1 00:00:04,700 --> 00:00:10,720 Thank you, fire evacuation for everyone who doesn't know straight out through those double doors 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:16,960 in the back or down through these on your right, downstairs out to the back door and please as far away from the building is possible. 3 00:00:17,700 --> 00:00:19,340 Secretary, please call the roll. 4 00:00:20,620 --> 00:00:31,280 Louis Fiori, Virginia Higgler, one of the gray, John Petronol is here, Francis Olimov, 5 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:42,040 is absent, John Muley, Kenneth Olensky, Vinigurolo, is absent, Christian D. Antonio, and 6 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,560 Nicholas Lefakis is absent. 7 00:00:44,820 --> 00:00:45,000 Thank you. 8 00:00:45,100 --> 00:00:49,420 Let the record show there's five regular members that will be seeding alternate member, 9 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:55,860 The Antonio tonight, in place of one of the regular members, probably Commissioner Lambo, who is not here for the act for protection agency. 10 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,900 And a Tanner motion for approval of minutes of November 16th, 2023. 11 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,560 Motion by Vice Chairman Higley, seconded by Vice Chairman DeGray, any discussion on the minutes. 12 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:10,140 Seeing none of those in favor of a set in the minutes. 13 00:01:10,300 --> 00:01:10,460 Hi. 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,760 A record show that it was pretty much an answer. 15 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:15,540 John, do you want to vote on the member you won't hear here? 16 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,980 I started to go to the entire meeting. 17 00:01:17,980 --> 00:01:26,930 Okay, so let the record show your unanimous six nothing to approve the minutes public communications or anyone to speak 18 00:01:26,930 --> 00:01:32,810 about the act for protection that's something that's not in our agenda going once going twice 19 00:01:33,610 --> 00:01:36,550 That's close any correspondence about act for protection 20 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:39,690 Seeing none new business 21 00:01:41,890 --> 00:01:44,370 New business is application 22 00:01:45,410 --> 00:01:51,910 X-A-R-A number 2740-moody road application for an aquifer registration renewal over the 23 00:01:52,550 --> 00:01:59,810 A45 and A50 aquifer town of Enfield, applicant owner, Matt 75, a lot 103, I1 zone. 24 00:02:00,770 --> 00:02:00,870 Thank you. 25 00:02:00,970 --> 00:02:02,410 Is the applicant representative here? 26 00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:04,190 Bill 24, D-P-W. 27 00:02:05,570 --> 00:02:05,930 Thank you, Bill. 28 00:02:06,090 --> 00:02:06,750 Can you just give us that? 29 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:07,250 You know? 30 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:10,630 With Georgia, give us a quick overview of the this aquifer application. 31 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:22,050 So what we're doing is we're looking to, obviously, as you guys know, you have a PNC approved the application, the fuel station renewal and update, 32 00:02:22,050 --> 00:02:28,150 What we're looking to do is renew our aquifer protection and registration. 33 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:35,700 It actually, I believe, it expired in January of this year. 34 00:02:36,020 --> 00:02:40,660 It was found out during the process of getting the planning and zoning application together. 35 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,760 So I put the application together and 36 00:02:48,570 --> 00:02:53,270 we created a best management practices, put that on there, 37 00:02:53,270 --> 00:03:00,270 and we renewed all of the information on the previous application submitted with the help of Georgie. 38 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:04,490 Thank you, Georgie anything you want to add to this? 39 00:03:04,630 --> 00:03:04,830 Sure. 40 00:03:05,590 --> 00:03:09,270 So I expected the site and it was very clean. 41 00:03:09,470 --> 00:03:10,070 Well organized. 42 00:03:10,490 --> 00:03:19,510 There were a couple of recommendations I made about the location of trash vehicles and just some dumpster notes to keep an eye on. 43 00:03:19,510 --> 00:03:23,270 And then, so their original registration include 44 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:26,770 activities, ADV and X, however, because they're pending, 45 00:03:26,810 --> 00:03:29,270 the planning and zoning for ASAP and modification 46 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:32,650 to move underground storage tanks and to put in 47 00:03:32,650 --> 00:03:33,950 a background storage tanks. 48 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:35,430 It's a lot better for the environment. 49 00:03:35,950 --> 00:03:39,250 And I recommend a condition that activity A, 50 00:03:39,510 --> 00:03:41,830 B is suspended after the completion of project 51 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:44,430 under Excess U23-01. 52 00:03:45,370 --> 00:03:49,030 Just to keep them as a safe backup, just in case something 53 00:03:49,030 --> 00:03:54,090 goes wrong during the application process, they could always go back to activity A if they need to. 54 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:57,490 The goal is to hopefully never have to do USTs again. 55 00:03:58,590 --> 00:04:03,310 Everything else was in compliance with the regulations and there were no violations. 56 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:04,790 Thank you. 57 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:06,350 I just have an order of business to do. 58 00:04:06,350 --> 00:04:07,190 Commissioner Lamal. 59 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:09,210 I did seek Mr. and the Antonio for this. 60 00:04:09,750 --> 00:04:10,290 Would you? 61 00:04:10,590 --> 00:04:11,390 Would you like to come in? 62 00:04:11,510 --> 00:04:12,370 You want to sit this one up? 63 00:04:12,810 --> 00:04:13,830 Just want to make sure. 64 00:04:14,030 --> 00:04:16,670 So, Commissioner Lamal is going to sit this one out since he came in a little late. 65 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:17,110 put. 66 00:04:17,510 --> 00:04:21,670 Now, are there any questions for the applicants or staff on this? 67 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:22,490 Nope. 68 00:04:22,530 --> 00:04:25,410 Everyone in the stands were, you know, the pool for this would be with the one condition. 69 00:04:27,770 --> 00:04:27,870 Okay. 70 00:04:28,110 --> 00:04:29,150 Thank you very much. 71 00:04:29,630 --> 00:04:29,890 Seeing none. 72 00:04:30,010 --> 00:04:31,230 I'll entertain a motion to. 73 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:32,470 Is this a public hearing? 74 00:04:32,630 --> 00:04:32,970 No. 75 00:04:32,970 --> 00:04:33,130 No. 76 00:04:33,450 --> 00:04:34,590 I'll entertain a motion to approve. 77 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:38,840 Motion to. 78 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:39,020 Motion. 79 00:04:39,660 --> 00:04:39,700 Motion. 80 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:41,320 That's okay. 81 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:41,780 Yeah. 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:42,560 Yeah. 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,080 I'd like to make a motion to approve. 84 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:54,460 ARA number 27 dashed 40 moody road application for an aquifer renewal registration over the A45 and A50 aquifer's town of Enfield, 85 00:04:54,620 --> 00:05:00,840 applicant owner map 75, lap 103, I one zone with the one condition listed. 86 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:12,700 The condition is activity A is to be suspended after the completion of the project under XSU number 23-01. 87 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:13,360 buchadneadasund, thank you. 88 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:16,260 Secondary I civilians. 89 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,240 The mongeon made by the Secretary of 90 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,460 IIlovex Christianudene to prove this into discussion. 91 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,920 Seeing them will we ready Mr. Secretary? 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,460 On the point of death, we can book a webinar that was 93 00:05:29,460 --> 00:05:29,860 over a moment at the credit fee. 94 00:05:29,860 --> 00:05:30,120 Action. 95 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:31,360 Of rogue. 96 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,140 Uh, Kenneth Owensky. 97 00:05:33,300 --> 00:05:35,260 KorchidianScript, John Petronola, 98 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:38,180 is for the record shows unanimous to approve this 99 00:05:38,180 --> 00:05:40,400 accurate protection, you're all sitting there. 100 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:41,740 I think you're all sitting out with the project. 101 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:45,040 I think that was probably it, thank you for coming tonight. 102 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:45,740 Thank you. 103 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:47,520 Excuse me, Mr. Chair, I don't want to clarify. 104 00:05:48,140 --> 00:05:50,420 Is it six voting members or seven? 105 00:05:51,260 --> 00:05:52,700 Because you also have Commissioner Mule. 106 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,960 One, two, three, four, if there's seven voting members. 107 00:05:58,500 --> 00:05:59,800 OK, so you also have so many votes. 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:00,400 Commissioner Mule, yes. 109 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,560 OK, because you also stated six votes for the minutes as well. 110 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:05,140 So just to correct it. 111 00:06:05,140 --> 00:06:05,980 That should be right. 112 00:06:06,220 --> 00:06:06,720 Yeah, it was seven. 113 00:06:06,860 --> 00:06:07,560 Yes, thank you very much. 114 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Thank you. 115 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,660 Thank you. 116 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:10,660 Thank you. 117 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:14,910 So that's what I just want to thank again staff, 118 00:06:15,270 --> 00:06:16,710 especially Georgie, for all the work she's done 119 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,170 in the last couple years on Act for Protection, 120 00:06:18,270 --> 00:06:20,310 getting us back up to snuff and up to the on target. 121 00:06:20,990 --> 00:06:22,950 Really nice job for an old staff. 122 00:06:23,030 --> 00:06:23,150 Yeah. 123 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:24,770 So we're all right, thank you. 124 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:24,950 We're all right. 125 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:27,310 Let's something like this pops up. 126 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:29,650 That's, you know, you don't know about it last minute, 127 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:32,310 but again, thank you so much for all your work. 128 00:06:32,490 --> 00:06:33,330 Thank you. 129 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:35,590 And I'll entertain a motion to adjourn this meeting. 130 00:06:35,590 --> 00:06:36,270 No, no. 131 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:40,650 me by Vice Chairman DeGrey, second by Vice Chairman Higley, to adjourn the Act for Protection 132 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:41,150 Agency. 133 00:06:41,650 --> 00:06:43,830 We will be back at 7 o'clock for the Planings One meeting. 134 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,360 The call is meeting of the InfoPlanings Zoning Commission to Order of Thursday, December 21st at 7pm. Please rise for pledge of allegiance. 135 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,300 Thank you, everybody. Fire, evacuation, right behind you out through the double doors, or to your right down these 136 00:30:08,300 --> 00:30:14,060 set of doors down the stairs and out towards the back and of course many things going on. Please walk away as far as you can from the building. 137 00:30:14,940 --> 00:30:16,920 Mr. Secretary, roll call, whatever you're ready. 138 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,980 Yes, Mr. Chair, I'll lose for you. 139 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,160 Here, Virginia Higley. 140 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:21,580 Here. 141 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,060 One to the gray. 142 00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:23,880 Here. 143 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,560 John Petron, I was here. 144 00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:27,220 Francis Alimo. 145 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:29,740 Joseph Muway. 146 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:30,420 Here. 147 00:30:30,580 --> 00:30:31,380 Kenneth Holensky. 148 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:31,820 Here. 149 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,180 Vinnie Grillo. 150 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:34,520 Here. 151 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:36,820 Hi, what was that? 152 00:30:39,540 --> 00:30:40,500 Christian DeAntonio. 153 00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,400 And Nicholas LaFancus is absent. 154 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:44,260 Thank you. 155 00:30:44,260 --> 00:30:46,300 Let the record show that all the regular members are here. 156 00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:51,840 in attendance, so for Mr. Lefakis who couldn't make it tonight, in our 157 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,740 chain of motion to prove the minutes of December 7th of regular meeting, motion made by 158 00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:01,040 Vice Chairman Higley, is there a second? Seconded by Commissioner Halinsky, discussion 159 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:10,920 on the minutes. I had one question. I have one. Did you do roll call? Oh, you did, okay. 160 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,200 Okay, so John was it here on time? John just did roll call. No, I'm not meeting. Oh, that 161 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,120 Okay, I don't remember. All right. That's why yeah, it's okay. Commissioner Lambo. Yes 162 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:27,620 There's a section of the agenda that I was left off the minutes. Commissioner's correspondence whole section of that 163 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:35,870 Is not on the minutes and there's stuff that's act their commission's correspondence that are on the minutes 164 00:31:43,340 --> 00:31:49,080 I know we have somebody else take the minutes ethnic or somebody do it out of a recording. They're 165 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,520 So Lord, so Lord through the chair and Lori 166 00:31:55,240 --> 00:32:03,260 Yeah, unfortunately Rebecca was ill, and so that was kind of a last minute thing, so how 167 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:06,380 are other risk-wording secretary did do them over the weekend? 168 00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:09,620 So we'll have her check it. 169 00:32:09,820 --> 00:32:11,300 So she's our temporary. 170 00:32:11,580 --> 00:32:12,760 So she's in the office, so. 171 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,060 I don't know. 172 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:15,440 This was stamped into the town clerk. 173 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,900 So it needs to be amended. 174 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,200 So the amendment occurs on to these next on tonight's minutes. 175 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,380 Well, I don't know what it was for Bataum. 176 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,460 Well, the minutes are not for Bataum and never. 177 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:27,960 Not for Bataum. 178 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:28,820 Well, it's not even on there. 179 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Okay. 180 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,440 Section is not on there. 181 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,820 We'll put something in. 182 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,820 We can go back to the video. 183 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,060 It's still there. 184 00:32:35,260 --> 00:32:35,400 Okay. 185 00:32:35,660 --> 00:32:36,000 Thank you. 186 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,500 Would you accept an amendment tonight, Mr. 187 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,500 Commissioner Alaymo, stating that there was a... 188 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,780 Can we be second here? 189 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Correspondence. 190 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,660 It concerns correspondence of that commissioner. 191 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,340 Alaymo questioned the resignation letter of Chairman Fiori. 192 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:52,160 Would that satisfy you if we made that amendment tonight? 193 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,600 No, I'd like it for you. 194 00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:54,180 We don't do for Betham. 195 00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:55,680 We do not do for Betham minutes. 196 00:32:55,780 --> 00:32:58,320 Well, maybe not for Betham, but I'd like to have you go back to the video 197 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,340 and at least get some contents out of it. 198 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,080 Not that I just simply questioned it. 199 00:33:03,300 --> 00:33:04,800 The amount of time of motion to table the minutes. 200 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,620 So unfortunately, I won't be here for the next minute. 201 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,520 I needed to approve those minutes since you're on one of the compromise. 202 00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:12,900 When the amount of time of motion to table the minutes won't be forgotten either. 203 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,500 Anybody who made the first please? 204 00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:19,280 Well, the chair made it, but I don't know if the chair can make a motion. 205 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,240 Does it have any questions? 206 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:20,740 I don't know. 207 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,060 I mean, the motion to ask if a motion to secondative minutes of commissioner line will 208 00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:27,460 meet a motion the second in minutes is there a second? 209 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,120 I mean, table the minutes, is there a second? 210 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:30,640 Second, is there a second? 211 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,860 Second, by commissioner to gray. 212 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:36,900 All those that favor will in a table, the minutes signify by saying aye. 213 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,560 There's only two. 214 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:41,620 So the minutes are not tables. 215 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,140 So again, we're going to go back to the discussion on the minutes. 216 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,680 I made a recommendation at the, we could amend the minutes tonight stating that 217 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,820 I'm going to show him a limo question. 218 00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:55,120 Some of the things that Chairman Fiori said in his resignation letter, and that would be amended 219 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,100 to this minutes. 220 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840 I'll make that motion as a chairman if that's acceptable to the group, because we don't 221 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,840 do verbatim minutes. 222 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,560 Is there a second to that amendment? 223 00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:06,500 Seconded by Commissioner Hoelensky. 224 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,300 All those of favor of amending the minutes has question? 225 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:10,700 Questions? 226 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:11,400 Yeah. 227 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:15,860 So I think there was more than just a question that was a back and forth. 228 00:34:16,620 --> 00:34:19,940 So I question you answered, so it should be the 229 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:24,140 content of the discussion. We don't do that. People want to see the contents 230 00:34:24,140 --> 00:34:27,960 Frank, they go to the video. That's what we do now. The minister's supposed to be 231 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,900 just the actions of the commission. I'm trying to work a compromise with you 232 00:34:31,900 --> 00:34:35,160 because people go to the video. People are really interested about that back and 233 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,280 forth you and I had to go watch the YouTube video. That's what we've done. That's 234 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,720 what we started to do two years ago. That's what the council does. That's what the 235 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:44,460 Board of Ed does. Nobody does for a bit of minutes any longer. 236 00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:48,380 Well, it just ran a call that was left out and it was stuff put in that was okay 237 00:34:48,380 --> 00:34:56,420 I mean, I'm working with you to try to make sure to something in here that's agreeable so that people want to see if they can go back and watch you to video. 238 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,380 I'll go with that for now, but I'm not saying I will not take it more forward to. 239 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,300 Well, once we prove the minister approve Frank. 240 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:08,640 I will vote for it. 241 00:35:08,660 --> 00:35:09,200 Okay, that's fine. 242 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:12,400 I made a motion as a chairman to amend the minister state. 243 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,900 In a correspondence, that Commissioner or LIMO questioned Chairman Fiori's 244 00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:19,000 things in Chairman Fiori's resignation letter. 245 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,720 I made that motion is there a second. 246 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,800 I think Commissioner Felensky's second and that. 247 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,400 All those are favor of accepting the minutes as amended signify by saying I like the 248 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,660 record show is no. 249 00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:30,640 Yep. 250 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:31,380 Yep. 251 00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:32,480 Is it the one? 252 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:32,940 Yeah. 253 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,900 Are you a standing sentence you weren't here or are you going to vote? 254 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,580 One abstention. 255 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,320 The minutes are accepted as such. 256 00:35:41,790 --> 00:35:46,790 Account attorneys report. I know what date still same when is November 27th. 257 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:55,050 There is no executive session. No enforcement officers report tonight. Public communications. 258 00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:58,750 At this point in the meeting, the planning is only commission welcome's comments, concerns, 259 00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,630 and opinions related to planning, zoning and infield. 260 00:36:01,950 --> 00:36:05,790 For anyone who is present, provide the no one may discuss any matter of business at this time. 261 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:07,630 That is already elsewhere in your agenda. 262 00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:10,710 Any matter as part of an open public hearing of this commission. 263 00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:15,770 Or any matter where a decision is commissioned may be pending and that includes any legal pending business. 264 00:36:15,970 --> 00:36:18,930 So anyone like to come in front of the council to speak? 265 00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:19,750 Go ahead. 266 00:36:20,410 --> 00:36:21,510 Lots is not on agenda. 267 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:23,270 Okay. 268 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,120 Can you hear me? 269 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:31,380 No. 270 00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:31,860 You can. 271 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:34,320 It was it's red. 272 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:35,480 Can you hear? 273 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:35,860 Four. 274 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,700 You have a closer. 275 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:37,760 Okay. 276 00:36:38,180 --> 00:36:40,660 Angela Boss, 16 Crescent Beach Drive. 277 00:36:41,100 --> 00:36:42,780 I don't know if I can talk about this. 278 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:44,260 I want to ask you about this. 279 00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:52,400 At that last meeting, impact residential had some very unkind words to say about us and we 280 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,600 couldn't reach that. 281 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,100 That's up in the next part of the business. 282 00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:57,420 Thank you. 283 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,620 Thank you. 284 00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:59,260 Thank you. 285 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:00,460 Anybody else? 286 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:04,320 For the third time? 287 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,320 Seeing public communications closed. 288 00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:08,380 Moving on to the bond release. 289 00:37:08,540 --> 00:37:09,120 Mr. Secretary. 290 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:16,360 Yes. 291 00:37:37,540 --> 00:37:37,700 Okay. 292 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:41,940 Yes. 293 00:37:43,780 --> 00:37:48,840 The Ethel Planning and Zone of Commission here by approves a release of a landscaping 294 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,860 bond in the amount of $5,950 dollars to Eric Forge, Forge Construction Company submitted 295 00:37:53,860 --> 00:38:01,720 for the Project Public Hearing 2,925 family Ford 65 Hazard Avenue site improvements. 296 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,020 Thank you. 297 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,540 Sir, second, second by Commissioner Lensky, discussion on this. 298 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,400 The only question out to me if I'm, please, you know, correct me if I'm incorrect here. 299 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,120 It looks to me like this is kind of like a swap, it looks like they're, we're releasing 300 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,800 the construction companies bond, but then if your family forward is going to turn right 301 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,680 around and take back out the bond for the same amount because of work as I've been done yet. 302 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,960 Am I correct with that analysis? 303 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,000 I do believe that is. 304 00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:28,440 Thank you. 305 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:29,940 So I just want to make up. 306 00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:31,940 It's about $5,950. 307 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,320 $50? 308 00:38:32,820 --> 00:38:33,920 So I just want to make that point to everyone. 309 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:34,840 It works still isn't done. 310 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,820 They're just switching who's holding a bond. 311 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,440 So, there's been any other discussion? 312 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,820 What I understand also is that the new bond is currently in place. 313 00:38:46,100 --> 00:38:48,700 So, the reason that thereby is the release of this one. 314 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,160 Thank you, John. 315 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,440 Commissioner Petronoff. 316 00:38:51,580 --> 00:38:52,220 Thank you for the information. 317 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,940 Seeing no discussion, there's a motion was made in a second. 318 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,460 We'll call whenever you're ready. 319 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,160 Mr. Secretary? 320 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,160 Yes. 321 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,220 Lou Fiori. 322 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:02,060 Four. 323 00:39:02,220 --> 00:39:02,920 Linda the Grey. 324 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:03,600 Four. 325 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:04,400 Virginia Higway. 326 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,380 For instance, O'I'm O'Fore, Joseph Mueway. 327 00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:09,580 For Kenneth Zelensky. 328 00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:11,620 For John Petronol is for. 329 00:39:11,780 --> 00:39:14,000 With the record shows you an analyst to release this bond. 330 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,880 Moving on to continued public hearings. 331 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,980 We don't need to read the whole thing, so I just very quickly we're going to be reopening 332 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,500 hearing pH 378. 333 00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:25,380 Application of impact residential development for mixed development. 334 00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:28,220 What do you applicant in a public hearing is still open? 335 00:39:29,340 --> 00:39:30,480 Applicant and representative please go ahead. 336 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:31,920 We do want to mention for the record. 337 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:39,780 Please do not be repetitious tonight. We have a heard. Many comments. If you have something new to add to this public caring tonight 338 00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:44,380 Please come forward, but if you're going to come up and repeat some of the same things that you've said the last two days 339 00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:48,900 We have where the public here is open. Please don't please don't do that. So we're looking from new information 340 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120 So having said that 341 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,020 We'll never the applicant is ready. I presume you have some new information that you want to pass on to us tonight 342 00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:57,280 Thank you. 343 00:39:57,940 --> 00:39:58,120 Thank you. 344 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,320 Good evening, Mr. Chairman. 345 00:39:59,620 --> 00:40:00,360 There you are. 346 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:01,540 Good for us. 347 00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:01,760 Good for us. 348 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:01,980 Good to see you. 349 00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:06,900 Governor Chris Smith on behalf of well Chris Smith of Alter and Pearson. 350 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,860 I'm a land use attorney with Alter and Pearson at the outset. 351 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:15,660 I would like to extend my appreciation and thank you to your land use staff as well as Mr. 352 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:19,200 Gainer for arranging for me to participate this evening. 353 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,240 I remotely do to prior commitments that I have that require me to be out of town and 354 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:27,880 to apologize to the commission for not being able to attend this evening. 355 00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:32,760 But I do appear before you on behalf of the applicant, 356 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,820 Impact Residential Development LLC, 357 00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:41,800 concerning a proposed mixed use TOD proposal for a 70-unit community, 358 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:45,100 where 56 of the 70-units will be income restricted 359 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,500 to provide housing opportunities to the residents of the town. 360 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,520 At the outset, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to introduce the members of the team 361 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,700 we're here this evening. We're attending remotely. On behalf of Impact Residential, we have 362 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:04,900 Logan Kiwig, Development Manager, who is attending remotely. We have Peter Wood, Development 363 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:10,940 Consultant with Collaborative Development LLC, who is here in person. We also have Frank 364 00:41:10,940 --> 00:41:16,780 Faka, our License Professional Engineer and Project Manager with the BSC Group. Unfortunately, 365 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,620 Susan O'Dell, our License Professional Architect with Paul B. Bailey Architect LLC, is not well 366 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:28,420 things so she's not able to attend, but we do have from our office as well. 367 00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:34,620 Meg Hope was laying you's attorney with Ulpturm Pearson, Legal Counsel for Impact Residential. 368 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,740 Just a quick summary, as you may recall, we convinced the public hearing and the 369 00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:43,020 November 16th, where we made a formal presentation to the Commission in public. 370 00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:47,800 The hearing was continued to allow impact residential, the opportunity to address 371 00:41:47,800 --> 00:42:09,600 comments that were received at the hearing, and we returned to the Commission at your last meeting on December 7 for a continuation of the public hearing to address a number of comments, including an alternate architectural design for the buildings, a detailed summary regarding traffic and parking, and a detailed explanation of the stormwater quality and management system. 372 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:31,340 The Commission requested that the hearing be continued to this evening to allow members the opportunity to review the supplemental information that was provided and presented on December 7 and also to confirm that the town engineer had signed off on the proposal in particular relative to the strong water management system which has occurred. 373 00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:40,360 The Town Engineer had suggested the elimination of any runoff from the site sheet flow of prior 374 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,580 to entering an adjacent property to the two adjacent properties located on Pleasant Street 375 00:42:45,580 --> 00:42:51,800 that a but the subject property, Mr. Vaka, the BSC group incorporated the Town Engineer's 376 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,980 suggestions into the plan. As the commission is aware, the subject properties currently do not 377 00:42:56,980 --> 00:43:01,160 We have any stormwater collection or treatment system, any comprehensive system. 378 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,360 My client's proposal does provide for a comprehensive stormwater management system where, first, 379 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:14,280 the all stormwater will be collected and treated, be, all stormwater will be discharged after 380 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,520 treatment into the adjacent municipal stormwater system, where by no stormwater will sheet 381 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:25,880 flow onto adjacent properties and see there will be no increase in peak flows concerning 382 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,960 the discharge of this treated stormwater into the municipal system. 383 00:43:31,580 --> 00:43:35,340 What we'd like to do with this point with permission of the chair is to have Mr. 384 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,040 Vaca, our licensed professional engineer, the BSC group, 385 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:45,080 provide the commission with a brief summary of how he incorporated the Town Engineer's 386 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,360 suggestion into the site plan and stormwater management design, 387 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,660 whereby we now have a final sign-off from the Town Engineer or the proposal, 388 00:43:52,660 --> 00:44:19,500 which your Frank of Mr. Baca will be addressing is that that small strip of land between the two properties on pleasant street and the fact that with the modifications to the plan they're now going to be in pervious surface to allow for all the stormwater that does hit that portion of the property to be collected and not allowed to sheet flow off onto the two adjacent properties on either side of that strip. 389 00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:21,580 but again, with the permission of the chair, 390 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,780 I'll turn the presentation over in the Mr. Vaca. 391 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,480 Thank you. 392 00:44:24,820 --> 00:44:25,340 Yep, please do. 393 00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:26,740 Very good, can you all hear me? 394 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:26,940 Yes. 395 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:28,640 For the record, my name is Francis Vaca. 396 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:30,900 I'm a professional engineer with the BEC group 397 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:31,820 and class very Connecticut. 398 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,960 I'm going to go through very quickly the changes. 399 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:37,500 So I spoke directly with Mr. Kavevo, 400 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,180 with regard to the concerns that had been raised 401 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:41,480 at previous meetings. 402 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,460 One in particular relates to the small section 403 00:44:45,460 --> 00:44:47,700 of property owned by impact development. 404 00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:59,580 adjacent to 22 Puzz and Street. It was originally, it was previously indicated at previous meetings that this was to be converted to grass to infiltrate any additional water. 405 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,040 After further coordination with the town engineer, it was determined and it is, I should clarify, it is existing pavement, right now, it will remain pavement as a result of my coordination with Mr. Gabibou. 406 00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:27,940 Therefore, there will not be any infiltration directly adjacent to any of the properties basements or anything associated with this area. It will continue to discharge as it currently discharges down the slope onto Pleasant Street, 407 00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:30,200 which it has been doing for the duration. 408 00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,580 The other change that was made is there was concern 409 00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:36,540 with regard to one of the focal point, 410 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,560 one of the focal point water quality systems 411 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,780 located in the direction in the location I am identifying 412 00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:44,700 with the computer. 413 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,260 This has been removed and replaced by a double catch basin 414 00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:53,920 and standard water quality treatment unit 415 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,920 where it will discharge directly to the travel street. 416 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:09,040 The water quality unit is essentially a structure that will scroll the water around to collect all of the sediments and oils separate and it does not use any planted material. 417 00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:23,840 It is essentially just going through hydrodynamic means, treat the water and discharge it to travel street to clarify this modification to the design ensures that there will be no infiltration 418 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,720 associated with any of this norm water associated with this portion of the property in direct 419 00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:37,700 adjacency to 20,000 street. Those were the two main changes that had that came as a result of 420 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,880 my coordination with the Hound Engineer and we'll clarify all changes that have been 421 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:53,820 accordance with the conduct drainage manual, the 2004 water quality manual, the state of 422 00:46:54,340 --> 00:46:57,580 I will turn the presentation back over to Mr. Smith. 423 00:46:57,940 --> 00:46:58,780 Thank you. 424 00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,680 I have one file. 425 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:00,360 Okay. 426 00:47:00,780 --> 00:47:04,000 If I may ask one question, so if we go back to your slide. 427 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,980 So it's not the unfortunate part about this is we've not decreasing the previous coverage. 428 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:09,960 We're going back. 429 00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:11,720 Which was a nice about the original design. 430 00:47:11,980 --> 00:47:14,020 Even I do see why you made the change. 431 00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:17,760 I would up to the exact calculation. 432 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:25,820 And we have increased a large amount of pervious grass throughout the majority of this. 433 00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:30,560 But yes, there is a small section here as identified that will remain as impervious. 434 00:47:31,220 --> 00:47:31,660 Yes, that's too bad. 435 00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:33,800 Okay, but excuse me, I'd be the best solution. 436 00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:35,380 Thank you. 437 00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:36,260 Just for you. 438 00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:36,780 And again, Mr. 439 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:37,760 I'm sorry. 440 00:47:38,420 --> 00:47:38,740 Oh, no. 441 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:39,960 I just wanted to second that. 442 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,500 Yeah, I feel like this is a missed opportunity as well to decrease in pervious coverage. 443 00:47:45,660 --> 00:47:56,080 And from your past presentations from your analysis, there was to be no runoff to adjacent properties, that's correct. 444 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:57,420 Is that correct? 445 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:03,960 There was to be no runoff adjacent, but I cannot guarantee that there would not be infiltration. 446 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,160 Right, right. 447 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,480 That's the difference. 448 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,720 Right. 449 00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:26,760 And that was the concern that was the, we had comments from the adjacent property owners concerning not only the sheet flow, but also possible infiltration into their basements level. 450 00:48:27,420 --> 00:48:33,520 So I think the town engineer working with Mr. Bakker, Mr. Bakker working with the town engineer came up with this solution. 451 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:43,920 It's not what was proposed, but I suppose if you wanted to use a look at it, it's an alternative, but the sole purpose of what to address that comment from the Jason's property on his own pleasant. 452 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,820 Yeah, that told you that it's so, thank you. 453 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,020 Who's your animal? 454 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:54,820 So that change was made after the last meeting and before this meeting. 455 00:48:54,820 --> 00:49:02,640 That is correct. It was in the as a result of there being concerned with the town engineer not having fully 456 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:10,800 For lack of a better term clicked off his button. I confirmed that with him and I made sure that all of all comments that he may have had have been addressed 457 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,340 One of the comments that we discussed was his concern with regard to 458 00:49:14,940 --> 00:49:19,380 the potential for infiltration as a result of this which is why we have 459 00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:22,860 elected to maintain the existing payment as is. 460 00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:25,700 Well, I'm glad we waited because I think there was a lot of discussion and we were 461 00:49:25,700 --> 00:49:30,140 talking about red buttons and blue buttons in the town in Geneva had reviewed it. 462 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,600 So now he made these changes. 463 00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:35,260 So if we went move forward last meeting, these changes wouldn't have been made. 464 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:36,480 So I'm glad we waited. 465 00:49:36,980 --> 00:49:38,200 Thank you for the change. 466 00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:40,620 Very good. 467 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,580 Mr. Chairman, just for the record perspective, those were our comments, 468 00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:58,940 I know that hearing was continued to allow the commission on the opportunity to review the supplemental information from the last meeting, as well as to address the items with 10 engineers. 469 00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:08,120 So we don't know if the commission or anyone else may have any questions for the team and before we wrap up with our conclusions. 470 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:15,620 Yes, but what we're going to do is turn to Smith is we're going to be you guys going to continue what you're going to need to do them the public do get a chance to speak again 471 00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:21,620 Then you do get a chance to come back and answer any other concerns they have but I think I'm looking around to be quite frank 472 00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:24,460 If you I think it's our we need to close this public here tonight 473 00:50:24,460 --> 00:50:30,120 So we're going to keep on moving so go ahead if you want to you done or you have somewhere you need to go. I am also now 474 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,860 And let's Mr. Vakka has something further. I think we that that's all we have we just wanted to explain this to my 475 00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:40,600 Thank you. Thank you very much. We're going to have an opportunity to ask questions. 476 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,860 Yes, absolutely. Thank you. 477 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:46,400 We're open up for the public now since there seem to be unfold now until the public speaks. 478 00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:49,860 So give them a second to clear and we'll open for the public to come back up. 479 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,540 Yeah, you'll be coming back. Yeah. 480 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,860 I'm sure I'm sure to be something you want to respond to. 481 00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,980 There might be more questions from the commission. 482 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,100 So now is the public trying going to remind everyone again, please don't be repetitious. 483 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680 What you've already done, we've already had two public hearings already. 484 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,420 So if you have something new to offer, or comments, we'll definitely take that in the consideration. 485 00:51:14,140 --> 00:51:17,100 This commission is very good at reading the minutes and going back and watching the videos. 486 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:19,200 So we've heard all your comments already. 487 00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:21,600 So I think I would have half here. 488 00:51:21,780 --> 00:51:28,860 Looks like Jonathan Robertson, come on forward, Jonathan, and you have five minutes for your first 489 00:51:28,860 --> 00:51:29,340 time, please. 490 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,260 And in three minutes for a second time, 491 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,560 Jonathan, I have to identify yourself at a record 492 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,600 of your name and your address, please. 493 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,100 Make sure to mic sign and speak clearly right into it. 494 00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:48,860 Can you hear me, okay? 495 00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:49,380 Perfect. 496 00:51:49,380 --> 00:51:57,460 Beautiful for Jonathan Robinson 14 Pleasant Street. The only question I had was it looks like 497 00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:01,260 There's a right away currently there 498 00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:02,420 between 499 00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:05,380 where the Monastery Center was 500 00:52:08,090 --> 00:52:10,090 deconstructed and the 501 00:52:10,090 --> 00:52:11,230 the old 502 00:52:11,230 --> 00:52:15,570 movie theater and I was wondering where does that fit into this? 503 00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:21,550 Okay, we don't we don't do a given take it. It's for question. Oh, yeah, yeah 504 00:52:21,550 --> 00:52:28,090 that's the only question so a right away near what building A I'm not sure it doesn't 505 00:52:28,090 --> 00:52:34,870 look to be marked here but I see I notice a right away in between I'm not going to do 506 00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:38,410 give it a take but I notice a right away between building A and the corner of the 507 00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:42,370 parking lot yes they the applicant has mentioned at numerous times there is a right 508 00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:47,210 okay there what's happening to that right away what we can ask them to come back and 509 00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:51,230 Okay, so hang around. Okay, that's it. Okay. Thank you. 510 00:52:53,580 --> 00:52:55,980 Hope you to my friend is helping him a little bit. 511 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,060 I think it's Patricia Burns. 512 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,800 Patricia, you've been in front of us twice before. 513 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,180 Do you have something new you want to add? 514 00:53:14,780 --> 00:53:15,820 Yes. Okay. Please. 515 00:53:18,140 --> 00:53:21,180 Like my grandmother taught me there are three different ways to go in life. 516 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,740 Yeah, I mean, I just want to thank you. 517 00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:26,800 She burned 16 A.1 to 3. 518 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,040 The way that I was going was if he. 519 00:53:32,020 --> 00:53:37,600 I don't want to stem anybody in the back, you know, we're all here for a reason. 520 00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:45,000 I'm glad that they're willing to work on the certain things that Mr. Frost needed to be done. 521 00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:48,000 Okay, my back's off to you. 522 00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:55,880 And the other, I'd rather if we can, like I said with them, we can all work together. 523 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:57,600 Please, we're good. 524 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,900 Patricia, you have to address us, not the crowd, please. 525 00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:09,160 If we could all work together or this not only for people who may know, that could have the same thing that 526 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:15,900 me and my children are looking for for their future so that everybody can have it. 527 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:20,960 You know, I was going to do the step-toes, but that doesn't pay off in the end. 528 00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:28,020 But if we can all work together and come to an agreement for the benefit of the future. 529 00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:31,780 Thank you. Thank you very much. 530 00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:36,560 And I think that must be your daughter. I want to speak next. 531 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,260 Yeah, please come on up. 532 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,300 You're naming that just for the record, please. 533 00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:48,580 Gabrielle Burns, 168 Winters Street. 534 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:56,560 I was thinking maybe they can add floors to one building, doing six floors and 16 units, 535 00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,920 so they can contract to other building for parking. 536 00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:03,120 That's all I have. 537 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:04,300 Thank you. 538 00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:08,980 Jeff, 539 00:55:17,100 --> 00:55:22,500 boss, 16, Chris and Beach Drive, don't please the staff will pass that out. 540 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:23,620 Yeah, I'll let them pass that out. 541 00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:24,380 We're going to need that. 542 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,980 I would like to talk again about the parking in Thompsonville as it relates to the Union Square 543 00:55:28,980 --> 00:55:29,480 Project. 544 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:30,940 My issue is parking. 545 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,440 Do not approve this project as it does not benefit the area as presented. 546 00:55:35,700 --> 00:55:38,700 Again, I'm not against the new apartment's going in. 547 00:55:38,860 --> 00:55:39,620 I said this earlier. 548 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,920 I own what I call Marvin Gardens on the Game of Board walk and they are building park 549 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,580 place, which is great. But these are two different price points. This is not my competition 550 00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:59,240 at all. Their per price unit price is $471,000 given their $33 million project statement. 551 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:05,900 Can you imagine living in a half million dollar house with insufficient parking? Okay, so now 552 00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:09,200 I want to bring up something that has never been brought up and I missed it myself. Something 553 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:16,060 that is completely overlooked is that the parking in the parking numbers, as presented, is that 554 00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:21,920 the existing public parking lot, which is on Pleasant Street, beside my building at 20 Pleasant 555 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,760 Street, is behind and is behind the town pool, has been given to impact residential project. 556 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,580 Why was this never disclosed to the surrounding impact residents? 557 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,760 This creates another shortage of 23 additional parking spots, yes, I counted them. 558 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,800 and more issues with parking when the snow comes. 559 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,460 People that are currently using this municipal parking lot 560 00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:47,400 during the winter storms will no longer have a place 561 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,520 to park to get off the roads. 562 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,800 Everyone on that street has been using it for more than 20 years that I'm aware of 563 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:54,860 and now what? 564 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,640 The town already knows we have a major parking issue in Thompsonville so why 565 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,260 is the town just giving away our public parking for this project 566 00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:06,640 to go private and create a greater parking problem on the streets? 567 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,340 It's not 41 spots they're looking for. 568 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,660 Now they need 64 spots because they're taking 23 of our municipal parking lot from us for this 569 00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:16,440 private use. 570 00:57:17,020 --> 00:57:21,080 Where will everyone who has been using this lot park their vehicles in the winter? 571 00:57:21,460 --> 00:57:22,200 Was this overlooked? 572 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:28,720 They are taking our current municipal parking area and making it into a private parking area, requiring 573 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,640 these 23 parking spots to be added to their numbers. 574 00:57:32,220 --> 00:57:35,120 And what about parking spaces needed for their community center? 575 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:43,140 As the planning and zoning commission you can stop this, as presented, this project does not meet the requirement zoning regulations for parking. 576 00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:46,920 I'd like to go over the numbers on a handout. Did everybody get the handout? 577 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:55,420 Yeah. Okay, so the parking line I'm talking about is rated the top of their project on the left side there, that dark area. 578 00:57:55,420 --> 00:57:56,960 it's in yellow here. 579 00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:02,440 That parking lot is currently the town's parking lot and it's for people to park in. 580 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:09,140 So, the left side of the handout that gave you, they're looking for 111 parking spots, 581 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:16,800 plus six for the office and they claim they have 76 on the grounds, which means they need 41 on the street. 582 00:58:17,060 --> 00:58:20,920 And if you go further down, you'll see where they took the municipal parking lot. 583 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,980 Spot can actually, this is the different municipal parking lot, this is 584 00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:30,020 Cross from Corona is that they're counting as as parking, but the problem with that is 12 of the spots 585 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,520 Across from Corona is 586 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,180 Is already consumed by the six family at the end of Corona? 587 00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:39,740 It was given the town gave the the six family at the end of that parking lot 588 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,240 12 places for them the park so you have to subtract that out of their original number 589 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,780 That brings them down to 43 and they're only allowed half of that which brings it to 21. So now they're there's six parking 590 00:58:50,780 --> 00:58:58,400 spots short of what they had estimated they would have. The other thing is, let's see, the other 591 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:05,440 thing is, oh, the fact that they're taking these 23 spots from us means that we need 23 additional 592 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:09,840 spots on the street, or they need 23 more additional spots. So we'll give them credit for only 25 593 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:16,480 spots on the street divided by two means they are now only have 12. If you add 21 from coronavirus 594 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:22,860 parking lot and 12 on the street, they really only have 33 parking spots and they tell us 595 00:59:22,860 --> 00:59:28,500 they have 51. It doesn't, the math doesn't work. They need 41 parking spots for this 596 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:33,460 to qualify. I just don't get how the math is working here. We don't have the correct math. 597 00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:36,060 That's all I have to say. Thank you very much. Thank you. 598 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,320 Here's your little fuss. 599 00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:53,990 Angela Foss, 16 present beach drive. I want to thank you all for your hard work. 600 00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:59,970 I know it's not easy being you. I can't imagine what we're like being up there and being you guys and you're doing a great 601 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,460 Job. The decision tonight though is going to be something that's going to be the beginning decisions for everything that happens with this Thompson Bill project. I know we're looking forward to a train station. We all want a train station. I know we've been waiting for many, many years for a train station hasn't happened yet. So we're kind of putting the cart if we're a horse. We're planning on something that's going to be two years down the road. 602 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,360 Maybe more. And do we know the train station will 603 01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,600 be here for this. They're calling it. You're calling it a, calling it a transit transit station 604 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:43,980 or multi-purpose buildings and all of those things don't fit the rugs that I have 605 01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:45,780 read on multi-purpose. 606 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:48,500 I 607 01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:55,200 wanted to respond to the landing and zoning meeting last time 608 01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:02,040 where these people had spoken. Mr. Wood spoke about us on kindly. Mr. Mr. Wood. 609 01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:08,300 Mr. Wood, our genuine desire is to do what is best for our tenants and the residents of 610 01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:14,420 Thompsonville. As you know, we are not distance landlords, we live here in town. We have 611 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:18,760 never spoken to Mr. Wood, so we're quite surprised when he made false statements about 612 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:24,500 us. We actually spoke often with Jessica Mullins, and we have only kind words to say about 613 01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:31,180 Jessica Mullins. I will simply say that, in fact, residential did try to buy our buildings. 614 01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:37,920 They kept wanting to extend the due diligence period for the POS without putting down any 615 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,060 typical down payment. 616 01:01:39,860 --> 01:01:44,560 They instead put money into an escrow account that they can pull at any time. 617 01:01:45,140 --> 01:01:48,440 And if you who are realtors know that's not how business is done. 618 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,880 Our attorney insisted on an escalation clause for the price went up the longer it took 619 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,160 for them to close on our buildings. 620 01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:01,020 The town and the do sets, they don't have an escalation clause in their contracts. 621 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,440 So the price for the town land and the parking lot today remains the same in two years, 622 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,580 in three years, for however long it takes for them to purchase the building and they will 623 01:02:11,580 --> 01:02:15,200 continue to extend their contracts just so you know. 624 01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:20,460 When we learned that instead of fixing up our apartments as they claimed they were going 625 01:02:20,460 --> 01:02:25,780 to do. They were going to fix up our apartments, which would not impact our tenants. They 626 01:02:25,780 --> 01:02:31,400 instead, we saw them with the plans up here that they wanted to demolish our buildings and 627 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:38,720 add another building instead. We refused another extension and ended the deal with them. It's 628 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:43,720 that simple. They had to withdraw their contract or they would have to release money from the 629 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:48,260 escrow account to us and they claimed that they didn't have it, but we were very content. 630 01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:57,080 Because we were concerned for our tenants and they were concerned because they were facing housing difficulties or instability. 631 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:12,520 So I want to also say I know that there's something with the setbacks minimum rear yard on their paperwork says it's required 20 feet and they only have two on the front of their document. 632 01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:28,440 And I did ask about the step-backs last time, and I was told that the step-backs were met, and the other concern I have, and I'm thrilled with the pay that the town engineer worked this out for us, is that the snow is again being piled up against the buildings. 633 01:03:29,060 --> 01:03:38,320 It's pushed up against, in that parking lot, and it'll be piled up there if they want to have, you know, if they need to deal with snow, push it up against their buildings. 634 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,060 find another location if they if you're going to go with this that's no either has to be removed 635 01:03:43,060 --> 01:03:51,020 like it always doesn't any other municipality taken out where it needs to go or push it against 636 01:03:51,020 --> 01:03:57,620 their own buildings don't push it against ours that's a last no again I'm going to miss you I'm 637 01:03:57,620 --> 01:04:03,020 going to miss you a lot thank you for all that you have done for our town we appreciate you very 638 01:04:03,020 --> 01:04:04,020 Thank you. 639 01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:08,220 Chris, I think it's Christina Lang, 640 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,080 and you were here before, Christina, do you have something 641 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:22,880 new to offer? 642 01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:23,640 You were here? 643 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,020 Yes. 644 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:24,360 Okay. 645 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:25,380 Thank you. 646 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:26,040 Yes. 647 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,100 I heard you a couple of times. 648 01:04:28,100 --> 01:04:28,940 Thank you. 649 01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:31,900 I'm monitoring all of us about being original. 650 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:32,840 Thank you. 651 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:33,520 So yes. 652 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,420 I'm original. 653 01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:37,200 I'm Chris Lang, and I am at 90 South Road. 654 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:38,080 That's not original. 655 01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:39,620 Okay. 656 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:50,480 I'm here just to say that, like we all know, this is the last time you will all be meeting together in this particular commission. 657 01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:53,040 And I wish you all well. 658 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,960 This is a legacy moment is what I wanted to say. 659 01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:23,060 should you make and fill in the TOD and Thompsonville go without another investment for another few decades or should you have us go without the new housing until somebody comes up with a better bus system or until a parking garage miraculously appears or until the cows come home. 660 01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:29,200 That isn't a ton of constant of voice at all this on you, that's not your job. 661 01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,900 Finding parking for everything and fixing the other tenants' problems with parking and 662 01:05:35,900 --> 01:05:41,340 everything else is not tonight's job, it's not the job of this developer either. 663 01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:48,660 What we have here is a pretty golden opportunity for tons of people to start having a magnet that 664 01:05:48,660 --> 01:05:52,920 make when the train station comes something worth having. 665 01:05:54,260 --> 01:06:00,420 And finally, from the J.I. on Friday the 15th of December, my goodness, bringing us back 666 01:06:00,420 --> 01:06:07,240 the way it was, Windsor's Founders Square Housing Retail Project, and I advise you to 667 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:12,440 take a look, everything they're doing and getting is what we could have had. 668 01:06:13,380 --> 01:06:17,620 They got 3.2 million in community investment funding. 669 01:06:18,740 --> 01:06:21,160 No, T.C. did not let you have that. 670 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:26,520 But they're going to have a transit-oriented district that works and that's people-friendly 671 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:31,860 and gives housing to workforce housing of 20% of it is. 672 01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:33,900 And it's even energy-efficient. 673 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,260 It's energy-star certified. 674 01:06:35,780 --> 01:06:39,520 It's so much like what we could be having if we don't say no. 675 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:46,860 That's what I'm looking at now. Windsor is getting it and we're not. Don't let that be your legacy. Thanks. 676 01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:48,180 Thank you very much. 677 01:06:50,740 --> 01:06:51,180 Petibutu. 678 01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:05,560 Thank you. It's all in though. I just a couple. A couple of 679 01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:12,360 thenums, the what I said earlier. I mean Patrick's a bit of a 20-course street and field. 680 01:07:13,340 --> 01:07:18,220 In the discussion that you had, I sense attention on the issue of whether you go with commercial 681 01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:26,900 or housing first or a combination thereof and in the distant life I was a city hall reporter 682 01:07:26,900 --> 01:07:31,520 an economic development reporter in New Britain Connecticut. I saw a history book of the city 683 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,280 which was published and but they haven't experienced down there and they haven't added 684 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,700 to down there which might inform our thinking here. 685 01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:45,540 They lost everything when we were growing. 686 01:07:45,540 --> 01:07:53,200 They lost their downtown, they lost their industrial area, and when West Farm's mall was built in 74, 687 01:07:54,300 --> 01:08:00,020 so that vacuumed out whatever remaining retail they had. So they were pretty much destroyed and most 688 01:08:00,020 --> 01:08:04,880 of their downtown, a lot of that was just vacant. And so they went on basically a 50-year period 689 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,440 to try to rebuild it. And they were helped. And they threw everything they could on it. 690 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:15,800 new highways, new parking garages, they went in the public private partnerships like 691 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,820 least a third of the new office building but the school department in there. They did everything 692 01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:24,080 you can think of. They moved the police department downtown and put retail on the first floor. 693 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:30,060 None of these things had what I would consider a transformative effect on their downtown area. It was 694 01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:34,840 largely abandoned and some private investors who built restaurants and thought that they 695 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:40,140 have a go at it. They didn't get business. But what changed? What changed is there's been 696 01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,460 another thing. There's a big social change about an attitude about living in downtown areas. 697 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:51,120 People are trying to make better use of mass transit, doing more walking and things like that. 698 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:56,420 But the brain was also helped by fast track, the bus system. If you ever seen it, the platforms 699 01:08:56,420 --> 01:09:02,500 are pretty much like a train, you have a lot of reliability to them. And so there's a takeaway from that 700 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:09,140 us. But anyways, they elected a mayor. She was only in her 20s. Erwin Stewart, a Republican. 701 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,500 And her attitude was one of the kind of things she wanted to kind of build a city that 702 01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:18,380 young people wanted to live in, so that was her thinking. But she was able to also learn from 703 01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:24,180 the history of what went on in that city and what worked in what then. And the story began 704 01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:29,600 the story, I just want to read one quote from her, but the quote is introduced this way and 705 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:35,120 reporter writes, some argue a city should create retail opportunities that inspire people 706 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:41,940 to move to town. Others say starting with building housing will encourage retail. And this 707 01:09:41,940 --> 01:09:48,040 is how she answered that particular problem. She said, quote, we learn you build housing 708 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:54,920 first. It was a risk we took. It's a big risk because we were debating where do you put 709 01:09:54,920 --> 01:10:00,520 resources. Do you put your resources into retail or are we putting it into housing? 710 01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,300 I am so glad we put it into housing because feed on the street is going to drive the economy. 711 01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:08,760 Thank you very much. Thank you. 712 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:12,380 Nicky Price. 713 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,160 Good evening. Good evening, Nicky Price 1320. 714 01:10:28,500 --> 01:10:35,980 1320 for Imperial Street. I'm going to read something that I wrote to Dr. Poland back in 715 01:10:35,980 --> 01:10:41,700 August 21st, 2022, then is going to leave into my comments. 716 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:47,460 What I find disturbing in the 2021 Plan of Conservation and Development is a focus only 717 01:10:47,460 --> 01:10:49,480 on revising Thomsonville. 718 01:10:50,060 --> 01:10:56,360 High-rising buildings to accommodate more low income housing is not the answer when we, as 719 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:00,140 a town, are above the state of the pandemic goal of 10%. 720 01:11:00,140 --> 01:11:03,880 We are currently at 12.5, I think it's a little bit higher now. 721 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:15,700 Before a plan is approved, the fundamental problem of Thomsonville must be addressed and fixed before any plan is put in place if not then it will be a waste of money and time. 722 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,120 Now I want to fast forward to the Thomson meeting of this past Monday. 723 01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:28,100 President Jack Sharon and came up and reminded all of us that Shapiro was commissioned 724 01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:31,660 four or five decades ago, and it addressed parking. 725 01:11:32,180 --> 01:11:35,500 And since then we've had many more commission reports. 726 01:11:35,740 --> 01:11:39,580 And what's the bottom line to Thompsonville's fundamental problem? 727 01:11:39,580 --> 01:11:40,280 It's parking. 728 01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:48,900 How can a town do 40 to 50 years of commission reports and not fix the parking first before 729 01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:52,320 or any developer comes in and makes a proposal. 730 01:11:53,380 --> 01:11:54,180 That's my point. 731 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,600 Second, at the last PNZ meeting, 732 01:11:58,140 --> 01:11:59,840 our steam professionals said, 733 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,360 this project meets the town's PLCD goals. 734 01:12:03,940 --> 01:12:07,540 I would like to point out, the PLCD is a guideline 735 01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:09,280 as this commission stated, 736 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,880 at the time of adopting the PLCD. 737 01:12:13,740 --> 01:12:17,560 Lastly, how does this project move forward 738 01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:23,360 When the town council did not accept the grant funds, thank you, I appreciate your time. 739 01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:24,240 Thank you. 740 01:12:30,100 --> 01:12:31,600 I don't want to speak about this spoken. 741 01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,660 Is there anyone who hasn't didn't sign up that would like to speak about this issue? 742 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,100 Please come forward. 743 01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:47,850 Good evening, everyone. 744 01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:53,550 A little out of breath, I ran from the parking lot up on. 745 01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:55,210 I'm not getting any younger. 746 01:12:56,210 --> 01:12:57,630 My name is Patrick Tolerita. 747 01:12:57,790 --> 01:12:59,530 I live at 11 Pearl Street. 748 01:12:59,530 --> 01:13:08,610 I live in what used to be the old Thompsonville Firehouse, so I am directly in vicinity of this proposed development. 749 01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:18,760 I have certainly been around town long enough to have heard the tales of progress in Thompsonville, 750 01:13:19,650 --> 01:13:27,150 and the efforts that have been made each time they seem to be stymied, where the economy gets in the way, 751 01:13:27,150 --> 01:13:32,890 But something I always jeopardizes it and I see living in Thompsonville now that we're taking 752 01:13:32,890 --> 01:13:39,470 Small but steady progress, and I think that we need to continue to do that. I have paid attention 753 01:13:40,610 --> 01:13:49,190 Watching this on on video to this progress of of what you're deliberating here this evening and I understand 754 01:13:49,190 --> 01:13:56,430 It's not perfect. I understand that there are concerns within the community. I think some of them are legitimate 755 01:13:56,430 --> 01:14:00,470 I think some of them aren't legitimate, but there's concerns. 756 01:14:01,310 --> 01:14:04,550 And I think there's a couple of deficiencies that are here, 757 01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:06,030 specifically parking. 758 01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:10,770 But I think parking is always going to be a deficiency in Thompsonville, 759 01:14:11,050 --> 01:14:14,930 with every proposed development or any proposed improvement. 760 01:14:15,730 --> 01:14:18,650 And I think that's the case in many downtown locations. 761 01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:23,450 And sometimes the progress needs to come before the solutions do. 762 01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:31,670 And I think there's opportunity in Thompsonville to improve the parking, but we need development, I think, to spur that on. 763 01:14:32,710 --> 01:14:37,570 I think sometimes we sacrifice progress for perfection. 764 01:14:38,250 --> 01:14:43,290 And I don't think we're going to get perfection the first initial steps that we take in Thompsonville. 765 01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:51,270 I'm here to speak in favor of this and I know that this will have an effect on me personally because I live there. 766 01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:59,970 I've proposed before this committee and was accepted to do a business in Thompsonville and the parking that is there that I'm counting on 767 01:15:00,340 --> 01:15:17,560 May be jeopardized because of it. But I also am sick of seeing open lots in Thompsonville. I'm also sick of seeing things not progress. We need to take small steps in order to get where we want to be. I think this commission has an opportunity to night to do that. 768 01:15:18,300 --> 01:15:27,600 It's not everything that we'd want. I would have liked to see some retail involved. I certainly would have liked to see it as a pure market condition establishment. 769 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:33,640 But I don't think those are possible under the current economic situations in this community and in 770 01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:38,600 Thompsonville itself and my last comment is I'm not speaking in favor of this just for Thompsonville 771 01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:46,580 I'm a resident born and raised in Thompsonville I continue to support it and we'll fight very hard for it 772 01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:51,800 For a long time to come as long as I have breath even though I've lost some breaths running along 773 01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:59,680 But I think that this helps end field in general because if Thompsonville is lifted up, 774 01:15:59,900 --> 01:16:03,900 what all the things that are happening, the things that have been that are moving forward, 775 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:09,040 that this helps the rest of end field up, because the less attention Thompsonville takes 776 01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:14,260 from either social services, or from our emergency services, educational services, 777 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:20,580 the better it is for the community as a whole, that the resource is going to be pushed out 778 01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:26,260 throughout the community. So I'm hoping that you'll move this forward and accept this and move the 779 01:16:26,260 --> 01:16:31,380 ball forward for the the residents of Thompsonville and the residents of Enfield. Thank you very 780 01:16:31,380 --> 01:16:36,120 much and thank you all for your service here. I know you're all volunteers. I appreciate it. 781 01:16:36,140 --> 01:16:37,200 Thank you. 782 01:16:41,090 --> 01:16:44,830 So anyway, I'd like to speak for a second time. Oh, no, no, you haven't. Please. 783 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:03,100 Hi, Sheila Monroe, three Stacey Lee. This is a source object. Let's think back to her 784 01:17:03,100 --> 01:17:09,580 renewal. It wiped out Tomson though. Any plans of making it a little community village. 785 01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:19,160 Residents as well as businesses. The direction changed. And what do we have from it? Housing. 786 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:26,400 That's it. Now we're all backtracking trying to figure out how to revitalize Tom's 787 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:33,980 bill. It's a tough situation. You can't build something on something that hasn't has a 788 01:17:33,980 --> 01:17:41,440 foundation. Many foundations, the parking of course. And to get to the parking, you know 789 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:47,880 that a one bedroom is going to have two people in it. Today's day and age, they're going 790 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:55,200 to have two cars. So you have to just multiply two, four, six, whatever. There's single 791 01:17:55,200 --> 01:18:01,500 Family homes that have a whole family everybody move every day all move in there's four or five cars 792 01:18:02,220 --> 01:18:06,980 with that house so you can't you're it's under the parking is under 793 01:18:06,980 --> 01:18:09,060 Valuated for sure 794 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:13,020 So getting back to our renewal 795 01:18:13,780 --> 01:18:15,700 It wiped us out in times and they'll 796 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:24,820 Taking the bridge down over the self-field bridge that was that couldn't that see the thing is and the reason why I'm bringing this up is we need a plan 797 01:18:24,820 --> 01:18:31,240 We need a vision. We can't just do this and hope for that. We can't do this and hope for that. 798 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:35,600 Take away this and then expect it to be a beautiful place. 799 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:44,020 I think, honestly, that if this didn't get changed and it had residential as well as retail underneath, 800 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:50,040 like most of us all remember, Tom's of the was, I don't think there'd be an issue today. 801 01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:57,900 Because if you have the retail underneath, they're only open certain amount hours a day, so that parking situation is gone. 802 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:12,300 So I honestly don't support this at all, and I don't think it's worth taking the strand, it's worth doing, you know, taking down a lot of the things that we've got that we don't have anymore. 803 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,240 So this is just going to add more housing that's it and more problems for the people 804 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,300 already have housing there. 805 01:19:22,820 --> 01:19:24,120 That's all I have to say. 806 01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:25,460 Thank you. 807 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,600 So we're going to let you come up a second time. 808 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,800 Go ahead and this burns. 809 01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:46,050 Name an address again. 810 01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:50,070 The 16A Windsor Street in MPL in the time terminal section. 811 01:19:51,130 --> 01:19:53,670 I'm not going to repeat what I have said before. 812 01:19:53,670 --> 01:20:00,410 I'm going to say, I'm a single parent that has raised three now, young adults, in terms of real. 813 01:20:01,090 --> 01:20:09,750 And I would be willing to keep walking to have a place that I can call home for me and my children. 814 01:20:10,590 --> 01:20:12,550 And when I go, they have it. 815 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:18,850 Like the gentleman before said, we may never have a parking. 816 01:20:20,450 --> 01:20:28,050 Um, my son lives in Windsor-lox, there's a station, there isn't much parking there, but 817 01:20:28,050 --> 01:20:30,690 it's a beautiful place and people walk everywhere. 818 01:20:31,870 --> 01:20:33,250 My daughter lives in New Jersey. 819 01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:35,070 She's older-card. 820 01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:40,770 She works for a kind of come-on-all of the business and corporate-op, and they're watching 821 01:20:40,770 --> 01:20:41,450 in DC. 822 01:20:43,070 --> 01:20:48,430 She doesn't need a card, there's a lot of time she walks, she's only like three miles away 823 01:20:48,430 --> 01:20:49,450 from her job. 824 01:20:51,700 --> 01:21:00,320 I'd be willing to do that, and I'm sure a lot of people like Mr. Frost said a lot of these buildings are so old and they're falling apart. 825 01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:11,450 Building a living is over a hundred years old. How much longer are they going to stay? What happens when they're gone? 826 01:21:12,410 --> 01:21:14,450 I mean, they're burning down like there's no tomorrow. 827 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,440 How much longer are we going to wait? 828 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:21,400 To there's no buildings until 829 01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:25,820 we look at like the porous 830 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,520 country. We're not 831 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:37,840 You still have I I work in a day care and I won't tell you how many starting from the very little to elder 832 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:43,640 These people drop their children off and they have a future looking for and some of them live in Thompsonville 833 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:53,060 But they're afraid to step on toes. I'm not if it's good for me and my family and everybody else 834 01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:55,200 I'm not looking at just me. 835 01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:57,920 And that's why I said we need to all work together. 836 01:21:58,540 --> 01:22:01,600 Even us work with Mr. Frosting. 837 01:22:01,620 --> 01:22:02,380 Keep going. 838 01:22:03,940 --> 01:22:06,280 We need to be united front. 839 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:07,020 Thank you. 840 01:22:07,140 --> 01:22:08,180 For the sake of the future. 841 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,380 Thank you. 842 01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:11,620 Anyone else for a second time? 843 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:15,520 Seeing them and the applicant like to come forward, 844 01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:16,960 I think there's a couple of questions we have 845 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,300 probably for you at this point, based on public's comments. 846 01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:24,060 You know, my name is. 847 01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:30,480 I'll wait for everybody to sit down on Mr. Chairman, so it's not a distraction or I'm not a distraction to that, but 848 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:35,740 I just want to remind the Commission to this is probably the last time if you have questions for the applicant, okay? 849 01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:44,200 So if I guess I'll start first I guess Mr. Robertson mentioned and I know you guys already talked about before the right away 850 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:48,780 So if you could explain that again about that right away, please with the map Mr. Robertson can you see the map? 851 01:22:49,220 --> 01:22:50,380 Okay, go ahead. 852 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:51,480 Can you all hear me? 853 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:51,900 Yep. 854 01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:58,740 Again, for the record, Francis Vaca, professional engineer, Mr. Robertson, there is this 855 01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:05,420 orientation of the drive aisle right here, as I identify with my cursor, is the existing 856 01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:07,540 location of a right to access. 857 01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:13,520 So in other words, there will be the access to 14 pleasant street maintained throughout the 858 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:18,320 duration of the project, the proposed plans that were submitted to the Planning and Zoning Commission 859 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:25,380 show, in addition to what is shown here, all of the stages of the project will require 860 01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:31,600 that a portion of this maintain open for access throughout the duration of the project, 861 01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:37,000 and will, and once the project is completed, this again, because this is a right to access, 862 01:23:37,060 --> 01:23:41,440 this will be maintained throughout the duration of following the construction of the project. 863 01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:44,760 Okay, thank you. Thank you for the explanation. I know you went that, 864 01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,460 did I must before? I'm glad we got the honor record again. 865 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,920 Any other questions of the applicant? 866 01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:51,780 ComcentralIME. 867 01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:53,220 Thank you Mr. Chairman. 868 01:23:54,060 --> 01:24:01,560 Last meeting we had a discussion about the previous the original design relative to 869 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:01,980 retail. 870 01:24:03,620 --> 01:24:11,760 And I believe you sir, you said you did a study on the retail and that's what changed the 871 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:12,160 plan. 872 01:24:13,260 --> 01:24:15,760 I think it was you, sir, on the left there. 873 01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,320 On my left, you're right. 874 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,120 My name is Peter Wood. 875 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,280 I'm Peter Development Consultant to impact residential. 876 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:24,980 I did not cite a study. 877 01:24:25,220 --> 01:24:29,840 I said the developer upon selection looked much more carefully 878 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,680 at the neighborhood and the retail opportunities. 879 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:38,920 I believe it was in the first hearing 880 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:49,380 where Susan O'Dell, from Paul Bailey Associates, presented information and slides showing 881 01:24:49,380 --> 01:24:56,740 how much commercial vacancy there is within a couple of blocks of this development site. 882 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:06,820 It was learning of the extensive vacancy rates which exceed 50% within the immediate area, 883 01:25:06,820 --> 01:25:15,500 which discourage impact from proceeding with any kind of extensive ground floor retail. 884 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:29,300 There would be financial obligations to maintain that retail space and in this current climate it did not appear to be financially feasible to do. 885 01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:40,100 So just in the vicinity you said right the vicinity of that building in the immediate area surrounding this site within probably a two and a half to three block radius 886 01:25:40,100 --> 01:25:47,200 Okay, and when it did that what was the rate of vacant office space or what the available office space 887 01:25:47,740 --> 01:25:51,060 Frank you can you look at that slide so we can 888 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,520 Again cover this. 889 01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:10,120 Okay, so I can't see what you're seeing 890 01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,960 is an identification, 891 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:22,880 yeah, so the cursor that Mr. Vaka is moving and scrolling on the orange 892 01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:30,260 parcel is the development parcel that we're discussing for Union Square. So that would 893 01:26:30,260 --> 01:26:38,880 be the development site and what's cited is all of the commercial along, I believe that's 894 01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:45,540 street to the south, identifying where commercial properties are and all of the vacancies in 895 01:26:45,540 --> 01:26:52,420 that area. I don't believe that information actually even includes the shopping center behind 896 01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:59,900 Pearl Street, which is approximately 50% vacant as well. That was spoken to by the public in a 897 01:26:59,900 --> 01:27:06,720 prior, in a prior hearing as well. I think it was the second hearing. So yes, we did attempt to 898 01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:13,040 document for you here what it was that we discovered and our own research that 899 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:19,000 discouraged the developer from moving forward with an extensive mixed use 900 01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:25,020 development what we did instead was to provide office space that the 901 01:27:25,020 --> 01:27:30,260 developer themselves can maintain on the site on the ground floor facing 902 01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:41,000 North Main Street, as required by the regulations, beyond the commercial or, well, the commercial 903 01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:46,780 activity that the regulations require facing North Main Street on the ground floor, 904 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:56,660 the developer further offered to provide a community room and a fitness room in the second 905 01:27:56,660 --> 01:28:04,060 building what we described as building B that faces on to church 3. So those are additional 906 01:28:04,060 --> 01:28:09,600 uses that are not residential and character that we're bringing to the site. 907 01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:16,100 So there's no numbers or percentages of office space to that area that's where the 908 01:28:16,100 --> 01:28:22,820 way it's vacant or occupied relative to office space. You did it look at that. 909 01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:26,900 I don't think we actually did this for footage. 910 01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,500 I think there's a delay. 911 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:31,180 I'm sorry, Peter. 912 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:39,380 I don't think that the analysis included square footage analysis for each one of those buildings. 913 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:47,780 But as you can see from that depiction and this Ovelar architect walked through those various 914 01:28:47,780 --> 01:28:55,920 I mean, there was to there, but we did not provide a, I don't believe me now, this has included a square picture analysis. 915 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:56,620 I'm sorry. 916 01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:57,280 Right. 917 01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:03,900 So what I was, what I'm getting at was there is a look at vacant or need for office space. 918 01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:09,660 And specifically what we looked at was the available commercial space in the community. 919 01:29:09,820 --> 01:29:10,200 Okay. 920 01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:11,360 That's going unused. 921 01:29:12,220 --> 01:29:17,440 you think so you said that the owner can support the offices that means he'll they'll have 922 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:22,280 offices in it or when you say so these will be offices you look forward to the property 923 01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:28,060 manager for that's not to at least to somebody correct there's no 924 01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:32,880 okay so you're not so I see I'm glad we talked about this because I thought you were 925 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,580 going to be renting out office space to somebody who needed to rent an office so 926 01:29:36,580 --> 01:29:40,560 that's not the case will be provided to the onsite property manager 927 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,600 or leasing agent and supportive service providers. 928 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:45,960 These are third-party providers. 929 01:29:47,460 --> 01:29:49,980 This is not the developer themselves, 930 01:29:50,140 --> 01:29:52,600 but these are uses that will be required 931 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,780 by the existing development. 932 01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:59,960 And then you had said that it was financial, that it would be. 933 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,920 Financial impact or burdened to maintain a, would you say, would it begin to maintain a commercial? 934 01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:29,980 Yes. Again, I think this is in the record from prior hearings. I spoke previously about, in doing a mixed use development, you have to separate the commercial development from the residential development when you're using public subsidies that come from sources such as CHFA and the department. 935 01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:36,880 of housing. Those uses cannot be combined or used towards any commercial activity per se. 936 01:30:37,740 --> 01:30:45,780 So there would have to be a completely separate, condoized structure for any extensive 937 01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:57,120 retail use on the site. In this current market, there are a few opportunities to create new 938 01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:04,620 detail until there's a more robust demand that's created, which is the point of the town 939 01:31:04,620 --> 01:31:12,780 taking these steps to provide housing. This is what will generate, you know, feet on the street 940 01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:20,940 and foot traffic, which will support the existing retail that's in the community and help generate 941 01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:27,000 new retail. It's premature at this moment in time for the town to expect a lot of new retail 942 01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:33,800 in Thompsonville. So, just to be clear, the office space will be occupied for the facilitating 943 01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:39,760 of the building, the property, the manager, for use is related directly to property, correct? 944 01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:46,820 Okay. And the other retail would have been a financial burden to do. It would be a risk 945 01:31:46,820 --> 01:31:52,460 that the developer did not feel was a legitimate risk to take it this time. Correct. Thank 946 01:31:52,460 --> 01:31:56,320 you for clearing that up. One more thing, you and I talked about, I think, what do you 947 01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:02,380 that little strip of land that's now going to be paved. It's currently paved. 948 01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:06,320 It's currently paved. I talked about that and I think I asked you if you had 949 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:11,460 control that property and you said there is a purchase sale agreement. Correct. 950 01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:15,660 Okay. What about the other parcels? You have control of the other parcels? 951 01:32:16,420 --> 01:32:21,380 The other parcels are all town owned and they're under another as separate agreement 952 01:32:21,380 --> 01:32:25,780 agreement with the town correct so at this point either party couldn't walk away 953 01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:32,720 it would be a courting to the agreement itself there's certain you know protections 954 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,620 and requirements within that purchase and sale agreement that we're negotiated 955 01:32:36,620 --> 01:32:43,340 between the town and the developer okay my questions are answered thank you very good 956 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:47,740 thank 957 01:32:47,740 --> 01:32:57,000 was turned. I know this whole parking thing is been beat to death, but it is the concern 958 01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:06,420 and being relatively due to this. I took three trips in the area over the course of the last 959 01:33:06,420 --> 01:33:16,860 few weeks at night when people would be home and parked and my question is how did 960 01:33:16,860 --> 01:33:22,060 you come up with the number of available parking spaces on these streets that are 961 01:33:22,060 --> 01:33:28,100 involved? Because I gotta tell you, I've go down there at 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, and 10 o'clock. 962 01:33:29,060 --> 01:33:35,380 And I couldn't find a parking space to save my life. So I'm just curious how you come up with 963 01:33:35,380 --> 01:33:41,820 available parking when the streets are full at night, I'm going to refer that to our 964 01:33:41,820 --> 01:33:48,900 engine here again for the record, Francis Vaka, professional engineer, the way the regulations 965 01:33:48,900 --> 01:33:54,960 are stipulated it is available parking spaces as in spaces that are able to be utilized 966 01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:05,360 on the street not specifically ones that are full or not full, so it is basically in the 967 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,360 So if I may, if I may, it's not guaranteed parking, it's available parking. 968 01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:15,600 That is correct. Is not guaranteed parking? It is available spaces within 500 feet and to be 969 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:22,080 specifically clear with regard to the regulation. It is available 50% of the available spaces within 970 01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:33,440 500 feet. And that is the specific reason to point about the guaranteed, the specific 50% number 971 01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:36,680 is specified to ensure that we're not taking all of the spaces. 972 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:42,860 And if I can't, Joe, if I can't, if you don't mind me helping here, that also come pretty 973 01:34:42,860 --> 01:34:46,760 much comes back to our regulation, is the why it's a TOD district, am I not correct? 974 01:34:47,060 --> 01:34:52,560 Because it's a transit oriented district, whether we like it or not, whatever plan is only 975 01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:58,040 pushing created that zone, it was to deemphasize autos, that's what a TOD is all about, to deemphasize 976 01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:58,980 autos. 977 01:34:58,980 --> 01:35:03,740 You know, again, it's the chicken or the egg, but I just want to make that point so that you grasp. 978 01:35:04,300 --> 01:35:04,800 Oh, our dilemma. 979 01:35:04,940 --> 01:35:05,580 I appreciate it. 980 01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:06,260 Thank you. 981 01:35:06,620 --> 01:35:09,000 I mean, I understand it. 982 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,140 You're working on the regulations, stuff. 983 01:35:11,140 --> 01:35:13,120 But I just had to go and look for myself. 984 01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:18,360 I just find a hard to believe that there's going to be. 985 01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,960 Even if people have one car, I don't know. 986 01:35:23,140 --> 01:35:24,600 I'm just, you answered my question. 987 01:35:25,020 --> 01:35:28,880 And if I may Mr. Chairman, please, please, 988 01:35:29,500 --> 01:35:32,700 a Christmas for the record with the Commissioner 989 01:35:32,700 --> 01:35:34,300 Mioing, is that it? 990 01:35:34,420 --> 01:35:34,660 Thank you. 991 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:35,360 Hopefully. 992 01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:40,260 And in response to your question, and I know that the Chair 993 01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:41,180 made reference to it. 994 01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,040 I think it's important just to remind everybody to say, 995 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,740 I know this is the third night of public hearing, 996 01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:51,940 that not only does the proposal meet your, 997 01:35:51,940 --> 01:35:54,520 all your regulations for the T.D. 998 01:35:54,520 --> 01:36:00,700 for this particular development, but it also meets your parking regulations, which you recently adopted 999 01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:10,200 for at this type of development, a TOD development, in the TD5 zone district, which is where the property is located. 1000 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:17,560 In addition to utilizing your regulations and demonstrating compliance with it, and actually we're only utilizing 1001 01:36:17,560 --> 01:36:25,540 little over 35% of the parking for off-site, which you can use up to 50% of the total 1002 01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:33,140 necessary parking. But we actually went so far. The BSC group did a study, a parking study, 1003 01:36:33,780 --> 01:36:38,480 as we presented that at the last meeting, and that was prepared by a licensed professional 1004 01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:47,540 civil engineer expert in traffic. And the ITE is something that you do reference in 1005 01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:51,280 in your regulations to be utilized when evaluating parking issues. 1006 01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:59,140 So we did utilize that, which is standard in the industry, and also the various parking 1007 01:36:59,140 --> 01:37:04,120 that's available in the area was utilized in that neighborhood data, but more importantly, 1008 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:09,880 the ITE study, which is based on similar communities throughout the entire country, confirm 1009 01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:14,460 that your regulations complies with your regulations will work. 1010 01:37:14,460 --> 01:37:19,940 And I know that you're looking at on-street parking at this point in time and you see parking 1011 01:37:19,940 --> 01:37:28,220 spaces taken, but there is, and Mr. Baca did perform, B.S. Secret did perform a parking 1012 01:37:28,220 --> 01:37:32,600 analysis and had that breakdown as to where all the spaces were available. And most of those 1013 01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,900 spaces, I believe, were to the south of the property. And that was done deliberately, not taking 1014 01:37:37,900 --> 01:37:44,340 credit for spaces that were in the north of the property in the more residential area, 1015 01:37:44,340 --> 01:37:52,860 But I just wanted to point out that the plan as prepared is not only does comply with your 1016 01:37:52,860 --> 01:37:54,940 parking requirements and your zoning regulations. 1017 01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:58,300 And I think that that was reviewed by your staff. 1018 01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:03,820 And I believe that they agree that we have complied with it, contrary to what anybody may 1019 01:38:03,820 --> 01:38:05,920 be saying in opposition. 1020 01:38:07,660 --> 01:38:13,920 And in addition to that there was a neighborhood analysis done based on the ITE study 1021 01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:18,820 back up those numbers. So we do meet your parking requirements and your regulations relative to 1022 01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:24,880 this development that you just recently adopted to accommodate this type of development as the 1023 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:29,940 chair indicated at TOD development. I would like to also just comment just very briefly that 1024 01:38:30,860 --> 01:38:38,360 we've heard a number of comments both ways as far as do you do retail first and then have 1025 01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:43,760 people move in or is it the other way around and I think it's fairly accepted planning 1026 01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:48,480 practices throughout our country that you really need boots on the ground first. 1027 01:38:48,580 --> 01:38:53,960 You need residents there and the residents will bring in hopefully the businesses and 1028 01:38:53,960 --> 01:39:00,000 revive the businesses in those current locations where you have all those vacancies in 1029 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:00,840 the immediate neighborhood. 1030 01:39:01,740 --> 01:39:05,540 So again, in that Mr. Wood did address that a little more specifically but I was hoping 1031 01:39:05,540 --> 01:39:11,800 to touch upon those two items and relative to any parking that may that people in the neighborhood 1032 01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:17,120 maybe utilizing existing properties for parking, all of that again was taken into consideration 1033 01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:23,260 when the ITE study was done in this development does comply finding it with your regulations. 1034 01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:26,940 So thank you Mr. Chairman and members of the Commission for being able to comment on those items. 1035 01:39:27,480 --> 01:39:32,600 I do have some questions for Mr. Baca before we in our conclusion. I know Mr. Wood would like to address 1036 01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:36,860 the commission, but I understand at this point we're trying to address all of your questions 1037 01:39:36,860 --> 01:39:40,860 before we do that, but I just wanted to indicate that to the chair. 1038 01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:42,040 Thank you. 1039 01:39:42,980 --> 01:39:45,860 Can we finish up as to what the questions for someone to make sure the commissioners are 1040 01:39:45,860 --> 01:39:46,760 all set with the questions. 1041 01:39:47,060 --> 01:39:49,640 I know you guys have some closing comments you probably want to make. 1042 01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:51,480 I'm looking around as if any other questions. 1043 01:39:52,140 --> 01:39:55,860 I had a couple of questions for staff since again this kind of wraps that up too. 1044 01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,080 One of the residents did ask about adding for them. 1045 01:39:58,140 --> 01:39:58,660 I'm not mistaken. 1046 01:39:58,660 --> 01:40:03,720 They're at the max in our regulations with how many floors or could they go higher? 1047 01:40:09,470 --> 01:40:11,350 I think they are at the max plate. 1048 01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:11,990 I don't have the right. 1049 01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:12,890 I'm pretty sure it's a max. 1050 01:40:13,050 --> 01:40:15,890 I just wanted to get that for Rick's one of the residents that asked them. 1051 01:40:15,950 --> 01:40:18,350 They could go higher and create more parking space. 1052 01:40:18,510 --> 01:40:20,530 But I think you guys are already at the max from a four height. 1053 01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:21,210 Yeah. 1054 01:40:21,310 --> 01:40:22,110 That's five floors. 1055 01:40:22,230 --> 01:40:22,790 Is it five floors? 1056 01:40:22,950 --> 01:40:25,710 The vowel height is 55 feet. 1057 01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:27,170 Okay. 1058 01:40:27,810 --> 01:40:29,910 So it is five floors and you guys only went up how many? 1059 01:40:30,350 --> 01:40:30,690 Four. 1060 01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:33,010 So you can't go right about 44 feet. 1061 01:40:33,010 --> 01:40:35,050 So you couldn't want to have one more story on you 1062 01:40:35,050 --> 01:40:36,750 should condense the building which could have created 1063 01:40:36,750 --> 01:40:37,910 possibly some more parking. 1064 01:40:39,370 --> 01:40:39,890 Hypothetical. 1065 01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:44,650 Well, going up another story obviously adds additional cost. 1066 01:40:45,570 --> 01:40:46,170 Density in units. 1067 01:40:47,190 --> 01:40:48,390 Generates more parking. 1068 01:40:48,930 --> 01:40:49,490 That's not my thing. 1069 01:40:49,650 --> 01:40:50,090 It's the units. 1070 01:40:50,430 --> 01:40:51,710 I'm saying you could have went up. 1071 01:40:51,710 --> 01:40:53,230 Now we're building creating more parking. 1072 01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:53,670 I guess. 1073 01:40:54,110 --> 01:40:55,830 And that's the other concern, frankly, 1074 01:40:56,110 --> 01:40:57,910 with adding retail to the site. 1075 01:40:58,230 --> 01:41:00,970 Is you're adding a lot more parking when you add retail. 1076 01:41:00,970 --> 01:41:07,630 Well, I mean, for the 1500 or so square feet that we're providing in terms of commercial 1077 01:41:07,630 --> 01:41:11,750 space on the ground floor and building a six parking spaces, we're required. 1078 01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:17,430 And, you know, the more you add, the more parking is going to be generated, so at any 1079 01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:17,510 way. 1080 01:41:17,570 --> 01:41:19,070 I don't know the question for staff. 1081 01:41:20,010 --> 01:41:26,370 Well, another resident mentioned a public parking lot on Pleasant Street, as far as 1082 01:41:26,370 --> 01:41:28,630 I can sound, I'm going to look at Commissioner Alainmo, because tonight I know it's very 1083 01:41:28,630 --> 01:41:29,110 pretty well. 1084 01:41:29,110 --> 01:41:33,530 I don't know if the town ever officially adopted that as a town, parking a lot of 1085 01:41:33,530 --> 01:41:37,770 whether that's just the last that people have been using in right, you know, for years. 1086 01:41:38,130 --> 01:41:40,950 I don't know of that being an official parking lot. 1087 01:41:41,290 --> 01:41:47,050 To the best of my knowledge, I believe it was utilized for the strand and the Lamania 1088 01:41:47,050 --> 01:41:47,350 Center. 1089 01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:48,090 It was okay. 1090 01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:49,490 So the town did adopt that. 1091 01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:53,610 So I mean, it was public parking for those cases. 1092 01:41:54,810 --> 01:41:55,190 Mr. 1093 01:41:57,590 --> 01:42:01,470 Chair, I think I think they would have a, you would have at least our purchase agreement 1094 01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:05,810 on that piece parking lot, if it was controlled by the town. 1095 01:42:06,210 --> 01:42:09,370 That parking lot in question, who controls it? 1096 01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:14,730 It's part of the overall site that is owned by the town that was part of this RFP. 1097 01:42:14,910 --> 01:42:15,490 Yeah, yeah. 1098 01:42:15,650 --> 01:42:16,690 It's already included. 1099 01:42:17,010 --> 01:42:17,030 Yeah. 1100 01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:18,210 This will ensure for the parking lot. 1101 01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:20,010 There's something that was common to you. 1102 01:42:20,370 --> 01:42:21,590 I think it might have been, I forget. 1103 01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:22,970 I'm not going to tell you what it used to be, but. 1104 01:42:23,530 --> 01:42:23,670 All right. 1105 01:42:23,670 --> 01:42:23,970 Thank you. 1106 01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:25,110 Any other questions for the applicant? 1107 01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:27,170 Or do you want them to wrap up here? 1108 01:42:27,750 --> 01:42:28,210 Cursor Grill? 1109 01:42:28,930 --> 01:42:29,090 Please. 1110 01:42:30,510 --> 01:42:32,730 So I just had a quick question. 1111 01:42:34,090 --> 01:42:39,430 How many apartments, again, can you break it down for me on this building? 1112 01:42:40,150 --> 01:42:42,890 How, how you have it broken down into percentages? 1113 01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:48,670 I know I saw on the paperwork that you had it broken down into apartments where like 20% 1114 01:42:51,670 --> 01:42:55,350 and park or housing or whatever you had it broken down in percentages. 1115 01:42:55,350 --> 01:43:01,170 I can, I can cite that for you verbally. Do you want to pull up the slide that gives you the breakdown? 1116 01:43:01,930 --> 01:43:04,090 Yeah. There's two studios. 1117 01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:07,810 It's a total of 70 units. Two or studios. 1118 01:43:08,910 --> 01:43:10,110 27 or one bedrooms. 1119 01:43:11,210 --> 01:43:12,790 And 41 or two bedroom units. 1120 01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:17,590 Okay, so that's all apartments right there. This whole building is basically all apartments 1121 01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:23,110 and down at the bottom is for the people who take care of the apartments. 1122 01:43:24,210 --> 01:43:31,190 There are some apartments on the ground floor of both buildings, but both buildings also have, you know, 1123 01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:34,170 quote unquote commercial or community space on the ground floor. 1124 01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:35,790 Quick question, you're right. 1125 01:43:35,970 --> 01:43:40,510 We are, we are trying to build up down there. 1126 01:43:40,930 --> 01:43:41,030 Okay. 1127 01:43:41,630 --> 01:43:42,810 We are. 1128 01:43:43,390 --> 01:43:44,730 Here is my concern. 1129 01:43:48,290 --> 01:43:49,110 When the housing. 1130 01:43:50,330 --> 01:43:53,510 There's like we're proposing there's two types, okay. 1131 01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:56,290 I'm going to throw South Windsor out real quick. 1132 01:43:56,970 --> 01:44:00,130 They just did something very familiar to this building. 1133 01:44:01,470 --> 01:44:03,770 But what they did at the tapers, 1134 01:44:03,970 --> 01:44:07,670 they put luxury apartments, 1135 01:44:08,730 --> 01:44:11,550 and what luxury apartments does, 1136 01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:13,350 springs and money. 1137 01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:15,690 When you bring in money, 1138 01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:17,730 you help the town. 1139 01:44:18,830 --> 01:44:22,330 You supply the businesses that are already there, 1140 01:44:22,330 --> 01:44:28,430 the mom and pop and you bring in the business. If the money's not there to the spend, sir, 1141 01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:39,590 it's not going to grow. This is my issue. We have a lot of, we are over and, um, unhousing. 1142 01:44:40,890 --> 01:44:46,630 We need luxury housing now to bring in and feel, because infill is gorgeous. We have everything 1143 01:44:46,630 --> 01:44:57,480 here okay except all the money can bring in the money and everybody will be happy 1144 01:44:58,360 --> 01:44:59,980 that's that's where I'm going with this 1145 01:45:00,140 --> 01:45:27,960 I, I, I hear you, I, I appreciate your comments. And for me personally, you got a floor. You can go up. The people downstairs can rent. Put your parking if we configure this out. I don't know if this is allowed under the building. In the building, there's the rent is parking. But in the building, you walk out of your car. You hit in elevator. You go up to your houses to actually apartments. Thank you. Thank you. 1146 01:45:27,960 --> 01:45:29,040 So give me a second here. 1147 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:30,380 So seeing, I don't think there's any questions. 1148 01:45:30,540 --> 01:45:30,920 Why don't you? 1149 01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:32,720 I know you had something you wanted to finalize here. 1150 01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:34,060 So let's finalize it, please. 1151 01:45:35,020 --> 01:45:38,020 Yes, just in response, Mr. Carlos comments, 1152 01:45:40,540 --> 01:45:42,640 20% of these units are market rate. 1153 01:45:43,260 --> 01:45:47,160 So there is no cap on rents or rather incomes. 1154 01:45:47,380 --> 01:45:48,500 I should say on those buildings, 1155 01:45:50,810 --> 01:45:51,890 no, they are taxed. 1156 01:45:53,470 --> 01:45:58,130 So yeah, 20% of the units are at standard taxes. 1157 01:45:59,630 --> 01:46:03,110 And let me just say that 1158 01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:12,780 there are various arguments towards what housing does for downtown 1159 01:46:12,780 --> 01:46:14,120 and retail areas. 1160 01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:22,140 I worked in Stanford for 15 years back in the 90s and just before and after. 1161 01:46:23,060 --> 01:46:24,560 Stanford had a real problem. 1162 01:46:25,020 --> 01:46:31,340 It's, you know, retail was fleeing the downtown back in the, I think, 70s and 80s. 1163 01:46:31,340 --> 01:46:37,900 always damped, saw that problem was to generate housing in the downtown area and the commercial 1164 01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:41,540 and retail bloomed following that. 1165 01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:48,180 Once you bring the density of residents into a downtown area, you create demand that generate 1166 01:46:48,180 --> 01:46:48,580 sales. 1167 01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:56,620 And just one other note, the higher-income populations aren't necessarily those that spend the 1168 01:46:56,620 --> 01:47:02,960 in local retail areas. In fact, those people who have less resources tend to spend more 1169 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:11,760 of their money on local businesses for their needs than people who have plenty of money 1170 01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:16,680 and can go wherever. So I would just offer those two things up to the commission and considering 1171 01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,180 Cricut Stanford's Greenwich area. 1172 01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:23,340 That's Stanford's South downtown. 1173 01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,400 Right, but that's Stanford itself. 1174 01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:30,460 That's Greenwich area, right? 1175 01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:31,680 Well, Stanford is... 1176 01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:33,260 Greenwich and Daryan. 1177 01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:35,940 Lower Fairfax, John. 1178 01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:38,920 Yeah, do you sure I'm going with this serve? 1179 01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:39,820 I do, all right. 1180 01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:40,400 Okay, thank you. 1181 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:41,720 I appreciate that. 1182 01:47:42,500 --> 01:47:43,420 No seconds for rule? 1183 01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:44,060 Yes. 1184 01:47:44,900 --> 01:47:45,220 You're welcome. 1185 01:47:45,220 --> 01:47:46,200 No problem. 1186 01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:50,970 I'm going to refer this back to our council. 1187 01:47:51,730 --> 01:47:51,770 Sure. 1188 01:47:51,810 --> 01:47:53,470 However, you guys want to go ahead. 1189 01:47:54,050 --> 01:47:55,550 Just put the record again. 1190 01:47:55,810 --> 01:47:57,070 Chris Smith, the Vulture and Pearson. 1191 01:47:57,270 --> 01:48:00,390 I just had a couple of questions for Mr. Baca. 1192 01:48:01,730 --> 01:48:08,170 And then I'd like to turn the conclusion over to Mr. Wooddoge has some summary comments or 1193 01:48:08,170 --> 01:48:09,790 some closing comments for the commission. 1194 01:48:11,810 --> 01:48:17,090 And Mr. Baca, in your professional opinion, does the proposal comply with and meet the 1195 01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:25,110 requirements of the regulatory site-playing criteria provided in Section 9.10.4, the special 1196 01:48:25,110 --> 01:48:33,710 permit criteria provided in Section 9.20.2, in the provisions provided in the TD-5 zone 1197 01:48:33,710 --> 01:48:37,170 district in related provisions as is commissioned on regulations. 1198 01:48:38,850 --> 01:48:39,450 Yes, it does. 1199 01:48:41,110 --> 01:48:45,690 And final question in your professional opinion, Mr. Vaca, and this includes your firm's 1200 01:48:45,690 --> 01:48:54,310 traffic engineering traffic and parking study that was done. Will the proposal result in an adverse impact to the public health safety and welfare? 1201 01:48:55,190 --> 01:48:57,190 No, it will not. 1202 01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:58,610 Thank you very much. 1203 01:48:58,670 --> 01:49:00,490 Thank you Mr. Chairman for indulging me with that. 1204 01:49:01,090 --> 01:49:13,490 I would like to turn it over to Mr. Wood who does have some comments that he would like to provide to the commission and then I'll just wrap up with a very very very short conclusion. 1205 01:49:13,490 --> 01:49:15,530 Thank you very much, Mr. Jeremy. 1206 01:49:15,810 --> 01:49:16,490 Thank you. 1207 01:49:17,370 --> 01:49:19,530 Mr. Chairman, I'll provide this to the staff. 1208 01:49:19,850 --> 01:49:20,010 Please, sir. 1209 01:49:34,970 --> 01:49:35,550 She's doing that. 1210 01:49:35,550 --> 01:49:36,850 I have to get up and stretch. 1211 01:49:38,350 --> 01:49:38,870 My knee. 1212 01:49:41,570 --> 01:49:41,990 Thank you. 1213 01:50:03,130 --> 01:50:04,010 Most of them will go ahead. 1214 01:50:04,430 --> 01:50:06,970 For the record, my name is Peter Wood Development consultant 1215 01:50:06,970 --> 01:50:08,990 to impact residential development. 1216 01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:12,060 The acronym is IRD. 1217 01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,060 I'd like to take a few moments to summarize the measures. 1218 01:50:15,260 --> 01:50:18,400 My client is taken to respond to various concerns and comments. 1219 01:50:18,980 --> 01:50:21,380 Express in regards to the Union Square Development 1220 01:50:21,380 --> 01:50:27,100 over the past 18 months. In our effort to be a responsible developer and partner with the 1221 01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:32,540 town, we've revised our development plans numerous times in various ways based on comments 1222 01:50:32,540 --> 01:50:37,660 received in meetings with members of the Connecticut State Historic Preservation Office, 1223 01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:44,240 the Enfield Town Council, the Town Administrative Review Team, the ART, and the Planning 1224 01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:50,780 and Zoning Commission members, and the public. The developer negotiated purchase and sale 1225 01:50:50,780 --> 01:50:55,620 agreements to acquire three adjacent private properties to expand the development footprint, 1226 01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,520 providing for the addition of a third building facing Pleasant Street. 1227 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:05,780 This allowed for an increase in density to 123 units, while also triggering a review 1228 01:51:05,780 --> 01:51:11,080 by the Connecticut State Historic Preservation Office as two of the private buildings to be acquired 1229 01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:15,680 and subsequently demolished were within the Bigelow Hartford Mills Historic District. 1230 01:51:15,680 --> 01:51:21,000 The design team researched the historic district and incorporated some of the housing 1231 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:26,780 typologies near the site into the new building facades is requested by Shippo, leading 1232 01:51:26,780 --> 01:51:31,520 this state agency to approve the plans and conclude that this was one of the most responsive 1233 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:35,520 design collaborations with a private developer in their experience. 1234 01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:42,080 In subsequent town council meetings this past year during which the council approved resolutions 1235 01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:47,780 two separate times, allowing for the submission of funding requests on behalf of the town 1236 01:51:47,780 --> 01:51:53,480 and the project to the Connecticut Department of Economic and Community Development. Certain 1237 01:51:53,480 --> 01:51:58,620 town council members in those meetings expressed concerns about the amount of off-site parking 1238 01:51:58,620 --> 01:52:05,840 required. The developer subsequently voluntarily reduced the scale of the development by 43 percent, 1239 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:13,660 reducing the unit count from 123 studios, one in two bedroom units to a total of 70 units 1240 01:52:13,660 --> 01:52:19,500 in two buildings, removing the proposed third and largest building which would have faced 1241 01:52:19,500 --> 01:52:27,400 pleasant street. This reduced the overall parking requirement by 105 spaces and reduce the off-site 1242 01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:34,040 parking demand by 62 spaces. It's important to recognize that the parking associated with the current 1243 01:52:34,040 --> 01:52:40,080 site plan meets and actually exceeds the zone districts parking requirements that were recently 1244 01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:44,340 adopted by the PZC for this transit-oriented district area. 1245 01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:51,300 During the first PZC hearing on November 16, one of the public members referenced the 1246 01:52:51,300 --> 01:52:57,380 Enfield River Gateway study and encouraged the commission to take these guidelines into account 1247 01:52:57,380 --> 01:53:01,540 and encourage the best pops possible design solutions for Thompsonville. 1248 01:53:01,540 --> 01:53:07,980 Having already met or exceeded the recommendations contained in the infield plan of conservation and development, 1249 01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:11,160 and the infield housing and housing needs assessment, 1250 01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:15,040 our team reviewed the findings of the River Gateway study, 1251 01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:19,820 and found that our development meets and is consistent with those recommendations as well. 1252 01:53:20,580 --> 01:53:28,960 Moreover, IRD, the developer, directed our design team to create a new building designed for the exterior facades, 1253 01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:36,320 creating more curb appeal with additional dormers in our ticklish and articulation of the street facing facades. 1254 01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:44,440 While adding costs to the project, the developer agreed to offer this alternative design for the commission's consideration. 1255 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:49,800 As further evidence of the strength of the Union Square Development Plan, 1256 01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:55,580 on December 8, the Federal Home Loan Bank of Boston approved impact residential developments, 1257 01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:59,020 proposal and conjunction with citizen's bank, 1258 01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,620 awarding $1.2 million in grants and interest rate subsidies to the development. 1259 01:54:05,260 --> 01:54:10,840 Impact residential development has made a substantial commitment and investment over the past 18 months, 1260 01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:19,860 and reliance on the town's decision to work with IRD and develop this property as a transit-oriented district for the benefit of the town's citizens. 1261 01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:25,520 impact residential development will be a long-term owner and partner with the 1262 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:30,360 town of Enfield and its efforts to revitalize the Thompsonville community. 1263 01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:33,040 We look forward to that partnership. 1264 01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:35,260 Thank you very much. 1265 01:54:35,460 --> 01:54:38,080 Final time any questions of the applicant or staff? 1266 01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:41,380 Staff any comments, Lori? 1267 01:54:42,460 --> 01:54:50,360 We did receive an email from Ronnie Salas this evening and he owns the corner lot over at 1268 01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:51,820 in North Main Street? 1269 01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:53,340 You'll call Teeville Pharmacy. 1270 01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:54,000 Yeah. 1271 01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:57,980 So that's the little corner that's been redeveloped 1272 01:54:57,980 --> 01:54:59,640 and renovated, it's beautiful. 1273 01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:02,100 He's had some drainage issues. 1274 01:55:02,660 --> 01:55:05,860 He just wants to just make sure that during construction 1275 01:55:05,860 --> 01:55:09,660 that there will be a consistency of having a soil 1276 01:55:09,660 --> 01:55:11,400 there's no sheet flow. 1277 01:55:12,820 --> 01:55:14,040 So I just want to put that on the record. 1278 01:55:14,220 --> 01:55:17,120 He had a couple comments about some people walking over, 1279 01:55:17,420 --> 01:55:20,340 but that's, you know, we do work on that. 1280 01:55:20,340 --> 01:55:26,240 Okay, thank you. Thank you for getting that in the record. Any other questions for staff? 1281 01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:27,100 Ready applicant? 1282 01:55:29,060 --> 01:55:32,200 And now we close public care is just discussion among ourselves and we understand. 1283 01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:33,720 So I'll entertain a motion to close. 1284 01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:38,740 And again, I'll be half of the entire team Mr. Chairman and we thank you. 1285 01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:41,980 The commission and your professional staff. 1286 01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:47,120 And we look forward to working with the commission in partnership with the town. 1287 01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:52,600 I bring this TOD to end field and again, on behalf of our entire team, we wish you everyone 1288 01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:56,400 in the commission, your families, a happy and healthy holiday and new year. 1289 01:55:56,620 --> 01:55:59,900 And thank you again for your time and process in this application. 1290 01:56:00,700 --> 01:56:01,280 Thank you very much. 1291 01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:02,700 Thank you all for your professionalism. 1292 01:56:02,860 --> 01:56:04,240 Thank you very much. 1293 01:56:04,340 --> 01:56:06,280 I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing. 1294 01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:10,840 Motion made by Commissioner Hullinski, second of Vice Chairman to grade a close public 1295 01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:11,480 hearing. 1296 01:56:11,580 --> 01:56:16,540 All those in favor signify by saying aye, but the record shows unanimous to close the public 1297 01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:19,560 now entertain a motion to approve. 1298 01:56:23,190 --> 01:56:24,810 Take your time, Secretary of State, whenever you're ready. 1299 01:56:27,290 --> 01:56:27,770 Yeah. 1300 01:56:28,690 --> 01:56:41,110 Mr. Chair, first of all, there is conditions 27 conditions and I understand that there's a new condition to be added. I can read that in right now. 1301 01:56:41,410 --> 01:56:44,530 If you don't, if it's okay with you, if you're comfortable with that, please. 1302 01:56:44,890 --> 01:56:49,030 There's an added condition which would make it 28 conditions total. 1303 01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:59,830 And the 28th condition would be actually, it's added to the site specific conditions, 1304 01:57:01,850 --> 01:57:16,430 which would read as follows when the WPC, WPC permit approval is sought additional research may be required to analyze capacity during weather events. 1305 01:57:17,350 --> 01:57:21,290 And with that, I'd like to make a motion. 1306 01:57:21,670 --> 01:57:26,490 If I can, I would be conditioned 28-foot at the National Out of the other day, 1307 01:57:26,610 --> 01:57:28,410 it'd be conditioned 11 of the site-specific. 1308 01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:29,130 That's correct. 1309 01:57:29,210 --> 01:57:30,010 Thank you very much. 1310 01:57:31,310 --> 01:57:34,390 And with that, I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing 1311 01:57:34,390 --> 01:57:38,370 number 3078 application for a mixed use 1312 01:57:38,370 --> 01:57:41,370 development at 20 and a half pleasant, 1313 01:57:41,370 --> 01:57:49,910 Street, 16 Pleasant Street, 2 Chapel Street, 1 in 5 and 19 and 21 Church Street, 17 North 1314 01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:57,730 Main Street, inclusive of the front parcel with 0.1 acres, impact residential development 1315 01:57:57,730 --> 01:58:08,770 applicant, town event field owner, map 24 with lots, 51, 60, 60, 62 and 85, map 27 with 1316 01:58:08,770 --> 01:58:20,610 That's 135 162 165 35 and field owner or T5 zone. 1317 01:58:21,170 --> 01:58:21,290 Thank you. 1318 01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:22,350 There is second. 1319 01:58:22,890 --> 01:58:24,690 Seconded by Commissioner Holinski. 1320 01:58:25,650 --> 01:58:26,570 discussion on emotion. 1321 01:58:27,730 --> 01:58:31,010 Please, even the office, everyone's opinions and comments count. 1322 01:58:31,530 --> 01:58:33,150 Commissioner de Grey started first. 1323 01:58:33,910 --> 01:58:37,750 Well, it's been a long time with us. 1324 01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:41,750 And I've written down everybody's comments, 1325 01:58:42,250 --> 01:58:44,310 gone through them, reviewed the meetings. 1326 01:58:45,470 --> 01:58:48,990 And I realized I had to put my emotions aside. 1327 01:58:49,910 --> 01:58:51,350 I lived in this town. 1328 01:58:51,690 --> 01:58:54,090 I have lived in Thompsonville. 1329 01:58:55,710 --> 01:58:59,270 Some of the places I lived down town were not great. 1330 01:58:59,710 --> 01:59:04,490 And if I had a helping hand when I first got married, 1331 01:59:04,770 --> 01:59:07,190 we probably wouldn't have had to live in some of the places 1332 01:59:07,190 --> 01:59:11,550 that we did. But this is a way to give a hand up. 1333 01:59:13,810 --> 01:59:17,830 I have to think about the future and I appreciate 1334 01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:26,990 Christian because Commissioner D. Antonio first some of his insight because this is going to be 1335 01:59:26,990 --> 01:59:33,710 your town and your children's town and their children's town. And so that's what I have to think 1336 01:59:33,710 --> 01:59:46,050 And then I thought about, well, the train stations coming and it should be coming online about the same time as this housing comes to fruition. 1337 01:59:47,550 --> 01:59:51,550 So there will be more parking spaces when the train station gets developed. 1338 01:59:52,690 --> 01:59:56,690 So a lot of these parking issues will actually go away. 1339 01:59:56,690 --> 01:59:58,650 and also 1340 02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,660 I've had to park on the street and I've gotten tickets when I've lived down in town, downtown. So, yeah, I understand 1341 02:00:07,660 --> 02:00:15,120 the parking issues, but I also understand we have to move forward. We have to look to the future and 1342 02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:22,080 not everybody's going to have cars and there's a lot of people I know that don't have cars anymore. They do 1343 02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:52,000 They do busses and they do different types of transportation, they have the e-bikes, they do scooters, so I think this is really a fit for the future, and I think we have to consider that, and I think they've addressed all of my concerns, and I think they've addressed all of the towns concerns, so this isn't going to happen tomorrow, it's going to happen two, three years. 1344 02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:54,300 So I am in favor of it. 1345 02:00:54,500 --> 02:00:56,020 Thank you. Thank you for your comments. 1346 02:00:56,680 --> 02:01:01,080 Commissioner, you know, Christian Dintoni was first no offense. He was he is up. 1347 02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:04,240 I appreciate the sentiment. I can assure the degree. 1348 02:01:05,020 --> 02:01:12,020 I will just carry on that sentiment and say those are all great points. 1349 02:01:13,340 --> 02:01:16,420 And Thompsonville is, you know, the center of town. 1350 02:01:16,760 --> 02:01:19,360 It is our transit oriented district. 1351 02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:27,880 And we should continue to enhance it as that, and you're absolutely right, is that the past 1352 02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:34,500 has not always been transit oriented, unfortunately, you know, sad, you know, there is a 1353 02:01:34,500 --> 02:01:39,640 lot of car dependency, which is why we have all these parking concerns, because there's 1354 02:01:39,640 --> 02:01:47,200 the assumption everybody is going to have their own car, every person, every resident, which 1355 02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:50,740 is not, it's not the case, it's not a definitive, 1356 02:01:53,560 --> 02:01:55,500 and it's not necessarily the future we 1357 02:01:55,500 --> 02:02:01,780 want to build for Enfield. We don't want, we don't actually want in abundance of parking, 1358 02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:09,020 that's just going to sit foul. We want the right amount of parking. This developer is building 1359 02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:14,840 what they've proven to be the right amount of parking for their development. And then I think we've 1360 02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:19,780 a lot of information here to go forward into the future as a town, as a planning and zoning 1361 02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:26,440 commission, and then working with our staff and town council, of course, to develop 1362 02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:36,100 the appropriate parking regulations for Tomsonville for the rest of the town to address 1363 02:02:36,100 --> 02:02:43,080 these in the future. We're all used to free parking. That is certainly something we've 1364 02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:50,320 used to for a while. It's not a God-given right. We have a limited amount of space, especially 1365 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:57,860 in Thompsonville. And I mentioned this before. There's other strategies we can take to 1366 02:02:57,860 --> 02:03:07,980 parking besides just building excess parking just in case. So going forward, we have a lot 1367 02:03:07,980 --> 02:03:15,640 things at our disposal. We have a great staff, well trained, and they've proven themselves 1368 02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:25,680 well. They will work with us in improving the way we handle parking. We're not unique 1369 02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:31,740 across the country. There's lots of lots of places, much, much bigger cities and ours that 1370 02:03:31,740 --> 02:03:37,880 have no parking minimums. It's not even radical anymore. 1371 02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:42,780 So, but anyway, I digress. 1372 02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:51,900 I do think this project is good. They see the requirements. I just want to add one thing 1373 02:03:51,900 --> 02:03:59,380 regarding the motion, which is the architectural style. We don't have that as a condition, 1374 02:03:59,380 --> 02:04:05,920 But I know we kind of have the option between the two so I don't know how we're going to address that 1375 02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:12,930 We may want to put that as a deployment. Thank you for reminding us of that. Yes, so 1376 02:04:15,460 --> 02:04:16,380 thank you, Christopher 1377 02:04:19,530 --> 02:04:26,210 So I guess as we go. I know everyone is probably going to have a comment. So I guess I'll go around and pull Christopher to do have a preference to the architectural design 1378 02:04:27,010 --> 02:04:34,390 I had no issue with the first one, but then they did present the second one and I have to say the second one is a nicer fit 1379 02:04:34,970 --> 02:04:38,430 Okay, so I'll ask that question of each person who comments, so we'll take a poll. 1380 02:04:38,650 --> 02:04:40,310 We can always go back and make that a condition. 1381 02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:44,030 Actually, Jimmy was before you can. 1382 02:04:44,030 --> 02:04:44,190 Okay. 1383 02:04:45,010 --> 02:04:45,190 Are 1384 02:04:47,620 --> 02:04:48,880 you doing the survey? 1385 02:04:49,460 --> 02:04:49,580 Or the? 1386 02:04:49,580 --> 02:04:51,860 No, give me a comment, or you can do whatever you want to give me. 1387 02:04:52,260 --> 02:04:53,100 Yeah, whatever you want. 1388 02:04:53,860 --> 02:04:54,280 Reflexible. 1389 02:04:54,380 --> 02:04:55,820 We've heard a lot about parking. 1390 02:04:56,420 --> 02:05:00,000 And I understand that on paper it meets the criteria. 1391 02:05:00,940 --> 02:05:03,220 I still have a problem with it. 1392 02:05:03,220 --> 02:05:05,240 I've lived in town my entire life. 1393 02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:07,800 And every time you get on a Thompsonville, 1394 02:05:07,820 --> 02:05:10,400 I'm sorry, but you can't find a place to park. 1395 02:05:11,060 --> 02:05:14,840 The other thing I had a problem with was when this was first presented, 1396 02:05:15,600 --> 02:05:17,520 it had mixed use. 1397 02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:20,840 And we've been pushing Thompsonville for mixed use. 1398 02:05:21,300 --> 02:05:25,720 And I understand that there's the empty retail 1399 02:05:25,720 --> 02:05:28,500 in the vicinity, but they're old. 1400 02:05:28,820 --> 02:05:30,720 They haven't been kept up. 1401 02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:34,900 the owners are not putting back into the building. 1402 02:05:35,380 --> 02:05:38,640 This would all be new, clean, safe, retail. 1403 02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:40,740 And that's what I would like to see. 1404 02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:41,980 Also, too. 1405 02:05:43,540 --> 02:05:44,320 Thank you. 1406 02:05:45,640 --> 02:05:46,640 Commissioner Hoonsky. 1407 02:05:48,420 --> 02:05:52,700 Yeah, I'm very familiar with the top civil area. 1408 02:05:52,900 --> 02:05:54,960 When we were first married, we lived on Wallnut Street, 1409 02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:58,660 which is right near a lot of the vacant areas 1410 02:05:58,660 --> 02:06:04,960 vacant commercial areas that as of today. But back then it was kind of teaming place. 1411 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:17,220 I was very impressed by the presentations and the professionalism of IRD. 1412 02:06:18,740 --> 02:06:23,100 I have to give you my highest compliment. It's one of the best presentations I've heard 1413 02:06:24,140 --> 02:06:32,420 in this type of line of work, so I have confidence in you as a developer and I think 1414 02:06:32,420 --> 02:06:36,480 you're, you've already proven you would do the right thing and you made the changes 1415 02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:42,520 requested and went above and beyond I think so I'd just like to say that I think that's 1416 02:06:42,520 --> 02:06:49,620 a real strong reason to be in favor of this and I am in favor of this development I think 1417 02:06:49,620 --> 02:06:57,100 it's going to really help the Thompsonville area and I agree with the promise that you need 1418 02:06:57,100 --> 02:07:02,620 boots on the ground before you're going to start developing commercial type businesses. 1419 02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:10,780 So I'd just like to make that comment and I am in favor of the newer facade. 1420 02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:12,400 Thank you, Kim. 1421 02:07:15,460 --> 02:07:16,420 Anybody else have any comments? 1422 02:07:17,960 --> 02:07:29,220 Christian one. Thank you guys for coming to Thomsavill and give it a good look. So the first 1423 02:07:29,220 --> 02:07:38,200 plan that was presented with the mixed use and retail on a lower levels really really got 1424 02:07:38,860 --> 02:07:45,680 the community excited and especially the people like some of us up here that were born and brought up in Thomsavill. 1425 02:07:48,060 --> 02:07:52,860 And, you know, we call it the gateway and you mentioned one of the studies, but there's other 1426 02:07:52,860 --> 02:07:54,040 studies that were done. 1427 02:07:54,480 --> 02:07:58,060 I think Russell Gibson, Van Dolan, was the name of one of the studies. 1428 02:07:58,820 --> 02:08:04,000 One of the companies that did a study 20 years ago or 25 years ago. 1429 02:08:04,620 --> 02:08:15,660 And again, they referred that maybe didn't call it the gateway, but that's going to be the 1430 02:08:16,280 --> 02:08:24,740 like it was. So I think that that first presentation gave a lot of people a lot of hope 1431 02:08:24,740 --> 02:08:27,660 and to see it come back. 1432 02:08:29,700 --> 02:08:32,800 I have very mixed feelings because I want to see times of the 1433 02:08:32,800 --> 02:08:35,700 guilt. They'll get redeveloped. We'll talk about our emotions. 1434 02:08:39,940 --> 02:08:42,240 But you know tonight when I asked 1435 02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:48,800 question I wanted to make sure I had a straight about office versus retail. 1436 02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:51,600 You said the 1437 02:08:51,600 --> 02:09:01,600 office, I imagine you were renting the offices out to whatever small company, small little 1438 02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:07,580 startup company or a printer or whatever, a cigar shop or whatever, not a cigar shop, 1439 02:09:10,920 --> 02:09:12,820 sorry, 1440 02:09:12,820 --> 02:09:20,560 a small startup. That's what I envisioned. To me, that still makes use. But now tonight, 1441 02:09:21,580 --> 02:09:29,100 it told me the offices are for the company itself for the facilitate the daily operations. 1442 02:09:30,160 --> 02:09:30,920 That's not an excuse, 1443 02:09:33,330 --> 02:09:44,330 so I kind of changed my mind tonight. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to 1444 02:09:44,330 --> 02:09:48,630 want to say it was misleading or bait and switch or I don't want to use those kind of words, 1445 02:09:50,690 --> 02:09:59,090 but it changed. And now for me tonight, and then you mentioned finances, monetary 1446 02:09:59,090 --> 02:10:06,550 reasons, monetary reasons aren't acceptable. I mean, that's not our problem. 1447 02:10:11,550 --> 02:10:12,150 That's 1448 02:10:12,150 --> 02:10:17,470 monitorial support, monitorial resources to support retail. 1449 02:10:18,190 --> 02:10:22,890 I mean, that's to me, that blows it out the window for me, too. 1450 02:10:24,070 --> 02:10:27,890 So again, I appreciate you wanting to do this. 1451 02:10:28,010 --> 02:10:31,070 And I think if it's stuck to the same initial proposal, 1452 02:10:32,690 --> 02:10:35,290 now you don't have any mixed use, none. 1453 02:10:38,460 --> 02:10:40,600 So I'm not going to support this tonight. 1454 02:10:40,600 --> 02:10:42,760 maybe you can come back. 1455 02:10:44,900 --> 02:10:49,900 I wish you do and come back with something else, but it got 1456 02:10:49,900 --> 02:10:56,220 to have the component of the mixed use in there and I think people will come. You know, 1457 02:10:56,260 --> 02:11:03,120 the mixed use, the people that live upstairs support the downstairs. I mean, that's kind 1458 02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:06,040 how it always worked, and then other people would come to the stores. 1459 02:11:08,500 --> 02:11:15,400 So I think the mixed use piece for me, now that it's not mixed to me, it's not mixed 1460 02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:17,140 to me, it's not mixed to me, it's not mixed to all. 1461 02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:26,500 Whereas parking too is somewhat of an issue for me, but I'm looking at more what you're 1462 02:11:26,500 --> 02:11:31,920 presenting and to what it used to be to the many studies that have been done over the 1463 02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:42,840 30 years that targeted that entrance, that main entrance to be a mixed use area where people 1464 02:11:42,840 --> 02:11:49,820 could come in, shop, live, and then the outer areas would be the residential areas. 1465 02:11:51,100 --> 02:11:55,780 So you mentioned before Pearl Street, North Main Street, that's how both of those streets 1466 02:11:55,780 --> 02:12:03,260 were. They were mixed use, and then the residential were kind of spider-web-dough. There was 1467 02:12:03,260 --> 02:12:10,980 some mixed use scattered within as well. But, um, so again, I really appreciate you looking 1468 02:12:10,980 --> 02:12:16,360 at Enfield coming to Thompsonville. We've been waiting a long time, but I'm not going 1469 02:12:16,360 --> 02:12:22,280 to support this and its current situation for the reasons I've given. Thank you. 1470 02:12:27,180 --> 02:12:31,560 If it does get approved, that's sort of still want to have your opinion on what architectural design you might have liked. 1471 02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:32,240 Number two. 1472 02:12:32,500 --> 02:12:33,500 Okay. Thank you. 1473 02:12:38,460 --> 02:12:39,180 Anything else? 1474 02:12:39,480 --> 02:12:39,740 John. 1475 02:12:42,170 --> 02:12:43,130 Number two. 1476 02:12:45,620 --> 02:12:48,340 John, do you have a second off? 1477 02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:50,540 No comments. 1478 02:12:51,320 --> 02:12:52,940 If you have no comments, I guess I have. 1479 02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:55,040 Of course everybody knows I always have comments, right? 1480 02:12:57,700 --> 02:13:02,260 So, first thing I want to add is, to me, you know, 1481 02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:09,500 Why did we create a TOD district at all if we're going to be going this far with this project and why did the past planning is only 1482 02:13:09,500 --> 02:13:17,680 Commissioned create the TOD TOD zone at all we were going to consider in a positive manner of development such as this 1483 02:13:18,060 --> 02:13:21,220 That's the question I have so my personal opinion is if this goes down tonight 1484 02:13:21,220 --> 02:13:26,180 I think you guys in a future route go look back go back and get rid of the TOD what you have it for it's meaningless 1485 02:13:26,180 --> 02:13:30,540 Why have it but even though you might be not quite happy with this particular project 1486 02:13:30,540 --> 02:13:33,500 That wasn't my concern at the top of my head. 1487 02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:34,880 And I like what was brought up tonight. 1488 02:13:36,080 --> 02:13:38,160 Parking will always be a problem in time. 1489 02:13:38,360 --> 02:13:41,840 So Parking will always be a problem in a quasi-urban development. 1490 02:13:41,980 --> 02:13:43,680 And regardless of what the town is, 1491 02:13:43,900 --> 02:13:45,500 you could talk about a parking garage all you want. 1492 02:13:45,600 --> 02:13:47,940 And maybe we do need another empty lot, 1493 02:13:47,980 --> 02:13:50,640 found somewhere where the town could create another little municipal park 1494 02:13:50,640 --> 02:13:52,880 and I certainly would be an advocate of that. 1495 02:13:52,900 --> 02:13:54,280 But Parking will always be a problem. 1496 02:13:54,500 --> 02:13:56,480 And you can't, if we're going to keep using Parking 1497 02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,520 as an excuse to not go forward, we're 1498 02:13:58,520 --> 02:14:04,580 I never going to go forward with anything in this town, and believe me, I was born and raised there, too, my parents were born and raised there. 1499 02:14:04,820 --> 02:14:07,760 I grew up there, I'm affect the first two years in my life, I live on Windsor Street. 1500 02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:13,600 I remember family members in cold water, flats, boiling water on the stove, so I know all about Thompsonville. 1501 02:14:13,980 --> 02:14:20,520 Matter of fact, that was the aid to a council and during redevelopment, and I came down here every day and did my inventory for him, 1502 02:14:20,660 --> 02:14:22,120 tough, all things were progressing. 1503 02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:30,160 And yeah, there was some bill that's got torn down to shouldn't have been absolutely there's also buildings that should have been torn down that never were so it's a nicks bag on that one 1504 02:14:31,480 --> 02:14:33,040 Irving it over ruined times of ill 1505 02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:38,940 Castle was already ruined before Irving it will I lived here was born here always was 1506 02:14:41,020 --> 02:14:46,580 You know, we didn't count on the browns building burning down that hurt. We didn't count on that. Did we it maybe 1507 02:14:46,580 --> 02:14:48,980 Toss a bit a lot different at the brown building never burned down 1508 02:14:48,980 --> 02:14:52,000 You remember the brown building but Western Idaho stuff in it, all right? 1509 02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:59,980 We didn't count on the bakery moving out of the old teen center slash grants and that would have been viable to those things happen and tons of ill has changed and we 1510 02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980 We need to change with it. We need to go forward. And I really like what was brought up tonight about Mayor Storton, who brought in here, I'm going to give a Republican some coup d'hose. And I don't mind, because basically she's right. What comes first, a chicken or the egg, right? You build the housing first, and then the economic development occurs. We have a train station coming, right? At this point, I trust that people in the state, what they're saying and money's been somewhat there. They're going to be going for that. This project, based on our timeline, is going to be happening concurrently with 1511 02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:35,340 that, or maybe just a little bit before that, like I think you brought up, so again, we need 1512 02:15:35,340 --> 02:15:38,980 to have the boots on the ground, you have the boots on the ground with this many people now 1513 02:15:38,980 --> 02:15:43,560 economic development starts occurring. And yeah, you know, parking needs to be addressed at 1514 02:15:43,560 --> 02:15:47,660 this level, maybe the council level, economic development commission, I'm not sure, but they need 1515 02:15:47,660 --> 02:15:52,320 to be looking at another lot or something, even regardless whether this project comes forward or not, 1516 02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:57,580 winter parking is an issue, no doubt about it. But like we were saying before, our regulations don't 1517 02:15:57,580 --> 02:16:03,200 guarantee parking. They say available parking. If you want to make a guarantee parking, change 1518 02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:07,680 a regulation to say guarantee parking. I guess that's my point. We have to go by the regulations 1519 02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:14,700 here. So having said that, I probably said enough. I am for this development and I'm for option 1520 02:16:14,700 --> 02:16:18,080 number two. I did like, even though I did like option number one, didn't bother me. Option number 1521 02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:22,420 one, minding me of that facility just as built and harford and a corner of Maine and park, 1522 02:16:22,700 --> 02:16:27,160 kind of, but option two is a little bit nicer. So I do like the architecture option two. 1523 02:16:27,580 --> 02:16:29,400 So, having said it after my comments, 1524 02:16:32,200 --> 02:16:33,640 seeing none, I guess Mr. 1525 02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:35,380 Oh, thank you. 1526 02:16:35,520 --> 02:16:40,480 So, I would like to, again, I usually don't do this, but I would like to add as a condition. 1527 02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:48,100 If someone would make condition 29, the architectural design be a number of proposal number 1528 02:16:48,100 --> 02:16:50,700 2, I think that would cover it, Laurie, you think that would cover it? 1529 02:16:50,820 --> 02:16:51,980 Would someone please make that motion? 1530 02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:53,900 So moved. 1531 02:16:55,480 --> 02:16:56,320 How did that? 1532 02:16:57,900 --> 02:17:00,860 I'm a lot of the laugh right, everybody a little bit. 1533 02:17:01,040 --> 02:17:05,560 Commissioner Halinsky made the motion that the architectural design, the second one 1534 02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:11,780 and proposal BD accepted one, seconded by Vice Chairman Higley, all those in favor of that 1535 02:17:11,780 --> 02:17:12,220 condition. 1536 02:17:13,480 --> 02:17:26,280 I know you know, however you vote, so that was condition 29, that was unanimous 1537 02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:31,290 to that 1538 02:17:31,290 --> 02:17:42,990 What did the gray for Virginia Higley against Francis Olibon against Joseph Meway for 1539 02:17:44,090 --> 02:17:51,430 Kenneth Olensky for and John Petrano is for let the records show to this application has passed and has been accepted 1540 02:17:51,430 --> 02:17:53,750 And we will be moving forward this project 1541 02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:56,810 I notice it's contentious a lot of people, but please 1542 02:17:56,810 --> 02:18:08,290 I know this is a contentious with a lot of people and a lot of the vision and the talent over this project, but just playing his own and a five to two vote has a firm this project in this case is closed. 1543 02:18:08,490 --> 02:18:10,070 Thank you very much everybody. 1544 02:18:13,810 --> 02:18:16,350 Give us a second to get collected and we'll move on to the next. 1545 02:18:36,360 --> 02:18:42,180 I will entertain a quick five-minute recess by the room clears motion motion-based by Vice-Chairman DeGrease, 1546 02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:45,760 Second of Vice-Chairman Higley for a five-minute recess all those of favor. 1547 02:18:46,680 --> 02:18:48,480 Alex, we're taking a five-minute recess. 1548 02:22:29,340 --> 02:22:31,460 I call this meeting back to order everybody please. 1549 02:22:32,040 --> 02:22:36,060 Mr. Secretary, could you please open the hearing on pH 308MA please? 1550 02:22:42,260 --> 02:22:47,640 Yeah, Mr. Chair, I think this was right in the legal notice of running last meeting. 1551 02:22:48,440 --> 02:22:49,520 I couldn't really do that again. 1552 02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:50,040 No, it's okay. 1553 02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:52,180 Maybe we should, because we didn't actually hear it. 1554 02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:52,920 If you don't mind, we'd table. 1555 02:22:53,940 --> 02:22:55,100 Thank you, if you don't mind. 1556 02:23:07,450 --> 02:23:09,650 Yeah, with that right on our agenda, whatever. 1557 02:23:10,530 --> 02:23:12,270 Okay, just so the public kind of knows what it is. 1558 02:23:12,530 --> 02:23:12,610 Sure. 1559 02:23:15,960 --> 02:23:16,700 Public hearing. 1560 02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:30,900 Number pH 3080MA 1721 L Street map 26 lot 18 application for a Zoing map amendment from 1561 02:23:30,900 --> 02:23:39,260 our 33 zone to be El Zone Triano properties LLC applicant owner map 26 lots 28 29 and 1562 02:23:39,260 --> 02:23:41,280 one 18. 1563 02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:44,320 Thank you, the applicant to represent this here. 1564 02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:50,780 Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Yes, for the record. My name is Attorney Paul Smith, 27 self-maist treatments or locks. 1565 02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:57,000 I represent the applicant owner, which is Triano Properties LLC, to my right as the ZIAC. 1566 02:23:57,440 --> 02:24:13,040 The engineer with Hesketh Associates who did the maps for the zone change and to my left is Frank Triano, who is a member and representative of Triano Properties LLC. 1567 02:24:14,940 --> 02:24:22,000 What you see, Mr. Chairman, and members of the Commission on the screen is the zone change map. 1568 02:24:22,300 --> 02:24:29,140 As you can see, this property, which has been in the triano family for about 20 years, I believe, 1569 02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:35,800 is two pieces that are on Elm Street, 1570 02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:38,920 And then a rear parcel, 1571 02:24:41,320 --> 02:24:56,620 which is to the rear of Elm Street, in terms of location, this area, basically is on the north, I guess you would call a north side of Elm Street. 1572 02:24:59,080 --> 02:25:10,220 It's bordered on the east and north by residential and on the west and the south by 1573 02:25:10,220 --> 02:25:13,520 properties owned BL or BG. 1574 02:25:15,420 --> 02:25:20,380 So this property has been in the Triano family for some time. 1575 02:25:20,380 --> 02:25:29,400 They're looking to initially develop the frontage parcels on Elm Street, and from that 1576 02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:35,580 carve out a rear access driveway to the property which is located in the rear. 1577 02:25:36,100 --> 02:25:41,400 The total parcel that we're looking to rezone is 7.5 acres. 1578 02:25:42,440 --> 02:25:47,120 I would suggest, as you look at this map, that this is really, and I'm sure you're all familiar 1579 02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:57,900 with the area. It's a transitional zone. Again, where you have a business BL and BG business 1580 02:25:57,900 --> 02:26:06,320 general, a budding the property, and then on the other side you have a large vacant R-33 1581 02:26:06,320 --> 02:26:15,020 zone. So, the goal is initially, as I said, to develop the front parcels for commercial 1582 02:26:15,020 --> 02:26:25,480 purposes, and then to extend that commercial use into the rear a lot, I would know top 1583 02:26:25,480 --> 02:26:30,760 of graphically, the rear a lot is fairly challenging because there's extensive wetlands 1584 02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:38,580 on that lot. So when you say it's going to be developed, it's a limited, the development 1585 02:26:38,580 --> 02:26:44,540 is going to be limited back there based on the wetlands, which is a fairly substantial portion. 1586 02:26:46,580 --> 02:26:55,880 We proposed BL because that's obviously a little bit more of a limiting zone in terms of what's allowed for business uses. 1587 02:26:56,900 --> 02:27:05,320 I think Frank could speak maybe to a long-term vision, but I would think it would be a couple of buildings, single story, 1588 02:27:05,320 --> 02:27:12,820 medical use or some light retail use, something like that, nothing with any significant impact. 1589 02:27:15,960 --> 02:27:27,260 And so it's, they think, now is the opportunity, they own obviously other parcels on that street that they've successfully, successfully developed for business uses. 1590 02:27:27,800 --> 02:27:32,620 And they think there's an opportunity here and now move forward with these parcels. 1591 02:27:32,620 --> 02:27:35,440 I don't know, Frank, if there's anything else you want to add. 1592 02:27:35,580 --> 02:27:37,900 David, did you want to go to the point of your day? 1593 02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:39,740 I'm glad you're here. 1594 02:27:40,260 --> 02:27:41,500 Good evening, Mr. Chairman. 1595 02:27:41,700 --> 02:27:43,580 Members of the Commission, my name's Dave Zayak. 1596 02:27:43,580 --> 02:27:45,440 I'm a professional engineer with F.A. Haskell. 1597 02:27:45,880 --> 02:27:49,520 And just to maybe expand just a little bit more with Paul was saying, 1598 02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:54,660 in particular, the idea would be to demolish the two homes 1599 02:27:54,660 --> 02:27:57,420 that are on the two lots along Elm Street. 1600 02:27:58,080 --> 02:28:02,260 And integrate that development with the bank and the medical center. 1601 02:28:02,260 --> 02:28:03,760 So it would all be tied together. 1602 02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:06,400 We have to have limited driveway cuts out 1603 02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:07,920 into Elm Street, it's a state road. 1604 02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:12,600 And the idea would be to integrate the parking there 1605 02:28:12,600 --> 02:28:17,900 and the whole look of the facility as one from the corner 1606 02:28:17,900 --> 02:28:19,040 all the way down. 1607 02:28:19,500 --> 02:28:22,020 And then the idea was, well, what do we do with the back parcel? 1608 02:28:22,460 --> 02:28:25,080 It's a fairly large parcel, certainly, for the neighborhood. 1609 02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:29,960 But as Paul indicated, it's chopped up with a major wetland. 1610 02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:37,680 and then of course there will be buffer requirements to the surrounding residential uses just by zoning. 1611 02:28:39,420 --> 02:28:47,500 So the thought was to, it's essentially a strange parcel, it's landlocked and no one really knows how it got that way, but it is. 1612 02:28:47,800 --> 02:28:50,840 It has no frontage on any public street. 1613 02:28:51,500 --> 02:28:58,440 So logically, the best shot to do anything back there will be to get a driveway through the wetland area 1614 02:28:58,440 --> 02:29:05,080 going to be a difficult application with the wetlands commission and then bring any traffic 1615 02:29:05,080 --> 02:29:09,540 and access to that back piece through the front piece out to Elm Street. There will be 1616 02:29:09,540 --> 02:29:17,220 no other access points to the surrounding neighborhood. And that's about it. It's been a 1617 02:29:17,220 --> 02:29:23,580 piece that we've looked at with the Toronto's now for a number of years. And this seems like 1618 02:29:23,580 --> 02:29:27,600 we've talked the thrill we think this is the most logical thing is to expand some business 1619 02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:34,720 use down to the location and then do our best to integrate that back larger piece through the front 1620 02:29:34,720 --> 02:29:44,740 piece back to Elm Street. It certainly has no practical use as like an R33 live. It would remain 1621 02:29:46,380 --> 02:29:46,860 undeveloped. 1622 02:29:47,160 --> 02:29:51,520 Right, so maybe if I may have had to have a question to not come kind of confused if Commissioner 1623 02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:55,880 of the mind. So are you saying that there's going to be no curb cut onto Elm Street or you 1624 02:29:55,880 --> 02:29:59,920 No, they'll probably be one more curb cut onto Almstree. 1625 02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,100 We're the two lots are. Right, so that would remain and to be at least one clerk that you're going for to host the four. 1626 02:30:06,520 --> 02:30:16,040 Yeah, and that would go through up into the back. Yeah, okay. And then another access through to the other medical building and the bank and the back. 1627 02:30:16,040 --> 02:30:17,920 The idea is to tie that all together nicely. 1628 02:30:18,420 --> 02:30:21,000 Okay, I just confused about the clerk. I know, okay. Thank you. 1629 02:30:22,320 --> 02:30:22,460 All right. 1630 02:30:22,700 --> 02:30:23,180 Sorry to interrupt. 1631 02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:30,320 Good evening. 1632 02:30:33,320 --> 02:30:36,960 Thank you very much and first of all, happy holidays to everyone. 1633 02:30:39,240 --> 02:30:43,940 We've had this piece for quite a while and we looked at it for options and we finally 1634 02:30:43,940 --> 02:30:49,280 came to a conclusion and said that there's actually a limited amount of first floor access 1635 02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:53,860 commercial and residential and everything else to do right now we're working on commercial 1636 02:30:53,860 --> 02:30:55,120 and medical uses here. 1637 02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:58,960 We don't want to pursue the homes that are still there. 1638 02:30:58,980 --> 02:31:04,840 We find this actually as an opportunity to do commercial work, medical work, because we 1639 02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:05,560 have some interest. 1640 02:31:06,120 --> 02:31:11,800 People that actually solicit us for our advertisements, there's very few walk-in, first 1641 02:31:11,800 --> 02:31:15,100 floor, single floor, access, four medical. 1642 02:31:15,620 --> 02:31:17,360 And we're getting a lot of that inquiry right now. 1643 02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:21,760 It's very difficult to find a spot and end field for the cost, for the access, for the parking, 1644 02:31:22,340 --> 02:31:25,020 and like David said, a lot of the setback issues are a problem. 1645 02:31:26,060 --> 02:31:27,240 We've actually had some interest. 1646 02:31:27,900 --> 02:31:31,460 We wanted to see if we can see if we can develop something, but this is a little bit of a challenge 1647 02:31:31,460 --> 02:31:31,780 site. 1648 02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:33,340 We have interest for the front. 1649 02:31:34,340 --> 02:31:36,380 We would like to find out if this interest for the back. 1650 02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:41,960 And to do that, as Paul and David Ball said, it's a really challenged area because most 1651 02:31:41,960 --> 02:31:45,640 of the site in the back on that larger parcel is very wet. 1652 02:31:46,320 --> 02:31:51,300 So the buffer on that side is probably going to end off being 50, 100 feet on those parcels 1653 02:31:51,300 --> 02:31:52,440 that actually about Elm Street. 1654 02:31:52,440 --> 02:31:58,620 The drier or the more raised area is actually on the far side and actually do that delineation and do all that research 1655 02:31:58,620 --> 02:32:01,700 It's going to be a challenge. So we talked with staff 1656 02:32:01,700 --> 02:32:08,020 We tried to find out the easiest way and we also wanted to be not disingenuous to the commission 1657 02:32:08,500 --> 02:32:10,720 We have no intention to do in multi-story 1658 02:32:10,720 --> 02:32:13,560 We want to actually have a blend into the community 1659 02:32:13,560 --> 02:32:16,740 We have two homes that we've owned for a while. They're both two story 1660 02:32:16,740 --> 02:32:23,640 This would be a one-story medical single-floor on-slab, walk-in, handicapped, accessible building. 1661 02:32:24,320 --> 02:32:26,460 There's very few left and end-fielders very few now. 1662 02:32:26,860 --> 02:32:29,960 And it's hard to actually justify the expense that actually takes for something like that. 1663 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:34,640 But we see this as an opportunity because when we develop the M&T building, which is to be end-field federal savings, 1664 02:32:35,320 --> 02:32:38,100 I'm like the previous application, I'm from end-field to I'm a lifer. 1665 02:32:38,520 --> 02:32:42,960 So I wrote an I bike downtown for a big hello and I feel for everything that you said at the previous application, 1666 02:32:43,780 --> 02:32:45,420 but there still needs to be more investment. 1667 02:32:45,420 --> 02:32:49,280 And I still need to have people come down that have to spend some money, want to go and 1668 02:32:49,280 --> 02:32:52,780 solicit all the restaurants and all the other activities that are part of this. 1669 02:32:53,020 --> 02:32:57,940 And we see this type of development as a blend that has to bridge the residential that's 1670 02:32:57,940 --> 02:33:02,840 actually to the east and the commercial or the medical professional that's actually to the west. 1671 02:33:03,540 --> 02:33:07,860 And integrating this right into that type of development, we see as an opportunity and 1672 02:33:07,860 --> 02:33:09,580 that's why we wanted to bring it for you. 1673 02:33:09,940 --> 02:33:15,060 The challenge that we had in working with staff is you have very few zoning opportunities 1674 02:33:15,060 --> 02:33:17,880 is because B&L does allow more activity. 1675 02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:23,220 And we wanted to make sure that we presented this to the commission, but also to the public 1676 02:33:23,220 --> 02:33:28,220 in the sense that we have no intention in the back to build another Hartford hospital building 1677 02:33:28,220 --> 02:33:33,000 in the back with multistory, the parking requirements, the setbacks, and probably the density 1678 02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:34,580 is going to be very challenged back there. 1679 02:33:34,980 --> 02:33:38,780 But we really want to come forward with a zone change application for the purpose that we 1680 02:33:38,780 --> 02:33:39,720 want to make sure that you're interested. 1681 02:33:40,700 --> 02:33:42,840 We really can't go forward if we know we're not interested. 1682 02:33:42,840 --> 02:33:48,020 we feel very comfortable in the front that we can integrate a pitched roof, a very shingle 1683 02:33:48,020 --> 02:33:52,540 style building in the front area, but the idea of actually doing that, we have our setback 1684 02:33:52,540 --> 02:33:56,500 requirement that everything designs out for a nice little building that would actually integrate 1685 02:33:56,500 --> 02:34:01,600 next to and be lower than most of the house sets in the area. In the back, the challenge is how much 1686 02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:06,380 can we actually get for density and actually make a view worthwhile. As Mr. Zayak said, has been our 1687 02:34:06,380 --> 02:34:12,400 engineer on the site since we actually built that first building in 2005, that it's a tough area. 1688 02:34:12,400 --> 02:34:13,640 It's a lot of wetness. 1689 02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:16,480 There's going to be a lot of setback requirements, and we're going to actually abide by all 1690 02:34:16,480 --> 02:34:16,920 of it. 1691 02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:19,720 But to do all of that integration, it's going to be extremely expensive. 1692 02:34:19,900 --> 02:34:21,940 But we also want to make sure that you're interested in doing that. 1693 02:34:22,300 --> 02:34:23,720 We want to make sure you're interested in doing the front. 1694 02:34:23,720 --> 02:34:27,820 We think the front's a very great opportunity to bridge that gap between the residential 1695 02:34:27,820 --> 02:34:29,780 and where the beginning and the end might be. 1696 02:34:30,220 --> 02:34:33,700 And we think we have the buffer behind it that actually can be integrated into the neighborhood. 1697 02:34:34,220 --> 02:34:37,200 And still actually be something that Thompson will gain from. 1698 02:34:37,360 --> 02:34:41,320 But we also want to make sure that you knew why we came through with this to tell you that 1699 02:34:41,320 --> 02:34:45,980 We're only doing first story, single story, walk in, and we're planning to do the same in 1700 02:34:45,980 --> 02:34:46,420 the back. 1701 02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:51,540 Even though we're applying for BL at our ART meeting, we actually talked openly about 1702 02:34:51,540 --> 02:34:54,480 that has to be clear, that has to be something there. 1703 02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:59,560 I thank you again also for not, I guess you can say, my illness, I was actually sick to 1704 02:34:59,560 --> 02:35:00,060 weeks ago. 1705 02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:04,260 I appreciate the opportunity to come this time because you didn't want to have me there. 1706 02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:06,980 It would have been bad for everybody if I'm going to show up to weeks ago. 1707 02:35:06,980 --> 02:35:12,980 But the idea is, I wanted to say it myself to let you know, our intention is to actually do a very simple-style 1708 02:35:13,920 --> 02:35:16,600 access where fire code, health access, 1709 02:35:17,180 --> 02:35:24,080 handy-cap access is all part of the development, but that's also what our intention is to the rear-parsal before people are worried about having a BL district 1710 02:35:24,080 --> 02:35:29,020 where we actually have that need. So openly knowing I'm a, I'm a repeat applicant 1711 02:35:29,560 --> 02:35:34,200 I think that hopefully would say should some light on what our intentions are not only for such a 1712 02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:39,360 I think an access to the front, but also to the rear area that may be given you a concern as well. 1713 02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:42,560 And that's why I wanted to make sure it was clear as to what our intentions are for the future. 1714 02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:44,140 Thank you. 1715 02:35:44,300 --> 02:35:45,260 Thank you very much for that overview. 1716 02:35:45,920 --> 02:35:46,860 Questions for the applicant? 1717 02:35:47,940 --> 02:35:48,180 Good afternoon. 1718 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:55,660 Mr. Trion, could you elaborate on some of the commercial uses that might come out there? 1719 02:35:55,660 --> 02:35:58,720 I know you spoke medical and I'm happy with medical. 1720 02:35:59,080 --> 02:35:59,300 Sure. 1721 02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,060 The first development has worked out very well. 1722 02:36:02,340 --> 02:36:03,620 I think on the corner there. 1723 02:36:03,620 --> 02:36:04,620 Thank you. 1724 02:36:05,640 --> 02:36:09,360 And, but can you just say, Library, I'll maybe, what would the types of commercial businesses 1725 02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:11,180 would you be considering there? 1726 02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:15,300 You know, it's funny you said that we've had no inquiries for commercial. 1727 02:36:16,140 --> 02:36:17,800 We've only had inquiries for professional. 1728 02:36:18,100 --> 02:36:22,940 We've had a lawyer, lawyer actually at us, so we had the PT groups, we've had medical. 1729 02:36:24,480 --> 02:36:29,580 I know it would allow it, but you know, in the front we already have some interest, which 1730 02:36:29,580 --> 02:36:32,940 would take up a good portion of the building and it is not met. 1731 02:36:32,940 --> 02:36:34,500 it is medical, it is not commercial. 1732 02:36:35,160 --> 02:36:37,220 We understand that the BL allows that. 1733 02:36:37,580 --> 02:36:39,980 And I also don't tell that to the back. 1734 02:36:40,480 --> 02:36:42,800 The BL is going to allow commercial in the back. 1735 02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:47,280 But it's got to be a very low, low traffic, very hidden 1736 02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:50,060 with the tree line, as you see, with the wetlands 1737 02:36:50,060 --> 02:36:52,220 on the southern side of that larger parcel. 1738 02:36:52,840 --> 02:36:53,980 It's going to be hidden. 1739 02:36:53,980 --> 02:36:54,840 There's nothing there. 1740 02:36:54,940 --> 02:36:58,560 There's no access on Park Avenue just because it's fully developed. 1741 02:36:59,060 --> 02:37:02,620 There's with Mr. Rome on that side, on the west side. 1742 02:37:02,620 --> 02:37:06,620 there's nothing available for for anybody seeing that opportunity so we're never going 1743 02:37:06,620 --> 02:37:09,660 to get any high retail which is another reason why we know we're not going to be doing 1744 02:37:09,660 --> 02:37:13,500 some large development back there it'll be single story but we haven't received any 1745 02:37:13,500 --> 02:37:17,600 we do have some open space and we can always solicit but at the same time that's not the 1746 02:37:17,600 --> 02:37:22,420 intention that's not the expectation so it's going to be something like like you said medical 1747 02:37:22,420 --> 02:37:29,940 offices perhaps maybe an optician potentially professional office maybe an account in type 1748 02:37:29,940 --> 02:37:30,620 or appropriate. 1749 02:37:31,100 --> 02:37:31,840 Something that simple. 1750 02:37:31,860 --> 02:37:32,780 Just that kind of thing. 1751 02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:33,120 Yeah. 1752 02:37:33,500 --> 02:37:33,860 Thank you. 1753 02:37:33,940 --> 02:37:34,780 Thank you. 1754 02:37:37,490 --> 02:37:38,150 Any other questions? 1755 02:37:42,490 --> 02:37:47,390 Have you talked or notified the people on Park Avenue of your 10th, all those of 1756 02:37:47,390 --> 02:37:47,690 butters? 1757 02:37:48,450 --> 02:37:48,950 We do not. 1758 02:37:48,970 --> 02:37:49,530 We don't have to. 1759 02:37:49,690 --> 02:37:50,170 We did not. 1760 02:37:50,530 --> 02:37:53,770 We also want to make sure that, you know, we don't have a curb cut there either. 1761 02:37:53,910 --> 02:37:55,630 So no traffic is going to go on that side. 1762 02:37:55,690 --> 02:37:59,310 And we'll make sure that we actually, but as far back with that setback requirement 1763 02:37:59,310 --> 02:38:03,670 35 feet. We would probably also want to infill and leave all that vegetation that's up there 1764 02:38:03,670 --> 02:38:07,290 now for all those people that are in the same thing on the south side but the south side 1765 02:38:07,290 --> 02:38:10,530 we're not going to be able to touch it. It's too wet. I know you'd be reputable and I know 1766 02:38:10,530 --> 02:38:15,410 you're word is your word, but I guess I'm concerned even though you don't have to. We don't have to. 1767 02:38:15,550 --> 02:38:22,750 Nobody has to. Notify all those butters. There's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 1768 02:38:22,750 --> 02:38:28,690 butters back there. Summoner multi-family. You know what? We know the street very well. 1769 02:38:28,690 --> 02:38:34,750 I'm sure we do. I know we don't have to notify them and here they are. This might be, if any of 1770 02:38:34,750 --> 02:38:38,990 them are even interested, you only tend to notice this application is even coming front of us, 1771 02:38:39,190 --> 02:38:43,330 if they're happening to be watching this or if the J.I. puts it in the paper or someone puts it in 1772 02:38:43,330 --> 02:38:47,230 patch. So that's one of my concerns. I know you didn't have to notify them. 1773 02:38:47,230 --> 02:38:51,910 No, and to answer that question, I think the idea is having that delay in having that opportunity 1774 02:38:51,910 --> 02:38:54,690 with the signs. We left the signs up for the entire time for the public hearing. 1775 02:38:54,790 --> 02:38:58,450 Yeah, you did. You know, we wanted to make sure and I'm not here to mislead me, but we're also 1776 02:38:58,450 --> 02:39:01,490 not here to develop any kind of large, high-rise and large traffic. 1777 02:39:01,610 --> 02:39:05,670 I'm not planning to do this, but I appreciate what you said because I think it should 1778 02:39:05,670 --> 02:39:09,770 be said to the microphone and said to the openness, we're not there to have it be a large 1779 02:39:09,770 --> 02:39:11,090 invasive type of activity. 1780 02:39:11,650 --> 02:39:16,710 We don't foresee that just like when I mentioned to Mr. Flintsky, that's not what we expect 1781 02:39:16,710 --> 02:39:17,990 to happen in the first place anyways. 1782 02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:22,830 I just wanted to mention that. 1783 02:39:22,910 --> 02:39:27,350 We did receive quite a lot of colors about the property who live across the street behind 1784 02:39:27,350 --> 02:39:32,090 on ParkF. You did. Yes. So they were kind of aware we were having a serious night. And none of 1785 02:39:32,090 --> 02:39:37,450 them had any objections or concerns. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 1786 02:39:37,450 --> 02:39:38,750 Thank you. Thanks for passing on. I appreciate 1787 02:39:42,460 --> 02:39:46,820 that. I don't think anyone in public here 1788 02:39:46,820 --> 02:39:49,480 but I have to do it from the public. Is there anyone in public that like to speak for 1789 02:39:49,480 --> 02:39:54,800 against this application? Anyone in public for the third time? Seeing none. That's done. 1790 02:39:58,320 --> 02:40:02,880 There's no questions and no real self questions. Staff have any more questions or concerns? 1791 02:40:06,740 --> 02:40:09,140 Nothing beyond what was written in the memo. 1792 02:40:10,020 --> 02:40:10,480 So. 1793 02:40:11,320 --> 02:40:13,080 But I did see in a memo that I did not. 1794 02:40:13,580 --> 02:40:16,940 You didn't allude to anything in our house affordable housing plan. 1795 02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:21,420 It's we're supposed to be encouraging affordable housing and not decreasing affordable housing. 1796 02:40:21,640 --> 02:40:24,840 And this application would be eliminating some affordable housing. 1797 02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:26,080 That is correct. 1798 02:40:26,240 --> 02:40:26,820 Thank you. 1799 02:40:26,900 --> 02:40:28,080 Just want to get that for the record. 1800 02:40:33,820 --> 02:40:34,860 Seeing that. 1801 02:40:34,860 --> 02:40:40,200 questions just among ourselves. Most are made by Vice Chairman, Vice Chairman, the 1802 02:40:40,200 --> 02:40:43,400 great second by Vice Chairman, Hickley, to close the public hearing. All those in favor 1803 02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:49,180 signify by saying aye. To record show the public hearing is closed, entertain a motion 1804 02:40:49,180 --> 02:40:49,860 to approve. 1805 02:40:52,720 --> 02:40:56,740 Yes, Mr. Chair, I would like to make a motion to approve public hearing. Number 3, 0, 8, 0, 1806 02:40:57,020 --> 02:41:06,720 M, A, 17, 21, L, street and map 26, lock 18, zoning map amendment from R33 to B, L. 1807 02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:14,560 of Toronto properties LLC applicant owner, map 26, lots 28, 29 and 1, 1, 8. 1808 02:41:14,920 --> 02:41:15,060 Thank you. 1809 02:41:15,220 --> 02:41:15,740 There are seconds. 1810 02:41:16,360 --> 02:41:19,740 Second, I'd like to mention how this can be motion made by Secretary Petramell, the second 1811 02:41:19,740 --> 02:41:21,100 of I can mention, it's too approve. 1812 02:41:21,340 --> 02:41:21,680 Discussion. 1813 02:41:24,030 --> 02:41:27,650 Well, I guess I'm the only one who has a little bit of budget about this. 1814 02:41:27,710 --> 02:41:31,230 And I know you're being an honorable business, an honorable family, and your words, you 1815 02:41:31,230 --> 02:41:32,850 are, and I know you always do what you set to do. 1816 02:41:33,510 --> 02:41:37,990 Please don't take my condos, is anything detrimental towards your operation at all. 1817 02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:42,130 which is this area bothers me to be quite frank with you. 1818 02:41:42,370 --> 02:41:43,770 And I know you know I know it well. 1819 02:41:44,070 --> 02:41:46,410 I'm concerned about another commercial curb cut on 1820 02:41:46,410 --> 02:41:47,370 the Elm Street. 1821 02:41:47,790 --> 02:41:51,610 Elm Street is turning it to a disaster from all the way up 1822 02:41:51,610 --> 02:41:55,150 from past Walgreens all the way down to this light here. 1823 02:41:55,310 --> 02:42:00,290 And to me, I'm not looking to create any more commercial areas. 1824 02:42:00,890 --> 02:42:03,870 Taring down any more woodlands or certainly Taring down any more homes 1825 02:42:03,870 --> 02:42:06,490 for commercial expansion in this town period. 1826 02:42:06,490 --> 02:42:12,710 One of the reasons why I'm getting off because I know that's going to happen and I don't see 1827 02:42:12,710 --> 02:42:15,170 there's a need and I've been hearing in my travels for a while time. 1828 02:42:15,190 --> 02:42:19,190 Most people are saying, my god, another medical facility, how many more chicken places 1829 02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:19,830 we're going to get? 1830 02:42:20,250 --> 02:42:21,010 How many more gas station? 1831 02:42:21,010 --> 02:42:21,790 How many don't can do it? 1832 02:42:21,890 --> 02:42:22,950 It's another medical building? 1833 02:42:24,070 --> 02:42:28,190 So based on all that, you know, I probably, I know I'm in the minority here, but please don't 1834 02:42:28,190 --> 02:42:29,530 take it to this in a fence, it's not. 1835 02:42:29,790 --> 02:42:33,850 I'm going to be voting against this zone change because of all the reasons I just stated. 1836 02:42:34,650 --> 02:42:38,970 And that's my only comment, so have me said, that's just no one else, because I shouldn't be great. 1837 02:42:39,470 --> 02:42:40,370 Just a question. 1838 02:42:44,270 --> 02:42:47,710 I know that you're trying to do here. 1839 02:42:48,670 --> 02:42:53,970 And since there is a curb cut already for the medical building and for the bank, 1840 02:42:55,970 --> 02:42:59,950 I guess I just don't see the necessity for a third one. 1841 02:43:00,390 --> 02:43:04,190 You know, because the bank and the medical building was all connected, 1842 02:43:04,190 --> 02:43:08,550 And if this is all merged, I'm using the wrong word, 1843 02:43:08,670 --> 02:43:11,870 but merge it together, why wouldn't you be able to use that? 1844 02:43:12,390 --> 02:43:16,450 And then again, you're not in front of us with a site plan 1845 02:43:16,450 --> 02:43:21,170 or anything, this is just a zone, but just a thought, 1846 02:43:21,310 --> 02:43:23,670 just to put it in the back here, OK? 1847 02:43:24,530 --> 02:43:27,870 And somebody who we know, it's a noodle on it. 1848 02:43:28,530 --> 02:43:29,430 So noodle on that. 1849 02:43:29,550 --> 02:43:30,030 Thank you. 1850 02:43:33,030 --> 02:43:37,690 So being at there's two homes there that have driveways that are curb cuts, so they're there 1851 02:43:37,690 --> 02:43:37,910 exist. 1852 02:43:38,870 --> 02:43:42,910 So if you combine those two, that makes one no question with the, yeah, we're really close 1853 02:43:42,910 --> 02:43:43,290 public here. 1854 02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:44,690 Lots ourselves. 1855 02:43:45,170 --> 02:43:46,210 So it's already, yeah. 1856 02:43:46,210 --> 02:43:48,830 Well, it's different than that in the commercial one. 1857 02:43:49,150 --> 02:43:52,150 But I mean, there already is, there are curb cuts, there are curb cuts. 1858 02:43:52,590 --> 02:43:53,050 And not commercial. 1859 02:43:55,010 --> 02:43:55,130 Yeah. 1860 02:43:55,130 --> 02:43:55,210 Yeah. 1861 02:43:55,370 --> 02:43:55,530 Yeah. 1862 02:43:55,530 --> 02:44:04,210 point yeah anybody else because we just want to make a comment you know we talked about how we all kind 1863 02:44:04,210 --> 02:44:10,170 of grew up in Thompsonville and all that and one of the houses we looked at looking for our 1864 02:44:10,170 --> 02:44:15,930 first house was on middle road and it backed up to a medical facility at the time it was the small 1865 02:44:15,930 --> 02:44:21,890 Johnson wasn't even there and so it was a small medical dental type facility and the owner of that 1866 02:44:21,890 --> 02:44:36,670 said best neighbors you could ever have. So they're quiet. There's no parties. You know, so, you know, I kind of think of that, you know, and I'm saying, it's really, I think an ideal use for that land. 1867 02:44:39,500 --> 02:44:40,340 Thank you. 1868 02:44:42,040 --> 02:44:42,240 Yeah. 1869 02:44:42,320 --> 02:44:46,300 As far as the attention went out, they're not here before it's for development. 1870 02:44:47,080 --> 02:44:49,520 No, they talked about the extensive wetlands there. 1871 02:44:50,040 --> 02:44:50,160 Yeah. 1872 02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:56,280 I went and looked again yesterday. I'm so impressed by the noble gas station and what they did over there with that wetland. 1873 02:44:56,820 --> 02:44:59,620 They've actually moved it and created a public. 1874 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,980 Area where you can go lock around ponds and they have benches and so there are so many different things they can do. I mean, I don't know if they're going to do that. But I don't think that we're thinking about wetlands as wetlands like the Redwood Forest and we got to protect the certain species and stuff like that. But there's that mobile and not mobile, noble gas station, everybody should go back there and look amazing what they did. And that lot that plot back there, that parcel that they've built on. Everybody tried to build on it over the years. No, it's wet. No, it's wet. No, it's wet. No, it's wet. No, it's wet. No, it's wet. 1875 02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:34,800 did something amazing. Hopefully, we can see more of that in this community. Because it takes 1876 02:45:34,800 --> 02:45:40,960 what lens that aren't used to being used. Again, that'd be careful if I can. This is not 1877 02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:45,400 about be careful for what you wish for, because we might end up being just a one big, 1878 02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:50,880 impervious coverage, where I just see this happening every day. The thing is, people can actually 1879 02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:55,580 go and enjoy that wetland now and walk around there or traffic some more dangerous intersection on 1880 02:45:55,580 --> 02:46:02,360 my friend. We're deviating. We have a vote. Let's have a vote. We're deviating. Let's have a vote. 1881 02:46:02,480 --> 02:46:03,600 We have Mr. Secretary. 1882 02:46:06,420 --> 02:46:06,680 We are. 1883 02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:15,560 Four. 1884 02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:16,740 Four. 1885 02:46:17,540 --> 02:46:17,800 Four. 1886 02:46:18,360 --> 02:46:18,680 Four. 1887 02:46:19,040 --> 02:46:20,740 John Pachford, I was four. 1888 02:46:21,280 --> 02:46:21,800 Approved. 1889 02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:22,360 Approved. 1890 02:46:22,780 --> 02:46:23,540 Sixty-one. 1891 02:46:23,720 --> 02:46:24,660 Yep. Good luck with the project. 1892 02:46:24,660 --> 02:46:26,140 I think you're lucky. 1893 02:46:26,600 --> 02:46:26,820 Yep. 1894 02:46:27,060 --> 02:46:27,640 Good luck. 1895 02:46:27,960 --> 02:46:28,340 Happy holidays. 1896 02:46:28,660 --> 02:46:29,280 All you save one. 1897 02:46:34,420 --> 02:46:35,360 Sixth one. 1898 02:46:35,460 --> 02:46:35,900 Approval. 1899 02:46:36,800 --> 02:46:39,840 Could you just place the effective date? 1900 02:46:40,320 --> 02:46:43,600 It's in the motion on your paper. 1901 02:46:45,340 --> 02:46:46,800 Effective date. 1902 02:46:47,100 --> 02:46:47,720 Shadow. 1903 02:46:52,980 --> 02:46:54,180 Effective January 1. 1904 02:46:54,960 --> 02:46:55,740 Thank you very much. 1905 02:46:55,940 --> 02:46:56,520 You're welcome. 1906 02:46:56,520 --> 02:47:00,740 So, pH 381-27 pro-Street was withdrawn. 1907 02:47:01,600 --> 02:47:04,400 It was applicant withdrew this application. 1908 02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:08,140 Due to the fact that it was with 100 feet of a park, 1909 02:47:08,300 --> 02:47:11,800 Delale Park, and thus RT, our tons of regulations 1910 02:47:11,800 --> 02:47:15,500 for any type of cannabis facility required to be more 1911 02:47:15,500 --> 02:47:16,360 than 100 feet. 1912 02:47:16,620 --> 02:47:17,940 This was not going to be retail. 1913 02:47:18,180 --> 02:47:20,440 It was strictly a manufacturing that was going to bring 1914 02:47:20,440 --> 02:47:22,340 some economic development to the town, 1915 02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:25,800 but it does not fall within the application in the applicant. 1916 02:47:25,800 --> 02:47:30,000 I think at this point decided it didn't want to go forward and come to front of the next 1917 02:47:30,000 --> 02:47:31,440 planes only because we tried to get that change. 1918 02:47:31,620 --> 02:47:32,400 They just withdrawn. 1919 02:47:32,680 --> 02:47:33,540 They're probably looking at a time. 1920 02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:35,360 Mr. Chair, was that going to be the Diana's voice? 1921 02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:35,540 Yes, please. 1922 02:47:36,120 --> 02:47:37,140 So they've moved on. 1923 02:47:37,300 --> 02:47:37,940 We've drawn. 1924 02:47:38,100 --> 02:47:39,180 If I look in some other opportunities. 1925 02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:41,180 Okay. 1926 02:47:41,420 --> 02:47:46,920 Going out of pH 383, these young ladies, waiting 383, Z. A. Mr. Secretary. 1927 02:47:47,840 --> 02:47:51,120 The Edphil planning and zone commissioner will hold a public care and get their regular meeting 1928 02:47:51,120 --> 02:47:55,480 on Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7 p.m. 1929 02:47:55,480 --> 02:48:01,000 the Town Hall Council chambers at 820 Infiltre and Phil Connecticut concerning the following 1930 02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:08,760 application, pH number 3083 ZA application of a zoning regulation amendment to allow 1931 02:48:08,760 --> 02:48:17,060 the use of veterinarian offices as a separate category in the B.L. B.L. H and B. G. H zones 1932 02:48:17,060 --> 02:48:28,220 in table 5.2 0, possum vet care, PLLC applicant, Sarah DuPree, Roe, representative. 1933 02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:31,960 Good evening, I guess you're probably all here, so maybe you all identify yourself 1934 02:48:31,960 --> 02:48:34,760 in a record if you don't mind, or at least the person who's going to be doing a speaking. 1935 02:48:35,580 --> 02:48:40,680 Yeah, hi, I'm Sarah DuPree, Roe, one of the owners of the practice here. 1936 02:48:41,100 --> 02:48:41,820 Courtney Snyder? 1937 02:48:43,140 --> 02:48:44,140 Yeah, I'm so sorry. 1938 02:48:44,140 --> 02:48:46,600 Yeah, nine people in Coronado arrive in Newington. 1939 02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:50,760 Courtney Snyder, 64 Kensington, Street, Manchester 1940 02:48:50,760 --> 02:48:52,400 Connecticut, one of the owners. 1941 02:48:53,640 --> 02:48:57,100 Alexa, suitor, 27, St. Mark, circle in Wilington, 1942 02:48:58,040 --> 02:49:01,700 Connecticut, Murray Bates, 83 Brookview Drive 1943 02:49:01,700 --> 02:49:02,840 in Vernon, Connecticut. 1944 02:49:03,100 --> 02:49:03,920 Okay, thank you. 1945 02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:04,460 Thank you for coming. 1946 02:49:04,860 --> 02:49:06,960 Please state, you know, why are you here? 1947 02:49:08,440 --> 02:49:12,340 So we are looking to be able 1948 02:49:12,340 --> 02:49:16,240 to provide additional very badly-needed veterinary care 1949 02:49:16,240 --> 02:49:17,720 for the town of Enfield. 1950 02:49:19,580 --> 02:49:24,980 The 42 roughly 1,000 person city with only two veterinarians 1951 02:49:24,980 --> 02:49:27,820 at the moment, both of whom are part-time, 1952 02:49:28,680 --> 02:49:30,400 which means that the majority of residents 1953 02:49:30,400 --> 02:49:34,020 are forced to travel well outside of the city 1954 02:49:34,020 --> 02:49:36,100 to obtain veterinary care for their pets. 1955 02:49:36,260 --> 02:49:39,160 We all work at various clinics around in the area 1956 02:49:39,160 --> 02:49:50,600 that we see people from and field seeking care in Manchester, in Bolton, in Stafford, in farming 1957 02:49:50,600 --> 02:49:59,580 tin, in Bloomfield. I saw one in North Windom a few weeks ago, and that's a really far distance 1958 02:49:59,580 --> 02:50:03,720 of people to have to drive to provide even basic care for their pets. 1959 02:50:05,740 --> 02:50:08,900 So the veterinary profession 1960 02:50:08,900 --> 02:50:14,240 is being overrun by corporations and we are a local, we've all, we're all Connecticut residents 1961 02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:22,360 that are looking to develop a private solution for the city of Enfield and even the surrounding 1962 02:50:22,360 --> 02:50:30,560 towns that are also underserved for vet care to be able to get quality personalized care for 1963 02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:37,880 their pets. Unfortunately, currently only being available in the, what is it the business general 1964 02:50:37,880 --> 02:50:44,700 own. There's not a lot of those locations that are available that are a size appropriate for a 1965 02:50:44,700 --> 02:50:50,900 small and well veterinary clinic and so are a veterinary office and so that's what we're 1966 02:50:50,900 --> 02:50:56,680 hoping to we're not looking to be providing overnight care or looking to provide you know basically 1967 02:50:56,680 --> 02:51:04,580 day outpatient care for patients and that's what we're looking to create a separate category for veterinary 1968 02:51:04,580 --> 02:51:08,220 offices that are essentially doing just that. 1969 02:51:08,900 --> 02:51:12,460 One of the clinics that is still currently open 1970 02:51:12,460 --> 02:51:15,800 and end field, fresh water is actually 1971 02:51:16,420 --> 02:51:18,060 technically in the BL zone. 1972 02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:21,060 So it would also be bringing them into compliance. 1973 02:51:22,440 --> 02:51:25,760 They just need, and field needs more care for their dogs 1974 02:51:25,760 --> 02:51:26,160 and cats. 1975 02:51:27,880 --> 02:51:27,920 So. 1976 02:51:28,300 --> 02:51:29,300 OK, thank you. 1977 02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:30,820 Anything else you want to add? 1978 02:51:31,860 --> 02:51:32,780 I want to add it all. 1979 02:51:34,140 --> 02:51:36,920 to a very good job, to a very good job. 1980 02:51:37,220 --> 02:51:39,040 The questions for the commission from the commission. 1981 02:51:39,240 --> 02:51:39,900 Good question, Higley. 1982 02:51:41,020 --> 02:51:43,640 I noticed that in the separate category, 1983 02:51:43,980 --> 02:51:46,940 you list BL historic and BG historic, 1984 02:51:47,520 --> 02:51:49,740 you have planned to open up in the historic district. 1985 02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:53,060 We, that was actually a commissioner. 1986 02:51:53,400 --> 02:51:55,940 Higley, the H stands for Hazardville, not historic. 1987 02:51:55,960 --> 02:51:56,680 Oh, Hazardville. 1988 02:51:57,260 --> 02:51:57,300 Yeah. 1989 02:51:58,680 --> 02:51:58,700 Yeah. 1990 02:51:58,980 --> 02:51:59,620 That's interesting. 1991 02:52:00,200 --> 02:52:02,760 I take back my question, and I'm glad 1992 02:52:02,760 --> 02:52:04,520 that you're not running a kennel. 1993 02:52:05,880 --> 02:52:09,120 No, we don't need wonderful this in this town, but not the kennel. 1994 02:52:09,620 --> 02:52:15,060 No, and that is specifically what we are not trying to serve. 1995 02:52:15,640 --> 02:52:18,160 We are truly just looking to provide medical care. 1996 02:52:18,180 --> 02:52:18,620 Thank you. 1997 02:52:20,800 --> 02:52:21,980 Do you have any other questions? 1998 02:52:22,440 --> 02:52:23,300 We should do it. 1999 02:52:23,340 --> 02:52:23,520 Sorry. 2000 02:52:23,720 --> 02:52:24,140 It's your hand. 2001 02:52:24,220 --> 02:52:25,540 Through the chair. 2002 02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:27,440 To staff. 2003 02:52:30,120 --> 02:52:40,280 The hazard bill, BL and BG, the setbacks are very, very close 10-foot setbacks in that. 2004 02:52:40,580 --> 02:52:50,320 And in hazard bill, where there's availability to where these zones would bake are, lots of houses. 2005 02:52:50,320 --> 02:52:58,660 And now I'm a dog, I've had dogs, I had a dog that the vet called me and said, please come get your dog. 2006 02:52:59,440 --> 02:53:06,760 He was that loud. He never barked, never. He was a husky, but he had to go there. 2007 02:53:06,880 --> 02:53:14,660 He had to stay for a couple hours and when he came to, his hauling was so loud that the neighbors were complaining. 2008 02:53:15,740 --> 02:53:20,000 That's what I have a concern about, and hazard vell. 2009 02:53:20,680 --> 02:53:23,740 And you're saying there's no overnight, I heard that. 2010 02:53:24,320 --> 02:53:28,910 But there will be times when people will have to leave their animal for a couple of hours. 2011 02:53:29,480 --> 02:53:33,280 And I have currently have a neighbor who lets their dog out and bark. 2012 02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:35,760 And it's annoying. 2013 02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:41,140 So that is a concern, especially in the hazard vell district. 2014 02:53:41,140 --> 02:53:45,160 is the closeness of the houses in that area. 2015 02:53:51,120 --> 02:53:52,060 Any, dear. 2016 02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:56,520 And some canals are veterinarian offices. 2017 02:53:57,720 --> 02:54:00,620 I haven't really been the one where they keep the dogs outside, 2018 02:54:01,240 --> 02:54:04,560 so when the dogs, because she's absolutely right, 2019 02:54:04,580 --> 02:54:06,060 I have four dogs, by the way. 2020 02:54:06,660 --> 02:54:07,940 And they do bark when they're out there. 2021 02:54:08,340 --> 02:54:10,560 But so people are just pulling in. 2022 02:54:10,760 --> 02:54:13,840 Basically getting out of the car with the dogs going in your office. 2023 02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:18,040 You're going to treat them like a regular, and then they're gone. 2024 02:54:19,100 --> 02:54:19,500 That's correct. 2025 02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:21,060 This one done. 2026 02:54:21,060 --> 02:54:22,640 I wish inside. 2027 02:54:23,360 --> 02:54:24,740 And that's how bad he was. 2028 02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:26,780 I can sympathize. 2029 02:54:27,660 --> 02:54:29,260 I've worked with plenty of Husky's. 2030 02:54:30,500 --> 02:54:36,760 But what I will say is that actually veterinary architecture has come a very long way. 2031 02:54:37,700 --> 02:54:41,800 And over the years in trying to control sound and odor. 2032 02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:52,400 And we are working with a veterinary specific architectural firm to basically soundproof and maximize 2033 02:54:52,400 --> 02:55:00,480 odor control and ventilation so that we will be less disruptive to surrounding businesses or homes 2034 02:55:00,480 --> 02:55:07,420 specifically for that reason that is actually one of the modern goals of design in veterinary clinics, 2035 02:55:07,420 --> 02:55:11,340 Especially because we will probably be looking at building out and existing building. 2036 02:55:12,400 --> 02:55:14,840 You know, we want to make sure that that is top priority. 2037 02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:18,920 And the two that are not. 2038 02:55:18,940 --> 02:55:22,420 The two veterinary hospitals you have in Enfield are in strip malls. 2039 02:55:23,860 --> 02:55:24,140 Enfields not. 2040 02:55:24,140 --> 02:55:26,880 Enfields not. Sorry. One is fresh water is. 2041 02:55:28,620 --> 02:55:33,480 Directly, directly in a location where we, where they share walls. 2042 02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:40,480 So, well, fresh water is the one that would be brought into compliance with this. 2043 02:55:41,540 --> 02:55:44,660 Excuse me, I understand where that that is. 2044 02:55:45,140 --> 02:55:52,440 I have had animals go to that that, but the housing that I'm talking about because 2045 02:55:53,180 --> 02:55:54,220 hazard will. 2046 02:55:54,740 --> 02:56:03,080 These houses are very close together, especially in the areas that you're talking about. 2047 02:56:03,080 --> 02:56:09,580 That one area is strictly strip mall with a lot of medical buildings around 2048 02:56:09,580 --> 02:56:17,520 There's not a lot of houses close by, but I don't know if that would be the area that you're specifically talking about 2049 02:56:18,600 --> 02:56:26,020 Because that one's already grandfathered in excuse me. I'm sure integrations. I may I think I can probably shed some light on that 2050 02:56:26,020 --> 02:56:26,880 Almost like 2051 02:56:26,880 --> 02:56:31,720 70 to 80 percent of our retail uses are surrounded by subdivisions 2052 02:56:31,720 --> 02:56:33,520 So in the map amendment that you just approve, 2053 02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:34,920 completely surrounded by residential. 2054 02:56:35,860 --> 02:56:38,440 The other thing is, has your bill might be small, 2055 02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:42,920 but it also depends on what they would be building 2056 02:56:42,920 --> 02:56:43,540 if anything. 2057 02:56:43,700 --> 02:56:46,340 Right now you're just looking at text amendment for use. 2058 02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:49,040 That separates a less intensive use 2059 02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:52,680 than a much more intense use, like the clinics than whatnot. 2060 02:56:53,400 --> 02:56:56,580 So if you're not comfortable with the has a bill, 2061 02:56:57,820 --> 02:56:59,720 sections being a site plan review, 2062 02:56:59,720 --> 02:57:04,340 perhaps may be considering them as special permit instead. You can listen to the 2063 02:57:04,340 --> 02:57:09,740 publics and put about the hazard locations. I think I would be more comfortable with that 2064 02:57:10,580 --> 02:57:19,220 because of the proximity of the houses and the density of just because I've looked at the maps. 2065 02:57:20,480 --> 02:57:27,200 I don't know if the rest of the commissioners have those maps, but I have them and I see how close 2066 02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:29,580 the houses would be in those areas. 2067 02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:30,600 So, absolutely. 2068 02:57:30,980 --> 02:57:31,220 So, yeah. 2069 02:57:31,380 --> 02:57:32,140 So, of course. 2070 02:57:32,460 --> 02:57:32,980 Of course. 2071 02:57:33,140 --> 02:57:39,560 So, what you could do instead then is just take out those proposed BLHs, BGHs and instead 2072 02:57:39,560 --> 02:57:44,080 of an SPR, you could just make it a SP, that would make the commission more comfortable. 2073 02:57:44,180 --> 02:57:47,420 And I'm sure the public would appreciate that too in regards to location. 2074 02:57:48,020 --> 02:57:54,800 I also find the veterinary and architect specifics to be very fascinating because I'm sure 2075 02:57:54,800 --> 02:57:58,640 I'm not too familiar with the veterinarian field, but I'm sure I'm moving forward 2076 02:57:58,640 --> 02:58:03,580 to follow this new technology development that any proposed building that a vet, utilizing 2077 02:58:03,580 --> 02:58:09,340 this architecture, takes over when you utilize those sound odor, proving measures, but just 2078 02:58:09,340 --> 02:58:11,820 something to note. 2079 02:58:12,120 --> 02:58:13,900 And we certainly respect your concerns. 2080 02:58:15,160 --> 02:58:20,820 They are valid and we are definitely appreciate, we do not notice familiar with the hazard 2081 02:58:20,820 --> 02:58:24,180 bill specifics and we certainly appreciate those considerations. 2082 02:58:25,680 --> 02:58:32,200 So if I make a shot at this motion to approve, so it's my own mind here and maybe help 2083 02:58:32,200 --> 02:58:33,700 some of the commissioners. 2084 02:58:33,880 --> 02:58:36,100 So what you're recommending, George, is something like this? 2085 02:58:40,090 --> 02:58:40,950 I'm excuse me. 2086 02:58:41,490 --> 02:58:41,610 Okay. 2087 02:58:42,190 --> 02:58:43,950 So what you're recommending is something like this. 2088 02:58:44,210 --> 02:58:48,610 If we were to approve, the application of zoning regulation amendment to allow the use 2089 02:58:48,610 --> 02:58:54,810 veterinarian is a separate category in a BL zone in table 5 to 20. In addition, it would 2090 02:58:54,810 --> 02:58:59,510 be allowed in the BLH and BH zone, but by special use permit only. Correct. And it would 2091 02:58:59,510 --> 02:59:04,070 remain the way it is for business professional and by special permit. So the only site primary 2092 02:59:04,070 --> 02:59:11,170 view would be the BL zone. BLH and BGH and BGH and BGH and BGH and BGH and BL. Not regular 2093 02:59:11,170 --> 02:59:16,730 BL. No. Regular BL would be site primary view. That's correct. Yes. Okay. You got that, John? 2094 02:59:20,810 --> 02:59:26,870 BLH and BGA should be by special use permit only or not by on the FCA to work only. 2095 02:59:27,970 --> 02:59:32,450 Yeah and the BP which is currently allowed in is already a special permit. 2096 02:59:33,110 --> 02:59:44,850 You don't see too much vets going into the business professional zones but throughout and field and our plaza is we have a lot of split zone to locations more than we realize sometimes and one of the 2097 02:59:44,850 --> 02:59:51,430 malls is BG and BL so why not just make it both plus the benefits the public event field 2098 02:59:51,430 --> 02:59:54,970 for traveling distances and so you have an emergency during the day. 2099 03:00:06,500 --> 03:00:14,660 MPGH, MPL. Oh, you want to make all three of them? No, no, MPLH, MPLH, MPG, MPG, just the hazard bill. Just the 2100 03:00:14,660 --> 03:00:16,520 hazard bill stuff. Yes. Keep some happy. 2101 03:00:19,340 --> 03:00:22,360 Any other questions? So what kind of do let me not think for 2102 03:00:22,360 --> 03:00:26,500 all you people in the audience, is there anyone out there speak for against this? One, two, three times 2103 03:00:26,500 --> 03:00:33,300 done, done and on. That's actually the last time I have to do that, but I don't know. Any other 2104 03:00:33,300 --> 03:00:37,880 questions? Any questions here right now? We still have the one in residential area right in all of 2105 03:00:37,880 --> 03:00:42,920 the roads that like the only one we have. That's one of the two. Right. That's still functioning, 2106 03:00:43,240 --> 03:00:46,740 right? It is functioning in residential area. That's around one part time doctor. Not sure if 2107 03:00:46,740 --> 03:00:53,180 it's farmland. Yeah, I'm not sure if it's farmland there or the zone farm or zone. It's 2108 03:00:53,180 --> 03:00:57,620 owned industrial when I look at it. That's old industrial. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I'm back. Most 2109 03:00:57,620 --> 03:01:02,580 most of our vet places are not conforming but at least with this text amendment one of them gets close 2110 03:01:02,580 --> 03:01:06,760 Yeah, they'd be too, so they're just like a part-time now. 2111 03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:08,580 Yeah, they used to have three doctors. 2112 03:01:08,780 --> 03:01:10,640 They're down to one part-time doctor over there. 2113 03:01:10,760 --> 03:01:12,260 No wonder why my phone doesn't ring as much 2114 03:01:12,260 --> 03:01:13,960 because my phone number's very close to theirs. 2115 03:01:14,820 --> 03:01:15,900 My dog's second. 2116 03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:16,900 How you a wrong number? 2117 03:01:17,780 --> 03:01:18,860 All right, staff, have any more questions? 2118 03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:19,720 Thank you, sirs? 2119 03:01:19,800 --> 03:01:20,000 Nope. 2120 03:01:20,900 --> 03:01:21,620 It's pretty straight away. 2121 03:01:21,620 --> 03:01:23,500 I'm getting motion to close this public hearing. 2122 03:01:23,620 --> 03:01:23,900 It's good. 2123 03:01:24,560 --> 03:01:27,580 Motion made by Commissioner Vice Chairman Higley, seconded by Commissioner 2124 03:01:27,580 --> 03:01:30,280 Felensky to close this public hearing, all those in favor. 2125 03:01:30,280 --> 03:01:33,760 Seeing the five by saying I, it was unanimous to close the public hearing. 2126 03:01:34,660 --> 03:01:37,180 Mr. Secretary, whenever you're ready to make a motion to approve. 2127 03:01:38,140 --> 03:01:51,140 Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to approve public hearing number 3083 ZA application of a zoning regulation amendment to allow the use of veterinary and offices as a separate category. 2128 03:01:51,140 --> 03:02:06,140 and BL zone, and by special use permit, and the BLH and BGH zones in table 5.2.0, 2129 03:02:06,700 --> 03:02:14,980 possum vet care, PLLC, applicant, serodupri, row representative, subject to the certain 2130 03:02:14,980 --> 03:02:17,440 criteria limitations and application procedures. 2131 03:02:18,500 --> 03:02:19,080 Is there a second? 2132 03:02:20,060 --> 03:02:22,540 Seconded by Vice Chairman Heagley. Any discussion? 2133 03:02:24,420 --> 03:02:26,600 Seeing none, Mr. Secretary, whenever you're ready for a roll? 2134 03:02:27,100 --> 03:02:28,200 Yeah, a little Fiori. 2135 03:02:28,220 --> 03:02:29,520 Approved. Yes. 2136 03:02:29,960 --> 03:02:30,680 Linda the Gray. 2137 03:02:31,860 --> 03:02:32,560 For Jenny Higley. 2138 03:02:33,380 --> 03:02:34,120 For Francis Alimov. 2139 03:02:34,400 --> 03:02:36,100 For Joseph Mueley. 2140 03:02:37,100 --> 03:02:37,900 For Kenneth Alensky. 2141 03:02:38,060 --> 03:02:38,260 For. 2142 03:02:38,500 --> 03:02:40,080 And John Petrono was for. 2143 03:02:40,280 --> 03:02:43,140 The record show is unanimous approval for this use change. 2144 03:02:43,940 --> 03:02:44,460 And we're all set. 2145 03:02:45,580 --> 03:02:46,080 Thank you. 2146 03:02:46,080 --> 03:03:09,320 I would say effective January 1 it says okay all right January 1 no because they need to move I would say effective January 20 December 23rd 2147 03:03:09,320 --> 03:03:11,000 I heard, twenty twenty-four. 2148 03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:13,360 Twenty twenty twenty three two three. 2149 03:03:14,280 --> 03:03:15,500 All those are favour that. 2150 03:03:16,200 --> 03:03:17,760 Safety status tomorrow. 2151 03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:22,120 I need you guys to carry on so I can check the 2152 03:03:22,840 --> 03:03:23,120 carpet. 2153 03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:24,780 Make A Mr. 2154 03:03:25,500 --> 03:03:28,240 And tomorrowdays 22nd. 2155 03:03:29,020 --> 03:03:29,960 Okay so it's a next day. 2156 03:03:30,580 --> 03:03:32,060 Is it a gift staff chance to do all the 2157 03:03:32,060 --> 03:03:32,220 people? 2158 03:03:32,240 --> 03:03:32,480 pussy. 2159 03:03:33,000 --> 03:03:33,260 Happy, baby. 2160 03:03:33,260 --> 03:03:34,580 Okay, but not bing. 2161 03:03:40,040 --> 03:03:41,800 So, where are you going? 2162 03:03:42,360 --> 03:03:42,940 I don't plan. 2163 03:03:43,480 --> 03:03:44,720 Oh, you'll be right. 2164 03:03:45,360 --> 03:03:47,120 I think you're going to be a couple of blocks. 2165 03:03:47,540 --> 03:03:47,700 Yeah. 2166 03:03:47,860 --> 03:03:48,900 I was going to deal with Christ. 2167 03:03:49,000 --> 03:03:49,800 That's a good location. 2168 03:03:49,900 --> 03:03:51,240 Very close to Summers as well. 2169 03:03:51,540 --> 03:03:52,100 It's a great location. 2170 03:03:52,280 --> 03:03:55,700 I've been working with this applicant for about six months now. 2171 03:03:58,860 --> 03:04:00,700 Please, we all sit on Saturday. 2172 03:04:02,740 --> 03:04:03,860 If staff's okay. 2173 03:04:03,860 --> 03:04:08,860 Yeah. I put there's only a permanent hole. You're lucky ladies. 2174 03:04:09,900 --> 03:04:12,940 Yeah, that's a really good luck. Very close. Very close. 2175 03:04:14,040 --> 03:04:14,560 They're lucky. 2176 03:04:24,950 --> 03:04:27,430 Come on condition. You've got to serve me. 2177 03:04:27,430 --> 03:04:28,550 Well, it is very well. 2178 03:04:30,630 --> 03:04:34,690 All right. There's no old bit lately for staff here. 2179 03:04:37,610 --> 03:04:43,710 There's no old business, there's no new business, other business is staying on, just as 2180 03:04:43,710 --> 03:04:47,550 a filler for staff to get back with a new commission, is there any correspondence, 2181 03:04:50,500 --> 03:04:50,700 any 2182 03:04:50,700 --> 03:04:51,960 commissioners' correspondence? 2183 03:04:53,440 --> 03:04:54,020 Coach, are you late? 2184 03:04:54,840 --> 03:05:00,480 I just want to wish everybody happy holiday Merry Christmas and I'm very sad to see you 2185 03:05:00,480 --> 03:05:00,880 go, sir. 2186 03:05:01,340 --> 03:05:01,900 Thank you. 2187 03:05:02,640 --> 03:05:03,140 Thank you. 2188 03:05:03,180 --> 03:05:04,220 Appreciate anybody else? 2189 03:05:05,980 --> 03:05:16,900 I just want to acknowledge the fact that we're going to be losing three commissioners at the end of the year, including our Chairman, Mr. Commissioner Fiori. 2190 03:05:17,280 --> 03:05:22,940 Commissioner Fiori, thank you for your service here as Chairman of this August body. 2191 03:05:23,220 --> 03:05:26,160 I think you've done an excellent job over the last couple of years. 2192 03:05:27,220 --> 03:05:31,820 I'd also like to acknowledge Jenny Higley, who I've known for many years. 2193 03:05:31,820 --> 03:05:37,080 she's done a great job and we're going to miss her experience on this planning and zoning 2194 03:05:37,080 --> 03:05:43,360 commission. So thank you very much. And it also like the acknowledge Nicola Fakus. I didn't 2195 03:05:43,360 --> 03:05:50,860 know Mr. the Fakus before becoming a commissioner, but I appreciated his insight. It was professionalism. 2196 03:05:51,500 --> 03:05:56,660 And I thank him as well if he's listening. I wish him a lot of good luck as well. Thank you. 2197 03:05:57,060 --> 03:06:01,540 So I'd like to go next. I'd like to go next. I'd like to go next and Alex, I'd like to 2198 03:06:01,980 --> 03:06:06,420 Followed a camera to each person I call out instead of me could take the camera off of me if you don't mind 2199 03:06:06,420 --> 03:06:11,280 So I know Commissioner Lefakis is not here tonight, and I want to thank him. I know he's probably going to watch 2200 03:06:12,600 --> 03:06:19,360 Two years ago when our party one majority I contacted Mr. Lefakis about whether he wanted to climb a plane zoning 2201 03:06:19,360 --> 03:06:25,080 Mr. Lefakis 20 years experience is sitting on this board articulate and intelligent professional a lot of experience 2202 03:06:25,080 --> 03:06:31,800 He sat on here as a full-time member and after I talked with him he said he would come on as an alternate to help us 2203 03:06:31,820 --> 03:06:33,420 And I want to thank him very much. 2204 03:06:33,520 --> 03:06:34,460 I wish he was here tonight. 2205 03:06:35,260 --> 03:06:36,300 I enjoyed serving with him. 2206 03:06:36,900 --> 03:06:37,940 I really doubted that I was on a council. 2207 03:06:38,140 --> 03:06:39,120 I know Kenny too. 2208 03:06:39,440 --> 03:06:40,840 He was part of Plains, only back then. 2209 03:06:41,300 --> 03:06:42,040 So we're well aware. 2210 03:06:42,180 --> 03:06:43,720 And thank you, Nick, wherever you are. 2211 03:06:44,260 --> 03:06:46,840 Commissioner of the Antonio, I didn't know you from a holding wall. 2212 03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:52,300 Until you sat here, you have shown us an aptitude for these regulations. 2213 03:06:53,200 --> 03:06:57,360 You bring a whole different generation to this commission that we didn't have before. 2214 03:06:57,720 --> 03:07:00,040 And I know you're going to have a fine future as a commissioner. 2215 03:07:00,040 --> 03:07:05,200 It's not even going to a different board and I want to thank I got to know you well during the last two is done a great job 2216 03:07:05,200 --> 03:07:07,940 and I know you're going to continue to grow and do a great job with the next commission. 2217 03:07:08,380 --> 03:07:10,080 So I want to thank you. 2218 03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:15,240 Commissioner Hulinski, you and I go way back and people might not know this, but Ken was on the board of Edwin. 2219 03:07:15,240 --> 03:07:18,440 I was on the council and then Ken became chairman of the board of Edwin. 2220 03:07:18,440 --> 03:07:19,280 I was deputy mayor. 2221 03:07:19,380 --> 03:07:20,140 We were 10 in hand. 2222 03:07:20,900 --> 03:07:23,080 And then when I had to resign from the council for health reasons. 2223 03:07:23,140 --> 03:07:27,460 The first person I reached to would be interested in taking my place was Mr. Hulinski. 2224 03:07:27,460 --> 03:07:32,780 He went on to be Deputy Mayor, kind of I go way back and when Tony unfortunately passed away, 2225 03:07:32,980 --> 03:07:37,380 kind of I met at Tony's wake, and I indicated him in the willingness to come on this board, 2226 03:07:37,960 --> 03:07:41,480 and kind of I want to thank him as wonderful working with you again, and your professionalism, again, 2227 03:07:41,560 --> 03:07:45,700 your knowledge has been well overseed, and I couldn't have done it without you thank you. 2228 03:07:45,780 --> 03:07:49,880 Mr. Petronella, thank you. I didn't know you. I knew your family, but I didn't really know you. 2229 03:07:50,260 --> 03:07:54,460 We got to know each other well. I think work well together. I want to thank you again for 2230 03:07:55,140 --> 03:07:59,260 You know, volunteer and to be the secretary of Tony Pass, you've done a tremendous job. 2231 03:07:59,440 --> 03:08:02,500 The last two years doing that, and I'm just working with you, I know you're going to 2232 03:08:02,500 --> 03:08:06,160 do fine with the next commission too, and it's been wonderful working with you. 2233 03:08:06,400 --> 03:08:10,900 Jenny, when I do a lot of things outside of this too, I want to thank you. 2234 03:08:11,120 --> 03:08:14,660 Your support as Vice Chair has been tremendous to me. 2235 03:08:14,960 --> 03:08:19,640 People don't know, I do the only person I talk to as Jenny, we go through the agenda. 2236 03:08:20,240 --> 03:08:24,020 Before the meeting, just in case something happens to me, so she can fill in. 2237 03:08:24,020 --> 03:08:29,400 her support and her knowledge has been trance and I thank you for working with the last two years and I'm sorry you didn't get 2238 03:08:29,400 --> 03:08:30,040 reappointing. 2239 03:08:30,260 --> 03:08:31,300 Thank you. 2240 03:08:32,140 --> 03:08:37,260 I know our paths across before and not in this level, but you've been wonderful to work with. 2241 03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:42,160 I know what kinds of our views are different because we've come from two different political parties 2242 03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:44,520 and I know this is not supposed to be political commission, but you know that's why you're 2243 03:08:44,520 --> 03:08:45,040 in parties. 2244 03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:49,060 But you've been great to work with, you're knowledge and having to use the other vice chair 2245 03:08:49,060 --> 03:08:53,540 filling in a secretary has been very thankful, I really enjoyed working with you. 2246 03:08:53,540 --> 03:08:56,100 So thank you very much, and I know you're going to do well. 2247 03:08:56,580 --> 03:09:00,540 Frank, people play not know this, and I don't mind sharing us our family's go back 2248 03:09:00,540 --> 03:09:02,280 probably over a thousand years. 2249 03:09:03,620 --> 03:09:03,640 Right? 2250 03:09:03,820 --> 03:09:04,640 Probably longer. 2251 03:09:05,620 --> 03:09:05,860 That's right. 2252 03:09:05,880 --> 03:09:10,520 My uncle was one of your brothers, Godfather's, and I'm old in a new, but I remember you and 2253 03:09:10,520 --> 03:09:14,120 you were a little of a guy, a group of brothers, more than a new Frank, but I enjoyed 2254 03:09:14,120 --> 03:09:14,760 we sparred. 2255 03:09:15,040 --> 03:09:15,480 And that's fine. 2256 03:09:15,480 --> 03:09:16,400 Good spars, good thing. 2257 03:09:16,480 --> 03:09:16,700 But it is. 2258 03:09:16,700 --> 03:09:17,280 It's a good thing. 2259 03:09:17,440 --> 03:09:20,380 As long as you can be respectful and friendship after shake hands. 2260 03:09:20,380 --> 03:09:20,880 Shake hands. 2261 03:09:21,120 --> 03:09:22,400 That's the problem with the world today. 2262 03:09:22,400 --> 03:09:25,680 And if we say something wrongly to apologize afterwards, that's the way it should be. 2263 03:09:25,700 --> 03:09:29,260 What I want to add is no one probably watched your back more than I did. 2264 03:09:29,620 --> 03:09:30,440 I want you to know that. 2265 03:09:30,440 --> 03:09:30,840 Thank you. 2266 03:09:31,140 --> 03:09:32,620 And I know you didn't do well going forward. 2267 03:09:32,860 --> 03:09:33,340 Thank you. 2268 03:09:33,380 --> 03:09:35,820 Joe was really nice sitting in the last two, three months or two. 2269 03:09:36,820 --> 03:09:38,100 We're not going to get a chance to sit more right? 2270 03:09:38,100 --> 03:09:39,000 No, you're going to do well. 2271 03:09:39,180 --> 03:09:40,060 You've show me some stuff. 2272 03:09:40,080 --> 03:09:41,480 I know you're going to do well in the next commission. 2273 03:09:41,920 --> 03:09:43,780 You seem to have an attitude for it in an understanding. 2274 03:09:45,360 --> 03:09:46,860 And you know, good luck going forward. 2275 03:09:47,160 --> 03:09:48,380 And thank you for the last couple of months. 2276 03:09:48,380 --> 03:09:52,580 It's been a long time. I've actually learned quite a bit and I've watched over here. It's been an honor. 2277 03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:56,040 Yeah, it's going to even learn more. You're going to learn a lot more. It's a lot more to learn. 2278 03:09:57,660 --> 03:10:04,640 If any, you know, I do have something to say, you know, basically I wish you had stopped coming. 2279 03:10:05,500 --> 03:10:12,900 I did reach out to you numerous times. I do want to mention this is not personally against you, but I have to mention something 2280 03:10:12,900 --> 03:10:17,940 because Councilman Nelson brought up the council meeting, which is totally from my standpoint, 2281 03:10:18,100 --> 03:10:20,060 the Ronus has nothing to do with you personally. 2282 03:10:20,640 --> 03:10:23,100 So I know why you need to take this as a personal counter towards you. 2283 03:10:23,460 --> 03:10:30,140 But Councilman Nelson indicated an council on TV that you stopped coming because I stopped you from hitting 2284 03:10:30,140 --> 03:10:33,660 sitting on the Felician Sisters application, and that is a Ronus. 2285 03:10:34,560 --> 03:10:37,380 You did the right thing by recusing yourself from that application. 2286 03:10:37,920 --> 03:10:42,400 That was also the advice from our local staff, our town attorney, and from staff. 2287 03:10:42,400 --> 03:10:44,980 And the applicant themselves asked you to recuse. 2288 03:10:45,200 --> 03:10:46,180 It wasn't this chairman. 2289 03:10:46,600 --> 03:10:47,280 I did agree with them. 2290 03:10:47,340 --> 03:10:50,420 I thought it was in the best interest in this commission for the integrity of all of us 2291 03:10:50,420 --> 03:10:54,500 because I'm really important about the integrity of each one of our commissioners. 2292 03:10:54,560 --> 03:10:55,360 You did do the right thing. 2293 03:10:55,400 --> 03:10:57,780 You did recuse yourself and I want to thank you for that. 2294 03:10:57,820 --> 03:10:58,980 And I want to thank staff. 2295 03:11:02,200 --> 03:11:04,320 You know, I don't know if you know how, not I'm not going to. 2296 03:11:04,400 --> 03:11:04,840 I never cry. 2297 03:11:05,080 --> 03:11:06,040 I never cry. 2298 03:11:06,520 --> 03:11:07,880 We do work closely together. 2299 03:11:08,480 --> 03:11:10,500 I do want, I think some of you guys really know that. 2300 03:11:10,700 --> 03:11:13,600 We have worked closely together last two years because I'm in here. 2301 03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:19,120 So you've had that advantage of having your chairman in the building where we've been able to 2302 03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:22,800 and I've been able to dissect some things and with the agenda and things coming up. 2303 03:11:23,820 --> 03:11:27,540 It's been wonderful. I hope I've been a help. I know you've been a help to me and I'm 2304 03:11:27,540 --> 03:11:31,880 miss working with you, but I want to thank you all. So having said that, I'd like to entertain. 2305 03:11:32,420 --> 03:11:37,280 Do you have anything else you want to add? I just want to say I really appreciate you taking the time 2306 03:11:37,280 --> 03:11:45,360 to discuss things with staff and just being there as like a chair should and just being supportive 2307 03:11:45,360 --> 03:11:48,820 and just conducting great meetings overall. 2308 03:11:49,080 --> 03:11:50,200 So thank you for your service. 2309 03:11:50,460 --> 03:11:51,420 Thank you. 2310 03:11:51,660 --> 03:11:51,980 Thank you. 2311 03:11:52,360 --> 03:11:58,580 And I did know that all of that, it's been an honor and a great learning experience because 2312 03:11:58,580 --> 03:12:04,660 you've brought great insight to me and staff as to the history of and field that certainly 2313 03:12:04,660 --> 03:12:07,100 plays into how we plan. 2314 03:12:07,480 --> 03:12:07,840 Yeah, sure. 2315 03:12:08,040 --> 03:12:08,580 Thank you. 2316 03:12:09,000 --> 03:12:12,460 I would like to add, and I'm looking this way, because I know how it works. 2317 03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:20,020 Whoever is going to be the next chair from your contingent, please continue, like, I 2318 03:12:20,020 --> 03:12:21,060 met with them weekly. 2319 03:12:21,840 --> 03:12:26,100 You don't have to do that, but at least on a monthly basis, I think that it was so beneficial. 2320 03:12:27,220 --> 03:12:31,200 And we're not talking about conducting business behind closed doors, just informative talking 2321 03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:35,180 about the agenda instead of just getting it in email and just keeping staff abreast of things. 2322 03:12:35,380 --> 03:12:38,440 Whoever's going to be the chair, I highly recommend you continue and I think it was 2323 03:12:38,440 --> 03:12:42,320 very beneficial with that continuing. It has been very nice to have a chair and person 2324 03:12:42,320 --> 03:12:46,480 go over the agenda. Yeah, thank you. Absolutely. So if you guys have anything else you want to 2325 03:12:46,480 --> 03:12:52,280 add tonight for me to go home? Yeah, for. Um, does this receipt of applications? Okay. Let's go. 2326 03:12:53,140 --> 03:13:00,640 So public hearing, 384, Gary World, Nissan, expansion of outdoor display at six park and 809, 2327 03:13:00,640 --> 03:13:10,900 field street and 385 grades at Flood of Club 98-106 Pro Street. And again, thank you all. 2328 03:13:10,900 --> 03:13:14,120 It's a great second to the race club on Pro Street. 2329 03:13:16,180 --> 03:13:18,120 I thought they were going to tour on Mondays. 2330 03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:19,740 Thanks have changed. 2331 03:13:20,200 --> 03:13:22,000 They're going to tour with you. 2332 03:13:22,120 --> 03:13:23,360 They're going to tour with you. 2333 03:13:23,360 --> 03:13:25,020 You know I used to live there. 2334 03:13:25,780 --> 03:13:26,780 They're going to be hungry. 2335 03:13:28,540 --> 03:13:32,180 That brings back 45, 50, 60 years of memories. 2336 03:13:32,880 --> 03:13:33,000 All right. 2337 03:13:33,280 --> 03:13:34,580 I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. 2338 03:13:34,580 --> 03:13:35,100 So moved. 2339 03:13:35,180 --> 03:13:38,500 Motion made by Vice Chairman Higley, Second Life Vice Chairman of Greater would adjourn 2340 03:13:38,500 --> 03:13:39,520 this playing his own commission. 2341 03:13:40,320 --> 03:13:43,020 I can't, is it nine, 45, nine, 45. 2342 03:13:43,360 --> 03:13:44,300 Thank you very much, everybody. 2343 03:13:44,480 --> 03:13:47,280 Merry Christmas and happy new year to everybody in that field. 2344 03:13:47,360 --> 03:13:47,880 Goodnight now.