[0:07] Okay, thank you very much.
[0:11] We are going to open
the SDK city council meeting. We're
[0:16] going to start with the uh pledge of
allegiance, please.
[0:23] » To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it
[0:28] stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:33] for all.
[clears throat]
[0:38] » Thank you very much. Satie, can I get
roll call, please?
[0:42] » Councelor Delerto
>> here.
[0:44] » Councelor Dozal
>> here.
[0:46] » Councelor Hill here. Councelor Mrighty
>> here.
[0:49] » Councelor Metaf
>> here.
[0:51] » Councelor Tenbush
>> here.
[0:52] » Mayor Drinkwine
>> here. Thank you very much. All right,
[0:58] sir. Sorry I'm late, guys. And when you
get older, forget about that time
[1:03] change.
Um, so you have the pledge of just have
[1:06] the roll call. Everything's good. We're
at the uh first assistant group comment
[1:11] » and we do have one in front.
All right.
[1:16] Well, Tom Thompson.
[1:27] Well, my name is Tom Thompson and today
the city of Esticada here, they revoked
[1:33] my license on my business and they shut
the water off and I am not sure exactly
[1:38] why being we stopped operations in our
food cart selling to everyday purposes
[1:44] like we were on the 25th. Melanie had
called and said that she was that I
[1:49] needed to submit
my gaywater grease trap system.
[1:55] I am exempt from this system because I'm
a food cart and I have a company that
[2:02] properly pumps my system out and takes
it to where it needs to be properly
[2:05] disposed of and I pay for those
services. I have sent her all of the
[2:10] paperwork on all of that along with Sir
Miss Drinkwine code enforcement
[2:18] and Melanie. I've given four four of you
different emails on this and I would
[2:22] like to know why.
[2:29] » Back to you all and get back to school.
>> Okay.
[2:32] » Because we haven't done anything wrong
and we have been 100% compliant. We've
[2:36] taken all the things down. Everything
that you told us to move and do, we have
[2:40] done all those things. So I am curious
why
[2:46] a followup. So, you can't give me the
direct answer right now means you sent
[2:50] me the email today stating that my
license was revoked and that sort of
[2:55] thing.
[2:58] » Pardon me?
>> No.
[2:59] » No. I do believe this is my time. This
is my three minutes to ask you that
[3:02] question. And
>> three minutes, but not your three
[3:04] minutes to demand anything. Okay.
>> Yeah. I I know I know, sir. Drink wine.
[3:08] I know what you said the last time that
I was here. Did you follow through with
[3:11] me and get a meeting with me? Like I
asked for you guys to meet up with me.
[3:14] No, you haven't bothered. You haven't
bothered to call and set anything up.
[3:18] And then at the end of your meeting, I
don't understand
[3:20] » a place to argue about this. This really
isn't.
[3:22] » And you know what? When is it?
>> Cuz you won't give me a call.
[3:28] » She don't have the answers.
>> So, I would really like to know when.
[3:31] » You keep blowing me off and blowing me
off.
[3:34] » Nobody's blowing you off.
>> Yeah,
[3:36] » we're all right here.
>> I've requested time, you know,
[3:39] » and and and and you're not the one we
were wanting to speak with.
[3:41] » Okay. uh in the communication that I saw
there was nothing saying I want directly
[3:47] to speak with the man.
>> We stated that when we were here the
[3:49] last time that we wanted to speak with
these two gentlemen right here
[3:51] » but further communication you know it
looks
[3:54] » there was further communication Melanie
was informed and she sent us over the
[3:58] information from him that they were
going to get in contact that I sent over
[4:01] the mayor all your information so that
he can get in contact with you and set
[4:05] up a meeting with you. That was the
email that she had stated and sent to
[4:07] me. So that's the reason why I'm asking
this question. Why did you not follow
[4:10] through? Hey, that's on me.
>> I'm a business owner in this county and
[4:14] I don't understand why you treating me
like this.
[4:16] » I'm not treating you anyway, you know,
from the beginning.
[4:19] » So, the city is Yes, the city here to
argue this point. Okay, we're not here
[4:24] to argue this point,
>> but I'm going to entertain you here and
[4:27] and tell you I did not forget you. I
didn't even see this email about meeting
[4:35] with you personally. I haven't seen it.
But when I I I guarantee you I will look
[4:39] at my computer and say,
>> "Oh, we don't even care now because we
[4:41] know how much you really care about your
citizens sophisticated." So you don't or
[4:45] any of the small businesses and that's
exactly how I feel.
[4:49] » Okay. Well, you've had your three
minutes now. We
[4:51] » Yes, I have.
>> Very good. See talking
[5:04] and sitting over there and laugh like
that. Mr.
[5:07] is not
>> who is laughing.
[5:11] » To be fair, to be fair, before they left
uh the last meeting, they he did
[5:16] specifically ask both of you in person.
>> He did to meet with us. But
[5:20] » so we didn't get a chance to talk and
find out that, did we?
[5:24] » But to be fair, he did personally.
>> That's not the argument.
[5:28] » That wasn't the argument, J. But thank
you for your help on this.
[5:32] » I'll follow up on with that question.
that wasn't a actually wasn't a concern
[5:36] with the operations anymore because they
had settled that. But I'll follow up
[5:39] with them and copy all of you on it.
>> I appreciate that. If we could just give
[5:44] them information at the very least or at
least we could have the information more
[5:47] so so that we can educate the community
in a proper way because I know that this
[5:51] is going to draw a lot of questions.
Let's just make sure we're clear on it.
[5:55] Be my best thing. I don't think it's
fair to attack any leadership in this
[5:59] room for that. I mean, this whole
situation is emotionally charged. Yes,
[6:04] » but
>> he did ask for that, Jerry. I I will
[6:07] acknowledge that he did. He did. I
thought he pointed at
[6:11] » uh myself. I wasn't sure if it was you
and me or council
[6:16] » Hill actually. I thought,
>> but either way, I do have his email. I
[6:20] personally will follow up again. I did
email them from my work email, but
[6:24] sometimes I have issues with that. So,
thank
[6:27] » you.
[6:30] Okay.
[6:35] All right. So, do we have anybody else
online? Anybody uh wishes to go out to
[6:39] the mayor today? That'd be a nice time
right now when we get it all out since
[6:44] I'm such a horrible person. I appreciate
all of you though. So, thank you for
[6:49] what you do. Um that said, we're going
to move on to the consent agenda. You've
[6:54] all had a chance to read over the
consent agenda. Are there any things
[6:58] that stand out that
>> I'd like to pull out? Item C, the
[7:02] resolution uh city council
uh authorizes city manager grant
[7:07] application acceptance authority.
>> Okay. All right. We'll move that on to
[7:12] council business. Uh on the rest, is
everything
[7:16] up to par? Everybody good with it?
>> Okay. Can I get a motion on the floor?
[7:21] » I move to approve the consent agenda as
modified.
[7:25] » Second.
>> Okay. Got a first and second. All those
[7:28] in favor say I.
>> I. All those opposed. Motion passes.
[7:32] Thank you very much for that. Council
business. Um we're here to discuss two
[7:37] items now because we moved um C down to
council business. So we'll start off
[7:42] with that one first if that's okay. Um
and I will let you take it away on that
[7:47] one.
>> Yeah. the um
[7:51] having just gone through all that code
stuff and with just experience on the
[7:56] council so far, uh it's my experience
that grants often are encumbered with
[8:01] some sort of strings attached. Uh be it
uh oversight or requirements
[8:09] or or whatever it may be. And this um
this language is a little too um
[8:18] uh broad. I wouldn't want I would want
if like one of the things I read in the
[8:24] code thing was that we if we accepted
money from this particular organization,
[8:28] we were granting the state 30 years of
being in our business. Uh and that's
[8:34] just not something that that I would be
interested in doing. And so um I'm not
[8:41] sure. and and it actually made me think,
how often are we actually seeing grants
[8:46] come across
our our desk um where we've got enough
[8:51] time to actually look and and see what
those strings are. I would be very
[8:56] interested in when we're getting a a uh
description of of what the item is that
[9:02] we're looking at of having a subsection
showing what the requirements of that
[9:07] grant are with regards to incumbrances,
be it requirements or or what have you.
[9:14] But in this instance, I just think it's
too broad and and I would vote no on it
[9:18] in this form.
>> Okay. Anybody else on this issue?
[9:27] Melissa,
>> so I also was looking at that was one of
[9:29] the one items that I was curious about
because I know that there's been
[9:34] conversation whether it's here or out in
general public. Um, grants do sometimes
[9:39] have things attached to them as far as
like scratch my back, I'll scratch
[9:43] yours, layman's terms. But, um, this one
in particular, if I could get some
[9:47] clarity on, it was already in motion to
sign up for because we were waiting on
[9:53] it to open because it was directly
affecting the cost of the wastewater
[9:58] treatment plan, right? Is that what it
was?
[10:03] » Yeah. I'm not sure which
>> Well, I'm sorry. What was the question?
[10:06] Yeah,
>> this particular grant that
[10:10] we're specifying it was on the
wastewater treatment. We were waiting
[10:13] for Okay. So, that's just an example
though. Waiting.
[10:17] » Yeah, this was for the water the one
that needed to be signed before your
[10:20] next meeting before I knew this meeting
was going to uh take place and we could
[10:24] get this handled um was for the water
treatment plant for a million dollars.
[10:29] We were going to ask
>> Okay. Yeah. I wanted to bring that up
[10:31] because I wouldn't I wasn't quite sure
of the time stamp on that, but like the
[10:35] essence of uh jumping on the ball when
they do come up for
[10:40] applying for and in this instance that
would be an example of something that
[10:43] would like come forward. Do they just do
that without us knowing that first
[10:49] because we already know that that's
coming or is that Do you understand what
[10:53] I'm saying? Yeah, I mean I think Elena's
been good with coming to us with some of
[10:56] these grant opportunities
>> and giving us a little bit of a insight
[11:00] into some of them uh in the past. Um I
think they're looking for a more
[11:05] convenient way to get these grants taken
care of um than what we've had now. Uh
[11:12] I'm I'm not in agreement with this
particular item for other reasons. I
[11:17] think you know the bottom part that was
added there in emergency preparedness
[11:21] having Melanie be the sign off on that
>> or whoever the city manager is at the
[11:27] time.
>> Okay. Um I I had an issue with that part
[11:33] but I was going to discuss that but Mike
go ahead.
[11:35] » I just want to clarify is this asking
for you guys to have the authority to
[11:40] apply for grants but not finalize them.
>> Correct. So, say there's a short window
[11:47] and you're wanting to apply for
something, you apply for it. The
[11:49] contract still comes before the city
council to look at the details of the
[11:55] contract, look at the responsibilities,
the performance requirements, all of
[12:00] that stuff before we approve the we
still have to approve the contract for
[12:05] the grants or is there a situation where
you're going to be able to apply for a
[12:08] grant where it doesn't come in front of
us first? Typically the contract would
[12:12] always come to you typically into the
consent agenda. Um there might be
[12:18] there might be some grant actually there
could be a grant at any time that's just
[12:23] a random grant that I could apply for.
They're not asking for a signatory
[12:27] authority. Um and so I could apply for
it and then I could receive it for
[12:32] whatever whatever area it might be
helping on the project. this particular
[12:36] grant that just came out of the
governor's office um was going to allow
[12:40] us to apply for up to a million dollars
and so we were going to apply for that
[12:44] for the water treatment plant and it was
a very short it would I think September
[12:48] 8th was the deadline you're not meeting
till the 14th um and they wanted um
[12:52] certain proof of signature signature
authority and so that's what where
[12:58] something like this a resolution like
this would help saying yes I do have
[13:01] that typically we're not going to at
least I'm not going to be applying for
[13:06] things that I would think that the
council would not agree with. There is
[13:10] always strings attached with money. It's
kind of a pain in the neck sometimes. I
[13:14] know that our finance director can say
yes, it is um you know, we have to turn
[13:18] in extra things and we have to but is it
a million dollars worth of extra
[13:22] strings? Probably not. Is it a couple
hundred thousand dollars worth? It's
[13:26] probably not. So typically the grants
and most of the grants we get are are um
[13:32] through like other government programs
and partners. So um they can have
[13:36] strings attached. Yes. Typically it's
worth it to get the money that would um
[13:41] then not have to come from our taxpayers
or rateayers.
[13:45] I don't know if that that overspoke your
question probably. So
[13:48] » I guess what I was trying to get at is
is if there's an obligation from the
[13:52] city to fulfill in a grant, is there
typically a contract associated with
[13:56] that
>> rather than just signing some
[13:59] » Right. Correct. And they would list out
what our responsibilities are and we
[14:02] that would have to come to the council.
>> I guess if if we're not I mean the the
[14:08] way I feel about is that the the city
council appoints it hires the city
[14:12] manager. we're choosing the leader of
the city and
[14:17] I trust her with the authority to to to
apply for grants. If there's some sort
[14:21] of contractual obligation of the city
and that still comes before the city
[14:26] council to dissect and go through before
we finalize it, then I think we would
[14:31] have the opportunity to object to
something that we didn't like there. And
[14:34] if we're not going to give her the
authority, then we need to come up with
[14:37] a solution for when there's an
opportunity, a short window opportunity
[14:41] or everyone needs to just be willing to
have like an emergency session and come
[14:45] in and have a meeting to give her the
authority to do that so that we're not
[14:49] missing out on opportunities for funding
on some of these large ticket item
[14:52] projects like the water treatment
center, the wastewater treatment
[14:55] facility we're still trying to get more
money for. And I know that some of these
[14:58] things can come up or you may get a call
from Salem saying, "Hey, we haven't had
[15:02] any applications for this. you guys are
perfect for this and then there's a four
[15:05] to six week window where we don't have a
meeting that month. I just don't want us
[15:09] to miss out on the opportunity. So if we
if we're going to not give her the
[15:13] authority to do it, then we need to come
up with a solution I think to deal with
[15:17] those situations where we or the
situation that they're in right now
[15:21] where they have to come up with
something before the next meeting we had
[15:23] scheduled. So that's my thought on it.
So, in my experience, what it seems is,
[15:30] you know, I've seen a list of all the
grants that that Elena has done. And
[15:34] frankly, I don't remember any of those
coming, you know, running by. they just
[15:39] go and and sign up for my understanding
of the process is they sign up for these
[15:43] these grants or whatever they are and
then and then they come by and I you
[15:49] know I have seen some that that need to
be approved but but I've also seen them
[15:53] where we've got we've got to approve
this tonight um because you know the
[15:58] deadline is is Monday or Tuesday or
something like that so we're short time
[16:03] frame so I completely agree with what uh
what you're saying both of you guys. Um,
[16:09] in terms of giving her the flexibility,
um, to do something like that, I just
[16:13] don't know that that's not what's
happening already. Um, and and so I
[16:19] would just want to make sure, which
[clears throat] I'm seeing agreement
[16:22] with that, too, is that we're not um
being obligated to do things that we
[16:28] haven't had a chance to talk about uh,
in a timely manner instead of having the
[16:32] information dumped on us and we've got
this meeting or this packet to figure it
[16:37] out. something like that. So, if we
could um sort that timing aspect out um
[16:42] I'd be a more amenable.
>> Yeah.
[16:47] » Yeah. I was [clears throat]
I'm in agreement that we do trust you to
[16:52] be clear but and I know that we can't
always just look online and be like the
[17:00] online criticism is what is truth but we
can look online and say that there's an
[17:05] overwhelming sense of we don't have any
idea what is going on at a from a
[17:11] control standpoint that is a very
astounding
[17:17] generalization that we don't really have
a say. We're not in the control in the
[17:22] mix. Now, I'm not saying that you don't
make the right decisions. But what I'm
[17:26] saying is the community is not asking us
to hand stuff over to the staff to make
[17:30] decisions. They're asking us to show
them that we are making decisions to
[17:34] take control and to take the town in the
direction that they want to see the town
[17:38] go into. And to me, that includes
grants. And a way that I would be
[17:41] concerned is when we look to like state
funded grants, and I won't speak to
[17:46] because I'm not educated enough on it to
say that this is in totality how things
[17:52] are. But what I would say is like with
Thrive community grants and things like
[17:55] that, it then signs you up for state
authority or people like that. get to
[18:00] come in and then when they suggest
things, suggestion becomes more of the
[18:05] mandate at some point or they shape
their things very much on the state's
[18:10] guidance towards a rural vision versus a
community's leadership's guidance of
[18:13] their identity in the way that they're
trying to develop it. So from that
[18:18] standpoint, [clears throat] I like and I
agree with you that I don't necessarily
[18:22] think that it's not happening already.
I've not I've seen stuff come to us
[18:26] through the consent agenda. to Melany's
point that we've agreed on. And I'm not
[18:31] saying that it's not happening, but I
can't remember a time that we've
[18:34] discussed should we or should we not go
for this. It's just something that's
[18:37] been put on or we're being told that we
were awarded a grant that quite frankly
[18:42] is usually about funding to come up with
a plan or a master plan funding of some
[18:48] sort is what it typically or helping us
with the mills infrastructure layout or
[18:53] the soil samples or I'm not saying that
that's the accurate thing but those type
[18:56] of descript those type of descriptive
things. So my concern would be from the
[19:01] state side what obligations come with
that once we introduced another agency
[19:05] into our decision- making or into our I
guess advisory if you will and then the
[19:12] other part was it got into
infrastructure and other things like
[19:16] that and then it talks about emergency
management and I don't see how those are
[19:21] related right so to me when you're
saying in the case of an emergency she
[19:26] should be able to make decision well
absolutely she's the city manager
[19:30] she should be able to make decisions.
But in case of emergency, isn't the
[19:35] infrastructure that they still haven't
fixed from 15 years ago that's not
[19:39] related to me. So that's another I just
don't like the way that this is laid out
[19:44] in the way that it's read. I'd entertain
it rewritten
[19:48] with clarity to your point about maybe
to what council Melroy is saying with
[19:53] clarity given saying that you can apply
for whatever XYZ but when it comes down
[20:00] to us signing the final dot to accept it
that we've all had time to make sure we
[20:05] look through the document or whatnot.
And then for the solution based, you
[20:09] said if we don't give her the authority,
I'm just thinking trying to answer you
[20:12] on that if we weren't to. I would be
willing to say as a council maybe we
[20:18] come to some kind of a consensus or
agreement that it's whoever Melanie
[20:22] could get quorum with first, the first
four that she can get on the phone to
[20:26] agree to a meeting and set a meeting and
then she can still reach out to
[20:30] everybody. But as soon as she has
quorum, she's got authority to make a
[20:34] meeting and then that's what we're
rolling. and we just have a consensus
[20:38] ruling that if we're out of town or if
there's work or there's something going
[20:41] on as long as there's a quorum, we we
have to trust each other and quite
[20:46] frankly, if we don't trust each other,
the community does. So, yeah, I'm I I
[20:51] think you're on the right track and
you're on the right track. A like Mike's
[20:54] version of us being uh able to make an
emergency meeting if that's the case if
[21:00] we want to be in contact with this whole
situation. I think yours of bringing
[21:05] four together at one time if you can't
get everybody would be a good idea. So
[21:10] yeah, I think both those work. Uh
Melanie.
[21:13] » Okay, just I have written down my point
so I stay on track. Okay, so first of
[21:17] all, I want to say there have been a lot
of um kind of accusatory comments going
[21:22] around on Facebook lately and if anybody
has any questions about um any of those
[21:28] comments, you're always free to call me,
email me. Um, if a question comes in
[21:33] from one counselor, not of course
emailing the whole council, but if I get
[21:37] a question from one counselor that I
think would benefit everybody, I will
[21:39] send it out to the whole council so that
you're all aware. Um, and so I'm happy
[21:44] to do that. And I will say this is the
most engaged council that we've had in
[21:49] the past, you know, few years,
especially right now. I think everybody
[21:52] is completely engaged. You know what's
going on. You're here at every meeting.
[21:56] You're reading your packets. Um, we
discuss the packet ahead of time. And so
[22:00] I I don't know where the community would
be coming from thinking that the council
[22:06] isn't leading this charge because um I
see all very engaged and um providing
[22:12] direction to staff. Um secondly the um
we have there's many grants
[22:19] opportunities that come up that we do
pass on u because like for instance that
[22:23] TGM grant um comes around there's grants
that come around every year from
[22:26] different agencies and I'll get email
from somebody and it's like hey this is
[22:30] open again like yeah we don't have
capacity to do it and I feel that the
[22:35] city manager and the our department
heads will have a better grasp of how
[22:41] much capacity staff has than the council
who is setting the values and vision for
[22:46] the community. And so I I want you to be
confident that if I don't think we can
[22:50] handle it, we're not going to do it. Um
but there are there are things that we
[22:55] have to follow up on and then we have to
meet the audit, you know, and things
[22:58] like that. So um they we do pass on
grants. So if I don't think we have
[23:03] capacity um and then there there's a
couple of whereas statements in at the
[23:09] beginning of this it says it's
referenced to infrastructure and parks
[23:13] projects for which funding assistance is
needed and the second whereas is um the
[23:19] city of Esticada has authorized said
projects through the budgetary master
[23:22] planning process. So these aren't just
random um random opportunities that are
[23:27] coming up. They're already a direction
that we're heading. But if you do want
[23:32] to um if the if the disaster management
that does um if you want to strike that
[23:38] that's fine. If you don't pass this or
some variation of it or at least a
[23:42] motion to say that the mayor or the city
manager can sign this grant application
[23:47] we'll miss it. Um
that would be up to you.
[23:53] » Okay. Um, I personally want to dismiss
the emergency preparedness part of bas
[24:00] out of it totally. Now, on the grant
part, [snorts]
[24:02] I'm in agreement with a couple of you
on, like I said, on the way that plays
[24:06] out on on how we do that. Now, I don't
know how much any of you would trust the
[24:13] mayor to be a part of that, but her
comment about the mayor and the city
[24:16] manager being in on grants, I like that
better. I like it better because
[24:23] you know one of us who's on this board
is a part of that process.
[24:29] So you hope that that person that you've
put your trust in has your best interest
[24:35] in mind. Um and that we're in enough
agreement that we know each other around
[24:39] the table to know whether that's
something that we could trust with
[24:43] either me or whoever was picked to be a
part of that. um if we wanted to make it
[24:48] easier without bringing four people
together. Now, the other option was the
[24:52] four people that Jonathan came up with I
I think is a great idea. You know, if it
[24:56] had to be an emergency meeting, we
couldn't get everybody there. I
[24:58] understand that, but four would be good.
Um that also sounded good. So, I don't
[25:04] know where you're all at. Um you would
kind of have to
[25:08] » I'd be first giving Melanie the
authority, second if Melanie is not the
[25:12] authority. whatever the quickest way to
get the grant application in the
[25:15] deadline, you or you or Melanie. And
then third would be the the emergency
[25:20] meeting is kind of my order of what the
way that
[25:24] » I'd just like to give the authority to
Melanie and then uh you know the other
[25:28] two options are um fine with me.
I'd like that the one on uh point two on
[25:36] notification um when they do submit the
grant actually send us the information
[25:42] on what's uh you know the basics of the
grant itself but also the incumbrances
[25:47] with it.
>> I think that that uh
[25:50] » checks check box. Yes sir.
>> Okay. All right.
[25:54] » Agree on that. And as far as the last
part, the emergency preparedness art,
[26:00] where do we all stand on that? Strike or
leave.
[26:04] » Yeah, we can we drop that. It's grants.
>> Leave that. Okay. Drop. Leave.
[26:11] » Uh
I I like drop it for now. I mean, I'm
[26:17] kind of unclear. What is the What are we
coming to consensus? I understand what
[26:21] » that's on the bottom part of that. You
know you the first.
[26:24] » No, I got that part. But the what are we
agreeing though? I I understand what
[26:28] your point is. Are we agreeing on option
one? What Mike and Jerry
[26:33] » are going with? I'm kind of leaning
towards
[26:34] » I just want to kick like one one thing
real quick, Jonathan, if if you don't
[26:37] mind.
>> Is it just the way it reads on here is
[26:40] that after it gives her the authority,
the signatory the city manager designate
[26:44] may submit and sign for competitive or
discretionary grants granting agencies
[26:48] without mayor and city council approval
if no city matching funds required.
[26:52] notification. She's going to notify us
right away that she applied for it.
[26:56] Acceptance. The city manager or
designate will present for approval the
[26:59] grant award prior to acceptance before
we take anything that's going to take
[27:04] any burden. That's being presented to
the council. Correct.
[27:07] » But it's already signed.
>> It's it's been applied for and we've
[27:10] been awarded money and then we have to
decide whether we want to accept the
[27:14] money. So, we're going to have the
opportunity. That's why I'm a little bit
[27:17] lost on the like where the authority is
being given away. She has the ability to
[27:24] it. It's projects that are in our master
plan or in our you know it's something
[27:27] that we put in our budget. It's a large
project that we're going for. They're
[27:32] applying for money. They get granted
money. They have to come to us to accept
[27:35] the money. Is it I'm I'm lost on the
>> I think the argument was what what are
[27:41] the hidden stipulations behind the
grant?
[27:43] » Yeah. And and I understand as long as
Yes. And it's is the weekend is the
[27:48] argument that the weekend's not long
enough to read up on it
[27:52] » in in essence. Yeah. I mean, if you're
getting the packet, so just enough time.
[27:56] And so if they're per No.2, if they're
sending us the information the same time
[28:02] they're sending in the grant
>> for Yeah. And because then we've gotten
[28:06] notice of it. We're we're aware of what
it is, what it entails. We have time to
[28:10] digest it. We have to put in the work to
read it before we get awarded it. But
[28:14] then if you've done their the homework
on that, I I just don't see any issues.
[28:18] » It's not restricted by to a packet
though.
[28:20] » Yeah.
>> No. Yeah. I got you. If as long as
[28:22] there's the simultaneous notification
when they apply for it,
[28:25] » it it reads like it's like it shouldn't
be an issue at all.
[28:30] I I think maybe a even simpler fix too
for just clarity purposes because I do
[28:36] hear what you're saying and I don't
disagree with you presented like that
[28:39] especially but what if it was in an
order of operations this is not
[28:44] something that goes into the consent
agenda anymore. You just make that a
[28:48] council business item or whatever. make
it an agenda item specifically so that
[28:54] the so that the excuse me the grant
sorry is right there in front of us.
[29:00] It's a discussed thing. It's not
something that accidentally gets lost in
[29:05] eight other things or four other things
or however long the consent agenda is.
[29:09] Then it still allows the authority. We
do trust her. That's not been the
[29:12] argument at all in this conversation. So
I don't just to be clear I don't feel
[29:16] like that that is the problem here. But
I think that gives it makes it clear
[29:22] where then nobody in this conversation
can say we weren't aware or we didn't
[29:27] realize that we voted that through or so
on so forth because it's easy to get
[29:30] stuff mixed up in the consent agenda
with the caveat that if if we're getting
[29:36] the information in the packet at the
same time that we're seeing it for the
[29:40] first time then I agree then bring it
down. But if we've gotten the
[29:45] information before the before the even
packet came out. So, we've had
[29:49] additional time to look through the
consent agenda is handy. Um,
[29:54] » and so I can see
>> I think we I think we always everyone
[29:59] would have the opportunity any counselor
would have the opportunity to pull it
[30:02] out of the consent agenda every single
time. They would have the opportunity
[30:06] to, but I think that leaving it in there
would for the times when we don't, it
[30:10] would make things run faster. But and
then if if somebody just decided they
[30:14] wanted to pull it out, they'd have the
authority to be able to pull it out
[30:17] every single time. may just look at the
consent agenda before they voted on it
[30:20] and say, "I want to pull that out and we
can discuss it." But
[30:26] » last thought, I think the timeline here
is like really condensed, too. So,
[30:30] sometimes there's a quick timeline to
apply, but then it's going to have to go
[30:34] through like are we even going to get
this grant? Um, so you'd be notified
[30:38] when we apply, but it it wouldn't be
like we apply on Thursday and then
[30:42] Monday you have to prove the contract
because we wouldn't even know probably
[30:45] right away that whether we're going to
get it and then if we do then there's
[30:49] the contract time. So we'd be keeping
you up to speed on on what's going. It
[30:53] wouldn't be an immediate typically it's
not that you know within just a week or
[30:59] two that they would announce who gets
awarded a grant.
[31:02] » It's usually months. It usually is, even
if the application process turns out to
[31:08] be quick.
>> Maybe we could even introduce just a
[31:11] quarterly grant update or something so
we know where we're at in the process of
[31:15] what grants and so on so forth. That
would bring clarity as well when things
[31:18] are coming up. We're not
>> like a benchmark.
[31:22] » Yeah. You know, I mean, I would love to
see because I mean, one thing we've
[31:25] asked in that line is more grants,
especially parks, racks, different
[31:28] things. Bring more opportunities. So, I
agree with you. the last thing we want
[31:31] to do is handcuff them from being able
to do that because we are over involved.
[31:37] Right. I don't I don't disagree with
your point on that. But I would I would
[31:41] like to know more on what's going on.
Trying to file it myself. It's difficult
[31:46] sometimes. I will be honest. I'm sure
I'm not alone. But I'll own it.
[31:51] » No, I think that ties right in with
because I've really enjoyed the
[31:54] department head reports. Get so much
information from that. And so I think
[31:58] that's in the same bank.
That's a good idea.
[32:02] » Okay.
>> So, I move to approve resolution
[32:05] 2026-018
grant signing authority as written.
[32:10] » Okay. And is that taking out or striking
the
[32:13] » Well, he said as written. Do you want to
do it as written or do you want
[32:17] » Okay.
[32:21] So, can I get a second on that?
[32:28] All right. Motion dies on the floor. Uh,
next motion.
[32:33] » I move to approve resolution 2026-018
[32:38] uh, striking the last line in
background. This also authorizes the
[32:43] city manager to apply for and sign
grants related to a declared emergency
[32:46] or disaster.
>> Okay, I have first and second. Can I get
[32:50] the second?
>> Second.
[32:51] » Have first and second. All those in
favor and let's do a roll call on that
[32:55] one. See [clears throat]
>> councelor Delto? Yes.
[32:59] » Councelor Dozel.
>> Yes.
[33:01] » Hill.
>> Yes.
[33:03] » Councelor Mroy.
>> Yes.
[33:04] » Councelor Metap.
>> Yes.
[33:06] » Councelor Chenbush.
>> Yes.
[33:08] » Mayor Drink.
>> Yes.
[33:09] » Motion passes.
>> All right. Thank you very much for that.
[33:12] Uh, now we move on to council business.
Uh, we are at the ballot measure 3-638.
[33:21] And this is discussion. So, we need to
figure out the wording. Uh, do you have
[33:25] something, Mike? Maybe that's already
>> I did and I sent it out earlier and I
[33:30] completely misread the characters for
words and so we have a lot more words to
[33:35] get in. We got I I got it down to 325
characters. It's very concise.
[33:39] » Uh but it's we have room for
>> word count format must not I think that
[33:44] is I think you are right. Please handc
count your statement to ensure your word
[33:48] count does not exceed 325.
>> Word count word not character. That's
[33:53] how I read it, too. And then I started
going,
[33:56] » okay, it's a word. Okay.
>> Yeah.
[33:58] » Bullet points, man. Bullet points.
>> Yes. [laughter] So, I wrote something uh
[34:02] but completely open to to whatever
anyone thinks. And so, what I wrote is
[34:07] um vote yes on measure 3-638.
After years of complaints, ongoing
[34:12] nuisance reports, and continuing lack of
compliance, it is time to take back
[34:16] control of what's happening in our town.
This measure does not affect retail
[34:20] companies. This measure does not impact
recreational use. This measure does not
[34:25] impact medicinal use. This measure does
not affect existing companies. What a v
[34:31] a yes vote does is stop new companies
from contributing to a persistent
[34:36] nuisance affecting long-standing
companies with the noxious output
[34:39] associated with this industry.
[34:46] » Can you read the last couple sentences
one more time though? What a I'll start
[34:50] with what a yes vote does is stop new
companies from contributing to a
[34:54] persistent nuisance affecting
long-standing companies with the noxious
[34:58] output associated with this industry.
And I'm totally open to suggestions for
[35:03] this.
>> It's my understanding that the reason
[35:06] that we did that is I mean
[35:12] saturating an area with just one
business. Correct. Does that make sense?
[35:17] So you're limited on spaces and as far
as the industrial park and our
[35:21] industrial park also embodies CTE
program for youth and it's like in my
[35:25] mind just goes straight to that
environment and then yes the smell um
[35:30] but also with not saturating one area
with multiple of the same that make
[35:37] sense
is there any way that we can also
[35:42] incorporate that into that understanding
I don't know if that makes sense But I
[35:48] just
>> Yeah,
[35:49] » I feel like
>> How many words is that done?
[35:52] » I didn't count.
>> It's I I stopped counting at about 60ish
[35:58] when I was like halfway through, so I
figured I was fine.
[36:01] » I just want I and I don't I didn't get
the job.
[36:03] » Oh, no, no, no. It's fine. I I'm hoping
I'm making myself clear on that one as
[36:08] far as making sure that the
because what I've gotten from people is
[36:13] like, why wouldn't we want to have that
come in? And there's a very misconceive
[36:17] misinformation on
here in town versus industrial park.
[36:23] People aren't connecting the dots when
it comes to us being over there and
[36:27] talking solely about that area and the
whole city. That's something that's also
[36:32] they're like, "Well, why wouldn't you
want that tax money to come in?" Well,
[36:35] that's not what this is about. Has
nothing to do with that. And there's a
[36:38] lot of people that get very confused
about that because as soon as you see
[36:41] the word marijuana or hemp, you think
recreational use, yes. Sales, taxes,
[36:47] yes. And if we're saying no, they're
like, well, why wouldn't you want that
[36:50] to come in? Well, this isn't about that.
This is about a saturation of an
[36:54] environment that is very
limited to bringing in and we already
[36:59] have four of those over there. Correct.
>> Those types that I think.
[37:04] » Okay. So there with that said that's
even more of a reason. I just want more
[37:09] clarity for the public to understand
what it means not just a few topics and
[37:15] most of it and if we can get all of that
in there that'd be great.
[37:20] » I just wanted maybe if we could capture
if we have the words for it room is just
[37:24] capture that we want to create a more
welcoming environment
[37:27] » for new businesses and industries to
come into our industrial industrial park
[37:31] with good paying jobs. you know, capture
that. You know, like if you are thinking
[37:35] about moving into our industrial park
and you're going and looking at a
[37:38] property and all you just smell is weed
everywhere when you're going out there.
[37:42] It's not and you run a professional
business. It's not some of the
[37:46] complaints that we're hearing from uh
the comp companies and some of our
[37:50] largest employers in in the city are
making those complaints as well. They
[37:55] they don't like the environment. And I
think that other professional companies
[37:58] that have large employee bases are going
to feel the same way if they're coming
[38:03] and scoping out the industrial park for
an opportunity to move a business into
[38:06] here that's going to have great paying
jobs. And I and I think that if we could
[38:10] just mention that that we want to have a
very, you know, a welcoming environment
[38:14] in our industrial park for new
businesses to be to feel comfortable
[38:18] moving into our our city. um something
along those lines I think would be that
[38:24] the that the the
not riskreward but the word I'm thinking
[38:30] the the uh the cost outweigh the the
benefits you know we I think Sadi was
[38:37] great at giving me the number so the out
of all those businesses that are down
[38:41] there because I hear it all we we don't
want to get the we want the tax revenue
[38:45] from want tax it's $19,000
I mean it's not even equal to one
[38:49] property. One goodsized company coming
in and what they're going to pay in
[38:53] property taxes on a 5 acre parcel with a
100,000 foot building on it and 100
[38:58] employees is going to pay four times
that in property taxes alone. So, it's
[39:02] not this huge benefit to the city.
$19,000 in taxes compared to our budget
[39:07] is very minimal. Uh compared to the
benefits of bringing a great company
[39:12] into the industrial park for our city
that for to employ people that live in
[39:17] our community so they don't have to
travel outside the city for work. I we
[39:20] can kind of capture that like that.
>> So just to clarify too the the ordinance
[39:26] itself covers the city of Esticada. It's
not limited to the industrial park. It's
[39:31] for the city. No, it's specific to the
M1 zone in the industrial park as an
[39:36] allowed use.
>> Now, I when I read it, I didn't read
[39:38] that. When I actually read the the
ordinance in the
[39:44] Can you clarify that?
>> I I believe it's the only zone where
[39:47] it's allowed to be commercially produced
and wholesale is in the M1 zone. There's
[39:53] not another zone that allows for
production and wholesale.
[39:56] » Okay. And all I did, I didn't know the
code that well. All I did was read what
[39:59] the ordinance said and it didn't specify
>> um the M1 zone. But what I added, but
[40:06] this can be cut and paste and and
whatever is what I added is um uh
[40:12] persistent nuisance affecting
long-standing companies with noxious
[40:15] output associated with this industry.
The current situation is preventing new
[40:19] businesses with well-paying jobs from
being welcomed into our industrial park.
[40:24] And then we could, like I said, cut and
paste or
[40:27] » I'd be hesitant to say preventing
because it makes an assumption
[40:31] » that I mean that's a statement of fact
like there's a company that didn't move
[40:35] in, right?
>> And just that it something along the
[40:38] lines is that it's not the most in
inhibiting
[40:40] » is a barrier.
>> Yeah. Is a barrier. I Yeah, I think
[40:44] that's fair.
>> Yeah.
[40:51] » I like the rest of it. I think
>> I'm happy to finetune it that kind of
[40:54] stuff with that.
>> It's got the spirit of what what I want.
[40:57] » I just want,
>> you know, because made a point of making
[41:01] emphatic statements. This measure does
not affect retail companies. This
[41:04] measure does not impact recreational
use. This measure does not impact
[41:09] medicinal use and this measure does not
uh affect existing companies. And you
[41:13] can make those bullet points so that the
people reading it can see it. Boom,
[41:17] boom, boom, boom. I I would change the
language to does not impact existing
[41:21] companies to um allows existing
companies to continue to operate because
[41:27] it is impacting them in a way as far as
like their ability to um sell to a new
[41:32] company and get a license. So it is
impacting them. So I I would say that
[41:37] where for the existing companies portion
that um allow allow allows existing
[41:43] companies to continue to operate
>> allows existing
[41:48] » companies to continue to operate under
their Yeah. Without getting long worried
[41:52] about
Does that sound good to you guys?
[41:57] » This allows existing companies to
continue to operate.
[42:00] » Are you getting enough out of this to
put something together? I cannot put
[42:03] anything to
>> and Melanie just question though is so
[42:07] we come up with this we come up with a
statement as a council that we agree
[42:11] with everyone agrees with then we pay
for the we pay for it it's not the city
[42:16] right so we're doing so
>> how does that go if we need him to
[42:19] polish if John's willing to and he
polishes up the statement are we allowed
[42:24] to communicate about that statement
outside of the meeting
[42:28] » no
>> and we won't have another meeting in
[42:30] time to do it so we need to polish it up
Yeah, take your time. Polish it up
[42:34] tonight.
>> It won't be hard.
[42:36] » Um,
>> and then decide who wants their names on
[42:39] it. You don't have to. Not everybody has
to do this, but if you want to, you may.
[42:45] » Just remember bullet points,
punctuation. It doesn't count in your
[42:48] word count. So, you're okay with that.
>> So, um,
[42:54] so the first paragraph is vote yes on
measure.
[42:58] » Slow down one quick. I'm gonna get Word
open. I'm gonna type it out while you're
[43:01] while you're reading it.
And I'm And I type fast.
[43:03] » You mean you can't read this?
>> Well, I just mean then we can edit it
[43:07] quickly and
>> I think it'll be the quickest way to to
[43:10] get to it.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
[43:14] » Vote yes on measure 3-638.
Period.
[43:17] » 36. Say it again.
>> 3-638.
[43:22] Period.
>> Got it.
[43:23] » After years of complaints,
ongoing nuisance reports, comma,
[43:28] » a little after years of complaints.
Look, my com
[43:32] » after years of complaints,
ongoing nuisance reports,
[43:38] and continuing lack of compliance,
it is time to take back control.
[43:44] » continuing and continuing lack of
compliance
[43:46] » and continuing lack of compliance.
It is time to take back control of
[43:52] what's happening in our town.
And these are bullet points coming up.
[43:59] This measure does not affect
>> town. Period.
[44:02] » Uh, period.
>> Bullet point. Uh,
[44:06] » this measure does not affect retail
companies.
[44:11] » Bullet point.
>> Impact retail companies. Does not affect
[44:16] retail companies.
>> E or A. Uh, E.
[44:22] » It's always a tough one.
>> Okay. This measure impact better. Um,
[44:27] this measure does not impact
recreational use.
[44:31] That's another bullet point. Another
bullet point.
[44:35] This measure does not impact medicinal
use.
[44:42] Another bullet point. This allows
>> Sorry. Yep.
[44:48] Good. This allows existing companies to
continue to operate.
[44:57] New paragraph. What a yes vote does is
stop new companies from contributing to
[45:03] a persistent nuisance
[45:08] affecting a second. Yeah. contributing
[45:14] from contributing to uh new companies
from contributing to a persistent
[45:20] nuisance
[45:25] affecting long-standing companies
[45:33] with the noxious
[45:38] output.
You want output or order?
[45:42] » Uh output.
>> Yeah. Uh associated with this industry.
[45:51] The current situation period period
[46:00] current situation is a barrier
to new businesses
[46:06] with well-paying jobs.
[46:11] from being welcomed into our industrial
park
[46:16] into a professional environment.
>> Yeah.
[46:20] » Environment.
>> What else do you want to add? Text that
[46:24] I've got.
>> Okay.
[46:28] » So, it's uh 63-638
3- 36.
[46:34] Sorry.
And I agree with you. I think it should
[46:39] be noxious odor output, not noxious
output because then they you people
[46:44] could take that as being the the product
that they're um
[46:48] » I guess I have some sort of effect on
>> noxious odor output.
[46:54] Everyone go that
[46:58] » or the output of noxious odors.
>> Noxious odor output.
[47:01] » Yeah.
>> Associated with this. And I think that
[47:06] your second affecting should be eight.
[clears throat]
[47:11] » Think that should be the
>> I always get that one.
[47:14] » Yeah, me too.
>> My affection.
[47:16] » Teacher
bet.
[47:20] » Vote yes. Vote yes. Three. Vote yes on.
>> Vote yes on measure three dash on
[47:29] measure
3-638.
[47:32] After years of complaints, ongoing
nuisance reports, and continuing lack of
[47:36] compliance, it is time to take back
control of what is happening in our
[47:40] town. This measure does not affect
retail companies. This measure does not
[47:44] impact recreational use. This measure
does not impact medicinal use. This
[47:49] allows existing companies to continue to
operate
[47:52] or this measure
>> Yeah.
[47:54] » allows.
[47:58] What a yes vote uh does is stop new
companies from contributing to a
[48:02] persistent nuisance affecting
long-standing companies with a noxious
[48:06] odor output associated with this
industry. The current situation is a
[48:10] barrier to new businesses with well-paid
jobs from being welcomed into a
[48:14] professional environment in our
industrial park.
[48:17] » I think that the vote yes on measure
should be its own separate bullet
[48:22] separate
[48:30] polish it.
[48:33] » Our first group paper, right,
[48:42] » school flashbacks.
[48:47] » There any other key points that we want
to Let me see if there's a word work
[48:51] count on here.
[49:02] words. 112 words. We got room.
>> That's it. What?
[49:11] » Still got to count all all of the names
that are being attached.
[49:14] » Oh, that's right.
>> Yeah.
[49:16] » Yeah.
We got um
[49:22] do we want to do anything specific about
like how it's doing that? Like this this
[49:27] measure will
um remove
[49:33] marijuana production as an allowed use
in our industrial park. Something that
[49:39] kind of cl because it just says what
that doesn't do. It doesn't say what
[49:41] it's doing. I just want to make sure
that the
[49:45] » all the ballot measure is pretty clear.
>> Yeah, that's why I didn't do that. I
[49:49] mean, I thought about
>> because when this issue first came up,
[49:53] the first thing I did is is looked at
Denver um because I was one of the first
[49:57] states that legalized recreational
marijuana them in Washington State
[50:01] because I wanted to look and see if it
was an issue uh for them, you know, this
[50:06] particular topic. And it definitely is.
they've got some hardcore rules
[50:11] um pertaining to noxious odors regarding
this industry. So, this isn't just us
[50:18] coming up with this. This is an ongoing
pro this is a a significant
[50:23] uh real problem seen in communities
across across the country. Um
[50:29] you know, if you wanted to to specify
Denver or if you wanted to I don't
[50:34] remember the Washington state ones I
looked up, but it's it's legit. It's
[50:37] totally legit and and those communities
really came down hard on it.
[50:44] » If you're going to specify it to this
does,
[50:49] then I would move the uh allow existing
to go underneath of that
[50:54] » as one of the higher points.
>> That's logic
[50:57] » just in just in order of operation of
that. So that it's very very clear in
[51:04] the positive column that it does allow
existing businesses to get to.
[51:10] » Yeah.
I don't think we need to be any more
[51:14] wordy than that than what it is because
people just read it quickly and
[51:18] understand
you say too much they might start
[51:22] questioning
>> too much.
[51:29] One press
[51:32] I was going with what you just said
there. Yeah, you're right.
[51:44] » Yes. Let's hear it again.
>> And then I ran it through Google too for
[51:49] the AI mode. It's got a couple
different, you know, versions.
[51:54] » Well, yes. on measure 3-638.
After years of complaints, ongoing
[51:58] nuisance reports, and continuing lack of
compliance, it is time to take back
[52:02] control if of what is happening in our
town. This measure does not affect
[52:07] retail companies. This measure does not
impact recreational use. This measure
[52:11] does not impact medicinal use. This
measure allows existing companies to
[52:15] continue to operate. What a what a yes
vote does is stop new companies from
[52:20] contributing to a persistent nuisance
affecting long-standing companies with
[52:24] the noxious odor output associated with
this industry. The current situation is
[52:29] a barrier to new businesses with
well-paid jobs from being welcomed into
[52:32] a professional environment in our
industrial park.
[52:37] And then that's that's our one. And then
this one says, "Vote yes on measure
[52:42] 3-638 to protect our community and
support responsible local business
[52:46] growth. After years of unadressed
complaints, ongoing nuisance reports and
[52:50] a persistent lack of compliance, it is
time for our town to regain control.
[52:55] Measure 3-638 establishes common sense
limits to stop new facilities from
[52:59] expanding a persistent odor nuisance
that negatively impacts long-standing
[53:03] local companies. Our current industrial
park environment is a barrier to
[53:07] attracting new professional industries
that offer well-paid jobs. By voting
[53:11] yes, we pave the way for a professional
business environment everyone can be
[53:15] proud of.
>> I like that.
[53:18] » Yeah, I like the fact that it takes out
the complaint. I just seems
[53:22] » The thing I don't like about that, I
mean, it's it sounds great. So,
[53:25] » keep going. Sorry. In part,
>> what what I apologize. What measure
[53:29] 3-638 does not do, affect retail
companies or current commercial
[53:33] storefronts, impact recreational use or
personal consumer rights, impact
[53:38] medicinal use or access for patients,
force closures as existing companies are
[53:43] permitted to continue operating. What a
yes vote does. A yes vote simply
[53:47] prevents new facilities from adding to
the existing odor issue, ensuring our
[53:51] town remains welcoming to diverse
economic growth. Vote yes on measure
[53:55] 3-638. I would take out the
>> the only thing I have uh with that one
[54:00] because it does sound good is uh out of
they're out of compliance.
[54:05] » Is that industry over there out of
compliance right now?
[54:08] » Some of them. So
>> So okay, as long as we have a basis of
[54:12] that then I'm
>> Yeah.
[54:13] » Yeah.
With that said,
[54:18] » where it says
>> existing companies, businesses continue
[54:22] to operate
>> as existing.
[54:26] » Yes. So if in compliance if they remain
within compliance because then it also
[54:32] gives the Yeah, like that.
>> I like that one more better.
[54:37] » The polished one.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[54:38] » Okay.
>> Let me get this. Um,
[54:43] it's got the bullets and everything on
there. I don't know how to do this.
[54:48] » What is that word count on the
>> um
[54:51] » Oh. Um,
what is the word? No sign now but still
[54:56] it's option
>> one
[55:11] copy it and then bring it into
[55:20] trying to do it with my
without a mouse.
[55:26] Yes.
>> Thank you.
[55:31] » You're always helping me, Jerry.
>> I don't care what Jonathan says about
[55:34] you. You're probably [laughter]
>> Oh, man.
[55:46] » Just getting started, too. I more months
of this, guys. Oh.
[55:54] It doesn't scroll up. Maybe I'm a
special way.
[56:01] » I'm sure.
You want to help me here? Is there a
[56:05] reason it's not?
>> Okay, I'm just going to copy it all and
[56:09] then delete out what I do.
[clears throat]
[56:13] » I went TDDY up there a lot.
Save that. So, we have the original
[56:20] and I was in 70° temperature.
Trying to get an airplane airborne.
[56:26] » That's cold.
>> That is cold.
[56:32] » It's up there working.
[56:45] They got those headbolt outlets.
>> Yeah, but you can't trust the network.
[56:50] » I'm taking out the word diverse and just
putting robot robust economic growth.
[56:54] » You guys want to hear it one more time?
Are we finalized?
[57:10] 163 words.
>> Wow.
[57:12] » Perfect.
Plenty of room for signature. Space that
[57:16] out.
[57:21] » Little white space formatting here.
>> Well, they have a particular layout too
[57:26] that they'll
[57:30] » show.
[57:36] Question is how long?
[57:41] We have the ability to print this. Do we
have to sign this?
[57:45] » We don't sign it.
>> No, we just have to submit it.
[57:48] » Yeah, it goes on a form. There's a
particular form.
[57:51] » All right, I'm going to read it one last
time and then I won't change and make
[57:54] any changes after that and then I'll
just we'll add people's names to it.
[57:58] Anyone that wants to be on it. Vote yes
on measure 3-638 to protect our
[58:03] community and support responsible local
business growth. After years of
[58:07] unadressed complaints, ongoing nuisance
reports, and a persistent lack of
[58:10] compliance, it is time for our town to
regain control. Measure 3-638
[58:15] establishes common sense limits to stop
new facilities from expanding a
[58:19] persistent odor nuisance that negatively
impacts long-standing local companies.
[58:23] Our current industrial park environment
is a barrier to attracting new
[58:27] professional industries that offer
well-paid jobs. By voting yes, we pave
[58:31] the way for a professional business
environment everyone can be proud of.
[58:34] What measure 3-638
does not do, affect retail companies or
[58:39] current commercial storefronts, impact
recreational use or personal consumer
[58:44] rights, impact medicinal use
[clears throat] or access for patients,
[58:47] force closures as existing companies are
permitted to continue operating. What a
[58:52] yes vote does. A yes vote simply
prevents new facilities from adding to
[58:57] the existing odor issue, ensuring our
town remains welcoming to robust
[59:02] economic growth. Vote yes on measure
3-638.
[59:07] » It
say
[59:18] I'm going to email this everyone real
quick.
[59:22] group.
[59:37] Here is the agreed
statement.
[59:42] We're are we okay to do that? Um
>> I think you are since you're
[59:47] » all together.
>> Yeah. Just don't nobody respond. Don't
[59:49] discuss it anymore. We're all you're
discussing it here. Community can hear
[59:53] that.
>> What you just read should be what they
[59:57] see when it comes out the
[1:00:12] » D.
Perfect. Thank you. Yeah, you did a
[1:00:16] great job.
Copy too.
[1:00:20] » Right.
>> All right.
[1:00:24] » Moving along. We are at mayor and
council reports and comments. I know I
[1:00:29] don't think any of you have had groups
since we talked the other day, so I'm
[1:00:33] not going to ask you for a report on
that. You want to make a couple comments
[1:00:36] uh before we go? Uh I guess the only
comments I've got to say is I really uh
[1:00:43] am noticing that the city staff is doing
a phenomenal job. Uh and they show that
[1:00:49] they can be trusted. Uh also uh I am
just glad that we got this measure
[1:00:56] argument done and that uh we can proceed
as as a city council together with this.
[1:01:03] So,
[1:01:06] » so I had one comment um and that is uh
the last meeting we had the the code
[1:01:12] changes uh state laws and and all that
stuff. We had that discussion. I think
[1:01:16] that was the last meeting and I had a
question
[1:01:20] um for Melanie and Allen regarding the
uh uh subdivision proposal that was up
[1:01:28] the hill on fourth and the original uh
plans had been approved. Uh but then the
[1:01:35] the developer came back and wanted to
increase the number of homes and so we
[1:01:39] had a very long discussion uh regarding
um basically the safety uh from a slide
[1:01:46] standpoint and that sort of thing. Uh
very long discussion, very robust
[1:01:51] discussion and I as I recall we did
approve that uh with uh conditions
[1:01:57] meaning additional um test holes or
something like that. Um, and so my
[1:02:02] question to Melanie and to Allan was,
um, if that scenario came again, would
[1:02:08] we actually cease that or would it be
approved by staff and had not come to
[1:02:14] um, and correct my wording if I'm I'm
wording this wrong, but the answer is
[1:02:18] no. Um, we wouldn't see it with the way
the code with the way the state law is
[1:02:23] now um, and the way the codes are now.
uh that that scenario would not um
[1:02:30] likely um come back to us. Um, and I
just thought because I distinctly
[1:02:36] remember the comment from the person in
in the audience that mentioned one that
[1:02:42] he'd never seen a discussion like that
before from the city council and two how
[1:02:47] a uh subdivision I think across the
street or very close to that location
[1:02:53] that we were talking about had had a
slide not long um after it had been
[1:02:58] approved. And so I think that's a uh uh
an illustration of what you're missing
[1:03:05] uh when you uh exclude city council from
from dealing with local matters. Um so
[1:03:12] that's my comment with that. Otherwise,
thank you very much for um getting
[1:03:16] everything put together uh in such a
quick manner. Uh thank you very much for
[1:03:21] the discussion um everyone's point of
views and we uh we came to a an
[1:03:27] excellent consensus I think and um thank
you all who whoever were watching um and
[1:03:35] that's it. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:03:39] » Yeah, thank you again. Yes, thank you to
city staff and um always being prompt
[1:03:44] with uh even over the weekend sometimes
we come up with questions and answer
[1:03:49] them on your days off. Thank you. I
appreciate that. That goes often
[1:03:53] not spoken about. Um and I appreciate
that because timing is of the essence.
[1:03:58] And with that said, um I looked back on
a handful of our committee's uh meetings
[1:04:05] this last week or so and I want to say
thank you to chief um and the safety
[1:04:11] committee um and traffic committee.
There was a lot of information that you
[1:04:15] had divulged and I want to ask people at
home who are watching or Tom [laughter]
[1:04:23] here in the audience um it's worth
watching. Um sometimes watching those
[1:04:26] videos makes it very um
uh clear on what we might be missing and
[1:04:34] where we need to fill in the gaps as far
as lifting each other up and being there
[1:04:38] for one another in um the committees
outside of our right here. And that
[1:04:43] being said, I noticed that the economic
and development team, I call them team
[1:04:47] because they are um they were discussing
whether or not they should dismantle and
[1:04:52] I was like, "No, please don't do that."
Because if anything, if you guys have
[1:04:58] noticed that the state itself didn't
really even have that department put
[1:05:02] together until like this year, they
decided that they were actually going to
[1:05:06] have that. And I thought that was very
strange that we didn't have one for the
[1:05:10] state. and I found that out through the
LOC. Um, but yeah, I would just like to
[1:05:15] reach out to them and say thank you.
Keep it up. Don't don't we have a lot
[1:05:20] more development to go. So, I think
having them is very vital. And I'd like
[1:05:24] to see that we have maybe some more
joint sessions
[1:05:28] um more often, especially when they have
a shift in how many people they have on
[1:05:34] their committee.
So, but yeah,
[1:05:39] » I just want to thank everyone for being
available on short notice um for coming
[1:05:43] in for the meeting. I think that was a
good meeting. Um and I just wanted to,
[1:05:47] you know, I I too see hear about and see
some of the stuff that's going online
[1:05:51] about people have a lot of input. It was
really unfortunate that, you know, with
[1:05:56] all the people with there a lot of
people with a lot of great ideas. I
[1:05:59] would like to have seen more people get
involved in the city council elections
[1:06:04] as it is right now. We were lucky to
fill the three spots that are that are
[1:06:09] up for um a vote. Um so I just wish that
some of those people that have the
[1:06:14] solutions and ideas would be willing to
invest the time to participate in the
[1:06:18] process rather than just complaining
about it online. Take the time out of
[1:06:22] your day. Um make the sacrifice. make
the sacrifice to have your name blasted
[1:06:28] on Facebook and and people talk bad
about you all over town. Um, and then
[1:06:33] come and step up and and fill the role.
Don't just spend all your time
[1:06:36] complaining online, but come up with
some solutions and sacrifice a little
[1:06:40] bit of your time to uh be part of the
solution that you want to see happen in
[1:06:43] the city. And if you're not willing to
do that, then maybe spend a little less
[1:06:46] time criticizing people.
>> Well said. Um it's pretty evident at
[1:06:54] this point that um I'm not running again
for council. Um this
[1:07:00] it was a long decision a decision that
took a long time to make. Um but I have
[1:07:05] to do what's best for me, my health, and
my family. Um this is my eighth year on
[1:07:10] council and the last couple of years
have been really good. So I appreciate
[1:07:15] that. Um I I always appreciate our city
staff and the work that they put in. You
[1:07:19] guys are amazing. Um
but yeah, um I'm I'm a little
[1:07:25] disappointed in the um the turnout of
potential council people, you know, to
[1:07:32] be put in the to run for this office.
I'm a little disappointed in the in the
[1:07:36] turnout, but I am glad that we at least
have enough people to fill all the
[1:07:40] seats. Um and look forward to an
exciting mayoral race.
[1:07:46] So, um, thank you all for your time and
and everything. And I'm not going to be,
[1:07:52] uh, have short- timerrs disease. I'm
going to be in it all the way through.
[1:07:56] And hopefully, you know, in a year, if
you guys see my name on an application
[1:08:00] for a city committee or commission, you
don't hold my time up here against me.
[1:08:06] But appreciate you all for your time.
[1:08:14] » I apologize for having to leave. I
sneezed and it made my stomach cramp and
[1:08:17] it was bad. I wasn't sure what was going
to happen with that. So, I apologize for
[1:08:21] walking out, but thanks for your work on
that. I thought the ballot measure
[1:08:24] turned out really well and it was really
cool to watch uh this team collaborate,
[1:08:28] I thought, too, and just go back and
forth and see each of your guys'
[1:08:32] creative plays. It's easy to be somebody
that's always got something to say or
[1:08:36] have an opinion, but it's really cool to
see other people come to life and
[1:08:40] express their opinions and share their
standpoint. So, I appreciate each of you
[1:08:43] guys for working through that uh as we
try to get this right and be very
[1:08:48] specific in who we are impacting and
what our desired intent with this
[1:08:52] measure is versus speculation. So, I
thought that was cool. And then I'm
[1:08:58] going to harp on the example thing
again. I'm going to stand on this. I'm
[1:09:01] not over the data that we got. I thought
that was absolutely atrocious to hear
[1:09:05] that sixth graders are participating.
And to me, I just look in the mirror.
[1:09:10] That's just where I start. And I think
it's our example. It's what we're seeing
[1:09:13] at home. It's what we're doing when
we're walking around, where our head is,
[1:09:17] what we're consuming and watching. It's
all these little things adding up. So,
[1:09:21] I'm just going to encourage people now
more than ever to live and be the change
[1:09:27] or the example that you want to see in
the world. Like, sincerely,
[1:09:32] the data shows that they're watching. It
matters. What you do matters for a
[1:09:37] career. Everything you do, your story,
everything you are, it matters now more
[1:09:40] than everything. And I want that to be
very important to this community,
[1:09:44] unrelated to any race. It's more
important right now than ever that as an
[1:09:48] individual, you express your right to
vote. You express your right to
[1:09:52] communicate what you dislike, what you
do like, and just to be present, be
[1:09:57] active, be engaged, and take
accountability for yourself and those
[1:10:01] around you and this community because
it's worth fighting for. It really is.
[1:10:05] So are the people around you. So that's
what I want to say about that. And then
[1:10:09] thank you to the staff for your hard
work. And Chief Tenway, I want to say
[1:10:12] thank you to you. I heard multiple
people I want to just say this. I heard
[1:10:17] multiple people tell me that they heard
from you directly about this fire and
[1:10:21] this situation that you've been overly
involved and super communicative.
[1:10:25] Keeping Melanie in the loop. Melanie,
you responded with the fires. They got
[1:10:29] started really fast and notification.
It's super important to me that we point
[1:10:34] out the things, especially my
standpoint. I'm always harping on what's
[1:10:38] not happening. Thank you for addressing
that and making sure that that was
[1:10:42] something that was communicated. I know
that I got a text message. I'm sure all
[1:10:45] of you did as well. So, I like to see
the improvements that this team has made
[1:10:50] and this has been under your leadership.
Make no doubt about that. There's no
[1:10:54] mistake there. and my uh my campaign has
not from a disrespectful place and I
[1:11:00] embrace you and say that I appreciate
everything you've done for this
[1:11:02] community and that's my stance and you
won't see anything else come from me on
[1:11:06] that front.
>> Okay.
[1:11:09] Well, they've all said great things. Um
these are good counselors. They've done
[1:11:14] great jobs. I'll miss you, Jerry. I
don't have anybody to spar with now.
[1:11:18] You're gone. Um
>> still got a few months with
[1:11:22] » That's right. That's right. But uh no,
you you've all done great things. Staff
[1:11:27] has done wonderful things. Chief, you've
been wonderful. I see you all over the
[1:11:31] place. And he's right. The community is,
you know, reaching out in leaps and
[1:11:36] bounds to tell me how wonderful you are.
That's a good sign. Um
[1:11:41] but that said, I'm also sorry for being
late tonight. I forgot five o'clock
[1:11:45] instead of six o'clock. Um but I want to
thank the press for stepping in and
[1:11:50] making it happen. Did a great job. And
that said, I'm going to adjourn this
[1:11:54] meeting. Your adjourn