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We're ready in the
chambers. The Fairbanks Burough Assembly

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joint work session is called to order
with the Animal Control Commission.

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Madame Clerk, will you please call the
Animal Control Commission role? Miss

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Butler.

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Miss

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Excuse me.
Here,

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Mr.

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Swan. Miss Mr. Swan,
I'm present. Thank you.

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Miss Sherman here. Miss Rosenberg here.
Miss Olness here. Miss Rudy here. Miss

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Gardner here. Here is a quorum of the
animal control commission. Thank you

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madam clerk. Will you please call the
role for the assembly? Mr. Guttenberg

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here. Mr. Roderman here. Miss Reese
Ramos here. Mr. Lagginus here. Miss

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Wilson here. Miss Kelly here. Miss
Haney? Yes ma'am. Mr. Crass here. Miss

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O'Neal here, it's quorum of the
assembly. Thank you. Uh, tonight we are

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gathered today to hear from the um
animal shelter replacement project an

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update from the administration and
consultant. Um, at this point we'll

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request an update from Mayor Hopkins and
the consultant on the shelter placement

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project.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Faster around.
All right. Uh hello everybody. Thank you

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for coming today um to this joint
hearing um regarding the 65% Divi design

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status for the animal shelter
replacement. This uh we're here really

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because uh the assembly last summer
requested an update from the consultants

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and the design team and the
administration when we get to the

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65% design status. Um I am no engineer
nor an architect. And so if you have a

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question about what 65% mean versus 35%,
please ask the um design team here in

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the in the staff box what that means
because it's not just 65% complete and

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we've got twothirds of the building
designed. It is it is more than that. Um

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the animal shelter, as we all know, was
initially built in 1974 following the 67

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flood when our animal when our
population voted for animal control

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powers. Since then, our population has
doubled and our building is now 50 years

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old. Happy birthday. The uh KIP back in
2017 and as the the KIP process has

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moved forward, the capital improvement
plan, um the scoring process has rated

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this in several years ago as the number
one needed and rated project of all of

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the upgrades, um new facilities and um
maintenance improvements that we need.

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And that's why this project has has
moved forward um leading to where we are

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today. Um objectively speaking, I would
say we we need a new animal shelter. It

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is 50 years old and um I was fortunate
enough to do a tour with the staff

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several weeks ago to see what it looks
like inside to understand the need for

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it. um looking at where we we sit today
um and the the design that we have, you

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know, it's a it's
a the consultants did a capacity study

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um with our animal shelter staff looking
at the numbers for trying to understand

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how big of a shelter we needed. Um and
we there are no other buildings in town

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that we have found that were adequate to
just refurbish. We looked at Joy

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Elementary as a possible um remodel for
office space and had a consultant um

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here locally look at that and would have
been 22 million just for offices. And

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this morning the public works team and
my office team met with uh Dr. Scott

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Learned of Design Learned um firm DLI uh
Design Learned Inc. to understand some

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of their comments and and uh ways that
they would look at

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designing a new shelter or addressing um
what what they would look at if they

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were doing a review of other people's
designs. And in that conversation we had

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with them this morning, we talked about
what happens if you want to use a new

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building or use something that's already
in place. And he clearly and and

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unequivocably said as they've done many
many many of these, it rarely and almost

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never pencils out where there's a
savings for using a new building. If we

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were able to repurpose any of the
schools that have been closed in our

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community, they would need to tear down
all of the interior of those buildings,

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pull up the slab, replace all the
plumbing and all the HVAC system, and so

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you'd be left with a shell. And that
work rarely in his experience of long

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time going has ever penned out um to be
cheaper than than new construction.

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Additionally, looking at the schools
that the school board will be closing

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that there are no more schools that
we're getting right now. We're not uh

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just last night the school board voted
to keep two rivers. Um they have not

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decided what they're doing with Pearl
Creek and Midnight Sun is um staying in

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the district usage. So we're not getting
new facilities from the school district

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to be able to use for this. Um one of
the during that tour that I had, you

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could see the problems with the shelter
in its 50-year-old lifespan. The cement

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door jambs were crumbling. There are
three different heating systems. The

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roof is currently a tarp that is held
down to the roof. uh is tied down.

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There's ice damming inside. There's
exposed conduit and wire. Um the barn

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for the animals in the back is very
small and surrounded by chainlink fence.

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That's very dangerous for animals to be
there. They keep turtles and rabbits in

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dog pens. Um the cats uh are housed in
the same room where they do euthanasia

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on cats and other animals. They pull a
screen um to be able to provide some

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separation from the animals as other
animals are are euthanized for various

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reasons there. As we all know, the
surgeries are held many times on the

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floors uh in the the clinic room and the
surgery table is a medium-sized sink

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with a grate over it. The they have a
number of capacity problems, but not all

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the time. Um and and often of different
types of animals as well, from rabbits

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to um puppies to to cats. As I said, uh
the Indigo experts and consultants that

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were brought on as the experts in this
structure in this field did a capacity

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study uh to get to where we are today
with the number of cages and and um

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holdings for the different types of
animals that we have. If you want to

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descri ask questions about that matrix
or what they went through, please I I

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refer their questions to the experts as
I am not them. Um the need for a new

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animal shelter is real. The question is
um why do we bring you guys here today

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and that is to be able to ask the
questions that to make the you feel

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either comfortable or get to a point
where you understand why we this

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building is designed the way that it is.
Um we wanted to make sure we brought the

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consultants up to provide transparency
in this process have this large joint

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hearing to be able
to ask any questions you have. There is

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no time limit on this meeting today. So,
we are here

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until we drop the gavvel at the end of
the night. Um, and I think it's

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important to be able to have these
discussions and provide this

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transparency because oftentimes
transparency is the best or sunlight is

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the best disinfectant. And this is a big
project and a big project for our

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community that many people have voiced
support and and concerns and questions

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about and we want to make sure those
questions have an opportunity to be

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answered. And that's why we're here
today. Indigo is here as the design

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expert. Bennisworth North is the
architect to make sure that this

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building is up to Interior Alaska
standards. Um, and we had our

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conversation with Scott with Dr. Scott
Learned this morning to make sure we um

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were able to field a number of the
questions that his name has come up

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regarding. And early on in the project
and up through most of the 35% design

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phase, uh the design team and our public
works department and our shelter and

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animal control staff worked with a woman
named Dr. Kate Hurley um for most of

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that work and she is uh the person that
wrote the ASV which is the American shel

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shelter veterinarian standards of which
standards across the country or shelters

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across the country are built to. Um she
is no longer part of this project so you

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won't see her name on it. Um and uh that
had to do with when we added drop off

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shel nighttime drop off shelters. That
is against that ASV code um for other

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standard areas. But um so much of the
design on the floor plan was built with

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the expert on hand, but I do not want to
break her our promise to her to not give

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her to to keep her name off of this
project in

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general. Um we currently, as discussed
during the capital improvement plan um

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meetings that we had, there's no current
plan when we will build this building.

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I'm not moving forward with a
appropriation appropriating ordinance

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next week. Um we can work with the
assembly if that's the decision that the

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nine of you want to go with um and what
that time frame looks like if this is

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the right project for it. Um but I
wanted to make sure we had the

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transparency for it as we move forward
this conversation on a needed

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replacement of the shelter that we have.
Um uh we've talked a lot about school

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funding and the needs for projects all
across the bureau, but the money for

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this facility is still there in the
CIPMR fund. Um fortunately earning

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revenue to be able to put towards
projects in the future, but um also

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still there for an assembly to make this
decision as we all work together to move

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forward. That's all I've got for an
opening here, but I want to make sure I

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also thank um design um Indigo for
coming up um to be a part of this

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presentation tonight to support our
community and this decision as we move

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forward as well as Bedworth North for
all the work that you guys have done um

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up to this point uh on this project as
well as Dr. Cole for being here to talk

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um about the uh impacts or opinion and
viewpoint from the private sector and um

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veterinarians here and across the
bureau. So, uh, thank you for that and

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able to answer the few questions that I
am able to answer, uh, before I pass it

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off to, um, all of you and the experts
themselves. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor

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Hopkins, Assembly Member Gotenberg.
Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Um, you've come

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late to this and you've seen the broad
general picture. So, maybe the first

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question to ask
is what is the perception that is usable

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life left on the existing fac? Is it
next year? Is it five years? What is

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your perception? And then you can pass
it off.

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Um I I'm not as I am no engineer nor
architect. Like I said, the our

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Department of Public Works might have a
better answer on that. Um there are I do

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know that there are things that are not
fixable. The roof is not something that

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we can continue to put more work and
more energy and money into. And it is

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literally a green tarp tied down to the
roof. um it is a matter of time versus

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um uh a set date on when it's needed.
Plus just the simple

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um uh problems with the facilities, the
exposed conduit, the flow, the um safety

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of um the animals in there, uh
everything like that, the the staff

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needs, the public needs are no longer up
to to code and placement. So, um I could

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not give you a a hard deadline on when
the building would be unusable. Um that

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might be a question for public works or
for um the experts here, but this code

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the scoring system in the kit process
rated at number one and that was why it

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has moved forward to this point that
like you said I came late to the game

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too. Okay. Thank you. Any other
questions from the animal commission or

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from the assembly?
Okay. Looks like we're ready for the

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presentation.

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Great. Thank you. Um
uh first I'll introduce myself. Um Tracy

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Vanerdo. I'm the president of Betworth
North Architects and I'll speak a little

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bit more about our credentials and our
commitment to this uh project and to

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this um to our community here. Um the
agenda that the mayor and our clients

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through the public works have asked us
to cover and update is u a bit about

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ourselves. So, we'll do that, Bruce and
I are in particular, and then talk a bit

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about the purpose of this project and um
Dr. Cole will be speaking on behalf of

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the of her um uh assessment of the um
the benefits of this new shelter. Um and

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then, um Kimberly will be speaking about
the existing facility, maybe a bit more

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detail about the existing conditions
that they're practicing in. We'll

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highlight on the process that we've been
through since we were awarded this

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project. and um the the uh amount of
effort and meetings and progression and

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I'll speak to that bit succession of how
we work with the bureau through a 35%

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design 65% 95 and 100. We're right now
in the middle of the 95% development. So

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I'll speak to more about that and we'll
present the design to you with the site

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amenities and the medicine and care
specific design considerations that we

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put into this project will be covered by
Bruce. Um and then we'll close and and

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like the mayor mentioned, we're um then
open for questions. Now, this is our

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first meeting in a series of tour we're
on. Tomorrow night, we'll be um

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presenting at the open house, so
hopefully folks can join us

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there. So, like I mentioned, I'm Tracy
Vanerdale. I'm uh born and raised here

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in Fairbanks, and I'm proud to be the
president of a firm that has a legacy of

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over years. Um, we have offices in
Fairbanks and Anchorage. I, um, manage

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the Fairbanks office. We have landscape
architects, architects, and interior

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designers. And with me here tonight, I
have my business partner, Mark Kimmer,

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as well as our director of interior
design, Dana Nun, and um, Genevie

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Bologone is also um, the project manager
who has um, led this project through

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inception. And then also with me is
Bruce, and you'll be hearing a bit more

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about him.
as we go through this. Um, a little bit

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more about Betazworth North. We do work
across the state. We only do work in

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Alaska. This is our home. We are going
to be here when this project is

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constructed and operated. And that's um
a a real commitment that we take

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strongly um and pride in in our
projects. So, burrow projects we've done

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across since I started with the company
in 1997. Um, a myriad of schools. Randy

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Smith, Denali, Nordale, Ryan, we did the
North Pole Library. We did several

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iterations of renovations at your Noling
Library, including the most recent one.

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Um, and it's really been a privilege
working with your public works

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department because they're um, they're
not only creative and um, holistic in

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understanding what first costs are
versus life cycle costs like what is it?

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Is it sustainable, maintainable,
resilient design decisions because they

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know from the operations side. Um but
also we've been involved in many of our

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public and civic projects in in
Fairbanks in particular like the um

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Fairbanks International Airport where we
had 17 specialty consultants helping

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that with the multi-phase as many of you
probably remember how many phases it had

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to go through to stay operational very
complicated very technical um we rely on

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specialists to help us with that
similarly on the uh central kitchen of

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image there on the slide um for your
school district we had a kitchen

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consultant help us with that. Heavily um
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um HVAC, ventilation, drains, um
freezers, that sort of thing. We rely on

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specialists. So um uh again, another
example there is the Fairbanks Memorial

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Hospital surgery edition that we
completed a few years ago. um highly

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specialized, highly medical um and we
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our same values and are collaborative
and best in the best. Um so with that um

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we are we were privileged to um team
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that this project not only served um uh
the community exact needs. That's very

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important to us that this is appropriate
for this place and this purpose. We know

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Fairbanks is unique. Um we are special,
but we also want to recognize what are

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the highest um standards and best in
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that we serve here. So I'll turn it over
to Bruce. Thank you, Tracy. So we're

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pleased to bring our animal shelter
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you here in Fairbanks. And I think uh
one of our distinguishing

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uh marks is that we work closely with
basically the world's leading shelter

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medicine expert that is the UC Davis
shelter medicine program the paret

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program and that's where um Dr. Hurley
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earlier have been involved in the
project. So our mantra is that we only

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work with the best practices that are
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operate from our office in Davis,
California and most of our work is in

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the western United States and
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So that's me and uh um it just gives a a
synopsis of work that I've done in the

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past and been part of over the years
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this for over 20 years. I'm licensed
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Washington, Alaska, and New South Wales,
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I'm going to turn it over um
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to point out a few of the projects that
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we're currently assisting the Juno
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south state. And as you work down the
coast a bit, we have uh projects in

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Washington State. Seattle Feline Rescue
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south with Oregon, we also have
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the Medford area. And in California, we
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clients that we've worked with and for
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way from Dema County, which is in the
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down through the Bay Area and Southern
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know, that's a big terrain plus Alaska
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like to choose carefully the shelters
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have the big impact in bringing these
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project. So without further ado, that's
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Cole.

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Okay. Um, so my name is Dr. Dr. Barb
Cole. Uh, I am the owner of Aurora

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Animal Hospital. I've been a
veterinarian in this community for 17

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years now and I've been the owner of
Aurora of Aurora for 13 years,

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continuing a 50-year legacy of this
practice. Um, when I first moved to

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Fairbanks, one of the things that really
struck me was I was really impressed by

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the services that the animal shelter
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compared to other communities that I've
lived in, some with public animal

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shelters and some without. Um, in
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witnessed witnessed a significant
evolution in animal care within the

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veterary profession, within our
communities, within our households, and

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within shelter and rescue environments.
Um, I think we all know that the current

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FNSB animal shelter is antiquated and
unable to meet the needs of our

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community. The conditions are unsafe,
they're unsanitary, they're outdated,

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and they're very stressful for the
animals and the humans. Aurora Animal

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Hospital uh just recently underwent a
major facility upgrade. Um our original

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building had served us well for over 45
years. I believe it was built in 1975

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also. Um but we needed more space and
more features and so in uh 2023 we moved

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to our new location. It was a renovated
building um but it was designed to be a

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modern veterary hospital. And I think
this experience gives me a unique

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perspective here on the importance of
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Um, I have had the opportunity to review
the plans for the new shelter with the

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staff. Uh, and I do feel that this
project needs to move forward. The new

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design addresses critical issues and
brings our community shelter up to

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current standards of care. The design
incorporates features that will

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significantly reduce animal stress such
as designated an areas for the exotic

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animals, separation between the cat and
dog housing, and kennel designs that

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provide more space for the individual
animals. Decreased stress will also

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improve the quality of life for the
animals, the staff, the volunteers, and

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for
visitors. The the proposed new facility

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is not designed to be a full-fledged
veterary hospital, but it is designed to

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provide basic veterary care, including
spays and neuters in a modern and

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sanitary environment. We did do a little
bit of a comparison, and the planned

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surgery suite in the new shelter is
roughly half the size of mine in my new

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building. So, I don't think it's extra
extravagant. I do feel it's

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appropriately sized for the shelter's
needs. Um it is important to realize

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that a modernized facility has the
likelihood of reducing the time to

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adoption. So that will help increase the
overall adoption rate and improved post

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adoption success. I can attest also that
by having a properly designed and

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constructed facility, it it really
really improves the ability to retain

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and attract qualified staff, especially
professional staff. Um, the public will

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also have a greater interest in visiting
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facility. I agree that this is a
significant expense for our community

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and I wish it wasn't necessary. However,
I do feel that if we're going to invest

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in a new shelter, it needs to be done
properly, properly, and with a vision

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for the future. This facility needs to
serve our community for decades to come.

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I urge you to support the new animal
shelter design. This is an investment in

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the well-being of our community's
animals and a commitment to providing

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them with the care that they deserve.

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Next, we were just going to highlight a
few um pictures and Kimberly was going

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to walk us through some of the
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Thanks. Um good evening. I'm Kimberly
Amber, the shelter operations

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supervisor. Um I'm here tonight to
quickly speak on the current state of

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our building. Um and many of you have
heard me speak on this before, so it's

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just a quick recap. Um, I've worked with
animal at animal control at this

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building since 2011. So, I'm quite
familiar with the challenges that we

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face every day. The original building
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rabies control, empoundment, and
euthanasia being the focus. Since then,

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um, at that time, shelter guidelines did
not exist. And since then, our services

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have evolved to also prioritize quality
care, community services, and live

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outcomes. Um, our existing facility has
been added on and remodeled to multiple

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times since original construction. As
you can see in these pictures, the roof

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is not in great condition, as the mayor
mentioned, and it's been modified in

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attempts to keep it functional. Uh, the
outdoor kennels that you see are for all

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dogs in our care to eliminate. Uh, this
is problematic as they cannot be

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sanitized and we do not have a way to
truly isolate sick animals away from

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each other. And that is a problem in
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area. Um what you will also notice in
many of these pictures is the pipes in

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various types of corridors on the or on
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building and along the ceilings.
Finishes are failing. Drains frequently

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back up. Doorways, floors, and parts of
the walls are crumbling. All making it

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very labor intensive to achieve quality
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sanitation. At the beginning of this
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with the design team and their experts
who are presenting today. It was

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enlightening to learn from their
experience how the shelter guidelines

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and best practices would be implemented
in a new facility. It's totally

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different to try to make them fit into a
current facility that isn't built for

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those things. Um, our current facility
is cramped, uh, does not have a good

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workflow, and most spaces have many
functions that shouldn't be combined,

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such as surgery, euthanasia, and
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One major stress stressor to our animal
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that all animals enter the shelter
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here on the left. Um and that is
consequently very busy. The room that is

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used as a surgery room was not designed
for that specialty function which is a

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great hindrance to our care and to our
shelter veterinarian. As you can see

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here, some surgeries must take place on
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accommodate standard surgery equipment,
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veterinarians graduating now or in the
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unlikely. Due to the building being
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maintenance needs are spread out in
multiple rooms. These rooms are

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completely full of the equipment needed
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Seasonal changes such as springtime
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weaknesses, such as maintaining ideal
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There is not a shortage of urgent work
orders being sent to our maintenance

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department. I'm filled with hope for how
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when I look at the new building design
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Thank you, Kimberly. Um I wanted to
review those project goals that were

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outlined initially um boy quite a while
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they became our guiding light as we made
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facility or making economical decisions
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constraints. So the first desire was to
prioritize the properly functioning

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shelter space like Kimberly mentioned
optimizing the size for animal care and

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capacity to provide for all required
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throughout the building and the majority
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scenes. The second was to dedicate and
specifically design the space including

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indoor and outdoor housing care of
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conditions. We're going to walk you
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that both in the um care and management
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traffic um to and out of the facility to
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and uh yeah pens. And then third, a
design solution that is efficient and

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maintainable. And this is um a constant
with working with Fairbanks Northstar

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Bureau Public Works. It's that
resiliency of making good decisions um

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now so that you can afford to maintain
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the Association of Shelter Veterinarians

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guidelines for the standards of care in
animal shelters. And by the way, they

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have a companion document for the
subarctic conditions in Canada to

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implement these very same
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animals based on scientific evidence and
expert consensus. They are guidelines to

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reduce overcrowding, stress in animals
disease and improve the safety and also

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the outcome of those

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animals. I thought for today's um
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at the number five. As it turns out, the
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ASV guidelines are nutrition,
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mental state. So basically their
guidelines are intended to support each

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one of these
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guidelines or five freedoms as they call
it which actually they didn't these are

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ones you've probably heard before but
they didn't actually create these. They

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were created by a small animal care
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they've stood the test of time. So
they're they're the freedoms. freedom

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from hunger and thirst, freedom from
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to express normal behavior, and freedom
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the goal of any shelter to try to
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things. And the way we do that, and I've
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of your design to make sure that we can
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capacity for care. Capacity for care uh
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number of housing units and the
infrastructure to support it so that you

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can handle the anticipated number of
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much that you overload the shelter. It's
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build a shelter too big, guess what? The
animals will come and and if you don't

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have the staff and the cost of staff, by
the way, to support all that, then the

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animals length of stay we call it in the
shelter gets longer and longer and it

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can just sort of feed on itself and
create a very, you know, not very good

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outcome. That's very important and you
have the blessing of an excellent staff

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here who who is a director who's doing
minor miracles with um what you have to

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work with now. Their average length of
stay is six days for animals, dogs and

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cats and that's excellent for the type
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Well, enough already on implement
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Let's Oh, yeah. Let's just quickly I'm
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the second one actually is very
important to efficient pathways and

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separation of species. That's a critical
function of the shelter. And I'll show

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you how we've designed for that and an
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because it was never designed for that.
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make multiple uses of many different
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housing for cats and dogs. This is very
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nature has provided us all humans and
animals alike with the concept of of

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hygiene. And so for animals, it means
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provided for uh living, eating,
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that way all the time but it does often
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ingredient in the animals well-being
while being held by humans. Four is we

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of course we want to promote adoption
keep length of stay low and also very

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importantly not forget the people that
are taking care of the animal. They have

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to have the right tools and spaces and
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Sorry, next slide Stacey.
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and animal health, particularly
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guidelines call for uh 30 to 70%
relative humidity. So it' be ideal to

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have a humidification system in the
project and one is included as an

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alternative additive alternative. We can
talk about that later. And then the

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environmental um temperature control
needs to be between 64 and 80. And of

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course, that varies
depending, but you want to be in that

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sweet spot somewhere. And this would be
the best possible heating uh system

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using a mix of radiant hydronic heating
in the floor and airbased heating in the

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air. So, it gives you the benefit of
both of those and we can talk about that

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00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,160
later.

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00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:02,400
Thanks, Bruce. And I'll just mention
that the your double compartment um

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00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:07,040
description of the kennel is taped out
there on the floor in front of you on

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the right. The existing um kennel size
is there on the

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left. So we want to u touch base on the
process. Like I mentioned, we've been

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working on this for two years now. Um
had some pause in there. Um but we're

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eager to be uh producing on a 95%
document which will be um you know all

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of the construction detailing all of the
equipment. We're doing the fixtures,

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00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,560
furnishing and equipment as well. So
it's a very detailed package that the

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00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:43,680
bureau will have here in the coming
weeks for their review. The bureau takes

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a few weeks in between each submitt to
do their review and come back with

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00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:51,520
comments and we go through a burough
process of um what is to be included,

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00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:57,119
what is to be revised and what's to be
removed and we do that in segments along

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00:44:53,839 --> 00:45:00,720
the way. That's the bureau um um
practice that's the way they implement

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00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:05,839
most of their projects and it is our
industry standard. So there's concept

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00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:11,920
involved that's about 10% complete then
a 35% which I think a lot of folks um h

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00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:17,440
saw and was presented out about a year
ago with a series of open houses and

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00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:24,079
public meetings um and then we completed
through a 65% which really gets into

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more details and then again each one of
these has a review period of a a number

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00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:34,880
of weeks that the public works the
stakeholders

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00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:39,520
all uh reviewed um and then gave us
comments and we uh gave were given a

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00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:44,880
notice to proceed into the next phase.
Um an example of this process is um a

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bit of a reminder to have maybe have
your eyes checked is that chart on the

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00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:54,800
left. I'm sorry it's not very um
readable. Um yeah. Well, so the if you

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00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:59,440
just squint over the colors, the orange
um highlighted in there, this is just a

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00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:05,760
snippet of one of those phases from 65
to 95 where we met. Every orange color

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00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:10,319
is a meeting with the leadership and the
public works department. So over this

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00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:16,599
process, we counted up all of those
times and it was 21 meetings of review

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00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:21,920
um coordination,
collaboration, site visits, um and such.

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00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:28,160
And so some of these images show how
those meetings went with Dr. Pinto and

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00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:32,560
and her colleagues and staff. Um Sandy
meetings at the we were up in the

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00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:37,440
mayor's office like um uh Bruce
mentioned earlier for a number of days.

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00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:43,920
we were at our office, we were at public
works office at the shelter. So, um it's

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00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:48,800
very important that we uh our process
includes, you know, a bit of discovery

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00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:54,240
and investigation, but also listening
and learning and then looping that back

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00:46:51,280 --> 00:47:00,400
to, you know, review to solutions and
review and that we do that all along the

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00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:05,440
way. So, um I appreciate everyone's time
that have contributed to this because

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it's um it is important that we get it
right and it's a collaboration and it's

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00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:17,760
truly your building um and it needs to
represent the needs.

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00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:22,000
Um so with Luke and Sandy and Kimberly
and Dr. Pinto leading um those

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00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:27,800
stakeholder me meetings. It was very
informative and

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00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:34,880
um so that's a little snapshot of the
process.

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00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Um and then we wanted to go um over the
design. And by the way, all the images

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00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:46,319
of these animals that I put in here,
they're Trip, Cleo, Penny, Latia, Silas,

460
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:50,800
Zulu, Katon, Clooney, Isabella, have all
been adopted except Penny, who is the

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00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,760
husky, not on this photo, but the first
photo. So, I'm proud to say that in just

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:48:01,280
a number of weeks there out of the
shelter. So, I'll turn it over to Mark

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00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:05,280
to talk a bit about the site amenities.
Thanks, Tracy. Um, hello everyone. My

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00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,800
name is Mark Cameron. I'm a landscape
architect with Bettersworth North. As

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00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:15,920
Tracy mentioned, I'm a business partner
and work out of Anchorage. Um, despite

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00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:19,119
my Anchorage status, I figured that a
lion share of our favorite projects for

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00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:25,599
landscape architecture have actually
been in Fairbanks. uh Ryan Elementary

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00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:31,200
School or Middle School, uh Chief Andrew
Isaac Health Center, numerous projects

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00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:36,400
on Fort Wayne to include hangers, uh
company operations facilities, barracks,

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00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:42,400
a child development center and housing,
and then the uh Pioneer Park master plan

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00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:46,400
uh that was adopted a few years ago uh
was our work and we're real proud of

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00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:53,040
that and are quite familiar with working
in Fairbanks and super happy to be here

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00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:58,079
to on this site tonight. Um, so this
slide there's an overall the red is the

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00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:04,000
overall site. It's south central in town
in the community in the burrow. So it's

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00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:08,839
a great location uh for access by folks
uh that are visiting and by staff uh via

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00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:14,400
the old
rich. The uh zoning is general use uh

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00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:19,680
which is appropriate. Again, the site
and adjacent uses uh we feel are uh

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00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,680
outstanding for this type of use due to
the incinerator

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00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:30,960
uh barking, some other sounds you might
hear as well as potential o uh odors. Uh

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00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:37,559
it's approximately 5 acres in size. All
the appropriate utility connectivity was

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00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:42,240
there. Uh it has great sight uh soil
conditions and Tracy mentioned one of

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00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:49,680
the drivers before was safety and
security. So we this this project

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00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:57,920
provides that uh by being able to
provide outdoor space for the dogs and

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00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:04,440
other animals like horses, goats. I I
guess those are exotics. Uh but it's a

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00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:10,400
it's far superior to the
current situation. The site plan that

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00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:14,640
Tracy put up on the screen uh shows the
building in blue. Uh, I think a lot of

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00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:20,240
you folks are familiar with what this
looks like, but we've divided the site

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00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:26,040
design up into two distinct zones. To
the upper left is the public zone. So,

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00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:31,599
you can see an arrival drive off Leisure
Street. Um, good wayfinding. There'll be

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00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:37,680
a wayfinding sign as you come in, a drop
off right at the main entry, and then,

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00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:41,760
uh, 31 parking spaces uh, available for
visitors. Uh the neat thing about this

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00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:46,559
site and its size is that you can
actually look into the future. So we can

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00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:53,079
actually and have planned if necessary
to expand that parking out to uh add uh

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00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:58,480
it up to 44
spaces. Uh the other entry off of

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00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:04,079
Leisure Street accesses the uh staff
area. So there's staff parking in the

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00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:10,000
number of 31 spaces or I'm sorry 30. Uh
there's a a digital gate uh with

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00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,680
controller the entire back part of that
site. You can see from the north corner

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00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:17,200
of the building all the way around to
the south uh west corner of the building

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00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:21,920
that dark line that goes on the edge of
the site is 8 foot high chain link

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00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:25,640
fencing that does have privacy slats in
it. And there's other fenced areas

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00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:32,160
within there.
Um, but we've made it so the vehicular

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00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:37,040
circulation and pedestrian circulation
for public and staff are totally

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00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:42,160
separate. Uh, the the area in the back
has ample storage for the containers.

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00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:49,200
the shelter currently stores uh
materials in their trailers. And there's

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00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:54,160
also space for uh good snow clearing uh
operations and snow storage down in that

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00:51:51,839 --> 00:52:00,079
south corner. And then out in the the
bigger main area in the um northeast

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00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,319
corner,
uh

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00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:10,800
the some things that Bruce will mention
here in a bit in terms of circa

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00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:16,079
circulation and separation of public and
staff. Uh you'll see that on the

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00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:21,520
interior as well. Uh and with this the
staff has direct access to kennel rooms

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00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:24,680
and to the pens uh or the animals rather
have direct access out into that back

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00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:30,960
area for
exercise and the stalls for the uh

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00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:36,400
exotics are appropriately sized uh
compared to what they have uh now in

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00:52:34,359 --> 00:52:41,839
particular. That's all I have for the
site. U thanks for your time and I'll

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:45,839
pass it back to Tracy.
Thanks Mark. um for orientation

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00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:50,160
purposes, imagine this building that
you're seeing now at an angle is now

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00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:55,280
when you start seeing the plans, we
rotated it um so so we could get as

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00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:59,599
large as possible on this slide. So that
while that north entry is up there for

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00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:05,240
the public, let's say the south is more
the private and staff, we're rotating

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00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:10,720
that 45 degrees
clockwise. Um but first we wanted to

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00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:17,040
show you um a current rendering of the
exterior. It's um basically a

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00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:21,920
rectangular box and we were directed to
remove the clear story um for cost

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00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,680
consideration. So that has been removed.
We have simplified the entry main canopy

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00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:32,160
while still providing a lighted
protected entry sequence for this public

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00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:38,000
um uh you know entity of a of a
facility. We have a a long drop off lane

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00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:44,160
there at the front curb accessible
parking just out of this image. Um uh

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00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:48,559
the idea was to accommodate open houses
and fairs and rabies clinics clinics and

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00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,680
such so that the parking sort of
accommodated some of those

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00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:04,720
uses. So as Tracy mentioned now the plan
is rotated so we're looking at it left

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00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,240
to right. I'm glad you pointed that out
Tracy because that can be a little mind

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00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:14,079
bender if you're not used to doing these
things. Uh I mentioned earlier that we

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00:54:11,839 --> 00:54:18,960
had one of the key features is
separation of species and efficient

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00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:22,800
pathways in the building. These are
hugely important for animal shelters.

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00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:29,359
And what we've given you here is a
design that's optimized in that regard.

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00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:35,119
The entire um building is designed
around these flow pathways which ensure

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00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:39,119
that the spaces that we provide are
going to be in the right location and

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00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:44,160
serve the shelter in the best way. The
green arrows are public access. So up

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00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:48,960
there in the upper right says public
access. That's the public entry that

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00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:52,720
Tracy just showed an image of. So the
public will come in at that point.

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00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:59,280
They'll be greeted by an ample reception
area. All the buildings have vestibules

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00:54:55,680 --> 00:55:04,559
on them for climatic concerns. And when
you're in the reception area, there's an

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00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:10,400
opportunity to go right and you're cat
award, so to speak. If you go left,

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00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:15,680
you're on in the dog uh environment. And
so those two things have to be separated

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00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,920
and they are in the shelter design. The
the public also has access to a

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00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:25,680
community meeting room which can be made
available after the shelter hours are

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00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:31,440
over. You can hold meetings in that room
and those have direct access out to dog

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00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:36,480
run. So, for example, if you have an
animal education class, you can take

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00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:40,640
animals right out into a yard space and
try out what you learned in that class.

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00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:45,280
Meanwhile, on the other end of the
facility, there is a public access

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00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:50,079
specifically for night drop, and that's
a green arrow there. There's a separate

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00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:55,200
room for that. Other than that, the idea
is to basically, and what makes this

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00:55:52,559 --> 00:56:00,720
plan so unique, I think, is it's very
simple. It's a rectangular plan and we

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00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:05,359
have the public on one end and the staff
on the other. Sounds like rocket

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00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:10,480
science, right? But you'd be surprised
how many plans evolve into something

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00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:14,480
more than that and it gets doesn't get
better. I'll put it that way. We've

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00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:19,280
managed and Bettisworth has been great
to work with us on that is keep this

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00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,960
plan exceptionally simple and design it
entirely around these flows. Only in

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00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:29,920
that way do you end up with a really
functional facility. There's um 10

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00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:36,400
quarantine dog kennels located, five ice
uh isolation dog kennels, four 24 flex

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00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:43,200
adoption kennels, and there's a future
potential or if it's done with the al

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:48,559
design additive alternate six on the end
of the building. Other concepts here

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00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:53,520
briefly would be that accomplishers
officers can bring animals in from the

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00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:58,720
left where it says staff access uh and
it would be through an Sallyport if uh

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00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:03,359
that's enacted as also an additive
alternate and those animals can be

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00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:09,160
brought directly back to the quarantine
area where they can be admitted and put

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:15,599
in a cage and then the
acco that access is available 24 hours.

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00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:20,000
Lastly, I would just mention that we
have placed we've managed to place this

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00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:26,079
sounds a little crazy too, but the
central food laundry area in the center

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00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:30,559
of the building. And that's important
because that's where immediate access

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00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:34,480
and and convenience can be provided to
all the staff. A lot of it will be off

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00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:40,319
of carts. They can replenish in that
location and get quickly either to cat

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00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:45,280
housing or dog housing. A common mistake
on shelters um even from those that

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00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,119
should know better is they put that back
by the loading dock so to speak and

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,760
that's the worst place to put it because
now you forever condemn the facility to

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00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:58,240
be served with a long run to the back of
the facility. Meanwhile, you only have

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00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:03,520
deliveries every so often. So it makes
sense and you have to plan it this way

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00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:08,559
beginning. Um let's look at the next
slide then.

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This plan, this is the same plan, but it
shows reveals the walls and furnishing

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00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:19,520
and caging a bit better. And you can see
the dog kennels in the lower run there

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:25,119
along central corridor. And then there's
a secondary corridor that I mentioned up

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00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:31,119
above where cats would access. The
medical treatment area for the shelter

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00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:36,480
is located just above that last set of
dog kennels, the quarantine dog kennels.

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00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:42,400
And then lastly, there's acco on the
upper left corner and um the night drop

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00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,480
room is highlighted in color there on
that end of the building and again that

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:51,839
has public access and would be available
after

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00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:57,200
hours. Uh next slide. So here we have a
view of the reception area. There'll be

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:03,680
multiple stations there and public would
be perceived these days and your shelter

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:09,119
is operated more ever since the pandemic
more on an appointment basis which is

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00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,319
good practice to prevent overcrowding in
in reception areas like this and also

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:19,040
serves to separate species. Some
shelters you'll go to the dogs and cats

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00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:23,880
intermingling in the foyer. It's not a
great thing. So here that can be managed

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:30,319
through an appointmentbased
system. Next one. Okay. So here is the

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00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:35,200
drop off kennel, the night drop. And
there's sort of a transparent view of it

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00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:40,160
on the left, that three-dimensional view
which shows that you've come in the

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00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:46,240
building um through a public door. And
there's five kennels located there where

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00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:51,599
presumably a dog would be left at left
in one of those kennels and it locks

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00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:56,960
behind itself. So once the dog is in
there, it can't be uh stolen later.

598
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,920
Sadly, that's a phenomena with animal
shelters is animals get stolen. So we

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00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:06,960
don't want that to happen. The picture
on the upper right is the existing drop

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01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:11,280
off aging. It's sort of a pass through
solution. I think this room that's been

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01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:16,240
developed is a much superior one. For
one thing, you can have an access door

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01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:22,079
as shown in that 3D diagram into the
room from the staff area of the U

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:30,720
shelter. And this this slide's a good
one because it reveals the benefit of

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01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:35,839
the double uh housing for dogs. So,
these are the dog kennels. And I I

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01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:41,359
didn't mention the second benefit of
double-sided tenneling, which is you can

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:46,760
move the animal in one side and you can
clean the other side, reducing staff.

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:51,680
And did I mention that? Well,
anyway, you it reduces the stress in the

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01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,079
animal and makes the shelter easier to
clean because there's less handling of

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:02,319
the animal. And that's been proven in in
studies um in part by UC Davis. I might

610
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:07,359
mention the number of kennels. Um there
are 39 kennels to be provided and

611
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:13,440
importantly they are all double-sided
kennels. They are all larger and they

612
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:18,520
all have the proper environmental
controls, the proper sanitary

613
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:23,359
drainage. They are
um altogether different than the the

614
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,359
kennels you have now. So you can't
really compare existing to new without

615
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:33,760
talking about the separate functions for
quarantine, isolation, and flex

616
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,640
adoption. So you got this is a really
solid set of kenneling for your shelter.

617
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:43,920
I will turn it back to Tracy. By the
way, we're almost done in case any

618
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:51,280
wondering. Tracy,
um thanks Bruce. I want to um

619
01:01:46,839 --> 01:01:55,440
identify two of the four additive
alternates. these design alternates,

620
01:01:53,280 --> 01:02:00,960
these options, should we be able to
afford them, they constructed in line

621
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:05,280
and in sequence with the project. Um,
two of them are physical elements there.

622
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:11,079
Noted on the far left is the Sallyport,
this drive-thru garage bay, um, which

623
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:16,720
would be greatly beneficial for the
acco um, for unloading and loading of

624
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:21,440
animals. Um, and it fits a trailer and
within there and direct access inside

625
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:26,079
the facility. And then the other is the
addition of six um double compartment

626
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:31,839
kennels which again in the emergency
case could be used for 12 smaller

627
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:37,280
kennels and an additional um get
acquainted room there on the far right.

628
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:41,200
So you know should that be afforded that
could that whole wing right there could

629
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:47,359
be dedicated just to puppies for example
or to a to something in need if should

630
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:51,599
you get a flock of chickens or
something. I don't know. Seems like some

631
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:57,520
anything goes sometimes, doesn't it? Um
so um those are things that we design,

632
01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:02,400
we hope for, we prioritize with public
works input and direction. Um the

633
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:07,200
humidification is also another one of
those desirable features because of the

634
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:14,799
guideline information. and then also
additional um uh finishes um we we um

635
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:21,400
identified as opportunities that invest
into um while still considering the

636
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:26,480
budget and constraints. So
um uh we're happy to answer questions on

637
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:31,440
all of those but I just wanted to
highlight on those additional design

638
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:37,119
considerations that we have implemented
design. So, um, and Bruce talked a

639
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:44,640
little bit about the capacity. Um, so
that capacity analysis was done over a

640
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:49,799
five-year analysis. Um, it also included
the community size and projection

641
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:55,599
considerations into this right
sizing. We use shelter medicine trends.

642
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:02,400
We use the expertise of Bruce and his
staff to incorporate those. We used the

643
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:07,599
staff experience and expertise and input
to this plan. We provided for future

644
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:11,680
growth considerations and improvements.
We cited it like Mark mentioned for

645
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:14,200
those future opportunities on this
property of where what could be

646
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:22,640
considered
where. We uh used the ASV guidelines and

647
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:27,359
we programmed um this for the length of
stay that Bruce Bruce mentioned for

648
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:32,720
these animals. a consideration. It's so
important. Um, like I mentioned, um,

649
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:37,760
these animals, most of them that I took
pictures of not too long ago are now

650
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:44,520
adopted and we're so happy to hear that
and be a part of their

651
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,520
story. Thank you.

652
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:51,760
Thank you very much. um experts in the
room and um experts on on animal

653
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:56,559
shelters and and Fairbanks engineering
as we need it here done to um have a

654
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:00,720
building and a plan and a proposal that
uh can last another 50 years because um

655
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:05,200
before we go on and open it up to
questions, I want to make sure um I take

656
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:08,880
an opportunity to thank um those that
have gotten us here and that we are

657
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:13,520
having a discussion about a 50-year-old
building because of the work that our

658
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:17,280
public works staff does um every day
across the bureau, but especially on

659
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:21,200
this building. Um, it's held together
with Fairbanks ingenuity. Um, everything

660
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:25,000
from duct tape to tie wire while keeping
it safe uh, for our employees there and

661
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,359
our staff at the animal control
facility. I asked them to do a lot at

662
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:33,359
our public works department. Um,
everything from random questions to

663
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:36,799
large projects and designs and um,
running them through the the ringer. So,

664
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,400
I I want to say thank you to everybody
from the director to the project

665
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:44,960
managers, the engineers, the architects,
and everybody that I go in there when I

666
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:47,760
need a hammer or a or a tape measure.
Um, thank you to our public works

667
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:50,880
department for keeping this facility up
and running and and helping us get here

668
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:55,280
today so that we can have a good
dialogue and and allow transparency and

669
01:05:53,039 --> 01:06:00,400
sunlight on this project so people can
get a good feel for where we're at, why

670
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:04,880
this design is was what we've come to,
and understand that we have experts. Um

671
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,319
I want to in response to your question
Mr. Guttenberg um during that

672
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:13,440
presentation the answer to how many
years left in this is that it is well

673
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:17,520
beyond its useful life as described. So
it's not that there's a set date but um

674
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:23,760
many years ago it passed its useful life
and so we are here now um discussing how

675
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:28,720
we reset our our time clock. And um on
the next note I want to thank our animal

676
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:33,520
control staff. One thing that um Bruce
from with Indigo had mentioned was the

677
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:37,760
statistic that our average length of
stay is six days for an animal in our

678
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:42,799
shelter. This morning when we were
talking with Dr. Scott Learned, he said

679
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:48,079
I he asked what is your average day stay
because in the um Matt Sue comments the

680
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:53,359
comments on the Matt Sue shelter that he
made uh there it was 20 days and I said

681
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,760
I believe it's stay average safe for the
animal there and I said I believe it's

682
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:58,880
somewhere in the neighborhood of eight
but maybe I'm wrong and he said that

683
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:03,440
would be amazing if it was eight and we
have six is the stat. So the work that

684
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,839
they do every day to keep that shelter
up and running, animals um with as

685
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:11,200
little stress as possible with the
facility that they have at their

686
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,799
disposal is is beyond commendable and
it's minor miracles as Bruce said every

687
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:18,079
day there. So thank you to all the
staff, the front of house, the back of

688
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:23,440
house, the animal control staff that
work there every day. Um during my tour,

689
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:26,640
they asked me one thing and it was do
you notice anything? And I said no. And

690
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:32,480
they said well that's because you don't
smell anything in this facility. And as

691
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:36,079
um other uh audits or reviews of what
they do come in, people say you almost

692
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,960
never find an animal shelter that
doesn't smell. And that just goes to

693
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:43,359
show with the work that they do there.
Keeping it clean, um scrubbing down all

694
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:47,680
the non-standard surfaces that are 50
years old now is is amazing. So, thank

695
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,400
you for the work you guys do there. Um
thank you for public works department

696
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,599
and thank you for the experts because we
wouldn't be here uh with our community

697
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:59,200
and and being able to take care of our
animals um like we are and to the animal

698
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,440
control commission. Um, also and the
animal control staff. This job might be

699
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:06,079
hard for us here. Dealing with kids on
the school board might be harder, but

700
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,520
dealing with people's animals might just
be the hardest uh task that anybody has

701
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:13,280
in this community. So, thank you for
everything you do. And, um, with that,

702
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:17,920
open it up to the assembly and the
animal control commission. Thank you.

703
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:23,920
Thank you, Mayor Hopkins, and thank you
to the project team for a um, a

704
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:28,159
veryformational uh, presentation. At
this time, questions are in order from

705
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:34,799
any of the commissioners. Uh,
Commissioner Rosenberg. Yes. I have a

706
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:39,759
few questions and concerns. Um, looking
at the diagram, we have the term

707
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:48,480
exotics, and that could mean anything
from a snake to a bird to a goat. We

708
01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:54,759
have had a large number of rabbits
coming through and that's continuing.

709
01:08:51,440 --> 01:09:01,839
We've had goats
Um, chickens. There are times when we

710
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:07,440
have six, eight, 10 chickens and I beg
my neighbor who has chickens to take a

711
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:14,239
few. I want to make sure that how this
is set up that there's accommodation for

712
01:09:10,679 --> 01:09:21,839
that. So, you know, when we think of
exotic, we think of a snake or maybe

713
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:26,400
um a hamster, something in a cage that
could go in the lobby if it needed to.

714
01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:32,679
But these other things, especially when
we get numbers of them, where are they

715
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:38,239
going to go? The sally port I think is
essential not only for

716
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:44,560
security and you know when you're
unloading a truck but some of the

717
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:50,000
deceased animals and very vicious
animals that the officers bring in

718
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:56,800
should not be going through a publicly
viewed space. So that's another concern.

719
01:09:54,159 --> 01:10:01,920
Secure parking. I work in that
neighborhood. I'm a case manager with

720
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:11,120
homeless people. I'm regularly out on
weekends and nights in South Fairbanks

721
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:17,840
and staff come in very early sometimes
or have to come in um late at night or

722
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:23,800
the officers and we need something very
very secure for that. The double kennels

723
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:32,159
are ideal because when you have a
snowstorm and three staff call in sick

724
01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:37,520
or a co or whatever or a very anxious
animal, you can put them on one side,

725
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:43,280
clean it, throw a dog biscuit, have them
go on the other side. You know, it may

726
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:46,840
not be ideal, but it's reality. So, I'm
hoping all of that. And lastly, and then

727
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:53,040
I'll be
quiet. I'm regularly at Chief Andrew

728
01:10:49,920 --> 01:11:01,960
Isaac with clients and the parking lot
there is very very difficult unless you

729
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:09,640
have a tiny little car. So driving a van
or just a regular truck that many of us

730
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:15,199
drive parking there is very very
difficult. And I can tell you more than

731
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:20,000
once I parked in handicapped because I
wouldn't be able to get the client out

732
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:24,560
with their walker if I parked in a
regular

733
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:31,600
spot because people will be bringing
animals in coming out with animals back

734
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:36,320
and forth. Please, and most of us drive
larger vehicles, trucks or whatever.

735
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:41,840
Please make sure that the parking
accommodates that and is not standard

736
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:47,440
mall parking. And those are my comments
at the moment. And the shelter fund is

737
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:53,840
available and I'm sure we'll do some big
project whether it's a memorial garden

738
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:59,960
outside or beefing up the surgical
suite. We'll do something that's very

739
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:05,600
visible and large. Thank you. Thank you,
Commissioner.

740
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:12,120
Um, so, uh, are there any particular
questions for Dr. Cole?

741
01:12:08,679 --> 01:12:16,480
Um, any questions for Dr. Cole? Miss
Wilson? So, I guess I'm curious about

742
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:21,960
the surgery area and what kind of
surgery are we anticipating in here? Um,

743
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:26,560
I heard that we were talking about very
specific types now, but this is a pretty

744
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:33,360
large surgical area. So, are we
anticipating using that more?

745
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:39,199
Is that to Dr. Cole? Yes.
Um um Dr. Cole, can you jump into where

746
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:43,719
uh is sitting there? Yeah. Thank you.
Sorry for swapping around. Thank you.

747
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:51,120
Um my understanding that would probably
more of a question for Dr.

748
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:54,480
Pinto, but my understanding is it's
supposed to be just primarily spay and

749
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:58,320
neuters. I think that's a great idea.
Miss Dr. Pinto, are you able to answer

750
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:02,880
that? Can you jump into the mic so we
can hear it? Thank you. Sorry about all

751
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:08,560
the table shifting. Appreciate that.
We're not used to such a full house.

752
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,560
Well, we are, but mostly they say out

753
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:21,280
here. Push the button. Okay. Now, can
everyone hear

754
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:26,000
me? The surgical suite that is uh going
to be in the new animal shelter is

755
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:32,000
intended for spays and neuters. The hope
is that we can also take care of some of

756
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:37,120
the smaller problems uh that our
burrowowned animals have in house rather

757
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:42,400
than having to send them out. Um there
is enough space theoretically that if we

758
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:47,600
have funding for equipment we could
start cleaning teeth, cut down on stay,

759
01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:52,159
but it's going to be almost entirely
spay and neuters perhaps some small mass

760
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:57,360
removals and it's going to be for burrow
owned animals.

761
01:13:54,239 --> 01:14:03,080
And a followup, Miss Wilson. So, how
large is this area compared to what

762
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:07,000
there is currently? And if it's a lot
larger, I guess I'm trying to figure out

763
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:12,480
why that would
be. The surgical room itself is very

764
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:16,640
close in size to the room that we're
using as an entire veterinary suite

765
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:22,880
right now.
Uh the big difference here and the big

766
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:28,480
reason is that we are able to with
enough space have sanitary measures in

767
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:33,520
effect, safety measures in effect and be
able to keep the stress of our animals

768
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:38,800
down by separating dogs and cats. So at
this point my dogs are all recovering in

769
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:44,000
the same room where I'm doing surgery.
And there is a real risk every single

770
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:50,400
day of having either a dog fight because
there's no way to separate them or

771
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:52,840
having a dog drown because the drain
backs up onto the floor when they're

772
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:59,520
waking
up or um having an like a cat severely

773
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:05,679
injured because we can't keep them away
from the dogs. Not only that, but just

774
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:10,320
the basic premise of when I need to do a
surgery, we have to anesthetize the

775
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:14,880
animal, we have to shave the hair, and
we have to do a surgical preparation.

776
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:20,000
That should be done in a separate room
so that surgery can truly stay clean and

777
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:24,000
sterile. And I can't do that now. And
then lastly, could you just address, we

778
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,679
heard that the floors are heated and
they might get too hot for animals after

779
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:31,520
surgery.
I mean, I don't know enough about this

780
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:36,480
to so after surgery, our biggest concern
is actually hypothermia. Uh the animals

781
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:41,040
getting too cold and there are a whole
host of guidelines with making sure they

782
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:46,159
have blankets or towels underneath. Uh
the new plan includes having a heated

783
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:50,320
floor area for those animals. It's a
very light heat. It it adds a small

784
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:53,640
amount of warmth, but not in a dangerous
zone. We also do monitor temperatures

785
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:59,199
pretty
closely, like body temperatures. Thank

786
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:03,760
you. If there are no other questions for
Dr. Cole specifically, Dr. Cole

787
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:09,280
specifically. Yes, yours is. Yeah, Mr.
Gunberg. Okay, please. Yours is Thank

788
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:15,440
you. And and remember, Dr. Cole's a a
volunteer. She doesn't work for the Oh,

789
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:20,000
either doctor. It didn't matter. Um, so
my my question deals with the abnormal

790
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:25,679
situation and how that's handled. I
mean, we heard it's um spade and

791
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:30,320
neuters. Um but when something else
happens

792
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:35,920
um what is the process and how is this
new facility designed to facilitate

793
01:16:33,480 --> 01:16:42,880
getting something happened to another
clinic or um or handling it in house?

794
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:50,239
How how is that um functioning
functionality in this process?

795
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:53,600
Um yeah I think that probably more
oriented towards you guys. Yeah. So, one

796
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:58,960
more time, I'm just going to ask for
questions for Dr. Cole, who is not the

797
01:16:55,840 --> 01:17:04,080
doctor at I don't I don't do I don't
practice at the shelter. I have been

798
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:08,400
through the shelter. We do work on
shelter animals at my facility, but we I

799
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:12,800
don't practice at the current shelter.
She's a professional expert here today.

800
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:21,360
Okay. Do you have a question, Miss
Haney, for Dr. Cole? Okay. Hi. Who's the

801
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:25,840
firm that you used for your facility?
um similar to how um these folks have

802
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:31,120
done it. I had a partnership where I
used a architectural firm help with my

803
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:37,520
floor plan that was a veterary specific
architect and then I did use a a local

804
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:44,400
architect for the main design and build.
Do you remember who you used? Um Cedar.

805
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:49,600
Thank you. Uh Mr. Crass and this is a
bit more of a from an economic

806
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:54,080
perspective for as a business owner. Um,
do you we've gotten some comments that

807
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:57,280
there there may be some impact on
private businesses by the burough

808
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:02,000
building the shelter. Would you
anticipate uh the enlarged animal

809
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:06,719
shelter having an impact on your
veterinary practice? No. Other than

810
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:10,239
potentially having more pet owners in
the community that we can serve. Thank

811
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:16,960
you.
Or Dr. Cole. Yeah. Okay. Mr. Are you uh

812
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:22,239
are you one of the uh veterinarians that
help provide emergency services after

813
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:28,000
our care? Yes, I am. Thank you. I'd like
to speak to you off the record sometime.

814
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:30,800
Okay. Good job. Thank you.
Okay. Thanks so much for being here this

815
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:35,280
this evening. It looks like we've
exhausted all questions for for you and

816
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:40,960
really appreciate you uh participating
this evening. Thank you. So, in my queue

817
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:47,239
I have uh Commissioner Swan, Assembly
Member Guttenberg, and Assembly Member

818
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,239
Ree Ramos. Commissioner Swan,

819
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:56,719
thank you very much and thank everyone
for uh coming up tonight and

820
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:01,800
participating in this. I have a couple
of questions regarding um the

821
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:07,520
environment that's created in this new
shelter. One of them regard is in

822
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:13,600
regards to heating systems.
And my my main thing is dogs. I'm not

823
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:20,239
really good with cats. I have a c well
we my wife and I have a couple of them,

824
01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:26,000
but uh dogs are are really my bigger
concern. We could have at any given time

825
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:32,640
in that dog room. Everything from big
heavycoated Alaskan malamutes to little

826
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:39,480
Mexican hairless in terms of breeds. And
each of those breeds have their own

827
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:45,360
demands for for a comfortable
environment. One of my concerns is using

828
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:50,520
this this inf flooror slab heating is
that the floor itself may become much

829
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:56,719
too warm for the dogs to be able to
tolerate. So, I'm curious as to what

830
01:19:54,080 --> 01:20:05,320
design features will help ensure that
the floor does not get any hotter than

831
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:05,320
say about 84 degrees uh Fahrenheit.

832
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:12,239
Miss Vanderell, do you want to answer
that question? Yes, thanks. Um, I just

833
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:16,239
wanted to explain a little bit more
about the radiant heat. The radiant heat

834
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:22,400
is not directly underneath the kennels.
It is labyrinth through the walkways.

835
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:26,880
So, while these kennel spaces have
direct access to the exterior for the

836
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:31,840
animals to exercise or possibly go to
the dog pen for a visitation, tracking

837
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:36,880
in moisture and snow and that um the
walkways are heated throughout um the

838
01:20:34,480 --> 01:20:42,880
facility. There's 17 different zones of
that heat. Um and it's a combination and

839
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:50,640
they are monitored and um maximum
shutout. So that will be dialed in and

840
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:50,640
able to be monitored um with the system

841
01:20:52,360 --> 01:21:00,719
controls the kennels that you know this
is open air room but there's a

842
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:05,920
combination of um air heat you know
typical ventilation heat and uh the

843
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:10,719
radiant in the slab. Thank you for that
answer. Assembly member Guttenberg.

844
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:16,760
Thank you. I'm going to move away from
the animals. Um if you look at um slide

845
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:24,080
23
um dealing with the parking lots and bas

846
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:29,440
and specifically um snow removal, the
ability of snow equipment, snow moving

847
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:36,000
equipment to move in and out of there
efficiently in a place to move snow. um

848
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:40,080
we don't have to move it far, but um you
know, a year like today, you know,

849
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:46,239
sometimes the right angle corners or the
curves or or the um a lot of those

850
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:52,320
things. Um I urge you to look at the
ability of to match the equipment that

851
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:58,760
the bureau has to the parking lot size.
Make sure that

852
01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:04,560
um it can be done expeditiously and
fast. And and I have another question.

853
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:10,560
So, is as if I may, is the all of this
stuff that's going on with the with the

854
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:16,800
um animal control, the staff, has
anybody done um a walkthrough exercise,

855
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:21,360
right? Like taped down the the new
layout of the floors and the kennels and

856
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:27,360
walking through and just seeing what it
would actually be like to facilitate the

857
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:32,239
the entrance and exit of of and movement
of of uh animals through the process. I

858
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:37,440
mean, it's nice to see it on a plan and
say they walk right up here and then

859
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:42,080
they go over here, but um an exercise
with staff dealing with the dogs and how

860
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:45,639
they move them. Has that something like
that been done?

861
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:55,920
Take Mark's thunder on the snow. Um you
could see that um in the parking lots

862
01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:00,239
there's um quite a bit of this paved
area that has maybe nothing at the end

863
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:05,199
of an aisle or parking stalls without
curb stops and that. So the idea there's

864
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:11,360
a whole snow management and it's all
been uh reviewed by public works to push

865
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:16,400
and then the drainage swailes. So snow
storage is near and dear to us. It also

866
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:21,199
this design also accommodates the fire
access lanes that we are required. So

867
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:26,320
some of those even those pave lanes back
towards the dog yards you'll see they

868
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:30,480
terminate at a sort of a deadend stop
that's to allow snow to be pushed and

869
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:35,920
cleared and collected at those locations
without disrupting you know the walkways

870
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:42,719
and the access to different places. So
um snow uh storage and collection and

871
01:23:39,440 --> 01:23:47,600
drainage was definitely Thank you.
Thanks. And I'll address your other

872
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:52,800
question sir. I think um you have a good
point is there's nothing like show me

873
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:58,719
and I'll believe it. We have new tools
these days that sort of transcends the

874
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:03,920
that method and the entire building has
been modeled into a building information

875
01:24:01,679 --> 01:24:08,719
model. It's parametric model where every
bit and piece has its point in space.

876
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:13,600
And what that enables aside from just
getting a better construction result, it

877
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:17,679
enables preparation of exacting
renderings, some of which you've seen

878
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:21,840
today, that can give somebody the exact
idea of what it's going to be in a given

879
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:27,120
space. So, for example, walking down the
hallway, a view can be made that shows,

880
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:32,880
you know, anybody how that space will be
used. And then dimensions are always a

881
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:38,000
little bit of a a wild card, but it's
pretty effective like on hallways is to

882
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:41,600
tape out dimensions of how wide it's
going to be. And there was a lot of

883
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:45,440
discussion about hallway width in
particular just because of that point.

884
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:49,920
You have people with maybe an animal on
leash crossing uh each other. The main

885
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:54,960
hallway, by the way, is a little wider
to allow that. The other hallway didn't

886
01:24:52,239 --> 01:25:00,320
need that as much. And you know, the the
building overall is constrained by

887
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:05,280
ultimately by cost. There's a lot of
things I would just say that we could do

888
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:10,800
or might do for you, but these are
exactly the things that we think meet

889
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:15,199
your your exact demand. We can always
add we could make the as with the

890
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:19,840
example of the hallways. Sure, we could
make them wider, but every square foot

891
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:24,159
we add to the building, as you're aware,
adds to the cost. So, it's it's sort of

892
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:29,040
a sweet spot that you're looking for
here. And I think staff um is pretty

893
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:33,840
keenly aware of what what they'll be
getting with the built result partly

894
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:38,480
because of these parametric models.
Thank

895
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:41,840
you, Assembly Member Ree Charles. I have
a question and a statement and

896
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:47,719
unfortunately my question is for Dr.
Pinto.

897
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:47,719
Sorry.

898
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:57,120
Um, when you were speaking before, I
just wanted to clarify. Have there been

899
01:25:54,639 --> 01:26:00,880
dogs that have drowned while they're in
recovery?

900
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:05,920
No, there have not. But it has been a
genuine worry when I have two inches of

901
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:10,159
water on the floor. Okay. Thank you. Um,
and then my statement, if I may. Um, we

902
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:13,440
have a new administration. There's a lot
more people involved with this project

903
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:17,120
right now, so that are here. So, I just
want to make sure everyone's aware. Kind

904
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:22,639
of piggybacking on what Commissioner
Rosenberg said, um I work in the state

905
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:27,360
building just just down the road from
where this is going to be. Um and the

906
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:32,800
first three times that I drove the state
vehicle when I moved to that position.

907
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:36,719
Um the first time there was no catalytic
converter. Six months later we got it

908
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:41,120
back and I went to drive it again and
there was no catalytic converter. Went

909
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:44,320
back, got a catalytic converter. When I
went to drive it the third time, there

910
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:49,480
was no gas because someone had drilled
out the gas tank and siphoned all the

911
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:54,719
gas. So, just
security is important in that area.

912
01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:58,760
Thank you,
Assembly Member Roderman.

913
01:26:56,960 --> 01:27:03,760
Thank you.
Um, piggyback a little bit on the snow

914
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:11,840
removal. Just a suggestion. So, in the
um the visitor parking area, we have

915
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:11,840
that uh divider, if you will.

916
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:19,840
understand a lot of years plowing
snow. When I plow snow, I don't want to

917
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:23,679
be plowing snow. I want to be done
plowing snow. And I'm going to tell you,

918
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:26,560
the person that has to plow that parking
lot is going to be cursing you guys up

919
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:30,400
one side and down the other to have go
around that. Remove it just like he did

920
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:35,199
in the staff parking area. They can push
right through, push it out into the

921
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:39,719
grass. That's just a suggestion. Um, so
let's get to the big ticket item, cost.

922
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:47,120
um the Matsu animal shelter and I don't
know the size, don't know the square

923
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:52,440
footage. I just know that the cost was
significantly less. Um that that

924
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:57,199
facility I think was built in
2021. We're the last I remember the

925
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:00,760
first time when we were at 35% ran some
quick numbers we were at almost $2,000 a

926
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:06,719
square
foot.

927
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:12,239
Um I got I need some input on that real
fast on that. um before I hand it off to

928
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:18,400
the design team. Um the Matsu shelter
was built in 1996, 1994 uh and then

929
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:22,960
began to be refurbished based on these
comments in uh 2001 2002. So it was

930
01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:29,040
built in the '90s in their current
update um was just a rem um an expansion

931
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:32,320
of that facility and a remodel of some
of the problems that they ran into. That

932
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:36,080
was in 2021, I think. Something like
that. These are this from design learned

933
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:41,120
that was emailed to the assembly was
from 2021. So sometime between then and

934
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:45,280
now. So yes um additionally before I
pass it off to the design team to talk

935
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:49,040
about it the cost estimates were run
through a third party advis uh third

936
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:53,360
party review but um I don't know the
name of that consultant. It's a local

937
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:57,520
entity um but they ran it through their
own modeling and it came up with a very

938
01:28:55,440 --> 01:29:01,440
similar price as what we as what we're
understanding today with a $33 million

939
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:05,040
price tag. So um it's not just our
number. It was also reviewed and

940
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,159
confirmed by a third party analysis. So
with that, I will pass it off to um Miss

941
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:14,960
Van Hersel.
We're going to give you the trifecta.

942
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:18,320
I'll go next and then Bruce. Um we uh
toured that lovely facility. We've

943
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:22,880
toured several animal shelters in the
state. Dana and myself and another co

944
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:26,719
colleague with um your uh Jonathan
Shambari here of public works had a

945
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:30,800
really gracious tour from that user and
a lot of follow-up questions along the

946
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:33,600
way. uh what we understood and what we
saw. We learned a lot about the night

947
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:40,639
drop off there. So, they're a good
resource for how how that might work. Um

948
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:44,560
was it's basically a residential framed
house almost. I mean, originally the

949
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:49,440
original they've added on quite a bit
much like your existing animal shelter.

950
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:54,239
It's been added on. So um that original
construction and even the addition is

951
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:57,440
quite a bit different than what we're um
suggesting here which is more of a

952
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:02,639
commercialrade
uh burrow standard for a public facility

953
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:08,719
like this 50-year lifespan. It's steel.
It's you know concrete. It is it's of a

954
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:14,080
different um uh type of building
structure.

955
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:17,840
I'll just add to that that as you're
probably aware animal shelters are a

956
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:21,760
special building type. There's a lot
going on in them. There's expensive

957
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:26,400
finishes that need to be put in for
hygienic purposes. There's heavy duty

958
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:33,040
construction for the kennel areas, which
are masonry. And um there's a lot of

959
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:35,760
moving parts to them. There's medical
treatment areas. I mean, there's all

960
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:41,520
sorts of things. So, they're going to
cost more than your average office

961
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:46,320
building. That said, uh what we do on
shelter design, there always is a

962
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:50,800
bottoms up cost estimate. that's what's
been prepared and has been reviewed at

963
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:56,480
each step and peer reviewed. But we also
look at the um cost of shelters from the

964
01:30:53,440 --> 01:31:02,800
tops down. So to do that, we maintain a
list of shelter costs over time and we

965
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:06,560
update that to reflect current dollars.
In other words, if it was a shelter

966
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:13,360
built five years ago, it's going to cost
more in today's dollars. We find average

967
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:18,560
cost out of that process to to current
and we've compared that to the cost for

968
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:25,520
the Fairbank New Fairbanks animal
shelter and it's right on par with where

969
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:30,960
the expected cost would be in Alaska for
an animal shelter to be built. So, you

970
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:34,719
know, if there's data that you would
like to provide regarding Matsu, we

971
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:39,440
could take a look at it and then provide
a direct comparison with the cost of

972
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:43,520
this shelter. But that's why we do the
tops down thing because it really just

973
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:48,000
at the end of the day it says is this
cost reasonable for the shelter and

974
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:53,760
right now it's at the average of shelter
cost. Many building types also you'll

975
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:57,920
see that there's much more expensive
shelters built and then there's also

976
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:02,239
some on the lower end. So that's why we
do a grouping and we look at average

977
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:06,080
cost and it provides a test of
reasonable at least one test of

978
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:10,560
reasonable.
Okay. Thank you. And just one more quick

979
01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:16,159
question. Could we go to slide um Oh
boy. 26 I think it

980
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:16,159
was. Yeah.

981
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:27,800
26. So in the
middle here I see a janitor closet. I

982
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:32,800
see nothing else for
storage. Am I missing something? Did I

983
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:38,880
miss a storage room or something?
That's a pretty small closet for an

984
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:42,159
17,000 foot facility. There is storage.
I don't know if I have a mouse. No, I

985
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:47,120
don't have a mouse. There is storage.
First of all, there's storage um built

986
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:52,159
in every one of the dog kennel rooms.
You can see there's a a series of

987
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:56,480
casework along a wall that's locked um
for use of storage immediate needs to

988
01:32:54,960 --> 01:33:01,280
those kennel rooms. So, each one of
those rooms has dedicated storage.

989
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:06,000
There's a dedicated storage room towards
the medical suite. So further down that

990
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:11,360
core um with double doors on either
side, single doors, but on e opposite

991
01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:15,520
sides there's a hall storage room. Do
you see that one labeled a little more

992
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:22,239
to the left of that janitor? Okay. And
then there's storage within the food

993
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:27,360
service and laundry. Um, and then also
there's storage within, you know, I

994
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:34,679
would say built-in casework sort of
sprinkled throughout. Um, whether it

995
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:39,920
accessed from a hall or within the
rooms. It's a little hard to identify

996
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:45,520
those lines um versus what a kennel
might be, but we're currently doing the

997
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:50,960
complete fixture furnishing and
equipment package and Dana none in our

998
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:53,880
office is orchestrating that. So um with
the stakeholders and the leadership, we

999
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:59,280
have gone through every piece of
equipment and every piece of like

1000
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:07,280
furniture that would be included in here
to make sure storage is accounted for um

1001
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:12,400
within the facility. Okay. Thank you.
Um Mr. Swan, I do see your hand, but I'm

1002
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:18,400
going to let some others who have not
spoken um have a question. And then for

1003
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:25,199
the group, I just want to announce that
we'll take a 10-minute break at 7:30 and

1004
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:31,440
we'll reconvene back at 7:40. Okay. So,
um I'm going to go to Commissioner Rudy.

1005
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,960
Hi there. Uh I had a couple of
questions. One, since we talked about

1006
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:40,800
snow a little bit, looking at the
drawings, are all of the roof surfaces

1007
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:47,960
flat? And is there any concern with snow
load as a lifelong Alaskan that's had

1008
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:51,600
flat roof snow problems on many
properties? Just wondering if there's

1009
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:56,239
any um angle to any of the roofs or if
they are flat like they look like.

1010
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:59,520
Um we would consider them low slope
roofs. So they're all slope to internal

1011
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:03,600
drains. It's something else that the
burough standard requires. You'll notice

1012
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:09,280
like on all the recent school projects
and that it prevents snow and unwanted

1013
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:15,239
um sliding of snow that that could cause
a hazard much like your

1014
01:35:12,679 --> 01:35:20,560
existing kennel. Now, let me get to the
photo that has ice damning directly onto

1015
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:28,000
a walkway. That is a a hazard that the
burrow um does not allow. So, we are low

1016
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:33,679
slope internally drained. it um has uh
equipped for you know the snow loads

1017
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:37,440
code required and will not be required
to be shoveled.

1018
01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:42,440
Thank you. And just sort of a follow-up
to that one, the on the slide that

1019
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:46,880
showed the virtual image of the new
entrance, I don't know what number it

1020
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:52,320
is, I'm sorry. The
uh the Yes, thank you. the covered

1021
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:57,040
walkway at the entrance there. Um, will
there be a slope there or gutters around

1022
01:35:54,480 --> 01:36:00,880
the edge cuz you can just see the sea of
ice that that entryway would be just

1023
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:08,080
like everywhere else in town is right
now. Yes. Yep. It has a curb and it's

1024
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:11,920
drained uh to a landscape um area. Um so
hard to see in this view, but yes, it is

1025
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:17,199
a controlled drainage off of there and
it will not slope onto the concrete or

1026
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:20,679
the sidewalk. Excellent. Thank you,
Commissioner Sherman.

1027
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:30,719
Um, so I have some questions about
looking I was looking at slide 25, but

1028
01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:35,679
I'm also thinking about what the uh
shelter vet American shelter

1029
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:40,560
vet guidelines say that shelter
admission areas should be separated from

1030
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:47,119
adoptions and other client-f facing
areas. And I this is a little bit of a

1031
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:51,000
new world for me looking at blueprints,
but I have some questions about some

1032
01:36:49,119 --> 01:36:57,360
possible
um movement from an for animals uh when

1033
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:00,080
they arrive in the shelter. So maybe I
mean I know you don't it doesn't seem

1034
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:05,199
like you have a laser pointer, but maybe
somebody could walk it through like it's

1035
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:10,000
got a couple of pieces or three or four
or maybe more pieces. So, if someone's

1036
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:13,679
bringing an adult dog
um that's spayed, already spayed,

1037
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:17,520
doesn't need it, vaccines are up to
date, and it's being surrendered by the

1038
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:21,440
owner, so the owner knows they have to
give it up. Is are they coming in

1039
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:25,360
through that shelter, that public access
spot, and then walking? Can somebody

1040
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:30,199
walk me through how that is? Do you want
me to give them all to you or do you

1041
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,199
want to do them one at a time?

1042
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:43,639
We do need to have the microphone.

1043
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,040
Thank you for being patient with me.

1044
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:06,239
Okay, good question. And to answer that
question, the public entrance would be

1045
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:11,520
the primary location for people bringing
in animals like that. So if it's a

1046
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:15,360
surrender, um there are other
alternatives to come to the rear of the

1047
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:19,560
facility, but primarily they would come
in the entrance. They would be received.

1048
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:25,280
It probably would be an appointment
session. And then the animal would come

1049
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:30,239
down to this point and it's really
headed towards the dog intake room that

1050
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:36,560
you'll see is on the secure side. So
they'd be escorted back or greeted by a

1051
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:41,600
staff member here to surrender the dog.
That staff member would have the option

1052
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:44,800
to bring the person into the intake
room.

1053
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:48,080
And it does look like they're going to
have to go with this dog that's

1054
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:51,199
potentially I mean it's going to be
euthanized so it's not such a big deal I

1055
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:57,440
suppose. I don't mean to say that
lightly but it's going to be walking by

1056
01:38:53,840 --> 01:39:01,360
the isolation kennels. So it looks like
even healthy dogs that are going into

1057
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:05,840
quarantine are going to everybody's
walking right by there. Well yeah in the

1058
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:09,639
main hallway they would come here and be
escorted back or just brought back to

1059
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:15,520
the intake
area. Yeah. This hallway is intended to

1060
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:21,760
serve all the rooms on this pathway,
whether they be a flex adoption or

1061
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:26,159
isolation, quarantine, etc.
So, if someone, and I I I hope it

1062
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:29,520
doesn't seem like I'm torturing you, but
I've been doing a deep dive on all the

1063
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:36,159
things people have given me to think
about. So, an adult dog that is a stray,

1064
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:41,600
unknown history, someone is bringing it
in, found him running on the road. He

1065
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:47,040
they don't know much about him. It's not
drop off cages because it's open hours.

1066
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:51,760
Same thing. Um well, so now you're
getting into the operation of the

1067
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:58,080
facility. So a person, a citizen is
bringing this dog in. So there's a lot

1068
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:02,480
of variability in how shelter staff will
operate this new facility. Well, one

1069
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:07,760
thing to be clear is it's going to be a
different arrangement of course than the

1070
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:12,080
existing facility. So shelter staff
could decide to bring that dog through

1071
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:15,920
the front or I would say Sandy might
have some comment in that. More likely

1072
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:20,480
you might make arrangements to admit
them through the secure gate at the rear

1073
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:25,920
of the facility and have staff meet them
back here and bring that dog directly

1074
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:31,840
into quarantine. So there's part of the
beauty, if you will, of having this flow

1075
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:37,360
set up is that you can have options as
to where animals come in. And I think it

1076
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:42,800
would be a case by case uh as far as
what the particulars of that animal are

1077
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:46,400
and the person bringing it in. A as a
person who

1078
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:53,199
occasionally the universe throws strays
in our way. I say I I truly appreciate

1079
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:57,600
the intake room that they have and Brit
Leanne who does amazing work in the

1080
01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:03,119
back. I don't have to go to the front.
People don't need to see me, you know,

1081
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:07,040
all of that. That's just I thanks for
explaining that. And then I'll just give

1082
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:14,159
you one more. So someone has an older
large dog um with its owners coming in

1083
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:17,360
and they would they need they feel like
it needs to be euthanized. It's been

1084
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:22,080
approved. They have an appointment and
then they also want to take the body

1085
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:26,400
with them. Do can you give me a possible
scenario for what?

1086
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:31,840
That's a good one. I'd have to sort of
defer to staff how they would handle

1087
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:37,280
that. But for something like that, you
would want to have, you know, those

1088
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:42,960
folks come back to the staff secure
entrance to the facility. So what this

1089
01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:48,239
means is that there will have to be a
protocol when some public member is

1090
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:52,960
coming with a need like that where
they're actually admitted from the rear

1091
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:57,600
of the facility. There's another
optional place, maybe a third, where

1092
01:41:55,440 --> 01:42:02,320
they could come in. This night drop
pathway is available to the public and

1093
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:07,199
they could be met back here a little
more discreetly and a little more easily

1094
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:11,119
without going through the secure parking
area.

1095
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:17,199
So, you know, it's kind of like
buildings where you have optional

1096
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:22,639
pathways we find are much more usable
and comfortable for operational needs

1097
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:26,480
than if there's just one way. Here, I've
just identified there's actually three

1098
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:31,199
different ways that could be resolved.
So staff and shelter management can

1099
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:36,639
decide how to handle the situation and
have these right now the shelter is you

1100
01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:40,960
know poorly provides for that because
there's like one entry point which where

1101
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:46,080
everything's happening. It's this and no
I I'm not in denial that we don't need a

1102
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:50,000
new shelter. We do.
What else can I help you with? I'm gonna

1103
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:54,280
take a breath and let someone else have
a chance. Thank you so much sir. Thank

1104
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:59,600
you
member. Thank you. Um, I just want to

1105
01:42:57,119 --> 01:43:04,400
bring the discussion back down to I
think we're at the 10,000 ft level. Um,

1106
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:10,880
and just ask some obvious questions that
have been asked of me. Um, and a person

1107
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:16,719
that doesn't work in animal control. Can
It seems to me like a big cost of this

1108
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:20,400
is making a surgery center, a hospital
basically for animals. Could someone and

1109
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:25,040
I'm not sure who would be the
appropriate person to answer this but

1110
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:29,280
what would happen if we did not have a
surgery center would the number of

1111
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:33,199
euthanasia
um increase drastically without

1112
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:43,440
one? The short answer is every animal
that is adopted out through uh the

1113
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:47,760
shelter must be spayed or neutered. So,
if we don't have a surgery center in

1114
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:50,960
house, that means that every animal has
to wait for an appointment at a

1115
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:57,040
veterinary clinic in order to be spayed
or neutered, which increases length of

1116
01:43:53,119 --> 01:44:01,440
stay. Um, the last I checked, we were a
couple of weeks out on spayneuters in

1117
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:06,080
general in clinics in the area. So,
instead of an animal staying for 6 days,

1118
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:10,639
it might be staying for 15 days just to
get spayed in order to be

1119
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:14,960
adoptable. That means that the kennels
are all full. That means that there's no

1120
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:21,280
place to put strays. That means the
animals are being euthanized. Thank

1121
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:26,639
you. And I just had one other question.
Do we have um by virtue of our really

1122
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:31,119
unique community with um a lot of
military, a lot of students, um people

1123
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:37,119
moving in and out of our community quite
often. Do we have a greater need for um

1124
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:44,119
adoptions and animal shelters with
people relinquishing their pets than

1125
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:44,119
other communities? Are we unique?

1126
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:54,800
I don't really know. Um, do you have
insight there? Yeah, I I don't have data

1127
01:44:52,480 --> 01:45:00,639
to support it, but I don't think so. And
anyway, a lot of communities have issues

1128
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:05,280
around university towns and so forth
where you have a sort of a transient

1129
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:09,679
population going on. So, no, I don't
think you're anything too out of the

1130
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:14,679
ordinary here in Fairbanks. Thank you.
By the way, I like Fairbanks. You guys

1131
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:14,679
are great.

1132
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:23,040
Good stuff. Okay, Miss Haney.
Hi. Thank you very much. And I I

1133
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:26,960
appreciate I know maybe you think I've
been some people may think I've been

1134
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:33,119
excessively critical of this, but I do
appreciate the work. Um, and I know that

1135
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:38,320
you guys designed phenomenal stuff. So,
I don't want this in any way

1136
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:43,600
to make you feel like your work is
inferior. Contrary, your work is

1137
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:50,639
extremely good. Um, I'm concerned about
though the cost of utilities on this

1138
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:57,040
facility. I'm not going to lie. I I look
at it and I and I think about

1139
01:45:53,639 --> 01:46:03,440
um the North Pole Library and I think
about this and I have to ask I have to

1140
01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:09,119
really think about what would be the
utilities that we're going to face on

1141
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:15,320
this on an ongoing basis and if they
fill out of this guide for free for us

1142
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:19,280
um we have to pay staff, we have to pay
utilities. So those are the things that

1143
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:25,080
are really concerning me right now.
Maybe If you could shed some light on

1144
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,080
that. Thanks.

1145
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:33,239
Shift the hot seat.

1146
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:38,880
Uh hello. My name is Marco Steovich. I'm
the project engineer for the Fairbanks

1147
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:44,480
Northstar Burrow in the public works
department. Um I would say for the new

1148
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:49,840
facility, it's kind of hard to put a
direct number to the utility costs that

1149
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:54,560
we would uh be paying. I would have to
say though um over the last two years

1150
01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:58,560
that we've been uh designing this new
project, it's been a reoccurring

1151
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:03,920
statement that the existing animal
shelter facility um is the highest cost

1152
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:09,040
uh per utility per square foot that the
bureau owns. So I would I would have to

1153
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:15,360
think that for a new facility with new
modern standards u the utility cost per

1154
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:21,440
square would dramatically go down. But
uh that's all I

1155
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:29,360
follow up. Indigo is like sort of noted
for their um designs being resilient and

1156
01:47:26,119 --> 01:47:37,239
um alternate energy friendly and all
that good stuff. Is any of that stuff in

1157
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:37,239
included in this design?

1158
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:46,080
Uh yes. Sorry, I feel weird because I I
the commission kind of blocks whatever

1159
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:52,480
was answered. I think within the context
of Fairbanks and your extreme

1160
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:58,719
temperatures here there Fairbanks has in
the in the heating world you look at

1161
01:47:56,080 --> 01:48:05,119
something called heating degree days and
Fairbanks has about 14,000 heating

1162
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:11,119
degree days and you know the the coldest
spots in the lower 48 might be you know

1163
01:48:08,199 --> 01:48:15,040
10,000 for example. So, it's quite an
extreme environment. You're going to pay

1164
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:20,960
something to heat buildings in this
climate. What this building includes is

1165
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:26,400
a superinssulated envelope. So, the
walls are thermally insulated. The roof

1166
01:48:23,679 --> 01:48:31,760
is thermally insulated. Tracy can
address any of those items. Um, one

1167
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:37,679
thing to consider would be potential
future photovoltaics. It's easier said

1168
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:41,440
than done in this climate zone. uh where
would you put them and how can you get

1169
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:46,320
them on the site? Um but those things
can be added in the future. And then the

1170
01:48:43,840 --> 01:48:52,080
last thing I'll say is because one of
the the we've kept the floor plan very

1171
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:57,360
compact. You'll notice it's a rectangle.
I call that the shoe box design. It's a

1172
01:48:54,960 --> 01:49:02,560
not an architectural technical term. It
just looks like a shoe box. But what

1173
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:08,880
that does is it keeps the overall
surface area of the envelope to the

1174
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:13,520
volume contained very favorable so that
you don't have a lot of exposure for

1175
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:17,360
thermal conductance to the outside. It's
pretty simple really. And then the only

1176
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:21,600
other thing you look at is how much
glazing is on the building. And I think

1177
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:25,920
this building is well within parameter
because any hole you put in a building

1178
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:30,320
is kind of a leak um if you will. Of
course, if you didn't have any windows

1179
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:36,080
in your building, you might not be happy
about

1180
01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:42,320
that. No, so I think it hits a a sweet
spot. I'll use that term, I guess, for

1181
01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:47,280
the third time tonight on energy and um
utility costs overall. The last thing is

1182
01:49:44,719 --> 01:49:55,119
just fuel source. So, Fairbanks, as I
understand, is dominated by um fuel oil

1183
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:58,880
still and natural gas. There is a trend
in parts of the rest of the country

1184
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:05,040
particularly where there's not those
14,000 heating degree days to convert to

1185
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:09,440
electric heating source and you know
total electric buildings but you know

1186
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:13,760
what that's I think that's a good idea
for many areas of the country but it's a

1187
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:19,360
tough one here because of the heating
demand and also probably infrastructural

1188
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:23,119
issues. So, sorry that's such a long
answer, but I just want you to know that

1189
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:27,679
we've thought about that in the design
team side and we've done the logical

1190
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:31,520
things here without increasing the cost
unduly for the building. Well, thank

1191
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:35,600
you. I just know that that's what your
firm is going for. Thank you for and so

1192
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:40,000
I was kind of looking for a little bit
of that. Just kind of curious any of

1193
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:44,119
that was in there. So, and on the
resiliency side, the last point would be

1194
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:51,679
it this building will be served by an
emergency generator. So that will be an

1195
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:56,000
important part of it in the um burough's
portfolio of buildings that you have

1196
01:50:53,520 --> 01:51:00,400
that power. So when you do lose power,
and I'm sure that will happen many times

1197
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:05,679
in the life of this building, you will
have emergency power to run it and

1198
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:10,000
possibly other burrow functions in
buildings that aren't protected that way

1199
01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:15,280
could come to this site and camp out in
that um public meeting room. Maybe it's

1200
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:21,239
not public meetings. It might be a
department from a leased building or

1201
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:21,239
whatever that needs a home temporarily.

1202
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:28,560
Thank you so much. We're going to move
on to Commissioner Swan. Then on my list

1203
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:34,440
I have Assembly Member Wilson, Assembly
Member Crass, and Commissioner Rudy.

1204
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,440
Commissioner Swan,

1205
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:44,159
thank you.
Um the first question that I have

1206
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:51,199
involves the isolation room and the
isolation kennels. Um looking at a the

1207
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:58,960
previous um floor plan that was
presented to us, it looked like the room

1208
01:51:54,920 --> 01:52:07,040
had a lot well a bunch of kennels that
all opened up to a common space. And I

1209
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:14,599
am uh curious as to what design features
minimize the risk of spreading comorbid

1210
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:20,159
diseases within an already ill
population. For example, we could have a

1211
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:26,560
litter of puppies with parvo virus in
one kennel and in another kennel very

1212
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:32,000
close to it have a dog with bordatella
or a dog with distemper or other

1213
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:38,760
diseases. So, so what design features
prevent that that crosscontamination of

1214
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:38,760
diseases?

1215
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:51,040
So sir, are you talking about
crosscontamination within the isolation

1216
01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:57,440
ward that has five kennels in it or you
talking about between boards? Oh, okay.

1217
01:52:54,719 --> 01:53:03,520
Yes, within that that isolation room,
which I presume is where where it's

1218
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:09,280
intended to to house dogs that need to
be isolated due to disease. Right. So,

1219
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:14,880
what the building can do is provide
separate environmental control for that

1220
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:20,960
space and it does. As far as separation
for different illness, that becomes an

1221
01:53:17,639 --> 01:53:25,760
operational um part of the program. And
if you can't put the animals together,

1222
01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:30,880
you don't. And so it's kind of as simple
as that. And it depends on case by case.

1223
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:37,080
And again, it gets into the operation of
the shelter, which I have limited

1224
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:37,080
capacity to address

1225
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:47,040
or to put it. Okay. It's it's normal
practice to have an isolation ward and

1226
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:51,119
this this facility will have one. It
just comes down to how it's operated.

1227
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:58,639
There may be extreme conditions I don't
know where you need to export an animal

1228
01:53:53,760 --> 01:54:03,040
who's can't be housed in that space.
Okay. Just so so that we know that

1229
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:10,480
comorbidities is is something that we
need to be aware of and be careful of.

1230
01:54:06,440 --> 01:54:17,760
Um I have a question regarding outside
areas. Um the outside areas, for

1231
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:22,719
example, the barn for larger livestock
or the slide dog areas, are those also

1232
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:29,760
part of your design responsibilities or
are they uh are they going to be

1233
01:54:25,800 --> 01:54:37,000
designed by someone else or or something
else done to put those together? They

1234
01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:37,000
are included in this design.

1235
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:40,639
Okay.

1236
01:54:43,159 --> 01:54:53,679
Um, so what what uh I'm interested
primarily in the sled dog area, but I

1237
01:54:49,679 --> 01:55:00,239
probably pertains to the barn. Um, now
we're dealing with animals that are

1238
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:05,360
acclimated to our harsh environment.
What considerations in housing for these

1239
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:11,679
individual animals have gone into the
design such as insulated dog houses or

1240
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:14,320
insulation for the barn or you know
things of that

1241
01:55:22,199 --> 01:55:29,119
nature. I think they want me to chime in
on this. Um, we would use insulated

1242
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:34,480
doghouses like we do now for our sled
dogs. Um, the setup would be very

1243
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:40,159
similar to what we have now. They'd be
on tethers and with insulated doghouses

1244
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:45,840
with straw.
Okay. And and what about the barn?

1245
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:53,920
It's similar also similar to what you
have existing where it's um more open

1246
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:57,880
and uned. Oh, sorry. Um, I'm gonna
interject. The barn is much better than

1247
01:55:56,480 --> 01:56:04,560
what we have
now. Much much better. Um, what we have

1248
01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:09,920
now isn't it isn't even like a solid
walls. It's three-sided with gaps in it.

1249
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:14,639
Um, and the barn that's in this design
offers offers a lot more protection and

1250
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:18,159
very safe fencing for various species.
So, it would keep in goats and horses

1251
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:24,880
and it wouldn't have the chain link
where their hooves would get caught. It

1252
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:29,760
would be a safer fencing.
Thank you, Assembly Member Wilson.

1253
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:34,159
Thank you. Just so you know, Miss
Gardner had her hand up as well, but

1254
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:37,280
Okay. I know there's a lot of people a
lot of It's kind of hard to catch

1255
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:41,080
everybody. So, I just kind of want to go
back

1256
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:45,920
on how it came up to be
17,737 square feet, which is almost

1257
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:50,480
three times as big as right now with
population going down. And it sounds

1258
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:55,360
like most of the animals need some more
room, but I'm just trying to figure out

1259
01:56:52,719 --> 01:56:58,800
what was used to come up with it to be
this much larger than the current

1260
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:10,239
one. Um, a few of the um, uh, components
are new. They're added. That was that

1261
01:57:06,199 --> 01:57:14,960
accoes and their needs um, from that
existing air quality building. So,

1262
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:21,920
that's being added into this. Um they
have lockers, um gear, shower

1263
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:27,920
opportunities for when they encounter an
animal that um they need to um clean up

1264
01:57:25,599 --> 01:57:35,360
after, I guess. Um we also have the
night drop um room. So there's new um

1265
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:44,000
dedicated euthanasia room, dedicated cat
intake room, dedicated dog intake rooms.

1266
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:51,040
Um and then yeah and the acco suite. Um
so there are new program elements added

1267
01:57:48,159 --> 01:57:57,599
to this. Then there's the addition of
the capacity of the kennels themsel and

1268
01:57:55,040 --> 01:58:02,960
the size of the kennels. Um there's
dedicated separate exotic room, small

1269
01:58:00,159 --> 01:58:07,400
animal rooms, cat isolation rooms like
Dr. Pinto explained. I believe as of

1270
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:14,239
today when we were there they had cat
isolation inside the

1271
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:20,000
surgery room um that is used a curtain
is used to separate them. So we have a

1272
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:27,320
dedicated room for that with dedicated
um ventilation. So there's additional

1273
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:31,360
program um elements that are not
currently allocated in your current

1274
01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:35,920
shelter. And this might be an
administrative question. So with that

1275
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:41,119
increased amount of space and I don't
know how whether it gets cleaned just

1276
01:58:38,480 --> 01:58:45,440
now by those who work for animal control
but are we anticipating you know more

1277
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:51,840
janitorial
um other you know operating costs that

1278
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:55,360
go in with a larger facility and I know
the legislature used to be really bad

1279
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:59,719
when they always built new was never
taking into consideration the additional

1280
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:05,440
cost. So, was any of
that done? And if not, could it be done?

1281
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:08,000
Um, I'll uh make sure pass that to
Kimberly Ember, but I have to imagine

1282
01:59:06,719 --> 01:59:12,960
cleaning is going to be a lot easier.
But can you talk on um the staffing

1283
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:16,000
needs and things like that? Yeah. So, um
a lot of our workshop when we were

1284
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:20,560
working with Indigo and the
veterinarians that were associated with

1285
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:24,800
us earlier is that um the cleaning
protocol would be a lot different. So

1286
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:30,400
right now we break everything down and
we spray it all down and sanitize and

1287
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:34,159
set it back up. So it would be spot
cleaning on the daily for animals and

1288
01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:39,440
then when they rotate out, that's when
you would do the full sanitation. So it

1289
01:59:36,400 --> 01:59:43,599
cuts down on the type of cleaning um
that you're doing. And it it's a lot

1290
01:59:41,840 --> 01:59:49,040
less stressful for animals to keep items
that um are scented like that they're

1291
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:52,800
used to. So, um, while we like to wash
everything, um, it would be more saving

1292
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:59,679
the clean blankets that are kind of
clean, um, not soiled and, uh, reusing

1293
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:04,480
dishes, um, and not washing them all the
time every day. So, it would cut down a

1294
02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:09,679
lot in that way. And then we would be
able to clean the floors in the space

1295
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:15,040
with that time, I would think. So
basically with the current staff you

1296
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:21,760
have now you're not anticipating have to
hire others for that type of activity.

1297
02:00:19,400 --> 02:00:29,599
Correct. But it would give us room to
grow for more services and more staff if

1298
02:00:24,320 --> 02:00:29,599
there was a need. Thank you. Miss

1299
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:37,400
Gardner, if you could turn your
microphone on. Better turn that on. I

1300
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:42,760
have a couple of questions
um about the upper side on the plans

1301
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:50,080
here and
the and the cat area. Uh I'm a little

1302
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:55,679
confused about how uh with the cat areas
being in so close proximity, the intake

1303
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:58,320
and the isolation being like right next
to the

1304
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:07,119
um the holding facilities in the cat
viewing room. So maybe you could uh ex

1305
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:13,440
you know go over up there on the plan
again uh the path works there. I'm also

1306
02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:21,520
looking at this volunteer area which
would um most certainly a hallway that

1307
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:25,920
runs from one side to the other in the
public side of the building. It seems

1308
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:31,960
like I don't know how many volunteers
you're anticipating. We've heard quite a

1309
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:37,199
few more than you have now. So I don't
know how convenient it would be to cut

1310
02:01:34,480 --> 02:01:42,239
through that area. And another thing I
have a question about is the

1311
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:46,040
ventilation. So the animal ventilation
is usually separated from the human

1312
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:52,080
space
ventilation. And it seems like for that

1313
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:59,719
it would be efficient to group all of
the human use them together. and they

1314
02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:07,119
seem to be kind of spread out along the
southwest side. So that okay, thank you

1315
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:13,520
for that question. I think this shows
the area in question. So the public is

1316
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:19,280
coming this way and uh the first of the
cat rooms is cat adoption and hold right

1317
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:23,760
here. This is same same thing but has
more of a flex function in case you have

1318
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:30,639
more kitties that need some special
treatment. cat's isolation here which is

1319
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:38,000
in a a closed door room like the rest
and then we get to the staff area. So

1320
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:43,119
the cat ISO area typically we like to
put that near the medical treatment

1321
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:47,280
area. In this case it was felt that this
is pretty darn close to medical

1322
02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:53,119
treatment and there would be more
effective to have all the cats rooms in

1323
02:02:50,159 --> 02:02:57,920
one region of the shelter. So that's why
these are located here. And again,

1324
02:02:55,360 --> 02:03:04,320
they're separated from the dogs and
they're um introduce the beginning of

1325
02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:12,080
the human spaces right there. Does that
answer your question? Kind of in in the

1326
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:18,000
in the dogs, the dog intake room is not
in the public area for the cats. The cat

1327
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:22,080
intake room is in the public area. So,
is it intended that if someone is

1328
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:27,199
surrendering a cat, they would bring it
back to the intake room?

1329
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:34,520
Correct. This would be the area where
cats are evaluated on intake. So, they

1330
02:03:30,800 --> 02:03:39,480
cross a path between cats coming from
holding room to the visitation.

1331
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:47,400
um they would come back this way to that
room and they would be escorted by a

1332
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:53,040
staff member.
Typically, as far as the dogs go, this

1333
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:58,639
is a much more, you know, dog central
facility and you have a lot of dogs that

1334
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:04,320
you really want to be coming in from the
staff secure side, we think, and it's

1335
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:08,480
appropriate to have it here um adjacent
in particular the quarantine where

1336
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:13,719
you're bringing in dogs that may have an
unknown provenence or illnesses that

1337
02:04:11,119 --> 02:04:19,560
need to be checked
out. You know, it seems more approp to

1338
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:23,920
have this space on the secure side as
opposed directly accessible to the

1339
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:29,840
public. What you want to do is have
these adoption open adoption rooms

1340
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:33,719
available to the public uh along this
public part of the corridor.

1341
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:41,119
That that brings to another question.
Sorry.

1342
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:48,239
I volunteer for a cat rescue here in
Fairbanks and we we handle almost as

1343
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:52,679
many cats as the animal shelter does. We
divert those cats from coming to the

1344
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:59,119
animal shelter
mostly. Nonprofits don't last forever.

1345
02:04:56,000 --> 02:05:05,119
So, what's your flexibility there
increasing the capacity cats?

1346
02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:09,119
Uh, that's a good question. Um, you
know, as we've talked about, there's

1347
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:14,639
only so much territory in this floor
plan within cost constraints for the

1348
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:20,159
project. So, we've chosen to make
certain that the dogs that you we know

1349
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:26,159
are coming are going to be accommodated
in the facility and that the cats, this

1350
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:32,080
goes back to, you know, basically 2022
was a peak year for calculation and so

1351
02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:36,719
those cats can be accommodated. Here we
have um let's see one, two, three. We

1352
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:43,760
have eight in this room, eight in this
room, um four or sorry, two in this

1353
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:49,840
room. That's the current capacity. As
far as future expansion goes, um you

1354
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:55,360
know, the the shelter could expand.
We've talked about the additive

1355
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:59,840
alternates for more kennels. We've
talked about additive alternates for a

1356
02:05:57,679 --> 02:06:04,719
sallyport. By the way, I forget who said
that the sallyport is a really needed

1357
02:06:02,239 --> 02:06:10,719
element, but right on there because
that's an important um part to be able

1358
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:16,880
to bring vehicles in, discharge animals,
not having them running out over old

1359
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:22,080
rich highway for example. So that I
think if those can be afforded um but

1360
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:27,360
you can see that a critical space like
that is an additive alternate at this

1361
02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:32,000
point. So it tells you something about
you know that we're probably pushing the

1362
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:38,480
budgetary limits of the project the
building. The other attribute of the

1363
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:44,000
shoe box though is that you can expand
it in a linear manner which is one of

1364
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:49,520
the great benefits. So you could expand
out the uh secure staff side of the

1365
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:53,520
building and we haven't really drawn it
anywhere but you could expand it out to

1366
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:58,719
a limited extent on this end of the
building. So some of those plans could

1367
02:06:55,599 --> 02:07:05,400
include future provision for more cat
housing.

1368
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:12,480
So I had the last question was about
ventilation for the given spaces versus

1369
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:18,560
the spaces on that side of the building.
Right. So um there's a completely

1370
02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:25,280
separate ventilation system for dogs and
a completely separate system for cats.

1371
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:30,800
And as far as cat to human, I would have
to check the plans, but these airbased

1372
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:36,000
systems there, I think Tracy mentioned
earlier there's 17 hydronic zones in the

1373
02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:43,760
building, which means those are elements
of control for those parts of the

1374
02:07:38,560 --> 02:07:49,920
system. And your airbase system has 10
what are called VAV boxes. So, it's very

1375
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:56,639
likely, and in fact, I can be certain of
it, that there's a separate VAV box for

1376
02:07:52,719 --> 02:08:01,840
staff and a separate VAV for the cat
kennel area. Well, that I guess my

1377
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:08,639
question was, wouldn't it be more
efficient to have all the human occupied

1378
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:14,119
areas adjacent to each other instead of
broken up by the cat and the medical?

1379
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:22,239
Um I guess I'm not sure what your
question is. The the staff area is

1380
02:08:20,719 --> 02:08:30,639
located right here. You have the
supervisor office, the break room and

1381
02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:35,840
other human functions like acco
um and staff break area. Well, we

1382
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:42,000
mentioned that. What what other human
parts were you thinking? So So starting

1383
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:47,599
from the lobby, the first one is the
manager. The manager. Uhuh. Then there's

1384
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:52,520
three cat rooms, right?
And then there's the another manager's

1385
02:08:50,159 --> 02:08:57,920
office and then the break
room. And then there's a surgical area

1386
02:08:55,040 --> 02:09:04,480
which had separate ventilation. And then
there's the officer's area which would

1387
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:09,840
be more human type. Right.
Well, these were design decisions made

1388
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:14,159
in consult with shelter staff and I
believe the intent was to have the

1389
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:17,679
manager close to the lobby so that they
could oversee and be available for the

1390
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:21,840
public that might want to say, "Hey, I
want to see the manager." And that was

1391
02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:26,159
the reason that's located there. And
then to your point, there was sort of a

1392
02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:30,599
prioritization of the next things in
line that we felt would benefit the

1393
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:36,360
public customer. And
so, you know, that's how this plan

1394
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,360
evolved.

1395
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:41,880
So, that's the best I can answer your
question, I'm afraid.

1396
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:49,440
Okay. At this time, we're going to take
a 10-minut break. We'll come back at

1397
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:56,679
7:40. And on my list, we'll start with
uh Commissioner Oln, then we'll go to

1398
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:56,679
Crass, Rudy, Haney, and Sherman.

1399
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:17,040
We're ready in the chambers.
The joint work session is called back to

1400
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:24,319
order. And on my list, we have uh
starting with Assembly Member Crass.

1401
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:28,000
Uh thank you, Madam Chair. Um I uh I was
I wanted to talk a little bit more about

1402
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:32,399
the operational and maintenance costs.
Um and I know you're at 65% design, but

1403
02:21:30,479 --> 02:21:39,280
then I've heard talk of you've already
got the number of zone valves uh lined

1404
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:44,319
out. Um I know there's natural gas near
the facility. Um so as we start to nail

1405
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:50,560
down some of those assumptions, do we
have a good idea of what say the fuel

1406
02:21:46,319 --> 02:21:54,479
usage would be annually? And
um that's a good question. I would have

1407
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:58,000
to check with the engineers and get back
to you, but we can get that answer to

1408
02:21:55,760 --> 02:22:05,080
you. Um, that would be great. And as
close as we could get with the

1409
02:22:00,359 --> 02:22:09,280
um with the uh the electric cost as
well, and I I understand that there's,

1410
02:22:07,760 --> 02:22:12,399
you know, at this point in the design
process, some of that's going to be up

1411
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:15,720
in the air, but that those would be good
numbers to have on hand, kind of compare

1412
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:20,479
with our current
facilities. Um, and

1413
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:26,720
then that is correct, isn't it? that
there's a natural gas uh pipeline near

1414
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:30,960
this facility.
Uh yes, there's an existing natural gas

1415
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:36,560
line down Leisure Street immediately
adjacent to the property.

1416
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:43,439
Fantastic. Uh and then the one other
question I had was on the uh there was

1417
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:48,319
some talk about the uh demographics and
kind of plotting out the population and

1418
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:53,920
and needs of the community over time.
And I was just wondering what if

1419
02:22:51,479 --> 02:23:00,240
there could you quantify the assumptions
in those demographic shifts.

1420
02:22:58,080 --> 02:23:05,359
I would like to defer to Bruce who has
stepped away, but there was a capacity

1421
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:10,800
study done with a five-year average and
that was done at the time that we

1422
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:16,319
started on this project um at the and it
culminated with 2022 and since then

1423
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:22,880
we've been working with Kimberly um to
get uh numbers through 2023 and 2024 and

1424
02:23:20,319 --> 02:23:27,040
it appears per the graphs and the data
that they've shared that 2022 was the

1425
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:34,439
pinnacle and we're And it's actually
think numbers are going down. Um so

1426
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:38,439
welcome back Bruce. Um question about
capacity demographics.

1427
02:23:39,359 --> 02:23:46,240
Thanks for coming back. Yeah my question
was in regards to some of the uh

1428
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:52,720
underlying assumptions that were built
into that capacity modeling.

1429
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:58,479
Sure. I heard Tracy addressing that. I
think she hit it on the head. We looked

1430
02:23:55,120 --> 02:24:04,880
at those past five years. 2022 was a
peak intake period both for dogs and

1431
02:24:01,319 --> 02:24:12,240
cats. And so the modeling was performed
on that. And um we in making a

1432
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:16,560
projection of housing capacity that's
necessary to make an assumption on

1433
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:21,840
length of stay. The shelter right now is
operating at six. We plan the facility

1434
02:24:19,359 --> 02:24:27,680
for 10. So an average length of stay of
10. And the idea is that with the

1435
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:33,680
numbers anyway, that provides some
additional capacity so that you can

1436
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:38,000
operate the facility at the desired 80%
occupancy rate. And the reason that's

1437
02:24:36,399 --> 02:24:43,359
important is you always you don't want
to operate a shelter with every kennel

1438
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:49,280
with an animal in it. You'd like to have
20% left so that you can clean, you can

1439
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:54,640
fix things, and so forth. So, at least
on paper, this gives the shelter the

1440
02:24:52,080 --> 02:24:59,840
capacity going into the future based on
a peak um intake that we haven't seen in

1441
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:04,800
recent years. So, recent numbers appear
to be lower.

1442
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:08,319
And I guess on that note of capacity,
one follow-up question if I may.

1443
02:25:08,439 --> 02:25:18,319
Um would would the shelter in with these
sort of flexible kennels, say we had

1444
02:25:14,359 --> 02:25:25,040
impounded like a a large dog dogard, you
know, say 25 dogs. Um would it be

1445
02:25:22,200 --> 02:25:30,399
possible for the existing shelter staff
to manage that or

1446
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:34,640
uh that I'd say sort of an operational
question, but in theory you can bring

1447
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:39,680
those animals into the shelter if you
have room. And by the way, capacity

1448
02:25:37,120 --> 02:25:43,200
varies day to day by day, week to week.
So if you had the capacity there, you

1449
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:46,960
could bring them in. As far as caring
for those animals, maybe Kim can address

1450
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:52,640
that.
Yeah. So we have had a situation like

1451
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:58,479
that several years ago. Um when we have
a huge intake of animals, um that's kind

1452
02:25:56,000 --> 02:26:03,520
of like a disaster emergency response.
So we would move as many animals out of

1453
02:26:00,479 --> 02:26:07,600
our facility as we could as usually in
those situations the animals coming in

1454
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:11,680
can't leave to foster care or something
like that. Um if their intake is such

1455
02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:16,000
that we are allowed to send them to
foster or have other outcomes um we do

1456
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:22,800
that and we try to move them along our
process and get the surreners needed or

1457
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:26,560
whatever may be needed so that we can
move those animals out of our system as

1458
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:31,120
quickly as possible. It's kind of like
an emergency shelter situation when you

1459
02:26:29,439 --> 02:26:36,960
get a large quantity of animals like
that. On that note, if I can follow up

1460
02:26:33,359 --> 02:26:43,520
on that, if you look at slide uh 29,
um it talks about the dual capacity

1461
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:48,399
aspects of these kennels. Um, and while
there are currently 39 new kennels in

1462
02:26:46,479 --> 02:26:52,160
the footprint, because they're all dual
capacity with the gate in the middle, as

1463
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:57,520
you can see on the taped off floor
patterns there, um, in an emergency

1464
02:26:55,200 --> 02:27:02,479
situation, an emergency such as both of
you were talking about, um, you could

1465
02:26:59,439 --> 02:27:06,800
have a capacity of up to 78 dogs in an
emergency situation. We are not staffed,

1466
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:11,439
um, currently with the FTEEs in place to
be able to routinely do that. Um, but in

1467
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:17,200
an emergency situation or with a small
overflow or something, we can hold more

1468
02:27:12,960 --> 02:27:23,040
than the 39 and in fact up to 78.
Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner

1469
02:27:20,280 --> 02:27:28,399
Olness. Yeah, maybe this is a question
for the designer or animal shelter

1470
02:27:25,120 --> 02:27:34,960
staff, but um in my experience, the way
that I've personally utilized the

1471
02:27:30,399 --> 02:27:39,680
shelter, um we routinely bring dogs in
that are just coming in for microchips,

1472
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:43,920
rabies, and then going back out. They're
not necessarily like intakes. Um

1473
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:47,920
especially in a situation where we bring
in like six or seven sled dogs at a

1474
02:27:45,840 --> 02:27:53,040
time. Um as I know like we have and
other friends of mine have done in the

1475
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:57,840
past. um what would the flow look like
um for that? Like looking at slide 25,

1476
02:27:55,280 --> 02:28:03,760
how would animals be pushed through
without kind of intruding on the staff

1477
02:28:00,720 --> 02:28:10,080
space and uh not necessarily like
staying there?

1478
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:15,200
Um I I can start that. I I think um it
would partly be an operational issue.

1479
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:19,840
there are options available and again it
would be bringing in those people

1480
02:28:17,359 --> 02:28:25,280
through the main public access point
that probably would be the primary way I

1481
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:30,800
would say if you had a concerted effort
or groups of people coming in it might

1482
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:36,960
indicate um and it might well develop
where that night drop ent developed as a

1483
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:41,359
you know direction to uh people coming
to the shelter to go to that drop off

1484
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:45,359
area on the site plan you may have
noticed there does a drop off area all

1485
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:50,240
along the front of the building. Could
have a designated area for that and

1486
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:56,399
bring animals into the rear of the
building. So, I don't know if Kim you

1487
02:28:52,800 --> 02:29:03,280
had any want to add to that or these are
issues. I mean, we're trying to provide

1488
02:28:59,640 --> 02:29:07,280
flexible use um entrance points
basically and it would I'm not sure Kim

1489
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:12,880
even knows how they would actually do
it, but she may have some comment on

1490
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:16,319
um I would just want to add like that
for sled dogs, especially large groups

1491
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:20,240
that sometimes we accommodate them
outdoors and I would think that would be

1492
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:25,920
something we would continue to consider
unless there was a better option.

1493
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:31,040
Yeah. And in that case, those definitely
would come through the secure staffed

1494
02:29:28,800 --> 02:29:35,760
rear area and arrangement would have to
be to bring those animals in because

1495
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:40,160
that would be too much to envision even
possibly bringing them through the front

1496
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:45,680
lobby.
Commissioner Rudy, thank you. Um I kind

1497
02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:50,240
of had a question similar to um
Commissioner Oln actually. If it's not a

1498
02:29:47,920 --> 02:29:53,040
large group, uh say somebody's coming in
with one animal just for rabies or

1499
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:57,600
microchips, something that's not
surgical and they're not getting um they

1500
02:29:55,840 --> 02:30:01,840
don't have to go through intake either.
Kind of a two-part question. Is is the

1501
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:07,439
surgical suite where stuff like that
will take place? Just regular veterinary

1502
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:11,920
stuff that's not surgical? And if so, it
does have the public bring in or staff,

1503
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:18,720
but anyway, going all the way down to
the end of that half public, half staff

1504
02:30:14,640 --> 02:30:18,720
only area just for routine things like

1505
02:30:20,200 --> 02:30:29,920
that. Um, the medical area would be for
veterinary procedures specifically. So,

1506
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:33,520
um, for walk-in like babies, vaccines,
we would take them to the dog intake

1507
02:30:31,680 --> 02:30:40,120
room because that's what that room set
up for. um for safe handling and for

1508
02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:40,120
vaccine storage.

1509
02:30:41,439 --> 02:30:51,920
Thank you. Um uh I have a lot of
questions. I'll pick one one more maybe.

1510
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:56,600
Um two more. Do we know the R value of
the roof and ceiling in the proposed

1511
02:30:53,600 --> 02:30:56,600
plan?

1512
02:30:56,800 --> 02:31:00,040
Thank you.

1513
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:09,200
Uh, I was hoping for um either or maybe
both an approximate cost per square foot

1514
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:13,280
for the building itself and how much of
the 33 million that we've heard is the

1515
02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:18,120
building design and construction itself
and how much is outside of that scope.

1516
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:29,200
I'll defer the cost questions to Marco.
Thank you. Um, our average wall is R45

1517
02:31:30,359 --> 02:31:37,800
minimum and the roof is a 90. Thank you.

1518
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:44,160
And I'm sorry, but you have to uh remind
me real quick uh the questions regarding

1519
02:31:41,200 --> 02:31:50,439
the budget or the cost. Yeah, I had two.
uh what the approximate cost for per

1520
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:50,439
square foot for the building is

1521
02:31:51,000 --> 02:32:02,000
um at the 65% estimate. Uh again, we got
this u some a little bit little while

1522
02:31:58,000 --> 02:32:05,479
ago. Um but the the cost per square foot
was around

1523
02:32:03,240 --> 02:32:11,680
uh
$1350 a square foot.

1524
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:15,840
And how much of the 33 million that
we've heard for the budget for the

1525
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:19,439
project is uh design and construction of
the building and how much of that is

1526
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:24,160
outside the scope of the actual
building.

1527
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:29,680
Uh going to have to dig uh through my
paperwork here, but I can get back to

1528
02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:34,280
you on that. Thank you. And for the 1350
per square foot

1529
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:41,840
um
is a obviously everything here is higher

1530
02:32:37,359 --> 02:32:46,160
than average but that sounds much higher
than the average cost per square foot

1531
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:51,000
from all my research I've done on human
and animal shelters and medical clinics

1532
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:56,720
and facilities.
Um, can you speak to why that might be

1533
02:32:54,560 --> 02:33:01,120
more than three times the average cost
that I've seen for similar things in the

1534
02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:06,840
probably in the states? So, that'll be a
big part of it, but what that increase

1535
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:06,840
in cost per square foot is, please.

1536
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:17,359
Well, while Marco is looking up some
things there, um, it's, as I mentioned

1537
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:25,160
earlier, our database we've looked at
and the cost on average adjusted for

1538
02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:31,240
Alaska is $1,200 plus dollars a square
foot. There are certain things in the

1539
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:37,520
1300 number that maybe are not standard
for lower 48 shelters. So, for example,

1540
02:33:34,399 --> 02:33:42,160
a humidification system. Um that number
I think also included the additive

1541
02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:46,479
alternates that may or may not get
funded. And then lastly, maybe most

1542
02:33:44,560 --> 02:33:51,680
importantly, it's very important and
cost estimating to look at what's in the

1543
02:33:49,359 --> 02:33:57,680
unit cost that one is talking about.
Conventional practice is to include the

1544
02:33:53,920 --> 02:34:02,640
cost of the building and the site work
attributable to it in a unit cost. So it

1545
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:09,840
may be I'm not sure what other numbers
you've looked at but the 1,200 a foot

1546
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:15,439
mark is what would be an average cost if
built in Alaska for shelters of this

1547
02:34:12,520 --> 02:34:19,600
type and that includes the immediate
site work. But if you were bringing

1548
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:24,560
utilities and so forth to the building
from another uh area that would not be

1549
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:28,720
included in those kind of reference
numbers where we're talking about cost

1550
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:31,600
per square foot. Thank you. And my
understanding is utilities would have to

1551
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:35,720
be brought to this property. They're not
there already. Is that correct?

1552
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:42,640
Um I guess speaking utilities, I think
we mentioned earlier the

1553
02:34:39,960 --> 02:34:47,520
um the natural gas line that's
immediately adjacent to the facility. Um

1554
02:34:45,600 --> 02:34:54,319
electrical would have to be brought
overhead power lines. The cost there is

1555
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:59,319
is negligible. Um there is been a more
recent development with the neighboring

1556
02:34:56,240 --> 02:35:03,000
south property uh that is undergoing
development and

1557
02:35:01,479 --> 02:35:08,160
uh
the entity I guess that is developing

1558
02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:13,359
that that south lot is actually taking
it upon themselves to already be

1559
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:18,000
installing a sewer main line um
coordinating with uh the local utilities

1560
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:23,040
there. And so that that portion of the
cost is is potentially going down.

1561
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:28,560
They're not complete with that uh sewer
line. Um they've also mentioned that

1562
02:35:25,359 --> 02:35:33,920
they intend to install a water line as
well. So those are potential reductions

1563
02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:39,359
in costs. Um however, when we go to tie
in to said utilities, we would have to

1564
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:44,160
pay a premium um because we we did not
build that ourselves. So there's there's

1565
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:49,439
a give and a take and it's that that
portion of the cost is up in the air as

1566
02:35:46,399 --> 02:35:53,680
far as connection to the utilities. Um
design is still in flux in in that in

1567
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:57,280
that aspect.
Are those utilities anticipated costs

1568
02:35:55,680 --> 02:36:02,800
included in the 33 million that we've
been hearing or is that outside of that?

1569
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:08,120
Yes. Yes, those costs were anticipated
as part of this project. Thank you.

1570
02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:15,920
All right. Um, Assembly Member Haney,
thank you very much. And I have two

1571
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:22,000
questions. The first one is to do with
the kennels. On your website, you

1572
02:36:18,720 --> 02:36:27,200
feature Shot Creek Kennel construction,
uh, which you say creates the national

1573
02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:32,800
standard for the most hygienic and
durable dog kennels that cost less than

1574
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:40,160
any other methods of construction. But I
notice here that we have stainless

1575
02:36:34,560 --> 02:36:47,040
steel. Can you explain the difference?
Sure. Thank you for asking that

1576
02:36:42,680 --> 02:36:53,840
question. Um the when it's when I said
that the it's a lease cost solution for

1577
02:36:50,880 --> 02:36:58,479
that kind of kennel, it's superior to
either masonry walls, which um I think

1578
02:36:56,880 --> 02:37:03,120
there's some of those in the kennel
today. Masonry has a problem that has

1579
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:08,800
joints every 8 in. So it's not ideal
from a clinic standpoint.

1580
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:14,960
And it's more costefficient than there's
even a more expensive way of kenneling

1581
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:21,040
which uses glazed vitrius block which is
another masonry solution. So what we did

1582
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:26,479
is we found partly in California there's
a lot of swimming pools and so a lot of

1583
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:33,439
those go in with shock creep. So, we
found a a a method of building kennel

1584
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:39,200
walls up about four to even higher feet
out of six inch wide concrete. And then

1585
02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:43,600
you can build those kennels kind of like
you would a skate park where you have

1586
02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:50,080
and stuff in between it and
coat it with the urethane coating. So,

1587
02:37:47,359 --> 02:37:55,439
that's that was what that referred to
when you saw it on our website. So, for

1588
02:37:52,560 --> 02:38:00,160
your project, we uh because of a
budgetary concern and perhaps because of

1589
02:37:57,920 --> 02:38:05,120
a general lack of swimming pools. Do I
have that right? Yes.

1590
02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:10,960
Maybe there's a lot of ice rinks. But
anyway, that type of construction wasn't

1591
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:16,319
deemed feasible. And so the next best
thing would be to skinny it way down and

1592
02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:21,280
have 6-in curbs that also are built like
little mini skate parks and be coated so

1593
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:26,560
that you don't get crosscontamination
between each kennel. And then on top of

1594
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:32,399
that is built the stainless steel caging
system. So for this situation, I think

1595
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:37,760
it's the um reasonable cost to give you
the same general effect and there will

1596
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:44,640
be solid panels between the kennels to
keep dogs from, you know, um interacting

1597
02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:49,040
as much as possible. I know this I know
the sound issue is kind of a thing. I

1598
02:38:46,880 --> 02:38:52,880
know a lot of times with shelters,
right? Appreciate that. So it's a good

1599
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:57,200
solution. I think it'll be very durable
for you. My other question may not be

1600
02:38:55,520 --> 02:39:02,240
something in your valley wicked. It may
be in the burrows, but I'm kind of cons

1601
02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:09,200
wonder wondering if uh we've done much
in the way of water quality testing or

1602
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:16,160
soil testing on this site. Um was
looking over some older

1603
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:21,520
uh older information and wondering if uh
any of the stuff had been tested

1604
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:26,399
recently. Thank you.
Um, prior to purchase of the site, the

1605
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:31,840
bureau had paid a consultant to do
ground soil testing, hazardous material

1606
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:40,280
test, and whatnot. Um, I don't have that
reference on hand, but I can tell you

1607
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:40,280
that everything came back uh um normal.

1608
02:39:41,040 --> 02:39:46,600
Great. Thank you. Uh, Commissioner
Sherman,

1609
02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:57,439
with us as we um ask our questions. So,
a question back to the walls for the um

1610
02:39:54,640 --> 02:40:00,800
dog kennels. So, you answered a couple
of my questions, but how does the

1611
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:06,720
current design you're using with
stainless steel

1612
02:40:02,680 --> 02:40:09,520
um what kind of sound reduction is used?
Because that is one of those things they

1613
02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:15,520
talk about with having a good
experience. It's not as super noisy for

1614
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:18,960
any of the dogs or for less of the dogs
and the exotics. And how is that? What

1615
02:40:17,359 --> 02:40:25,160
are you using for sound reduction in
those walls?

1616
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:31,120
So the stainless steel is between the
kennels. Um we then have a ways coating

1617
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:36,560
in the kennel proper the surrounding um
that's um impermanable and sanitary. Um

1618
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:39,840
and then above that we do have
acoustical treatment and we have

1619
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:46,880
acoustical treatment of the ceiling. So
that's to sound that's to um uh hinder

1620
02:40:43,880 --> 02:40:51,359
reverberation and and assist with sound.
It's not it's not going to be a quiet

1621
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:57,040
room necessarily. Um but then we also
use insulation and a uh sound wall

1622
02:40:54,319 --> 02:41:00,359
separation from room to to mitigate that
sound transferring.

1623
02:41:01,439 --> 02:41:09,680
Thank you. That and so back to the
kennels, the cat kennels. Can you tell

1624
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:14,640
me what the ASV I looked for it and I
cannot find it the recommended size for

1625
02:41:12,080 --> 02:41:19,680
a cat kennel because looking on your I
know you have it there which is very

1626
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:26,080
hard for me to read and um can you tell
me what size the kennels are in your

1627
02:41:22,560 --> 02:41:32,920
current new design please and if they've
meet ASVA ASV standards. Thank you.

1628
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:41,439
Well, Tracy's looking for that. I'm not
sure I have that answer for you tonight,

1629
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:47,080
so we probably have to get back to you
on that. But

1630
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:47,080
yeah,

1631
02:41:48,160 --> 02:41:55,359
into the microphone, please, Miss
Sherman. Thanks. Right. not shown as

1632
02:41:53,200 --> 02:42:00,319
drawn in like the dog kennels are
size-wise and and and so I was just

1633
02:41:57,439 --> 02:42:05,439
wondering because they look pretty small
and I'm just wondering about the that

1634
02:42:02,479 --> 02:42:09,359
part of the design. We can get you that
back. And the key thing is that those

1635
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:14,000
are double-sided kennels, too. So,
they'll have a portal in it that you can

1636
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:18,040
open and the cat can go from one side to
other all of the cat cages.

1637
02:42:18,240 --> 02:42:27,439
I have uh a couple questions. Um,
similar to the 1,200 square ft and the

1638
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:33,439
1350 square uh cost per square foot, how
does the cost of this facility compare

1639
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:40,000
to plans in other similar communities?
Has that been evaluated?

1640
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:47,439
Um, I can answer that. We There's not a
lot of other um what I would call proper

1641
02:42:44,200 --> 02:42:52,000
um shelters built in in the state of
Alaska. Um, you have the one in

1642
02:42:49,640 --> 02:42:56,160
Anchorage, you have the one in Matsu,
there's probably some others. Um, I

1643
02:42:54,240 --> 02:43:00,680
would say some of them are not advisable
that built in recent years or planned.

1644
02:42:59,439 --> 02:43:06,800
Your
facility, I think I can say this, when

1645
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:11,600
built will be the best shelter in the
state of Alaska. And the reason is

1646
02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:16,960
because we built it from the ground up
based on shelter medicine best

1647
02:43:14,200 --> 02:43:22,520
practices. Kind of end of story. And
we've done so with a the a as as

1648
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:27,520
expensive as it is, it's the most
efficient shell of a building that has

1649
02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:32,560
all the right components in it arranged
in the right way. So that is what I'm

1650
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:36,960
kind of claiming for you if you find it
useful. I don't know. This is something

1651
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:43,040
you know be a little bit of bragging
rights for Fairbanks in the

1652
02:43:39,720 --> 02:43:46,560
future. But um as far as the what was
the rest of your question? And I I

1653
02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:52,399
wanted to get that off my shoulder.
Yeah. Comparable cost. Yeah. So I

1654
02:43:49,520 --> 02:43:57,520
mentioned we So there when you look at
costs of shelters in Alaska, you'd have

1655
02:43:55,359 --> 02:44:02,479
to take the bigger ones like Anchorage
and escalate it as I've done with other

1656
02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:07,279
shelters in uh in particular the other
western states. And so what I've done is

1657
02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:13,840
I've escalated all those to current and
compared them. And I think the $1,300 a

1658
02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:18,399
foot, which Marco mentioned, it probably
includes the additive alternates if I'm

1659
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:22,399
not mistaken. Your base cost is more
like $1,200 square foot. And as Tracy

1660
02:44:20,720 --> 02:44:29,600
mentioned, this is in flux because we're
just now putting together 90 95%

1661
02:44:25,040 --> 02:44:34,120
package. But that $1,200 a square foot
average cost which includes the

1662
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:39,160
building, the built-in furnishings, the
caging, the site work on the project,

1663
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:46,399
but not serving
utilities. That cost is comparable to

1664
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:52,000
the average cost of shelters built in
the western US. So, I wanted to make

1665
02:44:50,319 --> 02:44:58,640
sure you understood you're getting a
shelter that's in the right price point

1666
02:44:54,560 --> 02:45:05,319
for what you're getting basically.
And when you look at the shelter that

1667
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:05,319
that is proposed even at 65%.

1668
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:15,520
What grade would you give it when you
know in comparison are we getting an A+?

1669
02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:20,000
Are we getting something that is um you
know the the Lexus or the Jaguar or are

1670
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:26,080
we getting something that's more
practical like the Ford um which is kind

1671
02:45:23,200 --> 02:45:32,640
of more our speed. You're getting four
smiley faces on this project. It's No,

1672
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:38,319
it's not. Yeah. Well, I don't like to
use the car analogy exactly, but I would

1673
02:45:36,000 --> 02:45:42,479
just tell you that this shelter has all
the basic things you would want to have

1674
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:49,840
in it for a shelter built today that's
going to serve Fairbanks for the next

1675
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:55,279
20, 30, 50 years. Um, and so it's not
it's definitely not

1676
02:45:52,359 --> 02:46:00,479
a I'm trying to think of a good car. No,
I mean, this is like it's like the Ford

1677
02:45:58,319 --> 02:46:06,319
fully loaded. It's got the all the right
stuff in it, but it's, you know, not on

1678
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:12,160
the extremes of um the cost range.
Thank you for that. One other question

1679
02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:17,040
is on the um secure staff side of the
building. We haven't talked much about

1680
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:22,479
that and I noticed on the on the plans
that there's a a gate um and then the

1681
02:46:20,000 --> 02:46:27,040
word secure staff makes me think that
that it's not open to the public.

1682
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:30,319
However, it looks like the night drop
and the way that we've been talking

1683
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:35,600
about that seems like there would be
public access. So, could you explain

1684
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:41,520
that a little bit more?
Sure. Um, I guess we need one of the

1685
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:48,520
maybe the site plan pulled up or how
would you like to I think um Yeah, that

1686
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:48,520
that's a good one.

1687
02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:57,359
Sure. Oh, that needs to be turned off.
So I would say I guess just looking at

1688
02:46:55,279 --> 02:47:03,760
the facility there and you can see the
fence line with with the dark line type

1689
02:47:01,359 --> 02:47:07,760
um there is a pathway between the
building and the fence to access the

1690
02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:13,920
drop offs.
Here's the public drive here and you can

1691
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:18,720
park here or drop off here or walk in
here on this pathway to that night drop

1692
02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:24,880
that was added since the 65 per
direction of the burrow. um and to a

1693
02:47:21,560 --> 02:47:30,560
covered door access for afterhour drop
off and then it's separated by fencing

1694
02:47:28,240 --> 02:47:36,319
secure fencing for this people were
talking about safety in this

1695
02:47:32,640 --> 02:47:44,000
neighborhood perhaps there is uh 8 foot
fence mark 8ft fence um a keyed gate

1696
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:49,520
electronic gate um to allow access in
and secured after um around that staff

1697
02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:54,080
parking to separate that from this open
public side. Okay. And then I'm assuming

1698
02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:59,040
that there's a a separate staff
entrance. The staff entrances. Yes.

1699
02:47:56,800 --> 02:48:04,399
Yeah. If you can you move forward on the
slide, there's just a hint of a faint

1700
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:12,000
line dashed and a gate. Correct. There's
a locked um separation here. Oh, it's so

1701
02:48:09,359 --> 02:48:16,000
part of that secure fencing line. So
staff can enter this way. This is

1702
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:19,600
actually the canopy above. So it's not
Yeah, there's a lot being shown right

1703
02:48:17,760 --> 02:48:25,680
here on this drawing, but Okay, thank
you. Yeah,

1704
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:31,200
next I have
Thank you. Um, so most of my questions

1705
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:35,200
have been asked, but Bruce, I have to
correct you. We happen to have a lot of

1706
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:42,399
pools here in Fairbanks. They're huge.
We happen to call them gravel pits. But,

1707
02:48:38,600 --> 02:48:44,800
uh, so I guess I my question I guess is
going to be to the administration. I

1708
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:48,920
think I know it. Who plows Leisure
Street? Should be the city. Correct.

1709
02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:54,160
That would be my guess. I don't have
that answer specifically, but I would

1710
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:57,520
guess so. It's not going to be in our
service areas. It's going to be in the

1711
02:48:55,279 --> 02:49:04,000
city limits for sure. Okay. Little bit
of a concern

1712
02:49:00,120 --> 02:49:07,760
there. for some reason this plan were to
go forward, I think we would have to

1713
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:12,319
work with the city on plowing that a
little more frequently because they tend

1714
02:49:10,080 --> 02:49:16,960
to ignore those side roads, especially
going into that kind of industrial area.

1715
02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:21,439
And then I know Miss Haney asked about
the contamination issue. I know there's

1716
02:49:18,800 --> 02:49:26,560
a junkyard right behind it. Have we done
any kind of drilling or core sampling

1717
02:49:23,680 --> 02:49:30,160
just to see you remember? Geez, what was
it? The battery place was right across

1718
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:36,000
the street that contaminated all of
that. Have we have we sampled anything

1719
02:49:32,560 --> 02:49:41,680
over there for potential?
Again, prior to purchase of the

1720
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:49,040
property, we do soil samples to uh to
try to assess any hazardous materials.

1721
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:54,720
Um none were uh nothing more than than
normal was observed.

1722
02:49:51,479 --> 02:49:57,600
Okay. All right. Thank you. and I will
reach out to the city public works

1723
02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:01,840
department to make sure if and when this
project goes forward that they plow it

1724
02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:10,399
better.
Commissioner Rudy, thank you.

1725
02:50:04,840 --> 02:50:16,120
Um, for the staff um, gate entrance, is
are you guys planning on using a

1726
02:50:11,680 --> 02:50:16,120
motorized sliding gate for access

1727
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:30,080
for staff entrance at the back? Are you
planning on using a motorized sliding

1728
02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:30,080
gate for entrance?

1729
02:50:31,760 --> 02:50:40,240
I think your microphone needs to turn
on. Apologies. Um, it is a an electric

1730
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:45,600
sliding gate on rollers from the top.
And there is not a keypad. There's

1731
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:51,040
actually a device in the vehicles that
can be uh transferred from vehicle to

1732
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:55,279
vehicle and a reader. So when you
approach from either side, the gate will

1733
02:50:52,880 --> 02:51:00,800
open for you.
I uh professionally recommend

1734
02:50:58,960 --> 02:51:05,920
considering anything other than a
sliding gate for Alaska. Um pushing it

1735
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:10,399
through snow unless people are going to
be diligent daily when it's snowing.

1736
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:15,359
You're going to have a lot of operating
costs moving forward with service to

1737
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:17,680
that sort of system. And um the majority
of calls we've done on that sort of

1738
02:51:16,640 --> 02:51:21,600
thing are because people aren't
shoveling daily. So, it is a an

1739
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:27,359
expenditure in the future to consider
for that kind of specifically sliding

1740
02:51:23,520 --> 02:51:32,920
motorized gates um in the snowy season.
Yeah, I'm going to let Marco speak to

1741
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:32,920
that.

1742
02:51:36,479 --> 02:51:44,120
Um just a little bit of knowledge to
other projects that the bureau has has

1743
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:49,359
had their hand in. um
the the burough transit facility uh

1744
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:57,240
which was newly constructed. I know that
the lifting gates were um were thought

1745
02:51:52,720 --> 02:52:01,279
of uh being implemented but u um I think
through discussions with our maintenance

1746
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:04,880
department as well as the staff that
would be managing the facility um they

1747
02:52:03,439 --> 02:52:10,960
thought it'd be best to keep with the
rollers. Um and so likewise we uh we

1748
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:14,880
kept that with that method for for this
facility.

1749
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:18,160
Thank you. I uh work for a company that
does a lot of the maintenance on a lot

1750
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:21,960
of the um burrow gates and a lot of
gates in town. Actually, we don't

1751
02:52:19,279 --> 02:52:26,479
anymore because it's such a um
service uh difficult service to offer.

1752
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:29,279
Um people don't like to pay a
professional to come out and tell them

1753
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:32,800
that now you have to pay $300 because we
shoveled the snow for you, which is a

1754
02:52:31,040 --> 02:52:37,600
very common thing for us to encounter.
So, I don't expect it to change, but it

1755
02:52:34,240 --> 02:52:43,520
is something to consider um how that
might affect costs moving forward with

1756
02:52:40,080 --> 02:52:47,760
that kind of gate access. And do I have
time for another question? I was

1757
02:52:45,359 --> 02:52:52,560
wondering how much the um programmatical
needs analysis from

1758
02:52:49,880 --> 02:52:55,560
2017 influenced the current shelter
design.

1759
02:52:58,319 --> 02:53:05,920
Yeah, thank you for bringing that up. We
use that as a reference document before

1760
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:11,359
we started work on the updated planning
study which was based on

1761
02:53:08,120 --> 02:53:15,680
2022 figures. So we leveraged what we
could from it. I don't remember

1762
02:53:12,640 --> 02:53:19,920
particulars but it was we realized the
bureau paid for that. So we wanted to

1763
02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:24,720
make sure we made best use of it going
forward.

1764
02:53:21,359 --> 02:53:27,800
I I have a copy of it and there I have a
lot of questions about things that the

1765
02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:33,840
that were
deemed requirements for a new facility

1766
02:53:30,720 --> 02:53:38,960
that might not necessarily be the new
plans. Um and most notably, I'm

1767
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:43,520
wondering why how the Sallyport ended up
as an additional add-on considering how

1768
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:47,120
important it seems to be for the
shelter. It's part of a PNA that was

1769
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:52,160
done and a lot of people in the
community and other commissioners have

1770
02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:56,120
been very vocal about the need for a
Sallyport at the shelter.

1771
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:03,040
So, sorry, the question is why is that
an additional add-on and not part

1772
02:54:01,040 --> 02:54:08,399
considered a an essential requirement
for the design?

1773
02:54:05,840 --> 02:54:13,359
I would have to say uh it's mainly due
to cost constraints with the overall

1774
02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:20,240
project budget and uh trying to get a
functioning facility um that

1775
02:54:16,840 --> 02:54:27,680
would um fit our community for the next
50 years. And um it was determined that

1776
02:54:24,240 --> 02:54:34,399
uh the Sallyport would be relatively
easier to add on in the future than to

1777
02:54:30,399 --> 02:54:40,880
try and add core kennel spaces. Um, so
that was uh that was the the reasoning.

1778
02:54:38,720 --> 02:54:47,359
I do think maybe other people here have
the same as experience I do, but

1779
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:50,640
additions on existing buildings um do
have a lot of potential to separate from

1780
02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:54,000
the builder, you know, cause problems
later down the road when they're not

1781
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:57,680
part of the the initial heart of the
structure. Um we've torn a couple down

1782
02:54:56,160 --> 02:55:00,920
on our house the last few years that we
thought were going to be great add-ons.

1783
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:06,359
Um, but
the is there anything else in the plans

1784
02:55:04,399 --> 02:55:10,479
that would be
less I don't want to say important. Is

1785
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:15,439
there anything that could be given from
elsewhere to to have a Sallyport? In the

1786
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:18,880
PNA, it does reference the Sallyport is
needed to continue the drive-through

1787
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:24,600
rabies clinics. So without it, I'm
wondering how in this flow those

1788
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:24,600
drive-through clinics would happen too.

1789
02:55:25,040 --> 02:55:32,560
uh the intent the drive-through rabies
clinic could happen at that front curb

1790
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:38,319
cut and it would be an outdoor activity
was one option. Um also since that study

1791
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:44,080
we um have started offering rabies
vaccines daily instead of a annual

1792
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:48,080
drive-through clinic. So we haven't been
hosting those. It's good to hear they're

1793
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:52,640
daily. Is the drive-through clinic then
not a concern moving forward?

1794
02:55:50,720 --> 02:55:56,560
Not currently.
Thank you.

1795
02:55:54,640 --> 02:56:04,800
I'll wait my turn for some more
questions. Thank you. Okay. Um my intent

1796
02:55:59,359 --> 02:56:09,920
is that we wrap wrap up uh this meeting
uh at 9:00 or before. So I just want to

1797
02:56:06,960 --> 02:56:17,680
set that intention to to the body. Um
Assembly Member Ree Ramos.

1798
02:56:12,960 --> 02:56:22,880
Um thank you. Uh first I want to um say
thank you for everyone coming down here.

1799
02:56:19,279 --> 02:56:28,800
this has been um really helpful and uh
just the your the beginning presentation

1800
02:56:26,160 --> 02:56:31,520
alone answered a lot of questions that I
think a lot of people had probably by

1801
02:56:30,240 --> 02:56:36,720
design that's probably why you guys said
what you did but this has been very

1802
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:40,880
great um my question is to the
administration and

1803
02:56:38,439 --> 02:56:46,160
it's not really for me but just for
anybody who's listening when you

1804
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:49,680
mentioned earlier that the animal
shelter you know went through the kit

1805
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:53,200
process and it became became the highest
priority. I think I think you said it

1806
02:56:51,359 --> 02:56:57,040
was the the highest priority. Can you
explain that a little bit just so people

1807
02:56:54,800 --> 02:57:03,240
can understand like this is something
that the community wanted?

1808
02:57:00,880 --> 02:57:08,000
That certainly
um through the the chair. So I have not

1809
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:10,960
gone personally through the KIPP scoring
process, but it's something we've talked

1810
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:15,840
a fair bit about especially with uh
school district projects and things like

1811
02:57:12,479 --> 02:57:20,000
that. Um there's a a objective scoring
process that looks at, you know,

1812
02:57:17,760 --> 02:57:26,640
replacement needs, safety requirements,
needs of the community, um impacts, uh

1813
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:32,880
and low threshold for the um existing
facility that's there.

1814
02:57:28,600 --> 02:57:36,319
Um and all of those different scoring
processes raised this one to have the

1815
02:57:34,960 --> 02:57:41,279
highest need. And then it also went in
front of the assembly where it was

1816
02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:44,960
ranked um on a more subjective basis uh
from the mayor at the time and to the

1817
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:49,920
assembly to make sure that it was also
voted on by a public process that looked

1818
02:57:47,279 --> 02:57:53,359
at um additional needs and realities of
the the situation there. So um through

1819
02:57:52,000 --> 02:57:57,439
all those different processes a number
of years ago it came forward as the

1820
02:57:54,960 --> 02:58:03,279
number one need based on the age of the
current facility the the um the relative

1821
02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:08,160
improvements from the existing
infrastructure to the current to this

1822
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:14,319
new shelter and how great of a of an
impact that would be. Um and that need

1823
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:18,880
has only grown in the community. So um I
could walk through the scoring process

1824
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:25,960
and my trusty chief of staff says oh I
stand corrected. It is the number two

1825
02:58:21,439 --> 02:58:25,960
facility the transit garage

1826
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:32,880
ah that we had already so the number one
ranking was the transit garage um and

1827
02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:38,120
that has been built and so now we are
this has now become the number one

1828
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:43,120
thank
you assembly member Wilson

1829
02:58:41,920 --> 02:58:45,680
so I guess I just want to put on the
record I don't think there's anybody

1830
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:50,319
that disagrees that there's issues with
the current animal shelter so I can see

1831
02:58:48,880 --> 02:58:54,800
where it's number one, I think where the
debate is really getting is how big, how

1832
02:58:52,960 --> 02:58:59,040
much money, you know, is the community
as a whole willing to spend. So I So I

1833
02:58:57,680 --> 02:59:02,800
can see how I could get to number one,
but I guess I just need a little bit

1834
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:07,279
more clarification on the price and
what's included in it. Are we still at

1835
02:59:05,200 --> 02:59:11,920
the percentage that we're at now still
talking about $33 million total

1836
02:59:18,040 --> 02:59:27,479
cost? Uh overall project costs, yes,
around that.

1837
02:59:24,319 --> 02:59:36,080
Okay. And so earlier you said it was
$1,350 a square foot for the building

1838
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:36,080
itself. So based on that, it would be at

1839
02:59:36,200 --> 02:59:44,399
23,944,950 for just a simple math. So
can you tell me then where does the

1840
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:49,120
other $10 million come into? I mean, is
it the barn? Is it what exact, you know,

1841
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:52,439
where are we spending 10 more million
dollars at?

1842
02:59:53,399 --> 03:00:04,000
Um so overall project costs um have
included the purchase of the site um

1843
03:00:00,160 --> 03:00:10,560
have included uh time u for burough
staff has also included um our our

1844
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:16,040
consultants to do the design also had
third party uh consultants to review the

1845
03:00:13,200 --> 03:00:22,880
estimate and review structural design.
Um and so

1846
03:00:18,359 --> 03:00:28,880
uh in addition to um I guess the the
number that you had quoted, we build in

1847
03:00:25,720 --> 03:00:34,399
contingencies. Uh we can't we can't go
to construction with just uh the money

1848
03:00:31,040 --> 03:00:38,880
that is for the estimate. So
So it would be nice to have figures to

1849
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:42,840
all those things that you added, but and
maybe I'm incorrect on something. So,

1850
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:48,160
the barn, the other buildings that are
there, what square footage cost are

1851
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:53,040
those? Cuz if I understood correctly
while ago, you said 1350 was just for

1852
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:58,720
the main building.
So, I I have to I guess state again that

1853
03:00:55,439 --> 03:01:04,720
the 1350 was the number for the 65%
estimate. The project is has continued

1854
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:11,319
on with design. Things are are changing
around the site like like utilities.

1855
03:01:07,880 --> 03:01:20,399
Um so the things are are in flux.
Um as far as the

1856
03:01:16,279 --> 03:01:24,800
um the it's not the outdoor kennel when
we um so the the 1350 per square foot is

1857
03:01:23,520 --> 03:01:30,720
for the construction of the actual
building. Correct.

1858
03:01:27,640 --> 03:01:36,640
It I guess I' like to state again that
was for the 65% estimate. Um, it's for

1859
03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:41,359
the overall project costs kind of boiled
down to building square footage. So, it

1860
03:01:39,920 --> 03:01:46,880
would be the utility costs. It would
also be all the site work um and and and

1861
03:01:45,279 --> 03:01:51,520
such. Okay. And then on top of that,
there would be the contingency cost, the

1862
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:56,399
um design, the consultants, the um other
things that are built in um the land,

1863
03:01:53,760 --> 03:01:58,960
the utilities and things like that. Or
is the utilities included? Do you know

1864
03:01:57,920 --> 03:02:03,760
off the top of your head? And if we need
to get back to this, that's that's

1865
03:02:00,399 --> 03:02:03,760
perfectly fine. We certainly can.

1866
03:02:04,040 --> 03:02:11,040
Uh, I think we can get back to it at a
later date so I can maybe dig up some

1867
03:02:08,319 --> 03:02:15,680
more specific numbers, but uh um to
state this that the the purchase of the

1868
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:20,399
property is not included in in the
construction costs.

1869
03:02:17,720 --> 03:02:24,560
Gotcha. And Marco, real quick, uh have
we gone out to bid? Have we accepted

1870
03:02:22,319 --> 03:02:29,960
bids for this project yet? Oh, no. And
what would a bid tell us when we do go

1871
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:29,960
out to a bid?

1872
03:02:30,200 --> 03:02:40,520
Uh, a bid would tell us um I guess how
accurate the estimate is. Um, if the bid

1873
03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:46,479
comes in over or comes in under
um it uh for a project of this scale, I

1874
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:51,520
could say in comparison to like the
transit facility, it came in

1875
03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:57,600
significantly under what was estimated.
So, it's um estimates

1876
03:02:54,600 --> 03:03:05,200
are are in a sense like a best guess.
and uh things like uh inflation and uh

1877
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:10,160
uncertainty uh really change things. So
it's it is a best guess.

1878
03:03:08,960 --> 03:03:15,840
Madam Chair, could I get a little
clarification? I because I heard a lot

1879
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:21,439
of figures. So is it 1350 a square foot
or 1550 a square foot?

1880
03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:27,680
Because you said both while ago, did I?
Uh 13. So we're back to 1350. I've only

1881
03:03:24,240 --> 03:03:33,359
heard 1350. I've never heard 1550. Well,
I think they were adding in some like

1882
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:37,279
the Okay, that's good. I thought that's
maybe I didn't. Um, so we're going to be

1883
03:03:36,000 --> 03:03:43,040
able to get a breakdown what all those
additional costs like what we've spent

1884
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:47,760
thus far and then what are because this
is just construction for the 1350 per

1885
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:53,439
square foot, but there's going to be a
lot of other the rest of the design, you

1886
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:58,000
know, um, like they said, leveling of
the sites, all those other types of

1887
03:03:54,960 --> 03:04:03,600
things for the um, we can we'd be happy
to get what has been expended and al um,

1888
03:04:00,840 --> 03:04:07,600
and what's the word I'm looking for? um
put aside already for the the cost for

1889
03:04:05,840 --> 03:04:11,120
design and and consultants and things
like that. We'd be happy to um get that

1890
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:15,279
cost to to the assembly of what's
already been spent for purchase of the

1891
03:04:12,399 --> 03:04:21,640
property for design so far up to 65% at
this point. That would then grow as we

1892
03:04:16,960 --> 03:04:26,399
go to 95% and and beyond. Um in terms of
what and then what the bid would come

1893
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:30,319
in, we won't know. So that cost might
come down in terms of what would fill

1894
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:32,880
those numbers. We could get a breakdown,
but the most accurate thing so far is

1895
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:35,520
going to be what we would have spent
already. And I'm happy to to provide

1896
03:04:34,479 --> 03:04:40,319
that. And would it show the
contingencies? Because I keep hearing

1897
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:45,439
10%. All the all the extra things have
not necessarily been added in here. And

1898
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:50,560
what those extra things are extra things
is in the additive. So you have your

1899
03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:54,880
base price and then base bid and then um
the consultants have talked a little bit

1900
03:04:52,000 --> 03:04:57,680
about there were possible other ads that
are not part of that. I don't know what

1901
03:04:56,319 --> 03:05:00,640
that list even looks like. Right. And I
believe there's five items. We can

1902
03:04:58,800 --> 03:05:05,120
include that as well. It's it's if the
bid comes in lower than the 33 million

1903
03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:10,640
that's been allocated. We have an
opportunity um to decide if we want to

1904
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:14,479
add on a Sallyport, add on additional um
kennels as as this slide shows. Uh we

1905
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:17,439
can provide a narrative about that whole
breakdown as well for the different

1906
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:21,279
costs and what those Sallyport and what
that list of five items four or five

1907
03:05:19,520 --> 03:05:26,479
items would be. And I believe uh Miss
Vanerdale also had some added additions

1908
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:29,920
additives to my statement. Thanks. So, I
wanted to add just a little bit of

1909
03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:36,319
clarity. Um, typically what our approach
is is to design to 95% of a budget in

1910
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:42,240
that our cost estimators, which I
appreciate the bureau's due diligence to

1911
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:46,640
have another cost estimator um vet the
exact estimate, all documents, all

1912
03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:52,240
estimates to make sure um nothing was
missed. Um, that has a a contingency um

1913
03:05:50,399 --> 03:05:56,560
for the unknowns applied to that. And
that contingency starts at our early

1914
03:05:54,319 --> 03:06:03,200
estimates at something like it could be
up to 20 30%. To talk about, you know,

1915
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:07,680
economic unknowns, inflations, um, labor
pools and such and considerations. And

1916
03:06:05,439 --> 03:06:12,800
as the design gets more developed and
each of these submitts that I described,

1917
03:06:09,359 --> 03:06:16,960
the 35% the 65% each one of those gets
priced and comes out with a complete

1918
03:06:14,880 --> 03:06:21,279
cost estimate line item by line item
that we quantify and check and make sure

1919
03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:27,560
it it matches our models and our design
intents. Um that contingency is reduced.

1920
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:33,040
So we have um we are kind of carry this
responsibility of the construction

1921
03:06:30,000 --> 03:06:40,560
contingency on that cost estimating set.
The bureau on their own cover a project

1922
03:06:36,200 --> 03:06:44,479
contingency for those other unknowns. So
there's a little there's there's

1923
03:06:42,399 --> 03:06:52,160
different areas of that that I want to
um identify. So we design to 95% of the

1924
03:06:49,439 --> 03:06:55,840
budget, the construction budget, not the
project budget, the construction budget

1925
03:06:53,680 --> 03:07:04,000
that the bureau gives us. And then we
design upwards from there to 105 or more

1926
03:07:00,319 --> 03:07:08,560
percent in these design additives, these
things that are on our wish list.

1927
03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:16,560
They're really really important, but
we've made conscious decisions with

1928
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:22,680
direction um on what could be parcled
and quantified added within this bid or

1929
03:07:20,800 --> 03:07:26,960
added in the future. The bureau could
decide in a year or two or whatever add

1930
03:07:25,279 --> 03:07:31,520
these components in and we've accounted
for those in the ventilation, the

1931
03:07:29,359 --> 03:07:36,240
structural, maybe even in the over
excavation so that an addition can be

1932
03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:44,160
built um readily. So that's how we
design for these four. Right now we're

1933
03:07:39,279 --> 03:07:48,319
tracking four design um additives. Thank
you.

1934
03:07:46,399 --> 03:07:52,479
I just recommend that that that those
answers are very clear for tomorrow. I

1935
03:07:50,800 --> 03:07:57,279
think that the public will really want
to know those specifics and that that

1936
03:07:55,120 --> 03:08:03,720
those answers are really well understood
by the project team um to present

1937
03:08:00,359 --> 03:08:12,040
tomorrow. Okay. On my list I have Mr.
Leginus, Miss Haney, Miss Rudy, Miss

1938
03:08:07,640 --> 03:08:15,520
Sherman, Mr. Leginus. Thank you, Madam
Chair. You just kind of touched on one

1939
03:08:14,240 --> 03:08:20,800
of the questions I had for the
administration um for tomorrow's

1940
03:08:18,760 --> 03:08:26,479
presentation. Are you guys planning on
listing like some of the questions and

1941
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:33,279
answers that was uh asked and provided
this evening to streamline the public's

1942
03:08:30,399 --> 03:08:36,720
comment? Um I was just texting with the
public works team now or messaging with

1943
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:41,680
them to make sure we have at least a
narrative to understand what those that

1944
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:44,880
um difference is the delta and the um
from construction to full project bid

1945
03:08:43,439 --> 03:08:48,160
cost and the estimate that we're putting
forward and the the best that we'll be

1946
03:08:46,880 --> 03:08:53,520
able to give is what we'll make sure
we're there to streamline it tomorrow

1947
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:59,520
night. Yeah. Not just the uh cost and
stuff but like just the generic uh

1948
03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:05,359
questions that have been asked tonight.
um to the chair. We'll probably run most

1949
03:09:02,560 --> 03:09:09,600
of the similar slideshow. Um the cost
the questions that we have, we'll uh

1950
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:12,800
we'll be happy to include as many of
them in the opening and comments as in

1951
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:15,840
the presentation as we can. If there are
specific things you would like to make

1952
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:21,439
sure that we do include, I'll be happy
to make sure I do that. Thank you. Um

1953
03:09:18,319 --> 03:09:24,800
and then the the other one uh thanks the
administration for putting this

1954
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:31,319
together. This is is huge. the
transparency for uh us and the uh public

1955
03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:38,720
is important.
Um so knowing that um as costs go up uh

1956
03:09:36,640 --> 03:09:41,720
the further out these projects get
pushed

1957
03:09:42,200 --> 03:09:51,120
um if the assembly were to appropriate
the 33 million to start construction say

1958
03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:57,960
next year it's sounding like and correct
me if I'm wrong that

1959
03:09:53,399 --> 03:10:01,200
um that would include all these additive
um additive

1960
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:09,600
alternates the sally port the Yeah,
usually that that's a really good

1961
03:10:07,439 --> 03:10:16,640
question assembly member legis generally
what we do is um have a base bid package

1962
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:21,760
that goes out and then uh when bids come
in um any additional alternates that

1963
03:10:20,319 --> 03:10:25,600
we're able to fund with the
appropriation uh we have a conversation

1964
03:10:24,080 --> 03:10:30,399
and start ranking and seeing which one
of those we can fit into the project.

1965
03:10:27,680 --> 03:10:35,279
Um, but it depends on what how the bids
come back.

1966
03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:40,880
But isn't the 33 million to kind of
cover that from what I was

1967
03:10:37,399 --> 03:10:46,040
hearing include all the added alternate
you just spoke on Tracy?

1968
03:10:48,439 --> 03:10:58,640
Sure.
So, um, as as Kuba was stating, um, once

1969
03:10:55,120 --> 03:11:02,960
we receive the bids, we will then look
at those with reference to how much

1970
03:11:00,560 --> 03:11:08,399
money we have for construction and if we
can afford the additional alternates,

1971
03:11:05,520 --> 03:11:13,040
the additive of alternates. Then the
bureau at the option can select for the

1972
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:19,520
contractor to construct that to include
it in their contract. if we don't have

1973
03:11:15,439 --> 03:11:24,880
the funds because um bids can go up and
down. We don't know what the bids are

1974
03:11:21,359 --> 03:11:30,960
until we get them. Um only if we have
the funds available to construct would

1975
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:39,640
we then include it into the project.
It's not uh um guaranteed.

1976
03:11:35,319 --> 03:11:44,880
Okay. I just would uh have one more.
Um, so not only are these added

1977
03:11:42,120 --> 03:11:49,640
alternates kind of part of the bid, I
guess, um,

1978
03:11:47,160 --> 03:11:57,359
or price
tag, what other like amenity style items

1979
03:11:54,720 --> 03:12:04,160
are included, you know, be it with a
barn, the corral, the dog sled area, and

1980
03:12:00,800 --> 03:12:09,120
and any medical equipment, be it like an
X-ray or

1981
03:12:05,560 --> 03:12:13,000
ultrasound. Um,
Is there anything that I considered?

1982
03:12:23,279 --> 03:12:32,000
Um, this is Commissioner Rosenberg. Can
I just be totally out of turn and say

1983
03:12:29,279 --> 03:12:37,040
the shelter fund bought an ultrasound
and if there's specific medical

1984
03:12:34,279 --> 03:12:42,080
equipment that the veterinarian would
like, we would buy that.

1985
03:12:39,760 --> 03:12:46,520
Thank you. Commissioner, would the
administration like to weigh in

1986
03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:46,520
additionally?

1987
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:54,960
The equipment that will throughout the
facility is is included in the design

1988
03:12:52,399 --> 03:12:59,840
package. Um, so that would include the
stuff that is going to be within the

1989
03:12:57,359 --> 03:13:07,359
surgery suite. Appreciate it. Thank you
very much. That's all. All right. Uh,

1990
03:13:03,920 --> 03:13:12,399
Assembly Member Haney. Hi. Thank you. I
want to make sure I following you

1991
03:13:09,439 --> 03:13:16,720
correctly on the night drop because I
think I see a problem in how you have

1992
03:13:14,479 --> 03:13:20,600
that set up. Can you walk me through
that one more time, please?

1993
03:13:27,840 --> 03:13:36,560
do this from here if that's okay. So
from the

1994
03:13:32,920 --> 03:13:45,000
exterior you would walk along that path
into the building that door I'm sorry.

1995
03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:45,000
Okay, I'll go up there. Here

1996
03:13:45,060 --> 03:13:50,640
[Music]
you can

1997
03:13:48,279 --> 03:13:55,479
click. So, you're actually going to have
to walk around the building with the

1998
03:13:52,960 --> 03:14:01,359
animal to get to the
night. There's no way to pull up to the

1999
03:13:58,160 --> 03:14:08,000
door to the night drop. Correct. There
would be a short walk. It's not far.

2000
03:14:04,040 --> 03:14:13,200
Lighted. Um there would also uh Yeah.
And then covered here. The concern was

2001
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:17,120
how many exterior doors on the facility
total would have to be monitored and

2002
03:14:15,359 --> 03:14:23,200
they wanted to be sort of clustered,
have canopy protection and be lit. So

2003
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:28,399
also be in a proximity where the staff
could enter in that room from a separate

2004
03:14:25,640 --> 03:14:33,760
door and access the animals and bring
them directly inside. So where um and be

2005
03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:39,920
directly brought to the intake room and
then into possibly quarantine or such.

2006
03:14:37,600 --> 03:14:47,120
So um not knowing where the animal came
from and and its um history. So that

2007
03:14:43,920 --> 03:14:51,200
proximity was a leading factor of where
these animals wanted to be brought in

2008
03:14:49,600 --> 03:14:57,080
and
uh processed I guess. So that happens

2009
03:14:54,239 --> 03:15:03,439
here towards the back. Staff can then
enter on a separate door. If you flip to

2010
03:15:00,319 --> 03:15:07,680
the floor plan, Bruce, please. Um it
might be best in the floor plan. So

2011
03:15:06,000 --> 03:15:12,720
underneath this arrow is the public
access door. So that would be unlocked

2012
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:18,640
at a certain time. The door into the
facility would be locked. They would

2013
03:15:15,040 --> 03:15:23,840
have the proper paperwork and um
registration information there, access

2014
03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:30,080
to water um to put into each of their
kennels here and then um go as they

2015
03:15:27,920 --> 03:15:35,279
please. And then at the certain hour
that door would be locked and the staff

2016
03:15:32,319 --> 03:15:42,560
could access in there safely um without
interacting with the public if not

2017
03:15:37,760 --> 03:15:47,600
needed. So is that ADA compliant? Yep.
The reason why I'm I'm wondering okay

2018
03:15:44,800 --> 03:15:51,200
and just pair with I'm walking through
somebody right now through their sort of

2019
03:15:49,279 --> 03:15:56,720
end of life stuff that's going on in
their life and and actually one of the

2020
03:15:53,760 --> 03:16:02,000
things they're having to do is get that
and so um and I think with her she would

2021
03:16:00,239 --> 03:16:06,239
never make that walk she would it would
never even be possible for her and we

2022
03:16:04,640 --> 03:16:11,800
have a community where the senior
population is four times going four

2023
03:16:08,399 --> 03:16:17,520
times faster than the rest population
Um, and I think of quite often times

2024
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:23,760
when people are giving up their pets,
it's uh either sort of a medical end of

2025
03:16:20,160 --> 03:16:28,080
life near end of life kind of event or
it's

2026
03:16:24,680 --> 03:16:33,920
u they've tried to rehome it, can't
rehome it, whatever reason. Um, having

2027
03:16:31,279 --> 03:16:39,920
to give it up, heading out of town,
financially desperate, blah blah blah.

2028
03:16:36,640 --> 03:16:44,600
Um, and I just I think about the first
scenario being a little bit more perhaps

2029
03:16:42,399 --> 03:16:49,920
commonly based than the second
one. And I I

2030
03:16:47,239 --> 03:16:55,160
just I'm looking at that walk and I'm
thinking, you know, December ice.

2031
03:16:57,760 --> 03:17:01,000
That's fine.

2032
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:15,040
We would love as uh people that work
with animals, rescuing animals, is for

2033
03:17:12,960 --> 03:17:19,279
them to come during the day in the front
door and meet with us face to face and

2034
03:17:17,439 --> 03:17:23,279
explain to us this is why I have to give
up my beloved animal. These are the

2035
03:17:21,920 --> 03:17:26,880
things that they like. These are the
things that they don't like. This is the

2036
03:17:24,720 --> 03:17:32,080
kind of family I'd like them to be with.
and then we can help so much more

2037
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:38,319
finding them the appropriate home. When
they're dropped in the overnight boxes,

2038
03:17:34,880 --> 03:17:43,359
um it is even if someone is very very
diligent with the paperwork, it's very

2039
03:17:40,239 --> 03:17:47,760
easy to miss details that can make that
animal's life much better. And if you

2040
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:51,920
come to the front door, we're there to
help you. If you need help with a

2041
03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:58,800
wheelchair, with a pet, with a leash,
that's what we're there for.

2042
03:17:54,720 --> 03:18:04,880
I I appreciate that. Um I just know that
I don't know how much you know about

2043
03:18:01,479 --> 03:18:10,560
aging, but um there's um a phenomena
called sun downers. I'm very familiar

2044
03:18:07,279 --> 03:18:13,760
with it. And um they tend to sleep all
day and they're up all night. Although

2045
03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:19,520
it's kind of hard to tell in Alaska
anyway because in the winter it's kind

2046
03:18:16,399 --> 03:18:25,279
of all the same. Um, and I'm quite sure
that a lot of times these decisions get

2047
03:18:21,840 --> 03:18:29,760
made in those sundowner kind of hours.
Thank you,

2048
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:34,560
Commissioner.
Thank you. I have a a few questions. Um,

2049
03:18:32,239 --> 03:18:39,000
if I may, what's the projected life of
the building as it's designed so far?

2050
03:18:39,600 --> 03:18:49,120
Um, 50 years the standard practice.
Thank you. And uh see

2051
03:18:46,840 --> 03:18:53,120
here going back to the kennels a little
bit because I think I missed um

2052
03:18:50,920 --> 03:18:56,920
something for for some of the noise
control the panels between that are the

2053
03:18:55,840 --> 03:19:02,399
stainless
steel. Is there

2054
03:18:59,560 --> 03:19:08,080
anything between the the different
pieces of stainless steel? I know in

2055
03:19:05,120 --> 03:19:12,479
like the current shelter kennels, the
stainless steel walls have enough of a

2056
03:19:09,840 --> 03:19:17,200
gap that they just fill with like putrid
water from cleaning over the years. Um,

2057
03:19:15,760 --> 03:19:22,760
are there spaces like that in these
kennels that would need more drainage so

2058
03:19:19,279 --> 03:19:22,760
that doesn't happen?

2059
03:19:23,840 --> 03:19:34,160
Uh, I would say no. Uh, each kennel will
be independently drained and there's no

2060
03:19:30,640 --> 03:19:39,120
cross drainage between the kennels.
I mean, from from like washing the walls

2061
03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:43,520
and and spray from from the kennels
getting into like cracks between two

2062
03:19:41,439 --> 03:19:46,920
pieces of stainless steel and trapping
water has been an issue with the

2063
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:53,279
existing
um uh kennels. Yeah. Well, the modern

2064
03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:59,600
kennel designs have a minimum of that.
So, you never see them really with

2065
03:19:55,840 --> 03:20:03,600
spaces created and so there shouldn't be
a problem with that. And is there

2066
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:08,239
anything in there for noise
reverberation control between the

2067
03:20:05,279 --> 03:20:15,359
kennels? Seeing big pieces of stainless
steel just brings back my vet clinic

2068
03:20:10,880 --> 03:20:19,520
days with lots of large wobbly pieces of
stainless steel getting barked at all

2069
03:20:17,040 --> 03:20:23,680
day. Yeah. Well, I mean these these will
be better constructed kennels, but

2070
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:28,560
there's not much you can do inside the
kennels for noise mitigation.

2071
03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:33,040
And was the reason that the shotcrete
walls weren't gone with it was just a

2072
03:20:30,399 --> 03:20:37,680
budgetary concern? Budgetary. There was
on the website on Indigo's website, I

2073
03:20:35,279 --> 03:20:42,319
believe it does reference that the uh it
is the national standard for most

2074
03:20:38,960 --> 03:20:46,120
hygienic and durable lasts or costs less
than other methods of construction. And

2075
03:20:44,800 --> 03:20:50,399
so what makes this method of
construction less costly than the

2076
03:20:48,160 --> 03:20:56,560
shotcrete option? Well, it doesn't have
the concrete going up, just the curb. As

2077
03:20:53,279 --> 03:21:02,800
I mentioned earlier, the uh standard for
kennels and most cost effective is

2078
03:20:59,359 --> 03:21:08,520
referring to other full height masonry
kennels. So it' be concrete block coated

2079
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:15,760
or
um glazed vitrius block which is quite

2080
03:21:12,319 --> 03:21:22,319
expensive is another solution.
And is um there are local contractors

2081
03:21:18,560 --> 03:21:26,560
that do shot summer only um option but
is that any is that included in any of

2082
03:21:24,800 --> 03:21:31,680
the additional alternatives to do the
shotcrete walls? No.

2083
03:21:30,080 --> 03:21:36,319
I I think just to add a little bit I
think when we did uh the skate park we

2084
03:21:34,000 --> 03:21:40,239
did use shot but we had to bring a
contractor from the lower 48 for that. I

2085
03:21:38,640 --> 03:21:46,239
don't think there was someone who uh
either bid or was able to do that here.

2086
03:21:43,520 --> 03:21:49,840
Interesting. I wonder if um the local
companies just didn't bid for some

2087
03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:54,160
reason or maybe uh it is it does happen
quite often the local contractors cannot

2088
03:21:51,920 --> 03:21:58,880
possibly come in as a low bidder which
how projects are we do get a lot of

2089
03:21:56,160 --> 03:22:03,520
outside contractors that stuff for sure
and I had one more do you know the

2090
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:08,560
current square footage of the storage in
the new plan not including the inbuilt

2091
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:14,560
wall storage you mentioned that's like
dedicated kennel storage is awesome that

2092
03:22:10,720 --> 03:22:18,479
they have all that but maybe un
structured isn't the right word. Um not

2093
03:22:16,960 --> 03:22:24,160
defined what's going to be stored there
yet, but just storage space.

2094
03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:33,279
Um we can get you that square footage. I
will say that every um room through

2095
03:22:29,040 --> 03:22:40,080
either builtin or uh pieces of equipment
have been identified. There are

2096
03:22:36,120 --> 03:22:46,000
catalog pages of imagery that Dana has
walked through with Kimberly Sandy and

2097
03:22:43,520 --> 03:22:51,680
Dr. Pinto for every piece of equipment
and exactly where it fits and it's in

2098
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:56,720
our model and shown as a outline. So
everything is accounted for and been I

2099
03:22:54,720 --> 03:23:02,080
don't know how many pages the um
fixtures, furnishing and equipment is,

2100
03:22:58,399 --> 03:23:07,760
but there's a stack of the items that
are

2101
03:23:03,479 --> 03:23:13,279
specific and located in the building. So
thank you. Do you think that the the

2102
03:23:10,239 --> 03:23:16,880
square footage might be um the same or
more than the three ConX's worth of

2103
03:23:15,200 --> 03:23:20,800
storage that are referenced in the PNA
from 2017 that are on the current

2104
03:23:18,399 --> 03:23:26,520
property being used as storage? Um well
we still have those three conaxes on our

2105
03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:34,960
site. So um a comparison
of what is in there for

2106
03:23:29,880 --> 03:23:38,479
emergency services and needs is uh not
accounted for in the building. There's

2107
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:44,640
still some of that equipment outside in
the conxes and maybe Sandy would like to

2108
03:23:41,279 --> 03:23:50,160
speak or were you waving at me or just
so will they be use utilizing outdoor

2109
03:23:47,520 --> 03:23:54,279
unheated conx storage at the that's part
of the the new plan as well.

2110
03:23:57,680 --> 03:24:06,160
So the items stored in those conxes
wouldn't be appropriate to be stored in

2111
03:24:03,120 --> 03:24:11,200
the building itself. Those are items
that are dedicated for emergency

2112
03:24:08,479 --> 03:24:16,200
response for the most part. There is one
ConX that has shelter related items in

2113
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:23,200
it.
Um, but I have to admit, um, we can go

2114
03:24:20,319 --> 03:24:29,200
through that and narrow that down quite
a bit, I'm sure. Um, we tend to be on

2115
03:24:26,479 --> 03:24:35,439
the hoarding side of some things. So
when we move into a new facility, we'll

2116
03:24:31,680 --> 03:24:38,960
pair that uh that down.
Thank you. I I know in the PNA it was

2117
03:24:37,279 --> 03:24:43,120
one of the main concerns was lack of
storage at the current facility. Just

2118
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:49,120
looks from the design, just the areas
for storage look small, but thank you. I

2119
03:24:46,880 --> 03:24:52,120
appreciate the answers. Commissioner
Sherman,

2120
03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:59,920
if you could use your
microphone. Thank you.

2121
03:24:57,200 --> 03:25:07,359
It's okay.
Thank you. Um, so on the add-ons it says

2122
03:25:03,479 --> 03:25:11,520
humidification is an add-on. So can you
walk me through how

2123
03:25:09,399 --> 03:25:17,359
dehumidification is handled then
throughout the building to prevent mold?

2124
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:23,359
I I mean how because we even though
we're classified as a semierid region,

2125
03:25:21,120 --> 03:25:28,960
we have a lot of humidity in the winter
and people know about mold and it seems

2126
03:25:26,399 --> 03:25:34,160
like it could be problematic for animal
health and and particularly for the

2127
03:25:31,040 --> 03:25:41,760
health of the people working there. So
how will the removal of you know wet

2128
03:25:38,880 --> 03:25:47,960
water you know how will dehumidification
happen within the HVAC system?

2129
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,960
or whatever.

2130
03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:57,040
Um, we could supply you a narrative from
an engineer, our engineer specialist.

2131
03:25:54,720 --> 03:26:00,960
Um,
well,

2132
03:25:59,040 --> 03:26:04,640
that would be great. Well, yeah, I am an
architect, so I we could get that answer

2133
03:26:02,960 --> 03:26:10,479
to you though in writing so that it
could be u most accurate. What I can say

2134
03:26:07,439 --> 03:26:14,479
is that we have and do provide
humification in certain buildings. We

2135
03:26:12,399 --> 03:26:23,279
just did the child development center
out at Fort Wayne um for 400 kids um and

2136
03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:27,040
that was designed as a humanified
facility as a requirement. The surgery

2137
03:26:25,359 --> 03:26:32,640
addition also at the Fair Memorial
Hospital. So it's something that we have

2138
03:26:29,680 --> 03:26:39,160
done before and uh worked successfully
on um to create uh an envelope that

2139
03:26:37,439 --> 03:26:44,960
prevents the
mold in our assembly and through our

2140
03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:49,200
mechanical engineers as well with the
proper ventilation. We can provide that

2141
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:53,439
in the narrative to you. So it's so
that's already in the design. It's not

2142
03:26:51,279 --> 03:26:59,600
an add-on. Is that correct? I I guess
that's what I was confused by. Right.

2143
03:26:55,760 --> 03:27:04,319
It's a it's an additional um option
should the project go forward. We have

2144
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:08,479
designed for that system.
So we currently if we if they go ahead

2145
03:27:06,560 --> 03:27:13,239
and they don't they decide not to pay
for that. We don't have a humidification

2146
03:27:11,279 --> 03:27:19,160
it will be without
one. Would it be feasible economically

2147
03:27:16,479 --> 03:27:25,600
to put one in if we found that we needed
it? It seems pretty

2148
03:27:22,520 --> 03:27:29,600
basic to speak to that. Okay.
Thank you. And I have I promise I'll be

2149
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:33,359
as brief as I possibly can. I know other
people have to go to work in the

2150
03:27:31,120 --> 03:27:36,760
morning, too. So, I noticed there are a
lot of kennel spaces for quarantine

2151
03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:41,680
dogs. I'm
wondering if there are more than it it

2152
03:27:39,840 --> 03:27:47,279
seems to be more than is that the
existing shelter? Are there more dogs

2153
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:51,359
being held in quarantine now on any
given day? That's the first part of my

2154
03:27:49,680 --> 03:27:58,960
question. Are there more? It's a pretty
big quarantine space. So, um, are there

2155
03:27:55,840 --> 03:28:03,279
more dogs? Is it an upward spiraling
number? I know there's one another way

2156
03:28:00,560 --> 03:28:07,760
to say that. There also seems to be a
limited amount of kennel space for

2157
03:28:05,279 --> 03:28:14,640
puppies and these guys have spoken to us
many times about puppy pooas and um can

2158
03:28:11,840 --> 03:28:21,200
could this be relatively inexpensively
modified design-wise if needed or and I

2159
03:28:18,800 --> 03:28:25,600
know you talk about operational choices
but it seems to me that design and

2160
03:28:23,120 --> 03:28:28,840
operation go hand in hand especially as
you're beginning

2161
03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:42,640
I'll I'll start then and Kim can follow
up. Um all the room sizes and capacities

2162
03:28:39,920 --> 03:28:48,880
were excuse me part of the initial study
on the project. And so the quarantine

2163
03:28:45,840 --> 03:28:54,319
space in particular was an assessed area
for the amount of animals that would be

2164
03:28:51,520 --> 03:28:59,439
coming in particularly from the acco
side of things and some from the front

2165
03:28:56,479 --> 03:29:04,800
of uh front of house. So I don't have
the exact justification for that but

2166
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:10,399
that was calculation early in the design
for the project.

2167
03:29:06,800 --> 03:29:16,640
As far as the puppies go, we have one
room which is really a small animals

2168
03:29:13,600 --> 03:29:21,359
room and so there may be sometimes you
have puppies and maybe other animals. We

2169
03:29:18,640 --> 03:29:27,520
have eight caging in there for eight
puppies at the moment. There's uh always

2170
03:29:24,640 --> 03:29:32,319
a possibility of putting puppies in
kennel space. that's meant for adult

2171
03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:37,200
dogs and that would be used for any
additional uh needs that might that

2172
03:29:35,200 --> 03:29:42,239
might be faced right now. But I'm going
to let Kim carry on with that. We can

2173
03:29:39,760 --> 03:29:45,840
describe further. In our current
facility, we have eight quarantine

2174
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:52,239
kennels. Um they're frequently quite
full and we do have um quarantine

2175
03:29:49,439 --> 03:29:57,439
puppies also that are we usually house
in the puppy room. So, it's a little it

2176
03:29:55,520 --> 03:30:01,840
allows for a little bit of growth
compared to what we have now, but it

2177
03:29:59,200 --> 03:30:05,640
definitely is a need as far as the
amount of quarantine kennels.

2178
03:30:06,720 --> 03:30:13,920
Okay, Assembly Member Crass.
Uh, thank you. Um, you know, I want to

2179
03:30:11,920 --> 03:30:18,560
thank the gentleman with Indigo Hammond
and Miss Van Arsdale. uh you guys have

2180
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:25,040
done a tremendous job developing uh a
building that seems to be uh very close

2181
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:29,439
to exact fit at this point, 65% close uh
to the bureau's animal control mission.

2182
03:30:27,439 --> 03:30:33,920
Um I guess you know this is an
appropriate forum to ask this is kind of

2183
03:30:30,960 --> 03:30:37,040
an uncomfortable question. Uh, and so
it's for the administration and maybe

2184
03:30:35,760 --> 03:30:40,319
Miss Gardner, maybe the whole animal
control

2185
03:30:37,880 --> 03:30:45,920
commission. Is has there been any
thought to looking at the returning to

2186
03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:50,160
the original animal control mission of
rabies and

2187
03:30:47,720 --> 03:30:55,200
euthanasia? And what would be sort of
the practical and moral implications? I

2188
03:30:53,600 --> 03:30:58,680
guess practical for the administration
and looking to the animal control

2189
03:30:56,960 --> 03:31:04,479
commission, what are the ethical
considerations of changing the mission?

2190
03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:10,239
Um, it strikes me that that is the the
only real cost savings of any substance

2191
03:31:07,439 --> 03:31:14,880
to be found here is if we change what
we're doing as animal control. These

2192
03:31:12,160 --> 03:31:20,479
fine folks here have developed a system
that meets our needs uh quite well. Uh

2193
03:31:17,600 --> 03:31:25,520
seems to have been tailored to us uh
like a fine suit. Um so the only thing I

2194
03:31:23,359 --> 03:31:30,319
can think of is if we change the shape
of ourselves. uh and has that been

2195
03:31:28,160 --> 03:31:33,840
considered I guess to the administration
and what might some of the uh

2196
03:31:32,080 --> 03:31:37,080
implications of that be to the members
of the commission?

2197
03:31:37,600 --> 03:31:46,239
Um thank you Mr. Crass. In the
uh in the four and a half year out no we

2198
03:31:44,640 --> 03:31:51,680
have not looked at what that would look
like for from our perspective. I believe

2199
03:31:48,000 --> 03:31:55,960
that um we're not providing an entire
suite of surgeries. We're not offering

2200
03:31:54,479 --> 03:32:00,160
entire
um full spectrum of of services out

2201
03:31:58,880 --> 03:32:04,120
there. So, I I don't think we're
providing a lot in this community. We

2202
03:32:02,399 --> 03:32:12,000
have a
a decent private sector amount of um

2203
03:32:09,239 --> 03:32:16,399
uh veterinarian opportunities out there
and offices uh from North Pole all the

2204
03:32:14,239 --> 03:32:20,479
way through Fairbanks. Um but there are
shortcomings out there and if we wanted

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03:32:18,120 --> 03:32:28,479
to stop providing a lot of these
services, stop providing the

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03:32:24,000 --> 03:32:32,239
um the on-site uh spay and neuters as we
are are offering adoption are problems

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03:32:30,800 --> 03:32:36,720
would grow. If you're going to have to
do that through

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03:32:33,960 --> 03:32:40,080
the private sector, those costs would
increase if anybody's had to take care

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03:32:38,000 --> 03:32:43,840
of dogs to the after after hours animal
shelter, drop offs, things like that.

2210
03:32:42,080 --> 03:32:47,520
Those costs are astronomical for many
people which would result in, you know,

2211
03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:51,680
a lot more concerns and a lot more
problems out there. So um in terms of a

2212
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:55,920
community health concern, in terms of a
a community capacity and a compassion

2213
03:32:53,600 --> 03:33:01,520
compassion capacity, um we have not
looked at that. I that as I believe you

2214
03:32:58,960 --> 03:33:05,520
are correct, if we the space and ways we
would cut down on these costs without

2215
03:33:03,200 --> 03:33:08,880
providing a a well structured shelter
that we won't need to be having these

2216
03:33:06,800 --> 03:33:13,680
conversations for another 50 years, what
we do um is what we would need to to cut

2217
03:33:11,439 --> 03:33:17,120
down on. And um that is something that,
you know, we could look at and and a

2218
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:21,359
community might want to do. But if we
want to be a growing community that

2219
03:33:18,640 --> 03:33:26,560
provides a healthy um place for people
and animals of all types, I think what

2220
03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:30,760
we're doing would be the the minimum
that we should be doing right now.

2221
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:37,760
I I I would like to say a little Chair
Gardner, I've been on the commission for

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03:33:35,760 --> 03:33:44,160
about 20 years. There are several people
here been on the commission longer and I

2223
03:33:40,319 --> 03:33:49,200
can't recall anyone ever
uh complaining that the shelter was

2224
03:33:46,239 --> 03:33:55,840
providing too many services and I think
the community people that we hear from

2225
03:33:52,160 --> 03:34:00,800
they want more. I mean it's it you know
the in the industry and the societal

2226
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:06,640
approach to companion animals has
changed a lot in the last 20

2227
03:34:03,000 --> 03:34:13,359
years. I know working in animal rescue
and uh that spayneuter is

2228
03:34:10,359 --> 03:34:19,600
essential. You can't adopt your way out
of having too many animals. And you

2229
03:34:16,640 --> 03:34:23,439
know, we thoroughly support the animal
shelter being able to do spayneuters

2230
03:34:21,680 --> 03:34:29,359
right there. Gets them out of the
shelter so much faster. And we know for

2231
03:34:26,880 --> 03:34:32,960
sure that it happens. I mean, there have
been times in the past where, you know,

2232
03:34:31,200 --> 03:34:39,200
you would give them a voucher and they
would take the the adopted animal to the

2233
03:34:36,720 --> 03:34:44,960
a vet of their own and and I don't know,
get a $100 off or

2234
03:34:42,200 --> 03:34:48,399
something. It just didn't happen a lot.
People that are going to get their

2235
03:34:46,399 --> 03:34:52,760
animals spayed or neutered, they did it.
And the people that weren't, you know,

2236
03:34:50,720 --> 03:34:58,800
it didn't matter what you offered
them, it needs to be done ahead of

2237
03:34:55,040 --> 03:35:03,439
adoption. And I I mean we really support
that

2238
03:35:00,600 --> 03:35:10,080
uh what they have for surgery right now
is really a difficult situation and

2239
03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:14,960
needs to be changed.
Yes, I agree with Commissioner Gardner.

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03:35:13,200 --> 03:35:19,359
Um, I volunteer at a local spay and
neuter clinic and there's uh, even with

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03:35:17,439 --> 03:35:23,520
the shelter doing spay and neuters and
every vet clinic in town doing spay and

2242
03:35:21,120 --> 03:35:28,000
neuters, there's months long waiting
lists to get

2243
03:35:25,960 --> 03:35:31,200
animals spayed or neutered at the
clinics I volunteer at and the other

2244
03:35:29,279 --> 03:35:35,359
people that are involved in those
clinics do other spay and neuter clinics

2245
03:35:33,120 --> 03:35:39,359
all over the state. And I think if you
removed

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03:35:36,760 --> 03:35:43,439
um the the option for the shelter to
spay and neuter, it would be a a

2247
03:35:41,439 --> 03:35:47,200
detriment to our community. And I think
that everything that I've heard from the

2248
03:35:45,600 --> 03:35:51,439
community that I've talked about, I
talked to the community a lot about the

2249
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:55,600
animal control and the new shelter. And
people don't want less. Like

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03:35:53,840 --> 03:35:58,960
Commissioner Gardner said, they want
they want more. In this new facility,

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03:35:57,200 --> 03:36:03,200
there's a community room. Maybe there
could be classes for people to learn

2252
03:36:00,880 --> 03:36:07,359
responsible pet care.
There's a lot of opportunity in a new

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03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:11,200
shelter for our community to to grow and
have healthier relationships with pets

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03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:16,120
and the animals that live here. Um, just
want to make sure that for $33 million

2255
03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:20,800
we get the absolute best
designed new shelter that we can. I

2256
03:36:18,960 --> 03:36:26,479
don't know if any of the commission
members don't want us to be getting a

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03:36:22,960 --> 03:36:29,600
new shelter. We are all in in agreement
with animal control that the way that

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03:36:28,239 --> 03:36:34,399
they're working and operating currently
is completely unacceptable.

2259
03:36:32,640 --> 03:36:39,120
Thanks, Mr. Crass. You still have the
floor if you have anything further. No,

2260
03:36:36,479 --> 03:36:43,439
thank you. I I'd welcome if any other
commissioners have input on that. This

2261
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:49,720
is a very rare time for us get to
interface directly like this. Um

2262
03:36:45,760 --> 03:36:56,640
Sherman, um I second and third what they
say there. We ask these hard questions

2263
03:36:54,160 --> 03:37:01,120
because we've paid a lot of attention to
design. We've talked to lots of

2264
03:36:58,479 --> 03:37:04,960
different vets in town. People come up
to us and they say, "Does this mean this

2265
03:37:03,200 --> 03:37:09,120
this? Do we need this? This?" I said,
"You need to look at it and talk to it.

2266
03:37:07,040 --> 03:37:15,200
I can tell you what I think, but I don't
I'm not an engineer and I'm not an

2267
03:37:11,200 --> 03:37:21,040
architect, but like Cass said, we I I
agree with the things that they need

2268
03:37:17,560 --> 03:37:25,920
totally. And but we want to make sure
that it's as good as it can be for the

2269
03:37:23,200 --> 03:37:30,720
northern climate that it does last 50
years that there's enough flexibility in

2270
03:37:28,560 --> 03:37:36,080
systems like I forgot to ask about is
there an on-site vacuum setup already in

2271
03:37:34,160 --> 03:37:40,560
there because and having these things
that if if it's already set up with a

2272
03:37:38,319 --> 03:37:45,359
great egg and we can dehumidify and all
that stuff then we can add on as needed

2273
03:37:43,279 --> 03:37:48,800
or as not. It isn't that we don't want
it. We all desperately see what it

2274
03:37:47,279 --> 03:37:54,479
needs. We know what goes on with drop
off camels. We understand the whole

2275
03:37:52,239 --> 03:38:00,720
kurfuffle with that and we deal and
rescue. So, we want it, but we want what

2276
03:37:57,359 --> 03:38:08,239
is going to be optimum for the borrow,
for the public, and for the animals.

2277
03:38:05,680 --> 03:38:11,640
Uh, Mr. Swan, did you also have
something to add?

2278
03:38:11,840 --> 03:38:19,840
Yes, I do. And and I'll be very brief.
Um, Assembly Person Crafts, I believe

2279
03:38:17,520 --> 03:38:25,439
that the Assembly person who proposed a
strict public safety model um, such as

2280
03:38:23,040 --> 03:38:29,040
you uh, mentioned would be committing
political suicide in this

2281
03:38:29,479 --> 03:38:39,120
burrow. All
right, there we go. Okay. Um, so on my

2282
03:38:35,439 --> 03:38:42,640
list I have Haney, Rooney, and Swan. If
if Mr. Swan uh, you still wanted to be

2283
03:38:41,359 --> 03:38:47,359
in the queue or if you just wanted to
respond to Mr. CR I will ask members of

2284
03:38:45,279 --> 03:38:53,200
the body now to wrap up your comments.
So if anybody has Yes. Thank you. Okay.

2285
03:38:50,880 --> 03:38:57,279
Thank you, Miss Haney. Um nothing more
from you this evening then. And if

2286
03:38:55,040 --> 03:39:03,359
there's anybody else um who wants to
speak, I just ask that uh we wrap up our

2287
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:06,880
comments and questions. Uh so Miss Rudy,
thank you. Thank you. I'll be quick.

2288
03:39:05,279 --> 03:39:11,040
It's two parts, but they're the same
thing. Um I have only been on the comm.

2289
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:14,640
It's been less than a year that I've
been involved at all. And so this may

2290
03:39:12,960 --> 03:39:18,960
have been this is definitely before my
time. Was there a third party review of

2291
03:39:17,120 --> 03:39:26,800
the design ordered at some point that
just hasn't happened? And

2292
03:39:23,319 --> 03:39:29,800
why? Going to direct that to the
administration.

2293
03:39:30,000 --> 03:39:36,880
Um so in terms of the third party
review, um no we have not done a

2294
03:39:35,279 --> 03:39:40,560
specific design of it. We have the
experts who are following the

2295
03:39:38,479 --> 03:39:44,399
credentials for the ASV who have uh
national renowned work um and who have

2296
03:39:43,279 --> 03:39:49,279
put in the work and and the
understanding and the design to make it

2297
03:39:47,120 --> 03:39:55,279
um work with the animal shelter uh
standards across the country. We as I

2298
03:39:51,359 --> 03:40:00,160
said before we worked with um uh Dr.
Kate Hurley um who wrote the ASV

2299
03:39:57,920 --> 03:40:04,800
standards and was in or started uh
working on those and she was in

2300
03:40:01,840 --> 03:40:08,880
influential in these designs. Um and
then we had the experts here locally to

2301
03:40:06,720 --> 03:40:13,000
make sure that it's good for Fairbanks.
Um there are

2302
03:40:13,560 --> 03:40:22,319
um qu if you brought in a a we have did
not one of the reasons we didn't do a

2303
03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:26,160
modified um small third party review was
there were concerns about um if there'd

2304
03:40:24,479 --> 03:40:31,040
be a competitive bias or something like
that in the process. But um we have

2305
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:35,439
faith in in the experts as there their
credentials stand up the ASV standards

2306
03:40:33,120 --> 03:40:39,520
stand up um and the questions in here
given the the opportunity for the public

2307
03:40:37,359 --> 03:40:44,160
tomorrow also to weigh in once again uh
would stand up on their on their own

2308
03:40:41,279 --> 03:40:49,760
merits. Thank you. And then the second
part um would

2309
03:40:45,640 --> 03:40:54,239
be is there room in a $33 million budget
for something that would cost less than

2310
03:40:51,760 --> 03:40:58,239
half a percent of that budget which was
around what I've heard a third party

2311
03:40:55,920 --> 03:41:02,720
review would cost and are the parties
involved willing to allow for a third

2312
03:41:00,960 --> 03:41:06,560
party review um from a place like
learned design who's leading in the

2313
03:41:04,560 --> 03:41:11,520
nation with this sort of thing just to
do a design review on what we have so

2314
03:41:08,239 --> 03:41:14,160
far at 65 or at 95 not to take the
project from Indigo at all because

2315
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:19,800
they've done all of this work and it's
amazing work. But again, for $33

2316
03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:25,760
million, the
community is not going to get behind

2317
03:41:22,479 --> 03:41:30,800
this if it's not the it should be the
best that it can be. And anybody that

2318
03:41:28,399 --> 03:41:34,479
looks at it should that that third party
review should say that there's

2319
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:39,439
absolutely nothing to change if we're
going to spend $33 million on a project

2320
03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:44,000
like this. I just think that there there
should be room for for somebody else to

2321
03:41:41,760 --> 03:41:49,120
to weigh in. And so we get the best
thing we can for the community at that

2322
03:41:45,560 --> 03:41:53,040
price. Thank you,
Mr. Swan. Commissioner Swan, do you have

2323
03:41:51,200 --> 03:42:01,359
any uh did you still want to be in the
queue or are you No, I have nothing

2324
03:41:56,720 --> 03:42:01,359
more. Okay, great. Uh Commissioner

2325
03:42:01,960 --> 03:42:12,720
Gardner, I think your microphone needs
to come on. Yes, thank

2326
03:42:07,720 --> 03:42:18,080
um the the correct shelter medicine um
guidelines been mentioned several times

2327
03:42:15,200 --> 03:42:23,720
tonight and they are guidelines. They're
not code. They're not standard and they

2328
03:42:21,680 --> 03:42:27,600
don't operate
shelters. They're veterinarians that

2329
03:42:26,160 --> 03:42:34,000
work with shelters, but they don't
operate any shelters themselves. uh just

2330
03:42:31,399 --> 03:42:39,600
as just so you understand where they're
coming from. You know, they're that uh

2331
03:42:36,560 --> 03:42:45,800
using them as a as a consultant doesn't
negate the need to understand the local

2332
03:42:43,319 --> 03:42:51,279
issues.
Um and I guess my second question is um

2333
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:57,040
if the animal control commission still
has questions, how should we about the

2334
03:42:54,319 --> 03:43:01,680
design for Indigo or Betty'sworth or
public works? Uh what should we do with

2335
03:42:59,680 --> 03:43:06,239
those questions?
Thank you. Um I I believe that the

2336
03:43:04,239 --> 03:43:10,239
questions should be directed to the
administration. Is that correct? Um yes.

2337
03:43:08,640 --> 03:43:13,439
And of course tomorrow there's the open
house where you'll have an opportunity

2338
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:17,920
to talk to this uh design team
one-on-one as well as

2339
03:43:15,640 --> 03:43:21,359
um you can email them through us and
we'd be happy to work on it. I'm going

2340
03:43:19,439 --> 03:43:26,640
to stop you right there. Just remember
OMA for the assembly and the commission.

2341
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:30,080
No more than three commissioners from
the animal control commission can attend

2342
03:43:28,239 --> 03:43:35,920
that open house and no more than three
assembly members can attend that open

2343
03:43:32,319 --> 03:43:40,399
house tomorrow night because of
first come first serve on that basis but

2344
03:43:37,520 --> 03:43:44,960
our email is always open.
That answer your question. So direct

2345
03:43:42,560 --> 03:43:52,560
them to the mayor's office. Okay. All
right. Thank you. Okay. Uh Miss Wilson

2346
03:43:48,640 --> 03:43:55,760
and closing comments. Um, first of all,
first of all, just so you understand, if

2347
03:43:54,000 --> 03:44:00,640
somebody leaves, somebody can go in.
Yeah. So, you just might have to wait,

2348
03:43:58,720 --> 03:44:05,199
right, till somebody leaves. I guess a
question to the administration. I know

2349
03:44:02,560 --> 03:44:09,199
there's a different schedule for um
boards to be able to meet, but would it

2350
03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:12,800
be possible for the animal control
commission to be able to maybe have a

2351
03:44:11,040 --> 03:44:16,000
special meeting especially just on this
issue with all this additional

2352
03:44:14,560 --> 03:44:20,800
information so they would have an
opportunity maybe to put something

2353
03:44:18,319 --> 03:44:25,120
legally because it would be noticed um
together of their concerns or concerns

2354
03:44:23,359 --> 03:44:29,439
that have been alleviated because I know
that would be helpful to me because you

2355
03:44:26,960 --> 03:44:32,760
guys know so much more than I do and I
agree with you. I wish they would do the

2356
03:44:31,199 --> 03:44:37,760
other
$10,000 to make sure everything is done,

2357
03:44:35,439 --> 03:44:41,439
but more than that, I think having that
opportunity after taking all this in,

2358
03:44:40,000 --> 03:44:44,720
being able to come up with something
would I know definitely would be

2359
03:44:42,720 --> 03:44:50,880
helpful, I think, to to myself, if not
other members here. Madame Clerk, would

2360
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:54,560
you be able to weigh in on that?
The main issue if it if it's something

2361
03:44:52,640 --> 03:44:59,680
that needs to happen within this next
month, we just don't have any capacity

2362
03:44:57,199 --> 03:45:05,319
in the chambers at all. we are pretty
much booked up with what's going on in

2363
03:45:01,680 --> 03:45:05,319
April and May.

2364
03:45:06,319 --> 03:45:12,560
With that said, it's always a
prerogative of the commission to with

2365
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:17,359
through the chair to work with the
clerk's office and on a time that would

2366
03:45:14,960 --> 03:45:20,840
make sense for review for a special
meeting. Okay. Thank you. Because yes,

2367
03:45:19,600 --> 03:45:26,080
we the
commission this is the first we've seen

2368
03:45:22,960 --> 03:45:30,800
of these plans as well. So,
anything further, Miss Wilson? No, thank

2369
03:45:28,479 --> 03:45:36,000
you. Thank you. Anyone else? Any final
closing comments, questions, discussion?

2370
03:45:34,319 --> 03:45:41,279
Can I just point out one thing? I'm
sorry. Um, I will give uh an opportunity

2371
03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:45,520
for the project team to have any further
comments and so if uh if you'd like to

2372
03:45:43,359 --> 03:45:49,880
do that and closing comments, I'll
invite you over to a microphone and you

2373
03:45:47,600 --> 03:45:56,560
can do that right now. I'm sorry, Mr.
Crest. Um and and u Mayor Hopkins from

2374
03:45:54,960 --> 03:46:02,000
your administration or from the project
team, are there any final comments

2375
03:45:59,520 --> 03:46:04,720
um that you would like to offer? Um just
quickly, I want to thank the commission

2376
03:46:03,359 --> 03:46:08,720
for all the work and the care you guys
have done. Many of you been on these

2377
03:46:06,080 --> 03:46:13,199
commissions for many, many decades. Um
so thank you for always um caring about

2378
03:46:11,120 --> 03:46:15,840
the care of our animals across the board
and how they interact with our

2379
03:46:14,319 --> 03:46:20,560
community. So thank you all and for
coming here today and having the best

2380
03:46:17,840 --> 03:46:24,080
questions. um you know more than than
all of us on this side of the panel for

2381
03:46:22,479 --> 03:46:27,040
that matter. Um and thank you to the
design team for coming up here and I

2382
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:32,439
look forward to seeing you all again
tomorrow for another round as we work to

2383
03:46:29,520 --> 03:46:36,160
make sure um the people of of this
community understand the different

2384
03:46:34,319 --> 03:46:39,199
aspects of the project and feel a more
comfortable level for why things are the

2385
03:46:37,920 --> 03:46:42,880
way they are because we have wonderful
experts here who um put in a lot of work

2386
03:46:41,359 --> 03:46:47,279
on it and understand why we're doing the
things that we are. Thank you.

2387
03:46:45,279 --> 03:46:52,800
Dr. Pento, did you have something to
add? Just just a small thing just in um

2388
03:46:49,920 --> 03:46:57,840
response to the ASV is not the law. It's
not the law, but it is a baseline

2389
03:46:55,120 --> 03:47:01,680
standard of care and standard of care is
how they judge. For example, if I don't

2390
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:05,439
meet standard of care, I'm not qualified
to keep my veterinary license. So, if we

2391
03:47:04,000 --> 03:47:10,080
don't meet standard of care in the
shelter, then we're really not doing it

2392
03:47:08,160 --> 03:47:17,279
right.
Thank you for that. Uh Miss Pamale,

2393
03:47:14,960 --> 03:47:22,160
sorry. Sorry. I just want to thank my
team and thank you for this opportunity

2394
03:47:19,279 --> 03:47:26,640
tonight. Um our goal is always that
there are no surprises in our projects

2395
03:47:24,399 --> 03:47:29,920
that what you see when it's constructed
is exactly what you envisioned and what

2396
03:47:28,399 --> 03:47:35,520
your goals were for the project. So
that's why um we try to follow a process

2397
03:47:33,680 --> 03:47:40,479
following the burough's guidelines. So I
wanted to thank my team here including

2398
03:47:37,600 --> 03:47:45,199
Dr. Pinto and Sandy and Kimberly because
they are a valued member of this design

2399
03:47:42,640 --> 03:47:48,399
team and along with Leslie and Marco and
public works have made this a pleasure

2400
03:47:46,640 --> 03:47:51,600
to work with and we do look forward to
tomorrow and answering all your

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questions and I have my list of ones
that I couldn't answer myself but we

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will get that back through our channel
to make sure um there's no surprises and

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we're part of a successful project.
Thanks. Thank you. Um, can you remind us

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when what the um time is of the the
meeting tomorrow and where? 5:30 at

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Carlson Center Prow room. Okay. So, the
presentation starts at 5:30. We'll be

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there early and I'm sure we'll be there
late. The paper says Okay, great. And on

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behalf of the assembly, uh, thank you so
much to the animal commission for for

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being here this evening and for your uh,
thoughtful questions. and um what a what

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a neat experience we had today. So
really appreciated uh the opportunity to

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have this session with you all. Thank
you. Thank you. And at 9:08 the special

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uh joint work session of the Burough
Assembly and Animal Control Commission

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is adjourned.