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[0:05] Okay, this is the meeting of the Urdu City Council being held. I don't know why I took those off.
[0:11] Held on Thursday, May 28th, 2026, 7 o'clock PM at the Urdu City Fire Station, 2163 West Urdu
[0:18] Way. We'll have a roll call, Kyle Matthews, Clyde Christianson, Scotter Bay, Larry Kimpel,
[0:30] I'm Sheldon Birch, I'm here. We have our city attorney and our city recorder and our deputy
[0:35] city record with us as well. And we'll now have the Pledge of Allegiance led by Keith
[0:40] Tum.
[0:48] To the flag on behalf of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands
[0:55] one occasion on behalf of the indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[1:08] And we can open our meeting now for public comment. I motion we open our public comment
[1:13] period.
[1:13] All in favor?
[1:16] Aye.
[1:17] Thank you.
[1:19] Any comments from the room today?
[1:28] Yeah.
[1:29] I have
[1:34] a chat.
[1:35] Yes.
[1:35] I'll keep your real quick.
[1:42] Thank you very much.
[1:46] Thank you, sir.
[1:48] Thank you.
[1:50] Will you turn your mic off?
[1:53] Turn your mic on there.
[1:54] Is that one on?
[1:59] Over here.
[2:00] So hopefully you get recorded.
[2:03] All right, gentlemen.
[2:04] So I'm assuming we're doing this this week because we just missed you guys on the last meeting, but for April of 2026, we have 90 or 12 calls for service in the current area.
[2:16] No of those calls for service. We made 12 arrests and then 99 citations were issued very traffic enforcement.
[2:24] A couple of other simple things there was multiple DUIs that were removed off the road.
[2:33] We did have a reporter, a child abuse,
[2:36] and it's our defectors were able to work with the child
[2:42] and they didn't get enough to make an arrest on that case as well.
[2:46] And then we have multiple marijuana possession here.
[2:50] So it's an answer to what's going to come down a little bit.
[2:55] but not only having one criminal court case,
[2:59] but it's very questions or make a way
[3:04] to take back to the patrol.
[3:08] None for me.
[3:10] No.
[3:11] Okay, thank you.
[3:14] Just for clarification, this does appear
[3:17] to be the same report that I read in the last meeting.
[3:20] So I guess we just added a second time.
[3:30] We're ending public comment period.
[3:33] Well, all right, did you want to do that?
[3:35] out in the AmeriCorps, that's all right.
[3:37] Yeah, okay, great.
[3:39] So, I spoke that from our from the very district
[3:43] by the ultimate university as well
[3:45] to the sleep of the last reading
[3:47] because the rid of the letter and you guys did that.
[3:52] But that's later on in the age of the day prior.
[3:56] Anyway, we did two or three calls.
[4:00] The voice along, although being reduced this month,
[4:04] it looks like the home needed medical
[4:08] for our calls. Also, we did start a couple of while-lying calls,
[4:14] integrated, so a little bit. That season is started. So, I want your
[4:19] distance will space down, refresh, wait, so like that.
[4:25] Questions for me. We say you have two calls on there. Yes, but one was on
[4:31] I'm sure we're going to be able to see if there's any further questions.
[4:39] I already started.
[4:41] I'm going to be able to learn a certain height it's supposed to be kept through.
[4:44] Yes, sir.
[4:45] If you have more than five acres, you have to have a 24-foot width around your property.
[4:51] Less than five acres.
[4:56] 24-foot width of what?
[4:57] A 24-foot half of six inches of piers.
[5:01] Yeah.
[5:01] So around your power, you want 20 feet, six inches.
[5:06] Okay.
[5:07] And if you're less than five meters,
[5:09] it's people that want to keep up less than six inches.
[5:14] And less than screen,
[5:15] vice vegetation,
[5:16] environment,
[5:19] trees,
[5:19] stuff like that.
[5:20] Obviously,
[5:23] it's just,
[5:25] maybe it's good.
[5:28] Thank you.
[5:30] Motion, we close follow comment?
[5:32] All in favor?
[5:34] All in favor?
[5:35] Aye.
[5:36] Okay.
[5:37] Passes.
[5:37] Next item is to approve our minutes from the last meeting.
[5:42] I did review them.
[5:43] I did make a comment about a change.
[5:46] I have not seen if that change was added to the minutes yet.
[5:50] That change was added in the new minutes.
[5:53] It was stated that no motion was made by someone previously.
[5:58] We just clarified why we didn't take any action.
[6:06] To engage in the lawsuit.
[6:10] Great.
[6:12] No motion. We approve our minutes.
[6:15] No, in favor.
[6:18] Hi, thank you.
[6:20] Consideration of ordinance number 26-07 and ordinance of the
[6:24] or to sit, or to counsel, regulating, preventing and banning the discharge of fireworks within
[6:29] certain areas of the city. We have the map that has been provided to us. It appears
[6:36] to be the same map that we have used the last, at least the last, I don't know, three years,
[6:43] I think, correct? And all five years or four years, whatever it's been. So any discussion
[6:52] on this. So what about just said, I don't know how to do it. It seems to me like you're like this.
[7:13] My question is, can we can we invent this? Is that the single finalist stand up for this year?
[7:24] You can have manned it on advice of your fire chief based upon his opinion.
[7:40] So
[7:43] it doesn't include areas where there are a lot of homes in it.
[7:48] The green area is where it would be allowed.
[7:51] Isn't that basically the church fund?
[7:57] No, it's
[8:01] between SR 36 and Rose Springs on the west.
[8:08] All the way east of Rose Creek.
[8:17] And then it's what is it?
[8:19] Bates Canyon on the north.
[8:21] And is that heard away on the south?
[8:24] Or is that church road on the south?
[8:27] I'm not sure.
[8:28] Should be to that to say.
[8:32] I looked at it, but I don't remember.
[8:35] Maybe it's in our description here.
[8:40] I don't think so.
[8:40] I think it just refers to the math.
[8:43] Well, I'm in favor of banning it this year.
[8:47] I have a hard time with that.
[8:49] I don't know.
[8:52] I know there's a lot of people who feel that way. There's also a lot of people who really like fireworks.
[9:03] So it's the top line.
[9:05] And Simarons the south side.
[9:11] There's plenty of open fields in that area. But do you know how this map was drawn in the first place?
[9:17] So, when we originally did it, we did it based on the areas of what we're trying to do is
[9:26] and it's limited.
[9:28] And inside of the city, it's easier because also it's curbing better at presses and stuff like that.
[9:35] So, I don't have a lot of other education.
[9:37] I'm here earlier.
[9:38] It's difficult because the cities don't necessarily think the residential areas don't have curbing.
[9:46] And so I still have a ditch. I still have. So, honestly, I'm on board with, I can have some of you raise your condition.
[9:55] The problem that I have with many is not just that people like fireworks. It's those people who like fireworks are going to go someplace else to shoot fireworks.
[10:07] Then usually that's a big scan, and then I have a fire of a big scan, but I don't have
[10:13] homes of big scan, and so the way off, the payoffs and the week's measures are difficult.
[10:21] That's right.
[10:21] I'm remembering that discussion from previous years about how we felt like it was better
[10:27] to allow some in a certain area than it is to ban it because of the risk of it going
[10:31] to the wrong place.
[10:32] I don't know if that's true, it's pretty subjective, but...
[10:36] Absolutely, subjective.
[10:38] So my recommendation, obviously, would be to keep them after way it is.
[10:45] And then let's look at it next year to restrict those faces a little bit closer.
[10:50] So it's just those residential calms and keeps the area away from the fields and the higher hazards.
[11:01] So what we did that this year, for example, the MAC was due by tomorrow at the reverse.
[11:13] And so I don't really have a lot of time to make them in this, but then we have, if we
[11:20] did take it where the area should be, and you get, it's up to you as a senior counsel
[11:27] to make that vote, not to be inspired, not to make it a condition, but it's your work.
[11:35] It's your work.
[11:36] Like what you say goes, I just support you guys.
[11:40] If you want, we can do it.
[11:43] It requires a vote, and you're not going to need it until after the back of the state.
[11:52] So frankly, your choices are accepted, and I have to work.
[11:58] So here's what's on my mind,
[12:02] south of Urdua, there's gasoline waiting to be burnt, we call it
[12:08] cheats grass. And north of Church River, all the old wailing property is the same condition.
[12:17] And it won't take, you won't take a match to set that off.
[12:27] So at a hard time, seeing people that live on the Galilean church road,
[12:33] similar on being able to set off fireworks.
[12:39] Because they won't, they won't have to land on fire in order to let it.
[12:45] And those fields specifically will burn like gas.
[12:48] Of
[12:53] course,
[12:57] there's the option of just banning aerials.
[12:59] right so there can only be stuff on the ground.
[13:04] I think we could modify our ordinance that in that regard, but I'm not sure.
[13:08] Well, I can set on my front porch and around the fourth and the 24th and I know that they're not just being shot off in these two designated areas are gone.
[13:21] Anybody that's got them shooting them off of their house, they're not going to a central place to shoot them.
[13:27] Yeah, so what does that mean for us the fire starts are liable for the fire either way. I think whether they're legal or illegal, but that's what I don't understand. I don't understand. Does this banning them actually accomplish something or not?
[13:50] Yeah, I don't know.
[13:52] The thing with ban on them is how we're going to get the word up.
[13:55] Where everybody knows it for ban.
[13:58] Well, stop them.
[13:59] It's a big sign on their marquee.
[14:02] They have whether fire stations.
[14:03] So everybody going in and out ignorance of the law is not an excuse.
[14:08] But certainly people expect communication from us.
[14:16] We've
[14:23] already had internal specials in the city of campaigns and civil science, the state.
[14:29] A little fight losing stands very, there's no fireworks in the stand very, part of the county.
[14:37] That's where we mostly have our big problems.
[14:39] If anyone's listening, no one listens.
[14:43] It's a fire pressure, but I think it's very, very difficult to see.
[14:52] So, Lake Point City does a permit system. What does that accomplish exactly?
[14:57] So, it's working.
[15:00] Public education systems, that's how they have it, how they have it done. If you like to choose fireworks, you go to the city recorder. She gives you their ordinance. And inside their ordinance has education material. Don't don't shoot fireworks. You have this feature. You have to order early March to fly and then chill and then the city recorder will allow the permits to be given.
[15:29] even if it's right next to a middlefall or something like that and so they have a little
[15:37] bit of a little bit of say to whether they have a little bit of shooters as well, it's
[15:45] a little bit of a burden on just the record however there's a $25 fee that is associated
[15:53] with that permit that pays for that time.
[15:55] How long has that permit allowed for?
[15:59] I don't know.
[16:02] I assume it's that you only get 24 hours a day after.
[16:06] So I'm assuming it's three days.
[16:09] Three days.
[16:11] Because the.
[16:14] It will change.
[16:19] Should I get it for both?
[16:21] Just for the July.
[16:22] I don't remember.
[16:26] I don't I don't.
[16:27] I don't know.
[16:29] So I guess the same as it is of me, seeing the list.
[16:33] I think it's too late for, yeah, we can't do it this year, but it's something to talk
[16:38] about.
[16:40] I do like the permit idea at all.
[16:42] That's what Lake Point does, too.
[16:44] That's what I was talking about.
[16:46] I attended the Lake Point City Council meeting, and that's where I heard the idea.
[16:50] I just am not sure if it, what it accomplishes.
[16:53] So we presented the idea to you guys here before last year.
[17:00] I just decided to see what the map was.
[17:06] That's fine.
[17:07] Yeah.
[17:07] I don't remember.
[17:08] So it's probably good for you to remind us.
[17:13] Well,
[17:16] not a fireworks person.
[17:17] Yeah.
[17:18] But people are just because I'm not.
[17:21] There was people are.
[17:22] I traditionally am,
[17:23] but I have not felt good about it the last few years.
[17:26] and we do a few little things in my house, but we're careful and reserved and usually
[17:33] don't allow any aerials because of the risk, you know.
[17:38] I take them someplace else where it's allowed and where it's safer.
[17:43] I just don't know if we accomplish something by banning it or not, that's what I don't
[17:47] understand.
[17:47] they're still going to happen. That's what I'm wondering. Yeah. So by, by,
[17:57] yeah. Yeah. Where do we do it? The ballpark?
[18:18] I
[18:22] think I could be swayed either way probably.
[18:26] That'd be a good idea and then we can take a whole year to educate people.
[18:31] Next year, we're going to either ban them or no aerials or whatever it is.
[18:37] That's my strength to map.
[18:38] Yeah.
[18:40] Next.
[18:40] Thanks.
[18:41] Thank you.
[18:45] I can work on.
[18:46] Continue.
[18:47] You're probably able to.
[18:48] Is that something to do that?
[18:50] But then.
[18:52] It's worth looking at.
[18:53] I just.
[18:54] I don't like making different government more difficult.
[18:56] I don't.
[18:57] I just want to make sure we're serving.
[18:59] The citizens.
[18:59] And of course we have.
[19:01] One set of citizens that are very concerned about this.
[19:03] And another set of citizens that want to be able to light fireworks.
[19:06] So.
[19:08] and they're both. So yeah. Okay. Well, it sounds like we have a couple people in favor.
[19:14] Does anybody want to make a motion? We've got multiple people here with different opinions.
[19:19] The motion to accept completely this.
[19:30] Anyone go to second?
[19:31] I'll second. Okay. Kyle, how do you vote? Yes.
[19:35] Yes.
[19:36] Slide.
[19:36] Yes.
[19:37] Scott.
[19:41] Larry.
[19:42] Yes.
[19:43] Sheldon I.M.
[19:45] Yes.
[19:46] Okay.
[19:47] Thank you.
[19:53] Let's see.
[19:55] Number six is the discussion of our proposed budget for next year, 2026, 2027 budget.
[20:03] We need to have our public hearing and any discussion on it, which do we want to do first?
[20:14] I agree. I don't know. I just I'm not sure why we haven't changed any of the things that we discussed last week or last time, but
[20:30] And then we
[20:35] also have discussed whether we need to increase our salaries and wages under
[20:39] the recorder category because we have discussed increasing Jocelyn's hours, pay a little
[20:52] hours. I don't know because I don't know where we are year to date.
[21:06] No it's on the one two three
[21:09] fourth page so actual for fiscal year 25 was 47,000 that was before we hired Jesse Lynn our budget
[21:17] for 2026 or 60,000. I don't know where we're at compared to our budget for 2026.
[21:36] Okay,
[21:47] maybe we can see it. What's on the second page? Well, those are expenditures. Okay, so budget.
[21:55] So fiscal year 25, we budgeted for 47,000 and we extended 77,000.
[22:03] In fiscal year 26, we budgeted for $60,000, and it says expenditures of $86,000, but I'm surprised that that is in perfectly round number, so no, that's a budget, not an expenditure,
[22:23] but that doesn't make sense. How can we have budgeted for $60 and budgeted for $86?
[22:28] 6. That's total. That's not only way because it's benefits.
[22:34] Oh, okay. So that's the full budget. Okay. That's this budget breaks down all of that. I see that.
[22:41] So we still don't know where we are here today and whether we need to increase it or not.
[22:51] Where are
[22:54] we
[23:07] at?
[23:08] She says she's trying to find the most recent one.
[23:10] And we
[23:14] also don't yet have our police fees.
[23:18] I don't know has this, the dispatch fee,
[23:21] has our budget been a, we do have our new dispatch fees.
[23:26] So has the budget, is the budget appropriate
[23:27] based on our new dispatch fee that we just signed
[23:30] as with the interlocal?
[23:33] Okay.
[23:36] And when I spoke with the sheriff, my manager,
[23:38] he said it wasn't anticipated much of an increase
[23:42] if there was. We had we had a padding. That seemed like to me was going to cover that. Okay. Good.
[23:52] Any luck finding that, Jim?
[23:59] Can you just tell us where we are on salaries and wages?
[24:10] We don't have lines.
[24:16] We're in city quarter, city recorder, general fund, continued under salaries and wages where it breaks down, salaries, wages, benefits, office, supplies, and then it has a total number and we're just wondering what the salaries and wages are.
[24:34] What benefits would there be?
[24:49] Okay, so we don't know the number. So let's find out the number. Scott, can you find out the number and just make sure the budget's prepared with an appropriate number and for next time.
[25:00] So what's our proposal to increase?
[25:03] We don't know until we know what the number is.
[25:05] We need to know where we are at year-to-date compared to our budget.
[25:11] Are we at budget?
[25:12] Are we below budget?
[25:13] Are we above budget for the current year?
[25:23] And so then the follow-up question is do we have enough slush in there to handle increasing
[25:28] suggestions hours or do we need to increase it? So how much do we need to increase that?
[25:39] Just talking about more hours per day. Yes, so she's currently approved at 10 to 12 hours a week
[25:45] and I'd like to propose that we increase her to 15 to 18 hours a week.
[25:59] So just make sure our
[25:59] budget number is appropriate to handle that. She's good with that. I hope so.
[26:11] That's primarily because
[26:13] I'm seeing we're pushing the limits of those hours already with the way the city is growing
[26:19] and their responsibilities are growing. So, in order to-
[26:23] We're trying to talk about 18 hours.
[26:28] Yeah, so it's not a big increase.
[26:31] But she would extend as well-
[26:32] The 50% increase for Gessiline.
[26:35] Oh, thanks.
[26:36] Especially the number of hours.
[26:39] You're going to have to go to every hour.
[26:41] and that should help prevent us from having Jennifer going over her a lot of
[26:49] hours yeah yeah okay
[26:56] any other discussion on the budget okay I'm
[27:00] motion we open public hearing on on the 2026 2027 annual budget all and is
[27:07] that in all in favor? All in favor?
[27:10] Aye.
[27:12] Okay, anyone want to comment on our budget?
[27:20] Yeah, motion to be closed for public hearing.
[27:21] All in favor? Aye.
[27:24] Aye.
[27:24] Thank you.
[27:26] And next item is council representative reports.
[27:29] Kyle.
[27:32] Thank you, Clyde.
[27:35] Went to the planning commission Tuesday night.
[27:38] If they okayed, I'm going to be awarding right on the
[27:44] preliminary black or copper coal with the stipulation that all the trails have to be
[27:53] hard concrete or maybe.
[27:59] I'm glad to hear that, I'm glad to hear both of those things, I believe that was always
[28:04] the intention.
[28:04] They
[28:08] even went to support and make sure they're properly compacted.
[28:12] No, they just don't want something put on the ear like it is.
[28:18] Okay.
[28:20] See how that looks out.
[28:22] How we enforce that.
[28:25] Spections.
[28:27] I drove by some set last week sometime and went down in.
[28:32] It looks like they've already put their trail in.
[28:34] Yeah.
[28:35] Do you have that?
[28:36] They've got a really nice golf cart road.
[28:40] There are some of the trails already put in there.
[28:45] Okay.
[28:46] Great.
[28:49] Anything else?
[28:50] To report?
[28:52] Nope.
[28:53] Okay.
[28:54] Scott?
[28:56] Larry?
[28:57] Good.
[29:00] Scott, are you planning to attend the RPO meeting, the real planning organization meeting?
[29:08] it is coming up
[29:15] sometime. Let's see.
[29:23] Here it is. It is Monday, June 8, that 130.
[29:31] It's
[29:32] usually in the council chambers. Does it say that here?
[29:42] It doesn't say that here. I
[29:43] don't think but that's what I would assume. There is also a Zoom option.
[29:49] It says 130 p.m.
[29:52] Yep.
[29:58] And the V8.
[30:00] If you can't make it, let me know, and I will see if I can.
[30:09] I like I'm forgetting something.
[30:12] I got something coming up, but they didn't give the date for if we were invited to it.
[30:23] I'm just trying to see if I will sit on it.
[30:29] Thank you.
[30:30] While you find that, we're invited to attend the Energy Solutions Aquatic Center Grand Reopening
[30:36] a re-grand opening on Monday, I think.
[30:44] The grand reopening of the Deseret Peak swimming pool,
[30:50] Deseret Peak Aquatic Center, yeah.
[30:56] Oh, contracts.
[30:58] Clyde, I sent you, I did reach out to the county about renewing our interlocal agreements
[31:03] with the county.
[31:05] They sent me the proposed contract, the county says they are in favor of renewing the
[31:10] contracts. They don't have any problems with that. The, I sent you the proposed contractor.
[31:17] As far as I can tell, there's no change except that we do have to get the new policing
[31:22] number from the county auditor and add that to the contract. So that number's not there.
[31:29] But I emailed that to you in case you want to take a look at it. John, do you need to see
[31:32] that at all? Okay, I'll send that to you as well. We don't have to take any action on that
[31:37] Right. Yeah, but I just want to let you know that I'm working on it.
[31:41] The law enforcement number.
[31:44] So then the number that we pay the county for law enforcement.
[31:47] Oh, money. Yep. Sorry.
[31:53] Well, I guess I guess I'm else left to go through the email to the day.
[31:58] And there's advisory committee at a meeting yesterday.
[32:01] I guess so that doesn't do any.
[32:03] As long as we attend any event, more of it, which advisory committee,
[32:06] are we talking about?
[32:11] I saw that email as well and could not attend. I don't
[32:23] remember what it was for.
[32:29] I think it was was a transportation.
[32:35] I think it was
[32:36] want us to want us there and participating in that discussion and it's a good idea for us to
[32:40] participate in as many of those committees and discussions as possible but I couldn't I couldn't make
[32:46] that one so feel free to go but I think but I think these two are roads department right yeah so if
[32:56] one of them wants to go they should have first dibs. I'll make sure what it's not like this next time
[33:02] no open it up to the right. Okay, sounds good. Did you find it Larry? I did not. Then it's not real.
[33:12] No, I sent a request back to whatever sent that. What day is this? I haven't got anything back. Okay,
[33:22] so I'm not going to worry. If I find it, I'll give you a call. Okay, sounds good.
[33:30] It's all I've got.
[33:34] Motion to adjourn.
[33:36] Wait, John says no.
[33:43] Oh, yes, yes.
[33:50] So may I ask questions about it now?
[33:54] Yeah, I don't either, but I read through it.
[33:57] It didn't seem to really enlighten me very much.
[34:00] It didn't seem to have, it didn't seem to draw any real conclusions.
[34:03] Is that your document or was that prepared for us by someone else?
[34:14] Okay, but it...
[34:16] All right. Well, I might need to talk about it with you then because I'm not sure I really understand what the points are that they're making there.
[34:23] As I read it, I just didn't follow it very well.
[34:26] Did you send one to everybody?
[34:28] Yeah.
[34:28] I'll just spend a second.
[34:30] Well, two weeks ago, oh, I might have been gone.
[34:35] And maybe just for the public discourse,
[34:38] can you give us an update on the lawsuit?
[34:42] Yeah, I have a hearing.
[34:44] And Jeff took under advised.
[34:47] And said, another day, thank you, you're welcome.
[34:52] Welcome to welcome.
[34:53] You left us now.
[34:56] So we thought the judge was going to rule on our hearing
[34:59] two weeks ago he did not rule he asked for more time basically right yeah yeah okay all right
[35:13] anything else should
[35:18] we make a real motion to adjourn next I
[35:22] motion to the adjourn all in favor bye thanks