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Welcome everybody to the City of Farmers Branch study session for Tuesday, July 16th. We're going to be moving around a little bit in our line up for city session items this afternoon. But first off is citizen comment. And I will remind everybody that when I call your name, come up to the podium in the front, you'll have three minutes to speak. On the topic of your choosing, anyone wishing to speak, shall be courteous.

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and cordial, please refrain from any disparaging or inflammatory marks directed at any member

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of city staff, a board or a commission or the city council.

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First up is Nancy Holland,

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Nancy Holland, Price Trojan,

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William Kirby,

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Jason Ennis.

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Mayor, are you sure these are not for city council tonight?

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That's what I have for this.

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So Lynn Chafon,

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we can call them again later at council meeting and I'll do that.

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Okay, seeing that none of those people are here, and based on our special guests that are here this afternoon, I'm going to go first off to item C2, which is receiving update from

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atmosphere of synergy regarding future energy needs, the implementation of strategies in future direction.

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Good

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afternoon, Mayor Cunsell.

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Joaria Thoreen, Deputy City Manager, I have a representative from Edmunds here to

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present to us an update from the Edmunds.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council.

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Thank you for having us here tonight and allowing us the opportunity to give you an update

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on Edmunds Energy wrap around for the past year.

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Joining me this evening is our operations supervisor for the area Russell Curley and our operations

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manager for the area, Dustin Powell.

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and they're happy to answer any technical questions.

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I understand that you have a full agenda tonight,

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so I'm going to run through this,

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and y'all know where to find me,

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and if you have any questions,

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or you'd like to invite me back,

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I'm happy to come back for another session,

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and just do a deeper dive in what we're sharing with you this evening.

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So again, I'm Jan Rug,

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Mandra Public Affairs,

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and this is our Feeling Our Energy Future Report,

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and there will be some specifics that we'll discuss

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us as they applaud to farmers branch.

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As most of you are aware, we are the largest singular natural gas distribution company

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in the nation.

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What that means is that there are other companies that are dual fuels, which might be electric

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and natural gas, but we are natural gas only.

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We provide services in eight states, and sometimes when you think about it, it's pretty awesome

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to know that this is the footprint of your company and what we do.

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and we are daily providing service here in Farmer's Branch, as well as other cities in the Metroplex.

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So this is an overview of Atmos Energy as a corporation. Those are communities served,

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employees, our spend, investment in communities. And this is the thing that we'd like to really

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tout is our investment in our system, in our communities, because the things that you care about the

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most is how are we delivering natural gas reliably in

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farmer's branch and what is the safety associated with that.

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And these are the aspects that we want to talk about when

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we discuss what our company is doing.

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So this is an overview of numbers, and then we're going to

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talk specifically about farmer's branch.

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And when we talk about miles of pipeline, that seems

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like a lot, but as you know, it's a network.

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So this is how we deliver natural gas to customers that are

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commercial and residential.

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So I know that for the city, you have a sustainability committee

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and you're looking at very things as they impact the sustainability in your community

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and conservation. In 2017, Atmos Energy made a commitment to move into reducing our greenhouse

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emissions and that impacts various things but we're on target to be in line with what our

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commitment was by 2035.

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Some of the things that we also talk about

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is energy choice. As you will know, we're in an era of electrification.

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And we believe that we are part of the energy solution for our country, that it's not just one fuel. And so what we propose is that we keep a level of choice for customers and residents. So these are an example of the states that have enacted legislation that provides that choice for residents. And we're all about that in Texas. How do we have our choices?

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So the things that we drive every day home is our safety.

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Our safety in our communities, our safety for our employees, as well as safety in the

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construction projects that we do, safety drives every aspect of what we do.

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Okay, this is our operations facility in Plano.

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So our facility in Plano is the training facility for our entire corporation.

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If you're hired for a technical position for atmos energy, you will come to our training

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facility, you will receive hands-on training, you go back to the field, you implement

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that training, come back in, you get more training, but we have standardized training across

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our entire corporation.

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So if you're hired to be a service technician, you're working in Texas, there's an emergency

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or a disaster in another one of our eight states, we can send employees to those areas

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to provide support to the employees that are working those disasters.

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We have it other times, provided mutual aid to other companies as needed.

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But this takes place in Plano, and if y'all never come visit, we'd love to have you.

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Our safety and our first responders, so our stars are in the corner here.

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We provide support to police and fire because in an event of a natural gas emergency, they

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are first on scene.

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They provide for the safety of the community, the safety of our workers.

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And so during those times, you know, we rely very heavily on them.

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And giving back to the first responders is a very big initiative for us.

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We're happy to support whether it be in donations for safety equipment or training because we

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count on our firefighters to support the safety of our employees.

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So, one of the things that you hear about regularly, and I've interacted with Jeff a lot

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on this, you see the warnings that he sends out that says natural gas leak, notifications

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to avoid an area.

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One of the largest risks to our system is third-party damages.

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So this is Gus the Gover, and he's our safety ambassador, and his messaging is about calling

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811 before you dig, and you will see this notification on a lot of our advertisements

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and promotions that we do throughout the community.

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And if any of you are natural gas customers,

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he regularly drops in on your bill or on your online account.

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And this is Ms. Rosie, and she gives information

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about the safety of natural gas.

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And if you think you smell a leak,

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we have a lot of promotions that we do through the schools.

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And I don't know about you, but I remember when I was a child,

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we would have police, fire, health officials

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that we come to school and visit and provide a message for us, and we took it home.

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So the children are a very good vehicle for taking messaging home to their parents.

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And again, this is just another wraparound and touch point for us to provide our safety

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messaging.

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Okay, we're going to talk about the delivery of natural gas just for a moment.

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And this is an overview of, from the well head to what we call the burner tip.

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and this is what it looks like.

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Atmos Energy is not in the exploration or production business.

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We are in the delivery business.

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We have transportation assets in three states

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and then we have distribution again

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in the other eight states.

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So this is an overview of what that looks like,

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how the gas gets to your home.

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Okay, and this is homeowner safety

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and this is probably the bulk of our messaging to customers

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and I feel like y'all are probably impacted by a bit right now because we've had a project in

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Farmer's branch that feels like it's been going on for what two or three years. And so what we're

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replacing is the mains in the alleyways or in the street and then service lines to the customers

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homes. And from everything from the main to the meter is our responsibility and from the meter to the

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house is customer responsibility. But when we're making these improvements we're upgrading everything

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to the customer's home. So that's new meters, wireless meter reading. Also, any safety improvements

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that we're making to our infrastructure are taking place during this time.

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Okay, leak detection

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monitoring. You'll see a bit of this around here.

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I'm ahead just a little bit of where we'll be next, but we do leak surveys. And following

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a leak survey, we assess anything that's an indication of a leak, and it is graded. After

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it's graded, we schedule those repairs. Our goal is to eliminate all leaks, because

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that number one makes for the safety of the community. Secondly, it helps with the reduction

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of methane emissions and it improves our infrastructure when we make those repairs.

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So there it is, that's our AMLD, that's automated mobile leak detection device.

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We do have standard ways of detecting leaks, however this device, and you see the instrumentation

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on the top of the vehicle, it detects natural gas in parts per billion.

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So we're running surveys and probably what Jeff, every other week I'm sending you a

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notification because we do notify residents of this work, this vehicle runs at night, well,

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the barometric pressures are low, and sometimes it's concerning to residents if they see

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a vehicle drive and very slow either on the streets or in their alleyways.

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So we provide a notification that we'll be making these surveys.

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Following the surveys, we assess that information that we've gathered during that time.

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We go back, investigate, and that's how leaks are detected and repaired.

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And this is probably been one of our biggest successes in removing leaks from our system.

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Okay.

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Feeling safe and thriving communities.

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We have pillars.

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These are our giving pillars.

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And the things that we focus on is the future of our children.

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He rose first responders veterans and also our neighbors.

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members.

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And I really would like to share that, you know, in following those basic guidelines,

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Atmos Energy strongly supports Carrollton Farmers Branch ISD.

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We've had a program of donating book vending machines, and we are placing those in various

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schools in the ISD, and the principals use those as a reward for the students.

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So if the student is student of the week or student of the month, or has just even had a great

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accomplishment somewhere along their educational path. They get a token, and the token allows

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them to go to the book-winning machine and buy their own books. So, they have books in hand

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when they go home. We, again, support police and fire, and another one of our large partners

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is MetroCrest Services. We have been partnering with them for more than 20 years. We provide

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assistance at various levels. We've been a sponsor of the Food Bank. This year, we're a sponsor

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of the mobile food pantry and we're also a partner of with them with our sharing the

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warmth program. So we have a program that's called Sharing the Warmth. It is an opportunity

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for our rate payers, customers, to provide additional dollars onto the amount of their

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bill. Those dollars are partnered with other dollars provided by Atmos Energy and then redistributed

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in our communities. MetroCrest Services is a share of the warmth partner. What that means

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is that they get financial allocations from us and they can use those dollars to assist

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their clients with gas bills, new service, service line repairs and even appliance repairs

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if that's needed.

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Okay, feeling our energy future and this is our story. Is Atmos Energy

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is here to be part of our future.

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Natural gas is affordable, it's safe.

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There's, we have reporting that comes from the American Gas Association, that this,

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what these numbers are about, is the savings to homes that have a balance of natural gas

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and electricity and the savings that it provides over a period of a year.

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And we're kind of proud we've gotten good rankings from our customer service.

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And this year we were, our customer service group was ranked number one in this particular

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survey of customer satisfaction.

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Okay, smart energy choice again.

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How many customers are using natural gas, the savings and how that contributes overall

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because there are so many other aspects to what we do, you know, cost saving to families,

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businesses, and natural gas is here.

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we hope to stay. And this is, again, reflective of Texas.

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Okay. And we also feel economic growth.

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We know you'll get calls every day, businesses that are looking to relocate, farmers branch.

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We get those calls as well. And one of the questions is, can you get natural gas to this area?

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What does it take? We have a processing facility. We need high temperatures, etc. So we are here to

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to support your e...

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Economic growth.

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Okay. Any questions? And I've passed the document that is a break down for a

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former branch specific, and if you have any questions related to that, I'm happy to answer

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them or if you would like to, if you have a question because we're on time frame, if you

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would like to email City Manager and he can get those to me, I'll get you responses, but just

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just let me know how I can help and thank you for your time.

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Jan, thank you.

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Council, does anybody have any questions?

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Councilman Jackson?

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I have a question, Mayor.

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Thank you, Jan.

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So you talked about the automatic leak detection vehicles

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that drive it.

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Yes.

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Sensing leaks and you find them and you're going to address that.

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Does that miss have a program or a log of how old certain pipes are

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and a schedule for replacing those ahead of finding leaks?

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or is that mispurely reactive to detecting leaks?

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That would be an operations question.

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Russell, would you like to answer that question?

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Yeah, so.

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Can you come up just so we can record, yeah, please.

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Yes or so, we do have a risk model that we use

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to analyze our system.

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That's based off of historical data.

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Leaks that have come up in the past,

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pipe type is steel, bare steel, old poly.

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What items are gonna go into that risk factor

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and we have a calculation that basically

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spits out the high risk areas or higher risk.

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And that's what we typically allocate our capital dollars

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to tackle those areas first.

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So it's not totally reactive, but of course the car

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as it does come through at night, it's gonna

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No triage leaks and give us kind of an immediate need that we need to take care of and then we also have that risk model for future planning.

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Okay, yeah, that's what I was looking for.

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We have something similar for our water and sewer pipes and such and the schedule of those higher risk older, different materials, vulnerabilities, and so that's what I was looking for.

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Thank you.

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Anything else?

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Council, anyone have any questions?

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No, no.

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All right.

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Thank you very much, Shane.

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Next up is going to be item C9, receive a presentation regarding the Advanced Funding Agreement

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for the Reconfiguration of Value Lane.

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And while Shane is here, I will also announce that we have Susan Clements, who is the project

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manager for the I-35 project that's going on right now, and she's here also to help answer

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any questions that we might have. So, Shane, go ahead.

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I think Mayor and Council, I guess it's still afternoon, I didn't expect to be up here

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this early.

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So that's meaning the last month we initiated discussions where it was possible

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re-configuration of IV lane. Between den and drive and nestle drive, we discussed in advance

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on the agreement which we had applied through through COG which is being funded by text.

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So this location between den and drive and nestles right in the heart of the downtown

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Farm-based code. It's originally established in 2002. There's a revision in 2012. Another one in 2019,

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and then in 2021 he had died 35 corridor study, which consultants brought in, and it actually expanded

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the boundary of this PD86, which is the downtown Farm-based code. So for those unaware, what is the

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Farm-based code? It's an ordinance. It sets up land development regulations in the PD. So essential

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ordinance is a law. Nintendo is at some point time either through cities of

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proactive nature or through redevelopment. You're supposed to develop the streets

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and other things in accordance with the ordinance. But the goal of this was a

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downtown with different mix of uses. But with a form-based code the focus is not on

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usage of the buildings. It's actually the form of the structure of the buildings

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what they look like. And so if you read through the code between a regulating plan

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and the street type specs, the building of old standards, architectural

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You're looking for a discreet uniform facade, not separate individual buildings and be almost no parking up front that will be on street parking all the other parking would be in the rear of the buildings if it's developed according to the code.

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There will be all the ways.

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So separate individual buildings, just in front of the strip, retail center, former

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tire shop, maybe at the moment, with all the parking in the front, that is not the

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way.

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This is supposed to look in the future.

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So since today, since we're talking about a road, the street type is going to matter and

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so that is specified within the plan itself.

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During the I-35 quarter vision study, the residents show up and participate and provide

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Air desires, what do you want to see? . And the two biggest things they mentioned were safety and connectivity. And those. You all showed up with the act of transportation, public meeting the overwhelming feedback for those at that location and also the Polo Service is just connection and safety. So that line, nice with the out 34 study,

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so what did this recrification look like? Well, the purpose of it again is it meets the PD desires.

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I'm going to focus on, do the space for, provide pedestrian movements, a connection to

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call site 35 and within the downtown area.

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There are some benefits to road diets.

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Restated by John Hopkins, says 1100 different road diets just to see what the impacts for

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of narrowing lanes does it increase traffic crashes, does it reduce them?

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What they found is by narrowing lanes it does not increase the number of crashes, nor the

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risk of crashes. But it does show an annual frame of 30 to 35 miles per hour that actually

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reduces the number of crashes at nine intersections. It's a small positive there. But for us,

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when we're looking at this road, we're going to create this pedestrian movements, um, create

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un-street amenities, such as tree wells, and things like that, and call for code. How do we

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get there? And the only way to get there is by reconfiguring the road. You got to create

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space for these. And the way option we have to meet this is reducing lanes.

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Federal highway

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authority has an informational guide about road diets out there, and that is assessing

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basically four lanes to three lanes. So for this four lanes to typically a two lane road

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going one direction, two lanes coming the other, reducing time to three so one each direction

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with the turn lane in the middle. As long as the traffic count, the average daily traffic

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that's what ABT stands for is less than 23,000.

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You can go from four lanes to three.

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The sweet spot is 15,000 to 17,5,

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but so long as it's less than 23,

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you can go for four lanes to three

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based on the recommendation.

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That number will come up again here in a graph.

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Here are the dimensions of the street type.

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Just use C1, call for for farmer tranche.

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We're going to build it in accordance

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with the form-based code as presented

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in our limits is at the moment.

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One of the concerns we heard at the last meeting

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and since then is, you know, we got,

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What is I-35 look like now at value view with all the construction going on and what's going to look like in the future?

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The previous configuration was you had two lanes we had a discussion in both directions, which really kind of bottlenecked everybody up.

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The other challenges they were used to signal timing down to 20 seconds. So not many cars you get through and you reduce the number of lanes.

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The way out here is what is going to look like in the future. You know three through lanes,

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one shared right turn lane, both directions, did a key left turn, both directions.

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in a single time and goes back to 45 seconds,

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not the 20 seconds you have now.

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So you should, in those y'all that come westbound now,

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they've made it the three lanes.

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There's already an improvement, I think,

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for folks trying to get through

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because you have three lanes to get across that intersection,

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but you're still stuck the 22nd timing at the moment.

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So since the last meeting,

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I'm gonna try to think through, all right.

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If we reduce it down to four lanes,

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if we have any of the rows of promised ranch

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that may look like that,

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may have similar traffic volumes.

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My first thought was valid.

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It intersects as I-35s. We should have folks kind of doing the same traffic movements and it's already down to two lanes in each direction.

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It doesn't have the turning lane like value does but that was the closest thing I could come up with in my mind.

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So text that as a website for traffic counts. If you look closely at the picture you see it's the yellow little thumb text.

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That's where the traffic data was available.

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So a Valley branch, the railroad crossing right there, they took readings there, at the

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feeder road, there's one reading, B Street, and then right about Raheib Creek for the

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value of you. For Valwood, you have one of Valwood Denton, Valwood and Josie.

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So I click the

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data and I apologize, I'm left handed, so the data is probably in reverse order from what

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you all right. Many people look at my apologies. But one of the unique things with this for the

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The value of you is you're looking at 2014 to 2019.

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The traffic volume's actually gone down.

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You're an anomaly here in Farmer's Ranch.

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It's actually about a 5% reduction overall per year.

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The text.model for planning shows a 1.7 to 2% growth.

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So these contradict each other.

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So these numbers may not mean much to folks who try to think

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how else could we show this data?

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And so we reached out to Kimlee Horn

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within the past couple weeks and ask,

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Could you put the other simulation using this data here to show what that looks like in a moving model?

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So you're familiar with the situation looks like now. So I'm going to show you two simulations

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one for current data that you're seeing here for 2025. The other one is projecting 10 years in the future.

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And so we have the contradiction here. We have a 5% decrease in the data that we're seeing right here.

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But the planning model shows one point.

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So, what do we come up with? How do we predict this? We ended up going 1% increase. So, it's just a traditional network trend in terms of traffic. Not the decreasing trend we're seeing at the moment. They should have new data coming out shortly in the next year or so. So, we'll see where the actual data falls. At this point time, we'll show some similar couple of simulations. So, these simulations, I'm going to give you the assumptions before you watch it.

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They're based on a 15 minute peak period. So, look at the PM peak period.

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When is the traffic the highest and that's what can we use for the data?

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It's going to show two lanes, the direction, turning lanes still there.

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And the biggest challenge we had is trying to get the signal timing out.

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So you're going to see signals actually incorporate it as well.

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The first time we had is just free-flowing traffic, which was not realistic for the road.

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So this is sped up at five times normal speed.

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So 50-minute segment, this is a 30-minute video.

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We tried to show all the vehicle types.

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So you'll see some different lives. We also put it in our street parking. So we should look at where we have a storage capacity for this.

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And what's the conflict that someone pulls out?

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We look really close to there. We usually have a little faint.

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Motorcycles don't show up in this. It's really hard to see.

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We also have 18 wheelers going through as well. It's not one or two percent of the volume.

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So we try to show all traffic conditions and not just put cars.

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But this is just current numbers.

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I'll put that together.

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It's engineering firm out there.

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We use them for a couple of other projects.

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They have the staff to turn something around pretty quickly.

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One thing you're going to notice is there's no turning movements.

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The do turning movement should have to take vehicle counts at each intersection.

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See how many folks are turning on the road.

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I'm here turning off.

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Whether we're really going to put the traffic signals.

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So here's the train.

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There's a tiny little green signal in there for the train.

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It doesn't show a train coming through.

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So

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we're trying to get this as realistic as we could at the short time frame we had.

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So we're about halfway through, we continue to hold three minutes, it's your choice, but

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this is what it looks like for current conditions.

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They didn't include anything further to the west with the I-35.

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No, we're trying to just focus on the AFA area, so you're basically coming off the 35 and

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less side there.

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It's coming underneath 35, coming to Denton Drive first.

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So the same thing here, this is 2035, so again 1% growth, you've got a semi-arolling

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through there at the moment, although as everything else is kept the same, you've got the signal

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timing, the signal lights, the train,

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just a slight increase in terms of traffic, based on

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the data we had.

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So you'll see a little bit more queuing,

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so five points of the model you wouldn't

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necessarily queue across the railroad track like that, but they had a pre-limited time in terms

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you get this together and we want to make sure we got the major points which was the traffic

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volumes and the signals themselves.

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So this also same thing, three minute video covering

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15 minute period traffic.

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We all three minutes or we all can say okay and we can, I'm saying

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you said that railroad, the train activity is included in this model, we just can't see a train

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crossing. It's built into the lights and time cranes.

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We just went to the dark website, it shows when they should look at farmers' ranch

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station, vote directions, so what the time we should be for, based on those, okay.

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So we just looked at the arrival times, vote directions.

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We just be arrival in departure, and I'm not going to get it, but so I gave that to them

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off the website, and they came out and actually physically just timed the signal when I'm

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a Friday afternoon and sat there and counted how long vote directions that I'll, the two

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intersections.

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Okay.

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So that's again, simulation of what this data right here shows.

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So going back to the reconfiguration. Again, this contributes to the downtown vision. By knowing the roads, you're allowed people to get across through a quicker, you create space for more pedestrian movements, the tree wells. And we all talked about this picture last time. The point is it's uniform, and that's the intent of the form-based code. It didn't have to be this particular layout. The point is this is what the code shooting for. It's uniform in front there with discrete entrances into the shops.

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I made a mistake the last time I said on street parking would be on both sides it is only on the south side is planning staff

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Caught me out to the facts of my apologies for giving me bad information last time

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But it's only on street parking on the south side the north side is more focused on lighter sidewalk pedestrian movements

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So again with the AFAA is a 3.5 million dollar total project that covered oversight by the state

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So use your reversible amount, there's 1.3.19, and the total cost of the city is 1.131,142,

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to redo the road.

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Some other things you need to know before you all have a discussion was in the near future

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we will be installing new storm sewer and value.

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It needs to be upsized and handle the current drainage plus future proposed development out there.

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So I'll be going down value view, you will have a trench cut for the storm sewer.

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There's a water line and need to be replaced as my understanding based on LCRR just because of the pipe type we need to get that replaced

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So it'll also is a trench cut on belly view

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So we'll also be replaced but might say that'll be pipe bursting so a minimal impact on the street

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Just to provide a couple of potholes here and there, but

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That should not have the impact of the street

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Nevertheless, so our time staff is kind of kept this part of the value maintenance to kind of a minimum with the expectation

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We would redesign this and reconstruct it in the future

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So, sometime in the next few years, it will be rehabilitated and overlaid again.

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And so, at that point in time, we don't choose to walk away, which is a progative, just

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there will be a repaying the full cost for the road itself.

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Our base concern is staff levels.

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Right now, we have $9 million of funding tied up with COG and textile for the West Side

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our trail 2.2 to 2.6 for a dent drive and another one for a value of a

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mercer for a crosswalk on top of this three and just let the discloser by

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understanding going forward in your flood application if you turn back any

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money so in a step perspective that's our biggest concern is does it impact our

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funding in the future.

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Hopefully not if you all choose to go a different direction

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but that is you know from a step perspective that's what our work is can we

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continue to get funding for these projects, so at this point in time, I'll try to answer

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the question you may have for me, otherwise you can have discussion amongst yourselves

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and throughout what we do from here.

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Thanks, Shane.

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Obviously, this has been a topic of deep discussion.

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There's been a lot of information that's been put out.

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Some of it has not been totally correct.

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and but I invited a season to come specifically to address because it plays into all this.

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Comments had been made that the reduction in lanes is going to back up traffic.

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For such a long distance, it's going to create delays, et cetera, et cetera.

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And so would you come up and introduce yourself and then tell us maybe a quick overview of the I-35 project and how you see what was just presented, sort of working with what you all are doing.

445
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Absolutely. No, thank you for having me, Mayor. Thank you for having me, Council.

446
00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:56,890
Council, just want to touch a little bit right now you guys drive it every day.

447
00:33:57,010 --> 00:34:01,610
We've reduced capacity on Valley View and so it's two lanes in each direction, can you

448
00:34:01,610 --> 00:34:01,790
hear me?

449
00:34:02,290 --> 00:34:02,970
Introduce yourself.

450
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:03,850
Yes, I'm sorry.

451
00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:05,090
My name is Susan Clemens.

452
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,510
I'm the district engineer for tech thought.

453
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:11,530
In the Dallas district, we cover seven counties on the eastern side of the Metroplex, including

454
00:34:11,530 --> 00:34:12,130
Dallas County.

455
00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:18,390
So as you know, Valley View itself has been reduced to two lanes in each direction.

456
00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:21,510
and we've really eliminated the right turn lines.

457
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:24,550
The one thing I'll add, chain to your presentation,

458
00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:27,090
we've also reduced capacity on the front of droids.

459
00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:29,210
So the northbound and southbound front of droids

460
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:31,110
have been significantly reduced as well

461
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:33,530
before you had right turns and left turn lines.

462
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:36,270
Now we just have one lane, or two lanes.

463
00:34:37,150 --> 00:34:38,290
On the northbound front of droid,

464
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:39,990
two lanes on the southbound front of droid.

465
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:41,850
What's that, what that has done

466
00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:44,470
is really limited our intersection capacity.

467
00:34:44,890 --> 00:34:47,290
And so when we're really looking at it

468
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:53,090
as far as level of service and operations and the ultimate configuration, we're going

469
00:34:53,090 --> 00:34:56,170
to have three through lanes on valley view with turn lanes.

470
00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:59,970
The bigger key is we're also going to have turn lanes.

471
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:27,580
So, we're going to have a couple of comments on the front of the roads as well, and that's going to allow us to get a lot more vehicles through those signalized intersections than what you're seeing today. The main reason you're seeing such the big backup, not only is it the 22nd signal timing, but it's really we can't get very many cars through the intersection in that 20 seconds, because we're only feeding two lanes, if that makes sense. And so, when we're in the final configuration, and we've got turn lanes, and we can separate folks that are wanting to

472
00:35:27,580 --> 00:35:34,640
right turn that can yield on red if you so choose really that intersection capacity

473
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:41,760
for us is key in that traffic operations and so increasing the signal timing in 45 seconds

474
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,320
think about it in 20 seconds we're feeding two lanes you're barely getting any cars

475
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,680
through there 45 seconds and we're as wide as five lanes on the front of roads you're going

476
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,440
to get a lot more vehicles through there so I think you're going to see significant improvement

477
00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:01,260
in operations, at the front of road intersections, no matter what you choose to do as a council

478
00:36:01,260 --> 00:36:07,620
on ballot view itself, but to us, the key is, and you'll see it along the 35 schematic.

479
00:36:08,060 --> 00:36:12,240
There are some locations we only have two lane front of roads, but at each intersection,

480
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,220
we're widening out to the five lanes, and the main reason is the key is getting as many vehicles

481
00:36:18,220 --> 00:36:21,140
through that signal cycle as we possibly can.

482
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:23,740
And so we think you'll see a lot of improvement

483
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:26,460
regardless of what you choose to do with the value of you.

484
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:29,780
But bear with us, we've got a couple more years of construction.

485
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:32,400
There's really no other way to build it.

486
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,700
We've got a lot of improvements to build.

487
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:37,240
We've got to reduce capacity, but our goal

488
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,060
is to get in and out as fast as we can.

489
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,960
But here, to answer any more questions,

490
00:36:41,180 --> 00:36:42,720
we'll shame any way that I can help.

491
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:44,180
Council,

492
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,680
this is your time.

493
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,720
So, Councilman Roman. No questions. Councilman Reed.

494
00:36:55,240 --> 00:37:01,720
Yeah, I said a couple more years ago. For that intersection, is that what we're looking at for a total timeline?

495
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,800
That's correct. Early 2026 is when we're anticipated to be done.

496
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:13,600
The main reason is, I wish we could go and just build value view, but a lot of what we're doing is impacted by what we're doing on top.

497
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,440
And so we've got to build the main lanes as well.

498
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:17,620
And so we'll shift traffic back and forth.

499
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,720
I'm all right.

500
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,280
It's going to be painful, but once we're done,

501
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,440
it's going to be a lot better.

502
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,080
So if you can bear with us a couple more years.

503
00:37:23,620 --> 00:37:24,160
Well, I know.

504
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,020
I've been gone for a week and coming here today

505
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:31,660
that going westbound at I-35.

506
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,720
Now it's two lanes going straight through

507
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,640
and a right-turn lane.

508
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,220
And that made it even that little bit

509
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:39,640
a little bit easier.

510
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,360
So if you can imagine, eventually,

511
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:47,240
will have that capacity in every direction and so hopefully it will be a lot easier in every direction.

512
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,020
Okay. We're just asking questions on either if I have or anything.

513
00:37:53,300 --> 00:38:06,760
Yep. Okay. So with that in mind, what's the timeline for if we were to move forward with the reconfiguration? What's the timeline on that?

514
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,360
So next step for us to be the utility relocation. So we need to get the storms who are done, the water line replaced those kind of things.

515
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,920
There's no point doing your brand new road and tearing that thing up. So we're moving forward with those now.

516
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,020
We're going to make sure we get those done in out of the way and complete the design.

517
00:38:22,900 --> 00:38:26,020
So we're going to put the design on hold to see which direction councilman to go with this.

518
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,040
You're going to prove it or not.

519
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,980
Otherwise, we're just really not rehabilitating what's out there as it exists.

520
00:38:31,780 --> 00:38:36,060
So we've kind of put our engineer on hold waiting to see which direction we all want to go.

521
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:40,400
So if we decide we're going to move forward, as soon as you all know if that's the

522
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,380
question I want to go, we're trying to engineer there's to complete the design.

523
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,900
So we get that done and get a bid ready to go for once the utilities are completed.

524
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,080
I know you're looking for the exact timeline that I don't have, how long this is going to take.

525
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,740
I didn't prepare.

526
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,020
I wouldn't sure how this conversation can go tonight.

527
00:38:56,500 --> 00:38:56,620
Okay.

528
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:04,960
And by, I know we have to have some of the road to do some of the, in regards to the pipe

529
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,380
like replacement and stuff like that, would reconfiguration help us with the cost for that

530
00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:11,820
project?

531
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:13,600
No, because it's going to happen no matter what.

532
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,980
I mean, that's just a set distance and a size of pipe.

533
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,460
So we've got to up size a storm sewer to handle the flow currently in what's coming in the

534
00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:19,760
future.

535
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,700
And really for the water line, Ray Crackney for Rob, we're just switching the pipe type

536
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:30,020
way from, I think, believe it's galvanized to something that complies with LCRR.

537
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,960
So it's the pipe type that matters with that one.

538
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:42,260
Right. Well, I'm talking about like resurfacing or anything like that, is there any way that the two can, you know, if one piggybacks off the other, that there's a cost savings.

539
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:47,000
In this case, we just got to get the utilities done first. We don't want to put a brand new cut right through the brand new road.

540
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Right. But what I'm saying. So when putting the cut in concurrently, is that what you're asking?

541
00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,900
Well, that can concurrently, but yeah, kind of piggyback.

542
00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,880
Yeah, our plan right now is just to replace those you put it first. Oops. Sorry.

543
00:40:01,820 --> 00:40:29,580
Okay. And I just wanted to reiterate that total cost to the city is going to be approximately after all the money goes back and forth by 465,000. This case, it's 131,000, that number, you go back one side, that number at the bottom 131, 142 is our out of pocket expense for the concrete work. You're going to have to pay for the utility replacement. So it's going to happen regardless. The storm sewer and water,

544
00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:36,440
But for the concrete, if you use the AFA, 131,000 are out of pocket expense for the city.

545
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:43,600
So the difference between reimbursement, what's reimbursable to the city and the estimated cost?

546
00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:48,980
So information minimum, I'd talk about transportation development credits.

547
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:57,740
So part of the thing we use for those transportation development credits, which I'm not real dollars because you have policies to see is adopted in the past.

548
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:02,300
We can use those instead of finances to actually do provide part of our match.

549
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,840
There's a small portion to be broken up into two projects where we do have an actual cash match we're providing.

550
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,580
Plus we have to pay for some of the state oversight.

551
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,560
So although there's a delta there about 400,000 that would be our number 20% match normally.

552
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:24,140
Yes, we're providing all that money because of the policies we've adopted by applying for those TDCs or transportation development credits.

553
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,520
We can use those in low of cash.

554
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,060
Okay, so the-

555
00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:30,460
For this means, this is like the project.

556
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:32,360
Some reason we've seen this dollar now,

557
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,440
we'd have to find the dollars ourselves somewhere.

558
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:36,240
Does that make sense?

559
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:38,180
That's what-

560
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:38,920
Can you see that?

561
00:41:39,260 --> 00:41:41,000
Everything about that city I go find on your phone.

562
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:41,720
Right, got it.

563
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:42,060
It's okay.

564
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:42,920
Okay.

565
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,660
I know the overall plan is to build a-

566
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,160
The long term goal is to build like a downtown area

567
00:41:53,160 --> 00:42:02,880
that's that's that's walkable. What have we thought about what is going to happen with the existing

568
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,080
businesses that are on the road? You know if we're thinking long-term we've got the muffler shop,

569
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:14,780
we've got the garage, we've got the the little string all of those don't meet with that form-based code.

570
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,960
So the expectation is you would have picture here the new buildings with redevelopment would have

571
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,420
in the five front, all the park is going to be in the rear

572
00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:23,680
and not in the front of the building anymore.

573
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:27,800
So in terms of form-based code, those are not compatible

574
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,300
in terms of development standards.

575
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,640
So if you don't want this looked,

576
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,060
and you have the entire form-based code to dictate,

577
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,220
the buildings are all going to have this uniform look.

578
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:38,520
Okay, so I'd be on both sides of the road.

579
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:38,980
Yes, sir.

580
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,640
So those businesses would have to relocate.

581
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:42,300
Correct.

582
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,860
Parkings are only going to be on one side.

583
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:48,800
How many parking spots?

584
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,360
How many do you see in that there was not many just based on what our current conceptual

585
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,080
land is yes ideally I'd love to see more but that's kind of where it was drawn up based

586
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,440
on our conceptual nest we shared with Kimley here's what we got at the moment based

587
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:08,520
on roadways and other things okay and can we assume I hate to use that word but can we assume

588
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:15,680
that the right hand lane these directions is going to have bike lane capacity question

589
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:22,020
We have shareholders out there now and so since the speed is going to be dramatically reduced, I would assume we'd stay with the Cheryl versus a separate bike lane.

590
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:25,220
We only got so much space with the reconfiguration we could use.

591
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,120
We were thinking of making sure folks can get to the shops easily by walking.

592
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,200
I would expect we continue to share those to this particular location.

593
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:33,120
Find the Cheryl.

594
00:43:33,860 --> 00:43:38,800
So if you look down on value right now, there's an indicator with like a double Chevron, right, bicycle person below that.

595
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,960
Let me try it as you need to share Lane your respectful bikes that they're in this right bikes in time of the lane as much as you are

596
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:56,770
And then with this new configuration of the like you said the expectation would be park most likely parking to the to the rear of the

597
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:58,710
of those buildings

598
00:44:00,090 --> 00:44:01,530
We know that there's

599
00:44:02,350 --> 00:44:04,210
plans for a lot of

600
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:18,630
new buildings, especially on where Denton hits Valley view with the Starr Center's sports complex multifamily refurbishing of the multifamily behind the high house theater.

601
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:25,990
Those, the model that you showed the traffic increase, does that take all that into consideration?

602
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:30,850
You looked at what the projected growth would be for the area, based off type stats.

603
00:44:31,610 --> 00:44:35,290
So I said we couldn't do full blown traffic counts at every corner just because of the time

604
00:44:35,290 --> 00:44:37,070
we're going to take in two or three weeks just to collect that data.

605
00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:43,150
We didn't have two to three weeks to collect data and get the simulation done, but they had

606
00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:43,930
a projection next to it.

607
00:44:43,930 --> 00:44:45,590
There's those 1.7 to 2% growth.

608
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:50,990
So we're actually showing the negative decline in terms of traffic volume.

609
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:56,510
So, we're trying to build what's a fair assessment, what's a fair prediction for the future.

610
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:58,510
I mean, the consultant had the way to do that.

611
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:58,850
All right.

612
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:59,830
I want to show a negative.

613
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:12,760
What is actual realistic positive growth trend, and we sell it on one percent. Okay. We find a data we had. Because the goal is to get more traffic into that area to support these shops and

614
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:40,870
That's all I have right now, but

615
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:41,770
I mean, we'll come back.

616
00:45:41,830 --> 00:45:42,410
I have something back.

617
00:45:42,850 --> 00:45:43,630
Councilman Barrick.

618
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:46,430
Thank you both for your presentations.

619
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:51,810
So Shane, the businesses are there now.

620
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:52,490
Yes, sir.

621
00:45:52,830 --> 00:45:56,470
Would have no, we can't kick them out

622
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:58,170
or have them change their buildings

623
00:45:58,170 --> 00:45:59,410
or anything like that, can we?

624
00:45:59,670 --> 00:46:01,830
I'm gonna turn to the planning department.

625
00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:03,230
This is not my area expertise.

626
00:46:04,510 --> 00:46:04,670
Okay.

627
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:06,490
I think

628
00:46:08,730 --> 00:46:12,490
that they will have to redevelop along with the plan.

629
00:46:14,250 --> 00:46:17,730
So we can go and say you have to rebuild your building?

630
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:20,070
We can't force them because they have already been there.

631
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:23,470
But if they wanted to change anything as far as any of the front-end

632
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:26,550
or if they wanted to increase the growth because of the parking,

633
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:29,350
then we would have them have to change up to the current standards.

634
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:31,390
Okay, that was a question.

635
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:37,010
Regarding the, is it a, it's a federal grant that's paying for most of this?

636
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:37,690
Yes, sir.

637
00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:45,430
So, can you explain exactly the restrictions, strings they put that require this?

638
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:52,450
Did it say specifically you can only have this if you reduce lanes or was it a more general statement?

639
00:46:52,770 --> 00:46:58,190
No, our application, if you look at the funding agreement, it says you reduce lanes from this street to this street.

640
00:46:58,190 --> 00:47:03,990
So was that them saying that to us or y'all say that was our application but again that's based on this form-based code

641
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:10,450
This is what it's supposed to look like so trying to find money at city enough to spend to achieve the goal of this form-based code

642
00:47:10,450 --> 00:47:15,650
Okay, the application has made many years several years ago. I think it's late teens when we made the application

643
00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:22,490
Okay, but it is specified in the terminus project term and I didn't drive nestle drive going to 16s the four

644
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:24,690
Okay, because I guess been

645
00:47:27,070 --> 00:47:28,170
road diets been

646
00:47:29,710 --> 00:47:36,330
really negative here for several years and so it's concerning to me. In fact, I'm pretty

647
00:47:36,330 --> 00:47:42,910
sure both Councilman Jackson and the mayor in their newsletters years ago said that

648
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:49,210
they were both against road diets and so it's a little concerning that we as a city put

649
00:47:49,210 --> 00:47:58,350
that in an application for this money knowing what the thoughts were of the residents and even

650
00:47:58,350 --> 00:47:59,970
and some of the politicians in the city.

651
00:48:00,910 --> 00:48:03,450
Yes, so road dites have always been caused

652
00:48:03,450 --> 00:48:05,550
a strong response on both sides.

653
00:48:05,790 --> 00:48:07,690
The newsletters were not pretty, too,

654
00:48:07,770 --> 00:48:08,970
so I don't know what was in those or not

655
00:48:08,970 --> 00:48:10,350
in those that don't know to the state

656
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:12,070
for the most part what's in any newsletters,

657
00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:15,030
but the form-based code would be where council would have adopted

658
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:17,070
what the land use would be for the city

659
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:20,370
and what staff would go for based on that code

660
00:48:20,370 --> 00:48:22,610
to seek additional funding sources to bring forward.

661
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:25,630
Again, with the fact that it doesn't tie council's hands,

662
00:48:25,830 --> 00:48:27,730
council's thus to consider where they would like it or not

663
00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:35,830
And if the form-based code is a challenge and we need to maybe go back and look at the code and see does it need to be updated to reflect where the council would like us to be at this point in time.

664
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:40,370
Staff just following the guidance they have existing from council for projects and I do this quite often.

665
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:48,690
What are the adopted plans the city has and how can we go and find additional funding sources to lessen the impact on the budget and we have multiple plans.

666
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:53,810
We have a trail plan. We have a parks plan. We have multiple plans that we can use for those and a lot of times when you're looking for grant funding,

667
00:48:53,810 --> 00:48:58,330
They look to see that you have a strategy, a plan approach to utilize those funds as part

668
00:48:58,330 --> 00:48:59,430
of a larger perspective.

669
00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:03,590
And even road diets here, the one on Denton Drive was a better fit.

670
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:06,770
The council went forward with that when it fits what the area is looking for.

671
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:10,290
Still it's part of that plan, but maybe not in this location.

672
00:49:10,450 --> 00:49:14,030
So it's really up to the council if the final say, but staff's always going to go look at

673
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:15,230
the plans we have that are adopted.

674
00:49:15,790 --> 00:49:18,030
And we try and bring those back ever so often for council to review.

675
00:49:18,510 --> 00:49:23,090
But the former base code station area did call for more density on the front, more walkability

676
00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:26,910
and then parking in the back to move the traffic right, so as you drive the city you don't see a

677
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:31,070
sea of parked cars, you see the frontages and walkability where people are enjoying the shops,

678
00:49:31,450 --> 00:49:36,890
and eventually that causes the area to transform and become more of that downtown destination area.

679
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:41,190
We don't have a true downtown, but the center of commerce essentially where people will do their

680
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:45,550
leisure and recreational shopping in the city. So it's got the transportation components, it's got

681
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:49,590
the right density, it's got the right location, but that's why staff would go for it and these aren't

682
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:51,730
just apply for it now.

683
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:53,270
Usually these take quite a bit of time.

684
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:55,370
Shane, how long ago did you apply for this?

685
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:58,670
I think sustainability made the application

686
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:59,830
for public works at the time.

687
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,160
I think it was 2018 or 2019, as far as when the application was submitted. So long term. So it's not as quick as that. So it's, that's where you'd see the current situation in the city. Obviously come a long way since then. So it's how we are here today. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Shane. That's all council. Neil Richard. I want to clarify the comment that council member made the road diet that was rode out a few years ago.

688
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:35,280
I was vehemently against because that actually stretched all the way from marsh lane to 35.

689
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:42,440
There was far more of the city that was being reviewed for road diet back then than what

690
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,340
we're looking at now.

691
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,360
I was very much against that.

692
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,700
Back then, particularly the conversation was around people going east to west in our city.

693
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:52,760
Those are the folks that live in our city.

694
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,800
Folks going north and south, they're coming through our city.

695
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:01,540
We had speeding issues, traffic issues, or a lot of issues that road doubt was supposed

696
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:07,520
to address, but I didn't feel like anyone, well, the valley viewing road diet all the

697
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:12,140
way from the east side of the city to the west side of the city was going to add sidewalks

698
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:15,140
so that people could walk that entire distance.

699
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,880
I don't know anybody would be interested in walking from marsh lane to four corners.

700
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:22,360
There's just not anything at four corners to attract.

701
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,380
for traffic to walk that far in typical Texas weather.

702
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:30,440
So I was very much against it back then, you're correct.

703
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,060
Last year or two years ago, council approved this PD-86.

704
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:44,800
Part of the reason for that was to effectively for the first time

705
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,780
create a downtown area for farmer's branch.

706
00:51:46,940 --> 00:51:50,460
Four corners was a nice central location, but it wasn't downtown.

707
00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:56,420
town. We also were focused on connecting west side to the rest of the

708
00:51:56,420 --> 00:52:00,800
French branch because Mercer Crossing folks want to feel more connected. It's

709
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,740
downright dangerous to go under 35 today or even before the construction started

710
00:52:05,740 --> 00:52:09,980
was dangerous to get from one side of the city to the other side. So that

711
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:19,060
connectivity was very important and this overlay, this style of downtown urban

712
00:52:19,060 --> 00:52:28,340
shopping, retail, mixture, environment was approved. What was it last year? Was it two years ago?

713
00:52:31,540 --> 00:52:39,480
One's in more of that first tile over there. 2021. Okay. So, so it was a few years ago. That,

714
00:52:40,180 --> 00:52:46,260
that whole plan was intended to create the downtown area around Mustang Station. No.

715
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:56,620
So Shane, one of the simulations are pretty impressive while they're incorporating signal

716
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:58,020
timing for trains.

717
00:52:58,820 --> 00:53:03,440
The one thing they are missing is traffic coming in off of Dennis, Nestle, out of the

718
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,080
Rose Garden.

719
00:53:04,660 --> 00:53:09,640
A few of those side streets, which there's not a lot, it's also got traffic exiting under

720
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,100
those as well.

721
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:11,000
It's missing both directions.

722
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:11,280
Right.

723
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Right. Both directions. We've got a, you know, Dennis Lane, there's a school there. So every morning, every afternoon, that particular red light on value, and I can't stand. It takes forever to get through there.

724
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:39,940
And then, of course, on the weekends, you have a lot of sports events and such or good that create more traffic. But what I found more interesting than the simulations themselves was the average daily traffic

725
00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:50,300
from 2009 has actually gone down for all of these streets to 2019. Looks like

726
00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:54,160
the studies are whatever five years. Yeah, some more second new data from

727
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:54,520
textile.

728
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:07,940
So at B Street, that's ground zero for Mustang station. That one had the

729
00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:12,740
the most dramatic drop in traffic since 2009.

730
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,620
2019, Mustang Station was there under construction.

731
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,420
There was, what state was Mustang Station in 2019?

732
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,280
Where businesses up and running was the Cedar Creek Brewery

733
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,180
going was?

734
00:54:29,220 --> 00:54:30,980
Oh, I thought that didn't launch until 21.

735
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:32,620
Was it 21?

736
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:33,860
Okay.

737
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:34,480
20, right?

738
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,640
20, right? It launched great when COVID hit. Okay. Yeah, it's just coming off.

739
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,900
I believe it'll need to be project for me. So that's my world. I'm just trying to understand

740
00:54:45,900 --> 00:54:53,800
that intersection because again, that's that's Mustang station central there. Today, back

741
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,800
then, it might have been construction central. And that might have had some impact on the

742
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,300
Average daily traffic, but still even compared to what the study said, and if you go back a couple of sides to the study, who conducted that, that, uh, ADT study? Is that Kim Lee Horne as well? This is a paper from the federal highway authority. Okay. So federal highway authority says, says, uh, you can go from four to three lanes. If you're anything under 23,000 ADT, but a sweet spot is 15 to 17, right?

743
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:36,840
And so if we go back, we are, that's why I put that blue line in for 23,000

744
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:43,120
essential over traffic. We're at or below that sweet spot range. And so even

745
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:50,060
with what's projected to be a 1.7% increase in traffic, I'd venture to say

746
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:56,440
it's going to be higher than that. There's still a lot of capacity for a

747
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,860
three lane that review lane. So again, this is going from four lanes, two lanes

748
00:56:00,860 --> 00:56:05,160
in each direction to one lane each. One lane. Well, you got one each side and

749
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:11,820
a turn line. But that's, that's what the study says, a four to three. In this

750
00:56:11,820 --> 00:56:17,460
case, you go from six to four. Right. Okay. Yeah. So the study, the data is

751
00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:22,860
still showing, there's plenty of capacity for this. Right? Am I reading it

752
00:56:22,860 --> 00:56:23,300
correctly.

753
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,040
The

754
00:56:28,060 --> 00:56:37,680
majority of the feedback I've gotten from, you know, from residents that's

755
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:46,220
been negative, well, all of it. It doesn't have data. It's perceptions based on experience,

756
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:53,820
observations, people that drive these lanes every day. Today, it's a big open wound because

757
00:56:53,820 --> 00:57:01,220
there's a ton of construction there that causes daily frustrations. And Season just explained,

758
00:57:01,540 --> 00:57:04,360
you know, how that's going to be relieved quite a bit.

759
00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:09,020
But I think that this plan is a very

760
00:57:09,020 --> 00:57:17,220
forward-looking, you know, future-thinking, downtown area, enhanced, farmer's branch,

761
00:57:17,780 --> 00:57:27,460
of plan and all the work that prior councils went into to come up with this plan, I still

762
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:34,740
support. I think it's still a really good plan for that area. Again, categorically,

763
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:41,540
road diet across the city, I wouldn't support. There's too much north-south traffic that's

764
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:47,040
going to get bummed up and just cause our residents a lot ahead. But I think for the downtown

765
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,140
on crease of downtown purposes and I still support this.

766
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:52,700
Thank you.

767
00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:58,660
So, I'd just like to have, enter a couple of comments

768
00:57:58,660 --> 00:58:01,560
if it could and with a couple of questions also.

769
00:58:02,340 --> 00:58:10,400
So, is there any efficiency to be achieved in doing

770
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,880
the, this road project, if the council decides

771
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,440
to move forward with the City of Farmer Branch Road

772
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:23,660
project in conjunction with what's going on with TechStock and the I-35 project. Are there?

773
00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:30,080
When we set through the discussions with Michael Morris at the time, we looked at 35 of the

774
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:36,800
betterments. We had didn't drive in proposed and value view. You could separate them all out.

775
00:58:37,020 --> 00:58:40,700
That means once you know 35, then we would start on didn't drive, then after that and start on value,

776
00:58:40,700 --> 00:58:47,140
you should not your timeframe but add another 3 to 5 years on top of that for us to do our work.

777
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,840
The thought is let's just do them all once get them all over with and then

778
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:58,520
walk away. Leave this area alone leave it as it is but make it make it bad to do everything

779
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,420
at once and then be done with not string this out for the residents. So it would shorten the pain

780
00:59:03,420 --> 00:59:19,000
period to do it that way, okay. And again, the R outlay of $131,000 for this, we're basically

781
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:28,660
getting almost 27 times, a 27X ROI from the state and federal government to assist with

782
00:59:28,660 --> 00:59:29,200
this, correct?

783
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,140
I'm going to trust your mouth and I'll be a calculator, but I'm going to trust you.

784
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:33,540
Okay.

785
00:59:36,340 --> 00:59:36,740
So,

786
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:43,040
this plays into the comprehensive plan, correct?

787
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:48,400
That was presented to the city, just most recently.

788
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,920
Yes, my name is Daniel Cyril, I'm okay with anything you want to add, but yes, as my last thing is, speak loud.

789
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,520
I have to be Director of Planning, B.

790
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,860
Conference of Planning was adopted last year in corporate.

791
01:00:04,300 --> 01:00:29,980
And that was the document adopted in 2021, which does call for the second connectedly in this area. Do you want to clarify just one thing about the PDD state expansion that was mentioned? I35 was adopted in 2021. One of the recommendations I came out of that was to rezone PDD 6 and expanded the west side of 35. And that was approved in April 2023. So I think that's a good question.

792
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:31,380
Okay.

793
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:40,800
And within that was also the form based code. That was mentioned. Yes. Okay.

794
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:44,100
And

795
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:53,480
that plan, that comprehensive plan was put together based on many citizen input meetings

796
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,740
that were held, correct?

797
01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:58,360
It was about a year and a half process of public engagement.

798
01:00:59,060 --> 01:01:02,300
In the I-35 plan itself had public engagement process,

799
01:01:02,380 --> 01:01:03,340
that was mostly virtual.

800
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,420
And then after that, it went to planning and zoning

801
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:10,480
and then came to council.

802
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,220
Yes, okay.

803
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:17,260
So, Councilman Jackson said something very important

804
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:20,740
and I want to reiterate that because when the whole

805
01:01:20,740 --> 01:01:30,400
quote, road die in quote, idea came up, I was dead set against it. Now, unfortunately,

806
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:39,060
Mayor Dye who brought that term up and put it forth, didn't do himself any favors

807
01:01:39,060 --> 01:01:48,900
because he said at the time that he wanted to look at value, Josie Lane, web chapel, midway

808
01:01:48,900 --> 01:01:57,000
and spring valley. Well my own logic tells me that if you live in a city and

809
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,660
you have a growing population, you don't necessarily take lanes of traffic away.

810
01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:06,880
That equation doesn't seem to balance. And so that's why I was against it at

811
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,860
the time. But I served on a council with John Norwood, Mike Baumgarner,

812
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:21,180
Bronson-Blaxton, Crystal-Rentana, and they were all for the project and in some

813
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:28,960
form or fashion but not a total road diet of the city. So fast forward here we

814
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:36,680
are today. I'm not picking on eBay, but Councilman Roman has put out at least two

815
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:41,360
emails where he's blaming me for the road diet and saying the road diet is back

816
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:53,860
and that's I think one is not fair it's misleading and while he cited me in

817
01:02:53,860 --> 01:03:01,360
both of those I explain why I was on board with this plan for this very

818
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:07,920
specific and isolated area of our city because of what we were trying to do which

819
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:18,880
was to create a downtown area, and do that, taking advantage of some of this grant funding

820
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:19,800
that was available.

821
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,480
I realize that traffic is congested because of all of the construction

822
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:35,840
right now, but we have our text.represented who's telling us that the plan is not to build

823
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:43,560
more congestion, it's going to be to relieve and hopefully eliminate all of this congestion

824
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:51,380
when they're finished. And so, and that's what I've been reporting back to the council for

825
01:03:51,380 --> 01:03:57,740
the past year because don't I ask you almost every month that the mobility commission,

826
01:03:58,260 --> 01:04:01,020
coalition meetings, are we on schedule? How are we coming?

827
01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:08,800
every single month. Yes. Thank you. So I'm trying to stay on top of it and then report back if there's

828
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:15,840
anything unforeseen that's come up. You know, one of the things that the city has already done,

829
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:23,800
we are going to create, and we've already taken the steps to create additional foot traffic

830
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:32,940
in this area by virtue of one bringing in more restaurants at Mustang Station by number

831
01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:42,220
two by building these star's multi-sport complex. And people will be walking around the area

832
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:49,900
trying to find places to eat and relax when they're not over there. So there is going to be increased

833
01:04:49,900 --> 01:04:58,460
position activity in that area. And so we need, I believe, we need to have.

834
01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:30,370
Accessible walkability. Sidewalks that can accommodate folks. Sidewalks that will keep people safe, and perhaps slowing traffic down in this isolated area is not a bad thing. And yes, I did say that one of the goals was to slow traffic down. So we would get people to notice the businesses that we have here in farmers branch. They're not just flying by and

835
01:05:30,370 --> 01:05:38,330
And passing everything up, I think we invested to bring these businesses here and to help

836
01:05:38,330 --> 01:05:42,090
build this area with our partner western securities.

837
01:05:43,370 --> 01:05:49,770
Why don't we sort of finish that and make sure that those that are here and those that

838
01:05:49,770 --> 01:05:55,100
are to come become successful or remain successful.

839
01:05:55,100 --> 01:05:56,340
So,

840
01:06:02,730 --> 01:06:05,490
again, I'm

841
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:30,680
trying to think back on previous discussion, and I just, I don't know why some have voted no, and it's your prerogative, but I would like to know and understand because either you know something I don't or I'm hearing something that you're not hearing.

842
01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:41,560
And I know just as being, I've been a salesperson my whole life and so when I'm making a presentation my goal is to get you to yes.

843
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:48,180
And if I haven't done that then I haven't communicated my message effectively or efficiently.

844
01:06:49,500 --> 01:07:00,460
And so I'd like to know what is it that either you all understand that's different from what I'm hearing.

845
01:07:00,460 --> 01:07:04,180
just so we can try to get on the same page.

846
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:07,840
Roger, you didn't speak.

847
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:13,700
I wanted to hear everybody else because I've been thinking a lot about this.

848
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:20,880
And I do have a question about the form-based code. Does the form-based code dictate

849
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:26,840
or heavily rely or in any way on a road diet or narrowing of roads or streets?

850
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,880
So the one-based code has a

851
01:07:32,950 --> 01:07:37,530
valid view. The idea is when any site along that roadway

852
01:07:37,530 --> 01:07:43,650
would develop, they go into that street section as close as possible. The valid view is such

853
01:07:43,650 --> 01:07:47,590
a large road that, you know, we recently had the thick of all the development that we

854
01:07:47,590 --> 01:07:51,830
know valid view. We did not have the narrow road to two lanes in front of that site. It's

855
01:07:51,830 --> 01:07:57,710
not feasible. It's not required from a form-based code perspective. It is required.

856
01:08:14,530 --> 01:08:22,770
And then, with respect to the comprehensive plan I've been hearing multiple times, we spent a lot of time and effort on that.

857
01:08:22,770 --> 01:08:29,110
That is it, it's my understanding is that a guideline or is that an ordinance?

858
01:08:29,410 --> 01:08:33,770
The comprehensive plan is more of a guideline, pdf6 is an ordinance.

859
01:08:35,090 --> 01:08:46,290
So the comprehensive plan is more of a guideline, so and I'm hearing comments that were this

860
01:08:46,290 --> 01:08:53,840
This would hopefully eliminate traffic congestion once it's completed.

861
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:00,880
But at the same time, I'm hearing that we're expecting increases in population, increases

862
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,680
in apartments, more restaurants, the Star Center.

863
01:09:05,220 --> 01:09:09,560
It just seems to me there's going to be more activity overall.

864
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:19,520
And so my thoughts are, I was okay, and I like the idea of the Dennis Drive sort of

865
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:23,940
road diet perspective, and I was hoping we could see how that turns out, almost as if

866
01:09:23,940 --> 01:09:26,080
like a trial basis to see how that turns out.

867
01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:33,380
I'm not real comfortable with a major thoroughfare through our city such as Valley View, reducing

868
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:40,740
that on the hope of eliminating traffic congestion, given the apartments that are going to be put

869
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:47,180
up right in that area right off there, just don't see how that traffic reduction would

870
01:09:47,180 --> 01:09:49,820
occur with the increased population in the apartment.

871
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:54,720
So I don't know right now, I'm not really on board with this project right now, so in this

872
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,060
particular location, that's my thoughts.

873
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:58,320
Thank you.

874
01:10:00,110 --> 01:10:30,050
I want to go back, revisit something that the mayor said in regards to the the starry center, the sports complex, the multi-families, all that. One of our goals here, well, specifically, was to bring more businesses to the downtown area. And if it doesn't have that walkability, you know, if someone, um, is that, you know, you're with the kids.

875
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:34,130
at the sports center. They're in a tournament or whatever. You get time off between games.

876
01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:38,550
You want to go grab something to eat. You want it? Whatever the case may be. If you don't have

877
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:45,750
the walkability or the stores there, the shops there to go visit, you're going to jump in your car,

878
01:10:46,150 --> 01:10:50,650
you're going to drive someplace and go elsewhere. Maybe it's everything. Maybe it's someplace else.

879
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:59,430
If you have, if you've set an environment that is attractive to bring more businesses

880
01:10:59,430 --> 01:11:05,530
in more shops, in a breakfast place, whatever it's going to be, a deli.

881
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:12,590
You're going to get those businesses there.

882
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:17,410
A lot of the feedback I got from folks, residents.

883
01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:24,590
Number one was making it difficult to get under I-35.

884
01:11:25,130 --> 01:11:27,410
Well, the problem is going to be resolved.

885
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:33,470
So, that's not something that's going to sever the west side from the east side.

886
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:45,760
I actually got a few different emails with people who were talking, they wanted the increase

887
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:52,780
walk-up, walk-up, walk-ability, specifically stating they had an experience going, they were

888
01:11:52,780 --> 01:11:58,840
over at, I think it was Roots, they were going to the Firehouse Theater afterwards.

889
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,660
And they're like, we're taking our lives in our hands to cross those roads to get over

890
01:12:04,660 --> 01:12:04,880
there.

891
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:10,860
So if we want to draw people to that area and we're not looking just to draw people to

892
01:12:10,860 --> 01:12:17,560
Mustang Station, we're looking to build businesses up and down that road, even west of I-35,

893
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:30,960
to draw that in, you know, build a tax base, you know, people want more, you know, things

894
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:31,420
drawn there.

895
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:39,770
It's, if you don't make it conducive to those businesses, they're not going to come

896
01:12:40,350 --> 01:12:47,030
and you're not going to have that environment, that atmosphere, there's one other point

897
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:47,330
ahead.

898
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:48,190
Oh,

899
01:12:51,860 --> 01:12:56,840
and the thing is with the complexes, the apartments, it's not like all these people

900
01:12:56,840 --> 01:13:01,740
are going to be jumping in their cars at the same exact time and driving on the roads.

901
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:09,700
You might increase flow a little bit, but it's not going to be as massive as people

902
01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:11,480
picture it.

903
01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:17,100
Well, the other thing, the feedback I got was, well, if it's more difficult for me to get

904
01:13:17,100 --> 01:13:23,300
to the, uh, talking about west, uh, west side folks over to the east side. Well, I'm just

905
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,680
going to go to Irving. Well, if you don't have the businesses and the shops, you know,

906
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:32,800
we're going to go to four corners and go to big lots. Um, what, what is the draw to come

907
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:40,770
into that area? You know, yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head. Uh,

908
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:44,400
we have to give

909
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,600
people a reason to come to deeper into the city.

910
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:53,040
Joseph and Valley View, being referred to as the fourth

911
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,740
corners area, is deeper into the city.

912
01:13:55,460 --> 01:14:03,200
But when you don't have the shopping that people expect or

913
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:10,880
used to, and there's no reason, when you don't have the housing

914
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:20,000
around it, which would support the new investment in the area, that presents a problem, you

915
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:20,140
know.

916
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:26,840
And so, that's why all of this plays together, the proposed townhomes that would go in

917
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:35,820
there at Josie and Rohyd Creek, it's not just one little area, it all plays together, it's

918
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:43,400
so interconnected and that's where the council really needs to step up and have a vision

919
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:49,760
for what they want for this city for moving it forward understand that there's some

920
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,440
people who live here don't want anything to change I've heard it loud and clear.

921
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,400
They want the city to be the same as 1968.

922
01:14:58,220 --> 01:14:59,660
The problem with that is

923
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,380
Is, if your city doesn't grow, it's going to die. And much of this investment, whether it be from tax

924
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:15,220
dot, or our own investment from our taxpayers, will be for not.

925
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,460
So that's part of your

926
01:15:20,460 --> 01:15:24,920
responsibilities. Council person is to help move the city forward, positive direction.

927
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,140
that doesn't mean selling out the city.

928
01:15:28,660 --> 01:15:32,180
It's managed growth, yes sir.

929
01:15:32,340 --> 01:15:33,900
I have another question for Shane.

930
01:15:34,540 --> 01:15:36,060
Shane, can you go back a couple of sides

931
01:15:36,060 --> 01:15:39,020
to the valley of Elaine reconfigured that one right there?

932
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,640
The second tile benefits, improved safety, reduced speed,

933
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,000
better pedestrian experience.

934
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,020
Was that as a result of the study?

935
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,820
Yes, so John's Hopkins did a study recently

936
01:15:49,820 --> 01:15:51,820
about looking at multiple.

937
01:15:52,060 --> 01:15:53,740
He has 1100 different road diets.

938
01:15:53,740 --> 01:15:58,420
And again, if that narrow speed range of 30 to 35 miles per hour, they did say by reducing

939
01:15:58,420 --> 01:16:04,120
lanes, which is if it comes out the road diet, we see reduced traffic accidents and not

940
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:05,220
intersections.

941
01:16:05,860 --> 01:16:06,060
Okay.

942
01:16:06,540 --> 01:16:06,700
All right.

943
01:16:07,060 --> 01:16:08,980
Is that one just our hope or?

944
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:09,620
No.

945
01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:18,120
This is proven by studies of people that study this kind of stuff and so I

946
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:21,840
hope this passes

947
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:28,080
is because the work that's been done to plan this area and it didn't start with this

948
01:16:28,820 --> 01:16:34,300
particular template. It was a much different template many years ago and it's evolved

949
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:44,980
into what we have today and all of that is based on data and studies, simulations like

950
01:16:44,980 --> 01:16:54,620
we saw tonight. And I've heard zero data from anyone that says this is going to be causing

951
01:16:54,620 --> 01:17:00,080
more traffic and more problems and speeding is going to be dangerous. I've seen no data

952
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,240
that supports that theory.

953
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:10,460
So if you're opposing this, I'm asking you to please provide the data

954
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:17,000
It says that this is going to be the opposite of what the data says it's going to be up here.

955
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,760
I have something to share on the data.

956
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:43,760
I think the study you're talking about is that one titled a national investigation on the impacts of lane width and traffic safety.

957
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:46,960
So I've read through that study.

958
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:55,800
And one of the things that I did find interesting was the extrapolation that you're creating from that study and applying it to farmer's branch.

959
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:12,600
When we look at the data, the data is based off of information that was collected among I think it's seven different cities across the country and those include Dallas, New York City, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, Miami, Denver, and Washington, D.C.

960
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:24,220
None of those cities they think are comparable to farmers branch. And so I think when we look at the data, it's difficult to interpret that and be able to speculate as to its applicability to a city that's a suburban area.

961
01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:31,020
They all have suburbs that are very similar to but the study did not look at the suburbs

962
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:35,760
They don't know that specifically at those areas. We don't know. I do know because I read the study

963
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:43,520
And one of the other things that I keep hearing is capacity is we look at the data that you've pulled from

964
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:49,260
Remind me of the authority that does that. It was a text that now there was another one the traffic

965
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,540
I used all the as presented appears from text on okay

966
01:18:53,700 --> 01:19:02,060
So as we're talking about the capacity, I think we're equivocating the word capacity to no traffic

967
01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:09,820
jam just because we have capacity to have 5,000 vehicles doesn't mean that we can have 5,000

968
01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:16,000
vehicles and not encounter inconveniences to travel throughout the city. So I just want to

969
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,420
clarify that because it sounded like we were saying as long as we're within that capacity,

970
01:19:20,420 --> 01:19:22,160
we're not going to have any traffic issues,

971
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:24,080
but I don't necessarily think that that's true.

972
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,240
And my experience with that is when the Dart

973
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,680
signals malfunction, it doesn't matter what we have,

974
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:30,700
it's built up there.

975
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,120
That's why we, I mean,

976
01:19:35,940 --> 01:19:36,680
it depends

977
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,160
on what your level of comfort is.

978
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:39,400
If you want to get through, you don't

979
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,600
wait more and more on light cycle, that's our mess field.

980
01:19:42,780 --> 01:19:44,520
That's your expectation, and we got to change a lot of roads.

981
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,080
We've got to make sure everything matches that your vision.

982
01:19:47,620 --> 01:19:49,340
We need to be conveyed that information.

983
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,800
But it's up to you all to decide what is except the level, we can tell you what we think

984
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,220
it is.

985
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:59,140
In this case, we're discussing things like this, what is my comfort level, what do I want?

986
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:59,980
My experience to be...

987
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,800
I'm through farmers branch. I don't want to wait more than one light cycle to all staff. I make sure you're planning for accordingly going forward. And I think for me, I thought it was acceptable how it was before. And then, of course, the construction started and I get that things are going to happen throughout that process, but I had no issues with it as it was before. And then the other thing is I look at the simulation and I'm sorry, maybe I'm missing something. I didn't really see a really significant difference when I looked at both of them. And one of the questions that I had was particularly about the data.

988
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:34,920
and what assumptions for use, part of what it is that I do for a living is create financial

989
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,540
plans in multiple different iterations to stress test someone's viability and they're

990
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:41,100
pursuing their financial independence.

991
01:20:41,940 --> 01:20:47,120
And one of the issues that I encounter sometimes when creating simulations is what assumptions

992
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,600
are being used to produce that.

993
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:51,600
Any type of model, let's put you on a garbage and garbage out, right?

994
01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:58,200
And so I understand that you have some assumptions in place that are fairly general, but there

995
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:03,860
There aren't any, you didn't have the time to put together and examine the very specific

996
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:06,320
nuanced situations of farmer's branch.

997
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:12,440
How many cars do we anticipate in the apartment complex that's coming on Denton Drive?

998
01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:15,840
How much traffic do we anticipate coming from the multi-sports complex?

999
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,840
How many apartments and how many vehicles are going to be attributed to other types of multi-family

1000
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,340
development that's not just happening in that immediate area but also on the western portion

1001
01:21:25,340 --> 01:21:25,940
of the city?

1002
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:29,340
And there's also other uncertain factors that we're not accounting for.

1003
01:21:29,780 --> 01:21:39,300
What happens when this council is done and there's another council that comes and they have other grant ideas to bring in either apartments or big attractions that draw people to the city.

1004
01:21:39,420 --> 01:21:44,080
There's other uncertain factors that we're not accounting for that also give me concern.

1005
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:50,440
So as I'm looking at the data, I have a big problem with the reliability of it is that's kind of where I'm at.

1006
01:21:50,440 --> 01:21:53,080
And I get that you're selling a point.

1007
01:21:54,460 --> 01:21:57,860
I've worked at financial planning enough to know when I'm being sold something.

1008
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:03,780
And I listen very carefully and very analytically to the information that's being presented.

1009
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:05,720
And I just, that's my thing.

1010
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:11,860
I have issues with the reliability of the information that's being presented to be able to give me

1011
01:22:11,860 --> 01:22:15,400
a great deal of confidence in knowing that what you're presenting and what you're saying

1012
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,280
is going to be with a very high likelihood happening.

1013
01:22:19,480 --> 01:22:23,200
I'm going to do traffic counts if we put those little strips across the road and mainly

1014
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,520
count how many vehicles, how many axles drive over that.

1015
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:29,100
So those traffic count data is collected by tech stuff.

1016
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,620
And yeah, one of the things we don't have, which you just brought up, Councilman Roman,

1017
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:35,680
training movements.

1018
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,200
That applies to the apartments too, when they come out of the apartment, which we're really

1019
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:39,560
going to go.

1020
01:22:40,580 --> 01:22:42,680
Yeah, I can make that projection too, to have this discussion.

1021
01:22:43,180 --> 01:22:46,580
Are they going to go southbound and Denton, maybe northbound and Denton, maybe go to Denton,

1022
01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:53,460
go down value view and get a 935 all turning movements. That is a detailed analysis. You are

1023
01:22:53,460 --> 01:22:57,640
absolutely correct. But I'll tell you this is publicly available. This is what all cities

1024
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:02,060
use to build their bottles based off of is the text.data. They don't have their own software

1025
01:23:02,060 --> 01:23:07,680
and do their own counts. We hired a specific engineering firm to not just have

1026
01:23:08,900 --> 01:23:14,340
general data that's available to the public but to have a more very specific

1027
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:21,780
simulation of what the impacts are to our community to farmers branch to that specific

1028
01:23:21,780 --> 01:23:22,280
area.

1029
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,220
I wanted to use something everybody had available and it was readily available.

1030
01:23:25,580 --> 01:23:27,540
So we agreed on this data set from TechStyle.

1031
01:23:27,860 --> 01:23:31,120
Our own software that we recently purchased shows that data is actually much less than this.

1032
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:33,600
I didn't want to use that because you can't see the data.

1033
01:23:34,020 --> 01:23:36,120
You can go out and find all this data on TechStyle's website.

1034
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,780
So that's why I want to make sure it's something everybody could go look at and say, we'll

1035
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:40,780
shame cherry pick that data.

1036
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:43,600
This is all about the thing you take to the agenda.

1037
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:45,380
Not too necessarily.

1038
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:49,480
We're just going to want people to think about the reliability of the data that's being presented.

1039
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:51,180
But the other one is a text stop.

1040
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:53,900
They do a planning chart for what do we need to do with our roads.

1041
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,280
And so that growth, I've talked about this 1.7 to 2% growth.

1042
01:23:57,900 --> 01:24:00,680
That was from the text stop planning portion of their website.

1043
01:24:01,660 --> 01:24:04,120
But they actually use traffic accounts readily available if you want to go find them.

1044
01:24:07,070 --> 01:24:09,230
Good points. Thank you.

1045
01:24:12,230 --> 01:24:16,170
So, for those reasons, I just want to make sure that I'm clear and provide very clear

1046
01:24:16,170 --> 01:24:22,330
direction to you as I'm looking at it, my opinion hasn't changed from last time.

1047
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:25,610
I don't think this is a project that I'd be in support of at this time.

1048
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:26,390
Thank you.

1049
01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:29,430
Go ahead.

1050
01:24:29,890 --> 01:24:30,190
That was it.

1051
01:24:32,830 --> 01:24:38,790
Councillor, we do need to provide some direction staff on how to proceed from here.

1052
01:24:48,630 --> 01:24:54,530
So can I just kind of make a summative sure seems to me the two things we're

1053
01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:59,820
looking at is if you want to get from Luna

1054
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,780
Agenda to Josie as quickly as possible. Don't do this.

1055
01:25:06,850 --> 01:25:19,170
If we want to create a downtown area that people are going to want to visit, spend time at, spend money at draw businesses to, this is something we should definitely consider.

1056
01:25:22,170 --> 01:25:33,350
I think that's what it is. I mean, there's, there's from, from the residents that I've spoken to and many of them have a representative capacity. They've been elected to specific roles to represent it.

1057
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:36,730
with people, both out in the MRC crossing community,

1058
01:25:36,850 --> 01:25:39,330
but also in the immediate area that's being impacted.

1059
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:43,270
And they had their different reasons

1060
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:45,790
for not being in support of it, but they weren't.

1061
01:25:46,270 --> 01:25:48,910
And when you have a downtown area,

1062
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:51,670
it attracts the issues that they've mentioned.

1063
01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:53,550
They've talked about parking, they've talked about congestion,

1064
01:25:53,810 --> 01:25:55,370
they've talked about homelessness, they've talked about crime.

1065
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:57,250
There's all different kinds of reasons,

1066
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:59,790
but if I can, based off of the studies that I've read,

1067
01:26:00,730 --> 01:26:06,810
that type of densities that those are the issues that people encounter and so I think maybe

1068
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:17,710
more so people are against the downtown concept. Well that would be contrary to what was said during

1069
01:26:17,710 --> 01:26:25,110
all the public hearings the year and a half of gathering data and coming up with the comprehensive

1070
01:26:25,110 --> 01:26:32,870
of plan they indicated that that is what they wanted and that's what they wanted to see the city

1071
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:40,030
move to and we had one at least one of those visioning meetings in the Mercer Crossing area in

1072
01:26:40,030 --> 01:26:50,840
their amenity center so again their voices have been heard they were part of this process just like

1073
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:57,960
folks from other parts of the city and that's what I couldn't I don't know how

1074
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:07,400
many people total hundreds participated in all that in total but it's not just

1075
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,920
like they were a select few

1076
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:13,960
Mayor

1077
01:27:20,420 --> 01:27:24,960
one of the question remind me in April 23

1078
01:27:25,780 --> 01:27:29,560
We approved the form-based code.

1079
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,220
What was in April 23?

1080
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:37,300
So, the form-based code P-D-U-D-6 was then in place since nearly 2000s.

1081
01:27:37,540 --> 01:27:41,700
In 2021, the I-35 corridor study was adopted.

1082
01:27:42,380 --> 01:27:45,860
One of the recommendations was that that form-based code expand less

1083
01:27:45,860 --> 01:27:50,180
to create a cohesive looking field on both sides of I-35.

1084
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:53,880
Seven in 2023, that expansion was approved.

1085
01:27:53,880 --> 01:28:01,540
Okay, it was the expansion west to expand what we already had in mind, sorry, have an

1086
01:28:01,540 --> 01:28:09,260
allergies here, that sort of centralized or that downtown like area go across 35 so that

1087
01:28:09,260 --> 01:28:16,840
we could optically bring the west side closer to the center part of the former branch.

1088
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:26,920
The West Side has some unique characteristics and they co-edit accommodated for that, but the general look and feel the type of street scathing that a pedestrian focus was carried over.

1089
01:28:27,480 --> 01:28:36,660
Okay. Wow. Councilman Roman, I'll remind you, you supported that. In fact, you've been a big proponent of the West Side feels like you're part of Valley Ranch.

1090
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:45,180
And we need to do more to develop Farmer's Branch to bring that West Side closer in, and that was a big part of that discussion last year.

1091
01:28:45,180 --> 01:28:47,700
I know I was remembering something last year,

1092
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,060
I just wasn't recounting it exactly.

1093
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:52,320
That was a big part of that discussion.

1094
01:28:52,500 --> 01:28:56,740
I remember being part of the I-35 corridor study

1095
01:28:57,510 --> 01:29:01,120
and making sure that that Valley View 35 intersection

1096
01:29:01,810 --> 01:29:02,900
is gonna be bright.

1097
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,880
It's gonna have a little bit different lane angles

1098
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:09,500
for people turning on the service roads.

1099
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,080
It's gonna have some nice farmers branch,

1100
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:19,920
I don't know the tree and some indentions and some lighting, white or sidewalks, protection

1101
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:27,960
for pedestrian traffic and bikes, all of that was done to try and bring west side in closer

1102
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,880
to downtown, downtown Farmer's Branch.

1103
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:40,480
And now we're talking about years of public engagement, multiple city councils, now multiple

1104
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:45,480
mayors that have kind of worked this down and we've got our signature on it now with

1105
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:52,420
the Mustang station area and the Valley View project where data is saying it, go back

1106
01:29:52,420 --> 01:29:59,780
to that other side, it uses speeds, it's safer and we're going to sit here and predict

1107
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,180
That will, but more apartments is going to actually not result in that. I just, again, if we want to rely on data, and our data is not going to be perfect. We don't have a crystal ball. And we can't precisely predict what people moving into more apartments or more homes or businesses are going to do, but we've done the best that we can. And in some respects, this council is taking some risks.

1108
01:30:29,140 --> 01:30:35,080
That farmer's branch is going to grow in a way that this council has understood from its residents, it wants to grow.

1109
01:30:37,100 --> 01:30:44,380
And all of a sudden there's a messaging out there that we've got all these apartments, all this traffic coming and this is going to be a complete bust.

1110
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:46,500
I don't buy it.

1111
01:30:47,480 --> 01:30:51,680
So I remember that specific discussion at your referencing and I do remember supporting it.

1112
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:55,960
And I actually reviewed that presentation and anticipated that coming up tonight.

1113
01:30:55,960 --> 01:31:07,940
And actually, what I specifically said was, I am in support of this, in so far it doesn't create issues with people moving from the west side to the east side.

1114
01:31:08,180 --> 01:31:11,480
If we're talking about lane reductions, it's not something that I can support.

1115
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:18,700
And in fact, immediately after making that statement, you said, I believe I support Councilman Roman in that belief as well.

1116
01:31:18,700 --> 01:31:27,440
So and the data says it's going to be safer. It's going to slow traffic down and everybody knows that we want to slow traffic down in Farmer's branch.

1117
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:38,760
So I can't have both, but we're also we're also talking about we're forgetting you're you're overlooking the the impact of making this a downtown area.

1118
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:46,820
I mean, we already have issues with homeless people coming because of the dark station and I think this is just going to promulgate that issue that we're having.

1119
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,220
Even more so, I mean, look at downtown Dallas.

1120
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:56,120
Based off of the research that I've read, I mean, I read it whenever we were talking about the Tom Kusik thing.

1121
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,260
I read about the density and the impact on a community such as this.

1122
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,400
You just said based on downtown Dallas, right?

1123
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:03,400
Not based off of downtown Dallas.

1124
01:32:03,420 --> 01:32:04,260
Well, that's what you just said.

1125
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:05,880
You said based on downtown Dallas.

1126
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,340
But you also said, I'm going to go Dallas, New York, Philly.

1127
01:32:08,420 --> 01:32:08,900
You didn't say that.

1128
01:32:08,900 --> 01:32:09,320
You didn't say that.

1129
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:11,100
You said, look at downtown Dallas.

1130
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:16,580
The problems at downtown Dallas have your predicting farmer's branch is going to have those same problems.

1131
01:32:16,580 --> 01:32:19,060
because we want to move from four lanes to three.

1132
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:22,000
I based that off of a research study that was conducted,

1133
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,380
and I said, look at Dallas, which is,

1134
01:32:24,780 --> 01:32:28,520
if you look at the abbreviations of Dart,

1135
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:30,900
it's Dallas area of research transit.

1136
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:35,040
So that's to transit throughout the Dallas area.

1137
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,400
And so if this becomes a downtown area,

1138
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:40,020
is it feasible?

1139
01:32:40,220 --> 01:32:42,500
Is it possible that people are going to come

1140
01:32:42,500 --> 01:32:44,380
that are homeless and they're going to more,

1141
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,240
be more prevalence in the community?

1142
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,000
I don't know, but we do have that issue now.

1143
01:32:48,300 --> 01:32:49,180
That's what I'm saying.

1144
01:32:49,380 --> 01:32:49,500
We do.

1145
01:32:50,180 --> 01:32:50,560
We do.

1146
01:32:51,100 --> 01:32:53,040
But that shouldn't stop us from growing

1147
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,960
and pushing farmers branch forward progressively.

1148
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:56,480
I think.

1149
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:03,200
But we also, as we're talking about the data you mentioned

1150
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:08,240
something earlier, we've had since 2020 this has been going

1151
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,320
on and all of a sudden we now want to do simulation when we've

1152
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:13,900
had similar concerns going all the way back to 2020.

1153
01:33:13,900 --> 01:33:19,120
We've had time to put together a simulation to have the engineers come in.

1154
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:23,960
I'm not looking for an exact data point of exactly what's going to happen, but I think

1155
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:24,720
we're far from it.

1156
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:27,480
That's just the feeling I get.

1157
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:28,720
That's my personal opinion there.

1158
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,600
That's not based off of any research study or anything, but I just don't feel comfortable.

1159
01:33:34,140 --> 01:33:34,840
Can I ask,

1160
01:33:37,460 --> 01:33:45,520
depending if we decide not to move forward, what happens with the grant, all

1161
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:46,440
the...

1162
01:33:48,420 --> 01:33:49,900
I'll call him and tell him that we're not going to do this.

1163
01:33:50,020 --> 01:33:55,960
They take the money from us and try and hopefully keep it in the area, redistributed to another city as a project that should be ready to go.

1164
01:33:56,940 --> 01:34:01,500
The biggest concern at the regional level I have is there's an infighting at the state level.

1165
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:05,300
And the governor wanted to take funding from the Dallas area to another part of the state.

1166
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:07,960
And so he's trying hard not to lose any of the transportation funds.

1167
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,840
That's a bigger picture discussion, really, probably more than what you need to know.

1168
01:34:12,100 --> 01:34:16,740
But what they would do at the local level is take the money and reply to another project that's ready to go.

1169
01:34:16,740 --> 01:34:16,740
I don't know,

1170
01:34:21,010 --> 01:34:26,310
because not everybody can say that all the people in there are supposed to kind of unweighting listed now, well, thank you.

1171
01:34:26,730 --> 01:34:49,850
Then I guess I'll phrase this like this, I'd like to see the city take the bold step to move forward and make the improvements for the betterment of our community, but that's up to you all to side, so you need to express your preferences to whether we move forward or not, because staff needs to know what to do.

1172
01:34:49,850 --> 01:34:51,350
we can't keep holding them in my vote.

1173
01:34:52,450 --> 01:34:53,830
I don't support the road diet.

1174
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,880
Do you support the creation of a downtown area?

1175
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:21,280
I think for, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that Mr. Attorney, the discussion today is limited specifically to discussing the road diet proposal and not anything other than that. So I think staff is looking for specific direction on that. Is that right? We're discussing a favor, but yeah. Okay. So certainly not in favor of the road diet.

1176
01:35:24,650 --> 01:35:31,370
I'm in favor of it. I think it's going to have a positive impact on the downtown area over the long term.

1177
01:35:31,370 --> 01:35:36,310
and it's worth the short-term inconvenience.

1178
01:35:36,690 --> 01:35:37,550
Do you get?

1179
01:35:37,810 --> 01:35:38,970
I'm not in favor of it.

1180
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:40,590
I'm supportive.

1181
01:35:43,010 --> 01:35:48,290
So I'm in favor of a downtown area, but I don't like this particular location.

1182
01:35:49,050 --> 01:35:58,350
I'd hope to get the Dennis Lane-Dennis Road diet together and see how that produces before

1183
01:35:58,350 --> 01:36:05,630
We're doing such a major impact to a thoroughfare in our city, so I know the timing doesn't

1184
01:36:05,630 --> 01:36:11,050
work out well, but at this time, I'm not in favor of that.

1185
01:36:11,310 --> 01:36:11,790
One clarification.

1186
01:36:12,190 --> 01:36:13,150
Denton driver, Dennis.

1187
01:36:13,610 --> 01:36:14,450
I mean, Dennis, I'm sorry.

1188
01:36:14,510 --> 01:36:14,770
I'm sorry.

1189
01:36:16,150 --> 01:36:19,950
You're doing a road diet over there where they're building the apartments with retail on the

1190
01:36:19,950 --> 01:36:20,270
bottom.

1191
01:36:20,910 --> 01:36:26,790
I remember being, Denton, I remember being on planning and zoning when we had multi-families

1192
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:30,550
coming in and we were trying to advocate for more retail because we heard a lot during

1193
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:34,650
the comprehensive zoning meetings about does the dire by the residents to have more

1194
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:39,750
retail. And we had advocated to see if the multi-family developers would put retail

1195
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:44,470
on the lower portions but there was a big problem with that. They weren't able to lease

1196
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:49,690
that in from that those locations so they went to just use additional apartments as opposed

1197
01:36:49,690 --> 01:36:56,370
to retail. So that's sticking in my mind and that's why I'm hoping this other location

1198
01:36:56,370 --> 01:37:00,710
and that we're doing the road diet already to see how that retail develops.

1199
01:37:01,710 --> 01:37:08,070
And that proves out to be a very good retail area, then we can consider something else with.

1200
01:37:08,450 --> 01:37:11,930
Right now, I just see this as a major thoroughfare in our city, and

1201
01:37:11,930 --> 01:37:15,150
I reluctant to go forward at this point.

1202
01:37:16,450 --> 01:37:17,090
Very good.

1203
01:37:17,690 --> 01:37:18,370
You have what you need.

1204
01:37:18,750 --> 01:37:18,970
Yes.

1205
01:37:19,370 --> 01:37:19,630
Thank you.

1206
01:37:20,030 --> 01:37:20,190
All right.

1207
01:37:20,190 --> 01:37:27,010
Okay. Thank you, Shane. Thank you all for your discussion.

1208
01:37:30,550 --> 01:37:36,910
Okay. Very quickly, I would like to go to C3, which is receiving an update from Wohen Health

1209
01:37:36,910 --> 01:37:37,230
Clinic,

1210
01:37:41,420 --> 01:37:48,940
and we will have a hard stuff at about 555.

1211
01:37:48,980 --> 01:37:49,460
So,

1212
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:59,380
Mayor and Council, Jennifer Rainey, Assistant to the City Manager. So today we're receiving

1213
01:37:59,380 --> 01:38:05,520
a update from a woven Health Jackie Rikowski, a woven Health Executive Director, is joining

1214
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:06,080
us again.

1215
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:09,640
She provided their update in June, I believe it's June 4th.

1216
01:38:09,980 --> 01:38:15,580
As a reminder, Jackie is newer to the organization, so she may not have the exact details, but

1217
01:38:15,580 --> 01:38:17,860
she's done a lot of research together as much as possible.

1218
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:23,700
So a quick reminder, the contract with woven Health Services is via social services funding

1219
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:29,560
agreement in 2023 that was authorized at $50,000 per year for a five-year period, and

1220
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:33,140
then funding is contingent upon annual budget appropriation, and that's where we're at now.

1221
01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:39,480
So during that, the 27th meeting, Mayor Lynn along with council members, Mayor Pro Tem Roman,

1222
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:44,660
council members Neal Reed and Jackson requested an additional update be provided, and Jackie

1223
01:38:44,660 --> 01:38:46,240
Rikowski is here now to present that.

1224
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:52,940
Thank you.

1225
01:38:53,420 --> 01:38:58,020
Thank you, Mayor and council, for giving me an opportunity to come back and talk more about

1226
01:38:58,020 --> 01:39:02,820
Wilbur Health and our services here and hopefully answer some questions that you may have.

1227
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:10,060
So I've shortened the presentation and kind of tried to narrow in on some of the questions

1228
01:39:10,060 --> 01:39:14,860
that you had but I did want to talk about, again, about all the patient services that we

1229
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:18,420
provide besides primary care, preventative care, women's health.

1230
01:39:18,940 --> 01:39:21,500
We have specialists, dermatology and neurology.

1231
01:39:21,980 --> 01:39:27,080
We last year, as I had mentioned, we did not have mental health counseling as much because

1232
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:28,940
we did not have a counselor for most of the year.

1233
01:39:28,940 --> 01:39:34,480
We do have one that started about two months ago and she, the increase in patients that

1234
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:39,420
were seen from mental health counseling has really taken off and that is of no cost

1235
01:39:39,420 --> 01:39:40,300
to the patient.

1236
01:39:40,900 --> 01:39:43,800
That is through a grant that I received to grant, actually.

1237
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,500
We do nutrition counseling again.

1238
01:39:46,940 --> 01:39:48,340
That is at no cost to the patient.

1239
01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:51,620
It is through grant funding that we receive through the American Heart Association.

1240
01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:58,600
We have deeply discounted labs for my understanding a year ago, a lab core which used to provide

1241
01:39:58,600 --> 01:39:59,920
Labs at no cost.

1242
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,980
Last to our clinic has rescinded that and no longer provides free labs. And that's across the board for other nonprofit clinics as well. And then we recently partnered with Dallas Medical Center to provide discounted occupational and physical therapy for our patients. And some in-kind services are the eye exams and glasses at no cost, again, to the patient from SLOR foundation, mammograms through Methodist Hospital, cervical cancer screenings and prostate

1243
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:34,920
state cancer screening, so partnerships with Mon Creek Cancer Institute, all in kind.

1244
01:40:35,980 --> 01:40:41,640
Our new patients, what we did do is for new patients as part of your $30 contribution.

1245
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:45,420
We are providing your annual labs at no cost to you.

1246
01:40:45,620 --> 01:40:51,400
We are picking that up through the $30 donation and funding that we receive.

1247
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,220
And the medications that we get through our partners like Direct Relief, AmeriCorps and

1248
01:40:56,220 --> 01:41:01,180
in a map international, we are really building our inventory up of things like insolent that

1249
01:41:01,180 --> 01:41:06,540
our patients need or high blood pressure medications so that our patients, you know, are not, you

1250
01:41:06,540 --> 01:41:11,000
know, especially if they're newly diabetic or newly diagnosed with hypertension, we're

1251
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:15,640
not just sending them to the pharmacy to pay for a medication where they may not have the

1252
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:20,240
money, we will give them that medication at no cost to them so they can try it out first

1253
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:21,760
before we even prescribe it.

1254
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:32,940
And then we reach out to like St. Vincent's to Paul to continue providing that for free if I wasn't able to continue getting it because sometimes these organizations don't always have it but we try to stock up

1255
01:41:35,020 --> 01:41:53,820
so I wanted to talk about our current statistics statistics from January to June compared to last year and so last year we did have more at this time more total visits 691 compared to 651 this year but we do have more unique patients this year.

1256
01:41:53,840 --> 01:42:00,460
year that has grown. We have about 20 new patients this year. And my thing that I had said

1257
01:42:00,460 --> 01:42:05,140
last time was that I really wanted to do more outreach to the community. And as being

1258
01:42:05,140 --> 01:42:10,960
somebody new, I'm going to meet with businesses, going to meet at the apartment complexes. I've

1259
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:15,120
been visiting churches to let them know. I actually wanted to go visit the branch church,

1260
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:18,860
which is down the road. And they said they had no idea we were there. We've been there

1261
01:42:18,860 --> 01:42:20,740
for over 30 years, I was really surprised,

1262
01:42:21,100 --> 01:42:24,380
which really made me think we need to do our work

1263
01:42:24,380 --> 01:42:25,580
and get out in the community more,

1264
01:42:25,660 --> 01:42:27,160
even though we do attend a lot of events.

1265
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,520
And then so those are some of the other numbers here.

1266
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,480
Again, behavioral health is a little bit lower,

1267
01:42:32,620 --> 01:42:34,100
but again that is increasing.

1268
01:42:37,980 --> 01:42:40,180
So the first six months of the year,

1269
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:45,300
the value of services for 2024 is 121,000 approximately.

1270
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,500
Patient visits for 2023 was 196 overall.

1271
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:54,460
All we are forecasting approximately 1,300 patient visits as that grows.

1272
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:59,780
One of the things I'm doing is, again, like I recently went out to a business to talk

1273
01:42:59,780 --> 01:43:05,240
to him and his employees about one, we'll talk about the drug primary membership, but about

1274
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:06,940
providing care to his patients.

1275
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:11,840
And from that one visit at a dry cleaning service, I registered nine new patients.

1276
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,420
And so that is what I am trying to do in Pharma's branch as well.

1277
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:18,580
So we've been getting 50,000.

1278
01:43:18,580 --> 01:43:20,960
It's about 4% of our overall budget.

1279
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:25,220
And those also are the costs that our contributions, that patients pay.

1280
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:30,220
And just so you're aware, if a patient can't pay that, I don't like turning anybody away.

1281
01:43:30,980 --> 01:43:34,980
So, you know, they know the staff, if somebody has an issue paying, come talk to me.

1282
01:43:35,420 --> 01:43:41,400
Can we refer them to MetroCrest Services, who also helps to pay for certain clients health

1283
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,120
care if they qualify for their services?

1284
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:49,810
So these are just some demographics of our patients that you can see.

1285
01:43:54,140 --> 01:43:58,980
A little bit more, again, as I mentioned, females are the highest portion of our demographics,

1286
01:43:59,260 --> 01:44:01,440
and the average patient age is 48.

1287
01:44:04,300 --> 01:44:07,580
So the role of an healthcare plan, this is one of the questions you had had.

1288
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:13,980
So when I had started last year sometime, the board was talking about ways on

1289
01:44:13,980 --> 01:44:18,700
if we don't get funding from some places, which is something that has happened with the clinic.

1290
01:44:18,700 --> 01:44:24,660
How can we remain sustainable, keep bringing in that revenue stream into the clinic to keep

1291
01:44:24,660 --> 01:44:28,500
the clinic open and keep providing as many services that we can provide.

1292
01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:32,920
And so they came up with this membership model, this is the doctors on our board.

1293
01:44:33,540 --> 01:44:36,860
And this is something it's non-traditional healthcare.

1294
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:44,360
So it provides unlimited care for either members or employers to buy for their employees,

1295
01:44:44,860 --> 01:44:46,100
sort of like a health insurance.

1296
01:44:46,100 --> 01:44:51,260
It doesn't include hospitalization and that catastrophic portion of health care that you might pay for,

1297
01:44:51,480 --> 01:44:56,400
but it does include all the services that we provide is in that membership model.

1298
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,980
And the goal for us is to not just

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These individual members who come, or patients who come to our clinic a lot, you know, this would really help them to pay a membership fee monthly, but also to provide an option for businesses to provide some sort of healthcare to their employees. And you can see everything that's covered. And again, this also as their members, it also means that they get to see any partnerships that we have with other providers, like I'm reaching out to other specialists, like cardiology,

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and podiatrist is a new one that will probably be coming on board with us and they will have access to all of those services as well.

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I also wanted to show you this is the breakdown of the fees. It's based on age. Obviously the younger you are, the less it costs because the utilization of services will be less.

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For employers, it's based on how many employees that you have and you can see those numbers.

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I will tell you, if someone wants to ask, we currently have 65 individual members signed

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up as part of the health care plan.

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As part of that, there are 15 that we had signed up through our current patients.

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50 City of CAHPEL residents were enrolled through funding by the City of CAHPEL.

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And this is something that, you know, is even new to me, I've not heard of this before.

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I'll be honest with you, I used to run another clinic in McKinney, and we didn't know about this.

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But from my understanding, the delivery system reform incentive payment,

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which is a Medicaid waiver, the last several years, the clinic was getting substantial funding

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between $300,000 and $500,000 a year to provide health care for uninsured patients.

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And we had to meet certain metrics and patient outcomes to get this funding.

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And it was provided through funding that UT Southwestern received through a federal program,

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and then provided to us this funding ended.

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And our last I guess payment that we received was for a fiscal year 2023.

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So that no longer exists for us.

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So it is a large amount of money that we are no longer getting.

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As we all know, Texas didn't expand Medicaid.

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So there is, there wasn't that other option for us to receive that funding through the state or anything.

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And so this just talks a little bit about the impact of loss of funding.

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You know, there's always obviously our service delivery and do we have to limit services to our patients.

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I never want to do that and I promise you I will find every way possible to continue all the services and adding more services to our patients.

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because I understand you know that it is difficult for health care. I don't want our patients to end up in the ER for their normal chronic disease management.

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And I don't think anybody wants that.

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So I am looking for other ways. That's why I reach out to our in-kind partners to get medical supplies. So there's an organization in Dallas called Faith in Action.

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You can go there, it's a partner with Baylor, and clinics and nonprofits can go there.

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They give you a cart and you can basically shop for medical supplies, medications, everything

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that they have at no cost to the clinic.

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And so there are ways that I am going about to reduce our expenses as well, but making sure

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that our patients are still getting the same care.

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And again, I am doing some outreach, of course, into the City of Farmers Branch.

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I have someone else helping me do that.

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We are attending back to school events.

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We are going out wherever we can table out events.

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I'm doing that as well, reaching out to businesses,

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apartment complexes, churches in the community, wherever I need to,

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to get the word out about our services.

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We're also reaching out to patients from Farmers Branch,

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or residents from Farmers Branch, who are no longer patients

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and trying to find out why are you no longer a patient?

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From my understanding, some of that has to do with the cost of labs

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that we're no longer free, but we're letting them know that, as you come back in

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re-enroll and re-establish as a patient, we will pick up your annual labs, which

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is the biggest portion of lab costs for our patients. And then throughout the

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year, if you're diabetic, it has heavily discounted the labs for our patients.

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I'll take any questions you might have. Thank you. So I'd just like to say, I think our

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farmer's branch is a pretty diverse community and we certainly have members of

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of our community who are in need, whether they get those services through Wobun or Metcrest

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services, excuse me, or some other entities.

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We know that there's a knee and I'm...

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I staunchly believe, reducing healthcare services and options and availability to our residents is a huge disservice to the community. And certainly

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this issue is compounded by the sources of funding that you once had that are not there now. Correct. Yes. And I would like to see the council see fit to.

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to leave you at what we had originally in the budget for the coming year and not add

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to your growing aggravation of trying to maintain services to our community.

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And I want, you know, the council to know and everyone that I am constantly looking for

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new grants.

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I spend a great deal of my time writing grants to other foundations.

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We have received funding from some in particular for a mental health counseling that is new to the clinic and I, you know, I'm striving to continuing to reach out to other funders, but certainly we still need your support.

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Council, any questions, comments? Yes, sir.

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Thank you mayor. Thank you. You've got four minutes.

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I know you've been on the job for a short time.

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You got a big road ahead of you to do what needs to be done

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and a lot of some of the loss of funding and such.

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If you can go back to the statistics January through June,

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I just want to get some clarity for those that are watching,

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I think you've just used the arrows on the keyboard

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you might be able to move a little faster.

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Okay.

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There you go.

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Perfect. Thank you. Total visits, 651 to 600 from 691. That's not just

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Farmer's Branch. That's. That is Farmer's Branch. It's only Farmer's Branch. Yes. We have about 2300 unique

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patients and about 90-100 patient visits a year for all of our patients. Okay. So. And that is the unique

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patients. That's the utilization that they're using. Okay. So if we fast forward a couple more slides

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to the patient demographics based on the race.

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That is all cities.

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This year is all cities.

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This year is all cities.

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Just overall.

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If about half of our population of Farmer's Branch is of Hispanic origin, I find it odd

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that 34% would be Asian and 51%.

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01:52:40,660 --> 01:52:41,500
Yeah, no, this is all.

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It's other than such a small part would be considered Mexican-American Indian, which is

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where I assume Hispanics are characterized.

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I brought this up the last time you were here.

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I think there's a huge opportunity to promote woven.

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01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:03,640
You said it yourself, farmers branched the branched church

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right down the street from where y'all've been.

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For many many years didn't even know that y'all were doing it.

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There's another nonprofit that operates across the street

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that's all very well aware of that.

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But I would just encourage you to continue that work

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that you're doing to get woven's name out there.

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It's been around a long time, but I just think there's an untapped visibility there.

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And part of that is being where we're located, you know, inside Dallas Medical Center

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there in the medical office building.

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And I have worked with the hospital.

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So they already have a direct referral form that they have.

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That if any patient comes into the emergency room or they're being discharged

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and they don't have health insurance they can send them to us to be their

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medical home but yes we can't have a sign out there we don't have you know

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what I would love to have is a storefront clinic so people can see us and can

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find us easily but that's you know not the case we don't pay rent there it's hard

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to give that up I would you know it's but it is a goal of mine to to be out of

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there and to to have a place that you know people can just walk into and and see

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You write out on the street, you know, so.

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Okay, last question.

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You mentioned that Kapel provides some funding.

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We've provided some funding.

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There are other cities, Dallas, Irving,

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maybe Richard's people come from many different places.

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Do other cities, other than Kapel, and Farmers Plays?

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Carolton, you guys, Kapel, Addison, all provide funding.

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The city of Dallas does not.

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They're funding all pretty much goes to Parkland from I do want to meet with them

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and that is something that I'm working on but I believe in the past they the

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former ED has tried to meet with them and get funding and Dallas we have a large

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I am talking, trying to talk to other cities. I was just at a Richardson Chamber of Commerce event because I do want us to, you know, we see patients from all over, as far as Fort Worth, as far as Anna, Lewisville, all these areas. And my goal is to go to all these cities and ask them for funding. I think that, I think the demographics, based on geographic, would be very important there. My fear would be is that we're subsidizing a lot of Dallas folks.

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It's kind of, you know, the humanity, humanity and we want to be there.

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Sure.

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But, you know, Dallas, I think needs to be good to have that conversation.

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Yeah.

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So, just so, you know, everyone also, when we get funding from a city or from a grant

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that might be restricted, it is calculated out just for a farmer's branch.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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I've got to step in and in this now because we have to get down for a meeting to start

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at six o'clock.

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So we will resume study session after regular council meeting.

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So we will go downstairs right now.

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Please plan on being at the council chambers at 615 now.

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You can stop off in the city manager's office to grab a quick bite.

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It's in the kitchen right here.

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Are we going to come in?

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01:57:16,780 --> 01:57:23,620
Good evening and welcome everybody to the City of Farmers Branch Council meeting for Tuesday, July 16th.

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Our indication and pledges this evening will be led by Councilman Baird.

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Please rise.

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Please pray with me.

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I have really Father, we're thankful for this time.

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You've given us tonight to gather and we pray that you would guide our actions and

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01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:48,200
our decisions.

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We're thankful for our city and for our city staff and for our residents.

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01:57:55,420 --> 01:57:58,380
And we pray that your hand would be honest through this evening.

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In your name, we pray.

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Amen.

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And now the pledges, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual, with liberty and justice for all.

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Now the Texas pledge, honor of the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas, one state under God, one in individuals.

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So we're going to be just a little bit out of order here this evening at the beginning.

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We want to finish one item of study session which is our discussion and update from woven

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health clinic.

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We were right in the middle of that when we had to break.

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So I'm going to ask the woven director to come up to the podium maybe just reintroduce

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yourself and then we will resume with council questioning before we get to our regular agenda.

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Hello again. I'm Jackie Rekowski, the executive director of woven health clinic.

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01:59:13,940 --> 01:59:19,920
Okay. Thank you, Jackie, and we left off. I believe Councilman Roman had some questions

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that he wanted to ask.

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01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:25,840
Yeah, and I think we visited over the break a little bit about it. Now I think you guys are

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doing a great job at providing a service to our community. One thing that did stand out

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to me as we were discussing the budget is I recall last year that the former executive

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director had mentioned something about that the request was going to be $50,000 for the

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last fiscal year and then or 50,000 for the last fiscal year but then it would have revert

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back to the original 25.

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And so I just was kind of looking for a little bit clarity about that.

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I didn't know if something had changed or if maybe we just didn't remember that the amount

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was supposed to go back.

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because I just started in January.

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In January, I really don't have an answer for that or what was discussed. I looked at the agreement, same way I'm sure everybody reviewed it. I would have thought the agreement would have been written that way, which would have made sense for better understanding for everybody. I did talk to my board president and treasurer and vice president. They did all assume it was a continuation over five years of that 50,000. I wish I had a better answer.

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but that's it for me doing it.

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02:00:32,300 --> 02:00:35,200
Very good, very good, thank you.

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02:00:35,720 --> 02:00:37,920
Anybody else have, Councilor Niel?

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02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:39,380
Yeah, thank you, Jackie.

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02:00:39,580 --> 02:00:41,560
I want to thank you and your staff

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for all that you do for our city and our residents,

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02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:46,160
especially so grateful for all of that.

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02:00:46,460 --> 02:00:51,520
And I was happy to hear about the membership program

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that you've mentioned.

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02:00:54,020 --> 02:00:56,720
I think the last presentation last year to council

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or was the initiation of a membership program.

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02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:03,560
And to that point, I think upstairs you mentioned

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there was about 65 at this point.

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02:01:06,100 --> 02:01:09,460
Do you have any targets to grow that in any way

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02:01:09,460 --> 02:01:11,280
and if so is that something you could share?

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02:01:12,900 --> 02:01:16,340
Yes, so obviously it's in the initial stages.

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02:01:16,340 --> 02:01:18,800
It's going to take time to build this program up.

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02:01:19,340 --> 02:01:21,800
Mainly it is something new for this area

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02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:23,340
when we do call on businesses.

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02:01:23,340 --> 02:01:26,840
A lot of people don't even know what direct primary care is.

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02:01:27,540 --> 02:01:33,840
Some have questions about where does that, what if I want to provide that catastrophic portion for healthcare?

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02:01:34,540 --> 02:01:42,460
So we are talking to other insurance brokerages that actually come alongside DPC that provide that hospitalization care.

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02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:51,000
So I know it's a small target this year, but going forward, the goal is really to increase our patients by 2000.

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02:01:51,000 --> 02:01:54,860
Okay. Okay. Which is to be part of the membership.

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02:01:55,580 --> 02:02:02,760
And a question for City Manager Ben. The current agreement is $50,000 per year for five

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02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:04,720
years. That is correct. Yes.

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02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:09,760
Okay. Because I realize that there has been some budget discussions around reducing that.

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And I'd just like to go on record and say I'm not in favor any reduction. Anything we might

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need a little more. But at this point, I'm quite satisfied with what they do for residents.

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02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:23,680
And these structures that we have agreed for the next several years.

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02:02:24,020 --> 02:02:25,020
Thank you.

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02:02:29,190 --> 02:02:38,330
All right, Jackie, thank you so much for sticking with us tonight and we'll look forward to working with you in the future.

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Okay, thank you so much.

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All right,

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so now we'll be our ceremonial items and we'll

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begin the regular portion of our city council meeting.

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02:03:19,420 --> 02:03:23,980
Okay, so I just had rotator surgery, so don't anybody try to shake my right hand, please.

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02:03:24,900 --> 02:03:26,940
But I didn't want my sling on for any pictures.

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Our next item is G1 recognition of the Farmers Branch Fire Department, 133 and Medic 133

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for their actions in saving the life of a cardiac arrest victim on May 20, 2024.

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Guys, come on down.

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So,

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let me just give you a background here on May 20th, 24th, 11.49 p.m., the Farmers

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Management Department Quint 133 and Medical 133 were dispatched to a person needing

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lift assistance.

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Upon arrival, the crew found the patient on the floor with no obvious signs of distress.

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The crew helped the patient to their chair.

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By that time, the patient stated their arm was becoming itchy.

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Within moments, the patient became unresponsive, pulseless, and ebner,

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okay, not breathing.

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Crews immediately moved the patient onto the stretcher and started CPR.

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While conducting CPR, the patient was hooked up to a live-packed 15 monitor.

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The patient showed to be in pulseless electrical activity.

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Approximately two minutes later, the patient began to grunt in pain and began to breathe.

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CPR was stopped and the life...

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The PAC-15 monitor showed that the patient had a normal sinus rhythm. The patient was then moved to the ambulance for a transport. While in route to medical city, lost clean as the patient's complete vitals were taken, and it was shown that the patient had low blood pressure. An IV was established, and medication was given to increased blood pressure. Throughout the transport, the patient was alert and responsive. Later that week, the person, the patient, was discharged from the hospital.

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This would not be possible without the medical direction from Dr.

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Northing, the best EMS, field training officers, medical simulation program, and the EMS captain.

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And now I'd like Chief Ladmer to finish off on telling us the rest of the story.

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Thank you, Mayor, thank you, Council.

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And we have our representatives from Medical City of Los Clans who will have them come up here up here in just a minute.

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But I just want to go ahead and address the Mayor and Council and City of Magic.

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Thank you all very much for your continued support, that you show the Fire Department.

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You continue to show the Fire Department.

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And I just thank you for the assistance as well to support you to show us.

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But most importantly to these guys right here, our guys and girls out here in the Fire Department.

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As you hear, we're up here often with lifesaving awards.

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and it's because of the like we said the full field training officers, the

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train programs we have, our leadership, and our EMS captain, the operations chief,

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and just if you would just give them round of applause for all they do for us.

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At

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this time I'd like to invite our representatives from Medical City,

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Laws Cleaners.

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02:06:45,810 --> 02:06:48,530
Hello everybody. My name is Travis Hardy, I'm the EMS coordinator

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02:06:48,530 --> 02:06:52,890
of Medical City Laws Cleaners. Today with me, I got our COO, Marcus Jackson, and Josh

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02:06:52,890 --> 02:06:58,550
Clonsettino, our trauma program manager. So only about 10% of cardiac arrest that

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that happen out of hospital actually end up surviving.

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So we like to celebrate it when it happens.

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It takes a whole team to help save people's lives.

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It starts with the call tickers, the dispatchers,

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all the way to the EMS.

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No one would ever respond to the call

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without the dispatchers appropriately

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activating the correct units

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and getting into the correct location in the right scene.

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02:07:16,950 --> 02:07:18,710
And the recognition for someone in distress

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is vital for our EMS jobs.

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So a simple lift assist turned different very fast.

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It was just helping somebody get off

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floor and turn it into something different fast.

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So due to the quick actions of farmers branched fire department personnel, we as a hospital

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were fortunate enough to be able to part of saving the patient's life.

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When they immediately able to survive to the hospital hospital, we quickly performed

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multiple tests and imaging after being monitored in the ER for a few hours.

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The patient was moved to our ICU for continued test.

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After an echo, it was determined that as well as the allergic reaction that caused the cardiac

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arrest, the patient suffered an in-stimmy, which is a type of heart attack.

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One of the major blood vessels supplied to the heart was 95% to no, it was basically clogged

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up.

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So we were able to perform a surgery put in a stint in place and it ended up being discharged

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with zero percent stenosis.

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The patient was continuously monitored for the rest of the day and discharged the next morning

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with instructions with the follow-up of the cardiologist.

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So everyone involved in caring for the patient deserves recognition from the call-takers, dispatchers,

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fire department personnel and all the hospital staff.

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So we want to thank the thank farmers Brett City Council and the fire department for allowing us to be here to give our thanks to all those who played a part in saving the patient's life.

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And one of the special things we do and we continue what we'll continue to do it as we have a plaque that has the fire department personnel, all the crew members that are involved in the call that are on it.

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So Chief, that's for you all.

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And we also have some certifications that will head out to the guys afterwards.

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Thank you all.

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That's it for us once again. Thank you all very much for the support and once again. Thank you guys for coming tonight

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Thank y'all for all y'all do for our community. We appreciate you

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02:10:40,730 --> 02:10:47,350
So next is item G2, which is a presentation of a proclamation to the James A. Smith Masonic

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02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:53,410
Lodge, number 395, for their 150th anniversary. John, come on down.

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02:10:55,540 --> 02:10:56,660
So the James A. Smith

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Mathematonic Law has been in Farmers Ranch since 1898.

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In that time, the law just served the city through various community activities, such

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as the adoption of Blair Elementary School and the support of the city's first responders.

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Pardon me.

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We honor their involvement and commitment to the citizens of Farmers Ranch and present

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this proclamation to honor their 150th anniversary.

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So, this is a proclamation from the Office of the Mayor, whereas on June 6th, 1874, James A. Smith,

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Masonic Lodge, number 395, was chartered by the Grand Lodge of Texas and was named in honor

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02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:50,560
of Reverend James A. Smith, and whereas Reverend James A. Smith was the first minister to establish a

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02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:58,240
Methodist Church in Dallas County, and whereas the Lodge moved to farmers branch of Texas in 1898

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02:11:58,240 --> 02:12:03,720
to promote the principal tenants of brotherly love, relief, and truth.

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02:12:04,200 --> 02:12:10,060
And whereas the James A. Smith Lodge continues to serve the City of Farmers Branch through community involvement,

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02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:16,640
the adoption of Blair Elementary School and their support of those who serve our city as first responders.

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And whereas the James A. Smith Lodge celebrated their 150th anniversary on June 6th, 2024.

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Now, therefore, I, Terry Lynn, Mayor of City of Farmers Branch, do hereby honor the James A. Smith,

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Masonic Lodge, number 395, for their 150th anniversary and celebrate their achievements.

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02:12:36,420 --> 02:12:37,200
Thank you,

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Mr. Mayor of Council and senior manager, it's indeed a milestone for the

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02:12:49,290 --> 02:12:53,490
The attorney of James A. Smith was Sonic Lodge to receive this proclamation.

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It's been a growth, learning, and an impact that we have in our community.

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We look forward to many more generations of impact for our city.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next up is G3, item G3, presentation of the Employee of the Month Award for the month

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of June to add in almond eras of the Parks and Recreation Department.

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So tonight, we're here to recognize Adam, Youth Program Leader, Parks and Recreations

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as our employee of the month for the month of June.

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Adam has demonstrated a remarkable ability to connect with the community

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fostering a positive environment.

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His proactive approach and willingness to go above and beyond have

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significantly contributed to the success of the programs he oversees

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02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,360
at the Park and Recreation Department.

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Adam's ability to work with the teen fire academy is just one example of how he continually strives to make a positive impact. He's comfortable with displaying his leadership skills, with other departments, and doesn't hesitate to help others. So I just want to say, Adam, thank you. I feel like we're very lucky to have you. Would you like to say something?

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Good evening. My name is Oshima Nielis Recreation Manager, and also Adam's direct supervisor.

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Adam received employee of the month for June due to his exemplary work with team fire academy.

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But this accomplishment only confirms for us as a full-time staff.

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All that we've seen in Adams, since he started the team leadership program.

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This Adams first summer with us and has been a great start from the beginning.

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02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:54,030
His passion for making connections with the teams and his fellow team members has seen every day.

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His work ethic and willing us to be a team player is outstanding.

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We are excited to continue to have Adam and our team for years to come.

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Thank you.

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First, I want to thank my Lord Xavier for always watching out for me being there for me.

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I also want to thank my family for being my biggest support system.

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Then I want to thank my team at the Parks and Recreation Department for giving me this opportunity.

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Thank you.

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So we have this beautiful employee of the month award, and I hope you'll display it proudly at your house.

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In my college door.

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02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:50,380
The next

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step is item G for a presentation of the American Society of Landscape Architects, Texas Chapter Award for the John F. Burke Nature Preserve, presented to the city by Dunway and Associates.

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So

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the Texas American Society of Landscape Architects Awards identifies and recognizes outstanding

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02:17:43,580 --> 02:17:49,820
examples of recent and past works by Texas Landscape Architects and acknowledges their contributions

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02:17:49,820 --> 02:17:52,340
to the quality of life for all citizens of Texas.

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Awards are given at an annual Texas ASLA conference each year and are judged by volunteers from

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other states.

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The awards program includes projects in various categories, including design constructed projects,

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02:18:07,680 --> 02:18:15,240
design unrealized projects, planning and analysis, communication, international and classic.

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02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:21,620
The John F. Burton Nature Preserve was submitted with the Design Constructed Projects category,

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02:18:21,980 --> 02:18:28,200
which recognizes site-specific landscape architecture and urban design works for built projects.

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02:18:28,200 --> 02:18:33,720
At the jury's discretion, the John F. Burt Nature Preserve was selected to receive an award

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02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:34,460
of merit.

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02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:41,260
Located at the crossroads of a major freeway interchange and the Trinity River Corridor,

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02:18:41,480 --> 02:18:46,720
the John F. Burt Nature Preserve is a precious remnant serving as a guarded home to a diverse

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02:18:46,720 --> 02:18:48,960
community of wildlife and vegetation.

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02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:56,900
The property encompasses repairing forests, meadows, and wetlands, an unexpected ecosystem

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02:18:56,900 --> 02:19:00,140
system within a highly urbanized area.

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02:19:00,700 --> 02:19:08,040
The master plan incorporates successful parking upgrades, composting, resting facilities,

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02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:10,820
and amphitheater and plaster.

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02:19:11,520 --> 02:19:19,000
Wetland boardwalks and gateway pedestrian bridge, river outlooks, wildlife blinds, and

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02:19:19,000 --> 02:19:28,900
an international hierarchy of both impervious and natural surface trails that connect to the regional

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02:19:28,900 --> 02:19:34,360
hiking bike trail network. So I'm going to have our park director come up and say a few words.

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02:19:36,620 --> 02:19:40,980
Robert Diaz, parks director, I just want to thank we've got two representatives with Dunway here,

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02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:46,280
Elizabeth Malkorath and Aaron Law. Aaron was actually the principal designer on this project and

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02:19:46,280 --> 02:19:50,300
And I also want to kind of call out some of our park staff, Ross Pittman, one of our

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02:19:50,300 --> 02:19:55,040
park managers in Mark Moffitt, our Park 2% are actually ones at a conference and ones

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02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:59,020
on vacation, but they were very, both those guys are instrumental in making this project

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happen.

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All the park staff and the contracts that we had to make this possible and it's a real gym and we appreciate them done away putness on for us. So, I don't know if you guys have anything. Did you want to say or? Okay, my name is Elizabeth. I'm a principal at done away and got to go on the journey of master planning the John Burke nature preserve all the way from the start to now that we've got phase one on the ground and you guys are right. It is a gym.

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in this community and we're proud to have gone to our professional organization and received an award that would honor the design and honor the property.

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And we're happy to share it with the city because working alongside city staff as designers sometimes that's easy and sometimes it's not just to be honest.

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But it was very easy with this community everyone loves the property and hopefully everyone is enjoying it now that phase one is on the ground.

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So we're happy to share the award with the city

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02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:35,780
Next

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up for our items of community interest

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02:21:56,160 --> 02:22:01,220
Thank you, Mayor items of community interest for this council meeting of July 16th, 2023

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02:22:01,220 --> 02:22:10,580
Mark your calendars for October 18th and 19th at the Farmers Branch Historical Park because the 15th annual Blooming Bluegrass Festival returns

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02:22:10,580 --> 02:22:14,300
Here to Farmers Branch and tickets are on sale now.

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02:22:14,580 --> 02:22:18,140
The Del McCurray Band and Rhonda Vincent and the Rage will head

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02:22:18,140 --> 02:22:18,460
line.

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02:22:18,580 --> 02:22:21,820
You can buy those tickets online at bloomandbluegrass.com.

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02:22:22,360 --> 02:22:27,140
Since the Memorial Day Storm, our city sanitation crews have cleaned up

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02:22:27,140 --> 02:22:30,740
nearly 12,000 cubic yards of brush.

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02:22:31,640 --> 02:22:34,940
Now to put that in perspective, that equates to more than six months

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02:22:34,940 --> 02:22:37,980
of debris collected in about six weeks.

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02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:42,000
The Green Grabber crews have worked long hours to get it done.

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02:22:42,460 --> 02:22:45,500
Now some piles in city parks have yet to be collected.

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02:22:45,720 --> 02:22:47,320
They will soon be gathered as well.

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02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:52,200
If you have any questions about bulk and or brush collection in your neighborhood, you

1682
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:56,040
can call 972-919-2613.

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02:22:56,840 --> 02:22:59,720
Are you curious about city projects?

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02:23:00,460 --> 02:23:05,960
Well, we have a new interactive city projects dashboard on our website with the latest improvements

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02:23:05,960 --> 02:23:06,920
in the city.

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02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:14,860
It's interactive with details including the project's budget scope and department context and I believe we have an image of it now

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02:23:14,860 --> 02:23:18,840
We can there it is. So this is an idea of what you'll see it is interactive

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02:23:18,840 --> 02:23:27,080
You can move the map around and pick and choose which details you want to focus on just look for city projects on our website

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02:23:27,080 --> 02:23:29,280
That's farmers branch tx.gov

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02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:33,500
Have you considered serving the city on a board or commission?

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02:23:33,500 --> 02:23:35,680
Well, if not, why not?

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02:23:36,200 --> 02:23:40,720
Each board or commission plays a critical role in public policy development and review.

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02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:48,000
The city specifically right now needs volunteers on the parks, the library, sustainability,

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02:23:48,380 --> 02:23:49,520
and our zoning boards.

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02:23:49,980 --> 02:24:00,280
Please consider for more information or to apply visit fbboards.com or you can call us at 9-7-2-9-19-25-15.

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02:24:01,380 --> 02:24:05,860
Also, Christmas Tea is a longstanding holiday tradition here in the Farmer's Branch Historical

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02:24:05,860 --> 02:24:11,920
Park, and those tickets are about to go on sale beginning Monday, August 12th.

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02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:13,280
They are very popular.

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02:24:13,960 --> 02:24:19,180
Each tea service features live music, delicious treats, Christmas decor, and, of course, tea.

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02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:26,260
This year they will be December 7th and 14th with sittings at 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. reservations

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02:24:26,260 --> 02:24:32,140
locations can be made by calling 972-406-0184.

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02:24:32,840 --> 02:24:37,780
The Barney Wood Dog Park will remain closed through Monday, August 12th to allow our

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02:24:37,780 --> 02:24:40,180
park staff to re-sod the area.

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02:24:40,540 --> 02:24:44,740
We apologize for the delay, but that sod will need time to take root.

1705
02:24:45,720 --> 02:24:51,520
Also as many residents know, a West Nile virus has been detected in another mosquito trap

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02:24:51,520 --> 02:24:57,160
here in Farmer's Branch, so the city will initiate spraying for two nights this week in area

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02:24:57,160 --> 02:24:59,760
four and that's the Pebble Beach area.

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02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:07,180
And those nights will be Wednesday and Thursday nights after 10 p.m. And by the way, we also have

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02:25:07,180 --> 02:25:12,500
mosquito repellent and larvicide dunks available right here at City Hall. Does the green

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02:25:12,500 --> 02:25:17,840
space behind your backyard or fence look like a jungle? Well, if so, we need your help.

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02:25:18,220 --> 02:25:25,100
That grassy, unpaved lane or area is called an easement. And it should be maintained just

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02:25:25,100 --> 02:25:30,520
like a front or back yard. Grass, weeds and brush must be trimmed. There are many reasons

1713
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:35,960
including reducing or improving drainage and reducing mosquito populations. For more

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02:25:35,960 --> 02:25:45,480
information, you can call the city at 9-7-2-919-3131. Actually, I think that should be 9-7-2-2-4-7-3131.

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02:25:45,660 --> 02:25:54,720
Yeah, that's correct. So that's 9-7-2-2-4-7-3131 or use the FPTX Connect app. The overlook

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02:25:54,720 --> 02:26:01,120
Look at the John F. Burke Nature Preserve is closed right now for repair due to some erosion caused by the recent heavy rains.

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02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:08,040
All other areas of our wonderful nature preserve are still open, however visitors should be mindful of the river's edge.

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02:26:08,660 --> 02:26:13,580
And as always, you can sign up for city e-news at farmersbranchtx.gov.

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Mayor.

1720
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:16,020
Thank you, Mr. Ray.

1721
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I am going to dispense with a report on study session item since we are nowhere near finish

1722
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with that. We will be resuming study session after we finish our regular council meeting

1723
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this evening. So next up will be citizen comments. Please note there is a three minute time limit

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For each person to speak, anyone wishing to speak shall be courteous and cordial, no disparaging or inflammatory remarks directed at any member of city staff, a border permission or city council.

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When you come up to the podium, please state your name and address.

1726
02:27:00,630 --> 02:27:07,630
Again, you will have three minutes when the light turns red and you hear the tone that is the time to stop.

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02:27:07,630 --> 02:27:10,950
our first speaker this evening is Nancy Holland.

1728
02:27:19,580 --> 02:27:20,580
Good evening, City Council.

1729
02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:21,800
My name is Nancy Holland.

1730
02:27:22,180 --> 02:27:24,300
I reside at 131 Kerr Trail.

1731
02:27:25,460 --> 02:27:27,300
This is my first time coming to a City Council meeting.

1732
02:27:27,300 --> 02:27:29,380
I've usually watched them from home

1733
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or I think I actually came to the city session last week.

1734
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So thank you for having us.

1735
02:27:37,080 --> 02:27:41,640
Basically, I'm just here to explain that as a mom

1736
02:27:41,640 --> 02:27:43,660
of a little girl, she's about seven or eight.

1737
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I got to be eight in fall.

1738
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I'm very interested in the things that she's able to do.

1739
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:50,080
And so when I was listening to some of the things

1740
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:51,960
that were talked about in the study sessions,

1741
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I was concerned about getting rid of events,

1742
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or getting rid of pool hours, or just hours in general.

1743
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And I guess I just wanted to voice my support, first of all,

1744
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for the park's facilities and for those events.

1745
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:07,640
My daughter's gone to the daddy daughter dance twice now.

1746
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:08,260
She loves it.

1747
02:28:08,380 --> 02:28:12,900
She has a ball at something that I am very happy

1748
02:28:12,900 --> 02:28:14,300
that she gets to do through the city.

1749
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So I hope we can continue to do that.

1750
02:28:16,760 --> 02:28:19,080
I know it, I think it's not on the chopping block this year,

1751
02:28:19,200 --> 02:28:21,520
but I hope we can continue to voice our support for those things

1752
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in future years as well.

1753
02:28:27,220 --> 02:28:31,100
I also just wanted to, I guess I've noticed that we've kind of

1754
02:28:32,240 --> 02:28:34,420
tried to cut events or kind of combined events.

1755
02:28:34,420 --> 02:28:38,040
And I'd like to see, you know, we're so focused on cutting things.

1756
02:28:38,180 --> 02:28:41,100
I'd like to consider maybe adjusting something,

1757
02:28:41,260 --> 02:28:42,340
maybe that something's not working.

1758
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:43,920
And instead of just cutting it all together,

1759
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maybe we just find a new way to do it for a little bit less money.

1760
02:28:47,060 --> 02:28:50,260
I think we're doing some of that, but just, I wanted to voice my support for that.

1761
02:28:52,260 --> 02:28:58,560
And then just in general, I would hope that we would focus on maybe cost savings in general

1762
02:28:58,560 --> 02:29:00,080
and not focus on a tencent.

1763
02:29:00,740 --> 02:29:05,060
I think we talked about that for a second, but even the three-saint goal of saving property tax.

1764
02:29:05,300 --> 02:29:08,380
I think that was a little aggressive and some of the ways that we were trying to just cut things

1765
02:29:08,380 --> 02:29:13,540
to meet that number. I would rather pay a little bit more money in my property taxes than have

1766
02:29:13,540 --> 02:29:19,220
some of those services go away, and then in general I would also support the trash fee.

1767
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:22,640
I think when we talked about that, that seemed like a very common sense thing to do.

1768
02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:28,900
I think it was $5, I guess, on a bill for, I think we said five years and then it would go up.

1769
02:29:29,060 --> 02:29:31,460
So anyway, that seems like a pretty common sense thing to do.

1770
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That's all I have, thank you.

1771
02:29:33,640 --> 02:29:34,500
Thank you so much.

1772
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Our next speaker is Price Trosen,

1773
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good evening neighbors.

1774
02:29:52,080 --> 02:29:58,940
My name is Price Trosen and I live at 2711 Mount View Lane, Farmer's Grand Checks of 752347.

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I am on the sustainability committee, so the issue of the Citizens Collection Center is a big deal to me. I put the numbers down. Over the past fiscal year, the Citizens Collection Center has collected 668 tons of trash bulk to go to the landfill. But they have also collected 40 tons of material in the various

1776
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:34,000
different materials, recycling, electronics, et cetera, that have been diverted for landfill.

1777
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6% doesn't seem like a lot, but it adds up over time.

1778
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Also, there's been one ton of food waste diverted to the composting program,

1779
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which is also saving the lifespan of the landfill, of which we know that it is finite resource.

1780
02:30:54,140 --> 02:30:58,620
So it will not go on, eventually it will come time to close it.

1781
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And anything that we can do to lengthen the timeline of the landfill is very important.

1782
02:31:03,580 --> 02:31:08,300
I want to make sure that everybody knows that we want to be known as forward thinking.

1783
02:31:08,480 --> 02:31:15,640
We want to preserve what we have echoing my neighbor's previous to me, her thoughts.

1784
02:31:16,500 --> 02:31:18,560
It is once you cut something, it's gone.

1785
02:31:18,860 --> 02:31:21,440
We know it's really tough to get something back once it's cut.

1786
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So a lot of some of the services, some of the pool, the rec center, the citizens collection center, especially for me, that's very important, just keeping, just keep an eye on the future and not look to the short term for solutions.

1787
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We should consider our kids, we should consider what's good for our kids and maybe their kids.

1788
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I'm only looking one generation down, but I think it's very important to keep things such as the dark funding to help our neighbors and other parts of the DFW area to keep our existence collection center open and also our services parks and some very popular programs in the city of Farmer's Branch.

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I moved here nine years ago, I am not from Texas, but I do love living in farmers branch, and I want to continue to be a place where people can be proud to live.

1790
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That's all.

1791
02:32:20,280 --> 02:32:21,020
Thank you so much.

1792
02:32:23,130 --> 02:32:24,850
Next up is William Kirby.

1793
02:32:32,260 --> 02:32:34,780
William Kirby, 3411, Ridge Oak Way.

1794
02:32:35,100 --> 02:32:38,280
This is with regards to the Valley View Road Reconfiguration.

1795
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:41,300
It's very easy to say no.

1796
02:32:41,300 --> 02:32:46,220
So, no keeps us out of status quo and is a safe answer where yes, may invite change.

1797
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Whether it's road diets, apartments, or anything during budget season, I'm sure that you hear lots and lots of knows.

1798
02:32:52,600 --> 02:32:56,240
But when we push through the easy know and invite people, tell us what they really do want.

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02:32:56,380 --> 02:32:58,780
You get some thoughtful and insightful and productive answers.

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To that end, our reference input from the thorough and involved comprehensive plan process.

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Phase one station, one of the surveys.

1802
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There's a desire among residents for the city to have a more exciting front porch and to offer innovation opportunities

1803
02:33:13,480 --> 02:33:18,400
Within lockable streets connected to accessible parks phase one station two

1804
02:33:18,400 --> 02:33:24,680
This is your love more or less exercise residents the farmers branch went more sit down restaurant options more coffee shops more retail

1805
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:30,220
Opportunities residents on the west side of I-35 would like better access to not only restaurants and coffee shops

1806
02:33:30,220 --> 02:33:36,720
But also grocery store many residents would like more beautiful gateways to the city as well as a focus on safety with more law enforcement

1807
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:41,520
and present and traffic control. Phase one, station three, in the right of a way, residents

1808
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:45,140
will like more trees, bike lanes, wider and interconnected sidewalks, and enhanced public

1809
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spaces and facilities. These comments were specific to the central area,

1810
02:33:50,000 --> 02:33:52,780
improved the safety of streets and sidewalks for walking and biking,

1811
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coordinate the school district for safe routes to schools,

1812
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signals should prioritize non-car traffic for public safety,

1813
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trees and planting buffers between sidewalks and roadways, and a desire to improve

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group, Josie Webb, Chapel and Valley View. You're likely sensing a pattern here, it's

1815
02:34:07,160 --> 02:34:11,580
a bit repetitive. But these comments are many and they are consistent through phase

1816
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one, two and three, the pop-up surveys at SLOR in the international plaza, the technical

1817
02:34:17,980 --> 02:34:22,920
advisory committee, the walk studies and the online surveys. Some comments even go so

1818
02:34:22,920 --> 02:34:27,520
far as to explicitly call for the removal of one travel lane from Valley View specifically.

1819
02:34:27,960 --> 02:34:32,980
I didn't say that, but I agree with it. The road needs to be resurfaced anyway. The sidewalks

1820
02:34:32,980 --> 02:34:38,140
need to be improved anyway, the intersection at value in B Street needs to be redone anyway.

1821
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:43,780
This project benefits all of those outcomes, and somebody else is offering to pay for most of it.

1822
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:50,600
In the interest of giving the citizens of farmers branch, what they do want is a pretty straightforward conversation.

1823
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And in this case, the answer is yes.

1824
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Thank you.

1825
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Thank you.

1826
02:34:56,660 --> 02:34:58,800
Next up is Jason Ennis.

1827
02:35:06,700 --> 02:35:36,680
Hello, Jason and us, one, two, five, two, three, Royal Oaks Lane. I'm also here to speak in favor of the Valley View Road Diet. I moved to Farmer's Branch a few years ago, and I've been surprised by the number of times I've told people I've moved to Farmer's Branch, and they don't know where I'm talking about. I think they think I've lived in some Oklahoma suburb. And it's understandable because until recently, there wasn't much here in Farmer's Branch.

1828
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Thankfully, your work is beginning to change that, and that's why it's important to keep the good work of making farmers branch a better place to live and play,

1829
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rather than just to drive through by following through on the Valley View Road Diet.

1830
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People in or near our new downtown or just visiting should be able to park once and cross the street without fear for their safety.

1831
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could, kids should be able to walk to the park or a little league and a

1832
02:36:04,380 --> 02:36:09,700
grandparent should be able to walk to see their kid or the Firehouse Theatre or

1833
02:36:09,700 --> 02:36:13,160
the new restaurant Mustang station without having to play a game of

1834
02:36:13,160 --> 02:36:17,880
Frogger crossing Valley View Lane. If for some reason you really need to

1835
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:23,540
floor it through Farmers Branch or East West where we have LBJ, the Bush, even

1836
02:36:23,540 --> 02:36:25,000
belt line to do that.

1837
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:32,680
Every morning, I drive north on 35, I cross over Valley View when I'm crossing north

1838
02:36:32,680 --> 02:36:35,920
at 5060, even rush hour-ish.

1839
02:36:36,340 --> 02:36:39,760
I have three lanes of travel going north on I-35.

1840
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:46,800
I find it hard to believe that Valley View, not an interstate highway, also needs three lanes

1841
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of traffic.

1842
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:52,100
I know we're expanding I-35, but I'm zoom in and I have three lanes.

1843
02:36:52,100 --> 02:36:59,040
Loona was recently reduced to two and even one lane of traffic for construction and there

1844
02:36:59,040 --> 02:37:06,000
was no major chaos or traffic problem. I live right there, maybe I had to wait for a

1845
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:12,780
couple of extra cars, there was no problems. So a slight slowdown for a road diet of 0.3

1846
02:37:12,780 --> 02:37:21,620
miles or just 1,584 feet is not a big issue. I think school zones are often as long.

1847
02:37:22,240 --> 02:37:30,440
And if a road diet does affect the speed of traffic on Valley view that much, let's just be honest.

1848
02:37:30,680 --> 02:37:35,540
The overall effect might be that it slows down people to the actual posted speed limit.

1849
02:37:37,530 --> 02:37:42,060
So no one moves or vacations somewhere for the highways, the streets, and

1850
02:37:42,060 --> 02:37:43,340
speeding traffic through neighborhoods.

1851
02:37:43,640 --> 02:37:48,880
You don't go to New York, in Chicago, Charleston and say, yeah, getting a walk around the shops,

1852
02:37:48,880 --> 02:37:56,940
shops, parks, and sites was okay, but the roads, high winds, terrified pedestrians, that's the real attraction.

1853
02:37:57,780 --> 02:38:00,160
You have a chance to keep building farmers branch for

1854
02:38:00,160 --> 02:38:03,680
the people who live here and not just for the cars speeding through.

1855
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I urge you to do so, thank you.

1856
02:38:06,540 --> 02:38:06,860
Thank you.

1857
02:38:08,980 --> 02:38:10,920
Next speaker is Lynn Chaffin.

1858
02:38:17,410 --> 02:38:21,830
Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor, Councilman, city manager, thank you for the opportunity.

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02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:23,290
My name is Lynn Chaffin.

1860
02:38:23,550 --> 02:38:27,050
I am a resident of 1735 Whittington in Farmer's branch.

1861
02:38:27,410 --> 02:38:29,290
I'm a Mercer Crossing resident.

1862
02:38:29,890 --> 02:38:34,970
And I've listened with interest on the gentleman that has spoken in favor of the

1863
02:38:34,970 --> 02:38:36,230
value reconstruction.

1864
02:38:37,150 --> 02:38:39,250
I come from the other side of it.

1865
02:38:39,410 --> 02:38:46,790
I'm concerned about the very fact that it is so small, a distance, so short a distance

1866
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:51,490
is going to have people weaving in and out, cutting people off.

1867
02:38:51,930 --> 02:38:57,170
I think it's going to be really a potential for more traffic accidents.

1868
02:38:57,830 --> 02:39:01,470
And I think you're going to have a problem for bikers.

1869
02:39:01,870 --> 02:39:06,630
And that concerns me, I am not in favor of the reconstruction on value,

1870
02:39:06,930 --> 02:39:09,930
though it desperately needs better sidewalks.

1871
02:39:10,010 --> 02:39:13,270
We do know that in order to be more walkable.

1872
02:39:13,270 --> 02:39:18,750
I would like also to speak about some of the things that are being considered on budget

1873
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cuts.

1874
02:39:19,870 --> 02:39:26,550
As you look at woven, as you look at the city clinic, as you look at mosquito testing

1875
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:33,910
and spraying, mosquitoes have a more elongated cycle now as the climate warms and they're bringing

1876
02:39:33,910 --> 02:39:40,970
us all kinds of even better things like Zika and West Nile and we'll see what's next.

1877
02:39:40,970 --> 02:39:46,090
But I would encourage you to keep that testing and that spraying in the budget.

1878
02:39:46,730 --> 02:39:53,970
Also, as we look at woven, I think you had a very positive response to that presentation.

1879
02:39:53,970 --> 02:39:56,410
I'm sorry I wasn't here for the study session.

1880
02:39:57,130 --> 02:39:59,970
But I think you had a positive feeling.

1881
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:06,540
Following there, also the city clinic, and some of the funding for the libraries, although

1882
02:40:06,540 --> 02:40:15,980
Farmer's Branch has a relative, the census from 2020 had less than 9% poverty rate in

1883
02:40:15,980 --> 02:40:21,180
Farmer's Branch, and that's not bad at all, actually. But if you look at elementary,

1884
02:40:21,340 --> 02:40:26,860
and that was pre-pandemic, but if you look at our elementary schools, the elementary school

1885
02:40:26,860 --> 02:40:32,860
in Farmer's Branch, that is DISD, has a 98% lower socioeconomic population.

1886
02:40:33,540 --> 02:40:39,480
Carrollton Farmer's Branch schools, they have five elementary schools that have Farmer's Branch addresses.

1887
02:40:40,320 --> 02:40:48,980
One of those has 98 to 88% is for four of them and one of them is 60%.

1888
02:40:48,980 --> 02:40:56,300
I would encourage you to keep those services that help the most vulnerable of our population.

1889
02:40:56,300 --> 02:40:59,400
So, thank you very much for your service, for your consideration.

1890
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:01,520
I know this is a hard, hard job.

1891
02:41:02,020 --> 02:41:04,540
So thank you all very much, and thank you for the opportunity.

1892
02:41:05,180 --> 02:41:05,600
Thank you.

1893
02:41:06,580 --> 02:41:08,140
Next up is Terry Anderson.

1894
02:41:15,460 --> 02:41:18,740
Terry Anderson, 26, 44, amount to you.

1895
02:41:19,160 --> 02:41:23,620
And this is going to be a little different, but it'll take a minute.

1896
02:41:24,460 --> 02:41:27,220
Mayor and City Council, I am a heterosexual.

1897
02:41:27,660 --> 02:41:31,280
I am one that is naturally inclined toward reproductive pairing.

1898
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:34,760
I am not proud of it because I had nothing to do with it.

1899
02:41:35,200 --> 02:41:36,280
I was born that way.

1900
02:41:36,560 --> 02:41:38,420
I did not achieve my sexuality.

1901
02:41:39,020 --> 02:41:41,280
Pride without achievement is conceit.

1902
02:41:41,700 --> 02:41:44,740
I would never want my to be known as conceited.

1903
02:41:44,940 --> 02:41:48,920
I would not want my city to create special recognition for people like me.

1904
02:41:49,880 --> 02:41:51,080
My brother is left-handed.

1905
02:41:51,340 --> 02:41:53,920
I understand that he's in a 10% minority.

1906
02:41:54,520 --> 02:41:56,280
He did not achieve left-handedness.

1907
02:41:56,460 --> 02:41:57,380
He was born that way.

1908
02:41:57,380 --> 02:42:02,960
He takes no pride in this somewhat unique trait because that would be conceded.

1909
02:42:03,380 --> 02:42:08,400
He would not want his city to declare special recognition for people like him.

1910
02:42:09,480 --> 02:42:15,040
The alternative sexuality groups have always insisted that sexual status is private and

1911
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:17,940
should not be subject to the scrutiny of others.

1912
02:42:18,680 --> 02:42:25,240
Let's grant the wish in Farmer's branch and keep sexuality private and never again celebrate

1913
02:42:25,240 --> 02:42:32,700
yet another artificial division of humanity led us from now on, restrict special recognition

1914
02:42:33,220 --> 02:42:35,640
for the individual achievement only.

1915
02:42:36,360 --> 02:42:37,680
Thank you very much.

1916
02:42:38,060 --> 02:42:39,840
Next up is Candace Adams.

1917
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:58,980
Candace Adams, 3521 Pebble Beach Drive, and I have a few things that I would like to

1918
02:42:58,980 --> 02:42:59,580
talk about.

1919
02:42:59,960 --> 02:43:06,600
First of all, I'd like to personally thank Council Member Baird for his service.

1920
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:14,040
It is absolutely amazing, and I know it's been difficult, especially with the climate

1921
02:43:14,040 --> 02:43:18,220
and stuff that had been going on, so I really appreciate personally to say thank you

1922
02:43:18,220 --> 02:43:19,420
for your service.

1923
02:43:20,220 --> 02:43:26,080
The other thing that I'd like to talk about is that would it be in spring and summer here,

1924
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:31,540
people are going out more and they're with their pets and staff, and a lot of people are

1925
02:43:31,540 --> 02:43:34,560
letting their pets off leash, okay?

1926
02:43:34,560 --> 02:43:38,500
And I know personally that two or three of my friends have been attacked.

1927
02:43:38,760 --> 02:43:45,280
One of them was attacked at the city park, the dog park, and had severe injuries.

1928
02:43:45,960 --> 02:43:53,660
The other friends pets were killed because people let their dogs off leash.

1929
02:43:54,260 --> 02:43:59,420
I know specifically that there are a couple of people that do it on a daily basis.

1930
02:43:59,420 --> 02:44:17,040
that some of the parks are all hide park over here, they let their dogs off leash and they're aggressive, and they sit back and laugh, or they let their dogs off at the school and let them run and play, but they're aggressive and they can't control them.

1931
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:27,280
The thing that I would like for us to do is to have our animal control people get with the code enforcement people.

1932
02:44:27,280 --> 02:44:40,420
And there are a lot of dogs, there's a lot of dogs and I see on the next door they get out a lot and some of these are repeat offenders.

1933
02:44:41,100 --> 02:44:50,480
So I would like for the animal control to get with the code enforcement and find out why these pets are getting out.

1934
02:44:50,480 --> 02:44:59,960
Is it something that we could do as the city and maybe have a team building event for the city of farmers branch and go to these that may be

1935
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,380
The elderly widows, what have you lower income, not able to repair the fence and let us go and do what we can do to eliminate that situation. And it would be a great team building event for our city. It would also have intermingling with departments since the parks and wrecks may not have a lot of interaction with the executive parts of our city.

1936
02:45:29,380 --> 02:45:39,940
and maybe this team building event would help, and it would also encourage our citizens to report the issues that they need help with.

1937
02:45:40,440 --> 02:45:48,660
Our church has a public, I mean, a day that we go out into the city, and we take care of people's yards.

1938
02:45:49,080 --> 02:45:55,980
We paint inside their house, we fix their porch up, and it would be fun to be able to do that.

1939
02:45:56,200 --> 02:45:56,720
Thank you.

1940
02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:57,400
Thank you.

1941
02:45:58,160 --> 02:45:59,900
Next speaker is Rick Johnson.

1942
02:46:09,780 --> 02:46:11,580
Council members, Mayor Rick Johnson,

1943
02:46:11,960 --> 02:46:13,540
Carly Drug, Farmer's Branch, Texas.

1944
02:46:14,820 --> 02:46:18,500
There are many times that rumors get started

1945
02:46:18,840 --> 02:46:19,840
and things happen.

1946
02:46:20,580 --> 02:46:23,400
And they're detrimental, especially to the people

1947
02:46:23,400 --> 02:46:24,220
who sit on the council.

1948
02:46:24,340 --> 02:46:25,920
There's many times that Mr. Lynn,

1949
02:46:26,420 --> 02:46:28,040
I've stuck up for him and his family

1950
02:46:28,040 --> 02:46:30,160
because people were spread and lies in rumors.

1951
02:46:31,160 --> 02:46:34,620
This seems like it's becoming a regular thing, you know?

1952
02:46:34,620 --> 02:46:42,180
know, at the time the cutbacks came out, there were things that weren't touched, and then

1953
02:46:42,180 --> 02:46:45,720
there were things, oh, we're going to close the library, we're going to do this, we're

1954
02:46:45,720 --> 02:46:46,100
going to do that.

1955
02:46:46,320 --> 02:46:52,220
We've outsourced so much stuff, we've had so much money saved, there's a problem with

1956
02:46:52,220 --> 02:46:57,100
the spending and how the money's handled, that's where it's at, and to turn around and put

1957
02:46:57,100 --> 02:47:03,260
that rumor out there, and to bring that forth, basically, you made all this political.

1958
02:47:03,940 --> 02:47:06,680
and that's wrong. That should have never been done.

1959
02:47:07,320 --> 02:47:12,600
With that being said, there's some of you that are now going around telling people,

1960
02:47:12,700 --> 02:47:16,960
well, there's certain council members now that it's their fault.

1961
02:47:17,120 --> 02:47:22,620
Even though Mr. Rogers or Neil Rogers, excuse me, stood up and said, no,

1962
02:47:22,780 --> 02:47:26,280
that's not what it was about or anything. Even after that, it's happening.

1963
02:47:27,040 --> 02:47:29,940
I want to sit here and I want to apologize to Neil,

1964
02:47:30,820 --> 02:47:34,940
Martin Baird, Omar Roman, because they've been the butt of this.

1965
02:47:35,860 --> 02:47:37,860
And shame on you guys for doing that.

1966
02:47:38,420 --> 02:47:39,740
You need to get your act together.

1967
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:41,980
You need to learn how to budget money.

1968
02:47:42,420 --> 02:47:48,420
You don't need to overspend if there was a previous council and city manager that put us

1969
02:47:48,420 --> 02:47:49,200
in this position.

1970
02:47:49,240 --> 02:47:54,760
You need to come forward and tell the city that, the citizens because we need full disclosure.

1971
02:47:55,300 --> 02:47:56,240
That's transparency.

1972
02:47:56,240 --> 02:48:01,280
which I believe many of you ran on, but it doesn't seem to equate.

1973
02:48:01,900 --> 02:48:05,100
With that being said, we don't need to take out any roads.

1974
02:48:05,660 --> 02:48:07,420
We've tried skin-in roads before.

1975
02:48:08,100 --> 02:48:11,940
Look at golf and green between Brookhaven and Brookhaven Club.

1976
02:48:12,020 --> 02:48:12,760
What happened there?

1977
02:48:13,560 --> 02:48:14,440
Well, you know what?

1978
02:48:14,600 --> 02:48:18,380
We spent basically what ended up being about $200,000

1979
02:48:18,380 --> 02:48:21,560
after we had to tear it out because it was a horrible idea.

1980
02:48:21,960 --> 02:48:23,520
This is a much more bigger thing.

1981
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:32,720
We don't want to be uptown. You don't need to sit there. What you need to do is make it easier for people to get through the city and out because they're going to come whether you do that or not.

1982
02:48:33,440 --> 02:48:38,580
The apartments and stuff that you want to build. You want to know what you built all that stuff on the west side.

1983
02:48:39,240 --> 02:48:44,600
We don't have hardly knew anything. We don't have a grocery store. It's quality, not quantity.

1984
02:48:45,620 --> 02:48:50,100
We don't, we like our city being a hometown. You shouldn't cut anything.

1985
02:48:50,600 --> 02:48:55,740
you know maybe you need to search deep inside and if we don't have somebody that

1986
02:48:55,740 --> 02:49:00,820
can make that happen maybe we need to get somebody you know just like the

1987
02:49:00,820 --> 02:49:05,140
room oh well if we don't do this then all these employees are gonna leave well

1988
02:49:05,140 --> 02:49:10,880
we did that and guess what they all left anyways so the scare tacky ticks that are

1989
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:13,580
Our youth are wrong and shame on you.

1990
02:49:14,500 --> 02:49:14,800
Thank you.

1991
02:49:16,200 --> 02:49:17,340
Next step is,

1992
02:49:19,340 --> 02:49:20,300
Shyam Sundar,

1993
02:49:24,940 --> 02:49:26,300
and I couldn't read your last name.

1994
02:49:29,010 --> 02:49:31,270
Thank you, Council for letting me be here.

1995
02:49:31,550 --> 02:49:31,930
Good evening.

1996
02:49:32,310 --> 02:49:37,110
My name is Shyam Sundar Ganeshram, and I live at 1-1-6-4 Gansal's drive, Frisco, Texas.

1997
02:49:37,930 --> 02:49:41,450
I'm against the dark budget cuts as I have friends and family who take dark often.

1998
02:49:41,810 --> 02:49:45,850
Some who are elderly family members who have no alternative to taking dark.

1999
02:49:45,850 --> 02:49:51,490
However, many of them are unable to afford privately owned transportation, specifically meant for wheelchair use.

2000
02:49:52,010 --> 02:49:57,290
I believe that cutting the funds would negatively affect the service, causing people to struggle with getting to where they need.

2001
02:49:57,650 --> 02:49:59,970
This past week, I have surveyed people riding dirt and

2002
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:18,660
Farmer's branch, and found out that almost all the people who are surveyed, who are surveyed, rely on DART, as their only method of transportation, and we're shocked to hear that the budgets might be cut down for DART. DART needs to go forward, especially in the city, with many people who rely on DART, as their only method of transportation. Thank you. Thank you.

2003
02:50:23,150 --> 02:50:27,110
And next up is Adair Kanta.

2004
02:50:38,060 --> 02:50:42,240
Hello. My name is Abair Aranda. I am at 2946.

2005
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:49,320
South Sunbeck Circle, to 6-3, I echo a lot of what some of the people here, specifically

2006
02:50:49,320 --> 02:50:52,360
on the Dart Funding Cuts.

2007
02:50:54,890 --> 02:50:59,210
So this is a huge gamble as are a lot of public policy decisions.

2008
02:50:59,810 --> 02:51:07,370
And in public policy, there is a lot of qualitative data that you cannot get from spreadsheets, right?

2009
02:51:07,370 --> 02:51:26,730
All I ask is for you guys to use the dark outside of the fair, outside of game days, use the bus, use this go zone, use dark before making a decision because it is on track of doing very, very great things.

2010
02:51:26,730 --> 02:51:30,090
and if you're gambling with cutting some of these services,

2011
02:51:30,750 --> 02:51:35,430
then you are affecting the quality of life of people

2012
02:51:35,430 --> 02:51:38,410
as this gentleman before me said,

2013
02:51:38,910 --> 02:51:42,190
sometimes it's the only way of getting around.

2014
02:51:42,350 --> 02:51:43,650
It's our only mode of transportation.

2015
02:51:45,310 --> 02:51:50,490
And I also want to just say about the Valley View Lane road diet.

2016
02:51:50,870 --> 02:51:51,370
Amazing.

2017
02:51:51,770 --> 02:51:55,430
I advocate for anything that slows cars down.

2018
02:51:55,430 --> 02:52:02,070
that means it's safe, I personally don't drive a car but any time I walk near

2019
02:52:02,070 --> 02:52:07,930
sidewalk specifically that stretch of value view it is horrifying. So anything

2020
02:52:07,930 --> 02:52:12,910
to slow the traffic down in that stretch would be great. Thank you. Thank you.

2021
02:52:13,130 --> 02:52:14,330
Sorry from his pronouncing your name.

2022
02:52:17,010 --> 02:52:18,830
That is all the folks that I had signed up

2023
02:52:18,830 --> 02:52:24,330
to speak this evening so we'll move on to our next item which is our consent

2024
02:52:42,130 --> 02:52:45,670
May I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as presented?

2025
02:52:47,570 --> 02:52:48,610
Thank you.

2026
02:52:52,750 --> 02:52:54,390
Thank you, Councilman Reed.

2027
02:52:55,610 --> 02:52:56,610
We have motion in a second.

2028
02:52:56,790 --> 02:52:57,990
If you would please indicate your vote.

2029
02:53:13,620 --> 02:53:14,780
Motion passes unanimously.

2030
02:53:15,160 --> 02:53:15,880
Thank you very much.

2031
02:53:16,960 --> 02:53:18,060
Next up is public hearing.

2032
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:26,640
Item L1, Conductive Public Hearing, and consider adopting ordinance number 3869 for an industrial development.

2033
02:53:27,180 --> 02:53:36,880
Approximately 7.36 acres located at 1751 Valley View Lane within the Plan Development District, number 77, and take appropriate action.

2034
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:43,380
Good evening, Mayor and Council, Lily Sutton, planner.

2035
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:49,220
And tonight we're going to be discussing a potential industrial development at 1751 Valley View Lane.

2036
02:53:49,220 --> 02:53:52,600
This property is within PD77.

2037
02:53:53,280 --> 02:54:00,040
PD77 does allow for manufacturing, where housing and distribution, as well as office uses.

2038
02:54:00,520 --> 02:54:06,820
However, PD77 was approved with a conceptual site plan for a parking lot.

2039
02:54:07,800 --> 02:54:15,340
So in order to replace the conceptual site plan, or I'm sorry, this amendment would replace that conceptual site plan.

2040
02:54:15,340 --> 02:54:22,700
So get rid of the parking lot site plan and then the warehouse and distribution as well as office space.

2041
02:54:25,780 --> 02:54:29,760
So the proposed improvements do meet the current standards.

2042
02:54:30,380 --> 02:54:33,980
There are a few special exceptions that the applicant is requesting.

2043
02:54:34,580 --> 02:54:37,300
One is in relation to the parking ratios.

2044
02:54:38,120 --> 02:54:42,640
They are continuing with the PD77 parking ratio requirement.

2045
02:54:42,640 --> 02:54:50,240
However, they are requesting a parking ratio for warehouse and distribution of one parking space per 2,000 square foot.

2046
02:54:51,340 --> 02:54:55,400
This is consistent with our comprehensive zoning ordinance, our CZO.

2047
02:54:55,900 --> 02:54:59,960
And in terms of the landscaping, they comply with both the square footage as well as the-

2048
02:55:12,680 --> 02:55:13,440
So,

2049
02:55:16,830 --> 02:55:30,810
this designation in our comprehensive plan does call for the preservation of industrial uses. And this is consistent with our comprehensive plan. And on June 10th, the Planning and Zoning Commission unanimously recommended approval of this request.

2050
02:55:32,110 --> 02:55:34,870
And with that, I will open up to any questions.

2051
02:55:35,530 --> 02:55:36,430
Thank you very much.

2052
02:55:36,770 --> 02:55:38,170
Council, any questions?

2053
02:55:38,650 --> 02:55:39,190
Council in the room.

2054
02:55:41,150 --> 02:55:46,970
Is there going to be any storage of any types of vehicles at this location?

2055
02:55:49,610 --> 02:55:58,590
On the site plan, they are proposing a potential future parking space for trailer storage.

2056
02:55:59,110 --> 02:56:06,830
That would have to go through a special use permit or specific use permit, so that would come back for Council approval.

2057
02:56:07,650 --> 02:56:09,910
So it's listed on the site plan, but it would still have to come back.

2058
02:56:10,290 --> 02:56:11,690
Okay, that's it for me.

2059
02:56:13,710 --> 02:56:14,370
Anybody else?

2060
02:56:17,500 --> 02:56:19,620
Okay. Well, this item is marked for action.

2061
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:23,590
May I make a motion?

2062
02:56:23,870 --> 02:56:24,530
Excuse me, wait a minute.

2063
02:56:24,650 --> 02:56:25,130
Wait, I'm sorry.

2064
02:56:25,210 --> 02:56:25,470
I'm sorry.

2065
02:56:26,170 --> 02:56:26,710
I'm out of state.

2066
02:56:27,370 --> 02:56:28,550
This is the public hearing.

2067
02:56:28,870 --> 02:56:30,690
I do not have anybody signed up to speak to this.

2068
02:56:30,690 --> 02:56:32,790
Any comments?

2069
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:34,770
Seeing none.

2070
02:56:35,630 --> 02:56:41,330
Mayor, make a motion to close the public hearing and approve ordinance number 3869 as presented.

2071
02:56:44,550 --> 02:56:44,970
A second.

2072
02:56:46,330 --> 02:56:47,110
Thank you.

2073
02:56:47,190 --> 02:56:48,130
Motion and second.

2074
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:51,430
If you would please indicate your vote.

2075
02:56:55,220 --> 02:56:55,960
Motion passes.

2076
02:56:56,620 --> 02:56:57,220
You're not asleep.

2077
02:56:57,380 --> 02:56:58,020
Thank you very much.

2078
02:56:58,280 --> 02:56:58,580
Thank you.

2079
02:57:01,360 --> 02:57:07,800
Next up is item L2, conduct a public hearing, and consider adopting ordinance number 3873 to amend the

2080
02:57:07,800 --> 02:57:12,580
comprehensive zoning ordinance related to residential garage conversions and take appropriate action.

2081
02:57:16,760 --> 02:57:20,600
Good evening, Mayor and Council, Sarah Bergman, Deputy Director of Planning.

2082
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:30,120
So residential garage conversions is a topic that's been discussed by Council a few times over the last year and a half.

2083
02:57:31,220 --> 02:57:40,340
But just to recap, the comprehensive zoning ordinance currently requires that an enclosed garage be provided for all single family homes.

2084
02:57:41,280 --> 02:57:49,020
Conversion of this garage into living space is not permitted unless a new garage is constructed on the property to replace those spaces.

2085
02:57:50,140 --> 02:57:55,300
As we're all aware, there are a number of homes in Farmers Branch that do have converted garages already.

2086
02:57:56,020 --> 02:57:59,620
And many of these do not have that additional garage on the property.

2087
02:58:00,480 --> 02:58:06,440
In fact, a city-wide survey completed in 2023.

2088
02:58:06,440 --> 02:58:13,020
did identify over 1,000 garage conversions that do not have permitting records with the city.

2089
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:22,240
And so this greats an issue, especially when a homeowner is coming in to pull a permit for the remodel or repair of their home.

2090
02:58:22,380 --> 02:58:30,320
And then staff identifies that a garage conversion has occurred without permits and that permit cannot be processed because of that.

2091
02:58:30,320 --> 02:58:35,980
And so the option for homeowners at that point is to either reconvert the garage back into

2092
02:58:35,980 --> 02:58:39,860
vehicle storage space or to construct another garage on the property.

2093
02:58:40,640 --> 02:58:44,220
And those options are often not financially feasible for homeowners.

2094
02:58:47,320 --> 02:58:52,780
As a result, the council has discussed a possible amnesty program to allow homeowners in those

2095
02:58:52,780 --> 02:58:58,760
situations to apply it to legalize the layout of their home with the converted garage without

2096
02:58:58,760 --> 02:59:01,540
constructing another additional garage on the property.

2097
02:59:01,540 --> 02:59:07,980
So, the program being proposed this evening would involve in permit application with the

2098
02:59:07,980 --> 02:59:13,740
community services department, a $100 fee, and an inspection by the city just to determine

2099
02:59:13,740 --> 02:59:17,120
that there are no life and safety violations within the garage.

2100
02:59:17,940 --> 02:59:24,040
If any issues are identified during the inspection, the applicant would be required to correct

2101
02:59:24,040 --> 02:59:26,540
the issues prior to receiving an amnesty permit.

2102
02:59:26,540 --> 02:59:36,200
And the proposed length for this program is 18 months to allow time for staff to notify residents of this opportunity and for applications to be processed.

2103
02:59:39,420 --> 02:59:45,580
So the Planning and Zoning Commission did consider this request on June 10th and they recommended approval with a few changes.

2104
02:59:46,440 --> 02:59:51,000
One of those was that the re-application and extension for

2105
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:59,440
Amnesty program permits be aligned with our building permit process, which allows the building official some flexibility in terms of

2106
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:11,380
Timeline for repairs and for re-application. And then, the ANZ also requested some clarification regarding the re-inspection fees, so that information is provided in your packet.

2107
03:00:13,940 --> 03:00:28,940
So with that, I would be happy to answer any questions. And I do want to clarify that although this is an amendment to the zoning ordinance, the Amnesty program is really being proposed and administered by our community services department. So Danielle Summers is here as well to answer questions.

2108
03:00:29,580 --> 03:00:35,980
Very good. Thank you. Council, any questions or comments? I'll start my right. Councilman.

2109
03:00:37,180 --> 03:00:44,760
Yeah, I've just, you know, a couple of quick questions. How was it that we did, that came

2110
03:00:44,760 --> 03:00:52,500
to land on 18 months as opposed to 12 or 24 or anything else? Sure. That was after, I believe

2111
03:00:52,500 --> 03:00:56,780
it was the second study session meeting with City Council. Staff had originally proposed

2112
03:00:56,780 --> 03:01:05,380
It was closed six, and the feeling was that that was too limited to address all, hopefully 1,000 unpermitted conversions.

2113
03:01:05,840 --> 03:01:11,500
So 18 months is what's being proposed by staff now, but that is up for discussion and could be modified by council.

2114
03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:17,420
So as you believe that at least 1,000 people will be applying for the Samnesty, and that's why you need 18 months.

2115
03:01:17,960 --> 03:01:24,660
We are going to do our best to notify the community at large, and also specifically these 1,000 people.

2116
03:01:24,660 --> 03:01:28,460
the city cannot require them to apply for any honesty permit but we want to

2117
03:01:28,460 --> 03:01:33,460
advertise the benefits of doing so. And that notification program is via the

2118
03:01:33,460 --> 03:01:40,600
survey that was completed. The notification. So we there was a survey done and

2119
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:46,420
they discovered 1,300 homes or something that was converted. Are we gonna use

2120
03:01:46,420 --> 03:01:50,940
that list of 1,300 addresses whatever for the notification of the prop to the

2121
03:01:50,940 --> 03:01:53,140
property owner specifically or to the.

2122
03:01:56,050 --> 03:01:59,810
Good evening, Mayor and Council, Daniel Summer, Director of Community Services.

2123
03:02:00,530 --> 03:02:05,930
About a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago, code enforcement did a property survey

2124
03:02:07,270 --> 03:02:12,750
where they had a company that drove around all the neighborhoods and they marked general compliance

2125
03:02:12,750 --> 03:02:16,570
issues or whatever, but they also marked if they had a garage or if they didn't have a garage.

2126
03:02:17,390 --> 03:02:22,370
So we have a spreadsheet that we created from that, that we're going to go off of.

2127
03:02:22,370 --> 03:02:39,970
So we did the research to find out if they had any permits on record and then we mark on the spreadsheet if they did or if they didn't and we're going to use that spreadsheet to try to get out as much information as we can to what we figure about a thousand people without us from the street.

2128
03:02:40,310 --> 03:02:44,670
So it's possible that there's a lot more because some people don't have garages facing the street or whatever.

2129
03:02:44,670 --> 03:02:45,030
or so?

2130
03:02:47,790 --> 03:02:48,350
Okay.

2131
03:02:49,090 --> 03:02:50,350
Are we

2132
03:02:53,840 --> 03:03:00,280
opening ourselves for any sort of liability if the property on our cells are property

2133
03:03:00,280 --> 03:03:11,360
with somewhat illegal conversion and they did not notify the buyer or we involved in

2134
03:03:11,360 --> 03:03:12,340
that aspect anyway?

2135
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:16,520
That's a good issue between the buyer and the seller and that between us and them.

2136
03:03:16,520 --> 03:03:29,000
So, the city doesn't have a liability, although there is a pending case right now, where I think we're trying to enforce our existing regulations and an individual's as particular to our judgment and not for damages.

2137
03:03:29,400 --> 03:03:32,640
But in a standard transaction, no, we've got no response.

2138
03:03:32,980 --> 03:03:44,680
Okay. So, it's up to the new buyer, purchaser, to do their due diligence to determine that that property is up to code with respect to any city ordinances.

2139
03:03:44,680 --> 03:03:50,240
Is that correct generally that's one of the things that the public companies are supposed to be doing okay

2140
03:03:52,020 --> 03:03:53,480
That's all I have thank you.

2141
03:03:56,200 --> 03:03:58,440
Thank you Danielle. Thank you, Sarah

2142
03:04:01,400 --> 03:04:05,480
I may have seen some of these pictures and some of these garage conversions

2143
03:04:06,220 --> 03:04:11,440
Do not look good and so I'm anticipating we're gonna have a lot of residents are gonna need

2144
03:04:12,620 --> 03:04:14,480
repairs so that

2145
03:04:14,480 --> 03:04:16,340
their structures are safe.

2146
03:04:16,920 --> 03:04:19,220
We're not in this program asking them to get rid

2147
03:04:19,220 --> 03:04:20,560
of their garage conversion.

2148
03:04:20,940 --> 03:04:24,120
It's an ease of the inspected for safety, correct?

2149
03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:26,200
Correct.

2150
03:04:26,420 --> 03:04:30,140
We're going to go inspect, before we issue the permit,

2151
03:04:30,320 --> 03:04:31,580
we're going to go inspect the property.

2152
03:04:32,120 --> 03:04:35,280
We are only going to inspect that garage conversion area,

2153
03:04:35,700 --> 03:04:37,360
not the whole house, just that area.

2154
03:04:37,960 --> 03:04:40,200
We're going to look for any life and safety issues.

2155
03:04:41,820 --> 03:04:42,800
Exposed electrical.

2156
03:04:44,180 --> 03:04:48,240
sacking ceilings or something like that that poses a life safety issue that we're going

2157
03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:51,680
to try to work with them to get it up to saved.

2158
03:04:54,140 --> 03:04:55,680
Some of these older ones would be really

2159
03:04:55,680 --> 03:04:59,240
hard to get up to current code compliance but we're going to try to work with them to

2160
03:04:59,240 --> 03:04:59,820
at least get it.

2161
03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:10,620
And as far as the exterior goes, it's going to be kind of the same thing if it's considered not safe or whatever. We don't really have.

2162
03:05:14,020 --> 03:05:29,920
We're not going to make them. I think we had this discussion in the past presentations that we're not going to make them change their exterior through this program. We're just trying to get them. A legal means to where when they want to do a remodel or something like that.

2163
03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:32,500
that they have that permit and they can move forward

2164
03:05:32,500 --> 03:05:35,380
with upgrading their home or something like that.

2165
03:05:35,640 --> 03:05:35,740
Right.

2166
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:41,280
So many of these situations, we probably have homeowner

2167
03:05:41,280 --> 03:05:44,740
that bought the home with the garage conversion.

2168
03:05:44,940 --> 03:05:47,860
And at that time there was a certificate of occupancy issued

2169
03:05:48,760 --> 03:05:50,240
when they moved into their home.

2170
03:05:50,400 --> 03:05:52,680
And so they probably think everything's good.

2171
03:05:53,220 --> 03:05:53,580
Correct.

2172
03:05:53,900 --> 03:05:54,020
Right.

2173
03:05:54,940 --> 03:05:58,460
But an inspection under this program may reveal

2174
03:05:58,460 --> 03:06:05,240
that everything's not good, perhaps there's electrical issue or plumbing issue or structural

2175
03:06:05,240 --> 03:06:11,080
issue that they need to address now that maybe existed or not back when they purchased

2176
03:06:11,080 --> 03:06:20,700
their home. So how is the city preparing to deal with the human side of that news with

2177
03:06:20,700 --> 03:06:27,680
their residents? And you may not have an answer. I throw it out there because I think it

2178
03:06:27,680 --> 03:06:32,060
needs to be considered because this is going to come as a shock to some families that may

2179
03:06:32,060 --> 03:06:38,820
not have the resources to bring their home into compliance. It may not realize that

2180
03:06:38,820 --> 03:06:45,100
they're living actually in a very unsafe situation. There may be power lines or something

2181
03:06:45,100 --> 03:06:50,820
or gas lines that are causing an unsafe environment for them that they're learning about for the

2182
03:06:50,820 --> 03:06:54,040
first time and they may not have the funds to rectify that.

2183
03:06:54,040 --> 03:07:02,960
So, I just ask the city, you know, think about, you know, that news and how to handle some of those situations.

2184
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:17,980
Flexibility, I think, is going to be important, perhaps, with timeline, and also think, perhaps, inspection fees.

2185
03:07:17,980 --> 03:07:27,020
I think I said in here that reinspection fees will be required separate permits for modifications will be required.

2186
03:07:31,040 --> 03:07:38,400
The whole point of this program is to make sure that our residents are safe and that their homes are within components of the code.

2187
03:07:38,400 --> 03:07:41,900
It's not about revenue from fees and such.

2188
03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:44,500
And so maybe there's some consideration on the fees.

2189
03:07:44,500 --> 03:07:50,380
I know we have $100 fee, is that a reduced fee, or is that the normal fee?

2190
03:07:51,940 --> 03:07:55,920
That's the fee that we decided upon for this program.

2191
03:07:56,520 --> 03:08:00,940
So it's a new fee, re-inspection fees, those are on case-by-case basis.

2192
03:08:01,180 --> 03:08:06,700
We don't automatically charge people that it depends on the situation because we always try

2193
03:08:06,700 --> 03:08:08,320
to be flexible and work with our residents.

2194
03:08:08,320 --> 03:08:10,080
Okay, all right, very good.

2195
03:08:10,360 --> 03:08:15,020
Well, like I said, I'm supportive of cleaning this area up

2196
03:08:16,920 --> 03:08:20,460
simply for the safety of our residents and, you know,

2197
03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:23,320
for many of them that may have no idea the conditions

2198
03:08:23,320 --> 03:08:27,400
in which they're living, but I think a lot of flexibility

2199
03:08:27,880 --> 03:08:31,380
and compassion is gonna have to be exercised.

2200
03:08:31,560 --> 03:08:33,180
And I know you guys do a great job of that.

2201
03:08:33,700 --> 03:08:34,160
Thank you.

2202
03:08:34,160 --> 03:08:35,180
Thank you.

2203
03:08:35,920 --> 03:08:36,380
Thank you.

2204
03:08:37,260 --> 03:08:38,120
Council Member Lee?

2205
03:08:38,820 --> 03:08:38,960
Yeah.

2206
03:08:39,080 --> 03:08:44,780
Just so I understand this clearly, this only comes into play if the homeowner is looking

2207
03:08:44,780 --> 03:08:55,000
to get a permit to do some work and some other renovations, and then the permit would

2208
03:08:55,000 --> 03:09:00,900
not be granted until the inspection is done on the conversion, or are we going to actively

2209
03:09:00,900 --> 03:09:06,320
We go out to these thousand homes and seek an inspection.

2210
03:09:07,020 --> 03:09:13,280
We are going to actively go out to these thousand homes and work with them to get them permitted.

2211
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:19,000
So they're going to have to apply for a permit first and provide a floor plan so we can

2212
03:09:19,000 --> 03:09:23,720
get an idea of their layout and then we will do an inspection.

2213
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:29,180
So we will work with them through this process to get them so that their garage conversion

2214
03:09:29,180 --> 03:09:32,120
is permitted, which will help them or future buyers.

2215
03:09:32,820 --> 03:09:34,700
Okay, so it's gonna be an active process

2216
03:09:34,700 --> 03:09:35,880
where we go up to them,

2217
03:09:36,300 --> 03:09:37,760
say this is what you need to do

2218
03:09:37,760 --> 03:09:41,600
to bring home under proper permitting standards.

2219
03:09:42,380 --> 03:09:44,360
Yes, we're gonna try to get out as much information

2220
03:09:44,360 --> 03:09:46,100
as many possible ways that we can.

2221
03:09:46,940 --> 03:09:48,240
We're gonna do the whole city,

2222
03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:50,080
but we're also going to do,

2223
03:09:50,320 --> 03:09:52,200
we're gonna focus on those thousand,

2224
03:09:52,320 --> 03:09:54,160
are the thousand, approximately thousand people

2225
03:09:54,160 --> 03:09:58,700
that we know has a garage conversion

2226
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:28,040
So we're going to focus on them, but we're going to try to get information out city-wide, because like I said, there are homes out there that have been converted, that maybe have a rear-entry garage or something that we can't really tell or not. So we're trying to get it out to as many people as possible to allow them to apply for this program. Okay. And if it's a home that's been identified and they don't want to do anything, what's the fact that they're going to be in the same situation they are right now.

2227
03:10:28,540 --> 03:10:34,480
So if they apply for a permit and they haven't received their garage conversion permit and the

2228
03:10:34,480 --> 03:10:39,800
programs over with that might be something we have to discuss in the future but it would

2229
03:10:39,800 --> 03:10:44,500
be like it is now if they apply for a renovation permit and we find that they have a garage

2230
03:10:44,500 --> 03:10:50,300
conversion then they either have to we approach them with I'm sorry you have to either convert

2231
03:10:50,300 --> 03:10:55,860
it back to a garage as our ordinance or we let them leave it as it is you know you either

2232
03:10:55,860 --> 03:11:00,540
have to leave your house as it is, or you have to build another garage is the options

2233
03:11:00,540 --> 03:11:05,140
that they have so they would be still have to comply with those standards if they don't

2234
03:11:05,140 --> 03:11:06,060
apply for this program.

2235
03:11:06,580 --> 03:11:06,820
Okay.

2236
03:11:07,020 --> 03:11:13,300
So if they don't go through the Amnesty program, nothing is really done until they go for

2237
03:11:13,300 --> 03:11:15,140
a permit further down the road.

2238
03:11:15,440 --> 03:11:15,640
Correct.

2239
03:11:16,500 --> 03:11:16,780
Okay.

2240
03:11:17,400 --> 03:11:25,580
And is there any, I know from a taxation standpoint, decad, living space as a component

2241
03:11:25,580 --> 03:11:27,200
of figuring out property taxes.

2242
03:11:27,740 --> 03:11:31,820
Is there any component to that in regards to this?

2243
03:11:32,140 --> 03:11:34,960
So since they've changed the garage,

2244
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:39,440
which is not living space, into living space,

2245
03:11:39,880 --> 03:11:41,440
approximately 400 square feet,

2246
03:11:41,820 --> 03:11:43,120
given a standard two car garage,

2247
03:11:45,570 --> 03:11:48,240
do we do anything in conjunction with decad

2248
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:51,120
in regards to doing an adjustment

2249
03:11:51,120 --> 03:11:52,820
to the living space for the property?

2250
03:11:52,820 --> 03:11:58,620
So, decad gets a, I guess you'll call it download of all our permits.

2251
03:11:59,520 --> 03:12:01,220
I don't know exactly how often it is.

2252
03:12:01,300 --> 03:12:05,400
I don't know if it's once a month or every six months or whatever, but they get a download

2253
03:12:05,400 --> 03:12:08,060
of all of our permits so that they can adjust their records.

2254
03:12:08,680 --> 03:12:12,460
I also know that they do their own surveying and stuff like that.

2255
03:12:12,620 --> 03:12:17,940
Sometimes we do research on decad to discover that some of these ones that we think might

2256
03:12:17,940 --> 03:12:21,320
have a conversion and then we can look at decad and verify it sometimes.

2257
03:12:21,320 --> 03:12:24,920
But they do get our permits so they can adjust as they see.

2258
03:12:25,160 --> 03:12:30,580
Okay, so if it is recognized as a conversion, they go through the permitting, it'll get into the system somehow.

2259
03:12:30,820 --> 03:12:31,060
Correct.

2260
03:12:31,460 --> 03:12:32,740
Okay, that's all I have.

2261
03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:34,200
Councillor Rillman?

2262
03:12:37,810 --> 03:12:45,430
I think one of the reasons we're in the situation is there were just a lot of illegal conversions that had happened over some time.

2263
03:12:46,570 --> 03:12:47,050
And

2264
03:12:49,610 --> 03:12:55,070
for whatever reason it happened and now it's creating issues in your department because you have to tell no to a lot of people.

2265
03:12:55,070 --> 03:13:01,610
and I know it's created some backlog as well in the ZBA when they try and rectify these

2266
03:13:01,610 --> 03:13:03,250
cases and the answers usually know.

2267
03:13:04,870 --> 03:13:10,730
I think what's important other than moving forward with this is that we look at how we

2268
03:13:10,730 --> 03:13:16,170
can better identify and find individuals who might be in the process and maybe they're

2269
03:13:16,170 --> 03:13:20,610
doing it because they don't want to apply for a permit, maybe they're doing it because they

2270
03:13:20,610 --> 03:13:21,010
don't know.

2271
03:13:21,690 --> 03:13:27,890
But for whatever reason it might be, I think we need to work together with our code enforcement team to make sure that we identify

2272
03:13:28,950 --> 03:13:35,970
when it's happening, so that we don't put the council 20 years from now or 30 years from now in the same position,

2273
03:13:35,970 --> 03:13:38,530
and then we have to spend a lot of resources to fix it.

2274
03:13:38,890 --> 03:13:41,930
I think we need to be more proactive at identifying the issue when it's happening.

2275
03:13:42,450 --> 03:13:49,250
Right, and I think is the information that we're trying to put out about this program will include something in there that gives them

2276
03:13:49,250 --> 03:13:51,010
And this is our current code requirement.

2277
03:13:51,450 --> 03:13:57,330
This is your honesty period that you have to get your current situation under compliance,

2278
03:13:57,630 --> 03:13:58,590
but these are our rules.

2279
03:13:58,850 --> 03:14:04,050
And after this today, anything that we find is converted after, if this is approved today,

2280
03:14:04,430 --> 03:14:11,130
then you're still subject to the current code and you would have to convert your garage bill or build another garage.

2281
03:14:11,390 --> 03:14:18,510
So it gives us a starting point to hopefully better find and watch for those kind of converges.

2282
03:14:19,510 --> 03:14:21,450
That's it. That's it. Thank you.

2283
03:14:21,930 --> 03:14:22,810
Councillor Baird?

2284
03:14:23,470 --> 03:14:28,290
Okay. I'd sort of like to just follow up on what Councillor

2285
03:14:28,290 --> 03:14:32,650
Monroe was saying. So we've got 1,35 homes that have converted

2286
03:14:32,650 --> 03:14:43,690
garages. And you made the comment a moment ago that we discuss this now, but if they

2287
03:14:43,690 --> 03:14:47,530
don't come forward to take advantage of the EAM to see program, then we'll have to

2288
03:14:47,530 --> 03:14:49,490
address that at some point.

2289
03:14:51,150 --> 03:14:53,830
I'd rather have this loop closed now.

2290
03:14:54,030 --> 03:14:56,090
I don't think it's a good policy for us to say.

2291
03:14:56,530 --> 03:14:58,630
We want to do one thing, but if people don't comply,

2292
03:15:00,940 --> 03:15:30,840
Then what? We need to decide what that is and build that in to the program. Now, so when we get to the end of the amnesty period, we're prepared to address issues. And so I'm a big stick alarm reporting things to decad. These thousand and 35 homes that have converted space to living space.

2293
03:15:30,840 --> 03:15:35,420
This should all be reported to D-CAT.

2294
03:15:36,280 --> 03:15:41,340
It may take some time to go through and do that, but we should be doing that.

2295
03:15:41,540 --> 03:15:52,560
Because if it's true living space and they're cheating the city on their taxes, and we just need everybody doing the right thing.

2296
03:15:52,560 --> 03:16:04,960
Okay. Number two is if they don't, well, again, if somebody elects not to take advantage

2297
03:16:04,960 --> 03:16:08,940
of the Amnesty program, then what is our next step?

2298
03:16:09,380 --> 03:16:11,300
So I think we need to have that defined.

2299
03:16:12,300 --> 03:16:14,280
Are we going to go after them?

2300
03:16:14,360 --> 03:16:19,820
Do we send them a letter and say you are now, your property is now not in conformance with

2301
03:16:19,820 --> 03:16:27,000
city ordinance and here's what's going to happen. You have to come in, you have to make

2302
03:16:27,000 --> 03:16:35,320
an application, blah, blah, blah, you're subject to whatever fees that might be. I just

2303
03:16:35,320 --> 03:16:43,080
believe that needs to be stated up front so we know what we're headed for because no doubt

2304
03:16:43,080 --> 03:16:47,760
out of 1,000 there's going to be some who just don't do anything. They'll never catch

2305
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:54,740
me, you know, I'll just ride this thing out. Well, that's not necessarily safe because

2306
03:16:54,740 --> 03:17:00,260
we've already said we're concerned about safety. And it's just not the right thing to

2307
03:17:00,260 --> 03:17:09,800
do. So making sure that people are compliant. That's what we do every day. We want neat

2308
03:17:09,800 --> 03:17:15,280
and clean neighborhoods. And that's why we have code enforcement. Well, we want to make

2309
03:17:15,280 --> 03:17:20,760
that we have quality building structures in farmer's branch and that's why we

2310
03:17:20,760 --> 03:17:27,700
have the building inspection team. So it may take quite a while to get around to

2311
03:17:27,700 --> 03:17:31,640
all these places but you know knock on the door from building inspection to

2312
03:17:31,640 --> 03:17:38,620
say you have a converted garage we're here to inspect it you know that's going

2313
03:17:38,620 --> 03:17:44,040
to get somebody's attention. Now I'm owner made aside I'm not letting you in our

2314
03:17:44,040 --> 03:17:55,640
property. That breeds another level of discussion at that point. I think that we

2315
03:17:55,640 --> 03:18:01,380
need to think through this a little bit further and I'd rather see us prepared

2316
03:18:01,380 --> 03:18:07,820
for these variables upfront so we're not coming back here and sort of second

2317
03:18:07,820 --> 03:18:11,860
guessing our own policy or trying to create it on the fly when we've got ten

2318
03:18:11,860 --> 03:18:18,820
people coming before us that all have problems. You came and inspected my house. Well, yes,

2319
03:18:19,080 --> 03:18:25,040
we did because you have something that was done that wasn't approved by the city. Now,

2320
03:18:25,460 --> 03:18:31,780
we're willing to let you have that. It needs to be inspected or the option is you convert

2321
03:18:31,780 --> 03:18:32,220
it back.

2322
03:18:34,860 --> 03:18:39,400
I don't know. Council may feel other ways about that, but I was just going to add

2323
03:18:39,400 --> 03:18:42,820
real quick mayor and council a couple things you know there's a question about

2324
03:18:43,340 --> 03:18:46,460
affording their repairs later on during the continued study session you as

2325
03:18:46,460 --> 03:18:49,280
the council will look at the minor home repair program and it would be applicable

2326
03:18:49,280 --> 03:18:53,060
in this case for any life safety things we found the reason for the amnesty

2327
03:18:53,060 --> 03:18:57,900
discussion was there's so many and so it's how do we fix this moving forward after

2328
03:18:57,900 --> 03:19:00,960
the amnesty program we would treat it just like any other code violation or

2329
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:04,100
zoning violation would give a notice of violation and move forward with it

2330
03:19:04,100 --> 03:19:07,720
hopefully we can convey that through our messaging but we would be expected to

2331
03:19:07,720 --> 03:19:11,620
enforce the ordinances of the City of Armour's Branch, which code enforcement would notice,

2332
03:19:12,080 --> 03:19:16,280
then they'd get a timeframe to either challenge it and go through legal processes or bring it into compliance.

2333
03:19:16,540 --> 03:19:20,300
Our goal is to bring people into compliance the easy way, which is the amnesty program.

2334
03:19:20,860 --> 03:19:26,320
And with 18 months, it'll give us time to close those loops and hopefully bring the majority of these properties into compliance,

2335
03:19:26,520 --> 03:19:29,860
validate that it's been done safely and correctly, and move us past this.

2336
03:19:29,920 --> 03:19:34,840
Because this has been a really tough roadblock, especially for new residents coming into the City of Armour's Branch.

2337
03:19:34,840 --> 03:19:40,300
I realize this has been problematic for a lot of people and I've gone on records since

2338
03:19:40,300 --> 03:19:45,200
day one when we've had our first trash bin saying, you know, I don't want to find people

2339
03:19:45,200 --> 03:19:46,520
out of living in farmers' range.

2340
03:19:46,720 --> 03:19:48,740
I don't, but we want compliance.

2341
03:19:49,660 --> 03:19:51,460
And so how can we achieve that?

2342
03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:58,300
And so sometimes you have to resort to some type of penalty.

2343
03:19:58,300 --> 03:19:59,980
and I'm okay with-

2344
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,980
But I think giving this amnesty period, and with a reasonable application fee, $100, seem very reasonable, we've given them time, we've given them financial consideration, and we just, we need their buy-in to do this the right way. So, but if they don't, I'd just like to know, and I think it would be best business practice for us to have

2345
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:34,360
have that determined ahead of time is to, okay, what are the next steps?

2346
03:20:35,360 --> 03:20:38,380
Because right now we don't know what the next steps are, right?

2347
03:20:42,520 --> 03:20:43,760
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

2348
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:47,820
My name is Christina Raimhelt, I'm the code enforcement manager, and kind of reiterating what Ben said.

2349
03:20:48,180 --> 03:20:49,260
That would be our next steps.

2350
03:20:49,380 --> 03:20:53,400
We would work with community services and planning, and we have been working with them through this process.

2351
03:20:53,980 --> 03:20:57,460
Once that amnesty period is completed, then we will move forward and

2352
03:20:57,460 --> 03:21:00,120
treat it exactly as Ben said, just like a code enforcement case.

2353
03:21:00,280 --> 03:21:02,600
We will go out there, we will give them the proper notification.

2354
03:21:02,600 --> 03:21:09,700
And we will ensure that it is brought into compliance because we do want to make sure that these homeowners are safe and that these building structures are safe.

2355
03:21:09,960 --> 03:21:14,660
So we would move forward at that point just as we would normally with our code enforcement cases.

2356
03:21:15,060 --> 03:21:15,900
Okay, very good.

2357
03:21:19,320 --> 03:21:23,720
I agree, I'm all for this program, and I agree with what you were saying.

2358
03:21:24,000 --> 03:21:31,640
And I think we might want to table this for some more clarification because as I understand it, I may be wrong here.

2359
03:21:31,640 --> 03:21:38,300
but on the thousand or so that the city believes have been built in and you're going to put a door hanger at, right?

2360
03:21:40,300 --> 03:21:44,060
We have, yes, she put this slide up here.

2361
03:21:44,460 --> 03:21:51,120
We have several ways we're going to try to reach out between several different departments with the door hangers,

2362
03:21:51,120 --> 03:21:52,740
putting an insert in the water bill.

2363
03:21:53,080 --> 03:22:00,320
My point is, are you going to go up and knock and say, we think you have a built-in garage?

2364
03:22:01,400 --> 03:22:20,680
That might be an approach that we're going to take after we get all this information out kind of see what kind of response we get and then staff as we as we can and we have the availability to go out and the people that aren't responding maybe knock on their door and just try to talk to them and explain to them what this means to them and how it can help them.

2365
03:22:21,060 --> 03:22:28,480
I guess my point mayor is that the city code enforcement has to be standing on public property.

2366
03:22:29,000 --> 03:22:32,420
And they can look, and it's obvious some grudges have been built in.

2367
03:22:32,540 --> 03:22:35,060
It's got a window and a flower bed in front, whatever.

2368
03:22:35,440 --> 03:22:37,680
But we still don't know that it's built in.

2369
03:22:38,780 --> 03:22:39,320
Convert it.

2370
03:22:39,620 --> 03:22:40,160
Convert it.

2371
03:22:40,580 --> 03:22:46,620
And so, the reason why I think we might want to discuss this further is to clarify some of the things that you brought up.

2372
03:22:46,620 --> 03:22:58,380
Because if our goal really is, and it is, safety mainly, then I think that we might get some pushbacker or less uptake.

2373
03:22:58,900 --> 03:23:03,720
on the program, if people think, well, if I let them in to look, but then I don't want

2374
03:23:03,720 --> 03:23:08,760
to go through with it, then they're going to, after the period is over, the city's going

2375
03:23:08,760 --> 03:23:09,720
to come back after me.

2376
03:23:11,440 --> 03:23:20,760
And again, so the city can go in and look at the garage, unless they're given permission,

2377
03:23:21,960 --> 03:23:26,200
help me out here Mr. Attorney, if I'm saying anything incorrectly, unless they're given permission

2378
03:23:26,200 --> 03:23:32,840
by the homeowner or the resident I guess it could be a renter and so I'm just

2379
03:23:32,840 --> 03:23:36,560
wanting to make sure I guess that we do this in such a way that we're going to

2380
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:42,580
get the most possible residents to buy in to it and I think the things that you

2381
03:23:42,580 --> 03:23:47,780
brought out are good points and I'm not sure we can figure the two or three things

2382
03:23:47,780 --> 03:23:51,620
you were talking about here in these few minutes but maybe we can't I don't know.

2383
03:23:52,320 --> 03:23:57,980
So, we're not under a time deadline at this point to get this done, are we?

2384
03:24:03,300 --> 03:24:04,020
Councilman Jackson.

2385
03:24:04,600 --> 03:24:10,200
Mayor, I think the right to inspect is done because the resident applies for permit, right?

2386
03:24:10,420 --> 03:24:16,440
They've received a door hanger, they got a letter in the mail, they know they have a converted garage.

2387
03:24:17,260 --> 03:24:21,360
They're being given an opportunity, as I understand, amnesty programs in general.

2388
03:24:21,360 --> 03:24:29,460
You're given an opportunity to make things right, right, and there's usually some flexibility

2389
03:24:29,460 --> 03:24:35,500
and leniency associated with an amnesty program, like speeding tickets or warrant and that

2390
03:24:35,500 --> 03:24:41,880
kind of thing, not that I've ever had to participate in an amnesty program for that reason, but

2391
03:24:41,880 --> 03:24:43,320
that's my understanding.

2392
03:24:43,320 --> 03:24:50,860
And so, while you may not have your communication plan perfected yet, I think it's sufficient

2393
03:24:51,460 --> 03:24:57,420
that we're letting these, you know, thousand or so residents know, door hanger, a letter

2394
03:24:57,420 --> 03:24:59,960
in the mail. Periodic updates, if we have not.

2395
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:28,920
I heard from them that you have an opportunity to come in, get a permit, let us come take a look. It may end right there. Everything may be fine. Gas lines are good. Electric's good. Everything's good. It may end right there. But I'm not the lawyer, but it seems to me in reading through the ordinance that if they do not reveal this during an amnesty program, we go back to enforcement.

2396
03:25:28,920 --> 03:25:33,320
and that's already set in our current code enforcement ordinances.

2397
03:25:34,060 --> 03:25:38,460
It's not a, and maybe this wasn't articulated well earlier,

2398
03:25:38,660 --> 03:25:42,120
it's not a, well, we wait until something happens or nothing happens.

2399
03:25:42,660 --> 03:25:46,200
We go back to enforcement, affirmative enforcement because it is about

2400
03:25:46,200 --> 03:25:52,040
resident safety, and I would suggest that if the city suspected

2401
03:25:52,040 --> 03:25:57,100
or knew that there was some kind of unsafe condition in a garage conversion

2402
03:25:57,100 --> 03:26:03,020
next door to my house and that thing catches on fire and it burns my house down and I have proof

2403
03:26:03,020 --> 03:26:11,120
the city knows I'm coming to the city because it didn't enforce the codes or ordinances on the books

2404
03:26:11,120 --> 03:26:17,060
with that homeowner. So I'm prepared to pass this and get moving because I don't really feel like

2405
03:26:17,640 --> 03:26:22,020
there's a whole lot of time to waste here albeit we're not under the constraint.

2406
03:26:23,340 --> 03:26:28,820
I agree with you, Councilman Jackson, I guess the tweak I was thinking of is that once somebody

2407
03:26:28,820 --> 03:26:34,360
agrees for the city to come in and look at the place, they know that they're either, they

2408
03:26:34,360 --> 03:26:35,700
know they're going to have to fix it.

2409
03:26:36,360 --> 03:26:42,520
The problem becomes if people see it and think, well, I don't know, maybe they'll find other

2410
03:26:42,520 --> 03:26:48,320
things or maybe you know, and that there might be a, we don't know who's going to react

2411
03:26:48,320 --> 03:26:56,960
which way but there may be a fairly large number of residents or homeowners that decide not to do it because they're just a little skittish about it.

2412
03:26:57,640 --> 03:26:58,660
That's all I was saying.

2413
03:26:59,160 --> 03:27:03,720
I just totally understand that once they say it's okay to come in, we're good to go.

2414
03:27:04,040 --> 03:27:05,240
That I totally understand that.

2415
03:27:05,480 --> 03:27:13,380
I understood and if that's the case, if a homeowner gets the notice and they want to try to skirt the thing, that's their problem and it is a problem.

2416
03:27:13,380 --> 03:27:19,940
So I would assume that the permitting process is also quite explanatory about here's what's

2417
03:27:19,940 --> 03:27:20,440
going to happen.

2418
03:27:20,600 --> 03:27:21,800
We're going to come and inspect your property.

2419
03:27:22,040 --> 03:27:26,640
Here's the rules, the codes, yada, yada, yada, everything's going to be real transparent

2420
03:27:26,640 --> 03:27:29,840
clearly on what needs to be done, what their role is, what our role is, right?

2421
03:27:30,240 --> 03:27:30,440
Correct.

2422
03:27:31,160 --> 03:27:35,140
I think that the key to this program is going to be communication because there are going

2423
03:27:35,140 --> 03:27:38,500
to be a lot of residents out there that are going to worry about what I'm going to let

2424
03:27:38,500 --> 03:27:41,500
these people in my house, what are they going to do, and what are they going to find.

2425
03:27:41,500 --> 03:27:48,500
And so the key is going to be to get out the information that this is how the program is going to work.

2426
03:27:48,660 --> 03:27:52,580
This is the benefit to you, and then keep getting it out there.

2427
03:27:52,780 --> 03:27:56,800
Whether it needs to be, please come talk to us, we'll help you through this program.

2428
03:27:57,580 --> 03:28:02,300
And because we really want to help our residents, we don't want to continue them having this problem and

2429
03:28:02,300 --> 03:28:04,320
us having to be the bad people at the city.

2430
03:28:04,320 --> 03:28:15,060
And so the plan is to just get out as much transparent communication as possible with how it's going to work and what the benefit is going to be.

2431
03:28:15,260 --> 03:28:21,900
And then put it out in different ways throughout that 18 months so that we can cover and pull in as many people as we can.

2432
03:28:22,080 --> 03:28:31,560
And if that means that we have to go knock out as inspectors and me have to go knock on some doors and say, hey understand you might be worried about this, but let me help you.

2433
03:28:31,560 --> 03:28:35,040
And see if we can get as many of these people in as possible.

2434
03:28:35,240 --> 03:28:46,380
It's possible in this situation you might have renters in the house that maybe have been trying to rectify an unsafe situation in their home with the owner for a long time in the owner's decline.

2435
03:28:47,100 --> 03:28:56,980
So in that case the city is actually advocating for the resident and they're saying there's also a situation where there might be a situation so dangerous that that family needs to vacate that house immediately.

2436
03:28:58,620 --> 03:28:58,700
Right?

2437
03:28:59,720 --> 03:29:06,040
Those are possible scenarios, and so I just raised that as something to consider.

2438
03:29:10,600 --> 03:29:25,320
I do want to make sure that we, when we're communicating with our residents about this, that we use plain English and communicating exactly what's going on, because sometimes the codes can be a bit intimidating or they can gloss over them because it's legal ease.

2439
03:29:26,040 --> 03:29:31,210
And also I want to be mindful when we're communicating or if we have to communicate in person or

2440
03:29:31,210 --> 03:29:34,730
or over the phone that we take into consideration,

2441
03:29:34,830 --> 03:29:37,410
the demographic that resident lives in

2442
03:29:37,410 --> 03:29:39,970
to ensure that we've got translation services available.

2443
03:29:40,630 --> 03:29:42,170
Yes, we plan to put everything out

2444
03:29:42,170 --> 03:29:43,450
in both English and Spanish.

2445
03:29:45,010 --> 03:29:45,670
Go ahead.

2446
03:29:47,110 --> 03:29:48,330
I've got one last thing.

2447
03:29:49,590 --> 03:29:52,510
Because kicking, if you do kick the can down the road a bit,

2448
03:29:52,910 --> 03:29:55,810
you're gonna have to run into issues where someone buys a home

2449
03:29:56,150 --> 03:29:59,630
that has a converted garage, where it hasn't been.

2450
03:30:01,020 --> 03:30:05,760
Is there any way that we can extend the amnesty program to that and roll in it?

2451
03:30:09,590 --> 03:30:31,210
So if we end up putting a hold on this, to bring it back at a later time, if that's to do more researcher, whatever your direction is, we'll change our dates. Because we're going to make this effective, whatever date, the city council approves it, and then we'll have 18 months from that date. Right. But what I'm saying is, let's say in two years, someone buys a home.

2452
03:30:31,210 --> 03:30:37,110
So that has a converted garage, it hasn't gone through the permitting process, all right?

2453
03:30:37,610 --> 03:30:44,090
And then that new homeowner, who was not responsible for the original conversion, wants to redo their kitchen.

2454
03:30:44,790 --> 03:30:49,950
And now it's found out that they have a converted garage and they have to go through this whole process.

2455
03:30:51,070 --> 03:30:58,550
Is there any way to extend or create an amnesty situation for a new homeowner?

2456
03:30:59,230 --> 03:31:08,570
so that they're not, you know, they still have to go through the, you know, if they want to get the permit, they still have to go through everything but make sure that they get, you know, some sort of protection.

2457
03:31:10,250 --> 03:31:19,750
So our hope is to capture all of these that we can from today going backwards to where future homeowners won't run into this problem.

2458
03:31:19,750 --> 03:31:21,770
We can't totally predict that.

2459
03:31:22,350 --> 03:31:28,650
We haven't really explored the idea of doing an additional program or extending it for

2460
03:31:28,650 --> 03:31:31,210
just new home buyers, we haven't really explored that.

2461
03:31:31,790 --> 03:31:39,830
And I think maybe to that point, then it brings into question if we're creating specific circumstances of

2462
03:31:39,830 --> 03:31:47,290
abnistee for individuals, then at that point, is the question that I'm now posed with

2463
03:31:48,250 --> 03:31:57,630
is the ordinance relevant? Do we need to continue with it? You know, because if we want

2464
03:31:57,630 --> 03:31:58,010
to,

2465
03:32:03,180 --> 03:32:06,800
that's just what comes into mind. It's the best way I can explain it. It's like, do

2466
03:32:06,800 --> 03:32:10,720
we want to continue enforcing this ordinance after the abnistee program?

2467
03:32:11,960 --> 03:32:17,920
One of the reasons for the 18 month program period is to set a deadline and to discourage

2468
03:32:17,920 --> 03:32:22,040
someone from converting their garage in the future and then claiming that it was done

2469
03:32:22,040 --> 03:32:27,020
previously in coming in for amnesty. The zoning ordinance requires that separate garage,

2470
03:32:27,400 --> 03:32:33,480
that requirement is staying. So after the 18 month period, if someone's not coming into compliance

2471
03:32:33,480 --> 03:32:38,700
through the amnesty program and it were to move into a code enforcement action, the response

2472
03:32:38,700 --> 03:32:42,960
is that the garage would have to be reconverted or constructed, which is a significant cost.

2473
03:32:45,310 --> 03:32:51,090
I was just going to say, I like Councilman Reed's idea, what we could have an 18-month

2474
03:32:51,090 --> 03:32:56,490
program, but we could have an ongoing program that only applies to new home owners,

2475
03:32:56,810 --> 03:32:59,850
and we'd have to verify the title and transfer to something.

2476
03:33:00,330 --> 03:33:01,730
Well, I was just thinking about that.

2477
03:33:01,850 --> 03:33:08,390
So let's just say you've identified one of these homes, and our Amnesty period starts

2478
03:33:09,670 --> 03:33:17,710
September, okay, 18 months from September, then they run out of Amnesty, but 17 months

2479
03:33:17,710 --> 03:33:23,270
from now, that person who owned that house that was not in compliance decides they want

2480
03:33:23,270 --> 03:33:23,990
to sell their house.

2481
03:33:24,210 --> 03:33:30,570
They sell their house, and a new person moves in, buys their house, it's not going to be

2482
03:33:30,570 --> 03:33:36,530
recorded with a title company or anything, so you don't know as a buyer that you have

2483
03:33:36,530 --> 03:33:45,750
potential liability if you will on your property and I bought the house, I'm in there a month

2484
03:33:45,750 --> 03:33:52,130
and I'll sudden somebody from the city shows up and says, oh, you're not in compliance.

2485
03:33:52,690 --> 03:33:57,910
But I think it's easy enough to get around that by saying, hey, here I just bought the house,

2486
03:33:59,330 --> 03:34:03,850
here's my paperwork, show them a closing date, nobody disclosed this to me.

2487
03:34:03,850 --> 03:34:13,410
So, maybe at that point, you've got a new reset, a new clock on that particular property.

2488
03:34:15,250 --> 03:34:16,570
Just something to consider.

2489
03:34:17,470 --> 03:34:19,550
And I will add something.

2490
03:34:19,690 --> 03:34:24,670
This is something that we do see pretty frequently in code enforcement and kind of like David was saying.

2491
03:34:25,330 --> 03:34:27,750
It's a title company that will capture these things.

2492
03:34:27,750 --> 03:34:34,370
And we do have that a lot where somebody will purchase a property and it does have code violations from the previous homeowner.

2493
03:34:34,530 --> 03:34:40,510
So it is something that we do frequently see, we do still enforce it because it is something that still needs to be taken care of to be.

2494
03:34:40,610 --> 03:34:45,790
And if it wasn't captured in title because it wasn't run or whatever the case may be, it is still something that needs to be required.

2495
03:34:46,070 --> 03:34:52,310
So with the MNC program extending, it will be a permanent program at that point because we will consistently have new homeowners.

2496
03:34:52,310 --> 03:34:59,050
but I think that our goal here is by the 18-month mark we will have a code case on the rest of these that have not applied for a permit.

2497
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:19,280
We should hopefully not run into that and we should be able to continue with the enforcement and address them before it transfers hands. But obviously we might still miss a few of them, but it is something frequent that we do see in code enforcement. I think as long as you're raised well in how you move forward and fair with residents, that's all we can ask for.

2498
03:35:21,820 --> 03:35:31,800
I was just going to reiterate what I had posed the question to the attorney that it's upon the buyer to count on the disclosures from the seller.

2499
03:35:31,800 --> 03:35:41,160
I've made that point earlier so I don't know that we need a special circumstance

2500
03:35:41,160 --> 03:35:50,340
for that purchaser. They should do their diligence in following through with

2501
03:35:50,340 --> 03:35:55,640
either an independent inspection like many new homeowners do for their property

2502
03:35:55,640 --> 03:35:58,580
and ensure that disclosures are made by the seller.

2503
03:36:02,240 --> 03:36:03,740
Well the thing is you can't

2504
03:36:03,740 --> 03:36:10,800
ensure that the disclosure is made by the seller, you know, and a home inspection with you

2505
03:36:10,800 --> 03:36:14,660
by a property, one of the inspectors is just going to go in and check it, you know,

2506
03:36:14,940 --> 03:36:16,940
make sure everything works properly and all that.

2507
03:36:17,360 --> 03:36:24,720
They're not going to comment on permitting or anything in regards to the home.

2508
03:36:25,080 --> 03:36:29,480
They're just going to expect it for functionality, safety, security, all that stuff.

2509
03:36:30,680 --> 03:36:39,580
I guess you could almost say it's a somewhat qualifies a latent defect if somebody buys a house

2510
03:36:39,580 --> 03:36:44,760
seller did not disclose that the garage was not in compliance and that code enforcement

2511
03:36:44,760 --> 03:36:50,880
or that they had received a letter from the city or code enforcement and they neglect

2512
03:36:50,880 --> 03:36:57,780
to report that to the buyer, buyer then obviously has some means for going after it.

2513
03:36:57,780 --> 03:36:59,340
It's just not fair to the buyer.

2514
03:37:00,040 --> 03:37:03,360
It's just not fair to them, but so good.

2515
03:37:03,500 --> 03:37:04,540
Yeah, I mean, I agree.

2516
03:37:04,640 --> 03:37:06,780
I think the way it's structured now is great.

2517
03:37:06,880 --> 03:37:10,340
And I think we'll figure out what the results of all

2518
03:37:10,340 --> 03:37:13,640
of this effort is at the end of the 18 month period.

2519
03:37:14,280 --> 03:37:16,100
And at that point, if we have, I mean,

2520
03:37:16,120 --> 03:37:19,700
maybe we do get over 90% compliance, and we're all happy.

2521
03:37:20,940 --> 03:37:21,940
Maybe it's not there.

2522
03:37:21,980 --> 03:37:25,020
And then we revisit it and see if one, if we even want to

2523
03:37:25,020 --> 03:37:30,860
still enforce, you know, where people have a garage or two, we extend it even further

2524
03:37:30,860 --> 03:37:35,580
or we create special circumstances, but maybe we just move forward with it the way it

2525
03:37:35,580 --> 03:37:40,560
is now, see how it goes. It's a new program that we've not done before. So there's probably

2526
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:45,540
a lot of things that we'll learn along the way, but I think we have sufficient time to figure

2527
03:37:45,540 --> 03:37:51,860
that out. And then we're not bound by anything to not do this again if we wanted to.

2528
03:37:51,860 --> 03:37:52,080
Yeah.

2529
03:37:53,060 --> 03:37:53,560
Correct.

2530
03:37:53,780 --> 03:37:58,500
And when the program is over, we will bring you information on how the program worked and

2531
03:37:58,870 --> 03:38:03,860
how many compliance people promise we issued and we'll bring all that back to you.

2532
03:38:04,880 --> 03:38:11,500
Do you have any, have y'all thought through what the percentages will be for uptake and then

2533
03:38:11,500 --> 03:38:19,340
also for how many you might be able to go in with code that don't take, keep up on the offer?

2534
03:38:19,340 --> 03:38:31,620
I mean, it's really hard to predict that because you have quite a variety throughout the city of different kinds of conversions and stuff, so it's just, I don't know how we would predict that.

2535
03:38:35,220 --> 03:38:43,540
I would agree with Council and Roman that we move forward with the program as it's, or this ordinance as it's presented.

2536
03:38:44,020 --> 03:38:51,360
I just like to make sure that the planning and zoning comments regarding the re-application and extensions

2537
03:38:51,360 --> 03:38:57,600
questions come in line with other standard building permits and such.

2538
03:38:58,280 --> 03:39:10,380
But I'd like maybe once this program starts, we could come back after say 12 months of the 18 month and see kind of where we are and what issues we might need to clean up or adjust.

2539
03:39:12,660 --> 03:39:14,400
Okay, any other comments from council?

2540
03:39:14,900 --> 03:39:19,040
This is a public hearing, I do not have anybody assigned up to speak to it.

2541
03:39:19,040 --> 03:39:26,480
So, entertain motion to close public hearing and move on item L2.

2542
03:39:27,280 --> 03:39:34,200
May I may make a motion to close the public hearing and approve ordinance number 3873 as presented?

2543
03:39:34,920 --> 03:39:35,280
Very good.

2544
03:39:35,420 --> 03:39:35,800
Thank you.

2545
03:39:41,340 --> 03:39:42,260
I'll second.

2546
03:39:42,980 --> 03:39:43,240
Okay.

2547
03:39:43,780 --> 03:39:44,620
You have comments?

2548
03:39:44,980 --> 03:39:45,320
Yes.

2549
03:39:45,480 --> 03:39:50,980
I'd like to ensure the ordinance includes the recommendations by PNZ regarding bringing it

2550
03:39:50,980 --> 03:39:53,200
in alignment with the other building from it,

2551
03:39:53,500 --> 03:39:54,960
and the extensions, et cetera.

2552
03:39:55,280 --> 03:39:57,020
Those changes have been incorporated

2553
03:39:57,020 --> 03:39:58,320
into the ordinance in front of you.

2554
03:39:58,640 --> 03:39:59,360
Okay, thank you.

2555
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:05,120
Okay. We do have a motion with a second, so if you would please indicate your vote accordingly.

2556
03:40:08,990 --> 03:40:28,290
Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. Next up is item M1. Consider accepting the Resonation of Council Member Mark Baird District 2 and adopting ordinance number 3877, calling a special election to be held on November 5, 2024, to fill the unexpired remaining term of office and take appropriate action.

2557
03:40:51,000 --> 03:40:54,960
Good evening, Mayor and Council. With the resignation of Council Member Baird,

2558
03:40:54,960 --> 03:40:58,140
that is going to create a vacancy for District 2.

2559
03:40:58,980 --> 03:41:03,820
There is approximately 22 months left on his term.

2560
03:41:04,680 --> 03:41:08,680
So our city charter states that if there's more than 12 months on a vacancy,

2561
03:41:09,400 --> 03:41:13,080
that we are required to hold a special election within 120 days.

2562
03:41:13,820 --> 03:41:19,000
So a part of this item, there's also an ordinance requesting your approval.

2563
03:41:19,000 --> 03:41:23,800
That's calling a special election that will utilize the upcoming uniform election

2564
03:41:23,800 --> 03:41:31,380
date of November 5th, and also Councilmember Baird will continue to serve through the election,

2565
03:41:31,600 --> 03:41:37,340
so that his district continues to have representation. And I'm happy to answer any questions you

2566
03:41:37,340 --> 03:41:41,220
might have. Thank you. So you're welcome. Questions, comments?

2567
03:41:43,420 --> 03:41:48,480
I'll say just in general, I'm very sorry

2568
03:41:48,480 --> 03:41:55,500
I'm sorry to see Councilman Baird go, I understand why and I mean you're moving, you're

2569
03:41:55,500 --> 03:42:03,540
moving, but the city's going to miss you, the city council's going to miss you and been

2570
03:42:03,540 --> 03:42:07,280
a pleasure to serve with you, so thank you.

2571
03:42:10,700 --> 03:42:12,220
This item is Mark Fraction,

2572
03:42:14,340 --> 03:42:19,420
okay, so I'll reluctantly put forth the motion that moved

2573
03:42:19,420 --> 03:42:22,600
to approve ordinance number 3877 as presented.

2574
03:42:23,240 --> 03:42:23,900
I'll second.

2575
03:42:24,780 --> 03:42:26,000
We have motion in a second.

2576
03:42:26,620 --> 03:42:27,960
That doesn't really feel right.

2577
03:42:28,500 --> 03:42:29,880
You shouldn't be seconding, Pat.

2578
03:42:30,900 --> 03:42:31,380
But okay.

2579
03:42:33,350 --> 03:42:34,270
Should I vote no?

2580
03:42:36,450 --> 03:42:37,310
I might.

2581
03:42:38,390 --> 03:42:41,270
If you would please mark your ballot accordingly.

2582
03:42:48,360 --> 03:42:51,580
The extension is, yes, motion passes unanimously.

2583
03:42:52,560 --> 03:42:52,980
Thank you.

2584
03:42:55,060 --> 03:43:02,940
Next step is item M2, consider proving resolution 2024-116 to support capping the sales and

2585
03:43:02,940 --> 03:43:10,260
used tax revenues paid by the City of Farmer Springs to the Dallisary Rapid Transit Authority and take appropriate action.

2586
03:43:10,940 --> 03:43:18,720
Good evening, Mayor of Council, Joaria Thoreen, Deputy City Manager, the resolution that you have in front of you tonight, resolution number 2024-116.

2587
03:43:18,720 --> 03:43:28,200
It calls for supporting, capping, the sales and use tax revenue paid by the City of Farms Branch to the Dallas, area rapid transit authority.

2588
03:43:29,760 --> 03:43:34,460
We are one of the 13 service member cities to darkboard.

2589
03:43:35,600 --> 03:43:38,280
We are not the only city who are bringing this resolution forward.

2590
03:43:38,400 --> 03:43:44,800
We just have Plano, Roulette, Irwin, and Carolton just approved the same resolution.

2591
03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:51,720
The purpose of this resolution is not to cut the funding today, or now it is just to be in alignment with all other cities.

2592
03:43:52,840 --> 03:44:00,440
Dart receives half of our sales tax, which is equal to 1 cent per year from his range contributes around 22 to 23 million.

2593
03:44:01,440 --> 03:44:07,860
When, according to one report, only in FY 2024, Dart's estimated revenue was around 870 million.

2594
03:44:08,400 --> 03:44:13,600
The concern which are also shared by multiple other cities is the reliability and quality of the services.

2595
03:44:13,600 --> 03:44:16,900
the cleanliness and safety, which is also shared by our residents.

2596
03:44:17,440 --> 03:44:22,000
With the contribution that we make to Dart, is this what our taxpayers deserve?

2597
03:44:22,500 --> 03:44:26,480
Or a question we are also asking, is are we subsidizing for the services that are being

2598
03:44:26,480 --> 03:44:27,380
provided to other cities?

2599
03:44:28,920 --> 03:44:33,540
The action I'm requesting tonight is passing the resolution, which supports the

2600
03:44:33,540 --> 03:44:36,940
contribution from existing one cent to the three-quarter of the cent.

2601
03:44:37,380 --> 03:44:41,140
We will join other city for 2025 legislative session next year.

2602
03:44:41,900 --> 03:44:48,080
With the reduction, our voters will have the ability to allocate one quarter of a cent,

2603
03:44:48,680 --> 03:44:53,260
which is equal to five to six million annual that we can use to our different projects.

2604
03:44:53,880 --> 03:44:57,620
This is all the information I have for you to discuss and give us guidance.

2605
03:44:57,960 --> 03:44:58,260
Thank you.

2606
03:44:58,260 --> 03:44:59,460
Thank you.

2607
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,600
Thank you. I think it's really important at this point, just to clarify for anybody listening or here tonight, the City of Farmers Branch is not dropping out of dark. We are not eliminating dark service. So I want to make sure that everybody understands that. We are not eliminating dark service. There's been an effort by many of the member cities to reduce their 1 cent

2608
03:45:29,560 --> 03:45:36,360
sales tax contribution to DART, which has been in place since day one.

2609
03:45:37,580 --> 03:45:44,740
And I've sat in a lot of meetings, I've had discussions with Gary Slagel, Chairman of the Board of DART,

2610
03:45:46,240 --> 03:45:58,470
regarding this, and this is just an indication of what we would like to do.

2611
03:46:00,390 --> 03:46:11,850
moving forward, but they were still be getting the one cent from our city.

2612
03:46:16,460 --> 03:46:17,260
I've

2613
03:46:17,260 --> 03:46:26,360
choose to look at this as more as a realignment of participation. There's parts

2614
03:46:26,360 --> 03:46:36,020
of the service area that Dart serves that certainly utilized our much, much more than our city.

2615
03:46:37,240 --> 03:46:44,400
And there's Dart services that seem to work better for our city versus other services that they offer.

2616
03:46:45,400 --> 03:46:50,320
So we need to take a good hard look at this.

2617
03:46:50,320 --> 03:46:59,600
we need to evaluate this contribution that we've been making over the past 40 years.

2618
03:46:59,700 --> 03:47:08,400
We were an original member city and there are probably other cities that would join Dart.

2619
03:47:08,660 --> 03:47:14,140
They've expressed interest in joining Dart but they don't want to pay the full cent.

2620
03:47:14,140 --> 03:47:24,160
many people, many dark representatives or city representatives say well that's

2621
03:47:24,160 --> 03:47:31,080
not fair because we paid the one cent for 40 years and now why should somebody

2622
03:47:31,080 --> 03:47:32,240
come in and pay less?

2623
03:47:35,460 --> 03:47:39,560
I've sat in these meetings and I'm of the mindset that we

2624
03:47:39,560 --> 03:47:47,660
need to realign our contribution to dark and do it in such a way that it

2625
03:47:48,910 --> 03:47:55,310
It enables DARP to also go after new member cities to expand their network.

2626
03:47:57,850 --> 03:48:05,150
The Regional Transportation Commission is going to be coming out with a report later in the year.

2627
03:48:05,710 --> 03:48:13,050
Trying to project the future of DARP, Ernest and Young, is doing a study for DARP right now.

2628
03:48:14,370 --> 03:48:17,070
And so this is not anything new.

2629
03:48:17,070 --> 03:48:18,030
And

2630
03:48:20,270 --> 03:48:22,210
we are not alone in taking action.

2631
03:48:22,210 --> 03:48:26,550
In fact, Hamilton just voted this evening to do this very action.

2632
03:48:29,410 --> 03:48:31,010
So again,

2633
03:48:33,030 --> 03:48:37,270
we're in it with 12 other cities.

2634
03:48:38,230 --> 03:48:48,310
And the majority of the cities are looking to realign what they are providing dark.

2635
03:48:48,310 --> 03:48:52,970
So Councils, they may have any questions regarding this

2636
03:48:55,820 --> 03:48:58,660
information in the packet, but

2637
03:49:04,320 --> 03:49:05,940
questions, comments?

2638
03:49:07,860 --> 03:49:14,920
I just have a comment. Thank you very much to worry. I don't know just reiterate for those that are here. Can you all hear me out there?

2639
03:49:15,240 --> 03:49:16,680
I've been hearing people can't hear me.

2640
03:49:18,560 --> 03:49:27,740
We're talking about a potential saving to our city of 22 to 23 million every year by moving forward. Is that correct?

2641
03:49:28,100 --> 03:49:30,120
That's not correct, about five.

2642
03:49:30,140 --> 03:49:30,840
Five or six minutes.

2643
03:49:31,180 --> 03:49:32,980
Okay, it's a total of 22 to 23.

2644
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:34,880
Yeah, five or six minutes per saving.

2645
03:49:35,120 --> 03:49:37,480
Regardless, that's, which was pretty significant.

2646
03:49:37,700 --> 03:49:40,100
That's a pretty significant, you know, there.

2647
03:49:40,280 --> 03:49:45,060
So, then again, just to reiterate what the mayor said,

2648
03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:46,660
we're not cutting any service here.

2649
03:49:47,300 --> 03:49:49,440
No plans to do that at this time,

2650
03:49:49,620 --> 03:49:54,600
but the concerns and issues being raised by many

2651
03:49:54,600 --> 03:49:59,660
are the cleanliness, the safety issues surrounding dark.

2652
03:50:00,850 --> 03:50:23,510
There's lots of discussion regarding ridership, ridership is up, ridership is down. I don't know how much the ridership is here, specifically a farmer's branch, but I'm sure it's less than some of these other participating cities. So I just wanted to reiterate that's a five or six million dollar savings. So the residents are clear on that potential savings by moving forward with this.

2653
03:50:26,570 --> 03:50:31,590
Now, I was just made aware of this evening.

2654
03:50:31,590 --> 03:50:43,530
of something that Dart put out, I sort of take exception to this, but it was delivered

2655
03:50:44,010 --> 03:50:54,670
I guess to Carrollton and Farmer's branch and it said this is from Dart, your city

2656
03:50:54,670 --> 03:51:00,810
is going to cut Dart funding by 25%. This means transit will be less safe and have less

2657
03:51:00,810 --> 03:51:04,410
frequent service. I'm not sure about that.

2658
03:51:07,460 --> 03:51:14,080
Dart has blown the curve on what they pay for police officers.

2659
03:51:17,820 --> 03:51:18,800
In fact,

2660
03:51:31,210 --> 03:51:34,870
they have over 400 full-time employees in their police department.

2661
03:51:39,590 --> 03:51:41,370
I think if anything,

2662
03:51:41,510 --> 03:51:47,830
Dart needs to take a look at how they're managing themselves because it's our money. They're using

2663
03:51:47,830 --> 03:51:55,530
our money to compete against our own police department hiring efforts.

2664
03:51:57,260 --> 03:52:00,730
When they come out and say they're going to start everybody $100,000,

2665
03:52:01,540 --> 03:52:06,330
makes it really, really hard for local departments to compete with that.

2666
03:52:07,320 --> 03:52:09,370
It's really an unsustainable model.

2667
03:52:13,760 --> 03:52:17,920
So I can go on and on, I got lots of facts and figures.

2668
03:52:17,920 --> 03:52:38,100
But you all had most of the same information that I had, I think this is why it's really important for us to have regular attendance at the RTC meetings every month, at the Dallas Regional Mobility Coalition meetings every month.

2669
03:52:39,400 --> 03:52:45,540
to be networking with our counterparts or other mayors and city council representatives

2670
03:52:45,540 --> 03:52:50,420
and other cities that are part of Dart because we're

2671
03:52:54,770 --> 03:52:56,870
all we're all fighting to try to save

2672
03:52:56,870 --> 03:53:03,130
tax dollars and with some of the state imposed limitations, budget limitations that we have

2673
03:53:03,710 --> 03:53:07,130
it's really important that we try to bring some of our dollars back to our city because

2674
03:53:07,130 --> 03:53:15,230
I think we know how to spend our money better than another organization, so go ahead.

2675
03:53:16,690 --> 03:53:23,970
Mayor, I'm also aware that we've received a letter tonight, or the afternoon from the CEO of Dart asking us to defer action tonight.

2676
03:53:24,170 --> 03:53:26,190
I'm not supportive of deferring the action.

2677
03:53:26,290 --> 03:53:32,530
I'm supportive of taking the action tonight to support the quarter-cent reduction pursuing that.

2678
03:53:32,530 --> 03:53:37,090
that, regardless of my personal experiences, riding dirt.

2679
03:53:40,760 --> 03:53:50,590
The impact I've seen on our city from dirt is vagrancy, trash, crime, threatening the safety

2680
03:53:50,590 --> 03:53:53,490
of our neighborhoods that were trying to build a Mustang station.

2681
03:53:54,210 --> 03:53:59,270
It's rather convenient for my life not to jump on a train, run downtown for a concert and

2682
03:53:59,270 --> 03:54:00,230
come back on the train.

2683
03:54:01,370 --> 03:54:05,390
The two times we've done that, both times coming back late at night.

2684
03:54:05,390 --> 03:54:14,130
there have been some unsafe situations so I'll echo your comments mayor to tell

2685
03:54:14,130 --> 03:54:21,730
us that will this cut will result in you know less policing or more unsafe

2686
03:54:21,730 --> 03:54:27,410
for reduced services. I find offensive. First it has been paying half of its

2687
03:54:27,410 --> 03:54:33,990
sales tax for 40 years is it? 40 years and they can't seem to police this

2688
03:54:33,990 --> 03:54:40,030
parking lot out here. We've got residents in pretty high dollar town homes right

2689
03:54:40,030 --> 03:54:44,230
here in front of beautiful little Rose Garden area and there's nothing but a

2690
03:54:44,230 --> 03:54:48,170
chain link fence between them and all the trash that comes up here on their

2691
03:54:48,170 --> 03:54:48,510
trains.

2692
03:54:51,390 --> 03:54:57,010
So I do take exception to the threat that that can get worse if we cut our

2693
03:54:57,010 --> 03:54:59,850
funding. I just looked at the dark executive.

2694
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:10,680
Our staff team looks like there's not count of 25-26 executives at DART. I don't know what it takes to run a transportation system, but that seems a bit exorbitant to me.

2695
03:55:14,460 --> 03:55:32,240
Our city, staff and council, every budget season spends an inordinate amount of time scrutinizing expenses and revenue. And we look at that through a lens of trying to save the resident tax dollars while maintaining high quality amenities throughout our city.

2696
03:55:32,240 --> 03:55:33,340
We're doing it right now.

2697
03:55:34,820 --> 03:55:39,980
I'd like to see what Darts doing to make sure that they're making the best use of half

2698
03:55:39,980 --> 03:55:41,380
of our sales tax.

2699
03:55:43,800 --> 03:55:51,340
So I'd like to call the DART one of these 25, two dozen DART executives to come to

2700
03:55:51,340 --> 03:55:58,420
Farmers Branch and explain how they're being fiscally responsible with our sales tax.

2701
03:56:01,580 --> 03:56:02,380
Thank you.

2702
03:56:02,640 --> 03:56:03,240
Councillor Romney.

2703
03:56:06,340 --> 03:56:10,720
We'll provide it. There's no other comment. I was hoping we could move to a motion.

2704
03:56:13,110 --> 03:56:18,670
Okay. Mayor, I move to a resolution number 2024-116 as presented.

2705
03:56:20,050 --> 03:56:20,850
I'll second.

2706
03:56:21,690 --> 03:56:22,630
Thank you. We have motion.

2707
03:56:22,790 --> 03:56:22,990
Second.

2708
03:56:24,250 --> 03:56:26,330
If you would please indicate your vote accordingly.

2709
03:56:32,460 --> 03:56:34,760
Motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much.

2710
03:56:34,980 --> 03:56:35,300
Thank you.

2711
03:56:35,660 --> 03:56:42,660
Next up is item M3. Consider approving resolution 2024-117 authorizing an interlocal agreement with

2712
03:56:42,660 --> 03:56:53,040
the Dallas County for grant funding under the American Rescue Plan Act for the redevelopment of residential homes in the Valid Park neighborhood and take appropriate action.

2713
03:56:53,840 --> 03:56:57,340
Good evening, Pearlett Rivera, Director of Economic Development, tourism and planning.

2714
03:56:57,620 --> 03:57:03,520
This was brought to you in study session items, so this is now bringing in a local agreement and a resolution to go.

2715
03:57:03,680 --> 03:57:07,540
So this is the Dallas County Housing Replacement Program for the Val Wood and Jason areas.

2716
03:57:07,540 --> 03:57:16,840
As here's an overall breakdown in regards to the program, as far as the county demolishes substantially low moderate income owned homes and repair it with a new home.

2717
03:57:17,340 --> 03:57:23,400
Of course, individuals have to apply, they have to have fully paid mortgage, income 80% or below area medium.

2718
03:57:24,020 --> 03:57:30,560
As mentioned, the Valwood area, and the funding source for this is ARPA money through Dallas County and we would be the pass-through.

2719
03:57:31,140 --> 03:57:36,220
So we are getting 2.5 million from Dallas County, ARPA for total up to 10 homes.

2720
03:57:36,720 --> 03:57:39,240
The compliance will be a 15-year lien on that home.

2721
03:57:40,760 --> 03:57:44,120
And here's a couple more information as far as who's going to administer the program.

2722
03:57:44,120 --> 03:57:48,740
It would be our City of Farmers Branch staff to verify the income and build the homes.

2723
03:57:49,540 --> 03:57:57,100
The homes would be under 1600 square foot, an RFP would go in regards to who's going to build the homes.

2724
03:57:57,100 --> 03:58:03,620
And then as I mentioned 2.5 million for the housing program and as soon as if you guys if this does get proved today

2725
03:58:03,620 --> 03:58:08,700
We can start the program and start looking for any of information as far as any residents that would qualify

2726
03:58:08,700 --> 03:58:13,740
So we do have Lewis to my own here with Del's County and I am available if you have any questions

2727
03:58:15,460 --> 03:58:15,940
Council

2728
03:58:16,680 --> 03:58:19,160
You have questions in regards to the program

2729
03:58:20,760 --> 03:58:27,960
Then through it for one quick question. I was looking through the

2730
03:58:29,080 --> 03:58:32,820
Another lengthy 264 page document.

2731
03:58:33,120 --> 03:58:34,340
You looked at all of it, me too.

2732
03:58:34,680 --> 03:58:37,920
And I happened to notice that several of the exhibits,

2733
03:58:38,740 --> 03:58:41,640
specifically the Statement of Work and Deliverables

2734
03:58:41,640 --> 03:58:43,340
under Exhibit E. They're just blank.

2735
03:58:43,520 --> 03:58:44,140
There's nothing there.

2736
03:58:45,360 --> 03:58:46,840
How was it?

2737
03:58:46,940 --> 03:58:48,620
I don't quite understand why they're blank

2738
03:58:48,620 --> 03:58:49,960
or maybe I was looking in the wrong way.

2739
03:58:51,300 --> 03:58:53,240
There's lots of references to Exhibit E

2740
03:58:53,240 --> 03:58:55,960
there as to Statement of Work and the Deliverables.

2741
03:58:56,140 --> 03:58:58,120
And I didn't see, maybe that comes later in the process.

2742
03:58:58,120 --> 03:58:58,720
I'm not sure.

2743
03:58:58,960 --> 03:58:59,840
I'll have to verify that.

2744
03:58:59,940 --> 03:59:01,040
I apologize for that, Roger.

2745
03:59:01,100 --> 03:59:04,420
I believe the statement of that was just all the ARPA requirements because it is ARPA

2746
03:59:04,420 --> 03:59:04,760
funding.

2747
03:59:05,000 --> 03:59:09,580
So I think I stopped looking after page 200, but I'll definitely verify it.

2748
03:59:09,680 --> 03:59:11,140
I'm quite in favor of this program.

2749
03:59:11,160 --> 03:59:14,880
I'm just trying to make sure we cross the T's and dot the I so speak.

2750
03:59:15,600 --> 03:59:16,040
Absolutely.

2751
03:59:24,680 --> 03:59:26,060
Questions, comments, or a motion?

2752
03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:32,100
May I move to approve resolution 2024-117 is presented.

2753
03:59:32,760 --> 03:59:33,500
I'll second.

2754
03:59:34,060 --> 03:59:34,540
Thank you.

2755
03:59:34,540 --> 03:59:35,600
We have motion in a second.

2756
03:59:35,980 --> 03:59:37,700
If you would, please indicate you're very recording me.

2757
03:59:40,360 --> 03:59:42,520
And I just want to make sure we do get to the answer

2758
03:59:42,520 --> 03:59:43,640
that Mr. Niel was looking for.

2759
03:59:44,240 --> 03:59:46,420
I'll get that to you as soon as I get back into my computer.

2760
03:59:49,230 --> 03:59:50,270
Motion passes unanimously.

2761
03:59:50,710 --> 03:59:51,430
Thank you very much.

2762
03:59:51,630 --> 03:59:51,910
Thank you.

2763
03:59:56,540 --> 03:59:56,860
So.

2764
04:00:06,900 --> 04:00:35,660
So that concludes our regular city council meeting. We're going to go back to excuse me. We're going to take about a 15-minute break. We'll go back to study session. And then we still have an executive session after that. We'll at least get study session in down here. We'll be down here. So please take about 15 minutes or so. And so you're right back here. Thank you.

2765
04:00:45,170 --> 04:00:45,850
Thank you.

2766
04:00:45,850 --> 04:00:52,270
So welcome back to the City of Farmers Branch, to the Council meeting for Tuesday, July 16th.

2767
04:00:52,390 --> 04:00:59,210
We are now going to go back to our study session and resume with item C4, which is discussed and

2768
04:00:59,210 --> 04:01:03,390
gives staff direction regarding firehouse theaters to seal the use agreement updates.

2769
04:01:04,190 --> 04:01:04,630
Excuse me.

2770
04:01:06,990 --> 04:01:09,710
Good afternoon, good evening, Mayor and Council.

2771
04:01:10,710 --> 04:01:12,350
Jennifer Eni, assistant to the city manager.

2772
04:01:13,490 --> 04:01:18,370
Staff are presented a report during the March 5th study session at the request of Council

2773
04:01:18,370 --> 04:01:23,870
member Jackson and the Council determined to form an ad hoc committee for the discussion

2774
04:01:23,870 --> 04:01:27,470
of the Farmers Branch Community Theater, also known as Firehouse Theater.

2775
04:01:27,990 --> 04:01:32,130
So for those of you new to Council wanted to share some of that background and what that

2776
04:01:32,130 --> 04:01:36,830
existing facility use agreement has, so that existing facility use agreement has a term

2777
04:01:36,830 --> 04:01:43,770
that goes August to July. It has a couple of different termination bullet points there

2778
04:01:43,770 --> 04:01:50,330
on reasons or areas that we could terminate that agreement. There are also some specifics

2779
04:01:50,330 --> 04:01:55,090
in there that the city currently provides maintenance and repairs. The city is currently paying

2780
04:01:55,090 --> 04:02:00,550
for utilities and the city is responsible for waste disposal recycling, fire alarm, monitoring

2781
04:02:00,550 --> 04:02:01,770
during janitorial services.

2782
04:02:03,550 --> 04:02:06,650
So previous council direction, we received quite a bit of council direction.

2783
04:02:06,650 --> 04:02:10,770
We met, I believe it was in March and in twice in April, received some council direction.

2784
04:02:11,370 --> 04:02:16,730
So that previous council direction is all summarized here, where all utilities were to be paid by

2785
04:02:17,270 --> 04:02:19,070
paid to the city by firehouse theater.

2786
04:02:19,570 --> 04:02:23,310
And then the city was going to pay for pest control and a portion of a telephone linked

2787
04:02:23,310 --> 04:02:26,750
to the fire alarm monitoring because that was required through two phone lines required

2788
04:02:26,750 --> 04:02:28,170
for that fire alarm monitoring.

2789
04:02:29,050 --> 04:02:35,570
Firehouse Theater was also supposed to, the direction was to provide annual report, including attendance, performance engagement, and

2790
04:02:35,570 --> 04:02:38,570
salary programs, and then to provide updates to council upon request.

2791
04:02:39,170 --> 04:02:43,870
The facility value was quantified at that 61,000 to 73,000 per year, and

2792
04:02:43,870 --> 04:02:47,410
then allowing the city to use that facility when not impacting their production schedule.

2793
04:02:47,970 --> 04:02:53,010
And then facility use years, other dates were going to be modified to align with more that fiscal year.

2794
04:02:53,250 --> 04:02:57,190
Just so it's a little bit more similar to the rest of our agreements.

2795
04:02:57,190 --> 04:03:02,530
They also recommended a council liaison position and then cooperation with the city and then

2796
04:03:03,270 --> 04:03:06,810
Carrollton Farmers Branch ISD for educational training and rec programming.

2797
04:03:08,150 --> 04:03:10,270
So Firehouse Theatre proposed revisions to that.

2798
04:03:10,350 --> 04:03:13,850
They were provided all of those and then they provided red lines back to us.

2799
04:03:14,130 --> 04:03:19,390
Those red lines have been shared with you and if you don't mind, I'll get through this and we'll go through those red lines together.

2800
04:03:19,730 --> 04:03:21,750
So we're not flipping back and forth between slides.

2801
04:03:21,750 --> 04:03:28,650
So, there was a significant number, I think it was total of 18 red lines that were provided on various articles within that agreement.

2802
04:03:30,350 --> 04:03:34,670
In the budgetary impacts of facility use agreements, since we are in that budget cycle right now,

2803
04:03:35,010 --> 04:03:39,910
I wanted to provide that total. The council proposed average annual cost for Firehouse Theatre.

2804
04:03:40,650 --> 04:03:45,210
That electric was just an average based off of the usage, I believe it was 2019 and on.

2805
04:03:45,210 --> 04:03:49,930
previous to 2019, we had a little bit different rate systems so the electric rates were a lot higher.

2806
04:03:50,410 --> 04:03:56,410
So try to pull more recent average there, similar with water, gas, and then that phone, internet, and Wi-Fi.

2807
04:03:56,630 --> 04:03:58,850
Minus those two lines for fire monitoring.

2808
04:03:58,890 --> 04:04:05,890
I believe the two lines are about $30 to $35 a piece, so subtracting that total of $70 monthly.

2809
04:04:06,930 --> 04:04:09,950
Solid waste is a newer contract, so we had that total.

2810
04:04:09,950 --> 04:04:17,830
I believe it was $199 per week for twice-weekly monitoring, or I'm sorry, twice-weekly pickup.

2811
04:04:18,310 --> 04:04:23,470
And then janitorial was contracted at 4882 per cleaning at roughly 120 shows.

2812
04:04:23,650 --> 04:04:25,030
So that's where that average comes in at.

2813
04:04:25,270 --> 04:04:26,610
That's a great rate for janitorial.

2814
04:04:27,150 --> 04:04:31,930
So in firehouse, when they've proposed their revisions to that contract,

2815
04:04:32,530 --> 04:04:37,070
those red lines that they've proposed, those red lines include capping those utilities.

2816
04:04:37,250 --> 04:04:38,850
So you'll see that bottom number there in the blue.

2817
04:04:38,850 --> 04:04:42,210
they've requested utility annual cap at $13,100.

2818
04:04:43,190 --> 04:04:45,630
So it's just a little bit off, it looks like it's about $500

2819
04:04:45,630 --> 04:04:49,270
off from that average of electric water and gas for the past few years.

2820
04:04:49,910 --> 04:04:52,910
And then they've also requested that they no longer be,

2821
04:04:53,990 --> 04:04:56,610
they no longer pay for phone internet or Wi-Fi.

2822
04:04:56,710 --> 04:04:59,910
They're not currently paying for that, but they did redline that out of that contract.

2823
04:05:09,560 --> 04:05:20,200
So, if you're agreeable to it, I'd like to just go ahead and pull up that red line document. So, we're all looking at the same pages together. We can go through them one by one, instead of flipping back and forth between the different pages.

2824
04:05:24,930 --> 04:05:33,850
I do have a quick question. In the event that we do have legal questions for our attorney regarding this contract, would it be okay to go to executive

2825
04:05:33,850 --> 04:05:37,130
executive session and address those, or do we address those in open session?

2826
04:05:39,700 --> 04:05:43,020
I kind of want to see how the conversation goes, but if we are going to be talking about

2827
04:05:43,460 --> 04:05:46,900
renegotiating the terms of this agreement, it's really probably ought to be done in

2828
04:05:46,900 --> 04:05:47,800
a closed session.

2829
04:05:48,780 --> 04:05:53,640
If we're simply going to, as a wholesale matter, reject all of them and say, take it back

2830
04:05:53,640 --> 04:05:58,560
to them and take it to leave the basis that we're done, but if we want to talk about renegotiating

2831
04:05:58,560 --> 04:06:02,800
specific terms or asking questions about them, you're right, executive session would be appropriate.

2832
04:06:02,800 --> 04:06:07,420
Yeah, I have some some legal questions, and maybe I'll reserve my questions until then if that's okay.

2833
04:06:10,040 --> 04:06:11,160
All right,

2834
04:06:13,260 --> 04:06:29,860
so let me ask if anybody has any other, any general questions at this point regarding this, I will say that I have a number of questions regarding notations that were made in the contract.

2835
04:06:29,860 --> 04:06:37,220
And could you go back to the, yes?

2836
04:06:40,400 --> 04:06:45,360
So, I want to make sure I'm absolutely clear on what is being presented here.

2837
04:06:48,980 --> 04:06:57,520
The Firehouse Theatre is looking for a cap on what they pay for utilities of $13,100.

2838
04:06:58,160 --> 04:06:59,320
Among other things, yes.

2839
04:06:59,400 --> 04:07:00,220
Among other things.

2840
04:07:00,220 --> 04:07:08,240
Which all the, any cost above that that are incurred for utilities, gas, water, electric,

2841
04:07:09,860 --> 04:07:12,020
what not, would be borne by the city.

2842
04:07:12,320 --> 04:07:12,460
Correct.

2843
04:07:13,000 --> 04:07:15,940
Okay, and

2844
04:07:18,950 --> 04:07:23,470
was there a reason given why they don't want to pay for the solid waste?

2845
04:07:23,990 --> 04:07:27,270
They're the ones making their own refuse.

2846
04:07:27,750 --> 04:07:30,690
No, there was not a reason outside of what was provided in that red line.

2847
04:07:33,470 --> 04:07:38,510
Okay, then I'll hold the rest of my questions for executive session.

2848
04:07:38,910 --> 04:07:39,390
Councilman Jackson.

2849
04:07:39,970 --> 04:07:41,130
Thank you Mayor, thank you Jennifer.

2850
04:07:43,010 --> 04:07:45,870
Solid waste is what I think solid waste is here, right?

2851
04:07:46,510 --> 04:07:51,470
We're sending a pump over to the firehouse and we're pumping out the sewer system.

2852
04:07:51,650 --> 04:07:52,290
Is that what that is?

2853
04:07:52,830 --> 04:07:53,350
What is that?

2854
04:07:53,950 --> 04:07:54,410
Trash.

2855
04:07:54,510 --> 04:07:54,650
Trash.

2856
04:07:55,130 --> 04:07:56,470
Okay, just trash.

2857
04:07:56,470 --> 04:07:58,690
We pick up of $1199.

2858
04:07:59,330 --> 04:08:01,990
Sorry, I just want to make sure I understood that.

2859
04:08:03,490 --> 04:08:13,310
Is the electric water and gas at that facility is it metered, or is there some kind of averaging or estimating it's metered?

2860
04:08:13,370 --> 04:08:13,950
It isn't for sure.

2861
04:08:14,130 --> 04:08:15,090
Okay, it is metered.

2862
04:08:17,570 --> 04:08:26,250
The janitorial and the solid waste services are part of the bigger city negotiated contract.

2863
04:08:26,250 --> 04:08:39,150
So, if they were to go out and get their own contract in all likelihood, they're going to pay more because they don't have the power of economies as we do here with the city, correct?

2864
04:08:39,390 --> 04:08:39,570
Correct.

2865
04:08:40,170 --> 04:08:40,310
Okay.

2866
04:08:47,540 --> 04:08:48,160
There's a question.

2867
04:08:48,360 --> 04:08:48,760
Let me look.

2868
04:08:59,460 --> 04:09:00,560
That's all I have for now.

2869
04:09:02,100 --> 04:09:02,480
Thank you.

2870
04:09:05,250 --> 04:09:07,410
Anybody else have anything at this time?

2871
04:09:07,410 --> 04:09:18,030
Okay, then we will continue the rest of this discussion in the executive session, so we'll just add it on to the other items.

2872
04:09:23,100 --> 04:09:28,980
Moving on, it will be item C5, discuss the Animal Adoption Centers capacity and future needs.

2873
04:09:30,180 --> 04:09:32,100
All right, that is also partially me.

2874
04:09:35,880 --> 04:09:40,560
Again, Jennifer Annie, assistant to the City Manager, however, I would like to introduce our new animal services manager.

2875
04:09:40,560 --> 04:09:44,500
I don't know that many of you have formally met him, but Tyler Winkler joins us.

2876
04:09:44,540 --> 04:09:49,200
He just joined us in May after a long recruiting and process trying to get him over here.

2877
04:09:49,720 --> 04:09:52,900
We are really eager to have him in our staff now.

2878
04:09:53,540 --> 04:09:59,560
He brings with him a wealth of animal services field operations, as well as operations in shelters and

2879
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:28,880
The Humane Society of the United States is spoken nationally at Nationwide Conferences and traveled the United States to share information and education to animal shelters across the United States. So I will let him take the reins on most of this for the animal services update. Good afternoon or good evening mayor and council. I'm very, very happy to be here. It's nice to meet all of you. So at the request of Council Member Jackson, we are going to provide an update on our animal shelter capacity.

2880
04:10:28,880 --> 04:10:43,660
and so what we have before you is the initial drawings of our building and it's important to remember as we kind of look at this is our building has undergone some renovations over the past 15 years or so that it's been open.

2881
04:10:44,220 --> 04:10:57,980
So this might look a little bit confusing but we've tried to identify the areas by color coding so we have 25 total dog kennels so you can see there are eight dog hold kennels, 10 dog adoption kennels.

2882
04:10:57,980 --> 04:11:01,500
And again, it can be confusing to delineate between those two.

2883
04:11:02,120 --> 04:11:07,260
But those are our general housing area that we have for

2884
04:11:07,940 --> 04:11:10,340
animals that come into our care.

2885
04:11:10,660 --> 04:11:15,460
You can see in the top of that, there are four dog kennels that has marked ISO.

2886
04:11:16,120 --> 04:11:17,500
So those are our isolation kennels.

2887
04:11:17,540 --> 04:11:21,820
We'll utilize those animals that come in that we suspect of being sick,

2888
04:11:22,140 --> 04:11:24,340
injured in some way that need more advanced medical care.

2889
04:11:24,340 --> 04:11:28,940
It gives us a way to isolate those animals from our general population to keep them healthy.

2890
04:11:29,640 --> 04:11:34,760
You can see on the right there the top two purple rooms are marked as flexible housing rooms.

2891
04:11:35,380 --> 04:11:40,280
So it's important to note when our building was initially designed, it was designed with flexibility in mind.

2892
04:11:40,520 --> 04:11:46,700
So we intentionally flex the use of these spaces and so we're able to utilize those in a myriad of different ways.

2893
04:11:47,400 --> 04:11:53,360
Currently, as of this morning, when I left the shelter to come here, we were housing roughly 20 kittens

2894
04:11:53,360 --> 04:11:59,440
in shoreline kennels, to his kitten season, currently we have a large influx of kittens coming into our care.

2895
04:11:59,980 --> 04:12:06,980
So you've been able to flex one of these multi-use rooms and put in stainless steel kennels like you would see at your veterinary office.

2896
04:12:07,600 --> 04:12:09,380
And we're utilizing one of those rooms for that.

2897
04:12:09,560 --> 04:12:16,960
And then we also have a larger influx of puppies, it's summer, it's a very, very busy time for shelters.

2898
04:12:17,400 --> 04:12:19,940
So those are those two flex rooms.

2899
04:12:19,940 --> 04:12:24,260
If you come later on in the year, it might be used to co-housing one or two dogs at a time.

2900
04:12:24,820 --> 04:12:29,200
But in the current utilization, it's intended to be flexible to fit our specific needs.

2901
04:12:29,860 --> 04:12:35,740
Those other two rooms that are in green, those are our adult cat co-housing areas.

2902
04:12:35,960 --> 04:12:39,500
So we're very fortunate and that we do have co-housing areas for our feline friends.

2903
04:12:40,240 --> 04:12:44,600
Those are for adult cats that come in that have been from a home environment.

2904
04:12:44,600 --> 04:12:51,000
And it gives them a place to unwind and be in a more normal environment than, you know, stuck in a cage.

2905
04:12:51,680 --> 04:12:52,860
So those are those two rooms.

2906
04:12:53,360 --> 04:13:01,300
Everything on the right, those two purple rooms, two green rooms, and then that first 10 dog adoption hallway.

2907
04:13:01,880 --> 04:13:05,040
That's the only area of our facility that is currently open to the public.

2908
04:13:06,060 --> 04:13:13,200
So those 10 dog adoption rooms, if you've been to our shelter, it's super, super nice.

2909
04:13:13,200 --> 04:13:18,580
But it does pose an issue that currently we do house dogs in the back.

2910
04:13:18,820 --> 04:13:25,600
So right now staff is escorting visitors to the back area where animals are being held in that eight dog hold room.

2911
04:13:26,080 --> 04:13:29,080
And then everything past that is a medical isolation area.

2912
04:13:29,300 --> 04:13:35,720
So sometimes we'll hold animals undergoing cats undergoing trap new to return.

2913
04:13:36,120 --> 04:13:39,740
So folks are able to trap feral cats in our community, bring them to us.

2914
04:13:39,980 --> 04:13:42,420
We provide sterilization services vaccinations.

2915
04:13:42,420 --> 04:13:46,240
We hold them in an area until they're recovered and then we release those animals.

2916
04:13:47,160 --> 04:13:50,440
Areas in red are designated as quarantine areas.

2917
04:13:50,660 --> 04:13:51,820
We are mandated by the state.

2918
04:13:52,760 --> 04:13:55,380
We are the local rabies control authority for the state of arms branch.

2919
04:13:56,040 --> 04:13:59,620
So we're required to maintain quarantine facilities for rabies cases.

2920
04:14:00,220 --> 04:14:07,000
We have three dog quarantine facilities and then we also have two cat quarantine facilities as well.

2921
04:14:07,220 --> 04:14:10,740
And then you see another red box there that is in our surgical suite.

2922
04:14:10,740 --> 04:14:16,860
So we do not utilize that area for general animal housing because it is inside of a sterile medical area

2923
04:14:16,860 --> 04:14:18,960
So that is only utilized for surgery days

2924
04:14:18,960 --> 04:14:22,520
So this is just a broad overview of our current shelter layout

2925
04:14:23,180 --> 04:14:27,720
Again, we have 25 total cat kennels two cat rooms two flex rooms

2926
04:14:27,720 --> 04:14:34,360
We've identified identified our capacity at 70 animals and again as we go through the presentation

2927
04:14:34,360 --> 04:14:40,200
It's important to keep in mind that we do have flexibility in our housing areas and our facilities

2928
04:14:40,200 --> 04:14:47,600
So, you know, right now we have roughly 70 animals in our care as of about an hour ago when

2929
04:14:47,600 --> 04:14:54,140
I checked, but we're able to make it work and flex these areas as we need.

2930
04:14:55,640 --> 04:14:59,960
So here is our, there's a lot of qualifiers on this, but this is the daily shelter popular

2931
04:15:01,140 --> 04:15:29,920
So what we did is we went back and looked at our historical data from 2014, and we calculated the average population in our shelter per day. And it's important to know that these numbers are seasonal. So right now at the height of, you know, kitten puppy season, you know, our numbers tend to be a little bit higher. So I do have the 2024 projections on there as well. Right now, I believe our average is right at 72 animals.

2932
04:15:29,920 --> 04:15:36,620
per day for 2024. Now it's important to note that during the winter months, that number

2933
04:15:37,140 --> 04:15:41,800
statistically will be a little bit lower so that average may come down a bit. But you

2934
04:15:41,800 --> 04:15:47,280
can see the early trend, but generally speaking for the last three years, they've had between

2935
04:15:47,280 --> 04:15:50,360
60 and 70 animals in custody every single day.

2936
04:15:53,150 --> 04:15:56,130
And then here are our, again, that kind

2937
04:15:56,130 --> 04:16:01,190
of that same information, but this is just looking at our intakes. So this is our intake

2938
04:16:01,190 --> 04:16:02,430
compared to our population.

2939
04:16:03,270 --> 04:16:05,730
So we went back, got the historical data.

2940
04:16:06,030 --> 04:16:09,810
We looked at the number of animals that we were taking into our shelter.

2941
04:16:10,030 --> 04:16:14,650
We compared that to the population, for farmers branch during that time.

2942
04:16:15,150 --> 04:16:16,390
And so you can see the trends there.

2943
04:16:16,610 --> 04:16:21,030
So 2015, our population was a little bit lower.

2944
04:16:21,210 --> 04:16:27,190
We were taking in around 1100 animals and extrapolating that out to 2024.

2945
04:16:27,190 --> 04:16:34,730
For our current intake, this two date is right at 700 animals, 698 to be exact.

2946
04:16:36,130 --> 04:16:39,510
So, 2024 is not on there, but you can see the dip year.

2947
04:16:39,670 --> 04:16:44,830
So, those numbers, kind of in that valley, those represent the COVID year.

2948
04:16:45,010 --> 04:16:49,430
So, animal shelters across the country experienced really, really low animal intake.

2949
04:16:50,050 --> 04:16:55,070
Fiscal year or 2022, those numbers skyrocketed and intake has increased.

2950
04:16:55,070 --> 04:16:57,270
And this is not something you need to our city.

2951
04:16:57,770 --> 04:17:01,450
This is something that has represented by animal shelters all across the country.

2952
04:17:01,650 --> 04:17:04,910
So that's what that dip is there that those are the COVID years.

2953
04:17:05,510 --> 04:17:08,790
And then so we took a daily, or we took that average.

2954
04:17:09,150 --> 04:17:11,350
We calculated it to 3.236.

2955
04:17:11,550 --> 04:17:16,310
So we found that we were taking in a compared to our population size.

2956
04:17:16,670 --> 04:17:21,250
About 3.236 percent of that was our animal intake.

2957
04:17:21,250 --> 04:17:27,870
We took that and extrapolated it out to our 2030 and 2045 projection so you'll see a moderate

2958
04:17:27,870 --> 04:17:33,770
increase of about 150 to 200 animals from our current shelter intake out to 2045.

2959
04:17:33,770 --> 04:17:35,210
And again, that's just our best estimate.

2960
04:17:35,810 --> 04:17:41,350
There's not a super great model to predict these trends in animal shelters, but this is

2961
04:17:41,350 --> 04:17:42,770
the current best method to do that.

2962
04:17:42,970 --> 04:17:48,030
So again, we analyzed all that historical data and extrapolated it out.

2963
04:17:49,230 --> 04:17:50,150
Any questions?

2964
04:17:53,790 --> 04:17:55,390
So no, I have a question.

2965
04:17:55,690 --> 04:17:57,870
So with all these extra animals, where do you go put them?

2966
04:17:58,290 --> 04:17:59,250
That is a good question.

2967
04:17:59,470 --> 04:18:03,570
So what we've done, we have really leaned into our foster community.

2968
04:18:03,670 --> 04:18:06,690
We have a great community that really wants to support our shelter.

2969
04:18:07,210 --> 04:18:09,550
And we just need to provide them the opportunity to help us.

2970
04:18:10,070 --> 04:18:15,950
So since early May, we've been able to get 75 animals into foster program.

2971
04:18:16,090 --> 04:18:19,350
Right now we've got around 36 animals in foster home.

2972
04:18:19,350 --> 04:18:33,600
So, and I can, I'll print it out this morning, but we have a total of 39 animals in foster care currently with 107 animals under our care.

2973
04:18:34,040 --> 04:18:38,760
So 39 of those animals are in foster homes and in our community and surrounding communities.

2974
04:18:39,220 --> 04:18:42,920
Folks have graciously opened their doors and I'll end up taking those animals in.

2975
04:18:43,380 --> 04:18:48,300
It's important to note that we are still responsible for providing care, medical care, food,

2976
04:18:48,300 --> 04:18:52,760
All of the normal things that we would provide in our shelter, we are still providing those at home.

2977
04:18:54,160 --> 04:19:03,660
Most of those folks have decided to take in medical cases and it's helped ease some of our current population issues that we've experienced.

2978
04:19:03,880 --> 04:19:05,780
So it's been helpful to get animals into foster care.

2979
04:19:06,240 --> 04:19:11,140
So what is your schedule look like for adoption events?

2980
04:19:11,780 --> 04:19:14,200
So that's something that I'm actively working on.

2981
04:19:14,200 --> 04:19:24,360
We have partnerships or we're working on partnerships with some local apartment complexes where they are will it had inclusive housing is extremely difficult to find right now in our current market.

2982
04:19:25,060 --> 04:19:29,920
So we've been able to work with a couple of apartment complexes and we're getting those details finalized.

2983
04:19:30,420 --> 04:19:40,440
I'm also looking at opportunities for us to it's very, very hot right now, but in the future maybe in the fall to say we have Hoyap Park, which is we have a great captive audience there.

2984
04:19:40,440 --> 04:19:47,220
We've been working with our parks department to get some signage up in our well-attended parks to let people know that our animal shelter

2985
04:19:47,220 --> 04:19:53,580
Is there and then we're also looking at utilizing our adoption trailer that we have and actually bringing the trailer out to those parts

2986
04:19:53,580 --> 04:19:58,260
Who do adoption events there? So it's something that we're looking at just takes a similar just fixing coordinating

2987
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:17,500
Last question, I know you've got one board member who wants to expand the annual shelter. Well, we don't have money for that. So, is it possible for the annual shelter? Maybe that's a question for you to have their own capital campaign?

2988
04:20:21,170 --> 04:20:32,570
Let me, Jennifer, explain some of the what we're doing right now, and we can go from there, but they do have the donation, which they're working on with the annual shelter, and she has a little bit more on that. And that would use our donation that we received this past year.

2989
04:20:33,150 --> 04:20:37,750
pre-utilizing that donation, it was 1.5 million, there's not a significant increase

2990
04:20:37,750 --> 04:20:45,550
is using 2045 projection data on, we do have the capacity in act this January when I first

2991
04:20:45,550 --> 04:20:48,870
started here, I've walked through the hallway and that first hallway there, let's see,

2992
04:20:49,010 --> 04:20:53,110
that first home, and then a few dogs on that left side. So there's just a seasonal demand

2993
04:20:53,110 --> 04:20:58,730
for a room that flex capacity that allows that with 11 kittens. So really kind of,

2994
04:20:58,730 --> 04:21:05,430
But it's hardest rooms because they provide us so much flexibility on what we can do in the time they have any questions.

2995
04:21:05,950 --> 04:21:06,510
Thank you, Jennifer.

2996
04:21:06,810 --> 04:21:07,710
Tyler, welcome, Doug.

2997
04:21:09,190 --> 04:21:16,710
I'm going to come in from all different places and all different conditions and be difficult in kind of that as well.

2998
04:21:17,030 --> 04:21:19,830
So Dr. Sarah, she talked about cities.

2999
04:21:19,830 --> 04:21:21,350
We know they're coming from Dallas.

3000
04:21:22,330 --> 04:21:23,530
Have you looked at that?

3001
04:21:23,790 --> 04:21:24,670
How's that tracking?

3002
04:21:24,670 --> 04:21:30,230
Maybe to explain, you know, a cat or a dog is a Dallas cat or a dog and they've come to Farmer's branch now and

3003
04:21:31,370 --> 04:21:40,430
Sure that maybe Dallas has handled Farmer's branches problems. Yeah, I have to add our shelter watching learning our processes how we were in some changes in that

3004
04:21:41,950 --> 04:21:47,730
We were finding it's very easy to lie on a form, right? If you're presented a form that says where did you find this work?

3005
04:21:47,730 --> 04:21:53,170
Has the city of Farmer's branch? It's pretty obvious action there. So we've moved to more show where those animals came from.

3006
04:21:53,830 --> 04:21:57,030
Most people are also developing relationships.

3007
04:21:57,310 --> 04:22:00,110
So the city of Addison comes to mind most daily

3008
04:22:00,110 --> 04:22:02,470
that come in from the Vitruvian's logical that folks

3009
04:22:02,470 --> 04:22:04,530
would think that we are their animal shelter.

3010
04:22:05,290 --> 04:22:07,170
So we're working with the city of Addison

3011
04:22:07,730 --> 04:22:10,130
and I think that there would be some opportunities for us,

3012
04:22:10,130 --> 04:22:11,730
especially in our apartment communities,

3013
04:22:12,110 --> 04:22:13,530
maybe not in Farmer's Branch,

3014
04:22:13,670 --> 04:22:16,450
but very close Vitruvian way coming to mind,

3015
04:22:16,670 --> 04:22:18,570
to work with them as well to educate residents.

3016
04:22:18,770 --> 04:22:21,930
But more of a conversational based approach

3017
04:22:21,930 --> 04:22:26,670
as opposed to just filling out a form, because most people just lie on the form.

3018
04:22:26,870 --> 04:22:32,190
They understand what we're getting at, so again, we haven't taken that form

3019
04:22:32,190 --> 04:22:35,330
necessarily away, but we have moved to more of a conversational method.

3020
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:06,880
Much of our shelter is used for animals that are brought in by people that found an animal

3021
04:25:06,880 --> 04:25:12,160
or they're giving it up versus those animals that we've had to go out and get because they're

3022
04:25:12,160 --> 04:25:17,680
not on a leash. You were probably here earlier when resident residents, Adams talked about,

3023
04:25:19,640 --> 04:25:27,140
we seem to have a chronic issue of residents and unleashed dogs and cats, though I'm not sure

3024
04:25:27,140 --> 04:25:35,580
how you lead your cat, but what's the utility in our shelter today for those giving up animals

3025
04:25:35,580 --> 04:25:39,620
or finding animals versus those we have to go out and bring them to.

3026
04:25:39,620 --> 04:25:45,260
So, you know, as the city's municipal shelter, we are required to take in animals from our jurisdiction,

3027
04:25:45,680 --> 04:25:49,260
be it on our surrender or street animals that are found, we have a duty to take those animals in.

3028
04:25:50,120 --> 04:25:55,620
So, if an animal is found free of restraint, loose, stray in our city, those animals are

3029
04:25:55,620 --> 04:25:57,480
We're impounded by our animal control officers.

3030
04:25:58,260 --> 04:26:05,840
We are working on, because we are at capacity, we've been at capacity for the last month or so, with our dogs.

3031
04:26:06,400 --> 04:26:13,880
We are working with officers to be able to return those animals to home in the field instead of having to come back into the shelter.

3032
04:26:14,200 --> 04:26:19,640
We are providing follow-up resources or micro-tripping those animals to make it easier in the future should those animals get loose.

3033
04:26:20,140 --> 04:26:22,680
We're spending less resources trying to track and owner down.

3034
04:26:23,300 --> 04:26:31,460
Microchips are generally pretty inexpensive to implant and it saves us a lot of time on the back ends are working with pet owners to reduce that as well.

3035
04:26:32,240 --> 04:26:36,360
I can give you our intake numbers, so I did prepare those.

3036
04:26:37,300 --> 04:26:45,480
So 178 animals and this is year two day or year two yesterday afternoon at 1159.

3037
04:26:45,480 --> 04:26:54,320
So owner guardian surrenders were 178, animals returned to our custody, so adopted and returned were 11.

3038
04:26:55,040 --> 04:27:00,880
Animals that we seized be from animal cruelty, bite cases, or other is nine.

3039
04:27:01,760 --> 04:27:05,760
Animals that have been, or cat, barrel cats that have been TNR'd,

3040
04:27:06,100 --> 04:27:09,540
so that are coming in for that sterilization surgery to be released is 92.

3041
04:27:10,460 --> 04:27:13,180
Straight animals accounts for our largest percentage.

3042
04:27:13,180 --> 04:27:18,240
So, year to date, we've picked up 390 stray animals in Farmer's Branch.

3043
04:27:21,000 --> 04:27:25,660
And do you know, do you have a number of how many of those strays are returned, or is

3044
04:27:25,660 --> 04:27:28,120
a stray not returned, what do I do?

3045
04:27:29,780 --> 04:27:30,820
Sorry, I printed out a lot.

3046
04:27:31,480 --> 04:27:31,900
That's okay.

3047
04:27:32,400 --> 04:27:32,980
Let me flip through.

3048
04:27:35,200 --> 04:27:40,560
So our return to owner guardian numbers, so this is all animals, cats, dogs, pocket pets,

3049
04:27:40,560 --> 04:27:46,080
we get rabbits occasionally, anything that comes into our shelter, animals return to

3050
04:27:46,080 --> 04:27:50,640
their owners is 105, so we've returned 105 of those animals to their owners.

3051
04:27:53,220 --> 04:28:03,000
My concern is I want to make sure that we're equipped to address the strays and the

3052
04:28:03,000 --> 04:28:08,180
repetitive offender, repeated offenders that let their dogs off leash.

3053
04:28:09,140 --> 04:28:15,660
I seem to recall we do have some type of a fine assessed when somebody is not leash in

3054
04:28:15,660 --> 04:28:17,640
in their pet or their repetitive current?

3055
04:28:18,280 --> 04:28:23,200
Yeah, so what we've been doing, obviously me coming in

3056
04:28:23,200 --> 04:28:26,960
two months and still trying to figure out our enforcement model.

3057
04:28:27,940 --> 04:28:31,480
I am trying to empower our staff to provide services

3058
04:28:31,480 --> 04:28:34,100
to residents specifically microchipping and education.

3059
04:28:34,760 --> 04:28:36,460
Some people just, it's crazy,

3060
04:28:36,660 --> 04:28:37,900
that sounds just simply don't know

3061
04:28:37,900 --> 04:28:39,800
that they can't have their animals off of each other park.

3062
04:28:40,380 --> 04:28:42,360
So an ounce prevention is worth a pound of cure

3063
04:28:42,360 --> 04:28:47,540
in my opinion, implanting those animals with a microchip is a really, really easy way

3064
04:28:47,540 --> 04:28:52,760
for us to pick them up and return them to home. If it's a repeat offender, an animal

3065
04:28:52,760 --> 04:28:56,500
has come into us multiple times that the animal is required to be sterilized under city

3066
04:28:56,500 --> 04:29:01,620
ordinance and they are returned to the owner and they will be issued citations at the discretion

3067
04:29:01,620 --> 04:29:02,940
of our animal control officers.

3068
04:29:03,400 --> 04:29:09,500
Okay. All right. Very good. Just trying to get an idea of the traffic flows. You know,

3069
04:29:09,500 --> 04:29:13,540
The chart, if you'll go back, go forward a couple of slides to that projection.

3070
04:29:16,000 --> 04:29:19,900
Not a huge change from today and the next six years.

3071
04:29:21,160 --> 04:29:25,380
But then on out it starts to climb and that we're just guessing at that point.

3072
04:29:25,900 --> 04:29:29,920
We are, so we're taking, we analyze the last ten years of data.

3073
04:29:30,440 --> 04:29:33,420
The Humane Society of the United States, what am I used to work for?

3074
04:29:35,160 --> 04:29:40,280
Their general role of thumb, and again, it depends on a lot of factors socioeconomic and

3075
04:29:40,280 --> 04:29:42,960
and other communities, but their general rule of thumb

3076
04:29:42,960 --> 04:29:45,980
is that per the population size, about 3% of that

3077
04:29:45,980 --> 04:29:47,800
is gonna be your animal shelter intake.

3078
04:29:48,240 --> 04:29:50,740
And as you can see, our data trends pretty closely

3079
04:29:50,740 --> 04:29:51,920
with that for the last 10 years.

3080
04:29:52,660 --> 04:29:57,540
So while we don't expect there to be a huge increase,

3081
04:29:58,620 --> 04:29:59,960
it's pretty difficult to tell.

3082
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,160
I'll pet inclusive housing is becoming more and more elusive defined. And this morning at our shelter, we had somebody come in who was having to move apartments. They can no longer afford their rent, but cannot find somewhere to go with. They had a pit bull type dog. So again, it's vecker is getting more unaffordable for most people. So as that increases, I can imagine a trend where these numbers go up further than our projections. Okay, very good. Thank you.

3083
04:30:29,160 --> 04:30:33,800
thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Questions, comments?

3084
04:30:35,580 --> 04:30:36,860
The question for Ben.

3085
04:30:39,100 --> 04:30:43,220
I heard there's a letter of a donation or something that was made

3086
04:30:43,220 --> 04:30:49,100
to us over a million dollars. Could you help me get a copy of that? Or share that with

3087
04:30:49,100 --> 04:30:50,680
me? Yes, we will. All right, thanks.

3088
04:30:54,160 --> 04:30:58,280
Okay. Seeing nothing else. I thank you so much. Thank you, Council.

3089
04:30:58,280 --> 04:30:59,360
Next

3090
04:31:05,220 --> 04:31:15,380
up is item C6 presentation on the Emergency Disaster Plan related to alerts for impending weather and provide updates on the communication plan.

3091
04:31:15,660 --> 04:31:15,880
All

3092
04:31:24,900 --> 04:31:26,520
right, Mayor Counsel, thank you very much.

3093
04:31:27,120 --> 04:31:40,260
So I just wanted to kind of present to you on how our emergency alerts work, and as well as our outdoor room sirens and kind of our plan moving forward for helping promote this program, get more, some more people send up.

3094
04:31:40,260 --> 04:31:44,660
So Council Member Neal asked us to come and just kind of talk about this.

3095
04:31:46,560 --> 04:31:47,080
Yeah.

3096
04:31:48,000 --> 04:31:49,080
So emergency alerting.

3097
04:31:50,240 --> 04:31:52,320
So it kind of breaks out into a couple different areas.

3098
04:31:52,600 --> 04:31:57,840
So first off, we have our branch alert system, which if y'all don't know about our branch

3099
04:31:57,840 --> 04:32:00,160
alert system, it's our mass notification system.

3100
04:32:01,400 --> 04:32:07,800
And it allows us to communicate directly with residents, businesses, really anyone who wants

3101
04:32:07,800 --> 04:32:11,280
to get alerts whenever something bad is happening.

3102
04:32:12,620 --> 04:32:16,580
So the branch alert program, we use a program called Everbridge.

3103
04:32:17,220 --> 04:32:20,060
We just like to brand it as a branch alert because it sounds a lot cooler.

3104
04:32:21,400 --> 04:32:23,100
And it is an opt-in program.

3105
04:32:23,640 --> 04:32:28,700
So with this program, the residents or whoever could be somebody from outside the city that

3106
04:32:28,700 --> 04:32:34,080
works here, they can opt into it and elect to receive notification for any kind of severe

3107
04:32:34,080 --> 04:32:39,500
whether our police department also has access to this system, they continue alerts if there's

3108
04:32:39,500 --> 04:32:41,460
any kind of road closures, anything like that.

3109
04:32:43,760 --> 04:32:52,960
These alerts, they are, so when I say opt in, it is opt in, so we cannot force anyone to

3110
04:32:52,960 --> 04:32:56,780
receive these alerts, they have to elect to sign up for them.

3111
04:32:58,760 --> 04:33:04,060
So when they do sign up for alerts, they can choose if they want to receive anything about

3112
04:33:04,060 --> 04:33:08,240
severe weather, and then they can choose what kind of severe weather alerts that they receive.

3113
04:33:08,820 --> 04:33:15,420
I think there's 178 different hazards that they can receive a learning on that is crazy.

3114
04:33:16,380 --> 04:33:20,500
Most of those are not going to apply to us, like tsunami warnings.

3115
04:33:21,220 --> 04:33:24,320
If we have a tsunami hit us up here in Farms Branch, it's a really bad day.

3116
04:33:25,100 --> 04:33:28,320
Branch leaders aren't really going to help us at that point, or coastal flooding,

3117
04:33:28,320 --> 04:33:33,160
stuff like that. So some of them aren't going to apply to us. They can still pick to receive those

3118
04:33:33,160 --> 04:33:48,160
These alerts, they'll never get them, but yeah, so like I said, they can also like to receive alerts on road closures, city updates, anything like that they want to receive.

3119
04:33:49,020 --> 04:33:54,640
These alerts, they are going to go out automatically, so if they like to, let's say, severe thunderstorm warning.

3120
04:33:55,320 --> 04:34:01,580
The second of the National Weather Service issues that warning, it's automatically going to go to Everbridge, and

3121
04:34:01,580 --> 04:34:05,440
And then they're going to send that alert out through branch alert to anyone that signed

3122
04:34:05,440 --> 04:34:06,500
up to receive those.

3123
04:34:08,040 --> 04:34:12,880
So it's not reliant on me manually sitting there and typing it out at three in the morning

3124
04:34:12,880 --> 04:34:16,680
potentially to send those out to our residents, it's going to go out automatically.

3125
04:34:18,480 --> 04:34:20,240
The exception is that obviously it's PD.

3126
04:34:20,700 --> 04:34:26,620
So if they are sending out a road closure alert or amber alert, missing child, missing person,

3127
04:34:27,220 --> 04:34:28,940
those they're going to manually send those.

3128
04:34:28,940 --> 04:34:35,140
And there are certain officers and people in administration that have access to the system.

3129
04:34:37,880 --> 04:34:42,980
So kind of the reason I wanted to talk to you all today about this is if you all can

3130
04:34:42,980 --> 04:34:46,900
believe it, it's almost been two months since the Memorial Day storms.

3131
04:34:47,880 --> 04:34:52,780
But after those storms, we did identify a few issues that we had with the system.

3132
04:34:52,780 --> 04:34:59,900
I was very limited. I think I only found three or four reports of people not

3133
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:04,840
Not receiving alerts when they were in fact signed up for them. So when we did that investigation,

3134
04:35:05,520 --> 04:35:11,100
we found a known issue with the Everbridge system. The Everbridge is aware of, and they're

3135
04:35:11,100 --> 04:35:16,580
working to fix it, where it wasn't plotting their address correctly, so it was actually

3136
04:35:16,580 --> 04:35:21,220
plotting them, I think, up in Illinois, even though it was a farmer's ranch address. I know

3137
04:35:21,220 --> 04:35:25,160
it is, but it just thought that they were up in a different state than they actually were.

3138
04:35:25,160 --> 04:35:32,780
So, I found all of those, and I was able to make corrections to it, and correct all of

3139
04:35:32,780 --> 04:35:36,940
those bad addresses for those residents that said that they didn't receive them.

3140
04:35:37,920 --> 04:35:41,280
In addition to that, I downloaded all of our contacts that are signed up to receive

3141
04:35:41,280 --> 04:35:45,660
branch alerts, went through them, audited all of them, I think I only found a few others

3142
04:35:45,660 --> 04:35:47,980
that had issues with their address.

3143
04:35:50,560 --> 04:35:53,180
So moving forward, we shouldn't have that issue anymore.

3144
04:35:53,960 --> 04:35:57,360
Everbridge is aware of it and they are working to try and remedy that problem.

3145
04:35:59,420 --> 04:36:06,600
A few improvements that we made with the system, it is now linked to the Fire Department

3146
04:36:06,600 --> 04:36:07,300
Facebook page.

3147
04:36:07,680 --> 04:36:13,960
So anytime I severe thunderstorm warning, tornado warning, flash flood warning, whatever it

3148
04:36:13,960 --> 04:36:18,240
is gets issued that automatically get posted to the Fire Department Facebook page.

3149
04:36:19,720 --> 04:36:24,380
So, again, it takes another step out for me having to do it manually, it's just another

3150
04:36:24,380 --> 04:36:25,600
automatic way to do that.

3151
04:36:27,100 --> 04:36:31,100
And then these will also be shared on the Police Department and the City Hall Facebook

3152
04:36:31,100 --> 04:36:33,880
pages as well to reach as many people as possible.

3153
04:36:37,520 --> 04:36:39,600
So, moving on to outdoor warning sirens.

3154
04:36:40,920 --> 04:36:43,300
Kind of, I wanted to get into the purpose of the sirens.

3155
04:36:43,740 --> 04:36:46,200
A lot of people, there's some confusion with sirens.

3156
04:36:46,200 --> 04:36:48,980
Alright, we live in Texas, everyone calls them tornado sirens.

3157
04:36:51,560 --> 04:36:54,860
They are used for tornadoes, they are used for a lot more than that.

3158
04:36:55,940 --> 04:37:01,360
So basically the purpose of these sirens is to alert anyone that is outdoors, that they

3159
04:37:01,360 --> 04:37:05,280
need to go inside and get more information, and then they can take action based on that.

3160
04:37:07,040 --> 04:37:11,000
So we live in North Texas, likely we're out of storm season for now.

3161
04:37:12,120 --> 04:37:17,040
But if you hear those sirens going off, and it looks really mean outside, the sky looks

3162
04:37:17,040 --> 04:37:22,560
really mean, that means go inside, there's danger outside, sorry, go inside, there's danger

3163
04:37:22,560 --> 04:37:26,700
outside, and get more information based on what's happening in the new intake action.

3164
04:37:27,220 --> 04:37:32,120
If you hear the sirens, you go inside, oh there's a tornado warning, go to your shelter location

3165
04:37:32,120 --> 04:37:32,620
take shelter.

3166
04:37:34,950 --> 04:37:39,930
So I say they're outdoor warning sirens, they can be used for quite a few number of things.

3167
04:37:40,490 --> 04:37:42,710
So severe weather obviously is one of them.

3168
04:37:43,250 --> 04:37:45,290
That means either tornado warning is issued,

3169
04:37:45,850 --> 04:37:47,150
severe thunderstorm warning is issued

3170
04:37:47,610 --> 04:37:50,170
and they're indicating 70 mile an hour winds are greater,

3171
04:37:51,110 --> 04:37:52,670
or inch and a half hail are greater.

3172
04:37:54,090 --> 04:37:55,830
Really easy way to tell is if there's a,

3173
04:37:56,630 --> 04:37:58,210
they started doing this recently,

3174
04:37:58,210 --> 04:38:00,190
tag on the severe thunderstorm warning

3175
04:38:00,190 --> 04:38:02,670
if it's catastrophic or destructive.

3176
04:38:03,670 --> 04:38:05,070
The sirens are going to get activated for that.

3177
04:38:06,090 --> 04:38:19,290
But it could also be for a national emergency, so if there's some kind of civil unrest or a foreign nation is packing us or aliens are invading, we can activate them for that as well.

3178
04:38:20,110 --> 04:38:34,150
Or for hazards and material release, so if on 35 tanker truck overturns and they release some kind of really bad thing and we need to alert our residents that they need to go indoors and get more information, we can activate them for that as well.

3179
04:38:34,150 --> 04:38:40,330
So we can also activate them for anything else where we want some people that are outdoors

3180
04:38:40,330 --> 04:38:42,350
to go inside and get more information.

3181
04:38:43,490 --> 04:38:47,290
I think you can catch it under the trend here just when you hear them go inside and get

3182
04:38:47,290 --> 04:38:47,810
more information.

3183
04:38:49,150 --> 04:38:51,410
So some limitations on the sirens.

3184
04:38:52,390 --> 04:38:57,570
So they are only designed to be heard if you are outdoors.

3185
04:38:58,090 --> 04:38:59,730
So you may not hear them if you are in your house.

3186
04:39:00,570 --> 04:39:03,170
If you are in a storm, obviously there is really strong wind.

3187
04:39:03,170 --> 04:39:06,190
It's a lot of noise, and so you might not hear them while you're inside.

3188
04:39:06,810 --> 04:39:07,770
Blue, yes sir.

3189
04:39:08,490 --> 04:39:15,070
Please repeat that because the number of people who contacted me saying, I never heard the sirens.

3190
04:39:16,070 --> 04:39:20,050
Please repeat what you just said and say it really loud in the microphone.

3191
04:39:21,070 --> 04:39:23,910
Sirens are only designed to be heard outdoors.

3192
04:39:24,270 --> 04:39:24,730
Thank you.

3193
04:39:24,850 --> 04:39:28,270
So if you are in your house and you don't hear them, they're not defective.

3194
04:39:30,030 --> 04:39:33,690
If they're not necessarily designed to be heard in your house or in your place of business

3195
04:39:33,690 --> 04:39:34,390
wherever you are.

3196
04:39:35,970 --> 04:39:38,690
And also strong wind can affect the propagation.

3197
04:39:39,250 --> 04:39:42,830
So if you all remember with the May 28th storm, we had a strong wind coming straight out

3198
04:39:42,830 --> 04:39:43,150
of the north.

3199
04:39:43,590 --> 04:39:46,890
I think peak wind speeds near us was 83 miles an hour.

3200
04:39:47,850 --> 04:39:52,970
So really strong wind that's blowing the sound kind of away from the north.

3201
04:39:53,170 --> 04:39:54,590
So it's kind of blowing the sound south.

3202
04:39:55,350 --> 04:39:59,730
And also wind is loud so it's going to kind of drone out the siren sound.

3203
04:40:01,240 --> 04:40:07,740
So, kind of some limitations with the sirens there. So, social media, again, we're going to be

3204
04:40:07,740 --> 04:40:12,320
activating, or we're going to be posting on social media anytime there's a branch alert.

3205
04:40:12,940 --> 04:40:17,080
Does it automatically? So, I don't have to sit there and type it out. But if the sirens

3206
04:40:17,080 --> 04:40:23,020
ever do get activated for whatever reason, then we're going to be posting on there that they

3207
04:40:23,020 --> 04:40:29,280
got activated and why they got activated. So, residents are just left wondering, you know,

3208
04:40:29,800 --> 04:40:33,720
are aliens in fact invading or is it tornado or whatever it is.

3209
04:40:36,250 --> 04:40:39,330
And then just posting on whatever other sources we have available.

3210
04:40:39,530 --> 04:40:45,690
So post it on Facebook and if there's any other alerts that come out,

3211
04:40:45,910 --> 04:40:47,690
then we can also post those on social media.

3212
04:40:50,670 --> 04:40:56,570
Sometimes severe thunderstorm warning polygons don't aren't impacting the city yet.

3213
04:40:57,150 --> 04:41:00,330
They might be at some point, so we want to make sure that we're letting

3214
04:41:00,330 --> 04:41:03,410
in our residents know before they get to us what could be happening.

3215
04:41:05,470 --> 04:41:14,850
So all of this kind of leads into my goal with the sirens or not with sirens with branchalers

3216
04:41:14,850 --> 04:41:19,090
specifically is to increase the amount of people that are signed up for it.

3217
04:41:19,650 --> 04:41:23,250
Right now we only have 2,300 people registered for branchalers.

3218
04:41:24,250 --> 04:41:28,990
That could be residents, people who work here, people from outside of the city that are just

3219
04:41:28,990 --> 04:41:31,270
curious what's happening to the City of Farmer's Branch.

3220
04:41:32,790 --> 04:41:38,150
And actually between May 28th and today, we had 109 people sign up for branch alerts,

3221
04:41:38,390 --> 04:41:42,130
which is great, 109 people in two months, less than two months.

3222
04:41:42,410 --> 04:41:47,370
So I want to keep that train going, get more people to sign up for these alerts.

3223
04:41:49,210 --> 04:41:51,310
Hopefully everyone here has signed up for them.

3224
04:41:51,890 --> 04:41:56,750
If you're not, then shameless plug and go to farmer's branch tx.gov slash alerts.

3225
04:41:57,210 --> 04:41:58,690
and you can sign up for the branch alerts.

3226
04:42:00,370 --> 04:42:05,530
But now I'll have Jeff Brady come up and he can kind of talk about how we're going to increase the sign-ups.

3227
04:42:05,550 --> 04:42:06,150
Thank you.

3228
04:42:06,210 --> 04:42:06,670
Thank you, Luke.

3229
04:42:06,910 --> 04:42:07,690
That was a great summary.

3230
04:42:08,210 --> 04:42:14,150
And that does bear repeating also, farmersbranchtx.gov-alerts-alerts.

3231
04:42:14,210 --> 04:42:16,870
So anyone watching, we highly encourage the sign-ups.

3232
04:42:17,230 --> 04:42:19,190
And don't want to belabor the point.

3233
04:42:19,330 --> 04:42:21,950
Luke has already done a great job of summarizing the program itself.

3234
04:42:22,170 --> 04:42:24,050
But how do we get more people to sign up?

3235
04:42:24,050 --> 04:42:25,450
So there's two problems here.

3236
04:42:25,570 --> 04:42:26,910
One, it's not a new program.

3237
04:42:26,950 --> 04:42:29,130
People tend to lean in and pay more attention

3238
04:42:29,130 --> 04:42:30,810
if it's a new technology we're deploying,

3239
04:42:30,810 --> 04:42:32,490
which it is not in all fairness.

3240
04:42:33,070 --> 04:42:34,110
And two, it's like insurance.

3241
04:42:34,470 --> 04:42:36,270
You don't need it until you need it.

3242
04:42:36,410 --> 04:42:39,310
So God willing, 99% of the time,

3243
04:42:39,310 --> 04:42:41,270
none of us need the branch alert.

3244
04:42:41,270 --> 04:42:42,650
So it becomes kind of invisible,

3245
04:42:43,170 --> 04:42:45,030
easy to neglect or forget about.

3246
04:42:45,270 --> 04:42:47,210
But we do need to ramp up.

3247
04:42:47,550 --> 04:42:49,370
And so what Luke and I came up with

3248
04:42:49,370 --> 04:42:52,390
is maybe a long-term campaign,

3249
04:42:52,550 --> 04:42:53,750
maybe a seasonal campaign,

3250
04:42:53,750 --> 04:42:59,170
Maybe every year, we have a sign-up campaign that lasts up to three months long.

3251
04:42:59,370 --> 04:43:02,510
Maybe it's just one month, but we have multiple ways we can reach people.

3252
04:43:02,550 --> 04:43:06,470
Of course, the branch bulletin, the e-newsletter, has a high open rate,

3253
04:43:06,470 --> 04:43:08,430
social media that Luke has already mentioned.

3254
04:43:08,890 --> 04:43:14,490
We have digital monitors that have a slide that says please sign up for a branch alert.

3255
04:43:14,650 --> 04:43:15,550
Here's how to do it.

3256
04:43:15,710 --> 04:43:17,450
And it's in a continual rotation.

3257
04:43:17,810 --> 04:43:21,890
So it's up there all the time for anyone who is in a city building.

3258
04:43:21,890 --> 04:43:26,110
And, of course, the branch review printed newsletter goes out monthly.

3259
04:43:26,270 --> 04:43:32,470
We can deploy that during this seasonal sign-up campaign, and the FB forecast is a weekly

3260
04:43:32,470 --> 04:43:35,450
video that we produce and distribute on Instagram and Facebook.

3261
04:43:36,150 --> 04:43:41,830
So there are a lot of means that we can use to deploy people, but the main thing is it's

3262
04:43:41,830 --> 04:43:43,270
not just a one-and-done thing.

3263
04:43:43,410 --> 04:43:49,170
We really feel like this should perhaps be something we do annually, maybe before severe

3264
04:43:49,170 --> 04:43:54,890
weather season whenever that is I mean we have a lot of them right so hail or ice or tornadoes so

3265
04:43:54,890 --> 04:43:59,910
but the point is maybe we pick a month and we emphasize now's the time remember don't forget

3266
04:43:59,910 --> 04:44:04,690
this is the season to sign up for branch alerts and we hope to raise that number so

3267
04:44:05,790 --> 04:44:10,450
and that's all we have but do any of you have questions about the program or how we intend to

3268
04:44:11,230 --> 04:44:12,190
increase enrollment

3269
04:44:15,200 --> 04:44:20,540
questions comments yeah thank you for this presentation

3270
04:44:22,180 --> 04:44:27,840
I think it's very much needed and I think we do need to re-emphasize this to our residents.

3271
04:44:29,100 --> 04:44:35,120
I too was receiving many calls about the sirens, not their inability to hear their sirens.

3272
04:44:36,080 --> 04:44:38,580
And just a quick note on the sirens.

3273
04:44:39,080 --> 04:44:47,260
Are the sirens periodically tested if so, how often when, just for the residents to understand when they do hear this?

3274
04:44:48,140 --> 04:44:50,520
Yes, so I clarify that for the residents.

3275
04:44:50,820 --> 04:44:51,360
Yeah, absolutely.

3276
04:44:51,740 --> 04:44:55,900
We test the sirens every month on the first Wednesday of every month at 1 p.m.

3277
04:44:56,500 --> 04:44:59,920
Weather permitting, obviously if it looks like it's about to rain.

3278
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:28,600
No, it is raining. We're not going to test them because that might be misinterpreted as severe weather or something else happening. But yes, we do test them once a month. So the first Wednesday of every month at 1 p.m. Yes, sir. Whether permitting or whatever to test the valid that. And just to follow on with that is there a similar type of testing validation with the Everbridge program.

3279
04:45:28,600 --> 04:45:31,660
that you noticed, you had encountered a few issues here recently,

3280
04:45:31,840 --> 04:45:34,780
is there any kind of regularly scheduled testing evaluation

3281
04:45:34,780 --> 04:45:36,200
of that to make sure?

3282
04:45:37,220 --> 04:45:39,820
At this time, no, we don't have any kind of regular testing.

3283
04:45:40,480 --> 04:45:44,840
They do go out fairly regularly, especially during the spring.

3284
04:45:45,660 --> 04:45:47,820
So they do get tested very well during that time.

3285
04:45:48,280 --> 04:45:50,740
But right now, we don't have any regular testing that we do.

3286
04:45:51,760 --> 04:45:56,680
OK, and another thing I was wanted to inquire about

3287
04:45:56,680 --> 04:46:01,780
How was the ease of which a resident could participate in the alerts?

3288
04:46:02,880 --> 04:46:14,660
Understand that there are some cities around us, other jurisdictions where you can just text your phone number to some place and you're automatically added to the list for the alerts.

3289
04:46:14,940 --> 04:46:23,420
Is that something we could do here or look into doing without having to create an account with all these details?

3290
04:46:24,040 --> 04:46:28,540
Just so it's easier and similarly to opt out if you want to get out of it as well.

3291
04:46:28,640 --> 04:46:31,940
Is it something we can do or not with our current system?

3292
04:46:31,980 --> 04:46:34,560
So with Everbridge, I checked with them.

3293
04:46:34,720 --> 04:46:47,020
There is not a way to do that with our current system in that kind of owes to the customized customization that you can do with it.

3294
04:46:47,060 --> 04:46:52,160
So you can pick which alerts you receive, where the alerts go, whether it's text,

3295
04:46:52,160 --> 04:46:58,060
text, phone call, email, and you can put in multiple numbers and emails so that you get

3296
04:46:58,060 --> 04:46:58,360
better.

3297
04:46:58,500 --> 04:47:03,100
So that's just, it's not an option at all with them or is it like an add-on type of

3298
04:47:03,100 --> 04:47:04,680
fee that we'd have to pay for or something?

3299
04:47:05,040 --> 04:47:05,280
No.

3300
04:47:05,540 --> 04:47:06,280
It's not available.

3301
04:47:06,720 --> 04:47:06,840
Yeah.

3302
04:47:06,960 --> 04:47:09,360
With Everbridge, you have to create the account.

3303
04:47:10,920 --> 04:47:16,200
Is there another program that we could utilize that could then interface with Everbridge in

3304
04:47:16,200 --> 04:47:19,980
a sense we could just sign up easily with a text message and that information is also shared

3305
04:47:19,980 --> 04:47:22,180
would ever bridge and be engaged in the program?

3306
04:47:22,500 --> 04:47:23,980
It is helpful to be able to customize.

3307
04:47:24,380 --> 04:47:30,180
So if you just texted a number then you wouldn't be able to customize exactly what kind of alerts you'd be receiving.

3308
04:47:30,820 --> 04:47:37,880
So it seems like this is, it's a pretty helpful program in that you can dial in exactly what sort of alerts you want to receive.

3309
04:47:39,860 --> 04:47:46,400
So if I wanted all alerts, I would have to do extra signups or.

3310
04:47:46,400 --> 04:47:51,620
No, you just click all this checkbox use checkbox check the one that you want to receive

3311
04:47:52,800 --> 04:47:58,340
It's all the questions I have but thank you very much appreciate the presentation. Oh one last thing. I'm sorry just escaped me

3312
04:48:04,480 --> 04:48:06,100
Is there a

3313
04:48:07,320 --> 04:48:08,780
process or procedure

3314
04:48:09,960 --> 04:48:10,520
for

3315
04:48:12,580 --> 04:48:13,660
Council mayor

3316
04:48:14,520 --> 04:48:19,800
Department heads to be notified when there's an issue going on in the city

3317
04:48:19,800 --> 04:48:22,920
I'm thinking of like an old school call tree.

3318
04:48:23,420 --> 04:48:24,420
We have a list of phone numbers.

3319
04:48:24,720 --> 04:48:25,300
We have this event.

3320
04:48:25,380 --> 04:48:26,580
We get on this list of phone numbers.

3321
04:48:26,740 --> 04:48:27,340
We call people.

3322
04:48:27,500 --> 04:48:29,980
Hey, this is going on in the event

3323
04:48:29,980 --> 04:48:32,080
that maybe Everbridge is not functioning

3324
04:48:32,080 --> 04:48:35,600
or email systems are down or textings.

3325
04:48:36,120 --> 04:48:36,700
I don't know is it?

3326
04:48:36,880 --> 04:48:38,360
Is there anything like a call tree

3327
04:48:38,860 --> 04:48:41,000
here in the city for notifying?

3328
04:48:41,760 --> 04:48:44,680
So there, there may be a system through Entech

3329
04:48:45,170 --> 04:48:47,220
using some kind of reverse 911 system.

3330
04:48:47,220 --> 04:48:50,060
and there's not one that I'm aware of right now.

3331
04:48:50,720 --> 04:48:53,120
We can figure that out and get back to you.

3332
04:48:53,220 --> 04:48:53,340
Okay.

3333
04:48:54,180 --> 04:48:54,960
Okay, thanks.

3334
04:48:55,400 --> 04:48:56,420
Ben will call you.

3335
04:48:59,500 --> 04:49:01,060
So Ben, put me on the list.

3336
04:49:01,300 --> 04:49:02,080
Give me a call please.

3337
04:49:03,660 --> 04:49:04,440
You're on the list.

3338
04:49:04,800 --> 04:49:05,360
Luke, thank you.

3339
04:49:05,460 --> 04:49:08,500
I want to say thank you again because I'd sent an email

3340
04:49:08,500 --> 04:49:12,100
to Ben and he forwarded to you about a couple of residents

3341
04:49:12,100 --> 04:49:13,780
that said that they didn't receive alerts.

3342
04:49:14,700 --> 04:49:31,160
And the way in which you handled that and the level of detail that you were able to then provide back to me and to the residents was a very strong indication that you take your job very seriously and that resident safety is extremely important to you.

3343
04:49:31,360 --> 04:49:37,280
So first I want to say a big thank you to you for taking that request very seriously.

3344
04:49:40,560 --> 04:49:49,680
The other thing too, it's quite enlightening. I thought when the sirens went off, I was supposed to go outside, live on Facebook, and show everybody the tornadoes.

3345
04:49:49,680 --> 04:49:51,300
That's what tree Texans always say.

3346
04:49:51,520 --> 04:49:58,700
Right, right. But I've heard the same thing, folks. I'm in my house. I can't hear it. Well, there's not design for that.

3347
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:28,220
A few suggestions are just thoughts because I'd love a 2300 registered users on the Everbridge systems. That's great, but we have a long way to go there. It is, you know, maybe you've done this and I've just missed it, but have a sign up table and encourage people at different events, city events. We have didn't drive a lot of going on. I'm assuming if people are coming from Carrollton,

3348
04:50:28,220 --> 04:50:30,940
Does Carlton subscribe to Everbridge?

3349
04:50:30,940 --> 04:50:35,600
We can help other people in other cities sign up on their phones.

3350
04:50:35,980 --> 04:50:39,600
So half folks available to help assist people.

3351
04:50:39,680 --> 04:50:44,920
Because I signed up for Branch Alert as well recently.

3352
04:50:45,300 --> 04:50:51,420
And I kind of felt like the sign-up process was not the greatest user experience,

3353
04:50:51,420 --> 04:50:55,920
but I understand that I don't want tsunami warnings

3354
04:50:55,920 --> 04:51:03,960
and a lot of your relevant stuff and I want text or I want phone call or that kind of thing so

3355
04:51:03,960 --> 04:51:11,340
it does make sense albeit it takes a little bit more work some folks could use some help in

3356
04:51:11,340 --> 04:51:17,220
that process and some folks may be avoiding it just because they went there and like I don't

3357
04:51:17,220 --> 04:51:18,760
that abandoned.

3358
04:51:22,000 --> 04:51:27,380
Train the folks at the Rec Center, you know. So when people come in, you

3359
04:51:27,380 --> 04:51:32,500
know, hey, you signed up to get branch alerts in case of bad weather or emergencies, you

3360
04:51:32,500 --> 04:51:39,880
know, and they have a dialogue. Folks here at the service desk, you know, make that a part

3361
04:51:39,880 --> 04:51:45,320
of their normal dialogue when they encounter residents, you know, before they say goodbye,

3362
04:51:45,320 --> 04:51:55,360
have a good day, you know, have you signed up for branch alerts and promote that there branch

3363
04:51:55,360 --> 04:52:03,040
connection when that reopens library. There's a ton of opportunity to interact and we don't have

3364
04:52:03,040 --> 04:52:12,500
to have you or our fire department or police doing it. We can train staff and multiply very quickly

3365
04:52:14,640 --> 04:52:20,500
the registrations and I think that we'll get us a lot, a lot of knowledge.

3366
04:52:22,200 --> 04:52:28,960
Yeah, and I will say the other four cities, I guess the other three cities, I'll use average system too.

3367
04:52:29,060 --> 04:52:35,720
So Cappell, Carlton and Madison, all through Intek, our agreement is all through Intek, so all four cities.

3368
04:52:36,060 --> 04:52:38,700
Okay, good, yeah, so we all use the same system.

3369
04:52:40,160 --> 04:52:49,380
But yeah, definitely getting some other people trained to get people signed up and yeah, I'm always pushing to get more people on the system.

3370
04:52:50,160 --> 04:52:57,420
Yeah, I mean, I think if we just maybe then we have some kind of contest, you know, a staff or something.

3371
04:52:57,620 --> 04:52:58,460
Sign people up.

3372
04:52:58,600 --> 04:52:59,580
I signed up two friends.

3373
04:52:59,780 --> 04:53:00,800
They signed up two friends.

3374
04:53:00,800 --> 04:53:05,140
and they've seen everybody's got a subscription to it,

3375
04:53:05,220 --> 04:53:08,480
but it could be something fun and it could really,

3376
04:53:09,000 --> 04:53:11,500
really promote in a fun way.

3377
04:53:13,980 --> 04:53:14,800
That's all I have.

3378
04:53:15,000 --> 04:53:15,880
Thank you very much for the update.

3379
04:53:16,120 --> 04:53:16,780
Yes sir, thank you.

3380
04:53:17,340 --> 04:53:17,760
Anybody?

3381
04:53:18,880 --> 04:53:19,520
Yes sir.

3382
04:53:20,360 --> 04:53:24,140
I just want to echo what Councilman Jackson said.

3383
04:53:25,640 --> 04:53:29,400
The interactions that we've had with you

3384
04:53:29,400 --> 04:53:33,140
and has been phenomenal, so I really appreciate that.

3385
04:53:33,140 --> 04:53:33,920
It's a great service.

3386
04:53:34,600 --> 04:53:38,840
I use it myself, so that shows it can't be that difficult

3387
04:53:38,840 --> 04:53:40,400
to sign up for if I can do it.

3388
04:53:41,600 --> 04:53:43,020
One of the things I was thinking, you know,

3389
04:53:43,120 --> 04:53:46,480
people are always looking for free stuff, right?

3390
04:53:46,860 --> 04:53:47,220
It's true.

3391
04:53:47,500 --> 04:53:51,740
So maybe have a monthly drawing, you know,

3392
04:53:52,160 --> 04:53:54,320
$20 gift cards, something like that.

3393
04:53:54,700 --> 04:53:58,460
The only way you get into it by signing up,

3394
04:53:58,460 --> 04:54:04,220
And then you can actually possibly send the winter notification through the system.

3395
04:54:05,300 --> 04:54:10,600
Yeah, you know, this month's winter is Dave Reed, a $20 crore card or something.

3396
04:54:11,180 --> 04:54:13,920
Yeah, you know, it's a way to entice people.

3397
04:54:14,900 --> 04:54:16,520
Absolutely, sir.

3398
04:54:16,580 --> 04:54:17,500
Thank you.

3399
04:54:18,940 --> 04:54:19,340
Anything?

3400
04:54:20,640 --> 04:54:20,960
Okay.

3401
04:54:21,280 --> 04:54:22,560
Thank you very much.

3402
04:54:22,660 --> 04:54:23,300
Sir, thank you.

3403
04:54:23,360 --> 04:54:23,980
Appreciate it.

3404
04:54:24,400 --> 04:54:28,860
Next up is C7, receiving update regarding economic development programs.

3405
04:54:41,460 --> 04:54:45,280
Hello again, Parliamentary Director of Economic Development, Tourism and Planning.

3406
04:54:45,800 --> 04:54:49,740
What I wanted to do is to be in a new director, I wanted to bring over all the programs we have.

3407
04:54:49,960 --> 04:54:53,460
So this month you get economic development programs, next month you get tourism,

3408
04:54:53,740 --> 04:54:57,000
but I do want to stress this is not just what economic development does.

3409
04:54:57,500 --> 04:54:58,780
This is just the programs we have.

3410
04:54:59,320 --> 04:54:59,980
We do much more.

3411
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:29,980
So these are the programs that we currently have in place, and then we'll go over each program. So we currently have the Texas PACE program, neighborhood partnership program, commercial facade, demo rebuilt, and the Renaissance. Texas PACE program was established back in 2017. This is a state funded, state organized. This was more for informational purposes and an ordinance that was required by the city, but we don't manage this one, but we do have it as an advertiser.

3412
04:55:29,980 --> 04:55:34,660
on our website. The Neighborhood Partnership Program was approved by Council on February

3413
04:55:34,660 --> 04:55:41,520
2020. Program did expire last year in March. This is an economic incentive for Neighborhood

3414
04:55:41,520 --> 04:55:46,940
Groups to perform projects to enhance the property. Applications are due October and April,

3415
04:55:47,460 --> 04:55:51,460
and then of course we bring them to Council. We had a total of three participants. There

3416
04:55:51,460 --> 04:55:56,620
is one participant that applied, but as I stated, the program expired, so that did not go

3417
04:55:56,620 --> 04:56:00,600
forward. I do plan on bringing a resolution next month to see if this is the

3418
04:56:00,600 --> 04:56:05,640
program you guys want to continue so that applicant can re-apply. Commercial

3419
04:56:05,640 --> 04:56:09,860
foot saw revitalization. This was approved in council 2012. There's no

3420
04:56:09,860 --> 04:56:13,420
expiration of this program currently. This is somewhat like the neighborhood

3421
04:56:13,420 --> 04:56:17,820
partnership but more for commercial programs and funding up to 50,000 with a

3422
04:56:17,820 --> 04:56:22,660
minimum project of two. We had 25 total commercial business participants and one

3423
04:56:22,660 --> 04:56:26,220
currently that submitted application, which I will bring again next month.

3424
04:56:27,480 --> 04:56:31,580
Demo rebuild program, this was approved by Council in 2009.

3425
04:56:32,300 --> 04:56:36,640
It was also amended in 2009 to include builders and developers.

3426
04:56:36,640 --> 04:56:39,800
This was more of a residential single family home program.

3427
04:56:40,480 --> 04:56:46,000
This is a cash and tax rebate incentive to demolish old homes and build new homes up to

3428
04:56:46,000 --> 04:56:50,300
$30,000 in a cash rebate or seven years of property tax.

3429
04:56:50,300 --> 04:56:56,280
We had a total of 134 participants and three currently that are having to go through the application process.

3430
04:56:58,000 --> 04:57:00,520
Renaissance program is the last program we're going to go over.

3431
04:57:00,760 --> 04:57:05,080
This was formally going through all the documents on this was pretty fun.

3432
04:57:05,540 --> 04:57:13,000
So this was formally back in 1998 and it was considered the dangerous structure fund prior to the 2006 resolution.

3433
04:57:13,420 --> 04:57:17,500
This is where the city would purchase the properties, demolish them,

3434
04:57:17,500 --> 04:57:23,600
and then sell the land to, it was usually sold to the developers, and this was a total of 76 total properties.

3435
04:57:25,080 --> 04:57:31,680
And so that was just the programs and a quick brief, but if you guys have any questions regarding any of these program specifics, I'm here to answer them.

3436
04:57:32,420 --> 04:57:32,820
Council.

3437
04:57:34,500 --> 04:57:35,660
Council on any questions?

3438
04:57:41,520 --> 04:57:53,280
I seem to recall from my predecessor there was some discussion about re-evaluation on the demo rebuild program with the structuring of the fees.

3439
04:57:53,640 --> 04:57:56,800
Am I missing something here? What's that already taken care of?

3440
04:58:00,220 --> 04:58:06,900
It had been talked about, but it's more perlose looking for what direction this council and its current form is that something we still want to bring back and look at.

3441
04:58:06,900 --> 04:58:08,620
that just where are we going with some of these topics.

3442
04:58:09,020 --> 04:58:11,960
And so that hasn't been changed in recent years.

3443
04:58:12,000 --> 04:58:17,940
I know that cost of building is going up, and I didn't know if we need adjustments in that area, that's all.

3444
04:58:20,540 --> 04:58:24,980
I believe all these programs that value our city, I'm in favor of continuing on all of them, so.

3445
04:58:29,060 --> 04:58:29,620
Thank you.

3446
04:58:30,000 --> 04:58:30,220
All right.

3447
04:58:30,860 --> 04:58:31,480
Thank you.

3448
04:58:34,990 --> 04:58:36,190
Next up is CA.

3449
04:58:36,770 --> 04:58:40,590
Receive a report and discuss updates to the minor home repair program.

3450
04:58:54,250 --> 04:58:57,050
Any air and council, Jennifer, any assistance to the city manager?

3451
04:58:58,050 --> 04:59:06,210
So at the request of council member, I'm sorry mayor pro Tim Roman, I'm presenting an update to the minor home repair program.

3452
04:59:06,950 --> 04:59:10,030
So this was presented back in February, I believe it was.

3453
04:59:10,190 --> 04:59:16,090
It was quick and new to my role and learned quite a bit, especially over the past, the past Memorial Day storms.

3454
04:59:16,090 --> 04:59:17,810
That was a really big impact for our community.

3455
04:59:18,350 --> 04:59:21,830
Luke and Jeff have shared significant information about that.

3456
04:59:21,830 --> 04:59:25,570
And we've received quite a few calls about this minor home repair program.

3457
04:59:25,850 --> 04:59:30,730
Over the past seven months since I've been in my position, I've also received a few phone calls about this position.

3458
04:59:31,350 --> 04:59:41,090
Often those have been from realtors, so they're seeking a program to help their future buyers or sellers upgrade their home to get rid of it.

3459
04:59:41,430 --> 04:59:44,910
So in those situations, it wouldn't necessarily qualify for this, but we'll jump into this first.

3460
04:59:45,870 --> 04:59:47,830
So the program objectives would remain the same.

3461
04:59:47,830 --> 04:59:59,970
The program or objectives as is is to bring a single family owner occupied residents into compliance with the city's residential property maintenance standards and or protect the health and safety of residents and

3462
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:12,700
And the neighborhood provide for accessibility modifications, improve the livability of a property and or the neighborhood. And then when an owner occupant lacks sufficient financial resources of their own to repair that need.

3463
05:00:15,970 --> 05:00:32,030
So, as I've had a few months of operating this program and seeing those types of calls that we received, I've looked over some of our peer communities and what they're doing, especially in situations where they don't have CDBG funds so they're lower population size. They don't have that CDB chat.

3464
05:00:32,030 --> 05:00:37,670
the CDBG funding that is typically resource through their community services or the neighborhood services department.

3465
05:00:38,090 --> 05:00:44,950
So our current program was a 12-month pilot program and it was budgeted with $75,000 from the general fund.

3466
05:00:45,390 --> 05:00:49,250
It was a cost matching program so it was received as a 50% grant.

3467
05:00:49,910 --> 05:00:57,370
So if the project was $75, $7,500, the resident would be required to pay off and we would pay the other half.

3468
05:00:57,370 --> 05:01:02,810
We also used eligibility in the current program, utilizing the high low income limits.

3469
05:01:03,050 --> 05:01:06,330
So that's at 80% median family income or below.

3470
05:01:07,650 --> 05:01:12,670
That comes into play in a couple of those phone conversations that I've had with residents where they just are over that.

3471
05:01:12,710 --> 05:01:19,130
They're 100 or 200 or $300 per month over that eligibility window.

3472
05:01:20,090 --> 05:01:25,910
So the residents provide bank statements, pay steps, tax returns, copy of their deed when they're applying for that.

3473
05:01:25,910 --> 05:01:32,890
And then the following their eligibility approval, the city would then bid that, quote, that, and the repair was completed.

3474
05:01:33,650 --> 05:01:40,710
It was secured via a first or second lien for up to seven years, and that was based on the total value of the project.

3475
05:01:42,070 --> 05:01:49,210
And we had one project that was funded, we did have some, as I said, some community interest in other projects.

3476
05:01:49,210 --> 05:01:54,550
And they oftentimes in those discussions, the residents either self-discollify them, so

3477
05:01:54,550 --> 05:01:58,770
they would disqualify themselves, or it was a realtor who was seeking to improve a

3478
05:01:58,770 --> 05:02:01,690
listing prior to it listing.

3479
05:02:02,370 --> 05:02:05,170
And so in that situation, this program wouldn't be for that.

3480
05:02:05,310 --> 05:02:11,210
It's intent is for owner-occupied residences in that they would remain there.

3481
05:02:12,790 --> 05:02:18,390
So provided quite a few proposed updates should Council seek to continue this program.

3482
05:02:19,070 --> 05:02:24,170
providing that we would transition from that cost matching grant to a just a

3483
05:02:24,170 --> 05:02:25,930
straight grant up to $5,000.

3484
05:02:26,550 --> 05:02:31,010
So in many of those situations when the residents are facing an income restricted,

3485
05:02:32,110 --> 05:02:36,630
they're income restricted already, but they're facing a situation where a catastrophe happens

3486
05:02:36,630 --> 05:02:41,770
like the Memorial Day storms, they are maybe paycheck to paycheck in those situations

3487
05:02:41,770 --> 05:02:45,390
and don't have the ability to do that cost match.

3488
05:02:45,390 --> 05:02:56,730
So if the repair to their home is $2,000 and they simply don't have $2,000 in our current program that cost match would require that they pay $1,000.

3489
05:02:57,110 --> 05:03:05,250
And one situation a resident was going back and forth on whether or not to apply or apply to some partnership programs with MetroCross Services.

3490
05:03:05,850 --> 05:03:13,870
And her situation was, do I pay my mortgage and stay up to date on my mortgage so that I don't go in default there.

3491
05:03:13,870 --> 05:03:17,390
or do I pay for a home repair so that I can continue to live here?

3492
05:03:18,550 --> 05:03:25,330
So in this recommendation, we've recommended that grant be up to $5,000 with no project

3493
05:03:25,330 --> 05:03:27,590
total cap on that.

3494
05:03:27,990 --> 05:03:29,870
So that would remove that cost matching restriction.

3495
05:03:30,350 --> 05:03:34,750
Similarly, we would recommend updating that eligibility via market home value and home

3496
05:03:34,750 --> 05:03:37,050
study exemption as verified by decad data.

3497
05:03:37,670 --> 05:03:42,150
So in the situations post memorial day storms, there's a lot of panic and chaos and maybe

3498
05:03:42,150 --> 05:03:45,710
be a tree that's smashed down in somebody's yard, and they just don't have the capacity

3499
05:03:45,710 --> 05:03:48,630
to go and get that tree removed.

3500
05:03:49,170 --> 05:03:53,230
So they're panicked about those things, they're concerned about their safety, they're concerned

3501
05:03:53,230 --> 05:03:57,770
about their home and their property, and then we're asking them, please provide us all of

3502
05:03:57,770 --> 05:03:58,270
this document.

3503
05:03:58,490 --> 05:04:03,750
So hopefully just to make some efficiencies there, we're seeking a proposed shift to switch

3504
05:04:03,750 --> 05:04:08,850
that from eligibility with all of this documentation, to eligibility via market home value and a

3505
05:04:08,850 --> 05:04:14,250
homestead exemption, that's easy to verify, it's easy for staff to verify as well, and

3506
05:04:14,250 --> 05:04:16,010
hopefully make that process a lot smoother.

3507
05:04:17,330 --> 05:04:20,090
Similar, we'd still do the three quotes reviewed by a city contractor.

3508
05:04:20,590 --> 05:04:25,550
It did propose that we utilize a city selected general contractor for review.

3509
05:04:25,910 --> 05:04:29,190
So, whether the resident receives those quotes, we get those quotes.

3510
05:04:29,390 --> 05:04:34,030
However, those quotes are received, that we review those for accuracy and

3511
05:04:34,030 --> 05:04:37,790
to go and visit that site and assure that that's correct service that's needed,

3512
05:04:37,790 --> 05:04:39,650
that a contractor isn't over inflating.

3513
05:04:40,310 --> 05:04:44,010
I know if you told me my roof was going to be repaired and it was going to cost $10,000

3514
05:04:44,010 --> 05:04:47,670
or it was going to cost $3,000, I don't know the difference.

3515
05:04:47,710 --> 05:04:51,390
I'm not a subject matter expert on roof repair and many of our residents aren't either.

3516
05:04:51,630 --> 05:04:54,830
And so we want to make sure that we have a general contractor that can review that for

3517
05:04:54,830 --> 05:04:57,010
applicability and then also for selection.

3518
05:04:57,950 --> 05:04:59,890
So the city would pay up to $5,000 for that.

3519
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:29,980
Selected, quote, and the resident would be responsible for any additional cost. We are going to run, I do anticipate running into situations where the resident wouldn't be able to afford those additional costs. That's just one of those situations. Look, a limited budget for this program. That would be a unique situation but an unfortunate situation. On this, the city contractor would also regularly visit during the project after it had been approved. So we do recommend that the resident does not start work on this project until it's

3520
05:05:29,980 --> 05:05:33,280
been approved because it would no longer be eligible. So it couldn't be something that they

3521
05:05:33,280 --> 05:05:37,480
started already, that they began working on, and it couldn't be something that they started

3522
05:05:37,480 --> 05:05:40,700
work without a permit specifically. We want to make sure they're still following all of the

3523
05:05:40,700 --> 05:05:44,920
other expectations that we have as a city. So that city contractor would go and regularly visit,

3524
05:05:45,080 --> 05:05:48,640
this would be that general contractor, would go and take pictures of the progress,

3525
05:05:48,940 --> 05:05:53,520
ensure that the construction is being done, and then also do a final inspection of that.

3526
05:05:54,160 --> 05:05:57,980
And then reducing that lean on the property.

3527
05:05:58,220 --> 05:06:03,340
So the resident, we would seek that they agree to remain an owner occupant for three

3528
05:06:03,340 --> 05:06:04,980
years via their application process.

3529
05:06:05,440 --> 05:06:08,000
But many of them had concerns about the lean.

3530
05:06:08,840 --> 05:06:15,300
Putting a seven year lean on somebody's property is overwhelming, especially when it's a resident

3531
05:06:15,300 --> 05:06:18,920
who is paycheck to paycheck in those situations.

3532
05:06:18,920 --> 05:06:26,560
There was some conflict or some tension in those conversations on what the program currently has.

3533
05:06:29,490 --> 05:06:33,770
So the proposed program phases would be that homeowner inquiry.

3534
05:06:33,990 --> 05:06:37,410
So following those memorial days, storms, the homeowner would submit an application,

3535
05:06:38,010 --> 05:06:41,910
that documentation, and description or photos of damage that they need.

3536
05:06:42,470 --> 05:06:44,690
The application would be reviewed for city staff for eligibility.

3537
05:06:44,690 --> 05:06:49,090
We check their decad information to ensure that their property is below that

3538
05:06:49,090 --> 05:06:55,830
that median property value, I believe that was roughly $380,000 or so, I'll double check that number.

3539
05:06:56,430 --> 05:06:58,530
And then we would go out and do that initial inspection.

3540
05:06:58,790 --> 05:07:02,970
That's where that contractor would go out, review and inspect onsite to verify the project needs.

3541
05:07:03,490 --> 05:07:08,590
That contractor hasn't given them a quote for the repair of their fence, but

3542
05:07:08,590 --> 05:07:11,570
also the repair of things that maybe don't qualify for that program.

3543
05:07:12,410 --> 05:07:15,170
And then we would review those three quotes for applicability.

3544
05:07:15,770 --> 05:07:21,030
Following that, the homeowner would then be notified that they had received approval or denial by city staff.

3545
05:07:21,610 --> 05:07:25,010
And then that selected quote, contractor would also be notified.

3546
05:07:25,230 --> 05:07:28,570
We'd want to make sure that they are both notified before the work begins.

3547
05:07:29,770 --> 05:07:33,210
They would commence work, they would still have to go through the typical permitting process.

3548
05:07:33,830 --> 05:07:37,850
Our community services department handles that and so we're not trying to sidestep that.

3549
05:07:37,930 --> 05:07:43,150
They would still be required to handle that through their contractor and then that project oversight.

3550
05:07:43,150 --> 05:07:50,470
So our review contractor, that general contractor, would go out regularly to visit, to evaluate, take progress, and to update staff.

3551
05:07:51,010 --> 05:07:59,710
That was, we would combine or compile all of that information, and then we'll complete that final inspection to verify the project has been completed along with photo documentation.

3552
05:08:00,650 --> 05:08:02,550
And then finally, a project closed out.

3553
05:08:05,090 --> 05:08:05,610
That's what I've got.

3554
05:08:06,890 --> 05:08:12,050
Thank you very much, questions, delta.

3555
05:08:14,150 --> 05:08:14,850
Thank you, Jennifer.

3556
05:08:15,090 --> 05:08:20,710
This is a pretty cool program, is this common in other cities, do you know?

3557
05:08:21,430 --> 05:08:25,990
There were a few smaller cities that do have it, a smaller being under that 50,000 CDBG.

3558
05:08:26,530 --> 05:08:31,730
Some of our neighbors in other areas, I believe I pulled a Wilmer or something like this,

3559
05:08:31,990 --> 05:08:33,030
something a little bit further.

3560
05:08:33,030 --> 05:08:38,550
But I did find some smaller cities are just starting to build these type of programs.

3561
05:08:38,950 --> 05:08:49,170
We actually had a peer community just north of us who copied much of what our original program was and has just presented that within the past year to their counsel for creation.

3562
05:08:49,810 --> 05:08:58,870
Okay, and maybe you said this and I may have missed it, but the current program, how much have we spent thus far?

3563
05:08:58,870 --> 05:09:01,330
Oh, it was below $10,000. I don't want to-

3564
05:09:01,330 --> 05:09:02,350
Less than 10,000.

3565
05:09:02,350 --> 05:09:03,930
Less than 10,000 only one project funded.

3566
05:09:04,030 --> 05:09:06,630
So how do people know that this program exists?

3567
05:09:07,310 --> 05:09:07,930
That's a great question.

3568
05:09:08,250 --> 05:09:11,990
So there hasn't been a significant amount of marketing on this.

3569
05:09:12,190 --> 05:09:19,290
It is limited in supply, so significant marketing would create high demand for low supply.

3570
05:09:19,690 --> 05:09:21,010
Maybe some areas of discontent.

3571
05:09:21,470 --> 05:09:27,530
However, if we were to move forward with this based off the recommendations provided in whatever council direction,

3572
05:09:27,530 --> 05:09:34,210
I would expect and I would hope that our CSRs, our customer support representatives are

3573
05:09:34,210 --> 05:09:36,670
educated first, also our code enforcement officers.

3574
05:09:37,230 --> 05:09:40,770
I believe that they are out in the community, the most, they're interacting with our residents.

3575
05:09:40,850 --> 05:09:42,810
They're the ones knocking on doors, helping people.

3576
05:09:42,890 --> 05:09:46,650
I know you've received the compliments of the team who's been moving the tires or

3577
05:09:46,650 --> 05:09:48,510
moving the tree limbs to assist residents.

3578
05:09:48,930 --> 05:09:51,310
So a lot of times it's word of mouth to provide that.

3579
05:09:51,710 --> 05:09:56,490
But again, making sure that we have correct and updated information on our website,

3580
05:09:56,490 --> 05:09:59,870
correct enough updated flyers and handouts so that when they're out in the

3581
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:06,680
If they see a situation, or they encounter a resident who says, I just can't afford it, I know there was a discussion about the dogs,

3582
05:10:06,860 --> 05:10:13,180
if there's a fence, that's in disrepair, and the individual simply can't afford to fix their fence.

3583
05:10:13,800 --> 05:10:20,900
This is a situation where both are code enforcement officers or animal services officer, animal service officers could provide that flyer and information.

3584
05:10:20,900 --> 05:10:27,080
Yeah, I would think code enforcement would be one point of discovery.

3585
05:10:28,280 --> 05:10:35,720
Maybe Metricrest services, make them aware of this program if we haven't, but they serve

3586
05:10:35,720 --> 05:10:40,140
a lot of our, the number of former branch families that are in need.

3587
05:10:43,360 --> 05:10:50,260
When we have the initial inspection and there's a contractor that reviews three quotes for

3588
05:10:50,260 --> 05:11:00,060
work. Is this contractor creating any kind of a liability situation for our city and saying,

3589
05:11:00,280 --> 05:11:12,380
hey, this contractor has a best service or quality or whatever, is that an opportunity

3590
05:11:12,380 --> 05:11:18,060
for liability? What if that particular contractor actually doesn't do a good job or something

3591
05:11:18,060 --> 05:11:23,540
Anything else happens? Is there any recourse against the city in that regard?

3592
05:11:23,760 --> 05:11:27,220
No, it's possible that we're going to get sued for something if something goes wrong.

3593
05:11:28,020 --> 05:11:30,840
We can build protections into the system and into the process.

3594
05:11:31,280 --> 05:11:37,420
My understanding is that we would be using rather than in-house staff and

3595
05:11:37,420 --> 05:11:41,080
outside professional that would supervise the monitor.

3596
05:11:41,480 --> 05:11:47,640
Correct. Through that professional services agreement, we can do that.

3597
05:11:47,640 --> 05:11:50,600
and things like performance bonds and things like that.

3598
05:11:51,140 --> 05:11:53,760
Definitely want to make sure that we build in some protections.

3599
05:11:53,760 --> 05:11:57,340
The last thing I want to do is try to do something good here

3600
05:11:57,340 --> 05:11:59,460
and it turns around and bites us, right?

3601
05:12:01,860 --> 05:12:05,160
You know, I don't know that I would favor going out

3602
05:12:05,160 --> 05:12:07,060
and promoting the program necessarily.

3603
05:12:07,060 --> 05:12:09,980
I think that those people that really, really need it

3604
05:12:11,020 --> 05:12:13,380
would probably find it in-

3605
05:12:13,380 --> 05:12:15,180
We're aware of many of that, yeah.

3606
05:12:15,560 --> 05:12:16,540
Right, exactly.

3607
05:12:16,540 --> 05:12:20,780
And just to speak to the Metricress Services, we do have a little bit of a program overlap.

3608
05:12:20,980 --> 05:12:24,660
So they do provide some accessibility features and assistance.

3609
05:12:25,200 --> 05:12:29,800
So there are some situations where in one of the situations I was speaking with a resident,

3610
05:12:30,420 --> 05:12:35,140
they were behind on their bills, behind on some of their payments because they had paid for

3611
05:12:35,140 --> 05:12:36,440
a modification for their house.

3612
05:12:36,760 --> 05:12:40,560
They were able to see services through Metricress Services to get them caught up.

3613
05:12:40,940 --> 05:12:46,100
So there are some unique qualifiers there that there's a little bit of overlap,

3614
05:12:46,100 --> 05:12:52,860
But it's just making sure they get to the right person right now. So I seem to recall we had a senior resident that had some plumbing

3615
05:12:53,840 --> 05:12:54,360
failure

3616
05:12:55,080 --> 05:12:59,700
In their house and they were just living with it because he couldn't afford to fix it

3617
05:12:59,700 --> 05:13:06,860
And so those are the kinds of scenarios. I think that this program is designed to address and I think it's a wonderful thing

3618
05:13:08,100 --> 05:13:09,500
Very low utilization

3619
05:13:10,420 --> 05:13:13,960
For this first year. So I think that proposed

3620
05:13:16,100 --> 05:13:20,180
You know, the refinement and the proposal makes some sense.

3621
05:13:20,980 --> 05:13:21,740
Thank you.

3622
05:13:22,020 --> 05:13:22,710
Thank you.

3623
05:13:23,480 --> 05:13:23,940
Thank you.

3624
05:13:24,440 --> 05:13:25,860
Anybody over here at Councilor Henry?

3625
05:13:27,040 --> 05:13:31,680
Is this applicable to insurance deductibles?

3626
05:13:32,260 --> 05:13:35,420
Great question, so I outlined that specifically in much of my research.

3627
05:13:35,440 --> 05:13:40,520
I didn't see that insurance deductibles are a unique situation.

3628
05:13:41,240 --> 05:13:46,080
If they apply, they would still need to go ahead and go forward with their insurance.

3629
05:13:47,620 --> 05:13:57,180
I believe, let me double check, so repairs covered by insurance, we outline that, as homeowners must file that insurance claim for the repair of their real property first and submit all documentation there.

3630
05:13:57,460 --> 05:14:00,620
This is on page five of the program updates.

3631
05:14:01,100 --> 05:14:08,540
And then deductibles alone are not eligible for reimbursement through the program, but it's within the city's sole description to approve or deny assistance.

3632
05:14:08,540 --> 05:14:13,580
So if there are situations that are exceeding deductible plus something,

3633
05:14:13,840 --> 05:14:17,440
there are some eligibility, some room for us to make those decisions.

3634
05:14:18,140 --> 05:14:18,400
Excellent.

3635
05:14:19,000 --> 05:14:25,380
And what if it's an emergency situation, you know, roof needs to be replaced, and

3636
05:14:25,380 --> 05:14:30,600
it's, you know, Memorial Day is the one type of thing where going through

3637
05:14:30,600 --> 05:14:37,540
the process could, taking time could create more damage to the home.

3638
05:14:38,340 --> 05:14:42,760
Absolutely, and that was the whole intent in kind of updating this to make it a little

3639
05:14:42,760 --> 05:14:43,200
bit smoother.

3640
05:14:43,840 --> 05:14:48,120
If you know anything about me, one of my favorite things as efficiency, from the place

3641
05:14:48,120 --> 05:14:51,600
that you've got your coffee maker in your home so that you can make it more efficient

3642
05:14:51,600 --> 05:14:56,560
in your life, but this was a situation where I was like, I just don't feel that we're hitting

3643
05:14:56,560 --> 05:14:57,240
that mark.

3644
05:14:57,240 --> 05:14:59,900
And so there's some of those proposed changes so that

3645
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:16,660
We are not requiring them with their roof, with a huge hole over it to provide us all of this documentation on that front side. We can simply do a quick check on decad data to ensure they fall below that median property value. And then we're good to go on many of those items.

3646
05:15:20,280 --> 05:15:21,040
Anything else?

3647
05:15:24,520 --> 05:15:35,640
So is this a reimbursement program? No, so the proposed, the current program is, it's a cost matching. The proposed program would just be the 5,000 up to

3648
05:15:35,640 --> 05:15:40,140
$25,000 so we could pay the contractor in that situation

3649
05:15:40,140 --> 05:15:43,860
up to that $5,000 anything else the resident would be responsible for.

3650
05:15:44,020 --> 05:15:45,240
So it would be a payment up front.

3651
05:15:45,560 --> 05:15:49,820
It wouldn't be a reimbursement where the resident would have to incur the cost and the city would reimburse them.

3652
05:15:49,860 --> 05:15:50,140
Correct.

3653
05:15:50,340 --> 05:15:56,280
Many of those frustrations and in many of those comments with residents just wasn't hitting the mark because they're already paycheck to paycheck.

3654
05:15:57,200 --> 05:16:04,620
Okay, and then how do you, how do you mitigate it against somebody turning around and

3655
05:16:04,620 --> 05:16:06,540
in selling their home, taking advantage of the program

3656
05:16:06,540 --> 05:16:08,820
in an appropriate manner, that would other ways

3657
05:16:08,820 --> 05:16:09,820
have disqualified them.

3658
05:16:10,320 --> 05:16:11,320
How do you deal with that?

3659
05:16:11,720 --> 05:16:12,940
That's a difficult situation.

3660
05:16:13,800 --> 05:16:15,860
If we go back towards that lean situation,

3661
05:16:16,000 --> 05:16:17,720
that was kind of that clause or that barrier there

3662
05:16:17,720 --> 05:16:20,640
to hold them responsible, without that,

3663
05:16:20,780 --> 05:16:23,700
if we're just asking that they certify

3664
05:16:23,700 --> 05:16:25,560
in their application process, that they are not

3665
05:16:25,560 --> 05:16:27,960
seeking to sell their home, and that they maintain,

3666
05:16:27,960 --> 05:16:30,960
they would maintain owner occupancy for the next three years.

3667
05:16:31,480 --> 05:16:31,700
Okay,

3668
05:16:34,670 --> 05:16:36,490
and that's it for me, and obviously,

3669
05:16:36,490 --> 05:16:41,570
I'm in favor of the program and in the way that you presented it, I think we've come

3670
05:16:41,570 --> 05:16:48,830
a long way and we're at first started and learned a few things and I'm pleased to see

3671
05:16:48,830 --> 05:16:49,410
where it's at now.

3672
05:16:49,710 --> 05:16:50,150
Thank you.

3673
05:16:53,860 --> 05:16:54,720
Yes, okay.

3674
05:16:54,940 --> 05:17:02,480
So I guess the one biggest point that stood out to me was fact that there's no longer required

3675
05:17:02,480 --> 05:17:12,240
match, which means that the homeowner could get funds from the city with no equity participation into the program.

3676
05:17:15,320 --> 05:17:22,420
Then I do have a question regarding the city selected review contractor who pays for that.

3677
05:17:22,800 --> 05:17:27,840
That's a great question, so that would come out of this budget and that $75,000 budget that it currently has.

3678
05:17:28,260 --> 05:17:33,360
In the drafted professional services agreement, we've reviewed roughly $100

3679
05:17:33,360 --> 05:17:40,460
per hour for that individual, it's a low rate for the overall time that they would be spending.

3680
05:17:40,700 --> 05:17:45,920
They may only spend one hour on site reviewing those contracts at the beginning, and then maybe one at the end.

3681
05:17:46,420 --> 05:17:50,520
As you know, if you've received a roof repair over the past few months,

3682
05:17:51,040 --> 05:17:54,920
it doesn't typically take weeks and weeks and weeks to replace that.

3683
05:17:55,160 --> 05:18:01,300
They're pretty efficient, so it may not require multiple visits in many of these lower modifications.

3684
05:18:03,680 --> 05:18:28,160
Okay, well, I don't have any major objection to the program, but I would hope that if we're going to do this, that we need to make sure that some of these people might be the same individuals who are needing health services from woven clinic, for example, so we need to make sure that we have proper health services available to them to keep them healthy so they can afford to live in their homes.

3685
05:18:28,160 --> 05:18:38,760
So, Council, I guess you need to indicate a preference of whether you support this program or not.

3686
05:18:39,860 --> 05:18:41,080
I have a question.

3687
05:18:41,740 --> 05:18:42,580
I have a question.

3688
05:18:42,580 --> 05:18:46,320
I have a question regarding your proposed eligibility.

3689
05:18:47,500 --> 05:18:56,120
Could you help me understand the market home value and the homestead exemption verification that that whole,

3690
05:18:56,120 --> 05:18:57,920
What's your thought process behind this?

3691
05:18:58,060 --> 05:19:01,960
Absolutely, so we're looking for a way that requires less documentation,

3692
05:19:02,340 --> 05:19:08,160
providing that documentation, but that really hits at our residents who are income limited.

3693
05:19:08,380 --> 05:19:11,800
I don't want to say income deprived or lower income, but income limited.

3694
05:19:11,940 --> 05:19:16,400
So those paycheck to paycheck or below utilizing that HUD information,

3695
05:19:16,760 --> 05:19:22,640
the current program has maximum income levels for a single person,

3696
05:19:22,640 --> 05:19:25,440
and then one individual, for them to qualify,

3697
05:19:25,740 --> 05:19:28,840
they would need to make below that $54,549.

3698
05:19:30,560 --> 05:19:34,560
That's a close, I mean, we had many individuals

3699
05:19:34,560 --> 05:19:37,740
who were just above that, but their single individual,

3700
05:19:38,780 --> 05:19:42,120
they own their own home, they're making their paychecks,

3701
05:19:42,220 --> 05:19:43,620
they're making their paychecks work,

3702
05:19:43,780 --> 05:19:45,420
but they're just kind of scraping by.

3703
05:19:46,020 --> 05:19:48,020
And so if we shift over to that decad data,

3704
05:19:48,200 --> 05:19:49,720
we're able to verify that their home

3705
05:19:49,720 --> 05:19:52,220
was below that value for the previous year

3706
05:19:52,670 --> 05:19:54,360
and also that they have a homestead exemption.

3707
05:19:54,520 --> 05:19:55,980
So we're kind of checking that box that we know,

3708
05:19:56,220 --> 05:19:57,200
they live there.

3709
05:20:00,050 --> 05:20:26,410
Is there any consideration for senior five, because a lot of them are on home for 30, 40, 50 year, much higher? Are you of their home is 400 or 500,000 now? That's a great question. I know birth, both Perlin, I discussed it. I'll use lower. This one felt like it was the most inclusive, again, median, so anything that's some access for those seniors as well in property value.

3710
05:20:26,410 --> 05:20:26,510
Yeah.

3711
05:20:27,070 --> 05:20:27,430
Okay.

3712
05:20:27,910 --> 05:20:36,030
Actually, we also, we also preclude it from being a second home to residents versus rental

3713
05:20:36,030 --> 05:20:37,570
property, something like that.

3714
05:20:42,930 --> 05:20:49,570
So, in favor of the program, but I'm not so glued, residents, that might be unfixed in

3715
05:20:49,570 --> 05:20:56,190
of home. Indication of favor to the favoring moving forward with the program.

3716
05:20:57,090 --> 05:21:06,470
And I can think of a few people, specifically in that instance, they may have access to

3717
05:21:06,890 --> 05:21:14,950
home equity lines of credit. Some other, I mean, if they're in a home that's valued above

3718
05:21:14,950 --> 05:21:20,690
median value and they're in a situation where they can't afford to make the

3719
05:21:20,690 --> 05:21:21,190
repairs.

3720
05:21:24,370 --> 05:21:26,830
I think unfortunately that's a scenario where they really need to

3721
05:21:26,830 --> 05:21:30,930
consider. I know they've lived in a house maybe for 40 or 50 years but they

3722
05:21:30,930 --> 05:21:36,310
need to consider the cost of living there and that's just a fact of life for

3723
05:21:36,310 --> 05:21:47,510
them. Well, sure, sure, but the, you know, there's, there may be access to the equity in

3724
05:21:47,510 --> 05:21:49,410
their home to address their need.

3725
05:21:52,890 --> 05:21:57,090
I'm just thinking out loud here about that. We've talked,

3726
05:21:57,430 --> 05:22:04,210
this particular program has talked about what, there's an income verification, right? There's

3727
05:22:04,210 --> 05:22:06,030
there's a certain level of income they can't exceed.

3728
05:22:06,350 --> 05:22:07,390
It currently is.

3729
05:22:07,550 --> 05:22:09,510
We get bank statements, we review,

3730
05:22:09,930 --> 05:22:12,910
we review their financial situation.

3731
05:22:13,190 --> 05:22:16,350
In that conversation, I guess,

3732
05:22:16,490 --> 05:22:19,670
when somebody may be on the brink of being declined

3733
05:22:19,670 --> 05:22:22,730
because of one aspect of their financial picture or another,

3734
05:22:24,130 --> 05:22:26,870
that there's probably a little bit of financial counseling

3735
05:22:27,610 --> 05:22:29,610
that might be going on there, right?

3736
05:22:29,870 --> 05:22:30,710
Sorry, you can't.

3737
05:22:31,430 --> 05:22:32,730
You don't call off after the program

3738
05:22:32,730 --> 05:22:37,370
because you've got a ton of cash in the bank or something like that, right?

3739
05:22:38,050 --> 05:22:40,750
While I am not equipped to provide financial counsels.

3740
05:22:40,810 --> 05:22:51,830
I understand, but yes, there are those, if we continued with the current program as is there are those conversations of oh I just don't qualify and make too much or my home is.

3741
05:22:52,070 --> 05:22:55,290
Yeah, those disqualifiers are probably fairly obvious in some of those situations.

3742
05:22:55,310 --> 05:23:01,950
And that's one of the reasons we have not received significant number of applications because just that phone call alone is, oh I'm over that.

3743
05:23:01,950 --> 05:23:11,010
Right. Right. Understood. Okay. I still believe that there's a general consensus

3744
05:23:11,010 --> 05:23:17,550
to move on forward properly. Wonderful. Thank you. Okay. There you go. Thank you.

3745
05:25:00,210 --> 05:25:29,610
So just a quick overview of the landfill for a couple of other new. It's located in the Westfield. If you haven't been up there, it's probably worth a tour. Let us know. We'll get you a trip up there so you can see the site. I personally need to go up there myself. It's operated by Kim out landfill TXLP. It's a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic services. They operate the landfill. They build the cells, they purchase the equipment. The higher the employees, they find a business that come into the landfill. They do the environmental sampling and monitoring and reporting.

3746
05:25:29,610 --> 05:25:33,310
any permit mods, so they basically run the show up there.

3747
05:25:33,830 --> 05:25:40,690
The city's responsibility for the landfill is oversight of the permit or the permitee, so all the permits are held by the city and not by the operator.

3748
05:25:42,490 --> 05:25:45,610
We will handle the closure of post closure and corrective action costs.

3749
05:25:46,590 --> 05:25:52,870
And so one of those is the landfill gas collection system and that's something that the upper have throughout the life of landfill and through the post closure period.

3750
05:25:52,970 --> 05:25:59,590
So we view that as a post closure expense, so we pay for the design and the installation of the landfill gas collection system.

3751
05:26:00,250 --> 05:26:03,250
We currently have a bid out right now for expansion to that system.

3752
05:26:03,530 --> 05:26:07,910
So in the next couple months, we bring you a contract award for

3753
05:26:07,910 --> 05:26:10,090
the next installation of more wells out there.

3754
05:26:14,270 --> 05:26:17,870
One of the things that's required when you operate a landfill is to do financial assurance.

3755
05:26:18,170 --> 05:26:21,790
Let's say tomorrow you decided we don't want to have a landfill with our name on it.

3756
05:26:21,970 --> 05:26:22,930
We're done with the landfill business.

3757
05:26:23,670 --> 05:26:25,230
That's what the financial assurance is for.

3758
05:26:25,710 --> 05:26:29,750
So the state to come in the next day, take over operation, a landfill, shut it down.

3759
05:26:29,750 --> 05:26:32,850
go through the closure, the post closure, and the corrective action.

3760
05:26:33,490 --> 05:26:41,790
You do a lot through third party, but every year, Tammy submits a financial insurance document to the state demonstrating we have the funds to pay for those things.

3761
05:26:47,110 --> 05:26:57,530
One of the things we've used up fund for again, our landfill gas collection systems, and we did use it during the landfill expansion, that 10 year time of my life, interesting times.

3762
05:26:57,530 --> 05:27:04,630
In 2018 we got the expansion approval, the new capacity for the site is 53.2 million cubic

3763
05:27:04,630 --> 05:27:10,590
yards, the old one just for reference is 24.5, so we added quite a bit of cubic yards

3764
05:27:10,590 --> 05:27:11,290
to the permit.

3765
05:27:12,590 --> 05:27:16,790
Now the financial assurance, in 2018 we got the permit was about 30 million in those past

3766
05:27:16,790 --> 05:27:17,710
years at 40 million.

3767
05:27:18,230 --> 05:27:22,410
So financial assurance varies from year to year based on inflation, so the high inflation

3768
05:27:22,410 --> 05:27:25,370
factor we had over the past year really helped elevate that.

3769
05:27:25,370 --> 05:27:32,450
But as the site continues to grow, again, after assurances for to come in and close the site down,

3770
05:27:32,650 --> 05:27:34,250
it's based on how much you've already built to date.

3771
05:27:35,190 --> 05:27:38,310
So as it grows, this number is going to continue to grow on a yearly basis.

3772
05:27:41,880 --> 05:27:43,080
So there's just a brief background.

3773
05:27:43,760 --> 05:27:48,260
Some of the comments we had last time, we talked about a garbage fee and then closure, post closure.

3774
05:27:49,060 --> 05:27:51,920
Talking to collection companies, I said collection, I mean garbage collection.

3775
05:27:53,320 --> 05:27:56,100
Typically, the collection costs itself for your garbage fee for

3776
05:27:56,100 --> 05:28:01,420
other cities because here in Promise Branch you do not pay a garbage fee, you're assessed as zero.

3777
05:28:02,320 --> 05:28:05,400
But for those of us who live in other cities such as Dallas, Carrilton, the Capell,

3778
05:28:05,540 --> 05:28:09,640
those are running us about 70%, 75% that bill is the collection cost.

3779
05:28:10,180 --> 05:28:13,820
About a quarter of that is the actual disposal cost, there's two components to it.

3780
05:28:15,000 --> 05:28:18,480
When I did this presentation for the fee back in September last year,

3781
05:28:19,540 --> 05:28:23,740
the ranges for the neighboring cities and over from 1324 to 2225.

3782
05:28:25,080 --> 05:28:27,440
I'm curious to see where things go up to this next year.

3783
05:28:27,600 --> 05:28:29,060
I suspect there'll be some increases.

3784
05:28:30,760 --> 05:28:31,940
If you're resident of farmer's branch,

3785
05:28:32,360 --> 05:28:34,720
you pay zero for garbage service at this point in time.

3786
05:28:35,340 --> 05:28:36,640
And with our contractor's republic,

3787
05:28:36,940 --> 05:28:39,480
our Camelot Landfill TXLP, we negotiate that we pay zero

3788
05:28:39,480 --> 05:28:40,520
for the tipping fee as well.

3789
05:28:41,920 --> 05:28:44,040
So when we do our RFP's for garbage collection,

3790
05:28:44,040 --> 05:28:45,860
we always have to specify what our tipping fee is

3791
05:28:45,860 --> 05:28:48,000
and that there's no tipping fee cost to that.

3792
05:28:48,240 --> 05:28:50,380
So for our cost for access,

3793
05:28:50,600 --> 05:28:52,260
that is based just for the collection portion.

3794
05:28:54,400 --> 05:29:01,320
So the landfill revenue, we are contract set up with Kim out landfill TXLP is every year we don't take a one pound of trash out there

3795
05:29:01,320 --> 05:29:04,000
We get a million dollars to use each fee. We'll mean it up front

3796
05:29:05,300 --> 05:29:06,040
for every

3797
05:29:08,000 --> 05:29:11,160
Month they do operations we get 16% of the gross revenue

3798
05:29:12,100 --> 05:29:16,120
In addition with our contract they pay us 250,000 per year for host fee support

3799
05:29:17,560 --> 05:29:23,540
So when we went through the landfill expansion we had a settlement agreement with the city of Louisville and one with Carolton and because we're in Louisville

3800
05:29:23,540 --> 05:29:26,060
and they'd had host fees from the other two landfills that went through the expansion.

3801
05:29:26,680 --> 05:29:28,260
We also have to pay a host fee to them.

3802
05:29:28,840 --> 05:29:31,820
So the basis of the city of Louisville gets a $1.20 for every time we take in.

3803
05:29:32,900 --> 05:29:35,960
We also have to pay what's called an equalization fee to the city of Louisville.

3804
05:29:37,520 --> 05:29:40,800
With that, the revenue goes from those things that goes into the general fund.

3805
05:29:41,460 --> 05:29:43,080
Not the closure post, post closure fund.

3806
05:29:44,560 --> 05:29:46,080
Closure post closure fund is separate.

3807
05:29:46,560 --> 05:29:49,340
And as we discussed earlier, on an annual basis, or

3808
05:29:49,340 --> 05:29:53,120
So, any other other year process, we expand the gas collection system out there.

3809
05:29:54,000 --> 05:29:56,860
When I first started, it was kind of more voluntary.

3810
05:29:58,040 --> 05:29:59,920
But now, once again, it's permanent amendment because

3811
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:13,240
This is the size of our landfill. There's a regulatory threshold. Trash has been buried for more than five years. You need to put wells into that. You need to start capturing that gas. So when I come to the landfill gas collection system projects now, it's because they are required. It's not even nice to have.

3812
05:30:17,700 --> 05:30:24,440
Currently, we have about $6.1 million balance for the closure post closure fund.

3813
05:30:28,100 --> 05:30:36,160
So the challenge is, every year we do what's called an annual report. And we project based on the number of tons we took that past year and how good of a job it did in terms of

3814
05:30:36,160 --> 05:30:41,240
to compacting. So, a compaction is, how much trash can I cram into a cubic yard? That's

3815
05:30:41,240 --> 05:30:45,860
what we measure. It's pounds per cubic yard or tons per cubic yard. Pick your unit you

3816
05:30:45,860 --> 05:30:49,800
want to use. And so, we send that to the state. There's a lot more to go into. That's the

3817
05:30:49,800 --> 05:30:54,340
snapshot. So, every year. So, if you think a bunch of mattresses in one year, your compaction

3818
05:30:54,340 --> 05:30:58,520
is going to be bad. Just because mattresses just don't compact. Whereas if you take a bunch

3819
05:30:58,520 --> 05:31:03,280
of soil, soil is already pretty dense. Also, your compaction looks great. So, the type of

3820
05:31:08,560 --> 05:31:16,980
So you can see the variation in terms of the life estimate of a landfill, very quite a bit from year to year, just based on the amount of material take and how good you can compact it.

3821
05:31:18,540 --> 05:31:28,200
So based on our last similar for closure post closure or the financial assurance, we're at $40.4 million is what we need for the financial assurance document for closure post closure.

3822
05:31:28,880 --> 05:31:32,680
And as I said, we have a $6.1 million balance at this point in time.

3823
05:31:33,880 --> 05:31:46,800
So the thought was, we'd implement a solid waste fee, the goal is that it's going to be designated to go into the closure post closure to start working on getting money ready for when the bill comes due for the closure, which would be the first thing we have to pay for.

3824
05:31:47,840 --> 05:31:57,180
We recently changed the service frequency for the west side from once a week to twice a week, so the new fee for everybody or for non seniors is going to be $5 a month.

3825
05:31:57,180 --> 05:32:00,580
seniors pay half of that to be $2.50 per month.

3826
05:32:01,040 --> 05:32:09,880
The plan was to begin assessing that in October 2024 had the fee to utility bill and periodically increase the fee.

3827
05:32:11,260 --> 05:32:17,160
So when I gave this presentation before, the number was not as high, I had to correct it so we could get to that $40 million number.

3828
05:32:17,900 --> 05:32:24,160
So it's already gone just from one year, the pricing increase has gone from about five years to four years.

3829
05:32:24,160 --> 05:32:29,540
I think the last one ended at $25, we're already up to $30, so try and get that $40 million number.

3830
05:32:30,480 --> 05:32:32,760
Over the time period, we believe we have left.

3831
05:32:35,090 --> 05:32:38,210
So again, as soon as you close the landfill, we say you're going to be closed.

3832
05:32:38,970 --> 05:32:41,530
You have to start closure within a set number of days by regulations.

3833
05:32:41,970 --> 05:32:43,570
This is your largest expense as a closure.

3834
05:32:45,410 --> 05:32:48,030
So I give you the kind of dates there, those are two general dates.

3835
05:32:48,290 --> 05:32:49,990
There are some other things you have to do in addition to that.

3836
05:32:49,990 --> 05:32:55,750
it. Any up 30 years of monitoring, you look for erosion, you've got a quarterly basis sample

3837
05:32:55,750 --> 05:33:01,250
for gas and gas probes and monitor the groundwater, monitor your stormwater. But just general

3838
05:33:01,250 --> 05:33:04,930
side up, look at the fences and we've tried to break in, so we've tried to repair the fence

3839
05:33:04,930 --> 05:33:11,270
and not try to repair the fence. And then corrective action. You have corrective action because the

3840
05:33:11,270 --> 05:33:16,210
oldest portion of landfill is a clay liner, clay liner only. That met regulations at the time.

3841
05:33:16,930 --> 05:33:21,050
Now, your liner forgot there is clay compacted, but there's also flexible membrane liners

3842
05:33:21,050 --> 05:33:21,870
welded together.

3843
05:33:22,550 --> 05:33:26,850
So, you've got two layers of protection, but with that clay liner, as you see it like

3844
05:33:26,850 --> 05:33:31,010
last summer, and this summer, the way we're going, if you look at your backyard, you start

3845
05:33:31,010 --> 05:33:33,090
seeing these cracks in your yard if you don't water it often enough.

3846
05:33:33,910 --> 05:33:35,090
Same thing happens in the landfill.

3847
05:33:35,990 --> 05:33:39,470
Clay liner over time, if it stays dry, a part that will crack, it's on that gas escapes

3848
05:33:39,470 --> 05:33:42,390
and gets into the ground water, and that's what the corrective action is for.

3849
05:33:43,130 --> 05:33:53,730
So it's not that we did anything wrong, it's just when you use a soil liner, high in clay, dry seasons, the cracks, pores are created until it rains again, or saturates the ground.

3850
05:33:54,990 --> 05:33:58,170
So that's what the corrective action for our landfill is related to.

3851
05:34:01,710 --> 05:34:03,110
Am I doing the next one?

3852
05:34:08,950 --> 05:34:11,570
I'm going to look for a little help from our friend on this particular slide.

3853
05:34:23,370 --> 05:34:28,890
So we included this slide as we were having those discussions that our budget retreat.

3854
05:34:30,030 --> 05:34:36,390
Where we're showing what a penny on average home value we showed different home values

3855
05:34:36,390 --> 05:34:42,930
of 380,000 which is from decad the $500,000 value and $800,000 value.

3856
05:34:42,930 --> 05:34:53,290
So I think it was asked on what would the trash fee correlate to as far as a property tax savings.

3857
05:34:53,290 --> 05:34:59,970
So, as you can see, a $5 fee, so for 12 months, you've got to

3858
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:29,980
$60 per year fee. So, if you choose a $500,000 home, and again, that's going to differ on the home values. That's about a penny and a half. For seniors, where it's $250 a month, for the trash fee, that would equal our home value of $500,000 one penny on the senior. So, that's what we kind of wanted to show you in correlation to our whole discussion on the trash.

3859
05:35:30,760 --> 05:35:32,080
and our tax rate.

3860
05:35:40,230 --> 05:35:42,850
So at this point in time, I'm doing the two of us,

3861
05:35:42,910 --> 05:35:44,510
which I'd answer your questions you may have for us,

3862
05:35:44,850 --> 05:35:46,630
or let's tell our conversation.

3863
05:35:47,570 --> 05:35:49,150
Council and the questions, Council and the room.

3864
05:35:51,810 --> 05:35:52,970
Mayor, Council and the read.

3865
05:35:54,690 --> 05:35:56,590
Yeah, we're talking about single family homes.

3866
05:35:56,790 --> 05:36:03,510
How does multi-families and commercial properties

3867
05:36:03,510 --> 05:36:04,510
like that come into play?

3868
05:36:04,850 --> 05:36:05,230
Good question.

3869
05:36:05,230 --> 05:36:08,210
So in Farmer's branch, we have an open market system.

3870
05:36:08,550 --> 05:36:12,150
So if you own a business, you get to negotiate with whoever vendor you want,

3871
05:36:12,250 --> 05:36:17,030
whatever service level you want, service frequency, that is up to you to make that determination.

3872
05:36:17,790 --> 05:36:24,110
The city by ordinance gets, I think it's 10%, I think it's 10 other grocery revenue for

3873
05:36:24,110 --> 05:36:25,430
anything collected in Farmer's branch.

3874
05:36:26,170 --> 05:36:29,650
But it's an open market system, we are not involved with it.

3875
05:36:30,390 --> 05:36:33,870
other than, unless you're making a mess and code enforcement would come out or I'd go out and

3876
05:36:33,870 --> 05:36:37,730
try to get it cleaned up, if you can't do that, then I'm giving you the citation.

3877
05:36:38,110 --> 05:36:40,650
But our only role is just to be enforcement from the litter standpoint.

3878
05:36:41,670 --> 05:36:45,130
Okay, so those proceeds are that revenue.

3879
05:36:45,790 --> 05:36:47,770
Does that go into the general fund or does it go?

3880
05:36:48,530 --> 05:36:49,010
Yes, sir.

3881
05:36:52,500 --> 05:37:00,000
So currently all of our refuse fees form Republic and is it waste management?

3882
05:37:00,000 --> 05:37:14,800
They go into our general fund revenues, and that goes to support, then we have our solid waste division also in the general fund, which pays for the salaries, for the assets, for all of our supplies related to that.

3883
05:37:15,020 --> 05:37:18,680
But none of that goes towards closure, post closure.

3884
05:37:19,000 --> 05:37:27,700
So then we have been in the past transferring from general fund to the landfill closure, post closure restricted fund.

3885
05:37:27,700 --> 05:37:32,580
And that's where you've got the balance now close to 6.1 million.

3886
05:37:33,000 --> 05:37:33,480
Okay.

3887
05:37:33,840 --> 05:37:42,600
Now is there a formalized process for that, like a specific percentage dollar amount, anything like that?

3888
05:37:43,540 --> 05:37:44,040
No.

3889
05:37:44,400 --> 05:37:55,560
And in fact, we've, in the past, we've transferred a million, this year we've budgeted 2 million to transfer.

3890
05:37:55,560 --> 05:37:59,500
So it's been a function of the budgeting process.

3891
05:37:59,820 --> 05:38:02,240
So basically availability of the funds.

3892
05:38:04,240 --> 05:38:04,640
Okay.

3893
05:38:06,980 --> 05:38:07,600
Goswaneel.

3894
05:38:09,930 --> 05:38:10,430
Yep.

3895
05:38:11,270 --> 05:38:12,030
How many?

3896
05:38:15,300 --> 05:38:20,460
So roughly how much do we take in revenue from them,

3897
05:38:21,250 --> 05:38:24,660
roughly every year, for the past seven to ten years, roughly?

3898
05:38:25,420 --> 05:38:28,580
Would you say that goes for seven to ten years?

3899
05:38:28,780 --> 05:38:30,880
I can tell you how much we have budgeted for.

3900
05:38:32,000 --> 05:38:38,960
Let's say we have about 6.8 million I believe yeah, he said we have 6.81 million in there now

3901
05:38:38,960 --> 05:38:44,940
I'm just trying to understand how much we're taken in every year over the past so many years. So that's going to vary

3902
05:38:44,940 --> 05:38:47,660
A few years ago. We built a new scale house

3903
05:38:47,660 --> 05:38:49,160
So if you've never been up to our landfill

3904
05:38:49,740 --> 05:38:55,360
You need to go up there when you before we hear the building down need to see what the old scale house look like

3905
05:38:55,360 --> 05:38:57,500
It is one scale. We had maybe

3906
05:38:58,220 --> 05:39:01,380
50 to 70 yards before we get on the street

3907
05:39:02,200 --> 05:39:04,580
So that one scale is a huge bottleneck operation.

3908
05:39:05,420 --> 05:39:09,600
We could really only handle about 1,800, I realize this number, I might not mean anything to y'all.

3909
05:39:10,100 --> 05:39:17,100
But 1,800 tons per day is about all we could handle because that bottleneck at the skill house was a deterrent from our waste coming in.

3910
05:39:18,220 --> 05:39:25,420
So once we got the new skill house in place and the DFW landfill, which would have been a competitor of ours directly across the river from us, started shutting down.

3911
05:39:25,980 --> 05:39:28,780
We started to see an influx of increased tonnage coming in.

3912
05:39:29,160 --> 05:39:33,400
So it's going to be a ramp up in terms of how much we brought in.

3913
05:39:34,780 --> 05:39:37,800
We can certainly get you the numbers, go back and look at what came in.

3914
05:39:37,800 --> 05:39:41,160
I saw them on the top of my head where we started about seven years ago to where we are today.

3915
05:39:41,460 --> 05:39:43,260
Yeah, and I understand there's expenditures too.

3916
05:39:43,620 --> 05:39:51,660
I'm just trying to get a feel for what we've been taking in and follow that up with where the expenditure is going out.

3917
05:39:52,780 --> 05:39:56,800
The big expenditures for us, once we got past the expansion, are the gas collection system.

3918
05:39:57,080 --> 05:39:59,960
Like the bid we got out right now. I'm expecting that to come into 900,000

3919
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:10,980
$1,000 or so. So it's close to $1,000 every time we do a gas collection system expansion. Just because how tall it is, how deep we have to go, the size of the headers, we have to install now to pull the gas.

3920
05:40:13,380 --> 05:40:31,680
Do we have to file any forms or paperwork with the state or any other agency regarding our fund balance for closure? The financial assurance document I referred to earlier that she submits every year, has to show how you get those funds. So we have to demonstrate that financial assurance to the state.

3921
05:40:34,760 --> 05:40:36,720
How many years have we been filing that?

3922
05:40:36,860 --> 05:40:38,600
You have to do that every year by law.

3923
05:40:43,000 --> 05:40:46,120
And so if I want to get copies of that, is that available online somewhere?

3924
05:40:46,440 --> 05:40:46,580
Yes.

3925
05:40:47,080 --> 05:40:47,220
Okay.

3926
05:40:47,720 --> 05:40:49,820
Well, we could provide it.

3927
05:40:50,180 --> 05:40:50,300
Yes.

3928
05:40:51,140 --> 05:40:52,760
I'd like to review that.

3929
05:40:53,780 --> 05:40:55,700
We can definitely get that for you.

3930
05:40:55,840 --> 05:40:56,980
How many years back would you like?

3931
05:40:59,210 --> 05:41:04,210
At least maybe five or six years, along with that sort of income as well, if you don't mind.

3932
05:41:04,210 --> 05:41:04,570
And

3933
05:41:13,530 --> 05:41:18,630
is there some reason this goes directly to the general fund, is it?

3934
05:41:19,870 --> 05:41:25,410
Could we not just put this to landfill fund overall and just all funds, the

3935
05:41:25,410 --> 05:41:29,990
monies that we need to spend in and out for the, I mean, it sound like a dumb

3936
05:41:29,990 --> 05:41:34,070
question. I even noticed people laughing, but I'm just trying to make this much

3937
05:41:34,070 --> 05:41:39,870
simpler process to try to understand, then, you know, general fund in here, transfer

3938
05:41:39,870 --> 05:41:46,010
in, transfer out, close your fund, I mean just, your head starts to spin after a while.

3939
05:41:46,430 --> 05:41:53,390
So it did start out in the general fund, so you can see different entities will put

3940
05:41:53,390 --> 05:41:58,330
them into a proprietary fund or an enterprise fund like a water and sewer.

3941
05:41:59,230 --> 05:42:05,050
So the way that it has been structured in the past and the way that we continue to do it

3942
05:42:05,050 --> 05:42:12,410
As the revenues come in to the general fund, expenses related to solid waste come out of the general fund.

3943
05:42:13,030 --> 05:42:21,710
And then we put money towards the landfill restricted fund, so two funds from the general fund.

3944
05:42:22,070 --> 05:42:25,410
So excess goes over to the landfill closure plus closure.

3945
05:42:25,530 --> 05:42:29,310
So the money that comes in from the operation over landfill goes into the general fund.

3946
05:42:29,470 --> 05:42:34,030
Are those funds restricted in any way or limited for the use strictly for

3947
05:42:34,030 --> 05:42:35,970
land fill operations or utility?

3948
05:42:36,330 --> 05:42:38,970
So it goes towards pain for our solid waste.

3949
05:42:39,250 --> 05:42:45,730
We have our bulk collection, we have the trucks, the green grabber.

3950
05:42:46,610 --> 05:42:49,850
The CWD contract, but is there a true restriction?

3951
05:42:50,910 --> 05:42:51,690
It's in the general fund.

3952
05:42:52,810 --> 05:42:54,870
It's like a lot of things that the land fill typically have an enterprise fund,

3953
05:42:54,870 --> 05:42:57,790
or she describes all that money you'd take in from solid waste collection,

3954
05:42:58,290 --> 05:43:00,590
and from the tipping fee to land fill, we go into that fund.

3955
05:43:00,890 --> 05:43:02,310
So the answer is no, it's not restricted.

3956
05:43:02,310 --> 05:43:05,250
that it's just in the general fund, although you primarily use it for that.

3957
05:43:05,490 --> 05:43:11,330
There's no hard restriction that it could use it for something else if so approved.

3958
05:43:11,490 --> 05:43:13,350
Okay, I'm good, thanks.

3959
05:43:20,320 --> 05:43:26,220
So the landfill revenue that goes into the general fund first

3960
05:43:27,820 --> 05:43:32,300
really simply offers us some flexibility to handle expenses

3961
05:43:32,300 --> 05:43:43,040
is for the landfill that might be weren't planned, or larger than we thought, or other expenses that we want to handle from the general fund.

3962
05:43:43,640 --> 05:43:52,560
It also, I'm assuming going into the general fund, adds to that 90 day balance, right?

3963
05:43:52,660 --> 05:43:59,880
It helps us keep that balance up, otherwise if we dedicate that money directly to closure, post closure.

3964
05:44:00,680 --> 05:44:04,240
Now we need to make that up in order to maintain our 90 day.

3965
05:44:04,940 --> 05:44:11,080
So it's a little difficult to untangle it once it's already been set up and going into the general fund.

3966
05:44:11,540 --> 05:44:18,320
So if we had started out at the very beginning as a separate enterprise fund, this would be a little bit maybe easier.

3967
05:44:18,600 --> 05:44:23,260
Sure, yeah, money from the landfill comes in, goes to the landfill bucket.

3968
05:44:23,880 --> 05:44:24,060
Correct.

3969
05:44:24,060 --> 05:44:28,080
Just like that, yeah, okay, and

3970
05:44:31,060 --> 05:44:34,260
it's difficult to change that to that now.

3971
05:44:35,300 --> 05:44:36,720
A little bit difficult, yes.

3972
05:44:37,260 --> 05:44:37,520
Okay.

3973
05:44:39,180 --> 05:44:41,520
I'm going to ask you to help me understand why.

3974
05:44:43,540 --> 05:44:44,820
Make it real simple.

3975
05:44:45,320 --> 05:44:46,060
It's late.

3976
05:44:46,480 --> 05:44:47,600
There's a lot here.

3977
05:44:48,300 --> 05:44:49,620
So, simple is good.

3978
05:44:50,600 --> 05:44:54,260
So, if you recall with our water and our sewer funds,

3979
05:44:54,260 --> 05:44:59,940
those are specifically restricted and we the general

3980
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:31,360
Local fund is that general donor. So it can loan to other funds, it can do other things where restricted with our enterprise funds and just sticking to those functions. So it can be unwound but it will take a lot of effort and work to do and it would require some additional cost with our audit and our account.

3981
05:45:31,360 --> 05:45:40,500
system. So much easier, much more efficient, more cost effective to simply say hey this year we're

3982
05:45:40,500 --> 05:45:46,180
going to take 2 million from our general fund and put it over here. And we had structured where

3983
05:45:46,180 --> 05:45:54,060
that trash fee would go directly into the landfill closure, which is restricted, yes. Okay.

3984
05:46:08,310 --> 05:46:09,270
So I did

3985
05:46:09,270 --> 05:46:16,710
received, I'll call it several, more than a few, but I wouldn't call it a lot. Several

3986
05:46:16,710 --> 05:46:30,550
emails from residents. And the resounding theme was a small fee from each resident makes

3987
05:46:30,550 --> 05:46:36,390
the most sense to get us to where we need to be. It's real simple. I know that there's

3988
05:46:36,390 --> 05:46:45,730
There's a concept of, well, why don't we just leave it in the tax rate, pull it from

3989
05:46:45,730 --> 05:46:49,990
general fund and not have a fee and it makes it more transparent or maybe there are other

3990
05:46:49,990 --> 05:46:51,570
reasons that I'm not recalling.

3991
05:46:53,070 --> 05:47:03,610
But it makes sense to me that if there's a $5 trash fee that is set up to go directly to

3992
05:47:03,610 --> 05:47:13,950
the landfill closure, post-closure fund, we're leveraging all the residents in a very

3993
05:47:13,950 --> 05:47:26,130
small fee that then incrementally increases over 24 years, to only $30. I know those numbers

3994
05:47:26,130 --> 05:47:35,890
can change over time, inflation costs, etc. But the residents, I'll just quote a few other

3995
05:47:35,890 --> 05:47:41,670
ones that it's our civic duty to do it this way. It's more transparent. It's very clear

3996
05:47:41,670 --> 05:47:45,170
in the water bill, five bucks trash fee. Got it.

3997
05:47:47,430 --> 05:47:51,850
It's physically responsible as another quote.

3998
05:47:51,850 --> 05:48:06,630
So, I mean, I like the idea of maintaining that trash fee the way that we agreed last year to do it, and to keep the schedule in place and to devote that to the closure post-closure fund.

3999
05:48:08,980 --> 05:48:09,860
That's all we're thinking.

4000
05:48:10,080 --> 05:48:10,300
Thank you.

4001
05:48:10,940 --> 05:48:13,360
Okay, so I want to try to put this in real simple terms.

4002
05:48:13,560 --> 05:48:16,320
And I talk loud because I'm having a hard time hearing you all.

4003
05:48:17,260 --> 05:48:19,360
So, please speak a little bit louder.

4004
05:48:21,020 --> 05:48:27,320
Basically, we need $40 million, $40.4 million, that's what you said on the report today.

4005
05:48:27,680 --> 05:48:31,340
We have $6.1, which leaves a difference of $34.3 million.

4006
05:48:32,150 --> 05:48:40,180
Simple math if you divide the $34 million by 22 years, assuming a 22-year-older life, that's

4007
05:48:40,180 --> 05:48:43,820
$1.56 million a year that needs to go into the fund.

4008
05:48:44,880 --> 05:48:47,060
closure fund. Okay.

4009
05:48:50,780 --> 05:48:56,720
Yes, funds collected from the landfill go into the general fund.

4010
05:48:56,940 --> 05:49:06,520
The city has been budgeting to put money into the closure side of things. And correct

4011
05:49:06,520 --> 05:49:15,680
Let me, if I'm wrong, what is accrued in the closure account are restricted funds.

4012
05:49:16,840 --> 05:49:17,620
That's correct.

4013
05:49:18,220 --> 05:49:18,460
Okay.

4014
05:49:19,000 --> 05:49:26,140
So I just want everybody to know that the money that we have set aside that's in the closure

4015
05:49:26,140 --> 05:49:29,820
account is restricted to use of the landfill.

4016
05:49:30,020 --> 05:49:32,600
We can't take that and go build a road or anything else.

4017
05:49:32,600 --> 05:49:34,600
So, that's real important.

4018
05:49:37,050 --> 05:49:43,620
This fee that we're talking about implementing that was approved once, and we're still having

4019
05:49:43,620 --> 05:49:54,240
discussion about it, is accelerating the collection of revenue to be added to the landfill closure

4020
05:49:54,240 --> 05:49:59,220
in order to assure that we are reaching that $40 million mark.

4021
05:50:00,110 --> 05:50:10,710
Okay. And in addition, it also, I think if you follow a logic, it conditions or prepares

4022
05:50:10,710 --> 05:50:19,190
our residents for the inevitable time when they are going to have to pay the full cost

4023
05:50:19,190 --> 05:50:30,650
of collection service, okay, because when the landfill closes, then our contractor,

4024
05:50:30,830 --> 05:50:38,830
whoever the city hires at that time, will be hauling our trash to some other site.

4025
05:50:39,110 --> 05:50:45,070
Perhaps in South Dallas could be Irving, who knows, but and there will be a cost for that.

4026
05:50:45,070 --> 05:50:49,210
And that is what we're having to look at paying for.

4027
05:50:49,490 --> 05:50:51,990
The $40 million isn't going to pay for that.

4028
05:50:52,390 --> 05:50:58,810
That's taking care of the landfill for the next 30 years after closing that we have to monitor it.

4029
05:50:59,310 --> 05:51:11,020
It's we're building up and conditioning our residents to the real fact that they are going to have to be paying for

4030
05:51:11,020 --> 05:51:18,540
residential trash service. And hopefully that will include collection of brush also.

4031
05:51:19,880 --> 05:51:25,160
So, but again, you know, all of these things, all of those costs are subject to a

4032
05:51:25,160 --> 05:51:28,880
little bit of change, and that's going to be a whole other set of negotiation with

4033
05:51:30,880 --> 05:51:38,500
providers at that time. So I'm just curious, and I'd like to just take a

4034
05:51:38,500 --> 05:51:45,320
I'm going to draw a poll at this moment to know whether you are still on board with the implementation of this fee.

4035
05:51:46,140 --> 05:51:47,940
And I'm looking to my left,

4036
05:51:50,220 --> 05:51:50,600
I'll repeat.

4037
05:51:51,340 --> 05:51:58,840
I'm just curious to know whether you all are still on board with the implementation of this fee.

4038
05:52:01,180 --> 05:52:04,900
And I'm taking my own straw poll right now, that's what I said.

4039
05:52:04,900 --> 05:52:06,840
That girl, my mind has not changed.

4040
05:52:08,020 --> 05:52:08,420
I didn't.

4041
05:52:08,500 --> 05:52:08,860
I couldn't hear.

4042
05:52:10,380 --> 05:52:11,160
I'm good.

4043
05:52:11,400 --> 05:52:13,340
My mind has not changed to thank you.

4044
05:52:13,460 --> 05:52:14,520
Which is what?

4045
05:52:14,800 --> 05:52:15,240
Yes or no?

4046
05:52:16,640 --> 05:52:17,640
What I've said before.

4047
05:52:18,280 --> 05:52:18,860
Please repeat.

4048
05:52:19,460 --> 05:52:19,900
Yes.

4049
05:52:20,420 --> 05:52:20,800
Okay.

4050
05:52:21,400 --> 05:52:22,280
Just want to make sure.

4051
05:52:23,640 --> 05:52:24,600
Councillor Baird.

4052
05:52:25,800 --> 05:52:29,260
It still seems weird to me with the tax.

4053
05:52:31,100 --> 05:52:33,340
I'm not talking about the tax rate.

4054
05:52:33,340 --> 05:52:35,140
I'm just talking about this.

4055
05:52:37,080 --> 05:52:43,840
So are we still looking to move forward with this?

4056
05:52:47,740 --> 05:52:50,340
Are you subscribing to the logic of it?

4057
05:52:51,680 --> 05:52:54,300
I understand we have to get $40 million.

4058
05:52:55,360 --> 05:53:02,340
Can I ask a quick question on the slide that's up to get to that $40 million?

4059
05:53:02,420 --> 05:53:03,280
That's that column.

4060
05:53:03,280 --> 05:53:08,140
But that column is not adding any interest that will be bearing over those years.

4061
05:53:08,760 --> 05:53:10,420
We'll be earning over those years.

4062
05:53:11,280 --> 05:53:16,580
Right, but that's also the 40 million calculation as of today.

4063
05:53:17,460 --> 05:53:20,800
So the 40 million is not with inflating.

4064
05:53:21,040 --> 05:53:24,860
It has inflation that's calculated into that.

4065
05:53:25,500 --> 05:53:27,520
But there could be changes.

4066
05:53:28,060 --> 05:53:28,240
Sure.

4067
05:53:30,140 --> 05:53:36,080
So each year, the state gives you an inflationary factor you have to use to make this new calculation.

4068
05:53:36,760 --> 05:53:39,080
So you look at how many more acres did you build that year?

4069
05:53:39,980 --> 05:53:41,100
What are the costs of that?

4070
05:53:41,600 --> 05:53:45,840
We have models of very large spread sheets that have the closure, post closure, and the corrective action.

4071
05:53:46,560 --> 05:53:51,240
But then you apply that new inflationary factor to whatever your new numbers are for that next upcoming year.

4072
05:53:52,180 --> 05:53:56,000
This does not factor in, this is just the numbers we have for financial assurance.

4073
05:53:56,000 --> 05:53:58,500
Along the way, we have these gas collection system costs.

4074
05:53:59,560 --> 05:54:03,420
So at 6.1 is critical to help keeping those projects going along as well.

4075
05:54:04,080 --> 05:54:08,120
So there'll be some expenditures coming out of that closure post closure all along the way.

4076
05:54:08,380 --> 05:54:09,440
Pay for gas collection.

4077
05:54:10,360 --> 05:54:11,560
Okay, thank you.

4078
05:54:11,940 --> 05:54:17,620
I guess my answer is, for the next five years, I'd rather find half a million dollars in the cost and

4079
05:54:17,620 --> 05:54:21,780
expense savings than fee the residents.

4080
05:54:25,300 --> 05:54:26,060
I

4081
05:54:28,260 --> 05:54:53,140
had originally thought of all the incorporating it into the property tax, but it seems pretty convoluted, especially when it goes into the general fund, I think it's a simpler process to go with the $5 fee, increasing it per this schedule.

4082
05:54:53,140 --> 05:54:59,460
I think it's much more understandable, much more explainable, or more easily explainable.

4083
05:55:04,180 --> 05:55:31,160
And then we don't have to worry about the tax aspect of it, so that's where I stand. Thank you very good. Again, I'm taking my own straw poll here, so I'm just wanting now. Mr. Mayor, I support the $5 fee schedule, the way this pro form of schedule is laid out. I think the aspect that you mentioned, the behavioral aspect in preparing residents.

4084
05:55:31,160 --> 05:55:34,760
over a long term for the eventual fact they're going to have to pay for trash.

4085
05:55:35,600 --> 05:55:41,040
So if they're not going to pay $5 a day, then in five years they're going to pay $10.

4086
05:55:41,840 --> 05:55:43,840
Or in 20 years they're going to pay $20.

4087
05:55:44,320 --> 05:55:48,020
At some point they're going to have to pay a trash fee.

4088
05:55:49,020 --> 05:55:52,200
This takes the $5 and puts it into a restricted fund.

4089
05:55:53,200 --> 05:56:01,600
Any other way, and we leave it to the council, future councils, to use their discretion

4090
05:56:01,600 --> 05:56:03,800
with the general fund, okay?

4091
05:56:05,120 --> 05:56:06,400
We're just kicking the can down the road.

4092
05:56:07,220 --> 05:56:22,180
So I think implementing the $5 fee and dedicating that to the post-cozure fund is a prudent thing

4093
05:56:22,180 --> 05:56:23,820
I'm just using the money for other means.

4094
05:56:25,000 --> 05:56:25,980
Thank you.

4095
05:56:26,380 --> 05:56:27,080
Councillor Neill.

4096
05:56:30,370 --> 05:56:32,770
I recognize we need to get the $40 million somehow.

4097
05:56:33,550 --> 05:56:35,990
I'm just not quite clear on how we're going to get there.

4098
05:56:36,270 --> 05:56:42,570
I sent a rather extensive detailed email to Ben earlier today about this issue and he responded

4099
05:56:42,570 --> 05:56:43,750
as quickly as he could.

4100
05:56:43,850 --> 05:56:45,630
I've not had a chance to digest that.

4101
05:56:46,130 --> 05:56:56,090
My questions tonight also sort of require some further information that Tammy's going to

4102
05:56:56,090 --> 05:57:04,760
We get back to me on and I just like to have that information clarified for me.

4103
05:57:05,120 --> 05:57:09,260
Well, again, I'll try to make this real simple.

4104
05:57:11,920 --> 05:57:18,780
The $5 fee generates $498,000, we need to just simple math.

4105
05:57:19,020 --> 05:57:26,320
Simple math dictates that we need to be putting $1.56 million into the closure fund every year.

4106
05:57:26,320 --> 05:57:26,960
Now,

4107
05:57:29,950 --> 05:57:36,830
that will change a little bit, because as the revenue from the garbage fee increases,

4108
05:57:37,230 --> 05:57:47,090
it will be a little bit different number, but that's where we are dependent upon this council and

4109
05:57:47,090 --> 05:57:55,790
future councils to be contributing probably somewhere around a million dollars from the general fund

4110
05:57:55,790 --> 05:58:04,390
towards this liability, and, you know, I'll quote a phrase that was used earlier

4111
05:58:07,660 --> 05:58:21,540
when somebody said they used the financial model to figure future assurances for their clients.

4112
05:58:21,940 --> 05:58:25,640
That's being responsible, and I think that's what we need to do.

4113
05:58:25,640 --> 05:58:49,080
We need to, this is a basic financial model here that's going to get us to where we need to be and help position us for managing not only the closure of the landfill, but also prepare our residents for the inevitable fact.

4114
05:58:50,380 --> 05:58:59,370
inevitable fact that they will be paying for trash service in full come today that that

4115
05:58:59,370 --> 05:59:06,750
landfill closes. So I don't see how you argue your way around it. I don't see how you

4116
05:59:06,750 --> 05:59:18,090
delay your way around it. This is something that we have to do as financial stewards or custodians

4117
05:59:18,090 --> 05:59:18,610
of the city.

4118
05:59:22,450 --> 05:59:25,550
And I will get back with you on those revenues and expenditures.

4119
05:59:26,070 --> 05:59:34,750
I'm pretty sure that our landfill revenue, I believe we've got budgeted 7.3, our expenditures

4120
05:59:34,750 --> 05:59:38,790
are right there along with it as far as the Solid Waste Division.

4121
05:59:40,530 --> 05:59:47,990
We have a lot of expenditures related to all the facilities, the salaries and the fixed assets

4122
05:59:47,990 --> 05:59:50,670
that go with our brush and our reties.

4123
05:59:51,390 --> 05:59:57,530
You and I know in the past, Shane, you made annual presentations to the Council when I was on Council

4124
05:59:57,530 --> 05:59:59,730
to let us know the status.

4125
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:26,760
There were a lot of funds and for example, when we had to add the Flair system and all that, there was expense involved, there was expense involved when we had to, when we had the permit, the expansion permit. And so you gave very thorough and adequate reports to the council as to what our financial condition was every year regarding that.

4126
06:00:26,760 --> 06:00:33,400
So, you know, this isn't something that we're just taking action today and then we're going to lose sight of.

4127
06:00:33,700 --> 06:00:41,600
I expect to hear every year what we're looking at because this is a huge number.

4128
06:00:42,700 --> 06:00:43,380
It's huge.

4129
06:00:45,160 --> 06:00:45,780
Yes, sir.

4130
06:00:46,440 --> 06:00:50,840
I have one more question, came in on, I had this discussion last week and I just recalled it.

4131
06:00:50,840 --> 06:01:00,840
But if we rely on general fund, right, that's tax revenue, basic goods tax revenue

4132
06:01:00,840 --> 06:01:07,500
that we're going to rely on, to then each year make some discretionary movement of money

4133
06:01:07,500 --> 06:01:13,980
from general fund to close repose closure without, if we don't do this pro form of fee schedule, right?

4134
06:01:13,980 --> 06:01:13,980
Right?

4135
06:01:17,120 --> 06:01:29,240
Our ability to continue to keep a tax rate or raise a tax rate in future years is beginning to dwindle. Am I right?

4136
06:01:30,940 --> 06:01:34,400
We're limited in how much we can increase our tax revenue.

4137
06:01:34,900 --> 06:01:40,020
Correct. We have the Senate Bill 2 cap for 3.5% growth.

4138
06:01:40,020 --> 06:01:49,960
Okay, so if we rely on general fund, which are tax dollars, which are limited because of SB 2,

4139
06:01:50,940 --> 06:01:59,560
and we're not properly funding this fund, we could find ourselves in a situation where we can't

4140
06:02:00,260 --> 06:02:06,200
recoup the, we can't make that move to this closure post-closure fund.

4141
06:02:06,200 --> 06:02:16,720
If your revenues are equaling your expenses every year with the landfill, you don't have much access to support your landfill closure post closure.

4142
06:02:16,900 --> 06:02:35,220
Right. Okay. Thank you. You said it much better than I was trying to say it, but that's what I'm concerned about is with the decreasing ability to pull this from tax revenue and our ability to increase tax revenue for expenses like this.

4143
06:02:35,220 --> 06:02:42,090
This makes a whole lot of sense to tack it to the tractor, to the water bill, and

4144
06:02:42,090 --> 06:02:43,670
send it straight to a post-cozure fund.

4145
06:02:45,150 --> 06:02:45,950
Thank you.

4146
06:02:46,810 --> 06:02:47,290
All right.

4147
06:02:47,550 --> 06:02:48,430
So I believe-

4148
06:02:48,430 --> 06:02:49,170
One point if I may?

4149
06:02:49,270 --> 06:02:49,590
Yes, sir.

4150
06:02:51,230 --> 06:02:58,810
And the other thing to consider, too, is if we're relying totally on revenue, exceeding expense,

4151
06:02:59,450 --> 06:03:06,090
just take a look at what happened on Memorial Day, and all the additional expenses unplanned

4152
06:03:06,090 --> 06:03:16,150
expenses we had picking up rush and all that disposal, running the trucks, the crews, all that, that's not baked into the system.

4153
06:03:16,710 --> 06:03:26,430
So that's increasing expenses and taking, you know, cutting that delta down even more if there is one.

4154
06:03:26,830 --> 06:03:29,050
Who knows whether that's going to happen again.

4155
06:03:29,050 --> 06:03:35,430
And so relying upon that to make up for the shortfall just doesn't make sense,

4156
06:03:38,480 --> 06:03:39,060
isn't it?

4157
06:03:41,700 --> 06:03:42,320
Yes, sir.

4158
06:03:42,900 --> 06:03:46,040
So Mayor and Council, basically what I'll do with this case is we build the budget for

4159
06:03:46,040 --> 06:03:48,360
you for my understanding is we'll put the fee in.

4160
06:03:48,700 --> 06:03:52,880
We'll also be very cognizant that even though there's a tax rate reduction, we want to make

4161
06:03:52,880 --> 06:03:57,260
sure we're clarified how that's interacting with the fee increase and show a true representation

4162
06:03:57,260 --> 06:04:00,140
to the residents on what that delta is.

4163
06:04:00,140 --> 06:04:01,920
So it's not just, hey, there's a tax rate decrease.

4164
06:04:02,220 --> 06:04:04,700
We're going to incorporate the D burden into that calculation,

4165
06:04:05,060 --> 06:04:07,380
show that as well to make sure we meet the transparency

4166
06:04:07,380 --> 06:04:09,380
all of asking about what that relationship.

4167
06:04:09,660 --> 06:04:11,480
So it's not just replaced with one.

4168
06:04:11,680 --> 06:04:12,720
So we'll work on that as well.

4169
06:04:12,960 --> 06:04:14,880
So the proposed budget that you all will receive

4170
06:04:14,880 --> 06:04:18,360
in about two weeks will have that information in there.

4171
06:04:18,800 --> 06:04:20,020
Okay, thank you very much.

4172
06:04:20,160 --> 06:04:21,200
Anything else on this topic?

4173
06:04:21,900 --> 06:04:22,540
Council member?

4174
06:04:23,880 --> 06:04:24,160
Okay.

4175
06:04:24,460 --> 06:04:25,680
Mike was on, so, okay.

4176
06:04:26,320 --> 06:04:27,160
Good, good.

4177
06:04:27,460 --> 06:04:27,960
Very good.

4178
06:04:28,080 --> 06:04:28,420
Thank you.

4179
06:04:28,420 --> 06:04:29,080
Thank you.

4180
06:04:29,240 --> 06:04:29,360
Okay.

4181
06:04:30,160 --> 06:04:34,660
Next up is C-11, receiving an update from the Mayor and City Council Members regarding

4182
06:04:34,660 --> 06:04:39,760
board liaison information from outside organizations and other meetings attended.

4183
06:04:42,060 --> 06:04:46,140
In the interest of time, I'm just, I'm going to dispense with that and I'll give my report

4184
06:04:46,140 --> 06:04:46,780
at the next meeting.

4185
06:04:48,740 --> 06:04:49,180
Anybody?

4186
06:04:50,620 --> 06:04:50,960
That's your question?

4187
06:04:53,100 --> 06:04:53,540
Okay.

4188
06:04:54,600 --> 06:04:54,760
Good.

4189
06:04:55,080 --> 06:04:55,160
Good.

4190
06:04:55,360 --> 06:04:55,540
Okay.

4191
06:04:55,540 --> 06:04:59,740
Okay. That's the C-12 discussion.

4192
06:05:00,140 --> 06:05:22,740
Future agenda items, may they have anything for future? Very good. We did not do C1, which was to discuss regular agenda items, but we've already had our regular agenda. So we will dispense with that. I am going to read us into executive session because we still have to do that.

4193
06:05:24,970 --> 06:05:30,390
So, please bear with me. City shall convene into a closed executive session,

4194
06:05:30,390 --> 06:05:32,950
and pursuant to the Texas government code section 551.

4195
06:05:33,310 --> 06:05:39,710
072 real property section 551.073 proposed donation

4196
06:05:40,370 --> 06:05:44,150
and section 551.071 consultation with attorney

4197
06:05:44,150 --> 06:05:47,790
to discuss and deliberate and to receive legal advice

4198
06:05:48,170 --> 06:05:51,210
from the city attorney regarding a proposed redevelopment

4199
06:05:51,210 --> 06:05:52,890
and possible land exchange relating

4200
06:05:52,890 --> 06:05:55,290
to farmers from ancient lunch school and Cox Park.

4201
06:05:56,010 --> 06:06:00,030
In addition, city will convene into closed executive session

4202
06:06:00,030 --> 06:06:03,610
in person to Texas government code, section 551.071.

4203
06:06:04,170 --> 06:06:06,510
Consultation with city attorney received legal advice

4204
06:06:06,510 --> 06:06:09,190
regarding the renewal of a warehouse lease agreement.

4205
06:06:09,750 --> 06:06:14,550
In addition, city will convene into closed executive session

4206
06:06:14,550 --> 06:06:19,310
pursuant to section 551.074, Texas government code personnel

4207
06:06:19,550 --> 06:06:23,570
to deliberate the appointment, employment, reassignment

4208
06:06:23,570 --> 06:06:26,530
and duties of the communications department.

4209
06:06:26,530 --> 06:06:32,890
and the city will convene into a closed executive session percent to

4210
06:06:32,890 --> 06:06:50,350
Texagham Code, section 551.074, personnel discussion delivery on proposals for the city attorney legal services, and finally this city council will convene into closed executive session pursuant to section 551.071, I believe.

4211
06:06:50,350 --> 06:06:55,370
We leave consultation with City Attorney to discuss and deliberate firehouse theater.

4212
06:07:32,910 --> 06:07:34,600
Welcome back, 1233.

4213
06:07:36,200 --> 06:07:40,120
There was no action to be taken as a result of executive session.

4214
06:07:40,900 --> 06:07:47,280
So that will conclude our meeting for this evening and we will adjourn at 1233.

4215
06:07:47,760 --> 06:07:48,540
Thank you very much.