17,478
Oh, I'm sorry. Do we have anyone scheduled to speak for the public

776
00:48:17,558 --> 00:48:18,278
hearing?

777
00:48:19,288 --> 00:48:20,268
I have no one scheduled, sir.

778
00:48:20,278 --> 00:48:20,688
Okay.

779
00:48:21,498 --> 00:48:23,878
Anyone would like to have the opportunity to speak?

780
00:48:25,358 --> 00:48:26,598
With no one,

781
00:48:27,398 --> 00:48:31,298
public hearing for non-residential maintenance code

782
00:48:31,718 --> 00:48:32,718
is now closed.

783
00:48:33,658 --> 00:48:37,298
Do we have any councilors with a question, or would the city manager like to make a

784
00:48:37,378 --> 00:48:37,748
statement?

785
00:48:41,274 --> 00:48:42,614
Motion to approve as presented.

786
00:48:43,454 --> 00:48:44,574
Motion been properly made.

787
00:48:46,014 --> 00:48:46,334
Second.

788
00:48:46,654 --> 00:48:49,094
And seconded. Any other discussion?

789
00:48:50,174 --> 00:48:52,654
Being no discussion, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

790
00:48:52,684 --> 00:48:52,894
Aye.

791
00:48:53,754 --> 00:48:54,224
Opposed?

792
00:48:55,154 --> 00:48:58,514
Motion so carried. Next, nuisance abatement

793
00:48:58,794 --> 00:48:59,674
interest charges.

794
00:49:01,834 --> 00:49:04,914
Declared the public hearing open for nuisance

795
00:49:06,114 --> 00:49:09,854
abatement interest charges. Madam Clerk, do we have anyone

796
00:49:09,934 --> 00:49:10,674
scheduled to speak?

797
00:49:11,034 --> 00:49:11,934
No one signed up, sir.

798
00:49:12,164 --> 00:49:14,814
Do we have anyone in the audience that did not have the opportunity to sign up?

799
00:49:17,114 --> 00:49:19,054
Public hearing declared closed.

800
00:49:20,454 --> 00:49:22,974
Council, do you have any questions, comments? Or Mr.

801
00:49:23,214 --> 00:49:25,534
City Manager, do you have any questions or comments?

802
00:49:27,954 --> 00:49:29,794
If none, what's the pleasure of the council?

803
00:49:31,574 --> 00:49:32,914
Motion to approve as presented.

804
00:49:33,194 --> 00:49:33,474
Second.

805
00:49:34,014 --> 00:49:36,654
Motion been properly made and seconded. Any debate?

806
00:49:38,034 --> 00:49:40,774
Being no debate, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

807
00:49:41,234 --> 00:49:41,244
Aye.

808
00:49:41,294 --> 00:49:41,894
Opposed?

809
00:49:43,174 --> 00:49:47,134
Motion so carried. Next, you have the August the fourth

810
00:49:47,274 --> 00:49:50,474
emergency meeting minutes. Any additions or

811
00:49:50,494 --> 00:49:51,594
deletions?

812
00:49:51,614 --> 00:49:52,494
Motion to approve.

813
00:49:53,114 --> 00:49:53,404
Second.

814
00:49:53,834 --> 00:49:55,374
Motion been properly made and seconded.

815
00:49:55,414 --> 00:49:58,334
With no additions or deletions, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

816
00:49:58,434 --> 00:49:59,324
Aye.

817
00:49:59,334 --> 00:50:03,154
Motion so carried. Next, you have the August 10th, 2026

818
00:50:03,234 --> 00:50:05,534
regular session minutes. Any additions or deletions?

819
00:50:06,594 --> 00:50:07,314
Motion to approve.

820
00:50:07,694 --> 00:50:08,054
Second.

821
00:50:08,654 --> 00:50:10,034
Motion been properly made and seconded.

822
00:50:10,074 --> 00:50:13,414
With no additions or deletions, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

823
00:50:13,674 --> 00:50:14,173
Aye.

824
00:50:14,694 --> 00:50:17,854
Motion so carried. Next, approve the August the 24th,

825
00:50:18,054 --> 00:50:20,214
2026 work session minutes.

826
00:50:21,214 --> 00:50:24,594
Any additions or deletions? Being none, what's the pleasure of council?

827
00:50:24,674 --> 00:50:25,394
Motion to approve.

828
00:50:26,214 --> 00:50:26,454
Second.

829
00:50:26,734 --> 00:50:28,164
Motion been properly made and seconded.

830
00:50:28,174 --> 00:50:31,054
With no additions or deletions, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

831
00:50:31,294 --> 00:50:32,253
Aye.

832
00:50:32,294 --> 00:50:35,434
Motion so carried. Next, under consideration consent

833
00:50:35,514 --> 00:50:36,594
agenda.

834
00:50:39,614 --> 00:50:43,514
You have approve budget amendment for load management insurance check,

835
00:50:44,494 --> 00:50:48,034
authorize execution of engagement letter for Stroud

836
00:50:48,094 --> 00:50:50,294
Financial Services, call for a public hearing

837
00:50:50,354 --> 00:50:54,114
TA06-26 vape and tobacco

838
00:50:54,174 --> 00:50:54,494
shops,

839
00:50:55,314 --> 00:50:59,154
call for a public hearing TA07-26 data center,

840
00:50:59,674 --> 00:51:00,834
and adopt

841
00:51:01,734 --> 00:51:04,534
resolution approving tentatively

842
00:51:05,274 --> 00:51:08,714
award of water well improvements project.

843
00:51:11,134 --> 00:51:12,334
That is consent agenda.

844
00:51:13,274 --> 00:51:14,314
What's the pleasure of council?

845
00:51:15,174 --> 00:51:16,454
What'd you say?

846
00:51:17,274 --> 00:51:18,274
Tentatively approving?

847
00:51:19,714 --> 00:51:23,314
Yes, for adopt resolution approving

848
00:51:23,374 --> 00:51:23,794
tentative

849
00:51:24,954 --> 00:51:27,634
award of water well improvements project.

850
00:51:27,674 --> 00:51:28,594
That was added to the

851
00:51:30,174 --> 00:51:30,694
agenda.

852
00:51:36,654 --> 00:51:38,314
The water wells improvement project.

853
00:51:38,894 --> 00:51:41,554
Are we approving it or are we tentatively approving it?

854
00:51:43,014 --> 00:51:45,114
It says "tentative." So it's tentative. Mm-hmm.

855
00:51:47,114 --> 00:51:48,454
What's tentative?

856
00:51:49,334 --> 00:51:50,544
Tentative. Well, I'm about-

857
00:51:54,254 --> 00:51:58,034
It says contingent upon receipt of the loan approval by the Local Government

858
00:51:58,094 --> 00:52:00,344
Commission, so I guess it's probably really not tentative now anymore.

859
00:52:00,344 --> 00:52:01,574
It's not tentative.

860
00:52:01,654 --> 00:52:01,874
Yeah.

861
00:52:01,994 --> 00:52:02,734
Right.

862
00:52:02,754 --> 00:52:02,764
Yeah.

863
00:52:02,774 --> 00:52:02,934
Right.

864
00:52:03,034 --> 00:52:03,274
Okay.

865
00:52:03,834 --> 00:52:03,994
Yeah.

866
00:52:04,274 --> 00:52:07,324
Yeah. So remove the word, it would be adopt resolution approving

867
00:52:07,914 --> 00:52:11,234
award of water wells improvement project. Thank you, Derek.

868
00:52:13,734 --> 00:52:14,854
Yes.

869
00:52:14,934 --> 00:52:18,814
So that will be the only change under the consent. I do apologize for that.

870
00:52:19,314 --> 00:52:21,574
I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented.

871
00:52:22,214 --> 00:52:23,674
Second.

872
00:52:23,754 --> 00:52:25,414
All in favor let me know by saying aye.

873
00:52:25,514 --> 00:52:26,094
Aye.

874
00:52:26,514 --> 00:52:28,514
Motion so carried. Thank you.

875
00:52:29,754 --> 00:52:30,234
Next,

876
00:52:36,074 --> 00:52:36,764
we will go to

877
00:52:37,814 --> 00:52:40,434
consideration discussion floating dock donation.

878
00:52:42,434 --> 00:52:45,114
Any addition, discussion, or

879
00:52:45,914 --> 00:52:46,594
materials?

880
00:52:47,774 --> 00:52:49,994
Mr. Mayor, I'll be happy to address that briefly.

881
00:52:50,294 --> 00:52:51,574
During the last meeting,

882
00:52:52,634 --> 00:52:56,474
I indicated to council that I have not had a chance to review the grant

883
00:52:56,554 --> 00:53:00,213
documents associated with the Coast Guard park. I've now done that.

884
00:53:00,694 --> 00:53:02,914
There is no problem at all with the grant

885
00:53:03,834 --> 00:53:07,714
administrators with our accepting this donation, should council decide to

886
00:53:07,754 --> 00:53:11,514
do so. If you vote to accept the donation, I would just

887
00:53:11,534 --> 00:53:15,294
propose that I meet with Ms. Terry Berry, and that we

888
00:53:15,334 --> 00:53:18,734
draft an agreement whereby the city accepts the

889
00:53:18,774 --> 00:53:22,304
donation, and it's clear that even though

890
00:53:22,734 --> 00:53:26,594
the rowing club can use the docks whenever they would like to,

891
00:53:26,674 --> 00:53:30,274
they are not able to exclude others from the public from doing

892
00:53:30,394 --> 00:53:30,674
so.

893
00:53:31,794 --> 00:53:32,114
And,

894
00:53:32,914 --> 00:53:36,514
I just want to make sure that we have run this by

895
00:53:36,654 --> 00:53:40,454
our insurance carrier that for liability purposes it's not going to be a

896
00:53:40,474 --> 00:53:40,954
problem.

897
00:53:43,534 --> 00:53:44,374
Any questions?

898
00:53:45,834 --> 00:53:46,574
Pleasure of council?

899
00:53:46,734 --> 00:53:48,234
Motion to approve as presented.

900
00:53:48,634 --> 00:53:49,114
Second.

901
00:53:49,704 --> 00:53:53,054
Motion been properly made and seconded. Any discussion or debate?

902
00:53:54,174 --> 00:53:56,154
Being none, all in favor let me know by saying aye.

903
00:53:56,324 --> 00:53:56,324
Aye.

904
00:53:56,354 --> 00:54:00,174
Opposed? Motion so carried. Thank you to

905
00:54:00,274 --> 00:54:00,574
the...

906
00:54:05,734 --> 00:54:06,854
Chesapeake City Rowing Club.

907
00:54:06,934 --> 00:54:10,434
Exactly. Thank you so much, and we look forward to being able to continue,

908
00:54:11,754 --> 00:54:13,994
so now JV won't have to stay out as late.

909
00:54:16,014 --> 00:54:16,474
Next,

910
00:54:19,134 --> 00:54:22,194
North Carolina DOT U 5939.

911
00:54:26,554 --> 00:54:29,394
I believe that was removed on 8/24.

912
00:54:31,794 --> 00:54:31,994
Mm-hmm.

913
00:54:33,834 --> 00:54:37,414
So this was... I'll let staff address that.

914
00:54:37,714 --> 00:54:38,014
Okay.

915
00:54:38,874 --> 00:54:40,134
This is just for

916
00:54:40,934 --> 00:54:42,594
removing the

917
00:54:43,246 --> 00:54:47,126
Electric infrastructure to allow DOT to do their road

918
00:54:47,166 --> 00:54:50,045
improvements out near Oak Stump Road.

919
00:54:50,486 --> 00:54:54,426
I don't know if the council will remember, the state is doing a road

920
00:54:54,506 --> 00:54:57,886
improvement on Hughes Boulevard from

921
00:54:58,466 --> 00:55:02,126
Oak Stump Road up to North Road Street, which

922
00:55:02,206 --> 00:55:04,866
will contain some proposed roundabouts.

923
00:55:05,566 --> 00:55:09,256
So this is their project, but they're starting in the Oak Stump

924
00:55:09,326 --> 00:55:12,956
Road area. And when our city crews, electric

925
00:55:13,026 --> 00:55:14,846
crews, will remove the infrastructure,

926
00:55:17,126 --> 00:55:20,426
they will reimburse us for removing that infrastructure.

927
00:55:20,446 --> 00:55:23,046
And they have estimated that that costs us

928
00:55:23,056 --> 00:55:26,646
$233,522.10.

929
00:55:27,646 --> 00:55:29,686
However, we have to pay up front for it.

930
00:55:30,706 --> 00:55:32,726
So that is what they're asking.

931
00:55:34,266 --> 00:55:36,826
This is basically how they do this.

932
00:55:37,786 --> 00:55:41,206
They get the cities to pay it up front, then they do the reimbursement later.

933
00:55:42,226 --> 00:55:42,446
So

934
00:55:43,706 --> 00:55:45,986
that's what the state has asked us to do.

935
00:55:47,786 --> 00:55:48,506
Yeah. Question.

936
00:55:50,906 --> 00:55:53,466
And we do have ownership of those lines, correct?

937
00:55:53,526 --> 00:55:56,046
I mean, we have proven that we do own those lines?

938
00:55:56,546 --> 00:55:56,806
Yeah.

939
00:55:58,006 --> 00:55:58,486
We do.

940
00:56:00,286 --> 00:56:02,346
And so we will get this reimbursed.

941
00:56:03,746 --> 00:56:07,426
And so this is what's leading

942
00:56:07,486 --> 00:56:08,266
to the

943
00:56:09,306 --> 00:56:11,686
roundabout just for that one?

944
00:56:13,846 --> 00:56:14,946
This is just for that area.

945
00:56:14,976 --> 00:56:14,976
For that area.

946
00:56:14,986 --> 00:56:18,906
This is starting a project. It's starting down in the Oak Stump Road

947
00:56:18,986 --> 00:56:22,946
area, but like I stated, it's going up Hughes Boulevard all the way

948
00:56:22,966 --> 00:56:26,646
to the North Road area, with several roundabouts at those

949
00:56:26,706 --> 00:56:27,426
intersections.

950
00:56:28,386 --> 00:56:31,926
And the reason why I ask those questions, because I know that this council went on

951
00:56:32,006 --> 00:56:34,886
record of sending a letter to the DOT,

952
00:56:37,626 --> 00:56:40,686
in opposition of roundabouts. And so

953
00:56:42,366 --> 00:56:44,126
the question that I guess that

954
00:56:45,326 --> 00:56:46,066
to

955
00:56:47,086 --> 00:56:47,966
put forward is,

956
00:56:49,306 --> 00:56:50,786
with the letter that we sent,

957
00:56:51,786 --> 00:56:55,626
this council, I think it was an 8-0 vote, if I'm not mistaken.

958
00:56:56,506 --> 00:56:56,966
Does that-

959
00:56:57,886 --> 00:56:59,386
This is a different project

960
00:57:00,726 --> 00:57:02,306
Right. This is the one in front of, I call it-

961
00:57:02,746 --> 00:57:03,476
This is the one down by-

962
00:57:03,496 --> 00:57:03,966
... Movie Tuesday

963
00:57:04,086 --> 00:57:05,406
... City restaurant.

964
00:57:05,806 --> 00:57:06,606
Right. That's right.

965
00:57:07,046 --> 00:57:07,746
It's going to be right there

966
00:57:08,686 --> 00:57:11,766
at Northeastern High School. It's going to be right there at Northeastern High

967
00:57:11,786 --> 00:57:11,866
School.

968
00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:13,156
It's down further, where you turn to go to Northeastern.

969
00:57:13,346 --> 00:57:13,746
Right.

970
00:57:13,786 --> 00:57:17,546
Which is a very dangerous intersection, and they've been talking about doing this

971
00:57:17,566 --> 00:57:20,546
for years. This will make that a much safer

972
00:57:22,126 --> 00:57:23,946
way to get through that intersection.

973
00:57:24,426 --> 00:57:28,416
But this is not connected with the project that came out of

974
00:57:28,426 --> 00:57:31,186
here and we sent that letter. Again, this is something different.

975
00:57:31,546 --> 00:57:33,366
Yeah, I just thought, well, roundabouts, so I'm like-

976
00:57:33,516 --> 00:57:33,946
Yeah. Well, I know

977
00:57:33,956 --> 00:57:35,366
... Yeah. Is that one-

978
00:57:35,506 --> 00:57:36,946
They've been talking about this for years.

979
00:57:37,786 --> 00:57:41,606
Basically, as Mr. Goodson said, this is the way they do

980
00:57:41,686 --> 00:57:44,386
things. It's our equipment, our stuff.

981
00:57:44,426 --> 00:57:48,086
They ask us to move it so they can do the work they need to do.

982
00:57:49,446 --> 00:57:53,106
So when we pay the 200 plus

983
00:57:53,186 --> 00:57:53,555
thousand-

984
00:57:54,966 --> 00:57:58,746
That is for material. We still have to put the job out for bid

985
00:57:58,806 --> 00:58:00,016
for the contractors.

986
00:58:00,926 --> 00:58:04,826
So once all that's done, then once the job's completed, they will pay us

987
00:58:04,866 --> 00:58:07,286
back, 100% guarantee. I have the email for that.

988
00:58:07,366 --> 00:58:11,046
So whatever we spend, DOT's going to pay us back because we're not asking to move

989
00:58:11,066 --> 00:58:12,096
it. They want to move it, so...

990
00:58:13,226 --> 00:58:16,526
So do we have that, I know we have the funds.

991
00:58:18,366 --> 00:58:19,506
Do we need to do any budget?

992
00:58:23,366 --> 00:58:23,746
Any

993
00:58:25,866 --> 00:58:26,675
budget amendment?

994
00:58:26,746 --> 00:58:30,276
That's the motion, is for council to direct staff to identify and

995
00:58:30,326 --> 00:58:33,276
secure an internal funding source for the required

996
00:58:33,276 --> 00:58:40,525
materials.

997
00:58:43,446 --> 00:58:46,406
At that workshop call, everybody was against roundabouts.

998
00:58:46,426 --> 00:58:46,996
Yeah, I know.

999
00:58:47,376 --> 00:58:49,866
And I just want to make sure that, before we...

1000
00:58:51,426 --> 00:58:55,036
Roundabouts are just, I guess that's the way for the future, so...

1001
00:58:55,066 --> 00:58:56,186
Okay. So I'm missing something.

1002
00:58:57,646 --> 00:58:58,366
Okay. So

1003
00:58:59,206 --> 00:59:00,426
DOT wants to do this?

1004
00:59:01,606 --> 00:59:02,386
Because it's their road.

1005
00:59:02,645 --> 00:59:04,746
Okay. So why aren't they fronting their own money?

1006
00:59:06,006 --> 00:59:09,426
The process is always they want our

1007
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:10,166
utilities.

1008
00:59:11,346 --> 00:59:13,826
They're the city of Elizabeth City poles and lines.

1009
00:59:13,986 --> 00:59:17,706
Yeah, but see, with DOT, like for the water and sewer, they would move that

1010
00:59:17,746 --> 00:59:21,646
because they got people to do it, but electric, DOT would not touch that

1011
00:59:21,686 --> 00:59:21,966
at all.

1012
00:59:23,186 --> 00:59:25,836
So we have to pay it up front, and then they pay us back.

1013
00:59:25,926 --> 00:59:29,566
For anything else, like if it's water and sewer, they pay you up front, because

1014
00:59:29,606 --> 00:59:33,366
they would move it their self, but they don't deal with power or contractors.

1015
00:59:35,866 --> 00:59:36,826
But they want it done.

1016
00:59:40,746 --> 00:59:40,946
Now,

1017
00:59:42,126 --> 00:59:42,526
do you

1018
00:59:44,946 --> 00:59:45,346
charge

1019
00:59:46,206 --> 00:59:50,146
an administrative fee? I mean, obviously we're having to handle a lot of money

1020
00:59:50,166 --> 00:59:53,476
back and forth. I mean, it's taking time off of somebody's-

1021
00:59:54,346 --> 00:59:54,416
Yes

1022
00:59:54,566 --> 00:59:55,336
... plate.

1023
00:59:55,346 --> 00:59:59,326
Because we have to pay, when we've done this project, progressive engineer, Rocky,

1024
00:59:59,446 --> 01:00:03,356
has this, because he does a lot with DOT, so they had to do new stake and

1025
01:00:03,406 --> 01:00:07,076
sheets and all that, where they move the lines and the back to easements and

1026
01:00:07,126 --> 01:00:10,766
everything. So he's the one that does the material list and sends the

1027
01:00:10,806 --> 01:00:14,726
contracts out for bid. So we have to charge them for his

1028
01:00:14,786 --> 01:00:15,346
time, too.

1029
01:00:16,226 --> 01:00:16,426
Okay.

1030
01:00:17,786 --> 01:00:18,106
Question.

1031
01:00:18,896 --> 01:00:19,106
Yes, sir.

1032
01:00:20,446 --> 01:00:22,566
Do we make any money off of this?

1033
01:00:23,966 --> 01:00:25,406
Not per se. It's

1034
01:00:26,606 --> 01:00:28,866
going to upgrade our system. It's going to help us out, so.

1035
01:00:28,966 --> 01:00:29,706
And it's going to help us out?

1036
01:00:29,766 --> 01:00:32,566
Yeah. Long run, you got new poles, new lines, new everything.

1037
01:00:32,626 --> 01:00:32,766
Just-

1038
01:00:32,996 --> 01:00:33,306
They can't follow that.

1039
01:00:33,466 --> 01:00:35,506
Yeah. So they're going to reimburse us for it.

1040
01:00:36,406 --> 01:00:36,416
Okay.

1041
01:00:36,446 --> 01:00:37,116
Will it be underground?

1042
01:00:37,806 --> 01:00:41,386
No. If we want to go underground, we will have to pay the difference.

1043
01:00:41,426 --> 01:00:45,386
So they wouldn't repay us for any upgrade. So that's going to be an upgrade.

1044
01:00:45,426 --> 01:00:47,386
They're just putting back what was there.

1045
01:00:47,426 --> 01:00:50,226
So they're going to put new poles and everything, but if we want to go underground,

1046
01:00:50,286 --> 01:00:53,306
we have to pay extra. So we have to pay that for that.

1047
01:00:53,666 --> 01:00:56,225
Can you just bring back a quote? I mean, that won't hold up the vote tonight.

1048
01:00:56,266 --> 01:00:56,486
Okay.

1049
01:00:56,586 --> 01:00:57,226
But if you can just-

1050
01:00:57,686 --> 01:00:59,286
How much it is to put everything underground?

1051
01:01:03,016 --> 01:01:03,756
Okay.

1052
01:01:05,296 --> 01:01:06,176
Any other questions?

1053
01:01:08,116 --> 01:01:08,896
Pledge of Council?

1054
01:01:10,176 --> 01:01:11,356
Make a motion to approve.

1055
01:01:12,096 --> 01:01:12,436
Second.

1056
01:01:13,056 --> 01:01:15,896
Motion been properly made and seconded.

1057
01:01:16,256 --> 01:01:20,076
Any other discussion or debate? Being none, all in favor let me know by saying

1058
01:01:20,086 --> 01:01:20,536
"aye."

1059
01:01:21,006 --> 01:01:21,006
Aye.

1060
01:01:21,036 --> 01:01:24,516
Opposed? Motion so carried. Thank you.

1061
01:01:25,776 --> 01:01:26,076
Next,

1062
01:01:27,016 --> 01:01:29,936
consideration discussion, holiday premium pay.

1063
01:01:30,596 --> 01:01:33,996
Asked for some information to come back, turn it over to the city manager.

1064
01:01:34,796 --> 01:01:38,096
Sir, we was asked to talk to Attorney Lightey

1065
01:01:38,876 --> 01:01:42,556
to give some more input on whether we should pay premium pay

1066
01:01:42,616 --> 01:01:44,476
for employees that are on call.

1067
01:01:45,476 --> 01:01:48,096
Dr. Johnson talked with Attorney Lightey.

1068
01:01:49,236 --> 01:01:50,676
Dr. Johnson, you'd like to report this?

1069
01:01:56,356 --> 01:01:57,216
Good evening, everyone.

1070
01:01:58,096 --> 01:01:59,836
I didn't actually speak to him face-to-face.

1071
01:01:59,936 --> 01:02:03,676
I did send him an email that night of the council meeting and posed two

1072
01:02:03,756 --> 01:02:06,396
questions to him. The first one was, are there any

1073
01:02:06,676 --> 01:02:10,436
FLSA laws that would need to be considered

1074
01:02:10,796 --> 01:02:14,756
or any other relevant factors which the city would need to consider

1075
01:02:14,916 --> 01:02:17,816
pros and cons of the holiday and premium pay?

1076
01:02:18,236 --> 01:02:21,996
His response pretty much was that FLSA does not prohibit

1077
01:02:22,056 --> 01:02:25,736
providing premium pay or some other additional benefit to

1078
01:02:25,776 --> 01:02:29,676
employees for working certain shifts or after usual hours

1079
01:02:29,716 --> 01:02:33,496
or during emergencies. The 40-hour threshold would have to be

1080
01:02:33,506 --> 01:02:37,186
met, and also FLSA does not

1081
01:02:37,236 --> 01:02:39,596
necessarily require such payments.

1082
01:02:39,656 --> 01:02:42,156
I have to lift this up, I don't have on my glasses.

1083
01:02:42,196 --> 01:02:45,316
Such payments for non-exempt employees being on call.

1084
01:02:46,636 --> 01:02:50,076
And then the other question about

1085
01:02:50,116 --> 01:02:53,976
familiarity with the other electric cities and how they handle

1086
01:02:54,036 --> 01:02:57,866
it, and he mentioned that he was aware of a few towns, mostly in Deer County,

1087
01:02:58,316 --> 01:03:02,096
that are not a part of the electric cities, and they provide for premium

1088
01:03:02,136 --> 01:03:06,076
pay when employees have to respond on call or after hours, and that works

1089
01:03:06,136 --> 01:03:09,836
well for them. But he's also aware of some towns that provide just a

1090
01:03:09,896 --> 01:03:13,516
flat rate when those employees come out and work as well.

1091
01:03:15,036 --> 01:03:17,815
That summarizes the email correspondence.

1092
01:03:19,556 --> 01:03:20,836
Questions from city council?

1093
01:03:26,116 --> 01:03:27,196
What's the pledge of council?

1094
01:03:31,636 --> 01:03:33,856
Make a motion to approve the staff recommendation.

1095
01:03:35,096 --> 01:03:35,436
Second.

1096
01:03:36,376 --> 01:03:39,316
Motion been properly made and seconded to approve the staff

1097
01:03:39,356 --> 01:03:42,256
recommendation. Any discussion or debate?

1098
01:03:43,405 --> 01:03:43,676
Um,

1099
01:03:46,076 --> 01:03:48,496
Mr. Manager.

1100
01:03:48,716 --> 01:03:48,976
Yes, sir.

1101
01:03:49,916 --> 01:03:52,176
Is this... I just want to make sure I'm reading this correctly.

1102
01:03:52,796 --> 01:03:54,516
I know we spoke about this item.

1103
01:03:59,336 --> 01:04:02,696
Is this just for the actual day of the holiday?

1104
01:04:04,696 --> 01:04:08,546
It is for the time that they are called out during the holiday, whatever hour

1105
01:04:08,676 --> 01:04:09,136
those are.

1106
01:04:09,376 --> 01:04:12,036
But what I'm saying is, let's use Thanksgiving for an

1107
01:04:12,076 --> 01:04:13,396
example.

1108
01:04:15,676 --> 01:04:17,836
Does this premium pay just cover

1109
01:04:18,676 --> 01:04:22,556
Thanksgiving Day on Thursday or because city's offices

1110
01:04:22,576 --> 01:04:26,296
are closed, it also covers Thursday, Friday,

1111
01:04:28,296 --> 01:04:31,196
and then does it go into Saturday and Sunday?

1112
01:04:31,956 --> 01:04:33,336
That's what they were requesting.

1113
01:04:33,576 --> 01:04:35,366
What, Deputy White, uh-

1114
01:04:35,376 --> 01:04:35,685
The answer is.

1115
01:04:36,436 --> 01:04:38,896
They were requesting to get paid any time they come out.

1116
01:04:38,936 --> 01:04:40,426
Any time for any holiday.

1117
01:04:41,016 --> 01:04:44,396
And exclusive of the 40-hour work week.

1118
01:04:44,416 --> 01:04:48,316
But what happens, if we're on Thursday and Friday for Thanksgiving,

1119
01:04:49,176 --> 01:04:52,976
then they haven't worked a 40-hour week because those are

1120
01:04:53,036 --> 01:04:56,416
vacation days. They're asking to get paid overtime,

1121
01:04:57,896 --> 01:04:58,276
correct?

1122
01:04:58,436 --> 01:04:58,616
Yes.

1123
01:04:58,656 --> 01:05:00,076
For that Thursday and Friday.

1124
01:05:00,376 --> 01:05:00,656
Mm-hmm.

1125
01:05:00,916 --> 01:05:04,316
So they don't have to meet the 40-hour work week.

1126
01:05:04,356 --> 01:05:04,386
No.

1127
01:05:04,436 --> 01:05:08,036
If they're called out over holidays, they will get paid

1128
01:05:08,276 --> 01:05:10,796
overtime for it. That's what they are requesting.

1129
01:05:10,806 --> 01:05:11,736
Yeah, they can't get paid overtime-

1130
01:05:12,176 --> 01:05:12,236
Hmm?

1131
01:05:12,276 --> 01:05:13,646
Because they haven't worked 40 hours.

1132
01:05:13,856 --> 01:05:14,286
Oh, premium pay.

1133
01:05:14,316 --> 01:05:15,456
So they get premium pay.

1134
01:05:15,496 --> 01:05:16,266
Premium pay, yes.

1135
01:05:16,266 --> 01:05:17,016
Yeah, they get premium pay.

1136
01:05:17,056 --> 01:05:17,436
That's what they request.

1137
01:05:17,456 --> 01:05:18,176
That's the problem.

1138
01:05:18,636 --> 01:05:19,116
Question.

1139
01:05:19,156 --> 01:05:21,435
That's why they can't get overtime. They haven't worked 40 hours.

1140
01:05:22,176 --> 01:05:22,315
But-

1141
01:05:22,396 --> 01:05:25,816
This takes the place of overtime.

1142
01:05:28,356 --> 01:05:29,276
Premium pay.

1143
01:05:29,896 --> 01:05:30,256
Overtime pay.

1144
01:05:30,276 --> 01:05:31,606
My first question is,

1145
01:05:34,936 --> 01:05:37,366
it also affects sick, vacation, and

1146
01:05:39,256 --> 01:05:42,156
whatever other hours that they're off during that time?

1147
01:05:46,196 --> 01:05:47,516
We didn't explore that.

1148
01:05:47,556 --> 01:05:49,496
It shouldn't, but does it?

1149
01:05:49,536 --> 01:05:51,116
Does it affect sick and vacation time?

1150
01:05:54,556 --> 01:05:57,756
I don't think it should either. They don't get sick and vacation for that.

1151
01:05:57,876 --> 01:05:58,036
Yeah.

1152
01:05:58,256 --> 01:05:59,015
I don't think that-

1153
01:05:59,276 --> 01:06:00,936
So is that going to be written in the policy?

1154
01:06:04,036 --> 01:06:04,726
That's what I...

1155
01:06:05,896 --> 01:06:06,036
Huh?

1156
01:06:06,116 --> 01:06:07,226
That's what I... Put that in there.

1157
01:06:07,385 --> 01:06:09,536
And my other question is, how does that affect

1158
01:06:11,416 --> 01:06:11,836
the

1159
01:06:12,956 --> 01:06:16,936
police department? The fire department is different because they're on the 112.

1160
01:06:17,856 --> 01:06:20,216
But other departments that also have to...

1161
01:06:23,316 --> 01:06:26,756
Particular public works, there's several public works departments that have to do

1162
01:06:26,776 --> 01:06:30,316
the same thing. Is this just electric department or is this

1163
01:06:30,956 --> 01:06:31,636
all departments?

1164
01:06:31,676 --> 01:06:35,476
For everyone who's on call, what I understand, except police and fire.

1165
01:06:36,756 --> 01:06:38,876
Everyone except police and fire that's on

1166
01:06:38,896 --> 01:06:41,796
call, sir.

1167
01:06:46,436 --> 01:06:50,296
Mr. Manager, I know when we discussed this at the meeting last,

1168
01:06:50,356 --> 01:06:54,006
two weeks ago as well, we were going to look and see what other

1169
01:06:54,056 --> 01:06:54,516
cities

1170
01:06:55,676 --> 01:06:59,656
that offer utilities were doing. Did we research

1171
01:06:59,716 --> 01:07:03,476
that to find out what similar cities do?

1172
01:07:03,616 --> 01:07:05,135
I understand what

1173
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,840
The attorney said, but that's primarily discussing Adair County,

1174
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,860
but if we research what other municipalities have

1175
01:07:13,900 --> 01:07:15,840
done, I know we talked about that.

1176
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,840
I have talked to other people. They

1177
01:07:19,180 --> 01:07:22,290
do holiday pay. Let's say if I was

1178
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,140
off Tuesday,

1179
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,660
and I was on vacation, if I

1180
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:31,200
was off Tuesday, then come to work Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

1181
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,040
If I come in on Saturday or Sunday, that's overtime because that's outside

1182
01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:39,000
of my regular work week. So then when the holidays come, you got

1183
01:07:39,060 --> 01:07:41,700
other cities paying their employees triple time.

1184
01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:46,140
And what the problem is happening with these guys that's not getting paid,

1185
01:07:46,540 --> 01:07:48,380
what's the incentive of them coming into work?

1186
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,000
They leaving their family and all this stuff. It ain't nothing for them.

1187
01:07:52,060 --> 01:07:55,030
So, a lot of my guys are like, "Well, if they don't want to give me the pay, I'm

1188
01:07:55,060 --> 01:07:58,980
not coming in. What is the need for me to rush in and get power

1189
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,390
back on if nobody's giving me the pay for it?"

1190
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,950
That's it. No.

1191
01:08:04,980 --> 01:08:06,900
So then you just stuck with two guys on call.

1192
01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:10,520
Then if you have a pole break, city's going to be out of power for a while.

1193
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:13,940
Councilman Jackson?

1194
01:08:15,580 --> 01:08:17,960
To address what he just said about the guys that's been sitting.

1195
01:08:20,260 --> 01:08:21,061
As an employee,

1196
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:26,200
you're subject to be called, if it's an emergency.

1197
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:29,760
So they understand that part. That you can be called back.

1198
01:08:31,061 --> 01:08:33,080
For them to say, "Well, what's the need for me to report?"

1199
01:08:33,380 --> 01:08:33,400
Right.

1200
01:08:33,431 --> 01:08:34,260
Because it's your job.

1201
01:08:34,660 --> 01:08:34,840
Yeah.

1202
01:08:35,431 --> 01:08:36,760
That's the reason that they report-

1203
01:08:36,771 --> 01:08:36,771
That's it

1204
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,771
... because it's their job. Now,

1205
01:08:39,641 --> 01:08:42,190
I understand you want to get compensated if you're sitting around the house and

1206
01:08:42,221 --> 01:08:45,721
your wife just took the turkey out of the oven and you got to leave.

1207
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:49,420
Well, you want to get some type of compensation, which I understand that.

1208
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,820
So we want to figure out a way to make sure that these guys are taken

1209
01:08:54,891 --> 01:08:58,200
care of when they're doing things that are above and beyond what

1210
01:08:58,221 --> 01:09:00,021
normal employees are doing.

1211
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,030
The normal employee would likely be home enjoying his family.

1212
01:09:05,101 --> 01:09:06,561
He's not subject to be called out.

1213
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:07,610
That's for sure.

1214
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:09,500
But these guys that work public works,

1215
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,820
the sewer guys, the guys that work electrical, anything could

1216
01:09:14,889 --> 01:09:18,740
happen, and they got to drop everything they doing and try to come and get the city

1217
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:22,360
back in order, whether it be the water or the electrical or whatever the

1218
01:09:22,380 --> 01:09:26,300
situation may be. So, I'm all

1219
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:30,110
for compensating these guys in some way, shape, or form because

1220
01:09:30,141 --> 01:09:32,340
it's outside of their normal scope.

1221
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,800
If they're on call, having a pager or whatever the case may be, and that

1222
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:38,760
thing goes off, they got to go.

1223
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:40,601
They can't get paid.

1224
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:41,811
I know a lot of places,

1225
01:09:42,721 --> 01:09:46,420
when they carrying that pager, whether it goes off or not,

1226
01:09:47,260 --> 01:09:50,990
they get X amount of money just to hold that pager, whether it goes off or not.

1227
01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:54,800
And then once they get called out, then they will start receiving their hourly

1228
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:57,340
pay at a minimum of two hours,

1229
01:09:58,580 --> 01:10:00,120
if they're only called out for 30 minutes.

1230
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,460
But then if it's over two hours, then they get their regular

1231
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:05,680
pay.

1232
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:12,860
And her question was the weekend, the Saturday and Sunday, would not

1233
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:14,940
count because it's not considered a holiday pay.

1234
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:18,140
Just that Thursday and Friday would be considered the holiday pay.

1235
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,640
Christmas sometimes is three days.

1236
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,960
If it's Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, they would get paid if they got called out any

1237
01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:25,800
of those days, but anything Saturday and Sunday,

1238
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:28,740
they wouldn't get that premium pay.

1239
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:34,620
I got another question.

1240
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,000
Yeah.

1241
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,470
And the premium pay is equal to-

1242
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,050
Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, go right ahead.

1243
01:10:40,050 --> 01:10:40,800
You're right.

1244
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,420
The premium pay, how much is that determined to

1245
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:46,200
be? Who determines that?

1246
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,060
You saying I determine that?

1247
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,880
Yeah, the city council will make that determination.

1248
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:52,830
I don't know. The city-

1249
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:53,330
City council

1250
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,700
... should get them to prepare.

1251
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:58,660
The city council makes that determination.

1252
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,150
So it needs to be in the policy. If council wants to move

1253
01:11:05,150 --> 01:11:05,640
forward-

1254
01:11:05,650 --> 01:11:05,949
Yeah. Then they got to set a policy

1255
01:11:05,949 --> 01:11:08,120
... with this, there needs to be a policy and all that needs to be written in it.

1256
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,800
To approve the proposed amendment. This is voting to change.

1257
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:12,160
Oh.

1258
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:13,660
This is voting to change.

1259
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:17,160
Mr. Mayor, Council. Mayor Pro Tem.

1260
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:22,820
I'm

1261
01:11:22,859 --> 01:11:26,260
like Councilman Jackson. I'd like to find a way to make this work.

1262
01:11:26,340 --> 01:11:30,300
Now, and I'll be honest, I'm not 100% in favor of doing it on

1263
01:11:30,380 --> 01:11:31,420
just using the Thanksgiving

1264
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,950
example and doing it both on Thursday and Friday to start with.

1265
01:11:35,950 --> 01:11:39,380
I think there's a balance here that obviously,

1266
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:45,000
we have a budget to balance as well, and this has impacts

1267
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,930
to what that is. We don't know what that premium pay is,

1268
01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:52,500
and according to the memo, it's saying that we're going to vote tonight to amend

1269
01:11:52,540 --> 01:11:55,610
the personnel policy, and it's hard to amend a personnel policy if you don't know

1270
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:56,640
what the rate is. So,

1271
01:11:57,940 --> 01:12:01,850
I know we've got a motion on the table, but I would respectfully ask that

1272
01:12:03,100 --> 01:12:06,960
the maker of that motion pull that back until we've got an actual

1273
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:09,280
policy with figures in here and

1274
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,240
clear. Yeah, listen to the discussion.

1275
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,000
I agree with Mr. Biggs. I think

1276
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,900
what we really need is for staff to develop the policy

1277
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,460
so we can clearly understand what it is we're voting on.

1278
01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:27,440
And, so I'll withdraw my motion.

1279
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,420
Okay. So the maker of the motion has withdrawn.

1280
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:31,030
The

1281
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,160
floor is back open. There's no motion on the floor.

1282
01:12:37,620 --> 01:12:37,800
So,

1283
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:39,740
how do we determine,

1284
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,440
or how is it determined what the premium is?

1285
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,720
I know y'all said the council, but that's not our profession.

1286
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:51,340
It's our profession to approve it, what's presented to us.

1287
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,420
But how do we come up with the numbers? How do we come up with the fees?

1288
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,340
I wouldn't know where to begin on how much to pay these guys as a

1289
01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:05,320
premium. I'm not sure if anybody else up here does, but as

1290
01:13:05,380 --> 01:13:07,840
a premium, how do we come up with the premium fee?

1291
01:13:08,464 --> 01:13:12,343
In Attorney Lighty's email, he also made a recommendation that you

1292
01:13:12,584 --> 01:13:16,323
consider in multiples. So is it going to be double time, for example?

1293
01:13:16,924 --> 01:13:20,784
Um, so that has to be taken into consideration of course, with the budget as

1294
01:13:20,844 --> 01:13:23,444
well. Let's identify in multiples.

1295
01:13:24,964 --> 01:13:27,674
I have Councilman Gibbs, I have Councilwoman Cartwright, I have-

1296
01:13:27,674 --> 01:13:30,824
That's confusing to me. Um, yeah, I'm going to say no.

1297
01:13:31,504 --> 01:13:33,424
That's even more confusing to me now.

1298
01:13:34,634 --> 01:13:38,474
Deputy Director White said some places he know of, they

1299
01:13:38,524 --> 01:13:40,903
play triple time. Some places probably play double time.

1300
01:13:40,913 --> 01:13:41,824
An hourly rate.

1301
01:13:42,004 --> 01:13:44,224
So we'd have to bring the policy back,

1302
01:13:45,104 --> 01:13:45,664
and council-

1303
01:13:46,504 --> 01:13:46,944
If they-

1304
01:13:47,044 --> 01:13:48,844
We'll bring back some examples from other cities.

1305
01:13:49,364 --> 01:13:50,154
Yeah, that's maybe what we need.

1306
01:13:50,154 --> 01:13:51,314
That's what we need to do, yeah.

1307
01:13:51,324 --> 01:13:52,044
Outside, right?

1308
01:13:52,224 --> 01:13:52,464
Right.

1309
01:13:54,644 --> 01:13:56,784
Councilman Gibbs, Councilwoman Cartwright.

1310
01:13:58,084 --> 01:14:01,844
Well, my thought is, if utilizing the word premium,

1311
01:14:02,364 --> 01:14:05,744
it would have to be something above what their normal rate of pay is.

1312
01:14:06,644 --> 01:14:09,504
If you're going above and beyond what's normal,

1313
01:14:10,244 --> 01:14:14,164
the first thing you come to is time and a half whatever your rate is, or double

1314
01:14:14,244 --> 01:14:15,844
time, or triple time.

1315
01:14:15,864 --> 01:14:16,044
Yeah.

1316
01:14:16,424 --> 01:14:17,804
So if it's going to be a premium,

1317
01:14:18,824 --> 01:14:22,144
if that's the word that's utilized, it has to be more than,

1318
01:14:23,304 --> 01:14:23,604
what their-

1319
01:14:24,264 --> 01:14:24,504
Regular

1320
01:14:24,524 --> 01:14:28,464
... regular rate. Just if easy math, if this is a $20 an hour

1321
01:14:28,484 --> 01:14:32,464
employee, that premium at a minimum should be $30, time

1322
01:14:32,484 --> 01:14:32,864
and a half.

1323
01:14:33,724 --> 01:14:35,584
It could be $40 if it's double time.

1324
01:14:36,584 --> 01:14:39,644
But if we going to... I think that'll help us as far as

1325
01:14:41,084 --> 01:14:44,284
putting a number on it. Because you got to realize what you're asking for is

1326
01:14:44,304 --> 01:14:48,204
somebody to do something outside the scope of the norm, something

1327
01:14:48,244 --> 01:14:52,144
in addition. And I don't know the

1328
01:14:52,184 --> 01:14:53,304
numbers as far as

1329
01:14:54,564 --> 01:14:55,824
how often it even occurs,

1330
01:14:56,664 --> 01:14:57,944
but I'm a firm believer in,

1331
01:14:59,724 --> 01:15:02,444
I can just steal this from Councilman Spence.

1332
01:15:03,504 --> 01:15:07,244
If our staff need to know that we're going to take care of them in the event that

1333
01:15:07,284 --> 01:15:09,604
they have to make this sacrifice.

1334
01:15:10,444 --> 01:15:13,124
So I don't think we're going to run it...

1335
01:15:13,184 --> 01:15:16,823
I think we're really overthinking this, but we do need to have documentation in

1336
01:15:16,864 --> 01:15:19,764
black and white. But I don't think this happens every

1337
01:15:20,484 --> 01:15:24,244
holiday somebody's called out. I don't think, just

1338
01:15:24,304 --> 01:15:27,924
every penny that's spent has a budget impact, but I think we just need to...

1339
01:15:28,424 --> 01:15:32,374
We can safely say it's got to be time and

1340
01:15:32,424 --> 01:15:34,604
a half or double time, whatever their normal rate is.

1341
01:15:35,444 --> 01:15:39,244
And you probably can look back in history and see how often it even

1342
01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:40,244
occurs.

1343
01:15:40,324 --> 01:15:43,424
Every Thanksgiving and Christmas, we guaranteed to get called out.

1344
01:15:43,484 --> 01:15:44,284
So a couple of times.

1345
01:15:45,364 --> 01:15:45,484
Yeah.

1346
01:15:45,524 --> 01:15:47,224
So that's only a couple of times a year.

1347
01:15:47,664 --> 01:15:47,904
Yeah.

1348
01:15:48,184 --> 01:15:52,044
So, but those guys need to know that if I have to leave or I have to

1349
01:15:52,124 --> 01:15:52,584
go to work,

1350
01:15:54,184 --> 01:15:56,844
the best way I can say it, I don't want to say they saying, "Well, it need to be

1351
01:15:56,884 --> 01:16:00,404
worth my while," but we need to show our staff out that we appreciate them.

1352
01:16:01,084 --> 01:16:04,874
Because if I'm home and I'm ready to eat, and my power go out, I want the

1353
01:16:04,944 --> 01:16:07,904
guys to leave home, go, get the power, come back home.

1354
01:16:08,384 --> 01:16:10,244
But fairly compensate them for doing that.

1355
01:16:10,404 --> 01:16:10,464
Of course.

1356
01:16:10,504 --> 01:16:11,464
I don't have a problem with it at all.

1357
01:16:11,504 --> 01:16:15,344
And the main thing is the guys, we have two guys on call from Tuesday to

1358
01:16:15,384 --> 01:16:19,014
Tuesday. They have to come into work because they're on call, so they have

1359
01:16:19,044 --> 01:16:22,914
to. But anybody else that's not on call, if something major happened, they don't

1360
01:16:22,984 --> 01:16:26,564
have to come in. So their point is, "I'm not getting paid to come in.

1361
01:16:26,644 --> 01:16:30,484
Why am I coming in to help?" But they're going to help the fellow employee, but

1362
01:16:30,844 --> 01:16:32,124
I think they should still get paid.

1363
01:16:32,164 --> 01:16:35,884
So two guys have to come in regardless, but the other ones don't have to.

1364
01:16:37,184 --> 01:16:38,344
If they want a job.

1365
01:16:38,364 --> 01:16:38,664
I'm good.

1366
01:16:38,784 --> 01:16:39,184
Okay.

1367
01:16:39,524 --> 01:16:42,344
Councilwoman Cartwright. Then I have

1368
01:16:43,784 --> 01:16:46,214
Fields, then I have Councilwoman Phillips.

1369
01:16:46,264 --> 01:16:50,064
This situation reminds me of the operating room in the hospital.

1370
01:16:50,544 --> 01:16:54,464
They have to have a schedule, they have to have a call schedule, and they have a

1371
01:16:54,544 --> 01:16:58,404
specific detailed policy for the operating room because they

1372
01:16:58,444 --> 01:17:00,404
have so many people they have to put on call.

1373
01:17:00,824 --> 01:17:02,884
But it may be worth it for...

1374
01:17:03,984 --> 01:17:07,584
I know I can get a copy of their policy specifically for the

1375
01:17:07,644 --> 01:17:11,364
operating room, that they have the same issues that you're

1376
01:17:11,424 --> 01:17:15,204
describing. So I'll be glad to get a copy of that and pass it on to

1377
01:17:15,264 --> 01:17:17,344
someone who may want to look at that.

1378
01:17:18,124 --> 01:17:21,984
It may be something in there that would help

1379
01:17:22,044 --> 01:17:25,924
you come to some kind of conclusion of what would be the best way to do

1380
01:17:25,984 --> 01:17:26,074
it.

1381
01:17:27,624 --> 01:17:28,154
Just a thought.

1382
01:17:29,303 --> 01:17:29,883
Thank you. Then Councilman Spence.

1383
01:17:29,924 --> 01:17:31,124
So I think there's...

1384
01:17:32,364 --> 01:17:34,264
Going back to the Thanksgiving scenario.

1385
01:17:35,844 --> 01:17:39,004
So if they come in and work, let's say on Wednesday and Thursday,

1386
01:17:40,064 --> 01:17:42,184
and they're paid premium pay.

1387
01:17:44,004 --> 01:17:47,504
But the job's not done, so now they've got to work Saturday and Sunday.

1388
01:17:49,244 --> 01:17:53,084
But by that time, they've worked 40 hours.

1389
01:17:54,844 --> 01:17:57,444
So now do they go back on time and a half,

1390
01:17:58,464 --> 01:18:00,364
or are they still going to be on premium pay?

1391
01:18:02,264 --> 01:18:03,464
So there's a lot of different-

1392
01:18:03,604 --> 01:18:03,844
40

1393
01:18:03,864 --> 01:18:04,534
Some variation

1394
01:18:04,534 --> 01:18:07,644
... so there's a lot of different ways to think about all this.

1395
01:18:08,424 --> 01:18:10,784
And my recommendation, Mr. Goodsun, would be

1396
01:18:11,584 --> 01:18:15,444
that you don't just email Mr. Lighty, somebody goes and sits

1397
01:18:15,504 --> 01:18:16,504
down with Mr. Lighty,

1398
01:18:17,384 --> 01:18:18,684
that you call several other

1399
01:18:20,524 --> 01:18:23,844
municipalities and see what they do, take a look at what

1400
01:18:24,964 --> 01:18:27,864
Ms. Cartwright can get for you, because it is very similar.

1401
01:18:28,284 --> 01:18:28,644
Mm-hmm.

1402
01:18:29,044 --> 01:18:29,324
And,

1403
01:18:30,284 --> 01:18:31,284
come back with a

1404
01:18:32,304 --> 01:18:34,184
policy that's clear. I

1405
01:18:35,144 --> 01:18:38,724
agree 100%, we need to compensate these folks when they come back.

1406
01:18:39,304 --> 01:18:40,344
I don't have any problem with that, but

1407
01:18:41,624 --> 01:18:44,844
what we come up with needs to be very clear and cover all

1408
01:18:44,864 --> 01:18:45,644
possibilities.

1409
01:18:46,224 --> 01:18:47,724
Okay.

1410
01:18:51,264 --> 01:18:51,904
Councilman Thompson.

1411
01:18:52,304 --> 01:18:56,084
And we're using Thanksgiving and Christmas, I guess, because they're the

1412
01:18:56,184 --> 01:18:59,644
holidays that normally there are more than one of them.

1413
01:19:00,724 --> 01:19:00,984
But,

1414
01:19:02,164 --> 01:19:03,444
I guess I got two questions.

1415
01:19:04,804 --> 01:19:06,244
We're talking about every holiday,

1416
01:19:07,204 --> 01:19:11,034
and then we're talking about the public works and electric department or,

1417
01:19:12,264 --> 01:19:13,424
and we're not talking about

1418
01:19:17,608 --> 01:19:20,448
Vacation and sick leave, or all of that's going to be built into...

1419
01:19:20,808 --> 01:19:23,418
But all of that's going to be self-explanatory. Well, no, not separate.

1420
01:19:23,748 --> 01:19:26,008
All that's going to be built in the policy whenever it's written.

1421
01:19:27,328 --> 01:19:27,668
Yes.

1422
01:19:28,648 --> 01:19:32,068
But I don't think we're looking at affecting sick and vacation time.

1423
01:19:33,108 --> 01:19:33,528
Correct?

1424
01:19:34,668 --> 01:19:34,968
Mm-mm.

1425
01:19:35,198 --> 01:19:38,548
But we'll look at how other cities are doing it, electric cities are doing it,

1426
01:19:38,588 --> 01:19:42,288
because this primarily, the electric staff has brought this to us, but it would

1427
01:19:42,308 --> 01:19:45,348
apply to public works, employees also.

1428
01:19:45,548 --> 01:19:45,648
Yeah.

1429
01:19:45,788 --> 01:19:46,648
We'll look at all of them.

1430
01:19:46,968 --> 01:19:47,908
Okay, because I don't like doing-

1431
01:19:48,148 --> 01:19:48,238
We'll look at all of them

1432
01:19:48,238 --> 01:19:49,068
... stuff just for one person.

1433
01:19:49,688 --> 01:19:49,698
Right.

1434
01:19:50,708 --> 01:19:51,908
I think it's pretty much because,

1435
01:19:52,868 --> 01:19:53,698
I think that basically

1436
01:19:55,008 --> 01:19:57,668
it would be any employee that comes in for the city of Wilmington.

1437
01:19:58,168 --> 01:19:59,528
That has to be called back in.

1438
01:19:59,568 --> 01:19:59,968
If they call in on a

1439
01:20:01,008 --> 01:20:03,508
holiday. Well, I'm just using if

1440
01:20:04,468 --> 01:20:06,158
they call in on a holiday then,

1441
01:20:07,148 --> 01:20:10,968
I kind of like the central personnel for the school

1442
01:20:11,048 --> 01:20:11,448
system.

1443
01:20:11,628 --> 01:20:12,108
Hurricane.

1444
01:20:12,588 --> 01:20:16,388
You come in, if it's a hurricane that hits the day after

1445
01:20:17,248 --> 01:20:20,888
or hits on whatever the holiday, and in this city

1446
01:20:20,988 --> 01:20:24,888
council, you get a letter from the city clerk

1447
01:20:25,648 --> 01:20:29,088
every January, I believe that identifies

1448
01:20:29,148 --> 01:20:32,308
the number of holidays that we approve every year.

1449
01:20:33,248 --> 01:20:33,948
Mm-hmm.

1450
01:20:34,168 --> 01:20:38,158
So the council does do that. And then I think, but I like that,

1451
01:20:38,288 --> 01:20:41,848
that they look at rates. I guess it's just either they're going to get double time

1452
01:20:41,888 --> 01:20:42,478
when they come in,

1453
01:20:43,508 --> 01:20:44,148
triple time,

1454
01:20:45,248 --> 01:20:49,088
or overtime, I think, I always forget, we're making it a little hard.

1455
01:20:49,488 --> 01:20:52,188
It's either going to be double time, time and a half.

1456
01:20:53,128 --> 01:20:54,728
It's like if you get 40 hours a week,

1457
01:20:55,848 --> 01:20:59,268
a person who's on an hourly rate, once he gets 40 hours,

1458
01:20:59,928 --> 01:21:03,048
starting at 40 plus is what? Time and a half.

1459
01:21:03,588 --> 01:21:03,598
Time and a half.

1460
01:21:03,668 --> 01:21:04,028
Okay.

1461
01:21:05,268 --> 01:21:09,068
So if they come in on Thanksgiving, Easter, or

1462
01:21:09,148 --> 01:21:12,388
whatever that day may be, this council can just either say we want to pay them

1463
01:21:12,428 --> 01:21:12,928
double time,

1464
01:21:13,828 --> 01:21:17,668
then that rate kicks in. If they want to pay triple time, that rate

1465
01:21:17,788 --> 01:21:21,228
kicks in. It's not going to be a specific amount because all of our employees make

1466
01:21:21,448 --> 01:21:23,628
different hourly rates.

1467
01:21:23,668 --> 01:21:23,698
Mm-hmm.

1468
01:21:23,828 --> 01:21:27,688
So if we just want to say holiday premium pay will

1469
01:21:27,728 --> 01:21:28,468
be double time.

1470
01:21:30,028 --> 01:21:33,908
I guess I'm not trying to make

1471
01:21:33,948 --> 01:21:36,768
it as difficult, but we do want to be thorough.

1472
01:21:36,808 --> 01:21:40,128
I'm not sitting here just saying, but I think it's either going to be double time,

1473
01:21:41,948 --> 01:21:43,048
because it's going to be hard to put a

1474
01:21:44,468 --> 01:21:48,448
dollar amount on it, because a person with 25 years who might

1475
01:21:48,468 --> 01:21:51,868
be making $40, he comes out, that's $80.

1476
01:21:52,488 --> 01:21:53,688
Person who just started out

1477
01:21:54,548 --> 01:21:58,468
making 20, he comes out, it's $40. So it depends

1478
01:21:58,528 --> 01:21:59,668
on which ones come out,

1479
01:22:01,018 --> 01:22:04,908
the age of the employee, but I think double time

1480
01:22:05,008 --> 01:22:07,428
to me just sounds...

1481
01:22:08,528 --> 01:22:09,088
Go on from there.

1482
01:22:09,568 --> 01:22:09,578
Well-

1483
01:22:09,588 --> 01:22:10,168
No, I think we-

1484
01:22:10,668 --> 01:22:10,748
Yeah.

1485
01:22:10,968 --> 01:22:12,868
Everybody's been around this DS twice.

1486
01:22:13,628 --> 01:22:15,378
We've already given city manager instructions-

1487
01:22:15,408 --> 01:22:15,527
That's good

1488
01:22:15,538 --> 01:22:19,308
... on what we're asking him to do. Please let's just move on and let him bring it

1489
01:22:19,328 --> 01:22:22,928
back to us so we can come up with a yay or nay.

1490
01:22:23,568 --> 01:22:26,368
Because as long as we sit here and think, we're going to come up with another

1491
01:22:26,428 --> 01:22:29,688
scenario, another scenario, then we're going to talk about the age, how long

1492
01:22:29,728 --> 01:22:32,488
they've been here, and then all that stuff will start weighing in.

1493
01:22:32,868 --> 01:22:34,348
We've already given him the instructions.

1494
01:22:34,368 --> 01:22:38,248
He already said, "We're going to contact the attorney lady, we're going to contact

1495
01:22:38,308 --> 01:22:41,088
other cities." Let's let him do his job, then we can move forward.

1496
01:22:41,488 --> 01:22:42,708
There you go.

1497
01:22:43,028 --> 01:22:46,918
I recommend that we table it until he can come bring back the information that he

1498
01:22:46,968 --> 01:22:47,628
requested.

1499
01:22:47,688 --> 01:22:47,948
Second.

1500
01:22:48,228 --> 01:22:52,048
Motion improperly made that we table this item until the next meeting,

1501
01:22:52,628 --> 01:22:55,708
and it's been seconded. All in favor, let it be known by saying aye.

1502
01:22:55,748 --> 01:22:56,328
Aye.

1503
01:22:56,388 --> 01:22:57,328
Motion so tabled.

1504
01:22:59,028 --> 01:23:02,968
Next, update 1221 Carolina Avenue

1505
01:23:03,448 --> 01:23:04,008
demolition,

1506
01:23:04,848 --> 01:23:05,548
bid progress.

1507
01:23:06,928 --> 01:23:07,528
Attorney Morgan?

1508
01:23:09,528 --> 01:23:10,588
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1509
01:23:12,028 --> 01:23:15,928
It's my understanding that Mr. Henry got a fourth

1510
01:23:16,028 --> 01:23:19,548
bid today through an informal process.

1511
01:23:19,688 --> 01:23:23,108
I don't believe that bids were solicited

1512
01:23:24,208 --> 01:23:28,068
to be submitted by a certain date, by a certain time on a

1513
01:23:28,128 --> 01:23:28,828
certain date.

1514
01:23:30,328 --> 01:23:34,148
There are a couple of things that I would like to point

1515
01:23:34,228 --> 01:23:37,907
out to council in closed session that have arisen since our last

1516
01:23:38,048 --> 01:23:38,407
meeting.

1517
01:23:39,788 --> 01:23:43,448
And if council decides to take action, we could certainly take

1518
01:23:43,528 --> 01:23:47,108
action after the closed session, if that's what the body

1519
01:23:47,748 --> 01:23:49,047
deems to be appropriate.

1520
01:23:50,708 --> 01:23:54,028
I don't know if Mr. Henry wants to add any specifics as to

1521
01:23:55,528 --> 01:23:56,788
what he got today or not.

1522
01:23:58,608 --> 01:24:02,448
There is an item on the closed session agenda for consultation with city attorney,

1523
01:24:02,468 --> 01:24:05,408
and certainly this would fit neatly there.

1524
01:24:09,128 --> 01:24:11,068
Okay. Any questions?

1525
01:24:14,508 --> 01:24:16,108
No action taken.

1526
01:24:18,148 --> 01:24:20,658
Well, let's move this item. Instead of that, let's

1527
01:24:21,528 --> 01:24:24,038
just delay this item until after closed session,

1528
01:24:25,128 --> 01:24:26,508
so we can still take action on it.

1529
01:24:27,468 --> 01:24:28,688
So with that being said,

1530
01:24:30,008 --> 01:24:33,868
does council have any business? This item

1531
01:24:33,888 --> 01:24:34,628
will now be

1532
01:24:34,688 --> 01:24:38,288
13.

1533
01:24:38,358 --> 01:24:39,148
14, I'm sorry.

1534
01:24:41,008 --> 01:24:41,018
It's fine.

1535
01:24:41,748 --> 01:24:42,088
Okay.

1536
01:24:43,348 --> 01:24:45,608
Next, we will go into closed session.

1537
01:24:45,788 --> 01:24:48,568
Is there a motion to go into closed session as allowed by NCGS

1538
01:24:48,748 --> 01:24:51,728
143-318.11?

1539
01:24:51,768 --> 01:24:53,548
Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. There's one more item.

1540
01:24:53,688 --> 01:24:53,768
Oh,

1541
01:24:54,708 --> 01:24:55,508
that's right. I'm sorry.

1542
01:24:55,548 --> 01:24:56,548
The sidewalk work.

1543
01:24:56,888 --> 01:24:59,648
Authorize additional sidewalk. That was added to the agenda.

1544
01:25:00,748 --> 01:25:04,668
Authorize additional sidewalk work from

1545
01:25:04,708 --> 01:25:06,648
the Water Street Transformation Project.

1546
01:25:07,068 --> 01:25:07,308
Mm-hmm.

1547
01:25:07,488 --> 01:25:09,008
Do we have any questions about that?

1548
01:25:10,068 --> 01:25:10,508
Thank you.

1549
01:25:11,948 --> 01:25:13,108
What's the pleasure of council?

1550
01:25:13,388 --> 01:25:14,868
Motion to approve as presented.

1551
01:25:14,968 --> 01:25:15,288
Second.

1552
01:25:16,668 --> 01:25:18,908
Motion properly made and seconded. Any discussion or debate?

1553
01:25:19,508 --> 01:25:21,468
Seeing none, all in favor of it, let me know by saying aye.

1554
01:25:21,568 --> 01:25:21,748
Aye.

1555
01:25:22,628 --> 01:25:26,248
Motion so carried. Thank you. Now, a

1556
01:25:26,328 --> 01:25:29,148
motion to go into closed session as allowed by NCGS

1557
01:25:29,288 --> 01:25:32,788
143-3181186 for

1558
01:25:32,828 --> 01:25:35,488
personnel, NCGS

1559
01:25:35,628 --> 01:25:39,488
143-318.1183, consultation with the

1560
01:25:39,508 --> 01:25:42,208
city attorney, and NCGS

1561
01:25:42,388 --> 01:25:46,108
143-318.1185,

1562
01:25:46,188 --> 01:25:49,848
contract negotiation. I believe that takes care of the items that was

1563
01:25:50,068 --> 01:25:50,388
added.

1564
01:25:51,748 --> 01:25:52,568
Land acquisition.

1565
01:25:52,578 --> 01:25:52,798
Land acquisition, which is A-

1566
01:25:53,308 --> 01:25:54,528
Four

1567
01:25:54,547 --> 01:25:57,408
... which would be NCGS

1568
01:25:57,648 --> 01:26:02,348
143-3181184.

1569
01:26:02,908 --> 01:26:03,928
Motion to go into closed session.

1570
01:26:04,168 --> 01:26:04,388
Second.

1571
01:26:05,368 --> 01:26:06,848
All in favor, let me know by saying aye.

1572
01:26:07,088 --> 01:26:07,428
Aye.

1573
01:26:07,808 --> 01:26:09,988
We will give everyone until 8:28.

1574
01:26:10,308 --> 01:26:11,288
Motion to come out of closed session.

1575
01:26:11,308 --> 01:26:12,068
8:35.

1576
01:26:12,508 --> 01:26:15,138
We might as

1577
01:26:15,138 --> 01:26:19,258
well

1578
01:26:19,258 --> 01:26:19,258
get with it.