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tonight. Stand and join us in the
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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
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with liberty and justice for all.

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All right, Madame Mayor, I make a motion
to approve the agenda. I'll sign.

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» It's been moved by Council Member
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to approve tonight's agenda as
presented. Any discussion? All right.

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Hearing none, all those in favor say I.
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» All those opposed, none. Motion pass.
Okay. Consent agenda.

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see anything.
>> Madame Mayor, I move to approve the

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consent agenda.
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» So moved by Council Member Renard,
second by Council Member Allen to

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approve tonight's consent agenda. Any
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Hearing none. All those in favor say I.
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» All those opposed, same sign. Motion
pass. All right. So, next is public

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comment. We're making a little change to
that. So, when you come up, you will be

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given five minutes. Please state your
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members have been instructed to not
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comment and this will be the only time
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asked or given the opportunity to speak.
So, Michael, we've got you first.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. Yeah.

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final 101 street

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or 16

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but um lately has been the first
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even um
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for in the streets um
friend of mine told me, "Hey, you know,

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when some of the ordinances said,
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responsible for deleting the street
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And I thought, well, that seems kind of
a gun. Um, city takes care of everything

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else. The snow um they have streets
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streets, but um I haven't looked at the
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the ratio of age groups in El, but I I
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elderly people. I mean what I call
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assume that. Okay. Um, but do we really
want people who are on disability or

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retired due to health issues with
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limited sights, um, limited mobility,
going out into the city streets to risk

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their safety
in the streets, managing to reach in the

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streets. Um I I mean it just seems to me
like it would be beneficial for citizens

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of the community if the city could could
uh change the ordinance there and uh in

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consideration for owners generations and
um and and handle the situation. We do

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have city crew from the facility that I
do take care of some places around parks

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and stuff. They mo weedy stuff like
that. Why can't we use that same city

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crew to handle this the weeds in the
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the cheap labor from the facility. I
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um but
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require residents to be on the streets
and I've seen some people driving down

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streets. They don't pay attention.
um somebody's going to get hurt and and

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and and trying to be done around and
that's that's not going to be a very

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good publicity at all for the city or
something like that came up and I just

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wanted to bring it up and leave it for
discussion and um you can do what you

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want to do with it but um that's just
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you know concern for our needs
presidents who really can't get that

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done like that. So on their own maybe
they can't afford to pay somebody

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limited incomes
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» Thank you Michaels.

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Yeah, I guess this gives us the
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next month's meeting's agenda.
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» Comes in the me side.
>> Uh let's move on to unfinished business

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discussion of creating a special sales
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improvements.
Madame Mayor, council members, of

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course, you brought this up a month or
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different neighboring communities and
everything else. And you know, just

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rehash locally, you know, we have the 6
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1%
general fund sales tax. The county has a

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1% fund general sales tax. However, as
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general's fund sale general sales tax is
split between the entities in the five

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cities in the county based on the
population. There's a ratio statewide

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ratio half for population and half for
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receive I believe it's 30 some% of the
county sales tax. Um, and everybody says

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why would the city get county sales tax?
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city and in the county both or pick any
business. Um, and you know, and the old

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rational statewise was is that, you
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used this year for different things, it
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maintenance and all the other things
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same way. It hasn't changed. Um and then
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city has a 1/4% sales tax that was
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year u for debt service and of course
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still floating out there that was
approved last year. Now, since that's

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not a general sales tax, it'd have to be
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you I told you that story how um certain
person wanted to give the three and not

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the three in western Kansas and then the
state the house said no, we're not going

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to finally and usually that's been a
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one that ever got turned down until this
year and there was three of them. So,

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all six got turned down. So, I don't
know what the status is. I have had

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different discussions with different
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So be another quarter%. You know what
initially I put out there with T is is

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staff too is is we talk about some of
the projects we have to do and you

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either pay them with property taxes or
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course you know we are going to our
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again. Um I think we need to for a lot
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up. We have to tiff the gap and
everything else, but you know, we know

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we have a $350, $400,000
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with the power holes out there. Ron has
talked about those with you and of

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course, you know, back at this building
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get grants to replace the windows. I
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there's always talk about since this
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putting AC out there and which means
we're preparing everything else and you

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probably could do better. We talked
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would think we struggled on facilities.
So to put a sales tax in place and Cra

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and I have talked u we would do a
resolution at the next meeting. Uh the

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council says yes, we want to put it on
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before September 1, it would go to the
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November I believe November 3rd ballot.
I think that's the dated. Uh so that's

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the process. Um, I think it's a good
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cities are going to have to start
looking, especially with all the talk

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and all you have to do is watch every
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property taxes and one they're going to
change revenue sources. One would be

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sales tax and two would be um use fees
and that's another story for them taxes

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and and we've looked at those. you know,
a year ago the s the city um council um

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changed the way we charge at the pool
and everybody [clears throat] thought,

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"Oh my god, it's going to be the end of
the world." It hasn't been. And you

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know, another thing we throw in there
was this platform. I mean, I think we

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could be kind of focused on those kind
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Probably. You know, right now quarter%
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Um, I don't know if want to push up to a
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think you try it and get a taste to the
public. I mean, that's that's kind of my

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recommendation. So, um, if you'll move
forward, let me know. We'll we'll have

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our city attorney do a resolution for
the next meeting, but you know, or you

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want you think we ought to do do a sales
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that discussion.
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if we do a sales tax that will not
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it's sales tax everything you buy. The
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again I draw about the old C district
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and I know I believe Coastal Market was
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tax there went down 1% or was pay 1% tax
it went down now we go back up a quarter

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» um you know and there's arguments of
course you know when you go to another

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town and buy something um you're
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financing something in that community
um though it's not been done here and I

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don't advocate by any stretch of
imagination but there is communities in

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western Kansas that are now using
working with the school district because

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school district can't let any sales tax
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school improvement done. Um I know Ray
HBC administrator they did that last

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year they did a bond issue and says you
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on the side and you know and it was a
combination again I think we look at

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property taxes and other income tax
sources you know and everyone says let's

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cut taxes well why do you want to cut
services we can take the ball likes down

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and play afternoon baseball the rest
forever not sure if this committee wants

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to do that or you know any other items
Well, I know as a citizen I think I'd

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rather pay a sales tax than to find out
my property taxes when well the nice

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thing about sales tax is if you buy
local you know you are and and sales tax

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have grown in communities because of the
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So when you buy something off of Amazon
it's delivered here. Well, if you go to

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the Nebraska For Racetrack in Kansas
City and you buy a couch and it's

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delivered to Ellsworth, Kansas, Kansas
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Now, if you throw the back of your
pickup, you may have one there because

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we don't have any major car dealerships
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you have those those communities and the
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So bottom line, you're just going to ask
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that the citizens
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happen. The only power you as everybody
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it. Every sales tax, every local sales
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sales tax has to be approved by voters
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tax too I says but if your friends you
and your friends voted for well they you

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know in sales tax the biggest sales tax
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actually a one% in Engles camp because
Engles is not very big but that's how

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they're going to be funding some water
they're all doable but I think with just

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the needs we have you know the ballpark
lights are staring at us And and I think

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we all know that it's not a matter of
if they're going to fall down, it's when

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and with the liability we have out
there, you know, then and having good

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strong programs. we do um that became
the need at least a need and then we

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start other things in here and of course
um you know issue in this building or

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could be energy cost also but then if
you go to this building

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need to look at that Tim you know
because it is a a cornerstone of the

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community and once in a while it's good
to do things for your community I mean

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yeah you got to do streets and you got
to do curb got those things

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but also quality programs are important
to your community as well.

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» So, do we need to have this more like
what it's going to go for or can we use

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so people might want to vote for we
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» No, we have to be pretty narrow. We
would call community and park right now.

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I think the word um city buildings and
park facilities

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and and people have next and Paul and I
can sit and I can narrow it down a

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little bit. But um and that money can be
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» Okay.
>> Just like right now the you know we

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cannot use the sales tax right now to
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buy a mower for the department. We can
use it to pay debt on some things but

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that's it. So yeah. Yeah. Sales taxes
general sales tax all goes to the

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general funds and general fund us is
wide open there.

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» So worth a shot.
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» Yeah.
>> We'll have a resolution next meeting

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then.
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» Thanks.
>> Okay. Next new business discussion of

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the 2027 budget.
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via RNR. I'm working on it. We'll have
the hearing on the 14th of September.

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Um, you know, and I think we can fit
everything in. Um, there's a lot of give

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and takes because you got to realize
budget is not guaranteed spending.

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Budget is budget authority. revenue
still has to come in. If sales tax

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doesn't come in, if if um if our water,
you know, utility transfer from, you

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know, water to, you know, we have to
franchise fees we have from all of our

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utilities plus for natural gas and
everything else. If that lowers, you

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have less money, you can't spend it, but
you create the authority. Of course, we

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know we have the discussion on the
contracts right now. We're talking

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about, you know, how that happens. to
put that in there and then how will we

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spend the money but we'll leave the
authority how you spend it will become

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the process next year but you have to
have the authority because you don't

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have authority you can't spend and I
hate to amend budgets I mean that's an

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allville ism because you know have
enough money in there spend now grant if

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we ever have something n a good natural
disaster will break your budget big time

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[clears throat] and there's ways to get
around that of course but um let's not

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play on that so let's say anything real
big there. Um, you know, I think we got

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the fifth issue that that coming off is
going to put basically another $110,000

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at the city conference, which right now
my goal again as we transition to new

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administrator, my recommendation is is
use that to help finance

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um the third street project.
>> Yeah. So, I'm going to ask you how how

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is that? There's still things, you know,
and we're not going to go to get funding

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yet because I don't want to borrow money
I don't need yet. Yeah.

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» Because no sense paying interest when
you don't need the money. But yeah,

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we'll get out of place. I think that's
timing is great on that one there. You

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know, um that was one reason why I want
to push to get rid of TIF because one

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time it was good. Secondly, current
legislation allows TIFF to, you know,

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the city people have been paying these
taxes, they can keep them. some of the

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stuff on the property tax last spring
would have thrown that away. That'd be

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just like we've been paying this for
years. We got the tiff done, but the

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city you can't use 110,000 you didn't
get it. It goes away. Well, I understand

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the total property taxes, but really,
you know, you still got still got to

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maintain your communities.
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there's a process [clears throat] there
is some method behind some of this

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matters once in a while. Once in a
while. So, we'll keep moving forward and

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keep you updated and we'll have it
published at the end of August and then

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hearing on the 14th and again we look at
RNR so we know it's going to be 70

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77 mill whatever it is um of course you
got up there with my RNRs I got a second

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statement my families did today
after tax far and county their taxes are

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all going down but since some of the
agencies have that are in our hearings,

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they have to send the state send out
notice. So, you know, on that quarter

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ground where I have my all right in
Brooks County, they probably the state

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of Kansas and the counties probably
spend in excess of a couple hundred

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dollars set up our our notice to tell us
our taxes are going down.

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I did send that to way master

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because they want us to spending money
they need as well.

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» Yeah.
So our budget hearing is the 14th at

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5:30 or different time
>> during the meeting. I I've also moved

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and again this you know I think it's a
good process moved to hearings in in the

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meeting because the problem in the past
you've had hearings ahead of the meeting

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there's no minutes and they were kept
the same and I just like during the

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meeting now I have been criticized in
the past let's say where we said the

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hearing starts at 5:30 and it was 5:36
when we got to the hearing and somebody

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complained we're going to win that
battle so don't worry about it. Yeah.

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All
right. Anything else for new business?

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All right. Let's move on to department
heads

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that

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Murphy.

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You want me to move closer?
>> Good evening.

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» So,
got a couple issues. So, I want to

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address you guys with uh we had since
I've been here, we got our first call of

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uh public urination
never responded to. Then we found out

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that we don't have a city ordinance
for public urination

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or defecation. So, I'm here to ask
your feelings on

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having our city attorney
ordinance. K is that they didn't have

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anything?
>> No.

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» No, we looked uh I talked to our city
attorney and he thought we had one of

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course he looked
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before it becomes a problem.
I'd like some input from from you all

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get a consensus from you guys do that.
Just you know city did not have nor till

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2017 again found the same
>> everybody probably thought they did

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» this time courtesy don't do that
>> I just still walk out the street naked

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can't they

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» right I mean
>> give me a call when you do that

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» nobody wants to see that
you're really

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The second topic I have this is uh yeah
so I have fielded several complaints

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plus our office fielded several
complaints on the ebikes.

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So, I didn't know
I've seen them around town

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and state statute has
they treat them as like a bicycle.

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So, there's really no legal way of
taking care of this. As long as they got

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pedals, it is a considered bicycle.
There's three different classifications

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of the ebikes.
Class three, they run 40 mph.

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State statute says that at class three
you have to be 16 years of age.

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yeah 16 years of age
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ebike.

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One way you can distinguish this class
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determining class rates.
So again, I'd like to get a consensus

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with the council
that we can start drafting ordinance for

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the need by ext.

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I mean, I've already witnessed one child
that crossed first in Kansas that almost

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didn't make it.
Um just a quick question. I would assume

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that to ebikes also have to follow
posted speed limits or or do they not?

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Do they fall under posted speed limits?
>> They are considered a bicycles.

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» So So even if I have a regular bicycle,
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they're considered bicycles, so they are
not. Okay. I just

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» And these and these kids again, I mean,
a lot of these kids, they're supposed to

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stay off the sidewalks, but like a
regular kid on a bicycle, a lot of times

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they don't. I mean, [clears throat]
they're on and off sidewalks and really

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nobody paid attention to them. But with
these ebikes, ebikes, they're more on

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the on the sidewalks now than they ever
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I mean some of the options we have on we
can ban them in town which is really

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harsh.
>> Yeah.

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» Or we just put some regulations out
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» Yeah, we can put regulations.
>> Sorry,

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» we can't have regulations.
>> I think you can enforce it.

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» Just like uh I mean Okay. So with a
child under the age of 16 and it's a

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parent falls back on the parents. That's
where you go with that's where you go

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with forcing regulations.
>> But it's just the class three ones

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for all of them.
>> Well,

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the class 3 is the ones I'm worried
about. That's the 40 mph ones cuz that's

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the one 16
>> and then but you got these other

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do we regulate for these ebikes for the
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» Um
I mean these these ebikes are getting to

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where you don't even have to hit the
pedals. Yeah,

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» you just push off and you're going.
>> If I may add, Chief, can you let me talk

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for Chief raising his hand?
>> Yeah. Um, so the other side of that age

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issue is I've served some much older
people, almost bikes,

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» and they're using them because they're
unable to use other forms of

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transportation.
>> I was going with that, too. And uh and I

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I was coming up and I saw one coming
down 8th Street one day uh and cut

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through the American Family Law to avoid
the intersection and then blew the light

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down Third Street and they were using
these because they don't have the mode

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of transportation
or they don't want to get caught with

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the possibility of maybe having one too
many when they go run flickers,

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» right?
>> So, I don't know if we classify them.

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Can we reclassify what they [snorts]
have they are?

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» I don't think you can reclassify them
the actual ebike itself. I don't I don't

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believe you can reclassify the ebike
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but on a class 3 you can make it to
where you have to have a valid driver's

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license.

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» Vehicle can.
>> Yeah,

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» I'm trying to follow the stat. Yeah,
that's I do believe I read one one city

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did classify you had to have a class a
valid class be 16 and a valid driver's

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license for a class 3.
>> That's not a motor vehicle,

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» right?
>> I think wouldn't that be a little

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» It's like a core
>> because a moped uh

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» under 50 cc
>> under Yeah. 49 cc.

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» Do you have to have a What do you got to
have for that? I'm pretty sure the state

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statute says that on even on class
threes uh cannot require a driver's

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license title or insurance. Is that
Yeah, I I know they've went back and

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forth on that's what
they are not considered motor vehicles.

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uh insurance license and title cannot be
required on those but it does you do

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have to be 16 but it gets into how do
you prove your how old you are have an

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ID your license so that kind of gets
messy there but uh we can as a city

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override the state uh requirements on
that but we can put additional

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regulations now as far as you were
saying with the

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um traffic enforcements, bicycles, even
though it's not a motor vehicle, it's

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operated on the road. Still has standard
traffic laws. You can't blow through

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stop signs. You can't blow through the
stop light. You have to stop. You have

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to do just like you would if you were in
a vehicle because you're operating on

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the property. So, or on the city
property on the street. So, uh, as far

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as traffic enforcement goes, and I would
even you'd have to say, well, if they're

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running 40 mph in a 20 mph zone on an
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that's still a standard traffic offense.
So, um you could be the officers could

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address that as well, but um it it is an
area that uh obviously we need to look

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into more to make sure that we don't run
a foul with these state statutes when

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we're drafted. We've had some initial
communications about it. I think that uh

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there are some good regulations that
could be put in place. A lot of them

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focus more on the safety standard. Not
saying that we don't want ebikes. You

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don't want people to utilize ebikes for
any reason. You just if they're going to

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make sure they're using the problem
related using them safe safely for

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themselves and for other vehicles on the
way.

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» Could that be something we look into is
maybe putting out something on hey you

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know these are like a bikes you can't
ride on the sidewalks or can they ride

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» the educational part of it? Yeah.
helmet.

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» That's where there's no there's no state
requirement on helmets on bicycles. So

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that's where we'd have to come back into
local regulations on whether we want to

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require as part of our ordinance or part
of the local regulations that everyone

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wears a helmet that anyone under a
certain age wears a you know you get it

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to to those types of things. Um, and
that's why I think the local regulations

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are more emphasizing the the safety of
it as opposed to the actual use of it.

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» Dan, did you still have some comments?
>> Yes, I did. Just a clarification about

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Thank you. for the helmets and the
safety gear. Uh, what did you just say

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about that? Did you
>> uh to my knowledge and again this is

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these are relatively new. So, I I'm
going once I get an idea of what uh the

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council's um how you're wanting to
proceed on this, I'll be able to dive

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deeper into it and get you a more
informed opinion. As this kind of became

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an issue in about the last week, so I'm
playing a little bit of catchup, but uh

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to my knowledge, there's not a state
requirement for wearing a helmet uh on a

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bicycle. And because these ebikes aren't
considered bicycles, that helmet or

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safety requirement would have to come
through a local regulation as opposed to

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relying on a state statute where uh law
enforcement could uh enforce that

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without council action. And and it's
interesting uh chief that this has came

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up uh because I did write a letter to
the editor about some observations that

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I made uh with I mean I'm seeing kids
they can't be over 12 years old and and

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they're on those moped scooters and they
have skill these folks are riding.

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» Oh yeah. and they're cutting across
parking lots and I don't think they're

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on the side of the street. I think
they're more in the street, right? And

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the clients we're getting to, they're
jumping from the sidewalks to the

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streets. People are standing on their
brakes to avoid hitting them or the fear

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of hitting, I shouldn't say, but the
fear of hitting them. Um,

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like I said, the one kid I saw, I mean,
he didn't even look when he jumped

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across Kansas. He just rode right across
Kansas.

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» I got there's some same kids go through
the intersection intersection

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» and they don't even look. They just buzz
through there. What about licensing the

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bikes? No time requirements either
because they're not vehicle but I mean

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do I know there
are

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» you can do you're talking about
>> yes

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if you did that at least you'd have some
handle on who's got what

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» does it have a serial number on it or
you'd have be able to track it

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» I [clears throat] think you could uh do
by her heads

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You can't separate out ebikines from any
you'd have to say everyone in town has

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to come in and
>> ferment their bike.

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» Well, I know it's not a good idea.
>> We had those

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» We had those back in the 60s.
>> Yeah,

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» you had
>> I agreed that I don't think we should do

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that. I could see if if we had
like bike parking or something and you

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had areas where there were large bike
racks that people were using, you want

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to make sure that the bikes were
permitted for use in the city, something

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like that. I could see a permitting
system being used. U but again, this

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that is something that would be up to
council to decide u if if that's the

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route you want to go. I think the
biggest issue that that's going to come

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is going to be, you know, obviously some
of these kids look way under 16. Uh but

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it's Not only being under 16, it's also
knowing what classification of bike

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they're using, which is difficult to
know without actually stopping the bike

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and saying, "Hey, what kind of bike are
you want?"

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» Well, it's only a matter of time here
before somebody gets hurt,

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unfortunately. But and that's what we're
trying to fix.

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» Yeah.
>> And I'm just trying to figure out a way

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that we can do that and still try to
maintain our state.

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» And in uh quite a few other city, this
is nothing. It's new for Kansas, but as

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far as municipalities regulating ebikes,
it's this is not the first city to

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attempt to do it. There is a lot of
information out there. Everyone's doing

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a little separate little bit different
with separate ways just because what

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works for Kansas City might not work for
Wall, which might not work for

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elsewhere, you know. uh do do what works
for your locality, but uh there is quite

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00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:50,559
a bit of information out there and uh
wider provided me with some as well. Um

414
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:53,840
just regarding um different
city ordinances that have already been

415
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:58,880
put into place. So, we're not
reinventing the wheel here. It's just

416
00:33:55,519 --> 00:34:03,679
you have to make sure what it's what we
put together is what council wants and

417
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:10,000
you know what you guys feel work for us.
scooters. Would this encompass scooters

418
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:17,280
also?
>> It could um not the ebike ordinance

419
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:21,679
itself refers specifically to electronic
bicycles which a scooter is not an

420
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:27,359
electronic bicycle
but it could be the ordinance could be

421
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:31,200
drafted to include those. Just you got
to make you got to make sure it's clear

422
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:35,760
for law enforcement. They they've got to
know. And for individuals operating it,

423
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,599
they want to know when they're out
there, if their kids are out there, what

424
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,879
they need for their kids uh to be legal,
how to do it properly. Because the idea

425
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:45,520
is you don't want to be don't want to be
writing a bunch of kids tickets. You

426
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:49,520
don't want to be writing a bunch of
parents tickets because of what kids

427
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:53,839
have done. That that that's not I don't
think that's the purpose of it.

428
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:56,240
» You just don't you don't want kids hurt.
You don't want them killed. You want to

429
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,560
make sure that everyone's on the same
page with that. Let's start off with

430
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:05,200
education first and go to schools,
educating kids first. Okay? I mean,

431
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:11,119
that's that's not my priority. But if we
had something to go by, something we

432
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:15,440
drafted up to go by, hey, look, this is
this is new. Understand it's new. This

433
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,720
is why
>> and I'm glad you brought that. Uh we've

434
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,160
had, like I said, we've had
communication.

435
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:26,640
My position is really on anything uh
that we bring before council. I'd like

436
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:30,800
council to give an opinion on it before
uh you know we spend a bunch of time

437
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,000
putting together uh regulations or
proposed ordinance that you come back

438
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,480
and say well no we're not interested in
doing that. It just kind of wasted

439
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:42,000
everybody's time. So um I think if
that's something that the council's

440
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:47,119
interested in uh we can get her together
and we'll work with uh city

441
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:53,359
administrator uh Dinkl as well to uh get
that on a future agenda and uh allow you

442
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,960
guys opportunity to review it.
I

443
00:35:55,839 --> 00:36:00,720
» like I heard you.
>> I mean, I don't think we need to make

444
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,880
more law and we don't we already have
enough. Just talk to your kids and say

445
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,359
if they're jumping the curb, say quit it
and I'll take the bike away. That's the

446
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,920
only easy your school does probably.
>> Yeah.

447
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,800
» Yeah. We have more parents like that.
>> Yeah. Well,

448
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,640
» I don't know what you're going to What
are you going to do? Ban them? I mean,

449
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:24,640
that's not I don't want to see that.
>> I don't want to ask Don't do that. It

450
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,400
isn't, damn. I think it's if the city
wants to add additional restrictions

451
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:33,040
regarding their operation is really what
it comes down to. And it's not saying

452
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:40,160
don't use them. It's if you're going to
use them, you need helmets. You need to

453
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:45,359
use this or um just to put some more
safety precautions in there. But also,

454
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:50,000
this is why we talk to council first. If
council's opinion is no, it's just an

455
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:54,720
education issue. you want to try going
the education route, that's up to you

456
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,720
guys if you want to do that or not. Um,
but what we're saying is the way it

457
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:06,160
currently is stated there really the
only restriction that the uh city police

458
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:12,000
can enforce is if they see a 16 under 16
year old on a class 3 ebike. If they

459
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,520
show that then that is violation of
state statute then that can be

460
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:19,359
addressed. outside of that regarding
ebikes other than standard traffic

461
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,240
enforcement
is kind of technical.

462
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:31,839
Is the city liable?
What I mean is if someone had an

463
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:38,079
accident, we didn't have an ordinance
and we didn't do the awareness stuff.

464
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:42,560
Could a complaint be filed at the city a
complaint can always be filed? I mean,

465
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:48,240
it's not a complaint being filed. And
again, that's a very general question.

466
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:55,599
Every liability issue is going to be
very fact specific. Generally speaking,

467
00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:02,320
if a someone were to operate an ebike in
violation of state statute or operate an

468
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:06,480
ebike where an accident occurred,
>> it's going to be very difficult to say

469
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:10,079
that's the city's fault unless the city
had some involvement on it just because

470
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:16,320
the city didn't say, "Well, you have to
wear a helmet." Uh

471
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:22,160
but I don't particularly want that on my
conscience that you know something could

472
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:28,160
have been done and we didn't then
I mean some accidents are unavoidable.

473
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:31,599
Yes. But uh I agree with with Tyler if
parents would say yes you need you know

474
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:36,079
if you're going to operate a 30 m per
hour bike as a you know 16 year old you

475
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,760
may want to throw one.
>> Yeah.

476
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:43,119
» I agree.
So that awareness and

477
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:47,520
» I mean some education would probably
help because I know probably who you're

478
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:53,760
talking about
an idea but and I I'm going to do some

479
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:57,480
talking myself too.
I might don't

480
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,200
if you guys are all right with it. Uh we
can throw together as long if you want

481
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:07,119
to at least review it. We can throw
together what uh some other

482
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:13,440
municipalities have done. Let's take a
look at it. You guys say no, we don't

483
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:16,560
need more laws. Fine. That's what you
guys decides.

484
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,320
» Think it'd be worth our time and theirs
to

485
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:22,079
» Absolutely.
>> Absolutely. But again, it's fine. I'm

486
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,720
with you. I don't want to m take a loss,
but I am I am concerned. I was almost

487
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:32,160
part of a first accident. I had a young
man on a bike on a sidewalk. It was

488
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:35,200
ebikes of direction. Um, he got behind a
parked car where I couldn't swim

489
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:39,760
immediately after the parked car was a
driveway and he decided to transition

490
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,280
from the sidewalk to the road at that
point and came out from behind that park

491
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:47,760
and I'm missing my
>> and I don't want to be that guy. So

492
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:54,680
» yeah, nobody hopefully education works.
>> I don't want to but it is conserving.

493
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,680
I'm going to do some educ

494
00:39:54,707 --> 00:39:56,727
[laughter]

495
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,040
time to catch them when they're in a
confined area. It's all

496
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:10,800
» and I think if could we make some social
media posts on our Facebook like on city

497
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,119
Facebook page that we could all share
that way

498
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:18,079
» gets in front of lots of people.
>> Yeah. all about the education part first

499
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,760
before we
just want to bring it to your attention

500
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:27,599
let you know that this is we are filming
fielding phone call on this and um

501
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,280
just have to tell that you know state
statute that's all we have to go by

502
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:36,359
right now and then we are going trying
to work on something so I just want to

503
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,359
bring it to your attention

504
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,240
» sounds like you and Mr. Casper will be
busy.

505
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,720
» Thank you.
>> Thanks. Thank you.

506
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,720
» Okay, Mr. Boltz.

507
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,400
» We have
>> I didn't get on.

508
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:18,319
» Yeah. Uh we have contract that need to
be looked at and uh asked before the

509
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:24,400
20th of this month on some equipment.
Um I didn't know

510
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,319
I didn't realize I have a lot of
questions because it's new equipment and

511
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:35,599
I'm trying to find out there got to be
some warranty. I have to pay $5,000 for

512
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:41,760
we bought for 19,000.
So I that's

513
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:46,880
you know it's just the you know
I'm pretty sure they have like a warning

514
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:54,599
on any any parts
but this is this is for them to come out

515
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,599
and do our u

516
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,720
you know make sure that they're uh

517
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:11,839
how do I put um in compliance
is what that that

518
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:17,920
contracts for is to make sure each each
individual

519
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:23,119
improvement is in compant
with

520
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:29,920
and there isn't that they'll fix it for
nothing.

521
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:35,400
So is this one critical?
Yeah, because it's a brand new

522
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:55,680
» flight was all a little bit is paying if
I'm paying for a fourth the price now

523
00:42:50,960 --> 00:43:00,000
again and I want to check other cities.
So if it's due by the 20th, well then

524
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,920
that'll be fine.
>> Okay.

525
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,240
» Just making sure.
>> Well, I just, you know,

526
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:14,000
» I didn't see it. So I think I'll bring
it up. Other than that, we got parts

527
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:20,920
again for Zodia. I should have run again
on tomorrow.

528
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,920
So, um,

529
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:31,119
it just seems like
the sound houses breaking down. So,

530
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,319
trying to keep on top of it.
>> Well, we appreciate you all your hard

531
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:39,680
work. Your department does.
>> Thank you.

532
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:44,960
» Okay, Mr. Gford.
>> Madam Mayor, outside of discussion to

533
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:49,760
that, I don't have anything fertil
questions for me regarding ordinances or

534
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:53,839
anything.
>> So, thanks

535
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:59,359
» Mrs. Ranker. No,
>> Mr.

536
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:06,240
Yes. Right here at the K14
open house [snorts] at the rec center

537
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:10,640
from 2:30 to 3:30 on Thursday. Again,
there's no there's no good renovation.

538
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:15,920
There's like your boards out there. And
again, if the community wants to know

539
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:20,800
what Konies talk about for K14, show up
there. And

540
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:25,040
» the public is at a different time.
>> I got a postcard about it and I thought

541
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:29,200
the public open houses in the evening.
>> I didn't know that. Okay. Well, look at

542
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,319
your papers. You probably Okay.
>> Yeah.

543
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,880
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. And um but yeah, and it's just a

544
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:38,000
good way to know what's happening
community and and I don't think there's

545
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:43,920
anybody in this community that thinks
improvement on K14 is a bad idea and uh

546
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,000
you know has shoulders there and
everything else. So be good thing there.

547
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,240
um comment on the you know last council
made you talked about the moving to the

548
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:57,839
streets of course as we identified even
though it was discussion two years ago

549
00:44:55,280 --> 00:45:03,920
it's always been that the property owner
main center the rightway you know the

550
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:07,760
front and back um which is probably 90%
of the cities in the city of Kansas um

551
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:15,760
can we still go out there and spray a
time if we need to y we can we can um

552
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:20,160
you know if you drive in that part of
this community you see most of them are

553
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:27,440
getting on brick streets I get all that
new streets for the most part you see it

554
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:30,880
um schedule um a city clerk and and
coach director are putting some

555
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:34,319
education together talk about that a
little bit we get that out there that

556
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:38,560
way getting a ticket or anything but
it's the process I think this is a good

557
00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:44,240
point everybody's always wants to
complain about property taxes

558
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:50,880
that means this you have to cooperate
with the city too. So I, as I said, we

559
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:55,760
don't have budgets. I can make a budget
as big as you want to,

560
00:45:53,520 --> 00:46:01,200
but can you have to guess and give 150
200 mill taxes? Hopefully not. I mean,

561
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,880
that's what it boils down to. It's that
whole community thing being part of the

562
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:09,280
community. And again, I I was surprised
when I got here when we didn't do it

563
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:14,079
because every city 35 years, that's a
responsibility. And trust me as a

564
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:17,920
neighbor when I took care of mine I
probably took care the block you know

565
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:25,760
and when the city sprayed the past I'm
find out we probably did some not smart

566
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:31,920
things told the local extension um
crop guy and he did what? Yeah, we did

567
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:35,920
it, you know, and uh and so, you know,
when the city stopped doing they did it

568
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:40,240
for the right reason. It's just educated
to go and work for public. Again, as we

569
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,839
as a community want to watch our
property taxes, it takes teamwork and

570
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:48,240
that's what it's going to take. I think
this is a good place to start there. Um,

571
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,319
funny, we talked about golf carts the
office today and we had an employee that

572
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:57,280
took a golf cart. Just so you know, you
cannot take a golf cart down Douglas.

573
00:46:55,599 --> 00:47:02,720
You can cross Douglas but you can't take
it down because golf carts are banned on

574
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:07,920
state highways. Joker and this person we
kind of have to break the law but that's

575
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:12,000
okay. I got still the point is is we
have golf carts and we have we have

576
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:16,560
orings for that but stay those nonate
golf cart down the state highway. So

577
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:21,119
crawl she can't go down. So one of those
weird things that's all I have to

578
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:26,079
session. Thank you.
>> All right. Uh, city council, council

579
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:32,240
member Allen, council member Moon.
>> Uh, yes, Madame Mayor. Uh, Mr. Dinko,

580
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,960
just two things. I I know you're busy. I
I probably don't know how busy you are.

581
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:42,240
Uh, but I know in one of our meetings,
you talk about you identify a lot of

582
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:45,880
ordinances that needed to be either
looked at or rewritten.

583
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:54,720
That is task one.
That's what I mean. again

584
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,920
role I always like my job just to hold
cover.

585
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,520
» Okay.
>> But to carry it through, you know, you

586
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:05,839
know. Okay.
>> Okay. Second thing is this the the issue

587
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:12,000
about the rebuilding
uh it was going to go to the city

588
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:15,359
planner. Uh someone's house burned down
and the issue that came up with should

589
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,280
he rebuild?
>> We haven't had a meeting December 21st

590
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,240
just due to schedules and everything
else. just so delic

591
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,240
Bishop
>> council member

592
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,119
» no
>> right and I don't have anything either

593
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,160
» good
>> we're moving into executive

594
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,160
» s

595
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,000
and then add more

596
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:51,760
» and is not able to join us tonight so it
will just be

597
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,240
Okay.
>> Yeah.

598
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,400
» Madam Mayor, I move that the council
recess from executive session to include

599
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:03,760
the mayor, council, city attorney, and
interim city administrator for 20

600
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:07,680
minutes beginning at uh we'll say 18:20
to discuss matters regarding non-elected

601
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:11,359
personnel to review and discuss
applications for the city administrator

602
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,359
position. The justification is to
protect the privacy of the applicants

603
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:20,640
for this nonvited position is provided
by KSA754319.

604
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:26,240
The open meeting is resumed in this room
at uh 6:40.

605
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,440
Second that. It's
>> been moved by council member Allen,

606
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:34,880
second by council member Bernard to move
uh into executive session and to to

607
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:39,760
include the mayor, council, city
attorney, and interim city administrator

608
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:42,960
for 20 minutes starting at 6:20 to
discuss matters regarding non-elected

609
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,720
personnel.
Any discussion?

610
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:51,359
» Great. All those in favor say I. I.
>> Those opposed, same sign. Same pass.

611
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:57,559
» Yes, they do.
>> Yes. I just wanted to clarify that

612
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:10,000
» upon returning from executive session. I
suggest the following motion. I move the

613
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:16,160
city council return from executive
session where no decision were made and

614
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,359
no action was taken. I second. Been
moved by council member Bishop, second

615
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:23,920
by council member Moon to come back from
executive session where no action was

616
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:29,200
taken and no decisions were made. All
those in favor say I. I. Sign pass.

617
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:32,720
» All right, Ros, I think you have
something to say.

618
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,760
» Madam Mayor, I move that this council
recess for an executive session to

619
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:41,319
include the mayor, council, and interim
city administrator administrator and

620
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applic.

621
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:50,240
Okay, let me start over. I move the city
council recess. Um, no, I can't see

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that. Somebody else did. I put mine
away.

623
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,839
» Hang on. At least you got your
>> And I have Lori here looking at

624
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» I move that the council recess for an
executive session to include the mayor,

625
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:10,920
council, city attorney, and the interim
city administrator for 10 minutes

626
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,920
uh at

627
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:14,359
18:44.

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to discuss matters regarding non-elected
personnel to review and discuss

629
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,200
applicants for the city administer
position. The justification is to

630
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:31,040
protect the privacy of the applicants
for this non-elected position and is

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provided by KSA 75431B
subsection B subsection 1. The open

632
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:43,119
meeting is to resume in this room at
1854.

633
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,720
» I second. Been moved by council member
Bishop, second by council member Moon to

634
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:51,040
recess for an executive session to
include the mayor, city council, city

635
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:55,440
attorney, and interim city administrator
for 10 minutes starting at 6:44 to

636
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,480
discuss matters regarding non-elective
personnel to review and discuss

637
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,800
applicants for the city administrator
position. Any discussion? Hearing none,

638
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:06,839
all those in favor say I.
>> I signed

639
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:19,200
Skip that first part. Upon returning,
just go straight to the motion.

640
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,280
» Upon returning from executive session, I
suggest the following motion. I move the

641
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city council return from executive
session where no decisions were made or

642
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no action was taken.
>> Second.

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00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,319
» Been moved by council member Bishop,
second by council member Moon to return

644
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from executive session where no
decisions were made and no action was

645
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taken. All those in favor say I. I. Say
motion pass.

646
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:50,400
Okay. Anything else?
Anybody want to adjurnn?

647
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:53,599
Mayor make a motion we
second.

648
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:56,880
» It's been moved by council member Ellen,
second by council member Moon to adjourn

649
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:59,680
tonight's meeting. All those in favor
say I.

650
00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:04,359
» I. Those opposed, same signed. Motion
passed. to full coffee