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Good evening.

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And welcome to the Exeter zoning board of adjustment meeting for Tuesday, August 18th, 2026.

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Let me begin by introducing the members.

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Of the panel this evening.

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To my far left.

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I always start on the left.

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My far left alternate member, Adam Grant.

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No, it's not grant Adam.

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Grant's an author Carter.

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Adam Carter, Adam grants, an author.

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Get that from geez.

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Next next to him.

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Martha Penn, next to me, Laura Monchago to my meter.

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Wright Esser Olson Murphy.

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And to my far right John da Santo, my name's Bob Pryor.

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We have one item of new business this evening.

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And since there are six of us on the panel.

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We need to decide.

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Which of the three alternates.

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Alternates John

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Adam.

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Carter I'll get that name right correctly.

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And Martha.

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Will be voting on this.

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Does anyone have a, a preference for, or again, voting?

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Amongst the three alternates.

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Alternates.

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I just assumed step down if that's.

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That's agreeable.

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Well, you have to stay.

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No why?

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I know cuz you're giving me a ride.

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Yeah.

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Cause I'm a ride home.

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You're you're.

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Stuck to lie leave.

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So I, but I will.

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Okay, Adam and John will both be voted on this application this evening.

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Along with the three of us in the center.

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So,

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so the zoning board of adjustment we'll continue a public hearing on the application

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of Tinburg developers, LLC.

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The applicant seeks a vari.

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Variance and relief

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from one article 4.2 schedule one, which allows one family detached dwellings, and two

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from article five point.

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5.3, which limits only one principle building on a lot subject property is located

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in the R two.

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Single family district tax BA parcel 63 dash 2 56.

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And this is EBA case 26 dash four.

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Good evening.

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Good evening,

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who will be joining us this evening?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, my name is Christian Smith engineer with Beals associates representing Berg

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properties.

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On this application

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attorney John Kucinich is with us here in the audience, as well as.

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Shauna Samis from *****.

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***** and Alice, Alice.

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Alice.

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Hi, Alice.

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Alice, come on.

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Sorry.

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I'm from the Gulf group.

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So we did some after the June hearing.

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Obviously we did not make it to our case last month.

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But we did some data research and compiled a couple of spreadsheets, which I

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would just like to hand out copies.

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I think one of them.

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You did receive in

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attorney's most recent.

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Memo.

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Thank you very much.

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And my apologies.

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All good.

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.

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But this does have a location map, which just kind of keys in the

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properties.

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To that spreadsheet.

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And then I just have another one that compares the existing condition to the

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proposed condition.

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Along with both the requirements for setbacks, lot size, frontage, et cetera.

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In both to see one of the R two zones.

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Thank you, Christian.

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You have a copy for.

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Town as well.

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Absolutely.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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I just think this will, my conversation will make a lot more sense with

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uhoh these you're.

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Gonna

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thank you.

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Well,

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jury's still on.

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I think, you know, me, Bob, probably not.

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Like I say

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I'll do what I can.

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Thank you.

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Your honor, Martha, even though you're refusing, you can follow along, Adam.

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Thank you.

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That must have get you copies.

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Do you want those right now?

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Or you just gonna do it?

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Okay.

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So the other property's listed are the abutting properties.

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Abutting and in the general vicinity.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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That is the case.

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So I, I think what, what I just wanted to go through.

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Is

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as I understand it, I mean, I did read the minutes, but again, I

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was not at that particular hearing in June.

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There was

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concern on a couple accounts, lot coverage, as well as the number of.

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Buildings being proposed.

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But what I did want to point out is that there are, and I

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think John covered this in his letter as well.

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So much of it's gonna be re reiteration.

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But just wanted to go through.

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How this project

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this proposed project

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actually reduces.

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Reduces the non-conformity of the existing parcel.

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With the three buildings and the seven residential units within it.

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So two of those homes.

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Homes have pretty significant

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sideline setbacks and or front setback encroachments.

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Which all of the buildings setbacks will now be met.

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For the proposed condition.

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And while

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the board was absolutely right.

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There is a proposed.

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Increase in overall lot coverage.

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But we actually still meet the zoning requirements.

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Of the R two zone for both building coverage and total lot coverage.

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We are 22% on total building coverage in the proposed condition.

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Where max is 25 with total lot cover.

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Is 17,378, which is 47%.

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Where max of 60 is, is afforded.

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Now we also, I have reached out to the fire department.

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We are going to talk to them about reduction of that entrance drive.

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It is already proposed at 22.

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I will just let this board know that very likely.

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The maximum they're gonna let us reduce that width down to would be 20

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feet.

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Cuz that's N F P a national standards for.

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Firetruck access widths.

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And I guess the, the other point that I really wanted to hear home

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is that.

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You know?

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Yes, there are five buildings proposed.

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Which is two more buildings that exist on the lot currently.

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However it is an actual reduction in lot density.

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And if you look at the, the table,

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what do you mean by a reduction in, in lot density?

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Well, there are seven units within those three buildings.

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So did I turn it off again?

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No, it just.

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It's just, oh, I think it's dead.

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Yeah.

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Did you kill it?

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No battery.

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not intentionally.

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No. I assure you not intentionally. Mr. Chairman.

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So really what we were looking.

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Yeah.

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We're, we're talking about unit density, the number of residential units on this property

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understood three.

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Buildings.

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There are seven.

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We're proposing five.

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And if you read down through.

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The, the spreadsheet that was put together by Alex.

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We are looking at an average square foot per unit.

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Of 6,224 that's for all of the.

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The U or the

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dwellings and properties highlighted on that map.

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And we come in in the proposed condition.

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At 7,000.

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318.

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So while, so your lot size is 36,590.

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Correct.

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Where do you get?

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62 24.

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62 24 is at the bottom.

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Mr. Chairman.

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That is the average square feet.

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Per unit

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that's for all of the abutting and.

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Area parcels.

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Oh, oh, oh, that whole table

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condensed down divided by the number of, of okay.

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Properties we looked at.

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Okay.

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So we're actually slightly

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greater square footage of lot area per unit.

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In the proposed conditions slightly less than that.

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If we look at the seven units that are there currently.

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And that was largely

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everything that I wanted to cover.

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Not, not that it necessarily matters to you folks, but.

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We also have a fairly comprehensive.

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Stormwater mitigation program.

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Proposed with this.

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We've got a couple of buyer retention areas.

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Areas there are pervious patios in the rears of these buildings, which will also

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they're built with the same filtration material.

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That a porous pavement would be slightly less deep, but there is still.

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Absorption into the ground and stormwater treatment through that.

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And with that, I will turn it over to attorney.

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Kovic quick question.

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Before you go, go, if you don't mind, you define the front of the

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building since facing.

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The driveway and the rear as to the right.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Classification.

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There was someone else had a question for Christian.

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I have a couple of questions

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on, unless you want to, you wanna take 'em now or wait?

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Yeah.

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By all means.

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So on this.

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On this table.

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Mm-hmm .

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Reference

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one.

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On the map, 75 main street.

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That C one, correct.

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Correct.

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The rest of these are all R two.

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Is that, is that true?

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I think there might be a couple of more.

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1 2, 3 and four on this map are all commercial.

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Yeah.

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All in C one.

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Okay.

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So 1, 2, 3, and four are all in C one.

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I'm looking at the map.

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1, 2, 3, and four, right?

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Okay.

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And then

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number 5 61 main street.

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That property is 17,860 feet.

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Square feet that seems

274
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61.

275
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That 61 main street.

276
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That's the lot area that I believe was pulled off the Exeter, Texas.

277
00:15:54,166 --> 00:15:54,533
Okay.

278
00:15:54,533 --> 00:15:58,066
But you're saying the square foot unit is 17, 8 60.

279
00:15:58,867 --> 00:16:00,066
I don't think that's correct.

280
00:16:01,166 --> 00:16:03,133
That's lot size and square feet, right?

281
00:16:03,133 --> 00:16:04,533
Oh, that I'm sorry, Laura.

282
00:16:04,634 --> 00:16:07,767
Yes, that did not because there's only one unit on it.

283
00:16:08,767 --> 00:16:13,533
So there are 17,860 square feet of land area, right.

284
00:16:13,734 --> 00:16:14,567
For a single unit.

285
00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:15,133
But.

286
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,033
But the, the square footage unit column mm-hmm .

287
00:16:20,033 --> 00:16:24,300
Also has 17,860 feet because that's telling you how many square feet's only one

288
00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:25,033
unit on that unit.

289
00:16:25,166 --> 00:16:27,867
Property's it's per unit provided it's divided.

290
00:16:28,166 --> 00:16:30,033
Divided by one, the one above is 30.

291
00:16:30,533 --> 00:16:30,867
I'm sorry.

292
00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:34,000
I thought that that was the square footage of the, it took me a

293
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:34,266
minute too.

294
00:16:34,266 --> 00:16:34,533
Yeah.

295
00:16:34,634 --> 00:16:35,066
Per unit?

296
00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:36,100
No. What? Yeah.

297
00:16:36,567 --> 00:16:38,300
What the intention of this was it's not per unit.

298
00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:39,000
That's the lot.

299
00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:39,634
Okay.

300
00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,333
Whatever its, well, it is per unit because there's only one unit on the

301
00:16:43,433 --> 00:16:43,500
property.

302
00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:43,634
Got it.

303
00:16:43,634 --> 00:16:44,033
Understood.

304
00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:44,634
That's all.

305
00:16:44,934 --> 00:16:45,867
16 nine main street has not.

306
00:16:45,900 --> 00:16:47,300
That table was intended to.

307
00:16:48,367 --> 00:16:50,166
Dictate or demonstrate is that.

308
00:16:51,233 --> 00:16:53,100
Land area in each lot.

309
00:16:53,900 --> 00:16:55,533
Per unit of residential use there.

310
00:16:57,133 --> 00:16:57,367
Oh,

311
00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:58,333
okay.

312
00:16:58,533 --> 00:17:01,000
So you'll see that in a couple of places as you go down.

313
00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:02,433
For single family.

314
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,367
Dwellings on a single lot.

315
00:17:06,433 --> 00:17:07,900
Those basically

316
00:17:08,934 --> 00:17:11,867
equate to the entire lot area, because there's only a single unit on it

317
00:17:12,934 --> 00:17:13,100
Okay.

318
00:17:13,700 --> 00:17:14,767
I'm not quite sure how that,

319
00:17:15,567 --> 00:17:18,033
and then just one question on the.

320
00:17:19,266 --> 00:17:20,033
The map there.

321
00:17:20,100 --> 00:17:20,133
Yes.

322
00:17:20,367 --> 00:17:22,634
The, the diagram or whatever you call that thing.

323
00:17:23,634 --> 00:17:28,500
You have a dimension in here for the width of the driveway, but not

324
00:17:28,667 --> 00:17:29,767
the length of the driveway.

325
00:17:30,033 --> 00:17:30,100
So.

326
00:17:31,066 --> 00:17:34,900
How long is the driveway from where the garage is out to where I'm

327
00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:35,066
sorry.

328
00:17:35,834 --> 00:17:37,000
The pulling to where the.

329
00:17:38,100 --> 00:17:38,033
Yes.

330
00:17:41,033 --> 00:17:42,367
20 feet, 20 feet.

331
00:17:42,367 --> 00:17:42,734
Okay.

332
00:17:42,734 --> 00:17:43,100
Thank you.

333
00:17:44,900 --> 00:17:46,133
This is gonna be really annoying.

334
00:17:46,233 --> 00:17:48,500
The person who created this spreadsheet is in the room.

335
00:17:49,533 --> 00:17:49,767
Yes.

336
00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,066
Got a calculator with you.

337
00:17:53,133 --> 00:17:53,000
Sure.

338
00:17:53,433 --> 00:17:56,433
I'm gonna ask you to do no. Stay sit. You're good. You're good

339
00:17:56,533 --> 00:17:57,900
I'm gonna ask you to do something.

340
00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:02,266
1 2, 3 and four on your map are in a different zone.

341
00:18:03,367 --> 00:18:04,767
They're in a commercial zone.

342
00:18:04,767 --> 00:18:06,000
They're not in the R two zone.

343
00:18:07,066 --> 00:18:10,433
Would you be willing to recalculate that 62 24 number?

344
00:18:11,233 --> 00:18:12,900
Without 1 23 and four.

345
00:18:14,467 --> 00:18:15,500
And if you can do that.

346
00:18:16,867 --> 00:18:21,300
An attorney Kovic can speak slowly until you get that done, perhaps.

347
00:18:22,867 --> 00:18:25,900
If you think you can do that, that would be interesting information to have

348
00:18:26,700 --> 00:18:29,100
And with that request, sir, I'll turn it over to you.

349
00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:31,100
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

350
00:18:31,100 --> 00:18:31,834
Good evening.

351
00:18:32,767 --> 00:18:34,300
And good evening to all members of the board.

352
00:18:35,233 --> 00:18:35,734
John Kovic

353
00:18:36,367 --> 00:18:38,100
council of representing chin.

354
00:18:38,867 --> 00:18:42,266
I I'm not going to re-argue all of the variance points.

355
00:18:44,033 --> 00:18:45,066
You're familiar with,

356
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:46,533
I am sure.

357
00:18:46,834 --> 00:18:50,066
I just want to address a couple other points that came up at the

358
00:18:50,066 --> 00:18:50,734
last meeting.

359
00:18:51,634 --> 00:18:53,266
The, the board was act asking.

360
00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:54,100
Very

361
00:18:55,066 --> 00:18:58,033
practical questions about the impact of this.

362
00:18:59,066 --> 00:18:59,066
On housing,

363
00:19:00,066 --> 00:19:01,500
availability of housing.

364
00:19:02,834 --> 00:19:05,000
I, I sense there was some concern.

365
00:19:05,700 --> 00:19:08,100
About tenants in, in this property.

366
00:19:09,133 --> 00:19:10,133
Being displaced.

367
00:19:11,433 --> 00:19:13,867
And as I indicated in my letter to the board,

368
00:19:15,767 --> 00:19:18,300
there is only one at will tenant.

369
00:19:19,433 --> 00:19:20,000
Still remaining

370
00:19:20,867 --> 00:19:21,300
in the

371
00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,066
the out of the seven dwelling units.

372
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:26,533
Six of them.

373
00:19:27,033 --> 00:19:29,300
They, they VA vacated voluntarily.

374
00:19:30,367 --> 00:19:32,100
We don't know if they stayed.

375
00:19:32,934 --> 00:19:34,900
In Exeter or moved elsewhere.

376
00:19:35,834 --> 00:19:36,867
But effectively.

377
00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:39,066
The loss of any units.

378
00:19:40,166 --> 00:19:42,000
Has already been absorbed by the market.

379
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:43,066
And

380
00:19:44,100 --> 00:19:44,533
this is

381
00:19:45,333 --> 00:19:46,767
new units coming on.

382
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,300
But you're releasing the units.

383
00:19:51,734 --> 00:19:53,166
So the units are still available.

384
00:19:54,834 --> 00:19:56,667
Because of the maintenance and the condition.

385
00:19:57,533 --> 00:20:00,066
Chin is not intending to receive at all.

386
00:20:00,667 --> 00:20:03,166
Think we should tell Zillow to clean up their act.

387
00:20:04,266 --> 00:20:05,300
That's probably true.

388
00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:06,033
They've got three.

389
00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:10,100
They've got, I think three of them currently listed as available for rent, Dave

390
00:20:11,066 --> 00:20:12,333
They should not be if they are

391
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:13,300
interesting.

392
00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:13,834
Okay.

393
00:20:14,867 --> 00:20:14,867
I,

394
00:20:15,700 --> 00:20:19,000
the next thing I wanna talk about in, in my letter to the board

395
00:20:20,033 --> 00:20:20,333
I did cite

396
00:20:21,033 --> 00:20:23,767
one court case, which seemed to be the only.

397
00:20:24,767 --> 00:20:25,300
Analogous case

398
00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:28,834
where the issue was.

399
00:20:29,900 --> 00:20:31,000
Two nonconforming lots.

400
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,100
Lots and they were, there were two, lots were being combined.

401
00:20:39,066 --> 00:20:43,333
They needed a variance to St. Two variances to still be able to build

402
00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:44,000
on them.

403
00:20:44,934 --> 00:20:45,834
And the court held

404
00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:47,066
that

405
00:20:48,367 --> 00:20:48,867
a board.

406
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:50,767
Should grant variances.

407
00:20:52,033 --> 00:20:54,033
Says where it would otherwise reduce.

408
00:20:54,433 --> 00:20:55,300
Non-conformity.

409
00:20:56,867 --> 00:20:57,333
It was

410
00:20:58,767 --> 00:20:59,500
somewhat discretionary.

411
00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:02,066
So I can't say you are a hundred percent.

412
00:21:03,066 --> 00:21:03,166
Obligated,

413
00:21:04,033 --> 00:21:05,066
but I can't say.

414
00:21:06,133 --> 00:21:06,367
The

415
00:21:08,166 --> 00:21:10,166
intent or recommendation of the court.

416
00:21:11,433 --> 00:21:12,567
Was, if you could

417
00:21:13,333 --> 00:21:14,734
reduce non-conformity

418
00:21:15,634 --> 00:21:16,867
and in that first meeting.

419
00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:19,033
I thought just reducing.

420
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,133
The number of dwelling units.

421
00:21:22,300 --> 00:21:23,433
Would be sufficient and I never.

422
00:21:24,567 --> 00:21:26,100
Even argued about the setbacks.

423
00:21:27,433 --> 00:21:29,066
Setbacks, but there were two nonconforming setbacks.

424
00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:30,500
Setbacks plus

425
00:21:31,767 --> 00:21:34,033
seven dwell eggs that are non-conforming.

426
00:21:34,867 --> 00:21:35,867
That are going down to.

427
00:21:38,133 --> 00:21:38,867
Five units.

428
00:21:39,367 --> 00:21:40,266
So it is.

429
00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:42,066
A significant

430
00:21:42,834 --> 00:21:43,433
improvement.

431
00:21:44,467 --> 00:21:45,333
On on

432
00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:48,367
the

433
00:21:49,066 --> 00:21:50,066
nonconformity.

434
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,567
The the next thing.

435
00:21:52,900 --> 00:21:56,667
And, and I know with the recalculated number and I suspect what the chair

436
00:21:56,667 --> 00:21:57,033
was doing.

437
00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:02,033
Is wanting to get a picture.

438
00:22:03,066 --> 00:22:03,667
Of density.

439
00:22:05,133 --> 00:22:06,533
Just in the residential zone.

440
00:22:07,433 --> 00:22:09,100
We were trying to present the board.

441
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:12,033
A practical picture of density.

442
00:22:12,934 --> 00:22:13,033
In the area,

443
00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:16,000
because it really is a transition zone.

444
00:22:18,133 --> 00:22:19,100
So we did not.

445
00:22:20,033 --> 00:22:20,834
Concentrate on

446
00:22:22,100 --> 00:22:22,834
just the nearby

447
00:22:23,433 --> 00:22:24,066
residential.

448
00:22:25,133 --> 00:22:25,000
Density,

449
00:22:25,934 --> 00:22:28,066
but the, the overall density.

450
00:22:28,934 --> 00:22:29,000
Of

451
00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:32,567
all the buildings nearby.

452
00:22:34,233 --> 00:22:38,066
And, and, and finally, and I, I am somewhat hesitant.

453
00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:40,533
To bring this up.

454
00:22:41,433 --> 00:22:45,266
Because it is not binding on this board as a board.

455
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:49,033
But I do have to give you a little bit of history.

456
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:51,100
About how Ginsburg

457
00:22:52,166 --> 00:22:53,033
bought this property.

458
00:22:55,433 --> 00:22:56,900
Prior to purchasing it.

459
00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:58,000
Chin Berg

460
00:22:59,066 --> 00:23:00,433
went with a conceptual.

461
00:23:01,533 --> 00:23:03,066
Review with the planning.

462
00:23:03,834 --> 00:23:03,834
Board

463
00:23:04,433 --> 00:23:05,533
and the interim planner.

464
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,533
And never thought variances were needed.

465
00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:11,767
Because it was

466
00:23:13,233 --> 00:23:14,834
solely a reduction.

467
00:23:15,634 --> 00:23:16,900
Of non-conformity

468
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,634
the view on that has changed.

469
00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:23,066
And we're trying to respect the process with you.

470
00:23:24,033 --> 00:23:26,066
But, but I will tell you, these are.

471
00:23:27,100 --> 00:23:28,834
Very important variances.

472
00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:30,100
Variances

473
00:23:30,667 --> 00:23:31,433
cuz otherwise

474
00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,634
it is a lot right now.

475
00:23:34,467 --> 00:23:37,533
That Stenberg never would've bought and never spent the money on.

476
00:23:39,734 --> 00:23:43,000
Not binding it on you and said with all respect.

477
00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:43,533
Right.

478
00:23:43,767 --> 00:23:46,000
But I wanted to put that.

479
00:23:46,667 --> 00:23:48,166
Perspective on the history.

480
00:23:50,033 --> 00:23:50,900
mTOR it is.

481
00:23:51,834 --> 00:23:52,166
I I know.

482
00:23:52,367 --> 00:23:52,734
Okay.

483
00:23:52,867 --> 00:23:54,033
I I'm, I'm not saying.

484
00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:56,667
That you should

485
00:23:57,667 --> 00:23:59,533
do something wrong to save.

486
00:23:59,667 --> 00:24:00,066
Thank you.

487
00:24:00,233 --> 00:24:00,734
Issues.

488
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,867
We won't we'll try really hard.

489
00:24:03,100 --> 00:24:04,133
We'll try really hard.

490
00:24:04,133 --> 00:24:05,533
Not to, no, I I'm.

491
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:06,900
I'm not, I'm not suggesting that.

492
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:07,100
Yeah.

493
00:24:07,133 --> 00:24:07,300
Okay.

494
00:24:08,467 --> 00:24:08,834
Okay,

495
00:24:09,634 --> 00:24:11,900
copy Mr. Chairman, if I may, just before the

496
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:13,667
issue goes cold.

497
00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:15,266
I have the information.

498
00:24:15,533 --> 00:24:15,867
Thank you.

499
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,266
Calculated without the.

500
00:24:18,300 --> 00:24:18,300
Commercial.

501
00:24:18,834 --> 00:24:23,066
Thank you, properties, you, and that changes the average square foot.

502
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:24,567
Per unit.

503
00:24:25,066 --> 00:24:27,000
So land area on a given lot.

504
00:24:28,033 --> 00:24:29,834
Per unit of density, residential density.

505
00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:31,133
At six,

506
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,000
6,798.

507
00:24:35,166 --> 00:24:37,266
And again, in our proposed condition.

508
00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:40,667
We wind up at 7,318.

509
00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:41,000
So

510
00:24:41,767 --> 00:24:44,100
slightly more land area per unit with the five.

511
00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:50,033
The existing with the seven residential units on that property would still be.

512
00:24:51,066 --> 00:24:52,567
Below that mm-hmm that average.

513
00:24:53,900 --> 00:24:55,667
So you're about 10% over.

514
00:24:56,767 --> 00:24:56,767
Correct.

515
00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:02,433
Someone will get their calculator out and tell me it's actually 8%, but

516
00:25:03,567 --> 00:25:05,166
I think you're about 10% over.

517
00:25:08,233 --> 00:25:10,667
Yeah, roughly 68 more land.

518
00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:11,533
68 and 68.

519
00:25:11,533 --> 00:25:11,767
Yes.

520
00:25:11,767 --> 00:25:12,734
Yeah, almost exactly.

521
00:25:12,734 --> 00:25:13,066
Yeah.

522
00:25:13,066 --> 00:25:13,367
Okay.

523
00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:15,433
Nine

524
00:25:16,567 --> 00:25:16,567
thank you.

525
00:25:16,634 --> 00:25:18,000
I appreciate your both doing that.

526
00:25:18,033 --> 00:25:18,333
Thank you.

527
00:25:18,367 --> 00:25:19,667
That's useful information.

528
00:25:21,767 --> 00:25:22,533
Are you all set?

529
00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:23,066
I'm all.

530
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,634
I'm all set.

531
00:25:23,634 --> 00:25:26,500
Unless there's specific questions for me, I think there might be.

532
00:25:27,867 --> 00:25:30,433
Before we move to public session to.

533
00:25:32,066 --> 00:25:32,333
Public

534
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:33,133
testimony.

535
00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:35,100
Do we have any further questions for the applicant?

536
00:25:39,133 --> 00:25:40,266
Adam, John.

537
00:25:41,567 --> 00:25:41,900
Nope.

538
00:25:42,767 --> 00:25:43,266
Have anything.

539
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:44,133
Lauren.

540
00:25:44,333 --> 00:25:45,033
I said, Nope.

541
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:45,266
Nope.

542
00:25:45,834 --> 00:25:46,000
Okay.

543
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:46,900
Thank you very much.

544
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000
At this point, we will

545
00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:49,634
hear from the public.

546
00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,367
And then we'll ask you to come back and.

547
00:25:53,533 --> 00:25:56,367
Rebut, if you will or say thank you as the case may be.

548
00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:01,667
So, if anyone from the public would like to address the board, this is

549
00:26:01,667 --> 00:26:02,367
your opportunity.

550
00:26:02,467 --> 00:26:04,100
Please come to the microphone.

551
00:26:05,166 --> 00:26:08,133
And tell us who you are and where you live.

552
00:26:09,634 --> 00:26:10,300
And have at it.

553
00:26:12,033 --> 00:26:12,133
Hello.

554
00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:13,100
I'm Karen Fisher.

555
00:26:13,634 --> 00:26:16,767
I live at 61 main street right next to the property that we're talking

556
00:26:16,767 --> 00:26:17,033
about.

557
00:26:18,367 --> 00:26:19,266
Thank you for the opportunity.

558
00:26:19,266 --> 00:26:20,367
I'd like to read my letter.

559
00:26:21,133 --> 00:26:23,000
That I had sent to you in regards to.

560
00:26:23,834 --> 00:26:25,333
You're at 61 Ms. Fisher main street.

561
00:26:25,367 --> 00:26:25,634
Yep.

562
00:26:25,634 --> 00:26:26,100
Thanks.

563
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:28,300
Please.

564
00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:30,734
Okay.Do you members of the zoning committee?

565
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,834
I hope you are well in writing this letter to express my strong opposition

566
00:26:34,934 --> 00:26:37,133
to the variance proposed for the property nexus.

567
00:26:37,533 --> 00:26:38,133
To 61 main street

568
00:26:39,133 --> 00:26:42,867
as a resident, resident of Exeter living in main street, I believe it's crucial

569
00:26:42,934 --> 00:26:45,533
that the zoning board respect the R two.

570
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,734
Single family zone in which this property sits.

571
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:53,266
Sits the applicant is requesting a significant increase to five units.

572
00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:56,000
Where only a single family home is appropriate.

573
00:26:57,133 --> 00:27:00,567
This property is in fact, a gateway to the zone two, the R two

574
00:27:00,567 --> 00:27:04,767
zone and is imperative that we protect the boundaries by enforcing these zone restrictions

575
00:27:06,066 --> 00:27:07,266
Zones exist for a reason.

576
00:27:08,166 --> 00:27:10,767
To maintain the character and diversity of neighborhoods.

577
00:27:11,133 --> 00:27:13,367
And this proposed variance will star tree road.

578
00:27:13,367 --> 00:27:14,033
That character.

579
00:27:15,233 --> 00:27:19,533
If this variance were approved, we will be deviating from the very intention of

580
00:27:19,533 --> 00:27:20,000
the zone.

581
00:27:20,767 --> 00:27:24,266
Allowing for a dangerous precedent of development, developmental creep.

582
00:27:25,667 --> 00:27:29,734
This would not only decrease the aesthetic and historical charm of our neighborhood.

583
00:27:30,667 --> 00:27:33,033
But also reduce the diversity of our population.

584
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:36,667
Displacing residents of various incomes and walks of life.

585
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:43,066
Most importantly, after reviewing the applicant's presentation at the last meeting.

586
00:27:43,834 --> 00:27:46,066
I feel their argument was not supported by data.

587
00:27:47,066 --> 00:27:50,767
Many of their comments were based on assumptions and in fact were misleading.

588
00:27:51,834 --> 00:27:54,667
I would also like to highlight that while I did attend that meeting.

589
00:27:55,634 --> 00:27:58,166
The legal process of notifying a butters was compromised.

590
00:27:59,066 --> 00:28:01,567
The certified letter addressed was not legible.

591
00:28:02,667 --> 00:28:05,667
I am not sure if this was a one-off or a regular practice by

592
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:06,166
developers.

593
00:28:07,066 --> 00:28:09,500
But is crucial that the town reviews and strengthens this process.

594
00:28:10,300 --> 00:28:11,300
And I have that letter for your review.

595
00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:11,867
If you'd like,

596
00:28:13,033 --> 00:28:17,000
I respectfully urge the board to deny this variance request and to uphold the

597
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,133
integrity of the zoned R two zone.

598
00:28:20,333 --> 00:28:21,266
I appreciate your time.

599
00:28:21,367 --> 00:28:23,266
And I have more detail specifically.

600
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,767
Reviewing each of the points that were made at the last meeting, if you

601
00:28:26,767 --> 00:28:27,634
don't mind me reading them.

602
00:28:28,934 --> 00:28:29,367
That would be fine.

603
00:28:29,367 --> 00:28:31,634
Could you explain what the issue was with the letter?

604
00:28:31,900 --> 00:28:34,266
Was it just poor photocopy here or something?

605
00:28:34,433 --> 00:28:35,166
Is that what you're talking about?

606
00:28:35,233 --> 00:28:36,100
You can't read the.

607
00:28:37,133 --> 00:28:41,066
Address at all, they weren't using a laser printer to book, to print out

608
00:28:41,066 --> 00:28:41,734
their labels.

609
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:45,100
It was a probably 1980 technology and it.

610
00:28:45,533 --> 00:28:45,734
Was totally

611
00:28:46,767 --> 00:28:48,533
you couldn't see it as if they put a sponge to it.

612
00:28:48,533 --> 00:28:49,333
You just label on the letter.

613
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,000
So I never received it.

614
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:52,867
Registered mail.

615
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,634
The developer one at a time, you don't do it.

616
00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:56,567
Hang on everyone.

617
00:28:57,266 --> 00:28:59,734
Everyone, the only person who speaks is the one who is at the microphone

618
00:28:59,734 --> 00:29:00,500
So I so brought it with me.

619
00:29:01,066 --> 00:29:01,333
See,

620
00:29:02,100 --> 00:29:04,033
you can see, see what it looks like, or actually doesn't look like Meg

621
00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:04,367
approach.

622
00:29:04,634 --> 00:29:05,000
Sure.

623
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:06,100
It was delivered to you.

624
00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:07,500
You did receive you not delivered.

625
00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:09,100
We had to go and find it all right.

626
00:29:09,133 --> 00:29:11,300
But it was, you did receive this in time.

627
00:29:11,567 --> 00:29:12,300
Nope, we did not.

628
00:29:12,634 --> 00:29:13,567
We had to go and.

629
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,100
Recover it, the only reason we knew about the meeting was because our neighbor

630
00:29:17,367 --> 00:29:19,433
actually happened to say, hello, are you going to the meeting?

631
00:29:21,734 --> 00:29:23,433
So I want to make sure you saw that.

632
00:29:25,333 --> 00:29:25,667
Okay.

633
00:29:27,433 --> 00:29:33,100
Examples of misleading statements and unsupported, unsupported assumptions, and lack of due diligence on

634
00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:34,033
the various application.

635
00:29:34,033 --> 00:29:35,033
Here is my.

636
00:29:35,834 --> 00:29:40,000
Comment on that number one incomplete description of the neighborhood contacts.

637
00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:43,367
The application states that the property at 65.

638
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,500
67 main street is bordered by one side.

639
00:29:47,233 --> 00:29:48,734
On one side by the C one zone.

640
00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:53,567
Which allows multi-family housing and notes that the adjacent law is intensely developed.

641
00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:57,667
This statement, pre presented only part of the surrounding context.

642
00:29:58,467 --> 00:30:01,033
The application fails to acknowledge the neighboring properties.

643
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:03,133
Located within the R two zone.

644
00:30:04,166 --> 00:30:07,367
Particularly adjacent residential property of 61 main street.

645
00:30:08,467 --> 00:30:10,867
By focusing on the neighboring commercial zone.

646
00:30:11,634 --> 00:30:16,500
While omitting discussion of nearby single family, residential properties within the same zoning district

647
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:22,000
The application creates a misleading impression regarding the character of the immediate neighborhood.

648
00:30:23,133 --> 00:30:27,734
The zoning board should evaluate the proposal based on its impact on all abutting

649
00:30:27,734 --> 00:30:28,066
properties.

650
00:30:29,133 --> 00:30:33,567
Especially those located within the R two zone that are intended to be protected

651
00:30:33,634 --> 00:30:35,333
by the existing zoning regulation.

652
00:30:37,133 --> 00:30:41,000
Misleading claims regarding reduced non-conformity and neighborhood impact.

653
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:48,100
The application states that replacing the existing structures with five separate dwelling units would

654
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,433
reduce non-conformity.

655
00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:52,033
And result in less impact on the neighborhood.

656
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,734
This conclusion is questionable.

657
00:30:55,834 --> 00:30:59,834
Well, the number of dwelling units may be reduced from seven to five.

658
00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:06,634
The proposal introduces five separate residential buildings where three buildings currently exist.

659
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,634
The increase in the number of structures changes the development pattern.

660
00:31:12,367 --> 00:31:15,734
On the site and intensifies the built footprint.

661
00:31:16,934 --> 00:31:17,500
In addition.

662
00:31:18,867 --> 00:31:24,033
The proposed design would create significant visual impacts on adjacent residential properties.

663
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,100
A particular concern are the approximately and I need to correct my number here

664
00:31:29,166 --> 00:31:30,300
12 foot wide.

665
00:31:30,300 --> 00:31:31,500
Second story decks.

666
00:31:32,567 --> 00:31:34,066
Decks facing 61 main street.

667
00:31:35,066 --> 00:31:40,033
These elevated outdoor spaces would increase visibility into neighboring yards and homes.

668
00:31:41,133 --> 00:31:41,634
Homes, reducing privacy

669
00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:46,567
and alter altering the residential character currently enjoyed by the abutters.

670
00:31:47,634 --> 00:31:49,266
Butters, therefore the assertion that the.

671
00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:54,867
Proposal would have less impact on the neighborhood is not supported by the actual

672
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:55,367
site plan.

673
00:31:56,166 --> 00:31:57,667
And it's effect on neighboring properties.

674
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:03,867
Number three unsupported claim that five units are necessary for feasible development.

675
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:10,300
The application asserts that it is not cost effective or feasible to rebuild on

676
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:11,567
the existing foundations.

677
00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:15,867
And that development with fewer than five units simply cannot be done.

678
00:32:17,233 --> 00:32:20,100
No evidence has been presented support this conclusion.

679
00:32:21,133 --> 00:32:24,066
The application provides no financial analysis,

680
00:32:24,734 --> 00:32:27,834
engineering study or independent evaluation demonstrating.

681
00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:35,033
That restoration renovation or redevelopment consistent with the existing zoning regulations is impossible.

682
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:40,900
Many older homes throughout Exeter have been successfully.

683
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:44,000
Restored renovated and returned to productive use.

684
00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:47,533
Historic and older properties are routinely.

685
00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:50,266
Rehabilitated and marketed successfully.

686
00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:56,533
A well restored residential property in this neighborhood would be both desirable and marketable

687
00:32:58,033 --> 00:33:00,533
The statement that five dwelling units are required.

688
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:06,066
Required appears to reflect the developer's preferred financial outcome rather than a true hard

689
00:33:06,133 --> 00:33:08,266
hardship related to the land itself.

690
00:33:09,133 --> 00:33:10,567
Financial considerations.

691
00:33:11,433 --> 00:33:12,834
Alone should not justify a variance.

692
00:33:14,133 --> 00:33:15,000
Furthermore.

693
00:33:16,033 --> 00:33:19,166
Zoning restrictions applicable to the property were in prep place.

694
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,266
Prior to Ginsburg's purchase.

695
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:26,900
The limitations of the R two zone were noble through reasonable due diligence.

696
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,667
A person, a purchaser's desire to maximize

697
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,000
maximize return on investment.

698
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:36,000
Should not constitute grounds for relief.

699
00:33:36,767 --> 00:33:38,000
Relief of zoning requirements.

700
00:33:39,166 --> 00:33:43,266
If the property cannot be developed in a manner that complies with the intent

701
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:44,500
of the R two zone.

702
00:33:45,700 --> 00:33:47,634
And still meet the developer's business objectives.

703
00:33:48,567 --> 00:33:51,533
Objectives another option would be to market the property to a purchaser.

704
00:33:52,367 --> 00:33:55,500
Whose plans are consistent with the existing zoning regulations.

705
00:33:57,467 --> 00:34:00,634
My response to the applicant's discussion on the variance criteria.

706
00:34:01,934 --> 00:34:03,166
The applicant's discussion.

707
00:34:04,166 --> 00:34:05,300
Relies heavily on opinion.

708
00:34:06,467 --> 00:34:10,000
Assumptions and unsupported conclusions rather than objective evidence.

709
00:34:11,066 --> 00:34:16,033
The board should carefully evaluate whether the required legal standards for granting a variance

710
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:17,166
has actually been met.

711
00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:22,367
The first one, the variants will not be contrary to the public interest.

712
00:34:23,433 --> 00:34:28,834
The applicant argues that replacing the existing buildings with new construction serves the public

713
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,367
interest because the project will be aesthetic.

714
00:34:31,834 --> 00:34:33,567
Aesthetically pleasing, improve safety.

715
00:34:34,667 --> 00:34:36,100
Reduce non-conformity and create housing.

716
00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:41,000
These assertions are largely subjective and unsupported by evidence.

717
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:46,000
While reasonable people will, may agree that improvements to the property would be beneficial

718
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:50,767
That alone does not establish that the proposed variance serves the public interest.

719
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:55,433
The property currently has adequate access and driveway access.

720
00:34:56,367 --> 00:35:01,500
No evidence has been presented, demonstrating a public safety concern requiring the proposed redevelopment

721
00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:04,900
The applicant also argues that the project.

722
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:06,533
Reduces non-conformity.

723
00:35:07,033 --> 00:35:09,100
However, this claim is misleading.

724
00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:13,767
While the number of dwelling units may be reduced from seven to five.

725
00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:20,000
The proposal increases the number of principle residential structures from 3 25.

726
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,767
The board should consider whether adding additional buildings within the R two district truly

727
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:28,533
reduces the overall non.

728
00:35:29,133 --> 00:35:30,300
Non-conformity nature of the property.

729
00:35:32,533 --> 00:35:37,000
The need for additional housing in New Hampshire is a broad policy issue and should

730
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,300
not be used to justify a variance that.

731
00:35:39,634 --> 00:35:40,066
Is inconsistent

732
00:35:40,934 --> 00:35:43,900
with the purpose and intent of R two zoning district.

733
00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:46,367
Number two.

734
00:35:47,233 --> 00:35:48,867
The spirit of the ordinance is observed.

735
00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:55,066
The spirit of the ordinance is not observed merely because new buildings are proposed

736
00:35:56,700 --> 00:35:58,533
The purpose of the R two district.

737
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:02,300
Is to preserve and maintain the character of residential neighborhoods.

738
00:36:03,233 --> 00:36:08,433
Neighborhoods, the applicant repeatedly compares the project to development located in the adjacent.

739
00:36:09,333 --> 00:36:14,567
C one district while giving little consideration to neighboring properties within the R two

740
00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:15,033
district.

741
00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:17,867
This property serves as a gateway.

742
00:36:18,667 --> 00:36:20,166
Into the R two residential neighborhood.

743
00:36:21,367 --> 00:36:23,900
The appropriate comparison is not to.

744
00:36:24,767 --> 00:36:27,033
More intensive development in the commercial zone.

745
00:36:28,033 --> 00:36:30,066
But to the surrounding residential properties.

746
00:36:30,867 --> 00:36:32,333
That the ordinance was designed to protect.

747
00:36:33,934 --> 00:36:37,367
The proposed development introduces five separate residential buildings.

748
00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:42,066
Buildings on a lot where only one single dwelling would be permitted under current

749
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:42,533
zoning.

750
00:36:43,634 --> 00:36:47,767
This is in inconsistent with the spirit and intent of the ordinance.

751
00:36:49,667 --> 00:36:50,300
Substantial.

752
00:36:51,233 --> 00:36:52,100
Justice is done.

753
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:57,900
The applicant claims there is no hardship or injury to the public interest associated

754
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:58,634
with the proposal.

755
00:36:59,634 --> 00:36:59,900
However

756
00:37:00,667 --> 00:37:01,734
substantial justice.

757
00:37:02,467 --> 00:37:06,634
Must consider the impact on neighboring property owners, as well as the applicant.

758
00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:09,000
Adjacent property owners.

759
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,266
Would experience significant impacts including.

760
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,300
Increased building mass near property lines.

761
00:37:16,166 --> 00:37:17,834
Additional building height.

762
00:37:18,867 --> 00:37:21,500
Second story Dex facing neighboring homes and yards.

763
00:37:22,667 --> 00:37:23,133
Yards loss of privacy

764
00:37:24,166 --> 00:37:27,634
changes to the established residential character of this neighborhood.

765
00:37:28,734 --> 00:37:33,000
The interests of neighboring property owners should be weighed equally with the interests of

766
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,533
the developer.

767
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:39,033
Ranting the variance would impose burdens on a butters while providing a financial benefit

768
00:37:39,133 --> 00:37:40,033
to the applicant.

769
00:37:40,934 --> 00:37:42,033
Under these circumstances.

770
00:37:43,066 --> 00:37:45,066
Substantial justice is not achieved.

771
00:37:46,100 --> 00:37:49,000
Achieved the values of surrounding properties are not diminished.

772
00:37:50,033 --> 00:37:53,433
The applicant states that surrounding property values would improve.

773
00:37:53,867 --> 00:37:57,333
And there is nothing about the project that would lessen property Val values.

774
00:37:58,233 --> 00:38:03,367
No evidence, appraisal or expert testimony has been provided to support this conclusion.

775
00:38:04,333 --> 00:38:06,900
Property value impacts cannot simply be assumed.

776
00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:10,834
Many buyers are attracted to the R two district.

777
00:38:11,634 --> 00:38:13,100
Because of its residential character.

778
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:14,100
Privacy

779
00:38:15,066 --> 00:38:17,266
scale and neighbor, neighborhood setting.

780
00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:22,300
Development that increases density introduces additional structures.

781
00:38:23,433 --> 00:38:23,433
Structures

782
00:38:24,233 --> 00:38:27,367
and creates direct privacy impacts may negatively.

783
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:30,266
Affect the desirability of neighboring properties.

784
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,667
Without competent evidence.

785
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,333
The board should not accept the applicant's claim that the surrounding property values will

786
00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:38,066
be improved.

787
00:38:39,066 --> 00:38:43,266
Improved literal enforcement of the ordinance does not create unnecessary hardship.

788
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:49,667
The applicant argues that there EV existing, excuse me, the applicant argues that the

789
00:38:49,667 --> 00:38:51,033
existence of three buildings.

790
00:38:52,166 --> 00:38:55,367
Buildings and three foundations is a unique condition, creating hardship.

791
00:38:56,367 --> 00:38:56,567
However,

792
00:38:57,433 --> 00:39:00,634
multiple structures on a lot are not unusual in this area.

793
00:39:01,533 --> 00:39:06,033
There are other properties when the R two district that contain multiple buildings and

794
00:39:06,033 --> 00:39:06,900
accessory structures.

795
00:39:08,033 --> 00:39:11,266
Structures the presence of three existing buildings does not by itself.

796
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,066
Create a unique hardship distinguishing this property from others in the neighborhood.

797
00:39:17,867 --> 00:39:21,667
The applicant also claims that the property does not lend itself to a single

798
00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:22,367
family home.

799
00:39:23,233 --> 00:39:24,567
Because of the value of the land.

800
00:39:25,533 --> 00:39:28,000
No evidence is presented to support this assertion.

801
00:39:29,133 --> 00:39:33,000
The R two district is a highly desirable residential area.

802
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:39,033
Properties within the district, provide housing opportunities for residents of varying incomes.

803
00:39:40,033 --> 00:39:42,266
Incomes and contribute to the diversity and character of our community.

804
00:39:43,066 --> 00:39:48,033
The fact that a more intensive development would generate greater financial returns for the

805
00:39:48,033 --> 00:39:51,000
applicant does not constitute a hardship under the.

806
00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:51,767
Variance standards.

807
00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:59,066
Furthermore, the applicant does not, has not demonstrated that the property cannot be reasonably

808
00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:01,100
used in compliance with the ordinance.

809
00:40:02,266 --> 00:40:04,066
Existing buildings can be restored.

810
00:40:05,133 --> 00:40:09,266
Renovated or redeveloped in a manner, more consistent within the zoning requirements.

811
00:40:10,634 --> 00:40:15,734
Numerous older homes throughout Exeter have been successfully rehabilitated and returned to productive use

812
00:40:16,934 --> 00:40:22,033
The claim hardship appears to arise from the applicant's development objectives, rather than from

813
00:40:22,033 --> 00:40:24,767
any unique physical characteristics of the land itself.

814
00:40:26,500 --> 00:40:29,767
The applicant's request relies on a series of unsupported assumptions.

815
00:40:30,867 --> 00:40:33,333
Assumptions, including claims that their project will improve property values.

816
00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,433
Serve the public interests, reduce neighborhood impacts and satisfy the hardship standard.

817
00:40:39,433 --> 00:40:43,567
The application does not provide sufficient factual evidence to support these conclusions.

818
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:50,000
The proposed development is inconsistent with the purpose and character of our two district

819
00:40:51,066 --> 00:40:53,166
Would create adverse impacts on the neighboring properties.

820
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:59,033
And fails to demonstrate the unnecessary hardship required for granting a variance.

821
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,667
And for these reasons, the variance application should be denied.

822
00:41:03,433 --> 00:41:05,000
I'd also like to comment on the letter.

823
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:06,033
That was put,

824
00:41:07,166 --> 00:41:08,533
put in before you move on.

825
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:10,333
Do you have copies of that for us?

826
00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:10,900
I do.

827
00:41:11,066 --> 00:41:11,634
Thank you.

828
00:41:12,734 --> 00:41:14,667
We did get a copy, but it was incomplete.

829
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,300
At one point, I think before the last meeting mm-hmm but it wasn't

830
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:21,667
we got it here.

831
00:41:21,667 --> 00:41:22,000
Right.

832
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:23,533
But it wasn't complete it wasn't complete.

833
00:41:24,033 --> 00:41:26,033
It's not as complete as it's the version that I have.

834
00:41:26,033 --> 00:41:26,066
Thank you.

835
00:41:26,066 --> 00:41:26,767
Thank you very much.

836
00:41:28,767 --> 00:41:28,767
Thank you.

837
00:41:29,066 --> 00:41:29,634
Thank you.

838
00:41:33,867 --> 00:41:37,367
I would like to make comment on the letter that was presented after the

839
00:41:37,367 --> 00:41:37,634
meeting.

840
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:40,734
In regards to

841
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:47,000
in regards to the unoccupied units.

842
00:41:48,033 --> 00:41:49,333
That he, that was mentioned in that letter.

843
00:41:50,433 --> 00:41:52,300
I wanna make sure that is clear.

844
00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:55,734
It says there was a question about losing housing at present six of the

845
00:41:55,734 --> 00:41:57,500
seven units or an unoccupied.

846
00:41:57,934 --> 00:41:58,033
The.

847
00:41:58,467 --> 00:42:00,100
Tens voluntarily moved.

848
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:01,500
That is incorrect information.

849
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:06,333
I know my neighbors, they were, they had leases that were expired and they

850
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:08,033
were not allowed to renew their leases.

851
00:42:08,033 --> 00:42:10,133
So of course they had to find housing elsewhere.

852
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:13,133
We had displays a veteran.

853
00:42:13,634 --> 00:42:15,166
We displaced young couples.

854
00:42:15,266 --> 00:42:17,567
We used to displace a single father and their son.

855
00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:19,567
We displaced a teacher.

856
00:42:20,033 --> 00:42:23,667
We displaced someone who is works non-profit and makes and works for a community

857
00:42:23,667 --> 00:42:24,100
food bank.

858
00:42:24,133 --> 00:42:26,300
So there was a lot of people who needed that space.

859
00:42:27,066 --> 00:42:28,767
They did not leave on their own accord.

860
00:42:28,767 --> 00:42:30,567
They left because they did not have a lease.

861
00:42:32,433 --> 00:42:33,000
Now I'm finished.

862
00:42:34,567 --> 00:42:35,433
Thank you very much.

863
00:42:36,166 --> 00:42:37,000
Before she leaves.

864
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,667
Does anyone have a question for Ms. Fisher?

865
00:42:39,834 --> 00:42:39,900
Given the

866
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,634
nature of her testimony, any questions for her?

867
00:42:46,066 --> 00:42:46,834
Thank you, Mr. Fisher.

868
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:48,033
I really thank, appreciate your thought.

869
00:42:48,033 --> 00:42:49,567
Very welcome your time and, and thought on that.

870
00:42:51,233 --> 00:42:51,266
Not

871
00:42:54,166 --> 00:42:54,900
anyone else.

872
00:42:57,100 --> 00:42:58,367
I'm gonna lose a bit Baxter.

873
00:42:58,433 --> 00:43:01,767
I I'm gonna let you sit down and speak into the microphone for I'm

874
00:43:01,767 --> 00:43:03,734
Elizabeth extensive at home audience.

875
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,033
Elizabeth Baxter.

876
00:43:05,734 --> 00:43:09,433
I live at 69 main street and I too did not get my letter

877
00:43:09,467 --> 00:43:10,567
about the first meeting.

878
00:43:11,433 --> 00:43:12,867
Until after the meeting was over.

879
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,333
And I don't think I'm the only one that lives at 69 who didn't

880
00:43:17,333 --> 00:43:19,100
get it until the meeting was already over.

881
00:43:20,533 --> 00:43:22,767
They just put them in the mailboxes.

882
00:43:23,634 --> 00:43:24,133
After the fact.

883
00:43:24,767 --> 00:43:26,834
So 69 is the, the new units.

884
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:27,834
Yes.

885
00:43:27,867 --> 00:43:28,033
Okay.

886
00:43:31,033 --> 00:43:31,033
Is that all you wanted to say is that you didn't know?Yeah.

887
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,033
I just know we didn't get 'em.

888
00:43:33,033 --> 00:43:33,100
Okay.

889
00:43:33,533 --> 00:43:35,834
So after the meeting was over, so I didn't even.

890
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:36,567
Know about it.

891
00:43:38,667 --> 00:43:40,567
There's nothing else you want us to hear?

892
00:43:40,767 --> 00:43:42,000
Or you're, you're all set.

893
00:43:43,634 --> 00:43:44,000
Okay.

894
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,000
Let's I, I'm not a, I think that's a lot of houses to be

895
00:43:49,667 --> 00:43:53,834
Adjacent to what it's gonna look like, burn skyscraper heaven, but I mean,

896
00:43:54,667 --> 00:43:54,900
okay.

897
00:43:55,367 --> 00:43:56,066
Anyone else?

898
00:43:56,066 --> 00:43:57,033
Not my business, Doug.

899
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,867
Okay, please step up.

900
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,266
My name is Jessica O'Leary.

901
00:44:05,266 --> 00:44:08,834
I live at 15 south street and I was here for the previous.

902
00:44:09,133 --> 00:44:09,100
Meeting.

903
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:13,300
Basically, if I can just.

904
00:44:14,166 --> 00:44:14,734
Tag onto

905
00:44:15,567 --> 00:44:18,133
what Ms. Fisher said, I would pretty much.

906
00:44:20,066 --> 00:44:21,100
Reread what she wrote.

907
00:44:22,467 --> 00:44:23,767
And, and I agree with it completely.

908
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,667
The other thing I wanted to mention though, I, I come to a fair

909
00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:29,000
Amount of these meetings and planning board.

910
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:31,767
It's disappointing to me that this is a public hearing.

911
00:44:32,767 --> 00:44:34,500
And there's nothing that can be on the screen.

912
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:38,000
You guys have your, your copies of the pictures and the plot plan and

913
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:38,567
stuff like that.

914
00:44:39,433 --> 00:44:39,867
But it would've been nice.

915
00:44:39,867 --> 00:44:41,834
If there had been something on the screen for.

916
00:44:42,667 --> 00:44:45,867
The public to be able to see typically there is from people presenting.

917
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:47,266
So I find that.

918
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,567
Disappointing that there's no way for us to, you know, we can see it

919
00:44:51,567 --> 00:44:54,900
from a distance, but we can't actually see what the layout is.

920
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,066
But again,

921
00:44:56,367 --> 00:44:57,900
I would agree with Ms. Fisher.

922
00:44:58,667 --> 00:45:00,500
In that I don't, I don't see the hardship here.

923
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:03,867
You know, there's

924
00:45:04,767 --> 00:45:06,100
there's there's, there's plenty of things that can happen there.

925
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,500
And it is a residential spot.

926
00:45:08,567 --> 00:45:11,333
I mean, we have these, we have these codes and ordinances for a reason

927
00:45:11,433 --> 00:45:15,734
and there's three, there's three buildings on that property, but there wasn't a code

928
00:45:15,734 --> 00:45:16,100
back then.

929
00:45:17,367 --> 00:45:18,300
From my understanding.

930
00:45:19,066 --> 00:45:19,066
So

931
00:45:20,033 --> 00:45:23,433
I am in full agreement with what Mrs. Ms. Fisher said, thank you, Ms

932
00:45:23,433 --> 00:45:23,734
Oler.

933
00:45:23,734 --> 00:45:24,166
Appreciate it.

934
00:45:24,233 --> 00:45:25,000
Anyone else?

935
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:27,266
One more

936
00:45:29,133 --> 00:45:30,066
so I'm Donald Fisher.

937
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:31,433
I live at 61 main street.

938
00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:32,100
Mm-hmm .

939
00:45:32,934 --> 00:45:34,900
And I wanna talk a little bit about the data actually.

940
00:45:35,834 --> 00:45:36,000
As we go through.

941
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,266
So.

942
00:45:38,667 --> 00:45:41,767
You know, I believe again, we, as my wife indicated R two S are

943
00:45:41,767 --> 00:45:43,033
two, it should be maintained.

944
00:45:43,033 --> 00:45:44,634
Some level of integrity by exist.

945
00:45:44,767 --> 00:45:46,066
I realize there's three existing.

946
00:45:47,066 --> 00:45:47,166
Buildings there.

947
00:45:47,533 --> 00:45:51,100
But if I look at the proposal itself, the three existing buildings on the

948
00:45:51,133 --> 00:45:55,033
property have a combined footprint I'm talking footprint of around 35.

949
00:45:55,233 --> 00:45:55,834
Hundred square feet.

950
00:45:55,834 --> 00:45:59,266
Mm-hmm the builders proposal with the three units is to triple that.

951
00:46:00,066 --> 00:46:01,333
To roughly 9,000 square feet.

952
00:46:03,367 --> 00:46:05,133
That's about 1800 square feet per unit.

953
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:09,867
Likewise, the existing buildings contain 4,200 square feet of living space.

954
00:46:10,667 --> 00:46:15,100
While the new five structure would contain, provide about 15,000 square feet of living

955
00:46:15,133 --> 00:46:15,333
space.

956
00:46:16,133 --> 00:46:18,634
Go of those numbers again, lot coverage right now is.

957
00:46:19,066 --> 00:46:22,133
3,500 and it goes to, and, and, and it goes to about 9,000.

958
00:46:23,066 --> 00:46:23,066
Okay.

959
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:27,834
and the second number was living space, living space.

960
00:46:27,934 --> 00:46:31,567
The three existing units had around 4,200 square feet of living space.

961
00:46:31,734 --> 00:46:33,266
Again, 4,200.

962
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:34,767
42 0, 0.

963
00:46:34,934 --> 00:46:35,033
Yep.

964
00:46:36,033 --> 00:46:39,533
And the new structure is roughly 1500 square feet of living space.

965
00:46:39,667 --> 00:46:43,767
If, if the 15,000, 15,000, if the buyer would, would.

966
00:46:44,166 --> 00:46:47,734
Take the bonus room and would optional bonus room and convert it to a

967
00:46:47,734 --> 00:46:47,900
room.

968
00:46:49,166 --> 00:46:50,300
So it's roughly three times.

969
00:46:52,166 --> 00:46:53,667
So, and then I wanted to make a point.

970
00:46:54,467 --> 00:46:56,100
On the data from the sheet here.

971
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:59,033
Cause I looked at it and I looked through a couple things I saw

972
00:46:59,033 --> 00:46:59,266
wrong.

973
00:46:59,266 --> 00:47:01,567
One was the first four units where C1 mm-hmm .

974
00:47:01,567 --> 00:47:04,567
So I was gonna mention that and, and I did calculate another very close

975
00:47:04,567 --> 00:47:05,066
to what.

976
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:07,000
They calculated if he took that out.

977
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:10,300
But the second thing is, I don't think this data is appropriate to look

978
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,834
at in its existing, in existing.

979
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:13,767
And is this thing?

980
00:47:14,166 --> 00:47:17,066
Condition is treating unequal units as equal.

981
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,634
Units is equal producing density fingers that are often misleading.

982
00:47:20,667 --> 00:47:25,433
So I think that we're comparing, you know, units that are like four bedroom

983
00:47:26,467 --> 00:47:27,033
Four, one bedroom units,

984
00:47:27,767 --> 00:47:29,066
apartments to a

985
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:32,567
five, three bedroom, four bedroom single family house.

986
00:47:33,533 --> 00:47:35,033
And so I, I don't, I don't think that's appropriate.

987
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:35,667
It's a.

988
00:47:36,767 --> 00:47:38,166
Let me, let me try to go through this.

989
00:47:38,634 --> 00:47:43,066
Treating unequal units at equivalent produces a density figure and is often misleading for

990
00:47:43,066 --> 00:47:44,100
land use in intensity.

991
00:47:45,133 --> 00:47:50,333
Infrastructure demands, population impacts meaningful comparison, a metric based solely on units per square

992
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:52,166
feet of lot sizes collapses.

993
00:47:52,166 --> 00:47:53,033
When the units, the.

994
00:47:53,333 --> 00:47:56,333
Eunice themselves differ widely in size occupancy and physical form.

995
00:47:57,367 --> 00:48:00,533
It it's the most reliable only within a narrow homogeneous product type.

996
00:48:01,700 --> 00:48:05,000
And I wasn't gonna read this, but I got this from AI. Would it

997
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,100
be worth me walking through that?

998
00:48:06,233 --> 00:48:06,500
Why?

999
00:48:06,533 --> 00:48:07,567
I don't think this data.

1000
00:48:08,367 --> 00:48:09,834
Is appropriate or can I submit it?

1001
00:48:12,834 --> 00:48:15,900
We're not gonna be able to, if there's something you wanna read to us

1002
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:16,834
that would be fine.

1003
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,567
But I, I think I, I, I.

1004
00:48:19,066 --> 00:48:19,000
Read it in.

1005
00:48:19,133 --> 00:48:20,433
I think I clarified it here.

1006
00:48:20,467 --> 00:48:21,166
You can't compare.

1007
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,033
I think they were clear with what you just said, you did.

1008
00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:26,000
We don't need the background of what you just said.

1009
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,100
Right?

1010
00:48:31,333 --> 00:48:31,667
Okay.

1011
00:48:32,767 --> 00:48:33,066
Thank you.

1012
00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:33,533
That's it?

1013
00:48:33,533 --> 00:48:34,066
Yes, we're good.

1014
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:34,900
All right.

1015
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,767
Thank you very much.

1016
00:48:35,867 --> 00:48:36,333
Anyone else?

1017
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,567
Going once.

1018
00:48:44,033 --> 00:48:44,100
Going twice.

1019
00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:45,066
We're all set.

1020
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:45,900
Mm-hmm .

1021
00:48:46,867 --> 00:48:47,066
Okay,

1022
00:48:47,767 --> 00:48:49,000
we will close the public session.

1023
00:48:49,066 --> 00:48:51,567
I'll give it back to the applicant for comments.

1024
00:48:52,567 --> 00:48:54,066
Comments, and then we'll move to deliberations.

1025
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:57,033
Thank you to the four people who spoke.

1026
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:07,100
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1027
00:49:11,300 --> 00:49:12,533
There were a lot of comments.

1028
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:14,033
Comments, I

1029
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:16,000
sort of agreed with.

1030
00:49:16,934 --> 00:49:18,734
But some of the puzzled me.

1031
00:49:19,834 --> 00:49:20,133
First of all

1032
00:49:20,934 --> 00:49:23,133
there, there seemed to be a suggestion.

1033
00:49:24,166 --> 00:49:27,166
That we weren't make putting in residential units.

1034
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,367
Well, I don't think that was suggested at all that, that, well, no, their

1035
00:49:31,367 --> 00:49:32,734
residential units there's no.

1036
00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:35,166
There's no need for clarification on that.

1037
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:36,000
And.

1038
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:38,266
It seemed there was a call.

1039
00:49:39,233 --> 00:49:41,100
To keep the integrity.

1040
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:42,133
Of

1041
00:49:43,033 --> 00:49:43,533
the single

1042
00:49:44,367 --> 00:49:46,066
family in the residential zone.

1043
00:49:47,133 --> 00:49:49,500
However, that's not the situation.

1044
00:49:50,467 --> 00:49:50,867
On this lot,

1045
00:49:52,033 --> 00:49:53,867
this lot has multiple buildings.

1046
00:49:55,066 --> 00:49:55,266
Buildings and

1047
00:49:56,033 --> 00:49:56,300
is

1048
00:49:57,133 --> 00:49:59,066
a seven family lot

1049
00:49:59,767 --> 00:50:00,333
right now.

1050
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:02,066
I

1051
00:50:04,033 --> 00:50:05,900
so we were trying to address.

1052
00:50:06,867 --> 00:50:06,900
That.

1053
00:50:07,867 --> 00:50:09,100
Yes, we're not making it.

1054
00:50:10,100 --> 00:50:14,166
Knocking knocking things down and making just a single family dwelling.

1055
00:50:15,266 --> 00:50:17,000
But we are trying to.

1056
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:18,300
Address

1057
00:50:19,033 --> 00:50:19,900
non-conformity

1058
00:50:20,934 --> 00:50:22,000
this is also where.

1059
00:50:23,066 --> 00:50:25,066
The lot does have the hardship.

1060
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:26,500
Because

1061
00:50:27,934 --> 00:50:28,767
two of the buildings.

1062
00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:33,066
Buildings are also nonconforming as to setback.

1063
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:35,033
Back which means

1064
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:37,333
we can't renovate them.

1065
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:39,634
Or do anything with them?

1066
00:50:41,033 --> 00:50:42,300
That changes their footprint.

1067
00:50:43,233 --> 00:50:44,867
Because if we change the footprint.

1068
00:50:46,133 --> 00:50:47,567
Were back asking

1069
00:50:48,367 --> 00:50:50,567
for either relief from

1070
00:50:51,634 --> 00:50:52,066
setbacks,

1071
00:50:52,767 --> 00:50:54,000
which is not desirable.

1072
00:50:55,066 --> 00:50:56,300
Or we're asking for

1073
00:50:57,467 --> 00:50:58,000
relief

1074
00:50:58,934 --> 00:50:59,867
from the number of.

1075
00:51:01,333 --> 00:51:03,133
Dwelling units that can go there.

1076
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,667
As soon as we make any change.

1077
00:51:07,066 --> 00:51:07,333
So

1078
00:51:08,934 --> 00:51:09,867
the existing buildings.

1079
00:51:11,066 --> 00:51:13,867
Buildings having violations other than just number of buildings.

1080
00:51:15,066 --> 00:51:16,367
Buildings make them totally.

1081
00:51:17,734 --> 00:51:18,667
Not developable.

1082
00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:21,767
And can't be rehabbed.

1083
00:51:22,667 --> 00:51:23,567
So I could understand

1084
00:51:24,133 --> 00:51:25,133
neighbors wanting.

1085
00:51:26,834 --> 00:51:27,000
A

1086
00:51:27,700 --> 00:51:31,500
rehab of a single family dwelling, but we're not changing.

1087
00:51:32,567 --> 00:51:34,000
The character of what's there.

1088
00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:35,634
We're trying to improve it.

1089
00:51:36,834 --> 00:51:38,066
I do agree with them.

1090
00:51:39,066 --> 00:51:39,100
That

1091
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:41,500
it's the board should.

1092
00:51:42,467 --> 00:51:45,634
Protect the integrity of zones and their boundaries.

1093
00:51:47,033 --> 00:51:47,000
I,

1094
00:51:47,867 --> 00:51:48,734
and if this were.

1095
00:51:49,533 --> 00:51:53,100
If there was only an existing conforming single family home on there.

1096
00:51:55,467 --> 00:51:57,667
There's variants should be rejected out of hand.

1097
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
But that's not the, the.

1098
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:02,266
Reality that we're facing.

1099
00:52:03,166 --> 00:52:05,367
And I think because of that reality,

1100
00:52:06,834 --> 00:52:07,000
I

1101
00:52:07,767 --> 00:52:09,266
we meet all the criteria.

1102
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:10,867
I know when the,

1103
00:52:11,867 --> 00:52:12,567
the commentator.

1104
00:52:13,867 --> 00:52:16,367
I went through the various criteria.

1105
00:52:17,333 --> 00:52:18,667
That was as if the criteria.

1106
00:52:19,634 --> 00:52:22,066
Applied only to a single family home.

1107
00:52:22,900 --> 00:52:23,333
Existing there.

1108
00:52:23,533 --> 00:52:27,867
And I will say, I, I, if that's the criteria, we, we, we do

1109
00:52:27,867 --> 00:52:28,567
violate it.

1110
00:52:29,100 --> 00:52:30,100
But if you take.

1111
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:31,734
What's actually there.

1112
00:52:33,266 --> 00:52:35,000
To setback violations.

1113
00:52:36,033 --> 00:52:37,100
And a seven family.

1114
00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:40,000
Dwelling dwelling.

1115
00:52:40,767 --> 00:52:40,767
Situation.

1116
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:45,333
Are reduction and addressing

1117
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:49,266
eliminating the setbacks and reducing the number of families.

1118
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:51,767
Is precisely helping.

1119
00:52:52,567 --> 00:52:54,033
Reduce the non-conformity.

1120
00:52:54,867 --> 00:52:57,533
Which should be encouraged and is encouraged by the courts.

1121
00:52:58,667 --> 00:52:58,667
Courts.

1122
00:52:59,433 --> 00:53:00,300
That's all I have.

1123
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:02,000
I don't know if Christian has anything.

1124
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,433
Yeah, no, you've covered, you covered my action as well.

1125
00:53:05,333 --> 00:53:06,066
Thank you very much.

1126
00:53:06,100 --> 00:53:07,066
Appreciate it.

1127
00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:07,333
Thank

1128
00:53:08,166 --> 00:53:08,734
Mr. Chair.

1129
00:53:08,767 --> 00:53:11,333
May I add also my name's again, Shawna with Timburg.

1130
00:53:11,333 --> 00:53:12,367
This is my team here.

1131
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:13,100
I just.

1132
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:14,900
Two, two quick respectful points.

1133
00:53:16,567 --> 00:53:18,367
In response to Ms. Fischer's statement.

1134
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:21,133
The first is I know that Eric Kimberg is well known.

1135
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,533
I think by all members of the board, he's obviously done business here in

1136
00:53:24,934 --> 00:53:27,900
The town of Exeter and he has built his name on.

1137
00:53:28,767 --> 00:53:29,567
Rehabbing historic buildings.

1138
00:53:30,033 --> 00:53:34,066
He himself has walked through those existing historic carriage houses, which have so much

1139
00:53:34,133 --> 00:53:35,166
charm from the exterior.

1140
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,767
They are in complete disrepair.

1141
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:39,033
The foundations are failing.

1142
00:53:39,166 --> 00:53:40,667
The windows are all broken.

1143
00:53:41,533 --> 00:53:45,867
We recently within the past six weeks together have walked through once again, just

1144
00:53:45,867 --> 00:53:48,033
to be like, you know, let's just take another look.

1145
00:53:48,333 --> 00:53:49,567
I mean, they're, .

1146
00:53:50,033 --> 00:53:52,000
They're no one here would wanna live there.

1147
00:53:52,133 --> 00:53:53,133
They really are in.

1148
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:57,066
Extensive disrepair and additionally

1149
00:53:58,100 --> 00:53:59,300
I just wanna reiterate from.

1150
00:54:01,166 --> 00:54:02,033
We did not

1151
00:54:02,734 --> 00:54:05,367
ask evict anybody in any of those buildings to leave.

1152
00:54:05,433 --> 00:54:07,066
They all vacated on their own.

1153
00:54:08,033 --> 00:54:08,367
Free will.

1154
00:54:08,634 --> 00:54:10,100
So just wanted to reiterate that.

1155
00:54:11,066 --> 00:54:13,066
In response to Ms. Fisher's statement.

1156
00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:15,767
So that's provide some clarity for y'all.

1157
00:54:16,066 --> 00:54:16,367
Thank you.

1158
00:54:17,333 --> 00:54:18,367
All thank you with that.

1159
00:54:18,367 --> 00:54:21,100
We will close public session and move to deliberations.

1160
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:22,066
Thank you all very much.

1161
00:54:28,567 --> 00:54:31,033
There's a couple of things I would like to read to the.

1162
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:37,000
It seems to me that there's a couple of points that we need to

1163
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,133
discuss in some detail.

1164
00:54:40,033 --> 00:54:41,100
On the variance criteria.

1165
00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:42,500
I think we need to discuss.

1166
00:54:43,233 --> 00:54:43,266
Hardship.

1167
00:54:43,266 --> 00:54:45,100
They have applied to us for a variance.

1168
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:47,567
Which means that the variance criteria.

1169
00:54:48,367 --> 00:54:48,834
Do apply

1170
00:54:49,433 --> 00:54:50,100
all of them.

1171
00:54:51,066 --> 00:54:54,867
We can go through them and we will go through them in some, sorry

1172
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,367
I got too close to the microphone there.

1173
00:54:57,333 --> 00:54:58,433
We will go through all five.

1174
00:55:00,266 --> 00:55:00,533
And

1175
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,433
we are gonna have to discuss and approve the points on each one.

1176
00:55:07,066 --> 00:55:08,300
Also much has been made.

1177
00:55:10,266 --> 00:55:10,667
About

1178
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:14,100
the claim made by the.

1179
00:55:15,066 --> 00:55:16,133
Applicant that they are reducing.

1180
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:17,166
Non-conformity.

1181
00:55:19,133 --> 00:55:19,166
And

1182
00:55:22,367 --> 00:55:23,033
I for one

1183
00:55:24,066 --> 00:55:25,834
have some real questions about that.

1184
00:55:26,867 --> 00:55:30,100
They are reducing non-conformity if the only metric.

1185
00:55:31,066 --> 00:55:32,867
To be considered for non-conformity.

1186
00:55:33,900 --> 00:55:34,767
Is going from five

1187
00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:36,100
from seven.

1188
00:55:37,266 --> 00:55:39,033
Residences to five.

1189
00:55:41,533 --> 00:55:42,767
But there are many other factors.

1190
00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:44,133
I think that we need to consider.

1191
00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:48,100
And I think this, this will come up during the course of the.

1192
00:55:49,133 --> 00:55:51,166
Explanation of a, of the discussion rather.

1193
00:55:56,533 --> 00:55:57,100
This is

1194
00:55:58,100 --> 00:55:59,834
I think an expansion.

1195
00:56:00,767 --> 00:56:02,066
Of a non-conforming use.

1196
00:56:03,166 --> 00:56:06,533
As well as a contraction of a nonconforming use.

1197
00:56:07,433 --> 00:56:09,033
Which piece of data are we looking at?

1198
00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:12,500
I think this is one of the, one of our commentators, Mr. Fisher.

1199
00:56:13,834 --> 00:56:15,033
Commented about the,

1200
00:56:15,667 --> 00:56:17,867
and my phrase would be cherry picking the data.

1201
00:56:19,266 --> 00:56:21,500
And I wanna make sure that we look at all of the data and

1202
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:22,900
therefore I do appreciate.

1203
00:56:23,834 --> 00:56:26,500
Someone going through the calculation because it's bothered me.

1204
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:27,634
When I look at this map.

1205
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:29,333
And I see.

1206
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:31,033
Yeah, there are three buildings on this site.

1207
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,266
There's a decent sized

1208
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,000
colonial.

1209
00:56:35,066 --> 00:56:35,066
Home

1210
00:56:35,867 --> 00:56:38,066
and two relatively modest sized.

1211
00:56:39,066 --> 00:56:42,100
Former outbuildings, which are now being, I assume they were former outbuildings.

1212
00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:46,166
Outbuildings that from the, I assume they were carriage houses from the.

1213
00:56:47,433 --> 00:56:48,133
To the existing

1214
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:50,667
structure that exists on the front of the lot.

1215
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:55,500
But we are moving from 3,500 square feet.

1216
00:56:56,367 --> 00:56:58,667
And these are approximate numbers given to us by.

1217
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:01,667
And a butter, not by the applicant.

1218
00:57:03,266 --> 00:57:04,900
And yet I think a simple.

1219
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:06,634
Look at the

1220
00:57:07,367 --> 00:57:10,000
aerial view of the plan would bear out this.

1221
00:57:10,867 --> 00:57:12,100
The scale, if not the exact numbers.

1222
00:57:13,133 --> 00:57:16,300
We are moving from 3,500 square feet of lock coverage.

1223
00:57:17,133 --> 00:57:17,767
To 9,000.

1224
00:57:19,433 --> 00:57:23,166
It I'm putting the living space, argument aside, multiple stories, et cetera.

1225
00:57:23,166 --> 00:57:25,634
That's not really a factor that we consider often here.

1226
00:57:26,734 --> 00:57:27,266
Excuse me.

1227
00:57:28,767 --> 00:57:32,000
But I think that there's a lot of data here other than the simple

1228
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,300
number.

1229
00:57:33,133 --> 00:57:38,000
Yeah, they're going up on the average square foot per unit is going up

1230
00:57:39,467 --> 00:57:40,433
By a modest amount.

1231
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:41,533
Fine.

1232
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:45,066
It's going from 67 98 to 73 18.

1233
00:57:45,066 --> 00:57:46,333
We've agreed on approximately.

1234
00:57:47,233 --> 00:57:48,000
A 10% increase,

1235
00:57:49,033 --> 00:57:52,266
but we're looking at a roughly tripling of the density.

1236
00:57:53,333 --> 00:57:53,634
Of structure,

1237
00:57:54,533 --> 00:57:57,100
not even mentioning roads or other pervious surfaces.

1238
00:57:58,100 --> 00:57:58,834
Surfaces just structures.

1239
00:57:58,834 --> 00:58:00,166
We're talking roughly at tripling.

1240
00:58:01,166 --> 00:58:03,867
Of the structure on the property in terms of a mass.

1241
00:58:04,934 --> 00:58:06,066
We're moving from three modest.

1242
00:58:07,300 --> 00:58:09,634
A decent sized house and two relatively modest.

1243
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:11,500
Outbuildings.

1244
00:58:12,934 --> 00:58:14,000
Outbuildings now converted to residences.

1245
00:58:15,066 --> 00:58:16,533
To five large.

1246
00:58:17,500 --> 00:58:20,367
Structures that as that chart at the bottom shows us.

1247
00:58:21,133 --> 00:58:22,066
Pretty much dominate the lot.

1248
00:58:24,266 --> 00:58:28,300
So I think that needs to be taken into consideration during our deliberations as

1249
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:28,533
well.

1250
00:58:29,867 --> 00:58:33,100
With that as a preamble, I'm gonna ask someone other than me.

1251
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,567
To go through the variance criteria to enumerate them for us.

1252
00:58:38,533 --> 00:58:38,834
And

1253
00:58:41,533 --> 00:58:42,033
reaching

1254
00:58:43,066 --> 00:58:44,333
for your sheet is.

1255
00:58:45,133 --> 00:58:47,033
An admission of guilt, Ms. Montag.

1256
00:58:48,367 --> 00:58:51,000
So I've learned not to reach from, well, you've learned not to reach for

1257
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:51,767
your is well done.

1258
00:58:51,767 --> 00:58:55,300
Nobody else flinched toward the blue sheet except Laura, Laura.

1259
00:58:56,667 --> 00:58:57,433
Did you volunteer?

1260
00:58:57,467 --> 00:58:57,900
My friend?

1261
00:58:58,066 --> 00:58:58,433
I will.

1262
00:58:58,433 --> 00:58:59,033
But thank you.

1263
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:59,333
I want.

1264
00:59:00,166 --> 00:59:01,867
Support and yes, I, but yep.

1265
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:03,734
We just want someone else to go through them, please.

1266
00:59:04,033 --> 00:59:04,133
Okay.

1267
00:59:05,133 --> 00:59:09,367
So requirement, number one, the variance is not contrary to the public interest.

1268
00:59:12,266 --> 00:59:13,433
Do we do one and two together?

1269
00:59:13,533 --> 00:59:13,867
Yeah.

1270
00:59:13,867 --> 00:59:15,033
We always do one and two together.

1271
00:59:15,133 --> 00:59:15,367
And.

1272
00:59:16,166 --> 00:59:19,066
The spirit of the ordinance is observed.

1273
00:59:20,033 --> 00:59:20,133
I,

1274
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:22,100
I think that

1275
00:59:23,066 --> 00:59:26,634
your introduction to this, as far as how we are measuring.

1276
00:59:27,433 --> 00:59:28,066
Non-conformity

1277
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:29,100
actually

1278
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:31,533
plays into the spirit of the ordinance.

1279
00:59:32,567 --> 00:59:32,900
While.

1280
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:33,266
Yes.

1281
00:59:34,867 --> 00:59:36,166
That it, these are residential.

1282
00:59:37,133 --> 00:59:38,300
Units that they're putting in there.

1283
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:39,867
So it meets that criteria.

1284
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:44,100
What I was looking at and what I was reviewing was.

1285
00:59:45,233 --> 00:59:48,300
The provisions of the R two ordinance currently got.

1286
00:59:49,533 --> 00:59:51,734
And it's looking at it from units.

1287
00:59:52,767 --> 00:59:52,834
Right.

1288
00:59:53,567 --> 00:59:54,500
It's single fam.

1289
00:59:54,533 --> 00:59:56,066
So what are allowed uses?

1290
00:59:56,066 --> 00:59:57,266
Mm-hmm single family.

1291
00:59:57,367 --> 00:59:58,767
One unit mm-hmm right.

1292
00:59:59,834 --> 01:00:00,533
Open space development,

1293
01:00:01,066 --> 01:00:03,634
which requires a minimum of five acres.

1294
01:00:03,934 --> 01:00:04,333
Mm-hmm .

1295
01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:08,500
So you just, you're just saying what's permitted you the arc.

1296
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:08,900
Exactly.

1297
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:09,066
Right?

1298
01:00:09,066 --> 01:00:09,567
Exactly.

1299
01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:15,100
A duplex as a special exception, which is two units mm-hmm and a

1300
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,033
condo conversion.

1301
01:00:16,767 --> 01:00:18,367
Of the existing building, which is four units.

1302
01:00:19,767 --> 01:00:20,066
So,

1303
01:00:20,867 --> 01:00:23,567
and that's a conversion of an existing structure, not a new store, correct.

1304
01:00:23,567 --> 01:00:26,100
Which you can add on to, you can add on square footage.

1305
01:00:27,066 --> 01:00:28,266
Whatever mm-hmm I guess.

1306
01:00:30,133 --> 01:00:30,634
To me.

1307
01:00:32,033 --> 01:00:34,166
I'm in agreement with you as far as.

1308
01:00:35,233 --> 01:00:37,900
I, I don't see this as a reduction.

1309
01:00:38,867 --> 01:00:39,667
In non-conformity.

1310
01:00:39,834 --> 01:00:41,100
I see it as an increase.

1311
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:43,133
We're going from three buildings to five buildings.

1312
01:00:44,166 --> 01:00:46,767
Buildings and increasing the use the, the.

1313
01:00:47,834 --> 01:00:49,367
Impacted use of the land.

1314
01:00:53,867 --> 01:00:54,767
Do you want me to continue?

1315
01:00:56,367 --> 01:00:57,634
I'm gonna add something at this point.

1316
01:01:01,867 --> 01:01:02,634
So among the

1317
01:01:04,533 --> 01:01:06,367
considerations that are supposed to be taken.

1318
01:01:07,233 --> 01:01:07,266
When

1319
01:01:08,166 --> 01:01:11,033
talking about changes to a nonconforming use.

1320
01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:14,066
Obviously

1321
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,433
the, the idea is that.

1322
01:01:18,467 --> 01:01:20,166
I guess from the state law perspective.

1323
01:01:21,767 --> 01:01:24,767
You can change, you can expand a nonconforming use.

1324
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:27,133
As long as it does not.

1325
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,433
Create new impacts on the neighborhood.

1326
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:34,367
And the cons and that's a difficulty determination, but as a couple of the

1327
01:01:34,634 --> 01:01:37,433
considerations, there are five that are, have been enumerated.

1328
01:01:39,066 --> 01:01:39,333
And

1329
01:01:40,133 --> 01:01:44,033
one of the considerations is the degree to which the uses footprint.

1330
01:01:44,767 --> 01:01:46,100
Is expanded on the property.

1331
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:50,867
And that's why I asked the question that I did.

1332
01:01:52,066 --> 01:01:52,333
And,

1333
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:55,133
and why I made the statement that I did, which is.

1334
01:01:56,166 --> 01:01:57,066
That that lot coverage.

1335
01:01:58,467 --> 01:02:03,367
And the degree to which a non-conforming structure is physically altered or relocated on

1336
01:02:03,367 --> 01:02:04,000
the property.

1337
01:02:04,934 --> 01:02:06,066
Obviously the existing

1338
01:02:07,266 --> 01:02:07,767
structures

1339
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,066
conforming or nonconforming.

1340
01:02:11,166 --> 01:02:12,567
Are going to be removed.

1341
01:02:13,533 --> 01:02:16,100
Removed and entirely new structures are gonna be put in.

1342
01:02:17,667 --> 01:02:19,066
I don't think that

1343
01:02:20,033 --> 01:02:21,500
the simple encroachment.

1344
01:02:22,467 --> 01:02:22,500
Into

1345
01:02:25,333 --> 01:02:26,033
setbacks.

1346
01:02:27,233 --> 01:02:28,100
Setbacks, which I guess two of the

1347
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,667
existing structures, I don't know which ones are where it's probably the first in

1348
01:02:31,667 --> 01:02:33,367
the, the one in the rear, but I'm not sure.

1349
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:37,000
I just do that on sight lines, but the, the fact that there are

1350
01:02:37,433 --> 01:02:38,100
existing setbacks.

1351
01:02:39,066 --> 01:02:39,066
Setbacks

1352
01:02:41,233 --> 01:02:41,634
again.

1353
01:02:41,867 --> 01:02:44,567
I do not see that as solely.

1354
01:02:45,867 --> 01:02:48,100
A reduction in non-conformity.

1355
01:02:51,233 --> 01:02:53,667
I understand that the buildings may require significant.

1356
01:02:54,467 --> 01:02:54,734
Rehabilitation.

1357
01:02:57,333 --> 01:03:02,033
But that is not what's before this board what's before this board is an

1358
01:03:02,033 --> 01:03:04,100
application for a variance.

1359
01:03:05,133 --> 01:03:07,567
And the claim that this is reducing non-conformity.

1360
01:03:07,667 --> 01:03:09,000
So I would agree with you.

1361
01:03:10,133 --> 01:03:12,033
That I have a real problem on one and two.

1362
01:03:15,634 --> 01:03:17,834
Anyone else, John you're voting on this.

1363
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:24,066
Well, I would concur, especially the enlarged footprint and then the elevation of the

1364
01:03:24,166 --> 01:03:24,567
buildings.

1365
01:03:24,834 --> 01:03:25,867
Although within code.

1366
01:03:26,867 --> 01:03:27,133
Certainly

1367
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,367
has a negative impact on the other.

1368
01:03:33,133 --> 01:03:33,266
Houses,

1369
01:03:34,066 --> 01:03:35,100
especially those

1370
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,133
balconies overlooking.

1371
01:03:39,367 --> 01:03:41,266
I, I think that the neighborhood.

1372
01:03:42,333 --> 01:03:45,433
Does have an issue with it that is legitimate.

1373
01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:46,500
Okay,

1374
01:03:47,500 --> 01:03:49,634
thank you, ES sir, do you wanna add anything?

1375
01:03:52,133 --> 01:03:52,500
Adam.

1376
01:03:54,066 --> 01:03:57,000
I just echo that it just does feel like it is a creep into

1377
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,166
the, the R two zone in a pretty.

1378
01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:01,033
Significant way.

1379
01:04:02,500 --> 01:04:04,166
And it is a pretty intense.

1380
01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:07,634
Use for the, for the space for the total.

1381
01:04:08,367 --> 01:04:09,000
Volume of square footage.

1382
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:09,767
That's going on there.

1383
01:04:12,934 --> 01:04:15,000
Why don't you continue on with criteria three?

1384
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:16,033
Laura.

1385
01:04:16,066 --> 01:04:16,367
Okay.

1386
01:04:17,867 --> 01:04:20,033
Criteria three substantial justice is done.

1387
01:04:20,033 --> 01:04:23,433
The benefit to the applicant should not be outweighed by the harm to the

1388
01:04:23,433 --> 01:04:24,066
general public.

1389
01:04:24,367 --> 01:04:25,300
Or to other individuals.

1390
01:04:26,667 --> 01:04:26,667
Individuals

1391
01:04:27,734 --> 01:04:29,634
is this, I think we've.

1392
01:04:30,467 --> 01:04:31,100
Heard both.

1393
01:04:33,367 --> 01:04:35,033
From the public and the applicant.

1394
01:04:39,834 --> 01:04:39,834
The value.

1395
01:04:41,367 --> 01:04:41,734
Well,

1396
01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:44,734
just that we are.

1397
01:04:45,533 --> 01:04:49,000
You know, assessing, you know, the need of the applicant with respect to the

1398
01:04:49,066 --> 01:04:49,867
building, as well as.

1399
01:04:51,166 --> 01:04:52,667
You know, the general public and.

1400
01:04:53,867 --> 01:04:54,367
What their

1401
01:04:55,834 --> 01:04:58,000
opinions are and beliefs of the impact.

1402
01:04:59,033 --> 01:05:01,533
I think it says to the general public or other individuals.

1403
01:05:01,533 --> 01:05:04,166
I think the other individuals in this case would be the abutters.

1404
01:05:05,333 --> 01:05:05,333
Abutters correct.

1405
01:05:05,934 --> 01:05:07,533
And specifically the abutter.

1406
01:05:08,567 --> 01:05:09,000
Butter on one side.

1407
01:05:09,367 --> 01:05:09,734
Okay.

1408
01:05:10,133 --> 01:05:10,500
Okay.

1409
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:14,834
So did, are you saying that you don't feel that it meets criteria three

1410
01:05:14,934 --> 01:05:15,734
No, I think it does.

1411
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:17,367
Oh, you think it does meet criteria three?

1412
01:05:17,367 --> 01:05:18,066
Yeah, I think we met.

1413
01:05:18,867 --> 01:05:20,166
Right.Substantial justices being done.

1414
01:05:20,300 --> 01:05:20,634
Yeah.

1415
01:05:21,033 --> 01:05:21,133
Okay.

1416
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,667
Do you disagree a little bit?

1417
01:05:24,634 --> 01:05:27,100
I, I really do think the benefits of the applicant.

1418
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:28,033
Is

1419
01:05:28,734 --> 01:05:31,000
being outweighed by harm to the general public.

1420
01:05:32,033 --> 01:05:32,033
Okay.

1421
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:34,000
I legitimately do.

1422
01:05:34,867 --> 01:05:35,333
I don't see.

1423
01:05:37,133 --> 01:05:38,867
This tremendous benefit to the applicant.

1424
01:05:39,867 --> 01:05:41,734
In this, in getting this variance.

1425
01:05:42,467 --> 01:05:43,500
Tremendous benefit to the applicant.

1426
01:05:43,734 --> 01:05:44,033
Yep.

1427
01:05:44,767 --> 01:05:47,734
Putting aside, monetary is not part of the whole thing here.

1428
01:05:49,033 --> 01:05:51,734
But to have five new, very large.

1429
01:05:52,767 --> 01:05:55,033
I mean, we all know what housing costs and Exeter today.

1430
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:57,133
Those are

1431
01:05:58,533 --> 01:05:59,867
million dollar properties.

1432
01:06:00,066 --> 01:06:00,266
I'm sure

1433
01:06:01,300 --> 01:06:01,634
hell.

1434
01:06:01,634 --> 01:06:03,834
Everything in exhibits is a million dollar property these days.

1435
01:06:03,867 --> 01:06:04,900
It doesn't matter where you live.

1436
01:06:05,033 --> 01:06:06,033
It's kinda sad, but.

1437
01:06:06,467 --> 01:06:07,000
Be that as it may,

1438
01:06:07,900 --> 01:06:11,367
I think this tremendous benefit to the applicant in getting this variance.

1439
01:06:12,166 --> 01:06:14,100
And I'm concerned that there's gonna be.

1440
01:06:14,867 --> 01:06:15,266
Harm done to the

1441
01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:21,000
if not the general public, definitely do other individuals in, in the sense abutters

1442
01:06:21,166 --> 01:06:21,533
okay.

1443
01:06:22,467 --> 01:06:23,300
That's my take on it.

1444
01:06:23,433 --> 01:06:23,834
All right.

1445
01:06:25,367 --> 01:06:28,133
The values of surrounding properties are not diminished.

1446
01:06:29,133 --> 01:06:32,667
Expert testimony on this question is not conclusive, but cannot be ignored.

1447
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:33,734
Ignored.

1448
01:06:34,133 --> 01:06:36,133
And the board may also consider other evidence,

1449
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,500
evidence affecting property values, including personal knowledge of members themselves.

1450
01:06:42,767 --> 01:06:44,734
Obvious we didn't receive any.

1451
01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:47,634
Market assessments, but oh, no, there's not.

1452
01:06:49,367 --> 01:06:49,734
I think

1453
01:06:51,834 --> 01:06:54,000
I don't, we, we didn't really get any information.

1454
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,367
You have no information either way.

1455
01:06:55,367 --> 01:06:58,033
So that was kind of a, there's an anecdotal right.

1456
01:06:58,333 --> 01:06:58,433
Evidence.

1457
01:06:59,066 --> 01:06:59,066
On either side.

1458
01:06:59,100 --> 01:07:02,066
I don't think that's a, a factor that we can consider in our criteria

1459
01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:02,433
Yep.

1460
01:07:03,433 --> 01:07:06,300
And then the fifth is literal enforcement of the ordinance.

1461
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:10,634
We result in an unnecessary hardship, an unnecessary hardship.

1462
01:07:11,433 --> 01:07:16,066
Because of special conditions of the property, that's distinguish it from other properties in

1463
01:07:16,066 --> 01:07:16,533
the area.

1464
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:19,266
And

1465
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,900
unnecessary hardship means that owing to the special conditions of the property that distinguish

1466
01:07:23,934 --> 01:07:25,133
it from other properties in the area.

1467
01:07:25,166 --> 01:07:28,033
The property cannot be reasonably used in strict.

1468
01:07:28,367 --> 01:07:29,367
Conformance of the ordinance.

1469
01:07:31,133 --> 01:07:31,634
And I

1470
01:07:32,233 --> 01:07:36,100
do not believe that they, that the applicant meets this criteria.

1471
01:07:36,100 --> 01:07:36,634
There's.

1472
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:40,867
There's there's I don't see the, the hardship in the property.

1473
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:43,066
And being able to

1474
01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:45,367
build within

1475
01:07:46,433 --> 01:07:47,533
what is allowed.

1476
01:07:48,567 --> 01:07:49,000
In the ordinance.

1477
01:07:49,367 --> 01:07:50,100
There's no.

1478
01:07:51,066 --> 01:07:54,133
Issues with, you know, setbacks, wetlands, anything like that?

1479
01:07:54,233 --> 01:07:54,900
There is.

1480
01:07:56,033 --> 01:07:56,634
Potential on this property.

1481
01:08:02,100 --> 01:08:04,033
anyone else want to comment on that?

1482
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:06,266
I would agree.

1483
01:08:06,266 --> 01:08:09,066
I don't see the hardship and I understand if you wanna get.

1484
01:08:11,533 --> 01:08:14,133
Rehabbing what's there is difficult, but the land itself doesn't.

1485
01:08:15,066 --> 01:08:17,000
Doesn't there's nothing preventing them from building something within.

1486
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:18,634
The set rules.

1487
01:08:18,934 --> 01:08:20,900
There's no significant wetlands.

1488
01:08:20,900 --> 01:08:21,300
There's no.

1489
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:22,166
Odd shape.

1490
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:23,867
It's it's a large lot.

1491
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,133
Mm-hmm but it is, it's not the largest in the neighborhood, but it's

1492
01:08:27,133 --> 01:08:27,567
a large lot.

1493
01:08:27,567 --> 01:08:27,834
Yeah.

1494
01:08:27,834 --> 01:08:30,000
It's a pretty good size lot, but that you could probably still.

1495
01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:30,867
Do a lot with that.

1496
01:08:31,033 --> 01:08:31,433
Mm-hmm .

1497
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:38,500
All right.

1498
01:08:39,767 --> 01:08:41,433
Gentlemen end second.

1499
01:08:42,066 --> 01:08:43,000
What you mentioned.

1500
01:08:45,100 --> 01:08:45,634
I fully agree.

1501
01:08:45,734 --> 01:08:46,767
I don't believe this hardship.

1502
01:08:47,834 --> 01:08:49,000
I do not believe that there's hardship.

1503
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,333
There is nothing about the property.

1504
01:08:51,233 --> 01:08:53,734
That allows it, that prevents it from being.

1505
01:08:54,467 --> 01:08:55,033
Developed within

1506
01:08:55,934 --> 01:08:56,367
the code.

1507
01:08:57,333 --> 01:08:58,900
For R two single family.

1508
01:09:00,100 --> 01:09:00,433
Residential district.

1509
01:09:03,700 --> 01:09:05,066
Would anyone like to make a motion?

1510
01:09:05,100 --> 01:09:06,667
Thank you for walking through the criteria.

1511
01:09:06,767 --> 01:09:07,166
I appreciate it.

1512
01:09:07,166 --> 01:09:08,667
Would you like to follow that up with a motion?

1513
01:09:10,667 --> 01:09:11,667
Well, we have two

1514
01:09:12,767 --> 01:09:13,333
here

1515
01:09:14,100 --> 01:09:15,100
they asked for didn't.

1516
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:17,033
Are there two different variances we're talking about?

1517
01:09:18,100 --> 01:09:20,767
It's one variance request from two different.

1518
01:09:21,700 --> 01:09:22,500
They can be handled together.

1519
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:23,066
Okay.

1520
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:24,433
I can't do it.

1521
01:09:24,433 --> 01:09:25,300
I can't find my piece of paper.

1522
01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:27,634
Here, who piece of paper would you like?

1523
01:09:28,367 --> 01:09:28,367
Yes.

1524
01:09:28,934 --> 01:09:30,000
Well, now I gotta thank, hold on.

1525
01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:30,867
Give me a second.

1526
01:09:30,900 --> 01:09:31,433
This as well.

1527
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,333
It may be it's duplicated there.

1528
01:09:35,433 --> 01:09:36,333
I'm not sure that's it.

1529
01:09:44,233 --> 01:09:44,900
Take your time.

1530
01:09:45,934 --> 01:09:46,300
No pressure.

1531
01:09:46,300 --> 01:09:46,767
Take your time.

1532
01:09:46,767 --> 01:09:47,333
No, no pressure.

1533
01:09:48,166 --> 01:09:48,734
Raise stairs.

1534
01:09:51,900 --> 01:09:52,066
I

1535
01:09:54,467 --> 01:09:55,033
hold on.

1536
01:09:59,033 --> 01:10:03,834
I moved to deny the application from Tinburg developments, seeking a variance and.

1537
01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:05,100
Relief from article.

1538
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:08,066
2.0, sorry.

1539
01:10:08,066 --> 01:10:10,000
4.2 mm-hmm schedule one.

1540
01:10:11,066 --> 01:10:12,634
As well as article

1541
01:10:13,533 --> 01:10:14,166
5.5 0.3.

1542
01:10:15,834 --> 01:10:16,000
As

1543
01:10:17,533 --> 01:10:18,266
om, I'm S

1544
01:10:19,634 --> 01:10:20,100
period.

1545
01:10:20,166 --> 01:10:23,133
Do not forget that we articulate which of the oh criteria.

1546
01:10:23,300 --> 01:10:24,066
It does not meet.

1547
01:10:25,700 --> 01:10:27,133
Due to the review of the variance criteria.

1548
01:10:28,767 --> 01:10:29,500
Not meeting.

1549
01:10:33,133 --> 01:10:33,533
One in

1550
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:38,300
Brian's criteria one in two were Barings, contrary to public interest in spirit of

1551
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:39,266
the ordinance not met.

1552
01:10:40,133 --> 01:10:41,100
As well as

1553
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:42,867
number five.

1554
01:10:44,567 --> 01:10:45,867
I've unnecessary hardship.

1555
01:10:48,634 --> 01:10:49,300
Is there a second.

1556
01:10:50,533 --> 01:10:52,500
Second moved and seconded.

1557
01:10:52,634 --> 01:10:53,367
Any discussion.

1558
01:10:54,467 --> 01:10:55,066
Of the motion.

1559
01:10:56,767 --> 01:10:59,900
I would like to success to suggest an amendment to the motion.

1560
01:11:00,934 --> 01:11:01,900
Which would say that the.

1561
01:11:03,066 --> 01:11:04,567
Application also does not meet criteria.

1562
01:11:05,333 --> 01:11:07,000
Three substantial justices done.

1563
01:11:08,033 --> 01:11:09,000
But that was kind of my issue.

1564
01:11:09,934 --> 01:11:12,867
So I will see if anybody wants to second that and add it or

1565
01:11:12,867 --> 01:11:13,533
just leave it at.

1566
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:14,767
One two and five.

1567
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:20,100
Is there a second to my suggestion to add criteria three.

1568
01:11:21,934 --> 01:11:22,634
And make a second.

1569
01:11:23,634 --> 01:11:23,667
To add

1570
01:11:24,734 --> 01:11:28,734
criteria three, moved in second, did any discussion of the amendment?

1571
01:11:29,700 --> 01:11:30,033
To add

1572
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:31,066
to

1573
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:32,734
Esther's motion

1574
01:11:33,533 --> 01:11:36,367
that it is also being denied due to not meeting.

1575
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:40,133
Variance criteria, three substantial justices done.

1576
01:11:42,100 --> 01:11:43,066
Hearing none.

1577
01:11:43,100 --> 01:11:45,834
I will call the vote on the amendment to the motion.

1578
01:11:46,667 --> 01:11:49,033
All in favor of the amendment, indicate by saying aye.

1579
01:11:50,100 --> 01:11:50,100
Aye.

1580
01:11:50,367 --> 01:11:50,634
Aye.

1581
01:11:51,133 --> 01:11:51,367
Aye.

1582
01:11:54,734 --> 01:11:57,000
I'm in work my way out amendment carries.

1583
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,433
We now have an amended motion before us to deny the application.

1584
01:12:00,767 --> 01:12:02,066
Because it does not meet.

1585
01:12:03,066 --> 01:12:04,734
Variance criteria 1, 2, 3, and five.

1586
01:12:05,533 --> 01:12:06,867
Any further discussion of the motion.

1587
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,734
Hearing none, all call the vote.

1588
01:12:11,634 --> 01:12:14,333
All in favor of the motion to deny the application

1589
01:12:15,033 --> 01:12:16,066
indicate by saying aye.

1590
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:17,266
Aye.

1591
01:12:17,133 --> 01:12:17,000
Aye.

1592
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:18,133
Aye.

1593
01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:19,000
Aye.

1594
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:19,567
Aye.

1595
01:12:20,567 --> 01:12:20,900
Five zero.

1596
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:24,500
I'd like to thank the applicant and the members of the public who are

1597
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:25,100
here this evening.

1598
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:26,634
This is not an easy one.

1599
01:12:27,033 --> 01:12:28,066
Thank you for being here.

1600
01:12:28,934 --> 01:12:29,433
Thank you folks.

1601
01:12:30,033 --> 01:12:30,300
Thank you.

1602
01:12:30,333 --> 01:12:31,100
Thank you, Christian.

1603
01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:31,266
Thank.

1604
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:32,033
You Christian?

1605
01:12:38,266 --> 01:12:38,367
Hmm.

1606
01:12:38,367 --> 01:12:39,033
Hopefully.

1607
01:12:41,166 --> 01:12:42,567
She doesn't get my hesitations in there.

1608
01:12:44,166 --> 01:12:45,767
She doesn't put ums and herbs.

1609
01:12:46,100 --> 01:12:48,033
She doesn't do any of that in there.

1610
01:12:49,033 --> 01:12:53,000
We have one more item of business before we close for the evening.

1611
01:12:54,567 --> 01:12:56,000
Which is the

1612
01:12:58,467 --> 01:12:59,533
this all goes.

1613
01:13:00,367 --> 01:13:00,634
Yes.

1614
01:13:01,533 --> 01:13:03,100
This baby all goes together.

1615
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:08,133
And

1616
01:13:10,133 --> 01:13:13,066
so we have the minutes of the July 20.

1617
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,767
If people could take the conversation outside, I'd appreciate it.

1618
01:13:16,066 --> 01:13:17,100
We're still in session.

1619
01:13:18,033 --> 01:13:18,266
It's all right.

1620
01:13:21,700 --> 01:13:26,000
So we still have the minutes of the July 21st, 2026 meeting to discuss.

1621
01:13:28,567 --> 01:13:29,734
Let's see myself.

1622
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:31,333
Esther Laura

1623
01:13:32,166 --> 01:13:33,000
and John.

1624
01:13:33,900 --> 01:13:35,900
And Adam and Adam can all vote on it.

1625
01:13:39,233 --> 01:13:41,133
Laurie, you said you found a couple of things.

1626
01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:41,667
Well,

1627
01:13:42,667 --> 01:13:44,500
line 44 at the end, it says.

1628
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:48,033
We said a special exception was granted for two.

1629
01:13:49,667 --> 01:13:51,900
Duplexes in the R two district, but it was.

1630
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Three duplexes.

1631
01:13:55,367 --> 01:13:56,667
So, I don't know if.

1632
01:13:58,767 --> 01:13:59,066
Mr.

1633
01:13:59,834 --> 01:14:01,867
McKinnon misspoke and said to.

1634
01:14:02,667 --> 01:14:04,000
Or whether it was a typo.

1635
01:14:05,533 --> 01:14:09,734
Was that, that was attorney Leno speaking at that point or Mr. Belden.

1636
01:14:11,433 --> 01:14:12,033
No, it was Mr.

1637
01:14:15,066 --> 01:14:16,000
Mr Belton said we met.

1638
01:14:16,233 --> 01:14:16,567
Yeah.

1639
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:18,100
Mr. It was Mr. Belden.

1640
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:20,066
Yes.

1641
01:14:20,166 --> 01:14:24,000
So I don't, I don't remember if he misspoke and said two or whether

1642
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,066
that's a typo.

1643
01:14:25,333 --> 01:14:25,767
I think

1644
01:14:26,367 --> 01:14:26,867
Joanna.

1645
01:14:27,233 --> 01:14:28,834
Who's listening to this meeting could go back.

1646
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:29,900
And

1647
01:14:30,667 --> 01:14:32,066
review the tape, please.

1648
01:14:32,066 --> 01:14:34,900
And if it's two, we leave it in there because that's the statement that

1649
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:35,300
was made.

1650
01:14:36,266 --> 01:14:39,000
If it's not, so we're not gonna approve this evening.

1651
01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:43,734
I think that what we'll do is ask her to look at that.

1652
01:14:44,567 --> 01:14:45,433
Tape and clarify.

1653
01:14:46,867 --> 01:14:50,000
Whether it's two at the end of line, 44 or three.

1654
01:14:51,467 --> 01:14:53,066
So we're not gonna be able to approve cause you're right.

1655
01:14:53,066 --> 01:14:54,000
I wanna get that correct.

1656
01:14:55,066 --> 01:14:55,333
And then

1657
01:14:57,333 --> 01:14:57,634
lines.

1658
01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:58,333
Thank you, Joanna.

1659
01:14:58,634 --> 01:15:02,000
I am speaking into the ether lines, three 40 and 3 41.

1660
01:15:02,166 --> 01:15:02,533
Yeah.

1661
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:08,033
Ms Davies asked Mr. Eastman's administrative decision relates to.

1662
01:15:10,066 --> 01:15:10,834
These points.

1663
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:14,634
And I guess I thought she was asking.

1664
01:15:15,867 --> 01:15:18,100
Doug these questions, but was sh.

1665
01:15:18,867 --> 01:15:20,100
Was she actually asking the attorney.

1666
01:15:22,133 --> 01:15:22,300
Yeah.

1667
01:15:22,700 --> 01:15:23,066
Okay.

1668
01:15:23,133 --> 01:15:23,567
Got it.

1669
01:15:23,634 --> 01:15:24,033
All right.

1670
01:15:24,033 --> 01:15:25,333
Yeah, that was a little confusing to me.

1671
01:15:25,333 --> 01:15:25,567
Yeah.

1672
01:15:25,567 --> 01:15:25,834
Yeah.

1673
01:15:26,100 --> 01:15:26,266
Okay.

1674
01:15:27,066 --> 01:15:30,867
Attorney Allen was the attorney for some of the abutters, because I remember we

1675
01:15:30,900 --> 01:15:34,367
did engage with Doug a couple times during the meeting and I wasn't sure

1676
01:15:34,367 --> 01:15:35,066
if that was.

1677
01:15:35,433 --> 01:15:38,266
I think she was referring to, she was simply referring to yeah.

1678
01:15:38,266 --> 01:15:38,767
Was there east?

1679
01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:39,000
Yeah.

1680
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,133
Okay.

1681
01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:39,867
Thank you.

1682
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:40,667
That's that?

1683
01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:41,834
Those were the only two things.

1684
01:15:41,834 --> 01:15:43,100
Those was the only two things you had.

1685
01:15:43,834 --> 01:15:45,066
I did not find anything.

1686
01:15:46,100 --> 01:15:47,533
I had two little things, please.

1687
01:15:48,767 --> 01:15:50,166
Line 17 through 18.

1688
01:15:50,467 --> 01:15:52,133
It was 17 through 18.

1689
01:15:52,233 --> 01:15:52,767
Good, great.

1690
01:15:52,767 --> 01:15:54,000
Well, I think, I think it's right.

1691
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,567
I just, it feels very vague to me.

1692
01:15:55,567 --> 01:15:56,100
Does everybody.

1693
01:15:57,066 --> 01:15:58,634
This is Davy said, since we don't.

1694
01:15:59,433 --> 01:16:01,667
Don't she didn't participate in the final case for June 16th.

1695
01:16:02,667 --> 01:16:03,734
Meeting her vote will reflect that.

1696
01:16:04,133 --> 01:16:06,734
That was the minutes of the June 16th, 20, 26.

1697
01:16:06,734 --> 01:16:07,133
She did.

1698
01:16:07,767 --> 01:16:08,133
She did.

1699
01:16:08,467 --> 01:16:10,634
She approved them, but she, she wanted us to.

1700
01:16:11,066 --> 01:16:11,367
Know that

1701
01:16:13,533 --> 01:16:15,867
it excluded the one, it excluded the one she didn't see.

1702
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,767
That's what I thought is it sounded kind of vague.

1703
01:16:17,767 --> 01:16:18,000
Yeah.

1704
01:16:18,033 --> 01:16:18,066
I know.

1705
01:16:18,066 --> 01:16:19,734
It's odd phrasing, but you're right.

1706
01:16:19,734 --> 01:16:20,367
That is correct.

1707
01:16:21,433 --> 01:16:22,066
That was it?

1708
01:16:22,433 --> 01:16:22,667
No.

1709
01:16:24,033 --> 01:16:25,066
2 96.

1710
01:16:27,066 --> 01:16:27,867
This one, I'm pretty.

1711
01:16:28,066 --> 01:16:28,300
I, I.

1712
01:16:29,133 --> 01:16:31,667
Found this, and I talked myself out of it, but since we're here, Mr

1713
01:16:31,767 --> 01:16:32,433
Pryor said,

1714
01:16:33,433 --> 01:16:36,033
it was not a condition of approval for lots to be merged.

1715
01:16:37,133 --> 01:16:37,266
Merged.It was

1716
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:39,033
semicolon.

1717
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:41,734
It was a condition proposed by the applicant prior to approval.

1718
01:16:41,734 --> 01:16:44,500
Mm-hmm okay, so that not so we don't need, we didn't need, my

1719
01:16:44,500 --> 01:16:45,100
point was we don't.

1720
01:16:45,533 --> 01:16:49,000
Don't need to make it a condition of our approval because it was essentially

1721
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,333
a preexisting condition to the application.

1722
01:16:51,333 --> 01:16:52,333
That's what I got myself to.

1723
01:16:52,333 --> 01:16:53,133
But at first threw me off.

1724
01:16:53,133 --> 01:16:53,533
It's like,

1725
01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:56,000
there would be no application if they did not merge the loss.

1726
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:56,033
Yes.

1727
01:16:56,433 --> 01:16:56,767
Okay.

1728
01:16:56,934 --> 01:16:57,100
Okay.

1729
01:16:57,367 --> 01:16:58,066
That's all I had.

1730
01:16:59,066 --> 01:16:59,033
Oh, cool.

1731
01:16:59,767 --> 01:17:00,100
All right.

1732
01:17:00,266 --> 01:17:02,867
I do want to get the two versus three, correct?

1733
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:03,734
It should have been three.

1734
01:17:04,767 --> 01:17:07,033
Yeah, either they missed, I, I don't want to correct.

1735
01:17:08,033 --> 01:17:11,166
What was said, because the minutes have to reflect what was said, not what

1736
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:14,734
We, he meant he should have said, right.

1737
01:17:14,734 --> 01:17:15,300
Understood.

1738
01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:19,133
So maybe that's what he said, but it just we're just gonna have her

1739
01:17:19,133 --> 01:17:20,834
go, but it was just like, it was a big thing.

1740
01:17:20,934 --> 01:17:21,166
It was.

1741
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:23,433
Three units that we approved not to .

1742
01:17:23,433 --> 01:17:23,900
Yeah, exactly.

1743
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:27,867
No, no, no. I fully agree. I fully agree. And we're gonna defer the

1744
01:17:29,133 --> 01:17:30,433
We're gonna defer until next month.

1745
01:17:30,767 --> 01:17:31,100
Okay.

1746
01:17:32,033 --> 01:17:34,000
Now I need to look at my calendar cause.

1747
01:17:35,233 --> 01:17:36,634
I'm thinking that

1748
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:38,567
I will not be here next month.

1749
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:39,133
Oh.

1750
01:17:40,166 --> 01:17:40,166
No,

1751
01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:42,133
I will be in Scotland.

1752
01:17:43,066 --> 01:17:43,333
Well,

1753
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:45,433
well, Hells bells, woman.

1754
01:17:57,333 --> 01:17:58,900
I will not be here on the 15th.

1755
01:18:03,667 --> 01:18:05,000
I'm hoping we don't get any applications.

1756
01:18:05,900 --> 01:18:06,567
are you here?

1757
01:18:07,066 --> 01:18:08,667
I it's a 50 50 shot.

1758
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:10,066
It's audit season.

1759
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:11,433
.

1760
01:18:12,166 --> 01:18:12,533
Okay.

1761
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:14,767
I will not be here.

1762
01:18:15,834 --> 01:18:16,033
Okay.

1763
01:18:16,033 --> 01:18:16,667
We'll let, neither will.

1764
01:18:16,734 --> 01:18:17,867
I we'll let Doug know.

1765
01:18:18,667 --> 01:18:19,100
Okay.And we'll see.

1766
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,033
So we need.

1767
01:18:22,166 --> 01:18:23,367
Laura or I have to be here.

1768
01:18:23,667 --> 01:18:27,100
One of the, two of you officers has to be here, Laura, other Laura

1769
01:18:27,066 --> 01:18:28,166
other Laura, other Laura.

1770
01:18:28,433 --> 01:18:29,300
You're standing Laura.

1771
01:18:29,433 --> 01:18:29,767
Yeah.

1772
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:32,033
Other Laura has to be here or you not.

1773
01:18:33,133 --> 01:18:35,634
And then we have on 2 34 alternates.

1774
01:18:35,634 --> 01:18:36,634
So we're good with that.

1775
01:18:37,533 --> 01:18:38,567
Oh, Kevin could be here.

1776
01:18:38,634 --> 01:18:40,767
He could, he could, depending as an officer, right.

1777
01:18:40,767 --> 01:18:41,900
Kevin could be here as well.

1778
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:42,367
All right.

1779
01:18:43,233 --> 01:18:45,266
I just wanna let y'all know that I'm not gonna be here on the

1780
01:18:45,266 --> 01:18:45,567
15th.

1781
01:18:47,033 --> 01:18:48,066
Motion to adjourn.

1782
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:51,100
I make a motion to adjourn seconded.

1783
01:18:49,133 --> 01:18:49,000
Adjourn.

1784
01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:53,367
I'll second that moved and seconded all in favor.

1785
01:18:54,467 --> 01:18:54,533
Aye.

1786
01:18:54,533 --> 01:18:54,667
Aye.

1787
01:18:54,734 --> 01:18:55,033
Aye.

1788
01:18:55,500 --> 01:18:56,066
Thank you all.

1789
01:18:56,066 --> 01:18:56,900
Appreciate your.

1790
01:18:57,700 --> 01:18:59,100
Appreciate your business very much.

1791
01:18:59,166 --> 01:18:59,667
Thank you.

1792
01:18:59,867 --> 01:19:01,634
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