1 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,400 wonderful F 2 00:00:23,039 --> 00:00:26,039 Monday 3 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Thanksgiving you had honey lists on Thanksgiving week 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,280 she did you 5 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,079 volunteer it's making me so 6 00:00:53,399 --> 00:00:56,399 mad 7 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 good 8 00:01:02,239 --> 00:01:09,759 me why don't you do we get ready to start I thought earlier you had a 9 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,759 picture sticking out of 10 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,840 it 11 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:45,960 and I don't know if there is any legality into 12 00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:53,519 stopping an established neighborhood Crossing into AR not um that um with new 13 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:58,000 owners and new homes but um understanding the realities behind 14 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:03,320 that might be useful because it's going to 15 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,320 come already 16 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:16,799 does have that down for him to sign um just a quick question 17 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:20,440 so if there is a request in the future what is the process that would occur at 18 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,399 that point if there's a request to 19 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:31,799 connect which is at this point been denied 20 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:36,159 and the council voted to close the road the original request to connect was 21 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,960 a was was approved developer did not live up to 22 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:45,159 the conditions of the approval that approval lapsed following that the 23 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:48,679 council voted to temporarily close this the road 24 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:56,279 um that it over comes is is I I need to go to the 25 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,279 council 26 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:05,519 then the way any other item goes on your agenda um 27 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:10,760 andly you would all know about it um it would not necessarily be a public 28 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:17,159 hearing U because I don't think you need a public hearing to take off a temporary 29 00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:21,200 closure doesn't mean it would you know certainly be a public meeting take 30 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:26,240 comment as you choose even though it's not of public 31 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:30,880 hearing and you'd make your decisions 32 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:35,200 is that the process you're you're because there's no public hearing 33 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,720 there's no requirement to notify but could we make sure that when that's 34 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:44,440 going to be on the agenda at a minimum that Stephanie is aware well in advance 35 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:50,000 yeah so that she can then communicate that yeah and we've been in touch with 36 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:54,320 the Martins in the past as a conduit to the to the neighborhood we could 37 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,320 certainly do that as 38 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:01,760 well just to clarify one thing when we say temporary I thought it was temporary 39 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,760 inde 40 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:11,399 definitely we not we not closed the road we not abandon it abandon it changes 41 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:16,200 ownership patterns and all that we temporarily closed it it stays 42 00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:22,840 temporarily closed until the council decides to reopen 43 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:26,480 it it it is indefinite but it's I can't say it's permanent because all it takes 44 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,760 is a vote you know take a vote of the council to change 45 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:38,519 so can the council truly stop that road from opening or is that that state 46 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:44,840 involved the state statutes authorize the town to regulate 47 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:49,559 the flow of traffic on town roads as long as do is not involved so the 48 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:54,200 question to our attorney today I'm sorry to speak over you m so the question is 49 00:31:51,399 --> 00:32:01,159 Brook Brook viiew is a town maintained and owned Road as is Aspen yes now right 50 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:07,360 we we have full responsibility for that is that shared with Gibsonville no so 51 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:15,080 the property owners here on Gibson field on Brook View we service the road for 52 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:22,360 them um in the area we are talking about it is solely our responsibility I would 53 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:28,000 have to verify as you get out toward uh the Westbrook end um or the at that 54 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,760 point um the municipal boundary does some weird 55 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:37,360 things I I won't swear that it's I think the first nine or 11 homes are in gifts 56 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:37,360 with 57 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:46,600 yes so is we main for snow clearing whatever 58 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:51,000 else that's my belief as well I I wouldn't swear to it I'd want to 59 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:55,039 verify somebody Aspen would not Aspen would be our full 60 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,000 responsibility somebody brought up legality and I know that you had a 61 00:32:56,519 --> 00:33:00,600 conversation with our attorney today I don't know if that's something you're 62 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:06,120 able to share or not 63 00:33:02,919 --> 00:33:09,559 uh I certainly I can if you want me to well just the options that we had 64 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:14,120 available somebody asked if it was legal for us to close it and I just the answer 65 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:18,200 is yes and the answer is yes okay I we don't have to go into specifics I just 66 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:22,600 wanted to know that um as I said State Statute authorizes towns 67 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:30,360 to gives towns the authority to regulate flow traffic on town 68 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:33,799 roads and in this case the council's exercised that Authority by issuing a 69 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:43,080 temporary closure order um it it could be and there there 70 00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:47,519 options of uh opening it with other regulations um in terms of through 71 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:54,039 traffic or no through traffic things like that um temporary closure seems to 72 00:33:50,840 --> 00:34:01,000 be the the the cleanest way it it'll stay right where it is 73 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:06,480 but because it's owned and maintained by town of Elon the statute's clear that 74 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,960 you have the authority to make the decision to close it permanently that's 75 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,560 how I read the statute not an attorney but that's how I 76 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:21,879 read the statute closing it permanently is a 77 00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:26,399 different step that abandons the right of 78 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,919 weight and the property then reverts to the ownership on side of the 79 00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:44,639 RightWay thank you I'm having no other signatures on the list to 80 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:48,679 speak somebody all right we will close public comment 81 00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:52,720 section moving on to Old business revision to chapter six animal 82 00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:58,879 orance 83 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:15,440 we are um back on the agenda tonight to hopefully close out some old business uh 84 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:21,520 pertaining to the revision of our chapter six animal ordinance um you all 85 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:26,240 have the paperwork in front of you but as part of the history the town had an 86 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:32,040 ongoing issue uh with an inocence and dangerous dog in the in por Creek 87 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:36,960 neighborhood starting around October 2022 the dog bit two different people 88 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:42,160 within a four month time frame made residents in the subdivision feeling um 89 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,680 very unsafe in their own uh Community the owners were hostile and 90 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:50,680 uncooperative with law enforcement's efforts to mitigate the situation 91 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:56,119 quarantine the dog Etc um we we were also not successful 92 00:35:53,200 --> 00:36:00,480 because of their U uncooperative manner to seize them the dog for the quarantine 93 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,920 or to make appropriate charges um the state statute as we were 94 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:09,560 delving into this because again we don't have uh dedicated animal control so was 95 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:13,920 a learning experience for us we realized that there were very specific details 96 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:17,560 that the statute laid out before us after talking to our district attorney 97 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:23,800 uh or assistant district attorney on the matter uh like with everything the state 98 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:28,640 can be BR and ordinances can make better restrictions and as we kind of our way 99 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:32,119 through or Traverse this situation we realized that there are some issues with 100 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,560 our ordinances that we would like to clean up um the incidents obviously 101 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:42,599 proped us to to look at revising our current animal ordinance to enhance the 102 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:49,520 Safety and Security of our surrounding um communities specifically when dealing 103 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:55,480 with vicious or dangerous dogs while the proposed changes that I that I have in 104 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:59,880 this chapter six may not have impacted all of the nuances as we we faced with 105 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:03,160 this particular incident I think it certainly would have provided our our 106 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:09,440 officers the ability to be a little bit more responsive and proactive should 107 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:14,440 similar circumstances arise the proposed changes today and I can go through them 108 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:17,960 if you want but it's a little tedious uh you guys let me know what you would like 109 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:21,599 to hear but the changes proposed today include new language that gives officers 110 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:25,680 the authority to be more proactive in impounding any dogs running at large 111 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,839 without first issuing a warning that was the biggest issue that we that we face 112 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,880 with that particular situation uh the new language also allows officers to 113 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:39,640 impound a dog if the dog is in question of being deemed dangerous allowing us to 114 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:44,800 then pursue our investigation to figure out if this dog is truly a nuisance or a 115 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:49,119 danger to the community um it also makes it specifically 116 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,359 unlawful printing person to refuse or fail to surrender an animal for 117 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:59,480 quarantine the revised ordinance provides um provided today Incorporation 118 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:04,359 more detail more robust detail in what is considered a nuisance animal our 119 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,920 previous uh definition did not really go into a lot of detail and some other 120 00:38:06,319 --> 00:38:12,440 minor changes to clean up Senate structure and provide some uh free 121 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,920 freestanding penalty sections the town attorney our our 122 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:22,760 specific Town attorney did was consulted with these changes he was um he had no 123 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,800 issue with the language being presented he had which we'll talk about later he 124 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:33,240 had some other suggestions but what I'm asking you today is to approve the 125 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:38,839 language that um that I've provided to you for chapter six um obviously you can 126 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:43,119 look it over give me some rebuttal some revisions that you would like to see and 127 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:47,000 I can come back with another draft um or vote to maintain the ordinance as we 128 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,400 have it today I can answer any questions I have 129 00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:55,960 a a couple question um so looking through it I remember the when it first 130 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:03,359 got brought to us there is something about um officers having the power to 131 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:10,400 put down an animal and I didn't see any of that in here so that was so when we 132 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:14,359 when we looked at this we looked at what we don't need to reinvent the will what 133 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:19,160 other uh municipalities doing that was something that came that we wanted to 134 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:24,119 present to you all to see how much Authority do you want us to have I rich 135 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,319 and I talked together and we're both animal lovers so uh we weren't sold on 136 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,720 that idea but I didn't want you to to think we didn't look under every Rock 137 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:38,079 and present every option that Elon could take on it was more of a a an extended 138 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:42,800 or for exent circumstances for emergency situations and it's one that was adopted 139 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:46,599 by Alamance County um the Alamance County so we were looking at what they 140 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,599 had and it and they do have something in there a provision for emergency 141 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:55,720 situations I did not um the feedback I got that it was not well received so I 142 00:39:52,280 --> 00:40:01,640 did not put that back in here um so then let me ask then if would the town be 143 00:39:58,839 --> 00:40:08,800 protected let's say get a call and there there's a dog physically in the act 144 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:13,640 of and you would be able to put it down um and be protected even though it's not 145 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:17,720 correct that that is that dog is it falls within the guidelines of not only 146 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:22,560 the statute but our current ordinance now that it is 147 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:26,560 actively in in it's actively presenting Behavior that's dangerous it's it's it's 148 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:32,000 no different than the authority that they invested us uh should we have to 149 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:37,200 have to use deadly force to protect you or a third party or ourselves um this 150 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:42,680 was in one of those cases where the dog is bending 151 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:47,720 dangerous it's loose and it's not actively uh attacking anybody but we 152 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:52,240 need to maintain that it does it maybe it's headed toward Elon Elementary 153 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:57,520 School uh and we're trying we can't necessarily catch it and do other things 154 00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:04,240 um but no we we would still have that ability to act if it's in the process of 155 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:09,640 attacking or engaging to attack that you know we don't have to be reactive in 156 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:14,359 those situations have a couple more um so it also said you know if you have to 157 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,920 quarantine a dog or an animal during an investigation that the owner then would 158 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:22,160 be responsible for paying any of the quarantine 159 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:26,960 fees how does that work in the case of just a disgruntled neighbor constantly 160 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:32,319 calling on somebody's dog and then you take the dog quarantine it 161 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,920 for investigation and you that the investigation that that's just a 162 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:40,560 disgruntled neighbor calling on another one is that person still then 163 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:44,760 responsible for quarantine people I know that's a hypothetical yeah quarantine 164 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,319 only applies to a situation where a dog has bitten someone and has to be 165 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:53,440 quarantined for fees a nuisance dog they're they're barking they're running 166 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:57,400 at large um there has to be a a there would be an investigation unless there 167 00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:02,000 was something that says like in this this particular case we had multi 168 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:08,839 complaints that the dog had charged folks that had chased people down the 169 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:13,560 street um rather than having to wait for that dog to actually act on those 170 00:42:11,319 --> 00:42:19,400 instincts this would allow us to then seize the dog conduct the investigation 171 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:24,200 but because the dog is running at large the owner would still be liable for that 172 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:28,599 and and the county also supports that it's in their um their ordinance as well 173 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:35,119 that BR me to my last question so in here I 174 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:40,079 saw I've understood that uh we pay the county for animal control um but then I 175 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,079 also saw in here that we have a partnership with the Burlington Animal 176 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:50,559 Shelter we pay Burlington we pay Burlington we don't actually and those 177 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:54,480 fees are to support the shelter it's not actually for animal control or any 178 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:59,839 services that they provide it's to have a place to take 179 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:04,720 Strays um and different things for them to 180 00:43:00,839 --> 00:43:10,520 hold and that's the $75,000 a year we pay and it's to 181 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:16,480 Burlington and okay thought that was the county so when we say we the count is 182 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:21,000 gonna help us get a nuisance dog and take it to 183 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:25,079 Burlington we actually do all the work so the 184 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,839 county Alamance County has an overarching ordinance that pertains to 185 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:34,119 all unincorporated uh parts of of Alamance 186 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,400 County um and because we work in Partnership sometimes with the county 187 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:41,960 they did come out on this particular incident to help us round up as a mutual 188 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:49,040 Aid they actually have no real responsibility to the animals 189 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,520 inside of Elon the town of Elon um so I think it's just a blanket term we use 190 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,520 you know the County's going to help us or we're we're referencing um county 191 00:43:55,559 --> 00:44:02,520 code because they do have probably the largest animal control um but our our 192 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:07,559 funds go to Burlington Animal Shelter who also works with Alamance County um 193 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:12,079 all the other municipalities are in Partnership and and get a little they 194 00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:17,359 have to pay a piece of the pie to to be able to access the shelter um and that's 195 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:21,800 all a part of that 75 7 something thousand dolls we pay 196 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:28,000 in so does that do you have the equipment to 197 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,000 handle no we have a catch B well 198 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,680 we have some small animal traps like for cats and squirrels and fun stuff like 199 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:38,839 that but no we're not we're ill equipped for the process so that was my question 200 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:44,119 asking our employees Law Enforcement Officers to take on a task that can be 201 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:49,960 dangerous you have dog who's vicious the ability to to surround a 202 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:56,559 dog they have ability to tase a dog uh technically yes it's hard uh for 203 00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:03,599 a fast moving animal that's dodging um me in earlier years I've tried that 204 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:08,359 it it's not successful right and and Animal Control 205 00:45:06,359 --> 00:45:13,400 has different things such as darts uh tranquilizers things like that we just 206 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:17,359 don't have the volume of animal CS um we don't deal with it this was a this was a 207 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:22,079 big deal for us and it was a I can admit this was a very uh steep learning curve 208 00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:26,440 for us we we had to kind of flirt on the Fly about what the state statute 209 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:31,640 requires and didn't require and and to your point do we have the equipment for 210 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:36,960 it no you put a dog in the back of the B which we don't have a truck I guess to 211 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:41,920 do that we dangerous for we have prisoner confines I mean we use the same 212 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:46,079 thing that we would use if we arrested someone else and and a a dangerous dog 213 00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:50,880 is a dangerous dog but it's the most dangerous mammal that we deal with are 214 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:54,760 human so um we we have the means we just don't necessarily have the training or 215 00:45:52,400 --> 00:46:00,119 the tools which is something that that we've started to broaden our Horizons on 216 00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:06,559 a little bit go and this may be a question for you or 217 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:13,640 may be who built the agenda why is the removal of chapter 13 after the LMO um 218 00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:21,160 is this would it not be natural that if we had no objections and we wanted to go 219 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:24,800 ahead and and pass um chapter six that would take care of everything you need 220 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:31,119 to get rid of 13 just an error it was just yeah I mean 221 00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:35,800 could we we can we can change that change that I was just going to say to 222 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:41,319 take care okay I just that was a little confusing to me that's why I just 223 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:49,079 because me this afternoon as well Rand I just went with it I better than I 224 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:56,480 do I was missing um I have one question so in chapter six now this is from the 225 00:46:53,240 --> 00:47:01,000 20 recodification but does it not make sense at this point to change mentions 226 00:46:59,319 --> 00:47:06,359 of the board of alderman to the Town Council within this document and that 227 00:47:04,839 --> 00:47:09,760 would have been on that that would have been my error but yes it does make more 228 00:47:08,359 --> 00:47:15,280 sense to do that while we're making the changes already to go ahead and do that 229 00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:18,079 I was more focused on the the content so I didn't make that change already you 230 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:23,000 can do that I I was as I read through it I 231 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:28,520 thought it was very very well done I thought seem to cover things had talked 232 00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:32,760 about and I was glad to see that even though they still have the right to put 233 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:39,400 an animal down it's not so explicitly a part of it and things like um other 234 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:45,319 question maybe I just missed it but you listed every animal but chickens I guess 235 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:51,680 so have chickens in there yet I didn't even approach 236 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:56,359 that I've heard other uh other municipalities get into a really heated 237 00:47:54,520 --> 00:48:02,440 debate about chck lot of people have chick feral kids it 238 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,200 is it is currently allowed it is allowed okay that's why I 239 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:12,280 was they just can't be like running loose right they can be like in a fenced 240 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,480 yard or something of that nature one 241 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:29,520 more thank with with this updated orance woke us through the 242 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:33,240 scenario that we had in Forest Creek how this 243 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:37,720 would help that situation the steps of being 244 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:43,319 different yes um the way the way our ordinance was written left a few things 245 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:48,480 to be desired in that the state specifically and implicitly defines a 246 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:54,599 potentially dangerous and dangerous call and a potentially dangerous is one that 247 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:59,760 um I as chief of police can deem dangerous but I have to to post it to 248 00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:03,760 the owner first if it's running at large I we have to issue a warning we can't 249 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:10,640 just seize the dog um and and to be potentially dangerous 250 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:13,920 there has to be that act of aggression dangerous dog means that you've been 251 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,720 inflicted with serious injury you've been hospitalized you've been disfigured 252 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:23,599 or something to that effect um the biggest change in here is that animals 253 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:27,920 running at large that could be deemed nuisance uh and and we Define that 254 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:33,079 is that we before had to give that warning and then again if if if there 255 00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:39,040 was if I deemed it dangerous potentially dangerous I had to physically serve 256 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:45,040 notice to that owner telling them that they had to they had to turn in the dog 257 00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:51,599 and a set number of days for alamt County or Burlington Animal Services to 258 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:56,119 deem that dog dangerous then they get a hearing and all that stuff kind of 259 00:49:53,920 --> 00:50:02,040 starts taking place all the legality that's that's put out in State Statute 260 00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:07,200 um this allows us to if we get someone calling saying hey this dog is running 261 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:11,480 at large he's growed at us um he's appro approached us in a in a posture that 262 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,160 seems vicious we can be proactive we don't have to warn anybody if the dog is 263 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:19,040 out there we can take our little catch pole catch him up take him do all the 264 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:26,240 investigation that needs to be done while that dog is safely secured at the 265 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:30,920 as an impound um now when do impound it then I'll give notice saying hey this is 266 00:50:28,839 --> 00:50:34,520 why we took your dog uh the hearing process starts much quicker than having 267 00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:38,720 to go through the steps of giving the warning giving the notice um and in that 268 00:50:37,319 --> 00:50:42,559 time as we're learning this you know that second person did get bit um and 269 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,720 this just gives us the ability to be a little bit more proactive again it 270 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:52,359 doesn't help us with uncooperative pet owners and that's why I said it it may 271 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:56,280 not have had a a huge impact on the end result of this last case because if we 272 00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:01,920 can't get to the dog we can't kick a door in and go take it um if we don't 273 00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:05,799 know what's in there um that said dog I mean they had three different dogs so we 274 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:11,440 have to have more evidence to enter a home um but it gives us a little bit 275 00:51:08,839 --> 00:51:19,119 more advantage to to be proactive on that front end and not maybe I would say 276 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:24,799 U it's a little bit in the instance of where the first bite happened would you 277 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:30,119 be able to then serve the papers right then we could done it before the first 278 00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:34,480 bik okay as because as information came there you know we got calls about this 279 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:38,640 dog running but it wasn't doing anything and we had to give warning first um 280 00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:45,000 they're like well it's approaching aggressively well for our statute okay 281 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,160 we can warn them and then we can site them for having a dog running at large 282 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:51,359 but it it would have given us more ability to be proactive before that 283 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:56,359 first fight even happened thank 284 00:51:53,599 --> 00:52:03,200 you question um as you know there's an individual 285 00:52:00,839 --> 00:52:08,440 close to my house that a lot of my neighbors are calling me about the dog 286 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:13,480 has an invisible fence but the dog is left out all the time and that's not 287 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:20,119 considered tethering but I mean they they leave for days at a time and the 288 00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:25,680 dog is just outside and the the electric fence and it's barking 289 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:30,400 and it wants to go in because it was like freezing rain one time and so how 290 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:35,400 is this addressed at all in the ordinance that would be a nuisance The 291 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:40,680 Barking the howling um even though it's contained in its Shard uh it is 292 00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:45,040 unsupervised there could be a neglect piece to that and I would say it merits 293 00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:49,640 an investigation and a nuisance can be a citable offense that's issued that that 294 00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:52,680 is covered in this ordinance as it stands before you yeah because there was 295 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:58,559 a whole section in there about neglect as well and 296 00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:03,640 yeah yeah it's been M yeah I get lots of calls on those weekends we'd be happy I 297 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:07,480 I haven't received any so I know I just think you're you're far more 298 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:12,079 approachable so if you want to pass that on to us we'll be happy to investigate 299 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,079 that and see what we can do 300 00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:21,440 there so um just knowing that there's at least one change that needs to be made 301 00:53:19,319 --> 00:53:27,240 are you proposing that you bring us back I will do the new language and 302 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:32,079 bring that back at another session and with that should we then also postpone 303 00:53:29,799 --> 00:53:36,760 removing chapter 13 since that would remove all of our animal ordinance 304 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:41,319 without a new chapter six in place well this will still be in place 305 00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:44,799 right the nuisance is still in we can we can make it clean and do it all at one 306 00:53:42,839 --> 00:53:50,359 time if that makes more sense I'm fine with that just not be there that would 307 00:53:48,359 --> 00:53:57,920 be a better idea to make the change all at one okay do we need to vote on that 308 00:53:55,599 --> 00:54:02,720 to delay the vote on both items 309 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:06,720 um yeah I mean you can you can forward this to the December 12th 310 00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:12,480 meeting postpone action till December 12th do have a motion to postpone action 311 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:20,040 on letter a and letter C under old business until December 12th I'll make 312 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:26,160 that motion postp de have a second second all in favor say I I any oppos 313 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:31,960 thank you thank you how many chickens can we 314 00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:31,960 have depend 315 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:43,119 sh build the subdivision behind us our big ticket item we have our Land 316 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:43,119 Management ordinance and 317 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,880 Zoning 318 00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:01,839 crazy so good evening Madame mayor council 319 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:07,760 members I do not have a presentation for you tonight um I really don't have 320 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:13,400 anything at your desk is two possible motions I have made all of the requested 321 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:17,200 changes to the LMO that was included in your packet um and updated the 322 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:22,200 spreadsheet showing where all the changes were made I would ask because 323 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,680 one is a text Amendment and one is a rezoning that they be voted on 324 00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:29,200 separately um and if you have any questions of me 325 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:33,760 at this time I would be happy to answer them I would like to take just a moment 326 00:55:31,319 --> 00:55:38,720 to um thank everyone that has been a part of this process it's been a four or 327 00:55:36,799 --> 00:55:45,079 five year process I know it long predated me um but to Pam and Kirk and 328 00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:51,839 Paul our Consultants who got us here um the committee members all the the hours 329 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:55,680 spent reviewing this um everyone involved in that process to the staff 330 00:55:53,799 --> 00:56:00,000 folks who reread it um and lastly I would just like to thank 331 00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:04,520 my planner Jenna who's been absolutely godson and helping me update all of 332 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:08,760 these chapters and all of this weird formatting in here that I look forward 333 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:13,359 to um this is Jenna's last week with the town she will be leaving us um and I 334 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:17,760 wish her well but she has been super helpful in this LMO and hopefully 335 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:23,039 everything you had before you looks correct and all of the changes were made 336 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:29,799 if not again I'd be happy to answer any questions any questions comments for 337 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,920 Lori I I want to reiterate what you just said there a lot of sweat and tears and 338 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:38,000 a lot of hours put into this and some of those folks who participated are here 339 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:42,119 tonight and I appreciate their faithfulness to stick with it this 340 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:48,319 project got off a great start and it got kind of sidetracked but you know to the 341 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:53,400 credit of Pam and Kurt and assistance from them we were able to get this 342 00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:57,359 back I want to thank everyone's participation in this and um I think 343 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,720 we're going to find this is going to help us to move forward um we're going 344 00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:07,760 to have better development better smart growth that's one of the things we've 345 00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:10,960 talked about as a as a need so to 346 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:19,640 you I just want to reiterate that but uh the other part of it for me is is that 347 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,880 you know I think you've made it very clear 348 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:30,000 that some times these documents are never completely perfect and if there is 349 00:57:27,319 --> 00:57:34,960 a chance we don't just throw everything out waiting to make it perfect go ahead 350 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:40,839 and pass it because it's definitely a large improvement over what we have now 351 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:44,039 and uh with that said if there is if we start as we live into it we start to see 352 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:48,119 there's some issues we can make those changes absolutely I've even already got 353 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:53,359 the list started and it hasn't been adopted very minor very very minor but 354 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:58,240 I'm already seeing small very small changes but yes I will bring you a 355 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,359 grouping at one time when we get to that point I think the illustrations were 356 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:09,599 really helpful um yes and thank youit 357 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:16,359 for kind of what some of it looks like not to just like think about it and try 358 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,359 to conceptualize it but to see in the 359 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:22,760 illustrations it absolutely was and I failed to thank them Benchmark did the 360 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:26,000 downtown master plan and we contacted them with do the illustrations in here 361 00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:30,559 and Absol abolutely I think it answers a lot of questions having the visual 362 00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:34,760 graphics for you to see i' like to thank everybody for all 363 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:38,440 their work on this I wasn't a part of that part of it but I heard the back end 364 00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:44,720 and just hearing the back end that's a lot of work 365 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:50,240 so it seems to be very detailed and again as Randy said we can always if 366 00:58:47,559 --> 00:58:56,720 there's a major change but I think pretty much covered it so great 367 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720 job 368 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:05,520 May I'm ready to make a motion sure what what would you like to make in that 369 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:10,319 motion I would like to move that the uh that the proposal the proposed text 370 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:16,760 Amendment includes a new Land Management ordinance that is consistent with the 371 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:19,960 2040 Envision Elon comprehensive plan and the future planning goals and 372 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:24,160 objectives of the town of Elon furthermore the action is reasonable and 373 00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:29,960 in the public interest because it's support several goals outlined in the 374 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:35,440 2040 Envision Elon comprehensive plan including having a zoning ordinance that 375 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:39,920 aligns with the comprehensive law thank you I have a motion to approve the text 376 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:46,599 Amendment do I have a second second it second all in favor I 377 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:53,240 any opposed carries um do we have a motion 378 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,240 regarding the 379 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,640 rezoning 380 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:02,440 no one else wants to read I'll I'll do it 381 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:07,599 again you looking to me hope that someone else would do it 382 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:12,680 okay well yes I have another motion the proposed resoning is 383 01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:17,039 compatible with the 2040 Envision Elon comprehensive plan and has an acceptable 384 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:21,520 level of impact on both the immediate area and the community as a whole 385 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:26,880 furthermore the action is reasonable and in the public interest because the uses 386 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:31,760 allowed in the proposed zoning districts similar to what is currently allowed 387 01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:37,240 under the existing Land Development ordinance you I have a motion for the 388 01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:42,559 resoning request do I have a second I'll second that mayor all in favor say I I 389 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:47,559 any opposed 390 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:51,760 carries new LMO thank you that's exciting we will 391 01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:57,039 have it on the website as soon as when does that go into effect um it goes into 392 01:00:53,799 --> 01:01:00,000 effect so we will have it on the website thank you all for your hard 393 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,520 work about this next 394 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:34,160 item what we thought we were getting is not what we actually 395 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,160 got right in 396 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:42,359 the 397 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:50,920 yeah know to spread out got just an 398 01:01:52,240 --> 01:02:02,119 ordin traffic oh really yeah it's all about parking and 399 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:07,880 traffic and I said and I'm like this is not the wrong one got attached I'm sorry 400 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:13,440 that was my error there is an ordinance that pertains to the construction I 401 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:18,640 attach the wrong one around the FL so do that mean we should just table 402 01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:23,880 it until we get the right one that's totally up to you if you want 403 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:27,440 to see the correct one in front of you uh 404 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:33,720 you all have already heard the argument on or the discussion on the um rules of 405 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:38,680 construction and basically the ordinance just put sets it in place and we're able 406 01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:44,240 to upload it to mun code so that's that's what that is this the last step 407 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:49,319 in that process yes it is so I I guess I was confused I was asking earlier when I 408 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:54,920 was up here um before the meeting started um so this was something that 409 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:59,720 was done in 2008 that was approved in August of 410 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:06,160 2018 and then it says that there is a recommendation by the dev committee on o 411 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:11,760 10th um was just showing you the timeline that everything took place yeah 412 01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:18,960 what should have been attached are what we've already exactly discussed did 413 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:23,359 we since it's a change to the ordinance we have to have a public hearing no I 414 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,400 went back and researched there and I went to Rich and Lake know as well that 415 01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:34,480 unless General statutes require you to have a public hearing on a particular 416 01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:39,839 item just making a code change does not require public 417 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:45,520 hearing and the text under Section 1.5 construction is what the de committee 418 01:03:42,039 --> 01:03:51,799 brought to it is masculine form is going to Encompass yeah uh and going back to 419 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:57,079 the minutes and listening to what um mayor sharp stated was you all elected 420 01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:01,359 option number two which includes corporation uh corporations and uh what 421 01:04:00,359 --> 01:04:07,760 was it institutions so that's the only change 422 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:07,760 we making then yeah that that was a 423 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:15,160 change but I'm I'm Happ to be submitted to you for your December 12th meeting 424 01:04:13,319 --> 01:04:22,359 I'll be here as a guest because I've got see Mark with um I think just to make 425 01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:28,520 sure that we know what we're voting on as the final I think we should post 426 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:32,839 12th okay I don't think it's gonna be a problem if we wait 427 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:39,799 no and I don't you I don't think it's gonna be controversial or anything 428 01:04:37,319 --> 01:04:46,839 either I think it's just I think we need to agenda have the document agenda yeah 429 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:50,520 can we the consent agenda agenda we didn't have any consent agenda this time 430 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:56,200 is that correct that is correct I changed that was everybody okay with 431 01:04:53,160 --> 01:05:00,480 it all right we will move that to the December 12th 432 01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:05,079 agenda moving on to new business Downtown Plaza rental procedures and fee 433 01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,720 schedule hate they're not interested in sticking 434 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,680 around 435 01:05:20,839 --> 01:05:28,920 everybody so I am here tonight to talk about our Downtown Plaza 436 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:33,400 rental component for our public use uh we rich and I discussed that we probably 437 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:37,960 would need some sort of policy because we we might have some interest and we 438 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:41,079 already have our first request so I just wanted to share that happens to be a 439 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:46,200 downtown business so I want to make sure that they are they do have an 440 01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:49,799 opportunity to utilize the plaza um it's actually Pandora and they're doing their 441 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:49,799 an 442 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:56,680 anniversary I thought or 12 so that's our first re Quest I'm not saying we're 443 01:05:54,799 --> 01:06:02,599 not going to get others but that kind of prompted us to kind of speed this along 444 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:08,799 a little bit so um you have attached in your packet um a rental a proposed 445 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:13,880 rental policy agreement uh for the plaza you know as you know this is kind of a 446 01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:18,880 unique venue it's not um you know a park not a picnic structure it's not it's 447 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:24,119 kind of a different type of thing and so I really felt that this should um you 448 01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:28,799 know mostly be used for an outdoor space but that we would have limited public 449 01:06:26,279 --> 01:06:33,200 use maybe once a month was was my suggestion as a part of this process I 450 01:06:31,279 --> 01:06:37,440 really felt that we should still go through the special event per permit 451 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:41,240 process which you all are familiar with that would lead all the applications you 452 01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:45,760 know to go to all the department heads we would all review it see what it is 453 01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:49,839 what's required of it um if we have any additional staff those types of 454 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:54,240 processes and in addition they would fill out this Plaza application that 455 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:59,079 they wouldn't have a a separate fee structure attached to it um and one of 456 01:06:57,319 --> 01:07:03,279 the components I felt important was that it has to be a public event because I 457 01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:09,079 don't really see a way that you could block that off and and have it a private 458 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:12,760 event in such a public setting so when I say public event that anybody in the 459 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:17,240 public would come to like it's a craft show or it's a a fundraiser of some sort 460 01:07:15,279 --> 01:07:21,920 or in this case Pandora wants to do a celebration B that anybody could come 461 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:29,400 it's not you know just quarantine to to a certain group of people so the plaza 462 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:33,880 uh fee structure is attached to to your packet there is one additional change 463 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:38,599 that Lori asked me to add because she needed an addition on page two at the 464 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:43,599 very very bottom um I put highlighted in red um she wanted to include the cost of 465 01:07:40,599 --> 01:07:48,520 the legal ad would go to the applicant rather than town of Elon paying that I 466 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:54,480 think she well exceeded her her budget this year as ads are quite costly and so 467 01:07:51,440 --> 01:08:01,039 she had that change and then all of my fees for for the plaza are located on 468 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:06,520 page 11 in your packet and if you notice in that component I did put a resident 469 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:09,599 and non-resident uh rate in there um I just I feel strongly we should always 470 01:08:08,119 --> 01:08:14,880 take care of our residents first and give them some sort of a discount for 471 01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:21,719 using facilities within their town and that also would the give our 472 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:25,239 businesses an opportunity to get um their resident rate as a business in 473 01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:28,480 Elon so I'm requesting for you to well for 474 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,960 one thing to open it up for discussion I know um Randy and I did have a 475 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:36,359 discussion earlier today so he has a point to bring up but have you all 476 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:40,839 review the the concept um if you have some questions or you know some have 477 01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:45,159 some conversation on how you feel about what was presented to you and hopefully 478 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:50,080 come up with some sign of uh sort of proposal that's agreeable to everybody 479 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:53,960 to to put this into place for us we got start with something really nitpicky 480 01:08:52,120 --> 01:09:00,759 okay all of the te's were questioned marks oh yep TI anywhere there's a TI 481 01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:05,560 what happened I don't know the document shows it must be something in something 482 01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:10,120 in Translation right no I don't if is it something in when you convert from one 483 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:14,400 version of word from granicus isn't that weird I'm looking at your document it 484 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:22,359 has it in the word after R how weird we okay we just wanted 485 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:27,120 to make sure yeah yeah it was really interesting we were all 486 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:31,080 oh yeah thought maybe a draft it 487 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:37,359 wasn't that's so odd want to give a copy or something 488 01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:41,640 everyone everywhere everywhere sure the council is paying attention to its yeah 489 01:09:39,480 --> 01:09:45,960 good forments that can certainly be fixed Randy you you had some thoughts 490 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:55,760 yes I have a definitely have a concern um uh this is private use of the public 491 01:09:51,480 --> 01:10:01,040 Plaza um as a as we are the as the Green Space and again I'm speaking both as a 492 01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:07,120 council person but also as a property own not an owner but a steward of the 493 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:12,480 property um or the church um we have we have tried to be good partners as best 494 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:16,360 we can and uh and as public Gatherings go we have students that come over and 495 01:10:14,679 --> 01:10:21,040 use the green space we have other people who come over and use it and we've we've 496 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:25,719 tried our best to to to work with that to to try to be hospitable but when it's 497 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:32,640 now come to private usage uh you're actually paying rental 498 01:10:28,679 --> 01:10:36,000 on the Plaza not on the Green Space and so there e there's going to have to be 499 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:41,480 one of two things that are going to have to happen there's G to have to be a 500 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:46,400 secondary process by which people would rent the green space and I'm not crazy 501 01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:51,000 about that because that's not what we're in the business for or making sure that 502 01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:55,360 it's clear to people that the green space is not 503 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:59,719 available um so this is a concern that I have and how would we do that if it's a 504 01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:03,360 public event it's not a they're all private events even though they're open 505 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:08,159 to the public well you know even like when the restaurant would were to do 506 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,840 something like that if they were using our Green Space they should be asking us 507 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:17,400 permission to do that I think if it goes through a Rental process it's almost 508 01:11:14,679 --> 01:11:22,239 easier to control that in that we can add wordage to this it says you your 509 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:26,280 rental is inside the plaza only you can utilize the tables there but nothing 510 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:30,679 actually happens they're not allowed to use the green space for the event and 511 01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:35,159 also limit the number of people um I did put in there that we have exceeding 512 01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:40,080 capacity of 40 to 50 but I didn't put that the maximum capacity of the rental 513 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:44,560 could potentially be 50 or whatever it is we determine it should be and that's 514 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:51,080 where I had a question because how do you regulate it is open to the public 515 01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:55,880 Indo event right you be far more than 50 people you can't regulate it in the 516 01:11:52,679 --> 01:12:02,239 green space is part of our social distance I'm I'm indifferent in general 517 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:08,360 with um renting it out I saying the initial thought of it um and having 518 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:12,480 people come but I would like them to talk to the town because I mean I can 519 01:12:09,719 --> 01:12:15,320 see Pandora's events and we're we're I'm singling out that because that's the 520 01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:20,080 only one that's coming right like hey I want to do this they SPO they pull a 521 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:25,040 special use permit right and have a special event and that's like this 522 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,280 partner with the town and then the Green Space could be used like the music to D 523 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:35,120 to because it's just a it's not a noice paying a rental fee it's the public 524 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:39,600 Plaza to I mean the other option is to just you do the special event perent 525 01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:43,840 process like we do now and we pick and choose them individually it's it won't 526 01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:47,719 be you won't be making any money and I don't think that that's not really the 527 01:12:45,639 --> 01:12:52,280 purpose of this per se although I did put a fee structure that's more than $50 528 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:56,280 per event but if you stay with just a special event permit 529 01:12:53,960 --> 01:13:01,520 it doesn't preclude say Pandora from doing 530 01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:07,000 that I don't know that's just Rich's brain is turn churning over there yeah I 531 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:11,120 mean and again it's just we we've allowed for you know kind of a 532 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:15,679 partnership it's different when trying to be open to the community and and 533 01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:19,040 again that's that's okay when people are actually paying for an event they may 534 01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:23,600 feel like they have a right to do something that's different than if 535 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:27,239 they're here as part of a partnership or something like that well the other thing 536 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:31,600 is we are not going to be Staffing it you know like you do some 537 01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:35,360 facilities bment Park they have part-time staff that works those and 538 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:41,120 enforces that I don't have the ability to do that with with the Staffing that I 539 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:47,000 have so so I'm trying to think of what what could happen obviously if 30 people 540 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:54,360 say we want go use the plaza today it's our group we go there and use 541 01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:58,760 it they have a right to do that um they don't have a 542 01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:01,840 permit what they expect to you know they can stay there two hours they can stay 543 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:08,719 there seven hours whose responsibility would be you 544 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:14,920 said I walk with the B Park I see people using Pavilion using tables I don't know 545 01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:19,320 if they pay for for a birthday party for their kids probably they did who's and 546 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:25,080 obviously there's people out there during the week maybe weekends they're 547 01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:29,159 out there just to make sure doors locked but I don't know that you want to try to 548 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:34,600 how do you police that how do you keep people from using a public space just 549 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:39,280 for that and I I understand why you're you're doing this I think we've got to 550 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:44,199 be mindful how do you allow people do the space but like you said the church 551 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:48,000 has been most generous but during the week people go out there in the Green 552 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:53,360 Space they sit out there and right e Dy whatever on their 553 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:57,760 own are you against some a group deciding hey we want to go down there 554 01:14:55,120 --> 01:15:02,639 taking their chances oh the tables were available we want to gather are you you 555 01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:06,960 know if are you opposed to that idea I mean I think Gathering is different than 556 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:12,600 a special use permit it is things I mean it's one thing if like we a busker goes 557 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:16,760 downtown or if a b tries to set up right I mean we're gonna get calls and that's 558 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:22,920 something we can talk about well right now we we have we will get approached 559 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:26,639 and people will use our our our yard oh yeah 560 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:30,639 CNR he does it a lot you know when when there's a student event they will rent 561 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:35,840 they'll put a little tent up and they'll sell some of their stuff there um there 562 01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:41,719 was a time when we were doing some bookstore stuff and boy poor Earl Daniel 563 01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:46,880 about had a stroke um because he didn't want it to compete with the bookstore 564 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:51,320 the official bookstore so he said no problem we just we won't regret to that 565 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:55,239 so I mean so it's not like we don't and I'm not not ruling out the idea that we 566 01:15:53,280 --> 01:16:00,520 but if that way we maybe would make some money to uh mitigate you know having to 567 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:04,000 keep grass planted and stuff like that but uh that's what I was looking at I 568 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:08,719 was like it just it just didn't sound right it didn't sound that a group could 569 01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:12,360 have a private use even though it's in a public setting but a private use and 570 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:16,880 then maybe have expectations that's what I was really looking it's a good point 571 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:21,239 it's a it's a unique situation yeah and I'm going to get requests I don't know 572 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:27,480 how you know how we which direction we go and maybe the first question 573 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:32,880 is do we want to allow private groups to take over the 574 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:36,960 plaza for for a private event even if it's open to the 575 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:42,480 public or answer maybe that leave that as the 576 01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:48,120 first question one I had was we have specific times for the social 577 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:52,440 district and why would we not have specific time for example if somebody 578 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:56,000 wanted to rent it at Sunday morning at 10 o'clock 579 01:16:54,080 --> 01:17:01,880 and they're competing with his congregation who needs to park there and 580 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:09,920 access there me that's not being very considerate to them so that's I guess 581 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:16,280 that's my concern is what would be we also we could leave it for town events 582 01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:20,000 and very special situations I mean what if the university wanted to do something 583 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:24,280 in partnership with us the church we already partner and do events and if 584 01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:28,400 that's the way exles that you put in there that could be rented like a chili 585 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:35,679 cook off why wouldn't a town want to be involved in a chil committee right um 586 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:40,239 one of our businesses like Pandora like right my big thing is to not prude our 587 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:44,080 downtown businesses for being able to utilize it for special occasions and 588 01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,120 well they're right next to it they'll probably utilizing it quite a bit I 589 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,600 would imagine they're gonna get a lot of their customers going to be out there 590 01:17:48,639 --> 01:17:56,080 well and then part of the especially Pandoras more more than any without 591 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:59,920 without having a public restroom if they want to do 592 01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:04,480 something for their 12th you know the least we I feel like we can do as a town 593 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:08,320 is if we have some staff IT staff that a bit because we're going to have all the 594 01:18:06,679 --> 01:18:13,639 people going to their bathroom that is an issue there are no 595 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:19,000 public bathrooms so you know to me it is first and foremost a public gathering 596 01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:22,560 and dining space but now that it's so beautiful and I think it has turned out 597 01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:26,719 really well we're going to get these requests and I mean if it's we don't 598 01:18:24,679 --> 01:18:31,840 rent it for public use it's only for special events then you know we go that 599 01:18:29,159 --> 01:18:35,760 route but I mean I I don't have buying one way or the other I don't want to see 600 01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:39,000 it to where it's rented every single weekend and every time somebody wants 601 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:41,880 just to come hang out and with the computer up and get food different 602 01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,840 restaurants oh we can't sit there we can't sit there we can't sit there I 603 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:49,760 don't want to see that I knew personally if I've been to a a public park come 604 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:54,800 there not knowing that the space has been rented it's a big disappointment 605 01:18:52,000 --> 01:19:00,520 you think this is public space someone had the ability to take that away from 606 01:18:56,639 --> 01:19:06,040 me as a taxpayer to go use it that's a concern I guess I have I just think it's 607 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:11,360 an opportunity that you know this is a member of the downtown organization is 608 01:19:08,679 --> 01:19:16,440 there not a way to just partner as the downtown organization and the town of 609 01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:22,080 Elon to celebrate this occasion and not have a formal 610 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:25,800 rental policy and I'm sure they're going to foot the bill yes they've already 611 01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:30,120 filled out a special event uh application which is a $50 application 612 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,280 they've already done that and turn I don't know if we've got insurance yet 613 01:19:31,719 --> 01:19:37,320 she's just kind of waiting to see what I said well we we're trying to figure out 614 01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:41,320 what to do with this Plaza but I'm fine with that too and that's what I'm gonna 615 01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:47,040 get back to is what is her expectation of having that special event that she 616 01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:51,080 has exclusive use of the of the plaza and well then why does she need it to 617 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,679 begin with she wants the van to be in the plaza itself not up on her her patio 618 01:19:53,679 --> 01:20:00,159 actually in the plaza using our power so she would use the special event for that 619 01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:04,600 right it would correct well that goes back to the insurance and the green 620 01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:08,920 space so the insurance is this is it just the plaza piece that the insurance 621 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:14,040 is covering because it's under the social District so they don't need to 622 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:18,040 pull a liquor for it and then we we know without a shadow of a doubt people are 623 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:21,480 going to be on the Green Space it just I it's just going to happen and especially 624 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:25,560 if it's public so how does that insurance and I'll say specifically 625 01:20:23,639 --> 01:20:28,280 Pandora doesn't break my heart I mean and I don't think the church would 626 01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:32,199 either because they've been partners with us and other things in the past I 627 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:37,120 mean it's not a problem that it wasn't that particular event it was the idea of 628 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:40,600 having private usage well maybe it's working with our partners and we're okay 629 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:44,360 and and that that I would come to you and say by the way they would like to 630 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:50,000 have this you know it's potential they could flow over onto the grass and we 631 01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:53,400 work as what we are Partners yeah are they responsible for cleanup are they 632 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,120 responsible for making sure there's extra waste basket 633 01:20:55,719 --> 01:21:02,960 that's what we tried to put in here yeah but even in there it didn't really 634 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:06,679 specify enough for the clean up that they're responsible to clean up there's 635 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:10,639 trash cans that are around that they're responsible for clean up does that mean 636 01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:15,760 they have to empty the town's trash cans and take we have trash service five days 637 01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:21,560 a week so he only have events the only day they don't pick up 638 01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,639 a downtown right you want to add something rich 639 01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,360 well a restaurant downtown wants to put a band on the 640 01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:47,080 plot somehow we would need to authorize that whether it's this way um you know 641 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:51,719 if we say well okay if they get a special event 642 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:57,560 permit that's fine you folks aren't involved in any of that that 643 01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:05,800 um is I recognize your need that oh well 644 01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:10,360 that's that's a private public event rather than a public public event they 645 01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:13,600 the right to be sitting on on the lawn at the 646 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:18,880 church maybe we figure out a way to demarcate where the edge of the plaza is 647 01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:24,600 and say you know you can't go beyond there although still part of the social 648 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:28,480 District so could go that I mean that that's that's that's a point of 649 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:33,360 confusion I'm not sure how to address I think I think Monty also named it those 650 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:37,840 that when the church decides is having an event out there and you've and you've 651 01:22:35,639 --> 01:22:41,199 now rented the space and we're having our event you're having your event and 652 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:45,560 we're not coordinating together and we're not coordinating uh I mean that 653 01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:49,600 and and it doesn't preclude you to have to coordinate with us that's the thing 654 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:55,120 so coordination I think is a separate issue that we can certainly address it's 655 01:22:53,719 --> 01:23:00,159 if it's if it's something that we typically do when somebody else is doing 656 01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:05,239 it is that a big problem 657 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:09,520 versus you mentioned a craft fair so a group wants to use the plaza to set up a 658 01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:15,520 craft show and they take up all the dining 659 01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:23,320 space during lunch hour or at dinner time somehow we need to have some way to 660 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:29,159 either authorize it control it that way 661 01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:33,639 or prohibit it so that you know some doesn't just show up 662 01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:38,080 say hey let's take up all these tables and you know sell our 663 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:41,840 candles they won't be moving the tables right who's going to move the tables if 664 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:44,679 things need need to happen like that then well on our special event permit 665 01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,840 which is part would be part of this process if anything like that has to be 666 01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:52,760 done then they have to pay for our staff to do those things okay well that's I'm 667 01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:58,120 GL I'm speaking as a council person I'm overhearing just if I can summarize that 668 01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:03,480 you stuff now what's that that can somebody just go s their candles on the 669 01:24:01,159 --> 01:24:07,560 side of the street they have to give have a so we we could we could stop that 670 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:12,400 if somebody just wanted to go down there and just set up their art to give away 671 01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:17,679 or to look it's not considered a bigger part of the sidewalk then no well you 672 01:24:16,199 --> 01:24:21,800 know or you have a dance troop that goes down there wants to perform I'm just I'm 673 01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:25,480 envisioning what a great place we could set up and we could spend three hours 674 01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:29,320 dancing here let's you know push all the tables out of the way it will happen 675 01:24:27,639 --> 01:24:33,199 just from my own experience in previous jurisdictions we have to have something 676 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:37,960 in place and if if it's not this complicated that's you want to do a 677 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:41,920 public EV an event in the space you have to go through the special event process 678 01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:46,040 and then we decide and some of that might be oh I better call Randy on this 679 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,000 because this is sounding larger than I think we can decide without and that 680 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:54,480 leaves it every department head sees that 681 01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:59,480 pery and inside the permit it says about trash and clean up and removing and all 682 01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:03,040 that that has to be agreed in the special events especially and it would 683 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:06,320 be nice if you could just call me but you're actually calling my trustees 684 01:25:05,159 --> 01:25:11,159 you're saying you know the trustees of the building they'd have to come up with 685 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:15,679 find two months notice right two months notice should be fair fair amount of 686 01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:19,520 time for us coordinate coordinate do for example if Randy's got scheduled 687 01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:25,119 something on a Saturday or wedding he may be opposed allow to be 688 01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:29,440 used during that time period or if we have a CLC event that's 689 01:25:27,480 --> 01:25:34,320 going to fill the parking lot the current special use permit special event 690 01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:39,280 permit special event two months it's two months just or not just specifically for 691 01:25:36,679 --> 01:25:43,440 this for anything and it's $50 plus the cost of town Services exactly to be 692 01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:47,480 honest I think anything in the plaza I would probably just come to you as as an 693 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,920 automatic we're almost going to have to yeah because I'm just thinking now 694 01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:54,159 there's a parking altern there's a parking situation now well I just think 695 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:58,360 it should be be limited I age I don't think it should be a private event space 696 01:25:56,040 --> 01:26:03,840 I think it should be open for people to come and sit and you know if they want 697 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:08,840 to have a little p two person meeting or if like a family of 10 wants to gather 698 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:16,159 and eat pizza or have coffee I think it should be fluid and open and not 699 01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:19,639 like like you would the park facility yeah I agree so in this case with 700 01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:24,960 Pandora they have filled out the special event permit I can then go to Randy and 701 01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:29,040 listen this is what they're proposing get an idea of how many people she's 702 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:34,040 thinking and handle it that way it goes to all the department heads but I just 703 01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:37,920 think it has to be very clear this is not a private event and I I think in 704 01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:42,560 this case you've already discussed that but it's not a private event so if 705 01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:47,639 people were to to whomever right you know somebody can go and get a drink at 706 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:56,000 Oak House Coffee or otherwise and down and sit you know I that's the way that I 707 01:26:51,639 --> 01:26:59,440 see I see as a public space they could so if somebody were to call to inquire 708 01:26:57,719 --> 01:27:03,440 and say I want to hold my kids birthday party can I reserve four tables the 709 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:07,800 answer is definitely I would say there shelters 710 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:11,520 available at the park or they can contact Pandora is about reserving for 711 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:16,080 tables or it's you know come at your own rest you're welcome to to use the 712 01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:22,639 facility abut order your pizzas and venues that at slave 713 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:27,159 Park so somebody wants a t with bathrooms too with bathroom facilities 714 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:32,800 that's a big factor yeah that that would be unless might just wanted to have 715 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:38,360 something not ideal I think we're in consensus that we're trying to 716 01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:43,159 Envision what could happen here and so we might be revisiting this at a couple 717 01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:46,520 other times um the truth is is that you're absolutely right that's a 718 01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:51,199 beautiful setting and I think it's when it's all said and done um you're talking 719 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:54,880 about doing T dancing though on that seal once it's p painted that's what me 720 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:58,320 yeah it's gonna have to be something we're G have to figure out too so doing 721 01:27:57,119 --> 01:28:03,159 the soft shoot Randy the record I've never been a part 722 01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:11,280 of any dance entity that just shows up randomly like that they always have but 723 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:15,400 but but if they wanted to use it that precludes anybody else from using it 724 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:20,000 yeah see that's the problem so you know if you if you don't allow people to move 725 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:26,080 the tables and and you know then then they're going to find some other venue 726 01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:30,400 so so I'm hearing no rentals 727 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:36,960 with we're sticking to the special event process that's what great and kind of 728 01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:41,600 work there and that with we have strong coordination and yes and special events 729 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:47,880 kick in when they're doing music um what are some of the other 730 01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:58,239 things that trigger special events um the the the amplif amplification 731 01:28:52,960 --> 01:29:03,320 okay right Mass Gathering anything that would 732 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:08,280 gather so so obviously if the university wanted to use that property they made 733 01:29:05,639 --> 01:29:12,800 sizable investment in that property um like for a parents weekend or something 734 01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:18,560 like that would we allow special event use for that $400 rental 735 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:23,520 feed figure I mean I feel like the university has plenty of space that they 736 01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:29,199 can host an event yeah but if we want to I mean and then they have um Phoenix 737 01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:34,280 Friday night in Burlington not Elon so would love to see some Elon events in 738 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:39,840 our downtown I think again that goes back to they are partner that's the 739 01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:43,880 partner partner special events what if a class you know you envisioning a class 740 01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:47,600 coming over there and doing something I would I'm just saying they might not ask 741 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:53,920 for a special they might just come over and's Atomic 742 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:53,920 ccope we atomic 743 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:09,280 it's not there it's not it's it's on it's on property but it's on it's on the 744 01:30:06,679 --> 01:30:14,480 RightWay so I I agree with the mayor in the sense that I really think this was 745 01:30:11,119 --> 01:30:19,760 made to be a public area for folks to come and I do appreciate you know all 746 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:23,080 the thought that went into trying to make sure that it was accessible for 747 01:30:21,639 --> 01:30:27,520 these type of events and I certainly want to support our downtown folks but I 748 01:30:25,239 --> 01:30:32,840 think probably the best route to go is what everybody's I wasn't completely 749 01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:36,920 sold on this idea either I just was to present the the option of it because I 750 01:30:35,119 --> 01:30:40,280 kind of had that little feeling too what this is a public space but how do we 751 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:43,800 know these requests are going to come and if they it's not even done yet we 752 01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:47,679 have people asking for it right so we have to have something in place and if 753 01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:53,679 our in places you can follow the special sent process it's a public space for 754 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:58,480 anybody to come you're welcome to sit there but we don't move tables and that 755 01:30:55,800 --> 01:31:05,960 type of thing that's that is a policy when is Pandora want to do theirs 756 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:11,639 January I don't Rec the date January yes yeah it's gonna be cold you I could see 757 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:16,440 something how we do those music down to where they just hey we would like to 758 01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:20,800 advertise our 12th anniversary they pay for the band that you right the town 759 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:27,520 doesn't put the the bill on the band and just moves in the same direction as it 760 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:33,560 always right had been um yeah I'm with it I I think this is the public space 761 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:38,920 this isn't a pavilion this isn't a even the like downtown Burlington rents out 762 01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:43,600 the depot yeah but it's private they can tell people not to come in off the 763 01:31:41,719 --> 01:31:49,159 nature of where it is and how could we use that space during the farmers market 764 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:56,080 yes ours right so we could it wouldn't be a conflict it's event we it's 765 01:31:51,920 --> 01:32:01,159 adjacent the Town Farmers Market yeah so we we could obviously use that space 766 01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:08,440 would be consistently using it for the same purpose and it's a public yes 767 01:32:05,119 --> 01:32:13,719 public space we it's a a vendor Cass set okay even the quilt show I know 768 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:19,920 we've talked about art committee they wanted to put up quilts on this new yeah 769 01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:26,080 Part Town just put up town partner right they don't need to pay 50 I mean I don't 770 01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:29,920 know I understand it hasn't been put up yet we need to figure out what's 771 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:33,840 happening just see how try to live into and and my caveat is is if if we start 772 01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:38,639 to see at the very beginning there's problems arising and that you you have 773 01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:42,800 kind of like the chief had you know there's problems getting the thing you 774 01:32:40,679 --> 01:32:46,480 done you want to get done please come to us and let's talk about yeah let's let's 775 01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:51,000 deal with it well we are going to have the power locked because if that were 776 01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:55,679 open you might drive down and see some random B set up and people having a 777 01:32:53,520 --> 01:33:00,440 great old time because during graduation there's all kinds of events going on 778 01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:04,800 that there weren't permits for and oh my gosh there's a t up and you know people 779 01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:08,280 they don't realize or they just do their thing well there's a lot of people that 780 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:12,440 are standing on the sidewalk yelling or doing things without amplification can 781 01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:16,840 they do that on the on the Plaza that was my question that's consider that is 782 01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:21,320 still public property is it considered a big giant wide part of the sidewalk then 783 01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:25,040 no but it's public property still yes so and 784 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:29,840 could do whatever they want on I think that's really important too I 785 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:34,480 I would I'll verify that with our attorney okay I that would I think that 786 01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:40,480 would be helpful we have I recall we were looking you know 787 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:46,239 set up the Christmas tree and the manora it was all right we have you by doing 788 01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:51,600 that we designate space as a place for public speech so if 789 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:56,320 somebody were standing on the sidewalk we have no we don't have any rules 790 01:33:53,360 --> 01:34:02,440 against it right if they're on the Plaza I'll verify but I I I I'm doubtful 791 01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:06,600 that we'd have a lot of Lee that throw somebody out because they're saying 792 01:34:03,639 --> 01:34:12,280 something that you know we don't like and for the record I would love to 793 01:34:09,119 --> 01:34:15,159 do a big block party with the university and the town of Elon downtown I think 794 01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:19,760 that would be fabulous that's on 795 01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:24,119 record all right so it sounds like just to redirect because I think we could 796 01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:28,040 what if this all night long well and that's what we were doing is um we're 797 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:33,920 going to go with the special event permit for now let's test it out let's 798 01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:38,320 see how it goes however there is another change in the speed schedule that I 799 01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:44,679 believe we want to get through tonight and that is on page two with the street 800 01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:51,239 rway abandonment um to add the cost of legal advertisement to the fee schedule 801 01:34:48,199 --> 01:35:01,480 so um I would like to entertain a motion that we make um that change only to 802 01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:08,800 our um Town fee schedule for 2023 24 at this time um and without the other items 803 01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:13,880 that were in addition that we're adding on the Downtown Plaza fees so the only 804 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:20,000 change that we would be making to that fee schedule is at the bottom of page 805 01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:25,840 two your street rideway abandonment and cost of legal advertisement do I have a 806 01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:31,760 motion what is that fee it's a $700 fee and the cost of 807 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:36,440 legal advertisement because what does it cost legal advertisement to give you an 808 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:40,320 example I had to run the resolution I actually had to print the resolution 809 01:35:38,119 --> 01:35:47,840 that was signed by the mayor for four consecutive weeks and that cost me $600 810 01:35:44,679 --> 01:35:53,639 $1,600 my budget for the year was 1,500 talk about the LMO advertisement I 811 01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:58,199 had to get $ back so what I'm proposing is they still pay the $700 for the staff 812 01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:02,080 review and the TRC review but the applicant has to pick up the cost of 813 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:06,199 whatever the legal ad is they're getting property out of it I 814 01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:11,560 mean obviously we have to spend time doing that I mean if it's $100 we charge 815 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:16,960 $120 I don't know what it costs to do that but I mean if we're just passing on 816 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:22,679 the cost we're curing the effort to do that the the application fee of 700 817 01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:27,280 cover staff time so that would be cover preparing the resolution and everything 818 01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:32,960 like that send into the newspaper being for that for the advertising that uh was 819 01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:39,560 the K to advertis in one publication four consecutive weeks four 820 01:36:36,199 --> 01:36:39,560 weeks prior to the public 821 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:50,280 hearing make that motion there I'll make that motion I have a 822 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:57,000 motion do I have a second I'll second that mayor all in 823 01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:57,000 favor say I I any 824 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:09,600 opposed all right moving on to consideration And discussing of naming 825 01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:09,600 policy 826 01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:22,199 facilities um we have uh as a community we have we 827 01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:30,239 have named things in the past uh without any guidelines or parameters or 828 01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:34,440 suggestions as to why or any protocols kind of been done at the 829 01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:42,199 mayor's discretion whatever whatever drove that 830 01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:48,560 decision talking with mayor sharp we thought that it was important that if 831 01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:54,880 we're going to do that uh that in the future that there be some reasonable 832 01:37:51,239 --> 01:38:01,239 policy in place would would provide guidance so you've got the draft in 833 01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:06,360 front of you uh that was cobbled together from three or four different 834 01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:11,480 communities uh and their language and as you can see we you know 835 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:18,280 just Define what the purpose is lay the framework for how we're going to do this 836 01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:23,119 um and what the goals are and uh you know what it is that we're going to use 837 01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,119 to make those decisions 838 01:38:24,239 --> 01:38:32,639 naming it you know Community Plaza Centennial 839 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:38,440 Hall Bob Smith Plaza Bob Smith Hall making those decisions as to what what 840 01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:43,000 what's appropriate what what triggers those criteria for uh someone to be 841 01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:47,239 eligible to have something named in their 842 01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:51,159 honor what types of things will we will be 843 01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:56,800 naming and perhaps even as important what types of things will not 844 01:38:53,040 --> 01:39:02,880 name U we won't have under this we wouldn't have Bob Smith Station 845 01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:10,800 8 remain station eight there may be Bob Smith Fitness room within station eight 846 01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:14,320 um so the so features of the town that would be 847 01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:20,560 eligible par playgrounds uh ancillary buildings uh 848 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:25,320 other facilities like that would not include things such as the town hall 849 01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:32,159 would not include departmental buildings um those would remain you know 850 01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,159 the name of the department if you 851 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:41,960 will question really quick in place that named by 852 01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:46,599 the I don't believe so neighbor okay so I just want to make 853 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:50,400 sure it's kind of like fireplace like hempton or what those and we're not 854 01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:53,679 proposing to change anything that's already been done and well I was looking 855 01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:57,199 that's I was looking carefully at that because there was some stuff in here 856 01:39:55,480 --> 01:40:00,800 about renaming and but it didn't look like you made it that easy so that was 857 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:05,119 good I want to make sure that there would be no and we did confirm that 858 01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:09,000 everything that is currently named for a person already does meet this criteria 859 01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:16,679 as well so that was another reason why we went 860 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:16,679 with the recommendations that we did is 861 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:26,520 that Mark would you like to amend it to go down to 16 862 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:31,800 not gonna do that well you know so just a little bit additional background is 863 01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:37,560 that it is it has really always just been the the mayor wanted to name 864 01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:40,840 something essentially and I said to Rich I 865 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:45,800 said I've on I've been on this Council for six years in my opinion there 866 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:51,040 shouldn't be anything named after me you know like it six years is nothing you 867 01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:55,000 know and but if we went by the the current policy hey I'm the mayor we're 868 01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:59,440 going to name it after me right like that's not I don't think that that 869 01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:04,880 should be the case I think that there should be a policy in place 870 01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:09,119 and probably what a year ago the fire department reached out to me well they 871 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:15,159 reached out to you and then it came to me and they're like um hey we want to 872 01:41:11,639 --> 01:41:19,719 name this room after this person and I'm like well that needs to go to council 873 01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:25,639 well they they had already done it and so it kind of brought this all up like 874 01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:30,440 what's the policy and I think that there just needed to be something in place 875 01:41:27,480 --> 01:41:36,080 that made sense based off of what we already have in place you're right we 876 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:40,560 wouldn't be looking to rename things unless there was 877 01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:47,400 some so somebody want to donate a million dollars to buy a new lad 878 01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:51,360 truck would we allow them your rights under this we wouldn't because the lad 879 01:41:49,119 --> 01:41:53,880 truck not considered I know that's what I'm saying but it's 880 01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:58,760 an asset it's a 20y year asset or 881 01:41:56,679 --> 01:42:03,840 longer no because be lad a it well it still has 882 01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:07,239 been a significant financial contributor to the 883 01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:14,199 town then we could name something after him other than the ladder truck yes well 884 01:42:09,719 --> 01:42:21,639 I will say when ala retired his truck it's still engine engine 885 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:27,119 8 dedicated a window to him if you will or I mean the decal was put on the truck 886 01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:33,360 but that's still engine a um a manhole cover off to them I'll show them so I 887 01:42:30,679 --> 01:42:40,679 mean I guess technically if if someone made a 51% Financial contribution to the 888 01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:44,360 said ladder truck then we would certainly put a little marker on that 889 01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:50,440 ladder truck on the pain for them that's what I was thinking Elon 890 01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:53,599 University fighting Phoenix fighting fire 891 01:42:51,920 --> 01:43:00,080 oh I like it 892 01:42:55,960 --> 01:43:00,080 R we need 893 01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:11,040 ums or something to there I I would like to add an e instead of having a through 894 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:16,920 D um an e is I think also could be um somebody that has added significant 895 01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:21,480 Community involvement even not with the town and an example that I have just 896 01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:28,320 right offand so not like volunteer with the town um I don't know if y'all know 897 01:43:23,239 --> 01:43:34,119 Omega Wilson and his wife um out of me yes they have they worked on the west 898 01:43:32,119 --> 01:43:38,480 revitalization like they just took that under their wing and they just so I 899 01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:43,280 guess it's kind of in partnership with the town but for over 20 years like 900 01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:48,960 they've just contributed to that community and just help you know give 901 01:43:45,880 --> 01:43:54,599 people rides and just make West in you know Revitalize the the West area and 902 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:59,000 that is somebody who has contributed to the community they didn't volunteer you 903 01:43:57,639 --> 01:44:03,639 know they weren't working the the Christmas parades or the the lightings 904 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:08,199 of the tree they weren't an official and they weren't somebody who worked with 905 01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:12,800 the town I just I don't know heroes yes it's somebody I don't I might not know 906 01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:19,040 what they could do they have and again I think it should 907 01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:26,719 be a council um I think there needs to be some would you word it um so I looked 908 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:33,480 up one and I meant to email it to myself it was I saw it from 909 01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:37,760 towns um but it was a significant Community involvement or 910 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,400 contribution and I think it has to be sold that way I don't think it can just 911 01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:44,920 be anybody um and I kind of you know I 912 01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:47,800 don't think it should be necessarily famous person when we go into 913 01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:52,560 Gibsonville right you see home of Tory Holk uh something like but that's not 914 01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:59,360 named after somebody but I don't I don't know I just I feel I can go with this if 915 01:44:55,719 --> 01:45:04,520 it can be somebody come to us and you know amended something just imagine that 916 01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:08,679 person who comes to Elon every day and just walks the street and picks up all 917 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:12,480 the trash and that person has done that for 30 918 01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:16,960 years right you know I mean it's just something there and then it's like man 919 01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:22,000 he he doesn't get that kind of the Town mascot person hasn't really volunteered 920 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:28,239 with us hasn't really worked for us I just would hate to exclude people in 921 01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:31,679 that that regard why don't we just change has served as a 922 01:45:31,719 --> 01:45:41,320 volunteer with the town or within the town or has contributed significantly to 923 01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:46,800 the town yeah contributed significant I think I 924 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:52,480 think the thing about this at least the way that I see the way that I see it is 925 01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:56,360 you know we're trying to especially in the diversity equity and belonging 926 01:45:54,599 --> 01:46:01,840 committee we're trying to reach out to different communities that we might not 927 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:06,440 necessarily know among ourselves and so I think this is a great way for us to 928 01:46:04,119 --> 01:46:10,320 reach out to other communities and say who are some of those families or who 929 01:46:08,679 --> 01:46:14,239 are some of those individuals that have really made a difference and this would 930 01:46:12,119 --> 01:46:19,679 allow them to participate not saying that that's necessarily going to be you 931 01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:25,159 know the end all be all but at least it gives a form for which people can say 932 01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:29,599 you know so in for doing this as you said for 20 or 30 years it would be 933 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:33,960 really great if we name such and such after them obviously they would still 934 01:46:31,320 --> 01:46:39,159 have to apply like anybody else but this gives them the opportunity to use well I 935 01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:44,159 don't know about applications okay well well whatever the form whatever the 936 01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:48,560 referal referral excuse me referral we do application no I'm sorry I meant I 937 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:56,920 meant so I added a letter letter D just to 938 01:46:53,440 --> 01:47:03,560 adft um so I bumped e down has contributed significantly to the town 939 01:46:59,639 --> 01:47:09,679 for a period of 20 years or more so how do we def do we need to Define 940 01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:15,840 that like my definition of contributed significantly would be served in a 941 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:22,480 formal manner but what what are you all defining it as well you put you're also 942 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:26,080 putting it on place of done these other ones I'm just trying to figure out what 943 01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:30,760 if it's some kind of a special thing that we want the council may want to do 944 01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:35,080 whether it is someone who's done a sign made a significant 945 01:47:32,679 --> 01:47:39,360 contribution nonfinancial contribution of time and effort to the 946 01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:49,320 town Years Part would that follow under the 947 01:47:46,679 --> 01:47:53,560 volunteer um contribution somebody gave a bunch of 948 01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:57,639 time and contribution to the town that' be a 949 01:47:54,880 --> 01:48:01,960 volunteer well but your your person your person 950 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:06,840 didn't I was just trying to figure outy to 951 01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:14,159 wordi you're about started a comment earlier about volunteering with the town 952 01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:20,920 implies formal somewhat formal Arrangement um because on behalf of the 953 01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:25,040 with or be on behalf of the town get addresses your issu somebody who 954 01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:32,280 picks up the trash every day for 30 years um that they're not volunteering 955 01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:34,800 with us they're doing it on behalf of us for their own 956 01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:42,800 aition there's a lot of ways you could give recognition to people I think give 957 01:48:40,440 --> 01:48:49,000 example University does a great job they have benches around campus in honor of 958 01:48:45,639 --> 01:48:55,119 or memory of P employees doesn't have to be naming a building right there's ways 959 01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:55,119 you want to recognize families or 960 01:48:55,480 --> 01:49:04,000 people there multiple ways doing it space of we don't have 30 buildings that 961 01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:09,000 need naming rights so we're gonna be selective if we have a new building if 962 01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:13,880 that's what we decide to do if someone was worthy of doing 963 01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:22,560 that and that was my thought process and I mean and some municipalities have over 964 01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:27,400 20 years on theirs um and my thought is is 965 01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:33,920 that if they are getting something named for them think that they should have a 966 01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:39,760 significant contribution to the town that affects the people that are paying 967 01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:43,199 for it the taxpayers yeah that was the way that I was looking at it but I agree 968 01:49:41,480 --> 01:49:48,599 I mean there's other ways to recognize people well can we just leave it that 969 01:49:45,239 --> 01:49:53,000 broad right you know we have this rubric but we can just say that they have 970 01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:58,360 contributed significantly to the town and whoever that person is there's going 971 01:49:56,000 --> 01:50:03,360 to be an argument made and then it's up to the current board to deem if that's 972 01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:09,719 significant enough think on there the more it's 973 01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:18,800 gonna have to check all these boxes but if it has just significant amount of 974 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:24,119 this to the T I don't know I I just would hate to like what if there's This 975 01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:30,239 brilliant person who figured out how to engineer and conserve our water B what 976 01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:36,520 we're doing and we just man they just 977 01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:42,840 contributed said I'll give you a billion dollars name this building s's already 978 01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:47,440 named after it though right 979 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:51,960 the my that's just not the way I look at it 980 01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:55,040 I I tend to agree with you mayor is it someone who's made a significant 981 01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:59,199 contribution not necessarily Financial but who's who's been an advocate who's 982 01:50:56,880 --> 01:51:03,520 worked hard for the town and made Elon a better place right I just think you know 983 01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:11,079 when you look at what we have named for people right right you have the hallway 984 01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:16,000 is Mike Doula he was our town manager forever um you have the Ron clap State 985 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:22,079 playground he was sitting on this Council for 20 over 20 years you have 986 01:51:20,119 --> 01:51:28,079 the front of the building was dedicated to Mayor tally almost 40 years in 987 01:51:25,480 --> 01:51:33,960 service we have Lawrence Slade which is our longest standing olderman at the 988 01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:41,599 time named after him you have Beth Schmidt town clerk Town manager mayor 989 01:51:37,639 --> 01:51:45,079 council person more than 20 years of contributions I just feel like if you're 990 01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:51,079 going to name some if you're going to name everything else off of people who 991 01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:56,440 made such significant contributions to the town then that should be what your 992 01:51:52,880 --> 01:52:02,000 rot work is otherwise if let's say that there's six 993 01:51:59,880 --> 01:52:07,599 other people sitting up here and you make it a broad policy at the end of the 994 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:15,159 day 6on students could be sitting up here and if this policy is not well done 995 01:52:12,199 --> 01:52:15,159 it can be any 996 01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:24,760 joeo four years from now ultimately students we don't like this policy we're 997 01:52:21,719 --> 01:52:29,040 gonna that's true let me ask you this um if you just if you just went back to the 998 01:52:26,599 --> 01:52:32,679 C that's in there right now and I think it's already been mentioned has served 999 01:52:31,159 --> 01:52:39,679 as a volunteer slash on behalf of the town of 1000 01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:44,719 of the town for a period of 20 or more years I think you've covered it then 1001 01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:48,320 that way leaves the door open for a significant something that happened like 1002 01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:51,800 that family like you're talking about that couple you're talking about would 1003 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:55,719 include them because they're not official capacity having volunteered or 1004 01:52:54,360 --> 01:53:01,360 as a volunteer like on one of the committees or something like 1005 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:07,119 that your suggestion is to change letter C has served as a volunteer with or on 1006 01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:11,880 behalf of the town for a period of 20 years or more I take that 1007 01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:17,360 convers kind of to the rubric of who's our Main Street star every year that 1008 01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:22,880 doesn't have that's not a bill happens to be a volunteer this that time you got 1009 01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:28,920 it the year before granted you were a council member um but you didn't have to 1010 01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:34,040 be right anybody could have our public works department has been a winner of it 1011 01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:40,000 so that that's the type of stuff I'm talking about if somebody did that for 1012 01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:46,440 20 years yeah it was on behalf of the Town didn't volunteer specifically for 1013 01:53:42,119 --> 01:53:53,040 the town but they wouldn't be thought I think overall the board's going to know 1014 01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:57,560 where this is we naming something after and I don't think everything needs to be 1015 01:53:54,719 --> 01:54:02,480 named oh I agree that's we added that in here not everything needs a 1016 01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:07,320 name because otherwise everything is gonna it's gonna be up here every other 1017 01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:12,119 week we gotta name this I like I like the document yeah it do water it down 1018 01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:15,679 when when and that's why I really felt like I don't think the on behalf of 1019 01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:20,159 waters it down I think it just it it it includes it gives us an option I can get 1020 01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:25,040 down with what Randy says so like the years involved yeah I can live with the 1021 01:54:23,159 --> 01:54:29,000 years now now Bas on what you said going back to 1022 01:54:26,199 --> 01:54:35,520 Monty's um well I mean it doesn't say they we have to but they give a giant 1023 01:54:32,079 --> 01:54:41,040 cont Financial contribution but it puts some in the running yeah sure does or we 1024 01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:44,239 could just take it out completely but if somebody was super awesome and love the 1025 01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:50,040 town like what if you know Bill we could even 1026 01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:54,320 just take that one out like that's the one that me personally I'm least tied to 1027 01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:59,520 is the financial contribution I just feel 1028 01:54:55,239 --> 01:55:03,560 like to have such a recognition of having a 1029 01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:09,320 facility named after you you should have to give a significant 1030 01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:14,599 time contribution I I like it as it is 1031 01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:19,719 exception I won't change yes I'm with it on the behalf I'm done I still think 1032 01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:23,960 that you need to leave that open for the B contribution because you know someone 1033 01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:28,239 may do that and then they might want to do it on behalf of a loved one something 1034 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:31,840 that they've lost or something there's just a lot of reasons why that that name 1035 01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:35,679 could mean something special maybe some of them mostly 1036 01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:41,280 wouldn't say it doesn't matter to me whether he name or not and honestly when 1037 01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:46,400 we put it together I don't think I was thinking that someone was going to like 1038 01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:50,119 pay for I don't know like a whole new park right it more like if someone 1039 01:55:48,800 --> 01:55:54,960 wanted to maybe put the shelter on top of the 1040 01:55:51,880 --> 01:56:00,599 basketball court you know 51% of that is really feasible for a donation and we 1041 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,599 didn't we name the 1042 01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:08,920 court slay Park is named after Frank ha is it that's 1043 01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:14,360 right I don't think it's marked is it I think it is still 1044 01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:25,599 Mark the case I think it I think it to stay I mean that may encourage leave the 1045 01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:31,360 financial contribu yeah I think I think it would discourage 1046 01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:39,119 yeah have y'all considered what if whatever was named changes its capacity 1047 01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:44,880 and it's no longer there function for in Smith conference 1048 01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:56,599 there that was pre us um I think that we should I mean we have a park you know 1049 01:56:53,159 --> 01:57:01,159 it's it's not a contract it's the naming of someone the building were to be 1050 01:56:59,159 --> 01:57:04,920 destroyed if we had to move would you feel obligated to have to name a new 1051 01:57:02,920 --> 01:57:09,639 facility or a new hallway conference room yeah I would I don't think you 1052 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:15,000 would I think it's and we see people change names of 1053 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:21,079 villains all the time even here in Elon they change names of buildings great 1054 01:57:17,239 --> 01:57:25,800 names there's no contract I agree with that but I also think there 1055 01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:30,960 are other ways that we need and one of the things that rich and I discussed in 1056 01:57:27,880 --> 01:57:34,360 drafting this was about sponsorships and we decided to leave sponsorships out of 1057 01:57:33,079 --> 01:57:39,880 this and that we should look at sponsorships separately for like a table 1058 01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:44,280 at the plaza if someone wanted to sponsor a table at the plaza how would 1059 01:57:42,040 --> 01:57:49,400 that be handled and we said we don't want to do it in a naving policy we 1060 01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:54,159 think it should instead be something something that's established by whatever 1061 01:57:51,079 --> 01:57:57,960 campaign or whatever well we did it out at theith playground benches with people 1062 01:57:57,159 --> 01:58:02,520 made donations yeah those kind of things we 1063 01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:06,679 want to encourage people people may be encouraged to do that if they knew we 1064 01:58:04,199 --> 01:58:11,320 would allow that well we have we have bricks out in front of town hall down at 1065 01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:14,880 the corner of hagard and Williamson we went and built a playground and did the 1066 01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:18,280 whole thing made the contribution it was all put up then they redid the 1067 01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:24,679 playground and it's no longer there our name is no longer there but up in 1068 01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:29,280 Virginia that's time comes and goes so that's so so to answer your question I 1069 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:32,960 think the change of function it's going to happen whether we like it or not 1070 01:58:34,639 --> 01:58:46,760 so okay so I like the doc a b c and d but C has now changed to has served as a 1071 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:51,920 volunteer with or on behalf of the town for a period of 20 years or more may I 1072 01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:56,159 would move the acceptance of this document was there anything 1073 01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:07,199 needs I know it's it gets brought for the council 1074 01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:10,920 Now bring up naming y nominations for naming shall only come from Town Council 1075 01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:14,960 Members or town staff recommendations for naming by 1076 01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:20,920 members of the public shall be provided to the town manager or individual 1077 01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:27,760 members of the Town Council i' 1078 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:34,199 be F I mean I don't know are we trying to prevent just people coming to us 1079 01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:38,079 trying to name everything yeah so if that's not everything needs a name I 1080 01:59:36,199 --> 01:59:43,800 think it's more like you know for example when we did 1081 01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:50,360 Ron clubs at playground the mayor at the time said 1082 01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:55,800 you know this is what Ron has done he made significant contributions to the 1083 01:59:53,480 --> 02:00:01,239 that playground being created let's dedicate it to him we did it you know I 1084 01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:06,119 mean I would be fine with it coming that the mayor has to bring it and then bring 1085 02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:11,719 it to the board that's one less step than a council member bringing it up for 1086 02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:17,280 a discussion if that's part of the I think it's I'd like to leave it if 1087 02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:20,960 that's fine with leaving it yeah I just think 1088 02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:26,079 it you know depending on who the mayor is what if it's not a friendly situation 1089 02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:30,159 sure so no I still think that I mean the thing is Mayor didn't have the 1090 02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:35,560 vote I think if somebody wanted to come to Randy or the Quinn or Stephanie say 1091 02:00:32,920 --> 02:00:41,880 i' like to consider naming this is the criteria that they've done they met it's 1092 02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:46,199 up to the five voting MERS decide still to go have to go through that process 1093 02:00:44,040 --> 02:00:52,560 but if you if you limited just the mayor and she and he or she says no I don't I 1094 02:00:49,239 --> 02:00:56,320 don't think it's a good idea you lost an opportunity she wants the she's the one 1095 02:00:54,719 --> 02:01:01,560 that wanted the procedure just it's out in the open and no I commend you for 1096 02:00:59,239 --> 02:01:04,360 doing that she only be Mar for another 30 years we 1097 02:01:05,079 --> 02:01:08,840 got he's only getting a 1098 02:01:12,040 --> 02:01:22,760 hallway oh my this okay so I have a motion yes to add amended I did yeah we 1099 02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:27,599 added I've added it already in and a in the update we don't need we don't need 1100 02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:32,599 to make an official Amendment do we prior to this we didn't make a motion 1101 02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:40,159 before we changed the do so your motion is to approve with the new virgin virgin 1102 02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:47,199 virgin of letter C has served as a volunteer with or on behalf of the town 1103 02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:53,119 for a period so we added or on behalf of that's it all we add all right so have 1104 02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:53,119 motion motion you have a 1105 02:01:53,480 --> 02:02:00,719 second I'll second all in favor say I I any 1106 02:02:01,119 --> 02:02:05,760 oppos I will send this 1107 02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:20,000 out okay next up um we have reports starting with our town 1108 02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:25,079 manager right um I'm a things are happening 1109 02:02:22,320 --> 02:02:32,639 uh the elepant in the room is the plaza perhaps uh we got the utility fold the 1110 02:02:28,599 --> 02:02:39,000 light posts were delivered installed sounds like one might need to 1111 02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:42,480 be re reset it wasn't Plum I guess one is missing as light for some 1112 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:51,440 reason what I've heard via our engineer is that um that may be why Duke hasn't 1113 02:02:49,800 --> 02:02:57,480 come out to energize the whole system yet so we we have no power there we have 1114 02:02:54,639 --> 02:03:03,159 no lights um they have move the the fencing back so the sidewalk on 1115 02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:06,719 Williamson is is now open so people have to be going around fencing or AC 1116 02:03:04,480 --> 02:03:12,040 crossing the street multiple times um the uh railing on the back of 1117 02:03:10,079 --> 02:03:16,679 the plaza still needs to be painted there's a couple so uh one of 1118 02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:20,679 the catch bases in Williamson need some touch-up work so there's still a little 1119 02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:27,280 bit of work to take place uh not assured that that'll happen this 1120 02:03:23,960 --> 02:03:30,719 week which will interfere perhaps with what's happening this 1121 02:03:29,079 --> 02:03:39,719 weekend um that Tak out the plaza work is 1122 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:44,079 ongoing at Haggard and O Kelly on the waterline uh 1123 02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:50,119 installation uh they've got another week of work at that intersection before they 1124 02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:54,719 start moving down east Haggard it's coming Tuesday evening is the 1125 02:03:53,000 --> 02:04:00,040 festival lights on campus and The Luminaries 1126 02:03:56,079 --> 02:04:05,199 downtown um Friday the 1 is the tree lighting in Christmas celebration at 1127 02:04:01,679 --> 02:04:10,960 Beth Schmid Park Saturday the 2nd is Hometown Christmas event downtown 1128 02:04:08,440 --> 02:04:18,400 lighting the tree downtown next week December 7th is the 1129 02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:24,719 lighting of the manora for Hanukkah and December 9th is a new event in Elon and 1130 02:04:22,679 --> 02:04:31,159 that'll be a celebration of lights uh throughout slay uh or slate Park and uh 1131 02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:35,800 there will at the same time the Baptist Church there will be doing a food drive 1132 02:04:33,639 --> 02:04:40,639 uh to help Supply the the food pantry that they 1133 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:44,159 operate and for the non non-sp special things of the next week and half I 1134 02:04:42,119 --> 02:04:47,559 direct everybody to head to our website uh the calendar of events under the 1135 02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:52,400 Community section uh 1136 02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:58,599 and I would like to take a real brief moment just to take a couple comments 1137 02:04:55,199 --> 02:05:04,320 about say's last meeting with us um you you had made the comment mayor 1138 02:05:01,719 --> 02:05:11,639 and I had it written as well that um when I saw the advertisement for Town 1139 02:05:07,639 --> 02:05:17,040 manager Elon and and uh called down here um I talked to 1140 02:05:13,559 --> 02:05:22,719 Diane when uh you folks decided you wanted to interview me Dian was one who 1141 02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:27,760 called me and invited me to come down made the arrangements for me to stay 1142 02:05:24,679 --> 02:05:31,760 down here um when I came down from the interview she was one to met me at the 1143 02:05:29,119 --> 02:05:37,400 building to welcome me to Elon and escort me up to arrived late mind you uh 1144 02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:43,480 and escorted me up to the room for my interview um and after you hired me and 1145 02:05:40,679 --> 02:05:47,599 I came to work here and I spent I think I spent the first day or two pretty much 1146 02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:51,880 just with Diane is learning the ropes of where things were and 1147 02:05:49,440 --> 02:06:00,400 uh what we had um that transition was remarkably easy 1148 02:05:56,159 --> 02:06:04,320 and uh I thank you for making it so easy for 1149 02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:04,320 me 1150 02:06:06,040 --> 02:06:15,840 um she obviously is is the one who uh uh coordinates has been 1151 02:06:12,559 --> 02:06:23,119 coordinating uh your meetings um making them go smoothly uh in the face of some 1152 02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:27,920 significant hurdles at times uh Co comes to 1153 02:06:24,360 --> 02:06:33,480 mind and you know when when we figured out we had to do something different and 1154 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:39,159 kind of looked at Diane and then didn't worry about it after that and you know 1155 02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:46,400 she figured out how to get it done we got it done and like most of the towns 1156 02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:50,639 in this country we had mistakes and we learned from them and we got them fixed 1157 02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:58,159 next um because of her dedication 1158 02:06:54,280 --> 02:07:03,040 um so and that took place during the good days and the bad days and times of 1159 02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:08,320 good health and Times of not so good health um you know whether it's you know 1160 02:07:06,679 --> 02:07:13,840 running things from home or what have you um so I want to say thank you to 1161 02:07:11,280 --> 02:07:20,520 Diane for the warm welcome I got when I came here 1162 02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:20,520 um friendship she's given me 1163 02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:29,960 the support the dedication that she shows to her job every day um she puts 1164 02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:35,239 the interests of our residents first um puts the interest of the 1165 02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:40,880 council ahead of that and and our employees uh that's what she works 1166 02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:46,400 toward every day whether it's finding that odd answer or answer to an odd 1167 02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:52,239 question or piece of information that's missing um 1168 02:07:49,239 --> 02:07:59,520 your service has been remarkable really appreciate it and uh it will be 1169 02:07:55,880 --> 02:07:59,520 remembered thank you very 1170 02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:13,920 much C enough got warm in here all of a sudden 1171 02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:17,440 too so Bethy hope please don't make me 1172 02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:22,760 follow that we love you Diane I hope you know 1173 02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:27,639 that and um much I can't follow that so thank you so 1174 02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:36,800 much I don't have qu we have our Arts meeting 1175 02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:44,000 tomorrow Wednesday was like so I look forward to going to that 1176 02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:49,800 um also a question D Jill is there a rain contingency plan if Saturday is 1177 02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:54,559 just raining we're we're what will we call it off will there be 1178 02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:58,880 an announcement of calling it off or are we rain or shine event we're coming 1179 02:08:56,599 --> 02:09:02,119 downtown um I think it would depends depend on the severity unfortunately 1180 02:09:00,719 --> 02:09:07,079 because a lot of it is going to be up on the grass that would probably be a 1181 02:09:04,199 --> 02:09:10,360 little bit um more concerned but I come from the school of thought 1182 02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:14,480 you don't worry about it till that morning because the weather can change 1183 02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:20,800 in a dime you're right question yeah if it's you know if 1184 02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:25,440 it's a Down for then even if you try to have an event and that people don't come 1185 02:09:22,599 --> 02:09:29,239 and Things become you're not unable to do things 1186 02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:33,079 and I don't even think about it too much until about the day 1187 02:09:30,679 --> 02:09:37,920 before um other than that I I look forward to uh all the happenings of of 1188 02:09:35,400 --> 02:09:43,559 Elon and I think we have a great holiday season and I look forward to seeing 1189 02:09:41,000 --> 02:09:46,960 everybody out experien at all it's part of what makes Elon feel 1190 02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:55,320 like Randy um just to speak around for the 1191 02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:59,159 church around the Christmas events um the Moravian love Feast which has been 1192 02:09:56,920 --> 02:10:05,320 going on now for many many years uh unites the UN university community and 1193 02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:10,920 church together to kind of get into the Christmas spirit it's five o'clock on 1194 02:10:08,119 --> 02:10:15,880 this Sunday and I I want you all that you're all invited want to be a part and 1195 02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:21,040 uh thing I love about the rabian love Feast is it's a welcome for everybody 1196 02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:24,880 there's no there's no exclusion so that's what I really think makes it the 1197 02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:28,599 best so so anyway I just wanted to make sure people knew about that our 1198 02:10:26,559 --> 02:10:34,119 sustainability committee will meet uh this Wednesday as well and uh now that 1199 02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:39,520 we have things like the LMO and other things there's we're we're basically 1200 02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:44,920 working toward um toward a possibility of of an audit energy audit and see what 1201 02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:51,079 that might look like we're so excited to have Kelly uh harar coming on uh to to 1202 02:10:48,599 --> 02:10:56,520 be a part with us and that will I think strengthen some of our 1203 02:10:52,840 --> 02:11:03,719 Partnerships I hope that goes well with along with this um and again I just want 1204 02:11:00,679 --> 02:11:09,079 to reiterate that uh um you know the partnership that we that we try to 1205 02:11:06,599 --> 02:11:14,920 express um you know as a community church and in the center of the of the 1206 02:11:11,320 --> 02:11:18,719 of the town is is a genuine one we we've we've had a long history of that we want 1207 02:11:16,760 --> 02:11:23,520 to try to continue that um Town Hall meetings that have taken 1208 02:11:21,239 --> 02:11:27,159 place in our Sanctuary to all the different things that have come over the 1209 02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:32,360 years so we want to continue that process and so I'm just glad that we can 1210 02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:38,280 also be a presence through at least this just happens to be me right now but uh 1211 02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:42,480 just to have some kind of a correlation Mak it 1212 02:11:39,239 --> 02:11:46,960 important thank you that's what I have yeah just a couple things I I want to 1213 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:50,920 thank Lori for taking the proverbial football and dragging it across Ross the 1214 02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:50,920 goal 1215 02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:58,199 line came off the bench and we appreciate it a lot of lot of great 1216 02:11:55,960 --> 02:12:04,440 volunteers I was amazed the people that stuck with the the project and and help 1217 02:12:01,480 --> 02:12:07,320 contribute meaningfully support from Brad 1218 02:12:05,239 --> 02:12:11,639 moity the people who didn't even live in our town that volunteered to step up and 1219 02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:15,760 we're we're grateful for their participation and uh and you like I said 1220 02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:19,639 there's a lot of things happen in December it's a great time of year um 1221 02:12:18,280 --> 02:12:23,400 it's also a sad time because we're losing a lot of great people we're 1222 02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:28,719 losing a federal councilman staff members phis is leaving 1223 02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:32,760 so you I'm just hoping it's going to give opportunity for other people to 1224 02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:37,119 step up and those voids it's going to be important until we fill those voids the 1225 02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:41,079 rest of Staff has got to carry that keep things going 1226 02:12:38,360 --> 02:12:43,960 so you know encourage you to continue on and you know that we're going we're 1227 02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:47,520 going to start new year and it's going to be positive and in the council it's 1228 02:12:46,119 --> 02:12:50,639 going to be it's going to be a lot of challenges out of us but 1229 02:12:55,079 --> 02:13:03,840 we're well d i you know go back to Diane because she and I only ones in this room 1230 02:13:01,079 --> 02:13:10,480 that've been here the whole time so uh 16 years and um it's been a pleasure 1231 02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:14,960 working with you Diane and I had no idea we'd be going out the same time of 1232 02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:21,639 course you started I did but U you've been great and uh just reiterate what 1233 02:13:18,199 --> 02:13:26,159 rich said and you've been a very uh very important part of our team here in the 1234 02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:32,000 town and very much appreciate it and hope you enjoy your retirement well 1235 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:36,840 deserved thank you very much bye thank you question about the love Feast do you 1236 02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:42,800 have to like RP you register you just show up at come at five just bring the 1237 02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:49,960 love bring the love yeah just come ready for some good music um the the Moravian 1238 02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:49,960 coffee in the bun and uh 1239 02:13:51,239 --> 02:14:03,320 um also I know that rich mentioned the park on Friday but um I know Mark cannot 1240 02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:08,639 be there um so to recognize Phyllis and her contributions to the park she will 1241 02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:14,920 be lighting the tree for us um on Friday so um if yall could be there even Satur 1242 02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:24,440 for that Friday that's at FID Friday at F you got more than one tree so 1243 02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:30,400 it's from 6 to 8 so I think we light it pretty early we get there early yeah I 1244 02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:35,840 would get I would I will be there around five you don't have to get there by five 1245 02:14:32,920 --> 02:14:40,760 but you'll be walking very far I'm walking you're not you know I'll park at 1246 02:14:38,360 --> 02:14:47,159 Monty's house and walk I'll park at your 1247 02:14:44,079 --> 02:14:50,599 house um I had planned to attend the devb meeting on December 4th 1248 02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:55,199 unfortunately I now have to be in Charlotte for work on December 4th so I 1249 02:14:52,520 --> 02:15:00,400 will not be there um but I will try my best to be at the first one in 1250 02:14:57,079 --> 02:15:05,079 January um and then downtown Thursday I'll be in Charlotte on Thursday of this 1251 02:15:02,599 --> 02:15:10,320 week so I won't be there either so I apologize um I did send out some 1252 02:15:08,480 --> 02:15:16,880 requests around committees and assignments for next year so um if you 1253 02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:20,800 have any edits please let me know otherwise we will be firming that up at 1254 02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:23,800 our next meeting 1255 02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:33,400 um and I think that is it I already said what I had to say to Diane and I'll be 1256 02:15:31,159 --> 02:15:39,159 here on Wednesday to celebrate you and we'll be celebrating you at our next 1257 02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:44,400 meeting before we send you off as well um so at this time um I would like to 1258 02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:48,199 request a motion for the council to meet in close session to evaluate the 1259 02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:52,800 performance of the Town manager pursuant to General statute 14331 1260 02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:58,360 18.11 a a 1261 02:15:55,960 --> 02:16:02,480 motion have a second all in favor say 1262 02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:11,520 I Randy Randy and for everybody who's here we will not take any action other 1263 02:16:09,559 --> 02:16:16,480 than to adjourn following the close session promise I assume that you will 1264 02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:22,360 be changing venues for the close session to the Emily Sharp confence 1265 02:16:19,719 --> 02:16:27,800 friend we will change venues to somewhere we go to the 1266 02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:34,880 P last time last time you guys did this I had to sit in a freezing entrance LW 1267 02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:39,679 for gosh how long was it that they beat you 1268 02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:45,439 up not true last it's true year it was a couple a couple months ago we had one 1269 02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:55,519 that no no no no no no the um last year time when they evaluated you about to 1270 02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:55,519 now um stay right here and um and and