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All right, good evening, everyone. Welcome to the September 3rd meeting of the planning commission. With that, we'll take a roll call. We let the record reflected all five commissioners are present. And we'll start with the pledge of allegiance tonight.

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Oral communications, are there any speaker slips? We have none this evening. Okay.

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Any changes to the agenda tonight.

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But first I will be the consent calendar.

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the consent calendar is considered items are considered routine in nature.

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Tonight there's only one item on the consent calendar the approval of the

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minutes from the August 20th planning commission hearing. Can I get a motion on

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the consent calendar?

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I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Motion in a second.

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There we go. Okay the consent calendar passes 5-0 and we'll move right into our

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regular agenda items tonight. We'll start tonight with item 8A, the planning commission

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determination of general plan conformance for the purchase of property located at 2883

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Loan Jack Road for the potential development of a new fire station. With that, prior to

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this, are there any disclosures by planning commissioners?

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No disclosures, I won, I buy it three times a day, with that I'll turn it over to Denise

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Russell for a staff presentation.

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Actually, we have the director online, via phone, the presentation, sorry, put you on the

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spot.

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Good evening, Sarah Dalton, listeners, hopefully you can hear me.

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Yes, we can hear you.

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wonderful. I apologize for not being there tonight. My plans for flying to the Midwest were made

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before this effort to a participation. So again, I very much apologize for not being in

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this person.

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I'll get right into it. I have a super short presentation and it's not, it will take

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Again, very long at all, it will follow up with any answers.

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If you need to ask any questions about the data.

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This project is for the termination that is required by the state 7.

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These codes before a public agency can acquire a property.

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In this case, the property is located at 28.83 with a jack road,

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and is anticipated to be used to replace the current fire station 6

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and the O'Leven Hut Community.

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The planning commissioner has a limited review for state law

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and only has to determine if the proposed acquisition

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is consistent with the general plan

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in regard to the purpose, location, and extent.

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The office is recommending that the planning submission

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make the state required finding pursuant

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to the analysis provided in the FAF report.

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And it can be noted that any development

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that this property will require future permit approval,

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including both for the design.

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The California Environment of Quality Act,

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CISO will also be considered with use and design.

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That's it.

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Both staff from the Development Service Department

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and our distinguished fire chief are here

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to answer any questions, and this concludes my presentation.

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OK, thank you very much.

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Are there any questions of the staff?

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On the planning commission? One.

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Well, thank you very much. Apologize for your travels. Be well. Josh and Denise, thank you. Shout out for finding a place. I know you've been looking for a long time in the community and it's kind of hard to find one. Just a couple of quick questions. On, in the report, there's a comment about general plan consistency and you reference the safety element goal.

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are there any other references in the general plan other than safety that support

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this? That was the only reference that was made?

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I looked in the safety element,

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the land use element, and a couple other of the elements of some of the

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policies, and it really wasn't losing that hit right on the bulls eye.

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This is

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require property or sell property without even going through the process, but technically

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you are supposed to do it from state law and really what I've found over the years is

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that when you're looking through the general plan from a policy perspective, you're really

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focusing on more on policies that would require that you could just use the property for

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that fire station and acquire it for that use rather than be consistent with the real

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difficult to find out those policies that they, yeah, the little fire station can.

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Clearly, if you look in Sloan of Beach, there's fire stations right there off of Santa

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Faye Drive, next to houses.

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I'm sure there's plenty of fire stations in residential communities across, you know,

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city and or you know local communities and you feel that this is good enough to satisfy

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that code the general of the state law? Yeah absolutely the zoning for the property

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is rural residential floodplain and that zone pursuant to the city's land use matrix actually

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allowed fire stations with the minor commercial use permitted for them.

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Okay.

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And this has, we don't have to acquire any property from the county of San Diego.

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This is all within the city of San Diego.

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So over the last few years,

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there's been some concern about maybe working with the county to acquire some property.

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So this is all within the city.

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There was some other review for other properties to satisfy this need.

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but we came upon this one, and this one, this bike and bike, and I did good at it.

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I did try.

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Okay.

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And then, lastly, this probably not the right time,

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but we're going to approve the process.

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Does this affect Little Oaks Park at all?

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Is the plan in the future has been laid out,

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and you are comfortable knowing that if you go down this path,

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the site can be, I don't know what the correct architectural word cited,

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that the fire station fits and the ingress and egress has been at least looked at in advance

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of coming to the commission. We haven't seen that yet but hopefully we're not going

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down a path on a site that can't handle the needs of the fire department.

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Yeah, correct. I comment and we have looked into it. The property has about 250 feet of

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which is a large distance at some point with the major innovation of the property.

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You could easily provide it in and out, right away, access.

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Having the park located adjacent to it, and it's real helpful from a perspective,

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which is normal impact that might even as light as they are with the forest nation

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to a residential that isn't there so the park is the park makes for a perfect neighbor.

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And then last question, the road narrows right there, coming past the looks park headed

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to I guess we'll call that the northeast.

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And I guess it narrows also coming to the southwest around that bend.

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So you're comfortable in the sighting of the station and the ingress and egress that it's

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not use the phrase a blind curve because it's a pretty narrow road it narrows

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there and it's a tight turn a few feet beyond the house as you and then the road

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opens up 500 feet or so.

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So, after passing the curve. So, has that been taken into consideration as if this site is suitable? Again, we don't have the site plan, so it's hard for me to know. But I just want to ask the question now. Now, that's again an excellent question. We have looked at it from an apparatus perspective. Our apparatus can work within that right away. And it does work even that right away. So, in the blind curve, we've also looked at that from the perspective.

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There's mitigations that we can do from a perspective of painting the street if required put in spout signs, just different type of mitigation for circulation and safety.

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But again, like you said, we don't have a site plan or development plan just developed at this time.

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Right.

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So they'd have the command later point when we get a little further down the road.

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No, I understand.

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I just wanted to make sure that was at least under thought process.

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I'm sure it was, as you know, the site has its physical limitations to it.

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I'm just hoping that that was thought, and these guys like you guys went through it and thought

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about that.

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So I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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couple follow-up questions.

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The first is, how does the square footage of the site compare to the other fire stations

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that we have in town?

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Is it comparable in size to what we have or a figure?

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I haven't driven by that area for a while, but it seems like it's a pretty large piece

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of property.

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Yeah, the property is 23,000, so it's 250 feet fronted, it's a lot of low track like I mentioned, and 100 feet feet.

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As far as comparison to the other fire station, I think I'll leave that question to our fire chief who's very familiar with those other states and locations in the fight.

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So, maybe chief handles our question.

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Yeah, of course, great question.

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The, this site would be more aligned with our station four,

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which is in Village Park, right by 7-11 off of Village Park,

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and not in District right there.

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It's roughly about the same size, a different shape.

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But if you think of station two off of Birmingham,

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that's kind of a narrow lot as well.

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And so we would have to do some kind of design that would be more of that narrow lot-wise,

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but as far as square footage, it aligns a lot with station four in Gochemann.

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And then my understanding is that the current site that we have in Alivanhane on Rancho

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Santa Fe Road is operating off of least land right now.

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Are we in any danger of losing access to that in any time soon?

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No, the property owner there has been very gracious and collaborative with us.

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Right now we have entered into a lease for five years and we are actually going to

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do some tenant improvements to make that a larger fire station until the future permanent

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fire station can be identified.

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Right now this is a property that we're coming in general or to planning commission for, but we have we have plans for that other property off of ranch Santa

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Fey Road for long term to make sure that we can provide the service to the community.

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Okay, thank you.

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And lastly, this takes a while, my understanding is you have to send the plans to the State Board of Architecture and it takes

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well to get this bid, so an ideal world for the community, what can they expect?

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Or plus the budget has to be, I see there are certain members of the City Council here tonight.

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So there has to be a capital plan associated with funding, and we're already trying to figure out how to fund the one-down town.

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So what's the timeline in your best estimation that the community can look at for something like this?

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Well, two things. One is if you look at our this year's work plan for the City Council,

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it is one of the items to find out what our long-term budgeting is for station one and

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station six. And I'll tell you the second thing is I've learned my lesson on giving any

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time frame. I could not tell you what that is. I know that if we do find a piece of property,

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we go through design and permitting and making sure we find a budget, it's going to be

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years down the road right and we're we're planning for that long-term investment not uh

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Not to just find a spot and try to plop down on it, right? So, we want to make sure we're doing our due diligence, making sure that we're planning ahead of time, and that we're not putting the city in a spot where we can't afford it. Thank you. I have one quick question. There's a, seems to be a small triangular parcel of land to the northeast of the site. Is that part of the purchaser is at a different parcel? That's a different parcel. If you look to the other side of the street,

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there with the home. That actually belongs to that piece of property.

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So right now, it's its own property. It's not part of what we're looking at.

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Okay, but you don't need that parcel to make this site.

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No, no, no, no. Okay, thank you.

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Okay, thank you very much for those answers. Are there any public comments on this?

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No, I'm not on this item.

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Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public comment portion and

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I can open it up to Commissioner Deliberation.

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I think really just a reminder, we're only talking about the purchase of land and not the design or the future station that will be there.

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Just do we think it's an appropriate site to purchase.

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Yeah, I mean look, I support the opportunity to buy the property, the community clearly needs it and it's been a priority for the city for many, many years.

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Mayor Ailer is here tonight, lives in the community, knows he's probably heard this conversation for the last 15 to 20 years, and I know Josh is probably, excuse me,

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Fire Chief Gordon has probably had to deal with this for a super long time with all the leases over what we currently have on that temporary spot.

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I mean, this is an important component to the community to actually find a place and get the ball rolling to the next chapter is really important for the community.

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I think for all events in the US because many of the fires come back from which Greek and others came over the hill and having that response time is critical.

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And on an underlying piece of it is also something as simple as fire insurance that people are having.

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A lot of us have been dropped from our insurance companies and having response times narrowed even by half a mile from the existing.

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But I think it's more not just the response time, but the type of trucks that respond.

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I think right now we have a very, the type of truck that we have can't do the kind of work

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that a larger truck can do that can pump water and do some of the various firefighting.

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So it's an important component for the community and I think we'll impact everybody in the

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kind of equipment that we're planning on,

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or the city's planning on doing.

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So, taking a while to get even to this kickoff start,

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this beginning of this next chapter,

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but I think it's a big important step for us.

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Yeah, I definitely recognize that the city's been looking

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at that community to install a fire station.

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And I know they've been looking at that area,

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particularly in the site very closely.

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And so it's nice to see it sort of developing to the stage and moving forward.

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And I think they've done their due diligence in looking at the location and certainly

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in support of it moving forward.

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Okay.

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I would agree that it's important for us to have something that is a fully functional

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fire station for the area there.

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Development going east from there has in the year 25 years I've lived here has just continued

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to grow.

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So even if it's just a mile or so from where the station is now turning on

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tarantulasan if they rode, it's probably harder to get to go east than being

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over on Loan Jack a bit. So it feels like it would make response time a little

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bit better. I've been up in Palo Alto area when they have fire trucks come and

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there's so much traffic on those old roads that the fire trucks drive down the

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opposite side of the street which is when you're stuck there in traffic it's very

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scary so this seems like a good place to look at seeing what can be done so that for hopefully

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never but hopefully if something does come up that the fire department is able to do a

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quicker response. Okay, Michael, any comments? No comment, I'm also in support of this project.

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Why don't we move to a motion? Yeah, you know, one last thing is applaud the city and the

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staff Josh and everybody the fact that we are still able to find a site and keep little

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loaks park. I know it's a small place but it is used by the community. It is a horse driven

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community and that park is used quite a bit every now and then it gets a little hard and needs

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it be dragged, but nonetheless it's there.

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It is you. So, the fact that we were able to find something and still maintain public park and open space for the community is just even more kind of gravy. Thank you.

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I guess the next point is the motion to approve. I'd like to make a motion to approve. Well, we'll, we'll say, and I'll second that. Okay. I'm seeing a motion in a second. I'll call the vote.

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Okay. That passes 5-0.

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Okay. Our next item tonight is item 8-B.

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the pi-may residences, case number multi-008-091-2025.

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Are there any disclosures by commissioners?

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I drive by it a lot on my way to the BH.

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So I'm familiar with what the site is.

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Where the site is located.

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I can see it from my home.

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That particular location from the East Angle.

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I drove by it a few minutes ago.

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Okay.

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Thank you guys.

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with that, this one is being presented to us by, sorry, Christina Bustamonte.

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Good evening, commissioners, members of the public.

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My name is Christina Bustamonte. I'll be presenting this project this evening.

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This project is for the demolition of an existing single-family residence

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and the construction of a two-story duplex with a basement

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and an attached garage for each unit.

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A duplex is a two attached single family residence on one legal law.

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Unit 1 features 2447 square feet of living area, 285 square feet of deck area, and 410 square

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feet of garage.

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Unit number 2 features 2454 square feet of living area, 291 square feet of deck area, and

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400 and 10 feet for a garage.

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The project is located within the old Incinita's District.

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The project is surrounded to the north, east, and south

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by a mix of commercial and residential land uses.

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Into the west, a mix of commercial, residential uses,

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and moonlight beach.

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The project requires the following permits,

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design review permit for construction of a duplex,

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landscaping and site improvements,

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a cost of development permit for the review of compliance for local cost of

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program.

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The subject property is owned residential 15 which allows for a

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maximum building height of two stories and 22 feet measured to the top of

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roof above the exterior building wall and 26 feet measured to the peak of a

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pitched roof with a minimum of a 312 pitch. The height of the proposed structure is

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measured from the lower of the existing or proposed grade. The maximum building height

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for unit 1 is 20 feet 1 ¾ inches from the building edge to the top of the roof material

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and 22 feet 6 inches to the top of ridge. The maximum building height for unit 2 is 21 feet

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and 9 inches to the top of roof material above the exterior wall and 25 feet 11 inches to the top

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of the roof material at the ridge.

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Reposed project complies with all height regulations and a condition of approval has been added

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to require a height certification from a license, land surveyor during construction to demonstrate

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compliance with the plans and height limitations.

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Project features two-story duplex with decks on the first and second floor and exterior materials

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such as seam, metal roof, wood, and facet and trim, glass guardrails, horizontal

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wood sighting, cement plaster, porcelain tile, and aluminum clad windows and

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doors. The project features similar size, massing colors and materials with the

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existing neighborhood and will maintain the existing desirable character of the

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neighborhood.

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Unit 1 has a front yard setback of 19 feet and six inches, a rear yard

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setback of 25 feet, 5 and a half inches, and a north side yard setback of 5 feet. Unit

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2 has a front yard setback of 24 feet, 7 inches, a rear yard setback of 20 feet and a self

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The project proposes a 2006 square foot basement, living area for unit number one and two. The basement area within the duplex qualifies as a basement as per incident as municipal code, pursuant to the municipal code definition of a basement, one half of the perimeter of the basement is less than or equal to four feet above the lower of the natural orphanage grade as defined.

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defined by instantivism as code.

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Additionally, for the purposes of building

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conformance with the two-story code limitation,

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the qualifying basements do not count as a story.

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And the structures, as proposed, are two-story with a basement.

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The basement features two bedrooms, two bathrooms,

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a laundry room, and a bonus room.

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The first story of each unit features a bedroom, a bathroom,

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a walk-in closet, a two-car garage, and a patio.

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A second story features a living room, a dining room,

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a kitchen, a bedroom, and a deck.

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This is the west elevation, which is also the front of these homes.

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This is the east elevation, which is also the rear of these homes.

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This is the south elevation, which will be one of the sides.

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And this is the North elevation, which will be the other side.

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A landscape plan is required for new construction projects with an aggregate landscape area equal

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to are greater than 500 square feet demonstrating compliance with Incinitas Municipal Co-Chapter 2326 water efficient landscape regulations.

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The project includes 708 square feet of on-site landscape area, and 499 square feet of off-site landscape area located within the right of way, for a total of 1,207 square feet of landscape area.

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A newly adopted chapter 2327 native plants went into effect on May 15th, 2026, is

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applicable to this site, which requires 50% of the total landscape area of the

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project site planted with Southern California native plants. Plant pallet

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consists of 90% of native plant types. The project is located within the R15

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zone, which is considered a higher density single family and multifamily residential zone.

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This zone requires 30 trees per net acre as part of the project's landscaping.

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And this site is required to provide four trees.

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The project is providing six trees and

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complies with underlying landscape requirements as well as the native plant ordinance.

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Applicant held a citizen participation program meeting at the project site.

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In accordance with the municipal code on March 14th, five members of the public attended

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the meeting, a resident brought up concerns regarding the retaining wall that's located

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along the southern property line of the subject parcel between the two residential developments.

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The applicant has responded in both the applicant and the neighbor or in conversations about

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that retaining wall and will continue to work together as the project continues through construction.

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Notice of this public hearing was mailed on August 20th, 2026 to all property owners and occupants within 500 feet of the project site and to anyone who requested such notice and writing.

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No other comments were received during the public noticing period other than the same neighbor that commented during the citizen participation program.

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The

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project has been determined to be exempt from environmental review,

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pursuing to California Environmental Quality Act guidelines section 15301I,

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which exempts the demolition of one single-family residence and 15303A,

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which exempts the construction of small structures, including a duplex.

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The proposed project with conditions incorporated is consistent with the objectives

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and policies of the general plan and local coastal plan and demonstrates compliance

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with the applicable sections of the Incinitas Municipal Code and objective design standards

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in the Incinitas design standards and guidelines document.

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The findings can be made to support the project, therefore staff recommends approval of the

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design review permit and coastal development permit.

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Thank you for your time, myself, and the applicant are available for questions.

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Thank you, Christina.

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Are there any questions of the staff?

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Commissioner Whitaker.

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Yes, thank you for the report. We just today, the Commission received some public communication regarding the project. And I don't know if it's an appropriate time for that, but if I could just ask about it. I was just curious, there seemed to be approximately 11 items or so that were outlined concerns and requests.

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And I was just wondering like how much of that is actionable by the commission.

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All right, so it's a good question.

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It's question that the resident that sent the comments also asked.

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Many of these items that have been brought up in the comments are standard practice for

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us.

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They will be items that will get reviewed during the construction document review phase.

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So when the building permit comes in, the grading permit comes in, these items will get reviewed.

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There are some items on here related to costs and who is to be burdened with the costs.

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That is not something that the city would take an action on, or would create a condition

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of approval of, because it's on private property, and that's something that is a civil matter

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that will be between the owners.

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And so that's very general, very broad about this.

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The other things that I would say is that we have a lot of standards in place that speak to these things and so we would not necessarily add conditions of approval to the project because they're already standard practice.

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So that's very, very general but if you have more specific questions, I'd be happy to answer those.

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No, it's just time.

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Thank you for-

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Mr. Chair, I could add to that to your point, what can you do with essentially any type

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of public comment?

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It all goes to what you're here to do as your job as a planning commission, and that

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is make the findings in the resolution.

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And so if any of that that's in the staff report, I'm sorry, it was staff report, public comment

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And those comment letters goes to affect your findings, one of those mandatory findings that you need to make, that's where it will be applied.

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But as far as addressing those 11 points in the letter, I think you're really referring to, it's not your job.

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It's not the city's job to resolve those things.

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and I was probably saying many of those are private landowner to landowner type dispute issues

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that you're not here to mediate essentially. So when it comes to a finding

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that's what you're here to do is act as a judge and whether or not those findings could be made.

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Are

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there any other questions, the staff?

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Mr. Printergaston.

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Wait for you.

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No.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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Thank you for the presentation.

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Let's see.

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So this is a pretty tight site.

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It qualifies by basically less than 1% to go to 5,015 square feet.

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Was there a survey that was submitted?

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I see architectural plans, but there are a survey and a LTA survey that's been prepared.

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Are you comfortable with the fact that it's 5,000 and 15 square feet because if it's not 5,000 and 15 square feet,

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then I think the applicant falls into a different category and different classification.

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Yes, and fairly comfortable that that's the size of the property.

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Just walk me through, I think it's more rhetorical questions.

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So this is a legal, non-conforming lot, and the R15 zone requires that to be a 20,000 square foot lot to be acted upon or built on, but our code EMC 30.08 allows for development on a 5th, so does the EMC 30.058 override the zoning ramification because this is a legal, non-conforming lot?

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I don't know that I would use those exact words to describe it, more so that the development

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standards are in place, they remain in place.

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The code also allows for a caveat that says in these circumstances, when it's a 5,000

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square foot lot, and it's in this zone, we are giving a provision to allow for a duplex.

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So it's not overriding, that's not a word I would use in this case, but there is a caveat.

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Okay, so it's in the code that, well, it's not 20,000 square feet.

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It is 5,000 square feet, and if it is 5,000 square feet, then it can do a duplex. Correct. In this particular zone. In this particular zone. Okay, as related to some of the, one of the emails that came through, one of them was, you know, how, how close to the property line, will the excavations be? I understand there's a five-foot setback along both the north and the south side of the property.

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But will they be digging a hole and down and approximately how deep will the hole go?

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Yeah, so for that. Yes, you're correct. There's a five-foot separation

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But I think for a more detailed response if I may try and lean on either the geotechnical engineer or the engineer on the project

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That might provide a little more insight on how that happens when there's excavation happening close to a property line great

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Thank you.

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As far as depth, what I can say is that there is a maximum

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depth of 17 feet.

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And I also want to state that this is the discretionary

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phase, so the preliminary design of the project

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and final design will determine all of the specifics

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of the showering excavation and everything.

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So you're comfortable in reviewing.

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There was a geotechnical report that was submitted, and I think that, you know, when you go

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down, I'll just say you cut a hole, you know, is there going to be tiebacks or anything

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that's infringing upon either the north or south adjacent properties that the developments

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going to require approval? I mean, are they going to go into the neighbor's property based

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on the plenaries, I'm not an engineer or an architect, so based on the plenary drawings

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that we have, will there be any intrusions such as a tieback or something into the adjacent

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properties?

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No, there won't be any intrusion or encroachment into adjacent properties.

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Basically when we do a provisionary approval of this, the geotechnical report basically identifies

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the soil conditions and the geologic conditions of the site, and if there are any geotechnical hazards,

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they make recommendations for mitigation. There are no significant geotechnical hazards on this property.

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But if encroachment is necessary, the approval of adjacent properties would be mandatory.

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Okay. And that would be determined through the grading permit process and the shoring design process.

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Yes.

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So if things change and the designs come in, the neighbor would be notified, some comfort

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that the neighbor had that all of a sudden he'd have to be contacted or they would have to

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be contacted.

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It would have to be contacted and permission given.

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Understood.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to put my glasses back on.

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So just to, again, another rhetorical question, the basement area doesn't count to the FAR,

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correct?

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So it's really everything the basement is under our codes are separate from the floor area ratio calculations or the size of the house. Is that correct?

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Yes, that's correct.

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Any idea how much percentage of the living area is going to be considered a basement? Is it like 35%?

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I don't have a percentage.

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Well, maybe the applicant can answer that one. So I'll leave that one for the applicant because he'll know.

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So, let's see, on, there's a picture on page of the document of the PDF, I think it's

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page 77 of the PDF, of the staff report, which is really the architectural drawings.

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there's a deck that seems to visually extend from the second floor to the

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west and I guess is really again just some clarification. It seems to be

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encroaching upon into the setback that's allowed and can you tell me how long

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or not wide that deck is but can you tell me the distance that it really extends

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into the setback? Does it go all the way to the property line?

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It doesn't. Okay. Oh, it does

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even. Okay, so it's a visual. That looks like. Okay, so that's a visual. All right. The architect

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take to help me out. Thank you chair.

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What page was that?

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Okay.

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Oh, maybe the applicant can, can help out with that.

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On page 83 of the, I would like to suggest that the applicant changed Manhattan Beach to

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needs to change on page 85 of the PDF item number 16, also references Manhattan Beach standard plan 5ST.

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So I'd like to ask if that is the correct reference or is it just a typo and that actually references the city of

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since Anita's codes as it relates to item number 16 on page.

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This is from the FGB engineers from the city of Anaheim.

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So I hope that they know where in Anita's is.

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And that's it for me.

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Okay, are there any other questions?

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Commissioner Kimble?

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Yes, I had one question around.

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And there was something in the report that talked about the work that the applicant would

435
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,760
have to do around the curb in the front of the property and drainage, could you go into

436
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,440
a little more detail of what they're going to be required to do, and is that an improvement

437
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,480
to what exists today?

438
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:48,380
Yeah, you might be referring to the permanent BMP that this project requires, and it is an

439
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:56,720
improvement and essentially the water, the storm water, is treated essentially and then

440
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:03,400
pumped out to third street after it's essentially treated and clean.

441
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,920
Is there an open drain in front of the property currently now?

442
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:14,740
There's probably, yeah, there's drainage outlets like most properties.

443
00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:29,290
Okay. Thank you very much. Is the applicant here, would they like to address the commission?

444
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,620
Gary, I think your microphone is not working.

445
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,520
Okay. I think you're fine.

446
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,800
Okay. The owners are here as well. They're long-time residents of Encinitas and should you have any questions for them?

447
00:42:56,340 --> 00:43:01,220
They'd be happy to address those. I want to thank Christine, our planner for

448
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:07,000
working us through the project. She's been terrific in helping us navigate the city process.

449
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,800
This is an interesting site in that it has significant slope and two directions. It slopes from

450
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,620
the east to the west approximately 12 feet and it also has a pretty steep cross slope of approximately

451
00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:25,660
seven feet sloping from the north down to the south. This makes it challenging to site a building on

452
00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:31,400
there and what we did was we stepped the duplex down following the slope from the east

453
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:37,420
to the west and we also split the duplex setting the southern unit a couple feet lower

454
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:40,080
than northern units so it again follows the terrain.

455
00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:43,500
This helps to make the project a little bit more interesting.

456
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:49,000
It breaks up the mass and it lowers the roots as it steps down with the terrain.

457
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,940
We also incorporated a pretty good interior court to break the building up.

458
00:43:55,940 --> 00:44:02,140
It goes about half the depth of the building so that these appear as two separate units and not as one single building.

459
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,080
The primary views are towards the southwest looking at Moonlight Beach.

460
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:13,620
So instead of typically mirroring the plan as most of these type of duplexes are,

461
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:20,240
We oriented both of the main living spaces towards the Southwestern view, so it gives

462
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,040
it a little bit different character, and again helps to break up the mass of the building.

463
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:31,140
We also slid the northern unit farther forward, offsetting the two sides, and again it helps

464
00:44:31,140 --> 00:44:33,060
to add more character in complexity.

465
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:42,440
The design is a contemporary motif, it incorporates stucco, wood siding, tile, and a standing seam

466
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:49,660
metal roof, there is also metal windows and doors with glass guardrails and horizontal

467
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:55,840
stucco bands. We had very positive feedback about the design at the citizen participation

468
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,960
patient plan, and we have been in discussions with the next...

469
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,060
Members, and I think we can satisfy all of their concerns. I believe this project will be an enhancement to the local community and appreciate your support. I can answer any questions I'd be happy to. Thank you, Gary. Questions? Yeah, on just that deck of question. How far does that deck extend? The allowed encroachment into the front yard is four feet, and I believe on one side, the south side, we don't even encroach into the setback.

470
00:45:28,060 --> 00:45:32,460
I believe on the north side it's under four feet if we put the plans up

471
00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:36,220
I could tell you exactly it should be on there is it three-foot three-foot 10

472
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:39,960
three-foot 10 okay so maybe that's just a visual on that plan

473
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:47,420
all right that's that's all I have okay not seeing any other questions for your

474
00:45:47,420 --> 00:45:54,300
Gary all right thank you are there public comments we do have one speaker and

475
00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:56,520
that's not ultimate that's

476
00:46:00,390 --> 00:46:01,810
your cue thank

477
00:46:07,860 --> 00:46:08,940
you guys appreciate the time

478
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,260
I am the person who sent the letter in that you asked about.

479
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:38,240
I want to make sure that you know that I do support the project, I'm not against the project, I like the project, pro-development, pro-the-neighborhood, being invested in, and so I think I went down a little bit of an AI rabbit hole on the letter I sent, so apologies if it was too much, but do have a lot invested in the property that I own next door.

480
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:48,240
And want to make sure that we do protect our property rights and the biggest thing for us is the retaining wall next to the between the two properties and because there's a slope.

481
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:55,400
There's concern for us that that wall doesn't get treated correctly or that the costs are burdened on us.

482
00:46:55,980 --> 00:47:07,340
We probably will rebuild our house at some point in the future and want to make sure we work collaboratively with the neighbor arm on who we know and have every intention to do that.

483
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:22,200
And I wanted to have it be a successful situation, but not being as fully knowledgeable about the process wanted to make sure that any condition around that was addressed so that we have a good solution and then it's not something that turns into a neighbor dispute.

484
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,140
So your help in that regard is very welcome.

485
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:36,920
And then second, that whole area that you're familiar with because I think many of you guys have either looked upon it or drive around it, have driven by their, it's very impacted with parking.

486
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:46,280
And with traffic and with various things happening, we don't have a garage for our cars, so we park on the street, a lot of people do park on the street just to access the beach.

487
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:59,260
And so I just think it's like to put our concerns on record about parking with the amount of construction traffic as well as time of day because the project is right next door bedroom.

488
00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:05,260
system and just whether we could get some assistance, whether it's collaborating with the

489
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:15,820
owner or having some kind of adjustment to the times in the morning when the construction

490
00:48:15,820 --> 00:48:20,600
starts because at 7 a.m. that means the guys start at 6.30 they get there and they start

491
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,780
unloading, especially during the weekends, so appreciate any consideration on that as well.

492
00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:28,320
So that's, that's really the main things that we had.

493
00:48:31,180 --> 00:48:33,360
And thanks for the thoughtful questions.

494
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:35,720
Okay, thanks for coming in tonight.

495
00:48:37,590 --> 00:48:39,280
No other questions or no other comments?

496
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Okay, does the applicant want to spend a rebuttal

497
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,700
or any time after that?

498
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:48,160
The

499
00:48:52,060 --> 00:48:53,300
project and ourselves.

500
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,340
We've been a resident of Incentive Distance in 1995.

501
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:01,780
We purchased this home in 98, and with the-

502
00:49:01,780 --> 00:49:04,180
If I could interrupt you, just briefly, I'm going to apologize.

503
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:11,220
This is a time I'm offering if new information was presented that you feel you need to respond to.

504
00:49:11,660 --> 00:49:16,520
Yeah, the response to Madam, like Madam Jessica, we've known each other since they moved next door.

505
00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:19,740
We have a good relationship, we had a really good discussion at the job site.

506
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:25,560
Of course, this retaining wall has for the engineering comment, we have to go through the design process.

507
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:31,940
we will get whatever needs to be done and we're not going to break any walls down without a good

508
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:36,540
collaboration and talking with one another. So we'll definitely definitely do that. We have a

509
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:40,760
couple of alternatives. It's too early in the process to know exactly how we're going to approach it

510
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:47,480
yet. I said that and then I don't have a contract yet so we don't even know about start times.

511
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:54,160
I mean it's a little bit ahead of the process but we'll for sure we've been good neighbors with all

512
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,660
of our neighbors, we'll continue to be so.

513
00:49:56,140 --> 00:49:57,920
Okay, good, thank you very much.

514
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:08,420
With that, I'm going to close the public comment portion of the hearing and open it up to Commissioner deliberation. Commissioner Quinn, do you want to start down at your end?

515
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:32,210
The only comment I have is that it is a very tight spot I drove by there today. And it's going to cause some, you know, the construction part of it and the workers and the excavation, everything is is going to be tough, but that's what happens in that area. That's the only comment I have. Okay.

516
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:43,570
thank you. Commissioner Kimmel. Yes it is tight. My concern is around the

517
00:50:43,570 --> 00:50:47,170
parking and how all the construction crews will be managed while that

518
00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:52,970
construction is going on primarily because it is so popular and you know while

519
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:57,730
timing has not been identified during the summer it's if you come down there in

520
00:50:57,730 --> 00:51:04,230
your car. It's it's a free for all for parking. And so I just like to make sure that when this

521
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:08,730
project does go for you know if this project goes forward and is in a construction phase making

522
00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:16,930
sure that this staff is following whatever processes we have in place to ensure that all the workers

523
00:51:16,930 --> 00:51:23,430
and any permanent or semi-permanent structures are complying with whatever our regulations are that

524
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:26,430
that I can see that being kind of neighborhood friction,

525
00:51:27,390 --> 00:51:28,650
very easy to occur.

526
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:34,480
OK, thank you.

527
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,000
So yeah, initially when I looked at the project,

528
00:51:37,340 --> 00:51:39,800
I really didn't really draw a lot of questions

529
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,820
or concerns for me.

530
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:44,520
I certainly thought it felt well within that particular community.

531
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,480
I thought the size of a lot and the tightness

532
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,480
of the particular location for building

533
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,780
was very typical of that particular area of our communities.

534
00:51:51,780 --> 00:52:03,300
and essentially I was left very supportive and then more recently since my first

535
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:07,380
of review we've gotten some public comments and then I had a lot of questions just

536
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:11,360
about the process but I feel very good about what we've heard from the

537
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:19,800
developer, what we've heard from the neighbor from the applicant as well that

538
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:25,580
And things are being looked after as far as these concerns that have been raised.

539
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:37,020
And it seems that some of it will take place in that dialogue and that discussion in managing

540
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:37,320
that.

541
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:42,760
But some of it also will take place when they're finalizing the approval of the grading

542
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,700
and the like.

543
00:52:45,580 --> 00:52:51,680
We only got the geotechnical study even today, and I just had a chance to briefly review

544
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,700
it, just skim through it, and I certainly had things that I think would perhaps need

545
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:02,720
to be addressed as they move forward with it, but I didn't feel like it was something

546
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,140
that would draw this to it.

547
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:11,620
If anything, I might accept a continuation, just so some of those things could be addressed,

548
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:20,860
and we could revisit them perhaps, but in general, I'm supportive and I'd be happy to see it go forward as well.

549
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:23,060
Okay, Mr. Pregnitz.

550
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,320
Yeah, I echo my fellow commissioners.

551
00:53:27,900 --> 00:53:30,700
It seems like there's a good rapport between the two property owners.

552
00:53:30,860 --> 00:53:32,480
I know you have some concerns about parking.

553
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,060
I had a kind of question for staff about safety and especially in the alley.

554
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:45,560
Are you comfortable because there's going to be so much excavation?

555
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:51,080
There's going to be a lot of trucks, and if the alley is an ingress in egress for

556
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,600
the neighbors, next door neighbor and all the other neighbors.

557
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:01,120
Can you speak to one of the questions like how are they going to haul out a project that

558
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,420
is in a tight neighborhood like this and having watch construction occur in a leave and

559
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:12,160
line, big trucks, and they leave them in the middle of the road, they detach.

560
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:20,520
How do you handle, how do you suggest it gets handled when you're doing this in a tight

561
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,540
neighborhood with the haul out?

562
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:26,330
How does that work?

563
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:27,430
Sure.

564
00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:34,050
So, that is something that would be covered and reviewed with a traffic control plan, and

565
00:54:34,050 --> 00:54:38,310
The traffic control plan gets submitted during the construction permit review process.

566
00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:44,490
And so there is some indication that if needed they would do a partial alley closure and

567
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:44,890
not a full.

568
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:47,290
But again, it would get reviewed further.

569
00:54:48,590 --> 00:54:51,710
And is there anything else that you'd like to add to that?

570
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:58,370
No, unless you have any follow up questions.

571
00:54:58,370 --> 00:54:59,970
I guess the question would be...

572
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:21,000
On a traffic control situation and you have a proposed, you have a planned date, will the neighbors be notified of a potential closure of the alley when there's a hall out as part of your traffic control plan so that they can plan their day around the hall out?

573
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,100
Yeah, what I what I understand is that they would be notified for sure. Okay. Alright.

574
00:55:32,020 --> 00:55:35,220
Another thing you mentioned was construction hours.

575
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,120
It's tough.

576
00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:40,980
I mean, there are city standards that everybody kind of has to follow, and so I'd probably

577
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:41,620
leave that up.

578
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,000
It's hard in this one particular comment on number five.

579
00:55:46,420 --> 00:55:47,920
I get it super sensitive.

580
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,120
They show up at 6.30.

581
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,320
Or maybe even earlier, hanging out, waiting for the clock to start.

582
00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,300
But I think I have to kind of leave that to the two of you to figure out.

583
00:55:57,300 --> 00:56:02,280
And if the construction company and the workers are not being good civil

584
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,740
neighbors, then I think you probably need to talk to your neighbor about it.

585
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:12,300
I don't know if we can make a waiver or a finding that your particular request is

586
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,340
allowable because then everybody would get one.

587
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,840
And that's why there's a standard.

588
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:18,300
So it's a reasonable request, but

589
00:56:18,300 --> 00:56:25,260
I hope that you maintain a relationship with your neighbor that you guys can work

590
00:56:25,260 --> 00:56:31,940
together on that and that they are being unruly, then I think there's probably a path I believe

591
00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:36,960
through the city that they would say, hey, you know, XYZ contractor is not abiding by the rules,

592
00:56:37,340 --> 00:56:42,860
but it's tough to us to make a finding to the point that the council may to put it into the resolution.

593
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:51,760
But that's about it. No, I understand. It's hard to, everybody in the city kind of has to abide

594
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,280
by it, but if they're not following the rules, there is a path.

595
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:02,740
So, I just, you wrote a very good letter, AI or not answering some good questions that made me stop and think a little bit.

596
00:57:02,820 --> 00:57:05,880
And I think all of us kind of had to stop and think a little bit about that.

597
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,600
So I do appreciate the effort and the fact that you came tonight too.

598
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:10,420
So thank you.

599
00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:17,810
I find the building to be seen to be appropriate for that neighborhood.

600
00:57:17,810 --> 00:57:21,870
it is dense, it is tight, but that's a very common building

601
00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:24,950
typology, particularly there. Cardiff is full of that.

602
00:57:26,190 --> 00:57:29,750
It seems to me a lot of our concerns revolve around very

603
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:33,790
technical aspects of the construction of it, and I think that's

604
00:57:33,790 --> 00:57:37,530
a different process. There's a building permit process in

605
00:57:37,530 --> 00:57:41,170
which engineers, ensuring contractors, everybody else,

606
00:57:41,370 --> 00:57:44,290
there's more to be done on that front.

607
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:54,150
Regarding the neighbors concerns, I feel like a good number of those are addressed by city standards.

608
00:57:54,150 --> 00:58:04,350
There are noise ordinances, there are work operation ordinances, there are hours of operation and traffic plans to address this stuff.

609
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:12,670
Parking is a concern, but it's a public street and workers have a right to park there as much as the beach goers.

610
00:58:12,670 --> 00:58:19,490
and that's going to be a momentary disruption to a house that will stand there for decades.

611
00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:22,530
And so I'm supportive of the project.

612
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:28,890
Nothing about the height, the setbacks, the materiality of it gives me cause for concern.

613
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:31,270
It seems like it's an appropriate house.

614
00:58:53,130 --> 00:59:00,670
So I think we've all expressed some general sympathy for some of this disruption,

615
00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:09,250
But no real opposition to the project, can I maybe have a motion?

616
00:59:11,970 --> 00:59:13,150
I'll move to approve.

617
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:14,330
Okay.

618
00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:14,630
Second.

619
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:16,270
Okay.

620
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:17,870
Motion in a second.

621
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:18,590
I'll call the vote.

622
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:28,490
Okay.

623
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:30,810
That passes 5-0.

624
00:59:31,210 --> 00:59:33,590
I look forward to seeing your house being built.

625
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:50,580
Okay.

626
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,940
Our next item tonight is.

627
00:59:53,620 --> 00:59:54,540
Help me here.

628
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,500
Are we on 8-C?

629
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,620
8-C.

630
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:57,180
Sorry.

631
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,960
The 20th.

632
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,620
The second street, two unit development and ADUs, case number multi-008-111-2025. I'll start with any disclosures from commissioners tonight. Nothing to disclose. I drove by the site two days ago. I went by this afternoon, and I'm familiar with the site as well.

633
01:00:29,580 --> 01:00:35,780
Okay, with that, I will turn it over to Associate Planner Megan McElfish.

634
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,920
Yep, thank you, Chair.

635
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:39,360
Good evening, Planning Commissioners.

636
01:00:39,540 --> 01:00:44,480
My name is Megan McElfish, and tonight I'll be presenting item C, the Second Street,

637
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:51,700
two unit development and ADU's project, under Multi-00811-2025.

638
01:00:53,700 --> 01:00:58,140
The project site is located at 858 Second Street in the Old Incidentities community.

639
01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:03,620
The site contains a vacant commercial building that was constructed in approximately 1947.

640
01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:11,040
The site has a general plan, land use designation of general commercial, is within the DCM2 zone

641
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,700
of the downtown and state-specific plan and is located within the coastal overlay zone.

642
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:23,060
The applicant requests approval of a tentative parcel map, minor use permit, design review permit,

643
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,520
and coastal development permit to allow for the demolition of the existing commercial building

644
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:34,980
and construction of a new two-story, two-unit residential building with two detached garages each with an ADU above.

645
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:40,900
The project would result in two airspace condominium units on the existing parcel.

646
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:44,540
Here is the project site plan.

647
01:01:45,100 --> 01:01:57,240
The project proposes a two-unit development consisting of 1,555 square foot unit with a 488 square foot two car garage and a 656 square foot ADU.

648
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:06,220
a second 1,417 square foot unit with a 272 square foot, one car garage and a 656 square foot

649
01:02:06,220 --> 01:02:12,540
ADO. Access to the garages is proposed from the alley off of H Street. The site is also

650
01:02:12,540 --> 01:02:18,320
located within one half mile of the Ensigna station. Under assembly bill 2097 the city cannot

651
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,380
require a minimum number of parking spaces for this project because of its proximity to a major

652
01:02:23,380 --> 01:02:27,900
transit stop. The applicant is proposing three enclosed parking spaces and one

653
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:31,680
unclosed space for the two dwelling units. Because the project site is located

654
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,260
within the coastal zone, it remains subject to the public access and recreation policies

655
01:02:36,660 --> 01:02:41,480
of the city's certified local coastal program. To comply with these policies, the applicant

656
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:46,500
is required to install a bike rack within the public right of way at the corner of second

657
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:51,960
and h street. For clarity, the bike rack is highlighted in orange on this slide and the one

658
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,460
and enclosed parking space is identified in yellow.

659
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,360
Here is the proposed north elevation with the eight use and garages shown on the right,

660
01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:03,600
and the two unit development on the left.

661
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,660
The proposed material palette includes a white TPL membrane roof, gray CMU walls, any range

662
01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:15,840
of stucco finishes in white, warm gray, charcoal gray, and dark gray, along with steel guardrails.

663
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:21,940
Overall, the project is consistent with the city's articulation, material, and color design

664
01:03:21,940 --> 01:03:27,540
matrix as well as the landscape design matrix as outlined in the city's design standards

665
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:28,180
and guidelines.

666
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:35,310
Here is the proposed south elevation as viewed from H Street. The proposed

667
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:40,230
two unit development is two stories with a mezzanine while each ADU above the garage is one

668
01:03:40,230 --> 01:03:45,770
story with a mezzanine. The proposed flat roof height is 30 feet zero inches for the two unit

669
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:51,090
development and 29 feet 9 inches for the ADUs, which both comply with the maximum permitted

670
01:03:51,090 --> 01:03:56,750
at height of 30 feet. A height certification will be required prior to the roof framing inspection.

671
01:03:58,940 --> 01:04:02,400
Here are the interior courtyard elevations and

672
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:07,300
here are the front and rear elevations.

673
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:12,820
The two unit development is shown on the left as viewed from second street and the AD and garage

674
01:04:12,820 --> 01:04:15,720
elevations are on the right as viewed from the alley.

675
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:21,150
Here is the proposed landscape plan.

676
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:25,770
The specific plan requires a minimum of 10 percent of the site to be landscaped.

677
01:04:25,770 --> 01:04:32,070
The project proposes 646 square feet of landscaped area or approximately 14% of the site.

678
01:04:32,350 --> 01:04:43,910
This includes a 433 square foot planting area and a 213 square feet of enhanced paving patio area which is allowed under the specific plan.

679
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:54,710
The project also meets the design review landscape standards by providing 83% of the landscaped area with Southern California native species exceeding the 50% requirement.

680
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:57,030
with no invasive species proposed.

681
01:04:57,730 --> 01:04:59,950
Two additional street trees are proposed while...

682
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,760
No three existing street trees will be maintained.

683
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:10,360
One CPP meeting, or ACPP meeting was held on December

684
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:16,180
9th, 2025, from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. at Ensenita City Hall. One member of the public attended

685
01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:20,500
the meeting. Questions were raised regarding the number of parking spaces provided for the

686
01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:25,200
new development and dust controlled during demolition and construction. The applicant clarified

687
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,520
that four parking spaces will be provided even though parking is not required due to the

688
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,020
site's proximity to the transit state center.

689
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:36,940
The applicant also addressed dust-related concerns by confirming that proper dust control

690
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:41,300
measures will be implemented during demolition and grading, and that efforts will be made

691
01:05:41,300 --> 01:05:44,200
to minimize construction impacts on the surrounding neighborhood.

692
01:05:44,900 --> 01:05:47,500
No concerns were identified that could not be addressed.

693
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:53,420
Additionally, the public hearing notice was mailed on August 20th, 2026, to all property owners

694
01:05:53,420 --> 01:05:57,160
within 500 feet of the project site, and no comments were received.

695
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:09,580
The project has been found to be exempt from environmental review, pursuant to Section 153-101-L3 and Section 153-303-B of the SQL guidelines.

696
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:16,860
Section 153-101-L3 exempts the demolition and removal of individual small commercial structures.

697
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:23,680
Section 153-303-B exempts the construction of a duplex or similar multi-family residential structure,

698
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,060
or totally no more than four dwelling units

699
01:06:26,060 --> 01:06:29,160
or up to six dwelling units in an urbanized area.

700
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,780
None of the exceptions in section 153-00.2

701
01:06:33,780 --> 01:06:35,640
of the secret guidelines exists

702
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,480
and no historic resources will be impacted

703
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,800
by the proposed development.

704
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:44,040
Staff recommends that the Planning Commission

705
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,180
adopt the draft resolution based upon

706
01:06:47,180 --> 01:06:48,600
the findings in the staff report.

707
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,460
This concludes my presentation

708
01:06:50,460 --> 01:06:52,860
and the applicant and I are available for any questions.

709
01:06:52,860 --> 01:06:53,080
questions.

710
01:06:53,700 --> 01:06:54,260
Okay.

711
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,100
Thank you very much.

712
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:58,620
Are there any questions of the staff from the commission?

713
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:02,500
I had a question.

714
01:07:03,830 --> 01:07:11,400
In one of the slides that you showed, it showed a picture of the ADUs over the garage,

715
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:17,720
and I'm wondering, it looks like it canlevers out over the garage a bit.

716
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:26,760
on which that one, does that encroach into any of the setbacks for the property?

717
01:07:27,980 --> 01:07:29,640
So it does.

718
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:30,640
I have a slide.

719
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:31,060
Let me.

720
01:07:37,380 --> 01:07:37,700
This one.

721
01:07:51,100 --> 01:07:51,480
Sorry.

722
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:58,860
I have it to show that now that

723
01:08:02,610 --> 01:08:03,330
Ray's slide, Jack.

724
01:08:03,570 --> 01:08:05,390
Sorry for the technical difficulties.

725
01:08:05,590 --> 01:08:08,390
So here's the architectural projection roof plan.

726
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:16,250
So, these are the ADU projections that you were referencing, so they do encroach 5 feet

727
01:08:16,250 --> 01:08:22,410
into the required 10 foot rear yard setback, but under the specific plan they're permitted

728
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:31,270
to go 3 feet from the center line of the alley, so they technically could go all the way

729
01:08:31,270 --> 01:08:36,770
to the property line under the specific plan, but they are encroaching 5 feet into the required

730
01:08:36,770 --> 01:08:37,230
setback.

731
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:53,040
So, under the specific plan, they allow, it's

732
01:08:59,050 --> 01:09:12,210
the minimum separation distance between the center line of the street, or the closest interior lot line, so three feet is required, or three feet of separation is required from that center line of the street.

733
01:09:12,210 --> 01:09:18,830
So the center, the alleys technically 20 feet wide, so they exceed that 3 feet minimum.

734
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:21,860
So

735
01:09:38,270 --> 01:09:43,170
the separation from the center line of the street to the property line is 3 feet

736
01:09:43,170 --> 01:09:43,870
that's required.

737
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:48,650
They're not touching the property line, so yes, they are encroaching into the setback,

738
01:09:48,810 --> 01:09:52,970
but they're not exceeding that 3 feet from the center line of the street.

739
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:57,990
Could we clarify that they're, I believe an ADU has a 4 foot rear yard setback.

740
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:59,790
and so for the ADU itself.

741
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:12,860
They're not encroaching on anything, right? The 10-foot setback I believe you're referencing is the underlying zone for the primary structure, but the ADU itself has a four-foot setback side

742
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:19,080
and rear.

743
01:10:21,290 --> 01:10:36,790
So, do you want to clarify? So, for height purposes, for the ADU to go to the underlying zone limit of 30 feet, they have to meet the setbacks of the zone. So, that's why the ADU is at a 10-foot setback.

744
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:39,930
instead of the 4-foot setback so they can go up to 30 feet.

745
01:10:41,290 --> 01:10:45,050
What would be their height limit if they use the 4-foot?

746
01:10:45,310 --> 01:10:46,790
I believe it'd be 18 feet.

747
01:10:57,090 --> 01:10:57,370
Thank you.

748
01:10:57,650 --> 01:10:57,970
Thank you.

749
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,140
Any other questions?

750
01:11:03,420 --> 01:11:04,020
Commissioner Whitaker?

751
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:04,420
Sure.

752
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:06,360
I can jump in here.

753
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:14,900
I wanted to ask about what we discussed during our briefing regarding the goals and objectives

754
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:17,320
is for solar and water conservation.

755
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,380
And I was just interested to know,

756
01:11:19,660 --> 01:11:24,900
like, although they're being required to install

757
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,420
the wiring for that and the piping for the gray water,

758
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:33,080
it's to me somewhat understandable

759
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,800
to not necessarily have to connect to a gray water system

760
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,820
that doesn't yet exist within that area.

761
01:11:38,340 --> 01:11:43,120
But the solar, I'm not quite sure I understand why

762
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,240
and are not being required to install the solar.

763
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:51,460
So they will be required at the time of building permits in middle for the eight use and for the two units.

764
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,500
Okay, thank you.

765
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:06,540
Page 17, the roof plan, is there a shared roof between the two units because I thought they were separate units.

766
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:15,180
So there's a separation between the eight use and garages and the two units, but the two main units are

767
01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:22,060
connected. Okay, I see it now. Are there any utilities on the roof, any cooling

768
01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:30,680
towers or anything like that? Not that I'm aware of. Okay, and we also discussed

769
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:36,260
today in a briefing about the existing trees on second avenue that will

770
01:12:36,260 --> 01:12:43,000
not be removed. What trees with those again? The one on second street is a

771
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,420
camp for tree that was proposed to remain and then there's two paper bark trees on each street that will remain.

772
01:12:50,060 --> 01:12:50,920
Okay, thank you.

773
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,980
I think we talked about this during the briefing a little bit.

774
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,760
So these are going to be two separate condominiums.

775
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:16,360
And so the main structure with the ADU is one condominium property and the second mirror image is the second condominium property.

776
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:25,100
I wanted to clarify, does that count in according to our incinitis municipal code as a multi-family

777
01:13:25,100 --> 01:13:33,240
resident and as such, those ADUs nor the condos would be suitable or allowed to operate

778
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:34,340
a short-term rentals?

779
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:41,660
So under state ADU law it is considered a multi-family development because the two units are attached

780
01:13:41,660 --> 01:13:42,240
to each other.

781
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:55,180
So they're allotted up to two detached ADUs, but the ADUs will be required to sign a covenant at the time of building permit or prior to building permit issuance that limits them to rentals of 30 days or more so they're not.

782
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,460
No weekend rentals would not for the ADUs.

783
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,940
Okay. Would they be allowed on further condominiums in the front?

784
01:14:02,420 --> 01:14:02,760
Yes.

785
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:03,740
No.

786
01:14:12,290 --> 01:14:13,050
Let's see.

787
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:22,160
So the ADUs, so what is the F, the total FAR? What is the density allowable

788
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,980
under the code and how much are they using?

789
01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:29,230
And

790
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,620
if there was in the report that I apologized,

791
01:14:35,900 --> 01:14:44,640
maybe there was a bullet somewhere. So the allowable FAR under the code is 0.65 and they're proposing

792
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:53,980
16.64. Okay. Squeezing it in. And the ADU's are a part of that calculation. They're

793
01:14:53,980 --> 01:14:59,540
exempt of the 800 square feet of each ADU exempt from. It's one of about 460.

794
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,720
There are 6.56. Okay.

795
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Let's see. There are some boxes that we're not checked off in the

796
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:17,500
submittal. Let me get to those. That's on page 10

797
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,880
of the staff report. A lot

798
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:28,260
coverage, it's 75%. It doesn't say a box yes or no. Floor air ratio, 0.65.

799
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:32,280
That's

800
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,480
That's not checked, neither is the landscaping minimum of 10%.

801
01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:38,600
So will that eventually, will that get cleaned up?

802
01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:40,860
Yes, I apologize, not just a typo.

803
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,560
They do comply with all the standards.

804
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:43,880
They do comply, what's good to know.

805
01:15:44,140 --> 01:15:44,560
All right, thank you.

806
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:52,380
There's a reference on page 11 of 97 of the PDF

807
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,660
under minor use permit.

808
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:59,600
It says therefore the approval of the proposed project

809
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,820
would remain below the code's maximum allowance

810
01:16:01,820 --> 01:16:05,280
So it's a 25% residential only acreage within the zone.

811
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:11,800
So is there a, like a table, a running table?

812
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:16,400
So if I come in, let's just say I own the property next door.

813
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,060
And the 25% residential only acreage has already been achieved.

814
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:24,160
Is anybody else allowed to do residential?

815
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:31,800
So on this slide, I pulled up a table that shows all of the properties that are currently residential only.

816
01:16:32,380 --> 01:16:38,880
So the next seminal that will come in, they'll use this table and if this project's approved, it will be added as well.

817
01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:46,660
Right, so quick summary, how far along are we to the 25% is that say 10% on the bottom right hand?

818
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,900
Yeah, 98%.

819
01:16:48,900 --> 01:16:52,300
Perfect, thank you. That's a very good slide. Good reference.

820
01:16:52,840 --> 01:17:01,340
So just to play that out, if you are the five more developers go residential and that moves to 25% and you're the sixth person that come in,

821
01:17:01,340 --> 01:17:04,080
and you're out of luck, you don't get to do residential.

822
01:17:04,700 --> 01:17:06,740
Correct, residential only, what do you do?

823
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,100
Yes, right, right, okay.

824
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:11,140
Well, you can do an ADU because that's exact, no, I'm just gonna say.

825
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:16,900
So they're coming in as a condominium

826
01:17:16,900 --> 01:17:22,040
and they're not using SB9 as an urban lot split for this process, right?

827
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,840
They're just coming in under a condominium, okay?

828
01:17:28,540 --> 01:17:30,860
That's all I have, okay, thank you.

829
01:17:30,860 --> 01:17:36,680
thank you Megan. I believe the applicant is here. Would you like to address the commission?

830
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:45,860
Okay, applicants is here. If there's any questions, are there any questions? Okay, are there any

831
01:17:45,860 --> 01:17:52,040
public speakers? Okay. Seeing none, we'll close the public comment and open it to Commissioner

832
01:17:52,040 --> 01:18:01,940
Deliberation. Anybody want to start this off? I'll jump in here. So yeah, again initially I thought

833
01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:06,880
this fit well within that particular area. I was interesting to see that it was the first

834
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:15,700
one we had that I had seen that used the mezzanine interior to create a, a, the ability to do

835
01:18:15,700 --> 01:18:21,540
height, you know, go higher. Yeah, that was quite interesting and, uh, in development. But,

836
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:29,320
in general, I thought that there was, uh, well within the, um, the developments within that area

837
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:35,120
in the types of units we see going up in that area so I'm supportive. I didn't have

838
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:43,600
any specific concerns and I was happy to see the level of landscaping that was being

839
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:50,020
provided was adequate in that type of thing so. Okay thank you. Any other comments?

840
01:18:50,980 --> 01:18:58,120
I do. Like Commissioner Whitaker it seems comparable to a lot of the development that's been

841
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:04,000
done over the last 10 years or so in that area. I do appreciate the parking that was put in.

842
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,260
I know, you know, regulations sometimes say you don't have to, well, it's often say they don't have

843
01:19:09,260 --> 01:19:15,180
to, but I appreciate that the applicant did put parking in so that there is some off-street parking

844
01:19:15,180 --> 01:19:22,580
for whoever ultimately owns those. With regards to my earlier comment about short-term rental

845
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:30,040
requirements as these become I guess have to file a covenant in the way she just

846
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:38,560
may describe it when the HOA documents are put together is it are we able to

847
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,820
condition that we'd like a called out that unit insinious municipal code doesn't

848
01:19:42,820 --> 01:19:49,820
allow short-term rentals in the the ADU unit so that whoever is purchasing them

849
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:54,620
understands what methods they can operate those if they don't intend to live in

850
01:19:54,620 --> 01:19:58,860
them full-time. I guess the question for our legal

851
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:09,670
Putting that statement where? I don't know if there's a way to condition that when, so from my

852
01:20:09,670 --> 01:20:15,590
finder's stand from Megan, the condos, the main units can be a short-term rental, but the

853
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:22,490
ADUs cannot. They can, they have a 30-day minimum on the rental, if they are, and is there

854
01:20:22,490 --> 01:20:30,210
a way to condition the approval or to request that when those are, as assume, put up for sale

855
01:20:30,210 --> 01:20:33,750
that that's documented that that is a current requirement for the city.

856
01:20:35,670 --> 01:20:39,110
Yeah, it's already a covenant on, it's on the property, right?

857
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:45,810
Yeah, so the covenant is placed on the title of the property, similar to kind of HOA documents.

858
01:20:46,230 --> 01:20:51,230
So that's kind of the mechanism that we control, kind of no short temperamentals within the ADUs.

859
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:56,750
Presumably, if you get your title report when you buy this thing, it would say here a list of

860
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:59,810
easements or covenants recorded against this property?

861
01:20:59,830 --> 01:21:01,170
Product and can we put it?

862
01:21:01,290 --> 01:21:03,170
Well, I'm just saying, I just want to confirm

863
01:21:03,170 --> 01:21:04,310
that is recorded somewhere.

864
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:07,150
HOA doc, I mean, this is new.

865
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:09,010
So obviously whatever document is created

866
01:21:09,010 --> 01:21:10,430
will be new and current at the time.

867
01:21:11,210 --> 01:21:14,850
HOA documents don't often get updated once they get put together.

868
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:19,130
And so I'm just trying to think about for the future

869
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:23,030
that at least the state of what was required with these

870
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:26,710
were built and eventually sold is documented.

871
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,200
And also from the, you know, I think that realistically these will be very popular for short-term

872
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:34,620
rentals.

873
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,720
This is a great location, I mean if I was going to go rent somewhere for a beach vacation

874
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:44,500
I would, but if it's not allowed, I think we need to be clear that it's not allowed.

875
01:21:47,390 --> 01:21:52,290
That's my only comment, otherwise the project seems to fit the neighborhood.

876
01:21:52,290 --> 01:22:04,330
Good, there are fair amount of trees and I'm happy to see that the old trees are being preserved which is great for the community character so I don't have any issues with the development as it is.

877
01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:18,690
Any comments? I think, you know, I applaud you for a white roof. We haven't had too many people do the white roof and that does kick in a lot of different things for the climate action plan and, you know, the fact that Commissioner Grinderger brought up the solar.

878
01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:24,890
or also one will applaud the fact that you're doing 83% natives, and you only have to do 50.

879
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:27,270
The last applicant came in and only did the minimum.

880
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:33,670
I don't know why you would do less than that because it is a drought-prone area, maybe not this year.

881
01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:38,950
But historically, we're a pretty dry place, so thank you for exceeding the minimums.

882
01:22:39,050 --> 01:22:41,010
I appreciate that a lot.

883
01:22:42,150 --> 01:22:47,270
Also, we talked about, we've already passed the urban forest codes and

884
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:50,610
things of keeping the extra trees and finding room for them on your site.

885
01:22:51,150 --> 01:23:07,550
Other projects have come before us and found a raise not to put trees on their site on El Camino Real and some other places, so they asked for waivers to do that and you did not, so I applaud you for doing the best you can under the site that you have and doing more than what the code is asking for.

886
01:23:08,190 --> 01:23:16,350
I do think that it does fit the neighborhood and I would support the project and I appreciate you guys coming in and putting something like this before us.

887
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:29,270
Okay. I also support the project. I think it's a nice design and it's a neat concept of putting in a number of units in a tight space.

888
01:23:29,450 --> 01:23:38,730
But I feel like the space between the ADUs and the main houses kind of creates a little more air and light that filters in throughout the project.

889
01:23:38,730 --> 01:23:48,510
So I like the project, and I would support it tonight to loop back Commissioner Kimbell's concern about HOAs and the covenants.

890
01:23:48,650 --> 01:23:59,230
I don't share the same concern only that I think that is a state rule, it will be conditioned that way when it's approved, they have to submit the covenant.

891
01:23:59,590 --> 01:24:05,490
And I feel like it's a little beyond our purview to make sure that they communicate that when they sell it.

892
01:24:05,490 --> 01:24:10,910
whether they communicated or not, doesn't change the fact that it is a recorded covenant against the property.

893
01:24:12,450 --> 01:24:19,850
And someone that does buy it, presumably gets a title report that tells them what kind of restrictions are on thing.

894
01:24:20,210 --> 01:24:28,250
And if they wanted to, I mean, someone can always break the law and rent it without notifying the city, but

895
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:33,230
we can't control that behavior either, or we can enforce it after that.

896
01:24:34,050 --> 01:24:42,550
So the question council, I have to follow up on both Commissioner Adolten and Kimball is all right.

897
01:24:44,730 --> 01:24:50,730
We, the rules are, the state laws are that they can't do an ADU for short term rentals.

898
01:24:50,830 --> 01:24:51,750
That's just a law.

899
01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:59,810
But an HOA is a private covenant on private property, and it has to follow the laws, but do you

900
01:24:59,810 --> 01:24:59,850
You

901
01:25:00,020 --> 01:25:18,980
We have to explicitly state things that are already stated in the state law. In other words, you have to reiterate some of that. Or is it to Commissioner Adolph as a position that it's there so you don't have to restate it? Which one is it?

902
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:24,660
Yeah, so the HOA is the owners association,

903
01:25:29,060 --> 01:25:33,220
the CCNRs are the, it's an agreement amongst

904
01:25:33,220 --> 01:25:39,140
all of the owners at the, or the developer at the time of subdividing, right?

905
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:48,900
As Mr. Manard has been telling me, there might not be an HOA per se, but there would still

906
01:25:48,900 --> 01:25:52,980
will be covenants placed on the property at time of subdivision.

907
01:25:55,800 --> 01:26:01,460
Your approval has a requirement that certain items be in the covenant.

908
01:26:02,780 --> 01:26:10,360
To your point, do the laws that are applicable to this particular topic need to be placed in there?

909
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:17,900
no, that state law exists, but that state law could change.

910
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:33,000
So if what you want is this to have that state law, in a fact, and the reason why you're

911
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:41,000
approving it is because of an issue like no long term rental or no short term rental or

912
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,860
particular unit that's right now it's covered by state law but who knows it could happen in the future.

913
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:50,760
That state law that code section could be removed and then it would not be enforceable

914
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:54,960
unless you had it in your covenant.

915
01:26:56,260 --> 01:27:01,660
But if it's removed from state law it's unenforceable so it's not voidable but it's

916
01:27:01,660 --> 01:27:07,420
it's it's even though if it's in the specific covenant it's not an enforceable

917
01:27:07,420 --> 01:27:20,760
That's my point is that if you're relying on state law you're not going to have it in the approvals and you're saying state law has it covered and state law changes it well then you can't impose it.

918
01:27:21,500 --> 01:27:29,960
But if you impose it and state law is there now you have you have imposed it state law goes away.

919
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,500
a year in position of that still remains.

920
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,160
State law, you have not preempted,

921
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:38,860
you're not preempted by doing that.

922
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:39,980
It exists currently.

923
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,660
State law, then in the future changes,

924
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,060
it would remain on this.

925
01:27:48,090 --> 01:27:48,350
Okay.

926
01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:51,190
In that scenario in my mind, if the state law changes

927
01:27:51,190 --> 01:27:52,990
and we have relied on the state law

928
01:27:52,990 --> 01:27:54,990
to prevent this activity,

929
01:27:56,150 --> 01:27:59,390
I feel like that is a policy decision of the council

930
01:27:59,390 --> 01:28:02,150
to decide whether we would create a local ordinance

931
01:28:02,150 --> 01:28:08,710
to restrict short-term rentals, if there's not already a local ordinance that restricts rentals.

932
01:28:08,910 --> 01:28:13,530
I know that there's a short-term rental policy that limits X number of percentage of the units,

933
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:16,610
assuming that people apply for a permit, right?

934
01:28:17,050 --> 01:28:22,870
We debated that, and I think we passed an ordinance a few years ago, and it was not in this

935
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:22,990
hex.

936
01:28:22,990 --> 01:28:27,030
I remember going back through and negotiating the percentages or discussing the percentages

937
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:28,490
of how many units were applied.

938
01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:33,230
So could you, I see Megan leaning in, could you guys refresh us to kind of where we are with that?

939
01:28:33,530 --> 01:28:35,010
Just to add back to the.

940
01:28:35,670 --> 01:28:42,290
Unfortunately, that specific ordinance, we did take it to the California Coastal Commission as part of our local coastal program amendment.

941
01:28:42,990 --> 01:28:48,210
Coastal Commission did approve that with a change to requiring a minimum night's day.

942
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:50,710
And it's a reduction from what we currently have.

943
01:28:50,830 --> 01:28:53,510
So when it went back to city council, that was denied.

944
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:58,890
So that ordinance related to the percentages is actually not applicable at this time.

945
01:28:59,370 --> 01:29:04,090
There are limitations related to what can be a short-term rental versus what can't be a short-term rental.

946
01:29:04,590 --> 01:29:07,810
It's limited to single-family or two-family residences.

947
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:11,730
And there are a number of requirements and inspections that need to go through it.

948
01:29:12,010 --> 01:29:15,650
However, the percentage cap is not currently in place.

949
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:23,640
my intent with the question was not to impose additional requirements over what

950
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:28,960
exists in state law or municipal code was just to make sure and it sounds like

951
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:36,980
from what was said earlier that when it's in the covenant it will spell out what

952
01:29:36,980 --> 01:29:42,760
the requirements are and as long as that's documented that's adequate I just

953
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,200
want to make sure that there is some traceability that at the time this is

954
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:53,280
the municipal code and the rule and that that's documented that this is subject to it.

955
01:29:54,820 --> 01:29:57,000
I can't predict what will happen in 20 years.

956
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:57,420
No, no.

957
01:29:57,480 --> 01:29:57,860
Not sure.

958
01:29:57,860 --> 01:29:58,840
No, this can.

959
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,440
I hear them chattering, but I think there is a standard covenant that the city enforces, and that's what's required. If I may, um, senior planner, Christina Bustamonte, if I can help with this question a little bit. So I hear your conversation. I hear your concern that, hey, I want to make sure that future owners know that this rule is in place that it's written down somewhere, and it's going to be on the property and perpetuity. Our standard process is we today are going to create a

960
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:35,060
a resolution that's going to go with the condition of approval, with that has several conditions

961
01:30:35,660 --> 01:30:41,260
for this particular question that you have. We have 80U01, which is a standard condition

962
01:30:41,260 --> 01:30:49,260
for us that limits the accessory dwelling units to 30-day rental periods. It can be less

963
01:30:49,260 --> 01:30:54,000
than that. It can be more than that, but it can't be less than that. And so that resolution

964
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,480
is going to get coupled with a covenant.

965
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,740
So the covenant essentially is a real property covenant.

966
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,440
It describes the permits that were placed

967
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:04,640
for this particular property.

968
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,180
As an exhibit, that's an attachment

969
01:31:07,180 --> 01:31:10,140
that will get placed with it, is the resolution.

970
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,040
So that resolution will get coupled altogether.

971
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:14,580
All of the conditions of approval,

972
01:31:14,780 --> 01:31:17,780
all of the tax from it will be all included.

973
01:31:17,780 --> 01:31:21,720
And then that gets recorded as a document against the property.

974
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:26,760
So unless somebody rescinds it, that will be their imperpetuity.

975
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:27,620
Does that help?

976
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:29,680
That answers it perfectly.

977
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:30,500
Thank you.

978
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:31,180
Welcome.

979
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:33,160
Okay.

980
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:34,160
Okay.

981
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:35,220
For staff.

982
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,240
So a quick nuance on that item.

983
01:31:37,660 --> 01:31:42,340
So 80-01 does require that we do that covenant recordation.

984
01:31:43,340 --> 01:31:48,100
So that is something that we would do in the standard language that we have in a covenant

985
01:31:48,100 --> 01:31:53,060
that we utilizes, requires that 30-day minimum consistent with state law.

986
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,460
That explicit language isn't in ADU01.

987
01:31:56,940 --> 01:32:00,620
If you would like to amend that condition of approval with this resolution,

988
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,580
you could make that amendment for that language to be more explicit.

989
01:32:04,220 --> 01:32:09,300
But as Senior Planner Bustamante just stated, that condition is in the covenant,

990
01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:14,960
and that language is explicitly stated in that, and that would be recorded with the title.

991
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:24,240
Well, also just to identify in chapter 30 point or 30 point 48 we are a covenant section within our local code.

992
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,660
It also has a provision in terms of the rentals no more less than 30 days.

993
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:33,260
It's also in the local code in addition to state law or in my provision.

994
01:32:38,260 --> 01:32:38,960
Bob, you had a question.

995
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:45,880
Yeah, I had one more question for staff on let's see.

996
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:58,760
on page 12 of 97 of the staff report. Under section, under EMC section 30.48.040.15,

997
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:04,100
80 use are not required to additional parking and floated within 1.5 mile of a major transit stop.

998
01:33:04,780 --> 01:33:07,640
This project is located 1.5 mile of the incident station.

999
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:18,960
So, under SB, it's 79, in terms of a TOD, they measure it by not a concentric circle, but a walking distance.

1000
01:33:19,340 --> 01:33:22,620
So, it's really, he's providing the parking, so it's really not a question for that.

1001
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:25,320
It's really more of the question of, how did you make that statement?

1002
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:30,140
Was it walking 90 feet, then turning left 90 feet, then going 90 feet?

1003
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:34,120
Or did you use a concentric circle measurement for that statement?

1004
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,200
So we have

1005
01:33:41,100 --> 01:33:55,640
it might come up on other TODs. That's why so for AB 2097 it is a half mile walk to the transit station. So this little dot right here is the property. And then the purple is and

1006
01:33:55,640 --> 01:34:08,740
needed a station and then separately under state law the ADU just needs to be within a half mile walking distance of a transit stop. Not necessarily a major transit stop.

1007
01:34:08,740 --> 01:34:12,280
and the closest bus stop is on H and 101.

1008
01:34:12,940 --> 01:34:15,260
So it doesn't have to be, there's been a lot

1009
01:34:15,260 --> 01:34:18,620
of controversy over, not controversy, a lot of discussions

1010
01:34:18,620 --> 01:34:22,440
over what defines a transit stop in terms of the frequency

1011
01:34:22,440 --> 01:34:26,320
of the bus stops because this comes up in other places.

1012
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,400
So this qualifies obviously for the direction

1013
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,300
of the bus stop, it sounds like it qualifies

1014
01:34:32,300 --> 01:34:34,880
from the locking distance that you measured.

1015
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,400
It wasn't a concentric circle.

1016
01:34:37,420 --> 01:34:50,100
And is the, can you just help me understand what the frequency, what defines then the transit stop, maybe not for this project, but going forward, it's just a note defile for me.

1017
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:59,900
Is it have to be because this comes up under the potential development areas around the train station and around a transit stop.

1018
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:10,640
In terms of height and certain state laws that are before us. So the bus stop, does that mean it's like sevens, the level of service qualifies?

1019
01:35:16,460 --> 01:35:34,280
Let me jump in first. This is very complex. In very coming on now. If it really matters, if it really matters for your approval, absolutely, we can answer the question. No, I'll have a sidebar at another time. Yeah,

1020
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:41,240
Yeah, just to answer your question, there are several different statutes, each with terms

1021
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:49,520
that sound similar, transit stop, major transit stop, high frequency railways, all of these

1022
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:57,320
different things that are layered that really are loaded words and get very complicated

1023
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:03,960
very quickly and people use them kind of interchangeably and get confused by them and so I'd be

1024
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,780
He really has an int that we any one of us really start talking definitively right now

1025
01:36:07,780 --> 01:36:10,480
about it unless it's something you absolutely need for this.

1026
01:36:10,580 --> 01:36:14,520
No, I think the answer is they measured it by a walking distance and it qualifies to

1027
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:17,520
the bus stop in the train station plus it doesn't really matter because he's got the extra

1028
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:17,840
parking.

1029
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:23,000
And it looks like they have a map that shows that in the red blue or the one that's on the

1030
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:23,200
screen.

1031
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:23,680
Exactly.

1032
01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:24,000
Yeah.

1033
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:25,240
Answer my question.

1034
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:25,780
Great.

1035
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,400
I'm going to make a motion that we approve the project.

1036
01:36:29,980 --> 01:36:30,800
I'll second that.

1037
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:33,140
Okay.

1038
01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:33,720
I'll call the vote.

1039
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:34,520
Okay.

1040
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:41,820
Sorry to put you through that. I had to approve 5-0.

1041
01:36:55,480 --> 01:37:00,520
Okay. The next item is I usually

1042
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:06,940
take a break if we get to 8 o'clock. Is everybody okay to finish this last one? Yeah. Okay.

1043
01:37:07,980 --> 01:37:17,760
Item 8-D, the Brooks Residence Case Number Multi-007-164-2024. Are there any commission

1044
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,800
and disclosures,

1045
01:37:22,980 --> 01:37:23,620
thank you.

1046
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:27,360
I've walked by there before, not recently.

1047
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,100
Okay, nothing to disclose.

1048
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:30,100
Nothing.

1049
01:37:30,580 --> 01:37:30,760
Nothing.

1050
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,320
All right, Christina Bustamonte,

1051
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:35,760
this is a big night for you,

1052
01:37:37,380 --> 01:37:39,900
is our staff senior planner

1053
01:37:39,900 --> 01:37:41,620
and she's gonna present the case.

1054
01:37:43,740 --> 01:37:45,560
Good evening commissioners, members of the public.

1055
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:46,840
My name is Christina Bustamonte.

1056
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:49,000
I'm a senior planner and I'll be presenting

1057
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:53,400
this project this evening. The project is for a design review permit and

1058
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:58,940
costot development permit to construct a 5,943 square foot single family single

1059
01:37:58,940 --> 01:38:05,060
residents with an attached 899 square foot three car garage and a

1060
01:38:05,060 --> 01:38:12,000
detached 1,136 square foot one bedroom one bathroom accessory dwelling unit on a

1061
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:17,020
vacant lot. The project includes encroachment into steep slopes and grading that

1062
01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:22,780
That is eight vertical fee or less of cut and two vertical fee of fill.

1063
01:38:23,380 --> 01:38:25,580
The project is currently vacant.

1064
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:30,160
The Planning Commission shall be the authorized agency for reviewing and

1065
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:36,420
granting discretionary approvals for proposed development within the hillside inland bluff overlay zone.

1066
01:38:37,260 --> 01:38:45,660
The site slopes downward from west to east with steep slopes of greater than 25% grade at the east of the half of the parcel.

1067
01:38:47,620 --> 01:38:52,320
I just heard the buzz, like, oh, yep, that's for me.

1068
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,320
Back to the sentence I was in.

1069
01:38:55,740 --> 01:38:56,660
Thank you for letting me know.

1070
01:38:56,860 --> 01:38:58,700
I wasn't presenting my presentation.

1071
01:38:59,660 --> 01:39:05,880
The site slopes downward from west to east with steep slopes of greater than 25% gradient

1072
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:07,780
at the easterly half of the parcel.

1073
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:14,600
A jurisdictional wetland is present at the base of the slope near the easterly perimeter of

1074
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:19,900
the site. The subject property lies within the residential R3 single-family

1075
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:24,640
residences are permitted as a primary use in the subject zone.

1076
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:27,820
The project

1077
01:39:27,820 --> 01:39:32,720
requires a design review permit for encroachment into natural steep slopes and

1078
01:39:33,140 --> 01:39:37,260
landscaping and site improvements. It also requires a coastal development permit

1079
01:39:37,260 --> 01:39:40,280
to review the project for compliance with the local coastal program.

1080
01:39:42,740 --> 01:39:43,140
The project

1081
01:39:43,140 --> 01:39:48,800
site is within the scenic visual corridor overlay zone, given their proximity to the interstate

1082
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:57,700
five. Section 3034-08-0 of the municipal code provides that for projects within the scenic visual

1083
01:39:57,700 --> 01:39:59,860
overlay corridor zone. Consider

1084
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,920
Administration shall be given to the overall public visual impact of the project. It also allows certain conditions or limitations pertaining thereto to be applied to the project. The project proposes a single story residents and a single story accessory dwelling in. The project will feature a modern architectural style. The bulk and mass of the home is relatively low profile and design in that it is a single story and is situated on the

1085
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:35,520
western most portion of the parcel. More than 312 feet away from the interstate

1086
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:41,460
fly freeway. Several existing adjacent residences are two story and feature a

1087
01:40:41,460 --> 01:40:47,840
variety of architectural styles such as farmhouse, traditional and craftsman. The

1088
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:52,240
new residents will not have more of a visual impact than existing adjacent

1089
01:40:52,240 --> 01:40:56,280
residences. The grading of the property will be limited to the western most

1090
01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:02,700
portion of the site. Reducing the visual impact on the existing slopes and preserving the steep

1091
01:41:02,700 --> 01:41:08,800
slopes in an open space easement, the slopes are located adjacent to Interstate 5, preserving them

1092
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:15,370
would preserve the view within this portion of the visual corridor. The project features

1093
01:41:15,370 --> 01:41:23,930
stone veneer, smooth finished echo, wood siding, metal fascia, and black window trim and mullions.

1094
01:41:23,930 --> 01:41:29,360
The structures will be located on the western side of the parcel.

1095
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:34,520
The easterly side of the parcel contains a jurisdictional wetland that will be protected

1096
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:39,980
in perpetuity with a recorded open space easement that includes an additional area that

1097
01:41:39,980 --> 01:41:45,440
provides a 50-foot buffer as measured from the outermost limits of the wetland habitat.

1098
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:50,700
The property contains steep slopes that are 25% or greater gradient.

1099
01:41:50,700 --> 01:41:57,020
All Steve slopes that are not developed within this project will be placed within a Steve

1100
01:41:57,020 --> 01:42:00,500
slopes easement that will preserve the slopes and perpetuity.

1101
01:42:01,060 --> 01:42:04,240
And I'm going to take a quick pause here just to point out what we're looking at here on

1102
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:04,700
the screen.

1103
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:11,420
The existing wetland area is outlined in green and I apologize it's probably really hard

1104
01:42:11,420 --> 01:42:17,580
to see from here what that looks like, but it's here on the usually side of the site.

1105
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:18,240
Thank you.

1106
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:24,740
And then the 50-foot buffer is going to be from the outermost limits of that wetland.

1107
01:42:25,860 --> 01:42:33,760
And then the reason why this red outline is even larger than what the buffer is, is

1108
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:37,620
this red outline is also including the steep slopes that are on the property.

1109
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:43,580
So any steep slopes that were not part of the development got placed in this easement.

1110
01:42:43,580 --> 01:42:53,740
So, to clarify this easement will be recorded against the property, the easement will include

1111
01:42:53,740 --> 01:43:00,220
an exhibit that looks a lot like this shape on this parcel and will include a legal description

1112
01:43:00,220 --> 01:43:06,840
as well that will describe the meets and bounds of this particular area in red. So just wanted

1113
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:12,580
to take a moment to explain that. The yellow that you see here on the exhibit are the radial lines

1114
01:43:12,580 --> 01:43:16,580
for fire access for hose pool in particular.

1115
01:43:17,140 --> 01:43:20,400
I just wanted to explain that it is here on this image.

1116
01:43:23,860 --> 01:43:26,360
Okay, the residence includes four bedrooms,

1117
01:43:27,020 --> 01:43:30,280
four bathrooms, a laundry room, a living room,

1118
01:43:30,740 --> 01:43:35,840
kitchen, pantry, dining room, office, lounge,

1119
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:37,560
and an attached garage.

1120
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:41,860
The subject property is zoned R3,

1121
01:43:41,860 --> 01:43:47,720
which allows for a maximum building height of two stories and 22 feet measured

1122
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:52,260
to the top of the roof above the exterior building wall and 26 feet measured

1123
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:58,800
to the peak of a pitched roof with a minimum 312 pitch. The project also has an

1124
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:05,760
average lot soap that is greater than 10% with a 15.5% average lot slope as

1125
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:10,480
documented in the plans and therefore a subject to an additional height restriction

1126
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:13,880
in limiting flat roof structures to 12 feet tall

1127
01:44:14,260 --> 01:44:17,240
as measured from the highest uphill property line.

1128
01:44:17,780 --> 01:44:19,880
In this case, the southern property line

1129
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,480
is the highest property line.

1130
01:44:22,380 --> 01:44:23,940
The height of the proposed structures

1131
01:44:23,940 --> 01:44:27,800
is measured from the lower of the existing or proposed grade.

1132
01:44:28,440 --> 01:44:32,020
The project proposes a one-story residential residence

1133
01:44:32,300 --> 01:44:36,640
with a maximum height of 21 feet and seven and a quarter inches

1134
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:42,380
to the top of the roof material as measured from the east elevation of the primary residence

1135
01:44:42,380 --> 01:44:47,300
and that's highlighted in yellow here on the slide. I know the number is really tiny, but that's

1136
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:54,040
what it says. Although the roof elements of the 312 pitch are not considered pitch roof elements

1137
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:59,660
and are instead considered a shed roof subject to the flat roof height requirements.

1138
01:45:00,400 --> 01:45:29,900
Each portion of the residents and the accessory dwelling unit is below the additional 12-foot height limit as measured from the tallest property line. This project complies with the applicable height restrictions and will be required to provide a height certification from a licensed land surveyor during construction to demonstrate compliance with the plans and height limitations. These are some additional elevations of the home with the rear and the

1139
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:34,380
left elevation there. That will be facing the street.

1140
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:41,150
And these are the ADU elevations. Again, it's a single story.

1141
01:45:41,550 --> 01:45:45,050
It does go below that 12 foot property line.

1142
01:45:45,650 --> 01:45:48,330
So what's interesting here, and I guess I should pause a little bit

1143
01:45:48,330 --> 01:45:51,470
and explain what that 12 foot height line means

1144
01:45:51,470 --> 01:45:52,730
because I think it might be helpful.

1145
01:45:53,450 --> 01:45:55,930
If we were to go back over here on this site plan,

1146
01:45:56,090 --> 01:45:58,070
that's the other property line that we're talking about

1147
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:59,870
is this one here.

1148
01:45:59,870 --> 01:46:05,550
There's a bunch of little dots and elevation measurements because we have taken those and

1149
01:46:05,550 --> 01:46:11,130
matched them to the corners of the building to measure that 12 foot above property line.

1150
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:19,070
And so if we were to go here on these elevations, these elevations then have the property line

1151
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:23,730
measurement and what that is and it would match and then 12 feet above that.

1152
01:46:23,790 --> 01:46:27,230
So that's where these dotted lines are, they're the 12 and the 16.

1153
01:46:27,230 --> 01:46:32,970
In this case, because the project has flat roof elements and not pitched, we were looking

1154
01:46:32,970 --> 01:46:34,250
at the 12-foot line.

1155
01:46:35,750 --> 01:46:39,770
So with all of that, the project is complying essentially.

1156
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:43,770
But I wanted to explain that a little bit because especially when we come here to the accessory

1157
01:46:43,770 --> 01:46:48,790
dwelling units, and you see where the property line is drawn versus where the 12-foot height

1158
01:46:48,790 --> 01:46:50,610
line is very clearly under that.

1159
01:46:51,190 --> 01:46:55,010
And so this project is very much complying with the requirements that they need.

1160
01:46:55,870 --> 01:47:04,030
So moving on, the citizen participation program was held on June 2nd, 2026, for attendees

1161
01:47:04,030 --> 01:47:05,950
from the public came to the meeting.

1162
01:47:06,470 --> 01:47:11,570
They were in general support of the project, and there were general questions that were

1163
01:47:11,570 --> 01:47:14,050
received, mostly just curiosity about the project.

1164
01:47:14,910 --> 01:47:20,710
And a public hearing notice was mailed on August 20th, 2026, and no comments were received.

1165
01:47:21,570 --> 01:47:27,570
The project has been determined to be exempt from environmental review pursuant to California

1166
01:47:27,570 --> 01:47:33,970
Environmental Quality Act guidelines, 15303A, which exempts the construction of small structures,

1167
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:38,170
including a single family residence and an accessory dwelling in it.

1168
01:47:38,650 --> 01:47:44,170
The proposed project, with conditions incorporated, is consistent with the objectives and policies

1169
01:47:44,170 --> 01:47:49,510
of the general plan and local cost of plan and demonstrates compliance with applicable sections

1170
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:54,090
of the Incinitas Municipal Code and objective design standards in the city of

1171
01:47:54,090 --> 01:47:59,090
Incinitas, design standards, and guidelines document. The findings can be made

1172
01:47:59,090 --> 01:48:04,150
to support the project staff recommends approval of the design review permit and

1173
01:48:04,150 --> 01:48:09,190
the coastal development permit. Myself and the applicant are here at the meeting

1174
01:48:09,190 --> 01:48:12,570
and available to answer any questions you may have. Thank you for your time.

1175
01:48:14,090 --> 01:48:18,830
Thank you, Christina. Any commissioner questions for the staff?

1176
01:48:18,830 --> 01:48:33,210
I had one, please. Thank you for the presentation. If you could go back to the slide where you were showing the outline of the easement, I had a question regarding that.

1177
01:48:38,150 --> 01:48:41,290
Okay. Is this the image you're looking for? Yes.

1178
01:48:44,070 --> 01:48:51,890
Right above the lower left part of the easement, it looks like there's a little somewhat triangular

1179
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:55,430
piece of land that's excluded from the easement.

1180
01:48:55,430 --> 01:49:02,710
It has two little boxes in it, but it looks like it's kind of stranded because there's a

1181
01:49:02,710 --> 01:49:07,690
property line, so there's additional property adjacent property next to it.

1182
01:49:07,690 --> 01:49:16,150
I'm curious why that is not part of the easement or and it doesn't have any intended use.

1183
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:24,170
Yeah, so for that, yes and yes, let me go to a different image really quickly and get my help.

1184
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,700
Let's see, let's wait for it. Okay, there we are.

1185
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:46,620
So this is the sleep slope analysis in the why we're seeing slopes that are less than 25% grade, the yellow are 25% to 40% grade, and then the red is over 40% grade.

1186
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:59,760
So where is our red outline on this particular project or this particular sheet? This time it's not a red outline, it's rather just kind of a dotted outline that if you can kind of imagine.

1187
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:29,840
What it was in the previous slide. There is a little pocket here where there are no steep slopes. The applicant has decided to take advantage of that and add for themselves a small footpath to these little sheds here that they use for whatever reasons they use it for. And so they are allowed to do that. The reason why they would want to do that now, and maybe not leave that off the plan

1188
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:39,780
is because it would make more sense to create a boundary for this easement that is as simple

1189
01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:45,720
to explain as possible and doing a little pocket like this isn't really that advantageous

1190
01:50:45,720 --> 01:50:52,320
to us. However, it is to the property owner. And because it's not steep slopes, we say, hey,

1191
01:50:52,460 --> 01:50:57,960
why don't we go ahead and utilize that for our future use for whatever reason they would

1192
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:04,040
like to, as long as it's when the thing code. So that's why does that help?

1193
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:14,060
It does. Thank you. So then for them to access that flat part of the slope, they will

1194
01:51:14,060 --> 01:51:24,640
access it that through the the easement that the so they it's very hard to tell here, but it's

1195
01:51:24,640 --> 01:51:32,760
Why it enough for a footpath so just a tiny little area here where you can kind of walk between the property line and the easement line

1196
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:36,320
I know it's hard to look at in this particular document, but

1197
01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:43,520
Let's see if we go back. I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I can tell that from the drawing. It just looked like a stranded piece of

1198
01:51:44,260 --> 01:51:50,180
Landon I it struck me as odd that it was there. So I understand that. Oh, thank you

1199
01:51:51,660 --> 01:51:59,480
While that image is up on the screen, or it was, can you explain the area that's crosshatched?

1200
01:51:59,580 --> 01:52:04,960
It looks like there's yellow slope area that is crosshatched.

1201
01:52:05,870 --> 01:52:09,200
So that is steep slope that is part of the development.

1202
01:52:09,740 --> 01:52:11,840
Yes, so it's an excellent question.

1203
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,920
These are steep slopes that were on the property.

1204
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:22,000
These are the steep slopes that they are indicating was part of the encroachment that they calculated.

1205
01:52:22,700 --> 01:52:26,800
And so in order for us to understand, okay, where was that spatially?

1206
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,440
They've put this cross hatch pattern on for us.

1207
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,920
What's important to know because I'm seeing on the screen there are some yellow spots that are like in the driveway sections.

1208
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:42,740
We do have within our code that encroachment into steep slopes for purposes of accessing the property

1209
01:52:42,740 --> 01:52:49,480
or for coming into, say, your garage or something like that, it doesn't count towards the encroachment.

1210
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:53,640
And so, even though we may see some small portions that are within the driveway,

1211
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:55,440
they did not count towards encroachment.

1212
01:52:56,440 --> 01:52:58,960
What is the allowed encroachment?

1213
01:52:59,320 --> 01:52:59,900
10%.

1214
01:52:59,900 --> 01:53:00,700
10%.

1215
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:02,840
And are they at 9.9?

1216
01:53:03,180 --> 01:53:03,300
Yes.

1217
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:09,240
Is it common to put the remaining slope into an easement?

1218
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:17,100
Yeah, so our code requires any steep slopes that were not disturbed as part of the property development

1219
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:24,160
be preserved into an open space easement, and so that's why we're doing what we're doing.

1220
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:25,100
Thank you.

1221
01:53:26,940 --> 01:53:28,340
Any, go ahead.

1222
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:34,460
I'd like to ask about the connection to the sewer, which runs along the east portion of the property

1223
01:53:34,460 --> 01:53:36,620
and how that will be developed.

1224
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,640
So that's a good question.

1225
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:48,880
There is a sewer easement that runs along the cow trans right away, which is on the easterly part of the property.

1226
01:53:49,380 --> 01:53:52,680
It's kind of between the property and the freeway, if you will.

1227
01:53:53,220 --> 01:53:58,280
They are not connecting to sewer from there. I think that's a good thing to clarify.

1228
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:08,060
This particular image that we have on the screen now is essentially showing that the property is going to take sewer connection from the ocean view avenue.

1229
01:54:08,060 --> 01:54:11,760
so I can zoom in just a little bit because it looks like it's hard to see out

1230
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:17,380
there. This blue line is the sewer line and so that's where they're going to take

1231
01:54:17,380 --> 01:54:23,000
it from. Does that require a sump pump? I will leave that to the applicant. I don't

1232
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:24,560
recall off the top of my head.

1233
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:37,940
Let's can keep that one up. My question is up at the

1234
01:54:37,940 --> 01:54:45,580
northern property line. The distance between the property line and the corner of

1235
01:54:45,580 --> 01:54:59,620
the ADU. Looks like it's according to your it's four feet. That's pretty tight. I think

1236
01:54:59,620 --> 01:54:59,960
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1237
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,720
So identified on page 6 of the plan of the municipal code analysis, and it's compliant. No one commented on that, and is that the code just 4 feet from a property line on a site as large as this? So it is a good thing to clarify. This particular zone is required to have a 10 foot side yard setback and that portion that you're looking at here on the north, that is a side yard. The 4 feet comes

1238
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:35,780
from the state code and the allowances for accessory dwelling units so the

1239
01:55:35,780 --> 01:55:41,220
only reason why this is as close as it is the four feet is because the state

1240
01:55:41,220 --> 01:55:47,180
codes allow for it. Okay and no we did not get any public comments on the

1241
01:55:47,180 --> 01:55:51,740
proximity of that ADU to the property line. All right

1242
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:59,760
and it's the ADU size is when

1243
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:02,720
we don't see a lot of ADUs come across so usually those are done

1244
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:04,440
administratively or ministerially.

1245
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:12,080
So this is the last ADU that came before us a few minutes ago was 456 square feet and

1246
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,740
I think the other one was approximately the same size.

1247
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:18,000
This is a 1100 square foot ADU.

1248
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:24,020
What do our codes say about the size of an ADU or is it a state mandate or could you just

1249
01:56:24,020 --> 01:56:30,660
give me some clarification on our codes versus city codes or state codes to allow an ADU to put

1250
01:56:30,660 --> 01:56:32,920
something four feet from our property line?

1251
01:56:33,300 --> 01:56:37,800
Yeah, so an accessory dwelling unit at maximum could have been 1,200 square feet.

1252
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:42,180
So they actually could have done even larger than they did by 100 square feet.

1253
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:47,820
And so yes, that is something that's also regulated by the state as well as our code.

1254
01:56:48,280 --> 01:56:50,720
And so that's the size that it could have been.

1255
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:51,920
It's not that much.

1256
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:57,540
And so yes, it's following the codes that are applicable.

1257
01:56:57,540 --> 01:57:10,120
Okay, and is there a fence that runs along the northern property line as submitted as it means to it can be as high as six feet. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Thank you.

1258
01:57:10,740 --> 01:57:14,800
Let's see if I had another one that was code setbacks

1259
01:57:18,380 --> 01:57:27,340
on the inland the hillside inland bluff overlay zone on page eight of 103 of the report.

1260
01:57:27,340 --> 01:57:50,120
I think you mentioned this, it says the site is composed of 65.7% parcel are area with less than 25% slope capacity, 27.6% of the parcel area with 25% of 40% slope capacity and 6.7% of the area with over 40% slope capacity.

1261
01:57:50,940 --> 01:57:56,940
The total area of the property within the steep slopes that are 25% or greater is 34%.

1262
01:57:56,940 --> 01:57:59,000
So it's a lot there for me.

1263
01:58:00,760 --> 01:58:07,100
How does that get incorporated into our approval process?

1264
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:13,240
You mentioned maybe pull up the hash, the one that Commissioner with the yellow and the red

1265
01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:13,680
on it.

1266
01:58:17,510 --> 01:58:20,830
And I guess does that all just kind of then go into the stew pot.

1267
01:58:20,830 --> 01:58:27,630
And as long as they're under 10% or there's two different things you're at 9.9% but it seems like

1268
01:58:28,510 --> 01:58:38,310
This is a very steep site site and is there anything of your concern in the hillside in limb left over a zone that we're too steep to build

1269
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:47,820
So this particular property you are correct a majority of the site or at least a large portion of the site is within steep slopes

1270
01:58:47,820 --> 01:58:51,820
maybe more than some of the other properties that we look at on a regular basis and

1271
01:58:53,040 --> 01:59:01,220
to answer your question, the 34.3% isn't exactly a key factor.

1272
01:59:02,040 --> 01:59:10,980
What is a key factor is, and it gets kind of confusing here the way that we articulate the numbers.

1273
01:59:11,540 --> 01:59:22,440
But if there is more than 10% of the whole lot that are steep slopes or 25% are more gradient,

1274
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:25,300
then they get an additional height restriction.

1275
01:59:25,940 --> 01:59:26,180
Okay.

1276
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:27,740
So that's one criteria.

1277
01:59:28,140 --> 01:59:28,360
All right.

1278
01:59:28,940 --> 01:59:32,080
Another criteria that comes into play is, okay,

1279
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:37,160
all of this area, the 34.3% portion,

1280
01:59:37,620 --> 01:59:40,660
the percent so much isn't as much of an interest

1281
01:59:40,660 --> 01:59:44,580
for this particular thing I'm about to explain,

1282
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:49,040
but it isn't that there's a lot here that's steep.

1283
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:59,960
and so of these steep slopes only 10% is allowable to be encroached within. So mapping all of the

1284
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,480
Soap's on to a parcel like this is helpful because it allows us to visually see where is that, especially, and where is the encroachment that the applicant is asking for in order to accommodate their development. And so the two different things, the criteria one is the height, the next one is the encroachment, the 34.3% is a little bit arbitrary in here because it's not directly linking towards anything. It's more of just information.

1285
02:00:29,480 --> 02:00:32,980
It's a statement, it's just identifying facts of the property.

1286
02:00:33,640 --> 02:00:37,600
But those are the two things, why we would be interested in some of this information.

1287
02:00:37,860 --> 02:00:43,720
And for Commissioner Dalton, the next paragraph, beginning with the proposed encroachment into steep slope.

1288
02:00:44,580 --> 02:00:49,300
Is that the hatched area that we're talking about that, is that being the 9.9%?

1289
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:50,300
That is correct.

1290
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:57,380
And is that 9.9% over the gross acreage, or the buildable area because if it's the buildable area,

1291
02:00:57,380 --> 02:00:59,880
Yeah, it looks like it's more than 9.9%.

1292
02:00:59,880 --> 02:01:08,200
So, is it 9.9% of the state's lower area or the yellow areas?

1293
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:17,320
Yeah, so anything that's red or yellow of those square foot areas, 10% of that, so it's

1294
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:18,100
not the whole lot.

1295
02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:21,060
It's just the colored areas in this case and this exhibit.

1296
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:22,380
That was very helpful.

1297
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:22,800
Thank you.

1298
02:01:25,160 --> 02:01:34,720
I think I just discovered a new term that I didn't know before but can you explain to me what the stirred rutter roll is?

1299
02:01:37,180 --> 02:01:44,780
You know, I don't know that I know that term very well either and I feel like I would be giving you a guess if I give you an answer.

1300
02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:53,020
I'm going to default here and ask for a line. Do you happen to know Denise? No? Does anybody on the dius now?

1301
02:01:53,020 --> 02:02:00,960
Oh hey, if you don't mind Mr. Books, if you could speak in the microphone otherwise we don't get it on the record.

1302
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:02,680
Thank you.

1303
02:02:05,060 --> 02:02:06,800
Not going to say this is 100%.

1304
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,480
But this used to be an avocado orchard.

1305
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:11,160
And so basically this land has all been disturbed.

1306
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:14,080
It's not native wild wild land.

1307
02:02:14,180 --> 02:02:20,820
So there's still existing avocado trees from the avocado orchard down closer to the wetlands.

1308
02:02:21,260 --> 02:02:24,800
That the roots reach down to the water table and they're able to survive naturally.

1309
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,120
But all this land has been farmed.

1310
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:30,000
It is all irrigated from the officolor orchard.

1311
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:37,000
The actual pre-these owners of the officolor orchard once still lives on the southeast corner

1312
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:44,900
and her daughter lives on the northwest corner, you know, and so there's still the family

1313
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:47,800
and then the brother owns the house behind the mother.

1314
02:02:48,340 --> 02:02:54,480
So they had a five acre parcel, partial and ports off, sold off some acres and this was

1315
02:02:54,480 --> 02:03:01,260
remained off. I got a orchard till 1950s or 60s. And then they turned off the irrigation and

1316
02:03:01,860 --> 02:03:07,260
most of the trees died. But so it's not native undisturbed land. So that's what the

1317
02:03:07,260 --> 02:03:10,440
disturb. So it's when you plant over it's native.

1318
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:15,400
It's all the native plants are gone. They've

1319
02:03:15,400 --> 02:03:24,720
till they've planted, they've irrigated, so it's nothing native is left when the drainage

1320
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:29,660
from the highway went through the base, which used to be, you know, the daughter used to ride

1321
02:03:29,660 --> 02:03:36,040
her horses on here, but when the highway five was built and expanded, that became a drainage

1322
02:03:36,040 --> 02:03:42,980
ditch, which that drainage ditch then brought wildlife from the occasional rain, you know, from the

1323
02:03:42,980 --> 02:03:52,540
highway runoff that goes through that wetland but that's just one more related to that there's

1324
02:03:52,540 --> 02:04:00,520
some existing old irrigation is that just going to leave that I mean it's going to have to be torn

1325
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:07,960
out in order to it to I mean so we're basically need to excavate even for the driveway so all that's

1326
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:13,680
going to be torn out. They're still in the steep slopes. There's still irrigation in there.

1327
02:04:14,140 --> 02:04:20,220
I don't believe I'm allowed to tear that out. So wherever there's building, it'll be torn out.

1328
02:04:20,820 --> 02:04:26,420
Wherever it remains, it needs to remain just because I don't think I'm allowed to touch it.

1329
02:04:26,540 --> 02:04:28,840
Okay. Thank you for the explanation. Sure. No problem.

1330
02:04:32,500 --> 02:04:37,220
Two quick questions. Well, quick questions. One in the biology report, they noted

1331
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:43,400
an endangered species that the Vero, the least Vero turn, I think, or the least Vero.

1332
02:04:44,140 --> 02:04:51,240
That's was found down in the scrub area, and that's not going to be disturbed, is that

1333
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:51,400
right?

1334
02:04:52,140 --> 02:04:52,740
You are correct.

1335
02:04:53,160 --> 02:04:53,660
Okay, great.

1336
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:54,660
Thank you for that.

1337
02:04:55,480 --> 02:04:59,980
And then, since you just, just propped into my head, drainage was-

1338
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,560
Another project, it's a pretty steep slope. There's going to be natural rain this year that's going to come down the slope. Does the applicant, does the, do the drawings require any sort of, I mean, we have stormed in requirements, so everything that's buildable kind of has to be part of the stormwater management program, but is the applicant required to do any grading or any adjustments to the slopes to make sure that they're stable? Or is that just going to remain natural?

1339
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:33,180
And it's natural. It just is what it is.

1340
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:55,670
It's going to remain the way that it is. And that's part of the open space easement is that it will just remain that way in perpetuity. And the idea being that over time, the natural landscape will begin to recover and come back. I think that probably take a while, but that is the idea.

1341
02:05:55,670 --> 02:06:00,630
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much, Christina.

1342
02:06:02,730 --> 02:06:05,370
The applicant is here. Would you like to address the commission?

1343
02:06:12,620 --> 02:06:19,840
Hi, my name is John Brooks and this is my civil engineer, Joel Weymire. Appreciate everyone's time tonight. I know it's getting late.

1344
02:06:20,540 --> 02:06:26,360
Just wanted to explain the background of the project just so I know it sounds like there's a lot of developers that come in here.

1345
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:28,080
I have two small children.

1346
02:06:28,260 --> 02:06:30,620
I'm looking to build a house for me, my family.

1347
02:06:31,100 --> 02:06:34,300
I have one remaining parent, my wife has one remaining parent.

1348
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:37,060
We're still planning to do a multi-generational house.

1349
02:06:37,660 --> 02:06:41,620
There are ADA requirements for our living situation,

1350
02:06:41,620 --> 02:06:44,780
which is why we've been looking for a place to build a single story house.

1351
02:06:46,900 --> 02:06:51,360
The size of this lot, as well as the restrictions on high restrictions,

1352
02:06:51,880 --> 02:06:54,860
and to merge together where this tends to be a good place.

1353
02:06:56,340 --> 02:07:01,520
We, because of the highway noise, we tried to build as far west as possible to minimize

1354
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:05,140
that as you go down the slope, noise increases the closer you get to the highway.

1355
02:07:06,120 --> 02:07:08,320
Staying away from the wetlands has also been important.

1356
02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:14,940
In terms of the, you know, grading and how far down, that's the sewer, the question about

1357
02:07:14,940 --> 02:07:18,880
the sewer drainage to ocean you having was one of the important things.

1358
02:07:19,940 --> 02:07:26,320
In that, in terms of where we're grading to in order to be able to still naturally slope

1359
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,860
and Joel knows all the technicalities, but that was one of the requirements.

1360
02:07:32,620 --> 02:07:37,420
I think that's all I have, I don't know, do you have anything to add Joel or available for questions?

1361
02:07:37,640 --> 02:07:39,000
Available for questions if you have any.

1362
02:07:39,300 --> 02:07:42,040
Okay, thank you for coming tonight and thank you for that explanation.

1363
02:07:43,620 --> 02:07:45,260
Are there any public comments on this?

1364
02:07:46,080 --> 02:07:46,340
Thank you.

1365
02:07:46,340 --> 02:07:52,160
All right, I'm going to close the public comment portion, open up to Commissioner deliberation.

1366
02:07:54,250 --> 02:07:55,390
Anyone want to start?

1367
02:07:59,100 --> 02:07:59,540
Start.

1368
02:08:00,020 --> 02:08:00,220
Okay.

1369
02:08:00,740 --> 02:08:01,040
Happy to.

1370
02:08:01,340 --> 02:08:03,740
Yeah, I found that property would be very interesting.

1371
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:08,700
It's got a variety of aspects to it, the interesting architecture.

1372
02:08:09,740 --> 02:08:13,760
We don't see very many single stories spread out so wide.

1373
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:19,480
And in a position where it was presented, I found that very interesting.

1374
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:26,920
and including the dedicated natural habitat space with wetland in it, that also has a major

1375
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:31,340
sewer line running right outside of it and left by freeway. So, all very interesting.

1376
02:08:31,940 --> 02:08:44,380
And I didn't find anything specifically outstanding as far as concerns, and so I was fairly supportive

1377
02:08:44,380 --> 02:08:47,660
of the design and the support of the project moving forward.

1378
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:49,920
Okay.

1379
02:08:52,180 --> 02:08:58,480
Yeah, I, you know, the context of the ADU and the single story,

1380
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:01,640
we rarely get that because of the densities and people tend to go vertical.

1381
02:09:02,300 --> 02:09:06,480
So it makes a lot of sense now a little bit more because we haven't seen too many of those.

1382
02:09:06,700 --> 02:09:08,840
So I agree with Commissioner Whitaker.

1383
02:09:08,980 --> 02:09:10,620
I think it's a good project for the site.

1384
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:15,760
You've tried to accomplish as much as you can as far away from the freeway as possible.

1385
02:09:16,240 --> 02:09:20,100
for both personal and for, you know, just in the slope issue also.

1386
02:09:20,380 --> 02:09:24,900
And, you know, you came in, you squeaky, you squeaked right under the 10% rule.

1387
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:30,020
I'm sure that took a lot of deliberation by your consultants and well done.

1388
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:33,780
It seems to meet everything and this is a complicated deal.

1389
02:09:34,640 --> 02:09:38,820
And so I appreciate staff's clarification on a lot of these items.

1390
02:09:39,000 --> 02:09:41,700
We don't see them all the time, so thank you for your time tonight.

1391
02:09:41,940 --> 02:09:42,860
Thanks, staff. That was a good one.

1392
02:09:44,220 --> 02:09:45,640
I would support the project.

1393
02:09:48,890 --> 02:09:50,530
I also support the project.

1394
02:09:51,010 --> 02:09:55,310
I think it, on first blush, it looks like a tough site to build on, because it is so

1395
02:09:55,310 --> 02:09:55,630
steep.

1396
02:09:56,270 --> 02:09:59,850
and to see that you're able to fit large singles

1397
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:13,560
I appreciate the, you know, conformance to the regulations and it will be nice to have that large slope preserved.

1398
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:29,980
Some of those avocado trees at the bottom will survive, but that's not, you know, that I think that era is over for that property. But it will provide a nice kind of a migratory path for other animals that are in the area. So, I think that's a good thing.

1399
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:40,420
I'm happy to see so much of it staying as it is and eventually rewilding so overall I think it's a good project for the area.

1400
02:10:47,260 --> 02:10:57,200
You're pointing out that there's a correspondence submitted to us on this property or project for some organization about housing.

1401
02:10:57,540 --> 02:11:00,760
I was confused why that applied to a single family home.

1402
02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:08,140
but I don't want to distract. I also support the project. I don't find that

1403
02:11:08,140 --> 02:11:12,820
that letter has with anything it's asking us to support the project and I

1404
02:11:12,820 --> 02:11:20,400
already support it for other reasons and so let me just say I concur with your

1405
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:25,120
comments and I hope you get a nice house for your family out of it but we're not

1406
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:30,840
quite, quite there. Any other final comments or I would suggest a motion?

1407
02:11:33,700 --> 02:11:37,460
I'll move approval. Seconded. Thank you. Let's call the vote.

1408
02:11:47,100 --> 02:11:50,580
Okay. Thank you for staying late tonight and you're approved 5-0.

1409
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:52,460
I look forward to seeing your house bill.

1410
02:12:01,710 --> 02:12:01,790
Okay.

1411
02:12:04,030 --> 02:12:08,870
Item 9 tonight is future agenda items added by the Planning Commissioners.

1412
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:12,490
Are there any future agenda items? Mr. Whitaker.

1413
02:12:14,610 --> 02:12:17,730
Chair Dalton, I was wondering if perhaps we could get in.

1414
02:12:18,250 --> 02:12:23,370
I don't have a future agenda item to propose to be added to the agenda at this time, but

1415
02:12:23,370 --> 02:12:27,990
I was wondering if perhaps we could just get updated about the work plan, perhaps some

1416
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:33,370
of the progress with things on the work plan as well as the work plan itself being presented.

1417
02:12:33,370 --> 02:12:43,110
I know that we're having a switch over with Andrew now stepping in for Secretary and I

1418
02:12:43,110 --> 02:12:47,510
thought maybe some discussion about process and moving forward would be helpful.

1419
02:12:47,890 --> 02:12:48,030
Sure.

1420
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:56,350
Let me, I'll let this bleed into commission reports of some sort, but we're scheduled to go,

1421
02:12:56,610 --> 02:13:01,650
I'm scheduled to go to the City Council September 23rd, I believe you said.

1422
02:13:02,170 --> 02:13:02,550
That's correct.

1423
02:13:02,550 --> 02:13:13,170
Okay, September 23rd, you know, this commission approved the work plan at the two meetings

1424
02:13:13,170 --> 02:13:19,310
ago. I think it was two of you were missing. I think there was a quorum of three. We

1425
02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:26,170
voted approved it as it was written amended by Megan. And so that's in the works to go to

1426
02:13:26,170 --> 02:13:26,950
the city council.

1427
02:13:31,030 --> 02:13:37,490
And could I get is there any update with the inclusionary housing since

1428
02:13:37,490 --> 02:13:45,090
we've approved it any any movement with that. So the resolution and the attachment which

1429
02:13:45,090 --> 02:13:50,750
is exhibit A has been circulated for a signature. So before I circulated it I ensure that I

1430
02:13:50,750 --> 02:13:56,570
included those additional links related to the local agencies. And so once we finalize signatures

1431
02:13:56,570 --> 02:14:00,210
on our side, then we'll go ahead and route it through to the appropriate channels.

1432
02:14:01,190 --> 02:14:02,150
Great, thank you.

1433
02:14:02,810 --> 02:14:12,570
And the only other one that I was wondering about is that the code review, are we still expecting some sort of

1434
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:17,790
agendas topic on that?

1435
02:14:18,450 --> 02:14:22,310
Yes, before the end of this year, this will come back to the commission.

1436
02:14:27,870 --> 02:14:28,430
Okay,

1437
02:14:31,050 --> 02:14:35,730
great. Thank you. Okay. Are there any other planning commission reports?

1438
02:14:38,440 --> 02:14:42,300
All right, secretary reports. Nothing to report tonight. Okay.

1439
02:14:43,940 --> 02:14:50,820
With that, I'm going to adjourn the meeting until the next planning commission hearing on September 17th with that we're done.