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They're trying to, well, they have to go through a series of getting

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started there already. All right, welcome to our in the city council meeting. September 16th, 2026. It's 6 p.m., where it like it's 602.

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And let's start with the pledge of allegiance who wants the latest and the pledge of allegiance can be. Oh, Deborah's got it.

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Please follow me.

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I have a question.

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Let the allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which

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it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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And we've set aside a couple minutes for an invocation.

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There's not too many people in the audience, but anybody in the audience want to participate.

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Okay, I'll say the prayer.

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I don't really feel all that we're grateful for the opportunity we have to be here this

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evening to discuss the business of Enic City.

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We pray that the spirit and the guidance will be with us as we discuss and as we look

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at making decisions that that would guide us and always making good decisions.

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We're grateful for this area that we live in and how wonderful it is for the freedoms

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that we enjoy.

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We're grateful for thy spirit that guides us every day and pray that that would continue

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to lead us and direct us in our actions.

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Bless us all that we will be safe and protect this area that we will be watched over and

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blessed.

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We pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

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Perfect.

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I do.

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Did we?

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Bring it next time.

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So, I really enjoyed the Utah One Summit and one of the things that stuck out to me was how

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How do you create a culture?

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You take pride in the work you do, you look for ways to inspire and reward, you listen,

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you communicate, and know your team's worth ethic, get buy-in, and give opportunities

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to get buy-in.

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And then, but as you're creating a culture, I like what?

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I think it was Mindy Benson, who said, as you innovate, always look at how you can keep

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your uniqueness unique, and I like that.

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because there's always a way to innovate and get better, but don't lose what makes you unique.

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All right, thank you.

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All right. Has everybody had a chance to look over the agenda for tonight?

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I'll make a motion to approve the agenda for September 16th, 2026.

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Second.

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We've got a motion in the second, all in favor? Aye.

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Any opposed? Thanks. Then I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes for September 2nd, 2026.

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Make a motion to approve the minutes for the meeting held September 2, 2026.

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Second.

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Got a motion in a second. Any more conversation about the minutes?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Thank you.

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Oh, and is this a meeting we're ratifying expenditures?

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Oh, send it out in an email too.

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I don't know if anyone has had a chance to look at that.

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but I've been so do that you're going to get yeah that's what I figured okay so that can go around

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I don't know if there's any conversation on that nationally not here so if there is we might

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want to just push that to next meeting but if we're all good we'll pass it around so all right

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are there any conflict of interest that need to be disclosed for the agenda tonight

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seeing none

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will open up our public comments section. There are a couple of public hearings, so if you have

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anything that you want to discuss, it would be an item that there's a public hearing for.

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I'd appreciate if you wait for those public hearings and discuss it in that line item.

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But other than that, the time is now open for public comments.

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How long should we wait a while?

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Well, let's see, Justin's not necessarily public, so he can't make a public comment.

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But, Justin's right about a cookie, since I figured, yeah, that's a cookie.

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Terrible.

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I haven't had a cookie.

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You're going to have a long, dirty thing, and call with them, so I don't know if they need

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That's good.

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Well, and I guess I'll make, well, this isn't time for this, but I'll just say those cookies

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These are from Bout Bakery, so and they are open, they have their grant opening this week.

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And anyways, the cookies are great, have one, and go support our local businesses.

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All right, let's move on to item number three.

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I'll make a motion to open a public, close our regular meeting and open a public hearing

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regarding a sales tax revenue bond.

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We've got a motion in the second, any more conversation on that?

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All in favor?

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All right, we are now in a public hearing for the sales tax revenue bond.

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This could be a fun meeting.

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I'm going to sit around and wait for a third.

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If there is no comment, is there anybody online?

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doesn't look like there's anybody.

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Hearing and seeing none, I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to our

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regular city council meeting.

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I've got a motion to second all in favor.

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Item number four, like a motion to close our regular meeting and go into public hearing regarding the CIB funding projects.

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I got a motion in the second all in favor. Aye. Any opposed?

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We're now in a public hearing for the CIB funding projects.

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This is more so a requirement for CIB now. They've kind of changed the way we go about this.

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So they want us to have a public hearing and a discussion on any of these projects. So we sent we sent all of them out,

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but this is really just for the next next year's cycle just so we can put in for those.

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So I like the list, all good projects.

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You know, we're not going for all of them right now. I think total it was about $68 million.

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So we're not going for all of them, but it just helps us to be eligible for them.

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So paying them, worth paying them to help us fund these projects.

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I understand this.

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So CIB is Community Impact Board, so it's through this state,

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But it's just different loans and grants that we can go for.

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We're not paying anything into it.

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If we're awarded a loan, obviously we can discuss that.

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But yeah, low interest loans to help with community impact funding.

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I believe it's for, it's money that we get for public lands in Utah.

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Well, for like the basin provides most of these funds that we get for

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with minor rights and everything like that.

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So I think that's a good for our citizens to know exactly yep. Yeah. Yeah. We're not we're not paying for anything. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you later what I know. I'll

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Yeah, I'll make a motion hearing no public comment other public comment. I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to our regular city council meeting.

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Second we've got a motion to second all in favor aye any opposed all right item number five

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Make a motion to close our regular meeting go into public hearing to implement a $1 fee for residents who want a paper utility bill

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We've got a motion in a second all in favor aye any opposed

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All right, we are now in a public hearing for the implementation of a $1 fee for residents who want a paper utility bill

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All right.

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But on this one, Jonathan Wilson, 488-3 North Albert Drive is a question for Justin actually.

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Is there anything in the law that says that a municipality can't arbitrarily change

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the fee structure to accomplish something they want to do?

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do you mean by arbitrarily?

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So I was here for when they worked through a number of different steps to try and subsidize

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the sending out of the paper billing.

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And my understanding was that they'd accomplished the funding for the paper billing and the proposal

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here is to tack on additional $1 fee to that which my understanding, at least from what

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I've heard, is the motivation is largely they don't want to send out paper billing.

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not that it hasn't.

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I think that's the case.

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I think $1 bill.

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You guys correct me from wrong.

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It is.

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I don't think that's a case.

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As I understand it, and I may be wrong,

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and you guys need to correct this,

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but the $1 is,

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it costs you X amount of money for the postage,

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and it takes you X amount of money for the paper,

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and it costs you X amount,

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and that's an estimated $1.

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I think that the stamp itself is 70 cents.

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I remember when it was 25 cents, I just don't remember anything that was broken costs and

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provided the justification.

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If that's the justification and that's why understanding is that was to make up for that.

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Those that want to go pay for this now, it saves them all of that money because they get it and then the city's nuts.

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So those don't lump paper for their records. So if I'm a business, I'm probably going to pay that extra buck because I want that paper to trace to put in my file. I guess I can copy off my email, but I want that bill to put in my file. So when I write off my money, the IRS audits me, I've got it. But if I'm just your blow, I probably want to email set myself a buck, but it's just the city is not subsidizing the city is actually getting.

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paid for what it is. So if that's the purpose of it, it's not arbitrary. That's why I was trying to figure out the word arbitrary.

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Well, the arbitrary is if you've got the justification that it is to take care of costs that are increasing, you've got a justification for it.

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If the reason of putting in the $1 fee is you're tired of looking the stamps and filling the envelopes, that's not a cost-based.

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That's we don't want to do this anymore. We don't want. Well, there's there's even a cost of the labor. So there's there's a cost of that too. And right now all of the citizens are subsidizing those that get a paper bill.

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They're paying more. So you can look at it that way.

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And so and and you could also look at it away as you know, we are answering these questions to give you an opportunity to do.

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Yeah, for the evidence to testify. Yeah. Well, the postage itself is

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Accept a huge huge amount of that and

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emailing out the bill cost nothing

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And so the envelope and the paper it's printed on probably cost all to with posters all to get a more than the dollar

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So we are you got this to aim and then the time or labor

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We're, you know, associated with that.

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We, we get a lot of calls to if you have,

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I was just telling the mayor this yesterday,

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if you get bored, you ought to come and sit on,

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shut off, notice day with, with, uh,

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Lindsey and Carrie and these guys,

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because that's, that's basically their whole day is.

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And most of it is, well, it got lost in the mail.

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I never got it.

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I don't, you know what I mean?

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So there's, we're trying to be more efficient

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with, with that stuff as well.

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But yeah, if we, if we, if we just didn't want to do it anymore,

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I think we would just say we don't,

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we're not offering this service anymore.

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I don't think we would, we would try to do this way.

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So as an option of should we just stop doing paper lists, all the like all to tape paper

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all together and we were like no, because there's still residents who want it, but.

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Well, and there's residents that don't have an email or something.

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So we talked about that as the potential of offering a waiver of that fee if they came in

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and prove, you know, Davis reason that they don't have an email or whatever way to receive

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I will say this too, in talking with Carrie and Mindy and Lindsey who do 99% of this,

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they are very concerned that this looks like we're trying to say don't come into the office anymore,

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we don't want to, because for some of these people, this is their only social outing that they get,

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is they come into the office, which we, it's a party here, so I don't blame them.

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Our thing is we don't want this to come across as we're trying to push people away or say don't come in anymore. This is just to try to cover some of those costs. Like I said, stamps, I think we're about 70 cents. We've got the paper, we've got to print them on. We've got the envelope, we've got the time that these people have to stuff them and put them together. But we've got a waiver as well, like they were saying that these guys have all said they'd be more willing to help anyone fill out. It's going to be pretty simple, but again, we're just trying to recover.

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some of those costs. Well, you got to save on the medical cash, you know, paper cuts.

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Yeah. That's your right. And the one on your tongue is uncomfortable. Yeah.

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When you're licking the envelope, oh,

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when you have to say hydrated, so we got to get you water to.

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Sorry, that should, I shouldn't have said that. Because it was a very good question.

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Okay. I'm not aware of that. I'm still in a public hearing. And I don't know if there's

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Does anybody online that has any comments about this?

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If there are no comments, I'm mostly ready to move back

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for everybody to see Council.

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Second.

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We've got a motion to second.

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All in favor?

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Any posed?

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Item number six.

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Consider resolution number.

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Oh.

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That's.

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No, that's.

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That.

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No, we're good.

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No, this is the one we're doing right now.

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That same one.

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Now is.

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Yeah.

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But item number six, consider resolution number 2026-

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the R9-16-a, a resolution of many of the Enix city fee schedule,

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adding a fee for a paper utility bill.

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Another thing too, we've talked about, if we don't want to do a $1 fee, is we could also do a,

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we offer a $5 credit if you do go paperless and in doing that.

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We talk about maybe instead of looking like a punishment if there's some way we could maybe insist.

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If we do offer that now, we offer a $5, yeah, it's a one time one time, yeah, I was like,

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that's a big, yeah, it's a one time, it's a one time, but if we did want to say we'll give you

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a credit instead of doing that, but then again, we're incentivizing more to go online with that

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instead of, you know, carrot and stick, but yeah, I think it's fine to incentivize but also recover

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for some of our costs, not all of them, but some of our costs, and I like the waiver

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was bad.

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I thought, because we have people putting in advertisements in the newsletter that

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that was part of recouping those particular money.

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Are we getting...

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We charge for that.

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Do we get many that are advertising on the newsletter?

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Any given month that's from six advertisements, I have like two or three coming this next month so in their $10 a month.

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$10 a month.

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But yeah, I don't know how many letters are we mailing out?

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So Carrie said we send out about 2,000 bills every month.

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I don't know how many of them were paper.

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So we don't know.

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We don't know.

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Yeah, but in total it's about 2000 go out so.

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Well, you can request.

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You request it and they will send you because they want in their hand.

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Request paper.

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Yes, they request paper and the city does it without charging a fee.

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And they don't have to go on saying because I'm old and decrepit.

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So what, right? Well, you were suggesting that that would be a whole different thing.

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I don't know. Maybe we could, I don't know if we could vote on that this way, but saying something that like if you like, I don't, I don't know that to do that we have to eliminate the paper altogether and then go back to seeing who would request.

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Well, no, I was saying that if we, if we give them a credit off of their bill, like we say, you get a dollar off your bill every month.

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but if you don't have us print it, or something like that.

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So it's more of a positive-

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It seems like a reward instead of a-

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Yeah, a reward instead of a-

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And really, it's 12 bucks over the whole year.

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You know, like it's not a huge amount,

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but it would help every-

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Well, 12 times just $2000, that's that up.

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Yeah, right.

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You could do both.

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You could say your bill is $15, it's 16.

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If we do wireless, it's 14 a month.

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if you do, and that probably covers more of your mainly costs accurately.

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Penalizing the people that do not have access to the internet, nor do they know, and they

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don't want it to come immediately out of them.

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So let me ask you a question, is it inelizing someone if they're actually paying the costs

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or the actual cost of service for that person?

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And so if you reduce a buy a dollar those people are already paying something for that they're paying for their internet access every month and there's a cost to them to do that.

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For those that you have a bill is $15 for those that are not getting that they're not paying that extra money to have the internet access that affords us the bill to give them that opportunity and we are charging them for the actual cost.

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That's incurred by the city staff by the city to actually give them a paper bill if someone

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True that's just not you know and if someone truly didn't have like internet or means of doing that this like said

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We're trying to make the waiver as simple as possible. So they can they can come in and get that wave

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I think not having internet not wanting to come direct out of your bank account

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Say, you know, we those are those would be justified reason. So we would be willing to work with people at those situations

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You have it online. You don't have to set up an automatic payment. You can just have it emailed

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to you and then you check your email and then you pay it. Yeah, you still just go pay it.

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Yeah, you still get to fill in your email and you, yeah, you just have to check your email.

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It's a mail chair.

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So that was the issue. Yeah, and again, if someone didn't have an email,

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we'd be willing to talk about a minority of people don't have emails anymore.

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I mean, you can't even go to Ellen about an email at this point.

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I know someone that doesn't have a computer, but they have a phone, so they still have an email.

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And with the rising cost and gas, stamps are going to go up, paper costs go up.

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Everything goes up. Employees cost more.

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It's just one of those things that goes with, hey, this is something that we did.

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but in order to save our entire residence, this is a way, but we can also invest on a waiver.

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I don't see it as a penalty. I see it as someone covering the cost of what they're getting, so that's the way I look at it.

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I like the incentive too, so we could amend the fee schedule and say we want to give everyone a dollar off if they are electronic.

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like instead of charging people dollar fee for the paper, but we need to table it so Ashley

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can run numbers.

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Well, can we afford to drop everybody's utility bill of dollar?

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I mean, we've raised garbage collection fee by $2 before it, to be able to afford it.

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So yeah, I don't know if you can or not.

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I mean, that's probably 15,000 a month.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't know that we can.

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We'd have to raise the fee everybody's fee by a dollar and then give everybody an instant

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and then give everyone a dollar.

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Which that kind of happens, that happens all the time, but that's it.

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So if you have a bookie stat or someone's e is like fine, you can add your dollar.

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Well, and I'm fine with the waiver, too.

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I mean, if we did this and then had a waiver,

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and if someone truly couldn't afford it,

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great, we'll do it for free,

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but hopefully encourage people to go electronic

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if they have the ability to do that.

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And they would be paying for this service.

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They're not being penalized.

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They're just paying for what we're having to provide.

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So, let me, let me wrap my head around this. So, right now, if they can't, if they set up to do all in line, they're going to get a $5 credit.

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One time.

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For the first time. So, if you have $5, just already.

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So, maybe we just need to promote that.

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And that's, that's already ends. We don't have to do anything.

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Right. Yeah. So, we just may need to promote that a little bit of, there is an incentive already to do this.

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It's a one-time $5 bonus.

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Yes, whatever credit it involves.

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That's the beginning.

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Yeah.

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So, again, I don't know as that's a penalty.

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If a person, I just say that if a person is actually paying the cost of giving that service,

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it's not a penalty.

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It's the cost of getting that service.

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It's just like, sorry, it's just like when you pay over the phone, it's a convenience fee of $3.

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But if you come into the office, it's zero dollars.

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It's a convenience fee of having that bill delivered to your house.

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The way you want.

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And it's directly related to what the city has to pay.

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It's not just for our convenience, it's what the city has to pay that three, that three percent.

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See, I get after my kids all the time because they use whatever it is that shows up at the door with door dash.

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just peels me off boy something off that they spend their money and not you know and my kids are

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like dad if I get in my truck and go down there and get it it's it's an extra 10 percent but it

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would cost me well and kids said it would cost me more to drive my diesel truck down there and get food

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then it is that somebody brings it and and charges me an extra 10, you know, 10% or 10

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bucks or whatever it is. I still don't buy it, but, you know, there is that convenience

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for you. You're talking about, still

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ricks me to no end though.

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Well, diesel is not cheap. So, you were sad. If you were sad, it's a lighter car than it's a

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If we try to pay and I shouldn't even be saying anything because this really not my decision at all it's not legal decision

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so I should shut up but if I say that I want to carry my own weight and I carry I pay exactly what I incur upon the system.

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And if that's what you incur upon the system then I don't think it's a penalty but.

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But we've been incurring upon the system since the city was organized.

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And that was part of the city of working with its citizens.

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So, no, and I'm saying it's different climate.

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At one time, you paid for doing it electronically.

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Coin paper list, you paid a fee for that.

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So it's just like an interesting switch.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's not there.

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But all directly related to what the city has to pay.

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That's the city has to pay more for postage.

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And electronic means is practically nothing now.

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So it is, you know, I agree that it is not a entity.

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It is, it's directly passing on our cost to those that are using the service.

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But I do want to be sensitive to people who that affects adversely.

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So I'm great with the waiver option.

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If you want to give us a, this will take effect on this day too.

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We can do that and give us some time to get this information out too.

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It's in 30 days.

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And if we do, yeah, if we did give it some time so that people could take advantage of

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the $5 credit and go electronic and not incur the dollar fee, I think that that would be great.

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That would also give some of them the opportunity event.

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We will also give some of them the opportunity event to come in and say we don't have that

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that access or that's not what?

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Yeah, and they could do the waiver before they're ever charged the dollar.

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That's true.

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So I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-9-16A,

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a resolution amending this in the city fee schedule, adding a fee for a paper utility bill

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to take effect December 1st, 2026.

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Second.

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We've got a motion in a second.

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Any more conversation on this item?

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I need to get my stuff in order here.

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I do think the only sad thing about this is that you lose the paper newsletter, which saves us time and money, but I think that is really great advertising. I do have to say that.

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They'll still get it electronically.

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They'll still get a digital one.

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I'm just worried that you won't be as effective with your newsletter.

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I don't think that's the other part.

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I don't think.

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All right, we have a motion in a second.

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This is a roll call vote.

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Sean Storr.

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David Harris.

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Yeah.

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Deborah Lay.

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Hey.

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Kimberly Trauer.

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Yeah.

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And Jacob's not online right.

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So, Jacob today.

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I think he's catching fish.

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Yeah.

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He's fishing.

390
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No.

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No, and send Diego.

392
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Yeah.

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No, it wasn't blue, it wasn't yellow fit, it wasn't blue, I don't know, anyways.

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All right, thank you for that, motion carries.

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All right, item number seven.

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Make a motion to close our regular meeting and open a public hearing to amend the Inx City

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ordinances section 13.1000.1083 public nuisances and add section 13.300.331, disturbing the piece.

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We've got a motion in a second, all in favor?

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Aye.

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We are now in a public hearing.

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For the nuisance and disturbing the peace.

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Seeing no public rushing forth, I will make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to a regular city council meeting. I've got a motion to second all in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Item number eight, consider ordinance number 2026-09-16-a, an ordinance to amend enix city ordinances section 13.1,000.

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1.1083 public nuisance and add section 13.300.331, disturbing the piece.

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So you'll remember with this, if we just a little background with it, we just don't

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have right now disturbing the pieces after 10 p.m. and before 7 a.m. We were kind of in

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between a rock and a hard place just on some of these bigger projects coming in that I think

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we discussed.

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What was it?

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So there will be times when someone has to do work outside those 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. hours.

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What this does is it just gives us a process that they have to go through to do that.

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Basically, you have to submit your stuff to myself and chief and Lynn.

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I specifically put their names in there so no, I'm just kidding.

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It would be myself, the building official and the chief of police.

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You have to go give notices to your neighbors.

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Chief had some edits that he want to include in their two chiefs.

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If you want to kind of break those down a little more, come explain those a little bit.

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But basically the way it's written right now is that they have to prove that they submitted

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or that they went to their neighbors within 300 feet.

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We just require them to notify the neighbors in 300 feet that on such a state, we're going

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to be doing this.

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It's outside this time.

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Chief just had some great edits about, you know, we can't go verify.

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But just in some ways, maybe instead of, you know, the police have to go knock on every door within 300 feet to make sure they got

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That notice that it kind of takes out takes out of their hands and puts it more on the applicant to make sure that gets done

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Chief was there anything else on that when you wanted the updates. No, it already been out

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We'll just when they when they make the motion we can include those changes too. So yeah, I think I think just

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I think that it just created an extra burden on the city to where it's like, okay, if we're

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requiring you to go to every single door within 300 feet, like, where's that burden, right?

429
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Are we going to double-check that?

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Are we going to make sure that you literally did get every, and so I just felt like it created

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this extra burden.

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And so it was more kind of just, we want to make, we want to say, hey, here's the standard

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and that we want them to say to do their due diligence, right?

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But ultimately the responsibility for the work and the noticing is on them, not on us, right?

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And so I just kind of cleaned up a few things and then just kind of changed a little bit of

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the language just to mirror what it is in state code so that we're kind of consistent with

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their language and our definitions and stuff. So nothing like real major, but so

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citizens, if they were complaining, you would know if they had notified them or not.

439
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Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I mean, there we would investigate and know if they did or not. But if,

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you know, obviously, if they say, hey, here's the standard. And within 300 feet, we've notified

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everybody. I think that we, to a degree, take that at face value. I guess, really, it's like, do

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00:33:53,990 --> 00:34:07,290
you guys want us spending time going door-to-door as well as law enforcement and saying, did you get a notice 24 hours before you know what I mean?

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I think that was the burden that it was creating on us and I felt like it was a little bit what's their motive? Notifying so it could be a

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So that was more like it kind of referenced agrarian and agricultural activities and so

445
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:39,330
I just kind of made the verbiage the same because there's already allowances for people

446
00:34:39,330 --> 00:34:45,810
that engage in agriculture right and so I was just making sure that the way that that's

447
00:34:45,810 --> 00:34:49,830
coined on a state level is the same verbiage that we're using in our ordinance.

448
00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:56,490
One of the questions I have about that is, I don't want to be not sensitive, but what

449
00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:59,030
good is the noticing actually do for someone?

450
00:35:00,470 --> 00:35:04,550
And I almost feel like if we adopt this, that's the notice.

451
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:13,290
But I have to understand, if I have my homeowner, the reason I added the agriculture stuff in

452
00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:19,290
there is because there's a seminal case, years and years and years ago, who went for the

453
00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:23,110
Supreme Court is South Dakota, and there was a gravel pit, and they were mining in the

454
00:35:23,110 --> 00:35:27,430
gravel pit, and then the guy developed his property next door, and a bunch of houses

455
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:30,830
went in there, and then they didn't like all the dust from the gravel pit.

456
00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:34,310
And basically the United States Supreme Court said, you came to the nuisance.

457
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:40,210
You can't sit there and say, now that we're here, shut down the gravel pit.

458
00:35:40,510 --> 00:35:43,630
And it was against the state because it was a state-run gravel pit.

459
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:46,950
So the same thing here, you come to the nuisance.

460
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:52,930
you got agricultural community and that's what you are and you got agriculture all around you and

461
00:35:52,930 --> 00:35:58,750
as the city expands it's building in the middle of agricultural areas and a farmer who doesn't have

462
00:35:58,750 --> 00:36:06,410
the $150,000 to pay for that steamer that our neighbor sells down the street then you get up at two

463
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:12,990
o'clock in the morning and you bail tell you know you bail what about midnight to two in the morning

464
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:16,350
and then you get up at seven and when the do's coming off and you battle again.

465
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:23,390
And I did that all my life, but they came to the news and so that's why it was added in there.

466
00:36:24,670 --> 00:36:29,210
One of the things I just thought about just sitting here is you give notifications for

467
00:36:29,210 --> 00:36:30,650
your own change in what way.

468
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,400
You do those sandwich signs, right? So why don't we just, you could say

469
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,460
and do a sandwich sign that's on the street that says we're working here and here and this is

470
00:36:44,460 --> 00:36:49,740
we will be and now everybody is on notice because they drive by it and see the sandwich sign that says

471
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:53,460
this is it is and now we know we have noticed everybody and they know when it's going to happen

472
00:36:54,940 --> 00:37:00,520
maybe that's the easiest way to do it and get rid of all the other stuff yeah a QR code

473
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:06,620
on there if they want to do it goes right to Sean so that's how that's it

474
00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:10,320
Is it on there?

475
00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:11,020
Okay.

476
00:37:12,940 --> 00:37:15,980
To me, a frame becomes your easiest. Could you stick to that?

477
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,220
Yes.

478
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,920
I think mail is, mail is easy too.

479
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:20,800
And it's the burdens on the people.

480
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,500
But if you had to get signatures from everybody,

481
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:24,420
that's going to be difficult.

482
00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:25,360
But yeah.

483
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:25,760
Oh, yeah.

484
00:37:25,820 --> 00:37:28,480
And we don't, I think what we'd hope is that they would just say,

485
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,540
hey, look, these are all the neighbors within 300 feet.

486
00:37:31,660 --> 00:37:33,980
Maybe we, we can write this little better maybe, but we just say,

487
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:35,740
hey, here's all the neighbors within 300 feet.

488
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:37,660
We've got a list of all of them.

489
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,580
These are what we gave them.

490
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:44,720
Kind of with the FCM, what they did is they, you know, here's what we gave them.

491
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Here's how we notified them that this was going on.

492
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,560
I think to count some of the stores point of the noticing.

493
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:55,740
I think a lot of it is, so if someone is pouring concrete at two in the morning,

494
00:37:56,460 --> 00:38:00,780
they're notified beforehand and they can come talk to us beforehand instead of getting a call.

495
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:05,280
it, you know, calling the dispatch. I think it's going to know that some's going to happen.

496
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:11,480
I think that's fine. Yeah. Well, they close their windows on that night, so they're

497
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,980
not here in the weekend. Yeah. It's so it's like it's going or something. They can do whatever.

498
00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:27,980
Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And some of the language that you say would make a consistent state. Yeah.

499
00:38:29,220 --> 00:38:32,860
Maybe loudspeaker that would be good way to notify you.

500
00:38:34,270 --> 00:38:38,390
You notify someone of the news instance by using my app.

501
00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:41,850
And the applicant go past 30 days.

502
00:38:42,750 --> 00:38:45,290
Yeah, with the new app with a new request.

503
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:48,790
Yeah, I think the way it's written the way that we intended it to be written was.

504
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:49,950
Yeah, just every 30 days.

505
00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:52,290
If you had to, you just come in and do a new request.

506
00:38:53,770 --> 00:39:13,750
Okay. I think that, yeah, some things got to get a half on that way. So I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 2026-09-16A to amend the Enics of the ordinance section 13.1000.1083 public nuisances and add section 13.300.331.

507
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:25,470
disturbing the piece while adding in the notification the a frame signs as a possibility

508
00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:31,910
and also adjusting a language suggested by chief aims to make it consistent with state

509
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:32,210
code.

510
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:37,990
We've got a motion in a second, any more conversation on this item?

511
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:40,230
This is a roll call vote.

512
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:41,690
Sean Stor.

513
00:39:42,990 --> 00:39:43,610
David Harris.

514
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:50,910
Debra Ley, Kimberly Trauer, and Jacob is not here,

515
00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:01,380
okay. On to item number, sorry where

516
00:40:01,380 --> 00:40:07,020
are we at now? Where did I get to? We're on number nine. I'm not keeping track here. Item

517
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:14,840
number nine, consider ordinance number 2026-09-16-B, an ordinance of many Enoch City ordinances, section

518
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:33,660
14.150-152, about through 152 probably, water, 14.205 sewer, and 12.300-301 water and sewer

519
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:34,320
requirements.

520
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,840
This looks a little more hairy than it's intended to be, but really if you remember a couple

521
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:45,040
month or so ago someone wanted to connect to our water system. They were outside of city limits.

522
00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:50,640
In our code it had a process that they could go through to connect to our water sewer system.

523
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,660
This just says they have to be within city. This just kind of matches the direction we got.

524
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,620
They have to be within city limits to do that. So they either need to annex or or different things

525
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:07,100
that way. This went to the planning commission last week. They held their public carrying everything

526
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:12,140
on it. The change that we had from planning commission is just adding language for sewer

527
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,980
because we do have some sewer line that goes into the county that's already there.

528
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:24,860
So, we just added that with the staff can approve if they're outside of city limits to connect

529
00:41:24,860 --> 00:41:31,520
to sewer if there's already sewer there. Does that sound right? And if they cook on the sewer,

530
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,300
they were not required to come into city limits but they cook on the water, they were required.

531
00:41:35,300 --> 00:41:50,080
Yep, yeah, and that's only if if staff approves that they because there's already sewer out there. So I was going to ask about this and apologize. I forgot is that is our designated service area or city limits.

532
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,940
So we don't have anybody who are serving the designated area doesn't go outside or city limits.

533
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,180
What did you just ask?

534
00:41:59,180 --> 00:42:05,420
So there's a designated, we do have some people outside of city limits that we are providing water to currently, right?

535
00:42:08,190 --> 00:42:14,490
Desinated infrastructure, there's a certain city limits and then an infrastructure practice, why outside of city limits?

536
00:42:15,050 --> 00:42:18,150
And everybody who's inside of the supply area.

537
00:42:19,050 --> 00:42:26,650
So, but what you were asking is, do we have anybody, there are people outside of city limits that are within our designated service area?

538
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:31,550
Okay. So does this allow them that you have to treat them anyone within our

539
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:37,430
designated service area the same as you do as if there are limits. So make sure that caveats in there.

540
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:47,030
Then add into the thing let's say our part of our designated service area.

541
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:59,720
No, because your designated service area just says even though they're not within your limits, you agree that you'll treat them the same as you treat everybody.

542
00:42:59,940 --> 00:43:09,020
So in the motion, we would need, in the motion, it would need to say that we don't allow it outside of city limits.

543
00:43:10,260 --> 00:43:12,240
And it doesn't need to serve them.

544
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,900
But we need to just make sure that we clarify that if they are in the designated service area, that they wouldn't.

545
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,320
And they are what they are for right now.

546
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:18,960
Okay.

547
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:25,680
Yeah.

548
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:26,080
Yeah.

549
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,880
So do we need to clarify that?

550
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:39,960
There are designated services here because right here and you have someone in your line goes out to these guys on the farm and someone wants to connect up here and they're within the designated service area. Then they still have right to connect in.

551
00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:45,300
All right. Well, I'm making a motion to approve ordinance.

552
00:43:45,300 --> 00:44:14,860
on December 20, 26-9-16B, amending ining city ordinances, section 14.152 for water, 14.205 for sewer and 12.300.317 water and sewage requirements, noting that all who are in our designated service area, but outside city limits are still treated as if they were in the city limits.

553
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:17,060
or still treated the same.

554
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,140
They get that, okay.

555
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,620
Second, did you hear that? I don't think so.

556
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:31,120
Okay, so this is the right one. Let me make sure this is the right one. Sorry.

557
00:44:31,580 --> 00:44:31,980
All

558
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:50,800
right, sorry about that. We have a motion in a second. This is a roll call vote. Where's my pen?

559
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,140
Sean Stewart.

560
00:44:53,500 --> 00:44:58,820
Yeah, David Harris. Yeah, Deborah Lai, Kimberly Trauer. Yeah.

561
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,040
It was not here.

562
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:04,350
Okay.

563
00:45:07,350 --> 00:45:15,210
Let's bring it up every time. I want to be finishing. Okay. Item number 10, consider

564
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:23,070
amending the enix city engineering standard. Then, Hayden, you got the details on that. I think we're

565
00:45:23,070 --> 00:45:26,390
just updating our engineering standard on that, right? That's the. What's up?

566
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:31,170
It's got your name on it.

567
00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:37,290
So you guys just approved the six and eight a water meter for six and eight inch the 12 inch wasn't ready yet

568
00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:41,490
This is the 12 inch MCM's putting in a 12 inch meter. So this

569
00:45:42,350 --> 00:45:46,030
Actually already gave him this standard and said it will be past tonight. I hope

570
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:50,570
But yeah, it's just updating the engineer standard

571
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:56,090
Hayden's like a profit. Should we make him sweat and table this or something on this thing?

572
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:59,950
Well

573
00:45:59,950 --> 00:46:06,110
Well, I'll make a motion to approve the amendment of the Enics City Engineering Standard

574
00:46:06,110 --> 00:46:11,130
details for the, was it 12-inch, the 12-inch connection?

575
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,900
And we got a motion in a second.

576
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:18,680
Yeah, I, uh, any more conversation on this item?

577
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:22,180
This is not a roll call vote, all in favor?

578
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:22,900
Aye.

579
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:23,820
Any opposed?

580
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:25,720
Thank you.

581
00:46:31,110 --> 00:46:31,590
Okay.

582
00:46:31,810 --> 00:46:32,710
Item number 11.

583
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:40,690
one, set up public hearing to consider amending the enix city fee schedule, adding, oh, wait,

584
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:42,790
the 6, 8, 12-inch meter fee.

585
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:43,430
Okay.

586
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:44,350
Yep.

587
00:46:45,790 --> 00:46:46,510
Well, I'll make a motion.

588
00:46:46,510 --> 00:46:53,550
We set up public hearing to consider amending the enix city fee schedule for 8, 6, 8, 12-inch

589
00:46:53,550 --> 00:46:56,510
meter fees for, is that going to be the seventh?

590
00:46:57,590 --> 00:46:59,930
For the meeting held on October 7th.

591
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:03,690
We've got a motion in a second. All in favor?

592
00:47:04,070 --> 00:47:04,230
Aye.

593
00:47:04,690 --> 00:47:05,150
Any opposed?

594
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:07,250
Perfect. Thank you.

595
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:11,230
Okay. Item number 12.

596
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:16,610
Consider amending the impact fee for the hub pizza and golden hour coffee.

597
00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:22,090
And we've got some updated information on this. I think Justin's reached out to.

598
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:24,990
But you have the detail you want to come up with?

599
00:47:24,990 --> 00:47:29,710
Yes. So what we did on this, obviously, we've been talking about this for a while.

600
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:35,810
but the hub and Goldnour coffee with their transportation impact fees are requesting we reduce those.

601
00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:42,010
We've velocity homes has helped them kind of put together proposal for reducing those

602
00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:49,350
with the formula from the hub. I think there's reduced 81 percent and I think Goldnour was 74 percent.

603
00:47:50,890 --> 00:47:55,930
We had a third, we sent our Sunrise Engineering to our original

604
00:47:55,930 --> 00:48:01,910
transportation impact fee, study for us. We sent it to them to have them review the

605
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:06,170
velocity proposal. Sunrise came back and said we think we need more information to

606
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:14,190
make this, to justify this. Velocity obviously disputed that. We sent it to, we

607
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:18,670
actually sent it to two engineering firms. I reached out to Watson engineering to

608
00:48:18,670 --> 00:48:23,890
review it. They were unable, we're not, I don't mean to make it sound like they didn't

609
00:48:23,890 --> 00:48:29,970
respond to us. Tim's mom had passed away in any way. There was a big, but they they didn't respond to us.

610
00:48:30,930 --> 00:48:47,550
They've been a couple days, so I sent it to Jones and to Mill Engineering. They have a traffic engineer also on on their staff with them, but Tim Watson was able to get back to me, obviously before before your packet went out. So we included both their recommendations in there. They're there. There are thoughts and feedback.

611
00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:54,250
back. Justin's also talked to Watson engineering to get their thoughts on it. Tim Watson,

612
00:48:54,390 --> 00:49:01,130
what he told me, similar things he told Justin, but Tim said he's not a traffic engineer.

613
00:49:01,410 --> 00:49:04,910
He said, usually they hire that workout because they don't have anyone on staff at this traffic

614
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:10,450
engineering. Tim's big concern was that this might, he just wanted to make sure that this

615
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:16,290
doesn't push that intersection to failure when they're peak traffic hours at the intersection

616
00:49:16,290 --> 00:49:23,050
with mid-valley in mind as a highway there. His thing was just make sure that they're not pushing

617
00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:31,510
that to failure during peak traffic times. Jones and Emil engineering is a competitor of sunrise

618
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:36,150
and their big thing was we don't like sunrise's study which that's like going to Ford and asking what

619
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:44,030
they think of a Chevy. So there's more we have some issues with how this fee is done collected but they

620
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:50,030
also agreed that more information might be needed before we before you guys made a decision

621
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:55,810
to reduce these fees. Again, it's a significant amount we're looking at reducing them. We want,

622
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:59,310
I think the big thing that we've all talked about is we just want to be fair and make sure that

623
00:49:59,310 --> 00:50:04,610
the impact they're causing the community is what we're getting back. So, did you have anything else

624
00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:10,250
from Tim? No, I did bring it. I'll tell you one thing. He did say I he would recommend a minimum

625
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:20,450
that you don't drop it below and he said 50%. And he said because the hub might be there for two years and then you have to

626
00:50:20,450 --> 00:50:26,510
prevent someone dies or something like that and it turns into something else and I'll send in it. It becomes a lot more. It becomes a

627
00:50:26,510 --> 00:50:37,490
fish shop and you got 200 cars instead of 80 cars and you and and now your impact fee is done and there's no recapturing anymore. So he said, you know,

628
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:42,610
to have a limit on, you know, because you don't take into account just the actual, but it's a kind

629
00:50:42,610 --> 00:50:50,810
of a, it is a, it is a somewhat of a engine. How do you call that, engineered? Yes, yes,

630
00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:58,710
and so they, you know, they make an educated guess, that's the word, they make an educated guess on

631
00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:04,570
the rounded impact fee. So he said, he would have something that said 50% last, but he said,

632
00:51:04,570 --> 00:51:15,190
that let them take their information that they got from velocity and that was shared

633
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:15,670
with us.

634
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:21,350
Take it to sunrise and see if that flies with sunrise.

635
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:26,830
I had recommended to you guys that they just go to sunrise and sunrise or you had the

636
00:51:26,830 --> 00:51:27,110
study.

637
00:51:27,110 --> 00:51:28,850
It makes a most economical sense.

638
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:34,050
Tim's belief is that would create a conflict of interest for sunrise because sunrise

639
00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:40,250
He also represents someone paying him to come up with a fee in, so therefore they would have a conflict.

640
00:51:40,810 --> 00:51:44,470
Hopefully they would just do the right thing because I think our desire is to do the right thing.

641
00:51:45,290 --> 00:51:53,950
But in this alternative, if they take the information to sunrise, then sunrise can say yes or no, that works or that doesn't work.

642
00:51:54,250 --> 00:52:03,470
And they're still representing us when they take that information, but they'll have to pay sunrise the funds necessary to review their stuff.

643
00:52:03,470 --> 00:52:06,350
but they're still representing us, not them.

644
00:52:06,930 --> 00:52:09,210
It sounds like we still have a formula, though.

645
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:10,270
Correct.

646
00:52:10,830 --> 00:52:13,070
And I think what I said is,

647
00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:15,110
take Tyler, the one he presented, his formula,

648
00:52:15,610 --> 00:52:17,710
to summarize and then have summarize

649
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:19,430
doing an evaluation with their formula.

650
00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:21,730
Well, I mean, they can hire their own study

651
00:52:21,730 --> 00:52:24,510
from someone else or they can take Tyler's formula and say,

652
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:25,790
we think this formula works.

653
00:52:26,650 --> 00:52:28,130
And see if something rises.

654
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:29,950
We did send that to them, right?

655
00:52:30,250 --> 00:52:32,150
And they said, was it sunrise that said

656
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:37,590
that this is the original one. No, no, no, no. I mean, didn't we send that information? Yeah.

657
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:42,130
And they basically said, no, they need to do more. They need more. Sider said they need to more.

658
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:47,870
No, no, no, no, but sunrise. Right. But did they get Tider's information? Yes. Okay. So

659
00:52:48,570 --> 00:52:53,290
well, then sunrise. So we had, we had Watson and sorry to explain this very well. We had

660
00:52:53,290 --> 00:52:58,810
Watson engineering in Jones and Emile review. Obviously what Tider submitted, but then also sunrises

661
00:52:58,810 --> 00:53:04,050
But some people had done right or previous, like before our last meeting, Sunrise had already

662
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:10,310
seen that information and said, no, we think they should do a more traffic study before

663
00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:11,250
doing anything.

664
00:53:11,410 --> 00:53:17,150
So Sunrise has already come back to us at our request on that and said, no, we don't think

665
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:17,990
this is good enough.

666
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:20,030
I didn't know that.

667
00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:24,390
Well that's problematic then.

668
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:34,250
Yeah, so and I I did talk with with Jones and mills McLean Farmer Farland. I can't resist him. It's me. I'm sorry

669
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:44,070
But did sunrise send back what they were deficient. Yeah, well, I mean their deficiency was no, they need to do a full traffic

670
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:49,750
No, I think they're their deficiency was they didn't think it was apples to apples and there was enough information to make a

671
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:56,350
justified. So for 81% right I got the significant. So why wouldn't they why wouldn't they come back and say

672
00:53:56,350 --> 00:54:03,230
here is how it's deficient, ABCD and E and then it can be sent back to to Tyler if they want to use

673
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:10,830
velocity and they come down to and they can he can do more study here. Velocity. Yeah, I think part of

674
00:54:10,830 --> 00:54:16,970
that is problematic anyway because we're asking sunrise to say to Victor if you're

675
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:20,730
No, they have to pay sunrise for their time.

676
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:24,390
Well, I know, but they're just asking them to admit that they have a bad study.

677
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:29,590
Yeah, well, yeah, that's kind of what Tyler's saying, hey, we don't, I mean, not, what

678
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:33,550
they put together, Hunter and Tyler, what they, it velocity homes put together is basically

679
00:54:33,550 --> 00:54:38,650
like, hey, we think this is better than what you guys already were paid to do and we don't

680
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:39,270
like your study.

681
00:54:39,550 --> 00:54:42,250
And here, use this instead of what you already did.

682
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:56,510
Well, that shouldn't be the way what what the statute says is if you believe that this impact fee doesn't fairly treat you, you can go out and do your own study and come up with something that fits your particular bill.

683
00:54:56,990 --> 00:55:04,950
The concern that Tyler brought forward was that this is going to cost people $3,000 minimum to do it.

684
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:10,650
and so we're going to chase away our mom and pops and only attract large commercial people

685
00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:12,950
that can afford it because the mom and pops aren't going to be willing to.

686
00:55:13,250 --> 00:55:15,090
I think it was way more than 3,000.

687
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:17,950
Yeah, I think it was the minimum that they had already done.

688
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:22,370
And in my conversations with McLean at Jones & Mel,

689
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:27,610
because they tell me what it would cost to do a traffic study and he said on the,

690
00:55:28,070 --> 00:55:31,350
what they at Jones & Mel, he said that even if they did a high end one,

691
00:55:31,350 --> 00:55:36,830
the most, it would be $7,000. He said for something like this, it would be quite a bit cheaper,

692
00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:42,010
either. Oh, so that's not. Then they ought to go do that. Yeah, that's not terrible. Yeah.

693
00:55:42,330 --> 00:55:48,270
But I don't think it's on the city's burden too. I don't think you can justify waving your impact fees.

694
00:55:48,670 --> 00:55:53,350
In fact, the statute is pretty specific about it. You can't justify wasting your impact fees

695
00:55:53,950 --> 00:55:58,430
without some empirical data that gives you the justification to it because if you start doing that,

696
00:55:58,430 --> 00:56:00,410
but you're hurting your other citizens.

697
00:56:00,910 --> 00:56:02,310
I think I would go back to the,

698
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:04,010
can we get a different description

699
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:07,530
other than quality or fast food?

700
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:10,430
Because we're not getting the formula.

701
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:12,590
Yeah, so, and correct me if I'm wrong on this,

702
00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:15,650
if we do amend our traffic impact fee study

703
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:17,230
that we've done, we just have to,

704
00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:21,430
it has to be justified by like an engineering firm to do that.

705
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:26,090
So we just have to pay a firm to do that to amend that.

706
00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:43,890
So I have a question, the council, and I think this may set a precedent, so we have to be careful of this, but can the council say, hey, from the information we've gotten through this of what they've done with for the hub pizza and golden hour coffee.

707
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:51,030
We feel like the information is given so we cannot do that, we need to wait.

708
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:53,550
because you've already had your end of the earth to tell you it's not sufficient.

709
00:56:53,950 --> 00:56:59,530
Okay, and that's why we had the other two firms look at it too to see if they agreed with that

710
00:56:59,530 --> 00:57:04,130
or because to the point that was made, I mean sunrise could, I'm not saying they did this,

711
00:57:04,270 --> 00:57:09,590
but they could say we need to depend our work and you know what we did there. So that's why we had

712
00:57:09,590 --> 00:57:13,530
the other two, the other two take a look at it as well to make sure they were okay. So it sounds like

713
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:18,370
what when he's happened from here and so there's really no, we wouldn't really take action tonight

714
00:57:18,370 --> 00:57:24,130
because of this, but essentially that we need to get back with the hub pizza and golden hour and

715
00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:28,050
they need to hire somebody to do a, and I guess they could go in that together for the both of

716
00:57:28,050 --> 00:57:32,710
them, right? Like they could do that. Everything debt for 1,500 dollars that they do have both

717
00:57:33,070 --> 00:57:39,850
because they're fairly close. Yeah. And they can do it for, or $2,000. Yeah. And so they can pay

718
00:57:39,850 --> 00:57:44,950
Jones and Mill, Jones and Mill willing to do it for $4,000. That being said, we're going to continue

719
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:46,970
need to have this issue over and over and over.

720
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:51,810
But that's what needs to happen is they need to, if they want to come and say, hey, we

721
00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:55,710
don't feel like the impact fee is correct, they're going to have to go higher or someone.

722
00:57:56,050 --> 00:57:58,730
Jones and DeMille sounds like their, their price was reasonable.

723
00:57:59,150 --> 00:58:05,030
I don't know what Sunrise or Watson or whoever would do, but so they need to go get that to

724
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:10,890
bring to council and say, this is why we feel like it's, it's too high and that's the way

725
00:58:10,890 --> 00:58:12,030
the statue sets it up.

726
00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:18,730
the statute says, this you do your study, and this is how it is. If someone believes that

727
00:58:18,730 --> 00:58:25,470
that is incorrect as it applies to them, then they need to bring in their data, and with

728
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:30,550
such. But it would need to come from the traffic engineer not to use a builder.

729
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:37,070
Well, it just does say it has to come from China. It says it has to be sufficient data that it's

730
00:58:37,070 --> 00:59:01,070
justified to be what is for them. And, and sunrise said, that's not sufficient. And that was who we hired. Yeah, so well, I guess technically the data could come from Tyler. They said, Tyler's already got. Yeah, but they, but we said, if not, they said, they said that was not enough and it need to be a try to bring in or I mean, they need to bring in sufficient information to satisfy Sunrise.

731
00:59:01,070 --> 00:59:06,370
Well, that's what I'm saying is that isn't Tyler credible when we take his information

732
00:59:06,370 --> 00:59:08,490
as being credible or not so much?

733
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:10,310
Well, our engineer said it wasn't credible.

734
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:12,570
That's your problem.

735
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:19,110
So if they want to go back to Tyler and Tyler reaches out to sunrise and says, what do

736
00:59:19,110 --> 00:59:24,970
I need to do to make you guys happy so that it's credible and then they can provide that information.

737
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:29,570
Once sunrise says, okay, this is credible as to them, then we're good to go.

738
00:59:29,570 --> 00:59:36,070
Well, the one issue with having Tyler is because he is associated with velocity, which

739
00:59:36,070 --> 00:59:37,290
he was phased on.

740
00:59:37,690 --> 00:59:38,090
Yeah.

741
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:42,870
There's the kind of little bit of conflict there that's better for another party.

742
00:59:42,990 --> 00:59:43,750
And they'll tell you.

743
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:44,690
They'll tell you that.

744
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:45,310
And they know that.

745
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:50,330
Their interest is to create a formula they can use later on to do that.

746
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:50,910
We do that.

747
00:59:51,570 --> 00:59:59,010
I do, this is just a crazy question, is that if they failed, and another, this is what

748
00:59:59,010 --> 00:59:59,630
Tim White.

749
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:29,980
The answer is no. Is there's no recourse if a big chain came in? Wow. So the impact fee attaches to that property, but once it's done, it's done. It's done. And you can never, if it changes hands to another restaurant, they can't be have another impact fee. Yeah, I like that. I like the advice to create a percentage a minimum, at least for that reason. Can we? Yeah. Can we do that, though? I thought you and I had a conversation about that. Your engineers would have to

750
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:35,940
just by that you cannot go below this percentage because we could not have the

751
01:00:35,940 --> 01:00:40,360
terror and this is again an educated engineering

752
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:45,540
guest amount of what is going to happen over the whole of your community given

753
01:00:45,540 --> 01:00:51,260
time and therefore you can't go below this amount but so if we had restaurant to

754
01:00:51,260 --> 01:00:54,300
restaurant I give but if it was this is a dumb question I should ask you before but

755
01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:57,660
if it was like someone had an office space and then they transformed it into a

756
01:00:57,660 --> 01:01:03,120
restaurant. We're we're done. So the hub should have opened up counseling office first and then

757
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:08,500
switched over to the hub. I don't think you can you can't charge it. Yeah, you've already charged

758
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:13,240
your impact fees for water for sewer transportation. I mean water and sewer and all that makes sense. I'm

759
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:18,580
just transportation. I mean if someone was a was an office space and then also they turned it into a

760
01:01:18,580 --> 01:01:25,020
McDonald's. They must add a heck of a contractor but if they if they now let me replace it. So if

761
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:29,660
If I have my office and my office is, and McDonald's comes in and offers $2 million,

762
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,060
it's sold.

763
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:37,580
And if McDonald comes in and tears down my building, now you've got a new process, but

764
01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:41,800
if they just keep my building with the force base the way it is and the way it is, no.

765
01:01:42,260 --> 01:01:52,300
And the idea is that just as I might sell, let's give a prime example, on Main Street,

766
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:55,000
on

767
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:01,420
for the one big maverick in the corner, that might now become an office building, and they may

768
01:02:01,420 --> 01:02:09,080
have no, and so we don't give them back impact for you money. So the idea is that over the life

769
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:14,920
of the system, it balances out. Some things might become more intense use, some things become less

770
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:20,340
intense use, and it's just the way it is. It balances out in the long run.

771
01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:23,500
And Cedar City does theirs by square foot?

772
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:27,340
Yeah, I think when we looked into theirs, it's been a minute since we looked into theirs.

773
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:29,920
But yeah, they basically do all theirs the same.

774
01:02:30,460 --> 01:02:36,340
And then they, one of them, what would we say, office space gets charged more than food?

775
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:42,460
Yeah, but then it kind of balances out because everything else doesn't have to pay as much as they probably should.

776
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:45,300
So it kind of balances itself out.

777
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:53,080
So essentially, I think we can kind of move on now, but essentially, if, if, let's just

778
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,280
say Tyler and Hunter go over to sunrise and they say, yeah, this, you know, you guys

779
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,940
have suffice and you know, they give him some more data and they're like, yeah, we're comfortable

780
01:03:00,940 --> 01:03:07,020
with this. That wouldn't necessarily set a formula for us to do this in the future. It's just

781
01:03:07,020 --> 01:03:14,300
for this situation. So us trying to set up some other kind of formula. Yeah, we're, we can't,

782
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:27,120
We're not doing that. And essentially each time if somebody wants to petition that they feel like their impact fees are wrong because of their impact, they're going to have to go through this each time.

783
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:36,280
It might benefit us. Maybe that's conversation. We have a sunrise if they created some kind of formula. They say this is what we like to see this what we need to see in order to do that.

784
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,080
then we can kind of work with them on creating one. And maybe it is, maybe it is Tyler and

785
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,380
Hunter, we're on something and we can take the majority of it, but that's okay.

786
01:03:47,380 --> 01:03:51,400
It sounds like what he was saying is more of a nice one, but yeah, but yeah, yeah.

787
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,420
So we're not really having a formula that makes this, let's just say next week,

788
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,780
there's okay, the gym, that building where the gym's going in, that other facility,

789
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:06,720
we have somebody that's coming in and they're, yeah, it's gonna be a real estate officer,

790
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,900
or whatever, and they're like, hey, we don't feel like, or, I don't know, that's a bad example.

791
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:17,420
I don't know. But somebody else comes and, yeah, no, but they, well, but it would kind

792
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:21,320
of have to almost fall within the restaurant or the fast food, because that's kind of the

793
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:26,800
problem, the issue here is that fast food kind of into the wide range. Office, their impact

794
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,740
is not going to be pretty small already. So they probably wouldn't have any problem paying

795
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:35,040
that impact for you. But so let's just say it just a mom and pop restaurant goes in there

796
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:36,460
and they're doing the same thing.

797
01:04:36,820 --> 01:04:38,880
They're gonna have to go through the same process

798
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,840
of going to a traffic engineer, get a traffic study

799
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,180
or something, getting sunrise to sign off.

800
01:04:45,780 --> 01:04:48,240
Like, we're not setting a standard

801
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,660
that this is how you have to lower your impact fees

802
01:04:50,660 --> 01:04:51,360
when you want to.

803
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,060
Well, I think we're not saying everyone has to go

804
01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:55,640
get a traffic study either on this.

805
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,280
I think we're just saying you have to give sunrise

806
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,560
sufficient information that they're willing to say,

807
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,540
yeah, that, not necessarily an engineering study.

808
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:14,460
But interesting, yeah, there's there is there already is within statute a way to come in and dispute that you feel like you're you're not given as much impact as what that study the trafficking

809
01:05:14,460 --> 01:05:16,380
next study shows that sunrise did for us.

810
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:27,440
But that's going to be the procedure you've got to do to you got to come in and prove to us through sun rises engineering report that you don't have that much impact on the system.

811
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,520
So do we table this again and then well there's I don't know that there's any action to necessarily take

812
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,680
except tell them that they need to they need to come back to us with let's tell Sunrise to

813
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:42,860
help us fix this problem don't just don't just shoot it back to us let's figure out a way to make

814
01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:47,400
a word well and you can do more categories you can ask them for well that's what I was saying

815
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,700
in the same from the beginning we did we need more categories of restaurants or businesses that

816
01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:58,620
That's what I, that's from the beginning, what I thought we had to, we had to jump from

817
01:05:58,620 --> 01:05:58,940
here.

818
01:05:59,260 --> 01:05:59,820
Clear to here.

819
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:00,240
Exactly.

820
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,020
Exactly.

821
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:05,540
We need, we need something and, and as sunrise did the study, they had to be able to come

822
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:09,420
up with some additional categories without redoing the study.

823
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:14,240
Well, and, and we can, I, I think the thing we would need to do on there is just the fee

824
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,580
that would be associated with that.

825
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:16,780
That's where the study would come in.

826
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,260
We could add, we could add five more categories in there.

827
01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:22,680
They would just have to give us the number saying, this is what, you know, it's a

828
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,620
I don't know. Yeah, that's what you're saying quality. I don't know what to call it, but you know,

829
01:06:26,620 --> 01:06:31,500
I mean, just something in between and say, this is the fee that you would have to charge there.

830
01:06:31,660 --> 01:06:36,320
We could, like I said, coming up with the, they've set us definitions of things that we could include

831
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,780
in there. They would just have to say, and this is the fee associated with. Well, and I'll reiterate

832
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:47,700
that I do think that we are trying to find something that accurately represents the amount of traffic

833
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:53,300
that will come in as businesses. I think that the study that Tyler did is pretty close.

834
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:00,380
Well, it's as good a guesstimate as I think anyone can do. I don't think that the category we have

835
01:07:00,380 --> 01:07:09,820
and the fee we have is accurate. So, let's tell Sunrise, yeah, redeem yourself, fix this problem,

836
01:07:10,340 --> 01:07:15,440
and don't just kick it back and say we need more information. They got all information they need.

837
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:21,380
create a couple of extra categories and give us something we can use that is fair yeah let's

838
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:27,000
just let me correct you it's accurate what we adopted it's just yeah it's accurate for that

839
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:33,120
category yeah yeah exactly it doesn't give us enough steps in between tonight exactly exactly so

840
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:42,940
okay so let's kick it back to sunrise and say let's get it fixed and uh toots we so to speak

841
01:07:43,500 --> 01:07:47,440
So there's basically nothing we can do with that. So we're directing staff to go

842
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:52,500
and then we get started and then people to go get their study or whatever they want. I mean,

843
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,260
yeah, they could do that. They can do that too. Yeah, in the mean. Well, they can they can go sit

844
01:07:56,260 --> 01:08:00,800
down a sunrise. I think my my thought what you want us to do and create me if I'm wrong is just

845
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,700
go to say, hey, you need to go make this right with sunrise. Sunrise has to say whether that's

846
01:08:04,700 --> 01:08:09,500
a study or whatever. Well, then we'll go to sunrise and say yeah, but while we're looking at that,

847
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:17,780
Let's let's add some categories. Yeah, I think we need to go to sunrise him get some more categories than we don't need a formula

848
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:24,560
We have categories we can use a future and we we're not going to have to revisit more secure. Yeah, for that customer to go to sunrise

849
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,440
That's not gonna fair out very well. I don't think. No, well, you probably have to come back with a study saying well

850
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:30,740
They'd have to go to Jones and Mill

851
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:36,580
But if they want to split study of sunrise is yeah, we get to inform us and they go to Jones and Mill and say hey, we don't

852
01:08:36,580 --> 01:08:39,400
to wait that long, we'll each pay you $2,000, $4,000

853
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,400
of your studies, and they come and get them,

854
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:43,080
and we just have to send them up to sunrise and say,

855
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:44,820
well, that's the reason we're good to go.

856
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:48,420
Are we going to, even if they brought us a study

857
01:08:48,420 --> 01:08:50,760
from Jones and Emile, we'd still have to go back to sunrise

858
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,960
and make sure they're good with it?

859
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:54,240
Or if it came from, I know you would have to do,

860
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:56,020
you could look and say, this is stamped.

861
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,080
Yeah, yeah, I think we did that.

862
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,340
We'd have an in here's position on it.

863
01:09:00,460 --> 01:09:02,920
But I am frustrated, and I think that sunrise needs to get

864
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,580
us some better category so that this make,

865
01:09:05,580 --> 01:09:11,280
because we're gonna I feel we're gonna deal with this every time mom and pop yeah if we don't fix

866
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,740
this and I don't want to chase but we might have a lot of stay and we have the McDonald's sunrise

867
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:22,720
fix it or we can have someone else fix it yeah yeah and that and again Jones and again this is

868
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:27,940
hey Chevy tell me what's wrong with my Ford but the answer to that is nothing but

869
01:09:27,940 --> 01:09:31,300
But Jones and Emile Day, thank you.

870
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,140
Jones and Emile did offer to sit down and say, these are some of the corrections that

871
01:09:37,140 --> 01:09:38,180
we think we would make.

872
01:09:38,380 --> 01:09:39,420
I don't know if we need to go that far.

873
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:44,060
I think we could go to sunrise and say we need several more categories with the associative

874
01:09:44,060 --> 01:09:44,400
keys.

875
01:09:45,460 --> 01:09:45,780
Yeah.

876
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,600
Yeah, we go to jump for some experts.

877
01:09:48,700 --> 01:09:48,940
Yeah.

878
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:51,180
Nope.

879
01:09:51,340 --> 01:09:51,620
That's good.

880
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:53,200
And we have a great relationship with Sunrise.

881
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:54,940
They're good to work with.

882
01:09:54,940 --> 01:10:02,820
So do I need to do anything or can I just move on past this point?

883
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,840
We'll put it back on the agenda when we have some stuff to discuss.

884
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:07,540
Okay.

885
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,880
What do we do about the people that are, that this is holding up?

886
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:15,260
Well, I think that we can, they can go get a traffic study if they want

887
01:10:15,260 --> 01:10:16,920
or they're going to have to wait till we get this figured out.

888
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,940
I spoke with Mindy as well in the building department.

889
01:10:20,260 --> 01:10:23,060
She was saying that they, these fees have already been paid

890
01:10:23,060 --> 01:10:29,280
by the landlord's. And we do still have payment under protest. Basically we'll pay the

891
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,460
full amount and do a protest. We'll go to the other stuff down and you can refund

892
01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:35,840
the back. I think they've already paid. My understanding is in talking with many. They've

893
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,860
already paid these fees. They're just the landlord is saying you now need to pay these

894
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:44,280
back as part of this. So so I think we're not holding them up from doing business like

895
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:50,420
they'll still open when they hold on a minute too. But now I'm kind of so we've already

896
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:55,340
been paid these fees that were truck? The transportation fee we've been paying?

897
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:01,400
Yeah, but they're just renting, they're leasing that space. So however owns it is

898
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:08,140
saying you now have to pay me the $25,000 back for the transportation fee. So what they would do,

899
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:14,360
what this would do is just refund them. Let's say we cut it to $10,000, we would just refund them the

900
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:22,020
15 doubt the difference. And then they wouldn't have to pay the landlord. They don't. They don't really.

901
01:11:22,060 --> 01:11:26,740
This sounds like a little different. So they're coming to us and we don't want to pay our landlord what he's making us pay.

902
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,640
I think the landlord is the one that's got a file.

903
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,620
Is that fair land?

904
01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:35,240
In talking with Mindy, she said they'd already, she thought they'd already paid these so.

905
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:41,740
That being said, if it's least, that even goes more into the 50% because

906
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:47,570
Yeah, they walk out tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, agree.

907
01:11:49,820 --> 01:12:00,160
But I don't know if we can arbitrarily set a limit because if they come in and prove that they they're in passion, they're 70% can we say, well, sorry, our thing says you can only reduce by 50.

908
01:12:00,440 --> 01:12:07,300
Well, sometime well, yeah. But again, they would have to show their study says it is reduced more than 50%.

909
01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:11,200
But could but if we set a policy to say, well, we don't go below 50%.

910
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:16,480
then they'd have to come in. If we have, we still would do it. Well, if we have more categories,

911
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:22,680
we're not, we're not going to be dealing with. No, but we're just going to have, but Kimberly's point

912
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,900
is there's no reason to put a 50% thing if they can come back and dispute it anyways.

913
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:31,040
Can't we say

914
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:37,100
this is the building and you're leasing the building? And so. Well, the impact fee is the impact fee,

915
01:12:37,100 --> 01:12:42,600
But what I'm saying is, is Tim's saying there are so many unknowns that as an engineering

916
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:48,160
guesstimate, you cannot go low below 50 percent because that is, the courts have very

917
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,860
come out ruled in the El Dorado County of El Dorado versus Sheets case.

918
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:57,820
That was a California case when all the way to the Supreme Court over impact fees.

919
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:02,560
Basically, the court said it doesn't have to be an exact science and it doesn't have to

920
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:09,040
be that you prove or the county has to prove that you drive that road four times a day

921
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:14,140
and you put this much wear over 20 years and therefore they said it's if we understand

922
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:18,660
the guestment but it has to be rationally related and there has to be a nexus.

923
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:25,960
They went right back to the Nolan case and the Dolan cases of the early 70s where the Supreme

924
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,680
Court ruled about you can't take things that you're not entitled to take.

925
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:30,620
And so,

926
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:39,780
consequently, it's not an exact science, we know it's not exact, and that's what Tim is saying.

927
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:46,300
It's not exact science, but you can't read a goal below 50%, because you have all these other factors

928
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:49,300
of people moving income and going and all those things.

929
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:54,380
You have to have some limit, and it's an average over the total.

930
01:13:54,380 --> 01:14:24,360
So we could set that even if they come in and say, well, I'm only going to be 25% impact and we don't want to pay that we could still say they would have to get a they would look at our state would have to get somebody to look at our study goes the other state says even though that is that I can show that that 50% isn't correct for mine because of this and this and this but they would have to have a well but it sounds like the average over the life wouldn't apply yeah, that's what I'm saying they would have to come and show that average over the

931
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,820
life really doesn't apply, which doesn't seem to be hard to do.

932
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,880
So we could set a limit of 50, but what he keeps saying is that there's a way they could

933
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:33,380
get around it.

934
01:14:33,380 --> 01:14:35,440
So why bother setting the limit if they get around it?

935
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:35,600
So.

936
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:41,700
Well, I think short term, just maybe short term, you guys need to go to sunrise, get their

937
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:42,380
blessing on this.

938
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:43,640
You need to do long term.

939
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,360
We say sunrise, give us several more categories.

940
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,460
So we don't.

941
01:14:47,460 --> 01:14:51,360
I mean, this conversation is fun to have, but you know, I mean, it'd be nice if we could,

942
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:58,820
if we could make it a little simpler so sometimes Ryan's

943
01:15:01,390 --> 01:15:25,350
All right. Yeah. What am I doing? Can we just move past this now and just like we're not even really table. No, I think that gives us really a lot of more forward. So they can, if they don't want to wait for sunrise to update that study, they can, they can go arm wrestle or whatever engineers do to figure that out and come back with a or they can wait until sunrise could just more categories. Okay.

944
01:15:29,670 --> 01:15:30,050
Okay.

945
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:40,810
Okay, all right item number 13 set of public hearing to consider amending Enoch city ordinance section 14.100.180 cross connection.

946
01:15:41,530 --> 01:15:46,350
Make a motion. We set a public hearing for October 7th. Excuse me.

947
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:53,230
October 7th to consider amending Enoch city ordinance section 14.100.180 cross connection.

948
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:53,970
Second.

949
01:15:54,250 --> 01:15:56,030
We've got a motion and a second all in favor.

950
01:15:56,370 --> 01:15:56,790
Aye.

951
01:15:57,230 --> 01:15:57,630
Any opposed?

952
01:15:57,630 --> 01:16:02,210
All right, now let's move to Council and staff reports.

953
01:16:02,210 --> 01:16:03,690
Chief, you want to go first?

954
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:14,640
Not a tundra report, but we,

955
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,200
Dustin and I did go to the Major Cram's Conference

956
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:19,620
last week at a good time.

957
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,660
And we had a review training today.

958
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,420
We went out to the Parallel on Airport

959
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:31,200
and worked on felony stops and boxing people in

960
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,240
and a skills course and it was good.

961
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:39,500
deploying stop sticks. Always good training for us. It's probably the the riskiest,

962
01:16:39,540 --> 01:16:45,440
dangerous thing we do is drive every day. So we had our tazer, tazer training yesterday.

963
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:54,700
Unfortunately nobody got tazed. So I know. I tried to recruit my son in law, but he wasn't going

964
01:16:54,700 --> 01:17:03,440
for it. But otherwise just busy, busy as usual. So I think we're up, we're right around 1400 cases

965
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:10,380
for the year. And I still have a few months left. So any questions for me?

966
01:17:12,420 --> 01:17:12,840
No.

967
01:17:17,930 --> 01:17:19,130
Yeah, I was going to say,

968
01:17:19,190 --> 01:17:28,130
hey, you knew I didn't have it. That's why you asked right and brought it up. Thanks you guys.

969
01:17:28,970 --> 01:17:32,090
He's like today and today only, oh, you don't have a doobat.

970
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:34,570
Hey,

971
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,720
we've been wrapping up Highway 91.

972
01:17:42,620 --> 01:17:47,640
We did some extra paving into the rec center and then we graveled everybody's driveways

973
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,360
that we didn't want to pay for asphalt on.

974
01:17:51,380 --> 01:17:55,680
We did install 80 more feet of the 60 inch covert down half mile.

975
01:17:56,340 --> 01:18:01,760
We're having that intersection done and it was too far out into the road for my comfort

976
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:08,520
for when we're driving conditions and everything, so we've got an extra 80 feet and extended that more out of the right away.

977
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,680
And then we have started on the intersection of Mid Valley and Highway 91,

978
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,240
making that a true 90 degree turn.

979
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,340
Yeah, if we grubbed it up today, we're going to have it re-blue state,

980
01:18:21,340 --> 01:18:25,100
because there is high pressure gas and a bunch of phone lines in there, and then we'll start.

981
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:34,430
It will be open until we get ready to pay it because it veers way off.

982
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:39,850
And so once it's paved, then we'll go and enter the old road out and that move it over.

983
01:18:39,990 --> 01:18:44,030
So there shouldn't be any inconvenience except I'm paving day for a couple hours here and

984
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:44,190
there.

985
01:18:44,250 --> 01:18:45,250
It'll be down to one lane.

986
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:51,210
Man, I almost want to just like round the applause for 91 or what?

987
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:57,010
I've gotten a lot of compliments on 91, so I've asked the cops because I get tailgated

988
01:18:57,010 --> 01:19:00,430
because I'm driving the speed limit and people are trying to run me over down.

989
01:19:00,850 --> 01:19:05,050
Yeah. It feels like you're, yeah, it doesn't feel like you're doing the speed limit anymore.

990
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:06,110
Yeah. It's great.

991
01:19:08,210 --> 01:19:09,050
Yeah. Yeah.

992
01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:11,510
What? Everybody in the natural state you regret.

993
01:19:11,770 --> 01:19:15,590
Yeah. So now they get right on your butt and stay there, telling you to go faster.

994
01:19:17,370 --> 01:19:17,810
But

995
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:24,480
yeah, I've actually noticed that they fall there. If we get up the speed limit, but

996
01:19:26,530 --> 01:19:29,690
just enjoy it as it is. Yeah, any other questions?

997
01:19:30,910 --> 01:19:34,070
We have now we can maybe move forward on that well.

998
01:19:35,610 --> 01:19:38,430
I don't know what's taking them. They're supposed to be there already.

999
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:43,950
But now I can do the test pump but they were supposed to be developing it.

1000
01:19:44,910 --> 01:19:45,310
Well,

1001
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:50,090
they developed it but they wanted to do a bunch of tests

1002
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:53,450
so they have to buy a new pump to be able to do 2,000 gallons a minute

1003
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:59,010
which is around $170,000 and if they don't do that then I'm not going to buy it.

1004
01:19:59,190 --> 01:20:01,750
I thought they were rent borrowing a $2,000 gallon.

1005
01:20:01,810 --> 01:20:04,990
Yeah, apparently that's not what it is now so.

1006
01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:09,390
What is doing it? I was wondering if we could do it.

1007
01:20:09,390 --> 01:20:09,950
I'm child drilling.

1008
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:12,590
Thank you.

1009
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:18,510
So but yeah they were supposed to be already trying to get 800 gallons of minute out of it right now

1010
01:20:18,510 --> 01:20:22,870
during the day to make sure that it would do the capacity that I was asking it to do.

1011
01:20:22,870 --> 01:20:32,890
But I have not seen them or heard from them, but now that we got our ordinance in, then I can tell them they can do the 24-hour pump.

1012
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:35,930
Who's our engineer working with us on it?

1013
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:36,930
Insign.

1014
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:42,230
Well, yeah, I think we contracted enzyme on that.

1015
01:20:42,370 --> 01:20:44,150
Are they keeping in contact with them?

1016
01:20:45,330 --> 01:20:47,250
No, we don't contract them for that.

1017
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:49,170
They're way too expensive.

1018
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:53,450
Anything else?

1019
01:20:54,190 --> 01:21:08,690
Thank you, Lynn. Yeah, anything for us. Oh, wow, that's a new sound I just made. I just want to first

1020
01:21:08,690 --> 01:21:15,570
make a couple of comments about these impact fees. There's also the other side of is maybe we're

1021
01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:23,170
complicating it too much and we need to simplify it. For instance, some of those definitions I have

1022
01:21:23,170 --> 01:21:26,910
is intensive retail and less intensive retail.

1023
01:21:29,130 --> 01:21:31,050
What does that mean?

1024
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:32,050
What does that mean?

1025
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:36,550
So like Cedar City, they have just kind of a flat rate.

1026
01:21:36,990 --> 01:21:39,210
And maybe enzyme needs to come back with something that way.

1027
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:41,930
Maybe we're complicating it too much

1028
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:44,870
and making too many categories.

1029
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:47,050
We just need to, I don't, that's an idea.

1030
01:21:47,770 --> 01:21:48,490
That's just a thought.

1031
01:21:50,250 --> 01:21:51,410
Things are going well.

1032
01:21:51,750 --> 01:21:53,310
I just, back looked up.

1033
01:21:53,310 --> 01:21:58,150
but right now we have 186 active permits in the city.

1034
01:21:58,710 --> 01:21:59,810
It's a lot of projects.

1035
01:22:00,870 --> 01:22:03,290
I don't know, Parallon, what we have up there,

1036
01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:06,390
you know we're near that, but that's what we have right here

1037
01:22:06,390 --> 01:22:09,110
in Enic right now between all of our buildings,

1038
01:22:09,710 --> 01:22:12,510
commercial, residential, accessory buildings.

1039
01:22:13,210 --> 01:22:16,070
That's the highest I've ever seen for us.

1040
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:19,990
And so grateful to have Mindy on board.

1041
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:22,490
She's hoping this weekend to take another test

1042
01:22:22,490 --> 01:22:28,730
and get another certification. So doing that, then I can send her on her own and start

1043
01:22:28,730 --> 01:22:33,590
helping that way. So that's great. Things are going well. Things are good. I did go out to

1044
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:35,090
Lins today, do a final.

1045
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:41,770
They will be opening on Monday. There's a few minor things we'll wrap up.

1046
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:45,850
I'll be back there Friday to verify because a bunch of stuff's being delivered tomorrow.

1047
01:22:46,230 --> 01:22:51,090
Talk about last minute stuff. But it should be good. It looks good inside.

1048
01:22:52,370 --> 01:23:00,010
is up and running. Iron RV down the street is up and running and open the pallets.

1049
01:23:00,150 --> 01:23:05,990
Bakers open the hub. Yes, they the challenge there is the builder paid the fees,

1050
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:08,670
but then he went to the hub and they're like, well, wait a minute.

1051
01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:15,510
This is way more than we want to pay. And so it's kind of coming back around just to get the project

1052
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:24,230
permit approved and started the builder paid for those fees and passing those on he did pay all

1053
01:23:24,230 --> 01:23:30,610
the other impact fees other than just that because of you know and hopefully the hub won't come

1054
01:23:30,610 --> 01:23:36,970
back and say well we're changing our permit to just an office space in the next month open change

1055
01:23:36,970 --> 01:23:41,030
change. I'm just kidding. I won't go there. I'm just kidding.

1056
01:23:43,090 --> 01:23:51,170
So charge a hundred bucks for your transportation fee now in the next month. They'll change it. If it's set, I'm just kidding. Just let's

1057
01:23:51,170 --> 01:23:54,690
take the pizza place and bring in more.

1058
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:56,610
Right, right, right.

1059
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:11,240
There you go. A lot of challenges, but yeah, things are good. A lot of things coming in. We've got

1060
01:24:11,860 --> 01:24:18,920
another automotive shop out north of town where Grimshaw drilling used to be. They bought out

1061
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,660
that business and then they went to turn it into a mechanic shop and so they're adding on as well.

1062
01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:30,380
Well, I think that's about it as far as commercial, there might be a couple other minor things,

1063
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:35,480
but anyway, yeah, things are going good, and any questions for me?

1064
01:24:39,150 --> 01:24:39,350
Okay.

1065
01:24:40,090 --> 01:24:40,390
Thanks.

1066
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:41,010
Thanks, Lynn.

1067
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:42,390
Justin.

1068
01:24:59,270 --> 01:25:00,110
Oh, yeah.

1069
01:25:00,490 --> 01:25:00,910
Sorry.

1070
01:25:01,190 --> 01:25:03,750
I was like, where are we going with that?

1071
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:14,050
this but okay that's not bad even though my team did 12 under oh yeah

1072
01:25:19,070 --> 01:25:24,150
that's a good

1073
01:25:24,150 --> 01:25:30,910
the questions. Somebody, we were 62, so they were 69. Some people was at 56. Destiny

1074
01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:35,470
Williams is mean one, but I don't think that he was more of an adult than they wanted.

1075
01:25:36,650 --> 01:25:42,870
That's those claim was he wanted 50, he had 500 times. He got his money's worth.

1076
01:25:50,730 --> 01:25:58,470
Yeah, I would it would be nice to know how much they raised because I imagine they did pretty well that day. So that's pretty awesome.

1077
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:22,980
I hope I'm not assuming but I think I was the youngest one in our group that golf and I think I was the only one that was sore. So these guys did great.

1078
01:26:22,980 --> 01:26:32,600
So just a couple things so we met with the county this week about renaming minorsville highway what that process would look like

1079
01:26:33,220 --> 01:26:40,800
From the I-15 overpass to our city limits is is no longer cedar main. That's where cedar main ends and

1080
01:26:41,340 --> 01:26:46,840
Minorsville highway begins. So we're in talks with the county to make sure that we could instead of saying

1081
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:55,760
We're just going to try to rename from the overpass through Enoch City.

1082
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:04,100
We got suggested to go all the way to the Beaver County border of Enoch Parkway, but we'll see what we're just claiming it.

1083
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,920
Well, and that's what we said at a minimum we'd like to at least go to the belt room.

1084
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:14,820
Yeah, well, and I think beyond our city, like our declaration line, we go beyond the belt row.

1085
01:27:14,820 --> 01:27:25,560
So I I suggested maybe like the heroin gap road, but but really the suggestion going to be recounting I mean that might be it as good of any place to

1086
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,440
And that the one thing I think Ryan sorry, I'm yeah, no one time

1087
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:33,240
But the one thing the Ryan was a little worried about is how many

1088
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:43,460
Signs would we have to do all the way to there, but I don't think there's that many. Yeah, we don't have a matter from here to would there be more all the way to the county line all the way to the

1089
01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:56,590
No, that wouldn't be bad, but no, we're just getting our ducks and roll with everyone else first to see where we actually want to go and what we're going that way.

1090
01:27:56,870 --> 01:28:01,590
So like I said, we just, we wanted to meet the county just to get that little bit so it wasn't confusing it.

1091
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:06,970
What the county told us is Minersville Highway is a, what they, it's not a superficial name. What do they call it?

1092
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:13,390
uh, um, it's not the official name and alias. Yeah. So they were what we're looking at maybe

1093
01:28:13,390 --> 01:28:18,970
doing is instead of changing it from minor to the highway to Enoch Parkway for addresses is

1094
01:28:19,530 --> 01:28:25,590
your address is now one two three north SR 130. So it's never going to be just the official anyway.

1095
01:28:25,890 --> 01:28:31,530
I really want the commercial stuff. Well, I think we wouldn't tell that to be Enoch Parkway.

1096
01:28:31,610 --> 01:28:36,150
You know, like I myself, so I think that's more for residential commercial. We're not we wouldn't

1097
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:41,310
want to give that option. But anyway, those talks are underway. We have the

1098
01:28:41,310 --> 01:28:46,450
transportation expo tomorrow, which you dot in the county and everyone will be

1099
01:28:46,450 --> 01:28:55,670
there. So it's tomorrow from one to six at festival hall and cedar. So while I'm

1100
01:28:55,670 --> 01:28:59,170
not suggesting there's going to be a slow time, but I don't know how crazy the

1101
01:28:59,170 --> 01:29:03,530
transportation expo is going to get. But my plan is to kind of grab you dot in the

1102
01:29:03,530 --> 01:29:09,390
county while we're there and sit down and see how far they'll let us go north claiming territory

1103
01:29:09,390 --> 01:29:15,190
there so but that is underway once we get them to say yes we're good from here to here then we'll

1104
01:29:15,190 --> 01:29:20,610
start doing the advertising and doing all that fun stuff so I just talked about the transportation

1105
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:28,410
transportation expo we'll have a table there us cedar paryon the county you dot like there's there's

1106
01:29:28,410 --> 01:29:32,730
there's a good good chunk so they did it from one to six so if you need me tomorrow I'll be a festival

1107
01:29:32,730 --> 01:29:40,690
all from one to six talking about transportation. So that'll be fun to go to. Yeah, just an open

1108
01:29:40,690 --> 01:29:46,150
house style. I think they said, this is the second year they've done it. Nate Wyberg from Five

1109
01:29:46,150 --> 01:29:50,850
County is helping run it. I think so. This is the second year they've done it. Last year they had about

1110
01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:56,130
100 people. So he's hoping they get more than that. I guess I've done it with Washington County for

1111
01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:59,830
a few years, and they've got quite a crowd of issues.

1112
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:12,920
So we're still building it, but they're expecting a couple of hundred people to go through there. So can you put that out on our social media? We can. Yeah. We should. Yep. Yep. So yeah, we can we can put that out there as well.

1113
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:29,680
One thing we'll have to look at to a couple of a couple of meetings ago. We appointed Celeste Lyman to our parks and record board. She called me the veins that she can no longer be on the parks and record board. Her husband got called the servant of why I say it.

1114
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:32,600
So they're pretty busy for the next four years.

1115
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:37,080
So if you have any names that you'd like to appoint for that again,

1116
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,360
let me know and we can do that.

1117
01:30:39,620 --> 01:30:41,800
Just to appoint a new member of the Parks and Rec Board.

1118
01:30:42,140 --> 01:30:46,040
So water board meeting.

1119
01:30:46,460 --> 01:30:51,600
We had a water board meeting on a city water board meeting on last Thursday.

1120
01:30:52,060 --> 01:30:54,740
The main thing we talked about and this is going to plan a commission

1121
01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:56,000
but it will come to you guys as well.

1122
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,600
Well, Kimberly's last meeting, but the Water Conservancy District is in the process

1123
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:07,360
of building a new well that would give us access to Basin 71 water rights, so we're in

1124
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:07,840
the process.

1125
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:10,240
Two wells.

1126
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:10,640
Okay.

1127
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:16,780
I was saying 72, I was like, oh, 71, wait a minute, but so yeah, no, that's good.

1128
01:31:18,020 --> 01:31:22,300
So yeah, they're in the process, which would give us access to Basin 71 water.

1129
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:27,920
So we met with as a water board last week to go and discuss that they've made a

1130
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:33,360
recommendation which will come to you guys but they did meet and I guess that it

1131
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:37,080
will be we'll have a public hearing for it next Tuesday at the Planning Commission as

1132
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:42,840
well so that should come to you guys pretty quick. If the next Planning Commission no

1133
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:51,660
excuse me on October 13th with the Planning Commission we're going to have no

1134
01:31:51,660 --> 01:31:53,860
Oh, I think it's the 22nd, although I'll check my dates.

1135
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:55,840
We're gonna have a training with Rob Terry,

1136
01:31:56,500 --> 01:32:00,400
who's the state land use planning training coordinator

1137
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:01,060
for the state.

1138
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,620
He's gonna come to a training with us on annexation.

1139
01:32:05,260 --> 01:32:06,840
The planning commissioner asked us so many hours

1140
01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:09,660
of training every year, so that's one of the topics

1141
01:32:09,660 --> 01:32:11,840
we're gonna go over 13th, 13th.

1142
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,560
Is that something that you guys can attend?

1143
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:18,260
Yep, it would probably be beneficial.

1144
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,080
I think I'll come to that.

1145
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:24,420
We can we can do zoom and we've started a broadcast these meetings on YouTube as well

1146
01:32:24,420 --> 01:32:27,380
So if you if you can't make it or don't want to we can we can do that

1147
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:29,040
But yeah, you're more than welcome to attend

1148
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:34,300
But yeah, the topic will be annexation and yeah, we're excited about that

1149
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:40,760
I just said this but we've got YouTube up and running one of the things we're trying to do is put our meetings on YouTube now so that

1150
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,540
Just easier to track minutes wise people can watch it live

1151
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:51,360
Yeah, so we've we've got it to work so far. The last city council and planning commission meeting. It's it's worked pretty good

1152
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:57,040
So if you want to relive this and go watch it go it'll be cool to see that so yeah

1153
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:03,780
I have some information to with the visionary and county board that's here. They did a survey well

1154
01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:07,940
They contracted with the University of Utah to do a a survey last year

1155
01:33:08,940 --> 01:33:13,620
They've they've got some of the results out. This is more the pamphlet version of that

1156
01:33:14,540 --> 01:33:24,060
But if you're interested, I want to see what residents were, well, what, 1100 residents out of the 60,000 in Iron County have to say this information's available.

1157
01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:32,820
We're working on getting the full information out and how we want to do that as a visionary and county board, but this is a good start to hear what people have to say.

1158
01:33:33,820 --> 01:33:34,920
I think that's all I have.

1159
01:33:36,460 --> 01:33:42,380
one thing we are talking about the planning commission. Right now our meetings are on Tuesday night, city councils are Wednesday night.

1160
01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:52,420
We've had to start the discussion with them as in the year 2027 if we could potentially look at moving there planning commission meetings of Wednesday night as well.

1161
01:33:53,080 --> 01:34:01,440
So then all city meetings are Wednesday nights. Yeah, just to make it a little simpler for for those of us that go to both so we can remember what day we have meetings on.

1162
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:10,720
So yep, yeah, is there ever I think they're right the only time we we have a couple months in grid to this last year where we have

1163
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:16,080
Just the way it's set up. We'll have planning commission Tuesday night City Council Wednesday night and the next week

1164
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:23,000
We have no meetings. So I this would just maybe simplify that and just say any second fourth would be planning commission

1165
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:27,280
First and third would be city council that's just because of the Wednesdays Tuesdays

1166
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:28,980
Yeah, sometimes it's kept.

1167
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:30,280
Yep, just screw me that way.

1168
01:34:30,460 --> 01:34:32,720
So we brought it up with planning commission last week.

1169
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,740
They didn't have any issues with it.

1170
01:34:35,340 --> 01:34:36,980
So that might be something we bring to you guys

1171
01:34:36,980 --> 01:34:38,720
and we get a little closer to setting the schedule

1172
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:39,300
for next year.

1173
01:34:39,460 --> 01:34:41,700
So I promise that's all I have.

1174
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:42,260
I'll be quiet now.

1175
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:42,620
Thanks.

1176
01:34:44,620 --> 01:34:45,060
Lindsey.

1177
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:48,760
Office is just really busy.

1178
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,000
Phone calls, building is really busy.

1179
01:34:53,100 --> 01:34:57,000
I'm going to be at my follow-up municipal clerks

1180
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:05,020
conference in two weeks. So I'll be gone a week for that. Yeah, I don't have much else.

1181
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,840
Are you going up the fourth through the seventh also?

1182
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,720
The week before. And then business license conference, the week after. I'm going to that one.

1183
01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:16,160
The business license? Perfect. Okay.

1184
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,460
Okay, just a couple things I wanted to share. We do have a close

1185
01:35:22,460 --> 01:35:30,900
session tonight. So, but, um, few kind of exciting things happen in Enic, um, that Palabakri

1186
01:35:30,900 --> 01:35:36,480
had a grand opening and that was that strip mall seemed like they were all kind of there. The,

1187
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,420
I didn't notice if there was somebody from the hub, but there was the physical therapist was there,

1188
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:47,900
the golden hour coffee people were there and like a fun little, um, grand opening. I don't know how

1189
01:35:47,900 --> 01:35:53,300
many of you made it to that. It was Monday night, but it was pretty good turnout.

1190
01:35:54,840 --> 01:36:01,640
Ace hardware is open. And I went in there. They're pretty awesome. And Lins is

1191
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,940
slated to have a soft opening next Monday. And then their grand opening is at

1192
01:36:05,940 --> 01:36:11,160
the 30th. And I'd say if it, if we can be there, that would be great to support

1193
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,000
that. I don't know the time off the top of my head. But

1194
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,900
I think they extended in by all the way in the screen opening.

1195
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,060
Yeah, there's an RAC, RACP, of course, I think.

1196
01:36:21,380 --> 01:36:24,440
Oh, they did, I should, I probably should RACP,

1197
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,260
but they haven't reached back out to me,

1198
01:36:26,380 --> 01:36:27,980
but I think I have a part in that.

1199
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,990
So, there was some else.

1200
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:34,950
Anyways,

1201
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:38,940
oh, are they?

1202
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:39,440
Okay.

1203
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:44,160
Yeah, like, yeah, in the same places,

1204
01:36:44,340 --> 01:36:46,260
pallet bakery, right, in between pallet and hub.

1205
01:36:47,180 --> 01:36:58,080
So yeah, I went and pallets, office, they're set up there, whatever's just really cute and awesome, like they've done a really great job. It's a fun little shop.

1206
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:06,440
So there was some else, but I don't remember. So anyways, Sean, we had a day of service.

1207
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:12,980
On Saturday, we think we had some pretty good service. I don't know how the dump

1208
01:37:12,980 --> 01:37:22,460
faired out. Feel everything up that you had. Good. Good. We fed about 200 or so

1209
01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:28,920
for lunch after. Amber is not dogs and I think it was a good day. So that's all I've

1210
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:34,300
got. I was going to talk about the water meeting we had but you covered that

1211
01:37:34,300 --> 01:37:37,620
All right, so thank you for taking that.

1212
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:38,840
So that's all I had.

1213
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,520
Recyclus America's meeting is this Monday at,

1214
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,000
no, Tuesday, no, I'm confused.

1215
01:37:47,340 --> 01:37:48,620
Monday at five o'clock here.

1216
01:37:51,770 --> 01:37:54,050
So the grand opening for Lens is at 11.

1217
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:55,110
I just looked it up.

1218
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:57,930
So I have a couple things.

1219
01:37:59,030 --> 01:38:01,610
Are I uncovered everything from planning and zoning?

1220
01:38:02,270 --> 01:38:02,970
If anyone wants to come,

1221
01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:05,570
we have that public hearing for the base in 71 water.

1222
01:38:06,670 --> 01:38:14,430
one of the things that I have been asked about is why our news are minutes are not in the newspaper,

1223
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:17,230
everyone else's including paroins, the ours are not.

1224
01:38:19,420 --> 01:38:23,860
I don't know if there's a cost to it but

1225
01:38:23,860 --> 01:38:27,100
it would be... Did they do the actual minutes? Did they just do like a summary? Did you like

1226
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:32,520
us in offices of it? That's what I thought, yeah. We can look into that too. Might be a good idea,

1227
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:36,380
just a couple people are asking if I was like, I don't know. They're like, are you not part of

1228
01:38:36,380 --> 01:38:48,540
counting is like, yeah, we are. And then the parks and rec outdoor, what's it called?

1229
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:56,660
Summit. I was able to attend some of it and we learned a lot about different grants that they

1230
01:38:56,660 --> 01:39:05,520
put on that we can use for both our park, but also for connecting places to help us pay for that.

1231
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:11,740
They have a ton of grants that we can use as long as you correlate in somehow recreation.

1232
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:13,360
We can qualify for those grants.

1233
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:20,160
So I know we got the $2 million grant to connect by Centennial to 91.

1234
01:39:21,060 --> 01:39:24,240
And so if we want to continue that, we can apply for more grants.

1235
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:25,240
And they will,

1236
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:29,260
exactly.

1237
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,580
And there's, they have a bunch of different things.

1238
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:37,140
They have a plans group that they can help with the planning of your recreation

1239
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:44,020
for your area and they can do grants for that. They can do park planning. They have different

1240
01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:48,900
resources for that and I'll send all these resources to everyone from it. There's just a really,

1241
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:56,500
it's really vast. It was very informational for the two days. There was like three hours that I

1242
01:39:56,500 --> 01:40:04,800
was like, wow, this was good. And then as long as there's some sort of recreation attached into it,

1243
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:10,700
you can cover a lot of things, including sidewalks for safe running around town.

1244
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,560
I talked to them about how I don't like to run an enit because we're a little light

1245
01:40:15,090 --> 01:40:19,200
and so people can't see me, we have only sidewalks and so I always feel like I'm going to get hit

1246
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:19,660
by a car.

1247
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:25,640
And so they talked about how they could help pay for those pathways and on that note.

1248
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:33,240
I want to hit again, we only have one pathway that walks to the school and it's very overgrown

1249
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:37,680
and I think we need to address that again because kids are walking on the roads,

1250
01:40:38,220 --> 01:40:42,780
they're walking in the roads. I think we really need to look at our pathways to make sure we have

1251
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:49,040
safe places for our kids to walk and also some crosswalks by the school because there's no safe place

1252
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:57,700
for kids coming from the east side of town walking across the road to the school. There's nowhere for them

1253
01:40:57,700 --> 01:41:04,080
to cross on that west south side of the school. There's not a crosswalk. So they either have to walk

1254
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:09,600
down where there's no walkway and then cross on the crosswalk is where they need to put

1255
01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:14,440
we need to put another crosswalk in for their safety. But people who live on that lane say they've

1256
01:41:14,440 --> 01:41:22,160
almost hit kids every day. So I think it's concerning. You know, Enic is traditionally not a sidewalk

1257
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,460
but I think we need to look at making it a little safer in that way.

1258
01:41:26,540 --> 01:41:27,080
That's it.

1259
01:41:29,770 --> 01:41:31,130
I remember what I was going to say.

1260
01:41:31,310 --> 01:41:36,030
And it was, uh, Debra Jacob and I went to the five counties of governments

1261
01:41:36,030 --> 01:41:42,410
and the League of City and Towns annual whatever meeting training.

1262
01:41:43,110 --> 01:41:46,510
Um, and I felt like we had, it was over at Bryce Canyon at Ruby's Inn.

1263
01:41:46,770 --> 01:41:48,130
And I felt like it was pretty good information.

1264
01:41:48,130 --> 01:41:53,750
And they talked that we learned a little bit about accessing some funding for your community

1265
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:59,830
and grants and it seemed like in that meeting, one of the struggles, especially with smaller

1266
01:41:59,830 --> 01:42:09,470
cities, is having the help to write the grants and to go after those grants, but there

1267
01:42:09,470 --> 01:42:19,170
are help. Five counties has, they were willing to help in grant writing, but it was a fairly

1268
01:42:19,170 --> 01:42:19,510
good meeting.

1269
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:21,350
Five counties of what we signed up for, right?

1270
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:28,570
No, five counties were part of that, but we signed up for the Southern Youth Economic Alliance.

1271
01:42:29,630 --> 01:42:35,990
But that, five counties of government says they kind of work with our five counties down here in Southern Utah.

1272
01:42:37,170 --> 01:42:39,750
States are up in the Association of Governments.

1273
01:42:45,270 --> 01:43:09,730
I have one more thing I apologize we met a hearth not a homeland response forces weekend my unit is that we brought in cities from northern Utah to see a command post what it looks like how that works. I think it would be very beneficial for the next time we meet. I can get you guys the dates for someone from our staff to go and see because it's a really great way to understand in a natural way.

1274
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disaster or in any sort of disaster, how that military and civilian come together and work together

1275
01:43:17,150 --> 01:43:21,370
and they do classes on it. It's really cool. And they brought in a couple cities and

1276
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:27,390
emergency groups. Unfortunately, we were down here, so I didn't invite us up there, but we can plan

1277
01:43:27,390 --> 01:43:31,410
that for the next time if you guys would like to attend. That's going to be something good.

1278
01:43:33,570 --> 01:43:40,650
Okay, thank you. Oh my, how much do we close our regular meeting, go into closed session with the

1279
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mitigation or personal matters. Second. We've got a motion in a second. That's a roll call vote. Sean store.

1280
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David Harris. Yeah, Diverley. Kimberly Trauer. All right. We are now in a closed session. Appreciate you guys being here.