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and department head updates and agenda
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anybody have anything on the agenda
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» figured some people do.
Um, number 11, resolution uh for the

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city council to authorize and approve
the addition of one temporary fire

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station maintenance coordinator, which
is the supervisor position for the uh

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FY26 budget. This is to align with the
retirement of our incumbent who will uh

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hopefully be able to work with and train
the replacement. Uh the uh current

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coordinator retires September 30th.
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» All right. Thank you.
>> That's John. Okay. And this is just to

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overlap for a little bit and then that
one will defund and close out.

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» Correct. Per usual.
>> Thank you,

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sir. How are you doing?
>> Doing okay. How about you?

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» I'm well, thank you.
>> I have item number 18. Uh requesting an

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unbudgeted expense of $72,900
to replace the uh sand filter tanks for

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the indoor pool.
They are 26 years old and when we fired

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the pumps back up, they failed.
So, I guess they're about due to be

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replaced.
>> Thanks, sir.

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» Uh, we did move some money or are
requesting to move some money within our

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capital improvements uh budget that was
for the press box renovation, repairs,

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however you want to say that. Um, so we
were moving shifting money over from

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that to cover it.
>> All right. Perfect.

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questions for Pat.
>> Thank you. I'm

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» Good evening, sir.
>> Good evening.

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» How are you?
>> Good. How are you?

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I just have uh
number 10. And that is just our uh

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annual fire extinguisher inspection
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» We good with this one?
>> Yep, we finally got one.

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» This is third time's a charm. Is that
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» Yes. Finally got someone better late
than never. Hopefully hopefully they're

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good. So we haven't worked with them. So
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» Okay,
>> perfect. Easy enough.

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» We're flying through this.
>> Oh, it's smooth.

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» Yes, ma'am.
>> I have I have se several I have from 12

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through 15. Um item number 12. This is
authorized to hire Jackson Thornton to

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do a rate study that will cover um gas,
electric, water, and sewer rates um

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coming up. Do you'all have any questions
on that? You selected it last um

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meeting, and this is to authorize the
contract.

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» And when was the last time we actually
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» It was 22's data. And this will use 26's
data. So, as soon as we close the year,

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we'll get them the data they need, and
it take them about six months to

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complete.
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to four years? Is that
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Um, and you can really see on some of
the budget meetings we've kind of talked

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about, you can really see the cost of
our um, you know, our costs going up

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from, you know, 22s to current.
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» ma'am? Um the next next one is number 13
and this is where we've we've had a lot

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of discussion on us we're needing to
borrow money for water and sewer. Um if

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you remember we borrowed two years ago
25 million. Um we did an extension and

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added additional 5 million. This past
year did a six-month extension that is

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due November 1st. And so we're looking
at at the same time is to do an RFP at

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the banks, local banks to see if we can
um what kind of rates we have from the

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local banks. Um and so this is
authorizing um me to advertise to do an

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RFP with the local banks. And then um
number 14 goes along side by side with

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this. Um it's been since 2007
um since the city has actually done a

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bond issue to go and they've done
ratings

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um a few ratings throughout the year and
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update I believe it was in 15 um but for
us to actually do the bond issue it's

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been that many years it's just
recommended that us look at um

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competition for underwriters to um do a
selection of underwriters for them to

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come in and give you what their quotes
what they would do for a bond issue. Um,

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» and so council, we're doing simultaneous
RFPs, but is it fair to say that we

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could go either or or some kind of
hybrid combination even possibly?

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» We could.
>> That's exactly.

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» We're just going to see what what they
come back with consultant recommends.

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» Yeah. And you want to compare what the
um issuing cost is. You know, comparing

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rates of a bank and your issuing cost is
very minimal. And then compared to a

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bond issue, you have underwriting cost.
Um and then looking looking at those

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rates. Um also being able to look at
what's your call date. You know, a bond

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issue is 8 to 10 years. Sometimes the
bank you can have a call date that's

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less that if you think that you would
want to pay that off early, that's where

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the difference in the in the call rates
going to be. And in council, we just for

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kind of a background, we we did 25
million on a bank loan. We renewed it

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and added 5 million, so we're at 30
that's due on the first. We're we're

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looking at another 50
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million and and even have more than that
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this. So, that's why we're deciding to
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we can't get as many um good responses
as possible to to and then on the bond

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we just select somebody to go with on
the underwriting that won't necessarily

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have quotes.
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but I think it's a good process. We've
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it's looking at how much money the
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money. So, that's that's you're just
trying to be good steward to make sure

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that we're, you know, getting the lowest
cost of issuance. We're doing the right

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thing.
>> Any questions for Kim?

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» And then the next item I have is has our
stop loss. So, um you can see with the

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attachment on the stop-loss, our um
Cobbs Allen is our insurance consultant

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and they put out for um renewal or for
bid every year for our stop-loss and um

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our current provider at our current
staying at a $100,000 stop-loss was

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doing a 60% increase.
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and lasers are the um high claims and um
so Cobbs Allen is recommending um to

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stay with the same provider but um to
increase our stop-loss coverage to 125.

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So we pay the first 125 and then stop
loss would come in and pick up any

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claims over the 125. And so that would
make our difference going up um almost

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40% 39% increase. Um and so you know
that's the recommendation.

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If um if y'all see something different
you would want to do something different

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but um you know I'm trusting our
consultant and um and then we'll have

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some other meetings to come back and
look at maybe some structures of our

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plan. Um, right now I have in the budget
an 8% increase in health insurance to be

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able to get um the amount of money that
needs to be funded to um offset the

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claims that's going to be recommended.
What we think our future claims are

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going to be. Um we're, you know,
shooting at a number. We're shooting at

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a number. It's almost um $6.5 million in
insurance claims. Um, so we're we're um

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so I've got that in the I've got that in
the budget to um be able to have an

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amount of claims, but we will have some
future meetings with mayor um and the

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consultant to look at um maybe some plan
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» Uh so we're going to increase stop loss
to 125 and instead of it going up 60%

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it'll go up 39%.
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» And we like that better than the 150
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» Yeah.
the risk the unknown. Yeah,

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» it's it's the risk that's that's going
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» you know, the claims.
>> But I mean, how many more

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» significant claims? Uh I'm just looking
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» so
>> we're looking at a 1.1 uh what's the

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1.1 the premium?
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» versus 970. So that's
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» six maxed out.
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we had six and the 2425 and then this
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» a great answer to this question
unfortunately because there's just

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cost not just here but in but everywhere
have skyrocketed and it's just it it's

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it's becoming unworkable for for for
everybody

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» and there's just no way of knowing you
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» right
>> the claims the future of the claims and

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what you're going to have.
>> Um, and I think that's, you know,

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obviously the hard part. If we had a
crystal ball, it'd be easy, but

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» trying to look at historical data and
again recommendations from the

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consultant and and again trying to I
guess trying to balance the risk that

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we're taking.

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» It's definitely and I mean and the the
question came was do we do we go back

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fully funded with Blue Cross or do we
still stay self-funded? And you know, me

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analyzing it over the past five years,
we actually um bal we were we were

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balanced, you know, but on those good
years, we were able to put that money in

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the bank account, you know, we we made
up that money, but if we were with Blue

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Cross and we had that good year that
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Blue Cross would have kept that.
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another 300,000 that was put into the
bank account, they would have kept that,

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but the the bad year would have
increased and we wouldn't have been able

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to get any savings from that. So, so I
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» Okay.
>> Um it's just, you know, we've hit a

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couple of bad years,
>> but you know, I think we've done done

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well and we just got to get through
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» Okay. And any other questions for for
Kim on on a stop loss?

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» Thank you, Kim.
>> Thank you, Kim.

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» Good evening, sir.
>> Yes, sir. We only thing I have is a

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public hearing. Um, since we had an
early meeting, the applicant's actually

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here. Typically, we wouldn't even talk
about that in a work session. And

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because it's a public hearing, we
wouldn't do that until 6 regardless. Uh,

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» is that still the case or would you like
to talk about they might go grab a cup

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of coffee or something since there's two
hours to go?

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» Yeah, I think I would Larry Larry might
treat y'all to dinner. I

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» I'm going to stay here for the rest of
it, but but uh I don't we typically

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don't talk about those public hearings
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» until the time. So, okay. So, we're even
if we're flying ahead of things, we need

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to bring that one back to six o'clock.
Okay. Is that okay?

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» All good. All right. Thank you.

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And sir,
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cover my agenda items and also knock out
number two on the work session at the

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same time.
>> Why not?

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» I have items 6, 7, 8, and nine. Uh item
number six, we are before you asking for

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what I consider to be a good change
order uh for our uh Julins Plaza

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project. Um this is brought on by by two
things. Uh the project can go forth

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without the change order, but but a
couple things arise. Uh one, uh on the

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original corner that has been uh
demolished and being rebuilt, there did

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exist 80 of the 12x 12 memorial pavers.
And uh I think staff has learned the

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hard way that you cannot be nonchalant
when it comes to the location of

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memorials that people have given it
time. And when we looked at other

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locations within the city to locate
them, let's just say the folks that gave

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them memorials were not real thrilled
with that. Uh this change order allows

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us to keep the memorial at the same
corner. Other than the fact that it

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doesn't run up fair hope, they would run
down bankrooft from that corner and

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allow us to do that 105 foot sidewalk
and the red pavers that we've done many

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of our sidewalks as opposed to concrete.
And we're asking you to consider that

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and our treasurer has found funds to
transfer to cover it. Uh but we would

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the architect as well as the city and
and those that uh gave those memorials

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would really appreciate this change
order. So I'd be glad to answer any

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questions on it.

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Item number seven and and I will tell
you I want to thank the the city of Fair

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Hope and you as the council because you
have allowed me to expand my horizons as

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an engineer and uh I can't say that
there's many engineers in the in the

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world of engineering that have a hermit
hut on their resume. And uh uh as you

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know this has been a passion project of
many of the stakeholders of the Henry

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Stewart House. And part of the the
process has been the city agreed to

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accept the Henry Stewart House and
relocate it to Flying Creek Nature

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Preserve and then take care of it in
perpetuity. If they raised the money to

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cover the cost, which they uh have
worked very hard to do, we turned it

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into a public works project, went out
for bid. will tell you that we we had a

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pretty um pretty detailed bid process.
One, uh we knew we had to have a local

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general contractor be the lead, but they
had to bring in with them a qualified

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house mover, and we had a
pre-qualification process there uh of

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the bidding uh contractors. They
submitted pre-qualifications for four

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house movers. Two of them under
separately. One moved the Cape Sand

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Blast Lighthouse and one moved the Cape
Hatteris lighthouse which a pretty

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impressive historic masonry structure
and we opened those bids um uh a couple

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weeks ago and they were competitive. We
did receive five qualifying bids and we

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are asking you to consider the the
awarding of the bid uh to Fair Hope

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Building Company uh at a bid of
$421,050.

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That price does include a pretty large
10% contingency because we've never

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moved a historic masonry hermit hut. So,
we know there's probably going to be

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some things that we find in this project
that we didn't anticipate. As well as

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$30,000 for mechanical, electric, and
plumbing, even though we're only going

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to run electric to the building because
that's all that it has today. and uh

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including landscape materials because
we're moving a building into a park and

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we've got to restore that whole area
that that that move path and everything

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else. And uh I do want to take time to
remind you that the team of DDG and

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Cypress Coast Consultant basically
volunteered their uh architecture and

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engineering services and the only hard
cost that the folks that raised the

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money was the $3500 for the surveying
that had to be done because that was one

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thing that that design team did not have
in house as surveyors. So, it's been a

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wonderful team. uh just everybody uh
kind of rowing in the same direction and

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we're excited that you're considering
this tonight and we are recommending uh

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you award that contract. I'd be glad to
answer any questions.

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» Well, what is your opinion on the move?
Do you think that it's going to

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withstain? I know you said you have
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this for a living.
>> I tend to be a riskadverse person in

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general. Um and but after getting to
know these house movers, uh

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they kind of look at this as a piece of
cake, you know, considering the things

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that they have actually moved that were
much larger, much much more complex, the

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environment much more difficult to work
in the distance greater and everything

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else. They're the subject matter experts
and uh the actual uh subcontractor is

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Hollis Kennedy from Athens, Alabama.
They're the one that moved the Cape Sand

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Blast Lighthouse. And his comment to me
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eating ice cream. Nothing to it." So, I
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» I guess they're going to dig around it.
>> Yes, they will excavate it, put

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substructure structural support under
it, literally jack it up out of into the

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air, put dollies under it, and drive it
down the road to its new site. So,

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» that's that's how it's going to go,
right?

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» At at about the speed of a slow person
walking. So, um, that's so this is their

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industry. That's what they do. So, they
don't I if you're asking Richard

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Johnson, do I have reservations? Yes,
every day and twice on Sunday. But they

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seem to be very confident in in their
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» okay. Thank you.
>> And item number eight is also our work

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session item. As you recall, the state
of Alabama passed the Rebuild uh act um

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uh back in 2019 that uh provided a
1-cent gas tax to go toward road

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resurfacing and road maintenance
projects. Part of that act, we have to

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adopt an annual transportation plan,
which is basically a list of roads that

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are pre-qualified for that money to be
spent on. Uh I do want to cover with you

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in the in the last year uh which just
finished up uh in our 2026 paving

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package we uh resurfaced 21,000 linear
feet of roadway. Uh that works out to be

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eight lane miles, meaning any mile of
two-lane road has two lanes in it. So uh

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one mile of road gives you two lane
miles or four roadway miles of

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resurfacing. and we've pretty held
pretty steady over the last many years.

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I I probably should send you a report of
everything we've paved since 2017. It's

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a pretty en encompassing list. And um
just so you know, the rebuild act

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produces right around $190,000 a year.
So the roads that we have listed here

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represent over millions of dollars worth
of paving. So we any of these roads will

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qualify and we won't have any problem
consuming that in uh this next year's

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budget. But uh there's a resolution that
you have to pass it which is item eight.

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But this is a housekeeping item. And
then the next thing I have to do per the

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act is we will report where we spent
their money uh in FY26 and the

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contractors that received those
contracts. So I'll be glad to answer any

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questions about that.
>> I I have a question. How do you decide

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which roads are to be repaved? I have
citizens asking me to come look at their

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roads and who makes that decision. So we
can answer that question. one u through

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multiple avenues whether it's a city
council member saying can you look at

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road X or someone does 311 and says I
sure would like my road repaved we add

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it to the list
>> and then John Thomas and his team

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including our inspectors go out every
year and evaluate that list and rank the

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roads based upon their condition and
importance and everything else and we

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try to be kind of systematic in saying
Hey, what are the top 10 worst roads

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that we have right now? How many of
those can we get knocked out in the in

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the coming resurfacing year?
>> I think that's good news and we're able

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to move forward.
>> And this list is is ever changing,

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meaning right now public works and and
the construction rightway inspectors are

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actually doing the evaluations and roads
will get added and priorities will

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change. But basically, the only thing
we're doing tonight, we're not approving

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paving. We're just approving a list of
roads that qualify for these funds to be

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spent on in the next budget year.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> And uh the last uh uh item is item

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number nine. We are asking you to
approve the selection of Geocon to

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provide geotechnical testing services
for our safe room construction. Uh if

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the council would be willing, I would
love for you to approve the awarding of

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the contract. It is a on call service
meaning that when we need to test the

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soils they come in do a soil test and
and but they they said it would be a not

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to exceed 30,000 and understand that is
a 9010 meaning 90% of it's being paid by

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the FEMA grant for the professional
service. If you can't do that tonight

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we'll see in two weeks with a not to
exceed a 30,000 but we may have a call

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for some soil testing between now and
then. So I I would prefer to have it

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kind of legitimately in place. You're
just saying um just add it to this

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resolution at approval or do we have to
walk on a separate one? Marcus,

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» this would be authorizing the mayor
approve the selection of that

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professional services division. It would
just be add on or not additional just be

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amended to not to exceed
>> not to exceed 30 just add that language

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to this current resolution. Yeah, I
don't see any reason why

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» modify it just instead of just a not to
exceed of 30,000 and be done

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» and authorize the mayor to execute the
contract.

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» Yeah.
>> About the Would they not to exceed

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» and we'll probably just do it by
purchase order if that's because it's

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just a a services contract for them to
come in and test materials. So,

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» I'll be glad to answer any other
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» All right.
>> Thank you, Richard.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir.

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» All right. Is five. Five is done, right?

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» Found the chief.
>> No, you're gonna cover that in a second.

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» Yeah, I think it's
>> chief. Yes, ma'am.

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» Um, I've got three items. 19, 20, and
21. Uh, 19 is the Bowwin County Humane

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Society requesting permission to close
the streets downtown for the witches

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ride. And that's on October 29th from 5
to 7.

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» Questions for Chief

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It appears to be the same route as last
year, so nothing's changed. Um, item 20

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is an application for retail food store
consumable hit products. Uh, that's

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Kamal Constantine doing business as
Piggly Wiggly. Everything checked out

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fine on that application.

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And the last item is beer wine on on off
premise uh for the club at Fair Hope

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Golf Works and everything checks were
there as well.

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» Any questions on any of those items from
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» where is that place?
>> Right across from public works, right?

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» No, actually this is going to be off of
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» I think they have a spot there, but this
is this is over by maybe the warehouse

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» with the warehouse. Yeah.
>> Oh, warehouse. Yeah.

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Sorry, Hannah. I thought you'd have a
great five o'clock place.

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» All right. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Chief.

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» Thank you.

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» Sorry, Eric. We're trying to steal your
thunder there. I was just

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» You're not stealing. Well, literally. Uh
yeah. Um no. Uh it took an interesting

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turn last week because we uh several
folks and I got a lot of texts on Friday

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afternoon that somebody had just torn
the building down. So it is a pile on

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the on the lot right now. There were no
permits issued for that. So I spent time

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Friday afternoon and today Reverend
Cody's going to be here and u so the

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permit our typical process is if work is
done without a permit the first thing we

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do is determine was the work done in
compliance with city codes. If it was,

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then we will issue an after the-act
permit and we double the permit fees is

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how the ordinance uh penalizes that
work. We've got everything we need to

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issue the permit except some sort of
letter or documentation verifying who

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owns that church because I don't want to
issue a legal document that we can that

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they can tear it down until we have
something stating who actually own owns

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it and yes, they have permission to tear
it down. Reverend Cody is going to be

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here tonight. He said he can present us
with some documentation to that effect.

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So, if he can, then they're welcome to
load it up and haul it off and be done

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with it and we'll we'll all move on to
the next project.

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» Perfect. Okay.
>> We need to keep this on the agenda since

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we don't know about making sure they're
hauling it out.

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» Let's go on ahead. Yeah. That's the one
thing in the bids that we got, the one

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that the church got was like half of
what the other three quotes I received

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was. And my biggest concern and the and
what I kept telling the pastor was I

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want to make sure that they understand
that they have to take that debris to

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Magnolia landfill. They're not going to
be allowed to take it to the city

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landfill. We don't accept CND. And in
talking with the other contractors, over

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half of their bid was loadout and haul
off and tipping fees at Magnolia. So it

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kind of, you know, my radar went up when
I saw that bid that was half price

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trying to make sure that they accounted
for the tipping fees and the actual haul

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off of the debris. So that but really to
be honest with you right now it's in the

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church's hands. We're not going to issue
a permit until we have legal

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documentation that they own it and that
they give per they gave permission for

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it to go down from talking to the
pastor. No one at the church ordered him

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to do it. Apparently the contractor took
it upon himself. So it, you know, as it

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stands, it's through no fault of the
church members or Reverend Cody or

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anyone in that situation. Gotcha.
>> Eric, now that it's knocked down though,

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» it's not a dangerous structure, right?
>> Yeah. Still fall under

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» It's not going to It's not going to fall
and hurt somebody. We do want to get rid

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of the pile of debris because it's an
attractive nuisance. We want to go on

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ahead and get that cleaned up.
>> That could still fall under the

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» It could still fall under this, but as
it

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» table is
because we're not gonna demo it, but we

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still got issues with carrying it off
that we don't know what's

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» I mean, you tell what I'd like to do if
it's okay with the council is let

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Reverend Cody and his folks come tonight
and give their accounting of what

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happened and what they're what they're
in the process of doing and then if the

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council feels that it's appropriate to
table at that time, then that would be I

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would at least give him a chance to tell
us, you know, what happened on their end

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and how they intend to deal with it.
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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All right. I've got 16 and 17, which are
both related to the airport. Kind of

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Councilman Brell's wheelhouse, maybe.
>> And what's that?

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» Yeah, just Grant's and he's already gone
through the agenda, I think, with the

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mayor, so he's he said he's pretty much
up to speed on everything when he gets

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here. Um, I guess we'll go ahead and
roll into uh the next item on the agenda

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I have is uh presentation of the
recommendation from the Evergreen

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Solutions Compensation and
Classification Study completed for the

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city of Air Hope.

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» So say I'm not presenting on the budget.
Well,

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» um, so this is, uh, not the full report.
I'll just start by saying that this is,

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uh, just kind of an update on how we got
to the recommendation for the

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classification plan, which we are asking
the council to adopt with the FY27

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budget. Uh, the full report, the
consultants are still finishing that.

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They're still on schedule with that. So,
when that's completed, we'll schedule

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for uh, for that presentation to be
made. So, just want to let y'all know,

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we're not going through everything, but
uh, just kind of the first few phases.

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Um so uh study goals uh first assess our
current conditions. So this was done um

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going through focus groups with our
employees and the consultants being on

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site um issuing a citywide survey to our
employees and then a thorough review of

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our pay policies. After that we reviewed
our internal equity. So that was going

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through all of our job descriptions,
placement within the pay scale, um going

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through a job assessment process with
the uh both employees and the

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supervisors, reviewing that data, um and
understanding kind of how everything is

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sitting today. From there, they uh
evaluated our external equity, which is

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going through the labor market and
benchmarking job classes against um

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other municipalities and utilities and
then presenting us with recommendations

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for a pay scale. So um we'll give you
some uh information on that. Um starting

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off you'll see that we have 50 uh 53% of
our employees currently sitting above

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the midpoint of the grade. So all of our
grades have a minimum, a midpoint, and a

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maximum. Uh so the majority of our
employees are sitting above that

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midpoint. Um 15% are in the first
quartile. So it's the first 25% of the

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pay range. Uh 67% of our employees are
sitting in the second and third

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quartile. You're also going to see that
our average tenure is 9.2 years for our

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employees. That's actually higher than a
lot of our competitors, but it's not as

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high as it used to be. Um, it's not
quite as surprising to those of us in

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the industry that uh people aren't
sticking around in the public sector

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quite as long. Um, seeing that 67.4%
those are uh our employees, that's 50%

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of the pay range, the second and third
quartiles. Um, that's saying two things.

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One, we're actually hiring at a
competitive market rate regardless of

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our current grade minimum. Um, so we're
bringing people in higher than that

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minimum set for the grade. Um, you're
also seeing that uh current minimums are

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00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:12,480
not competitive and uh that's why we're
having to hire in uh bring in employees

410
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:16,320
at a higher rate. Um the let's see what
else. So our current hiring practices,

411
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:20,320
this is part of what's pushing so many
of our employees into the second third

412
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,480
quartile. Um we've made a lot of changes
to payroll over the years, some

413
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:27,760
improvements for our employees, um but
also having to bring them in at a higher

414
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,880
rate in order to stay competitive and in
order to retain them. So um kind of

415
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:38,960
operating outside of the norm uh from
for industry standards. Um typically if

416
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:43,440
you're hiring somebody in to a position
as an external hire with 10 to 15 years

417
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,120
of experience, that employee should be
brought in closer to the midpoint. But

418
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:51,360
because of the scale that we have today
that we're operating in, we're bringing

419
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:54,480
people in with almost no experience in
the job close to that midpoint. And

420
00:31:53,120 --> 00:32:01,120
that's because that midpoint is the
actual competitive pay rate. Um, let's

421
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:05,039
see, a couple of other points. Uh, and I
think I kind of covered this. The

422
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,720
midpoint of a career is closer to 10 to
15 years. So seeing employees who have

423
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,799
been here for nine years being paid
closer to the midpoint tells you that

424
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:15,760
our current pay and our pay scale aren't
quite matching for

425
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,360
» Do that one more time. So where should
they be? You're saying at 10 years

426
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,679
» lower than the midpoint.
>> They should be lower than the midpoint

427
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:27,039
» at at an average of 9.2 years. And
because typically you're assuming the

428
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:31,919
midpoint of your career is closer to the
midpoint of that range. So a 15-year

429
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:35,760
somebody with 15 years of experience
should be sitting closer to the

430
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:40,480
midpoint. But because of our lower rates
and having to attract qualified talent,

431
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:44,960
we're bringing employees into the city
closer to the midpoint today than we

432
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,919
probably should be. But that's due to
the ranges that we're having to work

433
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:52,159
with today which is the reason for the
study as well.

434
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:56,880
Um so internal review this is the
employee outreach. Um it includes some

435
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:02,720
feedback from the focus groups as well.
Uh we had 250 survey responses received.

436
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,799
Um with 77% of our employees feeling
that pay doesn't align with the cost of

437
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:10,960
living. Um of course most of our
employees are coming here and staying

438
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:14,159
because of our benefits. Um the majority
of our employees do live here in Bowwin

439
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:19,600
County. So that location and that
commute makes a pretty big difference to

440
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:24,000
them. Um we talk a lot about our
competitors, the county, Daphne, Spanish

441
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:27,840
Fort, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach. Um all
of that was taken into account within

442
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:31,440
this study um and paid close attention
to as well because they are, you know,

443
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:36,720
who who we compare ourselves to with and
and you know, kind of trade employees

444
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:41,679
back and forth with throughout the year.
Um additional internal review more

445
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:45,919
specific to compensation. um probably a
more negative side. Uh not as many

446
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:50,799
employees feel that our pay is
competitive compared to the market. Um

447
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,960
they're not sure about our uh pay
practices, which we've been working on

448
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:58,080
over the years, and as we adopt a new
pay scale, we'll probably have to update

449
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,600
our pay practices moving forward
anyways. So, that's something that's

450
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,360
going to have to be fluid with us. Um
they're also wanting pay tied to

451
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,440
performance. So they're looking for
their pay increases to be tied to their

452
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:14,240
annual performance valuations as opposed
to uh just a small bucket that um that

453
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:17,119
they're able to look at. So that's
something that we're talking about

454
00:34:15,839 --> 00:34:20,960
internally and trying to find ways to
improve upon as well. Um and just to

455
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,040
make sure that we you know are able to
share with our employees that we're

456
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,480
hearing them and we're listening to
them.

457
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:32,399
» And of of the folks that answered this,
how many of them I mean do you know what

458
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:35,520
where they are on the pay scale? I mean,
is the person saying anonymative at the

459
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,359
top of the pay scale or the bottom of
the pay scale?

460
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,960
» It was an anonymous survey and that
information wasn't correlated.

461
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:45,280
» Okay.
>> I know I know we said anonymous, but

462
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:48,720
tell us
>> um luckily I didn't conduct any right

463
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,399
now.
>> Um so moving to the external review. Uh

464
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,560
this is something that was included in
the RFQ as well. Selecting our peers,

465
00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,800
collecting data, comparing their pay
ranges with ours, then determining our

466
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,160
position within the market. Um this is
important because when you're doing

467
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,680
compensation study, you cannot just do
an internal review or just do an

468
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:12,800
external review. You have to do both of
those so that you can blend them and um

469
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:16,160
kind of aggregate those results. So um
we of course recognized all of our

470
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:20,880
competitors within the county, but we
also went throughout the state as well.

471
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:24,240
Um our true labor market is not just
what happens in Bowwin County and it's

472
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:30,160
not just what happens in a specific
industry. it's what happens across the

473
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:32,560
state with other local and um municipal
agencies. So that's who we're talking

474
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,480
about when we talk about our labor
market. Um so we had 20 peers that was

475
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,240
the number that was outlined in the RFQ
and we were fortunate enough to receive

476
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:47,280
100% response rate. So that gave us
really really robust data to work with.

477
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Um we identified 129 job
classifications. Um that's not the total

478
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,960
number of classifications because we do
have rank structures within our larger

479
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:59,280
departments. So for those
classifications, we either chose an

480
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:04,560
entry- level rank or more of a ceiling
rank and knew that we could kind of

481
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:08,320
build up or down on that. Um if uh we
did not have an agency who had enough

482
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,640
information, then maybe we weren't able
to include them or um the consultants

483
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:20,480
sometimes were able to go find some uh
independent data through some uh federal

484
00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:25,839
labor market databases. um with these uh
129 classifications and the matches um

485
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:30,000
antitrust law requires that the
consultants have five or more exact

486
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:34,240
matches in order for that to be
considered um an accurate data point

487
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,000
that they can use. So because of that we
had almost 1,200 uh peer matches that

488
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,480
they were able to work with which gave
us a lot of information. Um the other

489
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,800
thing is that they were not looking at
just a job title or just a minimum

490
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:50,400
qualification. they were really looking
at the essential functions of a job. Um

491
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,359
because from one agency to another
they're everybody titles things

492
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:59,119
differently. So we're looking at what
the actual job does and then what that

493
00:36:55,359 --> 00:37:04,000
job pays from one agency to the next.
Uh so what they found uh was that our

494
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:09,760
market position was around the 50th
percentile. Um our minimums were 15%

495
00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:14,480
below uh the market average. Our
midpoint was about 9 and a half% below

496
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,520
the market average. And generally our
maximums of our grades were pretty

497
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:24,079
competitive. Uh the range spread is
probably the biggest point to note on

498
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:29,839
this slide. Um the city's range from
minimum to maximum was about 85.6%.

499
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:35,359
But what our peers are are doing are
closer to 55%. So that uh kind of

500
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:39,440
tightens up that scale for an employee,
but it brings those minimums way up to

501
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:43,680
make them more competitive while still
leaving plenty of room for employees to

502
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:49,040
grow within their range or within their
assigned grade.

503
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,800
Um going back to that slide five, we we
brought those minimums up closer to that

504
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:56,000
second quartile to make it make a little
bit more sense for our employees. And

505
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,760
then um of course they've got some
recommendations, you know, individually

506
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:05,839
from there.
Um so what they recommended were um two

507
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:11,920
different market align plans. One is for
um typical our typical uh 40hour week

508
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:15,599
employee or 280 hours a year and the
other one is a separate public safety

509
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,640
plan. If you look at our pay scale now
it's separated. Public safety is below.

510
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,920
That's because they've got a different
rank structure and of course they've got

511
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:26,640
different annual hours. So it's
basically mirroring what we have now. Um

512
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:32,480
they then uh worked with us and we
slotted all the classifications into the

513
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:36,320
new scale and then uh gave us some um
recommendations for administering the

514
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:42,160
new plan.
So 30 30 grades as opposed to our

515
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:46,160
existing 16 which also gives us more
room within the city to have um more

516
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,760
growth for our employees especially as
they move up within promotions. We found

517
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,280
a lot of jobs are existing in the same
grade when they're actually different

518
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:58,320
ranks. So, it was not a true promotion
for the employees. So, we made sure that

519
00:38:55,680 --> 00:39:02,640
every job is separated so that there's
uh no none of those compression issues.

520
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,280
And then this is the public safety
scale. So, they're going to have 14

521
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:15,839
grades in total. And these are based on
the 2,184 hours per year that they work.

522
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:18,160
» Questions?
>> Tons.

523
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,560
» Thank you for taking this on. I know I
know that's a heavy lift and it's you've

524
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:27,920
been working on it a long time and I I
would just say some responses to some of

525
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:32,880
the data put out by here. I mean
unfortunately inflation's just been a a

526
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:37,680
beast and and there's no way we can keep
up with the cost of living

527
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:42,160
uh versus what inflation's done the last
three or four years. It's just it would

528
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:47,040
it would probably bankrupt the city if
we try to keep up with that true cost.

529
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:50,800
Um, but looking at that, it it seems
like what it's saying is we're going to

530
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:55,920
have to raise some of that entry level
>> pay to be competitive. Um, I mean, I

531
00:39:54,000 --> 00:40:00,000
agree with that. We want to attract top
talent here. We want to keep them here.

532
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:04,960
I also feel like sometimes
>> it's very hard to

533
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,800
to kind of navigate the raising the
entry level and recruitment pay scale.

534
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:13,040
And then it seems sometimes like you
wind up almost penalizing people for

535
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,359
being loyal and staying here a long
time. and that, you know, I don't know

536
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:23,040
how you thread the needle on that, but I
certainly don't want the the longtime

537
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,520
employees to be
overlooked just for the hey, we're going

538
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:30,160
to raise all the costs for recruiting
new people. And

539
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:36,160
» part of the RFQ and what they've also
provided us, which is subject to budget,

540
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:39,760
is um some options on how to administer
current salaries within the new pay

541
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,680
plan. So that's something that working
closely with mayor and department heads

542
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,720
on to make sure that there is some
equity with that so that we're not

543
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:50,480
punishing somebody who's been here for a
long time or you know we're not keeping

544
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,160
somebody outside of a range because of
where their pay is. So um they did give

545
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,960
us a lot of those options. It's not
something I can present

546
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,000
» right.
>> But um but y'all you know that

547
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,640
information we can dive into if y'all
have questions about it. But I think,

548
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:05,839
you know, when you get into salaries
with budget conversations, it's been

549
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,440
wrapped up in there
>> and and that's the challenge. We we've

550
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:15,119
had multiple conversations about that
already is we want to raise salaries.

551
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:21,599
We've just got to do it in a sustainable
kind of manner. Um so we we just need

552
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:26,000
everybody to do two jobs and we get
everybody really good raise. But um does

553
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,680
anyone have any questions for Hannah on
the survey?

554
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:36,000
» I do. Hannah, thank you. I've been
waiting for this. It's been uh one of

555
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:39,839
the lot a lot of data. Um when when
first I want to ask some questions about

556
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:43,760
the actual survey that was done, there
were comments that the colas were not as

557
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:48,400
close to our peers, but what's is that a
reality

558
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,040
» what I'm talking to compare that data
set the 20 or just our Baldwin County

559
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,599
peers?
>> The survey is

560
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,680
perceptions, right? So, they're given a
list of questions and and these are

561
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,839
consultants who do statistics and that's
not me. Um, so this is how employees are

562
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,000
perceiving our pay rates or perceiving
our benefits or perceiving our cost of

563
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:10,960
living adjustments. Um, I personally
don't know what other agencies in Bowwin

564
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,680
County are doing as far as cost of
living adjustments. So, I don't think I

565
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:20,240
could speak on that.
>> But just in the pay range comparison,

566
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:22,319
we're starting 15% average below
>> what other places.

567
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,440
» Well, we're the 50th percentile. We're
right we're right there. I mean, we're

568
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:32,160
sort of like, right, 50% 50 is above us,
50 is below us, right?

569
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,040
» I mean, like, yes and no. So, what the
one of the perceptions that they have is

570
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:38,079
that we don't have competitive pay. And
that's because when we talk about hiring

571
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,040
an employee or moving an employee,
>> everybody thinks that everywhere.

572
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:44,800
» Yeah. I mean, get in line with an
employer. They'll tell you that.

573
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,960
» But what they're seeing is what they're
seeing is the low minimums, right?

574
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:52,880
they're saying it that, you know, I I
have to start at $13 an hour when that's

575
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,880
not the reality because we've worked so
hard to bring entry level pay up. So, I

576
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:00,480
think that's kind of a hard question to
ask. The survey wasn't

577
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:06,160
» Well, I think to to me it's important
because we need to know if it's a

578
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:10,079
reality or is it bad communication on
our end? Is Daphne really raising cost

579
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,319
of living by 5% every year and we're
only doing two or is Daphne actually

580
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,599
doing three and we're doing four but the
board is not getting out. That's, you

581
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:22,319
know, that that's that's a key
differentiator if if if that's the case.

582
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:26,319
» Yeah. I think the other thing too is
over the past 5 years, I mean, we've

583
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,440
done an across the board increase and I
think almost every municipality in

584
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:33,599
Baldwin County has done an across the
board increase more significant than

585
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:37,200
just the cola throughout the past 5
years. And I think that has varied like

586
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:42,400
we might have done it one year and then
Daphne raised 5% and then we did a cola

587
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:46,400
of 2% and they might have done 3% or we
did a 10% adjustment across the board.

588
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,040
So, um I think we can probably get you
those comparisons, but I think that

589
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,880
everybody has done significant increases
trying to get pay to where it where we

590
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,079
could all be competitive because we were
losing employees to each other. So, it's

591
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,200
a constant back and forth.
>> I would just love to know if it's a poor

592
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:04,880
perception, but the reality is different
or if the reality is true. Hey, yeah,

593
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:10,319
over the last 5 years we've done 10% of
COLA adjustments and Daphne, which has a

594
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:13,839
higher starting point, has done 15%.
Well, that's stuff we need to know. But

595
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,440
if it's reverse then okay well we might
just need to be communicating that more

596
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,920
clearly.
>> I think you even find other

597
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,960
municipalities in Bowwin County who
haven't done a cola at all in 2 to 3

598
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,319
years and that would be something to
talk about able to maintain that.

599
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:28,480
» And the the second thing is it's we
talked a lot about salary but is that

600
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,760
total compensation or is that strictly
the paycheck that they're taking home.

601
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,200
» They're probably looking at the paycheck
that

602
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,880
» just the paycheck because that the other
thing we need to look at is

603
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,599
» yeah the benefits package is is how that
compares because that's that's a huge

604
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,599
right
>> that can be very big.

605
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:47,280
» Yes. And so there and that comes in the
full report is kind of how our benefits

606
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:50,319
are comparing to other agencies. That's
not what I have for y'all today, but the

607
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,920
full report will have that information,
kind of how we're doing competitively.

608
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,520
» Um it might not have everybody's
individual rates, but it'll tell you it.

609
00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:00,079
It'll be much more informative than what
I can give you right this second.

610
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,839
» Uh
>> we do give that to the employees once a

611
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,400
year at the benefit.
>> Yes.

612
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:10,000
» They get a statement that shows their
salary

613
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,280
total value.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My wife's job does

614
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:17,119
that, too. It's a good shows like the
total value of your compensation, right?

615
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,319
Which is which is a good thing. Okay.
That's all I have.

616
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:25,200
» I just have something quick. Um, so
didn't you say at the meeting that we

617
00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:31,040
were at recently that actually the
employees that begin working for Fair

618
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:34,560
Hope can look and see as time progresses
how their pay scale is going to

619
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:39,599
increase?
>> Um, no. Because we have we're moving

620
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:45,599
we're sticking with an open range plan.
So, one option in compensation is a step

621
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:50,240
plan where you can see 25 steps and that
gives you 25 exact hourly rates or

622
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,920
annual rates. And so, somebody could
say, "Oh, well, if I get one step every

623
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:58,000
year for 25 years, I know what my final
salary would be." But, we're doing an

624
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:03,280
open range plan, so there are no set
figures within that minimum to maximum

625
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:07,599
range. Um, some employees like that
option. It's not uncommon in the public

626
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,480
sector, but that's the only way that
they would be able to actually track and

627
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:15,440
and
>> still know that each step that they take

628
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:18,240
that they're going to have be rewarded.
>> No, not not quite. Not not with the

629
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,960
open.
>> How do they know that they're going to

630
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,440
get a pay increase?
>> Right. We have mer.

631
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:27,440
» Yes. So that that would be performance
based. Um so with the colas that's

632
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,200
obviously subject to budget but our
performance-based system um typically

633
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,319
that's based on their evaluation and
that's something that they're looking

634
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:38,640
for as well more of is a better
performance management plan where they

635
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:41,920
can see you know if I do you know so
well on my evaluation this year this

636
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,040
would be a designated amount that I
would get but that's not something we

637
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:48,319
have today but it's something that
according to the surveys they're

638
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:54,040
interested in. Yeah, I think so.
Definitely

639
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,040
» people are motivated by money.

640
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,800
» All right. Any other
>> Not me. Not me.

641
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,119
» Any other questions for Hannah on this?
All right. Thank you very much.

642
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:08,760
» Thank you.
>> Appreciate it.

643
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:08,760
All right, Kim. Here we go.

644
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:30,800
Good evening. Um you you have a copy of
the um the presentation also.

645
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:36,000
Um you have for the um wastewater we
have a summary you have a summary of the

646
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:40,800
um utilities that's the utility cash
flow requirements. And then for

647
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:45,440
wastewater wastewater is one that when
we've had these budget we've had budget

648
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:51,440
multiple budget meetings. wastewater is
one that we just haven't completely gone

649
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:59,359
through. And so what you have um tonight
is a detail of their um department and

650
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:05,760
then um wastewater's five-year plan um
for capital plan and then you'll have um

651
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:10,319
detail of equipment capital improvements
and system improvements. And on that it

652
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:16,000
gives a little justification. So that
gives you a little bit more detail of um

653
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:20,160
of the wastewater and then at this um
PowerPoint presentation that I'm going

654
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:24,480
to go through this is all the utilities
um capital infrastructure and then at

655
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,920
the end we'll just have any questions if
you have more in-depth questions um for

656
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:35,119
the um wastewater or any of the
utilities we can talk about.

657
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:42,000
So we're going to um start with gas
department. Um if you can you can see

658
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:48,720
that um on vehicles and equipment um
there's a an increase for this year and

659
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:54,559
um so the equipment here
um you you'll see that there's multiple

660
00:48:51,359 --> 00:49:02,000
pieces of equipment caterpillar
um some mapping equipment a new vehicle

661
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:06,720
um do you have any questions on and if
you need some specific on what a piece

662
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:13,520
of equipment um does that would be Yes.
To answer that question, um, do you see

663
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:16,800
» aren't a couple of these be to help
reduce our cost from contracting out

664
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:20,160
things? Is that right,
>> or am I mistaken?

665
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:23,119
» That was the calibration um the
calibration machine, the smart

666
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,280
calibration machine. So, the
electrofusion machines, that's actually

667
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,800
eight machines. So, they're $7,000 a
piece. And then they're having to send

668
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,119
those out for 45 days for calibration.
And this allows us to calibrate them

669
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,839
ourselves. Okay.
>> Yeah. It's going to save some time.

670
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:42,079
» Yeah.
Um the capital improvements. Um this is

671
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:47,920
for an additional bathroom facilities in
the um utilities um public works

672
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:51,839
building. Um it's there's I believe my
understanding is there's one female

673
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:56,400
bathroom and so um we're going to be
adding on in the backside or the

674
00:49:54,240 --> 00:50:01,119
recommendation is to add a bathroom in
the back side of that building and

675
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:03,920
additional office spaces. Um, and I
think they were going to do some

676
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,880
improvements to the other bathrooms that
are existing in with this. Um,

677
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,119
» the ones off the break.
>> Yes. Off the break room. And um, the gas

678
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,040
department actually that is that
building is their asset. It's it's on

679
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:22,079
their on the books says the gas
department. And so this asset would be

680
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:26,480
on the um, gas department, but I also
have a transfer in from the other

681
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,240
utilities to help offset um, that
building holds a lot of departments in

682
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:34,480
there. So, we're share we're actually be
sharing some cost. It's just the asset

683
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,680
has to be booked on um the gas
department.

684
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:43,359
» Have any questions?
>> No, ma'am.

685
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:50,000
» Um the next system improvements, we're
going to do 7.3 um million. Um as you

686
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:56,480
are aware, the um cast iron replacement,
that has been a a um sixphase plan. So,

687
00:50:53,839 --> 00:51:01,760
we're continuing to work on that plan.
And so you can see on there um

688
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:05,839
engineering for phase four. At the same
time, we're working on phase three. So

689
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:11,040
it' be the the goal would be to finish
up phase three. At the same time, we'll

690
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:16,240
be working on getting that phase 4
engineer to have it ready to be able to

691
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:19,680
go out to bid for in 28.
>> And that's the biggest ticket item. And

692
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,480
Wes has been working on at least
submitting grants trying to capture

693
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,680
funding for that. May or may not be
successful, but

694
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:34,079
» yeah. And we h we hope by November that
we will know um if we're awarded um the

695
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:38,000
grant to help to help cover the cost of
that cast iron replacement. But there is

696
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:44,000
money in the federal government for um
the cast iron replacement.

697
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:51,599
Um and you'll see like the I10 um that
800,000 the I10 um gas is going to be to

698
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:57,119
move that gas line for the bridge. um
that will be reimbursed by by the state

699
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,800
and we have another the county road 64
relocation

700
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:05,359
um that is a reimbursement from the
county. So we'll have that money coming

701
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:08,240
in to offset the um set that pro
project.

702
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,240
» Any of this rollover
>> um

703
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:14,160
» oh

704
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,680
» just have to read and it says rollover.
>> Yeah.

705
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,800
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> We were almost there. You you figured it

706
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:27,440
out. to roll over. So, y'all have any
questions on that? That I know that's a

707
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,440
lot, but um cast iron is the biggest um
project

708
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,280
» on that cast iron. Mayor, is that
something

709
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,240
» until you get it done? So,
>> do we solicit Dne's help on that? Is

710
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:39,040
» so we we've already done that and we've
gotten letters of support from our

711
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:44,079
federal delegation. Actually, I just
talked to Dne this morning again to

712
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:47,520
remind him um to to make a a few
additional calls knowing that in October

713
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:52,079
that's going to be awarded. So, he he
said that he would do that. But again,

714
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:56,480
that's $14 million, which will cover the
remainder of the phases. So, I told him,

715
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:59,440
I said, you know, if we make it to a
second or third round, however they're

716
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:03,599
doing that, I said, I just want to make
sure that we're communicating that we're

717
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,960
willing to do 50/50. We're willing to,
you know, work with them. We, you know,

718
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,440
we'd love the whole grant, but we also
are willing to take 50 cents on a dollar

719
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,160
if we can get
>> because we have to do the work. So, it's

720
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:15,599
not an all or nothing.
>> Correct. I said if we can get part of it

721
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:18,640
this year and have to wait another year
as additional funding becomes available,

722
00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,920
whatever we have to do to get some of
that money that we're willing to work

723
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:26,240
with them. So
>> hoping that will work. Fingers crossed.

724
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,400
» Everybody cross your fingers,
>> your toes, everything.

725
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,280
» Yes. Do y'all have any questions on the
gas department?

726
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:41,119
» Um
>> Wes, I've already asked you, but I mean

727
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:45,680
look at you disappointed.
You really did a good job, Kim and the

728
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:51,280
mayor and Wes on this
>> um electric department.

729
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:58,079
Um as you can see on vehicles and
equipment, it's $821,000.

730
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:02,000
Um there's a couple of those trucks
there. We're actually budgeting half.

731
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:07,440
Those trucks will take um two years to
come in. Um so that's what you're seeing

732
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:12,640
that we're budgeting half the boom truck
for this year and then next year we'll

733
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:16,880
budget the other half. Um and that way
we can go ahead and order those trucks.

734
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:23,760
We can go ahead and um put those um get
those POS done for those trucks and get

735
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:27,040
those in line. Um and then you can see
there there is a rollover truck that

736
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:31,520
we've already ordered and we're waiting
on that truck to come in.

737
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,720
» Y'all say um the other day that these
are two to threeyear orders. Are they

738
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,440
that far out?
>> 289

739
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:46,040
» they'll come in.
and Ben is out working on power outages.

740
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,040
So, y'all have any questions?

741
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:57,839
» Yeah. Um, next, um, capital
improvements. Um, looking at a gate for

742
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:03,040
the, um, pole barn or the pole yard. Um,
it's 30,000.

743
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:08,480
And then, um, system system
improvements. Um, it's just a a variety

744
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:15,200
of stuff that we're going to be doing.
um you know poles and reconnectors on um

745
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:19,280
section street.
Um

746
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:24,800
we've already ordered this under is is
under residential distribution metering

747
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:29,119
cabinet. Um that one y'all have already
approved to order that but that was a

748
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:37,440
lead time that it's going to come in in
um in 27's budget.

749
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:42,000
And um it's just a you have also some
traffic signals. So you'll see that the

750
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:45,680
big ticket item is Vana and section
street signal improvements. That's

751
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:49,920
400,000.
And when we the next next meeting we'll

752
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:53,359
talk about on the general government
side. And so you'll see there's a

753
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:56,960
project on the general government side
that's going to be improvements to that

754
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,799
intersection. So, at the same time,
we'll be um you know, putting up the

755
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:05,760
traffic lights and doing some um
additional improvements, drainage in

756
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:10,319
that um area. But do you all have any
questions on any of the um system

757
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:15,119
improvements for electric?
>> I did just want to remind everybody that

758
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:18,240
$750,000 expenditure when we had the
study done of our system, that's one of

759
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:22,319
the weak areas in our system. There's
copper lines there. Um so, we know we

760
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,559
need to replace those. So, that's that's
what that project is. Um, and it's

761
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:30,559
actually splits two years. So, it's
we'll start part of the project and then

762
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:35,760
we'll go into the next budget year as
well.

763
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:42,559
» I wanted to ask you about the Volanta
project. There seems to be

764
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,079
high traffic, driving too fast. What are
we What were we talking about doing with

765
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:46,000
that
>> on Atlanta?

766
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:49,040
» Vena.
>> Um, the only thing that's come up on

767
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:54,720
Well, there's there's a couple projects
on Vena. There's Atlanta at 98, which is

768
00:56:51,680 --> 00:57:00,079
an ATIP 2 project, which will add turn
signals, we'll add signals, we'll add

769
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:04,240
turn lanes at 98. Um, and then on the
other side of Atlanta is a public works

770
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:08,079
project will be drainage and repaving.
And then the intersection bin and then

771
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:12,240
we'll at that time change out the lights
and change out the cabinet for the

772
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,119
traffic signals. Um, as far as speeding
on there, that's been to the traffic

773
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:18,559
committee. Y'all correct me if I'm
wrong. The only thing we've really

774
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:24,160
talked about is at Val and Bond Secure.
Um the we put the um electronic metering

775
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,559
there for our speed trap, the speed sign
there for the police department, but

776
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:32,400
we've also um looked at a four-way stop
or at that intersection, but that's

777
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:36,319
really it on Balena.
>> Okay. I just getting a lot of stuff from

778
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:44,079
that area.
>> You want to be specific? Um just that

779
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:48,000
the the traffic is so fast that the
people in Banta are really upset because

780
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:53,119
they can't pull in and out of their
driveway. Just traffic's going too fast.

781
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:58,000
I I live near there. Jimmy lives near
there. I haven't any problems.

782
00:57:55,119 --> 00:58:01,040
» I think the the challenge that I I know
you already mentioned is that Valent 98

783
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,119
trying to take a left.
>> That's an awful intersection.

784
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:08,400
» A left on Valanta up 98. They come so
fast around the curve you can't really

785
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:11,280
see them. Well, this is more towards the
the new restaurant they're putting in

786
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,040
» closer to that.
>> Yeah. Well, that's that's right. Yeah,

787
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:18,240
that's right there at Bon Secure and um
Vanna. Um we have talked about in the

788
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:21,200
traffic committee. That may be something
that we can evaluate again, but I do

789
00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:25,280
know the chief and them. They did a
traffic study there. So, they probably

790
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:28,400
can address some speeding information
for you if you want to see that.

791
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,720
» And that intersection is tab for
improvements in fact on here.

792
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,839
» Yeah,
>> quite quite a bit of improvements.

793
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,559
Any other questions? Ma'am,
>> I'm going to shoot the light out with a

794
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,720
shotgun one day if they stop me. I was
five minutes later because nobody there

795
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:48,079
and I had to stop for five minutes.
>> Run the light.

796
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:52,480
» Shabb city council run it.
>> Would be good.

797
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:56,400
» I'll shoot the light out, but I won't
run it.

798
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,240
» I'm kidding.
>> Yes, ma'am.

799
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:01,440
» Um,
>> water now.

800
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:06,160
» Yeah, water. And
now you can you can actually see that in

801
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:13,359
27 you know we we're getting a lot done
in 26 and then in 20 27 um it is reduced

802
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:19,359
a little bit um for the water department
but it still is a lot. Um starting out

803
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:25,280
with their equipment um which is
reduction from what we've done last this

804
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:30,400
past year is um $290,000.
Um, you can see there's a a submersible

805
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:36,160
pump that keeps a pump available for if
a well does go down. They're able to

806
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:42,559
grab a a pump versus us renting a pump.
Um, a dump truck. This dump truck is um

807
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:49,040
if approved will be shared um with
public works because public works as

808
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:53,280
times that needs an extra truck. Um and
then there's replacement of some trucks

809
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:56,400
and some equipment. Do you have any
questions on that?

810
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:04,160
And then the capital improvements.
Um, as you can you can see there,

811
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:07,440
there's for the um water treatment
plant. We're looking at some roof

812
01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:13,200
replacement,
um, a booster station,

813
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:18,760
um, some building improvements, um, some
asphalt at the treatment plant one.

814
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:26,720
And then next we'll go to um, as you'll
see, upgrade to the SCADA. So the SCADA

815
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:31,040
is the, you know, communication um of
what's going on at those treatment

816
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:37,440
plants. And so this would be for us to
do improvements for that um software or

817
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:44,480
actually the equipment at um treatment
plants 2, four, five, and six. You have

818
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:50,799
any questions on that?
And then um $17.7

819
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:57,119
million in um improvements.
Um you'll see that you know we do meters

820
01:00:54,240 --> 01:01:04,079
every year having to add the new meters.
Um what you'll you'll see there is um

821
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:09,200
a lot of projects but let's let's just
be able to hit some of the high ones. A

822
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:15,599
12-in uh water man replacement on 98
between 34 and 32. And that is the area

823
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:19,599
that they continue to have um breaks in.
And so to be able to replace that whole

824
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:23,040
area
um would save on when they happen to

825
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,000
have to shut keep shutting the water off
because we keep on having breaks is to

826
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:34,319
replace that whole line there. Um you'll
see another you know 1.5 million for 12

827
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:41,839
in on old Pierce
um to 181. And then the big project here

828
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:45,680
is a um a 2 milliongal tank that's going
to we're going to spread that over

829
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:51,920
multiple years, but we've budgeted for
this year is 9 million. Um so that is a

830
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:56,559
multi-year project. Um right now it's
being engineered. So um you'll be seeing

831
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:01,680
this come soon.
Um and then

832
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:06,720
well number four is to drill a new well
new um treatment plant. That's the 1 um

833
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:11,200
2 million
Um, and you can see just some other

834
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,920
upgrades. Is there any questions on
those? I know it's a lot. Chairman,

835
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,280
» I have a question.
>> Yes, sir. Please.

836
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:23,200
» You know, obviously the $9 million water
tank jumps off the page. Um, it used to

837
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:30,480
be about a million dollars for a million
gallons, and so let's just say

838
01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:35,440
it used to be $2 million for two million
gallons. So, we're at four and a half

839
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:41,200
times that. and inflation. I know I've
been on this council a long time. I

840
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:44,640
don't think it's 450% in that time.
>> Is there anything that we can do about

841
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,440
that? I mean, this is this is highway
robbery. I mean, this is highway

842
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:53,520
robbery.
>> And and I I mean, I'm um know somebody

843
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:57,599
that's at G Shores utility and I mean,
when he told me the number of what

844
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:01,760
they're they just did the same same
tank. Believe me, I was I was on

845
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,119
vacation texting mayor like let me tell
you what G shores the what it just came

846
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,000
in. I'm like we don't have enough in the
budget.

847
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:11,760
» Well, they know that we're growing and
they know we have to have it and they

848
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:16,480
know that you know our citizens demand
us to say yes to this. But I don't know

849
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,480
if there's a way to say no to this.
>> It's really

850
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,280
» so that they get a message that they're
not going to make $9 million.

851
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:26,160
» It's really not 9 million. It's 12
million split over two years. So it's 9

852
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:30,559
million then plus three million. And um
to be honest, I mean, if you it's not

853
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:34,160
only here in Baldwin County, across the
state, if you're in utility meetings,

854
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,920
this is what a 2 million gallon tank is
running, unfortunately, because I'm like

855
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:42,240
you. I've been around long enough where
it was basically a million dollars a per

856
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:47,280
million gallons.
>> And yeah, and now we're are

857
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:51,680
» I hope when we bid it, it comes in less,
but I mean, obviously, we'll do

858
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:53,839
competitive bids, but I mean,
>> right now, that's what we're seeing in

859
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,960
the industry.
>> Well, what did it cost? Crazy to paint

860
01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:00,079
that tank. It
>> cost a million. Yeah, it cost a million

861
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,160
dollars to paint the tank right now.
Just to paint it, to drain it and paint

862
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:07,599
it.
>> Yeah.

863
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:13,039
» I bought my first house in Fair $55,000.
>> I'd like to maybe look a committee of

864
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:16,640
experts that can go all over this
country. I mean, you could pay people to

865
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,760
live here for a year and build it. I
mean, it's still I mean, it's crazy.

866
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:23,200
» It's expensive. I agree.
>> I have no interest in hiring a local

867
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:26,720
company if that's what it cost.
>> Yeah. And again, we've had, you know,

868
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:29,760
folks reaching out and we want to make
sure we get the best price possible. So,

869
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:33,359
I'm hoping that we get a lot of bids,
but there are not local contractors to

870
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,440
be honest. They're out of Texas and
other places that are that are looking

871
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,799
at these.
>> Got to be somewhere in this country that

872
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,799
people need work. I mean, got to be.
>> But we've looked at North Ballin just

873
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:43,520
put a
>> Yeah, North Ballin just did one at

874
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,200
» NLIS.
>> I mean, so we we've been looking around

875
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:53,079
and this is basically the going cost of
them.

876
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,079
Any

877
01:04:53,839 --> 01:05:03,359
other questions? It's a lot.
Um, wastewater. Um, again, we, as y'all

878
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:09,039
can see around town, we've been
continuing to do work. Um, so what we're

879
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:15,119
asking for in 27 is a little bit less
than what we've done. Um, but it's still

880
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:19,119
it's still a lot. um vehicles and
equipment. You can see they're wanting a

881
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:24,240
side by side for the um wastewater
treatment plant. Another new vehicle.

882
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:27,720
And then the big ticket item is a um
camera van.

883
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:34,799
If you um have any detailed questions on
the camera van, um Darl or mayor can be

884
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,520
able to answer a little bit more. But
the van we currently have is nine years

885
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:41,760
old.
>> Nine years old.

886
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:46,720
» Nine years old. Yes.
Um and capital improvement. You'll see

887
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:53,200
that the concrete apron at the
wastewater treatment plant of 30,000

888
01:05:50,000 --> 01:06:01,119
and then um 17.6
million um INI um mitigation and y'all

889
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:09,280
just approved um last meeting the
$500,000 on that contract.

890
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:16,960
um Valley Force um lift station um or
main is 200,000.

891
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:21,839
The 181 main and um force main and um
two regional lift station is 5 million

892
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:29,359
in this budget that is a multi-year
project. Um so that will that is looking

893
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:34,720
at the really the 15 million going over
and then um hot taps of force man of

894
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,720
80,000. You have any questions before we
go to the next page?

895
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:43,359
» I've got a couple questions on
um on these. So

896
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:48,319
well and I'll start on this page. the
sewer camera van 450,000

897
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:53,520
I feel like and and I know it said it on
here is outdated but didn't we just do a

898
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:58,640
pretty extensive outsourcing of that if
we have this kind of equipment do we are

899
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:05,920
we not able to handle more of that kind
of sewer line filming inhouse or is this

900
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:12,160
only for smaller projects
is I feel like we just did a very large

901
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:15,599
outsource job to to have somebody come
in and film home our lines. Am I am I

902
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:19,440
not remembering that correctly?
>> So So that that was a contract we had

903
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:23,920
through our INI mitigation. That was the
CIP and manhole restoration. Um and

904
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:27,520
that's kind of an annual thing we're
doing as part of the INI,

905
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:32,000
» right? I guess that's my question. We
have a almost a half a million dollar

906
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:36,480
camera van. Is that not something we
would do with this?

907
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:40,880
» It it is in addition to I mean that our
current van van goes out every single

908
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:45,920
day. Okay. Um, it goes out every day.
And, um,

909
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:50,240
one of the a lot of the issues with our
current camera van is it's old, it's

910
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:55,440
outdated, the software is hard to get,
the parts are damn near uh, obsolete.

911
01:07:52,720 --> 01:08:00,240
Um, there's long lead times, and our
support for that van is in Jackson,

912
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,760
Mississippi.
So, anytime we have to take the van, we

913
01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:07,920
have to drive it all the way to
Mississippi, get it worked on for a

914
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:12,000
couple days, and then bring it back. the
current van we want to get um kind of

915
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,280
mirrors DAP util that Daphne utilities
van they they just got a brand new one.

916
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,080
I've sent guys over there. They're
looking at it. They're they're putting

917
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:24,080
their hands on it. They're they're
getting to use a little bit and um it it

918
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:28,080
the and the local support is in Mobile.
It's not in Mississippi.

919
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:32,560
» Hey Darl, I think too his question is
couldn't we not do the INI camera

920
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:37,440
instead of doing a $500,000 contract?
And I think probably the answer

921
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,520
» or vice versa. We're we're using our our
sewer.

922
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:45,040
» I didn't realize we were using it every
single day. Yeah. So, I I didn't know

923
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:47,600
that there. I did not realize it was in
you couldn't do a project like that

924
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:49,920
because you'd have to continually pull
it and it would cut into operations

925
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,159
basically.
>> And we we we don't have the personnel to

926
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:55,120
do that.
>> Yeah. I really didn't know y'all use it

927
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:59,120
that frequently. So,
>> Mr. Chairman, I'm going to ask Darl,

928
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:03,839
what makes that van cost what makes that
camera van450,000?

929
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:08,239
» Uh, it's the technology in it. Um those
cameras are that that that that sewer

930
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:14,159
camera the one that actually goes is
very expensive. Um just the technology

931
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:17,759
in it alone is is state-of-the-art and
that and we mirrored that price off of

932
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,120
what Daphne Utilities paid for theirs.
>> Well, the van is what kind of the van

933
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,560
can't be more than the shell of a van,
right? I mean, is it What kind of van?

934
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,359
» Well, it is it's it's outfitted with
with the camera and and

935
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,560
» what kind of van is it, please?
>> It's a Ford or or a

936
01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:34,880
» line, something like that.
>> Yeah. So, it's a $50,000 van and

937
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:37,440
$400,000 worth of equipment on it.
>> Yeah.

938
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:42,199
» And those cameras and the technology is
400 grand.

939
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,199
» Yes. It's expensive.

940
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:51,000
» Build water towers.
>> Jack, you're not liking the paradox of

941
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,000
inflation.

942
01:09:52,719 --> 01:09:58,800
» Like I said, we we we me and and and my
guys, we've done our research on it and

943
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,080
we're, you know, we're we try to get the
best bang for our buck.

944
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,440
Yeah, it's going to save a lot of money
not having to drive it at Jackson,

945
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:09,920
Mississippi.
>> And then we're out of a camera van for a

946
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:14,719
week, week and a half.
>> Yeah, that's a big pain.

947
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:20,159
» So, um,
>> look at the positives.

948
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:25,159
» All right, y'all ready for page number
two?

949
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:25,159
» Yeah.

950
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:35,120
Um, page number number two. um insertion
valves. Um and that is not just one

951
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:39,040
valve. That's that could be up to about
six. I mean, depends on the number of

952
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:44,080
inches. Make sure it's right. The number
of inches that um those valves are put

953
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:48,320
in. But those valves do save um when
they have to um cut off some water. They

954
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:53,760
have areas that they can just cut a
section off. And so inserting these

955
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:59,600
valves um actually help um this ain't
necessarily water. This is a sewer. So,

956
01:10:55,679 --> 01:11:05,600
um those valves do help in those areas.
>> Um relocating a force man on scene at 98

957
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:11,920
of 400,000.
Um our on call contractor of 200,000 and

958
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:17,360
you have seen that on water and on
sewer. We have the on call contractors

959
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:21,520
and those are for um areas or times when
they don't have the equipment or the

960
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:27,679
availability to get into some breaks
that may happen. um that it could be a

961
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:33,520
time that it's too deep that um they'll
have those on call on on call

962
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:41,520
contractors come in. Um some of our
larger larger projects here we're um 2.8

963
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:46,320
million it is a rollover um but that is
going to be for rehab of the Grand Hotel

964
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:52,159
lift station. We have this in
combination that we have um the regional

965
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:57,040
lift station and um then once the
regional lift station that's the 2.8 and

966
01:11:54,239 --> 01:12:01,520
then it's the Grand Hotel at the 750 and
then we also have in there that's the

967
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:06,080
engineering that's still part of um that
project.

968
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:11,360
Um there's several um lift stations on
here. Magnolia Beach Apartments for

969
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:17,920
660,000 East of the Sun lift station
1.2.

970
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:24,239
Um we have some air scrubbers for the um
lift station 100,000 Twin Beach um

971
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:29,199
bypass pump 200,000
some um a half a you know half a million

972
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:34,080
for just some general lift station
upgrades and these are some stations

973
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:41,520
that they end up failing um that they
were unknown and so that pot of money is

974
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:47,280
for that. Um and then we have for the um
wastewater treatment plan expansion

975
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:52,640
phase two the engineering and design of
1.6 million and then um being able to

976
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:55,600
put a million dollars of um blowers at
the treatment plant. Do you'all have any

977
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:00,159
questions? That's a lot going on.
>> Got a question. Are the rollovers

978
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,480
captured in the system improvements for
26 and 27?

979
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:06,320
» Yes.
>> Okay. So we're So if you look at that

980
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:09,440
number and you add the two together,
that's being some of those numbers are

981
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:13,600
being double.
>> That's right. Okay. That's right. And so

982
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,239
when I'm trying to look at look at cash
needs,

983
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,520
» you need to know what's still coming.
>> Yeah. I still need to know what's

984
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:24,800
coming. I have to look at projects that
are or contracts I've already approved

985
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,920
and they're they're still coming. And
then if there's anything new, I've got

986
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:31,600
to add those together.
>> And then random question for Darl, East

987
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,159
of the Sun lift station. And I hadn't
heard that name yet. Where where exactly

988
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:37,199
is that?
>> Yeah, we've got we've got some unique

989
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,080
names. We don't know where they came
from,

990
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:44,080
» but um that's over by Spring Run. It's
kind of tucked away back in there, but

991
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:47,520
it's a it's a high volume station and a
lot of that cost

992
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:51,280
» um a lot of that cost is going to be
getting that force mane off of doghouse,

993
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:58,000
which is another
>> Now, that one I've heard of for years.

994
01:13:53,760 --> 01:14:03,199
So, um, and that's, um, you know, during
during significant rain events that that

995
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,520
do house lid lift station gets a lot of
use.

996
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,120
» So, we're trying to take we want to
remove some of that flow. Also, East of

997
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:12,800
the Sun lift station needs it just needs
a whole new rehab. It's a very, very old

998
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:16,239
station.
>> Council, any questions for Daryl or Kim?

999
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:20,320
» I want to follow up with your question.
I think I understood it. I think I

1000
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:25,920
understood. Kim, you're u you said that
those rollovers were included in both.

1001
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:29,440
So, if we had spent that I got roughly I
was doing some really quick math about

1002
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:35,280
4.8 million. Does that sound about
right? About 4.8 million. So, if we had

1003
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:37,600
spent it all in 2026, that number
wouldn't have changed because that's

1004
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:41,920
what was budgeted. Right.
>> Right.

1005
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:48,080
» In 2027 would have been reduced by 4.8
million and that number would be 12.8

1006
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:53,040
roughly instead of 17.6 and so the
reduction would have been significantly

1007
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:58,159
less. Yes, it would be
>> like 50% reduction almost and some 40 40

1008
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,600
to 50% reduction. So that's
>> because when you look at those two

1009
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:03,600
numbers
>> that makes it look a lot better if you

1010
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,080
look at it as if it had been spent then.
>> Okay.

1011
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,560
» I was looking at that across the board
for all of all of them. I thought oh my

1012
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:12,400
gosh
>> there's no way we've spent that much

1013
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:15,440
money and we still spent a lot of money
but

1014
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,520
» makes me feel better spend it and then
it would made this year's number a lot

1015
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,280
less anyway.
>> Yeah. And we budget we budgeted to

1016
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:24,880
borrow 40 million this year. So that
kind of gives you an idea that we've

1017
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:29,840
been, you know, um, we borrowed an
additional five and so we've been what I

1018
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:34,239
call limping along. Some of these
contracts haven't, you know, gone out to

1019
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:39,199
bid. You know, engineering is still
working on some things. I know like the

1020
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:44,400
um the regional the force main and the
regional lift station that's been in the

1021
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:49,040
works for a couple of years. Um, so you
know, some of these, you know, we we

1022
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:52,640
haven't, you know, got there yet.
>> Council President, I have a question.

1023
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:56,400
And Kim, you and Kim and council, you
can help me. Um, I haven't done a deep

1024
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,520
dive. I'm I'm going to take water and
sewer sort of out of it because we know

1025
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:03,440
there's some significant challenges and
and upgrades and stuff that we have

1026
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:11,120
planned, but for gas and electric, we're
operating at a significant deficit um to

1027
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:14,880
to income. And how I mean, obviously,
you can't do that sustainably forever.

1028
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:19,600
So, how common has it been in the last
few years to

1029
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:23,199
to operate at this level of because I
see it's a reduction. So, it's I mean

1030
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:25,199
last year we spent even more but does
this

1031
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,800
» I only see one year here, right? If
there was five years maybe it'd be

1032
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:31,040
easier to tell.
>> Well, on the um when we got the rate

1033
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:40,719
study that was based on 22's number for
gas. So, at gas we were at 78 78%

1034
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:45,520
recovery. So, not at 100%, you know,
recovery. Um, but we really focused on

1035
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:49,280
water and sewer, you know, water and
sewer. And I know it's very hard for

1036
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:54,000
y'all to come in and, you know, do rate
increases. You get a lot of phone calls,

1037
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:58,239
but, um, that is that is one that I'
I've looked at, you know, a lot today.

1038
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:02,640
Um, looking at our rates, looking at
some other rates, looking back at that

1039
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:07,199
study. Um, so for gas, we're going to
have to increase those rates. Um, I just

1040
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:13,520
know when that rate study comes back,
we'll even be further down that down the

1041
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:17,520
hole really. Um, and so on gas, the last
time the rates were increased, it looks

1042
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:21,520
like around 1516
was the last time rates were increased

1043
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:25,120
on there. We do add a labor cost
adjustment every year. I calculate that

1044
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:29,520
after the budgets pass. I look at
actual, look at um what we're budgeting

1045
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,199
and so we put in the labor cost
adjustment. So that's really the only

1046
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:38,960
thing that's been going in the base rate
is the labor cost adjustment, but the

1047
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:45,360
actual per cubic feet, am I saying that
right? Swiss um cubic feet rate has not

1048
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:55,840
changed. And so actually looking at a
competitor um our our rate is 148 and a

1049
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:59,760
competitor um utility is $210.
So that really shows you that, you know,

1050
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:05,120
but we haven't we haven't really focused
on gas. Um electric, we looked at their

1051
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:09,760
rates in 23
before the um study came out. The study

1052
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:17,520
came out and showed electric electric
looked good. It was at 100% capacity

1053
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:21,840
recovery. But in 2018, it was even it
was even better. So you can tell like

1054
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:27,920
it's gone down. I can see from looking
and you the charts I've showed y'all is

1055
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:33,120
from 23 to 27's budget. You can see like
on electric the cost is just doing this

1056
01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:37,760
but our but our rates is is you know
revenues are staying flat. So there is

1057
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:42,080
some adjustments that um I'm going to
recommend you know as part of this

1058
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:45,679
budget especially for the gas and the
water and the sanitation that we need to

1059
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,679
increase rates.
>> Oh and can I address that a little bit

1060
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,239
too?
>> Yes sir please. You mind chairman?

1061
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:55,440
» Of course not.
>> Uh so you know on the on the gas

1062
01:18:53,440 --> 01:19:02,159
especially if if you look to me if you
look at the net operating of the gas it

1063
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:06,159
looks good and you know we have finally
gotten into this cast iron replacement

1064
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:09,440
that was has been you know we've known
about this for 20 years and so we're

1065
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:13,120
finally getting in the meat of it. If
you took away that $5 million a year

1066
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:17,280
that we're having to put into it every
year and you get past that once we get

1067
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:20,320
past that as well. I'm not saying we
don't need to look at rates because we

1068
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:23,760
absolutely need to look at rates and
keep up with inflation makes some more

1069
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:29,360
sense after that. But with but but gas
is like really performing well if you

1070
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:34,000
just look at a net operating um balance
sheet and then you look at electric I

1071
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:38,719
think it's starting to fall behind but
something that Kim has said to me before

1072
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,640
she's correctly recognized is that we
keep adding customers which means we

1073
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:47,199
keep having to add infrastructure and we
have to have reliability and we put a

1074
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:50,880
lot of of investment into that but just
due to the efficiencies of appliances

1075
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:55,120
and lights and things like that our
revenues are pretty flat.

1076
01:19:53,120 --> 01:20:01,520
you know, people using LED lights and
people have, you know, 181 19 SER air

1077
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:07,600
conditioning units and so all of that,
you know, is kind of is is kind of

1078
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:11,920
dampening our income as well. So, you
know, one one of these days that

1079
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:16,880
that'll, you know, maybe they won't, but
the efficiencies probably will slow down

1080
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:20,400
a little bit. We may catch up, but our
rates have to catch up as well. And in

1081
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:24,400
electric too because of the territory
laws, we're not adding a ton of

1082
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:28,000
customers. Um, and we're not going to,
but you're adding efficiencies. Um, you

1083
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,840
know, where you may have had a house
that was on two lots, somebody will tear

1084
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:35,280
it down and they'll build two houses,
but again, you're building in

1085
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:38,719
efficiencies. So, um, that's where the
change in that is. In gas, we are adding

1086
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:42,239
additional customers. We're adding, I
think it was about 200 a year. Isn't

1087
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:46,320
that right, Wes? About 200 customers a
year in gas. So that that will be

1088
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,800
significant, but electric is one of
those ones that's going to, you know,

1089
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,880
continue, I think, to be a little bit of
a challenge with the cost of

1090
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,719
infrastructure.
>> Yeah. I mean, at that rate, electric, we

1091
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,640
won't even be able to do it right
>> the same amount next year.

1092
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:02,159
» And we've built two substations, you
know, two substations plus the 44 KV

1093
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:05,679
loop, which we've talked about for
years. So there's been a lot of things

1094
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:12,239
that we have paid for using cash
reserves or are using revenues that are

1095
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:16,560
50-year, you know, infrastructure. So we
have used a lot of our reserves in doing

1096
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:20,880
that.
>> And I think if you look at those

1097
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:24,719
balances in in gas and electric as well,
we still have some reserves left. So we

1098
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:27,760
had saved up for this time that we
figured we were going to do a cash burn.

1099
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,560
So we've been doing a cash burn for
several years, but we still are in the

1100
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:34,880
black.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1101
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:38,239
» Yeah. Do you have any questions?
>> Okay. Thanks.

1102
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:44,239
» Um just just to tell you what our our
plan is. the next meeting on the 14th,

1103
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:50,320
I'll go over general funds um capital
and um our capital projects fund go over

1104
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:55,760
those projects and then for the last
meeting of September would be a whole

1105
01:21:52,320 --> 01:22:01,920
overview of the budget and um you know
be a recommendation on the the passing

1106
01:21:58,159 --> 01:22:06,800
of passing of the budget. um plan is on
the week of the um September 7th is to

1107
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:11,040
give you your budget books a complete
for the budget. And so that gives y'all

1108
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:15,199
opportunity um to be able to review it.
If y'all need additional meetings,

1109
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:21,199
additional questions, please get with
mayor or me. Um and we'll be happy to

1110
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:22,560
answer any more questions.
>> Thank you, Kim.

1111
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,520
» Thanks, Kim.
>> Did a good job.

1112
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:28,560
» And has everybody had several meetings
already with you, Kim?

1113
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:36,719
» Everybody's done all meetings.
>> Okay. Excellent. Good job, everybody.

1114
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:40,679
Um, let's see. Next item up is committee
updates. Council member Brell

1115
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:46,639
» given a report on the airport authority.
Uh, we do have airport authority has a

1116
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,480
couple of uh resolutions.
>> Those are the only two support some

1117
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:55,840
grant applications
>> tonight. kind of routine stuff for us is

1118
01:22:53,360 --> 01:23:01,440
to just get the the city to sponsor the
grant application. And uh

1119
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:07,600
» we have a
streets and traffic committee meeting

1120
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:11,040
coming up in week or so, right?
>> Is that this week or next week?

1121
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,400
» September day.
>> Couple of weeks. Okay. All right. That

1122
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:17,520
that's it.
>> All right. Councilman Gamon. Uh, I

1123
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:22,560
haven't had any, but I'll have tree
committee this week and um FIFA and not

1124
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:27,679
FIFA Fair Environmental Advisory Board.
FIEA FIAB doesn't really roll like FE,

1125
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:30,159
but uh they'll be
>> thief would be a correct correct

1126
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,520
pronunciation.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1127
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:40,159
» Uh, Councilman Robinson.
>> Yeah. Rec board met um Wednesday of last

1128
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:44,639
week. uh variety of topics discussed,
but but one of the things that they're

1129
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:52,080
still working on kind of finalizing is
revising some of the uh rental uh rental

1130
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:57,600
terms for each and every facility uh
around around the city. Um once we kind

1131
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:01,600
of get that ironed out, I'll bring it
back and show you guys.

1132
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:06,080
» Um I had
>> Are you ready? I had a library meeting

1133
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:12,239
and just basically the library is very
healthy and happy at the present and

1134
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:17,120
they have their plans for the future
year and we went over all the plans and

1135
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:21,760
some really good stuff coming your way.
>> All right. And I had a mi unfortunately

1136
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:26,639
missed a parking authority meeting due
to a work conflict but had met with the

1137
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:31,199
chairman the day day or so before that.
So, they were mostly going over um kind

1138
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:37,520
of the parking study recommendations we
had and trying to determine how they

1139
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:41,920
could best help or or best um fit in
with with next steps and kind of

1140
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:48,480
engaging on that. I've got a couple
meetings coming up in the next few weeks

1141
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:52,719
and I think that's it. So, um at this
time, council, if if y'all like, let's

1142
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:56,400
take about a 10-minute break and plan on
starting back around 5:40. Yeah, sounds

1143
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:59,480
good.
>> All right.

1144
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:22,159
We're going to go ahead and get started
tonight.

1145
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:27,600
Um, welcome to the August 24th city
council meeting. Um, first item is to

1146
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:30,800
have my good friend, Reverend Ellen
Huckabe,

1147
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:34,960
lead us in the prayer followed by the
pledge.

1148
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:41,440
» Thank you for being here.
>> Thank you. Let us pray. Almighty God,

1149
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:45,119
our creator, redeemer, and sustainer, we
give you thanks for the abundant gifts

1150
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:50,719
you have entrusted to the people of Fair
Hope. We give you thanks for our mayor,

1151
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:55,280
city council members, police officers,
first responders, and municipal

1152
01:38:52,560 --> 01:39:00,480
employees. We lift up their service to
you today, asking you to make them wise

1153
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:05,520
and discerning leaders.
Give them the grace for their eyes to

1154
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:11,119
remain open to see your hand at work in
the world around them as they work for

1155
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:16,560
justice, peace, and the common good.
Loving God, give us all the humility to

1156
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:22,400
recognize that every neighbor we
encounter, whether they sit beside us or

1157
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:29,040
across the table, is a sibling in
Christ, created in your image. All this

1158
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:32,040
we ask in the name of Jesus. Amen.
>> Amen.

1159
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:40,719
To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

1160
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:44,719
stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

1161
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:51,119
for all.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Ellen. All right,

1162
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:55,280
council. Uh, first item on tonight's
agenda is to approve the minutes of the

1163
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:57,920
August 10th regular city council meeting
and the minutes of the August 10th work

1164
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:00,000
session.
>> So moved.

1165
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:03,600
» Got a motion. Second
>> and a second. Any changes,

1166
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,920
modifications?
>> All right, hearing none. All in favor,

1167
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,440
please say I.
>> I.

1168
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:10,719
» I.
>> All right, minutes pass. Mayor, your

1169
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:14,000
report.
>> Thank you. Um, I really don't have much

1170
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:17,280
of a report tonight. I just really want
to thank our staff and thank the city

1171
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:21,040
council. We've been working hard on the
budget and we had our first budget

1172
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:24,960
presentation tonight. Um, I just want to
thank all the leadership in particular

1173
01:40:22,719 --> 01:40:27,920
for um, being real timely and working on
the budget this year. And again, thank

1174
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:30,880
you to all the council members for um
making time to come to those budget

1175
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:34,239
meetings. I know they are not fun and
they last a long time, but it's

1176
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:38,080
important that we're all there working
together as a team. And really want to

1177
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:41,840
thank Kim and her staff who've worked
really hard on the budget as well. Um we

1178
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:45,920
also tonight in the work session had a
presentation from um Hannah Non, our HR

1179
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:50,080
director, about the compensation study.
And again, thank you to Hannah and her

1180
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:53,040
team um for for taking on that. That's a
huge undertaking and it's really

1181
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:57,280
important to our employees and important
to um being able to retain staff. So,

1182
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,520
um, appreciate her and her all her
efforts. Thank you.

1183
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:05,360
» You.
>> All right, that's it. That was that was

1184
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:11,760
short. Okay. Um, next item up is public
participation. And this is going to be

1185
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:16,239
for agenda items 5 through 21. We'll
skip agenda item four because that's a

1186
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:21,119
public hearing. And in fact, guys, we're
going to skip that up until the point at

1187
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:25,679
6:00. And um, just since that's when we
would have advertised for that to start.

1188
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:30,560
So, um, at this time the floor is open.
You've got up to 3 minutes to cover

1189
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:33,920
anything on items 5 through 21. You'll
have another opportunity at the end of

1190
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:40,760
the meeting to address public
participation items that are not covered

1191
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:40,760
on the agenda. So, floor is open.

1192
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:48,960
All right. Seeing no one, we'll close
the floor and council comments. Uh,

1193
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,480
Councilman Brell,
>> I have none.

1194
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:54,159
» Oh, I thought we were doing that at the
end. Never mind. Oh, well, we're we're

1195
01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:59,840
moving it up to
>> Councilman Gam.

1196
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:02,320
» Uh, yeah. Um,
he threw me off. I thought we're doing

1197
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:08,800
the end.
>> I'm sorry. Yeah, that that was just a

1198
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:12,960
typo. We always do it right afteration.
>> Um, no, I mean, obviously, uh, it's been

1199
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:17,119
the last time we were in this chambers
was in for a very, uh, spirited

1200
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:20,560
discussion over city schools and, uh,
the this county school system. and want

1201
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:24,320
to thank everybody that came out and
thank you for the um the feedback that

1202
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,840
we received. Obviously, there was a lot
of u misinformation on there that we had

1203
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:31,280
already made up our minds or that a
decision had already been made which

1204
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:36,800
couldn't be further from the truth. But
um I guess the apologies to anybody if

1205
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:42,800
if we didn't communicate that clearly
enough uh where in my day job uh we say

1206
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:46,560
perception is reality. So um if we made
an error obviously we did. So, apologize

1207
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:50,960
to the citizens if anybody was concerned
or thought that we were taking a vote

1208
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:55,040
that night or the night after to remove
kids from schools. That certainly wasn't

1209
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:58,639
it. I don't think that um that
conversation, even though we've we've

1210
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:02,000
suspended it for now, uh doesn't mean
there's any valid points or invalid

1211
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:05,840
points on either side. I think that
there's many benefits to staying inside

1212
01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:09,679
of the county. Um we've seen that US
News and World Report that just came

1213
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:14,320
out. We're in the top, I'll say 4% of
all high schools in the nation. Um which

1214
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:18,320
is a pretty amazing feat. Um, and
there's, you know, all the benefits and

1215
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:21,679
all the every all the talking points. A
lot of the students and stuff came up

1216
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,679
really talk about that how great of a
school system that we have and how um

1217
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:29,440
beneficial it is to stay in the county.
But I think it's also important to point

1218
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:33,280
out that there are some benefits to
leaving this uh the county and having a

1219
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:36,880
city school system. You know, the
proponents talked about uh potentially,

1220
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:39,920
right, devil's in the details and the
numbers, but potentially having more

1221
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:44,000
money to spend per pupil. That's
disputed depending upon which study you

1222
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:50,480
look at. um having greater local control
and um you know a number of other items

1223
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:55,520
but uh it's it's a good thing for us to
have these discussions and for us to

1224
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:58,719
figure out uh is the status quo correct
or should we investigate something

1225
01:43:57,119 --> 01:44:01,920
different and so I always encourage
folks to to come to me with those

1226
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:05,199
questions and I think it was a great
conversation for us to have about this

1227
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,040
and about anything you know we should
always be looking forward to the future

1228
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:14,080
and saying what could we possibly be as
opposed to what are we today um so thank

1229
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:18,719
you everybody that came out and looking
forward to talking through other things,

1230
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:22,320
» sir. All right, Councilman Robinson,
>> I do not currently have any comment.

1231
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:27,600
Councilman B.
>> No, I do not.

1232
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:32,239
» Okay. Well, I guess I will uh try to try
to keep it short and sweet. Then I I

1233
01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:36,639
just would would echo Councilman Gammon,
thank you to everyone who came out,

1234
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:41,440
participated, completed a survey online.
Um, you know, we were asking for input

1235
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:46,960
and and I think we we got it. We heard
it. I think um maybe I you know

1236
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:53,440
communication on my side maybe what was
missed was um somehow I think the the

1237
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:58,159
expectation was that we had this looming
pending vote that we were about to take

1238
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:03,920
in any minute. And the reality is all we
were asking is tell us what you want us

1239
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:07,760
to pursue. Pursue or not pursue. We're
just looking for feedback. And the good

1240
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:11,679
news is we did get feedback. So, we got
some clear direction and and I

1241
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:16,159
appreciate people being involved and um
we do need to have difficult

1242
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:22,159
conversations about education and many
other topics uh during our time here.

1243
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:26,639
So, um, we do like having an engaged,
uh, community and and I think that we're

1244
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:31,040
in a special place and, you know, the
fact that some of the issues we're

1245
01:45:28,239 --> 01:45:36,239
trying to weigh are, you know, can we be
better than the third or the sixth best

1246
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:39,760
school in the state, you know, we we
have so many people coming downtown that

1247
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:44,639
we can't find places to park during
lunchtime and, you know, the issues we

1248
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:48,880
have in Fair Hope, I think a lot of uh a
lot of places would love to have. So,

1249
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:52,719
we're very fortunate, very blessed, and
um special community, and I just

1250
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:58,159
appreciate everyone being out there and
being engaged. So,

1251
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:01,600
moving on, uh public hearing. We still
got to wait 10 or 12 minutes for you

1252
01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:05,840
guys. So,
>> um Eric,

1253
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:09,360
» we wait on your two for a little bit.
So, we're going to come back to the top

1254
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:14,560
of the order in a little bit, and we
will move on to um item number six,

1255
01:46:12,719 --> 01:46:19,520
which is a resolution that Mayor Sherry
Sullivan is hereby authorized to execute

1256
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:23,960
change order number one for Julins Plaza
Project with a cost of 17,975.72

1257
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:33,400
to award change order number one to
RHD's Building Company LLC. The new

1258
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:33,400
total contract will be $450,373.86.

1259
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:40,000
Authorized treasur to transfer
1797572

1260
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:44,400
in the fiscal year budget from general
fund to capital projects fund.

1261
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:49,040
» Motion to approve.
>> Got a motion and a second.

1262
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:52,400
» Any further discussion? And we covered
in the work session. This is just to

1263
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:58,080
move the pavers
basically on on that project from around

1264
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:00,400
the corner so that we uh are still
having the memorialized pavers for

1265
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:04,639
people in place.
>> The memorialized pavers or what that was

1266
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:09,280
concerned. So yes, we're going to move
them properly.

1267
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:12,639
» Yes. So any motion? Second. Any
questions? All right. All in favor,

1268
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:15,920
please say I.
>> I.

1269
01:47:13,679 --> 01:47:19,920
» All right. Motion passes.
Item number seven is a resolution to

1270
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:27,119
award a bid to Fair Hope Building
Company for the re for the relocation of

1271
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:34,000
the Henry Stewart House from 22787US98
to Flying Creek Nature Preserve with a

1272
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:39,920
bid proposal not to exceed $421,50
which includes a project contingency of

1273
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:46,000
10% and a $30,000 contingency for MEP
and landscape materials. This project is

1274
01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:52,320
100% funded by donations.
>> May I speak before sir motion for that?

1275
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:56,639
Yeah. I uh I spoke to Mr. Sunonny Brewer
last week and he just wanted to send his

1276
01:47:54,400 --> 01:48:00,480
deep regrets to to everyone for not
being able to attend

1277
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:05,760
» uh tonight. he had an emergency and had
to be out of town and uh anyway, but

1278
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:10,080
that he he just wanted to, you know, let
everybody know what a big deal it is and

1279
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:13,280
let everybody know that, you know, how
the rest of the country is watching

1280
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:18,639
this. This is a piece of of history. So,
I think that that all the citizens owe a

1281
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:22,960
a debt of gratitude to Mr. Sunny Brewer.
Um we thank him a lot and and everybody

1282
01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:26,320
that worked with him. you know, he's not
only an author, now he's a

1283
01:48:24,159 --> 01:48:30,639
philanthropist and an activist and and
they raised a 100% of the the the

1284
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:34,480
private funds needed to to move this.
So, uh you know, he put his heart and

1285
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:38,960
soul into it and I just wanted to make
uh you know, make it known during this

1286
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:42,560
meeting that he he's really sad that he
couldn't be here. So, uh you know, we we

1287
01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:46,080
miss him and we thank him for all that
he did. And mayor, do you want to add on

1288
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:48,960
to that? I know he spoke to you and
shared his sentiments.

1289
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:51,920
» No. Um, you you summed it up great,
Jack, but there is also several people

1290
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:55,760
here in the audience who've been
instrumental in that. Dick Scott's here,

1291
01:48:53,760 --> 01:49:00,719
also Katherine King, I think Savan
Wilson. So, there's been several several

1292
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:04,080
folks working on this. Um, Fairup Single
Tax has been instrumental in this

1293
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:07,440
project. So, again, thank you to
everybody that's been involved. I'm

1294
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:10,880
really excited to see at, you know, the
Henry Stewart house at their permanent

1295
01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:14,880
home at the Flying Creek Nature
Preserve. And, um, again, we'll see that

1296
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:18,320
hopefully sometime around the first of
the year. You know, I want to add just a

1297
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:22,719
personal thought on that is that I'm
really happy that we are we're able to

1298
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:27,360
move it to a location that that he
actually would have, you know, walked in

1299
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:32,159
in his lifetime, you know, that the area
between Flying Creek and Rock Creek, you

1300
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:35,760
know, and uh you know, he knew that
area. That was that was where he lived.

1301
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:39,440
And so we're we're able to move it. It's
not going to be on the site that he

1302
01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:43,520
built it on, but it's going to be within
walking distance and certainly land that

1303
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:45,679
he would have traversed in his lifetime.
So,

1304
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,600
» it's going to be much more visible. I
think it's a great location. And also,

1305
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:53,760
we want to thank Richard for doing such
a gut good job as well.

1306
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:58,880
» I I'll just add that I gave him a shout
out on the radio this morning because

1307
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:03,040
when the price practically doubled to
421,000,

1308
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:06,239
I didn't really think they would be able
to raise all of that money

1309
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:10,480
independently. I thought they would come
back to the city and ask for more. and

1310
01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:13,600
and I was thrilled to give them the land
to put it on, but I kind of felt like

1311
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:18,560
the money needed to be raised through
private donations. And you know, they

1312
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:23,280
certainly he certainly showed me they
they raised every bit of it through

1313
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:28,560
private donations and tells me that we
have some incredibly generous donors um

1314
01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:33,119
out there in this community, but also
people that really value preserving

1315
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:37,440
history and and I think it's fantastic
that we're keeping it and keeping it in

1316
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:42,800
a as you said a very similar type of
location. It's not like we're moving it

1317
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:48,080
to some completely unrelatable property.
It's moving to places very similar to

1318
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:52,239
what he would have been uh living on
back in the day. So, congratulations,

1319
01:50:50,480 --> 01:50:54,960
Sunny. Everybody else that was involved.
Very well done.

1320
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:58,639
» And I think it's going to make a great
VBO myself.

1321
01:50:56,320 --> 01:51:02,159
» I
I think that'll be it would be fun to be

1322
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:04,239
out there and watch them when they
actually are bringing it down the

1323
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:08,880
street. That'll be
>> Well, they're worth watching. I get a

1324
01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:13,600
good view of it. Councilman. Yes, sir.
President Conurs, I I'd also like to say

1325
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:18,080
that there were some some anonymous
donors that that that that donated very

1326
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:22,159
large sums of money for this and they
remain anonymous and so that you know,

1327
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:25,760
God, you got to love an anonymous donor
that just gives, you know, tens of

1328
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:30,239
thousands of dollars. So, thank you to
those unnamed people.

1329
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:33,600
» I was going to say over $150,000,
one private individual donor. So, I'm

1330
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:37,360
hoping at some point they will allow us
to recognize them, but that's a huge

1331
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:42,639
contribution. Well, and if they won't,
they're hopefully watching. Thank you

1332
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:46,000
» very much. Um, on that note, would
anybody like to make a motion on this?

1333
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:49,520
» Motion.
>> All right, we've got a motion.

1334
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:53,360
» Second and two seconds. Lisa, who got
it?

1335
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:56,880
» Ladies first.
>> Okay.

1336
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:59,599
» Motion and two seconds. All in favor of
the resolution, please say I.

1337
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:05,520
» I.
>> Any opposed? All right. Motion passes.

1338
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:09,280
Congratulations. Well done. Um, item
number eight is a resolution to adopt a

1339
01:52:07,679 --> 01:52:12,960
transportation plan pursuant to the
Rebuild Alabama Act for fiscal year

1340
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,000
2027.
>> So moved.

1341
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:20,159
» Got a motion and a second. And this is
relative to the 1-cent gas tax. Any

1342
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:23,280
further discussion?
>> Great details there.

1343
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:24,480
» All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I.

1344
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:29,360
» I.
>> I. Any opposed? All right. Motion

1345
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:34,560
passes.
Um, item number nine is a resolution

1346
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:37,920
that the city council approves the
selection of Mayor Sher Sullivan for

1347
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:41,360
professional engineering services for
the construction of materials and

1348
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:47,199
special inspections for the first
responders safe room project to Geocon,

1349
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:52,960
Inc. and hereby authorize Mayor Sher
Sullivan to negotiate

1350
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:57,080
um to execute the contract and and for a
not to exceed amount of $30,000.

1351
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:03,760
» Move. I'll second.
>> Got a motion and a second. And this is

1352
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:08,960
90% reimburseable through FEMA grant.
So, um, any further discussion?

1353
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:10,159
» All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I.

1354
01:53:09,840 --> 01:53:14,239
» I.
>> I.

1355
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:19,920
» All right. Motion passes. Item 10 is a
resolution to award a bid to Larsson

1356
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:24,400
Meridian Group LLC for fire extinguisher
inspection services annual contract in

1357
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:29,440
the amount of 55,000. If y'all recall,
it's the third time we've put this out

1358
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:33,520
of bid and Y'all are good with this one?
>> Motion to approve.

1359
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:36,719
» Got a motion and a second. Any further
discussion.

1360
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,840
All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I.

1361
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:42,159
» I.
>> I.

1362
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:46,400
» Any opposed? All right. Motion passes.
Item number 11 is a resolution that the

1363
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:50,560
city council authorizes and approves the
addition of one temporary fire station

1364
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:55,760
maintenance coordinator position to the
fiscal year 2026 budget to align with

1365
01:53:53,599 --> 01:53:58,960
the retirement of the incumbent who will
work with and train their replacement.

1366
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:02,800
This will be beneficial to the city as
well as the new employee and Mr.

1367
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:08,400
Sarosino is scheduled to retire
September 30th and after which this

1368
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:14,320
position would uh be defunded, roll off
and the new employee would assume

1369
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:17,920
that position
>> and we've done this several other times

1370
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:20,400
and it's been very helpful to
>> to have have somebody shadow for a

1371
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:23,040
couple months
>> approve

1372
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:26,400
» motion.
Did y motion?

1373
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:27,679
» Oh, you did you already motion?
>> Second.

1374
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,520
» Oh, you you motion?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1375
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:33,280
» All right. And we got a second. All
right. You got a motion and a second.

1376
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:35,280
Any further discussion? All right,
hearing none. All in favor, please say

1377
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,480
I.
>> I.

1378
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:41,199
» I.
>> Any opposed?

1379
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:44,560
All right. Motion passes. Item number 12
is a resolution that Mayor Sherry

1380
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:49,199
Sullivan is hereby authorized to execute
a contract with Jackson Thornton

1381
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:55,199
Advisors LLC for revenue requirements
analysis and utility cost of service

1382
01:54:51,840 --> 01:55:00,000
study uh and rate study with a not to
exceed amount of $86,800.

1383
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:02,560
This is going to cover gas, electric,
water, and sewer.

1384
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,080
» A motion to approve.
>> Got a motion.

1385
01:55:03,599 --> 01:55:07,679
» Second,
>> and a second. Any further discussion.

1386
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:12,159
» All right.
>> When will we hear back?

1387
01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:14,560
» Yeah.
>> Six months from the time they start.

1388
01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:16,800
» Six months from Yeah.
>> Thank you.

1389
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:22,320
» And it's been about four years since we
we did this. So, all right.

1390
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:25,599
All in favor of the resolution, please
say I. I.

1391
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:31,520
» I. Any opposed?
>> All right. Motion passes. Item number 13

1392
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:36,239
is a resolution that the city council
authorizes city treasurer to advertise a

1393
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:39,840
request for proposals for a bank loan
for water and wastewater.

1394
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:43,199
» So moved.
>> Second.

1395
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:45,599
» We've got a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?

1396
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:48,880
» Thank you.
>> All right. Hearing none. All in favor,

1397
01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:52,719
please say I.
>> I.

1398
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:57,599
» All right. Motion passes. Item number 14
is a resolution that the city council

1399
01:55:55,119 --> 01:56:00,800
authorizes city treasur to advertise a
request for proposals for bond

1400
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:03,199
underwriting services. Move
>> second.

1401
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:09,639
» Motion and a second. Any further
discussion?

1402
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:09,639
» All right. Left side of the dash.

1403
01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,639
» All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I.

1404
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:18,000
» I.
>> I. All right.

1405
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:22,159
» Motion passes. Item 15 is a resolution
that the city council approves and

1406
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:26,800
authorizes city treasurer to execute a
medical stoploss proposal with Symmetra

1407
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:31,679
Life Insurance Company for specific and
aggregate stop-loss insurance to be

1408
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:34,560
effective October 1st, 2026.
>> Motion to approve.

1409
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:37,840
» Got a motion.
>> Second

1410
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:42,639
» and a second. All right. Um we did go
over this in detail in the work session

1411
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:47,440
just talking through this and um this is
the the option that's been recommended

1412
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:51,520
by Coben and had some good thorough
discussion on that. So any further

1413
01:56:49,599 --> 01:56:54,400
discussion on this item? Miss is the
125. Okay.

1414
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:59,360
» Yes, sir. 125,000.
>> Yep.

1415
01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:01,119
» All right. All in favor of the
resolution, please say I.

1416
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:05,840
» I.
>> I.

1417
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:11,040
» All right. Resolution passes. Item 16 is
a resolution to approve the fiscal year

1418
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:14,960
2026 AIP grant application for land
reimbursement and that the mayor is

1419
01:57:12,560 --> 01:57:19,280
hereby authorized to sign and execute
any necessary and appropriate documents

1420
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:22,400
including grant applications and grant
agreements so that the city of Fair Hope

1421
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:27,520
and the Fair Airport Authority can
receive funding under the FAA airport

1422
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:33,760
improvement program at AIP for grant
funding in the amount of $285,339

1423
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:37,679
for land reimbursement. The matching
funds, if any, required for this AIP

1424
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:41,599
grant should be the responsibility of
the Fair Hope Airport Authority and not

1425
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:46,480
the city of Fair Hope. Council member
Bell, we did not address these two items

1426
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:51,599
really in work session since you weren't
here.

1427
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:57,119
» So, um, yeah, these these these grants
can be used for anything uh on the

1428
01:57:55,199 --> 01:58:02,639
property for for which we already have
in our master plan. And it it doesn't

1429
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:06,719
specifically have to be for land
reimbursement, although if you go back

1430
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:13,360
many years, historically, we had used
some of these grant monies to to pay off

1431
01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:19,119
some of the principle on the loan. Uh it
hasn't been used for that so much

1432
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:23,280
lately, but there are some needs that
the airport authority has, such as we

1433
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:28,800
need access roads. We need we need more
access on the east side so that that we

1434
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:32,960
can we can lease the additional land
that we have over there. Now there

1435
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:37,760
there's basically one u one road that
runs east west on the east side where

1436
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:42,719
there's a lot of new hangers and we need
a road open to the south of that.

1437
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:45,679
There's other needs. Uh I I um I was
struggling with it for a while that they

1438
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:51,280
weren't using that to pay down their
principal, but if it will help them

1439
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:56,159
increase their revenues and and they'll
agree to that land transfer on the east

1440
01:58:54,400 --> 01:58:59,920
or the west side, I'm sorry. We were
talking about the values of those lands

1441
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:03,760
once we get that road built uh on the
west side and and they're going to

1442
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:08,080
they're going to seed all of that land
to us, which they should since we've

1443
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:14,880
been paying for it since seemed like,
you know, I was a kid. But um anyway, um

1444
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:18,719
that land will be, you know, valuable. I
I' I'd put the value of that land

1445
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:22,400
somewhere, you know, between 10 and 15
million dollars once we get it improved

1446
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:26,719
and and we'll we will start seeing all
of our returns for the investment then.

1447
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:32,560
And I think that land to go quick once
we get that developed. So

1448
01:59:30,000 --> 01:59:36,320
» with that in mind, let them spend it to
improve the east side, you know. I think

1449
01:59:35,679 --> 01:59:38,400
» Okay. Thank you.
>> And I'll make the motion to approve the

1450
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:42,320
grant application.
>> Second. Got a motion and a second. Any

1451
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:45,520
further discussion?
>> All right. Well, thank you for the

1452
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:47,840
explanation and update on that. Um, all
in favor of the resolution, please say

1453
01:59:47,199 --> 01:59:50,800
I.
>> I.

1454
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:55,360
» All right. Any opposed? All right.
Motion passes. Item number 17 is a

1455
01:59:53,760 --> 02:00:01,440
resolution to approve the fiscal year
2026 AIP grant application for fencing

1456
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:05,840
project at the HL Sunny Callahan Airport
and the mayor is hereby authorized to

1457
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:10,159
sign and execute any necessary and
appropriate documents including grant

1458
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:14,239
applications grant agreement so that the
city of Fair Hope and the Fair Airport

1459
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:18,880
Authority can receive the grant funding
acting acting for and in behalf of the

1460
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:23,119
airport in Fairip, Alabama so that the
grant applications for this AIP funding

1461
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:28,480
opportunity may be finalized, approved,
and accepted in accordance with

1462
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:34,159
applicable law and procedures.
>> So, um, council president, I think, uh,

1463
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:37,280
everybody would realize that security is
paramount

1464
02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:43,199
» at an airport and, uh, we need to make
some improvements to our fencing there,

1465
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:48,560
» about 114,000 and, uh, the airport
authority will only be responsible for

1466
02:00:45,599 --> 02:00:53,280
about $5,700 of that uh, which which
they can afford. So, uh, I think we

1467
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:58,159
should, uh, uh, submit this grant and,
uh, move forward with this fencing.

1468
02:00:56,239 --> 02:01:00,320
» All right. Anyone like to make an
official motion on that?

1469
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:01,679
» I will do that.
>> Got a motion.

1470
02:01:01,119 --> 02:01:06,560
» I'll second
>> and a second. Any further discussion?

1471
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:08,719
» All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I.

1472
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:12,960
» I.
>> All right. Motion passes. Item 18 is a

1473
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:16,800
resolution that the city of Fairhip
approves the award for the request for

1474
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:21,520
quotes and labor and materials for the
installation of sand filters at the

1475
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:27,280
indoor pool to classic pools and patio
center inc for the not to exceed project

1476
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:30,880
cost of $72,900.
This public works project will be less

1477
02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:35,280
than 100,000 and therefore does not need
to be formally bid out. authorizes

1478
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:42,080
treasurer to transfer funds in the
amount of 72,900 from savings on press

1479
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:46,800
box at project at major field to
municipal pool project in the 2026

1480
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:52,000
budget with rec within recreation
capital improvements and authorized

1481
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:54,800
treasurer to pay the 50% vendor upfront.
>> Get it done. Make a motion to approve.

1482
02:01:54,159 --> 02:01:58,560
» Second.
>> Motion and a second. Any further

1483
02:01:56,639 --> 02:02:02,000
discussion?
How close are we to having the pool

1484
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:05,280
open?
Approximately 10 days.

1485
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:10,400
» Okay. 10 days. So I've had people
asking. So right after Labor Day, I

1486
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:13,280
guess. Okay. Around there.
>> Close. Or right before Labor Day. All

1487
02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:15,679
right.
>> All right. All in favor, please say I.

1488
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:20,000
» I.
>> I.

1489
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:23,360
» All right. Motion passes. Item 19 is a
request from Leslie Edgeman, uh,

1490
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:27,760
chairperson of the Fair Hope Witches
Ride, Ballwin County Humane Society,

1491
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:32,080
requesting permission to close the
streets in downtown Fair Hope on

1492
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:37,360
Thursday, October 29th,
2026 from 5:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. for the

1493
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:41,599
Fair Hope Witches Ride 2026 and for the
city to provide barricades and two power

1494
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:46,880
boxes. The ride will begin at Coastal
Alabama Community College Amphitheater.

1495
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:50,000
This whimsical bike ride benefits local
animal rescue and helps animals

1496
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:52,239
throughout our area.
>> A motion to approve.

1497
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:56,000
» Got a motion.
>> Second.

1498
02:02:52,639 --> 02:03:00,880
» And a second. Any discussion?
I'll just say um kind of downtown on

1499
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:06,800
that route. It's always interesting to
see somebody from out of town who has no

1500
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:12,960
idea what's going on when this comes by.
So, um always a good event. So, um we

1501
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:19,760
got a motion and a second. All in favor,
please say I. I. Any opposed?

1502
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:24,239
All right. Motion passes. Item 20 is an
application for retail food store

1503
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:29,840
consumable hemp products by Kamal
Constantine Manning Inc. doing business

1504
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:36,560
as Piggly Wiggly 100 Plantation Point
Road, Fair Hope, Alabama 36532.

1505
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:38,639
Chief said everything was in line.
She's back there. Would anyone like to

1506
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:42,480
make a motion?
>> Chief, has anybody began selling those

1507
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:46,480
yet? because I know that I had heard the
first two that we approved weren't

1508
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:51,360
actually selling them yet.
>> You haven't seen any?

1509
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:54,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I was just curious because the

1510
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:59,440
other two obviously besides Greers were
liquor stores which are naturally

1511
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:05,199
restricted by ages, but this one and the
Greers there's pretty strict um retail

1512
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:09,960
display rules. So, I've just I've yet to
see those in place. So,

1513
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:18,040
been looking for them.
>> You know me.

1514
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:23,679
» All right.
>> A motion to approve.

1515
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:26,480
» We've got a motion.
>> Second.

1516
02:04:24,159 --> 02:04:30,560
» And a second. Any further discussion?
>> Yes, if you don't mind. I just uh you

1517
02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:34,080
know, I want to put a warning out. Don't
break the rules on this or you will lose

1518
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:38,000
your business license. You won't lose
your license to sell these products. You

1519
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:39,679
will lose your business license. So,
you've been warned.

1520
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:43,119
» There you go.
>> Absolutely.

1521
02:04:40,239 --> 02:04:46,719
» Fair enough. All right. All in favor of
the application, please say I.

1522
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:49,119
» I. Any opposed?
>> Nay.

1523
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:54,560
» All right. We've got one nay. But motion
passes. Item 21 is an application for

1524
02:04:52,480 --> 02:05:00,080
beer and wine on and off premises
licensed by John Parin. Um, the club at

1525
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:04,800
Fair Hope Golf Works LLC doing business
as the club at Fair Hope Golf Works, 363

1526
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:08,639
Commercial Park Drive, Fair Hope,
Alabama. Chief said everything was in

1527
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:12,000
line with this application.
>> I make a motion to approve.

1528
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:15,440
» We got a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?

1529
02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:17,440
» All right. Hearing none. All in favor,
please say I. I.

1530
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:23,440
» I.
>> All right. Motion passes. Now we're

1531
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:28,480
coming back to the top of the order. And
item number four is going to be a public

1532
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:32,800
hearing for an ordinance to amend zoning
ordinance number 1253. public hearing to

1533
02:05:31,199 --> 02:05:40,480
consider the request of the applicant
SEC Civil LLC on behalf of the owner Kut

1534
02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:44,880
Kut Enterprises LLC for conditional
annexation to R1 lowdensity single

1535
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:49,840
family residential district. The
property is located at the southeast

1536
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:54,480
corner of County Road 13 and Mosley Road
and is 43.6

1537
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:56,639
acres. Would somebody like to introduce
the ordinance?

1538
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:58,320
» I'll introduce the ordinance.
>> Thank you, sir.

1539
02:05:57,840 --> 02:05:59,920
» Hunter.
>> Council President.

1540
02:05:59,040 --> 02:06:05,440
» Yes, sir. You're right.
>> Um, so we'll jump right into kind of

1541
02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:10,639
showing the property. Um, this is the
acreage that you refer to. Uh, the

1542
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:14,320
aerial on the right shows the current,
uh, conditions of the property. It is a

1543
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:21,840
large track, so what you might not be
able to see is the house uh, facing 13.

1544
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:28,880
Uh, that is currently within the, uh,
county, not within the city of Fair

1545
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:34,480
Hope. It is zoned R at the moment. Um
this is survey. I'll kind of jump jump

1546
02:06:31,840 --> 02:06:39,920
through. Um there's ne never been any
application for this particular property

1547
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:45,360
with the city. Um it's currently ab
budding this property. Uh within the

1548
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:51,199
city is RSR2. That's PON Ridge
subdivision. To the south is within the

1549
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:55,599
city is R1. And to the west is the
county rural agriculture.

1550
02:06:53,440 --> 02:07:05,119
um RSF
which I believe is 80,000 square foot

1551
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:11,520
lots and RSF2 which is 1200 12,500 foot
lots in the county are also nearby on to

1552
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:15,840
the north. Um
I'll kind of go through go back to the

1553
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:21,599
zoning map here that shows the existing
zoning in the county on the left and

1554
02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:28,800
then on the right uh where you see the
yellow and brown that is brown is R2 U

1555
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:31,800
and yellow is R1 that are in the city
limits.

1556
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:41,440
R1 is our lower density uh single family
residential developments. Um it requires

1557
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:49,520
a minimum of 15,000 square foot lots 100
foot wide and has a gross density of 2.9

1558
02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:52,880
units an acre. Um a as some of the
conversation sorry this is a list of

1559
02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:58,560
kind of the uses that allowed there. For
the most part those are single family

1560
02:07:55,599 --> 02:08:03,679
homes. Um
there there is a component of this when

1561
02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:07,920
we started looking at the the uh first
conversations and what can be done on

1562
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:12,560
the property and certainly staff was uh
recommending kind of keeping working

1563
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:16,639
with the trees, working with the land.
Uh that evolved to the applicant

1564
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:21,520
actually voluntarily restricting the
density of this property to 1.4 units an

1565
02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:27,440
acre as opposed and that's the gross
density as opposed to the two uh.9

1566
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:32,159
allowed. That's just a number right now,
but as it moves forward, if approved to

1567
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:38,400
a preliminary plat, they would have to
meet that density instead of the 2.9.

1568
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:43,199
So, that's a self-restrictive um uh and
and this would be a part of the

1569
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:49,199
ordinance, Lisa, what we would request
um that this form be included in the

1570
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:54,079
ordinance if the council so uh chose to
adopt. This is a conditional annexation.

1571
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:59,920
So the request for zoning is absolutely
tied to the annexation. Um

1572
02:08:57,760 --> 02:09:04,239
if the zoning is given the property
would annex into the city. Uh there was

1573
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:09,840
a few comments at the planning
commission. Um one of those was uh there

1574
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:13,760
was rumor that the land was in a trust
and a conservation easement and

1575
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:19,119
something like that that protected it
that there is no uh trust on this

1576
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:22,639
property. They did uh actually check
that and then there were some other

1577
02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:27,119
comments but for the most part those are
related to drainage and traffic. That is

1578
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:30,880
not something we review in a straight
zoning request as this. Those would

1579
02:09:29,119 --> 02:09:35,599
certainly come up if it were to move
forward, get approved and go to uh a

1580
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:41,840
preliminary plat application. We review
those details within that application.

1581
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:45,840
So with that said, staff does recommend
approval with that one condition. Sub

1582
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:51,440
site shall be restricted to a maximum
density of 1.4 four units an acre. Um

1583
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:56,960
that is being gross density. The
planning commission also recommends

1584
02:09:53,520 --> 02:10:02,560
approval. Um and they did recommend that
unanimously with a vote of 8 to zero. Uh

1585
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:06,400
tower homes Price and Will High Tower
here as well as representatives from SC

1586
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:11,920
Civil. If there's questions, uh
certainly I'm here if you have any of

1587
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:18,159
staff or um anything I can do to help.
>> What's the minimum and maximum lot size

1588
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:24,880
for R1's? R1 is 15,000 square feet
>> total square feet um and 100 foot wide

1589
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:29,520
at the front setback.
>> Yeah.

1590
02:10:26,400 --> 02:10:33,679
» So effectively if they're going from 2.9
would be allowable to 1.4.

1591
02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:36,960
They're basically and I'm they're not
saying that they're all going to be

1592
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:42,960
30,000, but they're going to
>> limit it to that equivalent of that

1593
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:46,320
number. And really and and
>> we haven't had really too many

1594
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:49,920
conversations about what the layout
looks like, you know, had a very high

1595
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:55,360
level. But what that would allow to do
with the 15,000 square foot lots is kind

1596
02:10:53,119 --> 02:11:01,119
of move around, keep the same number of
house of of of lots than the 30,000 if

1597
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:05,360
you will, but work with the trees, you
know, you know, instead of having to

1598
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:10,239
carve out for 30,000 square foot lots.
You can kind of work around the trees.

1599
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:14,560
You may have a 20, you may have a 40,
you may just kind of

1600
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:19,599
» may all be 15,000 and half the lot of
common area common area and and green

1601
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:24,000
space and preserved uh that
>> that as we move forward, we'll we'll see

1602
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:26,560
what but it gives that flexibility, I
believe.

1603
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:28,800
» All right. Well,
>> I have a few questions.

1604
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:32,719
» Yeah. Would y'all like to ask questions
first or hear from the public? I say go

1605
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:36,639
ahead and ask them if you got some.
>> Yeah, I'll ask may make spark more

1606
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:41,119
questions. Um, can you go back to the
original

1607
02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:44,320
» uh where you showed the lodge as the
squares? I was a little bit confused.

1608
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:47,920
So,
>> which this one or that one?

1609
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:50,159
» I go back to that. What was the one with
all the parcels right here? Oh, that

1610
02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:54,719
one.
>> Yep.

1611
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:58,560
» So, are all of those parcels uh A and E,
B, C, and D, and F. Are all those

1612
02:11:56,800 --> 02:12:00,719
included in this annexation?
>> Yes, that's

1613
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:04,079
» They're not excluded. Okay. The way it
was cut up, I didn't know if something

1614
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:06,960
was being excluded or not. And this one
might be easier to see.

1615
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:09,199
» Yeah, the one on the right. So, is
everything

1616
02:12:08,480 --> 02:12:12,239
» everything in yellow?
>> Nothing's being carved out there, right?

1617
02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:17,679
» Okay.
>> All right. Um, that was the first

1618
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:24,000
question. Thank you for that. Um, I had
a local resident uh that is uh in the

1619
02:12:22,000 --> 02:12:28,000
watershed of this area. I'll just call
it that for lack of a better word. And

1620
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:33,599
and they were concerned that they may
get runoff. And I I I did tell them I

1621
02:12:30,560 --> 02:12:37,440
hopefully rightfully so that you know if
it if the development's done right, it

1622
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:41,520
could actually help your property as
opposed to hurt. Larry, is that would

1623
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:46,320
that be a true statement? Could you give
them confidence that the water

1624
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:52,079
management would probably be better now
or once developed than it because you

1625
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:56,719
guys have obligations to to contain that
as opposed to vacant land that may not,

1626
02:12:54,480 --> 02:13:01,840
right?
>> Yes. Um just direct Larry Smith Essie

1627
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:05,360
Civil um you're absolutely right. Um
that was one of the one of the many

1628
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:09,119
reasons when we started looking at this
that density is going to be reduced to

1629
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:13,280
make sure that we have adequate common
area so we can manage and maintain the

1630
02:13:11,440 --> 02:13:18,800
storm water runoff while also protecting
some of the trees that are in these low

1631
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:24,000
areas. Um you know our our client has
now a history with Fair Hope of wanting

1632
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:28,320
to protect trees. um Hunter can attest.
We worked through on Stone Veil um

1633
02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:32,159
subdivision regrading the entire site
after we had totally done the design to

1634
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:37,199
help protect and we relayed some of the
lots out to help protect trees um and

1635
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:41,440
save trees so that they can um be
enjoyed by the future homeowners. So

1636
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:46,800
yes, we will have to look at the
downstream. We'll have to um make sure

1637
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:51,280
that we're not hurting it, but we also
will in that process try to make it

1638
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:56,400
better for anybody downstream of us.
this um property takes on runoff from

1639
02:13:54,079 --> 02:13:59,280
the subdivision to the south. Um it
comes through and flows through this

1640
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:02,159
site. So, we'll take that into account
as well.

1641
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:06,639
» And I think this gets challenging when
you're when you're talking to

1642
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:10,719
constituents because right now all
that's really before us and and granted

1643
02:14:08,560 --> 02:14:13,760
they're looking down the road to how
many houses could be there, but right

1644
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:17,520
now all that we're considering is just a
reszone.

1645
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:21,520
» So that we don't have the a layout to
see where water would or wouldn't flow,

1646
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:23,360
» but it wouldn't be worse. by law they
they can't make it any worse.

1647
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:26,560
» Correct.
>> Correct.

1648
02:14:23,840 --> 02:14:32,719
» So, and then one last question I had and
I'm looking at the the aerial map and I

1649
02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:38,159
mean it's not a topo but it it's a you
know it's kind of showing the landscape

1650
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:42,960
there. Appreciate you voluntarily uh
agreeing to lower the density to 1.4.

1651
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:49,360
But you always have to ask the question
if 50% of the land wasn't usable then

1652
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:55,199
you're at 1.4 4 and everything's just
crammed on half of it. I don't really

1653
02:14:52,239 --> 02:15:00,159
see that here. So, I just want to ask
that question. You're not just, you

1654
02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:03,520
know, voluntarily making it 1.4 cuz
realistically that's all you could get

1655
02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:07,119
on there anyway.
>> I I don't believe that's the case. And

1656
02:15:05,440 --> 02:15:11,440
we've done several layouts, some of them
with higher density, some of them with

1657
02:15:09,119 --> 02:15:15,679
lower density, and this is kind of where
we landed. Um, obviously, we haven't

1658
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:20,800
done a full drainage design that will
come with the subdivision. um component

1659
02:15:18,079 --> 02:15:24,400
of it, but it it's not that they could
only get 1.4. So, we're acting like

1660
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:26,719
we're giving you something.
>> Exactly. You know, we've had a lot of

1661
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:29,760
people come in here and go, we're going
to have this great amenity

1662
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:33,040
» and it's,
>> you know, 20 acres is completely

1663
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:37,040
unusable land, and they call it a 20
hour a 20 acre green space, which was

1664
02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:40,239
» Yeah.
>> undevelopable to begin with. So,

1665
02:15:38,560 --> 02:15:43,520
» I I believe the first time we sat down
with staff, and you correct me if I'm

1666
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:47,280
wrong, we we had a layout that was
denser than 1.4 units per acre.

1667
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:53,360
» Thank you, sir.
And to to be candid, there is we don't

1668
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:57,280
know exact boundaries, but there is a
natural creek kind of coming through,

1669
02:15:55,280 --> 02:16:03,119
but it doesn't encompass 50% of
>> it. I mean, that's why I said runs north

1670
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:06,719
to south approximately through here.
>> Would likely have a 50ft buffer on

1671
02:16:05,119 --> 02:16:11,119
either side of that,
>> but you're you're not talking about 50%

1672
02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:14,880
of the acreage. How how many of the or
what percentage would you say of the

1673
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:19,679
trees and the natural forestation is
there are you planning on keeping and or

1674
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:21,760
eliminating? However you however you
figure that out.

1675
02:16:21,360 --> 02:16:25,760
» Um
>> because I've seen your property that

1676
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:29,599
you're developing over on uh 181 and I
can see you have lots of tree protection

1677
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:33,760
that's noticeable.
Unfortunately, I can't answer that yet

1678
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:40,319
because our next step will be to do a
full tree survey um so that we can

1679
02:16:36,479 --> 02:16:44,080
figure out how to orient the roads um to
best protect the trees similar to what

1680
02:16:42,880 --> 02:16:46,479
we had to do the last time.
>> Is it fair to say you're not going to

1681
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:53,439
clear cut?
>> Yes. Well, is that fair to say?

1682
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:58,240
» Yes, that that's fair to say.
>> Feel free to take out all the camper

1683
02:16:54,960 --> 02:17:03,439
trees and all the popcorn trees in the
popcorn. No, no worries. We'll try.

1684
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:07,920
» All right. Um, at this time, I guess
we'll go ahead and open the floor for

1685
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:12,200
the public hearing if anybody um from
the audience would like to speak to

1686
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:12,200
this.

1687
02:17:14,719 --> 02:17:21,280
Good evening.
>> Hi, I'm Will High Tower with Tower

1688
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:24,960
Homes. Um, we got we came before you
guys about nine months ago for the

1689
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:30,160
property that uh you referenced on
Highway 181, and we're super happy to be

1690
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:32,960
back here. Um, so as a quick refresher
on who we are and what we do because I

1691
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:37,120
know you guys have been in this room for
a while this afternoon, so I will make

1692
02:17:34,880 --> 02:17:40,639
it pretty quick, but we are a
family-owned and operated home building

1693
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:44,559
company. We're based in Birmingham and
we've been building here for about three

1694
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:48,319
years. Uh, my dad is here with me and we
we have the privilege to build houses

1695
02:17:46,000 --> 02:17:52,719
together and we think this site is super
special. Um, we really think Fair Hope

1696
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:58,240
is super special and it's a place that
we saw uh a few years ago. We kind of

1697
02:17:56,000 --> 02:18:01,439
thought that there was not um someone
building the kind of houses that we

1698
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:04,559
really like to build. There was the
national builders at the lower end.

1699
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:08,880
There's the custom guys that do the
super nice $2 million homes and there

1700
02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:14,000
was a gap in between those two. And so
that's really what we aim to fill and

1701
02:18:11,359 --> 02:18:18,160
that's what we envision on this site.
We've been building uh we're building

1702
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:23,120
North Hills right now, Rock Creek, the
Meadows, some of the communities that

1703
02:18:20,399 --> 02:18:27,760
really fit that product in your city.
And when we met with Hunter and city

1704
02:18:25,359 --> 02:18:32,000
staff about this site, we outlined that
vision. We talked through the density.

1705
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:36,319
Um there are wetlands running kind of
there's a running north south through

1706
02:18:33,679 --> 02:18:40,319
the property. And so um to to the
questions about the trees, hard to say

1707
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:45,679
today exactly how many, but there will
be a natural tree buffer around those

1708
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:50,800
wetlands. So it will be uh I think the
site will lay out really neatly. uh and

1709
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:55,920
and it will not look nearly as dense as
um many developments that you picture

1710
02:18:52,719 --> 02:18:59,519
when you hear production home building.
This also aligns with the comprehensive

1711
02:18:57,519 --> 02:19:04,479
plan. So the comprehensive plan
describes this site as being within the

1712
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:09,679
suburban residential classification.
Some quotes from that are lot widths are

1713
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:14,960
75 to 100 ft. We're talking about 100
foot lots here. Uh generous setbacks and

1714
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:18,960
preservation of sensitive natural
features. We like preservation of

1715
02:19:17,439 --> 02:19:22,559
sensitive natural features because our
home buyers like preservation of

1716
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:27,120
sensitive natural features and so that
is a win for us. I think it's a win for

1717
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:31,519
the city and it's certainly a win for
the future homeowners.

1718
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:35,040
We think it'll be about 50 lots. That's
actually even less than 1.4 per acre,

1719
02:19:33,519 --> 02:19:38,960
but just as we've worked on it with
engineers and the site design that we

1720
02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:43,439
like, we think it's going to be about 50
lots. Um, and we really think it's

1721
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:46,960
something that we can be proud of and I
hope it's something that each of you can

1722
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:50,000
be proud of as well as you drive past
it. So, I'm happy to answer any

1723
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:52,960
questions you may have.
>> I've been sitting here looking at your

1724
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:56,080
twin daddy over there. Y'all look so
much like all the meeting I've been

1725
02:19:54,160 --> 02:20:00,319
drawing going, they look just alike.
But, no, it it sounds great. I remember

1726
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:03,840
you. You were one of my first when I
first became council, you came up and

1727
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:07,200
spoke and I remember you. You did a
great job. I'm excited for you guys.

1728
02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:12,399
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, council. Any questions? Yeah,

1729
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:16,160
Jay, I got a couple questions. Um, first
off, you got a great YouTube program

1730
02:20:14,800 --> 02:20:19,920
going on because I see y'all like every
other day on my YouTube account.

1731
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:22,399
» They charge us for that. So, I'm glad
someone seeing it.

1732
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:28,479
» Your dad, I'm getting to know you real
well. Um, but uh, no, I I I just some

1733
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:31,120
general comments and then overall, I
mean, I think number one, you know,

1734
02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:34,720
we're coming from an agricultural
designation in the county, but we're

1735
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:38,160
we're building it in a lot of city
property surrounding it. I think it's a

1736
02:20:36,080 --> 02:20:42,000
little bit more unique. Um, the last
time you came up to here, I voted

1737
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:46,800
against you the that reasonzoning. I
wasn't too thrilled with it. But this

1738
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:52,240
one, I think for staff and anybody else
that's listening, I think this density

1739
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:57,359
makes so much more sense as an R1, you
know, you're talking 50 lots and really

1740
02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:04,640
61 units if you if you really got to the
1.4 versus a total that could possibly

1741
02:21:00,800 --> 02:21:09,840
be of 130. To me, a 50 lot neighborhood
is a heck of a lot different than a 130

1742
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:12,880
unit lot on the same on that same track
of land. So, I think long term, I just

1743
02:21:11,439 --> 02:21:17,840
think that's something that we got to
look at. There's that to me is a good in

1744
02:21:15,040 --> 02:21:23,600
between from agricultural and so-called
low density. I don't consider 130 units

1745
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:28,399
um on that acreage low density, but I
digress. I I I do think it's um it's a

1746
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:33,280
great thing that y'all are doing. I've
noticed the work, like I said, on 181.

1747
02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:37,200
um I don't see a lot of that. So, it's
it it makes a difference. I appreciate

1748
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:40,880
you all protecting those live oaks and I
get that there's probably um some

1749
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:45,439
economic advantage to doing that, right?
Your your customers want it. Um it's

1750
02:21:43,040 --> 02:21:48,399
good PR, but it doesn't mean that it's
not also beneficial to the community.

1751
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:54,960
Two things can be true at once. So, I
thank you all for doing that. Um and I

1752
02:21:50,640 --> 02:21:58,319
also like the u the optional the the
carryon is saying, "Look, we're not

1753
02:21:56,080 --> 02:22:03,680
going to go higher than 1.4." Um that
gives me a lot more um good feelings

1754
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:07,680
about this because again it it doesn't
look like you're just simply trying to

1755
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:10,319
squeeze every penny that you can out. Um
you're trying to match the the

1756
02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:13,359
neighboring facilities a little bit. I
actually live right around the corner on

1757
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:18,880
a little bit denser properties than uh
than this one. Um but uh it it it

1758
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:22,240
definitely looks like it'd be good. And
um you know this is one that I think is

1759
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:25,359
a little bit little bit different when
you talk about conditional annexation.

1760
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:28,880
They're not coming to us asking for,
hey, we're going to put an apartment

1761
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:32,960
tower here and or we're going to stay in
the county. So, um I I feel much better

1762
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:36,000
about this and thank you all for what
you've been doing on the other property

1763
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:39,439
as well.
>> Thank you.

1764
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:44,399
» Thank you. Any any comments? Yeah, I'm
always in favor of somebody that wants

1765
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:49,040
to uh be more self-restrictive on what
they can develop instead of just trying

1766
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:53,920
to maximize it out, flip it to a pud,
see if they can squeeze a few more units

1767
02:22:50,640 --> 02:22:58,920
in it. So, thank you for that. But um
would anyone in the audience like to

1768
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:58,920
speak to this?

1769
02:23:00,800 --> 02:23:07,760
All right. Well, seeing no one, um we'll
let this lay over and be taken up for

1770
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:09,520
final adoption at the next council
hearing. So, thank you guys.

1771
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,800
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

1772
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:14,880
» Thank you all.
>> And Larry, I'm sure took y'all somewhere

1773
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:19,760
nice during your break.
Um, Eric, item number five is a

1774
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:23,760
resolution that the city council
authorizes and approves a contract

1775
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:27,680
between the city of Fair Hope and
Children's Site Works, Inc. for the

1776
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:32,000
demolition of the dangerous building on
the Fair Hope Church of God in Christ

1777
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:37,120
property and the total amount not to
exceed 22,500 and that the mayor, the

1778
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:41,280
building official, the city attorney,
and any other officials or employees

1779
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:45,520
acting under the direction of the mayor
are empowered to do such things as are

1780
02:23:43,200 --> 02:23:50,319
necessary to carry out emergency
demolition on the property and otherwise

1781
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:52,399
carry out purposes of this resolution.
>> Okay.

1782
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:54,399
» Yes, sir. You gave us a little bit of
background. Maybe

1783
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:59,920
» I gave you a little bit of background.
Um uh yes and and the river just gave me

1784
02:23:56,960 --> 02:24:06,080
some information. So
okay, haul out and dump uh fee is listed

1785
02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:10,960
on the contract that they have with the
gentleman who already tore the building

1786
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:14,880
down. So we're good with that. Um as I
mentioned to the re everything is good

1787
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:19,280
that really this is a contractual issue
now between the church and the

1788
02:24:16,560 --> 02:24:23,200
contractor. The contractor needs to he
has submitted for his permit. I need

1789
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:27,120
some kind of documentation
>> saying who owns the building

1790
02:24:24,479 --> 02:24:32,240
» rising because what we don't want is the
city to issue a permit there is unclear

1791
02:24:29,439 --> 02:24:37,600
title or unclear ownership and then
we've given permission to tear it down

1792
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:43,040
and there be a dispute later on by
someone who is an owner of a grandson of

1793
02:24:40,160 --> 02:24:47,600
an owner down the line. So some sort of
documentation letting us know we have uh

1794
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:51,120
one of the legal owners of the property
or legal ownership of the property

1795
02:24:49,200 --> 02:24:56,479
giving permission for that and then we
can issue the permit. I will deal with

1796
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:59,680
uh the contractor directly and talk to
them about permitting and the

1797
02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:04,319
requirements for permitting. One of the
things that as I mentioned uh you know

1798
02:25:02,319 --> 02:25:08,960
the permit fee per our ordinance for
working without a permit. We verify

1799
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:14,319
first if the work is in compliance. If
it is, then the fee that is charged uh

1800
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:18,720
is increased as part of a as as part of
an assessment or a fine for that. And

1801
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:19,760
I'll work that with the contractor
directly.

1802
02:25:19,359 --> 02:25:25,040
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1803
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:28,160
» But but do do we need to vote on this in
any way at this point?

1804
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:31,359
» Remove it from the agenda.
>> Yeah. I just wanted to give y'all an

1805
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:34,640
update because we've been up in front of
you now four times. Yeah.

1806
02:25:32,880 --> 02:25:38,000
» And uh I know everybody kind of wants to
know what's going on and I got bombarded

1807
02:25:36,399 --> 02:25:42,080
with phone calls late for or not phone
call. Well, phone calls and photos late

1808
02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:45,760
Friday afternoon and so we're keeping
you informed as to what happened and I'm

1809
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:48,560
going to let the Is there anything else,
sir?

1810
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:53,920
» Well, I did not give him permission to
start. I told him he could start anytime

1811
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:58,960
after Monday after we meet. Praise God.
But we we we did get what we needed to

1812
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:07,520
get the bill. Now, we have another
issue. Um, this building was has been in

1813
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:14,560
the city of Fair Hope for since 1931.
the pillar states 1931. Um, uh, it's

1814
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:18,479
been torn down. I'm I'm I just have a
question for Eric and maybe I don't know

1815
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:23,439
if the council because like I say, I'm
just I'm just asking a question. Why is

1816
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:27,920
it not that he can dump in the city of
Mobile? Why do he have to

1817
02:26:25,920 --> 02:26:34,399
» I mean the city of I'm from Mobile. I'm
sorry. That's okay.

1818
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:38,720
in the city of no take that he can't
typo

1819
02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:43,040
» uh because it's just rubble it's bricks
and wood so that's my question

1820
02:26:41,040 --> 02:26:46,560
» and I will uh I will answer that even
though that is kind of outside my

1821
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:53,200
wheelhouse I know that we have we do not
accept C and D at our landfill unless it

1822
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:57,280
is generated by citizens because of
limitations on what our landfill can

1823
02:26:55,359 --> 02:27:02,880
accept and I may ask for some backup
from John on that just to make sure I am

1824
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:09,040
not speaking incorrectly.
>> Yeah, our our CN landfill is and I

1825
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:12,720
talked to Murray Lawrence about that,
>> but it it's it just can't handle the

1826
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:17,040
volume y'all got over there and we just
take residential garbage. We sort it and

1827
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:21,920
we don't have all the bricks. We keep
all that stuff separate. So, with it

1828
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:25,760
being just a big mix match of stuff, we
just we just can't take it there.

1829
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:29,600
» Okay. But then the reason I asked
because he's come back to me now saying

1830
02:27:27,680 --> 02:27:34,080
that he had talked to someone at the
city uh dump and they told him that he

1831
02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:38,240
could and now he can't. So now he's
asking for more money which I told him

1832
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:44,000
we have a contract
>> because uh you know the the dump was so

1833
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:48,000
I just need to know why. Why?
>> What do y'all from the city perspective

1834
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:50,880
at this point?
>> Are we removing it completely?

1835
02:27:49,680 --> 02:27:54,240
» Remove it this right now
>> and we don't need to put it back on.

1836
02:27:52,399 --> 02:27:58,399
It's not table. Just remove it. We're
not going to hire children to do the

1837
02:27:55,920 --> 02:28:02,080
work. Uh they have their contract with
with recovery or asphalt ser asphalt

1838
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:06,080
paving.
>> Uh so this is done as far as I believe

1839
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:09,600
this council is concerned.
>> Do we need to motion to amend the agenda

1840
02:28:08,319 --> 02:28:11,680
to remove item five?
>> Second.

1841
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:17,520
» We got a motion in a second to remove
item five. I just wanted to say that I

1842
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:22,399
want to do a shout out to Hope Community
and Susan Godwin because she came

1843
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:26,800
together for Barry and she
>> and several of our pastors and our

1844
02:28:24,399 --> 02:28:30,800
community came to a round table and
before we left the meeting there was

1845
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:34,720
$8,000 collected. By the time I got back
to my shop, another 2,000 came in from

1846
02:28:32,960 --> 02:28:40,000
the Baptist church and then two more
thousand came in. So, our community has

1847
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:44,560
been extremely giving, compassionate,
and that's what Fair Hope's all about.

1848
02:28:42,319 --> 02:28:48,479
» Yes. And I did I did want to thank them
for I didn't know if I could do it here.

1849
02:28:46,319 --> 02:28:52,560
I ain't want to get nobody,
>> but I do want to thank them. They came

1850
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:53,439
together in less than five minutes. We
had

1851
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:57,920
» Oh, wow.
>> half of what we needed. And And it was

1852
02:28:55,439 --> 02:29:01,760
just so awesome. We could only cry, my
wife and I, because

1853
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:04,960
» it's good. It's good stuff.
>> That's great. Well, sound like we've got

1854
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:07,680
this kind of wrapped up from our
perspective.

1855
02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:11,120
» I appreciate the council's
working with us on it.

1856
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:12,560
» Well, thank you, Eric, for helping us.
Thank you so much.

1857
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:17,680
» Thank you.
>> Thank you guys. We appreciate you.

1858
02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:22,160
» Yep. We got a motion and a second. All
in favor of amending the agenda to

1859
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:24,640
remove that item, please say I.
>> I.

1860
02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:29,600
» All right. Any opposed? All right.
Motion passes. Item 23. Now, we'll jump

1861
02:29:28,000 --> 02:29:33,760
back over here. Is uh public
participation.

1862
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:37,680
You are free to address the council on
any topic you wish. You've got up to

1863
02:29:35,439 --> 02:29:44,439
three minutes and just need to give your
name and address to the city clerk. So,

1864
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:44,439
the floor is open.

1865
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:53,760
All right. Seeing no one, we will go
ahead and close the floor and entertain

1866
02:29:51,359 --> 02:29:56,560
a motion to adjurnn. So, move. So, move
second.

1867
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:59,560
» Motion second. All in favor? All right.
>> Bye.