[0:02] to do an organizational thing at the
beginning. So
[0:06] Carrie is unsure on how to do this, but
I'm just going to say I'm just going to
[0:08] tell Carrie what to Carrie, we need a
motion to appoint a chair or have
[0:13] somebody make a motion to appoint a
chair because we we appointed Cassie
[0:18] temporarily for that day.
>> I was the one before. Um so yeah, so you
[0:24] just say those words. So, we need a
motion for council to appoint a chair.
[0:29] » I can't see either one you want. Well,
somebody's got to nominate me then.
[0:32] » Well,
nominate you. I don't have a clue
[0:38] about this.
>> Okay. Um,
[0:41] » okay. And then somebody move nomination
two or three times you ask. Okay. So,
[0:47] you ask if there's any other
nominations.
[0:48] » Is there any other nominations?
>> No.
[0:52] » Any other nominations?
>> No. Anybody saying I move cease?
[0:57] » You have to say I move nomination cease.
>> I move nomination cease.
[1:01] » Okay. So, I'm acting chair for today.
Um, I'll go with that.
[1:07] If I did it wrong, I did it wrong and
I'm very sorry to the public. Um, but
[1:13] yeah, because I do know that we had to
do that last time. Now, let me get
[1:20] PC thing popped up.
[1:25] members.
Now
[1:30] we will be looking at two MPC items.
[1:36] Um
yes. So I'm going to call them. Okay.
[1:41] Done. Adoption of the Janet. Okay. Need
a motion to adopt the agenda.
[1:47] » I'll make a motion to adopt agenda.
>> All in favor?
[1:52] Okay. Development planning matters.
Okay. So, I am
[1:57] okay. I need my two screens. Okay. So,
the first one up.
[2:07] Okay. First one on the agenda is uh
village of empress is doing there has
[2:14] been a complaint put in and um
premises include a structure which
[2:20] extends beyond the rear parcel of that
line that impedes traffic in the public
[2:24] lane parcel. Now I see that the name of
the complaintant is actually on the
[2:30] board. You're going to have to recuse
yourself, right?
[2:35] » I don't have to leave. I just can't vote
on that.
[2:37] » You just can't vote on it. You just say
you're recusing yourself from voting.
[2:42] » Excuse myself from voting.
>> Okay, perfect. Okay. Okay. Now
[2:49] look at this
and
[2:54] I need
>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Sorry, I got the lawyer
[2:58] on the other Sorry, I got the other one
on the other page.
[3:03] Okay, let's put this thing so that I I'm
trying to do it in order. I'm sorry,
[3:07] guys. We are just It's a mess. So, let's
open another phone.
[3:16] Okay,
hold on. Let me open it up twice. Let's
[3:21] do it this way then.
Yes, I wanted a paper and I didn't think
[3:26] we get a paper.
So, we're going to go with this. Okay,
[3:31] there's the picture.
[3:35] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[3:36] » Okay. And there's another one.
>> If I had downloaded them, I could have
[3:41] turned them around, but
>> Yes.
[3:43] » So, you can see the alley
>> and the whole bit.
[3:46] » Oh, this is the alley right here.
>> Yes.
[3:48] » Yeah.
>> Shed sits right in the
[3:51] » If there was another property on the
other side, you'd probably be
[3:56] encroaching just driving around the
shed.
[3:59] regardless how long it's been there.
Probably not make it around the third,
[4:03] too.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, I just want to follow
[4:06] process.
Okay. So, we introduce a matter being
[4:11] heard.
Move into the thing um reports
[4:16] administration reports and questions
from the board. We don't have anything
[4:20] there. So, now applicant thing. So the
applicant is invited to present their
[4:26] application
>> and he is not here.
[4:30] » Okay. So let me just second. So if he's
not here. Yeah, I know.
[4:34] » No, I know.
>> I'm trying to follow the format. Sorry.
[4:38] » I wish we weren't Oh, well recording
this because this makes it even worse.
[4:42] Okay, so at this time they make their
app make their stuff. Um like to respond
[4:48] if no clarifications. I don't have any
clarification questions because I can't
[4:53] ask him. Um, okay. So, example. So, now
we have to hear from the other side.
[5:00] » Hang on. Mike, I think something
>> for foreign male side.
[5:05] » Yeah. Okay. So,
I just spoke to him. I wanted to speak
[5:09] to him before council
word of mouth.
[5:12] » Yes. Not word of mouth. Well, face to
face. Anyways, I talked to Neil. He said
[5:17] he doesn't have any issue taking it
down. He just doesn't want to be pushed
[5:22] to take it down in the next 30 days or
60 days.
[5:26] » So, he'd like some time.
[5:31] » How much time would he need time frame?
>> Yeah.
[5:34] » I don't know. Say three months cuz I'm
going to be the one taking it down by
[5:38] the way.
>> So, how much time do you need?
[5:41] » Uses it for anything.
>> No, he's got two bikes in there and some
[5:45] Yeah.
>> useless wood. So anyways, he's in poor
[5:48] health. Um
said he can't afford the fence for the
[5:53] back. So I'm going to take it down and
put the fence up, whatever he needs for
[5:56] fence and move all his into his
yard.
[5:59] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[6:01] » So you can say no variance or you can
say variance with a time limit that
[6:07] would be acceptable to him
>> on the other side.
[6:12] » Okay. Okay. That's good. We'll say
that's that's it and presentation. Okay,
[6:16] now we're invited to date something from
somebody else.
[6:20] » The only reason I'm here is because he's
asking for a variant.
[6:23] » Okay.
>> And I don't see that it's necessary.
[6:27] It's infringing on the back lane. We
just had a big fire. I don't know that a
[6:33] fire truck and emergency vehicles could
get down there. We've had in the past,
[6:38] Don's brother had a big fifth wheel and
he comes through the back lane and he
[6:42] scored his tires and his rim trying to
get by it and
[6:47] » you know a fire truck hasn't got the
same ability. There's two big power
[6:51] poles on the other side so you can't
even
[6:54] » Yeah.
>> So I just don't see that a variance is
[6:57] needed
>> that structure
[7:01] that would have been there from the
previous owner.
[7:03] » Yes.
>> That's been there forever. Yeah. Before
[7:06] we moved there. No. Well, maybe before
we moved there, but
[7:10] » later John Mark made a shelter because
he wanted to keep his wood dry. Move it
[7:14] into your yard. I don't see that there's
a problem.
[7:19] » Yeah. Exactly.
>> So that's why I don't see that a
[7:21] variance even need it. Why would we bend
the rules for something we don't need?
[7:26] » Yeah. Exactly.
>> I'm I'm fine if if and I know that Mike
[7:30] had talked to him before
>> that he offered to clear it out for him.
[7:34] I thought that was more than fair. And
then I see this request for a variance
[7:38] and I'm like, well,
>> so the funny thing was the variance was
[7:43] suggested by Jerry.
>> We'll just not worry about it then.
[7:48] » Yeah. So,
>> excuse me.
[7:51] » So, I'm
I'm
[7:55] I signed.
>> Yeah. Well, because we had some concerns
[7:59] and there there's a whole bunch of stuff
that's behind there. Not just a shed.
[8:03] There's a whole bunch of railroad ties.
>> Yeah.
[8:05] » Quite frankly, I think
I think his his shed with windows
[8:13] » Mhm.
>> is right on the property.
[8:16] » It's very close to the property.
>> Street on the south side, but not care
[8:21] about that.
>> Don't care about But but um
[8:28] » it it does. It's way too far into the
lane and it's
[8:31] » Yeah. And he's got a big yard.
>> He does.
[8:33] » Put it inside. And I I don't know
why it's it's out there. I guess it just
[8:40] never got moved, but there's no point in
getting a variance. It's going to be
[8:43] tagged to the title.
>> Y
[8:45] » and then he's going to sell it and then
we're stuck with it. So just don't even
[8:49] do it.
>> Yeah.
[8:51] » And he's fine with not having variance.
I'm I'm good.
[8:55] » Okay. Well, this is an easy one then.
Um, I know when I looked it over, um, my
[9:01] thoughts were I had to take my mayor hat
off. My thoughts went to and no, sorry,
[9:07] pardon me, part of my mayor's hat was on
because looking towards the future,
[9:12] we've run into issues like this before
where we've had alleys blocked and we
[9:17] create a new alley. And if anybody knows
me, they all know what I'm talking
[9:20] about. So, um, to me, in order to avoid
this, I was willing to work with him and
[9:28] see, and I wish he wish he would been
here to see if he was willing to, um,
[9:33] have some time to take it down and get
in compliant.
[9:36] » Um, that's the way I was leaning. If uh,
3 months is fine, I am perfectly fine
[9:42] with that.
>> Um, I don't think I have to go through
[9:45] all the rest because look, we've come to
an agreement. So, I can make a motion.
[9:51] Okay, let's just check. Listen to this.
Purpose blah blah blah bindings. Trying
[9:56] to make sure I do all this correctly.
Okay. So, how about I just put a motion
[10:02] out on the table that we allow um Mr.
Sutherland,
[10:08] let's see, today is June 18th. We can
give them till what? September 30th.
[10:18] Is that enough time? September 30th.
Yeah.
[10:20] » You think that'll work?
>> Okay. We can give them to September 30th
[10:24] to become compliant with
the
[10:30] » Yeah.
>> No, pardon me.
[10:35] » Which means all the material
>> then slide back has to be
[10:39] » Yes.
>> By September.
[10:41] » And we are we are only concerned about
the
[10:44] » Oh, no. Don't even add that to that. No.
>> No.
[10:47] » Allow Mr. Southerntherland to become
compliant with land use bylaw by
[10:51] September 30th by removal of the shed
>> by removing of the shed.
[10:56] » Miscellaneous
wood and stuff like that. He's got some
[10:59] bikes and he's got
>> a cover.
[11:02] » It's a covered structure.
>> Structure.
[11:04] » Structure.
>> And debris.
[11:08] » Yes. And debris.
[11:12] » Debris.
>> Okay. Remove
[11:20] and per this. Cool.
>> Now you want to read that back to us.
[11:24] No.
>> Did I just
[11:26] heard something?
>> Okay. Allow him to become compliant with
[11:32] land use bylaw by September 30th by
removing removal of the structure and
[11:37] debris.
>> Well,
[11:40] that's debris.
by removal of structure and debris which
[11:44] includes railway ties.
>> Yeah.
[11:49] » To comply with
>> to be in competitor.
[11:55] » Dave, did you have something to say?
>> Yes.
[11:57] » Change the word to breed of materials.
>> Material material.
[12:00] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[12:02] » And no extensions
>> without extensions.
[12:06] » Cuz if something happens to Mike, guess
what? We're going to have an extension.
[12:10] » Yeah. You really can't see the rest of
the stuff with this picture, but
[12:14] » there's a pile of it there behind it.
>> Big law, too.
[12:18] » You recused yourself.
>> You changed.
[12:21] » And in all fairness to Neil, that isn't
even his stuff.
[12:24] » You know, he inherited it.
>> He inherited it. Yeah.
[12:27] » And I did talk to administration when
John Mark put that up to jail. Now's a
[12:32] good time to remove it.
>> So, now's the time to do it.
[12:36] » Now is the time to do it.
>> Yeah.
[12:39] » We're trying. I mean, enforcement is
going to be a pain, but we'll we're
[12:42] going to try and get by.
>> So, I made that motion.
[12:46] » May I read it back?
>> Sure.
[12:48] » Allow Mr. Is it Southerntherland or
Sunland?
[12:51] » Sunderland.
>> Good. Because I wrote Sunderland. Okay.
[12:54] » To become compliant with land use bylaw
by removal of the structure and material
[12:59] without extensions by September 30th.
>> You can even put that I volunteer to
[13:04] take it down, but it's on record. So,
happy. Period.
[13:09] And that's back alley. No.
>> Yeah. Do we I don't know. I mean, we
[13:14] could put it in there, but we don't.
>> No. I think for the motion, that's all
[13:18] you would
>> probably for the motion. That's probably
[13:20] all we need. Okay. All in favor?
Carried.
[13:28] Awesome.
Thank you. Okay. Next one up.
[13:36] » Oh. Uh
okay. So,
[13:42] » okay. Next one up is a variance for a
front yard retaining wall. Um
[13:51] they are asking for Let me see here.
Premise isn't Oh, frick. Wrong one.
[14:00] Okay. Where is the other one?
Well, I know I see the picture, but I'm
[14:05] I'm looking at the the words
[14:10] retaining wall.
[14:14] So, I'm just
[14:20] Did I go too fast?
I don't know.
[14:25] Obviously, the retaining wall wasn't in
here very well.
[14:30] Know about it. We're just going to go
with this. Okay. So approvectionary.
[14:42] Okay. Varian for a front retaining wall.
Uh purpose of this is to um give them
[14:48] background. Um I'm actually just going
to request that the um
[14:55] » applicant
>> applicant sorry applicant present the
[14:58] case.
>> This is my house. Y
[15:01] » when I bought it, there was already a
retaining wall in the front yard.
[15:05] » There's approximately 6 to 10 in between
my retaining wall and the sidewalk
[15:10] » that does nothing but collect weeds and
nastiness. That retaining wall is very
[15:17] thick and very old. It still has
structural value. It's holding up my
[15:22] yard, but it is starting to degate
certainly one side of it. And so rocks
[15:26] keep dripping off of the sidewalk. I
would like to repair that wall without
[15:31] having to remove what's already there.
It's it's good old concrete. They used
[15:36] to throw all kinds of metal and crap in
there.
[15:39] » So, the structure is okay, but
aesthetically it looks pretty crappy.
[15:43] So, if I was to put a new retaining wall
face on it, I'm actually encroaching a
[15:48] few in over the property line between my
wall and the sidewalk. It's not useful
[15:54] for anything else, and I would like to
make it look better. So, I'm asking for
[15:58] permission to encroach those few inches
to repair that wall without having to
[16:03] remove it entirely.
>> Does that make sense?
[16:07] » It does.
>> Okay.
[16:08] » It'll look like my wall.
>> It will look like my wall.
[16:15] » So, yes. Okay. Any other people have
anything to add to this? Does anybody
[16:20] want to look at the pictures? that
everybody has seen Charlotte or I mean
[16:23] sorry
>> curious how come that's so green and
[16:26] everything else is not
>> I don't know she hasn't used enough
[16:29] water
>> trip photography
[16:30] » that's
[16:35] yeah
>> show that that was just a small little
[16:38] strip
>> that's okay
[16:42] » yeah no
>> does anybody want to say four do I four
[16:47] well no
>> or you want to go again
[16:48] » make a comment
>> normally
[16:52] Um, in Calgary, if the city's property
line, say they have a 8ft easement, I
[16:58] can build whatever I want on it.
>> Yeah.
[17:00] » But, um, if I have,
if Calvary comes in and says, I have to
[17:06] go to this 8ft line and trench, whatever
I have gets ripped up and it's my cost
[17:11] to repair it.
>> Okay.
[17:14] Just something to think about. Yeah.
Okay.
[17:18] Cool. There are no lines that go under
that wall.
[17:22] » No, there is none.
>> Your water is through the driveway. That
[17:26] which I do know.
>> So, um, does anybody else have anything
[17:31] to say for and against?
[17:38] » Exactly. Um I do know that um report
back was not it was not um a hinder
[17:46] nint.
Um I just wished I could find the rest
[17:51] of this. It must not have downloaded
everything. Go to the email. I actually
[17:56] don't have a problem with this. Really?
I don't. I mean I have a rock wall too.
[18:01] So
>> I have no problem.
[18:03] » Whatever is done there will improve the
look of the whole thing.
[18:06] » It will.
>> Yeah.
[18:07] » I mean it will. Um, I do know mine is
very close to that line, too. So, and
[18:14] it's not it's not going to affect the
sidewalk, not trees. The boulevard is
[18:20] still another, you know, 6 ft.
>> He's just trying to he's trying to fix
[18:23] it, make it look better. There's nothing
wrong with that.
[18:25] » Yeah. I mean, it's failing.
Um, so, you know, that's approximately
[18:32] Okay. How old am I? This is
approximately worth um almost 50 years
[18:35] of cement that it's been there. Explain
because I used to babysit in that house.
[18:40] It's been there for
>> Could be more. I'm just saying how I'm
[18:44] just pretending I'm younger than I am.
It's been 50 years. Okay, we'll go with
[18:48] that.
>> Was built in 1918.
[18:50] » Yeah. So,
>> wow.
[18:51] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, needless to say, it uh needs
[18:57] to be No, I'm perfectly fine with it.
>> Yeah, I'm good with this.
[19:00] » Okay. So, we need a motion to approve
this. If there is no other conversation
[19:05] » I'll make a motion we have accept this
>> he can't on this one.
[19:13] Yeah. So Leo made a motion to approve
the variance I think is the correct
[19:20] terminology right?
>> Yes it I guess.
[19:23] » Yeah you know
exactly.
[19:27] » Yeah 6 to 10 inches. All in favor
carried.
[19:33] Okay, that is the end of this meeting.
We are adjourned at 10:20. Holy crap.
[19:41] Nicely done.