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» Yes.
>> Good evening. Today is Tuesday,

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September 8th, 2026 at 7 p.m. I now call
this Fairfield Township Board of

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Trustees meeting to order. Miss Schulz,
will you call the role, please?

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» Trusty Birding,
>> present. Trusty Harkimire

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» here.
>> Trusty Makabe

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» here.
>> Harkimire, will you lead us in the

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pledge, please?
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you, Trusty Harkim.
The first item on the agenda is board

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discussion items A through E. Miss Ley
>> under Moody's rating system. That's the

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first item. Um Shelley, our fiscal
officer, ended up getting a email from

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Moody's asking if we had any reason to
keep our rating since we are debtree. So

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I'll let her to go into it. So, the
email stated that in order to keep our

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rating up, we have to pay $3,000 a year
annual fees. If we'd like to do that, we

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can pay it. If we since we have no debt
coming up, we don't have to keep it.

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» Thoughts from the board?

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» Like to look into that a little bit
more. Um, butler County, aren't they

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debtree?
>> No.

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» No,
>> they're general debtree, but they're not

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totally
>> debtree because I know they have a debt.

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» Yeah.
>> Um I wonder if there would be if we if

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we were to need to borrow again in the
future,

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» we would have to go through everything
to get it back.

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» Would we retain our current debt rating?
>> That I'm unsure of

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» I I'm not sure how that works.
>> I'd be curious to get the answer to

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that.
>> Okay. I can get the answer that

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unfortunately he needed an answer in
seven days like three weeks ago. So I

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told him that I'd get back to him after
the meeting. He keeps emailing me. I

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keep saying I'll get back to you as soon
as our meeting's over. So I mean I can

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find out but did you want to give me
some direction on if we can keep it the

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rating that we will let it go or
something?

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» Like if we did let it go and
we start

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» okay. What if I email you guys that
answer and then since there's no motion

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or anything, can they just email me back
their preference?

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» I mean, yeah, if you're gonna if you're
going to take action on your own, then

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you can get the will separately.
>> Okay.

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» They can't they can't form a consens.
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decision after hearing from you guys if
you'd like.

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» So, paying the 3,000, what does that get
us?

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» Just to keep it up
>> membership.

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» Yeah. Membership to move.
>> Does that guarantee that we'd have the

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same rating anyway? No,
>> but if they check our finances,

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» it's it's uh if they check our finances,
they're not going to give us the same

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rating we have before,
>> right? They they would reevaluate likely

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no matter what,
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it's a membership dues basically.
>> I don't know what it cost.

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» We didn't we didn't have to pay. We
haven't paid as long as we've been long

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as I've been around. So I'm not sure
why. Why do we have to pay now

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» when it goes to zero? Maybe because I
I'm not sure honestly.

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» Maybe it gets paid by the banks.
>> Yeah, that could be. Could be getting

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paid by the banks.
>> We paid it indirectly then.

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» Could we push back on that and find out
why we have to pay now and we've never

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had to pay before? Sure.
>> I'd like to know the answer to that.

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» We probably did. It was just indirectly.
>> You know, just like we're not debtree

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indirectly, we still have obligations
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principal and interest payments. Um, but
yeah, that would that that would be good

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information to have.
Not that I'm looking to go in debt, but

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and I and I wasn't here, I don't think,
when the original debt was taken in the

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Moody's was um we went through the
process. I know that's a it is a

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process, but
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debt because it's based on how much debt
you have outstanding. The $3,000 fee is

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zero debt outstanding. So if it was 50
million or less, you paid 3,000. So I'm

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guessing it got paid through the debt
offering.

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» And I'm guessing that would be the most
we would ever pay would be 3,000.

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» Yes. So I think since we don't have any
more debt offerings, we would have to

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pay it. But I can get those answers and
then I'll just email you all and you can

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give me your opinion and then I'll make
the decision based on what you guys tell

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me. So, if we were to apply to get a
loan, if we go to borrow money,

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» they would rate us on some sort of
>> our current financial

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» our current financial situation, no
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» Moody's rating is,
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» Well, they would give us a rating and
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» for the debt, right? Is that how it
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» Yeah. The better it is, the lower the
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do something like that? Like if we
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that like a 30-day thing, a 90-day
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» I'm unsure.
>> Are you writing all these questions down

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» in my head?
>> Well, she's got the recording.

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» Yes.
>> Well, thank goodness for that.

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» Well, I would be in favor of of cancing
our membership because I don't remember

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getting a membership card and I don't go
to the gym anyway. So,

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I wouldn't want to pay $3,000 to hold on
a rating if we don't have any intent of

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borrowing money. We do need to borrow
the money though. The $3,000 really now

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isn't the issue.
>> Um, one other thing to note, I think Kim

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emailed Andy Broart and asked his
opinion and he said we do not need it.

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» Is that correct?
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» Yeah. Andy Broart said we do not need to
maintain.

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» I was curious what Andy thought about
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» That was the first thing we did since
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it was. So
>> that would have been good information at

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the beginning of this conversation.
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» I just thought of it when I was thinking
we should have asked

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» these questions down.
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» Yes. I'm sorry. You're right. I had
forgot. We had forgotten.

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» I'll second the motion to let it go.
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» Let it go.
>> Let it go. Okay. I'll erase my questions

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and let it go.
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» Temporary road closures. Um, we have
gotten a question recently about closing

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the road
um, up on Tanya Trail and we didn't

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really have a good answer. We didn't
have an application system. So, we came

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up with one. We came up with an
application. We came up with some

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temporary parameters. Um, they wanted to
have like a Halloween

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kind of festival little thing at the end
of the street. So, um, we thought we'd

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bring it to you and see what you guys
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the closure
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» Yes, it would be at the end of the
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» in the rideway.
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» And in the rightway that we're
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» Yes, we are responsible for the rideway.
Let's see.

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» So, we're talking like a temporary
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to have a private event,
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» Yeah. So, like if you have like a block
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I think that's kind of what they're
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» Well, we currently don't have any
policy,

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» right?
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if it says you can't close down a road,
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something up and basically has a
purpose. It has eligible events such as

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neighborhood block parties, culde-sac
gatherings, national night out, business

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grand openings, chamber of commerce
events, community festivals, farmers

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markets, charity walks or runs, holiday
celebrations, car shows, outdoor

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business events, or township sponsored
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And then basically the street
classifications that would it would be

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allowed on
to include residential streets,

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culde-sacs, local commercial streets
owned and maintained by the township,

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streets within commercial developments
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Um, temporary street closures will not
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collector streets, arterials, county
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streets not dedicated for public use.

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Neighborhood notification and approvals.
So, the applicant shall provide written

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notice of the proposed street closure to
all residents, businesses, and property

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owners directed directly affected by the
proposed closure. Notification shall be

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provided no fewer than 14 calendar days
prior to the event unless otherwise

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approved by the township administrator.
So the notification shall include at a

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minimum name of the event, date of the
hours of the proposed street closure,

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location, limits of the closure,
applicant contact information and

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information regarding how questions or
concerns may be directed to the

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township.

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See, neighborhood approval. The township
administrator may require written

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acknowledgement or approval from
affected residents, businesses, or

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property owners where the proposed
street closures is expected to

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materially impact property access,
parking, deliveries, business

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operations, or the reasonable use and
enjoyment of adjacent properties. The

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township administrator may also require
modifications to the proposed event,

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traffic control plan, or closure limits
to minimize impacts to adjacent

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properties as a condition of permit
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And then just different requirements
that the applicant completed

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application, a site map, event
description, attendance, event schedule,

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traffic control plan, proof of
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written permission
um from affected property owners when

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applicable.
See, application should be submitted at

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least 14 days in advance and 30 days in
advance for large public events.

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And then our review process will include
me, public works, fire department,

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police department or others as
necessary.

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And then we will consider emergency
vehicle access, traffic impacts, public

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safety, parking availability, access to
surrounding businesses, event size,

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noise impacts, previous compliance
history, construction conflicts, weather

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related concerns, and then commercial
area requirements

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when events occur in commercial areas.
Applicants may also be required to

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notify affected businesses, maintain
pedestrian access to businesses,

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maintain ADA compliant access, provide
certified traffic control personnel if

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required, maintain customer parking
where feasible, provide additional

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insurance, pay associated costs with
traffic control, police details or

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township personnel when required. Uh
depending on the event, the township may

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require type three barricades, METCD
compliant signage and detour signs.

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cones, certified flaggers, police
traffic control, temporary no parking

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areas or zones. Um, all devices must
comply with a green manual. Um, then it

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goes into insurance
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wanted to.
Um, then it talks about permit

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conditions and if we want it or if we
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So,
What are your all's thoughts on that?

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» I think we need to define what large
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attendees.
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» Right. For what a small and a large
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and township liability.
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probably have to figure out.
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» That's I was
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it, but it's a $5,000 charge to do it.
That's should probably discourage it.

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» I mean, insurance,
I don't know what kind of insurance you

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would get to be in the street.
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» I would be very concerned about our
exposure, especially if we agree to let

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it let it work. But
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to it, but if you're going to if they're
going to have anything that is like an

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inflatable or things they bring in,
those do tend to come with insurance

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requirements because they have workers
and are operators of those kinds of

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things. So, there would be a fair amount
of elements with that with respect to

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insurance and liability.
>> We'd have to be listed as an additional

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insurance so we're protected.
>> Right.

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» True.

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» Okay.

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I don't know if we get this done by
Halloween or not.

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» I did see something up there about the
event schedule, but the is there like a

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time limitation that we want? Was there
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to put a time limit on it
>> or nothing can be after x amount

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whatever sometime

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event schedule.
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don't know if we'd want to say you know
everything needs to be done by 10 before

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a certain time. It has to end by certain
>> end by a certain time. Yeah.

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» That parameter would be
>> between 7 and 8.

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» So we're asking uh staff to put some
more information together and then bring

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it to us for next meeting and we can
decide whether we're going to do it or

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not. That would still give them 14 days
before an Halloween event.

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» Okay. Okay.
>> If it's on Halloween,

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» are they wanting to do a Halloween
thing? I think so.

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» 24th of
>> Oh, the week before.

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» Yeah. I think we're changing our
meeting. Didn't you say

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» I hope so.
>> Yeah.

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Well, I mean, we if they put a policy
together,

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but they submit an application now, it's
still they're notifying us prior to 14

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days,
>> which they've already done. Yeah.

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» Right. So, I think it would still ponder
that. Have you got a copy of the

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application?
>> Uh, they sent it to us via email, didn't

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they?
>> They did.

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» Yeah. You want to fil They filled it
out?

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» Yeah, we came up with an application and
they sent it to us. Well, they filled it

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out.
>> They said we need to get back to our

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board.
>> I'd like to see the application if you

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could send that out.
>> Okay. Are we looking at moving our

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October meeting forwards or backwards?
>> Think you had the conflict, right?

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» I was hoping it would go backwards
>> like to the sixth maybe.

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» No, I'm sorry. Forward
later in the month, whichever direction

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that is.
>> Let's finish this discussion real quick.

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So, temporary road disclosure, you're
going to come up with a a form or a

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policy. Bring it back to us.
>> Okay.

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» Yep. We'll close the gaps of what you
just said.

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» Okay.
All right. Do you want to discuss the It

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wasn't on here, but we should discuss
the October meeting.

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» You're wanting to move it later in the
month.

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» Yes, if we could. Um, and before we
leave that topic, I just want to make

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sure we have the law director's opinion
on it. I don't know if she's seen any or

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all of this.
>> I have not seen it yet.

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» Okay.
>> Oh, did I not include it when I sent it

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out Thursday? I thought I did. Okay,
you gate.

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make sure we have whatever insurance
requirements we put on it.

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» Okay.
>> And we might want to talk to uh Otarma

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and run it past them as well. Yeah.
They're I don't know if they'll make us

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get a special special certificate or
not,

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but could be.

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and and and this event or Halloween
party shouldn't cost us any money.

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Shouldn't cost the township any money.
So if there is a an extra certificate

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that costs us money that needs to be
right by them. Yes.

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» Yeah.

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» Thank you. Sure.
All right, calendars.

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» Yeah, I was hoping we could go from the
13th to the 20th.

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» If that works for everybody or not
available,

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» I'd prefer the 27th. I know that's a
long time, but I'm just might not be

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here on the 20th.

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» That works for me.
>> That's fine with me, too.

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» 27th.
>> Mhm. Is that okay? Would staff to go

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that late in the month?
>> Yep.

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» Does that mess up any of the department
heads have that late in the month?

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» To see if there's anything that
>> we have to have a mountain rates, but

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not till 10:31. So for if something were
to happen,

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» we'd have to meet if something had
happened on that date, we'd have to

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meet.
>> Thank you.

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» Thanks.
>> But I'm good with the 27th also. Yeah,

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we don't have anything on our
>> Usually it's September, but the county

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um got a extension on the mountain
rates, so we won't even have them till

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October 1st.

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» Okay.
>> All right. So, I move to move our

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October regular trustee meeting from
October

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the 13th to October the 27th at 7 p.m.
Is that also a CIC meeting month?

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» I don't have it on there.
>> The CIC meeting month

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» probably or was CC CIC this month and we
just didn't do it? that.

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» Okay.
>> So, we'll have a CIC meeting at

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7 and then we'll go immediately
following into the trustee meeting.

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Will you notify the CIC members, please,
Mr. Goins? Great.

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» At this point, do we have business to
come before the CIC or not?

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» I think so. If we don't have business, I
don't I think we've met the required

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number of times this year, haven't we?
Per the bylaws, I think we're

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» I think it's just one.
>> We've already met once.

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» Yeah.
>> So, I don't I think if there's nothing

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if there's no business need, I would say
let's not meet.

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» But if there is, then we can certainly
the closer we get to it, we could

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certainly make them aware of it.
>> Call the meeting if we need to.

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» Yes. You know, we can. So, as of right
now, there's not a meeting, but we could

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always call a meeting.
>> Thank you for doing that.

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» I have a first. We need a second.
>> I second.

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» Okay.
>> Trusty Birding.

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» Yes.
>> Trusty Makabe.

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» Yes.
>> Trusty Harkcom.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. That motion is approved. We'll

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move on to our next item for discussion,
dispensaries.

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So, in the past, we've brought up at the
last meeting a discussion about whether

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we would want to lift the ban or not,
and I was wondering if you guys have

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given any further thoughts to that. Um,
we did do some research, Chuck and I

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did, and we looked at some surrounding
communities. So

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we looked at Hamilton and they have they
have allowed I guess this year in July

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they repealed the prohibition adopted
new dispensary regulations. Um they you

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they listed as a conditional use in
their B2 district and they do the me

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medical marijuana and the adult use and
then they also listed as a specific use

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in their business plan unit development
district both. And there's certain

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criteria, you know, certain distances
away from schools, child care

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facilities, churches,
one mile away from another dispensary.

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It can't be adjacent to residential
districts, can't be in a historic

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district.
Um, there's landscaping requirements.

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And then they have certain definitions
that they they have a lot of definitions

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in their code. And then we looked at the
city of Fairfield. So, the city of

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Fairfield allows it as a permitted use
in their C3 district and C3A district,

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which is their business districts. And
then the SE, I forgot to look up what SE

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is, but it's like permitted use with
standards and then there are certain

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standards that it has to meet. So that's
their retail facilities, but then they

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also allow cultivation and processing,
testing laboratories, cultivation

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facilities,

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level one, level two, marijuana
processor, medical. So those are all

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permitted uses in their um M2 district,
which is industrial. So and then there's

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also certain conditions um that they
have to meet for that.

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And then where I used to work, Sims
Township, they did it as a conditional

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use and they allowed it in their retail
district and um there's certain

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requirements that you have to meet and
they only but the one big difference is

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they only allow one. So they restricted
it to one cannabis retail unit and then

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there's certain conditions, certain
setbacks.

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um have certain acreage requirements.
And then we looked at

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» I'm sorry that the other two the two
cities

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» permitted it
>> didn't have a number cap.

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» No, they don't have a number cap.
>> Meet the requirements and and they've

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set the requirements. So if you meet the
requirements, they can't stop it.

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» Right. Right.
>> Sims Township is a township, right?

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» Yes.
>> Only one

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» one.
>> What's the population of Sims?

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» 15,000.
>> 15,000. How many square miles are they

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having? You remember?
>> 20 20 square miles.

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» Twice as big as we are.
>> Okay. I didn't mean to interrupt you.

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» So then I also looked at Sycamore
Township and they have they allow it and

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they're as a conditional use and then
there's certain requirements that are

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attached to it like buffer boundaries,
streetscapes, they have sign standards.

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The biggest difference there is they um
make you do a development agreement

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through the CIC, their Sycamore Township
CIC, and then they also restrict it to

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where there shall not be a canis
cannabis dispensary within three miles

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of another cannabis dispensary. So, and
I think when I talked to Greg, he said

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that they was it a cap like there
couldn't be any more than two, right?

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Because of the distance requirements,
the way they set it up geographically

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limited that way.

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So, very similar to Sims, but they
capped it at two basically.

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So,
>> Liberty,

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» I did not look at Liberty. Um, I don't
know. Does Liberty

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» Township?
>> No, Madison doesn't allow it.

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» Township.
>> I don't think you're there.

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» Westchester
administrator. They do not allow canvas.

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» I don't think Liberty does either, do
they? I didn't speak to them.

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» Fairfield Township doesn't either
currently,

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» so
>> I haven't changed my mind on where I

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stand on this.

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» Well, it's not a hill I'm willing to die
on. I just think if we're looking at

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other revenue sources and we have
residents that are

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going to be going to Hamilton, they're
going to be going to Fairfield,

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they're going to be buying their
product, they're going to stay at home

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and on their computer order it online
and go pick it up in Hamilton or into

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Fairfield and they're going to bring it
back and use it.

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So, it doesn't eliminate whether we have
any kind of police issue or emergency

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response issues. Um, so I just think,
you know, if

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» you mean any more than we would from
them going to Hamilton or Fairfield and

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getting it or somebody in Hamilton or
Fairfield getting it and driving through

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our township,
you don't I mean I I don't know the

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statistics on it either, but
>> So I apologize, Trusty Mackey. I wasn't

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following your question.
>> Well, you were saying it it won't affect

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our police and fire any more than it
would if they go somewhere else and get

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it, right? Is that what your point was?
Correct. I would suspect that it

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wouldn't cause any more issues
>> with them using it.

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» Make it a little easier for them to get
it maybe. And again, I didn't mean to

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interrupt you, but how how is the money
they promised us? How is that money

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collected?
>> It's the fee that they pay the state of

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Ohio.
>> All right. It's a sales tax. So, it's

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just like any other fee that gets
collected.

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» Six and a half%.
>> No, it's more than that. It's 36%. And

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then we get a certain percentage of that
36%.

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» Or is it 10% and then we get 36% of the
10%.

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» I think that's what it is. It's 10% and
then you get that.

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» That would still have to be a mighty
large business for us to get a $100,000

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a year or more
out of the

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out of the 3% if we get three or three
and a half% of the sales tax. That's

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just that would be a big number,
wouldn't it? Well, I mean, you know,

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depends on how expensive marijuana is. I
don't I don't have that idea.

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» I don't know that answer.
>> So,

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I I don't know if a prescription or you
go and buy something and it's $100,

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» you'd only get three and a half $3.50
off of it.

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» I don't know. But I
>> But if they do that

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» every other week for a year, one person
like again, I don't have these answers.

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I was basing my opinion off of what
Monroe was collecting and what other

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townships were collecting. And I think,
and if I remember right, I think the

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figure was like either four or $600,000
>> in between. Yeah.

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» A year that they were collecting.
>> 450 to 600 is what this company projects

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to give to us or
>> collect

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» collect for township.
>> Yep.

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» And pay to us. Maybe we need as many of
those as we can get then.

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» Is that a motion?
>> A lot of money. No, it's not.

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Anonymous. Can we find out who who in
Fairfield Township is buying it? Have

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you Let me ask you this. Have you
>> Have you heard Do has anybody in the

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township called you and said, "You need
to push this. We need to get this done."

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» Zero people have asked me.
>> Well, that's I was wondering about that

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because the same with me. A couple of
people that I brought it up and I told

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them where I stood and they said, "We
agree with you." And I'm like, "Okay."

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But it was just a couple people. I just
>> Yeah. I mean, nobody's asked me. We were

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for months and months we've been talking
about how to generate revenue.

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» This is one way to generate revenue
>> without increasing taxes.

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» Great.
>> So that's just my opinion. Like I said,

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it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
No one has come to me and say, "Hey, I

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want you to pass this." Well, other than
the person from the company that called

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» wanted to start his business here,
>> the one started the business called and

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asked. Yeah, that's
>> I said, "Hey, I'll have a conversation.

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I'm not promising anything." So,
>> yeah, that's that's normally who wants

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it. Who's going to profit from
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Yeah. Trusty Harkam weigh in.
>> I'm interested in listening to arguments

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and hearing more, but at this point in
time, I'm not really feeling compelled

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to move forward with this. I might in
the future, but but not now. Okay.

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» But I'm open to hearing more.
>> So, may I ask who you would like to hear

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from? Do
>> you want to hear from these these

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elected officials in these communities
directly or you want

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» I could reach out to them if I so
choose.

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» You want to talk to other townships at a
large township event, other Butler

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County townships? Again, like if you say
no and Trusty M, you say no, it's no and

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let's move on to something else. I'm
just trying to open our minds up to

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other possible revenue sources.
>> I say no.

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And you're a not right now.
>> I'm a not right now. Maybe later.

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» I don't care that. That's fine. So, but
are you a yes now?

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» Am I a yes? If we put it to a vote
tonight, I would say yes

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» because of the money.
Yeah, it it

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you know people always ask me
like about integrity and do you do the

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right thing when people aren't looking
but also do you do the right thing when

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00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,960
people are looking even if it's not a
popular opinion

423
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:52,799
» difficult is it
>> so I think this is what this would be if

424
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:57,039
it's not causing our police chief any
headaches and it's not causing our fire

425
00:30:54,559 --> 00:31:01,520
chief any headaches
>> and the people of Fairfield Township,

426
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:07,600
the residents of Fairfield Township have
that legal

427
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:13,440
um hobby that they have and they're
using and they're they're using anyway.

428
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:18,559
And if it can become a revenue source
for us and it could be regulated, it may

429
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:25,679
and there's no I have no scientific
data, but it may cut down on some of the

430
00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:29,520
illegal purchases and what have you in
our community that are maybe or may not

431
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:34,720
be happening because now they could just
buy it legally and not worry about

432
00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:40,480
buying it from someone in their car in
the Walmart parking lot.

433
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:44,799
You know, could that even help?
So, I don't know. I don't I those are

434
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:50,880
all answers I don't know. But I do know
other communities don't have the the

435
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:54,640
issues of of
higher violence because this is out

436
00:31:52,880 --> 00:32:00,960
there or higher crime because this is
out there and they are bringing

437
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:07,039
significant revenue on a legal
currently legal activity.

438
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Like I don't drink any beer. I don't
drink any alcohol. But I'm okay with us

439
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:16,559
having liquor stores and the state
recovering some money from that and then

440
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:22,880
communities getting money from that. The
casinos, I don't gamble, but the state

441
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:27,440
of Ohio is raking in money with the
casinos and allegedly it's going to the

442
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:32,880
schools.
Allegedly.

443
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:38,080
But we are I mean this this
dispensary person would guarantee us a

444
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,640
certain amount of money
and I don't again I don't we haven't had

445
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:47,600
any kind of document that says what that
amount is as far as we they're

446
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:53,200
guaranteed but again it's it's a revenue
generator. It's something that our

447
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:58,080
safety services don't have an issue with
and

448
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:03,200
people in our community are using a
their legal

449
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,159
right to use. So
>> you're just assuming that or do you know

450
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:09,919
that for a fact?
>> Do I know that for a fact? What?

451
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,159
» That there people in our community
driving to Hamilton to make their

452
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,880
purchase?
>> Well, no. I don't even know if the one

453
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:18,000
in Hamilton's opened up yet, but
>> or Fairfield, wherever. I don't think

454
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,840
that's I don't I don't know that open
yet.

455
00:33:18,399 --> 00:33:26,240
» How about get the information from the
from the business and see what kind of

456
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:29,039
guarantee he'll give us
>> from the business that's approaching us

457
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,559
to have a disc.
>> Yes.

458
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:32,320
» Ask them what
>> how much

459
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,679
» financial guarantee.
>> Okay.

460
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:39,200
» So we don't have this 4 to 600,000
number.

461
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:42,080
» So nail it down a little bit more.
>> I'm I want to know the minimum amount

462
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,919
they're going to guarantee us.
>> Okay. That's fair.

463
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,399
» Then I'll say no. But that's okay. At
least I have some more information.

464
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:52,320
» Well, when we stop communicating,
>> yes,

465
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,880
» we don't move forward. So,
>> nothing wrong with that

466
00:33:53,120 --> 00:34:00,480
» again. And I respect both of your
opinions. And if both of you were no,

467
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:03,200
I'm okay with that. I'm just saying that
>> you're you're a yes and I'm okay with

468
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:08,560
that.
>> I'm just keeping things open. So, thank

469
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:13,040
you both very much.
>> Okay. Next item.

470
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:19,200
» Flock cameras. So, we recently received
a letter um asking us to end our

471
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:23,040
contract with Flock and so I just wanted
to know what you all thought about that.

472
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,079
» We received a letter from a resident,
correct?

473
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:27,599
» Yes.
>> We didn't receive a letter from anybody

474
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,119
in our police department to stop.
>> No.

475
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:35,200
» Okay.
>> Making sure.

476
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:40,800
» So, um I asked um Chief Jabbali to
provide some information which he

477
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,359
graciously did. So, could you just maybe
summarize some of the information that

478
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:49,359
you provided?
>> Well, I have a lot of notes. I'll try to

479
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:52,560
uh summarize it as much as possible.
And I'm just going to read them off

480
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,520
because there's a lot of them actually.
Automated license plate readers or flock

481
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,160
are used by neighborhood homeowners
associations and by businesses and law

482
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:05,680
enforcement.
It relates to crime solving and

483
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:11,280
prevention. Cameras identify and catalog
objective vehicle details such as make,

484
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,320
model, color, and license plate. Alerts
can be instantly sent to police if a

485
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,560
vehicle is linked to an active
investigation or a hot list, for

486
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,839
example, stolen vehicles, wanted
suspects.

487
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,160
As it relates to missing persons, the
tracking capabilities, the system

488
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,560
quickly locating vehicles connected to
Amber Alerts, silver alerts, and

489
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:35,680
endangered children.
As it relates to custom retention

490
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:42,640
schedule, recently Flock uh suggested
only a 7-day retention period. We're we

491
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:48,480
we are going to keep powers at 30 uh for
the following reasons. Uh while recently

492
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:53,680
flock recommends 7 days retention, we
have found that numerous crimes were

493
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:57,119
reported after 7 days
as the crimes are not found by the

494
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,720
complainants, complainants were out of
town when the incident occurred or the

495
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:05,520
complainants failed to notify us for
some unknown reason.

496
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,839
I'm also providing information taken
from our website. Information collected

497
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:15,760
by Flock
includes license plate numbers, vehicle

498
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:20,560
make, model, color, and body style, date
and time of the detection, camera

499
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:25,040
location, direction of travel,
information not collected by flock

500
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:29,520
cameras. The system does not utilize
facial recognition technology.

501
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:35,280
It does not take frontal pictures of the
vehicles. It only takes uh pictures of

502
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:40,240
the back of the vehicle. Hopefully, it
catches a plate. Sometimes it doesn't.

503
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:44,960
Sometimes it catches a partial plate.
Identify drivers or passengers or

504
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:49,200
collect personal personally identifiable
information such as race, race,

505
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,720
ethnicity, religion,
political affiliation, or other

506
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,560
protected characteristics beyond the
vehicle and license plate information

507
00:36:54,640 --> 00:37:01,119
captured in the public view on public
streets. The system is not used for

508
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,480
traffic enforcement such as speed
enforcement or traffic light

509
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:08,079
enforcement.
As it relates to data and security

510
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:13,280
retention, all data collected through
Flock is securely encrypted during

511
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:18,560
transmission and storage. Information is
retained in accordance with departmental

512
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:22,400
policy and applicable law unless
preserved for a criminal investigation

513
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:27,359
or another authorized law enforcement
purpose. Flock data is automatically

514
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:33,040
deleted after the department's
established retention retention period

515
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:38,880
of 30 days. As it relates to policy and
authorized use, access to flock data is

516
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:43,200
restricted to trained and authorized
personnel and is permitted only for

517
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:48,240
legitimate law enforcement and public
safety purposes. All searches and system

518
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:51,920
activity are electronically logged and
subject to auditing and supervisory

519
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:57,200
review to ensure compliance with
departmental policy. Information

520
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:01,920
obtained through Glock
system is used solely to support public

521
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,440
safety, criminal investigations, the
recovery of stolen vehicles, the

522
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:10,880
location of missing or endangered
persons, and other lawful public safety

523
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:15,760
functions. Here are just a few examples
of our successes using Flock. School bus

524
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:20,480
with children traveling on bypass 4
observed a male masturbating in a moving

525
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:26,240
vehicle. The bus camera only caught a
glimpse of a blue sedan. Investigators

526
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,040
used flock to further their
investigation, identified the suspect,

527
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:34,240
and file charges for indecent exposure.
Multiple children on the bus observed

528
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:38,400
him and were exposed to seeing his
genitalia.

529
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,400
A male was observed masturbating inside
the Barnes & Noble bookstore. Subsequent

530
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:48,880
to a thorough followup, his rental
vehicle without estate plates

531
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:53,520
was located by flock. Suspect was
charged and arrested.

532
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Bank robbery at our group was solved via
flock. We have solved numerous hit and

533
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:01,920
run crashes, including the death of a
Hispanic female riding her ebike and a

534
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:08,079
pedestrian hit and run occurring at
Prristen and Roill Cemetery.

535
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:13,040
The majority of our retail thefts are
solved via flock. We have assisted other

536
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,359
agencies in locating critically missing
persons. Uh we have a hot list. Our

537
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,240
patrol officers have made countless
arrest following up on warrants, stolen

538
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:27,280
vehicles uh and vehicles use in numerous
crimes in our municipality or other

539
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:32,400
communities. Last week,
excuse me. The technology allowed our

540
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:36,640
detectives to locate a reporting missing
person. A family member had not heard

541
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,160
from the other family member and the
kids were left behind. Following an

542
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:44,320
investigation, the vehicle showed as
having been on the west side of

543
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:48,560
Montgomery County in the Englewood
Clayton area. Now having an idea of

544
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:55,119
where the vehicle had been, deputies in
that area kept an eye out and the next

545
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:59,680
day or so found the vehicle at a store,
gas station, uh, business. Uh, Flock

546
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:04,160
simply got the detectives and deputies
in the right area

547
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:08,160
to look for the vehicle until they found
it. Recent alerts resulted in officers

548
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:11,920
locating multiple individuals with
outstanding warrants. One of those cases

549
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:16,240
with a driver charged for driving under
suspension. Flock alert helped officers

550
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,320
located a stolen vehicle after it
entered a township. The driver was

551
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,520
charged with multiple offenses and a
subsequent investigation provided

552
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:27,920
additional leads connecting the vehicle
and its occupants to other recent theft

553
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:32,240
offense investigations.
It also assisted in a significant theft

554
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,680
investigation involving approximately
34,000

555
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:40,560
in rental equipment stolen from the
Fairfield Township Home Depot. Although

556
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:44,800
surve surveillance video, I'm sorry,
surveillance v video did not provide

557
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:49,280
sufficient leads for a vehicle plate.
The detectives used vehicle information

558
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:53,040
to identify the rental truck. The
investigation showed the vehicle

559
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:58,960
traveled to Detroit, Michigan the same
evening and later linked the same

560
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:04,880
vehicle sim similar theft in Columbus.
Uh proactive virtual fence uh as it

561
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,599
relates to that they can instantly ping
law enforcement when a flag vehicle

562
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:15,200
connected to an active Amber Alert or
local hot list enters a monitor area.

563
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,160
The mere presence of FL cameras can
deter criminals from targeting

564
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,000
neighborhoods.
Flock systems operate on a ruling

565
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:26,640
database. Data is not sold and is not
automatically deleted in 30 days. The

566
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:31,599
camera do not use facial recognition,
nor do they monitor live streams instead

567
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:36,480
of capturing instead capturing still
images only when a vehicle is present.

568
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:41,200
Individual agencies control their own
data and sharing permissions. Flock does

569
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:46,960
not sell this information and access by
federal entity entities is not

570
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:50,160
automatic. private private users such as
home associations, homeowner

571
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:56,640
associations cannot access law
enforcement database. The Electronic

572
00:41:53,280 --> 00:42:03,760
Frontier Foundation, EFF,
sites in its 2025 review that out of 12

573
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:10,720
million searches across 3,900 law
enforcement agencies, only 48%

574
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,800
of agencies described specific incidents
that warranted investigation and

575
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:21,280
response. in essence a administrative
review. That doesn't necessarily mean

576
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:27,760
that uh personnel were found um to have
violated policy. It just means that it

577
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:31,760
warranted a review. 48% of 12 million
searches. It's not a pattern that

578
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,920
reflects negatively on how the system
operates across thousands of

579
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:39,599
jurisdictions.
Agencies with strict enforceable

580
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,760
policies do not encounter these issues.
Technology abuse occurs in the private

581
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:48,880
and public sectors depending on a
technology. These abuses are dealt with

582
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:54,880
criminally or administratively
as it relates to case law. Carpenter

583
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:59,440
versus US and Chatry versus US. Please
note the following. License plate

584
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:04,079
readers and settler location tracking
are legally distinct. Courts have

585
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:09,040
consistently ruled that automated
license plate readers flocks

586
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:15,440
are not mass surveillance. In the same
vein as carpenter and chatri

587
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:20,000
flock captured captures point in time
public records whereas cell phone data

588
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:24,720
constitute highly invasive continuous
tracking of a person's private life.

589
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Safeguards and oversight are built into
the system. role-based access controls,

590
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,359
audit logs, retention limits, and
case-based research are designed to

591
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:37,040
constrain use, support lawful
investigations, and balance public

592
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,960
safety benefits with civil liberties
protection.

593
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:45,680
Uh, as it relates to public expectation
of privacy, exterior vehicle movements.

594
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:49,920
The fourth amendment does not protect a
person's movements in public spaces or

595
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:54,720
the exterior of their vehicles.
Capturing an image of a license plate on

596
00:43:51,760 --> 00:44:00,560
a public road is not a search.
Unlike settler tracking and both

597
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:05,440
carpenter and uh ch chatri which ruled
on geoence warrants, the supreme court

598
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:09,119
focus on continuous intimate tracking of
a person's location. License plate

599
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:15,359
readers do not track individuals but
photograph point in time locations of

600
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:20,640
public facing vehicles.
As it relates to flock system and data

601
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:27,359
ownership, searchable, not retrospective
tracking, flock safety are not used to

602
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:32,560
constantly map an individual's life.
Instead, law enforcement searches them

603
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:37,440
retrospectively using specific objective
data like a partial plate or a full

604
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:42,400
plate or a vehicle description during an
investigation. Commercial restrictions.

605
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Under Ohio law, private companies like
Flock System are prohibited from

606
00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:49,920
commercially selling flock data. In
contractual agreements with law

607
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:55,920
enforcement, flock enforces strict
limitations prohibiting the sale of or

608
00:44:54,319 --> 00:45:01,040
monetization of sensitive law
enforcement data.

609
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:05,760
Unlike cell phone tower dumps, which
sweep up personal tracking data for

610
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:10,160
thousands of innocent bystanders, Flock
operates by sending hot lists. Courts

611
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,680
have also uniformly held that there is
no reasonable expectation of privacy on

612
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,680
public roadways. The vast majority of
images captured by Flock are not used

613
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:23,319
for any investigation and are
permanently deleted at regular intervals

614
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,319
without ever having

615
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:31,040
been accessed.
Today we received a public records

616
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:37,200
request. Uh we have a link that ties
into our internet and you can get any

617
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:41,680
kind of information that you uh desire
other than an active investigation. We

618
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:47,200
cannot reveal that information. It
includes if you go to our website

619
00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:51,040
audit reports, usage reports, contracts,
policies, other related documents

620
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:56,240
provided with any necessary redactions
made in accordance with the Ohio Public

621
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:59,760
Records Act. And again, our redactions
are limited to confidential law

622
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:04,400
enforcement investigatory records. You
may have heard the term clear before and

623
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:10,800
other information that could identify
individuals, officers, license plates,

624
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:15,440
vehicles, or other protected uh types.
What's in our uh synopsis of what's on

625
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:21,040
our
uh website? flock safety technology, how

626
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:26,160
the system works, information collected,
data, security and retention, and it's

627
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:30,640
got a myriad of
paragraphs that um are under these

628
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:35,440
headings, privacy and authorized use,
additional resources.

629
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:40,880
Uh as far as who's what's detected,
license plates, and vehicles, it is the

630
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:46,720
rear. It does not take frontal pictures.
Uh, no facial recognition. Uh, people,

631
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:52,319
gender, race. Data is used for law
enforcement purposes only. Data is owned

632
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:56,880
by Fairfield Township Police Department.
Never uh sold to third parties, uh,

633
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:01,680
immigration enforcement, traffic
enforcement,

634
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:06,880
harassing,
harassment or intimidation, usage,

635
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:11,599
basolium protected class, all
prohibited. All those all those things

636
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:13,680
you're reading now on our website.
>> Yes, they are.

637
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,160
» Okay. So, anybody who wants to see that
can go there and get it,

638
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,160
» right?
>> Yes. All you have to do is uh go to our

639
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:27,359
website, go to the police department,
and you can find uh flock camera system.

640
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:37,920
I just looked it up today. Uh it would
have 30 days and uh 13 cameras. Uh we

641
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:41,960
have looked at 330,000. Well, the
cameras have taken 330,666

642
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:52,160
during the last 30 days. This is
outdated by about a week. 1838

643
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:58,400
uh were total hits
and uh 122

644
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:04,560
total user search sessions over the last
30 days. Our policy is listed there.

645
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:10,960
When conducting investigative queries
into a flock database, a requester is

646
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:15,280
required to enter either a case number.
Uh when available, a CAD run number or

647
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:22,000
label the search investigation with
additional specificity. When a case or

648
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:26,440
number have yet to be established,
uh I did also a search of

649
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:32,240
the types of all fences that have been
searched.

650
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:36,720
Uh, as you can well imagine with all the
retail

651
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,400
um department stores that we have,
lararseny and theft offenses

652
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:49,520
115 for 26%.
Wanted persons arrest warrant fugitive

653
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:54,160
113 25%.
Missing endangered persons runaways

654
00:48:51,920 --> 00:49:02,880
21.7%.
Motor vehicle theft 7.2

655
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:08,079
hit and run 6.3. assaults 2%. It all it
runs down uh we have welfare checks,

656
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:13,280
welfare checks, driving under the
influence

657
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:16,280
and that's all again part of the uh
website

658
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,319
and I apologize for taking so much time
but I had one shot and

659
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,599
» thought I'd go ahead.
>> That's over.

660
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:32,880
» Thank you. I appreciate that.
And that's basically it. Uh if you have

661
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:37,119
any questions, uh the main thing also to
remember which I know has been brought

662
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:42,640
up before that there have been police
officers who have abused the system. It

663
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:47,760
has happened. Uh that number is minutia
compared to how many lawfully do it.

664
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:52,160
What I want you to consider is that
really the only agencies in a

665
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:57,040
municipality, whether it's a city, a
county, or a township, that do internal

666
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:02,880
investigations significantly are police
departments. Uh we clean the trash out

667
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:09,680
and someone would be fired for abusing
uh that system. So, you've seen officers

668
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:14,880
not locally
that have uh

669
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:20,640
that that that have uh access their
girlfriends,

670
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:25,359
current or ex-wives or both. Uh on
flock, as far as I can tell, everyone's

671
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:30,559
been fired.
And any technology has

672
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:33,280
uh its ups and downs. Uh in essence,
when you log in, it's like a

673
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:39,119
fingerprint.
uh they are tied to a case and without

674
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:46,079
this technology we would be hardressed
to be as successful as we have been.

675
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:51,920
» Thank you.
>> So just to be clear there's been no

676
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:56,400
Fairfield Township officers invest even
investigated for illegal or improper use

677
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,960
of the flock system.
>> No none whatsoever. And when we issue

678
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:05,599
out the policy, uh, they have to review
the policy and sign off on the policy.

679
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:10,160
So, and it's on the our policies on our
not our website, but on on the internet

680
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:15,920
and they can review it all the time and
it's there.

681
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:22,920
» And all of our neighboring communities
are continuing its use.

682
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:22,920
» Yes, they are. None have stopped.

683
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:31,440
So, we would not be a safe haven for
criminals in Fairfield Township if we

684
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,040
were to get you rid of it.
>> That's one or rejections.

685
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:36,040
» Yeah.
>> Yes.

686
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:43,880
» Are there any other questions for the
police chief about cameras?

687
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:50,559
» Thank you for providing all that
information for the public and now they

688
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,359
can view it on on our meetings. If they
have any questions, they can reach out

689
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,960
to the police department.
>> Yes. Okay.

690
00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:00,720
» Thank you.
>> Great. Thank you. Okay. Our final item

691
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:04,640
for board discussion, item E, it's the
country country music festival. Miss Le

692
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,800
Pensy.
>> Um, recently we found out last week that

693
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:14,240
we were that the music festival was
being moved from the VA to the fair the

694
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:20,160
fairgrounds. So, we've not been
contacted by anyone, but we just wanted

695
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:23,920
to make you guys aware and um that we
should probably start planning for our

696
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:28,280
eventual
uh participation in the event.

697
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,880
» So, could you go in a little bit more
detail about what you mean by our

698
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,079
participation in the event, our
requested participation?

699
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,079
» Well, no one's really
>> No one's really requested us and no and

700
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:45,920
we're not required to do it. It's a
special event. It's a special event

701
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:48,240
that's being put on
>> by

702
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:51,680
» in the open field,
>> the fair board

703
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,680
» just just by the city of Hamilton,
>> right? It's

704
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:59,040
» all the roads are in Hamilton or
all the roads are in Hamilton.

705
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,280
» So, the traffic's going to be in
Hamilton.

706
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,160
All of that,
>> but there's going to be traffic coming

707
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:13,040
from everywhere. But anyway,
>> well, I I might have told you, but we

708
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:17,040
can set up the U DUI stand on Route 4
and we'll just take them off,

709
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,280
» make some money.
>> Well, more or less. So, this event is

710
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:26,800
happening approximately 11 months from
now.

711
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,680
No official from the fair board, from
the county, from the prosecutor's

712
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:35,440
office, from the sheriff's department or
anything has officially reached out to

713
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:42,160
me or to the administrator or the
physical officer about host or you

714
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:47,040
hosting this event. And so to my
understanding by watching the news

715
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:52,880
conference and I was able to read theou,
thank you channel 5. I'm sure you're

716
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:57,040
watching. But they they posted the theou
or the contract online and I read it.

717
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,800
Nowhere in the document is it mentioned
that Fairfield Township will be

718
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,040
responsible for anything or be asked to
provide anything. Nothing in that

719
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:11,520
document right now. So as as far as I'm
concerned, it is the city of Hamilton

720
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:16,000
and the fair board. It's their event.
Now is it taking place inside of our

721
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:20,800
borders? Yes.
But but it's their event and they're

722
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:25,280
responsible for everything associated
with it. Now, if they start asking for

723
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:30,079
our help with resources, then we can
have those conversations about

724
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,119
maybe our employees work directly for
them or what have you off duty, those

725
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:39,040
types of questions. But as far as I'm
concerned, no one has reached out to me

726
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,400
or this board
>> collectively. I did receive a phone

727
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,720
call, right,
>> the Friday shortly before the press

728
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,200
release or before the presser that they
did.

729
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,440
» Um, and they advised me that that was
happening,

730
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:54,240
» right? But they have not asked us
formally to

731
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:56,319
» enter any kind of contracts or provide
any kind of services.

732
00:54:55,359 --> 00:55:01,119
» Nope.
>> So, as far as I'm concerned, it's their

733
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,040
event. It's happening. If they ask for
help, then that's a conversation to have

734
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:06,480
later.
>> Have they asked the fire chief or the

735
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:10,800
police chief? I
>> I have no working knowledge of that.

736
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:17,760
They asked me if I wanted to participate
in a meeting two Fridays ago. I was on

737
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:22,839
vacation and I said no and they said
that that was fine, but nothing else was

738
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:22,839
exchanged.

739
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:31,800
» I agree with you on the stairs.
We're not hosting. We're not sponsoring.

740
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:39,040
And I don't I don't think I don't think
I know we don't have the staff to cover

741
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:46,400
it. So,
>> right. But if they if the event itself

742
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:48,480
» hires our personnel on offduty type
situations,

743
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,119
» no nothing to do with that.
>> We that's beyond our control.

744
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:55,920
» Right. Right.
>> As long as it doesn't take our our staff

745
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,839
off of their regular schedules,
>> right?

746
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:02,400
» Because they can make a whole lot more
money off duty.

747
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:06,799
» Right. So more or less this conversation
was to take place to inform the public

748
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:10,640
that we have not entered in any kind of
agreement. No, no one from the fair

749
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,559
board has called to us say, "Hey, we
need your help doing this event." And so

750
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:19,599
as far as this board is concerned
officially, we have had no notification

751
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:23,599
that they want any of us to participate
in this event. And if that does happen,

752
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,000
we will bring it up in a meeting and
we'll have discussions about it

753
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:32,960
publicly. But as of right now,
everyone from the township should go to

754
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:35,760
the event and have a good time,
>> right?

755
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:41,040
» Be careful driving up Route 4. Set up
the block blockade,

756
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:45,040
» the DUI checkpoint. So, I just wanted to
be clear. There's been some confusion.

757
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:47,839
People that live near me have asked me,
"What do you know about that?" I'm like,

758
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,280
"Thanks for telling me because I didn't
even know it was even going on." So, I

759
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,680
just want to make that clear.
>> I mean, I do like country music, but I

760
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:59,359
will not be attendant.
I may attend. I don't know.

761
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,960
» Could be.
>> Might be fun. So, should we not

762
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:07,839
participate in any kind of meetings
whatsoever until they contact us? Like,

763
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:11,680
is that your official stance or
>> I think we need to be proactive and know

764
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,040
what they're doing. I think we need to
understand what they're doing so that if

765
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:19,440
there is something that comes up that
impacts the township that we're not

766
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:23,760
caught off guard and it might be that we
aren't asked to do anything except in

767
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:27,839
like a capacity where our officers could
be hired on their own accord. That's one

768
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,920
thing but I think it would behoove us to
pay attention to what they're doing and

769
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:34,559
get involved.
>> I agree with Trusty Harkimire. we should

770
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,720
at least know what's happening since it
is happening within our borders and and

771
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,440
to be part if we're invited to
discussions by all means go and and be

772
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:48,880
part of those meetings. But if they go
to make an ask of Fairfield Township, no

773
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:52,559
promises can be made to say, "Okay,
well, I'll take that to the trustees and

774
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:54,240
we'll have that discussion."
>> Okay.

775
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,000
» But yeah, I think it's a good idea to be
informed about what's going on in case

776
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:00,480
they try
>> without obligation. Yes. And I I would

777
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,599
like to know of any of those meetings
because I'm you know I might be able to

778
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,040
squeeze that meeting in so I can get
there

779
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,720
» as long as it's not on the 13th.
>> Yes. Okay.

780
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,040
» Then one of you have to go.
>> All right.

781
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:16,240
» Well, we had scheduled a meeting
tomorrow with uh Westchester Township

782
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:20,319
about like what have they learned? What
should we know? What should be we we be

783
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,920
aware of? So it's tomorrow at 1 if you
would like to attend.

784
00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:27,760
» I'll cancel that.
I'm interested in learning what the best

785
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:31,359
practices are and maybe some things that
needed to be changed or improved because

786
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:36,160
I don't want to go into this blind.
>> Why Why did Westchester get rid of it?

787
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:39,200
» These are all things that we're going to
>> You know the answer. Go ahead. Put it on

788
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:44,599
the record.
>> People can read the headlines. I don't

789
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,599
need to repeat it.

790
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:53,720
» Okay. Any other
any other business under discussion?

791
00:58:53,920 --> 00:59:00,400
Okay, we'll move on to communication.
Does anybody need to take a break?

792
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,000
Everybody good? I'm fine for a minute.
Okay.

793
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:07,280
» All right. Uh, this is the portion of
the meeting where you, the residents of

794
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:11,680
Fairfield Township, are invited to share
your thoughts with the board. Please

795
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:15,599
know that this time has been set aside
from the board to listen to you. Your

796
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:20,319
comments are valued and will be taken
into careful consideration.

797
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:26,240
The board will not engage in dialogue at
this time. Presentations are limited to

798
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:31,760
three minutes each. We have two people
that uh signed up this evening. The

799
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:35,119
first is Jason Pervian. Got it right
that time?

800
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:38,480
» All right.
>> Fourth fourth fourth times the charm.

801
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:41,440
Jason,
please uh state your name and your

802
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:46,880
address for the record, please.
>> Yep. Jason Piance, 3606 Milicanin Road.

803
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:50,240
There's a lot on the agenda tonight. I
only have three minutes, so I'm not

804
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,319
really going to get into much detail on
any of them.

805
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:54,319
» I'm not I'm having trouble hearing you.
Is the microphone on?

806
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,160
» Yeah.
>> Is that better?

807
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:02,160
» Yes, that's better.
>> All right. Um, yeah, the country music

808
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:09,280
festival. I understand that was dropped
on everybody's lap, surprised. Uh, which

809
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:13,680
I think it could be great long term. Um,
I think everything you guys said up here

810
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:19,200
is a lot of the concerns that most
people have. Um,

811
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:23,839
I hope this goes off well, but we'll
see. Um,

812
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:28,720
as far and I definitely hope that you
guys stay in touch with them and kind of

813
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:32,960
steer the ship and don't just sit back
and and

814
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:37,839
let them dec whoever them is. Let them
decide how what kind of involvement they

815
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:41,920
want us to have as a community. U,
there's going to be a lot of traffic

816
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:44,960
driving through the township. So, I
think that definitely needs to be

817
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:50,000
addressed.
um the sidewalk policy that you guys

818
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,119
will be talking about later on. I
understand that we need to have

819
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:58,400
something on the books to keep our
community in good standing. Um I just

820
01:00:55,040 --> 01:01:02,640
ask that you do the same for roadways.
Um specifically

821
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:07,359
um was it Anchor Drive and Albert's Way
in front of Walmart and Kohl's. I know

822
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:13,119
that is not a road that the township
takes care of the development that owns

823
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:18,640
that area, but that road is
not fun to drive on. So, if you guys

824
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:21,760
understandably so hold citizens
accountable for the condition of their

825
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,559
sidewalk, please hold those developers
to the same con

826
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:32,079
um going to vote on the data centers
later on for a six-month mortorium. I

827
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:39,040
think that's an easy yes. Um, I did send
you guys um,

828
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:43,200
a bunch of ideas for a supplement for
data centers. I just wanted to know if

829
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:48,559
you guys had any questions on that.
Anything that I could elaborate on,

830
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,720
obviously not here right now, but just
at a later time, you know, if you guys

831
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:56,079
have any questions, please let me know.
Um, for dispensaries, you said you

832
01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:03,440
haven't had anybody ask you to pass
this. Well, here I am. Please enact or

833
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:10,240
in the moratorum. Um I get drug tested
at work. I can't partake. Um but for all

834
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,720
the reasons you um had mentioned Trusty
Birding.

835
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:21,280
Um I don't think we should be the moral
police, right? It's legal in Ohio. This

836
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:27,280
is a easy source of revenue for the
township. You guys recently passed two

837
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:30,319
$5 fees for us to renew our license
plate.

838
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:36,960
If we're to that point where you guys
need to have two $5 fees every time we

839
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:42,880
renew our plates, I think $500,000 a
year in tax revenue is a no-brainer.

840
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:49,680
Um,
and flock um

841
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:54,559
I've been up here multiple times.
Um,

842
01:02:51,760 --> 01:03:00,640
I sent an email asking uh for a sit
down, stopped up and see if we'd be able

843
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:04,079
to talk. Um I don't have any reason to
believe that Fairfield Township is

844
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:10,559
abusing this. That's not my concern with
flock. Um

845
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:16,319
the the number that you gave about 48%
um of that 12 million that's 58,000.

846
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:23,039
That's still a very large number.
Um and since the last time I was up

847
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:26,880
here, um Oxford did vote to end Flock's
contract. So, we do have a neighbor that

848
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:32,240
has voted to end the contract and that
ended immediately. Columbus paused

849
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:39,039
Flock. Hamilton County last week paused
Flock. Um, in Wisconsin, Shbboan moved

850
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:44,559
to cancel Flock after Flock uh
approached them trying to sell them 5

851
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:50,000
years of speed and traffic data taken by
Shabboan's Flock cameras. Now, we're

852
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:54,559
told from Flock that they cancel or that
they delete all of their photos after 30

853
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:59,760
days.
But they just tried to sell Shboan 5

854
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:03,760
years worth of data.
30 days doesn't equal five years.

855
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:07,280
» That the last five years or the next
five years?

856
01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:13,119
» The past five years.
Um

857
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:17,200
so that was well and I saw a quote
today. I hadn't been able to to confirm

858
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:24,160
it, but uh the Lebanon mayor said he
wants to um cancel the 20 cameras that

859
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:27,520
they have. Um and his quote was the
standard is not whether or not the tool

860
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:32,480
is useful, it's whether or not you can
be told the truth about what it does.

861
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:37,839
And I I don't know about you guys, but
from the information that Flock has put

862
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:41,839
out for what truly happens with Flock
system and not just Flock. Please, if

863
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:47,680
and when you cancel Flock, do not
replace it with any other ALPR system.

864
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:51,599
I think that's a misnomer anyway.
They're not they're not just reading

865
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,960
license plates. They're taking much more
information than that. If this was an AL

866
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:01,359
just an ALPR system that was able to
read flag

867
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:05,039
and give information back if a if a car
was wanted, that's that's one thing. But

868
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:09,200
this is logging much more information
than that. So I'm sure my three minutes

869
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:13,400
is well up. But
>> thank you very much. I appreciate you.

870
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:21,960
Okay. Uh the second person to sign up is
uh Michael Combmes.

871
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:29,160
Mr. Combmes, if you come up and state
your name and address for the record,

872
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:29,160
please.

873
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:39,359
» Michael Combmes, 3025 Foxhound Drive.
>> Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

874
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:42,960
This your meetings are always
interesting. Joe, you should become a

875
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:48,960
comedian.
Uh but uh I'm still doing the followup

876
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:55,680
on our conversation at the last meeting
about the parking issues with commercial

877
01:05:51,839 --> 01:06:01,520
vehicles in our residential areas. Uh I
spoke to Mr. Goowens a couple times.

878
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:04,839
He's on top of it as usual. Uh but you
still have

879
01:06:05,119 --> 01:06:12,720
um
paperwork in front of you guys that you

880
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:18,480
haven't attended to where you can pass
this law, get it in front of the chief

881
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:21,680
so that we can contact these people. For
example, like the people in my

882
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:26,079
neighborhood,
uh Chuck has been out. Uh if you try to

883
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:31,280
get a fire truck through there, it's not
happening. Number one. Number two, uh

884
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:37,520
they have notified them and they just
ignored it. So it's not like they take

885
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:44,240
their parking as a serious issue.
Um so

886
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:49,119
this law would make it easier for our
police chief number one to reach out to

887
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:54,079
them. I'm not expecting them to go out
and start towing everything, but at

888
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:58,880
least reach out to these people and say,
"This is what we need. next time I come

889
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:03,680
back then we have to take more action.
Uh you guys have that in front of you.

890
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:07,920
All you have to do is pass it. Um it's
not been attended to in the last few

891
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:13,920
meetings and I'm going to continue to
come to every meeting and listen to you

892
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:19,839
guys about everything. Once again, this
gentleman talks about flock. I don't

893
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:24,400
disagree with your flock. I mean, if I
come up missing and you can run my plate

894
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:30,240
and tell my wife where I'm at, go ahead.
Uh but uh to save kids,

895
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:35,920
criminals,
we see it all. We we we're in Fairfell

896
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:40,960
Township, our nice little community, but
Hamilton's right next door. Okay, I can

897
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:47,680
drive through Hamilton right now and
lock my doors and put my weapon away and

898
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:54,400
say go back home. But we have a lot of
that around here. So, but once again,

899
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:59,920
the parking issue has if you guys will
get it on the table and get it done so

900
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:05,839
that our police chief and our zoning
commissioner can do what they need to

901
01:08:02,319 --> 01:08:11,119
do. Right now, it's a joke. They send
notices out. I believe there was a

902
01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:15,760
letter sent out. Uh
they throw it in the trash. Half of them

903
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:21,120
can't read English. So, you put it on
their equipment. They go out, rip it up,

904
01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:25,839
throw it away. Good luck. Okay. until
the until the fire chief has to try to

905
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:30,799
get a vehicle through there because the
house down from them is on fire and they

906
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:36,719
can't get equipment through, then it's
going to be a bad situation. So, please

907
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:41,600
get that on the table and get it passed
so that we can

908
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:47,839
start being proactive. Please.
>> Thank you, Mr. I know that we are

909
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:52,080
right now looking into how we enforce
that. Is that what we're doing right to

910
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:56,239
see who how we would collect fines and
things like that? It we are working on

911
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:58,239
it. It just hasn't been So, we have all
that.

912
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,159
» I mean, a great example is the city of
Fairfield.

913
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:08,799
» Okay. Their law director has it there
and

914
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:12,880
uh they do a good job at it. I mean, I I
had an office in Fairfield. the zoning

915
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:16,560
commission, you know, even if you have a
weird sign out in front of your office

916
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:21,040
that's not the right color and the
shape, they come and find you and they

917
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:25,199
take it away. And
>> but this is a safety issue. This isn't

918
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:29,279
just a
>> It is something that we're working on.

919
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:31,679
We just have to make sure everything is
>> all the eyes are dotted and the tees are

920
01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:33,839
crossed before we
>> I appreciate that. And I'll see you next

921
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:35,520
month then.
>> Sounds great. Come on back. Bring some

922
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:40,159
friends.
>> It's the 27th. Next month.

923
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:43,359
» 27th. Yeah. Early Joe, I know.
I'm going to call you personally on the

924
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:46,920
13th.
>> Good luck with that.

925
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:55,040
» Okay. Uh thank you for part
participating in that. Our next item is

926
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:59,199
the consent agenda. All items under the
consent agenda are considered by the

927
01:09:56,719 --> 01:10:04,320
board of trustees to be routine and will
be enacted with one motion. Any trustee

928
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:09,920
may remove an item from the consent
agenda by request. No second is required

929
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:14,960
for the removal of an item. Items
removed for separal separate discussion

930
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:19,600
will be considered after the motion to
approve the consent agenda.

931
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,560
As at this time I enter I will entertain
a motion to adopt the consent agenda.

932
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:28,719
» So moved.
>> Second.

933
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:33,920
» Any questions or comments? Uh I would
just uh for the people that haven't

934
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:38,080
looked at the agenda, I would just uh
say that one of the one of the consent

935
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:45,120
agenda items is the resignation of
another police officer.

936
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:52,040
We lost several recently and we're
losing another one.

937
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:52,040
Want to point that out.

938
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,600
» Thank you. Uh Miss Schultz, will you
call the role, please?

939
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,000
» Trusty Harkim.
>> Yes.

940
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:03,440
» Trusty Makabe. Yes. Trusty Birding.
>> Yes. And that agenda item is passed. We

941
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:08,080
have we have the
fiscal officer's report.

942
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:13,120
» Yes. I have a list here of balances. So
our checking account balance is almost 3

943
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:17,760
million. Our medical balance is 80,000.
Our FSA balance is 7,000. Jed revenue

944
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:22,320
received year-to- date for Hamilton
524,000.

945
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:26,480
For Fairfield 134,000.
Our ICS investment account is at 9

946
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:31,760
million. and we have a new investment
brokerage account at almost 4 million.

947
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:38,320
Um, interest earned in August was 22,000
on one account and 15,000 on the other.

948
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:43,600
EMS billing receipts to date 584,000
revenue to date 13 million revenue

949
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:48,960
budgeted 20 expenditures to date 14
million appropriations for 2026 23

950
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:55,280
million payments made in August a
million. Our total fund balances

951
01:11:51,280 --> 01:12:00,800
currently is a little over 15 million.
I can't think of anything else.

952
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:04,560
» Any questions for Miss Schultz?
>> We got our second half.

953
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:10,320
» Not yet.
>> Any idea when?

954
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:14,880
» No. At Metro Park, we got our first
um 75% so it should I would think it'd

955
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:18,480
be any time now.
>> We just paid our taxes, so I bet it's

956
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,480
not going to be till the end of
September.

957
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:24,159
» You You paid your taxes?
>> Yeah, I did.

958
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:28,400
» Good job.
Okay. Well, that goes to Madison

959
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,560
Township. So,
>> help us.

960
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:37,840
» Is that And I'm I may be lost, but is
that report in in the packet?

961
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,360
» It usually is.
>> No, I didn't. We didn't make a copy of

962
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:45,560
it. We emailed it out on Thursday. I can
send you another copy.

963
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,560
» That's okay.

964
01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:52,159
Any other questions for Miss Schultz?
>> May we have the administrator's report?

965
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:55,679
Miss Ley?
So, we have a motion. A motion to

966
01:12:53,920 --> 01:13:00,320
approve the building permit fee for the
fire station remodel in the amount of

967
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:03,440
$22,379.84
cents, which will be made payable to the

968
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:08,199
Butler County Building Department, which
will be paid from the fire fund 2111.

969
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,719
» Motion to approve.
>> Second.

970
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:20,640
» Any questions or comments?
>> That was that amount included in the

971
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:24,400
total amount? No. And Butler County is
not going to wave this for us.

972
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:28,000
» I did ask. I have not received a
response yet.

973
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:30,159
» Just don't pay them until they respond.
>> Well, yeah. Well, obviously we won't cut

974
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:33,840
the check, but
>> Okay.

975
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:37,520
» But but I need you to approve something
so that we can

976
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:40,760
take a check there to pick up our
building permit.

977
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:44,640
» Trusty Birding.
>> Yes.

978
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,840
» Trusty Harkimire.
>> Yes.

979
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,239
» Trusty Makabe.
>> Yes.

980
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:52,480
» That motion is adopted. maybe have the
first resolution.

981
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,920
» Resolution number 26-80 is a resolution
authorizing pay rates for part-time

982
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:59,120
employees of the fire department. So,
this is a holdover from last month, uh,

983
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:04,719
we had a question about the pay rate,
which we resolved. It's a $22

984
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:09,840
rate for medics. So, we're just asking
all medics to be paid that $22. And also

985
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:13,760
at the last meeting,
excuse me, one of the board members

986
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:18,960
asked that we make it go retroactive
back to April when we originally passed

987
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:24,000
it last year. So we did include a
whereas clause in that. So basically

988
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:28,480
this just sets the rate and if you
happen to be an EMT and then you become

989
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:31,800
a medic in between, you're automatically
bumped up.

990
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:38,080
» Any idea what it's going to cost us to
go back to April? Uh, I think it was 50

991
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:41,440
cents for the one person.
>> Total 50 cent or

992
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:44,000
» Well, total 50 cents per hour. So, I
don't know. I haven't done the math yet.

993
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,239
And then wasn't there a second person?
>> It was well under $1,000 total.

994
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:52,239
» Okay.
>> Two people.

995
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:57,840
» So, I think, right, two people.
>> Motion to adopt.

996
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:00,960
Second. Any further questions or
comments?

997
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,159
» Miss Ch, should we call the role,
please?

998
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,280
» Trusty Makabe.
>> Yes.

999
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,280
» Trusty Birdie.
>> Yes. Trusty Harkimire.

1000
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,080
» Yes.
>> And that uh resolution is adopted. May

1001
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:14,560
we have the next resolution, please?
>> Resolution 26-84 is a resolution

1002
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:19,920
approving the 2025 streetlight
assessments. Mot.

1003
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:23,840
» Second.
>> Any questions or comments?

1004
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,040
Miss Schultz, will you call the role,
please?

1005
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:26,239
» Trusty Makabe,
>> yes.

1006
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,679
» Trusty Harkimire,
>> yes.

1007
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:32,400
» Trusty Birding,
>> yes. And that resolution is adopted. May

1008
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:37,440
we have the next resolution? Resolution
26-85 is a resolution imposing a

1009
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:41,199
six-month data center moratorum for
Fairfield Township.

1010
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:46,159
» Motion to adopt.
>> Second. Any questions or comments?

1011
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:50,000
» I don't think anyone's actively looking
at us for a data center, but just sort

1012
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:54,880
of preempts it, I guess.
>> Yeah.

1013
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:59,199
» So, let's This will allow us to some
time to gather information about it if

1014
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:07,600
need be.
>> Yep. True. And then will you put this on

1015
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:09,920
the um agenda for February
27?

1016
01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:12,000
That would be
>> six months.

1017
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:15,120
» Five months, right?
>> Add it to add it to that calendar that

1018
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,520
we
>> so we can revisit it. Okay.

1019
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:20,239
» In case we need to
>> put it on March.

1020
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:24,400
» Okay.
>> We'll discuss in February.

1021
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,400
» Okay.
>> Okay. Uh Miss Schultz, we recall the

1022
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,600
role, please.
>> Trusty Makabe.

1023
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,640
» Yes.
>> Trusty Birding.

1024
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,400
» Yes.
>> Trusty Harkimire. Yes,

1025
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:36,719
» that resolution is adopted. May we have
the next resolution?

1026
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:41,199
» Resolution number 26-86 is a resolution
adopting a township sidewalk policy for

1027
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:47,120
Fairfield Township. So, this is our
first reading with an option to adopt.

1028
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:51,360
Um, we discussed this
twice now, I guess, at our last couple

1029
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:56,480
meetings about the sidewalk policy, but
basically anytime we go out for a

1030
01:16:53,600 --> 01:17:00,640
roadway project, like paving project
that we consider, we're going to look at

1031
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:05,679
the curbs, the gutters, the sidewalks,
and then since it's within the rideway,

1032
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:11,760
but it's also the responsibility of the
homeowner. um we'll uh make sure that we

1033
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:14,719
send a notice to the resident um letting
them know that they have to replace the

1034
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:18,960
sidewalk if it's a certain if it meets
the parameters as specified in our

1035
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:24,480
policy.
>> So when I was looking through this just

1036
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:31,040
briefly, it talks about multi-use youth
use paths.

1037
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:35,840
Could that be considered
on property driveways on property

1038
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:40,719
streets as Mr. provance was talking
about. Is that something that would fer

1039
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:45,760
that or should we keep this as a first
read and add that type of language that

1040
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:51,760
we could enforce because I agree with
them back by Kohl's and Walmart. Those

1041
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:55,760
are constantly.
>> I'd rather have a separate policy for

1042
01:17:53,600 --> 01:18:00,159
that actually if we can get one because
I agree and we've been on them for

1043
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:05,120
years. Um, I was driving over there a
few days ago and the section that they

1044
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:09,199
repaved isn't bad, but if you go up a
little bit further, there's big holes

1045
01:18:06,719 --> 01:18:13,199
developing, too. So, I like where you're
going, but I'm wondering if we can just

1046
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:16,000
develop a private road policy to really
address that.

1047
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,760
» Yeah, we're we're a lot more limited
with respect to our enforcement on

1048
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:23,440
private roadways than we are sidewalks
the way what a township can regulate.

1049
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:26,960
So, I mean that I would suggest that be
a separate policy because your your

1050
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:29,199
limitations are are a lot greater with
respect to roadways than they are

1051
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:33,360
sidewalks.
>> Okay. Maybe we can look into that. And

1052
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:38,560
in the meantime, if we could reach out
to those property owners again because

1053
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:44,800
um the part they fixed is great, but the
part they didn't fix is

1054
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:48,320
pretty bad.
>> Yeah. I drove through there this week. I

1055
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:53,040
saw a Volkswagen inside one of the
potholes.

1056
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,040
» I think so. I saw some kids fishing.

1057
01:18:54,000 --> 01:19:05,440
So, um, is there a request to adopt this
resolution at tonight's meeting?

1058
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:10,960
» Okay, we'll have it on for a second read
adoption in October.

1059
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:16,800
» Second read and a vote on it.
>> Yes. Thank you. Uh, can we have the next

1060
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:20,880
resolution, please? Resolution number
26-87 is a resolution authorizing the

1061
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:25,920
township administrator to sign an
agreement with MS Consultants to provide

1062
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:30,719
professional services for rideaway
acquisition services to construct

1063
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:34,640
sidewalks and pedestrian crossings along
Morris Road and Princeton Road to

1064
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:39,440
improve safety at Fairfield East
Elementary School.

1065
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:46,159
So, we started this process a couple
years ago about getting sidewalks on

1066
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:52,480
Princeton and Morris Road to make it
more safe for the kids to get to school.

1067
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:56,320
So part of ODOT's requirements is that
the township must enter into an

1068
01:19:54,239 --> 01:20:03,600
agreement with these consultants to
provide um appraisal appraisal services

1069
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:07,600
for these pieces of parcel or partials
that we've identified that we will need

1070
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:13,280
for the process whether it's a temporary
take or a permanent take. So we do not

1071
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:17,280
pay for these services but we have to
enter into the contract with a

1072
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:22,719
consultant to provide the service. I
know it sounds crazy, but that's just

1073
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:27,199
ODOT's policy. So, yes, we have to sign
this agreement, but no, we don't owe

1074
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:31,360
anything because ODOT already has it
factored into their budgeting process,

1075
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:36,000
the payment of that service to the
consultants separately.

1076
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:40,719
» How many parcels is this?
>> That I don't know. Do you have know off

1077
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:44,159
your off top of your head, Chuck?
>> So, why don't we know? Why don't we

1078
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:48,000
know?
>> Let's see if it's in the agreement.

1079
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,800
I think there there's only one or two
partials that's going to have permanent

1080
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:09,480
takes, but there's yeah, I don't know
the number of uh parcels related to the

1081
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:09,480
temporary access agreements.

1082
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:15,679
If I could get that for you.
>> I was going to say we have the plans

1083
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:20,560
that we could pull up, right? And we
could send it to them.

1084
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:24,640
» Is it right here?
>> Does it say it? Does it identify it?

1085
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:29,280
» It says one partial, two partial, one
partial. Looks like 12

1086
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:35,600
total.
>> There you go. 12 parcels.

1087
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:40,560
» How much are we taking on each parcel?
>> Around.

1088
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:44,640
Is this the numbers? 360 for those four.
2500 for that one. Looks like it's in

1089
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:48,400
the agreement how much we're taking for
a total 12,870.

1090
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:51,040
» I think he means acreage. Like
>> Oh, acreage. Yeah. How many feet are we

1091
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:55,679
taking?
>> Yeah. I don't know that that's in there.

1092
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:59,760
» We're taking property down Princeton
Road. On which side of the road? On the

1093
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,360
north side.
>> Yeah.

1094
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:05,120
» Um north side.
>> South side. I thought Princeton.

1095
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,320
» I think it's the north side.
>> Well, I think it's both, isn't it?

1096
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,760
» So there there's suffici there's going
to be no permanent takes on Prince,

1097
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:15,040
» right? It's on Morris that we're doing.
And it's in the school's property is

1098
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,480
where we do have to do a permanent take.
>> Right.

1099
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,000
» On the school's property.
>> On the school's property. So I think

1100
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:19,600
it's
>> where we want them to go. Right. To the

1101
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:22,600
school.
>> Yes.

1102
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,920
» Well, that's right. It's
>> property on more

1103
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:32,080
» northwest side.
>> Fairfield City School District.

1104
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:35,760
» Yeah.
>> We're having to take that. They're not

1105
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:40,719
giving it to us.
>> They haven't gotten that far yet. But

1106
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:45,920
» that we're going to pay $12,000.
We are not going to pay it. ODOT is of

1107
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:50,960
my state taxes. ODOT is going to pay it.
>> We're going to go to pay 17,000.

1108
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:55,360
» We're going to go to take one property.
We're going to hire somebody to tell us

1109
01:22:52,719 --> 01:23:00,560
how much of the school property we is
worth when we take it.

1110
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:05,040
» Is this a requirement or a law?
>> It's a requirement but from ODOT. It's

1111
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:09,679
part of their school
>> school safety program.

1112
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:13,760
» Yeah. Well, and I've voiced my concerns
about this before. Uh, when we started

1113
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:19,440
this process, it sound like a good idea
to get kids across from Weathered Oaks

1114
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:22,960
to North School, and now we're going all
the way down to Jayfield on the north

1115
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:28,560
side of Princeton Road and coming up and
crossing a major intersection

1116
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:32,000
to try to get them to school. I have
large concerns about that.

1117
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:36,800
» So, I don't know how many of them are
doing it now. to East Elementary.

1118
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:40,400
» I'm sorry, East Elementary, which is
south of there, just to get our

1119
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:45,120
directions straight.
>> I I don't know how many people are doing

1120
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:53,040
it now
in the ditch that we're trying to help

1121
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:58,239
them get there in a safe way.
But I have I have a lot of concern about

1122
01:23:54,800 --> 01:24:04,000
that. And the last time it came up at
this board, it was our our part portion

1123
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:09,679
was like $750,000, right?
>> No, it's two. It's no more than 250,000,

1124
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,760
right? We we have went back and looked
at that.

1125
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:15,199
» Oh, well, that's that's a number that
was presented.

1126
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:18,159
» Yeah,
I think I might have confused it with

1127
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:19,600
the paving.
>> Well,

1128
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:23,280
» like our paving project.
>> I'm still confused. So,

1129
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:29,920
» be unconfused because it's 250. I I'm
still 200. We're going to spend 250. And

1130
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:32,880
what percentage is that? Is that 25%. I
mean, what how much is the statement on

1131
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:38,400
my money for this, too?
>> It's 8020, Chuck. Right. Something to

1132
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:42,639
that effect. It's either 9010 or 8020.
>> Didn't fall on a hard percentage. Uh,

1133
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:46,800
but we pushed them to
>> the cap that they were willing to get to

1134
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:52,159
a couple times. We're we're we're going
to we we're going to be partners to a

1135
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:56,159
million dollars with a sidewalk that I
wouldn't walk on and I wouldn't want my

1136
01:24:54,239 --> 01:25:02,199
kids walking on. And I don't see how
that makes this school safer to get to.

1137
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:11,280
» So, it does make it safer that kids that
do walk to school or parents that do

1138
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:15,760
walk their children to school won't be
doing it in ditches. We'll be dealing

1139
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:19,520
sidewalks that connect the sidewalks
that connect the crosswalks that

1140
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,719
connects to the school buildings that
eventually will connect, if I'm not

1141
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:29,760
mistaken, is going to connect
>> to the sidewalk near Bridgewwater to get

1142
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:33,679
» family safe to Bridgewwater to Target
and all those items

1143
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:35,679
» or from uh the other subdivision over to
Bridgewwater and down

1144
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,520
» yes
>> to the school.

1145
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:41,040
» Yes,
>> I understand all that, but I just I

1146
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:44,719
can't believe it's going to be a road to
nowhere. It's going to be a sidewalk to

1147
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:48,880
nowhere.
>> That's my opinion. And I I understand

1148
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,960
that you guys will probably feel
differently.

1149
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:57,920
» And what we what we don't know, what we
can't predict is what happens

1150
01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:03,280
um in November should uh school levy not
pass if they start eliminating more

1151
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:11,920
busing. Will will more families start
using sidewalks? Will they adjust their

1152
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:19,600
um their start and and and start time
start and stop times? Um and is that

1153
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:24,080
going to be during hight traffic times?
And so if

1154
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:28,320
one child doesn't get hit by a car, I'm
willing to pay $250,000.

1155
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,800
» I I am too
under those situations.

1156
01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:34,560
» I don't I don't think it's going to be
something unused. And in fact, even

1157
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:41,440
though it says safe routes to school,
it's al also going to be safe routes to

1158
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:45,440
our playgrounds, safe routes to our our
veterans memorial, to our parks, to

1159
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:47,760
Bridgewater Falls.
>> We're not putting any any sidewalks up

1160
01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:50,880
here though.
>> Well, eventually I think it's coming up

1161
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:54,560
connecting
connecting families up to north to North

1162
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,880
Elementary as well.
>> That's in this program, too. I don't

1163
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,040
think it's in this.
>> Not in this one, but that's that's

1164
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:05,280
eventually the I think, you know, for
future sometime out in the future, but

1165
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:10,159
» eventually it's it's connecting families
to the YMCA. It's connecting them to

1166
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:13,840
Bridgewater
>> and eventually over to Walmart because

1167
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:17,120
there's sidewalks all the way that way
>> across the bypass.

1168
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,199
» There's a crosswalk with the I know
>> traffic light.

1169
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,960
» I couldn't believe that either. They
made us do that.

1170
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:27,440
» Yeah.
>> Like we we don't want people crossing

1171
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:31,719
that road now. It's bad enough in a car
much less on a bicycle or

1172
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:35,679
» I hear what you're saying.
>> Yes.

1173
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:38,239
» Okay. I appreciate it.
>> Sure.

1174
01:27:36,159 --> 01:27:44,159
» I mean, if they wanted to put a bike
path over there um where it would be a

1175
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:47,920
multi-use and and go somewhere, I could
almost understand that.

1176
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,480
» Almost.
>> Okay.

1177
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,840
» But that would be a different program.
That wouldn't be the

1178
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:58,639
» same route to school. Let's drag our
kids down a sidewalk to school.

1179
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:04,159
» Well, I mean, originally it was it was
proposed as kids also riding their bike

1180
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:06,000
to school. So, that's why it's safe
route to school and not safe walk to

1181
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,639
school.
>> And again, I I I was in favor of that

1182
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:15,679
when it was weathered oaks across across
Morris Road, but as it got expanded,

1183
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:19,840
um,
not so much.

1184
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:28,320
Well, also
people that are off of Jayfield

1185
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:34,560
used to be North Elementary students.
Now some of them are south elementary

1186
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:42,159
stu sorry east elementary students.
And so that's the route they'll be

1187
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:48,880
taking instead of going to Morris.
>> I think Mr. Goens um in light of our

1188
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:54,639
comprehensive plan, doesn't this kind of
help with the piece, the puzzle piece

1189
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:56,880
for walkability on the township and some
of the other things that we looked at

1190
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:01,360
with that?
>> Yeah, this was uh one of the areas that

1191
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:06,320
were targeted early on. I mean, it's a
fairly

1192
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:13,199
critical piece as far as the large
largescale uh pedestrian connectivity

1193
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:16,719
plan. Yeah, it was highly ranked on the
comprehensive plan.

1194
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:21,199
» So, the they're going to come out of uh
Weathered Oaks. Are they going to turn

1195
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:24,800
right and go down to the light and cross
or are they going to

1196
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:29,679
» I think there's cross real quickly.
>> There's a cross.

1197
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:35,040
» There's a cross walk at Weathered Oaks
over to across the street to go to East

1198
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:38,480
the rapid flashing
>> lights. Great.

1199
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:43,480
» Now, the frogger music will be playing.
>> Maybe a medium, a speed bump or

1200
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:43,480
something.

1201
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:52,360
» Okay. So, we have not had a first or a
second yet. So, I move to adopt

1202
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:52,360
resolution 26-87.

1203
01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:59,199
Is there a second?
>> Second.

1204
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:02,639
» Any further discussion, questions,
comments?

1205
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,000
Miss Schultz, will you have the call the
role, please?

1206
01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:06,400
» Trusty Birding.
>> Yes. Yes. Trusty Harkimire. Yes.

1207
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:10,560
» Trusty Makabe.
>> No.

1208
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:13,440
» And that uh resolution is adopted. May
we have resolution uh the next

1209
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:18,159
resolution, please.
>> Resolution number 26-88 is a resolution

1210
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:23,840
authorizing the administrator to enter
into an agreement with MNJ Properties,

1211
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:29,840
Inc. to repair sections of curb on Red
Coat Drive and Betsy Ross Drive at a

1212
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:33,280
price not to exceed $17,335,
which will be paid from the gas tax

1213
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:38,320
fund.
So I think Jeff handed out some pictures

1214
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:45,120
where we have significant curb
deterioration in this neighborhood. This

1215
01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:51,120
neighborhood was built in the n in 1971
just for future thoughts. Um, you can

1216
01:30:48,639 --> 01:30:54,120
see that
what

1217
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:05,320
» driveway is a corner block.

1218
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:18,120
While we were out there looking at that
one

1219
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:18,120
or two streets over

1220
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:24,440
the same situ

1221
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:46,560
that's a pretty big price for The curve
>> it's actually

1222
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:52,040
» how many how many feet is it?
>> 1932

1223
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:52,040
ft.

1224
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:09,440
It's more than just these two pictures.
We're going to do

1225
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:12,639
What else are we doing?
We doing the whole curb.

1226
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:17,280
» It's sections of curve. There's more
sections like that. I didn't want to

1227
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:20,400
print all the off.
>> Right. I wouldn't want you to either,

1228
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:24,639
but
>> we just wanted you to see that there's

1229
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:28,000
significant deterioration of curbs that
have already

1230
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:31,840
these subdivisions. We've we have a lot
of subdivisions that were built in the

1231
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:34,719
70s. You'd be surprised.
>> I've been doing I won't be surprised.

1232
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:38,280
» I've been doing the research.
come in 67,6

1233
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:46,480
» what do we paid those streets
>> you know

1234
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:51,679
» to my knowledge we to my knowledge I
haven't found anywhere where we have yet

1235
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:54,960
» we seal coat them what
>> I don't think we

1236
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:58,800
» still looks black
>> it's been black matted

1237
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:02,719
» okay blackmatted
>> so on this one I don't know which one it

1238
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:06,320
is
that help

1239
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,960
What's it say at the top? Does it say
Betsy Ross

1240
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:12,920
» or red coat?
>> Says Jeff Bennett at

1241
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:17,840
» Betsy Ross.
>> I don't know.

1242
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:21,360
» It's up highlighted in yellow at top.
>> Oh, right on. Oh, yeah. There it is.

1243
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:26,800
» The very first thing on the page.
>> So, the driveway, are they going to fix

1244
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:28,400
their driveway while we're in there?
Maybe.

1245
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:33,440
» You know what I mean? It's got a big
crack in it. So, this this would be part

1246
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:38,159
of our sidewalk policy, right?
There's a huge crack.

1247
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:39,760
» Wait, would it be part of our sidewalk?
Because it says apron.

1248
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,480
» Well, yeah,
>> apron would be.

1249
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:48,639
» Yeah, the apron would be.
>> We're not fixing that. That doesn't mean

1250
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:51,880
he's dealt with stuff like that before
>> the owner.

1251
01:33:52,960 --> 01:34:01,000
» Well, I just wondered because like I
said, it

1252
01:33:56,639 --> 01:34:01,000
will be eventually

1253
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:05,880
» Yeah. But once you adopt the policy,
then we'll

1254
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:16,639
» So I mean, but back to that point, it's
a crack. It's not so deteriorated that

1255
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:21,360
it needs to be replaced.
>> That's But you can see the lift in it.

1256
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:24,080
So you This would be something that the
township would be

1257
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:30,560
» if it's more than a 3/4 inch.
>> I can't tell from this, but I'd say it

1258
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:35,280
probably is. But anyway, I I I just
wondered. We're not doing it. We're just

1259
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:37,760
doing the curve.
>> Yeah.

1260
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:41,360
» Right.
>> He's got a nice stand of grass going

1261
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:46,800
there. Is he sure he wants us to clean
that up?

1262
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:50,719
» Okay. I move to adopt resolution 26-88.
>> Second.

1263
01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:55,920
» Any further discussion or questions?
>> Gas tax fund has enough money in it.

1264
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,840
» Yes, I looked.
>> Miss Schultz, could you call the role,

1265
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,199
please?
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

1266
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:01,760
» That's okay.
>> Hold on.

1267
01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:06,320
» Did you get more than one bid?
>> Uh, no. It's our typical guy that we

1268
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:09,040
use. He's usually the lowest. He's been
the lowest for a while.

1269
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:12,000
» So, the answer is no. We didn't get
>> No, I didn't get any more bids than

1270
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:14,320
that. Just It's just who we typically
use.

1271
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:18,000
» It's under the threshold that requires
us to get multiple bids.

1272
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:21,600
» But when we use him before, we we got
bids, right?

1273
01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:26,360
» Yes. In the past,
>> I recognize the name. I know he does

1274
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:26,360
good work.

1275
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:31,199
Miss Schultz, will you call the role,
please?

1276
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,800
» Trusty Birding,
>> yes.

1277
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,159
» Trusty Harkimire, yes.
>> Trusty Makabe,

1278
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,800
» yes.
>> That resolution is adopted. May we have

1279
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:43,199
the last resolution, please?
>> Resolution number 26-89 is a resolution

1280
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:48,000
approving change order number one for
the 2026 paving program from Barrett

1281
01:35:45,679 --> 01:35:51,000
Paving and the amount not to exceed
$37,91.

1282
01:35:54,719 --> 01:36:03,760
Second, Mr. Pency, can you elaborate?
>> So, what happened there is we um during

1283
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:10,000
the paving, we had included Jamie Drive
on the paving list and at the same time,

1284
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:16,080
Nikki Court
was paved from the new section that was

1285
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:23,440
added. And so, it left this
very small one lot piece that was

1286
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:27,280
originally included in Shaw Estates. And
we just went ahead when they were paving

1287
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:31,760
since that section was paved and Jamie
was paved. We went ahead and paved that

1288
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:35,280
that small area. We originally told that
we were going to have enough money in

1289
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:41,520
contingencies to cover it, but it looks
like it went over by $3791.

1290
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:46,080
So, hence tonight why I ask you to
approve it.

1291
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:48,800
» Any further questions or comments?
>> Miss Schultz, will you call the role?

1292
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:50,000
» Trusty Makabe?
>> Yes.

1293
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:51,280
» Trusty Birding?
>> Yes.

1294
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:56,960
» Trusty Harker?
>> Yes. And that resolution is adopted.

1295
01:36:54,080 --> 01:37:01,520
Committee reports, Tusty Makabe.
>> Um, we have not met this this month yet.

1296
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:03,520
It'll be next week, but it's been
cancelled. So,

1297
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:08,560
» okay.
>> Uh, I think there's an information

1298
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:10,560
session tomorrow evening about the North
Hamilton cross.

1299
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:12,000
» Thursday evening, is it?
>> Thursday evening.

1300
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,360
» Yes. The 10th.
>> Yeah, the 10th. Okay. 5 to 7

1301
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:16,719
» at the fairgrounds.
>> At the fairgrounds.

1302
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:20,000
» In Hamilton.
>> In Hamilton. At the fairgrounds.

1303
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,280
» In the Hamilton building.
>> Yes. In

1304
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:26,800
Not in Fairfield Township at the fair.
Okay.

1305
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:30,320
All right. Anything else?
>> That's it.

1306
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:35,520
» All right. Great. Uh, Trusty Harkimire,
EMA,

1307
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:40,560
» EMA met today. Um, they discussed a lot
of the usual um exercises and uh

1308
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:47,600
different things that they worked on.
Um, of note, it was confirmed that that

1309
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:53,920
uh EF1 tornado did hit Riley Morgan and
went into Hamilton County. Um it was

1310
01:37:50,639 --> 01:38:00,239
about 11.3 miles and at its widest 500
yards. So that's pretty big. Um the

1311
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:04,239
August 11th storms, there is actually
federal funding available for disaster

1312
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:07,679
recovery and also some small business
administration monies available for

1313
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:11,840
that. I don't think Fairfield Township
really had too much of an impact on

1314
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:17,199
that, but it was just interesting. I
think that that was such a kind of big

1315
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:20,800
big thing that went through there. Um
they did some work on the foam takeback

1316
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:26,800
program. I don't know that that's
something that we really have anything

1317
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:32,320
to do with. Okay. Um
of note too, and this does impact us

1318
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:35,360
directly. The per capita rate um there
was a spreadsheet that I passed out

1319
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:41,840
about a year ago. we put it with this
with the uh resolution, but it said that

1320
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:50,880
we were going to have our the 2025 per
capita was 55 and the 2026 per capita

1321
01:38:46,239 --> 01:38:56,119
was going up to 60. And so um this year
it looks like we're going to be paying

1322
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,119
$14,019.

1323
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:05,119
Um whereas last year, and that's just
the price increase, it was $12,850.

1324
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:09,199
So, just as an FYI, it's not a huge
amount, but I just wanted to bring that

1325
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:14,480
up so that uh so that we would be aware
that that that is going up a little bit

1326
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:18,400
there. Um, we do get a lot of value from
the EMA. They're pretty much there

1327
01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:24,639
standing at the ready in case something
happens. Um, they were called into a

1328
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:29,440
number of different situations
uh within the last few months where they

1329
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:35,600
were absolutely helpful with that. So,
that's all I have there. and on to okay

1330
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:41,119
that meeting will be held we did not
have meetings in uh

1331
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:45,760
let's see July or August because the
break however they did sponsor that much

1332
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:49,440
in common gathering and this time it was
down at the airport I did go and attend

1333
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:52,800
that was pretty interesting to hear
about airport operations and to hear

1334
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:57,199
about what they're going to be doing at
CVG they're doing some remodeling uh so

1335
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,480
you can expect that at the airport in
the next year or two it'll be a little

1336
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:05,119
bit different when you go through there
But uh that was rather rather

1337
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:08,960
informative. Um so really nothing about
that to report but there is a meeting on

1338
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:12,639
Thursday of this week and it is open to
the public. People can come down and you

1339
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:16,560
can listen. It's um it's kind of
interesting. It's the Ohio Kentucky

1340
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:21,760
Indiana Board of Regional Transportation
and it's the group that deals with

1341
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:26,880
freight uh with bridges, roads um like
safe routes to school. There's just all

1342
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:30,960
things transportation, buses, the metro,
um the Butler County bus system, all of

1343
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:34,960
that. It kind of goes through there.
It's sort of the federal the the funding

1344
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:38,560
place where the money goes and then it's
dispersed across the region and it's

1345
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:43,119
actually an award-winning organization.
If you'd like to learn more, go to

1346
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:46,560
okii.org and you can look at all of the
really cool. They have all kinds of

1347
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:50,159
tools and lots of really neat things
that just talks about all things

1348
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:53,520
transportation. So, it's a pretty good
What I really like about it is that it's

1349
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:58,960
comprised of people from across the
entire region. So, there's people there

1350
01:40:55,600 --> 01:41:02,880
from Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio, um the
whole tri-state area, and we all kind of

1351
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:06,960
get together and we find out what's
going on and things get done. So, check

1352
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:12,719
it out. okii.org.
And, uh, Clout, nothing to report there.

1353
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:17,600
We have a meeting coming up next month.
>> Great. Any questions for Trusty Hooker?

1354
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:21,199
» Is OKi, they have a live stream where
people could watch it from home?

1355
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:25,600
» They do not live stream it, but um, like
I said, it's it is open to the public.

1356
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:28,960
Um there's kind of like a section in the
middle where the board members sit and

1357
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:31,280
then there's another whole section of
chairs and people can come down and

1358
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:36,320
watch.
>> So that hasn't changed since I was on

1359
01:41:33,679 --> 01:41:39,280
there for eight years or so.
>> Yep. Still that way.

1360
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:43,679
» I just wondered because in today's world
you would think as big an organization

1361
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:48,320
as that is that that would be something
you might suggest to them live stream

1362
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:52,159
something where they can people can see
it even if they even if you're working

1363
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:56,320
you could see it later on that type of
thing. They did do it during COVID, but

1364
01:41:54,159 --> 01:42:02,000
that was for other reasons. None of us
were going to the meetings.

1365
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:05,679
» And did emergency manage did they say
why they're raising them?

1366
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:08,960
» That was just the it was the agreement
that they came up with because their

1367
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:14,159
costs are going up and so they kind of
came in with the 55 and then it went to

1368
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:20,800
the 60. They really do run things on on
a shoestring. I will say that um the um

1369
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:27,119
director
um the board had given him a three three

1370
01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:30,800
and three raise. So three for cost of
living and then three for the other

1371
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:35,440
stuff. And he came in today and said you
know what we didn't budget for that so I

1372
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:39,600
can't take that raise. So what we
budgeted for was a two and two. So he

1373
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:45,040
said he'll take the two and two raise
which I thought was kind of honorable on

1374
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:49,440
his part. So he um they really do try to
do a good job over there and they do run

1375
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:52,239
their operations very lean.
>> What is the budget?

1376
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:55,360
» I don't have that off the top of my
head, but you could definitely reach out

1377
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:59,679
to Director Bowlan. I think he's going
to be at the Butler County Township

1378
01:42:56,960 --> 01:43:02,719
Association dinner on Thursday night if
you wanted to have some further

1379
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:07,280
conversations with him.
>> And is he the only employee they have?

1380
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:11,040
» No, there's two two three others. I
think they just No, three others. But

1381
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:16,719
they did just someone just uh took
another job elsewhere

1382
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:22,000
rather lean. But oh and those meetings
too are open to the public. Um you can

1383
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,760
come in, listen to them, all that good
stuff.

1384
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:29,199
» And where do they have those at?
>> Over right over there at Ninecom by the

1385
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:32,400
uh board of elections.
>> Right here in Fairfield Township. Well,

1386
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:36,560
just on the edge of Fairfield Township
in the city of Hamilton.

1387
01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:40,480
» They're almost cool enough to be in
Fairfield Township, but not quite. used

1388
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:43,480
to be the downhill.
>> True.

1389
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:52,199
» Okay. Um, board member comments. Trusty
Makabe.

1390
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:52,199
» I just like to welcome our fire.

1391
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:58,880
» Trusty Harkimire.
>> Anything on the calendar

1392
01:43:56,320 --> 01:44:03,119
other than we need to add for next uh
March that we're going to talk about the

1393
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,440
moratorum. But is there anything else on
here for

1394
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,679
» the what Shelley mentioned before was
the amounts and rates? We'll do that in

1395
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:12,400
October.
It moves around a little bit sometimes.

1396
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:16,159
» They're what
>> does that move around sometimes?

1397
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:19,600
» Well, it's always September unless they
get an extension, then it's October.

1398
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:24,719
» Why did they get an extension?
>> I think from the um calculation of the

1399
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:28,800
new homestead and stuff that's going on
at the state. So, the state extended

1400
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:33,119
their time, which extended the county
time, which extends our time, but they

1401
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:36,639
said we'd have the information by
October 1st and need it approved and

1402
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:41,520
back by October 31st. extend the time
the property owners have to pay their

1403
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:44,239
» No, sorry.
>> We had an extension this year. It was

1404
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:46,320
like two weeks.
>> Really?

1405
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:49,040
» Yeah. Normally, it's due at the
beginning of August and this year it

1406
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:55,119
wasn't due till the 19th.
>> I paid mine early so I didn't know.

1407
01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:59,840
» I've written in my book October 26 for
the rates. Is that

1408
01:44:56,800 --> 01:45:04,000
» that two years ago it was October again.
It was October due to an extension and

1409
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:06,800
last year I forgot it and it was
October, but technically it should be

1410
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:10,800
September.
>> Maybe October of 26 is what I wrote, not

1411
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:14,000
October 26th.
>> Oh yeah, maybe possible.

1412
01:45:12,159 --> 01:45:19,000
» We should keep it on September because
it technically should be September.

1413
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,000
» Okay.

1414
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,080
» Anything else?
>> Yeah, there it is.

1415
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:27,040
» Because I missed it last year.
>> Okay. Um Oh, every time I drive by the

1416
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:32,000
park, those pickle ball courts are
filled with people playing. So, do we

1417
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:34,400
take reservations then or
>> payment?

1418
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:38,719
» We should raise the fee.
>> Yeah, I think we should double the fee.

1419
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:44,000
I think we could.
>> Yeah, that that's all I have. Um,

1420
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:50,320
announcements. Uh, the regular trustee
meeting is Tuesday, October 27th, 2026

1421
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:54,880
at 7 p.m. The agenda does say the 13th,
but we did change it at tonight's

1422
01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:58,880
meeting to be the 27th.
Uh, we have no executive session

1423
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:02,719
scheduled. So at this time I move to
adjourn.

1424
01:46:01,199 --> 01:46:05,920
Is there a second or would you like to
stay here?

1425
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:08,000
» Right. Second.
>> Miss Schultz, you call the role, please.

1426
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:09,199
» Trusty Bing,
>> yes.

1427
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,480
» Trusty Harkim,
>> yes.

1428
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:13,440
» Trusty Makabe,
>> yes.

1429
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:16,960
» And that motion passes. We adjourn at
8:46. Thank you all for