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[0:01] Okay, welcome, members, ready to city council meeting Tuesday, August 18th.
[0:08] Brian, could I ask you to give us an invocation? Sure.
[0:16] Our dear Father and Heaven, as we come before the city council meeting, we ask that I spare maybe with us. We may have a good understanding of what needs we need in our community or thankful for the range that we've had and for the beautiful place in which we have to live.
[0:32] We're again, thank you for these things, and say that's the name of my son, Jesus Christ, and I'll give you a minute.
[0:38] Please stand.
[0:41] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[0:56] Thank you.
[0:58] Okay. I will look for any changes or if no changes in approval of the meeting minutes
[1:05] of the June 16 and June 30th meetings.
[1:18] We have a motion by Mike. Do we have a second?
[1:21] I'll second it. Second by Michael. All in favor? Motion passes you in
[1:27] unanimously. Thank you. Okay. First appearance. Heather with the San
[1:31] Pete County clerk on elections.
[1:44] Well, this pick me up if I just standing
[1:46] for that. Yeah. Yeah. Talk louder. Yeah. Okay. Good evening. I'm Heather. I am
[1:54] San Pete Clowni. San Pete County's election specialist. I'm also deputy clerk
[1:58] Philinda Krishanson. She does apologize for not being able to make it
[2:02] today. We have to divide and conquer and try and hit all the municipalities
[2:06] before the end of August. So you guys are stuck with me. Sorry about your luck.
[2:11] If you don't know what we do in the county clerk's office, we do grammar requests.
[2:15] We handle marriage licenses, passports, business licenses, meetings and agendas for the county commissioners on the planning commission.
[2:23] And then we also do my personal favorite elections. When Linda came into the office, her one priority was to build a stronger, more direct connection with our municipal leaders.
[2:35] But more specifically with our city recorders and under Utah law, our recorders serve as the election officials for the municipal elections.
[2:43] She's election officer for the county.
[2:46] The recorders carry the responsibility at a local governance right at the roots, grassroots level.
[2:52] Today I'm here to discuss the interlocal agreements and some 2027 election dates.
[2:59] First, let's turn to the Interlocal Agreement.
[3:01] This was passed as a draft through the county commission and the county attorney.
[3:06] We just ask that you review it with your county attorney and get back to us any suggestions
[3:11] edits that you would like to make.
[3:13] We'll send this over via DocuSign, no later than April of 27.
[3:18] If you don't know already but you guys have 775 active registered voters and in the new Interlocal
[3:27] agreement, it bumps up from $2.25 per active registered voter to $4 per active registered
[3:33] voter. And in the past five election cycles, you guys have had a primary election in
[3:38] 21 and 25, and then general elections in the 17, 19, 21, 23 and 25. So when you go to
[3:46] do your budgeting, just maybe I suggest put a contingent for a primary just in case, but
[3:52] you probably will have a general.
[3:57] Just so you're aware, by partnering with the county,
[3:59] the city avoids having to purchase hundreds of thousands of dollars in optical tabulators,
[4:04] high-speed scanners and specialized voting machines. The county handles the heavy technical
[4:09] lift, printing mailing ballots, managing signature verification, tabulating votes,
[4:13] and conducting post-election audits. Some roles and responsibilities we for poll workers
[4:22] slash ballot security. So while we manage all the high-tech things, our local recorders
[4:29] are in charge of noticing for the election. Also there's one thing that we really need
[4:36] your help with and it is pull record training and involvement which Nathan is really good
[4:42] at attending pull record trainings. We had one just a couple weeks ago and he was there.
[4:47] When a ballot pick up and delivery, the last couple of elections, we haven't had, because
[4:53] we have to have two poll workers at a time with ballots, and we've had to call in your
[4:58] guys' law enforcement, which we have really appreciated, to help pick up ballots and deliver
[5:02] them to us.
[5:04] statutory notices and disclosures, those are the recorder's main responsibility for posting,
[5:10] and it's posted on the Utah Public Notice website, as well as collecting financial disclosures.
[5:16] Just a few things I heard Michael talk about vacancies like if they come up within like
[5:23] before the term is up.
[5:25] We just ask that those changes get like tell us those please so that we can update
[5:31] our system because then that updates the state system also.
[5:35] Let's see.
[5:36] A few things is I want to share with you that the residents of Fairview can utilize our
[5:42] our Mount Pleasant Voting Center on election day, and it's just started this past municipal
[5:51] election.
[5:52] So you guys' last municipal election is started.
[5:55] We didn't have very much voter turnout there, but if you guys could help us let your
[5:59] residents know that that is an option that would be greatly appreciated.
[6:04] So there's a few things.
[6:05] We have this calendar that gets sent out every year.
[6:09] the green is the recorders the orange is the county and the blank is either split
[6:15] between city and county or the LG takes over it and the very first thing on
[6:21] this calendar will start January 1. We actually just got an email from our liaison
[6:25] telling us that we had a year a year until our election so there's that.
[6:36] Now if
[6:37] you would turn to this paper that you guys have, it just shows you that your primary
[6:43] election is in August, some key deadlines for 2027, and then your general election
[6:48] is November 2nd of 27.
[6:52] When you guys take into account for your calendar year for your city council meetings, if you
[7:07] Um, schedule a special meeting just to canvas your election.
[7:13] Okay. Um, so our Sampey County Elections Office just recently was recognized
[7:20] by Lieutenant Governor's Office as one of the only five counties of the 29 counties
[7:25] to receive an award at the state capital. It was for excellence in elections,
[7:29] communications, best practices for voter education, outreach and accessibility.
[7:33] and this recognition belongs to our entire elections teams and the municipal
[7:38] recorders who partner with us. It shows us that even in a rural county we can set
[7:42] the standards for clean accessible and secure elections.
[7:47] With that being said I'd
[7:48] like to address the crucial role of your city recorder. Even though this will not
[7:52] be his first election leading Fairview City, 2027 is still his election. And our
[7:57] priorities to ensure the process is legally compliant, smooth and successful. To
[8:02] achieve that active participation in all county election trainings and consistent prompt
[8:06] communication with our office is our absolute necessities. Running a seamless election requires
[8:12] a close partnership and we need his direct engagement every step of the way. We deeply value
[8:18] our participation, we deeply value our partnership with every city in San Pete County and we are here
[8:23] to help and guide you but we need your activity to the table starting with training and ballot security.
[8:28] Thank you for your service in our communities and I'm happy to answer any questions that you have.
[8:37] I like the silence.
[8:38] I just don't accept being there.
[8:42] It's pretty clear for all the people.
[8:44] What's the number of participating jurisdictions?
[8:48] Your jurisdictions just fair view city.
[8:54] County commissioners always got their hand in our pockets.
[8:59] So what's different about this agreement?
[9:01] So your rate has gone up from $2.25 to $4, and some of like the envelope past one, we weren't so strict on the ballot pickup on municipal years, but in this one it's just a little bit more laid out like you are in charge of picking up and dropping off the ballots, the county is not.
[9:25] And you'll, Nathan, you'll give this over to the attorney for review.
[9:29] Yes.
[9:30] And then will you keep us updated of the cities so if they opted in or selected or?
[9:35] Yeah.
[9:35] Absolutely.
[9:37] Yep.
[9:38] You're wondering about rate increases, that's also the due to mandated election.
[9:42] No, I'm just, I just figured I'd throw a little jab at the county commissioner since we didn't recognize that we had one independence tonight, except when you, which we appreciate your attendance.
[9:55] So is this going to be going in person or going by mail?
[9:58] So we are a vote by mail state and you have to state if you've got a mail in ballot,
[10:07] you would have to have stated you wanted to vote by mail or vote in person.
[10:11] So if you vote if you checked vote in person, you will not receive a ballot in the mail.
[10:15] But the Mount Pleasant Senior Citizen Center is on a location.
[10:18] Yep, or if you work in Manta you're more than welcome to come to Manta's location too
[10:24] But that one's just on election day till eight o'clock right correct
[10:30] Yep, ballots have to be in the county clerk's position. I mean possession by 8 p.m. For your ballot to count
[10:36] I've volunteered to go with a cop to pick up the ballot boxes
[10:42] Well, I get a pick which cop
[10:43] But if you're if you're on the ballot, you don't get to participate. Sorry. Oh, I will never be
[11:13] I'm Greg Sornson. I work with the Power Department and Fairview. And I'm just here to
[11:18] give you a lot of dates. So would you guys probably can see through your vouchers or whatever
[11:23] where we cut a pretty big check to Mount Pleasant, $493,912.75 and that's for the engineering
[11:33] and the acquiring the easements through where 46 line is going to run. Just to make
[11:41] sure like we have all the easements from our 46 line but they's the engineers and people
[11:48] are doing it. It says they've run into a lot of problems with old ones and they want to
[11:52] get the wording all up to date and we should get reimbursed for that. I don't know when
[11:59] it's coming but we should get reimbursed for that. And then once that's done we can
[12:05] start ordering parts and get started on it. Are there any questions?
[12:12] So just for the council's knowledge we have in our ETF funds we have, we checked and we
[12:18] We have a substantial amount of money in our PTF funds.
[12:21] We also have a couple hundred thousand dollars at UMMs in capital improvement funds.
[12:30] And so we've got the funding for the project and then the different parts and pieces along
[12:34] the way, but you will see large expenditures that then get reimbursed and back.
[12:40] So we will have to carry it on the general temporarily, but we can pull it down through PTIF and
[12:46] manage it through those spots.
[12:50] So for those of you who are in here, this has been, does it three years or four years
[12:55] in the, and it's something that Garrett and I have wanted since we both started here.
[13:00] That line was built in the early 60s and the wire is small and brittle and we've done
[13:08] a lot of what we could do, but it'll make our system a lot better since we have that in.
[13:15] Any questions?
[13:17] Thank you so much.
[13:21] Just in Water and Sear Department update and water conservation plan.
[13:26] Yes.
[13:27] So I'm going to take control of the water for a second.
[13:34] All of you, Justin Jackson, Water and Sear Ship are intent on, then all of you can receive
[13:42] water conservation plan that I sent out a few weeks ago.
[13:46] Yes.
[13:52] So it is up for renewal, which is a requirement by the Division of Natural Resources.
[14:03] And this is
[14:07] really important because we are actually in one of the first times where we've ever actually hit stage two of our water conservation.
[14:15] and
[14:18] so giving out a little gloss over a lot of that, it has a lot of water rights, water usage,
[14:26] budgets, when you kind of get down into 5.2 or conservation goals and solutions, right
[14:37] now the
[14:38] updated one does not have anything updated in it for that section particularly. So if there are
[14:46] things that you have sought up, we need to get those into those sections. It has
[14:53] things like repair remaining projects, things that were
[15:00] From feasibility, I'm taking control of the amount of water applied to specifically city on properties. Initiate public education program. You know, we've got things like the little meter that's on Fairview City's website that I update every week so that people can go and actually see where we are sitting relative to supplying the man.
[15:30] continue to maintain a financially stable water system and it also includes
[15:37] Section 5 there has is the new stuff the AquaTrack software program that
[15:43] should be released mid-September. We're just going through cleaning up some
[15:49] data so the data transfer works between that and that software will be
[15:54] available to anybody in the public who wants to sign up. It's not mandatory, it's
[15:59] voluntary, but they'll be able to sign up and they will have additional analytics for their water usage and
[16:06] Compare you know this year's water usage say like July's to last July's or this month to that month
[16:13] It will also
[16:15] Allow us to be able to communicate directly with homeowners say we have a water main break
[16:22] I'll be able to get on my GIS and say these are the houses. I want it to notify that they're gonna be out of water for five
[16:28] the text hours or whatever we think it's going to be, and it will automatically send that out to
[16:34] them and give them real-time updates. So that's in their section five, with it's probably the biggest
[16:40] change from the radius of our conservation.
[16:45] One of the things we have there is the
[16:48] fairytale city and local irrigation companies have policies. One of the things that we need to talk
[16:54] about there. We just is Plan C.
[17:02] So right now we're kind of on Plan B. Plan C, we don't know if
[17:06] we're going to have a great winter or another coming winter. And if we have a coming winter,
[17:12] next year we're going to get very, very interesting. And so one of the things that we have talked about
[17:20] potentially being able to do is if you look up here on the Googlers map up in
[17:26] the mouth of the canyon we have a city well up in there and it flows a lot of
[17:36] water and it's flowing a lot of water right now but there was so much sulfur
[17:42] content in it that nobody wanted to drink it nobody nobody liked having that
[17:47] Sovery smell they tried to treat it. It was not a very good treatment practice that they had going on there
[17:54] but it is something that I've always kept in my back pocket of saying okay if things get really really bad
[18:01] That well can be utilized in one of two ways
[18:06] First is probably the easiest is we can turn that pump on it'll flow into the river and
[18:14] put water into the irrigation company's system and hopefully people that have
[18:20] access to that will utilize that first instead of the drinking water or we can
[18:26] also do a complete renovation on it and add in additional treatment which would
[18:33] be a lot more costly. Standards have changed since 1984 when this was drilled but
[18:42] And that is potential and be able to put it right back into our drinking water as well.
[18:47] So just to run that pump, just to spin the pump is a minimum $50,000 investment.
[18:55] None of the power and electrical devices were ever installed.
[19:01] There's no panels on it.
[19:02] It was directly connected to the main lines.
[19:06] There's no VFDs on the pumps.
[19:08] We couldn't control the speed of how much we're pumping.
[19:12] All of that would have to be redone.
[19:16] That would be the minimum to be able to put it in even
[19:19] into the irrigation system.
[19:21] But it did flow.
[19:23] The previous records were about 600 gallons a minute.
[19:26] It's roughly 1 1 1-1-1-1-1 cubic feet a second, which I'd
[19:31] Brian's here in case there was any questions on the
[19:34] irrigation side.
[19:35] But that is a potential option.
[19:38] One of the big questions that would come up is, how do we break the cost out?
[19:43] How do we manage that portion of turning that on?
[19:50] Obviously, if we go down the drinking water path, that would all be on the city.
[19:54] And we're probably in the neighborhood of 150 to 200,000 to get it up to drinking water standards
[20:04] probably at a minimum. We would have to build a new structure a little bit larger, a little bit of
[20:10] piping along with all the electrical upgrades that need to be done, but that is there. It is
[20:17] up there and it would take,
[20:21] I would need probably two months in advance notice to be able to turn that
[20:28] on and make all this happen between changes to water rights. Would have to be made. I'd have to go
[20:34] process with the state to pull it out of their election. So there is some process
[20:44] permitting wise along with all the physical upgrades that would need to be
[20:49] made but that is kind of also built into that water conservation plan. It's
[20:56] just not detailed quite to that level because we have not figured out those
[21:01] details.
[21:04] And this is, you know, I'm bringing this up now so you guys have time to think about it.
[21:08] We'll talk about this again later because this water conservation ordinance has to be passed by
[21:15] resolution. And so there will be another time that we'll bring it up.
[21:22] But those are some things
[21:23] that we need to think about and talk about because next year, you know, if we don't get a good winter,
[21:30] you know Mr. Rick said it earlier everybody's got a lot of them all okay what's the plan and we need
[21:38] to have our plan in place now because it takes time to get going and if if we're April still working
[21:49] at this it's not going to work it'll be a whole lot of years. Just come in, come in. Sure. So Brian
[21:58] I'm not aware of the represent and the continent
[22:01] used very irrigation.
[22:03] So anyway, if that water was dumped into our system,
[22:07] we've got three ponds that it could go into.
[22:11] So it wouldn't be, we could, our systems don't separate out.
[22:17] Residential would just add more water to our system.
[22:20] We can put more water in our city pond
[22:23] where most of the residents of Fairview said so that.
[22:29] but while I'm on the subject, just so you know, so we're working so we can
[22:35] troll that water better. We've hired hats in Allen and loose engineering
[22:40] company that's going to help us do a feasibility study up there so we can measure
[22:45] the water and know which water's going in and just it's kind of off the subject but
[22:53] that it's to do with this is the Nero's project up there.
[22:59] They're wanting to put a park up there, a state park, and anyway, from what we understood
[23:10] as part of getting that state park from the federal government, getting that forest service
[23:17] ground, put that on, you got to have a recreation component, the water, high water storage,
[23:24] and then energy component. So since we are already working with the Conservancy District
[23:32] which Justin's on, we went ahead and put in there a hydro plant. There used to be a hydro
[23:40] plant at the mouth of it. So I put in there a feasibility study to put another hydro plant in there,
[23:51] just so that that's in there so that I can see that all three of those components,
[23:56] if it's feasible or if it would really go again, I don't know, but anyway, just so you know
[24:01] that we're pursuing that. I got a question real quick. You talked about 600 gallons. 600 gallons of
[24:11] So with that calculation, that's kind of a year-round kind of deal, it's not going to well likely.
[24:20] It hasn't been spun for 25 years.
[24:22] Yeah, but let's just assume that it is.
[24:27] What does that mean to cut McGoosebury as far as fairview citizens?
[24:33] Is that a year-round able to water without any restriction kind of deal?
[24:37] or is it enough to just not really a lot of water?
[24:42] It's not a lot, okay, that's what I didn't know.
[24:45] So yeah, does it matter to you to have that?
[24:48] Yeah, yeah, it would make a big difference this year.
[24:51] Sure, yeah, cause so 600, I mean,
[24:55] just to the characterization real quick,
[24:57] so you had about two CFS coming down right now,
[25:00] so it would nearly double what we have current.
[25:05] So so
[25:07] Not the city, but if you were looking at the fields. I'd be like running 85 rainbirds out there
[25:13] So if you move that to the city it would it would probably we'd take care of the
[25:18] the city
[25:20] Now that we've got it made her
[25:22] People are really doing well this year and coming back and so I think it would definitely make a big thing at the city
[25:29] The biggest thing we would have to do is irrigation companies make sure people are around there
[25:34] running their shares. It would make a difference. Cost for pump and electricity per
[25:42] hot-on-mall. But we can still only do that in the irrigation season. We shouldn't
[25:48] run it all here because they shut down whenever you shut down.
[25:52] Irrigation season in a bad year. In a type two year. Right. Or a type three.
[25:57] So usually April 15th and to Janum were usually pretty good and then that's when we open the lakes and most years we go all the way through and we'll never meet.
[26:11] Well, it's probably a double question, but in a year like this year, for example, does that have any impact on culinary water use?
[26:21] Yeah, yeah, if I mean I'm here with these very customers that are using culinary water. Okay, that's what I want to know. So there's a benefit there.
[26:31] There's a benefit to the city. Yeah, absolutely. That's the whole point is, with people don't have access to secondary irrigation water, they immediately go to drinking water as they're back up.
[26:46] and if they have access to secondary water,
[26:51] then they don't need to go to their back.
[26:53] And that's kind of what I would just confer.
[26:54] And there's another problem, too, is,
[26:56] it's not done properly,
[26:58] if they don't have backflow prevention property.
[27:00] Yeah, I mean, it opens,
[27:02] if you haven't been here for our long discussions
[27:04] on backflow prevention and cross-contamination, too.
[27:07] That's true.
[27:08] So, Kim Gouik, your president,
[27:13] we've been on restrictions for how many years now?
[27:18] where you water two or three days a week for an hour or two, five, 10 years.
[27:25] So our choices use this spring or hope for a good weather.
[27:31] Yeah.
[27:32] Because the backyard is tall crap now.
[27:34] Everything's dead because no water.
[27:38] My last three water turns, turn up, there's not a drop of water in the water.
[27:45] No, I think I throw around pounded houses, look like they get rained on every night.
[27:50] Yeah, so there's definitely coal in there.
[27:52] Oh yeah, there's that.
[27:53] Yeah.
[27:56] But that's a good understanding of just some of the metrics of that.
[28:01] When we had the two good rainstorms last week, we went from 1.8 million gallons a week
[28:07] down to just under 1.4.
[28:11] So you know, just from one week to a next, there was probably at least 400,000 and I've showed
[28:17] you guys the graphs or how that summer usage changes. The west side
[28:25] those that don't have secondary irrigation, that's always going to be okay.
[28:29] Well common sense just that's when you get water we can get. I mean if we have
[28:34] another bad winter this winter this town will drive a little away. And I've done
[28:39] a lot of the residents are happy with the way it's going. You spend 5,000
[28:44] on your yard, and then the next year it's all dead and gone, because it's no water, not
[28:49] because of nothing you do.
[28:51] Okay, planting and yard in Utah in general is about the equivalent of going to Vegas.
[28:59] But it should grow on the dice every year.
[29:01] It shouldn't be.
[29:03] We don't have any to draw over the weather though.
[29:06] So, but we do over the reservoirs, and yes, the cons and the springs, and okay, let's
[29:13] use them. You know, pray for it. It's just a matter of cost. No, it is a matter of cost and
[29:21] it's a matter of getting it in the plan so that we can spend that. The other question I have,
[29:26] do we have this reuse contemplated inside the plan? No. We build 50 new houses every week
[29:35] around here. Where are they getting their water from? Who's that? What's that? All these new houses
[29:42] is going to where they get in their water from. Some are getting them from well, some are
[29:47] getting from drinking water, just like, no out here is out town, you have to trade a share
[29:51] of water in to dig a well for your place. You're not letting them do that right now because
[29:56] they don't have the water. I don't know about the water.
[30:00] Well, I do, because I talk to people in charge of it, but I'll say what the confusion is about getting what water we get. No, there's no confusion. No, it's a matter of just getting it in. It's a matter of getting it in policy so that we can do it. And that's what we're doing. People being willing is going to be stepping on 10 people at this meeting. Well, welcome to every meeting that we have. I'm going to change that. Yeah. Just in getting back to the focus.
[30:29] How's that with the well? When would you want us to make a decision on this? Well, I think we probably want to make a decision no later than March.
[30:42] March gives us enough time that we could start working on it and start doing paperwork rolling, that kind of stuff, and have it in place.
[30:52] by March we should have a pretty good idea of what the winter is.
[30:57] Yeah, of what the winter is.
[30:59] There's just, for the water conservation plan,
[31:02] there's just one section there that says,
[31:06] there's some mutual benefit between the irrigation company and the city.
[31:11] Okay, it's not specific, it's kind of broad open.
[31:16] But that is, you know, the type of things that we're talking about
[31:19] when we say this mutual beneficial.
[31:22] And what we're, let's make sure we don't combine two
[31:27] separate issues.
[31:28] Wait, we had a talk, let me talk to him.
[31:30] Let's not combine two separate issues, right?
[31:33] We have a water conservation plan that we have to put in place.
[31:37] Justin is suggesting a piece of that plan to write this.
[31:41] And so what we're trying to do is the whole thing.
[31:45] And so yes, we need to have built into it
[31:48] that we have a trigger that says no later than March, we trigger this, but we need to
[31:53] get the entire conservation plan approved now.
[31:57] Yes, I know.
[31:58] Not tonight, but now, like, yeah, like now, and it can include that, and that's why I think
[32:04] we ought to make sure that it actually, at least contemplates the sewer use as a piece
[32:09] of that, because it also reduces our total obligation by the sewer use in watering, doesn't
[32:15] it?
[32:16] Well, because this is drinking water only, in order to be able to use the reels for drinking
[32:22] water.
[32:22] No, no, no.
[32:23] We're often.
[32:24] I'm saying the same thing we're talking about contemplating with the irrigation company
[32:28] is reduction of culinary water usage by using our, okay, if the city is using culinary water
[32:37] to water a ball filled instead of, we use the sewer use.
[32:41] Yes, that's what I mean.
[32:44] you know especially for a type three year or a type two either one and say
[32:51] you know the the city may extend that reuse line yes to those properties
[32:58] again it's all feasible it's just a matter of cost it's just money I just
[33:03] think we need to have that contemplated in the constant plan because it's
[33:07] another tool yes it's another tool just not a lot different than this one right
[33:12] And I mean, how many gallons are we generating?
[33:15] I mean, it's not 600 gallons, no.
[33:17] But it's another drop in the bucket.
[33:18] To your point, we need to get every drop we can.
[33:21] Yes.
[33:22] So I can add that in there into section 5.2,
[33:29] to add some additional stuff there.
[33:32] The next part is 5.3, the educational information.
[33:36] That just states what would be on the flyer that would go out.
[33:41] I don't know that I saw a whole lot on there that need to be changed, it's mostly, you know,
[33:48] be mindful of your water use as far as the educational stuff. Where we get down to the real
[33:56] mean potatoes is section 6. Level 1 is just a normal year and then level 2 means 75% of our supply
[34:07] or less. So that's me comparing what our sources did previously to what they are
[34:15] doing at that point in time, combining them all and saying, combined sources
[34:20] together are less than 75 percent of a normal year. That's what that's that
[34:27] triggers that level two. And so what do what do we want to do when we hit the
[34:35] level two. The existing one had in there a lot of main type statements, which means in order to
[34:46] do anything you have to convene a city council and say shall. Yes. And so do we want to incorporate
[34:54] certain things in there? I threw in a 50% emergency rate increases a placeholder. It doesn't have to be
[35:01] 50% but that'd be all over it rates not on base rates on over it rates but it
[35:09] could be whatever we want but have it built in so that you don't need to convene
[35:13] just it's always going to happen in July it's always when it's going to hit us
[35:17] that's always the busiest time nobody really wants to convene a special city
[35:23] council just to do an emergency rate increase. And so right now I've got a 50% emergency
[35:32] rate increase on the overage tiers and then at level 3 it's a hundred percent. It's a double
[35:40] because we're at 50%. That's where we're going to get really at level 3 we're going to be punitive.
[35:49] Yeah, it's going to be digging into activities inside of the home, not outside of the home.
[35:58] Is the level one, two, and three identified by the superintendent?
[36:06] Yes.
[36:07] Okay.
[36:08] But it still has to be a council move in the UK.
[36:12] Right.
[36:13] I can't do anything that isn't in there that automatically often.
[36:16] But would you let us know when we're at that level?
[36:19] Yes.
[36:20] I communicate it to you right now, and that's all it.
[36:23] Yeah, so if you, it depends on how you write this.
[36:26] That's what I say, and where it's made.
[36:28] If this triggers it, then as soon as he says we're into.
[36:32] Yeah, and then we decide.
[36:33] And I kind of like the idea that we decide
[36:35] what it's going to be, so that you just
[36:37] automatically choose what you don't have in it.
[36:39] Once it's identified, it just happens.
[36:41] Yeah, it just happens.
[36:42] I'm one of the caveats with that is a previous administration had created 50 over-inched here.
[36:52] I proposed to the council, but we reduced the number of over-inched here to 5 or 6.
[37:00] Right now, you know, I have not seen July's number, I've seen June's.
[37:04] There was about six or seven places that was up over 150,000 gallons a month.
[37:11] maybe 20, the total that was over 100. And so what I would propose is we go 6, 10 and then to 20
[37:21] and then 20 every after. Where we can even go 6 straight to 20 as an over-exterior. And then just 20 every
[37:31] after up to 100,000 and we stop at 100,000. Right now the over-exterior goes up to 500,000
[37:41] gallons which is going to be a catastrophic event. Even our highest users don't use 500,000 gallons
[37:48] a month. I don't see a need to have tears go that high. And when these things happen,
[37:56] can we has to manually go in and change those rates for in city out of city commercial industrial
[38:02] that's there's like 16 categories that water falls in so it's 16 times 50. That's that's a lot of
[38:10] opportunity for error when she's putting that stuff in and so one of the things I
[38:17] would like to do is see those rates retears reduce down to the number of
[38:23] this manageable five or six over it's here. So you'd still have 16 times five or six
[38:29] or could you get it down to just five or six and it's across the board. No the
[38:34] state mandates that we have all of our water categorized by residential,
[38:40] commercial, agricultural, and industrial and that's how we have to report back to
[38:46] the state and the only way to make that report work is to have Kimmy. So she's got
[38:51] four there and then she's got Insidian out of city for each one of those and then
[38:59] there's there's a couple of others that I don't see very often but they do
[39:03] exist. Now that makes sense. And so there it does end up to be a lot of places to go in and change
[39:12] those emergency rates for two months. And you're right, it's a potential for a lot of error.
[39:23] And so put some thought into what you guys think are appropriate locations for those
[39:28] overage tiers, Tammy was not in the office today so I wasn't able to get, you know,
[39:36] July, the July 15th August 15th numbers from her so that you'd have a rough idea. You know,
[39:45] when the rates came out 85% of town never went over 6,000 gallons a month on an average. That's
[39:52] where the 6,000 comes from is from the 85% saying that's what most of them do and 15%
[40:01] are generally over that.
[40:05] That can be adjusted as well but it does tie into the conservation
[40:12] contingency plan.
[40:16] So we're talking about thinking about this. I mean we're in the midst
[40:22] of it. What do we, what do we do? Well, because the one that we're talking about right now,
[40:27] I have to submit a new one. Yeah, right.
[40:29] That is the natural resources in December. Right.
[40:32] Your mother one, it's already in place. But we still have to, we still have to decide how to do it.
[40:37] Yeah, I mean, now in December. Yeah, maybe it's, you've got the existing ones,
[40:42] and you're in the middle of it. You can decide what to make an emergency,
[40:49] see over a rate increase happen, but you would have to have that on your agenda.
[40:55] I can't do that. Only the council can do that.
[40:59] Yes, so right now the plan says that a council may...
[41:04] Yeah, that's my point. So are we going to may it all the way until the end of your tank gets
[41:10] dry or is that a risk you're worried about?
[41:13] I'm not your average kind of person and you guys know that.
[41:16] I'm not afraid of the tanks going dry.
[41:21] I do not want to create a nanny state where we
[41:28] are trying to tell people how and where to use that water. They want to use it and
[41:34] pay the bill and empty the tanks. Let's learn the hard way. I'm okay with it.
[41:40] When it be better to tell them how to use it than just double the rate.
[41:46] People get very, very upset when you tell them how and where to use it.
[41:49] You get upset when you double the rate too and charge it for something you don't have.
[41:54] Well, just part of that responsibility, I don't care at all, I cut to a lot of them every
[41:59] day.
[41:59] Oh, I'm sure.
[42:02] But, we have to be responsible adults, and I can't expect myself to know the convenience
[42:09] store them and just keep buying stuff, knowing I'm going to have to pay the bill.
[42:17] That's what I'm saying.
[42:18] If you teach people about it, what they can do instead of just double the price.
[42:24] And that's the paragraph of the bill that they can go to the convenience store.
[42:30] The public education plan is up there.
[42:32] The 5.3 is the education plan.
[42:34] How's the public seeing that?
[42:35] Well, this is, once again, what I said, this is what we're trying to put in place.
[42:40] This is not what's currently in place.
[42:42] We need to put this in place.
[42:43] Why are we currently in place, Doc?
[42:44] Well, no.
[42:45] We agreed.
[42:46] That's why we're doing this.
[42:47] It didn't work.
[42:48] Yeah, that's why we're doing this.
[42:50] Let's not do the same next year.
[42:52] Well, in the difference.
[42:53] I mean, as far as saying, you're paying double for something you're not getting.
[42:58] I mean, you got to make sure.
[42:58] You're paying double for something you don't have.
[43:00] Well, no.
[43:01] Fairview City has not ran their wells dry.
[43:04] No, but an irrigation company is not fair. He says they're completely different houses dry. You're you're calling anyone or
[43:12] Shining irrigation. See, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, let's make sure and understand what we want to talk about with my colleague.
[43:16] Fairview City and Kotwood Fuseberry are not the same entity. I have no authority over Kotwood.
[43:22] Me and my wife use 800 gallons of water a month. Then you're set when you use the rest for our yard.
[43:29] Absolutely. Absolutely. No, up to 6,000. Do you use it every time?
[43:32] with no problem. With no problem. No overages. No overages. Yeah. But you'll have a higher
[43:38] water bill, obviously. If you go over six thousand. If you go over the minimum six thousand.
[43:43] But is that a responsible use? That's one of those things in the education, the ethical
[43:47] thing. But what I'm saying is, you said, you know, we're paying double for something we're
[43:51] not getting. I need you to, I need people to be clear which what? I mean, very few cities
[43:57] delivery in culinary water, right? And are they delivered compared to five years ago or ten years ago?
[44:03] Yeah, if the tap opens, the water is there. Cottonwood Gooseberry, the irrigation company, is not
[44:10] Fairby City. Well, the culinary, yeah, that's what you're talking about. That's this whole conservation
[44:16] plan is only culinary. Fairby City has no authority whatsoever over Cottonwood Gooseberry.
[44:25] Fairby
[44:26] six thousand. There was a study done. Yeah, there was a study done way back when and it had to do
[44:33] two things. It had to do with what your average home actually used and be in 2001, they put
[44:41] a new well up 100 South. And when they put that in, the engineers told them that they were going to
[44:47] get 400 gallons a minute out of that well. Currently, we are getting 45 gallons a minute out of that
[44:54] well. So that well did not produce anything near what it was expected.
[45:00] And so, in order to make what we have go further is saying, okay, we need to drop it down to six, because we, 8,000's, you know, on a good year, yeah, we can do that, but on a bad year we can. Well, but that's like when they put the irrigation system in, they told me you'll never see a meter put on this. What we need reason to, if you have one water share, that's an anger for water. There's no way you could use that up there. Yeah, I was curious. And that's why it was the word never.
[45:29] But yeah, and that's why when cottonwood do very has their meetings, they do fill the gym, right?
[45:36] Oh, yeah, and yeah, they do fill the gym. I think we're the city culinary wise is doing a very
[45:42] responsible job and I think that's what we're here for is to make sure that we have a better
[45:48] conservation plan going forward too, right? The water is there. Justin's not worried about the
[45:53] culinary tank going dry. It's not going to, right? You're gonna be able to turn your cap on and you're
[45:58] and get culinary water through this, but we do have an education, we have a conservation
[46:05] responsibility and an update to this plan that's very important.
[46:09] But as a shareholder of 316 shares of Cottonwood Newsbury ourselves, we have concerns too.
[46:16] We represented at that meeting at the Cottonwood Newsbury shareholder information meeting.
[46:22] And I mean, from what Brian said, I'm encouraged, they're doing feasibility studies, there's
[46:27] doing a few things, and I'm encouraged, but yeah, be very clear the difference between
[46:34] the two. What's cottonwood, Gooseberry, and what's Fairview City, and what our authority
[46:39] extends to, right? This conservation plan is going to be as it relates to turning your
[46:45] tap on at home. So you guys have nothing to do with the irrigation
[46:48] one. No, we have nothing to do. We're a shareholder, just like anybody else. I think we're trying
[46:55] be a good partner, which is why Justin's proposing this. This could really help cottonwood
[46:59] gooseberry, but there's a cost associated with it that we're going to have to figure
[47:03] out. But, I mean, there's an error, what was he talking about?
[47:08] What's that? That's not sold for spring, right? And the same thing, I'm saying sewer reuse
[47:14] is a direct reduction of culinary water use. So, our sewer plant, we did a sewer project
[47:20] that we reclaim the water in the sewer plant.
[47:23] It's pumped up above the cemetery into a tank up there
[47:25] and we can use it to water,
[47:28] we've got a hydrant up there, we've got a few things.
[47:30] It's a direct replacement of culinary water, right?
[47:33] So I think we're being very responsible
[47:37] with on the city side and the conservation
[47:40] and making these updates to the plan are good.
[47:43] So I think we're good.
[47:46] Can everybody needs to give review?
[47:48] Yeah, on the education part, I think the citizens of the city actually are doing a pretty
[47:53] good job educating themselves. I've driven the city numerous times and done an unofficial
[48:00] guess, and my guess is between 60 and 70 percent of the people in the city will let their
[48:06] law. Let's go dormant. Yeah. Well, I'm just dormant. Yeah. And I'm one of them. I'm just keeping
[48:20] So I think the message is getting out there, you know, be careful and be safe.
[48:26] And so that's extending the lack of the college area.
[48:29] It is.
[48:30] So what we need everybody to do is really look at this, look at the plans, look at the
[48:36] figures. Look at it and get back with Justin. Ask Justin questions. How do this one ready?
[48:43] Yeah. Do you want me to put it on the next month's agenda for the approval?
[48:49] Do you think we'll be ready for approval or one more review? I would say one more review.
[48:54] Just as you guys. Yeah. It takes a minute to go through it.
[48:58] And really your six is the one. I mean Justin can get everything else ready for us.
[49:03] Five all the way up through. I think is pretty his six is where
[49:06] the council really needs to focus because that's where your and I highly recommend it's
[49:12] shall or or the word that's the way it's right now not made so that it just triggers and
[49:25] what those thresholds should be you want it 50% rate increase 100% to 125 you know what because
[49:34] the whole point and purpose about it is not about the money in this plan. The point and purpose
[49:40] is it has to get people's attention to reduce the to reduce you know and that's an education
[49:47] process. I've talked to someone in the United talked about and they had a good conversation and
[49:53] they said yeah but if you do if you put that in place and jack the rate up then you're going to lose
[49:58] revenue. It's not revenue. It's not revenue. It's not revenue. We don't need
[50:03] accommodation. If you stop watering because it's too high, we're up. We don't give a crap about
[50:08] the road. Yeah. I mean like the fact that you're not using the water. We don't bring out the
[50:12] contingency plan if we have yes exactly. Yeah. Well it's clear that levels are set by what our
[50:19] normal supply is. Yeah. And now my what's used is by what the supply is. So please have your stuff
[50:27] to Justin. Are you going to email this draft to us? Yeah, I can email this draft to all of you.
[50:35] You've already got the existing link to leave. And this is good work, Justin. This will need to be
[50:43] approved prior to December 15th as my kind of date to have it to the division. I think we should
[50:49] approve that June October. Okay, so let's make sure we'll get it on a total
[50:56] approval. September. September. September review and October for approval.
[51:00] Summary. Of the aquatract stuff and then the final thing that I have, what do you
[51:06] want me to tell the K managers, financial managers? On, on our bond. Yeah,
[51:15] revenue. I think we've got that squared away. I think we've come up with that. Yes, I think we
[51:25] have an answer. So I'll get with you on it. I need to know how much our B&C road funds over
[51:31] the entire length of the bond is as well. Was there B&C road funds in that bond? No, but I asked if we
[51:41] we could have our B and C road fund revenue counted into it considering we replaced every
[51:46] road in town and that was part of the expenses cut and I have a preliminary yes.
[51:52] Okay.
[51:53] So I don't know if that gets us there so we reduced 60,000 a year already.
[51:58] Our number was what, 130, 130, 130, we've reduced 60K already.
[52:04] We can get a little bit here and there.
[52:06] But if our B&C road funds over the term divided back into it, if they'll accept that, then that means your B&C road funds will probably have to go to help pay some of that bond.
[52:20] Yeah, which is okay because we've got brand new roads for it.
[52:23] Yeah.
[52:25] But see, the thing is, we've never defaulted on the bond yet.
[52:28] No, and so we've talked about that.
[52:30] This is a bond government, and this has to do with investor confidence.
[52:34] Yeah, but what it has to do with it.
[52:35] And so that's why it makes sense.
[52:38] So B and C road funds is the last piece we need on that.
[52:41] And then we may have an employment situation that might have to be triggered too, but
[52:48] totally for that.
[52:50] Yes, a good thing I haven't fixed all the roads.
[52:54] Well, it's all in, it's in the paper only.
[52:58] Right.
[52:59] So a revenue bond just means we're collecting enough revenue in some fashion to service the debt.
[53:06] We've never defaulted on the debt.
[53:09] But they still, to his investor confidence question, they want to make sure there's money that comes in to be able to service the debt.
[53:18] We've never had a lay payment.
[53:22] Have any of you guys paid attention to the bond market?
[53:25] It's bad.
[53:25] It's bad right now.
[53:27] Investor confidence is terrible.
[53:29] When we refinanced those bonds, we went to an open market and not to a state or government
[53:36] agency.
[53:38] And so those bond covenants are what investor confidence is built on and if they don't
[53:46] have that, they will take legal action. Yeah. We're going to get it right. It'll be good.
[53:53] Okay. Perfect. Thank you, Justin. It's still. 24th of July celebration review. We could spend a
[54:02] lot of time on that, but we'll hit some high points on chief anything to report. No, less problems
[54:10] this year than I think the year before. Very good. Very good. Very well. Financially comfortable.
[54:16] Looking good. There's events that we had never made money on it. Yeah, I never knew what it sold out rodeo looked like until we hit over sold out the rodeo
[54:27] We'll probably want to at least look into having
[54:31] Ticketing for at least the you know, second night of rodeo. Yes online just like the Derby
[54:39] Online only with reserve seat. Yeah, there was it was sold out and then some standard only
[54:45] Well, there wasn't even a standard that night, if our insurers saw us that day.
[54:51] Don't forget to raise the prices.
[54:53] Yeah.
[54:54] Yeah, if our insurance saw us that day, it wouldn't be.
[54:57] Yeah, that was not good.
[54:58] We had people underneath the grade stamp booth there.
[55:02] Yeah.
[55:03] I know we did.
[55:04] Yeah, no, it's good.
[55:06] And then we do have money to put into improvements.
[55:11] I think we should, we'll talk about it.
[55:13] but the concessions bathroom slash ticketing,
[55:17] I think we need to have done before next year
[55:19] in that all possible,
[55:21] but we'll have to get some grant money to go with that.
[55:24] Jason, I know we've talked,
[55:27] we need, and Brian can even speak to this a little bit,
[55:29] we need to revamp the vendor stuff,
[55:32] so we will have a meeting on vendor stuff
[55:34] to make sure that we're properly taking care of vendors
[55:37] and doing that and updating those policies,
[55:41] because I do think we need to update the policies on the vendors.
[55:48] Nothing too
[55:49] dramatic, but I mean we need to have trailers that go in certain places that
[55:55] fit trailers and in and out and stuff like that and big shout out to the power
[55:59] guys. Thank you for your work on upgrading the power and also getting into the
[56:04] center line and all of that. So well big shout out to all the employees.
[56:10] It's a
[56:10] is just amazing. So, comments, questions, and concerns with the celebration?
[56:18] I mean, might want to include a couple of sites near the event, take it, that clarify that
[56:26] seats, that seats are allowed. Stadium seats? Yeah, that was a great issue on the
[56:32] You know, it is everything and people, even if you've asked them to take about, they are
[56:40] dealing with you.
[56:41] Yeah.
[56:42] And it's, unfortunately, the seats are wide enough now, they're not deep enough.
[56:46] So when we reached, we, when we did everything, there was no way to make them deeper that we
[56:51] changed the width.
[56:53] And so a stadium seat would be okay from a width perspective, but it's not from a narrow
[56:57] perspective.
[56:57] So, yeah, one hundred really good thing is put the section ABCD flip on the outside.
[57:06] Yeah, and the opening of where you walk up in, that would be good.
[57:10] I have 500, I just want the bottom row and that 500 people know where F is, you know, over and B.
[57:17] That's good because we could put them and just say B this way, C this way.
[57:21] Yeah, that's very good.
[57:23] up like that, really get rid of the congestion.
[57:26] And finish off the very few places in the handrails
[57:29] that the bees can still get in.
[57:31] That's about it.
[57:31] They were mostly fixed, but we had a few.
[57:34] We had a few.
[57:34] My grants and best of them.
[57:35] Oh, you're in the country.
[57:37] I think having some sort of map that we had a lot of people
[57:40] at the concession stand asking, how do I get to F?
[57:44] And then if cars are moving in, or you've got that,
[57:48] the grand trade moving in, then it's like, well, you walk all
[57:52] Well, and you don't even do that now because of the new way the rodeo stuff set up.
[57:57] Yeah, you can't get around to the other side, so you just have a lot of confusion with that people asking how to get there.
[58:02] Of course, a lot of them were like late and in a hurry and say, well, I'm sure it's sort of further back.
[58:06] Yeah, but that's good because we could have a sign that says F here and G here because otherwise,
[58:12] ABCDE will be covered by the entrances, so an F and a G sign pointing in the different directions should do that.
[58:19] One thing that helped last year, we didn't do it this year because we had some problems with the Wi-Fi
[58:25] reaching the ticket things over at that other game, but that people that are sitting in those sections
[58:34] took their tickets over there or the vendors go in. Oh yeah.
[58:38] We did that last year, but it kind of went weird because you didn't.
[58:42] And we fixed it this time, but we didn't end up using it. We just knew it. Yeah, so that's a good point too.
[58:46] So that if you say the the crowd if you say AB and F if we have a sign that's
[58:54] that are walking down says AB and F go here and then just even one of us out there
[58:58] is it you know yeah and you go back to printed programs yeah yeah well there's
[59:04] a reason the printed programs but we're working on that so the problem with the
[59:09] printed programs was we didn't know who would sign up for the derby till the day
[59:16] Yeah, they all have this whole scheme that for some reason they can't tell people they're
[59:22] signing up.
[59:23] So we don't know who the drivers are until drivers meet.
[59:26] We're not going to say it does a program on how I would do it.
[59:30] What's that?
[59:30] We're not going to say it does a program on how I would do it.
[59:34] Well, we at least have the cars and drivers online, so anyway, there's some things we're
[59:40] working on.
[59:41] We incentive the drivers to sign up earlier because it helps. So we'll see if that landed because that was good
[59:47] Basically today, we all heard the drivers
[59:51] No, it's good, okay
[1:00:00] It's time that if you're looking for a city councilman to volunteer to drive a car on the journey, it's on my bucket. Well, I like it because Kelly's out. He got his qualify. He probably, I mean, when you get a second call at the W-A-B-A, you get a year suspension.
[1:00:20] It's got to be called out for a driver's door hip. And that's OK. I've taken third because he got kicked out. I took a default second. Wow.
[1:00:29] I don't know, did you share something?
[1:00:31] Share what?
[1:00:32] I don't know, all that money made.
[1:00:34] You know, we donate our money.
[1:00:36] So our money went to the dog.
[1:00:39] Our money went to the police dog,
[1:00:41] and we were very happy for it.
[1:00:43] But, no, I will take that under advisement
[1:00:46] because we have something pretty fun planned, I think.
[1:00:48] Okay.
[1:00:49] So, yeah.
[1:00:51] My wife will go crazy, but that's okay.
[1:00:54] Hey, Bruce's go away.
[1:00:56] trophies last forever, but I didn't get a trophy last time, but I digress. Anything else?
[1:01:06] We do need to have a committee debrief that will get scheduled, but those are all very good
[1:01:12] suggestions. And we should have within the next couple of weeks final figures on everything we made,
[1:01:18] everything we spent all I kind of think. So whether we want to do that in a committee debrief or
[1:01:22] or actually council meeting, we can go over, you know,
[1:01:26] how these events did.
[1:01:27] Yeah, so let's put 24th of July financial review
[1:01:30] on the council.
[1:01:33] And then we'll invite the committee chairs
[1:01:35] to come to the council meeting.
[1:01:37] Yeah, we'll have a great guy,
[1:01:38] who you got, Cal.
[1:01:40] We'll have to get the next council meeting.
[1:01:42] Yeah, yeah.
[1:01:44] And what we'll do is just, the committee meeting
[1:01:47] will have after or before.
[1:01:49] So we'll invite the committee before.
[1:01:51] So they don't have to sit through the whole council maybe have been come at seven or six thirty.
[1:01:58] Yeah.
[1:01:59] Okay.
[1:02:01] Perfect.
[1:02:01] Thank you.
[1:02:02] Okay.
[1:02:03] Moving on to approval of ordinances and resolutions.
[1:02:05] We have a solar standards and permitting ordinance.
[1:02:12] Would either of you like to speak to it, or should we just move forward?
[1:02:22] I just wanted to, I forgot, I'm Greg, for every sea power, I forgot we're, we're
[1:02:27] just, we're, we're getting some estimates, bring a guy in to go over over three
[1:02:30] phase metering, make sure it's all wired right and working right. That's off the
[1:02:34] topic. Sorry. I just forgot. It's a good idea. I'm making it. But so yeah, this is
[1:02:40] ordinance. The Garrett and I we've noticed a lot of a lot of solar just appearing on our
[1:02:49] system out you know no burnout here in town even some by the shock that we didn't notice until
[1:02:56] they were up and so we kind of went through and studied what other city's had and went through what
[1:03:02] we wanted in there and Nathan printed it up so it was in our ordinance forms that have run on
[1:03:11] We think we need to get something in place because it's going to start to bite us, you know,
[1:03:17] like all these surprises and we have one out, I won't say who it is, but outside of town that
[1:03:27] we think is backfeeding us and they wanted, they insisted when they were building their home,
[1:03:31] they wanted an old dial meter and I said well for you know, because he's oil is too hard for you
[1:03:37] you guys to come out and read them.
[1:03:39] That what the issue is, I'm off.
[1:03:40] You want to pay us more money, you can,
[1:03:41] so I let them do it.
[1:03:43] And now we think he's back feeding us.
[1:03:46] So this has, they have to take a meter from us
[1:03:48] that we want and it has a county,
[1:03:52] does all the inspections and they're to permit fee.
[1:03:56] And then at the end, for us to go out and look at it,
[1:03:59] there's another fee.
[1:04:01] And it's not that, you know, I don't,
[1:04:03] I don't want the citizens to think we're against it,
[1:04:06] but because we have solar through UM, we have wind through UM, we have natural gas through UM,
[1:04:11] so it's just electrocuted by solar cells. Yeah, it's to cover our own benefit and control what size
[1:04:16] they're putting up. You know, we don't, we figure five KW for each home and when we hang transformers
[1:04:25] and stuff and when we start getting these big ones it burns the transformers up and then not only
[1:04:30] is it affect and the person with the solar but it's affecting all the neighbors without
[1:04:35] the solar and so we wanted to get something in place and that's what this is.
[1:04:43] How does this work with that patio solar model in the past?
[1:04:47] So I got some research on that. The patio solar has to be 1,500 watts.
[1:05:03] It has to be
[1:05:04] UL approved. It has to be portable. You can say plug it in, unplug it. So if it's not
[1:05:10] It's not portable. It doesn't pass and meet that state law requirement and it's a 1200 watt
[1:05:18] Basically, that's a hairdryer. Yeah, but the UL approved like nobody. I mean, they're not required for anybody to come and look at it
[1:05:26] Right, but I don't know yourself. I've had to put that to produce some sort of a standard
[1:05:30] The law does state that the city can inspect it the power company can go in and inspect it if they suspect that it's not it's yeah
[1:05:40] But we don't have to, they don't have to come and say, I'm going to do this.
[1:05:45] But if it's suspected, the power company has the right to go in and inspect it.
[1:05:52] And so we call the county and they said, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, at all, it doesn't
[1:05:58] call for it.
[1:05:59] It's not, you know, it's not, it's got to be a mobile, it's got to be a portable, yes, that's
[1:06:07] So if it's anything rooftop or anything on a permanent structure at all, whatever it is,
[1:06:13] it doesn't qualify as that 1,200 watt.
[1:06:18] So we can inspect or do whatever we want if it's on any sort of permanent structure.
[1:06:24] Okay, does this imply that this stuff does not hook up to the grid?
[1:06:30] Is that a standalone system?
[1:06:32] No, no.
[1:06:34] Yeah, just help me just with the science of it so that so word is problematic is when it's connected to the city. There's a
[1:06:43] person when when a back feed to the city and it's too big it yeah and that's just by nature the way it's
[1:06:50] installed. Yeah versus it's supposed to by law you know because we don't participate in that
[1:06:56] meeting. It shouldn't come onto our system. It should be isolated, but it depends on their inspection
[1:07:03] whether it's isolated or not. I know for a fact we had, I've seen a couple of them that were
[1:07:10] installed. They came through town, they sold the solar, it was great. They didn't follow the
[1:07:16] process and it wasn't isolated.
[1:07:20] It was back feeding through and they had to go through a process of
[1:07:23] Isolating it so that it could not come back through the meter and back into the system
[1:07:28] So that's what the inspection's really about is making sure that and they can do what they want on their side of the meter
[1:07:35] They can do what they want and they're meeting all their standard like through the county
[1:07:40] There's there's certain standards that this brings up
[1:07:42] So that's what we have something because a lot of time you'll go out and say like you know, we don't do net meter and we don't do this and then
[1:07:53] I don't want to label it, be end up with a big bite on your hands, and this tells us, you know, it has some
[1:08:01] Council backing that shows the city has an ordinance, we can say like this is the ordinance is what you have to do if you want to do that
[1:08:07] If not then you don't need her power
[1:08:09] The other one is the important one section 5 inspection and disconnection enforcement
[1:08:13] It gives them the authority to if it's found to be non-compliant with the ordinance operating without proper inspection or
[1:08:20] proposing a hazard to the municipal power bill can be disconnected from city power immediately.
[1:08:26] Just authorize this then.
[1:08:28] Yeah, to do so we have some so we have some backing they know that, you know, it's just
[1:08:33] not Garrett and I out there, you know, just a second we're open in the public hearing as soon
[1:08:38] as he's done because it does it turns into a big argument and debate out there where we
[1:08:44] don't have anything that's written down in policy.
[1:08:52] Well, and it keeps your neighbors how safe like you stated through the transformer because the transformer connects multiple homes if you're back feeding through you one person can affect a neighbor's home.
[1:09:03] This also applies to our power grid, not just Fairview City.
[1:09:09] Yes, so it'll be all of all of it's a yeah, you out Milburn out here up there. You high
[1:09:19] Any other questions before we go into public hearing
[1:09:24] hearing no questions
[1:09:26] We get a motion to move into the public hearing you just open. Okay. We're just gonna open the public hearing at 8.41
[1:09:35] Now do we have any public comment my question is why would you hook it to a city like
[1:09:42] Well, it shouldn't be hooked to the city line.
[1:09:45] It should be isolated on the home.
[1:09:47] It should be isolated on the home,
[1:09:48] but it isn't always done properly.
[1:09:52] If you generate more power,
[1:09:54] don't you sell it back to the power company?
[1:09:57] No, no, okay.
[1:09:59] So why would it be, it would be proper to be connected?
[1:10:03] If it's set up wrong, you know,
[1:10:04] if the solar system is hooked to your house,
[1:10:07] and your house is hooked to the city line,
[1:10:09] Then there can be some back feeders come further back into it if it's not isolated. So the power system should isolate the two kind of like a transfer switch in a way.
[1:10:18] I mean, I can't wait to transfer mine from the city line.
[1:10:22] What's that?
[1:10:22] Can you just disconnect from the city line?
[1:10:24] Most people's solar systems are power, you know, big enough to power the whole home completely, you know.
[1:10:30] They're using solar as a supplement, not as something that, you know, they're not going to operate something that's supplying their whole home 24 and 7.
[1:10:38] Well, they finished up like, see, me and my wife, I don't use a lot of time.
[1:10:43] You pay for it, but most people don't.
[1:10:47] Yeah, they could disconnect from the city.
[1:10:50] They could not get city power.
[1:10:52] It's like Nathan said, it's not going to...
[1:10:54] You have to have a pretty big system to run your home now.
[1:10:58] Battery backup.
[1:10:59] Battery's further when you don't have solar at nine.
[1:11:01] Yeah.
[1:11:01] To give you a zero.
[1:11:03] Okay.
[1:11:04] plus some people will probably keep it because, you know, there's a series of cloudy days you're going to be out of power,
[1:11:10] it's just so we defend it's a part of it.
[1:11:13] So we're out here.
[1:11:14] Reliable solar, it's very expensive.
[1:11:17] It can't be done, but it's very expensive.
[1:11:19] Because we have to use it for mountain tops and things like that.
[1:11:24] It can correct me if I'm not.
[1:11:25] But that means we basically, if someone was set up,
[1:11:28] where they could resell back to us.
[1:11:30] Yeah, fairview city does not participate in that it right now with the side VR
[1:11:36] It's not cost effective for us to invest in that meter
[1:11:42] We did we just read it all our meter
[1:11:46] For my years, which is not a good
[1:11:49] Absolutely, any other public comment?
[1:11:54] Right, I just like to thank fairview city just
[1:11:58] with the irrigation company, we've had a lot of breaks this year. A lot of time we can't
[1:12:04] determine whether it's yours or ours, but he's been over the top most of the time there
[1:12:09] are.
[1:12:12] He's helping us. And then also with the mapping of the GIS, he's done, he's allowed
[1:12:18] us to need six in time. All our pipelines and breaks and meters we're putting in are all going
[1:12:25] on your system because you are paying for that and we appreciate the health and
[1:12:32] the partnership on that. Absolutely. Thank you. He's invaluable. Oh yes. We know.
[1:12:40] We know. Now his head's going to be so big.
[1:12:44] You're going to have to throw it away. No, we're so public hearing. We can't do that in public hearing.
[1:12:49] Okay. Do we motion to go out of public hearing?
[1:12:54] You just call it.
[1:12:55] Oh, it's okay.
[1:12:56] Having no more public comment?
[1:12:57] No?
[1:12:58] Okay.
[1:12:59] We're going to close the public hearing at 8.44.
[1:13:05] The...
[1:13:05] You need to make a motion.
[1:13:07] We'll need to make a motion to approve resolution 2025.
[1:13:14] Excuse me.
[1:13:15] 2026-05.
[1:13:17] I think a motion to open the ordinance.
[1:13:18] We have a motion by Bob do we have a second a second by Kelly all in favor that motion passes you Nanimously
[1:13:27] Okay
[1:13:31] Mayors report. We kind of covered most everything the only thing I will report.
[1:13:38] I
[1:13:38] Have been asked to be on the drinking water board. It is made it through
[1:13:45] Most of it it does need to go through the legislature for approval
[1:13:49] So hopefully, I expect that that will be approved.
[1:13:55] That could be very helpful for us as we finish our drinking water project.
[1:14:02] Having representation on the drinking water board.
[1:14:05] The drinking water board has two elected officials at large that run municipal water systems.
[1:14:11] And there is vacancy right now.
[1:14:13] It's made up of nine people I think and two are elected officials that run me against
[1:14:19] full system.
[1:14:20] So it could be pretty good for one that we'll get through legislatively.
[1:14:24] I believe the interim session is ongoing right now.
[1:14:28] So it should happen now.
[1:14:31] Oh man.
[1:14:36] So you'll probably be on to their October.
[1:14:39] Yes.
[1:14:40] I will miss the August one, but I'll be on for October.
[1:14:45] Shannon Rasmussen with rural water is the one that put my name forward I don't have anything
[1:14:57] else to report.
[1:15:00] I will look for any questions or if no questions, a motion to approve vouchers.
[1:15:11] We have a motion by
[1:15:14] Charlene. Do we have a second? Still reviewing that? Let me just ask you one quick question
[1:15:20] And then if the entire of me asked me these kind of questions,
[1:15:24] but it was the case, but it was the case.
[1:15:26] What's happening?
[1:15:28] It was the case.
[1:15:30] I'm better in case you're worse over.
[1:15:32] No, I'm just a negative balance from one day to the next.
[1:15:37] Is that representative of our actual bank balance?
[1:15:42] I didn't think so, but I'm used to seeing
[1:15:44] that it's still the actual numbers.
[1:15:48] Is it still the minus 70 that's actually pseudo?
[1:15:55] So if you were actually to do a net 70, that would get you to what the balance is.
[1:16:02] I think it was 70 wasn't it, it was a 52.
[1:16:06] The number that it's the delta between what we're seeing and what's actually the balance.
[1:16:13] Oh, I see what you're saying.
[1:16:15] I mean, it's pretty dang up today.
[1:16:18] So if you go to the, I mean, what's funny is this is like,
[1:16:24] if you go to the very last page where it says ending balance
[1:16:27] and it has that amount, that is pretty, that is representative.
[1:16:33] I'd say quite representative of every single thing we have
[1:16:37] in just our checking account.
[1:16:39] If accounting for if every single invoice bond payment, all that kind of thing that we have a check
[1:16:45] rich in for was cashed immediately. And so, there is sometimes a bit of a delay because, and that can be
[1:16:53] the negative sometimes, especially in the beginning of the year, close to the negatives, because we need to
[1:16:59] drop from our PTIF or kind of our rainy days to countryside. And then it makes it up near the
[1:17:05] So that's not representative of our bank account.
[1:17:08] No, you know, it's just, it's, it is representative of our bank account, but you need to do some math thing.
[1:17:15] Any kind of account for everything that's outing to set.
[1:17:19] That hadn't been cashed yet.
[1:17:21] Well, yeah, it just says bank register.
[1:17:24] Yeah, just want to confirm that we're not in the hole.
[1:17:26] Never.
[1:17:28] I didn't think so.
[1:17:29] Yeah.
[1:17:29] But I need to be more comfortable there.
[1:17:32] I need to be worse than Casey, so there's like a 50K bond payment if you remember a few months back that is in the register that hasn't actually been debited.
[1:17:47] And so that's what creates it.
[1:17:52] Yeah, and keep in mind that this is just our checking account.
[1:17:56] This is not our like PTIF savings account or anything like that.
[1:17:59] And that is, I can give you the balances on this.
[1:18:04] No, I didn't, but yeah.
[1:18:09] So we have a motion, do we have a second?
[1:18:11] A second.
[1:18:11] Second, all in favor?
[1:18:13] Motion passes, you're now in the second.
[1:18:16] I'm motion weighted here.
[1:18:18] Thank you, Shirley.
[1:18:22] Yeah, for more information on that.
[1:18:24] That's right.
[1:18:54] It's a lot of work, and that's what I'm saying.
[1:19:05] I don't know what to say about it.
[1:19:13] It's hard, isn't it?
[1:19:14] It's good.