[0:06] yeah welcome to the town of
[0:09] emur town meeting for the evening of
[0:12] Monday November 4th
[0:14] 2024 at this time I'd ask you to please
[0:17] silence your cell phones of any rings
[0:21] beeps online gaming you name it if it's
[0:23] going to make a noise just put on
[0:24] vibrate thank you and then at this time
[0:27] I'd like to please invite you uh to
[0:29] stand for the Pledge of
[0:35] Allegiance United States of America to
[0:38] the Republic for which it stands one
[0:41] nation God indivisible liy and justice
[0:45] for
[0:49] all quick announcement before we get
[0:52] started uh commissioner Turnquist will
[0:54] not be with us tonight um and I not sure
[0:59] if Davis is on not yet okay if he if he said he was going to try to log in if
[1:06] he does just um yeah let us know all
[1:08] right thank you so future meetings
[1:12] include a workshop meeting on November
[1:14] 18th um at 6:30 here in the town office
[1:17] and on Zoom parks and recck committee
[1:19] meeting November 19th at 7:30 here in
[1:23] the town office we have the Christmas
[1:25] tree lighting in the front of the osburg
[1:28] community building at 6:15
[1:30] coming up on I don't have a date
[1:33] December 2nd December 2nd and then of
[1:36] course after that uh Carriage House has
[1:38] F festivities that you can go uh partake
[1:41] in after that we also have a Board of
[1:43] Commissioners meeting December 3rd 2024
[1:46] at se um 7M here in the town office and
[1:50] on Zoom all right are there any other
[1:54] meetings I believe there's going to be a
[1:56] Planning Commission meeting uh November
[1:58] 25th at 7
[2:00] p.m
[2:09] okay okay so Planning Commission meeting
[2:11] thank
[2:13] you all right any other meetings I'm
[2:18] need to be announced I think I think
[2:20] we're good all
[2:22] right so moving on to approving the um
[2:26] minutes for October 7th and October 22
[2:31] um commissioner Hagen I believe you had
[2:33] a a
[2:35] request yeah I just had for two
[2:37] Corrections if you go to page nine and
[2:41] down at the bottom for agenda item five
[2:44] that was a unanimous vote
[2:48] 5
[2:50] um and next on page 11 it had me
[2:55] bringing the motion and seconding my own
[2:58] motion
[3:02] that's all that I
[3:08] had uh what item I'm sorry it's right at
[3:11] the stop on page 11 it's the very first
[3:15] paragraph oh
[3:17] gotcha yeah I brought the motion and
[3:19] stck it into yes I see that you're you split yourself in half yes so the
[3:24] only thing that I would say commissioner
[3:25] Bowman poot is I actually asked Sabrina
[3:28] to go back and listen to agenda item
[3:29] number five on the vote and commissioner
[3:33] Hagen you did not vote okay so because I
[3:36] was surprised too and I had her go back
[3:38] and listen to it so that part's correct
[3:40] and then I didn't hear what you said on
[3:42] page 11 on page 11 the very first
[3:45] paragraph it has that I made the motion
[3:47] and then I seconded my own motion oh
[3:49] yeah that won't work so who who actually
[3:52] made the motion you did okay Hoover okay
[3:55] thank
[3:56] you
[3:58] um I did have a couple of um additions
[4:02] that I wanted to send to town staff for consideration to add
[4:07] into one on each set of the meeting
[4:10] minutes so I was going to ask if we
[4:12] could table these until next time until
[4:14] I can get those I can collaborate with
[4:16] Miss Willets um on adding that section
[4:21] uh Commissioners how do you feel about
[4:25] that fine with it I F okay is there a
[4:29] motion to table the meeting minutes
[4:32] until our next meeting so Mo thank you
[4:36] is there a second I second thank you any
[4:39] further discussion all in favor please
[4:41] say I motion carries with four eyes and uh
[4:49] commissioner turnquest is
[4:52] absent
[4:54] right um then we are moving on to our
[4:58] police report
[5:03] good evening um still myself and Deputy
[5:06] barow we used six holiday days of leave
[5:12] uh during the month of
[5:14] October um there's no Staffing CH
[5:16] changes myself and Deputy bartholo both
[5:19] had inservice
[5:21] training um we both had police one
[5:24] training
[5:26] online we had no issues with the
[5:28] Halloween that was a good night I also
[5:31] just wanted to note there I didn't have
[5:33] this down here but um we are made aware
[5:36] the crosswalks are really busy after
[5:39] school which we have been patrolling
[5:43] more um no Fleet issues with our cars we
[5:48] handled 129 calls for service we had two
[5:52] arrests 16 traffic
[5:55] stops uh there was a large fight on
[5:59] South SE Avenue at 133 South seatan
[6:03] that's being handled uh I'm pretty sure
[6:05] the people that live there are
[6:07] moving so that should be clearing up
[6:11] soon uh there was another assault this
[6:14] last Saturday and charges are being
[6:16] filed for first degrade
[6:18] assault that's separate from the one at
[6:21] 133 it is okay this this the other one
[6:24] was the same people but over in the park
[6:26] I see so okay um and that is all I have
[6:30] for you oh okay um couple questions um
[6:34] as far as the traffic stops do you see
[6:38] any pattern as as far as where
[6:41] your
[6:43] um most of our traffic stops are either
[6:45] going to be on Main Street or South Sean
[6:49] or North Sean okay and it's most likely
[6:52] for Speed uhhuh
[6:57] okay yeah okay do you it can range from
[7:00] all kinds of Lights Out I see all kind
[7:03] of different I'm sure like you're
[7:05] probably pretty busy um do a lot of
[7:07] speed enforcement though yeah and do you use radar um okay all right um
[7:13] thank you any further questions I just
[7:16] have one I'm sorry um I got email of um
[7:20] why I was at church
[7:22] on Sun Sunday at 10:30 my a bike was
[7:26] stol somebody wrote a bike to church and
[7:28] it was stol the church I didn't know if
[7:30] you got that or not I what what church
[7:33] is it St J's
[7:36] okay um oh Deputy Baro might have got it
[7:39] might have been it's award I just got
[7:40] the email tonight okay if you want to
[7:43] forward that to me okay make sure we get
[7:46] it yeah I had a couple parents reach out
[7:49] um about the students in the alleyway
[7:51] down here going to seat and and saying
[7:55] that people tend to be running the stop
[7:57] signs or speeding down there we were
[7:59] made aare of that we've been doing some
[8:01] CH stops
[8:03] okay thank you thank
[8:06] you okay moving on to the town manager
[8:11] report Miss Willets good evening this is
[8:13] the town manager report for September
[8:16] I'll just highlight some areas related
[8:18] to streets uh staff painted all the
[8:20] parking meter poles on East and West
[8:21] Main Street uh they also mow trimmed and
[8:24] weat killed along Irishtown Road uh the
[8:27] area of Way Cross Court to Brookfield
[8:29] Drive repaired two manhole Lids on
[8:31] Timber Mill Run and the contractor black
[8:34] topped a water leak patch on federal
[8:36] Avenue as well as a sewer line patch
[8:39] related to Parks staff trim tree limbs
[8:41] and shrubs around the walking trail
[8:43] bridge in Eugene Meers Park they also
[8:46] washed and cleaned the picnic tables in
[8:48] both uh Park Pavilions a staff worked
[8:51] with the contractor to install the new
[8:53] electronic locking doors on both Park
[8:55] restroom buildings um they are
[8:57] operational now uh related to Wastewater
[9:00] R treated an average of
[9:03] 64165 gallons per day and consumed
[9:06] roughly
[9:28] 283,000 rain um we at the time of this
[9:32] report had a precipitation surplus of
[9:35] only .94 in and I don't believe we've re
[9:39] we received much in October either uh
[9:42] Rainbow Lake uh at the time of the
[9:44] report was um two feet or two inches
[9:48] below the spillway level at 16.4 it's
[9:50] currently as of today at 16.3 FT uh
[9:54] you'll see the well
[9:57] depths on page 20 related to water
[10:00] production and
[10:02] consumption uh we produce an average
[10:08] 284,807
[10:11] 196 which meant the amount of backwashed
[10:14] water in the month of August was
[10:18] 8.22% with 70% coming from the wells and
[10:21] 30% coming from the lake uh trash pickup
[10:24] will remain on Mondays during the month
[10:25] of
[10:27] November you'll see some of the meetings
[10:29] I had attended in
[10:31] September um one thing staff work the
[10:33] yard was dumpstered twice in it should
[10:35] read September not November uh staff and
[10:38] contractor fixed a water leak on the 8
[10:40] inch Mainline on federal Avenue uh staff
[10:43] continues to meet with the Rainbow Lake
[10:44] Dam engineer to re review drawings and
[10:47] Tow drains uh I believe we have a
[10:49] meeting with them coming up in the near
[10:51] future to review their report and their
[10:53] findings of all their
[10:55] inspections uh staff assisted with a
[10:57] water leak at Daughters of Charity
[11:00] uh we completed the leadline service
[11:02] inventory for all the town-owned
[11:04] properties uh the town received heavy
[11:06] rain in the month of September however
[11:08] the capacity at the wastewater treatment
[11:10] plant is doing very well we did not have
[11:12] any overflows and temporary bypass at
[11:15] the pump station uh is performing well
[11:18] uh the town received nine additional SM
[11:20] smartman hole covers and our contractors
[11:24] is finishing the backwash project at the
[11:26] water plant and that's my report
[11:30] um thank
[11:31] you questions regarding the town manager
[11:37] report um just a a quick little tiny one
[11:41] with the locking doors that were
[11:42] installed and now are operational I know
[11:44] you mentioned this before at a previous
[11:47] meeting and I forgot do we know the
[11:49] times that it's open or what it's
[11:51] programmed to so right now it's program
[11:53] from 800 a to 9 is 8 8 8 to 8 okay um in
[12:01] the winter once we winterize all the
[12:03] bathrooms it'll go back to 8 to 7 PM the
[12:08] time change and then is that correct
[12:11] Jess yes okay and then in the summer
[12:13] they'll go to about 9:30 in the
[12:17] evening okay all right thank
[12:21] you that's
[12:23] exciting right any other questions
[12:26] comments no okay we are moving
[12:29] on um next is the grant ad administrator
[12:34] report M
[12:36] Shaw um good evening this is the grants
[12:39] administrator report as of October 29th
[12:42] on page 22 in the packet I currently
[12:46] have 16 active grants five grants
[12:48] waiting for an award or denial and then
[12:50] three Grant applications upcoming or
[12:52] that I'm waiting kind of to open um a
[12:55] few project highlights uh for the
[12:58] bathroom concession stand project the
[13:00] prefabricated bathroom building is
[13:01] scheduled to be delivered the week of
[13:03] November 18th the site is ready for the
[13:06] building aside from patomic Edison
[13:07] installing the Transformer the water
[13:10] clarifier project on the contractor cono
[13:12] is currently working clearing the site
[13:15] for the Rainbow Lake parking lot
[13:16] construction the site has been staked
[13:18] and we are waiting for the contractor to
[13:20] Begin work any day now when I spoke with
[13:22] the contractor last week they were
[13:23] waiting to do a preconstruction meeting
[13:25] with Frederick County to finalize the
[13:26] grading permit and then they're going to
[13:27] break ground hopefully this this week um
[13:30] for the replacement of the depal street
[13:32] water line an update will be provided
[13:34] during agenda item number one tonight
[13:36] for the welcome to Emmitsburg signs the
[13:39] contractor is waiting on State Highway
[13:41] to approve the sign design in issue a
[13:44] community Gateway sign permit that which
[13:47] was submitted last week the application
[13:48] was um once the permit is issued it will
[13:51] take approximately 10 weeks for
[13:53] fabrication
[13:54] installation for the crary road Pump
[13:56] Station the pre-fabricated building has
[13:58] been installed and the project is
[14:00] expected to be completed by February
[14:02] 14th and then the Red Trail rebuild in
[14:05] the Watershed the contractor has
[14:07] completed approximately 40% of the
[14:08] project and is planning to take a break
[14:10] during the rifle hunting season due to
[14:13] hunting be being allowed in the
[14:14] Watershed the contractor will resume
[14:17] after the holidays and construction will
[14:18] be completed by April 1st and then my
[14:21] meetings I attended in October listed
[14:24] are there any
[14:25] questions oh um I do have a question but
[14:29] I'd like to ask uh the other
[14:31] Commissioners first if you have any
[14:34] questions um I saw that the meeting
[14:37] about the electric vehicle Institute
[14:39] possibility of adding level three
[14:40] Chargers behind the town office I just
[14:42] wanted to know what that was sure um
[14:45] there was a grant due this week with
[14:47] sustainable Maryland and one of the
[14:49] possibilities we were looking at or one
[14:51] of the projects was putting level three
[14:53] fast charging stations um in town but
[14:56] with I had so I had like an initial
[14:59] consultation call with evi who installed
[15:01] what we currently have back there to see
[15:02] if it was possible how much it would
[15:04] cost things like that um and so that was
[15:07] that what that meeting was about so that
[15:09] would be in addition to what we already
[15:10] have it would but um after having my our
[15:14] meeting and talking with um Kathy and
[15:16] the mayor we decided not to pursue it
[15:18] because it's pretty expensive it' be we
[15:20] would it would be a huge shortfall on
[15:22] funding understood yeah thank you thank
[15:24] you very much I know that this is a lot
[15:26] of grants that you're juggling at one
[15:28] time and you're bringing a lot of money
[15:30] to the town so I want to thank you for
[15:31] all your hard work and time so it's
[15:34] always a pleasure to see
[15:37] you all right thank you
[15:41] thanks um uh moving on to town operation
[15:44] specialist
[15:46] report I have her report if anybody has
[15:49] any questions on it or wants me just to
[15:51] highlight real
[15:54] quick I um I'm sorry go ahead so she did
[15:57] the drawing today for the breast cancer
[15:59] awareness month I
[16:01] believe pretty much everybody came in
[16:03] and picked up uh their winnings from the
[16:05] Raffles she's still working on the tally
[16:08] to find out how much um the town
[16:10] actually raised uh the turkey trap
[16:12] registration is open uh We've shared
[16:16] some flyers all over the place and um
[16:19] former commissioner Donald has offered
[16:20] if we do some flyers he'll take them
[16:22] around to all the
[16:23] libraries um so that seems to be going
[16:26] very well the we are currently working
[16:30] on the emergency preparedness plan
[16:32] emergency action plan um it's just more
[16:36] updates and then the board will have to
[16:38] formally um it has to be approved or
[16:41] adopted by the board every five years so
[16:44] we're looking to bring that to the board
[16:45] after the first of the year after the
[16:46] holidays okay um she has a meeting with
[16:50] the mayor on November 13th for the
[16:52] churches and nonprofits to discuss
[16:54] weekly hot meals to go in a community
[16:56] events calendar uh she along with the
[17:00] town planner attended the mar Maryland
[17:02] Main Street conference on October
[17:05] 8th and she is working through some FEMA
[17:08] courses on emergency
[17:11] preparedness perfect thank you um I do
[17:16] know she's dressing up as a turkey for
[17:17] the turkey TR correct that is correct
[17:20] she dressed it up dressed up as a turkey
[17:21] for Halloween and here as well if anyone
[17:23] didn't see the pictures she's breaking
[17:25] in those feathers I know if there's any
[17:27] volunteer who wants to dress up as the
[17:29] pilgrim and chase her around she thinks
[17:31] that will add to the festive fund so
[17:34] just putting that out there all right
[17:36] the meeting on the 13th to 7
[17:40] o'clock yes or the non no 6 63030 6:30
[17:45] on November
[17:47] 13th thank you for clarification any
[17:50] other
[17:52] questions okay thank you moving
[17:55] on um
[18:00] looking for the town planners
[18:05] report good evening this is the town
[18:07] planners report um of during the month
[18:10] of
[18:11] September sorry it should be October
[18:15] um we processed eight um zoning permit
[18:20] applications uh related to development
[18:22] updates fedal Stone uh is under
[18:24] construction and has made significant
[18:26] progress their warehouse and um office
[18:31] building
[18:32] they're they've made significant
[18:35] progress on on those um I know they're
[18:38] awaiting some uh framing ceiling and
[18:40] building installation inspections and um
[18:43] we provided them information regarding
[18:45] their
[18:46] signage uh let's skip down to the Mount
[18:49] St Mary University um School of Health
[18:52] Professions there uh well the project is
[18:55] complete and we're awaiting as as buils
[18:58] light inspection
[18:59] were uh today it was actually this um
[19:02] today at 4:30 and um we should be
[19:06] getting that report
[19:07] soon um for emmittsburg Distillery we
[19:11] provided uh a bunch of more comments to
[19:14] the developer and the applicant has yet
[19:17] to finish addressing the County's
[19:20] comments um I'll skip on to EMT Ridge um
[19:25] the developer has been provided with the
[19:27] apfo application and that's and H
[19:30] information and that's something they're
[19:31] working on and they've also we had a
[19:35] short discussion regarding um the
[19:37] requirements uh for Irishtown Road and
[19:41] uh we did do some extensive research to
[19:44] see what was required by the town before
[19:47] as a condition condition of approval uh
[19:50] back in
[19:51] 1995 but that doesn't apply anymore yeah
[19:56] and then for uh North new Green Street
[19:59] project uh the plants have been uh
[20:02] they're still under review uh we got
[20:05] some comments back from the engineer and
[20:08] uh we actually presented the project at
[20:10] the hazard mitigation and climate adapt
[20:12] adaptation plan annual stakeholder
[20:15] meeting and um people seem to really
[20:18] like it some people also asked for
[20:20] copies of the concept
[20:22] plan um another one I want to mention is
[20:25] the solar panels on Daughters of Chari
[20:27] property the property is technically
[20:29] outside of town limits but the
[20:31] interconnection point is within Town
[20:33] limits so they do need a zoning permit
[20:36] and that was issued
[20:38] um last week or the week
[20:42] before um for how skip down to storm
[20:46] water management the ms4 annual report
[20:50] was submitted on October
[20:52] 29th and um another one I want to
[20:56] mention is that the storm order utility
[20:58] fee we have a formal process for those
[21:01] who think their fee should be adjusted
[21:05] so we received one one adjustment
[21:07] application and that's been processed um
[21:10] basically the fee doesn't apply to
[21:12] properties that are outside of town
[21:14] limits so we made that uh made that
[21:18] correction and so oh great thank you um
[21:23] Planning Commission I'll leave that for
[21:25] um commissioner Hoover and the
[21:27] comprehensive plan uh I'll be presenting
[21:30] that
[21:30] tonight and um for Grants at the iig
[21:35] adnr uh Grant the progress report was
[21:38] submitted last month along with another
[21:41] invoice and um we coordinated with glow
[21:46] fiber regarding their uh permitting
[21:48] requirements for street closure closure
[21:51] and I have a um listed the uh meetings
[21:57] that I've attended during the month of
[22:00] October thank you very much um questions
[22:04] commissioner Hagen I noticed in the
[22:06] meetings you met with range rain escapes
[22:09] any chance we can lure them out of
[22:10] Gettysburg to
[22:12] Emmitsburg we're we're working on that
[22:17] yeah any other
[22:20] questions I just have one quick one um
[22:24] regarding Village Liquor Plaza in is
[22:27] that still happening or I thought it
[22:31] wasn't happening and now yeah we thought
[22:34] it was happening but we since they
[22:37] renewed their grading
[22:39] permit I believe they have plans to do
[22:42] this in the future but they may not have
[22:45] the capital to move forward at this time
[22:47] understood okay thank you for the
[22:50] clarification any other
[22:52] questions okay we are moving on to um
[22:58] commissioner comments uh we'll start
[23:00] with commissioner Hagen um last Saturday
[23:03] I had the pleasure of attending the
[23:05] seeden center 55th anniversary gala
[23:08] event so they're switching over to lay
[23:11] management to the organization and
[23:13] they've laid out some pretty hopeful
[23:16] plans for the coming year such as
[23:18] daycare centers an additional food bank
[23:20] and they'll present more at the meeting
[23:22] on the 13th here but they have some PR
[23:25] broad goals that I think that will be
[23:27] helpful to the community
[23:29] and just wanted to remind tomorrow is
[23:31] election day if you have not voted get
[23:34] out and vote it doesn't matter who you
[23:36] support or if you're going to vote the
[23:38] entire ballot what's important is you
[23:40] get out there and
[23:42] vote thank you commissioner Sweeney I
[23:45] agree make sure you come out and vote
[23:47] tomorrow
[23:51] uh I'd like to thank everybody for
[23:54] Halloween the um everything went really
[23:56] well for the Halloween celebration we
[23:58] had on the town with all the with all
[24:00] the organizations helping the town the
[24:03] fire company the VFW the legion the
[24:06] Knights of Columbus the Lions Club the police department uh everyone worked
[24:13] together and we had a good event and it
[24:14] was really it was really busy this year
[24:17] it's our best year we've had for a while
[24:19] and the weather helped too so was nice
[24:23] so thanks for everybody for their help
[24:25] and and the next Community town
[24:29] party will be
[24:30] Christmas December the 14th Saturday
[24:33] from 10: to 1 at the activities building
[24:37] and at the um at the fire companies
[24:40] activities building on Queeny Road from
[24:42] 10: to one and that's a town Christmas
[24:45] party with s Mr Mrs Santa Claus and the
[24:50] food and activities for them to do he
[24:53] thank you thank you um commissioner
[24:56] Hoover
[24:58] uh we did have the uh plan and Zoning
[25:00] meeting on October 28th it was very
[25:03] brief short meeting but we did talk a
[25:05] little bit about the mun Municipal
[25:07] growth section for the future boundaries
[25:10] possibilities and transportation section
[25:12] um just more of a brief overview um very
[25:15] briefly never real um questions comments
[25:19] to were discussed there everybody seem
[25:22] to be happy with what we have going on
[25:23] what town planner has done she's doing a
[25:24] good job and um our meeting lasted about
[25:27] 17 minutes so not a whole lot to discuss
[25:29] of
[25:30] it but so and uh for the future meeting
[25:34] in December 3rd I think it is um I may not be in
[25:41] attendance that's it December 3D it's
[25:44] not a town meeting oh that's the Oh you
[25:47] mean the Board of Commissioners meeting
[25:49] yes
[25:50] okay yeah all right thank you um as far
[25:54] as my comments go I want to Echo what
[25:57] commissioner Sweeney said as far as
[25:59] thank you to all Town staff and all the
[26:01] different organizations that help make
[26:03] Halloween a success for our kids and
[26:05] adults and everyone who wanted to
[26:07] partake in the
[26:08] festivities um also actually I should
[26:11] have asked this it looks like we have a
[26:14] business urg mini mark That's now where
[26:17] the Valero used to be I didn't even I'm
[26:19] sorry I didn't ask about that um right
[26:22] um well it's outside of town limits oh
[26:24] that's yeah but there is yeah there
[26:27] iburg
[26:29] and they're open y yes um right there as
[26:32] you come into town thank you sorry about
[26:35] that um and then
[26:37] also um we I believe we have several
[26:42] vacancies for parks and recre and
[26:44] citizens advisory committee meetings so
[26:48] a lot of that depends on public support
[26:52] resident support volunteers who are
[26:55] hoping to make a difference and want
[26:57] their voices heard so if you are
[26:59] interested we do have we do have spots
[27:02] available um how would they uh go about
[27:05] doing that do they email the town
[27:08] directly they can email um Sabrina or
[27:11] anybody at the town and then we
[27:14] typically send that over to the mayor
[27:16] and whoever the committee liaison is and
[27:19] they should reach out and if it then
[27:21] it's a if it's a match then it'll come
[27:23] to the board for approval okay perfect
[27:26] and then um
[27:28] and just a a small reminder to uh all of
[27:32] us around town we do have people stop us
[27:35] along the way and tell us what they
[27:37] think and have opinions and concerns and
[27:39] we want you to bring your voices forth
[27:42] so please for not so much talking to
[27:45] people here in the seats but people out
[27:48] there if um please come to the town
[27:51] meetings speak at public comment email
[27:54] the Town Council we want to hear your
[27:57] feedback in way that
[28:00] is that we can use and collaborate here
[28:04] at not only up here for Town Council but
[28:06] also with our residents so um please
[28:09] spread the word and that's all I have um
[28:13] I believe we have mayor Davis on the
[28:15] line if he has any mayor
[28:19] comments hi good evening can you hear me
[28:22] yes okay um I really don't have anything
[28:25] it's just been a real busy uh busy month
[28:28] and uh you all have touched them on just
[28:31] about everything so uh that's all I got
[28:33] and we can keep on
[28:35] going thank
[28:39] you okay and with that we're moving on
[28:43] to administrative
[28:45] business uh for consideration free
[28:48] holiday metered parking with all
[28:49] proceeds being donated to the emsur food
[28:54] bank we don't have to vote on this
[28:56] correct it's administr we do public
[28:59] comment did I skip that oh my gosh I was
[29:03] so excited about free holiday parking
[29:05] I'm sorry I'll backtrack public comment
[29:08] we have two for public comment when your
[29:10] name is called you can come up to the
[29:12] microphone press the button so it turns
[29:14] red and you have four minutes to speak
[29:16] and you can watch the timer in front to
[29:19] see how much time you have left uh first
[29:22] up we have Mr Jack Weller
[29:32] hello um I don't know if anybody read
[29:35] the paper but I'm gonna stop you just
[29:36] for a minute can you state your name and
[29:38] whether you live in or outside Town
[29:40] limits I live my name's Jack Weller I
[29:42] live outside the town limits perfect I'm
[29:44] not I'm not a town resident um on the
[29:47] November 2024 uh toen Banner the the
[29:51] headline there on the one page was mburg
[29:54] goes dry and they were talking about 50
[29:55] years ago in 1974 when the lake
[29:58] was down evidently 5 feet which I
[30:02] thought wasn't that much further down
[30:05] than what it was last year which I'm
[30:06] pretty sure was three and a half feet
[30:09] and but anyway um I was just uh amazed
[30:12] at the D thing they had to pump water
[30:15] from another lake or another Reservoir
[30:18] into it to to get it up to Snuff and
[30:20] then of course the mount was asked to
[30:23] extend their uh Thanksgiving break so
[30:27] that they use less
[30:29] and but anyway I was just I just
[30:31] couldn't believe that the D thing was
[30:32] down that far that's all that was the
[30:34] first thing and the second thing was
[30:37] mayor Davis uh made a comment I think it
[30:39] was just last uh last meeting that he
[30:42] would there was a a town uh a building
[30:45] in town that he would like to condemn
[30:47] but he he said he couldn't do it and so
[30:50] I was wondering why he doesn't get any
[30:53] support for this uh that's all because
[30:56] that's what he said there's no there's
[30:58] no support for it and of course he's not
[31:02] here he hears you though oh yeah and my
[31:06] third thing and last was that I agree
[31:09] with the colum writer who uh also and I
[31:12] think that was in the other paper the uh
[31:14] urg osburg free paper about the apathy
[31:19] and the fact that uh if you talk to the people on the Town Council they
[31:23] listen to you I agree with that 100% And I and you're I just wanted to also
[31:29] make a mention that the guy the man's uh
[31:32] writing is pretty good I think and I do
[31:34] reading okay that's all thank you very
[31:39] much um next up we have Mr Eric
[31:51] Sloan Eric Sloan I live here in
[31:54] town uh this is in in references how
[31:59] much of a mess is the next increment for
[32:02] the water bill going to make because I
[32:04] hear from various people that it doesn't
[32:06] matter and I hear from other people that
[32:08] they you know they're running a ride
[32:09] being able to buy food pay their rent
[32:11] because the price of everything has gone
[32:13] up and it is just a a standard of
[32:16] business you know it costs more to get
[32:18] it out of the ground it costs more to
[32:20] get it to the people so the prices are
[32:22] going to go up and in the future you
[32:25] know one or two% increase
[32:28] every year would be a whole lot better
[32:29] than having the villagers with
[32:31] pitchforks and torches as the old movies
[32:33] that have
[32:34] it and as far as the looking forward
[32:38] into the next couple years for you know
[32:40] our Dream list of things to
[32:42] do uh a more serious view of what it's
[32:45] going to take to maintain the failing
[32:47] infrastructure of the
[32:49] town because it's you know the sewer
[32:52] line that runs
[32:55] from where I live down to the pump
[32:57] station was put in during the Civilian
[32:59] Conservation Corps it's 4 foot long clay
[33:02] and slip and it's not going to take a
[33:04] whole lot longer before it needs to be
[33:07] replaced and that's probably one of the
[33:08] newer
[33:10] sections uh you know it's it's we're
[33:14] going to end up looking like tny town
[33:15] did for a couple years with everything
[33:17] all dug the heck up and it's just going
[33:20] to be something to live with you you
[33:22] can't live in a town and not deal with
[33:25] it and the last bit is uh does the mount have
[33:32] any way to monitor their first year
[33:34] students that are living in town because
[33:38] there was a batch of them came down
[33:40] Lincoln down creary went over to the
[33:43] Dollar General left there sat down the
[33:46] ice cream shop when they left the ice
[33:48] cream shop they were throwing all kinds
[33:49] of stuff at my fence and screaming at my
[33:51] dogs and when I reminded to him that uh
[33:53] animal cruelty in the state is a fell in
[33:55] the offense with a bunch of f words and
[33:58] F bombs and they took off back wherever
[34:00] they came from
[34:02] now somebody needs to hold their hand
[34:05] because their parents can't do it
[34:06] anymore and if it ends up being the
[34:09] sheriff system for them throwing debris
[34:11] and stuff I don't think they're parents
[34:13] are gonna be all too fired having When
[34:15] Johnny Comes home because Mount threw
[34:18] him out because he's facing criminal
[34:19] charges for animal abuse so you know to
[34:23] get with the mount or whatever and say
[34:25] take care of this and keep it out of the whole juror system and keep it quiet
[34:30] and safe would be
[34:32] good that's all thank
[34:35] you um and I do think uh mayor Davis is working collaborative with
[34:41] collaboratively with Mount St Mary's to
[34:44] address some of those issues as well as
[34:47] um trying to create more of
[34:49] a positive relationship and um he's he's
[34:53] spent with them several times and we'll
[34:54] make sure to he probably hears us to uh
[34:58] pass that along thank
[35:01] you all right
[35:04] now that concludes public
[35:12] comments so now we can move on to
[35:14] administrative business for
[35:15] consideration free holiday metered
[35:18] parking with all proceeds being donated
[35:20] to the Emmitsburg Food
[35:23] Bank
[35:25] um so so is there a
[35:29] seconded thank you any further well
[35:32] there's no discussion administrative all
[35:34] in favor please say I I motion carries uh five or I'm sorry
[35:43] four with one
[35:45] absent all right moving on to consent
[35:48] agenda item number
[35:51] one for consideration approv approval of
[35:55] the Proclamation for MML municipal
[35:57] government works month
[36:01] so before
[36:03] we we approve that I will go ahead and
[36:06] read the
[36:07] proclamation which states Proclamation
[36:10] municipal government works month
[36:12] November 2024 the mayor and the Board of
[36:14] Commissioners of the town of Emmitsburg
[36:16] proclaimed November 2024 to be municipal
[36:19] government works month whereas the town
[36:22] was established in 1785 and whereas
[36:25] Maryland is home to 150 other
[36:28] municipalities and whereas municipal
[36:31] government represents the most
[36:32] responsive level of government allowing
[36:35] citizens to have direct access to
[36:37] elected officials and whereas in an
[36:40] effort to educate citizens about
[36:41] municipal government and the importance
[36:43] of their participation the town of emsur
[36:46] is proud to promote municipal government
[36:49] awareness and whereas municipalities
[36:52] have enhanced the quality of life for
[36:54] their respective residents maintaining
[36:56] natural and historic sites and
[36:58] structures and helping to make Maryland
[37:00] a great place to live work play and
[37:02] explore now therefore be it proclaimed
[37:05] that the mayor and the Board of
[37:07] Commissioners of the town of Emmitsburg
[37:09] Maryland here uh do hereby join the
[37:12] Maryland Municipal league in declaring
[37:14] November 2024 to be municipal government
[37:17] works month in emmittsburg which would
[37:20] be adopted today November 4th
[37:24] 2024 um all in favor please say oh I'm
[37:27] sorry is there a mo motion
[37:31] to accept the
[37:33] proclamation thank you is there a second
[37:36] I
[37:37] second um all in favor please say I I I motion carries with four to one
[37:47] abstain or one who is
[37:49] absent the next two for our consent
[37:52] agenda we can take together if that if
[37:56] that works for the Commissioners which
[37:58] is for consideration accept the
[38:01] resignation of Wayne Slaughter and Sandy
[38:03] Slaughter from the citizens advisory
[38:05] committee and for consideration appoint
[38:08] Wendy Hagen to the Parks and Recreation
[38:10] committee with a term of November 4th
[38:13] 20124 to November 4th
[38:18] 2026 um are are you okay with taking
[38:22] both of those together yes yes okay is
[38:26] there a motion you have to abstain
[38:28] commissioner hegen needs to abstain
[38:30] thank you so you need take so we'll have
[38:32] to take him separately all right
[38:34] so is there a motion to accept the
[38:37] resignation of Wayne Slaughter and Sandy
[38:39] Slaughter from the citizens advisory
[38:42] committee I'll make the motion thank you
[38:45] is there a second second thank you um
[38:49] all in favor please say I I motion carries for with one absent and
[38:57] the next one for consideration appoint
[38:59] Wendy Hagen to the Parks and Recreation
[39:01] committee with a term of November 4th
[39:04] 2024 to November 4th
[39:07] 2026 is
[39:09] there a motion move thank you is there a
[39:13] second second thank you all in favor
[39:16] please say I I motion carries with um three eyes one
[39:23] abstain and one absent
[39:29] all right moving
[39:31] on to the treasurers
[39:38] report do you
[39:40] um want to do a brief overie I can um so
[39:44] the cash activity report as of October
[39:46] 25th
[39:48] 2024 um you'll see the cash balance on
[39:51] the first was 8 mil about 8.6 million we
[39:54] had deposits uh a little over 00,000 and
[39:58] withdrawals um of roughly
[40:01] 800,000 uh the operating balance forward
[40:04] was 8.5 million uh you'll see the top 10
[40:09] checks that were issued in the month of
[40:12] October uh and then you'll have the fund
[40:15] breakdown for um as of 1025 of 24
[40:21] general fund with roughly two million
[40:24] capital projects roughly 600,000
[40:27] storm water management um and that's
[40:29] because we have not received any fees
[40:31] yet because the bills are still coming
[40:33] in is a netive
[40:34] 4,000 uh the water is at a negative
[40:37] 88,000 arpa has roughly 2.5 million and
[40:42] Sewer has roughly 3.3
[40:46] million okay any
[40:50] questions okay hearing none we are
[40:52] moving on thank you Miss
[40:55] Willets um
[40:59] I believe we've already hit the Planning
[41:01] Commission report with your comments so
[41:04] we can move on from
[41:07] that and uh moving on to agenda item
[41:10] number one Community Development block
[41:13] grant public hearing to provide
[41:14] information on the progress on the depal
[41:17] street waterline
[41:18] replacement project
[41:21] so
[41:24] um we need a motion to
[41:29] go into the hearing to go into the
[41:31] hearing I move is there a second second
[41:34] it thank you um any further discussion
[41:39] all in favor please say I I motion carries 4 to one
[41:48] absent okay so we have
[41:51] [Music]
[41:56] um uh a public hearing to discuss the
[41:58] town of
[41:59] Emmitsburg State fiscal year 2024
[42:02] Community Development block grant
[42:04] project and it is starting as of right
[42:07] now
[42:09] um I always start with has the hearing
[42:12] and properly
[42:14] advertised yes thank
[42:17] you um is there anyone who intends to
[42:22] provide testimony during this public
[42:25] hearing if if so
[42:28] are I mean would they normally sign up
[42:30] on public comment for that is there
[42:32] anybody here for public comment
[42:33] regarding the
[42:35] hearing okay was that a yes no okay all
[42:41] right so we don't have to have anybody
[42:43] do the
[42:44] oath all right so we're going to take it
[42:47] over to the staff to do a brief uh
[42:50] presentation all right thank
[42:53] you um and the map is on the screen of
[42:57] project location on depal street so the
[43:00] um this public hearing was advertised in
[43:03] English and Spanish as required by the
[43:05] Grant in the Frederick News Post on
[43:07] October 21st the hearing was also
[43:09] advertised on the town website channel
[43:12] 99 and the November email newsletter it
[43:15] was posted at the front window of the
[43:17] town office and it was posted on
[43:19] Facebook in in English and Spanish on
[43:21] October 18th um the Community
[43:23] Development block grant recipients are
[43:25] required to conduct two public hearings
[43:28] one before the application is submitted
[43:30] which be held on June 5th 2023 and one
[43:33] during the imple implementation of the
[43:35] grant which we are holding tonight we
[43:37] are required to provide the public
[43:38] information on the progress of Grant
[43:40] fund the grant funded project and also
[43:43] give the public an opportunity to
[43:44] provide
[43:45] comment the town was awarded a
[43:48] $552,500 $500 Community Development
[43:51] block grant to fund a portion of the
[43:53] depal street water line replacement
[43:55] project the total project cost is
[43:59] 1,243
[44:01] 1088 funding for the project is being
[44:04] provided by the Community Development
[44:05] block grant from the state a fiscal year
[44:08] 24 capital budget Grant from mde
[44:11] American Rescue plan moneys and then
[44:14] there's a $10,000 in kind Town
[44:16] contribution when the project is
[44:18] completed approximately
[44:20] 2,340 ft of 8 in ductile iron waterline
[44:23] will be replaced the town awarded the
[44:26] construction contract to huntsbury
[44:28] Brothers Inc on April 1st 2024 notice to
[44:32] proceed was issued July 22nd and
[44:33] construction began in on August 16th to
[44:37] date the contractor has completed the
[44:39] water wi replacement between North
[44:41] seedan Avenue to St Joseph's Lane on
[44:43] depal Street the contractor is currently
[44:46] working on the St Joseph's Lane to
[44:47] Federal Avenue portion
[44:50] $271,400 has been paid to the
[44:54] contractor to date no issues have
[44:56] occurred heard one complaint has been
[44:58] received and that was about parking for
[45:01] the project the project is within budget
[45:04] and the project is on schedule and
[45:05] expected to be completed by April 15
[45:08] 2025 any complaints and grievances
[45:11] related to this project may be submitted
[45:13] at any time to myself I can be contacted
[45:16] by phone at
[45:18] 24741 2137 or by email at
[45:23] MW Emmitsburg md.gov or you can also
[45:27] contact me by visiting the town office
[45:29] located here at 300a South ceden
[45:33] Avenue and that is the end of my
[45:37] presentation thank
[45:39] you okay um are there any questions for
[45:43] the staff from board members
[45:44] commissioner Hagen yeah I get had some
[45:47] questions from the residents when it the
[45:48] construction gets to the end of depal
[45:50] Street there were saying how are they
[45:52] going to get out and parking down there
[45:54] is there a plan for that or we don't
[45:56] know yet
[45:59] they've typically kept at least one lane
[46:01] open for for traffic um and if I recall
[46:04] correctly um there should be parking
[46:06] allowed on one side of the road uh but
[46:09] we certainly we have a progress meeting
[46:11] coming up in two weeks we can certainly
[46:15] ask that question and get more
[46:19] information okay commissioner Sweeny um
[46:22] they'll they'll be working through the
[46:25] winter no they're they're plan is to
[46:27] stop temporarily because of the
[46:29] temporary water line and concerns of
[46:31] freezing I know that when we we weren't
[46:33] allowed to have a p November 1st so I
[46:35] didn't because of
[46:39] freezing that's all I need
[46:41] okay you're good okay um I already asked
[46:46] but it seems like are there there's no
[46:49] public comment regarding this
[46:52] hearing all
[46:55] right if that that's the case if no one
[46:57] else has anything more to present public
[47:00] comment is now
[47:02] closed and that we can deliberate
[47:07] but are we good I'm
[47:10] good all right so
[47:16] then we need a motion to end the public
[47:20] do I mean yeah we'll just need a motion
[47:22] to end the public hearing I'll make a
[47:24] motion to end the public hearing thank
[47:25] you commissioner Hagen is there a second thank you commissioner Hoover all
[47:31] in favor please say I I I motion carries
[47:36] 4 to one
[47:39] absent thank
[47:41] you and moving on
[47:48] to uh so we do have number two that said
[47:51] consideration approval of bid for the
[47:53] town of imburg sewer line camera project
[47:55] which has been postponed just want to um
[47:59] make that announcement so we're moving
[48:00] on to presentation of the town of emur
[48:03] comprehensive
[48:18] plan
[48:20] start so this is the presentation on the
[48:23] current version of the 2025
[48:25] comprehensive plan which is a document
[48:27] to guide the community's um future
[48:31] development um so to give you some
[48:33] background um jurisdictions are required
[48:37] to adopt comprehensive plans under the
[48:39] Maryland land use article in the
[48:42] Maryland code of
[48:43] regulations in 2013 um if you could go
[48:47] to the next slide um the Maryland
[48:49] general assembly passed a bill to
[48:51] require a 10-year review cycle so
[48:54] basically every 10 years a town has to
[48:57] um assess what needs to be updated and
[49:00] adopt an updated plan It's usually the
[49:02] Planning Commission who's in charge of
[49:04] assessing what needs to be
[49:06] updated um and then
[49:09] it's um a resolution is um adopted by
[49:12] the Board of Commissioners but we can
[49:14] get into that later um so the
[49:16] requirement is to be six years but now
[49:18] it's 10 years um and the last
[49:21] comprehensive plan was adopted in
[49:23] November of 2015 so we're nearing the
[49:26] 10-e mark Mark since it's almost
[49:28] 2025 um so the purpose of this update is
[49:31] to ensure that plans align with current
[49:33] legislations and policies and Community
[49:37] needs obviously the population and
[49:39] demographics have um evolved since 2015
[49:43] so the updated plan will allow the town
[49:45] to respond to new housing infrastructure
[49:47] and community service
[49:49] needs um the economy has changed over
[49:52] the past decade as well environmental
[49:54] conditions have changed and so on so
[49:57] that's why the plan needs to be
[50:00] updated so I'll I'll jump right into the
[50:04] current draft uh which includes the oh
[50:07] next slide um updated information about
[50:10] the town so this involves various
[50:13] aspects of population housing economy
[50:16] environment natural resources land use
[50:19] and um transportation and Community
[50:22] facilities and it integrates the three
[50:25] pillars of syst stainability and we've
[50:28] been able to gather a lot of public
[50:30] input through workshops and
[50:32] surveys it incorporate smart growth
[50:36] elements to create vibrant communities
[50:38] preserve natural resources and reduce
[50:41] fra um the plan also introduces a new
[50:45] growth boundary and growth opportunity
[50:47] areas which I'll explain a bit
[50:50] later so um I know the next slide has um
[50:55] a list of different es between the old
[50:57] and the new plans but I can quickly
[51:00] summarize
[51:01] um all each one of them so the first
[51:05] main difference is that the older plan
[51:08] while it's
[51:10] um emphasizes structured land use
[51:13] Transportation environmental resource
[51:15] preservation but um Community engagement
[51:18] is a little less extensive the new plan
[51:21] intends to put more emphasis on
[51:23] community-driven goals public input has
[51:26] been uh gathered through multiple
[51:28] workshops and surveys that reflect the
[51:31] town's focus on economic development
[51:33] environmental sustainability and
[51:36] inclusivity which also informed the
[51:38] goals in each
[51:40] section so the older plan had goals to
[51:43] support local businesses and tourism and
[51:46] the new plan um we expand on that and
[51:50] add detailed strategies for addressing
[51:52] economic
[51:53] challenges from the community feedback
[51:56] we learned about um high demand for
[51:58] child care diverse retail Etc but there
[52:02] was also interest in research and
[52:04] development Labs distribution centers
[52:06] and Partnerships to create stable jobs
[52:08] and address economic
[52:11] issues the previous um plan was pretty
[52:14] focused
[52:15] on accommodating go growth through
[52:18] single family development single family
[52:21] uh housing developments but the new plan
[52:24] Builds on this and expands the housing
[52:27] needs by addressing affordable housing
[52:29] shortage and introduces mix use medium
[52:34] density housing
[52:35] options there's emphasis on housing
[52:38] needs of the asset limited income
[52:41] constrainted employed are also known as
[52:44] Alice households mainly since it
[52:47] represents a significant portion of the
[52:49] town's
[52:50] population the new plan also Builds on
[52:53] the older plan's goals of implementing
[52:55] sustainable practices at a community
[52:57] level involving stream and Wetland
[53:00] protection and flood pain
[53:02] management uh another big change is the
[53:04] growth boundary and the growth
[53:06] opportunity area grow opportunity area
[53:08] to control sprawl or manage um expansion
[53:12] in a balanced way so that the small town
[53:14] character is
[53:16] preserved there's support for mixed use
[53:18] zones and compact development and a
[53:20] detailed growth boundary to plan for
[53:23] annexation
[53:25] needs um the new plan also talks about
[53:27] infrastructure improvements based on
[53:30] community input including better parking
[53:32] and accessibility that can support the
[53:35] town's needs IT addresses um amenities
[53:39] like Child Care recreational facilities
[53:41] and programs for businesses and families
[53:44] and it talks about Partnerships with um
[53:47] various organizations including Mount St
[53:49] Marys for Community Resources and
[53:51] workplace
[53:54] development um so
[53:57] uh excuse me I'll go over each section
[54:01] that we have uh that we provided you um
[54:05] copies of uh tonight um so we named the
[54:09] document Envision Envision urg to
[54:13] encapsulate the idea of looking ahead to
[54:16] imagine a better mburg one that's
[54:18] prosperous connected sustainable and the
[54:21] name represents a strategic and
[54:24] inclusive approach to planning that refs
[54:26] the shared goals and values of residents
[54:29] aiming to guide the town's development
[54:31] in a way that balances economic
[54:33] Prosperity environmental stewardship and
[54:35] social
[54:37] well-being so um the first
[54:40] section um is the introductory chapter
[54:42] which will be finalized after completing
[54:45] all the other sections and um this
[54:48] approach will help write a complete
[54:50] overview and an accurate summary of the
[54:53] entire plan and to make sure that it
[54:56] sets the stage for um content of the
[54:59] plan uh that's why we're waiting until
[55:01] all the other uh chapters are
[55:05] completed and the this chapter will
[55:08] include the town's background and
[55:10] outline the organization of the
[55:12] plan um it'll also include the state's
[55:15] 12 Visions which was created by
[55:17] Maryland's planning Vision law planning
[55:19] Visions law in 2009 and uh how the plan
[55:23] relates to each
[55:24] Vision so that'll be the uh first
[55:27] chapter um the second chapter which you
[55:30] should have gotten a copy of is the
[55:32] community input and
[55:34] vision which discusses all public input
[55:37] through workshops and surveys as you may
[55:40] already know um there were three
[55:43] workshops and four surveys that were
[55:44] made accessible to the public three of
[55:48] those surveys focused on the three
[55:50] pillars of
[55:52] sustainability and the plan focuses on
[55:55] the three pillar of
[55:57] sustainability uh it provides a holistic
[55:59] framework for developing communities in
[56:02] a in a way that ensures long-term
[56:04] well-being and resilience so there's
[56:07] environmental sustainability um and then
[56:11] um Economic Development and Community
[56:16] Development um there are sections for
[56:18] each pillar and they they're all um they
[56:22] all discuss a participants views and
[56:25] preferences B based on personal
[56:28] experience um so for example under
[56:32] economic growth um or Economic
[56:34] Development there's job growth support
[56:36] for local businesses infrastructure
[56:38] improvements
[56:40] Etc and then under Community Development
[56:42] there's discussion regarding Community
[56:44] engagement and improving amenities also
[56:48] affordable housing and poverty
[56:51] alleviation um there's a section of um
[56:54] section for environmental sustainability
[56:56] that addresses preservation climate
[56:58] change and awareness and community-led
[57:01] initiatives so all these are put
[57:03] together to form the vision statements
[57:05] for each of the three pillars and these
[57:08] vision statements are um these broad
[57:11] forward-looking
[57:13] statements um to guide goals and
[57:16] strategies that are stated in subsequent
[57:21] chapters um then we have the population
[57:23] and housing uh chapter which focuses on
[57:27] the demographics and Trends and housing
[57:29] composition in
[57:30] Emmitsburg there's a section on
[57:33] population characteristics age gender
[57:36] distribution housing occupancy and it
[57:39] also focuses on LS households as a major
[57:42] demographic and their need for
[57:44] affordable housing close to job
[57:47] opportunities and like um there's a
[57:50] section with goals objectives and
[57:52] strategies and all the chapters um from
[57:57] will have except for the first two will
[57:59] have these goals objectives and
[58:00] strategies
[58:02] section um the goals involve in this
[58:05] chapter involves accommodating the
[58:08] population's needs by promoting diverse
[58:10] housing options that support um an um
[58:15] intergenerational Community catering to
[58:17] residents of all ages groups and income
[58:19] levels another goal is to develop a land
[58:22] use program to promote infill
[58:24] development and the third goal goal is
[58:26] to implement programs and policies to
[58:29] eliminate vacant and blighted buildings
[58:31] that can be transferred in transformed
[58:33] into safe livable housing
[58:36] units um in the um packet you will also
[58:41] see that the goals have objectives and
[58:43] strategies that correspond to each goal
[58:47] so for example under the first goal as I
[58:49] mentioned accommodating the population's
[58:51] needs by offering the other housing
[58:53] options that support the inter
[58:55] generation
[58:56] Community catering to residents of all
[58:59] ages and groups income levels the
[59:01] objective here is to increase the
[59:04] diversity of housing types by ensuring
[59:07] that um at least a certain percentage of
[59:09] new residential developments include mix
[59:12] of housing options such as single family
[59:14] homes duplexes um town homes and
[59:17] apartments and a strategy for that is to
[59:20] revise um zoning regulations to allow
[59:23] for greater housing diversity including
[59:26] higher density options and so that's
[59:30] um uh the chapter on uh population and
[59:34] housing and um there's a few more
[59:37] chapters that I'll go over um the next
[59:40] one we have economy and fiscal Health
[59:43] that talks about um the business comp
[59:45] composition and employment trends and
[59:47] fiscal challenges in town and uh IT
[59:50] addresses the fact that there's limited
[59:52] business base and that um most residents
[59:56] commute to work which often leads to um
[59:59] reduced local spending it also
[1:00:02] highlights areas of opportunities such
[1:00:04] as the fact that it's near a tourist
[1:00:06] attractions that the town can capitalize
[1:00:09] on and promote Economic
[1:00:11] Development um it highlights the
[1:00:13] financial status of the population
[1:00:15] through the median income uh poverty
[1:00:18] rate and um employment rate as well as
[1:00:21] the presence of um Al families as
[1:00:24] households it goes over the town's
[1:00:27] overall fiscal Health showing um the
[1:00:30] need for broadening the tax base based
[1:00:32] on R residential
[1:00:35] sectors and the chapter has suggested
[1:00:37] goals and to strengthen the town's local
[1:00:40] economy and business
[1:00:42] environment um I'll mention that one
[1:00:45] that talks about uh reducing economic
[1:00:47] leakage or reduced spending and
[1:00:50] encourage residents and visitors to
[1:00:52] spend locally which could be
[1:00:54] accomplished by implementing a Main
[1:00:56] Street Improvement program to revitalize
[1:00:59] the area to attract businesses and
[1:01:02] tourists the goal section also mentions
[1:01:04] partnering with Mount St Mary's
[1:01:07] University to offer vocational and
[1:01:09] professional development programs that
[1:01:12] meet the needs of key sectors um
[1:01:15] relevant to the town's needs and um one
[1:01:18] of those goals also calls for addressing
[1:01:21] the uh income inequality and support the
[1:01:24] needs of Alice um households through
[1:01:27] increasing access to Affordable and
[1:01:30] middle income housing units which can be
[1:01:33] achieved by a collaborating with
[1:01:35] developers who are looking to start
[1:01:37] residential development in
[1:01:40] town um next we have the environment and
[1:01:43] natural resources chapter which focuses
[1:01:46] on waterways vegetative buffers uh
[1:01:50] unique Landscapes talks about the
[1:01:52] geography and how it influences the
[1:01:54] town's development
[1:01:56] and touches upon groundwater resources
[1:01:59] uh Wetlands flood planes
[1:02:01] Etc uh it also mentions climate change
[1:02:04] and flood plane management and the
[1:02:05] town's efforts to um control storm
[1:02:09] water and talks about green
[1:02:11] infrastructure like rain Gardens and
[1:02:13] permeable
[1:02:14] Pavements um and then the goals include working to ensure and long-term
[1:02:21] ecological integrity and minimizing the
[1:02:23] environmental impact of development on
[1:02:27] systems and I have a couple more slides
[1:02:31] uh the next um chapter we have is the
[1:02:34] land use and Community design which
[1:02:36] talks about zoning patterns and land use
[1:02:38] patterns in town and you know it's like
[1:02:41] different zones residential commercial
[1:02:44] industrial institutional and breaks down
[1:02:46] how much of the town's area is
[1:02:48] designated for each each Zone um the
[1:02:51] most important part of this chapter is
[1:02:54] the growth boundary boundary area area
[1:02:57] and the growth opportunity area so the
[1:03:00] last growth boundary area was adopted in
[1:03:04] 2021 and um if you go to the next slide
[1:03:07] there's a map
[1:03:09] um
[1:03:10] the what you see here the the red line
[1:03:14] is the newly proposed growth boundary
[1:03:17] which includes properties located
[1:03:19] northwest of the town's borders um along
[1:03:22] Track Road and uh Route 14
[1:03:28] um so these are suggested to be included
[1:03:30] to address fragmented Water and Sewer
[1:03:32] Service issues some of these properties
[1:03:35] are already connected to Town's
[1:03:37] utilities while others are not since the
[1:03:40] town's code
[1:03:42] um prohibits establishing utility
[1:03:44] connections outside of its jurisdiction
[1:03:47] service cannot be extended unless these
[1:03:50] areas are annexed so to make um future
[1:03:53] annexation possible these properties
[1:03:55] must be included into the growth Town's
[1:03:58] growth boundary and provide that would
[1:04:00] provide them um opportunities for water
[1:04:03] and sewer
[1:04:05] connections and about the growth
[1:04:07] opportunity area which is in
[1:04:09] Gray um it's it's um a
[1:04:14] flexible way to um allow growth you know
[1:04:18] because growth isn't always um confined
[1:04:21] into like one town limit it happens
[1:04:23] outset of town limits as well but if
[1:04:26] there's unplanned growth that takes
[1:04:28] place and it can have um benefits for
[1:04:31] the town it could be like economic or
[1:04:34] residential development or any other
[1:04:35] infrastructure projects but has benefits
[1:04:38] for the town if they're Incorporated um
[1:04:41] then this is one way um the town can
[1:04:47] uh allow annexation of those areas
[1:04:51] without having to change the
[1:04:52] comprehensive plan over and over again
[1:04:55] um so and then the growth opportunities
[1:04:59] areas they're usually um they usually
[1:05:03] have constraints like physical
[1:05:05] constraints in topography or the C's um
[1:05:08] easements like agricultural
[1:05:10] easements so it like naturally um helps
[1:05:16] uh put like a
[1:05:19] boundary and then the the gray that you
[1:05:22] see it extends from like quarter of a
[1:05:26] mile to a third of a mile that's how
[1:05:29] further out it is from the growth
[1:05:32] boundary so
[1:05:35] um that's that's part of the land use
[1:05:38] chapter and
[1:05:40] um the remaining sections we have are um
[1:05:45] the transportation and Community
[1:05:47] facilities those are um in progress um
[1:05:51] and we're also working on the municipal
[1:05:54] growth um which will analyze of fature
[1:05:59] growth and alignment with long range
[1:06:01] vision and it will be based on
[1:06:03] population projections and the needs of
[1:06:05] needs for land and
[1:06:07] infrastructure and then there will be an
[1:06:09] Implement implementation section that
[1:06:12] will discuss the metrics to measure the
[1:06:14] progress towards the goals that are
[1:06:16] mentioned throughout this entire
[1:06:19] document um if you have any questions on
[1:06:22] the content um Commissioners any questions
[1:06:31] comments not not on the actual content
[1:06:34] but schedule-wise
[1:06:37] for I think you want to have another
[1:06:40] public meeting and then somewhere wrap
[1:06:42] up in the next three four five months or
[1:06:44] so that is right yeah um we're working
[1:06:47] on putting together a concrete um
[1:06:50] schedule I know the Planning Commission
[1:06:52] wanted to um have have go out to public
[1:06:56] comment by March so that is something we
[1:06:59] would like to
[1:07:04] do commissioner Hagen I just want to say
[1:07:06] for nil after working on this for the
[1:07:09] last year it's you've done an impressive
[1:07:11] job of working with the community and
[1:07:13] reaching out and with you know members
[1:07:16] to try to answer questions and Shepherd
[1:07:19] it all through so you've done a great
[1:07:21] job thank
[1:07:23] you I've only heard good things things
[1:07:25] too everybody who went to those
[1:07:27] workshops said um that you did a
[1:07:30] wonderful job so thank you for the hard
[1:07:32] work thank you um commissioner swey did
[1:07:34] you have any no no I don't see any
[1:07:37] problems she has done wonderful
[1:07:40] job thank you um I only know that um I
[1:07:45] have a copy of the orig the 2015 I don't
[1:07:48] know if anybody else
[1:07:49] does uh we can make sure that everyone
[1:07:53] else you do okay I don't did I get oh I
[1:07:56] have one I don't think I got did I get
[1:07:58] no okay I did not get one oh um yeah the
[1:08:02] Planning Commission members they all
[1:08:04] received one so that's proba why okay we
[1:08:07] can get you one we can talk later I
[1:08:10] don't want you to have to make another
[1:08:11] one if one doesn't exist so I might just
[1:08:14] borrow one if if need be um but please
[1:08:17] don't print anymore if it they're going
[1:08:19] to be outdated soon yeah J Bar mine any
[1:08:22] time want oh thank
[1:08:24] you um
[1:08:27] in the workshop are we looking as a town
[1:08:30] to become a Main Street
[1:08:32] Maryland um town to make it official
[1:08:37] movie sustainable commity is that what
[1:08:38] it is oh you know like um th Mountain
[1:08:41] has the Main Street program is that
[1:08:42] something we're are we have a goal to
[1:08:45] aim towards as well right so from the
[1:08:49] public workshops we gathered that people
[1:08:51] do want to attain that um designation
[1:08:55] and for economic development that would
[1:08:58] be one way to one step towards that sure
[1:09:02] yeah sure that yeah because um I like
[1:09:06] how there's definitely thoughts about
[1:09:08] you know targeting those vacant
[1:09:10] buildings or ones that have been left
[1:09:12] and um they're dilapidated so I know
[1:09:16] that's Thurmont received a lot of money
[1:09:19] towards those towards their vacant
[1:09:22] buildings to incentivize businesses to
[1:09:23] come so that would align nicely I think
[1:09:27] with targeting some of those buildings
[1:09:29] that could be turned into
[1:09:31] businesses um and then I saw here
[1:09:34] support student housing by incentivizing
[1:09:37] Property Owners to create safe livable
[1:09:39] residential units for Mount St Mary's is
[1:09:43] that targeting The Village zone or is
[1:09:47] that because I would imagine the HOAs
[1:09:50] would have jurisdiction over that within
[1:09:53] subdivisions so I was confused by that
[1:09:57] okay um that can be clarified um so once
[1:10:02] these are done they will be um posted so
[1:10:06] that people can comment on it so if it
[1:10:08] doesn't it should apply to like the
[1:10:10] village zone or outside of Village Zone
[1:10:12] that's
[1:10:13] something you know you as a board or the
[1:10:15] public they can all decide and I see
[1:10:18] just incorporate that yeah I
[1:10:21] see so all right so it's more this is
[1:10:25] just we're still in those like you're
[1:10:28] okay commissioner Hoover you're giving
[1:10:29] me this zoning would dictate that not
[1:10:32] necessary Village zone or or HOAs but
[1:10:35] zoning itself is multi is a multi-use or
[1:10:38] high density use okay all right thank
[1:10:41] you that's all I have any other
[1:10:45] questions this doesn't require a vote in
[1:10:48] any way does it this was just a
[1:10:50] presentation okay all right thank you
[1:10:52] very much I know that um your slideshow
[1:10:55] was a lot of work and you did a good job
[1:10:58] highlighting the differences in the
[1:10:59] updates and I appreciate it thank you
[1:11:02] thank
[1:11:03] you all
[1:11:06] right moving on to number four discuss
[1:11:10] discussion related to FY 25 water
[1:11:17] rates we do have some information in our
[1:11:20] packets that was requested water um sip
[1:11:24] breakdown the breakdown water
[1:11:27] Revenue that we have as far as the
[1:11:29] project
[1:11:30] schedule
[1:11:33] um I don't uh Commissioners don't know
[1:11:36] how you want to tackle this did you want
[1:11:39] us to go through the
[1:11:40] attached information or are we ready to
[1:11:44] jump right into
[1:11:51] discussion do notice on on page 44 on
[1:11:55] the water fund the
[1:11:57] CIP that in page 45 the the red didn't
[1:12:01] show up when it got copied so just to
[1:12:05] note on FY
[1:12:07] 26 where it says 159
[1:12:10] 790 and then all the way out to fy3
[1:12:13] that's all in the red that should have
[1:12:15] showed up
[1:12:16] red and then the same thing for the
[1:12:19] total revenue from FY 26 to
[1:12:23] 7779 out to year 30 that's all uh red as
[1:12:29] well wait where's the second one I'm
[1:12:31] sorry under total R toal Revenue gotcha
[1:12:34] thank you and
[1:12:39] then then under so page 44 page 44 if
[1:12:44] top top row cash reserves estimated
[1:12:47] where you see FY
[1:12:49] 26 159 790 yep that's actually in the
[1:12:53] red okay and then it stays in the red
[1:12:57] through 27 28 29 and
[1:13:00] 30 and then if you drop down to the last
[1:13:03] row in that section under total
[1:13:08] revenue it starts in the red at the
[1:13:13] 7779 and carries
[1:13:20] out and
[1:13:21] [Music]
[1:13:23] then if you drop down to Total cash
[1:13:27] available on the bottom of page
[1:13:32] 44 starting at
[1:13:35] 16905 and out is red as
[1:13:42] well
[1:13:47] 169 all the way down at the bottom in
[1:13:49] the book yes where it says total cash
[1:13:51] available on page 44 oh okay okay and
[1:13:56] then on page
[1:13:59] 45 I add
[1:14:03] here system
[1:14:08] upgrades in the end of FY
[1:14:11] 25 where it shows 159
[1:14:15] 790 red and that all the way out then
[1:14:18] should be red where it says Surplus deficit
[1:14:26] got it that's it that's I just want to
[1:14:28] point that out since it didn't show up
[1:14:29] in your
[1:14:31] packet okay thank
[1:14:39] you back
[1:14:43] on okay where would we like to be in the
[1:14:46] discussion commissioner Hoover sure so Kathy thanks for that clarification
[1:14:51] so I'm assuming then that they're in the
[1:14:53] red based on
[1:14:57] page 46 is
[1:15:00] projects being performed right so if you
[1:15:04] look let me just jump up to the top
[1:15:08] here so you start in the
[1:15:11] red at the top of page 44 the water fund
[1:15:15] FY 26 at the negative
[1:15:18] 9790 yes and that
[1:15:21] is because of all your um system
[1:15:26] projects it would be in FY 25 you'd have
[1:15:30] the clarifier completion the completion
[1:15:32] date for the clarifier is October of
[1:15:36] 25
[1:15:38] um the North seatan Avenue waterline
[1:15:41] project now that one's estimated because
[1:15:43] I don't know when it's actually going to
[1:15:46] start um and then the depal street 1
[1:15:50] that with that project being complete in
[1:15:53] April of 255 all the money should be
[1:15:55] spent on the depal street waterline by
[1:15:58] the close of
[1:16:00] fy2 um some of these other projects um
[1:16:05] the Rainbow Lake pump pouch Bridge
[1:16:07] placement that actually should be done
[1:16:09] by the end of the
[1:16:10] year um the Rainbow Lake Dam repairs or
[1:16:14] the Rainbow Lake repairs we don't know
[1:16:16] the cost associated with that yet until
[1:16:18] we receive the final report in a couple
[1:16:20] of weeks the initial report on the
[1:16:23] leadline service replacement is we are
[1:16:26] probably going to have to sample so we
[1:16:29] had approximately
[1:16:31] 500
[1:16:32] um
[1:16:34] non-responses and of those 500 we'll
[1:16:37] probably have to sample about a 100 and
[1:16:40] the estimated cost for each to sample is
[1:16:43] about
[1:16:44] $700 each so we're estimating about
[1:16:49] $70,000 to perform what need what mde
[1:16:53] requires to show what the Le what the
[1:16:55] lines are when you say sample do you
[1:16:58] mean going because they didn't respond
[1:17:01] via the survey so so the the
[1:17:04] verification is is
[1:17:06] twofold so a lot of people responded by
[1:17:09] the survey but didn't do the
[1:17:11] photograph um some of them we were able
[1:17:13] to verify based off the survey and plans
[1:17:16] and but there are some that no
[1:17:17] absolutely no response given and there's
[1:17:20] no second form of um verification so
[1:17:24] there's two options to verify you can
[1:17:27] excavate which means digging up yards
[1:17:30] digging up sidewalks digging up roads
[1:17:32] and then you have to restore that cost
[1:17:35] is estimated to be more than
[1:17:38] $700 um staff went and watched a demo
[1:17:43] where they can go in with a camera and
[1:17:45] camera will it can camera the line and
[1:17:47] you can basically kill two birds with
[1:17:49] Sunstone you can see the service line
[1:17:52] and our line so if you if you remember
[1:17:56] the your sewer line the town has a
[1:17:58] portion up the initial portion and then
[1:18:01] you have your service line anyway so
[1:18:03] it's estimated about $700 each and if we
[1:18:06] have to sample
[1:18:08] 100 you're at $70,000 on that and then
[1:18:13] there are requirements to replace so we
[1:18:16] know of two lead lines so far and
[1:18:19] approximately 13 is it non-galvanized or
[1:18:23] gavanized I can't remember
[1:18:25] galvaniz so a galvaniz has to be
[1:18:28] replaced as well and I believe as of
[1:18:30] right now there's 13 so that's at least
[1:18:32] 15 that are going to have to be replaced
[1:18:35] and we'll start looking for funding on
[1:18:37] that we have a meeting coming up anyway
[1:18:41] that's how you get to the negative
[1:18:42] commissioner Hoover is is taking all the
[1:18:44] revenue that we've received for the
[1:18:46] projects and then backing out the the
[1:18:49] cost of the projects the timing could be
[1:18:52] off a little bit with like with the
[1:18:53] North seatan uh waterline uh we have
[1:18:57] incurred some expense on the engineering
[1:18:59] side um nothing on the construction side
[1:19:03] yet that's hoping to go out to bid
[1:19:04] within the next C
[1:19:08] months um we are looking for funding
[1:19:11] right now for the West Main Street water
[1:19:14] line and the Waynesboro Pike
[1:19:16] waterline um that just went out to bid
[1:19:19] for engineering
[1:19:21] cost because there are we have fixed an
[1:19:24] enormous amount of leaks on West Main
[1:19:26] and
[1:19:28] Waynesboro the mayor would like us to
[1:19:30] look at a bond Initiative for that
[1:19:32] project through the state of
[1:19:35] Maryland for that
[1:19:40] one um going back to the lead line the
[1:19:43] requirement to replace that falls on the
[1:19:46] town uh we're still working through that
[1:19:48] anything that's
[1:19:49] Townline would be our
[1:19:52] responsibility um
[1:19:54] reached out to our consultant to give me
[1:19:57] if they were aware of any funding um
[1:20:01] options you know the cost to fix your
[1:20:04] line depending on how long your line is going to be a huge burden on our
[1:20:09] residents and hopefully the town can
[1:20:10] secure some funding to assist with that
[1:20:14] um but we're right in the beginning
[1:20:15] stages right now you do have until 20 30
[1:20:20] you have till 2030 to make all the the
[1:20:22] ne necessary replacements
[1:20:25] can I ask the question um the 500 that
[1:20:29] has not received were they all all over
[1:20:32] the town or just in the old part of the
[1:20:33] town all
[1:20:34] over all over because um when when you
[1:20:37] do uh North seatting you'll be able to
[1:20:39] see when they replace the line they'll
[1:20:42] be able to see if it's ganized or not
[1:20:44] correct yes and the the Paul Street you
[1:20:46] should be able to see now when they redo
[1:20:48] theirs right so they are they going to
[1:20:50] replace them as they go or to Copper so
[1:20:55] they're just replacing the main on the
[1:20:58] right now right but you'll know you can
[1:21:01] you'll mark down which ones are I
[1:21:03] believe they're doing that I believe
[1:21:06] they were looking at the service lines
[1:21:07] as they are going through right it's my
[1:21:10] understanding but I can find out for
[1:21:11] sure I know mine on North seatan was
[1:21:13] galvanized I had it replaced with copper
[1:21:15] completely out to the town's right curb
[1:21:18] stop it was galvanized 34 it was no
[1:21:21] bigger my pinky and you couldn't even
[1:21:23] see through so imagine the other old
[1:21:25] houses through
[1:21:27] there
[1:21:31] yeah so on the on page 44 Miss Willets
[1:21:34] where it says um cash reserves
[1:21:40] estimated um does this take into account
[1:21:43] our current water rate increase the way
[1:21:46] it stands now the cash reserves
[1:21:51] yes
[1:21:52] so even if we keep it 36% for 5 years
[1:21:57] potentially we're still in the
[1:21:59] red actually I need to ask that question
[1:22:02] because I'm not let me go back through
[1:22:05] my budget and make sure that that's
[1:22:07] correct because that I mean that's a
[1:22:09] important piece of information but
[1:22:12] also this also assumes we don't get
[1:22:15] funding correct on these projects like
[1:22:18] no this does include your funding for
[1:22:21] the
[1:22:22] clarifier the North seat and Avenue line
[1:22:27] project it does include any funding
[1:22:29] we've already received right but not
[1:22:30] future funding right right it does not
[1:22:32] include any funding for the West Main
[1:22:36] Street water line or the line down the
[1:22:37] mountain any future projects that we
[1:22:39] haven't submitted for no it does not
[1:22:42] right it only does I believe North
[1:22:44] seatan to Paul Street and our arpa
[1:22:52] projects yeah and you can see our tap
[1:22:55] fees on that second line how how
[1:22:58] important our tap fees play into
[1:23:02] our our reserves or cash
[1:23:04] reserves that's
[1:23:09] correct and that assumes that I mean the
[1:23:12] 41,000 each year those are just
[1:23:14] estimates based on what's coming down
[1:23:17] the pipe through potential
[1:23:18] annexation um yes so what we do is we we work with Theo on any development
[1:23:23] project she might have the pipeline and
[1:23:25] try to estimate what we will get in that
[1:23:27] fiscal year um so this fiscal year we
[1:23:30] estimated
[1:23:32] from um two development projects that we
[1:23:35] had that we knew of and that would have
[1:23:37] been Christ Community Church and
[1:23:39] possibly The
[1:23:46] Distillery so if tap
[1:23:52] fees I feel like that should be higher
[1:23:55] CU I don't our tap I mean how many
[1:23:58] households would that then incorporate
[1:24:01] into that estimate so 82,000 is is 10
[1:24:05] Taps right 10s we're assuming maybe five
[1:24:09] Taps between FY 27
[1:24:12] fy3 yeah so per year per year so each
[1:24:16] year we estimated that many just because
[1:24:20] we don't know right that we have nothing
[1:24:22] concrete outside of safe no right The
[1:24:25] Distillery
[1:24:27] and Christ Community Church right now
[1:24:31] right but if there is an annexation or
[1:24:36] the
[1:24:37] um fry farm development that's being
[1:24:40] looked at I saw it within the meetings
[1:24:43] that you're having um is that's for the
[1:24:46] part that's already annexed in or is
[1:24:48] that in addition to it's both both both
[1:24:51] the annexation or the the part that's
[1:24:53] already in town as well as a part that
[1:24:55] would be annexed you also have the
[1:24:57] potential of EMT Ridge I think that's
[1:24:59] probably your best and only potential
[1:25:02] within FY 35 time frame other than the
[1:25:05] two like you said the church and
[1:25:07] Distillery time you get
[1:25:10] fairly ready to start buying Taps I
[1:25:13] think You' be very close or beyond the
[1:25:15] fy3 okay you might have EMT Ridge I
[1:25:18] think you're definitely well yeah you
[1:25:19] should have if they move forward you
[1:25:22] would have EMT Ridge within that time frame but we just don't know so
[1:25:26] that's why it's not on there sure the
[1:25:28] final Fe at
[1:25:30] um Southgate and the final F Brookfield
[1:25:33] maybe we have 10 in Brookfield are we
[1:25:35] down to two in Southgate do we um I
[1:25:38] thought there was another one that sold
[1:25:40] I just don't know which one but but
[1:25:42] selling is not necessarily buying the T
[1:25:45] correct by the time they get their
[1:25:46] permits and this whatever you could be
[1:25:49] another year or show down the road for
[1:25:50] that correct and that's why I say frarly
[1:25:52] you're probably four or five years
[1:25:54] before they're anywhere close to a grant
[1:25:56] to a um building permit okay you think
[1:25:59] you
[1:26:00] agree so I think you're only one really
[1:26:02] is going to be your endit Ridge as far
[1:26:04] as new development in this in this time
[1:26:06] frame
[1:26:08] okay Wednesday Tuesday here may whatever
[1:26:11] but yeah understood and I think that's
[1:26:14] only 30 or 20 couple whatever in Rage 40
[1:26:20] 48 um the other thing that it doesn't
[1:26:24] under Debt
[1:26:27] Service we don't have The Debt Service
[1:26:30] listed of whatever will be
[1:26:32] incurred for the never mind I take that
[1:26:35] back there are no loans with the Paul
[1:26:37] Street so I take that back we don't know
[1:26:40] what the loans will be for North seatan
[1:26:45] project I guess I keep going back to if
[1:26:49] we're in the red as of FY
[1:26:52] 26 but we don't know if this
[1:26:54] incorporates our current 36% increase so
[1:26:57] your 36% increase affects your your
[1:27:01] water fund your operating fund and then
[1:27:04] any cash Reserve that would be left from
[1:27:09] fiscal from fiscal year end of fiscal
[1:27:12] year into the next one that would be
[1:27:15] added to your cash reserves so the
[1:27:17] initial
[1:27:19] 36% is in
[1:27:21] here for your um FY 24 and
[1:27:28] fy2 fy2 excuse me
[1:27:32] um but then the cash will accumulate if
[1:27:35] you have money left over at the end of
[1:27:37] your fiscal
[1:27:38] year so that's how it affects your cash
[1:27:41] reserves so which we don't really have
[1:27:44] cash reserves right now do we we kind of
[1:27:47] like transfer them all at the end we so
[1:27:51] for your water fund you do have cash
[1:27:52] reserves you have cash reserves in your
[1:27:55] water fund of roughly
[1:27:58] 26
[1:28:00] million and that's however remembering
[1:28:03] 2.5 of that is arpa money right that
[1:28:06] will be spent by the end of calendar
[1:28:09] year 25 right and what's that allocated
[1:28:11] for what project is that allocated so
[1:28:14] the majority of it goes to your water
[1:28:16] clarifier that was pull my chart up
[1:28:20] and computer's jumping on me okay
[1:28:24] hold on so the majority of your arper
[1:28:28] money goes to the
[1:28:30] clarifier um which is roughly uh 2.1
[1:28:34] million uh 412,000 to the depal street
[1:28:39] waterline 300,000 went to revenue
[1:28:42] replacement and FY 24 for water um
[1:28:45] operating
[1:28:46] expenses 160 replace the Rainbow Lake
[1:28:50] bridge 148,000 for the backwash project
[1:28:53] at the water treat plant and 73,000 for
[1:28:57] the Rainbow Lake uh Dam
[1:29:05] engineer I think that's why um I mean
[1:29:08] looking at this even if we keep 36%
[1:29:11] looks like we might as well just get
[1:29:13] absorbed into freder County I mean
[1:29:15] there's no way that the people in
[1:29:17] Emmitsburg are going to be able to foot
[1:29:19] this
[1:29:21] bill
[1:29:22] so and should they be expected to if
[1:29:25] it's an unattainable
[1:29:27] goal so so where I'm going with this is
[1:29:31] there are other things that I think we
[1:29:33] need to be looking at as well like
[1:29:35] historically we've as a town made a lot
[1:29:38] of concessions for businesses that came
[1:29:40] in
[1:29:42] including um maybe lowering tap fees not
[1:29:46] raising impact fees that in in general
[1:29:49] we need to go back and look at that
[1:29:52] um but while I understand and
[1:29:56] appreciate that we want to bring
[1:29:58] businesses and developments here I don't
[1:30:01] think we should be making concessions
[1:30:02] that are then going to hurt our bottom
[1:30:04] line and it's going to put the burden
[1:30:06] back on our
[1:30:07] residents
[1:30:09] um
[1:30:12] so
[1:30:13] um thoughts
[1:30:17] questions I would just agree with you
[1:30:19] it's like that loss we can't push it
[1:30:22] back we already have a lot of residents
[1:30:25] having problems with the increase we
[1:30:26] have now to increase it now push it over
[1:30:29] the
[1:30:30] edge
[1:30:35] right the bottom line the bottom line
[1:30:38] commissioner B is you need growth and
[1:30:40] you need your TAP fees and that's the
[1:30:42] only way it's going to continue to grow
[1:30:45] um you're right you can't raise the
[1:30:47] rates high enough to to do all the
[1:30:52] projects that need to be done for some
[1:30:54] of these infrastructure projects that just have to be done and or you can
[1:31:01] continue to waste money just continuing
[1:31:03] to put Band-Aids on it um and we
[1:31:06] continue to to continue to look for the
[1:31:09] funding for them you know through grants
[1:31:12] hopefully um but the bottom line is
[1:31:14] you're right you need you need growth
[1:31:17] and the tap fees whether you raise them
[1:31:21] or not are very important to your water
[1:31:23] fund
[1:31:24] because the cost I mean and as we all
[1:31:27] know the cost of everything is it's just
[1:31:29] it's skyrocketing right and you know
[1:31:32] looking at the numbers and talking it
[1:31:34] over with with mayor Davis who I think
[1:31:36] is still on the call
[1:31:40] um I honestly think you need you know we
[1:31:43] look we ran some numbers and you know
[1:31:45] honestly think if you keep it at the 36%
[1:31:48] through the rest of this fiscal year and
[1:31:49] then reduce it to something much more
[1:31:51] manageable for people I think you'll in
[1:31:54] a much better position and that will
[1:31:56] give time for hopefully some of these
[1:31:59] developments to at least get the ball
[1:32:02] rolling and come to fruition and that
[1:32:05] will help us plan a lot better um
[1:32:09] there's certain projects on the CIP that can be put on hold like the water
[1:32:13] meter upgrade project it would be
[1:32:15] fantastic for the town and I think it's
[1:32:16] a great project but in the long run it's
[1:32:20] a want it's a want it it will help us
[1:32:23] with water loss and managing leaks and
[1:32:26] people knowing when they have high
[1:32:29] usage but it is a want and it's it's a
[1:32:32] bells and whistles project that is
[1:32:34] probably further down the road um these
[1:32:38] and you've heard mayor Davis say these
[1:32:40] federal and state
[1:32:41] mandates are killing small towns you
[1:32:44] know the ms4 the leadline service
[1:32:46] inventory you
[1:32:48] know the dam inspection you know they're
[1:32:51] all unexpected costs that you can't
[1:32:52] really plan for
[1:32:54] and we keep waiting for what's
[1:32:56] next well I would agree with what you
[1:32:58] said a minute ago is that you know the
[1:33:00] 36% I I would actually agreed I had a
[1:33:02] little discussion that carrying the 36%
[1:33:06] we already have it this year leave it
[1:33:07] alone but I think you know then next
[1:33:09] year where we have it for a fiveyear
[1:33:11] plan I don't I can't I can't I can't I
[1:33:15] can't foresee us carrying that through
[1:33:17] um after this year I think we should
[1:33:19] stop it and then probably go more to the
[1:33:22] I think in the current ordinance is a a
[1:33:25] mandated 3% um my opinion that is I mean
[1:33:30] I don't know there should be a man I
[1:33:31] don't I don't agree there should be a
[1:33:32] mandated but I do think there should be
[1:33:33] a mandated annually review and verif
[1:33:36] kind of like with your taxes you know
[1:33:38] taxes are mandated every year that you
[1:33:39] review them and you and you make a
[1:33:41] determination I'm going to raise them
[1:33:42] I'm not going to raise them I'm going to
[1:33:44] reduce them or whatever it is may be and
[1:33:46] I think that should be a mandate
[1:33:47] annually that has done and I think the
[1:33:50] then the rate to be increased or not if
[1:33:53] Commission had to make a make a decision
[1:33:55] to raise it or not raise it and if they
[1:33:57] raise it to raise it to not exceed the
[1:34:00] CPI the CPI of that year um I sort of
[1:34:04] said that once before but I said you
[1:34:05] know we would try to cut back this year
[1:34:07] but I got the numbers that that staff
[1:34:09] provided me with and based on that you
[1:34:12] know in FY 23 before we done an increase
[1:34:16] we brought in $435,000 in change and
[1:34:20] then FY
[1:34:22] 24 we brought in
[1:34:24] a after the first
[1:34:27] increase brought in 628 th000 and we're
[1:34:31] on we're on target now assuming with 36%
[1:34:35] of that You' bring in 855 which is
[1:34:38] almost double prior to the tax and from
[1:34:42] an operating perspective I
[1:34:45] think for operating wise that should be
[1:34:49] surfaced now I think also additionally
[1:34:50] we need to look at come back and look at
[1:34:54] you see in the paper that we have in our
[1:34:55] last page page 48 page 48 of
[1:34:59] 49 appreciation 4849 yeah the
[1:35:03] depreciation cost in there which is just
[1:35:06] government paper money U that doesn't
[1:35:08] exist um that's that depreciation fund
[1:35:11] of 668,000 in FY 23 and 84,000 in
[1:35:16] FY uh
[1:35:18] 24 that's that's monies that's costing
[1:35:21] all these projects you know where
[1:35:23] everything's depreciated but that
[1:35:25] depreciation is not being funded and
[1:35:27] many many years ago we had we had a
[1:35:30] funding source for that and I think
[1:35:32] rather than doing the 36% increase I
[1:35:35] think we should be looking at do we need
[1:35:36] to establish a funding source or does
[1:35:39] the operating money with the new rates
[1:35:42] the current new rates is there
[1:35:44] sufficient there to to create a funding
[1:35:46] source for depreciation so when things
[1:35:48] do fail we have more money available and
[1:35:51] I realize there a depreciation fund may
[1:35:54] be another cost somewhere down the road
[1:35:56] this year next year the following year
[1:35:57] somewhere but I
[1:35:59] think the depreciation of the equipment
[1:36:02] in both sore and water but we're a
[1:36:04] talking about water right now should be
[1:36:07] what's looked at next and to find out
[1:36:10] where does that money come from and
[1:36:12] where how do we how do we get get ahead
[1:36:14] of it instead of like we are now behind
[1:36:17] it way behind it
[1:36:20] um but but I would agree that I think
[1:36:23] you know we follow out through this year
[1:36:25] do not do any more substantial increases
[1:36:27] of
[1:36:28] 36% and then come to a conclusion an
[1:36:31] ordinance
[1:36:33] to revamp that that remaining three
[1:36:36] years to be just CPI or something of
[1:36:40] that in my
[1:36:41] opinion that neighborhood and agree to
[1:36:45] establish a funding source for funding
[1:36:48] for um depreciation as I said and you
[1:36:51] could do it similar to what you do for
[1:36:53] your budgets how you have a set second
[1:36:56] meeting of May is always your budget
[1:36:58] meeting solely you could determine what
[1:37:02] month in every year that you want to
[1:37:05] hold a water rate only second meeting to
[1:37:09] set your rates it can be a public
[1:37:11] hearing and then you can set your rates
[1:37:13] and that way
[1:37:15] it's it's consistent you do it every
[1:37:18] probably February or March so that then
[1:37:21] we have the information for the budget
[1:37:22] going forward
[1:37:24] and you revisit it every year and then
[1:37:26] you stay on top of it and then we won't
[1:37:28] get into this position gigantic mess it
[1:37:32] won't be yes not blaming nobody I'm not no just to be
[1:37:37] clear I'm just it's not where we this is
[1:37:40] where we're at so we got we go to we got
[1:37:41] to do whatever we got to do to get out
[1:37:42] of it but um so and then but whatever we
[1:37:46] do we got to look at for what's it going
[1:37:47] to do for the next 20 30 50 years from
[1:37:49] now that we're not the next group of
[1:37:52] people sitting up here aren't up with
[1:37:53] the same
[1:37:54] nonsense right and I think there's other
[1:37:57] things that we can look at that may not
[1:37:58] be pertinent to the discussion tonight
[1:38:00] but like you said like looking at our um
[1:38:03] connection fees and be cognizant when
[1:38:07] businesses and developers come into town
[1:38:09] that we're
[1:38:11] not making such a
[1:38:15] wonderful deal to make it attractive for
[1:38:18] them that's going to put the burden back
[1:38:19] on our residents to pick up the slap
[1:38:21] because residents or businesses that are
[1:38:23] coming into town or buying into an
[1:38:26] existing water system that right now is
[1:38:30] only shared by not a lot of
[1:38:32] people and
[1:38:34] uh so I think I think we need to be
[1:38:37] cognizant of the town of the Town moving
[1:38:40] forward with that I like the idea of
[1:38:44] ride out the 36% or until the end of
[1:38:47] this year because we're already halfway
[1:38:49] through the I mean by the time we make
[1:38:51] it into by the time we get another
[1:38:52] ordinance it be January February way to
[1:38:54] get one past right to to to change it so
[1:38:57] I think you
[1:38:59] just the rate is set um the money there
[1:39:03] is money as that's needed but take the
[1:39:04] big burden we got the burden it's
[1:39:06] already
[1:39:07] here live with what we've done and
[1:39:10] accept it but not do any more
[1:39:14] substantial increases is
[1:39:17] my but like I say at the same time start
[1:39:19] looking for a depreciation funding
[1:39:21] source how do we make that happen
[1:39:24] okay um and what and what is
[1:39:25] depreciation what are we what are we
[1:39:27] funding with that okay make sure that's
[1:39:29] established as well
[1:39:31] that you know your operating money that
[1:39:33] we get with this money that we're
[1:39:35] talking about to me is operating so it's
[1:39:37] like your day-to-day stuff fixing a leak
[1:39:40] or repairing minor stuff or whatever but
[1:39:44] new water lines new new new new pumps
[1:39:46] and new new equipment even even new new
[1:39:50] vehicles and trucks so that's that's depreciation all that all
[1:39:55] that's got a depreciation funds
[1:39:59] right to keep it to 36 to the end of the
[1:40:02] year to the um can you say that louder
[1:40:05] in the microphone I yeah I want to keep
[1:40:06] it at
[1:40:08] 36% to the end of this year and then go
[1:40:11] and revisit every year after that yeah I
[1:40:15] think the idea that we make it you know
[1:40:17] scheduled every year to do that is ideal
[1:40:21] going forward um and the only other
[1:40:24] question I had you mentioned that there
[1:40:25] could be some grants or anything out
[1:40:27] there with us continuing to run and
[1:40:29] increasing the loss does that limit our
[1:40:32] ability to get grants or have an impact
[1:40:34] on
[1:40:35] it so USDA looks at USDA looks at your rates to see if they're competitive
[1:40:41] with or not competitive that one you're
[1:40:43] self- sustaining but two that similar
[1:40:47] systems have about the similar rate so
[1:40:49] they're not subsidizing somebody a
[1:40:51] municipality that's can't pay their own
[1:40:54] bills we've shown great effort to raise
[1:40:58] our rates and to
[1:40:59] make leaps in the right direction I
[1:41:02] don't foresee it being an issue with
[1:41:05] USDA we talked to them quite a bit about
[1:41:08] it um we're going to be testing the
[1:41:10] waters with them here fairly soon on on
[1:41:12] another project but I I don't think so I
[1:41:16] don't think it's going to be a problem
[1:41:18] as long as we're showing and this is
[1:41:19] what they told me a good faith effort
[1:41:21] that you are moving in the right
[1:41:23] direction that you're just not sitting
[1:41:24] there and doing
[1:41:25] nothing but but also let me understand
[1:41:28] correctly the deficits that we show here
[1:41:30] the projected
[1:41:33] deficits other than the grants that we
[1:41:35] already have that takes no it doesn't
[1:41:38] have anything that takes consideration
[1:41:40] that grants will be grants not loans but
[1:41:42] grants will be provided and the
[1:41:44] likelihood of that is pretty good odds
[1:41:46] that some or all them projects will get
[1:41:48] some sort of funding right so um like
[1:41:51] the depal street one because of arpa
[1:41:54] that is all solely Grant funded and arpa
[1:41:56] funded so that's when the Project's done
[1:41:58] we don't have any loans to pay back and
[1:42:01] arpa is now gone after this right arper
[1:42:03] is ARA now gone after this completely
[1:42:06] once we spend this whatever it was yes
[1:42:08] there's no future Ora money not that
[1:42:10] I've heard that's I wouldn't think so um
[1:42:15] so so why the deficits that we see or
[1:42:18] the or the projected
[1:42:21] deficits is the worst case scenario
[1:42:24] probably yeah um but so USDA and other folks won't see that
[1:42:32] much of a deficit most likely um some
[1:42:35] deficit maybe
[1:42:37] right
[1:42:39] but but also the likelihood of doing all
[1:42:43] these projects in this time frame was
[1:42:44] gonna be damn
[1:42:46] hard right going take a while to get
[1:42:48] them all lined up and scheduled and in
[1:42:50] place to get it between now and fy3 you
[1:42:53] know maybe between now and FY 33 34 35
[1:42:56] probably be more well unfortunately you
[1:42:59] look at the pump station start M and I
[1:43:01] started that in 2018 and here we are
[1:43:04] completion is not gonna be till 2025 now
[1:43:07] the Paul Street that one move fairly
[1:43:09] quickly but the other
[1:43:11] ones they they don't then that's why we
[1:43:13] keep planning for them because they do
[1:43:14] take a long time to come you know to
[1:43:16] actually happen yeah you know and th
[1:43:19] those those timelines they estimates on
[1:43:22] when things are going to be completed
[1:43:23] when the money is going to be spent we
[1:43:24] know it's going to be
[1:43:26] spent which timing that's a little what
[1:43:29] is a little
[1:43:31] different and one thing it was mentioned
[1:43:33] here before one thing just to remind
[1:43:35] everybody if we do any annexations
[1:43:37] There's an opportunity
[1:43:40] too it's going to cost you to come to
[1:43:42] down correct don't mean to put it
[1:43:44] bluntly but it's going to cost you to
[1:43:46] come to
[1:43:48] town well and I think it should cost to
[1:43:51] come to town because honestly
[1:43:52] everything's
[1:43:53] otherwise right so we can't we can't we
[1:43:55] can't bring somebody the town into the
[1:43:58] town and exacerbate the problem and and make this make the problem worse
[1:44:03] without making them a part of the
[1:44:05] solution not a bigger part of the
[1:44:07] problem
[1:44:09] correct
[1:44:11] right um additional
[1:44:16] comments do we want to give direction
[1:44:20] because this was just discussion as far
[1:44:21] as
[1:44:25] what we might want to see I think we did
[1:44:27] agree all of us 36% would stay I just
[1:44:30] want to clarify it because we kind of
[1:44:32] for this year throughout this year the
[1:44:34] FY through FY 25 yeah and then after
[1:44:39] that so do we want to bring
[1:44:44] back we're going to need an amended
[1:44:46] ordinance right but but but we're going
[1:44:49] to need that between now and
[1:44:50] about May so I so for Budget purposes we typically really start diving into
[1:44:56] the
[1:44:57] budget March
[1:44:59] one um so my recommendation would be any decision you want to make on water
[1:45:05] rates would need to be done no later
[1:45:07] than the end of
[1:45:09] March um so we have time to really work
[1:45:11] the
[1:45:12] numbers so we need to schedule second
[1:45:15] meeting for March already so you could
[1:45:16] do a second meeting in March or a second
[1:45:18] meeting in in we're gonna want to do it
[1:45:19] sooner that because we're going want to
[1:45:20] see a draft we're going to see a draft
[1:45:23] we say right we're short on time right
[1:45:26] so I and I also would want to think let
[1:45:27] me add something to it before I forget
[1:45:29] it um if we're going to review the rates
[1:45:32] I also think you know it's
[1:45:34] not raise everything or raise nothing I
[1:45:37] think we should you know allow to be
[1:45:39] we're raising just the consumption rate
[1:45:42] or just the meter rate or both and that be both in water and
[1:45:48] sewer right you could look at your basic
[1:45:50] rate your your um ready to serve rates
[1:45:55] yeah or and you can also look at your
[1:45:57] overage rates um right but but it's just
[1:46:01] that I don't want to make it to where
[1:46:02] it's one or the other All or Nothing
[1:46:05] yeah all or nothing you know we have
[1:46:06] flexibility we we we can adjust just the
[1:46:11] so if you're gonna look at all that I
[1:46:12] would I think you need to start in
[1:46:14] February so maybe we can bring
[1:46:18] um clar or um somebody inate I don't
[1:46:23] know have a discussion so they can come
[1:46:24] back with a draft ordinance or
[1:46:26] something so we don't have to give
[1:46:28] guidance as far as what we'd like to see
[1:46:31] yet until February I mean like we kind
[1:46:33] of hatched it out a rough draft but do
[1:46:36] we have to give direction and say to
[1:46:37] work on it in the meantime that's all
[1:46:39] I'm asking but I mean that that's the overall you could even start
[1:46:43] with your discussion in January you
[1:46:45] could you could have it a discussion
[1:46:47] give direction and then come back with
[1:46:50] something to really work on meat and
[1:46:52] potatoes and February um I think we
[1:46:56] should just have water done by itself
[1:46:59] not schedule other things with it get it
[1:47:01] all done take care of kind like you do
[1:47:03] for the budget yeah I mean because the second meeting
[1:47:08] should go quickly if we already have a
[1:47:09] rough draft but then I guess that's with
[1:47:12] Clark there you would need a public
[1:47:13] hearing then right before you actually
[1:47:15] adopt it right but not for the draft not draft and discussion
[1:47:20] no right right just just the
[1:47:23] final
[1:47:25] okay so then so then we want to just get
[1:47:28] direction then it says to to schedule
[1:47:30] for a mid-month workshop in January to
[1:47:34] discuss water rates based off the
[1:47:37] discussion we had tonight yes all
[1:47:48] right Tuesdays we Tuesdays
[1:47:53] what you Avid any day but Monday not the
[1:47:56] third Monday third Monday this we
[1:48:00] know all right Miss Willis did you have
[1:48:03] enough Direction based on that okay all
[1:48:06] right any further
[1:48:08] comments questions no all
[1:48:13] right
[1:48:15] then we we don't need to vote on that
[1:48:18] because we're just giving guidance and
[1:48:20] consensus so correct no
[1:48:23] we're good all
[1:48:28] right I lost my
[1:48:33] flow yeah but I took the there it
[1:48:37] is your December meeting is gonna be on
[1:48:39] Tuesday that correct correct yes I say I
[1:48:43] don't think I'm gonna be it's possible I
[1:48:45] make zoom in but reception where I'm
[1:48:47] going is not very good trust me so we're
[1:48:50] going to set the agenda for December you
[1:48:55] actually are you still going to have
[1:48:56] your November
[1:48:58] 18th workshop at
[1:49:00] 6:30 pm oh you weren't here
[1:49:07] yes that was the mayor's
[1:49:12] idea
[1:49:14] Bud
[1:49:20] um uh first item was discussion related to ordinance 2409 amending town
[1:49:25] code to allow and establish requirements
[1:49:28] for student
[1:49:29] housing and then number two was
[1:49:31] discussion related to ordinance
[1:49:33] 24-10 amending town code to establish a
[1:49:36] rental registration
[1:49:39] program right we just we had um we
[1:49:43] wanted to Workshop
[1:49:45] it and I believe your applicant and his
[1:49:48] attorney will be here again as well as
[1:49:51] Miss pal
[1:49:54] it's just
[1:49:56] discussion
[1:50:00] right
[1:50:01] okay and that is a
[1:50:04] Monday that is a Monday it's not the
[1:50:06] third Monday though right yeah that's
[1:50:07] fine I don't have anything oh that's
[1:50:09] right that's right you you were off that
[1:50:10] day remember he made us jump through
[1:50:12] hoops J yes and I was so scarred by not
[1:50:15] the third Monday the meeting gets cancel
[1:50:17] that helps me out too so yeah okay um
[1:50:21] yeah so that works and then December
[1:50:24] meeting do we have okay so then December
[1:50:27] 3D town meeting um administrative
[1:50:31] business will be an update on the
[1:50:33] leadline service inventory
[1:50:36] project um I will have final numbers and
[1:50:40] letters have to go out by November 15th
[1:50:43] and we'll have some more updates by then
[1:50:45] uh for consent agenda for consideration
[1:50:48] reappoint Jack poot to Parks and
[1:50:50] Recreation committee with term of
[1:50:53] December 2nd 2024 to December 2nd
[1:51:00] 2026 and then I have five agenda items
[1:51:04] number one would be review review and
[1:51:07] approval of design bid for the West Main
[1:51:10] Street and wesboro Pike waterline
[1:51:12] replacement project for
[1:51:15] consideration number two would be for
[1:51:17] consideration approve or reject the
[1:51:21] request from Mr Robert a Fritz Jr to
[1:51:24] acquire a RightWay from the town's
[1:51:26] property on Hampton Valley
[1:51:30] Road number three for consideration
[1:51:33] approval of resolution
[1:51:47] 2024-25
[1:51:50] r nonprofit payment plan plan for water
[1:51:53] and sewer connection
[1:51:56] fees and then number five U for
[1:51:59] consideration approval of bid for the
[1:52:02] town of emmittsburg sewer line camera
[1:52:06] project
[1:52:11] okay um and I know we discussed a
[1:52:16] workshop in
[1:52:17] December for the FY 24 audit
[1:52:20] presentation
[1:52:22] and the discussion related to Water and
[1:52:24] Sewer connection
[1:52:28] fees and speaking with the Auditors they
[1:52:30] would pref they are available on the 9th
[1:52:34] oh gosh that's week December between
[1:52:38] tree lighting a regular town meeting
[1:52:41] Monday oh my
[1:52:45] goodness that is completely up to you
[1:52:48] guys H it sounded like a good idea at
[1:52:51] the time but
[1:52:53] December's busy do we have to have this
[1:52:56] workshop for the Auditors I can push
[1:52:59] them till January it's typically when
[1:53:02] they come in January they typically they
[1:53:04] come in
[1:53:05] January commissioner Hoover I know you
[1:53:07] were out we were talking about that
[1:53:09] second meeting in December and it you
[1:53:12] said it was for presentation for the
[1:53:14] Auditors and then we were going to
[1:53:16] potentially look at Water and Sewer
[1:53:18] connection fees connection fees I'm
[1:53:20] thinking
[1:53:23] it sounded good at the time and now it
[1:53:25] doesn't sound so good because they can
[1:53:27] only meet on December 9th which would
[1:53:28] put like tree lighting regular town
[1:53:31] meeting and the workshop like in the
[1:53:33] span of seven
[1:53:34] [Music]
[1:53:36] days and it's a holiday month I would
[1:53:39] like to
[1:53:42] postpone
[1:53:47] thoughts we're going to meet at 4:30 now
[1:53:50] amm
[1:53:53] January's fine with me for the thank you
[1:53:56] commissioner
[1:53:57] higen yeah I'd go to
[1:53:59] January commissioner
[1:54:06] Hoover you want to push through December
[1:54:08] into December 9th I want to hear it from
[1:54:10] your lips is that what you
[1:54:11] want works for me I'm not gonna be here
[1:54:13] December 3D my God here we go let's
[1:54:16] postpone until January please works for
[1:54:18] me all
[1:54:20] right all right thank you um do we have
[1:54:25] to vote on to accept the agenda I think
[1:54:28] we already did once but do we vote again
[1:54:30] to accept the agenda for December 3r oh
[1:54:33] you haven't done December 3rd yet wait
[1:54:35] what did we just do or did you I don't
[1:54:38] think you approved the agenda did you
[1:54:40] December 3D no we didn't all okay no we
[1:54:42] did you did the workshop on the 18th
[1:54:44] though right yeah right so is there a
[1:54:46] motion to approve the agenda for
[1:54:48] December
[1:54:49] 3D uh thank you is there a second second
[1:54:53] any further discussion all in favor
[1:54:55] please say I I I motion carries uh four
[1:55:00] to one
[1:55:02] absent and with that we come to a close
[1:55:07] is there a motion to adjourn the
[1:55:10] meeting I moved thank you is there a
[1:55:13] second seconded thank you further
[1:55:15] discussion I can't imagine all right all
[1:55:18] in favor please say I motion car carries um 4 to one absent
[1:55:26] and the meeting is adjourned at
[1:55:31] 8:57
[1:55:33] p.m. thank you everyone