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» 1 minute. You ready? Okay.

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Okay, we'll call this meeting to order.
Faribault City Council meeting.

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Time is 6:30. Welcome to everyone in
attendance and those watching. I

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appreciate everyone being here.
It's summer time, so

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Um,
we will begin

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this meeting with an opening prayer by
David Jay and Katie Williams will lead

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us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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» Our Father in heaven, as we assemble
here this evening in this City Council

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meeting, we give thee thanks for the
land we live in and the freedoms that

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allow us to to even meet this way and to
conduct the affairs of our city.

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As we do so, we ask thy blessing upon
us,

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upon our deliberations, and our council,
and our efforts, that all may lend

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itself
to good and positive outcomes,

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and that we may do what we do in harmony
with one another.

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In the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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» Please rise and repeat after me.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Okay, we
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uh well, as we start in this meeting, um
council member uh Tim Shoop has asked

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for just a few
a few seconds to address uh address us.

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So, Tim, I'll turn some time to you.
>> Thank you, Mayor. Uh

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2 weeks ago in our last meeting, I made
a comment with regards to

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the uh data that we have received in our
packet.

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And uh I just feel like I may have um
overstepped my bounds a little bit. I

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didn't mean to be derogatory.
I didn't mean to uh offend anyone, in

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particular the mayor or any of the city
staff. I think you guys do a great job,

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and I just did uh I wanted to apologize
if there was any offense taken.

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And uh I understand that uh a quick
phone call and I could have gotten the

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answers I needed. So,
again, I apologize for any discomfort I

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may have caused anyone.
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» Uh Tim, thank you. I
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not need to say anything. No offense was
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Um just trying to do our jobs and make
sure we have the right information, but

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uh thanks, Tim. Appreciate your
your your uh

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your comments there, and just know we
love you. Appreciate all you do.

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Um
on the agenda now is public comments.

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We'll now open the meeting for public
comments at this time. If there's any in

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the
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forward.
Comments? Public comments from anybody?

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Okay.
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» See none, we'll move forward on the
agenda to hear report hear a report from

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the planning commission from
uh Lou Best.

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» We held no regular planning commission
meeting. We had devoted our time to

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uh a joint work session as most of you
are aware with the city council.

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In my view, I thought it was a very
productive work session in which we were

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discussing the L Advantage development.
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new proposal was presented to us uh that
added some additional insight from what

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we've seen in the past. It included an
elimination of townhouses

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and adding more patio homes.
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386.
They also added a 2-acre city park

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nestled right in the middle of where the
the town home or patio homes will be.

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Uh we discussed several items. We
discussed traffic called calming

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measures and there was general good
consensus that a four-way stop on 1300

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North would be very appropriate. It
would help a great deal to to control

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the traffic.
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area for
the naturescape playground area just off

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1025 North. Seemed to be good agreement
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Uh we wanted to make sure that the
configuration of the lots under the

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power line conformed with all
requirements by uh Rocky Mountain Power.

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Um we also discussed setback
requirements for lots of various sizes.

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And I think we can come up with a plan
where we can accommodate the smaller

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high-density lots as well as retain
setbacks are very similar to what we

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have right now in R-115.
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of the discussion focused on traffic
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and what that would pop problem that

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would occur if we did not have a traffic
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The options ranged from everything from
don't allow the development until a

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traffic light is installed to
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development to occur and hope and pray
that a traffic light will be installed.

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And there were some intermediate
suggestions as well. Uh

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the mayor may comment on that, but we
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additional dialogue with UDot to see if
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an arrangement or some
hint as to what we could anticipate in

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the future so that we can proceed with
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» Yes.
>> Um can we require to have them perform a

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traffic circulation study so we have an
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be?
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better memory than me talk comment on
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but go ahead.
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they did say they would approach UDot
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uh and consider
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density of this development

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also in concert with Legends
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that same
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roadway
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he was going to make some
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and see at least initially you know put
a toe in the water and see what things

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feel like. There wasn't an exact
commitment to

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uh at this point traffic study because
there isn't any traffic.

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» But there
but there's not and then they can model

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and estimate what that traffic would
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» So, I'm not sure how far he was going
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where we left it is that we'll see if
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believe we discussed the possibility of
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» Correct.
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us should do the traffic study. It
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that to us.
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» And we can't I don't think in good faith
create a traffic problem from a

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development and then expect UDot to
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» And I think there was general consensus
that UDot is not going to be necessarily

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inclined to do that until they see some
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» Maybe I can mention the
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comments that were made by legal. Liam
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Uh becomes very hard to

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umbrella or prevent a developer from
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on
what UDot may or may not agree to do

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with their road. Even though we as a
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we feel like the developments of Legends
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to feed into that.
Uh at the end of the day, UDot controls

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that
no matter what the developer requests or

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ask. And the developer said in that
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if this development is conditioned on
UDot's approval of a light at that

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intersection, they can't do that because
their financing will never approve it.

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» Well, that's why I think we I think that
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study
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it in the development agreement because
then right now we're just dealing in

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abstracts. We don't know. We don't know
where they're where it's going to push

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traffic to.
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» And we don't know maybe it won't be an
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» Well, you got a fire station right
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issue.
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if we could have a traffic study, that
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» I would have to say this probably
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» It did.
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» And and they are getting ready to submit
the development agreement to come

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forward into the planning commission.
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that maybe we ask for.
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sorry.
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in this range of possibilities
the developer wasn't excited about this

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one was that in the development
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development
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that development to occur before a
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» So it becomes phase contained.
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I think his response was that that won't
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but but we we could put that language,
protective language, in our development

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agreement if we choose.
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the attitude I received
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» myself from the developer was that he
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as much as he could
to encourage UDOT and

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um in obtaining proper
traffic flow and lights and whatever the

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case may be.
Um he wasn't objective to go on after

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that.
Uh he just was unsure about his

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financing if it became an ultimatum.
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» I think I think there's some good
cooperation there.

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» No, and I agree with you. I I do think
we need to scrutinize very seriously the

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language in the development agreement
relative to this, though.

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Because that's our protection. I would
hate to see us open

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a monster Pandora's box traffic issue.
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you know what to take back to the
planning commission regarding this.

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All right. You know what
>> We're all going to scrutinize that

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development agreement.
>> All right. You're going to see it first.

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» I would echo what Tim said though, this
this developer is for everyone that's

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wondering where this is at. This is the
Slater property. It's the one that is

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just to the south
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Butts up next to the sewer plant in
Marion Slaterville. But this developer

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has been working with us what Lou for
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» Seems like forever.
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» And I will have to say he's been very
congenial, very cooperative.

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He's He's got a think about his bottom
line. That's his area. We've got to

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think about Far West City.
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» And it maybe it should be noted, I mean
all the requests that the work through

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the working sessions we've had, he's
gone from 528

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units to now 386.
Like Lou mentioned, he's removed all the

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town homes. I mean he's he's really done
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to see us request them to provide us
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» And include that as part of our
our requirement.

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» I like that. Yeah, it makes a lot of
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» That's good.
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about ground color options in the
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also the the installation of that that
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I'll have to say my general observation
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it was a very good productive meeting.
And I think that we reached general

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consensus on almost every issue we
could. We couldn't reach general

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consensus on the issue with the traffic
light because that's beyond our control

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right now.

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» Yeah.
>> Great summary Lou. Thank you.

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» I do have one thing for the planning
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This came from Kevin Hall, sewer
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In our development agreement, are we
going to put in

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uh
disclosure about the potential for

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noxious smells coming from the sewer
plant?

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And before warn, do a due diligence. So,
I just want to put that back into

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people's minds cuz I took a phone call
from Kevin this week.

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» And and I think the developer was open
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» Okay.
>> Yeah. But to your point though, let's

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put that language in the development
agreement.

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» Correct.
>> he's he's said all along that he'll do

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that. Let's make sure it's stated in the
development agreement.

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» And Kevin just has that concern.
>> Yeah.

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» Saves us from complaints, resident
complaints down the road.

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» Or reduce the level.
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» Any questions with that? Good for you?
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» Thank you, Lou. Appreciate it.

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» Um okay.

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We are now Where are we? Consider
Consider approval of minutes dated June

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4th, 2026.
Um any questions with those?

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» I just let Brianna know I was really I
was reading through those and I really

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appreciated her level of detail.
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well.
Maybe we'll make a note and let her know

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that.
>> Send her an email but if everybody else

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is connected to that, it's really nice.

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» Thanks for pointing that out, Katie.
>> I'll move to approve minutes dated June

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4th, 2026.
>> I'll second.

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» Okay, motion by Jason and a second by
Katie. All in favor, say I.

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» I.
>> Okay, motion carries there.

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I will now entertain a motion to approve
the bills dated June 3rd, 2026.

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» 17th.
>> Oh, did I mess that up?

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June's
Yes, June 17th.

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» I did have a question
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Uh
It was Where did it go?

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» Let me get my bills. I had them all
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» It was
S W A V L L C.

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» Dang it, I left it on my desk.
>> Um

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This one right here, city office and rec
center 895.

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» Um

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When that That came up, Angie, do you
remember? I think that was something to

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do with the cleaning. They did something
to

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We can follow up on that. I That That's
not the paint one, right?

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» No, no, that's Brush Brothers.
>> Yeah, that's the where they repainted.

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So, I'm not sure what that is.

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Do we want to
We can call that out and ask them.

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» Yeah, I'm sure it's
I mean, I'm not concerned about it. I

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just just I don't have a lot to go on by
the description.

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» I don't have my notes here, either.

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Left the bills on my desk.

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You want me to go grab them? You want me
to go get them?

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You want to go grab them? That It should
be right on my desk.

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Want to come back to that item?
>> Yeah, we can come back to it.

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» Let's come back to the bills.
Um let's move forward so we're not

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holding up the meeting.
Consideration of a temporary business

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license from Blue Dragon Fireworks.
Um Jessica Lindhorf, is Jessica here?

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You Are you Are you with them?
Read through your temporary business

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license for a fireworks stand.
Right?

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» Yeah, even more so it's one of your
local citizens that has a business that

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sells the the sheds and he just called
up and said, "Hey, if I supply the shed

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and the the manpower and everything,
would you supply me the fireworks?" So,

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it's that but it's a little bit more cuz
some of your own people asked him to to

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do it, so.
Yeah, Olympus Fireworks was our original

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name. Blue Dragon Fireworks is the
current name. You might know Olympus, I

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don't know. We've been around for a
while.

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» Have you been I'm just curious. Is there
Have you heard of any state restrictions

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or anything coming out? No?
>> I think I can kind of talk to that.

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» If you can.
Go ahead.

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» I attended the the Weber County
Emergency Manager's meeting last night

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and I asked that question specifically,
what about fireworks stands and

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fireworks sales? They said there will be
no restrictions on sales. It's up to the

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individuals that purchase to be prudent
individuals. So, there's nothing that's

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going to hinder your license, nothing
that the

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the governor has proclaimed thus far.
>> Yeah, I think with the 250-year birthday

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of America, I think everybody's maybe a
little bit more patience. I'm hoping.

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Uh I talked to Layton City and um
I think he attended the same meeting and

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he said that you know, we're just
cautious of the foothills and they have

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restrictions on the foothills and areas
and I I totally agree with that. So, I'm

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» Well, they they expressed the caution
across our entire region but Chief

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Cooper said there will be no
restrictions for sale.

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» Perfect.
>> Excellent.

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» Now, I appreciate you getting your ducks
in a row and

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» Yeah, it's
>> coming in for the temporary license.

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» It was a little I mean, we usually do
this sooner but that request by him came

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like very last minute, so I said I will
do whatever I can and I appreciate you

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as a council letting us come tonight and
have this meeting, so thank you.

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» I move we approve the business license
for Blue Dragon Fireworks.

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» I'll second.
>> Okay, motion by Jason, second by who was

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the second?
>> I second it.

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» Second by Tim. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Okay.
>> I had a um question unrelated to your

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fireworks stand, but I saw they were
setting up one on the corner where

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Country Corner used to be.
>> Mhm.

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» Where they had the
the guy with the figurines came in and

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had the Have they reached out for a
temporary business license?

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» I We have not, no.
>> It's on me.

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» It's on me. We go shut them down?
>> I don't know. What do we do? I don't

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know what the process is.
>> Being on that side sometimes, obviously,

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I would love it as competition, but no,
I mean anything you do to be lenient to

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it or it's it's crazy time of year and
we all are losing our minds.

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» It's been on that corner every year, I
think.

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» Yeah. I actually had that corner
originally and then I sold my business

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to somebody local and they have been
running it for years, but I I was the

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original person on that corner. And
maybe one day I'll be back. We'll see.

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So.
Anything else?

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» Nope, thank you.
>> Anytime. Thank you.

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» Thanks for being in our city to do that.

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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you for Thanks for being here.

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» Don't burn us down.

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» Um well, since that, maybe I'll take a
second.

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We had a neighbor over a resident on Far
West Drive

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that's is a little concerned with
um potential

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fireworks being shot off by residents
in that area that could potentially

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impact
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catch hay on fire.
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I
I mean, I don't

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There's nothing for I mean, short of the
city I mean, the city really doesn't

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have the ability to come in and shut
that down legally.

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So,
I just sympathized with the resident and

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said, "I know, you know, well, we can
ask the we can ask the sheriff to patrol

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to make sure no illegal fireworks are
being shot off, but then I looked at the

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ordinance for what it legal is now in
Utah." And they're shooting 150 ft in

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the air.
So, I don't know. Do Do we do anything

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about Do we say anything? Is there
anything to do there?

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» I think the only thing that
>> Use

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the neighborhood as the enforcement and
just use

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common sense. Tell them just be careful.
>> Be careful. Be attentive.

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» Be attentive if something sparks up.
>> And what was kind of recommended was

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have hoses and/or sprinklers available
if you're going to set them off so you

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can put them out if something happens or
at least minimize the burn until the

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fire department can arrive, but do not
fight fire.

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» But, we don't have any permission to go
in and tell neighbors they can't light

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off fireworks.
>> Fire The fire department doesn't either.

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» Nor would
>> Not at this point.

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» think we would want to do that.
>> No.

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» Yeah, I'm looking at her. I don't think
we really have

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um any regulations or code related to
fireworks either just that they can't

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discharge them in a park.
So,

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I mean, as long I I I think the only
thing that would be enforceable would be

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the the quiet, you know, the
noise ordinance if they're doing them at

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after hours.
>> That would be all, right? Okay.

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» That wouldn't be
>> That's kind of what I figured.

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» That wouldn't be a bad thing to remind
people of cuz I think that gets

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especially as it gets later in the
evening.

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» Yeah.
>> Uh but we also have those fire buckets

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that were provided for us, which
>> Hey, good time to bring that up.

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» That's going to be a slightly different
problem.

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» Talk in louder and tell everybody about
the buckets.

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Can can you hear me now?
We have the free buckets that were

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provided was it by the fire department?
They brought in it's a 5-gallon bucket.

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If nothing else, it's a free 5-gallon
bucket. But the idea is it's a place to

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put your fireworks.
You fill it with water, put your used

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fireworks in there to to cool them down
and drench them. So should help reduce

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at least ground fire.
>> They don't go in trash cans.

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» But
But there's those for free and then also

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just you know, remember be respectful.
>> Good good reminder.

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Let's go back up to the bills because I
don't or I'm going to forget that. So on

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my sheet
the you're talking about Swab LLC for

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895.
This is the monthly cost for our

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janitors that provide our twice weekly
cleaning to the rec center and city

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hall.
>> Great. Thank you so for doing that.

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» Yeah.
>> I'll make a motion that we pay the

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bills.
>> I'll second the motion.

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» Okay, motion by Katie a second by Bob.
All All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Any opposed?

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Okay, bills have been approved.
Next item there consideration of public

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works facility
phase three that's currently ongoing.

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You've probably noticed.
This is a change order. So

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just so everyone
watching and and everyone that's here

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knows public
our public works building contract a

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change order came in
due to the need to install and upgrade a

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new primary
power system that requires a 600 amp

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service on site. This
This change order included the

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enclosure, the installation and the
connection. We asked for two bids just

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to ensure that we were in line. This was
the cheaper of the two.

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This is regarding the email that was
sent out about a month ago to the

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council.
Just so we didn't have to slow down any

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work, we asked for approval to move
forward.

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It was approved unanimously. So this is
just ratifying that approval.

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For the record, the amount of the change
order was 28,500

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dollars with the potential of
10 to 15,000 from Rocky Mountain Power

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once they connect.
I get that right, Cody?

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Okay. Any questions?
>> No.

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I'll motion that
we ratify and approve the public works

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facility phase three change order.
>> I'll second the motion.

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» Okay, a motion by Bob and a second by
Dave. All in favor say I.

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Any opposed?
Okay. Thank you.

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay.

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Now, this is where Cody is earning his
paycheck this month.

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We
will now discuss adjustments to the 2025

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26 budget.
Concerning the adjustments for the new

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fiscal year, and Cody will come up and
explain that to us. Thanks, Cody, for

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being here.
>> Oh yeah, you bet. So just as you look at

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the agendas, we'll do a presentation and
discussion, then you'll hold the public

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hearing, and then you'll make a motion
on these next several items.

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So this one is page five through seven
of the packet, and it's just some

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cleanup journal entries that we cleanup
budget adjustments that we needed to

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make. So you can see we're increasing
the budget for sales tax and grants.

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Some of that grants is we're just coding
some of that storm water stuff currently

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into
the street, and so we'll have to

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reconcile that at the end of the year,
but I just want to make sure we had a

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little bit of a budget there in case it
needed to stay there. And then we had

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never formally adopted the
transportation utility fee

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Um fund budget. So it's adopting that
budget. And then if you remember when we

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purchased the plow truck, some of those
implements rolled over to this fiscal

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year rather than being bought in last
fiscal year. And so it's just an a

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$100,000 adjustment for that. So it's
just a few clean-up little areas.

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I'm happy to answer any questions you
may have.

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» Okay. Thank you, Cody. We'll now move to
enter into a public hearing

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uh to discuss these adjustments to the
budget. Any We need a motion.

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» I move we move I move we enter a public
hearing to discuss adjustments to the

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2025-2026 budget.
>> Okay. Motion by Katie and a second by

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Jason. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Any opposed?
Motion carries. We're now enter into a

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public hearing. So if you'd like to
provide any comments regarding these

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adjustments to our current 25-26
uh budget year budget,

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feel free to come up
entertain those.

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Okay. Seeing no comments,
um I will entertain a motion now to

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close the public hearing.
>> I move we close the public hearing.

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» Second.
>> Okay. Motion by Jason and a second by

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David. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Okay.
Public hearing is now closed for that.

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Um I will now entertain a motion to
approve the adjustments to the 2025-2026

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budget.
>> So moved.

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» I'll second.
>> Motion by Tim and a second by Katie to

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approve. All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» Any opposed?
>> Do we need a roll call for that button?

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» Uh we probably should, huh, on money.
Okay. Roll call, Bob.

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» I.
>> Dave.

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» I.
>> Katie.

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» I.
>> Jason.

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» I.
>> And Tim.

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» I.
>> Okay. Motion passes.

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Approval Next item there is
consideration to approve an ordinance

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enacting the compensation increases for
specific city officers.

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Cody is here to explain the purpose of
this and why.

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» Okay, thank you council and thank you
mayor. So, this is page

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8 through 12 of the packet. So, if you
remember, I believe it was last year, it

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might have been 2 years ago, there was a
new state law that we have to present

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the path the schedule that's on page 11
for any

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of the
municipal officers compensation

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increases. So, that's the large part of
this. The other part of it we're

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approving the pay scale and if you look
at the pay scale which is on page 12 of

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the packet, the bottom two sections,
those are the new positions

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that mayor wanted created.
And so, those are the new positions that

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we're proposing with the budget and the
corresponding

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increases will take place there. And
then one other thing in the ordinance

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if you remember that includes like the
officers and things. We've also included

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there as part of the
>> [clears throat]

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» compensation policy of the city, it
gives you the option as the mayor and

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council to take the average increase as
well. And if you remember we talked

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00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:06,280
about that with the tentative budget,
the average increase was that 5.77%.

437
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:10,920
So, that's included in there as well.
So, if you guys decided not to do that,

438
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,800
then William's not here but I assume
we'd just need to

439
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:19,040
change approve the ordinance with the
change that we just those compensation

440
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:23,920
amounts remain the same that are in part
two paragraph B.

441
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,320
» I have some questions. So, and this is
just kind of me being

442
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:32,880
uh
knowing that I'm not always on this. As

443
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:36,080
a taxpayer, I would love to have more
say

444
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:40,600
when when my elected officials are
giving themselves raises basically.

445
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Um is there any kind of provision I
realize we're going off a very

446
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:49,400
reasonable schedule and increase and I I
I get the accounting side of it, but

447
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:54,000
also the taxpayer side of it is like
I want I want to be able to have a say

448
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:56,360
as to when when my elected officials get
a pay increase.

449
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,240
Um
is is there anything with the state

450
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,600
ordinance that takes in takes that into
account?

451
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,200
» No.
Um and so it's just city policy that we

452
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,120
give you guys the option to take it.
They haven't taken it as far as I

453
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,160
remember since I've worked here. So it's
been pretty stagnant for like the last

454
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,120
six or seven years.
>> Okay.

455
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,040
» Um so it's really up to you guys. You
know, like there's reasons to do it,

456
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:24,160
there's reasons not to do it. Some
people argue the higher it is that you

457
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:28,360
attract you know, like more people, more
capable people. I don't know that that's

458
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,000
always true. Um but it's really up to
you guys.

459
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,760
» time that came up was 2016-2017,
somewhere right in there.

460
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720
» Yeah.
>> Uh

461
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,200
and that was a recommendation from the
planning commission at that time.

462
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,761
Uh
And there was a

463
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,840
» So while he's busy
>> [clears throat]

464
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:51,640
» is there a provision that if we approve
it um

465
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:57,160
it can be enforced or
in included increased but how do we

466
00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,760
reject it personally?
>> I don't know that you really can reject

467
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,680
it personally. I don't know
>> in this for any money. I'm certainly not

468
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,760
getting
>> I think if you want to do that, then you

469
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:10,000
should probably just reject it.
>> And I would I want to be clear on this.

470
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:15,040
If you look at the raise amount,
>> 5.7%. It's the average It's the average

471
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,320
» in
>> of of the increases of all of our city

472
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,560
of
employees. That's how we come about that

473
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:26,800
that average. So it's a very minimal
amount. Um

474
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:32,520
it's I think to just so everyone knows,
this this also includes the raises to

475
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:38,320
all of our contracted employees as well,
that same ordinance for the attorneys,

476
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,360
uh the engineers, etc.
>> I don't think it does the engineers.

477
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,440
» It does It is in there or not. So, I
read through it.

478
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:49,520
» Okay. Well, that's kind of my point is I
don't want to hinder anybody else,

479
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:53,760
» But But you we can restrict ours from
there. We just have to be very clear.

480
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,480
» I I don't want to affect yours. I just
don't want I don't want any

481
00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:03,440
» Well, I don't need it. It's It's like I
said, it's $57 It's It's 57 It's $50 $57

482
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:07,920
to me. And I think it's $20 to the
council. We're not asking for this,

483
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,800
Jason, because we think we want that
raise.

484
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,160
» No, I I get that. I I just again, it's
more for me it's more about the

485
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,400
principle of
>> Yeah.

486
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,640
» saying
>> I agree with that principle.

487
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:23,280
» I I will argue that
again, I don't I'm indifferent. I don't

488
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:27,840
need it. I don't care if we get it.
But I do see

489
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,520
the reason why Cody has built it in
>> Mhm.

490
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,800
» because if we continue to kick it away
and never take it,

491
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:41,640
at some point down the road,
there will be a point in time where the

492
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:45,280
council and mayor will need to adjust
their salaries. And at that point, it's

493
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,320
a lot harder conversation cuz you've
never been taking this.

494
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,080
» Well, it's a larger amount. You'll get
behind

495
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:54,280
» No, I I'm I'm comfortable moving forward
tonight with with this. I just I think

496
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,640
maybe we should have some further
discussion about, uh, finding a way to

497
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:04,360
put a little bit more, uh,
control in the hands of the voters.

498
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:08,879
Um, for making sure that it doesn't get
out of hand or but some sort of

499
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:12,840
limitation to it. Again,
>> Are you suggesting limitations on all of

500
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,840
our contracted employees as well?
>> No, for just

501
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,200
» Just elected officials.
>> Yeah.

502
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,720
» So, that's fine. We can And we can
strike the elected officials.

503
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:26,520
» I I don't think we need to hear anything
tonight. I'm saying

504
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,159
Hold on. Find a good wording for it.
>> I want to find the actual ordinance cuz

505
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,280
I
>> It's on page eight and nine. And it's

506
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:37,960
not that It's not the engineers, it's
just the attorneys. It's just the civil

507
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:44,120
attorney, the prosecuting attorney. The
judge is required by state law. And then

508
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:48,360
um the recorder is included in there cuz
they're an officer, but it's based upon

509
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,440
pay scale. And then mine's the same as
the judge. So.

510
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:54,440
» So up in that
>> And you can do whatever you want on

511
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:58,800
yours. That's just how the city's policy
is written. Um some cities I think Ogden

512
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:03,600
has it set up. I can't remember the
percentage. I want to say it's 4%. They

513
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:08,040
just have a percentage that it is every
year. And like it's capped kind of like

514
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:11,760
you're saying, Council Anderson, that
like it doesn't exceed that amount.

515
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,640
» So
Cody, can I just make a recommendation?

516
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,440
» Yep.
>> Hey, cuz I think it's clear no one up

517
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:21,840
here has asked for this.
>> Correct.

518
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:26,000
» Mayor, I haven't asked for it. Council
members haven't asked for this.

519
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:31,400
I I don't want this to become some big
story that we're asking for a 5% raise.

520
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:37,880
It's just built into the ordinance as
it's written. So if we want to strike

521
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:45,040
it, I believe we probably could
remove or approve the ordinance

522
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:51,000
approve the ordinance
with the exclusion of the

523
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:54,600
compensated adjustments to the elected
officials. Could we not?

524
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:59,040
» I think so. Or just leave those amounts
as they are rather than the proposed

525
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,840
increases that are stated.
>> Yeah. And

526
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,800
» However you want to do it.
>> And I I will support whatever the

527
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,960
council wants to do. I I think
just wanted to make it clear no one up

528
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:12,480
here has asked for that.
>> Right. And I wasn't trying to suggest

529
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:16,520
that cuz again, 5% on the
very volunteer based amount that we're

530
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:20,720
getting for this is not a a substantial
amount. Correct. For me it's really more

531
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:26,760
about the principle of elected officials
giving themselves raises. That's it.

532
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:30,720
» I personally think it's
it's a fair way of doing it based on

533
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,760
that percentage
and the average with the with all of the

534
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,680
other
uh city individuals getting that

535
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:44,100
rather than for us to arbitrarily say,
"Oh, we need a $50 a month or $100 a

536
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,880
month raise."
>> [clears throat]

537
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,640
» If we're going to do it at all, I think
it

538
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,520
the way it's based here in the ordinance
is probably the

539
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:57,040
the most fair way to do it.
>> Well, that way there's never

540
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,720
it's never followed up with a request
from somebody here.

541
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,040
» Right.
>> In other words, it negates any of that

542
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:06,600
appearance of being self-serving.
>> Self-serving.

543
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:10,960
» It's just the way the structure of the
ordinance is. It happens when it happens

544
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:16,360
and
uh doesn't kick up a lot of dust.

545
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:20,520
» For sure. The other nice thing about um
talking to taking it, too, is then like

546
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,160
it's kind of like everything else we're
trying to do in the city with the

547
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,760
utility fees and stuff. We're just
trying to incrementally increase them.

548
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:32,400
So, we avoid the point that it goes 20
years and then it's like all of a sudden

549
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:34,400
we've got to do uh a larger increase.
>> And I think that's why it's there,

550
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,920
right?
>> Right.

551
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,240
» That's why it's in the ordinance.
>> Right.

552
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,080
» It's just kind of trying to hold the
line a little bit.

553
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,160
So, it's totally up to you. Do you have
any other questions for me?

554
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:49,600
» No, thank you, Cody.
>> I think our next item is to open it up

555
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:55,000
to a public hearing. Maybe the public
has some

556
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:59,600
uh input for us on this issue.
>> I'll make a motion that we open the

557
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:06,600
public hearing uh related to
the ordinance um enacting compensation

558
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,600
increases for uh specific city officers.
>> I'll second the motion.

559
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,560
» And and city officials.
>> Oh, and city officials.

560
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,800
» Right.
>> Um

561
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,680
» I think yeah. A motion by Katie, second
by Bob. All in favor say I.

562
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,600
» I.
>> I.

563
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:28,920
» Okay. We're now on a public hearing.
Does anyone want to approach

564
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,920
and comment?

565
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,240
No?
No comment? Okay.

566
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,040
Uh
no comment. We will have a motion to

567
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:42,080
close the public hearing.
>> I move we close public hearing.

568
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:45,080
» Okay, motion to close by Jason.
>> Second.

569
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:48,680
» Second by Tim. All in favor say I.
>> I.

570
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:53,880
» Okay, public hearing is now closed.
We'll now consider approval of ordinance

571
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:59,000
2026-11
enacting compensation increases for

572
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:03,520
specific city officers. Katie was right,
that's how it is read. Um do we want to

573
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,520
approve this,
modify it?

574
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,720
I don't think we want to reject it or
deny it cuz that would impact the city

575
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:16,280
uh
city employees.

576
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,800
» Legally we have to adopt it if you want
the city employees to have an increase

577
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:24,440
and the judge.
>> Okay, so Cody says legally we have to

578
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:28,920
adopt it if we intend for the city for
the city employees and the judge

579
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:33,360
and the attorneys
to receive their uh compensation

580
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:37,080
increase.
>> So, I'm willing to bring my concerns to

581
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,920
a later
point uh

582
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:45,120
and see about making a more thoughtful
change behind my concern.

583
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:50,280
So, we don't keep uh
people who really matter

584
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:53,560
for the this raise getting it. So, I I'm
willing to table those concerns for

585
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,640
being dealt with later.
>> And maybe in the future we modify what

586
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:00,880
the ordinance is for elected officials.
>> Are we on a time constraint with this

587
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,680
regarding next year's budget, Cody?
>> Yes.

588
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,720
» Uh we needed to approve it tonight. The
other thing you could do, and I don't

589
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:10,840
know if you necessarily want to do this
tonight, you could cap that, but like

590
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:17,440
let's say the average increase was 10%
or something like that, that it never

591
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:19,240
went over 5% or whatever the case may
be.

592
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,840
» I'm glad you said that cuz I think I
looked at last year's average and it was

593
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,680
like 7.9%.
>> Yeah.

594
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:29,200
» So, it does fluctuate.
>> So, and if you remember that pay scale

595
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,760
comes from TechNet, we're surveying
those positions. That's where the raises

596
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:36,480
is coming from is the average of the
employees. So, if you're worried about

597
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,400
that, that might be the best way to
approach it is that we

598
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,960
» And we could
>> Could we cap

599
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,840
» in tonight?
>> I would assume that we could do that.

600
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:48,480
» Glenn said he gave instruction if
anything's changed, just modify it.

601
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,080
But, I think he he said the same thing.
We do have to make a decision on it

602
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,760
tonight.
>> Yep.

603
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:56,480
» Can I ask you though? Can you explain
just briefly what TechNet is so everyone

604
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:01,200
understands?
>> So, TechNet is basically like a database

605
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:04,400
provider for all the local governments
in the state of Utah if they want to

606
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:09,120
provide if they want to subscribe. So,
as part of it, we pay a fee to be part

607
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:13,560
of TechNet and then we have to share our
data with them just like we pull the

608
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:18,120
data. So, then any local government that
participates, they can upload there.

609
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,880
It's based upon job description. So,
ideally we're matching job descriptions

610
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,000
and then with that job description then
we put what we're paying and everybody

611
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:30,200
else puts what they're paying and then
we're able to go in there and survey a

612
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:34,240
position and see what other people are
paying so that we're consistent with

613
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,320
like what a recorder is getting
throughout the state.

614
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,760
» Are you happy with the way it's written
right now?

615
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,240
» I think it's great.
>> I I do too, but I I think Jason makes a

616
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:46,440
good point. Could we add verbage that
caps

617
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:51,640
that would cap
any compens- any adjusted increase for

618
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,800
elected officials at a certain percent
that we felt

619
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,040
» I'm sure we can. I just don't know if
this is the best place to do that or if

620
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:02,080
that's a question for me.
>> I have a question for you.

621
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,560
» to discuss that and change it later.
>> I think that's what too.

622
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,880
» I'll try to amend it tonight.
>> session would be good.

623
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480
» Approve it now and then adjust the
ordinance.

624
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,720
» I like that. Yes.
>> Cuz again, 5% tonight It not like we're

625
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,640
going
on vacations and stuff

626
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,680
» No.
>> All right.

627
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,680
» But if we can take care of that in a
work session [clears throat] soon, I

628
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,880
think that would be sufficient.
>> Can we Is that okay?

629
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,520
» That's perfect.
>> And then we're trying to make sure

630
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:30,120
Liam's there just so we
>> And then we're still um

631
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:33,219
fulfilling our obligation per state law.
>> Yep.

632
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,600
» It's going to be the hardest earned $20
>> [laughter]

633
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:39,000
» All right. Katie's excited.
>> So I've been the one to make all the

634
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,760
noise here.
I'm going to move that we approve

635
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,560
ordinance number 2026-11 enacting
compensation increases for specific city

636
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,240
officers.
>> As it is written.

637
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,160
» As it is written.
>> I'll second.

638
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:54,960
» Motion Motion by Jason and a second by
Tim to approve any

639
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,840
» Roll call it.
>> Yes, it does say roll call here for me.

640
00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:02,000
I put that note in there. Roll call uh
Tim.

641
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,400
» Aye.
>> Jason.

642
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,280
» Aye.
>> Katie.

643
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,440
» Aye.
>> David.

644
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,760
» Aye.
>> And Bob.

645
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:13,920
» Aye.
>> Okay. Motion carries.

646
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:19,120
Uh ordinance number 2026-11
is approved.

647
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:25,720
Okay. Consideration of approval of the
final 2026-2027

648
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:29,640
budget is our next item and Cody will
explain that.

649
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:32,920
» Okay. Thank you. Um so once again, this
is basically the essentially the same

650
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:37,040
budget that we went over in the work
session in the tentative budget. The

651
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:42,120
only thing we really changed is adjusted
it for the property tax rates that we

652
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:46,960
just got last week. Um so it's included
in the packet and on pages 31 through

653
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:51,280
13 through 31. On page 31 shows the
adjustment that I made for the um

654
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:55,200
property tax. If you remember, we always
estimate a little high

655
00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:00,160
um and then adjust that down and adjust
that out with sales tax. So it's largely

656
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:03,440
what we talked about. As always, we made
several changes this year if you

657
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,920
remember and set up new departments,
reallocated things. So I would

658
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,840
anticipate that we probably will have a
few more budget amendments this year

659
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:14,960
than we usually do just trying to
massage that and get everything in just

660
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:19,360
the right place. But, I'm happy to
answer any questions you may have.

661
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:26,840
» I I just have a comment.
Um mainly cuz I'm

662
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,840
extremely proud of everyone's efforts

663
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,880
in the city.
Um

664
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:36,920
and the
the big push in the budget. We budgeted

665
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:41,480
20,000
in the come in from donations

666
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:46,480
for Freedom Festival,
which I was told is more than 10,000

667
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:54,280
more than we've ever brought in.
Um I will report as of tonight, we've

668
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:57,880
received over $24,000 in donations from
local businesses and interested

669
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:01,720
residents.
>> That's amazing.

670
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:07,040
» Um and that all and I that is and
Angie's here. That's Lindsey's efforts.

671
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:10,800
That's city staff. Um we've all made a
big push to reach out to those that we

672
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:16,560
know in the business community. So, I
publicly wanted to mention that that um

673
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:21,600
that goes a a really long way especially
this year where the state has asked

674
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:26,280
all of the cities to really make an
effort to celebrate America's 250th

675
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:30,040
birthday, which we're doing.
Have a long list of items there. So, I

676
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,760
just wanted to congratulate everyone on
that effort.

677
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:40,320
Any comments or questions about the
budget?

678
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:44,640
Okay. We do need to
open for public hearing.

679
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:50,000
» I move we open public hearing for
considering our uh

680
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:53,280
to receive and consider public comments.
>> I'll second.

681
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:56,720
» Okay. Motion by Jason and a second by
Katie. All in favor say I.

682
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:02,520
» I.
>> Okay. Motion carries. We're now in a

683
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:06,960
public hearing to discuss the 2026-27
um

684
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
fiscal year budget.

685
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,240
Any comments?
Anyone would like to come up and

686
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:16,760
comment?
No? Okay, seeing no comments,

687
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,960
um I will entertain a motion to close
the public hearing.

688
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,400
» So moved.
>> Jason has moved to close.

689
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,440
» Second.
>> Seconded by

690
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,200
Was that Tim?
Okay, all in favor say aye.

691
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,360
» Aye.
>> Okay, motion The public hearing is now

692
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:35,280
closed.
Um I will entertain a motion to approve

693
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:40,000
the final budget. Is there any final
comments or questions?

694
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:44,760
» Um I just I wanted to make sure we were
still working on that policy for the um

695
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,680
employee
awards.

696
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,040
» Yes.
>> As

697
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:55,320
» Well, it's in it's included in the
budget. Um

698
00:46:51,640 --> 00:47:00,600
just so everyone knows, I I awarded one
last month out of my own pocket because

699
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:04,400
we didn't have budget money to use it.
But there is I think it's 10,000 How

700
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,200
much did we budget? 10
>> 10,000

701
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:12,800
» $10,000. What that is is for a mayor's
award, um

702
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:18,520
which is decided not just by me. I mean,
city city staff, city council.

703
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,760
Anyone observing someone going above and
beyond. So, it gives us an ability to

704
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,600
reward
extra efforts. And I can tell you we'll

705
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,280
be rewarding several of these after the
4th of July because there's been an

706
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:37,600
enormous amount of effort after hours by
the staff to put all this stuff on.

707
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:41,680
Um I think the only worry there from
maybe you, Katie, and someone on the

708
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:46,480
council, which was valid, um and it
helps protect It probably does help

709
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:50,400
protect that. What limitations do we put
on that 10,000 so that the mayor doesn't

710
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,600
have
maybe universal power or authority to do

711
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:59,120
whatever they wanted to do.
Um and I'm happy with I'm not looking to

712
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,400
anything like that. I just wanted to We
wanted to create a program where we

713
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,280
could reward behavior.
>> No, and I think it's a great I I think

714
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:10,160
it's a great idea and it's a really
inconsequential sum when you come to

715
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:16,000
think of it, but I would I think Liam
had talked about in our work session

716
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:22,120
developing just a policy for around that
with some like protections and I just

717
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:26,680
wanted to just keep that in make sure
that's still moving forward.

718
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,920
» Is there anything we want to adjust on
that right now before we approve the

719
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,680
budget?
>> I think we're okay. I think we can work

720
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,120
on a policy.
Um and

721
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:39,040
» Could we insert that into our policy and
procedures and make it in and make it a

722
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,840
part of that?
>> I think so or a personnel policy.

723
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:44,040
» Oh, yeah.
>> Our personnel policy is probably where

724
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,160
it fits better.
>> where Liam suggested.

725
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,720
» And that's a that's easy to insert and
we'd bring it up on a motion to approve

726
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:50,560
the
>> Yep.

727
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,760
» And we
>> What we could do is have like some cap

728
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:59,680
in there so an individual award can't
exceed a certain amount and like if you

729
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:02,880
want some approval and documentation
that goes with it. We need to make sure

730
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,840
it gets reported on their taxes and
things like that. So we could just have

731
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,520
all that stuff in there. It wouldn't
need to be a big deal and it would be

732
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:12,440
pretty straightforward.
>> So that's not a problem.

733
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:16,680
» I'll make a list and send Liam an email
what we

734
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:19,680
» In addition to the documentation, I mean
if we're giving [clears throat] these

735
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,480
out honestly, we should probably make
more of a big deal at least an email

736
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:29,320
that goes out says, "Hey, we've awarded
so-and-so because of this great

737
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:32,600
exceptional work." That also creates
while that's not the main purpose, but

738
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,920
it creates a bit of a paper trail there
as well.

739
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,000
» Yeah.
When I first brought this up, um

740
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,760
Cody I'm going to rat you out a little
bit.

741
00:49:38,974 --> 00:49:44,720
» [laughter]
>> I I I was kind of I was going big and I

742
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:50,160
was like, "I want to I want to be able
to like let's give them a $500 or a

743
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:55,440
$1,000 bonus to their check and if they
do something really really awesome,

744
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,640
let's make it powerful and
Cody brought me to back down to earth a

745
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:02,480
little bit and said it doesn't need to
be that. It just needs to be

746
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:07,640
recognition. And I'm the reason I'm
calling you out is the one that I

747
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:13,160
awarded to Trev last month uh for all of
his efforts on the rodeo preparation and

748
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,920
helping us have our first rodeo event.
Um and he's Man, he spends a lot of time

749
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:25,040
at the arena grooming it and doing all
that. Um my little gift card was $25.

750
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:30,320
And you know what? That he was so
uh honored to receive that and it he it

751
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:35,440
meant so much to him. So, it really it
wasn't the dollar amount. It was the

752
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:38,880
recognition. And so, that 10,000 will go
That'll go a long ways all year.

753
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,280
» If the mayor keeps giving out his gift
cards, there's no tax, right?

754
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,640
» Right.
>> All right. You can't tax me on that one.

755
00:50:43,819 --> 00:50:49,080
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, it's just a gift.

756
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:53,480
» But you're right, Jason. We can promote
that from within. We can send out some

757
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:56,720
staff emails. Make sure everyone's
recognized that way, for sure.

758
00:50:55,040 --> 00:51:00,240
» And you could even include reporting if
you wanted that like the mayor reports

759
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,960
that back in city council meeting so
that they get recognition more publicly,

760
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,920
whatever you'd like. Like we can
>> write that in.

761
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,960
» facilitate
whatever.

762
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:12,000
» I like it being in the policy, though.
>> Yeah.

763
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,280
» Cuz then it's part of the
policy and procedure.

764
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,880
» I think it's just yeah.
Cover your butt.

765
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:22,520
» Yeah. I think it's a great idea.
>> Like it.

766
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,080
» Great. I think we need a roll call.
>> I don't think we've made a motion.

767
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,640
» Oh, we haven't. Nope, we haven't made a
motion.

768
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,640
» I'll make a motion that we approve the
final 2026-2027

769
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,720
budget.
>> Okay. Motion by Katie to approve the

770
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,880
budget, second by Jason. All in favor
No.

771
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,640
» One by one.
>> One by one. We'll do a roll call. Bob.

772
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,600
» I.
>> David.

773
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,400
» I.
>> Katie.

774
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,320
» I.
>> Jason.

775
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,640
» I.
>> And Tim.

776
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:48,880
» I.
>> Okay.

777
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,760
Based on that, the motion passes. We
have a new

778
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:56,280
fiscal year budget.
Good job. Good job, team.

779
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,400
» Cody, appreciate all the work you put
into it.

780
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:02,421
» Yes, thank you.
>> Should we give Cody a $25 gift card?

781
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:07,600
» No, he gets the 5.7%.
>> [laughter]

782
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,600
» Same 5.7.

783
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:15,880
I'm I'm going to publicly do the same
thing. Cody has spent

784
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:21,520
hours
upon hours

785
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:26,200
of extra time on this budget.
Making sure that

786
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:31,320
that we're not budgeting to zero, we're
carrying plenty of money over,

787
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:36,880
we're saving for a rainy day.
The one thing I will say this, too.

788
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:41,040
And you get a little heat for this.
Pushing back on things or you can't do

789
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:45,600
that or you we can't spend
I would much rather have that

790
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:50,280
than someone that would just let you
spend whatever you want. Cody, you do a

791
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,960
great job and you keep us in line and
make sure that we're

792
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,360
we're uh
able to report to the residents that

793
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:59,000
we're good stewards of of their money.
So, thank you.

794
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,800
» Yes.
>> I really appreciate your expertise.

795
00:53:00,716 --> 00:53:05,440
[clears throat] I trust you and trust in
that, too.

796
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,560
» Very much.
Our next item is consideration for

797
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:15,400
approval of the certified tax rate for
the 26 year and Cody will present that.

798
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:21,920
» Okay, so on page 32 of the packet is the
new certified tax rate. Just for your

799
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,920
information, so it's 0.000322.

800
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:29,000
If you remember last year it was
0.000327.

801
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Um and the certified budgeted revenues
is the 411457.

802
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:40,320
Last year it was 375588.
So, um the increase, the new growth

803
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:45,360
increase is $35,869.
So, that's new things that occurred in

804
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:51,800
Fairwest. And the rate dropped by point
five zeros and a five, which is about a

805
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:56,720
1.5% increase. So, what that means is
values went up about 1.5% and so then

806
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,520
the rate drops so that we get the same
amount of money before

807
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,840
the
new growth. So, if you have any

808
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:07,160
questions, I can answer it. Otherwise
>> Thank you. Can I do have a question?

809
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,960
Just so everyone's clear, there was not
a truth in taxation this year.

810
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:14,280
» Nope, we didn't
>> We didn't increase taxes.

811
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:19,120
» We just held the certified tax rate. So,
no truth in taxation or TNT requirements

812
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,160
were required.
>> And you guys

813
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:25,040
» And be proud be proud of that. I mean,
you know, I watch some of these cities

814
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:29,360
you know, the
I'll use Roy as the example cuz they're

815
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:33,920
in the news every day, but there's a lot
of cities that that's a hot button item.

816
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:38,120
» West Haven had increased this
>> Yeah. So, again, I say well done. That

817
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,800
was it's great. It's awesome.
>> I don't know if you seen the article

818
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,360
today about the new North Ogden Valley
City. So, they're suing the state tax

819
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,600
commission cuz they didn't get all their
stuff done by January 1st. So, they

820
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:53,640
don't have a legal right to assess a
property tax, but they're proposing I

821
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,760
can't remember now like 532%
tax increase.

822
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:01,440
» When you go from zero to
>> Well, they the county assessed a little

823
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,560
tiny bit it but it's just their out of
county or their out of city municipal

824
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:10,160
rate. And it's like 100 100 bucks per
household or something. And so, they're

825
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,560
going up significantly. So, they're
Besides Roy's like 50% increase, the

826
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,160
Ogden Valley one is shibongo, too.
>> Up to 50%.

827
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,280
» Yeah. Yeah, up to
>> It's not at 50%.

828
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,480
» Right, that's the max they can go.
So.

829
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:26,600
» I just want to also say thanks. You've
explained how all this works a number of

830
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,760
times and it's helped helped us be
prepared for this. So, appreciate that.

831
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,600
Thank you.
>> Yeah.

832
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:36,360
» Thanks.
>> Um

833
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:41,360
any other questions about the tax rate?
>> I move that we uh, the certified tax

834
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,280
rate for the 2026 tax year.
>> I'll second.

835
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:49,560
» Motion by
Tim to approve, a second by Bob. Do we

836
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,920
roll call this, you think?
>> You can. I mean, it wouldn't hurt.

837
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,560
» It wouldn't hurt.
>> it's it's money. It's I mean, it's

838
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,000
money. So, uh, Bob?
>> Aye.

839
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,720
» David?
>> Aye.

840
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,720
» Katie?
>> Aye.

841
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,280
» And Jason?
>> Aye. Tim?

842
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,840
» Aye.
>> The motion carries.

843
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:13,000
That is approved. Amendments, uh, to
consider

844
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:18,560
consideration for approval of our,
um, consolidated fee schedule.

845
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,840
Um, and Cody is again going to explain
that.

846
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:27,280
» Okay, so this is page 33 and 34 of the
packet. Um, we're just proposing that

847
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:30,400
the sewer rate goes up by the same rate
that Central Weber's increasing their

848
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,360
rate.
Um, same thing with the garbage cans,

849
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:38,720
the proposed increase there, we're
proposing same increase, and then we

850
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,840
kind of took the average of those to
increase the storm water utility fee.

851
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:47,920
And then the transportation utility fee
is remaining unchanged. It's staying at

852
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:51,640
the $7. So, it's just And these are
reflected in the budget, so this is just

853
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:55,080
kind of the back end so that we have the
legal ability to increase those fees.

854
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:58,680
So, if you have any questions, I can
answer them.

855
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:04,880
» Just Just a comment. The sewer fee
last year, the state rejected the sewer

856
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,560
district's input, so they got zero.
The sewer [clears throat] district

857
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:13,520
operated off of
rainy day funds and bonds, interest off

858
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:16,720
bonds. So, there was no increase, and
there will be no increase

859
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,600
uh, other than
the operating expenses. So, they're not

860
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,600
raising us because they failed to get
the approval from the state from last

861
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,280
year.
>> And you're talking property tax.

862
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,960
» Correct.
>> For this Central Weber.

863
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:33,480
» Yep.
>> I did have a question on the replacement

864
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:38,960
container. Looks like we've charged $25
for that since 2021.

865
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:42,280
Have we looked at the actual costs of
those replacement containers to make

866
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:48,240
sure that we're covering
>> 500 dollars. So I think that is just if

867
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:53,240
your can gets like broken.
If [clears throat] you want a new can, I

868
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:56,040
believe it's elsewhere in the policy and
it's like 125 bucks.

869
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,760
» Okay.
>> So like if I go and say I want a second

870
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:04,400
garbage can, I believe I have to pay
like 125 dollars.

871
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:07,440
» Cost of can plus 1265 a month. And then
okay.

872
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:11,120
» I think that's just if like your can
gets broken or you put fireworks in your

873
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:15,280
can and melt it.
I think that's what

874
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:20,400
» Knowing that it is though
125 dollars and we're only charging 25,

875
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:24,760
there's a pretty big delta there.
>> Would need to ask Robbie. I don't know

876
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,040
if some of those qualify. He's confirmed
165 a can.

877
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,000
» Yeah, I remember.
>> Is the cost. Yeah, and I don't know if

878
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,120
some of these like we get replaced under
warranty and the 25 is more just a

879
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:38,480
service fee. I'm not positive
>> They don't My trash can was destroyed by

880
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,280
the trash truck and I paid the full
replacement fee.

881
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,840
» Okay.
>> Wait, say that again. If they ruin it?

882
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,840
» My trash can was destroyed by the trash
truck and I ended up having to pay the

883
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,560
full replacement.
>> Not the 25?

884
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,920
» Not the 25.
>> That's interesting.

885
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,520
» I know.
I didn't argue.

886
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,080
» And that's something we should probably
look at.

887
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,440
» argue it. I just wanted my trash
collected.

888
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:01,440
» I bet he probably that's probably not I
mean maybe it is but That seems off to

889
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,600
me.
>> I just hope nobody else had to pay.

890
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:10,240
» Yeah, that should be in our contract
with them if it's not that they replace

891
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:13,160
any cans that are broken.
>> Split it right down the middle. If they

892
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,360
break it, it
should be their responsibility.

893
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:21,560
» Just something worth looking into.
>> We can look at that. I assume that's

894
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,320
just the replacement not a new.
>> We'll take that up.

895
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:27,040
» What are we looking at? So like what do
you mean?

896
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:30,520
» Uh this replacement can.
>> 25 dollars?

897
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,520
» Mhm.

898
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,720
» Yeah.
>> But if they if they have to

899
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:42,480
replace the container and the actual
cost of the garbage can is $165,

900
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,120
but we're only charging the resident
$25.

901
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,800
» Then we're eating the money.
>> We're eating a pretty good amount of

902
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,000
money.
>> Yeah, but I'm not sure that when they

903
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,320
replace it, they always replace it with
a new one.

904
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,640
» They do not.
>> I think that's true.

905
00:59:52,000 --> 01:00:00,440
» There are some that they refurbish and
recondition uh, and cannibalize to have

906
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:04,160
some backup cans for this purpose.
>> I think you're right. And I think we get

907
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:08,120
some back on warranty once we buy new
ones and things. I think that's why the

908
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:11,120
$25 is less than the
>> So, just I'm

909
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,720
» They're serially controlled.
>> We have an awesome public works director

910
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,160
who watches all of these.
>> Right.

911
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,920
» And he's watching right now.
Um, we only charge $25 to recoup some

912
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:26,680
money.
Uh, his advice is we should change it

913
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,280
cuz we replace a ton of garbage cans.
So, to Katie's point, we are expensing

914
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,920
that.
>> It's still a lot of hole.

915
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,280
» Um
>> Robbie, what do you recommend?

916
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:40,280
» I would recommend that we don't do the
full 165 because at some point some of

917
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:44,360
this is built into the rate. That's kind
of part of doing the cost of business.

918
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:47,520
And I think it depends on how they
damage them. If they throw fireworks in

919
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:52,360
it and melt the can, then yeah, they
should probably pay the 165 bucks. But

920
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:56,440
if it just wears out cuz their can's 20
years old, I don't know that we should

921
01:00:54,520 --> 01:01:01,520
necessarily have that on the resident. I
think that's why this rate is 25 bucks.

922
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,960
» And up until 20 up until 2021, we didn't
charge anything.

923
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:08,720
» Right.
>> This this $25

924
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:12,520
that just started as of 2021.
>> So, some of that cuz the garbage fund is

925
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,800
a little different than the other
enterprise funds. Like we really don't

926
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,960
need to make a lot of money because all
we need to do is pay for the trash

927
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,800
service. And we usually make a little
bit of money, so that would pay for some

928
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:26,920
of those damaged cans. So, if we have
lost cans that are old, maybe we need to

929
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:30,080
bump that up to like 30 bucks or 40, but
I don't think we need to go to the

930
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:33,680
» And I I will I will concede that in my
case, there were no replacement cans

931
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:38,160
available. They'd all been dispensed, so
I had to buy new ones.

932
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:43,480
From the vendor, but that's another
but on let's move on.

933
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:46,800
» Uh the advice of of Rob is $100 would be
he thinks that would be sufficient, so

934
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:49,080
maybe that's another discussion for
another day.

935
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,720
» Yeah, I think we ought to look into it a
little

936
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:54,560
» Or do can we change it right now?
>> You can change it right now. I just

937
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,760
don't I mean
think about it, your can gets broke,

938
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,680
like are you going to be mad that then
the city's like

939
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,360
» I don't know. Well, so
>> Well, it sounds like they're charging

940
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:06,080
» It happens a lot and and he did say
>> wrong. They shouldn't have done that. It

941
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,800
should have been the 25.
>> Most of the time it's not the truck's

942
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,200
fault.
The garbage cans just wear out over

943
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,440
time.
>> Exactly.

944
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:17,000
» That's normal wear and tear.
>> So, at some point I would say that's

945
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:20,160
already built into our rates cuz if we
were doing it for free, like we're

946
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:24,520
already covering that. So, it just
depends what you want to do.

947
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:28,920
I just So, you know, like
I just think from a public like a

948
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,480
customer service perspective, like
somebody would be mad if they're

949
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:35,600
» Do we go to a public hearing for this?
>> Not yet.

950
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:40,453
» Oh, but we will.
Cuz I want to hear what Lou thinks.

951
01:02:38,433 --> 01:02:40,453
» [laughter]

952
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,720
» I'm So, we need a motion to enter a
public hearing.

953
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:49,480
» So moved to 50 bucks.
>> Okay, motion by Jason.

954
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,600
» Second.
>> Second by Tim. All in favor say I.

955
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:57,840
» I.
>> Motion carries. We're now in a public

956
01:02:54,200 --> 01:03:01,920
hearing. And I've asked Lou to comment
as he is

957
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,320
he's been around a while.
And I I I trust him. What do you think

958
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,280
on this, Lou?
>> Well, let me just start with what I

959
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:13,800
intended on doing. I it disappointed me
that we got four public hearings and you

960
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,480
haven't had any comment from the public.
So, I'm representing the greater public

961
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
right now.
>> That's fair.

962
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:23,760
» But my my
here what is the increase in the monthly

963
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:28,320
garbage can fee? You mentioned it's
increased. I just think it'd be fair.

964
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:33,280
» It went from 1206
to 1265. It's minimal.

965
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:37,320
» Oh, it's trivial. 50 cents.
>> And then in

966
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:41,369
It's Oh, is it the same 5% that you're
getting?

967
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:41,369
» [laughter]

968
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,000
» Is it?

969
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:53,800
Oh.
That makes sense.

970
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:57,920
So, it is minimal.
>> To the point of garbage cans that wear

971
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:03,000
out over time,
I think there should be some element of

972
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:07,320
compassion on the citizens
to not give them a financial burden if

973
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:11,880
they've taken good care of their garbage
can and it's just simply old and it's

974
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,360
outgrown its utility.
So,

975
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,440
» So,
>> quite different from misuse or

976
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:24,680
overloading it or all of that.
>> I agree with that. Yeah, for sure. So,

977
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:26,360
if the $25 replacement fee is how old,
Katie?

978
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,680
» Since 2021.
>> 2021.

979
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:33,520
» And you're increasing it to
>> We're asking, should we increase it?

980
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,520
» Robbie recommended a hundred.
>> I'd say

981
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:38,200
» Our public
>> There's a lot of real estate between 25

982
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:41,680
and a hundred though.
>> The The Well, the cost of a new one is

983
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:47,200
165.
So, where do we Where do we fit?

984
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:52,600
» the issue is who bears the burden of the
garbage can wearing out over time but

985
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,080
used appropriately.
>> Yeah.

986
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:59,200
» That's That's your decision, not mine.
>> Public Works recommends a hundred. It's

987
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,200
25 now.
>> How often do we get requests to replace

988
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,400
a can?
>> Uh Public Works said it happens a lot. I

989
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,840
don't know what that number would
entail, but it it's a lot.

990
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:13,080
» I mean, I've I've been in since the
beginning and my I still have my two

991
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:16,760
original
and I think they're in perfect shape.

992
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:20,200
» I think part of the reason the original
and one of the four containers

993
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:24,200
but I think part of the reason that they
implemented the $25 is so that people

994
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:25,400
didn't just want to switch cans.
>> Yeah.

995
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:29,160
» And [laughter]
if you break a can, bring me a new one.

996
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:32,000
That's I believe why we implemented the
$25.

997
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,000
» So I'm going to 50.
Yeah.

998
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:38,880
» Cuz I can see 25 being an
inconsequential amount to stop somebody

999
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:42,720
» Five a week at least.
>> Five a week, really?

1000
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:46,600
» Oh, that's that's heavy.
>> And you add that up over over time.

1001
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:51,480
» what you're doing you've got two issues.
You've got sort of the legitimate it

1002
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:56,000
wears out over time versus
almost abuse of that policy where I want

1003
01:05:53,840 --> 01:06:00,880
a brand new shiny can cuz my new my
current can stinks a little bit and it's

1004
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,960
got a few scratches on it.
>> Agreed.

1005
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,880
» I think we ought to increase it but I'm
not sure we need to go all the way to

1006
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:09,920
100.
>> Cody, you mentioned that part of our

1007
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:14,760
cost incorporates replacement which is
why you're saying if we do increase only

1008
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:20,840
like 35, 40, not all the way up to 100.
Do we know anything about how much

1009
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:24,420
or how much the we're we're
our fees are covering that increase?

1010
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:29,640
Or sorry, the replacement
[clears throat] costs?

1011
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:32,960
» Um explain more. I'm not quite following
you yet.

1012
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:37,680
» You said that the
the service fees that we pay should at

1013
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:40,800
least to some extent be covering the
cost of replacing can cans.

1014
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:46,080
Yeah.
>> If the residents pay the city for the

1015
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:48,080
shipping theory would have some built in
there.

1016
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,360
» Okay.
>> You just don't know how much that is

1017
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,360
right now.
>> It would vary, you know, like

1018
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,720
we're
historically we just bought. I think

1019
01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:05,676
it's like 15 or $20,000 worth of cans
each year. So it would just be enough

1020
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:09,080
like cover that much of the budget.
>> [snorts]

1021
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:14,000
» Okay, so then the the 1265 a month we're
proposing moving to

1022
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:18,080
should at least in some theory cover the
cost of replacing a can within a

1023
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,760
reasonable amount of time, not every
year.

1024
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:24,560
» Could Could I suggest at least a
>> That's not but hold on, 1265 is not a

1025
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:30,320
replaced cost.
>> No, it's it's the the the cost for

1026
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:36,720
residents to have the can, which should
cover include

1027
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:40,000
a reasonable lifespan of the can
and then to be replaced. Isn't that what

1028
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:45,040
the 1265 is?
>> Well, it's for It It It could require a

1029
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:49,360
little bit of bookkeeping, but you could
have a policy

1030
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:52,800
that relates to how soon you replace the
can after you got your most recent one.

1031
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:57,840
» Mhm.
>> And you know, that would reflect, you

1032
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:02,480
know, normal wear and tear, not abusive
wear and tear. And if somebody's asking

1033
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,960
for a new can and they got a one 3 years
ago,

1034
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,920
that's quite different than somebody
that's asking to replace a can they've

1035
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,880
had for 20 years.
>> I think our attrition rate's going to

1036
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:13,880
increase significantly and it's going to
put more burden on the

1037
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:17,480
public works people.
>> Well, to to talk I'm sorry, Katie.

1038
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:22,312
» Well, and then like
there's no enforcement mechanism for

1039
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:25,520
like for somebody for us to say
[clears throat]

1040
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:27,880
no, you had a can too recently, so you
can't get one.

1041
01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:30,040
» Don't you Don't you keep records of when
you sell them?

1042
01:08:28,440 --> 01:08:34,160
» Well, I'm saying we can keep records,
but we have no way of enforcing We have

1043
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:37,600
no code with which to enforce that.
>> Right.

1044
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:41,560
» Um maybe mention to lose point, the the
garbage cans have a 5-year warranty

1045
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,600
currently.
So, that's a threshold to maybe keep in

1046
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:48,720
mind.
The other thing when I think I heard Bob

1047
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:53,240
say the burden on the staff or someone
so that um

1048
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:58,240
the employees when they have to replace
these garbage cans, I mean that's that's

1049
01:08:55,240 --> 01:09:02,040
time, that's a truck, that's gas being
spent. We do need to account for some of

1050
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:05,279
this, especially if it's happening
five-hour plus a week.

1051
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,359
» Time away from
>> our rate. So, like we have accounted for

1052
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,720
that's what I'm saying. I don't even
think we need to

1053
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,120
build in a new rate for this. It's
already

1054
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:17,240
» We've accounted for their time.
>> But I'm not talking about the rate. I'm

1055
01:09:15,440 --> 01:09:19,520
simply talking about the replacement
cost.

1056
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:22,240
» Right. We've already been paying for
that in our rate. Our rate is

1057
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:27,720
» Oh, I see.
>> So, we don't need to build it

1058
01:09:24,759 --> 01:09:30,920
like you The only reason we need this is
if we have people who are are generally

1059
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:33,400
abusing
>> abusing it.

1060
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:38,240
» But it sounds like that's happening and
so $25 isn't really cutting it.

1061
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:42,440
» Right. But at some point like there's
probably some people that would pay $165

1062
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:45,200
cuz they want a new can.
But I guess we have to look at it like

1063
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:49,319
Lou too.
Like does Lou want to pay $150? They

1064
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:54,080
want to pay $165 for a new can, but if
it's Handy's broke

1065
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:57,600
does Lou want to pay $165 or do you want
to charge that? So, we can't punish

1066
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,320
everybody for a handful of people that
want to

1067
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,800
» And I don't think we should punish
anybody anyway.

1068
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,880
» Can we consider an incremental increase?
>> But maybe

1069
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:08,320
» Bring it up a little bit today and then
that's what I can consider later.

1070
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:11,600
» I think I heard Tim say 50. I mean, I
heard a couple things.

1071
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:15,320
» of the you know, the you you know, the
jump, the increment is pretty

1072
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:19,600
substantial. How about easing it up
rather than jumping 50?

1073
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:24,000
» I I think you're spot on, Lou.
>> Cody was recommending 35 or 40.

1074
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:28,880
» That's really what I think is I don't
think even though we replace these,

1075
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:32,400
that's just part of it. Another thing
you got to keep in mind is

1076
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,600
» I think we did these in big chunks like
originally and so we probably And I

1077
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:39,080
don't know from talking to Robbie, I'm
pretty sure I have a crappy garbage can

1078
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:41,680
like the year they ordered those. Like
it's just not as built as heavy as some

1079
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,480
of the other ones.
>> Did you got the one that the lid's

1080
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,920
broke?
>> It hasn't Yeah, but

1081
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:49,120
» Mine's been broke.
>> ticking time bomb.

1082
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:52,480
» You consider a replacement one for $25?
>> I know. If I If we don't

1083
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:56,600
If we don't If we don't change this
>> So, that's where like it We got to find

1084
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,480
that balance in that cuz somebody has a
garbage can, they call in and we're

1085
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,840
like, "Hey, it's a bucks." They're
probably going to be,

1086
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,800
"My garbage can broken? You're charging
me 100 bucks?" So, we just need to find

1087
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:08,480
the balance.
>> think 100's too steep to lose point.

1088
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:12,080
But, maybe 50? I mean, that seems like a
good compromise. It's kind of It's not

1089
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:15,200
even half. It's not even half of the
replacement cost.

1090
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:18,400
We're still covering more than half of
that cost.

1091
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,080
» It is twice what we're currently
charging, though.

1092
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:24,600
» It's
>> It's a big increase when everything else

1093
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,720
in price is going up.
>> Only if you're replacing a garbage can.

1094
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:31,520
» Sure.
>> It's not bad.

1095
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,920
Right? We're not charging that to get a
new one.

1096
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,480
» Sure.
>> Right?

1097
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,960
» I get that.
>> Right.

1098
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,560
» So, it's a totally up to you guys.
>> So,

1099
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,960
» And we're still in the
>> I would say we leave the actual cost of

1100
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:48,640
the can alone
where it is and only modify the

1101
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,920
replacement cost. That's it.
>> That's my feeling, too.

1102
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,960
» Exactly.
>> Well, should we move into a public

1103
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,760
hearing?
>> We we're in public now.

1104
01:11:55,000 --> 01:12:00,160
» Sorry, in the public hearing.
>> Do we have more public comments? Come

1105
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:04,960
up.
Come up and say your Say your name so

1106
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:08,080
Ange can record it.
>> You really want to know my name? You

1107
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:12,240
know Want my real name or my just a
nickname?

1108
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,200
Oh, jeez. Antoinette.
>> Antoinette?

1109
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:18,640
» Yes.
Shaffer. S H A F F E R.

1110
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,560
» Good.
>> Thank you for coming up.

1111
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,840
» How do you spell it?
>> This needs to be mobile.

1112
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,680
» You're awesome. Thanks for being here.
You can bend the You can bend the

1113
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:28,840
microphone down.
>> What do you think about this?

1114
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:34,280
» I agree with Bob.
If the garbage truck destroys your can,

1115
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:38,880
you should not be responsible for it.
I'm sorry if I'm a little bit harsh on

1116
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:41,960
that, but
if I were in your position, I'd be

1117
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:46,640
saying, "No, I'm not going to pay for
that. That truck destroyed it."

1118
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:50,000
But, if I'm replacing it by myself,
definitely, I'll replace it. Because,

1119
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:54,400
hey, if I want a new one because the one
is like 25, 30, 50 years old or whatever

1120
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:58,160
and doesn't want to work anymore, I'll
replace it. But if somebody else is

1121
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:03,160
going to damage my
garbage can, absolutely not. Dorothy

1122
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:06,760
took ours up in North Ogden.
They couldn't find it.

1123
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,800
» I like that. I How do we
How do we police that, though?

1124
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:13,920
» That's going to be very difficult
because if they overload it and the

1125
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:17,640
axles bend or if it splits, cuz mine
split in half.

1126
01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:20,840
There was no damage to it until it came
down and it was

1127
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,880
popped open.
Um how do you assess it? We don't have

1128
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:28,760
an inspection team. You just have to go
off of good faith.

1129
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:33,520
» I I mean, it's not you I agree with what
you're saying on principle. I'm just

1130
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:36,040
wondering as a city or from the
>> can't Yeah.

1131
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:39,800
» the company's perspective, how do we
know it wasn't just old, it had run its

1132
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:43,440
life course?
>> I think a good suggestion, take pictures

1133
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:47,760
with your phone, send it right straight
to your city office that day. This day,

1134
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:51,160
it happened on this day when the garbage
truck came to pick it up my

1135
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:55,000
» I think the burden of proof would be on
the resident to

1136
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:57,080
like make a claim with the garbage truck
company.

1137
01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,560
» Right. Yeah.
>> Start off with that.

1138
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:05,400
But if they say, "Oh, you'll need to
contact your city."

1139
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,480
» I I will say this.
Uh

1140
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:19,120
25 seems easy.
50, I think maybe will deter someone

1141
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,280
from saying, "Well, mine stinks and I
don't want to I want a new one cuz mine

1142
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:23,960
stinks."
>> My wheel is a little squeaky.

1143
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,440
» Yeah.
>> If they see that

1144
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,920
» I'm sorry.
>> yeah, there's a little

1145
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:33,520
» And I think 100 is a dis- a disservice
to the city residents.

1146
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:38,760
It's kind of how I feel, but
What do you think about Do you think a

1147
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:42,360
replacement cost is okay?
>> If

1148
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:48,720
If it's natural causes, you know, it's
old an old garbage can, but in

1149
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:52,920
the regards to damage from someone else
the the garbage truck company

1150
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,160
then
>> And you're saying that battle would have

1151
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:59,960
to be fought between the resident and
that company?

1152
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:04,240
» Or like what Cody said that in the
agreement there's some language that

1153
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:08,560
speaks to
the the if the trash hauler is the one

1154
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:12,320
that damages the can
there's some sort of you know

1155
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,080
claim process.
>> you're able to do that.

1156
01:15:13,320 --> 01:15:20,000
» Okay. Cuz the problem's going to be
we need to have a contract with the

1157
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:24,960
hauler. So like me as a resident if I
call them and say hey

1158
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,960
» That's not where it goes.

1159
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,480
» But
so I'm probably going to have to call

1160
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,120
the city.
>> That's correct. If something happens to

1161
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:38,040
your can, you've got to come to the city
to resolve the problem. I had to do

1162
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:41,000
that. The lid tore off my can. One of
those those the old ones that just came

1163
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:45,280
undone and
>> Were you mean? Were you mean?

1164
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:49,920
» Oh, I was so No, I came in and said
I just came in and said my garbage can's

1165
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:54,120
falling apart. And they
I paid the 25 bucks and the guys came

1166
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,080
out with the truck
it's obviously been one that's been

1167
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:03,160
refurbished. It's got some really funky
wheels on it. Okay. Uh but they replaced

1168
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:07,000
it for me and it's fine. All I need is a
functional garbage can. This isn't some

1169
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,677
piece of yard art.
Okay?

1170
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:09,160
» Yeah.
>> [laughter]

1171
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,120
» Right.
>> Just need a place to put my trash.

1172
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:16,040
» So if someone
>> to come to the city to do it. You can't

1173
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:18,800
go to the the provider. You can't go to
the hauler.

1174
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:22,760
» Unless unless they come in and say the
truck did it then we would have to refer

1175
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:26,040
you to the
>> No, city still has to handle it.

1176
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:28,880
» No, I don't think so.
>> City property.

1177
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:34,680
» Uh uh
>> City property. You got to deal with it.

1178
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:38,863
» Oh, that is that is that how we're
>> See Bob, I tried to help.

1179
01:16:36,843 --> 01:16:38,863
» [laughter]

1180
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:44,840
» For the majority of us that $100 or
whatever I paid

1181
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:46,880
» Are you you sure they're city property?
>> Yeah.

1182
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:51,760
» So then why did they make you pay the
full amount?

1183
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:55,360
» I don't I
But hold on, the the resident buys the

1184
01:16:54,480 --> 01:17:00,720
can.
>> From the city.

1185
01:16:56,560 --> 01:17:00,720
» So the resident owns the can.

1186
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,360
I know, but

1187
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:15,640
I mean we might have to consult with
Liam on that part cuz I I think

1188
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:19,200
from a legal perspective, if if a
resident owns the can, it's their

1189
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:21,760
property.
>> They don't own it.

1190
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:33,440
You don't own the can.
>> Well, that's interesting.

1191
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,160
» If you move, you can't take the can with
you.

1192
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:39,040
» Yeah, they
>> And but you're financially responsible

1193
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,840
for it while you have
control over it.

1194
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:44,640
» Kind of like a mailbox.
>> Yep.

1195
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:46,440
» You buy it, but it doesn't isn't yours.
Post office.

1196
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,280
» So what happens here?
>> That's interesting.

1197
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:56,800
» with the provider,
but the relationship with the service is

1198
01:17:53,880 --> 01:18:00,360
between the resident and the city,
not between the resident and whoever's

1199
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:04,520
driving the truck.
And when something goes wrong,

1200
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:09,720
it's to this office that you come and
say, "The wheels fell off my can.

1201
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:12,000
I load it so heavy I can't drag it to
the

1202
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:16,000
Okay? And so I got to have a
replacement. And the city office will

1203
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:20,840
take care of it with the public works
people. They'll take care of the can.

1204
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:26,800
We've just got to decide what does that
expense entail. Is it $25 because I've

1205
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:31,320
had a failure, or is it 50?
If I want a second can, I'm going to pay

1206
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,120
full price for that.
>> Yes.

1207
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:36,640
» Agreed.
>> Mhm.

1208
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:38,760
» I still think it's personal property. I
think you can take that can with you.

1209
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,960
» You can.
>> No, you can't. certainly

1210
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:47,320
Wait, hold on. You can take the can with
you if you own the can.

1211
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:18,920
» Okay, so there you go.
Did they ever pay you back?

1212
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:24,920
» No, I didn't push it because it was
becoming economically unviable.

1213
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:27,640
It was taking more money and my time.
>> Yeah, right.

1214
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,480
» Well, that might I mean you say that's
in the contract, maybe that's worded

1215
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,480
wrong.

1216
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:42,760
I see.
Yeah, we are in the weeds a little bit

1217
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:46,240
right now, but
Good comments. Anything else?

1218
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:49,240
» That's it. Well, I have more in my mind,
but you'll be here all night.

1219
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,200
» [laughter]
>> We're working on it.

1220
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:56,800
» Okay, this is good con. I like this,
though. We don't have much public

1221
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,800
comments usually.

1222
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:07,160
If your can
and you need a replacement.

1223
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,320
We can update our new website with maybe
that instruction.

1224
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:19,720
» Yeah.
And but and it's a little difficult here

1225
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,800
where Bonavista does our collections
because normally like

1226
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:28,120
if they didn't do it then the residents
going to call us anyways.

1227
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:31,960
But like it's really the city
contracting for the services. So, if it

1228
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:36,480
gets broke, we the person bought the
can, it's on the city, and it's the

1229
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:39,800
city's contractor. So, it's just if we
have the legal ability to go back to the

1230
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:41,440
contractor and say, "Hey, you owe us for
a can."

1231
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,160
» Yeah, Bonavista bills you for the
service, but if you need a replacement,

1232
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:49,520
you come here to the city office, and
you pay

1233
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:52,920
uh for whatever it is you've got to
>> Right. Cover.

1234
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:55,000
» Cuz we pay Bonavista to do the billing
rather than doing it.

1235
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,320
» Right. And Bonavista isn't going to bill
you the 25 bucks for the can. You're

1236
01:20:56,680 --> 01:21:00,160
going to pay that right here, whatever
that amount is.

1237
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,520
» The replacement
>> Yeah.

1238
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,320
» That's that's Are we done with the
public hearing, or are we still talking

1239
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,400
about it?
>> We're We're still in

1240
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,040
» I got one recommendation I want to throw
in.

1241
01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:14,160
Since we've got a lot of like in the
weeds kind of questions about this,

1242
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:17,960
maybe we add this to the public hearing
we were talking about for the budget

1243
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:24,040
other budget items.
And for now, we approve this as is.

1244
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:29,480
And then if we need to if we feel like
during that public the work session that

1245
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:34,600
we need to adjust things, then we can
uh either make that effective uh sooner,

1246
01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:37,880
or go into effect next year.
>> Can I ask a question?

1247
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:42,800
» Sure.
>> Uh

1248
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:48,360
a lot of the questions were concerning
who's responsible to pay or to replace

1249
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:52,440
it, right? The the city versus the
resident versus the company.

1250
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:56,280
I still think the replacement cost can
be adjusted here.

1251
01:21:54,120 --> 01:22:00,600
Right now.
To deter

1252
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:03,200
just to deter a little bit the person
that just wants a new fresh smelling

1253
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,840
can.
>> For 25 bucks.

1254
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,680
» For 25 bucks. If that's all I have to
pay to get a new can,

1255
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,120
» Yeah.
>> I'm I'm going to do that all day long. I

1256
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,000
Why wouldn't you?
>> Well, it depends on the condition of the

1257
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:18,080
can. And public works is going to assess
that when they look at it. They don't

1258
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,280
just do it
uh carte blanche and say, "Okay, you can

1259
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,640
just come out and have a new can." If
they go out and there's nothing wrong

1260
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:26,040
with it.
>> Well, and I

1261
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:29,720
» think so. So, think if they come in and
they pay for a replacement can,

1262
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,600
» Public Works, we we've taken
>> it?

1263
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,680
» Yeah.
>> Well, that's what our order says.

1264
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:38,280
» Yeah.
>> And maybe we have some compassion on

1265
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:42,200
the homeowner that has owned their can
for years.

1266
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:46,200
I mean, I can't we use some
some subjectivity there?

1267
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:49,200
» Not really cuz in the fee schedule,
that's what it says. And I don't think

1268
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,720
we want to like we're kind of getting on
the weeds in this. I don't think we want

1269
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:55,400
to make it so complicated that it's way
more work for Public Works. So, they've

1270
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:59,960
got to look at it and be like, "Oh,
well, they replaced this can." I think

1271
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:04,320
we just need that fee to be somewhat of
a deterrent so we don't have everybody

1272
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:08,160
coming in. I was looking up what it cost
to get your garbage can cleaned. It

1273
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:11,480
looks like it's like 20 bucks a month.
>> Well, yeah. So, why would you clean your

1274
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:15,360
can if you get a new one for 25?
>> Well, and but like how many are we

1275
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:19,160
really having an abuse? I guess that's
the question. We're replacing five a

1276
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:24,280
week, but is it because they're just
dirty or is it because they're broken?

1277
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:28,120
» See, that's I I mean, I don't
And that was in response to this

1278
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:31,120
conversation. So, I don't think
>> What was?

1279
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,080
» What Robbie said about the five cans a
week.

1280
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,640
» Yeah, no. He's
He's listening. He's helping us on this

1281
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:40,000
conversation.
>> like it's just like, "Oh, it's been it's

1282
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:45,040
old and it's a replacement." It seems
like there has been some abuse of that.

1283
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:48,520
» Honestly, if they nudge it to 50, I
think that's fair.

1284
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:53,680
» I I'm I'm I'm in favor of that, too. And
then maybe to Jason's point, we have a

1285
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:55,080
more lengthy conversation about it.
>> Really?

1286
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,160
» It's up to you.
>> I think this has been long enough.

1287
01:23:57,008 --> 01:24:01,280
» [laughter]
>> Yeah, we've talked about trash enough. I

1288
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:04,280
I make make a motion that we move out of
the public hearing.

1289
01:24:02,440 --> 01:24:05,600
» Katie has motioned to close the public
hearing.

1290
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:09,080
» Second.
>> Second by Bob. All in favor say aye.

1291
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:13,360
» Aye.
>> Aye. We're you're now Public Hearing is

1292
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:17,160
now closed. I think everyone knows how
we all feel.

1293
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:26,480
Um would we be able to entertain a
motion to approve ordinance 20 26-12

1294
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:34,040
modifying the replacement container fee.
>> I will make it a an amended an amendment

1295
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:39,960
to ordinance number 2026-12
um modifying the replacement container

1296
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:44,000
fee from $25
each replacement [clears throat] to $50

1297
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:47,000
each replacement
>> that.

1298
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:50,800
» and recommend approval
with that amendment.

1299
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:57,760
» I'll second that motion.
>> Okay. A motion by Katie

1300
01:24:53,800 --> 01:25:04,320
um and a second by
David

1301
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:08,920
to approve 2026-12
with

1302
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:12,920
the replacement container modified from
25 to $50. Is that correct?

1303
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,240
» Yes.
>> Correct.

1304
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,240
» A roll call vote, Bob.
>> Aye.

1305
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,000
» David
>> Aye.

1306
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,160
» Katie
>> Aye.

1307
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:21,240
» Jason
>> Nay.

1308
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:23,640
» No. And Tim
>> Aye.

1309
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:30,560
» Okay.
Based on the roll call vote, motion

1310
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:30,560
passes with four votes yes, one no.

1311
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:34,600
Our next item for consideration

1312
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,920
uh

1313
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:42,720
Jason, thank you, by the way.
>> Yeah. Sure.

1314
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:46,560
» Just being willing to stand on principle
and and why you feel that way.

1315
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:52,240
» I'm not offended. I just Yeah. It's why
I ran to be up here to make these votes.

1316
01:25:50,160 --> 01:25:55,960
» Um our next item consideration is
approval of the city fraud and abuse

1317
01:25:54,040 --> 01:26:00,200
policy. There's a reason why we need to
insert this. Cody's going to explain

1318
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:04,520
that real quick.
>> So, this policy So, this is really

1319
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:08,840
Liam's policy. I'm just I'm helping
present it. So, um if you remember the

1320
01:26:06,440 --> 01:26:12,240
next agenda items are five fraud risk
assessments. We get points for the

1321
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:16,440
different policies that we have. So,
this is one of them that we've been

1322
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:20,640
lacking. So, Liam put this together. Um
I believe he said it was basically taken

1323
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:25,160
from the state's template. So, this gets
us a few more points on the next thing.

1324
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:29,320
So, we're just bringing this to you to
help strengthen some of the fraud and

1325
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:32,480
abuse
and the reporting associated with it in

1326
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:36,240
the city.
>> And I've read through it, too. I've read

1327
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:40,320
through the complaints and whistleblower
protection.

1328
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:44,200
Um the assessment this is I mean it's
it's good policy to have this in the

1329
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:47,440
city.
Any discussion on this at all?

1330
01:26:46,480 --> 01:26:50,560
» No.
>> Looked pretty thorough to me.

1331
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,200
» Okay. [clears throat]
Is there a motion?

1332
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:57,720
» Yeah, I move that we approve
the

1333
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,440
reporting fraud or abuse
um

1334
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,840
» policy
>> policy

1335
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:05,280
» policy
>> Second.

1336
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:07,280
» A motion by Tim and a second by Jason.
All in favor say I.

1337
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:10,520
» I.
>> Any opposed?

1338
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:14,440
Okay.
Um

1339
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:16,760
consider approval of the city fraud and
wait

1340
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:19,960
This is an assessment.
>> Second one. This is not a policy.

1341
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:21,360
» The fraud risk assessment, right? Is
that the one?

1342
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:26,600
» Yep.
>> Um from the office of the state auditor.

1343
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:29,880
» So, we're required annually to present
this to you. And as you can see, if you

1344
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:33,800
remember what we scored last year, this
is just five points higher. I believe

1345
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:37,640
Liam's going to continue working on some
of these other policies to help increase

1346
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:43,440
our score. The only place this really
takes an impact is on our audit in our

1347
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:49,560
state compliance report. If you look at
the top of page 39, depending upon it

1348
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:53,120
says if we're very low, low, or
moderate. Some of this is pretty

1349
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:56,600
arbitrary.
Like the point ranking and stuff is just

1350
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:01,480
what the state auditor came up with
several years ago. Um and I'm sure Liam

1351
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:04,760
will continue to work on some of the
other policies. But, if you have any

1352
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:07,560
questions, I can answer them for you.
But, we're just required to present it

1353
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,720
to you annually.
Um and that's

1354
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:14,840
» question I have is to fulfill this, do
we have to take our annual fraud waste

1355
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,720
and abuse training?
>> Yes.

1356
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:22,120
» And get the certificate to validate.
>> I don't believe so.

1357
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,200
» Haven't we already done that?
>> Um you might have.

1358
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:25,520
» I had to do one.
>> Okay.

1359
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,960
» Yeah, I had to
>> Do you mean your conflict of interest?

1360
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:29,840
» why?
>> Yeah.

1361
01:28:28,480 --> 01:28:30,680
» Just new members have to do it?
>> I think so.

1362
01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:32,600
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1363
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:35,280
» Yeah.
And some of the other trainings are

1364
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:39,240
required for other stuff like the open
and public meetings act training. Like

1365
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:41,920
that's a totally different requirement.
This one's just about that assessment.

1366
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:47,040
Okay, so
>> Now all that said, um

1367
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:52,000
my day job we're very technology
focused. Uh we do these

1368
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:56,560
assessments and audits and trainings
with all of our employees every single

1369
01:28:54,160 --> 01:29:00,440
year. So if we're not having to do that
every single year, that's a pretty low

1370
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:06,440
burden on on all of us.
But it wouldn't be out of line to expect

1371
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,240
everyone to do that training every year.
>> Mhm.

1372
01:29:06,826 --> 01:29:10,320
» [clears throat]
>> That's why I asked cuz

1373
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:14,600
in order for people that I worked for in
the past to get credit

1374
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:17,880
like from the state, we had to prove by
our certificate count how many people

1375
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:20,560
complied.
>> Got it.

1376
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:23,640
» I don't think [clears throat] with this
we have to do that.

1377
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,080
» Okay. Well, if we do, you'll let us
know.

1378
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:25,960
» Yeah.
Yeah.

1379
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,520
» Here you go.
>> Okay. Thanks, Cody.

1380
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:35,120
» That's all that is.
>> We What do we need here? Approval.

1381
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:38,960
» the fraud wis fraud risk assessment from
the office of the state auditor.

1382
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:44,400
» Second.
>> Motion by

1383
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,960
uh Bob to approve, second by
Jason. All in favor say I.

1384
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,680
» I.
>> I.

1385
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:54,520
» Any opposed?
Okay, next item is I,

1386
01:29:53,200 --> 01:30:00,480
um
consideration to cancel

1387
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:06,560
our city council meeting on July 2nd,
2026, mainly due to all of the 4th of

1388
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:12,920
July Freedom Festival activities. We'll
be very busy that week.

1389
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:14,400
» I make a motion we cancel our July 2nd
City Council meeting.

1390
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:18,520
» Bob has
>> There's one one little small thing that

1391
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:22,760
we have to just consider.
Um the business license that we deferred

1392
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:26,320
today
was going to come up next week, so we'll

1393
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,320
have to defer it another 2 weeks, which
I don't think

1394
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:31,120
» Which one are you referencing?
>> The construction

1395
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:36,240
the construction company.
>> That we That is not scheduled until we

1396
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,600
first schedule in a meeting with Liam.
>> Okay.

1397
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:41,160
» I thought Well, we I called him
>> with legal.

1398
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:45,600
» I called him at your request and told
him we're deferring his

1399
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:47,920
action from tonight for 2 weeks. That
would have been on the 2nd.

1400
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,880
» Um
>> Do you want me to call him again?

1401
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:53,640
» Maybe because I don't know what's going
to come from our discussion with legal

1402
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,400
counsel on that.
>> Okay.

1403
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:59,880
» And
Uh that And that's the night of our

1404
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,880
rodeo. So, we won't be available.
>> And the talent show and several other

1405
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,680
things.
>> I mean, we just won't have a council

1406
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,280
available, so I don't know how we'd do
that anyway,

1407
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:10,120
» I just wanted some guidance on how to
handle the Hagley Road issue.

1408
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:14,200
» Any Any
>> I mean, I think I'd recommend I think

1409
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:18,520
that was our marching orders was to have
an offline discussion with him and legal

1410
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:21,200
counsel to determine a path forward to
recommend to you.

1411
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:26,440
» Well, didn't you already do that?
>> We haven't met with legal and him. So,

1412
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:30,680
just so everyone knows, this business
license came before the council 2 weeks

1413
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:36,280
ago. There were several issues with what
was being presented,

1414
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:40,800
which wasn't permitted in the code.
Uh we didn't have legal here to help us

1415
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:44,360
on that night, so we tabled that
decision.

1416
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:49,680
When we reached out with Liam, our legal
counsel there, he recommended we set a

1417
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:55,640
meeting with this individual based on
his application because of

1418
01:31:52,880 --> 01:32:00,400
it because of how much isn't permitted
in the code. And he wanted to sit down

1419
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:04,680
with them before we brought them back
before the council. That was per our

1420
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:08,960
attorney.
So, I think we follow that

1421
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:12,240
council before we schedule anything with
him. Is that okay?

1422
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:16,040
» That's okay. We just He is anticipating
that he's coming back on the 2nd of July

1423
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:18,880
after our last communication with him.
>> So, yeah, let him know that

1424
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,280
» I'll just let him know. That's all I was
asking.

1425
01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:24,040
» And I don't even know if we let him know
when the next one will be in

1426
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:27,640
» say it's open-ended.
>> Well, let's let's just tell him it'll be

1427
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,480
based on the meeting
>> Okay.

1428
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:32,080
» with legal counsel.
>> Okay.

1429
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,680
» Is that okay? Does that sound right to
everybody?

1430
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:38,040
» to know what to tell him.
>> Okay. I think that's the right move.

1431
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:39,960
» I'd like to second Katie's motion.
>> Okay.

1432
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:44,640
» Cancel.
>> We will

1433
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,720
motion by Katie to
>> Cancel.

1434
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:49,240
» Wait a minute. Just
>> Cancel the July 2nd City Council

1435
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:54,120
meeting.
>> I got lost there for a minute. To cancel

1436
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:58,400
the July 2nd City Council meeting and
who seconded that? Jason?

1437
01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,800
All in favor say I.
>> I.

1438
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:05,160
» Any opposed?
Okay. That council meeting has been

1439
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:10,520
canceled.
Now we are finally at our

1440
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:14,360
follow-up remarks and those that
submitted have been reviewed.

1441
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:16,640
Let's just go down cuz we have so much
going on. Tim, do you have anything to

1442
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,920
report?
>> tonight.

1443
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,880
» Jason?
>> No, I sent email with any any comments

1444
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:24,520
ahead.
>> Okay. Katie?

1445
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:27,480
» I did leave a couple of things off of my
report that I forgot in the interim.

1446
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:36,040
» Yeah.
>> Um the RFP for the general plan

1447
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:41,720
update is going out. We've looked at we
have kind of a short list of about seven

1448
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:48,920
to eight seven or eight firms that we
that they that WFRC is going to ask to

1449
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:55,240
propose on
on our general plan update. And then

1450
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:59,480
once we get those RFPs back, we will
have kind of like an a

1451
01:33:57,160 --> 01:34:04,560
um an advisory committee to kind of go
through and score those proposals to

1452
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:07,800
select a contractor to do the general
plan update.

1453
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:11,040
So, we'll be asking a few people from
planning commission to help out with

1454
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:16,520
that review of those
um proposals to select a contractor.

1455
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:22,200
And then um
we are at our last parks committee

1456
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:27,720
parks committee meeting we discussed um
you know, we had a lot a great

1457
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:33,640
outcry of support for
community members um helping maintain

1458
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:39,360
the pump track when we had our last
conversation about the pump track. Uh

1459
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:43,880
the parks committee is going to host a
pump track maintenance

1460
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:48,680
um organizing meeting
uh sometime in the next month and so all

1461
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:54,760
of those that
want to be involved with maintaining the

1462
01:34:51,640 --> 01:35:00,680
pump track um we they're invited to come
to that meeting and we'll discuss

1463
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:04,680
assignments and uh responsibilities and
get those people that uh were so

1464
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:09,480
passionate about the pump track and
dedicating time to it put to work.

1465
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,640
Um so, I'll let everybody know when that
meeting is. And then

1466
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:17,880
just a follow up to my question about
the business license for the fireworks

1467
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,960
stand on the corner
of 1800 and 2000.

1468
01:35:20,836 --> 01:35:26,280
» [clears throat]
>> What happens if they don't come in for a

1469
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:30,920
temporary business license?
>> Um well, they're operating illegally in

1470
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:34,800
our city as are
we know some

1471
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:39,400
home businesses, same thing.
Um at that point

1472
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:42,680
where it's temporary, by the time we get
our code enforcement officer out there,

1473
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,040
they're probably gone.
>> Yeah.

1474
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:47,280
» So, I don't know. I mean
>> We just try to make sure that they don't

1475
01:35:45,480 --> 01:35:49,560
have something already. They've been
there every year. I don't know if

1476
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:53,280
there's any kind of
>> We don't have time to communicate. They

1477
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:56,400
generally set up and start reselling to
people for come in

1478
01:35:55,200 --> 01:36:00,120
the state
celebrations.

1479
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:05,400
» Do you know him? Does anyone know him?
I don't know him either. Maybe I could

1480
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:08,480
pay a visit to him and just ask him
you know, you're willing to come in and

1481
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:12,400
get a business license. It's simple.
It's easy to do.

1482
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:15,440
» Except for we don't have the
time to approve it before the

1483
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:21,040
» I don't think we have to approve it. I
think only certain business license

1484
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:25,360
licenses raise to the threshold of
needing city council approval. There's a

1485
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:28,160
lot that the office just approves when
they come in.

1486
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,840
We're not approving every single
business license that comes to the

1487
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,960
office.
>> They'll set this up now for the 4th,

1488
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:37,160
close it down, open it again for the
24th for 3 or 4 days, and then they'll

1489
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,960
go away.
Um

1490
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:42,000
» So, could we prevent them from opening
back up if they

1491
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:47,560
» Well, we could, but I think we got to
find out what the precedent for them

1492
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:50,040
being here is. I don't know what that
is.

1493
01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:53,840
» I also wonder if there's a realistic
possibility that they think they got a

1494
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:55,600
business license a year before, and so
they're

1495
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:59,080
» And then it just grandfathers.
>> Well, if it's the same person, no.

1496
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:01,880
» Or do they get a business license for
several Or is it grandfathered in a

1497
01:37:01,160 --> 01:37:03,880
separate
>> umbrella?

1498
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,120
» I don't think anyone's
>> I don't know how you'd get that on a

1499
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,000
temporary license.
>> Covers, I don't know.

1500
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:12,440
Do you want me to pull a good gas on it,
too? Do you make them go to the fire

1501
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,840
district and get their fire inspection
and registration with them, too?

1502
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,480
» Well, the guy that came today
>> He didn't.

1503
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:20,480
» Cuz I believe technically they're
supposed to. So, I'm just saying if

1504
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,960
you're making them get a temporary here,
you probably ought to make them go

1505
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:26,200
there, too.
Cuz that's as big a part as

1506
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:30,000
» Yeah, that's that's just my biggest
concern. I'm like, we have this guy came

1507
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,520
in and we're not enforcing it equally
across the board.

1508
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:35,560
» That's a good
>> Well, we need to go over there and see.

1509
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:39,240
There's nobody there.
>> Nobody there till they open up.

1510
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:42,720
» you're ask I don't know, but I can
follow up with legal and find out, and

1511
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,680
then we'll know what then we'll know
going forward what the steps will be.

1512
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:48,320
» Can sheriff over
>> That's a good question, though.

1513
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:51,000
» Yeah, it is.
>> 2%

1514
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,040
» And you only get that because it's a
temporary license.

1515
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:57,480
» Mhm.
>> And in this in this instance, it's a

1516
01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:01,360
three or four-week license. They're
done.

1517
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:04,200
Okay. Anything else?
>> That's it.

1518
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,640
» Great comments, Bob.
David?

1519
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,960
» Nothing else.
>> Just I have a couple things just make

1520
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:14,000
sure everyone's aware of. Um
First, there's been a lot of questions

1521
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:17,640
being asked about cameras that are set
up throughout the city. You've probably

1522
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:21,400
seen them as you've dropped driven
around. They're on top of the

1523
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:26,760
uh lot most of them are on top of the
speed limit signs. That is we know about

1524
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:31,600
that. Big Brother is not watching over
us. Uh that is for a Those are for

1525
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:35,680
traffic studies being done that we've
contracted with um

1526
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:41,880
to look for improvements for traffic
study for traffic for improvements on

1527
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:45,840
our roads. Uh maybe future lights and
and roundabouts and stuff like that. So,

1528
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:51,360
there's purpose behind that. That's why
they're there.

1529
01:38:47,480 --> 01:38:56,960
Um I wanted to reply report back on we
had I had

1530
01:38:52,800 --> 01:39:02,560
asked UDOT for some help on 2700
specific to the 2575 West intersection.

1531
01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:05,320
Um
This is

1532
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,840
Jason, this is where you were famous on
the news.

1533
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:11,800
» Oh, yeah.
>> Um

1534
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:17,840
I I had asked and and
asked them about the condition of or

1535
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:20,760
status of a traffic signal going in
there

1536
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:23,840
asking if we could have a roundabout as
well.

1537
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:27,520
Uh Council, I put you on that email. I
think you saw their response.

1538
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:32,200
They
will be conducting another traffic study

1539
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:37,000
this fall in that location
specifically after school set school is

1540
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:40,800
back in session.
Following that traffic study will

1541
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:45,000
determine what the the steps are,
whether they authorize a signal.

1542
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:49,920
They basically did say they're not going
to put a roundabout there. They they

1543
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:54,920
don't want to consider one there.
So, they will consider a traffic signal

1544
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:58,720
there pending the traffic study.
So, again, a lot of that's out of our

1545
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,760
our control. You know them very well.
>> No.

1546
01:39:59,214 --> 01:40:02,880
» [laughter]
>> So, when they do the traffic study,

1547
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:07,520
everybody just drive that route.
>> I know. As soon as we know that they're

1548
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:09,320
conducting it, we'll send out a memo. Go
Go drive.

1549
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:11,200
» route. Yeah, that's good.
>> Don't get

1550
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:14,560
» I'll never I didn't say that.
>> They'll get plenty of action just from

1551
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:18,160
the local traffic though, from the
school.

1552
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:23,560
Um the next thing from UDot there was
also the consideration to move the

1553
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:30,640
school crossing where Hogel's Corner is,
to move it back by the canal.

1554
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:35,960
Um and or combine the traffic or the the
the crossing at Walk West Junior High

1555
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:40,800
to eliminate the multiple movement on
that road. They just simply won't do it.

1556
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:44,720
They they They they They have their
reasons. They feel like that it's based

1557
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:48,440
on their studies,
uh the intersection of Hogel's Corner

1558
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:52,400
with where the signals already exist,
they feel are safer

1559
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:56,240
for the kids to cross where cars are
already planning to stop from for the

1560
01:40:55,000 --> 01:41:00,080
lights.
Um

1561
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:04,080
they have data to to to back that up and
support that decision. Again, these are

1562
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:08,840
UDot roads. Those are that's their
decisions. We have asked them to

1563
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:14,280
consider these changes. They've refused
at that point because for their for

1564
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:18,080
valid reasons that they have data to
support.

1565
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:23,640
Um then the question was asked, "What
about if we do our tunnel

1566
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:27,280
project and trying to get
traffic or trying to get crossings off

1567
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:32,680
that road
during heavy traffic areas?" They will

1568
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:39,240
consider it at that point. So, if we can
as a as a city put that as a priority

1569
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:42,920
and I think that is a priority by by us
to try to

1570
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:48,240
figure out how to
budget for and receive grants for

1571
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:54,320
what Utah what those
the students from Utah State came out

1572
01:41:50,920 --> 01:42:00,480
presented to us to install a tunnel
tunnel crossing near the canal.

1573
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:05,400
At that point UDOT would consider maybe
allowing that crossing for the students

1574
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:09,720
to move and consolidate to the tunnel.
So, there

1575
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:15,800
Did any comments on that?
>> And I just also let you know so UDOT has

1576
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:22,520
a uh
prioritization and programming schedule

1577
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:29,920
for not just investments in highways,
but investments in active transportation

1578
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:34,360
and pedestrian safety. And the 2700
North overpass

1579
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:41,800
that
or underpass is on the ranked list for

1580
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:46,040
the active transportation improvement
fund, so the A tip

1581
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:52,520
which puts it in
which puts it in that um

1582
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:56,200
constrained category that first phase
with so

1583
01:42:54,920 --> 01:43:01,040
um
with the ranking there. It's lower

1584
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:06,680
ranked but we can do things to increase
the ranking and then once funding

1585
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:11,880
becomes available, they fund projects
based off of them being on this list.

1586
01:43:09,080 --> 01:43:15,560
And so that underpass or overpass is on
this list for consideration for funding

1587
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:21,960
from UDOT.
>> So, I question maybe you don't know

1588
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:26,800
if we were to be able to budget for and
raise or raise funds for that project

1589
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:29,280
through other means, would that help
them push that up on priority?

1590
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,720
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1591
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:39,280
And and I bring that up, you know, to go
back to the Advantage Development, one

1592
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:44,200
of the things that we worked really hard
in that negotiation with them was to was

1593
01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:47,840
to
create a developer contribution to the

1594
01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:53,600
city,
which is in the in the

1595
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:59,640
realm of about $4,000 per lot.
And on 336 lots, if you do the math,

1596
01:43:56,240 --> 01:44:03,960
it's about a $1.5 million chunk to the
city.

1597
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:09,760
Um we now have some significant funds we
can start in a budget to maybe move this

1598
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:11,760
forward make it a reality sooner sooner
than later.

1599
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:15,720
» I think this is one thing that we
continue to lobby the region for in the

1600
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:20,760
our meetings with them.
And that and you know, it's that is in

1601
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:23,880
the same position as the 2700
>> Mhm.

1602
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:29,400
» North interchanges. It's it's on the
list. Now, how the commission decides to

1603
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:33,960
fund it is up to the commission and we
need to utilize our partners at the

1604
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:36,240
region to
>> office.

1605
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:39,960
» to help us
lot to help us

1606
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:45,800
make the commission realize how
important those are to us.

1607
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,800
» Make sense.

1608
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:51,520
Great.
The last thing from UDot there was they

1609
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:57,200
are conducting currently conducting a
traffic study on 2000

1610
01:44:54,120 --> 01:45:02,880
um near where the old where the public
works building facilities are across the

1611
01:44:59,360 --> 01:45:08,320
street from that church to install a
beacon signal

1612
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:11,400
and a and a crossing walk. So, that
>> over on Harrisville Road.

1613
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:16,160
» Yep. And they said and and I'll just let
everyone know the reason that was

1614
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:19,880
increased on their priority list and
this is what um

1615
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,120
What's her name?
>> Carrie?

1616
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,560
» No.
>> Paige?

1617
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:27,960
» Paige.
Paige said the reason that was bumped up

1618
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:31,440
is cuz of all of the residents sending
in that

1619
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:35,400
not complaint but the
issue you know you can submit an issue

1620
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:39,960
to UDot. That's how that was bumped up.
So, kudos to the residents you and that

1621
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:45,080
made a difference. And that And I think
all of us have told have a have helped

1622
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:52,160
the residents understand how to do that.
>> And I think similarly for the underpass

1623
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:53,880
and 1400 at 2700, that same kind of
community support

1624
01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:57,760
» So, what is it?
>> goes along with

1625
01:45:55,800 --> 01:46:02,160
» It It there's a there's a place on the
UDot website

1626
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:04,440
re- region one where you can go into
It's like submitting a ticket.

1627
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:08,160
» Okay.
>> And you can go in there and explain what

1628
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:12,920
the issue is and where it's at.
They had a ton of residents supply that

1629
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:17,920
for this location. So, to Katie's point,
the more that do that at 2700

1630
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:20,800
for these two items, that that helps
voice our concern.

1631
01:46:19,240 --> 01:46:23,760
» This is a squeaky wheel issue.
>> It really is.

1632
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:29,120
» region, reach out to the transportation
commission. They're public bodies just

1633
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:34,040
like us and accept public comment.
>> Great. Um and then just lastly, everyone

1634
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:37,880
knows our 4th of July Freedom Festival.
Uh you'll start to see a bunch of

1635
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:43,200
banners and posters being hung. Lots of
announcements have gone out. Our kickoff

1636
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:49,360
begins next Friday with uh Casey Elliott
from from Gentry

1637
01:46:45,480 --> 01:46:52,720
um and the Mountain Thunder um What
are they called? The shoot the

1638
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:55,840
» Mountain Thunder shooting.
>> Yeah, Utah Mountain Thunder. That's

1639
01:46:54,240 --> 01:47:00,960
going to be awesome. But we're excited
to kick that off on Friday and then that

1640
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:06,440
kind of that whole next the whole next
week is filled with events. So, uh check

1641
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:10,760
out our new website farwestcity.gov.
That That has all of the events and

1642
01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:18,400
items uh listed there. If you want to be
notified in real time, um download our

1643
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:23,920
city app by go by going to um
by searching for Penny, p e n y, and you

1644
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:27,880
can download our new city app and and
we've had several residents reach out

1645
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:32,360
and say, "Hey, this is cool. I'm getting
notified every time you make an make an

1646
01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:36,240
announcement or every time every time
there's a new

1647
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:39,400
new event, you're getting a ping in your
phone letting you know." So, if you want

1648
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:43,680
to be notified in real time, that's
where it happens is on the our new city

1649
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:46,480
app. Uh that's all I have.
>> Did you say .net or .gov?

1650
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,040
» .gov
>> Okay.

1651
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:53,680
» Not I know what it is. I just want to
make sure that's what it was saying.

1652
01:47:50,040 --> 01:48:00,200
» I hope I said .gov. Far West City.gov
That is our new website and .net will be

1653
01:47:57,280 --> 01:48:03,600
decommissioning
Already? It's already forwarding to

1654
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:07,040
.gov, so
It is up and running. We'll make a

1655
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:11,240
formal announcement next week. We didn't
want to cloud with all the 4th of July

1656
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:13,680
announcements, but
There's one last

1657
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:17,600
thing there.
>> I'd like to move we adjourn.

1658
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:21,280
» Motion by Jason to adjourn.
>> Second.

1659
01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:23,040
» Second by Tim and Katie.
All in favor say I.

1660
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:24,600
» I.
>> I.

1661
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:28,240
» I.
>> Motion

1662
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:28,240
Thanks, everyone.

1663
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,440
» I was going to

1664
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:48,480
» months
>> for any of this calendar year to be