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are a mile,

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be as well as a hotel room, a little bit north of St. George, and not here.

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Yeah, I know what it's okay.

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So we occasionally will hear a little bit about this model.

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We'll see why.

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There's nothing that a close door wouldn't take care of.

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Okay.

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Hey, I thought to, I thought to read yesterday about this.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I think he initially thought that when you guys said we'll move you to the end of the back so that these people have to sit through a 30-minute preparation.

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He thought that at the end of the special use section.

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Oh, no.

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He'd be like back one.

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I said no.

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I think that meant like in the meeting.

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And he wanted to know, does he need to ask for the 30 minutes?

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I think we'll just have a conversation at the very beginning and say, and we've received a request, and I mean, they can vote on it.

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At the same time that they move it to hand.

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Yeah.

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So, I almost go through.

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So,

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I'm just...

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I'm just...

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I'm just...

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To do the two times.

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I might need to touch your mouth.

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Hey!

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Oh, man.

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That's a nice thing I think all of our work will be complete.

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I think that's all I've got to do about that.

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How are you?

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How are you?

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Okay.

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I would like to call the September 17th, 2021, 26th meeting of the Board of

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Zoning Appeals to Order, will the Secretary please call the roll.

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Ms. Cabel, here. Ms. Kasha, here. Ms. Payne,

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Mr. Rudolph, here. Mr. Schettler, here.

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Mr. Zainer, Mr. Petki, and I am here to show that we have a

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So let's keep going.

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May I have a motion to approve the memorandum of the August meeting, please?

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Second.

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Second.

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I'll cast that as a motion in a second.

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Well, the secretary, please call the roll.

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Ms. Kabul?

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Yes.

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Ms. Koshra?

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Mr. Rudolf?

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Yes.

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Mr. Shetler?

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Yes.

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Mr. Petki.

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And aye vote, yes, and show that the memorandum from the August meeting is approved

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with five B.S. and zero nose.

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And now, may we please play a description,

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a recording of a description of how we proceed

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with our meeting.

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I'd like to welcome you on behalf

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of the Board of Zoning Appeals and the staff

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of the Area Plan Commission.

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The Board of Zoning Appeals is an appointed seven member board

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established by state legislature.

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It's given the responsibility to hear an act

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on all appeals requests for variants

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from the zoning code and a establishment of special uses.

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Since there are seven members of the board of zoning appeals to establish a quorum, we must have four members present in order for a petition to be approved or denied.

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You do not have four votes to either approve or deny the request.

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You have the opportunity to go before the board of the next month and be heard again.

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The denial of a petition for variance, special use, or an appeal by the board of zoning appeals, or the withdrawal of such a petition by the petitioner, shall prohibit the board.

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Resonning appeals from hearing the petition for a variance, especially use, or an appeal for the subject property, or a part thereof, for 12 months, from the day of the denial or withdrawal.

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An exception may be made upon unanimous vote of the Board of Zoning Appeals. In granting a variance or special use, the Board may set any conditions, requirements or limitations, it deems necessary, in which are appropriate to implement the principles and purposes of the zoning ordinance.

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The board keeps minutes of official actions of its proceedings, these minutes and files are public record and are kept in the area playing commission office in room 312 of civic center complex.

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When you come before us, we ask that you state your name and address into the microphone since everything is recorded and kept is record.

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This board, which by state law is a quasi-judicial body,

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that cannot be contacted by the public prior to the board's own appeals hearings,

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has jurisdiction over two types of petitions.

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One is special use and the other is variants.

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Neither of these categories is a rezoning,

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their special waivers or special conditions that this board has authorization to

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grant to the petitioner.

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A variance is an application to waive or modify certain requirements of the zoning ordinance.

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It's not a rezoning of the property.

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In order to receive approval, the following criteria must be satisfied.

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The four conditions necessary to grant a variance are summarized as follows.

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One, the approval will not be injurious to the public health, safety, morals, and general welfare of the community.

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To the use and value of the area adjacent to the property,

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included in the variance will not be affected in a substantially adverse manner.

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Three, the strict application of the terms of the zoning ordinance will result in

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practical difficulties in the use of the property.

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Four, the variance is not a variance of the use of the property.

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In our review of various requests, the zoning code establishes the criteria that must

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be applied to each petition.

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The code specifically requires that these criteria must all be met for a variance to be granted.

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The second category that we have before this board would be special uses.

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Certain uses that are necessary to the life and economic health of the community,

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but they have characteristics of the operation that do not readily permit classification and usual residential, commercial, or industrial districts.

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Special uses are secondary classifications, they're not rezoning.

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In order for a special use to be approved, the following criteria are used.

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One, whether the specific side is the appropriate location for the use.

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Two, whether the use as developed, will adversely affect the surrounding area.

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Three, whether there will be a nuisance or a serious hazard to vehicles, pedestrians or residences.

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4, whether adequate and appropriate facilities will be provided for proper operation of the

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use.

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5, whether the use is in harmony with the Yvesville and Vanderbilt County Comprehensive

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Plan and 6, whether the use is essential or desirable to the public convenience in welfare.

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The Board of Zoning Appeals approval or modification of a special use, classification may include

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whatever reasonable conditions, limitations or temporary uses necessary for the protection of

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public interest. To protect public interest, to ensure compliance with requirements to be

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included in the site plan, the Board of Zoning Appeals may require whatever evidence and guarantees

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are necessary to assure compliance with conditions, limitations, and temporary uses.

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There will be a ten-minute time limit for petitions, and a ten-minute opportunity for

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on stress, following that the petitioner will have five minutes for the vote.

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Okay, the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Board of Zoning Appeals will be Thursday,

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October 15th, 2020 6th at 3 o'clock PM in room 301 of the Civic Center complex.

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The following petitions will not be heard this evening.

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They are docket number VAR-2026-058 at 1922 West Indian Street, also docket number

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VAR-2026-061 at 5800 Kansas Road, also docket number VAR-2026-067 at 2,200 North Bercart Road,

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also docket number VAR-2026-069 at 6,155 and 6,151 in the 9 Apple Road.

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These petitions will be continued to the October 15th, 2026 meeting.

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And one request we have is that if we are reading your application into the record to start the application,

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if the applicant could approach the podium at that time, that would be wonderful.

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And now let's move on to the first item on our agenda please.

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It has to all matters before the board today. Do you swear or affirm the testimony we will give us true and accurate to help you God?

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I do. Thank you.

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Okay, the first one we have is document number SPU-206-306 at 229 South Green River Road.

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Petitioner is Evansville, Church of God,

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represented by Husks' signs.

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Applicant Requests, especially used number 13

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for an electronic message sign.

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And this one also has a corresponding variance request,

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which we can hear testimony for at the same time.

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That one's under docket number VAR-2026-054.

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Applicant Requests, relaxation of the maximum loud height

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of a monument sign from six foot to eight point five foot.

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Relaxation of the maximum loud size

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of an on-premises electronic message sign from 18 square foot to 25 square foot and relaxation

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of the zoning code requiring an on-premises electronic message sign be located at least 200

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foot from any dwelling to allow installation of a new sign for an existing church located

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in an R1 zone. The proposed sign will be installed within 200 foot of 3 single family homes.

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All right, well everyone is here to speak on this petition forward or against it please raise your

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hands. Do you swear or affirm? The testimony will give us true and accurate self, you

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got? I do. So we have two pieces of business here. The special use in the variants will

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handle testimony at the same time, and they'll have two votes. Please start with your name

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in your address. Kipask, 530 click rest lane, Evan's Villandiana. My curse, 5411, those

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for a road channeler in the end.

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Thank you.

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You can tell us more.

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So I'm here representing a new heart church and a pastor, Mike.

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This is pretty straightforward.

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This is in a reasonably surrounded commercial area.

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It's reasonably separated from the road by a ditch.

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And that's why we had asked for the requests

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that we have in the design that we sought and if there are any questions, I'll be happy to answer

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anything.

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I have talked to Pastor Mike about having the lighting on the church controlled on the sign itself

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so that it will be dimmed after the dark hours and then after whatever period of time you

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being necessary or if anybody has any questions if they want to dark at 9 p.m. or whatever

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time that they would want we would be happy to accommodate that as well.

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Comments or questions from board members?

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Well the time being more so or less facing green river?

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Yes.

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It's not going to be at an angle or any.

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Okay.

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Anybody else?

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Are there any demonstrators about this?

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I see none, is there a motion for these special use?

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Some of?

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Second.

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We have a motion and a second for the special use.

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Please call the roll.

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Miss Cable?

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Yes.

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Miss Caution?

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Mr. Rudolf?

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Yes.

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Mr. Schettler?

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Yes.

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Mr. Petky.

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I vote yes and show the special use is approved with five yes and zero nose.

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And now, the further variance.

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Any discussion or is there a motion?

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Motion to approve the AR-2026-054.

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Can we have that it's dimmed?

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Like dusted on, because it's not otherwise it's not in the.

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With the exception that it is dimmed to ambient light conditions from dusk until dawn.

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Second.

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So that's an attached condition to the motion.

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Thank you very much in the second.

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Any comments or questions about the motion?

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Thank you very much, please call the roll.

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Ms. Kasha?

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Mr. Rudolph?

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Yes.

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Mr. Schuttler?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Ms. Campbell?

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Yes.

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Mr. Petki.

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I vote yes, and the motion is approved with five yes and zero nose.

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Thank you very much.

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All right.

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Next, we have Dr. Number, SPU-206-007-638 East Baseline Road.

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Petitioner is tea, Scott, and Holly Whitman, represented by a read Schmidt.

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Applicant requests a special use number 15 to allow a battery energy storage system

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with extension of time to establishment of three years.

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Okay, so can I take now to explain? Okay, so I think that at the request of the

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petitioner and we had some discussion, I think last month, it should not be a surprise.

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We will ask for some additional time for testimony, and we thought that maybe it would be a good idea if that's the case, then we move it to toward the end of the meeting.

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To the end of the meeting.

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So, thanks.

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So, and it's still okay with you.

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Yes, sir.

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So, the only exception would be that there's a request from the county attorney to address this now so that he can then

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will continue with the rest of the hearing at the end.

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So we're going to open the record now,

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and we'll hear what Mr. Schottmeyer has to say,

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and then we'll table it until the end of the meeting.

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It's okay with you.

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Yes, Mr. Stone.

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OK.

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That was my understanding.

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Do we need a motion and a vote?

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I think Mr. Schottmeyer, if he wants to come up

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and give his part of it, then we will have a motion

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to table it until the end of the meeting,

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but also to grant the 30 minutes requested by the petitioner

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for their presentation.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for the accommodation.

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Attorney Mike Schott, myer,

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Condeson and Con, here on behalf of the Van Vercan and Commissioners.

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I forgot.

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Yeah.

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What's going on?

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You swear for him to let you give.

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It's true in accuracy, I hope you got.

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I have a license, yes.

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But I'm not going to lose just one of this man, yes, thank you.

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So this is, I'm not going to say it's a can to the Economic Development Project we had

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with the solar eight or nine months ago, but it isn't economic development project.

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It's a little bit different.

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Normally, economic development projects, we just finished a large one of this can, called Tailor

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They come to government when they're going to employ lots of people and invest lots of money and have, you know, a substantial benefit to our community.

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They will ask for incentives to be paid to them or or compensation to be given to them or in the case of what we've been doing a lot of lay lays building housing,

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where we use money from the state, sometimes from the fad, and we distribute that to

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and do that housing.

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This is the opposite of that, and this is where the economic development is not asking for

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money.

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They're asking, because these projects are somewhat controversial, because they're new,

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and they're, you know, anything that's new.

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The unknown people tend to have questions about rightfully so, and that's the province of

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this body, this body cannot be lobby.

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So view are essentially like the courts that dirt can I have to go to.

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We have to present an open courtroom.

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So it's important for you to know the evidence that's before you, rather than here,

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from either side that's going to come in front of you and I'll describe that evidence.

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We've been negotiating with RWE, the end user on this project for months and months and

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And then negotiations have gone back and forth where we've secured better and better deals for the taxpayers.

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So I hope everyone understands that we've got to fund government just like we many of us up here have businesses.

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You can't grow business by cutting expenses. Eventually you'll go out of business.

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So that's how you're going to live.

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And that's kind of the state we're in in government right now in local government.

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Because Senate Bill won and other things that exist and it's very difficult.

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So, it's important that government always be involved in economic development, which our government is,

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and out there pursuing new investments that create tax-based, new tax-based, which, of course,

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do through housing in a sense.

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So, this is an example of that project.

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What is it?

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It's $200 million.

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To give you scale, you've seen the celebrations we've had over Taylor made.

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This is 4x Taylor made size.

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Taylor made, we had tax phaset, tax payment, we had to give them some of the tax money in order

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to induce that facility to stay here and it provides a lot of jobs, certainly more jobs

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in this, although I'll let them talk to you about the jobs.

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So they agreed to no tax phaset and we required that and so they won't be here seeking a phaset

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and that's a giant in economic development world, most do.

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Number two, they've agreed to pay a $250,000 vance payment

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once the project starts, payable over three years.

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Number four, or number three excuse me,

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maybe the biggest one of them all.

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Under Senate Bill, again, we're making it harder

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to run local government, my opinion, just my opinion.

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Because it's hard to find revenues, new revenues that exist.

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Sure.

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Only home buildings, one of them, but there's limits on that, because we keep cutting taxes on homes.

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We've put in place a 30% floor on the depreciation, so one of the issues you have on manufacturing

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or, in this case, equipment that covers peak load, which is a giant issue for utilities.

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this is a new way to cover peak loads,

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critical to us, it's really non-pluding.

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That 30% floor is huge,

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so that means in year five, six, seven, eight, nine,

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ten, we'll continue to recover large tax funds

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off this property, and then like all technology,

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they prior to replace it.

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More often than we do our homes,

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most of our homes, unless we were model, right Bill,

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Our homes are 40 year property interdeprecating the whole 40 years or commercials depreciating even faster.

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This this won't and it has a floor on it.

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So it'll provide an enduring substantial tax base.

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In other words, new revenue to help fund our schools fund our fire and our place and everything else.

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So finally, number four, the difference in this and other economic development projects important for you know.

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negotiation is done. Obviously you're a key link to it. And that's a decommission agreement.

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There's always this issue with, you know, we don't do it with houses. We end up

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having to pay to tear down the old houses and to get obsolete on taxpayer money. But here

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on a project of the like this, through third party bond, we put in place if this should go

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I'm sure people will tell you it will go obsolete then it has to be decommissioned and taken

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down and no costs of the county and that safeguards in place.

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This is the check and balance that was put in place for these kind of projects a few years

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ago so I'll leave it with that if there's any questions on the government side of it I'll

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be happy to try and answer if I can.

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Good John Mike, are there questions?

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Yeah, I didn't. What were you talking about replacement?

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You said you were listening, you started

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to talk about replacement, and I didn't follow where you went with that. So, it's got a 30%

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depreciation for what they do, nothing. If they replace, and that's what happens with manufacturers,

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when they put new equipment in, then you go back up. So, your 30% floor doesn't always stay

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because like our office, I mean, we get three years out of a computer now, you know, we're

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putting in new computers, manufacturers and I don't know the battery industry, but I'm sure

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the battery industry there, things become obsolete, you know, batteries just keep improving.

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And so when they put that in, we'll not be stuck with the 30% we'll go back up to hopefully

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200 million or more, where we'll start.

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So again, this is a giant revenue source, they don't come very often,

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I just, it's important

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for you as you vote, you know, you're taking into account obviously at aspects of the project

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and the neighbors and the risk and all of that, but you also have to take, I hope you'll take

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into account, we have to raise revenue as a government and it's always hard, so that's what

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We've negotiated, and I will tell you it's unusual to have this kind of negotiation.

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We seem to be getting it on technology projects.

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So I'm not going to just say it's this one, technology projects for whatever reason are willing

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to pay more and not ask for tax phasing.

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So that's good.

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Anybody else?

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Yep.

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Mike.

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Mike.

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you said just a giant revenue source, and I can't that there will be initial construction

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jobs, maybe full-time jobs at the site, et cetera, property taxes. So under the headline

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that there are stupid questions, where's the revenue come from?

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The revenue comes from the county getting its money.

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The assets, so property tax are the primary, one of our primary forms, the way three ways

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We find government income taxes, which we all dislike, sales taxes, which are not very fair.

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And then property taxes and a lot of people don't like those.

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Currently in the waves of government to stay property taxes are being pushed aside, and in some states don't have income taxes.

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So, it's property taxes.

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So, $200 million investment results in.

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I'll venture to say they'll be a top 10 property tax payer the minute they open.

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So I would put them at Costco.

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We've lost some, and we've lost a lot of big, you know, whirlpool was a big loss. So, just mainly through property taxes.

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I'm not, I'm a little like them talk about the jobs and, I mean, there is a construction aspect of this. It's a little bigger than I understand, I'll let that that's for them.

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But our job's property taxes, that's primarily what funds our local government is property taxes and income taxes,

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very little in sales tax, the state seems to keep most of that.

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We have some sales taxes we keep, they're very important food and beverage, which funds the Convention Center largely,

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or excuse me, funds the Ford Center right now and then hotel taxes which fund most of our recreational facilities around us.

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So will the property taxes greatly increase with this facility there over what the current owner is paying?

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That's my point, exactly. Yes, in a huge way.

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That's why we enter the contract with them is they're going to talk about it and I just want to verify for you that has been done.

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They're going to I'm sure Kuh and talk about we're not asking for tax phase and I'm here to verify

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Those contracts have been negotiated and we have them in hand

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Okay, so thank you. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm leaving. I'm not staying for the presentation, but

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It's important that you know the facts and

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That's what's been presented in front of the commissioners is on their last meeting

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So yeah, it's here to represent the county and the commissioners, right?

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Yeah, but I Bill would know more of them, maybe me, but I'm pretty sure it'll be top 10

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tax payer the minute they come online on property tax.

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Mike real quick, just to get it on the record, I know Reed can address this as well,

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but I mean, to like we'd also point about the property tax, the difference in the property

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tax, part of that has to do with the caps and my correct, because it's going to be moving

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from one use to a different use.

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Right. Now, our 30% floor will come out of the cap as part of the negotiation. The cap

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aren't the biggest thing. It's the cuts. Senate Bill Juan has the cuts. I'm heard

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Grant Benimer County won't be as bad off as other counties, but it's going to have

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a fact. So it's just the state government is Indiana. I have despite a few of my colleagues

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will get up here and tell you, Indiana, we have home rule. We don't have home rule. I'm a former

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State Board of Accounts attorney, and Indiana, we do what we do in this building at the

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best of the state of Indiana.

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And the state of Indiana, we can't go out and decide we're going to have a new property

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tax without the state of Indiana pound the gavl and approving it.

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So it's just the nature of running local government and such as Indiana, most states are set

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up that way.

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All right.

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Anything else?

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Anybody else?

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Mr. Mike.

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So you said the 250,000 advance payments,

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so that's an advance payment towards those properties

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access for three years?

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Nope, it's on top of.

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It's an addition too.

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So instead of, let's go into our housing projects

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when we work on, there's like four or five of them

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we're inducing right now, you've voted on some of them.

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Sorry to, I remember, we gave, for example, North Burkhardt.

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We gave them five, we gave them five million dollars

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to build that project.

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Here, they're giving us money on top of the property tax and no tax phase in.

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There's a roadway agreement in here as well, that that's pretty standard in any large

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project.

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I wouldn't call that anything unusual.

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I don't foresee, I suppose the batteries are heavy when they bring them in.

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If they damage the road, they have to repair it, and that you had the same thing on other

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large manufacturing projects, and we had the same thing.

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pretty sure on Taylor May. And then you said negotiation is then so county commissioners,

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everybody's on board and you guys have already had discussion. They haven't voted on it. They

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wouldn't. They're waiting on our decision. But it's been presented to them and they've been involved

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ever set for the way all three of them. So it doesn't mean, you know, it comes on to vote. They could

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change of vote,

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but the hearing, the key was, were the labor, you should have

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what? The question was, labor stood up, they support these projects like this

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across the state, is will it, will they sign a contract with the labor unions?

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You can ask them that question, but that's what was in front of the commissioners.

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I think it was the only comment that was made.

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Thank you.

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We then? We got it? So thank you. Thank you for being here. Yeah, thank you Mike. Thank you.

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So if there is now a motion to table this until the, to put it after the last variance petition, but also the request is to grant the petitioner 30 minutes and rather than the normal amount of time.

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And then could we have also 10 minutes for any of that.

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That's part of the, if somebody wants to make that motion, you can say so moved.

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Would that include 30 minutes for demonstrators?

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That's going to be up to you.

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No one has made that motion.

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I think I don't even know if there are remarks.

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Right.

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I think it was up to 30 minutes for the petitioner.

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Up to 30 minutes for the demonstrator.

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And then we could fill in questions right after the demonstrators' time.

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That sounds good.

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Because answering questions, I think everybody needs to be heard, I think that's new to say.

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So is there a motion to that effect, 30, 30 plus?

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Let's move it.

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Second.

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Is there a second?

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Okay.

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Please call the roll.

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Ms. Kasha?

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Yes.

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Mr. Rudolf?

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Yes.

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Mr. Schettler?

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Yes.

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Ms. Kabel?

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Mr. Petky.

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I vote yes and show that it is that motion is approved with five.

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Yes.

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your notes, so we'll see you at 12. Thank you.

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Thank you. All right. Next item.

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Last one we have under special uses is stock at number

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SPU-2026-008. At 315-style T-Couple Avenue,

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Petitioner is Koodle Bob's Doggy Daycare represented by

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John Casey and Ali Dix.

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Applicant requests a special use number 25 to allow

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a use in use group 19 for a dog daycare, approval should be limited specifically to these specific

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proposed use to prohibit any of the other uses listed in use group 19.

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So somebody here representing please come forward.

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Well, everybody who's here to speak on this petition raise your right hand, please.

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You swear or affirm the testimony will give us true and accurate self-decott?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Please for the record.

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Tell us your names and addresses.

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Allidics, 4 to 615, Mr. Park Drive.

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My name is John Casey, 4 to 615, Mr. Park Drive.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, you want to tell us a little bit of background,

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or anything more than she did.

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She read it into the record.

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The property at 315 cell, T-Copel.

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It's basically a empty warehouse right now.

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It's approximately 4,200 square feet of indoor space.

471
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:49,750
This allows us to keep the majority of our operations indoors while still providing dogs with

472
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:52,190
supervised outdoor exercise and bathroom breaks.

473
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:58,750
It also gives us the space to operate safely and responsibly placing unnecessary impact

474
00:37:58,750 --> 00:37:59,970
on the surrounding properties.

475
00:38:00,770 --> 00:38:06,770
We also understand that concerns that come with a dog daycare business, particularly noise,

476
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:08,470
sanitation traffic, and safety.

477
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:12,690
We've taken those concerns seriously in planning our facility.

478
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:16,310
Dogs will be supervised, waste will be disposed of properly.

479
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:22,250
Outdoor activities will be controlled, and we will work to make sure our operation remains

480
00:38:22,250 --> 00:38:24,750
clean, safe, respectful to our neighbors.

481
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:30,530
So again, we believe that the properties well suited for our proposed business.

482
00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:32,770
Does the Board have any comments or questions?

483
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:45,050
What is there a border or an agency that would oversee your compliance with health matters and

484
00:38:46,010 --> 00:38:47,290
cleanliness issues?

485
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:55,730
We do need to get a permit from the animal care control before we get up in it.

486
00:38:55,910 --> 00:39:01,970
I think if somebody came in there and their dog was maltreated or things are uncleaned for

487
00:39:01,970 --> 00:39:05,990
Pat, they do have a place they can go to for complaints.

488
00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:08,960
I don't know.

489
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:10,520
I can answer that.

490
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,560
Yeah, that's where people complain about things like that as they would take it to animal control.

491
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:16,100
Okay.

492
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:16,440
Okay.

493
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,040
They go to animal control.

494
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:18,440
Okay.

495
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,620
Well, the least will be looked at by city engineers.

496
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,560
It's already been done at Secretary.

497
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:24,640
Okay.

498
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,720
And beyond that, they would, I mean, it can be referred to the police department if there's

499
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,340
cool tea or neglect that sort of thing. Thank you. All right. Are there any

500
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:39,900
remonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion to approve?

501
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,140
I'm moved. I'll take that as the motion in a second. Please call the roll.

502
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:59,760
Mr. Rudolph? Yes. Mr. Schettler? Yes. Miss Cobble? Yes. Miss Kasha? Yes. Mr. Petky? I vote yes and show it is approved

503
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,180
Thank you very much. Thank you. Next item.

504
00:40:05,980 --> 00:40:14,720
All right. First item under variances, document number VAR, desk 26, desk, desk, desk, desk, desk,

505
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:20,740
desk, desk, 041, at 1113 West Columbia Street, petitioner is law lease pops. Publicary requests,

506
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,020
relaxation of the zoning code to allow gravel parking in lieu of paid parking for an existing gravel

507
00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:29,000
parking area, partially installed without permits.

508
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,820
This is the second variance requested for this site,

509
00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:34,780
following a previous approval for two years only.

510
00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:38,880
The applicant has proposed no time limits to pay for this request.

511
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:41,880
All right, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition

512
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,980
for our guests, please raise your right hand.

513
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,420
You swear to affirm the testimony,

514
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:47,160
you will give us true and accurate selfie-god.

515
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:47,680
I do.

516
00:40:48,220 --> 00:40:48,660
Thank you.

517
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,420
Matt Layman, our Layman and son, Consulting 85, 22,

518
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,940
Esther, Lane, and Evansville.

519
00:40:54,610 --> 00:40:56,390
Todd, meagar, 603, Adam's Avenue.

520
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:09,500
So, this is the former Trony's building on Columbia Street, somewhat across the street from the civic theater there.

521
00:41:11,380 --> 00:41:21,040
Mollipops is seeking to gravel this back area for their five required parking stoles, which pulls it off of a gravel alley way.

522
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,280
I'm basically going to leave it as it's been for many, many years we didn't believe

523
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,140
and get a, we couldn't find anyone that knew when that was put in, it's been there

524
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:31,940
for a long time.

525
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:38,080
That girl has, he recently approved one for the Civic Theatre across the street.

526
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,420
And so, we've just asked that you would take the consideration and please bless us with

527
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:47,160
this approval.

528
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:55,580
Were there any violations with this man besides what they were talking about other than the lot yeah

529
00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:59,780
Not to my knowledge. Okay. Are there comments or questions from board members?

530
00:42:01,220 --> 00:42:02,660
Yeah, I have a question

531
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,360
What's your is your

532
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,900
This is predominantly resale or hold or wholesale retail or wholesale?

533
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:13,540
Well, we don't we're not open to the public. Okay

534
00:42:13,540 --> 00:42:22,320
The only thing that parks in back there is one 16-foot ice cream truck, nothing else, everybody else parks out on the street.

535
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:26,880
To the honest, we out grew that we've been there, this is our third season.

536
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,180
We out grew that building the first year we were there.

537
00:42:30,380 --> 00:42:36,540
The whole mix-up came through, we had put an offer in on a building on the North Main, didn't get it.

538
00:42:37,380 --> 00:42:42,280
So we went back and we were like, well, can we get a stay on this?

539
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,620
because we were looking at maybe getting

540
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:46,900
graver to come out, put a building in, like,

541
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:48,580
why put down concrete?

542
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,440
We're going to have to rip it up and put

543
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,640
in funding and all that fun stuff.

544
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,300
So we've got, we haven't accepted offer on another building,

545
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:00,960
but now we've got environmental reports and fun things like that.

546
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,420
So that's where we're at right now.

547
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,960
And that was kind of, it was my fault.

548
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,260
I kind of left up the stuff, go, and the bonal vacation.

549
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:11,300
And we were, summertime is our crazy time.

550
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:16,340
And I'm going to, I'm going to leave some behind to be.

551
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,420
We're still catching up.

552
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,360
So I guess that that primary thought was minimal traffic

553
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,660
in and out to create dust or it's me and my mom and my hands.

554
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,800
That was it.

555
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,280
Anybody else?

556
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:28,360
Bill.

557
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:29,960
Um,

558
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,780
you know, it looks like you're asking that you get this stone

559
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:39,020
lot forever or indefinitely.

560
00:43:39,020 --> 00:43:48,020
Generally, we're reluctant to do that, I think, we might give some consideration to a time limit on that.

561
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,720
And secondly, do you have any plans to improve the stone water just leave it as it is?

562
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,860
In all fairness, I didn't.

563
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,880
So this was my first time ever buying a piece of commercial property.

564
00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:03,420
So I didn't know how any of this stuff worked.

565
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:05,200
I didn't even know I could request one in two years.

566
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,860
I just, that was what they defaulted to whenever they, whenever I put it in.

567
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:17,600
I probably would have requested more that particular building was just kind of a stepping stone

568
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:25,060
for us. I need three or four thousand square feet right now. We're at 800. I mean, we are like,

569
00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:30,540
it looks like Wayne's appliances are my building right now because it's just nothing but

570
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,040
And we're like this, moving stuff to get set out.

571
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,160
So like I said, we're looking at a property that's like 5,000 square feet right now.

572
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,780
I have put $50,000 in that building, and it's not even hardly worth that.

573
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:55,740
But that's what I wanted to own after the horrible experiences of out-of-state land, retail

574
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:59,680
landlords, you know, like trying to get stuff cleaned and

575
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:12,660
So, I don't really want to put any more money into it. If we can get this building deal done, that building will go up for sale shortly after.

576
00:45:13,460 --> 00:45:29,000
Whose responsibility is it to take care of the stone locked? And I asked that because it's really overgrown with a lot of grass and you can see stone here and there, but for the most part grass is grown that looks rather incitely.

577
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,100
Yeah, once again, I didn't know that I was supposed to, you know, that you could mix

578
00:45:34,100 --> 00:45:37,140
like salt and things like that, and with that to keep that from growing as much.

579
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,780
When we did have, we did have a layer put down.

580
00:45:40,420 --> 00:45:45,800
I had two tons put down, but, you know, the crabgrass just takes over.

581
00:45:47,540 --> 00:45:55,320
So I don't, once again, I'm constantly behind, as far as that, you know, to go out there

582
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:59,660
and pick grass out every two weeks, you know what we mean.

583
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,460
Well, there are sprays.

584
00:46:01,580 --> 00:46:03,320
You can mow your grass out, I don't want.

585
00:46:03,540 --> 00:46:06,340
Or you can mow, yeah, there are a lot more than sprays.

586
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,260
I'm just saying it looks rather unsightly

587
00:46:08,260 --> 00:46:11,280
and I'm concerned about saying, you know,

588
00:46:11,500 --> 00:46:14,660
we can make the stone forever or indefinitely.

589
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:15,780
I'd like to.

590
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:19,440
I will point out the site plan that's included

591
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,800
only shows the one lot to the east.

592
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,560
It does not show the lot to the West for most of the stone is that has the grass growing.

593
00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:32,980
And this was how it was permitted, just like this.

594
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:39,360
So what was put down on that other lot was put down whenever a home that was there was raised.

595
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,440
I don't even know how long ago it was.

596
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,740
But it was before he leased the property originally.

597
00:46:46,260 --> 00:46:48,540
So that was never permitted as a parking lot.

598
00:46:48,540 --> 00:47:00,440
But if you do approve the variance as it's requested, then they would be able to install a gravel parking lot there.

599
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,480
So technically the only gravel parking area that's been permitted is behind the building.

600
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:15,500
Okay, but it's the stone area to the west is part of this property, correct?

601
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,380
And it is included in the request.

602
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:19,760
It's not permitted.

603
00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,680
Three, I'm sorry, did you have something?

604
00:47:21,900 --> 00:47:22,780
No, back.

605
00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:23,060
Okay.

606
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:23,980
Becky, don't be clear to.

607
00:47:24,140 --> 00:47:24,960
Okay, good.

608
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Are there any remonstrators about this?

609
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:29,740
I see none.

610
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:31,760
Is there a motion?

611
00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:38,220
I would like to make the motion to approve as long as the ownership remains with

612
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:38,540
lollies.

613
00:47:39,180 --> 00:47:40,720
Is that?

614
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,340
Yeah, as long as the use remains with the business.

615
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,240
So there's a different business team in that are more traffic.

616
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,180
That's correct.

617
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:49,900
I would second that.

618
00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:51,020
So we have a motion.

619
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,260
You see the, you're not the owner, are you?

620
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,380
You see, owner of the business, not the owner of the land.

621
00:47:57,260 --> 00:47:58,720
We're talking about the owner of the business.

622
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,300
I'm buying an on contract.

623
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:05,480
Yeah, that's fine.

624
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:08,840
Do I need to, I mean, that to for this business, hon.

625
00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:10,060
You just did.

626
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:10,780
Thank you.

627
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:12,980
And can you say that one more time?

628
00:48:14,780 --> 00:48:16,220
Great the variance.

629
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:16,860
No.

630
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:17,980
I'm sorry.

631
00:48:18,980 --> 00:48:19,180
Good.

632
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,340
Good.

633
00:48:20,340 --> 00:48:20,860
You're fine.

634
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:21,300
Great.

635
00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:24,020
For this business only.

636
00:48:26,380 --> 00:48:27,700
You're second to that.

637
00:48:27,740 --> 00:48:29,000
Is that what we were saying?

638
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,660
I'll second that.

639
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,500
Please call the roll.

640
00:48:36,110 --> 00:48:36,830
Mr. Schettler.

641
00:48:38,610 --> 00:48:38,730
Yes.

642
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:41,680
Ms. Campbell.

643
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,340
Ms. Kasha? Yes.

644
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,380
Mr. Rudolf?

645
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:46,000
Yes.

646
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:46,900
Mr. Petky.

647
00:48:47,220 --> 00:48:47,800
I vote yes.

648
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,180
and show that that motion is approved with 5 bs and 0 now.

649
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Thank you.

650
00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:52,540
Good luck.

651
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,560
All right.

652
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,380
Next, we have a document number VAR.

653
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,100
Guess 26 to 055 at 2301 Saint Joseph Industrial Park Drive.

654
00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:07,760
Petitioner is S.J. I.P. L.L.C. represented by Morley Corp.

655
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,660
Applicant request relaxation of the required 8 foot opaque fence surrounding outdoor storage areas

656
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:17,660
to legally establish existing site conditions and start without permits.

657
00:49:18,420 --> 00:49:18,440
Sir.

658
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:21,070
Pink.

659
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,060
I feel like I'm there.

660
00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:31,360
Must be a big one.

661
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:32,440
I have extra color.

662
00:49:33,740 --> 00:49:34,000
All right.

663
00:49:34,060 --> 00:49:35,780
Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition

664
00:49:35,780 --> 00:49:36,660
or present photos.

665
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:39,060
Please raise your right hand.

666
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:41,300
You swear or affirm the testimony we'll give

667
00:49:41,300 --> 00:49:42,460
and the photos that you provide.

668
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:43,980
We'll be true and accurate.

669
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:45,080
So I'll be gone.

670
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:45,500
General.

671
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:47,480
General.

672
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:55,120
project engineer. So we are seeking a variance today for the eight-foot-of-paked fence

673
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,740
around outdoor storage. This is an existing facility.

674
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,020
On the really cool exhibit, along St. Joe Avenue, kind of up near Motopark. And there is kind of in this pink area. They want to have outdoor storage. It is for a current. There's a plastic company there now, and they've been there a long time. And to be honest with you, they've been storing outside for 20 to 30 years, because they didn't know they couldn't store outside without a no-pake fence.

675
00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:37,060
And now we're going through site review for an expansion and that's where this got brought up.

676
00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:45,340
And because it sits on Locus Creek, Locus Creek has what's called a floodway on it.

677
00:50:45,340 --> 00:50:51,480
And you can't put a chain length fence or an opaque fence either one in the floodway.

678
00:50:52,060 --> 00:50:57,200
And so instead of that, we are seeking variants from the chain length fence.

679
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:05,620
And instead, if you look on this side, you'll see kind of across the north and west side.

680
00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:10,240
There's about a hundred-foot thick tree buffer along Locus Creek.

681
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:16,120
And then up along the roadway, there's some existing trees that have been planted.

682
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:24,180
And then we're going to plant more trees kind of where those green bars are to help make it more aesthetically pleasing.

683
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:34,060
I did talk to the owner and the owners here today, also, and he said in 20, 30 years, nobody's ever complained and said, hey, we don't like your outdoor storage.

684
00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:36,740
Just be honest, he didn't know he couldn't do it.

685
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:37,520
Right.

686
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:39,900
Comments your questions.

687
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,180
Are there any remonstrators about this?

688
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:45,680
I've seen none.

689
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,120
Is there a motion to approve?

690
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:49,570
A motion to approve.

691
00:51:50,330 --> 00:51:50,550
Second.

692
00:51:51,090 --> 00:51:51,910
Please call the roll.

693
00:51:55,260 --> 00:51:55,640
Miss Kasha?

694
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:56,520
Yes.

695
00:51:57,500 --> 00:51:58,860
Mr. Rudolf?

696
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,200
Yes.

697
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:01,120
Mr. Schuttler?

698
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:01,780
Yes.

699
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,660
Ms. Cabo?

700
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:04,180
Yes.

701
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,260
Mr. Petky.

702
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,500
I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero nose.

703
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:08,980
Thank you.

704
00:52:08,980 --> 00:52:10,000
I appreciate it.

705
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:20,180
Okay. Next we have talking number VAR-26-056 at 7475-Viggs and the Anna Road.

706
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,620
Petitioner is Craig and Jenna Conflur,

707
00:52:23,980 --> 00:52:25,240
represented by Craig Emeag.

708
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:32,180
Applicant requires relaxation of the zoning code to allow an accessory structure to be taller than the main structure, the residents.

709
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:42,260
Relaxation of the minimum required front yard setback of an accessory structure located in front of the main residential structure from 200 foot to 43 foot.

710
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:54,300
And relaxation of the minimum required front yard green space from 25 foot to 0 foot to allow construction of a 188 square foot 24 foot tall pole barn.

711
00:52:54,300 --> 00:52:58,120
The new accessory structure will exceed the height of the residents by eight foot.

712
00:52:59,860 --> 00:53:02,560
All right. Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it or

713
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:07,280
I guess it please raise your right hand. You swear or affirm the testimony it will give us through an accurate

714
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,360
soapy God. Yeah. Thank you.

715
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:17,760
Name is an addresses, please. Craig, I make attorney at Condy's Donna Renecon, 501 Main Street.

716
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,080
Craig Conkler, 74 75 big Cynthia in a row.

717
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,120
We don't have a lot to add to this other than it's like correction.

718
00:53:28,660 --> 00:53:33,920
The height is going to be just under 21 feet, not 24 feet.

719
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,920
It is still higher than the principal building.

720
00:53:37,340 --> 00:53:42,380
The circumstances of this is that it's a single family ranch style house with an attached

721
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:43,040
barrage.

722
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:50,420
The conchlers are looking to build an accessory building to have more storage.

723
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:59,420
They are going to connect it to their existing driveway and with the layout of the property and

724
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,400
a long, big scintiana.

725
00:54:01,660 --> 00:54:06,600
There's a culvert that runs, that their driveway runs over, there's a ditch along scintiana.

726
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:15,480
So putting it anywhere else would add another, essentially they'd have to add another access point.

727
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:25,260
So they are proposing to add it to their existing driveway which would then require them to expand the driveway.

728
00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:30,240
They have, in fact, already laid gravel as you can see the picture.

729
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:37,580
Also, there is a note that a new site plan because of there's a question about the boundaries.

730
00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:47,500
Now, on the GIS site, there's a warning on there that says, do not take these GIS labels as gospel because they can be off.

731
00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:55,060
And this is a perfect case example. I went out there this afternoon, walked that and there is significantly more area.

732
00:54:55,860 --> 00:54:59,820
There is at least, I would say, would you say five or ten feet?

733
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,780
On where do that gravel ends?

734
00:55:01,780 --> 00:55:14,620
On the closer to 10 to 12 feet of the property line beyond where that gravel is. So where that green line is is not very close to the actual property line.

735
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:21,220
But other than that, I don't have any other statements to make, and I'd be happy to address any questions.

736
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Do you talk to your neighbors at all?

737
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:29,280
And everybody's funny with it, especially the one to the south of me,

738
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,000
but we talk pretty regular.

739
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:35,420
And he's he can care less out as long as it's within, you know,

740
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,200
a foot from a property like he doesn't care.

741
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:37,900
Yeah, okay.

742
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,480
And I did print off just for comparison.

743
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,880
I can show this.

744
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:49,060
This is an expanded view of the general vicinity and this shows the number of

745
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:51,320
variances that have been granted.

746
00:55:51,320 --> 00:56:00,940
if you go, if you drive out there or zoom out even of yours, as you can see directly to the south, there is a lot of large accessory.

747
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:07,660
Accessory buildings out there. This is not something that's uncommon for the neck of the woods.

748
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:15,420
Are there any demonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion?

749
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:21,430
Second. Please call the roll.

750
00:56:22,810 --> 00:56:23,270
Mr. Rudolph?

751
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:24,190
Yes.

752
00:56:24,930 --> 00:56:25,510
Mr. Schettler?

753
00:56:25,790 --> 00:56:26,130
Yes.

754
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:33,330
Ms. Cable? Yes. Ms. Kosha? Yes. Mr. Peckie?

755
00:56:33,690 --> 00:56:37,870
I vote yes. So it's approved with 5bs and 0nose. Good luck. Thank you.

756
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:48,680
All right. Next we have docked number VAR-206-057 at 1237 Vision Court.

757
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,800
Petitioner is cross-point properties group LLC represented by

758
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,940
Alley's signs.

759
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:58,900
Applicant request relaxation of the maximum number of on-premises signs

760
00:56:58,900 --> 00:57:04,000
from 2 to 3 for insulation of an additional sign for an existing business

761
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,240
in a multi-tenit strip center.

762
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,860
All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it

763
00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:11,620
or against it, please raise your right hand.

764
00:57:11,780 --> 00:57:13,820
You swear or refer on the testimony, would you give us true

765
00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:14,880
and accurate help you got?

766
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:15,320
I do.

767
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,240
Thank you.

768
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:23,100
My name is Kayla Rodenberg. I'm with Al B signs. We're at 1310-507 north of the highway,

769
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:32,800
and I'm representing Schneider Financial, and so in that zone they are in a C2,

770
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:40,260
which only allows two signs at 400 square foot. This would be three signs, and we would still be

771
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:47,820
that 400 square foot. It would just be at 237. This is a smaller sign compared to the other

772
00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:57,680
two signs. So basically, if you have seen the location, it would look more piezing if there

773
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:05,360
was a third sign because there's three angles from where you're looking at. So it kind of gives

774
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:12,300
more of a visual aspect from people that are going to like Costco, you know, where they are

775
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:21,740
located. Any questions? Are there any demonstrators about this? I see none. Is there a motion?

776
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:34,040
So, move. Second. Please call the roll. Mr. Schetler? Yes. Miss Kabul? Yes. Miss Kasha? Yes. Mr. Rudolf? Yes.

777
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,420
Mr. Petky.

778
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,080
I vote yes.

779
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:36,760
And so that's approved.

780
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,480
With five yes.

781
00:58:37,580 --> 00:58:37,880
You're now.

782
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:39,100
Thank you.

783
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,620
Next is dog number VAR-26-059 at 9800-Monsroad.

784
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,700
Petitioner is Jeffrey Kerchoff.

785
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:53,760
Applicant requests for relaxation of the minimum required front yard setback of an accessory structure

786
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:59,280
located in front of the principal residential structure from 200 foot to 70 foot.

787
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:03,680
To allow construction of a new pole barn closer to Monsroad than the existing residence.

788
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,840
All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward against it, please raise your right hand.

789
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,120
Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give us through an accurate selfie God?

790
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:13,480
Yes.

791
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,040
Thank you.

792
00:59:15,060 --> 00:59:16,120
Please take care of yourself.

793
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:16,760
9800.

794
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,440
Both wrote.

795
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:18,640
Great.

796
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:21,660
And you're doing an accessory structure.

797
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:22,700
Yes.

798
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,820
And I'm having to do this because behind the house it's all in the blood claim.

799
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Yes.

800
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,340
So it's the only spot I have to build.

801
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,140
You talked to your neighbors.

802
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,020
And they all were alright with it.

803
00:59:35,260 --> 00:59:36,960
Any comments or questions from board members?

804
00:59:38,380 --> 00:59:41,440
Are there any demonstrators about this?

805
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:43,660
Is there a motion to approve?

806
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:44,980
Some move.

807
00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:46,980
Second, please call the roll.

808
00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:48,680
Miss Kabul?

809
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:49,460
Yes.

810
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:50,540
Miss Kasha?

811
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:52,900
Mr. Rudolph?

812
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,680
Yes.

813
00:59:54,540 --> 00:59:55,220
Mr. settler?

814
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:56,140
Yes.

815
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,420
Mr. Petki.

816
00:59:58,240 --> 00:59:59,960
I vote yes and show it's approved with five.

817
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,600
Thank you.

818
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:01,860
Thank you.

819
01:00:01,860 --> 01:00:02,740
Thank you.

820
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:11,070
Next is docket number VAR-2026-060 at 840 East Diamond Avenue.

821
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:17,730
Partitioner is main phase one on behalf of owner, Hector Holdings LLC, represented by Erin

822
01:00:17,730 --> 01:00:23,570
Bauer, applicant request relaxation of the maximum total size of on-premises signage from

823
01:00:23,570 --> 01:00:30,350
500 square foot to 982 square foot to legally established an existing window mural and allow

824
01:00:30,350 --> 01:00:33,370
permitting of new signage for an existing business.

825
01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:34,510
All right.

826
01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:36,810
Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it,

827
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:38,370
or I guess it please raise your right hand.

828
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:39,830
Do you swear or affirm the testimony?

829
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:41,530
We'll give a string after it's happy God.

830
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:42,050
I do.

831
01:00:42,350 --> 01:00:43,190
Thank you.

832
01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:45,290
Please tell us your name and address for the record.

833
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:47,290
Erin Bower, Barbara and Bower.

834
01:00:48,110 --> 01:00:49,590
One, twenty, four, four, six,

835
01:00:49,870 --> 01:00:52,330
Southeast, first, sweet, one, two.

836
01:00:53,370 --> 01:00:55,090
Alan Hecker, sixty, three, hundred,

837
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:55,830
fell steadfast.

838
01:00:58,390 --> 01:01:01,490
So you're taking this property and then it needs a bigger sign, right?

839
01:01:01,490 --> 01:01:05,330
Yes. So, just to give you a little bit of background, if I may.

840
01:01:06,510 --> 01:01:09,410
So, my client bought the property about a year ago.

841
01:01:09,830 --> 01:01:12,930
It's the old diamond valley bank on that street.

842
01:01:13,350 --> 01:01:17,750
There's already a marquee sign there, and when they purchased the building,

843
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:26,810
my client goes to church with the youth winner of the Southwest Indian Arts Council Award,

844
01:01:27,350 --> 01:01:32,430
And he thought it would be a good idea for her to paint something pretty on the side of the building,

845
01:01:33,010 --> 01:01:35,490
not knowing that they would need a sign permit.

846
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:39,810
The mural went up, I think you have a picture of it.

847
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:43,990
It arguably contains commercial copy.

848
01:01:44,490 --> 01:01:48,690
I think it could be argue that it does not contain commercial copy because it's not.

849
01:01:48,690 --> 01:01:52,910
It's not as though he's selling Coca-Cola and he's advertising Coca-Cola,

850
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:59,130
But some of the characters in the mural are on cards that are sold in the property.

851
01:01:59,210 --> 01:02:01,330
It is a card and collectible property.

852
01:02:02,290 --> 01:02:09,090
And so whenever they went to get a sign application for the actual marquee that's up for the old diamond valley bank sign,

853
01:02:09,110 --> 01:02:13,210
it was pointed out to them that they need a variance for the mural.

854
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:15,010
Well, don't feel bad.

855
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:17,950
Fatman fell for the same trap. I'm Morgan Avenue.

856
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:27,100
And so we did notice one issue yesterday as we were looking at it, we filed the variance based

857
01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:32,240
on the square footage of the mural, and we had not calculated in the fact that the actual

858
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,160
marquee that was up would also need to be calculated into that.

859
01:02:36,580 --> 01:02:43,060
And so in our application, we asked for 482 additional square feet, but when you add in the existing

860
01:02:43,060 --> 01:02:46,560
marquee, it would actually be 962 square feet.

861
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,760
We'd still be within the allowed signage, which is three for that property.

862
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,400
So is that this request gets you there?

863
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,680
Yes, for nine sixty-two.

864
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:57,640
Are there any questions?

865
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,660
Yeah, just so I understand, you're just asking to keep things the way they are.

866
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:13,640
We're asking to keep the mural as is and then asking that the allowed square footage for the signage be increased so that we can also put our sign on the marquee that's existing.

867
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,580
Not add any additional sign.

868
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:19,540
Okay, that artwork is not just big posters.

869
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,600
It's actually kind of on the very end.

870
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,080
A local kid did that by hand.

871
01:03:23,340 --> 01:03:24,440
Yeah, I was by there at advance.

872
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:25,800
It's pretty cool.

873
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:26,460
Pretty incredible.

874
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:27,960
It's illegal.

875
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:29,920
Okay.

876
01:03:31,020 --> 01:03:32,280
It's a break in our laws.

877
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:33,780
Good job.

878
01:03:35,820 --> 01:03:36,180
All right.

879
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:37,260
Anybody else?

880
01:03:37,820 --> 01:03:38,000
Okay.

881
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,480
All of them were reusing to move a proof of all.

882
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:44,740
Why are there any monsters about this?

883
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,600
I think we're good.

884
01:03:50,020 --> 01:03:52,680
Just for the record, I noticed on the staff field report,

885
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,940
this is 9.82 and she says she's requesting 9.62.

886
01:03:56,900 --> 01:03:58,720
I think you did say 62, but is it 82?

887
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,240
So, it's my understanding that we had requested an additional

888
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:08,920
400 and 82, but with the existing marquee, that's 480,

889
01:04:08,940 --> 01:04:10,200
we'd need 9.62.

890
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,220
Is that sound right?

891
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,000
This is the 92 comes from the calculations from the sign permit application.

892
01:04:19,110 --> 01:04:21,890
So that would you be opposed to having an extra 20.

893
01:04:23,590 --> 01:04:24,950
They can come back and add.

894
01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:28,390
I think you're easier to dress it now than to get the proof.

895
01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:30,150
Is there a message for you please?

896
01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:31,170
So move.

897
01:04:31,990 --> 01:04:32,490
And a second.

898
01:04:32,690 --> 01:04:33,510
Please call the roll.

899
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:36,080
Ms. Kasha.

900
01:04:37,260 --> 01:04:38,200
Mr. Rudolf.

901
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:39,840
Mr. Schettler.

902
01:04:40,620 --> 01:04:40,660
Yes.

903
01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:42,200
Ms. Campbell.

904
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:42,860
Yes.

905
01:04:43,100 --> 01:04:43,680
Mr. Petky.

906
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,540
I vote yes and show it to prove with 5 yes or no.

907
01:04:46,740 --> 01:04:48,120
Thank you.

908
01:04:50,050 --> 01:04:50,270
Okay.

909
01:04:50,590 --> 01:04:59,450
Next up we have Dr. number VAR-26-062 at 1211-1213-151219.

910
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,220
111, West Zealand, noi, street, and 1300 West Franklin Street.

911
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,920
Petitioner is Lincoln Plaza, LLC, representative by Maria Bulkley.

912
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,740
Applicant request relaxation of the required 8 foot opaque fence surrounding an outdoor storage area

913
01:05:14,740 --> 01:05:19,680
Tolegalis establish an existing outdoor storage yard originally installed without permits.

914
01:05:21,550 --> 01:05:25,630
OK, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward or against it, please raise a right hand.

915
01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:29,150
You swear or affirm the testimony you'll give us through an accurate self-aggrande.

916
01:05:29,490 --> 01:05:30,790
Thank you.

917
01:05:31,070 --> 01:05:33,310
Good afternoon members of the B.C.A. for the record.

918
01:05:33,350 --> 01:05:37,850
My name is Maria Bulkley, I'm with Condy's Dohaven and Con Law firm, 501 Main Street

919
01:05:37,850 --> 01:05:38,810
here in Evansville.

920
01:05:39,950 --> 01:05:45,150
Lincoln Plaza LLC at this location is the real estate holding company for the Lansing

921
01:05:45,150 --> 01:05:49,890
companies, which you're probably familiar with, a building specialties company that has

922
01:05:49,890 --> 01:05:57,570
been with in Evansville since the late 1800s, so proud to represent them and they provide

923
01:05:57,570 --> 01:06:03,290
building's specialty supplies for many of our industrial, commercial, and residential entities.

924
01:06:03,970 --> 01:06:10,510
I find myself before you asking for a variance for rather than an eight foot opaque fence,

925
01:06:10,850 --> 01:06:16,650
a six foot fence with mesh paneling, like to give you a very quick background on why I'm here

926
01:06:16,650 --> 01:06:23,030
for that request. They did not know that there was an issue, but it turns out somebody in the vicinity

927
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:28,050
was cited for having mesh instead of an opaque fence and so that individual

928
01:06:28,850 --> 01:06:34,210
went and found everybody in the within a two mile radius who had a mesh

929
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:39,830
paneling fence and asked the planning commission office to cite all of us.

930
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:43,090
So we didn't know it was a problem but apparently it was.

931
01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:47,110
So we went through the site review process, cleaned up a few little things

932
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:55,470
Within that, I have not had any communication from anybody who would have an objection or a problem unless someone's here tonight with our Mesh

933
01:06:55,470 --> 01:07:03,250
Fencing, I did bring some pictures if anybody would have any interest in them. Okay, let me approach with that.

934
01:07:14,550 --> 01:07:19,350
Was there I'll ask this a little bit early, but if there's anybody here to remonstrate it on this one.

935
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:25,790
I don't see anybody. Okay, and this this is what that what it looks like currently correct. That's right.

936
01:07:25,790 --> 01:07:32,070
OK, so the idea is that lot is partially used for storage.

937
01:07:32,250 --> 01:07:34,470
And so the idea is you don't want that visible.

938
01:07:34,910 --> 01:07:36,470
You generally like to conceal that.

939
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:38,470
And I think it's well concealed by the mesh.

940
01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:43,850
They don't have a desire to put a different kind of fincing in.

941
01:07:43,850 --> 01:07:45,190
This has been working nicely.

942
01:07:45,710 --> 01:07:47,350
They replace the mesh when needed.

943
01:07:48,070 --> 01:07:49,070
And they don't know.

944
01:07:49,710 --> 01:07:52,490
They may do some different configurations on their site

945
01:07:52,490 --> 01:07:53,830
in the future, so they don't necessarily

946
01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:58,910
want to commit to some type of opaque fence. They're very happy with what they have now and they

947
01:07:58,910 --> 01:08:05,530
think it's visually consistent with what is in the area. So hopefully you'll see that the

948
01:08:05,530 --> 01:08:11,910
same thing that we do and approve this request. And happy to answer any questions and I do have

949
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:16,350
a Matthew B. from Lansing here if you have questions. Looking at the pictures that you provided,

950
01:08:16,810 --> 01:08:22,330
the barbed wire looks like it adds an extra footer. So do we know what that actual footage is with

951
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:29,690
Yeah, Matt may know the dimensions, but I think it's in addition to the six feet, so I think it does add another couple of feet.

952
01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:37,270
He's here in case I think it I've been by I think yeah, it adds some additional height.

953
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:38,330
Thank you.

954
01:08:39,470 --> 01:08:40,330
Anything else?

955
01:08:41,190 --> 01:08:43,090
I guess I'll call officially for administrators.

956
01:08:44,270 --> 01:08:44,930
Are they saw none?

957
01:08:45,130 --> 01:08:46,330
I see none.

958
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:48,670
Is there a motion to approve?

959
01:08:48,670 --> 01:08:51,770
So move second, please call the roll.

960
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:52,950
Mr. Rudolph.

961
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:54,710
Yes.

962
01:08:54,710 --> 01:08:55,910
Mr. Schuttler.

963
01:08:56,190 --> 01:08:56,350
Yes.

964
01:08:56,770 --> 01:08:57,390
Ms. Campbell.

965
01:08:58,470 --> 01:08:59,050
Ms. Kasha.

966
01:09:00,330 --> 01:09:00,890
Mr. Petky.

967
01:09:01,110 --> 01:09:03,690
I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero now.

968
01:09:03,810 --> 01:09:04,190
Thank you.

969
01:09:04,310 --> 01:09:05,910
I hope the other 13 offenders.

970
01:09:06,690 --> 01:09:07,330
All right.

971
01:09:07,670 --> 01:09:08,110
Get approval.

972
01:09:11,860 --> 01:09:12,220
Okay.

973
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:13,300
Next we have Dr.

974
01:09:13,300 --> 01:09:18,840
number GAAR-266063 at 5,0001 healthy way.

975
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:23,640
Petitioner is deaconous hospital ink represented by custom sign and engineering.

976
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:30,440
Applicant request relaxation of the maximum allowed number of on-premises signs from 2 to 10 and

977
01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:37,400
relaxation of maximum total size of on-premises signage from 400 square foot to 748 square

978
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,340
foot to allow insulation of signage for a new medical clinic.

979
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:44,580
All right.

980
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,820
Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it, or against it, please raise your

981
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:48,620
right hand.

982
01:09:48,860 --> 01:09:52,020
You swear I affirm that testimony you will give us, sure, an accurate selfie got.

983
01:09:52,340 --> 01:09:52,600
I do.

984
01:09:52,860 --> 01:09:53,420
Thank you.

985
01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:59,900
Scott Elper's Custom Sign 5344 Van Rode, a very difficult situation.

986
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:16,100
When we applied for permits for this property, we were unaware that it's actually two parcels. So, after review by staff, we found that we will need four variants for this property.

987
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:23,240
The signage that we're requesting today is a word that I would call tealary is.

988
01:10:24,980 --> 01:10:31,120
There is a square there, a little heavier area that you can see the property line and then down where he's bringing a cursor correct.

989
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,660
So we're only dealing with those signs currently in that area.

990
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:43,420
The reason why we will need for variances is because the other parcel, which we included in our application originally,

991
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:46,160
is over square footage as well.

992
01:10:46,820 --> 01:10:48,000
They do have a variance,

993
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:51,480
but there are some of those signs were over and height,

994
01:10:51,780 --> 01:10:53,060
so we're going to re-work those,

995
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:55,120
so being say they are getting re-worked.

996
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:56,640
They're going to be over height, it takes re-variance.

997
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,220
The reason why we're going to be back

998
01:10:59,220 --> 01:11:02,100
not next month, but the next month after that,

999
01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:05,560
so two months is because some of the signs have directions

1000
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,680
on them that point to the other property

1001
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,160
and likewise the other property to the other property,

1002
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,280
So those become off-premise sounds.

1003
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:19,980
We are relying on Mr. Morely to come with with some more

1004
01:11:19,980 --> 01:11:22,280
wonderful submittals for that.

1005
01:11:24,420 --> 01:11:26,520
So we're going to be here the next two months.

1006
01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:30,700
But what we're here for today is if you see to the side

1007
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:33,680
there there are numbers, I think you have them in front of you.

1008
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:39,240
We are here for number 35, number 30, number 36, number 43.

1009
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,840
comments your questions.

1010
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,400
What are your several signs here?

1011
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,580
It's needed for ambulance emergency directional signage.

1012
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:51,920
Yeah.

1013
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,540
Enough said, right?

1014
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:55,140
All right.

1015
01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:57,420
Are there any demonstrators about this?

1016
01:11:58,020 --> 01:11:58,700
I see none.

1017
01:11:59,060 --> 01:11:59,700
Is there a motion?

1018
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,020
Some of.

1019
01:12:01,020 --> 01:12:01,240
Second.

1020
01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:02,840
Please call the roll.

1021
01:12:04,020 --> 01:12:04,600
Mr. Schuttler.

1022
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:06,080
Yes.

1023
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:07,940
Miss Kabul?

1024
01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:08,520
Yes.

1025
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:14,280
Ms. Kasha? Yes. Mr. Rudolf? Yes. Mr. Petty.

1026
01:12:14,660 --> 01:12:19,380
I vote yes. And it shows that it's approved with five yes and zero nose. Thank you.

1027
01:12:19,660 --> 01:12:20,380
See you next month.

1028
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:30,260
Next is docking number VAR-26-064 at 1701 North HynoBlock Avenue.

1029
01:12:30,660 --> 01:12:35,060
Petitioner is Jim Town Holdings LLC represented by Morley Corp.

1030
01:12:35,060 --> 01:13:02,920
Applicant request relaxation of the minimum required for air green space from 10 foot to 0 foot along both Maxwell and Morgan Avenue's relaxation of the minimum required side dark green space on a corner lot from 5 foot to 0 foot and relaxation of the minimum required number of parking spaces from 145 to 128 to allow a change of use for a new mixed use development, including 134 apartment units and generic commercial space.

1031
01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:08,020
Okay, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it, or against it, please raise your right hand.

1032
01:13:08,340 --> 01:13:11,220
You swear or affirm the testimony you will give us through an accurate selfie God?

1033
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:11,640
I do.

1034
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,080
Thank you.

1035
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,140
Jim Orley, Jr.

1036
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:15,840
Project Engineer.

1037
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,560
So we are here for two variants this tonight.

1038
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,840
The first will do, if we talk about a parking first.

1039
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:31,080
We require to have 145 spaces, and we have 133 spaces on site.

1040
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:43,820
and but we are creating 20 new parking spaces along Hidalbach, however technically they're in the right of way versus onsite and so we don't get a count in our number.

1041
01:13:45,080 --> 01:14:01,060
But they are spaces that do not exist today, we're creating new spaces and so that would bring us up to 153 which would be eight more than the 145 required and so we're seeking a variance to allow us to do that.

1042
01:14:02,140 --> 01:14:04,920
And all of those, the parking in a hide-al-block,

1043
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,240
and everything that all has been submitted through site review,

1044
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:11,140
gone the city engineer, and all of that stuff that goes with that.

1045
01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:16,440
And then we are also seeking a green space set back.

1046
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,240
This is the, just to make sure, oh man, I forgot to use my cool exhibit.

1047
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,040
This is a bossy field on the left hand side.

1048
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,500
And this is the old Crawford Door Building across the street.

1049
01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:30,220
And so it is getting turned into apartments.

1050
01:14:30,220 --> 01:14:37,900
departments. It's a ready project. And as part of that, the old Crawford door building itself

1051
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:43,120
is in violation of the building setbacks. How dare they, like 150 years ago, violate the

1052
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:48,460
building setbacks? And I believe there currently is a variance for that, but because we're changing

1053
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:54,500
use, we have to reapply into new variants. And so we're seeking for a green space relaxation

1054
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:58,720
and also for this project because this is apartments instead of a warehouse.

1055
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,180
Okay, comments or questions from board members?

1056
01:15:04,220 --> 01:15:12,960
Like, Jim, the six onstreet and the 14 onstreet parking places, is that going to be you're going to create a new lane basically?

1057
01:15:13,540 --> 01:15:26,300
Now, the Heidelbach south of here is only one lane northbound, and then Heidelbach once you get past the park is only one lane with parking off to the side.

1058
01:15:26,300 --> 01:15:32,580
So for like this one block, it's striped as two lanes going north and so we are getting

1059
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:39,520
basically, we are repurposing the outer lane and putting in striping and islands and such

1060
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:45,800
to designate that as nobody's actually striped stalls and we work through all that with the

1061
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:55,100
city engineer's office and so it on Joel's map there you would see south of us as cars go north

1062
01:15:56,300 --> 01:16:01,060
there, it's only one lane, and then you cross the railroad tracks, and voila, you have two lanes,

1063
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:08,540
and then you go back to one lane. Okay. There's an alley that is stone now that runs east and

1064
01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:14,220
west on the south end of the building, or you're going to do anything with that. No, that is,

1065
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:19,680
that is a little bit of what the surveyors of the world would call a no-man's land. That is a

1066
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:28,360
a little bit between not knowing if that's city right of way or railroad right of way, but we are

1067
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:35,160
not using it, it's not, it's either railroad or city street right of way, but we're not using it

1068
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:39,800
and so it's not part of our project and so we're leaving it as it's.

1069
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:40,840
Yeah.

1070
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:41,460
We'll be affected.

1071
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:42,720
No, won't be affected.

1072
01:16:43,460 --> 01:16:47,900
That part of Morgan there, it's an exciting area to do a survey of.

1073
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:53,900
Okay, are there any remonstrators about this?

1074
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:57,100
I see none, is there a motion?

1075
01:16:58,880 --> 01:16:58,900
Sure.

1076
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:05,640
What kind of commercial businesses do you see putting in there?

1077
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:09,260
Something that would be beneficial for the community,

1078
01:17:11,580 --> 01:17:15,060
not like something that people from the east side are driving to come to or something like that.

1079
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:18,120
just a smaller commercial space that something that would be

1080
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,640
benefit to the local people around there?

1081
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,420
Could you be a little more vague?

1082
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:24,620
I don't know.

1083
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,400
The barber shop?

1084
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:26,740
barber shop?

1085
01:17:27,020 --> 01:17:27,560
Coffee shop?

1086
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:28,240
Coffee shop?

1087
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:28,800
Something like that.

1088
01:17:29,300 --> 01:17:33,280
Not something that, like, has a bunch of people driving in to come to it,

1089
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,780
just more of a local service.

1090
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:35,920
And no e-siders?

1091
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:38,560
Yeah, we're definitely not letting the siders in.

1092
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,660
There's actually a real signpost and no e-siders.

1093
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:42,600
Not allowed.

1094
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:43,660
All right.

1095
01:17:43,660 --> 01:17:48,060
So is there a motion to approve this?

1096
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:49,580
Yeah.

1097
01:17:50,420 --> 01:17:50,900
No.

1098
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:55,240
One application with three, two or three parts, I guess.

1099
01:17:56,220 --> 01:17:57,340
Motion to approve.

1100
01:17:58,520 --> 01:17:59,560
Please call the roll.

1101
01:18:02,870 --> 01:18:03,390
Miss Cable?

1102
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:05,090
Miss Kasha?

1103
01:18:06,630 --> 01:18:07,130
Mr. Rudolph?

1104
01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:07,830
Yes.

1105
01:18:08,210 --> 01:18:08,870
Mr. Schettler?

1106
01:18:09,490 --> 01:18:09,750
Yes.

1107
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:10,510
Mr. Petky.

1108
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:13,530
I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero noes.

1109
01:18:13,670 --> 01:18:14,950
Thank you all for saying thank you.

1110
01:18:16,900 --> 01:18:23,500
Next is talking number VAR-2026-065 at 7201 Holly Drive.

1111
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:29,180
Petitioner is Margaret and Shaddock represented by our Lehman and Sun Consulting.

1112
01:18:29,420 --> 01:18:33,720
Applicant request relaxation of the minimum required road furniture for a residential

1113
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:39,680
lot from 20 foot to 0 foot to allow a personalization creating a new lot with no

1114
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:45,600
furniture on a public roadway and permit construction of another single family residence on the new

1115
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:52,060
All right, well everybody who's here to speak on this petition for it or against it please raise your right hand

1116
01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:57,680
You swear firm the testimony will give us true an accurate selfie God. Thank you

1117
01:19:00,380 --> 01:19:04,240
Barbershop with no e-siders and maybe the only barber shop. I go to

1118
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,340
How's it Joe?

1119
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:09,500
Come by right show up here. So it's a joke anyway

1120
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:15,200
Matt Lane, I'm a official now Matt Lane, but our name is unconsolptained

1121
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:30,540
I'm actually jumping in on this for Donnie Grease with these Lee LLC who had been working with this, he's out in Colorado right now hunting elk, so hopefully he will get one so I can get some of that meat.

1122
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,340
But we are here to seek this variance.

1123
01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:43,660
The client, Miss Peggy, has a disabled son, who is 35, that she is the caregiver for.

1124
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:49,220
They bought the existing structure, the existing house back there.

1125
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:55,780
It has heard her disabled son and then her other son and his family.

1126
01:19:55,980 --> 01:19:59,980
So they are proposing to build a new house for her.

1127
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:10,280
Per, and her disabled son to live in. We need this various to be approved so that the parcelization can take place. Two separate parcels, she will own them both.

1128
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:24,140
They knew septic system, much larger than what is there now, will be installed to handle both of the existing septic systems in very poor condition.

1129
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:30,240
So, a new septic system is going in regardless if this is approved or not. Obviously, we hope it's approved.

1130
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:37,260
But this will, that septic system will house the existing house as well as this proposed.

1131
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,020
I don't think there's anything else.

1132
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,540
I don't think so. I'll be glad to entertain any questions.

1133
01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:53,840
So, where can you point on this one, or maybe one of the other ones, where the parcelization will occur?

1134
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,360
Yeah, the parcelization is actually highlighted there.

1135
01:20:58,420 --> 01:20:59,140
Right there.

1136
01:20:59,660 --> 01:20:59,880
Okay.

1137
01:21:00,740 --> 01:21:04,160
You can see the existing home on the right.

1138
01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:06,460
Ah, okay.

1139
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:07,860
So this is the front engine.

1140
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,680
There's no front edge on the road.

1141
01:21:10,820 --> 01:21:11,140
Gotcha.

1142
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,240
So this is a drive.

1143
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:15,720
Probably is a drive.

1144
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:17,240
Gotcha.

1145
01:21:17,540 --> 01:21:18,400
Thank you.

1146
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,600
And they are put in an easement in that will allow access.

1147
01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:26,360
There's no plans to sell either one of these parcels, but should that happen way down the road,

1148
01:21:26,860 --> 01:21:31,140
that will be an easement in place on the subject for the septic system.

1149
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:38,800
But again, the plan, the whole purpose of this is to have her, like said, her disabled son, to have a place.

1150
01:21:39,460 --> 01:21:46,420
He can't live on his own, but this is basically the next closest thing, to where big brothers right there next to him,

1151
01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:49,180
and whatever she gets too old to take care of him.

1152
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:50,320
This is really a good situation.

1153
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:54,820
So, I'm sorry.

1154
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:55,460
I'm sorry.

1155
01:21:55,460 --> 01:21:56,920
I have a call for a monster in your chat.

1156
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,520
I don't mean to jump in, but the parcel is ace,

1157
01:21:59,740 --> 01:22:01,520
and so she can build the proposal.

1158
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:02,800
Yes.

1159
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:03,780
Right.

1160
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:05,740
OK.

1161
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,460
Were there any other questions?

1162
01:22:10,260 --> 01:22:12,060
Are there any of our administrators about this one?

1163
01:22:12,740 --> 01:22:12,980
OK.

1164
01:22:13,220 --> 01:22:14,200
Matt, once you have a seat,

1165
01:22:14,460 --> 01:22:16,600
once you come up to the podium, please.

1166
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:18,260
Thank you for being here.

1167
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:21,320
Tell us your name and your address first.

1168
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,300
My name is Cynthia McLean a hand and I reside at 7200

1169
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:26,160
Holy Drive.

1170
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,380
I am the neighbor of this.

1171
01:22:28,380 --> 01:22:28,400
Okay.

1172
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:29,560
Pretty good.

1173
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,080
I got some picture because I think it's

1174
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,120
Painter to see.

1175
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,860
But 26 years ago we built this road.

1176
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,100
There was a house there which then

1177
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:39,480
Chatex now owned.

1178
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:41,440
It was an order gentleman that lived there.

1179
01:22:41,860 --> 01:22:44,120
And he just had like a dirt road to his house.

1180
01:22:44,140 --> 01:22:46,500
So when we built our home, which is next to it,

1181
01:22:46,780 --> 01:22:49,300
we put in about $12,000 to build this road.

1182
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:53,660
And it takes about $1,000 every other year to maintain it.

1183
01:22:53,980 --> 01:22:56,600
Since moving there in 2000, that's when we build.

1184
01:22:57,420 --> 01:23:00,000
We have to have two separate septic systems

1185
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,520
because of the clay soil and the poor drainage on this land.

1186
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:07,980
The exact spot that the new neighbors want to build a field bed

1187
01:23:07,980 --> 01:23:11,840
is right where we have numerous problems with standing water.

1188
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,160
It is a road.

1189
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,880
And you'll see on the pictures how we go this way, they go that way.

1190
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:23,420
Right. The water department has been out there so many times to tell us it's not a water leak.

1191
01:23:23,420 --> 01:23:30,280
It's a water problem. So we dug a ditch underneath the road and we are driving where we turn into our driveway to release

1192
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:35,920
some of that and went down between our properties with a lot of rock and a deep valley to take it away.

1193
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:43,260
It doesn't help. When it rains it's flooded there and again I have pictures of exactly what that looks like because it doesn't really look like that.

1194
01:23:43,260 --> 01:23:48,040
I was told by many realtors and contractors that you have to have two and a half acres.

1195
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:50,000
That lot is very small.

1196
01:23:50,620 --> 01:23:55,380
Our home is 2100 square foot and if that's what they're building on that with the field bed,

1197
01:23:56,020 --> 01:23:58,820
it's impossible without that road to flooding.

1198
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:04,300
The additional traffic on our two lane driveway, which we've spent most of the money on,

1199
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,340
the construction of the new home they want to build,

1200
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,480
the damage to the driveway, and more water problems,

1201
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:13,740
or just a few to name the problems we'll have in the future.

1202
01:24:14,980 --> 01:24:17,560
Since the bed is to be dealt with right next to the drive,

1203
01:24:17,700 --> 01:24:21,020
how can we guarantee that this will not cause more

1204
01:24:21,020 --> 01:24:22,300
drainage damage in the future?

1205
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:26,060
Tids are a spot on that property before two of the people.

1206
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,780
This is a third person's system of density bill.

1207
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,560
And he gave his permission to add on to the waterline there.

1208
01:24:32,940 --> 01:24:33,960
So we share the waterline.

1209
01:24:34,020 --> 01:24:37,420
So that's one more house that we'll share the waterline.

1210
01:24:38,860 --> 01:24:46,120
And the new neighbors also, and he did not mention this, had sewage back up in their main home two weeks ago.

1211
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:50,120
All of the stuff that they constructed is still in the driveway.

1212
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:55,560
And I know they're trying to rebuild it, but why would they want to build a house?

1213
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,960
And a field bed on top, their house is down here, it's up.

1214
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,160
So the field bed is here, the new house over here, the driveway here in their house is here. And we're next to work kind of above them. And I guess the biggest problem is, you know, we live in close quarters there.

1215
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,940
What's the last thing you said I'm sorry?

1216
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,080
We live in very close quarters and it's a beautiful area.

1217
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:21,520
Yeah, there's.

1218
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,460
Most definitely it will affect the value of our home.

1219
01:25:31,170 --> 01:25:33,310
Not in front, not to interrupt.

1220
01:25:33,810 --> 01:25:37,690
Just looking at this current map, are you the house that's south right here now?

1221
01:25:38,270 --> 01:25:38,690
Right there?

1222
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:39,350
That's your home?

1223
01:25:40,110 --> 01:25:40,570
Okay, thank you.

1224
01:25:40,750 --> 01:25:44,190
In that intersection, you can see, and I got pictures of where we drive out of our driveway.

1225
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:46,190
Mr. Wright is here.

1226
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:48,150
He's the neighbor in front of this.

1227
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:51,130
So he doesn't have an effect with the water problem.

1228
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:54,430
But it's driving our, that's our derived way.

1229
01:25:54,630 --> 01:25:57,970
That's not our, it's Hollywood Drive, but it's a driveway that we built there.

1230
01:25:57,970 --> 01:26:06,070
So I'm sorry that it has to be this way we've, you know, we've tried, I mean, they're wonderful people and we've been friends since the beginning.

1231
01:26:06,770 --> 01:26:10,870
But how did they expect us to give up the value of our home to supply them what they want?

1232
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:13,150
They should have checked this out before they bought the property.

1233
01:26:13,950 --> 01:26:15,030
We've been there 26 years.

1234
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:21,470
I beg of you to take this in control and take control that this is not happened.

1235
01:26:21,570 --> 01:26:23,970
We will have to move this happens. There's just no way.

1236
01:26:23,970 --> 01:26:27,130
And we'll be able to sell with that kind of damage.

1237
01:26:27,530 --> 01:26:31,510
We'll tell the people that, you know, this glides all the time, but, you know, we've got to deal with it.

1238
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:32,510
Would you like to see pictures?

1239
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:33,970
Anybody?

1240
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:39,690
You're welcome to show us pictures, but I think in my right, she doesn't get a back once a record.

1241
01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:42,470
You know, they have to stay in the file.

1242
01:26:43,150 --> 01:26:44,050
Ms. McLean, do you understand?

1243
01:26:44,250 --> 01:26:45,210
Oh, yeah, okay.

1244
01:26:47,150 --> 01:26:48,350
Okay. Yeah.

1245
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:05,720
Do you have any questions?

1246
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,840
So these pictures aren't showing flood conditions.

1247
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:13,840
You're not sure if we're at the floor or is it still dry now right now everything there's a water anywhere

1248
01:27:21,480 --> 01:27:23,400
Are there any questions from Mr. Klein?

1249
01:27:24,180 --> 01:27:25,440
So Holly drive is

1250
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:27,200
Really

1251
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,700
Okay, so it's a recognized by the county as a as a road or a lane

1252
01:27:33,700 --> 01:27:41,940
It has not been accepted for maintenance by the county and it shows up on the map. Okay. We do all the maintenance on it

1253
01:27:41,940 --> 01:27:44,760
and our neighbors share it, and they helped us rock it.

1254
01:27:44,980 --> 01:27:48,100
This is here we would put down like 500 each to rock it.

1255
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:50,980
It's going to be destroyed if they try to build something there.

1256
01:27:51,220 --> 01:27:55,680
I don't understand the disability thing that they're talking about,

1257
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:58,580
that this is, if we just put a building somewhere,

1258
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:01,120
and I feel that somewhere, it's going to accommodate,

1259
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,980
we were there 26 years without any problems.

1260
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:09,660
That's not true, there's a lot of problems that I mean dealing with,

1261
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:10,380
problems.

1262
01:28:12,060 --> 01:28:14,540
And I guess technically who owns Holly Drive?

1263
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:15,860
We do.

1264
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:16,440
You're.

1265
01:28:16,780 --> 01:28:18,540
And the Shattacks, you know, we share it together.

1266
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:19,980
But we built the road basically.

1267
01:28:21,460 --> 01:28:21,620
Okay.

1268
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:25,620
So if you see on the map, there's a green line going on the middle basically.

1269
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,260
So they split ownership.

1270
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:35,300
I'm not even sure exactly what you know.

1271
01:28:35,860 --> 01:28:39,920
Then wanting to dig onto the driveway to put that there.

1272
01:28:40,440 --> 01:28:42,600
I don't understand that map.

1273
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:46,160
This is this property lines, is what they're showing.

1274
01:28:47,580 --> 01:28:50,920
That's a parcelization showing the parcel lines,

1275
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:54,220
and what they want to change to make a new lot.

1276
01:28:56,060 --> 01:28:56,140
Okay.

1277
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,800
You can see how small it is. It's not that big.

1278
01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:02,380
And we're going to just a two and a half acres come in at that.

1279
01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:04,980
When you're talking about a field bed.

1280
01:29:05,780 --> 01:29:06,940
Well, that used to be the standard.

1281
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:08,140
I don't know if it still is.

1282
01:29:08,140 --> 01:29:09,820
I have it right here on me.

1283
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:10,520
Yeah, okay.

1284
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,860
Well, I mean, that's a lot is to an epic.

1285
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,320
And the water is to see the top, right?

1286
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:15,600
Yeah.

1287
01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:16,640
2.5.

1288
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:17,820
Right.

1289
01:29:18,260 --> 01:29:20,260
And the other one has to be 2.5.

1290
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:22,300
2.5 through a partialization.

1291
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,340
So both are over 2.5.

1292
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:27,140
Where they're wanting to build that is 2.5?

1293
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:29,920
They can't make a whole property to three acres,

1294
01:29:30,060 --> 01:29:31,700
and it goes back to the woods forever.

1295
01:29:32,620 --> 01:29:34,600
Where they're wanting to build it is a very small area.

1296
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,620
That is what the surveyer is showing on the drawing.

1297
01:29:37,620 --> 01:29:40,580
They're showing two and a half air and both air on both sides.

1298
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:47,300
So the actual parcelization includes some of the back of the property, the wooded area.

1299
01:29:47,780 --> 01:29:49,600
It's not just that little front area.

1300
01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:54,000
They drew the line so that it goes all the way to the back to make it 2.5.

1301
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,940
Okay, so that area is not 2.5.

1302
01:29:56,140 --> 01:29:57,400
They want to want to build the...

1303
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:58,520
Now we're the putting the house.

1304
01:29:58,820 --> 01:29:59,600
Not the front area now.

1305
01:30:20,940 --> 01:30:21,260
Okay.

1306
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,980
You made some good points. Is there anything else you would like us to know? Thank you for sending me a question.

1307
01:30:29,980 --> 01:30:33,760
I'm sorry. Thank you for being here. And then did you want to speak to this also?

1308
01:30:36,900 --> 01:30:41,200
If you do, you have to come up. And if you come on up, you have to start with your name.

1309
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:46,160
Did you already raise your right hand when I had it? Okay. Do you swear or affirm the testimony we

1310
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,660
give us to an advocate so help you got? Yes. Thank you. Tell us your name. Tell us your address.

1311
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:56,900
First of all, I love your 20 shouldy road. So we're right in front. They are really great people.

1312
01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:01,620
So I really like to, I, you know, whenever they talk to me, they originally were buying the

1313
01:31:01,620 --> 01:31:04,860
place to, and there's a pole barn, I think that's where they were playing on building,

1314
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,060
and things that didn't work out there, so they kind of walked me through it while I hadn't.

1315
01:31:09,860 --> 01:31:13,680
Well, I guess my concern is around the other side of our prime show, you say, I guess that's where

1316
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:18,020
they're going to put in a modular home. My concern is because we're getting ready to hopefully

1317
01:31:18,020 --> 01:31:23,180
upgrade our. And I'm not safer, you know, I mean, I like right now, I think it's our

1318
01:31:23,180 --> 01:31:26,260
you waste your hands around 525,000.

1319
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:32,780
I don't, it's not going to affect the flooding for me, so really for us, and they're great,

1320
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,220
but if we're to bait on actually in the next couple of years down our house, and we're going

1321
01:31:37,220 --> 01:31:38,580
to do upgrades or not.

1322
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:43,580
So I mean, I guess there's going to be a probably, you know, if we did that, making around

1323
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:47,800
6 or 7,000, there's probably going to be some people that aren't going to want right on

1324
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:48,800
the other side of the module.

1325
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:53,840
might affect them, but I don't know this format really, it all

1326
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,940
pretty quick, I got a letter. Right, right. So for us, mine's just a property

1327
01:31:57,940 --> 01:32:03,700
valuation. Yeah. So I don't know if that even matters. Any questions from board?

1328
01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:08,280
Thank you guys for being here. All right, was there anybody else? I didn't

1329
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,940
think so, Matt, if you want to come back.

1330
01:32:17,660 --> 01:32:18,980
It's some regarding the

1331
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:28,000
regarding the septic system, the field bed is going to go on the site plan, like said,

1332
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:32,680
regardless of this happens or not, I think that was the, and again, I didn't design this.

1333
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:38,160
I'm here representing the surveyer in the donor, but that's what a field bed would go.

1334
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,160
That field bed will have to be installed to code.

1335
01:32:40,340 --> 01:32:46,620
So it can't be installed to cause issue or harm to not only this property, but to neighboring property,

1336
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:47,180
either.

1337
01:32:49,780 --> 01:32:55,760
And I'm personally not aware with the driveway flooding issue that would be frustrating for sure.

1338
01:32:56,520 --> 01:33:02,080
I would hope that during this process that would now come either time to address that.

1339
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:10,500
Since you have a surveyor working with this and there's different elevations of what not that have been taken.

1340
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:15,560
Definitely be the time to address some funny issues because I'm sure if it's affecting then I'm it's affecting

1341
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,580
You know the owner that I'm representing as well, so

1342
01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:22,840
That's definitely something to be brought up for discussion

1343
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,400
Can you have that discussion then come back to us?

1344
01:33:28,700 --> 01:33:28,820
I mean

1345
01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:35,160
Yeah, and if Mr. Easley could be here too. I because I I would I do have some questions

1346
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:39,900
You know like I guess I'm having a hard time graphing this if you weren't gonna

1347
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:42,200
make this too lots.

1348
01:33:43,260 --> 01:33:50,460
What is it fair to say that the land that they're now is almost five acres or more?

1349
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:52,620
It's about, yeah, I think it's a little over five.

1350
01:33:58,780 --> 01:34:04,880
Oh, I say, but the field, but the field bed for the septic is where it is because

1351
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,560
it's going to go there, that was the, that was the best spot for it to go.

1352
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,440
And I'm not, I'm sure sure why, that's just what I was told.

1353
01:34:12,440 --> 01:34:15,200
But the people who have proximity to the houses or

1354
01:34:16,500 --> 01:34:17,020
Correct

1355
01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:18,160
Yeah, they

1356
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:27,300
Could be a lot of it is simply for the house back here old one yeah, I'm putting yeah, so that's where the old one ones

1357
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:29,800
Yeah, they'll be a old one and a new one

1358
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:35,360
Yeah, the old one is very inadequate as the neighbor mentioned there

1359
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:41,400
It's old I mean the house is old to it's an old system so they're putting a new system in regardless

1360
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:46,520
So the new system will support both homes?

1361
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:47,560
Yes.

1362
01:34:52,970 --> 01:34:53,810
I'm with Becky.

1363
01:34:54,030 --> 01:34:59,950
I have some additional questions because I would want to know, you know, I know we're seeing that that's the best proposed site.

1364
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,760
I know you're pinched for that, but I know that someone mentioned that previously was going to go back by the poll barn and back that way.

1365
01:35:08,260 --> 01:35:18,360
So even if movement back further could benefit or cause less damage in harm to the neighbors, those are questions that I would want to see or have answered.

1366
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:18,920
Sure.

1367
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:24,560
Would you be okay if this gets continued until you've got this discussed out?

1368
01:35:25,100 --> 01:35:33,360
We could have, because I know the owner teaches, I believe college courses and she's in Ohio right now, that's what she's not here.

1369
01:35:35,740 --> 01:35:37,400
But Donnie shouldn't be in Colorado next month.

1370
01:35:38,180 --> 01:35:38,560
Okay.

1371
01:35:39,220 --> 01:35:45,220
Yeah, I feel better if we have a professional, come in and answer these questions and maybe even address why there's flooding.

1372
01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:50,640
And if this would indeed increase the flooding or reduce it, yeah, I don't want to.

1373
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:51,280
Yeah, I mean.

1374
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:55,340
And I'll share my contact info with the neighbors too this evening.

1375
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:56,380
Sit up a meeting.

1376
01:35:56,580 --> 01:35:57,720
That would be a good one.

1377
01:35:58,220 --> 01:35:58,560
Yep.

1378
01:36:07,260 --> 01:36:09,860
If you get in front of the mic so we can record you.

1379
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:14,080
No one puts a field bed above their house in front of their house.

1380
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:18,440
A field bed goes below a house or has to have to range away from the house.

1381
01:36:18,440 --> 01:36:25,500
their house level is a way down below their rotors right there and they climb up the hill.

1382
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:26,960
That's what they're wanting to put the field in.

1383
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:28,520
How does that work?

1384
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:29,960
It's going to all flow downhill.

1385
01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:32,160
They can't have that.

1386
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,760
Well, we want that worked out so that when it comes back, hopefully it's resolved.

1387
01:36:36,260 --> 01:36:42,020
So is there a motion to continue this item and wave the fees?

1388
01:36:42,340 --> 01:36:45,940
Motion to continue and wave the fees until next meeting.

1389
01:36:45,940 --> 01:36:49,840
Second. Please call the roll.

1390
01:36:50,300 --> 01:36:53,960
Ms. Koshah. Yes. Mr. Rudolf. Yes.

1391
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:55,880
Mr. Schetler. Yes.

1392
01:36:56,020 --> 01:36:58,240
Ms. Campbell. Yes. Mr. Petky.

1393
01:36:58,580 --> 01:37:00,400
I vote yes. And sure that's.

1394
01:37:00,440 --> 01:37:01,940
Thank you. See you next month. Pass 5-0.

1395
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:02,560
Thanks, man.

1396
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:10,210
Okay. Next we have talking number VAR-26-06-1411.

1397
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:11,710
All of Street.

1398
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:15,770
Petitioner is John Martin, represented by Ryan Sermersheim.

1399
01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:37,950
Applicant requests relaxation of the maximum allow lock coverage from 40% to 42% and relaxation of the zoning code to allow an accessory structure to be larger and square footage than the main structure the residents to allow construction of a new 864 square foot detached garage exceeding the size of the residents by 50 square foot.

1400
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:41,130
All right, well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for it

1401
01:37:41,130 --> 01:37:42,950
against, please raise your right hand.

1402
01:37:43,010 --> 01:37:45,450
Do you swear or affirm the testimony you will give us true and accurate?

1403
01:37:45,730 --> 01:37:46,250
So, I hope you've got.

1404
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:47,910
Thank you.

1405
01:37:48,350 --> 01:37:53,450
So, right in service, I am 815 Hartford Court, Evansville, Indiana, 47710.

1406
01:37:54,350 --> 01:37:56,270
So, a long story short, I work a hinder lighter.

1407
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:58,830
John Martin is one of our field carpenters.

1408
01:37:58,910 --> 01:38:02,530
He's the kind of carpenter that you can pass a sketch and he's got it.

1409
01:38:02,530 --> 01:38:03,450
He takes it from there.

1410
01:38:03,450 --> 01:38:07,630
So he came to me and had this detached garage all planned

1411
01:38:07,630 --> 01:38:09,010
out to say, hey, can you help me get permit?

1412
01:38:09,490 --> 01:38:09,570
Sure.

1413
01:38:10,030 --> 01:38:12,410
We got to look in and, oh, it's a her two big.

1414
01:38:13,690 --> 01:38:16,590
And so here we are to build what he had

1415
01:38:16,590 --> 01:38:20,910
planned out would require variance, basically.

1416
01:38:21,470 --> 01:38:23,850
It's 50 square foot bigger than his house.

1417
01:38:25,770 --> 01:38:27,710
So, and then the other one as well.

1418
01:38:27,790 --> 01:38:28,570
Pretty self-explanatory.

1419
01:38:28,770 --> 01:38:30,150
Any questions from board members?

1420
01:38:30,910 --> 01:38:33,810
Are there any remonstrators about this?

1421
01:38:34,250 --> 01:38:34,790
I see none.

1422
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:35,650
Is there a motion?

1423
01:38:38,420 --> 01:38:38,920
Don't move.

1424
01:38:39,340 --> 01:38:39,720
I'll second it.

1425
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:41,160
Please call the roll.

1426
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:43,020
Mr. Rudolph.

1427
01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:45,040
Mr. Schetler.

1428
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:46,740
Ms. Campbell.

1429
01:38:47,980 --> 01:38:48,260
Yes.

1430
01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:49,040
Ms. Kasha?

1431
01:38:50,260 --> 01:38:50,920
Mr. Pettyki.

1432
01:38:51,100 --> 01:38:52,660
I vote yes and show it's approved with five.

1433
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:53,140
Yes, sir.

1434
01:38:53,340 --> 01:38:53,760
Thank you.

1435
01:38:56,820 --> 01:38:59,200
This is that we have for variances.

1436
01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:03,420
This is docked number VAR-26-068.

1437
01:39:03,420 --> 01:39:08,040
at 6126124 and 6128 Weaver Road.

1438
01:39:08,420 --> 01:39:11,240
Petitioner is Michael and Lisa Barker,

1439
01:39:11,380 --> 01:39:13,400
represented by Kiesel Wagner Survey,

1440
01:39:13,780 --> 01:39:17,020
applicant request relaxation of the minimum required

1441
01:39:17,020 --> 01:39:19,720
for our setback from 25 foot to 1 foot

1442
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:24,660
to permit construction of a new 3,481 square foot

1443
01:39:24,660 --> 01:39:27,140
27 foot tall single family residents.

1444
01:39:28,500 --> 01:39:30,660
All right, well everyone who's here to speak on this petition forward

1445
01:39:30,660 --> 01:39:32,420
or against it, please raise your right hand.

1446
01:39:32,420 --> 01:39:35,820
Do you swear or affirm the testimony we'll give us true and accurate self-aggressive?

1447
01:39:35,820 --> 01:39:36,220
Yes.

1448
01:39:36,660 --> 01:39:37,860
Thank you.

1449
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,120
The name is an address, please.

1450
01:39:39,220 --> 01:39:40,360
Mike Barker.

1451
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:45,300
6100 Weaver Road, Evansville, Indiana 47711.

1452
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:50,420
Lisa Barker, 6100 Weaver Road, Evansville, Indiana 477111.

1453
01:39:51,480 --> 01:39:55,120
Chris Collins, 5733 Shadow Creek, Lion Newark, Indiana.

1454
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:56,360
Thanks, you guys.

1455
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:57,040
so

1456
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,820
Just pushing it to the front of the law, right?

1457
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,120
Okay. Any questions or comments?

1458
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,340
Are there any reminders about this?

1459
01:40:13,460 --> 01:40:15,360
I see none. Is there a motion to approve?

1460
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,180
To move.

1461
01:40:18,380 --> 01:40:19,920
I'll second it. Please call the roll.

1462
01:40:22,420 --> 01:40:22,960
Mr. Shethler?

1463
01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:24,520
Yes.

1464
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:27,140
Ms. Campbell? Yes.

1465
01:40:27,860 --> 01:40:28,940
Ms. Kasha? Yes.

1466
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,160
Mr. Rudolph? Yes.

1467
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:31,620
Yes.

1468
01:40:31,620 --> 01:40:35,640
I vote yes and show it's approved with five yes and zero nose. Good luck you guys

1469
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,000
Thank you

1470
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:38,860
Okay

1471
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,480
Well, do we need a biobrake for about

1472
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:44,580
How many minutes?

1473
01:40:45,620 --> 01:40:46,580
Five minutes

1474
01:40:47,220 --> 01:40:52,100
Okay, we're gonna break for five minutes. Please be back here in four and a half

1475
01:40:55,140 --> 01:40:55,620
Yeah

1476
01:41:30,810 --> 01:41:38,530
there. You know, Mark, Mark would pass away something in the early 90s. I was born in the

1477
01:41:38,530 --> 01:41:42,790
90s. So, I worked for great supply companies.

1478
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:56,030
So, actually, I worked for great supply companies.

1479
01:41:56,030 --> 01:42:04,450
and stop looking at it and it was small and small paper in my flight.

1480
01:42:04,450 --> 01:42:07,150
Where did you find that pad?

1481
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:13,550
I assume you were discussing today's schnucks coupons.

1482
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:17,650
It's okay.

1483
01:42:27,130 --> 01:42:32,790
So, Cassie has already read it in, so we're able to, like, risk it back, skip reread.

1484
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:42,050
We need to take 20 seconds. But yeah, we'll just turn it over to read. Yeah, that's fine.

1485
01:42:48,210 --> 01:42:51,010
Thank you.

1486
01:42:51,010 --> 01:42:52,510
All right.

1487
01:42:52,710 --> 01:42:56,490
All right.

1488
01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:59,430
Thank you.

1489
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:15,260
It's a slide.

1490
01:43:15,260 --> 01:43:18,980
If you don't mind me asking how many times have you uh,

1491
01:43:18,980 --> 01:43:23,120
I mean, I don't think I'm going to get back to the rest of the day.

1492
01:43:26,340 --> 01:43:26,340
What is

1493
01:43:34,210 --> 01:43:35,650
this?

1494
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:43,420
I like this.

1495
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:45,100
Oh, okay.

1496
01:43:45,700 --> 01:43:46,920
I like this.

1497
01:43:48,980 --> 01:43:50,860
And then I left this all around.

1498
01:43:51,540 --> 01:43:51,940
Oh, no.

1499
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:56,820
Yeah, I thought I wasn't supposed to wear a white outfit like that.

1500
01:44:51,060 --> 01:45:00,940
Okay, so I would hereby call back to order the Board of Zoning meeting and I will

1501
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,940
Let's start with Council swearing in all those who wish to speak.

1502
01:45:03,620 --> 01:45:08,000
Okay, so we're just back to SPU, that is 2026-007.

1503
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:14,180
Well, everyone who's here to speak on this petition for, please raise your right hand.

1504
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:15,640
Do you swear or affirm?

1505
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,660
Do you guys can separate a little bit so I can see what behind you.

1506
01:45:20,060 --> 01:45:22,920
Do you swear or affirm the testimony will give us true and accurate selfie God?

1507
01:45:25,020 --> 01:45:25,860
Thank you.

1508
01:45:25,860 --> 01:45:30,960
Reach met, Denton's being a green bomb, one main street, sweet 600.

1509
01:45:33,670 --> 01:45:36,570
Good afternoon, President Petke and members of the board.

1510
01:45:37,330 --> 01:45:46,270
Rachel Connor and I represent our WE, the third largest renewable energy company in the United States with offices in Chicago and Austin.

1511
01:45:47,770 --> 01:45:51,750
Our application for special use is under special use number 15.

1512
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:57,010
electric power or steam power generating plants and other uses.

1513
01:45:58,730 --> 01:46:01,530
I will address the six findings of fact,

1514
01:46:01,790 --> 01:46:07,570
substantiating the special use number 15 and Jason Winnick with RWE

1515
01:46:07,570 --> 01:46:12,790
shop present the project and discuss the technologies involved.

1516
01:46:14,150 --> 01:46:16,830
Finding a fact number one.

1517
01:46:16,830 --> 01:46:22,090
The Elliott Best Site is an appropriate location for its use.

1518
01:46:23,250 --> 01:46:31,630
Our ordinance designates a agricultural zoned land as appropriate for a battery energy storage system.

1519
01:46:34,210 --> 01:46:40,630
Elliott Best is cited on approximately 40 acres of land in northeast Vancouver County.

1520
01:46:41,010 --> 01:46:42,630
It's agricultural zoned.

1521
01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:50,350
The site is bounded by I-69 on the west, and the Elliott Substation on the southwest.

1522
01:46:51,450 --> 01:46:56,790
This site aligns with rural preservation goals in the comprehensive plan by avoiding

1523
01:46:56,790 --> 01:47:02,250
high yield farming and supporting low impact development.

1524
01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:08,990
Finding number two, Elliott Vest will not adversely affect the surrounding area.

1525
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:15,070
The Elliott Beside is intended to be a low-impact development.

1526
01:47:15,850 --> 01:47:22,970
Elliott Bes has no water or wastewater needs for operation, other than for potable water and

1527
01:47:22,970 --> 01:47:27,130
restroom use for the operations and maintenance building.

1528
01:47:28,670 --> 01:47:32,710
Elliott Bes' operation does not generate air or water pollutants.

1529
01:47:32,710 --> 01:47:40,070
It's designed will prevent soil erosion and will enhance water retention on the site.

1530
01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:47,370
It uses existing vegetation for screening to minimize neighbor and traffic views.

1531
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:53,230
Elliott Bess will not use the existing pond for runoff control.

1532
01:47:54,090 --> 01:47:58,810
By design, no wetlands or water bodies will be affected.

1533
01:47:58,810 --> 01:48:05,310
In short, the use as developed will not adversely affect the surrounding areas.

1534
01:48:06,550 --> 01:48:14,470
Finding number three, there will be no nuisance or serious hazard to vehicles, pedestrians

1535
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:16,090
or to residents.

1536
01:48:17,550 --> 01:48:23,690
The site will gain access from baseline road and will be designed to maximize residential

1537
01:48:23,690 --> 01:48:24,750
setbacks.

1538
01:48:24,750 --> 01:48:30,410
The location along I-69 provides natural masking.

1539
01:48:31,710 --> 01:48:39,070
Any noise from the project during operations at non-participating residences will be well

1540
01:48:39,070 --> 01:48:40,730
within safe zones.

1541
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:48,430
A future roadway use agreement with the county ensures that any local roads damage during

1542
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:50,370
construction shall be restored.

1543
01:48:51,730 --> 01:48:56,570
RWA will provide safety measures to be utilized for the project.

1544
01:48:57,370 --> 01:49:04,190
These measures include safety equipment that is installed directly in the project containers,

1545
01:49:05,130 --> 01:49:11,530
safety equipment installed to monitor site security and temperatures, and pre-establish

1546
01:49:11,530 --> 01:49:17,810
protocols such as in the emergency shutdown procedures and the emergency response plan with

1547
01:49:17,810 --> 01:49:19,750
and the band of the county fire department.

1548
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:24,130
Elliott Bess will comply with all federal, state,

1549
01:49:24,290 --> 01:49:26,690
and local fire and safety codes.

1550
01:49:27,970 --> 01:49:30,450
Elliott Bess will not have any hazards,

1551
01:49:30,630 --> 01:49:34,550
any hazardous byproducts under normal operations.

1552
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:37,490
These are the same safety conditions

1553
01:49:38,330 --> 01:49:42,290
and response plans, which are reviewed and approved

1554
01:49:42,290 --> 01:49:44,990
by the State Department of Homeland Security,

1555
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:53,790
when RWE files its best permit to construct and its best permit to operate applications.

1556
01:49:55,210 --> 01:49:59,970
The project is located near the Scott Township Fire Department and EEMS.

1557
01:50:01,340 --> 01:50:13,740
Eliant best shot coordinate with the Vanderbilt County Fire Department to develop an emergency protocol plan. The decommissioning plan agreement with Vanderbilt County requires

1558
01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:24,320
Elliott Best to post financial security and to restore the land after its project use and after the facilities have been safely removed.

1559
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:33,360
Number four, adequate and appropriate facilities will be provided for proper operation of its use.

1560
01:50:34,300 --> 01:50:41,440
Elliott Bess intends to sign a good, I'm sorry, a generator interconnection agreement with centerpoint and myso.

1561
01:50:42,540 --> 01:50:49,320
Elliott Bess will construct site access roads and culverts as needed to comply with county codes.

1562
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:57,040
The project operation will generate little or no additional traffic for the local roads.

1563
01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:05,320
The project will be designed to maximize water, infiltration, onsite, and minimize any project runoff.

1564
01:51:06,820 --> 01:51:08,120
Number five.

1565
01:51:09,260 --> 01:51:14,080
The use is in harmony with the Evansville Vandenberg County Comprehensive Plan.

1566
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:37,320
Elliott Bess Alliance was section 9 school to promote developments that are clean industries involved new technologies that minimize resources and waste in the manufacturing process and contribute to the local economy by providing diverse employment opportunities.

1567
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:42,140
Agricultural Preservation Section number 10.

1568
01:51:42,580 --> 01:51:46,380
Elliott Bass Alliance with the Comprehensive Plans Agricultural Preservation

1569
01:51:46,380 --> 01:51:52,600
Goals by using only 40 acres of agricultural

1570
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:58,160
Zoned land for 20 years before allowing the land to be restored to its

1571
01:51:58,160 --> 01:51:59,200
prior use.

1572
01:52:00,460 --> 01:52:04,300
Elliott Bass will also maintain harmony with the existing agricultural

1573
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:10,960
uses by maintaining existing vegetation, where possible, and adding fencing, planting,

1574
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:16,000
requested Evergreen's and shrubs to address requests by adjoining neighbors.

1575
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:26,140
Economic development section 11, Elliott Pess compliments the economic development goals and

1576
01:52:26,140 --> 01:52:32,260
objective outlined in section 11 of the comprehensive plan, through investing approximately

1577
01:52:32,260 --> 01:52:36,000
$200 million in Vanderbilt County.

1578
01:52:40,260 --> 01:52:43,160
Environmental Quality Section Number 13.

1579
01:52:44,040 --> 01:52:47,640
Environmental Quality Goals of the Comprehensive Plan are advanced.

1580
01:52:48,860 --> 01:52:51,940
First, Eliot Bess will provide for grid resiliency.

1581
01:52:53,020 --> 01:52:59,460
Second, the Eliot Bess site is designed to avoid the forested areas that are a defining

1582
01:52:59,460 --> 01:53:03,180
resource of our Northeast Vanderbilt County.

1583
01:53:03,180 --> 01:53:22,020
The I-69 Gateway Plan, the project avoids the constraints identified in the Gateway Plan and is consistent with the type of development and sub-area goals for land use and economic development in promoting green development and industries.

1584
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:24,540
Finally, number six,

1585
01:53:27,110 --> 01:53:32,010
the use is essential or desirable to the public convenience and welfare.

1586
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:38,490
With a total of that investment of approximately $200 million, Elliot Bess will add substantial

1587
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:42,910
assessed valuation to the county and Scott Township.

1588
01:53:44,250 --> 01:53:50,610
This shall help lower tax rates and be used to leverage support for schools, emergency services,

1589
01:53:50,610 --> 01:53:56,290
roads, libraries, parks, and other county services.

1590
01:53:59,100 --> 01:54:04,580
The project will also create full-time well-paying jobs during construction and provide

1591
01:54:04,580 --> 01:54:08,920
two to three full-time and part-time jobs during its operation.

1592
01:54:09,980 --> 01:54:15,920
The project will further support local businesses throughout the construction process and during

1593
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:16,680
its operations.

1594
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,440
Thank you.

1595
01:54:22,440 --> 01:54:28,720
present the project and its technologies. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

1596
01:54:29,820 --> 01:54:34,880
Yes. My name is Jason Winick, 353 North Clark Street Chicago Illinois.

1597
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:39,050
And thank you members

1598
01:54:39,050 --> 01:54:43,770
of the board for having me here today. So we just walked through the findings of fact. I'm

1599
01:54:43,770 --> 01:54:47,950
going to give some background on RWA and our experience in the battery and energy business.

1600
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:52,970
I'm also going to talk about just some basics of what these batteries are and what they look

1601
01:54:52,970 --> 01:54:58,110
like introduce the site and its benefits, briefly talk about fire prevention and safety,

1602
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:59,950
and kind of next steps on our project.

1603
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:16,300
So we have a number of experts here today, including fire safety, our attorneys to talk about local and state permitting, as well as environmental impacts and things like that. So I encourage you to ask questions of our group.

1604
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:19,100
And we get to Q&A as well as well as property values.

1605
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:23,860
So RWA, as we mentioned at the beginning,

1606
01:55:24,660 --> 01:55:26,240
if I can get these slides to land, right?

1607
01:55:26,900 --> 01:55:31,800
Is the third largest renewable and battery developer in the United States?

1608
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:35,560
Batteries are a proven technology that are across the US and globe,

1609
01:55:36,300 --> 01:55:40,500
similar to the lithium iron battery center in your cell phone or power bank.

1610
01:55:40,620 --> 01:55:41,880
This means you might have with you here today.

1611
01:55:42,420 --> 01:55:45,140
They're a little more sophisticated and larger, but same technology.

1612
01:55:46,180 --> 01:55:50,060
despite them being a growing industry and part of the energy sector.

1613
01:55:50,140 --> 01:55:54,200
RWB already has over a gigawatt, which would be five times the size of the project.

1614
01:55:54,460 --> 01:55:58,580
We're here today in total in the US with seven projects and operations.

1615
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:04,440
And we have 13 gigawatt projects nationwide, so we have experience building,

1616
01:56:04,860 --> 01:56:08,380
owning and operating these projects and helping the communities we serve.

1617
01:56:11,570 --> 01:56:16,570
So getting into what these batteries are, so batteries are located close to transmission lines

1618
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:25,270
And substations, they charge electricity when there's access electricity on the grid and supply it later when it's needed.

1619
01:56:25,690 --> 01:56:27,110
Providing a tremendous grid benefit.

1620
01:56:27,690 --> 01:56:30,910
What I want to highlight is these batteries support all generation types.

1621
01:56:31,010 --> 01:56:37,090
So that's cool, gas, nuclear, solar wind, something that gets invented tomorrow and connects to the grid.

1622
01:56:37,810 --> 01:56:38,910
They support all technologies.

1623
01:56:39,170 --> 01:56:43,610
So this is really a grid stabilizing technology and helps the entire grid.

1624
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:50,530
And so that electricity can support, you know, new homes, businesses, and industries here

1625
01:56:50,530 --> 01:56:50,690
by.

1626
01:56:53,540 --> 01:56:56,680
And so just a quick look at what these batteries are.

1627
01:56:56,980 --> 01:57:00,460
It's a number of lithium cells that are super tiny like that.

1628
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:02,400
Those are grouped together to form a module.

1629
01:57:03,620 --> 01:57:05,480
Those are stacked together to form a rack.

1630
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,460
And then those are, those racks are combined.

1631
01:57:09,460 --> 01:57:11,840
And then you get a storage system or a container.

1632
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,400
And so these look like basically large shipping containers.

1633
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:15,420
I

1634
01:57:18,530 --> 01:57:25,590
also wanted to brief the highlight that the Indian State government is supporting batteries as a crucial part of the energy grid.

1635
01:57:28,550 --> 01:57:37,310
You know, the governor and the state of the energy department within the state have, you know, called out how they're increasingly important part of the grid.

1636
01:57:37,630 --> 01:57:42,770
They optimize the performance and reliability of new resources. They diversify the grid's technology.

1637
01:57:44,210 --> 01:57:47,670
And they ensure affordable, reliable, and resilient energy on the grid.

1638
01:57:48,430 --> 01:57:53,290
And so, you know, a lot of groups are calling for them, but I just wanted to highlight the state government.

1639
01:57:53,850 --> 01:57:57,970
And there's already, you know, projects across the state and under construction as well.

1640
01:58:00,380 --> 01:58:07,400
Getting into some of the actual benefits of the project or of batteries in general and why they're needed in Indiana.

1641
01:58:08,180 --> 01:58:11,160
So they provide grid reliability and support in a changing grid.

1642
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:13,660
that's, you know, we all know how load growth is rising

1643
01:58:14,340 --> 01:58:15,580
in power plants are retiring.

1644
01:58:16,700 --> 01:58:19,620
And so a battery can optimize existing generation

1645
01:58:20,500 --> 01:58:22,880
and capture some of that electricity that might be wasted.

1646
01:58:23,180 --> 01:58:26,220
So if there's tension on the grid and electricity can't be delivered

1647
01:58:26,220 --> 01:58:29,740
because of, you know, the lack of space on the transmission line,

1648
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,580
a battery can pull some off, use it later,

1649
01:58:31,860 --> 01:58:34,780
and that might prevent, or that would supply access

1650
01:58:34,780 --> 01:58:36,400
electricity to the grid when it's needed,

1651
01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:39,500
which is a huge benefit and potential cost savers,

1652
01:58:39,500 --> 01:58:47,420
law. This extra electricity supports low growth, new homes and businesses, and improves grid

1653
01:58:47,420 --> 01:58:52,900
reliability and can decrease the chance of brown-outs or blackouts by supplying that extra

1654
01:58:52,900 --> 01:58:59,440
electricity or storing it when there's a storm. And it can also defer costly grid upgrades.

1655
01:58:59,700 --> 01:59:04,820
So I mentioned the tension that can happen on the grid. These relief that tension and it can potentially

1656
01:59:04,820 --> 01:59:08,440
prevent new incredibly expensive transmission lines from being to be built.

1657
01:59:11,420 --> 01:59:15,580
Getting into the actual site, oh first I'll go over just like what this is.

1658
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,520
So it's a 200 megawatt battery.

1659
01:59:18,300 --> 01:59:21,900
It would come online in 2029 or 2030.

1660
01:59:22,460 --> 01:59:24,300
If all, you know, we receive all of the necessary approvals.

1661
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,600
It's one parcel, 40 acres.

1662
01:59:28,740 --> 01:59:31,020
And the project lifetime would be 20 years.

1663
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,860
So the site is thrown on screen and our layout.

1664
01:59:35,220 --> 01:59:38,060
To me, this is an example of what a good project looks like.

1665
01:59:38,060 --> 01:59:45,300
They're strong natural vegetation to the west side of the project area, as well as the north and the east sides.

1666
01:59:46,360 --> 01:59:50,180
And then on top of that, we've talked with, you know,

1667
01:59:50,180 --> 01:59:54,230
I've had conversations with all of the neighbors about the project, some in person, and more in depth.

1668
01:59:56,980 --> 01:59:59,960
And so, you know, there's two neighbors.

1669
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,480
The House has out of the pond, only one house there, had a really extensive and positive conversations

1670
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:10,000
with them about vegetative screening that will be adding to the project area and continuing

1671
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,480
to work with them as our design advances and we move along towards construction. And so we have

1672
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:21,280
a letter from them that we can hand out to you as proof of that effort. They're the neighbors

1673
02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:26,720
that we'll be looking at the project the most and the others will be, we'll see part of it as

1674
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:33,340
particularly one on the east, but just wanted to do that for you. Where are these

1675
02:00:33,340 --> 02:00:38,120
neighbors? Can you show on the sea of the photo? See this far. So there's this

1676
02:00:38,120 --> 02:00:43,540
pond to split. So our parcel is the top-off. It's then split into halves here.

1677
02:00:44,620 --> 02:00:48,020
And so there's a neighbor. There's a house. Hopefully I'm getting this right

1678
02:00:48,020 --> 02:00:54,280
right here. Okay. That's the paris. And then this parcel is recently acquired by

1679
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:55,740
somebody else, but there's no house here.

1680
02:00:56,660 --> 02:00:59,000
There's a neighbor right here.

1681
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,000
And what's above that, do you know?

1682
02:01:01,200 --> 02:01:01,940
Above the site?

1683
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:03,300
No, no, I mean, above the house.

1684
02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:05,720
You just, this is a horse barn.

1685
02:01:06,060 --> 02:01:06,580
A horse barn?

1686
02:01:07,020 --> 02:01:07,220
Yes.

1687
02:01:08,620 --> 02:01:12,160
And then there's a neighbor in the back here as well, behind the trees.

1688
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,120
And so yeah, I just touched on the vegetation

1689
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:19,780
that's there for some history on the site.

1690
02:01:19,940 --> 02:01:21,580
You know, the topsoils, sporadic of talk

1691
02:01:21,580 --> 02:01:24,660
both our landowner and the tenant farmer on this,

1692
02:01:24,660 --> 02:01:28,580
it's currently used for beans and there's rotation there.

1693
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:29,560
So it is used for agriculture,

1694
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:34,560
but the topsoil is sporadic,

1695
02:01:34,860 --> 02:01:36,940
and as mentioned, the findings of fact, you know,

1696
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:39,700
it's not incredibly productive in that way,

1697
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:42,520
because of the highway production or construction of the highway.

1698
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,520
Another reason for the site, why we chose this is,

1699
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:50,600
obviously, proximity to the transmission line right there.

1700
02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:56,820
And another big benefit is this site avoids all wetlands and water bodies and habitat disturbances.

1701
02:01:56,940 --> 02:02:05,100
So we've done extensive environmental work, both site surveys, desktop to prove that and what's just a great site.

1702
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:15,460
Getting into some of the specifics on distances between neighbors and what the actual infrastructure will be there.

1703
02:02:15,980 --> 02:02:19,060
So obviously we have the battery containers. Those are tucked away all the way in the back.

1704
02:02:19,700 --> 02:02:24,200
wouldn't be seen by any of the neighbor space on the vegetation that's there anticipated.

1705
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:32,460
And those battery containers are only about two acres of space.

1706
02:02:35,200 --> 02:02:39,080
And the closest neighbor is 400 feet away.

1707
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:43,700
And so typically, in a project like this, we would look at, you know, 50-hundred feet distance.

1708
02:02:43,700 --> 02:02:51,840
And so this site is really great because it actually has 400 feet of distance between those batteries and the closest home.

1709
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:56,060
And other neighbors are four or five, at least 100 feet away.

1710
02:02:57,620 --> 02:03:02,160
Other infrastructure, there's a substation in switch yard on site, and that allows us to connect into the grid.

1711
02:03:03,180 --> 02:03:07,820
Those are each a little over an acre, and the closest neighbors 500 feet away.

1712
02:03:07,820 --> 02:03:10,100
And then we might potentially need to know when I'm building.

1713
02:03:10,340 --> 02:03:12,940
So depending on if and what projects are to be

1714
02:03:12,940 --> 02:03:16,120
you might have in the area, you know, we might be able to

1715
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:17,080
share an operations building.

1716
02:03:17,340 --> 02:03:20,980
That would not change that we have full time staff that are

1717
02:03:20,980 --> 02:03:22,700
working on this project in close proximity.

1718
02:03:23,500 --> 02:03:25,720
But we put it there so that it's easier to take something

1719
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,120
way than add it back in.

1720
02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:34,140
So I also wanted to talk about the economic benefits.

1721
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:35,480
They were mentioned a little bit earlier.

1722
02:03:36,460 --> 02:03:38,040
But again, this is a 40 acre parcel.

1723
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:41,060
And the battery and infrastructure that will be

1724
02:03:41,060 --> 02:03:43,580
all tier will be over a $200 million investment.

1725
02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:48,460
That will create about 200 jobs during construction

1726
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:51,060
and two to three full times jobs during operations.

1727
02:03:51,220 --> 02:03:53,940
It'll be local, full time bill, paying jobs.

1728
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,120
And so the property tax revenues alluded to earlier

1729
02:03:57,120 --> 02:04:01,160
will be $1.5 million annually for the life of the project

1730
02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:05,300
totaling over $30 million over a 20 year period.

1731
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:10,860
We've also, and I've also started conversations with the Labor

1732
02:04:10,860 --> 02:04:18,400
you need an IBEW to make sure that we put the most contracts in front of our team as we're

1733
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:23,260
selecting construction partners that use their labor that's a priority to us and something

1734
02:04:23,260 --> 02:04:24,960
that we've worked closely with them on.

1735
02:04:28,500 --> 02:04:32,360
I also want to briefly talk about fire safety in

1736
02:04:32,360 --> 02:04:42,880
the unlikely event of a event from occurring. We also have Pedro here who can talk about all

1737
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:49,740
design level, we comply with all local state federal codes. There's an extensive suite

1738
02:04:49,740 --> 02:04:53,740
of codes that we must follow. We've talked for the fire chief numerous times about it.

1739
02:04:53,740 --> 02:04:58,140
He said no, it's just with the project. Spoke it. The commissioners meeting on Tuesday,

1740
02:04:58,840 --> 02:04:59,680
verified it that as well.

1741
02:05:00,690 --> 02:05:22,770
And so, from there, the technology that we use is lithium iron phosphate. It's a safe and stable chemistry, and then we also have, you know, a thermal management system, explosion prevention systems, like ventilation and gas streamers to prevent anything from occurring, and there's, you know, we follow all codes for the manufacturers or exceed them on distance between equipment.

1742
02:05:23,970 --> 02:05:27,150
From there, so the design is the first layer of protection.

1743
02:05:28,050 --> 02:05:31,630
From there, we have a building management system, the MS.

1744
02:05:32,690 --> 02:05:34,490
And so that monitors the equipment at all time.

1745
02:05:34,670 --> 02:05:37,530
So that's monitoring temperature, communication, state of charge, et cetera.

1746
02:05:38,090 --> 02:05:39,130
A number of things listed there.

1747
02:05:39,230 --> 02:05:42,410
And so if anything looks even slightly off, software shuts down the module.

1748
02:05:43,170 --> 02:05:47,050
So there's an automatic layer to it, which is very good.

1749
02:05:47,410 --> 02:05:48,890
On top of that, we have a few minutes on it.

1750
02:05:48,890 --> 02:05:54,410
So we have the RTV has a remote operation center called the rock in Austin, Texas.

1751
02:05:54,910 --> 02:05:56,850
Someone is watching that 24-7.

1752
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:57,950
Pardon me?

1753
02:05:58,290 --> 02:06:01,450
Could I ask you to speak up or to the mic?

1754
02:06:01,930 --> 02:06:02,570
Yes, I'm going to interrupt the apologies.

1755
02:06:02,710 --> 02:06:03,250
I'm getting an animated.

1756
02:06:03,650 --> 02:06:04,350
OK, back enough.

1757
02:06:05,090 --> 02:06:05,930
Sorry for that.

1758
02:06:06,670 --> 02:06:07,570
So we have the rock.

1759
02:06:07,730 --> 02:06:09,050
Yeah, I can hear it sounding a lot louder.

1760
02:06:10,070 --> 02:06:12,070
So we have the rock that's in Austin, Texas.

1761
02:06:13,150 --> 02:06:15,230
And that will be 24-7 monitoring from our staff.

1762
02:06:15,850 --> 02:06:17,730
So in addition to having the software that's

1763
02:06:17,730 --> 02:06:19,890
checking everything, making shutting things down,

1764
02:06:19,970 --> 02:06:24,390
if there's even the slightest something looking off,

1765
02:06:25,730 --> 02:06:28,910
the rock has ability to shut down a module immediately

1766
02:06:28,910 --> 02:06:30,430
as well.

1767
02:06:30,990 --> 02:06:33,990
And then furthermore, there's a local fire alarm control panel.

1768
02:06:34,490 --> 02:06:37,610
So in the event, an incident occurs, something heats up.

1769
02:06:37,770 --> 02:06:38,410
There's an incident.

1770
02:06:38,630 --> 02:06:42,310
Obviously, our staff will be notified and locally

1771
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:43,610
a mess will be as well.

1772
02:06:45,050 --> 02:06:46,950
So we've talked about all of this with cheap Patrick

1773
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:51,550
Fisher, a couple of times, we've talked about the site over email and in person.

1774
02:06:52,630 --> 02:06:57,470
We will also, as the project advances through engineering design, and as we get closer

1775
02:06:57,470 --> 02:07:01,490
to construction, we'll continue to work on and finalize the emergency services response

1776
02:07:01,490 --> 02:07:06,490
plan with the fire department, and so that will be like, here's all the contact information,

1777
02:07:06,690 --> 02:07:10,950
here's all the equipment we're using, here's the layout of the site, here's the protocol

1778
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:16,270
in case of an incident, how it worked together, so that there's no questions as to what

1779
02:07:16,270 --> 02:07:21,310
might happen or how to respond, and so we'll continue to work with them on that while in advance

1780
02:07:21,310 --> 02:07:24,230
of operations if we get, you know, the project meets all the rules.

1781
02:07:25,470 --> 02:07:30,950
And then we'll also do in-person trainings before construction, before commissioning, and annually

1782
02:07:30,950 --> 02:07:31,930
for the life of the project.

1783
02:07:32,090 --> 02:07:37,330
So make sure everybody's up to date, everybody knows, you know, who's who from RDBV from the

1784
02:07:37,330 --> 02:07:41,550
fire department and to ensure that everything is good there.

1785
02:07:57,340 --> 02:08:03,660
Additionally, to inform our layout and design, we've done numerous environmental engineering

1786
02:08:03,660 --> 02:08:08,640
health and safety and economic reports to understand the full benefits and potential impact

1787
02:08:08,640 --> 02:08:09,460
on this project.

1788
02:08:10,440 --> 02:08:14,260
You know, we have our experts here who can talk about these a little bit more detailed, but

1789
02:08:14,260 --> 02:08:18,300
again, the takeaways on this are that we avoid all wet and blins and water bodies.

1790
02:08:19,580 --> 02:08:23,380
There's no adverse impact to wildlife due to construction or operations of this project.

1791
02:08:24,660 --> 02:08:31,460
And then there will be no increase in runoff, sedimentation, erosion, etc., and that will be confirmed by the county engineer.

1792
02:08:31,900 --> 02:08:36,460
And specifically, in fact, you know, the pond is a big concern for the neighbors to the south.

1793
02:08:36,460 --> 02:08:41,240
There's been many conversations on that, and so that is a key point of this and something that I wanted to emphasize.

1794
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:55,240
And so with respect to the community engagement, we've obviously spoken with the fire department numerous times, went through the site review committee to have our plan improved even to be here today.

1795
02:08:56,420 --> 02:09:10,240
We've spoken with the County Attorney about the decommissioning agreement, road disagreement, and economic development agreement to make sure that there's protections for the roads and protections for decommissioning by putting that bond in place up front so that there's money for decommissioning.

1796
02:09:12,580 --> 02:09:17,540
I've spoken on the phone to all of those four direct neighbors that I shared earlier or in person.

1797
02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:23,370
We obviously had to notify them about this today, but I was sending mail to them well in advance of that to talk about.

1798
02:09:24,150 --> 02:09:32,610
So, you know, survey work being done in case they saw trucks around and wanting to get out in front and these transparent about the project as I could be.

1799
02:09:33,390 --> 02:09:44,910
We're also part of, also, to that piece, again, talking with both the laborers and IVW union and look forward to working with them more as we choose our construction partners.

1800
02:09:46,730 --> 02:09:56,990
I also wanted to highlight that were members of EREP, were sponsored or were partnering with Ivy Tech on a pretty cool workshop in November called the Future of Energy Storage.

1801
02:09:57,670 --> 02:09:59,970
So we're going to come talk about batteries, how they support the group.

1802
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,420
We're in potential jobs in the space, so we're really excited about that. And then this weekend, we're helping sponsor the night at the old courthouse.

1803
02:10:08,360 --> 02:10:11,400
And this is just the start and continuation of our committee engagement.

1804
02:10:14,420 --> 02:10:20,140
In terms of timeline for the project, we've obviously done extensive survey and environmental work to get to this point.

1805
02:10:20,860 --> 02:10:32,060
So that's step one. Step two, we're here today for the special use permit. Over the next couple years, there's a few key pieces that will need to be figured out.

1806
02:10:32,060 --> 02:10:35,100
And that's why we're requesting the three-year timeline

1807
02:10:35,100 --> 02:10:37,060
on the before construction.

1808
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:41,420
So as we mentioned earlier, we need to go through the MISO

1809
02:10:41,420 --> 02:10:42,880
interconnection process.

1810
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:45,560
The MISO interconnection process.

1811
02:10:46,060 --> 02:10:48,680
That was the generation interconnection agreement

1812
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:49,340
that we mentioned.

1813
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,440
And so that says you're allowed to connect

1814
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:52,080
into the grid.

1815
02:10:52,840 --> 02:10:54,000
And that's with MISO and centerpoint.

1816
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,160
That's not related to offtake.

1817
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:58,140
That's just you're allowed to use this line and connect.

1818
02:10:59,060 --> 02:11:01,440
We also need to go through additional state and local permits.

1819
02:11:01,440 --> 02:11:06,580
and I have a slide on that in a little bit, and so there's, you know, a number of local and

1820
02:11:06,580 --> 02:11:10,880
safe permits that we still have to go through, advancing the engineering design, and

1821
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:15,200
one of highlight, you know, a lot of work has gone into our design today, and that is basically

1822
02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:19,480
what the site will look like, but they'll be continued electrical work, added to the design

1823
02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:25,340
and things like that. So we feel confident about the layout that we have, and then procuring

1824
02:11:25,340 --> 02:11:29,920
a equipment as well that has long lead time. So that long lead time gives us the time to complete

1825
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:35,200
these tasks and having a permit allows us to move forward with confidence in our counter

1826
02:11:35,200 --> 02:11:38,400
parties that we're working with, have confidence about the project.

1827
02:11:40,620 --> 02:11:45,820
Some point around 2028 will begin construction and then that would put the project in operations

1828
02:11:45,820 --> 02:11:52,020
around 2029 or 2030 and then after the 20-year life of the project we'll decommission it and

1829
02:11:52,020 --> 02:11:53,720
return the site back to its previous use.

1830
02:11:56,660 --> 02:12:01,240
So I wanted to highlight here just a table of the local and state permits.

1831
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:05,500
Again, you know, up top is the special use 15 that we're here for today.

1832
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,060
The decommissioning road use an economic agreement.

1833
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:13,040
I'm going to talk to the county attorney and in front of the commissioners, obviously.

1834
02:12:13,980 --> 02:12:18,800
But we also have, you know, work to do on drainage, getting final site approval.

1835
02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:25,160
You know, storm water permits, et cetera, as well as going to the state for.

1836
02:12:26,180 --> 02:12:31,020
construction and operations permit, and so we're here to work with you all at the local

1837
02:12:31,020 --> 02:12:33,020
level before we go through that.

1838
02:12:36,020 --> 02:12:40,220
So in closing, for this presentation, the Elliott Best

1839
02:12:40,220 --> 02:12:45,460
Project complies with all special use 15 requirements and provides substantial grid benefits.

1840
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:53,040
It has low impact on the site, naturally well screened, and is in harmony with a comprehensive

1841
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:59,540
plan and it provides, you know, essential grid services that are needed in this growing energy

1842
02:12:59,540 --> 02:13:06,120
environment. And so, yeah, so today, you know, we're requesting your approval on special

1843
02:13:06,120 --> 02:13:11,460
use 15 and extend the construction for up to three years. Thank you.

1844
02:13:11,940 --> 02:13:18,980
Am I correct that you're not generating any? Yeah, yeah, so it's not like it's just storing it

1845
02:13:18,980 --> 02:13:28,500
to start again later. Okay, exactly. And there's others of these around. Yeah, I think I'll try

1846
02:13:28,500 --> 02:13:34,160
to find a slide that I had. I think they're all over the U.S. We have a giga lot of them

1847
02:13:34,160 --> 02:13:41,240
in operations. Yeah. And then in Indiana, I have the number here. So in Indiana, this is not

1848
02:13:41,240 --> 02:13:45,960
RWA, this is just industry-wide. There's nine operating. There's six under construction in

1849
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:50,740
Indiana, and there's also a one-by-glot, so it's obviously, it's a lot smaller,

1850
02:13:51,400 --> 02:13:53,960
a storage project in Vanderbilt County at the Volkman solar array.

1851
02:13:54,300 --> 02:13:56,740
So that's not owned by us, that's owned by Senator Point, but it's a solar and

1852
02:13:56,740 --> 02:14:01,040
storage project, so there's actually a battery in this county, and the fire department

1853
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:03,080
is, we've talked about it, and they're aware of it.

1854
02:14:04,440 --> 02:14:08,760
These other ones that are in Indiana, are any of them RWE's?

1855
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:13,420
No, they're not owned by RWE, but we have a number of projects that are under permitting,

1856
02:14:13,800 --> 02:14:15,260
and have recently got permits as well.

1857
02:14:17,300 --> 02:14:17,860
Yes.

1858
02:14:18,460 --> 02:14:21,080
Actually, there are significantly more batteries than that.

1859
02:14:21,100 --> 02:14:24,660
My name is Rachel Conner, Denton's Bingham Green Bomb, Dirk.

1860
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:25,740
I did take that.

1861
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:30,040
I think we would minister it in part in the U.S. address is 10 West Market Street, Indianapolis,

1862
02:14:30,220 --> 02:14:33,600
Indiana, 46204. The Secretary's

1863
02:14:33,600 --> 02:14:39,520
comments and the Governor's comments were related to new best that have been permitted under

1864
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:42,540
the permitting regime that was adopted by the State in 2023.

1865
02:14:42,540 --> 02:14:49,480
when they adopted that permitting regime, existing best were given the option to basically

1866
02:14:49,480 --> 02:14:54,240
self-register in the database that is maintained by the Indiana Department of Homeland Security.

1867
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:59,960
I submitted an Access to Public Records Act request to IDHS in.

1868
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,620
I think February of this year, it ran through January 22nd of 26th, that was the last submitted permit

1869
02:15:07,620 --> 02:15:14,880
and it's issue and stayed on the list. There are 44 best in Indiana, and that is not even a fully

1870
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:20,940
comprehensive list. I know for a fact, the Harding Street station best on the southwest side of Indiana is

1871
02:15:20,940 --> 02:15:26,140
not on that list. I don't know why they didn't voluntarily register themselves. A lot of them are small,

1872
02:15:26,140 --> 02:15:30,480
So it's probably just more time-consuming for them than it is worth.

1873
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:34,940
So this is a focus on new best utility scale,

1874
02:15:35,340 --> 02:15:39,380
best coming in under the new permitting regime that was adopted by the Indiana General Assembly.

1875
02:15:39,480 --> 02:15:43,960
But we have dozens of best in Indiana and the oldest is 10 years old.

1876
02:15:44,060 --> 02:15:45,240
It's that hard-earned street station.

1877
02:15:45,900 --> 02:15:47,880
It was built in 2016.

1878
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:50,460
And it was actually the first standalone best,

1879
02:15:50,500 --> 02:15:53,680
both in the state of Indiana and in Mayso.

1880
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:56,260
And do you mind if I comment about myself?

1881
02:15:57,780 --> 02:15:59,120
Who are you with?

1882
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:01,680
Ma'am, who are you with?

1883
02:16:01,720 --> 02:16:03,220
One of the attorneys for the project.

1884
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:04,300
Didn't think I'm green bomb.

1885
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:06,100
Reed works in the Evansville office.

1886
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:07,540
I work in the Indianapolis office.

1887
02:16:07,680 --> 02:16:09,160
And my focus is on energy setting.

1888
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,420
I do this a lot.

1889
02:16:12,820 --> 02:16:13,400
I need a hobby.

1890
02:16:14,900 --> 02:16:17,820
Ms. Kabul, you had asked about my so kind of briefly.

1891
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:19,440
I just want to make it clear.

1892
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:22,640
The United States grid is managed by a number

1893
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:32,040
of grid operators. We have MISO territory, midcontinent, independent service operator and PGM operating

1894
02:16:32,040 --> 02:16:36,240
the grid here in Indiana. You may remember a few years ago there was a lot of news

1895
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:41,680
about ERCOT, which is Texas's operator. They stand alone. They do not join in with the national

1896
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:47,520
grid. So when Texas goes down, it goes down by itself. There is no saving them, which we saw

1897
02:16:47,520 --> 02:16:51,980
was very bad when they had ice storms a few years ago. But there are a number of those

1898
02:16:51,980 --> 02:17:01,880
grid operators, storage facilities, generation facilities, major off-takers, they can not just hop onto the grid.

1899
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:05,600
There has to be some approval from the system operator.

1900
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:08,300
Those interconnections studies take time.

1901
02:17:08,380 --> 02:17:14,200
There's a team of analysts, usually like a senior engineer and two to three analysts on their team.

1902
02:17:14,200 --> 02:17:25,240
who have a list of projects based on Q-number and they run studies to determine, can that grid segment take power off load power,

1903
02:17:25,400 --> 02:17:28,500
can it have a storage site within that segment?

1904
02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:32,820
Do any upgrades need to happen before it can come online?

1905
02:17:33,220 --> 02:17:36,460
Who's going to pay for those upgrades? What are the upgrades cost that type of stuff?

1906
02:17:36,620 --> 02:17:41,480
So when we say, my so studies and the amount of time is going to take that's what we're talking about.

1907
02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:42,860
Thank you.

1908
02:17:45,740 --> 02:17:49,400
I kind of have just a general question about it.

1909
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:55,360
So for like however many hundred megawatts that you take in,

1910
02:17:55,620 --> 02:17:59,040
how many can you put back out, like how much is lost in the transfer

1911
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,260
from going from the AC?

1912
02:18:01,360 --> 02:18:03,960
Because this has to go to DC and then back to AC?

1913
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:05,100
Yes.

1914
02:18:05,360 --> 02:18:07,700
Yeah, it does have go from DC to AC to go back on the grid.

1915
02:18:08,020 --> 02:18:09,140
It would be very minimal.

1916
02:18:10,460 --> 02:18:12,980
I would have to confirm with one of our engineers about the exact amount

1917
02:18:12,980 --> 02:18:15,760
that it is lost, but it's, you know, 200 megawatt battery,

1918
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:18,840
it's able to take in 200 megawatts, and then it's a four-hour duration.

1919
02:18:19,180 --> 02:18:22,240
So it's able to have to play it over four-hour period.

1920
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:28,320
So it can take, it takes four hours for it to get that amount in,

1921
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:29,900
and then it can also disperse it over four hours.

1922
02:18:30,340 --> 02:18:30,820
Yes, yeah.

1923
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:34,040
So it can deploy it later, you know, and so it charges when there's,

1924
02:18:34,040 --> 02:18:38,040
the way it works is it'll charge, you know, when there's the excess electricity on the grid

1925
02:18:38,040 --> 02:18:39,860
and then, you know, it can hold on to it.

1926
02:18:39,860 --> 02:18:42,240
It's not like it charges four, and then immediately discharge is four,

1927
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:45,740
and hold on to it and then can deploy it over a period of time.

1928
02:18:47,370 --> 02:18:47,370
Yeah,

1929
02:18:50,670 --> 02:18:51,470
straight ahead.

1930
02:18:52,130 --> 02:18:54,590
So, practical example, I think someone mentioned,

1931
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:56,690
she just mentioned the ice storm,

1932
02:18:57,250 --> 02:18:59,650
and based on Tommy's question.

1933
02:19:00,350 --> 02:19:01,750
So if we were had to have an ice storm

1934
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:04,550
and you had that, and the grid went down here in Evansville,

1935
02:19:04,970 --> 02:19:08,190
you would be able to add some of that back to the grid

1936
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:10,150
over the course of.

1937
02:19:11,310 --> 02:19:13,670
Yeah, yeah, so a battery will, you know,

1938
02:19:13,670 --> 02:19:18,370
if there's a storm, the battery can charge with electricity and then dispatch that, you know,

1939
02:19:18,450 --> 02:19:23,750
so if there's areas that are down, they can provide power to prevent this, brownouts and

1940
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:24,070
blackouts.

1941
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:25,230
Yeah.

1942
02:19:25,350 --> 02:19:30,610
Can you speak a little bit to more about the decommissioning, why it's 20 years, is that,

1943
02:19:30,730 --> 02:19:33,930
I mean, because I know we mentioned 10 years, and I know this is new.

1944
02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:38,610
Well, I mean, batteries are growing in popular, I wouldn't say they're new, they're growing

1945
02:19:38,610 --> 02:19:41,210
in popularity and like need nationwide.

1946
02:19:42,750 --> 02:19:57,310
So, the project lifetime is 20 years, so if we, you know, commissioned in 2030, and then it would last for 20 years, that's basically, you know, the battery slowly degrade over time and with this technology, that's basically the lifetime of the project 20 years.

1947
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:59,910
It might be 21, it's possible, you know, technology.

1948
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,260
So, over this couple of year period before we're procuring equipment, it's possible that there's another year that could be out of it.

1949
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:14,980
But what's important about the decommissioning agreement is that once we deem that the battery is degraded and we're not able to use it anymore,

1950
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:20,780
we have two decommissioned the project and return the land back to its previous use.

1951
02:20:21,620 --> 02:20:29,800
And so, over the life of the project, a part of this agreement is that we'll recess the value of the infrastructure every five years to make sure that the bond is keeping up with.

1952
02:20:29,800 --> 02:20:33,840
The cost of the infrastructure and protect the county and neighbors and residents.

1953
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:37,020
And it's 85 years.

1954
02:20:37,100 --> 02:20:41,980
Every five years, it's really a value wave and determined what the decommissioning cost is.

1955
02:20:42,660 --> 02:20:45,360
And if it has increased, the bond then increases.

1956
02:20:45,880 --> 02:20:46,840
So it is a bond.

1957
02:20:47,580 --> 02:20:51,100
Some form of eight, either a bond or a letter of credit.

1958
02:20:55,750 --> 02:20:59,130
And that's in the decommissioning agreement that we're in front of the commissioners in writing.

1959
02:21:00,130 --> 02:21:06,510
What I was involved in the deep commissioning said to turn it to its previous use, well, it looks like there is no use at the moment.

1960
02:21:07,390 --> 02:21:14,610
Well, it's currently used for agriculture, so at the end of the day after the commissioning it could be used for agriculture again.

1961
02:21:14,990 --> 02:21:19,230
So there will be electrical equipment and there will be concrete foundations for the best equipment.

1962
02:21:19,710 --> 02:21:24,550
We'll take that concrete out and put slow back down if needed in those areas.

1963
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:27,510
And then it would look like how it currently does.

1964
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:34,470
And include all testing of soil and all that to make sure everything's good.

1965
02:21:34,470 --> 02:21:39,570
Yeah, well, there wouldn't be any contamination to the soil for this product, so these battery containers are fully contained.

1966
02:21:39,650 --> 02:21:44,350
There's no hazardous material in them, and so there would be nothing to contaminate the soil.

1967
02:21:44,590 --> 02:21:50,970
It would just be concrete that we're taking up and I guess what I mean, I thought you said someone's going to talk about fires.

1968
02:21:51,130 --> 02:21:54,490
So if you're not the right person, I do have a question about if there is a fire.

1969
02:21:54,510 --> 02:21:56,650
I know a little bit, but we've got an expert back there.

1970
02:21:56,650 --> 02:21:58,450
Okay, well, I'll wait till that person.

1971
02:21:58,490 --> 02:21:59,690
I mean, I can bring them up if you have questions.

1972
02:21:59,690 --> 02:22:01,730
Oh, I know if you're going to do a presentation,

1973
02:22:02,030 --> 02:22:03,750
you might answer my question or if you have.

1974
02:22:04,190 --> 02:22:07,030
But, okay, we'll bring Pedro up here.

1975
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:10,280
Okay.

1976
02:22:10,580 --> 02:22:11,060
Good evening.

1977
02:22:11,500 --> 02:22:12,000
My name is Pedro.

1978
02:22:12,260 --> 02:22:17,980
Doarte, and my address is 1401 East 6 Street in Austin, Texas.

1979
02:22:18,460 --> 02:22:18,600
Okay.

1980
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:19,640
There you go.

1981
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:20,160
I'm going.

1982
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:26,840
So, my question is concerning, if there is a fire,

1983
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:31,900
And I understand that it's a pretty small possibility that there's a fire.

1984
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:35,300
But I know the public is concerned about those kind of things.

1985
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:42,800
So if there is a fire, what's water supply do you utilize to fight the fire?

1986
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:45,480
Sure. Yeah, and that is an legitimate concern, of course.

1987
02:22:46,820 --> 02:22:54,040
So the likelihood of a better unit going into a thermal runway event or a fire, it's very minimal.

1988
02:22:55,220 --> 02:23:01,440
However, though, in a worst case scenario, the barriers or the barrier containers are designed

1989
02:23:01,440 --> 02:23:07,820
in such a way that they self-consume and they don't propagate to adjacent units.

1990
02:23:08,340 --> 02:23:12,400
So in a worst case scenario, a file would be isolated to let's say one container.

1991
02:23:14,020 --> 02:23:19,800
Now as far as firefighting tactics, the industry standard in our approach, and again, they

1992
02:23:19,800 --> 02:23:26,020
designs in that way is that they let themselves consume because it is a control fire, they

1993
02:23:26,020 --> 02:23:30,820
solve consume, they run our energy and they die out. They've emergency services personnel

1994
02:23:30,820 --> 02:23:36,200
will respond to the set as well as RWE personnel, but it will be more to manage the site and

1995
02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:41,420
is to take a defensive posture. We would have visibility into the site and the containers

1996
02:23:41,420 --> 02:23:48,380
around the site. So if we see that perhaps the heat of a fire is heating up an adjacent unit,

1997
02:23:48,380 --> 02:23:53,720
that's the only time that we would use water, and again, not directly into a container,

1998
02:23:54,220 --> 02:23:59,220
undergone an event, but more so to cool down any adjacent structures. And what are you

1999
02:23:59,220 --> 02:24:04,720
usage on site? It would be just for that, or maybe any couple brush fires, as well as

2000
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:07,320
for the fire department to be able to utilize it as needed.

2001
02:24:10,450 --> 02:24:12,570
So the point about our source of water?

2002
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:17,690
So the current, like, base case for the site is to put a water tank by the infrastructure,

2003
02:24:17,690 --> 02:24:24,630
by the best units, you know, we had conversations with T-fisher about, you know, potentially tapping into a water line.

2004
02:24:24,970 --> 02:24:29,610
It is a little bit farther away, so that those are kind of our two options of plug, you know,

2005
02:24:29,790 --> 02:24:35,230
for lack of better terms like plugging into an existing water line and then, you know, being able to provide water on site.

2006
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:41,010
The lines are a little far away, so in the buttons in caution, we're just,

2007
02:24:41,010 --> 02:24:48,410
the water tank on site, by the best units, and Chief Fisher.

2008
02:24:49,090 --> 02:24:52,550
We're continuing to talk with them about we're going to look into how much it would cost

2009
02:24:52,550 --> 02:24:53,870
to connect those lines.

2010
02:24:54,070 --> 02:24:57,930
He said he had no preference, we'll continue to talk with him, work with the fire department

2011
02:24:57,930 --> 02:24:58,570
and make sure that.

2012
02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:05,480
What are the environmental consequences of the fire?

2013
02:25:07,160 --> 02:25:15,180
Sure. So all of this equipment undergoes a, it's called a UL-9548 test.

2014
02:25:15,360 --> 02:25:21,220
It's basically a large-scale fire test, right? So during that test, they go ahead and they, they, in essence,

2015
02:25:21,220 --> 02:25:27,780
a set of container on fire to evaluate how the fire behaves and also to take some data such

2016
02:25:27,780 --> 02:25:34,860
as gas composition. So, in again, in the unlikely event of something happening because the

2017
02:25:34,860 --> 02:25:41,660
fires isolated to one container, the off-gassing, again, is they are included, they off-gassing,

2018
02:25:41,980 --> 02:25:47,840
the composition and quantities are included in that test report. So, for, let's say, containers such

2019
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:53,540
you know, one that we may be proposing, the majority of the gases about 98% of the gases

2020
02:25:53,540 --> 02:25:59,880
of the off-gasm would be made out of carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide or hydrogen, and then

2021
02:25:59,880 --> 02:26:06,460
the rest, you know, 35% of the hydrocarbons. Because it is isolated, the quantities that are

2022
02:26:06,460 --> 02:26:13,920
emitted are minimal, and because the approach of the strategy is that we won't, we won't have

2023
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:17,720
anybody closer than 100 feet to a container,

2024
02:26:17,740 --> 02:26:22,040
having an advance, then there is minimal to know

2025
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:24,720
risk concern in that regard.

2026
02:26:25,100 --> 02:26:27,280
So yeah, we do have the data, as far as they're off-gassing

2027
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:32,260
and we see based on the numbers that there is no concern like that.

2028
02:26:32,660 --> 02:26:36,620
Okay, maybe not to the current situation,

2029
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:38,460
but when it gets to be decommissioned,

2030
02:26:38,480 --> 02:26:42,000
like she had asked, you know, these soil samples and that kind of thing,

2031
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:47,120
even though you say that there's no, it's not something that's going to harm the environment.

2032
02:26:47,500 --> 02:26:51,540
If there is a fire or some other kind of event, is that something then that we're testing

2033
02:26:51,540 --> 02:26:52,240
with a occur?

2034
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:56,960
So, I mean, I mean, I'm about to speak and then if you want to chime in, but we do have

2035
02:26:56,960 --> 02:27:02,960
an agency department, environmental team that evaluates a site, right?

2036
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:08,600
Should, again, worst case scenario, we would have a team that would evaluate and we will obviously

2037
02:27:08,600 --> 02:27:13,440
follow whatever guidance and standards that we need to follow to ensure that everything has

2038
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:16,980
been looked at and the site is deemed safe to operate.

2039
02:27:17,220 --> 02:27:23,580
But it would be addressed at the time, I mean, if the soil is contaminated, it would be

2040
02:27:23,580 --> 02:27:24,100
addressed.

2041
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:29,880
Oh, you mean like, essentially, for me, I think what we're probably getting at is like we don't

2042
02:27:29,880 --> 02:27:31,320
want to be left with a brownfield site.

2043
02:27:32,220 --> 02:27:32,860
Of course not.

2044
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:38,140
No, if anything were to happen generally speaking, if anything were needed, you know,

2045
02:27:38,140 --> 02:27:42,600
anything, and in the unlikely event that an incident happens, we would take care of anything

2046
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:42,920
immediately.

2047
02:27:43,460 --> 02:27:46,960
We have the health and safety team that would be, like, health care and working with us immediately.

2048
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:51,000
So, like, full stop there, like, we'll take care of it.

2049
02:27:51,180 --> 02:27:54,560
In the event of an incident, though, you know, these are on concrete pads that are wider

2050
02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:59,220
than the best units, so the odds are something going into the soil are extremely minimal.

2051
02:27:59,580 --> 02:28:02,920
And again, there's no hazardous materials in these units.

2052
02:28:04,220 --> 02:28:05,300
They're, you know, the lithium iron.

2053
02:28:05,500 --> 02:28:07,500
So, there's no water involved in this.

2054
02:28:07,500 --> 02:28:13,800
There's no water, no there's no water, I mean there's there's a cooling system like in there

2055
02:28:14,820 --> 02:28:21,500
in France but I mean on the throne over there so the liquid mixture would be a glyco and water

2056
02:28:21,500 --> 02:28:27,420
mixture for the cooling system and this is not the different than what we have at home so it is

2057
02:28:27,420 --> 02:28:33,140
that's the only type of I guess major liquid that would be a concern however worst case in

2058
02:28:34,060 --> 02:28:41,380
But he's a lot of operation, so there is since any percent of that just free flowing all over the place.

2059
02:28:42,380 --> 02:28:46,940
So essentially, because it's sitting on the concrete pad, if there was a fire, it would self-consume on the pad.

2060
02:28:47,060 --> 02:28:50,540
You would not use water to put out the fire because it's going to self-consume.

2061
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:53,560
And then we have minimal gas that comes from that fire.

2062
02:28:53,940 --> 02:28:56,660
Once that's it, you guys would remove all of that.

2063
02:28:56,660 --> 02:28:59,260
And there would not be really any relation to the soil.

2064
02:28:59,880 --> 02:29:00,560
Yes, exactly.

2065
02:29:00,820 --> 02:29:01,660
That was my question.

2066
02:29:07,660 --> 02:29:13,380
So how large are these individual, even it's like how many kilowatts is one?

2067
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:21,340
Yes, so the best units that we're planning to use at this time are 10 kilowatts hours.

2068
02:29:21,900 --> 02:29:22,520
It's subject to change.

2069
02:29:22,660 --> 02:29:25,800
So we know we're putting batteries on those pads.

2070
02:29:28,740 --> 02:29:31,580
They're making 10 megawatt hours each battery.

2071
02:29:31,580 --> 02:29:37,940
And so the plan would be to have about a hundred of them on site in that couple acre

2072
02:29:38,700 --> 02:29:45,300
box that we showed on the site so one of these will be similar to like a truck load of

2073
02:29:45,300 --> 02:29:51,300
electric cars. Sure, I mean, there's a little larger than a shipping container. Yeah, so

2074
02:29:51,900 --> 02:29:57,240
essentially you have a similar target capacity to a truck load of electric cars give or take.

2075
02:29:57,240 --> 02:29:59,960
I don't, I'm just saying it's like we have those drivers.

2076
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,780
We're not all the time. Yeah. I mean, there's batteries in those cars that are driving around on the street every day. You see them batteries and almost everything that we use. So it's not a new technology.

2077
02:30:11,320 --> 02:30:15,820
There's going to be about a hundred of them. Can you tell me the dimensions? Yes.

2078
02:30:17,180 --> 02:30:22,480
Let me go up to it. And this was in our site review committee application. I'm going the wrong way.

2079
02:30:27,570 --> 02:30:35,490
So if we look at an individual container, including the foundation, and this is based on the current fluence as a brand,

2080
02:30:36,370 --> 02:30:43,390
better that we're using it, we could switch, and so this is like subject to change, but roughly this is what you could expect for the size of a container,

2081
02:30:44,250 --> 02:30:52,270
including the foundation, about 16 feet and height, and then page your how long or how long are these, what you said.

2082
02:30:52,270 --> 02:30:53,930
Is there about 20 to

2083
02:30:56,010 --> 02:30:56,370
20?

2084
02:31:00,660 --> 02:31:05,200
Is there any humming or noise associated with them?

2085
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:08,840
If you were, so the noise that can come from batteries is like fan.

2086
02:31:08,940 --> 02:31:09,780
It's like an HVAC unit.

2087
02:31:10,000 --> 02:31:13,260
So if you were standing next to one, you would hear like a fan.

2088
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:17,580
If you were across the street, private though, you may not hear.

2089
02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:19,000
Yeah, you may not hear it.

2090
02:31:19,380 --> 02:31:22,220
And part of the reason why the site was chosen to is it's right next to a highway.

2091
02:31:22,320 --> 02:31:23,360
And we were out there on site.

2092
02:31:23,480 --> 02:31:24,540
There's noise there.

2093
02:31:25,080 --> 02:31:33,140
the trees and kind of wooded area to the top acts as really strong buffer, that distance across the lake for a really strong buffer as well.

2094
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:49,140
And so we'll comply with on top of that, we'll comply with all local regulations related to noise, but because of where the batteries are, they're super tucked in the back, they're far away from homes, as like an added protection, and then in terms of the subsation infrastructure,

2095
02:31:51,260 --> 02:31:54,380
it's exactly what's right next to the homes and neighbors there.

2096
02:31:54,380 --> 02:32:02,100
currently. So let me ask you two more questions. How does our WEE make its money?

2097
02:32:03,020 --> 02:32:08,900
Yeah, so we add a to oversimplify a little bit. We've basically buy that power off the grid

2098
02:32:08,900 --> 02:32:17,560
and then sell it at a slightly higher price. This pricing is going to be way cheaper, like

2099
02:32:17,560 --> 02:32:22,780
the price we're selling back to would most likely be cheaper than if a peak or plant had

2100
02:32:22,780 --> 02:32:23,460
come online.

2101
02:32:26,470 --> 02:32:29,250
So one of the ways that you can have these price spikes on your electricity bill

2102
02:32:29,250 --> 02:32:33,190
would be all the generation that, you know, is normally running throughout the day.

2103
02:32:33,470 --> 02:32:39,150
It's being exhausted to power the grid. The next unit to come online, but, you know, whatever

2104
02:32:39,150 --> 02:32:43,270
generations worth that might be, is usually a very expensive one. And that's why it's the last

2105
02:32:43,270 --> 02:32:48,830
in the pecking order to be used. So they have that unit come online would be very expensive.

2106
02:32:49,350 --> 02:32:52,310
And that's where a batter can come and selling that electricity at a lower cost.

2107
02:32:55,050 --> 02:33:03,510
Let's say electricity goes down a little bit and you're re-supplying it to make up for that loss.

2108
02:33:04,130 --> 02:33:09,130
Is the consumer paying more for that period of time?

2109
02:33:09,350 --> 02:33:20,630
So you're just understanding that if you're buying it for X and you're selling it for X plus.

2110
02:33:20,630 --> 02:33:24,550
Yeah, is that plus being passed along to the consumer?

2111
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:25,150
Yeah.

2112
02:33:26,230 --> 02:33:32,330
In the state of Indiana, retail customers' rates are set and managed by the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission.

2113
02:33:32,790 --> 02:33:35,610
So the wholesale power rates may fluctuate,

2114
02:33:36,150 --> 02:33:40,290
but retail power rates are managed by the IURC,

2115
02:33:40,370 --> 02:33:44,610
and we also have the Office of Utility Consumer Councilor,

2116
02:33:44,650 --> 02:33:47,630
which is functionally the agency, the state agency,

2117
02:33:47,630 --> 02:33:49,950
that represents rate payer interest.

2118
02:33:49,950 --> 02:33:56,570
So, the wholesale power market that RWA will participate in and the retail power market are

2119
02:33:56,570 --> 02:34:01,350
two slightly different power markets and the retail market here in Indiana is governed

2120
02:34:01,350 --> 02:34:02,350
by that agency.

2121
02:34:03,390 --> 02:34:08,590
So, changes in the wholesale power market do not always immediately reflect in that retail

2122
02:34:08,590 --> 02:34:09,030
market.

2123
02:34:09,570 --> 02:34:16,410
We do often see, have recently seen utilities regulated, retail utilities go to the IURC

2124
02:34:16,410 --> 02:34:17,710
and ask for rate increases.

2125
02:34:17,710 --> 02:34:47,630
that has been common here in Indiana recently, they've had a variety of reasons wanting to create new infrastructure, wanting to transition, old coal plants to new gas plants, wanting to create new major substations, wanting to run new types of infrastructure like the lines that small lines that run in neighborhoods, and also answer increases in cost in the wholesale power market.

2126
02:34:47,710 --> 02:34:55,250
But that immediate call for power that our WE is going to sell is not going to have an immediate reaction in the retail power market

2127
02:34:56,190 --> 02:34:58,870
Yeah, one last question for me is

2128
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:14,860
On your guy's knowledge of all of these kind of units around the country, have any of them had any kind of security threats or sabotage? Is there any concern for sabotage?

2129
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:23,260
Respectfully, best units are not the most attractive terrorist domestic or international target that we have on the grid.

2130
02:35:23,260 --> 02:35:30,800
You know, a large power plant is a significantly more attractive target than a small

2131
02:35:30,800 --> 02:35:35,600
best, and I know that this best is a utility scale, but in the grand scheme of power

2132
02:35:35,600 --> 02:35:42,580
assets, 200 megawatt best is significantly smaller than some of our gigawatt and larger

2133
02:35:43,180 --> 02:35:53,240
power facilities here in the United States, our small modular nuclear reactors and other

2134
02:35:53,240 --> 02:36:00,820
in our retail utilities, so the people who are the last mile to the customer, they are significantly,

2135
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:06,480
I don't want to say vulnerable, but they are targets of cybersecurity threats all of

2136
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:06,920
the time.

2137
02:36:07,100 --> 02:36:10,920
And that has been one of their primary focuses in the last five years, is showing up their

2138
02:36:10,920 --> 02:36:12,760
vulnerabilities to cybersecurity threats.

2139
02:36:14,200 --> 02:36:16,360
So are they a target they could be?

2140
02:36:16,660 --> 02:36:20,800
But are they the most valuable target are they the most bang for anybody's back?

2141
02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:21,500
They're not.

2142
02:36:21,500 --> 02:36:23,560
Okay, you guys, let's do this.

2143
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:26,580
Why don't you guys set aside and then we'll have

2144
02:36:26,580 --> 02:36:28,740
the demonstrators have a chance.

2145
02:36:29,720 --> 02:36:31,120
Thank you very much for the donation.

2146
02:36:31,560 --> 02:36:31,900
Good job.

2147
02:36:32,780 --> 02:36:36,400
And then who raised their hand and wanted to come up and

2148
02:36:36,400 --> 02:36:38,420
speak about this application?

2149
02:36:41,730 --> 02:36:42,410
I don't care.

2150
02:36:43,090 --> 02:36:43,930
I don't care who's first,

2151
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:50,070
but just remember,

2152
02:36:50,210 --> 02:36:52,210
please start with your name and address just for the record.

2153
02:36:52,510 --> 02:36:53,110
Thank you.

2154
02:36:53,230 --> 02:36:53,790
Good afternoon.

2155
02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:54,970
I'm Josh Pertzer.

2156
02:36:55,070 --> 02:36:56,570
I reside at 9.22.

2157
02:36:57,210 --> 02:37:00,050
North County Road 700 West in Richland, Indiana.

2158
02:37:01,050 --> 02:37:03,850
I'm a business agent with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers,

2159
02:37:04,290 --> 02:37:06,070
here at local 16 at Evansville.

2160
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:10,570
I'm here today in support of this proposed 200 megawatt battery energy storage system

2161
02:37:10,570 --> 02:37:12,110
in North East and Vancouver County.

2162
02:37:12,690 --> 02:37:15,850
Projects like this represent an opportunity for Vancouver County

2163
02:37:15,850 --> 02:37:21,770
to make productive use of its land while bringing meaningful economic benefits to the community.

2164
02:37:22,950 --> 02:37:25,670
This project is expected to generate, like I said,

2165
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:35,250
approximately one and a half million attacks revenue each year for over 20 years, while also providing an important source of income for local landowners who are willing to host the project.

2166
02:37:36,390 --> 02:37:42,290
Just as importantly, the construction phase is expected to create approximately 200 plus construction jobs.

2167
02:37:43,110 --> 02:37:51,070
From the IVEW perspective, we hope those opportunities will be filled by qualified local workers wherever possible.

2168
02:37:51,930 --> 02:37:57,870
including electricians, equipment operators, iron workers, laborers, other skilled tradespeople

2169
02:37:57,870 --> 02:37:59,790
from Vanderbilt County in the surrounding areas.

2170
02:38:01,110 --> 02:38:03,330
I also want to recognize the project commitment to safety.

2171
02:38:04,030 --> 02:38:08,610
The battery storage system will utilize an up-to-date fire alarm control panel system and

2172
02:38:08,610 --> 02:38:14,430
modern safety technology designed to address the specific safety considerations associated with

2173
02:38:14,430 --> 02:38:15,910
the battery energy storage facilities.

2174
02:38:16,510 --> 02:38:19,690
These are the kind of projects that can put our local people to work.

2175
02:38:19,690 --> 02:38:28,490
Support local businesses generate tax revenue, provide income for local landowners, and bring long-term economic benefits to the community.

2176
02:38:29,210 --> 02:38:36,030
As a representative of the electrical trades, I believe that we should encourage responsible development that provides a good construction opportunities,

2177
02:38:36,670 --> 02:38:42,630
incorporates modern safety measures, and allows qualified local workers to participate in the work taking place in their own community.

2178
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:52,250
For those reasons, I respectfully asked the Board to consider the economic workforce, landowner and safety benefits of this project and to support the proposed battery storage facility.

2179
02:38:52,710 --> 02:38:55,890
Thank you for your time and allow me to thank you for being here.

2180
02:38:56,670 --> 02:38:57,310
Who's next?

2181
02:39:00,680 --> 02:39:01,200
No, no.

2182
02:39:01,260 --> 02:39:02,680
Not all at the same time.

2183
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:06,380
Oh, here's one.

2184
02:39:07,020 --> 02:39:09,640
You know, but you still got to say it.

2185
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:14,220
Chris Thomes, 57, 33 Shadow Creek Lane, Newburg, Indiana.

2186
02:39:15,640 --> 02:39:17,660
So I wasn't planning on coming up here today.

2187
02:39:17,800 --> 02:39:20,800
I was here for another matter, but when I heard what was going on, and I've heard a

2188
02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:25,240
little bit about this project, and I'm here to support it.

2189
02:39:25,240 --> 02:39:29,860
And I'm a local developer, lifelong resident, band of Bergen Warwick County.

2190
02:39:30,320 --> 02:39:33,280
I went a plastics plant just to the east of this.

2191
02:39:33,480 --> 02:39:38,980
On the other side of 69, and I'm currently developing a 178-lot residential subdivision, not

2192
02:39:38,980 --> 02:39:45,880
for our south on North Green of a road. So one of the things I want to encourage and been

2193
02:39:45,880 --> 02:39:52,480
mean to come down here we've developed 19 residential subdivisions of my career and we strongly

2194
02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:59,940
encourage the forward to try to encourage the development in the area because our growth in this area.

2195
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:17,080
Is not what we needed to be over the last 20 years. So, I strongly encourage you to support any type of economic development. And certainly this project is not an issue at all, environmentally or whatever. So, anyway, that's all I really have to say.

2196
02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:18,560
All right. Thank you for being here.

2197
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:20,960
have. Anybody else?

2198
02:40:25,070 --> 02:40:27,530
Go on once. Go on twice.

2199
02:40:33,210 --> 02:40:36,970
Okay. Okay, so what I'm, what I think would be

2200
02:40:36,970 --> 02:40:45,470
a good idea at request of our council is to take a small brief break and let our council

2201
02:40:45,470 --> 02:40:53,150
talk to some of your reps and maybe handle some details and then come back and we'll finish

2202
02:40:53,150 --> 02:40:53,530
So, it's amazing.

2203
02:40:54,310 --> 02:40:55,010
We'll take a few minutes.

2204
02:40:55,510 --> 02:40:56,150
Thank you.

2205
02:40:56,270 --> 02:40:56,890
Thank you.

2206
02:40:58,090 --> 02:40:59,330
Before you want to go, sir?

2207
02:41:01,400 --> 02:41:02,100
I see.

2208
02:41:07,640 --> 02:41:11,280
I was going to put in a couple of times, but I didn't think that was the most

2209
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:11,600
of the time.

2210
02:41:12,980 --> 02:41:13,640
We did.

2211
02:41:14,740 --> 02:41:17,340
In the spring we grew a shane look at our hands.

2212
02:41:17,640 --> 02:41:18,860
And we don't use the same.

2213
02:41:19,460 --> 02:41:20,720
So we're going to like put in the open.

2214
02:41:21,020 --> 02:41:21,700
We don't look at that look at our hands.

2215
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:22,680
We don't use the same.

2216
02:41:23,300 --> 02:41:25,960
And we don't have to think that's what we're doing.

2217
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:25,940
I don't know what to say, but I don't know what to say, but I don't know what to say.

2218
02:44:55,960 --> 02:44:59,760
I think that's what I'm talking about, and that's what I'm talking about, and that's what I'm talking about.

2219
02:46:41,360 --> 02:46:43,580
Okay, if we could pull it back together, if that's all right.

2220
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:47,880
So,

2221
02:46:51,210 --> 02:46:52,390
Dirk, what would you have us know?

2222
02:46:54,970 --> 02:47:00,970
I would say if there are no further questions and I think you're ready for motion. Very well.

2223
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:08,910
I would move approval of the special use permit 15 for the LA best project.

2224
02:47:09,110 --> 02:47:12,530
I second. We have a motion. We have a second. Please call the roll.

2225
02:47:17,010 --> 02:47:21,490
Ms. Kasha? Yes. Mr. Roodle? Yes.

2226
02:47:22,750 --> 02:47:24,230
Mr. Shattler? Yes.

2227
02:47:26,520 --> 02:47:27,860
Ms. Kabul? Yes.

2228
02:47:29,460 --> 02:47:30,140
Mr. Petki.

2229
02:47:31,020 --> 02:47:34,240
First, I'd like to say thank you everybody for the investment in our county.

2230
02:47:34,360 --> 02:47:35,860
We really appreciate that.

2231
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:37,320
And I don't think we sell it.

2232
02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:39,220
We tell that to our applicants enough.

2233
02:47:39,580 --> 02:47:40,360
But I vote yes.

2234
02:47:40,580 --> 02:47:43,900
And I see that it is approved with five yes and zero noes.

2235
02:47:44,460 --> 02:47:45,840
Thank you. Well done. Thank you.

2236
02:47:45,840 --> 02:47:46,280
Thank you.

2237
02:47:48,180 --> 02:47:51,680
Okay, any other business for the business of business?

2238
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:56,240
All right, that's all she wrote, meeting is adjourned, we'll see you next month.

2239
02:47:56,720 --> 02:47:57,420
What did I come up there?

2240
02:47:58,740 --> 02:48:00,400
Oh my god, I lost Jim's.

2241
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:03,760
And that's.

2242
02:48:05,960 --> 02:48:08,960
What's going to be pretty awkward for him because it's just like,

2243
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:10,960
Thank you.

2244
02:48:13,140 --> 02:48:13,700
Thank you.

2245
02:48:13,700 --> 02:48:14,080
Thank you.

2246
02:48:15,020 --> 02:48:15,960
Yeah, very excited.

2247
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:18,860
Thank you.

2248
02:48:19,380 --> 02:48:21,140
You're very just getting safe there.

2249
02:48:21,420 --> 02:48:22,400
I'm sorry.

2250
02:48:22,660 --> 02:48:23,380
You did a good job.

2251
02:48:24,060 --> 02:48:24,580
Thank you.

2252
02:48:25,100 --> 02:48:28,520
Thank you.