1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Welcome to the Tuesday, September 1st, regular city council meeting. Calling 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:12,280 this meeting to order. Would you please join me for pledge of allegiance? 3 00:00:14,559 --> 00:00:23,039 » I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 4 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:29,960 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 5 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:29,960 justice for all. 6 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Roll call, please. Misty >> Clemens 7 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,200 » here. >> Morris 8 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:38,399 » here. >> O'Brien 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,840 » here. >> Weird 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,520 » here. >> Here. 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:48,399 » Okay. Item four is approval of the September 1st, 2026 agenda. Take a 12 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:50,239 motion to approve, please. >> So move. 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,480 » Second. >> All in favor? 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:58,000 » I >> opposed. 15 00:00:54,399 --> 00:01:02,160 Next item is public comment. Anyone from the public 16 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:08,280 in our chambers tonight that'd like to come and speak to the council myself? 17 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:08,280 Come up to the podium. 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:17,040 » And there is a threeminute limit on that. 19 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:20,960 » Hi, my name is Nick Horseman. I own uh 3759 20 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:26,240 uh Lafayette Road, the storage facility down there. Um, [clears throat] I 21 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:35,759 understand that uh at one point it was a C2 zoning. It got reszoned to a C3. Um, 22 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:41,360 I'm not asking for um self storage to be allowed to be built in this area. I know 23 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:45,759 that that's probably not anything anybody wants. But what I am kind of 24 00:01:44,146 --> 00:01:54,320 [clears throat] asking for is if we could consider um a narrow 25 00:01:50,880 --> 00:02:01,040 um let me see how I had it worded here. Um a narrow amendment to C3 concerning 26 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:06,560 existing legal businesses that have been become uh non-conforming because of a 27 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:12,640 change in zoning. Um, right now I have some vacant land on 28 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:18,160 that property. Um, and it's kind of given like a 29 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:23,599 junkyard look, which none of us want because it's like outdoor parking. Um, 30 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:28,160 and I'm trying to bring climate controlled storage to Evansdale. I have 31 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:32,879 a lot of people and businesses that are asking for that so they can like store 32 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:38,840 their inventory and record retention stuff like that. So that's what I was 33 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,840 gonna ask for. 34 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:47,680 » Is this the right venue? [clears throat] 35 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:53,040 » Um we had been talking to Mr. Horseman um regarding it actually went to 36 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:57,519 planning and zoning um the end of March. Um if they would if that was the first 37 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,120 step and then it did actually come to council as well. 38 00:02:58,816 --> 00:03:04,319 » [snorts] >> um if they'd be willing to allow for 39 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,800 additional build. And this wasn't for you. 40 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,120 » This was for someone else looking at the property. 41 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,560 » Wasn't that for the semi-trailers that they wanted to put in there or 42 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:15,120 something? >> It wasn't semi-trailers. No, they just 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:23,040 No, they just wanted to know if they could there's, you know, a piece of land 44 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:29,200 to the side and back of that property. and um planning and zoning uh recommend 45 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:33,840 to council that we didn't allow additional storage facilities and then 46 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:38,080 council um actually approved the same 47 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:44,640 » that we weren't going to allow additional storage facilities in C3. 48 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,640 » I know my three minutes is almost up. Can I just say that in the notes it said 49 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:53,440 that uh they didn't have a whole bunch of information on that and their 50 00:03:50,799 --> 00:03:58,720 concerns were that it was going to be an eyesore to the community and it would uh 51 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,480 bring a lot of traffic to the area. With my gate controller, I have um 52 00:04:01,042 --> 00:04:07,519 [clears throat] access to see who's going in and out. It's about five and a 53 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:12,159 half cars a day and where I would be building is not visible at any part of 54 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:17,759 the street. So, for what it's worth, I just thought I'd add that, too. So, 55 00:04:14,799 --> 00:04:22,960 I'm just asking basically to consider whether we could make an amendment so 56 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:26,880 that people who have it can you know make improvements or expansions on their 57 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,479 land. Thank you. >> Thank you. 58 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:32,040 » Thanks. >> Thank you Mr. Horseman. 59 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:47,520 » Hello. Good evening, council. Keith Kaspari, district representative for the 60 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:55,120 office of uh Waterlue, office of Congresswoman Ashley Henson and uh uh 61 00:04:51,440 --> 00:05:00,080 back after two weeks and uh you know, from what I see here in the maps and and 62 00:04:57,919 --> 00:05:06,320 the development going on, you've got a very fine city here and to compliment 63 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:11,600 you all on that. And I will share with you all the one common denominator that 64 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:17,360 I hear for the cities I visit and the nine counties of our larger 22count 65 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:23,120 district that I visit is they're all saying that there's a 66 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:28,639 significant shortage of affordable housing. So, if you have any affordable 67 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:33,600 or I'll say housing developments in your community, keep it rolling because the 68 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:39,919 people would probably nothing more than to like coming to Evansdale to live in 69 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:44,880 this community and others um to find that affordable house that they can't 70 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:50,000 find elsewhere. So, well done on what you're doing and I'd say just keep it 71 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:55,160 going. So, have a good evening. >> Thank you, Keith. 72 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,160 Anyone 73 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,479 else would like to address the council and myself? 74 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:14,080 Okay, we'll be moving on to item six, approval of the consent agenda. Take a 75 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,960 motion to approve, please. >> Motion to approve. 76 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,199 » Second. [snorts] >> All in favor? 77 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,520 » I >> opposed. 78 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:29,919 Uh number seven, approval of the resolution calendar, please. 79 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,639 » Motion to approve. Second. >> There'll be a roll call. Miss Dean 80 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:33,680 » Clemens, >> yes. 81 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,639 » Morris, >> yes. 82 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,479 » O'Brien, >> yes. 83 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:42,800 » We smoke, >> yes. 84 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:47,680 » Okay. All resolutions are approved. Number eight, public hearing, budget 85 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:53,039 amendment. Um I do want to just reiterate 86 00:06:49,280 --> 00:07:00,800 um the items that were on our um expense and revenue sheet and what it could be 87 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:06,560 confusing because like what part of that the budget amendment is very simple and 88 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:13,759 it just goes it glumps it into one general you know category. So, um, 89 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:19,520 85,000 was our tiff economic development, our low to moderate income 90 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:25,919 program. Um, we didn't have everything ready to go and and weren't sure that it 91 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:32,880 was even going to move forward. Um, but then it did. Um, and that is under 92 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:40,960 85,000 or community economic development on the expense side. 75,000 is for 93 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:45,680 engineering for the HVAC system CRC. Um that went under general government. Um 94 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:51,759 we have found out since then it is going to be less. It can be less. You don't 95 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:58,639 have to use these funds. Um this is just a projection just like a budget is. Uh 96 00:07:54,879 --> 00:08:05,360 2329 other capital outlay for the wheel loader under general government. 102,000 97 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:10,960 other capital outlay um under the skids for the skid stair under general 98 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:16,319 government. Um 230 was under sewer capital outlay. There's something we're 99 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:21,759 considering. Again, we haven't made any decisions on that. Um but we'd have to 100 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:28,400 budget for it if we were. Um that's business type enterprise uh funds. 8,500 101 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:34,399 for a bike sign that was under general government. Um, that is something that's 102 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:40,560 been in consideration. Again, we don't have to spend the funds. It is a budget. 103 00:08:37,839 --> 00:08:46,000 300,000 for the Angel's Park project. Um, and that's offset by the grant you 104 00:08:42,719 --> 00:08:51,040 can see below in the revenue of 150,000. Um, that was culture and wreck expense. 105 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:57,040 Um, it was in last year's budget and it the project didn't start until late 106 00:08:53,839 --> 00:09:03,360 June, early July. So, we're transferred into this year. Uh there's transferred 107 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:08,240 out street for $66,60. Um that's under transfer out under 108 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:16,120 expense. Um our resolution read the first payment from uh street against the 109 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,120 equipment was going to be $66,60. 110 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:23,200 Um and that we had to account for that before we can spend it. Uh capital 111 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:28,240 projects Lafayette Lafayette road retainage. Um and that's under capital 112 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:33,360 projects 35,000 10,000 um what we have left in 113 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:39,839 engineering and then on the revenue side transfer in 114 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:45,279 uh would be the streets department for the equipment and that was under 115 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:50,880 transfer in under the revenue side and then the 85,350 116 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:57,360 is going to be um DOT what they need to reimburse us yet um the DOT Um it is 117 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:02,320 still in closing believe it or not we're getting closer um for Lafayette Road 118 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:08,399 reconstruction project and that was under intergovernmental 119 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:13,959 under revenue. So it is 610 opening the public hearing 120 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:19,440 » and may just for the record publication is on file and no comments have been 121 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:24,800 received. >> Thank you. 122 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:28,320 » Go ahead. Thanks for let me find out a few things. 123 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Um, >> yep. 124 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:35,839 » Is the 230,000 on line 25? Is that for the televising trailer? 125 00:10:34,079 --> 00:10:37,279 » Um, it is. >> Okay. 126 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:40,399 » That is correct. >> All right. So, you're just putting that 127 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:43,040 in the budget just in case. >> That is correct. 128 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,600 » And then what happens to that money if you don't wind up using it? 129 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,800 » It stays there >> for what? 130 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:54,079 » Just in reserves. >> Okay. Don't we have enough reserves 131 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:58,399 already? Are we making high on that. >> If you don't spend it, it just doesn't 132 00:10:56,079 --> 00:11:01,200 count as as expense. It's not going to make our reserves go up. You know that, 133 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,560 right? >> I do, but what are the other reserves? 134 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:08,480 Why would you budget for something just to have it in reserves? So, I'm a little 135 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,040 opposed to that obviously, but >> it's not budgeted to be in reserves 136 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:15,200 anyway. Carry on. >> Well, the other amendments seem 137 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:17,839 justified. However, I did see some discrepancies that seemed like they 138 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,279 jumped out to me when I was looking through the budgets. So, I was trying to 139 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:25,760 get a handle on different details about the budget. 140 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:31,200 So, I pulled up the budget from April on resolution 7046 and I thought maybe I 141 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:34,079 could find some answers there and I thought I'd go to the Department of 142 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,680 Management website and pull up the budget there hoping to find some more 143 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:42,600 details. Well, I noticed the bottom line didn't match by $600,000. 144 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:53,200 » The $600,000 would be um for capital outlay. It really wasn't. 145 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:58,480 It was used from the capital projects fund. Um we had made an agreement with 146 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:02,640 Evansdale Waterworks for for some repairs they had to make. 147 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:07,600 » Okay. But what they adopted was a different bottom line. So if you look up 148 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:11,480 resolution 7046, we adopted an ending fund balance of 6,41600. 149 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:17,920 But if you go to what was submitted on June 10th, that ending balance is 150 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:22,639 5,8191. So, I'm not sure why the 151 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:26,079 » Oh, June 10th would have been a item. Not sure about June 10th. 152 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:30,160 » Well, that's the date on the DOM website that shows it was last updated. The 153 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:35,680 budget was last updated June 10th. Okay. >> But all of a sudden, there's $600,000 on 154 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,760 line 25, which is TIFF Capital Projects. >> Okay. 155 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,959 » So, I'm sure it may be something to do with your waterworks loan, but 156 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:48,160 » I don't know how did that get slid in after it was adopted. you know, how did 157 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:52,320 that line 25 magically get $600,000 in it? So, I guess that's my concern is 158 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,440 that's already built into this amended budget that you're reviewing. So, 159 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,000 tonight I feel like you're not only reviewing the amendments, but you have 160 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:04,079 this false budget that is different in two different systems. So, I guess I'm 161 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,600 not sure what you're really voting on. >> I'll have to have some time to look that 162 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,040 up. I can definitely give you a call. >> Don't know if anybody looked into that 163 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:15,279 or not, but yeah, there's a difference of 600,000. So, 164 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:19,279 » okay. It wasn't in it wasn't what was voted on in the resolution. 165 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:24,000 » So, I don't know how was there a public hearing to change it 166 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:28,079 or something. I could not find anything to the sort, but that was just my 167 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:32,839 concern was you're kind of voting on a false number. 168 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,839 » Well, thank you. 169 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,079 » Anyone else? Council, 170 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,639 any questions >> other than I did with you too? Just this 171 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,959 second or third set of eyes on it, find it 172 00:13:57,199 --> 00:14:01,680 » because I I know the 600,000 you're talking about. Yeah, we had to go 173 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:03,920 through it because I questioned it when we went what we were doing for the 174 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:05,519 waterworks. But >> Yep. 175 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:07,839 » But yeah, it's worth in just to make sure we're transparent. We know where it 176 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,360 went, what it was. >> Absolutely. So, does that mean we have 177 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,639 to wait to approve the budget or 178 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:20,639 » I mean that's not included in the in this budget amendment. 179 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,079 » So, to answer your question, Jeff, it's up 180 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,560 to us. If we pass it, we pass it. If we don't, we don't. 181 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:34,199 Imagine 182 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:45,320 if there can 183 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:52,000 » but what she was saying it wasn't it it's not with this it's not in here in 184 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,399 this budget amendment >> between what we voted on and what was 185 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,560 filed >> it's not in this budget amendment 186 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,079 » that's what you're saying >> it's not in the amendment line but it's 187 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,839 in the original your original budget was off by $600 188 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,639 Okay. >> Compared to what you have in the 189 00:15:05,199 --> 00:15:09,639 resolution. >> Okay. 190 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:16,120 » What we sign is what goes actually to the state. So 191 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,680 » come 192 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,880 » there's discrepancies like that 193 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,800 » and that's where I I think we're more than happy to look into it. It ain't 20 194 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:41,199 bucks for sure. But um what I can say is any of the ones 195 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:45,040 that have gone through the budget, the state has to obviously accept it as 196 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:49,519 well. So there is a little bit there and then the city while not required still 197 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:53,199 does annual audits. So it is double checked every single year by third party 198 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,480 » and we are required. >> It is required. 199 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,600 » Absolutely. >> Okay. I know we hadn't and then it was 200 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:01,680 we were doing the full thing regardless. >> Yeah. No, if if you're over 250 in 201 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,800 population, you have to have a >> good but either way I'd still vote for 202 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,720 it. So >> you're adopting this budget if you're 203 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:13,440 adopting those errors also. >> This is just a budget amendment. The 204 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:15,839 other budget has already been adopted. >> This would just be to the dollar items 205 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:22,079 spoken. >> Yep. 206 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:25,880 » This is something that I catch up. >> A good catch. 207 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,880 » Yeah. 208 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:43,199 Motion to approve resolution 70. >> We're not there yet. [laughter] We're 209 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:50,079 still in the public hearing anyone else for during the public hearing. 210 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Um closing the public hearing at 6:16. Next item. Daddy. 211 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:59,759 » Uh resolution 7088 approving budget amendment. Motion to approve resolution 212 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:04,319 7088 approving budget amendment. 213 00:17:02,079 --> 00:17:06,959 » I'll second it. >> And there'll be a roll call. Misty 214 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:08,400 » Clemens. >> Yes. Morris, 215 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,919 » yes. >> O'Brien, 216 00:17:09,360 --> 00:17:11,439 » yes. >> Weer, 217 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,559 » yes. SMA, >> yes. 218 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:21,120 » Excellent. So approved. Number 10. Request from public works director to 219 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:27,839 replace engine for Hustler Hustler zeroturn without door and more in the 220 00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:30,240 amount of 345193. Chris is here if you have any questions 221 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:35,760 for him. >> What happened to the motor? 222 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:38,080 Just >> how many hours were on it? 223 00:17:37,182 --> 00:17:40,720 [clears throat] >> It's 2009. 224 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:44,000 » Oh, okay. >> And this is this was last year, right? 225 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:50,919 » Two years ago. >> Two years ago. We just 226 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,919 didn't do anything with it. But 227 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:02,160 » yeah, >> he just wants to have a backup mower. So 228 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:06,520 he he retained the the zero turn so he could have a backup mower in the future. 229 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:14,160 » And that's all it needs is a motor to get going. [clears throat] 230 00:18:11,679 --> 00:18:16,960 » That's all it needs is a motor. >> Absolutely. 231 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:29,280 I move the approval of the request in the amount of 3,45193. 232 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:31,760 » I'll second. >> All in favor? 233 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:36,720 » I >> opposed. 234 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:43,760 So moved. Number 11, request to display Evansdale day sponsor on digital sign 235 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:50,160 two weeks prior to event. Um, and just in case anybody has been following um, 236 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:55,120 our Evansdale Community Days page, it's been there for several years. I would 237 00:18:51,840 --> 00:19:00,960 say probably 10. Um, it recently got closed down, shut down by AI. 238 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:09,200 Um, for um, honoring our sponsors. 239 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:13,600 So, um, we are on a new page just called Evansdale. 240 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:18,160 Um, and we still will put the sponsors on there. We just don't know if our 241 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:22,720 sponsors are going to get the real estate that they were anticipating, you 242 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:29,400 know, as far as acknowledging what they've done um for our community, 243 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:29,400 allowing us to have this event. 244 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,400 » I move approval of the request to display the Evansdale day sponsors on 245 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,000 our digital sign. >> Second. 246 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,280 And all in favor >> I 247 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:52,559 » opposed. Number 12 is request to sell Dur patch 248 00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:58,559 machine. And this is a conversation. Um if you'd like Chris to talk about just 249 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:03,280 some of the things that um we didn't know about the machine when we 250 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:07,280 purchased it. Um, he's available due to salt. 251 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:15,280 » I guess the question I has is I went back to the meeting where you requested 252 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:16,880 the machine and laid it out and then we haven't used it. 253 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,400 » Yeah. >> Just kind of curious why we haven't even 254 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:25,440 used it. >> If anybody is familiar with the chip 255 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:32,480 ceiling that we did in the Heights, that was an absolute nightmare. 256 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:38,320 » And that was a fiveyear you know, repair without doing a a mill 257 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:44,080 and overlay to try to save us money. We did a a chip 258 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:48,720 seal up there. And if you'd have been the three girls that were in the office, 259 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:55,280 it was an absolute nightmare. Probably 50 calls a day on the complaints of the 260 00:20:51,679 --> 00:21:00,880 chip rock. Okay. So yeah, I did support this, but after I got down and looked 261 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:06,080 into the nuts and bolts of it, we are like a fraction of Cedar Falls and for 262 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:13,760 the amount of money that it's going to cost us and for us to go up there and 263 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:19,039 get uh a thousand gallons of of this slurry, we have to use it all in that 264 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:22,960 one day. So potential overtime. You say, I gota go to Toledo and get it. 265 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:28,480 » Yeah. And then uh there's three guys right there. Plus uh after 24 hours I 266 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:33,600 got to go sweep it up. There's there's two guys right there. So basically in 267 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,000 that 10% we got to do our entire town. So I got to have a place to go with all 268 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,640 of that. >> But this couldn't have been a surprise. 269 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,720 » That was a surprise to me. >> So you didn't res before we bought it. 270 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:50,159 » Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars I've saved this city. 271 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:55,919 » Yep. I made a mistake. But I mean, >> did I call Toledo and ask them if Yeah. 272 00:21:52,960 --> 00:22:00,240 if I need to use this 100,000 gallons in this day? No, I didn't do that. 273 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:04,080 » Well, when they asked about cleaning it, they told you that at the end of the 274 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:06,480 season, you bring it up there and they run the cleaner and all that through it, 275 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,600 » right? >> So, I mean, I would assume that you 276 00:22:07,919 --> 00:22:14,320 talked to them and >> No, that's 277 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:18,159 Cedar Falls told me I had to winterize it at the end of the season. 278 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:23,280 » Yeah. And a lot of the information we were given by the Cedar Falls, we 279 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:27,760 actually went to the city of Cedar Falls and discussed it with them and you know 280 00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:33,360 went through different things with it. This was just something that we learned 281 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:37,039 afterwards because that guy said it. >> So then why 282 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:41,600 » the owner [snorts] of where the >> So why are we sitting on it for this 283 00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:47,200 long before we decide to sell it? I mean >> now you're I had to fit my truck. Okay, 284 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,200 that took some time. Yeah, I didn't have my my truck fit before we bought it 285 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,960 because why would I do that obviously? >> So, once we fit it, 286 00:22:52,640 --> 00:23:00,240 » well, then uh the tailgate got wrecked. So, then I had to have that fixed. So, 287 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:03,360 then once we were set up to do it, uh I got a ton of backlash that we're not 288 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:08,080 going to do it. >> Well, like up in the Heights, they never 289 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:12,159 came and cleaned up. They put the chip seal down and then they never came and 290 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:17,200 swept it up after it sat for so long and then the rain and then it just poured 291 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:21,200 into people's yards and it was on their end that 292 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,360 the reason it went so bad, >> right? 293 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,200 » And I mean it's nothing to do with you guys. 294 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:27,520 » But who's calling them? Nobody was calling them. Who was who's calling the 295 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,280 city? >> You always call the person that's 296 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,919 » city. Yeah, >> it rolls downhill. And I hate to say it, 297 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:39,360 but you guys are at the bottom for right >> for everything. But it's just like this 298 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:45,440 machine, you know, we sat on it this long. How much is it worth now versus 299 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:49,440 because there was, in your words, there was two other cities fighting for this 300 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:54,320 machine and we had to act fast. >> And you know, we got it and we made the 301 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:57,760 plate, fixed the tailgate, all that stuff. And have we even used it? 302 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:02,000 » No, we haven't. >> And what are we spending on cold patch? 303 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:06,000 Because it's I mean, they're they're doing a good job 304 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:10,080 cold patching. It's just >> this is supposed to last two years 305 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:14,080 versus, >> you know, the cold patches sometimes 306 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:18,640 don't even last a couple weeks, >> but I have to use a thousand gallons. 307 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:23,200 So, I have to have this whole town be in shemls. 308 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:27,120 » But they can't break it into totes. >> No, it's thousand gallons. That's what 309 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:33,200 they fill me up with. And I have to I have to utilize all of that in one day. 310 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,000 So Waterloo and Cedar Falls use a thousand gallons of it a day when they 311 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,240 use their machines. >> Absolutely. 312 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,840 » We're we're a fraction of what they are. >> Oh yeah. 313 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,760 » A lot more room. >> But wouldn't Cedar Falls have told us 314 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,760 prior? >> They didn't tell us 315 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,679 » that it wasn't brought up. >> No. [snorts] 316 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:55,120 » Well, I mean, you would think that would be something that would be, well, if 317 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:58,400 you're not going to use it for X amount, then it's a waste. 318 00:24:56,799 --> 00:25:01,600 » Is Is there still a market for the machine? Yeah. 319 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,760 » Can we get out of it what we got in it? >> I don't know that. 320 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,159 » Okay. >> We're going to advertise it on a Well, 321 00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:11,120 if you guys agree to it, we're going to advertise it on a few sites and see what 322 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:14,080 we can get. >> I mean, there's no point in keeping it 323 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:20,880 if we're not going to use it. >> I mean, that's just collecting dust. And 324 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:26,559 the longer you sit, and I don't know what the resale value of equipment like 325 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:30,640 that is, but I'm assuming it depreciates as it goes. 326 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:34,640 But I was just curious why we haven't used it since we got it because I went 327 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:40,240 through and like I said, I watched the presentation on YouTube 328 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:42,640 of you explaining why we needed it and how much it was going to save the city, 329 00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:47,799 » right? >> And then we don't use it, 330 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,799 » right? 331 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:54,960 » I think I mean I step in here too, Jeff. I mean I'll take it. I I was on council. 332 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:59,440 I listened to it. I voted for it. So I'll I'll take my licks on this as well. 333 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:02,960 Um, I think overall in in talking with the mayor recently after it had been 334 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,799 brought up again after the camera trailer kind of came up and the similar 335 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:13,200 things of what is urgent and what is not. Um, just to be completely honest in 336 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:18,320 what it was, it was something that we thought I thought was a good deal. It 337 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:22,400 was something that we could utilize. I know myself I had no anticipation for 338 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,480 the mess it was up on Sixth Street. And I 100% I'm like, 339 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:30,000 » "What is that? And why is it there?" and don't do that again. So, I'm glad, 340 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,720 » you know, but we didn't go after the company that 341 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:35,919 » did the job, which >> we should have because they were 342 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:38,559 supposed to come back out after because I even brought it up to you that the 343 00:26:37,563 --> 00:26:43,200 [clears throat] people were calling me saying, you know, it's going in our 344 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:47,120 grass and our yards and all this. Well, they're supposed to go up there and re 345 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:50,480 sweep after 3 days after it gets >> I know, but they know. 346 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:54,240 » Yep. >> You know, and like I said, I I 347 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,679 understand. I just I heard the spiel to buy it. 348 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,960 » Mhm. >> And that's why I don't understand why we 349 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:05,840 need the best of the best if we're not going to utilize it. 350 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,960 » I mean, you had to know this before two years. 351 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:13,200 » I mean, it's not like yesterday you walked out there and said, "Oh, let's 352 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:17,840 use a Dura Patch." I mean, after we got it, shortly thereafter, after you got 353 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:21,279 everything set up, we have to know that it was going to be beyond what we 354 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:25,279 need. They told me that I had to use that that thousand gallons in one day. 355 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,120 » Yeah, but I mean when I called them >> You didn't just find that out, did you? 356 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:32,000 » I just found that out when I called them up to go get 357 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,440 » that was this year. Last year they were busy with different projects throughout 358 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:40,159 the city. They didn't have the capability to do it last year because, 359 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:44,000 you know, they have to pull off staff for that amount of time to do it. 360 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:48,000 » Well, yeah. That's so >> I mean that not taking nothing against 361 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,919 the street department, but I mean that's their their job. No, it is their job. 362 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,080 But they had a lot going on last night. >> I mean, you schedule your week, day, 363 00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:02,559 month. I'm sure, >> you know, I know like right now I I know 364 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:08,960 kind of who does what so far, but I'm not saying maybe we're underst staffed. 365 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:11,679 I mean, because cold patching's good. It does the job, but the first time they 366 00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:15,840 run the plows through there, the cold patches are gone and the potholes are 367 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:24,480 back. This was supposed to be more of an epoxy type setup that it could last up 368 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,159 to two years. I mean, plowing's hard on the roads as it is. 369 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,159 » Yeah. >> And it's hard on them guys sitting in 370 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:34,799 the trucks. I mean, anytime a road lifts, I mean, they're hitting that 371 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:39,840 stuff. I mean, this it sounded like it was a far better machine. Do they make a 372 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:43,919 smaller version or something that's more capable of what our guys can do? 373 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,880 that I don't know. >> I mean, because I know Waterloo, I see 374 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:51,039 him out there with just the two guys. One guy in the truck, one guy on the 375 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:55,600 Dura Patch. I mean, >> that's what we would do. Then we'd have 376 00:28:52,880 --> 00:29:00,880 two guys to clean it and or sweep it and then one in the dump truck. 377 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:06,159 » Yeah. I mean, like I said, I I would think you put the cart before 378 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:11,279 the horses by buying the equipment by not getting all the details. I mean, 379 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,600 and like I said, maybe I'm just rambling, but you would think you would 380 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,640 know what you're jumping into before you >> I didn't 381 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:23,840 » buy the equipment. >> If I remember correctly, um, Cedar Falls 382 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:26,880 approached us about that. >> They were getting a new piece of 383 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:31,039 equipment. They were going to sell. In fact, one of the homeowners in in my 384 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:34,640 board mentioned it to me at the time even. 385 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:39,520 » So, it was it's not like we went out looking for this. No, no. 386 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:43,200 City is jumping at it. So, we had to act quick. 387 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,679 » Nice bright shiny object and it seems like a good idea. 388 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:51,679 We got buyer remorse and we may be able to collect our money back. 389 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:55,279 » And I think that's what's fair, Jeff, is is exactly it is 390 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,279 » why you know we had it. We used it the once 391 00:29:56,159 --> 00:30:00,559 » we never used it. >> So, no, the one up on was that not our 392 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,840 machine on six? >> No, it was chip sealed. 393 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,799 » Just theirs. Okay. >> Got it. Okay. Just the same 394 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:10,240 » the point he was making, you know, >> it would do the same. 395 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:13,679 » It caused a lot of upheaval. >> Yeah. Anytime you see it out on the 396 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:16,159 highways, you see, you know, motorcyclists and everybody cussing on 397 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320 Facebook and >> Oh, yeah. 398 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:24,880 » It's It's >> But it's a longer lasting fix than 399 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:28,080 trying to fix the actual road. >> I mean I mean I'm all for selling it. If 400 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,000 we're not going to use it, there's no sense in it taking up shop space. 401 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:36,320 » And I think that's what it came back to, Jeff, was just I don't think the 402 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:40,559 interest was there to use it. I don't think it was necessarily the piece of 403 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:46,240 equipment that we had. And then yeah, I I to be 100% fair, it was something that 404 00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:51,200 we moved quick on. We thought it was something that we could use and 405 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,799 » Well, and this instance, we were wrong. >> And no offense, the council don't know. 406 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,600 » I mean, >> but it's on us, too. Yeah. I'm going to 407 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,120 take my my >> But I mean, 408 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:06,559 » maybe we research stuff before we jump in and buy stuff. 409 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:09,760 » Yep. because it isn't our money, it's >> everyone's money. 410 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,960 » And just to prove to that point a little bit, not to get too far off topic, I 411 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:16,320 think that's exactly what happened what we did two weeks ago with that camera 412 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:20,720 trailer sitting out there. >> Hey, this is great. This is that. Wait, 413 00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:24,720 it's $250,000. Hang on, time out. >> And it's still good to look at, but I 414 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:30,399 think we slowed the process down. >> And this one just it was 415 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:33,520 » hot sale. You know, everything must go. It ends by the end of the day. we need 416 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:37,200 an answer now. And I think we all kind of, at least I did, played into and we 417 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:41,600 thought it was something and this time it burned us. Just I mean to be 100% 418 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:46,640 honest. It was just something we thought we could use and it didn't. And and 419 00:31:43,679 --> 00:31:50,559 that's I don't want Chris I don't want to put anybody I had my share in it as 420 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:55,360 well. And same questions, you know, talking with the mayor and Chris over 421 00:31:52,320 --> 00:32:00,559 it. I I was one up on Sixth Street when I came through. My my folks live up that 422 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,720 direction and it was terrible. I'm like, "This sucks. Whatever this stuff is, 423 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:07,120 don't." >> And I think we need to go after vendors, 424 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:10,080 not >> But you know how the phone calls work. 425 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:14,320 You never get a phone call because people are happy. Your phone only rings 426 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,720 because they're not happy about something. 427 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,720 » That's correct. >> Now, on the vendors, I will say I have 428 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,440 tried everything I can even with legal. It obviously doesn't happen in this 429 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:27,440 premise, but I will say I have absolutely had those calls to do 430 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:32,240 whatever we could as far as we I'm with you on that. So, 431 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:37,600 » I I I have tried. We have tried. >> But no, I move forward to request and 432 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,120 say we sell it. >> I'll second. 433 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:44,760 » All in favor? >> I opposed. 434 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,159 » Thanks, Chris. >> Thanks, Chris. 435 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:56,320 » 13. Uh, mayor council reports. Um, just to reiterate, uh, Evansdale days is 436 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:01,760 coming up. It'll be here before you know it. Um, September 19th. doing a lot of 437 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,919 things for the kids. Um we're having a marketplace this year. We're gonna have 438 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:10,880 over 40 vendors there. Um that's going to be set on set up on West Gilbert. Um 439 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:14,559 that should be a great turnout. Really excited about that. A lot of things for 440 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:19,919 the children, a lot of things for the adults. Um neighbors rocking the block 441 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:25,760 and we're going to have a great band called Stack House. They're coming out 442 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,880 to uh visit us. They were um actually inducted. 443 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,399 I think that's the word. >> Inducted. 444 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:36,000 » Inducted >> into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So 445 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:39,000 really, really looking forward to that council. 446 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,919 » Okay. Take a motion for adjournment. >> Motion to adjurnn. 447 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,080 » Second. >> All in favor? 448 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,240 » I opposed. >> Second. Third. 449 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,519 » Got four. >> Missed it by three minutes. 450 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,480 » Missed what? >> 6:30. 451 00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:56,880 » Oh, >> I had it down. Wife always asked, "How 452 00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:59,200 long you think they're going to be?" like catch.