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Tuesday, September 8th. Lindsay, if you
will please do the roll call.

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» Mayor Logos
>> here.

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» Mayor Pro Tim Holland
>> here.

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» Commissioner Brownlow
>> here.

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» Commissioner Plum
>> here.

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» Commissioner Sanderson
>> here.

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» Commissioner Wooten
>> here.

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» Commissioner Brown, if you would please
lead us in prayer.

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» We'll bow our heads, please. Almighty
God, we thank you for the privilege of

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serving this community. We ask you to
give us the wisdom to separate our will

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from your will, Lord, and to we ask for
your wisdom to ask the [snorts]

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necessary questions and the humility to
listen to our citizens. Lord, we bless

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our residents. Uh we ask you to bless
our residents, the visitors, employees,

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first responders, and all who protect
this island and its waters and

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resources. And as September 11th
approaches, Lord, we help us remember

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those lost and honor those who answered
the call. guide us toward safety,

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stewardship, fairness, and the common
good. Amen.

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» Amen.
>> We can all stand for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to

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[clears throat] the republic for which
it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.

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Okay, great. Now, if we can start out
with our public comment.

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» Doug Willis.

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» Hi, Doug.
>> Hey, good evening. Thank you. I want to

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start by saying I understand the main
goal behind the trolley service. Um,

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we'd all like traffic to be reduced on
the island, especially during the summer

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months, our busiest months. And I agree,
finding solutions to the vehicle

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congestion in the downtown area, is a
very worthwhile thing. Um, however, I

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also think that we need to take a very
honest look at the numbers. There

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approximately 40,000 to 50,000 people on
the island each week during the

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summertime. Um, the highest total we had
for the trolley that I saw was Memorial

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Day with 434 riders. If you put that
into perspective, we're talking 434 out

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of 40,000.
That's roughly one to one and a half% of

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the island's population that rode the
trolley during that weekend. Even that

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number be needs to be looked at
carefully because out of the 434 riders

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that doesn't mean there was 434 cars
that does on the road and many of those

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riders were couples or families
traveling together and and some may have

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only taken the trolley in one direction
rather than making a round trip. I'm

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going to look at the numbers. I'm not
sure when we looked at it if you counted

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a person on the trolley
as going and coming or it was just a

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single. I I didn't understand that
either way. So, I should have asked that

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a little bit more. But either way, in
addition, I didn't know how did we

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quantify if traffic was actually
reduced. I don't think we had anybody

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out there watching that to see if there
was less cars moving around or not. So I

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think the real question we have to ask
is how much traffic did we actually

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reduce in the downtown area utilizing
the 19 uh 1900075

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from the general taxpayer funds.
Also if the service is being used only

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by a a tiny fraction of the people on
the island while cost is being spread

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across the local residents including
residents who never used a trolley. I

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don't think it's unreasonable to
question whether this is the best use

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for that money.
I very much disagree with a statement

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from a board member that in the grand
scheme of having a $1.5 million budget

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that 19,075
is not a whole lot of money.

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I believe that money could make a
meaningful diff difference somewhere

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else such as towards uh beach access
ramps like we do for the upgrades

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improving accessibility
for serving our beaches and natural

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areas and other projects that benefit a
much larger community.

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I'm not opposed to the idea of a
trolley. If residents and visitors want

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to use the trolley, that's great. If it
can genuine gen genuine genuinely make a

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measurable difference in the traffic,
that's great, too. But we should be able

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to de demonstrate that that benefits
justifies the cost.

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Right now, funding a service being used
by a maximum of 1 to one and a half% of

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the population raises a very legitimate
question about priorities, at least in

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my opinion. If the board wants to
continue using the trolley, then I think

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we should explore ways for the service
to be funded by the people who actually

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use it, downtown businesses who would
benefit from it, donations and

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sponsorships rather than placing that
burden on the local residents.

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We all want the same thing, a better
island, less traffic, better

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accessibility, and preservation of the
place we call home. My concern simply is

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that 19,075
is a limited resource and we should put

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it somewhere to have the greatest
possible impact, not where it serves a

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small percentage of our community, the 1
to one and a half% that is dorn right

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now. Thank you.
>> Thank you, D.

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» Thank you. Thanks.

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» That was it. Okay. Okay. So, next on the
agenda is um the we heard you and the

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followup to prior public comments. Um
there's a print out in the box. Miss

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Carol Peoples was the only one that
spoke last month. So, um you can read

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our her dialogue there. Um Lindsay, if
you will ask for the conflict of

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interest.
>> Any conflict of interest? Mayor Logos,

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» no.
>> Mayor Pro Tim Holland,

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» no.
>> Commissioner Brownlow,

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» no conflict.
>> Commissioner Plum,

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» no. Commissioner Sanderson,
>> no.

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» Commissioner Wooden,
>> no. [clears throat]

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» Excuse me.

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Okay. May I ask for a motion to adopt
the agenda as written?

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» Moved.
>> All those in favor? I

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» I
>> Okay. Inter police chief Waters, if you

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will take the podium,
>> I missed something. Like I missed

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something.

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Well, good evening.

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I right now have the privilege of
introducing you to you our newest

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sergeant of the police department. His
name is Brian Propes. He comes uh he was

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employed with Kansas Police Department
from 1995 through 2016.

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He then moved here with his wife Monica
after she retired from Army after 34

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years of service. Brian wanted to move
here because they had vacation here for

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several years and was familiar familiar
with Emerald Isle ever since he was

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stationed at camp June while in the
Marine Corps. Brian became a part-time

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beach patrol officer in 2016 and then
later to full-time patrol officer.

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[snorts] Brian was moved into
investigation at a later time and did a

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fantastic job for us.
Brian is in the position of investigator

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for a period of seven years, but then he
Brian then uh wait a minute, wait a

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minute, hold on a second. Brian has been
married to Monica for 19 years with no

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children. Brian has been in law
enforcement for 30 years again. And we

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are fortunate to have Brian working for
the department and serving our great

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community. And uh I think it's 32 years
now you've been in law enforcement.

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» So what a great step up for him from a
patrol officer to a investigator

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[snorts]
and now to a sergeant. I like gave him a

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hand on that.

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» I think you said you wanted to sing a
song for us tonight. [laughter]

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» Maybe at the end.
>> Okay.

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So, next are the public announcements
and proclamations. Um, we don't have any

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proclamations tonight, but the public
announcements were streaming through as

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everyone got settled this this
afternoon. Um, some there was a few new

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ones that popped up. I just want to
share. Um, the beach driving season does

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begin September 15th. And then we have
more police educating the publics

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throughout the month. There's a planning
board meeting on Monday, September 28th.

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The fishing tournaments, the doll
fishing tournament on September 26th.

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And then a neighborhood watch meeting um
early October. Then the EI supper club

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on Tuesday, September 15th. I haven't
heard of that one before. Does anyone

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What is that?

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» It's a potluck supper held at the EMS
building.

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» You show up with potluck dinner.
>> Yeah.

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» Oh, that sounds fantastic. Okay, so
that's September 15th. All right, so we

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can move on to adoption of the consent
agenda.

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Make a motion to adopt the consent
agenda.

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» All those in favor?
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» Okay.
>> All right. So, agenda item number 12 is

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regarding the beach nourishment project
that is

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that we'll be discussing tonight. Frank,
did you want to talk to us about that?

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» Yeah. Thank you, Mayor Logos. Uh
commissioners, um really pleased to be

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here tonight uh presenting this item to
you. I think uh ultimately if approved

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will be a nice improvement to the beach
in Emerald Isle as well as the other

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towns on Bogue Banks. Um the formal uh
actions for the board's consideration

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tonight. Uh first there's a resolution
authorizing a $4,24,750

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contribution from Emerald Isle to Carter
County and that's for 25% of the SAM

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placement costs for the proposed
nourishment project. There's a companion

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budget amendment uh also presented for
your consideration in the same amount

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that would appropriate those funds uh
formally in the future beach nourishment

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fund that we currently have. So, as you
can see on the screen uh before you

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tonight, uh the proposed beach
nourishment project would cover three

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distinct reaches in Emerald Isle. Uh
there's a grand total of about 4.4 miles

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of our nearly 12 miles of beach in
Emerald Isle. There are three areas. Uh

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the first area is between Pebble Beach
and Sea Oats Drive in western Emerald

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Isle. Uh there's also that's 6,800
linear feet. There's also a stretch from

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Elizabeth Street to Pier Point in
Central Emerald Isle about 7,500 linear

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feet. And then a segment in Eastern
Emerald Aele between 19th and 3rd.

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That's about 9,100 linear feet. These
are the areas that are proposed for

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nourishment as part of this project. The
reason that these areas were identified

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is because based on the annual beach
profile surveys that are conducted by

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the beach commission, these are the
areas in greatest need of nourishment in

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Emerald Isle. Um, as you may know,
there's a very robust data set probably

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over the last 25 years or more uh annual
beach profile surveys. We've probably

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got more data about our beach maybe than
any other beach in the United States in

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all honesty. So uh they do the annual
beach profile surveys uh not just

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Emerald Dile um Indian Beach Pel Shores
Atlantic Beach as well. [snorts] These

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are the areas that were identified as
most in need of survey. So if the board

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approves the actions tonight, we would
expect these areas to be nourished this

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coming winter uh between sometime
between November 15th and April 30th. Um

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in reality, it will not require that
entire period of time. They will be in

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Emerald Isle probably for about two
months or so doing that work and the

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exact schedule will depend on uh other
factors where they decide to go in terms

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of the other towns. They may choose to
do Atlantic Beach and Pineel Shores

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first. They may choose to do Emerald
Isle first. Some of those details are

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not yet worked out, but what would occur
is that it would be between November

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15th and April 30th because that's the
authorized permit window when you're

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allowed to conduct beach nourishment
operations uh in North Carolina. The

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proposed project has uh a total of up to
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cubic yards of sand. Uh that basically
comes out to anywhere from 40 to 56

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cubic yards per linear foot in these
areas. Uh it's expected it would widen

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the dry sand beach by 75 to 100 ft. Uh
in those areas identified, um although

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the sand would only be placed on those
4.4 4 miles. Um, I would submit to you

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there are other benefits associated with
this. That sand will eventually migrate

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up and down the shoreline. Um, and it
will provide benefits. Some of that sand

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will blow into the dunes. Part of the
reason we've seen the significant dune

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growth in Emerald Isle is because of the
nourishment events that have happened in

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the past. So although your area may not
be included within the proposed project,

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there are significant communitywide
benefits associated with this as well.

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Um the good news is is that um there are
mechanisms in place so that permitting

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is already complete. Uh funding is
already available for the project. uh

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Carter County uh if ultimately the
county commissioners um approved the

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beach commission's recommendation uh
would award the project and they would

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fund 75% of the sand placement costs in
addition to the mobilization costs and

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some of the other ancillary costs
associated with the project. Uh they

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would fund 75% of the project for us and
for Atlantic Beach, Pineal Shores,

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Indian Beach. That leaves 25% of just
the sand placement cost for us. Again,

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it's at $4,24,750.
So, all in all, in Emerald Isle, the

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county would invest uh $16.8 million in
the SAM placement plus some portion of

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the mobilization and other project
related costs. In total, Carter County

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will be putting up more than $30 million
for the islandwide project. And every

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single penny of those funds is derived
from room occupancy tax revenues that

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are levied on short-term rentals uh
within really all of Carter County. Uh

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approximately 65% of the revenues come
out of Emerald Isle from the vacation

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rental industry here. Um so Carter
County has ample funds available to

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cover that contribution. And the good
news is that Emerald Isle has ample

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funds to cover that contribution. As of
this moment we have about $ 8.6 6

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million in the future beach nourishment
fund. This project would again require

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the 4.2 million uh that I mentioned.
That'll leave us with about 4.4 million.

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By the end of this fiscal year, we think
that will be somewhere around 5.6

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million. We typically add about a
million dollars a year to that fund. So,

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we're in good shape thankfully thanks to
prudent decisions by the current board

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and by previous boards. Uh so, we have
necessary funding available for these

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things.
Um the thing that I would point out to

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folks is that this is the result I think
of good government over many many years

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by many many people um many of whom
sitting in the seats that you're in

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tonight as well as in the other towns as
well as with the county as well as with

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the beach commission. We're at a point
now where beach nourishment is pretty

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well normalized and it's just one of the
services that we provide in addition to

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paving the streets, picking up the
trash, all of the various things that

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local government provides. And so the
fact that we're at this stage with beach

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nourishment right now, I think is really
indicative of good government in Emerald

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Isle and in Carter County and the other
towns over the last 25 years. So it's a

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good thing. Um it keeps the beach um in
great condition. uh provides that storm

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protection that we need when the
hurricanes come. Provides that u

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beautiful aesthetics as well as the
recreational benefits. Certainly

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provides habitat for the critters that
live out there on the beachrand. So um

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if you have any questions, I'm happy to
answer any questions that you may have.

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Again, the two items for your
consideration tonight, a resolution

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authorizing our 25% share and then the
budget amendment that formally

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appropriates those funds. If the board
approves these items tonight and if the

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other community's governing boards
approve similar items in the next couple

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of weeks, we expect that Carter County
would award the contract later this

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month. Again, work would occur this
winter at a time still yet to be

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determined. So, with that, happy to
answer any questions you may have.

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» Thank you, Frank. Um, Alicia, did you
want to start off with any comments or

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questions?
>> I have no questions. I I would like to

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reiterate the fact that although this is
normalized now and so many people have

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done such a good job of making sure that
that funding was in place from our

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legislators all the way down to the
local level as well as towns throughout

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the vote banks all the staff and the
elected officials and we just need to

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make sure we don't take that for
granted. That's a tremendous gift that

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um and it's a tremendous boost to our
economy because tourism is our economy

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and you heard it the tourism is paying
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those those tourists their money spent
is paying 75% of that tap.

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» Yeah. One thing I neglected to note, um
the other 25% from the town that's

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derived primarily from the primary
benefit district property taxes that

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oceanfront and inlet front property
owners pay as well as a contribution

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from the general fund as well as
interest earnings in there. So um it's a

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very I think equitable um financing
plan.

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Yeah, I would add I was talking to a
neighbor who's in that primary benefit

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zone and he was saying how that part of
his taxes he was glad to pay because he

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saw the benefit and I say it a lot that
our greatest asset in this town is that

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beach. It's really the reason I know
it's the reason I'm here and it's

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probably the reason most people have u
come to live in this area. So anything

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we can do to protect it or enhance it or
nourish it or anything to the good I

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think um is a tremendous benefit to the
town and to all the visitors that we

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have. So I think this is as you said
Frank and you said it well this is a

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great orchestration of government at
multiple levels working for this common

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good and the results will be evident by
next calendar year. Rarely do you get to

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see something get enacted and and
accomplished so quickly. So kudos for

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everybody that's made this happen.
>> Thank you, Jay.

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» Yeah. Um thanks, mayor. Um the mayor and
I serve on the on the beach commission

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for the county and when it came to time
to vote on it and I was just looking at

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that that huge number. It's almost $40
million. And it was humbling to know

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that I was going to be participating in
that vote on how that money was going to

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be used. and uh and knowing that it's
going on on to our beaches and for

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Emerald Isle to be investing 4.2 million
and in return getting 16 million dollars

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worth of sand back. That's a great
investment of our tax dollars and uh and

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it's it's protecting probably one of our
our best uh hurricane defenses that we

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have is our beach shoreline. Um, this is
I consider it to be more of an

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investment because it's protecting a a
core coastal resiliency investment in uh

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in in our shoreline. Why are we picking
out these hot spots? The engineers

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picked them out. They are hot spots
because our our entire shoreline is only

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going to be as strong as our weakest
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So, we need to fortify fortify those.
With that, uh the beach will reach

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equilibrium and the rest of the like
Frank said, it'll it'll balance itself

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out. Um, but this is a a great thing for
our beach, uh, for our our community. It

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helps keep our taxes low. It supports
our tourism. It maintains a recreational

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beach and hopefully it'll make a good
surf break out there too sometime after

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it adjusts. But but otherwise, it is a
uh it's a it's a great investment. I

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strongly support this project. Thank
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» no further comment. Thank you. Great job
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» Chris, right? Um, I just second what
everyone else has said. Many times you

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hear people say this is the most
beautiful beach they've ever seen. So

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what we're doing here is testament to
that and [snorts] that's what keeps

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people visiting Emerald.
>> Yeah, there's a lot of data and a lot of

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studying that goes into this. Um it's
almost a foreign language the first

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couple times you hear it, but u but
there's a lot of thought and so I think

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it's definitely a good move. Can we ask
for the motions to move forward? I'll

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make a motion to adopt the resolution
authorizing town contribution Carter

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County for beach reour or beach
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» Okay. All those in favor?
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» I
need one more motion.

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» Motion to adopt the budget amendment for
future beach nourishment fund.

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» Okay. All those in favor?
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» I
>> Thank you.

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» Okay. Great. So, agenda item number 13.
[clears throat] Um, this is regarding

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the police department contributions.
>> Excuse me.

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» Interim Chief Waters.

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» Again, thank you all so much u listening
to me tonight and uh for something that

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is I feel very passionate to those and
some may not be so passionate, but I

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believe by talking about this tonight is
going to be very beneficial to those in

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the future. and uh beneficial to us in
in the present.

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But I want to preface this for just a
second. And if I move around, that's

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just how I talk. Is that okay? So,
a lot of you know me, some of you don't

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know me.
I've been employed with the police

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department since 1984.
I was 10 years old when I started.

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[laughter]

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But I was born here. I was raised here
and I've worked here. This has [snorts]

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been my home away from home for many
years. I'm very passionate about

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Inortisle
and moving forward with

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with this topic I'm bringing up. Um,
it is a it's a tool that could be very

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helpful to the police department
for keeping our town safe and moving

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forward in the future with
>> suggestion. Anybody at home can hear

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what he's saying.
>> Excuse me. Chief Waters, do you mind

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grabbing the microphone?
>> I'm sorry.

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» How about that? That better?
>> Yeah.

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» All right. Okay.
I'm going to be speaking tonight about

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two different two different um programs
underneath our surveillance policy.

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This first one is called the E1 Police
Department UAS proposal

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unmanned aircraft system and let's just
go and call it a drone.

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It's a rapid deployment, search and
rescue scene documentation and major

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event overwatch. And I'm going to be
talking specifically about each thing

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about on this slide.

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Why does the Emerald Ale Police
Department need an unmanned aircraft

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system? Why? We live in a small
community. Why do we need it? I'm going

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to explain to you why. One of the
reasons for officer safety

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where we observe hazardous,
inaccessible, or uncertain areas being

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committed before committing our
personnel into a dire situation.

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It gives us faster response for searches
which cover the beaches, the inter

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coastal waterway, the bug sound
neighborhoods, the wooded areas and

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other large search areas efficiently.
It also brings us

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the supervisor real time overhead view
of developing

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incidents at and major events. Also, it
also gives us better documentation.

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Capture repet uh repeatable aerial
imagery for serious crashes,

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crime scenes, and postevent review.
So, the UAS will be a departmentwide

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tool supporting patrol, investigation,
supervision, emergency responses, and

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mutual aid to our neighboring
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What is this drone?

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» [clears throat]
>> and enterprise public safety

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capabilities in a compact platform that
can live in a patrol vehicle.

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Realistically,
they can can be deployed in less than 2

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minutes.
The takeoff weight is 2.7 lbs

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and with no wind, course we always have
a wind around here. The flight time is

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averaging around 49 minutes. It also has
a thermal sensor by 640 x 512.

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Now [snorts] the multi multi-ensor
payload is 48 megapixels

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for a wide angle camera 48 megapixels on
a medium telephoto camera and thermal im

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imaging
cuz the laser rangefinder

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what in the world we have a laser range
finder for it. Well determine about

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what's going on at the beach. How much
beach are we losing? That's that is a

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safety issue. Near infrared auxiliary
light which cannot light up at night

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time. If we have to go out to the water
for swimming in distress which we have

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people swimming out there at night. We
can uh actually light up that area as

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well.

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It is the highest the highest value uses
for the NY police department. There's

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three mission sets would provide
immediate operational value.

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Search and rescue.
missing or endangered persons,

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folks with Alzheimer's walking out of
their houses. I tell you a quick story

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on that. I had one in Dear Horn Dunes
one time. She came up missing. Family

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was hysterical.
We looked for her. We called in officers

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from all over the place trying to find
this lady. We finally found her. She was

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at Sheron Hotel in Let it Beach. She had
walked that far.

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If we had a drone, we would we picked
her up a whole lot quicker than 5 hours

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later.

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Beach shoreline inter coast waterway
sound searches have a boater in

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distress,
bo missing, we can assist with that as

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well.
Wood visibility areas, nighttime thermal

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searches. If we have another Alzheimer's
person or or child walk out of the house

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at night time,
they can look at by the heat sensory of

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that of that child or that person.
Water rescue reconnaissance.

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This drone is actually set up to where
we can pick up a flotation device, take

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it out and drop it off to a person in
distress.

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We also have uh payload that's payload
drop systems, highintensity spotlights

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for that and a loudspeaker PA system.
I know I talked to uh chief uh from the

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fire department. We had an incident
Saturday

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where we were called out. They were
called out to send out a jet ski to

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kayakers out there think they're in
trouble. So the fire department had to

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take their resources, deploy it onto the
beach strand, go out to the kayakers to

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find out they were okay.
If you had a drone, fly it out there.

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Are y'all guys okay?
And they fly back. They didn't they

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didn't take up the time of a fire
department personnel on on expanding

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that resource.
Same mapping and documentation. Serious

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traffic crashes. I would tell you we had
a head-on collision at the base of the

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bridge back in um about 12 years ago.
Head-on collision, a fatality.

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There was debris all over that area
around that bridge.

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We were told there was a child ejected
from the vehicle.

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So, we had to get people searching all
over the place up Marsh looking for a

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child. Fortunately, the child was not
there. Even though we found a car seat,

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the child was not in the car seat and
was not ejected.

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Evidence, vehicle positioning, 2D, 3D
model data collection to help recreate

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that crime, that crime scene or that
accident scene. Major event overwatch,

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large public events such as the St.
Patrick's Day festival. We have a large

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crowd showing it, people from all over
the place. So what that could get for us

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is an overview watch going up if there's
issue with personnel uh attending we can

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also go there and uh uh uh have officers
go in that area to assist in that

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matter. Command level resource
deployment. Again, expandable platform.

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Additional thirdparty accessories can
expand aircraft capabilities. Payload

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relief system, spotlights, loudspeakers
for committing instructions to missing

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or distressed persons.
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Another good thing about the drone
system is the same platform can also

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support storm damage assessment and
mutual aid to another agency if needed.

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We all have experienced a lot of issues
with hurricanes here. We have seen how

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much kind of devastation it causes.
Trees across roadway, power lines down.

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Instead of sending out deploying our
rescue out there to see if they can get

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there, you can deploy a drone to find
out if it's accessible. Is there

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somebody in need of EMS? How can they
get to them? We can find a better route

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to get to them. Accountability
and responsible use.

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Every system deployment will operate
under establishment legal training

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documentation and supervisory
safeguards.

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This is very important.
Anybody operating any of the officers

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operating
that drone would be trained and

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qualified through the part FAA part 107
certified program. also a 60-day flight

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and training quarterly training and
annual evaluation for that person that's

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piloting the drone.

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documentation every time that drone is
deployed

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it's called a CFS would be generated a
call for service

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it's documented
if there is a issue that port is needs

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to be done and OCA will be also
generated OCA is means originating case

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agency number which is assigned to that
case flight records will be implemented

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evidence for evidence procedures
authorized

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and lawful. It's authorized purpose.
It's also through the laws of FAA and

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North Carolina law and the ML police
department policy as well. There's also

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constitutional and privacy protections.
That is important. It's not there to

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infringe upon anybody's rights. It's
only there for safety, resources, and

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recoveries.
The oversight for this is always a

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supervisory involved. A supervisor will
oversee the process of this of this uh

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program
along with the coordinator which is the

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pilot the annual program review and
reporting person in charge final

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authority. With this there's always
greater capability of training oversight

421
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:29,519
documentation and accountability built
into every deployment.

422
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:34,159
Now
the unmanned drone also provides more

423
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,399
than live video. It can also create
location based on data and document a

424
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:43,760
record of each deployment.
Mapping documentation we already went

425
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:48,720
over that about create detailed overhead
maps which can generate through

426
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:55,440
something for the town of Eald.
Listen to this part. It is GIS capable.

427
00:32:52,399 --> 00:33:01,120
Every time that drone is deployed, it is
marked mapped where it is going and

428
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:05,279
where it has returned.
The flight path history. It records

429
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:10,000
where and when the drone flew. Records
the flight path at altitude, time and

430
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:15,679
location. Flight data can be downloaded
and retained. Maintain as a central

431
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:21,120
departmental record and also supports
afteraction review and accountability

432
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:25,440
which is very important.
Documenting deployment. Each department

433
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:30,880
will be signed again a call for service
record. Multiple flights can be

434
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:35,840
documented underneath one CFS. An OA
will be attached to each one. Photos and

435
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:41,440
video with evidentiary value will be
preserved in accordance with department

436
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,840
evidence procedures. Flight records
identify

437
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:51,840
the reporting person in charge and miss
mission.

438
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:55,600
This this system
is is delicately

439
00:33:54,080 --> 00:34:00,320
overlooked,
overwatched by supervisors,

440
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:06,360
by the administrative staff of the
department. There is strong policies in

441
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
place.

442
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:11,919
When I look at something like this, I
think about what a great tool this could

443
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:17,639
be used for for the department,
especially had a child in distress, a

444
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,639
missing person.

445
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:25,040
I we could use this many many times,
but it's not going to be used for such

446
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:28,800
things as code enforcement. It's not
going to be used for traffic

447
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:33,760
enforcement. It's not used for such a
thing. It's it's used for [snorts]

448
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:38,720
search and rescue, going out and helping
people at the time of need. I have a

449
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:43,119
lady here tonight, Miss Nancy Fantel.
She's traveled all the way from

450
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:49,879
Virginia. Uh she has been a big
contributor with this. Um, and I'd like

451
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:49,879
for her to come and share her story.

452
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,079
» This will be my easel. [snorts]

453
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:17,760
Um, good evening everyone. Uh, madame
mayor, commissioners, and staff. My name

454
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:22,480
is Nancy Frantel and I live in
Midlotheian, Virginia. However, I was

455
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:28,480
born and raised in Durham, North
Carolina. For the past 33 years, my

456
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:31,040
family held reunions at Emerald Isle.
And I'm going to start getting emotional

457
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,760
because you're going to understand why
as I get through the rest of this story

458
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:40,480
because it's a very powerful story. Um,
we rented cottages on Ocean Drive. I

459
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,800
frequently returned for extra
relaxation. It's kind of my home away

460
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:50,480
from home. I mentioned the period of
visits in order to establish standing.

461
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:55,599
I realize tonight is for the budget
amendments approval on the police

462
00:35:52,400 --> 00:36:00,000
department contributions. However, I'm
going to be proactive and ask that you

463
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:05,040
approve the purchases when the time
arrives for all of the equipment

464
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:10,000
requested and already funded for the
police department. I'm going to focus

465
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:15,839
now on requesting the approval of the
drone. A recent donation was made to

466
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:20,560
cover the full cost, and yes, that was
me. Thankful and humbled to be able to

467
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:25,680
do it. I love police officers. I deal
with them all over the country. Um,

468
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:30,800
please allow me to tell you a true story
to help you identify with my plea and my

469
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:38,320
passion obviously about purchasing a
drone. One year ago during an excuse me,

470
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:42,640
one year during an August reunion, say
I'm already just wait till I get to the

471
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:49,079
end of the story. Um, my brother and I
left from the beach on a Hobie catamaran

472
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,079
16 for a short sale.

473
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:59,119
You guys live at the beach, so you know
what a patter might look like, but maybe

474
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:06,880
some people don't, especially the people
on the other side of the world who can

475
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:13,040
watch this video. Um, it is, and this is
important for later. The mass height is

476
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:17,760
26 feet, 6 in, and the bow to stern is
only 16 feet. And it has a mesh like a

477
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:26,480
trampoline. So it's not substantial
although it's legal. So um

478
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:34,160
and where we left from this was it um
this picture is great because we left

479
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:40,839
around here and we started sailing out
very

480
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,839
um okayized

481
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:52,079
the marine forecast was uneventful when
we left about 20 minutes into sailing A

482
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:58,480
storm developed resulting in high waves,
high swells, winds, and heavy rain. We

483
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,880
tried to turn the Hobie back to shore.
We're typically only gone like an hour

484
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,880
and a half at most. Um, instead we
capsized.

485
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:18,839
So, if you're familiar with the Hobie,
it has pontoons, it has two, and then

486
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,839
there's the mesh in between. So, that

487
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,320
Um, we tried the

488
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:40,560
» I used to be a So, I'm very visual. Um,
with a a Hobieat there's a writing line.

489
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:44,560
So, you try to upright the boat, which
is actually in this picture what the

490
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,960
people are trying to do. They're leaning
back.

491
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:53,359
So, this is how thick the rope is to try
to get up a very heavy boat. Doesn't

492
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:58,880
work real well, especially when you've
got winds and sails, swells fighting

493
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:05,440
against you.
Um, so we eventually kept trying and

494
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:10,640
trying. It was ours by now. And we knew
family on shore would have called 911,

495
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:16,640
but there was nothing. There was nothing
coming, nothing in the sc nowhere. And

496
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:21,599
so eventually we turtled.
So those don't don't know because these

497
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:28,480
are beach people. You probably know
upright sailboat capsized turtled and we

498
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:32,119
were of course there's nothing you can
do after that point.

499
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:40,000
Um the wind and the rain eventually
stopped. But you see where I'm headed

500
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:43,000
with this about a drone purchase.
Um,

501
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,839
my brother is an experienced sailor, but
when you've got a turtle boat and you've

502
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,440
got current fighting against you,
there's nothing you can do. So, I'm a

503
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:58,079
very strong Christian. I said it
quietly, but I prayed to our heavenly

504
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,920
father and Lord Jesus and said, "Please
rescue us." Because I had two small

505
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:07,040
children. I mean, we had all the family
on shore and we knew all the vacationers

506
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:12,720
in the area were probably also
hysterical because these people had been

507
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:17,280
gone for hours. And
um so I said a prayer, please rescue us.

508
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:22,880
I'm a mother of two children. And I did
tell God, I'm a mother and I'm not dying

509
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:27,200
today and I'm definitely not dying in
the ocean. So it's like just at least

510
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:31,920
give me the chore. Um, and I'm going to
jump ahead a little bit, but if the

511
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,320
police department had had a drone early
in, and I understand it can't fly in,

512
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:40,640
you know, severe weather. I get that.
But when it did calm down, they could

513
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:45,200
have sent the drone out and started a
grid. So,

514
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:50,079
um,
and clearly a drone for other situations

515
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:55,920
with rescuing, Jeff's already talked
about. They're obvious, but this is a

516
00:40:52,880 --> 00:41:04,359
real life example of why I could be here
and not trembling telling this story.

517
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,359
Because what if it's somebody else?

518
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Eventually, a small speck off of the
side of the horizon started coming and

519
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:20,880
we were going like this. And you got to
keep in mind we had our life vests but

520
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:26,240
you you cannot see the trampoline. And
if this was the water, this is how much

521
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:34,880
of us you could have seen.
That's it. And so eventually the boat

522
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:39,440
came and it was a 40 43 foot fishing
charter that was coming in. They were

523
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:44,240
last boat for the evening and or was
like, "Okay, thank you. Thank you,

524
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Lord." Well, the clincher is, and that's
my last piece, but I'm going to wait for

525
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:51,000
that. Um,

526
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,319
we knew family called 911. There's
obviously a very close coast guard

527
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:03,440
station. In fact, the funny thing is,
not very funny now or even afterwards is

528
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:08,720
when we first went out, there was a
Coast Guard boat, a small one, and the

529
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:12,560
saying is they were so close, I could
have thrown them a sandwich. So that's

530
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:18,640
how close they were, but we never saw a
Coast Guard after that. And in fact, the

531
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:22,880
more I started researching this and I
called the Coast Guard, I wanted to

532
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:28,319
foyer the records and they said, "Oh,
no. We we wouldn't have come to rescue

533
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:33,040
you. That's not what we do." Now, I am
not bad mouthing the Coast Guard, but

534
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:39,200
and I know they work very very hard, but
they were not coming. They were not

535
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:44,720
coming. So the drone once again we get
to the drone. So talked to the boat

536
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:48,640
captain and get on the boat. I went in
shore talked to him a couple days later

537
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:54,079
and I said, "Thank you so much for
rescuing us and answering the 911 call."

538
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:59,760
He said, "I didn't know about a 911
call. I didn't know about two people

539
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:03,160
lost at sea."
>> Here's the punch.

540
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,440
the name on the boat.

541
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:20,960
That was the name on the boat. God heard
my prayer and I'm all for prayer, but a

542
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:25,520
drone would have worked out really well.
So, thank you.

543
00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:28,760
» Thank you for sharing your story.
>> You're welcome.

544
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:42,000
I am sure there's a lot of other stories
that could be shared. Um,

545
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:47,760
but the drone is a very important piece
of tool that the police department could

546
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:52,560
definitely utilize in the right way
in the right manner and I guarantee you

547
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,280
this is that we do have a policy in
place and I believe it's a lot of you

548
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,319
have received the policy on your uh on
your email. I actually brought some

549
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:06,960
extras tonight. If you don't have one,
you're welcome to it.

550
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:12,400
The uh another part of this
presentation had to talk about the

551
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:16,880
automatic license plate reader.
Somebody said, "Jeff, are you crazy? All

552
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:24,160
that stuff going out there about the
flock systems?" I said, "Yeah, I'm crazy

553
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:28,960
sometimes." But uh this system here is
not a flock system.

554
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:32,430
You'll pay attention to the the screens.
I'm going to show you what the

555
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:38,720
difference is on the flock cameras
[snorts] versus the vericotta.

556
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:44,079
The flock purpose built is uh to connect
local users

557
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:49,680
to connect local users
to a massive searchable multi- agency

558
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:55,440
network shared with thousands of law
enforcement all entries.

559
00:44:52,960 --> 00:45:00,640
capture data feeds into a collaborate
nationwide hot list and search

560
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,960
ecosystem.
The ricotta

561
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:12,720
keeps the data localized within the
deployed organization rather than

562
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:18,560
sharing with the national database.
National play and video data remain

563
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:23,521
confined to the specific organizations
private command dashboard. That's our

564
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,541
dashboard.
>> [clears throat]

565
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:32,800
» giving local administrators tighter
control over storage and excess

566
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:36,640
boundaries.
Now the key technical and functional

567
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:44,240
differences is this. The flock's primary
value propos proposition is its talons

568
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:50,160
network which automatically shares
captured vehicle data with thousands and

569
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:55,839
law enforcement agencies nationwide that
are on the network.

570
00:45:53,200 --> 00:46:01,040
This is what allows a controversial
vehicle tracking over a period of time

571
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:06,160
and space.
Now the vericata operates on a closed

572
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:11,680
siloed
architecture where the captured vehicle

573
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:16,240
data is totally isolated.
Capture data belongs strictly to the

574
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:20,560
organization that purchased the system.
There is no central interconnected

575
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:27,119
national database and out of
jurisdiction. Police departments cannot

576
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:30,680
log in or search a global ricotta pool
to track someone.

577
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:38,319
data can only be shared if the local
administrator manually exports a

578
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:43,720
specific clip after an incident occurs
and only for a legitimate law

579
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,720
enforcement period.

580
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:54,520
So the proposal for this is LPO
technology is an investigative tool not

581
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,520
a standalone basis for law enforcement.

582
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:03,280
The authorized uses are this used only
for law enforcement purposes under North

583
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:09,200
Carolina law. The last complaint reader
data shall not be used for enforcement

584
00:47:06,319 --> 00:47:13,359
of traffic violations.
Shall not be

585
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:18,400
used for enforcement of traffic
violations.

586
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:23,359
Audits conducted annually.
I'll move that to monthly.

587
00:47:21,422 --> 00:47:28,160
[clears throat] investigative value may
assist with stolen vehicles,

588
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:32,880
felony warrants, missing endangered
persons or criminal investigations. I

589
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:36,960
keep on thinking about we get a lot of
calls of people with Alzheimer's or

590
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:41,119
dementia walking out of their houses,
getting their vehicles and leaving and

591
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:44,960
they're not seen for days.
That vehicle has entered into that

592
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:48,240
system where we would receive alert say,
"Hey, that vehicle just came across the

593
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:54,079
bridge going see if you can help them
out."

594
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:59,599
LPR information supports investigations.
It is not by itself enforcement

595
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:04,079
authority.
Therefore, you have to verify and

596
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:09,079
document. Officers must verify any LPR
alert before taking enforcement action.

597
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:16,319
We must verify before we do anything we
get alert on to. If it's a stolen

598
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:21,599
vehicle, we have to verify that it is
still stolen before we act upon that

599
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:28,000
alert. Historical searches require
legitimate purpose and documentation.

600
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:33,920
Now the data not this is captured data
is confidential and subject to restrict

601
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,680
retention limits in accordance to state
law.

602
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Assess search and sharing and
preservation are subject to audit and

603
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:49,440
supervisory oversight. Now this
retention is held for 90 days. 90 days.

604
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:55,599
I want y'all to see the bottom of this,
please. Misuse of this system will

605
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,400
result in disciplinary action and
possible criminal liability.

606
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,000
The safeguards that are in place, there
are six controls in place to prevent

607
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:11,119
misuse.
Five already built into the software

608
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:14,720
itself. So the rent policy is not in the
software, that's in the town of M1's

609
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:19,839
policy.
The written policy is adopted policy

610
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:24,960
defines permitted uses only prohibited
queries and disciplinary consequences.

611
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:30,559
So therefore, anything that's taking
place is a case number and offense

612
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:37,520
required. Software requires case number
and offense type before any query can be

613
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:43,280
run. Every search is logged.
Role based permissions and sieges

614
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:50,240
custom roles. permission limit search
capabilities and see this view required

615
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:54,559
by NCIC alerts. NCIC is National Crime
Information Center which is based all

616
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,480
over the United States. They're the
people that when you put in a stolen

617
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:03,200
vehicle, a wanted vehicle or a vehicle
used in commission of felony, that tag

618
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:08,079
number is put in that system and that
tag comes onto the island, it alerts us,

619
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:14,400
but we have to verify before we do
anything.

620
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:22,640
Supervisor and random audits. Supervisor
reviewed flag searches the same business

621
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:28,480
day. We have to make sure it is legit.
Audits filter to the log by event type.

622
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:34,000
Now alert recipient scope type. They
alert scope to certain camera sites.

623
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:40,480
Alert scope to specific user groups. I
keep on saying users and entries.

624
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:44,800
Not everybody has access to the LPR
software. Only the administrative staff

625
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:52,800
of the Emil Police Department will
assign those folks to be able to assess

626
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:59,040
this program. They have to log in and
they have to put in a password. That

627
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:03,280
audit comes up. It tells me who's been
in there, what were they looking for, or

628
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:08,400
what were they entering
and therefore it's audited every month.

629
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:14,640
Retention and training. Retention is set
by state law and departmental policies.

630
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:19,839
Annual training on authorized uses and
bias awareness descriptors.

631
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:26,280
So the retention is held as well for 90
days. And again the audit is held once a

632
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,280
month.

633
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:33,280
So this is important.
All of it is important. But the

634
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:38,400
department of policy is based on four
core principles.

635
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:43,119
the legitimate need, the legal
authority, accountability, and privacy

636
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,720
protection.
Now the goals for this is to ensure the

637
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:51,920
technology remains a focused public
safety that does not allow for

638
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:57,680
unrestricted monitoring to provide
officers with modern tools that can help

639
00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:01,440
improve public safety while placing
clear

640
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:07,599
boundaries while placing these clear
boundaries around how those tools may be

641
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,559
used
to respond more effectively to

642
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:16,240
emergencies while maintaining
appropriate safeguards.

643
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:21,920
to provide to protect individuals
constitutional rights and public trust.

644
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,311
Folks, this is not the flock camera.
This is the fragata. This is a single

645
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,319
use system. Now, I will tell you,
[clears throat]

646
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:36,000
I've been made aware that Lamp Beach has
a Vicotta system. It's still in action.

647
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,520
They going to be moving that Vicotta
camera system to the base of their

648
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:44,160
bridge
having one down this bridge. If

649
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,640
something happens,
seriously, we can put in that

650
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:53,599
information and alerts go out. If any
one of those cars exit, then we know it.

651
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:59,359
We have a timeline. Could we have used
that for when we had the homicide and

652
00:52:56,079 --> 00:53:03,839
arson case down here? Absolutely. It
would have cut the resources down to

653
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,200
minimal. Very minimal. but we didn't
have it. It would have help with the

654
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:13,200
evidentiary
procedures in court.

655
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:19,711
With that being said, I know some of
y'all received a summary of

656
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:21,731
the surveillance program.
[clears throat]

657
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:29,359
The police department surveillance
technology policy establishes rules for

658
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:34,400
the use of two law enforcement
technologies.

659
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:38,559
the automatic license plate readers and
unmanned aircraft system which is called

660
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:44,240
the drones.
Both technologies can improve public

661
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:48,480
safety, increase officer safety, assist
criminal investigations,

662
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:53,839
and allow officers to respond more
efficiently to certain instances. At the

663
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:58,720
same time, the department recognizes
that these technologies have the

664
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:03,119
potential to collect significant amounts
of information and must therefore be

665
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:06,240
subject to clear limitations, oversight,
and accountability.

666
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,680
We keep on hearing the word
accountability, and that's that's a

667
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:17,200
fact. The proposed policy designed to
ensure that LPRs and drones are used

668
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:24,640
only for legitimate
and lawful law enforcement purposes. and

669
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:30,160
in compliance with North Carolina law,
federal law, constitutional protections,

670
00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:35,280
and applicable federal aviation
administration requirements.

671
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:42,720
The policy also establishes specific
restrictions on use, limit access to

672
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:46,400
authorized and trained personnel.
It also requires documentation for

673
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:51,520
certain activities,
establish data retention and disclosure

674
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:56,880
requirements. Provides for supervised
review and auditing [clears throat]

675
00:54:55,040 --> 00:55:02,000
and prohibits the use of the technology
for personal,

676
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:06,478
discriminatory, retaliatory, and other
unauthorized

677
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,319
purposes.
>> [clears throat]

678
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:14,079
» The intent of this policy is to provide
the department with useful public safety

679
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:20,000
tools while establishing a strong
safeguards to protect individual privacy

680
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:23,400
and maintain
public trust.

681
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:32,480
I'm not going to go through the whole
summary. Y'all have seen it.

682
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:37,839
I'm just asking that um
we look more into this and moving

683
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:42,800
forward for the purpose of the police
department having a good tool

684
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,559
to betterment our opportunities to help
others.

685
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:51,440
And I think just allowing the people to
know what we're doing would definitely

686
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:56,000
help as well.
>> Thank you, Chief.

687
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:59,760
» Thank you.
So, I have a feeling this discussion is

688
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:05,040
probably going to take a bit. Um, it's a
lot of information. Do just remind that

689
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:09,040
on the agenda tonight is the motion to
adopt the budget amendment for the

690
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:14,000
general fund. It's not what we're
actually purchasing, but I know that's a

691
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:18,559
hot topic as well. So, Roy, did you want
to start off in discussion?

692
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:23,040
» Yeah, thanks, Mayor. Um, this uh this
topic just happens to be a particular

693
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:27,839
sensitive issue for for me personally
and my family personally, but I'm not

694
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:32,799
going to dwell on that as much as I got
the but I have to use that as an example

695
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:40,640
of what can happen when uh when drones
are misused and your your constitutional

696
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:48,319
privacy rights are uh are abused. Um,
but I had a number of phone calls,

697
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:53,839
texts, and emails and uh and and I and
while I appreciate the the many benefits

698
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:58,880
of a drone, um, and let me start by
saying also that I I I trust my life

699
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:02,240
with with Chief Waters, I trust
everything our town manager, Frank Rush,

700
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:09,040
tells me. Uh, I trust these two
gentlemen uh, adamantly. Uh, they're

701
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:12,880
what they say. I they're men men of
their word and I I believe them

702
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:16,559
absolutely 100%.
Um, however, there's some some people

703
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,000
throughout this town that I was
contacted by and I guess they came to

704
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,000
me. I don't know if they came to
everyone else too, but probably because

705
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:30,799
of the the past experience what happened
with my with my family on this and uh

706
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:36,799
and where the the town droned my my
family's property. Um, I mean, it was it

707
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:39,760
was pretty pretty bad. Uh my my
daughter-in-law was breastfeeding the

708
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:44,480
baby and the drone was flying around the
windows looking inside and it was the

709
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:50,799
town drone.
Um, now I wish we had more time to look

710
00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:57,760
into this tonight because we were handed
this packet just today uh about the the

711
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:02,319
new policy in place for drone use and
and uh and I able to talk with the chief

712
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:07,119
today and stuff and I believe there are
some many many good benefits that that

713
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:11,680
could be used from the drone. However,
um I'm not going to sit there and and go

714
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:17,040
against the will of the people who who
contacted me and and asked me do not

715
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:21,040
approve that for various reasons and it
was including the uh the will of the

716
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:25,440
people, their the privacy, the
constitutional rights uh and and the

717
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:32,000
misuse. They said we don't want that to
happen to us. What happened to you? And

718
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:35,119
um and but I wish we had time to educate
people, educate me about it some more,

719
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,319
my family about [clears throat] it some
more.

720
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:42,400
Um, I I didn't even tell my family about
this coming up on the agenda tonight. I

721
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:47,200
mean, my wife had a stroke last year at
a board meeting. So, um, I'm not not

722
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:52,240
even going to didn't want to talk about
it with her. And so, I I feel that the

723
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:58,400
the people that contact me probably
represent a lot of people in this town

724
00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:02,400
who just don't call and speak up. Um,
I I hear what the the chief was saying

725
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:09,760
and and I I agree with him that there
there's some benefits to this, but uh I

726
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:13,280
I I feel like I have to represent the
the people. They they were saying look

727
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:17,839
the the verbal assurance is not a
safeguard because if that limitation is

728
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:22,400
genuine, the policy should plainly and
unequivocally state that drones should

729
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:26,559
not be used for code enforcement. Uh the
the policy has been upgraded. It still

730
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,359
doesn't say it won't be used for code
enforcement, but there's catches and and

731
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:36,480
and things in place now that weren't in
place before or that would be in place.

732
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:40,079
Um
and uh and they said uh basically this

733
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:44,000
is what their thoughts are. Our citizens
should be able to live in their homes

734
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:47,359
and enjoy their private property without
concern that the town government may be

735
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:50,559
watching or recording them from above or
peeping in their windows such as what

736
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,400
happened to my family and they were
referring well they said your family.

737
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,920
they and they feel that the benefits
don't outweigh the risk to the

738
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:01,760
constitutional protections, personal
privacy, and public trust. Uh

739
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:08,240
particularly given the town's prior
droning incident. Um and again we have

740
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:14,400
uh different people in charge now for
myself but uh and so

741
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:18,960
with that
I mean the county went so far at that

742
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:22,960
time to even put it on the permit
application that you consented to have a

743
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:27,839
have your property drone and
photographed in order to get a permit.

744
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:34,480
And that that was just uh that's just
the propensity to abuse this uh

745
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:41,440
technology is uh it's regretfully uh it
happened here. Um I wish it didn't.

746
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,920
Believe me, I wish it didn't. And uh and
I uh

747
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:53,359
and I wish I could uh vote both ways. Uh
but I have to uh the people who contact

748
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:58,000
me voted for me and I'm going to
represent their their vote.

749
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:00,559
And so that's that's where I stand on
this. Okay.

750
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:05,040
» Thank you for that opportunity to speak,
mayor.

751
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:07,839
» Anyone like to chime in next? Then we go
down the line.

752
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:13,520
» I will. Um, Chief, you mentioned
Atlantic Beach has these systems. Do

753
01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:16,839
what other beach towns and what does the
county have?

754
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:24,640
» I was told by the chief down Shore, they
actually have a ricotta system as well,

755
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:28,480
but they just use it for data purposes.
In other words, as a timeline, if there

756
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:31,520
was a crime committed, then go back,
pull up that timeline, and look at what

757
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:34,799
vehicles went through there. This is
basically what we're looking at on the

758
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:39,599
on the LPR system.
>> Do they have drones as well?

759
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,359
» Not to my knowledge. The Morhead City
Police Department has a drone system.

760
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:48,400
Actually, I think it's like a 50 or
$60,000 drone system. It's mounted on

761
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:52,079
top of their station. They do crowd
overwatch. They do whatever. They have a

762
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:56,480
crime scene
um that they deploy that as well. The

763
01:01:54,880 --> 01:02:01,040
Card County Sheriff's Office has a
couple of drones that have are in

764
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:05,040
operation for when they have a subject
barricaded or whatever, they use it for

765
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:09,119
that or whatever other needs they may
have. But yes, ma'am.

766
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:14,720
» And I'm sure you don't know this and you
can get back to me.

767
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:19,599
Based on those areas, the police and the
county having those systems, has there

768
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:24,119
ever been reports of abuse?
>> No, ma'am. Not to my knowledge.

769
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,119
» Okay.

770
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:34,480
» Can I say something else? J,
>> I apologize.

771
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:40,079
» No, you're good.
>> And I I told Rory this earlier today. I

772
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:45,200
perfectly understand how you feel about
that, Roy. I really, really do. If that

773
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:50,640
was me, I feel the same way. That's why
I work diligently and my staff has

774
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:54,880
worked diligently to put parameters up,
safeguards up to keep that from ever

775
01:02:52,799 --> 01:03:01,359
happening again.
Is is everything foolproof? It's not.

776
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,960
But we're striving to do the best we
can.

777
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:09,680
And I assure you that on my watch, it's
not going to happen.

778
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:14,319
But I just ask that the board just
consider this if we need to look at this

779
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:19,680
moving forward and educating. That's
fine. I'm all about it.

780
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:23,839
I'm all about it. And [snorts] I'll tell
you this. I've already set aside I ain't

781
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:28,640
saying anything to Frank. I might get in
trouble later,

782
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:35,280
but I've already set aside for September
the 15th for our police educating the

783
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:40,559
public as a as a educational day for the
system I just talked about.

784
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:44,319
Trying to help the people understand cuz
I understand some of them don't have the

785
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:50,160
full picture. They don't have the all
the information and that'll be a grand

786
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:52,640
opportunity for us to do so.
>> Thank you, sir.

787
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,960
» Thank you. Uh excuse my turn.
>> Yeah. Uh two things real quick. I am

788
01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:02,720
going to leave. I have to meet a family
need. Um I hear all points u all points

789
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:09,280
of view that have been verbally
expressed. Uh interested in hearing

790
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:14,559
more. I won't share now which way I lean
one way or the other. But I have a

791
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:18,960
fairly strong uh initial viewpoint. Uh
might surprise one or two people in the

792
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:25,039
room and that's okay as well. Uh if
there is a police educating the public

793
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:29,200
session on this particular matter
already in place, I think that's great.

794
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:35,839
Um
if it doesn't have to happen tonight, I

795
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:40,000
also think that's great. Uh
I look forward to hearing more

796
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:46,240
viewpoints on one side of it or the
other. Uh

797
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:53,920
it is a slippery slope one way or the
other. Uh, I've seen it go one way and

798
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:59,680
the other and uh
I'm willing to listen to all different

799
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:03,839
points of view,
left, right, up, down, in the middle,

800
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:07,760
all that kind of stuff. I can tell you
right now, I wouldn't be prepared to

801
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,640
make a decision on it tonight. I'm not
going to make a decision on it tonight.

802
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:15,599
If my absence counts as a vote one way
or the other, then I'm okay with that. I

803
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:20,240
do have somewhere I have to be. And um
if there's a an educational portion

804
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:25,039
upcoming and it doesn't have to be
tonight, I'm happy to attend that

805
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:29,760
educational portion on the 15th. I'm
happy to entertain and obviously sit in

806
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:33,920
on a public hearing in the October
meeting, which I obviously will be here

807
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:37,039
for. U
I don't feel prepared to make a call on

808
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:41,680
it one way or the other tonight. I know
which way I lean, but I'd like some more

809
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:45,440
information and I'd like to hear more
from the public on the matter. or I've

810
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:51,440
had a couple of phone calls, but a
couple doesn't constitute

811
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:55,839
enough in my opinion to make a call one
way the other regardless of which way I

812
01:05:52,960 --> 01:06:00,960
initially lean on it. So, uh, my
viewpoint is I'm happy to hear more. I'm

813
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:05,200
happy to learn more. I'd be happy at the
next meeting to make a firm call on it

814
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:09,359
one way or the other, whether my vote
changes things or not. And, um, I'm

815
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:16,240
going to leave you with that. I wish you
all the best of luck with the uh

816
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:19,599
committee uh procedures and appointments
and um wish you all have a great night.

817
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:23,155
Thank you.
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

818
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:30,400
» I know you want me to if I may please
f

819
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:35,839
» first and foremost uh Mrs. friendel,
thank you for your generosity and for

820
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:40,559
your intent with this and I'm very
grateful for you and all of your family

821
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:45,359
that uh you had a very
>> just me. It was just me.

822
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:51,440
» Okay. But the the outcome affected all
your family is my point. And I'm glad

823
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:56,799
that you are all able to to continue
that and that it didn't end that day.

824
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:03,039
» I I would have died that I left a lot
out. We were seven miles we were seven

825
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:11,359
miles out from shore in the camp loun um
danger area and we would be dead

826
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:18,319
kind of happy about the dance
part. Thank you very much.

827
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:24,559
» Absolutely. And and thank you. Um
I know that we're we're only here to to

828
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:30,880
vote on the budget amendment for this
tonight. that's what's on the agenda in

829
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:37,599
front of us. I too have re received some
calls. Um I don't know what constitutes

830
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:45,920
a lot. Um but I've received some calls
and very I' I've re received far less on

831
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:54,400
the drone use than I have that of the
LPR. And I have a very thorough

832
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:59,039
understanding of license plate readers
and the different types. I know the

833
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:03,039
difference between the flock and what
we're looking at. But I can assure you

834
01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:08,400
that regardless of what was said here
tonight, the general public does not and

835
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:14,480
they don't understand that they're
they're only buying into the national

836
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:22,560
hype, which is it's all it's all over
the news all the time. Uh just this week

837
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:28,560
I believe um New Hover County dismissed
their contract for the flock cameras

838
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:35,440
simply because of what happened with the
m misuse by law enforcement in Brunswick

839
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:40,239
County. So the the policy is great. I
applaud you for putting all the work

840
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:46,560
into it, both of you, Frank and Jeff.
Um, I think it's great, but I'm not

841
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:51,440
comfortable
and and it's below the threshold that we

842
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:57,040
would have to approve the amount quite
honestly, but

843
01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:03,440
I I would I would love to see more
consideration given to public input and

844
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:08,480
I appreciate what you're doing with the
September 15th police educating the

845
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:14,400
public, but I'd also like to that's in
the in the morning. Um, I'd also like to

846
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:20,000
see something done in the evenings and
then possibly something done on a

847
01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:28,000
Saturday so that it gives ample
opportunity for those who wish to be

848
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:32,120
educated or share their input an
opportunity. Um,

849
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:41,120
that's it.
>> All right. Well, I'd like to echo, thank

850
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:47,839
you very much for the generous um gift
and I'm

851
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:52,719
generally um skeptical of any kind of
passive surveillance. Um I worked in

852
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:58,960
support of the intelligence community
for about 35 years. I've seen things go

853
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:04,000
horribly wrong and I'm by nature
skeptical of all of that. And then I

854
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:09,440
spent some time talking to the chief
about this and the boundaries that have

855
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:14,719
been set up. And I
was not super happy with the draft of

856
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:19,199
the policies that came out when the
package came out, but having seen the

857
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:24,719
work that's been done since then and the
additional safeguards and and guard

858
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:30,239
rails and all the rest of it, um, I feel
a little bit better about it. I don't

859
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:37,679
think it's possible to leverage
technology that helps our officers and

860
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:42,560
our first responders do their job super
much more efficiently and effectively.

861
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:46,239
There's no guarantee that something
won't happen, but what you can do is

862
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:52,640
absolutely minimize that, buy down the
risk of such an occurrence while getting

863
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:57,920
all the benefits of the um technology. I
think the search and rescue use cases

864
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:02,960
really sell themselves. Um, it could
really it can absolutely, as we've seen,

865
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:07,520
save somebody's life. And if it saves
one person's life, that seems like a

866
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:14,320
really big deal to me. And that offsets
some of the small risk of a potential

867
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:20,480
incident. And I lived through what you
went through, Roy. like I I feel it, but

868
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:26,159
I also don't want to have any kind of,
you know, past bad actions taint our

869
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:34,320
ability to leverage technology as it
develops more and more year after year.

870
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:39,520
So, um I am cautiously supportive of
these two programs, but I think it's

871
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:43,360
critically important to get buy in and
education from the public. You know,

872
01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:47,280
when I woke up this part, one of the
hardest things about this job is to

873
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:52,000
remain open-minded. And when I woke up
this morning, I was a reasonably firm no

874
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:56,800
on either one of these technologies as
it would be implemented until I had the

875
01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:01,600
opportunity to have a conversation with
the folks that were actually going to be

876
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:07,040
operating it and understanding what the
guard rails are and what the real risk

877
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:11,440
profile is is not zero and everybody
needs to know that. But I think as

878
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:16,480
Alicia pointed out and others, there's a
lot of anxiety among our community

879
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:20,560
folks. What is this? Why are you going
to be watching my license? Why are you

880
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:25,040
going to be reading my license plate? I
understand if I go to a parking lot, I

881
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:29,280
consent for you to read my license
plate, but if I drive over the bridge,

882
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:34,719
why do you need to know that I drove
over the bridge? Um, those kinds of

883
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:40,000
things. And when you talk to the chief
and others about what it does it mean,

884
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:42,640
it's like we might actually know that
you went over the bridge, but nobody's

885
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,159
going to look to see that you went over
the bridge unless you got a body in the

886
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:52,400
back of your car. There's some other
reason that they're looking for you. So,

887
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:56,800
I'm a huge fan of
setting up some public engagement

888
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:02,960
discussions. I think police educating
the public is a natural uh forum for

889
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:06,960
that. Uh, I didn't think about it, but I
love the idea of morning, evening, and

890
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:11,840
weekend to make it as accessible as
possible. I'd also, frank, like to open

891
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:17,199
it up so that it's an informational
session, so as many of us as can attend

892
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:22,640
will attend to be part of the discussion
and to hear the concerns of the people

893
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:26,640
that show up to talk about it. Um, my
experience is somebody will come in and

894
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:31,360
have an idea or a concern that none of
us had thought about yet and that will

895
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:38,560
be the the best idea that came out of
this whole process. So, I'm a big fan of

896
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:44,080
engaging the public. Again, I'm not
philosophically opposed to using these

897
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:50,159
technologies to make our first
responders more efficient, effective,

898
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:56,320
faster. Um, but I think we owe it to the
town that we serve to engage them more

899
01:13:52,640 --> 01:14:04,320
before we implement it. And you, to your
point, it's very gracious the amount of

900
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:08,320
the gift. Um, but I think most important
is to maintain the public trust and I

901
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:12,480
you can't really put a price tag on
that. So, I think that's the part we

902
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:18,719
really need to get right before we
proceed with this.

903
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:29,120
I'd like to add that I please don't take
my I I'm not against this concept. Um I

904
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:34,000
I see value. However, I I I feel like
the public feels they've been a little

905
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:39,520
blindsided with with the short notice on
it and and I'd really like to see all

906
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:44,000
the information that's been shared with
us, shared with others who have voice

907
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:46,880
those opinions and just make sure that
they all have an opportunity to share

908
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,520
those thoughts.
>> Yep. Well said.

909
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:55,199
» Yeah, I agree with that. I think with
with enough time that we Mike could put

910
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:58,880
this community thing at rest with this
and uh because I I really enjoyed our

911
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:03,280
talk today with the manager and with the
chief because um and I wish I had more

912
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:06,159
time to read they updated the policy and
you know because I read the first one

913
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:11,120
and had some concerns and they addressed
it immediately and and uh I wish I had

914
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:16,719
more time to to look into it and and
because I I do uh I mean I make prayer

915
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:22,239
based decisions but I also make informed
decisions and I haven't had a chance to

916
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:26,880
fairly inform myself with this or uh and
and then to talk to my constituents

917
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:29,920
about the new changes. So, it's not
really being fair to the town either

918
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:35,679
that I haven't had a chance to talk to
them. So, uh

919
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:42,880
I hope we could postpone this or somehow
or and because it is a generous gift and

920
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:47,360
and I certainly I'm grateful for that.
>> Yeah, I I think obviously you all are um

921
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:50,480
have a common theme in your comments
tonight. So, I think the appropriate

922
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,480
thing for us to do would be to schedule
those public information, public

923
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:57,760
listening sessions u and then bring this
back to you either at your October or

924
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,880
your November meeting agenda. We'll try
to get everything set up over the next

925
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,000
few weeks. If we don't quite make it for
October, we'll bring it back to you in

926
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:08,400
November. And again, appreciate Miss
Frantel and the the generous donation um

927
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:12,080
and hopefully we put the funds to good
use for the community, for the police

928
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:16,159
department. So, unless somebody objects
to that approach, we'll absolutely

929
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:22,640
proceed in the manner suggested. I make
a motion that this item be tabled for

930
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:28,239
additional public input sessions to be
hosted by the police department and with

931
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:34,159
the opportunity that their information
sessions in order for commissioners to

932
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:40,800
attend because no action will be taken
on behalf of the boards and that it be

933
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:44,719
brought back and just to give everyone
time to schedule everything and that

934
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,120
we're not rushing it. Let's bring it
back in November, please.

935
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,920
» All those in favor?
>> I

936
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:55,159
» we will do that. Thank you.
>> Thank you.

937
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:06,360
» Yes.
>> Protocol is whatever.

938
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:06,360
» You can come up. You can come up

939
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:11,920
» regarding regarding the finances. Yes.
Because I make lots of donations. I'm

940
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:16,880
very fortunate to do that. So, I'm
always very specific. So if for whatever

941
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:21,520
reason, and I respect that, the drone
is, you know, a while, the money is

942
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,679
still to go to the police department.
>> So it's not a matter of, oh my gosh, we

943
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:31,280
have to deny the money. No, please don't
do that. So, [snorts] um,

944
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:35,600
» and I don't want to offend anybody by
saying this, but since I'm a visitor,

945
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:40,080
I'm not someone who lives here, my
understanding is the actual population

946
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:45,120
of Emerald Isle is 4,200, something like
that. And I know you were voted. I know

947
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:52,000
you respond to your constituents. I get
that. But what about the 30,000

948
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:57,840
visitors that come and might have a
problem? I understand exactly, you know,

949
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:01,280
with the issue, the personal. My son has
a drone and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, what

950
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:05,920
are you going to do with it?" But he
hasn't he ran away so he just used it to

951
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:12,640
try to find in a construction site tried
to find the dog. Um, but I get it. But

952
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:18,000
please think big picture. You're talking
for 4,200 people. You're not talking on

953
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:20,400
behalf of everybody else.
>> So that's that's one of the things I

954
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:28,080
sure say.
>> Thank you. Should we um since she just

955
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:31,520
explained to us that the donation does
not have to go towards this equipment?

956
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,280
Should we go ahead and make a motion to
receive the funds?

957
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:40,640
» Well, I think that we can receive the
funds without a motion. The motion in

958
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:45,199
front of us is to approve a budget
amendment um to purchase the budget

959
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,600
amendment. We purchase these.
>> Okay.

960
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:51,440
» Am I correct?
>> Yeah. Yeah, you're you're correct. So

961
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:56,000
essentially, in order to actually spend
the funds, there has to be a budget

962
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:58,960
appropriation and particularly given the
sensitivity with these issues, I

963
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,040
certainly don't want to spend those
funds without your consent for these

964
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,360
items.
>> Okay, got it. Just wanted to be clear.

965
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:11,840
Okay, thank you.
Okay. So, moving on to agenda item

966
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:15,440
number 14. Um, this is regarding a
resolution to amend the rules of

967
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:19,920
procedure regarding appointments to
advisory boards. Would you like to give

968
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:24,960
us a quick recap?
>> Yeah. Um, briefly, the resolution uh, if

969
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:28,480
adopted would amend rule 31 in your
rules of procedure that has to do with

970
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:31,920
appointments to advisory boards,
committees, i.e. planning board, board

971
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:37,520
of adjustment, uh, things of that
nature. Um this resolution [snorts]

972
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:41,920
uh if adopted would do three things. One
is it would eliminate the current

973
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:47,840
requirement for a roll call vote for
appointments. Uh it would replace uh

974
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:52,480
that with a process where you could use
utili you could either utilize a motion

975
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:56,400
um obviously followed by an affirmative
vote of majority of the board

976
01:19:53,760 --> 01:20:01,120
commissioners uh or a written ballot for
appointments. Practically speaking, we

977
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:06,480
would recommend the use of the uh verbal
motion and then the formal vote um for

978
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:10,719
one individual appointment. If you have
multiple vacancies and a large number of

979
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:15,199
applicants, we would recommend the use
of the written ballot as we've done in

980
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:19,280
some recent uh appointment processes. Um
and then finally, uh at at the May

981
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:23,360
special meeting, uh the board authorized
the mayor to break a tie in the case of

982
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:27,280
an appointment. There's language in the
proposed resolution that formalizes that

983
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:31,840
so that that's clear the next time
there's an issue for the planning board,

984
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:36,239
the board of adjustment, etc. would
apply to any appointment of the board.

985
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:42,560
Um, if the board approves this, uh, it
would be in place immediately upon

986
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:46,960
adoption. Um, it is something that is
not necessary. Um, the current process

987
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:52,400
with the roll call votes is certainly
legal, acceptable, is effective, works.

988
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:56,480
um at times it can become a little bit
confusing and a little bit burdensome.

989
01:20:54,560 --> 01:21:00,400
The intent behind the recommended
amendment is to make it simpler and

990
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:04,080
clearer to people. One thing that I want
to make clear to the board and to the

991
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:08,480
public is that there will always
regardless whether you change the policy

992
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:13,280
or don't change the policy, there will
always be a record of who uh a

993
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:16,800
particular individual voted for. So
whether that's a roll call vote, you'll

994
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:21,520
know that Commissioner Plum voted for so
and so and Commissioner Wooten voted for

995
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:25,360
so and so. If it's simply a motion, you
will know that Commissioner Sanderson

996
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:29,679
and Commissioner Brownlow voted for so
and so. And certainly if it's a written

997
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:34,080
ballot, your name will be on that.
That's a public record. We'll announce

998
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:37,920
the results of the uh ballot process for
making appointments going forward. So

999
01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:42,000
it's all completely transparent. Uh it's
all completely known. It's a matter of

1000
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:45,360
public record. we have to inform people
how you voted on those kinds of

1001
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:50,000
procedures. So that would not change
regardless. So the intent behind this is

1002
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:54,080
to make it simpler and easier for you
all and for the public to understand and

1003
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:58,159
follow going forward. Um at the end of
the day, it's your policy. So it is your

1004
01:21:56,639 --> 01:22:01,440
decision whether or not you think this
is the best way to go about these.

1005
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:05,520
Again, the intent is to hopefully make
it easier and smoother uh in the future.

1006
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,040
So I'm happy to answer any questions you
may have about this.

1007
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:14,080
» Thank you, Frank. Chris, would you like
to ask any questions?

1008
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:17,440
» I um I like what you've put together
here because I do feel like the roll

1009
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:23,360
call, especially when we have a lot of
appointments, gets very clunky and

1010
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:27,679
it's not clear at all what we're doing.
So, I think this simplifies the process

1011
01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:31,159
and then we all know what's happening as
well as the public.

1012
01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:41,120
Yeah, I think it would be great and I
don't recall having read this if it says

1013
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:45,360
or can it say that we p that we
either read the results of the ballot. I

1014
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:50,000
think the written ballot is a much more
efficient way to get it done a lot less

1015
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:54,480
confusing and more direct. But I also
want to be sensitive and make sure

1016
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:59,360
people know who voted for whom uh as
close to immediately after as possible.

1017
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:04,400
Um, so I think what you put together is
a great compromise as long as we make it

1018
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:08,760
easy for people to know who voted for
whom.

1019
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,760
» Absolutely.

1020
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:16,000
» Alicia, thoughts?
>> Have none.

1021
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:20,719
» Okay, Roy. Um, yeah, I I spoke with uh
Frank about it earlier today and uh the

1022
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:25,360
statute just requires that the uh
written ballot be signed uh by the board

1023
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:30,480
member that that voted and um as long as
that's uh done follow the the general

1024
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:36,560
statutes then I think it's a great idea.
>> Yeah, I think it would make the process

1025
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:41,040
a lot a lot easier for us. Um okay, can
we get a motion?

1026
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:44,080
Motion to adopt the resolution amending
rules and procedures regarding

1027
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,920
appointments to advisory board.
>> All those in favor?

1028
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:50,239
» I I
>> I

1029
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:55,840
» Okay.
All right. So, let's put this to action.

1030
01:23:52,320 --> 01:24:01,520
We have some appointments to make
um for the let's see for two additional

1031
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:08,000
individ individuals for the bicycle and
pedestrian advisory committee.

1032
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:13,280
I make a motion to appoint Ken Ambrose
and Tom Bonds to terms on the bicycle

1033
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:19,280
pedestrian advisory committee that would
expired in expire in December 2028. Both

1034
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:22,480
are current members of the bicycle and
pedestrian committee who would like to

1035
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,560
continue.
>> All those in favor?

1036
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:29,520
» I.
>> Okay. And we have one more um

1037
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:33,920
appointment to make today. Um, we need
to appoint one individual to the Emerald

1038
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:40,238
Isle Parks and Wreck Association Board
of Directors to serve on the remainder

1039
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:45,040
of an unexpired term that expires in
[clears throat] August 2027.

1040
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:51,840
I would like to make a motion to adopt
to uh nominate Walter Dwayne McDougall

1041
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:55,679
to fill the unexpired term of the on the
Emerald Isle Parks and Recreation

1042
01:24:53,600 --> 01:25:00,880
Association Incorporated Board of
Director that expired in August 2020.

1043
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,920
That expires in August 2027.
>> You said nominate. Do we have to say

1044
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:07,760
appoint? I think
>> Appoint. Make a motion to appoint.

1045
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:12,080
» Make a motion to appoint. Okay.
>> All those in favor? I I

1046
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:15,679
» Okay.
I I I did just want to add and town

1047
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,600
attorney pointed out to me that um
because Jason departed the meeting, he

1048
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:24,639
will be counted as an affirmative vote
for every decision from that moment. So

1049
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:30,000
he voted to table it with you in terms
of the police donation and therefore

1050
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:33,280
voted to uh approve the resolution
amending the rule of procedure as well

1051
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:38,639
as the appointment. So we'll record him
as an affirmative vote. Does the board

1052
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:41,920
need to vote for the excused absence or
>> he was present so it's not a complete

1053
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:45,600
absence?
>> I remember when when uh Joy had her

1054
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:47,840
stroke and I had to leave in the middle
of the meeting. I don't know if the

1055
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:52,159
board had to
>> we excused you.

1056
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:59,120
» So I I don't know if we had to do that
similar for Jason or not.

1057
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:03,840
» I I I think you certainly could have but
obviously we did not. Yeah. Um,

1058
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:06,719
» can we retry that just to make sure it's
all legal?

1059
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:10,639
» Well, I think you know I think the
practical result is the same either way.

1060
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:14,719
I just wanted to simply point out to you
how it would be recorded in the official

1061
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:19,520
votes that it so for example the
resolution will show as a 50 vote as

1062
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:22,480
opposed to a 40 vote because of what our
language is and the rules of procedure.

1063
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:26,320
So I think the practical result is that
it won't change in the future. I think

1064
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:31,199
we certainly could excuse him if you all
would like to do that.

1065
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:31,199
» Okay.

1066
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:38,520
Okay. So, now we have comments from the
town staff.

1067
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:46,000
» No, Frank,
>> you have some comments.

1068
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:51,040
» Uh, ju just a few things. Um, uh, we're
currently soliciting bids for the 2026

1069
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:54,800
street resurfacing contract. And so,
public works director Joe Smith is

1070
01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:59,280
working on securing bids for that. We
have a little under $200,000 available

1071
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:04,800
in the current year budget for that. We
think that that'll get us maybe 1.3 1.4

1072
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:08,880
miles. We're trying to structure the
package so that all the work is in a

1073
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:13,040
relatively close proximity in the hopes
of getting a better uh price tag on

1074
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:18,880
that. So, we expect to put that
recommendation on your agenda for

1075
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:24,320
October. Um, we also expect to bring you
um a resolution authorizing a grant

1076
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:27,120
application to the NC DOT for the
trolley service in the future. As I

1077
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:30,080
mentioned before, we've had some
encouraging conversations. We think

1078
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,840
we've got an excellent chance of
securing grant funding for that in the

1079
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:38,080
future. We'll also include kind of an
overall summary of the past year. I've

1080
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,760
got some wrership data in there, but we
can break it down in terms of the hours

1081
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:45,760
and so forth and maybe some potential
changes to it next year if funding is

1082
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:49,120
provided. I mean, I think the concerns
about um whether or not that's the best

1083
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:52,800
use of town funding certainly
understandable and reasonable and

1084
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:56,560
ultimately it's up to the five of you,
six of you to make that judgment as to

1085
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:02,239
where what we should spend our funds on,
but we're trying to minimize any burden

1086
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:08,719
on the town going forward. Um happy to
say that uh after probably three months

1087
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:12,800
longer than I thought, um FEMA has um
authorized construction to begin on Fire

1088
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:18,400
Station 2. We made that request back in
I think uh early May. Um so we expect to

1089
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:21,520
hopefully begin construction one day
next week. Um so hopefully we'll see

1090
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:25,600
some activity out there. The fire
department will relocate a few days

1091
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:31,679
before that to the temporary station on
24th Street. Um we also as wrapped up in

1092
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:36,400
that same transaction,
um we've got the federal government's

1093
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:40,960
blessing on providing the earlier $1.2
$2 million reimbursement um that

1094
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:46,400
initially requested probably about a
year and a half ago. We think um maybe

1095
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:49,600
up to 60 days to go through the rest of
the process with the state and we'll

1096
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,840
have those funds in hand. So that will
be a great uh boost to the town's uh

1097
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:58,560
cash balances.
Um the red pump station uh met with the

1098
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:02,480
contractor last week. I expect them to
begin work on the installation of that

1099
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:06,560
pipeline next week. So glad to see that
moving forward. Also really happy to let

1100
01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:11,120
you know that we've filled one of the
two building inspector positions um with

1101
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:16,239
a very qualified individual with
previous municipal building inspector

1102
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:20,000
experience, good customer service ethic
and commitment. So um we still have one

1103
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:24,560
more position open. If anybody knows
anyone, please tell them to apply. The

1104
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:27,679
the ad is on the town's website. Lots of
other things in here. I'm happy to

1105
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:33,239
answer questions about these things or
really anything that's on your mind uh

1106
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:33,239
with regard to the town.

1107
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:41,120
It was very comprehensive. So, I
personally don't have any questions. Um,

1108
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:44,080
who would like to begin the around the
table comments? Alicia, do you want to

1109
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:47,600
begin tonight?
>> Just thank everyone for the in-depth

1110
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:53,840
discussions that we've we've had
tonight. Again, thanks to Mrs. French

1111
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:58,800
Tell for the generosity that that she
has offered the town. And um I I

1112
01:29:56,639 --> 01:30:04,880
appreciate the dialogue among the board
to make sure that we're we're addressing

1113
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:11,040
this from every angle. I I don't believe
that there's anyone who's opposed to

1114
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:18,159
giving the police department or any
department the most beneficial tools for

1115
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:26,159
their needs. But sometimes we we've got
to address other issues as well. And

1116
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:33,040
it's a proven fact that policies are
incredible, but people who do bad things

1117
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:37,120
do bad things. It's not a policy that
does it, and it's not a piece of

1118
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:43,040
equipment that does it. It just happens.
And I'm sure none of those set out with

1119
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:46,800
that intention, but it's life. Thank
you.

1120
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:50,960
» Thank you, Jay.
>> Yes, I would agree, Alicia. And thank

1121
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:56,400
you everybody for the good conversation.
I know we'll end up in the right place

1122
01:30:53,120 --> 01:31:01,360
and um we just need to make sure we do
it thoughtfully and to come to the best

1123
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:07,040
outcome for the most people. It's
unlikely that everyone will be happy,

1124
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:10,960
but we can see how close we can get. Um
Mr. Willis, thank you for your comments

1125
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:17,440
at the beginning of the meeting. I
agree. I am a proponent of the trolley

1126
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:21,840
in concept. I think it was worth doing
for the first year to prove the concept

1127
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:24,960
that it could be done, but I don't think
it's something that the town should be

1128
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:29,520
spending our own money and certainly not
taxpayer money on. And I think that

1129
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:36,159
Frank and others have been working hard
and Chris and and some others to line up

1130
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:40,400
funding other than uh taxpayer funding
to keep it going. And my hope is that

1131
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:46,800
we'll get the benefits that you
obviously know are possible without uh

1132
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:50,719
committing tax money that's paid by
people that don't ever even look at the

1133
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:56,000
trolley, much less ride it. So, thank
you for your interest and your comments.

1134
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:59,840
Um, the only other thing I want to put a
plug in again for the Emerald Fishing

1135
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:05,199
Tournament, the captain's meeting on the
25th and the tournament on the 26th of

1136
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:09,600
September. It's always a good time. If
you get a chance, if you don't fish at

1137
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:14,800
all, come by the weigh station in the
afternoon. It probably starts at three

1138
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:20,000
as I recall. Um it's always a good time
and you get to see people. And I

1139
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:25,440
remember last year I was amazed at the
number of fish that came in. So, um come

1140
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:29,040
on out if you can and support that great
cause. It raises money for scholarships

1141
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:32,000
for local kids. go
>> in and the private visal auction

1142
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:37,199
midnight before
>> because that's a big fundraiser

1143
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:40,239
» is yes that's a great point and that's
usually really good food there too

1144
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:46,560
» yes
>> that's all from me

1145
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:50,800
» all right um I'd like to praise and and
thank our our staff our volunteers and

1146
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:57,360
and our residents for supporting our
public safety and and our recreational

1147
01:32:53,120 --> 01:33:01,199
uh department and the uh and I guess if
I take away anything from tonight. It's

1148
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:05,280
about um large commitments and and
important commitments like this just uh

1149
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:13,040
you know there's authority and
accountability that needs to be taken up

1150
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:18,000
and and then proceeding with that and um
and each month I try to recognize an

1151
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:22,239
important part of our town and uh you
know what it's admin's turn this time

1152
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:27,280
he's you guys do a great job you know
our manager our planner um even our

1153
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:30,320
legal counsel over there um uh you know
everybody Everybody in that in that

1154
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:34,960
department over there at town hall just
does a tremendous job and and we have

1155
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:39,120
the best commissioners notebooks ever
put together [laughter] and uh our

1156
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:43,120
finances are in order and everything and
and thank you Laura for all that. It's

1157
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:45,840
just uh we have a tremendous staff and I
applaud you guys for the work you do.

1158
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:50,560
Thank you.
>> Thank you Roy Chris.

1159
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:56,480
» Yeah. Um I just want to add that I don't
know if you all saw it yesterday but the

1160
01:33:52,960 --> 01:34:01,120
traffic leaving here was insane. So, we
had an incredible summer. Um, and I just

1161
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:06,400
want to thank everyone that was a part
of that, all of our staff. Um, I don't

1162
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:12,159
think there were any major incidents.
I'm not aware of any. So, we had it was

1163
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:16,480
a good summer, good tourist season. Um,
not to belabor the drone topic, the

1164
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:20,800
camera topic, but when we have these
public sessions, please tell your

1165
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:24,400
friends, please tell our citizens, they
have to come out. We don't know what

1166
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:29,600
everyone's thinking if you don't come
out. So, please spread the word so we

1167
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:32,480
can make an informed decision. Thank
you.

1168
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:35,280
» Okay. It was great meeting everybody.
Um, we learned a lot. There was great

1169
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,800
discussions. Did you have something
else?

1170
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,280
» No, I'm sorry.
>> Raising your hand. Okay. Um, I just want

1171
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:45,520
to quickly thank the town for throwing a
day for kids. Um, last weekend I

1172
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:50,000
attended with my children. I volunteered
there and there were a ton of kids that

1173
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:53,840
came out and just really enjoyed all the
free time, playtime, and actually

1174
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:59,440
spending really good quality time with
their parents. So, it was a really nice

1175
01:34:55,199 --> 01:35:03,520
event. Um, yeah, looking forward to the
fishing tournament later in September. I

1176
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:09,520
have, um, the Northakota Mayor's
Association fall meeting is, um, next

1177
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:13,840
week in Buffford, actually. So, I look
forward to going to that and I bet we'll

1178
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:18,239
be talking a lot about cameras. So, um,
it will be nice to hear other people's

1179
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:21,120
point of views. But, um, yeah. So, great
evening everybody.

1180
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:26,159
» Also, just a reminder.
>> Oh, you did mean to raise your hand.

1181
01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:33,280
» I did. I I did because you um we all
need to be reminded um that September

1182
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:37,520
11th is approaching us very quickly and
we just all need to be reminded to show

1183
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,000
our gratitude.
>> Yes. Thank you.

1184
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:44,440
» Motion to adjurnn.
>> All those in favor? I

1185
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,440
» I