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Hi, this is the board of selectments

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meeting of September 28th.

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Um, calling the meeting to order at 6

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o'clock and this meeting is being

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broadcast and recorded.

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Um, we're going to go right to um your

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report if we could.

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>> Yeah, just just quick, we have somebody

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here from the Tobacco Lake and Watershed

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Association and there were two items on

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your agenda I didn't think he's here

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for. One of them is the um license with

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the Tobacco Lake and Wershed Association

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like we did with the Legion.

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>> Yep.

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>> They don't have a signed copy tonight,

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but the board meets again on the 5th.

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>> Okay.

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>> It is on your agenda.

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>> Yep.

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>> And and uh Allan, I don't believe

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there's any issue. The board was already

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in agreement so long as the lake

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association signed it in a form that we prescribed.

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And then the other thing was the do we

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want to talk about the other thing the

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um application

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>> the 604B water quality grant.

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>> Um

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the lake association would like to do a

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project that takes advantage of a lot of

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data they've collected recently about

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all of the septic systems that surround

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Chebacco Lake in an effort to eventually

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reduce the amount of phosphorus going

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into the lake. In a freshwater

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environment, phosphorus is the limiting

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nutrient. And if you can cut that down,

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then you're going to cut down on uh

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blooms, including toxic blooms like

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cyanobacteria.

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And um I do have a um letter of support

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for consideration by the board.

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>> So we got that um by email.

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>> Yes.

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>> And um

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I thought that the PowerPoint was very

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well written and very clear. I I don't

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know if you guys had a chance to look at

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it. I thought it was great. Um, one

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thing I would love next time we have

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something like that is context. So, what

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is the current condition of the lake in

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terms of that? Because I don't I don't

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know that stuff.

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>> It's it's suffering from phosphor excess

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phosphorus.

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>> A lot of invasive plants. There was no

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uh cyanobacteria bloom this year, but

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there has been the previous three or

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four years. And that closes it down. um

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at least for several weeks.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Um but yeah, it's had a lot of uh

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invasive plants in there that have been

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growing like wildfire for decades.

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>> Because of the excess phosphorus.

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>> Yeah. Um can I have a motion to approve

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>> letter of support for the 604B grant

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application?

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the town is actually the applicant but

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this is the select then throwing its own

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letter of support into it that which

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will become part of the application.

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>> Right.

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>> The lake association is going to do all

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the heavy lifting. We're just the

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conduit because a municipality has to be

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the applicant.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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>> All those in favor? I I

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>> All right. So we'll get that to you

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Alan. I think those are all the things

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right.

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>> No, no, it's okay.

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>> We're good.

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>> So, moving into my report. Um, first

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item on there is continued discussion

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with respect to the government study

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committee. I did speak to

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the town moderator. He is willing to

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actually be the um appointing authority

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once the selectman or people who see our

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announcement just generally uh provide a

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complete list of potential nom

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applicants.

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So far, people have I've had five people

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approach us directly and I know that um

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Chairman Cameron, you had a list of

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potential people that you would like to

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perhaps put forward and I don't know

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whether um any of the other board

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members have ideas for names and if you

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don't have them now, we're accepting

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them through October 13th.

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>> Any are yours people that want to do it

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or just a list of

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>> This is my list of like who I'd like to

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ask. So, I'm kind of making my way

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through the list, but I I I'm going to

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show you what it's kind of like. I have

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the name, contact information,

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>> profession, and then skill set.

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>> And I thought that would help Jeff if he

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was vetting these people. Sure. So, I'm

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in the midst of asking people if they

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want to do it. And

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so, I'm just going to show you the

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format of my list and then you can do

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your own thing and but just so you know

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who I'm talking to.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Um,

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>> they're just looking

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>> and this is I I've not talked to Jeff

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about any of these people because I want

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it to be clean, you know.

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>> that's something you're going to get to

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him.

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>> Uh-uh. I'm telling these people if you

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want to do this.

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>> Oh, they should.

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>> You should send the letter.

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>> Anything else on that one?

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>> Anyone? Okay.

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>> All right. The next item,

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>> is this my copy or you want it?

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>> If you want to keep it, you can keep it.

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I have it electronically.

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>> Okay. Uh, is the public safety building

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siding project update and change order?

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expecting to be completely done by the

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end of this week. I suspect that'll slip

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a little bit. Uh but the change order

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that I have talked about at a previous

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meeting. Uh the original contract scope

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included the replacement of a bunch of

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the uh PVC trim on the building because

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it was thought that if they're going to

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remove it to do the siding, they were

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going to wreck it. Fortunately, they

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were able to get a lot of the trim off

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without damaging it so they could reuse

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it. We're going to get a credit for that

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against now what has to happen which is

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um painting of any trim that they did

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have to replace. The contract did not

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carry painting of the new trim. And you

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really do need to paint it or it's going

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to look bright white against an

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off-white rest of the trim.

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>> Why didn't we have a contract for

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painting it?

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>> I I guess the engineer didn't think of

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that. They didn't they didn't look at

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the fact that the other

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>> So, this is a change order for a not to

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exceed value of $3,000 and that includes

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backing out the credit we're getting for

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trim that wasn't u had to be purchased.

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» So, they'll be done soon. And um

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>> last thing to do is paint it. Oh, yes.

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>> Yep. Great. So, if you want to do a

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motion on that.

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>> Oh, what do we have?

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>> It's to not to exceed $3,000.

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>> And do you have a name a number for this

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one?

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>> Well, not to exceed it will it will be

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less. It would be $3,000 or less.

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other quotes and they'll go with the

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lowest paint quote that they get.

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>> Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the

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change order amount of uh not to exceed

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$3,000 for

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um revived property solutions to um

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uh for to address the painting of the

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trim?

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>> Yeah. Moved. Second.

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>> All those in favor?

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>> Do I sign this?

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>> Right there. Yep.

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» Thanks, Brandon.

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>> Thank you.

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Next we have

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uh a summary of the

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school district and municipal

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collaboration group that was held last

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week.

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opportunities to share services where

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we're always kind of talking about that

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and if situations change with one

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organization or the other and there's

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something that has extra capacity

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then there's always a chance to

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cooperate, collaborate. We also

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discussed of course the um plans for the

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school vote that's coming up. We did

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hear expressed from the Manchester

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finance committee that they felt like

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since we're only getting the school

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figures

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now that they feel that it's a short

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turnaround to get those that information

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out to the public. We, you know,

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reminded everyone that um we were told

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that we wouldn't have figures until

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September. It's still September and if

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anything, it's going to be about a

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week's delay. Um, so it was the original

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plan and we did discuss everything

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including financing options way back in

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March. So, we left that meeting uh with,

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you know, a plan from the school

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district to get numbers out and then

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translate those numbers into what it

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looks like per year financing because in

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the first few years it could be that

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only a small amount of money is

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borrowed. and we're looking at all the

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options, but I I feel that we left it

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with the fact that they're going to

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stick with those dates, which would be

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>> two town meetings on November 16th and

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two special elections on December 10th.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Did you want to add to that?

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So, [clears throat] we got a number last

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week that was

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high and um the value engineering group

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or value management group met LA la last

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week um brought it down um and tomorrow

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night we'll be finalizing those numbers

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and whatever the value engineering um

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decisions are. So, we'll have a solid

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number tomorrow night that will be

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submitted to the MSBA and then um it's

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going to be a very quick campaign to um

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answer people's questions and get the

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information out. But, um remember the

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vote is the 16th of November

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um at town meetings and then we've got

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>> Manchester is the 16th as well.

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>> Yeah. Everything every both dates are

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the same.

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>> Yeah. And I think when we look at the

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fall the town meeting warrant, we're

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going to have to be a little strategic

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about our timing of the article

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[clears throat] to make sure that folks

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are here to answer questions same night.

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I think Manchester starts at 6, we start

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at 6:45.

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And then um

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the vote is the 10th of December, so

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that gives us a nice chunk of time,

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although it is over the holiday. So um

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that's that's what's happening there.

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But um please please please if anyone is

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tuning in go to the um information

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sessions that the school district is

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holding

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>> um this month on the 5th, right?

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>> Yes, I think that's what they said.

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>> The 5th and the 13th.

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>> Oh, I thought it was the fifth.

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>> For the eth and the

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>> fifth and the eth.

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>> And I think there's one in Essex for the

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13th.

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>> Okay.

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>> They're all posted on social media

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>> in the evening. Yep. And it's not a I'll

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just ask you to consider going to the

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Manchester one as well or just so that

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they can see

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Essex visibility,

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you know, and support.

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>> Do we have those dates?

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>> Yeah, I'll I'll I'll give them all to

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you. I think they're the eight the 8th

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the 13th are the two community forums.

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One in Essex, one in Manchester.

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>> Okay. The fifth was was another meeting,

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I Oh, that's the the fifth is the

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finance committee and board of selectman

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with the school building committee, but

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we're also meeting here, but they have

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their own meeting and we can ask for one

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if we'd like one.

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>> Okay.

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>> All right. So, speaking of the town

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meeting warrant, uh that's the next item

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for discussion.

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Uh the planning board articles are

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articles 1 through six

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and you have seen drafts of those.

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They're currently looking at town

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council's comments and compiling a final

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draft of each one and those will be

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inserted there. Article seven is the

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vote to um consider

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uh borrowing money for the school, the

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school replacement project.

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And uh I think you've seen that town

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council made some comments on not only

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this but the rest of the warrant. Uh

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that was over the weekend and I've

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provided that to you. So this is a

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slightly outdated but I've put all those

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in and I sent the school language off to

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the district because they have to have

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the re the revised version reviewed by

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the MSBA.

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» Article eight is the adoption of the

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fire chief statute. Article nine is the

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elderly and disabled taxation fund. 10

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is the water plant carbon media

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replacement. 11 water and sewer rate

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studies. 12. Now I've already crossed

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out the winch on the DPW truck. Uh also

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cross out the next one, the generator at

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the DPW barn. The reason the generator

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radiator. Okay.

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Uh wait, it's it's not the next one. It

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is the third one down replacement of

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radiator in the water filtration plant

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uh generator. The reason for that is

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they don't think they can wait for town

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meeting to get the money. they're going

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to have to buy it out of their budget

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and then in another article which is

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article 18 elsewhere in this warrant

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there'll be money raised money uh

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transferred out of the water uh

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enterprise okay

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>> retained earnings to refund their

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operating line and uh they found that

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out when the generator was needed during

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the storm and they thought that it was

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you know going to make it but it's not

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going to make it and they don't want

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another storm prior to the fall town

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meeting to cause a problem because that

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powers the water supply for the town

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during a uh an emergency.

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>> Can I ask a question? And I don't know

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if this is an appropriate time to ask

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the question, but

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>> um the difference between can you

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clarify the difference between article

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18 and article 19? So

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>> y

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>> they're spending out of their budget. We

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would you're putting it on article 18

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which is

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>> y

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>> revising a budget,

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>> right? And then article 19 is paying a

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bill

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>> that was not submitted to the town by

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the deadline for the preceding fiscal

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year.

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>> Okay.

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>> So it's a completely different

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>> Sorry. Okay. That's what I wanted to

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check on. Okay.

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>> So this list is getting shorter, but one

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of them's going to show up down below.

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>> Uh 13 police cruiser, 14 the community

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preservation projects. Now, one of the

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things that you were going to discuss

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with the Board of Public Works, although

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that's now been delayed,

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uh, was the ability of the DPW

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to potentially

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undertake projects at the Centennial

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Grove that would reduce erosion off of

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two hillsides, one going down to the

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beach and one coming down from the

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cottage. We're not going to get a timely

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answer on that, but I did ask the acting

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superintendent of public works and she

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said that she is working internally to

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determine whether they have that

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ability. And it's important because

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that's the project that the selectmen

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would ask for from CPA. I don't know

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whether there are other departments

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asking for anything this fall, but as

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long as the selectmen are okay with me

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putting it forward because it's either

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going to be we find out that they think

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they can handle the work with their

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equipment and their personnel that would

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just break down to a materials only

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project or they can't and that means we

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have to get a quote on on you know

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design construction

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>> materials. They're looking to see if

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they can do the design and then

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>> the design is pretty much there from

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>> from from the report. But if you're

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going to do if you they're not going to

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be able to do it, then you're going to

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have to do a design because you have to

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bid that design out and get someone else

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to do it.

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>> So, you know, the article always just is

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generic like this and the actual project

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doesn't get handed out until town

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meeting. So as long as the board is okay

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with pursuing it, whether it's materials

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only or or the other, you want to move

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forward, we can move it forward.

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>> I think we should just because the CPC

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has to meet

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prior to talk about it.

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>> They do. Yeah.

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>> And the other challenge is remember a

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few years ago they had had a meeting

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just moments before a town meeting to

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approve something and it was there was

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so much uncertainty in the room that

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night when it came up that it was like

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this isn't a good practice. So, um I

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think Michelle wants to have

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>> okay

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>> the meeting in time to bring it and have

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kind of a little more certainty about

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that.

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>> We did mention to her that this project

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might be coming, but we didn't know the

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scope yet. We still don't know it.

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>> Can you just get the numbers from the

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DPW just um just in case

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>> um

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>> like estimates or not?

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>> Well, they would have to tell us. So, if

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they can do it, then the labor is

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included in their operating budget. They

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would just have to go through what they

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think they need for materials. Either

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way, I'm either going to get that or I'm

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going to get

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>> maybe Horley Whitten to at least give me

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an order of magnitude cost estimate if

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we were going to hire the whole thing

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out and they'll round it up and we'll

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say we need this much money.

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>> Okay. Right.

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>> Some you know what it's going to cost as

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well

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>> or rough cost.

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Then we have um the special purpose

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stabilization funds. There are 12 of

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those. I think we'll find out from the

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finance committee later in this meeting

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what they plan to propose for that. The

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reserve fund is usually replenished at

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the fall town meeting depending on what

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the finance committee has used it for

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between uh June uh July 1 and and fall

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town meeting. OPED. Again, we'll get a

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recommendation from the finance

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committee on a figure there.

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The budget adjustments,

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um, we have some minor adjustments to

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wage lines, some harbor, uh, master

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budget changes, and that's all coming

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from the, uh, waterways fund. Anyway,

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um, we don't at this point think we're

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going to need more funding for a fire

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chief. And I just mentioned we'll

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probably be refunding a line for the

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water department for that radiator

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replacement. And article 19 is for

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unpaid bills. And we do have one major

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bill and it um is from the fact that one

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of the snow removal vendors did not

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build a town until just now, believe it

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or not. And of course, that's way past

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the end of the fiscal year. And so the

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town needs to consider that. and it

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takes a 9/10 vote to fund that and it's

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a substantial bill of about $26,000

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and that's it. Um there will also be a

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um special election warrant for the

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board to sign also on the 19th, but you

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do have one more meeting to talk about

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the draft warrant

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which will be on the 5th next week. And

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>> I see the recommendations are going to

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be a handout along with the um funding

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as well.

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Uh yeah, the explanations are in the

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warrant, but the recommend the the

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handout that shows the uh monetary

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amounts will have the recommendedations

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from the different boards and

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committees. That's correct.

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>> Anything else on that right now?

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>> I have some questions. So the fin is

532
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coming to this meeting to talk about the

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monetary articles which we'll talk about

534
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later.

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>> Yes. Um, I was just thinking about,

536
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okay, what articles need to have more

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meat or some more uh FAQs and I was

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thinking inclusary inclusionary zoning.

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Number seven, which is um the school

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building project where we could provide

541
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a link to whatever the school has.

542
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Number eight for the fire chief kind of

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just contextually what's why how this

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came about. Number nine is the tax fund.

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Just some clarification as to like how

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does this set up? What what's the what's

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the deal here?

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>> Number 11, the water sewer rate. I

549
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>> Nick gave us a really good explanation

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in an email probably in the fall. I

551
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,120
could that was a good thing to just

552
00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,559
provide information. The OPB um I think

553
00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,000
it's important for people to kind of

554
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000
understand how that's working

555
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,080
>> and how close we are to it being self-

556
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,039
sustaining.

557
00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:10,240
>> Yeah. But then there was that

558
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,840
>> we got close and then

559
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,520
>> Yeah. Then the case has changed

560
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,840
>> yank the rug. Um but

561
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,000
>> that'll probably always happen to a

562
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,520
point. Yes. Yeah.

563
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760
>> Um and then um the budget adjustments

564
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,760
and the unpaid bills.

565
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,679
>> Um just kind of like what are the what's

566
00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:26,320
the difference there?

567
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,760
>> So how do you propose to get that out

568
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,039
there? Something on the website or

569
00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,200
>> Yeah, we could put it on the website. Um

570
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,880
>> I can take a stab at those if you want.

571
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,159
>> Great. And then I'll help you and we'll

572
00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:36,000
get some as long as is the board okay

573
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,520
with that to have that

574
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,240
>> provided. Okay. Um, and then we said

575
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,760
that we were going to have a portion of

576
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,760
our meeting open um, for questions. Um,

577
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,880
and I think that was after the 19th when

578
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:49,200
we

579
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:49,679
>> Yep.

580
00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:50,480
>> Is that correct?

581
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,520
>> Yep. So, there's a second it would be

582
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,240
the first meeting in November, I

583
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,240
believe.

584
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,880
Pam, do you have the schedule that first

585
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,559
meeting in November?

586
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,600
>> So, October 19th is

587
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,480
>> November second.

588
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960
>> I think it is November.

589
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,520
Yep.

590
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,400
>> Yeah.

591
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,480
>> Okay. So, just for people to know that

592
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,720
there will be a section of our meeting

593
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,480
>> where we'll have open

594
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,480
>> questions for people who want to ask

595
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,440
about the town meeting warrant.

596
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080
>> Okay. Thanks, Brandon.

597
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,039
>> Yep. And then um

598
00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:29,440
application for federal grant for Essex

599
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,919
Causeway flooding solutions. So, this is

600
00:22:31,919 --> 00:22:34,240
the protect grant. The board is aware

601
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,799
that we did u prepare for a protect

602
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,000
grant application in 2025 and then a few

603
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,400
days before everybody was going to be

604
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,240
submitting the federal government said

605
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,640
that the grant that grant program was

606
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,679
paused. The grant program came back

607
00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:52,320
without a lot of notice. Fortunately,

608
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,799
uh, Mass DOT is, um, allowing their paid

609
00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,520
consultant, VHB, to help us develop a

610
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,320
modified grant application. A lot of the

611
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,799
stuff is the same. The problem is, not

612
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,159
only did it come back, but they

613
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,000
completely changed how you had to submit

614
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
it, and there are tables and things that

615
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,679
are different. So, everything has to be

616
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,000
put into the right places, and VHP is

617
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,840
doing that. um Mass DOT would be the um

618
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,840
primary applicant and um

619
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,919
the town of Essics would be what they

620
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:32,080
call a co-licant. Um, of course, it's uh

621
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,440
much to our advantage to um have this

622
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,039
and process this. We're looking at

623
00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,600
something that could be in excess of $2

624
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,720
million. And it's going to take what the

625
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960
Metropolitan Planning Organization has

626
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,640
already done. It's going to take the um

627
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,120
results of the LEAP grant study that is

628
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,080
that are coming out right now, build on

629
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240
those and hopefully move toward a

630
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,799
preferred alternative including a lot of

631
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,360
design work. After that, you'd be able

632
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,360
to actually take that once you're

633
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,039
through permitting and try to get

634
00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,679
federal or other state funding for the

635
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,159
actual solution, the implementation of

636
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:11,840
keeping the causeway from flooding.

637
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:12,400
>> Yeah.

638
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,760
>> However that works out. So, um, at this

639
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,520
time,

640
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,000
um, just making sure that the board is

641
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,840
okay with that. Uh, because the you

642
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,640
don't meet again, uh, by the time that

643
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,159
they have to have everything wrapped up

644
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:30,000
and submitted.

645
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,559
Um,

646
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,310
I think

647
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,919
it I at this point I think if the board

648
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:45,039
could voice uh support saying that they

649
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,440
do um

650
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,640
allow this to be applied for, that the

651
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,440
chairman could sign a grant application

652
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,880
outside of a meeting when it's

653
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,279
available, and that the chairman could

654
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,799
sign uh a letter of report.

655
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,000
So moved.

656
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,120
>> Second. I I do have a question. Um in

657
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,827
your report, it says that uh at this

658
00:25:07,827 --> 00:25:08,640
[clears throat] point in the process,

659
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,159
the town is being asked for numerous

660
00:25:10,159 --> 00:25:12,880
letters of support and around $21,000 in

661
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,440
local funding. Where does that 21,000?

662
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,240
>> So that would come from we have a um

663
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,159
coastal resilience. One of those 12

664
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,440
funds has money in it for that purpose.

665
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,400
And as we get closer, if they tell us,

666
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,520
hey, we're, you know, we're going to

667
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,080
fund this, it will take a long time. And

668
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,600
then the next town meeting after that,

669
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,360
the town will just vote. Okay.

670
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:34,960
>> To come out of that. All right. Thank

671
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,600
you. So Brendan um just uh curious to

672
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,840
know how the cho the recommend

673
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,799
recommended option will be chosen in the

674
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,440
you know five years from now or whenever

675
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,840
it is they come out with it. Um is that

676
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320
something that the board decides, the

677
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,919
town decides? It will be something it

678
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:01,279
will be something that we're going to

679
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,320
get input from from all those players

680
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,880
>> ultimately the selectman as the

681
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,080
executive branch will say yes okay we've

682
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,679
seen all the alternatives we've seen

683
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:13,200
what you're recommending

684
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,679
>> and okay yeah we like that but if you

685
00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:17,039
don't then there'll be you know

686
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,720
>> yeah back and forth

687
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,640
>> but ultimately it will be a um a vote of

688
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,240
the board of selectment to accept the

689
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,480
preferred alternative and then you would

690
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,440
go with that as your ticket to shop for

691
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,159
um

692
00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:30,799
>> contractor

693
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,240
>> implementation money.

694
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:32,559
>> Yeah.

695
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:34,640
>> Grant money. Yeah.

696
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,640
>> So all those in favor

697
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,640
>> I

698
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,360
>> thank you Brenda.

699
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:40,320
>> That's it.

700
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,760
>> Um I think the True Family is here

701
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,400
and they are here about 120. Oh wait,

702
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,760
no. They're here for this 111 Koma Point

703
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,400
Road and 109.

704
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,880
Great. Can you tell us a little bit

705
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,159
about that?

706
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:03,520
>> Yes. So, the um each of the leases for

707
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,799
leased property on Kennomal Point um

708
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,400
allow the selectmen

709
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,640
to vote to make administrative changes

710
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,360
to lot lines because

711
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,200
they're just leaseold lines. They are

712
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,400
not property lines. They are not

713
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,760
recorded at the registry of deeds.

714
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,600
At one point in time, Kenomo Point was

715
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,120
one large property all the way back

716
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,520
through Sumac Drive.

717
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600
>> Twothirds of it was sold off and at that

718
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,799
time there was subdivisions were done. A

719
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,320
couple subdivisions were done under

720
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,960
special subdivision um zoning bylaws

721
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200
that actually made legal lots and they

722
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
were sold to individual owners. But the

723
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,159
one-third of it that's pretty much north

724
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,880
of Clammer's Beach

725
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,760
um is still existing as one large parcel

726
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,320
divided into administrative leased

727
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,760
parcels. And so that's why the selectmen

728
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,679
can agree to change uh lease lines.

729
00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:09,360
And so now we've had a request from

730
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:14,960
the uh from the LEI to make that change.

731
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,600
And [clears throat] you can see in the graphic that they have and the

732
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,159
leie is the lei of both of the

733
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,919
properties in question. So this is a

734
00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:27,279
line in between two lease holds for the

735
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:29,200
same lease holder. We've done this

736
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,480
before where there were two different

737
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,000
leaseolders too as long as everyone

738
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,520
agreed.

739
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200
And so if you look at the picture that's

740
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,320
in there,

741
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,960
>> you'll see what it looks like today and

742
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,720
then you'll see what they would like to

743
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:47,190
have it look like.

744
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,919
Okay, wait a minute.

745
00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:54,080
>> I can pull up my copy, too.

746
00:28:54,080 --> 00:29:03,190
>> 76 and 77A.

747
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,110
» So,

748
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,640
» I don't mean to be rude. I'm gonna ask

749
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,760
some questions. Okay. Um

750
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,520
what does this mean in terms of any

751
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840
dollars that we

752
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000
generate from this? You know, does it

753
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,799
change anything?

754
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,520
>> It doesn't because the change is really

755
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
dimminimous. It's, you know, the value

756
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,600
of the property is the value to occupy

757
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,840
and habit, you know,

758
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,559
>> uh inhabit the property. Mhm.

759
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,919
>> Um, you could even put in your vote that

760
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:39,760
as long as you get the ascent from the

761
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,399
lease holder that it will not change the

762
00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:44,960
basis for the lease on either property.

763
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,399
>> If you feel that you want to do that,

764
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:49,840
then that's appropriate as well.

765
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,440
>> Um,

766
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,799
and I guess what happens if so there's

767
00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,760
still two dwellings,

768
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,840
it's still two lots.

769
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:00,240
>> Yeah.

770
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,320
>> So if um the family decides They want to

771
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,120
>> transfer one

772
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,679
>> transfer lease. It goes to the new lot

773
00:30:07,679 --> 00:30:10,480
line. The new lot line is in place.

774
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,039
>> Yes. And whoever is assuming that

775
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:14,799
>> you you tell them, "Yeah, that's the lot

776
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,440
line and the the price hasn't changed.

777
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200
The lease the lease amount has not

778
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,000
changed."

779
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,679
>> If you were to look at this, tell me

780
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,000
what the difference is.

781
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Like what's the

782
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,320
>> It's certain certain number of square

783
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,520
feet. I haven't done the actual math on

784
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,080
it, but

785
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,919
>> So, it looks like the line goes closer

786
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:36,880
to 76's

787
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,360
um back. Do you want to Is it okay if we

788
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,310
>> Yeah, come up to the microphone.

789
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,640
» I'm sorry to ask stupid questions.

790
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,480
>> It's not a stupid question if you're not

791
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,840
familiar with the lots. So,

792
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,159
originally when we first purchased,

793
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:55,840
there was a straight line, let's say,

794
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,080
from the ocean to the street.

795
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,480
>> And then during the whole bridge lease

796
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,520
into the 20-year leases,

797
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
um, I don't remember who the appraiser

798
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,679
or the person that came out and drew all

799
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:10,399
the lot lines. They gave both of the

800
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:13,840
lots an angle. So, that's when it was

801
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,640
changed. It was historically straight

802
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,039
from the ocean to the street for like 80

803
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,600
years or so and then it got changed I

804
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,960
think in 2015. So we're we're not

805
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,399
looking for a new line. We're just

806
00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:28,240
looking for the old line.

807
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,640
>> Okay.

808
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,799
>> Oh, it was changed in 2015.

809
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,200
>> 15, right? But I'm saying we're this

810
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,039
isn't we don't want something new. We

811
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,960
want to go back to what was prior to

812
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,080
2015.

813
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,480
>> Why? because it's it's a non right now

814
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,039
we have irregular lots that have an

815
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,320
angle. So the house at 109 has a 9 foot

816
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,840
um

817
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,799
frontage on the street only 9 ft versus

818
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:57,440
the other house has like 93.

819
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,000
>> Yeah.

820
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,559
>> And if like you're saying down the road

821
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,200
if somebody were if we were to sell both

822
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,159
one or one of them it's just it's just

823
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:08,080
strange if we put it back to where it

824
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,279
is. We both have like a normal frontage

825
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:12,240
and for

826
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,600
>> what would the frontages be with the

827
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,159
change?

828
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:14,720
>> I beg you.

829
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,480
>> What would the two frontages be with the

830
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:16,799
change?

831
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,279
>> I don't know because like like Brendan

832
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,279
had mentioned there's like no definitive

833
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:23,200
lot lines, but I think it would bring

834
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600
them both to about 50 ft each.

835
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:26,480
>> Yeah. Okay.

836
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,760
>> Which would be normal.

837
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
>> Yeah. and what if the board moves

838
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360
forward with it, we would use our GIS to

839
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,120
approximate the line that they're

840
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,039
talking about and then we would have to

841
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:39,840
have the assessor's maps changed and

842
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,240
eventually it would be reflected that

843
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,600
way because the um

844
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
the lease actually speaks of as laid out

845
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,399
on the assessor's maps even though

846
00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:54,240
they're not um legal lots on their own.

847
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,880
>> I don't think so.

848
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,679
these are these look like the two

849
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:03,919
existing lots and then the change.

850
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,440
I don't see the change on here.

851
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,600
>> Would it go basically from this to like

852
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,399
that?

853
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,159
>> There were two things there. Hold on.

854
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:12,480
>> Yeah, there's this and this. But this

855
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,039
looks like this, right? That doesn't

856
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,960
>> But there were Can you Can you approach

857
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960
So or do you have

858
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,200
>> Yeah, because I thought we had one that

859
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,000
showed go from that to that. That's what

860
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,880
you Yeah, that's what they're

861
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,310
describing. Yeah.

862
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,480
» So, we have this and it looks

863
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,000
>> the same.

864
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
>> This is the old

865
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,240
>> Yeah.

866
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,320
>> So, 93 is 77 A and B and 92 is 76. So,

867
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,840
the line is

868
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,200
>> okay. And the copies you have, you can

869
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,399
see like there's like

870
00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:54,159
>> an angle. I see what you're saying.

871
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,000
>> This is used to go straight out here.

872
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,240
>> Yep.

873
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:58,640
>> Yeah.

874
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,559
The only thing I would propose is

875
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,559
the first thing that we that you

876
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,159
mentioned about like the cost that no

877
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:06,720
changes,

878
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,159
>> right? Is that something you'll ascent

879
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:09,919
to on the record that you understand

880
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:12,000
that the leases will not change because

881
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,119
of the land change?

882
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:13,520
>> Exactly.

883
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,520
>> So that Pam, let that be reflected in

884
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,079
the record.

885
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:17,679
>> We're good. Thank you very much. They've

886
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,879
acknowledged that if a lot line changes,

887
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,560
they are acknowledging that there will

888
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,960
be no change in the basis of the uh

889
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:25,839
lease amount.

890
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:26,800
>> Good.

891
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,919
>> Thank you.

892
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,240
>> Uh so let me just ask you this so that

893
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,159
when this actually happens, if they vote

894
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,000
for it, how far off of the upper house

895
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,359
do you want to be with that line?

896
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:38,560
Because that's how we're going to draw

897
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,200
it.

898
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,040
>> Yeah. Could we go out there and show

899
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,240
someone exactly know where

900
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,399
>> we because we we're going to need to

901
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,320
have a well we would we could we could

902
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,919
measure it in the field

903
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:50,879
>> because we're going to need to have a

904
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:52,879
dimension in order to have the map

905
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,560
actually changed

906
00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:01,990
>> now

907
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,160
will it be from this point no matter

908
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
what is that the swing point?

909
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:07,440
>> Yes.

910
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,640
>> So that's the hinge.

911
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,240
>> Yeah. Mhm.

912
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,520
>> Right.

913
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,640
>> Yep. So, we'll have to do some um

914
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
>> work in the field.

915
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,119
>> It's a little off this line. Maybe about

916
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:21,760
like

917
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,359
>> Well, that's what's important.

918
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,839
>> Yeah. But if I could point it out, it's

919
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:29,040
easier when you're there to see it.

920
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,400
>> Okay.

921
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,079
>> Yep.

922
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,839
So, I think the board has the gist of it

923
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,400
and I think is you could you could vote

924
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,400
um to be um

925
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
>> verified in the field by the town

926
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,160
administrator.

927
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,520
>> Is there a cost to drawing redraw? I

928
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,880
mean like to having a surveyor or

929
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,599
anything? We're not

930
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,119
>> No, it's not a surveyor at all. No,

931
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:51,359
we're going to tell the people who

932
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,920
handle our assessor's maps.

933
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,079
That's why I need some numbers like

934
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,400
start here and keep it keep it this many

935
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,720
feet off of this corner of the house or

936
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,640
whatever and then they'll redraw the

937
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,040
line.

938
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,839
>> Okay, great. So, can I have a motion to

939
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:11,119
approve the um request from John TR

940
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,040
and

941
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,599
>> Christine?

942
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,160
>> Okay.

943
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,320
John TR to alter the property line

944
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,240
between two Koma Point properties that

945
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:25,040
he leases. 111 Komao Point Road and 109

946
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,520
KO Komao Point Road. Map 108, lots 77A

947
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,480
and 776. Wait, and 76

948
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,040
according to um specifics that you that

949
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,599
>> the town administrator will obtain via

950
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,599
field evaluation.

951
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:44,400
>> So moved.

952
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,880
>> Second.

953
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,320
>> All those in favor? I

954
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,240
>> I thank you.

955
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:48,960
>> Thank you.

956
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,200
>> Sure. And then quickly, can we vote to

957
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,960
ratify the town administrator's approval

958
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,520
of a building permit for 120 Koma Point

959
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,920
Road, map 108, lot 69?

960
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,040
>> Need to read this.

961
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,079
>> It's a special vote.

962
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:03,359
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

963
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:07,359
>> Okay. Can I have a motion to Oh, I and

964
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:08,480
Cameron.

965
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,955
>> That is you. Yeah.

966
00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:11,920
[laughter]

967
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,839
Move to ratify the town administrator's

968
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,079
approval of building permit application

969
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,000
to replace existing wooden support

970
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,720
columns with new steel support columns

971
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,640
under new sections of the support beam

972
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,400
at 120 Koma Point Road, map 108, lot 69,

973
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,040
subject to all terms and conditions of

974
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,599
the land lease for said premises,

975
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,520
including but not limited to articles

976
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,240
five and nine.

977
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,040
>> So moved.

978
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:37,520
>> Second.

979
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,119
>> All in favor? Hi.

980
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,000
>> Hi.

981
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,480
>> So, can I have that back from John Drew

982
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,359
and from the I gave it to Brenda?

983
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:49,200
>> I have it. I'll give I'll give it to

984
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:49,680
you.

985
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,000
>> All right. She's going to hold you to

986
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,400
it.

987
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,920
>> Yep. You'll have it.

988
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,359
>> Okay. Um

989
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:56,880
>> here actually.

990
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,079
>> Uh I would love to hear public comment

991
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,950
if there is any

992
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,349
» online. Anyone want to speak?

993
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:11,680
Okay.

994
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,680
All right. Um on to um other business.

995
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,440
You are here. Um Natasha, do you are you

996
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,800
here for all of the permits that we

997
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:21,760
have?

998
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,280
>> Can we get through those? Do you guys

999
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,400
mind if we do that right now?

1000
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,000
>> Sure.

1001
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,359
>> Okay. Hey, can I have a motion to

1002
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:29,839
approve a one-day wine and malt license

1003
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,079
for the Essex Historical Society and

1004
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:33,920
Ship Building Museum, Katie Mum

1005
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680
Montgomery, Essex Ship Building Museum

1006
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,440
Shipyard, 66 Main Street for use. Um,

1007
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,240
and the following three dates, Octo

1008
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,800
Saturday, October 17th, 2026, between

1009
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,000
the hours of 5 and 8:00 p.m. Saturday,

1010
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,240
December 12th, 2026, between the hours

1011
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,839
of 10:00 a.m. and 5:00 pm.

1012
00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,160
>> So moved. Second. All those in favor?

1013
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:56,960
>> I

1014
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,640
>> can I have a motion to approve the town

1015
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,320
administrator's approval to change the

1016
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,599
date from 9:26 to 10:10 due to rain for

1017
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:05,440
the Essex Historical Society Ship

1018
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,359
Building Museum with all the same

1019
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:09,839
information as before uh between the

1020
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:11,599
hours of 11:00 a.m. and 6 p.m. at the

1021
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,240
Ship Building Museum Outdoors 66 Maine

1022
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,839
and wave the fee.

1023
00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:16,800
>> So moved. Second.

1024
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,760
>> All those in favor?

1025
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,160
>> I.

1026
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,079
>> Thank you everybody. Then we're going to

1027
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,000
talk about a one-day entertainment

1028
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,079
license. We're going to ratify the town

1029
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,760
administrator's approval to change the

1030
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,359
date from 9:26 to 10:10 due to rain.

1031
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,359
Essex Historical Society Ship Building

1032
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:33,520
Museum. All of the same information

1033
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,520
between the hours of 11 and 6 at the

1034
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,720
Ship Building Museum outdoors 66 Maine

1035
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,960
with amplified music, local bands,

1036
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,760
poetry readings, and wave the fee.

1037
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,720
>> So move second.

1038
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:45,760
>> All those in favor?

1039
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,800
>> I.

1040
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,440
>> Great. And then there's three dates for

1041
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,880
one day entertainment licenses.

1042
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,800
Saturday, October, this is all for the

1043
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,640
historical society. October 17th, 2026,

1044
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,839
between the hours of 5 and 8. On October

1045
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:05,440
27th, between the hours of 3 and 5, and

1046
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,079
the Saturdays, December 5th, between the

1047
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,599
hours of 4 and 8 for Santa countdown.

1048
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,560
>> So moved.

1049
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,119
>> Second.

1050
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,589
>> All those in favor? They're

1051
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,880
so easy. So easy. Didn't even need me.

1052
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,520
>> Thank you. Well,

1053
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:22,000
>> thank you.

1054
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,760
>> It's always a pleasure to see you.

1055
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,720
>> Appreciate it.

1056
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,800
>> Thank you.

1057
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,880
Okay. So, can I have a motion to approve

1058
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,240
the weekly warrant in the amount of

1059
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:33,829
$215,121.33?

1060
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:34,560
» So moved.

1061
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:35,040
>> Second.

1062
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,160
>> All those in favor?

1063
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:36,880
>> I

1064
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,400
>> approve the minutes for the selectman

1065
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,839
September 14th, 2026th open meeting and

1066
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:44,480
executive session. So moved. Second.

1067
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,359
>> All those in favor?

1068
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:46,400
>> I

1069
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,240
>> sign the warrant for the November 3rd,

1070
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,119
2026 state election.

1071
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,800
>> No, sorry. Sign the warrant for the

1072
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,079
November 3rd, 2026 state election.

1073
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,000
>> So moved.

1074
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,359
>> We're voting on that or

1075
00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:00,240
>> I guess so.

1076
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,480
>> You have to vote on the actual warrant

1077
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,160
so that when the ballots come out, they

1078
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,920
reflect your vote. Second.

1079
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,760
>> And you signed it already.

1080
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:08,319
>> Okay.

1081
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:10,000
>> All those in favor? I

1082
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,680
>> I

1083
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,480
>> thank you. Uh consider counter signature

1084
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,880
of a license for the jabbac.

1085
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,800
>> So that's we're going to bring that to

1086
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,359
the next meeting.

1087
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:22,079
>> Oh,

1088
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:23,440
>> okay.

1089
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,280
>> Because they didn't provide it.

1090
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,880
>> They were they still have people on

1091
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,319
their board looking over it. Okay.

1092
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:30,400
>> And so it'll be October 5th.

1093
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,480
>> Uh consider the approval of a memorandum

1094
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,079
of agreement with the Essex Police

1095
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,000
Association with respect to the use of

1096
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,280
compensatory time off.

1097
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,599
So that is something that was um

1098
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,480
discussed in executive session and

1099
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,040
eventually a um an agreement was reached

1100
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,960
and so now since the union is willing to

1101
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,599
accept the terms it would needs to be

1102
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:58,000
voted in regular session. I believe it

1103
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,960
was in the signature package.

1104
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,119
>> Yes, I saw it. And so this would be your

1105
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:08,240
chance to vote on uh that MOA.

1106
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,119
>> So moved.

1107
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:09,760
>> Second.

1108
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,920
>> All those in favor? I.

1109
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,800
>> Thank you. Uh can I have a motion to

1110
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,760
continue discuss? Oh, wait. Stop. You

1111
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:18,880
don't have to motion any.

1112
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,560
>> No. So the town social media posting and

1113
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,839
management policy, there was discussion

1114
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:28,000
over the last couple of meetings. I

1115
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,400
provided information from other

1116
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,200
communities that seemed to have um a

1117
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,079
good uh policy in place and I didn't

1118
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,480
know whether anyone had made any headway

1119
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,280
on recommending perhaps one over the

1120
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,200
other or certain parts of one certain

1121
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,640
parts of the other.

1122
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,720
>> I apologize for not being prepared for

1123
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:48,000
this discussion.

1124
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,400
>> Can bring it up again next time.

1125
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:50,880
>> Sorry.

1126
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,400
>> That's sorry.

1127
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,359
>> We'll bring it next time.

1128
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:54,960
>> I think Jonathan's still going to reach

1129
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,920
out to you this week.

1130
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,040
>> Great. So,

1131
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,240
there may be more.

1132
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:05,040
>> Great. Uh oh, how about if we keep going

1133
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,119
on this stuff and then we'll talk about

1134
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,200
the employee and volunteer of the year.

1135
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,000
>> Um let's do we have to Oh, yeah. Uh can

1136
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,160
we um talk about the Weston and Samson

1137
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,920
study and design work for the three town

1138
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,640
owned bridges?

1139
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,160
>> Yes. Um, so even though the board of

1140
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,400
public works has not arrived at a scope

1141
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
of work that will cost $60,000, which is

1142
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,960
what our Eater Mark is,

1143
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,079
>> they did arrive at so far one thing that

1144
00:43:32,079 --> 00:43:34,800
needs to be done, which is an actual

1145
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920
engineered load rating for the bridge at

1146
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Landing Road. It's 30 something

1147
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,400
thousand. I think that was in the

1148
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,160
package. And um I would recommend that

1149
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,000
the board approve that scope so they can

1150
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,720
get going on it. And then

1151
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,880
the when when Mandy and the Board of

1152
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,599
Public Works looks at the original study

1153
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,000
that was done and picks the next

1154
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,280
important thing that gets added into the scope so that they can start

1155
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,760
right away and then by the time we get

1156
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,680
to June they'll be done with all of it.

1157
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,359
they'll choose that and it will have to

1158
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:11,520
be an item that's both important but

1159
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,119
also um worth about what 30 20 $222,000

1160
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,640
or something like that.

1161
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880
>> You remember Nick said there was no

1162
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,560
reason going forward unless we had a

1163
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,040
loading study for that project. So I

1164
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,839
think it's pretty important

1165
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:30,240
>> and so just realize that a uh second

1166
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,880
um topic will also be included for the

1167
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,599
$60,000 and when I have that I'll bring

1168
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:36,880
it back to the board.

1169
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,280
>> Yeah. And this load bearing on that

1170
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,520
bridge is important because you have

1171
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,599
every piece of equipment that we have in

1172
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:45,920
town getting gas at

1173
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,240
>> and the big semis that haul the

1174
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,920
recycling and trash in and out.

1175
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,240
>> Yep.

1176
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:50,720
>> Yeah.

1177
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,920
So that's important. Um so can I

1178
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,000
have a motion to approve the contract

1179
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,760
with Weston and Samson for the further

1180
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,839
study and design work concerning the

1181
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,079
loadbearing proposal?

1182
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:02,880
>> So moved.

1183
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,599
>> Second.

1184
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:05,359
>> All those in favor? I

1185
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:07,680
>> thank you.

1186
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,640
Um the legislative alert that you sent

1187
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,040
us was about the econ economic

1188
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,960
development bond bill, the environmental

1189
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,800
bond bill, and the energy affordab

1190
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,680
affordability bill.

1191
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,160
>> So in the past, the board said whenever

1192
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,680
these come out, they'd like them brought

1193
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,720
to

1194
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:27,040
>> meetings of the board, which one of them

1195
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,720
came out in the past, and you did arrive

1196
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,520
at some comments you wanted me to uh

1197
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,240
convey to our legislators, our state

1198
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,079
legislators.

1199
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,079
um do you have anything in this

1200
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,599
particular case that you want me to

1201
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,200
convey?

1202
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,599
This is recommending that you know you reach out and

1203
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,800
um cover certain points with with the

1204
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,359
legislators and they're on the second

1205
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,359
page starting on the second page

1206
00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,200
>> and this is from the MMA.

1207
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,920
>> Yes, it is.

1208
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,400
>> Yeah. Um

1209
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,240
I mean I think the local control came up

1210
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,359
the last time which we all were in um

1211
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:07,680
support of. So that's the protect local

1212
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,359
decision- making.

1213
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,359
>> Um the keeping state funding available

1214
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:15,680
to all communities. I'm assuming that is um

1215
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,960
uh kind of reflective of folks who are

1216
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,000
being um penalized for not adopting Yes.

1217
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,359
>> Um the 3A.

1218
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:25,760
>> Yes. Um,

1219
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,760
I think in in this state of the world

1220
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,240
that um if a community qualifies for a

1221
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,400
grant, they should get it. I don't think

1222
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,599
we should be

1223
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:40,319
>> I agree.

1224
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:41,520
>> Smacking people around.

1225
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:42,640
>> Same

1226
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,640
>> with their with their tax dollars.

1227
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,960
>> It's very um

1228
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,480
>> Yeah, it's blackmail.

1229
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,359
>> Yeah.

1230
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:53,200
>> Which is done a lot by the state, but

1231
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,119
and then always oppose it. Yeah, there's

1232
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:55,920
two other points.

1233
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,560
>> Yep. Support municipal flexibility. I

1234
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,040
think that that's a good thing. Um that

1235
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,119
lets you continue to do hybrid meeting

1236
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,599
options, expand local authority over

1237
00:47:05,599 --> 00:47:08,800
liquor licensing in a double pole

1238
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,160
removal pilot. I don't know what the

1239
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,680
hell that is.

1240
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,160
>> Okay. So when a utility comes in because

1241
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,440
someone crashed through a utility pole,

1242
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,040
what they do right away is they put a

1243
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,480
new pole and they cut the old one off

1244
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,880
and fasten it because the wires on the

1245
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
old pole all have to be transferred over

1246
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,079
to the new one.

1247
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,920
>> And

1248
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,400
it's not such a problem in Essex, but in

1249
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,640
many places it is. And those things just

1250
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,520
stay like that for years. And that what

1251
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,000
they're trying to do is to provide some

1252
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,480
requirement that things move along a lot

1253
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,680
faster than they have in the past.

1254
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,920
>> Makes sense. Yeah, I've seen lots of

1255
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,720
them like that.

1256
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:47,760
>> Yeah.

1257
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,839
>> Do we know what authority would be

1258
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:53,599
expanded over liquor licensing in that

1259
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,000
>> uh on the invested cities and towns?

1260
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,920
>> Yeah. Uh no. In the

1261
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,960
>> it's under support mean

1262
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
>> expanded local authority over liquor

1263
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,560
licensing.

1264
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,480
Is that being able to to um expand your

1265
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,839
number?

1266
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:12,800
>> No, I don't think to have around

1267
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:13,359
licenses.

1268
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,760
>> I think I think it has to do with

1269
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,240
probably less interaction from the ABCC

1270
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,920
on certain aspects. I don't think it has

1271
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,839
anything to do with you setting the

1272
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:25,280
number of licenses,

1273
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,400
>> right? The number of licenses is set on

1274
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,559
population.

1275
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,040
>> What about seasonal? Is that also set on

1276
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:33,920
population?

1277
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,800
>> The what?

1278
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,640
>> Some some communities have a seasonal

1279
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,119
license, liquor license. Is that also

1280
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,400
set on population or

1281
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,880
>> they don't have any seasonal licenses?

1282
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,240
So, I'm not sure what

1283
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:45,920
>> if they do, they might have special

1284
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,440
legislation or something because it's

1285
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,640
not a it's not a um standard category of

1286
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,839
license.

1287
00:48:51,839 --> 00:48:55,760
>> Are they trying to um terminate uh the

1288
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,319
legal component of remote and hybrid

1289
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:00,079
meeting?

1290
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,839
>> No, they're trying to make so that it

1291
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:02,559
stays.

1292
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,480
>> I think it expires after a certain

1293
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,319
period and this would expand that or

1294
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:07,119
extend it.

1295
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:10,000
>> I think that the um area that is not

1296
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,680
clear is that local authority over

1297
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,559
liquor licenses.

1298
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:13,920
>> I can find that out.

1299
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,640
>> I mean other than that I'm in support of

1300
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,319
that.

1301
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,319
>> Everyone else agree?

1302
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:21,920
>> And then the final one is invest in

1303
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,160
cities and towns, support strong funding

1304
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,680
and authorizations for municipal

1305
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:26,960
infrastructure, environmental

1306
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,680
protection. All those things are good.

1307
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,720
Mhm.

1308
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,800
>> So, I'll get um some It sounds like the

1309
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,400
board is in support

1310
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,839
>> and I'll get something off to our

1311
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,079
legislators about your thoughts on that.

1312
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:42,160
>> Thank you.

1313
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
>> No, I think we just Yeah. Um ratify the

1314
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,960
community preservation committee chair's

1315
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,880
signature of a contract between the

1316
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,040
community preservation committee and art

1317
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040
fluence for promotion of community

1318
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,280
preservation projects on the town

1319
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,000
website and on social media.

1320
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,359
>> So moved. Second.

1321
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:00,400
>> All those in favor?

1322
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,319
>> I

1323
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:03,920
>> um one thing we did learn from Michelle

1324
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,000
is that they have a component that

1325
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:07,440
they're allowed to spend on

1326
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,599
administrative costs. Oh, you're on that

1327
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:10,000
committee.

1328
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
>> Yeah. Right.

1329
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,760
>> Let me tell you some more about

1330
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,760
something you already know.

1331
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,200
>> Um

1332
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,929
>> it's always good to be reminded.

1333
00:50:18,929 --> 00:50:18,960
[laughter]

1334
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,319
>> Sorry.

1335
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:21,839
ratify the town administrator's

1336
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:23,440
signature of an intermunicipal

1337
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,880
memorandum of understanding between

1338
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,280
Essex and Manchester for Manchester's

1339
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,599
provision of senior transportation

1340
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,040
services.

1341
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,760
>> So moved.

1342
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,400
>> Second.

1343
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,440
>> All those in favor?

1344
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,079
>> I.

1345
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:35,839
>> Thank you for working on that. That was

1346
00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:37,440
>> great. I'm glad we have it.

1347
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,400
>> That simple.

1348
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,240
>> It wasn't that simple, but it's

1349
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,240
definitely more more cost effective than

1350
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:45,040
hiring a private company.

1351
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,319
>> Consider sponsoring the tobacco lake.

1352
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:49,280
Oh, we already did that.

1353
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,280
>> You did that. Tabled that.

1354
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,160
>> Um

1355
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,640
>> Oh, no. That you tabled the license.

1356
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,400
Yeah, you you were in support of this.

1357
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,040
>> Yeah.

1358
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,599
>> Okay. So, agenda. Any agenda items for

1359
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:01,119
the next meeting? And I'm just trying to

1360
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,040
make us think a little bit about this.

1361
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,839
is um

1362
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,520
uh we're getting ready for the October

1363
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,520
19th finalization of the town meeting

1364
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,640
warrant. Um, we do I think we do want to

1365
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,319
meet with the school building committee

1366
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:17,200
to just get a review of the um with the

1367
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,240
finance committee and the board of

1368
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,599
selectment. I don't know when we can do

1369
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:20,240
that because

1370
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:21,920
>> that's not happening on the 5th.

1371
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,440
>> No, we're having our meeting.

1372
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,880
>> They're meeting with Manchester

1373
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,000
officials, the school building

1374
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,400
committee.

1375
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,079
>> We have our own on the 5th. But you'll

1376
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:29,440
be here at your own meeting.

1377
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,000
>> Yeah.

1378
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,240
>> But uh the uh board of public works is

1379
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,319
not meeting with us on the 5th.

1380
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,160
>> They are not. They can't do the fifth

1381
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,680
now. They're looking at potentially the

1382
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,000
8th, the 13th, or the 14th.

1383
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,520
>> Okay.

1384
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,520
I'm wondering if um

1385
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,640
one of the days that we have for the

1386
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:58,230
Manchester or for the Essex um

1387
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,960
school building forum if we want to see

1388
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,880
if we can if you know would would you

1389
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,839
have any interest in having you know a

1390
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:09,520
530 conversation with just

1391
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,119
us at FINCOM and the

1392
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,960
>> just in advance of that? Yeah, I mean

1393
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,720
that just seems to be because the

1394
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,440
calendar is filling up quickly. I just

1395
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,040
am trying to find the dates of all that

1396
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,800
stuff

1397
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,720
and unfortunately there's so much crap

1398
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:26,079
on this Facebook page it's hard to find

1399
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:30,950
the dates.

1400
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,630
Come on.

1401
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,319
Does anyone else know what the dates

1402
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:39,510
are?

1403
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,200
» I can find them.

1404
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,359
>> I'll just I just sorry it's me.

1405
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:45,359
>> So what you're saying is prior to one of

1406
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:46,640
those community meetings.

1407
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,599
>> Yeah. I'm just wondering if that's

1408
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:50,960
okay. There's a community meeting in

1409
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,240
Essex on October 8th. Do we want to ask

1410
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,800
if they can if we can do 5:30? That's

1411
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,960
just kind of a Is a half an hour enough

1412
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,480
or do you want an hour?

1413
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,400
>> You'll get more details in the meeting.

1414
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,760
But um

1415
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,720
that's just an idea.

1416
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,000
The 8th is a Thursday, right? Five, six,

1417
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
seven, eight.

1418
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,319
>> I have a couple things that evening

1419
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:17,200
already.

1420
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:18,640
>> Okay.

1421
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,440
>> And that's one of the dates the board of

1422
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440
public works might want to meet you with

1423
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,280
you separately.

1424
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,079
>> Okay.

1425
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:30,000
>> But it conflicts. Um,

1426
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,559
it's not the 7th. The community meeting

1427
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:33,280
is the 8th.

1428
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,000
>> Yep.

1429
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,599
>> Okay. I'll make sure that I have that

1430
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,200
straight with them with the dates we're

1431
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,400
looking at.

1432
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,880
>> What community meeting?

1433
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,920
Uh the

1434
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,599
>> DPW, remember we're having that. We're

1435
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:44,480
trying to find a new date.

1436
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,680
>> Right. Right. So

1437
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,040
>> we're trying to not have it conflict

1438
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,720
with the school community meeting.

1439
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:55,030
>> Oh, the school meeting. Okay.

1440
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,319
» We can go back to the drawing board on

1441
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,960
dates. See if we can find something.

1442
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,839
>> All right.

1443
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,440
>> Okay. Um

1444
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,119
>> did you want to go back to the employee

1445
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:06,400
and volunteer of the year?

1446
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:07,920
>> Oh, that's right. But any other agenda

1447
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,240
items that we want to make sure we we

1448
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,520
need to meet with the DPW before 13th or

1449
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,520
14th is what you said in that email,

1450
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:15,839
right?

1451
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:17,520
>> Yes. Otherwise, you're not going to have

1452
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:18,400
anything.

1453
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,920
>> Yeah.

1454
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,400
Okay. So, we have let's talk about the

1455
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,319
employee and volunteer of the year. We

1456
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:26,559
do not talk about names. We talk about

1457
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,720
>> right. So, you have volunteer of the

1458
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:32,640
year. There was just one nomination and

1459
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,559
employee of the year. There were two

1460
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:37,040
nominations. So we'll speak of the

1461
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,680
single nominee for volunteer of the year

1462
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960
and you could either say uh nominee one

1463
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,880
or nominee two for employee of the year.

1464
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,480
Do you want to start with volunteer of

1465
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,200
the year since there's only one and

1466
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,839
indicate that you are with

1467
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:54,800
>> nominee number one?

1468
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,760
>> Does anyone want to nominate

1469
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,359
>> volunteer number one?

1470
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,200
>> After reading that nomination, I feel

1471
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,559
like that would be kind of mean.

1472
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,000
>> Yeah.

1473
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,359
>> So with one.

1474
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:09,599
>> Can I uh do we have to make a motion?

1475
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:10,160
>> Yes.

1476
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,200
>> Okay. So, can I have a motion to award

1477
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,480
the volunteer of the year to um

1478
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,119
>> nominee one?

1479
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:18,319
>> Candidate number one.

1480
00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:19,280
>> Yep.

1481
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,839
>> So, moved.

1482
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:20,319
>> Second.

1483
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:21,359
>> All in favor?

1484
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:21,920
>> I.

1485
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,440
>> A worthy candidate.

1486
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:23,760
>> Yes.

1487
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,280
>> Nice letter.

1488
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,839
>> And then there were two um and I need to

1489
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:30,319
make sure that I know

1490
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,720
which is which.

1491
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,640
>> Yep. There were two for employee of the

1492
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,280
year.

1493
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,630
>> Y

1494
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:39,599
» um

1495
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,760
>> both longstanding um employees, but one

1496
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,630
a lot longer than the other.

1497
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,480
» Um

1498
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,400
I'm leaning towards employee number one.

1499
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,880
>> Nominate number one.

1500
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,520
>> My preference is nominee number one.

1501
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:00,799
>> Okay.

1502
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:04,000
Uh, can I have a motion to approve

1503
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,119
nominee number one for the employee of

1504
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,160
the year?

1505
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:08,960
>> So moved.

1506
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,599
>> Second.

1507
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:10,799
>> All in favor?

1508
00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:11,760
>> I.

1509
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,960
>> And that was again a

1510
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,400
um both very worthy.

1511
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:17,520
>> Yes.

1512
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:18,000
>> Y

1513
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,160
>> thank you.

1514
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,599
Um and we are waiting for the board of

1515
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,920
engineers to come to talk to us.

1516
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,280
>> You have some appointments.

1517
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,280
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Can I have a motion to

1518
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,720
approve the fire department partial

1519
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,680
one-year term ending 630 2027

1520
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,160
appointments of Craig Cole for pro

1521
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,480
probationary firefighter EMT, Todd

1522
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Rogers for probationary firefighter EMT

1523
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,440
and Joseph McGillicuy, probationary

1524
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,079
firefighter EMT.

1525
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:48,559
>> Second.

1526
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:49,599
>> All those in favor?

1527
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,400
>> I thank you very much to these gentlemen

1528
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,720
for coming forward.

1529
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,599
And then um if it's okay, can I just

1530
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,520
mention the reminders even though it's

1531
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,319
not the end of the meeting?

1532
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:03,280
>> Yes. Yeah.

1533
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,680
>> Okay. So um tomorrow night, the 29th is

1534
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,359
the visioning um meeting here in this

1535
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:15,440
room at 6:30. Um there's also a remote

1536
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,160
meeting option that is offered by 1623

1537
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,160
and we can uh those have been posted on

1538
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,680
social media. Thank you for promoting

1539
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,160
those. Um, but this is an important

1540
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,640
meeting for both businesses and um

1541
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,960
residents to come in and talk about what

1542
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,559
they'd like to see downtown. And do you

1543
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:31,760
want to say anything to it?

1544
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,839
>> Uh, the survey was extended till 10 p.m.

1545
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,000
tonight. It originally closed at 2, but

1546
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,040
Colleen opened at till 10 p.m. tonight.

1547
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280
So there's still time if

1548
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,440
>> all of you out there who are watching

1549
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,559
>> in the viewing public, all two of you,

1550
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,920
>> one of which is 1623

1551
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,400
[laughter]

1552
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:50,880
um

1553
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,119
>> sent a bunch of texts today, too. So

1554
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:56,079
>> thank you. The the library is having its

1555
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,240
new patio and garden ribbon cutting on

1556
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,200
Saturday, October 3rd at 9:30 from 9:30

1557
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,440
to 10:30. It's beautiful. We should try

1558
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,680
to get out there and see it. Our next

1559
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,640
meeting is Monday, October 5th at 6 PM

1560
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,000
here back.

1561
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,760
>> And then um the fall 2026 Greater KPN

1562
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,599
caucus will be held on Friday, October

1563
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:17,119
23rd

1564
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,599
from 12:30 to 2 at the Rockport

1565
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:21,680
Community House at 58 Broadway in

1566
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,799
Rockport. And I will reiterate the um

1567
00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:30,400
the 8th and the 13th for um building

1568
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,720
committee updates and community

1569
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,880
meetings. and it's a good time to go and

1570
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,359
learn about the project which is coming

1571
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:40,720
up for a vote in October.

1572
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,920
>> Okay. Thank you.

1573
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,599
>> And then I have an update for the board.

1574
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:45,119
There was an announcement from the board

1575
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,280
of assessors remember at your last

1576
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,440
meeting about how they're going around

1577
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,839
and reassessing property values. The

1578
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:53,440
board had a number of questions which

1579
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,000
will also be instructive to the public.

1580
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,240
Um the question was does this process

1581
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,559
happen every three years? The answer,

1582
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,880
the cyclical property inspection program

1583
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,040
is based on a 10-year cycle. The

1584
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,880
assessors may inspect properties more

1585
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:12,000
frequently when necessary or appropriate based on factors

1586
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,760
including but not limited to building

1587
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,680
permits, changes to a property, unique

1588
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,839
structures or layouts, mixeduse

1589
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,400
commercial properties or requests from

1590
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,440
uh property owners. Question, does this

1591
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,920
involve all properties in the town? The

1592
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,079
cyclical property inspection program is

1593
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:29,839
intended to provide for the inspection

1594
00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:31,839
of all properties in the town over the

1595
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:34,079
10-year cycle. However, not every

1596
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:35,760
property will be inspected during this

1597
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,400
particular round of inspections. The

1598
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,480
assessors prioritize properties based on

1599
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,079
where they fall within the 10-year

1600
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:45,040
cycle, as well as other factors.

1601
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Question, when will the inspections

1602
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,960
begin? Computer work and property

1603
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:50,880
research are scheduled to begin at the

1604
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,119
end of September with field inspections

1605
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:56,000
beginning on October 2nd. Data collector

1606
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,920
Nate Kramer will have proper

1607
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,680
identification with him while conducting

1608
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,000
inspections. The Essex Police Department

1609
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,520
and other town departments have been

1610
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,480
notified of the inspection program. Two

1611
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,079
members of the board of assessors will

1612
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,400
also accompany Mr. Kramer on some of the

1613
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,880
inspections. Question: Will there be any

1614
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,280
prior notice to property owners? Yes,

1615
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,040
the assessors have provided advanced

1616
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,799
public notice of the inspection program.

1617
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:20,240
Information has been shared at

1618
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,640
selectment meetings, posted on the town

1619
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,400
website under town news, and made

1620
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,960
available on the assessor's web page.

1621
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Information has also been posted on the

1622
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,880
town clerk's bulletin board and shared

1623
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,280
with the police department. So, those

1624
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,960
are some follow-ups to what you had

1625
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,880
asked at the last meeting.

1626
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,160
>> Thank you.

1627
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,119
>> I think the issue was just like

1628
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:44,480
having your home ready for public

1629
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,480
viewing, you know, like there's some

1630
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,839
rough days in our house. I don't know

1631
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,720
about you guys, but [snorts]

1632
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,640
um Okay. And um

1633
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,520
we're waiting for folks from the board

1634
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,599
of engineers and the finance committee.

1635
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:30,390
>> Yes.

1636
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,240
I'll ask you a question because it's

1637
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,000
relevant but we had um

1638
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,400
you had given us two copies of the

1639
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,040
descript job description

1640
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:46,319
and I think this is the this this is the

1641
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,799
um markedup draft

1642
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:51,680
And this but it ends up being this.

1643
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,000
>> It's this is like the track changes one.

1644
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,920
>> This is track changes. But not

1645
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,599
everything on the original one I did was stripped out. So the only way to

1646
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,280
really look at it is the track changes

1647
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,680
one. So you can see what was there and

1648
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,319
what came out. And as we go through it,

1649
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,400
I have a number of places where I want

1650
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,640
to call people's attention to and some

1651
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,079
questions to ask. That's in addition to

1652
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,720
how much of the condensed version is

1653
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,040
being kept versus

1654
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:24,720
>> Yes. It's uh very structured the first

1655
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,760
version than I did, but it is also much

1656
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:28,720
more detailed.

1657
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:29,280
>> Yeah.

1658
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,640
>> And you don't lose anything in

1659
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:31,280
translation.

1660
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,599
>> That's kind of Yeah. Okay.

1661
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:34,079
>> Hi.

1662
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:34,559
>> Hello.

1663
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,000
>> Hi.

1664
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,440
>> It's okay. I'll grab some chair.

1665
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:45,109
>> We finished the rest of our meeting.

1666
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:50,150
How are you?

1667
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,680
» Well, we were you were in charge. It was

1668
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:56,950
a busy meeting. We got through them. So,

1669
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:11,349
» sorry. I'll do better next time.

1670
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:12,400
camera or something.

1671
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:13,520
>> Yeah, don't worry about it. We're just

1672
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:20,150
talking.

1673
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,440
» Change gears.

1674
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,359
>> Is Christian here not tonight or No,

1675
01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:32,789
>> he was he was downstairs.

1676
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:34,640
» All right.

1677
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,359
So, the first discussion item for this

1678
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,920
group when everyone arrives, come on up.

1679
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,349
Um,

1680
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:47,520
» has to do with um

1681
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,280
current and future operating budget and

1682
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,119
the draft position description.

1683
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:55,990
>> Bernie,

1684
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,880
» we're also going to discuss um public

1685
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,119
funding for town events or events that

1686
01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:06,950
are held within the town.

1687
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,400
Okay. So, we want to wait for Christian

1688
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,480
to talk about the job description, don't

1689
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,520
we?

1690
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:12,960
>> Yeah. You're going to want him probably

1691
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,160
for everything that we're going to talk

1692
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:23,430
about.

1693
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,720
I think I'm going to ask you one

1694
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,280
question that I don't necessarily need

1695
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,079
him for, but there's a difference in

1696
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:33,520
language um of call force and all call.

1697
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,359
What is the term that we want to use

1698
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:36,960
throughout?

1699
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Well, an all call department is a

1700
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,000
department where people get paid

1701
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,880
when they get summoned for a for

1702
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,559
emergency,

1703
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,280
for training, for any reason that the

1704
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,400
department needs them.

1705
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,400
>> If you talk about paid on call,

1706
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,559
you could be talking about a situation

1707
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:03,119
where somebody is paid even if they're

1708
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:04,880
not there. Now, we already have some of

1709
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,440
that

1710
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,319
>> because our night coverage is paid on

1711
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:10,079
call. We're talking about the difference

1712
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:11,200
between

1713
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,119
>> generally calling the fire department

1714
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:15,280
and all call department versus a paid on

1715
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,520
call department. I don't think it's a

1716
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,440
paid on call department. You have paid

1717
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,200
on call features built in.

1718
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,520
Um, but generally it's a call fire

1719
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,680
department. Is that correct? Yeah, paid

1720
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,480
on call I think would uh denote someone

1721
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,559
being there like full-time and then kind

1722
01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:35,200
of that hybrid model like Hamilton or

1723
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,760
Wenom where they have call and um

1724
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,119
full-time.

1725
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,559
>> You do have people at night who agree to

1726
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:45,200
take a stipend so that they're at the

1727
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,200
ready, but that's really not even the

1728
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,359
same thing. So I think as we start to

1729
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:51,200
discuss it, we just keep that in mind.

1730
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:51,520
>> Yeah.

1731
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,119
>> So do you want to talk about the

1732
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,119
position description first or the budget

1733
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,359
part? Let's talk about the the job

1734
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:00,240
description first. Um because there's

1735
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,799
it's complicated and um I thought we

1736
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:05,039
could go chunk by chunk if that's okay.

1737
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,280
>> Do you want to lead this conversation?

1738
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,720
>> So I did um as the board of fire

1739
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,720
engineers is aware a um detailed job

1740
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,920
description that's based on three other

1741
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,920
communities job descriptions that have

1742
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,559
all called fire departments.

1743
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,960
The board of fire engineers was asked to

1744
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,960
take a look at that. They came up with

1745
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,400
what they called their condensed

1746
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,400
position description.

1747
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,280
Since it was not necessarily easy to

1748
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,760
compare between the two, I then went and

1749
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,799
put them both on one document. So, it's

1750
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,400
a redlinined document. And before we get

1751
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,359
into other details, I had some questions

1752
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:49,200
for the group. Um

1753
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,559
on the second page of the

1754
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:56,880
uh redline document toward the bottom it

1755
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,280
talks about um fire chief's authority

1756
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,119
and it says town bylaws personnel

1757
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:03,520
policies. Then it says and collective

1758
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:05,760
bargaining agreements

1759
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,960
um as they may apply in the future.

1760
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,440
Um there is no collective bargaining

1761
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,680
agreement right now.

1762
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,920
I'm not sure that this is something that

1763
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,280
we should put in the position

1764
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,680
description because as it comes along,

1765
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,920
if it ever came along, it would it would

1766
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:25,200
automatically be part of the person's

1767
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,920
position. Um, so think think about that.

1768
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,520
Also, there is a chain of command on the

1769
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,359
next page that says chief to deputy

1770
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,520
chief, captains, lieutenants,

1771
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,920
firefighters, and EMTs.

1772
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,760
I think that the new chief

1773
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,520
is going needs to have a chance to look

1774
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,200
at the entire lay of the land and

1775
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,760
determine what that will look like. We

1776
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,440
generally don't put chain of command in

1777
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,079
a position description.

1778
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:55,920
Um

1779
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,880
>> can we stop one second to look at um

1780
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,400
some other things that are different?

1781
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,559
>> Yeah. So under the chief's authorities

1782
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:06,319
derived from there's um a number of

1783
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:10,079
things but there seems to be more

1784
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,480
in this document

1785
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,440
>> right so OEMS EMS regulations that

1786
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:18,719
wasn't in there and I think that's

1787
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:20,159
appropriate

1788
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,400
>> mass DLS um safety standards so there's

1789
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,679
OSHA but then there's also the the state

1790
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:31,120
um agency that that now actually can

1791
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,560
enforce standard those OSHA standards on

1792
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,880
a community.

1793
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,319
Um, and then they added NFPA standards

1794
01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,159
alignment and they list certain

1795
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:43,600
standards and I think that's also

1796
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,560
appropriate.

1797
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,080
>> And I guess my question is

1798
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,159
right before it was very explicit,

1799
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:51,920
right? It was really detailed and there

1800
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,400
was like a wall of text with all of

1801
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,159
these kind of laid out. Is that would

1802
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,279
that be an an accurate

1803
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,279
like description of that. Now they're

1804
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:02,159
kind of condensed.

1805
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:05,199
>> If you see it in um

1806
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:08,319
>> pink, it was in there.

1807
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:10,400
>> If you see it in pink, it was in there.

1808
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,920
Exactly. Uh but if you also see it in

1809
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,159
non-bolded regular text, it was already

1810
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,199
in there, too.

1811
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:18,480
>> And I just wonder, is it okay

1812
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:20,080
>> that's taking out? The pink is taking

1813
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:20,640
out.

1814
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,759
>> The white

1815
01:09:21,759 --> 01:09:24,000
>> text that looks like that is something

1816
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,880
that was already in there, but it wasn't

1817
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,960
>> proposed for taking out. I guess I'm

1818
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,719
asking somebody like Nick, when you look

1819
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:35,600
at a job description that just refers to

1820
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,400
the Mass General law instead of breaking

1821
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,199
it out into detail, does that matter? I

1822
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:44,640
mean, and it it doesn't. So,

1823
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,120
>> I think it's getting getting into the

1824
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:47,440
>> Yeah.

1825
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,759
>> Okay. So, you you got and you think from

1826
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:51,839
a municipal standpoint, it's okay to

1827
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:54,719
just refer to the to the different

1828
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,719
>> that they'll get it that they know.

1829
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,320
>> Yeah. if they don't know the NFPA

1830
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,800
standards, we got bigger problems. But

1831
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,040
we did talk about it as a board, right?

1832
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,320
So, it basically allows us to and and we

1833
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:07,760
did some research into the standards

1834
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,159
that were cited and it covers a lot of

1835
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,640
the safety stuff. It covers a lot of the

1836
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,880
um you know, hazards that they may be

1837
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:18,159
going into and expectations and all that

1838
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,360
stuff. So it's also helpful because if

1839
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,798
we get finite or granular

1840
01:10:24,798 --> 01:10:25,360
[snorts]

1841
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,080
uh we could kind of outdate ourselves a

1842
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,840
little bit whereas if we're citing the

1843
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:30,880
standards the standards are

1844
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,080
automatically going to be updated and

1845
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:33,840
they're still held accountable to X.

1846
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,199
>> Oh that's a very good point. Okay

1847
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:36,880
thanks.

1848
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,280
>> So with that what are we looking for?

1849
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,440
They have a bulleted list. Is that what

1850
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:44,480
you're looking to retain in the final

1851
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,440
position description?

1852
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,239
I would say yes.

1853
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:52,159
>> I I would say yes. I would leave out

1854
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:54,159
collective bargaining agreements. That's

1855
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,440
my sticking point.

1856
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:57,120
>> We don't have I mean I don't have a

1857
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,800
problem with that. I think like you

1858
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,520
said, if it's if it's going to be if

1859
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:02,880
it's something that comes down the road,

1860
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,239
then it gets added down the road.

1861
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:07,199
>> Statutory relationship. So

1862
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:08,640
>> I don't want to speak for I mean there's

1863
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,390
three people here. So

1864
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,270
» Okay. Next is supervision.

1865
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,719
Yep. Um,

1866
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:24,400
this was condensed down to under the

1867
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:25,760
direction of the board of selecting

1868
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,600
consults with town administrator on

1869
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,320
administrative procedures, whereas it

1870
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:34,239
was more detailed prior to that. And I

1871
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:36,080
would actually want to get in there, no

1872
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,520
matter how we work this out, I want to

1873
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,159
get in there that the fire chief reports

1874
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,760
to the board of selectment,

1875
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,199
which the statute that could be adopted

1876
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:48,239
>> explicitly says.

1877
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,080
>> Can you say reports to and serves at the

1878
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:51,040
direction?

1879
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,080
>> Yeah, you could say reports to and

1880
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,600
serves at the pleasure or at the

1881
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,199
direction.

1882
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,520
Um, you know, the original was more

1883
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:05,600
wordy. what is being proposed is is more

1884
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,120
brief and it almost it's it's like

1885
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,320
um focusing on administrative procedures

1886
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,400
whereas

1887
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,159
the section was intended to be

1888
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:18,320
supervision in its entirety

1889
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,920
>> and there's more than administrative

1890
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:23,120
procedures involved with that.

1891
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,000
Should there be?

1892
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,280
>> Probably not.

1893
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,480
>> You want to bring back some of that

1894
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:31,760
text?

1895
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:32,480
>> I do.

1896
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,280
>> Okay.

1897
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,960
My understanding is that you guys got

1898
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,199
feedback from the company yesterday. Has

1899
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:40,880
that been incorporated in this? So, I'm

1900
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,480
assuming that we're still in a draft

1901
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:43,280
phase.

1902
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:44,960
>> Yeah, we are still in the draft. We have

1903
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,040
not incorporated

1904
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,480
uh one person's advice. I don't think

1905
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:52,400
we've had a chance to get the other one

1906
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,520
incorporated. So,

1907
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,880
>> so we have some room to

1908
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,880
>> So, and we're, you know, just to set the

1909
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,239
stage,

1910
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,880
>> we sent back the abbreviated version

1911
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,040
with the understanding of it still needs

1912
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,480
massaging, right? We're not I don't

1913
01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:05,840
think there's too much in there that

1914
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,800
we're

1915
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,320
>> very like, oh my gosh.

1916
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:09,600
>> We think we need a process to move

1917
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,159
forward. I think we need probably one

1918
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,640
person from the board of fire engineers

1919
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,120
and me to sit down after we have this

1920
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,199
general discussion and come up with okay

1921
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,280
this is it so that everyone can feel

1922
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,280
confident and you could potentially even

1923
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,800
adopt this at your next meeting which is

1924
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,600
a week from today. Okay, I think that'd

1925
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:28,640
be great.

1926
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:37,110
>> U but just some other highlights. Um

1927
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,239
it talks about scheduling of scheduling

1928
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,640
and assignments.

1929
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,760
There you're speaking of assigning work

1930
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,000
tasks, right? Not like you are the sole

1931
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,719
firefighter in charge of this, right?

1932
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:54,480
>> Is that right? Okay.

1933
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,360
Um

1934
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,560
there's a disciplinary thing in here

1935
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,560
um that talks about the chief retaining

1936
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,640
authority to impose discipline except

1937
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,640
termination. Um since

1938
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,440
not only the chief but the firefighters

1939
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,920
are and will still be appointed by the

1940
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,400
board of selectmen, any discipline

1941
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,719
actually has to be meed out by the board

1942
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:22,239
of selectmen. So that can't be a thing.

1943
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,560
um because they're the appointing

1944
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,239
authority and there's

1945
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,719
>> so that can is there an ability for them

1946
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:32,960
to have any level of discipline at all

1947
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:34,080
and it's just a question.

1948
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,600
>> No,

1949
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,880
beyond beyond perhaps

1950
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,719
these are in our this is in our policies

1951
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:42,239
and procedures. we're giving you a

1952
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,719
warning. But if you're actually going to

1953
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:47,360
impose discipline, doesn't matter who it

1954
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,040
is in the town, their appointing

1955
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,400
authority is the only entity that can

1956
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,520
impose discipline. And in fact, okay, so

1957
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:56,960
let's talk about the police department.

1958
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,560
We've had police officers that have been

1959
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,719
disciplined in the past. That arrives

1960
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,480
back at the board of selectmen sometimes

1961
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:04,880
in executive session. It's just the way

1962
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,880
it is. Okay. Um, I think that's

1963
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,800
different if it was a strong chief, but

1964
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,480
that's not what we're looking at here.

1965
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,000
>> So, do you need to break that out and be

1966
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,679
a little bit more explicit about that?

1967
01:15:15,679 --> 01:15:16,239
>> Thanks.

1968
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:20,239
>> Um, and then, uh,

1969
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:22,080
>> I mean, I think maybe that's something

1970
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,400
we can at least try to

1971
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,360
>> I'd just like to kind of circle back to

1972
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,880
that at some, you know, smaller group.

1973
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:29,840
>> We'll have a talk. I mean, is it going

1974
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,440
to be you and I that sit? Is it going to

1975
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:32,480
be you?

1976
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:33,520
>> Is it going to be me and one of the

1977
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,120
other guys? I What do you want to do?

1978
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,840
I'm happy to do it, but I would defer to

1979
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,920
again the group to make sure that we're

1980
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,440
I'm not just saying, "Oh, I'll do it."

1981
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:47,189
And someone else wants to do it. So,

1982
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,719
» sure. Uh, Wednesday.

1983
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:50,000
>> It's tomorrow.

1984
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,040
>> That's unfortunate.

1985
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,960
>> Okay. So, you'll let me know tomorrow.

1986
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,532
>> Tomorrow's Tuesday.

1987
01:15:57,542 --> 01:15:57,760
[laughter]

1988
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,120
>> So, you'll let me know. You'll let me

1989
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,600
know. All right. We talked about on call

1990
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:07,510
versus paid on call. Um

1991
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,199
I I think we should add in here

1992
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,120
participation in the KAN regional

1993
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,520
emergency planning committee. It wasn't

1994
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:15,360
I I don't think it was specifically in

1995
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,440
here, but it's become a very important

1996
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:18,320
thing.

1997
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,080
>> That's on number seven.

1998
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,480
>> Also, is the mutual aid is not is that

1999
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:23,760
something that needs to be noted

2000
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:28,229
anywhere?

2001
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,080
» You're saying that it came out? I just

2002
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,560
didn't see it in I'm I was I was focused

2003
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,280
on this one.

2004
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,080
>> Right.

2005
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,000
>> So I don't know if that needs to be

2006
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,199
teased out or not.

2007
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,199
>> Mutually from what perspective?

2008
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,199
>> Um I think it's about the coordination

2009
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:42,080
and

2010
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,520
>> sections have an inter agency

2011
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,840
coordination and public engagement. Well

2012
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,760
certainly inter agency coordination

2013
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:49,360
mutual aid. I think we find a way to

2014
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:49,840
cover it.

2015
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,760
>> Yeah. And there

2016
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,440
>> and that I mean that's done organically

2017
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,840
at the the Essex County Chief's meetings

2018
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,760
anyways. That's where it takes place as

2019
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:58,080
long.

2020
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,719
>> And then in that same section, is it

2021
01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:03,280
really essential to have this person

2022
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:04,800
signing up for and going to

2023
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,040
International Association of Fire Chiefs

2024
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,520
and New England Fire Chiefs Association?

2025
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,520
I can see Essex County and I can see

2026
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,080
Mass Association of Fire Chiefs, but the

2027
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,440
other two, isn't that just taking the

2028
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:20,320
person away for more things when perhaps

2029
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,800
the first two would be sufficient? I

2030
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,719
don't know. But that's what came to my

2031
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:25,199
mind.

2032
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,600
>> Yeah. You know, Nick, feel free to weigh

2033
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,560
in. I mean, I've gone to IFAC and and um

2034
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,239
you know, I've gone to a few of them uh

2035
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:37,120
more on my other employers dime. Uh and

2036
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,960
I have found them, you know, from a a

2037
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,560
development standpoint of leadership.

2038
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,640
You know, I would certainly be selective

2039
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,320
with them because not all are created

2040
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,679
equal, but uh I do feel it's the fire

2041
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:50,480
service is actually changing, which is a

2042
01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:54,159
change. Um but it's important to kind of

2043
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,560
stay current. The issue though is we do

2044
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,480
not we do not have a budget to send

2045
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,480
people to wherever they're going to have

2046
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:03,840
this thing, get a plane fair. It's it's

2047
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:08,000
not really a thing. Uh so there is one

2048
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,800
in Connecticut which is you know and we

2049
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,040
can discuss it further. Um you know kind

2050
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,640
of offline

2051
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:18,640
um I think that's um

2052
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,480
>> yeah Mohein Sun has a pretty lowc cost

2053
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:24,480
one but again maybe it was the first two

2054
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:25,120
description.

2055
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,560
>> Yeah, we could say the first two and

2056
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,679
then others as as as selected by the

2057
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:31,360
board of selectman from time to time or

2058
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:34,320
something like that.

2059
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:35,840
>> Obviously, you want your fire to stay

2060
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,679
current with everything and they do that

2061
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:39,440
through conferences to find new

2062
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:43,669
technology.

2063
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,679
» They network, they do all that stuff. I

2064
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:47,440
mean,

2065
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:49,199
>> when they're in Hawaii, does everyone

2066
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,120
everybody want to go? Yeah, sure. When

2067
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:52,640
they're in North Dakota, does everybody

2068
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,280
want to go? No. No. So, I think a I

2069
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,440
think a happy medium there is we'll come

2070
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:01,040
up with wording there. Um,

2071
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,640
>> do they zoom?

2072
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,159
>> No. No.

2073
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:05,920
>> Then there's a list of things that were

2074
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,800
added. Um, new section job performance

2075
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,400
requirements.

2076
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,719
Number five will live within Essex or in

2077
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:14,480
a budding community or within a

2078
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:16,719
reasonable response time as determined

2079
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:18,400
by the board of selectment. This one's

2080
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,520
very important because you're going to

2081
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,239
get applicants from far and wide and it

2082
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,400
is an important consideration, but you

2083
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,480
really need to nail this one down

2084
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,719
because we need to know as people apply

2085
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,239
whether they're really eligible,

2086
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:30,560
>> right?

2087
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:31,600
>> Do you have thoughts about this?

2088
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,040
>> I have very strong thoughts on this.

2089
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:33,280
[laughter]

2090
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,199
>> I couldn't tell.

2091
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,280
>> The median home value in this town is

2092
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,239
upwards of a million dollars. I know the

2093
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,440
salary being discussed is $120,000.

2094
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:46,239
I wasn't very good at math, but that's

2095
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,239
not it's not If you make him live in

2096
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:50,480
this town, there's no way. It's not

2097
01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:51,040
happening.

2098
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,280
>> Okay. But it's So, let's talk about the

2099
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,800
language. We live We'll live within

2100
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,640
Essis or in a budding community.

2101
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,920
>> Okay.

2102
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,120
>> Are you going to give him a vehicle to

2103
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,120
travel to and from work with to respond

2104
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,679
to emergency um incidents because he's

2105
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,159
on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week,

2106
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:07,920
365 days a year?

2107
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:08,800
>> Yeah.

2108
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,960
>> There's there's tra there's trade-offs,

2109
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,280
>> right?

2110
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,239
>> Um you could you say we'll live within a

2111
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,760
reasonable response time.

2112
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,840
>> What's reasonable?

2113
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:23,040
>> You specifics? Um, I don't know. I mean,

2114
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,159
I'm This is your I mean, you tell us

2115
01:20:26,159 --> 01:20:26,640
what

2116
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,239
>> reasonable for chief

2117
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:31,520
>> chief. I mean, it it it depends. I mean,

2118
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,520
my full-time job, my chief lives in he

2119
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,880
lives in town. I live here. Um, the

2120
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,480
chief in Ipsswitch lives in Salem, New

2121
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:41,360
Hampshire. Is that reasonable?

2122
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:44,880
>> No. might have it in his contract that

2123
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,960
he can live so far away as long as his

2124
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,679
deputy chief lives in town. I mean,

2125
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:50,640
these are things,

2126
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,199
>> right?

2127
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,120
>> I guess the expectation for me is like

2128
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,760
what what are you expecting this person

2129
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,000
to respond to when it's not office

2130
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,440
hours? Do you know what I mean? Like,

2131
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:01,120
are you expecting this person to drive

2132
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,080
from Salem down or are they just saying

2133
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,080
you got this?

2134
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:07,760
Do you know what I'm saying? Could you

2135
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,520
put in per within 30 minutes and then

2136
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,760
you know if you got a superstar and you

2137
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,960
had to adjust that to 40 minutes it is

2138
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,320
like Nick just gave an example

2139
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,239
chief is an hour away.

2140
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:29,910
>> Yeah.

2141
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,000
» Technically chief is just supposed to

2142
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,679
show up and sign everybody's paycheck

2143
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:37,510
right.

2144
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:38,880
Which is funny because you guys have

2145
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,800
just delineated that you want a working

2146
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,880
fire chief.

2147
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,159
>> Want a working fire chief or do you want

2148
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:45,679
a guy that does office work Monday

2149
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:46,960
through Friday and then goes home and

2150
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:47,679
clocks out for the

2151
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,679
>> Want a working chief?

2152
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:50,080
>> Okay.

2153
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,159
>> So, this should be

2154
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,080
>> I like the preference idea. Can we do

2155
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,719
that with a pre Well,

2156
01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:59,360
>> preference for all three of these. No,

2157
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:02,000
>> with response with with where they live

2158
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,280
>> where they live in response. You have

2159
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,560
to, if you're going to do that, you'd

2160
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,000
have to say they need to live in this

2161
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:06,480
box.

2162
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:06,960
>> Okay?

2163
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,800
>> You can't cuz they're going to come in

2164
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,880
and they're going to say, "I'm as

2165
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:12,719
qualified or more qualified than this

2166
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,400
other person." And you can't be

2167
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,080
wishy-washy that you threw them out

2168
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,120
because of something that was not

2169
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,199
>> nailed down. It's going to be based on

2170
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:22,560
who's the most qualified.

2171
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:23,360
>> Yeah.

2172
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,600
>> And to Nick's point, what about is the

2173
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,679
vehicle going to come into question if

2174
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:29,760
>> Well, that's the thing. I mean, you

2175
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:31,600
know, our police chief has has a

2176
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:36,239
vehicle. Is that is that different? Um,

2177
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:37,679
our police chief has always had a

2178
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:39,679
vehicle. The fire department has not had

2179
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:41,600
that because we haven't had a full-time

2180
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,920
chief. But it is an expensive

2181
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,199
proposition.

2182
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:49,120
>> It's usually a larger SUV that I see

2183
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,760
used. And I think you probably want to

2184
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,239
hear from the finance committee about that because

2185
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:58,320
uh let's go back to the to the uh

2186
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,480
superintendent of public works. We had

2187
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,159
some people who probably would have

2188
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:04,239
taken the job if if you were going to

2189
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,480
give them a vehicle, but they wanted to

2190
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:08,400
be like live in like Wilmington or

2191
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,679
Tukbury

2192
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:11,760
>> and commute back and forth on the town's

2193
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,000
dime. And the board was like no I mean

2194
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,840
no

2195
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:17,679
u this is different. I mean, all three

2196
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:19,920
of those positions have a role in an

2197
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,880
emergency, but at what level does the

2198
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:27,040
town of Essex want to put up for

2199
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,800
those response capabilities?

2200
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:30,800
>> I think we said when we were talking

2201
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,800
about this that we did not want to talk

2202
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:36,080
about the truck or some sort of vehicle.

2203
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:36,880
Now,

2204
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,639
>> that's what we did say.

2205
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:42,560
>> Is there any current vehicle in the

2206
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,189
fleet that could serve as that?

2207
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:49,199
Yeah, you could get away with squad two,

2208
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:51,040
which is the pickup truck.

2209
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:51,840
>> It's a be

2210
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,920
>> She's a be Clark. But yes, as a start,

2211
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,239
yeah, I know a lot of fire departments

2212
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:00,400
to get started. Some take donated

2213
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,239
vehicles down as the police department

2214
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,560
starts to rotate their cars down.

2215
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,320
Manchester did that to start.

2216
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:09,199
But again, that's

2217
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:10,639
>> So you could consider that, but you

2218
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,159
could also consider that the police

2219
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:14,239
department at one point in the early

2220
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,080
days did not did not have a chief's

2221
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,239
vehicle either. And so maybe you start

2222
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:19,840
with nothing. Maybe you start with some

2223
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,600
donated thing. There's still going to be

2224
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,199
maintenance and gas. And depending on

2225
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,199
how far away the person lives, you may

2226
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:26,639
or may not want to live with that.

2227
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:29,199
>> Could you use that as a negotiation

2228
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:31,679
um factor if you found somebody and we

2229
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:34,239
needed to come up with something?

2230
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,400
>> Well, clearly it became a factor in the

2231
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,800
superintendent thing. This is a little

2232
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,280
different.

2233
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:39,840
>> Yeah.

2234
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,040
>> Um, yeah, you could. You could, but the

2235
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,560
finance committee is going to want

2236
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,560
>> But could we?

2237
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,480
>> I don't know where the money come from.

2238
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:50,400
>> I'm talking about if we had a a vehicle

2239
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,159
that was already here

2240
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:52,639
>> currently.

2241
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:55,750
>> Yeah.

2242
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:56,719
» Mean the vehicle

2243
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:58,480
>> something to consider. Yeah. Certainly

2244
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,400
the position description is not going to

2245
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,239
say you get a vehicle. Okay.

2246
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,239
>> And you get a vehicle. Yeah. that's

2247
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:05,840
going to be worked out when the person

2248
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,600
wants to negotiate a contract because

2249
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,440
that's normally where it gets named if

2250
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:11,040
it gets in at all.

2251
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,120
>> So, do we want to remove the where

2252
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,040
you'll live?

2253
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,560
>> Well, right now it says we we'll live

2254
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,639
within Essex or an abuing community or

2255
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,560
within a reasonable response time as

2256
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,560
determined by the board of selectmen.

2257
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,560
I'm bringing that up now so that you're

2258
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,400
not surprised later to say, "Well, wait

2259
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,800
a minute. We have to determine this."

2260
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,639
>> You could try to nail it down now. You

2261
01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:32,080
could just say, "Well, okay, we realize

2262
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,920
that and we'd rather have more

2263
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,600
applicants than less."

2264
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,480
>> Okay.

2265
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:40,080
>> You could model it after the civil

2266
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,440
service language as well that says

2267
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:43,760
within 15 miles as the crow flies. That

2268
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,920
actually gets you into parts of

2269
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:46,480
>> New Hampshire,

2270
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:48,159
>> southern New Hampshire. Seabbrook, New

2271
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:51,280
Hampshire is 15 miles directly across

2272
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:52,560
>> and that's going to get you places like

2273
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,560
Beverly, I would imagine, certainly

2274
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,719
Gloucester. And so now you're in you've

2275
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:58,639
got a mix of places where somebody could

2276
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:00,719
live and there's a mix of affordability.

2277
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:03,360
>> Okay,

2278
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,360
>> it's not a bad idea.

2279
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,159
We'll put some um we'll put some

2280
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:10,560
optional language in when when we come

2281
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:14,800
back next time so that you can choose

2282
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:23,990
um

2283
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,199
in the place where it talks about

2284
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,520
required education training experience

2285
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:33,030
versus preferred.

2286
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,280
It says in preferred experience,

2287
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:36,960
supervising, call or combination

2288
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,040
departments. I understand that certainly

2289
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,679
would would be preferred. Do you want

2290
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:44,480
all of your applicants to have that

2291
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:46,880
experience because they're going to be

2292
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,040
managing a call department or are you

2293
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,679
willing to deal with someone who has

2294
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:55,120
never been in that culture? I'm not so

2295
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:56,400
sure that's a great idea.

2296
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,840
>> It's preferred.

2297
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,520
>> Yes, but you want to make it minimal.

2298
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,280
You you'd rather hear from that person

2299
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,120
is what you're saying. Okay.

2300
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,080
>> Yeah. And I think the the language in

2301
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,800
there is management of, right? So you

2302
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,639
could be on a call department and not

2303
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,239
necessarily managed a call department

2304
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,880
and still have the culture. So

2305
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:16,719
>> okay.

2306
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:18,960
Uh let's see.

2307
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:24,400
I think under where it talks about um

2308
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,000
there are places where it says paid on

2309
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,840
call throughout and we we're going to

2310
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:32,639
clarify that. Um there was under skills

2311
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,800
there were you know there was discussion

2312
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,280
of certain software and if this comes

2313
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,920
back in I want to add Northshore 911

2314
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,639
software anything that they deal with.

2315
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:46,149
Um

2316
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,320
those are the specific things that I

2317
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,800
had. I would say generally we went from

2318
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:53,120
something that was super detailed to

2319
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,480
something that I think is super

2320
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,480
condensed and I think we have to hit a

2321
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,320
happy medium but I think it's needs to

2322
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,280
be a collaborative process.

2323
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,760
>> Yeah, I agree and I think you know our intent was more to get it into a

2324
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,080
manageable state and and certainly your

2325
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,000
work on actually marrying them together

2326
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:11,199
properly. Uh

2327
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:12,960
>> at least we can see what it was and you

2328
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,719
know and we can make changes there. I

2329
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:16,159
think this will be productive

2330
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:17,360
>> and I don't know if the finance

2331
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,000
committee had any thing to say about

2332
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,600
what you've seen or what you've heard so

2333
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,520
far in case there are budgetary

2334
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,120
implications.

2335
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,239
I I think the only thing that um Josh

2336
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,320
and I had uh looked at the job

2337
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,199
description was really the call versus

2338
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:36,320
on call just because we do have on call

2339
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,600
um stipens. We wanted the language to be

2340
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,960
clear um and the deputy the chain of

2341
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,040
command where we don't have that deputy

2342
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,719
chief position.

2343
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:49,040
>> Right. I just wanted I think that

2344
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,199
clarity there is going to be important

2345
01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:53,120
because I don't think at this moment our

2346
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,320
intent is to be looking to to find a

2347
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:56,719
deputy.

2348
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:58,000
>> Well, you don't want a job description

2349
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,400
to essentially lock you into something

2350
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,080
that you may or may not or it might

2351
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,159
evolve over time. That type of thing.

2352
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:05,840
All right. So, I've noted those anyway.

2353
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,520
So, we'll make sure that we discuss

2354
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:08,159
that.

2355
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:09,840
>> Just a quick question on we do have

2356
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,679
deputy chiefs currently, right?

2357
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:13,280
>> I mean, and I'm not asking. I'm just

2358
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:13,920
making sure.

2359
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,400
>> You absolutely do. You absolutely do.

2360
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:17,520
That was just misunderstanding.

2361
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,960
>> But you won't.

2362
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,960
>> In the strong chief statute, it talks

2363
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,440
about the fact that you will have a

2364
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:26,000
deputy chief and it's more about I think

2365
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,639
a paid deputy chief like another

2366
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,000
full-time person.

2367
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:30,320
>> Okay.

2368
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:31,679
>> And we're trying to differentiate

2369
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:32,639
between the two.

2370
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:34,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, and we're not looking

2371
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,000
for that. We just want to make sure that

2372
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,080
the structure uh from a leadership

2373
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,800
standpoint still has adequate

2374
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,360
leadership.

2375
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,639
>> Right. Right. And I think that that will

2376
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:46,719
be borne out by the chief that is hired

2377
01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:48,239
and it certainly can be asked about

2378
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:49,760
during the interview process.

2379
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,520
>> Yeah. And you may want to uh you may

2380
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,040
want to dictate that a little bit or at

2381
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,719
least think about dictating that a

2382
01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:59,440
little bit so that you have uh the

2383
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:02,000
ability for call folks to be in a

2384
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,880
position um so that there's kind of that

2385
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:06,400
checks and balances organically through

2386
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:06,719
that.

2387
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:08,800
>> Yes. And I think that when the chief

2388
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,280
comes on since the chief serves at the

2389
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,679
pleasure of the board of selectmen, they

2390
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:16,400
come with a proposal XYZ and then the

2391
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:20,560
selectman say yes or no or whatever comes. All right. So I think

2392
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,480
that there's going to be a process for

2393
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:24,400
talking about chain of command anyway

2394
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,320
but not necessarily in the position

2395
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,400
description.

2396
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,199
Okay.

2397
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,560
>> Um I have a question or request. Can you

2398
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:38,239
give us um just uh clarification as to

2399
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:41,440
what is a call force just definitions so

2400
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,040
that when we go back to this we are all

2401
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:45,520
we all know what we're talking about on

2402
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:49,040
call and then whatever the third term is

2403
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,040
which was

2404
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:52,000
just definition

2405
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,760
>> well there's there's obviously full

2406
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,280
there's full-time paid staff.

2407
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:56,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. But there's

2408
01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,000
>> is call firefighters and then we use the

2409
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,560
term on call for just people who who

2410
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,280
agree to work at night if called upon

2411
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:07,199
and they're getting some money to put

2412
01:31:07,199 --> 01:31:09,040
their time aside, their availability

2413
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:13,199
aside. But I guess on call could also be

2414
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,520
a term for paid full-time staff. That's

2415
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:16,480
what I'm hearing.

2416
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:16,960
>> Yeah.

2417
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,320
>> I don't Yeah. So, I mean, the three

2418
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,960
definitions that I'm familiar with are

2419
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,600
call, volunteer, and full-time

2420
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,880
professional type deal. So, the on call

2421
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,600
versus call is probably just the same

2422
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:33,440
thing by and large.

2423
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:36,239
>> Um, and

2424
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,400
what was the other one in there?

2425
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,080
>> On call, call force, and then I think

2426
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,280
just plain call.

2427
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,960
>> Yeah. So, the call force would be the group as in its totality.

2428
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,920
>> Yeah. And then um the on call versus

2429
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,920
call is is really just a status thereof,

2430
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,480
right? They're they're an on call force

2431
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,000
versus

2432
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,280
>> you know call is probably a a slang of

2433
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:02,400
some sort.

2434
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,800
>> Um but they're all pretty much the same

2435
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:05,440
thing from

2436
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:07,120
>> we'll make it clear. I think we can

2437
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,480
define, you know, what we're talking

2438
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,960
about and make it clear so people don't

2439
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,320
have an idea that, oh, well, these are,

2440
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,000
for whatever reason, I interpret that to

2441
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:16,960
be uh

2442
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:18,080
>> two different department,

2443
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,360
>> right, workforce.

2444
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:22,400
>> Yeah. So, we'll we'll work that out. Um,

2445
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:23,520
anything else on the position

2446
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,360
description?

2447
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:28,080
Because I think there now needs to be

2448
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,239
discussion about

2449
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:33,760
the operating budget and how

2450
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,400
the what we think is around $50,000

2451
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,199
deficit in FY28

2452
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:42,719
uh is going to be handled if the fire

2453
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:45,360
department wants two people on for each

2454
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,400
of the weekday shifts.

2455
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,800
So, um, we had a pretty robust

2456
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,880
discussion about this downstairs, um,

2457
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:57,600
with board of engineers and, um, the the

2458
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,280
real crux of the matter is, you know,

2459
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,360
where are you going to carve out $50,000

2460
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,679
in a $641,000

2461
01:33:03,679 --> 01:33:07,679
fire budget, add the $172 for your

2462
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:09,440
ambulance, even though they're two

2463
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:11,679
separate budgets, you know, I think we

2464
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:15,280
need to look at them as a whole. Um,

2465
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,440
I think that it's Uh it's a tough ask

2466
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,320
because the training budget was just

2467
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:24,800
increased substantially this year with

2468
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,480
this budget along with the $120,000

2469
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:30,239
position.

2470
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:33,440
However, I think the charge

2471
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:36,400
still is to find $50,000 out of those

2472
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,960
budgets. And I think it's in if you want

2473
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:45,520
two day shifts 5 days a week then you

2474
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,960
have to find 50 else you don't have two

2475
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,960
day shifts. Um, so we've said to the

2476
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,280
board of engineers, you know, where

2477
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,280
would you like to where would you like

2478
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,960
to cut? And understandably,

2479
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,800
you know, they're hesitant on where to

2480
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,719
cut. And we don't have enough hard data

2481
01:34:06,719 --> 01:34:10,880
to say, well, the salary line item is

2482
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,199
heavy this year because, you know, the

2483
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:15,520
model is the model and we don't have

2484
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,320
data to support the model. We just have

2485
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,600
estimates or we look at the training

2486
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,040
budget and it's budgeted for an example

2487
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,920
you know 12 monthly trainings four hours

2488
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,840
every training for 22 or 25 people. Do

2489
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:35,120
22 or 25 people really show up? Can you

2490
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,000
manage that as a you know sign up 15 you

2491
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,719
know first 15 people sign up and and how

2492
01:34:40,719 --> 01:34:42,880
does that affect your your force? You

2493
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,880
know how does it affect morale? How does

2494
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,400
it affect your preparedness? Jump in any

2495
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,000
time, Christian, if I'm going off the

2496
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,040
rails here. Um,

2497
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,080
>> did I miss anything? So, we don't have a

2498
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,920
proposal. Um, I suggested a couple of

2499
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:02,639
things. We s we talked about um our

2500
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,280
ambulance billing rate. We talked about

2501
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,199
this earlier in the year and Christian's

2502
01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:09,360
going to have a look at that to see if

2503
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,920
we're billing at a competitive rate or

2504
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,239
we're below market. Um that's just

2505
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,800
what's build out to insurance um you

2506
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,000
know versus Medicare, Medicaid. Um

2507
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,040
additionally some fees that we had

2508
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:26,480
talked about earlier in the year moving

2509
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:29,440
um fees to the actual users as opposed

2510
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,639
to on the taxpayers much like Harbor. Um

2511
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:35,920
so you know we again don't have numbers

2512
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:38,639
in a system so we don't know exactly how

2513
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:42,560
many say dumpsters you know would have

2514
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,159
required a fee but um Christian is going

2515
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:49,120
to look at that as well.

2516
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:53,040
Um other than that you know

2517
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,639
>> so I and I think the purpose of the

2518
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:57,360
discussion obviously finding the $50,000

2519
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:00,639
will be a process that is undertaken

2520
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:03,520
throughout the budget preparation season

2521
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,840
but the selectman want to know do we

2522
01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:09,760
move forward with the chief knowing uh

2523
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,679
that there needs to be some idea that

2524
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:16,639
cuts can be made to accommodate both the

2525
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:18,400
chief and the two people on the weekday

2526
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,120
shift which is what is desired. So maybe

2527
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,040
the selectman have questions about that

2528
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,000
because uh after next meeting if we come

2529
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,600
out with a position description, we're

2530
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,000
talking about starting to advertise and

2531
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,280
we're not going to advertise unless

2532
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:33,360
you're comfortable with how it shakes

2533
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:37,040
out now and then from February 1st to

2534
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,239
June 30th and then next fiscal year.

2535
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:42,080
>> Right? And we actually have to be ready

2536
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,520
for town meeting to answer that

2537
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:44,960
question. So

2538
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,639
>> and the question is not just for this

2539
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:48,080
year but for next year and the year

2540
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,280
after. Right.

2541
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:49,679
>> Correct.

2542
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:52,719
>> So um so we can make as a finance

2543
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:54,800
committee we can make suggestions but

2544
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,560
you know we we do defer to uh the the

2545
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,199
chief and the board of engineers to

2546
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:05,840
guide uh where where would be the most

2547
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,440
or least painful areas. Um

2548
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,600
>> well I guess my question to the board of

2549
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,960
engineers is um my understanding is that

2550
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:19,280
from the company the two shifts were

2551
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:22,080
part of the package of the the chief

2552
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,440
right that that's kind of a

2553
01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:27,280
all or not all or nothing because it

2554
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,679
wasn't presented like that but this is

2555
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:33,280
what we think is best. So,

2556
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:36,480
it sounds like there's been significant

2557
01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,880
um a significant rise year-over-year for

2558
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:41,662
the fire department to accommodate their

2559
01:37:41,662 --> 01:37:44,880
[clears throat] needs. And so,

2560
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:50,320
can we move see it as moving money to to

2561
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,199
make sure that that happens? It sounds

2562
01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,320
like there should be.

2563
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:02,400
Is that a fair thing to look at it? you got to give up something to and I

2564
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,239
guess my other question is and I think I

2565
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:07,440
asked this this data came through for us

2566
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:09,119
um about

2567
01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,880
um

2568
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,480
training because I had a question about

2569
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:16,880
you know we keep saying hey yeah let's add that person but what's our

2570
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:20,239
obligation to pay for training um and is

2571
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,040
there some sort of a moment when you're

2572
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,840
like okay I've got so many people but

2573
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,040
only so many training dollars how do I

2574
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,320
balance not accepting more but giving

2575
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,480
them the training that I'm required to

2576
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:36,320
provide. I guess I I don't understand

2577
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:39,920
the um obligation that you have to pay

2578
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,080
for training or if it's train the

2579
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:43,440
trainer kind of stuff. So you're not

2580
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:44,800
paying for someone to come in and do

2581
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,560
training that the cost is really about

2582
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,639
who shows up.

2583
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,239
Does that makes do those questions make

2584
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:51,119
sense?

2585
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,440
>> Yes. And I'll do my best to answer them

2586
01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:54,960
and then you let me know if I'm not

2587
01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,199
answering your actual question. So from

2588
01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:04,560
a requirement standpoint, we want uh people to be fire academy

2589
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:05,440
trained if they're going to be a

2590
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:08,239
firefighter. So fire one two I'm going

2591
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:11,119
to approximate the number of hours about

2592
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:15,360
240 I believe is the number. Um

2593
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,360
and we put those folks through. There's

2594
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,239
no cost for the class itself because

2595
01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,199
it's a state-run academy. Uh but there

2596
01:39:23,199 --> 01:39:25,920
is the costs of uh outfitting someone

2597
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,360
with new uh turnout gear or PPE because

2598
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,080
it's required by them. If they haven't

2599
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:34,560
been hired within the last year, then

2600
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,320
there's the cost of putting them through

2601
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:40,960
an NFPA um medical exam and then we pay

2602
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:44,880
them uh hourly uh as they are going

2603
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,880
through the academy or technically pay

2604
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:50,159
them at the end. Um so that's the fire

2605
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:54,400
academy side on the EMS side. Uh we have

2606
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,480
typically sent them to McNeely or they

2607
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:00,639
have gone to Northshore Community

2608
01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:02,960
College or whatever the case may be and

2609
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,920
we pay them for their hourly time there

2610
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:09,119
which is I want to say

2611
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:11,840
120 150 and then we pay for the EMT

2612
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,920
class as well.

2613
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,239
U

2614
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:19,760
as far as those are the two big

2615
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,719
trainings, unless I'm missing anything

2616
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:25,520
that we pay for outside of the monthly

2617
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,520
meetings uh or monthly trainings

2618
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,400
quarterlies. Um

2619
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,080
cuz

2620
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,480
you know even though it's 240 hours,

2621
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:36,639
you're still kind of there's still a lot

2622
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:38,400
to learn on the job. There's still a lot

2623
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,400
of equipment to learn. there's uh the

2624
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,400
driver training requirements uh to get

2625
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,480
signed off on a vehicle so that we're

2626
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:47,119
not just sending uh Joemo out without

2627
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:50,000
any training in a you know anywhere from

2628
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,920
3/4 of a million to $1.4 million

2629
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:56,149
vehicle.

2630
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:00,080
» Have some follow-ups. Do we know what a

2631
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:02,320
cost per

2632
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:07,830
person is in in a year?

2633
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,000
» Do we know what train was spent last

2634
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,679
year and maybe the year before and the

2635
01:41:11,679 --> 01:41:13,760
year before that on training you have

2636
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,760
that

2637
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:16,800
>> I don't know what kind

2638
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,119
>> 24 393

2639
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:21,679
25 246

2640
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:24,800
uh the actual budget adopted in 26 was

2641
01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:27,199
32 this year's budget

2642
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:30,239
>> 32,000 and 86,07

2643
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:32,239
is approved for this year

2644
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,000
>> 86

2645
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:35,840
>> from 32

2646
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,280
>> okay so

2647
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,520
>> I think one thing to be asked is okay so

2648
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:41,040
there's firefighter one and two there's

2649
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,280
EMT training there are also other

2650
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,040
trainings that you do and we we heard

2651
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,880
from the fire company that they feel

2652
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,000
that that's very important because now

2653
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,679
you're learning about other things

2654
01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:54,320
specialty things hazard materials all

2655
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:56,800
that are there certain things though

2656
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,199
like that is that 86 it must include

2657
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:01,199
some of those things that are over and

2658
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,679
above one and two in EMT

2659
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:07,520
>> yes so part of what uh and I think we

2660
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,600
talked about You talked about hazmat. So

2661
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,760
there's a requirement. Uh they get 24

2662
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,600
hours. They get a hazmat responder level

2663
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,679
uh operations level in the fire academy

2664
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:20,239
which is 24 hours. There is a

2665
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:23,280
requirement by NFPA that they take an 8

2666
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,560
hour refresher on an annual basis. U

2667
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,239
compliance with that has been

2668
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:30,880
challenging. So part of that money

2669
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,119
coming in is training every one of those

2670
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,040
certified firefighters to maintain that

2671
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,000
certification. Uh the cost of the class

2672
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,080
itself. So,

2673
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,800
>> but is that mandatory? It's an NFPA

2674
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,840
standard, but is it different somehow

2675
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,000
than the one and two? I'm not saying not

2676
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,520
do it, but we're going to have to find a

2677
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,360
way to modulate it because we got to

2678
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:52,880
come up with $50,000. So,

2679
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,199
>> right. So, it's it's an NFPA standard,

2680
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,719
but also backed up by OSHA. So, um both

2681
01:42:58,719 --> 01:42:58,960
are

2682
01:42:58,960 --> 01:42:59,760
>> that's Yep.

2683
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,360
>> Y

2684
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,600
>> um Sorry. Go ahead.

2685
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,760
I I just wondered um maybe there are

2686
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:10,480
efficiencies with training um such as u

2687
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:12,880
making sure there's a senior member on

2688
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,119
shift with a junior member who requires

2689
01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:17,360
driver training and they can get driver

2690
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:19,199
training while they are being paid on a

2691
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:24,080
shift maybe. Do we um want every

2692
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,440
firefighter to be an EMT or if we

2693
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,320
already have 30 EMTs, do we really need

2694
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,320
45?

2695
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,159
You know, I don't know what the answer.

2696
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,239
>> And you already raised the point of

2697
01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:39,199
okay, well, does the budget of $86,000

2698
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:42,159
include well, okay, 35 people are going

2699
01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:43,520
to show up every time. That's why the

2700
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,920
budget is so big, but 35 people don't

2701
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,080
show up. This is what you pointed out.

2702
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:49,679
How many people do show up on your

2703
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:53,119
average training? What's a high number?

2704
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,280
>> Probably 25. We had 25 at tanker

2705
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,080
training the other night. Um, so

2706
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:59,520
>> we happen to know if the budget was

2707
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,880
developed for a number larger than that.

2708
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,280
>> No, it was developed

2709
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:07,840
>> 22. Okay. So, it doesn't seem like

2710
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,119
there's a lot there.

2711
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:11,119
>> That was a 4-hour training. I mean, and

2712
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:13,920
that was not too far off from, you know,

2713
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:18,159
what happens normally, but there

2714
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:20,080
It is difficult because there's a lot of

2715
01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,239
requirements that come down at us.

2716
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:25,199
There's an there's the OEMS requirement

2717
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,440
uh for reertification as well as the

2718
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:30,000
fire requirements. So

2719
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:33,840
um I I do think that there's absolutely

2720
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,600
opportunity to kind of go through and

2721
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:39,119
work collaboratively with uh rep and you

2722
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:42,000
know boss whoever to kind of identify

2723
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:45,440
through either increase in the ambulance

2724
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:47,600
revenue and kind of try to efficiencies

2725
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,280
in the existing budget as well. But um

2726
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:55,119
you know we part of why we

2727
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:56,960
increased the budget so dramatically in

2728
01:44:56,960 --> 01:44:59,119
some areas is after we did the proforma

2729
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:01,840
with fin to identify where were the gaps

2730
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,840
that left us short last year and make

2731
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,400
sure that moving forward we didn't have

2732
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:11,520
that same gap. So it's, you know, we can

2733
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,520
step backwards or or kind of like look

2734
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:16,000
to try to make it more manageable, but

2735
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,920
we just I'd like to keep that in mind

2736
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,760
because I definitely don't want to be,

2737
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:21,600
you know, faced with a shortfall moving

2738
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:22,320
forward.

2739
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,239
>> I mean, you you mentioned three

2740
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,040
different places. Limiting training, can

2741
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,080
some money be shaved, maybe fees to the

2742
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,360
user? So, we're going to talk about that

2743
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,320
next, like how much is carried for town

2744
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:36,719
events on the public dime and the

2745
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:39,040
ambulance offset. How much do you think

2746
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,159
we'll gain there?

2747
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:41,840
>> Well, we were we were talking about it

2748
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:45,040
and I think um I think we have an

2749
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,760
average of 285 calls a year. I don't

2750
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:49,600
know what the percentage is of, you

2751
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,040
know, is that how many what the

2752
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,440
percentage is of the full boat? We don't

2753
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:55,760
have those numbers. So, full boat, you

2754
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,280
know, $1,100 or whatever the $1,500

2755
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:00,560
per

2756
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,920
um ride. But if you can increase that

2757
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,960
75% of those calls by $200,

2758
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:09,199
you but again, you know, we'll really

2759
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:11,119
need to juggle those two budgets because

2760
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,000
they're budgeted separately. And I think

2761
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,760
you and I talked about this last year,

2762
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,920
Brendan, why we can't cobble together

2763
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,320
the budgets, which would be easier to

2764
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,280
manage when you need to shift things.

2765
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:24,159
But um

2766
01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:26,639
>> certainly EMT training could come out of

2767
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:27,520
that,

2768
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:29,920
>> right? But at the end of the day, you

2769
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:32,000
still have, you know, x number of

2770
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:36,080
trainings. And I'm also wondering, I

2771
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:38,320
guess the other piece is, is there a

2772
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:42,480
hierarchy of, you know, training, what

2773
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:45,920
people need, what people must have, you

2774
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,440
know, so that you make sure that you're

2775
01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:49,760
filling your training with the people

2776
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,480
who absolutely need that training now as

2777
01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:53,920
opposed to don't need it.

2778
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:54,960
>> And that's the type of thing they're

2779
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,480
going to need to figure out. And another

2780
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:59,040
way to look at it, if it's $50,000 and

2781
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:00,800
we're looking at major categories of

2782
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:03,440
limiting training somehow,

2783
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:05,760
switching switching some things that are

2784
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,040
covered by the budget to users and some

2785
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,360
kind of ambulance offset, that's about

2786
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,119
16,700

2787
01:47:13,119 --> 01:47:15,280
for each category will get you to the

2788
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:16,320
$50,000.

2789
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,280
>> Do you really think you're going to

2790
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:21,280
generate $16,000 in fees? depends on how

2791
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,960
much is currently covered uh for people

2792
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,639
um that are covering events.

2793
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:28,719
>> Yeah. I mean I'm just I don't I don't

2794
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:31,520
think fees ever like

2795
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,080
>> the answer there's zero. Now Brendan

2796
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,119
>> you're not going to get anything.

2797
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:36,960
>> We're not getting nothing in community.

2798
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:38,000
>> Yeah. So you're not going to get

2799
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:38,960
anything out of that.

2800
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:41,280
>> But I do want to ask a question relevant

2801
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:44,719
to Jod's about um so you you you know

2802
01:47:44,719 --> 01:47:46,560
you get a new hire, right? And you've

2803
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,400
got a probationary period. Like I don't

2804
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:52,080
and you want to get somebody on the uh

2805
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,600
you know moving but you don't but you

2806
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:54,880
want to test to see is this person

2807
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,040
really worth investing in. What's the

2808
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,000
kind of what is the kind of what are the

2809
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,159
gates they have to go through to get to

2810
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:05,520
be training worthy? Does that makes does

2811
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:06,880
my question make sense? Because some

2812
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,880
people may be just on a lark deciding to

2813
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,960
do this but don't really commit.

2814
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,719
>> Yeah. So most recently we've had uh this

2815
01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:18,400
last go round of interviews people have

2816
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,320
either come to us with EMT

2817
01:48:20,320 --> 01:48:22,880
certifications. Um and then if that's

2818
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,080
the case then we're going to get them up

2819
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,400
to speed on our ambulance so that they

2820
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,719
are uh ready to go on that side. Make

2821
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:30,480
sure that they if they don't have

2822
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:31,840
experience that they've kind of gone

2823
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,600
through the process that we have set

2824
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:38,800
forth on that. Um if they don't have EMT

2825
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:39,920
then that's where we're going to start

2826
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:43,440
them. And then fire is secondary. So we

2827
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:46,639
do have a kind of progressive path on um

2828
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:50,400
training and then as far as you know the

2829
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:52,639
EMS training is the less expensive of

2830
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:55,119
the two. So we will start with that and

2831
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:57,199
then kind of if it doesn't look like

2832
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:58,560
it's going to be a good fit, there's not

2833
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,159
a comprehension, whatever the case may

2834
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:01,679
be, then we would throttle back and kind

2835
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:04,080
of figure out maybe you just live here

2836
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,880
or you you move forward.

2837
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:10,560
And we do uh you know Jody talked about

2838
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,480
kind of training on you know having that

2839
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:14,480
senior person. We have this year really

2840
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:17,520
shifted a lot of our training to on duty

2841
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,679
um which has been successful. So you

2842
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:23,040
know it's a good point. It's just we are

2843
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,880
already adopting that to the best of our

2844
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,360
ability uh and kind of minimizing the

2845
01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:31,280
training outside of ours. Um we we limit

2846
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:32,960
that to people who just can't train

2847
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:37,030
because they have full-time jobs.

2848
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,560
I guess the other piece that we don't

2849
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:42,000
know is um how many people are coming

2850
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,040
out for training at the $32 an hour when

2851
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:48,159
they were being paid 2462 before and is

2852
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,159
that generating a larger response to

2853
01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:51,920
come to training because of the wage

2854
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,480
change. So we don't have that data but

2855
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:58,000
that you know could be a a driver for

2856
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,520
additional people showing up for

2857
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,360
training. So you mentioned that you had

2858
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,400
a robust disc discussion about this

2859
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,080
whole matter and that there was

2860
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,119
agreement that 50,000 has to be trimmed.

2861
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:11,600
>> It's an if they want the then else

2862
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,560
scenario. Absolutely. Not trimmed moved.

2863
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:15,760
>> Moved.

2864
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,679
>> So the finance committee has that

2865
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:22,470
opinion. Board board of engineers.

2866
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:24,000
» Do you agree? Is there a way to find

2867
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,920
50,000? Because the selectman need to

2868
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:30,159
know uh whether that's plausible.

2869
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:32,080
We can discuss it on one

2870
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,400
>> we can discuss it on uh a meeting

2871
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:36,880
Wednesday morning. Um there is a couple

2872
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,760
of ideas but you know takes some work

2873
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:41,760
>> because right now we're going to try to

2874
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,679
get a position description out at the

2875
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:46,080
next meeting which is October 5th and

2876
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:48,480
then start a hiring process. And so

2877
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:50,800
we're kind of at the end here and we

2878
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,239
need to know from the board of engineers

2879
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:55,440
whether you think when you develop FY28

2880
01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:59,199
you can develop it uh with it's going to

2881
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:02,239
be basically this year's number minus

2882
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,760
50,000

2883
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:11,350
2% tacked onto that.

2884
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:12,560
» You already said you're not good at

2885
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,239
math.

2886
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:15,840
the 2% for for

2887
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:17,040
>> cola.

2888
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:22,629
>> Yeah.

2889
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:24,400
» I think

2890
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:28,149
12

2891
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:29,520
» I don't want anybody to hear me doing

2892
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:34,470
this.

2893
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:37,440
» The net Yeah. The net difference will be

2894
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,679
um if you add if you take the two what's

2895
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:43,040
the total budget number right now? It's

2896
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,040
the came up with

2897
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,840
>> is 12,000. So it's 50,000 minus 12 is

2898
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,719
the is the amount less.

2899
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,719
>> So it's well I think we went the other

2900
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:53,119
way.

2901
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:54,000
>> Okay.

2902
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:02,149
>> 12,000 or 62.

2903
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:04,639
» Sorry.

2904
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:08,719
>> Uh 62 was the front end number and then

2905
01:52:08,719 --> 01:52:12,480
backed off the 2% got us to 50.

2906
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:14,480
is is my understanding. But

2907
01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:16,239
>> yeah, what I'm saying is you're you'll

2908
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:19,199
be expecting some level of an increase

2909
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:22,320
because of COLA and increase to expense

2910
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:25,119
lines. Um,

2911
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:26,880
and the T, you know, town departments

2912
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:28,400
generally, even though we have 2 and a

2913
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,719
half% under Proposition 2 and a half,

2914
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:33,599
town departments generally come in at 2%

2915
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:37,360
for wages and actually less than 2% for

2916
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,840
expenses. But you're getting the

2917
01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:42,239
whopping deal of 2% on the whole thing.

2918
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:44,080
How about that?

2919
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:47,360
>> Better shake on that one quick.

2920
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,679
>> Is that the number?

2921
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:52,480
>> So that's that's just conceptual. So

2922
01:52:52,480 --> 01:52:54,080
we're going to need the board of

2923
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:57,280
engineers to say whether you Yep. We're

2924
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:58,960
going to we're going to turn out a

2925
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:00,800
budget this year that is going to meet

2926
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:04,960
that criteria when you meet. So that if

2927
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,719
we get a position description off the

2928
01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:08,639
ground at the next selectman's meeting,

2929
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,840
we are launching into a hiring process.

2930
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,480
>> So the we meet on Wednesday, the fire

2931
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,719
company meets on Thursday. I mean,

2932
01:53:16,719 --> 01:53:17,360
>> okay.

2933
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,880
>> We would like to get obviously fire

2934
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:19,679
company

2935
01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:20,239
>> y

2936
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:21,040
>> weigh in on this.

2937
01:53:21,040 --> 01:53:22,560
>> So by the next selectman's meeting,

2938
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,719
you'll have everything you need to say

2939
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:26,880
whether you think you can do it because

2940
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,639
that's what selectman I don't know if

2941
01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:30,400
you have any other questions, but you're

2942
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,599
I believe looking to make sure

2943
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:35,119
that if it's going to go that way, the

2944
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,920
two people on plus the chief, there's a

2945
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:40,080
way to actually get to that number

2946
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,719
>> without a without an increase over the

2947
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:44,880
2%.

2948
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,679
All right.

2949
01:53:47,679 --> 01:53:49,360
So, then the last thing that

2950
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:51,599
was on there has to do with events that

2951
01:53:51,599 --> 01:53:54,880
are held in the town. And the events,

2952
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:56,560
uh, I listed some and then Christian

2953
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,800
gave me some more. They include things

2954
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,760
like, "Okay, we have an Easter egg hunt

2955
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,360
sometimes, but I don't think that

2956
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:03,920
>> No,

2957
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,320
>> that's that's like maybe the police on

2958
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:10,800
the shift would come watch that." Um,

2959
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,320
>> yeah, maybe.

2960
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,480
>> Uh, we have River Day, The Car Show,

2961
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:16,800
Happy as a Clam, Clamfest, Halloween,

2962
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,599
Turkey Trot, Santa's Arrival, other ship

2963
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:22,639
building events, ALS for ALS, the Ukan

2964
01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:25,360
race, the bike road races, and the polar

2965
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:30,880
plunge. That's as exhaustive a list as we've had in a long time. And the

2966
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,400
question is which events that take place

2967
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:36,800
in the town should have the benefit of

2968
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,400
public funding.

2969
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:40,400
>> Do you know how much you're spending on

2970
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:45,910
all those now?

2971
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:48,320
I don't off the top of my head but I

2972
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:51,199
think uh if you go through the list um

2973
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:54,480
we can tell you that Yukon run uh ALS

2974
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,830
for ALS

2975
01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:02,000
» polar plunge was a duty group situation

2976
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:05,089
typically I think right Ernie

2977
01:55:05,089 --> 01:55:05,440
[snorts]

2978
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,119
>> a few extra

2979
01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:11,360
>> yeah um the the Yukon race and the A's

2980
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:17,360
for ALS for ALS have in uh detail at the

2981
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:22,239
event coordinators uh cost. Um I think

2982
01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:24,480
clamfest is probably one of the you know

2983
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:26,800
bigger ones.

2984
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,639
>> So if it's all right so let's take a

2985
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:30,480
step back. If it's duty group you're

2986
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:31,920
talking about two people that are happen

2987
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,679
to be on for that time. Right.

2988
01:55:33,679 --> 01:55:34,159
>> Correct.

2989
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:36,960
>> So uh is everybody okay with an event

2990
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:38,800
where it's only deemed that the duty

2991
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,560
group is necessary whether that's police

2992
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:44,239
or fire? That is public funding to kind

2993
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:45,840
of watch over an event, but those people

2994
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,360
were being paid anyway because they were

2995
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,040
there anyway.

2996
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:50,480
>> Is everybody okay with that?

2997
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:50,800
>> Yeah.

2998
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,520
Okay. So, then we're talking about

2999
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,800
uh an event where extra people need to

3000
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,920
be put on. Are there specific events

3001
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:04,239
where you say we absolutely need to put

3002
01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:06,960
those people on at the town's expense

3003
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,040
and then everything else that you don't

3004
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:10,480
think is important enough would have to

3005
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,760
be built back for extra people other

3006
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,920
specific events.

3007
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,159
>> Can I ask a question about um staffing

3008
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,520
of these things? So could you say

3009
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:25,599
minimum charge for um but if but if

3010
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:30,320
these factors then it's additional um

3011
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:31,440
you know

3012
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:32,320
>> staffing.

3013
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,159
>> Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like some

3014
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:36,080
things are more like the polar plunge is

3015
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,880
more

3016
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:42,639
>> risky I think than Halloween, right?

3017
01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:46,880
>> Yeah. I think uh it depends, but

3018
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,119
certainly um I think you know kind of

3019
01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:51,119
what we talked about a little bit last

3020
01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:54,000
time and and uh firefighter Ducet

3021
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,040
brought up was a permitting process. And

3022
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,679
I think if we look at that um and kind

3023
01:56:59,679 --> 01:57:01,840
of have public safety, police, fire

3024
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:03,360
involved in that permitting process,

3025
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:04,960
that'll give us the opportunity to kind

3026
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,280
of go through and say, okay, you know,

3027
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,599
baseball game at the baseball field that

3028
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:11,679
you know someone's trying to do. Great.

3029
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:14,480
No problem. Check. goodbye. Uh but then

3030
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:16,159
you kind of get into more of the polar

3031
01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:19,199
plunge situation and the forecast is

3032
01:57:19,199 --> 01:57:21,280
negative -30 because it's you know

3033
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,360
whatever that's going to be a deciding

3034
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,320
factor on you know ambulance and or you

3035
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:28,159
know whatever.

3036
01:57:28,159 --> 01:57:30,080
>> So having that permit process kind of

3037
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,560
works allows us to work through that. Um

3038
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:34,639
>> that allows you to give the applicant a

3039
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:37,199
sense of what they might need to pay.

3040
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:41,760
Yeah. But my point is, if the selectman

3041
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:43,760
determine that there are only x number

3042
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,679
of events, you name them,

3043
01:57:45,679 --> 01:57:48,239
>> that public money should be put into,

3044
01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:49,599
yes, we're going to have a permitting

3045
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,119
process, but we already know that if

3046
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:54,159
it's not one of those, they're paying

3047
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:55,840
>> and and then that would allow you to

3048
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:58,719
build your budgets for FY28 as well.

3049
01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:01,199
>> They're paying or it goes away. And

3050
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:01,520
>> Right.

3051
01:58:01,520 --> 01:58:03,199
>> Well, sure. If you want to do this, it's

3052
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:04,000
going to cost you,

3053
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,760
>> right? Right. But I think that the

3054
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,400
permit I think that what um they were

3055
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:10,960
talking about was what would actually

3056
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:14,800
require a fire detail as opposed to a

3057
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,480
you know a mandatory versus not

3058
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,199
mandatory fire detail. So if they have

3059
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:21,599
something with an open flame they

3060
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:23,119
absolutely need you know if they're

3061
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:25,280
going to have fire pits they need a fire

3062
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:28,639
detail versus not I think was part of

3063
01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:31,119
that permitting process which I do think

3064
01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:33,040
it you know it's a determining factor.

3065
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:34,880
sort of like way back when when we

3066
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:37,920
talked about the um one day permits back

3067
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:39,760
when we were in the temporary town hall,

3068
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:42,239
you know, it was one day for alcohol,

3069
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:44,639
one day for food, but they were they

3070
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:46,639
were not mutually exclusive and they

3071
01:58:46,639 --> 01:58:48,400
didn't ever cross over. Instead, we

3072
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:50,239
said, are you applying for one day

3073
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:52,159
alcohol as well as a one-day food? So

3074
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:53,520
that it's an all-inclusive

3075
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,199
>> and I agree we need that and that can be

3076
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:57,599
put together for really next season. Y,

3077
01:58:57,599 --> 01:59:00,800
>> but it still remains which events

3078
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,719
do we want to pay for with public money?

3079
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:04,560
>> Can I propose

3080
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:09,589
River Day, the car show?

3081
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:10,239
» I can be

3082
01:59:10,239 --> 01:59:10,880
>> Sounds great.

3083
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,119
>> convinced otherwise, but Happy as a Clam

3084
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,679
is a school event with people running

3085
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:16,800
through town. So,

3086
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,400
>> Halloween.

3087
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:20,960
>> Yep. Halloween. And then Santa. That

3088
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:24,000
leaves off the turkey trot, which is

3089
01:59:24,000 --> 01:59:26,320
also um a lion's event. They don't have

3090
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:28,000
a have a lot of money and their money

3091
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,560
goes to scholarships. So, I mean, I did

3092
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,280
put them on the list, but

3093
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:34,880
that would be kind of like the same

3094
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:37,920
problem we had with um the car show.

3095
01:59:37,920 --> 01:59:41,280
You're eating into my profits by having

3096
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:41,679
um

3097
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:43,520
>> Do you make part of the permanent do you

3098
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:45,199
make part of the permanating process

3099
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,040
that decision the board of selectments

3100
01:59:47,040 --> 01:59:48,719
making that decision real time based on

3101
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:52,800
the event? I don't think you can because

3102
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,880
>> if there's going to be any provision by

3103
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:56,719
the town with public funds, it has to be

3104
01:59:56,719 --> 01:59:58,560
budgeted in advance.

3105
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:00,719
>> And the problem is if there's zero

3106
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:03,520
dollars in there right now in FY27 for

3107
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,599
public support of events,

3108
02:00:05,599 --> 02:00:07,360
>> now you're fighting against that 50

3109
02:00:07,360 --> 02:00:09,679
grand because the more events you pick,

3110
02:00:09,679 --> 02:00:11,199
the more that you you should be

3111
02:00:11,199 --> 02:00:13,760
budgeting to cover those events.

3112
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:15,520
>> So that's presents a problem.

3113
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:17,360
>> Yeah.

3114
02:00:17,360 --> 02:00:18,960
Are you honestly

3115
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:20,560
>> problem?

3116
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:22,400
>> Well, it's it's a problem with getting

3117
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:25,040
50,000 shaved off of FY28 if you're

3118
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:27,599
going to add because FY27 is largely

3119
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:29,920
gone and we're going to manage what with

3120
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:31,280
what we have, but

3121
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:35,040
>> FY28 is going to be a permitting process

3122
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,599
and anything that's not chosen as a town

3123
02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:40,080
event will be paid for by the applicant.

3124
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,239
We need to know how much to budget for

3125
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:43,280
those things that you're going to

3126
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,520
select. And right now, the budget is

3127
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:48,719
zero. So,

3128
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:51,040
I would select less.

3129
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,880
>> So, what would you I mean, the ones that

3130
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:58,080
I just said, the five that I said, you do choose fewer than that.

3131
02:00:58,080 --> 02:00:59,520
>> Yeah, because each one of these events

3132
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:00,960
is going to cost several thousand

3133
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,320
dollars, right? No.

3134
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:04,239
>> Well, the the car shows off the table

3135
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:05,920
because that's you've got that budgeted,

3136
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:06,159
right?

3137
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:07,679
>> That's next year. We're talking next

3138
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:08,000
year.

3139
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,679
>> That's police. The fire department

3140
02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:10,719
doesn't know. I know.

3141
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:12,880
>> Okay. But so, let's think about things

3142
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,360
like Riverdale. You could have sponsors,

3143
02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:18,400
which we have never done before. Um, and

3144
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,239
sponsors could pay for things like that.

3145
02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:22,239
Do you know what I mean? You could,

3146
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:23,760
>> um,

3147
02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:26,480
happy as a clam, you could you could ask

3148
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:29,119
them to pay for that. But the thing is,

3149
02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:32,000
if we're going to ask for fire, they

3150
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:33,599
also have police coverage, too. I mean,

3151
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:34,960
I know you have it in your budget, but

3152
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:39,920
is is that fair to assume that

3153
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:42,400
the town will cover that, but not cover

3154
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,719
you? So for example, happy as a claim,

3155
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:47,679
they request traffic control by the CBA.

3156
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:49,520
That has to be a detail. So that's

3157
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,400
automatically paid for the requester. So

3158
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:55,040
a lot of our instances are pretty cookie

3159
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:56,639
cutter. If there's a liquor license,

3160
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:58,000
board of selectman will say you need to

3161
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:00,239
have a police detail for the license. Uh

3162
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:02,560
if it's anything to do with any roadway,

3163
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,480
directing traffic, road race, bike,

3164
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,800
anything on the roads require a police

3165
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:09,040
detail. And I know that's kind of apples

3166
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:11,920
and oranges because fire sends four

3167
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:14,000
members per apparatus or you know

3168
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:15,440
depending on what the needs were at the

3169
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,920
time. So it it looks more efficient on

3170
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,840
the police side, but it's really not the

3171
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,440
same coverage.

3172
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:22,800
>> Do you have a public sa Don't you have a

3173
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,719
public safety committee?

3174
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:26,719
>> We had one, but it doesn't meet anymore.

3175
02:02:26,719 --> 02:02:27,360
It's it's

3176
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,599
>> What did you have the other day?

3177
02:02:29,599 --> 02:02:32,320
>> The safety committee that's just keeping

3178
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,199
everybody safe in the work environment.

3179
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:35,679
>> Oh,

3180
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:37,360
>> it's not a Yeah. private

3181
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:39,199
>> public safety has a seat at that table,

3182
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:41,840
but it's not to discuss that.

3183
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,320
>> Um, so just looking at our own

3184
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:46,639
historical data very lightly, the police

3185
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:50,639
budget was uh the car show, turkey trot,

3186
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,480
which I believe is the lions and

3187
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:55,599
Halloween are paid out of our budget,

3188
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,119
community policing money. Everything

3189
02:02:57,119 --> 02:02:59,440
else for us is a detail. So I don't

3190
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:02,639
think it's as big as people might think.

3191
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:04,000
Well, I think Christian, you were about

3192
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,960
to say how much each one of these events

3193
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,280
is roughly. If we look at Riverdale car

3194
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,679
show, Happy as a Clam, Halloween, and

3195
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:14,239
Santa,

3196
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:18,320
>> yeah. So, [clears throat] figure 32

3197
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,960
bucks an hour times, you know, a couple

3198
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:22,400
hours depending on the length of the

3199
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:27,280
event, right? Santa is uh pretty quick.

3200
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:28,960
um

3201
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:30,000
some of the other ones.

3202
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:32,080
>> So if it's and and in keeping with your

3203
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:34,800
policy, if it's considered a town event,

3204
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:36,960
it will be at the regular firefighter

3205
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:37,760
rate. Correct.

3206
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:40,400
>> Anything else will be paid at the detail

3207
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:43,119
rate, which is back build to the user

3208
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:43,599
anyway,

3209
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:44,159
>> right?

3210
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:47,599
>> Okay. So each one of these events, the

3211
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:50,880
car shows a little bit longer. I mean,

3212
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:54,719
if it's 32 bucks times four people times

3213
02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:57,360
4 hours, that's 512.

3214
02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:00,560
>> Yep. So 512 would be, you know, that,

3215
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,400
right? So if it's an event that just

3216
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,320
needs the ambulance standing by, like a

3217
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:07,119
polar plunge, cut that in half and you

3218
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:08,560
know, your your hourly rate is going to

3219
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:09,920
be 60.

3220
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:11,280
>> Halloween is

3221
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:12,080
>> two people.

3222
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:15,040
Okay. Happy as a clam, two

3223
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:16,080
people.

3224
02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:20,159
Uh that race requires

3225
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:22,800
three to four typically because traffic

3226
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:23,360
control

3227
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:27,920
>> 1,024 for the car show. Happy as a clam.

3228
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,639
Halloween is you said

3229
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:35,679
>> two So that's that's another 250.

3230
02:04:35,679 --> 02:04:39,040
>> So that's like 1,300 bucks. Santa is

3231
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,679
two.

3232
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:45,440
So, uh, that's another 250 like 1500.

3233
02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:47,599
And then River Day is how many?

3234
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:49,119
>> That was six, right?

3235
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:50,560
>> Because that's a big bonfire and

3236
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:51,199
everything.

3237
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:54,320
>> Yeah, River Day we did have, uh, one,

3238
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:56,480
two, three, four, probably four there

3239
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:59,760
anyways. Uh, but four to five would be

3240
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:00,560
fine.

3241
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:02,560
>> So, 2500 bucks is what we're talking

3242
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:04,000
about for those events.

3243
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:05,840
>> So, it's eating into the 25 to the

3244
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:09,520
50,000, but not by a whole bunch. I the

3245
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,320
finest seen less than 16,000.

3246
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:13,199
>> Do you

3247
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:15,280
>> could we have a spreadsheet that's like

3248
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:17,199
lists all this stuff and with the police

3249
02:05:17,199 --> 02:05:19,199
and the fire and how it's being paid

3250
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:22,480
for? I would that would make help me

3251
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:23,119
understand this.

3252
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:24,560
>> But it's not going to be a lot of money.

3253
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:28,560
>> Do you want how it's being paid for?

3254
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:29,199
>> Sure.

3255
02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:32,080
>> How it's being paid for or how much?

3256
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:32,400
>> Both.

3257
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:33,520
>> All of it.

3258
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,280
>> That's unfortunate.

3259
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:38,480
>> Okay. No, it's fine. And I think um how

3260
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:41,520
it's being paid for is

3261
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,639
you know last year everything was being

3262
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:46,800
paid for out of our budget aside from

3263
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:48,719
the few like ALS for ALS and stuff like

3264
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:50,880
that. pretty easy,

3265
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,199
>> right? We'll work that out so that when

3266
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:55,679
you decide whether to go forward with

3267
02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:57,920
the chief's position description and the

3268
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:00,159
chief's hiring, maybe at the next

3269
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:02,320
meeting, you'll have this information as

3270
02:06:02,320 --> 02:06:03,679
well. And you will also have the

3271
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:06,080
information on whether they think it's

3272
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:09,920
plausible to shave off or reallocate

3273
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:11,360
50,000 bucks.

3274
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,440
>> Do you have something to say?

3275
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:14,800
>> I did, but I lost it.

3276
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,599
>> Okay, you'll remember in a minute. Um

3277
02:06:17,599 --> 02:06:21,669
and um

3278
02:06:21,679 --> 02:06:22,880
» it's contagious.

3279
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:24,400
>> That happened to me.

3280
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,480
>> Probably a good thing. Um

3281
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,320
>> we don't h currently have a permitting

3282
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:30,000
process, right? Nothing like that.

3283
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:31,040
>> Oh, that was

3284
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:33,199
>> do we charge an admin administrative

3285
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:35,199
fee? That might be something you guys

3286
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:36,800
might want to look at going forward when

3287
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:40,320
you develop it. Is

3288
02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:43,040
the community right next door charges a

3289
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:47,679
10% administrative fee. Um, so they're

3290
02:06:47,679 --> 02:06:50,800
going to do a blasting detail. They tell

3291
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,560
the blaster it's going to be the

3292
02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,880
overtime rate, minimum of four, so he

3293
02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,560
can have a general budget when he pulls

3294
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:59,280
the permit. There's a 10% fee on top of

3295
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:00,719
that for them to do the paper.

3296
02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:02,159
>> And the police do that already with

3297
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:03,760
police details. So

3298
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,599
>> I believe this bill for fire.

3299
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,440
>> Yeah, we've been doing it for fire from

3300
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:09,679
a blasting standpoint, etc.

3301
02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:12,320
>> So in terms of the the permitting and

3302
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:14,320
the fees, I mean, I hate fees because I

3303
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:15,920
feel like you're

3304
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:17,599
Some people see it as gouging. So, I'd

3305
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:19,199
like to know justification for why

3306
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:20,880
you're charging the fee. Like, there's a

3307
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:24,639
reason, right? Um I would like to help

3308
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:27,199
with that process. I don't know who owns

3309
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:33,119
this that permitting process, but um I

3310
02:07:33,119 --> 02:07:35,599
was thinking that for next season,

3311
02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:36,000
>> yes,

3312
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,400
>> I'm going to start now working on a form

3313
02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:41,840
and a and a flow of of work on that

3314
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:43,360
>> that will involve all the departments

3315
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:47,270
that are necessary.

3316
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:51,760
Thank you. We good with that? We good?

3317
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:56,960
>> So that's it for fire engineers and then the finance is going to talk about

3318
02:07:56,960 --> 02:07:57,840
the town meeting.

3319
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,320
>> Yep. Okay. Thanks everybody. Thank you

3320
02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,320
very much. I know it's been a brutal

3321
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:18,390
night.

3322
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,159
Oh, do you guys I don't think they I

3323
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:22,639
don't think they adjourned whatever you

3324
02:08:22,639 --> 02:08:24,400
do.

3325
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:25,520
>> What was their own?

3326
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:26,400
>> Once they leave, they're

3327
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:29,669
>> adjourned.

3328
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:31,280
» Okay. So, how do you want to handle

3329
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:32,239
this? How do you want to go through

3330
02:08:32,239 --> 02:08:32,480
this?

3331
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:34,000
>> All right. So, do you want to go through

3332
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:35,280
article by article?

3333
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:38,560
>> Yeah, let's do that.

3334
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:43,109
>> All right. [clears throat]

3335
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:44,800
So, as the finance committee has

3336
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,639
probably seen, we're looking at a new um

3337
02:08:48,639 --> 02:08:51,119
format for the warrant. There's a cover

3338
02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:53,360
page, there's an index, and then there's

3339
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:55,840
a explanation of an explanation of each

3340
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:59,280
article. There will be on the monetary

3341
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,520
summary, a new column that says which

3342
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:06,480
boards and committees have supported a given article. Now, the

3343
02:09:06,480 --> 02:09:08,320
first six articles are planning board. I

3344
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,320
doubt you have any um their zoning

3345
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:12,000
bylaws. I doubt you have any comment on

3346
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:16,320
that. The seventh is the is a very big

3347
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:18,719
spending article for the replacement of

3348
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:21,440
the Essex Elementary School. Presently,

3349
02:09:21,440 --> 02:09:24,000
our understanding is that we're going to

3350
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:25,760
they're going to come up up with a final

3351
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:27,920
number. You said tomorrow night.

3352
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:31,520
>> Yeah. So, we were at 98.9 last week and

3353
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:33,760
they did value engineering on Thursday

3354
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:37,760
and got it to I think close to 95

3355
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,360
and then there's a few more things.

3356
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,840
One of which may be splitting the baby.

3357
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:47,280
Um, it's like 800,000. There may be some

3358
02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,320
compromise on that. So, I think we're at

3359
02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:52,639
95 right now, but we'll know solid

3360
02:09:52,639 --> 02:09:54,079
tomorrow night at the end of the night.

3361
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:55,760
Then whatever the number is, you take

3362
02:09:55,760 --> 02:10:00,320
off 20% for the MSBA contribution and

3363
02:10:00,320 --> 02:10:03,840
then onethird of that remainder is

3364
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:06,480
funded by the town of Essex.

3365
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,199
>> And then the other thing is to just when

3366
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:12,000
you guys met as a finance

3367
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,239
um as a committee with the finance

3368
02:10:14,239 --> 02:10:17,040
financing company, you how how you were

3369
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:18,880
borrowing had been decided

3370
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:20,800
>> back in March. We talked about it. Yes.

3371
02:10:20,800 --> 02:10:26,159
>> But that was banned. Correct. it was

3372
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:27,599
we didn't think the environment was

3373
02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:30,800
going to get any better and so I think

3374
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:32,960
they wanted to do some limited bands

3375
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:36,719
during construction and then get that

3376
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,079
whole amount of money as soon as

3377
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:38,800
possible.

3378
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:40,480
>> There's you're right there's an amount

3379
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,715
of time that you can hold on to

3380
02:10:43,715 --> 02:10:45,360
[clears throat] and if it's going to be

3381
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:50,639
a a rate game um as far as rolling into

3382
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:52,159
long-term debt. You're right. And we

3383
02:10:52,159 --> 02:10:56,880
were told by the um school district

3384
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:58,960
administration that as soon as we get a

3385
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:03,520
final number, they will rerun

3386
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:05,520
uh the financing that we talked about

3387
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:08,400
back in March against that number so

3388
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:10,000
that we'll actually be able to project

3389
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:13,040
out in each fiscal year approximately

3390
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:15,599
how much the average taxpayer would have

3391
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:17,920
to pay. And it's got obviously going to

3392
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:20,480
ramp up until we're at full build and

3393
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:23,599
then go from there. But we'll be able to

3394
02:11:23,599 --> 02:11:24,719
have that because people are going to

3395
02:11:24,719 --> 02:11:26,159
say, "Well, what's my what's this going

3396
02:11:26,159 --> 02:11:28,239
to do to my taxes?" Well, in the first

3397
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:30,560
few years, it's going to be more benign

3398
02:11:30,560 --> 02:11:33,440
than it is in the out years when we get

3399
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:38,320
to full full repayment. And didn't um

3400
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,000
did Michelle say that you guys were

3401
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:41,520
going to have a meeting at the end of

3402
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:45,520
this week again with with um Cinder or

3403
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,440
was that something that was

3404
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:49,040
>> She said that they were going to feed it

3405
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:50,880
right to Cinder so we could get the

3406
02:11:50,880 --> 02:11:53,760
information. Um but yeah, if it takes a

3407
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:54,239
meeting

3408
02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:55,920
>> we were going to meet. She said we were

3409
02:11:55,920 --> 02:11:58,480
going to meet with Cinder. And then

3410
02:11:58,480 --> 02:12:00,960
Mike, do you have any opinion though on

3411
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:04,239
any other firm that we may want to um

3412
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:06,639
use? Because she Michelle did bring that

3413
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:09,199
up. And and Pam, if there was another

3414
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:11,920
firm because I think when you and I

3415
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:16,960
spoke about this, you said that was our one opportunity to perhaps save some

3416
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:19,440
money by using a different firm.

3417
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:22,000
>> Um sometimes you can save some money.

3418
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:25,040
The market from municipal bonds is the

3419
02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:28,639
market. um you would assume that all two

3420
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:31,199
firms, three firms have equal execution

3421
02:12:31,199 --> 02:12:34,239
abilities, but sometimes if if a firm

3422
02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:35,920
who's bidding for this business knows

3423
02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:38,320
that there's competition, you can save a

3424
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:40,239
hundred,000,

3425
02:12:40,239 --> 02:12:43,920
which I do think is is material. So, if

3426
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,239
possible, I think it should be shopped

3427
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:48,560
to the two or you know, two or three

3428
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:49,360
firms. Right.

3429
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:52,480
>> That being said, um what's going on with

3430
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:55,520
the that sector is that the number of

3431
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,199
firms that do this has contracted over

3432
02:12:57,199 --> 02:12:58,159
the last 20.

3433
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:00,800
>> My concern though would be we're going

3434
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:02,800
to get delivered a number and we need

3435
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:05,360
somebody who can handle providing the

3436
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,920
projections and on our team right away.

3437
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:09,840
If you have to go through a process to

3438
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:15,040
maybe look at another couple of firms,

3439
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:16,719
you know, are we going to get the

3440
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,239
service we need from the firm that we

3441
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:20,560
have now? if they know that they're out

3442
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:23,440
the could be out the door, you we're

3443
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:25,679
going to need a fluid set of projections

3444
02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:27,840
from these people and right now they're

3445
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:29,520
retained.

3446
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,920
>> So, we've engaged this uh municipal bond

3447
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:33,360
firm. Correct.

3448
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:35,280
>> Oh, yes. They're engaged, right? So,

3449
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:36,480
we're we're not going to we're not going

3450
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:37,760
to bid this out then.

3451
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:39,520
>> I don't I don't think we have the time.

3452
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,679
>> Well, if you're engaged, you you'd have

3453
02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:44,159
to break the engagement letter, which is

3454
02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:47,119
>> barely done. Can you um reach out to

3455
02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:49,360
Michelle Questa tomorrow and copy Mike

3456
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:51,920
and Jody on that?

3457
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:53,840
>> If we're engaged then I there's very

3458
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:56,639
little of little chance of shopping this

3459
02:13:56,639 --> 02:13:58,639
>> right but I think Jod's not

3460
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:01,280
>> I'm not I'm not convinced that that um

3461
02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:04,159
they are engaged. I because Michelle and

3462
02:14:04,159 --> 02:14:06,320
Pam said at the meeting if you want to

3463
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,960
use someone else let us know.

3464
02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:10,560
>> All right. I will I will get the

3465
02:14:10,560 --> 02:14:13,199
information on that. But if they say,

3466
02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:14,719
"Oh, yeah, we could do that, but it's

3467
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:16,239
going to take four weeks."

3468
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:18,400
>> Then guess what? We can't do it.

3469
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:18,719
>> So,

3470
02:14:18,719 --> 02:14:19,440
>> we're out of time.

3471
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:22,159
>> What's our Essex number right now?

3472
02:14:22,159 --> 02:14:22,960
>> I thought we said

3473
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:27,119
>> it's 95 minus 20% times

3474
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:30,480
>> a third. So, it's 25 million to Essex.

3475
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:31,840
>> How does that compare to Manchester

3476
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:34,719
Memorial Post? That gross number.

3477
02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:36,719
>> Oh, it was a lot less.

3478
02:14:36,719 --> 02:14:38,719
>> A lot less, but and we only had to pay

3479
02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:41,440
onethird of a lot less.

3480
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:44,480
It was either 50

3481
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:46,000
>> I think it was 50 or 48.

3482
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:47,199
>> 48 I believe it was.

3483
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:49,199
>> Let me check with Sarah.

3484
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:51,040
>> Construction inflation has been crazy in

3485
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:51,920
that time.

3486
02:14:51,920 --> 02:14:53,199
>> Yeah.

3487
02:14:53,199 --> 02:14:54,000
>> Crazy.

3488
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:55,360
>> And actually when we were at a

3489
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:57,040
collaboration meeting I ran some quick

3490
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,920
math just using I think it was a 10%

3491
02:14:59,920 --> 02:15:03,199
factor for for escalation

3492
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:07,679
and uh it came out roughly to where they

3493
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:09,840
ended up.

3494
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:10,880
I would just point out

3495
02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:12,800
>> that was 2021.

3496
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:16,000
>> Time is not our ally here just with what

3497
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:17,840
rates have been doing. If you go back

3498
02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:20,159
since 2022,

3499
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:22,960
>> we had a secular downturn in rates and

3500
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:26,880
now we are on a secular uptick. I don't

3501
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,840
think it's worth bidding this out to

3502
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:33,119
save a1 or $200,000

3503
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:36,079
when the big picture financing we need

3504
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:38,800
to get that in place. And bans basically

3505
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:42,079
just bridge you to the bond issue,

3506
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:43,840
whatever that date is actually going to

3507
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:46,800
be. We just don't want that to be too

3508
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:47,280
far out.

3509
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:48,560
>> Far out.

3510
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:49,199
>> Yeah.

3511
02:15:49,199 --> 02:15:50,639
>> And I would agree with Ben. And I I

3512
02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:52,800
think rates are if the Treasury

3513
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,360
pressures in our debt, I think

3514
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:56,960
treasuries are going to drive higher

3515
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,079
municipal rates.

3516
02:15:58,079 --> 02:16:00,719
>> Yeah. All right. So, I will get that

3517
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:02,800
information about the engagement and

3518
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,400
what it would take even if they can

3519
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:07,119
break it just for everybody to see. Are

3520
02:16:07,119 --> 02:16:08,400
there any other questions on that

3521
02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:09,040
article?

3522
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:12,480
>> I have one question and that is that

3523
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:15,520
um we both communities have smart

3524
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,159
incomes. Do we want to have a a joint

3525
02:16:18,159 --> 02:16:20,800
meeting with them before

3526
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:23,840
um November 16th.

3527
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:25,360
Do you guys feel like you want to do

3528
02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:27,760
that with the Manchester fin or you

3529
02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:30,320
don't have to? I'm just wondering.

3530
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:33,280
>> Um I'm not sure of what the advantage of

3531
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:35,040
that would be at this point. I think

3532
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:38,080
they're so worried about marketing. Um

3533
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,559
we're we're really

3534
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:42,240
numbers organization over here and

3535
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,160
they're really worried about the

3536
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:45,599
marketing piece of this that I don't

3537
02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:48,639
want to derail them but and I we tried

3538
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:49,920
to do the joint meeting with the

3539
02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:51,280
question and answers

3540
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:53,120
>> and they didn't

3541
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:54,719
>> they weren't excited. Annie, what year

3542
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:57,679
was the vote for memorial?

3543
02:16:57,679 --> 02:16:59,120
>> I don't know. Was it

3544
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:01,280
>> 2019 maybe?

3545
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:02,639
>> I'm asking Let me ask Sarah.

3546
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:05,280
>> No, I'm I I have the um I have it right

3547
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:06,880
here.

3548
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:09,679
I travel with stuff like this. Who was

3549
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:14,559
on that committee? Well, you were you're just as responsible for your

3550
02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:17,830
memory.

3551
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:19,359
» Um

3552
02:17:19,359 --> 02:17:24,790
public safety

3553
02:17:24,800 --> 02:17:27,359
» 2015.

3554
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:28,559
>> No, that's too early.

3555
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:31,120
>> That's too early. I can look it up but

3556
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:31,359
not

3557
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:32,479
>> my mind is

3558
02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:36,709
>> I think they were sequentially

3559
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:39,359
» all right so there's that one article 8

3560
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:41,200
adoption of the fire chief statute I

3561
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:42,880
think you've heard what what the

3562
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:44,719
challenge is there and we're going to

3563
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:46,639
get some more information from the board

3564
02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:49,040
of fire engineers the elderly and

3565
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:52,639
disabled taxation fund is article 9 um

3566
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:55,920
this is a fund that is contributed to by

3567
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:58,399
private donations and then there has to

3568
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,880
be a group a committee, some of which

3569
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:02,960
are prescribed in the law as to who they

3570
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:06,160
are, uh, would figure out how to dole

3571
02:18:06,160 --> 02:18:08,960
out whatever comes in. Any questions on

3572
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:10,719
that?

3573
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:12,880
It would be donated money, not coming

3574
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:14,080
from the tax.

3575
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:17,679
>> How often does the money have to go out

3576
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:20,880
that's delivered in, donated in?

3577
02:18:20,880 --> 02:18:22,800
>> You can, if there's not any money, you

3578
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:24,960
can't do anything out. So it it's I

3579
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:26,240
think it's at the discretion of that

3580
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:28,559
committee and they actually determine

3581
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,160
all of those factors. Okay.

3582
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:31,760
>> Once you seat them that you're just

3583
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,319
voting to like pass this then that

3584
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:35,840
committee um

3585
02:18:35,840 --> 02:18:38,719
>> right but the committee is certain u

3586
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:41,760
members are prescribed by yeah law. So

3587
02:18:41,760 --> 02:18:43,679
>> I just didn't know whether they made you

3588
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:45,840
do something with it

3589
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:48,800
>> you know fre on some schedule.

3590
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:51,439
>> This is the one where had this and

3591
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:53,679
they've disbanded it. Is that right?

3592
02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:54,319
Well,

3593
02:18:54,319 --> 02:18:56,240
>> is there going to be like a threshold

3594
02:18:56,240 --> 02:18:58,719
before they actually, you know,

3595
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:00,000
>> I think they have to determine all that.

3596
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,280
>> They would determine that. That's what

3597
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:01,599
that

3598
02:19:01,599 --> 02:19:03,200
>> if you only have 200 bucks in there, no

3599
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:05,120
one's going to start giving that out.

3600
02:19:05,120 --> 02:19:07,040
>> It's not going to be an in town

3601
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:07,599
committee.

3602
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:09,840
>> Yes, it is. It has to be. That's what

3603
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:10,719
the law says.

3604
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:12,559
>> Yeah. One person, the the chair of the

3605
02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:14,800
board of assessors,

3606
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,800
um I think the treasurer, so that's

3607
02:19:16,800 --> 02:19:19,280
Brooke, and then three folks. And we

3608
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:20,880
talked a little bit about what would

3609
02:19:20,880 --> 02:19:22,719
those Oh, sorry, Mike. You were there.

3610
02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:24,160
three of the folks that would be

3611
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:25,519
appropriate like what were the

3612
02:19:25,519 --> 02:19:27,840
qualifications but that is really not

3613
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:30,479
the job of this working group. It's just

3614
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:32,000
yeah it's the people that they

3615
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:33,679
>> I just wanted to be clear on what it

3616
02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:34,160
was.

3617
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:36,080
>> Um just so that you know go back

3618
02:19:36,080 --> 02:19:38,240
Manchester Memorial was voted in October

3619
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:43,280
of 2018. It was 13.2 million to Essex.

3620
02:19:43,280 --> 02:19:44,240
>> Wow.

3621
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:45,840
>> Big difference.

3622
02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:47,679
>> Sure is.

3623
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:50,560
>> Um okay. Article 10. the water plant

3624
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,960
carbon media replacement

3625
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:56,080
that comes out of a special fund which

3626
02:19:56,080 --> 02:19:58,240
we are receiving money like many

3627
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:01,520
communities across the country for PAS

3628
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,120
damages.

3629
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:07,120
Um we have had PAS detects but um

3630
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:10,479
nothing in finished water. So our our

3631
02:20:10,479 --> 02:20:13,600
PAS levels are low enough

3632
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:15,520
where they're in the raw water, but our

3633
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:17,120
carbon filtration system, which is

3634
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:19,040
primarily how you deal with PAS, is

3635
02:20:19,040 --> 02:20:21,280
taking it out.

3636
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:24,240
So this this system is going to be

3637
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:28,240
replaced, but not on the general fund

3638
02:20:28,240 --> 02:20:29,840
then. And I don't have a figure on it

3639
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:32,240
yet. I'm waiting for that from from

3640
02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:35,200
Mandy. Water and sewer rate studies. My

3641
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:37,600
understanding is that it could cost $50

3642
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:41,200
or $60,000 to do a pair of studies total

3643
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,800
for water and sewer. Um, and this would

3644
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:47,600
come from partially from water retained

3645
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:49,600
earnings and partially from sewer

3646
02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:51,920
retained earnings.

3647
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:54,479
>> And do you want to explain the value of

3648
02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:57,600
doing this? So it as it was explained to

3649
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,280
us by the chairman of the board of

3650
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:03,120
public works, the idea is to factor in

3651
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:06,000
to the rates on an ongoing basis an

3652
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,319
amount of money that will over time

3653
02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:10,240
amass enough so that when you have a

3654
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:13,120
capital need, the money is there. If

3655
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:15,680
you're just computing rates based on

3656
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:16,960
what it takes to get through the

3657
02:21:16,960 --> 02:21:19,760
operations year, then eventually you're

3658
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,240
going to run out of money to deal with

3659
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:23,680
what we have in Essex, which is

3660
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:26,560
basically a replacement of every inch of

3661
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:29,920
water mane that we currently have.

3662
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:32,720
And so he wants to plan proactively.

3663
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:35,120
That's water sewer. You're talking about

3664
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,160
replacing big pumps, not as much pipes

3665
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,160
because they're modern plastic pipes.

3666
02:21:40,160 --> 02:21:43,439
Whereas the water pipes are the um

3667
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:46,479
asbestos concrete transite pipes which

3668
02:21:46,479 --> 02:21:49,680
have a very long service life but in

3669
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:51,600
2019 I think they said there was about

3670
02:21:51,600 --> 02:21:56,720
37 years left and so times tick. So they

3671
02:21:56,720 --> 02:21:58,479
would like to study that so that they

3672
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:01,200
can bring in with each year's rates an

3673
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,040
appropriate amount of money so that when

3674
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:04,319
they need to do each one of these

3675
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:07,040
replacement projects the rate payers are

3676
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,200
helping to fund that.

3677
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:12,720
um article 12 public works equipment. We

3678
02:22:12,720 --> 02:22:15,359
did have listed a winch on a DPW truck

3679
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:17,359
that has since come off because they

3680
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:18,800
think they can handle that within the

3681
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,319
budget. They weren't sure how much it

3682
02:22:20,319 --> 02:22:21,920
was going to be, but they can handle

3683
02:22:21,920 --> 02:22:24,800
that. Um then the replacement of a

3684
02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:27,120
generator at the DPW barn and the

3685
02:22:27,120 --> 02:22:28,880
installation of an automatic transfer

3686
02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:32,319
switch. Right now, we have a portable

3687
02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:35,760
generator, a wheeled unit that was

3688
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:38,720
provided to the town in like 2004 as

3689
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:41,120
part of the sewer project that they're

3690
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:43,439
using to power the barn when there's a

3691
02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:45,280
power outage. But there's no automatic

3692
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:47,680
transfer switch, which requires somebody

3693
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,600
from the union to come in and flip it

3694
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:52,080
on, even if they're not actually doing

3695
02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:57,439
anything but powering up the barn.

3696
02:22:57,439 --> 02:22:59,439
uh so that

3697
02:22:59,439 --> 02:23:01,359
people can continue to come get salt and

3698
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:05,120
sand or uh in the in now uh the fuel

3699
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,680
depot is powered off the barn as well.

3700
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:11,040
So it would make sense for them to just

3701
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:12,800
get a new generator and an automatic

3702
02:23:12,800 --> 02:23:15,760
transfer switch. Mandy said looking at

3703
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:19,280
it would be more economical instead of

3704
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:21,120
one giant generator because they also

3705
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:22,960
want to power the transfer station and

3706
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:24,960
not have to close the transfer station

3707
02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:27,920
when the power's out.

3708
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,439
Talking to people in the industry, it's

3709
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:31,120
going to be less money to buy three

3710
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,840
generators and three switches. One for

3711
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:36,160
the barn that powers the barn and the

3712
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:40,160
fuel depot, one for the compactor pad

3713
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:42,160
that does the recycling, and one for the

3714
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:45,040
transfer station as opposed to one giant

3715
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:47,600
generator because once you put one giant

3716
02:23:47,600 --> 02:23:49,600
generator down, you have to run

3717
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:51,280
electrical conduits and that's going to

3718
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,280
cost a lot more money than short

3719
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:56,160
conduits from small generators. So you

3720
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:59,520
might see a proposal and this is this is

3721
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,200
all in the general fund because it's not

3722
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:03,439
water or sewer per se. It's the DPW

3723
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:08,080
barn, the fuel depot, the the uh

3724
02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:10,319
recycling center and the transfer

3725
02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:12,640
station. I guess you could come up with

3726
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:14,720
some money from water or sewer but not a

3727
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:16,960
lot. But you're going to see figures on

3728
02:24:16,960 --> 02:24:17,439
that.

3729
02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:19,520
>> But you could prioritize too.

3730
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:21,920
>> You could. Yes. But this says

3731
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:26,640
>> in addition to is that in that 111

3732
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,280
is the 1262 or is that is are the

3733
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,040
generators in addition to that?

3734
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:32,560
>> Let me look at my sheet.

3735
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:34,080
>> Well, the question there's no breakdown.

3736
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,319
>> This says replacement of generator that

3737
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:38,240
single. So is are there multiple? You

3738
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:38,560
just

3739
02:24:38,560 --> 02:24:40,479
>> there's only one but what they're saying

3740
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:42,800
is this is recent thinking

3741
02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:44,560
>> that I just heard about last week.

3742
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:47,200
>> Oh. They started by saying they started

3743
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:49,520
by saying we want to take this portable

3744
02:24:49,520 --> 02:24:52,319
generator that powers the barn and by

3745
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:54,960
extension the fuel depot and replace it

3746
02:24:54,960 --> 02:24:56,800
and have a new automatic transfer

3747
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,760
switch. But now they're on to, well, we

3748
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,359
ought to really be able to run the whole

3749
02:25:01,359 --> 02:25:03,359
deal when there's no power. And if we're

3750
02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:04,800
going to go for it, let's go for it. But

3751
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:06,720
as Peter just said, we may or may not

3752
02:25:06,720 --> 02:25:08,240
have enough money to do that.

3753
02:25:08,240 --> 02:25:10,000
>> And even Mandy agreed if we have to

3754
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:11,600
start with the barn and fuel depot, then

3755
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:12,800
that's where we would start.

3756
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:15,280
>> Okay. And um so Jody, I'll go ahead.

3757
02:25:15,280 --> 02:25:16,560
>> Also be aware of,

3758
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:19,200
>> you know, all those generators that

3759
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:20,720
require maintenance going forward.

3760
02:25:20,720 --> 02:25:21,600
>> Yep. And a contract.

3761
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:23,840
>> Also go into that with eyes wide open

3762
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:26,640
saying it's 10,000 a year for the

3763
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:27,439
maintenance contract,

3764
02:25:27,439 --> 02:25:29,280
>> right? And so you got to look at the t

3765
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:31,600
total cost. And so Jody, you're talking

3766
02:25:31,600 --> 02:25:34,399
about uh the 112

3767
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:38,720
111200 in public works equipment. That

3768
02:25:38,720 --> 02:25:41,359
is just reflective of some of the things

3769
02:25:41,359 --> 02:25:43,040
that I knew about. And it's not the

3770
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,960
total. I don't even have the generator

3771
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:47,280
cost right now. For instance, the new

3772
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:49,840
sidewalk plow. So, by the way, the next

3773
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:51,520
thing is the radiator on the water

3774
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:53,520
filtration plant generator. They're

3775
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:54,640
going to go ahead and do that even

3776
02:25:54,640 --> 02:25:56,080
before town meeting because they found

3777
02:25:56,080 --> 02:25:59,040
out over this last storm that it isn't

3778
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:02,080
safe. That runs the entire water plant

3779
02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:03,840
when there's a power outage and it

3780
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:06,479
wasn't working very well. So there

3781
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:09,280
that's going to be converted to them

3782
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:11,359
looking for money in article 18 to

3783
02:26:11,359 --> 02:26:12,880
refund one of their lines, but that's

3784
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,560
going to come out of water retained

3785
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,399
earnings.

3786
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:18,640
>> So what so what's the cost of the repair

3787
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:19,439
for the radiator?

3788
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,120
>> I don't have a number yet on any of

3789
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:22,319
these things. I only have a lift.

3790
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:24,399
>> Then replace that generator. I mean,

3791
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:25,760
what size generator are we talking

3792
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:26,160
about? I

3793
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:27,359
>> I don't know.

3794
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:29,840
>> Okay. Because I know I mean I run an 18k

3795
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:32,319
generator and a transfer switch and at

3796
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:35,120
cost that's $5,500 for a single

3797
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:37,280
generator. The transfer switch is

3798
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:39,840
another like $2500. The electrical on

3799
02:26:39,840 --> 02:26:42,720
that's another $200 or $3,000. So we're

3800
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:46,160
talking minimum here of 10 or 12,000.

3801
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:47,200
And I think they're going to have a

3802
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:50,399
bigger switch than that. So

3803
02:26:50,399 --> 02:26:51,680
radiator

3804
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:54,000
>> this is not an 18k. This is for the

3805
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:54,960
water plant. Yeah.

3806
02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:57,359
>> It's probably 80 or 100. Well, that's

3807
02:26:57,359 --> 02:26:59,040
what I mean. I mean, we're not talking

3808
02:26:59,040 --> 02:27:00,399
short money here,

3809
02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:00,880
>> okay?

3810
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:02,319
>> But they're saying that they want to fix

3811
02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:04,720
the radiator because the unit has enough

3812
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:06,560
service life

3813
02:27:06,560 --> 02:27:07,760
>> that they're not going to touch the

3814
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:09,040
water department. They're going to

3815
02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:10,240
service.

3816
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:11,920
>> They're going to replace the radiator.

3817
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:13,520
>> Just the radiator. And I think she said

3818
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:15,359
something about 15,000. I'd have to look

3819
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:16,319
back at my notes.

3820
02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:18,080
>> If we're going to chuck all this in one

3821
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:20,880
article, can we have this as a table

3822
02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:23,040
with the cost per item so that

3823
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,760
>> 100%. But we don't even have no details.

3824
02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:27,680
Yes, you'll have a you'll have a table.

3825
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:28,319
>> Yeah, sorry.

3826
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:29,920
>> Which is the monetary summary, but it

3827
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:31,359
won't be in the warrant. We won't even

3828
02:27:31,359 --> 02:27:32,160
have the numbers.

3829
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:33,760
>> No, but the Fincom would like to have

3830
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:35,120
the table now.

3831
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:36,720
>> Absolutely. But I don't have the

3832
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:38,560
>> thing. Also, I want it on this sheet.

3833
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:38,960
Yeah.

3834
02:27:38,960 --> 02:27:40,160
>> Yes. But I don't have all the

3835
02:27:40,160 --> 02:27:43,120
information.

3836
02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:44,399
>> It doesn't come from me. Okay.

3837
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:48,160
>> Um the sidewalk plow 75,000.

3838
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:51,439
>> The dump body I think was 15,000. And

3839
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:54,240
then the new removable

3840
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:55,920
plastic sanders for some of the dump

3841
02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:57,600
trucks. There was a figure on that as

3842
02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:00,479
well. Um, but I can put it I can try to

3843
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:02,160
get the rest of the info and put it in a

3844
02:28:02,160 --> 02:28:03,200
table.

3845
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:04,880
>> Thank you. Thank you.

3846
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:05,840
>> All right.

3847
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:08,080
>> And and are and are there tradeins on

3848
02:28:08,080 --> 02:28:09,920
some of this equipment? So, the sidewalk

3849
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:13,760
plow, we have two um

3850
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:15,120
what are those pieces of

3851
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:17,359
>> whackers? Whackers. I hate them. The the

3852
02:28:17,359 --> 02:28:19,280
two whackers. So, we bought we just

3853
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:20,960
bought a brand new whacker for exactly

3854
02:28:20,960 --> 02:28:22,319
that purpose, right?

3855
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,319
>> So, what are we what are we doing here

3856
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:25,840
for

3857
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:29,280
>> number one? Number two,

3858
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:30,720
>> I feel like we've got the cart before

3859
02:28:30,720 --> 02:28:32,240
the horse here. We don't have a

3860
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:34,880
professional superintendent yet to say

3861
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:37,520
to weigh in on, you know, is this the

3862
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:40,479
right equipment? We spent a ton of money

3863
02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:42,720
last year on subcontractors for snow

3864
02:28:42,720 --> 02:28:45,359
removal. And I think that I'd really

3865
02:28:45,359 --> 02:28:47,680
like to slow this role a little bit so

3866
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:51,359
that we, you know, this sort of like the

3867
02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:54,399
>> and we had hoped to talk to the board of

3868
02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:56,160
public works about each one of these

3869
02:28:56,160 --> 02:28:58,000
things, but that got delayed.

3870
02:28:58,000 --> 02:28:59,680
>> It still has to happen like

3871
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:01,200
>> Yeah. So, I'm going to go to Manny and

3872
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:02,880
say, "Look, I need the numbers and I'll

3873
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:04,800
tabulate it and send that out to

3874
02:29:04,800 --> 02:29:07,760
everybody." Um, the next one is article

3875
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:09,439
13, the police cruiser. That's going to

3876
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:13,200
be at least 70 70 75,000.

3877
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:14,880
>> They just got a bill in the warrant for

3878
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:17,760
63, right?

3879
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:19,680
>> A bill. I'm sorry.

3880
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:22,960
>> In the warrant was the police car last,

3881
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:25,600
>> but that had already been appropriated.

3882
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:26,800
>> So, you're saying 75?

3883
02:29:26,800 --> 02:29:28,399
>> Depends on what they want to buy.

3884
02:29:28,399 --> 02:29:28,720
>> Okay.

3885
02:29:28,720 --> 02:29:30,800
But we could use the vehicle fund

3886
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:31,680
for that.

3887
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:35,830
>> Yes. Yes.

3888
02:29:35,840 --> 02:29:38,160
Uh then we have community preservation

3889
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:39,840
projects. The only thing we're aware of

3890
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:43,760
right now is whether or not we the

3891
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,120
selectman [clears throat] want to apply

3892
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,920
for erosion control projects at the

3893
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:50,399
Centennial Grove, the slope coming down

3894
02:29:50,399 --> 02:29:52,000
to the beach and the slope coming down

3895
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,240
from the cottage. They were identified

3896
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:58,240
as um detrimental to the lake in a

3897
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:00,800
recent study. And it's either going to

3898
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:03,760
be the DPW tells us that they have the

3899
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,960
equipment and personnel to do it and we

3900
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:09,439
just need to do materials versus do we

3901
02:30:09,439 --> 02:30:11,439
need to get a price to shop the whole

3902
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:13,280
thing out?

3903
02:30:13,280 --> 02:30:15,359
And that will come from from the

3904
02:30:15,359 --> 02:30:18,880
community preservation fund.

3905
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:21,439
Um

3906
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:24,080
the special purpose stabilization funds,

3907
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:26,080
we have 12 of them. Have you come to any

3908
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:27,520
recommendations on that?

3909
02:30:27,520 --> 02:30:28,960
>> No, we haven't even talked about it. We

3910
02:30:28,960 --> 02:30:31,920
did 143 last year. I know we cut back on

3911
02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:32,479
certain.

3912
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:34,240
>> You chose to do some and not others.

3913
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,399
>> Chose to do some and not others. And we

3914
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:37,439
didn't get to that part of the

3915
02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:38,319
discussion tonight.

3916
02:30:38,319 --> 02:30:38,720
>> Okay.

3917
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:41,760
>> Hey, can I just put a plug in here for

3918
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:43,280
the fact that we're not going to really

3919
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,200
if we're going to be passing a building

3920
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:49,280
project that's that significant?

3921
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:51,200
There's no appetite, I think, for an

3922
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:54,399
override for a few years. I don't think

3923
02:30:54,399 --> 02:30:57,280
so. So, is there any I would like to you

3924
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:58,880
consider, you know, if you want to put

3925
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:00,399
some money in that school aortionment

3926
02:31:00,399 --> 02:31:04,399
fund. Are there other funds that could

3927
02:31:04,399 --> 02:31:07,760
that we could park some money in

3928
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:10,720
get us through? So, we won't be using

3929
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:16,240
the school aortionment fund again. What we found is that setting aside

3930
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:19,520
money and then using that money years

3931
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:21,840
down the road created a funding cliff

3932
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:24,399
the next year. So it it's not

3933
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:27,439
advantageous for that. Um I think we

3934
02:31:27,439 --> 02:31:30,160
could park additional money in things

3935
02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:34,560
like um

3936
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,640
uh vehicle

3937
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:38,640
so that it doesn't hit you know the

3938
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,000
taxpayer directly. Uh the technology

3939
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:45,840
fund we we fund I mean we were very

3940
02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:48,399
careful last year because we knew we're

3941
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:51,200
going into another override situation at

3942
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:54,080
any rate. Yeah, you you definitely want

3943
02:31:54,080 --> 02:31:57,359
to stick with one-time things, one-time

3944
02:31:57,359 --> 02:31:59,120
purchases because it's onetime money

3945
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:00,399
that you're getting it from,

3946
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:02,240
>> not funding operating budgets.

3947
02:32:02,240 --> 02:32:04,800
Basically,

3948
02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:07,840
>> um the reserve fund is generally just

3949
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:09,760
brought up back to full, right? I don't

3950
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:11,200
know what you spent out of it yet this

3951
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:13,200
year. I don't think a lot.

3952
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:15,680
>> Uh no, we just did 2,200.

3953
02:32:15,680 --> 02:32:17,439
>> Yeah. So, what that's usually a small

3954
02:32:17,439 --> 02:32:20,000
number. The retirey health insurance.

3955
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:21,840
So, this is OPED. We thought we were

3956
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:23,439
right near the end. I know Brian, you've

3957
02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:25,120
been looking at it and Jody, you've been

3958
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:28,080
looking at it. We got an explanation

3959
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:32,319
from the actuarial company and it's kind

3960
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:36,000
of like chasing this thing

3961
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:39,680
until you get way over the goal because

3962
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,080
the basis changes every year.

3963
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:44,319
>> Yeah. And I think the you know the what

3964
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:47,200
the actuary had said was a 100% funding

3965
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:49,200
goal initially but it I think the you

3966
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:51,680
know there's there's clear risk in that

3967
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,200
there's always risk because of market

3968
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:55,200
volatility of falling back beneath 100%

3969
02:32:55,200 --> 02:32:56,880
down to whatever right but yeah

3970
02:32:56,880 --> 02:32:57,680
>> but

3971
02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:59,520
>> at 100 that risk gets substantially

3972
02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:02,479
higher than say 105 or 110.

3973
02:33:02,479 --> 02:33:04,479
Can I just make a point though about

3974
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:05,359
because [clears throat] I was looking at

3975
02:33:05,359 --> 02:33:08,880
the OPED 2. Um

3976
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:11,600
June 30th of 2025

3977
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:16,080
our OPED liability was 1.9 million. Uh

3978
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:20,000
by June 30th of 26 it was 500,000.

3979
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:21,439
>> We put a million bucks in.

3980
02:33:21,439 --> 02:33:23,359
>> I know we put in a million bucks. Right.

3981
02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:25,520
But my point is we've gone,

3982
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:27,439
>> you know, we there has been a lot of

3983
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:29,840
market appreciation. So, we've gone from

3984
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:34,160
62% to 90% funded. We're in striking

3985
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:38,080
zone. I realize you can't just get to 100 and then

3986
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:39,920
>> you're done because you're

3987
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:41,920
>> It'll always change. And do you really

3988
02:33:41,920 --> 02:33:42,640
want to Yeah.

3989
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,880
>> You may have to overfund it or at least

3990
02:33:44,880 --> 02:33:48,560
just refund it as you go. You know, top

3991
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:48,960
it off

3992
02:33:48,960 --> 02:33:51,520
>> and not count on as much of a draw in

3993
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,520
that year, which means you're back

3994
02:33:53,520 --> 02:33:55,280
relying on the general fund again.

3995
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:57,760
purposes to get off of the general fund,

3996
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:59,840
but until you get to a much higher

3997
02:33:59,840 --> 02:34:01,920
level, it's going to be this back and

3998
02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:02,319
forth.

3999
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:03,920
>> Yeah. I mean, there and there's not a

4000
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:07,920
massive cash advantage to, you know, to early funding. I mean, over 10 years

4001
02:34:07,920 --> 02:34:09,920
if you put a bunch in, you know,

4002
02:34:09,920 --> 02:34:13,760
different scenarios, but it but what you are hedging against is the risk

4003
02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:15,760
of that one bad year prior to being

4004
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:17,439
fully funded, right? So, there's there's

4005
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:19,200
a reason to do it, but it's hedging

4006
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:21,439
against a risk, you know, a 2% return

4007
02:34:21,439 --> 02:34:23,680
year that actually puts you back, right?

4008
02:34:23,680 --> 02:34:26,240
Even when you're even Right. So Mike,

4009
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:28,399
>> did they quantify where the comfort

4010
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:30,319
level stops? I know actually those are

4011
02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:31,040
horrible about

4012
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:32,399
>> Did you have a chance to share that

4013
02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:33,280
breakdown that

4014
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:34,560
>> that's what I brought with me to think

4015
02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:35,840
we hadn't gotten to our

4016
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:37,200
>> Do you do you have it to read?

4017
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:37,920
>> Oh, I know.

4018
02:34:37,920 --> 02:34:40,399
>> Because it's not that long.

4019
02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:41,280
>> This is from that guy.

4020
02:34:41,280 --> 02:34:45,910
>> This is from the actuarial guy.

4021
02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:47,359
» Um

4022
02:34:47,359 --> 02:34:48,800
>> I think I forwarded it.

4023
02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:52,800
>> No, no, this is his comments via email

4024
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:55,040
crystallizing OPED

4025
02:34:55,040 --> 02:34:57,439
>> the what the report really means and

4026
02:34:57,439 --> 02:34:58,720
that's what I thought was really

4027
02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:01,680
telling. I can find it if

4028
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:02,960
>> uh from Parker, right?

4029
02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:03,760
>> Yes.

4030
02:35:03,760 --> 02:35:06,240
>> Um he said this was the roll forward

4031
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:09,040
year. So the higher than expect expected

4032
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:11,439
healthcare renewal for 2026 does not

4033
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:14,160
impact the liability results. Had those

4034
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:16,720
been reflected, I anticipate that would

4035
02:35:16,720 --> 02:35:19,439
add about $750,000 to the OPED

4036
02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:22,720
liabilities while would reduce plan

4037
02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:25,359
funding to about 79% and increase the

4038
02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:28,640
unfunded to about 1.25 million. Falltown

4039
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:30,479
meeting appropriation. Obviously, we

4040
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:32,000
encourage an appropriation if you can

4041
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:34,880
afford it. There's no magic uh to it to

4042
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:36,960
the $55,000

4043
02:35:36,960 --> 02:35:38,880
as I'd expect the target to be somewhere

4044
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:41,200
higher absent of a favorable renewal of

4045
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:45,280
the 2027 Medicare supplement plans.

4046
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:48,479
OPB investment policy, you're we're not

4047
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:49,840
your investment manager, but your

4048
02:35:49,840 --> 02:35:51,600
portfolio is on the more aggressive

4049
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:53,600
side. That's been great in this market.

4050
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,200
However, as you approach full funding,

4051
02:35:55,200 --> 02:35:56,880
you may wish to move to a more balanced

4052
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:59,520
investment policy model to limit

4053
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:02,319
volatility. It's ultimately your call,

4054
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:04,240
but given the long road you've been

4055
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:06,399
taken to full funding, we don't want to

4056
02:36:06,399 --> 02:36:08,560
see a reversal. Acurals versus

4057
02:36:08,560 --> 02:36:10,399
distributions, you have a relatively

4058
02:36:10,399 --> 02:36:13,280
mature population such that the annual

4059
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:15,680
benefits curls service cost about

4060
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:19,200
$115,000 while the pay as you go costs

4061
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:21,439
uh is about $340,000.

4062
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:23,520
So absent any preunding, you are paying

4063
02:36:23,520 --> 02:36:27,520
down the unfunded by 225,000 per year

4064
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:30,319
simply via paying the current retirey

4065
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:33,439
health care versus the annual budget

4066
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:35,439
preunding to withdrawals. Once you

4067
02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:36,960
achieve full funding in the next few

4068
02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:39,120
years, I expect recent health care cost

4069
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,600
increases to pu to push it back one or

4070
02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:43,439
two years. You will then be in a

4071
02:36:43,439 --> 02:36:45,040
position to seek reimbursement for the

4072
02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:47,280
pay as you go costs from the OPED trust

4073
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:49,439
each year. And the technical mechanics

4074
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:51,200
are that you would fund the service cost

4075
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:53,280
and withdraw the pay as you go. Taking

4076
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:55,760
out the net does the same thing. When to

4077
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:57,439
start withdrawals, there's no magic

4078
02:36:57,439 --> 02:36:58,880
date, but it will probably be

4079
02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:01,200
recommended that you would get to 105 to

4080
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:04,160
110% before you begin the annual

4081
02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:06,399
withdrawal process to allow some margin.

4082
02:37:06,399 --> 02:37:08,000
>> And that's going to take several year

4083
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,479
several fiscal years in his estimation.

4084
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:12,000
>> So you're not going to hit it this year.

4085
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:13,680
>> So we're not going to hit it this year.

4086
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,560
I think you know that there's there's

4087
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:18,399
all kinds of numbers being thrown around

4088
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:20,560
here, right? But at the end of the day,

4089
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,319
what does this mean to the average

4090
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:24,399
taxpayer? Because these guys are

4091
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:27,680
brainiacs and I'm the 1 plus 1 equals 2

4092
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:29,920
person, right? So, I'm going to boil it

4093
02:37:29,920 --> 02:37:32,080
down to what this means to taxpayers.

4094
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:35,920
And what it really means is that we're

4095
02:37:35,920 --> 02:37:38,399
going to free up levy capacity when we

4096
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:40,560
start to draw.

4097
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:43,520
That's right. So, you know, I think that

4098
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:46,160
the finance committee long before I was

4099
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:50,560
on was their number one priority to fund

4100
02:37:50,560 --> 02:37:54,640
OPED and be aggressive about it. Um, I

4101
02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:56,560
came on and didn't know what OPED was.

4102
02:37:56,560 --> 02:38:00,080
So, so what's your estimate today for

4103
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:01,359
what you want to do?

4104
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:02,960
>> I thought we were in striking distance,

4105
02:38:02,960 --> 02:38:05,280
but after hearing that, it seems to me

4106
02:38:05,280 --> 02:38:06,960
>> I did too. And then I asked him to break

4107
02:38:06,960 --> 02:38:10,080
>> two or three more years of putting in,

4108
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:12,080
you know, 500. You know,

4109
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:14,399
>> we've put in anywhere between 250 and a

4110
02:38:14,399 --> 02:38:15,280
million.

4111
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:15,920
>> Um

4112
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:18,399
>> I think you're going to need a 500 cash

4113
02:38:18,399 --> 02:38:20,800
number. Then we'll know what we put in.

4114
02:38:20,800 --> 02:38:21,200
>> But

4115
02:38:21,200 --> 02:38:23,040
>> what would you

4116
02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:24,560
where where are you thinking? Because

4117
02:38:24,560 --> 02:38:26,560
last I don't want to walk into this year

4118
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:28,319
thinking 250 and you're going to come

4119
02:38:28,319 --> 02:38:29,920
again at mill a million. Remember that.

4120
02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:31,680
>> No, I'm thinking I'm thinking more well

4121
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:34,240
in my head I've got like 500,000 as a

4122
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:34,560
number

4123
02:38:34,560 --> 02:38:36,399
>> for several years.

4124
02:38:36,399 --> 02:38:36,880
>> What do you think?

4125
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:38,560
>> So I I mean I think it's run. I mean I I

4126
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:40,160
built a model where you where we where

4127
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:42,399
and that I was going to share in our own

4128
02:38:42,399 --> 02:38:45,200
where you can change the um the amount

4129
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:47,359
per year and it'll it'll it'll it'll

4130
02:38:47,359 --> 02:38:49,439
project out based on simulations of the

4131
02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:51,600
market what year we think that it will

4132
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:53,359
>> Did you change the asset allocation to

4133
02:38:53,359 --> 02:38:55,280
defease the liability?

4134
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:57,760
>> Uh yeah a little better conservative

4135
02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:00,479
>> not not yet um because it was until it's

4136
02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:02,720
fully funded. So for the I I did about a

4137
02:39:02,720 --> 02:39:04,720
10 and a half% volatility which is based

4138
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:06,399
on

4139
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:08,880
their recent performance their their mix

4140
02:39:08,880 --> 02:39:10,800
of of stuff and then just kind of other

4141
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:12,720
things that size in the market. But I

4142
02:39:12,720 --> 02:39:14,080
can that's a slide it's a variable we

4143
02:39:14,080 --> 02:39:16,399
can change too. So I can do this. Did

4144
02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:18,000
you come up with a number though?

4145
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:19,840
>> Uh I mean depends on I I came up with

4146
02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,280
you know with charts like this and say

4147
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:22,720
depending on how much we put in and what

4148
02:39:22,720 --> 02:39:24,560
the return is you can here's a year that

4149
02:39:24,560 --> 02:39:25,200
I project.

4150
02:39:25,200 --> 02:39:27,520
>> So Brian we put in 50 here.

4151
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:29,280
>> Yep.

4152
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:31,760
Let's just boil this down to average.

4153
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:34,160
>> Then I bet you're six years old. So the

4154
02:39:34,160 --> 02:39:36,720
question is, we put in 250 a year. Is it

4155
02:39:36,720 --> 02:39:39,120
five years? Is it three years? If we put

4156
02:39:39,120 --> 02:39:41,439
in 500 a year, maybe two years.

4157
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:43,760
>> I think it's 500 for two to three years.

4158
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:45,520
>> I think that's right, too. Yeah.

4159
02:39:45,520 --> 02:39:47,600
>> Just back to the million.

4160
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:48,880
>> We were there.

4161
02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:50,000
>> Yeah. Then he went

4162
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:52,319
>> just back to the the million. Remember

4163
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:55,040
that was that was an accounting error.

4164
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:58,319
So that was a that was a journal entry

4165
02:39:58,319 --> 02:40:00,960
that wasn't reversed. So we had more

4166
02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:04,880
free cash than we than we were accounted

4167
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:07,760
for. And the state doesn't care if you

4168
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:10,240
underestimate your free cash. They only

4169
02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:13,120
care if you overestimate that. So it was

4170
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:15,760
our one opportunity to get us really

4171
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,439
close to that finish line and then

4172
02:40:17,439 --> 02:40:19,680
healthcare bit us int.

4173
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:23,120
You know, I I think that um you know,

4174
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:24,479
>> but it's worked well for us.

4175
02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:27,920
>> It has Well, it has to It's done. But

4176
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:29,359
there's not going to be like a windfall

4177
02:40:29,359 --> 02:40:31,520
of money. All I'm saying is don't think

4178
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:32,880
we're going to walk into town meeting

4179
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:35,120
with $2 million of free cash.

4180
02:40:35,120 --> 02:40:36,640
>> Oh, I I don't expect

4181
02:40:36,640 --> 02:40:38,640
>> Well, but but just given what you're

4182
02:40:38,640 --> 02:40:39,120
looking at,

4183
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,600
>> I'm hoping it's it's north of one.

4184
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:43,600
>> I hope it's north of one, too. And then

4185
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:44,080
if we

4186
02:40:44,080 --> 02:40:46,000
>> And then you have half you do half a

4187
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:49,120
million for OP, right? We do that for a

4188
02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:50,240
couple years and then we're

4189
02:40:50,240 --> 02:40:54,800
>> So I we all know kind of where you're at right now kind of sort

4190
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:55,760
of. So that's

4191
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:58,399
>> to answer the question 250 a year will

4192
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:01,040
get you to 98% likelihood of 100%

4193
02:41:01,040 --> 02:41:04,080
funding by end of 2031 fiscal year

4194
02:41:04,080 --> 02:41:05,120
>> but we can shorten that by

4195
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:07,280
>> den that by by that we can shorten that

4196
02:41:07,280 --> 02:41:09,359
by different assumptions about what what

4197
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:12,960
we also know is that we have a we have a

4198
02:41:12,960 --> 02:41:15,120
drop off well notwithstanding the new

4199
02:41:15,120 --> 02:41:17,120
funding for the for the elementary

4200
02:41:17,120 --> 02:41:18,960
school we know that

4201
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:21,359
>> we would want that levy capacity to free

4202
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:24,720
up around 2029 2030

4203
02:41:24,720 --> 02:41:26,399
do it, which is why we want to put in

4204
02:41:26,399 --> 02:41:27,120
500 versus

4205
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:28,160
>> more than less. Yes,

4206
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:28,560
>> that's right.

4207
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:29,359
>> I agree.

4208
02:41:29,359 --> 02:41:31,280
>> Can I just say something? We're going to

4209
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,680
put together some FAQs to put on the

4210
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:36,000
website for town meeting. If you could

4211
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:37,760
write that up, it helps people to

4212
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:40,240
understand, oh, what is this thing that

4213
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:41,600
we're doing and why is it

4214
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:42,560
>> why are we doing it?

4215
02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:44,640
But that but the

4216
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:46,240
but that

4217
02:41:46,240 --> 02:41:50,720
>> 2028 or 29 is good to just articulate.

4218
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:53,120
>> We can talk to [clears throat]

4219
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:55,280
You know, they say we're fully funded,

4220
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:57,120
but what's fully funded? Well, that's

4221
02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:58,319
the definition.

4222
02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:01,280
>> And would I rather be would I rather be

4223
02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:04,399
two feet from the finish line or at 10%,

4224
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:06,000
you know, starting this process. So,

4225
02:42:06,000 --> 02:42:07,359
>> right, the big picture here.

4226
02:42:07,359 --> 02:42:08,880
>> It's a moving target is the answer to

4227
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:09,840
the question.

4228
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:11,040
>> But we are within the zone.

4229
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:13,040
>> I'd rather be 50 feet after the finish

4230
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:14,080
line because you're going to lose

4231
02:42:14,080 --> 02:42:15,920
ground. That's what I think.

4232
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:18,479
>> Yeah.

4233
02:42:18,479 --> 02:42:22,000
>> Um, so then, okay. So, article 18 is

4234
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:23,920
budget adjustments. Currently, we have

4235
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:26,640
slight wage line adjustments for minor

4236
02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:28,319
oversights.

4237
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:30,160
We have some harbor master budget

4238
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:31,520
changes, but that's all coming out of

4239
02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:34,240
the waterways fund. And I don't think we

4240
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:37,200
need more funding for the fire chief

4241
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,120
um because we're going to have the lap

4242
02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:42,240
salary. And as long as

4243
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:46,240
um they don't cut into what we need,

4244
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:49,600
which is five months of a salary, we

4245
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:51,280
should be fine. And then add to that,

4246
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:53,200
which I just found out about the

4247
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:55,439
radiator replenishment.

4248
02:42:55,439 --> 02:42:58,080
And then after that, we have a final

4249
02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,800
article of unpaid bills.

4250
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:02,560
We have found out that we do have a

4251
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:05,920
substantial unpaid bill and it is for

4252
02:43:05,920 --> 02:43:10,160
around $26,000 for snow removal bill

4253
02:43:10,160 --> 02:43:11,920
that didn't come in until like a week

4254
02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:13,040
ago.

4255
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:14,160
>> What?

4256
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:14,640
>> Yeah.

4257
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:16,960
For a subcontract.

4258
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:19,760
Now, um,

4259
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:21,520
this year the Board of Public Works

4260
02:43:21,520 --> 02:43:23,120
decided that they were going to clear

4261
02:43:23,120 --> 02:43:26,479
snow completely off the sidewalk using

4262
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:28,399
third party contractors for a much

4263
02:43:28,399 --> 02:43:30,880
longer distance out from the downtown

4264
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:32,720
that they've than they have done in the

4265
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:34,240
past.

4266
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:36,319
And so there were more bills involved

4267
02:43:36,319 --> 02:43:38,720
and this is one of them. It's for snow

4268
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:41,760
clearing down by

4269
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:43,200
Farnum's I think

4270
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:44,640
>> Harllo. All the way to Harlo.

4271
02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:45,120
>> Yeah.

4272
02:43:45,120 --> 02:43:46,560
>> It's not surprising. I think a lot of

4273
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:48,319
those guys ignore it for the whole

4274
02:43:48,319 --> 02:43:49,680
summer and then they come back and try

4275
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:51,600
to redo their business before the end of

4276
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:53,120
the start of the next season. So,

4277
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:55,520
>> no, that's that's incumbent upon the

4278
02:43:55,520 --> 02:43:57,680
people that you hire, you know, before

4279
02:43:57,680 --> 02:43:59,520
when you're in municipal government, you

4280
02:43:59,520 --> 02:44:01,439
know that you start.

4281
02:44:01,439 --> 02:44:07,040
>> Yep. You are hammering away at that and we do it with everyone else. So, um

4282
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:08,479
but this is, you know, for a discussion

4283
02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:10,240
with DPW about use of sub,

4284
02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:12,800
>> but it will take a nine10 vote at a at a

4285
02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:14,800
uh fall time at a special town meeting,

4286
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:16,000
right?

4287
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:17,279
You'll probably get it because it's the

4288
02:44:17,279 --> 02:44:20,240
last last one. Everybody wants to leave.

4289
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:24,160
>> Yeah. But that still um needs to be

4290
02:44:24,160 --> 02:44:26,080
explained. Yes. And people will be

4291
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:26,880
pissed about it.

4292
02:44:26,880 --> 02:44:28,560
>> Yes. And when you do sit with the board

4293
02:44:28,560 --> 02:44:30,080
of public works, that's one of the

4294
02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:32,479
things we plan to talk about and that

4295
02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:33,920
will be with the finance committee as

4296
02:44:33,920 --> 02:44:34,240
well.

4297
02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:35,920
>> Yeah.

4298
02:44:35,920 --> 02:44:36,399
>> That's it.

4299
02:44:36,399 --> 02:44:39,840
>> Can we can Sorry, just because I don't

4300
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:41,359
know if you know and I always like

4301
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:43,840
appreciate the reminder about snow

4302
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:46,479
removal and how that budgeting is a

4303
02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:47,520
little bit more.

4304
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:48,640
>> Yeah. So

4305
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:49,040
>> fuzzy

4306
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:53,359
>> with snow budget. As long as you budget

4307
02:44:53,359 --> 02:44:55,200
at least what you had budgeted the

4308
02:44:55,200 --> 02:44:58,560
previous fiscal year, you are allowed to

4309
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:01,680
overspend that number.

4310
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:03,760
How you deal with that deficit can be

4311
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:06,720
done in one of two ways. One, before the

4312
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:08,640
fiscal year ends, usually at the annual

4313
02:45:08,640 --> 02:45:12,800
town meeting, you can use free cash to

4314
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,520
fund that deficit. If you don't do that,

4315
02:45:15,520 --> 02:45:17,120
then it actually takes away from your

4316
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,840
levy capacity the next fiscal year

4317
02:45:19,840 --> 02:45:21,920
because that's how you make it up.

4318
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:23,359
>> But you would have had to know that

4319
02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:25,200
number before the end of the fiscal

4320
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:25,520
year.

4321
02:45:25,520 --> 02:45:25,920
>> You will

4322
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:27,359
>> to be able to address either.

4323
02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:31,439
>> We've never had a snow snow bill come in the middle of August or September.

4324
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:31,840
Yeah.

4325
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:33,760
>> Never had that happen, especially a

4326
02:45:33,760 --> 02:45:35,040
substantial one.

4327
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:37,840
>> Normally by May, you do know exactly

4328
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:40,000
what your deficit is. And we normally

4329
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:41,920
use a practice of using free cash to

4330
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,240
wipe it out. Otherwise, now the levy

4331
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:46,080
that you're planning on for FY28 is

4332
02:45:46,080 --> 02:45:47,040
thrown off

4333
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:50,240
>> because you got to fund that out of the levy.

4334
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:52,240
>> Can we have a number? I'm sure you're

4335
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:54,160
putting it together of like what it was

4336
02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:54,880
last year.

4337
02:45:54,880 --> 02:45:57,200
>> I have I have it for 10 years. I have it

4338
02:45:57,200 --> 02:45:58,479
for 13 years actually.

4339
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:00,880
>> So what what was last year and then what

4340
02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:03,040
was this year

4341
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:09,520
plus the 26? So 2025 it was 169842.

4342
02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:16,950
Before the 265 for 2026 it was $281,266.

4343
02:46:16,960 --> 02:46:20,720
It has never exceeded uh before that.

4344
02:46:20,720 --> 02:46:24,080
The highest um snow removal budget since

4345
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:28,479
2013 was in 2014 for $128,000.

4346
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:28,800
And

4347
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:28,960
>> so

4348
02:46:28,960 --> 02:46:30,560
>> it's up over 300.

4349
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:31,760
>> Over 300

4350
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:32,800
>> with the extra bill.

4351
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:36,399
>> Yep. So is that the result? Uh I mean

4352
02:46:36,399 --> 02:46:38,640
you can talk to the DPW about it. Is it

4353
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,960
like all things everything is so much

4354
02:46:40,960 --> 02:46:42,880
more expensive or is it

4355
02:46:42,880 --> 02:46:44,640
>> I think they chose to do things that

4356
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:46,479
they have never done before. They went

4357
02:46:46,479 --> 02:46:48,880
>> Was there a basis behind that decision?

4358
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:51,920
>> It it has but they went out they did

4359
02:46:51,920 --> 02:46:53,760
>> wholesale clearing

4360
02:46:53,760 --> 02:46:55,600
>> along stretches of road that they never

4361
02:46:55,600 --> 02:46:57,680
did that at. It was always the immediate

4362
02:46:57,680 --> 02:47:01,920
>> down subcontractors at night. So you can

4363
02:47:01,920 --> 02:47:04,240
take all of those factors plus, you

4364
02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,319
know, it does cost more, but they never

4365
02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:08,720
used subcontractors to do this before.

4366
02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:11,120
They would do because I because I talked

4367
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:13,680
to several people about this. They would

4368
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:16,160
clear the roads. Then they would clear

4369
02:47:16,160 --> 02:47:18,319
the streets, the sidewalks for walkers

4370
02:47:18,319 --> 02:47:20,399
to school. Then they would clear the

4371
02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:22,399
downtown district. And then anything

4372
02:47:22,399 --> 02:47:24,640
else after that would be done during the

4373
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:26,800
day, Monday through Friday, as they

4374
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:28,160
could pick away. they would use their

4375
02:47:28,160 --> 02:47:30,399
own truck with somebody on overtime at

4376
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:32,319
night, which is a lot cheaper than a

4377
02:47:32,319 --> 02:47:34,560
private contractor doing the same thing.

4378
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:37,760
>> So, they decided to do

4379
02:47:37,760 --> 02:47:39,120
>> they they rely more on private

4380
02:47:39,120 --> 02:47:41,760
contractor and they moved to a larger

4381
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:43,920
clearing zone. So, there's your

4382
02:47:43,920 --> 02:47:46,479
>> price double your diesel price now.

4383
02:47:46,479 --> 02:47:50,150
>> Yeah. So,

4384
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:52,160
» okay. So, we have a meeting with the DPW

4385
02:47:52,160 --> 02:47:54,080
in the next couple weeks.

4386
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:54,640
>> Yes.

4387
02:47:54,640 --> 02:47:57,040
>> Um Okay. Okay. Anything else?

4388
02:47:57,040 --> 02:47:58,960
>> Is there a policy on that? because

4389
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:00,800
that's from a financial standpoint

4390
02:48:00,800 --> 02:48:02,880
that's a huge overage

4391
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:05,920
>> again snowstorms are snowtorms but the

4392
02:48:05,920 --> 02:48:09,359
policy of budgeting for that which falls

4393
02:48:09,359 --> 02:48:09,760
in

4394
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:11,439
>> I don't believe there is the board of

4395
02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:13,200
public works is an independent authority

4396
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:15,600
once they get appointed and they manage

4397
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:18,000
their own affairs but it's certainly

4398
02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:20,399
something that when when the selectman

4399
02:48:20,399 --> 02:48:22,240
and the finance committee do sit with

4400
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:24,479
the with the board of public works which

4401
02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:26,080
is coming up we haven't gotten the date

4402
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:28,080
yet that's something that needs to be

4403
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:30,000
discussed cost. I agree

4404
02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:34,560
>> because that comes out of free cash and it does. This isn't the first time

4405
02:48:34,560 --> 02:48:36,800
this year. This happened after annual

4406
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:39,279
town meeting, too. So, these are bills

4407
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:43,439
after we went outside of uh town meeting

4408
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:45,920
appropriation. So, I think we could

4409
02:48:45,920 --> 02:48:47,840
recommend that maybe when we meet with

4410
02:48:47,840 --> 02:48:50,560
them to have some type of a policy.

4411
02:48:50,560 --> 02:48:52,720
>> I I have it in my notes for that meeting

4412
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:55,680
because I was pretty surprised. I just

4413
02:48:55,680 --> 02:48:56,479
happened to know one of the

4414
02:48:56,479 --> 02:48:58,960
subcontractors because he was doing work

4415
02:48:58,960 --> 02:48:59,840
for me and

4416
02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:00,880
>> right and the policy

4417
02:49:00,880 --> 02:49:03,200
>> he told me he plowed and I said you

4418
02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:06,560
better have that bill in he goes well I bill it at the end I said you better

4419
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:08,720
start billing that monthly don't wait

4420
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:09,760
till the end you

4421
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:11,040
>> and the policy will start with the

4422
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:12,240
physical right

4423
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:14,880
>> what is your zone you know don't go

4424
02:49:14,880 --> 02:49:16,720
don't bump beyond the zone that's first

4425
02:49:16,720 --> 02:49:18,800
thing and then how are you going to deal

4426
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:21,040
with it is it overtime at night with

4427
02:49:21,040 --> 02:49:22,960
your own truck or is it private

4428
02:49:22,960 --> 02:49:25,359
contractor at night so Those things can

4429
02:49:25,359 --> 02:49:27,040
be built into I agree with you Mike.

4430
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:29,760
>> Yeah, absolutely.

4431
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:31,600
>> Okay. Motion to adjurnn.

4432
02:49:31,600 --> 02:49:34,399
>> So move.

4433
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:39,000
>> We're we're convening still.