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on June 17th, 2026, and I will call the

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meeting of the Essex Planning Board to

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order.

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We will jump in to the um public hearing

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which is scheduled to resume at 7

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o'clock. Um, this meeting is being

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recorded um by 16:23

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and um it's remotely available on on

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Zoom to members of the public.

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I will take a motion to reopen the

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public hearing that was opened on March

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4th, 2026 and which was continued to

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to June 3rd, 2026 and again to this

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evening, June 17, 2026

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>> on the definitive subdivision plan

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application by Bellpoint LLC. LC for

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property at 0 Essex Park Road and 0 Pawn

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Street rear. Map 147 lot 19 and map 142

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lots 30 and 31 to create a 36 lot open

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space residential sub residential

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development OSRD subdivision under the

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town of Essex rules and regulations

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relative to subdivision control.

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Massachusetts general law chapter 41

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sections 81K to 81 GG. the subdivision

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control law and per a special permit

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issued on September 3rd, 2025 per

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section 6-8 open space residential

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development OSRD of the town of Essex

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zoning bylaw. So take a motion.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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want a second?

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>> No. Simone second.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> Beth moved it and Simone seconded. Thank

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you. Okay. Um the hearing is reopened.

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of the hearing. We're scheduled to close

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it this evening. I know

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it is the eighth night of it. So, we're

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ready. Um to that end the reason that

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the hearing has been continued um was to

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let the process of the peer review

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complete and what has happened since our

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last meeting is that we have um gotten

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some additional um

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I'm sorry we got we got the revised peer

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review along with some additional

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information from the applicant and those

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are via this hearing formally um

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admitted to the process. So we have um

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dated June 12th the final version of the

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peer review from Western and Samson

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Engineers. And we have also received um

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dated June 10th and revised on June 15th

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a an exhibit of the intersections that

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are the question of one of the waivers.

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other than to highlight the areas that

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the focus of the waivers. and then um

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additional information on the storm

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um and a foxhole manhole at the um

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bottom of road A where it intersects

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Essex Park Road. So that's the

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additional information we've received

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from the applicant that has come after

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our last meeting and then also the peer

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review um we received last Friday and

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then got an a final version of it on

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Monday. It's still dated June 12th. We

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Weston and Samson's peer review in case

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anyone needs to review that as just as a

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reference rather than printing all 52

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pages. We just have two reference

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copies. We have the full size set of

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plans here for the planning board. That

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is the final version. Um it's not the

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final final version, but it's the

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version that we're reviewing tonight

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that was revised from the original

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submitt from January.

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um that's dated that that set of plans

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we had before the last meeting, but it's

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been officially submitted to the

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planning board and stamped in by the

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town clerk. So, that's where we are with

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questions or comments on Weston and

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Samson's review, we're also going to

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talk about the procedure tonight is

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these materials um go through any

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that we would want the applicant's input

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in while we're still in the public

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hearing. So if we have questions for

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either Jesse Johnson from Weston and

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Samson who's online or questions for the

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applicant their engineer Will Shuda is

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here also that information would be

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conducted in the hearing and then after

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we close the hearing the planning board

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will deliberate on the documents the

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draft of the decision that's in front of

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us. So during the hearing is our

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opportunity to engage with Weston and

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Samson for any questions on the peer

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review or with the applicant for any

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questions on that. Um, so planning board

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members, do you have questions on for

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either the applicant or our peerreview

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engineer?

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thorough review. I mean, listen and

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Samson went through every single thing.

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questions, this is the opportunity to do

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received and clarified in the public

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hearing while it's still open.

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information from either peer review or

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applicant.

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is closed we'll have our um in-house

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conversation and that's when we can

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comment to each other. Um that's still

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going to be on the 1623 recording as a

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conclusion of this whole process but

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overlay district." What does that mean?

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um a a a condition in the decision that

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district. But in in working through this

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whole process, we've realized that our

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wetland protection overlay district is

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really outdated because the maps that we

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we know those things creep. And also any

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maps are not as thorough as any wetland

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with anyway. So that's that has that was

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can or cannot require and it appears

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it and I just wondered what people's

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feelings were about that. What page of

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the peer review is that on?

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our rules and regulations and talks

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about parks in a subdivision and and I

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think we did touch on this and I can

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because this is an OSRD, there's not

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really an opportunity to have any

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parkland within the residential loted

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area itself because it's so tight

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already. And then the whole point of the

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OSRD is to have the open space. Excuse

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model, but Val Val has something to add

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terms of subdivision control. Um, that's

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from long ago times and isn't something

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thought of. And so um but I agree it's

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not really relevant to this decision

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regarding public access and that

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condition has been included in our

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decision that well we can't we cannot

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ask for public access

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because that's essentially taking a land

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offered by the applicant which it has

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been and that is formalized and I think

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it's one of the very last decisions one

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of the last conditions of our decision

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so that there is indeed um public access

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agreement with the park comment?

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talking about? Sorry, there are a lot of

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Does anyone else not have anyone else

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know notice this comment?

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don't I guess when we were talking about

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perimeter trees

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on the protection of natural features.

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natural features in the development

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zone.

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>> Okay. So, if there are nice trees there

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that could be saved, we're not going to

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won't take them down because if there's

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not going to make extra work. But um

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meeting um with the applicant about

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the fact that because this is such a

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condensed um quarter acre lot

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subdivision that there's really not an

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opportunity to do the grading and the

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work that they need to do while the

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trees are still there.

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>> So that you you're just going to clear

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cut. You're not going to assess any

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trees. That's what it sounds like.

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>> Clear cut.

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Okay. Uh, for the record, Will Scooter

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from the Moren Cameron Group. Um, yeah,

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that's correct. Because this is a dense

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development, um, the grading

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requirements, we're not going to be

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preserving the trees within the limit of

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work.

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>> Okay.

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» Does that microphone not work? Does it

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need batteries?

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There you go.

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You're an engineer. You can figure that

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out.

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>> Maybe.

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» So, does anyone have questions for

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Weston and Samson

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regarding any of the um guidance that

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they've offered in their in their

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feedback?

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» Yeah, you don't have to. I'm just giving

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you the opportunity. I don't think we

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have do we have any um members of other

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departments, boards or committees on the

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line tonight? I'm just

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um we we can come back planning board. I

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just want to see if anyone else from um

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town of Essex

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departments, boards or committees is

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online and has any questions. Not so

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much for the planning board, but these

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are questions for either Weston and

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Samson, our peer reviewer, or for Warren

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Cameron, the applicants engineer.

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And I'm not seeing anyone, but if

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someone is there and does have a

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question, please raise your hand.

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Otherwise, we'll continue on. Um,

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Simone, did you have other questions?

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>> No, I was just going to see if I could

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find the park thing, but we can.

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>> Okay. We can we can come back to that

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when we're doing our deliberation

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because that's more an internal planning

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board decision kind of thing. Um, okay.

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I'm just making sure I check all the

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boxes here from Teresa.

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So, um, at this point then, um,

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we have not had any more public comments

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since our last meeting. And what we're

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going to do now is open the floor to um,

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comments from the public. So, this is

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the final opportunity for the public to

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comment on this process. Um, we have a

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couple people in the room, but more

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people online. So, if you're online and

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want to offer public comment before we

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close the hearing, this is your

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opportunity. Please raise your hand and

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we will unmute you and let you speak.

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Okay. Not all at once.

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All right. I'm not seeing um any public

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comment uh either online or in the room

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here this evening. Public comment. So um

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that said, prior to closing the hearing,

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one of my duties is to read in a list of

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public comment that we have received

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during this hearing process. These

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materials are all available on the

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planning board's web page um where we

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have a whole tab set up for the OSRD.

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And these are the following emails that

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we've received as public comment during

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the definitive subdivision plan period

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which has been from January 22nd, 2026

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through June 17th, 2026

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with messages and re replies to follow.

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January 23rd, we heard from Josh

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Franklin at 11 Turtleback Road. February

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5th, 2026, Emily Commtock, no address.

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Again, March 2nd, Emily Commtock, no

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address. March 4th, Dorothy Ewell from 4

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Essex Park Road. March 20th, Jay and

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Mary Tetsoff and family from 98 Western

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Avenue. March 31st, Paula Johnson, for

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Essex Park Road. April 11th, Bob Smith

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from 29 Pond Street. April 12th, 2026,

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Patrice Murphy of the Essex Manchester

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Essex Conservation Trust. April 14th,

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Ken and Holly Real. June 1st, Peter

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Ferrario, no address given. Additional

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public imput

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emails received before the vote takes

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place will be added to this compilation

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and updated if any are received. But the

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hearing is closing tonight, so that's no

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longer an option.

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Um, that said, I take a motion to close

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the hearing.

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>> So moved. Thank you, Shelley. Second,

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>> second.

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>> Thank you, Peter. Um, all those in

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favor?

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>> I Ariel.

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>> I

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>> Thank you.

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>> Said I

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't hear you. Okay,

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so the hearing is officially closed and

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we will move into our

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next step of reviewing the draft

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decision and deliberating and making any

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changes that the board agrees on to the

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draft. And um at the conclusion of that,

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we will take a vote on the decision.

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Um, I'm sorry. Prior to that, we have um

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we have a process waiver that I just

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this is sort of a formality that I want

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to go through. Amy will help me with

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this when I stumble upon it. Um in our

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subdivision rules and regulations there

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is a um section which is 6.13 of our

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rules and regulations that says

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um if the applicant submits a

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modification to the plan

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uh then the other boards and we have to

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the planning board has to send that

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modified materials to um the other

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boards. and committees that are listed

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in the subdivision control law for their

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review and they get an opportunity to

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review that that is 35 days long and the

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board of health gets a review period

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that's 45 days long. What is problematic

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about the language in our rules and regs

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is that modifi modification of the plan

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is not defined in the industry. A

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modified plan is typically a change to a

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plan that has already been approved. So,

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say tonight we approve the plans and

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then in the process of going through the

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NOI or the septic design or something,

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the plans become modified, they come

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back to us as modified plans and that's

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when that would kick in. Normally, our

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bylaw doesn't describe exactly what's

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called a modified plan. So, there's a

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gray fuzzy area about the fact that, you

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know, we had a submitt from the

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applicant. We went back and forth with

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their peer review. They made some

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updates and some agenda and things like

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that. They haven't changed the roads.

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They haven't changed the loading. They

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haven't changed the location of the

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septic. They eliminated one drainage

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basin, which is hardly that's not like

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adding one, taking one away is simpler.

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So, it's it's unclear whether that would

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technically rise to a modification or

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not since we don't have a definition in

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our rules and ranks of what a

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modification is. What's problematic

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about this is that this process gives a

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90-day

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um 90-day period for us to do the

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review. So, if after all the time of

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going back and forth with the peer

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review and getting changes and updates

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from the applicant, if we needed another

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35 days for the other boards and

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committees to review that, we would be

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out of our time frame and the applicant

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would be granted a constructive

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approval. So, it's just a backwards kind

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of wording in our bylaw that would allow

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that would seemingly make us default to

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a situation where we couldn't meet the

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deadline if we followed those rules to

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the letter of the T. Um, so what this

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process waiver is is just a formality to

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go on record to say that the planning

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board understands this irregularity in

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our rules and regulations which will

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also be updated.

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Um but so you know so the rules and

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regulations that are in place at the

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time this goes the application was

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submitted the ones that we have to work

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with. But when they're unclear like this

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the point of this waiver of of waving

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this section in that 35day review period

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requirement is simply to sort of cross

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that tea and dot dot eye to make sure

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that it's not problematic down the road

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for any reason until we have a chance to

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go revisit our rules and regulations and

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define what modified plans are. So, if

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you guys have questions about that, I'm

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gonna defer to Amy because she's the one

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who explained all that to me. And if I

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screwed it up, she can correct it.

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>> You have a mic there if you need it.

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>> Question.

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>> Does that Do you guys have any questions

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about that? It's It's We're not No one's

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trying to pull a fast one or anything.

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It's just a an abnormality in our in the

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way our um rules and regulations are

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written. So, are you saying we won't

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have time to review them then?

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>> What?

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>> You won't we won't review them then? I

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I'm just

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>> No, they are reviewed, but um you don't

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have to send them out again to the board

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of health and other boards like you do

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after we review them

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>> after. So there's hardly ever um a

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project that comes in with a plan and

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that plan is exactly the same when you

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vote on it.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Especially with peer review.

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>> Well, we got all these conditions.

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>> Yeah. Things like that. They address

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comments, address concerns. So, um this

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section of your bylaw is very

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problematic because it adds a certain

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amount of time that's past the 90 days

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or the 100 day that you know that you

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have to to work with. So, um, it should

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be waved today, but it should be

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changed.

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>> Okay. I've never seen this before

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>> cuz Essex is special.

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» Could you explain again though why it

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should be waved?

520
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>> So, your this provision, it provides

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that when there's any change to a plan

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that it has to go back out. It has to

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essentially start over again. And under

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the subdivision control law, under the

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actual state statute, you don't have

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that ability to start things over again.

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>> The only time that you can add time to

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the statutory time limit is by um

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consent, written consent from the

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applicant.

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>> This seems to um require that extra time

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just just automatically happen. And um

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if you went with this, the applicant

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didn't agree to a written or didn't

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issue a written um extension, the

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applicant after a certain amount of days

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pursuant to the statute can just get a

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constructive approval and then you lose

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all control over the plans.

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>> So the state law overrides this.

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>> So when you look at um

542
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>> and our rules of regulations are in

543
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conflict with state law, which is the

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problematic part. So when you look at,

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you know, you know, you have you have

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statutes, you have bylaws, and then you

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have regulations. So it's pretty far

548
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,880
down considering it's the statute that

549
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,640
it's in conflict with.

550
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520
>> So even though the state overrides it,

551
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,080
we're just doing this formality just to

552
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,320
>> because it's still in your still in your

553
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,549
Okay, great.

554
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,440
And the other thing that's that's our

555
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,919
bylaw isn't even clear that the changes

556
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:33,520
the level of changes that have been made

557
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,120
through the peerreview process would

558
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,919
even really rise to modified plans

559
00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:40,640
because like the example I used is if

560
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,080
they go through the NOI and something

561
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,760
drastically changes about the wetland

562
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,520
crossing and a lot moves and something

563
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,200
like that that's a substantive change

564
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,679
that would be a modified plan. Um but

565
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:51,760
none of the stuff that has happened in

566
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,200
this peerreview process has

567
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,120
substantially altered the plans to a

568
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,159
point that if if modified plans was

569
00:24:58,159 --> 00:24:59,919
defined somewhere we would be able to

570
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:02,320
say whether it was a modification or not

571
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:10,480
which is what we'll be adding to. So, the motion for the process waiver is

572
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
um well I will take a motion to wave

573
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,960
strict compliance with the requirements

574
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,640
of section 6.1.3 of the town of Essex

575
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320
rules and regulations relative to

576
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,799
subdivision control in accordance with

577
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,520
Massachusetts General Laws chapters 41

578
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,480
section 81R and the town of Essex rules

579
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,480
and regulations relative to subdivision

580
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,520
control section 1.3

581
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,360
after finding that is in public interest

582
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,600
and not inconsistent with the intent and

583
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:42,470
purpose of the subdivision control law.

584
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,200
» So moved.

585
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,880
>> Thank you, Beth. Second.

586
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:45,760
>> Second.

587
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,400
>> Thank you, Peter. Questions? Any

588
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,799
discussion or further comment on that?

589
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,640
>> So, we're doing a roll call vote on

590
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:52,960
this.

591
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,789
>> Yep. Yeah.

592
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,600
» So, um go around the table.

593
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,520
>> Peter Lobster. I

594
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,200
>> Beth Walsh. I

595
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,559
>> Simone Early. I Shelley Bradberry. I

596
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,000
>> Ariel Brain. I

597
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,240
>> Lisa O'Donnell. I

598
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,559
>> All right. Thank you. That was our

599
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,159
just to keep things interesting part of

600
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:21,510
the evening.

601
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,480
So then next up before we dive into the

602
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,919
rest of the decision, the um the

603
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:33,039
waiverss that have been requested um by

604
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:38,000
the applicant are um listed on page five

605
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,840
of the PDF document. And and just to as we talk through this to just describe

606
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,320
what is in front of you, this um big set

607
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240
of

608
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,679
paper here is is the word draft of the

609
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:57,279
file and that has all the change changes

610
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,320
tracked since the draft that I emailed

611
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,559
Sunday night. And the only thing that um

612
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,279
Teresa took out of that draft was the

613
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,640
references that I put in there about the

614
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,640
conditions and how they related to my

615
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,640
numbering of the issues in Weston and

616
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,279
Samson's report since that was not

617
00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,120
really part of the document. That was

618
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,440
just to help everyone connect the dots

619
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,400
from what Weston and Samson had

620
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,559
suggested in their peer review as

621
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:31,760
conditions of the decision. and and that was just my exercise in making sure

622
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,279
that all everything that Wesson and

623
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,200
Samson recommended be a condition of the

624
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,440
decision actually make it into. So that

625
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,159
um I believe has been done and they're

626
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,400
still all there.

627
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,880
Um, so this is this version, the Word

628
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,679
version here has um a lot of comments

629
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:53,760
that Teresa did just as far as

630
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,640
formatting goes and making sure all our

631
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,600
references were correct and citing all

632
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,279
the documentation that's part of the

633
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:04,960
process. And then the PDF file that's in

634
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,279
front of you is um

635
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,600
what it would look like if those changes

636
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,000
in the Word draft were accepted. There's

637
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,520
one highlighted thing that we're going

638
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,679
to get to in a little bit that is still

639
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:21,919
a question. Um, but other than that,

640
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,840
most of them have been cleared up. So,

641
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600
for the purposes of talking about the

642
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,520
waiverss, I think it's more instructive

643
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,760
to look at the word draft because that

644
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,960
has um some tracking on changes and

645
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,080
comments that were made in our process.

646
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,640
The PDF draft assumes that the waiverss

647
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,399
are accepted. So, um,

648
00:28:42,399 --> 00:28:44,480
that's obviously

649
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,240
not the case yet since we haven't talked

650
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,600
through them and discussed any changes

651
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,360
were,

652
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,919
um, nuance to any of them. So, right

653
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:55,360
now, what I'd like to do is to walk

654
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,840
through the waiverss and understand each

655
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,440
of them, and if if you guys have

656
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,279
questions or concerns, we'll talk about

657
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,799
those.

658
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,120
Um we have feedback from um both the

659
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,279
applicant and some boards and

660
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:13,039
departments in town as well as um

661
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,159
guidance from Weston and Samson on the

662
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:21,600
those items. So the first waiver which I

663
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,520
we did add numbers to the waivers just

664
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,080
to be able to refer to them more easily.

665
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,760
So, waiver number one is asking to um

666
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
increase the pavement thickness to 4 in

667
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,399
from 3 in.

668
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,880
Um, which

669
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,640
is kind of a no-brainer. Um, and the DPW

670
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000
supports that obviously. So, unless

671
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,760
anyone has questions on that, we'll move

672
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,559
to waiver number two.

673
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,880
to show bearings and distances, radi

674
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,520
arc, central angle and tangent distances

675
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,120
on the loting plan instead of on the

676
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,880
plan and profile sheet. All dimensions

677
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960
are shown on the loting plans. And we

678
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,559
had talked about this in the past. So

679
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,880
there's not um any missing information.

680
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,159
It's just showing some of the

681
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,159
information on a different location. So

682
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:09,120
that seemed reasonable.

683
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,960
And if anyone I'm just going to walk

684
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,320
through these and if and when you have

685
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,120
comment, please chime in.

686
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Section 6-3.3 says to show proposed

687
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,000
sidewalk grades on the site plan instead

688
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,080
of plan and profile sheet. Sidewalks are

689
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,760
linear along the roadway and grading is

690
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,279
shown on the site plan. Again, that's um

691
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,600
just um nuance of how the information is

692
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,600
shown and I don't think we had any

693
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,559
concerns with that.

694
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,320
Then show all the requirements of the

695
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,000
construction plan contents on the

696
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
definitive plan set. information

697
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,520
required on the construction plan is

698
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,039
shown on the definitive subdivision

699
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:44,880
plans.

700
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080
The um the language around granting the

701
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,039
waiver there asks for the um final plans

702
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,559
for endorsement shall include a note

703
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:58,000
that lists items of the construction

704
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,000
plan content that are included on the

705
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,399
definitive plan set. And this is just

706
00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:05,279
taking the list from what is in our um

707
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,279
rules and regulations and adding a note

708
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,679
to say this information required on the

709
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,080
construction plan as follows is shown

710
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,159
here. So that's it's just just because

711
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:18,559
of the way our rules and regulations are

712
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,360
written just to make that clear.

713
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,520
Section 6.4.3 4.3 is show the limit of

714
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,120
the tree line instead of the individual

715
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,120
trees over 12 in diameter at breast

716
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,720
height.

717
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,720
The existing site is wooded and require

718
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,240
clearing within the limit of work for

719
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,760
grading construction of the proposed

720
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,360
subdivision.

721
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080
the um the language around granting this

722
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,279
waiver um says that

723
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,399
we recognize that the um this particular

724
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:48,480
style of development the OSRD has

725
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,159
significant open space that will be

726
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:51,679
provided

727
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,480
and then what we discussed about I'm

728
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880
sorry discussed about talked about in in

729
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,600
the last meeting was um is is

730
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,320
documenting all the trees that are just

731
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,799
beyond the limit of work. So this

732
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,760
language says that prior to clearing any

733
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,279
trees from the site, the limit of work

734
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:13,440
shall be laid out with survey flags or

735
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,960
stakes for the entire area plan to be

736
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,679
developed. And all 12 trees with a 12 in

737
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,840
or greater diameter breast height

738
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,679
located outside of but within 10 ft of

739
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:27,440
the said limit of work shall be marked

740
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,279
in the locations recorded by the

741
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,440
surveyors. and a plan of these tree

742
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,960
locations shall be provided to the

743
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,320
building inspector and planning board

744
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480
before the start of any clearing. So

745
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,240
that's an instrument that will

746
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600
memorialize all of the larger trees just

747
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,519
beyond the limit of work so that we can

748
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:46,000
ensure that they are preserved.

749
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,320
So does that appear to be consistent

750
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,480
with the conversation we had at our last

751
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,840
meeting?

752
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,679
>> Yes, I believe

753
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:57,200
>> I do have a question. Later on we talk

754
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:02,960
about the uh initial site visit or

755
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,240
and that is to also look at the limit of

756
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,399
work etc. Um

757
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,000
are there any conflicts in here with

758
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760
that?

759
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Will this come to us after or before

760
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,830
that meeting?

761
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,110
» Um

762
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,519
I don't know. They're not there's the

763
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,080
limit of work would need to be laid out

764
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,799
um ahead of that sitewalk

765
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,000
because that's part of what we're

766
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,399
walking is the limit of of the work. So

767
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,480
that information should be recorded

768
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,679
whether we have the plans or not. It's a

769
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,200
matter of timing. It's something that

770
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,240
you could require if you wanted

771
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,440
>> that it's after it's been reviewed by

772
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,960
the,

773
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,919
you know, our construction

774
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,760
inspector or whoever.

775
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840
>> Well, I think what you're saying is that

776
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,679
we would have this plan in hand before

777
00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:58,720
the sitewalk.

778
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,519
>> Okay.

779
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:00,880
>> Does that was that what you would like

780
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,640
to add, do you think? I mean, I think

781
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,039
that's

782
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,600
>> Well, either before or after. I mean, I think the sitewalk on some level may

783
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,119
help define what they are, but

784
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,280
>> well, the idea here is that when the

785
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
surveyors lay out, they'll be out there

786
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,480
with all their measuring things and

787
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,839
they'd be the ones who flagging the

788
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:19,839
trees. So, they'll flag the trees. So,

789
00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:21,440
when we do the sidewalk, the trees are

790
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,720
actually going to be taped or marked or

791
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,399
painted or something like that. So,

792
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:26,159
we'll be able to have the plan and see

793
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,599
the trees at that time.

794
00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,359
>> Okay. Yeah. So, before then?

795
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:29,919
>> Yeah.

796
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,240
>> Okay. So, we'll just add here, a plan of

797
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:33,760
these tree locations should be provided

798
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,280
to the building inspector and planning

799
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,919
before before the start of any clearing

800
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,159
and before the sitewalk.

801
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,879
>> Yeah.

802
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:44,000
>> Everyone good with that?

803
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:44,320
>> Yeah.

804
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,480
Will the silt fence be in place by

805
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,040
then?

806
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:47,520
>> I'm sorry.

807
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,839
>> The silt fence demarcating the edge of

808
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,240
work or the mulch sock.

809
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,040
>> Um,

810
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,399
>> just so we know what

811
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,879
>> Yeah, there will Yeah, there is.

812
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:58,000
>> So, it's super clear.

813
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,280
>> It's going to be very clear when we're

814
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,720
out there. I forget what Will said

815
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:02,560
there's, but the the limit of work is

816
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,640
going to be um laid out.

817
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:05,359
>> Okay.

818
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:06,960
>> In survey stakes and it'll be very

819
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
visible on the ground when we do

820
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,040
>> the silk fence around in place for the

821
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,760
site, right?

822
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,440
>> I think he's not the silk fence because

823
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,720
that's the thing that can get but

824
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,160
they'll put the straw waddles or

825
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,640
something.

826
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,839
>> Yeah.

827
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:18,560
>> The what?

828
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,400
>> Straw waddle. So there'll be

829
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,760
>> the mulch. Yeah.

830
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,079
>> Yeah. The straw

831
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,240
>> things.

832
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,680
So um

833
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,200
it shall be provided to the building

834
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,560
inspector and planning forward before

835
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,920
the start of any clearing and before

836
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,920
the scheduled sitewalk

837
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:45,430
referenced in condition

838
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,599
and then I will find the number of that

839
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,520
condition and add that number in. So the

840
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,359
language there is going to be and before

841
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,800
the scheduled reference

842
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,599
before the scheduled sitewalk

843
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:59,839
important word there.

844
00:35:59,839 --> 00:36:01,440
So what I'm adding to the end of that

845
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,520
sentence is or the sentence will read a

846
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,119
plan of these tree locations shall be

847
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,720
provided to the building inspector and

848
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,320
planning board before the start of any

849
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,400
clearing and before the scheduled

850
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,720
sitewalk referenced in condition. And

851
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,320
then I'll find the number of that

852
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:23,670
condition that talks about the sitewalk.

853
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,480
Section 7.1.9

854
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,800
not include street lighting. This will

855
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,320
help maintain the royal character of the

856
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,000
proposed neighborhoods. Lighting will be

857
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,240
provided via individual lots. And I

858
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,839
think we had talked about this and

859
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,920
agreed that no lighting would be

860
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,119
preferable. Actually,

861
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,280
Val wants to say something. Thank you.

862
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,119
Go ahead, Val. Sorry.

863
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:47,359
>> We have a little sign here. you know,

864
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:51,750
little say something.

865
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,079
» Um, yeah, I need a little gong or

866
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,800
something. Can we add something that

867
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,480
says it will be provided via individual

868
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,200
lamp posts on in on the individual lots

869
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,760
>> that that says what? I'm sorry, I didn't

870
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,200
hear you.

871
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,800
Lighting will be provided via individual

872
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,079
lamp posts on the individual lots.

873
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:20,079
>> Oh, okay. Right. Um,

874
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:21,119
>> you have

875
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,200
>> Oh, it it says it says lighting will be

876
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,000
provided via individual lots.

877
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,560
>> She wants to add lamp posts. She wants

878
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,200
to add be provided via lamp post on

879
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,160
individual lots.

880
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,560
>> Okay. So, we're adding via lamp posts on

881
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,480
individual lots. Is that correct? Yeah,

882
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,480
we so that we know

883
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,000
>> there's a lamp post there and it lights

884
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,400
up that it can be pro it'll be providing

885
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,920
some light.

886
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,680
>> Will those

887
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,560
just a thought will those lamp posts all

888
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,320
be the same or it just depends on the

889
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,040
>> It's going to depend on how the buyer

890
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,280
and how they how they construct the

891
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:57,760
lots.

892
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
>> Okay. Yeah. It's it's the kind of thing

893
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,680
if if if one um home builder came in and

894
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,119
developed the whole site and built all

895
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,200
the houses ahead of time instead of

896
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,880
individual people buying lots and

897
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,400
putting up. So, it's going to depend on

898
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,280
that. So, if if a um a home builder came

899
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,680
in and put 36 houses up, chances are

900
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920
they will be the same because it's

901
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,359
easier to order 36 of this light than

902
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:25,520
>> But, um are we specifying where like the

903
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,160
lamp post is? Is it

904
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480
>> I don't it's it's on their lot so I

905
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,800
don't think you know it's out of the the

906
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,160
right of way that would be in our

907
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,000
control. Street lights would be in our

908
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,160
right away but once it's on an

909
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,640
individual lot that's up to them but it

910
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,349
will have this much impervious area.

911
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,119
» Okay.

912
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,880
>> So to that point um if we don't tell

913
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,839
them where these lamp posts can be I can

914
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:55,200
actually see people putting in the

915
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,800
backyard. Right.

916
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,079
>> So you can say within 35 ft of the of

917
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,119
the right of way.

918
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,320
>> That's what I was going to suggest. They

919
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,240
have to be so far within the rightway

920
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:05,280
and they have to be a certain

921
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,160
brightness.

922
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,200
>> Yeah.

923
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,720
>> Uh I'd recommend 35 ft of the rightway,

924
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,119
but I don't recommend specifying the

925
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,560
design in lumens.

926
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,320
>> I don't I don't care about the design.

927
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,079
It's the brightness of the light either.

928
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:19,760
Some people put

929
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,480
>> correct.

930
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,240
>> Right. You know, some could be too

931
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,000
bright and blinding people. Other ones

932
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,480
would be too low and not providing any

933
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,720
light. So if we had some type of range

934
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:30,240
that we might be able to say.

935
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,079
>> Yeah.

936
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:33,599
>> So we have some control. And the other

937
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,119
thing if we can put it that the

938
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:38,880
homeowner association are responsible

939
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,520
for making sure they're maintained.

940
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,079
>> We can add that to the homeowner. We

941
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,839
have conditions in here that require

942
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:48,160
review of the homeowner association. In

943
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,680
fact, we could put all that in the

944
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
homeowner association.

945
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,240
That way I have the homeowners chase,

946
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,760
not each individual.

947
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,760
>> Right. But when we get to the because

948
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,599
there's separate from this whole process

949
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,880
is going to be developing those

950
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,720
homeowner association documents and

951
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,720
getting our approval and Amy's review of

952
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,320
them. And in that process, we can say we

953
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,160
can talk about light brightness and we

954
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,119
can talk about um light color too,

955
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:14,720
>> right? It doesn't have to be specific,

956
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,920
just a range, right?

957
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,880
>> That's what I'd recommend.

958
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,480
>> Right. And I think we probably could

959
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560
also at that point address where on the

960
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,760
lot it goes or should we put it in here?

961
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,440
>> Um

962
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,880
I guess I would try for the homeowners

963
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,400
association because you guys can't

964
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,960
control what goes on in the lot.

965
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,079
>> Okay. So that so any kind of guidance

966
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,760
around what the light looks like is

967
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160
going to be in the homeowner documents.

968
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,720
We'll have input into that but it's not

969
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,240
part of our jurisdiction because now

970
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,640
we're treading on to the lots. I mean,

971
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,040
it feels like having a light post on a

972
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,880
lot is defeating the purpose of not

973
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,599
having street lights.

974
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:57,599
I mean, why do we want to require that?

975
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:00,079
>> I don't know that we're requiring

976
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:01,359
>> Well, we are.

977
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:02,480
>> Yeah, you are.

978
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,440
>> Well, I if I may. And um

979
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,560
>> that's what you're here for. Please

980
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:06,800
don't.

981
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,119
>> I although I do want to tread lightly

982
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,720
because I do think that this is a policy

983
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,160
question, which means that's up to you

984
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,119
guys, not a legal question. Um, from a

985
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:16,800
legal standpoint, the way that the

986
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,079
language was before, lighting will be

987
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,920
provided via individual lots was was

988
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,440
acceptable

989
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,920
because no matter what, there's going to

990
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,119
be lighting, whether it comes from a

991
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,160
light in the window or people put up a

992
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,400
lamp post or people put up landscape

993
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,720
lighting. Um, but that's nothing. We

994
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,400
can't control what happens on the

995
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,599
individual lot. Um, so, um, adding lamp

996
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,920
posts may be okay, but then we're

997
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,839
talking within 35 ft. Then we're talking

998
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,720
about the type of lighting or the

999
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,400
brightness of the lighting. I think

1000
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,400
we're we're getting um further and

1001
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,040
further away from your jurisdiction.

1002
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,720
>> Well, and also feels like if we're

1003
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,240
trying to do rural

1004
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,720
>> one that Yeah. Um, if you're if you're

1005
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,040
trying to preserve the rural character,

1006
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,200
>> if not, then make them do street lights.

1007
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,240
>> Yeah.

1008
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,800
If the if the concern is safety, you

1009
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,640
know, make them do street lights. Um

1010
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,200
>> because those we can control, right?

1011
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,680
>> Yep.

1012
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400
>> Yeah. I there's not been any safety

1013
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,480
concerns raised. And in in all other

1014
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:23,839
developments around town like this,

1015
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:25,680
there are no street lights.

1016
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,520
>> Yeah. It just feels like

1017
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,760
>> But but do are there required other

1018
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,760
lights? I mean, why are we going to

1019
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,680
require them to put any particular

1020
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,000
light?

1021
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,839
You're saying why does our subdivision

1022
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:38,800
rules

1023
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200
>> well the so they're asking for a waiver

1024
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200
not to include street lights. This will

1025
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,880
help maintain the rural character. I

1026
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,640
don't know who wrote that part but um

1027
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,560
but then we're saying but we want lights

1028
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,440
on all our lots. I I just feel like we

1029
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,480
should not require lights. If you're a

1030
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,319
homeowner that wants a light, then you

1031
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:00,480
put one. If you don't want one, then you

1032
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,119
don't. I mean, some people will put them

1033
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,359
on their garage. Some people will, you

1034
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:08,000
know, everyone will have an opinion

1035
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,680
about where the light should be, whether

1036
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,240
it's on a pole or on a

1037
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,400
>> landscape walkway or

1038
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,920
>> So, is this written more as just a

1039
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,000
reference that in the lighting for the

1040
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,200
area will be provided by an individual

1041
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,280
watch just the lights that comes off the

1042
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,520
light? Was that the intention of this

1043
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,359
and we're misinterpreting what that was

1044
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,920
intended to be?

1045
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,839
>> Right. So we can't actually strike

1046
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:35,599
lighting will be provided via individual

1047
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:36,960
lots because that's the language that

1048
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,880
came from the applicant.

1049
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:39,599
>> You can

1050
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:40,720
>> that explains it a little better.

1051
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,720
>> Yeah, you can just delete that language.

1052
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:43,440
>> Oh, we can.

1053
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,560
>> You can.

1054
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,040
>> So do you guys want to leave that

1055
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,119
sentence that the applicant provided

1056
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,599
about lights or do you just want to take

1057
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,520
that sentence that sentence about

1058
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,240
lighting out

1059
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,160
>> or say I I mean I don't want them to

1060
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,000
feel like they can't put lighting. So it

1061
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,319
could be lighting will be provided via

1062
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:03,200
individual lots if desired or you know

1063
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,720
some legal word.

1064
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:05,920
>> I would leave that on. Yeah.

1065
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,280
>> Yeah. Lighting may be lighting.

1066
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,599
>> Yeah. So exactly. Let's just change it

1067
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,480
to May. And do we want to include lamp

1068
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,960
post or not say lamp post so that we

1069
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,400
allow for other

1070
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,359
>> Yeah. Whatever they want

1071
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,200
>> of lighting like landscape lighting.

1072
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,400
Okay.

1073
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,720
>> So we're not saying lamp post. Sorry

1074
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:23,280
Val.

1075
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,839
>> Sorry Val. And we're saying lighting may

1076
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,560
be provided via individual lots. So

1077
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,960
that's what we're we're changing the

1078
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040
language there. And we can change their

1079
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:33,920
waiver language.

1080
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,520
>> Oh yeah.

1081
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,800
>> Apparently we can.

1082
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,880
>> Yes. Yes. The the waiver that they're

1083
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,480
asking for is not include street

1084
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,200
lighting. The rest of it is is is dicta

1085
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,240
on their part.

1086
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,270
>> Okay.

1087
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,720
» So at the end of the day, what 7.1?

1088
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,000
>> Yes.

1089
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,319
So, waiver number six now reads not

1090
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:57,760
include street lighting. This will help

1091
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,359
maintain the rural character of the

1092
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:01,119
proposed neighborhoods. Lighting may be

1093
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:04,640
provided via individual lots.

1094
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:09,599
Moving on, waiver 7 um 7.2.2F

1095
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,839
intersect Essex Park Road at 59 degrees

1096
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,319
instead of 60° minimum. The slight

1097
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,000
modification of the angle allows for a

1098
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,599
straighter road section with less

1099
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,640
wetland alteration than required. So,

1100
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,280
um, we haven't had any objection to

1101
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,119
this. Just to clarify again, the

1102
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,280
intersection with Essex Park Road isn't

1103
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,079
a conventional intersection in the usual

1104
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:32,640
sense. And so, that 60deree is

1105
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,319
considered more for cross streets. And

1106
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:36,560
this what is technically an intersection

1107
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
here is really a bend in the road to go

1108
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,000
um up into Essex Park Road. So, we had

1109
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
um in the past not had an issue with

1110
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,670
this

1111
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,280
section 7.2.2 2 allow for a dead end

1112
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,680
length greater than 1,200 foot length

1113
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,680
and emergency access roadway is

1114
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,119
provided. Um this has already been

1115
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:01,839
granted both in our um preliminary

1116
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:04,640
decision and it is um memorialized in

1117
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,119
the special permit for the OSRD. So this

1118
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,000
um pretty much has to stay as is. And we

1119
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
do have the access road and that access

1120
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,240
road has been reviewed by public safety

1121
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,560
and DPW and they're all on board with

1122
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,200
that.

1123
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,309
Section 7.2.4.8.4

1124
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:26,720
allow a 5% slope within 50 ft of

1125
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,520
intersections where 3% is required.

1126
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Increasing to a 5% allows for a

1127
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,960
reduction in the cut and fill

1128
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,990
requirement.

1129
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,480
The clarification we've added here. This

1130
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,160
waiver is granted for the condition that

1131
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,240
includes road A where it intersects road

1132
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,560
B and for road A where it intersects

1133
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,440
road C and for road A where it joins

1134
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,079
Essex Park Road. So each of these

1135
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,880
locations deserves a little bit more

1136
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,960
investigation and discussion just so

1137
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,200
everyone understands what I have learned

1138
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,359
in the recent couple of days regarding

1139
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:05,680
this. Um Jesse um has provided feedback

1140
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,400
on this and again something that we'll

1141
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,480
probably look at later in our own

1142
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,880
subdivision rules and regulations is

1143
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,920
that limiting um the angle at an

1144
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,440
intersection is typically intended for a

1145
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880
road tying in where you need to stop. So

1146
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
that would mean in this subdivision as

1147
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,560
road A passes both road B and road C

1148
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,079
coming off of it. Um, road A is the road

1149
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,079
in question that is at 5% slope. Road B

1150
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,800
and C where it ties in. Those roads that

1151
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,119
have to stop before they enter road A

1152
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,440
are both at less than 2% slope. So the

1153
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,160
roads that need to stop are at an

1154
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,240
allowable slope. It's the road that goes

1155
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,640
past them that's a five degree slope. Um

1156
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,520
so the intent of that kind of regulation

1157
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,720
um has been met but because our by

1158
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,400
because our rules and regulations don't

1159
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,720
distinguish between the road that goes

1160
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,280
straight and a road that intersects like

1161
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,040
if you had a four-way intersection that

1162
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,240
would be different where everyone

1163
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:11,599
stopped it would be different but here

1164
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,480
road A goes past and road C and B and C

1165
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,240
stop. So the criteria isn't as important

1166
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:20,079
for road A since that traffic is

1167
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,520
continuing and not actually stopping.

1168
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,040
So that's why this should be reasonable

1169
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,359
for those conditions. So the other

1170
00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:32,800
situation is where Essex Park Road at

1171
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,920
that intersection we just talked about

1172
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,280
where Essex where road A joins um Essex

1173
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,359
Park Road. What you have there is um the

1174
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,520
road is coming down the hill at a curve.

1175
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,599
So it goes from a 4% grade at 50 ft

1176
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:52,000
quickly down to 3% and then flattens out

1177
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,760
by the time it gets to the intersection.

1178
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,640
So um technically within that 50 ft

1179
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,240
there is a portion of it that's within

1180
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,960
4%. Jesse has pined in an email earlier

1181
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,359
today that is in the folder of all our

1182
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:08,640
materials that says that 4% grade is not

1183
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,760
really a significant change from 3% if

1184
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,400
you consider over that 50 foot length. A

1185
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,839
3% rise is a foot and a half and a 4%

1186
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:19,440
rise is 2 feet. So we're talking about

1187
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,359
the difference of 6 in over that 50 ft.

1188
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,359
Um, and therefore it seemed reasonable

1189
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:28,079
for a sort of dead-end residential road

1190
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,839
where your speeds wouldn't exceed 25

1191
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:32,000
miles an hour.

1192
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,559
So that was the the logic there. On

1193
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,040
this, I have also spoken to both the

1194
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,280
fire chief and the police chief today

1195
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,280
and went through all of this with the

1196
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,359
drawings and everything and they were both fine with it. Um, and

1197
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,680
again, just as a point of reference, the

1198
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,920
maximum slope that's allowed in our

1199
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,800
rules and regulations is 8%.

1200
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200
So there are parts of road A that are 8%

1201
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,440
but they're not near um

1202
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,160
>> intersections

1203
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,319
>> not near any intersections.

1204
00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:02,400
So um I don't know if anyone has

1205
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,119
thoughts on that.

1206
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,000
It seems reasonable.

1207
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,440
Um

1208
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,960
>> and the purpose of that waiver is just

1209
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,319
to reduce the cut and fill. It's to

1210
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:16,559
reduce cut and fill, but also if you

1211
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:21,680
look at the profile of road A, what the profile achieves is there's sort of

1212
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,000
a leveling out over the wetlands

1213
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,800
crossing. So what what that does is

1214
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,160
manage like if we if we flattened out

1215
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,559
the 8% and raised the 3% that actually

1216
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,520
widens the area of wetlands that's

1217
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,359
affected by the crossing. So it's also

1218
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:39,200
intended to sort of minimize the impact

1219
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,559
to the wetlands at the crossing

1220
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:45,599
which is theoretically a desirable goal

1221
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,839
of working around wet lines wetlands not

1222
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:55,270
to impact them.

1223
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,960
Are we set with that or any other

1224
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,309
questions?

1225
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:03,440
Section 7.2.4 Four, use of highdensity

1226
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,079
polyethylene HDPE drainage pipe instead

1227
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:09,359
of using a reinforced concrete pipe RCP.

1228
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,440
HDP is an industry standard pipe

1229
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,760
material used for drainage pipes. We did

1230
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,160
get feedback from both the department of

1231
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,000
public works and the board of public

1232
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,520
works who discussed this at their last

1233
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,520
meeting and they are entirely fine with

1234
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,119
it and um in fact our storm water

1235
00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:28,480
management regulations uh specify HDP

1236
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:34,870
for handling storm water.

1237
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,079
And then last but not least, allow tree

1238
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,880
locations as shown instead of tree

1239
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,160
spacing at approximately 75 ft. The OSRD

1240
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,240
does not allow for typical spacing of 75

1241
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:47,920
ft. Instead, the proposed development

1242
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,920
calculate the total frontage and

1243
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,680
proposes a total amount of trees equal

1244
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,480
to one tree per 75 linear feet of

1245
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,359
frontage. So the intent here was to

1246
00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:59,200
provide the same number of trees if they

1247
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,760
met the requirement exactly, but I know

1248
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,440
we did have some discussion about this.

1249
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,760
So um I don't know if we want to talk

1250
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,990
about that again.

1251
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:10,880
» Excuse me.

1252
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,359
>> I think this is a better design feature.

1253
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:16,000
The yards are small and there's open

1254
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,640
gaps where there can be groups of trees

1255
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,280
where they grow better instead of formal

1256
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:21,920
spacing.

1257
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:22,880
>> Yeah. Just every

1258
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,359
>> Yeah.

1259
00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:29,440
Um, Madam Chair, is the plan defined

1260
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,839
earlier in the decision?

1261
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:33,920
Um,

1262
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,680
if it's not, I think I think it should

1263
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,880
say allow tree location as shown on the

1264
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,960
plan instead of just as shown.

1265
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,800
>> Okay. So, we're adding as shown

1266
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,520
>> on the plan.

1267
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,240
>> It's plans.

1268
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:48,630
>> Yeah.

1269
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,280
» Yes. The plan is it is capitalized. So

1270
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,920
capital the the and then capital P plan.

1271
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,880
>> Okay.

1272
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:06,150
>> So we'll add that in.

1273
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,240
Any other discussion on those trees?

1274
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,920
We are getting the same number of trees

1275
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:20,069
as we would otherwise.

1276
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,880
I, you know, I live in the tree hugger

1277
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:27,349
house, so I'm

1278
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:32,400
I feel like the um the requirement is

1279
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,599
not a minimum. It's a I mean, it's not a

1280
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,880
maximum. It's a minimum. And if we could

1281
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,559
include

1282
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,839
um trees to meet the requirement that we

1283
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:46,240
would then have more trees.

1284
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,680
Uh but I I hear what Beth is saying

1285
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,079
about the

1286
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,160
uh layout

1287
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,680
>> more of an irregular

1288
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,400
>> better so you know.

1289
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,160
>> Okay.

1290
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,079
>> All right. So we are through the

1291
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,400
waiverss.

1292
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,710
>> Imagine that.

1293
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,480
And look, we have here

1294
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,240
>> and I know one just I know Matt um had

1295
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,680
raised questions about the road, but he

1296
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,280
read everything and um

1297
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,280
>> Right. And and that that's what prompted

1298
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,920
a lot of the conversation about the

1299
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,319
intersection and and that is also a

1300
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:27,920
revision in the drainage because he was

1301
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,640
worried about water coming down to that

1302
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,480
intersection. So they've regraded the

1303
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,240
road and there's the foxhole drainage

1304
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,480
manhole. So that I think is because Matt

1305
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,960
did talk to both Jesse and Will or Matt

1306
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,559
talked to Jesse and Jesse talked to Will

1307
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,960
about this and they made some changes

1308
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
>> to account for Matt's concerns.

1309
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,960
>> Yeah. And I read those emails. I just

1310
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,359
wanted to make sure Matt.

1311
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:49,839
>> Yeah.

1312
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:52,800
>> Okay.

1313
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,319
>> And his daughter graduated from fifth

1314
00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:57,200
grade tonight, which is pretty amazing.

1315
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,520
>> Mine did too.

1316
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,390
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

1317
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,319
Well, the ceremony's over, so they're

1318
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:11,910
all at Woodman's now.

1319
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,640
» All right. So, we have been through the

1320
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,319
waiverss.

1321
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:18,800
I will take a motion to grant a waiver

1322
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,000
of strict compliance with the

1323
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,520
requirements of the section of town of

1324
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,440
Essex rules and regulations relative to

1325
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680
subdivision control in accordance with

1326
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,640
Massachusetts general laws chapter 41

1327
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,960
section 81R and town of Essex rules and

1328
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,640
regulations relative to subdivision

1329
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,760
control 1.3 and after finding that is in

1330
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,599
the public interest and not inconsistent

1331
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:38,960
with the intent and purpose of the

1332
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,280
subdivision control law as written in

1333
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,880
the definitive subdivision plan

1334
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,750
decision. Take a motion.

1335
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,400
» So moved.

1336
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,760
>> Thank you, Beth. Second.

1337
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,400
>> Second.

1338
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,640
>> Thank you, Shelley. This is a roll call

1339
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,520
vote.

1340
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,280
>> Ser.

1341
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,520
>> Beth Walsh. I.

1342
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,280
>> Simone Early. I.

1343
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,799
>> Shelley Bradbury. I

1344
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:07,040
>> Ariel Brain Day.

1345
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:12,069
>> Lisa O'Donnell. I

1346
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:19,030
the motion passes 52 one.

1347
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,079
All right. So now we move into

1348
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:35,910
Sorry, I have too much paper here.

1349
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,799
Now we move into a review of the

1350
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:42,960
decision itself. So the waiverss were

1351
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,440
listed on I'm I'm again going to the big

1352
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,710
version here. Um

1353
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:54,480
and then on page five here the um

1354
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,270
conditions start.

1355
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,880
So um

1356
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,799
I don't know how much detail you guys

1357
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:09,119
want to go through these. I'm willing to

1358
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:12,240
talk through anything

1359
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,559
um that you have questions on. What I

1360
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,280
will do is just sort of um bounce

1361
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,960
through them and if we get to something

1362
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:23,280
that you want to talk about um

1363
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,559
we will stop and do that.

1364
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:30,319
So uh the first condition just

1365
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:33,280
references a special permit which is

1366
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,799
sort of a formality.

1367
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:37,040
>> Can we start before that line?

1368
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:37,680
>> I'm sorry.

1369
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,319
>> Can we start before that line? So, where

1370
00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:41,839
it says the planning board approves the

1371
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:43,599
definitive plan dated blah blah blah

1372
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,680
subject to the following conditions. Um,

1373
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,079
who's going to verify the conditions are

1374
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,720
met?

1375
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,880
Bill, can we say as verified or in some

1376
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,079
language that says the building

1377
00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:05,030
inspector will verify it?

1378
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,720
» I mean, right now it's has no

1379
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
person signed

1380
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,520
>> doesn't it?

1381
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,319
>> Madame Chair,

1382
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,440
>> the um you're going to have both the

1383
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,359
building inspector who enforces the

1384
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:24,960
zoning and your you're going to have

1385
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,799
like a clerk or the works person that's

1386
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:28,240
inspecting on behalf of the planning

1387
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,559
board. So, it's not just Bill because

1388
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:33,440
he's doing the zoning. um it's going to

1389
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,640
be the unit personal inspector whoever

1390
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,960
that might be

1391
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:40,799
>> but I don't think it's necessary to

1392
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:44,480
specify it in the decision

1393
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,799
but if so in all decisions right there I

1394
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:51,040
feel there should be one person who is

1395
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,720
the control that says okay verified you

1396
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,760
know if it's the building and the clerk

1397
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,040
of the works if it's bill and it's DPW I

1398
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,839
mean who's who's in charge.

1399
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:05,440
>> It's going to vary depending on the

1400
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,599
condition. So, I I don't think you can

1401
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,559
have one individual person that's

1402
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,280
responsible. You could say that um

1403
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,480
you're going to have the, you know, uh

1404
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,880
you yourselves are going to verify some

1405
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,920
of it. So, but then we're going to have each one have who's associated

1406
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,000
with the verification. I feel I mean

1407
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,920
otherwise

1408
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,079
>> there's like there are several on here

1409
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:32,480
that I'm like who is checking this? Is

1410
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,920
it us? Is it Bill?

1411
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,920
>> That's not a normal part of a of a

1412
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,640
decision. And so I I uh respectfully

1413
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,270
disagree.

1414
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,040
» I know I'm going to be sorry for saying

1415
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,799
this,

1416
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:50,240
but the ultimate decision comes with me.

1417
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,880
So you hire a clerk of works who's going

1418
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,880
to go out and monitor this. he has a

1419
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,720
question whether something needs

1420
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,640
answering, it's going to come back to me

1421
00:59:58,640 --> 00:59:59,920
to make that decision.

1422
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:01,280
>> I mean that's I agree with

1423
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,280
>> the reality is there a lot of people who

1424
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,400
are going to be through this and they're

1425
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,400
just going to do their job and assure

1426
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,160
that everything's correct.

1427
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,040
>> Right.

1428
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,359
>> Which is different than being the person

1429
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:15,280
who is responsible to say yes it was

1430
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,240
done no matter who checked it. Right.

1431
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,640
>> Right. So ultimately that would be me

1432
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,960
because that falls onto my job

1433
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,400
>> to assure that everything was done

1434
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,040
correctly.

1435
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,319
>> And you're saying that's just

1436
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:28,799
understood?

1437
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:30,000
>> Yeah, I think it's understood and I

1438
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,319
think

1439
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:32,079
>> understood. Yeah. Okay. So we're going

1440
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,000
to look to you to say yes, it was all

1441
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:34,640
verified.

1442
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,119
>> Yes.

1443
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:43,270
>> Okay. Um

1444
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,520
and then

1445
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,760
I also feel that the conditions should

1446
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:53,599
be submitted with any request

1447
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,799
uh regarding the subdivision. So that

1448
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:00,079
say there is a zoning request that the

1449
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,160
list of conditions is part of every

1450
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,599
request that comes out of the

1451
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,359
subdivision.

1452
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,280
Uh I don't know where we put something

1453
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,880
like that in so that there isn't this

1454
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,710
backend

1455
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,160
where is it who had it you know there's

1456
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,880
going to be let's say in 15 years

1457
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,839
they're making changes you're not here

1458
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:28,549
you don't know you know whoever is

1459
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:32,079
» so this will be recorded and you know it

1460
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,240
will be in the chain of title of each

1461
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,559
lot that's sold out. Um

1462
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,240
>> so whenever they're submitting something

1463
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,160
to zoning, it'll go with it.

1464
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,440
>> Oh, definitely. Okay.

1465
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,680
>> Yep.

1466
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,040
>> Particularly because it's an Oh, I'm

1467
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:45,839
sorry.

1468
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,440
>> You're talking about this decision gets

1469
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:48,640
recorded, right?

1470
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,559
>> Particularly because it's an OSRD which

1471
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,599
allows for reduced lots, you know,

1472
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,400
allows for some zoning um relaxation of

1473
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,440
zoning.

1474
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:01,520
>> So, it would definitely be um

1475
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:11,349
>> later. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Thanks.

1476
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:15,440
So the second condition talks about the

1477
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,280
water resource protection overlay

1478
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,960
district and the first two conditions

1479
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,240
define um and mo most of the language

1480
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,160
here is is explaining and um

1481
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,280
memorializing what is and is not allowed

1482
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,680
for each lot. So that there's a table on

1483
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:38,799
um sheet 27 that has um an imperous

1484
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:41,200
cover percentage of 10 that meets the

1485
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,200
10% of the whole lot and that's the

1486
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,799
basis of the storm water management

1487
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:46,640
system. So the language in here says

1488
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,920
that you are allowed uh a property owner

1489
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,799
is allowed up to it's not 10% of his lot

1490
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:54,480
because it's a number that relates to

1491
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,839
the 10% coverage of the total lot is

1492
01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:59,760
allowed by right that number because

1493
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,440
that's what the storm water management

1494
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,319
system has been designed for. There's

1495
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:08,720
also a 15% maximum cap um that is given

1496
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,200
in the wetland

1497
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,960
water resource protection overlay

1498
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,480
district. And if anyone were ever to

1499
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,799
exceed that 15% cap, that's a special

1500
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:21,440
permit that comes before this board. So

1501
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,720
the other set of numbers is a 15% cap.

1502
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,319
And both of these numbers will be

1503
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,319
recorded on the deed of each property.

1504
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,960
It's recorded in these drawings and it's

1505
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,920
recorded on the um it's recorded in this

1506
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,640
decision and recorded on the drawings um

1507
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,720
on sheet 27.

1508
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,400
Uh, and it's the language in here spells

1509
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,039
out that if someone um

1510
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,000
exceeds the 10%, so there's somewhere

1511
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,039
between 10 and 15% of the lot coverage,

1512
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,960
they need to provide additional storm

1513
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,200
water mitigation because that additional

1514
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,280
coverage is not supported by the storm

1515
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,520
water mitigation

1516
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,160
uh design of the subdivision.

1517
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,640
And that that language will carry with

1518
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,839
the deeds as well. and each there's a

1519
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:13,039
condition that requires each plot plan

1520
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:16,559
each site plan to have those two areas

1521
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:19,359
listed on the site plan. Then that that

1522
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:20,880
comes in with any kind of a building

1523
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,680
permit. There's also a condition in

1524
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,200
here. The last one says the homeowner

1525
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,960
document shall include requirements that

1526
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,680
any new impervious surface not subject

1527
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,839
to a building permit which would be a

1528
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:36,720
shed, patio, acc grade, deck or walkway

1529
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:38,160
which are things that don't trigger

1530
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,440
building permit but are impervious is

1531
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,400
subject to prior approval by the HOA. So

1532
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:45,839
for those things that aren't controlled

1533
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:47,359
by a building permit, we still have a

1534
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:49,440
condition in here that would require the

1535
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,760
HOA to approve that and submit that to

1536
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,200
the building department that they have

1537
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:58,000
not exceeded their 10% of coverage. And

1538
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,760
then if they do exceed the 10% of

1539
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,680
coverage, they're um coming back with

1540
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,119
additional storm water mitigation

1541
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:06,240
measures on their property.

1542
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,440
>> I just have one question that I just

1543
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,960
need clarifying because I don't

1544
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,000
understand it. Um

1545
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,799
the facility is built for 10%.

1546
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:18,640
>> Correct. Yep.

1547
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,079
>> Any extra of an individual lot they have

1548
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:23,920
to mitigate.

1549
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,520
This is the point where I don't

1550
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,520
understand in the mitigation of that

1551
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,920
particular lot storm water where or

1552
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,680
runoff won't it just all

1553
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,839
go towards

1554
01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:38,240
it's it's how fast it runs off because

1555
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,000
yes all the storm water someday is going

1556
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,480
to flow down the hill but what

1557
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,799
impervious surfaces do is increase how

1558
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:48,720
fast it sheds. So, if you add a patio

1559
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,559
that's going to shed the rain faster,

1560
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:51,920
then you may need to go add a rain

1561
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,280
garden at the edge of your property

1562
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,280
that's going to capture that before it

1563
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,440
gets to the storm water management

1564
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,599
system of the whole subdivision.

1565
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,000
>> Right. But where does that rainwater

1566
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,680
then water go?

1567
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,039
>> It still goes into the ground because it

1568
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:05,920
would do that

1569
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,559
>> property. But it all the rain water is

1570
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,319
going to all go into the ground. Sure.

1571
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:12,079
>> Everywhere anyway, but it's just the

1572
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:13,440
rate at which it flows.

1573
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,440
>> Okay. Okay. And so those those rain

1574
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:16,880
gardens that we see from time to time

1575
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,079
when we're doing properties in the

1576
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:21,760
wetland protection, it's just a it's a big sponge that's going to sit

1577
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,280
there and hold things so that they seep

1578
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:29,039
out at a slower rate that's more. So if you picture the an undeveloped parcel

1579
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,880
and it rains on it, there's a rate that

1580
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,880
the storm water soaks into the ground

1581
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,319
and they're just basically trying to

1582
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:37,119
mimic that by an area that sheds storm

1583
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:39,599
water. Somehow it's captured so that it

1584
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,359
is diffused into the ground at the same

1585
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:42,880
rate and you're not getting runoff or

1586
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,480
erosion, that kind of thing.

1587
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,000
>> Understood. Thank you.

1588
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,079
>> Did that make sense, Bill?

1589
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:51,119
>> Yes.

1590
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:52,319
>> Was very well experience,

1591
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:53,440
>> right?

1592
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,559
>> I think it was a very good job

1593
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:56,480
explaining it.

1594
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,160
>> So that's that's what someone would have

1595
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,359
to do on their property. You know, we

1596
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:01,680
we've seen we we did that house down on

1597
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,599
um Redgate Road or something. I forget

1598
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:04,960
where where they had to put in that

1599
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,640
little storm water swale around because

1600
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,160
they were adding a garage or something.

1601
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,200
So, they just basically had to slow the

1602
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,720
water down that came off of the garage

1603
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:13,680
before it could leave the

1604
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,440
>> Yeah, I understand all that. It was just

1605
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,799
like 36 houses and everyone's adjusting

1606
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:20,640
and everything's going down. I just

1607
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,359
didn't understand

1608
01:07:21,359 --> 01:07:22,960
>> that. That's what the whole storm water

1609
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,960
system is is for and that's why we have

1610
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,960
all these drainage basins and all that

1611
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,920
stuff on the property just to retain it.

1612
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,440
It's a retention basin that actually

1613
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,599
holds it long enough to allow it to seep

1614
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,520
at a natural rate instead of a runoff

1615
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:36,160
rate.

1616
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,880
>> Okay. Thank you.

1617
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,039
>> So, does anyone have questions on any of

1618
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,760
the pieces parts in section two?

1619
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:50,230
Condition two.

1620
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,720
So condition three is the one that we

1621
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,720
touched on earlier

1622
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,480
that basically says um don't mess up the

1623
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,319
wetlands protection overlay district as

1624
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:02,799
long as that lives. So typically work in

1625
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:04,079
or near wetlands is governed by the

1626
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:06,960
wetland protection act. So

1627
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,240
um it should be noted that any

1628
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,240
activities restricted by this overlay

1629
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,000
district or future encroachments into

1630
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,000
areas denoted on the reference map shall

1631
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,839
be prohibited. So that's really just

1632
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:19,199
sort of um

1633
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,480
addressing the fact that there are

1634
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:25,440
basic what what shows up on the 1974

1635
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,600
maps is the area of Alwife Brook that's

1636
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,600
on the sort of southwest corner of the

1637
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,120
property that's in the open space

1638
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,839
anyway. So this is just in case

1639
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:35,199
nothing's going to happen there anyway

1640
01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,470
but this is just in case.

1641
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,640
Then there's several conditions in item

1642
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,359
four which include things that are going

1643
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,759
to be updated on the set of drawings. So

1644
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:49,199
we have a set of drawings right now

1645
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,960
that's been submitted. It is the record

1646
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,400
drawings. The process from here out

1647
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:58,719
assuming that we um vote in favor of

1648
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:01,120
this decision which puts the

1649
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,120
restrictions on the the next steps of

1650
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,880
the development. um they come back with

1651
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,239
a set of myars that we look like with

1652
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,319
it's like what we usually use for the

1653
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,799
ANRS and that that's the record set

1654
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,560
that's the endorsed set that's the sign

1655
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,880
set we'll sign

1656
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,799
so between now and when they come back

1657
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:22,480
with the they won't be back with the

1658
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,400
endorsed plans until the appeal period

1659
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,120
has expired and or if there are any

1660
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,199
appeals until those are resolved and

1661
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,880
then when the either the appeal period

1662
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,440
has expired or any appeals have been

1663
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,600
resolved D, they will come back to us

1664
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,080
with a set of plans to be endorsed. And

1665
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,239
at that point, we check these additional

1666
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:42,000
conditions which are listed here to make

1667
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,520
sure that those are being incorporated

1668
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:48,070
into the plans you're going to endorse.

1669
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,159
And so some of these are just these

1670
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:51,759
actually came mostly out of the Weston

1671
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:53,920
and Samson review for some details that

1672
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,320
need to be filled in.

1673
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,080
And the question we had here, and this

1674
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,320
is for Val and or Amy, this talks about

1675
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,840
the planning board covenant, and the

1676
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,360
covenant should be recorded with the

1677
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,679
plans. So, I'm just looking for someone

1678
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:08,159
to explain other than me what the

1679
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,960
covenant is and how that gets recorded

1680
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,880
with the plans.

1681
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,840
>> Where are you reading this

1682
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,000
>> now? Sure. Um, under subdivision control

1683
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,239
law, there's a thing called a planning

1684
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,400
board covenant, which is where the

1685
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,719
future developer promises not to sell

1686
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:28,560
individual lots unless and until they

1687
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:34,080
have built enough of the roadway that you're allowing them to release the

1688
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,840
lots from the the um covenant. So,

1689
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,760
they're um the covenant is is a standard

1690
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,640
sub subdivision control.

1691
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,800
um paper or agreement that's part of

1692
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,199
subdivision rules and regulations and

1693
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:55,280
this um guidance. It's the same for

1694
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,080
every town and you normally would enter

1695
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,920
into that covenant prior to endorsing

1696
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:03,120
the plans and you would do that here and

1697
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,040
then have that be recorded with the

1698
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,840
plans. And the reason why is that if it

1699
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,360
isn't noted on the loting sheet, um it's

1700
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,679
easier for someone to try to sell an

1701
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,400
individual lot to a buyer who would then

1702
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,199
not be protected in terms of having um

1703
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:21,280
adequate ways and facilities constructed

1704
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,159
to support the home.

1705
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,960
>> Okay. So that's something that we'll be

1706
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,840
working on between now and when the

1707
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,600
endorsed plans surface that we would

1708
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,280
prepare with you and Amy and get that

1709
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:36,239
squared away.

1710
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:36,800
>> Okay.

1711
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,719
>> Yeah. It's like a a simple two or three

1712
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:42,640
page document that um is standard and uh

1713
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,120
we would provide that to the applicant

1714
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,960
to uh sign before they come in and then

1715
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,520
um before they came in for endorsement

1716
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,159
and then at the same night you would

1717
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,600
vote to um enter into the covenant and

1718
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,159
then you would vote to um endorse the

1719
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,080
plants.

1720
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,320
>> Okay. Do you guys have any questions on

1721
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,800
that?

1722
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:07,920
What number are you on?

1723
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,360
>> You have anything to add?

1724
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:09,760
>> Okay.

1725
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,600
It is 4 A. All right.

1726
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,120
>> I'm sorry.

1727
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,280
>> Who writes that? Does Amy write that or

1728
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,400
does the

1729
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,480
>> It's standard language, so we're just

1730
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,880
going to adapt it. We your town planner

1731
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,760
will do it and we can vet it with Amy.

1732
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,310
>> Okay. Thank you.

1733
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,560
» Um planning lists will be updated to

1734
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,040
exclude invasives.

1735
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,440
Um,

1736
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,120
>> of course I have comments on that.

1737
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:39,920
>> I'm sorry.

1738
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,760
>> I have a comment on that. I was supposed

1739
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,000
to email you some other language, but I

1740
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:50,080
did not. Um, I don't I don't think that is quite accurate. I think it

1741
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,040
should say street trees because there's

1742
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:55,440
no other planting identified on this

1743
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:59,920
plan shall be modified to exclude

1744
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,199
species listed as invasive or likely

1745
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,560
invasive as determined by

1746
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,440
MIP a which is meag which is the

1747
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:11,760
Massachusetts Invasive Plant Advisory

1748
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,719
Group. Um,

1749
01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:18,640
I would like to add that they should be

1750
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,679
native to the northeast, but that gets

1751
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:24,159
into sort of our discussion on lamposts.

1752
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,600
And I don't know what travels over to

1753
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,320
allowable recommendations versus design

1754
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,640
choices.

1755
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,719
So, whatever you're requiring here is

1756
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:36,640
going to be within the infrastructure.

1757
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,000
So, for example, it would be um anything

1758
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
in the right of way of the street. It

1759
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,000
would be anything in the um in the

1760
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,320
drainage facilities, anything like that.

1761
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,239
I don't see any problem with your with

1762
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:50,239
your proposed condition.

1763
01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:50,880
>> Great.

1764
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,199
>> But I didn't get it. So I maybe you can

1765
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:54,080
write it down.

1766
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,080
>> Yeah, I I actually emailed you and

1767
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,520
Teresa something, but I've already

1768
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,880
revised it because I didn't include

1769
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,520
MEPAG, but I think they're the legal

1770
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:03,520
source for invasive plants in

1771
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:04,640
Massachusetts. So,

1772
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,159
>> but Beth, would you don't you think

1773
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:09,600
plantings would be more a broader

1774
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,520
not just the trees because we're talking

1775
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,400
about areas where the you know any

1776
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,000
essentially infrastructure area. So,

1777
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:16,960
there could be

1778
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,320
>> tension ponds.

1779
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,960
>> I guess it could say we could keep

1780
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,120
landscape planting, but none of that is

1781
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,920
shown on this on our plan that we're

1782
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,320
approving now. So, I'm not clear on what

1783
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:29,760
>> I I would keep it broad. I would say

1784
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,440
landscape planting and I would say

1785
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,440
landscape planting and street trees.

1786
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:34,560
>> Exactly. Yep.

1787
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,239
>> And if there is no landscape planning,

1788
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:36,800
so what?

1789
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,760
>> Right.

1790
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,679
>> Okay.

1791
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,400
>> Um, so will you

1792
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:43,679
>> I'm sending it right now.

1793
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:45,600
>> Will that carry over to landscape

1794
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,679
planting that's done on the property?

1795
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:48,480
>> No.

1796
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:49,760
We can't control

1797
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,280
>> street zone,

1798
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,880
>> but I thought we talked about the

1799
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,600
retention ponds having plantings sort of

1800
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,880
around it that

1801
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:00,000
>> you can monitor those.

1802
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:00,480
>> That would be

1803
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,480
>> great because those

1804
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:03,679
are in easements. Yeah,

1805
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:05,199
>> that's that's infrastructure.

1806
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:06,800
>> So, we're not putting fragmitees out in

1807
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,199
the

1808
01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:09,199
>> No. So, I I think we should include the

1809
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:10,480
retention ponds like

1810
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:11,280
>> Right.

1811
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:12,560
>> And that would fall under landscape

1812
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:13,280
plantings.

1813
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,239
>> Okay. Okay.

1814
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,280
>> Yeah. That's why I want to keep

1815
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:15,920
landscape.

1816
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,679
>> When do we review those?

1817
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:18,320
>> I'm sorry.

1818
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,679
>> When do they when do we see those or

1819
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:23,199
review those

1820
01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:24,640
>> the plans?

1821
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,040
>> Prior to endorsement.

1822
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,080
>> What's that?

1823
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:28,880
>> Prior to endorsement.

1824
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:43,030
of the plans. Yeah.

1825
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,960
So, will you just read that out loud for

1826
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:46,640
us again, please? I'm not going to try

1827
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,679
and write it down because you're going

1828
01:15:47,679 --> 01:15:49,760
to send it, but when we vote on this, we

1829
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,159
have to

1830
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,159
>> landscape reference. Land, it should say

1831
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:55,679
landscape plantings shall be modified to

1832
01:15:55,679 --> 01:15:56,719
exclude planting.

1833
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:58,239
>> Oh, Beth, I'm so sorry.

1834
01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:00,159
>> It should landscape plantings and street

1835
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:01,199
trees. Yeah.

1836
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:03,520
>> Landscape plantings and street trees

1837
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,640
shall be modified to exclude plants

1838
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,920
listed as invasive or likely invasive as

1839
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:14,159
identified by MIP. I call it my PAG, but

1840
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,960
I don't know. Anyway, and should be

1841
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:24,950
native to the Northeast United States

1842
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,280
» and you are emailing that

1843
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,719
>> right this minute.

1844
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,159
>> Okay.

1845
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:31,600
Does that sound reasonable?

1846
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,000
>> Yes.

1847
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:33,040
>> Okay.

1848
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:34,400
>> Board members.

1849
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,470
>> Yep.

1850
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,719
» Um, drainage easements shall be updated

1851
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:42,480
and accurately shown on the loting

1852
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:45,520
plans. That's just a final detail that

1853
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,040
the applicant needs to take care of,

1854
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,840
which they're aware of. Um, rip wrap

1855
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,960
shall be added to FES8 was a comment

1856
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,199
from the peer reviewer.

1857
01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,760
>> What's FES8

1858
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:02,390
>> plan?

1859
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:03,840
Is it is it a page number?

1860
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:04,800
>> Yeah, it's a page.

1861
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:05,600
>> No, it's

1862
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,000
>> I mean it's not a on the title block.

1863
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:08,239
So,

1864
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:09,199
>> wouldn't it be

1865
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:11,040
>> Isn't it a plan?

1866
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,239
>> Because they want it shown on Oh, added

1867
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:16,560
is that might be

1868
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,040
>> Can we just add Can we just add the page

1869
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,159
number to go with it?

1870
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:24,790
>> Fing.

1871
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960
» Yeah, this was a comment eight. This was

1872
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,440
a comment from the peer reviewer that

1873
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:32,000
frankly I just translated because it was

1874
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:37,750
just an omission on the plans. So um

1875
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,040
» be down at the end if it's anywhere.

1876
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,800
>> Do you know where FE8 is?

1877
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:47,910
>> It's

1878
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,760
what plan are we looking at? We really

1879
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,229
can't on two.

1880
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:57,600
» If the applicant knows where this is, a comment that came from the

1881
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,840
peer review and I just copied it down

1882
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,880
because it's one thing that

1883
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,320
>> Yeah. No, I get it. I just think we

1884
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,360
should, you know, know where it is so

1885
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,120
that

1886
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,719
>> whoever helps reviewing it can

1887
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,239
>> What? Jesse's here. Jesse's going to

1888
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:14,560
weigh in for us. Thank you, Jesse.

1889
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,480
>> Sure. For the record, Jesse Johnson,

1890
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,239
Weston, and Samson. So I believe that's

1891
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:25,120
pond 2P that is shown on sheet 30 of 58.

1892
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,760
It's an outlet the drainage outlet that

1893
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,159
discharges into that pond that just did

1894
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:33,600
not show rip wrap like all the other

1895
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,400
FPS's or outlet pipes did show it. That

1896
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,880
was just one that um was missed. We're

1897
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,280
suggesting it comment is fine. I just

1898
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,320
want to locate it. That's all

1899
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:49,910
comment.

1900
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:59,350
Thank you, Jesse.

1901
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,679
» Is it this right here?

1902
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:03,520
>> Is that panto?

1903
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:04,880
>> F2.

1904
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,950
>> F8.

1905
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,800
I think that we can leave the comment as

1906
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,239
it is and Bill can work with um Jesse or

1907
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,400
the applicant afterwards to confirm

1908
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:18,239
exactly where he needs to check.

1909
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,080
>> Yeah. I mean, even if we just put on

1910
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:21,360
sheet

1911
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:22,560
>> 30 and 58.

1912
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,040
>> Yeah,

1913
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,480
>> that's what I have. F8.

1914
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,110
>> Yeah.

1915
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,960
» Okay. So it would be rip wrap shall be

1916
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,360
added to fees8 on sheets 30 and 58.

1917
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:38,960
>> 30 of 58.

1918
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:48,390
>> Oh 30 of 58. Sorry. Okay.

1919
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:52,960
F E S8 and then on sheet on sheet 30 of

1920
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,480
58

1921
01:19:54,480 --> 01:20:01,430
and then

1922
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:02,560
30 of 58.

1923
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,910
>> Y okay.

1924
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,320
» And that was pond two.

1925
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:14,870
>> Yes.

1926
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,120
So that will be read rip wrap shall be

1927
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,520
added to fees8

1928
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,600
in pond two on sheet 30 of it's actually

1929
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,320
57 sheets now one was deleted

1930
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,400
>> just do page 30 sheet 30

1931
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:29,600
>> just do sheet 30

1932
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:35,430
>> okay so just sheet 30 period

1933
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:39,910
» number

1934
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,229
» yeah

1935
01:20:42,239 --> 01:20:43,600
the the the

1936
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,400
>> Yeah, the page numbers.

1937
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,390
>> Yeah, it was a

1938
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:55,750
» Okay,

1939
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:59,199
» we have sheet 30 pine two on sheet 30.

1940
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:01,679
>> I just want to ask this question. I

1941
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:04,880
guess sheet sheet 35 is a tree planting

1942
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:05,760
plan

1943
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:06,719
>> is what

1944
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:09,679
>> tree planting plan.

1945
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:11,840
Is there any other landscaping that's

1946
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,920
going to take place? Do we need to show

1947
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,280
landscaping on the

1948
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:16,560
>> hearing is closed? We can't talk to the

1949
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,880
applicant anymore. Really? I mean this

1950
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:19,440
is that

1951
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:20,719
>> No, I thought I was talking to you.

1952
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:20,960
Okay.

1953
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,480
>> Yeah. We determined that there's no

1954
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,640
other landscaping shown in the set.

1955
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,480
>> So in the drainage ponds and all that

1956
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:28,159
there's no landscaping shown.

1957
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:30,080
>> No.

1958
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,600
So that will be shown prior to

1959
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,040
endorsement.

1960
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,000
>> Okay, that's what I was

1961
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,880
>> That's what we added.

1962
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:35,840
>> That's what I want to make sure.

1963
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,360
>> So that's what we just added under um

1964
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,280
under 4B.

1965
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,719
>> So we are going to see a tree we're

1966
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:45,360
going to see a planting plan, not a tree

1967
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,719
planting plan,

1968
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:50,480
>> landscape plantings.

1969
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,560
>> So did but did we say that we want

1970
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,960
>> No. If you want a if you actually want a

1971
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,080
landscaping

1972
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,199
>> a landscape planting plan for all of the

1973
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,120
infrastructure that needs to be a

1974
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,920
condition because you do not necessarily

1975
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,520
have that right now.

1976
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,760
>> All we have is landscape planting shall

1977
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,040
be modified

1978
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,360
>> you know to exclude planting. So I think

1979
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,600
that actually assumes there will be a

1980
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:14,960
plan because where else would they be

1981
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,280
showing it? that I think you can put.

1982
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,040
So, going back to 4B

1983
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:19,920
>> landscaping plan,

1984
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,719
>> you can put um a landscaping plan shall

1985
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:24,480
be provided

1986
01:22:24,480 --> 01:22:35,110
to show and then Beth's condition.

1987
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:35,920
» So, did you

1988
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,800
>> I'm not clear that my condition

1989
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,520
identifies the drainage infrastructure

1990
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:42,639
at all.

1991
01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:43,440
>> Right. So we

1992
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:45,520
>> I mean are are you planning to plant

1993
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,440
that? I mean it's likely they could just

1994
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:49,600
Sorry. They could just be seeding that

1995
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,719
with a with a seed mix. I mean we

1996
01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:56,560
haven't we haven't discussed it. We

1997
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,639
haven't identified that infrastructure.

1998
01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:00,800
So we could

1999
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,239
>> we should know what they're planting it

2000
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:02,800
with.

2001
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,080
>> We really should. Yeah. So,

2002
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:10,400
a landscaping plan shall be provided to

2003
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,550
um designate

2004
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:19,920
um landscape plantings and street trees

2005
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,880
uh to and to exclude.

2006
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,280
So what I sent hold on sorry I can just

2007
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:29,199
pull just sent you.

2008
01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:31,120
>> So what I sent the language says

2009
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,960
landscape plantings in street trees

2010
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,360
shall be modified to exclude plants

2011
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,560
listed as invasive or likely invasive as

2012
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,440
identified by my all selected plants and

2013
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:43,280
street trees shall be native to the

2014
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,440
northeast United States. Right. So we

2015
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:46,800
need to add before that that a

2016
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,120
landscaping plan shall be provided

2017
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,199
>> for all infrastructure areas.

2018
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:54,470
>> Yes.

2019
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,040
And if they're just seating those areas,

2020
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,960
they just show seated areas.

2021
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,719
>> Correct. I mean, ideally they'd share a

2022
01:24:00,719 --> 01:24:02,000
seed mix.

2023
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:02,480
>> Yes.

2024
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:03,920
>> Yeah. I think it's good to get the seed

2025
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:08,159
mixing plant shall be provided for all

2026
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:09,280
infrastructure,

2027
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:13,440
>> but is there a certain percentage

2028
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:18,960
of landscaping that should be met?

2029
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,600
>> You don't have any requirements of it. I

2030
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:22,239
mean,

2031
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:23,679
>> could we request that?

2032
01:24:23,679 --> 01:24:26,880
>> It's just how about if it's just like

2033
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,400
>> it could be the bare minimum. Like would

2034
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,880
shouldn't there be a percentage that

2035
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,760
they have to at least have

2036
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,199
>> have what?

2037
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,120
>> Plantings,

2038
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:39,679
trees.

2039
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:41,440
>> We don't have any requirement in our

2040
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,280
rules and regulations that talk about

2041
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:44,880
that. We can't

2042
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,199
>> we can't request like for example a

2043
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,600
landscape architect be involved in the

2044
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:50,080
certain

2045
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,360
>> we could but not not a week before the

2046
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,120
deadline

2047
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,560
I mean this is you know if that if that

2048
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,000
would have been something to talk about

2049
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,760
really at the preliminary plan stage

2050
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,360
when we were

2051
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,639
>> why can't we why can't we

2052
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:08,000
add it

2053
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,239
>> we have six days before they get a

2054
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:11,920
constructive approval

2055
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,480
>> no I Can I

2056
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:17,360
>> It's Go ahead, Bill.

2057
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,679
>> I was just going to offer that a lot of

2058
01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:21,760
times what we'll say is the landscape

2059
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,120
plan shall be um

2060
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,679
shall be provided by a landscape

2061
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,600
architect or other qualified

2062
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,639
professional. And then that that just

2063
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:38,400
indicates that it's not going to be um

2064
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,880
an unqualified plan and that it would

2065
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,000
show you for all infrastructure areas.

2066
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,239
That way you're getting if they have a

2067
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,080
landscape architect on board, that

2068
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,000
person would be doing it. If if they

2069
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,000
don't, they'd have somebody who's

2070
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,239
qualified and knowledgeable about plants

2071
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,880
putting it together.

2072
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,480
You know, if you saw that it was being

2073
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:01,199
prepared by a a sewer professional, you

2074
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:04,480
could say, "I I object to this sewer

2075
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:09,669
professional's landscape plan."

2076
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:11,120
» Amy,

2077
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,920
>> yeah, I I agree with Val. Um there I

2078
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,880
don't think that at this stage we could

2079
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,440
require certain areas be planted,

2080
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:23,440
certain areas not be planted. Um or

2081
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:25,280
percentage. I don't know how we can

2082
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,639
calculate that

2083
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:29,920
>> but we can request we we can require an

2084
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,040
architect landscape design

2085
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,280
>> uh a yeah submitted by a landscape

2086
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,199
architect or qualified individual is

2087
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:37,600
fine.

2088
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:38,080
>> Yeah.

2089
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:39,760
>> Okay. So we can add that

2090
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,600
>> a landscaping plan prepared by a

2091
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,040
qualified professional should be

2092
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,120
provided

2093
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:46,000
to

2094
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:53,750
>> for all in for all infrastructure areas.

2095
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Then she'll designate landscape

2096
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,080
plantings and street trees.

2097
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:01,120
>> And then best sentence about the

2098
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,950
invasive

2099
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,159
» you say by a qualified landscape

2100
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:10,239
professional,

2101
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,639
>> right? Could prepare by a qualified

2102
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:15,679
landscape professional.

2103
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:17,679
>> Why don't we say landscape architect or

2104
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:26,149
qualified landscape professional?

2105
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:31,360
by a landscape architect or qualified

2106
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:44,470
landscape professional.

2107
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,960
» So, it's going to say a landscaping

2108
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,320
plan.

2109
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:51,600
>> Landscaped plan. Landscape

2110
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,000
>> plan.

2111
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,080
>> Yeah, landscape, not landscape.

2112
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:54,719
>> Okay.

2113
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,560
>> A landscape plan.

2114
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,719
>> They're always called landscaping plans.

2115
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:00,320
>> No,

2116
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:01,440
>> it's landscape.

2117
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:02,960
>> That's a landscape architect. And I'm

2118
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,719
not going to argue.

2119
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:06,560
>> Maybe. I was going to say maybe by

2120
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:07,520
lawyers.

2121
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,920
>> I guess I'm always saying it wrong.

2122
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:10,719
>> Yes,

2123
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,159
>> that's how I always put it in my

2124
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:13,840
decision. Landscaping plan. So, it

2125
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,560
should be a landscape plan.

2126
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,679
prepared by a landscape

2127
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:23,520
architect or qualified professional

2128
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,239
shall be provided for all infrastructure

2129
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:29,360
areas and shall designate landscape

2130
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,560
plantings and street trees.

2131
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,639
And then we'll add Beth sentence about

2132
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:37,199
invasive species and native to the

2133
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,120
northeast.

2134
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,679
>> Oh yeah, qualified landscape

2135
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:44,080
professional, right?

2136
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:44,560
We don't want

2137
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,040
>> So be prepared by a landscape architect

2138
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:48,320
or qualified

2139
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:49,760
>> landscape professional.

2140
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,239
>> Qualified landscape. Okay. Yep. I have

2141
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:53,840
that. I just missed that because I have

2142
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:56,239
landscape twice. So landscape architect

2143
01:28:56,239 --> 01:29:00,560
or a qualified landscape professional.

2144
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,760
>> Sounds good. All right.

2145
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:08,960
Moving on. At the top of the next page, six, um e monuments shall be shown

2146
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,120
on the loading plan. That's just another

2147
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,280
um detail that the applicant realizes

2148
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,719
they have to add. Um

2149
01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:21,600
we took final signage plans and details

2150
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,040
out of prior to endorsement and had has

2151
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,280
added so we're still going to see them

2152
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,120
just not before endorsement. So we'll

2153
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,719
still have an opportunity to review

2154
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:35,440
those. And so um that has been added on

2155
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,199
the very last page under other

2156
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,280
conditions is number 30 says final

2157
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,040
signage plans in detail shall be shown

2158
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,120
on the construction plans rather than

2159
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,000
the endorsement plans.

2160
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,840
>> So they're still in there. It's just not

2161
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:49,840
prior to endorsement. I was just curious

2162
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,159
what the change was, why you decided,

2163
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:53,600
>> there's already signs shown in there and

2164
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,040
there's just just an opportunity to

2165
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,880
develop them and it's it's something

2166
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,800
we'll see before they go up and it's

2167
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,280
just more time to put them in the

2168
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:08,310
construction plans

2169
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,480
provide the third party testing

2170
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:13,679
reference from NJC technology referenced

2171
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:17,120
in the review spon. So there was just in

2172
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,120
the whole storm water discussion between

2173
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,280
the applicant and our peer reviewer,

2174
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,679
there was a reference to a testing

2175
01:30:23,679 --> 01:30:27,120
standard that um the reply was based on

2176
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,040
and that just needs to be transmitted to

2177
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,280
the peer reviewer and we'll get a copy

2178
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:35,280
of that. Can we uh extend the initials

2179
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,760
for NJCAT

2180
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,080
uh to the long form you know the

2181
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:41,600
accessible

2182
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,639
the acceptable accessible standard for

2183
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:47,840
documents that will post

2184
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:50,719
recommend that you have the full

2185
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:51,679
language. So

2186
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:53,440
>> So you're saying you want what the the

2187
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,800
acronym stands for? Right.

2188
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,639
>> Okay. I will find that out and I will

2189
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:58,320
add that. Wherever there's an acronym

2190
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:02,709
that doesn't have that somewhere at le

2191
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:04,400
» Well, the one that

2192
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:07,040
>> Oh, that she's going to spell that out.

2193
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,320
Massachusetts invasive something advisory group.

2194
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,040
>> Yeah, but you'll be giving all of the

2195
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:13,520
words.

2196
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,350
>> I mean, that's the only one I

2197
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:18,320
» just in case

2198
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,639
>> and and I I will get that from either

2199
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,360
peer reviewer or um the applicant to add

2200
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:24,800
that language in. But you're correct,

2201
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,960
Simone.

2202
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:32,070
NJC cat.

2203
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,120
Um then condition five, the water man

2204
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:36,560
shall be looped and connected to the

2205
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,400
existing main on Turtleback. That was in

2206
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,400
our draft. We've taken that out because

2207
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,080
Weston and Samson has confirmed that

2208
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:44,080
that's on the plans. So there's no need

2209
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,120
to condition it.

2210
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,360
The emergency access road shall include

2211
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:50,639
an automated gate at the end of

2212
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:52,320
turtleback extension at the end of the

2213
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,560
culde-sac road A within the subdivision

2214
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,560
limiting access to the emergency road to

2215
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,400
emergency vehicles and emergency egress

2216
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,239
ingress of private residents during an

2217
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,960
emergency only. The surface and design

2218
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,800
of the emergency access road shall be

2219
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:10,719
verified to be acceptable to the Essex

2220
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:12,320
Fire Department, Police Department and

2221
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,040
Department of Public Works. So this just

2222
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,040
a condition that before things get

2223
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:20,239
constructed that will be um

2224
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:22,880
go through the construction plans will

2225
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:26,320
go before the DPW fire department and

2226
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,760
police departments to review that.

2227
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:28,960
>> What is the standard they're going to be

2228
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,040
using?

2229
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,199
My only question is is we leave three

2230
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:35,040
different departments for three

2231
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:39,679
different approvals on a type of road.

2232
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:42,560
I see a problem with that. I'm picking

2233
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,560
anybody. I see three different opinions.

2234
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:45,760
>> What do you mean? What standards?

2235
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,600
>> It says the surface and design of the

2236
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,719
emergency access road shall be verified.

2237
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:52,239
>> Oh, the the three departments are going

2238
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:54,800
to have to agree on it.

2239
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:56,080
>> Yeah. Wouldn't it be better if we just

2240
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,239
put it to a standard of the subdivision

2241
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,480
standard road of 3 in or whatever we

2242
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:01,840
require?

2243
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,520
>> So, it's we know it's a paved road.

2244
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:04,719
That's where the fire department has

2245
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,080
made that statement. They want a paved

2246
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:08,080
road

2247
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,000
>> where it ties into turtle back. It's not

2248
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,639
ti it's not paved because that's not

2249
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:14,159
paved. No,

2250
01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:15,040
>> I thought it was

2251
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:16,159
>> Yeah, it was going to be paved.

2252
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:17,360
>> I thought it was going to be paved all

2253
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,280
the way to That was the request of the

2254
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:20,880
fire department. Pave it all the way to

2255
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,159
Turtle Back.

2256
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:26,000
>> This is

2257
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,840
why I asked now.

2258
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:29,040
>> That's why I'm asking now.

2259
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,440
>> The fire department wants it paved

2260
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,280
>> and you can leave this as it is because

2261
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,560
the police department and the department

2262
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:35,760
of public works aren't going to argue

2263
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:37,600
about it being paved. It's really only

2264
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,199
if it's not paid that they're going to

2265
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:41,040
have determined they have to determine

2266
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,560
what's acceptable.

2267
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,239
>> I mean, if you want if you want to bring

2268
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:45,760
it down to just one department, it would

2269
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,120
be the fire department,

2270
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,040
>> right? But there's no reason that the

2271
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,360
DPW can't have a say in it, too.

2272
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,880
>> Right. How it's

2273
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,800
>> I would prefer to let everyone have a

2274
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,040
say in it. And and all of these people

2275
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,480
work with each other all the time. And

2276
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,159
I'm sure we can come to a consensus.

2277
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:02,159
>> The more restrictive interpretation, the

2278
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:04,159
more restrictive desire will prevail,

2279
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:07,120
>> right? and and so the DPW could worry

2280
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,360
about one thing and the fire department

2281
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:11,600
could worry about another. We need to

2282
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,719
meet make all of them happy.

2283
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,360
>> Okay.

2284
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:20,560
>> But can't we just say the paved surface

2285
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,520
and design just put paved

2286
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,040
>> this

2287
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:25,679
with what?

2288
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:26,800
>> Concrete as

2289
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,280
>> what's

2290
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:32,239
>> I would be surprised it the emergency

2291
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:35,840
roads are usually not paved. This one is

2292
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,040
>> because it's longer.

2293
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:39,360
>> This one is paved because it's steep and

2294
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:39,760
long.

2295
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:40,080
>> Okay.

2296
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,679
>> And it's paved for most of the distance,

2297
01:34:41,679 --> 01:34:43,280
but right where it comes out on Turtle

2298
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:44,800
Back Road, it's in people's driveways.

2299
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,480
They all have gravel driveways now. So,

2300
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:48,719
that part I don't think is getting paid.

2301
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:51,120
We can clarify that. But this is the

2302
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,600
police and fire have the applicant has

2303
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,199
taken the plans to police and fire

2304
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:57,040
already and talked about it. So, they're

2305
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,040
okay with what's on the plans. I know

2306
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:01,920
that. I mean, I talked to them today. So

2307
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,679
the police the fire department's

2308
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:05,280
requiring it to be paved even though

2309
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,040
they're coming up a gravel road to get

2310
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:08,560
to it.

2311
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,960
>> But it's not it's it's just the driveway

2312
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:11,840
>> because of the steep.

2313
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,840
>> Yeah. The the the part that comes off at

2314
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,600
Turtle Back is fairly flat right now.

2315
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,199
That's where we walked out.

2316
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:19,600
>> But the the pitch up to the subdivision

2317
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,159
is going to be part of it is at 8%.

2318
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:24,159
>> I see. Um

2319
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:25,600
>> yeah, as long as they have jurisdiction

2320
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,679
over it, right? Doesn't matter. Well,

2321
01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,199
but I mean the way this is written

2322
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,679
>> back road or turtleback What? It says

2323
01:35:31,679 --> 01:35:33,679
road on the plan. Is it turtle back road

2324
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:35,440
or turtleback extension? What's

2325
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,760
>> turtle extension? I I think of turtle

2326
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:38,880
back as the

2327
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,560
>> the whole thing is turtle but it's

2328
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:42,239
turtleback extension on the loop where

2329
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:43,520
it comes in.

2330
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:51,990
>> Okay.

2331
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,520
Then the sixth condition just addresses

2332
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,440
our clerk of the works construction

2333
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:59,679
inspector

2334
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:05,990
to review the work on our behalf.

2335
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,070
» Why do we have two names?

2336
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:11,760
Why is it why isn't it just called clerk

2337
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:12,880
of the works everywhere? Because

2338
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,320
sometimes it's called representative,

2339
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:15,520
sometimes it's called construction

2340
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:16,719
inspector.

2341
01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:18,239
>> It should be a third party inspector.

2342
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,000
>> It should be what? third party inspector

2343
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,120
is what it should be. But

2344
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:21,679
>> okay,

2345
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:23,280
>> so we're taking those both out and being

2346
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:24,560
third party inspector.

2347
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:25,520
>> But then we'd have to change it

2348
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,159
everywhere.

2349
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:26,480
>> Yeah,

2350
01:36:26,480 --> 01:36:28,000
>> that's okay. That's what word searches

2351
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:28,480
for.

2352
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:31,120
>> And then the other thing is um Madam

2353
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,080
Chair, do we want to put in that um that

2354
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,639
it at the applicant's expense? Do we

2355
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:38,639
want to put in that it will be pursuant

2356
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:41,840
to um 4453G,

2357
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,280
which is the peer review account, and

2358
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:44,639
then if it gets down to a certain

2359
01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:46,719
amount, they have to replenish it.

2360
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:49,360
That's in So that here. I thought I

2361
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,520
>> No, we haven't mentioned that anywhere.

2362
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:52,320
>> Okay.

2363
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,520
>> So, that um that's MGL.

2364
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,080
>> I can get this to you. Yes. So, it's um

2365
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:03,199
Yeah, it's MGL chapter 44 section 56 53

2366
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:04,639
G. And then

2367
01:37:04,639 --> 01:37:05,280
>> right

2368
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:08,239
>> what we do is we come up with a um an

2369
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:12,159
initial amount which is usually um

2370
01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:14,320
>> it can be anywhere between 25 and

2371
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,560
$10,000 and then if it gets down to 2500

2372
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,520
or 1500 they have to replenish it by up

2373
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:25,360
to to have it up to 5,000 at all times.

2374
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,960
>> Yeah. I was going to recommend that it

2375
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,800
be kept at a minimum during construction

2376
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:30,320
at 5,000.

2377
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,920
>> Okay.

2378
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,800
and I can provide that language.

2379
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,280
>> Um, I have it for most of my decisions.

2380
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:43,430
>> Okay.

2381
01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,520
» Any questions on that?

2382
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,040
>> And is that the same thing as the

2383
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,840
performance security?

2384
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:50,480
>> Where are you looking?

2385
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:51,840
>> Where's that?

2386
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,320
>> That's much later. Number 32 references

2387
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,080
the performance security. And I just had

2388
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:57,280
a comment that we don't have anything

2389
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:58,960
that says anything about the performance

2390
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,520
security. That's different. Um, what you

2391
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,600
do have is the covenant. The covenant

2392
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,719
serves as your security until they want

2393
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:10,239
to post a co u a performance guarantee.

2394
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:11,760
>> I don't even see it.

2395
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,560
>> Uh, the top. Well, sorry.

2396
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:19,920
It's on the old one. Um, number 32.

2397
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,520
>> Which version?

2398
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,199
>> Maybe different now.

2399
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:26,719
>> It's different. I think

2400
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:28,800
>> site. It's right above site maintenance.

2401
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:35,990
Where is that? There it is. Number 28.

2402
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,520
» Oh, that that's different. Yeah,

2403
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:47,830
>> it's totally different. Yep. Okay.

2404
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,880
So, we're just going to add to

2405
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:56,629
condition six.

2406
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,920
Um, language that references Mass

2407
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,960
General chapter 44

2408
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,440
and Amy will get us at its standard

2409
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:06,000
reference.

2410
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:06,400
>> Yes.

2411
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:07,280
>> Okay.

2412
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,280
send myself an email.

2413
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,320
>> Yep. So, prior to construction, moving

2414
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,920
on to the next section,

2415
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:21,510
the boilerplate about being registered.

2416
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:28,470
Um,

2417
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:31,840
» I think that should say recorded.

2418
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:33,199
>> I'm sorry.

2419
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,040
>> I think the word there should be

2420
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:37,920
recorded.

2421
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,760
on on seven

2422
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:42,400
>> recorded or registered.

2423
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,199
>> Oh,

2424
01:39:43,199 --> 01:39:46,310
>> there.

2425
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,040
» Um I'm not clear. Oh, you're talking on

2426
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,760
seven. It says recorded or registered.

2427
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:56,950
>> Yeah.

2428
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,320
» So, what what needs to change there?

2429
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,239
>> I would just say reported

2430
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:05,600
>> and not registered.

2431
01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:06,400
Yeah,

2432
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:32,070
>> recorded.

2433
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,480
Okay, the next

2434
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,590
Um,

2435
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,080
for the next couple ones, we need to

2436
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,239
look at the final document because the

2437
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:45,119
edits here are really confusing. So,

2438
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:47,840
after that one, um, where we're taking

2439
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:57,510
out registered, just recorded instead.

2440
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:01,760
Then number eight, we'll read.

2441
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,639
Okay. So, so eight

2442
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:09,360
jumps. So, nine, there's a nine in the

2443
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,600
um the draft. That's confusing because

2444
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,159
that's deleted. And then eight is prior

2445
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,239
to construction,

2446
01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:18,239
which comes from the paragraph above.

2447
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:19,920
But prior to construction, a storm water

2448
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,480
pollution prevention plan

2449
01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:24,960
SWPP shall be submitted to the planning

2450
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,719
board and shall include a storm water

2451
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:28,560
management controls, dust suppression

2452
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,480
plan, and all construction phase

2453
01:41:30,480 --> 01:41:32,159
dewatering and should be made available

2454
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,239
to the town's construction inspector for

2455
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:39,030
review.

2456
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,440
And that if we change construction

2457
01:41:41,440 --> 01:41:44,159
inspector to third party inspector, that

2458
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:47,520
change will be made throughout.

2459
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,080
Any questions on that?

2460
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,159
>> Uh I

2461
01:41:52,159 --> 01:41:57,440
the um I didn't know we had a inspection

2462
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:00,080
construction inspector. Is that Bill?

2463
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,040
>> No, that's third party.

2464
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:02,639
>> That's why it's a third party.

2465
01:42:02,639 --> 01:42:04,719
>> That's a clerk of the works person. The

2466
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:07,440
person that we hire to oversee the

2467
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,440
project on our behalf because we don't

2468
01:42:09,440 --> 01:42:11,360
have the qualifications or time to do

2469
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,679
that.

2470
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:17,600
Um, nine will be prior to construction

2471
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,719
activity of any kind

2472
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:22,400
and prior to any construction equipment

2473
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:23,760
being introduced into the site

2474
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,199
associated with the site plan. The

2475
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:26,560
developer shall submit to the planning

2476
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:27,840
board and the town's construction

2477
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,000
inspector a proposed phase construction

2478
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,080
sequence schedule, timetable, and bar

2479
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:34,880
chart. said schedule shall be to be used

2480
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:36,800
as a guide to activities within the

2481
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,320
development including construction of

2482
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:41,119
roadways utilities drainage system

2483
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:42,880
stabilization earth removal and

2484
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,560
stockpiling. The schedule once

2485
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,320
established it will not be deviated from

2486
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,239
and may only be modified in agreement

2487
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:50,320
between the developer and the planning

2488
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:52,880
board. When we change that from

2489
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,560
construction inspector to planning board

2490
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:59,920
because he's working at our disposal.

2491
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,800
Madam Chair, can you add uh the building

2492
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:06,480
commissioner on to any submitts?

2493
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:08,480
>> So where where's any submitts?

2494
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:09,920
>> Yeah, all these that are required to go

2495
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,520
to the planning board and to the third

2496
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,800
party inspector that I get a copy of it

2497
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,520
to so I can keep it for records. So

2498
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,199
>> So

2499
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:22,719
you're where are you looking? um on any

2500
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:24,000
of these prior to construction and

2501
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,440
endurance stuff and they have to submit

2502
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:26,719
stuff prior to

2503
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:27,440
>> okay

2504
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:29,840
>> um that I get a copy of it be copied on

2505
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,000
them just added in

2506
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:35,119
>> who who who oversees the third party

2507
01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:36,400
construction

2508
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:37,679
>> plan board

2509
01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:38,480
>> we do

2510
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:44,229
>> yeah okay

2511
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,080
» the applicants expense

2512
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:51,430
>> I think that's you

2513
01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:52,960
It's not you.

2514
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,639
>> Oh,

2515
01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:56,159
everything eventually I mean

2516
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:59,040
>> everything eventually comes down to me.

2517
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:07,669
>> It flows.

2518
01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:10,320
Okay. Number 10. Prior to construction,

2519
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:14,320
an order of conditions must be received

2520
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,000
from the conservation commission for the

2521
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,760
work as proposed on the plans. Any

2522
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:19,360
significant changes to the proposed

2523
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:23,040
roads and or drainage are subject to

2524
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,960
further review by the planning board.

2525
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,880
>> Madam chair, I would just add that I

2526
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,239
would just um prior to construction a

2527
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:36,159
final order of conditions. So if an

2528
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:37,520
order of conditions has been appealed,

2529
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,920
it's not final.

2530
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,000
>> Okay. Prior to construction,

2531
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,320
>> and that is a term that D uses, final

2532
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,800
order conditions. So, we're adding prior

2533
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:48,480
to construction, a final order of

2534
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,880
conditions must be received from the

2535
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:52,800
conservation commission for the work

2536
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:53,440
list. Okay.

2537
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:54,880
>> And the F is capital.

2538
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:55,360
>> Hm.

2539
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:56,880
>> F is capital on final.

2540
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,960
>> Oh, okay. So, it's capital F1.

2541
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:00,719
>> Would we want to review it if they

2542
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:05,520
change septic anything?

2543
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:06,320
>> H

2544
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,159
>> the location.

2545
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:08,719
>> They have to.

2546
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:10,960
>> Do you have a separate condition?

2547
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,639
>> They they'll have to come back to us.

2548
01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:15,679
>> Yeah. because it's limited to roads and

2549
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:17,440
drainage in this statement,

2550
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:19,679
>> right? If if there's a change to the

2551
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:21,119
roads and if there's a change to the

2552
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:22,239
infrastructure, they have to come back

2553
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:22,719
to you.

2554
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:24,800
>> Okay. Can we then add the word

2555
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,600
infrastructure

2556
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:30,960
>> instead of roads and drainage?

2557
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,400
>> It's you're saying the same thing in two

2558
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,000
different ways. So, what do you

2559
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,440
>> Well, infrastructure you're saying

2560
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,679
covers septic roads and drainage.

2561
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:39,840
>> No, it No, it doesn't. No,

2562
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,679
infrastructure is roads and drainage.

2563
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:43,440
Septic is se is is separate.

2564
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:44,800
>> Septic as an infrastructure.

2565
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,119
>> Would we review septic in this condition

2566
01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:48,960
order of conditions come back and moves

2567
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,400
the septic?

2568
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,719
>> You have excuse me if I may. You have a

2569
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:55,119
separate condition that addresses when

2570
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,440
the board of health reviews

2571
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:00,080
>> the u shared septic systems if there's a

2572
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,800
change in the roads and drainage that it

2573
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,000
will come back to you for further

2574
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,320
review. It's a separate condition. It's

2575
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,080
yeah on 12 we talk about that it says

2576
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:10,560
any significant changes proposed to the

2577
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:12,800
proposed roads and or drainage are

2578
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,320
subject to further review by the

2579
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,560
planning board

2580
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,480
>> right that's the one we're reading right

2581
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:19,840
>> no

2582
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:21,679
>> aren't we reading 12 I'm sorry

2583
01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:23,280
>> 12th yeah that that's on 12

2584
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,600
>> I'm I'm number 10 same thing I'm call

2585
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,400
I'm talking about number 10 I have

2586
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,080
number 12 the old one but

2587
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:32,480
>> but what what Amy is saying is if you

2588
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:32,880
say

2589
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,560
>> it's somewhere else

2590
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:36,480
>> the septic review would be somewhere

2591
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:36,880
else.

2592
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:38,239
>> It's in item 12,

2593
01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:38,639
>> right?

2594
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:38,880
>> Yeah.

2595
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,910
>> Okay.

2596
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:44,400
» Um 11 is prior to construction. There

2597
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,320
should be an on-site walkover and

2598
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,960
construction preview meeting to include

2599
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,800
the town's construction inspector, the

2600
01:46:50,800 --> 01:46:52,400
fire chief, the police chief, the

2601
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:53,679
department of public works,

2602
01:46:53,679 --> 01:46:55,199
superintendent.

2603
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:56,960
All limits of work shall be marked in

2604
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:58,880
advance. So, we'll be adding building

2605
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,760
inspector to that list.

2606
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:04,000
Can we revise the first sentence to say

2607
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,520
instead of there will shall be an

2608
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,080
on-site walkover that there shall be a

2609
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,400
mandatory preconstruction site meeting

2610
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:14,080
and walkthrough shall be conducted.

2611
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:18,880
I mean the language is a little funky.

2612
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:22,960
>> So say that again slowly.

2613
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,239
>> Prior to construction, a mandatory

2614
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:32,709
preconstruction site meeting

2615
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:35,199
and walk through

2616
01:47:35,199 --> 01:47:37,440
shall be conducted.

2617
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:42,470
Period.

2618
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:45,600
The town

2619
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,000
third party inspector, the building

2620
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:52,880
commissioner, the fire chief, blah blah blah.

2621
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:57,679
Or attendees must include the town, blah blah blah blah.

2622
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:07,270
>> Okay. attendee shall include.

2623
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:08,960
» Okay. So, prior to construction, a

2624
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,360
mandatory pre-construction site meeting

2625
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:14,800
and walkth through shall be conducted.

2626
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,830
Period.

2627
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:21,109
Attendees

2628
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:24,080
shall include the town's construction

2629
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,679
inspector, the fire chief, the police

2630
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:28,560
chief, the department of public works,

2631
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:31,440
>> no police chief, but

2632
01:48:31,440 --> 01:48:33,040
the building commissioner.

2633
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:33,600
>> H

2634
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:34,880
>> the building commissioner,

2635
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:36,719
>> right? And the building inspector is is

2636
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:37,520
added there.

2637
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:38,560
>> Yeah.

2638
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:40,800
>> But that the police chief isn't on this

2639
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,239
list. Do we want the police chief?

2640
01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:43,600
>> He's on the list.

2641
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,360
>> You're on the wrong You're on the wrong

2642
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,199
document. We're on the We're on the

2643
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:49,119
>> Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I just got this

2644
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:52,159
one. I I reviewed it.

2645
01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:53,840
>> Okay.

2646
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,400
>> Yeah. So, prior to construction, a

2647
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,880
mandatory preconstruction site meeting

2648
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,280
and walkthrough shall be conducted.

2649
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:04,080
Period. Attendees shall include the

2650
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:05,760
town's construction consultant,

2651
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,239
inspector,

2652
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:09,920
the fire chief, the police chief, the

2653
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:10,960
department of public works

2654
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:12,480
superintendent, and the building

2655
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:15,040
inspector.

2656
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:16,719
All limits of work shall be marked in

2657
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:18,320
advance of this meeting. During this

2658
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:19,840
meeting, there will be a video recording

2659
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:21,840
made of the existing condition of Essex

2660
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,159
Park Road up to and including the

2661
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,880
intersection curbing with Route 13.

2662
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:30,000
That's Route 22.

2663
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,280
Um,

2664
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:32,960
>> yeah, I was wondering how that video was

2665
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:34,400
going to be made.

2666
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:36,880
>> Who's doing the video then? Who would do

2667
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:38,080
the video?

2668
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:42,149
>> The town inspector.

2669
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:44,560
» Who who does the video? So either the

2670
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,719
applicant can do the video or pay our

2671
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:48,719
town inspector to do it, but it's it

2672
01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:51,830
it's

2673
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:57,030
» Yeah. I

2674
01:49:57,040 --> 01:49:58,719
» I don't know. It just seems vague there.

2675
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:02,400
I just That's why I was wondering.

2676
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,560
>> I don't know who would do that, but it

2677
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,560
>> I think it'll be a group decision at the

2678
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,880
time. Whoever has the equipment can make

2679
01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:11,119
the video as and they'll it'll be made

2680
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:13,440
as a group and then everybody will have

2681
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,360
a copy of it.

2682
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:16,719
>> Who's do who's going to have the

2683
01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:17,679
equipment,

2684
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:19,760
>> right? Like who has equipment? Just put

2685
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:20,719
the applicant

2686
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,560
>> phone whoever

2687
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:24,480
>> just say applicants.

2688
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,600
>> Yeah, just make the applicant do it

2689
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,560
during this meeting. The applicant will

2690
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,400
uh video will will make a video

2691
01:50:32,400 --> 01:50:33,119
recording.

2692
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:36,320
>> Okay. Thanks. So

2693
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:42,229
the applicant

2694
01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:45,440
» during this meeting the applicant will

2695
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:48,320
make a video recording of

2696
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:49,679
>> made of the exist and then just keep

2697
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:50,400
going. Yeah.

2698
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,480
>> Yeah. Of the existing condition of Essex

2699
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:53,920
Park Road up to including the

2700
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,719
intersection curving route 22 and

2701
01:50:56,719 --> 01:50:58,639
including the culvert that crosses

2702
01:50:58,639 --> 01:51:00,239
underneath the roadway which should be

2703
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:02,800
used to document existing conditions.

2704
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,480
the Department of Public Works or its

2705
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:06,159
representative and the developer shall

2706
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:07,920
walk the area every six months during

2707
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:09,600
construction to determine if any damage

2708
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,920
has occurred as a result of construction

2709
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:14,960
and the developer shall make repairs

2710
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,679
promptly when damage pursuant to

2711
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,360
construction has occurred. A final

2712
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:22,000
release of performance guarantee or lot

2713
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:23,520
from the planning board covenant shall

2714
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,199
not be granted until a final walkthrough

2715
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:26,800
is taken place and such repairs are

2716
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,119
made. Do we want the third party

2717
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:33,360
consultant to go to that sixmonth walk

2718
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,560
through?

2719
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,560
>> I don't think you need it. That's all

2720
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,159
belongs to DPW. It's their

2721
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:39,040
responsibility.

2722
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,599
>> Okay.

2723
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:43,520
>> Number 12. Prior to construction, the

2724
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,119
wastewater treatment design must be

2725
01:51:45,119 --> 01:51:46,560
approved by the board of health. Any

2726
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,239
significant changes to the proposed

2727
01:51:48,239 --> 01:51:50,560
roads or drainage are subject to further

2728
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:58,629
review by the planning board.

2729
01:51:58,639 --> 01:52:00,239
Prior to the final construction of the

2730
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:01,840
roadways, road name shall be submitted

2731
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,280
to and agreed upon with the planning

2732
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,040
board, the Essex Police Department, and

2733
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:06,880
the Essex Fire Department.

2734
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:08,960
>> So, when is that?

2735
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,159
>> I'm sorry.

2736
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:12,639
>> When is final to construction of the

2737
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:14,719
roadways? The final construction. Can we

2738
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:17,840
either say

2739
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,840
at the end of the construction or at the

2740
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:21,360
beginning of the construction? I mean

2741
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:22,080
right now it's

2742
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:23,760
>> I believe at the end of the process of

2743
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,760
the subdivision they come back and file

2744
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,119
all the documents

2745
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:29,360
>> and the plane board is a final sign off.

2746
01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:31,840
>> So prior to con to the construction of

2747
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,520
the roadways and take out

2748
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,320
>> prior prior to the final wearing course

2749
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:37,199
being applied.

2750
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:39,520
>> Yeah cuz they because sometimes they

2751
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,520
build them as they go. So they need the

2752
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,040
road name

2753
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:45,119
>> before the final.

2754
01:52:45,119 --> 01:52:47,599
>> So I'm just saying when is that? So, can

2755
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:50,239
we just indicate when it is prior to

2756
01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:50,880
construction?

2757
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,800
>> It says prior to construction up above.

2758
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,880
So, let's just do prior to construction.

2759
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:55,679
>> Yeah,

2760
01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:57,679
>> I I would recommend going to prior to

2761
01:52:57,679 --> 01:52:59,679
endorsement.

2762
01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:01,119
>> Prior to what?

2763
01:53:01,119 --> 01:53:02,000
>> Endorsement.

2764
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,760
>> So, move this move this to prior to

2765
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:07,589
endorsement.

2766
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:10,000
» So, that would be prior prior to

2767
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,800
endorsement of the plan and then go road

2768
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,400
names blah blah blah. So, you're going

2769
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:15,760
to move this to the other section.

2770
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,520
>> That's going to get moved to prior to

2771
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:21,990
endorsement.

2772
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,760
» That way, the plan goes on record with

2773
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:32,310
the right road name.

2774
01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,000
Pressure is on for that one.

2775
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,320
>> Did your um assessor weigh in on road

2776
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,960
names?

2777
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:40,400
>> Bill, do you know?

2778
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,040
>> I don't know. Um I'm I'm not sure

2779
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,880
exactly who weighs in on their names.

2780
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:46,719
>> I think we can add the assessors here in

2781
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:49,679
case they want to. Um and if they don't

2782
01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,119
want to, they can just say no. Thank

2783
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:51,920
you.

2784
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,080
>> The assessors.

2785
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:59,109
Okay.

2786
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:00,639
In case there's any reason that they

2787
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:01,679
would have

2788
01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:05,189
>> some towns

2789
01:54:05,199 --> 01:54:07,360
equipment for the automated gates. So

2790
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,440
that that section is actually that that

2791
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:11,440
condition is moving to the section where

2792
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:16,880
we have earlier it was um number four

2793
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:20,159
that had um the plan should be modified

2794
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:21,760
to include the following prior to

2795
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:24,400
endorsement. So that condition is coming

2796
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:26,960
out and going as a subcondition to

2797
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,280
condition number four.

2798
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:35,350
>> Yeah, that makes sense.

2799
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,119
The equipment for the automated gates at

2800
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:39,199
each end of the emergency access road

2801
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:41,119
shall be selected and verified to be

2802
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:42,960
acceptable to the Essex Fire Department,

2803
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:45,040
Essex Police Department, and Department

2804
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:46,719
of Public Works and shall be verified

2805
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:48,719
with Kinder Morgan for gas line access

2806
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:54,470
as well.

2807
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,040
Additional geotechnical work andor test

2808
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,960
pits or soil expiration shall be

2809
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,199
completed for the following purposes.

2810
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,040
And a geotechnical engineer shall be

2811
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:04,880
retained to engage in pre-construction

2812
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,880
planning steps and to oversee earthwork

2813
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,320
and retaining structures during

2814
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:10,000
construction, including the following

2815
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:14,000
steps and duties. And these all um come

2816
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,800
from the peer review. Test pits for

2817
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,520
basin 6P which haven't been completed

2818
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:21,679
yet. Test pits to address bylaw

2819
01:55:21,679 --> 01:55:25,280
requirement 6-4.3.8.14

2820
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,760
8.14 regarding earth removal to within

2821
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,800
4t of historical high groundwater to be

2822
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:32,639
coordinated by a geotechnical engineer

2823
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:35,199
retained for this purpose.

2824
01:55:35,199 --> 01:55:38,000
soil test as required to be conducted by

2825
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,080
the town of Essex storm water management

2826
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:46,159
regulation section six section 7-d11

2827
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:48,080
and during construction to provide

2828
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:49,840
certification from the geotechnical

2829
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,159
engineer that all built embankments on

2830
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:53,599
the site have been adequately

2831
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,199
constructed in accordance with their

2832
01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:57,280
recommendations the geotechnical

2833
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:58,880
engineer shall be retained to oversee

2834
01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,800
the work to ensure compliance with their

2835
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,639
recommendations

2836
01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:03,280
all of these

2837
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,560
>> retains I'm Sorry. Who retains the

2838
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:08,719
geotechnical engineer?

2839
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:11,920
>> The applicant.

2840
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,679
>> Okay, that I don't think that's clear

2841
01:56:13,679 --> 01:56:15,920
because in other when we're

2842
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,679
>> so then we'll add it to the first

2843
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,320
sentence that not any of the bullets yet

2844
01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:23,760
shall be retained by the applicant.

2845
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,560
>> Um this is we we went over a lot of this

2846
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:28,960
in our last meeting when we were walking

2847
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:32,800
through um the peerreview comments and

2848
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,239
>> Right. So, I wasn't sure if it's like

2849
01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:37,280
the clerk of the works where the

2850
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,760
applicant pays for someone that we pick

2851
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:41,040
or they pick the person

2852
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,880
>> they pick they'll hire a geotechnical

2853
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:49,990
engineer

2854
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,599
» and that's the same way when they did

2855
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:53,440
all the test pits for septic they hired

2856
01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,119
the geotechnical engineer and then we

2857
01:56:55,119 --> 01:56:56,800
get the information from that. So that's

2858
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:02,709
theirs their their personal

2859
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:04,320
prior to the start of construction the

2860
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,760
limit of work shall be established in

2861
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:08,320
the field and certified by the engineer

2862
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,480
survey of record applicants engineer

2863
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:12,320
shall demonstrate and or coordinate

2864
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,239
methods to ensure work stays within the

2865
01:57:14,239 --> 01:57:18,550
limit of work.

2866
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,159
Provide field verification that the

2867
01:57:20,159 --> 01:57:21,760
inverts of the proposed replacement

2868
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:24,800
sections of pipe sheet 32 or 57 will

2869
01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:26,639
match the existing inverts at the time

2870
01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:30,639
of construction. That's just a an

2871
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:34,480
asbuilt verify and field kind of thing.

2872
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,960
Earth removal in excess of 5,000 cubic

2873
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,040
yards is subject to an earth removal

2874
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,280
permit from the board of selectman. See

2875
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:43,599
September 3rd, 2025. Special permit

2876
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:45,840
decision decision item number 10, page

2877
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:49,280
five. So that's just

2878
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:52,320
reminding that because we do have this

2879
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:53,840
permit from the board of selectment

2880
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:54,480
required. Do

2881
01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,239
>> you still have a select board of select

2882
01:57:56,239 --> 01:57:58,639
not board?

2883
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:01,520
>> Um I think we say board of selectman.

2884
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,360
>> I don't think we haven't changed that.

2885
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,040
No, we haven't changed it. I know we

2886
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,719
haven't changed it before. Yeah.

2887
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:11,040
>> Prior to the issuance of building permit

2888
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:14,000
for any and all lots.

2889
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:25,669
Um,

2890
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:27,760
» do do we review the homeowners

2891
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,040
association?

2892
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,280
>> Don't we review this as well?

2893
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,280
>> 19.

2894
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:34,880
>> Where are you? Which?

2895
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:36,639
>> Prior to the issuance of building permit

2896
01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:38,880
for any and all lots. Prior to the

2897
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,480
issuance of a building permit, a

2898
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,480
homeowners association subject to review

2899
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:50,149
by town council. Is it

2900
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:52,480
» school that they

2901
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:56,000
>> So you're my question is should it just

2902
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:59,440
be town council or is it also us?

2903
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:00,639
>> We review it.

2904
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:02,080
>> Yes. So, okay. Can we

2905
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:03,360
>> So, you're saying

2906
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,040
>> says subject to review by town council

2907
01:59:07,040 --> 01:59:09,119
and the planning board.

2908
01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:12,239
>> Okay. Yep.

2909
01:59:12,239 --> 01:59:13,520
>> So,

2910
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:14,960
>> sorry. Number 19.

2911
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:17,199
>> Yeah. I've never had that happen before.

2912
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:19,920
So, I guess are you going to review it

2913
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:21,199
before I review it or you going to

2914
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,040
review it after I review it? Because

2915
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,159
>> after.

2916
01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:25,360
>> You're going to review it after. But

2917
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:26,239
what if there's

2918
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,080
>> No, we would review it first because

2919
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:28,880
we're reviewing it.

2920
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,719
>> It's like we're doing this, right? We're

2921
01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:33,440
reviewing it for making sure that

2922
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,000
everything we care about is captured in

2923
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,679
it. And then we would make those

2924
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:39,840
modifications if there aren't any. And

2925
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,560
then Amy will make sure they're legally

2926
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,159
>> accurate and defensible

2927
01:59:44,159 --> 01:59:46,639
>> because we were not going we're not

2928
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:48,400
going to stick our paws into any

2929
01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:50,880
document that Amy's okay because after

2930
01:59:50,880 --> 01:59:53,040
she's done with it, then that is the

2931
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,000
version and we shall not mess with it.

2932
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,840
So we do our messing ahead of that and

2933
01:59:57,840 --> 01:59:59,760
then she'll tell us whether we can make

2934
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:01,599
those changes that we wanted to.

2935
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:03,199
>> Yeah, that was my point. So subject to

2936
02:00:03,199 --> 02:00:04,960
review by the planning board and then

2937
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:06,159
town council.

2938
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:33,430
>> Sure.

2939
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:36,560
So, looking at the the working draft

2940
02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:40,080
there, um bullets that were numbered 22,

2941
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,639
21, 22, and 23, they've all been moved

2942
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:45,760
to instead of prior to the issuance of

2943
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:47,199
building permit, they've been moved to

2944
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:48,639
general condition. So, they aren't

2945
02:00:48,639 --> 02:01:00,229
struck, they're moved

2946
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:06,639
Then 20 is prior to the construction of the mail

2947
02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:08,560
kiosk and associated structure. The

2948
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:09,920
location shall be confirmed with the

2949
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,960
Essex branch of the post office and this

2950
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:14,880
confirmation be should be submitted to

2951
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,000
the planning board and building

2952
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,360
inspector. And there was another comment

2953
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,440
based on our last meeting that the bus

2954
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,760
stop will also be verified with um

2955
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:25,280
Manchester Essex Regional School

2956
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:30,629
District.

2957
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:34,880
And then we're on to other conditions.

2958
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,679
22.

2959
02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:39,440
All construction access shall be from

2960
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:42,159
Essex Park Road and emergency access to

2961
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:44,800
Turtleback Road shall not be used as an

2962
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,599
access during construction.

2963
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:50,000
Private drinking water wells are not and

2964
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,440
should not be planned as part of the

2965
02:01:51,440 --> 02:01:52,719
development without additional

2966
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:55,040
groundwater evaluation. And that's not

2967
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:56,560
the intent, but that's just to

2968
02:01:56,560 --> 02:01:58,800
memorialize that.

2969
02:01:58,800 --> 02:02:01,360
Other soil management.

2970
02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:04,000
Um, and this just addresses how soil is

2971
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,159
handled during the earthwork. Surplus

2972
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:07,920
soil that requires off-site transport

2973
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:09,679
and disposal, if any, is subject to

2974
02:02:09,679 --> 02:02:11,599
state and federal regulations for proper

2975
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:14,239
handling, which may include disposal

2976
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:17,440
characterization and soil profiling.

2977
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,599
The applicant may import soil to the

2978
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:22,880
site. Imported materials shall be

2979
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:24,719
managed in accordance with the ma

2980
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:26,800
applicable mass D soil handling

2981
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,400
requirements and other applicable

2982
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:31,520
federal, state, and local requirements.

2983
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,119
Soil analytical testing or

2984
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:34,719
certifications from suppliers of

2985
02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:36,639
non-impacted sources of imported

2986
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:38,320
material are to be provided during

2987
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:40,159
construction.

2988
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:42,400
Soil stockpiles, if any, should be noted

2989
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,159
on the storm water management plan

2990
02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:47,040
sheets and shall be managed in

2991
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:50,239
accordance with SWPP.

2992
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:53,040
The septic system area

2993
02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:56,080
as closest to the seven Essex Drive Road

2994
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:59,920
MC MCP site will require special care

2995
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:05,030
during soil handling.

2996
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,719
Construction phase dewatering may be

2997
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:08,480
required for some operations in some

2998
02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,159
areas near wetland areas and or

2999
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:12,480
low-lying areas. Dewatering fluids

3000
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:14,639
management plan shall be addressed as

3001
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:16,560
part of the storm water pollution

3002
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,320
prevention plan required under

3003
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:19,920
construction general permit and

3004
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,800
coordinated with the town's construction

3005
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:24,080
inspector.

3006
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,560
>> Could I just go back to D? Just I just

3007
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:27,920
have a question. Yep.

3008
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:30,960
>> Will require special care.

3009
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:35,199
What what does that mean?

3010
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:37,440
When do you break that down? Like what

3011
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:38,639
does that

3012
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:42,719
>> because it's I in handling soil if if

3013
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:45,679
they encounter any hazardous materials

3014
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,119
then they'll need to deal with it. Then

3015
02:03:47,119 --> 02:03:49,199
this is just acknowledging the fact that

3016
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:51,199
the abuing property has that

3017
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:53,679
contaminated area.

3018
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:55,360
>> Okay.

3019
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:57,520
I just didn't know if that was

3020
02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,520
>> this is a recommended depends on what

3021
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:00,960
they find. If they find something

3022
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:02,560
anything it depends on the concentration

3023
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:04,400
of it. So it's it's hard to really

3024
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:06,159
quantify it here. This is just noting

3025
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:08,560
that that's this this kind of thing is

3026
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,159
more also for our construction inspector

3027
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:11,760
to be aware of the fact that that exists

3028
02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:14,080
and when work's going on there that they

3029
02:04:14,080 --> 02:04:17,360
can pay attention to what you know how

3030
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:19,520
it's handled in that area.

3031
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,840
>> Did you want you could put will require

3032
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:24,719
special care in accordance with the MCP

3033
02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:26,880
during soil handling something like

3034
02:04:26,880 --> 02:04:29,520
that. The MCP the mass contingency plan

3035
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:30,320
>> right.

3036
02:04:30,320 --> 02:04:33,910
>> So

3037
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:35,199
I'm sorry. So, you're saying we'll

3038
02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:37,199
require special care during handling in

3039
02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:38,080
accordance with

3040
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:39,920
>> it's it's a there's a concern for

3041
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:41,040
contamination, right?

3042
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:41,679
>> Right.

3043
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:48,400
>> So, um special care in accordance with

3044
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:51,440
the Massachusetts contingency plan,

3045
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:52,719
>> which should be spelled out.

3046
02:04:52,719 --> 02:04:53,840
>> Yeah. Because we're not going to use it

3047
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:57,679
any other time. So, um mass contingency

3048
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:00,480
plan during soil handling and that that

3049
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:06,709
will cover it.

3050
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:09,840
I guess I I guess the word special just

3051
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:13,760
seems so wrong there. Like it could it

3052
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,560
be restricted or like will require

3053
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:20,159
restrict or specific or special just

3054
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:22,400
seems I don't know if that's regular

3055
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:23,360
language but

3056
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:26,000
>> change it to specific.

3057
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:36,070
That's fine.

3058
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,239
So specific instead of special

3059
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:40,320
>> will require specific care in accordance

3060
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:42,320
with the mass contingency plan during

3061
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:43,679
soil handling.

3062
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:51,510
>> Okay.

3063
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,520
So that will read the septic system area

3064
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:56,639
as closest to the seven Essex drive road

3065
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:00,239
M Massachusetts MCP site which is going

3066
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:01,840
to be defined as the Massachusetts

3067
02:06:01,840 --> 02:06:04,000
contingency plan spelled out there will

3068
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,239
require specific care in accordance with

3069
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:09,280
the MCP during soil handling.

3070
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:11,840
>> Thank you.

3071
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:13,840
>> Construction phase. Oh, we did that one.

3072
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:15,760
The planning board hereby reserves the

3073
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,239
right to serve notice on applicant of a

3074
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,000
cease and desist work order on all

3075
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:21,920
roadway and or utility construction

3076
02:06:21,920 --> 02:06:23,679
should a violation of the endorsement,

3077
02:06:23,679 --> 02:06:26,480
the approval, the conditions or the

3078
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,480
restrictions be found to exist. Such

3079
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,639
cease and desist work order may be

3080
02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:32,480
issued by the planning board and or the

3081
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:36,079
building in building department and when

3082
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:37,920
served in writing directing itself to

3083
02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,079
the violation occurring shall act to

3084
02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:42,079
prohibit any and all work on the areas

3085
02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:45,840
as mentioned in such order

3086
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,440
within 5 days of the transfer of

3087
02:06:47,440 --> 02:06:49,280
ownership of the subdivision in whole or

3088
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,119
in part. The developer shall notify the

3089
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:52,480
planning board of the name and address

3090
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:54,719
of the new owners. The developer shall

3091
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:56,320
provide the new owner with a copy of

3092
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:58,639
these conditions.

3093
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:00,480
Prior to the release of the performance

3094
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:02,400
security held for this project, the

3095
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:03,760
board must determine that the

3096
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,440
construction or installation has been

3097
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:06,880
completed in accordance with the

3098
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:09,599
approved plan and decision. Upon such

3099
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:11,199
determination, it shall release the

3100
02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:14,320
interest of the town on the bond deposit

3101
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,320
or covenant and return the bond or

3102
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,480
deposit to the person who furnished it

3103
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:22,880
or issue a release of covenant in form

3104
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:26,320
for in a form for recording.

3105
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,040
So I'm looking at you, Amy.

3106
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,960
>> Sure. So that's because under under

3107
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:32,159
>> No, I mean is that all legit?

3108
02:07:32,159 --> 02:07:34,400
>> It's all legit because under 41 section

3109
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,560
81U, the developer has the option to

3110
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:38,239
either do a bond, a deposit, or a

3111
02:07:38,239 --> 02:07:40,159
covenant. So that's why if they do a

3112
02:07:40,159 --> 02:07:41,760
bond, the bond gets

3113
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:44,400
>> the amount gets t taken down

3114
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:45,199
>> as it goes,

3115
02:07:45,199 --> 02:07:45,599
>> right?

3116
02:07:45,599 --> 02:07:47,040
>> So that's what that's for.

3117
02:07:47,040 --> 02:07:48,560
>> Okay.

3118
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:51,280
>> Can we also ask our third party

3119
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:53,920
consultant to review it? I mean, how are

3120
02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:56,320
we going to know if it's done?

3121
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,239
>> That's what our construction inspector

3122
02:07:58,239 --> 02:07:59,199
>> Oh, sorry. I got

3123
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:00,960
>> by the board. That's That's what you

3124
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:02,639
guys will send it out to your

3125
02:08:02,639 --> 02:08:04,320
>> We decide, but our construction

3126
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:05,920
inspector is the one who tells us how

3127
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:06,800
much has been done.

3128
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:07,119
>> Correct.

3129
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:07,840
>> Okay.

3130
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:08,800
>> So, we don't have to say.

3131
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,599
>> Will this bond also

3132
02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:13,440
will or will there be a bond that goes

3133
02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:16,239
after construction's final but for 18

3134
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:17,199
months or so?

3135
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:18,800
>> No.

3136
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:19,440
>> That's going to be

3137
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:20,880
>> No. As soon as it's final and it's

3138
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,560
signed off on, they get their they get

3139
02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:24,079
whatever's left.

3140
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:26,239
>> So, do we want a bond to assure that

3141
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,159
road doesn't just fall apart in 18

3142
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:28,719
months or

3143
02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:30,800
>> Unfortunately, there's no statutory

3144
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:34,239
provision to provide to require that.

3145
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:34,880
>> Okay.

3146
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:39,440
>> Yeah. The bond is to cover construction.

3147
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:41,040
>> Do we have in here that this is always

3148
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:42,320
going to remain private?

3149
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:42,719
>> Yes.

3150
02:08:42,719 --> 02:08:45,360
So, that would be on that would be

3151
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:46,159
on them.

3152
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:47,599
>> Okay.

3153
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:50,480
And this this order this um decision has

3154
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,079
to be given to each homeowner.

3155
02:08:52,079 --> 02:08:52,400
>> Yeah.

3156
02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:53,679
>> So they will then know that it's going

3157
02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:54,719
to be a private road and they're going

3158
02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:57,119
to be responsible for it.

3159
02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:04,629
>> Yeah. That's down here on 31.

3160
02:09:04,639 --> 02:09:07,920
» Site maintenance and control. It should

3161
02:09:07,920 --> 02:09:11,199
be control of work.

3162
02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:13,280
Site m site maintenance and control of

3163
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:15,440
work during construction. Construction

3164
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:16,800
equipment and materials should not be

3165
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,400
parked, stored, or placed in any area

3166
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:21,199
directly adjacent to or upgradient of

3167
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:23,119
any drainage channel or wetland area,

3168
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:25,840
nor any culde-sac island. Repairs and

3169
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:27,119
maintenance to equipment shall be

3170
02:09:27,119 --> 02:09:28,800
conducted in areas where no spills or

3171
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:30,880
leakage of fuels or other fluids could

3172
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,360
pose a pollution hazard.

3173
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:37,119
>> And we also say nor on Turtleback Road

3174
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:38,639
>> that there's no construction access

3175
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:41,760
there, so they can't can't Essex Park.

3176
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:45,280
It's Essex Park, right? Road.

3177
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:46,880
>> Do we want to say there's no storage or

3178
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:48,800
materials or equipment on that road?

3179
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,719
Parking on that road to convenience the

3180
02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:53,520
neighbors or do we not? Just ask

3181
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:55,520
>> and and we say there's no access on

3182
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:57,119
Turtle Back Road. But

3183
02:09:57,119 --> 02:09:58,960
>> that's not their we already said that

3184
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,880
about no construction.

3185
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:03,040
>> But that's different than storage of

3186
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:05,360
>> but Essex Park Road is town property. So

3187
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:07,440
they can't just store stuff there.

3188
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:09,280
>> Yeah. Correct.

3189
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:10,560
But they can park there, right?

3190
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:10,960
>> Huh?

3191
02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:11,840
>> They can park.

3192
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:18,149
>> No.

3193
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:20,880
» How do we know? No.

3194
02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:21,360
>> Yeah.

3195
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:24,719
>> But you have bylaws wouldn't allow the

3196
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:26,960
police would ask them to be towed or

3197
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:32,950
remove them from our public way.

3198
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:34,960
» I didn't catch that, Val. Sorry. the

3199
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:36,239
police are

3200
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:39,040
>> normally all cities and towns have rules

3201
02:10:39,040 --> 02:10:41,920
that govern that you can't um if you

3202
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:44,800
have no parking on public way the police

3203
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:49,189
can have them towed.

3204
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:51,040
» So the police would control that and we

3205
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,840
wouldn't need to put it in here.

3206
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:56,000
>> Can neighbors park there? Can neighbors

3207
02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:57,599
park there

3208
02:10:57,599 --> 02:11:00,159
>> on Essex Park Road on the when people

3209
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:00,480
visit?

3210
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:02,719
>> I don't know. Whatever standards apply

3211
02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:05,599
to Essex Park Road now would continue to

3212
02:11:05,599 --> 02:11:07,840
apply. And I don't think it's in our

3213
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:10,000
purview in this decision to talk about

3214
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:11,920
what can and can't happen on Essex Park

3215
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:15,119
Road. I'm just saying because that's

3216
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:18,159
there's some parking regulation that's

3217
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:19,599
in effect now and I don't know what it

3218
02:11:19,599 --> 02:11:21,119
is, but that would continue to be in

3219
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:21,920
effect

3220
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:23,760
>> and that's a police matter.

3221
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:25,840
>> Yeah. Okay. Do you want to do you want

3222
02:11:25,840 --> 02:11:28,159
to just maybe change it to say under a

3223
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:30,400
construction equipment andor materials

3224
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,560
shall

3225
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,159
be parked shall be parked and stored on

3226
02:11:36,159 --> 02:11:40,800
site shall be parked and stored

3227
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:43,199
on site only

3228
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:47,840
and then say and shall not be

3229
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:49,520
and then keep going on with parked

3230
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:52,639
stored placed in any area directly blah blah blah blah. So you're just

3231
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:54,639
adding shall be parked and stored on

3232
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:55,840
site only. Correct.

3233
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:58,880
>> And shall not be Yeah, that's fine. That

3234
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,560
covers that.

3235
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:04,000
>> That covers everybody.

3236
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:05,760
>> Turtle back in Essex Park

3237
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:08,719
>> just has to be on site. Yep.

3238
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:10,560
>> Earth disturbed by activities associated

3239
02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:12,239
with the roadway or easement such as

3240
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:15,199
tree cutting, stump grubbing, cutting,

3241
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:16,960
filling, and regrading shall be

3242
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:19,520
appropriately stabilized in accordance

3243
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,950
with SWPP.

3244
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,639
We're going to spell that out.

3245
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:25,360
>> I'm sorry.

3246
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:26,480
>> It's already spelled out.

3247
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:27,599
>> She wanted to spell it out, but it's

3248
02:12:27,599 --> 02:12:28,079
already

3249
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:30,400
>> That's We've already That's was spelled

3250
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:31,199
out

3251
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:31,920
>> earlier.

3252
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:34,159
>> Yep.

3253
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:35,520
>> Um

3254
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:44,709
>> page before

3255
02:12:44,719 --> 02:12:47,990
page.

3256
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,920
Sorry, I didn't turn the page. I'm

3257
02:12:49,920 --> 02:12:52,239
getting confused. I'm like, what? We

3258
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:54,719
talked about that already.

3259
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:58,159
Oh, look. Last page.

3260
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:09,270
Um,

3261
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:13,199
so items there C that was crossed out

3262
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:17,199
and D was crossed out were rewritten

3263
02:13:17,199 --> 02:13:19,280
together to say all earthwork, soil

3264
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:21,280
stockpiling, erosion control, and site

3265
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,159
matements shall be addressed in the SWPP

3266
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:25,760
and work shall be coordinated with the

3267
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:30,950
town's construction inspector.

3268
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:32,560
that really just combined the

3269
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:36,719
information in those and in F. So those

3270
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,880
three that are um crossed out are

3271
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:44,629
covered by the SWPP.

3272
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:47,360
The location of earth material stockpile

3273
02:13:47,360 --> 02:13:49,040
should be designated on a plan which

3274
02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:50,320
should be submitted to the town's

3275
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:52,880
representative. said location to to be

3276
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:55,199
determined by the developer and the town

3277
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:58,000
in accordance with local regulations.

3278
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:00,400
>> So is the town representative the town

3279
02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:03,920
in construction inspector?

3280
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:05,520
>> I mean

3281
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:07,679
>> if it is then we should keep that word

3282
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:10,000
>> but yeah we'll keep that same reference.

3283
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:28,870
>> Okay.

3284
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,040
Burial or burning of vegetation, stumps,

3285
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,400
or construction debris is strictly

3286
02:14:32,400 --> 02:14:33,760
prohibited anywhere within the

3287
02:14:33,760 --> 02:14:35,599
subdivision. Such materials should be

3288
02:14:35,599 --> 02:14:37,280
removed and properly disposed of

3289
02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:40,000
offsite.

3290
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,480
Any

3291
02:14:42,480 --> 02:14:44,400
blasting operation shall obtain proper

3292
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:46,159
permits and should not be undertaken on

3293
02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:48,639
any Sunday or holiday.

3294
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:53,679
Should that also um have specific times

3295
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:55,440
>> like

3296
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:56,000
>> Yeah.

3297
02:14:56,000 --> 02:15:00,480
>> 7 to 5? I mean, you know, like not in

3298
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,239
the middle of the I mean, I just think

3299
02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:03,199
you should have

3300
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:04,719
>> standard times for

3301
02:15:04,719 --> 02:15:06,239
>> no

3302
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:07,199
>> never

3303
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:08,960
>> uh you don't have standard times for

3304
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:10,560
construction and bylaw. So, you can put

3305
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:11,199
it

3306
02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:12,560
>> under the police might have something

3307
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:13,280
but I don't know.

3308
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:15,280
>> Okay.

3309
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:17,599
Um holiday

3310
02:15:17,599 --> 02:15:19,440
>> should say legal holidays.

3311
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:20,079
>> Okay.

3312
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:22,480
>> On any Sunday. Yeah. On any Sunday or

3313
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:23,440
legal holiday.

3314
02:15:23,440 --> 02:15:24,480
>> Or legal holiday.

3315
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:25,920
>> I don't know. What's a legal holiday?

3316
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:26,639
Federal or

3317
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:27,920
>> so. Not on your birthday.

3318
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:29,840
>> Yeah. I can uh list them if you want me

3319
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:30,560
to.

3320
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:32,639
>> I think I should because I get that call

3321
02:15:32,639 --> 02:15:34,639
constantly. Somebody don't want work

3322
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:36,400
going on on Veterans Day when everybody

3323
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:37,440
else in the world is working.

3324
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:39,199
>> So it's it's essentially

3325
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:40,159
>> I think it should be included.

3326
02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:41,280
>> It's essentially federal.

3327
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:41,760
>> Federal.

3328
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:43,599
>> Okay. because it's like it doesn't

3329
02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:45,199
include um

3330
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:47,040
>> Patriots Day

3331
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:48,000
>> um things like that.

3332
02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,480
>> So that's that should be maybe we could

3333
02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:51,760
attach a list that can be attached to

3334
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:52,000
it.

3335
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:53,920
>> I can we can just put them in. I can I

3336
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:54,960
can send them over.

3337
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:55,679
>> That'd be perfect.

3338
02:15:55,679 --> 02:15:57,280
>> I keep sending myself emails. I'm going

3339
02:15:57,280 --> 02:15:58,560
to have I'm going to wake up to 10

3340
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:01,199
million emails for myself.

3341
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:02,800
>> If I don't, I forget. So

3342
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,239
>> just be careful what you say about that

3343
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:05,440
person sending emails.

3344
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:07,360
>> I know, right?

3345
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,280
>> I keep forwarding the same email, adding

3346
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:11,760
to it.

3347
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:14,800
Yeah. Who's this crazy person?

3348
02:16:14,800 --> 02:16:16,960
>> Um, any blasting operation shall obtain

3349
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:18,400
proper pay perance and should not be

3350
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:22,000
taken on any Sunday or legal holiday nor

3351
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:25,840
outside of an 8:00 a.m. to 400 p.m.

3352
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:27,280
window?

3353
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:27,840
>> Yeah.

3354
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:29,760
But we can't do that, can we?

3355
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:30,320
>> Huh?

3356
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:32,559
>> Yeah. For blasting you can. Yeah, sure.

3357
02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:33,120
Blasting.

3358
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:34,719
>> Yeah, that's very reasonable.

3359
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:36,000
>> But you can't for we can't for

3360
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:36,960
construction, right?

3361
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:39,040
>> Not if you don't have something.

3362
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,800
>> We don't have it already. But blessing

3363
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,080
is

3364
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:43,359
>> if the police have

3365
02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:45,120
>> the police have it then they can. But

3366
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:46,160
>> can we check with that?

3367
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:47,439
>> The only reason why you would have it is

3368
02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:48,880
if you had a noise by

3369
02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:49,760
>> a noise. That's

3370
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,200
>> we don't have it. We have no noise

3371
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:51,760
ordinance.

3372
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:53,280
>> Police has no noise.

3373
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:57,920
>> We have nothing. This is Essex.

3374
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:02,469
>> Pretend like they do.

3375
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:03,439
your kids.

3376
02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:05,200
>> No construction equipment or materials

3377
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,040
may be parked, stored, or placed within

3378
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:09,760
the drainage easement as shown on the

3379
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:11,599
plan except as may be required to

3380
02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:16,150
install the detention basin.

3381
02:17:16,160 --> 02:17:19,280
» Placed within

3382
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:20,800
sorry.

3383
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,479
>> Once paved, the street shall be kept

3384
02:17:22,479 --> 02:17:24,240
clear and passable at all times. No

3385
02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:25,679
equipment shall be parked in such a

3386
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:26,960
manner as to render the street

3387
02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:28,639
impassible.

3388
02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:30,639
and no refues, containers, trailers, or

3389
02:17:30,639 --> 02:17:32,080
construction materials of any kind

3390
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:33,840
should be placed or stored on the street

3391
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:37,120
nor within the culde-sac island.

3392
02:17:37,120 --> 02:17:38,880
Construction activities on individual

3393
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:40,880
lot should be conducted in a workmanlike

3394
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:42,960
manner at all times. Blowing duster

3395
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:44,399
debris should be controlled by the

3396
02:17:44,399 --> 02:17:46,559
developer of lots through stabilization,

3397
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:48,160
wetting down, or other proper storage

3398
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:50,160
and disposal methods.

3399
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:52,479
Isn't there

3400
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:55,359
clear guidelines in the building code

3401
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:58,639
for dust and things like that? I mean,

3402
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:02,960
what does work workmanlike manner

3403
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:03,519
mean?

3404
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:06,080
>> Clear definitions. No,

3405
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,960
>> but there are terms and there are we

3406
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:11,679
there are regulations we can go to to

3407
02:18:11,679 --> 02:18:13,439
control stuff and it's a problem.

3408
02:18:13,439 --> 02:18:14,559
>> So, can we just

3409
02:18:14,559 --> 02:18:16,080
>> if you feel like this is adequate,

3410
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,160
that's fine with me.

3411
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:19,920
It it covers us for to be able to

3412
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:22,479
>> go look for we've included dust dust

3413
02:18:22,479 --> 02:18:24,479
control in the storm water pollution

3414
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,880
prevention plan. So that that whole plan

3415
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,519
is part of just maintaining the site,

3416
02:18:29,519 --> 02:18:31,359
>> right? But this is specifically that's

3417
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:33,359
for the roads, isn't it? And then once

3418
02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:35,760
we get into individual lots, that's a

3419
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:37,760
different construction. But I it's fine

3420
02:18:37,760 --> 02:18:39,760
if Bill feels like this is

3421
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:41,280
>> things when it becomes a problem. The

3422
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:43,760
things we can use to control that.

3423
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:44,319
>> Great.

3424
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:47,439
>> My one question though was unpaved

3425
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:47,840
Yes.

3426
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:49,359
>> What paved is that?

3427
02:18:49,359 --> 02:18:49,920
>> Yes.

3428
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,519
>> That final paving or is that rough pave?

3429
02:18:53,519 --> 02:18:56,719
>> Where it says just once paved like

3430
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:58,399
>> I would say that means binder.

3431
02:18:58,399 --> 02:18:59,200
>> Yeah.

3432
02:18:59,200 --> 02:18:59,679
>> Binder.

3433
02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:02,240
>> I agree. It's binder.

3434
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:04,080
>> Okay.

3435
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:05,840
>> I'm sorry about final or

3436
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:06,639
>> she agreed.

3437
02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:07,280
>> Binder.

3438
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:08,880
>> That's binder.

3439
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:12,080
But I would I would say because once it

3440
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:13,920
once the binder is down the road, it's

3441
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:15,679
passable and that's when you want to

3442
02:19:15,679 --> 02:19:16,960
keep it clear because I want to make

3443
02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:17,760
sure

3444
02:19:17,760 --> 02:19:20,479
>> because of safety equipment just when

3445
02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:22,000
there's construction work going on,

3446
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,679
ambulances need to be able to get down

3447
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:26,160
there. So once there's binder down, I

3448
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:28,080
think this applies.

3449
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,479
>> So binder is the same.

3450
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:32,639
>> Binder is the first coat you put down.

3451
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:34,240
Should

3452
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,719
are we going to put on one's binder or

3453
02:19:36,719 --> 02:19:38,479
>> then add binder onto this? Right.

3454
02:19:38,479 --> 02:19:40,000
>> Once paved with binder.

3455
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,840
>> Oh, with binder. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

3456
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,280
>> Yeah. So, when that first layer goes

3457
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:44,319
down then

3458
02:19:44,319 --> 02:19:50,389
>> Okay.

3459
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:53,520
Down to 30 final signage. This came from

3460
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:55,600
earlier. We removed it out of prior to

3461
02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,560
endorsement or prior to constru prior to

3462
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:00,800
we took it out of prior to endorsement.

3463
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:02,560
Final signage plans and details should

3464
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:05,120
be shown on the construction plans. So,

3465
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:07,359
we'll still see those, but not prior to

3466
02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:09,760
endorsement.

3467
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:11,680
The roadways shall forever remain

3468
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:13,439
private, which will be clearly noted on

3469
02:20:13,439 --> 02:20:15,600
the subdivision plans as well as on each

3470
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:17,680
individual deed. However, there shall be

3471
02:20:17,680 --> 02:20:19,920
a conveyance of the right for public

3472
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:21,600
travel on the roadway in order to access

3473
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:23,680
the open space for recreational purposes

3474
02:20:23,680 --> 02:20:25,920
and open space and water main

3475
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:31,429
maintenance purposes.

3476
02:20:31,439 --> 02:20:33,840
And this these were the reason they're

3477
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,359
green highlighted is because they were

3478
02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:38,080
moved from other conditions. Well, they

3479
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,640
were moved into other conditions from

3480
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:43,200
another section that was earlier where

3481
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:46,800
they were struck in struck out

3482
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:48,399
that that was in the prior to the

3483
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:49,920
building permit section. So, they just

3484
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:53,439
got moved but not changed.

3485
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:56,000
The OSRD subdivision will comply with

3486
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:57,439
all Department of Public Works

3487
02:20:57,439 --> 02:20:59,200
requirements with respect to water flow

3488
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:00,960
and pressure. The alignment of the water

3489
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:02,479
line may be allowed to cross through the

3490
02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:07,349
open space shown on the OSRD plan.

3491
02:21:07,359 --> 02:21:09,359
33 is prior to the issuance of a

3492
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:10,800
building permit, the open space

3493
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:12,240
maintenance and ownership shall be

3494
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,000
established consistent with bylaw

3495
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,640
section 6-8.9.6.

3496
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:20,000
So that is our caveat there regarding

3497
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:22,479
the open space which isn't going to be

3498
02:21:22,479 --> 02:21:24,640
decided now but is a condition here it

3499
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,399
needs to be determined.

3500
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,640
>> So why isn't that under prior to the

3501
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:32,080
issuance of a building permit

3502
02:21:32,080 --> 02:21:33,840
>> section?

3503
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:37,280
Why did it get down?

3504
02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:39,520
>> Did it just get lost got got hung up to

3505
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:40,479
dry?

3506
02:21:40,479 --> 02:21:42,319
>> Yeah. So we'll move that over to prior

3507
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:44,080
to issuance of a building permit.

3508
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:54,950
>> Yeah. Okay.

3509
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:57,280
Public access to open space. The

3510
02:21:57,280 --> 02:21:59,200
definitive subdivision plan prepared by

3511
02:21:59,200 --> 02:22:01,120
the applicant includes six parking

3512
02:22:01,120 --> 02:22:03,840
spaces at the end of road A, access

3513
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:05,840
before the gate at the end of the

3514
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:08,080
emergency access road and contiguous to

3515
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,960
the gas line easement. C proposed

3516
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:14,160
parking easement on sheet 27, proposed

3517
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:17,439
open space parking six and proposed

3518
02:22:17,439 --> 02:22:20,880
trail map kiosk on sheet 32. These

3519
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:23,200
parking spots shall be for the exclusive

3520
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:25,359
use of any persons accessing the open

3521
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:27,280
space portions of the property at the

3522
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:30,560
gas line easement and from there the

3523
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:32,800
informal but established trail network

3524
02:22:32,800 --> 02:22:34,479
shown on the existing conditions

3525
02:22:34,479 --> 02:22:37,840
drawings sheets 3 through 13. On street

3526
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:40,240
parking shall not be used for accessing

3527
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:43,359
the open space. Pedestrians may traverse

3528
02:22:43,359 --> 02:22:45,840
the subdivision roads to access the open

3529
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:48,800
space and or may do so through other

3530
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:50,960
accessible points of entry from abuing

3531
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:53,520
roads and/or properties as allowed

3532
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:55,280
thereon.

3533
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:57,200
This condition is made based on the

3534
02:22:57,200 --> 02:22:59,200
offer by the applicant during the public

3535
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:01,280
hearing process to provide public access

3536
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:02,960
to the open space and the planning

3537
02:23:02,960 --> 02:23:05,040
board's agreement to include it as a

3538
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:07,600
condition of approval.

3539
02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,240
And that um has captured the intent of

3540
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:12,240
the conversation that I had with the

3541
02:23:12,240 --> 02:23:14,399
applicant regarding we we had gotten

3542
02:23:14,399 --> 02:23:15,840
their email after one of our last

3543
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:17,439
meetings that said the intent had always

3544
02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:20,800
been to and so this went over to try and

3545
02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,439
just memorialize that intent that those

3546
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:26,479
parking spots are for the public um and

3547
02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:28,479
public has the right away to access the

3548
02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:32,640
spots. So and then I think everyone was

3549
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:33,680
okay with it.

3550
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:34,800
>> Amy's nodding her head.

3551
02:23:34,800 --> 02:23:37,280
>> I'm okay with it.

3552
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,680
35. Expiration work must begin and

3553
02:23:39,680 --> 02:23:41,520
continue within two years from the

3554
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,840
issuance of this decision.

3555
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:46,880
>> I have a change there if I may.

3556
02:23:46,880 --> 02:23:48,399
>> What's it?

3557
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:50,399
>> Val has a change.

3558
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:51,840
>> Okay.

3559
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:54,240
>> Um the issuance of the decision could be

3560
02:23:54,240 --> 02:23:57,439
appealed and I think that this is should

3561
02:23:57,439 --> 02:24:01,120
be um maybe uh from the date of plan

3562
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:02,479
endorsement or

3563
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:04,240
>> Yeah, from the date of plan endorsement.

3564
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:05,439
Does that make sense? Because if there's

3565
02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:09,920
an appeal, that's just burning time.

3566
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,760
>> So, we're change to the date of

3567
02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:13,200
endorsement.

3568
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:14,720
>> Yeah. The other place this could go

3569
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:19,830
would be in the covenant. Um

3570
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:22,240
» we could also in both places, correct?

3571
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:23,280
>> Yes.

3572
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:23,520
>> Y

3573
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:24,720
>> that's a good idea.

3574
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:28,160
>> Also, um explain continue.

3575
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:28,960
>> What's that?

3576
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:31,120
>> Continue. The work must begin and

3577
02:24:31,120 --> 02:24:34,080
continue. Always a question when be

3578
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,479
stopped for so long. How long is

3579
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:37,439
acceptable?

3580
02:24:37,439 --> 02:24:40,240
>> What do you think? 30 days, 60 days, 120

3581
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:40,720
days?

3582
02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:42,399
>> Say six months.

3583
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:42,960
>> What's that?

3584
02:24:42,960 --> 02:24:45,760
>> That's 120, right?

3585
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:46,800
>> That's why I say six months.

3586
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:47,680
>> I'm not good at math.

3587
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:49,040
>> Yeah. Okay. So, let's do six months. So,

3588
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:50,080
>> six months. That's what the building

3589
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:51,280
code does with

3590
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:53,120
>> and

3591
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:56,720
uh continue

3592
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:58,720
>> any stoppage for over six months.

3593
02:24:58,720 --> 02:25:01,760
>> Yeah. Without stoppage.

3594
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,319
Over six. Without stoppage over six

3595
02:25:04,319 --> 02:25:04,960
months.

3596
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,560
>> Yeah.

3597
02:25:06,560 --> 02:25:07,040
>> Okay.

3598
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:08,479
>> Without any stoppage

3599
02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:10,240
>> over six months. Sending myself another

3600
02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:12,720
email here.

3601
02:25:12,720 --> 02:25:15,120
>> Without any without stoppage that

3602
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:16,720
extends six months.

3603
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:17,760
>> Yeah.

3604
02:25:17,760 --> 02:25:20,479
There you go.

3605
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,080
>> What was that?

3606
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:24,319
>> Without stoppage that extends over six

3607
02:25:24,319 --> 02:25:32,950
months.

3608
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:34,560
That was good. Okay. So, that's going to

3609
02:25:34,560 --> 02:25:36,880
read expiration work must begin and

3610
02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:40,230
continue

3611
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:44,240
without any stoppage that extends over 6

3612
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:46,240
months

3613
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,640
within two years from the date of

3614
02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:54,230
endorsement.

3615
02:25:54,240 --> 02:25:56,560
How about I don't mean to be a problem.

3616
02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:00,880
How about work must begin

3617
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:03,439
within two years from the date of plan

3618
02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:05,760
endorsement and must

3619
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:08,960
continue without stoppage

3620
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:11,840
for over 6 months

3621
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:13,840
>> without any stoppage that extends over

3622
02:26:13,840 --> 02:26:14,399
six months.

3623
02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:15,760
>> Yeah. I mean we can work on

3624
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:18,800
>> a stoppage of six months any a stoppage

3625
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:22,160
longer than six months qualifies as

3626
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:27,680
expiration after two years. Yes, we can work on this. But that's the

3627
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:29,920
>> that's the gist of it is it has to go

3628
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:33,120
continuously for two continuously and it

3629
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:34,399
can't stop for over six months.

3630
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:36,160
>> Right. It has to start within two years

3631
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:37,840
and can't stop for

3632
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:38,800
>> more than six months.

3633
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:40,000
Yeah.

3634
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:40,960
>> So that's that's what we're trying to

3635
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,560
get at. Yeah. We'll work on that.

3636
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:42,800
>> Okay.

3637
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:44,479
>> I've got it here. Okay.

3638
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:49,910
>> My other comment is substantial change.

3639
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:54,080
» Who determines substantial change? Where are you talking about substantial

3640
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:55,840
change in here at all?

3641
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:57,680
>> Oh, that's that's in the statute under

3642
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:58,880
81W.

3643
02:26:58,880 --> 02:27:01,040
>> So, they come in with a small little

3644
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:03,439
change. Everything that's planning book,

3645
02:27:03,439 --> 02:27:05,520
>> uh, it has to be it has to be a plan

3646
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:08,880
change like a significant. So, um,

3647
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:10,800
>> right. So, usually in the past

3648
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,960
decisions, they put in that the building

3649
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:14,240
inspector determines what's a

3650
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:16,399
substantial change.

3651
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,479
So that minor little changes that don't

3652
02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:20,160
really affect a whole lot don't have to

3653
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,640
come back to the board.

3654
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:24,960
>> Well, like a lot line adjustment has to

3655
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:26,399
come to the planning board.

3656
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:28,479
>> That wouldn't be a minor change.

3657
02:27:28,479 --> 02:27:30,080
>> That would be an ANR plan,

3658
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:30,479
>> right?

3659
02:27:30,479 --> 02:27:31,200
>> Yeah.

3660
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:31,920
>> Yep.

3661
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,280
>> Oh, I'm talking just like construction

3662
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:35,359
when things come out and happen. I can't

3663
02:27:35,359 --> 02:27:36,399
think of anything off the top of my

3664
02:27:36,399 --> 02:27:37,520
head, but something that wouldn't be

3665
02:27:37,520 --> 02:27:39,760
considered a major change, but it does

3666
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:41,520
change the plans.

3667
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:43,439
I would say if it doesn't change the

3668
02:27:43,439 --> 02:27:45,520
conditions,

3669
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:47,120
>> if it doesn't change anything in this

3670
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:49,760
decision, whether it be the findings,

3671
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:53,280
the waiverss, or the conditions,

3672
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:56,319
um, but it's a small change on the plan,

3673
02:27:56,319 --> 02:27:57,840
then,

3674
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:00,720
for example, if they're going to,

3675
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:02,160
let's say they're going to change a

3676
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:04,640
corner of a of a drainage basin, but the

3677
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:08,319
drainage basin will still um comply with

3678
02:28:08,319 --> 02:28:10,000
the storm water,

3679
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:11,600
>> then

3680
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,600
that change can happen on that that

3681
02:28:13,600 --> 02:28:13,920
could happen,

3682
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:15,760
>> right? I think I'm getting more towards

3683
02:28:15,760 --> 02:28:17,520
somebody's got to make that decision and

3684
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:19,040
I think it should just state that the

3685
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:20,880
build inspector should be making that

3686
02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:22,960
decision whether something has to come.

3687
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:24,720
>> So you want a condition here that says

3688
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:26,560
the building inspector is in charge of

3689
02:28:26,560 --> 02:28:31,270
everything that happens.

3690
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:34,399
» I tried to put that beginning, didn't I?

3691
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:36,399
>> You told me that earlier.

3692
02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:38,319
>> I told you. Let's put it in at the

3693
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:41,359
beginning. I'm just saying who makes a

3694
02:28:41,359 --> 02:28:41,600
decision.

3695
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:47,120
>> I often make that call by talking when I'm doing the planning board work

3696
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:49,520
in my communities. Any change, I usually

3697
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,120
will run past at least the planning

3698
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,359
board chairman to make sure that they

3699
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:55,439
agree that it's a minor change.

3700
02:28:55,439 --> 02:28:56,960
>> I think it's like a

3701
02:28:56,960 --> 02:28:58,240
>> Well, that's fine. I'm not saying I

3702
02:28:58,240 --> 02:28:59,840
wouldn't do any of that. I just think we

3703
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,720
need to say who either the somebody has

3704
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:04,560
to make the original decision when they

3705
02:29:04,560 --> 02:29:07,520
say we're changing this and who is that

3706
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:09,200
person. I just think that it should stay

3707
02:29:09,200 --> 02:29:11,760
in here that person is

3708
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:13,040
>> should it be the planning board's

3709
02:29:13,040 --> 02:29:14,399
representative or should it be the

3710
02:29:14,399 --> 02:29:16,160
building commissioner? It's

3711
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:16,960
>> I suggest

3712
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:18,960
>> and every time I've been involved in

3713
02:29:18,960 --> 02:29:20,080
them before it's been the building

3714
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:22,080
commissioner a lot actually it was the

3715
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:26,000
building commissioner and the planning director because I was planning

3716
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:27,040
director

3717
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:27,520
>> right

3718
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,439
>> but

3719
02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:31,040
without saying anything here so that

3720
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,960
means every time the minor change comes

3721
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:37,120
up they need to move a basin 6 in it's

3722
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:38,640
got to come back to the plum board for

3723
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:41,040
their approval I don't think board wants

3724
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:42,960
to be coming here to make that decision

3725
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:44,080
on everyone

3726
02:29:44,080 --> 02:29:46,160
>> that's want to Wait two weeks till we

3727
02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:46,720
meet again.

3728
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:48,960
>> Wait two weeks to find it either. Right.

3729
02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:50,479
So I'm just saying who is going to make

3730
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,000
that decision.

3731
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,080
>> You are so

3732
02:29:54,080 --> 02:29:57,120
>> I just need to say something.

3733
02:29:57,120 --> 02:29:58,720
>> I think you could say something like I I

3734
02:29:58,720 --> 02:29:59,920
can come up with something something

3735
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:02,880
like minor changes that do not impact

3736
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:05,760
the um this decision shall be made by

3737
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:06,880
the building department.

3738
02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:08,319
>> Perfect.

3739
02:30:08,319 --> 02:30:09,760
>> Just somewhere where we know where to

3740
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:10,640
stop.

3741
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:11,920
>> Yeah.

3742
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:12,880
>> Minor changes.

3743
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:16,319
>> Minor plan changes. Minor plan changes

3744
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:19,840
>> that do not

3745
02:30:19,840 --> 02:30:25,830
impact this decision

3746
02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:30,630
» or the or the recorded plans.

3747
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:34,000
» Well, moving a drainage basin 6 in does

3748
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:36,399
affect the recorded plans, but you're

3749
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:38,800
going to get an asbuilt plan at the end

3750
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:49,670
that tells you where everything is.

3751
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:52,399
Are you going to read that back to us?

3752
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:54,560
I have minor plan changes that do not

3753
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:56,399
impact this decision shall be made by

3754
02:30:56,399 --> 02:30:58,720
the building department

3755
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:01,920
because some minor changes will be will

3756
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:04,160
affect the plan, but we won't know that

3757
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:06,160
until the as is built is

3758
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:06,560
>> okay.

3759
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:08,319
>> So,

3760
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:09,280
>> yeah.

3761
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:11,200
>> I just have a question for Amy. Sorry,

3762
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:12,399
it's the fine.

3763
02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:15,520
>> It's the line before

3764
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:20,240
the the stoppage of 6 months. My only

3765
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:23,359
>> just question is like what happens if

3766
02:31:23,359 --> 02:31:25,680
there's like another COVID or another

3767
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:28,399
something like

3768
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,319
of course it's going to stop over 6

3769
02:31:30,319 --> 02:31:33,359
month like what accounts for something

3770
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:34,800
like that?

3771
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:36,240
>> They would come in and request a change

3772
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:37,680
to that condition and you would grant

3773
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:38,080
it.

3774
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:38,960
>> Okay.

3775
02:31:38,960 --> 02:31:41,040
>> Yeah. And also during co

3776
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:44,479
>> Yes, it is. But I just it happens.

3777
02:31:44,479 --> 02:31:45,120
>> Yep. So

3778
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,040
>> the governor isued an extension of all

3779
02:31:47,040 --> 02:31:48,640
permits when

3780
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:49,840
>> there are and then there are the

3781
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:51,520
extension per the permit extension act

3782
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:54,479
and all that stuff. So but I see what

3783
02:31:54,479 --> 02:31:56,479
you're saying. So yeah, if worst case

3784
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:58,000
scenario they would have to come in and

3785
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:00,240
you would you would just revise that

3786
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:05,429
condition.

3787
02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:08,560
So that will be condition 37

3788
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:12,800
36 for bill. But we're moving

3789
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:15,040
the numbers are going to change a little

3790
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:17,840
because we we put one you're moving two

3791
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:18,240
of them.

3792
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:20,880
>> Yeah, we're moving but we're moving one

3793
02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:22,960
number to a bullet under Yeah. to a sub

3794
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:25,200
bullet. So

3795
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:28,000
>> um are you guys okay with everything

3796
02:32:28,000 --> 02:32:29,359
that we've walked through or do you want

3797
02:32:29,359 --> 02:32:31,520
me to read back the changes?

3798
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:35,190
>> I think we're okay.

3799
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:36,880
Did you say please?

3800
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:37,760
>> Yes.

3801
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:41,439
>> No, we I've written them down. Maggie's

3802
02:32:41,439 --> 02:32:43,040
been writing them down and Amy's been

3803
02:32:43,040 --> 02:32:45,120
writing them down. So, we have them. We

3804
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:45,600
have them.

3805
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:47,359
>> And I have 10 million emails to myself.

3806
02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:48,160
So,

3807
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:49,680
>> and it's recorded.

3808
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:51,600
>> Exactly. Yeah. It's been recorded by

3809
02:32:51,600 --> 02:33:03,830
1623. So um

3810
02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,080
so definitive subdivision plan

3811
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:08,080
deliberation and vote deliberate and

3812
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:10,160
finalize all decision language including

3813
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:13,359
conditions which we have done.

3814
02:33:13,359 --> 02:33:16,080
This says Lisa to list the amended

3815
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:18,880
language and read in the final form.

3816
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:22,000
>> We waved that. We did it as we did it as

3817
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:24,080
we went.

3818
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:26,960
>> So I will take a motion to approve with

3819
02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:28,880
conditions

3820
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:30,720
>> with waivers and conditions and then

3821
02:33:30,720 --> 02:33:32,720
waivers and conditions.

3822
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:34,800
>> Okay. But we we did the waiverss. We

3823
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:37,680
voted on the waivers already.

3824
02:33:37,680 --> 02:33:42,399
>> Yeah. Okay. Fine. Yep. You're right.

3825
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:44,399
>> And they're in the in the decision that

3826
02:33:44,399 --> 02:33:46,560
we're voting on, but we already took a

3827
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:47,760
separate vote on the waiverss.

3828
02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:50,240
>> Okay. So take a motion to approve with

3829
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:52,240
conditions a definitive subdivision plan

3830
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:54,720
by applicant Bellpoint LLC for property

3831
02:33:54,720 --> 02:33:56,960
at zero Essex Park Road and zero Pond

3832
02:33:56,960 --> 02:34:01,200
Street rear map 147 lot 19 and map 142

3833
02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:05,600
lots 30 and 31 to create a 36 lot open

3834
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,359
space residential development

3835
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,040
subdivision to be known as the preserve

3836
02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:10,960
at Essex under the town of Essex rules

3837
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:12,960
and regulations relative to subdivision

3838
02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:15,120
control and the Massachusetts general

3839
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:18,319
law chapter 41 sections 81K through 81 1

3840
02:34:18,319 --> 02:34:21,200
GG known as the subdivision control law

3841
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,040
imper a special permit issued on

3842
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,840
September 3rd 2025 per town of Essex

3843
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:28,319
bylaws section 6-8

3844
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:30,560
open space residential development as

3845
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:32,560
shown in the definitive subdivision plan

3846
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:35,439
drawings sheets 1 through 57 dated June

3847
02:34:35,439 --> 02:34:38,160
3rd 2026 prepared by the Morren Cameron

3848
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:39,439
Group and submitted by applicant

3849
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:42,080
Bellpoint LLC subject to the conditions

3850
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:43,439
as written in the planning board

3851
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:46,640
decision. So take a motion.

3852
02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:50,560
>> So moved. Thank you, Shelley. Second.

3853
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:51,359
>> Second.

3854
02:34:51,359 --> 02:34:53,600
>> Thank you, Peter. This is a roll call

3855
02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:55,120
vote.

3856
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:57,439
>> Peter loves I.

3857
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:59,920
>> Beth Walsh. I.

3858
02:34:59,920 --> 02:35:01,600
Simone Early. I

3859
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,680
>> Shelley Bradberry. I

3860
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:05,680
>> Ariel Brain. I

3861
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:08,800
>> Lisa O'Donnell. I

3862
02:35:08,800 --> 02:35:13,750
The motion passes.

3863
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:18,000
So, can can uh we all say thank you so

3864
02:35:18,000 --> 02:35:19,920
much, Lisa,

3865
02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:21,600
Valerie,

3866
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:23,120
Teresa,

3867
02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:26,560
and Amy for doing this. Thank you

3868
02:35:26,560 --> 02:35:27,280
>> Junior tonight

3869
02:35:27,280 --> 02:35:30,960
>> and Teresa Jr. It's extraordinary work

3870
02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:34,319
and all your time and just thank you.

3871
02:35:34,319 --> 02:35:35,760
>> Well, thank you guys for bearing with

3872
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:38,560
all this, too. Um, we have other

3873
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:41,359
business.

3874
02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:42,880
We have one other piece of other

3875
02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:49,429
business.

3876
02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:51,760
» Thank you.

3877
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:54,479
>> Um

3878
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:56,399
there is a genius

3879
02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:59,920
>> a plot plan. Do you have a copy of

3880
02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:01,359
>> I have Yeah, you have

3881
02:36:01,359 --> 02:36:02,160
>> Yeah.

3882
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:03,359
>> Okay.

3883
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:05,439
>> And Bill is asking you're you're off.

3884
02:36:05,439 --> 02:36:08,160
Okay. Thank Um, if if I may, you um I

3885
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:09,840
just wanted to let you guys you are a

3886
02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:12,479
very very conscientious planning board.

3887
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:13,520
I

3888
02:36:13,520 --> 02:36:15,359
>> I deal with a lot of planning boards and

3889
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:16,960
I was very very impressed with all of

3890
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:21,520
your preparation and questions and very good. Oh, well

3891
02:36:21,520 --> 02:36:24,000
>> no, I mean it's but I know but everyone

3892
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:27,040
everybody engaged but um

3893
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,680
>> she's incredible but you guys also are.

3894
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:31,359
>> She's incredible. Yes.

3895
02:36:31,359 --> 02:36:31,680
>> Thank you.

3896
02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:32,479
>> I second that.

3897
02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:33,840
>> Have a safe drive.

3898
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:36,720
>> Drive safely.

3899
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:38,720
it out.

3900
02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:40,960
>> No, we're we're just doing um we're

3901
02:36:40,960 --> 02:36:44,080
doing a a sighting of a building for a

3902
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:46,160
property. So, if you you don't have to

3903
02:36:46,160 --> 02:36:48,240
hang out if you don't.

3904
02:36:48,240 --> 02:36:51,600
>> Have a good night.

3905
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:52,960
>> No, B.

3906
02:36:52,960 --> 02:36:54,080
>> Oh, okay.

3907
02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:56,319
>> We're still on 1623. We're not going to

3908
02:36:56,319 --> 02:36:58,080
reconvene down. We're not taking the

3909
02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:00,080
whole road show downstairs to vote on

3910
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:00,640
this.

3911
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:02,800
>> I thought you were telling her she Okay.

3912
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:04,640
>> Oh, no. No. I was saying to Val that

3913
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:06,640
we're done with the subdivision and it's

3914
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:08,399
quarter to 10 at night. So, she wanted

3915
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:10,479
to

3916
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:12,720
>> um this one's

3917
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:14,080
>> good work.

3918
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:15,520
>> Oh, good night Valerie.

3919
02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,080
>> Okay. Thanks. Thank you so much.

3920
02:37:18,080 --> 02:37:21,040
>> Appreciate all your help.

3921
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:28,399
Um, so we have a sighting of a building at 100

3922
02:37:28,399 --> 02:37:32,000
Belchure Street and a plot plan that was

3923
02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:34,640
provided that shows the property

3924
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:36,399
setbacks.

3925
02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:39,520
This is a second dwelling on a parcel,

3926
02:37:39,520 --> 02:37:42,399
but this parcel is 5.2 acres. So, they

3927
02:37:42,399 --> 02:37:44,479
have the acreage to have a second

3928
02:37:44,479 --> 02:37:46,640
structure on this house, I mean second

3929
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:49,040
structure on this property. And you can

3930
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:51,359
see they have located it within the

3931
02:37:51,359 --> 02:37:53,680
property setback which is the red dash

3932
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,080
line around the perimeter of the lot

3933
02:37:56,080 --> 02:38:00,240
with our 25 20 and 30 foot setbacks.

3934
02:38:00,240 --> 02:38:01,040
>> Right.

3935
02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:03,040
>> And Bill, you're looking for us to agree

3936
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:04,720
that the sighting of this building is

3937
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:05,600
appropriate.

3938
02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:07,520
>> Yes.

3939
02:38:07,520 --> 02:38:08,960
>> Any questions?

3940
02:38:08,960 --> 02:38:11,200
>> Motion to approve the sighting of 100

3941
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:12,640
Belture.

3942
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:15,680
>> Good idea. Second. Thank you Simone.

3943
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:18,160
moved and Beth second. All those

3944
02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:18,960
in favor?

3945
02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:21,600
>> I.

3946
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:24,880
>> No roll call vote. Okay, Simone.

3947
02:38:24,880 --> 02:38:26,640
>> Motion to adjourn.

3948
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:27,280
>> Second.

3949
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:30,479
>> Oh, wait. Do we need minutes?

3950
02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:32,399
>> We're not doing any minutes.

3951
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:34,960
>> Okay. It's quarter to 10.

3952
02:38:34,960 --> 02:38:38,880
>> Yeah. All approved. So, who who motion?

3953
02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:40,160
Simone motion.

3954
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:41,920
>> Who second? Beth second. All those in

3955
02:38:41,920 --> 02:38:44,880
favor? I

3956
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:47,200
thank