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[1:39] They're trying to, well, they have to go through a series of getting
[1:54] started there already. All right, welcome to our in the city council meeting. September 16th, 2026. It's 6 p.m., where it like it's 602.
[2:08] And let's start with the pledge of allegiance who wants the latest and the pledge of allegiance can be. Oh, Deborah's got it.
[2:16] Please follow me.
[2:20] I have a question.
[2:21] Let the allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which
[2:28] it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[2:40] And we've set aside a couple minutes for an invocation.
[2:44] There's not too many people in the audience, but anybody in the audience want to participate.
[2:48] Okay, I'll say the prayer.
[2:53] I don't really feel all that we're grateful for the opportunity we have to be here this
[2:57] evening to discuss the business of Enic City.
[3:01] We pray that the spirit and the guidance will be with us as we discuss and as we look
[3:06] at making decisions that that would guide us and always making good decisions.
[3:10] We're grateful for this area that we live in and how wonderful it is for the freedoms
[3:15] that we enjoy.
[3:16] We're grateful for thy spirit that guides us every day and pray that that would continue
[3:22] to lead us and direct us in our actions.
[3:26] Bless us all that we will be safe and protect this area that we will be watched over and
[3:30] blessed.
[3:31] We pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.
[3:39] Perfect.
[3:40] I do.
[3:42] Did we?
[3:44] Oh.
[3:44] Bring it next time.
[3:46] Perfect.
[3:47] So, I really enjoyed the Utah One Summit and one of the things that stuck out to me was how
[3:51] How do you create a culture?
[3:53] You take pride in the work you do, you look for ways to inspire and reward, you listen,
[3:58] you communicate, and know your team's worth ethic, get buy-in, and give opportunities
[4:04] to get buy-in.
[4:06] And then, but as you're creating a culture, I like what?
[4:10] I think it was Mindy Benson, who said, as you innovate, always look at how you can keep
[4:16] your uniqueness unique, and I like that.
[4:19] because there's always a way to innovate and get better, but don't lose what makes you unique.
[4:25] All right, thank you.
[4:30] All right. Has everybody had a chance to look over the agenda for tonight?
[4:35] I'll make a motion to approve the agenda for September 16th, 2026.
[4:41] Second.
[4:42] We've got a motion in the second, all in favor? Aye.
[4:45] Any opposed? Thanks. Then I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes for September 2nd, 2026.
[4:54] Make a motion to approve the minutes for the meeting held September 2, 2026.
[4:59] Second.
[5:00] Got a motion in a second. Any more conversation about the minutes?
[5:05] All in favor?
[5:06] Aye.
[5:07] Any opposed?
[5:08] Thank you.
[5:10] Oh, and is this a meeting we're ratifying expenditures?
[5:17] Oh, send it out in an email too.
[5:19] I don't know if anyone has had a chance to look at that.
[5:20] but I've been so do that you're going to get yeah that's what I figured okay so that can go around
[5:31] I don't know if there's any conversation on that nationally not here so if there is we might
[5:36] want to just push that to next meeting but if we're all good we'll pass it around so all right
[5:45] are there any conflict of interest that need to be disclosed for the agenda tonight
[5:51] seeing none
[5:53] will open up our public comments section. There are a couple of public hearings, so if you have
[5:58] anything that you want to discuss, it would be an item that there's a public hearing for.
[6:03] I'd appreciate if you wait for those public hearings and discuss it in that line item.
[6:09] But other than that, the time is now open for public comments.
[6:18] How long should we wait a while?
[6:20] Well, let's see, Justin's not necessarily public, so he can't make a public comment.
[6:29] But, Justin's right about a cookie, since I figured, yeah, that's a cookie.
[6:36] Terrible.
[6:36] I haven't had a cookie.
[6:39] You're going to have a long, dirty thing, and call with them, so I don't know if they need
[6:41] it.
[6:42] That's good.
[6:43] Well, and I guess I'll make, well, this isn't time for this, but I'll just say those cookies
[6:47] These are from Bout Bakery, so and they are open, they have their grant opening this week.
[6:52] And anyways, the cookies are great, have one, and go support our local businesses.
[7:00] All right, let's move on to item number three.
[7:03] I'll make a motion to open a public, close our regular meeting and open a public hearing
[7:06] regarding a sales tax revenue bond.
[7:10] We've got a motion in the second, any more conversation on that?
[7:14] All in favor?
[7:16] Any post?
[7:17] All right.
[7:18] All right, we are now in a public hearing for the sales tax revenue bond.
[7:27] This could be a fun meeting.
[7:28] I'm going to sit around and wait for a third.
[7:30] If there is no comment, is there anybody online?
[7:35] Yeah.
[7:38] All right.
[7:39] Well,
[7:41] doesn't look like there's anybody.
[7:44] Okay.
[7:44] Hearing and seeing none, I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to our
[7:48] regular city council meeting.
[7:51] I've got a motion to second all in favor.
[7:53] Aye.
[7:54] Any opposed?
[7:55] All right.
[7:55] Item number four, like a motion to close our regular meeting and go into public hearing regarding the CIB funding projects.
[8:04] I got a motion in the second all in favor. Aye. Any opposed?
[8:09] We're now in a public hearing for the CIB funding projects.
[8:14] This is more so a requirement for CIB now. They've kind of changed the way we go about this.
[8:20] So they want us to have a public hearing and a discussion on any of these projects. So we sent we sent all of them out,
[8:25] but this is really just for the next next year's cycle just so we can put in for those.
[8:30] So I like the list, all good projects.
[8:34] You know, we're not going for all of them right now. I think total it was about $68 million.
[8:38] So we're not going for all of them, but it just helps us to be eligible for them.
[8:42] So paying them, worth paying them to help us fund these projects.
[8:46] I understand this.
[8:48] So CIB is Community Impact Board, so it's through this state,
[8:53] But it's just different loans and grants that we can go for.
[8:57] We're not paying anything into it.
[8:59] If we're awarded a loan, obviously we can discuss that.
[9:03] But yeah, low interest loans to help with community impact funding.
[9:08] I believe it's for, it's money that we get for public lands in Utah.
[9:13] Well, for like the basin provides most of these funds that we get for
[9:18] with minor rights and everything like that.
[9:20] So I think that's a good for our citizens to know exactly yep. Yeah. Yeah. We're not we're not paying for anything. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you later what I know. I'll
[9:31] Yeah, I'll make a motion hearing no public comment other public comment. I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to our regular city council meeting.
[9:40] Second we've got a motion to second all in favor aye any opposed all right item number five
[9:48] Make a motion to close our regular meeting go into public hearing to implement a $1 fee for residents who want a paper utility bill
[9:56] We've got a motion in a second all in favor aye any opposed
[9:59] All right, we are now in a public hearing for the implementation of a $1 fee for residents who want a paper utility bill
[10:10] All right.
[10:11] But on this one, Jonathan Wilson, 488-3 North Albert Drive is a question for Justin actually.
[10:20] Is there anything in the law that says that a municipality can't arbitrarily change
[10:27] the fee structure to accomplish something they want to do?
[10:31] What
[10:33] do you mean by arbitrarily?
[10:35] So I was here for when they worked through a number of different steps to try and subsidize
[10:42] the sending out of the paper billing.
[10:45] And my understanding was that they'd accomplished the funding for the paper billing and the proposal
[10:50] here is to tack on additional $1 fee to that which my understanding, at least from what
[10:57] I've heard, is the motivation is largely they don't want to send out paper billing.
[11:02] not that it hasn't.
[11:03] I think that's the case.
[11:04] I think $1 bill.
[11:06] You guys correct me from wrong.
[11:08] It is.
[11:11] I don't think that's a case.
[11:13] As I understand it, and I may be wrong,
[11:15] and you guys need to correct this,
[11:16] but the $1 is,
[11:19] it costs you X amount of money for the postage,
[11:21] and it takes you X amount of money for the paper,
[11:24] and it costs you X amount,
[11:25] and that's an estimated $1.
[11:27] I think that the stamp itself is 70 cents.
[11:36] I remember when it was 25 cents, I just don't remember anything that was broken costs and
[11:45] provided the justification.
[11:46] If that's the justification and that's why understanding is that was to make up for that.
[11:51] Those that want to go pay for this now, it saves them all of that money because they get it and then the city's nuts.
[11:59] So those don't lump paper for their records. So if I'm a business, I'm probably going to pay that extra buck because I want that paper to trace to put in my file. I guess I can copy off my email, but I want that bill to put in my file. So when I write off my money, the IRS audits me, I've got it. But if I'm just your blow, I probably want to email set myself a buck, but it's just the city is not subsidizing the city is actually getting.
[12:29] paid for what it is. So if that's the purpose of it, it's not arbitrary. That's why I was trying to figure out the word arbitrary.
[12:36] Well, the arbitrary is if you've got the justification that it is to take care of costs that are increasing, you've got a justification for it.
[12:45] If the reason of putting in the $1 fee is you're tired of looking the stamps and filling the envelopes, that's not a cost-based.
[12:58] That's we don't want to do this anymore. We don't want. Well, there's there's even a cost of the labor. So there's there's a cost of that too. And right now all of the citizens are subsidizing those that get a paper bill.
[13:09] They're paying more. So you can look at it that way.
[13:13] And so and and you could also look at it away as you know, we are answering these questions to give you an opportunity to do.
[13:19] Yeah, for the evidence to testify. Yeah. Well, the postage itself is
[13:25] Accept a huge huge amount of that and
[13:28] emailing out the bill cost nothing
[13:31] And so the envelope and the paper it's printed on probably cost all to with posters all to get a more than the dollar
[13:39] So we are you got this to aim and then the time or labor
[13:43] We're, you know, associated with that.
[13:45] We, we get a lot of calls to if you have,
[13:47] I was just telling the mayor this yesterday,
[13:48] if you get bored, you ought to come and sit on,
[13:50] shut off, notice day with, with, uh,
[13:53] Lindsey and Carrie and these guys,
[13:54] because that's, that's basically their whole day is.
[13:56] And most of it is, well, it got lost in the mail.
[13:59] I never got it.
[14:00] I don't, you know what I mean?
[14:00] So there's, we're trying to be more efficient
[14:02] with, with that stuff as well.
[14:04] But yeah, if we, if we, if we just didn't want to do it anymore,
[14:07] I think we would just say we don't,
[14:08] we're not offering this service anymore.
[14:10] I don't think we would, we would try to do this way.
[14:12] So as an option of should we just stop doing paper lists, all the like all to tape paper
[14:20] all together and we were like no, because there's still residents who want it, but.
[14:25] Well, and there's residents that don't have an email or something.
[14:29] So we talked about that as the potential of offering a waiver of that fee if they came in
[14:35] and prove, you know, Davis reason that they don't have an email or whatever way to receive
[14:40] that.
[14:40] I will say this too, in talking with Carrie and Mindy and Lindsey who do 99% of this,
[14:46] they are very concerned that this looks like we're trying to say don't come into the office anymore,
[14:50] we don't want to, because for some of these people, this is their only social outing that they get,
[14:54] is they come into the office, which we, it's a party here, so I don't blame them.
[15:01] Our thing is we don't want this to come across as we're trying to push people away or say don't come in anymore. This is just to try to cover some of those costs. Like I said, stamps, I think we're about 70 cents. We've got the paper, we've got to print them on. We've got the envelope, we've got the time that these people have to stuff them and put them together. But we've got a waiver as well, like they were saying that these guys have all said they'd be more willing to help anyone fill out. It's going to be pretty simple, but again, we're just trying to recover.
[15:29] some of those costs. Well, you got to save on the medical cash, you know, paper cuts.
[15:34] Yeah. That's your right. And the one on your tongue is uncomfortable. Yeah.
[15:38] When you're licking the envelope, oh,
[15:43] when you have to say hydrated, so we got to get you water to.
[15:47] Sorry, that should, I shouldn't have said that. Because it was a very good question.
[15:52] Okay. I'm not aware of that. I'm still in a public hearing. And I don't know if there's
[15:56] Does anybody online that has any comments about this?
[16:02] Okay.
[16:02] If there are no comments, I'm mostly ready to move back
[16:06] for everybody to see Council.
[16:07] Second.
[16:08] We've got a motion to second.
[16:09] All in favor?
[16:11] Any posed?
[16:12] Okay.
[16:13] Item number six.
[16:14] Consider resolution number.
[16:16] Oh.
[16:19] That's.
[16:20] No, that's.
[16:21] That.
[16:22] No, we're good.
[16:22] No, this is the one we're doing right now.
[16:24] That same one.
[16:25] Now is.
[16:26] Yeah.
[16:26] But item number six, consider resolution number 2026-
[16:31] the R9-16-a, a resolution of many of the Enix city fee schedule,
[16:36] adding a fee for a paper utility bill.
[16:39] Another thing too, we've talked about, if we don't want to do a $1 fee, is we could also do a,
[16:44] we offer a $5 credit if you do go paperless and in doing that.
[16:50] We talk about maybe instead of looking like a punishment if there's some way we could maybe insist.
[16:53] If we do offer that now, we offer a $5, yeah, it's a one time one time, yeah, I was like,
[17:03] that's a big, yeah, it's a one time, it's a one time, but if we did want to say we'll give you
[17:09] a credit instead of doing that, but then again, we're incentivizing more to go online with that
[17:16] instead of, you know, carrot and stick, but yeah, I think it's fine to incentivize but also recover
[17:22] for some of our costs, not all of them, but some of our costs, and I like the waiver
[17:30] was bad.
[17:31] I thought, because we have people putting in advertisements in the newsletter that
[17:36] that was part of recouping those particular money.
[17:42] Are we getting...
[17:43] We charge for that.
[17:45] Do we get many that are advertising on the newsletter?
[17:49] Any given month that's from six advertisements, I have like two or three coming this next month so in their $10 a month.
[17:57] $10 a month.
[17:59] But yeah, I don't know how many letters are we mailing out?
[18:05] So Carrie said we send out about 2,000 bills every month.
[18:10] I don't know how many of them were paper.
[18:11] So we don't know.
[18:13] We don't know.
[18:14] Yeah, but in total it's about 2000 go out so.
[18:18] Well, you can request.
[18:23] You request it and they will send you because they want in their hand.
[18:29] Request paper.
[18:30] Yes, they request paper and the city does it without charging a fee.
[18:36] And they don't have to go on saying because I'm old and decrepit.
[18:40] So what, right? Well, you were suggesting that that would be a whole different thing.
[18:44] I don't know. Maybe we could, I don't know if we could vote on that this way, but saying something that like if you like, I don't, I don't know that to do that we have to eliminate the paper altogether and then go back to seeing who would request.
[18:59] Well, no, I was saying that if we, if we give them a credit off of their bill, like we say, you get a dollar off your bill every month.
[19:06] but if you don't have us print it, or something like that.
[19:10] So it's more of a positive-
[19:12] It seems like a reward instead of a-
[19:14] Yeah, a reward instead of a-
[19:16] And really, it's 12 bucks over the whole year.
[19:20] You know, like it's not a huge amount,
[19:22] but it would help every-
[19:24] Well, 12 times just $2000, that's that up.
[19:27] Yeah, right.
[19:27] You could do both.
[19:28] You could say your bill is $15, it's 16.
[19:31] If we do wireless, it's 14 a month.
[19:33] if you do, and that probably covers more of your mainly costs accurately.
[19:40] Penalizing the people that do not have access to the internet, nor do they know, and they
[19:47] don't want it to come immediately out of them.
[19:50] So let me ask you a question, is it inelizing someone if they're actually paying the costs
[19:56] or the actual cost of service for that person?
[20:01] And so if you reduce a buy a dollar those people are already paying something for that they're paying for their internet access every month and there's a cost to them to do that.
[20:13] For those that you have a bill is $15 for those that are not getting that they're not paying that extra money to have the internet access that affords us the bill to give them that opportunity and we are charging them for the actual cost.
[20:28] That's incurred by the city staff by the city to actually give them a paper bill if someone
[20:35] True that's just not you know and if someone truly didn't have like internet or means of doing that this like said
[20:42] We're trying to make the waiver as simple as possible. So they can they can come in and get that wave
[20:47] I think not having internet not wanting to come direct out of your bank account
[20:53] Say, you know, we those are those would be justified reason. So we would be willing to work with people at those situations
[20:58] You have it online. You don't have to set up an automatic payment. You can just have it emailed
[21:04] to you and then you check your email and then you pay it. Yeah, you still just go pay it.
[21:08] Yeah, you still get to fill in your email and you, yeah, you just have to check your email.
[21:15] It's a mail chair.
[21:20] So that was the issue. Yeah, and again, if someone didn't have an email,
[21:26] we'd be willing to talk about a minority of people don't have emails anymore.
[21:32] I mean, you can't even go to Ellen about an email at this point.
[21:37] I know someone that doesn't have a computer, but they have a phone, so they still have an email.
[21:41] And with the rising cost and gas, stamps are going to go up, paper costs go up.
[21:49] Everything goes up. Employees cost more.
[21:52] It's just one of those things that goes with, hey, this is something that we did.
[21:56] but in order to save our entire residence, this is a way, but we can also invest on a waiver.
[22:07] I don't see it as a penalty. I see it as someone covering the cost of what they're getting, so that's the way I look at it.
[22:17] I like the incentive too, so we could amend the fee schedule and say we want to give everyone a dollar off if they are electronic.
[22:29] like instead of charging people dollar fee for the paper, but we need to table it so Ashley
[22:39] can run numbers.
[22:40] Well, can we afford to drop everybody's utility bill of dollar?
[22:44] I mean, we've raised garbage collection fee by $2 before it, to be able to afford it.
[22:49] So yeah, I don't know if you can or not.
[22:51] I mean, that's probably 15,000 a month.
[22:54] Yeah, yeah, I don't know that we can.
[22:59] We'd have to raise the fee everybody's fee by a dollar and then give everybody an instant
[23:04] and then give everyone a dollar.
[23:08] Which that kind of happens, that happens all the time, but that's it.
[23:13] So if you have a bookie stat or someone's e is like fine, you can add your dollar.
[23:20] Well, and I'm fine with the waiver, too.
[23:24] I mean, if we did this and then had a waiver,
[23:27] and if someone truly couldn't afford it,
[23:30] great, we'll do it for free,
[23:33] but hopefully encourage people to go electronic
[23:37] if they have the ability to do that.
[23:39] And they would be paying for this service.
[23:41] They're not being penalized.
[23:43] They're just paying for what we're having to provide.
[23:47] So, let me, let me wrap my head around this. So, right now, if they can't, if they set up to do all in line, they're going to get a $5 credit.
[23:56] One time.
[23:57] For the first time. So, if you have $5, just already.
[24:01] So, maybe we just need to promote that.
[24:03] And that's, that's already ends. We don't have to do anything.
[24:05] Right. Yeah. So, we just may need to promote that a little bit of, there is an incentive already to do this.
[24:10] It's a one-time $5 bonus.
[24:13] Yes, whatever credit it involves.
[24:15] That's the beginning.
[24:17] Yeah.
[24:19] So, again, I don't know as that's a penalty.
[24:22] If a person, I just say that if a person is actually paying the cost of giving that service,
[24:30] it's not a penalty.
[24:32] It's the cost of getting that service.
[24:35] It's just like, sorry, it's just like when you pay over the phone, it's a convenience fee of $3.
[24:41] But if you come into the office, it's zero dollars.
[24:45] It's a convenience fee of having that bill delivered to your house.
[24:49] The way you want.
[24:50] And it's directly related to what the city has to pay.
[24:52] It's not just for our convenience, it's what the city has to pay that three, that three percent.
[24:59] See, I get after my kids all the time because they use whatever it is that shows up at the door with door dash.
[25:10] just peels me off boy something off that they spend their money and not you know and my kids are
[25:17] like dad if I get in my truck and go down there and get it it's it's an extra 10 percent but it
[25:23] would cost me well and kids said it would cost me more to drive my diesel truck down there and get food
[25:30] then it is that somebody brings it and and charges me an extra 10, you know, 10% or 10
[25:37] bucks or whatever it is. I still don't buy it, but, you know, there is that convenience
[25:43] for you. You're talking about, still
[25:49] ricks me to no end though.
[25:52] Well, diesel is not cheap. So, you were sad. If you were sad, it's a lighter car than it's a
[26:04] If we try to pay and I shouldn't even be saying anything because this really not my decision at all it's not legal decision
[26:11] so I should shut up but if I say that I want to carry my own weight and I carry I pay exactly what I incur upon the system.
[26:21] And if that's what you incur upon the system then I don't think it's a penalty but.
[26:26] But we've been incurring upon the system since the city was organized.
[26:31] And that was part of the city of working with its citizens.
[26:35] So, no, and I'm saying it's different climate.
[26:38] At one time, you paid for doing it electronically.
[26:42] Coin paper list, you paid a fee for that.
[26:45] So it's just like an interesting switch.
[26:47] Yeah.
[26:48] Yeah, it is.
[26:49] It's not there.
[26:50] But all directly related to what the city has to pay.
[26:54] That's the city has to pay more for postage.
[26:57] And electronic means is practically nothing now.
[27:03] So it is, you know, I agree that it is not a entity.
[27:07] It is, it's directly passing on our cost to those that are using the service.
[27:18] But I do want to be sensitive to people who that affects adversely.
[27:23] So I'm great with the waiver option.
[27:26] If you want to give us a, this will take effect on this day too.
[27:32] We can do that and give us some time to get this information out too.
[27:35] It's in 30 days.
[27:36] And if we do, yeah, if we did give it some time so that people could take advantage of
[27:41] the $5 credit and go electronic and not incur the dollar fee, I think that that would be great.
[27:49] That would also give some of them the opportunity event.
[27:52] We will also give some of them the opportunity event to come in and say we don't have that
[27:56] that access or that's not what?
[27:58] Yeah, and they could do the waiver before they're ever charged the dollar.
[28:01] That's true.
[28:02] So I'll make a motion that we approve resolution number 2026-9-16A,
[28:08] a resolution amending this in the city fee schedule, adding a fee for a paper utility bill
[28:14] to take effect December 1st, 2026.
[28:19] Second.
[28:21] We've got a motion in a second.
[28:23] Any more conversation on this item?
[28:26] I need to get my stuff in order here.
[28:32] I do think the only sad thing about this is that you lose the paper newsletter, which saves us time and money, but I think that is really great advertising. I do have to say that.
[28:45] They'll still get it electronically.
[28:47] They'll still get a digital one.
[28:48] I'm just worried that you won't be as effective with your newsletter.
[28:51] I don't think that's the other part.
[28:53] I don't think.
[28:55] All right, we have a motion in a second.
[28:58] This is a roll call vote.
[28:59] Sean Storr.
[29:02] David Harris.
[29:02] Yeah.
[29:03] Deborah Lay.
[29:04] Hey.
[29:05] Kimberly Trauer.
[29:07] Yeah.
[29:08] And Jacob's not online right.
[29:10] So, Jacob today.
[29:13] I think he's catching fish.
[29:15] Yeah.
[29:16] He's fishing.
[29:17] No.
[29:18] No, and send Diego.
[29:20] Yeah.
[29:23] No, it wasn't blue, it wasn't yellow fit, it wasn't blue, I don't know, anyways.
[29:32] All right, thank you for that, motion carries.
[29:37] All right, item number seven.
[29:39] Make a motion to close our regular meeting and open a public hearing to amend the Inx City
[29:43] ordinances section 13.1000.1083 public nuisances and add section 13.300.331, disturbing the piece.
[29:55] We've got a motion in a second, all in favor?
[29:57] Aye.
[29:58] We are now in a public hearing.
[30:00] For the nuisance and disturbing the peace.
[30:12] Seeing no public rushing forth, I will make a motion to close the public hearing and go back to a regular city council meeting. I've got a motion to second all in favor. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Item number eight, consider ordinance number 2026-09-16-a, an ordinance to amend enix city ordinances section 13.1,000.
[30:37] 1.1083 public nuisance and add section 13.300.331, disturbing the piece.
[30:47] So you'll remember with this, if we just a little background with it, we just don't
[30:52] have right now disturbing the pieces after 10 p.m. and before 7 a.m. We were kind of in
[30:58] between a rock and a hard place just on some of these bigger projects coming in that I think
[31:03] we discussed.
[31:04] What was it?
[31:07] So there will be times when someone has to do work outside those 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. hours.
[31:14] What this does is it just gives us a process that they have to go through to do that.
[31:20] Basically, you have to submit your stuff to myself and chief and Lynn.
[31:26] I specifically put their names in there so no, I'm just kidding.
[31:29] It would be myself, the building official and the chief of police.
[31:31] You have to go give notices to your neighbors.
[31:34] Chief had some edits that he want to include in their two chiefs.
[31:37] If you want to kind of break those down a little more, come explain those a little bit.
[31:42] But basically the way it's written right now is that they have to prove that they submitted
[31:45] or that they went to their neighbors within 300 feet.
[31:49] We just require them to notify the neighbors in 300 feet that on such a state, we're going
[31:54] to be doing this.
[31:54] It's outside this time.
[31:57] Chief just had some great edits about, you know, we can't go verify.
[32:01] But just in some ways, maybe instead of, you know, the police have to go knock on every door within 300 feet to make sure they got
[32:10] That notice that it kind of takes out takes out of their hands and puts it more on the applicant to make sure that gets done
[32:16] Chief was there anything else on that when you wanted the updates. No, it already been out
[32:23] We'll just when they when they make the motion we can include those changes too. So yeah, I think I think just
[32:43] I think that it just created an extra burden on the city to where it's like, okay, if we're
[32:48] requiring you to go to every single door within 300 feet, like, where's that burden, right?
[32:54] Are we going to double-check that?
[32:56] Are we going to make sure that you literally did get every, and so I just felt like it created
[32:59] this extra burden.
[33:00] And so it was more kind of just, we want to make, we want to say, hey, here's the standard
[33:05] and that we want them to say to do their due diligence, right?
[33:10] But ultimately the responsibility for the work and the noticing is on them, not on us, right?
[33:16] And so I just kind of cleaned up a few things and then just kind of changed a little bit of
[33:20] the language just to mirror what it is in state code so that we're kind of consistent with
[33:26] their language and our definitions and stuff. So nothing like real major, but so
[33:31] citizens, if they were complaining, you would know if they had notified them or not.
[33:36] Yeah, I mean, ultimately, I mean, there we would investigate and know if they did or not. But if,
[33:41] you know, obviously, if they say, hey, here's the standard. And within 300 feet, we've notified
[33:47] everybody. I think that we, to a degree, take that at face value. I guess, really, it's like, do
[33:53] you guys want us spending time going door-to-door as well as law enforcement and saying, did you get a notice 24 hours before you know what I mean?
[34:07] I think that was the burden that it was creating on us and I felt like it was a little bit what's their motive? Notifying so it could be a
[34:25] So that was more like it kind of referenced agrarian and agricultural activities and so
[34:34] I just kind of made the verbiage the same because there's already allowances for people
[34:39] that engage in agriculture right and so I was just making sure that the way that that's
[34:45] coined on a state level is the same verbiage that we're using in our ordinance.
[34:49] One of the questions I have about that is, I don't want to be not sensitive, but what
[34:56] good is the noticing actually do for someone?
[35:00] And I almost feel like if we adopt this, that's the notice.
[35:06] But I have to understand, if I have my homeowner, the reason I added the agriculture stuff in
[35:13] there is because there's a seminal case, years and years and years ago, who went for the
[35:19] Supreme Court is South Dakota, and there was a gravel pit, and they were mining in the
[35:23] gravel pit, and then the guy developed his property next door, and a bunch of houses
[35:27] went in there, and then they didn't like all the dust from the gravel pit.
[35:31] And basically the United States Supreme Court said, you came to the nuisance.
[35:35] You can't sit there and say, now that we're here, shut down the gravel pit.
[35:40] And it was against the state because it was a state-run gravel pit.
[35:44] So the same thing here, you come to the nuisance.
[35:46] you got agricultural community and that's what you are and you got agriculture all around you and
[35:52] as the city expands it's building in the middle of agricultural areas and a farmer who doesn't have
[35:58] the $150,000 to pay for that steamer that our neighbor sells down the street then you get up at two
[36:06] o'clock in the morning and you bail tell you know you bail what about midnight to two in the morning
[36:12] and then you get up at seven and when the do's coming off and you battle again.
[36:17] And I did that all my life, but they came to the news and so that's why it was added in there.
[36:24] One of the things I just thought about just sitting here is you give notifications for
[36:29] your own change in what way.
[36:33] You do those sandwich signs, right? So why don't we just, you could say
[36:39] and do a sandwich sign that's on the street that says we're working here and here and this is
[36:44] we will be and now everybody is on notice because they drive by it and see the sandwich sign that says
[36:49] this is it is and now we know we have noticed everybody and they know when it's going to happen
[36:54] maybe that's the easiest way to do it and get rid of all the other stuff yeah a QR code
[37:00] on there if they want to do it goes right to Sean so that's how that's it
[37:09] Is it on there?
[37:10] Okay.
[37:12] To me, a frame becomes your easiest. Could you stick to that?
[37:16] Yes.
[37:16] I think mail is, mail is easy too.
[37:19] And it's the burdens on the people.
[37:20] But if you had to get signatures from everybody,
[37:23] that's going to be difficult.
[37:24] But yeah.
[37:25] Oh, yeah.
[37:25] And we don't, I think what we'd hope is that they would just say,
[37:28] hey, look, these are all the neighbors within 300 feet.
[37:31] Maybe we, we can write this little better maybe, but we just say,
[37:33] hey, here's all the neighbors within 300 feet.
[37:35] We've got a list of all of them.
[37:38] These are what we gave them.
[37:39] Kind of with the FCM, what they did is they, you know, here's what we gave them.
[37:45] Here's how we notified them that this was going on.
[37:47] I think to count some of the stores point of the noticing.
[37:51] I think a lot of it is, so if someone is pouring concrete at two in the morning,
[37:56] they're notified beforehand and they can come talk to us beforehand instead of getting a call.
[38:00] it, you know, calling the dispatch. I think it's going to know that some's going to happen.
[38:05] I think that's fine. Yeah. Well, they close their windows on that night, so they're
[38:11] not here in the weekend. Yeah. It's so it's like it's going or something. They can do whatever.
[38:21] Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And some of the language that you say would make a consistent state. Yeah.
[38:29] Maybe loudspeaker that would be good way to notify you.
[38:34] You notify someone of the news instance by using my app.
[38:38] And the applicant go past 30 days.
[38:42] Yeah, with the new app with a new request.
[38:45] Yeah, I think the way it's written the way that we intended it to be written was.
[38:49] Yeah, just every 30 days.
[38:49] If you had to, you just come in and do a new request.
[38:53] Okay. I think that, yeah, some things got to get a half on that way. So I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 2026-09-16A to amend the Enics of the ordinance section 13.1000.1083 public nuisances and add section 13.300.331.
[39:13] disturbing the piece while adding in the notification the a frame signs as a possibility
[39:25] and also adjusting a language suggested by chief aims to make it consistent with state
[39:31] code.
[39:35] We've got a motion in a second, any more conversation on this item?
[39:38] This is a roll call vote.
[39:40] Sean Stor.
[39:42] David Harris.
[39:44] Debra Ley, Kimberly Trauer, and Jacob is not here,
[39:57] okay. On to item number, sorry where
[40:01] are we at now? Where did I get to? We're on number nine. I'm not keeping track here. Item
[40:07] number nine, consider ordinance number 2026-09-16-B, an ordinance of many Enoch City ordinances, section
[40:14] 14.150-152, about through 152 probably, water, 14.205 sewer, and 12.300-301 water and sewer
[40:33] requirements.
[40:35] This looks a little more hairy than it's intended to be, but really if you remember a couple
[40:39] month or so ago someone wanted to connect to our water system. They were outside of city limits.
[40:46] In our code it had a process that they could go through to connect to our water sewer system.
[40:52] This just says they have to be within city. This just kind of matches the direction we got.
[40:55] They have to be within city limits to do that. So they either need to annex or or different things
[41:01] that way. This went to the planning commission last week. They held their public carrying everything
[41:07] on it. The change that we had from planning commission is just adding language for sewer
[41:12] because we do have some sewer line that goes into the county that's already there.
[41:17] So, we just added that with the staff can approve if they're outside of city limits to connect
[41:24] to sewer if there's already sewer there. Does that sound right? And if they cook on the sewer,
[41:31] they were not required to come into city limits but they cook on the water, they were required.
[41:35] Yep, yeah, and that's only if if staff approves that they because there's already sewer out there. So I was going to ask about this and apologize. I forgot is that is our designated service area or city limits.
[41:51] So we don't have anybody who are serving the designated area doesn't go outside or city limits.
[41:57] What did you just ask?
[41:59] So there's a designated, we do have some people outside of city limits that we are providing water to currently, right?
[42:08] Desinated infrastructure, there's a certain city limits and then an infrastructure practice, why outside of city limits?
[42:15] And everybody who's inside of the supply area.
[42:19] So, but what you were asking is, do we have anybody, there are people outside of city limits that are within our designated service area?
[42:26] Okay. So does this allow them that you have to treat them anyone within our
[42:31] designated service area the same as you do as if there are limits. So make sure that caveats in there.
[42:38] Then add into the thing let's say our part of our designated service area.
[42:52] No, because your designated service area just says even though they're not within your limits, you agree that you'll treat them the same as you treat everybody.
[42:59] So in the motion, we would need, in the motion, it would need to say that we don't allow it outside of city limits.
[43:10] And it doesn't need to serve them.
[43:12] But we need to just make sure that we clarify that if they are in the designated service area, that they wouldn't.
[43:16] And they are what they are for right now.
[43:18] Okay.
[43:25] Yeah.
[43:26] Yeah.
[43:27] So do we need to clarify that?
[43:29] There are designated services here because right here and you have someone in your line goes out to these guys on the farm and someone wants to connect up here and they're within the designated service area. Then they still have right to connect in.
[43:42] All right. Well, I'm making a motion to approve ordinance.
[43:45] on December 20, 26-9-16B, amending ining city ordinances, section 14.152 for water, 14.205 for sewer and 12.300.317 water and sewage requirements, noting that all who are in our designated service area, but outside city limits are still treated as if they were in the city limits.
[44:14] or still treated the same.
[44:20] They get that, okay.
[44:25] Second, did you hear that? I don't think so.
[44:27] Okay, so this is the right one. Let me make sure this is the right one. Sorry.
[44:31] All
[44:46] right, sorry about that. We have a motion in a second. This is a roll call vote. Where's my pen?
[44:51] Sean Stewart.
[44:53] Yeah, David Harris. Yeah, Deborah Lai, Kimberly Trauer. Yeah.
[45:00] It was not here.
[45:04] Okay.
[45:07] Let's bring it up every time. I want to be finishing. Okay. Item number 10, consider
[45:15] amending the enix city engineering standard. Then, Hayden, you got the details on that. I think we're
[45:23] just updating our engineering standard on that, right? That's the. What's up?
[45:30] It's got your name on it.
[45:31] So you guys just approved the six and eight a water meter for six and eight inch the 12 inch wasn't ready yet
[45:37] This is the 12 inch MCM's putting in a 12 inch meter. So this
[45:42] Actually already gave him this standard and said it will be past tonight. I hope
[45:47] But yeah, it's just updating the engineer standard
[45:51] Hayden's like a profit. Should we make him sweat and table this or something on this thing?
[45:59] Well
[45:59] Well, I'll make a motion to approve the amendment of the Enics City Engineering Standard
[46:06] details for the, was it 12-inch, the 12-inch connection?
[46:13] And we got a motion in a second.
[46:15] Yeah, I, uh, any more conversation on this item?
[46:19] This is not a roll call vote, all in favor?
[46:22] Aye.
[46:23] Any opposed?
[46:24] Thank you.
[46:31] Okay.
[46:31] Item number 11.
[46:32] one, set up public hearing to consider amending the enix city fee schedule, adding, oh, wait,
[46:41] the 6, 8, 12-inch meter fee.
[46:43] Okay.
[46:44] Yep.
[46:45] Well, I'll make a motion.
[46:46] We set up public hearing to consider amending the enix city fee schedule for 8, 6, 8, 12-inch
[46:53] meter fees for, is that going to be the seventh?
[46:57] For the meeting held on October 7th.
[47:01] We've got a motion in a second. All in favor?
[47:04] Aye.
[47:04] Any opposed?
[47:06] Perfect. Thank you.
[47:09] Okay. Item number 12.
[47:11] Consider amending the impact fee for the hub pizza and golden hour coffee.
[47:17] And we've got some updated information on this. I think Justin's reached out to.
[47:22] But you have the detail you want to come up with?
[47:24] Yes. So what we did on this, obviously, we've been talking about this for a while.
[47:29] but the hub and Goldnour coffee with their transportation impact fees are requesting we reduce those.
[47:37] We've velocity homes has helped them kind of put together proposal for reducing those
[47:42] with the formula from the hub. I think there's reduced 81 percent and I think Goldnour was 74 percent.
[47:50] We had a third, we sent our Sunrise Engineering to our original
[47:55] transportation impact fee, study for us. We sent it to them to have them review the
[48:01] velocity proposal. Sunrise came back and said we think we need more information to
[48:06] make this, to justify this. Velocity obviously disputed that. We sent it to, we
[48:14] actually sent it to two engineering firms. I reached out to Watson engineering to
[48:18] review it. They were unable, we're not, I don't mean to make it sound like they didn't
[48:23] respond to us. Tim's mom had passed away in any way. There was a big, but they they didn't respond to us.
[48:30] They've been a couple days, so I sent it to Jones and to Mill Engineering. They have a traffic engineer also on on their staff with them, but Tim Watson was able to get back to me, obviously before before your packet went out. So we included both their recommendations in there. They're there. There are thoughts and feedback.
[48:47] back. Justin's also talked to Watson engineering to get their thoughts on it. Tim Watson,
[48:54] what he told me, similar things he told Justin, but Tim said he's not a traffic engineer.
[49:01] He said, usually they hire that workout because they don't have anyone on staff at this traffic
[49:04] engineering. Tim's big concern was that this might, he just wanted to make sure that this
[49:10] doesn't push that intersection to failure when they're peak traffic hours at the intersection
[49:16] with mid-valley in mind as a highway there. His thing was just make sure that they're not pushing
[49:23] that to failure during peak traffic times. Jones and Emil engineering is a competitor of sunrise
[49:31] and their big thing was we don't like sunrise's study which that's like going to Ford and asking what
[49:36] they think of a Chevy. So there's more we have some issues with how this fee is done collected but they
[49:44] also agreed that more information might be needed before we before you guys made a decision
[49:50] to reduce these fees. Again, it's a significant amount we're looking at reducing them. We want,
[49:55] I think the big thing that we've all talked about is we just want to be fair and make sure that
[49:59] the impact they're causing the community is what we're getting back. So, did you have anything else
[50:04] from Tim? No, I did bring it. I'll tell you one thing. He did say I he would recommend a minimum
[50:10] that you don't drop it below and he said 50%. And he said because the hub might be there for two years and then you have to
[50:20] prevent someone dies or something like that and it turns into something else and I'll send in it. It becomes a lot more. It becomes a
[50:26] fish shop and you got 200 cars instead of 80 cars and you and and now your impact fee is done and there's no recapturing anymore. So he said, you know,
[50:37] to have a limit on, you know, because you don't take into account just the actual, but it's a kind
[50:42] of a, it is a, it is a somewhat of a engine. How do you call that, engineered? Yes, yes,
[50:51] and so they, you know, they make an educated guess, that's the word, they make an educated guess on
[50:59] the rounded impact fee. So he said, he would have something that said 50% last, but he said,
[51:04] that let them take their information that they got from velocity and that was shared
[51:15] with us.
[51:15] Take it to sunrise and see if that flies with sunrise.
[51:21] I had recommended to you guys that they just go to sunrise and sunrise or you had the
[51:26] study.
[51:27] It makes a most economical sense.
[51:29] Tim's belief is that would create a conflict of interest for sunrise because sunrise
[51:34] He also represents someone paying him to come up with a fee in, so therefore they would have a conflict.
[51:40] Hopefully they would just do the right thing because I think our desire is to do the right thing.
[51:45] But in this alternative, if they take the information to sunrise, then sunrise can say yes or no, that works or that doesn't work.
[51:54] And they're still representing us when they take that information, but they'll have to pay sunrise the funds necessary to review their stuff.
[52:03] but they're still representing us, not them.
[52:06] It sounds like we still have a formula, though.
[52:09] Correct.
[52:10] And I think what I said is,
[52:13] take Tyler, the one he presented, his formula,
[52:15] to summarize and then have summarize
[52:17] doing an evaluation with their formula.
[52:19] Well, I mean, they can hire their own study
[52:21] from someone else or they can take Tyler's formula and say,
[52:24] we think this formula works.
[52:26] And see if something rises.
[52:28] We did send that to them, right?
[52:30] And they said, was it sunrise that said
[52:32] that this is the original one. No, no, no, no. I mean, didn't we send that information? Yeah.
[52:37] And they basically said, no, they need to do more. They need more. Sider said they need to more.
[52:42] No, no, no, no, but sunrise. Right. But did they get Tider's information? Yes. Okay. So
[52:48] well, then sunrise. So we had, we had Watson and sorry to explain this very well. We had
[52:53] Watson engineering in Jones and Emile review. Obviously what Tider submitted, but then also sunrises
[52:58] But some people had done right or previous, like before our last meeting, Sunrise had already
[53:04] seen that information and said, no, we think they should do a more traffic study before
[53:10] doing anything.
[53:11] So Sunrise has already come back to us at our request on that and said, no, we don't think
[53:17] this is good enough.
[53:19] I didn't know that.
[53:22] Well that's problematic then.
[53:24] Yeah, so and I I did talk with with Jones and mills McLean Farmer Farland. I can't resist him. It's me. I'm sorry
[53:36] But did sunrise send back what they were deficient. Yeah, well, I mean their deficiency was no, they need to do a full traffic
[53:44] No, I think they're their deficiency was they didn't think it was apples to apples and there was enough information to make a
[53:49] justified. So for 81% right I got the significant. So why wouldn't they why wouldn't they come back and say
[53:56] here is how it's deficient, ABCD and E and then it can be sent back to to Tyler if they want to use
[54:03] velocity and they come down to and they can he can do more study here. Velocity. Yeah, I think part of
[54:10] that is problematic anyway because we're asking sunrise to say to Victor if you're
[54:17] No, they have to pay sunrise for their time.
[54:20] Well, I know, but they're just asking them to admit that they have a bad study.
[54:25] Yeah, well, yeah, that's kind of what Tyler's saying, hey, we don't, I mean, not, what
[54:29] they put together, Hunter and Tyler, what they, it velocity homes put together is basically
[54:33] like, hey, we think this is better than what you guys already were paid to do and we don't
[54:38] like your study.
[54:39] And here, use this instead of what you already did.
[54:42] Well, that shouldn't be the way what what the statute says is if you believe that this impact fee doesn't fairly treat you, you can go out and do your own study and come up with something that fits your particular bill.
[54:56] The concern that Tyler brought forward was that this is going to cost people $3,000 minimum to do it.
[55:04] and so we're going to chase away our mom and pops and only attract large commercial people
[55:10] that can afford it because the mom and pops aren't going to be willing to.
[55:13] I think it was way more than 3,000.
[55:15] Yeah, I think it was the minimum that they had already done.
[55:19] And in my conversations with McLean at Jones & Mel,
[55:22] because they tell me what it would cost to do a traffic study and he said on the,
[55:28] what they at Jones & Mel, he said that even if they did a high end one,
[55:31] the most, it would be $7,000. He said for something like this, it would be quite a bit cheaper,
[55:36] either. Oh, so that's not. Then they ought to go do that. Yeah, that's not terrible. Yeah.
[55:42] But I don't think it's on the city's burden too. I don't think you can justify waving your impact fees.
[55:48] In fact, the statute is pretty specific about it. You can't justify wasting your impact fees
[55:53] without some empirical data that gives you the justification to it because if you start doing that,
[55:58] but you're hurting your other citizens.
[56:00] I think I would go back to the,
[56:02] can we get a different description
[56:04] other than quality or fast food?
[56:08] Because we're not getting the formula.
[56:10] Yeah, so, and correct me if I'm wrong on this,
[56:12] if we do amend our traffic impact fee study
[56:15] that we've done, we just have to,
[56:17] it has to be justified by like an engineering firm to do that.
[56:21] So we just have to pay a firm to do that to amend that.
[56:26] So I have a question, the council, and I think this may set a precedent, so we have to be careful of this, but can the council say, hey, from the information we've gotten through this of what they've done with for the hub pizza and golden hour coffee.
[56:45] We feel like the information is given so we cannot do that, we need to wait.
[56:51] because you've already had your end of the earth to tell you it's not sufficient.
[56:53] Okay, and that's why we had the other two firms look at it too to see if they agreed with that
[56:59] or because to the point that was made, I mean sunrise could, I'm not saying they did this,
[57:04] but they could say we need to depend our work and you know what we did there. So that's why we had
[57:09] the other two, the other two take a look at it as well to make sure they were okay. So it sounds like
[57:13] what when he's happened from here and so there's really no, we wouldn't really take action tonight
[57:18] because of this, but essentially that we need to get back with the hub pizza and golden hour and
[57:24] they need to hire somebody to do a, and I guess they could go in that together for the both of
[57:28] them, right? Like they could do that. Everything debt for 1,500 dollars that they do have both
[57:33] because they're fairly close. Yeah. And they can do it for, or $2,000. Yeah. And so they can pay
[57:39] Jones and Mill, Jones and Mill willing to do it for $4,000. That being said, we're going to continue
[57:44] need to have this issue over and over and over.
[57:46] But that's what needs to happen is they need to, if they want to come and say, hey, we
[57:51] don't feel like the impact fee is correct, they're going to have to go higher or someone.
[57:56] Jones and DeMille sounds like their, their price was reasonable.
[57:59] I don't know what Sunrise or Watson or whoever would do, but so they need to go get that to
[58:05] bring to council and say, this is why we feel like it's, it's too high and that's the way
[58:10] the statue sets it up.
[58:12] the statute says, this you do your study, and this is how it is. If someone believes that
[58:18] that is incorrect as it applies to them, then they need to bring in their data, and with
[58:25] such. But it would need to come from the traffic engineer not to use a builder.
[58:30] Well, it just does say it has to come from China. It says it has to be sufficient data that it's
[58:37] justified to be what is for them. And, and sunrise said, that's not sufficient. And that was who we hired. Yeah, so well, I guess technically the data could come from Tyler. They said, Tyler's already got. Yeah, but they, but we said, if not, they said, they said that was not enough and it need to be a try to bring in or I mean, they need to bring in sufficient information to satisfy Sunrise.
[59:01] Well, that's what I'm saying is that isn't Tyler credible when we take his information
[59:06] as being credible or not so much?
[59:08] Well, our engineer said it wasn't credible.
[59:11] That's your problem.
[59:12] So if they want to go back to Tyler and Tyler reaches out to sunrise and says, what do
[59:19] I need to do to make you guys happy so that it's credible and then they can provide that information.
[59:25] Once sunrise says, okay, this is credible as to them, then we're good to go.
[59:29] Well, the one issue with having Tyler is because he is associated with velocity, which
[59:36] he was phased on.
[59:37] Yeah.
[59:38] There's the kind of little bit of conflict there that's better for another party.
[59:42] And they'll tell you.
[59:43] They'll tell you that.
[59:44] And they know that.
[59:45] Their interest is to create a formula they can use later on to do that.
[59:50] We do that.
[59:51] I do, this is just a crazy question, is that if they failed, and another, this is what
[59:59] Tim White.
[1:00:00] The answer is no. Is there's no recourse if a big chain came in? Wow. So the impact fee attaches to that property, but once it's done, it's done. It's done. And you can never, if it changes hands to another restaurant, they can't be have another impact fee. Yeah, I like that. I like the advice to create a percentage a minimum, at least for that reason. Can we? Yeah. Can we do that, though? I thought you and I had a conversation about that. Your engineers would have to
[1:00:29] just by that you cannot go below this percentage because we could not have the
[1:00:35] terror and this is again an educated engineering
[1:00:40] guest amount of what is going to happen over the whole of your community given
[1:00:45] time and therefore you can't go below this amount but so if we had restaurant to
[1:00:51] restaurant I give but if it was this is a dumb question I should ask you before but
[1:00:54] if it was like someone had an office space and then they transformed it into a
[1:00:57] restaurant. We're we're done. So the hub should have opened up counseling office first and then
[1:01:03] switched over to the hub. I don't think you can you can't charge it. Yeah, you've already charged
[1:01:08] your impact fees for water for sewer transportation. I mean water and sewer and all that makes sense. I'm
[1:01:13] just transportation. I mean if someone was a was an office space and then also they turned it into a
[1:01:18] McDonald's. They must add a heck of a contractor but if they if they now let me replace it. So if
[1:01:25] If I have my office and my office is, and McDonald's comes in and offers $2 million,
[1:01:30] it's sold.
[1:01:31] And if McDonald comes in and tears down my building, now you've got a new process, but
[1:01:37] if they just keep my building with the force base the way it is and the way it is, no.
[1:01:42] And the idea is that just as I might sell, let's give a prime example, on Main Street,
[1:01:55] on
[1:01:55] for the one big maverick in the corner, that might now become an office building, and they may
[1:02:01] have no, and so we don't give them back impact for you money. So the idea is that over the life
[1:02:09] of the system, it balances out. Some things might become more intense use, some things become less
[1:02:14] intense use, and it's just the way it is. It balances out in the long run.
[1:02:20] And Cedar City does theirs by square foot?
[1:02:24] Yeah, I think when we looked into theirs, it's been a minute since we looked into theirs.
[1:02:27] But yeah, they basically do all theirs the same.
[1:02:30] And then they, one of them, what would we say, office space gets charged more than food?
[1:02:37] Yeah, but then it kind of balances out because everything else doesn't have to pay as much as they probably should.
[1:02:42] So it kind of balances itself out.
[1:02:45] So essentially, I think we can kind of move on now, but essentially, if, if, let's just
[1:02:53] say Tyler and Hunter go over to sunrise and they say, yeah, this, you know, you guys
[1:02:57] have suffice and you know, they give him some more data and they're like, yeah, we're comfortable
[1:03:00] with this. That wouldn't necessarily set a formula for us to do this in the future. It's just
[1:03:07] for this situation. So us trying to set up some other kind of formula. Yeah, we're, we can't,
[1:03:14] We're not doing that. And essentially each time if somebody wants to petition that they feel like their impact fees are wrong because of their impact, they're going to have to go through this each time.
[1:03:27] It might benefit us. Maybe that's conversation. We have a sunrise if they created some kind of formula. They say this is what we like to see this what we need to see in order to do that.
[1:03:36] then we can kind of work with them on creating one. And maybe it is, maybe it is Tyler and
[1:03:41] Hunter, we're on something and we can take the majority of it, but that's okay.
[1:03:47] It sounds like what he was saying is more of a nice one, but yeah, but yeah, yeah.
[1:03:51] So we're not really having a formula that makes this, let's just say next week,
[1:03:58] there's okay, the gym, that building where the gym's going in, that other facility,
[1:04:02] we have somebody that's coming in and they're, yeah, it's gonna be a real estate officer,
[1:04:06] or whatever, and they're like, hey, we don't feel like, or, I don't know, that's a bad example.
[1:04:11] I don't know. But somebody else comes and, yeah, no, but they, well, but it would kind
[1:04:17] of have to almost fall within the restaurant or the fast food, because that's kind of the
[1:04:21] problem, the issue here is that fast food kind of into the wide range. Office, their impact
[1:04:26] is not going to be pretty small already. So they probably wouldn't have any problem paying
[1:04:30] that impact for you. But so let's just say it just a mom and pop restaurant goes in there
[1:04:35] and they're doing the same thing.
[1:04:36] They're gonna have to go through the same process
[1:04:38] of going to a traffic engineer, get a traffic study
[1:04:42] or something, getting sunrise to sign off.
[1:04:45] Like, we're not setting a standard
[1:04:48] that this is how you have to lower your impact fees
[1:04:50] when you want to.
[1:04:51] Well, I think we're not saying everyone has to go
[1:04:54] get a traffic study either on this.
[1:04:55] I think we're just saying you have to give sunrise
[1:04:57] sufficient information that they're willing to say,
[1:04:59] yeah, that, not necessarily an engineering study.
[1:05:02] But interesting, yeah, there's there is there already is within statute a way to come in and dispute that you feel like you're you're not given as much impact as what that study the trafficking
[1:05:14] next study shows that sunrise did for us.
[1:05:16] But that's going to be the procedure you've got to do to you got to come in and prove to us through sun rises engineering report that you don't have that much impact on the system.
[1:05:27] So do we table this again and then well there's I don't know that there's any action to necessarily take
[1:05:32] except tell them that they need to they need to come back to us with let's tell Sunrise to
[1:05:37] help us fix this problem don't just don't just shoot it back to us let's figure out a way to make
[1:05:42] a word well and you can do more categories you can ask them for well that's what I was saying
[1:05:47] in the same from the beginning we did we need more categories of restaurants or businesses that
[1:05:55] That's what I, that's from the beginning, what I thought we had to, we had to jump from
[1:05:58] here.
[1:05:59] Clear to here.
[1:05:59] Exactly.
[1:06:00] Exactly.
[1:06:01] We need, we need something and, and as sunrise did the study, they had to be able to come
[1:06:05] up with some additional categories without redoing the study.
[1:06:10] Well, and, and we can, I, I think the thing we would need to do on there is just the fee
[1:06:14] that would be associated with that.
[1:06:15] That's where the study would come in.
[1:06:16] We could add, we could add five more categories in there.
[1:06:19] They would just have to give us the number saying, this is what, you know, it's a
[1:06:22] I don't know. Yeah, that's what you're saying quality. I don't know what to call it, but you know,
[1:06:26] I mean, just something in between and say, this is the fee that you would have to charge there.
[1:06:31] We could, like I said, coming up with the, they've set us definitions of things that we could include
[1:06:36] in there. They would just have to say, and this is the fee associated with. Well, and I'll reiterate
[1:06:40] that I do think that we are trying to find something that accurately represents the amount of traffic
[1:06:47] that will come in as businesses. I think that the study that Tyler did is pretty close.
[1:06:54] Well, it's as good a guesstimate as I think anyone can do. I don't think that the category we have
[1:07:00] and the fee we have is accurate. So, let's tell Sunrise, yeah, redeem yourself, fix this problem,
[1:07:10] and don't just kick it back and say we need more information. They got all information they need.
[1:07:15] create a couple of extra categories and give us something we can use that is fair yeah let's
[1:07:21] just let me correct you it's accurate what we adopted it's just yeah it's accurate for that
[1:07:27] category yeah yeah exactly it doesn't give us enough steps in between tonight exactly exactly so
[1:07:33] okay so let's kick it back to sunrise and say let's get it fixed and uh toots we so to speak
[1:07:43] So there's basically nothing we can do with that. So we're directing staff to go
[1:07:48] and then we get started and then people to go get their study or whatever they want. I mean,
[1:07:52] yeah, they could do that. They can do that too. Yeah, in the mean. Well, they can they can go sit
[1:07:56] down a sunrise. I think my my thought what you want us to do and create me if I'm wrong is just
[1:08:00] go to say, hey, you need to go make this right with sunrise. Sunrise has to say whether that's
[1:08:04] a study or whatever. Well, then we'll go to sunrise and say yeah, but while we're looking at that,
[1:08:09] Let's let's add some categories. Yeah, I think we need to go to sunrise him get some more categories than we don't need a formula
[1:08:17] We have categories we can use a future and we we're not going to have to revisit more secure. Yeah, for that customer to go to sunrise
[1:08:24] That's not gonna fair out very well. I don't think. No, well, you probably have to come back with a study saying well
[1:08:29] They'd have to go to Jones and Mill
[1:08:30] But if they want to split study of sunrise is yeah, we get to inform us and they go to Jones and Mill and say hey, we don't
[1:08:36] to wait that long, we'll each pay you $2,000, $4,000
[1:08:39] of your studies, and they come and get them,
[1:08:41] and we just have to send them up to sunrise and say,
[1:08:43] well, that's the reason we're good to go.
[1:08:45] Are we going to, even if they brought us a study
[1:08:48] from Jones and Emile, we'd still have to go back to sunrise
[1:08:50] and make sure they're good with it?
[1:08:52] Or if it came from, I know you would have to do,
[1:08:54] you could look and say, this is stamped.
[1:08:56] Yeah, yeah, I think we did that.
[1:08:58] We'd have an in here's position on it.
[1:09:00] But I am frustrated, and I think that sunrise needs to get
[1:09:02] us some better category so that this make,
[1:09:05] because we're gonna I feel we're gonna deal with this every time mom and pop yeah if we don't fix
[1:09:11] this and I don't want to chase but we might have a lot of stay and we have the McDonald's sunrise
[1:09:15] fix it or we can have someone else fix it yeah yeah and that and again Jones and again this is
[1:09:22] hey Chevy tell me what's wrong with my Ford but the answer to that is nothing but
[1:09:27] But Jones and Emile Day, thank you.
[1:09:34] Jones and Emile did offer to sit down and say, these are some of the corrections that
[1:09:37] we think we would make.
[1:09:38] I don't know if we need to go that far.
[1:09:39] I think we could go to sunrise and say we need several more categories with the associative
[1:09:44] keys.
[1:09:45] Yeah.
[1:09:45] Yeah, we go to jump for some experts.
[1:09:48] Yeah.
[1:09:50] Nope.
[1:09:51] That's good.
[1:09:51] And we have a great relationship with Sunrise.
[1:09:53] They're good to work with.
[1:09:54] So do I need to do anything or can I just move on past this point?
[1:10:03] We'll put it back on the agenda when we have some stuff to discuss.
[1:10:07] Okay.
[1:10:07] What do we do about the people that are, that this is holding up?
[1:10:11] Well, I think that we can, they can go get a traffic study if they want
[1:10:15] or they're going to have to wait till we get this figured out.
[1:10:17] I spoke with Mindy as well in the building department.
[1:10:20] She was saying that they, these fees have already been paid
[1:10:23] by the landlord's. And we do still have payment under protest. Basically we'll pay the
[1:10:29] full amount and do a protest. We'll go to the other stuff down and you can refund
[1:10:32] the back. I think they've already paid. My understanding is in talking with many. They've
[1:10:35] already paid these fees. They're just the landlord is saying you now need to pay these
[1:10:39] back as part of this. So so I think we're not holding them up from doing business like
[1:10:44] they'll still open when they hold on a minute too. But now I'm kind of so we've already
[1:10:50] been paid these fees that were truck? The transportation fee we've been paying?
[1:10:55] Yeah, but they're just renting, they're leasing that space. So however owns it is
[1:11:01] saying you now have to pay me the $25,000 back for the transportation fee. So what they would do,
[1:11:08] what this would do is just refund them. Let's say we cut it to $10,000, we would just refund them the
[1:11:14] 15 doubt the difference. And then they wouldn't have to pay the landlord. They don't. They don't really.
[1:11:22] This sounds like a little different. So they're coming to us and we don't want to pay our landlord what he's making us pay.
[1:11:27] I think the landlord is the one that's got a file.
[1:11:29] Is that fair land?
[1:11:31] In talking with Mindy, she said they'd already, she thought they'd already paid these so.
[1:11:35] That being said, if it's least, that even goes more into the 50% because
[1:11:41] Yeah, they walk out tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, agree.
[1:11:49] But I don't know if we can arbitrarily set a limit because if they come in and prove that they they're in passion, they're 70% can we say, well, sorry, our thing says you can only reduce by 50.
[1:12:00] Well, sometime well, yeah. But again, they would have to show their study says it is reduced more than 50%.
[1:12:07] But could but if we set a policy to say, well, we don't go below 50%.
[1:12:11] then they'd have to come in. If we have, we still would do it. Well, if we have more categories,
[1:12:16] we're not, we're not going to be dealing with. No, but we're just going to have, but Kimberly's point
[1:12:22] is there's no reason to put a 50% thing if they can come back and dispute it anyways.
[1:12:30] Can't we say
[1:12:31] this is the building and you're leasing the building? And so. Well, the impact fee is the impact fee,
[1:12:37] But what I'm saying is, is Tim's saying there are so many unknowns that as an engineering
[1:12:42] guesstimate, you cannot go low below 50 percent because that is, the courts have very
[1:12:48] come out ruled in the El Dorado County of El Dorado versus Sheets case.
[1:12:53] That was a California case when all the way to the Supreme Court over impact fees.
[1:12:58] Basically, the court said it doesn't have to be an exact science and it doesn't have to
[1:13:02] be that you prove or the county has to prove that you drive that road four times a day
[1:13:09] and you put this much wear over 20 years and therefore they said it's if we understand
[1:13:14] the guestment but it has to be rationally related and there has to be a nexus.
[1:13:19] They went right back to the Nolan case and the Dolan cases of the early 70s where the Supreme
[1:13:25] Court ruled about you can't take things that you're not entitled to take.
[1:13:29] And so,
[1:13:34] consequently, it's not an exact science, we know it's not exact, and that's what Tim is saying.
[1:13:40] It's not exact science, but you can't read a goal below 50%, because you have all these other factors
[1:13:46] of people moving income and going and all those things.
[1:13:49] You have to have some limit, and it's an average over the total.
[1:13:54] So we could set that even if they come in and say, well, I'm only going to be 25% impact and we don't want to pay that we could still say they would have to get a they would look at our state would have to get somebody to look at our study goes the other state says even though that is that I can show that that 50% isn't correct for mine because of this and this and this but they would have to have a well but it sounds like the average over the life wouldn't apply yeah, that's what I'm saying they would have to come and show that average over the
[1:14:24] life really doesn't apply, which doesn't seem to be hard to do.
[1:14:28] So we could set a limit of 50, but what he keeps saying is that there's a way they could
[1:14:32] get around it.
[1:14:33] So why bother setting the limit if they get around it?
[1:14:35] So.
[1:14:36] Well, I think short term, just maybe short term, you guys need to go to sunrise, get their
[1:14:41] blessing on this.
[1:14:42] You need to do long term.
[1:14:43] We say sunrise, give us several more categories.
[1:14:46] So we don't.
[1:14:47] I mean, this conversation is fun to have, but you know, I mean, it'd be nice if we could,
[1:14:51] if we could make it a little simpler so sometimes Ryan's
[1:15:01] All right. Yeah. What am I doing? Can we just move past this now and just like we're not even really table. No, I think that gives us really a lot of more forward. So they can, if they don't want to wait for sunrise to update that study, they can, they can go arm wrestle or whatever engineers do to figure that out and come back with a or they can wait until sunrise could just more categories. Okay.
[1:15:29] Okay.
[1:15:30] Okay, all right item number 13 set of public hearing to consider amending Enoch city ordinance section 14.100.180 cross connection.
[1:15:41] Make a motion. We set a public hearing for October 7th. Excuse me.
[1:15:47] October 7th to consider amending Enoch city ordinance section 14.100.180 cross connection.
[1:15:53] Second.
[1:15:54] We've got a motion and a second all in favor.
[1:15:56] Aye.
[1:15:57] Any opposed?
[1:15:57] All right, now let's move to Council and staff reports.
[1:16:02] Chief, you want to go first?
[1:16:12] Not a tundra report, but we,
[1:16:15] Dustin and I did go to the Major Cram's Conference
[1:16:18] last week at a good time.
[1:16:20] And we had a review training today.
[1:16:24] We went out to the Parallel on Airport
[1:16:26] and worked on felony stops and boxing people in
[1:16:31] and a skills course and it was good.
[1:16:34] deploying stop sticks. Always good training for us. It's probably the the riskiest,
[1:16:39] dangerous thing we do is drive every day. So we had our tazer, tazer training yesterday.
[1:16:45] Unfortunately nobody got tazed. So I know. I tried to recruit my son in law, but he wasn't going
[1:16:54] for it. But otherwise just busy, busy as usual. So I think we're up, we're right around 1400 cases
[1:17:03] for the year. And I still have a few months left. So any questions for me?
[1:17:12] No.
[1:17:17] Yeah, I was going to say,
[1:17:19] hey, you knew I didn't have it. That's why you asked right and brought it up. Thanks you guys.
[1:17:28] He's like today and today only, oh, you don't have a doobat.
[1:17:34] Hey,
[1:17:39] we've been wrapping up Highway 91.
[1:17:42] We did some extra paving into the rec center and then we graveled everybody's driveways
[1:17:47] that we didn't want to pay for asphalt on.
[1:17:51] We did install 80 more feet of the 60 inch covert down half mile.
[1:17:56] We're having that intersection done and it was too far out into the road for my comfort
[1:18:02] for when we're driving conditions and everything, so we've got an extra 80 feet and extended that more out of the right away.
[1:18:09] And then we have started on the intersection of Mid Valley and Highway 91,
[1:18:14] making that a true 90 degree turn.
[1:18:18] Yeah, if we grubbed it up today, we're going to have it re-blue state,
[1:18:21] because there is high pressure gas and a bunch of phone lines in there, and then we'll start.
[1:18:28] It will be open until we get ready to pay it because it veers way off.
[1:18:34] And so once it's paved, then we'll go and enter the old road out and that move it over.
[1:18:39] So there shouldn't be any inconvenience except I'm paving day for a couple hours here and
[1:18:44] there.
[1:18:44] It'll be down to one lane.
[1:18:46] Man, I almost want to just like round the applause for 91 or what?
[1:18:51] I've gotten a lot of compliments on 91, so I've asked the cops because I get tailgated
[1:18:57] because I'm driving the speed limit and people are trying to run me over down.
[1:19:00] Yeah. It feels like you're, yeah, it doesn't feel like you're doing the speed limit anymore.
[1:19:05] Yeah. It's great.
[1:19:08] Yeah. Yeah.
[1:19:09] What? Everybody in the natural state you regret.
[1:19:11] Yeah. So now they get right on your butt and stay there, telling you to go faster.
[1:19:17] But
[1:19:19] yeah, I've actually noticed that they fall there. If we get up the speed limit, but
[1:19:26] just enjoy it as it is. Yeah, any other questions?
[1:19:30] We have now we can maybe move forward on that well.
[1:19:35] I don't know what's taking them. They're supposed to be there already.
[1:19:38] But now I can do the test pump but they were supposed to be developing it.
[1:19:44] Well,
[1:19:47] they developed it but they wanted to do a bunch of tests
[1:19:50] so they have to buy a new pump to be able to do 2,000 gallons a minute
[1:19:53] which is around $170,000 and if they don't do that then I'm not going to buy it.
[1:19:59] I thought they were rent borrowing a $2,000 gallon.
[1:20:01] Yeah, apparently that's not what it is now so.
[1:20:05] What is doing it? I was wondering if we could do it.
[1:20:09] I'm child drilling.
[1:20:11] Thank you.
[1:20:14] So but yeah they were supposed to be already trying to get 800 gallons of minute out of it right now
[1:20:18] during the day to make sure that it would do the capacity that I was asking it to do.
[1:20:22] But I have not seen them or heard from them, but now that we got our ordinance in, then I can tell them they can do the 24-hour pump.
[1:20:33] Who's our engineer working with us on it?
[1:20:36] Insign.
[1:20:38] Well, yeah, I think we contracted enzyme on that.
[1:20:42] Are they keeping in contact with them?
[1:20:45] No, we don't contract them for that.
[1:20:47] They're way too expensive.
[1:20:52] Anything else?
[1:20:54] Thank you, Lynn. Yeah, anything for us. Oh, wow, that's a new sound I just made. I just want to first
[1:21:08] make a couple of comments about these impact fees. There's also the other side of is maybe we're
[1:21:15] complicating it too much and we need to simplify it. For instance, some of those definitions I have
[1:21:23] is intensive retail and less intensive retail.
[1:21:29] What does that mean?
[1:21:31] What does that mean?
[1:21:32] So like Cedar City, they have just kind of a flat rate.
[1:21:36] And maybe enzyme needs to come back with something that way.
[1:21:40] Maybe we're complicating it too much
[1:21:41] and making too many categories.
[1:21:45] We just need to, I don't, that's an idea.
[1:21:47] That's just a thought.
[1:21:50] Things are going well.
[1:21:51] I just, back looked up.
[1:21:53] but right now we have 186 active permits in the city.
[1:21:58] It's a lot of projects.
[1:22:00] I don't know, Parallon, what we have up there,
[1:22:03] you know we're near that, but that's what we have right here
[1:22:06] in Enic right now between all of our buildings,
[1:22:09] commercial, residential, accessory buildings.
[1:22:13] That's the highest I've ever seen for us.
[1:22:16] And so grateful to have Mindy on board.
[1:22:20] She's hoping this weekend to take another test
[1:22:22] and get another certification. So doing that, then I can send her on her own and start
[1:22:28] helping that way. So that's great. Things are going well. Things are good. I did go out to
[1:22:33] Lins today, do a final.
[1:22:37] They will be opening on Monday. There's a few minor things we'll wrap up.
[1:22:41] I'll be back there Friday to verify because a bunch of stuff's being delivered tomorrow.
[1:22:46] Talk about last minute stuff. But it should be good. It looks good inside.
[1:22:52] is up and running. Iron RV down the street is up and running and open the pallets.
[1:23:00] Bakers open the hub. Yes, they the challenge there is the builder paid the fees,
[1:23:05] but then he went to the hub and they're like, well, wait a minute.
[1:23:08] This is way more than we want to pay. And so it's kind of coming back around just to get the project
[1:23:15] permit approved and started the builder paid for those fees and passing those on he did pay all
[1:23:24] the other impact fees other than just that because of you know and hopefully the hub won't come
[1:23:30] back and say well we're changing our permit to just an office space in the next month open change
[1:23:36] change. I'm just kidding. I won't go there. I'm just kidding.
[1:23:43] So charge a hundred bucks for your transportation fee now in the next month. They'll change it. If it's set, I'm just kidding. Just let's
[1:23:51] take the pizza place and bring in more.
[1:23:55] Right, right, right.
[1:24:04] There you go. A lot of challenges, but yeah, things are good. A lot of things coming in. We've got
[1:24:11] another automotive shop out north of town where Grimshaw drilling used to be. They bought out
[1:24:18] that business and then they went to turn it into a mechanic shop and so they're adding on as well.
[1:24:22] Well, I think that's about it as far as commercial, there might be a couple other minor things,
[1:24:30] but anyway, yeah, things are going good, and any questions for me?
[1:24:39] Okay.
[1:24:40] Thanks.
[1:24:40] Thanks, Lynn.
[1:24:41] Justin.
[1:24:59] Oh, yeah.
[1:25:00] Sorry.
[1:25:01] I was like, where are we going with that?
[1:25:03] this but okay that's not bad even though my team did 12 under oh yeah
[1:25:19] that's a good
[1:25:24] the questions. Somebody, we were 62, so they were 69. Some people was at 56. Destiny
[1:25:30] Williams is mean one, but I don't think that he was more of an adult than they wanted.
[1:25:36] That's those claim was he wanted 50, he had 500 times. He got his money's worth.
[1:25:50] Yeah, I would it would be nice to know how much they raised because I imagine they did pretty well that day. So that's pretty awesome.
[1:26:15] I hope I'm not assuming but I think I was the youngest one in our group that golf and I think I was the only one that was sore. So these guys did great.
[1:26:22] So just a couple things so we met with the county this week about renaming minorsville highway what that process would look like
[1:26:33] From the I-15 overpass to our city limits is is no longer cedar main. That's where cedar main ends and
[1:26:41] Minorsville highway begins. So we're in talks with the county to make sure that we could instead of saying
[1:26:51] We're just going to try to rename from the overpass through Enoch City.
[1:26:57] We got suggested to go all the way to the Beaver County border of Enoch Parkway, but we'll see what we're just claiming it.
[1:27:05] Well, and that's what we said at a minimum we'd like to at least go to the belt room.
[1:27:09] Yeah, well, and I think beyond our city, like our declaration line, we go beyond the belt row.
[1:27:14] So I I suggested maybe like the heroin gap road, but but really the suggestion going to be recounting I mean that might be it as good of any place to
[1:27:26] And that the one thing I think Ryan sorry, I'm yeah, no one time
[1:27:30] But the one thing the Ryan was a little worried about is how many
[1:27:34] Signs would we have to do all the way to there, but I don't think there's that many. Yeah, we don't have a matter from here to would there be more all the way to the county line all the way to the
[1:27:46] No, that wouldn't be bad, but no, we're just getting our ducks and roll with everyone else first to see where we actually want to go and what we're going that way.
[1:27:56] So like I said, we just, we wanted to meet the county just to get that little bit so it wasn't confusing it.
[1:28:02] What the county told us is Minersville Highway is a, what they, it's not a superficial name. What do they call it?
[1:28:06] uh, um, it's not the official name and alias. Yeah. So they were what we're looking at maybe
[1:28:13] doing is instead of changing it from minor to the highway to Enoch Parkway for addresses is
[1:28:19] your address is now one two three north SR 130. So it's never going to be just the official anyway.
[1:28:25] I really want the commercial stuff. Well, I think we wouldn't tell that to be Enoch Parkway.
[1:28:31] You know, like I myself, so I think that's more for residential commercial. We're not we wouldn't
[1:28:36] want to give that option. But anyway, those talks are underway. We have the
[1:28:41] transportation expo tomorrow, which you dot in the county and everyone will be
[1:28:46] there. So it's tomorrow from one to six at festival hall and cedar. So while I'm
[1:28:55] not suggesting there's going to be a slow time, but I don't know how crazy the
[1:28:59] transportation expo is going to get. But my plan is to kind of grab you dot in the
[1:29:03] county while we're there and sit down and see how far they'll let us go north claiming territory
[1:29:09] there so but that is underway once we get them to say yes we're good from here to here then we'll
[1:29:15] start doing the advertising and doing all that fun stuff so I just talked about the transportation
[1:29:21] transportation expo we'll have a table there us cedar paryon the county you dot like there's there's
[1:29:28] there's a good good chunk so they did it from one to six so if you need me tomorrow I'll be a festival
[1:29:32] all from one to six talking about transportation. So that'll be fun to go to. Yeah, just an open
[1:29:40] house style. I think they said, this is the second year they've done it. Nate Wyberg from Five
[1:29:46] County is helping run it. I think so. This is the second year they've done it. Last year they had about
[1:29:50] 100 people. So he's hoping they get more than that. I guess I've done it with Washington County for
[1:29:56] a few years, and they've got quite a crowd of issues.
[1:30:00] So we're still building it, but they're expecting a couple of hundred people to go through there. So can you put that out on our social media? We can. Yeah. We should. Yep. Yep. So yeah, we can we can put that out there as well.
[1:30:15] One thing we'll have to look at to a couple of a couple of meetings ago. We appointed Celeste Lyman to our parks and record board. She called me the veins that she can no longer be on the parks and record board. Her husband got called the servant of why I say it.
[1:30:29] So they're pretty busy for the next four years.
[1:30:32] So if you have any names that you'd like to appoint for that again,
[1:30:37] let me know and we can do that.
[1:30:39] Just to appoint a new member of the Parks and Rec Board.
[1:30:42] So water board meeting.
[1:30:46] We had a water board meeting on a city water board meeting on last Thursday.
[1:30:52] The main thing we talked about and this is going to plan a commission
[1:30:54] but it will come to you guys as well.
[1:30:56] Well, Kimberly's last meeting, but the Water Conservancy District is in the process
[1:31:01] of building a new well that would give us access to Basin 71 water rights, so we're in
[1:31:07] the process.
[1:31:09] Two wells.
[1:31:10] Okay.
[1:31:11] I was saying 72, I was like, oh, 71, wait a minute, but so yeah, no, that's good.
[1:31:18] So yeah, they're in the process, which would give us access to Basin 71 water.
[1:31:22] So we met with as a water board last week to go and discuss that they've made a
[1:31:27] recommendation which will come to you guys but they did meet and I guess that it
[1:31:33] will be we'll have a public hearing for it next Tuesday at the Planning Commission as
[1:31:37] well so that should come to you guys pretty quick. If the next Planning Commission no
[1:31:42] excuse me on October 13th with the Planning Commission we're going to have no
[1:31:51] Oh, I think it's the 22nd, although I'll check my dates.
[1:31:54] We're gonna have a training with Rob Terry,
[1:31:56] who's the state land use planning training coordinator
[1:32:00] for the state.
[1:32:02] He's gonna come to a training with us on annexation.
[1:32:05] The planning commissioner asked us so many hours
[1:32:06] of training every year, so that's one of the topics
[1:32:09] we're gonna go over 13th, 13th.
[1:32:11] Is that something that you guys can attend?
[1:32:17] Yep, it would probably be beneficial.
[1:32:18] I think I'll come to that.
[1:32:20] We can we can do zoom and we've started a broadcast these meetings on YouTube as well
[1:32:24] So if you if you can't make it or don't want to we can we can do that
[1:32:27] But yeah, you're more than welcome to attend
[1:32:29] But yeah, the topic will be annexation and yeah, we're excited about that
[1:32:34] I just said this but we've got YouTube up and running one of the things we're trying to do is put our meetings on YouTube now so that
[1:32:41] Just easier to track minutes wise people can watch it live
[1:32:45] Yeah, so we've we've got it to work so far. The last city council and planning commission meeting. It's it's worked pretty good
[1:32:51] So if you want to relive this and go watch it go it'll be cool to see that so yeah
[1:32:57] I have some information to with the visionary and county board that's here. They did a survey well
[1:33:03] They contracted with the University of Utah to do a a survey last year
[1:33:08] They've they've got some of the results out. This is more the pamphlet version of that
[1:33:14] But if you're interested, I want to see what residents were, well, what, 1100 residents out of the 60,000 in Iron County have to say this information's available.
[1:33:24] We're working on getting the full information out and how we want to do that as a visionary and county board, but this is a good start to hear what people have to say.
[1:33:33] I think that's all I have.
[1:33:36] one thing we are talking about the planning commission. Right now our meetings are on Tuesday night, city councils are Wednesday night.
[1:33:43] We've had to start the discussion with them as in the year 2027 if we could potentially look at moving there planning commission meetings of Wednesday night as well.
[1:33:53] So then all city meetings are Wednesday nights. Yeah, just to make it a little simpler for for those of us that go to both so we can remember what day we have meetings on.
[1:34:01] So yep, yeah, is there ever I think they're right the only time we we have a couple months in grid to this last year where we have
[1:34:10] Just the way it's set up. We'll have planning commission Tuesday night City Council Wednesday night and the next week
[1:34:16] We have no meetings. So I this would just maybe simplify that and just say any second fourth would be planning commission
[1:34:23] First and third would be city council that's just because of the Wednesdays Tuesdays
[1:34:27] Yeah, sometimes it's kept.
[1:34:29] Yep, just screw me that way.
[1:34:30] So we brought it up with planning commission last week.
[1:34:32] They didn't have any issues with it.
[1:34:35] So that might be something we bring to you guys
[1:34:36] and we get a little closer to setting the schedule
[1:34:38] for next year.
[1:34:39] So I promise that's all I have.
[1:34:41] I'll be quiet now.
[1:34:42] Thanks.
[1:34:44] Lindsey.
[1:34:47] Office is just really busy.
[1:34:49] Phone calls, building is really busy.
[1:34:53] I'm going to be at my follow-up municipal clerks
[1:34:57] conference in two weeks. So I'll be gone a week for that. Yeah, I don't have much else.
[1:35:05] Are you going up the fourth through the seventh also?
[1:35:08] The week before. And then business license conference, the week after. I'm going to that one.
[1:35:13] The business license? Perfect. Okay.
[1:35:18] Okay, just a couple things I wanted to share. We do have a close
[1:35:22] session tonight. So, but, um, few kind of exciting things happen in Enic, um, that Palabakri
[1:35:30] had a grand opening and that was that strip mall seemed like they were all kind of there. The,
[1:35:36] I didn't notice if there was somebody from the hub, but there was the physical therapist was there,
[1:35:41] the golden hour coffee people were there and like a fun little, um, grand opening. I don't know how
[1:35:47] many of you made it to that. It was Monday night, but it was pretty good turnout.
[1:35:54] Ace hardware is open. And I went in there. They're pretty awesome. And Lins is
[1:36:01] slated to have a soft opening next Monday. And then their grand opening is at
[1:36:05] the 30th. And I'd say if it, if we can be there, that would be great to support
[1:36:11] that. I don't know the time off the top of my head. But
[1:36:15] I think they extended in by all the way in the screen opening.
[1:36:18] Yeah, there's an RAC, RACP, of course, I think.
[1:36:21] Oh, they did, I should, I probably should RACP,
[1:36:24] but they haven't reached back out to me,
[1:36:26] but I think I have a part in that.
[1:36:28] So, there was some else.
[1:36:34] Anyways,
[1:36:38] oh, are they?
[1:36:39] Okay.
[1:36:40] Yeah, like, yeah, in the same places,
[1:36:44] pallet bakery, right, in between pallet and hub.
[1:36:47] So yeah, I went and pallets, office, they're set up there, whatever's just really cute and awesome, like they've done a really great job. It's a fun little shop.
[1:36:58] So there was some else, but I don't remember. So anyways, Sean, we had a day of service.
[1:37:06] On Saturday, we think we had some pretty good service. I don't know how the dump
[1:37:12] faired out. Feel everything up that you had. Good. Good. We fed about 200 or so
[1:37:22] for lunch after. Amber is not dogs and I think it was a good day. So that's all I've
[1:37:28] got. I was going to talk about the water meeting we had but you covered that
[1:37:34] All right, so thank you for taking that.
[1:37:37] So that's all I had.
[1:37:41] Recyclus America's meeting is this Monday at,
[1:37:45] no, Tuesday, no, I'm confused.
[1:37:47] Monday at five o'clock here.
[1:37:51] So the grand opening for Lens is at 11.
[1:37:54] I just looked it up.
[1:37:56] So I have a couple things.
[1:37:59] Are I uncovered everything from planning and zoning?
[1:38:02] If anyone wants to come,
[1:38:03] we have that public hearing for the base in 71 water.
[1:38:06] one of the things that I have been asked about is why our news are minutes are not in the newspaper,
[1:38:14] everyone else's including paroins, the ours are not.
[1:38:19] I don't know if there's a cost to it but
[1:38:23] it would be... Did they do the actual minutes? Did they just do like a summary? Did you like
[1:38:27] us in offices of it? That's what I thought, yeah. We can look into that too. Might be a good idea,
[1:38:32] just a couple people are asking if I was like, I don't know. They're like, are you not part of
[1:38:36] counting is like, yeah, we are. And then the parks and rec outdoor, what's it called?
[1:38:49] Summit. I was able to attend some of it and we learned a lot about different grants that they
[1:38:56] put on that we can use for both our park, but also for connecting places to help us pay for that.
[1:39:05] They have a ton of grants that we can use as long as you correlate in somehow recreation.
[1:39:12] We can qualify for those grants.
[1:39:13] So I know we got the $2 million grant to connect by Centennial to 91.
[1:39:21] And so if we want to continue that, we can apply for more grants.
[1:39:24] And they will,
[1:39:28] exactly.
[1:39:30] And there's, they have a bunch of different things.
[1:39:31] They have a plans group that they can help with the planning of your recreation
[1:39:37] for your area and they can do grants for that. They can do park planning. They have different
[1:39:44] resources for that and I'll send all these resources to everyone from it. There's just a really,
[1:39:48] it's really vast. It was very informational for the two days. There was like three hours that I
[1:39:56] was like, wow, this was good. And then as long as there's some sort of recreation attached into it,
[1:40:04] you can cover a lot of things, including sidewalks for safe running around town.
[1:40:10] I talked to them about how I don't like to run an enit because we're a little light
[1:40:15] and so people can't see me, we have only sidewalks and so I always feel like I'm going to get hit
[1:40:19] by a car.
[1:40:20] And so they talked about how they could help pay for those pathways and on that note.
[1:40:26] I want to hit again, we only have one pathway that walks to the school and it's very overgrown
[1:40:33] and I think we need to address that again because kids are walking on the roads,
[1:40:38] they're walking in the roads. I think we really need to look at our pathways to make sure we have
[1:40:42] safe places for our kids to walk and also some crosswalks by the school because there's no safe place
[1:40:49] for kids coming from the east side of town walking across the road to the school. There's nowhere for them
[1:40:57] to cross on that west south side of the school. There's not a crosswalk. So they either have to walk
[1:41:04] down where there's no walkway and then cross on the crosswalk is where they need to put
[1:41:09] we need to put another crosswalk in for their safety. But people who live on that lane say they've
[1:41:14] almost hit kids every day. So I think it's concerning. You know, Enic is traditionally not a sidewalk
[1:41:22] but I think we need to look at making it a little safer in that way.
[1:41:26] That's it.
[1:41:29] I remember what I was going to say.
[1:41:31] And it was, uh, Debra Jacob and I went to the five counties of governments
[1:41:36] and the League of City and Towns annual whatever meeting training.
[1:41:43] Um, and I felt like we had, it was over at Bryce Canyon at Ruby's Inn.
[1:41:46] And I felt like it was pretty good information.
[1:41:48] And they talked that we learned a little bit about accessing some funding for your community
[1:41:53] and grants and it seemed like in that meeting, one of the struggles, especially with smaller
[1:41:59] cities, is having the help to write the grants and to go after those grants, but there
[1:42:09] are help. Five counties has, they were willing to help in grant writing, but it was a fairly
[1:42:19] good meeting.
[1:42:19] Five counties of what we signed up for, right?
[1:42:21] No, five counties were part of that, but we signed up for the Southern Youth Economic Alliance.
[1:42:29] But that, five counties of government says they kind of work with our five counties down here in Southern Utah.
[1:42:37] States are up in the Association of Governments.
[1:42:45] I have one more thing I apologize we met a hearth not a homeland response forces weekend my unit is that we brought in cities from northern Utah to see a command post what it looks like how that works. I think it would be very beneficial for the next time we meet. I can get you guys the dates for someone from our staff to go and see because it's a really great way to understand in a natural way.
[1:43:09] disaster or in any sort of disaster, how that military and civilian come together and work together
[1:43:17] and they do classes on it. It's really cool. And they brought in a couple cities and
[1:43:22] emergency groups. Unfortunately, we were down here, so I didn't invite us up there, but we can plan
[1:43:27] that for the next time if you guys would like to attend. That's going to be something good.
[1:43:33] Okay, thank you. Oh my, how much do we close our regular meeting, go into closed session with the
[1:43:40] mitigation or personal matters. Second. We've got a motion in a second. That's a roll call vote. Sean store.
[1:43:47] David Harris. Yeah, Diverley. Kimberly Trauer. All right. We are now in a closed session. Appreciate you guys being here.