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Good evening. And welcome to the Sherry County Board of Commissioners meeting tonight of June the 17th. We're so pleased you're here. We've got a lot of things to cover. We're going to get right down to business and start off. And with that, calling the meeting to order, I'm going to ask Commissioner Eddie Harris to lead us to the implication and pledge of allegiance. Please, sir.

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Thank you for the opportunity together here tonight to do the people's business.

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We thank you for our wonderful county, its citizens, its volunteers, the school system,

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all of the people that make the Surrey County run.

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We thank you for your grace, your mercy, and your redemption.

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We thank you for our fathers that were celebrated yesterday, dear Lord.

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we thank you for our family units in the United States of America and we thank you for the opportunity

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here to represent all of the people in Surrey County. We ask that you give us grace and guidance

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and safe travel home. We pray for our country. We pray for our government. We pray for our leaders

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Dear Lord and most of all, dear Lord, we ask that you forgive us for our sins and you watch and

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lead and guide us and may we do the people's business pleasing unto thee. We ask these things

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in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

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to

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the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God in the

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Judgment.

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Thank you, Commissioner Harris. Okay, gentlemen, you have read your agenda and it's

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quite an agenda to read. I would like a motion to get tonight's agenda approved. Do I hear a motion?

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Motion to approve, Mr. Chairman.

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Motion from Commissioner Bill going to approve the agenda to hear a second.

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Second.

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Second.

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Commissioner Mark Marion in a discussion.

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Done.

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All in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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And the agenda is approved.

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Thank you, gentlemen.

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Also, as part of your agenda packet tonight, we have some prior meeting minutes of June

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and you agree to them. I'm looking for a motion to approve these minutes to go into the record.

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Motion to approve minutes, Mr. Chairman, from the 3rd of June 2024.

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Okay, we'll have a motion to approve the June 3rd minutes. Do I hear a second?

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Second.

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Second, Commissioner Johnson. All in favor of any discussion? None. All in favor, please say aye.

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high and the meeting minutes have been approved. Also, as an add-on from the county

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manager, we would like to ask if you've looked at them laying in front of you

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there, they're pretty short. He wants to know if we are comfortable enough with

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those meeting minutes of the last work session of June the 11th, 2024. If you

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have scanned them over and you like them and you will improve them. I'm looking for a motion to

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put these into the record. This is the work session of Jim the 11th, 2024 to a hero motion.

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Motion to approve Mr. Chairman. Motion of Commissioner Mark Narian to hear a second.

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Second? Second, Commissioner Johnson in a discussion. Being none all in favor please say aye.

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Motion carries and we have approved the meeting minutes. Also tonight we have quite a

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the consent agenda. We have several bullet points laying out the description of the headers

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of what these consent agendas are. But we always like for you folks to know what we've

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got in here and for those of you that's got a meeting agenda here already that you picked

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up at tonight's meeting then you know. But if not we would like you can see them. But I would

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I'd like to ask our county manager, Chris Ganoff, if you will, to read off and explain

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briefly the contents of the consent agenda tonight.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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First item are the tax department end of month's summaries, charges and reports.

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Next is the contract renewal with the EMS MC.

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They do our collections for EMS service.

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There's a proclamation celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Mount Erie Rotary Club.

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Also renewal and this would be the third year of the litter pickup program that's funded

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out of the public works department.

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This is where the third party contractor that we selected a couple of years ago from

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the HR department to implement the approved pay studies for DSS, Fire Marshal, and Communications.

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Next is the arbitrage rebate services proposal.

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This is required on our limited obligation bonds from 1819 and 21.

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Next is the hangar apron rehabilitation amendment one for the airport, and this is basically

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just adding some additional grant funding that's come in from NCDHT.

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There's no local money as a part of that amendment.

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Next to the mandatory high school CTE renovations amendment one, this is where the school system

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will be using lottery funds to cover some overage there, so no local money that's going to

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be lottery funds only.

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And then last item is budget amendment number 15, and there's an updated draft at each

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years, easier seats from Laura. And that concludes the consent agenda, Mr. Chairman.

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Okay. In general, you have read the items in the consent agenda. You have heard our

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manager, Chris Kinoff, spell them out. Unless there's an item you want to pull out for discussion,

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I'm looking for a motion to approve the consent agenda as listed here tonight and as stated

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by Chris Kinoff about your motion.

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In the discussion.

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There being none, I'll in favor of proven tonight's consent agenda.

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Please say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Motion carries unanimously.

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Thank you, gentlemen.

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Okay.

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Moving right along, we did leave some room and our schedule tonight for open form.

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We usually get a late afternoon in the afternoon.

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of an opportunity for the public to come up. I will say tonight we've got to

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we've got a couple of public hearings concerning different things and we

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have an appeal hearing and if you're here to talk about those things or come to

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participate in those parts of the agenda we'd like to ask that you wait to those

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items come here before the board but this is general comments or opinions

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statements, questions. You can ask, you might not get many answers here tonight, but you can say

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about what's on your mind, pertaining to Surrey County, civic government here, and we'll give you

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two or three minutes. So if there's any takers and anybody wants to come up to open form and tell us

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what's on your mind, now's the time. We welcome you to come for it.

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Okay? Seeing no takers,

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we will close tonight's section and opportunity for the open form. Thank you very much.

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At this time, moving right along, I am going to ask our county attorney, Ed Wolts, and

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our development services attorney, Howard Jones, if you will, to set the stage and address

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the audience tonight and the commissioners about what we're going to do concerning the appeal

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People hearing, concerning Crystal Ritter and the abatement of a public health and safety

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nuisance at 7-9-1 Gailax Trail in Mount area, if you will, gentlemen.

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Good evening, Chairman, members of the Board, members of the public.

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Tonight we have an appeal from a notice of violation of the health and safety nuisance ordinance

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at Section 92 of the Suridh County ordinances.

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And that appeal was filed by Crystal Ritter,

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who is the owner of Record of Property

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at 791 Galex Trail.

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This proceeding is not like a legislative hearing

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or a rezoning, this is a adversarial hearing

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and it's quasi-judicial, and I don't represent, I'm not here to advise the board tonight, I'm here to represent development services.

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So I'm wearing an adversarial hat tonight.

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The board's advice should come from the county attorney at Wolfe's, but it's just important to remember,

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I will turn this over to Ed in a moment, that the appellant Ms. Ritter has rights to present her case and to cross-examine witness, if she wishes to, the board, and I have a right to present our case and to put on witnesses and cross-examine witnesses as well.

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However, the guiding principle is the only thing that should be considered by this board tonight is substantial component and material evidence.

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So personal attacks, criticisms that are irrelevant, the board has the jurisdiction to just like a judge would to control the dignity of the proceedings.

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So having said that, I like to turn this over to the county attorney.

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This

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board does not deal with quasi-judicial hearings very often, and I thought it might

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be helpful to give you some pointers that come from the North Carolina local school of

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government, Coates Cannon's blog.

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Every quasi-judicial decision shall be based upon competent material and substantial evidence

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in the record.

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This decision making body is acting like a trial court based on the evidence and the information that has been shared with you in advance and with the writers.

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This board builds the record upon which its decision is based.

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in the event that this is appealed to Superior Court and the record that we are creating tonight is what will be considered on the appeal.

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That's why we have a court reporter here making a verbatim transcription of what's going on.

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The information that has been distributed includes binders, photographs, diagrams, and

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all of that information is subject to consideration.

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We need to be clear here that, because this is a quasi-judicial proceeding, some of the

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evidence in the record is good, including the application, factual testimony from opposing

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parties, expert opinion testimony, and some is incompetent in material and insubstantial,

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And that would be opinions expressed by Lehman that aren't experts.

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This board cannot take that into consideration.

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It may make its way into the record, but it can't be considered.

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Again, the board must base its decision on competent material and substantial evidence that's properly

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produced.

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you have any, I mean, any particular questions about those guidelines?

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Chairman, now I proceed.

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Yes, please.

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Okay.

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Before I begin, you have a binder that was served on the ridders with 16 attachments.

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even you were served that with the agenda and in that are videos and various other things,

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which are permitted to be served ahead of time as long as a copy is served on the

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appellant which was done here. Also tonight on the desk in front of you and a copy has been given

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to Crystal Ritter is a copy of a Google map that I'm just going to be using, taking off

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the internet, using for illustrative purposes.

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Dr. Ackerman's CD, he'll be testifying tonight.

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And after David, there's a picture of a pig with three rats in your binder.

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the person that took that photo came down with a stroke throat yesterday and had to submit

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an affidavit and that's been supplied to you. There's also a cat video that I'll be referring

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to with one of my witnesses. So the procedures tonight should be because the county has the burden

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to in seeking a polling of this.

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Should the county should go first and present its case, and then the appellant as until I present their case.

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So, before going any further, I would like to call Tyler Swayne to the front as our first witness.

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And all the witnesses will need to be sworn tonight.

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So

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could you state your name for the record?

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My name is William Tyler Swain.

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If you just get a little close, I have a problem too.

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Are you a licensed private investigator?

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I am.

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I'm licensed to the state.

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I'm a licensed private investigator.

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and how long have you been a licensed private investigator?

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I've been licensed for about eight years.

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About eight years?

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And after that, you worked with a private investigator

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for many years, too, correct?

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Through that time I've worked with several.

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Yes, sir.

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And were you retained by the Missouri County

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to videotape the Ritter's residence

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with regard to the animal, the animal situation on it?

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I was, yes sir.

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Okay.

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And was it your understanding the reason,

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or your retention was that the ridders refused

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the county access without a warrant?

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Yes sir, it was.

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Okay, so was your understanding that the video was being taken

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in order to supply to the court in order

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to obtain a search warrant. Correct? Yes sir. Okay. And so did you, in fact, conduct surveillance

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and a video, produce a video? Yes sir, I did. Okay. And you then provided that to the county

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attorney, correct? Yes sir. Okay. And you prepared a report, correct? Yes sir. Okay. And that basically,

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that report is your standard procedure that you do for all court cases, right?

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Yes, sir.

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And the report itemizes different things that you observed that you thought were

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noteworthy at the time on the different days, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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Okay. And that investigation concluded in September of last year, right?

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Yes, sir.

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I did.

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And then a copy of that investigative report and the flash drive has been attached as provided

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in the binders to the county commissioners, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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And you reviewed the video on the flash drive before providing it to the county attorney,

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correct?

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Yes, sir.

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I did.

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Okay.

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And is that flash drive with the video on that flash drive an accurate

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representation of what you saw during your investigation?

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Yes, it is, that is correct.

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Okay, I don't have any questions, Miss Ritter?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes, please.

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Yes, Ritter.

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So we only have one mic here.

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So, right.

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So, if you will, we might pull them out now for help or pull them out now in the bottom right.

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And Mr. Ritter, if you will, speaking to the microphones out of that people viewing listening here and out in the

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Viewing audience, you might be able to be more easily heard for the record. So if you will, go ahead with your and be sworn in first.

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Okay, swearing in with

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Getting her, she needs to get her binder. Oh, okay. Yeah.

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Hey Sandy, you will

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I think where's your app please?

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Where to kill the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help.

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I do. All right, so you are a private investigator.

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Okay, do you know the difference between a back door and an animal door?

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Then why were you saying that the animals were coming out my back door?

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Using that? No, they weren't. No, they weren't.

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There is no way they can get, there is no way they can get from there up to my upstairs.

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The door that you said was my back door that was left open, that was available to the

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goat 24 hours a day, so it's an old work room.

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Excuse me, objection, questions for the witness can be asked, but then arguing and testifying.

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There's a time for that testimony and that will be one misrider testifies.

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I'm not arguing. I'm just stating a fact that he doesn't know a door, a correct door,

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because he said that my animals were coming out of my back door.

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Okay.

235
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Okay.

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Set the parameters.

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I'm going to help you set the parameters you share for Mr. Ritter.

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Give us some guidance on what you can and cannot say and do.

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From the development services point of view,

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there's certainly time for Mr. Ritter to come up and testify

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and she will have that opportunity.

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Well, I'm showing that he doesn't know clearly what a back door looks like

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because clearly, clearly it was not my back door.

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Okay, well, and I understand this can be difficult,

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a difficult distinction, but this will be prolonged and disjointed

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unless we follow the following rules.

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You get to ask a question of the witness.

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If you disagree with the witness,

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Okay, then you have to put on evidence of that when it's your turn to put on evidence.

250
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But you can't argue and you can't testify during the questioning.

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That's just our objection, but I'll defer to the chairman and the county attorney.

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How do I show that it's not my back door when all the people there in January saw clearly

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that it was not my back door?

254
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Ma'am, you will have an opportunity to testify.

255
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That's what you're doing now,

256
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but you're supposed to be asking questions of this.

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Okay, well I clearly showed he doesn't know a door from a door.

258
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Okay, you stated.

259
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Next question.

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Okay, what day did you see rats on my property

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of the five days you were there?

262
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September 21st.

263
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The 5th is a correct, so you saw no rats on my property the first four visits.

264
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I did not.

265
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,960
Okay, only the 5th visit you saw rats.

266
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That was one of the times I'd be selling twice.

267
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Okay, twice, okay,

268
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and you noted on Friday, July 28, 2023 at 4.11 that you saw other different

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goats walking around my property correct. Okay and you noted again the back door was open the

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entire time which we established was not my back door. That was clearly an animal door. Clearly

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where the animals lived. That was approved by animal control I can state. Same objection.

272
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Okay. All right.

273
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You didn't notice the housing on the goats? Okay. You would not approve?

274
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Okay. Animal control did approve. Action. Animal control did approve.

275
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Okay. Hold on. Again, we... Okay.

276
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Ask a question if you don't like the answer or you stuck with it. All right.

277
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Okay. Next question is really.

278
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Okay.

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I did not know I was going to have allowed to ask questions so that's why I have to take some time and especially I was only given other information just today.

280
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So you have to bear with and give me time.

281
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Stan, we bear with you. There's kind of new ground for all of us but go right ahead with your questions.

282
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Okay.

283
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:21,310
Okay. You noted, investigator noted. You began surveillance near the tennis court.

284
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You were in my backyard, but why does it say in the backyard?

285
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I was wondering if I was not doing it.

286
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But it states it says here.

287
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All right, he's asking the question.

288
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He saw you about your RV.

289
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He wasn't on it.

290
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Next question.

291
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Okay, but his report that he's referred to does say he was in.

292
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Okay.

293
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I'm not sure what the report says, but report speaks for itself.

294
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The report says, investigator says, began surveillance near the tennis court in the backyard

295
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of the subject's residence, but it says, action asked and answered, okay, let's move

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along.

297
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Let's go on to the next question, please.

298
00:26:19,710 --> 00:26:29,070
Okay. So they say that my water system was incorrect or wrong, but did you observe that

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they had water? Water in, in a pool we're all in. Not all. Did you notice that there

300
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:43,010
were buckets on the property? Okay. All right.

301
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,500
Did you notice that there was a duck pool

302
00:26:47,500 --> 00:26:53,560
on the property. Yes, that's one problem. No, no. A duck pool is different from a kid's pool.

303
00:26:55,900 --> 00:27:04,580
Oh, and how many pools did you notice on the property? Only one. Hmm. Okay. I asked

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then he answered, which are incorrect answers, but this I'm allowed to say that. Okay. Why did

305
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:21,580
Did you note in the report an unidentified female outside the residence hanging up close?

306
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But you noted that I was hanging up close.

307
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:29,780
Okay.

308
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:39,020
Why did you say that I had dirt or foot on my face and hands from your position and your

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position was where?

310
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On my residence.

311
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on your residence, but I was never on your front.

312
00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:52,810
Where would you take the surveillance from?

313
00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:57,470
Several different spots around your property.

314
00:27:57,890 --> 00:28:01,270
Okay, can I ask where exactly those that was taken?

315
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Where your surveillance was from?

316
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Majority.

317
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Interesting.

318
00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:09,490
Okay,

319
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thank you by the way of a salmon and none mid-30s.

320
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Thank you.

321
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That was nice.

322
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Okay, next question.

323
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Okay. All

324
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your surveillance is taken at feeding time.

325
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,060
Okay. We're any taken at feeding time?

326
00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:49,920
Yes. Okay. When were your report?

327
00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:53,860
Do you say feeding time actually watching you feed the animals?

328
00:28:54,100 --> 00:29:01,080
Yes. Okay. Okay. I overfeed them. Yeah. I do overfeed them.

329
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,460
And Jenna's constantly telling me that, that I overfeed on my waist like that.

330
00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:10,620
What was the primary time you said, you went, you investigated various times.

331
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:12,160
Yes.

332
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:19,480
And if I could say for the court that they all were in the afternoon, except for one on

333
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a Sunday, 9.56, I'm answering his question.

334
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,600
I asked him if he didn't know or he was stated there in the report.

335
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,480
So if he can't state the times, then I felt I, isn't that right?

336
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,040
Well, I'm not sure about that, but I think we're at the next question now anyway, aren't we?

337
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Okay.

338
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:39,300
All right.

339
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So you can only say what was one on the report at these times from three o'clock

340
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one until the latest.

341
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,840
It's according to the report.

342
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,920
There was a Friday at 7.54 p.m. Okay.

343
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:08,580
You cannot say for certain, if I've given them fresh water that day. You cannot say for certain, I fit my animals.

344
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,140
You cannot say for certain that I've given them fresh hay that day.

345
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Okay, and can you say for certain how many animals were on the property?

346
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Okay,

347
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:37,370
but you only saw rats on the fifth day. That was in January.

348
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:40,850
Okay. And how many rats did you see in January?

349
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:43,610
Several, three,

350
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six.

351
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,300
Okay. All right.

352
00:30:51,420 --> 00:30:54,360
Did the Surrey County try to catch any of them that day?

353
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The rats.

354
00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:57,180
Yeah.

355
00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:01,950
Okay. All right.

356
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We're the, that's wearing hazmat suits.

357
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,120
During that time you were there in January.

358
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Okay.

359
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,560
All right. So did

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you see any geese on my property? Yes.

361
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,420
Okay. I was told I had geese.

362
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Did you see any of my jobs?

363
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:45,750
Did you hit? Did you see any cats?

364
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:09,840
But even in your report and going to

365
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:17,980
surrounding neighborhood homes, you could not see in the total depth of the property what was going

366
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:27,380
on there. So all the way in the back, yes? No, no, no, no, all the way on the other side

367
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:35,180
of the tennis court. You were able to see, okay, could you see up the hill from the

368
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:41,260
neighbor's property, clear? Interesting. Okay, I

369
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:09,760
think those are all the questions I have.

370
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:10,820
I

371
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,880
know you said you deserved a goat whose stomach appeared to be bloated out and breathing

372
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heavily.

373
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,100
Where was that?

374
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:23,820
In the tennis court.

375
00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:29,600
Oh, that tells me it was my senior citizen, Mr. Goat.

376
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,380
Okay.

377
00:33:31,100 --> 00:33:31,520
Yeah.

378
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:33,940
He's lived a long life.

379
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:34,440
I'm fine.

380
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:35,180
Back to your question.

381
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:36,960
I'm not involved with that.

382
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:37,420
I was surprised

383
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,360
that there were several dogs in the house.

384
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:43,820
Correct.

385
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,040
Correct.

386
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,800
There you have it.

387
00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:47,300
Okay.

388
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:47,900
You only.

389
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:48,780
I saw a student.

390
00:33:49,980 --> 00:33:50,380
Okay.

391
00:33:51,260 --> 00:33:55,900
And you only saw the dogs because my daughter had to put them into the house.

392
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Okay.

393
00:33:59,820 --> 00:34:00,800
All right.

394
00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:04,540
I think that is it right now with the fact questions.

395
00:34:04,540 --> 00:34:07,720
You finished your questions. You've got us got us. What happens man?

396
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,640
I just have one redirect. All right.

397
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,900
You can just and you can stay up here in this

398
00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:20,220
renters that are walking back because you're allowed to. You have a question about what I redirect.

399
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:31,740
Mr. Swayne, when you were there for the surveillance for the administrative search warrant,

400
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:38,380
But you have no idea if there were any of the rats on the property at other times to

401
00:34:38,380 --> 00:34:38,600
you.

402
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:39,460
I do not.

403
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:43,080
And the property raised my phone if you will, please.

404
00:34:43,580 --> 00:34:46,260
The property was severely overgrown.

405
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:46,960
Is that correct?

406
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:47,880
That is correct.

407
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Okay.

408
00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:57,060
And your report lists what you thought were noteworthy at those times.

409
00:34:57,060 --> 00:35:04,540
But as a matter of fact, your surveillance tape, which is in the binder that Ms. Ritter

410
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:10,520
has in her arm, has the date and time indicated on the videotape.

411
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:11,000
Correct.

412
00:35:11,140 --> 00:35:11,400
Correct.

413
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:11,940
Time's up.

414
00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:12,480
Okay.

415
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:13,380
I have no other questions.

416
00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:14,560
I'd like to redirect.

417
00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:22,700
And if it is limited to the questions I asked, I believe that is the rule.

418
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:24,800
If you will pull my phone down, please.

419
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:31,320
Just the point out, just because I got a thing to look at doesn't mean I can.

420
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:35,160
I don't have a computer. I can't look at anything you've given me.

421
00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:43,900
So now you're going to the redirect you said about the dogs and everything.

422
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,960
Now my brain is, I have to bear with me with the ADHD.

423
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:57,900
I'm trying to remember his words, redirected about the animals, no rats.

424
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,720
Okay, he redirected about the rats.

425
00:36:01,060 --> 00:36:06,020
Okay, when he said you never saw him any other time, what?

426
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,080
Objection, mischaracterizes what I said.

427
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:11,660
Alright, let's give back to a specific question.

428
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:16,840
Okay, you only saw the rats on that fifth day and at the warrant.

429
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:17,760
Correct.

430
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,880
When I was conducting surveillance at your house, obviously I had not seen, so I did not stay out here for hours.

431
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,800
My surveillance was one to two hours, but during those times, I did not.

432
00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:30,820
I testified the rest of the matter.

433
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:33,840
The fifth time I was there, as well as in the surveillance.

434
00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:37,940
Okay. He mentioned overgrown grass.

435
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:41,240
Was there overgrown grass on all the property?

436
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,740
No, the tennis courts, not everything.

437
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:46,240
Okay. Was the backyard overgrown?

438
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,820
Okay. And the side yard was overgrown?

439
00:36:53,460 --> 00:36:54,120
Checking the board.

440
00:36:59,590 --> 00:37:01,770
That's our next pasture to open up.

441
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:05,310
Okay. More questions? Nope.

442
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:11,510
Thank you. At this point, I would like to turn the witness over to the county commissioners

443
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:22,390
because I would like to follow a protocol tonight if it's possible, and that is once the questions have been asked by a pellen and me, then I think it's appropriate.

444
00:37:22,850 --> 00:37:30,630
The county commissioners ask any questions they have, and if they don't allow the and allow the witness to leave the hearing.

445
00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:33,770
That's the way we do it for it. All right.

446
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:37,450
I'd like to turn this witness over if the county commissioners have any questions.

447
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:41,950
of. Okay, gentlemen, any any questions?

448
00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,740
Yes, Mr. Johnson, please.

449
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:55,020
When when the county you was hired by the county to do your work, is your

450
00:37:55,020 --> 00:38:01,980
liberty to choose the time and how much time or was anything required? It was not.

451
00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,060
So I pick different, you know, different times on that day.

452
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:06,020
George, free reign.

453
00:38:06,220 --> 00:38:06,500
Yes, sir.

454
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:07,260
Here they are.

455
00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:08,720
Thank you.

456
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:10,360
Okay.

457
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:14,580
You know the questions for Mr. Swain.

458
00:38:19,580 --> 00:38:20,740
Any other questions here?

459
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,200
For Mr. Swain?

460
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:25,920
I don't think we have any other questions for Mr. Swain.

461
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:27,300
All right.

462
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:28,220
In this council.

463
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:28,960
In this witness.

464
00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:29,820
Excuse me.

465
00:38:29,820 --> 00:38:30,220
It's witness.

466
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,420
It's good with you.

467
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:32,140
It's good with us.

468
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,660
This witness can be excused.

469
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:34,420
Thank you.

470
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:35,380
And thank you, Mr. Wein.

471
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Okay, proceed. Please, Howard.

472
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:43,400
I would like to call the Director of Development Services,

473
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:44,200
Morty Needham.

474
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:46,340
Wait

475
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,090
until the truth. The whole truth ain't nothing but truth.

476
00:38:56,130 --> 00:38:56,410
There.

477
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,340
Good evening, Director Needham.

478
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,800
Could you state your name for the record

479
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,540
and your position that you hold with the county?

480
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,560
My name is Morty Needham,

481
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,960
and the Director of Development Services, we're sorry, County.

482
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,140
Okay,

483
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,980
and Director Needham,

484
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:30,170
in the binder is a letter from you to the county manager

485
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:31,350
Chris and off, correct?

486
00:39:31,810 --> 00:39:32,590
That is correct.

487
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:41,510
Okay, and is that a letter that you sent pursuant to the news and ordinance advising the

488
00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:50,610
county manager that you felt that based upon Dr. Brenner's affidavit, that

489
00:39:50,610 --> 00:39:57,450
That's a nuisance violation, notice of violation and abatement needed to issue.

490
00:39:58,030 --> 00:39:58,910
That is correct.

491
00:39:59,870 --> 00:40:03,690
And did you receive a letter back from the county manager pursuant to the ordinance?

492
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:05,790
And is that a copy of that in the binder?

493
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:06,790
Yes, sir.

494
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:07,290
That's correct.

495
00:40:07,810 --> 00:40:17,610
Did you subsequently issue a notice of violation to both Crystal Ritter, the owner of

496
00:40:17,610 --> 00:40:29,550
property and generator as well. I did, okay, and did your, was your notice of violation

497
00:40:29,550 --> 00:40:38,130
based on your, your based heavily on the opinion, the expert opinions of doctors, Brenniger

498
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:44,050
and Ackerman, who was, okay. As a matter of fact, much of the language from that notice of

499
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:47,570
comes directly from Dr. Burninger's affidavit, correct?

500
00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:48,590
That is correct.

501
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:56,870
If I could, I would like to call the board's attention

502
00:40:56,870 --> 00:41:00,010
to the PowerPoint, and what we have here,

503
00:41:00,090 --> 00:41:03,550
and I would like Director Needham to remain where he is

504
00:41:03,550 --> 00:41:04,710
for just a couple moments.

505
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:09,270
So what we have here is a picture of Gaylach Trail,

506
00:41:09,550 --> 00:41:12,330
Gaylach Trail, which is taken from the video

507
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:18,270
So that was taken in January of 2024 at the administrative search warrant.

508
00:41:18,490 --> 00:41:21,490
That is the front of the property.

509
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:24,120
Okay.

510
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:31,120
And the first point that I would make on behalf of the development services is that this

511
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:40,660
is not a farm, the commissioners, and this is a hoarding situation when you residential

512
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:47,660
a lot with a rat infestation. And I will demonstrate that with the evidences in the binder and

513
00:41:47,660 --> 00:41:53,240
the witnesses I will call tonight. We'll also demonstrate, hopefully, your satisfaction.

514
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,380
This is a serious situation. This is a perfect storm for the transmission of disease.

515
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:05,800
We have a small lot next to vulnerable populations with a rat infestation.

516
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:12,020
garbage, trash, mattresses, feces, hoarding, and overcrowding of animals,

517
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:18,900
comingling of species in that very small area, and contaminated food and water

518
00:42:18,900 --> 00:42:26,820
and sharing of the same by all those species in that small area. So first I

519
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:32,260
would like Director Needham. I've said there's a small lot here. You reviewed the

520
00:42:32,260 --> 00:42:36,220
tax card, which is a copy of is in the binders. That's correct.

521
00:42:36,780 --> 00:42:50,420
Okay. And is this slide correct? That has card says there's point, 0.87, 0.87, 0.87 acres

522
00:42:50,420 --> 00:43:01,960
or 37,897.2 square feet. That's correct. And the house print, did you, did you plot

523
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,320
out the house print. It's actually stated on the tax card. Okay, and what is this state on the

524
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,200
tax card? It gives a size for the main body of the house, the porch, and another room, and it

525
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:22,060
totals 1980 square feet. Okay, and did you plot out how large the front yard and the driveway is?

526
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:31,360
Yes, I have a software program on my computer, AutoCAD, and I downloaded a photo from the GIS map

527
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:38,740
of their property and I sized it to scale and then there were a border around the front yard and

528
00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:46,160
got a proximity of the square feet of the front yard and same thing for the tennis court.

529
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:52,120
Okay, so 97hz square feet is the approximate size of the driveway in the front yard, correct?

530
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,640
That's correct. When you subtract that out in the house foot print, you're left with about

531
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:04,380
six tenths of an acre, correct? That's correct. And of that six tenths of an acre, about

532
00:44:04,380 --> 00:44:12,580
seven thousand square feet is the dilapidated tenths, correct? Correct. Okay. So the

533
00:44:14,980 --> 00:44:15,220
next

534
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:26,540
point I would demonstrate to the board is that this lot and this rat infestation is near

535
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:35,860
vulnerable populations. It's close to the Willow Hill Apartments, the Northern

536
00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:42,280
Wellness Center, Northern Pediatrics, and a dentist office, and also SMAT dab

537
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,040
up next to the neighbors.

538
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:53,250
We're going to call a hard five-minute break.

539
00:44:59,970 --> 00:44:59,970
Okay,

540
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,900
Aye, and with us here, we're going to open the meeting back up, and with that said, I'm going to turn it back over to our Jones attorney. Okay, I have conferred with Crystal Ritter and with the county attorney. We have a medical situation for Ms. Ritter's daughter, and there is a paramedic here. And Ms. Ritter, Ms. Ritter, I had your consent to continue this hearing into July 15th, correct? I'm sorry, this will be recessed.

541
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,000
It will start back that Monday night.

542
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:32,720
It's just a clock.

543
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:34,260
You won't receive another notice.

544
00:45:34,340 --> 00:45:36,820
You just need to be here and we're going to recess until then.

545
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,560
Is that okay with the county attorney?

546
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:40,420
15.

547
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,420
Okay, well, ma'am, we that's when we're doing it too

548
00:45:45,420 --> 00:45:46,700
and that's when it's being continued.

549
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,800
So they'll be the mean of further hearing tonight

550
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,040
and you are released tonight.

551
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,820
Okay, this here will be recessed

552
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:57,680
until the appointed time of the meeting,

553
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:07,580
the regular meeting of July the 15th here at the same time same place and this part of the appeal

554
00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:15,740
here is now in recess next item. In any of you folks we won't hang around you're certainly welcome

555
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:24,400
but this part of our meeting has been recessed and if you want to find your way out just make yourself

556
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,820
Just make yourself at home here. I'll excuse anybody needs to leave. Yes. Thank you

557
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Chairman may I be excused and may director need him be excused you may be excused and director need him you may be excused as well

558
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,440
Thank you, chairman

559
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,000
Let's talk another let's talk another five-minute break till we get clear it up here. Thank you

560
00:46:47,220 --> 00:46:47,700
Okay

561
00:46:48,940 --> 00:46:53,340
Let her meet and get back into action here. Sorry about all the

562
00:46:54,780 --> 00:46:59,800
situation here tonight for everyone but we will ask Ms. Penny Harrison our tax

563
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,360
administrator for Syria County to come up penny and tell us what's on your mind.

564
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:12,800
I have a few foreclosures I would like to present tonight. Excuse me and they

565
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:18,560
are ready to be sent to the Kenya law firm. I have presented to you in the

566
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:29,760
packet with a list and a map and the description of value and taxes that are due and I am hoping

567
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,600
to send these over for again the foreclosure process with your approval.

568
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:38,560
Okay, thank you.

569
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:45,780
Tell me you've heard the request of our tax administrator to be able to send the list that they've

570
00:47:45,780 --> 00:47:53,540
accumulated that has grown to five years or older and delinquent real property and personal

571
00:47:53,540 --> 00:48:01,520
property taxes for these listings. I will just remind me, I guess, in myself and all

572
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:09,340
of us. Any after, is it after how many years the county cannot go back and collect delinquent

573
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:19,340
taxes 10 years 10 years and in order for us to get started to be able to collect these

574
00:48:19,340 --> 00:48:27,180
delinquent taxes we usually get really serious on your radar after about you you really don't

575
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:31,940
get excited I mean you get excited but it hasn't rise to this level until there's been about five

576
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:38,820
years of delinquent taxes is that normally the situation yes we send several notices we call them

577
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:49,380
We try to make payments with them, we send pre-foreclosial letters, we do numerous things

578
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:54,840
trying to work out anything possible before we have to foreclose.

579
00:48:55,140 --> 00:49:00,240
And all of those things that you just aforementioned have been executed here, these are five years

580
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,240
and are older.

581
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:02,020
Yes, sir.

582
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,060
You have sent out these certified letters, you have called these people on the phone, you've

583
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:07,520
spoken to some of them personally.

584
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:08,360
Yes.

585
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:20,220
Yes, try to make arrangements for payment, but after five years you have had no payments on these and this list that you've sent us tonight be considered for foreclosure. That is correct. We have notes on everything.

586
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:25,780
Okay, gentlemen, you guys have had a copy here within your packet.

587
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:31,900
I will entertain action. What's your pleasure, Jim?

588
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:38,670
The motion that we approve the following list is anybody

589
00:49:38,670 --> 00:49:41,110
or tax administrator for closure.

590
00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:49,990
Okay. And these will be turned over to the Canyon Law firm and then there'll still be an

591
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:54,510
opportunity after he serves notice to these individuals.

592
00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:56,650
They can pay at any time.

593
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:58,150
Any time to stop foreclose.

594
00:49:58,450 --> 00:49:58,850
That's correct.

595
00:49:59,030 --> 00:50:04,190
They can pay up to the time that the sale is finalized.

596
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:04,990
All right.

597
00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:09,390
Have a motion from Commissioner Bill Goench

598
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:14,430
to turn this list that you referred over to the Kenya law firm

599
00:50:14,430 --> 00:50:18,110
or whom we rely on the liquid taxes

600
00:50:18,110 --> 00:50:20,070
and foreclosure proceedings.

601
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:21,450
Do I have a second?

602
00:50:22,350 --> 00:50:25,070
I'll say, I'll second that motion, Mr. Chairman.

603
00:50:25,470 --> 00:50:25,990
Yes, second.

604
00:50:26,170 --> 00:50:27,170
Mr. Eddie Harris.

605
00:50:27,310 --> 00:50:27,850
Any discussion?

606
00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:28,730
Any questions?

607
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:29,450
Any comments?

608
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:30,550
Any further?

609
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:31,890
Anything else?

610
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:33,210
I'll just have a question.

611
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:33,690
Yes, sir.

612
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:34,490
Commissioner Johnson.

613
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:38,410
Any of the, the can you law firm with these 23 here?

614
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:40,650
What's the average time?

615
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:44,090
I mean, how much time do they usually take?

616
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:46,110
Would you, an average?

617
00:50:46,590 --> 00:50:50,990
It normally takes usually six to eight months to do.

618
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:56,270
across. It's just a cordon. If there's air's properties, you know, it takes a while to serve.

619
00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,310
If they have to appoint a guardian at Lottom, it's just different circumstances.

620
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:08,330
Yeah, but it could sometimes take up to 12 months. But it's just a cordon situation.

621
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:16,630
Thank you. Yes. Okay. Well, yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And these properties will be properly

622
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:21,330
posted with a sign as well as advertised in the Elk and Tribune and the

623
00:51:21,330 --> 00:51:25,890
matter he needs that correct. Yes sir. I'll have pictures of everything and

624
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:30,750
copies of where it is in the newspaper. And photographs of the sign by the

625
00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:36,130
property. Yes sir. And on the county website as well. It will. Are you

626
00:51:36,130 --> 00:51:42,030
wanting the pictures of the post just the just the this the sale itself. Yes

627
00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:42,270
Yes sir.

628
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:43,510
Yes sir.

629
00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:44,290
All right thank you.

630
00:51:44,430 --> 00:51:44,790
All I have.

631
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:45,770
Anything else?

632
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:50,210
Well this doesn't happen until Kenya does all their due.

633
00:51:50,550 --> 00:51:51,150
That's correct.

634
00:51:51,350 --> 00:51:51,530
Okay.

635
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:52,310
Yes.

636
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:58,950
And I will bring it back before it's sold to give you cell dates and things like that and show

637
00:51:58,950 --> 00:52:02,370
proof that it's been posted at the property.

638
00:52:03,410 --> 00:52:03,670
Okay.

639
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:10,930
I have a motion on the floor in a second to send these, this packet of delinquent taxes to

640
00:52:10,930 --> 00:52:14,010
can you allow for them? All in favor, please say aye.

641
00:52:14,430 --> 00:52:14,730
Aye.

642
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:19,650
Any opposed? None. Motion carries unanimously. And thank you,

643
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,590
Penny. Okay, moving right along.

644
00:52:26,290 --> 00:52:29,110
Chris Ginoff, County Manager. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

645
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:35,070
First item tonight is to hold a public hearing on the fiscal year 2425 budget.

646
00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:39,510
On June 3rd, the recommended budget was presented to the board.

647
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:44,190
And on June 11th, last Tuesday, the board had a work session, just a little over three

648
00:52:44,190 --> 00:52:48,230
hours to do on the recommended budget and make a number of changes.

649
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:56,830
The tax rate was recommended to remain unchanged, and I'm going to review for you, and each

650
00:52:56,830 --> 00:53:02,190
of you have this summary, the items that were discussed on June 11th.

651
00:53:02,190 --> 00:53:05,070
Now, consensus was reached at that time on these items.

652
00:53:05,070 --> 00:53:13,470
The first was to set the school's current expense amount to 1,320 per student.

653
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:19,390
That's an increase from 1,280 currently, so a $40 increase.

654
00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:24,630
That will also carry over for the charter schools allocation and the virtual charter schools.

655
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:33,670
It also decided to add four new school resource officer positions to allow for one resource officer

656
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:36,590
per elementary school in the county school system.

657
00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:42,590
That amounts to an increase of $439,000 and $14.00.

658
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:51,500
Also as was discussed on June 3rd amongst the board, an increase in the Registered D budget

659
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,480
and the amount of $11,648.

660
00:53:56,430 --> 00:54:02,230
Also it was decided to increase general fund contingency by $130,500.

661
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:06,850
dollars. This amounts to a transfer of funds and dedicated line items for

662
00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:11,070
seams, tri-county, foot heels, yoke fellow, the Shepherd's House, helping hands,

663
00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:14,970
grace clinic, three medical ministries, echo ministry, and American Red

664
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:19,190
Cross. From those line items and the general fund contingency, where it will be

665
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:23,910
held until a process can be developed to evaluate public-purpose dollars and

666
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:29,670
how those can be justified by each of those agencies. And that is something we

667
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:31,910
think we'll get back to you later this year.

668
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:35,810
The tow talked about in that meeting, I'm sorry Chris,

669
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:39,590
but maybe it could be no earlier than January

670
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:41,490
because it would be October and November

671
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:43,890
possibly before you get the sales tax figures.

672
00:54:44,270 --> 00:54:46,230
And it may take that long to collect data.

673
00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:49,450
Is that still stand with your folks out?

674
00:54:49,530 --> 00:54:50,430
They can be later than that,

675
00:54:50,430 --> 00:54:52,690
but if we just depends on how quickly we work for it,

676
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:54,050
it could be a little sooner,

677
00:54:54,070 --> 00:54:55,710
but we think it'll be into the calendar year.

678
00:54:55,710 --> 00:55:03,990
The total change is $544,437 increased to the recommended budget.

679
00:55:04,690 --> 00:55:10,070
In addition to this, the consensus of the board is to increase the Elken City Schools

680
00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:15,710
tax rate to 12.6 cents, also to increase the Pine Ridge volunteer fire to the district

681
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:17,690
tax rate to 8.2 cents.

682
00:55:18,370 --> 00:55:23,930
Also to approve recommended fee schedule changes for emergency services and the Health and Nutrition

683
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:28,090
The Health and Nutrition Center increases were approved by the Board of Health.

684
00:55:29,770 --> 00:55:37,530
Therefore, the new general fund total for the fiscal year 2425 budget would be $103,517,053.

685
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:45,430
The amount of general fund needed to balance the budget would be $7,301,316.

686
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:50,150
That's your new number, your new total, Mr. Chairman.

687
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:58,950
Okay, and I think this will require a public hearing and so with that said, I would like

688
00:55:58,950 --> 00:56:06,650
to say now is the time and I will open the public hearing for comments, questions, anybody's

689
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:11,110
input for the 24, 25 budget fiscal year.

690
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:15,480
So the public hearing is now up,

691
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:23,100
if you will, well, we're not going to ask you.

692
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,140
We know your name and how to get the touch with you, sir.

693
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:25,560
Yes, sir.

694
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:25,980
Anybody?

695
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:26,660
Yes, sir.

696
00:56:26,740 --> 00:56:27,320
Go right ahead.

697
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,160
Chief Deputy Larry Love.

698
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:29,760
Yes, sir.

699
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,300
Thank you.

700
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,060
I'll be real quick tonight.

701
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:34,800
The sheriff had a previous engagement.

702
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:36,980
And we really wasn't prepared to be here tonight.

703
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:44,160
But this afternoon about 330 was made aware of that there was something in the budget that we.

704
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,640
We thought there was after some talks with county manager can often.

705
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,740
and we'd just like to take this the moment of your time.

706
00:56:57,340 --> 00:57:00,900
Back at the retreat, we talked to you

707
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:02,320
about the detention staffing.

708
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,140
Totally understand that you were probably tired

709
00:57:09,140 --> 00:57:10,800
of hearing this request.

710
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:14,940
However, after six months of being in the new facility,

711
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,340
we think it is a critical situation for the staff

712
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:23,360
and we had presented in our budget

713
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,860
to the county manager for five more detention officers.

714
00:57:27,550 --> 00:57:32,640
We understand totally that the county tax receipts are projected to level out.

715
00:57:33,220 --> 00:57:39,240
However, we believe this is a critical need.

716
00:57:40,060 --> 00:57:45,500
Without these positions, there's a few things that could be in jeopardy, one is the statewide

717
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:48,440
about a misdemeanor confinement program,

718
00:57:49,260 --> 00:57:52,360
especially the litter pickup that all of us

719
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,440
is wanting to do,

720
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,940
addition of some mental health and substance abuse programs,

721
00:57:59,420 --> 00:58:01,700
any of the educational programs that now,

722
00:58:02,380 --> 00:58:03,920
we have a facility for it,

723
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:07,680
we really like to try to add some of that.

724
00:58:08,860 --> 00:58:10,920
Like I sort of touched on in the retreat,

725
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:13,580
y'all was gracious enough and you did add

726
00:58:13,580 --> 00:58:20,820
four of those positions that we originally asked for and that's been great. We appreciate

727
00:58:20,820 --> 00:58:27,640
we've added those positions. We've maintained the majority of those. We have lost a couple

728
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:35,140
here recently due to taking jobs with some a little better. What they thought was better

729
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:43,500
for them. A couple of them went to state jobs. But we are actively filling those as we speak

730
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:50,580
week. One of the other things I want to touch on is back in February after

731
00:58:50,580 --> 00:58:55,800
treat when I talked to you our number I think was 257 and we was surprised about

732
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:02,900
jumping up that high this morning is 297. Several days we've been over 300 in

733
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:04,280
the last couple of months.

734
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,460
One of the questions I had been asked before we have

735
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:20,920
been asked, and there is not a specific requirement of an officer ratio, but I have pulled

736
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:29,180
numbers from some other ones, and right now we currently have 33.3 inmates per officer.

737
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,420
Just to give you an example of some of the other counties.

738
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:48,070
some of the closest ones to us, of course, is Arneck County, which is they have a 324 bed facility.

739
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:58,050
They have a 16 inmate per officer ratio. Cleveland County has a 324 capacity.

740
00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:59,610
they have 16.7.

741
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,580
The top of county has 13.2, Rock and Ham county has a 22, and Bladen county has a 26. Orange county

742
01:00:10,580 --> 01:00:11,140
has a 9.

743
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:20,080
Currently, we have the 33. Even if we add the five positions, we're asking for

744
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:25,580
that brings us to 28.5 inmates per officer.

745
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:35,480
like I said I would one of the things that we have added and I told I think the last

746
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,160
time we was front of you we talked about adding the up in the misdemeanor confinement

747
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:46,880
we have done that that's doing very very well we upped it to 30 but right this moment

748
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,920
this morning we had 25 that was that we're getting paid for and that's a good average

749
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:58,580
number they don't not to fill you plumb full they have some spots in case they need you

750
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:08,280
currently that's giving us $40 a day for those 25 inmates which you know a year equals $365

751
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:14,280
thousand dollars if we could add the letter and I know you're aware of this if we could add

752
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:21,860
the letter that would up that to $60 a day which you know for a year's time that's 547

753
01:01:21,860 --> 01:01:23,200
$7,500.

754
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:38,480
Once again, apologize to you for coming to you during this 11th hour. Like I said,

755
01:01:38,700 --> 01:01:43,460
we, no fault of anybody as I don't think, but we just didn't realize that it wasn't

756
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:48,140
being presented to you guys. So after discussion with the County Manager today, we wanted

757
01:01:48,140 --> 01:01:52,180
to make sure that we at least notified you of that that was our request.

758
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:55,660
We would like

759
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:58,580
for you to consider that moving forward.

760
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:04,530
Thank you Chief Deputy. Thank you. You can hang around

761
01:02:04,530 --> 01:02:11,790
and may I have questions? Yes, sir. I do have a question. I do have what that would cost

762
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:16,990
if you want copies of that. Look over it, make sure you think it's right.

763
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:30,360
Thank you. Thank you.

764
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:35,780
Oh, no. I prefer one would have some more questions like, you know, the state and

765
01:02:35,780 --> 01:02:40,360
estimated program, bringing prisoners here, actually looking for prisoners to bring

766
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,760
here to put in that program.

767
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:47,120
So as we might get reimbursement from the state and so as we might transition some of these

768
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:51,960
eligible candidates to the litter program, how much money that might bring in and how many

769
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,500
you have now and how many you would anticipate having if you were at full capacity.

770
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:03,180
And we certainly, I'm just speaking for me, I don't, you know, it is the 11th hour here

771
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:08,180
We're we're we're kind of fast tracking them to move along with the physical budget vote tonight

772
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:15,200
I personally I'm not saying no or never I'm just personally saying I would like to

773
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,100
send this one back

774
01:03:18,100 --> 01:03:20,660
For some consideration to you guys

775
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:24,680
For to answer some of these questions maybe we'll talk about it at a later date

776
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,520
I if I want him not looking to take action tonight, but gentlemen out at your pleasure. I'll let you all weigh in on this

777
01:03:31,860 --> 01:03:39,680
I'm going to agree with Chairman Tucker, I have a few questions, I'll ask one right

778
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:40,040
now.

779
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:47,820
Y'all submit a budget, yes, and you're at liberty to do what you want to with that budget.

780
01:03:47,940 --> 01:03:48,860
Is that a correct statement?

781
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:58,060
I mean, we don't tell you what to do or not do, I mean, well, for example, if you really

782
01:03:58,060 --> 01:04:03,900
desperately needed five detention officers right now, I mean exactly right now, y'all have

783
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:08,640
to live to take five off patrol, put them in there. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

784
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:14,860
Yeah, and we can do, yes, we can do with what else we have. The way you want to, all we do is

785
01:04:15,860 --> 01:04:22,820
with the county resources, we fund, we fund the search department and the detention center all

786
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:28,700
together. But y'all, y'all make the decisions on personnel where they ask when to use

787
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:32,080
them or ask and all those things. Is that a correct statement? That is correct.

788
01:04:32,580 --> 01:04:37,520
Okay. Well, I'd like to, I'm going to go along with that. I'm looking forward to setting

789
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:44,340
down some more with y'all. And this gets some pertin. I mean, you're telling me also that

790
01:04:45,100 --> 01:04:52,420
we're being paid $40 a day. Is that, you know, I'm not now, but I'll ask the question.

791
01:04:52,420 --> 01:04:56,760
Is that so we break it even or we're making you money or we still do I mean on that

792
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:01,120
But let's say that for a later time. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, this is this is a

793
01:05:02,620 --> 01:05:09,340
Public hearing on our budget and yeah, we got some questions, but since since we wanted to reassure you

794
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:12,800
We have some questions before we read it make an answer at least part of us

795
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:19,600
We will we will save those specifics and those questions for a later time. Do you know anything else here?

796
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:28,340
Okay, I just wanted to ask the deputy right quick, you are, you folks are working with

797
01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:31,260
ICE, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, right?

798
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:37,740
And you are identifying illegal aliens that have criminal records and have committed

799
01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:44,740
serious crimes in Surrey County and you have notified ICE and you work with ICE at every

800
01:05:44,740 --> 01:05:48,020
opportunity to get rid of these people and get them back to their home countries.

801
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:53,520
is that correct? Absolutely, 100%. Okay, and your department is going to work with ICE,

802
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,840
and I know there's legislation, I think, on the state level in regards to some of this as well,

803
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:08,000
but I just wanted to make sure that we're not housing and feeding these people any longer.

804
01:06:08,220 --> 01:06:15,040
We have to and that they, you know, once their sentences is completed, that they are ICE is notified

805
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,060
for, so that can be deported.

806
01:06:17,540 --> 01:06:18,940
We cooperate with ICE.

807
01:06:19,380 --> 01:06:20,380
Okay, thank you.

808
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:22,720
Okay, anything else?

809
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:25,880
Okay, thank you.

810
01:06:26,100 --> 01:06:26,320
Thank you.

811
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:26,620
Thank you.

812
01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:31,700
Okay, anyone else for comment, question regarding

813
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:35,100
the public hearing for our physical budget

814
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,240
for the 24, 25 year, yes sir?

815
01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:39,540
Yes sir, Mr. Chairman.

816
01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:40,780
My name's Austin Love.

817
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,260
I'll be co-representing the Surrey County Association

818
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:51,060
I did take the privilege of reading the all 24 pages of the budget and one of the things

819
01:06:51,060 --> 01:06:55,340
I did notice was there wasn't a single thing in there that I didn't think deserved it.

820
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:59,740
I think that when we're bouncing the budget, I know it's a difficult process.

821
01:06:59,980 --> 01:07:01,660
I get to see multiple facets of it.

822
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,580
On the rescue squad side, we did notice a few disappointing shortcomings that I want to

823
01:07:07,580 --> 01:07:08,320
bring to your attention.

824
01:07:09,020 --> 01:07:13,060
We had a request at a 7.5% increase, which is a general request.

825
01:07:13,060 --> 01:07:18,620
We tried to keep up with inflation, the rising cost of operations, and then Mount

826
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:24,820
Area Rescue School had requested $25,000 to assist with paying for a paid person, and

827
01:07:24,820 --> 01:07:26,020
I know that's an ongoing project.

828
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,200
I know chief way of them have talked with that about you guys.

829
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,320
And what I wanted to bring to your attention was, in recent events, we have seen rest

830
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:39,900
do you really come to a rising need? Some of you may recall the Yakon River

831
01:07:39,900 --> 01:07:46,560
incident. Every squad was represented there and it's without just general

832
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,080
operational funding in general. You know, those are the kind of things we

833
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:53,360
won't be able to pull off. And while I can't really speak to what each individual

834
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,820
squad would use at 7.5% for, I can't speak for what we would do in Mountain Park,

835
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:03,440
where we serve as a little over 4,000 residents and we serve as the only rescue

836
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,940
you provider for 93% of the district and the only medical first response for about 90%.

837
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:14,620
Mr. Harris, I know that you live very locally and I believe your business, I know friends,

838
01:08:14,780 --> 01:08:15,800
family, live there as well.

839
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,220
And we do all we can to service our district at a pretty efficient rate.

840
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:27,560
Mount Park RISC squad this year will be taking about 54,000 of that total allocation.

841
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:31,620
We do receive the smallest allocation out of the squads just based on population and

842
01:08:31,620 --> 01:08:36,980
call volume. And what we wanted to do is we have longed to ask the question, how will

843
01:08:36,980 --> 01:08:41,580
we handle the declination of volunteers? And at Mountain Park, our goal with our

844
01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:48,100
injuries this year was to try something different. Rather than asking for paid people this increasingly

845
01:08:48,100 --> 01:08:53,060
popular demand, I've noticed, we would instead try to address the barriers to volunteerism.

846
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:57,120
We were lining up contracts to be able to get people fit for duty, people medically cleared

847
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,300
for duty and we were hoping to be able to begin negotiations where we could talk about ways

848
01:09:02,300 --> 01:09:08,060
of the county could assist ways and could we talk about volunteer time for staff once a month,

849
01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:13,600
eight hours a month or whatnot. Could we incentivize businesses to allow responders to run calls

850
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,840
and really just address the actual issues to volunteerism and bring the communities back together

851
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:25,200
rather than just throwing paid people at it. While I'm not disagreeing that we should have paid

852
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:31,220
for responders, fire, rescue, EMS, at some point, that demand only grows and we are a small

853
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:32,080
humble county.

854
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:38,280
Just under 72,000 citizens from what I recall from last census, it's a heavy price to

855
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,720
pay to fully staff every emergency service agency in the county.

856
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,880
And so I just wanted to not necessarily ask for you guys to reconsider tonight.

857
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:52,120
I believe the previous speaker had stopped at the 11th hour and I think you guys did work

858
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,380
hard on the budget and I do like what I saw in it.

859
01:09:54,380 --> 01:09:56,520
and I'm grateful that we did get an increase.

860
01:09:57,140 --> 01:09:59,640
Going forward, I just want us to consider,

861
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:01,220
and I would love to talk with you guys

862
01:10:01,220 --> 01:10:03,120
even more in the future about,

863
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,400
if we don't address this volunteerism issue,

864
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:07,400
especially in Mount Park,

865
01:10:07,820 --> 01:10:09,460
you will never have me come before you

866
01:10:09,460 --> 01:10:10,880
and ask for a paid person in Mount Park.

867
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,800
But what I may have to come before you and tell you

868
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,160
is that there's no volunteers left,

869
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,380
and that will leave 4,000 of my neighbors, my friends,

870
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,940
people I've worked with and connected with,

871
01:10:21,420 --> 01:10:23,280
without service, without rescue.

872
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:38,340
We may be able to consolidate with another respawn, maybe not, but at the end of the day, that's just a liability that falls to I don't know who that's never been an issue before and as long as I'm chief my goals to make sure it doesn't become an issue for my 4,000 people for including you Mr Harris.

873
01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:48,720
I care deeply about it and I really do think that this was an oversight, maybe I wish we could a guy a little bit further ahead of and add discussions with you guys.

874
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:55,280
But as far as we are concerned, we are a little disappointed with what we saw.

875
01:10:55,660 --> 01:11:00,680
But overall, we would love to work with you guys, maybe not paid people, maybe not extravagant

876
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,180
increases.

877
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:06,320
But I'd like to work efficiently with you guys to create the most lean means of restoring

878
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:11,680
volunteerism rather than replacing it or rather than doing away with it all together.

879
01:11:12,420 --> 01:11:13,280
It's all I have for you guys.

880
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:14,940
Thank you.

881
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:22,720
Yes sir. Thank you sir. Okay anyone else for public hearing concerning the 24-25 budget

882
01:11:25,230 --> 01:11:32,940
anyone else any takers they're being done we're going to close the public hearing concerning the

883
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:44,840
fiscal year 24-25 budget and with that I am looking for action I think we have a couple of

884
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:51,740
motions prepared if we want to go along with the manager's recommendation and with that I am looking for a motion for action

885
01:11:52,420 --> 01:12:01,740
Motion that we adopt the fiscal year 2024 25 budget ordinance and this ordinance will reflect the general level the consensus changes to the recommended budget

886
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,500
anything additional of course violence in which we've not added so

887
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,460
I make I make that as a motion. Okay

888
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,680
And Mr. Managing will that be a two-part notion if we

889
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:16,280
Okay.

890
01:12:16,620 --> 01:12:16,760
All right.

891
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,580
So motion number one, I have a motion from Commissioner Bill Goen.

892
01:12:21,660 --> 01:12:22,360
Do I hear a second?

893
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:23,160
Second.

894
01:12:23,700 --> 01:12:23,980
Second.

895
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,740
Commissioner Marion in the discussion.

896
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:28,270
Come in.

897
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:29,830
None.

898
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:30,790
All in favor.

899
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:31,730
Please say aye.

900
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:32,350
Aye.

901
01:12:32,590 --> 01:12:32,770
Aye.

902
01:12:33,850 --> 01:12:36,250
The motion carries unanimously.

903
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:37,010
Thank you.

904
01:12:38,010 --> 01:12:41,150
Make a motion that we instruct the Assistant County Manager provided.

905
01:12:41,150 --> 01:12:45,970
about a 2% cost of living increase for all-graded employees and elected officials, and to approve

906
01:12:45,970 --> 01:12:52,010
the position classification plan for the 2024-25 by making changes in adjust hours according

907
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:55,670
to the recommendations of the approved budget effective July 1, 2024.

908
01:12:56,690 --> 01:13:00,290
Hey gentlemen, motion number two concerning the budget.

909
01:13:00,610 --> 01:13:02,790
Have a motion looking for a second.

910
01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:06,210
I'll think of that, Mr Chairman.

911
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:11,070
Motion, commission, and bill going second from Commissioner Eddie Harris and discussion.

912
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:25,720
I just like to thank county staff again for the hard work on the budget and Mr. Johnson always says we appreciate our citizens being very responsible in their taxes.

913
01:13:26,260 --> 01:13:38,200
It's always very positive for Surrey County and as the county manager has told us and we've seen in the revenue numbers that sales tax seems to be in revenue seem to be flattening out.

914
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:47,300
The national economy seems to be in continued inflation, which is impacting our citizens.

915
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:49,080
It has impacted the county budget.

916
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:55,280
A lot of this in here, the increases and some of those things are from calls that are highly

917
01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:01,840
inflationary that all Americans are seeing, from grocery prices, to home prices.

918
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:13,560
And as I said, one of the things that concerns me going forward is the inability of young folks today being able to be first time home buyers.

919
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:23,520
That is continuing to be put out of reach for a lot of young couples in Surrey County and across the state and nation.

920
01:14:24,100 --> 01:14:28,640
But we're going to continue to be physically responsible in Surrey County

921
01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:32,700
to balance our revenues and our expenditures.

922
01:14:33,820 --> 01:14:37,840
We do the very best we can, and I think this budget reflects a sense of fairness.

923
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:42,580
And I'm glad to support Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

924
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,700
Thank you. Any other comments?

925
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,880
I'll say I'd like the budget.

926
01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:53,920
It's a process. Appreciate all the county folks and county staff that work so hard to get it to this level.

927
01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:59,800
You know, we might not have gotten exactly as far with it as we would like to have.

928
01:15:00,620 --> 01:15:30,600
Unless we decide to restrict the amount of dollars that it takes to find it, all the ideas we heard were good ones. But sometimes you have to balance the request with the money available or the ability to raise that money. And a lot of times that goes back to the tax base of the people, the good people of Sherry County that pay it. And so there is a, there is a, they, they moderate in between on those two factors of request versus funding.

929
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:36,700
And we tried to strike the best cord that we could and I feel pretty good about it.

930
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:41,920
You know, we can always look down the road at other requests and do the best we can.

931
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:49,880
And I'm delighted that once again, we were able to provide more services and more dollars

932
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,000
for the people in Surrey County in its various programs and departments.

933
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:59,800
And we did that without raising taxes for the County citizen to pay more tax rate.

934
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:07,680
So, with that said, I have a motion and a second, I just like to say that I appreciate

935
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:12,580
everybody's hard work on the budget and you gentlemen, it was a pleasure this year.

936
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:19,880
We had a few discussions but I believe it was asked, is this a hard no or is this a no

937
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:20,440
for the budget?

938
01:16:20,780 --> 01:16:27,180
No, it's just a little disagreement, but we worked through it all and as Mr. Love just

939
01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:33,100
got through saying we've got right at 72,000 people and this is the first time ever the

940
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:37,300
budget has went over a hundred million dollars and 103 five I believe.

941
01:16:39,820 --> 01:16:40,900
That means business

942
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:48,400
is good in Syria County. We've tried to do good for the schools this year and we've got

943
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:54,140
Dr. Steve Hall with us tonight and thank you for the job you're doing over there and I hope

944
01:16:54,140 --> 01:17:03,080
your wife continues to improve. And I know Dr. Reeves and Dr. Brown, I'm pretty happy

945
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:03,640
this year.

946
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:11,440
They were expecting around probably 20 bucks for people and we give them 40.

947
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:19,220
So we doubled probably their expectation. It's a pleasure to work with all this this year

948
01:17:19,220 --> 01:17:20,720
and the

949
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,560
outlet for Syria County is strong.

950
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:28,320
And we've got a lot of good things coming,

951
01:17:28,500 --> 01:17:33,620
and hopefully we can be strong for several more years.

952
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:35,040
Thank you.

953
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,060
All right, anything else?

954
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,420
Got a motion on the floor in a second.

955
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:41,600
And the second motion concerning

956
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,700
the fiscal budget year for 24, 25, all in favor,

957
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:46,480
please say aye.

958
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:47,320
Aye.

959
01:17:47,740 --> 01:17:48,600
Any opposed, none?

960
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:49,920
Motion carries unanimously,

961
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:56,880
and thank you. All right, you folks want to play on?

962
01:17:58,460 --> 01:18:06,100
All right. Mr. Manager, next item is a scheduled public hearing for Project Vista.

963
01:18:06,580 --> 01:18:13,200
And before you open the hearing, I'll give a few details on what county is offering up potentially

964
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:16,720
to be considered this evening. And then during the hearing Mr. Moyer will come up

965
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:21,580
from the ADP and give you some details as much as he can about the project. Project Vista

966
01:18:22,220 --> 01:18:27,920
is proposing a total investment of $80 million. The fixed investment will be approximately

967
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,360
$25 million and the variable investment or the personal property of $55 million investment.

968
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:40,280
It's being proposed as a cash grant over 80 years. It's a formula that's based on the amount of taxes

969
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:43,480
that's expected to be paid by the project during that time.

970
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:50,820
We anticipate that the cash grant will not exceed $2,959,622.

971
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,580
We estimate the payback on that will be 5.78 years,

972
01:18:54,580 --> 01:18:57,600
as you know the payback must be no more than 10 years.

973
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,640
So that's a good return for a project to this size.

974
01:19:01,180 --> 01:19:02,720
So Mr. Chairman, I'll turn it over to you

975
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,580
to open the public hearing.

976
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,600
Okay, we'll now open the public hearing concerning project Vista.

977
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:12,420
And with that said, any comments, please come forward.

978
01:19:12,740 --> 01:19:17,060
Thank you, Mr. Blake Moir, Surrey County Economic Development.

979
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:17,800
Thank you, sir.

980
01:19:18,460 --> 01:19:22,220
You have folks, Blake Moir, do you have a number or address?

981
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:28,340
Number 336-269-3828, President and CEO of Surrey County Economic Development Partnership.

982
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:31,400
Appreciate you all taking this public hearing for us tonight.

983
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:33,140
This is an important project.

984
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:37,260
This is an existing industry within Surrey County, within the city of Mount Erie.

985
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:44,520
We appreciate your time here, and I'm going to read through a couple of comments on the project and then answer any questions you might have.

986
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:51,880
So we county EDP has been in contact with the existing industry employer who is interested in expanding their operations in the community.

987
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:55,660
The project has been actively seeking a location since October of 2023.

988
01:19:56,440 --> 01:20:07,240
So we county EDP sitting to county staff as well as EDP and seeing its economic partnership of North Carolina have met with the project and multiple occasions to confirm their needs and support their expansion in our community.

989
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,900
The company associated with this request is an upstanding member of the business community

990
01:20:11,900 --> 01:20:17,020
and has been in Mount Erie for over 40 years with extensive local ties and a quality reputation

991
01:20:17,020 --> 01:20:17,880
here in our community.

992
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,820
The company is seeking to construct a new 140,000 square foot building.

993
01:20:23,140 --> 01:20:26,720
The total investment for this project will exceed $80 million of capital investment.

994
01:20:27,580 --> 01:20:32,240
This project does not include new jobs to the community but is a retention of 60 existing

995
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:37,840
jobs. This is a competitive project where the risk of not participating is that those jobs go

996
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,800
somewhere else, this project goes somewhere else. This is a competitive project and the project

997
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:49,180
has looked at locations in other communities. Surrey County EDP requests consideration of the

998
01:20:49,180 --> 01:20:54,300
cash incentives for Project Vista to select a site in Surrey County. And for any media questions

999
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:57,440
regarding the matter, please direct this, Surrey County Economic Development Partnership.

1000
01:20:58,140 --> 01:21:02,460
Board Chairman for Surrey County EDP would also like to speak and he'll come after me

1001
01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:08,220
have some questions. If you have any. All right. Any questions from him?

1002
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,740
Questions? I don't believe we have any. Thank you. Okay, next.

1003
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:23,120
We'll pay to tell us your name, your title, your phone number, quickly.

1004
01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:26,440
Need a box here. All right, we need it.

1005
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:32,400
All right, my name is Peter Pakenio. I am the chairman of the Surrey County EDP.

1006
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:38,200
That's my job on the side but my primary job is the North Carolina President for First

1007
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:38,840
Community Bank.

1008
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:45,580
So, I've been a banker in this town for over 25 years, I've seen it grow, Project Vista

1009
01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:49,940
represents a company that's been a key community cornerstone for many decades.

1010
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,780
I would tell you, it's part of the very fabric of our community.

1011
01:21:53,460 --> 01:21:57,120
The employment engagement with our schools and the support of community initiatives, this

1012
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,940
organization has been an impactful part of Surrey County.

1013
01:21:59,940 --> 01:22:04,860
County. Siri County is competing with other communities for Project Vista's investment

1014
01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:11,260
and the approval of incentives is one part of staying in the game. I can tell you that

1015
01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:16,980
we are, it's very competitive. I cover 12 counties and every single county is actually

1016
01:22:16,980 --> 01:22:22,280
looking for business like this, okay? So, Siri County EDP's Board of Directors supports

1017
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:26,920
the approval of incentives for Project Vista. We must do all we can to support the expansion

1018
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:31,860
of our existing employers and continue to make Sri Kani the best place to do business

1019
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:37,780
in North Carolina. Our community should feel proud to be considered for the next phase

1020
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:42,660
of this company's growth. We hope Project Vista chooses Sri Kani to embark upon their

1021
01:22:42,660 --> 01:22:49,120
bright future. Thank y'all. Appreciate all that you do. Thank you, sir. While you're at it,

1022
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:54,980
how about bringing a bank to Dobson? Bringing a bank to Dobson? I'm going to do all

1023
01:22:54,980 --> 01:23:03,040
I can to do that y'all. Please do. All right. Thank you. Anyone else for a comment concerning

1024
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,720
Project Vista and the public hearing?

1025
01:23:08,860 --> 01:23:12,740
Okay. No one else. We will now declare the public

1026
01:23:12,740 --> 01:23:20,180
hearing for Project Vista closed. And you've heard the request. Gentlemen, looking for action

1027
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:26,380
your pleasure. I'll make a motion that we approve the incentive package present to us for

1028
01:23:26,380 --> 01:23:35,180
Project Vista. Okay motion from Commissioner Bill Gholensh to accept the package presented

1029
01:23:35,780 --> 01:23:38,240
concerning Project Vista do I hear a second.

1030
01:23:40,670 --> 01:23:42,570
I'll second that, Mr Chairman.

1031
01:23:43,010 --> 01:23:46,550
A second from Commissioner Larry Johnson in its discussion.

1032
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:52,550
Being none, I'll in favor please

1033
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:53,110
say aye.

1034
01:23:54,630 --> 01:23:55,590
Any opposed?

1035
01:23:56,430 --> 01:23:56,930
None opposed.

1036
01:23:57,170 --> 01:23:58,410
Motion carries unanimously.

1037
01:23:59,070 --> 01:23:59,650
Thank you folks.

1038
01:24:01,750 --> 01:24:08,610
Okay Chris I believe we have an item coming up tonight for el-concidie schools and yeah

1039
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:14,000
and I am going to recognize our el-concidie schools.

1040
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:20,180
Superintendent Dr. Steve Hall and are also one of our honored guests board member Jennifer

1041
01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:22,440
Klein has school from the el-concidie schools.

1042
01:24:23,100 --> 01:24:28,780
It's easy to see you folks when about 9% of the people take me up on my bill to recess.

1043
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,320
So with that said, would you guys like to come up when the manager presents your request,

1044
01:24:34,460 --> 01:24:35,700
would you like to help them present it?

1045
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,360
If you do, please both of you feel free or either want to come up.

1046
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:46,380
Yes, sir.

1047
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,580
Now Chris, present your item and then we'll let him go ahead.

1048
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:51,380
He's here to present it.

1049
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:51,520
All right.

1050
01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:52,500
You're here to present it?

1051
01:24:52,660 --> 01:24:52,900
Sure.

1052
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:54,000
All right, go for it.

1053
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:54,460
Yes, sir.

1054
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:55,060
Thank you.

1055
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:56,740
Dr. Steve Hall.

1056
01:24:56,740 --> 01:25:10,280
call, need my phone number. Okay. Superintendent Elkins City Schools, it's a pleasure to be here this evening. It's always great to see you, fellas. And we greatly appreciate your support in Elkin.

1057
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:22,420
We spent our first night in our home last night in Elkin. It feels good to be back in Surrey County, felt good waking up and having a two minute drive to work.

1058
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:29,820
instead of coming down the mountain. I'll tell you. The request that we have here

1059
01:25:29,820 --> 01:25:36,640
before this evening is concerning some past capital funds that you folks

1060
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:42,540
so graciously awarded Elken City Schools before I even arrived. There were

1061
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:49,140
several projects here involved. One was a couple of roof projects that they kind of

1062
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:53,280
together and that original bid came in at about 170,

1063
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,260
a little over 170,000 dollars.

1064
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:59,000
When it was all said and done,

1065
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,520
the project was a little over 210,000 dollars.

1066
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:05,320
On the flip side of that,

1067
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,820
we had a, from what I gather,

1068
01:26:09,980 --> 01:26:12,140
an old, old tank at the elementary school

1069
01:26:12,140 --> 01:26:16,700
that needed removal and you had allocated funds for that.

1070
01:26:16,700 --> 01:26:24,300
But that project came in well under budget, which rarely happens as we all know.

1071
01:26:25,670 --> 01:26:30,000
We also had a walk-in cooler project as well.

1072
01:26:31,020 --> 01:26:32,880
So you see different projects here.

1073
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,140
That project came in under budget.

1074
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:41,420
So what we're asking is just a reallocation of those two projects that came in under budget.

1075
01:26:41,420 --> 01:26:50,660
the tank removal, there's a little over $36,000, I believe, left in that or no, it was about $36,000.

1076
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:56,380
It came in, there's about $29,000 left, I believe.

1077
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:06,940
No, sorry, I'm right, $36,000 left from the tank removal and about $8,600 left from the walk-in cooler project.

1078
01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:13,780
We would like to couple those together to discover that overage that we had on our combined

1079
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,660
roof projects that went over budget at 210,000.

1080
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:20,640
So that was our request.

1081
01:27:21,540 --> 01:27:22,960
Not asking for any additional funds.

1082
01:27:23,060 --> 01:27:26,240
These funds were already allocated to Elk and before I got here, like I said.

1083
01:27:26,780 --> 01:27:31,740
So we'd just like to move those funds over and cover the overage on that roof project if

1084
01:27:31,740 --> 01:27:32,180
possible.

1085
01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:33,360
Thank you.

1086
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:34,160
All right.

1087
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,640
Questions, comments, action, gentlemen?

1088
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:41,880
The problem is making this state.

1089
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:45,840
I believe this is newer neck of the Woods Commissioner Harris.

1090
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:49,000
Well, it looks pretty straightforward to me.

1091
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,300
I, you know, as Commissioner Tucker said,

1092
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:59,140
we've done several different actions on these reallocation of funds.

1093
01:27:59,140 --> 01:28:12,160
and we don't have a set policy in this regard, so it looks like to me that you're asking to reallocate, is it $39,000 or $36,000?

1094
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:23,920
It was $36,000 from the tank removal. It was left over a little over $36,000, and $8,600 left over from the walk-in cooler project.

1095
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:33,420
40 some thousands and yes sir and you're going to use it on the roof. Yes sir, to cover the remaining portion of that roof. Okay. Well, um,

1096
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:41,260
Mr. Mr. Chairman, I'm inclined to support this. It looks pretty straightforward. Ruth's pretty serious business. I know where you have, um,

1097
01:28:43,540 --> 01:28:45,740
um, reformulated our capital, um,

1098
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:53,160
approach to schools, the public school systems, but this was all done before that reallocation.

1099
01:28:54,500 --> 01:28:56,340
And so I'm going to support it.

1100
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,240
Are you sat in form of a motion?

1101
01:28:59,100 --> 01:28:59,260
Yeah.

1102
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:00,260
I'll make that motion.

1103
01:29:00,580 --> 01:29:00,940
All right.

1104
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,000
To allow our city schools to do that.

1105
01:29:03,140 --> 01:29:05,920
Any, any, any, I don't have a commotion for Commissioner Harris.

1106
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,280
We'll do it here a second.

1107
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:07,900
Second.

1108
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,700
Second for Commissioner Mark Marion.

1109
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:10,320
Now, discussion.

1110
01:29:10,660 --> 01:29:11,480
Any more discussion?

1111
01:29:11,660 --> 01:29:12,480
Questions, comments?

1112
01:29:14,440 --> 01:29:20,880
I'll just say that we appreciate you coming and we appreciate you being good stewards of the money. Thank you

1113
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:28,200
and we appreciate all of our schools doing that. It's not like that we just get a kick out of bringing you back when you have some leftover

1114
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:34,280
nor do we want to encourage you to figure out every way to spend every last dime of it. Exactly. We want something in the middle in that

1115
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:42,240
they're spending as judiciously and wisely as you can, but then, you know, we appreciate

1116
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:48,840
your graciousness and honesty for coming back saying, you know, we did spend it as best

1117
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,340
we could, but we had a little left over.

1118
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:50,880
Yes, sir.

1119
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:54,780
And then we're happy to let you use it for your next best project.

1120
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,280
And I think that's the way it ought to work.

1121
01:29:56,420 --> 01:29:59,700
I think that's the way it ought to work, school systems for most county departments that's

1122
01:29:59,700 --> 01:29:59,980
Wait on-

1123
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:22,020
I appreciate your respectfully coming to the board and telling us you had a little savings and we're happy to let you have it. So, with that said, we have a motion on the floor in a second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed, none? Motion carries unanimously. And thank you for coming. Thank you, sir. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

1124
01:30:24,060 --> 01:30:36,840
The next item is information and possibly maybe action tonight or at least at the very latest July meeting, but the Association of County Commissioners annual conferences August 8 through 10th is in Winston Salem this year.

1125
01:30:37,060 --> 01:30:44,380
So whoever attends on behalf of the county is the voting delegate this year can stay at home and not be on the road.

1126
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:53,120
I'm wondering tonight if you'd be willing to appoint a voting delegate, or if it's something you won't take under consideration and come back and point that person in July.

1127
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:55,940
We'll talk about it, young men, thoughts.

1128
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,620
Looking for volunteers.

1129
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:07,680
Mr. Chairman, I've got a college trip to Asheville for a few days, so I'm going to respectfully decline.

1130
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:14,900
other's. This German I've had the opportunity three or four times to represent

1131
01:31:14,900 --> 01:31:21,920
Surrey County and travel to Raleigh. I would graciously love for somebody else to

1132
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:28,360
do it but I'm not complaining because Chris tonight was with me every time and we

1133
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:32,860
eat good. We still got to be there and vote. Yeah I've been I've been known a couple of

1134
01:31:32,860 --> 01:31:36,220
them and the third the herd is getting thinner gentlemen. Any other

1135
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:42,640
We got another opportunity for volunteers here before we decided to kick it down the road August 8 through the team.

1136
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,700
I'm getting out of you have participated in the last four years.

1137
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:48,940
That sounds like a volunteer to me.

1138
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,160
You've done such a good job.

1139
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:56,580
It's not a volunteer, Commissioner Mary.

1140
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,940
I'll do it if Chris and I have a couple came up.

1141
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,080
Okay, Mr. Manager, you'd be sure to feed him good.

1142
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:10,780
Yeah, Pete. It's really good and we thank you for your volunteers and more to spirit. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Okay. I think we saw that for you, Mr.

1143
01:32:10,940 --> 01:32:18,020
Manning. We're going to need to take action. I'll make a motion that we we select and

1144
01:32:18,020 --> 01:32:27,980
and graciously accept the volunteer duty from Commissioner Mark Marion to attend the August 8th through 10th in CACC annual conference in Winston,

1145
01:32:27,980 --> 01:32:33,120
and so on. Look at that. Okay. Motion out of second from Commissioner Bill Collins.

1146
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:39,040
In a discussion, none all in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? None. Thank you,

1147
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:44,240
sir. Congratulations. You're welcome. All right. Okay. Creeps. Next item, just informational

1148
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:48,480
tonight. We'll need to talk about this again in July, but it's time to put together a legislative

1149
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:58,780
of goals for the 25-26 legislative biannion. We are currently soliciting draft goals from

1150
01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:01,760
Department heads if there are any that the county commissioners would like to submit

1151
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:06,100
to be included in your packet. In July, just let me know over the next couple of weeks

1152
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,500
and we will get that to you. I believe we have to have them in by September at the latest

1153
01:33:11,500 --> 01:33:18,180
so if we could get something finalized by August, that would be ideal. But just more of an informational

1154
01:33:18,180 --> 01:33:24,120
items tonight that this is coming. Last item that I have, there's a memo in here for Andrew

1155
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:30,380
Wright on the boards and commissions. There are three here. I'll run through them and then you all can

1156
01:33:32,620 --> 01:33:38,640
debate and hopefully come up with some appointees. Juvenile Crown Prevention Council, there's a two-year

1157
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:44,480
term here. Daniel White has been filling that spot. He would ask that Bradley Keigh and his department

1158
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:48,620
that might be appointed. On the Northwestern Regional Library Board, there are some six

1159
01:33:48,620 --> 01:33:53,960
year terms that are up for reappointment. That's correct. Kelly Merritt, Jonathan Bledso,

1160
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,920
and Lisa Derees, those folks respectively are from Mount Air Dobson and Pilot Mountain.

1161
01:33:59,540 --> 01:34:04,840
And finally, there's a seat coming open on the City Community College Board of Trustees

1162
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:05,960
and that's a four year term.

1163
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:07,940
Okay.

1164
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:08,720
Okay.

1165
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:10,860
Mr. Chairman.

1166
01:34:11,620 --> 01:34:11,900
Yes, sir.

1167
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:13,380
I would.

1168
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,980
Mr. Representative on the Community College Board.

1169
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,720
And I've had individual discussions with my fellow board members.

1170
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,500
And I would.

1171
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,680
I have a new appointment to the Surrey Community College Board of Trustees.

1172
01:34:27,700 --> 01:34:31,680
I'd also like to thank Mr. Jim Lewis for his service.

1173
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:37,860
Jim served eight years on the Community College Board outstanding trustee enjoyed working with

1174
01:34:38,340 --> 01:34:46,820
with Mr. Lewis. And at this time, I'd like to thank Mr. Lewis for his service and I would like

1175
01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:55,320
to recommend that we appoint Miss Tina Johnson to the City Community College Board of Trustees. Tina

1176
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,380
is a resident of Mount Erie.

1177
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:03,020
And I think that's the appropriate response here

1178
01:35:03,020 --> 01:35:05,400
from a geographical perspective.

1179
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,020
So that's who I'm recommending.

1180
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:09,760
I'll make that motion, Ms. Tina Johnson,

1181
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:11,660
to the Zurich Mead College Board Trustees.

1182
01:35:12,440 --> 01:35:14,560
Okay, I have a motion, Mr. Commissioner Harris,

1183
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,240
for a new appointment, Ms. Tina Johnson.

1184
01:35:16,620 --> 01:35:17,120
Go ahead, second.

1185
01:35:17,900 --> 01:35:19,860
I'll be glad to second that, Mr. Chairman.

1186
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,240
She's a very good outstanding community servant.

1187
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,060
Okay.

1188
01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:28,420
You'll do a great job second my commissioner Larry Johnson in discussion

1189
01:35:28,420 --> 01:35:34,820
None all in favor of this appointment. Please say aye aye any pose none the appointment has made

1190
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:41,520
Anything else gentlemen on these along the lines of these make a motion for the others you doing one if you'd like

1191
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:49,900
I make a motion that we approve the appointment to the juvenile crowd for Vincent cows and I spread the key into the Northwestern Regional Library of

1192
01:35:49,900 --> 01:35:52,520
for Kelly Merrick, Jonathan Bledsoe, and Lisa DeRice.

1193
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:53,500
For sure.

1194
01:35:54,180 --> 01:35:56,000
Thank you, Mr. Gorns.

1195
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:00,220
We have another motion to reappoint these various people

1196
01:36:00,220 --> 01:36:02,260
to the juvenile crime prevention council

1197
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:04,000
and the Northwestern Regional Library.

1198
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:04,840
Do I hear a second?

1199
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:05,700
I'll second that.

1200
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,260
Second for Commissioner Marion in discussion.

1201
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,000
There being none, all in favor, please say aye.

1202
01:36:11,340 --> 01:36:11,580
Aye.

1203
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:12,900
Any opposed, none?

1204
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:16,480
Unanimously, these folks have been reappointed

1205
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:17,420
and thank you, folks.

1206
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:25,180
Chris anything else all I have after a general county business. I believe there's a request for a closed session.

1207
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:36,020
Okay, any commissioner comments? I think I'll start I'll start on this in tonight. Commissioner Mary, I've made several comments while ago.

1208
01:36:36,460 --> 01:36:44,440
Starting once again, thank everyone for participating in the budget and looking forward to upcoming year and.

1209
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:49,980
That's what I've got and appreciate everybody coming out tonight and.

1210
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,460
Come on back and say yes. Thank you.

1211
01:36:54,860 --> 01:36:55,300
Good.

1212
01:36:55,540 --> 01:36:56,220
Mr. Golems.

1213
01:36:56,360 --> 01:37:02,220
In the resident from Mount A, I'm going to read the proclamation for the Rotary Club of Mount A's 75th anniversary day.

1214
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:06,440
Whereas the Rotary Club of Mount A has served the community for three quarters of a century.

1215
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:12,180
Whereas since its inception in 1949, the Rotary Club of Mount A has upheld the high side deals of Rotary International,

1216
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,940
dedicating itself to the principle of service above self.

1217
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:20,140
Whereas for 75 years, the members of the Rotary Club of Mount A have worked to address the needs of the community.

1218
01:37:20,140 --> 01:37:24,180
where as a Rotary Club of Moundary has supported positive transformation in

1219
01:37:24,180 --> 01:37:27,740
embodying the Spirit of Collaboration and Cooperation, where as through its

1220
01:37:27,740 --> 01:37:31,460
various projects programs and partnerships, Rotary Club of Moundary has made

1221
01:37:31,460 --> 01:37:34,480
a lasting impact on the lives of countless individuals, families and

1222
01:37:34,480 --> 01:37:39,060
organizations. Now therefore, let it be resolved that on its 75th anniversary, the

1223
01:37:39,060 --> 01:37:42,120
Rotary Club of Moundary is celebrated and honored for its services, dedication,

1224
01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:46,740
its legacy of making a difference in the community. And when this area of the

1225
01:37:46,740 --> 01:37:50,920
County Board of Commissioners do hereby declare July 16th, 2024 as Rotary Club

1226
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,140
of Moundary 75th anniversary day and recognize all citizens to join in

1227
01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:59,000
commemorating the Momenis Milestone with gratitude, joy, and renewed commitment

1228
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:03,100
to service. And this was adopted today, the 17th day of June 2024 by the

1229
01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:06,740
Surrey County Board of Commissioners, and our chairman will sign that

1230
01:38:06,740 --> 01:38:10,560
proclamation. So we appreciate all that. I know there's several

1231
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:15,680
Rotary, there's a sunrise and a lunch, but they all do a great job

1232
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:23,700
serving the citizens of Mount A and Surrey County. It's not just Mount A, but they serve Surrey County, and we appreciate what they do for our county.

1233
01:38:24,780 --> 01:38:29,380
Thank you, Commissioner Goins, and we will sign that proclamation as read tonight.

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01:38:30,460 --> 01:38:31,140
Commissioner Harris.

1235
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:42,040
Mr. Chairman, thank you. I also wanted to add in regards to Ms. Tina Johnson, our new appointee on the Surrey Community College Board, that she is a graduate of Surrey Community College.

1236
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:46,880
very proud graduate of Surrey Community College and she actually served there

1237
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:53,700
as a student trustee on the board in late 80s I think so anyway I wanted to

1238
01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:58,000
say that I also want to thank Dr. Steve Hall and Miss Klein Hexel for being

1239
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,640
here tonight always glad to see some thugs in my into the county and hope you

1240
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:11,760
thugs come again thank you. Mr. Jones I've said it this will be my ninth time I

1241
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:18,400
like to give our county manager and all these staff another A for the work on

1242
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:25,840
their budget. That's nine A's in a row for me and I appreciate it. I see all the

1243
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:30,280
hard work that's been put into that and you make it so plain and simple for us

1244
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:36,480
to comprehend and to understand and I think again thank you for it and I'm blessed

1245
01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:41,240
to live in Surrey County. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Johnson. Thank

1246
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:46,780
All you folks for coming, all the folks out watching our meeting, keeping up with it in

1247
01:39:46,780 --> 01:39:53,580
other ways. It's always interesting, some of the topics we cover and the way we go about

1248
01:39:53,580 --> 01:40:02,360
trying to get to the ends of the best solutions possible for some of the challenges that face

1249
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:10,700
this board. And this budget cycle has been interesting. I've been on the board as well.

1250
01:40:10,700 --> 01:40:16,500
this is my ninth budget and they seem to get a little more expensive and they seem to be a little more

1251
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:22,260
complicated every year. So far we've threaded the needle and I feel pretty good about it and

1252
01:40:22,260 --> 01:40:27,140
appreciate you folks coming and your participation and all the county staff for all their participation in

1253
01:40:27,140 --> 01:40:34,520
this new budget that we've just passed tonight and my fellow board members. You know we got then how

1254
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:40,460
we have five or six of these work sessions. You know, we didn't even have a fight one.

1255
01:40:41,580 --> 01:40:45,780
Now, we had some strong words at time or two, but I don't know if anybody came to blows, did.

1256
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,840
Well, I or I are pets on the farm.

1257
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:55,980
But anyway, appreciate the fellow board members and the camaraderie and working with you and all the county staff.

1258
01:40:56,620 --> 01:41:00,760
And with that said, that will conclude tonight's meeting.

1259
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,920
Again, thank you for coming. We appreciate your participation county manager. You got something there?

1260
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:11,440
We need close session. Yes, I believe we do need close session looking for a motion to go into close

1261
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:17,140
session to go into close session. All right commotion from motion from Commissioner Bill go in. Do I hear a sec?

1262
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:25,500
Second on a favor please say aye aye and we are going to close. Thank you

1263
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:28,580
Okay, we're back in session

1264
01:41:30,660 --> 01:41:41,340
Okay, with much gratitude for their service rendered, I'd like to make a motion that we

1265
01:41:41,340 --> 01:41:47,780
remove from the northern regional hospital board of trustees, the trustees of and that

1266
01:41:47,780 --> 01:41:54,620
to include Theresa Lewis, Paul Patterson, Doug Cook, and Tom Riggs, do I hear a second?

1267
01:41:54,620 --> 01:42:03,260
Second. Second from Commissioner Bill Goins in its discussion. All in favor please say aye.

1268
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:11,840
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's a record show the vote is unanimous. I'd also like to make

1269
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,980
a motion to add and effectively immediately also to the Northern Regional Hospital Board of Trustees,

1270
01:42:18,980 --> 01:42:27,400
these Mark Rogers and Greg Perkins, and we will make both of these changes to be effective

1271
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:28,040
immediately.

1272
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:30,020
Do I hear a second?

1273
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:30,480
Second.

1274
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:31,100
Chairman.

1275
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:31,780
Yep.

1276
01:42:32,060 --> 01:42:33,680
And to eliminate two seats on the board.

1277
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:44,320
And to eliminate two seats on the board, which would reduce the total number of seats by

1278
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:48,760
two to the total number.

1279
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,780
of 11 from 13. All in favor, please say on.

1280
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:53,440
Aye.

1281
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,620
Okay, motion carries. Any opposed none?

1282
01:42:58,080 --> 01:42:58,800
No, unanimously.

1283
01:42:59,500 --> 01:43:00,740
Looking for a motion to adjourn.

1284
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:01,900
Let's adjourn, Mr. Chairman.

1285
01:43:02,060 --> 01:43:03,780
Motion of the Commissioner Bill going to adjourn.

1286
01:43:03,860 --> 01:43:04,940
Oh, do I hear a second?

1287
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:05,780
Thank you.