1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:06,800 Okay, welcome, members, ready to city council meeting Tuesday, August 18th. 2 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:12,400 Brian, could I ask you to give us an invocation? Sure. 3 00:00:16,150 --> 00:00:32,610 Our dear Father and Heaven, as we come before the city council meeting, we ask that I spare maybe with us. We may have a good understanding of what needs we need in our community or thankful for the range that we've had and for the beautiful place in which we have to live. 4 00:00:32,610 --> 00:00:38,010 We're again, thank you for these things, and say that's the name of my son, Jesus Christ, and I'll give you a minute. 5 00:00:38,430 --> 00:00:39,090 Please stand. 6 00:00:41,670 --> 00:00:55,810 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:56,410 --> 00:00:57,410 Thank you. 8 00:00:58,970 --> 00:01:05,390 Okay. I will look for any changes or if no changes in approval of the meeting minutes 9 00:01:05,390 --> 00:01:08,670 of the June 16 and June 30th meetings. 10 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,800 We have a motion by Mike. Do we have a second? 11 00:01:21,020 --> 00:01:27,420 I'll second it. Second by Michael. All in favor? Motion passes you in 12 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:31,240 unanimously. Thank you. Okay. First appearance. Heather with the San 13 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,060 Pete County clerk on elections. 14 00:01:44,250 --> 00:01:46,230 Well, this pick me up if I just standing 15 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:54,450 for that. Yeah. Yeah. Talk louder. Yeah. Okay. Good evening. I'm Heather. I am 16 00:01:54,450 --> 00:01:58,570 San Pete Clowni. San Pete County's election specialist. I'm also deputy clerk 17 00:01:58,570 --> 00:02:02,530 Philinda Krishanson. She does apologize for not being able to make it 18 00:02:02,530 --> 00:02:06,590 today. We have to divide and conquer and try and hit all the municipalities 19 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:10,530 before the end of August. So you guys are stuck with me. Sorry about your luck. 20 00:02:11,970 --> 00:02:15,190 If you don't know what we do in the county clerk's office, we do grammar requests. 21 00:02:15,810 --> 00:02:22,750 We handle marriage licenses, passports, business licenses, meetings and agendas for the county commissioners on the planning commission. 22 00:02:23,130 --> 00:02:35,510 And then we also do my personal favorite elections. When Linda came into the office, her one priority was to build a stronger, more direct connection with our municipal leaders. 23 00:02:35,510 --> 00:02:43,250 But more specifically with our city recorders and under Utah law, our recorders serve as the election officials for the municipal elections. 24 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:45,430 She's election officer for the county. 25 00:02:46,010 --> 00:02:51,790 The recorders carry the responsibility at a local governance right at the roots, grassroots level. 26 00:02:52,190 --> 00:02:58,350 Today I'm here to discuss the interlocal agreements and some 2027 election dates. 27 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:01,330 First, let's turn to the Interlocal Agreement. 28 00:03:01,770 --> 00:03:05,750 This was passed as a draft through the county commission and the county attorney. 29 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:11,730 We just ask that you review it with your county attorney and get back to us any suggestions 30 00:03:11,730 --> 00:03:13,150 edits that you would like to make. 31 00:03:13,290 --> 00:03:17,330 We'll send this over via DocuSign, no later than April of 27. 32 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:27,290 If you don't know already but you guys have 775 active registered voters and in the new Interlocal 33 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:33,030 agreement, it bumps up from $2.25 per active registered voter to $4 per active registered 34 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:38,610 voter. And in the past five election cycles, you guys have had a primary election in 35 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:46,810 21 and 25, and then general elections in the 17, 19, 21, 23 and 25. So when you go to 36 00:03:46,810 --> 00:03:52,170 do your budgeting, just maybe I suggest put a contingent for a primary just in case, but 37 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:53,430 you probably will have a general. 38 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,820 Just so you're aware, by partnering with the county, 39 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:04,480 the city avoids having to purchase hundreds of thousands of dollars in optical tabulators, 40 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,020 high-speed scanners and specialized voting machines. The county handles the heavy technical 41 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:13,580 lift, printing mailing ballots, managing signature verification, tabulating votes, 42 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:22,140 and conducting post-election audits. Some roles and responsibilities we for poll workers 43 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:29,760 slash ballot security. So while we manage all the high-tech things, our local recorders 44 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:36,820 are in charge of noticing for the election. Also there's one thing that we really need 45 00:04:36,820 --> 00:04:42,020 your help with and it is pull record training and involvement which Nathan is really good 46 00:04:42,020 --> 00:04:46,560 at attending pull record trainings. We had one just a couple weeks ago and he was there. 47 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:53,140 When a ballot pick up and delivery, the last couple of elections, we haven't had, because 48 00:04:53,140 --> 00:04:58,020 we have to have two poll workers at a time with ballots, and we've had to call in your 49 00:04:58,020 --> 00:05:02,760 guys' law enforcement, which we have really appreciated, to help pick up ballots and deliver 50 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:03,380 them to us. 51 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:09,740 statutory notices and disclosures, those are the recorder's main responsibility for posting, 52 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:14,940 and it's posted on the Utah Public Notice website, as well as collecting financial disclosures. 53 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Just a few things I heard Michael talk about vacancies like if they come up within like 54 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,980 before the term is up. 55 00:05:25,660 --> 00:05:31,300 We just ask that those changes get like tell us those please so that we can update 56 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:34,120 our system because then that updates the state system also. 57 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,400 Let's see. 58 00:05:36,580 --> 00:05:42,880 A few things is I want to share with you that the residents of Fairview can utilize our 59 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:51,840 our Mount Pleasant Voting Center on election day, and it's just started this past municipal 60 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:52,280 election. 61 00:05:52,660 --> 00:05:55,060 So you guys' last municipal election is started. 62 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,420 We didn't have very much voter turnout there, but if you guys could help us let your 63 00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:03,380 residents know that that is an option that would be greatly appreciated. 64 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:05,500 So there's a few things. 65 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,540 We have this calendar that gets sent out every year. 66 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,900 the green is the recorders the orange is the county and the blank is either split 67 00:06:15,900 --> 00:06:21,140 between city and county or the LG takes over it and the very first thing on 68 00:06:21,140 --> 00:06:24,920 this calendar will start January 1. We actually just got an email from our liaison 69 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:32,100 telling us that we had a year a year until our election so there's that. 70 00:06:36,500 --> 00:06:37,080 Now if 71 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:43,000 you would turn to this paper that you guys have, it just shows you that your primary 72 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,800 election is in August, some key deadlines for 2027, and then your general election 73 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,540 is November 2nd of 27. 74 00:06:52,040 --> 00:07:07,060 When you guys take into account for your calendar year for your city council meetings, if you 75 00:07:07,060 --> 00:07:12,700 Um, schedule a special meeting just to canvas your election. 76 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:20,660 Okay. Um, so our Sampey County Elections Office just recently was recognized 77 00:07:20,660 --> 00:07:25,500 by Lieutenant Governor's Office as one of the only five counties of the 29 counties 78 00:07:25,500 --> 00:07:29,880 to receive an award at the state capital. It was for excellence in elections, 79 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,660 communications, best practices for voter education, outreach and accessibility. 80 00:07:33,660 --> 00:07:38,120 and this recognition belongs to our entire elections teams and the municipal 81 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,580 recorders who partner with us. It shows us that even in a rural county we can set 82 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:44,960 the standards for clean accessible and secure elections. 83 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:48,550 With that being said I'd 84 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:52,570 like to address the crucial role of your city recorder. Even though this will not 85 00:07:52,570 --> 00:07:57,690 be his first election leading Fairview City, 2027 is still his election. And our 86 00:07:57,690 --> 00:08:02,270 priorities to ensure the process is legally compliant, smooth and successful. To 87 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:06,390 achieve that active participation in all county election trainings and consistent prompt 88 00:08:06,390 --> 00:08:12,130 communication with our office is our absolute necessities. Running a seamless election requires 89 00:08:12,130 --> 00:08:18,770 a close partnership and we need his direct engagement every step of the way. We deeply value 90 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:23,710 our participation, we deeply value our partnership with every city in San Pete County and we are here 91 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:28,730 to help and guide you but we need your activity to the table starting with training and ballot security. 92 00:08:28,730 --> 00:08:33,370 Thank you for your service in our communities and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. 93 00:08:37,180 --> 00:08:38,380 I like the silence. 94 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,800 I just don't accept being there. 95 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,140 It's pretty clear for all the people. 96 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:47,000 What's the number of participating jurisdictions? 97 00:08:48,420 --> 00:08:50,380 Your jurisdictions just fair view city. 98 00:08:54,500 --> 00:08:57,220 County commissioners always got their hand in our pockets. 99 00:08:59,220 --> 00:09:01,880 So what's different about this agreement? 100 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:25,400 So your rate has gone up from $2.25 to $4, and some of like the envelope past one, we weren't so strict on the ballot pickup on municipal years, but in this one it's just a little bit more laid out like you are in charge of picking up and dropping off the ballots, the county is not. 101 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,460 And you'll, Nathan, you'll give this over to the attorney for review. 102 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,020 Yes. 103 00:09:30,500 --> 00:09:35,100 And then will you keep us updated of the cities so if they opted in or selected or? 104 00:09:35,540 --> 00:09:35,660 Yeah. 105 00:09:35,820 --> 00:09:36,180 Absolutely. 106 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:37,720 Yep. 107 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,340 You're wondering about rate increases, that's also the due to mandated election. 108 00:09:42,620 --> 00:09:53,740 No, I'm just, I just figured I'd throw a little jab at the county commissioner since we didn't recognize that we had one independence tonight, except when you, which we appreciate your attendance. 109 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,320 So is this going to be going in person or going by mail? 110 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:06,940 So we are a vote by mail state and you have to state if you've got a mail in ballot, 111 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,940 you would have to have stated you wanted to vote by mail or vote in person. 112 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,500 So if you vote if you checked vote in person, you will not receive a ballot in the mail. 113 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,860 But the Mount Pleasant Senior Citizen Center is on a location. 114 00:10:18,860 --> 00:10:22,640 Yep, or if you work in Manta you're more than welcome to come to Manta's location too 115 00:10:24,340 --> 00:10:30,290 But that one's just on election day till eight o'clock right correct 116 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:36,670 Yep, ballots have to be in the county clerk's position. I mean possession by 8 p.m. For your ballot to count 117 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:40,670 I've volunteered to go with a cop to pick up the ballot boxes 118 00:10:42,110 --> 00:10:43,450 Well, I get a pick which cop 119 00:10:43,450 --> 00:10:49,390 But if you're if you're on the ballot, you don't get to participate. Sorry. Oh, I will never be 120 00:11:13,330 --> 00:11:18,130 I'm Greg Sornson. I work with the Power Department and Fairview. And I'm just here to 121 00:11:18,130 --> 00:11:23,710 give you a lot of dates. So would you guys probably can see through your vouchers or whatever 122 00:11:23,710 --> 00:11:33,790 where we cut a pretty big check to Mount Pleasant, $493,912.75 and that's for the engineering 123 00:11:33,790 --> 00:11:41,390 and the acquiring the easements through where 46 line is going to run. Just to make 124 00:11:41,390 --> 00:11:48,790 sure like we have all the easements from our 46 line but they's the engineers and people 125 00:11:48,790 --> 00:11:52,710 are doing it. It says they've run into a lot of problems with old ones and they want to 126 00:11:52,710 --> 00:11:59,150 get the wording all up to date and we should get reimbursed for that. I don't know when 127 00:11:59,150 --> 00:12:05,510 it's coming but we should get reimbursed for that. And then once that's done we can 128 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:11,790 start ordering parts and get started on it. Are there any questions? 129 00:12:12,450 --> 00:12:18,890 So just for the council's knowledge we have in our ETF funds we have, we checked and we 130 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:21,350 We have a substantial amount of money in our PTF funds. 131 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:28,570 We also have a couple hundred thousand dollars at UMMs in capital improvement funds. 132 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:34,810 And so we've got the funding for the project and then the different parts and pieces along 133 00:12:34,810 --> 00:12:40,370 the way, but you will see large expenditures that then get reimbursed and back. 134 00:12:40,750 --> 00:12:46,890 So we will have to carry it on the general temporarily, but we can pull it down through PTIF and 135 00:12:46,890 --> 00:12:48,130 manage it through those spots. 136 00:12:50,450 --> 00:12:55,250 So for those of you who are in here, this has been, does it three years or four years 137 00:12:55,250 --> 00:13:00,590 in the, and it's something that Garrett and I have wanted since we both started here. 138 00:13:00,910 --> 00:13:08,030 That line was built in the early 60s and the wire is small and brittle and we've done 139 00:13:08,030 --> 00:13:13,430 a lot of what we could do, but it'll make our system a lot better since we have that in. 140 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:16,010 Any questions? 141 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:18,450 Thank you so much. 142 00:13:21,850 --> 00:13:25,770 Just in Water and Sear Department update and water conservation plan. 143 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:26,530 Yes. 144 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:30,530 So I'm going to take control of the water for a second. 145 00:13:34,110 --> 00:13:42,270 All of you, Justin Jackson, Water and Sear Ship are intent on, then all of you can receive 146 00:13:42,270 --> 00:13:46,270 water conservation plan that I sent out a few weeks ago. 147 00:13:46,670 --> 00:13:46,950 Yes. 148 00:13:52,230 --> 00:14:00,570 So it is up for renewal, which is a requirement by the Division of Natural Resources. 149 00:14:03,050 --> 00:14:03,910 And this is 150 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:15,700 really important because we are actually in one of the first times where we've ever actually hit stage two of our water conservation. 151 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:16,560 and 152 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:26,060 so giving out a little gloss over a lot of that, it has a lot of water rights, water usage, 153 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:35,460 budgets, when you kind of get down into 5.2 or conservation goals and solutions, right 154 00:14:37,900 --> 00:14:38,740 now the 155 00:14:38,740 --> 00:14:46,240 updated one does not have anything updated in it for that section particularly. So if there are 156 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:53,500 things that you have sought up, we need to get those into those sections. It has 157 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:59,700 things like repair remaining projects, things that were 158 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:26,940 From feasibility, I'm taking control of the amount of water applied to specifically city on properties. Initiate public education program. You know, we've got things like the little meter that's on Fairview City's website that I update every week so that people can go and actually see where we are sitting relative to supplying the man. 159 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:37,180 continue to maintain a financially stable water system and it also includes 160 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:43,480 Section 5 there has is the new stuff the AquaTrack software program that 161 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,500 should be released mid-September. We're just going through cleaning up some 162 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:54,960 data so the data transfer works between that and that software will be 163 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,840 available to anybody in the public who wants to sign up. It's not mandatory, it's 164 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:06,660 voluntary, but they'll be able to sign up and they will have additional analytics for their water usage and 165 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:13,660 Compare you know this year's water usage say like July's to last July's or this month to that month 166 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:14,980 It will also 167 00:16:15,780 --> 00:16:21,540 Allow us to be able to communicate directly with homeowners say we have a water main break 168 00:16:22,060 --> 00:16:28,740 I'll be able to get on my GIS and say these are the houses. I want it to notify that they're gonna be out of water for five 169 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:34,120 the text hours or whatever we think it's going to be, and it will automatically send that out to 170 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:40,780 them and give them real-time updates. So that's in their section five, with it's probably the biggest 171 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:43,500 change from the radius of our conservation. 172 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:48,220 One of the things we have there is the 173 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:54,220 fairytale city and local irrigation companies have policies. One of the things that we need to talk 174 00:16:54,220 --> 00:17:00,020 about there. We just is Plan C. 175 00:17:02,090 --> 00:17:06,830 So right now we're kind of on Plan B. Plan C, we don't know if 176 00:17:06,830 --> 00:17:11,950 we're going to have a great winter or another coming winter. And if we have a coming winter, 177 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:20,050 next year we're going to get very, very interesting. And so one of the things that we have talked about 178 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:26,990 potentially being able to do is if you look up here on the Googlers map up in 179 00:17:26,990 --> 00:17:36,410 the mouth of the canyon we have a city well up in there and it flows a lot of 180 00:17:36,410 --> 00:17:42,170 water and it's flowing a lot of water right now but there was so much sulfur 181 00:17:42,170 --> 00:17:47,810 content in it that nobody wanted to drink it nobody nobody liked having that 182 00:17:47,810 --> 00:17:54,210 Sovery smell they tried to treat it. It was not a very good treatment practice that they had going on there 183 00:17:54,210 --> 00:18:01,210 but it is something that I've always kept in my back pocket of saying okay if things get really really bad 184 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,790 That well can be utilized in one of two ways 185 00:18:06,330 --> 00:18:14,150 First is probably the easiest is we can turn that pump on it'll flow into the river and 186 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:20,270 put water into the irrigation company's system and hopefully people that have 187 00:18:20,270 --> 00:18:26,950 access to that will utilize that first instead of the drinking water or we can 188 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:33,810 also do a complete renovation on it and add in additional treatment which would 189 00:18:33,810 --> 00:18:42,030 be a lot more costly. Standards have changed since 1984 when this was drilled but 190 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:45,910 And that is potential and be able to put it right back into our drinking water as well. 191 00:18:47,210 --> 00:18:54,250 So just to run that pump, just to spin the pump is a minimum $50,000 investment. 192 00:18:55,650 --> 00:19:01,010 None of the power and electrical devices were ever installed. 193 00:19:01,010 --> 00:19:02,790 There's no panels on it. 194 00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:05,730 It was directly connected to the main lines. 195 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:08,230 There's no VFDs on the pumps. 196 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:11,930 We couldn't control the speed of how much we're pumping. 197 00:19:12,490 --> 00:19:14,450 All of that would have to be redone. 198 00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:19,390 That would be the minimum to be able to put it in even 199 00:19:19,390 --> 00:19:20,850 into the irrigation system. 200 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:22,230 But it did flow. 201 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:25,910 The previous records were about 600 gallons a minute. 202 00:19:26,190 --> 00:19:31,910 It's roughly 1 1 1-1-1-1-1 cubic feet a second, which I'd 203 00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:34,190 Brian's here in case there was any questions on the 204 00:19:34,190 --> 00:19:35,270 irrigation side. 205 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:37,730 But that is a potential option. 206 00:19:38,890 --> 00:19:43,690 One of the big questions that would come up is, how do we break the cost out? 207 00:19:43,810 --> 00:19:48,910 How do we manage that portion of turning that on? 208 00:19:50,050 --> 00:19:53,610 Obviously, if we go down the drinking water path, that would all be on the city. 209 00:19:54,190 --> 00:20:04,970 And we're probably in the neighborhood of 150 to 200,000 to get it up to drinking water standards 210 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:10,570 probably at a minimum. We would have to build a new structure a little bit larger, a little bit of 211 00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:17,930 piping along with all the electrical upgrades that need to be done, but that is there. It is 212 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:19,290 up there and it would take, 213 00:20:21,910 --> 00:20:28,590 I would need probably two months in advance notice to be able to turn that 214 00:20:28,590 --> 00:20:34,950 on and make all this happen between changes to water rights. Would have to be made. I'd have to go 215 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:43,170 process with the state to pull it out of their election. So there is some process 216 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:49,470 permitting wise along with all the physical upgrades that would need to be 217 00:20:49,470 --> 00:20:56,750 made but that is kind of also built into that water conservation plan. It's 218 00:20:56,750 --> 00:21:01,570 just not detailed quite to that level because we have not figured out those 219 00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:01,970 details. 220 00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:08,430 And this is, you know, I'm bringing this up now so you guys have time to think about it. 221 00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:15,590 We'll talk about this again later because this water conservation ordinance has to be passed by 222 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:20,050 resolution. And so there will be another time that we'll bring it up. 223 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:23,770 But those are some things 224 00:21:23,770 --> 00:21:30,310 that we need to think about and talk about because next year, you know, if we don't get a good winter, 225 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:38,250 you know Mr. Rick said it earlier everybody's got a lot of them all okay what's the plan and we need 226 00:21:38,250 --> 00:21:49,010 to have our plan in place now because it takes time to get going and if if we're April still working 227 00:21:49,010 --> 00:21:58,270 at this it's not going to work it'll be a whole lot of years. Just come in, come in. Sure. So Brian 228 00:21:58,270 --> 00:22:01,010 I'm not aware of the represent and the continent 229 00:22:01,010 --> 00:22:02,090 used very irrigation. 230 00:22:03,390 --> 00:22:06,370 So anyway, if that water was dumped into our system, 231 00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:10,730 we've got three ponds that it could go into. 232 00:22:11,050 --> 00:22:15,950 So it wouldn't be, we could, our systems don't separate out. 233 00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:20,290 Residential would just add more water to our system. 234 00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:23,490 We can put more water in our city pond 235 00:22:23,490 --> 00:22:26,930 where most of the residents of Fairview said so that. 236 00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:35,830 but while I'm on the subject, just so you know, so we're working so we can 237 00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:40,970 troll that water better. We've hired hats in Allen and loose engineering 238 00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:45,590 company that's going to help us do a feasibility study up there so we can measure 239 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:53,610 the water and know which water's going in and just it's kind of off the subject but 240 00:22:53,610 --> 00:22:58,810 that it's to do with this is the Nero's project up there. 241 00:22:59,070 --> 00:23:09,710 They're wanting to put a park up there, a state park, and anyway, from what we understood 242 00:23:10,450 --> 00:23:17,330 as part of getting that state park from the federal government, getting that forest service 243 00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:24,310 ground, put that on, you got to have a recreation component, the water, high water storage, 244 00:23:24,810 --> 00:23:32,890 and then energy component. So since we are already working with the Conservancy District 245 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:40,750 which Justin's on, we went ahead and put in there a hydro plant. There used to be a hydro 246 00:23:40,750 --> 00:23:49,070 plant at the mouth of it. So I put in there a feasibility study to put another hydro plant in there, 247 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:56,070 just so that that's in there so that I can see that all three of those components, 248 00:23:56,610 --> 00:24:01,130 if it's feasible or if it would really go again, I don't know, but anyway, just so you know 249 00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:09,930 that we're pursuing that. I got a question real quick. You talked about 600 gallons. 600 gallons of 250 00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:19,930 So with that calculation, that's kind of a year-round kind of deal, it's not going to well likely. 251 00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:22,190 It hasn't been spun for 25 years. 252 00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:24,090 Yeah, but let's just assume that it is. 253 00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:33,270 What does that mean to cut McGoosebury as far as fairview citizens? 254 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:37,730 Is that a year-round able to water without any restriction kind of deal? 255 00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:42,670 or is it enough to just not really a lot of water? 256 00:24:42,910 --> 00:24:44,970 It's not a lot, okay, that's what I didn't know. 257 00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:48,090 So yeah, does it matter to you to have that? 258 00:24:48,730 --> 00:24:50,910 Yeah, yeah, it would make a big difference this year. 259 00:24:51,290 --> 00:24:55,470 Sure, yeah, cause so 600, I mean, 260 00:24:55,570 --> 00:24:56,990 just to the characterization real quick, 261 00:24:57,270 --> 00:25:00,650 so you had about two CFS coming down right now, 262 00:25:00,650 --> 00:25:03,510 so it would nearly double what we have current. 263 00:25:05,140 --> 00:25:06,700 So so 264 00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:12,800 Not the city, but if you were looking at the fields. I'd be like running 85 rainbirds out there 265 00:25:13,260 --> 00:25:17,940 So if you move that to the city it would it would probably we'd take care of the 266 00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:19,460 the city 267 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:21,740 Now that we've got it made her 268 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:29,160 People are really doing well this year and coming back and so I think it would definitely make a big thing at the city 269 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,880 The biggest thing we would have to do is irrigation companies make sure people are around there 270 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:41,640 running their shares. It would make a difference. Cost for pump and electricity per 271 00:25:42,140 --> 00:25:48,960 hot-on-mall. But we can still only do that in the irrigation season. We shouldn't 272 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,980 run it all here because they shut down whenever you shut down. 273 00:25:52,220 --> 00:25:56,680 Irrigation season in a bad year. In a type two year. Right. Or a type three. 274 00:25:57,820 --> 00:26:10,700 So usually April 15th and to Janum were usually pretty good and then that's when we open the lakes and most years we go all the way through and we'll never meet. 275 00:26:11,260 --> 00:26:21,460 Well, it's probably a double question, but in a year like this year, for example, does that have any impact on culinary water use? 276 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:30,660 Yeah, yeah, if I mean I'm here with these very customers that are using culinary water. Okay, that's what I want to know. So there's a benefit there. 277 00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:46,440 There's a benefit to the city. Yeah, absolutely. That's the whole point is, with people don't have access to secondary irrigation water, they immediately go to drinking water as they're back up. 278 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,040 and if they have access to secondary water, 279 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,000 then they don't need to go to their back. 280 00:26:53,380 --> 00:26:54,940 And that's kind of what I would just confer. 281 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,600 And there's another problem, too, is, 282 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,900 it's not done properly, 283 00:26:58,060 --> 00:26:59,920 if they don't have backflow prevention property. 284 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:01,900 Yeah, I mean, it opens, 285 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,620 if you haven't been here for our long discussions 286 00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:07,660 on backflow prevention and cross-contamination, too. 287 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:08,420 That's true. 288 00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:11,040 So, Kim Gouik, your president, 289 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,600 we've been on restrictions for how many years now? 290 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,760 where you water two or three days a week for an hour or two, five, 10 years. 291 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:30,980 So our choices use this spring or hope for a good weather. 292 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:31,920 Yeah. 293 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,420 Because the backyard is tall crap now. 294 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,900 Everything's dead because no water. 295 00:27:38,420 --> 00:27:42,320 My last three water turns, turn up, there's not a drop of water in the water. 296 00:27:45,150 --> 00:27:49,050 No, I think I throw around pounded houses, look like they get rained on every night. 297 00:27:50,050 --> 00:27:52,010 Yeah, so there's definitely coal in there. 298 00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:53,510 Oh yeah, there's that. 299 00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:53,710 Yeah. 300 00:27:56,090 --> 00:28:01,270 But that's a good understanding of just some of the metrics of that. 301 00:28:01,570 --> 00:28:07,770 When we had the two good rainstorms last week, we went from 1.8 million gallons a week 302 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:10,430 down to just under 1.4. 303 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:17,970 So you know, just from one week to a next, there was probably at least 400,000 and I've showed 304 00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:25,090 you guys the graphs or how that summer usage changes. The west side 305 00:28:25,090 --> 00:28:28,710 those that don't have secondary irrigation, that's always going to be okay. 306 00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:34,710 Well common sense just that's when you get water we can get. I mean if we have 307 00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:39,190 another bad winter this winter this town will drive a little away. And I've done 308 00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:44,550 a lot of the residents are happy with the way it's going. You spend 5,000 309 00:28:44,550 --> 00:28:49,570 on your yard, and then the next year it's all dead and gone, because it's no water, not 310 00:28:49,570 --> 00:28:50,890 because of nothing you do. 311 00:28:51,630 --> 00:28:57,850 Okay, planting and yard in Utah in general is about the equivalent of going to Vegas. 312 00:28:59,090 --> 00:29:00,990 But it should grow on the dice every year. 313 00:29:01,070 --> 00:29:01,830 It shouldn't be. 314 00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:05,050 We don't have any to draw over the weather though. 315 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:13,510 So, but we do over the reservoirs, and yes, the cons and the springs, and okay, let's 316 00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:21,230 use them. You know, pray for it. It's just a matter of cost. No, it is a matter of cost and 317 00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:25,990 it's a matter of getting it in the plan so that we can spend that. The other question I have, 318 00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:35,730 do we have this reuse contemplated inside the plan? No. We build 50 new houses every week 319 00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:42,310 around here. Where are they getting their water from? Who's that? What's that? All these new houses 320 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:47,070 is going to where they get in their water from. Some are getting them from well, some are 321 00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:51,550 getting from drinking water, just like, no out here is out town, you have to trade a share 322 00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:56,950 of water in to dig a well for your place. You're not letting them do that right now because 323 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:59,970 they don't have the water. I don't know about the water. 324 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,500 Well, I do, because I talk to people in charge of it, but I'll say what the confusion is about getting what water we get. No, there's no confusion. No, it's a matter of just getting it in. It's a matter of getting it in policy so that we can do it. And that's what we're doing. People being willing is going to be stepping on 10 people at this meeting. Well, welcome to every meeting that we have. I'm going to change that. Yeah. Just in getting back to the focus. 325 00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:41,040 How's that with the well? When would you want us to make a decision on this? Well, I think we probably want to make a decision no later than March. 326 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:52,240 March gives us enough time that we could start working on it and start doing paperwork rolling, that kind of stuff, and have it in place. 327 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,220 by March we should have a pretty good idea of what the winter is. 328 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,800 Yeah, of what the winter is. 329 00:30:59,220 --> 00:31:02,160 There's just, for the water conservation plan, 330 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,580 there's just one section there that says, 331 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,160 there's some mutual benefit between the irrigation company and the city. 332 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,300 Okay, it's not specific, it's kind of broad open. 333 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:19,820 But that is, you know, the type of things that we're talking about 334 00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:21,620 when we say this mutual beneficial. 335 00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:27,220 And what we're, let's make sure we don't combine two 336 00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:28,060 separate issues. 337 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,460 Wait, we had a talk, let me talk to him. 338 00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,380 Let's not combine two separate issues, right? 339 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,860 We have a water conservation plan that we have to put in place. 340 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,120 Justin is suggesting a piece of that plan to write this. 341 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,000 And so what we're trying to do is the whole thing. 342 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,680 And so yes, we need to have built into it 343 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,680 that we have a trigger that says no later than March, we trigger this, but we need to 344 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,080 get the entire conservation plan approved now. 345 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:58,760 Yes, I know. 346 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,060 Not tonight, but now, like, yeah, like now, and it can include that, and that's why I think 347 00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:09,940 we ought to make sure that it actually, at least contemplates the sewer use as a piece 348 00:32:09,940 --> 00:32:15,920 of that, because it also reduces our total obligation by the sewer use in watering, doesn't 349 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,100 it? 350 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:22,840 Well, because this is drinking water only, in order to be able to use the reels for drinking 351 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:22,960 water. 352 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:23,560 No, no, no. 353 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,040 We're often. 354 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:28,140 I'm saying the same thing we're talking about contemplating with the irrigation company 355 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:37,220 is reduction of culinary water usage by using our, okay, if the city is using culinary water 356 00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:40,900 to water a ball filled instead of, we use the sewer use. 357 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:44,320 Yes, that's what I mean. 358 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:51,980 you know especially for a type three year or a type two either one and say 359 00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:58,000 you know the the city may extend that reuse line yes to those properties 360 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,540 again it's all feasible it's just a matter of cost it's just money I just 361 00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:07,480 think we need to have that contemplated in the constant plan because it's 362 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,080 another tool yes it's another tool just not a lot different than this one right 363 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,400 And I mean, how many gallons are we generating? 364 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,020 I mean, it's not 600 gallons, no. 365 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,740 But it's another drop in the bucket. 366 00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:21,040 To your point, we need to get every drop we can. 367 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,500 Yes. 368 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:28,540 So I can add that in there into section 5.2, 369 00:33:29,820 --> 00:33:31,880 to add some additional stuff there. 370 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:36,120 The next part is 5.3, the educational information. 371 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,280 That just states what would be on the flyer that would go out. 372 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:47,960 I don't know that I saw a whole lot on there that need to be changed, it's mostly, you know, 373 00:33:48,180 --> 00:33:56,880 be mindful of your water use as far as the educational stuff. Where we get down to the real 374 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:07,880 mean potatoes is section 6. Level 1 is just a normal year and then level 2 means 75% of our supply 375 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:15,340 or less. So that's me comparing what our sources did previously to what they are 376 00:34:15,340 --> 00:34:20,480 doing at that point in time, combining them all and saying, combined sources 377 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:27,060 together are less than 75 percent of a normal year. That's what that's that 378 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:35,520 triggers that level two. And so what do what do we want to do when we hit the 379 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:46,700 level two. The existing one had in there a lot of main type statements, which means in order to 380 00:34:46,700 --> 00:34:54,420 do anything you have to convene a city council and say shall. Yes. And so do we want to incorporate 381 00:34:54,420 --> 00:35:01,140 certain things in there? I threw in a 50% emergency rate increases a placeholder. It doesn't have to be 382 00:35:01,140 --> 00:35:09,060 50% but that'd be all over it rates not on base rates on over it rates but it 383 00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:13,220 could be whatever we want but have it built in so that you don't need to convene 384 00:35:13,220 --> 00:35:17,980 just it's always going to happen in July it's always when it's going to hit us 385 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:23,580 that's always the busiest time nobody really wants to convene a special city 386 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:32,940 council just to do an emergency rate increase. And so right now I've got a 50% emergency 387 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:40,180 rate increase on the overage tiers and then at level 3 it's a hundred percent. It's a double 388 00:35:40,180 --> 00:35:49,060 because we're at 50%. That's where we're going to get really at level 3 we're going to be punitive. 389 00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:56,020 Yeah, it's going to be digging into activities inside of the home, not outside of the home. 390 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:06,400 Is the level one, two, and three identified by the superintendent? 391 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,300 Yes. 392 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:07,860 Okay. 393 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:12,880 But it still has to be a council move in the UK. 394 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,080 Right. 395 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,980 I can't do anything that isn't in there that automatically often. 396 00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:19,520 But would you let us know when we're at that level? 397 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:19,760 Yes. 398 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,940 I communicate it to you right now, and that's all it. 399 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960 Yeah, so if you, it depends on how you write this. 400 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,500 That's what I say, and where it's made. 401 00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:31,740 If this triggers it, then as soon as he says we're into. 402 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:32,940 Yeah, and then we decide. 403 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,740 And I kind of like the idea that we decide 404 00:36:35,740 --> 00:36:37,260 what it's going to be, so that you just 405 00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:39,440 automatically choose what you don't have in it. 406 00:36:39,540 --> 00:36:41,300 Once it's identified, it just happens. 407 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:42,760 Yeah, it just happens. 408 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:50,380 I'm one of the caveats with that is a previous administration had created 50 over-inched here. 409 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:58,980 I proposed to the council, but we reduced the number of over-inched here to 5 or 6. 410 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440 Right now, you know, I have not seen July's number, I've seen June's. 411 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:11,420 There was about six or seven places that was up over 150,000 gallons a month. 412 00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:21,480 maybe 20, the total that was over 100. And so what I would propose is we go 6, 10 and then to 20 413 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:31,620 and then 20 every after. Where we can even go 6 straight to 20 as an over-exterior. And then just 20 every 414 00:37:31,620 --> 00:37:41,020 after up to 100,000 and we stop at 100,000. Right now the over-exterior goes up to 500,000 415 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:48,720 gallons which is going to be a catastrophic event. Even our highest users don't use 500,000 gallons 416 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:55,380 a month. I don't see a need to have tears go that high. And when these things happen, 417 00:37:56,100 --> 00:38:02,520 can we has to manually go in and change those rates for in city out of city commercial industrial 418 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:10,540 that's there's like 16 categories that water falls in so it's 16 times 50. That's that's a lot of 419 00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:17,200 opportunity for error when she's putting that stuff in and so one of the things I 420 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,560 would like to do is see those rates retears reduce down to the number of 421 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:29,100 this manageable five or six over it's here. So you'd still have 16 times five or six 422 00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:34,000 or could you get it down to just five or six and it's across the board. No the 423 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:40,120 state mandates that we have all of our water categorized by residential, 424 00:38:40,620 --> 00:38:46,880 commercial, agricultural, and industrial and that's how we have to report back to 425 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,540 the state and the only way to make that report work is to have Kimmy. So she's got 426 00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:59,180 four there and then she's got Insidian out of city for each one of those and then 427 00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:03,500 there's there's a couple of others that I don't see very often but they do 428 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:12,560 exist. Now that makes sense. And so there it does end up to be a lot of places to go in and change 429 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:19,860 those emergency rates for two months. And you're right, it's a potential for a lot of error. 430 00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:28,740 And so put some thought into what you guys think are appropriate locations for those 431 00:39:28,740 --> 00:39:36,340 overage tiers, Tammy was not in the office today so I wasn't able to get, you know, 432 00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:44,800 July, the July 15th August 15th numbers from her so that you'd have a rough idea. You know, 433 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:52,220 when the rates came out 85% of town never went over 6,000 gallons a month on an average. That's 434 00:39:52,220 --> 00:40:00,580 where the 6,000 comes from is from the 85% saying that's what most of them do and 15% 435 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:02,940 are generally over that. 436 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:12,900 That can be adjusted as well but it does tie into the conservation 437 00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:14,300 contingency plan. 438 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:22,660 So we're talking about thinking about this. I mean we're in the midst 439 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:26,920 of it. What do we, what do we do? Well, because the one that we're talking about right now, 440 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,340 I have to submit a new one. Yeah, right. 441 00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:32,040 That is the natural resources in December. Right. 442 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:37,660 Your mother one, it's already in place. But we still have to, we still have to decide how to do it. 443 00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:42,300 Yeah, I mean, now in December. Yeah, maybe it's, you've got the existing ones, 444 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:49,160 and you're in the middle of it. You can decide what to make an emergency, 445 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,480 see over a rate increase happen, but you would have to have that on your agenda. 446 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,260 I can't do that. Only the council can do that. 447 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,080 Yes, so right now the plan says that a council may... 448 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:10,160 Yeah, that's my point. So are we going to may it all the way until the end of your tank gets 449 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,480 dry or is that a risk you're worried about? 450 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,860 I'm not your average kind of person and you guys know that. 451 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:19,100 I'm not afraid of the tanks going dry. 452 00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:28,200 I do not want to create a nanny state where we 453 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:34,020 are trying to tell people how and where to use that water. They want to use it and 454 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:40,040 pay the bill and empty the tanks. Let's learn the hard way. I'm okay with it. 455 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,720 When it be better to tell them how to use it than just double the rate. 456 00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:49,820 People get very, very upset when you tell them how and where to use it. 457 00:41:49,820 --> 00:41:53,040 You get upset when you double the rate too and charge it for something you don't have. 458 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,080 Well, just part of that responsibility, I don't care at all, I cut to a lot of them every 459 00:41:59,080 --> 00:41:59,340 day. 460 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:00,460 Oh, I'm sure. 461 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:09,680 But, we have to be responsible adults, and I can't expect myself to know the convenience 462 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,760 store them and just keep buying stuff, knowing I'm going to have to pay the bill. 463 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:17,900 That's what I'm saying. 464 00:42:18,580 --> 00:42:24,480 If you teach people about it, what they can do instead of just double the price. 465 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:29,360 And that's the paragraph of the bill that they can go to the convenience store. 466 00:42:30,140 --> 00:42:32,240 The public education plan is up there. 467 00:42:32,380 --> 00:42:34,260 The 5.3 is the education plan. 468 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:35,400 How's the public seeing that? 469 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,780 Well, this is, once again, what I said, this is what we're trying to put in place. 470 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,020 This is not what's currently in place. 471 00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:43,180 We need to put this in place. 472 00:42:43,180 --> 00:42:44,440 Why are we currently in place, Doc? 473 00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:45,360 Well, no. 474 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:46,420 We agreed. 475 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:47,480 That's why we're doing this. 476 00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:48,140 It didn't work. 477 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,620 Yeah, that's why we're doing this. 478 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:52,360 Let's not do the same next year. 479 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:53,340 Well, in the difference. 480 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,120 I mean, as far as saying, you're paying double for something you're not getting. 481 00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:58,860 I mean, you got to make sure. 482 00:42:58,900 --> 00:43:00,300 You're paying double for something you don't have. 483 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:01,120 Well, no. 484 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,660 Fairview City has not ran their wells dry. 485 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:12,100 No, but an irrigation company is not fair. He says they're completely different houses dry. You're you're calling anyone or 486 00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:16,800 Shining irrigation. See, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, let's make sure and understand what we want to talk about with my colleague. 487 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:22,540 Fairview City and Kotwood Fuseberry are not the same entity. I have no authority over Kotwood. 488 00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:28,900 Me and my wife use 800 gallons of water a month. Then you're set when you use the rest for our yard. 489 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,280 Absolutely. Absolutely. No, up to 6,000. Do you use it every time? 490 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:38,060 with no problem. With no problem. No overages. No overages. Yeah. But you'll have a higher 491 00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:42,780 water bill, obviously. If you go over six thousand. If you go over the minimum six thousand. 492 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,720 But is that a responsible use? That's one of those things in the education, the ethical 493 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:51,660 thing. But what I'm saying is, you said, you know, we're paying double for something we're 494 00:43:51,660 --> 00:43:57,060 not getting. I need you to, I need people to be clear which what? I mean, very few cities 495 00:43:57,060 --> 00:44:03,300 delivery in culinary water, right? And are they delivered compared to five years ago or ten years ago? 496 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:10,820 Yeah, if the tap opens, the water is there. Cottonwood Gooseberry, the irrigation company, is not 497 00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:16,620 Fairby City. Well, the culinary, yeah, that's what you're talking about. That's this whole conservation 498 00:44:16,620 --> 00:44:23,000 plan is only culinary. Fairby City has no authority whatsoever over Cottonwood Gooseberry. 499 00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:26,260 Fairby 500 00:44:26,260 --> 00:44:32,580 six thousand. There was a study done. Yeah, there was a study done way back when and it had to do 501 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:41,160 two things. It had to do with what your average home actually used and be in 2001, they put 502 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:47,740 a new well up 100 South. And when they put that in, the engineers told them that they were going to 503 00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:54,560 get 400 gallons a minute out of that well. Currently, we are getting 45 gallons a minute out of that 504 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,840 well. So that well did not produce anything near what it was expected. 505 00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:29,500 And so, in order to make what we have go further is saying, okay, we need to drop it down to six, because we, 8,000's, you know, on a good year, yeah, we can do that, but on a bad year we can. Well, but that's like when they put the irrigation system in, they told me you'll never see a meter put on this. What we need reason to, if you have one water share, that's an anger for water. There's no way you could use that up there. Yeah, I was curious. And that's why it was the word never. 506 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:36,380 But yeah, and that's why when cottonwood do very has their meetings, they do fill the gym, right? 507 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,300 Oh, yeah, and yeah, they do fill the gym. I think we're the city culinary wise is doing a very 508 00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:48,060 responsible job and I think that's what we're here for is to make sure that we have a better 509 00:45:48,060 --> 00:45:53,340 conservation plan going forward too, right? The water is there. Justin's not worried about the 510 00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:58,320 culinary tank going dry. It's not going to, right? You're gonna be able to turn your cap on and you're 511 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:04,660 and get culinary water through this, but we do have an education, we have a conservation 512 00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:08,260 responsibility and an update to this plan that's very important. 513 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:16,160 But as a shareholder of 316 shares of Cottonwood Newsbury ourselves, we have concerns too. 514 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,980 We represented at that meeting at the Cottonwood Newsbury shareholder information meeting. 515 00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:27,940 And I mean, from what Brian said, I'm encouraged, they're doing feasibility studies, there's 516 00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:34,500 doing a few things, and I'm encouraged, but yeah, be very clear the difference between 517 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:39,560 the two. What's cottonwood, Gooseberry, and what's Fairview City, and what our authority 518 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,400 extends to, right? This conservation plan is going to be as it relates to turning your 519 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,860 tap on at home. So you guys have nothing to do with the irrigation 520 00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:55,060 one. No, we have nothing to do. We're a shareholder, just like anybody else. I think we're trying 521 00:46:55,060 --> 00:46:59,600 be a good partner, which is why Justin's proposing this. This could really help cottonwood 522 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,320 gooseberry, but there's a cost associated with it that we're going to have to figure 523 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,340 out. But, I mean, there's an error, what was he talking about? 524 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:13,760 What's that? That's not sold for spring, right? And the same thing, I'm saying sewer reuse 525 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:20,180 is a direct reduction of culinary water use. So, our sewer plant, we did a sewer project 526 00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:22,900 that we reclaim the water in the sewer plant. 527 00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:25,840 It's pumped up above the cemetery into a tank up there 528 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,540 and we can use it to water, 529 00:47:28,060 --> 00:47:30,200 we've got a hydrant up there, we've got a few things. 530 00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:33,620 It's a direct replacement of culinary water, right? 531 00:47:33,940 --> 00:47:36,100 So I think we're being very responsible 532 00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:40,120 with on the city side and the conservation 533 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,940 and making these updates to the plan are good. 534 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,760 So I think we're good. 535 00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:48,660 Can everybody needs to give review? 536 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:53,920 Yeah, on the education part, I think the citizens of the city actually are doing a pretty 537 00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,340 good job educating themselves. I've driven the city numerous times and done an unofficial 538 00:48:00,340 --> 00:48:06,540 guess, and my guess is between 60 and 70 percent of the people in the city will let their 539 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:13,680 law. Let's go dormant. Yeah. Well, I'm just dormant. Yeah. And I'm one of them. I'm just keeping 540 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:26,180 So I think the message is getting out there, you know, be careful and be safe. 541 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:29,440 And so that's extending the lack of the college area. 542 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:29,980 It is. 543 00:48:30,260 --> 00:48:36,520 So what we need everybody to do is really look at this, look at the plans, look at the 544 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:42,180 figures. Look at it and get back with Justin. Ask Justin questions. How do this one ready? 545 00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:48,720 Yeah. Do you want me to put it on the next month's agenda for the approval? 546 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,740 Do you think we'll be ready for approval or one more review? I would say one more review. 547 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,020 Just as you guys. Yeah. It takes a minute to go through it. 548 00:48:58,220 --> 00:49:03,060 And really your six is the one. I mean Justin can get everything else ready for us. 549 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,500 Five all the way up through. I think is pretty his six is where 550 00:49:06,500 --> 00:49:12,780 the council really needs to focus because that's where your and I highly recommend it's 551 00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:22,520 shall or or the word that's the way it's right now not made so that it just triggers and 552 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:34,820 what those thresholds should be you want it 50% rate increase 100% to 125 you know what because 553 00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:40,640 the whole point and purpose about it is not about the money in this plan. The point and purpose 554 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:47,580 is it has to get people's attention to reduce the to reduce you know and that's an education 555 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:53,240 process. I've talked to someone in the United talked about and they had a good conversation and 556 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:58,420 they said yeah but if you do if you put that in place and jack the rate up then you're going to lose 557 00:49:58,420 --> 00:50:03,000 revenue. It's not revenue. It's not revenue. It's not revenue. We don't need 558 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,220 accommodation. If you stop watering because it's too high, we're up. We don't give a crap about 559 00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:12,280 the road. Yeah. I mean like the fact that you're not using the water. We don't bring out the 560 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:19,100 contingency plan if we have yes exactly. Yeah. Well it's clear that levels are set by what our 561 00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:27,340 normal supply is. Yeah. And now my what's used is by what the supply is. So please have your stuff 562 00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:35,280 to Justin. Are you going to email this draft to us? Yeah, I can email this draft to all of you. 563 00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:43,620 You've already got the existing link to leave. And this is good work, Justin. This will need to be 564 00:50:43,620 --> 00:50:49,760 approved prior to December 15th as my kind of date to have it to the division. I think we should 565 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:56,160 approve that June October. Okay, so let's make sure we'll get it on a total 566 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,500 approval. September. September. September review and October for approval. 567 00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:06,140 Summary. Of the aquatract stuff and then the final thing that I have, what do you 568 00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:15,000 want me to tell the K managers, financial managers? On, on our bond. Yeah, 569 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:25,400 revenue. I think we've got that squared away. I think we've come up with that. Yes, I think we 570 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,040 have an answer. So I'll get with you on it. I need to know how much our B&C road funds over 571 00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:41,280 the entire length of the bond is as well. Was there B&C road funds in that bond? No, but I asked if we 572 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,120 we could have our B and C road fund revenue counted into it considering we replaced every 573 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,560 road in town and that was part of the expenses cut and I have a preliminary yes. 574 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:52,840 Okay. 575 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:57,700 So I don't know if that gets us there so we reduced 60,000 a year already. 576 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,440 Our number was what, 130, 130, 130, we've reduced 60K already. 577 00:52:04,540 --> 00:52:06,360 We can get a little bit here and there. 578 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:20,480 But if our B&C road funds over the term divided back into it, if they'll accept that, then that means your B&C road funds will probably have to go to help pay some of that bond. 579 00:52:20,860 --> 00:52:23,440 Yeah, which is okay because we've got brand new roads for it. 580 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:23,800 Yeah. 581 00:52:25,260 --> 00:52:28,200 But see, the thing is, we've never defaulted on the bond yet. 582 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,320 No, and so we've talked about that. 583 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,280 This is a bond government, and this has to do with investor confidence. 584 00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:35,520 Yeah, but what it has to do with it. 585 00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:37,960 And so that's why it makes sense. 586 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,920 So B and C road funds is the last piece we need on that. 587 00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:48,180 And then we may have an employment situation that might have to be triggered too, but 588 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,500 totally for that. 589 00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:52,260 Yes, a good thing I haven't fixed all the roads. 590 00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:58,020 Well, it's all in, it's in the paper only. 591 00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,560 Right. 592 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,360 So a revenue bond just means we're collecting enough revenue in some fashion to service the debt. 593 00:53:06,380 --> 00:53:07,940 We've never defaulted on the debt. 594 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:18,200 But they still, to his investor confidence question, they want to make sure there's money that comes in to be able to service the debt. 595 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,900 We've never had a lay payment. 596 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,720 Have any of you guys paid attention to the bond market? 597 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:25,540 It's bad. 598 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:26,820 It's bad right now. 599 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,660 Investor confidence is terrible. 600 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:36,720 When we refinanced those bonds, we went to an open market and not to a state or government 601 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:37,420 agency. 602 00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:46,960 And so those bond covenants are what investor confidence is built on and if they don't 603 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,140 have that, they will take legal action. Yeah. We're going to get it right. It'll be good. 604 00:53:53,760 --> 00:54:02,200 Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Justin. It's still. 24th of July celebration review. We could spend a 605 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:10,240 lot of time on that, but we'll hit some high points on chief anything to report. No, less problems 606 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:16,380 this year than I think the year before. Very good. Very good. Very well. Financially comfortable. 607 00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:26,240 Looking good. There's events that we had never made money on it. Yeah, I never knew what it sold out rodeo looked like until we hit over sold out the rodeo 608 00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:31,060 We'll probably want to at least look into having 609 00:54:31,980 --> 00:54:38,560 Ticketing for at least the you know, second night of rodeo. Yes online just like the Derby 610 00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:45,480 Online only with reserve seat. Yeah, there was it was sold out and then some standard only 611 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:51,220 Well, there wasn't even a standard that night, if our insurers saw us that day. 612 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,300 Don't forget to raise the prices. 613 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:54,020 Yeah. 614 00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:57,480 Yeah, if our insurance saw us that day, it wouldn't be. 615 00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:58,380 Yeah, that was not good. 616 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:00,920 We had people underneath the grade stamp booth there. 617 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:02,440 Yeah. 618 00:55:03,580 --> 00:55:04,560 I know we did. 619 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:06,100 Yeah, no, it's good. 620 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,680 And then we do have money to put into improvements. 621 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,640 I think we should, we'll talk about it. 622 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,740 but the concessions bathroom slash ticketing, 623 00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:19,740 I think we need to have done before next year 624 00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:20,740 in that all possible, 625 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:23,280 but we'll have to get some grant money to go with that. 626 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,100 Jason, I know we've talked, 627 00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:29,900 we need, and Brian can even speak to this a little bit, 628 00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:31,760 we need to revamp the vendor stuff, 629 00:55:32,140 --> 00:55:34,360 so we will have a meeting on vendor stuff 630 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,360 to make sure that we're properly taking care of vendors 631 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,500 and doing that and updating those policies, 632 00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:46,400 because I do think we need to update the policies on the vendors. 633 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,940 Nothing too 634 00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:55,860 dramatic, but I mean we need to have trailers that go in certain places that 635 00:55:55,860 --> 00:55:59,660 fit trailers and in and out and stuff like that and big shout out to the power 636 00:55:59,660 --> 00:56:04,100 guys. Thank you for your work on upgrading the power and also getting into the 637 00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:07,600 center line and all of that. So well big shout out to all the employees. 638 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,480 It's a 639 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:17,260 is just amazing. So, comments, questions, and concerns with the celebration? 640 00:56:18,020 --> 00:56:26,400 I mean, might want to include a couple of sites near the event, take it, that clarify that 641 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:32,860 seats, that seats are allowed. Stadium seats? Yeah, that was a great issue on the 642 00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:40,300 You know, it is everything and people, even if you've asked them to take about, they are 643 00:56:40,300 --> 00:56:40,920 dealing with you. 644 00:56:41,060 --> 00:56:41,200 Yeah. 645 00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:45,900 And it's, unfortunately, the seats are wide enough now, they're not deep enough. 646 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:51,740 So when we reached, we, when we did everything, there was no way to make them deeper that we 647 00:56:51,740 --> 00:56:52,540 changed the width. 648 00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:57,300 And so a stadium seat would be okay from a width perspective, but it's not from a narrow 649 00:56:57,300 --> 00:56:57,760 perspective. 650 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:05,740 So, yeah, one hundred really good thing is put the section ABCD flip on the outside. 651 00:57:06,260 --> 00:57:09,980 Yeah, and the opening of where you walk up in, that would be good. 652 00:57:10,140 --> 00:57:17,520 I have 500, I just want the bottom row and that 500 people know where F is, you know, over and B. 653 00:57:17,620 --> 00:57:21,460 That's good because we could put them and just say B this way, C this way. 654 00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:23,000 Yeah, that's very good. 655 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,740 up like that, really get rid of the congestion. 656 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,560 And finish off the very few places in the handrails 657 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:30,880 that the bees can still get in. 658 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:31,740 That's about it. 659 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:33,820 They were mostly fixed, but we had a few. 660 00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:34,760 We had a few. 661 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:35,840 My grants and best of them. 662 00:57:35,860 --> 00:57:36,580 Oh, you're in the country. 663 00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,720 I think having some sort of map that we had a lot of people 664 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,540 at the concession stand asking, how do I get to F? 665 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,540 And then if cars are moving in, or you've got that, 666 00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:51,320 the grand trade moving in, then it's like, well, you walk all 667 00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:57,080 Well, and you don't even do that now because of the new way the rodeo stuff set up. 668 00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,320 Yeah, you can't get around to the other side, so you just have a lot of confusion with that people asking how to get there. 669 00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:05,920 Of course, a lot of them were like late and in a hurry and say, well, I'm sure it's sort of further back. 670 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,520 Yeah, but that's good because we could have a sign that says F here and G here because otherwise, 671 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:19,920 ABCDE will be covered by the entrances, so an F and a G sign pointing in the different directions should do that. 672 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,380 One thing that helped last year, we didn't do it this year because we had some problems with the Wi-Fi 673 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:33,060 reaching the ticket things over at that other game, but that people that are sitting in those sections 674 00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:38,340 took their tickets over there or the vendors go in. Oh yeah. 675 00:58:38,460 --> 00:58:41,940 We did that last year, but it kind of went weird because you didn't. 676 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,880 And we fixed it this time, but we didn't end up using it. We just knew it. Yeah, so that's a good point too. 677 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:54,000 So that if you say the the crowd if you say AB and F if we have a sign that's 678 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,520 that are walking down says AB and F go here and then just even one of us out there 679 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:04,640 is it you know yeah and you go back to printed programs yeah yeah well there's 680 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,000 a reason the printed programs but we're working on that so the problem with the 681 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:13,280 printed programs was we didn't know who would sign up for the derby till the day 682 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:22,740 Yeah, they all have this whole scheme that for some reason they can't tell people they're 683 00:59:22,740 --> 00:59:23,280 signing up. 684 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,180 So we don't know who the drivers are until drivers meet. 685 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,400 We're not going to say it does a program on how I would do it. 686 00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:30,580 What's that? 687 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,260 We're not going to say it does a program on how I would do it. 688 00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:40,960 Well, we at least have the cars and drivers online, so anyway, there's some things we're 689 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:41,360 working on. 690 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:47,780 We incentive the drivers to sign up earlier because it helps. So we'll see if that landed because that was good 691 00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:51,180 Basically today, we all heard the drivers 692 00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:56,280 No, it's good, okay 693 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:18,380 It's time that if you're looking for a city councilman to volunteer to drive a car on the journey, it's on my bucket. Well, I like it because Kelly's out. He got his qualify. He probably, I mean, when you get a second call at the W-A-B-A, you get a year suspension. 694 01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:29,660 It's got to be called out for a driver's door hip. And that's OK. I've taken third because he got kicked out. I took a default second. Wow. 695 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:30,840 I don't know, did you share something? 696 01:00:31,460 --> 01:00:32,340 Share what? 697 01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:33,840 I don't know, all that money made. 698 01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,760 You know, we donate our money. 699 01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:38,400 So our money went to the dog. 700 01:00:39,580 --> 01:00:41,520 Our money went to the police dog, 701 01:00:41,620 --> 01:00:43,020 and we were very happy for it. 702 01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:46,060 But, no, I will take that under advisement 703 01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:48,260 because we have something pretty fun planned, I think. 704 01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:48,900 Okay. 705 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,260 So, yeah. 706 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:53,920 My wife will go crazy, but that's okay. 707 01:00:54,540 --> 01:00:56,760 Hey, Bruce's go away. 708 01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:05,340 trophies last forever, but I didn't get a trophy last time, but I digress. Anything else? 709 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:12,420 We do need to have a committee debrief that will get scheduled, but those are all very good 710 01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:18,260 suggestions. And we should have within the next couple of weeks final figures on everything we made, 711 01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,720 everything we spent all I kind of think. So whether we want to do that in a committee debrief or 712 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,360 or actually council meeting, we can go over, you know, 713 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:27,360 how these events did. 714 01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:30,480 Yeah, so let's put 24th of July financial review 715 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,860 on the council. 716 01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:35,740 And then we'll invite the committee chairs 717 01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:36,880 to come to the council meeting. 718 01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:38,160 Yeah, we'll have a great guy, 719 01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:39,660 who you got, Cal. 720 01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:41,780 We'll have to get the next council meeting. 721 01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,580 Yeah, yeah. 722 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,220 And what we'll do is just, the committee meeting 723 01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:48,940 will have after or before. 724 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,980 So we'll invite the committee before. 725 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:58,100 So they don't have to sit through the whole council maybe have been come at seven or six thirty. 726 01:01:58,220 --> 01:01:58,640 Yeah. 727 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:00,200 Okay. 728 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:01,800 Perfect. 729 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:02,340 Thank you. 730 01:02:02,940 --> 01:02:03,380 Okay. 731 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,880 Moving on to approval of ordinances and resolutions. 732 01:02:05,980 --> 01:02:11,200 We have a solar standards and permitting ordinance. 733 01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,560 Would either of you like to speak to it, or should we just move forward? 734 01:02:22,270 --> 01:02:27,590 I just wanted to, I forgot, I'm Greg, for every sea power, I forgot we're, we're 735 01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:30,970 just, we're, we're getting some estimates, bring a guy in to go over over three 736 01:02:30,970 --> 01:02:34,650 phase metering, make sure it's all wired right and working right. That's off the 737 01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:40,390 topic. Sorry. I just forgot. It's a good idea. I'm making it. But so yeah, this is 738 01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:49,990 ordinance. The Garrett and I we've noticed a lot of a lot of solar just appearing on our 739 01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:56,770 system out you know no burnout here in town even some by the shock that we didn't notice until 740 01:02:56,770 --> 01:03:02,390 they were up and so we kind of went through and studied what other city's had and went through what 741 01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:09,470 we wanted in there and Nathan printed it up so it was in our ordinance forms that have run on 742 01:03:11,950 --> 01:03:17,810 We think we need to get something in place because it's going to start to bite us, you know, 743 01:03:17,810 --> 01:03:26,530 like all these surprises and we have one out, I won't say who it is, but outside of town that 744 01:03:27,250 --> 01:03:31,790 we think is backfeeding us and they wanted, they insisted when they were building their home, 745 01:03:31,790 --> 01:03:37,850 they wanted an old dial meter and I said well for you know, because he's oil is too hard for you 746 01:03:37,850 --> 01:03:39,110 you guys to come out and read them. 747 01:03:39,110 --> 01:03:40,170 That what the issue is, I'm off. 748 01:03:40,270 --> 01:03:41,710 You want to pay us more money, you can, 749 01:03:41,830 --> 01:03:43,430 so I let them do it. 750 01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:45,310 And now we think he's back feeding us. 751 01:03:46,310 --> 01:03:48,950 So this has, they have to take a meter from us 752 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:52,310 that we want and it has a county, 753 01:03:52,650 --> 01:03:56,410 does all the inspections and they're to permit fee. 754 01:03:56,930 --> 01:03:59,630 And then at the end, for us to go out and look at it, 755 01:03:59,650 --> 01:04:00,390 there's another fee. 756 01:04:01,690 --> 01:04:03,370 And it's not that, you know, I don't, 757 01:04:03,570 --> 01:04:06,030 I don't want the citizens to think we're against it, 758 01:04:06,030 --> 01:04:11,190 but because we have solar through UM, we have wind through UM, we have natural gas through UM, 759 01:04:11,410 --> 01:04:16,910 so it's just electrocuted by solar cells. Yeah, it's to cover our own benefit and control what size 760 01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:25,290 they're putting up. You know, we don't, we figure five KW for each home and when we hang transformers 761 01:04:25,290 --> 01:04:30,610 and stuff and when we start getting these big ones it burns the transformers up and then not only 762 01:04:30,610 --> 01:04:35,450 is it affect and the person with the solar but it's affecting all the neighbors without 763 01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:41,210 the solar and so we wanted to get something in place and that's what this is. 764 01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:47,150 How does this work with that patio solar model in the past? 765 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:59,930 So I got some research on that. The patio solar has to be 1,500 watts. 766 01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:04,410 It has to be 767 01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:10,590 UL approved. It has to be portable. You can say plug it in, unplug it. So if it's not 768 01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:17,330 It's not portable. It doesn't pass and meet that state law requirement and it's a 1200 watt 769 01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:26,510 Basically, that's a hairdryer. Yeah, but the UL approved like nobody. I mean, they're not required for anybody to come and look at it 770 01:05:26,510 --> 01:05:30,590 Right, but I don't know yourself. I've had to put that to produce some sort of a standard 771 01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:39,110 The law does state that the city can inspect it the power company can go in and inspect it if they suspect that it's not it's yeah 772 01:05:40,450 --> 01:05:44,670 But we don't have to, they don't have to come and say, I'm going to do this. 773 01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:51,170 But if it's suspected, the power company has the right to go in and inspect it. 774 01:05:52,070 --> 01:05:58,230 And so we call the county and they said, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, at all, it doesn't 775 01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:58,870 call for it. 776 01:05:59,270 --> 01:06:07,470 It's not, you know, it's not, it's got to be a mobile, it's got to be a portable, yes, that's 777 01:06:07,470 --> 01:06:13,630 So if it's anything rooftop or anything on a permanent structure at all, whatever it is, 778 01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:16,430 it doesn't qualify as that 1,200 watt. 779 01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:23,610 So we can inspect or do whatever we want if it's on any sort of permanent structure. 780 01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:28,670 Okay, does this imply that this stuff does not hook up to the grid? 781 01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:31,350 Is that a standalone system? 782 01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:33,530 No, no. 783 01:06:34,930 --> 01:06:43,690 Yeah, just help me just with the science of it so that so word is problematic is when it's connected to the city. There's a 784 01:06:43,690 --> 01:06:50,190 person when when a back feed to the city and it's too big it yeah and that's just by nature the way it's 785 01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:56,310 installed. Yeah versus it's supposed to by law you know because we don't participate in that 786 01:06:56,310 --> 01:07:03,330 meeting. It shouldn't come onto our system. It should be isolated, but it depends on their inspection 787 01:07:03,330 --> 01:07:10,150 whether it's isolated or not. I know for a fact we had, I've seen a couple of them that were 788 01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:16,130 installed. They came through town, they sold the solar, it was great. They didn't follow the 789 01:07:16,130 --> 01:07:17,990 process and it wasn't isolated. 790 01:07:20,330 --> 01:07:23,650 It was back feeding through and they had to go through a process of 791 01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:28,350 Isolating it so that it could not come back through the meter and back into the system 792 01:07:28,350 --> 01:07:35,310 So that's what the inspection's really about is making sure that and they can do what they want on their side of the meter 793 01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:40,030 They can do what they want and they're meeting all their standard like through the county 794 01:07:40,030 --> 01:07:42,910 There's there's certain standards that this brings up 795 01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:52,230 So that's what we have something because a lot of time you'll go out and say like you know, we don't do net meter and we don't do this and then 796 01:07:53,650 --> 01:08:01,310 I don't want to label it, be end up with a big bite on your hands, and this tells us, you know, it has some 797 01:08:01,310 --> 01:08:07,450 Council backing that shows the city has an ordinance, we can say like this is the ordinance is what you have to do if you want to do that 798 01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:09,330 If not then you don't need her power 799 01:08:09,330 --> 01:08:13,150 The other one is the important one section 5 inspection and disconnection enforcement 800 01:08:13,150 --> 01:08:20,250 It gives them the authority to if it's found to be non-compliant with the ordinance operating without proper inspection or 801 01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:25,030 proposing a hazard to the municipal power bill can be disconnected from city power immediately. 802 01:08:26,250 --> 01:08:27,690 Just authorize this then. 803 01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:33,710 Yeah, to do so we have some so we have some backing they know that, you know, it's just 804 01:08:33,710 --> 01:08:38,190 not Garrett and I out there, you know, just a second we're open in the public hearing as soon 805 01:08:38,190 --> 01:08:44,870 as he's done because it does it turns into a big argument and debate out there where we 806 01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:47,450 don't have anything that's written down in policy. 807 01:08:52,910 --> 01:09:03,270 Well, and it keeps your neighbors how safe like you stated through the transformer because the transformer connects multiple homes if you're back feeding through you one person can affect a neighbor's home. 808 01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:09,030 This also applies to our power grid, not just Fairview City. 809 01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:16,930 Yes, so it'll be all of all of it's a yeah, you out Milburn out here up there. You high 810 01:09:19,090 --> 01:09:21,770 Any other questions before we go into public hearing 811 01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:26,050 hearing no questions 812 01:09:26,730 --> 01:09:34,190 We get a motion to move into the public hearing you just open. Okay. We're just gonna open the public hearing at 8.41 813 01:09:35,270 --> 01:09:40,070 Now do we have any public comment my question is why would you hook it to a city like 814 01:09:42,550 --> 01:09:45,010 Well, it shouldn't be hooked to the city line. 815 01:09:45,090 --> 01:09:46,570 It should be isolated on the home. 816 01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:48,790 It should be isolated on the home, 817 01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:50,510 but it isn't always done properly. 818 01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:53,830 If you generate more power, 819 01:09:54,730 --> 01:09:56,590 don't you sell it back to the power company? 820 01:09:57,490 --> 01:09:58,690 No, no, okay. 821 01:09:59,090 --> 01:10:02,770 So why would it be, it would be proper to be connected? 822 01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:04,590 If it's set up wrong, you know, 823 01:10:04,750 --> 01:10:07,010 if the solar system is hooked to your house, 824 01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:09,150 and your house is hooked to the city line, 825 01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:18,230 Then there can be some back feeders come further back into it if it's not isolated. So the power system should isolate the two kind of like a transfer switch in a way. 826 01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:21,730 I mean, I can't wait to transfer mine from the city line. 827 01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:22,450 What's that? 828 01:10:22,650 --> 01:10:24,490 Can you just disconnect from the city line? 829 01:10:24,710 --> 01:10:30,230 Most people's solar systems are power, you know, big enough to power the whole home completely, you know. 830 01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:38,210 They're using solar as a supplement, not as something that, you know, they're not going to operate something that's supplying their whole home 24 and 7. 831 01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:42,490 Well, they finished up like, see, me and my wife, I don't use a lot of time. 832 01:10:43,870 --> 01:10:46,550 You pay for it, but most people don't. 833 01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:50,170 Yeah, they could disconnect from the city. 834 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:52,170 They could not get city power. 835 01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:54,810 It's like Nathan said, it's not going to... 836 01:10:54,810 --> 01:10:57,390 You have to have a pretty big system to run your home now. 837 01:10:58,230 --> 01:10:58,970 Battery backup. 838 01:10:59,210 --> 01:11:01,330 Battery's further when you don't have solar at nine. 839 01:11:01,470 --> 01:11:01,570 Yeah. 840 01:11:01,770 --> 01:11:02,590 To give you a zero. 841 01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:04,270 Okay. 842 01:11:04,270 --> 01:11:10,530 plus some people will probably keep it because, you know, there's a series of cloudy days you're going to be out of power, 843 01:11:10,690 --> 01:11:13,510 it's just so we defend it's a part of it. 844 01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:14,150 So we're out here. 845 01:11:14,670 --> 01:11:16,490 Reliable solar, it's very expensive. 846 01:11:17,450 --> 01:11:19,370 It can't be done, but it's very expensive. 847 01:11:19,710 --> 01:11:23,390 Because we have to use it for mountain tops and things like that. 848 01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:25,530 It can correct me if I'm not. 849 01:11:25,810 --> 01:11:28,290 But that means we basically, if someone was set up, 850 01:11:28,390 --> 01:11:30,050 where they could resell back to us. 851 01:11:30,050 --> 01:11:36,190 Yeah, fairview city does not participate in that it right now with the side VR 852 01:11:36,190 --> 01:11:40,570 It's not cost effective for us to invest in that meter 853 01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:45,550 We did we just read it all our meter 854 01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:49,010 For my years, which is not a good 855 01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:53,210 Absolutely, any other public comment? 856 01:11:54,770 --> 01:11:58,310 Right, I just like to thank fairview city just 857 01:11:58,310 --> 01:12:04,390 with the irrigation company, we've had a lot of breaks this year. A lot of time we can't 858 01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:09,910 determine whether it's yours or ours, but he's been over the top most of the time there 859 01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:10,090 are. 860 01:12:12,170 --> 01:12:18,950 He's helping us. And then also with the mapping of the GIS, he's done, he's allowed 861 01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:25,650 us to need six in time. All our pipelines and breaks and meters we're putting in are all going 862 01:12:25,650 --> 01:12:32,350 on your system because you are paying for that and we appreciate the health and 863 01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:39,310 the partnership on that. Absolutely. Thank you. He's invaluable. Oh yes. We know. 864 01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:43,810 We know. Now his head's going to be so big. 865 01:12:44,010 --> 01:12:49,090 You're going to have to throw it away. No, we're so public hearing. We can't do that in public hearing. 866 01:12:49,090 --> 01:12:54,310 Okay. Do we motion to go out of public hearing? 867 01:12:54,710 --> 01:12:55,250 You just call it. 868 01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:55,870 Oh, it's okay. 869 01:12:56,210 --> 01:12:57,450 Having no more public comment? 870 01:12:57,970 --> 01:12:58,070 No? 871 01:12:58,650 --> 01:12:58,870 Okay. 872 01:12:59,390 --> 01:13:01,810 We're going to close the public hearing at 8.44. 873 01:13:05,290 --> 01:13:05,730 The... 874 01:13:05,730 --> 01:13:07,110 You need to make a motion. 875 01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:11,530 We'll need to make a motion to approve resolution 2025. 876 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:14,790 Excuse me. 877 01:13:15,070 --> 01:13:16,310 2026-05. 878 01:13:17,010 --> 01:13:18,830 I think a motion to open the ordinance. 879 01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:26,650 We have a motion by Bob do we have a second a second by Kelly all in favor that motion passes you Nanimously 880 01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:28,090 Okay 881 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,720 Mayors report. We kind of covered most everything the only thing I will report. 882 01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:38,920 I 883 01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:44,660 Have been asked to be on the drinking water board. It is made it through 884 01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:49,700 Most of it it does need to go through the legislature for approval 885 01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:54,700 So hopefully, I expect that that will be approved. 886 01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:01,820 That could be very helpful for us as we finish our drinking water project. 887 01:14:02,380 --> 01:14:05,100 Having representation on the drinking water board. 888 01:14:05,340 --> 01:14:11,760 The drinking water board has two elected officials at large that run municipal water systems. 889 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,520 And there is vacancy right now. 890 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:19,220 It's made up of nine people I think and two are elected officials that run me against 891 01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:19,740 full system. 892 01:14:20,060 --> 01:14:24,000 So it could be pretty good for one that we'll get through legislatively. 893 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,680 I believe the interim session is ongoing right now. 894 01:14:28,260 --> 01:14:29,840 So it should happen now. 895 01:14:31,890 --> 01:14:32,430 Oh man. 896 01:14:36,500 --> 01:14:39,520 So you'll probably be on to their October. 897 01:14:39,980 --> 01:14:40,140 Yes. 898 01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,260 I will miss the August one, but I'll be on for October. 899 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:57,000 Shannon Rasmussen with rural water is the one that put my name forward I don't have anything 900 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:57,540 else to report. 901 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,620 I will look for any questions or if no questions, a motion to approve vouchers. 902 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,820 We have a motion by 903 01:15:14,820 --> 01:15:20,720 Charlene. Do we have a second? Still reviewing that? Let me just ask you one quick question 904 01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,140 And then if the entire of me asked me these kind of questions, 905 01:15:24,580 --> 01:15:26,980 but it was the case, but it was the case. 906 01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:27,500 What's happening? 907 01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:30,000 It was the case. 908 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,660 I'm better in case you're worse over. 909 01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:37,080 No, I'm just a negative balance from one day to the next. 910 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,880 Is that representative of our actual bank balance? 911 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,980 I didn't think so, but I'm used to seeing 912 01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:47,400 that it's still the actual numbers. 913 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:52,580 Is it still the minus 70 that's actually pseudo? 914 01:15:55,660 --> 01:16:02,120 So if you were actually to do a net 70, that would get you to what the balance is. 915 01:16:02,340 --> 01:16:06,620 I think it was 70 wasn't it, it was a 52. 916 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:13,080 The number that it's the delta between what we're seeing and what's actually the balance. 917 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:14,960 Oh, I see what you're saying. 918 01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,140 I mean, it's pretty dang up today. 919 01:16:18,460 --> 01:16:24,600 So if you go to the, I mean, what's funny is this is like, 920 01:16:24,780 --> 01:16:27,240 if you go to the very last page where it says ending balance 921 01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:32,820 and it has that amount, that is pretty, that is representative. 922 01:16:33,260 --> 01:16:37,220 I'd say quite representative of every single thing we have 923 01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:39,160 in just our checking account. 924 01:16:39,860 --> 01:16:45,420 If accounting for if every single invoice bond payment, all that kind of thing that we have a check 925 01:16:45,420 --> 01:16:53,920 rich in for was cashed immediately. And so, there is sometimes a bit of a delay because, and that can be 926 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:59,180 the negative sometimes, especially in the beginning of the year, close to the negatives, because we need to 927 01:16:59,180 --> 01:17:05,200 drop from our PTIF or kind of our rainy days to countryside. And then it makes it up near the 928 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,660 So that's not representative of our bank account. 929 01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:15,260 No, you know, it's just, it's, it is representative of our bank account, but you need to do some math thing. 930 01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:19,060 Any kind of account for everything that's outing to set. 931 01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,920 That hadn't been cashed yet. 932 01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,760 Well, yeah, it just says bank register. 933 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,820 Yeah, just want to confirm that we're not in the hole. 934 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:27,240 Never. 935 01:17:28,060 --> 01:17:29,340 I didn't think so. 936 01:17:29,540 --> 01:17:29,720 Yeah. 937 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,800 But I need to be more comfortable there. 938 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:47,000 I need to be worse than Casey, so there's like a 50K bond payment if you remember a few months back that is in the register that hasn't actually been debited. 939 01:17:47,380 --> 01:17:48,580 And so that's what creates it. 940 01:17:52,900 --> 01:17:55,900 Yeah, and keep in mind that this is just our checking account. 941 01:17:56,060 --> 01:17:59,500 This is not our like PTIF savings account or anything like that. 942 01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:04,280 And that is, I can give you the balances on this. 943 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:05,560 No, I didn't, but yeah. 944 01:18:09,490 --> 01:18:10,910 So we have a motion, do we have a second? 945 01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:11,690 A second. 946 01:18:11,950 --> 01:18:12,810 Second, all in favor? 947 01:18:13,950 --> 01:18:15,530 Motion passes, you're now in the second. 948 01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:17,710 I'm motion weighted here. 949 01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:18,710 Thank you, Shirley. 950 01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:23,510 Yeah, for more information on that. 951 01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:24,550 That's right. 952 01:18:54,550 --> 01:19:05,270 It's a lot of work, and that's what I'm saying. 953 01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:11,650 I don't know what to say about it. 954 01:19:13,090 --> 01:19:14,630 It's hard, isn't it? 955 01:19:14,650 --> 01:19:15,270 It's good.