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That was loud. There you go, all right. Next, okay, I'll call order of the regular city council meeting August 7, 2023, at 6 o'clock p.m.

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Madam Secretary, do we have a quorum? Yes, Mayor, we do. Next please. Invocation given by Rex Walker with Life Spring Church,

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followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the American and Texas flag. Please stand.

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Amen. Let's bow for a word of prayer.

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Heavenly Father, we thank you, Lord, for your presence, and we invite you into this room tonight, Lord,

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because we need your wisdom Lord we need your protection I'm thankful for these

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men and women who are gathered here tonight who Lord we all just want to

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serve our city in the best way possible and make the decisions that you would

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guide us to make and so we just pray as we look ahead of the great events that

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we have coming up in the fall to celebrate fate we thank you for your

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blessing on that event and pray for your divine protection and I know that you smile

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when your children have fellowship and have good times and we celebrate those things and

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we just ask for your protection on our children as they go back to school. Lord, we thank

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you for our first responders and our people that serve the city and protect us Lord from

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Evil Lord your word taught us to pray deliver us from evil. So we come against anything that

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The the enemy has planned against this city and we pray your hand of protection your divine providence over

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Over the city council tonight as they make decisions that will affect the future of this city

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And we give you glory and we give you honor and we thank you Lord

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We don't take lightly we thank you for our freedom Lord that all the

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people that fight for our country have laid down for us and we thank you for

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that we celebrate our veterans and we thank you for everything that Lord you've

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established in this nation we thank you for a nation that's one nation under God

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we give you glory and honor and praise tonight in Jesus name amen all

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right

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next please agenda item 3a presentation of employee spot spotlight

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award to Robert Highfield.

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Mr. Wells, come on up.

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Right as our planning director.

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I'm sorry. Good evening. Mayor and council, everyone in the audience. Robbie, can you come

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up please? So I came to the city of fate two and a half years ago and Robbie here was holding

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down the fort as a young, just out of graduate school planner managing the department in the

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absence of my predecessor. And I have to say over the last two and a half years, Robbie

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has really blossomed into a very skilled, very passionate and knowledgeable planner.

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And with over a decade of experience myself, I'd say one of the best planners that I've

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had the pleasure of working with. And I mean that truthfully. I enjoy working with

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I know that he brings a sense of humor and a wit to our department and a whole wing that we can all enjoy.

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And I was unhesitant in myself, nominating him for this award as well as staff from our finance department, utility building department,

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also nominated him for the award today.

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We all just really appreciate his presence and his contributions and he definitely deserves this award that we're handing him today.

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I do.

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I'll press the switch.

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I don't know if you wanted to say anything.

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You're mad at me with words.

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There you go.

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6B is the TML.

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right, next please.

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Agenda item 3B, never give up day proclamation.

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All right, see if I can get this.

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Jenna, I'm correct tonight.

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We're out of the city faith proudly joins community members and celebrate and never give up day on August 18, 2023, and we're asked never get update is by inspiring others motivate ourselves and remember even hard time we keep going.

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And we're asked, never give up days, focus on cultivating a mindset of determination to

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help people get through difficult challenges.

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And we're asked, never give up days, an opportunity to recognize faith citizens who teach incredible

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lessons of life, dignity, courage, but never give up in the face of sickness, adversity,

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injustice, grief, mourning, or death.

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And we're asked, the city of Faye recognizes, never give up day, and its positive influence

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for people across the community, either for David Billings, Mayor of Faye, Texas,

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on the behalf of the city council do proclaim August 18th 2023 has never

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get give up in the city of a fate and call upon the citizen of the faith to

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unite as a city support one another in our journeys exemplify hope determination

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unwavering support next

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please item four is public comment all right so here's

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what we're going to do tonight with the council permission we're going to move

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We have six F to the first item, six A any objections to that in the council?

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Okay, so we're going to allow public comment during section four for item six F or on any

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I'm going to remind you tonight we have a public speaking policy.

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I will not tolerate anybody any directory comments.

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If you cross that line, I will ask you to sit down.

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If I ask you to sit down or I warn you, please do that because you're in violation of the policy, I'm just not going to tolerate it tonight.

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And so three minutes, that's it tonight.

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When the bail rings wrap up, I'm not going to have much leeway after three minutes.

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We'll be the public speakers tonight.

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That's fair.

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I think it's going to be state law and I want to make sure this is civil, professional.

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As we gather to make decisions tonight. Any questions council?

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All right. Next please.

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Okay. Consent agenda.

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Public comment first.

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Okay. We're going to hear them during this portion of the meeting.

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Okay. I'm so sorry.

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So I have about six people for Agenda Item 6F, first being Joanne Yacht, address 808 Horton

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Street.

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I'm Joanne Yacht, and I live at 808 Horton Street.

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This is huge for faith.

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Ms. Wilson is a clever one.

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First she ignores the law to register as a sex offender.

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Then she buys property in an area that she is fully aware of, is close to where

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In fact, she said so in her letter to this group. When she's caught, now, mind you,

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she didn't own up to being again that she hadn't registered. Someone found her on the

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Internet and reported it. Then, all of a sudden, she's got this sob story.

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to set a dangerous precedent.

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Well, that 13-year-old she's sadimized

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hasn't received an exemption.

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I'm a retired nurse and I've also co-authored

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medical journal articles and I'm aware of studies

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that show he will have to deal with the after effects

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of this his entire life.

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She was imprisoned for sadimizing him.

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But often you are convicted of, they just didn't convict you of all the things that may have happened, so we don't know.

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These kids suffer a lifetime of psychological, physical health, and problems, horrible problems,

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and often engage in very dangerous behaviors themselves, like deviant sexual behaviors, self-abuse.

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their lives are forever affected.

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Her house is 100 feet from a park where children gather.

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We cannot let her play dumb about what she didn't, didn't know,

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and why she didn't obey the law in the first place about the restrictions.

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After all, she was on a sex offender list when she got out of prison.

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She knew what the restrictions were in other states.

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why would she think they weren't here in Texas, where we have a death penalty, for God's

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sakes? Don't let her play dumb. And remember, that boy didn't get an exemption.

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She did not register when she moved here for a big reason. It was an ignorance

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of the laws. She didn't want anyone to know about her past. Thank you.

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I'm here tonight acknowledging that we're not here to try the offender, but what we are here to do, and as well as all of our neighbors and citizens here, is to make sure that the ordinance that we have in place that was put in place on the 6th of March, 2023.

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3 is understood and upheld. I think that Joanne covered some very good points. Other points

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that I think are important to note is that DPS has a duty and an obligation to protect

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and serve. Protect and serve sometimes isn't easy. We have high expectations and we expect

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them to meet those expectations. These situations come up because someone tried to beat the

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system. Someone came in and made a decision without doing due diligence contrary to what

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was said. Due diligence means that you make a decision that's informed and that you

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have full understanding of. That didn't happen. What I want to point out is that

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There's information that was provided in the packet that was posted online for us to view.

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And I'm sure that it's hard for some of that information to be shared.

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But as a mother, as a friend, as a concerned member of society,

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I have neighbor children in my neighborhood that it's my duty to look out for and protect,

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and I would do the same for your children.

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Having said that, I was quite disturbed that I kind of got in on this on the tail end.

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Everybody was kind of going and I was too busy that I didn't know to look online.

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When I look and make a couple discoveries I was bothered.

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We're given information with regard to aliases and upon checking to measure the distance from points,

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It's kind of hard actually, but I discovered she has another alias as Elizabeth Thorson.

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Her property is registered in ARCAD under a name that was not disclosed to FATE DPS.

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Did I call them today when I discovered this?

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I did not because I simply didn't have time.

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It's not that I'm withholding, but you can look it up on ARCAD and see that's

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new name. She's made relationships as Elizabeth Thorson, not as Elizabeth Wilson, not as any

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of the other names. Any judgment of what happened has been done over the last 30 years. But

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from here forward, we are the smallest town in the smallest county in the second largest

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state in the U.S., uphold the ordinance, and thank you for your time.

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Next please. Next speaker, Karen Kaiser, address 1093 North Churchill.

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Mayor,

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counsel, Karen Kaiser 1093 North Churchill. To hit my time I'm going to read

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this to be efficient, but we all know that we're here because Ms. Wilson, the

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applicant seeks exemption from our ordinance 2021-029 and it's easy to

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to find on our website. If you find it, it's easy to read it and understand it. It's a two

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minute Google away from anyone that would seek it. Certainly reasonable that you

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You would seek it out before moving here if you have the applicants facts, but whether

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she did or didn't isn't the issue before you, as I see it.

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To grant Ms. Wilson this exemption, you must find that our ordinance doesn't apply to her

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so she's not bound by it, and I don't see how that's possible, given the applicants

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She is a convicted, registered sex offender and her victim was a 13-year-old child.

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And that's all I read as the evidence required.

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Convicted sex offender, registered, doesn't matter Texas, Virginia or California, I don't think.

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Are you on the national registry?

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It clearly indicates when you are and that you have lifetime reporting.

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So I see no discretion in the decision before you.

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Like I said, not knowing about it doesn't give you a pass.

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Buying a home without doing any proper inquiry,

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her choice doesn't give you a pass,

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and it has nothing to do with, oh, debts paid to society,

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she's qualified for security clearances, donated blood,

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on and on and on. It's not about a human being being a productive citizen or a

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nice person. It's are you this? Did you do this? And was your victim? Our code of

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ordinances even says if the victim was under 16, it's prima facie evidence you

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done. And here we have a 13-year-old child. I'm the grandmother of a 13-year-old

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boy. He's a kid. He's a little kid. But lastly I wanted to say that for the

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In the last 15 years, the applicant could have applied to the State of Virginia

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to get deregistered. And if she had done that, we wouldn't be sitting here, because

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she would be exempt from our ordinance. But I see no evidence that that was done.

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I don't think she runs out of time to do it, but that's where this needs to go,

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is if you don't want these things to apply to you I don't know what the

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criteria is don't want to know but go to Virginia asked to get deregistered it's

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never again an event in your life but here in Faith City Hall that can't be

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granted thank you next place next Ryan to me address 628 bunker bunker Hill

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I'm going to keep this short and sweet, but anyways, I just want to bring to the tension

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that it is a felony not to register as a sex offender punishable by jail time the discussion

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we are having tonight shouldn't even be happening until she sees her day in court and possibly

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another round in prison?

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Excuse me, I have no patience tonight for this.

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I have none for any agreement or alters.

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So let's make sure we don't do that.

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Go ahead, sir, please.

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Sir, go ahead.

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So anyways, let's not even consider the exemption

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for somebody who is trying to play the system

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and avoiding registering as a sex offender

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breaking the law by not registering the action we need to take regarding this

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matter is not granting an exemption or not granting but having her arrested for

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not registering and let a judge decide her consequences not us that's all I got

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to say about that thank you thank you please next speaker Patty Matledge

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address 267 Callaghan Drive.

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Patty Mallish, 267 Callaghan Drive, Lake Texas.

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I too am going to read so I can get within my three minutes.

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So I'm going to go quickly.

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For the record, I strongly oppose the request for exemption

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by Ms. Wilson, who is currently residing within 2,000 feet

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of where children gather.

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Additionally, after review of the documents attached

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to Nile's agenda, there seem to be various discrepancies

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which should prohibit the exemption from being granted.

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As a former paralegal, one of the things I was taught

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is that when viewing statements was to look for words to stand out,

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upon review of Ms. Wilson's statement,

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number two's response is, and I quote,

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my grave error in judgment involved only one victim,

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my non-blood male relative.

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The operative word in that sentence is only.

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She uses the term to lessen her crime.

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For example, one might say,

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I only shot one person or I only killed one person.

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Sadly, the term only should never apply to that 13-year-old boy

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who must live within the memories and reality of being sexually molested

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by her for the rest of his life.

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In the DPS registry, I found that there's three offenders, and there's some things on

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there that are here in FAPE.

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And one of the things that you have to fill in is about risk level, and it's low, moderate,

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and high.

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None of ours seem to have that.

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And I want to know, basically, who is accountable to get that information into DPS?

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Who puts in that risk level, because none of ours show that?

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And I've got copies of other ones that I just randomly picked the name, and it showed up high, low, moderate.

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None of ours do.

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And then the final issue is the timeline of events.

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Sorry, I've got a cough.

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December 22nd, purchased a home.

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February 2023, fully occupied.

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May of 2023 was registration.

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June 13, 2023 is verification.

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My belief on this, the clock started running in December of 2022 when she purchased a home.

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As a sex offender, she should have familiarized herself with the Texas and city fate laws prior to purchasing the home.

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Based upon Chapter 62 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, the registrant must be completed

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no later than the latter of two things.

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The seventh day, the date of the offender arrives in the municipality or county, and

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to the first date that the local law enforcement authority of the municipality or county policy

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allows a person to register.

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Unfortunately, I don't know what the city of fate policy is regarding timely registration.

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I didn't have time to look it up one once in its so I asked where is the city of fate stand on enforcing this law of

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Tom Lee registration of a sex offender since it appears that she failed time to Tom Lee register. Thank you

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Next speaker mark Hattley address 267 Callaghan Drive

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You know the drill good evening, and this is Mark Hattley 267 Callaghan Drive and fate

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I'm also

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opposed to granting this exemption, it might be easy for everybody to look and

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look at her gender and go, well, we've seen members of the media actually kind of,

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you know, said there's a difference between when a man and a woman commits

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this crime. It's the same crime. And if you open the door and grant her this

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exemption with that bias in your head that she may not be as dangerous

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because she's a woman. What you're doing is you're leaving that door open for a man to

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come in here and reversing that situation. And it's the same crime. A man at that age

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molesting a 13-year-old girl.

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I understand there's arguments that have been made about,

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you know, well, we need, you know, we should make accommodations where an exception to

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where they can live because faith's a small town and we have a lot of areas where

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children can gather. It's not our job to do that. We have laws. We have an American

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with Disabilities Act. That is a federal law that protects and makes accommodations

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for people who have disabilities and, quote, unquote, handicaps that we have to make

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accommodations for those. Those are not people that have offended. Those are

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people who, by no fault of their own, have had things happen to them that we

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need to do this. There is no such thing as an Americans who commit sexual abuse accommodation

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acts. We just don't have to go do it. And there's no law I'm aware of that says that

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are we supposed to check with the state every time we build a park or anything that we

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do to make predator safe zones, former checks for sex offender zones. I'm not a parent.

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I'm here speaking on behalf in support, not in behalf, I'm in support of parents and do this.

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I believe as an adult, even one without parents, it's my responsibility, adult's responsibility to protect children.

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And absolutely, that's what I'm here for. I've seen so much, talked to so many people who are so outraged over this.

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And I urge you to please do not consider her gender in this and treat her as though she is everybody.

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The law says equal treatment under the law, equal justice for under the law.

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So that's all I have to say.

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Thank you and I hope you'll give that good consideration.

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Thank you.

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Next please.

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The next two speakers want to speak on agenda item 6B, which has to do with the resolution

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to TML on zoning reform, first being Sharon Tooley, 171 Chamberlain Drive.

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We

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can go with Karen Kaiser, address 1093 North Churchill.

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Karen Kaiser, 1093 North Churchill, Mayor Counsel, thank you for bringing this resolution forth.

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I sure hope you agree to send it forth to the Texas Municipal League.

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If I'm understanding it correctly, it lessens the opportunity for a super majority to be needed,

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And I think that's a good thing for the city of faith to ever get anything done

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Simple majority is good enough for the United States

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Supreme Court, so I think we can work with it here, too

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And if there's more to this that I'm missing I hope you'll talk about it a little bit

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It was an interesting part of your pocket. Anyway, thank you

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Sharon to Lee address 171 Chamberlain drive

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Sharon Tuley, I still live at 171 Chamberlain Drive in Texas, thank you.

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Just a couple quick notes on this.

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I believe that keeping a simple majority as well is good, but the only concern I have

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is, and it could be a lack of my understanding, so take that at hand, under financial

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considerations it says zoning reforms will reduce the cost of housing by increasing

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the overall supply of housing units in the DFW Metroflex and in urban areas around the

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State, which means it's going to lower the price for existing homes, so people that currently

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have a home, what they can gain by selling their home would be less in an oversupply?

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No?

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No.

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So what we'll do is we're going to get an item who will talk to those specific areas.

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Perfect.

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There's specific strategy around that, and it's by new, but we'll talk about

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Okay. Thank you. And that's what I wanted to clarify. Okay. Thank you. We'll definitely do that. Okay.

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All right. Meals on that one. That is it. Now, I did receive emails from various citizens that I forwarded to the council as we received those 26 as of 5.59 p.m.

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Okay. And those were in opposition to the extension. Thank you. All right. Next, please. Next is Item 5, Consent Agenda.

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Any comments, questions that I can send, and just one quick reminder for the public before we get started, I forgot to do this, so we have states council members tonight, anything that's street three, it will be denied according to the rules of order.

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So it takes a majority, a tie is not a majority, so we don't have, we have an evening council tonight, so I just want to make sure that's clear to the public.

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It doesn't come to a lot of meetings coming forward.

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Okay.

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Any questions, comments?

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That's for you, Jim.

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Any questions, comment by consent agenda?

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I don't think I can do the vote for this.

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All right, take a motion, please.

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I make a motion, we accept the consent agenda.

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I motion to vote.

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I'll second.

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Okay, please vote.

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Motion passes 6-0.

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Next, please.

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Okay, it's my understanding we're going to now move to agenda item 6-F.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Okay, so the way we-

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Okay, agenda item 6-F.

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Discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding a request for an exemption from the regulations of Article 3, Chapter 18 of the City of Fate Code of Ordinances related to the residency limitations for certain sex offenders inside the City of Fate.

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All right. So how's this going to work tonight? We're going to have the applicant that's going to for a talk. She has some group of people that want to talk with me, and they're kind of do that once they're done speaking.

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We'll do council questions.

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I think it'd be easier just at the end instead of one by one.

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And then after that, we'll entertain a motion, have a second,

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and then we'll have any further discussion for them.

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Is that sound clear to council?

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It's not for the applicant.

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Okay, John, you want to start us off?

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Sure. Thank you, Mayor and Council.

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The item before you tonight is to consider an application

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for an exemption from the Child Safety Zone

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or residency restriction for certain sex offenders.

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This is not for all sex offenders.

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This is just for those where the victim is considered a minor under law and so in our ordinance

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This has been an ordinance that we've had on the book since 2000

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And in that ordinance, it allows someone who is affected by it, someone who would be normally restricted out from living in a certain area, to request for an exemption from the city council.

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So it's a very public process while we're here tonight. And those child safety zones are measured 2,000 feet from any premises, the property line where someone is residing or looking to reside.

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and it cannot be within 2,000 feet of a place where children commonly gather.

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This could be a daycare, a park, depending on the type of business,

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whether it's just a place where children commonly gather.

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And so there are playground schools, daycare facilities, et cetera.

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So our ordinance specifically names a couple, but it's not limited to that.

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It's up to the council to decide.

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And we've recently updated our child safety zone map within the last couple of months

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to include some additional park spaces and things like that.

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So, we received the application from Ms. Wilson

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and so Mayor at this point in time.

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Yeah, just one more comment if you don't mind, we'll go ahead.

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So just a reminder for the public,

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so this is, we've been trying the state level

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to get the laws clarified

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and so just a reminder to the public.

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So one thing is, state law does not mandate

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a child safety zone in the state of Texas

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for general law cities.

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It may shell, it says may,

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The county's have no authority to establish a child safety zone in the county, which does not mean a city of fate.

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You literally could live in the county a hundred feet from Joe Burger Park across the street and we couldn't stop it.

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Mud districts have no authority to establish child safety zones either.

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So as you build out the county, you build out private cities, you have no authority to do this either.

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The state legislature has, on the 86th session, 87th session,

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the 80th session has chosen not to address this issue.

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Two bills were induced last year.

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I testified on one of them.

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HB 2560 was left pending in county fairs.

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I'll give Justin Hollman credit for that,

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but he did actually co-sponsor the bill,

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or co-author the bill, I think it is.

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SB 2160, state bill, I think it was King,

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did not even see the hearing.

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So it's not a prior, so I'm going to make sure

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I'm going to stand.

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And the city of Fayette has gone, but we thought the state law did not cover for our jurisdiction.

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And since 2006, we had two down the fever a really long time here.

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So there is a hole in state law by a lot.

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And it's really unfortunate that we can get state reps to fix the gapping holes they have here and

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get the consistent center across the state of Texas.

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And that's what we really need.

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This is a state issue, not a city issue, but since the state won't address it, we did.

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But if you want to talk about pramsion, pramsion stuff, they should ramp this and create one

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standard with the courts on how they do this and not how each city do it.

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Peace mail is just, peace mail across the state right now.

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And faithfulness, if you want to have them, by the way, so just for the record, that's what state law is,

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what we're doing here tonight.

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Applicant, do you want to come up, please?

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Thank you.

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First, I'd like to thank the mayor and the council for giving me-

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I'm sorry, you're naming that question.

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Oh, sorry.

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Elizabeth Wilson 103, Katie Street.

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I'd like to thank the mayor and the council

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for giving me time to talk to this exemption.

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There are just a few details that I'd like to address

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during the public comment.

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I do not have any aliases.

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My name is Legally Elizabeth Wilson.

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I am married to Lole Forson,

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but I did not Legally change my name.

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I do not go by Elizabeth Thorson.

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I do not want it to seem like I have aliases

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that I'm trying to do something in the back door with.

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I also do want to say that I did do my due diligence.

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In Virginia, and I understand this not Virginia,

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but that's where I have the experience of 30 years,

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all of the requirements by sex offender registries

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are done at the state level.

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To the mayor's point, there is no state level requirement for child safety zones.

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So when I did my due diligence, I looked up on the state website.

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I did not see my offense listed.

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So that's why I assumed I did not need to register.

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And I did not see any stipulation for child safety zones at the state level.

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Otherwise, everything that I have to say is in my packet.

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I think I was very thorough.

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I think I've addressed the main issue, I believe,

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with the county, with the council is child safety.

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I think my 30 years speaks to how I feel about child safety

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by not only not offending again as a sex offender,

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but having no other criminal activity.

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Next, please.

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Do you have a seat?

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Okay.

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Good evening, Mayor Billings and other members of the City Council.

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My name is Richard Gladden, and I don't have the good fortune of living in fate.

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I actually live in Denton, Texas, and my attorney, my address is 1822 West Oakland.

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As an attorney, I've been involved in sex offender registration issues and residency

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restrictions since about 2005.

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I've had probably over 100 cases, I've argued cases in the Fifth Circuit Court of

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of appeals, the United States Court of Appeals, and elsewhere, but I'm not here to talk to

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you about the law. I'm here to talk to you about what is not uncommon in these kind of

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proceedings is that this is a very emotionally charged issue. I don't think anyone would

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dispute that the safety and protection of our children is foremost among all of our

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concerns, those of the persons who are parents. What I think is unfortunate is a lot of people

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don't understand exactly what the issue is. What the issue is with registration as well

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as residency restrictions is you want to measure a risk and balance the risk with

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the facts or compare the risks of the facts.

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Mr. Stephen Finstein, who is a sex offender treatment

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provider, is going to talk to you more

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about what he knows academically.

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But over the course of roughly 20 years that I've been doing

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this, I've learned some things too

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that some of them would surprise me.

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We know from studies done by the United States

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Department of Justice, as well as law enforcement,

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criminal justice academics. There's been roughly over 100 studies down about recidivism. That is the

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propensity of someone to offend again. And not specific, Mr. Finstein is going to talk to you

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specifically about Elizabeth and his evaluation that he's done with her. But some of the things

449
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things most people don't understand is, is someone who, first of all, 97% of all sex

450
00:37:36,780 --> 00:37:41,220
offenses against children are committed by people who have never been registered as sex

451
00:37:41,220 --> 00:37:51,140
offenders. The remaining 3%, according to the FBI, 95% of those persons are immediate

452
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:55,100
family members, are very close friends of the family. We're not talking about

453
00:37:55,100 --> 00:38:00,260
stranger danger the scientific research shows that sex offenses connected

454
00:38:00,260 --> 00:38:05,960
with children can be uncles and granddads, stepmothers, stepfathers, things of

455
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:15,600
that nature. Going even within that 3%, it's undisputed that someone who's been

456
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,880
once encountered the criminal justice system for commission of a sex

457
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:26,040
offense against a child. If they go without reoffending for 20 years, they actually have

458
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:33,540
a less, they pose a less likelihood of committing a sex offense than someone who's never been

459
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:38,220
accused of committing a sex offense. That's me and I assume everyone on the city council.

460
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,800
In this case, we've got someone who's been over 30 years since her commission of a sex

461
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,200
offense.

462
00:38:47,220 --> 00:38:53,920
That's more than 20 years. And I realized there's kind of a tendency for

463
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,620
people to want to think once a sex offender, always a sex offender. And

464
00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:03,620
that's just not true. Criminal justice researchers and Justice Department all

465
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:09,720
have refuted that. People can get treatment. People don't have life

466
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:17,220
long obsessions or compulsions. They don't have sex, they don't commit sex offenses against

467
00:39:17,220 --> 00:39:22,100
children if they don't already know them. This is not the stranger danger McGruff stuff.

468
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:29,280
They came back, came up back in the 80s. Now, the reason why you have, and the issue

469
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,620
before you, is to what degree there's a risk to the community by allowing Elizabeth

470
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:37,100
with living her home with her husband.

471
00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:43,780
I submit to you that based upon Mr. Finstein's discussion

472
00:39:43,780 --> 00:39:46,840
with you that he'll follow me, you're

473
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,520
going to have to find not only that there's

474
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880
no such thing as zero risk, every one of us

475
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,460
poses something more than zero.

476
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:56,260
But in relative terms, what you're

477
00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:59,460
going to find out is she poses less risk of offending

478
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:02,300
against a child than anyone of you up here on the dice,

479
00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:04,180
because she's been through the treatment,

480
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:10,040
It's been 30 years without reoffending, and so if you're talking about risk, which is

481
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,100
really the reason why you have this exemption ordinance, I think you're going to have to

482
00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:23,080
say unless we just want to engage in vindictiveness or do something that actually courts of all

483
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,720
said is unconstitutional, is impose an additional or double or multiple penalties after she's

484
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,520
already been convicted, I think you're going to have to say that the risk does

485
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,900
not justifying, denying her exemption.

486
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:42,700
One other thing I would tell you is the Justice Department and dozens and dozens, in fact I'd

487
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:51,220
submit a consensus of the scientific research is that residency restrictions actually make

488
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:52,580
children less safe.

489
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,580
That sounds counterintuitive, but there's a reason for that, why all these studies

490
00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:04,140
going back to the early 90s continuing even as recently as more than or barely a

491
00:41:04,140 --> 00:41:09,240
month or so ago is that when people who've committed sex offenses try to

492
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:15,820
reintegrate to society if they can't get stable housing and a support system

493
00:41:15,820 --> 00:41:20,220
with their friends and family and be able to be nearby where they can go

494
00:41:20,220 --> 00:41:25,400
see counselors if you just throw them out under a bridge which is what they

495
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:32,880
do in Florida, that creates an instability where someone who ordinarily would not pose

496
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:39,720
much if any threat to children. It can trigger them into engaging into recidivism. And that's

497
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:43,660
not according to me. That's according to the United States Justice Department. But

498
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:49,880
nobody knows that. Everybody thinks they're making children safer by having not a thousand

499
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:59,040
foot ordinance, but a 2,000 foot ordinance. That's not the way it works. And I would actually

500
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,600
say that if you want to endanger your kids,

501
00:42:06,100 --> 00:42:09,820
then I suppose that this might be a good ordinance

502
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:15,860
to strictly enforce and maybe enforce without exceptions. And I've been kind of cautioned

503
00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:17,620
that I'm not here to badger y'all

504
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:19,240
or complain about your ordinance,

505
00:42:19,420 --> 00:42:20,920
I'm just here to support the exemption.

506
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:23,800
And I think for Elizabeth, in her case,

507
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:25,380
if you're ever gonna have an exemption

508
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,940
and you measure it on risk,

509
00:42:28,140 --> 00:42:30,100
which is the reason why that's in,

510
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,700
the exemption is in your ordinance in the first place,

511
00:42:33,140 --> 00:42:34,680
you gotta base it on risk.

512
00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:37,840
And when you do, you're gonna find

513
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:40,640
that if anybody should get an exemption,

514
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:41,540
it should be hers.

515
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:49,620
In our society, I don't think you measure someone's life by the one worst mistake they ever made.

516
00:42:51,420 --> 00:42:54,200
But if you deny this, that's basically what you're saying.

517
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,300
Think of what the worst thing y'all have ever done.

518
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,840
Would you want to be measured your entire life by the worst thing you ever did?

519
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,820
I don't think so. That wouldn't be fair to you, and it wouldn't be fair to Elizabeth.

520
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,980
So I urge you to grant the exemption, and I would call the next speaker up, Mr. Finsley.

521
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:12,180
Okay, thank you. Who's next, please?

522
00:43:14,620 --> 00:43:15,020
Mayor,

523
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:22,090
would you explain the time limit? Because we have some questions going on out there in the audience.

524
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:27,830
We've only had a passive public comment period. They had a chance to sign up before the meeting.

525
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:32,250
These are not subject to the three-metre time. No, I'm giving them all the time they need.

526
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:42,050
Good evening. Good evening, Mayor, members of the City Council. My name is Stephen Finstein. I am a forensic mental health

527
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:55,050
Evaluator and consultant. My office is in Dallas. My home is in Garland, Texas. I've been in practice for 55 years. I don't know where that time went, to be honest with you.

528
00:43:55,410 --> 00:44:06,190
But it's been a long time. And my focus is on evaluating and treating individuals who have been convicted of sexual offenses.

529
00:44:06,190 --> 00:44:08,930
So that's the focus of my practice.

530
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:11,370
It has been for quite a number of years.

531
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:16,870
I believe that you all have my evaluation report in your packet.

532
00:44:17,530 --> 00:44:20,590
And I hope you would agree that it's pretty thorough.

533
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:21,570
It's detailed.

534
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:25,570
It's the same type of evaluation that I would do

535
00:44:25,570 --> 00:44:30,270
with any case, even if it was a new case that just came

536
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:32,270
up, you know, last week or last month,

537
00:44:32,330 --> 00:44:34,630
even though in the case of Mrs. Wilson,

538
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:37,210
and the offense took place 30 years ago,

539
00:44:37,710 --> 00:44:40,130
but basically the process is the same.

540
00:44:40,730 --> 00:44:43,350
I look at several risk factors.

541
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:46,570
I look at mental health factors, number one,

542
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:52,250
looking for mental health propensities and disorders

543
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:56,990
that might increase an individual's risk to offend.

544
00:44:57,790 --> 00:44:59,870
Secondly, I look at sexual health.

545
00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:07,870
Factors that may increase an individual's risk to offend, such as sexual preoccupation or

546
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:13,010
paraphernalia. Parapheria means a deviant sexual interest, that sort of thing.

547
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:24,350
The third thing I look at is I try to apply published scientifically valid risk assessment

548
00:45:24,350 --> 00:45:32,770
tools to these situations. In the case of Mrs. Wilson, I was able to identify two such

549
00:45:32,770 --> 00:45:38,710
tools that I could use that apply to females, because most of the tools that are out there

550
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:44,750
do apply to males, frankly. But there were two that I could use, and I included those

551
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:51,070
in my report. And then I look at other factors such as research and a length of time,

552
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:54,030
you

553
00:45:54,030 --> 00:45:59,750
that sort of thing. So I do want to explain to you simply that Mrs. Wilson was very open

554
00:45:59,750 --> 00:46:06,690
and transparent. She's given me permission, 100% permission to share any information

555
00:46:07,210 --> 00:46:09,770
with the members of the Dallas City Council.

556
00:46:12,570 --> 00:46:16,850
I'm sorry, we're in fate, aren't we? Okay.

557
00:46:16,850 --> 00:46:20,070
I've been in front of the Dallas City Council once or twice.

558
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:25,230
I'm glad to be here rather than Dallas, actually.

559
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:33,440
Again she has been fence free for 30 years.

560
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:39,140
She is, in my opinion, very well rehabilitated.

561
00:46:40,340 --> 00:46:48,560
My license boards prohibit me from stating that anyone presents zero risk as Mr.

562
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:58,820
Mr. Gladden said, however, the research shows that essentially her risk of offending and

563
00:46:58,820 --> 00:47:05,220
harming anyone in the community of fate or anywhere else has basically been extinguished

564
00:47:05,650 --> 00:47:11,760
because of primarily due to the length of time she's been offence-free in the community.

565
00:47:14,190 --> 00:47:17,880
I want to leave it open for any questions you may have for me.

566
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:24,000
but I'd just like to end and summarize by saying if you all are looking for a good bet,

567
00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:29,800
then I would say Mrs. Wilson is the closest thing to a sure thing you're going to find.

568
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:34,100
Okay. Thank you. So just a clarification real quick is if I state law a public comment

569
00:47:34,100 --> 00:47:38,720
stream and its application of applicants for any topic, to the matter of topic,

570
00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:42,440
get time to explain the counsel, that's just the way the state law works here.

571
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:47,780
So, that's just, that's just, so I have applicant for any developer, applicant for whatever,

572
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,580
right, has the same right to speak a lot if they want to, and you guys keep it in.

573
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:52,340
A big apartment.

574
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:57,160
I just want to clarify that, I understand, public comment is dictated by state law three

575
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,440
minutes, right, that's how this works.

576
00:48:00,260 --> 00:48:04,980
Applicants, like for any project, any, this or development projects or anything, have

577
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,560
a limited time to talk to them if they want to talk.

578
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,740
We've had half our presentation by developers here, so that's why, that's why I,

579
00:48:11,740 --> 00:48:13,740
I'm sorry that we're doing what we did.

580
00:48:13,940 --> 00:48:15,300
So next please, so clarify.

581
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:25,400
Hi, my name's Lowell Thorson.

582
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,080
I've been married to Elizabeth Wilson for five years.

583
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:32,920
I'm sorry, name, your address please.

584
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,940
Oh, I'm sorry, 103 KD Street.

585
00:48:35,140 --> 00:48:35,400
Thank you.

586
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,900
Known her for actually since 2008

587
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:43,080
when we both worked at Lockheed Martin.

588
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:54,960
Elizabeth is a wonderful wife, a wonderful mother, a wonderful grandmother, to my, by blood,

589
00:48:56,260 --> 00:49:00,640
granddaughter and grandson, and a wonderful neighbor.

590
00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:10,330
Our move to Texas was supposed to be, or has always been planned to be, a movement

591
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:13,550
to our retirement city.

592
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:19,550
We visited a lot of different houses,

593
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:22,390
and the house in Katie, at Katie Street,

594
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:24,190
fit everything we wanted,

595
00:49:26,090 --> 00:49:33,510
proximity to grocery home improvement stores,

596
00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:38,690
and also it has a great Internet capability.

597
00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:41,490
We have a one gig, and we both work from home,

598
00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,810
which we definitely need the one gig.

599
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:50,410
Since we've been here, moved in,

600
00:49:50,570 --> 00:49:52,310
we've accomplished a bunch of different projects

601
00:49:52,310 --> 00:49:55,470
to upgrade our home.

602
00:50:01,430 --> 00:50:02,550
The prox...

603
00:50:02,550 --> 00:50:04,210
Well, sorry, skipped.

604
00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:10,300
We've cut down six cedar trees

605
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:13,740
to improve the look of our also

606
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:22,800
planted trees to improve our backyard and we have

607
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,580
moved more

608
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:35,600
than 11,000 pounds of home goods when we moved here.

609
00:50:38,780 --> 00:50:43,440
We've upgraded to impact resistant shingles

610
00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:46,060
and we've also,

611
00:50:51,610 --> 00:50:52,050
spacing,

612
00:51:01,850 --> 00:51:06,330
oh, we also had gutters installed, sorry, a little brain lock there.

613
00:51:09,370 --> 00:51:14,810
I'm here representing my wife and my family, meaning me.

614
00:51:17,490 --> 00:51:24,110
I don't want to have to move again. It's going to be, it was very painful, our last move.

615
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:28,710
I was in the military, so most of my moves were accomplished by the military.

616
00:51:29,570 --> 00:51:39,690
Moving here, packing our own stuff, having a trucked out here was extremely difficult and very costly.

617
00:51:40,490 --> 00:51:46,810
And I really don't want to have to continue working to pay for another move in a new house.

618
00:51:47,710 --> 00:51:48,150
Thank you.

619
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,080
Okay, thank you.

620
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:52,180
Lance, you want to start?

621
00:51:53,260 --> 00:51:57,320
Mr. Finstein, I have a question for you.

622
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:08,440
In your report, you reference a study by Carl Hansen.

623
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:09,020
Yes.

624
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,740
Could you go into a little bit about what that study entailed?

625
00:52:13,620 --> 00:52:15,860
Yes, that's a very important study.

626
00:52:15,860 --> 00:52:25,540
It's a study regarding recidivism, it means relapse, it's basically a desistence study.

627
00:52:25,820 --> 00:52:34,980
So desistence refers to the time it takes for an individual to stop committing offenses.

628
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:45,120
And what Dr. Hansen, who is really kind of the national and worldwide expert on these

629
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:52,300
matters what he and his colleagues have determined, is that when an individual commits

630
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:58,440
a sexual offense and they're free in the community and they desist from reoffending

631
00:52:58,910 --> 00:53:06,420
for 20 years, that basically extinguishes their risk of future offending.

632
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:25,290
report to us and understand this is all covered by HIPAA laws, and we can't get into the details

633
00:53:25,290 --> 00:53:32,010
of what it is, but in your professional opinion, how many of these do you think you've done

634
00:53:32,010 --> 00:53:32,850
in your 50 years?

635
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:35,250
I'm sorry, we've-

636
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:35,950
Evaluations.

637
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:37,810
How many evaluations have you done?

638
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:40,190
How many evaluations I've done in 55 years?

639
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:40,490
Yes.

640
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:44,290
Well, certainly hundreds, and I'm thinking it would be in the thousands, actually.

641
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:44,710
In the thousands?

642
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:53,350
And also in your recommendation, you specifically state in here that you believe that Ms. Wilson

643
00:53:53,350 --> 00:53:54,850
is fully rehabilitated.

644
00:53:56,290 --> 00:53:57,190
Is that true?

645
00:53:57,310 --> 00:54:00,790
Yes, I do believe she is absolutely rehabilitated.

646
00:54:01,730 --> 00:54:02,110
Okay.

647
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:09,390
Ms. Wilson, I have a question for you regarding your public trust and your other security

648
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:09,750
clearance.

649
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:11,830
What was your other security clearance that you currently hold?

650
00:54:12,270 --> 00:54:12,910
Excuse me?

651
00:54:12,910 --> 00:54:15,670
Your other security clearance that you hold beside your public trust?

652
00:54:16,090 --> 00:54:18,410
I hold a Department of Defense secret clearance.

653
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:25,690
So you do have a secret clearance. Do you know what is entailed, how far back they go in doing the secret clearance?

654
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:37,650
Yes, they go back 10 years from the initial, and I've also gone through, every 10 years they reinvestigate, and I've gone through one of those.

655
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:43,630
So if I surmise your question, I receive my security clearance after I offended.

656
00:54:44,110 --> 00:54:44,770
After you offended?

657
00:54:45,130 --> 00:54:45,230
Yes, sir.

658
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:47,610
So you've been back the first time.

659
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:50,410
How often do they redo your security clearance?

660
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:51,390
Ten years.

661
00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:54,350
So basically you've had 20 years of background investigation.

662
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:54,670
Yes.

663
00:54:55,310 --> 00:55:01,410
And had any criminal charges or anything been put up, U.S. investigative services

664
00:55:01,410 --> 00:55:02,930
surely would have found that out, right?

665
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:03,610
Yes, sir.

666
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:07,650
Okay, have you ever false, well, if you have it,

667
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:09,290
you certainly have a falsified information

668
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:10,330
on your security finances.

669
00:55:13,030 --> 00:55:16,610
You know, I've spent a lot of time over the last week

670
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,600
considering this case, considering what's going on,

671
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,120
and like everybody else, I am a father,

672
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:28,380
I have two daughters,

673
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:32,570
and the last thing I wanna see

674
00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:38,750
is any child molested for whatever reason, whether that is through a sexual

675
00:55:38,750 --> 00:55:46,510
offense or whether that's through child abuse or child neglect. And I've had,

676
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:55,780
I've talked to to my pastor at length about this the other day or yesterday at

677
00:55:55,780 --> 00:56:04,820
I've talked to numerous people around that I know that I take advice from.

678
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:13,380
And a couple of questions that have come up in my mind is, as the mayor has stated,

679
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:18,260
the state law and the county law are pretty poor.

680
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:22,640
And whether the citizens of fate know this or not,

681
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,740
But we have some doughnut holes in the middle of our city that are not considered part of

682
00:56:27,740 --> 00:56:28,180
our city.

683
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:34,080
And I mean smack dab in the middle of our city, right across from Joe Berger Park, where

684
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:39,260
is an offender or somebody could be living in that and there's not a blessed thing

685
00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:40,340
that we can do about it.

686
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,400
And you would never know it.

687
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:53,540
I also think that, you know, I don't mean to preach with everybody, to anybody, but my faith

688
00:56:56,510 --> 00:57:02,770
and the biblical principles that I live by on a daily basis, talk about grace and mercy.

689
00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:06,330
I have been afforded grace and mercy.

690
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:16,410
And every one of you has got the same opportunity to have that grace and mercy.

691
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:31,410
And I think that if, you know, I've had a number of emails sent to me by people that have said that they are Christians, that they're Catholic, that they've all been given an afforded grace and mercy.

692
00:57:31,890 --> 00:57:42,140
And I think that listening to Mr. Feinstein and your lawyer, and understanding the 15-page

693
00:57:42,140 --> 00:57:48,740
report that we got from Mr. Feinstein regarding his professional opinion of that, that you've

694
00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:49,740
been rehabilitated.

695
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:54,100
And you know, this is not going to be a popular, I'm sure this is not popular with anybody,

696
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,100
and I really, you know, this is how I feel.

697
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:03,100
And I think that Ms. Wilson, even though there were some mistakes,

698
00:58:03,340 --> 00:58:11,740
understand that the process of getting registered in the city and in the state is not an automatic thing that has to happen, right?

699
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:18,320
And that there are certainly some loopholes within the way that our state laws are written

700
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,340
that causes all kinds of confusion and all that kind of stuff.

701
00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:28,640
I first want to say that this is very difficult, not only for you, and it takes courage for

702
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,720
you to come up and stand and talk about such a crime that you've committed in the past,

703
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,740
but I do believe that you have paid your debt.

704
00:58:39,020 --> 00:58:49,380
And I personally think that grace should be afforded to people, especially when they've

705
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:57,160
shown that especially when they shown that they have learned from their

706
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:01,380
mistakes and can move forward. I just want to say that I appreciate that

707
00:59:01,380 --> 00:59:04,020
everybody's been out here and I understand the passions are high about

708
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:07,180
your children and believe me the last thing I want to see is somebody's

709
00:59:07,180 --> 00:59:15,960
child abused but it makes me wonder how many 18-year-olds we have living in

710
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,100
in this city who are technically sex offenders but have never been caught.

711
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:22,700
Hold on.

712
00:59:24,020 --> 00:59:25,620
Come on, please. Thank you.

713
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:27,020
It's got nothing to do with it, sir.

714
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:29,240
Lance, you too.

715
00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:32,070
I'm done.

716
00:59:32,770 --> 00:59:33,110
You sure?

717
00:59:34,850 --> 00:59:36,170
We'll come back, Jim.

718
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:43,790
I just have a couple of quick questions for you.

719
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:48,450
One is, you heard several times tonight about the ignorance of law.

720
00:59:48,450 --> 00:59:54,150
Did you check before you moved into the city of fate of what our sex registration would be?

721
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:59,870
I did not. I had no experience with...

722
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,380
The towns that would have laws different from state laws. My only experience is in Virginia.

723
01:00:06,740 --> 01:00:15,280
In Virginia, the towns do not have separate laws. All the law about where you can live is run by the state.

724
01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:22,700
And the state of Texas, the only law that I could find is that I can't, like, live on our college campus.

725
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,460
So that's what I based my decision on.

726
01:00:27,460 --> 01:00:28,200
The

727
01:00:33,540 --> 01:00:41,320
system, basically all states have registration systems because of Congress passing something

728
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,780
called the Sex Offender Registration and Notification Act in 1994.

729
01:00:45,780 --> 01:00:52,140
They required states to continue getting full funding for law enforcement upon, it depended

730
01:00:52,140 --> 01:00:56,260
upon states adopting the model statute that Congress enacted.

731
01:00:56,260 --> 01:01:17,340
What happens is some states have a statewide registry system, and that includes other things beyond registration, like residency restrictions, proximity, whether someone physically, not where they live, but physically can go within certain distances, and they're statewide. Virginia is one of those.

732
01:01:17,340 --> 01:01:24,520
Texas is not. Texas has authorized general law cities now since 2017 to pass these ordinances.

733
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:31,180
Before 2017, they couldn't because of an attorney general opinion by then Attorney General

734
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:38,500
Greg Abbott actually was wrote that in 2016. And it took him until 2017 to give general

735
01:01:38,500 --> 01:01:42,420
law cities authority to pass these ordinances. But home rural cities, I'm sure you all

736
01:01:42,420 --> 01:01:47,280
know, are basically entitled to pass whatever ordinances they want to unless the legislature

737
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,900
legislature has expressly prohibited it, something called Dillon's Rule that I won't get into.

738
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:59,980
That goes back to the 1876 Constitution of Texas. But I have people call me all the time

739
01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:05,780
that are no longer required to register in other states, and they want to know whether

740
01:02:05,780 --> 01:02:09,080
they're going to have to register as sex offenders when they come to Texas.

741
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:14,060
And it's a very complicated process because you have to compare the elements of their

742
01:02:14,060 --> 01:02:19,220
offense under the state law they came from and determine whether those elements of their

743
01:02:19,220 --> 01:02:23,960
offense in the other state is substantially similar to the elements that would require

744
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:30,660
registration if the offense had been committed in Texas. There's no doubt that she is required

745
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:35,100
to register under Texas law, and that's what she looked to, but she didn't see, according

746
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:40,920
to her testimony, she didn't realize that she also needed to go the second step

747
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,920
and determine whether there's any residency restrictions when she moved to Fay.

748
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:48,900
And that's a real common problem. I've known people that have lived in

749
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:52,900
their homes for over a decade before law enforcement

750
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:56,380
and their community realized that they were violating their city

751
01:02:56,860 --> 01:02:59,400
residency restriction organisms. And so

752
01:03:00,460 --> 01:03:04,860
for your information that's what I was responding to. It's not an uncommon thing for

753
01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:06,940
someone moving out of state to have that confusion.

754
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,260
Okay, any other one is,

755
01:03:14,090 --> 01:03:20,210
since you're conviction, have you had any contact with the minor, who's no longer a minor now?

756
01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:24,090
Just minimal contact.

757
01:03:24,790 --> 01:03:26,090
What is minimal contact?

758
01:03:26,310 --> 01:03:37,060
Well, so we don't, having been, you know, we don't go to family reunions together.

759
01:03:37,060 --> 01:03:42,220
He's not a blood relative, in full disclosure, he was my stepson.

760
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:53,860
So once my husband died, his father died, there was no contact.

761
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:59,020
There was minimal contact through my husband when he was alive.

762
01:04:00,060 --> 01:04:08,440
There is also a stepdaughter from that marriage who I've fully reunited with.

763
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:18,340
And I also have a daughter of my own who was six years old at the time, was never removed from the home, was never thought to be a danger.

764
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:23,300
My contact with her was never stipulated to be less than full.

765
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:24,780
Thank you.

766
01:04:26,790 --> 01:04:28,270
Scott, no questions.

767
01:04:28,830 --> 01:04:32,110
Mark, just one follow-up question.

768
01:04:32,370 --> 01:04:38,110
So Ms. Wilson, you said that you didn't know that there was a requirement to register in Texas at all?

769
01:04:40,270 --> 01:04:42,870
So a little bit more about the process.

770
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:47,090
So when I looked into the Texas registry requirements,

771
01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:52,310
there are a list of offenses that talk about if you have to register for 10 years,

772
01:04:52,310 --> 01:04:54,410
or if you have to register for life.

773
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:57,310
Looking at my sodomy charge from Virginia,

774
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:59,410
if you look in the Texas Code,

775
01:04:59,510 --> 01:05:02,410
that is not listed directly as one of the offenses

776
01:05:02,410 --> 01:05:03,630
you have to register for.

777
01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:07,930
So that's why I was not aware of needing to register.

778
01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:11,790
But is the law, I believe Texas law is that

779
01:05:11,790 --> 01:05:15,030
if you've committed an act with a child under the age

780
01:05:15,030 --> 01:05:19,270
of 17, that that's a permanent registration.

781
01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:20,170
Is that not correct?

782
01:05:20,170 --> 01:05:23,470
It depends on the offense, and like I said, with the fraud.

783
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,740
Could you use the microphone?

784
01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:29,980
I'm sorry, for the recording.

785
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,100
For example, in her case in Virginia,

786
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,360
they used the term sodomy.

787
01:05:34,820 --> 01:05:36,460
If you looked at the elements, you'd

788
01:05:36,460 --> 01:05:38,560
look at maybe was there sexual contact,

789
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,840
was there penetration, was there indecency with the child,

790
01:05:42,940 --> 01:05:45,240
which would be an exposure, and all these other things.

791
01:05:46,060 --> 01:05:47,960
And so it really takes a logger

792
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,580
to compare the offense in the state

793
01:05:50,580 --> 01:05:52,920
under the state law they had to look at the elements

794
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,640
and what was alleged even in the charging instrument, whether it's an indictment or whatever they use.

795
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:01,960
And then you look at Texas law and you find if there is or isn't an offense

796
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:06,080
that would require registration had that offense been committed in Texas.

797
01:06:07,220 --> 01:06:13,680
As she mentioned, there's a lot of offenses that only would require registration in Texas for 10 years,

798
01:06:13,820 --> 01:06:17,800
and she was obviously 30 years gone since her offense.

799
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:24,300
There's other offenses that are not quite as broad a number of offenses that would require registration for life.

800
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,500
And that would be kind of a sexual assault involving penetration.

801
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:36,420
And that's, from what I know about this, the offense that she was convicted of would not include that, okay?

802
01:06:37,420 --> 01:06:39,100
Hey, John, just real quick.

803
01:06:39,340 --> 01:06:41,800
John, did you ever clarify the process we went through?

804
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,300
Then I know we went to the state to get a clarification on this.

805
01:06:45,380 --> 01:06:46,520
Do you want to walk away through that?

806
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,580
Yeah, the issue that comes up, we've heard about it,

807
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,260
and we've dealt with this issue before,

808
01:06:52,420 --> 01:06:55,420
is when you have someone who is registered as a sex offender

809
01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:57,060
in a state outside of Texas,

810
01:06:57,540 --> 01:06:59,440
and then they relocate to Texas.

811
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,140
And as Mr. Gladden stated,

812
01:07:05,100 --> 01:07:07,680
so what the state of Texas went when we found,

813
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:10,620
we learned that Ms. Wilson was living in fate.

814
01:07:11,180 --> 01:07:16,340
what our DPS department had to do was determine what offense she was convicted

815
01:07:16,340 --> 01:07:20,400
of for which she was registered in Virginia and had to take the elements of

816
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,460
that offense and we had to send it to the state of Texas. The state of Texas is a

817
01:07:23,460 --> 01:07:28,880
sexual offender registration program or a SOARP. I may not have the acronym

818
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:35,000
right. So what they will do is look to determine whether there's a

819
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,460
substantially similar offense under Texas law and then based on the

820
01:07:38,460 --> 01:07:42,300
elements decide whether or not the person needs to register, whether they need to register

821
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:44,900
for a limited time like 10 years or for life.

822
01:07:45,420 --> 01:07:48,460
And in this particular case, the State of Texas reviewed the elements of the offense

823
01:07:48,460 --> 01:07:52,160
to determine there was a substantially similar offense, and that required a life registration

824
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:52,720
if I'm not.

825
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:53,460
Thanks.

826
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,220
Mark?

827
01:07:54,460 --> 01:07:54,600
Go ahead.

828
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:56,040
Sorry.

829
01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:00,460
So did you seek the guidance of an attorney when you moved here?

830
01:08:00,820 --> 01:08:01,400
I did not.

831
01:08:01,740 --> 01:08:01,980
Okay.

832
01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:12,520
And my last question is, have you had any sex offender counseling since your conviction?

833
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:13,460
Yes.

834
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:14,900
And when was that?

835
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,000
During my incarceration.

836
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:18,900
But have you had anything after that period?

837
01:08:19,180 --> 01:08:21,660
No, I fully graduated from that.

838
01:08:22,060 --> 01:08:24,240
And that was a voluntary or that was mandated?

839
01:08:24,740 --> 01:08:25,300
Voluntarily.

840
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:27,140
Okay.

841
01:08:27,740 --> 01:08:28,020
Thanks.

842
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:31,800
I was not mandated to any rehabilitation counseling.

843
01:08:32,060 --> 01:08:33,400
I sought that on my own.

844
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:35,000
Heather.

845
01:08:36,180 --> 01:08:41,160
I think all of my questions have been answered between everything that's been presented and the other questions.

846
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,160
No, can you speak on the microphone?

847
01:08:45,140 --> 01:08:45,840
I can hear you.

848
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:46,640
We can't hear you on the microphone.

849
01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,620
You're really quiet tonight.

850
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,480
I think all of my questions have been answered between all the material that's been presented and the other questions that have already been asked.

851
01:08:55,480 --> 01:08:56,320
So thank you so much.

852
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:56,820
Thank you.

853
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:57,420
Thank you.

854
01:08:57,860 --> 01:08:59,280
This is the same for me, of course.

855
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:00,020
So thank you.

856
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,280
Lance, wrap up.

857
01:09:03,060 --> 01:09:04,140
Come on, you're good.

858
01:09:04,780 --> 01:09:06,380
I have a microphone.

859
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:08,000
Sorry, thank you.

860
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,440
I have actually no further questions to Ms. Wilson

861
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:15,200
or to her attorney or Mr. Finstein.

862
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:24,310
Again, this is a very difficult decision

863
01:09:26,590 --> 01:09:28,230
for everybody on this council.

864
01:09:28,230 --> 01:09:36,110
and understand that people want to keep their children safe and I want your children to be safe.

865
01:09:37,330 --> 01:09:50,010
I also think, though, that if we start, if we have zero compassion as a community and dictate

866
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:58,330
who we're going to throw out of their homes and who we're not, what other crimes will we start looking at?

867
01:09:59,410 --> 01:10:07,930
right? We could have a murderer. We would never know it. We could have people that have

868
01:10:07,930 --> 01:10:17,590
deweys, multiple deweys, and I would submit that drunk driving is equally as heinous a

869
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:28,310
crime because there's more often when somebody's drinking and driving, they're drinking

870
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:37,750
and Mr. Finstein she's gone through at this point, I assume that you have paid for all

871
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:43,230
of this and that she has tried to put forth that

872
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:51,280
she is not and we've got expert witnesses

873
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:59,460
that say that she's not a threat to our community. And personally you can chuckle all you want.

874
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:04,560
Next time that you have a legal problem,

875
01:11:07,210 --> 01:11:09,470
you'll certainly wish that you had some grace.

876
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:12,500
I'm done.

877
01:11:12,980 --> 01:11:13,740
Okay, thank you.

878
01:11:14,440 --> 01:11:15,400
Any more questions from council?

879
01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:16,320
Last call.

880
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:16,800
All right.

881
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:17,840
I'll take a motion, please.

882
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:28,610
I'll make a motion to deny the request for item 6-up.

883
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:29,950
I have a motion.

884
01:11:30,270 --> 01:11:30,870
Do I have a second?

885
01:11:31,170 --> 01:11:31,510
I second.

886
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:31,970
Okay.

887
01:11:32,050 --> 01:11:32,530
Please vote.

888
01:11:33,190 --> 01:11:34,410
And this is a motion to deny.

889
01:11:46,590 --> 01:11:48,130
The motion passes 5-1.

890
01:11:48,510 --> 01:11:48,670
Okay.

891
01:11:48,670 --> 01:11:49,490
Next, the key please.

892
01:11:49,770 --> 01:11:50,810
What was the vote?

893
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:51,390
No.

894
01:11:51,690 --> 01:11:52,630
Sorry, has it turned over?

895
01:11:53,630 --> 01:11:54,550
I'm sure it's lands.

896
01:11:58,540 --> 01:12:00,800
OK, with the council on the legacy voting now.

897
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:02,220
OK, next please.

898
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,980
We will move back to agenda item, excuse me, 6A,

899
01:12:10,140 --> 01:12:12,500
discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding

900
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:13,560
road bond projects.

901
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,300
Council to provide direction on Gettysburg East connection

902
01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:18,480
to Blackland Road.

903
01:12:45,370 --> 01:12:46,650
Now the roads.

904
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:46,710
Good.

905
01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:47,470
All right.

906
01:12:47,550 --> 01:12:48,070
Get even there.

907
01:12:48,130 --> 01:12:48,210
Okay, Scott.

908
01:12:48,690 --> 01:12:55,110
Council, this evening we're going to go over the current status of the road bond projects,

909
01:12:55,570 --> 01:13:00,850
and then of course we'll have a discussion item on Gettysburg extension, get some direction

910
01:13:00,850 --> 01:13:05,710
and clarification from Council on how we may want to proceed forward with that project.

911
01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:10,110
Just a quick update before I get into some of the slides.

912
01:13:11,170 --> 01:13:15,710
So currently, out of the bond projects, two of those projects have been completed.

913
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:19,730
One of those being the Memorial Parkway Striping Project.

914
01:13:20,590 --> 01:13:22,930
The second project is the Water Tower Road.

915
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:25,410
Both projects are complete, being utilized.

916
01:13:26,590 --> 01:13:30,410
The I-30, Frontage Road, right turn lane.

917
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:34,550
We are scheduled, and I think there's been some questions in reference to that.

918
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:37,390
We're scheduled to be complete by early next week.

919
01:13:37,390 --> 01:13:43,850
So some final details, but we're getting very close a little bit of landscaping some striping

920
01:13:44,410 --> 01:13:46,070
Sealing some expansion joints

921
01:13:46,850 --> 01:13:50,750
Sidewalk was poured just last week. So very very close on that project

922
01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:56,790
righty club road still on schedule to be completed by September of this year the

923
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:58,670
Wood Creek Boulevard

924
01:13:58,670 --> 01:14:02,750
Scheduled for November of this year and then Gettysburg again

925
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:06,010
We can talk about that when I get to the slide in a little bit more detail

926
01:14:06,010 --> 01:14:08,670
So I'm going to kind of jump in on some of the slides.

927
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:17,970
So Wood Creek Boulevard Extension, of course, that was the project that extended through the U-Track to the Frontage Road of I-30.

928
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:23,370
Project status, as of today, we have a few updates.

929
01:14:24,090 --> 01:14:28,390
Of course, this was a last late-minute item on the last council agenda.

930
01:14:28,750 --> 01:14:33,230
We decided we were going to send everybody home at 11 o'clock instead.

931
01:14:33,230 --> 01:14:41,390
So all the water lines, all the utilities are complete on this project, all the stormwater is complete.

932
01:14:42,050 --> 01:14:45,490
We have as of today paved most of that project.

933
01:14:45,770 --> 01:14:49,830
So all the roads, all the way crossing the railroad track going north are paved.

934
01:14:50,410 --> 01:14:55,150
We're still finishing some details on the roundabout and then we have sidewalks to complete.

935
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:58,610
We have a lot of infrastructure when it comes to utilities.

936
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,080
Poll lights, signage, railroad crossings, the crossing arms, and some utilities that go to those crossing arms.

937
01:15:09,460 --> 01:15:17,480
So there's some pieces that need to be complete, but we are on schedule to have this project completed, again, as we stated by November.

938
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:28,610
So some of the conflicts that we wanted to mention and kind of go over with the council in reference to this is, so this project originally had that November date.

939
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:33,310
We've had quite a few conflicts on this project that really could have extended this

940
01:15:33,310 --> 01:15:36,250
Contract out until as late as March

941
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:43,170
But we're able to maintain and stay on on schedule on this project with the original contract date, which was

942
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:50,910
370 days, so we had we've had 43 days. We had heavy heavy rain if you remember when this project first started

943
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:54,190
We had some conflicts with some water lines

944
01:15:55,150 --> 01:16:01,870
Some of the plans that some of the archived information wasn't correct, so we had to relocate some lines on the frontage road.

945
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:07,830
We had some bore issues related to some utilities working with DGNL Railroad.

946
01:16:08,530 --> 01:16:14,290
So with these days, you know, just again, we just want to show that we could have actually extended this project out.

947
01:16:14,570 --> 01:16:21,190
But again, if everything holds true, we're going to be opening this project and we're aligning with the Avondale project.

948
01:16:21,190 --> 01:16:29,010
So there's pieces on both sides of the railroad track as of a meeting myself and Mr. Bilber had with contractors last week

949
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:33,530
Looks like everything's going to be very close to aligning at the same time

950
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:37,430
Which means the traffic signal on highway 66 is going to open

951
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:44,170
The road will open the sidewalks will all be in place all the landscape and all the details so that when we open that road

952
01:16:44,170 --> 01:16:46,690
We're open all the way to the service road. So

953
01:16:46,690 --> 01:16:50,350
Feeling pretty confident that that job is moving forward on schedule

954
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:56,270
If you don't mind, let's do one at a time of questions, if you don't mind.

955
01:16:56,690 --> 01:16:57,510
Sure, absolutely.

956
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:58,250
Would people have any questions?

957
01:16:58,610 --> 01:16:58,750
Yeah.

958
01:16:59,030 --> 01:17:00,230
I know you have a question, so I said that.

959
01:17:01,470 --> 01:17:04,650
The intersection of Wood Creek and 66.

960
01:17:05,050 --> 01:17:05,330
Yes, sir.

961
01:17:06,590 --> 01:17:10,510
So are they completed with the intersection?

962
01:17:11,070 --> 01:17:11,650
They are not.

963
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:21,170
So it looks like they have to move control boxes for the...

964
01:17:21,170 --> 01:17:23,410
the Avondale development, this was not a part of this,

965
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:26,610
but yeah, some of the controls, utilities have to be moved

966
01:17:26,610 --> 01:17:29,870
and some of the arms that are existing arms,

967
01:17:30,030 --> 01:17:31,790
they're putting a longer mast arm.

968
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:35,570
There's a new ILS sign that goes in.

969
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:38,310
Most of the paving on the north side

970
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:39,930
of Wood Creek Boulevard is now complete.

971
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:42,770
We have some pavement on the south side

972
01:17:43,230 --> 01:17:46,870
at the Highway 66 transition that needs to be completed.

973
01:17:47,070 --> 01:17:49,130
So the idea is we're gonna hold off

974
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:53,650
on opening any section until the road is fully complete.

975
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:56,230
That way, when we rip the Band-Aid off,

976
01:17:56,490 --> 01:17:59,630
the road is clear and there's no obstructions.

977
01:17:59,890 --> 01:18:02,690
Last thing, personally, what I don't like

978
01:18:02,690 --> 01:18:03,950
is when you get to the point

979
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:05,230
where you're ready to open a road

980
01:18:05,230 --> 01:18:06,990
and then you still have temporary closures

981
01:18:06,990 --> 01:18:07,710
in the process.

982
01:18:08,090 --> 01:18:11,270
So the hope is that our project and that project align

983
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:13,010
and we can open the whole road at one time.

984
01:18:13,070 --> 01:18:15,790
So are we dependent on text.to do that?

985
01:18:16,110 --> 01:18:17,770
No, it's all under the contract.

986
01:18:17,770 --> 01:18:21,090
With the exception of the signal, the signal is taxed out.

987
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:25,990
They're just currently waiting on the material to come in to finalize the signal.

988
01:18:26,210 --> 01:18:28,090
So they're not going to delay that necessarily.

989
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:34,570
No, everything's, they gave us, I think, eight weeks out to finalize.

990
01:18:36,490 --> 01:18:37,750
Jim, any questions?

991
01:18:40,050 --> 01:18:44,070
Yeah, the budget was 5.2 and we've paid 3.0.

992
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:46,390
Do we have anything else under contract for that?

993
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:49,630
The budget was 5.2.

994
01:18:49,930 --> 01:18:50,150
Correct.

995
01:18:50,570 --> 01:18:52,450
And we've spent 3.0.

996
01:18:52,990 --> 01:18:53,190
Right.

997
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:57,070
Yeah, we still have quite a few pay items that need to be finished out on the project.

998
01:18:57,330 --> 01:19:02,370
So they, again, everything's kind of segmented out, but everything's holding.

999
01:19:02,570 --> 01:19:06,870
We've had a few minor change orders, but they're all within the contract budget.

1000
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:15,890
So we're feeling pretty confident that there's nothing else, no other big ticket items that could show up to complete the project out.

1001
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:21,690
Great. Thanks. Yes, sir. And so just to clarify the bid award was 6.7. Yes, 6.7

1002
01:19:21,690 --> 01:19:24,910
So we had to move money from other as you can see in the next page

1003
01:19:24,910 --> 01:19:27,810
We had to move money from other projects to get what creep done

1004
01:19:29,610 --> 01:19:34,690
Okay, so are we on I I know you hate this question saw I won't public

1005
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:39,470
Are we gonna make right for real open the road on number six?

1006
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:43,510
Yeah, we feel very confident. Yeah, it's curing

1007
01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:47,330
So the one thing is, you know, no concern with cure time at all.

1008
01:19:48,210 --> 01:19:51,910
The road has already been poured on the north side of the railroad track.

1009
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:56,050
That was the last piece. So we are connected all the way through with pavement.

1010
01:19:57,670 --> 01:20:05,950
The issue that I am now working with is DGNO and Encore to get the signal in place

1011
01:20:05,950 --> 01:20:10,690
because the one thing that actually could hold this project up is we could be 100% complete

1012
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:14,710
and the railroad will not let us cross it until the signal is in place.

1013
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:18,630
So we've been pressing on that schedule and they feel confident.

1014
01:20:18,990 --> 01:20:22,050
It's only a five-day work schedule to get that crossing in.

1015
01:20:22,350 --> 01:20:26,810
But we feel confident with our last conversation.

1016
01:20:27,470 --> 01:20:31,450
I don't know what you're going to assert is, so just to check my assumption is,

1017
01:20:31,790 --> 01:20:34,110
this really helped traffic on the north side of Faye, right?

1018
01:20:34,690 --> 01:20:37,810
As much as Michael's heard this many times,

1019
01:20:37,810 --> 01:20:41,410
As much as we can get it done faster on the 6th, it's really important that we do that.

1020
01:20:42,730 --> 01:20:47,350
I'd love to tell you a date sooner, and I hope I can at some point.

1021
01:20:48,270 --> 01:20:51,250
But right now, we're going to hold to that date at this point.

1022
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:52,550
I think that would be good.

1023
01:20:52,830 --> 01:20:54,770
At least the December date we put out there, I think,

1024
01:20:55,190 --> 01:20:57,910
improved traffic flow would be just nice in our city.

1025
01:20:59,070 --> 01:21:02,530
Okay, Mark, Heather, you can go on then.

1026
01:21:02,830 --> 01:21:03,490
Okay, thank you.

1027
01:21:03,490 --> 01:21:05,310
We'll start with Lance always, and I'm here at the questions.

1028
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:15,540
So the Memorial Striping Project, you know, obviously is being utilized as open.

1029
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:20,740
One of the things that we noticed, and of course all the striping, all the details,

1030
01:21:20,940 --> 01:21:22,680
all the signage was approved through TechStot.

1031
01:21:23,180 --> 01:21:25,800
We did ask for permission after we completed the project.

1032
01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:29,400
Can we add an additional left-hand turn straight lane

1033
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:34,860
painting and painted underneath the bridge to help alert citizens of this.

1034
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:36,780
So we painted it.

1035
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,760
We used just regular road-based paint.

1036
01:21:40,060 --> 01:21:43,700
That's what we had available in Textot, gave the blessing, so go ahead and do it.

1037
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:46,220
It really has faded out pretty quickly.

1038
01:21:46,940 --> 01:21:53,500
We ordered thermoplastic, we're wetting on that because it's not a typical term

1039
01:21:53,500 --> 01:21:54,680
lane.

1040
01:21:56,660 --> 01:22:00,080
So once that comes in, which we hope it'll come in in the next week,

1041
01:22:00,460 --> 01:22:03,420
then we will apply that. That's much brighter, much stronger,

1042
01:22:03,620 --> 01:22:05,160
and it's going to last quite a bit longer.

1043
01:22:06,100 --> 01:22:07,680
So in this, I'll ask this question.

1044
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,140
Sure.

1045
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:09,240
But I see it every day.

1046
01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:12,700
So this is underneath from South Side of Pitt and North Side of Pitt,

1047
01:22:12,860 --> 01:22:14,320
going on a right-thirty or talking about right.

1048
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:14,760
Okay.

1049
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:18,220
There's a sign there that doesn't make sense to me, right?

1050
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,420
So what's still happening, people are aligned from the right lane,

1051
01:22:21,420 --> 01:22:26,340
Like, you have left turn, right, then left turn straight, then right turn right.

1052
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,480
People are still in the middle and then they're hurrying over because the sign on that

1053
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:33,940
cross from fresh says straight, straight.

1054
01:22:34,780 --> 01:22:37,100
It says, no, left turn straight and it's like that.

1055
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,780
It's confusing people and they're still under the bridge going over.

1056
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:44,040
I would be glad to make another request.

1057
01:22:44,460 --> 01:22:44,740
Okay.

1058
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:50,940
But TextDOT has specified it matches the detail and it matches

1059
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:52,920
is the traffic pattern at the location

1060
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:54,840
when they should be looking for it.

1061
01:22:55,060 --> 01:22:56,780
I do understand, and-

1062
01:22:56,780 --> 01:22:58,540
Including me, by the way, I cut up a couple of times,

1063
01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:59,740
so I'm just giving it to anybody else,

1064
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:01,260
but anything we can do with text,

1065
01:23:01,380 --> 01:23:02,320
I think it will clarify,

1066
01:23:02,580 --> 01:23:04,080
but I still know those people are not using

1067
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,780
both left and right, like we hope they would,

1068
01:23:05,860 --> 01:23:07,480
even if they're getting better at learning,

1069
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,820
I get it, but it's still happening after anything we can do,

1070
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:10,480
that would be great.

1071
01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:12,600
I'd be glad to extend another real question,

1072
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:14,420
and see if they have any,

1073
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,400
or possibly they pull that one back

1074
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,540
and maybe be able to add it a second,

1075
01:23:18,540 --> 01:23:21,760
But I'd be glad to reach out to them and see if there's anything additional.

1076
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,160
I mean, I think you said that we're going to try to repaint underneath the crowd.

1077
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,740
Yes, it's thermal plastic, so it'll be bonded up to the pavement,

1078
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,560
more like what was put down in the project.

1079
01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:33,860
That wasn't included in the project details.

1080
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,680
So rather than do a late change order,

1081
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,780
we felt like let's just order that internally and I'll have my staff install it.

1082
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:41,440
Thank you.

1083
01:23:41,740 --> 01:23:42,140
Any questions?

1084
01:23:43,580 --> 01:23:44,220
I'm sorry.

1085
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:50,280
So when you turn left out of the middle lane there, is there one of those guidelines that

1086
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:50,460
tells you?

1087
01:23:50,460 --> 01:23:50,780
There is.

1088
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:51,220
Yes, sir.

1089
01:23:51,340 --> 01:23:51,580
All right.

1090
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,300
I couldn't remember if there was or not because when it first opened it was a mess, people

1091
01:23:56,300 --> 01:23:57,360
turning both at the same time.

1092
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:03,940
And it was there from day one, and again, you know, I've kind of asked our staff, let's

1093
01:24:03,940 --> 01:24:08,880
start to utilize that lane just to kind of direct people to follow through there.

1094
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,480
And, you know, the first few days, yes, it was quite confusing, but I've noticed that

1095
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:17,300
any time I've opened any road or any kind of change.

1096
01:24:17,820 --> 01:24:22,820
But if you really, and we're back and forth through there, I'm sure you all travel it.

1097
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:29,100
We travel it multiple times a day, and I've really seen that, that the help.

1098
01:24:29,380 --> 01:24:31,520
And I've seen it utilized much more.

1099
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:33,660
The first few days was a little rough.

1100
01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:40,260
Are you also going to use the thermal plastic for the follow-through lanes too?

1101
01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:43,420
Yes. That's all being done through the contract.

1102
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:47,380
It's kind of new for us because we don't have all the resources to do it internal.

1103
01:24:48,140 --> 01:24:54,060
But again, I didn't want to put a change order on this project, so we have the materials and we're going to go ahead and apply it.

1104
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:54,980
Yeah, I noticed it was there right away.

1105
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:57,420
And it's a requirement through textile.

1106
01:24:58,260 --> 01:25:02,940
Yeah, it's a specification through textile, so that's what has to go down.

1107
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:23,060
So we've just talked about the frontage, but just a couple of small details that need to be finished up on this is a little bit of the drainage needs to be cleared on the Brookshire side, a little bit of grading, the grass, sealing some expansion joints, and then the striping.

1108
01:25:23,060 --> 01:25:25,020
So we're getting very close.

1109
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,300
Again, contractor is, if everything holds true,

1110
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:29,960
no weather changes or anything,

1111
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,860
we're scheduled to be complete by the 14th,

1112
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:34,500
which is next Monday.

1113
01:25:37,380 --> 01:25:40,000
Water Tower Road, I think we talked about this one already,

1114
01:25:40,220 --> 01:25:42,160
but again, one of the same things,

1115
01:25:42,340 --> 01:25:46,240
we're seeing more and more citizens come home in the evening

1116
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,600
and realize, hey, I have this other option coming through here,

1117
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,000
just like when Gettysburg opens up here soon.

1118
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,800
and they're seeing some relief and seeing some ways

1119
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,580
that they can bypass the intersection

1120
01:25:58,180 --> 01:26:00,460
to brook showers if they choose not to go that way.

1121
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,340
But again, it's been a huge benefit.

1122
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,740
Any one road that we open up,

1123
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,540
it's like opening up a new artery.

1124
01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:09,700
It just, here's the way it travels

1125
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:13,180
and we're really seeing a lot of good input from that.

1126
01:26:13,820 --> 01:26:14,860
Okay, just go ahead.

1127
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,620
Oh, so question on Water Tower Road.

1128
01:26:17,780 --> 01:26:17,920
Yes.

1129
01:26:18,460 --> 01:26:20,620
The size of those lanes, what is that?

1130
01:26:21,180 --> 01:26:24,480
They were reduced to 11, is that correct, Ryan?

1131
01:26:25,660 --> 01:26:26,660
11, okay.

1132
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:29,920
Because I noticed they were a little bit smaller, but they still, you still fit.

1133
01:26:30,540 --> 01:26:35,720
Yes, yes. And you're going to see that pattern carry through the city as we do some of these new projects.

1134
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:41,440
So that's a cost savings and also a reduction in speeding behavior. That's why we did that.

1135
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,900
So I just have one comment.

1136
01:26:44,900 --> 01:26:51,720
So, in a number of the site plans that we've seen for the development there, they're planning

1137
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,200
on street parking, right?

1138
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:02,680
The question comes in is, what is that going to do to the traffic on there with the street

1139
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,120
parking and slowing it down and all that kind of stuff?

1140
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,460
If you really could, it should slow the traffic down.

1141
01:27:07,780 --> 01:27:12,740
Right, theoretically, and I think that that's problematic actually, that we shouldn't

1142
01:27:12,740 --> 01:27:22,780
have street parking on on that road. Speed limit 35 there? 30 on that one. 30. Okay. My question is

1143
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:27,920
going to be, so two questions really. So one, you know, water time road on 530 service road,

1144
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:33,820
there's still, can we get a sign to tell people that road exists after or so long? Sure. I mean,

1145
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,140
like, yes. And then the second question is, they have a lot of barriers, they've still got

1146
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:43,500
the big orange barrels there, and that's going to cause some confusion, what do you mean?

1147
01:27:45,300 --> 01:27:49,700
Like it's open now, so are those there for a reason, or they just forgot to put them up?

1148
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,960
Well, a lot of them were out there for another utility that's being installed in the city,

1149
01:27:55,100 --> 01:27:56,580
so they're not for that project.

1150
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:03,260
They were for some right away work being done by a gas company, so that's what dictated those.

1151
01:28:03,260 --> 01:28:05,680
Yeah, we can get a sign there, because I think it would help more people,

1152
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:12,080
We actually just got a, ironically, a request from Turcot to rename Water Tower Road.

1153
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,400
Whatever name you want to put there and whatever you want, did you have to sign up?

1154
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,540
It'll be coming to y'all. So it'll be coming to y'all to consider.

1155
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:21,680
I'm not the naming guy, so I'll let you take it.

1156
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:27,840
It is your discretion whether or not to agree, but we have to process the request.

1157
01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:29,660
I'm sorry, one comment.

1158
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:35,540
Can we pay attention to landscaping around there because the sunflowers are actually up

1159
01:28:35,540 --> 01:28:39,760
to the high right now and it's difficult to see oncoming traffic coming up in that rally?

1160
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:40,100
Sure.

1161
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,360
We can talk to our co-compliance and see if a lot of that property around there doesn't

1162
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,060
belong to the city.

1163
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:50,540
It's probably some of the development, but we'll see if you can help us with that

1164
01:28:50,540 --> 01:28:50,760
piece.

1165
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:53,260
No, much of it.

1166
01:28:53,380 --> 01:28:54,800
I mean, Michael hasn't answered one of those by the way.

1167
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:55,500
All right.

1168
01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:55,840
Yes, sir.

1169
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:56,000
Next please.

1170
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:57,660
All right.

1171
01:28:57,660 --> 01:29:01,920
and Riding Club, so if you haven't been by Riding Club recently,

1172
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:06,180
it's getting very close. It's really moving nicely.

1173
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:14,240
We have one section on the southbound lane, which I show south and it's running from east to west.

1174
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:19,500
One segment of that needs to be completed and will be completely paved out on that project.

1175
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,760
We do have one conflict that we're dealing with with an AT&T utility box

1176
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:31,720
needn't be raised or lowered it depends on how they want to attack it so it's

1177
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:36,140
keeping one panel from being able to be poured out on that project but again

1178
01:29:36,140 --> 01:29:41,240
we're still scheduled for a September completion on this job again this was

1179
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:45,880
about a six month project everything's staying on schedule no real change

1180
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,960
orders that have caused any conflicts so we're feeling really confident that

1181
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:53,240
we'll get this one open up in September and again if you haven't been

1182
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,220
buy this one, you know, please go buy. One thing on this project that's going to move

1183
01:29:57,220 --> 01:29:59,540
this pretty quickly is through negotiations.

1184
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,040
We're involved with this project, so it's really once we finish the job, we hide our seed,

1185
01:30:06,420 --> 01:30:13,580
we establish grass, and we finish the job. So nothing that would eliminate us or push us

1186
01:30:13,580 --> 01:30:18,180
back on being able to get this opened up as early as possible. So we're hoping early September.

1187
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,440
Okay. Okay, I think you can go on. All right.

1188
01:30:23,420 --> 01:30:28,860
And the last one, the Gettysburg to Blackland extension. So this is the one that we were

1189
01:30:28,860 --> 01:30:31,000
We're asking for a little guidance from the council.

1190
01:30:31,660 --> 01:30:34,600
So this would be the last and final bond project.

1191
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:42,600
This is the extension from our Edgewater development to a roundabout on the intersection

1192
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:44,640
of Gettysburg and Blackland Road.

1193
01:30:45,700 --> 01:30:51,640
As of today, we just put in a demolition contract in place, so we're scheduled to

1194
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,640
have the property cleared and ready to go.

1195
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,940
Kimley-Horn has the plan set at about 90% currently.

1196
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,960
One of the things that we were considering originally on this project

1197
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,640
is when Edgewater came and pulled phase four of this project,

1198
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:10,480
that would be the time that they would build the extension

1199
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,860
and then connect to our portion of the road.

1200
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:15,340
Things have kind of slowed down.

1201
01:31:15,620 --> 01:31:20,220
We don't have specific dates and times of when they're going to do that next phase.

1202
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:27,200
So, a couple of options is we could go ahead and build our portion of the road, so that

1203
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,280
we finished out and closed out the bond projects.

1204
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,580
Another option is we could go ahead and build that Gettysburg piece.

1205
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:39,120
So, you're looking for, so right now it says, Kimley Horner is doing the cost analysis,

1206
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:40,160
so you want us to-

1207
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:40,440
Correct.

1208
01:31:40,700 --> 01:31:43,040
So, you want us to wait until the cost analysis shows up?

1209
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:43,320
No.

1210
01:31:43,540 --> 01:31:45,300
We've got, it's 3.8-

1211
01:31:45,300 --> 01:31:45,600
Yeah.

1212
01:31:45,740 --> 01:31:46,500
So, we have that?

1213
01:31:46,740 --> 01:31:46,840
Yes.

1214
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:47,900
Oh, you have that, okay.

1215
01:31:47,900 --> 01:31:54,760
Right, so if you go to the bond, if you go to the expense part on page two, so you'll

1216
01:31:54,760 --> 01:32:03,560
see on Ginsburg to Blacklin there under bid or estimate, we're at 1.9, so what our estimate

1217
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:09,920
was for our section, and then back in here we've got about 1.9 remaining, so we've got

1218
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:17,780
just enough to possibly complete the entire road but but that may not be

1219
01:32:17,780 --> 01:32:21,080
something that's smart at this point because the construction traffic that's

1220
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:25,020
going to take place and the timing so that we may want to wait a little bit so

1221
01:32:25,020 --> 01:32:28,100
that was another option. We can build the whole thing, renegotiate our

1222
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:31,600
development agreement, get some impact fees from Edgewater later which

1223
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,360
will trickle into the roadway impact fee fund which you use for other

1224
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:41,560
projects like Ben Payne or whatever, and then, or we could wait, or we could do other

1225
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:42,500
projects as well.

1226
01:32:42,860 --> 01:32:48,480
Yeah, they're both phases, our piece, and then the Gettysburg piece, one's a thousand

1227
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:53,220
linear feet, the other one with around about is about 800 linear feet, so they're about

1228
01:32:53,220 --> 01:32:55,820
the same scope and size of projects.

1229
01:32:56,440 --> 01:33:02,780
And again, you know, one of the things that we were concerned with if we went

1230
01:33:02,780 --> 01:33:10,200
ahead and built that entire piece out into the Gettysburg portion into Edgewater is the

1231
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:17,760
fact that we would want to open that and we would put traffic on that and that does cause

1232
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:22,600
issues when you go to develop a neighborhood because the minute you open it up as we mentioned

1233
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,540
earlier it becomes an artery and it's going to be utilized and utilized heavily.

1234
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:34,620
So just for consideration, what would council like to do moving forward?

1235
01:33:49,740 --> 01:33:50,700
I'm going

1236
01:33:52,970 --> 01:33:57,230
to defer to Misty on that one. I can't really say.

1237
01:33:57,610 --> 01:33:59,930
You know, there is a lot of traffic on that side of town.

1238
01:33:59,930 --> 01:34:04,610
It will put it it would be a nice cut through but I'll let you speak to that

1239
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:10,370
Nicely, I think it would provide a reliever route basically for that sort of town

1240
01:34:11,410 --> 01:34:15,910
It'd be the cut through traffic through Edgewater back to 551 and then back and forth

1241
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:20,920
So so

1242
01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:24,980
This is going to help people get from the Blackland Road area

1243
01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:28,860
a couple

1244
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:39,460
of thoughts. But I'm thinking more about total relief on the south side and my

1245
01:34:39,460 --> 01:34:45,400
general thought would be, if we're going to prioritize projects, I'd rather, I'd like

1246
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:52,980
to understand, this is Gettysburg, Greenbriar. Greenbriar eventually is going to flow from

1247
01:34:52,980 --> 01:35:01,000
water tower further west between Green Bar and Rochelle I would between the two

1248
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,680
probably like to have an understanding which will provide more immediate relief

1249
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:11,540
to 30 especially the black land being pushed back in the I-30 project just

1250
01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:16,260
just what I'd like to understand if it's good to spend the money where's

1251
01:35:16,260 --> 01:35:22,080
our best bang for the buck to provide so yeah that's so that's so the

1252
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:25,980
Hunts are building that kind of like in a U shape and it's going to curve back into the

1253
01:35:25,980 --> 01:35:31,060
it's not actually going to go. So Gettysburg is going to punch all the way through to Rochelle.

1254
01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:32,400
Right, right. It's almost done.

1255
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,280
But, but, but Greenbriar.

1256
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,360
Greenbriar is going to curve down to the Access Road and we have a halfway between Rochelle and Rochelle.

1257
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:39,700
Like you saw.

1258
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:40,320
Right.

1259
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:42,200
Closer to industrial.

1260
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,340
And are the Hunts and the Charcot Group committed to build that part of the road?

1261
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:49,520
They are. Yeah, they're going to go slow as they go.

1262
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:55,520
They're so right now. They're building the section in front of phase two for pros and then they're going to continue as they build the commercial

1263
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:00,560
They're going to build it all the way to the frontage. And what's the time frame on Gettysburg opening up to Rochelle?

1264
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:03,940
Gettysburg Rochelle. It's close

1265
01:36:05,340 --> 01:36:11,160
I think Steve we're ready to we're probably ready to accept it next month expecting next month

1266
01:36:11,980 --> 01:36:16,080
Okay, well if the huts are going to build Gettysburg and we've got the money

1267
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:21,060
I'd probably rather spend the money now to go ahead and build it while costs are lower.

1268
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:22,420
This one?

1269
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:28,880
Yeah, build this proposed extension as opposed to waiting and if we've got the money for it.

1270
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:30,200
Mark.

1271
01:36:31,540 --> 01:36:32,440
I agree with Scott.

1272
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:34,680
It's not going to get any cheaper and longer we wait.

1273
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,980
And the fact that I live on the south side, I think it will give quite a bit of relief

1274
01:36:39,980 --> 01:36:44,600
to those folks that don't have to come all the way up to the intersection to turn

1275
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:48,000
to go to Roy City and sit, you know, and close freeways every day, but that's a

1276
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,460
different story for FedEx. Yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards build the whole thing so

1277
01:36:52,460 --> 01:36:56,180
that way we can kind of match up with the connection into Rochelle because then

1278
01:36:56,180 --> 01:36:59,480
maybe I'll get something on South Siders to leave that intersexual in so we

1279
01:36:59,480 --> 01:37:00,600
can get back to the north side.

1280
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,820
That happened. Hey, so here's my thoughts on

1281
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,940
this. I don't understand why Gettysburg, if I understand correct, from the

1282
01:37:09,940 --> 01:37:11,280
right along the idea, it's almost done.

1283
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:13,480
Literally almost done.

1284
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,780
You only have the intersection of Rochelle today, that's it.

1285
01:37:16,780 --> 01:37:18,100
Yeah, Eastward and Rochelle's pretty much done.

1286
01:37:18,220 --> 01:37:19,880
We're waiting on a waterline installation along the way.

1287
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:20,180
Correct.

1288
01:37:20,380 --> 01:37:21,480
That's why that's not open yet?

1289
01:37:22,220 --> 01:37:24,160
Yes, that's the primary reason it's not open.

1290
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,220
OK, so that's almost done right.

1291
01:37:26,700 --> 01:37:27,320
It takes a couple of months.

1292
01:37:27,860 --> 01:37:29,380
Any time frame on that, by chance?

1293
01:37:29,540 --> 01:37:30,880
I know it's down to like 50 feet.

1294
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,980
Currently working on the development agreement?

1295
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:33,480
Two months.

1296
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:34,480
Two months.

1297
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:35,680
There's only like 28 feet.

1298
01:37:35,820 --> 01:37:37,920
It's not a lot of feet there left to do, right?

1299
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,300
It's just that waterline's going

1300
01:37:39,300 --> 01:37:40,720
we go on the side, I might put back that,

1301
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:42,000
so we're just say two months.

1302
01:37:43,100 --> 01:37:44,780
Directly in that portion, that's not poured out,

1303
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:45,900
is where that water went.

1304
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,740
And then how much, and you have to help me miss on this one,

1305
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,620
how much traffic from back line that we actually have,

1306
01:37:52,460 --> 01:37:54,280
that we would reroute through?

1307
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,000
I see the Rochelle connector down to Gettysburg,

1308
01:37:57,100 --> 01:37:58,680
that's gonna be a huge reliever for the city,

1309
01:37:58,940 --> 01:38:01,580
just people seeing that upcoming right turn lane

1310
01:38:01,580 --> 01:38:02,760
and then congestion at the light,

1311
01:38:02,860 --> 01:38:04,160
people are gonna bypass that light

1312
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:05,300
and go down to Gettysburg,

1313
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:07,620
and then it will continue on to go to Eastside.

1314
01:38:07,620 --> 01:38:09,340
Offer offer a shot absolutely

1315
01:38:09,340 --> 01:38:15,780
Yeah, I'm fine with the council decision. Just build it all out. I prefer getting ahead of the guard caves

1316
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:22,700
Do we have any time frame for a light there because we're pushing more traffic through there

1317
01:38:23,140 --> 01:38:28,820
We'll need to it seems like much for a lot of years. Oh, we exactly we actually want to

1318
01:38:29,980 --> 01:38:33,640
So the lights help with the left turn movements, but they slow down regular traffic

1319
01:38:34,440 --> 01:38:39,800
So you kind of want to wait as long as you can until the intersection gets to almost to a point of failure then

1320
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:44,340
bring it up for the, otherwise if you call them in early it's not going to warrant.

1321
01:38:44,940 --> 01:38:48,900
And so the textile will come out, they'll do the traffic study and then they'll say you don't need one.

1322
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,580
So we'll just have to watch it and see how it goes.

1323
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:53,900
Were we talking about Signal at Rochelle or?

1324
01:38:54,660 --> 01:39:00,780
You've had Black, sorry, Gettysburg and 5-51.

1325
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:01,760
5-51, okay.

1326
01:39:03,740 --> 01:39:08,920
Yeah, we were watching, we've been watching, in fact, just the other day, Chief pulled some

1327
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:14,280
accident data for me and we got, do I remember who we sent that out, somebody asked for accident

1328
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:18,100
data, so we said, we'll give you all the accident data.

1329
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:22,500
It's not very exciting, bottom line, there's not a whole lot of accidents, there's, most

1330
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:29,460
of our accidents are at the I-3551's area, so in front of Fresh, the turn lane there,

1331
01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:32,240
and then a little bit beyond that whole section.

1332
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:34,000
That's where most the actions are.

1333
01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:35,660
But if you look at some of the other ones,

1334
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:37,540
there's not much down there.

1335
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,160
It is just kind of a pain to get through there at AMP.

1336
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:43,700
Okay, thank you, got it?

1337
01:39:43,940 --> 01:39:46,040
Yeah, so if council is open to it,

1338
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,720
what we could do is we'll move to 100% design.

1339
01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:52,620
We currently are issuing the PO today

1340
01:39:53,260 --> 01:39:55,640
for the demolition of the existing structure

1341
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:56,600
that's on the property.

1342
01:39:58,220 --> 01:40:03,340
If you wouldn't mind, I wouldn't mind actually reaching out to the developer just to see where

1343
01:40:03,340 --> 01:40:08,780
they currently stand on that next phase to see what that scheduling may look like in

1344
01:40:08,780 --> 01:40:12,640
relation to us going and putting bid specifications together and going out for bid.

1345
01:40:12,940 --> 01:40:19,320
Just to see if there's any opportunity there for us and then, if not, we can move forward

1346
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:20,840
and we'll bring that back to council.

1347
01:40:21,100 --> 01:40:21,580
Okay, perfect.

1348
01:40:21,780 --> 01:40:21,940
Thank you.

1349
01:40:22,440 --> 01:40:25,880
Can we take a five minute break for council and try to do that with the rest of them?

1350
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:26,540
Thank you.

1351
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:28,060
Thank you.

1352
01:40:28,060 --> 01:40:34,180
Well, this group at 750, something like the seven months, we're going to make that 750.

1353
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:34,600
That'd be great.

1354
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:34,860
Thanks.

1355
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,300
Okay.

1356
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,860
We're going to get restarted again at 754.

1357
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:44,980
We have another agenda request change.

1358
01:40:45,340 --> 01:40:45,480
Vicki?

1359
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,180
Hey, Vicki, turn it on.

1360
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:51,800
Yep.

1361
01:40:52,060 --> 01:40:52,780
I turned my mic off.

1362
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:53,020
Sorry.

1363
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:54,860
Next agenda item.

1364
01:40:54,980 --> 01:40:57,340
We're going to move to agenda item 6C.

1365
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:01,880
Discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding approval of communication

1366
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,080
and public engagement plan for the City of Fates.

1367
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,560
Any objections by council?

1368
01:41:07,260 --> 01:41:09,460
Shelby or Michael, who's introducing this one?

1369
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:10,740
Oh, I'm doing this one.

1370
01:41:12,180 --> 01:41:12,960
All right.

1371
01:41:16,440 --> 01:41:17,740
You have three minutes, no.

1372
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:19,580
Okay, no problem.

1373
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,040
Okay, we have a public engagement plan.

1374
01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:29,540
So our staff has put together Shelby Spencer

1375
01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:32,820
and Steven has also got quite a bit of a PIO background.

1376
01:41:32,980 --> 01:41:33,880
He's also reviewed it.

1377
01:41:34,260 --> 01:41:34,740
Oh, there you are.

1378
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,500
Keep looking in the audience.

1379
01:41:36,500 --> 01:41:39,920
I keep forgetting, yeah, he's in justice spot now.

1380
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,580
So, and I've of course looked at this as well.

1381
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:44,580
So here we go.

1382
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,440
Council, this is something you asked for back in the spring

1383
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,980
and with the intent of improving our community engagement.

1384
01:41:51,660 --> 01:41:53,900
So we do all sorts of things for community engagement.

1385
01:41:54,300 --> 01:41:55,680
We have different sorts of programs

1386
01:41:56,180 --> 01:41:59,440
and we want to of course include all these different

1387
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:01,340
events and the way we communicate with people

1388
01:42:01,340 --> 01:42:05,040
on social media to improve engagement with our community.

1389
01:42:05,480 --> 01:42:09,960
And so, some of our principles, we're going to tell our story, create a centralized approach

1390
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:15,720
to information, build relationships with our citizens, and be proactive versus reactive

1391
01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:16,400
with communication.

1392
01:42:16,620 --> 01:42:20,000
This is something you all have really stressed that you want to see improved, and of course

1393
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,520
we've added staff to be able to do this.

1394
01:42:21,580 --> 01:42:23,980
You all did that in the budget, which is making a big improvement.

1395
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:25,800
We'll show you some stats here in a second.

1396
01:42:27,020 --> 01:42:32,260
So our structure essentially comes out of the city manager's office, out through

1397
01:42:32,260 --> 01:42:37,240
the Stevens title in there too because he's going to be helping us a little bit with some

1398
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:42,880
of this is his background. And then the public safety is a big part of that. You'll see a

1399
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,520
lot of posts coming from on the social media side coming from public safety. So chief chief

1400
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:52,620
is a big help with that. And then we've also started to help with DPS and of course our

1401
01:42:52,620 --> 01:42:58,280
public information officer. Our target audience. So we've got a number of people we want to

1402
01:42:58,280 --> 01:43:01,840
communicate with internally we've got our own staff as our staff gets bigger and

1403
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:05,560
bigger we're getting a lot of information you'll see different snippets in

1404
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:09,760
our reports of how we're actually communicating better with our own staff

1405
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:14,200
and then especially as we go to multiple sites so now we've got public works

1406
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:19,340
off-site we've always had DPS off-site City Council you all different

1407
01:43:19,340 --> 01:43:23,320
information we've got some different tools for you all departments and then

1408
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,600
our other boards and commissions some of our other officials and then of

1409
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:27,660
Of course, the big one is external.

1410
01:43:28,100 --> 01:43:30,760
Citizens, businesses, the media visitors,

1411
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:32,780
a lot of our clubs and nonprofits,

1412
01:43:33,340 --> 01:43:36,460
and then even real estate developers and HOAs.

1413
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:38,820
Go to the next slide real quick, and I'll come back then.

1414
01:43:39,620 --> 01:43:41,760
So one thing I think external needs to be on here

1415
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:45,940
is the state, let's say, our state elected officials.

1416
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:50,860
Oh yes, I didn't see it in here at all.

1417
01:43:50,900 --> 01:43:52,900
No, no, I think that maybe that's,

1418
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:55,180
because we have a specialized crew for that.

1419
01:43:55,180 --> 01:44:02,260
We've got the the guys in Austin and we've got the folks in DC. So that's more that's kind of more you and I have been

1420
01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:04,700
Yeah, kind of delegated that I had no problem doing it

1421
01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:10,580
I had no problem leading that political fibers most of our politics by the way most of time about getting them do the thing

1422
01:44:10,580 --> 01:44:14,100
So you're okay as a council. Okay. Not just the way we do it today

1423
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:15,280
or

1424
01:44:15,860 --> 01:44:16,260
basically

1425
01:44:17,340 --> 01:44:23,340
Any of the Austin's that is handled by focus on see myself and Michael and the political fights that we get with the state

1426
01:44:23,340 --> 01:44:29,220
I've been handling those either by letters to the state or letters to the state or I post on social media.

1427
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,300
Everybody okay with that process to me in that way?

1428
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:33,260
Okay.

1429
01:44:34,740 --> 01:44:35,180
Sure.

1430
01:44:35,660 --> 01:44:36,560
Do you take the beating?

1431
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:37,320
Okay.

1432
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:37,920
Thank you, my question.

1433
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:40,680
That's why I saw that was missing.

1434
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:42,200
I want to make sure that we cover that tonight.

1435
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:42,900
Okay.

1436
01:44:43,060 --> 01:44:43,240
Thanks.

1437
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:44,420
And channels.

1438
01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:46,640
We've got a pretty robust website.

1439
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:50,800
It started really small and now it's quite large.

1440
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:55,080
there's quite a bit of information on the website. The other fun part is

1441
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,680
Because now that we've got a chatbot, they've all seen our little chatbot, so we've got Barry

1442
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:09,560
the chatbot, which Spencer has trained how to answer many questions, so he's continually

1443
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:11,040
training Barry the chatbot.

1444
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:13,120
So I use chatbot, dude.

1445
01:45:13,580 --> 01:45:14,120
It is not.

1446
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:14,960
Yeah.

1447
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,080
I use chatbot, dude.

1448
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:18,080
Who's the mayor?

1449
01:45:18,380 --> 01:45:19,880
I got no answer for the chatbot.

1450
01:45:22,220 --> 01:45:23,140
We're going to have to train him.

1451
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:24,840
We're going to have to train him.

1452
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:29,760
We're going to have to train him.

1453
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:32,040
I haven't even thought about the answer yet.

1454
01:45:32,420 --> 01:45:36,220
Therefore, you just have the wrong city councillor and he said, no, I don't think so.

1455
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,260
So we got a deal on the chatbot.

1456
01:45:39,940 --> 01:45:41,280
Like we got a deal.

1457
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:44,820
Like we do with everything.

1458
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:47,720
I have to train him all the answers right now.

1459
01:45:48,180 --> 01:45:50,100
Yes, I haven't taught him who you are.

1460
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,360
Thank you for doing that, by the way.

1461
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:55,400
It comes through.

1462
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:57,960
So it's through our it's through our website provider.

1463
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:04,620
And it's kind of like an add-on we did a little add-on to try and you know buzz boost public engagement quite a bit of folks are using it

1464
01:46:04,620 --> 01:46:04,920
We think

1465
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,680
But they have not integrated some of the newest technology. So it's the chat GPT for

1466
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:16,900
However, we are getting a free upgrade once they integrate the chat GPT for so it should become much more powerful

1467
01:46:16,900 --> 01:46:23,040
So on this one real quick. So when will chat by you use AI in the background is that coming up?

1468
01:46:23,220 --> 01:46:27,240
It's kind of yeah, I don't think we've got a timeline for that, but it's coming up. Hopefully fairly quick

1469
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:38,420
They're hoping for the end of the summer, so it could be any minute.

1470
01:46:38,980 --> 01:46:45,300
And then how are we going to make sure, I know everybody loves AI and everybody likes playing with AI, you know, like figure out the holes in it.

1471
01:46:45,620 --> 01:46:50,320
So do you get feedback? And honestly, do you get feedback from it when you get the incorrect answer?

1472
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,400
Or do we get feedback on AI or do we just have to wake up people complaining about how does that work?

1473
01:46:54,540 --> 01:47:02,680
We get immediate feedback. So individuals can go and use the chatbot and then we have a portal.

1474
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:09,660
we can go in and see exactly what they asked and what the answer was from the

1475
01:47:09,660 --> 01:47:13,540
bot and then we can train it to correctly answer that question.

1476
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,500
And then can you turn your mind off?

1477
01:47:15,780 --> 01:47:18,260
I'm late John alone tonight. I'm really going to pick on John Patrick.

1478
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,880
I almost my bot. Can we just train it in your mind?

1479
01:47:22,340 --> 01:47:26,100
So I will say that since it got put on there I've had two

1480
01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:29,320
notes saying that somebody thought they had virus on their machine because of

1481
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:34,900
that. Is there any like notice that we gave people? It's sort of got a teddy bear

1482
01:47:34,900 --> 01:47:38,300
that showed up on their web page. Y'all remember which windows was it back in the

1483
01:47:38,300 --> 01:47:43,660
day when the little paper clip? Y'all remember windows? Is it Windows 95 with

1484
01:47:43,660 --> 01:47:48,820
a little paper clip guy? Maybe dating myself. But now it kind of floats in the

1485
01:47:48,820 --> 01:47:54,700
background like that. Where did we put the notice for it that it was

1486
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:57,660
being added to the site? Because it sort of just popped up on the site one

1487
01:47:57,660 --> 01:48:03,880
day for me. No it just, we didn't really put a notice out. We just live, we did some

1488
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:09,080
internal use but not for the pump. Okay I think it's as long as we're monitoring it

1489
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:11,820
then we know what this was doing and we can correct as we go along that big

1490
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:16,880
difference. And now even, but even just having a good website now, you know

1491
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:20,300
it's before the website is kind of clunky, the search engine is horrible,

1492
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:25,920
etc. But if you have content on your web page, so now with it with

1493
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,040
with the regular AI. Even you go to things like Google's got barred. Bing, so remember

1494
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:39,040
Bing wasn't such a great... Bing is now integrated with ChatGPT3, ChatGPT4. And so if you've

1495
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:43,100
got content on your website and you ask a specific enough question, the AI will find

1496
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:47,220
it. It is amazing. It's an amazing tool. So other people's search engines, other

1497
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:50,540
people's AI, if we've got content on our site, we can get it to people if they're

1498
01:48:50,540 --> 01:48:51,160
looking for it.

1499
01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:56,740
So forward fate that's the comp plan site that's still active Ryan's been

1500
01:48:56,740 --> 01:48:59,960
updating that and that's a tool that we're using especially with a lot of

1501
01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:03,560
our guides for planning that we're going to be getting there's a lot of

1502
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:07,080
interest in planning and then Zen City we've got the new tool called Zen City

1503
01:49:07,080 --> 01:49:10,840
which is really neat and we'll be there's much more to come from that

1504
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,280
but we're going to be tracking some analysis actually so show you some

1505
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,980
stats from that. Social media platforms primarily at

1506
01:49:16,980 --> 01:49:23,120
Facebook our target person is a essentially a female between the

1507
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:27,880
age of 30 and 35 and so that is our that is our target audience that is our

1508
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:32,720
biggest user group we have about 10,000 followers on Facebook DPS has got about

1509
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:37,520
11 they're ahead of us and they usually they're usually ahead of us we've also

1510
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:42,300
started Instagram so that's kind of fun trying to get a little bit of try

1511
01:49:42,300 --> 01:49:45,360
to hit a little bit younger crowd but not a whole lot there's a lot of them

1512
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:46,880
We're also on Facebook.

1513
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:49,700
And then linked in a little bit of that YouTube.

1514
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:52,120
We need to probably do some updates to YouTube,

1515
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:53,700
but it's kind of a neat platform too.

1516
01:49:56,380 --> 01:49:58,260
And in Coms channels, public notices, of course,

1517
01:49:58,700 --> 01:50:00,420
digital print media releases.

1518
01:50:01,060 --> 01:50:03,140
And then we've got some crisis communications,

1519
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:04,360
that stuff that we're doing,

1520
01:50:04,860 --> 01:50:06,140
along with our public information.

1521
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:08,520
So we're starting to develop

1522
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:09,700
some of those crisis plans.

1523
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:11,220
Yes, Sam.

1524
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:12,960
Yes.

1525
01:50:13,660 --> 01:50:13,940
Thank you.

1526
01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:16,880
And then city-wide, of course, we got city-wide support.

1527
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,420
We're able to support other departments

1528
01:50:19,420 --> 01:50:20,140
as they're doing things.

1529
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,880
The departments have been feeding us things like pictures

1530
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:23,680
that we need.

1531
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:25,920
So whenever you see content going out there,

1532
01:50:26,380 --> 01:50:29,460
the departments have been helping us with everything

1533
01:50:29,460 --> 01:50:31,460
for like you see here, public works, parks,

1534
01:50:31,740 --> 01:50:32,680
and public safety.

1535
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,280
And of course, metrics.

1536
01:50:35,500 --> 01:50:38,520
We've got some great metrics, both from our website.

1537
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,520
We've got data from the community survey,

1538
01:50:40,700 --> 01:50:42,500
and then we've got data from Zensity.

1539
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:44,720
So we just want to kind of show you some neat stuff.

1540
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:49,300
Our reach on our Facebook, this is from Zen City stats

1541
01:50:49,300 --> 01:50:52,400
between, let's look at January,

1542
01:50:52,580 --> 01:50:56,760
essentially January to February, about 49,000.

1543
01:50:56,760 --> 01:51:00,700
And we're up to, here in June, we're up to about 54,000

1544
01:51:00,700 --> 01:51:03,500
on our reach, so we're continually boosting our reach

1545
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:04,180
on our Facebook.

1546
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,500
DPS is kind of fluttered up and down,

1547
01:51:07,720 --> 01:51:09,340
but we're going to be helping them up.

1548
01:51:09,340 --> 01:51:13,740
And so we're up about 11 point, almost 12, almost 12%.

1549
01:51:13,740 --> 01:51:15,800
And then Instagram, of course we just started Instagram,

1550
01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:17,080
we'll weigh up on Instagram.

1551
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:22,220
And then lastly, in Zen City,

1552
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:24,720
we've got a partnership with Zen City,

1553
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,800
they're analyzing a lot of our public communication

1554
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,760
strategy, this is something we turned on here

1555
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:30,380
about midway through summer.

1556
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:32,200
And our big emphasis is on,

1557
01:51:32,720 --> 01:51:34,360
because we noticed a challenge in the,

1558
01:51:34,900 --> 01:51:36,840
you know, challenging one of our things in our survey,

1559
01:51:37,060 --> 01:51:38,980
we got kind of collaborate in our survey this year,

1560
01:51:38,980 --> 01:51:44,480
That the city is progressing really well, but one of the things we got hit on is kind of the whole planning

1561
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:52,180
World and how people were understanding that we think that a lot of that was the timing of when the survey was being answered because the

1562
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:55,940
Stevenson issue was going on during the during the

1563
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,080
Questioning however, we want to really focus on

1564
01:51:59,660 --> 01:52:03,380
You know strategy. Let's say hey, here's here's what we're trying to do with our comprehensive plan

1565
01:52:03,380 --> 01:52:04,980
Here's where we're trying to take the city

1566
01:52:04,980 --> 01:52:08,300
there's a lot of really good positive things that can happen and so we're

1567
01:52:08,300 --> 01:52:11,680
getting some feedback there should be a part two to the communications plan

1568
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:16,180
coming and I think we're shooting for September maybe October it's that time

1569
01:52:16,180 --> 01:52:23,360
frame and then I've got Spencer and Shelby over here Shelby you've kind of

1570
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,320
scooted up to the mic would you like to say something I

1571
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,280
feel very formal

1572
01:52:35,120 --> 01:52:39,760
I would move down if you had any additional questions or needed any clarification on anything.

1573
01:52:39,860 --> 01:52:40,620
Lance, any questions?

1574
01:52:41,700 --> 01:52:51,260
On your very first slide, there was one thing I noticed that I would think that we did, not this one, keep going.

1575
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:55,800
Maybe it was the third slide. This one, guiding principles.

1576
01:52:55,800 --> 01:53:03,560
I think one of the things that we need to establish in here is education of our citizens as a

1577
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:03,780
point.

1578
01:53:06,360 --> 01:53:07,600
Education of our citizens.

1579
01:53:13,590 --> 01:53:20,210
Well, there's topics on, there's topics that we should be, I think that we should be putting

1580
01:53:20,210 --> 01:53:24,230
out like, you know, why does your water bill go up in the summertime?

1581
01:53:25,490 --> 01:53:25,810
Right.

1582
01:53:25,810 --> 01:53:30,850
I mean general information type of stuff like that that we get questioned all the time about

1583
01:53:31,410 --> 01:53:36,090
Well, I didn't do anything this summer. I haven't changed the way I've watered. I haven't done this

1584
01:53:36,090 --> 01:53:38,810
But yet my water bill was three times harder than what it is. Yeah

1585
01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:45,690
Yeah, it'd be like a jet like gender. I don't give a look on a councilman's they don't send how the genders are structured

1586
01:53:45,690 --> 01:53:52,470
They don't know how genders work here. What public comment versus, you know, I basically, you know, like a board presentation

1587
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:55,330
on action, they're loud applicants, loud unlearned of time.

1588
01:53:56,190 --> 01:53:56,970
That's how they were all right.

1589
01:53:57,110 --> 01:53:58,670
Just so like that, they just don't come to county,

1590
01:53:58,750 --> 01:53:59,630
they just don't know, right?

1591
01:53:59,650 --> 01:54:01,370
They don't get upset, and they were like,

1592
01:54:01,530 --> 01:54:03,330
they can get it kind of cross-eyed, so we can,

1593
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:03,610
I agree with you.

1594
01:54:03,610 --> 01:54:06,010
We've tried to think about and anticipate

1595
01:54:06,810 --> 01:54:08,030
from a day-to-day standpoint,

1596
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:09,610
what kind of stuff is coming up.

1597
01:54:09,670 --> 01:54:13,130
So you'll see the post that we did today.

1598
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:14,130
It was good, yeah.

1599
01:54:14,290 --> 01:54:17,270
On the build to rent or the single family rental.

1600
01:54:17,370 --> 01:54:20,370
So that zoning action took place years ago,

1601
01:54:20,370 --> 01:54:23,530
but it's now just finally starting to go

1602
01:54:23,530 --> 01:54:25,850
with the demolition, you all saw the demolition of the house.

1603
01:54:26,330 --> 01:54:28,610
So we figured, okay, that people are gonna start asking

1604
01:54:28,610 --> 01:54:29,450
like, what's going there?

1605
01:54:29,590 --> 01:54:30,970
But I think today for example,

1606
01:54:31,090 --> 01:54:32,250
I think the Wood Creek stuff,

1607
01:54:33,110 --> 01:54:34,370
I think the road stories are really important

1608
01:54:34,370 --> 01:54:34,990
to keep pushing.

1609
01:54:35,390 --> 01:54:37,250
Like in the comments today, where we were saying traffic

1610
01:54:37,250 --> 01:54:39,730
again, which is not true, right?

1611
01:54:39,890 --> 01:54:41,130
That's not causing more transparency

1612
01:54:41,130 --> 01:54:42,450
since that we have today,

1613
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:45,950
but keep pushing, we're proactively building roads now,

1614
01:54:46,150 --> 01:54:46,390
right?

1615
01:54:46,590 --> 01:54:47,530
I think the words are important,

1616
01:54:47,730 --> 01:54:49,370
proactively, that's why push, right?

1617
01:54:49,370 --> 01:54:55,470
You know we heard you now. We're pushing it right now anyway, but more frequent road updates

1618
01:54:55,470 --> 01:55:02,650
So we know from our survey on the survey that Shelby did earlier about how people want to be communicating with we know

1619
01:55:02,650 --> 01:55:05,810
They really are interested in its roads

1620
01:55:06,410 --> 01:55:08,010
development taxes

1621
01:55:09,070 --> 01:55:10,570
I don't know

1622
01:55:10,570 --> 01:55:15,610
So they want to know the traffic updates what's going on with our roads Scott gave a really great road bond update

1623
01:55:15,610 --> 01:55:17,710
It's making sure we're pushing out that information.

1624
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:19,530
It's making sure we're pushing out any planning

1625
01:55:19,530 --> 01:55:20,910
and development information.

1626
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:23,830
So as Ryan's getting new developers coming in

1627
01:55:23,830 --> 01:55:25,350
to the community wanting to build here,

1628
01:55:25,450 --> 01:55:26,830
we're sharing that information out.

1629
01:55:27,190 --> 01:55:28,690
And to the point, you know,

1630
01:55:28,750 --> 01:55:31,290
these developments were approved years ago

1631
01:55:31,290 --> 01:55:32,770
and they're just now starting construction.

1632
01:55:32,770 --> 01:55:34,450
So it's again, just telling that story

1633
01:55:34,450 --> 01:55:35,830
and reminding the residents here

1634
01:55:36,430 --> 01:55:38,230
that it's not new information,

1635
01:55:38,670 --> 01:55:41,470
you're just maybe perhaps seeing it for the first time.

1636
01:55:41,690 --> 01:55:43,230
So helping them understand.

1637
01:55:43,530 --> 01:55:44,990
Yeah, I think I would make sure we put dates

1638
01:55:44,990 --> 01:55:49,370
It's like the Williamsburg Pro's apartments, some of these, it's 2008 that you don't, okay,

1639
01:55:49,490 --> 01:55:52,570
got it, you know, why'd you prove, well, 2008, okay.

1640
01:55:53,290 --> 01:55:53,650
2008.

1641
01:55:53,810 --> 01:55:57,270
It's like you put it, Dave was proof five years ago, so we could put like a year, it's fine

1642
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:57,410
with me.

1643
01:55:57,410 --> 01:55:59,410
Then 2012 and then 2016.

1644
01:55:59,770 --> 01:56:00,170
Yeah, exactly.

1645
01:56:00,490 --> 01:56:02,310
You could see the progression of it.

1646
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:07,330
So the thing we educate, hey, we always have a period of time, it's how you roll

1647
01:56:07,330 --> 01:56:10,850
in Texas, since we have a lot of new people from different states, they're not used

1648
01:56:10,850 --> 01:56:11,370
to this.

1649
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:12,030
Right.

1650
01:56:12,030 --> 01:56:18,450
And the other thing, too, would be like a property tax, again, feeding out how the property tax

1651
01:56:18,450 --> 01:56:22,210
or how the city tax is affected as compared to the mud taxes.

1652
01:56:22,510 --> 01:56:23,470
What's a mud tax?

1653
01:56:24,450 --> 01:56:24,610
Right?

1654
01:56:24,850 --> 01:56:29,230
People, they're still questioning, well, how is this going to affect our mud tax?

1655
01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:30,970
Well, sorry, it's not, right?

1656
01:56:31,190 --> 01:56:38,170
I mean, general educational things that seem to be coming up time and time again,

1657
01:56:38,610 --> 01:56:38,910
you know?

1658
01:56:39,130 --> 01:56:39,210
Yeah.

1659
01:56:39,210 --> 01:56:43,470
So how are we pushing this out on which media?

1660
01:56:45,680 --> 01:56:48,260
We're leveraging all of our platforms.

1661
01:56:48,540 --> 01:56:52,620
So again, we have our standard website, fakedx.gov.

1662
01:56:53,420 --> 01:56:55,100
Ryan's doing a lot of the development

1663
01:56:55,100 --> 01:56:58,200
and kind of our comprehensive guidelines through Fort Bates.

1664
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,580
Part of what we're doing within Citi this late summer fall

1665
01:57:02,580 --> 01:57:05,920
is we are actually creating project platforms.

1666
01:57:06,220 --> 01:57:07,700
So it does give that timeline.

1667
01:57:07,700 --> 01:57:10,440
It gives checklists of what developers are doing.

1668
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:13,580
So it's going to be a really robust information portal

1669
01:57:13,580 --> 01:57:17,000
for all of the developments that are going on currently within the city.

1670
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:21,620
And then through all of those, we're leveraging our social media accounts

1671
01:57:21,620 --> 01:57:24,920
to get out to the public to connect them back to these different platforms.

1672
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:33,560
So how are we getting the citizens to know about these platforms for them to go and sign up for?

1673
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:39,440
I mean, I went to a page that says, for notifications, do this, but it's not totally intuitive, such

1674
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,780
as click here for, you know, like us on LinkedIn or Facebook or something.

1675
01:57:44,780 --> 01:57:50,360
A big part of what we're doing with Zinn City currently, so we're doing kind of a back-end

1676
01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:51,420
work right now.

1677
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:56,480
So we're really identifying our current strategies that we're using to see where

1678
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:57,860
the gap is so that we can be better.

1679
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:08,860
We are looking forward to them kind of helping us bridge that gap a little bit cleaner and then also providing some recommendations on how we can further engage with the community and the residents.

1680
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:09,600
Yeah.

1681
01:58:10,260 --> 01:58:10,620
Okay.

1682
01:58:11,320 --> 01:58:11,680
Thanks.

1683
01:58:11,900 --> 01:58:16,400
The one thing we got to realize on what I told them is the misinformation out there, right?

1684
01:58:16,500 --> 01:58:22,280
We see examples of it getting traction for no reason and then we get like taxed.

1685
01:58:22,340 --> 01:58:25,980
We have to figure out how to explain tax to people that, you know, where a small part

1686
01:58:25,980 --> 01:58:30,340
of your tax bill, one part of the tax bill doesn't solve the problem, it just makes

1687
01:58:30,340 --> 01:58:31,420
you feel good, right?

1688
01:58:31,540 --> 01:58:35,720
So we have to figure out how to do, like, to explain taxes and then deal with misinformation.

1689
01:58:35,720 --> 01:58:37,780
So it's not going to have to happen with part of that.

1690
01:58:38,700 --> 01:58:40,000
Unfortunately, for London and Fay,

1691
01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,400
we kind of avoided it for a while,

1692
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:43,520
which seems like now it's kind of come back again.

1693
01:58:44,140 --> 01:58:45,940
And we can get a hit of the curb again, that'd be great.

1694
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:47,780
Heather, I'm sorry, Mark, yeah.

1695
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:49,160
Mark, here.

1696
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:52,680
Okay, so Ryan did a really good presentation

1697
01:58:53,100 --> 01:58:58,760
a while back on all of the already entitled properties.

1698
01:58:59,100 --> 01:59:01,160
They included the numbers of homes

1699
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:01,840
that were going to be there.

1700
01:59:01,900 --> 01:59:04,180
That would be great to have the overall,

1701
01:59:04,180 --> 01:59:08,260
like how many homes are going to be in this neighborhood because people ask

1702
01:59:08,260 --> 01:59:11,160
that question all the time as well so I think you did a really job on that

1703
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:16,040
presentation I've I've used it multiple times to educate and I think doing

1704
01:59:16,040 --> 01:59:23,800
something like that would be as well one last thing the I know sometimes you

1705
01:59:23,800 --> 01:59:33,960
have to breathe I'll take all my three minutes the the education

1706
01:59:33,960 --> 01:59:37,880
being video form that you know short videos now tick tock that's where things

1707
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:44,700
very influential even on the older residents like myself so if we can get

1708
01:59:44,700 --> 01:59:47,780
it in video form people tend to watch that rather than read out you know 15

1709
01:59:47,780 --> 01:59:55,120
paragraph long deal so Heather so are you having any luck with getting some

1710
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,100
we've always had a decent relationship with the HOA's but a little bit more

1711
01:59:59,100 --> 01:59:59,760
buy-in from

1712
02:00:01,340 --> 02:00:07,940
They send out newsletters every month, every quarter. I mean, I don't know why we can't be

1713
02:00:07,940 --> 02:00:13,000
on the newsletter of, you know, here. This is where you go to address anything city-wide,

1714
02:00:13,260 --> 02:00:22,520
right? I've never seen them in my HOA newsletter. That would reach a lot of people a lot faster

1715
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:26,420
than even what we're able to do with our website because everybody reads the HOA newsletter.

1716
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:32,740
Yeah, we've used it for, for the power switch, back when we first started with the power switch.

1717
02:00:32,740 --> 02:00:34,160
And Wood Creek does a good job in the H-O-A.

1718
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:35,700
We have kind of solved that.

1719
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:36,740
Yeah, we have several.

1720
02:00:37,880 --> 02:00:44,280
Yeah, and Wood Creek is a big one, Wood Creek is huge, those two neighborhoods, and then you all have...

1721
02:00:44,280 --> 02:00:50,300
We actually included a lot of that information in our annual meeting slideshow,

1722
02:00:50,580 --> 02:00:52,920
and even before I got on the council we did that as well.

1723
02:00:53,620 --> 02:01:00,980
We have a pretty active page for our neighborhood and I think, you know, putting the valid information on there would be helpful as well.

1724
02:01:03,450 --> 02:01:12,730
Yeah, it would be nice if we could talk them into putting a link to the city webpage, you know, for all their new residents and all that kind of stuff so that way it just kind of eases that transition.

1725
02:01:13,770 --> 02:01:22,170
On the other side, I've really enjoyed the content that's been pushed out. You can definitely notice that it's been a shift.

1726
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:26,490
it's very concise, you can glance at it, you know exactly what's going on and you

1727
02:01:26,490 --> 02:01:29,310
can move on, you know, you can do the doom scrolling and still see what's

1728
02:01:29,310 --> 02:01:37,030
happening, you know what I mean. So yeah, good job there. One more question. Sorry,

1729
02:01:37,230 --> 02:01:43,670
I know I briefed. The organization chart where you said everything's coming from

1730
02:01:43,670 --> 02:01:49,370
the city manager's office, is DPS still gonna maintain autonomy of their site,

1731
02:01:49,370 --> 02:01:55,770
of their media. Yeah, chief can put whatever we don't screen his posts. He's

1732
02:01:55,770 --> 02:02:01,510
very judicious about what he puts on there. So if it's a mistake generally I put

1733
02:02:01,510 --> 02:02:06,510
it on there so I've stopped putting posts up but but chief does his stuff and then

1734
02:02:06,510 --> 02:02:10,830
we've support we're supporting him. Yeah we're just support for chief. Yeah I've noticed a lot of

1735
02:02:10,830 --> 02:02:14,410
his own. Yeah getting shared and stuff like that. I just saw this and I just

1736
02:02:14,410 --> 02:02:16,750
I just wanted to make sure that was continuing, so yeah, cool.

1737
02:02:17,210 --> 02:02:24,110
Okay, so first off, you've definitely seen an increase in stuff going out the last 60, 90 days.

1738
02:02:24,690 --> 02:02:26,050
It's all good information.

1739
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:31,070
Even the stuff people don't necessarily like to see, like traffic circles and stuff like that.

1740
02:02:31,150 --> 02:02:33,290
It's good information. I think it's a great avenue to get it out.

1741
02:02:34,570 --> 02:02:39,130
My one question, I agree with Lance on we need to figure out a better

1742
02:02:39,130 --> 02:02:45,890
citizen-in-gate education strategy on muds and pits and all the things that

1743
02:02:45,890 --> 02:02:51,870
impact tax rate. I know we've got a section on our website on that but I would imagine

1744
02:02:51,870 --> 02:02:54,770
if you look at our website hits are probably pretty minimal and if you look

1745
02:02:54,770 --> 02:03:00,650
at that specific page it's probably almost non-existent so. Oh Justin's got a

1746
02:03:00,650 --> 02:03:06,270
great page that he's not here tonight but do y'all remember the one you

1747
02:03:06,270 --> 02:03:10,190
put up last year so we're populating he's working on that we're populating that

1748
02:03:10,190 --> 02:03:14,910
we just need some information but there's a really neat page that he's got

1749
02:03:14,910 --> 02:03:18,750
where you can you put in your address or you put in not your necessary address you

1750
02:03:18,750 --> 02:03:22,990
put in where you live in the city and it'll show you your tax bill estimates

1751
02:03:22,990 --> 02:03:28,110
for so we've got some stuff we can always we can always try to get you

1752
02:03:28,110 --> 02:03:33,150
know people's attention to it the piece that I would also like to see

1753
02:03:33,150 --> 02:03:42,970
to do better on is, especially as it relates to development, is anticipating the backlash

1754
02:03:43,510 --> 02:03:49,670
and being proactive in getting the word out as opposed to letting a social medium blow

1755
02:03:49,670 --> 02:03:55,450
up with, like the mayor said, misinformation because on the last several deals, the misinformation

1756
02:03:55,450 --> 02:04:01,490
gets out there and gets traction and it's just difficult to turn it back and especially

1757
02:04:01,490 --> 02:04:07,130
with some of the developments we've got coming up you tracked in particular and I

1758
02:04:07,130 --> 02:04:10,450
don't know if that's a city issue or if that's something the council needs to be

1759
02:04:10,450 --> 02:04:14,590
more that's ours we've been trying to get ahead of some of that stuff in

1760
02:04:14,590 --> 02:04:18,150
fact we'll we'll probably have something that goes out here that because

1761
02:04:18,150 --> 02:04:23,910
Stevenson's coming back on the 21st for a workshop right so there's no plan

1762
02:04:23,910 --> 02:04:28,010
per se to look at it but yeah we were we're designing our things to get

1763
02:04:29,490 --> 02:04:32,850
So we've been trying to be more proactive rather than reactive.

1764
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:33,370
Exactly.

1765
02:04:33,890 --> 02:04:34,590
That's what we're doing.

1766
02:04:34,970 --> 02:04:41,610
And we've noticed a significant difference with how we were proactive with U-Track coming

1767
02:04:41,610 --> 02:04:47,670
in with the workshop that they just did and more interaction before that happened rather

1768
02:04:47,670 --> 02:04:52,010
than if we were reactive after that workshop.

1769
02:04:52,210 --> 02:04:53,890
We have to change strategies on that.

1770
02:04:53,950 --> 02:04:54,730
That's why we have all the workshops.

1771
02:04:55,010 --> 02:04:55,230
Right.

1772
02:04:55,230 --> 02:05:01,390
We change strategy to get the workshops in the first each and then we stop in the below. Yeah, and Ryan's been doing an awesome job

1773
02:05:01,390 --> 02:05:08,010
Setting those up and helping us to be proactive with distributing the information before those

1774
02:05:08,010 --> 02:05:13,810
Yeah, could completely understand in the workshops and I get that especially on on projects like that that have been denied before

1775
02:05:13,810 --> 02:05:18,450
But but there's gonna be stuff that comes in that we're not gonna have that opportunity to workshop

1776
02:05:18,450 --> 02:05:20,510
they're just gonna come in and make a proposal and

1777
02:05:20,510 --> 02:05:27,650
And, again, if we can get the word out just to, I don't want to say control the messaging,

1778
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:30,070
but to get in front of any potential backlash.

1779
02:05:30,750 --> 02:05:31,610
So let's see why that happens.

1780
02:05:31,610 --> 02:05:32,310
Otherwise it's the letters.

1781
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:37,370
They get the letters in the mail and someone takes a screen shot of the newspaper and then.

1782
02:05:37,870 --> 02:05:38,310
Exactly.

1783
02:05:38,810 --> 02:05:39,790
Well, part of it is state law.

1784
02:05:39,990 --> 02:05:46,610
The problem is, this is my favorite complaint by the state is you have to put in a newspaper.

1785
02:05:47,410 --> 02:05:48,290
You can't put it on a website.

1786
02:05:48,290 --> 02:05:51,250
I mean, some of the state law has to change, right?

1787
02:05:51,410 --> 02:05:53,550
If we put it on the website, we can control the message.

1788
02:05:54,190 --> 02:05:56,210
But the small bit, you know, small newspapers,

1789
02:05:56,770 --> 02:05:58,270
a lot of this is really effective,

1790
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:59,970
and now we still can't do it.

1791
02:06:00,070 --> 02:06:01,690
So it's almost more of a disadvantage to have a state

1792
02:06:01,690 --> 02:06:03,390
that's set up with notification processes.

1793
02:06:04,490 --> 02:06:06,030
We try to change the mobile time.

1794
02:06:06,230 --> 02:06:07,250
We just can't get traction on it.

1795
02:06:07,290 --> 02:06:10,550
We've had a dedicated educational campaign about,

1796
02:06:11,410 --> 02:06:12,850
you know, our comprehensive plan

1797
02:06:12,850 --> 02:06:15,390
and trying to show folks why there's some real

1798
02:06:15,390 --> 02:06:16,770
positives in our comprehensive plan.

1799
02:06:16,770 --> 02:06:20,930
So it's really neat and we're able to track that's in city. We're able to track, you know

1800
02:06:20,930 --> 02:06:26,930
official pages and things like that because what you'll see is as you mentioned with scrolling like you just

1801
02:06:27,470 --> 02:06:29,150
We've talked about this before you

1802
02:06:29,730 --> 02:06:34,090
Someone gets on there and you're watching them go through their feed. You know like oh my goodness like

1803
02:06:34,670 --> 02:06:35,790
Where's the city stuff?

1804
02:06:36,090 --> 02:06:40,630
It just goes going and going and going going they follow so many people that we're just competing with all that activity

1805
02:06:40,630 --> 02:06:43,410
But we've noticed that since we've pushed a lot of this stuff

1806
02:06:44,170 --> 02:06:46,750
proactively put out some videos and different things from

1807
02:06:46,750 --> 02:06:49,070
linking with other different groups or stuff that we're doing

1808
02:06:49,070 --> 02:06:51,270
that we're getting a lot of likes.

1809
02:06:51,670 --> 02:06:54,510
So, you know, we've got, every once in a while you get people like,

1810
02:06:54,670 --> 02:06:57,610
ah, I hate this stuff and, you know, this belongs in Dallas

1811
02:06:57,610 --> 02:07:00,110
or whatever, you know, don't frisco my fate or whatever.

1812
02:07:00,370 --> 02:07:01,170
All these different things.

1813
02:07:01,810 --> 02:07:03,030
And so you get five of those.

1814
02:07:03,370 --> 02:07:04,870
But then if you look at the sentiment,

1815
02:07:05,570 --> 02:07:08,150
there's 35 people that just like that video.

1816
02:07:08,650 --> 02:07:10,830
So what we want is, so you've got your moms,

1817
02:07:11,490 --> 02:07:17,230
I watch my wife go through this to they have a hundred and fifty they're just going like this for ten minutes looking at stuff

1818
02:07:17,230 --> 02:07:20,250
And so they may stop for a fraction of a second

1819
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:24,310
As they're look at the video or not look at look at it

1820
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:29,190
But they may like what they see and then move on and so we want to capture, you know

1821
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:30,670
busy people

1822
02:07:31,470 --> 02:07:38,190
That are going to be for a lot of this stuff that is going to make our city stronger in the long run financially

1823
02:07:38,850 --> 02:07:40,430
So what do you need from us tonight?

1824
02:07:42,010 --> 02:07:45,470
Really, this is just a check-in for us to present what we've been working on,

1825
02:07:45,730 --> 02:07:47,210
and then let you know that we've got some more.

1826
02:07:47,890 --> 02:07:49,510
So just feedback with what you're looking for?

1827
02:07:49,890 --> 02:07:52,910
We've got some good feedback.

1828
02:07:53,410 --> 02:07:55,090
If you want to approve it, you can approve it.

1829
02:07:55,130 --> 02:07:57,430
If you don't want to approve it, you just want to receive a report.

1830
02:07:57,630 --> 02:07:57,870
That's fine.

1831
02:07:57,890 --> 02:07:58,450
I think we're good.

1832
02:07:58,690 --> 02:07:59,830
You have the feedback from us.

1833
02:08:01,090 --> 02:08:01,810
Thank you.

1834
02:08:02,050 --> 02:08:02,330
You're welcome.

1835
02:08:03,110 --> 02:08:03,750
Next, please.

1836
02:08:09,570 --> 02:08:21,050
Now we'll move back to agenda item 6b. Discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding resolution number 2023-061 to the Texas Municipal League on Zoning Reform.

1837
02:08:21,670 --> 02:08:23,130
Okay, Michael, are you going to do this one?

1838
02:08:23,890 --> 02:08:34,750
Yes, this is, and I neglected to put, who put it on the agenda? This is both the Mayor and myself because you could tell we worked on this in the legislative session.

1839
02:08:34,750 --> 02:08:38,530
You all approved this, a similar resolution last year along with a few other ones.

1840
02:08:40,970 --> 02:08:44,530
Your agenda item too, so I put a lot of information in the packet,

1841
02:08:45,390 --> 02:08:49,410
just because there was a lot of activity going on and we've got to come in.

1842
02:08:49,570 --> 02:08:51,730
Just to ask a couple of questions real quick.

1843
02:08:51,930 --> 02:08:56,650
So this creates a better balance between developers and this isn't right to protest, right?

1844
02:08:57,210 --> 02:09:00,930
So at 20%, you're going to already have one person once you've seen them fade,

1845
02:09:01,110 --> 02:09:02,090
kind of shut down the development.

1846
02:09:02,090 --> 02:09:09,010
and the Dallas had a hospital shut down over one resident, landowner, so 50% we think raised

1847
02:09:09,010 --> 02:09:12,950
a proper bound between the right to protest and the right to develop the land.

1848
02:09:13,610 --> 02:09:21,370
It's not going to take, it's going to allow different housing stock to get approved, which

1849
02:09:21,370 --> 02:09:27,690
will help the housing supply, the price of housing, its market forces on that, so it's

1850
02:09:27,690 --> 02:09:30,010
It's more about new housing, multi-family housing,

1851
02:09:30,670 --> 02:09:34,030
and it's also a pre-empty strike against the state.

1852
02:09:36,750 --> 02:09:39,770
Instead of them trying to take an 89 session,

1853
02:09:40,030 --> 02:09:41,930
take a land development session away from us,

1854
02:09:41,990 --> 02:09:43,650
or a mandate like they did this year,

1855
02:09:44,110 --> 02:09:46,070
you know, they must have 100-proofed housing

1856
02:09:46,070 --> 02:09:47,990
in every zoning classification, which actually died,

1857
02:09:48,210 --> 02:09:50,070
but they could say apartments may be approved

1858
02:09:50,070 --> 02:09:53,010
in any zoning classification in the state of Texas.

1859
02:09:53,210 --> 02:09:53,970
That's where this is heading.

1860
02:09:54,570 --> 02:09:55,230
So we're trying to say,

1861
02:09:55,230 --> 02:10:01,710
look we found better ways of doing this and it protested better way we created a

1862
02:10:01,710 --> 02:10:05,510
very fascinating group of people who supported this from the far right in

1863
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:09,630
the far left by the way it was interesting we a lot of people help us we

1864
02:10:09,630 --> 02:10:14,110
a lot of people signed up for we've got a lot of people into it I'll skip the

1865
02:10:14,110 --> 02:10:19,570
politics in here because I just irritate me literally but you know that they we

1866
02:10:19,570 --> 02:10:22,710
did so we're gonna read it we're gonna try to get the bill filed again in

1867
02:10:22,710 --> 02:10:25,170
in the 89 session, and we're gonna try to get past.

1868
02:10:25,290 --> 02:10:27,350
We got a committee hearing, which is great news.

1869
02:10:28,010 --> 02:10:29,990
We got a lot of support, which is also better news.

1870
02:10:31,310 --> 02:10:33,550
And then, which, so I might have a process.

1871
02:10:33,810 --> 02:10:35,490
So next time we'll probably get a floor about what we're

1872
02:10:35,490 --> 02:10:37,130
hoping, so it's just an incremental process

1873
02:10:37,130 --> 02:10:37,810
over a period of time.

1874
02:10:37,950 --> 02:10:41,010
We have to keep, you know, staying in our case for it.

1875
02:10:41,610 --> 02:10:43,310
We're trying to get in front of TML early,

1876
02:10:43,590 --> 02:10:45,370
instead of trying to find it from the floor

1877
02:10:45,370 --> 02:10:46,230
like we did last time.

1878
02:10:46,450 --> 02:10:47,630
We're literally talking to the floor.

1879
02:10:48,070 --> 02:10:49,930
We're trying to get approved and get on there,

1880
02:10:50,210 --> 02:10:52,130
but they actually support it this time, right?

1881
02:10:52,130 --> 02:10:53,250
Michael, we're trying to do this.

1882
02:10:53,350 --> 02:10:57,370
So this is kind of the off seasons for the legislative

1883
02:10:57,370 --> 02:10:57,730
session.

1884
02:10:57,950 --> 02:11:00,870
So we're submitting this idea kind of fresh.

1885
02:11:01,130 --> 02:11:02,250
They saw it last time.

1886
02:11:02,390 --> 02:11:04,130
But like the mayor said, for those of you

1887
02:11:04,130 --> 02:11:07,230
who are at the TML business, that business meeting

1888
02:11:07,230 --> 02:11:09,850
is a little bit, there's a lot of action there.

1889
02:11:10,790 --> 02:11:13,430
But we're trying to put it through the normal process.

1890
02:11:13,670 --> 02:11:17,690
So what's changed, I think, is the league watching

1891
02:11:17,690 --> 02:11:18,650
like the mayor was saying there.

1892
02:11:19,110 --> 02:11:19,410
We're watching.

1893
02:11:19,530 --> 02:11:21,170
So the city's always said, hey, local control,

1894
02:11:21,170 --> 02:11:24,650
local control, don't do this and don't do that. It's our right to choose this and that,

1895
02:11:24,990 --> 02:11:28,630
but we're just getting steamrolled by the developers, and we're losing more and more

1896
02:11:28,630 --> 02:11:34,270
of our powers. And so what we're saying is, hey, we realize that, you know, particularly this is

1897
02:11:34,270 --> 02:11:37,770
designed for the bigger cities, this is designed for the Dallas, the Fort Worth,

1898
02:11:38,170 --> 02:11:42,970
and the inner ring big suburbs. And it benefits us because if you can put a lot of people in

1899
02:11:42,970 --> 02:11:47,850
the middle, then there's less demand to kind of push outwards. So you're putting folks

1900
02:11:47,850 --> 02:11:49,190
where it's more efficient to serve them.

1901
02:11:49,690 --> 02:11:52,050
It's maybe taking a little bit of the demand down.

1902
02:11:52,190 --> 02:11:54,290
There's still people going to want single family homes.

1903
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:56,010
That's primarily what we do here.

1904
02:11:56,430 --> 02:11:58,810
And so they're going to be still a demand for that.

1905
02:11:59,150 --> 02:12:01,210
But as far as things like multi-family,

1906
02:12:01,450 --> 02:12:03,850
if you can put thousands upon thousands of units

1907
02:12:04,590 --> 02:12:07,990
in the core, then your demand to have multi-family out

1908
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:08,930
here is going to be a little bit.

1909
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:10,690
There's always going to be some desire for that,

1910
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:12,050
but it'll be lessened.

1911
02:12:12,250 --> 02:12:15,390
So our theory is raise the amount of housing,

1912
02:12:15,390 --> 02:12:17,730
put it where it's most efficient to serve it,

1913
02:12:18,110 --> 02:12:19,270
eliminate the roadblocks,

1914
02:12:19,630 --> 02:12:21,210
things like hospitals getting denied.

1915
02:12:22,210 --> 02:12:23,490
I think I heard another one.

1916
02:12:23,730 --> 02:12:26,310
Stephen was mentioning a college in Utah

1917
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:28,950
was denied student housing

1918
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:30,450
because the people in the neighborhood

1919
02:12:30,450 --> 02:12:31,570
didn't want the student housing.

1920
02:12:31,990 --> 02:12:33,530
So there's all sorts of different examples

1921
02:12:33,530 --> 02:12:36,130
of where the good of the city,

1922
02:12:36,430 --> 02:12:38,370
you don't want your council members,

1923
02:12:40,230 --> 02:12:42,610
essentially playing, you're just waiting,

1924
02:12:42,610 --> 02:12:45,210
It's like the playing field is not level.

1925
02:12:45,850 --> 02:12:48,330
You want a good fair debate.

1926
02:12:48,830 --> 02:12:50,290
You want the majority of the citizens

1927
02:12:50,290 --> 02:12:54,030
will to get through when you're doing planning for your city.

1928
02:12:54,270 --> 02:12:56,210
So I think there's this unification

1929
02:12:56,210 --> 02:12:58,670
between with different interests.

1930
02:12:58,910 --> 02:13:00,970
We're trying to do smart governance.

1931
02:13:01,830 --> 02:13:03,930
So this gives something to the development community

1932
02:13:03,930 --> 02:13:06,270
from the cities saying, here's a solution.

1933
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:09,030
You all are complaining about cost of permits,

1934
02:13:09,190 --> 02:13:10,510
and you don't want to pay impact fees,

1935
02:13:10,510 --> 02:13:15,410
And you can't get anything approved in Dallas and it takes X many months to do this and it takes too many

1936
02:13:15,410 --> 02:13:22,090
You know you have a shot clock and you we've heard of this all before so this this says okay, you know whether than us just playing

1937
02:13:22,090 --> 02:13:27,810
Defense here's an idea. You know, this is something we could work together. Let's see if it can go somewhere

1938
02:13:28,830 --> 02:13:29,850
Any question council

1939
02:13:31,570 --> 02:13:37,470
Yes, sir, so this is this is a very powerful tool when dealing with development, but also don't forget

1940
02:13:37,470 --> 02:13:39,190
that, I mean, we've had this impact

1941
02:13:39,190 --> 02:13:40,670
our small business owners as well.

1942
02:13:41,230 --> 02:13:43,870
I mean, we had, you know, homeboys,

1943
02:13:44,050 --> 02:13:45,110
business owner that's been in fate

1944
02:13:45,110 --> 02:13:46,950
for years and years and years,

1945
02:13:47,170 --> 02:13:49,210
was not able to use his existing building

1946
02:13:49,210 --> 02:13:53,030
the way he wanted to because of, you know,

1947
02:13:53,150 --> 02:13:56,290
one or two people, whereas a liquor store went in

1948
02:13:56,290 --> 02:13:57,690
less than three miles down the road

1949
02:13:57,690 --> 02:13:58,650
and there was not a peep.

1950
02:13:59,270 --> 02:14:02,110
So, I mean, yes, there's multiple ways

1951
02:14:02,110 --> 02:14:03,830
that this could help the city of fate

1952
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:06,090
and the residents and the business owners that are here.

1953
02:14:06,090 --> 02:14:12,430
So so during the testimony we did so in the testimony what we did was we cited a city of Dallas case the hospital

1954
02:14:13,070 --> 02:14:16,970
Right be lack of care. We cited the homeboys example in my testimony

1955
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:23,150
Texas 2036 was addressing around where Michael just addressed was you know

1956
02:14:23,150 --> 02:14:24,730
How do we get more things approved?

1957
02:14:25,010 --> 02:14:29,250
It's like what we need that a million people are coming to Texas the next five ten years

1958
02:14:29,250 --> 02:14:33,430
They had to go someplace right they're moving here that the face keeps incentivize people

1959
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:37,970
So we used to be right here that we'd use different seven different cities trying to get our point across

1960
02:14:38,510 --> 02:14:42,390
What the objection came was you love this one is

1961
02:14:43,170 --> 02:14:50,090
The rural county still want the power to shut down when when farms by one person by the way, this was their objection to us

1962
02:14:50,690 --> 02:14:52,430
Literally, this was their objection

1963
02:14:52,430 --> 02:14:59,870
So we we got think about we you know we try to you know bracket the bill, you know cities only not because it just got

1964
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,380
I'm really weird on when energy, so that was kind of a, but when we testified, we wrote the letters, we actually did that.

1965
02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:09,420
We said that was unfair, and we said that was unfair to healthcare.

1966
02:15:10,240 --> 02:15:17,660
I think, I think Witt had an example from Austin, a business guy shut down for no reason, too, and he had to have the case, and we presented that case, too.

1967
02:15:17,860 --> 02:15:22,020
So just to make sense, we did. Okay. If there's any more questions, we'll take a motion, please.

1968
02:15:24,620 --> 02:15:31,040
I make a motion that we pass resolution R2023-061.

1969
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:32,680
Motion to land at a second.

1970
02:15:33,240 --> 02:15:33,780
Second.

1971
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:34,920
Second, please vote.

1972
02:15:48,750 --> 02:15:50,230
Motion passes five to one.

1973
02:15:50,690 --> 02:15:52,090
Ms. Crock, Kelly, and Vody, no.

1974
02:15:52,290 --> 02:15:52,450
Okay.

1975
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:55,350
Next, please.

1976
02:15:56,130 --> 02:15:58,650
Next, we'll move to agenda item 6D.

1977
02:15:58,850 --> 02:16:04,510
Discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding ordinance number 02023-022,

1978
02:16:05,110 --> 02:16:08,910
creating a citation program for the enforcement of the city's ordinances.

1979
02:16:09,950 --> 02:16:10,890
Michael, or?

1980
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:12,870
I got this one, Mayor.

1981
02:16:13,230 --> 02:16:13,310
Oh.

1982
02:16:13,670 --> 02:16:14,290
Members of council.

1983
02:16:14,290 --> 02:16:23,830
So this is a coming back to you for another opportunity for consideration of this ordinance made some changes at the direction of the council since the last time.

1984
02:16:23,890 --> 02:16:36,670
So just for the benefit of the public, what is proposed in this ordinance is that there's an amendment to the code of ordinances that would create a citation program that would authorize and from based on the direction.

1985
02:16:36,950 --> 02:16:43,440
We're limiting it to the Community Development Department and Public Works Departments that would authorize the ability to issue citations.

1986
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:50,400
This is not deeming them any such peace officers, so they can't make arrests.

1987
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:54,800
But it's in lieu of being able to issue written complaint to the municipal court,

1988
02:16:54,820 --> 02:16:58,080
which would then require a summons to be issued to appear.

1989
02:16:58,460 --> 02:17:01,480
This would actually be a citation, so you're taking it out the middleman.

1990
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:07,580
And so what this would allow is a codification of the authority

1991
02:17:07,580 --> 02:17:10,220
for our code enforcement officers to issue citations.

1992
02:17:10,220 --> 02:17:15,900
and then it would also add the Public Works Department to that and would

1993
02:17:15,900 --> 02:17:21,900
authorize employees of the City of Fate that are over the stormwater management

1994
02:17:21,900 --> 02:17:25,480
program to issue citations for violations. This could be related to

1995
02:17:25,480 --> 02:17:31,440
unlawful dumping or just mismanagement of a certain erosion or flood control

1996
02:17:31,440 --> 02:17:37,440
measures regarding tied to a development and the like. And so again the what the

1997
02:17:37,440 --> 02:17:44,900
limitations are. Originally we had discussed authorizing the department heads to have the

1998
02:17:44,900 --> 02:17:48,920
ability to issue citations for those ordnance violations of ordnance tied to their departments,

1999
02:17:49,420 --> 02:17:55,260
but we've scaled that back to just be two employees that have code or excuse me community

2000
02:17:55,260 --> 02:18:00,920
development and that would be for your code enforcement officers and then for a maximum

2001
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:05,380
of two employees in public works and that would be for the stormwater stormwater

2002
02:18:05,380 --> 02:18:08,820
management program. And I'm happy to take any questions from the council.

2003
02:18:08,940 --> 02:18:09,800
Any questions?

2004
02:18:11,140 --> 02:18:12,720
No, I would have approved this last time.

2005
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:17,820
You have one minute. Mark, any questions?

2006
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:25,480
Who's going to be monitoring the issuance of the citations?

2007
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:31,280
I mean, do we have some kind of, this person's issued 50 of these things and nobody else

2008
02:18:31,280 --> 02:18:36,860
is issued. Any and what kind of citations are being issued? Yeah so it flows

2009
02:18:36,860 --> 02:18:42,080
upwards so if it would start with the delegated employee so if it's a

2010
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:46,360
code enforcement officer or stormwater management so it would go to their

2011
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:51,520
supervisors to make sure that one that they're out there doing their jobs and

2012
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:56,000
that the site and then that filters up so when they those citations get

2013
02:18:56,000 --> 02:18:59,120
issued in the municipal court well then they're processed and then

2014
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:00,000
and they're prosecuted.

2015
02:19:00,220 --> 02:19:03,860
And so the city attorneys, my office touches those citations

2016
02:19:03,860 --> 02:19:06,980
and if there are issues, then I'll work directly

2017
02:19:06,980 --> 02:19:09,680
with those employees if they're inconsistencies

2018
02:19:09,680 --> 02:19:11,760
or issues with the citations that they're writing.

2019
02:19:12,040 --> 02:19:13,020
We can talk through those.

2020
02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:14,660
Just give you an example.

2021
02:19:14,940 --> 02:19:15,880
When I first got here,

2022
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:20,060
some of the citations being issued for junked vehicles

2023
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:22,400
that didn't meet the definition under our ordinance

2024
02:19:22,400 --> 02:19:24,420
and so I had to work with code enforcement

2025
02:19:24,420 --> 02:19:26,580
to ensure we were writing the proper citations

2026
02:19:26,580 --> 02:19:28,000
to the proper individuals, et cetera.

2027
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:34,040
And so we're having an opportunity to track those to a certain extent and then the Municipal

2028
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:38,260
Court keeps stats of all of the citations that come from the different departments whether

2029
02:19:38,260 --> 02:19:43,160
it's DPS or code enforcement or now if this ordinance has approved our stormwater management

2030
02:19:43,160 --> 02:19:44,000
program.

2031
02:19:45,440 --> 02:19:50,220
Will it be included in the monthly that we get from like DPS?

2032
02:19:50,840 --> 02:19:53,020
We do a quarterly court.

2033
02:19:53,880 --> 02:19:55,560
We do a quarterly court.

2034
02:19:57,860 --> 02:20:00,720
every week, I believe, and that you all receive from DPS.

2035
02:20:00,940 --> 02:20:02,240
So we get a weekly update on those.

2036
02:20:02,440 --> 02:20:05,620
And then every quarter, you also get a court update

2037
02:20:05,620 --> 02:20:07,800
from Reggie, who they have sent to the municipal court.

2038
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:10,760
I would like two things.

2039
02:20:10,940 --> 02:20:15,720
I'd like to see a weekly update on the weekly status report

2040
02:20:15,720 --> 02:20:19,240
on the number of citations by group put out.

2041
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:22,800
Not necessary from DPS perspective, but Scott,

2042
02:20:23,280 --> 02:20:26,760
you know, we issue the public works update,

2043
02:20:26,760 --> 02:20:33,420
We have like a issue for citations for water management to whoever something very simple

2044
02:20:33,420 --> 02:20:36,340
just so that we can just so that I can track it and watch it.

2045
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:44,380
The other question I had has to do with a lot I mean code version does a lot of we will

2046
02:20:44,380 --> 02:20:47,920
only we won't show you the administrative stuff we'll just show you the citations.

2047
02:20:48,400 --> 02:20:55,360
I just looking for count citations citations are not as common as just the other thing

2048
02:20:55,360 --> 02:21:02,540
is you're not going to name the employees, you're going to do the authorization by job

2049
02:21:02,540 --> 02:21:02,840
title.

2050
02:21:04,180 --> 02:21:05,260
Have you thought of that?

2051
02:21:05,580 --> 02:21:11,540
Yeah, so it is specific because there's a training element to it.

2052
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:19,660
So that part will go with the individual employee, named employee, but as far as the delegated

2053
02:21:19,660 --> 02:21:26,140
authority. So Scott, for example, can't delegate the authority to issue citations to more than

2054
02:21:26,140 --> 02:21:32,220
two employees under the ordinance. And so he could make changes to who has that authority,

2055
02:21:32,620 --> 02:21:37,520
but then as the ordinance requires that whoever is going to be doing that, they have to

2056
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:42,420
go through that training regimen first. Sure. But I'm just saying that we're authorizing

2057
02:21:42,420 --> 02:21:47,900
the Director of Public Works versus Scott Monaghan. Oh, correct. Right. Correct. And

2058
02:21:47,900 --> 02:21:50,960
And Scott Monaghan has the ability to authorize

2059
02:21:53,130 --> 02:21:53,970
Tech One,

2060
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:58,030
whatever the job title is,

2061
02:21:58,030 --> 02:22:01,070
versus a named employee, and just that way

2062
02:22:01,070 --> 02:22:03,350
you don't have to constantly go back and tweak things.

2063
02:22:04,030 --> 02:22:05,010
Sure, see what I'm saying?

2064
02:22:05,330 --> 02:22:05,410
Yep.

2065
02:22:05,890 --> 02:22:06,110
Okay.

2066
02:22:07,770 --> 02:22:08,410
Any more questions?

2067
02:22:09,150 --> 02:22:09,250
Nope.

2068
02:22:09,790 --> 02:22:10,770
Okay, I'll take a motion, please.

2069
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:13,370
I'll make a motion.

2070
02:22:13,710 --> 02:22:16,930
We approve ordinance number zero, 2023.

2071
02:22:17,350 --> 02:22:17,770
Motion, 22.

2072
02:22:18,410 --> 02:22:18,710
I'm back.

2073
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:20,450
We're not going to count it because my Kelly does second.

2074
02:22:21,410 --> 02:22:22,710
My councilor Harper, please vote.

2075
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:24,710
I vote yes this time.

2076
02:22:30,300 --> 02:22:31,240
Motion passes 6-0.

2077
02:22:31,420 --> 02:22:31,840
Next please.

2078
02:22:32,660 --> 02:22:34,740
Agenda item 6e, discuss, consider

2079
02:22:34,740 --> 02:22:37,300
and take any necessary action regarding various parking

2080
02:22:37,300 --> 02:22:38,400
management strategies.

2081
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:41,780
We gave parking for last.

2082
02:22:41,960 --> 02:22:43,920
Mayor, we wanted to keep our promise

2083
02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:45,820
after the UDO passed you had a question

2084
02:22:45,820 --> 02:22:48,540
during the passage, which I thought was a really good one,

2085
02:22:48,980 --> 02:22:50,280
about parking requirements.

2086
02:22:50,460 --> 02:22:52,560
We'd seen a lot of parking reform taking place.

2087
02:22:53,900 --> 02:22:57,720
And there's been a lot of research that's been coming out even since you mentioned that.

2088
02:22:57,820 --> 02:22:58,680
So we wanted to...

2089
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:00,980
We said we'd come back and check in on parking reform,

2090
02:23:01,120 --> 02:23:03,180
so we wanted to talk a little bit about some parking strategies.

2091
02:23:03,420 --> 02:23:03,780
Here we are.

2092
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:35,540
Myself and City Manager to make sure that it touched on the topics

2093
02:23:35,540 --> 02:23:38,260
but didn't necessarily give direction at this point,

2094
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:40,320
because ultimately the direction is going to come from Council.

2095
02:23:40,780 --> 02:23:42,740
But this is just an initial touch on the topic.

2096
02:23:42,920 --> 02:23:46,020
We're not necessarily expecting that direction is going to be given tonight.

2097
02:23:46,380 --> 02:23:47,900
However, that's, of course, your prerogative.

2098
02:23:47,900 --> 02:23:57,960
So, if you'll recall, back in late 2022 and ultimately in January 2023, we went through the update process for our FATE Unified Development Ordinance.

2099
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:06,340
During that process, we did discuss with the Planning and Zoning Commission as well as City Council how we're treating our current parking regulations.

2100
02:24:07,740 --> 02:24:14,000
And ultimately, with the adoption of the UDO, we did result in reducing some of our parking

2101
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:19,800
minimums for non-single-family residential uses to align with the Institute for Transportation

2102
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:26,860
Engineers Parking Generation Manual, which is kind of the go-to document that shows

2103
02:24:27,330 --> 02:24:33,240
based on actual research what kind of parking generation different land uses create.

2104
02:24:33,880 --> 02:24:47,540
However, in the discussions, as the city manager mentioned, there was a desire for further discussion on parking strategies with the potential result in more significant measures to be adopted in the future.

2105
02:24:49,300 --> 02:24:57,440
So parking minimums, which is the way that the City of Fate regulates parking, generally started back in the 1950s during the suburban expansion.

2106
02:24:57,440 --> 02:25:02,880
expansion. And as a result, it did support a car-dominant development pattern, and it

2107
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:08,220
was created with the expectation that more and more people, as we, of course, see, are

2108
02:25:08,220 --> 02:25:13,720
dependent on the motor vehicle to get around and to access different places. And so this

2109
02:25:13,720 --> 02:25:19,760
policy applies a minimum off-street parking inventory for different developments based

2110
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:23,740
on the development size and land use. So if you have a 1,000-square-foot restaurant,

2111
02:25:23,740 --> 02:25:32,180
There's a certain number of parking spaces per thousand square feet that are required of that new development to be installed off-street.

2112
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:35,840
So meaning not in the public right of way, but actually on the private property.

2113
02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:42,120
But why is this a concern? What caused us to bring it up in the first place?

2114
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:45,080
What caused us to do the research and come back to you tonight?

2115
02:25:45,740 --> 02:25:50,040
Well, parking minimums often result in excess parking inventory.

2116
02:25:50,040 --> 02:25:56,600
They are, in some cases, a perceived arbitrary number that the city assigns to development

2117
02:25:56,600 --> 02:26:02,380
based on what we think is the right number, but may not reflect what ultimately is needed

2118
02:26:02,380 --> 02:26:03,280
by that development.

2119
02:26:04,100 --> 02:26:10,000
And as a result, it takes up valuable real estate for unproductive, low-tax generating

2120
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:10,500
emptiness.

2121
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:15,500
Because if you have parking spaces that are never used, all it is is just an empty

2122
02:26:15,500 --> 02:26:19,300
spot of asphalt that could otherwise be used more productively.

2123
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:24,160
Like I said, it often, but not always, requires more parking than desired by the business.

2124
02:26:24,740 --> 02:26:29,120
Some businesses, especially those who have corporate parking requirements, they want

2125
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:30,480
as much parking as possible.

2126
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:34,860
But as you'll see in some of these further slides in the discussion, that parking does

2127
02:26:34,860 --> 02:26:35,620
come with a cost.

2128
02:26:38,260 --> 02:26:41,340
Starting back in the early 2000s, a number of cities,

2129
02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:45,480
and as you can see, quite

2130
02:26:45,480 --> 02:26:49,580
the traditional parking minimums strategy wasn't really working and that it was causing

2131
02:26:49,580 --> 02:26:50,380
some problems.

2132
02:26:51,300 --> 02:26:59,060
And so to various degrees, cities across the country as well as in Canada and Mexico have

2133
02:26:59,060 --> 02:27:05,620
adopted various reforms to their parking standards, whether it be just changing the

2134
02:27:05,620 --> 02:27:11,880
standards in just the downtown or in some cases such as in Mexico City as well as

2135
02:27:11,880 --> 02:27:17,620
in Bastrop and Dandera, Texas, removing all parking mandates completely and letting the

2136
02:27:17,620 --> 02:27:21,720
market decide what kind of parking is created for various developments.

2137
02:27:22,740 --> 02:27:28,580
So based on information acquired from the parking reform network, over 1,400 cities in the U.S.

2138
02:27:28,600 --> 02:27:34,660
and Canada have adopted parking reforms, and 52 cities in those same areas have removed

2139
02:27:34,660 --> 02:27:38,600
parking mandates altogether, and only the two in Texas, according to this source.

2140
02:27:38,600 --> 02:27:39,680
So

2141
02:27:41,790 --> 02:27:46,650
based on the request from the City Council, as well as discussions with the City Manager,

2142
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:52,270
the Planning and Development Department put together the parking strategies report provided to you

2143
02:27:52,270 --> 02:27:58,670
in the agenda report, which essentially reviewed case studies of alternative parking strategies

2144
02:27:58,670 --> 02:28:03,930
from four cities in the U.S. We essentially, we first wanted to just really focus on taxes,

2145
02:28:04,250 --> 02:28:08,790
but we also wanted to provide a robust enough variety of strategies to get you thinking

2146
02:28:08,790 --> 02:28:12,610
thinking about how cities are addressing this issue, which caused us to have to go outside

2147
02:28:12,610 --> 02:28:18,250
of the state of Texas and find some other cities that had some cutting edge or interesting

2148
02:28:18,250 --> 02:28:19,610
strategies that they employed.

2149
02:28:20,370 --> 02:28:25,450
So the study looked at four different cities, Norman, Oklahoma, Dunwoody, Georgia, Austin,

2150
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:31,130
Texas, and San Marcos, Texas as examples of ways that cities addressed parking reform

2151
02:28:31,130 --> 02:28:32,370
in their own ways.

2152
02:28:33,410 --> 02:28:36,890
So I'm going to briefly go over the four case studies, and at the end of course

2153
02:28:36,890 --> 02:28:39,470
so I'm happy to answer any questions of this.

2154
02:28:40,070 --> 02:28:41,430
So first is Norman, Oklahoma.

2155
02:28:42,610 --> 02:28:46,390
Norman in 2021 changed all minimum parking requirements

2156
02:28:46,390 --> 02:28:47,910
in their code to recommendations

2157
02:28:48,530 --> 02:28:50,270
with the exception of single-family homes,

2158
02:28:50,450 --> 02:28:52,770
duplexes, frat houses, and mobile home parks.

2159
02:28:53,470 --> 02:28:56,030
So essentially, they provide a recommendation

2160
02:28:56,030 --> 02:28:58,150
in their table and their code,

2161
02:28:58,430 --> 02:29:00,610
but they don't actually enforce it

2162
02:29:00,610 --> 02:29:01,890
as part of a site plan review

2163
02:29:01,890 --> 02:29:04,770
or as part of any kind of land use approval.

2164
02:29:05,510 --> 02:29:08,790
The reason they did this was because they wanted to support small business.

2165
02:29:09,230 --> 02:29:13,810
They were finding that the cost of meeting those, again, perceived arbitrary parking

2166
02:29:14,370 --> 02:29:18,230
minimums was becoming a barrier of entry for especially new small businesses.

2167
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:21,490
It also created a physical separation of businesses.

2168
02:29:21,790 --> 02:29:26,530
We all are often drawn to those kind of tight-knit downtown kind of streetscapes

2169
02:29:26,530 --> 02:29:28,770
where the buildings are close to one another.

2170
02:29:29,150 --> 02:29:32,670
But when you have to have vast seas of parking for each specific business,

2171
02:29:32,670 --> 02:29:38,190
you create large gaps, and you lose that kind of connectivity and continuity of the built environment.

2172
02:29:39,330 --> 02:29:44,630
It also was to respond to consumer trends, especially post-COVID. More and more people

2173
02:29:44,630 --> 02:29:50,630
are depending on the delivery of groceries to their homes, drive by a curbside pickup,

2174
02:29:51,070 --> 02:29:57,330
and strategies such as that, that led them to believe that there's less of a demand for

2175
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:59,590
parking and these other options could be

2176
02:30:02,740 --> 02:30:08,920
The next case study was Dunwoody, Georgia, which is just outside of Atlanta. In 2019, they

2177
02:30:08,920 --> 02:30:15,480
removed parking minimums and established parking maximums. So they did retain minimums for certain

2178
02:30:15,480 --> 02:30:21,780
specific uses, just a few, but the maximums basically say you can only put up to this

2179
02:30:21,780 --> 02:30:26,120
mini parking space, which is a completely different way of looking at it. Usually we

2180
02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:30,840
say you're not going to give enough so we're going to put this minimum. Now people are saying

2181
02:30:31,380 --> 02:30:35,260
you're putting too many and we're going to kind of limit what you're going to be put

2182
02:30:35,260 --> 02:30:42,180
on your site. However, they did have a provision in there because the parking is essentially

2183
02:30:42,180 --> 02:30:47,000
using a valuable land, those maximums could be exceeded with a multi-story parking deck.

2184
02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:52,340
So the same amount of land is being used, they're just going up. And so the reason

2185
02:30:52,340 --> 02:30:56,520
that they adopted this policy was that the city was recognizing that there was a surplus

2186
02:30:56,520 --> 02:31:00,780
of parking out there. There was a lot of empty parking spaces year-round and it was a waste

2187
02:31:00,780 --> 02:31:06,020
of land. And of course, they're also transitioning to a more urban and walkable community and

2188
02:31:06,020 --> 02:31:12,460
wanted to kind of lean more on the alternative ways of getting around. Again, it was a money

2189
02:31:12,460 --> 02:31:17,400
saving option for small businesses by limiting their required parking. However, one of

2190
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:22,480
One of the concerns they had was that in cases where the amount of parking provided for a

2191
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:27,120
business was not enough to actually meet the market requirement, there would be a concern

2192
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:31,380
with unauthorized parking elsewhere, people getting tickets booted, towed, things like

2193
02:31:31,380 --> 02:31:31,580
that.

2194
02:31:33,930 --> 02:31:35,110
Third is Austin, Texas.

2195
02:31:36,110 --> 02:31:40,710
They removed the parking minimums in 2019 within the downtown district only, which

2196
02:31:40,710 --> 02:31:44,250
consists of actually four different districts, but generally the central business district.

2197
02:31:44,250 --> 02:31:47,610
They, of course, accepted the handicapped or ADA parking.

2198
02:31:47,870 --> 02:31:53,070
You still absolutely have to provide the required number of handicapped parking spaces.

2199
02:31:53,650 --> 02:31:58,130
They also are requiring a minimum of two bicycle parking spaces per business, and in some

2200
02:31:58,130 --> 02:31:59,210
cases more than that.

2201
02:31:59,550 --> 02:32:03,170
And you'll recall in our UDO update, we actually started adding bicycle parking

2202
02:32:03,170 --> 02:32:06,250
requirements for new development.

2203
02:32:07,290 --> 02:32:15,170
So, when interviewed about this initiative, the city leadership stated that the success

2204
02:32:15,170 --> 02:32:20,390
of this program, which they did deem successful, did depend on transportation alternatives

2205
02:32:20,390 --> 02:32:25,430
being available, including a massive $11.6 billion investment called Project Connect,

2206
02:32:25,810 --> 02:32:30,650
which basically invested in alternative transportation opportunities.

2207
02:32:31,850 --> 02:32:37,870
They also suspected, though I am suspecting or suspicious of this, that removal of the parking

2208
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:43,750
minimums would also increase the number of available residential units because you're

2209
02:32:43,750 --> 02:32:49,010
basically taking that land and using it for residential development and that would presumably

2210
02:32:49,660 --> 02:32:50,670
lower rental rates.

2211
02:32:51,150 --> 02:32:53,210
I kind of doubt that that would actually happen.

2212
02:32:53,830 --> 02:32:58,070
You might remember the discussion we had with the townhouse project that the developer

2213
02:32:58,070 --> 02:33:02,610
said, yeah, the market's going to guide it, whether there's two or four units there.

2214
02:33:03,450 --> 02:33:05,810
So that's some of the feedback that Austin gave.

2215
02:33:05,950 --> 02:33:07,430
And finally, San Marcos, Texas.

2216
02:33:09,150 --> 02:33:14,570
They removed parking minimums in the downtown district in 2021, but maintained minimums

2217
02:33:14,570 --> 02:33:15,410
elsewhere in the city.

2218
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:18,390
But they also established parking maximums.

2219
02:33:18,730 --> 02:33:22,590
But the interesting thing about this policy was that they allowed an exceedance of

2220
02:33:22,590 --> 02:33:25,230
those maximums with certain mitigation measures.

2221
02:33:25,230 --> 02:33:30,310
So, as you can see on this slide, some of the ways that they can mitigate exceedance

2222
02:33:30,310 --> 02:33:35,470
of those maximums was to include solar canopies over at least half of the parking spaces,

2223
02:33:36,450 --> 02:33:40,330
providing wider landscape islands with trees or permeable paving

2224
02:33:40,330 --> 02:33:43,250
so that the stormwater will infiltrate into the ground

2225
02:33:43,250 --> 02:33:46,430
rather than runoff as sheet flow into the stormwater system.

2226
02:33:47,430 --> 02:33:52,370
So some of the benefits that they perceived from these strategies was to, of course,

2227
02:33:52,370 --> 02:33:58,570
decrease the impact on the stormwater system with more pervious area to advance their city's

2228
02:33:58,570 --> 02:34:03,810
alternative energy initiatives with the solar canopies while providing shaded parking and

2229
02:34:03,810 --> 02:34:07,850
generally enhance visual appeal by providing more landscaping.

2230
02:34:10,390 --> 02:34:16,590
So we thought about, in the report, I didn't go into the specific analysis of how each

2231
02:34:16,590 --> 02:34:22,990
of these strategies might manifest in fate, but we did think about in general how some

2232
02:34:22,990 --> 02:34:27,530
of these strategies would apply here or could be possible, and one of the things that we

2233
02:34:27,530 --> 02:34:32,390
recognized when we were doing the report was that all four of the cities identified in this

2234
02:34:32,390 --> 02:34:38,730
report have robust alternative transportation systems, and we've basically come to a conclusion

2235
02:34:38,730 --> 02:34:43,510
that without something like that available in the community, having very aggressive parking

2236
02:34:43,510 --> 02:34:46,670
reform strategies is not going to probably be very successful.

2237
02:34:47,330 --> 02:34:51,290
And so there were three things that our staff identified as probably a starting

2238
02:34:51,290 --> 02:34:54,170
if we wanted to pursue something in the future.

2239
02:34:54,850 --> 02:35:00,310
I'd say that we are supportive of looking at our parking strategies on an ongoing basis,

2240
02:35:00,730 --> 02:35:03,510
but before we tried to tackle something significant,

2241
02:35:04,150 --> 02:35:08,950
we would, one, need to provide further investment in our trail and sidewalk system

2242
02:35:08,950 --> 02:35:11,950
to make it just a safer walking environment.

2243
02:35:12,370 --> 02:35:16,190
And that's actually something that our department's going to be doing this coming fiscal year

2244
02:35:16,190 --> 02:35:19,390
is to do an in-house sidewalk and trail analysis.

2245
02:35:21,370 --> 02:35:28,370
city-wide. Second is that we would perhaps want to look at a future city-wide circulator

2246
02:35:28,370 --> 02:35:33,590
minibus or local transit system that would only serve fate but would allow people to

2247
02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:39,230
get around from the neighborhoods to the key destinations within the city and perhaps

2248
02:35:39,230 --> 02:35:44,990
even expand out into Rockwell County in the future. And third, as directed by our

2249
02:35:44,990 --> 02:35:49,910
comprehensive plan is to conduct a parking study for our downtown and of

2250
02:35:49,910 --> 02:35:52,810
course this would probably need to happen after the major construction is

2251
02:35:52,810 --> 02:35:57,850
completed but to conduct a parking study in the downtown to see really where

2252
02:35:57,850 --> 02:36:02,690
where the Delta is between demand and supply as it is now because that's one

2253
02:36:02,690 --> 02:36:05,650
of the biggest concerns that we have and what we've heard is that there's a

2254
02:36:05,650 --> 02:36:10,390
perceived lack of a parking downtown and so we kind of want to see firsthand

2255
02:36:10,390 --> 02:36:14,150
if that's really happening or if it's just a lack of convenience that

2256
02:36:14,150 --> 02:36:16,150
that people are more bothered by.

2257
02:36:16,950 --> 02:36:19,170
So those are kind of the three starting items

2258
02:36:19,170 --> 02:36:22,370
that we find would be necessary to really be serious

2259
02:36:22,370 --> 02:36:25,650
about looking at parking more forms further.

2260
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:27,710
That's it for my presentation.

2261
02:36:27,970 --> 02:36:29,990
I'm happy to take any questions if you'd like, Heather.

2262
02:36:31,270 --> 02:36:32,710
All right, so first of all,

2263
02:36:32,990 --> 02:36:34,710
I mean, I don't know why permeable paving

2264
02:36:34,710 --> 02:36:35,670
isn't used more often.

2265
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:37,750
I mean, it makes a lot of sense in a lot of places.

2266
02:36:39,070 --> 02:36:42,390
I hesitate with the eliminating the parking minimums

2267
02:36:42,390 --> 02:36:44,790
in like downtown and things like that.

2268
02:36:45,510 --> 02:36:47,070
I understand how it makes sense

2269
02:36:47,070 --> 02:36:48,190
for a lot of these other cities,

2270
02:36:48,270 --> 02:36:50,290
but with the mixed use that we have,

2271
02:36:51,010 --> 02:36:53,630
it's concerning because I see a lot of those parking spaces

2272
02:36:53,630 --> 02:36:55,010
being used for residents

2273
02:36:55,010 --> 02:36:57,870
and then nothing left for the business patrons.

2274
02:36:59,070 --> 02:37:01,950
So that's just one of those things, I guess.

2275
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:05,490
And then the other thing is,

2276
02:37:06,110 --> 02:37:07,890
sorry, I completely lost my train of thought now.

2277
02:37:08,790 --> 02:37:11,290
Well, I will say regarding that concern,

2278
02:37:11,290 --> 02:37:14,130
you might recall, I think it was in late 2021,

2279
02:37:15,070 --> 02:37:18,010
the council adopted a parking ordinance for the downtown.

2280
02:37:18,770 --> 02:37:21,410
So it actually designates parking spaces

2281
02:37:21,410 --> 02:37:24,610
for residents versus businesses, versus business employees.

2282
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:26,410
But because of all the activity

2283
02:37:26,410 --> 02:37:28,670
and the construction downtown, we put that on hold

2284
02:37:28,670 --> 02:37:30,210
and we're not gonna implement that

2285
02:37:30,210 --> 02:37:32,050
until some of the major projects are completed.

2286
02:37:34,130 --> 02:37:35,930
If I can make a suggestion,

2287
02:37:36,170 --> 02:37:38,650
I would say look at the small business owners

2288
02:37:38,650 --> 02:37:40,910
that are wanting to convert the existing buildings

2289
02:37:41,630 --> 02:37:43,370
in fate on the thoroughfares.

2290
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:46,210
And I mean, I don't see why you wouldn't eliminate

2291
02:37:46,210 --> 02:37:47,530
some of those parking minimums.

2292
02:37:47,630 --> 02:37:48,970
I mean, if somebody's putting in an office,

2293
02:37:49,130 --> 02:37:50,450
they know exactly how many parking spaces

2294
02:37:50,450 --> 02:37:52,370
they're gonna need to make that business successful.

2295
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:55,730
They don't need, you know, five parking spaces

2296
02:37:55,730 --> 02:37:58,210
or six parking spaces if it's gonna be, you know,

2297
02:37:58,410 --> 02:37:59,750
them and another person sitting there

2298
02:37:59,750 --> 02:38:00,630
answering phones all day.

2299
02:38:01,270 --> 02:38:03,590
So that would be a really easy change, I think,

2300
02:38:03,650 --> 02:38:05,790
that could really open up some opportunities

2301
02:38:05,790 --> 02:38:07,010
for our small business owners.

2302
02:38:11,210 --> 02:38:24,030
So I love the idea of the shuttle through the city because if people want to frequent the downtown area, beer geeks, that sort of thing, that gives them an opportunity to get down to what I have to drive for two reasons.

2303
02:38:24,310 --> 02:38:27,850
Don't need a parking spot and if you're at beer geeks, you don't need to be driving anyway.

2304
02:38:27,850 --> 02:38:32,210
But I do have some concerns about parking downtown.

2305
02:38:32,470 --> 02:38:35,050
I think you said, like you said, that after the construction,

2306
02:38:35,150 --> 02:38:36,450
maybe some of that will be alleviated.

2307
02:38:36,550 --> 02:38:38,530
But I went down there in the middle of the day,

2308
02:38:38,570 --> 02:38:41,090
the other day to go to lunch at a restaurant that was closed

2309
02:38:41,090 --> 02:38:42,510
and there still was no parking downtown.

2310
02:38:42,870 --> 02:38:46,490
So it is definitely now very crowded.

2311
02:38:48,390 --> 02:38:50,450
And the only concern that I have is if we rely

2312
02:38:50,450 --> 02:38:52,190
on the walking trails and that,

2313
02:38:52,410 --> 02:38:54,750
it's 109 degrees for about three months here.

2314
02:38:54,750 --> 02:38:58,730
So, you know, that's going to limit the amount of people that are going to use it.

2315
02:38:58,790 --> 02:39:01,250
I mean, in the evenings, yes, people use the walking trails,

2316
02:39:01,350 --> 02:39:06,530
but if that's the primary thing that we're using, it's tough for people,

2317
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:09,350
especially the elderly people, if they're going to be using that stuff.

2318
02:39:09,710 --> 02:39:15,070
But I do really like the idea of the little tram or whatever that stopped at each neighborhood.

2319
02:39:15,270 --> 02:39:18,370
I mean, really, when we have five or six neighborhoods, it would be pretty easy to do.

2320
02:39:18,610 --> 02:39:19,190
So, thank you.

2321
02:39:19,630 --> 02:39:19,750
Scott?

2322
02:39:21,330 --> 02:39:26,310
So I know there's perceived like a parking downtown also know there's a

2323
02:39:26,310 --> 02:39:31,690
completely empty 80 space lot it's probably 40 spaces back behind downtown

2324
02:39:31,690 --> 02:39:36,090
that just doesn't get used and I will say I'm guilty of sometimes parking on

2325
02:39:36,090 --> 02:39:42,530
grass next to the DPS station as opposed to going to the back lot so I think

2326
02:39:42,530 --> 02:39:47,010
people are finding the resources they need even though it's not what has been

2327
02:39:47,010 --> 02:39:52,730
designed. The case study pointed out that Texas is doing a lot of parking

2328
02:39:52,730 --> 02:39:58,550
minimums all together. I'm familiar with that a little bit and they've got a few

2329
02:39:58,550 --> 02:40:05,630
developers that own a large swath of stuff out there. So there is some

2330
02:40:05,630 --> 02:40:09,170
coquets of work going on between projects to ensure that there is

2331
02:40:09,170 --> 02:40:12,890
adequate parking. One concern I would have with doing something like that in

2332
02:40:12,890 --> 02:40:21,170
down is that there may not be that cohesion between the particular

2333
02:40:21,170 --> 02:40:25,430
developers are worried about their lots and not what's going on on the adjacent

2334
02:40:25,430 --> 02:40:31,070
lots and that's where it's imperative that we as a city with you would have to

2335
02:40:31,070 --> 02:40:36,610
keep an eye on that but some of the other stuff the San Marcos case studies

2336
02:40:36,610 --> 02:40:45,530
interesting but they're on a what do they call them aquifers as opposed to the

2337
02:40:45,530 --> 02:40:50,370
same type of water since it's a little bit different situation you know I think

2338
02:40:50,370 --> 02:40:56,110
parking is just going to be one of those things and I'm definitely open to

2339
02:40:56,110 --> 02:41:02,950
figuring out ways to reduce unprofitable space however you want it not

2340
02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:09,350
It's not profitable, but dead parking space that's not used 80% of the time, but I think

2341
02:41:09,350 --> 02:41:11,650
it's just going to make constant conversation that we have to keep having.

2342
02:41:12,670 --> 02:41:13,070
Chair.

2343
02:41:14,290 --> 02:41:14,890
I'd agree.

2344
02:41:15,510 --> 02:41:17,350
Definitely more conversations need to be had.

2345
02:41:18,050 --> 02:41:23,210
I mean part of the dead spot is actually trying to get to and from it with all the construction going on in there.

2346
02:41:23,370 --> 02:41:25,610
You've got to even realize that I can go back there and park.

2347
02:41:26,870 --> 02:41:34,050
Because, like I said, we've gone to downtown to have dinner and have the fountain spot unless we go way back there.

2348
02:41:35,430 --> 02:41:39,970
With the lighting stuff we have, it's just not quite there yet.

2349
02:41:40,130 --> 02:41:43,470
We get more things opened up and it opens up more.

2350
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:46,310
People feel more comfortable about using that area.

2351
02:41:46,950 --> 02:41:50,270
So where are we experiencing a surplus of parking now?

2352
02:41:51,650 --> 02:42:00,550
Well, we haven't done much analysis in town. I mean everything is so new that we don't have like a city-wide

2353
02:42:00,550 --> 02:42:09,570
understanding of what's going on. But the reality is that the numbers that we have in our parking regulations

2354
02:42:09,570 --> 02:42:17,350
are based on national studies. And we want to make sure that we have a parking regulation

2355
02:42:17,350 --> 02:42:20,710
that is focused on the needs of the local community.

2356
02:42:21,410 --> 02:42:24,210
And so, again, this is an ongoing conversation.

2357
02:42:24,850 --> 02:42:27,270
We're not coming here saying that we have a problem right now,

2358
02:42:27,630 --> 02:42:29,530
but we just want to make sure that we're doing right

2359
02:42:29,530 --> 02:42:33,270
and following best practices and doing right by the businesses,

2360
02:42:33,450 --> 02:42:34,710
such as what Heather was saying.

2361
02:42:35,270 --> 02:42:37,790
If we're requiring more than is really necessary,

2362
02:42:38,350 --> 02:42:43,330
we're installing a cost burden on that business owner

2363
02:42:43,330 --> 02:42:45,090
that may be to make break.

2364
02:42:45,090 --> 02:42:52,870
And so we want to be just really thoughtful about the regulations that we adopt and how we're going to implement them. Okay. I'm going back to the

2365
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:55,290
mini bus

2366
02:42:56,010 --> 02:42:56,950
commuter, I mean

2367
02:42:57,590 --> 02:43:03,170
Obviously, we're going to need something like that if we're going to try to get the residents of fate

2368
02:43:04,730 --> 02:43:08,790
To leave the cars at home or I mean, it's not convenient for me to walk the downtown

2369
02:43:09,290 --> 02:43:12,770
Even with the trails and stuff. I mean just isn't going to happen. Sure

2370
02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:16,690
So, and if it's for me, it's going to be other people just like that.

2371
02:43:17,570 --> 02:43:20,850
But we need to look at what the cost is and the whole ramifications for that.

2372
02:43:21,010 --> 02:43:22,970
So are you planning to pick that up as well?

2373
02:43:23,430 --> 02:43:30,290
Well, we won't take that on until we're actually directed by City Council to start putting the time in on that.

2374
02:43:32,070 --> 02:43:39,150
It's not a decision or an initiative that we would take on lightly or without doing very thorough evaluation.

2375
02:43:41,130 --> 02:43:48,210
So the point that we're trying to make here is that right now we do have no other alternatives but to drive.

2376
02:43:48,730 --> 02:43:57,570
And so we need to have a wider spectrum of choice of getting around the city before we can really tackle the parking issue

2377
02:43:57,570 --> 02:44:02,510
because the parking issue is based on a high dependency of motor vehicles.

2378
02:44:03,090 --> 02:44:08,550
And so these are just other ways of trying to establish those other transportation alternatives.

2379
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:12,350
And I completely agree, I'm not going to go for a long walk today, you know.

2380
02:44:13,090 --> 02:44:17,070
But walking is the fundamental, the base way of being able to get around.

2381
02:44:17,150 --> 02:44:21,470
If you have nothing else, at least you can walk and not have a high risk of getting hit

2382
02:44:21,470 --> 02:44:27,450
by a car because we have a complete sidewalk system or an off-system trail network.

2383
02:44:28,030 --> 02:44:29,410
And we don't even have that right now.

2384
02:44:29,530 --> 02:44:35,130
And so that's just the kind of like first tier of having a city that you can get

2385
02:44:35,130 --> 02:44:38,450
around in without having to jump in your car for absolutely everything.

2386
02:44:39,130 --> 02:44:43,610
So would we be pushing more parking to the city streets if we did this?

2387
02:44:44,070 --> 02:44:44,710
Can you repeat that?

2388
02:44:44,990 --> 02:44:48,450
Would we be pushing more parking to city streets if we did this?

2389
02:44:49,570 --> 02:44:52,750
Well we'd have to have city streets that can accommodate parking.

2390
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:58,190
So you know for example East Fate Main we have the on-street parking there next to

2391
02:44:58,190 --> 02:44:59,710
the Canales project, the horizon.

2392
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:03,900
Project that has yet to be built. There's on-street parking going to be developed there.

2393
02:45:04,120 --> 02:45:08,380
So as downtown, if we're, you know, there's been a lot of talk about downtown, as downtown develops,

2394
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:14,360
each block is going to have to have either facilities for parallel parking, angled parking,

2395
02:45:14,840 --> 02:45:20,060
so that at some point you can push more of it to the streets. That creates a dynamic streetscape.

2396
02:45:20,260 --> 02:45:23,660
You don't necessarily have to have all your parking on private property,

2397
02:45:23,980 --> 02:45:26,920
especially in a downtown you want to have parking on the streets.

2398
02:45:26,920 --> 02:45:29,280
And so that would necessarily push it out there.

2399
02:45:29,500 --> 02:45:34,440
And as a matter of fact, in our new parking ordinance adopted in January, we did allow

2400
02:45:34,440 --> 02:45:40,560
for on-street parking abutting a development property to count toward their parking minimums.

2401
02:45:40,760 --> 02:45:42,760
But there actually has to be a parking space there.

2402
02:45:42,860 --> 02:45:45,520
They're not going to park in the barge and get credit, you know?

2403
02:45:46,060 --> 02:45:46,280
So.

2404
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:50,900
And then I can make one correction for the mayor.

2405
02:45:51,380 --> 02:45:53,780
That's mini-commuter system.

2406
02:45:54,680 --> 02:45:55,680
It's a trolley.

2407
02:45:55,680 --> 02:45:58,580
Okay, I agree

2408
02:46:06,520 --> 02:46:07,560
well

2409
02:46:13,990 --> 02:46:17,170
a lot of those suites have not yet opened though, so we'll see

2410
02:46:18,210 --> 02:46:18,690
Sure

2411
02:46:22,050 --> 02:46:22,530
Absolutely.

2412
02:46:36,610 --> 02:46:42,030
Oh, thank you. We need to get by Jersey Mike's when they're having a big rush that blood is getting filled up

2413
02:46:42,030 --> 02:46:44,430
Yeah, well, I don't see that but I

2414
02:46:45,390 --> 02:46:49,110
Like the maximums get away with minimums move to maximums

2415
02:46:49,690 --> 02:46:51,730
Yeah, my no minimums

2416
02:46:52,510 --> 02:46:54,430
They were parking all parking requirements

2417
02:46:55,130 --> 02:46:59,290
You know, honestly, right, I don't see why we even try to,

2418
02:46:59,470 --> 02:47:01,210
I mean, so me, if you have a one-year option,

2419
02:47:01,330 --> 02:47:02,270
it would be the maximums,

2420
02:47:02,450 --> 02:47:05,310
but I don't think we should have minimum parking requirements

2421
02:47:05,310 --> 02:47:05,650
anymore.

2422
02:47:05,930 --> 02:47:07,230
It just doesn't make any sense.

2423
02:47:07,770 --> 02:47:09,230
City of Dallas is gonna go to,

2424
02:47:09,470 --> 02:47:11,090
I think I remember to the article correctly,

2425
02:47:11,150 --> 02:47:12,710
they're gonna go to no minimums now,

2426
02:47:12,850 --> 02:47:13,570
so that's what they're heading.

2427
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:16,030
I haven't seen anything recently on that.

2428
02:47:16,450 --> 02:47:18,530
Last council meeting they asked for parking,

2429
02:47:19,170 --> 02:47:21,270
to eliminate the parking minimums to Dallas.

2430
02:47:21,830 --> 02:47:23,810
I think though, I think, you know,

2431
02:47:23,810 --> 02:47:31,430
You got to call the trolley whatever but I think we just for lots of reasons but people of fate need to understand the Rockwell County

2432
02:47:31,430 --> 02:47:33,450
This is directed to alarm back there is

2433
02:47:34,390 --> 02:47:37,570
There's a penalty to not doing this as higher taxes

2434
02:47:37,570 --> 02:47:41,490
They can complain all day long about it by the day they're gonna hire dead higher tax

2435
02:47:41,490 --> 02:47:45,030
And that's what's gonna happen Rockwell County and that's a fact in city fate, too

2436
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:48,850
So they need to learn to leave the cars at home and find other transportation

2437
02:47:49,430 --> 02:47:53,270
Or they're gonna have a higher tax but and there's a payment for that, right?

2438
02:47:53,810 --> 02:47:58,150
And there's lots of ways, you know, you may not want to use your car or you may, there's

2439
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:58,650
ride sharing.

2440
02:47:58,890 --> 02:48:03,110
So ride sharing has changed how, you know, you look at lower Greenville, some of those

2441
02:48:03,110 --> 02:48:07,470
areas in Dallas where it's really popular, they've actually had to come back in and

2442
02:48:07,890 --> 02:48:12,750
reconfigure some of their streetscape to account for, you know, less parking, but

2443
02:48:12,750 --> 02:48:16,210
also more ride share and how do you get the drop off and the ride.

2444
02:48:16,330 --> 02:48:20,250
So there's ride share, there's, we're working on alternative transportation ordinance

2445
02:48:20,250 --> 02:48:25,430
Once we build out our trail system, we're going to have with this new single family rental product

2446
02:48:25,430 --> 02:48:30,150
We're going to be able to connect downtown to to Wood Creek mud six, which is huge

2447
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:32,590
There's thousand homes almost in that area

2448
02:48:32,590 --> 02:48:36,630
So we'll have you know close to a thousand units that can now get on a trail

2449
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:39,410
Get on a scooter get on a bike get on the e-bike

2450
02:48:39,410 --> 02:48:44,150
So there's all sorts of ways that it's still hot it's a little pain people are going to want to drive

2451
02:48:44,150 --> 02:48:46,830
But you start chipping away list a little bit

2452
02:48:46,830 --> 02:48:50,710
you know a few percentage points here a few percentage points there so and then

2453
02:48:50,710 --> 02:48:54,590
remember with the big lesson from Fort Worth that they found out I like to

2454
02:48:54,590 --> 02:48:59,110
repeat this every chance I get but they found out that like the mayor was saying

2455
02:48:59,110 --> 02:49:04,190
the biggest bang for their buck was not requiring people to provide not

2456
02:49:04,190 --> 02:49:08,350
requiring businesses to provide parking that what the citizens would really

2457
02:49:08,350 --> 02:49:13,890
want is they want they want street parking and it's just kind of a as we

2458
02:49:13,890 --> 02:49:17,690
move through our downtown we're doing this last where when we first started

2459
02:49:17,690 --> 02:49:20,930
opening these mixed use buildings we had people like I got to have X many spots

2460
02:49:20,930 --> 02:49:25,030
you got to guarantee me these many spots we're starting to move away from some of

2461
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:28,010
that we'll talk a little bit about that maybe tomorrow night with one of our

2462
02:49:28,010 --> 02:49:31,730
restaurants so what you don't want to do is you want to you don't want to

2463
02:49:31,730 --> 02:49:36,130
assign public parking as much as you can you want to have that free and then

2464
02:49:36,130 --> 02:49:41,130
speaking of free at some point the mentality is you know if it's really

2465
02:49:41,130 --> 02:49:45,210
valuable and people really want it, you can start charging for that. And people will, once

2466
02:49:45,210 --> 02:49:50,010
they make that mental shift, at first though, they won't like it, because in suburbs everything's,

2467
02:49:50,010 --> 02:49:55,470
you know, parking is free. But it's not really free. It costs you in a different way. But starting

2468
02:49:55,470 --> 02:50:01,030
to regulate that with, you know, 70%, 90%, when you start hitting those, starting with those

2469
02:50:01,030 --> 02:50:04,990
parking studies, trying to get into that, that sweet spot where you want, you want people

2470
02:50:04,990 --> 02:50:09,330
parking in front, but you want to be able to find a spot. That's the key, like you want

2471
02:50:09,330 --> 02:50:13,510
circle and be like oh my gosh there's no parking it but then ah there's a spot and

2472
02:50:13,510 --> 02:50:16,710
sometimes you have to regulate that with different techniques which includes

2473
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:21,050
pricing there's different technology to do that pay by phone and so forth so we're

2474
02:50:21,050 --> 02:50:24,150
a long way from that but that's where we're going to be headed and it could

2475
02:50:24,150 --> 02:50:27,930
be very successful. So two good points. I agree the downtown study

2476
02:50:27,930 --> 02:50:30,950
being after the construction is done I think it will change the dynamics right

2477
02:50:30,950 --> 02:50:34,970
and everything if you do bike lanes and stuff like that what Austin did was

2478
02:50:34,970 --> 02:50:38,630
because they had a bike lane, it's off, that baller's up,

2479
02:50:38,770 --> 02:50:41,930
then you come park and you had run the baller over the park.

2480
02:50:42,390 --> 02:50:44,730
It was the bizarre thing that they did down there,

2481
02:50:44,790 --> 02:50:46,250
so let's not do that one.

2482
02:50:46,910 --> 02:50:49,550
If you go to the bike lane, let's use the parking lot.

2483
02:50:49,810 --> 02:50:50,470
Mark, do you have a question?

2484
02:50:50,530 --> 02:50:54,070
So the parking minimums, eliminating parking minimums,

2485
02:50:54,450 --> 02:50:55,950
would that eliminate parking minimums

2486
02:50:55,950 --> 02:50:56,730
for an apartment building?

2487
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:58,650
Yep, I'll read across the book.

2488
02:50:58,690 --> 02:51:01,130
You can customize it however you want.

2489
02:51:01,230 --> 02:51:03,410
Now, here's one thing that it's mentioned

2490
02:51:03,410 --> 02:51:04,330
briefly in the report,

2491
02:51:04,330 --> 02:51:05,830
but this is just another reality.

2492
02:51:06,510 --> 02:51:08,610
If you're going to spend millions and millions of dollars

2493
02:51:08,610 --> 02:51:10,030
in building an apartment building,

2494
02:51:10,290 --> 02:51:11,890
you're sure as heck going to provide parking

2495
02:51:11,890 --> 02:51:12,750
for those residents.

2496
02:51:12,970 --> 02:51:15,950
You're not going to just be free willing and say,

2497
02:51:15,990 --> 02:51:17,550
yeah, I'll figure it out a place to park.

2498
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:19,170
Otherwise, you're not going to be able to lease

2499
02:51:19,170 --> 02:51:19,910
out those spaces.

2500
02:51:20,250 --> 02:51:23,190
In addition, and Mr. Kelly may be able to speak to this,

2501
02:51:23,890 --> 02:51:25,670
if you have an institutional financial,

2502
02:51:26,490 --> 02:51:28,350
I believe that most of the time they are going

2503
02:51:28,350 --> 02:51:29,850
to require a certain amount of parking

2504
02:51:29,850 --> 02:51:31,410
for your development to ensure

2505
02:51:31,410 --> 02:51:33,610
that it's going to be more chance of success.

2506
02:51:33,610 --> 02:51:38,670
So they're not going to lend you millions of dollars to build something if you're saying,

2507
02:51:38,750 --> 02:51:40,350
oh yeah, but I'm not going to provide any parking.

2508
02:51:40,730 --> 02:51:42,430
So there's some market realities to it as well.

2509
02:51:42,450 --> 02:51:45,470
I remember when the Avondale apartments were in the mix,

2510
02:51:45,830 --> 02:51:47,810
that was all street parking in front of people's homes.

2511
02:51:48,130 --> 02:51:51,790
So I don't know that that's necessarily a true statement

2512
02:51:51,790 --> 02:51:54,410
that if somebody's going to build a multi-million dollar building,

2513
02:51:54,570 --> 02:51:57,190
they're not going to want people to park across the street in front of somebody's house.

2514
02:51:57,370 --> 02:51:58,730
I think there are voters for this right there.

2515
02:51:58,730 --> 02:52:01,850
All right, so quickly and more, I think in the morning,

2516
02:52:03,110 --> 02:52:04,210
people adjust the weather.

2517
02:52:04,830 --> 02:52:05,830
They run a clock off in the morning.

2518
02:52:05,970 --> 02:52:06,590
They walk in the morning.

2519
02:52:07,390 --> 02:52:08,890
So right when or right of the day,

2520
02:52:09,430 --> 02:52:11,010
plenty of people have a clock off in the morning running,

2521
02:52:11,230 --> 02:52:12,230
by the way, on their sidewalk.

2522
02:52:12,450 --> 02:52:13,530
They just don't do it in the day, right?

2523
02:52:13,670 --> 02:52:15,050
So they adjust their schedules for walking.

2524
02:52:15,350 --> 02:52:17,870
So what would you need from us?

2525
02:52:18,890 --> 02:52:21,530
This was just kind of a primer, an introduction.

2526
02:52:22,570 --> 02:52:25,190
I'll just continue to communicate with Michael

2527
02:52:25,630 --> 02:52:27,350
and see kind of where we go with this.

2528
02:52:27,350 --> 02:52:31,850
As I mentioned, our department is going to be conducting a city-wide sidewalk and trail

2529
02:52:31,850 --> 02:52:37,170
gap analysis this year and start looking at strategic investments that we can identify

2530
02:52:37,730 --> 02:52:39,550
to make a more complete system.

2531
02:52:40,410 --> 02:52:46,830
The circulator, trolley, whatever you want to call it, that's an evaluation that we can

2532
02:52:47,550 --> 02:52:50,950
initiate anytime that you would want or as directed by Michael.

2533
02:52:51,390 --> 02:52:54,690
And then of course the parking study is also something on our to-do list that would

2534
02:52:54,690 --> 02:52:59,670
be done probably in about 18 months or two years once most of the major

2535
02:52:59,670 --> 02:53:04,890
development completed. Is there a chance we can take a look at something with the

2536
02:53:04,890 --> 02:53:11,550
if we got away from the minimums what would that do for the U-trap? I mean

2537
02:53:11,550 --> 02:53:17,730
there's something that we can like you can have some fun with. Yeah well I don't

2538
02:53:17,730 --> 02:53:22,390
have enough information right now but I imagine that they're probably gonna

2539
02:53:22,390 --> 02:53:24,430
to put in a custom parking requirement

2540
02:53:24,430 --> 02:53:25,530
in their plan development,

2541
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:27,630
and that's gonna be the regulation

2542
02:53:27,630 --> 02:53:28,890
for the entire project.

2543
02:53:29,350 --> 02:53:31,670
So our parking standards, whether they change

2544
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:33,730
in two years or three years or five years,

2545
02:53:34,130 --> 02:53:36,750
won't apply to the U-Track because they're gonna do it.

2546
02:53:37,330 --> 02:53:39,070
They're gonna have a set in stone

2547
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:41,490
until they come in and amend it.

2548
02:53:41,950 --> 02:53:44,010
They're gonna have a set in stone parking standard

2549
02:53:44,010 --> 02:53:46,130
that they're gonna ask for

2550
02:53:46,590 --> 02:53:47,930
as part of their plan development.

2551
02:53:48,790 --> 02:53:50,290
All right, thank you.

2552
02:53:50,290 --> 02:53:55,910
very welcome right next please agenda item number seven mayor council and

2553
02:53:55,910 --> 02:54:02,790
city manager reports I'd like to thank DPS for your continued support of our

2554
02:54:02,790 --> 02:54:08,190
city and as well as public works and building safety you guys continue to do

2555
02:54:08,190 --> 02:54:12,410
a good job on everything touch and we appreciate it thank you

2556
02:54:12,410 --> 02:54:20,450
All right. First, I'm going to start off with, um, I just want to applaud you Lance for your

2557
02:54:20,450 --> 02:54:25,150
vote today. Um, forgiveness is one of those things that pops up in my prayers rather often.

2558
02:54:25,430 --> 02:54:31,490
So thank you for that. Um, the other thing is we've got school starting up guys. It's

2559
02:54:31,490 --> 02:54:36,230
already here back to school is next week, Monday, Tuesday. Um, please pay attention

2560
02:54:36,230 --> 02:54:39,610
to all of those school flashing lights,

2561
02:54:40,350 --> 02:54:41,430
have a lot of grace.

2562
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:43,990
There's gonna be a lot of parents having to figure out

2563
02:54:43,990 --> 02:54:46,150
how the drop-off pickup stuff works.

2564
02:54:46,270 --> 02:54:47,750
We're gonna have a lot of kindergartners

2565
02:54:47,750 --> 02:54:49,870
go into school, walking to school, riding their bikes.

2566
02:54:50,330 --> 02:54:51,690
It all starts up next week.

2567
02:54:51,930 --> 02:54:55,390
So just a lot of patience, a lot of grace,

2568
02:54:55,570 --> 02:54:57,150
and you might wanna leave a little bit early

2569
02:54:57,150 --> 02:54:58,290
if you're trying to get somewhere.

2570
02:55:00,110 --> 02:55:00,690
Okay, Jim.

2571
02:55:02,450 --> 02:55:03,190
Now I forgot, no.

2572
02:55:04,050 --> 02:55:07,910
DPS once again thank you especially with all the heat going on I'm sure that you

2573
02:55:07,910 --> 02:55:10,750
guys are out there a little bit more in force just paying attention to our

2574
02:55:10,750 --> 02:55:16,810
citizens you know there's a lot of worry about the heat and what's impacting on

2575
02:55:16,810 --> 02:55:22,630
people DPS it's been wonderful watching you guys and we actually have a repeat

2576
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:27,030
person in our neighborhood and you guys have always responded always curious to

2577
02:55:27,030 --> 02:55:31,530
the neighborhood and very sensitive about what's going on water is also going to

2578
02:55:31,530 --> 02:55:34,350
be pretty tight so we're going to have to be kind of watching on that I'm assuming for

2579
02:55:34,350 --> 02:55:40,130
the next month and a half or so. So that's something that I encourage everybody to look

2580
02:55:40,130 --> 02:55:44,610
at how you're watering and how often you're doing it. I will admit, I went back and changed

2581
02:55:44,610 --> 02:55:52,510
mine because that was over watering so thanks. Mark, you're next. It's still lottery today.

2582
02:55:53,470 --> 02:55:59,570
Just want to say, just want to say thanks everyone for participating. I know everyone

2583
02:55:59,570 --> 02:56:04,790
left and went home but citizen involvement is important and I appreciate those who did come and speak.

2584
02:56:07,250 --> 02:56:12,110
Also welcome to the two new officers from DPS. I'm glad we're glad to have those two

2585
02:56:12,110 --> 02:56:19,450
officers in the city celebrate fate fast approaching be ready for that that's coming in September

2586
02:56:19,450 --> 02:56:25,610
hopefully it's down to 104 by that time and we can all enjoy it and shop local so that we can

2587
02:56:25,610 --> 02:56:30,350
And we can afford to all to put the roads down and just got more money to finish up roadways.

2588
02:56:30,450 --> 02:56:30,670
Thanks.

2589
02:56:32,230 --> 02:56:32,990
Mr. Kelly.

2590
02:56:35,750 --> 02:56:38,050
First off, thanks to DPS for all you all do.

2591
02:56:38,690 --> 02:56:42,730
Glad y'all are getting some new officers in and on the street soon.

2592
02:56:43,910 --> 02:56:49,490
So I know those guys are under a lot of pressure, especially with the weather and all the construction around.

2593
02:56:50,010 --> 02:56:51,610
So thanks to y'all.

2594
02:56:51,610 --> 02:56:57,230
Thank you all Raju. Thanks to you and your team for all the budget questions and information that y'all have provided.

2595
02:56:57,590 --> 02:57:01,510
It's a lot of information and we're going to be talking about a lot over the next week, so thank y'all.

2596
02:57:01,870 --> 02:57:05,230
I also want to thank everybody who came out and spoke tonight.

2597
02:57:06,310 --> 02:57:11,470
It's not an easy issue when we're looking at waivers like that, exemptions like that.

2598
02:57:12,530 --> 02:57:19,530
And there's a lot of things that have to be considered, but for everybody to at least let your opinion be heard is a great thing.

2599
02:57:19,530 --> 02:57:25,750
Thank you well quickly. So thanks to the chief and you know, thank you for all you guys do

2600
02:57:25,750 --> 02:57:29,870
I do treasure decisions your office decision. I don't accept it

2601
02:57:29,870 --> 02:57:35,430
You know the feedback you guys did something wrong. So we I always will support you and for their decisions

2602
02:57:35,430 --> 02:57:41,050
It's our job and people don't like it. They can fly they can go to school and apply for the job

2603
02:57:41,050 --> 02:57:43,130
Then you learn how hard it really is

2604
02:57:43,830 --> 02:57:47,590
Michael thanks for doing as it done John everybody think well I'll answer the question

2605
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:52,870
I know we have a lot of meetings today, so thank you for doing that and I do probation and always like feedback

2606
02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:57,210
Just like we use facts once in a while. Be nice. Okay. Next, please

2607
02:57:59,110 --> 02:58:04,890
Agenda add that white city manager report. I'm sorry Michael. You're next. I miss he's not I guess

2608
02:58:04,890 --> 02:58:13,530
So tomorrow just some meeting stuff so tomorrow just a reminder. It's the joint meeting with the

2609
02:58:13,530 --> 02:58:23,690
MED, so we'll see y'all back here tomorrow, and then August is kind of meeting fast, August

2610
02:58:23,690 --> 02:58:30,190
14th budget meeting, as y'all alluded to, and then the 16th, that's a busy week, the county

2611
02:58:30,190 --> 02:58:38,270
consortiums, and then the 17th, PNZ and CAC, and they were working on some impact fees,

2612
02:58:38,650 --> 02:58:39,610
so that should be interesting.

2613
02:58:39,610 --> 02:58:43,210
And then I also want to say congrats to Mayor Billings.

2614
02:58:43,250 --> 02:58:46,410
He was accepted to the Leadership in North Texas class

2615
02:58:46,410 --> 02:58:49,330
for the North Texas Commission, so congrats to him on that.

2616
02:58:51,880 --> 02:58:53,880
Yes, I'll get faced up again.

2617
02:58:54,480 --> 02:58:54,700
What's that?

2618
02:58:54,980 --> 02:58:56,460
It did.

2619
02:58:57,420 --> 02:59:01,080
I know you told him not to do it, and then they did it.

2620
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:03,760
All right, next please.

2621
02:59:04,260 --> 02:59:06,840
Agenda item 8, executive session in accordance

2622
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:10,540
with Texas government code section 551.001,

2623
02:59:10,540 --> 02:59:14,480
the city council recess into executive session closed meeting to discuss the

2624
02:59:14,480 --> 02:59:19,280
following a in accordance with Texas government code section five five one

2625
02:59:19,280 --> 02:59:24,300
point zero seven one consultation with attorney one to receive legal advice

2626
02:59:24,300 --> 02:59:29,200
regarding strategic government resources incorporated SGR contract for human

2627
02:59:29,200 --> 02:59:33,740
resource services and be in accordance with Texas government code section five

2628
02:59:33,740 --> 02:59:37,940
of one point zero seven four to deliberate the appointment employment

2629
02:59:37,940 --> 02:59:43,180
evaluation, reassignment, duties, discipline, or dismissal of a public officer or employee

2630
02:59:43,180 --> 02:59:44,860
want human resources director.

2631
02:59:45,680 --> 02:59:47,660
Okay, I'll take it in the second session at 9.13.

2632
02:59:53,890 --> 02:59:57,570
Oh, I'll take it out of the executive session at 9.35.

2633
02:59:58,030 --> 02:59:58,350
Okay.

2634
02:59:59,270 --> 02:59:59,850
No action.

2635
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,460
Item number 10 is adjournment. I'll take most to adjourn.

2636
03:00:03,620 --> 03:00:05,460
I'll make a motion to adjourn. I second it.

2637
03:00:05,880 --> 03:00:07,700
All in favor? All in favor? All in favor?

2638
03:00:08,200 --> 03:00:10,320
Thank you. Good night.