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Good evening. Good evening. I'd like to welcome all to our regular council meeting for the

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Corporation of Tone of Espionola, Tuesday, November 26, 2024 at 7 p.m. Council chambers 100

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touchable street. Please note this meeting will be live streamed. First order of business is our

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indigenous land acknowledgement statement. We would like to begin this meeting by acknowledging

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the robbers of here in treaty of 18. Sorry. Sorry about that. Councillor, we were on mute on your end. But that's

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okay. I didn't want to interrupt the flow if you were starting, but I can hear it out. Yeah, we've just

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thrived at the indigenous i.e. acknowledgement our apology. Right on, having missed much

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budget. All right, we're going to do this, land acknowledgement statement. We'd like to begin this

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meeting by acknowledging the robbers of here in treaty of 1850 and acknowledging the Tone of Espionola is located

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on the traditional territories of the White Fish River First Nation, Sagamac, anishanabic, anishanabic, anishanabic, anishanabic.

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We acknowledge this as part of our commitment to truth and reconciliation with indigenous peoples and to work together

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for our future generations. Next door of business, disclosure of any pecuniary interest and general nature thereof.

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See, none. See as delegations and petitions, we have delegation from the Espionola Regional Hospital and Health Center, Jane

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by the Stelling. See you all in our doctor, Rob, the badge, chief of staff. Would you like me to give you a presentation?

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Thanks.

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All right, thank you, Mayor Jurbe, which also has been town council for the opportunity to share this presentation with you.

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So we want to share a little bit of information about Espionola Regional Hospital, so we are at health care

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campus. We deliver care and services through a patient-centered, collaborative model

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through the hospital, walk-room care home, family health teams, seniors, assisted living and non-profit housing.

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So we're committed to providing access to core patient services to espionola and area residents, as well as expanding the level of service to keep patient care and closer to home.

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So we offer emergency department, we have mental health and addictions crisis worker and emergency department, nurse navigators

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and in the acute care medical unit. We have diagnostic imaging, cardiac testing, outpatient lab services,

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co-patient physiotherapy, and we support onsite services with partners through our family health teams, such as

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geriatric behavioral supports, telemedicine, palliative complex care, home community care, audiology, sleep lab, and pulmonary function tests,

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and put care, navigation, and rapid access to addiction medicine clinic.

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We have seniors assisted living, as I said, and non-profit housing. And we continually advocate for the

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expansion and enhancement and coordination of our rural health health model. We're making enhancements to our long-term care home

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to support quality of life for our residents. We're committed to education and training and have developed a rural simulation program

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to enhance critical care education and training in our emergency department.

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In terms of just the past year, we thought we'd give you some statistics on how we're serving our community.

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So we've carried forward 13,000 patients in our emergency department, which runs 24 or 7.

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We admitted 722 patients through the emergency department, and 70% of those we carried within our own hospital,

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so they received care close to home. About 30% were transferred to HSN, or other tertiary facilities for a higher level of care,

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meaning the cardiology or ICU of statrics, or psychiatry. Our lab department has performed over 175,000 inpatient and outpatient tests.

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We performed performed multiple x-rays, ultrasound, cardiac testing, and we've seen an increase in average increase of 120% in our diagnostic imaging department

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tests over the past five years. We provide primary care to over 49, 100 loss of patients throughout family health team, through our live family physicians that work there.

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And this year, we hosted a visit with the ADM of health and a delegation from Ontario Health and we really highlighted our rural health campus model

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and advocated for equity and access to care and services to meet the rural means of our community.

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Rob's going to talk to you on the health care run in eight and a moment.

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Thank you very much for letting us talk for a few minutes.

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So I'm sure if you've either experienced health care or listen to the news in the last few years, you know that since COVID health care has really been struggling

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and one of the big challenges human resources and lack of physicians, nurses, and physiosocial workers.

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A lot of people retired, you know, a lot of people have burnt out, and so it's been very challenging.

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So every hospital health care institution is kind of fighting for the to recruit people, which is a challenge.

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I think, you know, one of the, you know, I think I've worked in Espanola for 30 years along with being in Subbury in Xena, you know, some big changes.

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Right now, we have over 1100 patients in this area, and they don't have a family physician or nurse practitioner, which is a huge challenge.

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I mean, all of health care falls apart without primary care.

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So what happens is a lot of these patients end up going to the emergency department for things that could be dealt with in a family doctor's office, and it shouldn't be followed by one person in a long term.

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So that's obviously let, if you've been in the emergency department, much longer weeks, they're not the 12, 15 hours that were seen in Subbury, but they're longer than they used to be.

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We've also seen like huge, so we see a lot of our patients with these primary care needs, we see a lot more people suffering from mental health problems or addiction issues.

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In an chronic disease, and if people are getting their chronic diseases manage, they have no, you know, by the time they show up in the emergency, they're often very sick.

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I've diagnosed cancer a lot more in the last sense of COVID than I ever in the emergency department.

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That's not the place you should be diagnosed in cancer, and we're doing that an alarming rate.

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This fall, I've seen more respiratory illnesses than in my 30 years in practice, everybody's got in the morning.

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So I'm not sure what happens when the flu season hits, but not too promising.

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As James said, you know, we have a lot of care is provided in the Espanola hospital, but we still rely on HSN for specialized care, like cardiology, psychiatry, surgery, internal medicine.

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And the challenges, there have been huge, ship beds, challenges at HSN, so it means that patients are out in the state, in Espanola waiting for beds, and those patients for an inch of ground, we're waiting 10 days, two weeks, which is really unacceptable, unless they're kind of deemed life and limb.

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You know, we've seen, like I said, a lot more substance use a lot more overdoses, Espanola, and Manitulin have three times the provincial average, so that's a huge problem.

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You know, just the challenges with getting nursing and hiring enough nurses and keeping our nurses.

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And I think it's real credit to the team here that they've been able to work in a very hard to keep this hospital going.

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So as far as recruitment priorities, prior to COVID, the emergency department schedule and hospital schedule.

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So hospitalists are the physicians that look after when you stay in the hospital was always full.

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We had no problems scheduling physicians, we had a lot of physicians coming from February or in place that's willing to work in the emergency department or cover the invasions.

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Since COVID, that's been a challenge.

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Now, when the schedule initially comes out, there's about 20% of the shifts that are covered.

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And there's, again, you know, the team has stepped up to the plate and covered shifts.

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Sometimes it's been at the last minute.

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Sometimes we've had to get physicians from other parts of Monterey.

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We'll come in at the last minute to avoid things like you may have heard this in the last week.

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There was Saint Joseph Island had to close their emergency department, blind member came very close.

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But again, in credit to the leadership of the hospital and to the team, nurses and physicians that have stepped up in working extra hours to keep the place open.

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And, you know, so we need to be able to recruit more physicians more nurses to this hospital.

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Yeah, for to work in the emergency department or the hospital.

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But also, like I said, primary care is really the foundation of patient care and keeping people healthy and preventing hospitalizations.

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And, you know, right now, like I said, there's over 1100 patients that don't have either nurse practitioner or a physician.

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So that's very important.

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Right now, you know, the hospital is providing, using a lot of their own money to try to recruit physicians and nurse practitioners to the community.

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And offering, you know, various, you know, interest-free loans and, you know, incentives to come.

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But, you know, right now we need, like, two nurse practitioners, we need two family doctors to fill that void.

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So, you know, to help those 1100 patients.

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But, you know, a lot of people have, I'm sure you guys know this.

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But I see a lot of patients have moved up from a down south in the last few years, because probably a combination is cheaper.

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But they all think they're going to get a family doctor when they come up here, and they couldn't get one 20 years ago.

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So they're not getting one now, so it's very challenging.

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So, just in terms of town, of us in all the partnerships, we're very grateful for the partnerships we've had.

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And through town council support, you are directly contributing to improving access to care, and the enhancements of services across our health campus.

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So, your contributions have helped us to support recruitment incentives for an emergency department nurse practitioner who directly contributes to the recruitment and retention of physicians.

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We did lose physicians when we didn't have that support, and now that supports back in our emergency department, we're seeing physicians are more willing to pick up shifts and work because there is help for them.

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They work 12 hour 24 hour shifts, so having nurse practitioner to help them is very helpful.

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And this also, your support also helped us to run some campaigns for frontline nurses and incentives there.

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Your commitment to health care has supported two delegations with the Ministry of Health, so one was a mental home addictions, delegation, and we were able to acquire funding for withdrawal management bed funding.

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And that allowed us to support a crisis worker named emergency department who is essential to helping to manage those patients that come in with mental health and addictions and connecting them to services and connecting them to any services they might need at a tertiary center.

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As well as the last delegation with Mayor Duray and Joseph, where we did some advocacy for CT scan in 2023.

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We have put in a state-to-one submission to the Ministry.

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It has gone through Ontario Health North.

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It's been approved there and it's escalated to the Ministry right now so we're waiting for an answer.

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A CT would be a game changer essential for us in the emergency department.

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It would keep patients closer to home.

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It would keep nurses in the department and not in ambulances down the highway transferring patients as well as in the area and physician for medical learners.

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It also provides them a different experience as well if they're learning in the emergency department.

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So I think through other partnerships like to community safety well being planned.

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Our community care leadership planning table.

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Our recent submission for an expression of interest for health Canada or to see treatment fund to have more access to crisis workers and mental health supports in the system.

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And other opportunities to explore seniors housing.

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I think those partnerships are essential for us to improve access to care and services in the community.

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So we very much thank you for that.

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So we thank you for the opportunity to present tonight and hoping that if there's a way you can match last year's contribution to our recruitment incentives that would be much appreciated.

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So thank you for your time and if there's any questions.

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Is there a council or do you think?

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You send you short to physicians and to nurse practitioners that.

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The normal.

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Councillor.

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Do you have to see a little bit closer to your mic please.

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Thank you.

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Last month was further.

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Do you get the question?

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So with the number of unattached patients that we're seeing in the community.

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We could in speaking with the physicians of the family health team.

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There is room for two more full-time family practitioners in the family health team.

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In terms of nurse practitioners we have two vacancies of our current positions of nurse practitioners.

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It's been extremely hard to recruit into those positions.

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Councillor Calione.

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Of course I just want to take the time to thank both of you for coming in today.

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This is you know even outside of the towns regular contribution which as a member of council I'm more than happy to support again for another year.

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I feel you know the information you've given us today is very valuable as decision makers and I and I just want to to commend you commend your team and all the wonderful work you do.

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And I'm pleased from what I've heard from residents of very high amount of respect in this community and it's very well deserved.

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I don't envy the position that some front line health care workers are in it's a tough job.

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And I guess my only question would be in terms of some of the incentives we're currently providing to attract those in primary care.

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How do we stack up compared to comparable health centres say in northern Ontario like are we?

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Are there ways we can feasibly measure that, measure the success of recruitment strategies? How do you go about that?

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I think in terms of our recruitment strategies, we are similar to other small role in the communities.

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It's unfortunate we're all competing with each other, and we all have limited abilities to support some incentives.

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So it's collaboration, it's working together and trying to figure out how we can work to bring and attract physicians to our communities.

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So I feel like we're all in the same mode and we're all offering the same type of incentives to get people to come to a small role communities.

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Thank you very much.

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Just to add that, I think one of the great things about Espanola is it is close to submarine, which, you know, as the positives and negatives, but from a medical, trying to recruit people.

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It's probably easier than some of the more isolated communities, you know, especially if, you know, there's there's partners that have different jobs and stuff like that that, you know, they can be closer to a larger center.

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Plus, you know, they, you know, there's some physicians that come out of medical school and medical training and, you know, they don't want to be working in a place that's so far away.

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I mean, you know, like Jane said, I think if we can get this CAT scan or it makes a huge difference.

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It is a game changer, and I mean, I think they'd finally realize that that's, you know, is an essential tool in 2024.

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So, as well, a lot of that, you know, I'm old school and, you know, we can kind of, you know, we're used to working without a CAT scanner and stuff, but I think for a lot of new physicians not having a CAT scanner is kind of scary.

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So having a CAT scanner in near department is going to make a huge difference, and I think just being close to the medical school and the hub, but there's a lot of attraction.

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So I think that that is a big advantage for Espanola.

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And the other questions, these are comments.

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Okay, then I would like to thank you very much for your presentation and your work you do in the community as well, appreciate it.

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And we're all, you sure, health is all in all our minds as a priority.

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And this item will come up at a budget deliberations, and we'll look for it there.

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Thank you.

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So our next order of this is a public hearing.

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If you want.

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Thank you.

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So the first public hearing is at Section T1 of the agenda.

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So under Section 53 of the Planning Act, public hearing is being held to consider the proposed consent application.

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Put forward by Mr. Dan Mascott Senior, pertaining to a lot eight concession five plan and 74, a lot 50 personal, 6449.

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Township of Merritt, town of Espanola, for otherwise known as 454.

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Meet Boulevard.

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The application internal reference is P-0424 and the purpose of the proposed consent is for a lot of addition to be added to a lot eight concession five plan.

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I'm 74, part not 49, partial 13772, Township of Merritt, town of Espanola, also known as 537 John Street.

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Well, just mentioned for the record that this this application came to council previously.

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The conditions of the consent weren't met within the two year timeline.

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I'm going to get this back to to pursue that consent again. It was previously approved by council in 2021.

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As Mr. Bird is indicated, we have two public hearings this evening.

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The intersection 53 of the Planning Act applications, B-O-424.

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B-O-5-24.

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Public hearings are requirement of the Planning Act.

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In accordance with the Planning Act, notice of applications and public hearings must be given in advance.

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Notice of these public hearings were provided by mail to nearby property owners and by posting at the property as for the Planning Act notice requirements.

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If you wish to be notified of the decision of the town of Espanola on the applications, you must make a written request to the town.

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Any specified person or public body who might wish to appeal the decision of the town.

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To the Ontario Land Tribunal, made not later than 20 days after the given notice under subsection 17 of the Planning Act is completed.

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An appeal to the decision or any condition imposed by the council or appeal both the decision and any condition on the Tribunal by filing with the clerk.

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They miss value and notice of appeal, sending out the reasons for the appeal, accompanied by the fee charge by the Tribunal.

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Okay, we will now open the public hearing for consent application, affecting property known as B-C-L-6447.

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Section SWS-Lot 50 Plan M-7-4 Merit, Espanola on 4.54 Mead Boulevard.

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I would like to ask the Deputy Clerk to provide an overview description of the applications.

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The clerk's previously stated this application originally came to council in 2021, where it was approved and in order to the decision was provided to the applicant.

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The conditions were not fulfilled within the a lot of timelines and therefore has lapsed.

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In the circumstances the applicant must start the process by submitting a new application.

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Excuse me, the purpose of the consent application B-04-S-24 is to add a portion of the backyard from a lot of eight session five.

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And M-74-Lot 50, Harsal 6449, Township of Merit, Town of Espanola.

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Known as 454, Mead Boulevard, 2-Lot 8, Concession 5, Plan 74, Plan M-74, sorry.

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Part-Lot 49, Harsal 13772, Township of Merit, Town of Espanola, 537 John Street.

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Each lot will require an associated, each lot will require approval of associated minor variance applications to recognize existing or new deficiencies as a result of the consent application.

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Rearances for 454 Mead are required to recognize the reduced lot frontage for 16.5 Meaders is required and 15.24 Meaders is provided.

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And front lot depth were 5 Meaders is required and 3.6 Meaders is provided.

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A variance is needed for 537 John Street to recognize the reduced lot frontage were 16.5 Meaders is required and 15.24 Meaders is provided.

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Thank you.

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At this time in the applicant, make comments if they are present.

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That's fine.

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Hello everyone.

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I'm just a little bit concerned about a minor variance on both properties because both properties have been there for like my house at 90 years old.

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The house that I sold my son is 70 years old, 60 years old.

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So the frontages and the measurements are not anything to do with what I'm asking for.

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I mean, that has been in place.

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It's documented somewhere in his building.

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I'm just looking at the sever piece of property to give to my son.

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That's all I wanted to do, but now I'm asked, I don't know if it's a recommendation or whatever it is.

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But two minor variance is not sure what that cost anymore.

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It gets around 1200 bucks.

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But I don't see the reason for minor variance on either property.

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Like the only problem with it is because it's too close for the road, but every house is if there's so many houses in this town that take the old, like the older homes in this town, or I'll build like that.

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So it's not anything I've done.

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I'm not doing anything else with that property except for severing it.

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Yeah, I can comment.

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I do understand Mr. mascot's frustration.

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It is a legal requirement unfortunately, so it's not something that we have control over.

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When you, when you pursue a consent and the lot fabric changes, you lose your legal non-conforming in this case status for existing structures.

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So you're required then to recognize those deficiencies through minor variances.

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So because you've you've changed the lots there by creating essentially two new lots that are of different dimension than the original lots.

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You lose the non-conforming status. So we've had this come up in my time already with the town.

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So where we've had to to recognize existing deficiencies.

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In fact, we the council recently did so on a matter pertaining to a property on side road where there were existing deficiencies that had to be recognized through minor variances for the existing structures.

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So I understand and it is a requirement of the legislation not the time.

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Did you sit to legal require?

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Yes, of the planning act.

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Okay. I mean, I'd have to see some, I'd like to see some of that.

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You know, I mean, if I have something in writing, I need to look at.

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Because if something is not my problem, but my house has built that close.

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I realize you're saying it all, it's all a new property now, but it's just one line, severing.

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I just don't seen a reason for it.

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A minor variance is mostly for building services.

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If you're in a coaching on your lot line or building something, you know, beyond your zoning by law.

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But I can't help that. That's already been, you know, that was already zoned like that.

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That's, that's all I can say. I just don't know why I have to pay the extra for it.

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I've already paid six thousand dollars for a survey.

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If I have 100 bucks to come here, I don't know what I like, what a minor variance is worth out.

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But anyway, it's just, yeah, I just don't see the point.

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Of them, I might just make comment on it that it's, it's, we're talking about regulation and law.

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If it has to be done, I think it's, I have, we all understand it's not something we like to do, but if our hands are tied.

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But if you want to come in get some more information about it.

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Sure.

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I can definitely provide the legal reference.

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I'd like to see the, you know, the legal documentation about it.

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I mean, is it a town by law?

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No, it's the planning issue.

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The province of Ontario that are dictates it.

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And in this case, I'd have to seek the opinion, whether there was relevant case law, but in our, it may be in the courts,

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as well in common law system that we have, not Ontario, but it's not a requirement of any of the towns by laws.

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It's a requirement of the planning act.

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Councilor Dupesign.

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I have a question for Mr. Massplot.

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Yep.

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I don't remember.

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I didn't look it up.

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So, it's been that time.

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You applied the first time.

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Did you, what did you pay that?

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Did you pay, uh, minor variance?

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I paid for minor variance.

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It was, uh, our dot of minor variance.

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It was, whatever the fee was back to pulling one of your dot of the, yeah, the first time.

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I mean, a $400.

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I didn't even realize, I mean, I, I, it must have just slipped my mind, but there was a deadline on it.

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And, of course, I mean, unfortunately, things didn't work out for me at that time, so I couldn't get the procedure done like the survey and that.

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But, uh, anyway, that application is lapsed.

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Yes, I see that.

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I'm just wondering is, at that time, did you see payboard that included the time lapse of two years?

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You remember that?

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Or would that be a part of our system to inform our citizens of time lapse?

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I mean, you know, even, uh, sorry, uh, closer to the deadline.

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Like, was I, was I notified?

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Did you have it on some paperwork that, uh, two years?

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Yeah, two years to complete this?

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I'd not, I'd have to look that way.

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I'd have to look that way.

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But then I asked Mr. Burke, do you, are you aware of that?

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The original decision on the consent actually sent one year, uh, in 2022,

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the planning act changed and allowed it to be two years?

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So again, that the amount of time for it to lapse is not a town policy.

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It's a planning act, provincial policy that we don't have control over.

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So for that reason, his he was provided with more time.

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And, uh, yes, I did have communication with Mr. mascot, uh, my email and over the telephone regarding the deadline.

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Uh, during that period.

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And I don't believe your question about the minor variance that a fee in application was not submitted

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for the minor variance is I recollect only for the consent, which was approved conditionally,

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but I don't believe Mr. mascot proceeded with the minor variance and paid for that at that time.

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I thought that was your question earlier.

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You speak about the severing?

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Yes, he paid the severance fee.

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In consent application, that was paid.

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But there wasn't a, a minor variance fee was in paid for at that time,

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because an application wasn't submitted yet.

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So here, I thought I, maybe I misunderstood your question.

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I thought it was the, whether the minor variance fee had been paid in the, in the ass,

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but it has as in it.

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But you also, uh, consulted jail Richards on this,

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uh, on this, and they recommended, uh, minor variance.

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There are various reasons on that. That is, to me, with the application is basically lapsed, dull and void. I mean, if there's anything about it, and also it's a recommendation, I don't know if it's not mandatory, unless it's written, plain in the act.

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Yes. The recommendation from jail Richards was based on the legal requirement.

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Of course, councils can make decisions, as they see fit, and they don't, they can then find themselves in precarious legal situations if they make decisions that are not legal.

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So, the recommendation from jail Richards is based on what is legally required. They are the consultants, though. So, yes, they're, my nature, their recommendations are just that, and we are the ones who have to then decide what it is we want to do.

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So, certainly this is unfortunate, and maybe it's something that we should be advocating to the problems about, but this is illegal.

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The minor variances are an illegal requirement, so not requiring that would be to make a decision as a council that is in contravention of the planning act.

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So, the minor variances, because the law is only 50 feet wide, according to this, and it should be 54 according to this.

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And does that mean that anybody else that comes in a town comes in and asks for a permit to build or to do anything on their property?

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Or is it going to have to pay because the town built those lots that way? That doesn't seem right to me.

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Do you mean a peak in law with an existing structure on it, or do you mean talking like in this particular case? There's already houses on there. They've been there forever. The town that designed it this way?

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They're 50 feet wide. And now they're saying they need a variance because they should be 54.

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So, I'm not 100% sure on the dimensions you're mentioning, but in the event that someone wanted to build, they could build according to what is there.

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The illegal non-conforming status, which is what people often refer to as grandfathering in, would apply.

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But it's because the lot dimensions, the lot lines are changing, so it loses its grandfathered status, let's call it, which is legal non-conforming.

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But they're not changing from the 50 feet. The 50 feet is still that one lot. It's a parcel at the back.

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You're effectively creating a new lot now with new dimensions, so it no longer gets its legal non-conforming status.

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The same thing happened on 134. I wrote a few weeks ago. The house I believe was not set back enough.

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I can't remember the details, but similarly, the minor variances were required. They were paid for it.

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We did that application all in one go. That's an option that was provided to the applicant to have the consent and the minor variances all considered in one shot.

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That was the building. That was to build the triplex over there?

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So that's a whole different ballgame.

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But it isn't because there's an existing house on that lot and a shed, and the house and the shed had deficiencies.

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As soon as you sever property, you lose that time that legal non-conforming status.

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I disagree with that because if anybody down the second street, John Street, Mead Street, we're all too close to the road.

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If anybody wants anything, we're all going to have to face it.

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Only if you're changing the lot fabric or if you are wanting to encroach further into the minimum front yard set back.

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If you are simply tearing down and rebuilding and you are changing the lot fabric, then you wouldn't require minor variances.

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Can I say one more thing? I mean, it's in the planning act you say.

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Nobody could sever a lot now without making it sound like a new lot.

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Because it doesn't meet today's standard because it's not 60 by 120 or so far from the middle of the road that somebody has to pay for that.

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Like that I bought this house three, four years ago.

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I've been standing there for 90 years and I also don't have to pay just because I want to give my son a gift.

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It just doesn't seem fair to me at all.

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It doesn't sound fair, but I think we've all been through it.

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Once you've touched that, you've tried to change that a lot in any way.

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I went through it myself, experienced it, and it's, you're opening it up now to a new set of rules.

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That's what it sounds like it is.

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Okay.

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Councillor, just one more question.

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If it's legal, it's legal.

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It's fine.

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What determines the cost of the minor variance?

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Council sets those costs based on staff's recommendations, of course, in the tariff and fee by law.

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And that the costs of the planning applications, various applications, zoning by law, men and women, etc.

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Based on a level of recouping at the expenses we incur to provide that service, like building planning ideally would be a service that is

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that break breaks even so that where you generate enough revenue to cover the cost of delivering that service.

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So that's staff hours, etc.

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Now we don't do that in Espinola.

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This time, our fees are not high enough, and when we're not proposing to raise them, we feel that the level is reasonable and that's not unlike others around us.

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But it's, in my experience, rare to be able to recoup all of your expenses for planning, building where we close, which that's a little different, there are some different legal requirements for that.

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But that's what sets the fees.

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So if Council wanted to make a decision on the fees, then that is something within your school period, too.

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Again, one more question.

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I had the lot surveyed, both properties.

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The map is the map from this town, like however old it is, but they've gone from.

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So I'm going to pay for two minor variances, and then what they're going to say, okay, you're allowed to have a 50 foot lot,

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and they could, you're allowed to be 15 feet from the street.

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Like that's just, it's not, it's just isn't fair, like it doesn't say.

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Like it is, it is what it is.

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Anybody that decides they want to sever their property in this town knows that by a minor variance, because they've created the same lot, but now it's considered a new lot, because it changes to sizes.

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The sizes are all the map.

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Not necessarily that depends on the size of the lot, the resulting lot fabric.

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And in your case, that's the unfortunate reality.

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But I understand your frustration, and I just want to make it clear that this is a provincial regulation on the municipal, and we're just simply following the rules of the province.

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And you get it, it's a technicality, and it's unfortunate.

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Councillor Cullionan.

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Yeah, I just wanted to say two things, and the first is that you know, given the age of many communities across the province, I can anticipate that similar scenarios like this one have played out across Ontario, when you have lots that were.

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Designed in parcel been a far different time, and then these requirements are either grandfathered in and they change over time.

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So I can guarantee you there's probably already some municipalities out there who are advocating to the province to change these regulations, and that's certainly something as our CIO indicated that we can look into as a council is we won't solve your problem today.

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But in the long term to prevent things from this happening over and over again in our community, we can't look at ways we can we can advocate for changes to the planning act, but what today comes down to at the end of the day is we can't decide on anything that's going to put the municipalities.

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I'm going to put the municipality and by extension, great pairs and the residents of this community in legal trouble, and we have to go with the laws set and pass down by the province because municipalities are fundamentally creatures of the province.

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So it's a scenario that's played out in all sorts of sectors, not just planning, so I completely get the frustration and frustrates me to.

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If I had my way, you wouldn't have to go through all these hoops to have that have this done, but it's it's the requirements were set through the planning act and we have to follow them and that's I think all that's trying to be communicated today.

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Thank you Councillor. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Meska, we done.

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So there was no written or verbal comments received.

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As part of the planning process, members of the public can't provide written or verbal comments.

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If you wish to speak, we ask that you please state your name and address for the record and then you provide your comments in one statement.

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The public area in process is not intended to be the back and forth members of the public can provide their comments and then we ask that you please return to your seat.

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We also will then advise that they wish for staff to provide any comment.

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You may not return to the podium after you have provided your statements.

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Would that or are there any other members of the public who wish to speak on this item?

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Any further questions or comments?

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Okay, seeing none.

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Is there any other further? Want to speak on the application?

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Please be mindful of the instructions I provide and please ensure you state your name and address for the record.

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Seeing none?

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No further comments?

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The public hearing for application B424 is now closed.

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Next is the public hearing number two.

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Okay.

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I folks from XP development.

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Would you like to do a sound check?

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Here's.

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You say again?

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Can you hear us?

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Not too bad.

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We'll turn it up a little bit on our end just one moment.

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Okay, can you speak again?

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Here else?

389
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Yeah, there we go.

390
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,000
We're good.

391
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Perfect.

392
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:51,000
All right.

393
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,000
So the subject application concerns lands legally described as a lot.

394
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:05,000
Nine, concession five, plan M176, lot eight part, parcel 31453,

395
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Township of Merit, Town of Espanola.

396
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,000
The property is owned R1, residential first density.

397
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,000
The purpose of the consent application is to create a new lot.

398
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,000
The proposed development for each lot is a semi-detached dwelling with two additional residential units

399
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,000
and a third additional residential unit in an incillary structure.

400
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000
The application also seeks an easement for share driveway.

401
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,000
As outlined in the staff report, this proposal conforms to the town zoning by law and official plan,

402
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
while within the urban service area where development is encouraged.

403
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,000
It supports the provincial policy statement by helping to provide an appropriate range in mixed housing options

404
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:51,000
and densities to meet the projected needs of current and future residents.

405
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,000
We'll developing this strategic plan.

406
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,000
A lack of housing options was considered to be the most serious issue.

407
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,000
With an emphasis for the need of a greater variety of housing types,

408
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,000
the proposal directly supports the town's strategic plan or the number one rule is housing.

409
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Further, it supports the growth plan for Northern Ontario for a healthy population,

410
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:18,000
which can be supported and promoted by communities providing a diverse mix of land uses and housing types.

411
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,000
For the reasons stated staff cannot commend the approval of this consent application.

412
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Thank you, Deputy.

413
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:36,000
At this time, the applicants who are joining us can make some comments if you wish.

414
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Sure, so we have our arms over here and this is Paul here.

415
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:50,000
And we just, as you probably are aware, we recently finished the development on second avenue there.

416
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,000
We spent a few months in town to do that.

417
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,000
We had a wonderful experience.

418
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,000
We met some really nice people.

419
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
We worked with some fantastic local...

420
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,000
And we were really eager to continue working in the town. The other thing that happened that we found, I mean, we were told that the need in the town was quite great, but we had several people a day pulling over and coming on to the, you know, on to the job site, we had to stop them, of course. But just to inquire about when the units would be for rent. So obviously the need in town is quite great. And we're really happy to be helping to service that need.

421
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:41,000
In reference to this particular development, the way it is going to be, we are flying for affordable housing funding through CMHC. So there will be a percentage of affordable units.

422
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:55,000
There'll be three out of the units will be at 70% or below median market rent. So median market rent is designated about a thousand dollars a unit for one bedroom.

423
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:06,000
So they'll probably be reading that like those three units will probably be in like the $700 range, which will obviously service the needs of some people in the community in kind of forward market rents.

424
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:21,000
And two of the units, one on each side of the property will be accessible as well. So we did the one accessible unit for the second avenue development there, but we're going to do another two accessible units as part of this development as well.

425
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:34,000
We're just in summary where you get a key coming back to the town. We want to really want to make produced developments that are in in conversation with the with the surrounding homes that are existing there.

426
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:45,000
We don't want to do anything that sticks out as something odd or different. We just want to try and feed in and we want to try and meet in a very obvious need.

427
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Thank you very much.

428
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Thank you very much. Thanks.

429
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Okay, as stated in the previous public hearing, as part of the planning process, members of the public can provide written or verbal comments.

430
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:12,000
If you wish to speak, we ask you please state your name and address for the record and as you provide your comments in one statement.

431
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,000
The public hearing process is not intended to be a back and forth.

432
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Members of the public can provide their comments and then we ask that you please return to your seat.

433
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Council will then advise if they wish for staff to provide any comment and then you may not return to the podium after you've provided your statements.

434
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:37,000
Would that, are there any member of the public wish to speak?

435
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:56,000
He and carbonate delivered 439 gene and I'm sure putting up two four plexus in an R1 is just a little bit, maybe pushing it and then putting two more units on the same small lots.

436
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:16,000
Once you think, once you think that sidewalk street, whatever you want to call it, off the property, it almost looks like there's a little more than 40% of the property covered, which is not allowed in the zoning.

437
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:34,000
And like I don't know why people who are these people that are looking to put this up, why they wouldn't go for property with this different zoning on it already, which allows this without any problems.

438
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:43,000
This is everybody in the neighborhood, now it says all councils already said it's all good and they're going to just push it through anyway.

439
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,000
But has there been an environmental assessment done on that property yet?

440
00:48:48,000 --> 00:49:17,000
Because if it's it's right beside the Life's Life Creek, it's in a floodplain, that property at twice in my lifetime has been underwater and just so they know there's a septic system underneath where they're building from the first building that was on that lot.

441
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:22,000
63 years ago.

442
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:32,000
But has any of that been addressed and the fact that their past the end of the sewer system for servicing.

443
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:46,000
And the fact that a lift station is not required to get to get to the service because that's going to be a big out of cost either to the town or to the developer.

444
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:56,000
But just so you know there's an awful lot of people in the neighborhood that are really upset about it.

445
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:04,000
And I've been elected to come and speak on there behalf.

446
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:08,000
And I for one am not happy with it.

447
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
You want to split a lot.

448
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Make two little lots and put two decent sized homes on it.

449
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,000
There's no problem there.

450
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,000
But I mean it is.

451
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:24,000
It is in a floodplain and if you read through your which I spent the day doing reading through the.

452
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Through the zoning laws, which I am quite familiar with because I actually did a did up an official plan with the zoning bylaws for another township.

453
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
And there's.

454
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,000
There's no way anything that I read through in there.

455
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:49,000
They allow you to build a doplex and then put another doplex on top of it.

456
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,000
In an art one.

457
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,000
I saw nothing in the zoning that's going to allow that.

458
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,000
And then to put another tiny old line.

459
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,000
I don't know.

460
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,000
If this goes through the way it stands.

461
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
I'm losing faith in our council.

462
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Because so many definitely didn't do their homework.

463
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,000
But it's saying that.

464
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Mr. Bert, maybe just bring up the day for the first.

465
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,000
Yes, sir.

466
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,000
The property is owned already for the use.

467
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
It's permitted.

468
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,000
What's on the table tonight is a severance application.

469
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,000
A consent application.

470
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,000
The R1 zone does permit this density of development.

471
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:43,000
Her lot as does the new provincial legislation, which allows for the additional.

472
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Unit.

473
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,000
Accessory to.

474
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:53,000
But I will have to differ to the deputy clerk on on further comment as.

475
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,000
I didn't prepare the report, but I am I am confident in in the.

476
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,000
The termination that the chart on page 25 of the package aligns.

477
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:08,000
What is proposed and what is required and there are no zoning.

478
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,000
Deficiencies from our perspective.

479
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,000
So.

480
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,000
There wouldn't be a zoning by law amendment required.

481
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,000
I believe we have later in our recommendation conditions to.

482
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,000
Ensure the adequate servicing plan as I understand it.

483
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,000
The servicing will require a lift station each building would require.

484
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,000
Some sort of force main pump system, which is not unusual.

485
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,000
The same thing was required on second avenue for the.

486
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
The six bucks I think that was recently put up.

487
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Just due to the grade of the sewer in that area.

488
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,000
So we are working with our consulting engineer.

489
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,000
We are very interested to ensure that the water and sewer servicing is is all adequate.

490
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
And that there will be any negative impact.

491
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
And we don't have any any concerns at this stage.

492
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,000
The gentleman mentioned an environmental assessment.

493
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,000
That's included with the package.

494
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
There was a phase one environmental assessment.

495
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,000
I believe our environmental.

496
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
It's not an environmental assessment.

497
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,000
There are different titles for these studies and I always.

498
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,000
Confuse them.

499
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Never the lesson.

500
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
It's in the package.

501
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,000
It looked at the.

502
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,000
The.

503
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,000
The lot.

504
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,000
What was there.

505
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,000
It doesn't provide a site record.

506
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,000
But it.

507
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,000
It didn't from the perspective of the environmental consultant.

508
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:38,000
State that there were no concerns to merit a phase two, which would be where.

509
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,000
They actually do more intrusive investigations into the lot.

510
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
So that that is sufficient from our perspective.

511
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:53,000
There's nothing actually that triggers from the town and environmental study for this proposed development because.

512
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,000
It is in compliance with our zoning by law.

513
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,000
The only thing being requested is a consent.

514
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
We don't have the ability to.

515
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:17,000
We don't have that ability for developments that are under 10 units.

516
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:21,000
And that's where we could have required more extensive studies if we wanted to.

517
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:29,000
But the developer I believe due to the requirements of their C.M.H.C. funding application under took a phase one.

518
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,000
Environmental site assessment. Yes, that's the correct.

519
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:39,000
Our agreement has come to me now and it hasn't revealed any issues.

520
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:42,000
So we're we're no concerned and your worship though.

521
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,000
I just want to.

522
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000
It's not intended to be a back and forth.

523
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
And it's you make your statement.

524
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Okay.

525
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,000
So you're going to do what you're going to do.

526
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,000
No, not so we're saying.

527
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Oh, no, that's what I'm hearing.

528
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Well, you made your statement.

529
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,000
Yes.

530
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,000
We hear it and we all understand it.

531
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,000
And we're all going to take it to consideration when we make our decision.

532
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Okay.

533
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Yeah.

534
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,000
But you said, under 10 units, that is 10 units.

535
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Sorry, 10.

536
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Yes.

537
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:22,000
So up to 10 units is the requirement under Bill 109, which was passed in 2022 to change the ability of the municipality to.

538
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Require site plan control, but I'll just state that even if we did, there has been a phase 1 ESA and it revealed that there are no issues.

539
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:35,000
So we would even if we had the ability to require additional studies.

540
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:41,000
We wouldn't be requiring them because they've already got a clean phase 1 ESA.

541
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
Thank. Thank you very much, Ian.

542
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Well, thank you for your time. Thank you.

543
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:55,000
So is there any further questions or comments from the.

544
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
No.

545
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
Councillor Calione.

546
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000
So sorry, just just wanted to ask.

547
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,000
And is this, is this the time in place to ask questions directly to the developer?

548
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Would that be in the regular?

549
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,000
No.

550
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,000
That was the time.

551
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:11,000
Now, it was okay. All right.

552
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,000
I just want to make sure I'm doing this procedurally correctly.

553
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:24,000
You mentioned in your start spiel there, a desire to to engage in building that reflects adequately of the neighborhood that surrounds it.

554
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:31,000
What what steps did you undertake to do that to make sure this build would fit within the characteristics of the current neighborhood?

555
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Sure.

556
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,000
So we.

557
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,000
We've been to town.

558
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
I've been to town.

559
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:42,000
I've got a few times now and we drove around a lot and looked at like the different siding options and the different styles of the homes in the area.

560
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,000
So we're trying to mimic that. What we're doing here.

561
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:49,000
And we also saw that, you know, there's very rare in the area to have buildings over two stories high.

562
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,000
So we made sure that the buildings that are constructing are not higher than two stories.

563
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,000
And then also like we.

564
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,000
Although it is 10 different dwelling units, they split up in such a way that it just looks.

565
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,000
From like if you've to drive past it wouldn't look much different to the to the homes that are already there.

566
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
And like a little bit larger for sure, but not significantly bigger.

567
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Said that that was some of the things that we thought about yeah.

568
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,000
No fantastic.

569
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:22,000
No and I and I thank you as well for taking into account both the affordability needs in terms of the rent control and the accessibility needs of our community.

570
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Because that's two things I hear from a lot of residents in the wider town is there's a need for more ground floor accessibility units and a need for more rent control.

571
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,000
And so I appreciate that that's going to be a part of this project.

572
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,000
Yeah.

573
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Thank you.

574
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
The question for the councilor do to see.

575
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
As a reason I'm going to ask this question.

576
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,000
Is.

577
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,000
Do we have the legal rate to stop this.

578
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,000
And then.

579
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Wait.

580
00:57:53,000 --> 00:58:01,000
What's on the table tonight is a consent application for the severance council can turn down a consent application.

581
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,000
Yes.

582
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,000
Okay.

583
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
With this being.

584
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,000
You know.

585
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Acceptable.

586
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,000
Growth.

587
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,000
Planting on our period is phenomenal.

588
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Fisher.

589
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,000
This is passing the zoning by loss.

590
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,000
If we turn it down.

591
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Are we.

592
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Lival for suit.

593
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:24,000
No but you but the applicant could appeal to the Ontario land tribunal.

594
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
And they would take their decision based on.

595
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,000
On the information on the material.

596
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Yes.

597
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
So we would probably lose.

598
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Yes.

599
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,000
I'm going to.

600
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,000
A little bit of leeway.

601
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,000
We worship.

602
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
A number of years ago.

603
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Maybe.

604
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,000
I don't remember.

605
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,000
It was an application for a.

606
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,000
From habitat for humanity.

607
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:56,000
And that was came to council and the letters went out to all the surrounding.

608
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Neighbors.

609
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,000
People.

610
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,000
And everyone was against it.

611
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
So as being council.

612
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,000
We want to work for our citizens.

613
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,000
And so we turned it down.

614
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,000
Two days later we had a lawsuit.

615
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,000
And until we can't turn it down.

616
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,000
So I've.

617
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,000
I've.

618
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000
I'm not.

619
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000
I'm not.

620
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,000
I'm not.

621
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,000
I'm not.

622
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
I'm not.

623
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,000
I'm not.

624
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000
I'm not.

625
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,000
I'm not.

626
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,000
I'm not.

627
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,000
I'm not.

628
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,000
I'm not.

629
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,000
I'm not.

630
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,000
I'm not.

631
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,000
I'm not.

632
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,000
I'm not.

633
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,000
I'm not.

634
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000
I'm not.

635
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000
I'm not.

636
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
I'm not.

637
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
I'm not.

638
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,000
I'm not.

639
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
I'm not.

640
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,000
I'm not.

641
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,000
The planning.

642
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,000
I know that cost.

643
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000
But.

644
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Most things do cost.

645
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,000
It's the same idea.

646
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000
I respect.

647
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,000
That's probably what it was at that time.

648
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,000
Might have been a different title for the board.

649
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,000
But yeah.

650
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,000
You have to.

651
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000
I represent to.

652
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,000
Sort of cost.

653
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,000
But.

654
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,840
going to help us anyway, who you were for.

655
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,280
What would it ends up being?

656
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:30,000
We're going to cost you more and the longer. I'm putting aside strategic planning and the need for us, and we all understand that weather. That was just a big deal. That's the way the world is going to tidy. But why get herself in the trouble if we really can't do anything? So to me, it's just a process to come here. Maybe you could see, no longer on the campstop, and we don't want to stop it, but if you don't want to get involved with trying to cause more legal troubles and costs,

657
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:39,000
then we have to make many of them now. Thank you. We saved the comments for the recommendation.

658
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:47,000
Anybody else want to make comments on this? At this time?

659
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
Oh, Councillor Kelly.

660
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:56,000
So just so I'm absolutely clear on provisions of the zoning by a lot. There was one additional unit on this property.

661
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,000
We would have to reason it beyond our one.

662
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,000
This is the absolute maximum or our minus reading that.

663
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:09,000
Well, there are two different things that play here. There are the requirements of our zoning by law.

664
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:25,000
And then there are the additional permissions, I'll say, because they're not limiting of the recent legislation that was put in place to permit additional units.

665
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:41,000
So from our professional planners perspective, you could actually, as a right in the R1 zone, in this case, have six units per...

666
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:47,000
Is it per side? I'd have to. Let me just think about it for one second. So you have a semi-on a lot.

667
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:56,000
It could have up to three units on one side and three units on the other. So yes, six units per lot.

668
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:06,000
And this proposal is five units per lot. So it's actually under what the legally allowable number of units is.

669
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:13,000
There's a slight difference still between where that third unit is permitted.

670
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:29,000
It's permitted by the legislation, whereas ours owning by law allows, as of right, it allows to the primary unit with an additional accessory unit for each sign of the semi.

671
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Because of right, you're certainly permitted for, and then you're permitted to additional units by the new legislation.

672
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:42,000
And this is only one additional unit per lot, which is that granny suite at the back.

673
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Thanks for bringing that down for me, I appreciate it.

674
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,000
Any other color?

675
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,000
Sorry.

676
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
So these are two independent lots.

677
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:57,000
Those housing, the two units, and then the granny flat, right?

678
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Four units, yeah.

679
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,000
There are four, yeah. So these, I'm looking at the drawing. There's the shared drive over the 300 lots.

680
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,000
Yeah, no, yeah, that's what's on the drawing.

681
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Okay.

683
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Yeah.

684
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000
The severance of the two lots.

685
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,000
Hello, Mr. Moscow.

686
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:20,000
I just wanted to say I have a concern about the single dwellings in the back.

687
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Becoming an issue in Espanola, where we may end up with a whole bunch of them.

688
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,000
And I don't think that that would be good.

689
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Tell me, let's see.

690
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,000
There are comments.

691
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,000
Good.

692
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:45,000
I would just like to give you a little generalization of what we're speaking here.

693
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,000
First off, this is a lot of bigger than what we're just talking about when unit here.

694
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:59,000
In Espanola, we're talking a major development in Espanola.

695
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,000
Like these gentlemen come in now.

696
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:06,000
They're going to disus, they build six and they're going to build another eight.

697
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,000
You know, we're looking at fourteen in a short time.

698
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Our strategic plan is based on development and homes in our community.

699
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,000
When I campaigned, I got that at every door.

700
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,000
People want homes.

701
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,000
They want to have place to go.

702
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,000
The elderly want to have place to have a cell.

703
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Their homes get in apartments.

704
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:34,000
I think and right from the federal government down, we're talking they're all behind this.

705
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,000
Behind building new homes in Canada, in Ontario, in our community.

706
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:44,000
We base everything on grants, grants are big.

707
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:49,000
And we're right now, we're begging the governments to give us money for grants to build.

708
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,000
Give us money to help us in our development.

709
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,000
That's counsel.

710
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,000
I think we have to for community to support these developers.

711
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:06,000
Because if we don't, when we go to applications for grants and things and they look back at these records,

712
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,000
and when you turn this down, like why would you turn something down?

713
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:15,000
It is clearly legal to go and it's to everything that's done up front and right.

714
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
I understand the people coming.

715
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,000
I know nobody wants it.

716
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
Nobody wants it in their backyard.

717
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:28,000
But for the community to develop and for us to get a base for our taxes, this is where it comes from.

718
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:35,000
Every home is built, every development is built in our community is helping our tax base,

719
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,000
especially now where we are in a position where we are a adoptor.

720
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,000
I have it.

721
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,000
I mean, the people stand in front of us, they're upset.

722
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
But what is it for the community?

723
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:51,000
For the community, I think it's great to get in development and bring in developers in.

724
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:55,000
And as we do this, more are going to see it and more are going to come.

725
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,000
I can only see this being as a positive.

726
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000
I know it hurts a bit a little bit for the, you know.

727
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,000
But in a long run, I think we're doing great for the community.

728
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,000
As council, I think you're doing a great job.

729
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:12,000
And I just want to say that it's something that I have to support.

730
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:17,000
I could never not support this in any way, for myself and finally.

731
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,000
Councillor Calione.

732
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,000
Absolutely.

733
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:26,000
And we have a duty to not, not just the people that currently live in this community.

734
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,000
But the people that want to live in this community.

735
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,000
And that want to move desperate all for other reasons.

736
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:37,000
And I'm proud of this community because we're seeing record numbers of housing starts here in us.

737
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,000
And that's driven in part by developers that are coming from outside of town and are seeing value of this community.

738
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,000
And they're driving those housing starts.

739
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:52,000
So frankly, I think as council, we'd be forced to to pass up an opportunity like this to expand the housing stock in our community.

740
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Expand affordable and accessible housing stock at that in our community.

741
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,000
And give those people a place to live.

742
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,000
And you're exactly right.

743
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:00,000
It comes back to that point.

744
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000
Nobody wants it in their backyard.

745
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,000
The transitional unit that he said is building is going up right across my street.

746
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,000
And, and yes, during the construction period, it's a nice sort.

747
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
It's not fun to look at.

748
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:17,000
It takes time, but but I hold out hope knowing that when that's completed, that's going to be a tremendous asset for community.

749
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,000
And the same thing goes whether it's this development, whether it's side right.

750
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000
We have to be consistent about our decision making at the end of the day.

751
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,000
We can't simply reject applications in the basis that the residents surrounding it don't want to do their neighborhood.

752
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Because it's a new and people don't like change.

753
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,000
And I think that's exactly what the mayor is trying to drive home.

754
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:41,000
And I drive home in this exactly what we, we, we should be advocating this council that that we need to be consistent about our decisions.

755
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:48,000
And this is like a lot of the other decisions that have come forward to us in the past couple of years.

756
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Councilor.

757
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:58,000
In addition, I can't quote the exact number, but there are hundreds.

758
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:04,000
Over 200 people on list for affordable housing in our community.

759
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:13,000
And I'm grateful that we have an opportunity here to have the partnership with the MHC to provide three units.

760
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:20,000
Because it will eventually would a way that long, very long list. Thank you.

761
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Thank you.

762
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Okay, any other comments?

763
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,000
Okay, we'll move on then.

764
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,000
So there's no further questions.

765
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:41,000
We'll go with the public hearing from application B0524 is now closed.

766
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Public hearing in process is now completed.

767
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Council will be a careful consideration to the comments to receive.

768
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:53,000
He's items that we consider during the regular portion of this, the seat needs me.

769
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Thank you, or should just for our guests who joined virtually.

770
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:04,000
At this point, we're proceeding with the the council agenda for the evening.

771
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
We'll be considering your items.

772
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,000
I would guess probably in a short few minutes.

773
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000
So you can either stay with us or your free to sign office.

774
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:20,000
You see fit, but probably another five minutes or so before we get to that item.

775
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
No problem, we problem.

776
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Whatever you guys like, we'll stay here if not, but if not, we'll head out.

777
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,000
It's up to you guys. We'll just stay here or so.

778
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
You could stay.

779
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000
Thank you.

780
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,000
Okay.

781
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,000
There's a question period.

782
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
See, nobody in the audience could send items to be severed.

783
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,000
Jesus, part one consent.

784
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,000
I'll like to read.

785
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,000
No.

786
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,000
Consent items.

787
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,000
Yeah.

788
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,000
Move her.

789
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,000
Move by a counselor.

790
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Hey, the second might ever be killed.

791
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Beers, all of that items.

792
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,000
H1 to L5 inclusive contained in part one consent agenda.

793
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,000
Be adopted.

794
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:14,000
I'll just read through them and it's for saying questions or comments.

795
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,000
We stop in any time.

796
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,000
Okay.

797
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:22,000
H1.

798
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
H2.

799
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000
I.

800
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Board committee reports.

801
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
I want.

802
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Do I tell the safety committee?

803
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,000
I.2.

804
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Mattertool and several district services.

805
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
I.3 community service committee.

806
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
Jay.

807
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:49,000
This is raise it from the committees and K by-laws and resolutions.

808
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,000
Tell me by-laws if you read in past.

809
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,000
K1.

810
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,000
L. L.1. L.2.

811
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
L.3. L.4. L.5.

812
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
The questions comments.

813
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,000
Seeing none on favor.

814
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
Part two are regular agenda.

815
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,000
First is M1.

816
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,000
Check online information operations.

817
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Please politics.

818
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
Lets go.

819
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,000
Thousands of.

820
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,000
Beers.

821
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Move by council ahead.

822
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000
們.

823
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Beers.

824
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:59,480
as we obtain for both $454,000,000,000 and $537,000, $3,000 to recognize zoning by a lot of

825
01:11:59,480 --> 01:12:04,120
efficiencies on the subject. Lots, three, the balance of any outstanding taxes, including

826
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,720
penalties and a trust, shall we paint in the town in the best of all that effort required.

827
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,160
Columnments and questions?

828
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:19,400
Councillor Mascott. I don't know if this is a time to say anything or not. I know you said earlier

829
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:24,760
that it was up to us. With the charge, I'd just like you to take into consideration that he had

830
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:33,240
paid once before. Unfortunately, he laps the time, but maybe take that into consideration when

831
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:38,600
the price of the variance is coming. That's all. Thank you. Any other comments?

832
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,600
Thank you.

833
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,600
Seeing none of all in favor?

834
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,600
Carried.

835
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,600
Next, does M2 move or in second turn?

836
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,600
Move by councilor A, or second in my councilor.

837
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:04,600
Can I link?

838
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,600
Resolve the council approve consent application B0524 to sever property known as

839
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:26,600
Lot-9 Concession-5, plan M176, a lot of eight partial 31453,

840
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,960
township of Marin, town of Espinola, creating two separate lots and two established, a shared

841
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:38,920
access easement for a common driveway shown as part two and part three on proposed Lot-7's plan,

842
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:45,640
including with the application, and providing that the following conditions are met one,

843
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:50,520
that the owner filed with the clerk, three copies of the registered reference plans, prepared by

844
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:56,440
Ontario Land Surveyor, registered in the province of Ontario for the purposes of facilitating

845
01:13:56,440 --> 01:14:01,960
the transaction to which this consent applies and that this plan be approved by the municipality

846
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,000
prior to being deposited with the land registry office. The reference plan should conform

847
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,920
substantially to the sketch filed with the application for consent to the balance of any outstanding

848
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,960
taxes, including penalties, and interests shall be paid to the town of Espinola, if required,

849
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:24,520
three that the owner provides payment for the cash in the parkland, representing 5% of the

850
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:30,360
value of the land to be paid to the town of Espinola for adequate water and sewer capacity is confirmed

851
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:40,040
to the town of satisfaction. And then we're questions or comments. See none all in favor?

852
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:56,360
Carried. I'd like to thank you very much gentlemen for giving us your presentation tonight

853
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,400
and we look forward to doing business with you in the future.

854
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:15,000
Along with this one. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Appreciate it guys.

855
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Ms. M3 can move her in the seconder. Move my counselor rate in second of my counselor, Kelly Owen.

856
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Be a result of that by 11. I'm very three, two, one, nine, twenty-four, be adopted, being a by-law to enter into an agreement with the PPP for primary PFAP services.

857
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,000
Questions or comments on this? See, none, all in favour?

858
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:34,000
We'll have the Treasurer, Julie Bootsie, and provide some comments on both items, bill 1 and 0 to if appropriate.

859
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,000
Thank you. Thank you.

860
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:41,000
Thank you. Through your worship, the first report is on the 2025 budget guidelines in timetable.

861
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:49,000
We're just proposing a slight amendment to shift the timetable into January, instead of the second part of November.

862
01:16:49,000 --> 01:17:07,000
Due to different obstacles that we've encountered in the last month or so, and we are still working very hard on the budget, and we would like to propose something wholesome and well prepared.

863
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:17,000
Good. Thank you.

864
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:30,000
There is no motion. It's just a night and for information. Perhaps that was different the last time, but I think providing there's no issue with our moving our timeline, then you can move on.

865
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,000
This is a question.

866
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,000
And this is any questions or comments on that part of it, anybody?

867
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,000
Okay. Seeing none.

868
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:53,000
Through your worship, the second report is the 2024 quarter three budget to actual, and overall, we're forecasting a surplus at the end of the year.

869
01:17:53,000 --> 01:18:19,000
The majority of the surplus is created by operational projects that have not brought to fruition, so these are not funds that I would say we could use for our 2025 budgets. These will be rolled proposed to be rolled into reserves to complete the projects in 2025.

870
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,000
Any questions or comments?

871
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:34,000
Let's see none. This is so good. You like? Thank you very much.

872
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Next door to visit our information.

873
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:44,000
This information was previously circulated to council, if required a copy of the information is available at the municipal office.

874
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:48,000
Any questions or comments on them? Information?

875
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,000
The none.

876
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Conferencing conventions, Roma, January 19, 2021, 2025.

877
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:03,000
We've spoke about it and we feel that it's just time is probably not any advantage just going.

878
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:08,000
This one, and we were probably not attending.

879
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:17,000
If we didn't have a delegation, we weren't going to try and get personal.

880
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,000
What the more, and that was we can probably do our business that way.

881
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:28,000
It's a good, it's an excellent conference, but in our times right now we feel it's very good.

882
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:33,000
Our time and our money can be spent better in staying home for this one.

883
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,000
Okay. So, Mayor and council reports and announcements.

884
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:41,000
We'll start with Deputy Kelly.

885
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Thank you, Worshik.

886
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
I'm just a few things.

887
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:55,000
It was nice to attend the French high school that in a sense came to the town office on, I believe it was last Monday,

888
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,000
trekking through the town on their pilgrimage of hopes.

889
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:04,000
To see they presented the mayor and the CAO as well as the OPP.

890
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:13,000
And I believe the fire departments, plaques just in dedication and support for the positive input that they've had on our community.

891
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:17,000
So it was nice to see all of the kids out and attending that.

892
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:22,000
We're, we're molding some really good young people here.

893
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,000
The other thing I attended was the rock around the Christmas level this year.

894
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:33,000
It was complex, I don't know what I can say, the complex was completely packed inside outside.

895
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,000
The floats were great.

896
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,000
Participation was was fantastic.

897
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,000
The weather cooperated.

898
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,000
I know that the vendors, I didn't get to Alex, but I know that.

899
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Council Kelly Owen and we'll have a lot to tell about that because I think he was just about everywhere.

900
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,000
So I'll let him take over from this.

901
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:57,000
But thanks to everybody who contributed and all the hard work went into that went into preparing this.

902
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:03,000
Our staff as well as all of the volunteers and the community members who made this happen.

903
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,000
We're looking forward to next year's.

904
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:06,000
Thank you.

905
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,000
Thank you, deputy.

906
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Councilor.

907
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:10,000
Ananya.

908
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,000
I echo the deputy's comments.

909
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,000
It was a great event.

910
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,000
The turnout.

911
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:24,000
All throughout the town at the Alps Hall and inside and outside the complex.

912
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:29,000
I was so proud of the volunteers and all of the groups and the businesses that came out.

913
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Anyways, it was just wonderful.

914
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Thanks to staff and the whole community.

915
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Councilor Duplese.

916
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,000
What I had is already said.

917
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
I agree.

918
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,000
Councilor mascot.

919
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,000
Same here.

920
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,000
It was all good.

921
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:52,000
I didn't get to see a lot of it because we were making hot chocolate.

922
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,000
But did get to go for a walk before it started to snow.

923
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,000
And it looked very nice out there.

924
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,000
That was well-to-wall at the Alps.

925
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,000
So it was good.

926
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,000
Being showed out to all the staff at the complex.

927
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,000
They did a wonderful job.

928
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
They were very, very hard to have this on.

929
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,000
That's it.

930
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Thank you.

931
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,000
Councilor.

932
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,000
Thank you.

933
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Thank you.

934
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,000
I had a very intention of being at the Ovalon.

935
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,000
We can't help her.

936
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,000
My elderly father came for a surprise visit.

937
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,000
So I wasn't able to get there.

938
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,000
I just would like to bring something up for consideration for another year.

939
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:40,000
Is there some people with mobility issues that are having problems to get around to seeing all of the things at the Ovalon.

940
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,000
And they wanted to be there and wanted to participate.

941
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,000
So I could have got my dad around.

942
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:50,000
I could have come and not felt bad about that because but he wouldn't have been able to walk around there.

943
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,000
He's not the only one.

944
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
There were some other people they had mentioned that to me as well.

945
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
So I just want to put that out there.

946
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,000
It's not a negative.

947
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,000
It's just that maybe we can figure out something to make it.

948
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,000
So that they're able to be able to be a part of it as well.

949
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:08,000
So being more inclusive to other parts of our community that.

950
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,000
You know, some of them are just big kids at heart too.

951
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,000
So.

952
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,000
For sure.

953
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Thank you.

954
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,000
And that's all.

955
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,000
Thank you.

956
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,000
Thank you.

957
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,000
I also got a one.

958
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,000
We didn't even think of everyone.

959
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,000
I appreciate your patience with me.

960
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,000
As I approach the exam period and the end of a semester.

961
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:30,000
So I'm here in Ottawa trying to study away right now.

962
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,000
I did want to highlight a few things because I was was in town for most of the last week.

963
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,000
I do seriously want to start by thanking more than credit you.

964
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Very specifically.

965
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
And the reason I'm shouting them out is they gave you very generous.

966
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:51,000
$2,000 donation to the Pondhockey Program that myself and my father have run for quite a few years.

967
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,000
Now I've put that since I was a teenager.

968
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
So for sure.

969
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:02,000
And in addition to that, I just want to take the time to thank all of the local businesses and groups that donated.

970
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,000
To the recent giveaway we did.

971
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,000
We gave away three.

972
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Goody baskets to veterans and families of veterans.

973
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000
Post for member and stay.

974
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
Which is kind of posted.

975
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,000
The winners of those baskets and kind of their stories today.

976
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,000
So it was great.

977
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,000
I want to thank Esmeral coffee roasters.

978
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,000
I want to thank Center Street dental.

979
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,000
Moose FM donated a bunch of stuff.

980
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Tanners and Cortina both donated as well as revenue.

981
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:32,000
So it was great to get a bunch of local businesses in town together for an initiative like that.

982
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:37,000
And to share some better stories during the month of remembrance.

983
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,000
I'm going to echo everything that's been said about the oval already.

984
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,000
That's a tremendous effort every year on the part of our staff.

985
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,000
And I really want to commend them for the amazing work that went into that.

986
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,000
I was trying to balance my time between the display I had set up.

987
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000
The lines display on the town display.

988
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,000
So thank God I was right in the middle.

989
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,000
So I could kind of run back and forth.

990
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,000
But it was busy the whole night.

991
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,000
So that was great.

992
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,000
And the attendance there was just fantastic.

993
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,000
And I think it was even better than last year.

994
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,000
And I'm looking forward to it already.

995
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,000
And then the last thing is I just want to say that during the day.

996
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000
I was at the Elx Christmas scratch.

997
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,000
I had my table set up and I was collecting donations for helping hand.

998
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,000
And in total we received.

999
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,000
I didn't do a final count of the products.

1000
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,000
But it was that hundreds of non-perishables.

1001
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:30,000
And over $300 in cash donation.

1002
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
So if that doesn't.

1003
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:36,000
It pitomized the giving spirit of the holiday season and how giving this community.

1004
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,000
I don't know.

1005
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,000
I don't know what does quite frankly.

1006
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,000
So I'm very very happy with how that turned out.

1007
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,000
That's it for me.

1008
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,000
Thank you very much.

1009
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:50,000
I would just not much more to say.

1010
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:55,000
The council has has said it very clearly.

1011
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,000
But it's just to say in general that the thank council again for being participating.

1012
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
In all our endeavors.

1013
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,000
It's great to see you all out there.

1014
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:06,000
It's a big to the community.

1015
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,000
They really appreciate us out there.

1016
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,000
And also the community itself.

1017
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,000
It's just great to see how they're all coming together.

1018
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:21,000
And any volunteer, all the volunteers, all the participants.

1019
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,000
Those over 500 people at that awful easy.

1020
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,000
And they were all very energetic and happy to be there.

1021
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:33,000
And it's a great thing that we have here in this community.

1022
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:35,000
But it's a participation.

1023
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:39,000
It really, really, it doesn't surprise me.

1024
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,000
It's great to see.

1025
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:45,000
The community comes out when there's things that we do here for them.

1026
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:49,000
And the children that came from the school, the high school.

1027
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:56,000
To come here and give us an award for recognizing what we do as a community.

1028
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,000
And going to all that different churches in Espanola.

1029
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,000
So ours is at the same tune.

1030
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,000
We have it right there to post the nice, what they present it to us.

1031
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,000
It's great to see the community's life.

1032
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,000
And I just wanted to tell you that it's all part of the world part of it.

1033
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,000
And we can be proud of what we're doing.

1034
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Thank you very much.

1035
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
All right.

1036
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,000
Future council meetings.

1037
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:23,000
Corporate Service Committee.

1038
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,000
Meeting me in December the 3rd, 2024.

1039
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:31,000
We held the place of January the 7th.

1040
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,000
Okay.

1041
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:38,000
We're going to meet a council December the 10th, 2024, 7 p.m.

1042
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,000
Okay.

1043
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,000
So we adjourned.

1044
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,000
Move by.

1045
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,000
No.

1046
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,000
Council.

1047
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000
Deputy.

1048
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:59,000
Okay.

1049
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Councilor Gallion and we'll see you on the other side.

1050
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:08,000
Let's see on the other side.

1051
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Recording stopped.

1052
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,000
Thank you.