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We're going to call this uh study

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to order. We have three things on the

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agenda tonight. Two reduction requests

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and our um visits here annual report. So

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the first reduction report request is

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301 North Court. I believe that's you

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Ed. You want to come up?

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>> Yeah, sure. Yep.

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» Thank you for letting me come to the

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study session. I really appreciate it. I

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think it was like five, six weeks ago, I

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sent a an email out about a bill that

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I'd received uh for 301 North Court. It

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was a $1,300 water bill.

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Normally runs no more than about $300.

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And I worked with the city on that. I

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had the city uh the meter guy come out,

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looked at it, the water department.

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There were no leaks. We couldn't find

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anything. And I'd already previously

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looked.

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So, this is a recurrent problem. and

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I'll come to the second phase of my

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request. But the first request is I'm

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asking for a reduction based on that

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$1,300 bill. It should not been more

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than $300.

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Um, when we did a thorough thorough

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search of it, we talked to all of the

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tenants, we could not find any leaks

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anywhere and my theory is because I do

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have a problem with the [snorts]

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homeless coming around pretty much all

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of the properties is that perhaps they

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went and turned on the spigot in the

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outside. So that's that's a theory. I

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don't know if it's true or not, but that

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would help to explain why we got that

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bill. So that's the first request. The

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sec should we deal with that now or can

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I just move on?

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>> Yeah, let's talk about that. So how much

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are you requesting?

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>> Well, I mean I [snorts] don't know. I

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mean, I'd like to get it down to 300

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bucks because that's what I normally

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pay. So that's what I'd like.

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>> So do you have any proof from previous

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times that you've had homeless come in

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and leave stuff on? Yeah, I definitely

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had proof cuz I I I could tell that they

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were in there. It's obvious. It's very

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obvious when they come in. They do weird

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things for one thing. And unfortunately,

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the basement has a walk-in basement that

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goes down to the washer and dryer that

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we might not. There's also a b second

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additional bathroom down there. They

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clearly had been in there. So, it's a

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problem.

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>> Can you lock it?

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>> Yeah. I mean, I tried it once and uh

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somebody took the lock off.

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I mean, I could talk for hours about

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what the homeless do in this town. Um,

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so I don't know what to tell you.

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>> Yeah.

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>> What questions, council, do you have

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regarding this request?

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» Did anybody from the city come out and

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see where the water had spilled in the

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yard?

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>> No, there was no, they came out and

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looked at the meter itself because I was

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concerned if the meter was defective.

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>> Mhm.

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>> And that's when I found out about this

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Metron system. So, I was very thankful

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that they did come out and looked at it,

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my exact meter, and they could not

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identify any problems with that meter.

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And, you know, again, we'll go into the

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next phase of it. What came out of all

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of this, but no, they couldn't find any

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leaks.

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>> There wasn't any proof that it went into

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the yard.

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>> There's no proof of any nature.

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>> Absolutely not. Um, it's a it's a

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hypothesis.

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So, the normal course, Ed, just so you

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know, is that if we have proof, I think

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the council is more inclined to be,

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what do I want to say, more open to a

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refund, but when we just don't know, we

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just don't know.

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>> Nobody knows. Yeah,

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>> I do know that I've paid over $5,000 in

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excess water bills over the last few

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years because there was no system that

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allowed me to find out that it was

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happening. And that is again the reason

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why the real reason why I'm here and

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talk about that.

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>> Okay.

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>> Which is actually a win for everyone, a

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win for the city.

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>> Well, the uh so why don't you uh go

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ahead and talk Oh, well, does anybody

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else have anything to say also?

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Questions? I have one thought

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[clears throat] and sometimes this gets

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brought to my office and ordinarily we

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try to aortion against

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uh the hose running outside or the

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spigot left on but not going into a city

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sewer treatment. Uh and usually that

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allocation works out to forgiveness of

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at least half because it's untreated

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sewer so to speak water. So, we probably

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could start by um considering the idea

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that he probably

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u would be reasonable in asking for at

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least a 1/ half reduction if it's the

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story with the hose outside running and

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not going down into our sewer and not

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going into treatment. Uh so, that's a

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starting point if that is the case. So,

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>> I will say that I did discover that the

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hose had been messed with. Absolutely.

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Someone had taken the hose off. I had it

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wrapped on this particular place and

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that had been unraveled, [clears throat]

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screwed out.

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>> Yeah. That usually though still leaves a

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higher water bill because if the hose

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was running and we were using city

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water, um $1,300,

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you might assume there's three or 400

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extra dollars of water run besides

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anything that would be on the side of

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sewer treatment. So, um, at that point

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it's a committee question, but there's

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probably the allocation question, too.

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And that's probably something he

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deserves a consideration on if that hose

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situation happened.

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any evidence of

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how much water might have gone out to

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the host?

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>> Only that I know what the normal bill

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is. It's no more than 300,

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>> So, it's relax and it, you know, even in

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people using a lot of the showering and

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I put in a soaking tub in one of the

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>> it does not exceed more than $300 in a

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normal month.

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>> So that's I mean I can show you the records

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on that,

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>> which still seems like a lot of money to

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me, but it's what it is.

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» So why don't you uh talk about your

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second request? Well, first of all, I

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think I mentioned in my first

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correspondence that I went to Aaron Ker

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many years ago with this same complaint

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that why, you know, I get these calls

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from the water department, Mr. Noise.

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We've detected, you know, they did the

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reading at the end of the month and I

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got these huge bills and it's all after

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the fact. I race out trying to find out

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what happened, but it's after the fact.

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And and that's why I and I had I'd asked

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him, can you look into these digital

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meter things? because I'd read about it

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and then I just got frustrated and let

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it go. So, the good news is when I had

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the the water department come over and

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look at my meter, he told me about these

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Metron meters and then I did a deep dive

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into the research and I found out that

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the city's already mandated these things

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all over the city and it's rolling them

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out. So, that's I want to congratulate

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you because that's a very intelligent

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thing to do as you know or you wouldn't

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have done it because it saves a lot of

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money for the city. you know,

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everything's done digitally and the main

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thing is it gives an alert if you're in

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this system. There's a waterfront system

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or something they call it. Anyway,

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there's a there's a particular uh system

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that you guys are using that enables um

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immediate notification to the land owner

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that there's unusual activity. So, the

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beautiful thing is all I'm at this water

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scope. It's an advanced meter data

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management system

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>> created by Metron. So, it connects

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Fairfield's mandated sewer meters to the

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utility department and the consumers.

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I'm sure I'm not the first landlord

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that's had this problem. The the

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residents have no incentive to get paid.

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They just their water is included in the

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bill. They have no incentive to let you

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know and they do not let you know.

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Rarely do they let you know and after

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the fact so that I'm screaming and

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running around trying to figure it all

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out. What this system does if if these metrons are installed in these

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multi-units,

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obviously what'll happen is it'll

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immediately notify the landlord and

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because he's the one that pays the

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money, he's the one that's going to run

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around and stop the leak. So, that's a

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beautiful system because it imposes

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responsibility where it can actually

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something can happen that will be good

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for everyone and you don't have these pe

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city doesn't have to pay for the water

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that goes down the sewer and all this.

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It just goes on and on and on. the

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landlords don't get these crazy bills

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that they have to try to impose on their

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tenants what they never can do. They

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just have to eat it. So that's that's a

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really beneficial thing. So again, it's

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already happening.

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Uh today I sent out a proposed

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resolution that and I actually sent it

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directly over I sent it to everyone, but

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I also sent it over to John particularly

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because it's my understanding that any

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resolution that goes through would have

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to be reviewed have a legal review. So,

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I sent it to John and I I got a bounce

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back that you're weren't in the office

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today, but that's fine. I don't expect

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anybody to do anything immediately on

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this anyway, but I did uh make a formal

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request and I think I sent three sets of

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emails out on all this. I don't know if

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everybody got them, but I I mean fully

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explaining everything I'm doing. I'm

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doing all my research and everything's

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right there. So, um, and there is a

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proposed resolution for the city to

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consider that all it would do, it would

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just recognize that the city, let's say

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I've got a sixplex and they install one

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main meter for that six flex, they're

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getting the benefit of six meters.

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[snorts] So, the the best bang for the

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buck is happening here and and again,

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you're imposing responsibility where

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someone can actually make a difference

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and will do it by the financial

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incentive to do so. So, the first meters

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that get installed should go out to

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these multi-units just from an economic

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standpoint. So, that's all I'm asking.

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for you to install these

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meters on and I will provide you with

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all of the addresses and that's what I'd

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like to have happen. I think it would be

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better. It would be really good for

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everyone involved. That's the basic

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proposal.

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>> Okay. Uh Doug, do you know the

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order in which we're doing

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[clears throat] installing right now? So

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right now they it the entire city is

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about $2 million. So what they're

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starting to do is they're doing area

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three and which is our largest area. So

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they're going to knock that out first

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and they and and you approved uh to

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purchase those meters already. I think

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that was $600,000. And those will go

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first. Uh they also council did pass a

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resolution um Ed's Ed's right. They did

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pass a a resolution that as we go

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through this is such a large project and

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cost so much money that we just can't

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afford to do the whole city because we

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want to. Um

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but if you want to jump the line and go

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ahead of that, they can they can pay to

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have that. It's like 400 bucks a meter.

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$450 a meter. It's in a water bill. Um I

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just got this in mind today. Um that

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when I opened it, but uh so that's

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there. And if this the council would

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like to do something different, then

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that's fine. But that's the plan. We're trying to get the whole city

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because you're not wrong at at all. So,

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um it will be beneficial not only for

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the property owners, but for the city as

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well.

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>> And you mentioned that a couple of the

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in section three, which I'm not even

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really sure.

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>> I think he's gotten to We'll be getting

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two soon.

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>> Oh, really?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Is that uh Do you know which addresses

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those are for? I think just West Adams

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>> is in area three.

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>> West Adams.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Is that in three?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> What about 503 West [clears throat]

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Broadway? That's just two blocks up the

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street.

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>> Burlington on down.

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>> Okay. South of Burlington.

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>> That'd be a start because I've had major

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bills there.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So, we're working on as fast as we can

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because we want them in too. I'm just

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what I'm and I understand that voluntary

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thing.

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>> What I'm asking for is to recognize the

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intelligence of prioritizing that's why

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have the resolution in there

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>> to prioritize where the money is best

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spent

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>> and that is on the multi-units. It just

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makes sense.

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>> It just makes sense to do that for

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everyone.

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So, council, do you want to have the

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water and sewer committee look at that

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option

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or look at, you know, we can put it on

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the study session next time to look at

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that as well since he's emailed that

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out. Uh, I would say that's one thing we

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could do either study session or

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committee

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>> and bring in uh Steve from the water

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department, have us talk to us about it,

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understand what what that works in terms

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of the economics.

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>> Yeah. I mean, the other thing is that,

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you know, just sitting here listening to

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Ed, it seems like there's not,

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it appears that there's not will to

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provide a reduction because we don't

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have any proof. Maybe you would be

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willing to go ahead and have these

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installed at his properties to kind of

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do a compromise. Didn't you just say,

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Doug, that you can uh jump the line, so

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to speak, if you pay an additional fee?

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How much is it? Something like

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>> The meters are $450.

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>> He's got two of them that are 5/8 meters

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and two of them that are inch. So, the

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four that are not in area 3

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>> would be $2,530.98.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> Oh, they're larger meters.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't know that.

382
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>> Two of them are larger. Yes.

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>> Yeah.

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So, I mean, you know, maybe you

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want to do something

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>> related to that. I don't know. I'm just

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throwing it out as a potential option,

388
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but I think there should be more

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discussion.

390
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>> Sure. I mean, there is a way.

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Apparently, there is a way to have those

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installed sooner rather than later

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because there's a cost to it. You want

394
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>> No, I understand that, Paul. And what

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I'm saying is if the city wants to get

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the biggest bang for its buck,

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>> it makes sense spending it

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>> so people like me don't have to keep

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coming back to you and begging for some

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relief. And and again, it will stop the

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problem that is ongoing all over the

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city because we have the incentive to

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stop the leak and we'll have the

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knowledge of the leak. Right now, we

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don't have the knowledge of the leak.

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So, all I'm saying is you're doing it

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anyway. You're rolling this all out. The

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resolution that I propose recognizes the

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intelligence of putting your money where

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you get the greatest benefit.

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>> Do you understand that you can have your

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these meters installed now? It's just

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going to cost you. Are you willing to do

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that?

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>> I understand that. But like like you

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said, it's already happening. It's going

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to happen anyway.

418
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>> Right. So what I'm saying is

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>> that will take some time, but you can

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have it done soon if you want.

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>> Do you?

422
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>> I want it done tomorrow, but that's not

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the point. Point is, if the city's going

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to be doing it anyway,

425
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>> which they are. It's been mandated.

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>> Why not be intelligent and use the money

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where you get six times the benefit of a

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one meter? That's all I'm saying.

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I I don't have the numbers in front of

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me, but it seems to me we have a lot

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more homeowners request for water

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reductions than we do business requests

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for water reductions.

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Um

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I have a problem prioritizing

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businesses over homeowners.

437
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>> Can I say something?

438
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>> Sure.

439
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>> The homeowners obviously have their own

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incentive to keep track of whether

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there's a running toilet in their house.

442
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It's right in their house. They can look

443
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at it. They see it every day.

444
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>> Yeah. But

445
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>> I can't get inside those apartments.

446
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[snorts]

447
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>> I cannot get inside those apartments

448
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legally

449
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>> during the month unless I find out that

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there's a leak problem. And I don't find

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that out because I'm not involved in

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this in the system.

453
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>> But there are a lot of leaks when people

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aren't home are gone, you know, for a

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period of time. There are a lot of leaks

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in toilets that you you don't

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>> problem all over the place. But I got

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six times that for one unit.

459
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>> That's what I'm saying.

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>> Six times. I'm just saying I would have

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a problem with that myself by

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prioritizing that over homeowners. So

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that that's me.

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>> Yeah.

465
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>> Okay. Well, um do you want more

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discussion at a water sewer committee?

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Do you want to contemplate it over the

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next [clears throat] week and bring it

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back to study session? What do you

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what's your pleasure?

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>> Well, since I'm on the water committee,

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it seems to me that this is a pretty

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straightforward thing that we have a

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plan. It's prioritized. If Ed you want

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to jump the line then that will be the

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cost.

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>> Didn't view it.

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>> It seems it seems fairly straightforward

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to me.

480
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>> Okay.

481
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>> Weeks ago about how long ago

482
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>> I don't remember. There's a reason why

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the citizens come forward because

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sometimes they have thought it out

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deeper than the city has in previous

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resolutions. I've explained to you the

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economic advantages to the city to look

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at this possibility and I would ask you

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to do so. That's it.

490
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Okay.

491
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>> Anything else?

492
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>> Okay. So, it will be uh on an action

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item on the council tonight. So,

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>> y

495
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>> Okay. Uh next reduction request is for

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1204 Lake View Drive.

497
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Do we have about this one?

498
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>> So, we just had the request that a hose

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had been left on and was discovered. Um

500
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our sewer department went and did an

501
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inspection. They could see where the

502
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hose was connected. It had divided into

503
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other hoses using a splitter connector

504
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and they could see where the soaker

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hoses hoses were and the landscaping the

506
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surrounding yard had been saturated with

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it.

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Okay,

509
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any questions on that council?

510
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If not, again that will be on the that's

511
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a action item from the council meeting.

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Um, let's move on to this Fairfield

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annual report.

514
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» Good evening, council. You have in front

515
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of you a black binder.

516
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This has all of your tourism goodies in

517
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it. Um, you will find in there our

518
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visitors guide, some restaurant guides,

519
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some different things that we put out

520
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for the public and also mail out to

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interested individuals. Um, you'll also

522
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find some articles that we have been

523
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producing over the last year that have

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gone in various magazines as well as the

525
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little cards for our uh, passports. So,

526
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we have two that were created this year.

527
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Uh, one the history tour was created by

528
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our interns as part of our 250th

529
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celebration. did an indepth research on

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the history of Fairfield, created this

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passport so people can go to the various

532
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locations, learn about the history, and

533
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then earn our stickers that had things

534
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to do with Fairfield's history. And

535
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we're getting very good response on

536
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this. Um, we had one woman who comes in

537
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almost daily to get her new sticker that

538
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new place she's been. And then, of

539
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,039
course, we have the off-the-wall art

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tour. So we took an inventory of the

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public art that we have um and created

542
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,280
uh this tour. Um we also reward people

543
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,840
for doing this. So we commissioned Jenny

544
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,799
Sammons to create to offer us her design

545
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,679
in a poster form. So if you go to so

546
00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:41,679
many places and check in then you will

547
00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:43,919
get that poster as sort of a reward for

548
00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:46,080
having looked at all the different art

549
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,480
pieces.

550
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,360
Uh you'll also find in there um a little

551
00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:54,960
blurb about our new t-shirt line. So we

552
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,679
have a line of shirts that we created,

553
00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:59,679
some with some branding, some with just

554
00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:03,360
kind of Fairfield stuff on it. Uh the

555
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,120
proceeds from the sale of these shirts

556
00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:06,880
is going to go toward the public art

557
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,280
installation that we've been working on.

558
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,320
So um just encourage you to like see if

559
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:13,440
you find something that you want to

560
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,789
sport around.

561
00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:17,520
Correct.

562
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320
>> The other piece that you have is the

563
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,640
annual report itself. Uh this gives you

564
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,039
some numbers, some economic impact of

565
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,440
what's happened with tourism this year.

566
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,240
Um some of the numbers as we've talked

567
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,640
about in the past are some of our

568
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,280
economic numbers actually are from the

569
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,400
calendar year of 2024

570
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,120
because our 2025 data does not come out

571
00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,159
for another week. So, I need to push my

572
00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:45,679
report back a little bit so we can get

573
00:22:45,679 --> 00:22:48,240
that data in. But, um, the other numbers

574
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,280
are from fiscal year 26. So, you can see

575
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,840
the visitor traffic that we're seeing,

576
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,240
uh, happening. We do like to see that

577
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,320
our overnight stays are staying up

578
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,159
there. We were starting to notice a

579
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:02,240
trend where the day trips were sort of

580
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,640
overcoming our overnight stays, but we

581
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,400
in the long run, what we saw the final

582
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,080
numbers is that our overnights were

583
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,159
staying in at a very nice number. partly

584
00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:14,159
thanks to some of our Airbnbs that are

585
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,240
in town that are seeing a a pretty big

586
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,200
surge in traffic.

587
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,559
They're kind of helping to make up for

588
00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,600
um our need for some hotel space. And

589
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,440
obviously, some visitors actually prefer

590
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,320
that experience. Um, and that's one of

591
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,919
the reasons that in the next coming

592
00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:33,760
year, we're going to be working with our

593
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,400
Airbnb hosts a little bit to make sure

594
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,799
that they have access to the information

595
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,799
we have that they greet when they greet

596
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:42,559
their visitors and offer information to

597
00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,880
the visitors, they know exactly and

598
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,640
immediately where to send them for

599
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,280
different experiences.

600
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,799
On the second page, you will obviously

601
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,600
see the investment um that the city has

602
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,919
made in tourism through the hotel motel

603
00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:58,240
tax collection as well as our budget and

604
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,470
how we disperse those funds.

605
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,440
The next page really shows you kind of

606
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,120
what we're doing. We're creating a

607
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:11,039
demand. Um, we actually think some

608
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:12,480
people think that we're largely a

609
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,799
marketing organization and we are to a

610
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,799
certain extent, but we're also

611
00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,360
developing a demand for Fairfield. We

612
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,279
want people to see us as a place of

613
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:22,880
interest and a place to come. And I

614
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,640
think that's one of the most exciting

615
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,200
things is when I have travel writers and

616
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,360
individuals come to visit, they're

617
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,039
fascinated with the area. There's

618
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:32,640
something that they haven't experienced

619
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,200
before. We're all used to being here,

620
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,200
seeing the same restaurants, the same

621
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,440
streets, the same things, but when other

622
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,799
people come here, they're seeing

623
00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,720
something different. And we're

624
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,000
developing more and more of those

625
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,919
stories with our itineraries and giving

626
00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,880
them more of those experiences.

627
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,200
And of course, obviously, we want to uh

628
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,120
connect all those uh visitors to the

629
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,039
businesses in town, which is why we've

630
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,440
created a lot of our itineraries

631
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,159
um for small bites tour. For example, I

632
00:25:00,159 --> 00:25:01,840
actually had a group of ladies come from

633
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,240
Fort Madison and they wanted to just

634
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,000
have little bites of food from all kinds

635
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,440
of restaurants. So, we developed this

636
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,279
tour for them to just go and have

637
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,600
falafhils here and have samosas here and

638
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,799
that sort of thing. And they had a

639
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,720
delightful afternoon and we were stuffed

640
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,440
afterwards.

641
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,440
I'd give you a little idea of what we're

642
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,120
working on and where things are moving

643
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,360
forward.

644
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,679
Um, we're looking into more self-guided

645
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:27,360
experiences, more things with our

646
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,480
passports, but also

647
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,919
we're looking at how we're going to

648
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:34,799
extend those visits, and that can be in

649
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,760
with different partnerships. Um, one of

650
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,440
the things that we're planning for the

651
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,440
coming year is actually an esports

652
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,200
tournament. We're partnering with

653
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,279
Marshalltown on this that has a very

654
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:51,360
robust program and hopefully hopefully we're hopefully developing a

655
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,279
tour. So, it'll be an actual tour that

656
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,840
you go from cities to city and we have

657
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,360
seven cities that we're going to involve

658
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,200
and that's going to be really cool and

659
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,679
we want Fairfield to be part of that.

660
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,360
We're looking to strengthen our lodging

661
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:06,640
connections. That has to do

662
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,720
predominantly with our Airbnbs, but also

663
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,720
working with our hotels on their

664
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,279
marketing strategies and how they can

665
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:15,440
become more relevant instead of just

666
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,600
saying we have a discount on a room

667
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,559
saying this thing is happening and if

668
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:22,400
you're coming for that then we want to

669
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,080
reward you by offering you a discount.

670
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,679
It's a very subtle thing but it makes a

671
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,960
big difference to the consumer.

672
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,400
We also are looking at building a um

673
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,039
tourism academy. Uh this will be for the

674
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:36,880
general public, but eventually will go

675
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,559
into creating [clears throat]

676
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,960
a group of individuals that we can use

677
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,279
to train for group tours and things like

678
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,400
that. But it's really a great way to

679
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,640
develop community pride. What What do we

680
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,480
already have here? What do you not know

681
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,880
about your community? Every time I put

682
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
things out, first of all, I go and study

683
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,279
something and I realize that all the

684
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:58,640
time I've lived here, I didn't know

685
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720
these things were happening. I run into

686
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120
more and more people who are surprised

687
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,559
about the things that we have in this

688
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,039
community. So, it'll have a little bit

689
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:09,679
of that happening to it. And we're also

690
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:12,640
looking at developing a new meetings and

691
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,120
group program. In the past, we've been

692
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,679
sort of holding back on that meetings

693
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,919
market simply because we haven't had the

694
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,880
hotel space. Well,

695
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,919
still working on that hotel space, but

696
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,840
what we're going to do is move forward

697
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,400
with daytime meetings, recruiting those

698
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,760
daytime meetings, those smaller

699
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,840
meetings, and then offering them

700
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,240
>> an overnight experience that maybe only

701
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,000
some of their group stays for. So,

702
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,440
something very unique and interesting

703
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,360
that they would find interesting and to

704
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:43,279
get a a unique experience. So we're

705
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,760
working on that program as well as we're

706
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,880
also um coming to the conclusion of our

707
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,200
website development.

708
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,880
One of the things that's obviously

709
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,320
happening is the whole AI um search

710
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,039
findability and our website is being

711
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,480
completely redone. Look, structure

712
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,559
content everything is being redone so

713
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,440
that we are AI findable as well as being

714
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,240
human friendly. So we've been working on

715
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,600
that for some time. and that is going to

716
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600
roll out has to be done by the end of

717
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,360
the year to fulfill our our grant

718
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:18,799
requirements. Um in addition to that uh

719
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,279
we'll be doing some revamping of our

720
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,039
social media programs and our marketing

721
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,440
plan. Social media is also changing

722
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,360
tremendously and we're finding that

723
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,960
consumer is going to different places

724
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,200
and looking in different ways to find

725
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,440
places to travel. Travel is still

726
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,039
expected to be at a robust level for at

727
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,720
least another year, assuming those gas

728
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:41,919
prices don't go [laughter]

729
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:44,159
really, really high. Um, but right now,

730
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,159
people are prioritizing travel even if

731
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,159
they have to give up something else.

732
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,240
That is the current sentiment. That will

733
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,399
probably change in a year, but we're

734
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:54,880
going with that for right now. So, with

735
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,600
that, are there any questions, comments?

736
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,799
>> Really [clears throat] impressive,

737
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,240
Terry. really really impressive and

738
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640
we'll um have some thoughts. We'll have

739
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,480
a cup of coffee and talk about them.

740
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,679
That's great.

741
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:12,159
>> Absolutely. We'll be starting to um

742
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:14,159
either revise or redesign our visitors

743
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,919
guide here in the next couple of months

744
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,600
so that we're prepared for next year.

745
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,760
Right now, our visitors guide is placed

746
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,159
in hotels along Highway 80 and all

747
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:24,590
travel centers throughout Iowa. So, we

748
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:26,320
[clears throat] get that out uh for

749
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,320
people to pick up randomly wherever they

750
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,520
might be.

751
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600
>> Thank you, Terry. But who was doing the

752
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,679
website update?

753
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:36,000
>> Uh we have a company out of Austin,

754
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,039
Texas that's doing it.

755
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,320
>> Sorry, you mentioned that.

756
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:38,720
>> Yes,

757
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,440
>> I know. I you you bring us such a wealth

758
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,159
of information. Uh I always feel a

759
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:45,840
little bit of miss. I'm I'm listening to

760
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,200
you and also looking at the report at

761
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,600
the same time. I feel like I'm doing two

762
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
things at once. It's tough for me to do

763
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,440
one thing at once. Is there a way maybe

764
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,960
you could have some of the report, let's

765
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,039
say the annual report delivered to us at

766
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,960
least a week or a week before and just

767
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,240
let us know? That's what I'd like to be

768
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,760
able to look at possibly more closely.

769
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:02,080
>> Yeah.

770
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,520
You could slip in our box and just

771
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,120
email us and say it's there. Otherwise,

772
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,799
I find myself looking at this and I have

773
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:08,399
questions, but I only have one chance

774
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:09,440
and that's now

775
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,919
>> and I don't always more chances. I'm

776
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:13,919
just a phone call away. And I love to

777
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,679
talk about this stuff. I just don't want

778
00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,600
to bore you. So, if you want to talk

779
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,480
more,

780
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:18,960
>> give me a call.

781
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,080
>> I don't know where you live, right?

782
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,679
>> Yeah. Yeah. If you could slip some of

783
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:23,039
this get some of this reported to us

784
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:24,640
before the meeting before.

785
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,039
>> Sure.

786
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,640
>> That'd be helpful. I appreciate it.

787
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,919
>> And I encourage people to get their

788
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:29,919
t-shirt. get a t-shirt.

789
00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:30,640
>> I'm gonna

790
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,240
>> Thanks for doing a baseball shirt.

791
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,000
>> You're very welcome. That was that was

792
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080
the mayor's request. We do take

793
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,679
requests. I plan to change these out

794
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,760
from time to time. So, take a look at

795
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:40,640
what's in there.

796
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,799
>> Is your phone number or anything else?

797
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:47,679
>> Um, it should be on the Ander report,

798
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:56,880
but might not be.

799
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,750
See, I'm the visitor's guy.

800
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,640
We we oftentimes get a lot of spam calls

801
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,559
on our phone. So, I I might have a

802
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,159
block, a mental block of giving out my

803
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:10,960
phone number. Um, you can reach us at

804
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,679
472-2828.

805
00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:14,320
>> What?

806
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,960
>> Very easy. 2828.

807
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,000
>> 472.

808
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,919
>> Mhm.

809
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,039
>> 2828.

810
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,470
>> Yes.

811
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,760
Perfect. Thank you for your time.

812
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,480
>> Thanks, Terry.

813
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,520
>> Thank you, Terry.

814
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,360
>> So, that concludes the study session.

815
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,360
We'll take a two-minute break. At 7:05,

816
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,799
we'll come back and start the regular

817
00:31:34,799 --> 00:35:17,430
council meeting. Thank you.

818
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,079
Okay,

819
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,720
>> I'll [snorts] call the meeting to order.

820
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:23,839
Please call the roll.

821
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:24,320
>> Row,

822
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:24,720
>> here.

823
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:25,520
>> Thompson,

824
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,920
>> here.

825
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,480
>> Two Hill,

826
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:26,800
>> yes.

827
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,359
>> Gandandy,

828
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:27,680
>> yes.

829
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:28,400
>> Ferguson,

830
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,520
>> yes. [clears throat]

831
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,280
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Council, is

832
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,040
there any uh changes to the agenda?

833
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,119
Anybody have anything?

834
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,800
Not. We will move on to the consent

835
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,800
agenda. Approval of the minutes of the

836
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,960
September 24 September 14th, 2026

837
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,520
council meeting. Approval of September

838
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,920
25th, 2026 payroll in the amount of

839
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,910
$164,4352.

840
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,240
Acceptance of Arbor committee minutes.

841
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,760
Acceptance of the airport committee

842
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,160
minutes. Acceptance of the library board

843
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,640
minutes. Resolution of employment in the

844
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,880
police department. Resolution of

845
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,799
employment in the water department

846
00:36:04,799 --> 00:36:06,560
[snorts] approval of total claims in the

847
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,069
amount of $780,585.

848
00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,440
We had two claims more than 75,000. One

849
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,440
to Krishnner Contracting to the fire

850
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,750
station $561,211.90

851
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,760
and one to EBS for our health insurance

852
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:31,829
premium in the amount of $79,727.

853
00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:33,599
Move to approve.

854
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:34,240
>> Second.

855
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,920
>> Okay. Moved by Gandandy, second by

856
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,000
Tuhill to approve the consent agenda.

857
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,839
Any questions?

858
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:41,280
>> I did review claims and everything

859
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,320
seemed in order.

860
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,720
>> Okay.

861
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,320
Please call the role.

862
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,960
>> Gandandy,

863
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,200
>> yes.

864
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,760
>> Tuhill,

865
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,079
>> yes.

866
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:48,800
>> Ferguson,

867
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,200
>> yes.

868
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:49,760
>> Thompson,

869
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,079
>> yes.

870
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:50,640
>> Ro,

871
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,920
>> yes.

872
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,320
>> Okay. We have no public forum uh and

873
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,359
appearances. I would like to mention uh

874
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:02,079
Mr. Paul Glossup did deliver a a

875
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:03,440
some communication to the council

876
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,520
members before the meeting and so this

877
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,200
will be something they can review and uh

878
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,400
discuss at some point.

879
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:10,800
>> Thank you.

880
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:11,760
>> Okay.

881
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,839
>> Is it appropriate to ask to put this on

882
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,560
the council meeting for two weeks time

883
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,280
>> or should I get some feedback from Doug

884
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:19,599
maybe?

885
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,280
>> Yeah. No. Uh we can talk about it and

886
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,119
maybe we'll do the study session I

887
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,680
think. Um,

888
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,200
>> yeah, and then we can give you kind of

889
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,640
an update of where we're at with all of

890
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,760
this, too.

891
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,359
>> So, okay. So, yeah, let's put this on

892
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:33,680
the study session. That'll be good.

893
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,079
Thank you. Um,

894
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,520
resolution, action items, and

895
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,920
ordinances. The first action item again

896
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,599
is the consideration of reduction

897
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:44,160
request for 301 North Court Street and a

898
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,920
water meter request. We did hear about

899
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,440
this in the study session. Um,

900
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,040
so, council, what how do you want to

901
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,200
move forward on this? Is there a motion

902
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,280
to approve? Uh well, let's take these

903
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,599
things one at a time. Uh the reduction

904
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,839
request for 301 North Court. Is there

905
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:04,079
any um motion to approve? And for what

906
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,630
amount?

907
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,480
» I know I'm not the longest standing

908
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,920
member of council. I think I'm close,

909
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,079
but as long as I've been on council, I

910
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:15,760
don't think we've ever red ever had a

911
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,960
reduction um that we've honored that

912
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,640
didn't show proof or somebody from the

913
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,839
city come out and

914
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:22,160
>> Okay.

915
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,440
>> and prove that it didn't go down a

916
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,920
drain.

917
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,640
>> Okay, great.

918
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,800
>> So, um I hate to set a precedent where

919
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,000
we start saying, "Well, they said it

920
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,359
didn't, so it didn't, you know, type

921
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:29,760
thing."

922
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,160
>> Yeah.

923
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,839
>> And I'm not calling anybody dishonest at

924
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:34,320
all. I just I I don't want to start that

925
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,520
go down that road, I guess.

926
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:36,720
>> Sure.

927
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,640
>> Yeah. That's my that's my feeling.

928
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640
>> Okay. So, we'll take no action on that.

929
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,470
Um, and the water meter request.

930
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,680
» That's another one I think we've kind of

931
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,359
spelled out if they want a meter and I

932
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:50,640
know people have purchased meters

933
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,280
already for various areas. Um, you know,

934
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,720
I don't know if we want to go back and

935
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,160
have to start refunding all them because

936
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
we are letting people pick and choose

937
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,560
when they want them. Um, and as far as

938
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,400
prioritizing a business over over a

939
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880
homeowner, I just I I have an issue with

940
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,839
that, too. So, so, um, he's he's more

941
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:08,720
than welcome [clears throat] and he

942
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:09,839
doesn't have to purchase. I think you

943
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:11,599
said it was over $2,000 for all that. He

944
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:12,960
doesn't have to purchase all of them. He

945
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,320
if there are certain units that he's

946
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,079
having issues with, he can purchase one

947
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,240
meter, you know, um

948
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,760
>> he's not required to do all of them.

949
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,200
It's it's pick and choose.

950
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,000
>> Yeah,

951
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,280
>> seems reasonable. Okay,

952
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,480
>> my my thoughts.

953
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,480
>> Okay, great. Thank you. So, no action on

954
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,680
that as well. Um next action item is

955
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
consideration of redu reduction request

956
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,119
for 1204 Lake View Drive.

957
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:36,480
That would seem pretty straightforward

958
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,560
to me. If there's physical evidence of

959
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,800
saturation and you can see what it is,

960
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,280
uh I I think there's good reason to

961
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,800
approve that.

962
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,079
>> Okay. You want to make a motion?

963
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,960
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

964
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,440
reduction request for 1204 Lakeview

965
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,160
Drive.

966
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,680
>> Okay. Is there a second?

967
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,829
>> Um I'll second.

968
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:04,320
» Okay. Any discussion? Well, I had one

969
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,839
question. The person that signed that

970
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:07,920
was a city employee. Okay. All right. I

971
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,960
just I didn't recognize the name right

972
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,720
away, so I just want to make sure. Okay.

973
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:12,000
>> All right.

974
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,800
>> So, uh, it's been moved and seconded to

975
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,640
approve the reduction request for 1204

976
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,720
Lake Drive. Please call the RO.

977
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:19,440
>> Ferguson,

978
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:19,839
>> yes.

979
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:20,400
>> Tuhill,

980
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:20,800
>> yes.

981
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,200
>> Ro,

982
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:21,599
>> yes.

983
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:22,160
>> Thompson,

984
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:22,480
>> yes.

985
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:23,280
>> Gandandy,

986
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,240
>> yes.

987
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,720
>> Okay, that was approved unanimously.

988
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:28,640
Next action item is consideration to

989
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,720
purchase a brush truck in the fire

990
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,599
department. uh this amount, correct me

991
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,359
if I'm wrong, Brett, but I think I did

992
00:40:35,359 --> 00:40:37,839
read $299,500.

993
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:41,200
This is for a 2024 Ram 5500. And my

994
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,760
understanding is we're using uh money

995
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,839
that we have saved where we put money

996
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:48,240
back every year towards firet trucks.

997
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:51,119
And Brett, anything else you want to add

998
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,480
to that for the council of the public's

999
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,040
purpose?

1000
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,720
>> I guess I don't have a lot to add. I

1001
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,240
mean, it's been talked about about a

1002
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:01,520
couple of our trucks needing to be

1003
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,119
replaced.

1004
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,760
Um, our current brush truck was built in

1005
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,480
99. Um, it's uh had a few issues in the

1006
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,960
last couple years with overheating and

1007
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,720
some other issues with the tank leaks

1008
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,599
and um the truck that we're wanting to

1009
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,480
purchase is more of a modern wildland

1010
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,359
truck. I mean, our brush truck unit 13

1011
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:24,800
and last 5 years has rolled out the

1012
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,359
station 539 times.

1013
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:28,480
>> So,

1014
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,119
uh by buying one that's equipped like

1015
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,000
the one we're that we're proposing to

1016
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
purchase. Um it's got more storage.

1017
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,319
We've introduced some different

1018
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:39,920
equipment for the wildland fires in

1019
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Jefferson County is getting um you know

1020
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,720
two years ago we set a record for the

1021
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,400
number of brush fires and grass fires.

1022
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,280
We're out on multiple calls a day. Um

1023
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,880
but that truck does roll out the door.

1024
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,280
We also use it as a hazmat cleanup for

1025
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,000
car wrecks in town. um different the one

1026
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,640
we're purchasing uh would serve those

1027
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,280
purposes plus more. I mean it could be a

1028
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,240
quick attack vehicle. The water capacity

1029
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,839
almost doubled than the one we currently

1030
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,640
have. Um it's got more PSI pressure on

1031
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,480
it. It can be used for a quick attack on

1032
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,040
structure fire if we want them. Um it

1033
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,800
fits our SOPs and uh you know it's just

1034
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,960
it's something that we don't buy very

1035
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,560
often. Like I said, the truck we have is

1036
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,640
27 years old. you're looking at and we

1037
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,400
did do the RFPs, get the quotes, and uh

1038
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,119
this was a demo model. It does have a

1039
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:30,960
couple thousand miles on it just because

1040
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,480
it's been on the highway was out the

1041
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,880
actual uh fire department international

1042
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,720
conference in Indianapolis sitting on

1043
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,280
the floor out there for all the fire

1044
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,359
guys to see. It's a demo model from

1045
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:43,839
Heyman and that's the miles is all

1046
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,839
highways. Highway miles are a lot

1047
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,599
different than

1048
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,200
go time miles when you're going two or

1049
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,280
three miles in rough terrain and stuff,

1050
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
you know, but it's all highway miles.

1051
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,319
So, it is used. Um, that truck was

1052
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,119
probably built and then, you know, it's

1053
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,000
really probably only a year old. By the

1054
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,280
time it was built and stuff, it's called

1055
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,000
a 24, but it's the truck that our guys,

1056
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,319
we put a truck committee together. Um, I

1057
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,800
did and said, "It's not my decision. You

1058
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,240
guys are out there using it more than I

1059
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:14,400
am. Um, what do you want? What specs do

1060
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,599
you want on it? What do you want to see?

1061
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,240
What do you want for storage? Um, what

1062
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,680
do you want for uh hose lines? And it's

1063
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,520
got different hose lines we have now.

1064
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,440
So, uh, that's what they wanted. They

1065
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,839
speced it and we went and found them and

1066
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,000
this is the one we proposed to purchase.

1067
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,800
So, it should get 2025. I mean, that

1068
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,000
sounds like a lot of money, but the

1069
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,240
money's in the we've had, you know,

1070
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,200
build up for truck purchases and, you

1071
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,960
know, the aerial will be next, but by

1072
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,800
the time that's paid for and we decide

1073
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,560
what we're going to do on that with the

1074
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,800
truck committee, you know, that's two or

1075
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,160
three, four years before that's even

1076
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,079
built, it's paid for. So, those those

1077
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,960
trucks take a long time to

1078
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,640
>> to build. So, this is the truck that

1079
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,400
we're proposing that we would like

1080
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,440
permission to.

1081
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,599
>> Does your old truck have a either

1082
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,319
>> a trade value or resale value? It's

1083
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:05,359
limited. So, uh, the way we operate, as

1084
00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:07,040
many calls as we get, we would like to

1085
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,200
keep the old brush truck. So, currently

1086
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,680
we run a a wildfire or wildland truck

1087
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,800
out, brush truck out. And then to get

1088
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,359
extra manpower, we take our command

1089
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:19,119
vehicle, which is a half ton Chevy, and

1090
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:20,800
we pull our side by side out with that.

1091
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,720
Gets more people in it. Plus, it gets a

1092
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,760
side by side to the fire. Also tanker

1093
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,160
rolls. But, uh, that that command

1094
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,000
vehicle doesn't have any equipment or

1095
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,560
anything on it. So, our theory was as

1096
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,400
busy as we've been is we would like to

1097
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960
keep it for now, uh, see how it fits in

1098
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,119
the new fire station and use it as a

1099
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,440
another water source because what

1100
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680
happens is in those dry days and the

1101
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,079
climate seems to be getting drier. Um,

1102
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,520
we're going to one call and we're

1103
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,820
getting paged to another call and

1104
00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:50,480
[snorts] at that point then we have to

1105
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,119
send one of our our pumpers engines

1106
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,119
which aren't made to go down, right?

1107
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,200
>> Uh, some of these places we go, so we

1108
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,720
can't get very close. So, we would

1109
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,640
utilize it in that. It's probably worth

1110
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,920
anywhere from 35 to, you know, $5,000

1111
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,280
maybe. So, would is it worth it to try

1112
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,880
to sell? We'd like to keep it just use

1113
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,520
as a backup and then, you know, we find

1114
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,839
out it's more valuable or we it's not

1115
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,240
working for our SOPs, then we would we

1116
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,839
would consider it.

1117
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:19,280
>> What How long have we had that one? You

1118
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,000
said

1119
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,319
>> 2000. It was It was built in August of

1120
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:24,160
99.

1121
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,079
>> Aren't we mandated every 25 years to

1122
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,079
replace them? not replace them. They

1123
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,760
have to be reertified and go through

1124
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,000
this process. So it it it is costly to

1125
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,280
go through some of that stuff.

1126
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,880
>> So do we have to reertify that one then

1127
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:35,280
or

1128
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,640
>> No, it's a pickup. It's it's

1129
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,000
>> so it doesn't count as a

1130
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,119
>> No.

1131
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:40,079
>> Okay.

1132
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:41,920
>> The pumps and stuff on these trucks are

1133
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,920
all um checked. Uh we do pump checks on

1134
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,440
them and I have a company come in and do

1135
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,200
those have to be pump tested and uh get

1136
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,800
that sign off. So it's the same way when

1137
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,880
they test the pump. you. We're excited

1138
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,599
for a twice the almost twice the amount

1139
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,760
of water on these calls. And I mean, if

1140
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,200
you're out in the middle of nowhere and

1141
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,800
I will tell you this northern part of

1142
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,720
Jefferson County is a lot of prayer,

1143
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,040
it's getting it's it's it's it's a huge

1144
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,720
concern of us on the fire parts dry has

1145
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,960
been because we had 200 acres burn out

1146
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,280
there two years ago. We fought that, you

1147
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,440
know, for several hours and and and

1148
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,640
actually got called off for another

1149
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,640
call. So, we we had to but we had

1150
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,319
different fire departments. But there's

1151
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:25,040
places you need to get to. And even that 3/4 ton pickup with the skid in the

1152
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,280
back, we struggled to get some. This

1153
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,680
one's designed a little bit more to go a

1154
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,880
little bit more off-road. Um that's why

1155
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,760
it's it's called a it's not just a brush

1156
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,720
truck. It's a it's a wild fire truck.

1157
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,160
>> When you say as dry as it's been, you're

1158
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,440
referring to the last couple seasons,

1159
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,560
not the last couple weeks.

1160
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:43,440
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1161
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,359
>> We set records [laughter] as far like

1162
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,359
the grass fires,

1163
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:50,880
>> brush fires. Um, so that's where we're

1164
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,560
at. I mean, I'd be willing to take any

1165
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,119
other questions. Um,

1166
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:56,640
>> yes. So, any other questions?

1167
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,640
>> The the recommendation to use the money

1168
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,079
that we have set aside is made by you

1169
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,920
guys or because I think weren't we

1170
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,720
having look at what our best

1171
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,839
>> We were going to talk with. We were

1172
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,079
suggesting that we just because this one

1173
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:14,240
is a demo and available now

1174
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:16,560
>> instead of weighing the 12 to 18 months,

1175
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,520
right? and weighing all those options. I

1176
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,119
mean, we're still going to buy two

1177
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,040
trucks. That's the plan.

1178
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,800
>> That'll still leave us roughly 300,000

1179
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:25,920
in the account.

1180
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:26,480
>> Yes.

1181
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,040
>> Okay.

1182
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:27,599
>> Yeah.

1183
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:33,359
>> And and so the the quotes we got, so we quoted another demo model from

1184
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:36,480
another company. Um and it was around

1185
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,040
300 I think it was 370 370 and it was

1186
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,359
sold in 4 days after we it wasn't even

1187
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:44,319
available after we

1188
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:46,880
>> Wow. Um and then the other company that

1189
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,440
we quoted um weren't the same

1190
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,440
specifications. They were close, but it

1191
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,520
was um like 305 or 306. So, you know,

1192
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,200
we're trying to say get the truck that

1193
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,200
we want to our specifications, but stay

1194
00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,920
under that.

1195
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,599
>> Okay. No, I was just thinking

1196
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,839
>> and they're out 14 to 16 months on

1197
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:07,839
>> too. And and we just talked about what was smarter, whether to put more

1198
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,319
money down on the on the

1199
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:11,680
>> um what was the other one? the aerial

1200
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,520
truck or or bond or borrow for it. So,

1201
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,400
>> yeah, and we had someone in talking um

1202
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,400
when we were when he brought the when he

1203
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:21,599
was talking to us about the brush truck,

1204
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,839
he looked at our aerial, you know, it's

1205
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:26,400
going to it's it's over 20 years old and

1206
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,559
um he said it's a beautiful truck and

1207
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,079
still is a beautiful truck. It's just,

1208
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,359
you know, it's getting close to that

1209
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:34,160
reertification time and um he said you

1210
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,359
guys will be surprised what you might

1211
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,400
get out of that for.

1212
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,680
>> I was going to say there's resale on

1213
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,680
that one to smaller departments, right?

1214
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,640
probably

1215
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,480
>> maybe not small rural departments don't

1216
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,480
use a ladder truck all the time because

1217
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,240
sometimes their infrastructure is not

1218
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,000
set up for like water manes and stuff.

1219
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,520
You got to put you put a lot of water

1220
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,440
and drain tires pretty quick with a

1221
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,800
ladder truck that's

1222
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,880
>> spraying that many gallons. But yes,

1223
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,000
there's people out there that would be

1224
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,680
looking for a ladder truck.

1225
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:58,319
>> Great.

1226
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:01,440
>> Okay. So, is there a motion to approve?

1227
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:02,880
>> I'll make a motion to approve.

1228
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:03,920
>> Moved by Ferguson.

1229
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,319
>> Second.

1230
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,400
by Tuhill. Any further discussion

1231
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,240
or questions?

1232
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:09,599
Hearing none, please call the RO.

1233
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:10,240
>> Ferguson,

1234
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:10,640
>> yes.

1235
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,200
>> Two Hill,

1236
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:11,520
>> yes.

1237
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:12,000
>> Gami,

1238
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,400
>> yes.

1239
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:12,880
>> Row,

1240
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,200
>> yes.

1241
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,839
>> Thompson,

1242
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:14,720
>> yes.

1243
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,079
>> Great. Thank you. That was approved

1244
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:18,000
unanimously to purchase that brush

1245
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,440
truck.

1246
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,800
>> We'll look forward to seeing it when it

1247
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,920
gets here.

1248
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,040
>> Yes.

1249
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:23,680
>> Let us know.

1250
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:24,720
>> Look good in the station.

1251
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,480
>> Yeah, let us know.

1252
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,149
>> Uh when do you think you'll have it, by

1253
00:49:29,149 --> 00:49:30,240
[clears throat] the way?

1254
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,079
>> Um they're going to they're going to

1255
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,480
letter it. That's including the price.

1256
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,400
So, right now it's got fire on it

1257
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,839
because it was a demo. So they're going

1258
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:38,240
to

1259
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:39,839
>> or the price was they're going to stripe

1260
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:40,480
a

1261
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,839
>> letter of fair. We just got to come up

1262
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:44,079
with a number we want because it's

1263
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,599
pretty common in fire departments that

1264
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:46,800
you don't want to use a truck number you

1265
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,720
use in the past. So we had a lot of

1266
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,079
trucks in the last uh

1267
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:54,039
50 50 60 years. So I'm trying to figure

1268
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:55,119
[snorts] out what number we're going to

1269
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:58,079
use. But um the only thing we will have

1270
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,520
to purchase is a radio and I'm going to

1271
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,040
submit that to the 911 board.

1272
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,520
>> Okay.

1273
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,119
>> To possibly purchase the radio for the

1274
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,880
truck and get that installed.

1275
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,400
>> So like in a couple months.

1276
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,599
>> Oh, we'll have before that.

1277
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:10,640
>> Before. Okay.

1278
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:11,920
>> As soon as they get lettered, soon as I

1279
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,079
let them know that it's been approved,

1280
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,440
um we could have it probably within

1281
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,880
hopefully a couple weeks.

1282
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,920
>> Oh, okay.

1283
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,960
>> By time they get lettered.

1284
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,520
>> Okay. Let us know. Thank you. Uh next

1285
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,920
item. Next action item is consideration

1286
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,559
of the Fairfield Fire Station change

1287
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,880
order number seven. If I read this

1288
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,520
right, it's actually according to

1289
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,119
Rebecca, five changes in the amount of

1290
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,630
$25,14.32.

1291
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,960
And Rebecca, do you want to kind of tell

1292
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,640
us the detail?

1293
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,240
>> Yeah, they were cleaned up some

1294
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,960
paperwork. So, there was like she like

1295
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,319
mayor said, there's several change

1296
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,960
orders in this. There was a stem wall in

1297
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:51,440
the

1298
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,760
>> Does that help? this.

1299
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,200
>> Okay, [laughter]

1300
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:55,760
that helps.

1301
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,599
>> There's a stem wall in the alley that we

1302
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:01,920
had removed. Um there was we had a

1303
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,400
higher grade sealant put on due to the

1304
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,720
high moisture content. We had this issue

1305
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:08,880
at the park and wreck department too. Um

1306
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,040
when we redid the flooring over there,

1307
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,400
so this additional moisture barrier um

1308
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,440
was of course um more money, but we felt

1309
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,680
it was needed to make it work. Um there

1310
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,000
was some HVAC

1311
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,920
um items that need to happen.

1312
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,190
Um

1313
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,565
oh there was a diamond plate

1314
00:51:35,565 --> 00:51:36,640
[sighs]

1315
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,839
on the island in the in the station. So

1316
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:45,280
what we had intended on it was no longer

1317
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,760
available. So then we went out to try to

1318
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,599
get the closest thing. it end up being

1319
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,359
more. So that was another item.

1320
00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,359
>> So all these items together end up being

1321
00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:56,800
25,000.

1322
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,640
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Is there a

1323
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,119
motion to approve?

1324
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,000
>> Move to approve.

1325
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,680
>> Moved by Tuhill.

1326
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,160
>> Second.

1327
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:10,069
by Gandandy. Further discussion.

1328
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,200
Hearing none. Please call the RO.

1329
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,760
>> Tuhill.

1330
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,079
>> Yes.

1331
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:12,559
>> Gandandy.

1332
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:12,880
>> Yes.

1333
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:13,440
>> Thompson.

1334
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:13,760
>> Yes.

1335
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,240
>> Row.

1336
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:14,559
>> Yes.

1337
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:15,359
>> Ferguson.

1338
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:16,480
>> Yes.

1339
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,800
>> Okay. Next action item is consideration

1340
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,760
of request to purchase a vacuum cleaner

1341
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,400
for the library. And we do have Alex

1342
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,800
here. Uh Alex, do you mind coming up and

1343
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,240
talking about this uh vacuum and how you

1344
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,280
got to this situation? Um I just want to

1345
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,040
let the council know beforehand that,

1346
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,319
you know, there's a couple ways we could

1347
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,079
do this. We could do a budget amend

1348
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,400
amendment because this is not budgeted

1349
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,119
for. Um we could consider lost

1350
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,079
uh you know so I guess ponder those

1351
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:55,599
things while Alex is talking about this uh vacuum.

1352
00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:00,079
>> So this this is a Carter chariot 3

1353
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,960
standing vacuum cleaner. Um it's the

1354
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,559
kind of thing that you know like public

1355
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,720
schools and those sorts of environments

1356
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,160
public libraries um really need to

1357
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,400
ensure that the the carpeted areas

1358
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,480
specifically are properly cleaned. Uh

1359
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,200
our our carpet in the library is now 30

1360
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,200
years old and it's starting to show its

1361
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,440
age. Um it's going to continue to

1362
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,680
degrade faster if it's not properly

1363
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,680
cleaned. Um I in the last year or so I

1364
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,000
cons I've started consulting with other

1365
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,839
kind of facilities managers whether

1366
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:35,760
they're public, you know, public schools

1367
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,200
or um so forth. Um, I I I recently

1368
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,040
learned that the best thing you can do

1369
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,800
to

1370
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,160
clean a carpet is not shampoo it or

1371
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,480
something like that. It's just just

1372
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,800
daily or as frequently as you can vacuum

1373
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,280
it. Vacuum clean it gently, as gently as

1374
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,839
you can with a vacuum cleaner. Um, and

1375
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:00,160
um, we were very fortunate for over a

1376
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,240
decade to have Tim and Linda Michaels as

1377
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:05,040
our custodians. They owned a cartridge

1378
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,440
chariot and it they purchased a

1379
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,960
refurbished one with their own money and

1380
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,559
they kept it at the library for a long

1381
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,839
time. It's a very serious investment. Um

1382
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,720
even you know a new a newly refurbished

1383
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:21,119
um chariot costs $8 to $9,000. Um new

1384
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,480
they are $18 to $20,000. So Tim and

1385
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,200
Linda to make their lives easier and

1386
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,400
because they cared so much about the

1387
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,000
library they purchased that this writing

1388
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,559
vacuum cleaner themselves. it's very

1389
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,960
difficult to find a custodian or a team

1390
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,520
of a team of custodians with that kind

1391
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,920
of equipment and willing to leave it um

1392
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,960
you know at their at the work site. Um

1393
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,280
so I believe and together with the

1394
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,119
trustees we believe that the public

1395
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,760
library should own its own standing

1396
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,680
vacuum cleaner um and that we should

1397
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,520
purchase one similar to what Tim and

1398
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,440
Linda had because it is sort of an

1399
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,079
indust indust industry standard. Um, the

1400
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:04,480
Carter 3 is an upgrade over what what we previously were using at the library.

1401
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,280
When Tim and Linda Michaels retired, um,

1402
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,319
they passed their their carter chariot

1403
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,720
that was not really functioning to a

1404
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,160
custodian that had a contract at the

1405
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200
library for a year. He did he um he did

1406
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,160
not during that time do any refurbishing

1407
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,480
or replace the battery. It got to the

1408
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,440
point where the the the vacuum cleaner

1409
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,520
um previously that we had the library

1410
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,119
would only run for about 10 minutes

1411
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,200
because the battery was just so badly

1412
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,440
need to be needing to be replaced. Um

1413
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,599
this this Carter 3 that we would

1414
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,160
purchase um is an AEG kind of

1415
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,720
water-based type of battery. Um it's a

1416
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,800
lower cost to get started compared to a

1417
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,000
lithium battery. Um but it will it will

1418
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,559
last for 7 to 10 years. very comparable

1419
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,359
to a lithium ion if it's um if it's

1420
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:53,280
maintained on a monthly basis. Basic,

1421
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,799
you basically just need to check the the

1422
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:56,880
water level to make sure it's adequate.

1423
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,520
Um but um because we were anticipating

1424
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,200
continuing to work with our our former

1425
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,440
custodian and we thought that he was

1426
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:11,920
going to um replace the battery and that former chariot would be good. Um,

1427
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,839
we did not budget for a replacement

1428
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:16,079
vacuum cleaner, but ultimately we

1429
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,079
believe that that this should be

1430
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,920
something owned by the library. And um,

1431
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,480
we we think we think it's a very very

1432
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,880
good investment, especially considering

1433
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,799
um, that the library has begun this

1434
00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:31,599
library renewal project and we will

1435
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:33,680
probably be replacing the carpet in the

1436
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,520
next several years. So, we can get ahead

1437
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,680
of get ahead of needing this then. Um,

1438
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,640
and also it can help the current carpet

1439
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,400
last just, you know, a little bit

1440
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,079
longer.

1441
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,839
>> And what what's the price on this? Uh,

1442
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:53,920
>> um, the the price is um $8,640

1443
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,799
with with delivery. The delivery is

1444
00:56:56,799 --> 00:56:59,359
$150.

1445
00:56:59,359 --> 00:57:01,760
>> And also, I I failed to mention I think

1446
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,520
you guys thought you might have a little

1447
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,200
bit of reserve you could use.

1448
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,640
>> We do. Um the the reserve we have is is

1449
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,880
earmarked for um the library renewal

1450
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,319
project and it's it comes from

1451
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:15,440
unspecified gift funds. Um we would

1452
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,440
really appreciate the support of the

1453
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,680
city and being able to access something

1454
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,319
from the general fund or loss funds to

1455
00:57:22,319 --> 00:57:25,119
be able to um to be able to pay for all

1456
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:28,880
or um as much as possible um to purchase

1457
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,920
this vacuum cleaner. But um you know if

1458
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,960
push came to shove, we would we would

1459
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,520
access some of those unspecified gift

1460
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,720
funds.

1461
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:39,760
>> How much is that?

1462
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:46,079
>> I I would um I would say um I I would we would hesitate to use the funds

1463
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:48,240
for the vacuum cleaner because we feel

1464
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,119
like it might not represent very well

1465
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,160
how people hope to see their gift funds

1466
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,160
used.

1467
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:03,440
>> But if we if it was necessary, we would definitely utilize that

1468
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,960
>> because it's so important,

1469
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:05,440
>> right?

1470
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,599
>> What do we have?

1471
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,920
>> How much how much do we have currently?

1472
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,040
>> Um, currently there is $250,000

1473
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,359
that is um earmarked for the library

1474
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:19,440
renewal project, which is a um it's a $3

1475
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,440
million project. So the and the this the

1476
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,000
$3 million go toward just really kind of

1477
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,319
bringing the library up to speed, kind

1478
00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:30,400
of bringing it up to date because it is

1479
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,720
a 30-year-old facility and you know we want it to better serve people in our

1480
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,760
community in 2026 and beyond.

1481
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,920
>> What happened to the other one? the the

1482
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,000
>> the other one was was taken by the

1483
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,319
former custodian who saw it as his

1484
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:49,119
property after he picked it up from the

1485
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,760
former custodian's um residence

1486
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,359
>> and he's no longer the custodian for the

1487
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:57,190
life.

1488
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,799
» So I'm sorry, Rebecca, do you know how

1489
00:58:58,799 --> 00:58:59,920
much we haven't lost?

1490
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,160
>> No, off the top of my head.

1491
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,200
>> Sorry.

1492
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,240
>> More than 50.

1493
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,680
>> Yes.

1494
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,400
>> Okay.

1495
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Any thoughts, council? How would you

1496
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,799
like to move forward with us? You want

1497
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:14,960
to take it to committee

1498
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,400
ways of means?

1499
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,440
>> You want to make a motion?

1500
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
>> What about a portion of it? We share a

1501
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,960
portion of it. Let's say loss funds and

1502
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,000
the general fund that you have which is

1503
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,680
considerable. I understand the need, but

1504
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,240
we're compared to that amount

1505
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,376
>> amount we're talking about. It's not

1506
00:59:34,376 --> 00:59:34,960
[clears throat]

1507
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,760
I don't think

1508
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,240
>> would it be acceptable from a op uptick

1509
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,359
standpoint if the city went in with the

1510
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:44,319
library if you know 50/50 something like

1511
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:44,720
that.

1512
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,680
>> That was that was what I was hoping for.

1513
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,720
>> Okay. Want to make a motion?

1514
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,160
I would make a motion that the city

1515
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,400
contribute 50% of the purchase price to

1516
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,960
its loss fund allocations and the other

1517
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,040
50% we're asking or we assume the

1518
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,880
library contribute from its what is it

1519
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,839
called?

1520
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:04,720
>> Endowment.

1521
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,920
>> Um reserve funds.

1522
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,839
>> Reserve fund.

1523
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:08,880
>> I'll second that.

1524
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,640
>> Okay. So, it's been moved and seconded

1525
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,960
to buy the vacuum 50% from loss 50% from

1526
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,680
the library reserve funds.

1527
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,520
Any other questions or discussion?

1528
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,720
Not. Please call the roll.

1529
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:23,440
>> Gandandy? Yes.

1530
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:24,160
>> Ferguson?

1531
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,559
>> Yes.

1532
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:25,119
>> Thompson?

1533
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:25,440
>> Yes.

1534
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:25,920
>> Ro?

1535
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:26,240
>> Yes.

1536
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:26,960
>> Twohill?

1537
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,000
>> Yes.

1538
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,280
>> Are you going to give everybody a ride

1539
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,400
on it? [laughter]

1540
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,599
>> Yeah.

1541
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:34,960
>> Pretty good, right? Yeah. It's It's just

1542
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,799
really funny. I'm going after the fire

1543
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,480
department, you know, cuz it's like, you

1544
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,880
know, really cool new brush truck versus

1545
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,559
writing writing standing [laughter]

1546
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:45,359
vacuum cleaner, you know, librarian

1547
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,920
versus firefighter. There you go.

1548
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,520
>> Maybe we could have a drag. Yeah, that

1549
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,720
would be [laughter] really fun. We all

1550
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,799
got our vehicles.

1551
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:53,760
>> Okay, thanks Alex.

1552
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,839
>> Thank you so much, Alex.

1553
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:58,079
>> Okay, next action on consideration of a

1554
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,839
downtown two-way streets agreement for

1555
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:01,680
conceptual estimates with French Baker

1556
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,480
and Associates. I believe this is 6900.

1557
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,160
Marcus, you want to walk us through

1558
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:06,640
this?

1559
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,160
>> Yeah, good evening council. This is

1560
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,240
agreement is for converting um

1561
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,079
developing sketches and estimates for

1562
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,400
converting downtown from oneway to

1563
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,559
two-way streets. And the approach that

1564
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,720
we plan on taking is doing in phases.

1565
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,119
Phase one would be um the traffic signal

1566
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,119
improvements and then grinding and

1567
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,160
painting all the block except for court

1568
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,799
south of Burlington uh to Washington.

1569
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:31,440
And this is done because I think some uh

1570
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,440
more traffic study would need to be done

1571
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,040
there to analyze what kind of

1572
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,319
improvements would need to be done at

1573
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:37,839
that intersection. So that's why it's

1574
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:39,520
separate out into then that goes into

1575
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,400
the next phase is phase two would be um

1576
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
grinding and painting from Burlington on

1577
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,119
court from Burlington to Washington and

1578
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,520
then looking at uh intersection

1579
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,960
improvements there at that intersection

1580
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,319
if it's going to be a four-way stop,

1581
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:54,079
two-way stop or if there needs to be a

1582
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:55,599
pedestrian push button. So that'd be

1583
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,680
phase two. Then phase three would be

1584
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,520
doing an overlay project for all eight

1585
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,160
blocks and node improvements for

1586
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:03,920
converting those nodes would go in the

1587
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,240
opposite directions. So um we would

1588
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,839
develop meet sketches and estimates for

1589
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:09,839
each of those phases.

1590
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:11,760
I believe mayor this is a lowcost ops

1591
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,359
that you had been suggesting that he's

1592
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:16,880
>> Yeah. This was kind of a starting place.

1593
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:17,440
>> Yeah.

1594
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,119
>> Are you talking about phase one as a

1595
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:20,799
starting place?

1596
01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:22,400
>> Yes. Yep. Phase one would be the

1597
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,119
starting place. Then phase two would be

1598
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,040
finishing out that project and then

1599
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:28,559
phase three would be kind of

1600
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:31,119
>> redoing the whole thing to overlaying

1601
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,538
and note improvements.

1602
01:02:32,538 --> 01:02:32,960
>> [laughter]

1603
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,559
>> I would move to approve the agreement

1604
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,240
with French Renker Associates. I'm going

1605
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,160
read the whole thing for the downtown

1606
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,760
two-way conversion conceptual estimates

1607
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,960
and sketches in the lump sum of $6,900

1608
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,040
with the liberal deliverables due within

1609
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,960
n within 30 days.

1610
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,480
>> Okay,

1611
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:49,200
>> there a second.

1612
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:49,760
>> Second.

1613
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,680
>> Okay. Moved and seconded to move forward

1614
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,079
on the French Rener agreement about the

1615
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:57,839
downtown estimates. Uh any discussion?

1616
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:00,559
Yeah, I know this uh project's been kind

1617
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,160
of on the uh on schedule for a long

1618
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,559
time, but uh it's been actually since

1619
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:07,760
longer than I've been on council. I was

1620
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,480
wondering have a brief summary of why

1621
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,160
you want this change. What are the

1622
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,599
benefits?

1623
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:14,319
>> Good question.

1624
01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:16,240
>> I've got some constituents who are

1625
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,839
strongly in favor and some are strongly

1626
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:18,319
opposed.

1627
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:20,319
>> Yes. And I think over time

1628
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,160
>> I think that's the way it has been.

1629
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,680
>> Yeah. Um, in previous times I I will say

1630
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,920
I've had negative comments go and at

1631
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,920
that time it was like 100,000 to change

1632
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,559
things but I think again that was bare

1633
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,599
minimum because I think depends on how

1634
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,599
much how big the scope you're talking

1635
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,079
about. Um, and this was several years

1636
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,079
ago. So,

1637
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,720
um I guess you know I know some of our

1638
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,319
council members are really in favor and

1639
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:50,400
so I I'll open it up to discussion

1640
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,839
of how you feel strongly about it or not

1641
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:56,720
and uh go from there.

1642
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,119
>> Well, there's any number of angles you

1643
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,640
can take. For example, Main Street

1644
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,400
Fairfield, which we were recently

1645
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,599
designated last year. Um it's um when

1646
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,200
they did their assessment of Fairfield

1647
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,760
downtown in 2024, one of their top

1648
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,920
priorities is that we that we engage in

1649
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,559
two-way two-way street restoration. They

1650
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,319
see it as absolutely they see it as very

1651
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:18,240
important to revitalizing downtown in

1652
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,720
terms of being able to attract visitors, who stay, visitors who will

1653
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,799
shop, visitors who are not just driving

1654
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:26,880
through town, visitors going to feel

1655
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,880
welcome. So from their point of view in

1656
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,319
terms of revitalizing downtown, they see

1657
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:31,119
it as something that's [clears throat]

1658
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,280
essential. Similarly, when we speak to

1659
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,400
other people who are interested in

1660
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:35,920
revitalizing downtown, like for example,

1661
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,400
our conventioners visitors bureau or

1662
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,079
merchants downtown. It's been my

1663
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:41,440
experience in talking with them, those

1664
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,400
that are there that um whose businesses

1665
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,839
are are um still exist and those some

1666
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,640
who have not that are do not exist that

1667
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,559
a two-way conversion would make a

1668
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,119
difference in terms of traffic that is

1669
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,240
actual purchaser traffic. So

1670
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,000
the chamber at least several years ago

1671
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,920
in my understanding a number of business

1672
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,799
constituents had expressed strong desire

1673
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:06,480
for two-way conversion. Why it's taken

1674
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,839
the time it has taken, I'm not sure, but

1675
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:11,760
this is a meaningful step and that we're

1676
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,920
going to get again I I think we've done

1677
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,920
this before again get some cost

1678
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,400
estimates and um I'm sure we'll have

1679
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,760
further discussions but my experience in

1680
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,280
talking with various constituents

1681
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,160
downtown and business people around town

1682
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,200
around downtown that it it makes every

1683
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:30,799
makes all the sense to have this sort of

1684
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:33,359
thing implemented. I think part of I'll

1685
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:35,200
just mention I think part of the reason

1686
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,480
it's gone kind of silent for a while but

1687
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880
now with the replacement of the street

1688
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,455
light at Burlington and Maine

1689
01:05:44,455 --> 01:05:45,039
[snorts]

1690
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,119
it's come up for discussion you know

1691
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,039
okay is this we going to keep it as it

1692
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,760
is or are we going to plan ahead for

1693
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,000
that conversion so that you know this

1694
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,760
was the beginning of it

1695
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,119
>> just timing wise and then the next light

1696
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,200
of course is Burlington and Court so

1697
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,160
that has to be considered too. Is that a

1698
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:09,119
four-way light? Is it no light? So, I

1699
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,039
think that's where where we're starting

1700
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,160
the conversation again.

1701
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,839
>> I think we've got you we I think we'll

1702
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:14,720
find that's where we're going to have to

1703
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,000
reconstruct because the conversation's

1704
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,559
going back as far I know

1705
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,359
seven years 2019 and maybe before that.

1706
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,039
So there there's going to have to be a

1707
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,559
reconstruction of where we are and I'm

1708
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,520
not sure it's it's not there's not a

1709
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,200
consensus of where we are, but I I do

1710
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,559
think that there there's going to be a

1711
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:33,520
need there is going to be some more

1712
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,520
discussion. I and we'll see what these

1713
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,839
what the estimates bring back to us. But

1714
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:40,880
I do think you're going to find that at

1715
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,319
least the people who are most interested

1716
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:45,039
in revitalizing downtown, they they they

1717
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,599
did want this. I mean my my experience

1718
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:51,280
is that there is a unonymity of of

1719
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,400
opinion by the people who actually are

1720
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,240
you know the most qualified to have an

1721
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,799
informed opinion. This makes a huge

1722
01:06:58,799 --> 01:07:02,240
difference and any one of us can go to a

1723
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,880
confident uh competent large language

1724
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,599
model and do our own research find out

1725
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:10,240
you know what is the impact of 2A versus

1726
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:14,640
one way. Um, and I think people I will

1727
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,039
tend to want to keep things the way they

1728
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,520
are just because that's the way we do as

1729
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,319
human beings. We, you know, we we get a

1730
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:24,640
little bit resistant to change. But what

1731
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,640
I would suggest, Matthew, for all of us

1732
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,960
is that if we hear people say, "Well,

1733
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,240
now we really want our one-way streets."

1734
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,720
Ask them why and then do a little bit of

1735
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,280
research. Go have coffee with them. Show

1736
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,599
them research. I think it's incumbent on

1737
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,839
us to

1738
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:45,039
not just get feedback from constituents,

1739
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,640
but if on a on a something that is as in

1740
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,680
my view vital to the vitality of

1741
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,920
downtown that we take a very proactive

1742
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,000
stance if in fact you know people come

1743
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,599
to us. Uh that's if no one has actually

1744
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,680
come to me arguing for for two-way

1745
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,119
streets. But if they did that's what I

1746
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:04,880
would handle it. I would go do some

1747
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,760
research and sit down and say, "Okay,

1748
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,079
>> sure." All right. Thank you.

1749
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,160
>> Any other comments,

1750
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:13,119
questions?

1751
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:14,319
>> No. Please call the role.

1752
01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:15,280
>> Gandi,

1753
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:15,760
>> yes.

1754
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:16,400
>> Ferguson,

1755
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,040
>> yes.

1756
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:17,600
>> Thompson,

1757
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:17,920
>> yes.

1758
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:18,480
>> Two Hill,

1759
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:18,880
>> yes.

1760
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,440
>> Row,

1761
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:20,880
>> yes.

1762
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,880
>> Okay. We have a resolution uh

1763
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,120
consideration to resend resolution

1764
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:29,199
number 44.86, employment of personnel.

1765
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,839
um council just so you know we did offer

1766
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:35,679
the planning and zoning

1767
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:39,920
uh position to a candidate who then

1768
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,560
decided not to take it. So that's why we

1769
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,920
have these uh recisions

1770
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,799
and uh personnel is going to have to

1771
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,640
meet again and decide which direction to

1772
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,279
go forward after this. So first one

1773
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,239
again rescend the resolution number 4486

1774
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,440
employment of personnel.

1775
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:00,719
>> Move to rescend.

1776
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:02,400
>> Okay. Moved by Tuhill. Is there a

1777
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:03,040
second?

1778
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:03,520
>> Second.

1779
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,960
by Gandandy. Any discussion?

1780
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,400
>> Hearing none. Please call the role.

1781
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:08,960
>> Tuhill.

1782
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:09,279
>> Yes.

1783
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:09,839
>> Gandandy.

1784
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:10,239
>> Yes.

1785
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:10,799
>> Row.

1786
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:11,120
>> Yes.

1787
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:11,759
>> Ferguson.

1788
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:12,080
>> Yes.

1789
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:12,799
>> Thompson.

1790
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:13,359
>> Yes.

1791
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Approved unanimously.

1792
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:17,920
Uh, next resolution. Consideration to

1793
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,880
rescend resolution number 4487, the

1794
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,640
employment contract of the planning and

1795
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,719
zoning director.

1796
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,600
>> Move to resend resolution number 4487.

1797
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,480
>> Okay,

1798
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:29,359
>> second.

1799
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,400
>> Thank you. Moved and seconded to resend

1800
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,880
resolution 4487, employment contract of

1801
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,400
the planning and zoning director. Is

1802
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,440
there any discussion or questions? Not

1803
01:09:39,440 --> 01:09:40,159
please call the role.

1804
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:40,799
>> Two Hill,

1805
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:41,120
>> yes.

1806
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:41,600
>> Gandandy,

1807
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,000
>> yes.

1808
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:42,560
>> Thompson,

1809
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:42,960
>> yes.

1810
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:43,440
>> Row,

1811
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:43,759
>> yes.

1812
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:44,480
>> Ferguson,

1813
01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:45,600
>> yes.

1814
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,480
>> Thank you. Uh we have uh first reading

1815
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,400
of an ordinance consideration amendment

1816
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,120
to chapter 2.52 related to Fairfield

1817
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,520
Media Center. Uh we did hear about this

1818
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,960
at our last study session um that we are

1819
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,800
no longer uh public broadcasting on TV

1820
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,719
channel. It's all through the internet

1821
01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:08,719
now. And to update that, we have these

1822
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:13,920
um updates on our actual ordinance that

1823
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,360
been presented here by Jason. And uh

1824
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,239
Jason, do you want to share anything

1825
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:21,600
specific? Do you want to come up here

1826
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,280
and

1827
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:24,800
maybe just go through it real quick for

1828
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,990
the public's interest?

1829
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,658
Uh as far as the document is concerned,

1830
01:10:32,658 --> 01:10:34,640
[clears throat] I just went and did a

1831
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,600
review of the ordinance that was already

1832
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,080
uh up on the city website. Anything in

1833
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,960
yellow are the things that I changed. Uh

1834
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,800
there were several items that I ended up

1835
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,040
getting rid of just simply they didn't

1836
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,080
they no longer applied uh to the media

1837
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,239
center as far as what we do and h how we

1838
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,880
move forward. Um everything in the

1839
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,800
regular black text is is basically as is

1840
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,080
>> the way it was. So

1841
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,960
>> it's great.

1842
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,480
>> Okay.

1843
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:04,400
>> Thank you. Any questions for Jason?

1844
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:04,960
>> Nope.

1845
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,520
>> Okay. Uh this again is the first

1846
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,280
reading. So we'll go through three

1847
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,760
readings. Is that Oh, I mean you don't

1848
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,280
have a reason to

1849
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:13,679
>> I

1850
01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:15,040
>> put this on a fast track, right?

1851
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,719
>> Yeah. No, no reason at all. So

1852
01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:18,960
>> Okay. So this will be the first reading.

1853
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,199
Is there a motion to approve the first

1854
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:22,560
reading and move? Make a motion to

1855
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,000
approve the first reading.

1856
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,760
>> Moved by Ferguson.

1857
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,320
>> Second.

1858
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,760
by Gandandy. Any discussion

1859
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:31,199
hearing? None. Please call the role.

1860
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:31,840
>> Ferguson?

1861
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,239
>> Yes.

1862
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:32,719
>> Gandandy?

1863
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:33,120
>> Yes.

1864
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:33,760
>> To Hill?

1865
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:34,320
>> Yes.

1866
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,040
>> Thompson?

1867
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:35,840
>> Yes.

1868
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:36,400
>> Ro?

1869
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:37,760
>> Yes.

1870
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,600
>> Great. Thank you. Under the mayor's

1871
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:44,550
report, I have a couple things. Um,

1872
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,880
at last last study session we or maybe

1873
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,960
it was the council meeting, we did hear

1874
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:53,679
somebody from uh a tenant, if you will,

1875
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:56,719
at at MIU trailer court uh requesting

1876
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:58,800
the arbor committee come out there and

1877
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,159
look at trees. I did say I would call um

1878
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,080
Tom Brooks who does facilities

1879
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,239
management. I'm not sure if that's his

1880
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,560
right title at MIU. We did have a

1881
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,120
discussion. He is in discussion with

1882
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,960
Jeremy Brennan at this point. Uh they

1883
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,480
are not ready for the Arbor Committee to

1884
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,239
come out and uh do anything at this time

1885
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:22,400
and um I said well let me know if that

1886
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,880
changes. I did talk to Steve Tailor who

1887
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,280
is the chair of the Arbor Committee just

1888
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,920
to let him know that their services are

1889
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,679
not needed at this time and that I would

1890
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:32,719
let him know if I heard something

1891
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:35,840
different. So that's where that's at. Um

1892
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,560
and then Paul is went to the Iowa League

1893
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,400
of Cities and I think he wants to report

1894
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,840
on that and um so that's all I have. Go

1895
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:44,480
ahead Paul.

1896
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,320
>> Thank you mayor. I wanted to share a few

1897
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,920
takeaways from the Iowa League of Cities

1898
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,280
annual conference in Bentonorf I

1899
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,120
attended last week but rather than

1900
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,880
providing a broad conference report I

1901
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,239
want to focus on what I think is most

1902
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,560
relevant to Fairfield today. I attended

1903
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,800
several sessions covering municipal

1904
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,679
finance, urban renewal, downtown

1905
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:04,000
redevelopment, tax abatement programs,

1906
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,480
Smids, and the impact of Senate File

1907
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,560
2472, as you know, which is having to do

1908
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,199
with property taxes. The consistent

1909
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:12,880
message from city leaders and bond

1910
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,199
attorneys, which we I listened to, and

1911
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,040
state of state officials, was that the

1912
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:18,320
communities that are most successful

1913
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,960
when they treat their downtown housing,

1914
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,239
historic preservation, and

1915
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:24,000
infrastructure as a single redevelopment

1916
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,440
strategy rather than separate

1917
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,560
initiatives. So, this directly impacts

1918
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,480
what we're working on now. And I'll I'll

1919
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:33,120
to refresh your memory, uh it directly

1920
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:34,640
impacts what we're doing. If you

1921
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,080
remember, council on August 10th,

1922
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400
the council, you directed the economic

1923
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,800
development committee and a working

1924
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,199
group to evaluate a downtown

1925
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,520
revitalization subdist. We called it our

1926
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,159
historic sub area through an amendment.

1927
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:51,679
It turns out it's amendment to our urban

1928
01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:53,600
revitalization plan. So all of Fairfield

1929
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,320
is an urban revitalization area, the

1930
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,280
entire city. So the the goal really was

1931
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,000
we thought to solve a problem or an

1932
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,880
issue with regard to uh a building

1933
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,239
downtown 51 East Broadway which is

1934
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:10,480
changed from rentals being the

1935
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:13,440
development to for sale condominiums and

1936
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,600
there had been an agreement uh some sort

1937
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,040
of agreement that the city was going to

1938
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,640
offer 10ear tax abatements to that

1939
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,400
developer and to those condo to those to that developer which now turns

1940
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,000
out to be condo purchasers not the

1941
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,120
developer. So, um, that's a short that's

1942
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:28,719
an issue, that's a problem. But it turns

1943
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:31,760
out that this really turns out to be an

1944
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,880
opportunity for the city. Uh, I believe

1945
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,120
because we we we don't have to just

1946
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,800
address that single project, but we can

1947
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,480
establish a long-term framework with

1948
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,679
this historic sub area. Um, five things

1949
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,400
we can accomplish based on my what I I I

1950
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,159
learned at these sessions. We can

1951
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:51,040
encourage upper story housing while pre

1952
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,000
preserving commercial storefronts. we

1953
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,880
can support future SMIDs financing

1954
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,280
options and protects downtown merchants.

1955
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,159
There is in the chapter of the code, I

1956
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,120
believe it's 386 and chapter 404, which

1957
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,960
are relevant state codes, there is a

1958
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,480
provision that if a property is in a

1959
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,000
historic district, even though it's a

1960
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,840
residential property, it can't be levied

1961
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,239
upon for a smid. So that gives some

1962
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,400
fairness to commercial business owners.

1963
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:16,800
Mhm.

1964
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,679
>> And that also there's a language that we

1965
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:21,199
need to be careful of because of the

1966
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,920
Senate's new 2472 tax property tax

1967
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,520
revision

1968
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,880
that certain things we need to do in

1969
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,120
order to offer that 10ear tax uh 10ear

1970
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,239
tax um tax abatement. Uh we can we need

1971
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:33,440
to do a certain thing in order to

1972
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:36,000
preserve the our city's right to levy on

1973
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,080
the increased value in that property in

1974
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,360
the years following. Also, the this this

1975
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,600
particular um plan amendment that we're

1976
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,360
going to be presenting to the council is

1977
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,120
going to be set up so we can preserve

1978
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,360
historic preservation goals are

1979
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,320
consistent with our fair first um Main

1980
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,080
Street Fairfields preservation

1981
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:58,480
guidelines and and um as I said earlier,

1982
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,320
it's going to be able to protect the

1983
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,199
city's revenue uh so we can participate

1984
01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:05,360
in upcoming uh tax abatement cycles when

1985
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,120
the tax abatement properties go off tax

1986
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,719
abatement. So um

1987
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:12,800
what we're going to be doing our my my

1988
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,120
plan is what I this is going to be

1989
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:16,880
brought before council we'll be working

1990
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,600
with our bond council Oluni and they'll

1991
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,120
be preparing draft language for this

1992
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,960
historic sub area that we spoke about

1993
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,640
but it's going to incorporate some other

1994
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,760
uh some other things that we can use

1995
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,280
that I say can help further the other

1996
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,719
goals that further the other goals we

1997
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:34,000
have for the city. So on October 12th,

1998
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,600
um by that time hopefully we'll have

1999
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,080
this framework to review with the city,

2000
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,280
the draft plan amendment language, the

2001
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,520
boundary map for the historic area and

2002
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,760
the timeline for having this completed.

2003
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,360
If we're going to one thing that's very

2004
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,280
clear that if we're going to be able to

2005
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,440
offer this 10-year tax abatement

2006
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:54,080
beginning with the tax year 2028, which

2007
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,960
means valuation is made for those

2008
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,760
properties on January 1, 2027. We have

2009
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:01,600
to have this plan amendment passed by

2010
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,000
the end of this year, December 31st of

2011
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,719
this year. So, we have enough time. We

2012
01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,400
don't have to rush, but we have to be

2013
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,159
deliberate about what we're going to do

2014
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,480
and and we're going to be. So, um this

2015
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:16,560
was what I learned from the from the um from the sessions I attended

2016
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,360
at the ILC and I'll be presenting

2017
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,400
further more further to the council at

2018
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:23,920
our next meeting on October 12th.

2019
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,440
>> Okay. Great. Thank you.

2020
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:28,880
>> I have question Paul. Yeah. Um you had

2021
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,560
mentioned that the entire city is

2022
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,040
covered under

2023
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:33,679
I don't

2024
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:35,040
>> I think the entire city is an urban

2025
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,560
revitalization district.

2026
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,159
>> The entire city is urban

2027
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,480
>> you know you know relative to the

2028
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:42,320
concern that I brought up you know in

2029
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,560
terms of not

2030
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,800
creating a disincentive for developers

2031
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,920
to develop condominium products projects

2032
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,239
particularly you know in in the core of

2033
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:55,360
the city. uh does does this address that

2034
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,400
at all or is is what we're going to be

2035
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,199
talking about just relative to the core

2036
01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:02,960
downtown the nine blocks or whatever

2037
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,120
however we define it will that will that

2038
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,320
be able to be uh applied broadly across

2039
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,640
the whole city so let's say someone does

2040
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,520
want to put a condominium project

2041
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,719
>> well I think this particular plan

2042
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,560
amendment to our urban revitalization

2043
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,960
plan is going to deal with historic

2044
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:21,600
buildings

2045
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,800
>> okay And right now our contemplated

2046
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,560
boundary is for downtown.

2047
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,199
>> Yeah.

2048
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:29,440
>> Specific blocks downtown. Yeah. New

2049
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,040
buildings, new builds. I don't think

2050
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,480
this particular plan amendment is going

2051
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:34,880
to really contemplate that. That answers

2052
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:35,440
your question.

2053
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:37,360
>> Good.

2054
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:37,760
>> Yeah.

2055
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,199
>> Thank you. Thank you very much. Good

2056
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:41,280
information. We'll look forward to hear

2057
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,239
>> uh your report back future meetings. Uh

2058
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:45,760
city attorney report. John, do you have

2059
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:46,320
anything to

2060
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,080
>> Yes, I have a few things if you can

2061
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,600
tolerate me.

2062
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:50,080
>> Uh

2063
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,000
>> okay. You got 10 minutes. I got 10

2064
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,000
minutes. Okay. Uh first thing I don't

2065
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:59,199
have Holden Smith here tonight but I am

2066
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,520
intending to uh see if we can get

2067
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,719
personnel committee together with Holden

2068
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:08,320
present uh what he would like to do with

2069
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,880
uh the city as far as a memorandum of

2070
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,520
understanding like I have with the city

2071
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,400
as far as agreed work that will be done

2072
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,840
and other work that uh [snorts] will be

2073
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,600
extra if necessary. Uh but uh other than

2074
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,199
that, he is fully u admitted to the bar

2075
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,199
now. He's also under the wing of both

2076
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:32,320
types of protections. I've called IAP to

2077
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,920
let them know that we're going to have a

2078
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,679
new guy. I've also uh called my own

2079
01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:41,554
private insurer Minnesota Mutual

2080
01:19:41,554 --> 01:19:43,679
[clears throat] and he's where he's

2081
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:45,920
supposed to be as far as those things so

2082
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,000
that he can meet the standards that the

2083
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,560
council should have for a person to come

2084
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,719
on board and provide you advice.

2085
01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:57,280
So sometime in the next two weeks if we

2086
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,120
can get that worked out with them. Okay,

2087
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,040
>> I'd like to see him sworn in.

2088
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:04,080
>> Okay. Um, so let's uh move that to

2089
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,320
personnel, a meeting with him and get those soon as we can.

2090
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,640
>> So is there a motion to uh move

2091
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,560
um for the personnel meeting our

2092
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,400
personnel committee to meet regarding

2093
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,960
Holden and being on board as a city

2094
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,400
attorney?

2095
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,120
>> So moved.

2096
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,239
>> Okay. Is there a second?

2097
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:22,800
>> Second.

2098
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,199
>> Okay. Should we also move regarding the

2099
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:27,199
planning and zoning director to have

2100
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:29,600
that reconsidered by personnel

2101
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:30,400
>> or that's something

2102
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:31,520
>> I think we can put that in the agenda

2103
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,560
the personnel meeting. I don't know we

2104
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,920
have to I don't think we have to make a

2105
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,280
motion or move it there already but it needs to be on there. Yes.

2106
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,520
>> Okay. Great. Okay. So, it's been moved

2107
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,000
and seconded to uh have the personnel

2108
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,280
meeting regarding Holden and uh his

2109
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,000
position. Uh any discussion or any

2110
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,640
questions? All those in favor say I.

2111
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:52,640
>> I. All those post same sign. And again

2112
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,080
with that meeting, let's put on the P

2113
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,400
and Z director position and discuss

2114
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,400
that. Okay, go ahead, John.

2115
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:00,560
>> Okay. Uh

2116
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,320
things that are happening around town

2117
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,199
that u we're looking at and taking a

2118
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:08,320
position on. Uh there is an act called

2119
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,120
the Native Americans Graves Protection

2120
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,280
and Repatriot

2121
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,600
Repatriotation

2122
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,400
Act. Um, it's at issue right now over at

2123
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,280
our museum. Uh, there's something that

2124
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:25,760
started when Stan Plum was assistant

2125
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,640
curator over there. It had to do with a

2126
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,920
skull from New Zealand. and Stan uh

2127
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,719
having a background in archaeology

2128
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:38,719
corresponded with somebody from New

2129
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:41,360
Zealand and they actually arranged to

2130
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,000
have it researched and now it's at a

2131
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,400
point where that skull is destined to be

2132
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,920
repatriated back to New Zealand and a

2133
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,520
tribe down there that believes it to be

2134
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,480
someone from their tribe. We do not have

2135
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:59,920
a provenence at our museum that shows

2136
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,719
how we came into possession of that

2137
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:06,239
particular skull. Now, that is a

2138
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:09,920
background under this act and I agree

2139
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:11,679
with the act. I worked with Lakota

2140
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:14,719
Nakota Dakota for three years and there

2141
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:17,360
are things that have been taken from

2142
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,480
tribes by grave robbery is what I would

2143
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:24,560
call it or vandalism and theft from uh

2144
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,960
museums such as the Jesuit Museum down

2145
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,520
at St. Francis on mission uh the Rosebud

2146
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,800
Reservation or the Pineriidge uh Museum

2147
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,080
that's out by Pine or Rapid City. Those

2148
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,159
are things that shouldn't happen and

2149
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:43,520
they're things that that act exists for.

2150
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:48,320
Our museum, I promise you, does not have

2151
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,280
things from the tribes that are subject

2152
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:56,080
to repatriation. We had two very devout

2153
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,920
curator um assistants, Ben Taylor and

2154
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,679
Doc Cells, for about 20 years. They did

2155
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:07,760
recipe box cards with a provenence on

2156
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,520
each thing that we have in our

2157
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,679
collections. Some of those things have

2158
01:23:11,679 --> 01:23:14,480
been in that museum for a hundred years.

2159
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,400
They are some of them are Plains

2160
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,159
Indians, some of them are Southwest

2161
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:21,120
Indians. I know what they are, but I

2162
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,679
also know where they came from. And so

2163
01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,080
does a lot of the live or the museum

2164
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:30,239
board. So does Jake. Uh, and right now

2165
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:33,520
we had an intern this summer. uh who

2166
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,639
was, I believe, prompted by a university

2167
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:40,320
professor to question some of this

2168
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,199
stuff. And one of the employees over at

2169
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,760
the museum and Jake are arguing daily

2170
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:47,440
practically about whether there's

2171
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:48,800
something else that should be

2172
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,480
repatriated. As far as I'm concerned, we

2173
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,159
should fight for each thing in our

2174
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:57,120
collections. Uh there is a provenence on

2175
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,199
them. Many of them came back from people

2176
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,920
in this community that either lived and

2177
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,800
worked uh with church groups on those

2178
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:08,000
reservations and brought them back and

2179
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,639
the providence is there for the last

2180
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:13,760
hundred years or more. Uh some of them

2181
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,320
are from missionaries that were actually

2182
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,480
out of the country and they're from

2183
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,320
tribes and things like that. But there

2184
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,800
is a good history on the things we have

2185
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,960
and they don't fall within the purview

2186
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,719
of that act. Uh but I've I've already

2187
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:31,440
expressed my opinions to the museum main

2188
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:37,040
board. Uh we did have a u assessment and

2189
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,000
valuation of a part of our collection by

2190
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,639
Jackson Auctioneers who deal in

2191
01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:45,440
antiquities out of Cedar Falls about 20

2192
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:49,360
years ago when the uh new foundation was

2193
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,000
just getting off its feet. and they

2194
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,080
looked at a lot of our things and there

2195
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:58,639
was never any anything said or hinted

2196
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:01,440
that we had things that

2197
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:05,520
needed repatriation in any way. So, um,

2198
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,679
I just want the council to be aware if

2199
01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:09,600
you hear something from somebody either

2200
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,719
on the museum foundation or the museum

2201
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:16,080
board about things being questioned over

2202
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,639
there that my position is going to be

2203
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:21,040
with them each time that if you think

2204
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,560
there's something that should be

2205
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,760
repatriated, you prove it because we've

2206
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,199
got information that's been indexed for

2207
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,360
years. Now we have a computer indexing

2208
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,639
system for the last 10 or 15 years and

2209
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:37,280
it's it's better than the cards but the

2210
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,719
cards are a good history. So u I want

2211
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:43,920
you to be aware of that. It's called the

2212
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:45,760
NAGPRA

2213
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,920
u federal law about repatriation of

2214
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,280
things that are Native American and we

2215
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,239
haven't violated it. And

2216
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:58,320
>> doesn't it talk a lot about the things

2217
01:25:58,320 --> 01:25:59,760
that are actually stolen,

2218
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:00,880
>> right?

2219
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,159
>> It's not stuff that

2220
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:02,560
>> Yeah.

2221
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,800
>> we got in a in a good way.

2222
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,760
>> Yeah. I know from past experience when

2223
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,920
they were having the uprisings with the

2224
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,920
American Indian movement back in the

2225
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,560
early 70s. They did steal things. There

2226
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:21,520
were real artifacts from some of the u u

2227
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,560
plains Indian history that were taken

2228
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,520
from places that uh they were

2229
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,560
showpieces. Uh and some of them

2230
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,040
eventually were recovered. Some of them

2231
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,960
there were felony charges brought

2232
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,719
against people that took them. Some of

2233
01:26:36,719 --> 01:26:39,760
them are very valuable. But that's not

2234
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,000
that I'm saying what we have upstairs in

2235
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,840
our museum isn't valuable, but it isn't

2236
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,400
from those thefts and it isn't from that

2237
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:49,280
background.

2238
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:49,679
>> Yeah.

2239
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:52,080
>> So, I want you to be aware of that. You

2240
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,920
probably hear some more sometime out of

2241
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,080
some of the museum people.

2242
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:00,000
>> Uh, second thing, uh, Penny Lane

2243
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,880
building. Um, a totally different

2244
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,600
subject, but Doug and I and uh, Holden

2245
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,239
were part of a walkth through of the

2246
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:12,719
second floor uh, a week and a half ago.

2247
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:15,199
Uh, yesterday afternoon there was a

2248
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:22,159
walkth through of the first floor. Um, I was not able to attend that. I was um

2249
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,960
away at some appointments, but I did

2250
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,239
talk with Holden who was there. Uh, he

2251
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,159
said that it's sort of like the second

2252
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:33,520
floor. Second floor is about 80% worked

2253
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,080
on to the point where you would be

2254
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:40,159
comfortable if those parts that are

2255
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,880
worked on were leased out again. There

2256
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,120
is one part of it that's got open

2257
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,840
ceilings, exposed floors that need to be

2258
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,679
redone. Uh some wall work that the wall

2259
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:55,600
is ripped away from the uh I guess the

2260
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,760
plaster L and so forth and there's

2261
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,400
visible insulation and things like that.

2262
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:04,480
I would say 20% of that second floor is

2263
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:07,280
still in process, but there's been a

2264
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,199
considerable amount of work done up

2265
01:28:09,199 --> 01:28:13,520
there that you can see. Uh and it's good

2266
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,320
looking actually. I think would that be

2267
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,280
fair, Doug, that it's it's not bad

2268
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,800
looking. Uh the first floor similarly

2269
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,159
there are parts of it that uh from what

2270
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:29,120
I'm told by Holden uh they're equivalent

2271
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,960
to the second floor. U they don't have

2272
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,960
some of the problems as far as wiring

2273
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:36,800
that the second floor still got open

2274
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,800
outlets and things like that. But uh

2275
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,840
probably when um our uh code enforcement

2276
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,960
officer goes through Weston McKe's list

2277
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,600
of about 20 things up there, we were

2278
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:53,360
expecting at least a dozen of those

2279
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:56,080
things to have substantial work on them

2280
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,120
by the owner uh before we considered any

2281
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:01,760
tenants. Again, I think we're at a point

2282
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,080
where if we say get that norththeast

2283
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:10,080
corner, uh about 20% of the work in

2284
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:16,320
there up to standards with the other things on that floor and we'll

2285
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,239
probably sign off on you doing some

2286
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:21,840
tenants upstairs. Uh the first floor

2287
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,120
similarly, [snorts]

2288
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,520
uh the first floor uh seems to be in

2289
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,440
pretty good shape and could be used for

2290
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:29,520
some business places again.

2291
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,920
The basement isn't

2292
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:36,639
u and the basement that building has a

2293
01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:40,159
um sandstone foundation I guess is the

2294
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:44,159
way I would say it seeps uh moisture

2295
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,400
gets in. There are places in the

2296
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,159
basement that there's water on the

2297
01:29:48,159 --> 01:29:50,880
floor. Uh that's something that there

2298
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,159
are procedures you can use to seal the

2299
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:56,800
walls and there's procedures you can use

2300
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:00,239
to dehumidify the place but it's

2301
01:30:00,239 --> 01:30:03,280
something that needs to be required

2302
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,760
probably more specifically in what we go

2303
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,560
back next October 15th we've got a

2304
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,560
review hearing up in the magistrate

2305
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:14,000
court on our infraction case about that

2306
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,920
which we have six or seven remedies

2307
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,639
under. I would expect that those things

2308
01:30:18,639 --> 01:30:21,199
and [snorts] Adam Meltter describing

2309
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:24,239
them is probably going to put u the

2310
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:26,480
owner, Miss Welch, in a position where

2311
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,480
she either has some explanations about

2312
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:31,040
what else she's planning on getting done

2313
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,320
right now or we're going to have to tell

2314
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,360
her. I think that if you can't get it

2315
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,840
done in a certain amount of time, we

2316
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,679
don't want that building to digress to

2317
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:46,960
have something else happen. now that as

2318
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,000
much of it is looking like it's improved

2319
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,679
as is looking improved. So, um that

2320
01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:56,480
would mean us saying to her, we have the

2321
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,719
authority under the civil infraction

2322
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:01,199
ordinance we have and that the state

2323
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:04,320
provides to say if you're not going to

2324
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,639
get it done by a certain time, we'll go

2325
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:08,719
in and finish the job in those areas

2326
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:11,120
where there's something remaining. And

2327
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,639
at that point, if we do it, it will be

2328
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:17,120
an expense to you. It will be a judgment

2329
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,239
against you. And we do want to make that

2330
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:23,040
building so that it's useful again. It's

2331
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,360
a dead spot on the corner of the square

2332
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,840
right now. And it doesn't need to be.

2333
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,920
There's there's a lot of potential in

2334
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,639
the inside of that building. Uh and I

2335
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:34,239
think you agree with me, don't you,

2336
01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:37,600
Doug, that it's uh right now almost

2337
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:38,239
there?

2338
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:39,520
>> It's almost. Yeah. Yeah.

2339
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,199
>> Have we had a structural engineer look

2340
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:42,880
at that? Look at the basement.

2341
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,400
>> We didn't have a structural

2342
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,719
>> make sure that the that's not going to

2343
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:47,679
fall down.

2344
01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:50,000
>> We had a professional engineer that's

2345
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,960
also an appraiser look at it.

2346
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:53,679
>> Inspector.

2347
01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:54,960
>> Yeah. Well, I remember we had an

2348
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,400
appraiser, but I didn't know if we had a

2349
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,719
structural [snorts] engineer review.

2350
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:00,960
>> He's a certified engineering appraiser,

2351
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:01,520
I believe.

2352
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:02,400
>> I believe so.

2353
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:02,719
>> Okay.

2354
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:03,360
>> Yeah.

2355
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,920
>> Okay.

2356
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,159
>> So, yeah, we we we [clears throat] did

2357
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:09,600
that. Um I think Adam Meltchure um when

2358
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,560
we get around to the midocctober hearing

2359
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,480
we'll try to talk to you. That will be

2360
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,159
the same week as our next council

2361
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:16,560
meeting.

2362
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:17,360
>> Okay.

2363
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:22,560
>> Uh another thing is uh we had an

2364
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,840
incident out at the airport. Bob Lions

2365
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,199
is here with us tonight. Uh Bob, could

2366
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:32,080
you come up to the table a minute? I

2367
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,840
want to talk this over a little bit with

2368
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:37,600
the council. Um, it's a situation where

2369
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,120
Bob did nothing [snorts]

2370
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,080
but explain some FAA rules to an

2371
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,679
individual that was there with an

2372
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:46,480
ultralight plane. And he pulled his

2373
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:51,120
plane out at dusk. He had it trailered

2374
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:54,560
on the ground of a grass runway.

2375
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,080
Shouldn't have been out on the grass

2376
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,360
runway, but that happened. Bob addressed

2377
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,239
it with him, and the man got

2378
01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:06,000
pretty in Bob's face. and then in Bob's

2379
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,679
uh other assistant to the u fixed base

2380
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:13,280
operator out there, Roger. Uh and the

2381
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,800
guy hasn't let go of this. He's uh uh

2382
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:19,040
right now he's on social media calling

2383
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:23,760
us a bunch of uh people that don't like

2384
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,639
flyers. Uh, and I I I don't enjoy social

2385
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:31,280
media that much, but this is somebody

2386
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:33,920
that I think we could swat like a bug if

2387
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,560
we had to. It's more of a situation

2388
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,880
where I'm not advocating swatting like a

2389
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,440
bug, but Bob, you feel there's a

2390
01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:44,080
justification for a complaint to FAA,

2391
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:44,719
don't you?

2392
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:46,560
>> Yes. And I'm waiting on a call back from

2393
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,480
them. I've contacted them three

2394
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:50,560
different times. Wait, and they referred

2395
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,719
it to at Kansas City's Fisdo office.

2396
01:33:53,719 --> 01:33:54,480
[snorts]

2397
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:56,560
So, I had an incident on Labor Day

2398
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,120
evening. I call the next day of a safety

2399
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,920
issue I felt was a safety issue. And

2400
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,960
I've uh a lot it's a very long story.

2401
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:08,960
It's it's complicated. It's John Doug

2402
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,679
knows and the mayor knows about it. If I

2403
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,040
sat here and talked about it's going to

2404
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,159
take a long time. So, the bottom line is

2405
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:19,199
I feel that we have a safety issue and

2406
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,360
I'm going to have a complaint with FA

2407
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,760
over it, an investigation. I've also

2408
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,360
contacted the TSA. I was threatened.

2409
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,800
I've got the chief of police involved

2410
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:34,400
and uh he won't let it go and I gave him

2411
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,440
every opportunity to fly his ultralite

2412
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,800
in a safe manner at the airport and he

2413
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,719
chooses not to do that. He's made

2414
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:45,840
demands that I give him an access gate

2415
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,600
key that he can go onto the airport

2416
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,320
property and do as he pleases and I

2417
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,280
won't allow it. He's he I have a witness

2418
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,840
that he parked Labor Day evening. He got

2419
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,920
through our gate

2420
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:04,239
um without my permission. He he found a

2421
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:08,080
uh local hanger tenant to let him in. He

2422
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,400
proceeded to drive across the ramp

2423
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,639
across the grass parked next to the an

2424
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:17,040
active runway and unload his ultralight

2425
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,239
fly it. And he called me the next day

2426
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:22,960
and told me that he wanted access to the

2427
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,679
airport with the gate key. I denied it

2428
01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:28,320
and then now it snowballed. He won't let

2429
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,360
it go. He's demanding, he actually

2430
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:34,080
demanded that to Doug that he have

2431
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:37,520
access by the date on 911 at noon.

2432
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:39,120
Otherwise, we didn't know what he was

2433
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:42,080
going to do. Uh he's threatened twice.

2434
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,080
And um

2435
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,040
that that's the long story, the just of

2436
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:50,159
it. And um I will not let him on their

2437
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:52,639
property to do what he he pleases in an

2438
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:54,560
unsafe manner. I gave him every

2439
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,280
opportunity to during business hours to

2440
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,800
pull his truck inside the gate and I

2441
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:06,080
would cone it and he could go fly it. He said there's no way he can taxi his

2442
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,080
ultralight airplane to the grass runway

2443
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,440
to fly it and demanding a gate key and

2444
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:13,760
there's no way I'm going to allow it.

2445
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:16,400
That's that's the just of a long story.

2446
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,400
This has been discussed already with the

2447
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:19,280
commission, has

2448
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:20,800
>> it? Has we discussed it? And we're going

2449
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:27,199
to do we're going to propose a short paragraph to add to the

2450
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,679
ordinance. I've never had this happen in

2451
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:33,199
31 years where somebody has wanted this

2452
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:35,840
kind of access to the airport.

2453
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:37,040
And um I have every [clears throat]

2454
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,320
right through the I've talked to the

2455
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,800
DOT, I've talked to FAA and TS. I have

2456
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,920
every right to m that's my job. I have

2457
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,679
to maintain safety at the airport. That

2458
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:48,400
was my number one thing I wanted to do

2459
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,800
when I came here 30 years ago is safety

2460
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,119
first. That's why we got a gate. We got

2461
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:55,920
cameras. This is really important to me

2462
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,000
that something bad doesn't happen in a

2463
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,679
plane crisis into a vehicle that's

2464
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,360
parked next to the runway because I let

2465
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:05,119
it happen. So, so this is if I if you

2466
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:07,520
have any questions, you can ask or Doug

2467
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,920
knows all about it.

2468
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,320
John knows about it. So, I'm just

2469
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,480
continuing forward with it.

2470
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:17,840
We have a file with this gentleman's

2471
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,520
communications.

2472
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:24,400
We have responses to it. Now he's after

2473
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,360
Freedom of Information Act request of

2474
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:31,280
about three pages, about 60 or 70 pieces

2475
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,679
of information he wants from us, which I

2476
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:36,800
consider personally harassment.

2477
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,600
uh once we tell him what we can and

2478
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:44,239
can't do. Um we'll if he wants to play

2479
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:46,880
that game, I don't want this to be a

2480
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,000
game, but he'll find out what else can

2481
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:53,520
be discovered. U and if FAA gets

2482
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,590
involved, uh we'll imple,

2483
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:00,960
you know, if he's going to throw those

2484
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,440
kinds of stones, there's bigger rocks

2485
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:05,920
that can be thrown.

2486
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,920
So, uh, as far as, uh, Bob, I see

2487
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:14,080
nothing that has been done to this man

2488
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,960
except us try to be polite with him and

2489
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:21,040
explain safety. And, u same way with

2490
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,440
Roger, uh, and the same way with the

2491
01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:26,480
commission. Uh but if if you run into

2492
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,560
some social media about what's going on

2493
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:31,199
out at our airport, the guy makes it

2494
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:33,679
sound like we have just discriminated

2495
01:38:33,679 --> 01:38:36,159
all over the place against him, that we

2496
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:40,480
in some way uh have made it clear to him

2497
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:42,800
that we don't like people coming and

2498
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:46,639
flying in our area. Uh and that uh he's

2499
01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:53,360
a victim. And my impression is I think I heard the word the other day that

2500
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:56,239
narcissism fits everything I've

2501
01:38:56,239 --> 01:39:00,000
described. U and he definitely that but

2502
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,800
he's also pushing the envelope as far as

2503
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,639
he can at this point.

2504
01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:07,840
>> John, I got a question. Um are threats

2505
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,280
something beyond civil infractions?

2506
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:13,040
>> Is there is there an element of

2507
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,320
criminal? Uh

2508
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,080
>> this has also been talked over with the

2509
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:17,840
county attorney's office. And I've

2510
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,000
talked to [snorts] the chief over it and

2511
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,679
we actually had a meeting with this Mr.

2512
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:25,600
Diaz and it didn't go well. I I had to

2513
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:27,520
cut it off and leave because he his

2514
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,440
demands I wasn't going to give in to his

2515
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:33,600
demands and um I have I have every right

2516
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,600
to protect the airport and I will and

2517
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,520
I'm glad I got John and everybody on

2518
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:39,119
board. It's really important that we

2519
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,920
protect our airport and not allow

2520
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,880
anybody that feels that they can get a

2521
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,080
gate key to roam the airport. and uh we

2522
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,679
don't want an accident to happen at the

2523
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:52,639
airport. He has threatened me over the

2524
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:55,280
phone. He said that he you're looking

2525
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:56,960
for a fight. I'm not looking for a

2526
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:59,760
fight. When I was talking to the chief

2527
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,560
and him briefly,

2528
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:04,320
he said it looks like you want to go

2529
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:06,000
toe-to-toe,

2530
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,239
fight toe to toe. And I said, "I'm I I

2531
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:11,199
told the chief and it's on body cam that

2532
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:14,080
he's threatening me again and I don't

2533
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:16,560
want to go toe-to-toe." and I turned and

2534
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:19,920
I left at that point. And um I had

2535
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,360
reported it to the TSA and it's been

2536
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,719
referred to a federal marshall and I

2537
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:29,199
will and I've talked to the FA numerous

2538
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:31,600
time waiting on a call tomorrow on going

2539
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,480
forward with the complaint against him.

2540
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:35,760
>> You're you're talking about the the

2541
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:38,000
grass runway too and I'm not as probably

2542
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,679
knowledgeable in this at all, but it's

2543
01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,199
not just a secondary runway. It's

2544
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:42,880
perpendicular to the main runway, right?

2545
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,560
So sometimes on wind conditions, that

2546
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:46,080
one is the one that you need to use. So

2547
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,440
if there's a vehicle parked on it,

2548
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:48,080
that's

2549
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,080
>> Yeah. It was parked right next to it. I

2550
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,679
have a witness that that

2551
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,679
>> that was flying that seen it there for

2552
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:54,719
over an hour.

2553
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:56,960
>> Parked right next to the active grass

2554
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:57,520
runway.

2555
01:40:57,520 --> 01:40:58,880
>> Yeah. Okay.

2556
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,199
>> For general purposes, it's a nice

2557
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:05,199
amenity. I've had friends that have bone

2558
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:09,199
uh over the years flown gliders in there

2559
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:11,520
as well as the ultral lights

2560
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,920
>> and it's just perfect for those those

2561
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:14,800
types of planes.

2562
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,119
>> He's making it like I'm not allowing him

2563
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:19,280
to fly and that is not the case at all.

2564
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,480
>> That's not the case at all.

2565
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:22,719
>> No, I've given him every opportunity. I

2566
01:41:22,719 --> 01:41:24,719
told him to rent a hanger. I'd let him

2567
01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:27,520
through the gate. He there is there is

2568
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,440
only one way with him and that's gate

2569
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,760
access to the airport to do as he

2570
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:32,480
pleases.

2571
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:33,440
>> Yeah,

2572
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:35,679
>> that's it. That's his demand.

2573
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:38,159
>> We appreciate your steadfastness, Bob,

2574
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:40,159
and you have our full support. So

2575
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,520
hopefully this will be resolved.

2576
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,080
>> I hope soon because it's not good.

2577
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:44,719
>> Yeah.

2578
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:45,360
>> Thank you.

2579
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:46,560
for coming tonight.

2580
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,000
>> Thank you.

2581
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,440
>> Couple other things about a minute each.

2582
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:55,360
Uh, one is that, uh, I was over at board

2583
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:57,679
of supervisors this morning for a little

2584
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:01,280
bit. Uh, we are in the process of

2585
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,639
getting, uh, a resolution by the board

2586
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,520
to approve the Sunrise Trail subdivision

2587
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:10,560
right now as a rural subdivision,

2588
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:12,880
pending the annexation

2589
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:18,560
coming soon. Um, as a city annexation.

2590
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,360
Uh, and that annexation, my

2591
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,920
understanding is the Libertyville Road.

2592
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,080
I've talked to Melanie about this a few

2593
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,639
times. Uh, and she's talked to Aaylor's

2594
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:31,760
a few times. the city development board

2595
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:35,520
is trying to [snorts] um I'm going to

2596
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,119
call it squeeze us as far as things that

2597
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:41,679
we had in the past where we had a few

2598
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:44,960
places in town going down towards the

2599
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,861
south that were islands not a next

2600
01:42:48,861 --> 01:42:48,880
>> [snorts]

2601
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,360
>> uh couple of them along south Maine

2602
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:53,760
couple of them down right west of

2603
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:58,080
Casey's uh and those things have turned

2604
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,080
into situations where they were more

2605
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,159
willing to annex

2606
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:06,000
u in the more recent years. Uh but along

2607
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,880
Libertyville Road, there's I believe 28

2608
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,400
different sites. Uh the substantial

2609
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:15,920
majority of them, a couple short of 80%

2610
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:18,639
have signed pre-anexation agreements.

2611
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:20,560
They got water and sewer at the city

2612
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,280
rate. There's a few of them that haven't

2613
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,040
signed. Becca, I'm assuming they pay the

2614
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,080
uh higher rates, but at those at this

2615
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,239
point, they're the reason that

2616
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:36,320
Libertyville Road isn't next already.

2617
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,719
That's what's hanging fire right now

2618
01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:40,560
with the city development board. City

2619
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:43,199
Development Board instead of letting us

2620
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:45,520
do a standalone annexation on the

2621
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:49,920
Sunrise Trail, uh, with one principal

2622
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,840
owner signing off on it, uh, they want

2623
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,159
the Libertyville Road annexations all

2624
01:43:56,159 --> 01:43:58,480
done with no islands and [clears throat]

2625
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:01,360
they want the Mazden Barn property as

2626
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,159
part of the annexation also, which I

2627
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:05,679
don't think is going to be a problem in

2628
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:08,800
the end on this, but uh, right now the

2629
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,880
city development board is asking for a

2630
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,880
lot more than I think couldn't be

2631
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,280
accomplished in two separate annexation

2632
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:20,320
proceedings and one of them if it needs

2633
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,800
to be could be involuntary the other one

2634
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:27,440
voluntary but we've got 31 to 35 lots of

2635
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:29,280
developable ground right now that could

2636
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,840
be annexed about 3 months ago or

2637
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,639
actually about two years ago except the

2638
01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:38,480
city development board u is holding out

2639
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:40,880
so at this point. We want to get that

2640
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:43,360
done. Melanie says Aaylor is working on

2641
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,119
some other things with them in De Moines

2642
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:48,639
to try to get the development board to

2643
01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,280
say yes on everything. Uh but in the

2644
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,280
meantime, one way or another, Sunrise

2645
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:54,960
Trail is going to have an approved

2646
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:57,920
subdivision and be able to sell lots.

2647
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:00,239
Nevertheless, we have an urban renewal

2648
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:02,480
district down there in revitalization

2649
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:05,760
plan on file and we want to get that

2650
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:09,280
done yet this year. So, uh, there are

2651
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,280
some consequences if we don't. That's

2652
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,920
the other thing that city development

2653
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,280
board, uh, has to recognize at some

2654
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:19,360
point that they're going to shoot this

2655
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,560
whole concept of orderly development in

2656
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,840
the foot if they keep us from doing what

2657
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,840
we want in our urban renewal plan and

2658
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,360
revitalization

2659
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:32,960
plan. So, at some point, uh, I know I

2660
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,600
was talking to Melanie and as far as

2661
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,760
Aaylor's attitude about it, there may be

2662
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,320
a time when we have to shame the city

2663
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,119
development board into getting this

2664
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:45,840
thing done, but that's where we are with

2665
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,480
that. Uh, and I think the board of

2666
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:51,920
supervisors is more than willing to help

2667
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:54,239
us if that's what it takes as far as a

2668
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:56,880
resolution where they do something to

2669
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:59,199
approve the subdivision under their

2670
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:02,159
rural standards. Our standards are

2671
01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:04,639
higher than their standards, frankly,

2672
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:07,199
but uh, doesn't make any difference if

2673
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:09,600
they approve it as a rural subdivision

2674
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,760
while we've got it approved as a

2675
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,639
subdivision also. under our rules, it

2676
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:18,239
should be ready for sale. So, that being

2677
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:21,360
what it is, the only other thing is that

2678
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,360
there was a crowd over there this

2679
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:28,080
morning about dogs and um they were

2680
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,280
talking about our ordinance

2681
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,480
uh and someone caused them to believe

2682
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:37,119
that the city allows people to have at

2683
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:40,080
least eight dogs. And they started

2684
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,000
talking about some people's dogs here in

2685
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,000
town. I told him, I said, "I know that

2686
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:47,360
we amended our animal control ordinance

2687
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,920
so that you can have four animals. We

2688
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,840
have a case right now where we're having

2689
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,480
the judge review it where some people

2690
01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:58,400
had 36 animals. We definitely do not

2691
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:01,360
allow large numbers of animals like that

2692
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:02,880
anymore."

2693
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,280
Uh but some of the folks there in the

2694
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,560
group were speaking in terms of well

2695
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,159
what can we do to get rid of them? Uh

2696
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:14,560
and they were talking about and the

2697
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,159
assistant county attorney was there

2698
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,840
talking with them also. But u you what

2699
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:23,520
does it take to shoot them etc. And uh

2700
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,800
at that point that was talked down and

2701
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:30,639
we just tried to explain we have animal

2702
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:34,239
control ordinances. All of the towns do

2703
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,280
and it usually requires a peace officer

2704
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,159
being present if you're contemplating

2705
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:42,159
anything where the animals dangerous

2706
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:46,880
enough to put out of its misery. Uh I I

2707
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,480
tell you that because I expected some of

2708
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:52,080
them were going to be here tonight to

2709
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:55,360
talk to you. Uh they basically told the

2710
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:57,360
board of supervisors that that was their

2711
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:58,880
plan. So

2712
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,600
>> well and we do know we at least some of

2713
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,880
us have seen the discussion on Facebook

2714
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,000
and um we have done research over the

2715
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:11,920
last year and more so recently

2716
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,239
>> uh about other shelters.

2717
01:48:14,239 --> 01:48:16,480
>> Um you know it used to be that the vet

2718
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,400
clinic would take these dogs for

2719
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,239
temporary if the police picked them up

2720
01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:22,159
temporarily till somebody picked up

2721
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:24,639
their dog. We don't have access to that

2722
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:27,280
anymore. Noah's Arc doesn't do that.

2723
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,760
Heavenly Pet Sanctuary doesn't do that.

2724
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:31,760
That's a whole can of worms for the city

2725
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,920
to pay for some shelter.

2726
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,280
>> You [snorts] have to come get your dogs

2727
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,920
and you got to staff it and it's a huge

2728
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:41,040
budget item and uh right now it's just

2729
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,560
not feasible to do.

2730
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:43,600
>> Yeah, there's

2731
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,760
>> there's not a place in another town for

2732
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,360
us to take these animals. So, um you

2733
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:52,400
know, we just have to you know, people

2734
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:55,679
need to be responsible with their dogs.

2735
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:57,280
That's I can't you can't say it any

2736
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:58,800
other way than that. So

2737
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,960
>> what sanctions do we have beyond the

2738
01:49:00,960 --> 01:49:04,000
fairly modest fines we're talking about?

2739
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,199
We what what have other cities our size

2740
01:49:07,199 --> 01:49:11,040
done to resolve that problem?

2741
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,639
>> Well, some cities do have their own

2742
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:15,440
facility

2743
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:16,639
>> pound like a dog pound.

2744
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:19,920
>> Yeah. But if you talk to them who did

2745
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:21,600
you just talk to Kia?

2746
01:49:21,600 --> 01:49:24,080
>> Yeah. You know, it's an it's a you know,

2747
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:25,520
it's like a boat,

2748
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:26,000
>> you know.

2749
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:29,760
>> Yeah. We we we've talked to the money.

2750
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:31,440
>> It's the endless money pit.

2751
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,159
>> And there are shelters. Municipalities

2752
01:49:34,159 --> 01:49:37,360
often will reserve

2753
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:41,440
a kennel for the city and they have that

2754
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:44,560
resource in their city. We call we

2755
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:48,880
called clear up to De Moine. We're still looking. They're they're

2756
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,600
either full, they're not taking them. We

2757
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,760
have to figure something out. We're drafting a plan. It's going to

2758
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,639
cost us some money, but you know, John

2759
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:02,080
had talked about the 32 36 dogs.

2760
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:02,960
>> Yeah. 36.

2761
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:06,080
>> And they had the Animal Rescue League

2762
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,280
come in and that bill was north of

2763
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:10,800
$40,000

2764
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,920
to have those dogs removed. And then of

2765
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,639
course they're going after the

2766
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:18,719
individuals to collect those funds to

2767
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:21,040
recover that money. you know, the city

2768
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,679
itself can also be in that situation.

2769
01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:30,080
So, yeah, we kind of run down these we do our best to solve these these

2770
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:32,960
issues, but we we absolutely need help

2771
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,560
because there's only so many funding

2772
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,880
streams that we can and we end up

2773
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,360
shifting one project to the next, one

2774
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:42,000
crisis to the next. it would be we do

2775
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,600
whatever we can to plan

2776
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:50,000
but sometimes we are reactive and I've

2777
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:52,000
realized you know I've been here going

2778
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:55,199
on four years now and this particular

2779
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,520
situation happens about once a year

2780
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,199
other than that we have a stray here and

2781
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:01,360
there the owner is found it gets picked

2782
01:51:01,360 --> 01:51:03,760
up but then we have a pack of dogs we

2783
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,719
have 36 dogs or at one point in time

2784
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:09,199
there was there was an issue with horses

2785
01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,119
that the county had to deal Yeah.

2786
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:13,440
>> And you know, so we do have these

2787
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:17,280
issues, but it's hard for us enough to

2788
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:19,119
deal with certain crisis, but this

2789
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,760
becomes a crisis and you know, we do

2790
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,840
what we can to come in and save the day,

2791
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:25,600
but we'll have a plan.

2792
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:27,440
>> Is there anything that we can do to

2793
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:30,960
recruit citizens uh to help monitor

2794
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,760
this? Uh it seems to me that peer

2795
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:39,760
pressure would also be something that we could employ to to help people

2796
01:51:39,760 --> 01:51:42,320
be more responsible. And there are if

2797
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:44,800
you look on social media, there are some

2798
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:46,560
individuals in town that actually do

2799
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:48,719
step in and help. But some of the

2800
01:51:48,719 --> 01:51:50,480
comments that I wrote read on social

2801
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:52,480
media is I've helped and I've helped and

2802
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,719
I'm helped and I'm burned out. I need

2803
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:56,960
somebody else to help me. So, it's just

2804
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:58,560
they they get one person to do it and

2805
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:00,719
they do it over and over and over again

2806
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:05,119
and then again volunteer fatigue. They get to the point to where they

2807
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:06,800
can't either afford it or they don't

2808
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:08,639
have time. They have personal lives and

2809
01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:10,239
it's always somebody else they're trying

2810
01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:14,320
to help and you know that's the issue.

2811
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:17,760
>> Are just go ahead clarity uh um are they

2812
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,380
trying to help someone who is

2813
01:52:19,380 --> 01:52:21,199
[clears throat] not following the rules?

2814
01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:23,599
Yeah, this particular situation right

2815
01:52:23,599 --> 01:52:25,760
now is is that, you know, trying to not

2816
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:28,080
only find these dogs, but then to rehome

2817
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,040
them and they do it often. And, you

2818
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:34,800
know, we have people that we, again, I'm

2819
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:38,000
going to revert back to the the 32 dogs

2820
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:40,560
that those individuals, those dogs were

2821
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,880
seized, but they still have that need to

2822
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,800
have an animal. And then they just have

2823
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,400
more and more and more animals and they

2824
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,560
just collect them and they go right back

2825
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,320
into the situation. Then

2826
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,400
>> what kind of sanctions do we have for

2827
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,440
repeat offenders? What what do we have

2828
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:58,239
any teeth in our ordinances uh to make

2829
01:52:58,239 --> 01:52:58,719
it

2830
01:52:58,719 --> 01:53:01,280
>> we we can issue fines but that that

2831
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:03,599
particular instance uh we were in court

2832
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,840
for a year and a half, two years

2833
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,320
>> and we they agreed to have the animals

2834
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,840
removed. The yard where the animals were

2835
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:15,440
kept was supposed to be restored this

2836
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:19,119
summer. I mean, they were supposed to um

2837
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:22,480
basically bulldoze it out,

2838
01:53:22,480 --> 01:53:27,360
replace the top soil. It stinks. Uh but

2839
01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:30,159
that hasn't been done. And the people

2840
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:33,599
moved to Oscaloosa that were the main

2841
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:34,880
violators.

2842
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,520
>> Uh Iowa Animal Rescue League up in De

2843
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:40,320
Moines uh took a bunch of the dogs as

2844
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,679
you mentioned. Uh most of the problems

2845
01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:46,560
in southeast Iowa,

2846
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,880
you can't find a solution for more than

2847
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,080
one or two animal at a time. Uh there is

2848
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,560
a place called Blue Star Refuge down at

2849
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,360
Bloomfield. You can get one or two

2850
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,480
incorageable dogs in there at a time.

2851
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:02,159
There's another one down at Fort

2852
01:54:02,159 --> 01:54:05,920
Madison, one or two animals at a time.

2853
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:07,840
That doesn't solve a problem like this

2854
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,040
where you need a basically a cattle

2855
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,159
truck to get that many animals moved at

2856
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:19,920
one time. So, uh it's it's not a good

2857
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,239
scenario. We have, I believe, one of the

2858
01:54:22,239 --> 01:54:25,599
most humane and complete animal control

2859
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:28,400
ordinances. It's like nine pages long.

2860
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,520
It's got an animal control review board.

2861
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:35,280
Uh it's got methods for uh impounding

2862
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,280
animals. It's got methods for

2863
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,960
identifying dangerous animals. Uh it's

2864
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:44,400
all there. But if somebody's going to uh

2865
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,199
say that they're going to cooperate and

2866
01:54:47,199 --> 01:54:50,159
then they don't and then they move on

2867
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:52,000
you then they turn up with a bunch of

2868
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,840
animals again. Uh here we go.

2869
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,239
>> That didn't solve the problem. And and

2870
01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:02,560
to sum this up is you have two different

2871
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,480
sides of the spectrum when it comes to

2872
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:07,520
this opinion. You have one side of the

2873
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,840
opinion that says, you know, destroy the

2874
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,000
animals. Get rid of them. Don't care.

2875
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:13,840
Get them out of here. They're a danger.

2876
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:15,679
Then you have the other side that says,

2877
01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:17,599
don't touch those animals. They need

2878
01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,360
help. They, you know, it's not the

2879
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:23,520
animals fault. And I get both sides. And

2880
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,800
so I can tell you from experience that,

2881
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,599
you know, shelters and no kill shelters,

2882
01:55:29,599 --> 01:55:32,320
they get full and they get expensive

2883
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:34,320
quickly and you have to have the

2884
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,040
resources. You know, some shelters, you

2885
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,639
know, they they depend on donated foods,

2886
01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:43,360
dog food, and and volunteers to run

2887
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:45,679
them, those sorts of things. And if

2888
01:55:45,679 --> 01:55:47,280
there's some sort of miniature version

2889
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:50,000
of that that we can we can look at. And

2890
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:54,320
I've been talking to um our our

2891
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:56,320
community resource officer and we're

2892
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,400
coming up with a plan. We'll probably

2893
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,119
introduce something uh to Ways and Means

2894
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,520
for the budget cycle, but this is going

2895
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,199
to take time. But we've been doing our

2896
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:07,040
research and trying to figure out what

2897
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,400
the best way is that that gets the job

2898
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,199
done, but is the least impactful. Is

2899
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:14,000
that helpful?

2900
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,920
>> Thanks.

2901
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:17,840
>> Let's move on. I don't want to talk

2902
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,560
about dogs. be responsible owners.

2903
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,960
>> Yeah, that's everything I have now.

2904
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:24,719
>> Cool. Anyway,

2905
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:25,440
>> enough

2906
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:26,480
>> committee. We don't have any committee

2907
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:28,880
and board reports. Uh, administrator

2908
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,239
department reports. There is a project

2909
01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:31,920
report from Melanie. She's not here. So,

2910
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:33,360
if you have any questions, I guess you

2911
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,679
can

2912
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:37,040
>> Marcus, you going to say something about

2913
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:37,760
project report?

2914
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:39,119
>> I'm not here to answer there's any other

2915
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,840
questions on any of our projects.

2916
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,760
>> Yeah. Anybody have any questions? Well,

2917
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,320
I note that the survey as far as Maine

2918
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:48,080
and Burlington safety improvements, the

2919
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:49,760
survey and preliminary plans have been

2920
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:50,400
completed.

2921
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:52,880
>> Yes. Uh, and we plan to bid that this

2922
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:56,000
fall. So, and yeah, we should be in

2923
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,440
construction next year.

2924
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,560
>> So, it's good. Thank you.

2925
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:01,119
>> Right.

2926
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:02,880
>> Let's move on to the SID administrator

2927
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:04,320
report.

2928
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,119
>> I think we've discussed 90% of it.

2929
01:57:07,119 --> 01:57:10,560
>> Okay. We've already talked about it.

2930
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:13,440
Any questions? Huh? Sidewalks. Oh,

2931
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,436
right. I'll turn that back over to Bob.

2932
01:57:15,436 --> 01:57:16,000
[snorts]

2933
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,520
>> All right. Well, um I'm happy to say

2934
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:23,360
that uh I think we only have two

2935
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:27,199
stretches that are not under agreement.

2936
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:29,360
And so my goal is to have all the

2937
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:32,159
sidewalks finished by the end of

2938
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:35,840
October. I got agreement uh on from

2939
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:38,080
Chris Cuffner. We're going to replace

2940
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,360
the entire sidewalk. Asian fa is

2941
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,840
awesome. So that entire sidewalk will be

2942
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:46,880
replaced. You'll [clears throat] go by

2943
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,199
Cafe Paradiso. There's a beautiful pad

2944
01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:51,119
there and there's going to be a very

2945
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:54,159
pretty railing. And um we tore up in

2946
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:55,679
front of John's office today.

2947
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:57,520
>> I couldn't get anybody in my office

2948
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:58,159
today.

2949
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:00,639
>> Yeah, I know. They're coming in the side

2950
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:01,360
door.

2951
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:03,119
>> There's some pain. There's some pain.

2952
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:07,440
Um, but I'm getting a lot of really good

2953
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,679
comments and I'll I'll relay one story

2954
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:14,639
because it demonstrates the seriousness

2955
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:17,119
of this and

2956
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,760
um I have some thoughts. So, I'll I'll

2957
01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:22,320
share those very briefly. Um, gentleman

2958
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,080
called me last week and said, "Are you

2959
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:25,679
the guy who's doing the sidewalks?" I

2960
01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:27,760
said, "Well, I'm part of the team that's

2961
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:30,080
doing the sidewalks." He said, "Well, I

2962
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:33,280
fell down a while ago in front of Lenote

2963
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,719
and broke my hip. I haven't taken any

2964
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:39,199
action in the city." I said, "Well,

2965
01:58:39,199 --> 01:58:41,840
that's, you know,

2966
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:47,199
dearly noted." Uh, but I

2967
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:48,880
it

2968
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,280
it's great that we're getting this done

2969
01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:54,080
and I think this is as important as a

2970
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:57,840
metaphor than it is for sidewalks.

2971
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:02,719
You know, um, I'd like us to think as a

2972
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:06,320
governing body and as individuals, uh,

2973
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:10,000
what what what can we do to not tolerate

2974
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,960
things that degrade our city? my car and

2975
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:15,760
I I went and sprayed him with uh

2976
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:18,239
vinegar. That block between the uh

2977
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:20,080
Chinese restaurant, Fifth Street and

2978
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:23,119
Sixth Street. Took us eight hours

2979
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:26,320
between us to remove the weeds in the

2980
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:30,159
rain. And those weeds were bothering I

2981
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:31,840
mean, I'm as guilty as anyone. Those

2982
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,320
weeds were bothering me for years. But

2983
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:37,520
it looks fantastic now. And it didn't

2984
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,599
look fantastic before. people came into

2985
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:42,159
the city and there was this chunk of

2986
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:48,480
derelict, you know, area. And so I just

2987
01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:51,360
love to

2988
01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:53,440
for us to think about, you know, where

2989
01:59:53,440 --> 01:59:54,880
are the things that, you know, the

2990
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:56,400
sidewalks could have been fixed years

2991
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,199
ago, but it was difficult. But

2992
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,199
when we had the will to fix the

2993
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:04,560
sidewalks, the sidewalks got fixed. So,

2994
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:08,159
you know, um I would just hope that we

2995
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:11,599
could use this in a way maybe even in

2996
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,719
terms of the uh the the you know,

2997
02:00:14,719 --> 02:00:16,320
buildings. We'll we'll have the report

2998
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:20,239
from ISU, but I'd like us to tackle

2999
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:22,400
these things that that significantly

3000
02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:25,520
degrade our town in ways that are not

3001
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:28,239
necessarily always the conventional ways

3002
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:32,159
of doing it. So that but it's it's it's

3003
02:00:32,159 --> 02:00:35,280
a delight to see this happening and it's

3004
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:38,880
a delight to hear people's uh response.

3005
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,440
So I appreciate everyone kind of

3006
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,000
thinking good thoughts about this being

3007
02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,320
completed and we have flat beautiful

3008
02:00:46,320 --> 02:00:48,400
sidewalks. As I've told people, we don't

3009
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,880
have new pants, but we got very neat

3010
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:52,639
patches and they're washed and they're

3011
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:55,840
ironed. So that's that's that's what I

3012
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,960
want. the two top legislative priorities

3013
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,040
that the Iowa League of Cities mentioned

3014
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:02,800
and they're they're an advocacy advocacy

3015
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,480
group for cities. Two top priorities,

3016
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,320
property tax cleanup, that's confusing.

3017
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,719
And they the incoming president ILOC

3018
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:13,040
who was a former state representative

3019
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:14,639
challenged

3020
02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:16,800
um any everyone present to find 15

3021
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:18,880
legislators who could un who could

3022
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:22,159
explain to you the property tax laws. He

3023
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:23,440
says you wouldn't find 15. And if you

3024
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:24,880
find 15, I'm going to give you an award

3025
02:01:24,880 --> 02:01:26,480
and I have time to come up with that

3026
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,440
award because it's going to take you

3027
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:29,679
time to find 15. So that's a that's a

3028
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:32,800
top priority for in terms of legislative

3029
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:35,920
u legislative agenda for the LOC. The

3030
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:40,880
second was sidewalk liability reform. So

3031
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,119
we have of course this Supreme Court

3032
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:45,119
decision in 2025, John's well aware of

3033
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:47,360
it, that establishes while the property

3034
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:49,199
owner is responsible for maintaining the

3035
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:51,040
sidewalk, the city is in fact liable if

3036
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:53,599
somebody is injured. that's a concern.

3037
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:54,800
>> So, that's something that hopefully we

3038
02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:56,480
get some more clarity on this coming

3039
02:01:56,480 --> 02:01:59,119
legislative session. So, I I commend

3040
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:01,840
what you're doing. Uh but, you know,

3041
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:06,159
it's it's will

3042
02:02:06,159 --> 02:02:07,679
money,

3043
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:09,119
>> right? That has to come from somewhere.

3044
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:13,040
>> We have we have the will and the

3045
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:14,639
property owners, the building owners

3046
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:17,280
have come up with the money. And where

3047
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:19,199
they have not come up with the money, I

3048
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,280
have raised money and I will raise

3049
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:24,719
further money. There is one piece that

3050
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:27,840
is not accounted for and that is fixing

3051
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:30,719
curb and gutters beyond the budget that

3052
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:33,840
Joe is going to be handling. And I'm

3053
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,760
guessing that in order to fix all the

3054
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,599
cur all the broken curbs and gutters,

3055
02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:40,239
the little pieces and the bigger pieces,

3056
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:42,719
probably another $10,000.

3057
02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:46,639
So, um, that's something that I'll have

3058
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:48,800
in a much more quantitative way. I'll

3059
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:54,239
have an exact linear footage and if we,

3060
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:56,239
you know, if if we can find some budget

3061
02:02:56,239 --> 02:02:58,800
to do that, it'd be great. If not, I

3062
02:02:58,800 --> 02:02:59,920
will,

3063
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:01,280
>> you know, I can always be put in the

3064
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,560
budget cycle for next year.

3065
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:05,040
>> Well, for next year or or we can find

3066
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,639
that that gets directed towards one of

3067
02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:08,960
the nonprofits that so the city's not

3068
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,639
picking and choosing whose curbs they're

3069
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:12,880
fixing and who they're not.

3070
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:15,840
um property main street. Yeah, property

3071
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:17,360
committee was supposed to address that.

3072
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:19,840
>> Yeah. And and I'm

3073
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:26,880
head of the property committee. The um I I think that if the city is unable to

3074
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,520
do that, then I think that it's

3075
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:31,920
reasonable that I can uh find private

3076
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:32,880
citizens. So,

3077
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:33,679
>> okay,

3078
02:03:33,679 --> 02:03:34,000
>> great.

3079
02:03:34,000 --> 02:03:34,960
>> Your honor.

3080
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:38,719
>> Yes. uh Paul's point about the Supreme

3081
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:43,119
Court ruling putting liability on uh

3082
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:44,639
cities

3083
02:03:44,639 --> 02:03:49,199
uh for our sidewalks. Um,

3084
02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:51,440
if you have a chance to talk to somebody

3085
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:53,679
that's a candidate for Senate or House

3086
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:56,239
of Representatives,

3087
02:03:56,239 --> 02:04:00,400
if you could address it as

3088
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:04,719
the court has given the legislature

3089
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,360
a great opportunity to straighten out

3090
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:10,080
something as far as liabilities. Right

3091
02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,440
now, the statute says that you're not

3092
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:16,880
liable. The city's not liable for

3093
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,520
somebody that slips and falls in the

3094
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:22,960
winter. Ice and snow

3095
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:27,119
um make a sidewalk the adjacent owner's

3096
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:28,960
responsibility

3097
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:34,950
and the city doesn't get that

3098
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,520
consequence when somebody slips and

3099
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,880
falls. Uh, everybody that uh has a

3100
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,840
residence or has a business makes sure

3101
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:46,719
they salt their sidewalks, make sure

3102
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:50,560
they shovel them. Uh, it's just pretty

3103
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,119
much done automatically because people

3104
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,520
know that could happen to them as far as

3105
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,119
liability.

3106
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:00,159
That ought to be the way it's handled on

3107
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:03,199
the other two seasons of the year

3108
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:04,880
besides

3109
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:10,239
cold and colder uh season. So, um, it's

3110
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:12,000
something that the legislature could

3111
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,960
fix, uh, with one part of the code

3112
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:17,920
that's right next to the, uh, ice and

3113
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:22,480
snow um, excuse, so to speak. It's a

3114
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:25,520
legal affirmative defense. It could just

3115
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:28,080
as easily be that way for the rest of

3116
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:29,360
the year, also.

3117
02:05:29,360 --> 02:05:30,880
>> But it is rice and snow. That's good to

3118
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:31,119
know.

3119
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:33,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that that would help

3120
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,760
because right now we don't have any

3121
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:39,360
there's not enough teeth in the thing to

3122
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:41,101
induce a building owner to

3123
02:05:41,101 --> 02:05:42,159
[clears throat]

3124
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:43,679
make sure that their sidewalk isn't

3125
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:46,320
dangerous. But fortunately, we're very

3126
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:48,800
close to not having dangerous sidewalks,

3127
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:52,159
at least downtown.

3128
02:05:52,159 --> 02:05:54,400
>> Okay.

3129
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:57,477
Thank you for all that commenting.

3130
02:05:57,477 --> 02:06:00,070
[laughter]

3131
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,719
» You're you're welcome. You're welcome.

3132
02:06:02,719 --> 02:06:04,000
>> All righty.

3133
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,991
>> How I would take a motion to adjurnn.

3134
02:06:05,991 --> 02:06:07,957
[laughter]

3135
02:06:07,957 --> 02:06:08,320
[clears throat]

3136
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:10,080
>> It's been moved to adjourn public to

3137
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:11,360
speak on this topic.

3138
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:12,719
>> Not tonight.

3139
02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:14,639
>> Let's do it next week. Okay.

3140
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,159
>> You mean two weeks?

3141
02:06:16,159 --> 02:06:18,480
>> Two weeks. Yeah. Two weeks.

3142
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:21,520
>> And uh I'll I'll take a second. Is

3143
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:23,119
somebody got a second? All right. It's

3144
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:24,639
been moved and second to adjurnn. All

3145
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:27,119
those in favor say I. All those opposed,

3146
02:06:27,119 --> 02:06:29,040
same sign. Great. Thank you.

3147
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:30,880
>> Thank you. meeting.

3148
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:34,199
>> Thank you, brother.