[0:12] Everybody on this side and father the
[0:15] few things we have to do to get started
[0:17] and then we'll call you forward please.
[0:20] >> Okay. Um call the meeting to order at 6
[0:23] o' uh first item will be a roll call
[0:28] >> here.
[0:38] » all right. Well, tonight we're having an
[0:40] invocation by Father Dominic. And
[0:43] Father, would you come forward to the
[0:45] podium and we'll all stand for the
[0:47] invocation and after that we'll do the
[0:49] pledge of allegiance.
[0:56] In the name of the Father and of the Son
[0:58] and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Heavenly
[1:01] Father, we come before you today with
[1:04] grateful hearts asking you to bless our
[1:07] city council and all those who serve our
[1:11] community. Thank you for giving them the
[1:14] responsibility and opportunity to lead,
[1:18] make decisions and work for the common
[1:21] good. Lord, grant our council members
[1:25] wisdom to make good decisions, courage
[1:30] to do what is right, patience when
[1:33] facing difficult challenges, and
[1:36] compassion for every person they
[1:39] represent. Help them listen carefully to
[1:43] the needs of our families, children,
[1:46] seniors, businesses, and those who are
[1:50] struggling. Guide them to work together
[1:54] with respect, honesty, fairness, and
[1:58] unity, putting our communities
[2:01] well-being above personal interests. May
[2:06] their decisions promote peace, safety,
[2:11] justice, and opportunities for all. May
[2:15] the Holy Spirit guide our leaders. May
[2:18] Christ be at the center of the service
[2:22] and may God bless and protect our city
[2:26] and all who call it home. Protect our
[2:30] city and all who call it home. In the
[2:33] name of the Father and of the Son and of
[2:36] the Holy Spirit. Amen.
[2:39] >> Thank you, Father. Thank you.
[2:41] >> Ready. Salute. I pledge allegiance to
[2:44] the flag of the United States of America
[2:47] and to the republic for which it stands.
[2:49] One nation under God, indivisible, with
[2:52] liberty and justice for all.
[2:55] >> Okay. Thank you. And
[2:59] thank you very much uh Miss Kintanar for
[3:02] bringing the father tonight.
[3:05] Okay. And um so the first item uh now
[3:08] would be the approval of the agenda. Do
[3:11] we have a motion?
[3:14] I'll move for approval.
[3:16] >> Second it.
[3:17] >> Motion by Gomez, second
[3:20] >> by Valdinos.
[3:22] >> I
[3:25] >> Yes. Hi I
[3:28] >> Okay. And uh next would be the consent
[3:31] calendar which is only one item. Does
[3:33] anybody wish to pull it?
[3:38] » Uh can we pull it Mayor Paul? I do have
[3:40] some questions.
[3:41] >> Okay. So, we're gonna pull item uh for
[3:45] the Veterans Park splash pad
[3:48] rehabilitation and startup. And I don't
[3:50] know if we we do have a staff report
[3:53] that's been written up
[3:56] and um
[3:59] you know I I know I read through it and the part that I that what I
[4:04] understand is this is like the first
[4:06] stage and what may be additional work
[4:09] that needs to be done. Uh I I understand
[4:13] that it's been I guess 14 years but it
[4:16] might have been more than that that that
[4:18] was first put in that they said that be
[4:21] it's been about 14 years since they u
[4:23] really had totally had the maintenance
[4:27] that would you be considered complete
[4:29] and that this is the first uh in this
[4:32] first phase here is to uh correct those
[4:35] items that are above ground. They're not
[4:37] sure what's below ground. they have to
[4:40] take care of these things first and then
[4:43] after that um they're they're
[4:46] recommending that um you know we there
[4:48] be a weekly maintenance
[4:53] uh and that would be a separate contract
[4:55] and then if there's underground work
[4:56] that would be a separate contract but
[5:02] » oh and well first of all before well I'd
[5:06] like to ask council members
[5:08] Go public comment.
[5:11] >> I did.
[5:15] Let's go to public comment. I apologize.
[5:22] Okay. Don't want to be a bearer of bad
[5:24] news, but I've been waiting a month for
[5:28] a record request
[5:30] and never got it. I turned it to your
[5:33] clerk because Miss Gonzalez over there
[5:36] at the police department don't know how
[5:37] what she's doing. She sent me another
[5:41] place to go put in a public record.
[5:43] That's not the way it works. And I'll
[5:46] give you guys a couple of days to fix it
[5:48] because once I do a public record
[5:50] request, it's a litigation hold on what
[5:52] I want. and a disability altered or
[5:58] hidden from me as a
[6:01] and so I'd rather not involve that
[6:06] sheriff. If not, I'm going to be calling
[6:09] an intent to sue myself.
[6:11] >> Okay, Mr. Limy, by the way, we should
[6:14] not mention any city employees by name.
[6:17] Uh, and I'll ask anybody in audience to
[6:20] not refrain from that
[6:21] >> to identify Yeah.
[6:23] >> Why can't we identify them?
[6:27] >> Well, all I can say that's the re what
[6:30] the attorney has told me that that's
[6:32] what the the law says. But that said, uh
[6:35] you know
[6:37] >> that I believe it's been received.
[6:38] >> Yes.
[6:39] >> Okay. It's been received. I know there's
[6:41] things that go to our attorney before
[6:43] they can be released. And um
[6:47] >> the the rule is real clear about open
[6:50] records. If you don't have an attorney,
[6:52] that's your problem. You need to get
[6:54] something going. It's clear you have 10
[6:56] days. I was never notified of any
[7:00] extension. And what she did already
[7:02] violated
[7:04] the Open Records Act already.
[7:08] Now, I can I can send it all my
[7:10] information to the attorney general and
[7:12] see what they want to do. But, uh, I'd
[7:15] like to get this done in house, but I'm
[7:18] not going to keep playing the game with
[7:20] you guys. There's been several records
[7:23] I've never received,
[7:25] >> and there's three more coming up real
[7:27] fast close to the 10 day.
[7:30] >> Okay. And and uh
[7:33] what I would would ask, all of these
[7:35] have been submitted to to Michelle.
[7:37] Okay. So, she has them. I know that our attorney is still working for us.
[7:42] He's not here right now. Uh he has
[7:46] resigned, just so you know that. Uh but
[7:49] he he is willing to continue working
[7:51] until we find a replacement. And so that
[7:54] doesn't mean that he's not working on
[7:55] things. So,
[7:57] >> he will respond appropriately.
[7:59] >> How do you get someone that never voted
[8:01] in for the council of the vice mayor?
[8:05] >> He was never voted in. He should be a
[8:08] temporary
[8:09] fill in, not to be advanced. He
[8:13] advancing when the people didn't want
[8:15] him in here. They didn't vote for him.
[8:17] >> Sir,
[8:20] you know, we can choose
[8:24] who between us who the council members
[8:26] are. This gentleman has been voted in in
[8:28] the past, but
[8:30] >> voted not voted for. Okay. We'll just do
[8:33] a a recall on the whole city council.
[8:36] about that.
[8:38] >> Thank you for your comments. Anybody
[8:40] else wish to speak on public comments?
[8:46] » Okay.
[8:47] And I apologize for not skipping a
[8:50] public comments there and getting in the
[8:51] wrong order. But back to the the
[8:54] Veterans Parks flash pad. Um
[8:58] uh
[9:00] we do not have our acting public works
[9:03] director here tonight, Troy Ever. Um
[9:07] >> excuse me, Mayor Boyer. Did you ask if
[9:09] there was anyone else that wanted to
[9:11] step forward or No.
[9:13] >> Well, I might have missed that. Does
[9:15] anybody else wish to come on public
[9:16] comments?
[9:18] >> Is there going to be more discussion on
[9:20] the park flashback?
[9:22] >> Uh there will be. Yes.
[9:25] Okay.
[9:27] Um or sir, did you want to speak
[9:30] in public? [clears throat]
[9:32] >> Okay. I'm
[9:35] >> I messed up. I got that out out of order
[9:38] and then I didn't make sure that
[9:39] everybody had a chance to speak. I
[9:40] apologize.
[9:41] >> Oh, perfect. U I I just My name is Dorio
[9:44] Gutier. I uh live at 500 North Current,
[9:46] but I um I haven't received a call about
[9:49] the incident with my neighbor um at 522
[9:53] North Kern and um I really when I called
[9:58] Brenda to come out um she um said that
[10:03] she would go out later, she never went
[10:05] out, but I really wanted to see if it
[10:07] didn't have to be her, it could be
[10:08] anybody just to come out and see what
[10:10] the neighbor actually did in that in the
[10:14] um the the the water cement block where
[10:17] you where it's um cemented. Um there's a
[10:21] lid to open it. I just wanted to see if
[10:23] someone can inspect what they actually
[10:26] did there. And and um I already have um
[10:29] he's already been violated for the the
[10:31] dumping of toxic water, but I believe
[10:33] that's what he's continually trying to
[10:35] do. Divert the water somewhere else or
[10:38] something. And I uh right now actually
[10:40] before I um came over here I I double
[10:43] checked that area where there was the illegal dumpings and there's water
[10:48] still leeching out from there. All of
[10:51] his he uses white rocks of some sort to
[10:54] like cover up or to make it look nice
[10:56] and they're all falling through the
[10:58] ground. He's trying to reme remedy it by putting
[11:02] like bathroom like a really thin
[11:04] bathroom uh like a wallpaper or
[11:08] something. It's like a pretty pretty
[11:09] hard but they're just using all kinds of
[11:11] junk. The whole fence is all damaged.
[11:14] >> Sir, you you would want someone from the city to go out and take a look
[11:19] at it. And Brendo is a person that you
[11:22] referred to.
[11:30] » I'm kind of c can can somebody get back
[11:34] to him then what that process is?
[11:40] » Is there a timeline that he can be
[11:42] given? Well, we were allowed the first
[11:45] violation which is two week a citation
[11:47] two weeks and third and second third the
[11:50] second and third each is two weeks. So
[11:53] accumulate that up.
[11:57] » Well, I'm kind of to the point where I'm
[11:58] just going to file a lawsuit. Um a civil
[12:01] lawsuit against him, but I have a lot of
[12:03] video to to and even previously the um
[12:08] Jose Maro, he he's the one that kind of
[12:10] helped and he took pictures of his own
[12:11] with the city. So, there's already
[12:13] documents um of the incident previously
[12:17] with the city already, but I just wanted
[12:20] to see it
[12:21] >> just like a cease desist or something. I
[12:24] I'm just not I'm kind of to that point
[12:26] where I'm just there. No, they're not
[12:28] supposed to be a washer back there, but
[12:30] they just continue washing their clothes
[12:32] and dumping that water from the washer
[12:33] into
[12:34] >> Okay, sir. Well, okay. I I understand
[12:36] what you're saying and I know we're
[12:39] going through whatever processes we can
[12:41] and then I know that if you want to do
[12:43] something legal with your neighbor
[12:44] that's your right to do so but
[12:46] >> just a bit
[12:48] >> we're following at least the steps that
[12:51] we need to.
[12:52] >> All right. Yeah. No.
[12:53] >> I'm sorry that is not happening quicker.
[12:56] >> Yeah. It's fine. I just would was
[12:58] expecting a call or at least someone to
[12:59] come out to to check with me and to see
[13:02] what what what that situation was about.
[13:05] And so I haven't been able to speak to
[13:06] anybody ever since that time. And they kind of when people do that,
[13:11] nothing happens to them. They continue
[13:12] to do it over and over until they until
[13:15] they someone stops and
[13:17] >> Okay. Okay.
[13:19] >> That's something.
[13:21] >> Thank you.
[13:23] >> Does anybody else wish to come up for
[13:26] public comment?
[13:30] » Not seeing anyone. Okay. Now, we're
[13:32] going to go to the item that was pulled
[13:34] from consent calendar, which is the
[13:36] Veterans Park splash pad. And um
[13:43] we don't actually have staff here to
[13:45] present on it tonight other than we've
[13:48] read this, but if there's we should have
[13:50] a discussion and then um see what people
[13:54] from the public have to say and then see
[13:55] if we want to make a decision on this.
[14:00] Mr. Tro discuss it at all. There's
[14:02] nobody here to talk about it.
[14:07] >> I don't see anyone here without having a
[14:09] city manager, without having our public
[14:11] first person. It hasn't gone to
[14:13] engineering.
[14:18] » Why is it here?
[14:20] >> Well, if uh after reading it, if we felt
[14:23] comfortable with it, we wanted to
[14:24] approve it either on consent or now that
[14:27] it's off of consent, we could.
[14:30] I know that it's been down for a while
[14:33] and I know it's the hottest part of the
[14:34] year and even now if it's going to get
[14:37] worked on it's not going to it's not
[14:39] going to get taken care of while it's
[14:42] still still really hot unfortunately.
[14:44] >> So Mayor Par, are we discussing it right
[14:46] now then or are we bringing it back
[14:47] because there's a couple of questions I
[14:49] do?
[14:49] >> We're we're bringing it up right now. So
[14:52] >> when does it the splash pad officially
[14:54] close?
[14:56] >> Is it October I think?
[15:00] Yeah.
[15:00] >> So, in two months.
[15:02] >> Um,
[15:04] >> and
[15:07] how was this budgeted before like all
[15:09] these,
[15:10] you know, all this stuff? How was it
[15:12] budgeted? Because it it was done at one
[15:14] point, right?
[15:16] >> When you say it was done,
[15:18] >> yeah, all this work, is it work that
[15:19] needs to get done on it? that according
[15:21] to this contractor who's you know as I
[15:25] understand familiar with splash pads
[15:28] this is their recommendation the work of
[15:30] what they would charge to do it which
[15:32] >> okay
[15:32] >> the
[15:34] >> so when it was built there was never
[15:36] money budgeted for these items right
[15:38] here
[15:39] >> well when it was built roughly 20 years
[15:42] ago I think um
[15:45] >> you know I I couldn't answer you whether
[15:48] what was budgeted every year it probably
[15:50] you know, they every
[15:53] I'm making an assumption that staff
[15:55] worked on it. They they were trained on
[15:56] how to take care of it. A lot of those
[15:58] staff have since left and equipment has
[16:02] um worn out and it's gotten to the point
[16:05] where the recommendation isn't is to not
[16:08] use it until everything is corrected.
[16:11] >> So, there's two months left.
[16:14] Can we ask
[16:16] Blaze and Associates for a grant for
[16:18] this? Uh because I think this is a
[16:21] perfect item. It's on a park.
[16:24] Um
[16:26] I don't see it as difficult to try to
[16:28] chase some money for this since it's two
[16:30] months away and
[16:34] you know look for a grant that's this
[16:36] amount.
[16:37] >> It's just two months away.
[16:39] >> Yeah.
[16:40] And then again, if this is the
[16:42] agreement,
[16:44] um, is this a one-time offer or is it
[16:49] ongoing? I don't see a start or end
[16:52] date.
[16:52] >> Yeah, this is just for the first phase.
[16:54] And honestly, if we were going to not
[16:58] try to do something right away, it
[16:59] probably makes sense to to uh get some
[17:02] other proposals um and um
[17:05] >> get it done over the winter and and make
[17:07] sure it's done right.
[17:08] >> That was my question. Is this are there
[17:10] other bids or is this the only bid?
[17:12] >> This is the only
[17:13] >> we were supposed to agree on today with
[17:15] no other bid.
[17:17] >> Correct. And and the again the
[17:18] assumption was to try to get things done
[17:20] as soon as possible. But again, it's
[17:23] again here we are almost September.
[17:26] >> So there's no point in rushing it since
[17:28] we're going to close in October. So
[17:30] yeah,
[17:30] >> I agree. definitely look for a grant
[17:33] >> and we're going to ask the public here,
[17:38] but just want to hear how what other
[17:39] council members thoughts are before we
[17:42] get public input.
[17:43] >> Yeah. I know normally for parks um when
[17:47] we build a park, we don't normally set
[17:49] aside money for maintenance. It's like
[17:52] um a fire truck or a police vehicle um
[17:56] or anything out of public works. Um,
[17:58] there's a there's a budget for
[18:00] maintenance and we pull it out of there.
[18:02] Uh, the $9,000 amount, I believe 10,000
[18:05] is when we have to go to bid or
[18:07] something above that. So, it's well
[18:10] within the the allotted the allotted
[18:13] amount for us to make a decision on it.
[18:17] Um, I don't I don't think it needs to
[18:18] wait two two months
[18:20] >> or two weeks. Um,
[18:23] and then as far as trying to find a
[18:25] grant, grants don't cover maintenance.
[18:27] Grants will cover improvements if that's
[18:29] what we're looking for. And grants maybe
[18:31] will cover a new uh splash pad, but not
[18:34] maintenance.
[18:35] >> That's a great idea, Greg. We should get
[18:37] a new splash pad for the kids. upgrade.
[18:40] >> Maybe after we finish the maintenance on
[18:42] this, we could have that discussion, but
[18:44] I think we need to take care of what we
[18:45] have right now.
[18:46] >> So, like you were saying, there's no
[18:48] extra. I believe there should be at
[18:50] least three bids.
[18:52] Anything in the amount of 5,000 or more.
[18:55] Um,
[18:57] it's 2 months away and let's talk to
[19:00] Blaze. That's what we're paying them
[19:01] for.
[19:03] >> Oh, Danny, you got any thoughts?
[19:09] » I would like to get a fix if possible
[19:12] before the season ended, but
[19:15] I wish there was a temporary fix we
[19:17] could do right now, but I wouldn't mind
[19:19] seeing a new bad phantom in the future.
[19:22] I think we should focus on the one we
[19:23] have right now, though.
[19:25] Okay. Well, at this point, I'd like to
[19:26] turn over to the public and if there's
[19:28] anybody wishes to speak on this item,
[19:31] uh, please come forward.
[19:37] » If you have a technician working at the
[19:39] city, no one worked on it. I got it from
[19:42] an inside source. That was never a test
[19:44] theft.
[19:45] >> They didn't do any upkeep on that
[19:46] machine. And in order to do it right,
[19:50] you need at least three bids. You can't
[19:53] just go out and grab a bid and okay and
[19:55] take it. Cities are obligated to get
[19:58] three bid and do the lowest bid.
[20:00] So, and no, there's no upkeep on that
[20:03] machine. I got it from a reliable source
[20:06] and I seen it.
[20:10] Unless you're a technician, no one did
[20:12] anything to it but maybe change filters
[20:14] and stuff like that. That machine was
[20:17] neglected.
[20:18] There's there's no one here that wants
[20:21] to take responsibility for anything in
[20:23] this town.
[20:25] >> They want to hear people and say, "Okay,
[20:27] that's what they said. That's what I'm
[20:28] going to believe." Instead of looking
[20:29] for themselves. I went through that
[20:32] myself.
[20:33] So, you need to get it together and do
[20:36] it the right way. You're supposed to get
[20:38] three bids and then take the least, not
[20:41] just go out and get a bid out. We're
[20:43] going to spend the people's money
[20:45] because we don't want to do the
[20:47] footwork.
[20:48] Okay. Thank you, sir. Does anybody else
[20:51] wish to speak on this subject?
[20:59] » Good afternoon, Alice Lopez, 44 North
[21:02] Matthews. Um, I understand that the
[21:05] splash pad is something really important
[21:07] for you, the young children, and it's so
[21:09] hot out there. Uh, but at this point,
[21:11] you have a couple months left. I think
[21:13] you really need to take the time and get
[21:15] city matters in order, have all your
[21:18] staff present because uh even if you
[21:21] want to go out and look for a grant,
[21:24] there's not you don't have enough people
[21:25] to do that. And then when you get out
[21:27] there, you get somebody get these
[21:30] estimates or whatever uh to repair that.
[21:34] Maybe also look into adding some
[21:36] additional things. One of the things
[21:37] that I had suggested at one time is to
[21:39] put a shower uh maybe alongside the
[21:42] bathroom. So that way if they need to
[21:45] run you wash certain things off because
[21:48] we know what's happening out there with
[21:51] the unhoused, they're using that as a
[21:53] shower. So if you put the shower that
[21:56] runs about the same time that the splash
[21:59] pad does, you just have the water on
[22:01] during those times. Everybody can rinse
[22:03] off the unnecessary things before they
[22:06] get on the splash pad. I know that the
[22:08] splash pad was just repainted a year
[22:11] ago, two years ago, and it looks very
[22:14] nice, but with all the additional stuff
[22:16] going into the system, that's why it was
[22:19] constantly down. So, um, unfortunately
[22:23] for the younger children, um, I wish
[22:26] that there was a better answer, but at
[22:28] this point, I don't think, uh, the
[22:31] city's able to do that kind of thing
[22:32] right now.
[22:33] >> Thank you.
[22:36] >> Anybody else wish to speak on the
[22:37] subject?
[22:39] Okay, bringing it back to council
[22:42] and um
[22:44] you know I I I guess one question I as
[22:49] and I don't know if anybody in the city
[22:50] staff has heard like complaints about
[22:53] how long it's been down or
[22:56] anything.
[22:58] >> We have gotten calls to be open
[23:02] a few people.
[23:03] >> Yeah.
[23:05] uh you know I have to say that that even
[23:08] if we hired this company they're they're
[23:10] not guaranteeing that it's going to be
[23:12] operational even when they're done with
[23:14] this first phase and since we are
[23:17] getting closer to October
[23:19] um maybe it does make sense to
[23:23] u have it looked into some more and uh
[23:26] if we could get a grant that would be
[23:28] great um I know Blazen Associates can
[23:31] always check on those things Um and and
[23:36] this is something that possibly we may
[23:38] want to get our city engineer to take a
[23:40] look at also. And um and you know maybe
[23:43] it could if if we're going to go the
[23:45] efforts to to do that maybe we could
[23:47] look at upgrading it some including a
[23:50] shower or anything else.
[23:53] >> So um
[23:56] yes it mentions the chlorine storage
[23:58] tank in here. Do we know what and what
[24:01] kind of shape it's in?
[24:04] We don't have anyone here that could
[24:06] answer that question, but we can get an
[24:08] answer. Yeah.
[24:09] >> Yeah. I think we should look at that.
[24:10] Um, and maybe that'll help us with the
[24:12] timing. You know, if it's compromised in
[24:14] any way, I mean, we really should move
[24:16] forward with some kind of work on it.
[24:18] [clears throat]
[24:18] >> Well, and and if it has a problem where
[24:22] there's a potential for a leak, uh, we
[24:25] better empty it.
[24:26] >> Yeah. Or make sure it's well, if there's
[24:29] we need to empty it if there's a
[24:30] potential leak. So if that's something
[24:33] we can pass on to staff with public
[24:35] works to check in to just make sure
[24:38] everything's
[24:39] there will not be a hazard and I know
[24:42] our fire department knows all about
[24:45] those kind of things too.
[24:47] >> Thank you. Okay. Thank you.
[24:50] So, is this something we want to uh uh
[24:53] basically
[24:55] make a recommendation to staff that they
[24:57] bring back where they look at these
[24:58] other options and then bring it back as
[25:00] a future agenda item and have it ready
[25:03] for when summer starts next year, having
[25:07] it something operational by then?
[25:13] >> Yeah.
[25:15] >> Okay. So, at this point, would we say
[25:17] we're tableabling it?
[25:21] table with get everything in order. Get
[25:23] your bids. Get
[25:25] >> Yeah.
[25:26] >> Have Jason look into can upgrade that
[25:29] for fifths and u
[25:32] see what kind of grants they can get.
[25:34] >> Okay. Do we have a is that a motion to
[25:36] table with those uh
[25:38] >> items included?
[25:40] >> Yes.
[25:43] >> So Tina, that's that's your motion.
[25:45] >> I second it.
[25:46] >> And second by Valdeinos. Does that
[25:48] include in the safety checks and making
[25:50] sure that we empty the tank and if
[25:52] there's part nothing
[25:55] >> um
[25:56] >> worked at that.
[25:57] >> Yeah, it includes that. Okay, but we got
[25:59] that. It's going to happen anyway.
[26:01] Whether it wasn't a motion, but yes, it
[26:02] includes included the motion and second
[26:05] agrees to that. Okay.
[26:07] >> I
[26:10] >> Yes.
[26:14] sir.
[26:16] what she said about the housing using
[26:17] the water
[26:19] you know filter
[26:23] going on maybe
[26:26] shut off after so
[26:31] you know it
[26:33] is
[26:35] afterwards I was thinking
[26:38] >> okay well that's something that be a
[26:40] separate item sir so I don't yeah it's
[26:43] not not on the agenda Okay.
[26:45] >> Yeah.
[26:54] » That's a good idea to consider when we
[26:57] bring it back.
[26:58] >> Okay. Okay.
[27:01] >> All right. Uh Okay. Next item are action
[27:04] items and the first one is discussion
[27:06] regarding the interim city manager. and
[27:09] we interviewed two candidates on um
[27:14] Friday evening
[27:16] and uh
[27:18] the two candidates names
[27:23] um
[27:27] » and what was I know Kevin Northcraft was
[27:30] [snorts]
[27:31] one of the candidates and Bossberg Mr.
[27:34] Bossburg was the second one. And so, uh,
[27:38] I know staff has passed out, uh, their
[27:42] where they reached out for references
[27:44] and and checked out. I know the council
[27:46] has had a chance. I don't know if you've
[27:47] all had a chance to look at that.
[27:49] >> Got that a little bit before the meeting
[27:51] started.
[27:53] Um,
[27:55] but with that, I would I would start
[27:58] with uh asking council members if they
[28:00] have any uh comments and questions. any
[28:04] anything that
[28:07] you would want to add
[28:12] or you need a little more time for for
[28:14] reading the
[28:16] >> Were these sent to us or something?
[28:18] >> Well, they were just handed out before
[28:19] the meeting,
[28:21] >> but we can we could take a little more
[28:23] time to to read it and then and before
[28:26] we make any decisions, we'll ask the
[28:27] public for any comments, too.
[28:36] And maybe a little little background on
[28:38] it is uh well we're this little
[28:41] interlude here. Um the uh uh our
[28:46] police chief Jay Brock uh his last day
[28:49] as interim city manager was last Friday.
[28:53] He's still our police chief. Uh we're
[28:57] trying to get an interim city manager as
[29:00] soon as possible to fill that role
[29:03] because as you can see tonight we don't
[29:05] have everything we need to to carry on
[29:07] business. Um and so uh we interview we
[29:12] actually screened I think there were
[29:14] maybe five people that uh we thought
[29:17] might apply for the job and it turned
[29:20] out that actually only two were
[29:22] available to interview last Friday
[29:24] evening when we're here. And so we did
[29:26] those interviews and so at this point I
[29:31] I'd say it's a decision on the council
[29:34] between those two people that we
[29:36] interviewed.
[29:38] >> What's there's three people. What is
[29:40] this?
[29:42] The Fernando Santan. Is that something
[29:44] different?
[29:48] » Mr. Santion, I think he was available
[29:53] like on a 5050,
[29:56] >> a little bit more than 5050
[29:58] on the phone and every other week he um
[30:03] he has to have a alternate schedule
[30:06] because of his kids. He lives in Fresno
[30:08] and I'm going to be doing this. So, he
[30:11] has to drop at school and then he also
[30:13] has to pick them up from school. And
[30:15] then he also has a commitment on stage
[30:18] uh two stations
[30:20] as well and
[30:23] >> okay so if we wanted a full-time
[30:26] interim city manager there's two if we
[30:28] wanted to consider
[30:30] part-time
[30:32] that could be considered also
[30:35] so basically everything's on the table
[30:37] >> so that Fernando Santan we didn't
[30:39] interview him so is that one
[30:42] >> so can we schedule a date to interview
[30:44] him because I don't want to say that we
[30:46] interviewed two people and this guy we
[30:48] don't even know who he is. We just got
[30:50] it today.
[30:53] >> Well, he he had been contacted earlier,
[30:56] too.
[30:58] Yeah. And uh we can decide to do that or
[31:02] we can decide that we want to make a
[31:04] decision based on who we interview.
[31:22] I think it's more than fair to give
[31:23] everybody interviews.
[31:35] Well,
[31:38] like I said earlier, I think we need to
[31:40] have someone as soon as possible. And if
[31:43] we were satisfied with one of the
[31:45] persons that we interviewed, I think we
[31:48] should make a decision on that,
[31:52] but that's up to us.
[32:00] » So, Paul, tonight is just a discussion
[32:02] of who we're going to choose. That's it.
[32:04] >> It's actually
[32:06] under an action item, so we can take
[32:09] action.
[32:17] But it's is it talking about the
[32:19] employment commitment and
[32:22] compensation and what about the
[32:24] backgrounds checks? They how do they
[32:25] clear?
[32:27] >> We have not done any background checks
[32:29] yet, but if we were to make a decision,
[32:31] we could make it subject to a positive
[32:35] background check. I think that
[32:37] previously happened to us with um Daniel
[32:39] Padilla and we said that we weren't
[32:42] going to do that again. We'd wait for
[32:43] the background check to be completed if
[32:46] I'm correct.
[32:48] >> That's why we would make it contingent,
[32:50] right?
[32:51] >> Yeah.
[32:51] >> That's how they contingent.
[32:53] >> It be contingent
[32:56] on passing.
[32:57] >> That's what we said was in also. I mean,
[33:02] >> yeah, that went sideways for a whole
[33:03] other reason.
[33:05] >> No, it was for that reason.
[33:11] » Yeah,
[33:11] >> I'm happy with um you know, the the
[33:13] responses that we got back from Mr.
[33:15] Northcraftoft. He interviewed really
[33:17] well. Uh he's been in a city manager for
[33:21] position for many years in one way or
[33:23] under or another, either interim or
[33:26] full-time. So, um, yeah, I would
[33:29] consider
[33:30] >> it does Northcraft does stand out with a
[33:32] lot of knowledge and experience. He's
[33:34] done it before. So, and we need to get
[33:36] somebody in here quick. We need to start
[33:37] putting a team together because we don't
[33:38] have a team right now here at the city
[33:39] of Farmsville. We're running just with a
[33:42] few people and and it can't work with
[33:44] the staff we have right now. We got to
[33:45] fill it up soon.
[33:48] >> Okay. Well, before I weigh in, I'd like
[33:50] to open it up to the public. And I know
[33:53] none of you were in the interviews
[33:55] because that was a close session uh
[33:58] personnel issue, but if anybody wants to
[34:00] talk, you know, come up to the podium
[34:01] and speak about it, please please do so.
[34:05] >> Is this guy local or out of town?
[34:08] >> He's uh lives in Tallery, I believe. I
[34:11] know he was their city manager before.
[34:13] >> Okay. He done city manager before, but
[34:16] without a background check, you don't
[34:18] know what he'd like. and and there's
[34:23] jobs you can't get minimum wage jobs.
[34:26] Remember what happened to the last one?
[34:28] year you let him go and he had
[34:31] experience. Are we going to go through
[34:33] that again?
[34:35] >> By the way, we're hiring someone to be
[34:37] interim for a sixmon approximately a
[34:40] six-month term and then what can happen
[34:44] is that that person can help go through
[34:46] the the selection process for the
[34:48] long-term city manager.
[34:53] Okay.
[34:56] » Okay. Is there anybody else wishes could
[34:58] come up
[35:00] >> so Paul I do have
[35:02] >> well okay well just this gentleman
[35:04] >> what the qualifications would be for
[35:06] city managers
[35:09] >> um and and you don't have to come
[35:11] forward we could hear you from there.
[35:12] Okay. Uh I I don't have the list in
[35:15] front of me, but um the preference was
[35:18] to have someone with city manager
[35:20] experience.
[35:22] Um
[35:22] >> any degrees,
[35:26] » you know, um for the long-term city
[35:28] manager, we were talking about having, I
[35:30] believe, a master's in public
[35:31] administration.
[35:33] I'm not sure
[35:36] if these candidates have that.
[35:39] I know. At least bachelor's degrees
[35:41] [snorts]
[35:43] >> or associates or something.
[35:44] >> Oh, at least bachelors.
[35:47] >> Yeah.
[35:49] >> Okay. Thank you.
[35:51] Any other comments or questions?
[35:55] Okay. We'll bring it back to the
[35:56] council.
[35:57] >> I do have a kind of a question um in
[36:00] regards to this. Um I I saw the email
[36:03] earlier and I asked Mike if I could
[36:06] comment on it. Um, if as you stated
[36:10] being the mayor is only for ceremonial
[36:14] purposes.
[36:14] >> Exactly.
[36:16] >> Then why was it discussed that we would
[36:19] have Farley do the negotiations for us
[36:22] and all that
[36:23] >> that was in the email?
[36:25] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[36:27] without our
[36:30] >> so the council didn't know about
[36:32] >> he he is he has done that before
[36:36] and if that's something that the council
[36:38] does not want to occur
[36:43] we can do it differently
[36:44] >> I was just thinking since the mayor is
[36:46] supposed to be only ceremonial purposes
[36:49] why would you bring that to Barley and
[36:53] ask him that that is something that the
[36:56] council should discuss Yes.
[36:59] >> And and according to the email, looks
[37:01] like you already have picked a
[37:02] candidate. And I just have a question.
[37:05] Does anybody know this candidate Kevin
[37:08] Northcrap that I mean if we end up
[37:10] picking them
[37:12] again in the past we failed we failed we
[37:16] managers because again
[37:19] >> someone has always referred that person
[37:22] and so I thought the discussion was that
[37:24] we're going to try to steer away from
[37:25] that. Um, I'm not gonna I know we can't
[37:29] discuss close session items, but I'm
[37:31] going to say this and I'm gonna say it
[37:33] as carefully as I can.
[37:37] When I asked my 16-year-old to go get a
[37:40] job, he threw a big old fit.
[37:44] Mr. Kevin,
[37:46] that's what it sound like. It sounded
[37:47] like someone holded his hand like, "You
[37:49] have to come and take this job or else
[37:50] you're out." That's what I felt like.
[37:54] Mr. Nate then brings so much experience.
[37:58] His heart is there for the community. He
[38:00] would advocate for the community. His
[38:03] number one goal was the community.
[38:05] >> Yes.
[38:06] >> It was not about himself.
[38:09] >> He [clears throat] did his homework
[38:10] about the community.
[38:13] This man, Mr. uh Nathan has so much
[38:18] his wealth of knowledge, so many
[38:20] resources. I think he would just bring
[38:23] it would benefit the city of
[38:24] Farmersville,
[38:26] especially what's going on right now. We
[38:27] need some more positiveness. We need
[38:29] people that know their stuff. We know
[38:31] people that are not going to use the
[38:32] city and we're not we want people that
[38:34] are not going to have get easy money
[38:36] from the city anymore.
[38:39] Um, Mr. Nathan, I think he's the best
[38:42] candidate
[38:45] and I'm going to leave it as that.
[38:48] And I just I got to say that I I just
[38:50] hope as council members I hope we make
[38:52] the best decision for the best interest
[38:54] of the people
[38:56] >> of the people.
[38:58] >> And so who's going to treat the people
[39:00] right and you could tell with Nathan the
[39:04] type of personality he had? He was very
[39:07] energetic
[39:08] and he is very knowledgeable. And um
[39:13] I know you you you know the other
[39:15] candidate and that's where I'm I I don't
[39:21] >> anyway
[39:23] >> we don't know
[39:23] >> if I can just
[39:24] >> so just the time
[39:26] >> respond one thing when you say I know
[39:28] the candidate I know through my previous
[39:31] employment I worked uh with a project in
[39:34] the city of Taller when he was the city
[39:37] manager roughly 20 25 years ago and So,
[39:40] I went to some meetings he was at there.
[39:43] Um,
[39:45] you know, that's that's as much as I
[39:47] know him. Uh, I did make some phone
[39:50] calls uh to uh the the member of the
[39:55] Chamber of Commerce in uh in Toeri. Um
[40:00] got positive feedback from him. uh
[40:03] talked with uh county supervisor, had
[40:06] positive things to say about not only
[40:08] his work experience as a city manager,
[40:11] but his character and he also uh was on
[40:16] the Deli District Hospital Board and
[40:20] helped clean things up over there and
[40:22] was their their president for some some
[40:24] time. He's also had a number of uh
[40:28] assignments or or let me put it this way
[40:30] jobs where he's uh been the u interim
[40:35] city manager and this is after he served
[40:37] the 10 years there in Toeri and uh
[40:41] positive feedback from those
[40:44] assignments.
[40:46] Um
[40:47] so in my mind he's qualified. Another
[40:51] thing that I think is an advantage to
[40:53] the city if we do choose him is that
[40:56] he's a retired Kalpers uh annuitant and
[41:01] uh and that means that uh we don't have
[41:04] to pay uh extra for a lot of fringe and
[41:09] things like that that um we would for
[41:11] anybody else in the position
[41:14] >> and and he only wants a job for six
[41:16] months and and I think in our case it
[41:18] makes sense to have someone for
[41:21] roughly that period of time because we
[41:22] want to wait till after election in
[41:24] November, see who the council is at that
[41:26] time and that council
[41:28] can that he could work with that council
[41:30] to, you know, get a long-term city
[41:33] manager afterwards. I I don't think it's
[41:36] a good idea to get try to get a
[41:37] long-term city manager right now before
[41:40] the election.
[41:43] So, those are my thoughts on it.
[41:47] Well, we know how this is going to go.
[41:49] So, go ahead and make your motion.
[41:54] » Any any other comments? Because I am
[41:56] willing to make a motion. But any other
[41:58] comments from any other council members?
[42:00] >> I just feel Kevin or Prep is perfect
[42:01] right now for us to get him right now at
[42:03] the moment. He's got the knowledge, the
[42:04] experience. He's got good reference,
[42:06] good feedback,
[42:07] people saying nothing but good things
[42:09] about him. He's worked at many other
[42:11] places where he's helped improve other
[42:14] cities, got them out of meth and you
[42:16] know left them in a better state. So I
[42:18] don't see why we can't get him somebody
[42:20] already been in that situation work with
[42:22] this you know as city manager. So
[42:25] >> and thank you to human resources for
[42:27] doing the
[42:29] >> Thank you.
[42:31] >> Okay. Well, I'm I'm going to make a
[42:33] motion and I move to approve a
[42:35] contingent offer offer of employment to
[42:38] Kevin Northcraft for the position of
[42:40] interim city manager contingent upon
[42:43] successful completion and approval by
[42:45] city council of a background check and
[42:48] review and approval by the city council
[42:49] of the interim city manager employment
[42:51] contract
[42:53] >> and I second it.
[42:56] >> Any further discussion?
[42:59] Okay.
[43:00] >> I
[43:04] >> no.
[43:08] >> Okay.
[43:09] We'll move on with the next item which
[43:11] is uh related to discussion regarding
[43:14] interim city attorney.
[43:16] And um at after our last regular council
[43:20] meeting, our city attorney sent us all
[43:24] an email saying that he was going to be
[43:27] resigning the city attorney. However, he
[43:30] would continue on until we have a
[43:34] replacement.
[43:36] Um part of continuing on though means
[43:40] he's not going to council meetings where
[43:42] you can see it would be very helpful to
[43:44] have an an attorney here. And so
[43:48] um this is just for discussion right
[43:51] now. I know we we've got a
[43:53] [clears throat]
[43:54] a pretty old proposal that came from uh
[43:58] Moses Diaz um years ago. Interesting
[44:03] being uh interim city attorney. Um but
[44:07] personally, I think we ought to take
[44:09] some time to
[44:11] um do some more research and and and
[44:16] um you know, we we definitely need to go
[44:17] through a request for proposals for a
[44:20] long-term city attorney. Uh it's it's
[44:22] our decision if we want to have a more
[44:25] streamlined approach for an interim, but
[44:27] I just want to open up for discussion.
[44:37] If anybody wishes to speak on the
[44:39] council, we're open to comments from
[44:43] the public after we've had a chance to
[44:45] say something and we'll bring it back to
[44:46] council.
[44:47] >> Is there recommendations from League of
[44:49] Cities at all?
[44:51] I you know I know that Jay had sent
[44:54] something out there asking for a
[44:56] response and
[45:03] » you say
[45:06] can you follow up on that and and see if
[45:09] we've gotten anything because we want to
[45:12] put it out there and um Yeah.
[45:20] And the attorney that you mentioned
[45:23] right now, where is he coming from?
[45:25] >> He's I I believe Vicelia.
[45:28] Uh the the name of the firm is Public
[45:31] Interest Law Firm. He [clears throat]
[45:32] used to work for the Farley Law Firm. He
[45:34] was our
[45:36] he was the person that was assigned to
[45:38] us for quite a while
[45:41] and then he went off and spun off in his
[45:43] own company with some I'm not sure who
[45:45] else is in it now.
[45:49] who recommended him?
[45:54] » I believe that
[45:57] Mike Farley said that he was he knew he
[45:59] was available and also I believe that um
[46:05] I think uh Jay Brock had said that uh we had a proposal from him which is what
[46:11] we have right here. But that's as much as I I could tell you.
[46:17] Any
[46:28] comments from council members before we
[46:30] open up the public?
[46:32] Okay, let's open up the public. Is
[46:34] anybody wish to speak on this item? We
[46:37] know we all know we need an attorney.
[46:40] You know, any good city attorneys out
[46:41] there are send them our way.
[46:48] Okay.
[46:51] I know this it's it's a kind of a tough
[46:54] thing to
[46:56] you know you don't find city attorneys
[46:58] that easy.
[47:00] >> Just one last comment. I mean if he was
[47:02] referred by Mike Farley and J Brock and
[47:05] both of them have resigned,
[47:07] isn't that a pattern that he will resign
[47:10] too?
[47:11] So
[47:13] >> I can't say that.
[47:19] » Well, let let's how about if we talk
[47:20] about a process here and and one process
[47:24] I would suggest is with our new interim
[47:28] city manager after he starts assuming
[47:31] everything's works out all right. Uh,
[47:34] I I think that he could help go through
[47:38] that process in uh both getting an
[47:42] interim and a long-term
[47:44] city attorney. And
[47:47] does that sound like a reasonable
[47:49] approach?
[47:53] » My only concern is not having somebody
[47:55] here during our meetings.
[47:58] >> Yes.
[47:58] >> Um because I think that opens us up to
[48:01] liability. Not just personal liability,
[48:04] but liability for the city.
[48:06] >> Yeah.
[48:06] >> So, you know, I
[48:10] that's a risk.
[48:13] >> Just I also just want to make sure he's
[48:16] not getting paid the whole amount since
[48:18] he's not showing up.
[48:21] >> Well, I think he's charges by the hour
[48:26] » to be here.
[48:28] >> Yeah.
[48:28] >> Awesome.
[48:30] But he would not be getting paid for
[48:32] being into
[48:34] that meetings at this point.
[48:37] Okay. Well, I uh it sounds to me like
[48:39] this is something that needs to get
[48:40] tabled.
[48:43] » I think if we make a decision, it's
[48:45] going to have to be at the next meeting.
[48:47] >> Okay. So,
[48:49] >> so table this to the next
[48:51] >> Yeah.
[48:52] >> council meeting, which I think is
[48:54] September 14th. So, [snorts] is it
[48:56] getting tabled to the next council
[48:57] meeting, Paul, or is it going to be what
[48:59] you said and it's going to be the
[49:00] interim city manager that's going to
[49:02] work on it? Well, of course, I'm sure
[49:03] you're going to be there helping him.
[49:05] Which one is it going to be?
[49:11] » Well,
[49:11] >> I thought I thought you said that when
[49:14] we get the interim city manager.
[49:16] >> Well, I mean, I'm happy to make a
[49:18] decision right now if that's what you
[49:19] would like.
[49:21] >> I wasn't speaking to you, Greg. I was
[49:22] talking to Paul.
[49:24] >> St.
[49:25] Why does it always have to count on you,
[49:27] Greg? You always have to make decisions.
[49:29] >> Okay, let let's let's get Okay, back to Okay. Um,
[49:36] >> well, I will say this. You know, we
[49:38] Nothing's going to happen until the
[49:40] council takes action.
[49:42] >> Well, you guys might as well take action
[49:44] because you guys are going to agree on
[49:46] it. You guys are going to go against us.
[49:47] >> We need to table it all. We need to uh
[49:50] talk to Vegas cities.
[49:54] >> Yeah. and and and that's that's my
[49:56] recommendation that we table this until
[50:00] the the next meeting regular meeting
[50:02] which will be September 14th. By that
[50:04] time hopefully we'll have our inner city
[50:06] manager
[50:10] ready and also uh hopefully uh we'll
[50:13] have some information from League of
[50:15] Cities and and any other avenues we can
[50:20] you know start searching
[50:24] So is that is that a motion to table
[50:27] till
[50:28] the next meeting? So
[50:30] >> yeah, I'll second it.
[50:32] >> And we need to get attorneys.
[50:36] >> Hi.
[50:39] >> Yes.
[50:40] >> No.
[50:43] >> Okay. Uh next item is uh we have council
[50:47] reports and
[50:50] Tina, you want to start your end? Well,
[50:52] go ahead. Skip me for right now. Come
[50:54] back to it.
[50:55] >> Okay. Or
[50:57] >> none for me.
[50:59] >> Wait a minute. We didn't do future
[51:00] agenda items, do we?
[51:02] >> Oh, sorry.
[51:06] » Uh, Greg.
[51:08] >> No.
[51:10] >> Danny.
[51:14] » Okay. Well, one thing I'll I'll mention
[51:16] is the Economic Development Corporation.
[51:19] I went to a meeting Wednesday last week
[51:21] and that the decision of the board was
[51:25] to dissolve the EDC
[51:29] uh
[51:30] and uh they looked at like the last five
[51:33] years and how the the balance of
[51:38] finances was going down and uh even
[51:40] though they were cutting back
[51:41] significantly on staff
[51:44] uh they decided it's best to dissolve
[51:46] while they still have funds to go
[51:48] through the dissolution process. They
[51:49] also um and the suggestion was that we
[51:53] voted on whatever funds are left over
[51:55] would go to the EDC foundation
[51:59] which um
[52:01] uh can still receive grants from um
[52:04] entities such as bankier which donated
[52:07] 25,000 this year to to the cre because
[52:11] of the community community reinvestment
[52:14] act. Um the next meeting is going to be
[52:18] on October 28th and at that point
[52:21] there'll probably be more information on
[52:24] the process. U in the meantime too um
[52:29] talking with um
[52:33] Mike and Alita that work for Tallery
[52:35] County Economic Development Office,
[52:38] which is a separate entity through the
[52:39] county. um they're they're still willing
[52:42] to work with the smaller cities to uh
[52:45] help with economic development and so we
[52:48] can call on them if
[52:51] and and at this point they're not
[52:52] charging anything so it's worth doing.
[52:55] Uh and other larger cities such as
[52:57] Vicelia they have their own economic
[53:00] development staff. Same thing with
[53:01] Taller, same thing with um with
[53:04] Porterville. So, uh, I think the smaller
[53:07] cities, you know, if we want to, um,
[53:10] could could possibly align with the
[53:12] county or we could try to do something
[53:14] different, but just want to give an
[53:16] update on that that it looks like the EC
[53:19] is is going away.
[53:22] And that's my only council report. And
[53:26] so, we'll go at this point for uh,
[53:29] manager reports and for city engineer
[53:32] Jason.
[53:35] done. So we got all the information sent
[53:37] out tomorrow
[53:40] just basically tell them what they need.
[53:43] Obviously they have to do it for their
[53:44] own lenders but that was all done and
[53:46] researched and completed. So I went
[53:48] through that as well.
[53:52] » Thank you Jason. You went above and
[53:53] beyond. You didn't have to do that but
[53:55] you did. Um I already uh let the
[53:58] neighbors know especially all the other
[54:00] streets. um they're very grateful about
[54:03] it because again they're very low income
[54:06] and they didn't know where this money
[54:07] was going to come from. And so I I truly
[54:10] appreciate you that you did that.
[54:11] >> Yeah. And good job. And and I was going
[54:13] to ask Tina, I know you first brought
[54:15] this up and and I don't know if this
[54:17] addressed all the properties that you
[54:20] had mentioned uh that might be on the
[54:22] other side of
[54:24] um
[54:26] the other side I think on on Virginia
[54:28] maybe on the on the south side of the
[54:31] bullet of Vicelia road. Uh, and so and I
[54:35] didn't want to because of the Brown Act,
[54:36] I know I was talking with Arceli, I
[54:39] didn't want to be talking with you about
[54:40] at the same time, but this is something
[54:41] that I think could come back as an
[54:42] agenda item to discuss all of it.
[54:47] >> Yeah, if that sounds reasonable to you.
[54:49] >> I thought letters were already sent out
[54:51] to all the residents to let them know
[54:52] that it was taken out of the
[54:54] >> concern.
[54:56] No, but before because I had Eddie
[55:00] um reach out to city manager and he
[55:05] >> he sent over a letter that should have
[55:06] been sent out to all the residents a
[55:08] while back
[55:09] >> and and and my understanding
[55:12] >> I don't think they were based on
[55:14] attorney's
[55:16] >> opinion and and in this case instead of
[55:19] coming out from the city it came from
[55:21] Jason at at four creeks and it was
[55:23] worded differently and and
[55:25] Mr. Farley reviewed that letter
[55:28] >> because Eddie's
[55:29] he's a blood guy that I use
[55:33] [clears throat]
[55:34] the one when the flood zone map changed
[55:36] I found the person that repaired the
[55:38] entire flood zone. So she went through
[55:40] the entire like to make sure I fully
[55:42] comprehended what she did. So I had a
[55:45] good understanding of what she did which
[55:46] essentially is just more or less she
[55:48] just removed stuff she really had.
[55:52] >> So basically zones are right next to the
[55:54] channel.
[55:55] >> So that's why I'm recommend we bring it
[55:57] back as an agenda item for covering all
[55:59] those other properties. Uh Tina and if
[56:02] the is it Mr. Perez the surveyor, you
[56:05] know, has that input that maybe that
[56:06] could get to Jason, too.
[56:09] >> That that would be good.
[56:10] >> Mayor, that was that was just wasted
[56:12] time. Ben, was Eddie?
[56:13] >> So, Mayor Paul, so since the city
[56:16] dropped the ball on this um people did
[56:18] go out there and purchase flood
[56:20] insurance.
[56:21] >> Well, they did.
[56:21] >> And they did uh get a city an engineer
[56:24] to come and get them out of the flood
[56:26] zone. Um what can that be done for that?
[56:30] Well, I'm not sure. The city dropped the
[56:32] ball. I think the attorney was was
[56:34] concerned about the liability of the way
[56:36] the letter the letter was written.
[56:39] >> Was that recently?
[56:40] >> Was that recently? The letter
[56:44] >> we were told it was going to get sent
[56:46] out a long a while back.
[56:47] >> Yeah. I don't think you were included,
[56:48] Paul, but there was months ago um
[56:50] >> this was already happening
[56:52] >> and it was reported to the um city clerk
[56:56] and city manager about it and it never
[56:59] happened. So, um, everything that you
[57:01] sent me, Jason, we already had it.
[57:04] >> Okay.
[57:04] >> Um, yeah.
[57:05] >> All I say is we've talked a lot about it
[57:07] and we ought to have as an agenda item
[57:08] and then we could go in more details.
[57:11] >> Okay.
[57:13] >> Do you want that as anformational item?
[57:18] >> Uh, well, and and to consider the
[57:20] additional properties that you have you
[57:24] have
[57:24] >> to find out.
[57:25] >> Yeah.
[57:26] >> Why wasn't anything done back then?
[57:28] because now our people have had to pay
[57:29] out of pocket. So I would like to know
[57:32] when the city attorney stated that that
[57:34] letter was
[57:36] not to be sent out
[57:38] >> because I was the misunderstanding and I
[57:40] did a lot of the leg work also emailing
[57:43] and he would call me because nobody had
[57:45] emailed him. So I want to make sure
[57:48] >> why wasn't that letter sent out to our
[57:50] people. So yeah, if you could put that
[57:52] on the agenda and find out all the
[57:54] answers, I would really appreciate that.
[57:57] Okay.
[57:59] >> Yeah. Well, you're you're you're not
[58:01] responsible for that part. Okay. It's
[58:03] trying to get the new letters out to the
[58:05] people that didn't get it before. I
[58:07] believe that in the format that you
[58:10] prepared.
[58:10] >> Yeah.
[58:11] >> Okay. Anything else?
[58:19] » So, they didn't quite
[58:22] making sure.
[58:25] So they're moving very tough now
[58:31] at the end. So that's a good thing. Um
[58:33] and then I got as meeting I got challen
[58:40] right now.
[58:43] We all going to regular roundabout. You
[58:45] kind of see how they play into
[58:46] everything. So roundabouts will be
[58:48] conceptual at this point time but you'll
[58:50] be able to see how they tie in and then
[58:51] you'll get to see someone from the
[58:53] county will be here. I'm working with
[58:55] that. It's going to actually be able to
[58:57] answer any questions. I'll probably have
[58:59] a couple staff members here that are
[59:01] working with 280 design itself as well.
[59:03] So, it'll be more of a presentation. You
[59:05] guys can ask questions. You guys are
[59:07] getting questions on it.
[59:10] >> That's great. Thank you. Thank you,
[59:13] >> Chief.
[59:21] That's something we could look into in
[59:22] the future, but go ahead, Chief.
[59:25] So
[59:27] fire department at the senior center we
[59:28] did a heat illness presentation last
[59:31] week and enjoy that. Our next
[59:34] presentation will be in two two or three
[59:38] weeks. We're going to bring in a lot of
[59:39] our tools and equipment to do kind of a
[59:41] short display with seniors. And the
[59:46] other news I have we had six went out
[59:49] this morning the timber fire.
[59:52] >> Oh wow. We'll be there again.
[59:56] >> Wow. And and and they've already come
[59:59] back from two other wildfires.
[1:00:01] >> They came back from the other ones. And
[1:00:02] so this morning I dispatched that.
[1:00:06] >> Wow.
[1:00:13] » Okay. Okay. And Sergeant Prost, we don't
[1:00:15] want to put you on the spot, but
[1:00:17] anything you want to report on from the
[1:00:18] police department?
[1:00:19] >> Uh nothing at this time.
[1:00:21] >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. call for council
[1:00:23] reports. I'm not sure when I can bring
[1:00:24] this up, but um I I still want to get
[1:00:27] all those in in those minutes from the
[1:00:30] last meeting. I was unable to speak
[1:00:33] >> and um change that. So, I would like to
[1:00:36] one of these days put that on the agenda
[1:00:38] soon
[1:00:40] >> so that I could get my minutes changed
[1:00:43] and my input. I I I believe what's being
[1:00:47] worked on is to have um
[1:00:52] verbate uh recordings
[1:00:55] of of everything
[1:00:57] uh and and and I'm talking about going
[1:00:59] forward and I'm not sure I can answer
[1:01:01] everything about going backwards, but going forwards uh recordings and
[1:01:06] then uh but we would have to vote if we
[1:01:08] want just summary minutes
[1:01:11] from that are typed but having the
[1:01:14] recordings that stay basically as long
[1:01:16] as the minutes stay that that could be
[1:01:18] looked at. Um and um obviously we know
[1:01:22] that you know depending on the length of
[1:01:23] a meeting sometimes those
[1:01:26] you know I I I think one of them was
[1:01:28] over 12 pages single spaced and still
[1:01:31] didn't cover everything. So but um
[1:01:34] that's that's not forgotten about what
[1:01:36] you said about in the past to to get get
[1:01:40] that together.
[1:01:42] Okay. Anything else? Council comments.
[1:01:46] >> Yeah. Um about the minutes again. Yeah.
[1:01:48] >> Um so we've always done summary minutes.
[1:01:52] >> Yeah.
[1:01:53] >> We never move to do transcription
[1:01:58] or, you know, to have somebody sit there
[1:01:59] and listen to the recording for however
[1:02:01] long it takes to manually type it out.
[1:02:05] Um why are we flip-flopping back and
[1:02:07] forth?
[1:02:08] >> Because the context is not there, Greg.
[1:02:10] That's why we're flip-flopping back. I I
[1:02:13] think we need to bring it to us and then
[1:02:16] make a decision how we want it done. But
[1:02:18] it seemed like it would be a good comp
[1:02:20] compromise if we
[1:02:22] um if we do the the recordings that
[1:02:26] anybody could look at or listen to and
[1:02:28] then we have summary minutes which makes
[1:02:30] it easier on the clerk. I I believe
[1:02:33] what's being looked at too is whether or
[1:02:35] not we can have some sort of um the it
[1:02:37] looking at it here for a screen for live
[1:02:40] streaming and making it so that the
[1:02:43] meetings are available to people online
[1:02:45] on a regular basis. Um, right now it's
[1:02:48] on Zoom, right?
[1:02:50] >> It's just Zoom. So, we're working on
[1:02:53] YouTube live and also Yeah. do all new
[1:02:56] microphones that'll be on the next.
[1:02:58] >> So, is this meeting recorded?
[1:03:00] >> Is this meeting being recorded
[1:03:02] >> on Zoom? Yes.
[1:03:03] >> Okay.
[1:03:05] >> Yeah.
[1:03:05] >> Um, I'm going back to the council
[1:03:08] reports again. Um, where are the August
[1:03:11] 10th meetings? We should have had them
[1:03:13] today. That's two weeks passed by now.
[1:03:16] So, that's lack of transparency for the
[1:03:18] public.
[1:03:20] Um, I don't see them attached on here.
[1:03:23] And so, that's my question. Mayor Paul,
[1:03:25] where are they at?
[1:03:28] >> You know, uh, at this point, I I told
[1:03:32] staff, let's [snorts] take care of, you
[1:03:35] know, the items that we already
[1:03:36] discussed tonight. uh they would be
[1:03:39] coming back in the future with
[1:03:42] so they will be coming but they're not here tonight.
[1:03:46] >> And another um item I do have on here um
[1:03:50] after the reorganization
[1:03:53] on July the 20th
[1:03:55] the I brought it back well Mayor Paul
[1:03:59] that day you did say that to put it on
[1:04:01] the agenda for the dos and don'ts for
[1:04:03] council for training. Again, I brought
[1:04:05] it back on July the 27th and it's still
[1:04:08] not on here and I've been asking it at
[1:04:09] every meeting and it's still not as a
[1:04:12] future agenda item.
[1:04:15] >> Okay,
[1:04:16] >> Mayor Boyer, I don't need to
[1:04:18] >> Well, if I could just respond, you know,
[1:04:21] uh I believe that dos and don'ts, we'd
[1:04:23] want to have an attorney
[1:04:25] do that. And right now, we don't have an
[1:04:27] attorney that's going to be here. So, I
[1:04:28] think we need to wait till we have one.
[1:04:30] >> Can we add it on the agenda? Because
[1:04:31] I've been asking to put it on the
[1:04:32] agenda. Yeah, we can put it on the
[1:04:37] dos and don'ts. Okay.
[1:04:42] You got that for future agenda.
[1:04:44] Okay. Yeah.
[1:04:45] >> The reason why I want to bring those
[1:04:47] minutes back is because the context is
[1:04:49] not in there. The residents have a right
[1:04:52] to know exactly why things were done and
[1:04:54] what was said and a lot of that is
[1:04:57] missing. the most important things are
[1:04:59] missing which really makes me concerned
[1:05:04] and that's what I'm asking.
[1:05:06] >> Okay. Okay.
[1:05:08] >> I I heard you and I know there's a
[1:05:10] number of meetings where I know I said
[1:05:12] things too but they're not in there.
[1:05:14] >> They didn't have a chance. But that's
[1:05:16] the thing. You could have changed your
[1:05:17] minutes when it was my turn to to do the
[1:05:20] minutes to make my changes. You guys
[1:05:22] made a motion.
[1:05:24] >> Or no, you know what? That's when you
[1:05:26] guys took a break and then when we came
[1:05:28] back I thought I was going to have a
[1:05:30] chance and then you shut me down and you
[1:05:32] guys made a motion and it was three to
[1:05:35] two. So I was out I didn't even get a
[1:05:36] chance but as gave a little bit of the
[1:05:39] minutes that she wanted corrected. I was
[1:05:41] not given a chance to correct any of the
[1:05:43] minutes
[1:05:44] >> and I had never ever
[1:05:46] asked to correct any of the minutes
[1:05:49] since I've been on this council. And the
[1:05:51] one time I asked to have them corrected,
[1:05:53] I was shut down.
[1:05:57] And those were very important, the
[1:06:00] context. So
[1:06:01] >> we can bring it.
[1:06:03] >> My opinion is we could bring those back,
[1:06:06] >> but it will be with a full not not just
[1:06:10] what one person asked for.
[1:06:12] >> No, there's a recording. I open house
[1:06:14] and I I listen to the whole recording
[1:06:16] and I keep saying that's exactly what I
[1:06:18] was trying to put in there.
[1:06:19] >> Okay. But I wasn't given the
[1:06:20] opportunity. And then because there were
[1:06:23] no minutes to go over, that's not good
[1:06:25] that you do that because it's like, you
[1:06:28] know, we have our jobs and we have our
[1:06:29] families. So what happened on the last
[1:06:31] meeting we're going to have to take
[1:06:33] notes on to bring it to this. No, now
[1:06:35] we're going to have to wait till the
[1:06:36] next meeting. So
[1:06:39] that's not that's not fair to us to do
[1:06:41] that.
[1:06:42] >> Well, at the ne Okay. Well, for the next meeting, there's no problem having
[1:06:47] the minutes for this meeting and the
[1:06:50] last previous one, right?
[1:06:52] >> Not my point.
[1:06:53] >> No, I know. But the earlier ones, too,
[1:06:55] that's part of that whole thing with the
[1:06:58] >> Yeah. reporting and
[1:07:00] >> um so that should be a priority on our
[1:07:02] future agenda items, the reporting of
[1:07:04] the city council meetings. It's still
[1:07:06] there's a TBD on here and it's been a
[1:07:09] TBD. So that should be a workshop, a
[1:07:13] discussion. It should be a priority
[1:07:16] because again
[1:07:17] >> the minutes have been
[1:07:19] >> incorrect items that I said I want them
[1:07:21] on the record have been removed.
[1:07:24] >> So there's lack of transparency. Our
[1:07:26] public deserve that and nothing less.
[1:07:30] >> Okay. Anything else?
[1:07:31] >> No.
[1:07:32] >> Okay.
[1:07:34] uh
[1:07:36] for tonight's meeting. We don't have any
[1:07:39] uh we don't have any close session
[1:07:42] and uh at this point the meeting could
[1:07:45] be adjourned. Thank you everybody for
[1:07:47] coming. Thank you.