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Why don't you go ahead and

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Good evening everybody. Um I'm glad
you're all here. Um this is the

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September meeting of the Essex Energy
Committee. A little bit hastily warned,

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but we got it in on time, but I forgot
to send everybody invite. So, apologies

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for that. glad that you all could make
it. Um, so we have a special guest

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tonight and I thought actually I guess
what we'll do, let me just bring up our

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um minutes. Hi Gita.
Um actually we'll just state for the

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record in attendance are uh Will Dodge
the chair Sean McNamera who's the

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municipal representative Katie Shadic
who's the vice chair uh our guest Dylan

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GM Batisa from Vermont Gas Ken Good now
is new member uh Gita Ganon and online

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we have uh Natalie Braun um who's
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on via video and this meeting is being
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times but one way or the other we will
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um so welcome everyone. Uh first thing I
think we should do uh is approval of

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minutes from 812
which Natalie you were kind enough to

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produce. Um, everybody have a chance to
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to say anything about them such as move
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» approve? Move to admit.
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» Okay. Uh, all in favor?
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» And all opposed.
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those are approved and we'll get those
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sure that those are recorded. Now, on
the agenda, I had put work plan to be

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distributed in advance of meeting. But I
think what I'm going to do um is instead

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go to our first item, which is actually
we have it put in the meeting as

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president presentation from Spencer Dole
at Vermont Gas, but instead we're going

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to let Dylan take the stage. And Dylan,
you've been here before, so you know,

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you you know us
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representing you were representing the
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long was that?
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village in a town.
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» I represented a district in A2, which
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center, but this was part of the
district. And so sadly I haven't been in

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this building in about five years
because I'm now resident Wahwa of the

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city which is actually from my
perspective sort of a lost opportunity

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for our community. But I'll set that
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get into the the turf wars.
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things up here. Um but nevertheless, I
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where I was actually primarily focused
on education policy. And then um shortly

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after that COVID time started, I was
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manager uh in the state in another
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someone who I didn't know that well, but
the new president of Vermont Gas, Neil

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Lenderbilt, was interesting resume and
government service and he had run

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Burlington Electric Department and he
was brought into Vermont Gas at that

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time in part to try to think about if a
company that primarily has served

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natural gas could operationalize some of
the policy that we need to reduce

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emissions in the state. And so for the
past five and a half years, I've been

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working as part of that team. And my um
portfolio includes a lot of outreach,

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regulatory affairs, things of that
nature. And actually, the primary reason

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that I'm here with you tonight, um I I
want to be courteous of your time. So I

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wasn't sure if you had an amount of time
because I we do have a regulatory um

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process underway that I'm seeking input
on from this committee. All the input

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doesn't need to come tonight, but it's
part of our integrated resource plan,

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which is a process that all distribution
utilities in the state of electric

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utilities, uh, and in our case, the lone
natural gas utility are subject to as

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regulated entities by the state of
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every three years, we need to go around
stakeholders and discuss with them um

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their objectives in terms of development
opportunities, and we take a look at our

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resource um uh our resource allocation.
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the case of a gas utility gas supply and
the needs of the region basically. So I

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I came here tonight to give you a quick
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what we're doing but also to hear from
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you see um and you know not to steal my
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um the integrative resource plan is not
very uh exciting but I'll do my best

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with it. So Will, how much time do you
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to take a lot of your time. and you
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» Well, I think I we'd love to see your
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definitely have one priority in
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about.
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» Um, so excellent, but I think you can
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» Yeah. And I'll just say it says that
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» Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was just going to do
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to cancel. Yeah. Now, yeah, multiple
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» All right, there we go.
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shared in Zoom, so hopefully I don't.
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» All right, let's give this a whirl here
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make a go of it as best I can. All
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coming up yet?
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a sort of a shared network for this just
utility security that we go through. All

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right, just one moment. Here we go. I'm
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It might lag out a little, but
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much about that. So, I'm providing you
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regulated utility. As I said, and
there's there's a lot of information in

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this slide deck. I don't know that I'm
going to go through it all, but at the

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highest level, Vermont Gas, if you are a
natural gas customer, you probably know

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us. We've served the region for 60
years. Um we have about 56,000 customers

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across northwest Vermont. That's
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with the bulk here in Chitten County. Um
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some of our peer utilities across the
country is in addition to being a

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regulated distribution utility. In other
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utility. Um, we also are an energy
efficiency utility and have for several

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decades provided services what we call
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homes and premises whether commercial,
industrial, residential. We've been

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working inside of their homes servicing
equipment and recently installing

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different types of equipment. So, this
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and um what really sets us apart is that
about 40% of our workforce work with

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customers every day. So, we're not just
working in the right ofway with your

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public works department. We're working
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building stock. Um, quick overview here.
I mentioned that we have about 56,000

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um, families and businesses that we
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are taking all the premises that we
serve. So, many of those might have

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multiple occupants. So, I won't get into
that too much. Um, but to give you the

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snapshot, we operate about 900 miles of
distribution infrastructure. That's the

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pipe under the ground that brings gas
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of transmission infrastructure and
through our energy efficiency work, we

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do about 2,000 efficiency improvements
annually. Um, I'm going to skip past the

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I have a slide on a timeline that I'm
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Um, just to give you the the quick
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lagging, but it will do its best here.
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service, so just give me a second. I'm
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but it'll eventually catch up. Um, in
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1992, we have um done a portfolio of
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facilitated 44,000
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going to skip over this slide. It'll
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lagged out. Um, and and those efficiency
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an energy efficiency
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So, we have paid out incentives of over
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cumulative gas savings that is the gas
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over $273 million. So this is big bucks
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year-over-year savings that it grew to
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2016, that's when we became one of the
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have served about 2,000 uh customers
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big numbers about how much we've saved.
It's a significant amount of money and

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and reduced uh emissions. All of which
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and I'm sure those that you're looking
out for here in the town. Um, my slides

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will eventually catch up here, but I'm
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a map of where our infrastructure is
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infrastructure that we operate under the
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line which extends down south. And then
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infrastructure as well feeding different
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Essex shops, uh, or up into different
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this list. Um, and of that, we have
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this that I called out to my colleague
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says 18 residential units are
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that's right. I think it's because when
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that they were cataloging the data,
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error there. I'm guessing that it's much
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that we've facilitated based on
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done I do think the equipment upgrades
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here is that uh back at the start of the
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pumps. First heat pump water heaters
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is an appliance that you incorporate
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system or uh you can use that for
heating or cooling. And then also mini

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splits. We started the mini splits
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had four heat pumps installed in Essex
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been a little slow, but what happens and
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opportunity to market them particularly
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about heat pumps primarily for cooling,
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viable heating solution for their home
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expect to see more rapid adoption and
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um and marketing to try to get the word
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» Hey Dylan. Yes. on that. I appreciate
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correction on the residential units. Is
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number to us because we are working on
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great stat to know to plug into that.
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now? I know we are under
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» Or an enhanced energy plan, right? An
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» Yeah. So I will tell you um this is this
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with our efficiency team on program
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options that we can do. So, we've had
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particularly in the city of Burlington
and the city of South Burlington who

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have adopted uh ordinances that actually
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weatherization, um and other primary
renewable heating type ordinances. So,

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they they've put in place actual policy
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bring it up is because some of those
communities also have staffed up with um

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like an energy coordinator um or in the
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have pretty robust building permitting.
I know that's not the case in a lot of

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municipalities. Um but there are ways
that we can share data with you that's

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actually a little more granular about
the usage, the profiles of your

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buildings. And I don't want to
overpromise, but our efficiency utility

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does have the ability to work with your
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get you a lot of information. So if
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certainly work on that with you.
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» All right. This is still lagging a
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tries to find the internet through the
clouds. Um but we'll eventually get

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there. The the reason that I'm here
tonight, first of all, I welcome any

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input or any questions you have. Um you
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important stakeholders in energy
planning, increasingly so with the role

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of energy committees and different types
of enhanced energy plans. some of the

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work going on with the regional planning
commissions. But our integrated resource

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plan, as I've already previewed, it's
essentially a 20-year roadmap for

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resource allocation. And traditionally,
this process, which is overseen by our

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regulators, was really about how many
customers are you going to add? In the

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case of electricity, it would be how
many electric customers are you going to

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add, how much electricity can you
procure, what does that look like in the

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future for your customers. Same in the
gas system. At the simplest level, this

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process historically has been about how
you meet new customers energy needs

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while balancing those um balancing the
costs and then increasingly in the last

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couple decades, how are you going to
mitigate environmental impacts. So

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recently we've been looking toward the
state's comprehensive energy plan which

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is about to undergo a revision. They do
that I think it's every six years. Um

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and I will share that in 2024 the
addition that we put together of this

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integrated resource plan really trade
changed from some of that traditional

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planning where we then began to focus a
bit more on carbon reduction pathways

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which was consistent with state energy
policy. Um this time around we're

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looking at that we're also thinking
about resilience reliability and that

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relates to both physical infrastructure
and cyber um which is probably no

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surprise to you if you've been following
the news. Um, we're also really focused

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on geothermal development, which is
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discuss with you. I saw you have some
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packet. So, lots to discuss there, and
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doing. Um, in short though, what I'm
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feedback on these three scenario plans
that we're presenting to you. All the

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feedback doesn't need to come tonight.
You all could review it offline. Send an

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informal note to me. I'd be happy to
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through three planning scenarios for
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The first is a baseline scenario where
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policy. We continue to work on our
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include again natural gas delivery,
installation and maintenance of heat

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pumps, energy efficiency incentives for
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some geothermal work that we're doing.
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policy that's coming from the state that
actually is mandating us to change

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considerably. So we would continue to
provide these types of services. There's

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also um some existing programs that we
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far um over my skis with the short
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we we have a supply of natural gas that
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the carbon intensity of the fuel that's
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using a combustion based system. And so
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essentially looking at our planning and
saying things aren't going to change

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that much except we're going to see new
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huge p push to do development and add
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scenario number one that we model and
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moderate gas reduction scenario. And
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strategic electrification in the region
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continued adoption of renewable fuels in
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focuses on a lot of hybrid heating
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pumps in play working in tandem with
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systems. Um, it's also taking a look at
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properties over the next 10 years in
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which are pretty rosy. I don't think
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nevertheless, this sees more
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something that we model out to test what
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customers if there was a lot more
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» The final scenario that we're modeling
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significant decarbonization scenario in
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construction will be using any form of
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combustion growth in the state. But
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region we serve. And it's assuming that
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policies are implemented and that there
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fast pace to keep up with all the new
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look at here I won't get too into it but
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industrial loads like a global

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foundaries or you know maybe you have gl
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they can be um electrified over time as
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depending on the use of processed fuels
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So I present you these three and the
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one is the status quo, two is the state
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not banning things outright. Three is if
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combustion in the state and we're just
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these scenarios and try to get feedback
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different models and scenario planning
where we can go to regulators and say

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here's what we heard, here's what we
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reflective of stakeholder input. So I've
been to about 12 communities before

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this. I've heard a range of opinions
stretching from Swanton to, you know,

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down in Addison County, Vens. I mean
there there's a whole range of opinions

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about what we ought to do in this space
and I I don't want to put all this to

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you now but I have a series of questions
but I I just wonder if before we leave

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these are there any of these scenarios
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recognizing both the moment that we're
in in terms of where state policy stands

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because candidly there is no thermal
energy policy framework to move us

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forward right now. We had a clean heat
standard lawmakers chose not to

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implement it. So we don't actually have
a performance standard guiding reduction

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of greenhouse gas emissions in the
thermal sector as we do in the electric

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sector with the renewable energy
standard. So we're sort of operating

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without a clear statewide policy
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communities like South Burlington and
Burlington that are moving very quickly

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toward renewables policy
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housing stock that we're trying to
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we also bring online new housing much of
which can be electrified. So I put that

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to you. Do any of these scenarios stand
out? I'm I'm sort of all yours, Will. I

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don't know how you would want to run
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feedback.
>> Yeah. Well, oh, I'm just going to open

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it up to the floor. Do you have any
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» Well, I'm I love my gas stove, so I
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moderate. Start with that. And that way
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making a huge change and bringing on new
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the same time keeping the rest of the
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Um but I do like the idea of like um the
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know with the with everything with
electric charges going up these days I

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don't know how much of that is going to
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» there's going to change coming in that
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» I think you have to make a real case
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is going to be more cost effective or at
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» right?
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That'll put it at 18.11%
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» Yep.
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together as it is. If everything goes
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» Natalie, any persp or Rod, any
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» I would say the moderate is a good
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» Sorry, Rod. Can you speak up just a bit?
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moderate's a good aspiration. Um, we
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than a baseline, but we need to be
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have to recognize what the the appetite
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» Thank you, Rod. Natalie, how about you?
I'd be the one person of course that is

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leaning heavily toward scenario three uh
being uh you know the person deeply

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concerned about um the climate uh what
was the timeline on this is aspirational

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over how many years are we talking?
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three we update the plan every three
years. We look out over we look out over

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a 20-year horizon for the modeling
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and and the state learned a great deal
about this when it looked at a clean

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heat standard and when it's looked at
other policy. There's an ordering of um

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steps to electrify existing housing
stock. You know, sort of the loading

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order of steps. So, um all of that it's
sort of factoring what is most cost

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effective upfront and what gets the most
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that's that's what the state has been
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through their efficiency programs as
well as they look at the efficacy of

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weatherization, heat pumps, replacement
fuels, replacement systems. It's all

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about what gets you the most bang for
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hope that's helpful.
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you're looking for a a um just a general
taste of what folks are saying across

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the state, my guess is at least uh you
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other committee members are are saying.
Absolutely. With regard to what is um

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you know, might what might be
attainable. Um my my view is let's

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attain as much as we possibly can for
decarbonization. Yeah. low emission, you

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know, low emission energy sources.

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» Yeah. I mean, I guess, you know, there's
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for like do as much as possible like
Natalie was saying, but then I'm also

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realistic and what can be achieved and
how do you have the most buy in um what

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works with the things that we already
have. So uh one example is this kind of

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pushpull between making sure that we are
doing the best for the climate but then

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also like how do you not do other things
that are going to have kind of

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downstream effects. So like right now I
could go out and I could buy like the

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most energy efficient car possible but
instead I'm still driving a 20-year-old

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car because I also know that consumerism
is horrible and I don't want this car

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that still works to just go in the trash
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there is like how do we make new things
as efficient as possible and then deal

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with the existing structures that we
have to make them feasibly as efficient

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as they could possibly be knowing that
some are just not going to be up to

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snuff.
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excellent feedback all around and heard
um and I will just share that it's it's

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really interesting because um I have had
a number of discussions over the years

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about what to do with the gas system
generally um and so I'll just call out a

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couple things about our system. So we
are connected um through a Canadian

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pipeline. So all our supply comes from
Canada. And what's interesting about

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that is that in recent years, we've
heard about the grid in the Northeast in

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particular. You all are high you're high
knowledge people. So you probably know

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in the energy space the electric grid um
our utilities are obligated to um reduce

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the carbon intensity of their supply by
buying credits and that's sort of an

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accepted conventional part of energy
markets in the region. Um a lot of their

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supply is coming from New England. some
critique that credit system because on a

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really cold winter's day or a really hot
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on the grid, they're using natural gas
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you know, there's there's plenty of
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The thing about the gas system that's
interesting for our customers being

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having Canadian gas, it's been really
plentiful. Now, knock on wood, we have a

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trade war going on apparently, so who
knows? But at this point, gas has been

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completely exempt under existing trade
agreements with Canada. And so the

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energy supply constraints that we see in
New England with the grid in general or

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with gas utilities in Massachusetts and
other parts of the region, they don't

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exist for our system. Um, and so as long
as that Canadian gas is flowing, we have

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that available. There's a question about
equity. If you look, you might be

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familiar with the efficiency Vermont
reports on energy burden. It's like it's

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a really great report. I encourage you
to look at as you're doing your plan. It

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basically shows the statewide picture of
energy burden and does a lot of analysis

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about what the factors are contributing
to folks ability to afford the energy

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they consume in different parts of the
state. And I will call out and I'm only

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doing this for information is that
Northwest Vermont has benefited from the

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low comparative cost of gas on a dollar
for-dollar basis. I think that some of

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the comments and discussions and
critiques we have about that are well

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there's externalities when you use gas
you know there's upstream emissions and

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all these other things and so what we
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well how do we plan with the existing
policy in place and you know we have the

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global warming solutions act which had a
2025 target which you know jury's out on

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if we hit it 2030 it doesn't look like
the state's going to hit it and then

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2050 we have another one um I don't know
how state policy makers are going to

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respond to that but all this is to say
that Our planning scenarios are trying

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to take into account all these factors
as we look at it and we think about well

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what would happen you know we have all
this infrastructure in the ground with

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the gas system either transmission or
distribution what would happen if you

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stopped using it you know who would be
who would be the last people on that

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system paying for its costs and upkeep
and this is a a concept in utilities you

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might hear about it's called the utility
death spiral the concept that if you

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have con if you have consumers of one
product all switching to another there's

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that existing system that needs to be
maintained but fewer people support it.

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It's kind of we talk about it with
social security as well when we think

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about paying out social security
benefits. So all these are are the

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policy conversations we have with state
regulators in this process. Um I just to

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be courteous of your time. I don't know
that we should get into all of it but on

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the last slide of this presentation
which will eventually switch over here

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for you. Um Will has this and could be
shared. There's a series of questions

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about these scenarios and what might
support your goals. I I don't think that

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I need to get all of your feedback
tonight, but we would welcome any

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feedback if you sent it over. Um you you
don't need to answer all these

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questions. I'd be happy to discuss it
now. Do you prefer do it now? Um but

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essentially these are these are the
questions that we are asking everyone.

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It's essentially do you do you is there
a scenario that you that would support

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your goals? Thinking about your
municipal planning goals or the goals of

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the region, the goals of your committee.
Um, and then of course there's questions

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like, are there programs or products we
should prioritize? Um, I'm guessing if

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you're an energy committee here in the
town thinking about future growth, you

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might be thinking about, well, what is
what is the option for strategic

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electrification for new development
that's going to meet their needs and not

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um be too expensive for the developer or
the eventual occupants. Um, so we have

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been looking at geothermal. It's a it's
actually a really exciting part of our

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projects. I mentioned it earlier, but um
just so you know, we have a pilot

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project with Champlne Housing Trust that
we're going to be putting drills in the

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ground on very soon in Heinesburg where
we're building a number of affordable

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00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:13,200
housing with Champlne Housing Trust and
they will be serviced by single system

408
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:16,399
geothermal loops. Uh we're also working
with a large developer in the region,

409
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:21,039
O'Brien Brothers, and I would hope that
there's more developers soon on bringing

410
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,880
to market an all electric option for new
development on single family homes.

411
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:28,960
That's that's more of a boutique product
in O'Brien's brother's home. Um, you

412
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,480
know, this is this conversation sort of
is started in the southern rim of

413
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:35,440
Chipman County, but we have a product
that they're going to be offering. They

414
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:39,840
currently have an all electric home heat
pump solution with solar panels on the

415
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:44,000
roof, um, battery storage in the
basement, heat pumps, uh, ductless units

416
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,360
around the house, or maybe they're
centrally ducted. I'm not sure. They're

417
00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:51,360
also going to be offering the geothermal
option soon where we, Vermont Gas, would

418
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,120
actually own and operate the underground
loop. we would have an access charge

419
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,080
that the owner of the home would pay to
us and then they would own the interior

420
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,919
ground source heat pump through their
development. So that's an exciting

421
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:04,960
opportunity for new housing that Chitten
County developers might be more

422
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:09,120
interested in than say Franklin County
developers. Um so I just I put to you,

423
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:11,840
you know, we don't need to have the full
conversation tonight, but all these

424
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,360
questions, you know, what are the
barriers to your constituents here? You

425
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:19,840
know, what might they look like? What
might they be? Are there particular um

426
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,919
needs for different types of energy
burdened residents? uh might there be a

427
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:28,559
different need for renters that you've
seen or for bipok promoters? Um and you

428
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:32,000
know again I think from our perspective
we just want to make sure that we're

429
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,840
effectively aligning with stakeholder
goals because if we can all push in the

430
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,279
same direction it's better. Um and so
that's that's sort of the tenor of this

431
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,240
conversation. If you have feedback happy
to take it now will or we could we could

432
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,000
do it offline. Whatever you think is
best.

433
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:48,200
» I'd like to ask you about something.
>> Come on over. Yeah let's do it.

434
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,360
Give the magic cloud a second as you
say.

435
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,559
» Yeah. And I'll ex out of mine.
>> Do you know about this?

436
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,360
» So is this the new development that
you've all been looking at? Sort of the

437
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:04,480
» 80 to 90 Main Street.
>> And so this is the municipal during

438
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,039
ARPA. You bought a bunch the town bought
a lot of land for the purpose of a

439
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,320
development. Is that right?
>> A lot of land. And and the development

440
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:15,440
is very poorly defined at the moment.
But this is what we know that that it

441
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,240
has. I'm just going to go up to kind of
show it. easier what we know. So, you

442
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:24,880
know, I think you know where this is,
but basically this is like McDonald's

443
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:28,960
over here. Okay. Then there's the the
the Maple Fields. They used to be the

444
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Eer's RV and it was a gym for a while.
All those things.

445
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:37,840
» So, the idea is that we end up with
multiple municipal buildings. I think

446
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:43,200
that one is the town hall. I think
number two is the library. And number

447
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:47,760
three is the community.
>> Parks and wreck. Yeah, that might be

448
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:53,840
parks and wreck. We have number four,
which is a massive fire station. Okay.

449
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:59,840
But then and then we have a couple of
other, you know, areas that are

450
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:05,039
basically slated for potential future
residential development.

451
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:10,720
Uh there may be an athletic building of
some kind over here. It's up to me. It's

452
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:15,760
a curling rink, but really there being a
resident. But regardless, the whole

453
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:20,559
point is that this whole area could
become kind of like a super development.

454
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:27,440
» Yeah,
>> we've been advised, we've been looking

455
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:32,799
into now for since 2024, the idea of a
geothermal network of some kind,

456
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:38,559
something similar to what we had or what
you know exists with um over at Beta and

457
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:45,360
a number of other communities throughout
the country. And the advice that we've

458
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:51,200
been given is that basically for where
everything is in the planning stages

459
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:57,039
that there's not the ability now because
the design is still so we don't know

460
00:32:53,840 --> 00:33:02,640
truly what the development is.
But given where all those roads and

461
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:10,080
paths are located,
if we if the designers were to put in

462
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:13,039
sleeves now
right? As part of it, even though we

463
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:18,159
don't know exactly where everything's
going,

464
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:23,360
that would at least enable you to do
almost exactly or maybe maybe even

465
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:28,000
greater than what you guys are already
doing over in Hinesburg.

466
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:34,240
» So, what we want to know is
is that what is the best way to engage

467
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:39,440
or to have Vermont Ga voice have Vermont
gas engaged in something like this?

468
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:43,440
» Yeah. Yeah. Well, first of all, uh this
is the first step, right? Um so

469
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:48,480
awareness, uh and I was so excited when
I saw it on your agenda. We have a a

470
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,240
small team of folks who have been
focused on geothermal for about four

471
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:56,000
years. And I'll just share, we proposed
our first project down at Rutland

472
00:33:53,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Regional Medical Center. Yeah. At a
facility down there, it was an

473
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:04,080
interesting part of uh PUC case history
and precedent. They basically said to

474
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,600
us, "Well, you can't do this project
even though it's not a gas project on

475
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,599
your pipeline in that area. you can't go
outside of your service territory to do

476
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:15,040
this at this time. Um it was under a
different commission. We then in recent

477
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:18,639
years have worked very hard in
Heinesburg and we we obtained the

478
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,560
funding through the Biden uh
administration era funding that was

479
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:26,159
available to actually do a true thermal
energy network with that but low there

480
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,000
was a change in election and
administration and that funding was

481
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:34,800
clawed back before we could spend it.
And so we've had to shift that into a

482
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:37,839
series of single group homes. But the
way that we thought about this is

483
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,000
community scale geothermal. It's a
question of you could do a series of of

484
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:46,159
single loop projects um and they may
serve multiple tenants. And you do have

485
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:49,359
the ability over time to connect
different geothermal systems if you

486
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,800
choose to such as thermal energy
network. But to your point, thermal

487
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:56,320
energy networks they're finding
nationwide that they're they're

488
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:59,839
expensive in developed area where you're
trying to retrofit them in part because

489
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:04,160
there's all these remedial steps with
existing buildings that cost a lot of

490
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,119
money. This is that loading of um steps
that I mentioned earlier. So it might be

491
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:10,960
you have to weatherize, might mean you
need to do extensive uh panel upgrades

492
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,280
in the buildings. You might need to do
different types of transformer upgrades

493
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:19,200
around the community. Whatever it is, um
the opportunity to do it, assuming the

494
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,240
geology is good, so you're not on a
bunch of ledge where it's going to be

495
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:26,160
cost prohibitive to drill test wells and
and get these loops into the ground. The

496
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,119
opportunity to do it is really in a new
development. We think generally it's

497
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:32,400
just going to probably be a little more
cost effective. So, I'd be happy to

498
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,079
connect, you know, if it's planning, I
don't know whom it is, but you know,

499
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:41,440
anyone who wants to talk with our
resident geothermal expert, um, Morvin

500
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Hood, who has really, uh, she was at
efficiency Vermont for about 15 years

501
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,359
before she came over. And she's led the
utility conversation about this to the

502
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,800
point where she's pulled together all
these gas utilities to get them

503
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:56,560
seriously talking about geothermal. And
they now have a consortium of something

504
00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:01,200
like a 100,000 gas customers nationwide
represented. and our staff person on our

505
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,720
team is one of the co-chairs nationwide
and we only have 56,000 customers. So,

506
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,000
you know, we're able to pull a lot of
cloud there. I will say there's a we are

507
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:11,760
familiar with all the consultants
working in this area. There are some

508
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:15,760
Vermont based consultants. Um, we're
also working with big national

509
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:20,400
geothermal drilling companies. So what
we're trying to do is figure out a

510
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:24,320
scalable replicable geothermal model
that works for single loop design for

511
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:28,000
multif family and then potentially for a
thermal energy network in a in a

512
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,720
development opportunity and maybe it's
this one right there's there's any

513
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,440
number of things that we're looking at
right now. So be happy to connect her uh

514
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,359
to talk through some of the technical
aspects of that and you know at a

515
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:43,839
minimum I would think that whoever the
consulting engineer designer is tech

516
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,920
» yeah whoever they are I mean they're
familiar maybe on some level with the

517
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,480
systems um but you know it's a question
of

518
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,079
» I don't know at which level but Morgan
would know when you want to do things

519
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:58,800
like test wells and you know site
feasibility to ensure that it's going to

520
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:02,160
be worth the the value if you invest a
bunch of money and I don't know if it's

521
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,280
capital or how it's going to be going in
realized over time or amortized. You

522
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,359
just want to make sure that it's going
to be viable to source the geothermal.

523
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:14,079
» So is that conceptually that at every
that at least at let's say every place

524
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:17,760
where we'd be considering a sleeve, you
do you know because there's a going to

525
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:21,359
be a building nearby, you do a geotech
at that location.

526
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,040
» I it's highly dependent on what the
building needs are. So I could foresee

527
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:28,800
scenarios and I'm not an expert. I'm not
a project designer. I'm not a geothermal

528
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:32,000
expert. But I am aware that the
opportunity with geothermal and these

529
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,160
thermal energy networks is sort of waste
heat recovery being part of a system

530
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:40,320
where you might have a factory producing
widgets and if you could draw upon their

531
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:44,320
energy stream to provide some of the
heat and keep that thermal load warm for

532
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:47,680
that sort of service and then be pulling
for cooling on the other side there's

533
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,480
sort of an economies of scale that can
be realized.

534
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,800
» Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Curling rink
actually might have a lot of good

535
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,760
thermal loss there.
>> Just saying.

536
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:58,960
» Yeah. Yeah. But but I I would be happy
to put you all in touch with Morgan,

537
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,880
whoever the right person is, and she's a
real expert and she can bring um

538
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,040
resources along to help you in this
direction. I think it's great. You know,

539
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,320
I'm not surprised a lot of
municipalities have been looking at

540
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,839
thermal energy networks. We actually
worked um over the last couple years

541
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:17,839
with some of the proponents of thermal
energy networks um who were working on

542
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:22,720
legislation. They did get a municipal
permission where a municipality could

543
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:26,720
operate a utility for these. Starting
utility is a big decision, right? Um I

544
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,839
won't get into that or the particulars
of that. We also, just so you know, we

545
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:36,880
work very hard during the development of
the uh CHIP program or the housing uh

546
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:41,119
infrastructure improvement program that
was recently adopted last year around

547
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:45,280
this time. I was down before the the
board that oversees the rules for that

548
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:49,760
and urged inclusion of a community scale
geothermal uh qualifier in there. It's

549
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,520
not clear how they're going to
operationalize it. So there's a lot of

550
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,839
interest to maybe seek legislation to
make clear geothermal could be uh

551
00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:01,200
permissible under the chip program. So
all this is to say there are

552
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:05,760
opportunities. It it's amazing because
geothermal is not a new technology. It's

553
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:09,920
been around a very long time. Um there's
been good systems, there's been not so

554
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:13,359
good systems, but it's waiting there to
be captured. And it's just a matter of

555
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:17,760
addressing the first cost. And the
initial cost is a lot. Um, but on the

556
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,960
other hand, you get all these life cycle
savings over its life cycle, which is

557
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:23,599
something in the scenario plannings, and
I think it was Natalie's question, it

558
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,800
sort of brings it to mind. It's like if
you're thinking about long term and

559
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:30,800
you're doing new development, there
might be an opportunity here. But, you

560
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:34,400
know, lease cost, you might find that if
you want to go all electric, there might

561
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:37,920
be other solutions that are more
cost-effective upfront. Will they be

562
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:41,280
over the lifetime of the project? We we
generally think that geothermal is the

563
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,480
most cost effective for heating and
cooling over time. There's a lot of

564
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,760
reasons for that. It's a lot better to
have a heat pump in a basement that's

565
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,480
probably pretty cool and relatively dry
as opposed to out. Catching leaves this

566
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,760
time of year or catching pollen in the
spring. I mean, all these things are

567
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:58,400
stressors on outdoor heat pumps. Doesn't
mean they're good or bad. It just means

568
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:03,040
that they're the reality of living in
Vermont with crazy weather. Um, and so

569
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,240
geothermal is sort of a captive system
in a basement. It's really, it's kind of

570
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,599
incredible depending how it's set up.
There's also like there's ways to locate

571
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,160
these systems where you have a loop and
it's feeding a whole network down a

572
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:14,000
street. So,
>> yeah.

573
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,400
» Yeah. All these options are on the
table.

574
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:23,280
» Great. Any other questions or comments
for Dylan?

575
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,320
My only quick take is that I think that
I I feel as though I think this is a

576
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:34,079
little bit similar to what Katie was
saying, but my feeling is that the the

577
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:39,040
need for the new residential
construction that is mostly or

578
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:45,040
completely
efficient would far outset the fact that

579
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:50,320
we have so much that is not. So in other
words, a and we have a housing crisis.

580
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:57,040
So I guess that's for me why I fall on
two on you know yeah the scenario two

581
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:02,319
but I also think that if you guys think
about scenario two where six years from

582
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:08,800
now or eight years from or you know nine
years from now there's a way to unplug

583
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:12,240
or you know take take the gas offline
and replace it with geothermal or

584
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:16,319
something else as the technology gets
better. that's gonna, you know, then

585
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:19,920
that's a then that's kind of a shortterm
and a long-term win.

586
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,440
» Yeah. Yeah. Great feedback. And I'll
just share the really cool thing about

587
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:27,440
geothermal. This might not be apparent.
You know, you you might not think about

588
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,960
the gas lines under the roads that we
have and there's certainly some steel

589
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:34,319
lines, but Vermont's system, it's really
new compared to many municipalities. We

590
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,920
have municipalities with structures well
over 100 years old for gas

591
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:42,079
infrastructure. In Vermont, a lot of it
has been upgraded since the 80s. We're

592
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:46,880
only 60 years old, but uh something like
80% of it is is polyethylene pipe. And

593
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:50,400
2inch polyethylene pipe is generally
what they use for geothermal groups. So,

594
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,200
you know, it's sort of this transferable
skill set. We're familiar with pipes,

595
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,760
we're familiar with things under the
ground. We're familiar with heat pump

596
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,839
systems, you know, radiant systems,
boilers, furnaces, all the above. And so

597
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:05,760
it's a really interesting opportunity
for our workforce to begin developing

598
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:09,119
knowledge of something that we know is
going to be around in the future that's

599
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,960
providing heating and cooling um without
some of the environmental impact that we

600
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:17,280
fully admit that our legacy product
natural gas contributes to. So where it

601
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,160
goes, I don't know. I mean, it's all a
question of affordability right now.

602
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:23,680
That's sort of in the foremost of
people's minds when we hear from

603
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,760
customers. So we have to do it in a way
that's cost effective. I expect that for

604
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,319
what it's worth, if you're plugging into
all these conversations, the

605
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,520
comprehensive energy plan that the
state's going to be developing over the

606
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:36,720
next year or so, really great
opportunity to hear from municipalities

607
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:40,400
thinking about the balance of what
you're considering. And um there's all

608
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,520
these great ways to plug in. I'll also
just do a plug just so you're aware

609
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,319
because we are a sponsor. The Energy
Action Network Conference is being held

610
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:52,160
at the Essex Resort this year. Yeah,
it's going to be right down the road

611
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:55,839
here at the farmhouse building out front
and I think it's like a week or two

612
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:59,040
away. So, if you haven't looked into it,
if you're interested, it's still open

613
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,000
for registration.
>> So, it's right in your backyard. So,

614
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,359
just a heads up. I'll be there and
always a good group of, you know,

615
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:06,560
thinking and lots of lots to learn in
that setting.

616
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,359
» Excellent.
>> Yeah.

617
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,240
» Great.
>> I think that's all I have. I

618
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:14,640
» That's great. No, that's exactly I think
we got certainly got to show you what we

619
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:18,640
wanted to show you, but I think um so if
you'd like, why don't you leave? I have

620
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,319
the presentation. I'll make sure it's
circulated and if we have any more

621
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,560
» comments and any of those questions,
we'll get those back to you.

622
00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:27,680
» Yeah, you could just email it right
over. Um,

623
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:31,440
» and yeah, I appreciate the time. This I
think this is my 13th municipality. I

624
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,720
got like another 20 stakeholders that
I'll be talking to.

625
00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:35,680
» Wow.
>> Before the middle of next month, so it's

626
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,319
fun. I get to do my tour and see
different parts of the state.

627
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,520
» And we'll we'll definitely want to
contact your colleague and if you can

628
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:45,680
send us that
>> point about the about what you know, how

629
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:48,079
many retrofiteds or how many
>> Yeah. Let me get right on

630
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,599
» installs. That will be great.
>> Might take me a few days. What is your

631
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,200
timeline for your report that you're
>> We were already late on it. So,

632
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:59,280
» well, there's no shame. There's a lot
going on. I understand. I'm I'm the

633
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:02,400
chair of our board of civil authority in
Essex Junction and we're late on

634
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,560
everything. So, don't worry about it.
>> Just one last question. Yes. On sort of

635
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:09,760
slightly related. Is there any talk in
Essex Junction about an energy committee

636
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,440
from what you can tell from just your
knowledge of the municipal city

637
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:17,200
government over there?
>> It depends. Um, you know, I joined a

638
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,240
» lawyer's answer.
>> Yes. Yes. You're good at that, right? I

639
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,640
I joined
>> Sounds wrong.

640
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:28,480
» Oh, good. Good. I joined one of the
focus groups uh with the town, I guess,

641
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:32,000
city plan uh renewal that we're doing
with the regional planning commission

642
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:35,440
and I joined the energy focus group and
I asked about that and it's just a

643
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:39,920
question of time and staff I suppose.
And you know, candidly, not to get on my

644
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:43,440
soap box, but I said at the beginning, I
think that we are realizing the growing

645
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,200
pains of a community that's half the
size it was. I imagine everyone's

646
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,520
realizing them. Sometimes it hurts more
than others, but um there's less

647
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:54,640
resources to go around for really
important things, and we're finding that

648
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:00,319
in the town you have a lot more
infrastructure set up over time. So,

649
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,319
I'll just say that I'm off my soap box.
Well,

650
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,599
» it's always great to have you both on
and off the soap box. So, thank you so

651
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,880
much for coming. Yeah, I'm gonna get out
of here only because I have to get

652
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,359
something else. But I'll follow up with
you on these. Thanks for your time.

653
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,520
Thanks for your service.
>> Thank you, Dylan.

654
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,520
» All right. Yeah, thanks for letting me
back in 81. I think it's years.

655
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:21,359
» Yeah. All right.
>> Awesome. Good to see you.

656
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:27,440
» Great.
>> All right. Uh, anything more we should

657
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:33,119
talk about there? I will circulate that
um that list and then we can if there's

658
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:37,520
any more maybe you know if folks want to
add some question add some answers to

659
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,760
that um I think that's a that's a good
use of time. Um, okay. Switching to a

660
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,240
couple of
>> could I could I just say one thing?

661
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:54,960
» Of course.
>> Yeah. Uh, so I had a chance to meet with

662
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:59,119
the run-on climate uh uh fellow and he
with regard well actually I think we're

663
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:07,040
going to get to this in terms of have we
already now gone through the upper main

664
00:46:02,319 --> 00:46:10,560
um uh thermal energy pro progress? Have
we moved it and already talked about it

665
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,760
or are we gonna come back to that?
>> No, we can talk about that next if you

666
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:19,680
want. Um because I do think
>> Germaine the conversation.

667
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:25,920
» Yep. Okay. No, I'll wait till we get
there. No problem. I was just going to

668
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:29,760
comment on that. Yeah.
>> Um

669
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,960
so the next item on our agenda was
community day and the election day info

670
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:41,200
tables. So on community day, that's
September 19th. Do I have that right?

671
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:45,839
» I believe. So I sent that email.
>> I'm sure you did.

672
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:50,720
» With all the rules and regulations for
setting something up.

673
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:53,720
» Yeah. Okay. Hold on one second. Maybe I
can.

674
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:10,880
Okay.
>> Elections table.

675
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:16,000
» I saw the election table request.
>> So the town's moderator, John Sonic, who

676
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,280
handles all the election protocol.
>> Yes.

677
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,200
» Uh request at the table. As long as the
committee stays within the rules

678
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:31,880
mentioned in the policy that's attached,
Greg will allow it. Um,

679
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,880
if you had any other questions.

680
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,920
» Yeah.
>> To get some answers. Uh, I have the you

681
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,640
have the policy there too. The
>> I do. Yeah. The BCA politician policy. I

682
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:47,359
think it was just like where you're set
at the table and

683
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:52,160
you know obviously you can't discuss
>> right anything about the election.

684
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:55,520
» Yeah.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. It's a pretty

685
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,800
straightforward policy.
>> Yeah.

686
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,680
» So is this going to be over at the Essex
Middle School?

687
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,160
» Exactly.
>> Where table B?

688
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:12,000
Last time that we did this, which I
think was in 20

689
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,960
have been 2020.
>> No, we Oh,

690
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:20,480
» I thought we did it last year. I thought
we were there last year at

691
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:25,280
» the election.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm on community day.

692
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:28,800
Sorry, election. Nope, you're right.
>> Jump back to community day. Sean John

693
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:33,920
was right in pointing out that we did
receive the the note, you know, the the

694
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:37,920
the the background on the election table
request.

695
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,480
Um,
so let's see.

696
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:51,119
Let me just check one thing about that.
Let's see. Yeah, they are welcome to set

697
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:55,359
up outside on the walkway into the
school. It would be fine for them. This

698
00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:01,599
is coming from
John Sonic, I think. Yes. Who is the is

699
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:06,400
he that he's the town he's on the board
of civil authority and he's basically

700
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:10,720
the guy who runs all the elections. He
said uh it would be fine for them to be

701
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:13,680
a little closer to the school that we
normally allow since I assume they

702
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:16,559
wouldn't be waving placards for a
candidate or an issue on the ballot. And

703
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,079
if they are in fact supporting something
on the ballot, they just have to stay in

704
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,359
the normal zone. I don't think they
could be inside the school just because

705
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:28,000
there'sn't a lot of room in there. We
will have some pole workers in that

706
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:33,599
vestibule area. Ah, and school is in
session that day. So, that is different

707
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:40,079
from what we had before. Last time we
were in the hallway on the on the way

708
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:44,000
into the gym.
Do you think I should ask? Why don't I

709
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,319
say we did this last time and as long as
we keep that table pretty thin, wouldn't

710
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,720
there be a way that we could be on the
inside?

711
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,680
» Can't hurt to ask.
>> Can't hurt to ask. Why don't I ask? That

712
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,760
would be my action item is to ask to see
if there's any way that we can do it

713
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,359
inside.
>> Do we have

714
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:06,240
» we do it on election day?
>> We did I think back Natalie, don't do

715
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:12,480
you remember wasn't that like 2018 that
we did that? Um

716
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:16,800
» boy, I Let's see. 336. It could have
been that long ago. Yeah, it it really

717
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:22,000
could have. Yeah,
>> I remember we were giving out like lots

718
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:27,040
of Vermont gas um you know, the the
weather stripping and um and some info

719
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,400
as well.
>> So, long time ago,

720
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,960
» it was a long time ago for sure. And
maybe they're more nervous about it this

721
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:40,000
year, but can't hurt to ask. why don't I
ask and then we can make a we can make a

722
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:44,400
decision on it on that basis because
sitting outside it's just like bof

723
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:49,440
however long and I also believe and
again this is going back on memory to

724
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:55,680
2018 we were not there the whole day we
were we picked like I think maybe the

725
00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:01,520
prime time sometime between like 4:00
and six o'clock and that's what I would

726
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:06,400
propose to do again is just that we pick
a pick a peak hour Do we know what we

727
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:09,359
want to have on the table and be
communicating a better?

728
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,359
» Not yet. But that brings us back to
September 19th because I think whatever

729
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:16,000
it is going to be for community day, we
should do the same thing at the uh at

730
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,520
the election.
>> Should we pose the three scenarios that

731
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:23,760
the one just presented?
>> We could certainly do that. We could

732
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:26,880
say, "What do you think about the IRP?"
and and put out a placard about that.

733
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:31,599
» Oh, yeah.
>> Or have a little vote. What we've done

734
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,880
in the past is we've had jars and we've
given, you know, ballots and let people

735
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,319
kind of,
>> you know, put in their vote, right?

736
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,880
» Yeah. We had the bean count.
>> The bean count, which was great. We did

737
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:47,200
that to try to try to get our new name.
>> Um,

738
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:53,960
but I think beyond that for community
day,

739
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,960
let me just double check on that.

740
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:10,119
Yeah. Community day Essex.
Wait.

741
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,760
» Community fall festival.
>> Community fall festival.

742
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,359
» Yeah.

743
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:31,040
Uh September 19th, 11 to 4
>> at Boston Road Park. 11 to 4. Okay.

744
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:39,680
» That's the one they set up in the soccer
fields and baseball fields, right?

745
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:45,520
» And I do think that we confirmed.
>> Oh, you did.

746
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:47,680
» I thought we did also. Yeah.
>> Yep.

747
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:53,520
» Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. I definitely remember the whole

748
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:59,520
scenario from last year. Yeah.
So, you should be getting something from

749
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,000
Nicole or Jen from Parks and Recreation.
>> Yes.

750
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,960
» Where
I don't know if they have like a map of

751
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:09,359
where people are going to be. If you
just go

752
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:13,040
set a table up and first come, first
serve. I don't know how that works.

753
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:18,160
» I think so. So, maybe what I should do,
let me just check one thing on my end.

754
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:24,000
Um,
pass in. So September 19th is the

755
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:27,839
Saturday. So in other words, it's not
this Saturday, but it's the following

756
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:30,480
Saturday.
>> And you said 11 to 4.

757
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:36,720
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So maybe what I should do is I I

758
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:40,400
will put that on everybody's calendar or
unless you want to put it on your

759
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:46,640
calendar right now, but send up a signup
sheet so that we can, you know, pick

760
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:50,079
times to to try to be there. And I think
after that it's really going to be a

761
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:55,200
question of what information do we want
to have out?

762
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:59,839
Um, and maybe if I can get a what I what
I'm envisioning is that we should get

763
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:06,319
info. I'm just brainstorming this now.
So others by all means chime in, but I'm

764
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:11,480
thinking some combination of Vermont gas
um

765
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:11,480
efficiency Vermont

766
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:18,960
and probably stuff that we can make on
our own. if it's the energy plan, you

767
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:24,079
know, like a like a thing about the
energy plan, about the IRP like you

768
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:27,079
said, Gita,
um

769
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:35,440
our charter, if the charter is approved,
because I did send that in to um you

770
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,839
know, to the select board and I don't
know when it is that they're going to

771
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:42,480
actually hear on that, but we can at
least we can at least talk about that

772
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:46,720
with folks.
And then who am I missing?

773
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:53,760
CCR. Well, actually, I'm wondering about
um

774
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:58,880
VCAN now that I'm realizing that they're
having this festival, this um

775
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:04,040
» Oh, energy action network.
>> Energy or Yeah, sorry. Energy Action

776
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Network.

777
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:10,599
Bear with me for one second on that.
What are the details there?

778
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Oh, that's the 23rd. Okay.

779
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:26,480
Well, they actually always have a lot of
good stuff, too. So, maybe we ask them

780
00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:31,119
for information as well. Like, they have
all those charts. You know, I'm just

781
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:35,359
looking one now. How far does $10 take
you? Electric versus g gasoline

782
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:41,319
vehicles. They have kind of great stuff
like that that we can share with folks.

783
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:41,319
Um,

784
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:47,960
does that sound good to everybody or any
any thoughts one way or the other

785
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:58,640
maybe what we can do is um
>> will sorry it's hard to know when to

786
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:04,960
interrupt. Yeah. Well, just it would be
helpful to know who who would be

787
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:10,640
available to to work at the table. My my
experience is you you're probably okay

788
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:16,799
with just one person at a time given
what I'm remembering about the traffic.

789
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:20,640
Um but do we have folks available? I
just curious. I know you were going to

790
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:26,960
send around the signup sheet, but I'm
just curious who's available.

791
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:31,760
» Yeah, the n So it's the 19th from 11 to
4.

792
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:35,760
I know I'm available. I'm happy to to
take the first shift and kind of get

793
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:40,880
some stuff organized.
>> I'm available.

794
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:43,880
» I'm available after two. After two.
Okay.

795
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,680
» Great,
Rod.

796
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:53,359
» Great.
>> Yeah. So, we've got So, we actually have

797
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,520
um four people. Okay. So, we've got
plenty of folks who can can help with

798
00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:01,760
this. That's great.
>> Yep. Okay.

799
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:08,880
» Great. So I think in the in the interim
what what maybe what I'll do is with an

800
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:14,240
email I may um you know set out some
delegate you know to delegate some of

801
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:19,440
the let's go get some information from
efficiency Vermont from etc like we've

802
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:24,000
traditionally done in the past knowing
that this is very new to Ken but I think

803
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:30,000
everybody else we you know we've had it
and Ken it'll be second nature to you

804
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:33,079
once you once you see a lot of it So,
all right.

805
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:42,559
» Good stuff. Um,
next item that I had on the agenda was

806
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:48,640
Oh, yeah. The planning commission
request about the energy plan. So, Sean,

807
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:52,480
remind me about that again.
>> So,

808
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:57,119
they asked that we come and talk to
them.

809
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:02,000
» They want uh the board's work plans for
the coming year. Yeah.

810
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:07,760
» Uh any budget requests that you may have
starting on July 1st, 27th.

811
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:12,880
» Um
>> did they want us to come meet with them?

812
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:16,640
» So they will set an appointment up with
the board. It looks like it will be

813
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:21,440
either I don't think it's going to be
the 14th because um I would hope that

814
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,400
you had heard something
>> before Monday. Yeah.

815
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:30,240
» October 5th, October 19th, and November
2nd. Those are the dates that they will

816
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:34,559
be
going. The select board will be going

817
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:36,720
over all the commissions and boards.
>> I see. Okay.

818
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:41,920
» Coming year.
>> So, do we need to get back to them to

819
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,920
say like we prefer this date?
>> Um,

820
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:52,400
» oh, I see. Yes. Let's see. Upcoming
select board meetings are Monday,

821
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:55,839
September 14th, October 5th, October
19th, and November 2nd. Please not

822
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,839
there's a broader effort to improve
communication.

823
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,680
» I like the idea of November 2nd because
it gives us more time.

824
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:15,160
» Save the best for last, right?
>> Yeah, maybe.

825
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,760
» Um, so let's just But going through
their bullets just quickly, they say

826
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:25,040
they want to know your board's work plan
for the coming year. I have that. I

827
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,960
haven't sent it to you guys yet, but we
could post it up on the board here in a

828
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:33,760
minute. Does your board have any budget
requests for fiscal year 28, which

829
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:39,520
starts on July 127? I think the answer
is we don't know yet. Uh what is working

830
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:43,520
well on although I do think that maybe
some component of that is going to be

831
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:50,400
the research into the sleeves and the
and the um geothermal as part of the um

832
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:54,079
you know, as part of the upper Main
Street project. though I I do have

833
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:57,119
information on that.
>> Okay.

834
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:01,920
» Going off of one of the scenarios that
they have for the buildings. It's

835
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,960
95,650T
building.

836
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,000
» Um
and the different types of

837
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:11,920
» Wait, sorry, John. That's the aggregate
of all the square footage of all the

838
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,440
buildings or is that just one specific
>> of the the megaplex of all the buildings

839
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:20,319
» of everything?
>> Um okay.

840
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:24,079
And typically that's how they determine
how many wells they need to dig is by

841
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,079
the square footage. So typically for a
building that size it's going to between

842
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,839
20 and $50,000.
>> Okay.

843
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:37,040
» Um and that's the mobilization setup,
drills, generating equipment. And they

844
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:43,440
have to drill and cast for the for the
BS. They're typically 300 to 500 ft deep

845
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:48,480
at 20 to $40 per foot depending on if
they're hitting rock, sand,

846
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:53,359
» ledge, etc. Yeah. Um then they have to
do uh what's called a loop installation

847
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:57,920
and grouting. So it's like a high
density polyurethane tubes that are

848
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:02,880
loaded into the wells and then they do
what's called a thermal response testing

849
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,079
on on what's coming up
>> circulating through that and that's how

850
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:13,720
they determine
>> how much you BTUs basically is that

851
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,720
you'll be able to get out of those

852
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:21,359
» um for this area of Vermont for that
amount of square foot. How many wells do

853
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:25,319
they think they need to drill? So, let's
see. Anywhere between

854
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:37,559
it was almost 500. Let me I I know it's
in there somewhere. Wow. Thought

855
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:37,559
» that is a lot.

856
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:50,480
» I had a question too. Well,
>> yeah. Yeah. In general, can some of

857
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:55,680
those wells be under parking lots?
Good question. I I can't imagine why

858
01:01:52,240 --> 01:02:00,079
they wouldn't, but I
but I do seem I do feel like I mostly at

859
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:02,640
least of the ones that I've seen, it
does seem like most of them are out in a

860
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:07,200
field somewhere.
>> Yeah.

861
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:12,799
» So, I don't know if if that is a product
of they don't want to be under under a

862
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:17,319
parking lot because of access like you
access them again.

863
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:17,319
» I don't I don't know.

864
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:24,960
I guess it it depends on on what they
run into for how many they're going to

865
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:28,079
have to drill, but it it's going to be
quite a few. I guess the exact number is

866
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:32,240
not in here.
>> Okay.

867
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:37,200
» The reason I brought that up is um I'm
I'm sure there's some kind of uh

868
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:41,280
distance between wells. So, you can
fairly rapidly figure out how big the

869
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:46,000
field would have to be and then overlay
that on top of the thing. it was 2/3 of

870
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,280
that area there. That's
>> no point.

871
01:02:46,799 --> 01:02:51,599
» Yeah.
>> Right.

872
01:02:49,040 --> 01:03:01,119
Um but yeah, so then they do that that
thermal test and it's it's expensive in

873
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:05,200
the beginning, but you know over 10 to
20 years you could save millions of

874
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:11,720
dollars and electricity.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

875
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:11,720
» So it's a high cost, high payoff.

876
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:18,000
Certainly something they should look
into I think if they're gonna you know

877
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,200
» so then okay so that might be so we'll
come back to that a little bit but so

878
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,119
that might be our budget request in part
and then we have to go into the where

879
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:28,880
where else can we find some grants for
to supplement that

880
01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:32,559
uh
okay then we have to find what is

881
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:38,240
working well on your board and what
could be approved plenty and plenty I

882
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:43,039
would say what do you what do you want
or need to be a more effective committee

883
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,160
Okay, I'm just throwing out these
questions here without putting out the

884
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:54,079
answers. Maybe we should talk about this
a little bit more next time. Um, but my

885
01:03:51,839 --> 01:04:02,960
just to say it out loud, what I think
would be so much so helpful is if we

886
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:06,799
could get more data from the treasures
about like what, you know, where meters

887
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,680
are, what we're, you know, like what
we're paying, what we're paying

888
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,039
annually,
how much savings are we getting from the

889
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:15,680
solar, all those kinds of things. You
know what I mean? Almost like building a

890
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:21,839
dashboard,
>> right? So, I mean, we can I can give you

891
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:24,880
every penny the town's spent on gas and
electricity.

892
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:30,079
» I have all of that.
>> You do? Okay. All right. So, that may be

893
01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:32,880
» as far as as the credits for the solar.
>> Yeah.

894
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:38,640
» But I I don't I have all that
information. Dan Roy, I believe, would

895
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:42,400
he he deals with the credits and Yeah.
paying. I think we should get I think if

896
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:48,000
we're going to go meet with the select
board on November 2nd, let's get that

897
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:52,640
info because Andy Watts has been asking
for that for years and I feel like we've

898
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:58,079
never really delivered on that.
Not because we I mean not because we I I

899
01:04:55,599 --> 01:05:00,079
feel like we have asked, but just make
it a solid ask,

900
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,680
» right?
>> We have like what 60% or 40% that we

901
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:11,680
could add more to the buildings to the
credits. We could be getting more credit

902
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,079
based upon what GB said then what do we
know?

903
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:18,960
» Right. I don't understand how it all
works. I know there's 215 panels on top

904
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,440
of the police station and
>> yeah,

905
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:27,200
» I get about $200 worth of saving.
>> Can we get that or does that

906
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:33,760
» I I think that's what we save on the
electric bill. So on average police

907
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:37,520
stations anywhere from 3 to 3500 a
month. uh depending, you know,

908
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:41,520
summertime we get
>> sometimes a thousand dollars that's

909
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,839
knocked off the bill, but I believe
there's some credit stuff in the

910
01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:47,359
background that I'm I don't know how all
that works,

911
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:50,559
» right?
>> Um

912
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:54,480
» you could add more more of your accounts
into the pool solar and get some of the

913
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,839
credits the excess that you're
generating,

914
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,400
» right?
>> You could apply to some of your builds.

915
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:04,480
» Whatever we can do because like I just
said, it's 18.11%. No, that's going to

916
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,240
that's going to smart.
>> It's not stopping.

917
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:11,520
» Yeah,
>> it's just going to skyrocket.

918
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:17,520
» The more demand for electric, the higher
it gets. Just the way it is.

919
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:22,319
» Yeah. Well, and also I mean, you know,
Dylan's quip about the trade war is not

920
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:27,680
a trivial thing. I mean, if it gets if
it got really ugly,

921
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,200
» it could get really ugly for Vermont.
>> Right.

922
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,240
» Right.
>> It will. I have to get going.

923
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:36,079
» You got to get going. All right. Thank
you, Ken. Great stuff. We'll we'll

924
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:39,039
communicate on the rest of the of it by
email. Okay. Really appreciate it. All

925
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:42,960
right.
>> Thanks.

926
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,160
» Um, okay. So, and then the last question
on this was stipens. How do volunteers

927
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:52,079
feel about them? Are they useful in
contributing? Have we gotten our

928
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:56,319
only one person has ever asked me for a
stipen?

929
01:06:53,520 --> 01:07:00,559
» That's fine. And that was if so if you
want a stipen

930
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:06,160
» at at each meeting I need to know who
wants the stipen because I have to fill

931
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:10,480
out paperwork for each person. So I
>> I'm told that I that I don't have to

932
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:15,760
announce that but I don't know how that
works either to be honest with you. I

933
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:22,000
know I have the saved. I just change the
dates on it and send it. So if you want

934
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:26,079
the stipen I I think it's
>> 20 bucks.

935
01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:28,960
» No. I don't know. I want to say 90.
>> Really?

936
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:32,079
» I could be wrong.
>> I I don't know to be honest with you. I

937
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:36,720
can find out.
>> Okay. Sure. Why don't you find out first

938
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:42,960
and then we can go back to that. Okay.
All right. So, we need to we'll need to

939
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:47,039
respond to that then. But could do you
want to just ask and put us on for

940
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:52,359
November 2nd
and that gives us a little more time to

941
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,359
talk about this in October.

942
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Y.

943
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:04,960
Now, as to the work plan, I'm just
looking and it is just let me just look

944
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:10,039
at what's on our agenda.
What else is on our agenda for tonight?

945
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:16,239
I think the right thing to do here
because I did not get the work plan to

946
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:24,040
everybody before this meeting is that I
will I'll send that here. I can put it

947
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:24,040
up right now. Give me one second.

948
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:35,239
I just want to send work plan draft.

949
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,759
Okay, there we go.

950
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:48,880
» Oops. Bear with me.
>> Yeah, Will, while you're looking for

951
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:56,000
that, just two things. One is do we need
the I I remember we used our popup tent

952
01:08:52,880 --> 01:09:01,359
for the community day. Does that sound
familiar to folks?

953
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:07,040
» It does. Is that back with you?
>> Well, it is. The only thing is that it

954
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:11,600
has a tear in it unrelated to its use
last year and we're having somebody

955
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:17,040
repair it. I think I can probably pull
it in in time or get it back in time,

956
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:21,719
but does anyone else have a popup that's
available in case I can't?

957
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:28,560
» That sounds like a no.
>> I think it's a no unless unless Ken has

958
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:33,520
one because no longer here.
>> Yeah. Well, I'll just let's just figure

959
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:37,600
we'll try to call ours in. So, the other
thing is I I haven't heard Doy in the

960
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,520
meeting. It's hard for me to know who's
there. Am I right?

961
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:45,440
» You are correct. And I was I was going
to raise that issue, but go ahead and

962
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:50,480
say what's on your mind about that.
>> Well, you're probably going there too

963
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:54,159
maybe. Uh Will is just around uh somehow
celebrating DIY. So, I'll just leave it

964
01:09:52,640 --> 01:10:00,320
there and we'll get to it when we get to
it. But yeah, I don't know when she's

965
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:06,239
moving. Um so, just making sure we think
of something there. I think that would

966
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:12,960
be an important gesture.
Yeah, understood.

967
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:18,239
Um, and moreover, maybe actually Sean,
one thing that we could do just right

968
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:22,640
off the bat there is that in the past
for members of the committee who've been

969
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,760
on for more than a year, we've ended up
with kind of like a certificate of

970
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:31,440
appreciation
from the select board or I think it

971
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,400
usually comes from the select board. Um,
and I think that that's definitely

972
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,199
called for in the case of
>> Doie.

973
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:42,320
» I think we made it a year, but we were
sort of like it just sort of depended on

974
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:47,600
level of contribution. And she certainly
qualifies.

975
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:51,719
» She been how many roughly?
>> Uh, at least five.

976
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:58,719
» Quite a few. Yeah. Yeah,
>> at least five. Maybe close to six.

977
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:10,239
I I'm also thinking maybe a chance to
sit down with her or something. I I

978
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:15,199
don't know. I know Ga you had spoken
about Well, anyway,

979
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:19,679
» uh a gift possibly and if I'm
remembering all this correctly. Yeah.

980
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:27,600
It's just I think celebrating her in
some um fairly intentional way would be

981
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:31,040
I think good. Should we do that in the
month of September, you think? Or maybe

982
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:36,000
first week of October, something like
that?

983
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:42,800
» When is she moving?
>> I there was no date she mentioned. It

984
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:48,080
was like dependent on
when she finds h housing,

985
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:52,719
right?
Contingent there.

986
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:57,440
» But I was thinking put a basket together
with Vermont stuff. since she's living

987
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:03,840
out of state.
>> Yeah. And and Keith, I know my initial

988
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:10,080
response to that wasn't and I say go for
it if you're I mean if everybody else

989
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:13,600
agrees, I'm happy to contribute.
>> Just bring in your best of you put it

990
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:17,679
together.
>> Yeah. If you put it together, we'll

991
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:22,000
reimburse you all for it or you want
input. But if you don't mind taking that

992
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,320
as a charge, then
>> great.

993
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:31,760
any any kind of G like I'm extremely
surprised she's not there now so it

994
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:37,600
makes this conversation easier but do we
want to try to schedule or make sure

995
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:41,320
she's at the next meeting or how do we
in terms of presentation

996
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,920
» I'm starting to think maybe a a
standalone event might be better easier

997
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:53,199
to organize we don't have to worry about
open meeting and all that right just to

998
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:57,760
kind of say goodbye to her and
But then if we can get the letter of

999
01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:02,000
recognition and then we can say
something more formalized at the next

1000
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,360
meeting, that's probably the best way to
handle this.

1001
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:10,719
» I'm looking
legal analysis, but

1002
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:14,719
» yeah. Right. So that we would say
something formal at the next meeting,

1003
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:20,880
assuming that she can come, but then
have a a a um just sitting down at at a

1004
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:25,440
local restaurant or bar or something
like that and um Yeah. having Is that

1005
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:31,800
what you're thinking? Okay.
>> Yeah. And shooting the breeze with her

1006
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,800
» just thanking her for service.

1007
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:40,320
» So why don't we do that? I'm inclined on
the on the work plan because you guys

1008
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:44,800
haven't had a chance to see this. It's
very similar to the one that we talked

1009
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:50,800
about last time, but I don't think it
hurts if we're going to have the meeting

1010
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:55,760
uh November 2nd for us to review, you
know, to have you guys review this and

1011
01:13:53,199 --> 01:14:01,679
make sure we're all in agreement on it
before the or at the October

1012
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:08,239
meeting. and then we can just approve
it, send it to them, go from there.

1013
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:11,440
That sound okay to everybody?
It's a lot easier than trying to read it

1014
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,960
on screen just kind of given where we
all are.

1015
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:23,280
So, um Okay.
Um why don't then we Okay. So, regarding

1016
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:28,080
the energy plan though specifically,
Sean,

1017
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:35,800
» I think um didn't Ann Jandice say that
she was

1018
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,800
able to help just do some of the

1019
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:42,760
like touching up on that. Just see if I
got that

1020
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:50,960
comment.
No, I think that's what I think that's

1021
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:57,520
what I should do is get our current
draft back to her to take a look at and

1022
01:14:53,600 --> 01:15:03,120
probably copy um
uh Catherine at the CDO as well to say

1023
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:06,080
here are our changes so that we can then
get that

1024
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:09,760
» get that back to everybody.
>> Okay.

1025
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:15,360
» Um Okay. So Natalie, why don't you tell
us about you had some other progress as

1026
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:20,640
far as like the funding and the work
that you were looking into for the Upper

1027
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:26,320
Main Street project.
>> Will, it was more, you know, me meeting

1028
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:33,520
with the the run on climate fellow and
his his strong feeling. I I I showed him

1029
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:41,120
he has the emails that Katherine sent
with regard to the test um the utility

1030
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:47,280
sleeves and the the the test well etc.
And he he just said that it is um well

1031
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:53,280
Dylan was touching on this that these
pipes can last a hundred years, the heat

1032
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:59,120
exchange can last about 30 years and
that to approach it anything other I

1033
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:04,800
mean if we were remotely serious about
it to approach it anything other than

1034
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:10,159
toward the beginning of the project
rather than after the fact is the thing

1035
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:15,199
that would financially make the most
sense. Now, do I have all the numbers to

1036
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:19,679
back that up? But he said that it but
then Debbie knew is going to be, you

1037
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:23,840
know, he was going to actually be
talking with Debbie the day after I met

1038
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:30,000
with him.
And uh but he said, "Boy, if you can get

1039
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:36,320
it off the ground at the beginning, um
you know, above and beyond just the

1040
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:42,640
test, the test well, etc. That would be
in the big scheme of things, hard as it

1041
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:48,159
might be to imagine this, the most
economically logical.

1042
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:53,120
That is what I've learned.
>> Right.

1043
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:57,679
Okay. That's very helpful.
That's very helpful. Well, I'm inclined

1044
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:04,320
to get in touch with the the person that
Dylan recommended the Vermont Gas.

1045
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:10,719
Oh, can can I'm sorry that does he said
LN the LN consulting uh folks really

1046
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,320
highly regarded and
>> okay

1047
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:23,040
» and and part of his job is also
understanding how to influence policy

1048
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:27,920
makers. Um and he he said getting
getting a the ear of or having a

1049
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:35,520
conversation with a couple of select
board members would be really valuable.

1050
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:43,440
Um, and you know, Shannon Jackson comes
to mind. And then in my infinite wisdom,

1051
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:46,960
I said, "And Ethan Morris,"
which was I don't maybe you all don't

1052
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:52,719
understand why I think that's so funny,
but um anyway, but I you know, just in

1053
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:58,880
terms of talking with them individually
or or or as a duo about um the possib in

1054
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:03,679
other words, not just landing it on
them, you know, in at some other date,

1055
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:09,600
but but actually talking with them about
it and trying to build a relationship

1056
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:13,280
around the consideration of this.
>> Yeah,

1057
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:17,679
» he suggested that. Yeah,
>> did you end up going to the Saturday?

1058
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:22,480
» I was gonna bring this up. One of the
interesting things that I came away from

1059
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:26,320
that meeting after having spoken with um
people from transportation and trails

1060
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:30,400
and conservation and then housing.
>> And this just for everybody's just just

1061
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:37,280
to frame it. So, this is you going to
the Saturday meetings that they have at

1062
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:40,640
the um at the
>> Uncommon Ground.

1063
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,159
» Yeah. So, I went to the the breakfast
recently.

1064
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:47,440
» Oh, the breakfast one. That's right.
>> And then Yes. So, the the Saturday

1065
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:51,040
things will be coming up. But, um it's
interesting how it seems like

1066
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:55,600
everybody's in like their little silos.
So the housing people um so like Lois

1067
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:59,360
the the chair for the housing has like
some really interesting fantastic ideas

1068
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:03,120
about how to address some of the housing
needs. Then you have transportation

1069
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:10,159
talking about how do we best meet
transportation needs for citizens of the

1070
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:14,719
town. Um and then um similar for for the
trails but there's like an energy

1071
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:20,640
component to all of these things. So, it
just feels like there's some like

1072
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:25,520
missing connection on how do we how do
we make sure that any of those kind of

1073
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:30,640
projects that may be coming forth or
when bigger things come through the town

1074
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:34,320
that has, you know, any sort of
regulation on like new buildings or

1075
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:38,640
things like that. How do we
>> how do we have input on that? I don't

1076
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:41,840
know if that's part of the kind of
action plan is this kind of

1077
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:47,440
collaboration with with the other
committees for things that may have an

1078
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:50,719
energy component to it or just stronger
recommendations for regulation.

1079
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:55,840
» Well, that's very that's really
important that you had that. I'm glad

1080
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:59,920
that you were there. Um
yeah, I think I mean I think the

1081
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:03,679
newsletter helps the one that the town
puts out because we can at least see

1082
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:09,199
that through that what other groups are
doing. But um but yeah, I think more

1083
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:13,120
collaboration opportunities would be
really good. And and is that breakfast

1084
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:18,239
meeting? Did they talk about that? So is
that coming up? Is that this weekend?

1085
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:21,920
» So the the breakfast was last Friday.
>> The breakfast was Friday, but then the

1086
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:27,440
one that they do at Uncommon.
>> Yeah. So I don't I don't know if it's

1087
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:30,480
coming out this weekend or if it's next.
But those are on Saturday.

1088
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:33,440
» Yeah. I have a feeling it might be this
Saturday.

1089
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:36,960
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1090
01:20:35,199 --> 01:20:43,320
Well, to just to Natalie's point, that
might be a point to talk with some of

1091
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,320
those guys individually about,

1092
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:53,040
you know, about the need to be just to
be hammering on this, taking the thermal

1093
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:57,360
geothermal more seriously.
>> Yeah.

1094
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:03,679
» Okay. Well, great. Thank you both for
those updates. I think that's great.

1095
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:09,280
Um, I had on my list the charter and I
did send that just tonight to Greg Dugen

1096
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:13,520
and said, "Here you go. This took a long
time for us to put it together, but here

1097
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:18,000
it is and we'd like your input and see
if it can be approved by the select

1098
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:23,199
board." So, what I'm hoping, um, Sean,
is that maybe that maybe they approve

1099
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:28,480
that on November 2nd if if that's when
we meet with them.

1100
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:31,600
that will that's where they're going to
discuss all of that stuff. So

1101
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:33,840
» yeah, perfect.
>> Yep.

1102
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:39,440
» It gives enough time, but it also gives
enough time that if Greg or is it Karen?

1103
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:42,640
If Greg or Karen wanted us to change
something else on it or there's

1104
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,440
something else that causes a problem,
they've got time to get it to us and we

1105
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:49,120
can get a we can get a track.
>> Right. I I would send it once you find

1106
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,440
out what date you're going to be at. I
would send it to Karen and Greg.

1107
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,639
» Yeah.
>> Know at least a week or so.

1108
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,840
» Well, they have it now. Oh, they have
Oh, that's why you just sent it. Yeah.

1109
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:02,000
So, that I would think that that's
plenty of time.

1110
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:08,320
» Yeah. Okay. Good. Good. Good. Good. All
right. Last item that I have. I have

1111
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:12,239
print copies of this, believe it or not.
Take a look and I'll I'll post it up

1112
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:18,239
here on the screen in just a second.
This is my not

1113
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:23,520
hopefully short but sweet take for the
Essex um

1114
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:29,520
you know for front porch
on the Essex uh experience story the

1115
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:35,679
exorter story right which is that story
about Sun and Essex experience getting

1116
01:22:32,480 --> 01:22:40,120
together so hold on Rod and Natalie and
I'll put this up for you

1117
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:47,760
See, there we go.
>> Now, do we have some data from them on

1118
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:50,480
how almost their savings?
>> Not yet, but we could certainly ask for

1119
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,520
that.
>> Yeah, that'd be good to get some stats

1120
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:59,199
on.
>> Yep. Okay.

1121
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:04,239
So, this is what I have, which is which
is very generic, but I agree with the

1122
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:09,040
suggestion that maybe we ask both of
them. What's the What would be good to

1123
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:15,040
know is what the total
kilowatt hour is between

1124
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:20,880
what's on the Essex Experience and
what's on the Spawn Resort.

1125
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:26,480
» Yeah, you could you you could definitely
get that because you're most utilities

1126
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:30,639
are obligated to provide that
>> how much you're generating.

1127
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:36,719
» Oh. Oh, I see. Yeah. every month your
your your bill should show how much

1128
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:44,159
you're generating and if if Experience
gets a consolidated bill and

1129
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:47,920
um depending on how they're
account set up, you should be able to

1130
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:51,840
get that information.
>> Okay,

1131
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:56,320
I'm going to email this to everybody.
So, how about we do this and say that

1132
01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:00,719
because we're going to get that that
information,

1133
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:07,600
but I'm just going to say please provide
edits.

1134
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:17,560
Uh, and I will seek out from
I think we should ask for it from Suncom

1135
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:17,560
the info on total KWH

1136
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:25,920
output savings etc. I can get that from
Mike McCarthy, who I know pretty well.

1137
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:28,480
You probably know Mike very well, too.
But he'd be a good person to get that

1138
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:33,840
from, I think.
>> Yeah, that would be a good P.

1139
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:37,159
» Okay, so I'll send that now.
There we go.

1140
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:53,679
Very good. That'll go out to everybody
here in just a second. and I sent you

1141
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:57,560
the email on when that letter goes out.
>> Okay.

1142
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,560
» Um,

1143
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:05,040
PS6
News Monthly Community, it is going out

1144
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:08,239
this Friday. I sent that to you on the
31st.

1145
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:15,920
» Oh, yes.
>> But I believe it's

1146
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:19,440
the same Friday of every
>> Oh, was it Friday? Wait, this is Brian

1147
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,199
comment. No, for
>> this is for this letter you wanted to

1148
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:26,000
do.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Right. Right.

1149
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:28,960
Right. Pages, Facebook, all that stuff.
>> Y

1150
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:32,639
this Friday. All right. Well, let me
see. By noon on Thursday. Well, let me

1151
01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:35,679
see if I I'll I'll email Mike tonight
and maybe he'll be able to get back from

1152
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,880
there tomorrow. But if not this
Thursday, then maybe we'll do it next

1153
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:44,880
for next Thursday. The next letter.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

1154
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:48,080
Okay.
Any other business to discuss this

1155
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:53,040
evening?
I I'm sorry. I'm back with Die again

1156
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:58,880
because there's a dangling piece here.
Can I not knowing her timeline, I would

1157
01:25:56,480 --> 01:26:05,760
propose, shall I go ahead and check with
Die and find a few times that she would

1158
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:11,520
be available in the late afternoon to
early evening. I mean, just yell out

1159
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:16,639
your thoughts, find a few dates, maybe
just put them out to folks. I'm happy to

1160
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:22,639
handle it. I I just Does that seem like
a good approach or do folks want to say,

1161
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:27,199
"Oh, how about this in this state?" What
do you think?

1162
01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:31,840
» No, it is. Uh Natalie, I love it if you
would mind wouldn't mind doing that. And

1163
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,840
in particular,
it would be interesting to know what

1164
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:40,080
she's doing on the 19th because if we're
all kind of around anyway and we're

1165
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:43,440
doing the info table, then maybe we do
something in table.

1166
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:47,360
» Yeah.
like right at the end. Oh, that's a

1167
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:50,880
great idea. I just was because I'm
thinking that she would have some

1168
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:54,960
availability, but I don't know and I
know that time passes and then we would

1169
01:26:52,880 --> 01:27:01,040
lose our opportunity. Great.
>> Let me talk with her and I'll work on

1170
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:04,880
» Yeah. celebrate a little later that
afternoon.

1171
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:09,199
» Oh, that sounds like a terrific idea.
Okay, I'll get back to everybody with

1172
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:13,840
what I learn and we'll go with that
option. and maybe

1173
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:17,760
one other possibility if that doesn't
look good for her. Okay, great. Thank

1174
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,920
you.
>> Give me a date to

1175
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:25,920
» to build build a a gift basket. Thank
you for doing that.

1176
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:29,520
» Excellent.
All right, everyone. Well, that that was

1177
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:32,560
good. I'm glad we had I'm really glad
that we had Dylan. It's always great to

1178
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:36,960
have guest speakers. If any of you have
in mind other guest speakers, you know,

1179
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:39,920
definitely let me know because I always
got to charge them.

1180
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:43,520
» Good stuff.
>> Thanks for Dylan. He reminded me that

1181
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:49,679
there's a meeting today.
>> That's right. And told us and told us

1182
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:55,360
that the EN meetings in our backyard.
I think everybody gets those

1183
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:58,960
um emails, but if you don't get those
from them, let me know if you're

1184
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:04,560
interested in that. And I I think I'm
going to go ahead and assuming I can

1185
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:07,280
make it, I'll go ahead and register
because it's literally a block from my

1186
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:11,199
house.
>> When is it? 23rd.

1187
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:15,360
» 23rd. I have I'm very worried that I
have a wedding or something that day.

1188
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,600
The night
>> in town.

1189
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:23,520
» Yeah. I don't know. But anyway, we'll
take a look at it. So, all right.

1190
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:28,320
Hearing no further business. Can I get a
motion to adjurnn?

1191
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:30,800
So moved.
Okay. Second.

1192
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:34,880
» Second.
>> All right. All in favor?

1193
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:38,719
» I.
>> I. All right. Thank you all. Good to see

1194
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:41,199
you.
>> Bye-bye.

1195
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:46,520
» Take care. Bye. Bye.
>> Bye.

1196
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:46,520
» All right.

1197
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:52,360
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