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I know. Good evening, Lance. Thank you. Are we ready to start it? Yes, sir. All right, I'd like to cover or the special city council meeting of August 12, 2024, 6 o'clock p.m. Madam Secretary, we have a quorum. Yes, Mayor, we do. Next, please. Item 2, invocation given by councilmember Lance magazine, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance to the American and Texas flags. Please stand.

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Father in heaven, we just give you praise for the day. Father, we

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We thank you for your goodness and your faithfulness to us.

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Or as we do business for the city, I just ask that you would give each one of us wisdom,

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clarity of thought, critical thinking.

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And Father, we just give you thanks for it.

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Father, we also pray for our first responders.

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We ask that you would be with them, that you would put your hand in protection over them as they patrol our city tonight.

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And that they watch out for every citizen in the city of fate.

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We thank you, Father, for our city staff, for the tireless work that they do continually.

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We just ask that you would bless them, that you would bless the works of their hand, Father God, for everything that we do for our citizens.

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And this we ask the name of your son, Jesus. Amen.

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Thank you. Next, please.

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Agenda item 3a, water and wastewater rate study presentation.

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All right.

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You're your favorite topic, right?

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Excellent.

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Howdy mayor, members of council, math, you get it with new gen strategies and solution.

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Pleasure to be back in front of you.

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Go through this presentation pretty quickly.

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Looks like we're in PDFs.

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I'll do a little scrolling.

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How just fine.

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Okay.

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So, as usual, right, we come back in and we look at your rates every year.

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First, we want to know that it's going to pay the bills, right?

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So we look at financial adequately, we have a few tests for that.

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We make sure that your revenues meet your expenses or exceed them to the extent you want

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to fund capital or set aside money.

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And then lastly, you have to hit debt service coverage target and have some days cash on

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hand.

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So we don't operate on a zero balance.

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So those are sort of our key metrics.

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The key drivers, the reason we look at this over here, you do have rising wholesale cost.

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Your capital improvement needs are steady, but you've been planning for that and doing

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a good job of setting cash aside to help fund part of these needs.

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Lastly, something that I haven't said that often to this council is that growth has been very

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rapid and you've been very fortunate not to change rates for years on your water side.

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waste water rates changed two years back about $4 on the minimum bill but otherwise you haven't changed rates in some time

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Your growth has really supported that your growth is starting to decline and so it may be that future rate increases are needed

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So that's the story those are the big points and we'll talk through each of those

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All right, so your cost increases this is a bit dated. I believe the city may receive the letter

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altering this unit rate from North Texas Missile Water District by five cents at

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about a billion gallons, that's about $50,000 of delta or difference to your total

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expense. That said, it is about a 5% increase on the overall cost in your unit

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rate. You do have an expected decrease in your wastewater bill from North

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Texas Missile Water District primarily due to the shared systems with Royce City

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where their usage or consumption for flow is increasing and yours is moderately growing.

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They're taking a higher percentage, right?

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You will have some other increases for those systems though because they have some major

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capital investments to make it.

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Any questions on this?

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Nope.

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Thank you.

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Fantastic.

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So we are using the Strategic Financial Plans as published on the North Texas Municipal Water

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District's website to forecast their cost.

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First, as you may know, they change their rates near term differently than they do in the long term.

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So they won't revisit the strategic financial plan until next year, but we do show a substantial increase over time is going to be needed to continue with your water purchases at the district.

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So did the customer rate go up or all the members and customer rate go up?

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All the rates went up.

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Okay, everybody.

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Equally?

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Equally no, because you have a nickel difference.

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I know.

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Like I thought, we are 2.5 cents different now being cussed from member senate.

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Effectively, we're about 2 percent different.

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Okay, 2 percent.

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Okay.

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As a percentage.

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Thank you.

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Absolutely.

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Any other questions?

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Right.

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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And so again, just to point out the obvious, going from $4 million to $7 million in 10 years

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is going to have a big need if the new rooftops and the new consumption aren't here to help support it.

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and or commercial, the new users, that is.

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Then we do have your wastewater contract expenses.

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I did want to show you what that looks like.

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I mentioned that in 25 you had actually a slight reduction

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to take the win, but in the very near term,

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they're going to have some increases.

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Starting off with Sabine Creek.

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They're going to have some major investment in 26.

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Finishing some construction, I think in 27.

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And then the budget Greek interceptor,

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a parallel interceptor project has about 20 million dollars

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of capital improvement requirements in fiscal 28, so you'll see that since you're sharing

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that burden with Roy City, you have a pretty large jump again in fiscal 2028. And this

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is your collective wastewater charge is not system specific from the district. So that's

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on the horizon. Good to keep our eyes open, know what's coming. In the near term, you have

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your own capital improvement funding. We do show that you have water funding of about $6.5

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million dollars and a little less than half a million for wastewater in the coming fiscal year.

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You have a variety of funding sources so that's not all cash capital from operations which is

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good news. And then you'll see you do have a plan though it's moderate under half a million next

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year for some capital about two million in a year following etc. So those are the items that are

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baked into our expenses that we put into our forecast which is giving us a vision of what your rates

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may need to be to fund the future.

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Lastly, for the big topics, your growth,

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you've been growing more than we thought,

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the dotted lines represent where we thought you would be.

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And so, again, without the increases,

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this growth really has saved the rates

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and the revenue sufficiency of baits, water,

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and wastewater utility.

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We do show at the end you see that taper off.

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And so we have about 100 units of growth in fiscal 29.

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So you start to see that growth wane in year five.

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All right, we do want to show you.

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We do look at the detailed record from the utility building system.

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This is the seasonality reflected in your road.

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You'll see that in the winter months, you do have a winter average, right?

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And so we're going to take the December, January and February bill.

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That's the 5.1, 1, 1, 5, 0, 6, and 4, 8, 5, and determine the winter average

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or the assumed flow for the wastewater bills.

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But you see that you have some very high peaking in, like every other community, in the summer, because we're watering the lawns.

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Alright, a lot of numbers on this screen. The only thing I want you to queue into is with the rate increases that we projected.

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And I guess I should say there's no rate increase projected in fiscal 25. I should have led with that.

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But in the coming years, 26 through 29, we're anticipating a need of about 7% on water and waste.

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If we do so and we execute the expense plan that we have, you'll see that we work our

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days operating reserve from about 253 in fiscal 25, down to 128, which is on the cusp of

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your target of 120.

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So we have a prudent plan to raise rates and spend on our cash, not all in one fail swoop,

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but it does show in the five year plan getting closer to our target so that we're not just

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pooling cash in our operating fund.

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So, again, underlying no rate increase in 25, 7% increases on water and wastewater for

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fiscal year's 26 through 29.

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Yes, sir.

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So, and we're not recut, if I remember your chart correctly, I think I asked you this every

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year, probably.

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Yes, sir.

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So, we're not recovering 27 all the expenses of the water, right?

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Right.

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There's a planned under recovery, which is a use of bath.

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So we're going to draw down the day's operating reserves?

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Yes.

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That's the plan.

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We aren't setting rates for that, of course, this evening or in this fiscal year.

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But if we follow this plan to a T, that's what you'd experience.

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All right, thanks for the thinking about that for a minute.

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It's okay.

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I have a question.

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So we're doing no rate increase this year and 7% next year.

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It would be possible to have a rate increase, a small rate increase this year and

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a less a rate increase next year.

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I mean, 7% pretty large jump in one water bill.

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Yes, or absolutely, one could raise rates this year.

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I think there was a desire to hold the line and see how-

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Yeah, sorry, we have faces before it hasn't happened.

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Yeah, I would wait and then we can smooth it out long, we could do that if these parameters hold true.

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I mean, last time we had to have a discussion about four or five years ago where we thought we're going to raise rates and we never end up doing it.

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Right?

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Last time in 23 we thought we'd have an every other year rate increase and going into

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a cadence like that we knew it was coming, but they haven't materialized, again, kind

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of pointing back to cost controls by your staff and the fortuitous growth that's overcome

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your increased cost.

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And then the next year we do hit phase 7 then we can make choices around 2, 3, 4, whatever

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we want to do and spread it out a little bit, right?

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Right.

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And then in full disclosure it's my best, I'm sorry, I go ahead, sir.

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I'll go after you.

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Okay.

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Okay, very simply, I will be as conservative as I can,

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making your expenses as high as I can make them within a reason.

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And I'm going to make sure your revenue is conservatively low.

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And so I'd rather staff complain about making too much than we miss the mark.

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And so, not only do you have the externalities like the district,

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the new contract, the volumes, et cetera.

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You have my conservative projections that may make next year less than seven.

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Okay, because I heard you say something about we definitely are going to have some increases

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is because of equipment or capital expenditure.

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So those are definitely coming.

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Yes, sir.

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OK, it's expected.

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Yeah, they're in the district's capital improvement plan.

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So we still have to get into a lot of the mechanics of how

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those get executed and how much and whose share is what

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with Roy City.

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But the other thing we're thinking of is we, of course,

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we like to put off rate increase.

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We don't want to run the ship we're sure into the ground, but we want to make sure that we're watching that we're just not getting ahead of it.

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We are going to watch for North Texas and what they're going to do with the water rates with the customer cities.

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So we're part of the customer cities coalition.

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We've been doing that for several years and we think we're getting to a compromise with the district and those negotiations are starting to conclude we're hoping.

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and so we'll know with greater detail what the impact that could be, is generally going to be worse?

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We know that we're getting the deal right now.

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It's not going to be 2% the district at 1.1 at a 10% differential between what the customer city's paid and what the member city's pay.

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And that's getting negotiated down to where close in that gap.

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So we're hoping that we get to take a look at that.

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We'll see, Matthew's very conservative, which is great, we like that.

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We're always kind of watching to see, can we plug like this year?

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We talked about earlier.

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Can we plug a little bit of the hole that we saw for this year with water impact fees due to pump station three and so forth?

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And some of the debt that we've taken on the answer of absolutely yes, totally, it's available.

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And is that debt payment that transfer from water impact fee into the utility fund?

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Is that sustainable over time?

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and we think yes, yes it is.

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As long as we don't get like zero,

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absolutely nothing.

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So if residential slows down, that's okay.

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If commercial slows way down

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and residential slows way down together,

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then we'll have no impact fees coming in.

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Then there is some exposure.

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So there's always some risk to that.

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But we think the longer we can put off a rating increase,

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also this theory is, as long as we're not pushing that

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that towards a huge, we have more customers

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numbers to spread that cost to.

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And we have more business, so we're getting all these businesses.

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We'll see the sales tax chart coming up, where we can see the sales tax coming up like this.

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So as you get more businesses, you get some of those high flow customers.

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You go on.

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Thank you.

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Excellent.

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Okay.

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The other thing I'll point out on observation between 25 and 26, you'll see your thing operating reserve balance.

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bottom. You're ending this year plan 2 at 8.05. Next year 8.1, very modest growth

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right, $68,000 more. But you'll see your days operating or down substantially

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because you're cost to operator going up. So we're losing footing even with the

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same dollars against the days operating time. So some things are we're keeping an

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eye on, but I think you're okay with no rate increase in this current fiscal

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here. Here are those bill impacts if we were to follow plan and have seven percent per year.

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You'll see the bill going up from the 107-17 currently up to 140-48 by the end of the five year plan.

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This is a customer with 5,000 gallons of usage.

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Except I'll leave my phone on. Another cousin on all night. More like your average user currently paying 125, we'll be at 163 and 85% at the end of.

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Okay. I know you can all do 7% math. The other good thing about this, your current and proposed are the same. And so this chart is your comparison of current rates to the current rate of the comparative group in the region. Of course these are their current rates, their relative standing position will change when they have a rate increase that they may be in.

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anticipating this year.

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So this is again $5,000 down.

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Can I ask you a question?

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Can I ask a question?

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Do you anticipate rate increases for these other cities?

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Are they sort of thing, belief?

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I was, yes or down the road, and I met virtually

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with the other one between those two meetings.

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So I anticipate rate increases for several of these customers.

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And member cities as well.

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Yes, sir.

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Oh, yeah, we'll do.

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Yeah, so this is the average residential user, closer to the middle of the pack here, on

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your average consumption with 7,100 gallons of water consumption and 40 at 50 waste water

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as a winter average, you'll see some like Wiley actually have a fixed charge, so they're

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not going to fluctuate as much others that had a winter average we use like for like and

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charge the same winter average there as we would here.

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and then we do have the member cities to note it as we've had for years with the little red

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coloration to the left. So you can see those that are already getting a member rate in their

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customer rates on this chart. They're not all below you.

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So recommendations again,

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I've already kind of spoiled it and said no rate increase is anticipated or suggested this year,

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but we do want to keep an eye on it, continue monitoring that capital plan, and then of course updating

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as we get more information on those other items.

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Any questions?

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I do.

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On the capital expenditures, did you take into account the 14 million gallon sewer plant increase?

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Yes sir, that's the parkour creek.

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Sabine.

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Sabine, that was coming up in 26.

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I'm not sure when it's coming up.

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I don't think that one's, I don't think that one's a donlin book yet.

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It's about in the beyond the five year horizon.

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It is, yes, beyond the five year.

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Okay.

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I didn't see that one by name.

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I don't recall it by name in the strategic financial plan.

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But if it's beyond our five year,

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we've put in a program that yet.

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Yeah, we just did what a three to seven and then,

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they want to go to 14.

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14, right, we've found,

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I think no Texas has submitted the permit on our behalf

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between for Roy City and Fates or in the permit application

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process to get a 13 or 14 MGD plan.

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So if that comes through earlier, then we should expect a higher rate increase in the

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country at the outlying years.

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Potentially, yes, sir.

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So I did use their 10-year forecast.

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And so as of April this year, they had envisioned that in the next 10 years.

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It would have been on this chart, which is your relative total cost for wastewater.

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Though I wouldn't have put it in your five-year rate horizon.

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Yes, sir.

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Mark any questions?

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I was just going to say it's a little bit ironic because we actually have on our city website that we won't be able to conserve water.

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But yet, we want we want more customer base to the lower the rates.

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All

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right, thank you so much.

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All right, just a quick agenda, just one real quick.

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So we're going to move with the council's 5B to the first of the actual section 6, any objection to the council?

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We'll just have to vote on that separately tonight.

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All right.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, please.

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Item 4, public comment.

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And I've received two requests to address the council, first being from Randy Long, address 2263, Bryant Lane wishes to speak on a topic not on the agenda

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That's to say thank you.

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Hey, welcome to anything.

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Thank you for coming.

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Yeah, Randy Long, 2263 Bryant Lane.

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And I happen to be out of town last week

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on a two-week vacation for the council meeting,

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and I missed it.

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But I wanted to come and express my thanks and gratitude

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to the four council members who stood up

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and stood tall with compassion, sensitivity, and graciousness

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devote to partially restore a homestead exemption.

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one that should never have been callously taken away and with the wrong spirit in the

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first place. It is a partial restoration but I am optimistic that next year is another

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new year with lots of potential to gain full and rightful restoration. It may not seem

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like a big deal to those of you who are still on a payroll and subject to pay raises, bonuses

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and profit sharing, but to those on fixed incomes and or disabled, every penny in this

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harsh economy makes a difference. Just for example, if you take $11,000, it doesn't seem

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like much just to drop in the proverbial bucket. But $11,000 here and $11,000 there, and pretty

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soon you have some pretty serious money. In addition, any reduction always sends a clear

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message of stewardship, frugality, and sensitivity to where that 11,000 comes from.

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Again, thank you, it is so nice to see some welcome and much needed advocacy, especially for a group much in need of it.

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Thank you, Randy, appreciate it, next please.

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Next is Karen Kaiser, address 1093 North Churchill wishes to speak on agenda item 5B.

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I'm sorry, Karen Kaiser, 1093 North Church Hill Drive.

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My apologies for touching on a consent agenda item, because I'm thrilled that you

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approved it just as you did.

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I think it's an exact right number.

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And what should be, but there was something said,

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But in last meeting that I have been grappling with and thinking I will make sense of it because I am mathematical,

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but I can't.

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And I'm hoping you could explain it, because I've also seen it said in other venues.

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But it was said from the day is 318 million in taxable value is shifted to the rest of

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with the over 65 frees, I believe, and then further said that if it had been the 75,000,

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it could be 1 billion in taxable value, and I mean there's 921 properties, give or take,

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and working off of the average that I believe it was, the City Manager said 365,000.

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I can't in any way understand how 318 million of valuation is not being taxed because I am over 65.

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We still pay tax, we just pay the tax we paid in 2023, so did we instead mean it's the incremental difference each year?

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No, I'll explain to you afterwards.

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Okay, that was my question, it's driving me nuts.

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Thank you, you're welcome, thank you so much.

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Next, please.

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Next, will be item five consent agenda, which just includes approval of minutes.

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Just one item, any question?

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I'll take a motion on the, I'm the minutes, please.

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I'll make a motion, we accept the consent agenda.

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I have a motion out of second, second.

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I think it's starting voting.

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The matter is yes, I've stayed, but no, watch the months, people's not.

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Including myself, like traffic lights, isn't it?

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That's Allen's not here.

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Can we take Allen off the list, please?

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His name will still, he will not be removed from that because there's a total of members.

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All right, so motion passes 6 is 0.

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Thank you, okay, it's going to be interesting to get used to.

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It's going to be interesting.

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All right, next please.

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Next is agenda item 5B.

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We consider approval of ordinance number O2024-039,

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increasing the over 65 property tax, residential homestead exemption from 25,000 to 50,000.

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All right, so I'll take a motion, a second and any discussion, and we can vote.

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I have a motion, please.

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A motion that we pass ordinance number 0-204-039.

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9.

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Second.

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I second.

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I second.

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All right.

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Any more any more discussion?

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If not, please vote.

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I guess I'm voting, I guess.

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Motion passes 42 with Councilman Megasin and Councilman Kelly voting.

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No.

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Next, please.

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Next is agenda item 6A public hearing on proposed budget for the fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024, and ending September 30th, 2025.

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So this is straight up public hearing, right, Victor?

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Correct.

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No action, just public hearing.

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All right, I'll open the public hearing of a 626.

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Anyone who's speaking for against the proposed budget, please come forward.

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Seeing none, I will close the public hearing of 626.

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Next, please.

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agenda item 6B, discuss, consider and take any necessary action regarding the proposed fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget.

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All right, Michael.

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Yes sir, I have a short presentation edited

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for it, it looks like a super short.

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I have, oh Raju, I have control, Raju,

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oh are you, all right we got it, go ahead.

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It's a PDF that's

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not it, okay maybe I should, Raju you take control, there should be a

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the PowerPoint in here.

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Do we need help?

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It's a different folder.

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Oh, here we go, I'm sorry.

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We have multiple folders.

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Do we need training on this?

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All right, here we are.

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We got it.

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Thank you.

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All he had to do is stand up.

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We will go quick as requested.

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All right, proposed.

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This is the proposed budget.

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As you know, you've been all been working on this with us.

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Strategic priorities, public safety, fiscal resiliency and accountability,

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a sense of community and sustainable infrastructure and services.

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Those are your priorities that you gave us to begin this process.

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What we heard and started to implement is growing, we want to grow our expenses conservatively.

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Focusing really on DPS needs, expenses with the best value approach to any additions.

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really empathize with our citizens on the inflation they're experiencing, and then of course we do all this, but not ignoring our maintenance responsibilities in our infrastructure.

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Just some highlights, signal family permit, revenue, Matthew mentioned that growth is slowing.

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We're slowing a little bit, we're not doing 800-900 houses a year anymore, which is good.

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I think we need to, you know, when we were doing that, it seemed like all we were doing is just kind of serving the, in preparing for the new folks.

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but we really wanted to do stuff for the folks that were here, but we spent just a lot of time

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reacting, and so now we've got a little bit more, we've got a lot more commercial growth,

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which is a little bit different animal. But here's you can see, this is from our permanent

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revenue replacement plan, the black line on FY24 shows what our budget was for this year,

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and this is the total, of course, is what we're anticipating to collect, which we'll talk about

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a little bit later in the next agenda item.

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And of course, the tax rate, we love to talk about the

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tax rate 7th lowest in the Metroplex with the Dallas Chamber cities that were reviewed.

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Property taxes, the diminumist rate is the proposal, this number is a little bit off.

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It's going to go up about .02 from the anticipated rate here, just because of the tweak that we made to the senior tax exemption, going to 50.

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The road fee was eliminated, which saves about $36 a year.

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The average tax bill, I think, was about $31 a year,

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Resue, that it's going up, so we're about net, we're about net down about $5.

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And then, of course, but there's a garbage rate increase, let's about $1 a month,

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so we're back to a kind of a net negative 7 for the average household per year.

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which is not bad considering inflation and everything else going on.

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So where does the money come from? It comes mostly from property tax, but look at this sales tax.

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This is forecasted in the coming year.

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So we are optimistic that we're using realistic sales tax projections from Zachtax.

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We help us with our sales tax projections.

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And so you can see licenses and permits.

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Historically, have been a major part of our budget coming way down as far as the part of the pie.

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sales tax. We just talked about that. You can see the sales tax jumping all the way to about

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three word, anticipating about 3.9 million. Still not that much, but we're getting there.

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And you know,

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where do we spend our money? Mostly we spend it on police, put the police function being the blue.

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And then of course all the other functions fire being another big one. And then transferring to

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different other functions and so forth and so on.

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Road maintenance, this is probably the biggest, one of the biggest, if not the biggest item in the budget.

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As far as the operating budget going from a million, roughly a million to a one and a half million on road maintenance every year. And then we also add street maintenance tech and then a literal control tech, which was part of the actually sanitation fund there. So big emphasis on fixing things and cleaning up the town. And the next big one, if not bigger, really, in total budget impact is the public safety staffing. So we're getting closer

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We're supposed to fill in the staffing, we're still in total, we're still too short, but we're going to get there.

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We're proposing adding three fire lieutenants, a lot of part time fire folks.

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And adding on the police side in our codex detective, it's a half year position.

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So we've got to fund that fully in the next year.

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And then we've got a school resource officer, which for a couple months, but we've got to pull that person into next year as well.

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into the next next year.

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The capital improvement program, all funds about 25 million on new roads is mostly that one.

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Mostly that's the biggest one about 11 and then continuing pump station 3 for 5 million.

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Hopefully it's finished as well and then not in the budget because it has to pass from the voters.

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We're going to be talking about that tonight is a DPS bond now the new numbers 20 million from 29.

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Some of the big CIP projects in the budget mis-made drive, 5 million working on pump station

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3, hopefully finishing it up, 5 million North Bend Payne for 3.3, finishing that and

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then Gettysburg to Blackland about 2.7 in this year and then possibly well we're actually

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hoping to get some of that started this year, so we'll see how that goes, if we may have

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to put the whole thing in next year, we're still negotiating that one and then of course

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we mentioned the DPS bond it's going to go through that's going to go through multiple years

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what makes some tweaks to the CIP to install that. So really the action that you need to take

455
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,280
you've done that you've held the public hearing on the on the budget. Any other changes at this

456
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,200
pointer optional for you and that is it for me. So Michael the next budget will have the new

457
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:20,100
Cocona Postman Officer and you know a person with the MDD budget. We have a code enforcement officer

458
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:26,020
that you all have added. Yes. Okay. So we'll start that person in January. Okay. I didn't put

459
00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:29,280
that in the slide. That's why I always want to make sure. Yeah, we still have so we have the

460
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,320
code enforcement person. And then I think there's some, there's some interest in maybe adding economic

461
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,820
development staff of some sort. MDD. So we could talk about that. So that would be an MDD's

462
00:32:38,820 --> 00:32:44,660
budget. And we could do that. You could direct us to do that tonight if you'd like. Cody,

463
00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:45,000
Any questions?

464
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Mark.

465
00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:55,160
The trash, decided I had the two people from one fish street to one for trash, what's that trash person do?

466
00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:05,560
They are going to do essentially beautification, so litter pick up, and when they're not doing litter pick up, they're going to go into the street department.

467
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:06,860
Okay, help with street functions.

468
00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:08,420
The

469
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:17,250
revenues slide you showed sales tax percentage of 22% in last year's budget.

470
00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:18,310
What was our sales tax?

471
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:22,640
Ratchet, you're doing it for the last year?

472
00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:27,340
I can pull up last year's budget.

473
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,720
I think it's just this year.

474
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:30,280
20?

475
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,280
Thank you, Justin.

476
00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:32,840
That's why it's not like that.

477
00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:36,760
All right, Michael.

478
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:37,080
Thank you.

479
00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:37,660
Appreciate it.

480
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:38,680
All right.

481
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:39,260
Next, please.

482
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:47,860
Is agenda item 6c, discuss, consider, and take any necessary action regarding surpluses and the general fund.

483
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,280
So I'm going to give you guys a proposal, and who's going to talk about that?

484
00:33:52,140 --> 00:33:52,240
You?

485
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,260
I will talk and read you will be in support.

486
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,320
So, you have to oppose the three things.

487
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:05,980
Right, just to clarify on the last item, we didn't take any action on the MBD, so we'll just continue with that.

488
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:07,340
Wait, is for now?

489
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:07,700
Yeah.

490
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:08,460
So

491
00:34:13,130 --> 00:34:14,510
we have some surplus fund.

492
00:34:14,650 --> 00:34:19,640
We think we're going to have, let me get this off the screen if I can, help.

493
00:34:24,870 --> 00:34:25,850
I only have a mouse.

494
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:30,900
Thank you, sir.

495
00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:35,180
All right, for this one, we're just going to speak from the staff summary.

496
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,820
So we have, we think we have about, we'll have about $2 million.

497
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,060
If development continues at the pace, it's going right now.

498
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,900
So our proposal is if we want to use about a million for a bumper truck,

499
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:59,940
We pulled the bumper trucks, we pulled, all directed for change to the DPS bond, and I don't want to try to cross pollinate these bits hard not to.

500
00:35:00,660 --> 00:35:13,700
So the directive, what yes, last meeting was, from go from 22.5 million to 20 million, and to do that, what we're proposing, leading the land purchase, which was somewhat controversial.

501
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:21,760
We've kind of got that tone from y'all, and then to go ahead and do, we think the best thing would be to pull a million out and do the bumper truck.

502
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:29,160
So if we do this, we could spend a million of our surplus coming up on a new bumper truck and get that on its way at some point.

503
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:35,640
And then we've got, now we've got a million left, with that million, we could save 500,000.

504
00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:42,600
We don't know if we're about to get into legal issues, defending our rural areas in the comprehensive plan.

505
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:48,880
So we've got we could save a little bit for that and then potentially front load the road maintenance fund

506
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,220
Which is fun to a one we could transfer money into the road maintenance fund since we're raising the

507
00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:58,640
The amount we couldn't fully fund it at one and a half million. We'd love to do that

508
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:05,280
Just so that there's a whole years worth of money in the road maintenance fund because what happened last year when we got into trouble with

509
00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:10,260
The with the permit stripping as the financial markets and the buyers were starting to

510
00:36:10,260 --> 00:36:19,040
We had to adjust to the higher interest rates, we had that slow down, and so we had to do is we had to stop some of our maintenance transfers into that fund.

511
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:27,540
So if we had money in that fund, we could see the problems coming slow down the transfers, but still complete the work for that year.

512
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,020
So we could at least we could put a third of it in there, so we could put 500,000 in the road maintenance fund.

513
00:36:33,020 --> 00:36:38,820
So those proposals, 500 for the road maintenance fund, 500 to remain in the general fund,

514
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:43,480
fund balance for transfer, for legal fees if needed and a million for a bumper truck.

515
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560
Okay, any questions, suggestions?

516
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:47,560
You good, Mark, you good with this?

517
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,320
So, if we're going to remove the property, where are we going to put the police station?

518
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,900
No, this is the surplus, this is not the police station.

519
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:59,360
No, you should remove the property from the bond for $29,000.

520
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,380
But that would be different, there's a different action from the bond that's next.

521
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:02,740
Okay.

522
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:04,460
That's on the surplus only.

523
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:05,260
All right.

524
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,500
Okay, Scott.

525
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:20,880
Only recommendation is I know you're using dollars just to simplify, but let's just set whatever we do is a percentage of the surplus that way, whatever dollar comes in.

526
00:37:21,580 --> 00:37:23,940
Half of it goes to a fire truck.

527
00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:26,480
It'll be in 50% to 25%.

528
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,080
10.9% I'll go with that, Mark.

529
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,360
let's say we didn't use all the legal fees. I know that could that could be years away

530
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,120
before we know that. What would that what would end up going with or would that money go?

531
00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:38,700
That would be on the hard discretion.

532
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,140
Back in the general fund and I would I would put it in the road maintenance.

533
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,580
Road maintenance. Okay, but that's our discretion says.

534
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:50,680
Okay. Lance anything. All right, so we need a motion on us.

535
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,280
If you like. I do like that idea. Okay, I'll take a motion.

536
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:59,380
So we're going to do it by percentages, so the far truck cover will be cheap if you go with them.

537
00:38:00,420 --> 00:38:08,800
Okay, far truck cover, it's 50%, the front load, the road maintenance at 25%, and the case you've lost it at 25%, 100%, I'll take a motion please.

538
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:21,280
I'll make a motion that with any budget surplus we have this year, that 50% is dedicated to the acquisition of a fire vehicle.

539
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:31,720
that 25% is dedicated to the road making this fund and that 25% is dedicated to potential legal fees.

540
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:33,500
All right. I have a motion to that second, please.

541
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:34,080
That's second.

542
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,480
I motion a second.

543
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:36,460
Please vote.

544
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,060
I'm sorry, any more discussion?

545
00:38:38,420 --> 00:38:38,840
I apologize.

546
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:39,980
Okay, please vote.

547
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:43,960
I know I'm learning.

548
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,160
I'm going to hand you in the minute.

549
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:48,960
Motion passes 6 to 0.

550
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,700
Thank you, Mark.

551
00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:52,040
Next, please.

552
00:38:53,820 --> 00:39:07,000
Agenda item 60, discuss, consider and take any necessary action regarding ordinance number O2024-040 calling a bond election to be held on November 5th, 2024 for Public Safety Facilities and Equipment.

553
00:39:07,260 --> 00:39:11,840
Chief is that your Michael, who is going to, Chief is going to be primary now.

554
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,820
I heard the rumor that you were in the primary time, Chief.

555
00:39:21,420 --> 00:39:34,520
I'm going to give

556
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:45,280
a little bit of an overview of some of the things that we've been doing and then kind of hone in on a few of the things that we talked about specifically.

557
00:39:46,220 --> 00:39:50,300
I am going to hand out a napkin drawing.

558
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:55,980
It's also in our presentation here, but I want to.

559
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,680
Okay, so this

560
00:40:36,850 --> 00:40:39,230
is what I did, and you guys can look over that,

561
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:41,410
but this is not an architect.

562
00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:46,410
And as you've probably plainly seen, but we'll go through some of this,

563
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:50,810
and then this handout that I gave you will kind of play into that.

564
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:55,350
So some of the ideas, I wanted to share with you some of the things

565
00:40:55,350 --> 00:41:05,730
that were in my head because I think maybe that will give you all a little bit of understanding

566
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:12,110
kind of where I'm at and to know that we're not trying to do, you know, a huge multi-story,

567
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:20,290
you know, 15-story building or anything with brass door knobs or things like that or whatever.

568
00:41:20,610 --> 00:41:25,070
So that this is something that's a modest building that we're looking at, but something

569
00:41:25,070 --> 00:41:27,850
in that our city can be proud of and then we can function in.

570
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:31,810
This first picture that I have is kind of one

571
00:41:31,810 --> 00:41:33,330
of my more favorites.

572
00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:36,430
Now I don't like the entrance off to the side

573
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:38,870
if that was placed directly in the middle

574
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:41,410
and entry door in the middle as what I've drawn

575
00:41:41,410 --> 00:41:43,490
and we'll see on the screen in a minute.

576
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:46,130
I think would be a little bit nicer.

577
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:50,770
Some other designs, I spend a lot of time

578
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:53,370
looking at a bunch of different buildings

579
00:41:53,370 --> 00:41:54,370
all around the country.

580
00:41:54,370 --> 00:42:08,950
and what I felt like would fit for us and so there's all these different concepts and so we have to look for what is best for fate and our operations.

581
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:22,770
This building here, I put this one on here specifically, this is Prosper, Prosper built this facility and I believe the square footage was

582
00:42:22,770 --> 00:42:27,590
was 25,000 square foot, and they announced it to the public.

583
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:29,490
They built it for the future.

584
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:31,010
They outgrew it in two years.

585
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:34,850
Of course, we know prosperous, a little faster growing than we are,

586
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:38,470
but it was kind of interesting in talking to the architect,

587
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:42,810
the design miss, and he was talking about their fast growth

588
00:42:42,810 --> 00:42:47,210
and the projections that they had, and they missed it completely.

589
00:42:47,770 --> 00:42:50,710
And now they have people that are sharing offices

590
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:55,750
and converting other spaces, workspaces into a place for their personnel.

591
00:42:56,270 --> 00:43:00,670
So that's one of the things that we're trying not to do, try not to over build, but try

592
00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:02,310
not to under build something as well.

593
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:08,930
And so here is floor one of a two story facility.

594
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:17,550
Now I want to give you a little bit of insight of how I come up with this, or how I drew

595
00:43:17,550 --> 00:43:22,690
this because you can tell I didn't draw this by hand because I tried that. I started off with a ruler

596
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:32,710
and a pencil and I'm not an artist. So what I did is I got 15 floor plans from various police

597
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:40,010
facilities and I went into my wife's craft room and using her scissors, glue, and paper,

598
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:46,610
I created this and here's all the different colors of the floor plan of the different facilities

599
00:43:46,610 --> 00:43:51,330
And so, and then after that, that's why it's in black and white because I didn't want

600
00:43:51,330 --> 00:43:53,470
you to see all these crazy colors.

601
00:43:54,310 --> 00:44:03,670
So floor first floor is patrol property evidence, physical fitness, and also on this a thing

602
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:13,130
that talking a few other agencies is a forensic or an evidence garage, plays two purposes.

603
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:19,610
one that we can bring a vehicle in that was involved in a crime and we can fingerprint

604
00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:26,090
that secure it all the things that we may need to do with that vehicle and also that

605
00:44:26,090 --> 00:44:31,090
we can put a vehicle in there and have access directly to our property evidence room

606
00:44:31,090 --> 00:44:40,090
so that when we take things for destruction or to narcotics facilities for lab testing that

607
00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:42,810
that we don't have to exit the building

608
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:44,710
and anything happening to this stuff,

609
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:45,970
it's more secure.

610
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:49,230
And so that's one of the things that that was done.

611
00:44:52,310 --> 00:44:57,010
Second floor, administration, investigations,

612
00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:59,270
some training.

613
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,720
We have a room, a couple extra interview rooms. You probably saw some interview rooms down in the first floor as well for patrol to use. But this one is a little more secure interviews and for the detectives. It has a quartermaster area, restrooms, no actual locker rooms up here, but restrooms and things for the training room. So we can post trainings of our own personnel as well as outside

614
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,700
agencies can come to us and we can host training because a lot of times when we

615
00:45:35,700 --> 00:45:41,540
host training we get free spots for that if we give some of these places a

616
00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:45,820
place to train. And so that's one of the targets that we're wanting to do is

617
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:51,380
offer some of that training and bring things to us instead of us going various

618
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:51,840
places.

619
00:45:54,380 --> 00:46:02,860
And then going on further is a few other just visual ideas of like a

620
00:46:02,860 --> 00:46:11,280
lobby area, secured lobby, lockers for the locker room in June. A evidence

621
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,740
prep room with the evidence lockers that would be for temporary storage. Most

622
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:22,280
Because those of y'all that toured our facilities and saw we have these little elementary school

623
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,940
lockers that we lock our evidence in for our evidence technician to come get.

624
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:28,920
This is the professional way.

625
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:42,160
And then our permanent evidence storage in rolling bins that they can minimum space and those

626
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,980
can all roll together so that those can take up a lot less space.

627
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:49,420
So you don't have to have oles in between each one.

628
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,900
And then on this bond also, we've talked about two apparatus.

629
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:03,880
We've worked with the, what we just passed was spending some of our extra money for the

630
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,220
engine.

631
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,600
This would be reduced down to a ladder truck that would be ordered and so there would be one

632
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,740
apparatus on this bond and that's how we've got to bring this number down.

633
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:21,480
Re-mon on the south side, and there was one item that I did forget when we were talking

634
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:26,640
is I'll remodel on the current station in some of those areas, but that would also

635
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:34,880
be included in this bond, is to take our current facility that we are using office space

636
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:41,280
and things, parts of the fire station, and return those back to fire duties that the police

637
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,100
are currently using.

638
00:47:44,020 --> 00:47:51,170
And then here's Raju or Michael's first and I'll say the question.

639
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:04,340
Yeah, whatever chief talked about the capital items, we took that concept translated into

640
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,620
dollars and tax rates.

641
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:07,620
These are the takeaways.

642
00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:19,670
20 year geo bonds at the 5%, it will cost about 80,555 dollars for each million dollars.

643
00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:26,810
And that is not due under the first payment will be due in FY 26.

644
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:40,110
We estimated the home value, FY 25 is 349, be estimated for FY 26, this is going to

645
00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:42,890
be 370,000, 247.

646
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:49,310
And the same way we estimated the taxable value,

647
00:48:49,390 --> 00:48:54,210
assess value, right now, we have 3.2.

648
00:48:54,570 --> 00:48:57,070
That is going to be $3.7 billion.

649
00:48:58,490 --> 00:49:04,210
That will translate into 4.3 cents in 2026.

650
00:49:07,450 --> 00:49:10,890
And the first year, that's going to be 1.6.

651
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:18,790
That is going to cost about $161 a year for an average homeowner.

652
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:24,190
Questions, Chief?

653
00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:29,470
Let's open up questions.

654
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:35,450
So based on the numbers that you're showing here, Raju, it looks like a $20 million bond

655
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:41,650
is over the 20 years is going to cost us around $32.2 million, including all the interest payments.

656
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:42,370
Yes.

657
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:44,390
There's a lot of money.

658
00:49:47,610 --> 00:49:56,330
Look at your floor plans, Chief, how big do you, and is this a 20,000-square-foot facility?

659
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:57,970
So not to scale?

660
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:58,730
I get it.

661
00:49:59,490 --> 00:50:02,450
But, yes, that's what's, what's designed to be.

662
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:03,990
So, here's the questions.

663
00:50:04,410 --> 00:50:12,350
And I'm looking at the seat placement in here, your patrol debriefing.

664
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:14,090
We have spots for 24 officers.

665
00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:17,650
Do you ever anticipate us having a shift change to 24?

666
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:18,090
Yes.

667
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:18,770
When?

668
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:25,950
So, if we have a full buildout, if we're at somewhere around 100 officers,

669
00:50:26,530 --> 00:50:34,450
you would be around 10 per shift plus supervisors and maybe any other visiting personnel?

670
00:50:34,450 --> 00:50:42,610
So you're saying then around 100 officers, two officers per 1,000 at a 50,000 population

671
00:50:42,610 --> 00:50:43,130
buildup?

672
00:50:43,850 --> 00:50:44,650
Yes, sir.

673
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:46,230
When is that anticipated?

674
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:53,230
Well, that depends completely on our growth if we're fully built out that we've talked

675
00:50:53,230 --> 00:50:55,370
about years of 20 years.

676
00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:58,650
We have a planning director in the audience, right?

677
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:00,530
You remember when the buildup is in the complex?

678
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:01,710
We'll build out.

679
00:51:01,710 --> 00:51:02,210
We

680
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,940
only know the projections up to 20 to 2040, which is what the 4-fake comprehensive plan showed and our population

681
00:51:14,940 --> 00:51:17,500
that bill that at that time was 54,000.

682
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,900
Do you think it's going to go more, it can't go more than that, can it?

683
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,800
Well, it can, yeah, and it depends on the land use decisions that are made in the-

684
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,500
So that would be a lot of extra multi-family stuff, right?

685
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:32,840
Or smaller residential lots as well, okay.

686
00:51:33,060 --> 00:51:34,780
Or we lose the battle in Austin, right?

687
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:39,300
We start losing the battle on us on when they start taking the defense statewide

688
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:39,820
zoning, right?

689
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:40,140
Sure.

690
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:40,540
Okay.

691
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:49,120
So the next thing, so then based on what you just projected, we should be at 56 officers

692
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:49,620
today.

693
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:53,140
That's one model, yes.

694
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,280
Well, that's the model you're proposing for.

695
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,400
Well, I can't remember for this.

696
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:59,820
I didn't necessarily.

697
00:52:00,180 --> 00:52:03,380
These are, this is just a napkin.

698
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:03,960
Sure.

699
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,300
I get it, but all these little chairs on there don't necessarily mean I have to be.

700
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:13,080
But I know, I do commercial construction, right?

701
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,600
And I know how big a 20,000 square foot facility is because I built them.

702
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:23,900
I've got a 15,000 square foot facility out in Greenville right at the present moment.

703
00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:25,760
I know how big that facility is.

704
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,040
But just based on what I'm seeing here,

705
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:36,980
that based on your model of two officers per thousand,

706
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,440
we should be at 56 officers.

707
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:42,000
And we're at what, 30 total?

708
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:42,560
32.

709
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:43,280
32.

710
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,480
So you're telling me that we are short by

711
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,360
18 officers.

712
00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:56,240
So I would say at the moment, not that short,

713
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:04,640
I would say that we could use more at the moment, but we also look at our call volumes.

714
00:53:05,450 --> 00:53:11,360
Our city's still pretty young and our guys are out there trying the hardest to keep

715
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,540
the crime rate down.

716
00:53:13,500 --> 00:53:19,380
And so obviously when you get more population and more two men calls and things like that,

717
00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:22,640
that we would have, yes, that could possibly happen.

718
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,960
I'm not questioning the performance of your officers at all.

719
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:37,440
What I am questioning in this facility, this large of a facility, is whether it's going to be used or not used.

720
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:41,640
And if it's going to take 15 years to use it all, right?

721
00:53:42,020 --> 00:53:47,720
I mean, because when I look at here, you've got just based on your napkin, right?

722
00:53:48,140 --> 00:53:52,620
Whether it's there or not, you've got room in here for 12 CIDs.

723
00:53:54,080 --> 00:54:01,500
detectives. We're ever going to have 12 detectives. Well, there also has spots for, you know,

724
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,480
maybe SRO come in, do some reports or things like, you know, maybe not. And that room that

725
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:15,540
is, again, not the scale to try to, you know, is the locker room the appropriate size. These are

726
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:21,480
things that I just printed and stuck them in here. Stuck them in there for placeholders to get

727
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:28,260
a visual? I would not an actor. I would sooner see like we went over last time. You guys

728
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:35,040
are administration is presently in about 25 to 2700 square feet total for everything.

729
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:43,780
That you guys have. And I certainly recognize and support the fact that you need to expand.

730
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,600
You need to have a better facility. I mean, you're anyways.

731
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,100
You're sitting on top of

732
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:55,600
each other, I'll put it to you that way in 2,200 square feet.

733
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:56,820
I recognize that fact.

734
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,480
I recognize the fact that you need extra equipment, pump trucks, that kind of stuff.

735
00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:04,260
I'm all for all of that.

736
00:55:04,780 --> 00:55:11,420
I recognize that you guys need that we need to do something on the south side.

737
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:16,160
I recognize the fact that we need to do something in the downtown station, right?

738
00:55:17,140 --> 00:55:19,040
That that remodel has to happen.

739
00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:21,040
The remodel on the south side has to happen.

740
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,820
But I just, I questioned the size of putting in a 20,000 square foot facility to be planned

741
00:55:28,820 --> 00:55:38,340
for on day one and built on day one for something that's not going to be used until 2045, right?

742
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,880
If we even get to that size.

743
00:55:40,340 --> 00:55:45,300
The question that I would propose is, why would we not build something

744
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:49,940
12,000 square feet,

745
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:55,920
which is four or four and a half times what you guys are presently in with the option

746
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,960
to expand that, another 8,000 square feet to get you to a total of 20,000 square feet

747
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:11,020
facility in a future year, five years, bringing the bond down to around $16 million.

748
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,540
If I run through what I know from a construction perspective and all that kind of stuff,

749
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:46,340
But you could probably do it well for $16 million and then come back at a later date to do an expansion in 10 years where you need to buy property for another location on the west side if we need to and then lower the debt cost and then not burn up all of our debt capacity because $20 million on this will eat up our debt capacity probably for three to five years.

750
00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:53,490
It's pretty, what do you think, it's pretty good guess?

751
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:57,750
Three to five years, debt, and then we've got road work that has to happen.

752
00:56:57,950 --> 00:57:06,310
We may have to do more bonds on the, I mean, I think that, that shooting this all in one big $20

753
00:57:06,310 --> 00:57:16,710
million bond at 433 cents, 4.33 cents, I think that if we, we staged it,

754
00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:23,150
Made it a little bit smaller on a concept, put in the things that you need,

755
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:29,310
and drop the tax rate by a penny.

756
00:57:31,410 --> 00:57:40,730
Not burn up all of our debt capacity will be a lot more prudent than going for the whole thing right at once.

757
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:43,730
Thank you, Mark.

758
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:51,840
Thank you, Chief.

759
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:58,100
plan, and I'm looking right at it on the fake policy manual, compressed says, we need

760
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:05,260
to make room for 19,410 new residential units to accommodate projected population growth.

761
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:11,000
This sounds to me, this is a problem that the sticker shock probably should have been

762
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:17,080
several years ago when the council approved a lot of the multi-family, maybe even some

763
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:17,900
of the single families.

764
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:21,560
This is the chicken's coming home to roost.

765
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,140
This is something that I think DPS didn't lay this problem at our door.

766
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,640
We laid it at theirs.

767
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:36,440
I went by the DPS office again today at several people's requests and I went by and looked

768
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:36,780
at it.

769
00:58:36,940 --> 00:58:40,420
I have toured it before and I answered their questions.

770
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:47,540
They're actually pretty shocked at how small that our police officers are having to go work

771
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:54,040
in the compact area. I mean, the caution probably should have been years ago. And every

772
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,060
time that we think we get a large project here that we think is, you know, is going

773
00:58:58,060 --> 00:59:01,920
to be so great and so wonderful. We need to think what that's going to do to our roads,

774
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,740
what that's going to do to our resources, what kind of pressure that's going to put on

775
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:06,700
DPS and fire.

776
00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:16,440
I don't think it's an unreasonable number. I've called around to other fire and

777
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,360
and police departments, they think this is pretty in line with what it is.

778
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:26,780
Trying to do it pieces at a time, maybe just taking the can down the road and

779
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,420
cost are going to go higher and inflation is going to go higher.

780
00:59:30,700 --> 00:59:35,060
So like I say, I think when we approve projects, we need to think literally a lot further down

781
00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:36,540
the road than what we're doing.

782
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,000
That's my opinion.

783
00:59:45,530 --> 00:59:48,250
By the way, I got several compliments to take about the chief

784
00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:53,750
and I actually did find out today and I know he picked on his wall. He was the

785
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:59,090
DPS officer of the year and I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He answered

786
00:59:59,090 --> 00:59:59,750
for everything applied.

787
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:16,000
And I had the day about it very, very intelligently and very, very thorough, even to a lay person who's not a law enforcement. And I don't think any of us up here are. So, I value his expertise. And that's, that's my piece. Thank you. Scott.

788
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:45,950
Roger, on the debt service piece you've got the initial year impact at 4.3 cents, but I assume that's going to be reduced as property values increase with what we know we've got on the pipeline and that's dependent on understand on the commercial pieces being built out at Lafayette Crossing.

789
01:00:45,950 --> 01:00:53,670
What we know, we've gotten a pipeline, at what point would you estimate that we would have another

790
01:00:55,150 --> 01:01:00,670
capacity to issue another $5-10 million in bonds for road, whatever may come up?

791
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:06,550
I know you said three to five years, but does that get us to another $5-10 million?

792
01:01:07,070 --> 01:01:07,830
What does that look like?

793
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:15,490
Yeah, I was talking to Tony about it, she is more qualified to answer that question, she's from the Hiltab.

794
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,420
Hi, good evening, members of the council, Mayor.

795
01:01:23,740 --> 01:01:26,980
My name is Tonya Askins, I'm with Hiltab's supervisors.

796
01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:33,280
So we actually have run this scenario as kind of a built looking at into the future.

797
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,300
And you could actually do double that kind of going forward.

798
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:41,380
Depending on growth, stable growth, managing the tax rate.

799
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:45,480
And we'll just had a conversation about what to do with the extra general fund revenues.

800
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:49,380
So in the future, you could even use, you can even pay that debt down.

801
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,360
So there is capacity, it's just a matter of how you manage.

802
01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:57,240
And also the 20 million doesn't have to all be spent.

803
01:01:57,380 --> 01:01:59,080
You can authorize it, but spend less.

804
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:01,360
So just two pieces, it helps.

805
01:02:01,820 --> 01:02:02,460
Perfect, thank you.

806
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,240
And she feel like comment I would make about your renderings and I appreciate the work you put into it.

807
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:13,120
But I certainly hope you're going to let an architect and space designer.

808
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:13,640
No, no.

809
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:18,260
Does that fall under the other duties as assigned?

810
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,040
All right.

811
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:21,700
Thanks for getting all the information together.

812
01:02:21,740 --> 01:02:22,860
The same thing in all this.

813
01:02:23,220 --> 01:02:24,340
Then you have a question on the answer.

814
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:24,800
Okay.

815
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,160
So the question I asked while I go, I guess, at the appropriate time since it was mentioned

816
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:29,560
anyway.

817
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:35,740
So if we take the property out, was that property going to be the primary location

818
01:02:35,740 --> 01:02:41,480
Were you wanted to build it, or was that for a future, so could be?

819
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:49,480
But so the primary location that I was thinking of was Tony Lane, it could have been there.

820
01:02:49,920 --> 01:03:03,100
Michael and I have thrown around several scenarios, but that could have been a location because it's got good access everywhere for a police facility.

821
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,880
police facilities don't necessarily need to be in the center of town or anything.

822
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:12,040
It's, you know, you distribute your personnel out and you're pretty good.

823
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:18,240
But that was, but my thought, my personal opinion was done anyway.

824
01:03:18,820 --> 01:03:23,280
Okay, all right, because I just want to make sure that wasn't where you had planned on building this thing.

825
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,700
And then we say, no, take that out.

826
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,360
For the South Side Station, I think I said this last time as well.

827
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:39,080
So that's $1.5 million that we are in some point in the future going to try to spend that by the time we are able to do it, it's probably going to be more money than 1.5 million.

828
01:03:44,790 --> 01:03:52,370
What is the immediate need for the South, I mean I live on the South Side, I want to station on the South Side, but what is the immediate need for the South Side?

829
01:03:52,390 --> 01:03:58,030
Is that something that we could do without for a few years, is that so that's hard to say.

830
01:03:58,030 --> 01:04:03,790
The immediate need for our fire services is another crew.

831
01:04:04,890 --> 01:04:11,970
When multiple times a week, almost every day, we have multiple calls at a time.

832
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:14,190
They did it twice today.

833
01:04:15,350 --> 01:04:23,830
And so that's one of my fears is if you're tied up, then our next city will definitely come

834
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:27,510
and help us if they're available, but that's more road miles and more time.

835
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:35,410
And so we're trying to diversify our fire crews and this is a method to do that.

836
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:41,230
The second factor of that is, as here very soon, we're going to see more road barricades

837
01:04:41,230 --> 01:04:46,930
and things for the I-30 expansion and make it more difficult for us to move around.

838
01:04:49,050 --> 01:04:57,530
They've tried to reassure us that the bridge going underneath I-30 at 5.81 will never be completely closed.

839
01:05:00,170 --> 01:05:02,750
I've lived in Texas all my life, I know that's not what I'm interested in.

840
01:05:02,790 --> 01:05:07,870
Yeah, so, okay, even if it's for an hour, that's too much to, to again.

841
01:05:08,070 --> 01:05:15,710
So, I haven't seen that building and so is there any way to get it so that we could put a fire crew in it

842
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:18,090
Without a 1.5 million dollar upgrade.

843
01:05:18,850 --> 01:05:21,430
There is a smaller version.

844
01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:26,450
However, we can outfit that building.

845
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:30,990
It probably takes a couple of weeks to get a few amenities put in there, put a crew there.

846
01:05:31,710 --> 01:05:32,570
But I also need a crew.

847
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:39,330
And so a lot of these things that we're presenting, we're trying to do one step at a time.

848
01:05:39,830 --> 01:05:42,070
And so that we can start building our crews.

849
01:05:42,070 --> 01:05:47,990
And then in a couple years, when that facility would be ready, we would have the personnel.

850
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:53,510
Now, that's all up to y'all in budget, because, sure, we can say, hey,

851
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:57,750
let's add six more people, and I'll have you accrue there tomorrow.

852
01:05:58,270 --> 01:06:02,950
Because I'm on the fence about that one just because the fact that we know the road's going to change, right?

853
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:07,530
We know that that $1.5 million that we invest in there, even though we might get it back.

854
01:06:07,930 --> 01:06:11,270
If we don't have the people to put in the building, it's the chicken and

855
01:06:14,310 --> 01:06:19,790
And again, your drawing was great that I knew that was a scrapbooking deal because I've seen that before.

856
01:06:20,130 --> 01:06:31,370
But, and just one comment about kicking this down the road, I struggle with this every day knowing that I live in a neighborhood that does not have a mud, okay?

857
01:06:32,050 --> 01:06:39,390
My tax rate might be 0.26 cents, but my neighbors across the street, their tax rate is 1.01 dollars per hundred.

858
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:44,090
So, every time we raise the tax rate, we take the chance of putting people out of their home.

859
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:49,990
They're barely making it now, and these values are going to do nothing but increase more.

860
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:57,250
So, I just, I always want to be cognizant of the fact that, you know, we talk about this 26th cent tax rate.

861
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:59,950
That really isn't the burden on our public.

862
01:07:00,070 --> 01:07:02,750
It's more like a dollar per hundred.

863
01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:18,310
And so, as we sign off on $20 million, we need to make sure that every bit of that $20 million is worthwhile because, you know, that could potentially put someone out of their home, so that's all pretty.

864
01:07:19,950 --> 01:07:20,470
Hello.

865
01:07:22,570 --> 01:07:28,110
Talking to you at the police station a couple of weeks ago.

866
01:07:28,110 --> 01:07:37,070
So you had mentioned that veteran officers would come from other places and they were

867
01:07:37,070 --> 01:07:44,670
shocked at the workload that your officers have there and sometimes they don't make it

868
01:07:44,670 --> 01:07:49,490
because they're thinking they're just going to get a real quiet cushy little police job

869
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:56,530
and instead it's like constant calls and there's not a whole lot of downtime for your officers

870
01:07:56,530 --> 01:07:57,150
at all.

871
01:07:57,150 --> 01:07:59,070
Is that correct, I mean?

872
01:07:59,610 --> 01:08:07,790
That is correct, we've hired some officers from larger metropolitan cities, from here, from the Metroplex.

873
01:08:09,310 --> 01:08:20,370
And one of the first things we tell them is this is not a retirement gig, it is a nice quiet town by the work that's put in.

874
01:08:20,370 --> 01:08:30,430
And, you know, the 17,000 police calls that we run last year and the 2,000 fire calls that we ran are significant.

875
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:33,510
And that keeps our people busy.

876
01:08:34,430 --> 01:08:43,290
And so there are a lot, we've had serval officers that have come to us and then have left because of our workload.

877
01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:43,810
Right.

878
01:08:46,610 --> 01:09:01,910
Looking at Lance's point from earlier, I'm looking at, you know, the napkin and I don't see anything that could be taken out of this and he was proposing 8,000 square foot less.

879
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:05,750
What would that look like?

880
01:09:05,930 --> 01:09:08,110
What would a, what would have to go?

881
01:09:08,790 --> 01:09:09,710
What would have to?

882
01:09:09,790 --> 01:09:12,270
Who would suffer and what would have to go in order for that?

883
01:09:12,770 --> 01:09:19,290
You know, we would have to shrink down several of the places, some of the detectives offices,

884
01:09:19,550 --> 01:09:23,530
some of the locker rooms, some of the training room, various things like that.

885
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:28,110
My concern with that is, is cost don't go down.

886
01:09:28,430 --> 01:09:28,690
Right.

887
01:09:30,310 --> 01:09:35,010
And some days, somebody's going to go, why do we have to do this now?

888
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:41,670
It's going to cost $X more to add to it now, and why didn't we do it in the beginning?

889
01:09:42,170 --> 01:09:51,470
You know, for example, this billion, if we had to replace this, at today's dollars would be way different than it was in 13 or 14 when it was built.

890
01:09:51,690 --> 01:09:51,990
Sure.

891
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:57,350
So those numbers, you know, we don't get to see that go backwards.

892
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:57,970
Correct.

893
01:09:57,970 --> 01:10:07,330
And if we did that, he proposed, I think he said 16 million is roughly what you thought.

894
01:10:07,770 --> 01:10:15,030
So it's a difference of 4 million and we're getting an extra 8,000 square foot out of the deal.

895
01:10:15,790 --> 01:10:22,590
And like the lady said over there, if we don't use all of the 20 million bond, we don't have to.

896
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:42,830
I think I'm in full support of a 20,000 square foot building, I think that it is absolutely needed, especially looking at the comp plan and knowing that we are going to double in size between now and 2040, 2040, 2040,

897
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:46,870
So, I absolutely know that it is necessary.

898
01:10:48,650 --> 01:10:56,510
Also, the only thing that I keep bringing up that I don't think I have much support on,

899
01:10:56,630 --> 01:11:01,450
but is I would really like to move away from the fire station being in downtown.

900
01:11:01,950 --> 01:11:10,050
And I don't know if it's possible for us to somehow make the south station the main one with the trucks,

901
01:11:10,050 --> 01:11:38,830
rather and have maybe do administrative stuff in downtown so that we're not having to have that you know logistical issue when the fire trucks are leaving out in the middle of traffic or you know it's not being able to shoot the roadways when we have festivals down there but in my opinion that is that's a problem and I wish we could figure out a way to move away from having fire trucks in downtown you know.

902
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:40,190
No, so those are my thoughts.

903
01:11:41,130 --> 01:11:42,850
All right, the couple, thank you for doing this chief.

904
01:11:42,970 --> 01:11:43,270
Nice job.

905
01:11:44,610 --> 01:11:47,650
A couple things, how big is Royce City's new police department?

906
01:11:48,430 --> 01:11:48,590
Building?

907
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:51,430
28,000 square foot.

908
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:53,610
And how big is their new fire department?

909
01:11:53,650 --> 01:11:55,490
We're about the two are in two days, that's where it is.

910
01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:57,550
So that's the police building.

911
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:59,990
I know, the two do building right there.

912
01:12:00,090 --> 01:12:00,950
Police are in their fire department.

913
01:12:00,990 --> 01:12:05,350
Well, they built a fire station two years ago, yeah.

914
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:06,050
And how big was that?

915
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:09,790
And it's, I'm not sure if you're on the score for them.

916
01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:12,720
Yeah, something like that.

917
01:12:12,780 --> 01:12:13,300
All right.

918
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:15,600
Right, so this is the way I'm thinking about this, right?

919
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:17,400
I understand that the capacity issue,

920
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:18,620
and I think you do too chief, right?

921
01:12:18,780 --> 01:12:20,160
We need a road fix too, right, huh?

922
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,560
And you historically said it's a public safety issue

923
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,580
for you to have good roads get there.

924
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,440
So I think, Resu, I want to make sure I understand the,

925
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,360
so in four or five years, we could run a family

926
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:36,180
into our road bond, or suddenly in our road bond,

927
01:12:36,180 --> 01:12:39,760
and keep our AA at the S&P rating, correct?

928
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,640
Is that, again, it's worth.

929
01:12:41,940 --> 01:12:44,700
So we have some deck capacity based on future growth, right?

930
01:12:46,420 --> 01:12:47,260
Yes, I'm here.

931
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:47,600
Okay.

932
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:55,040
You're definitely better tax rates than I am so.

933
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,680
But there's a possibility given our growth and our sales tax growth.

934
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,280
We don't have to increase the tax rate by four cents.

935
01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:04,220
We can spread that out of a period of time.

936
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:07,880
depends on our sales tax growth and our residential growth, correct?

937
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:08,880
Yeah.

938
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:14,880
If that could be one, drag any four cents one, one, two thousand, this will 26, it won't be four cents.

939
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:19,680
It could be less than that, depending on the values and the sales tax.

940
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:29,620
If you look at the financial model, the first year 2026 is 4.3 cents, and that will decrease as a value of, you know.

941
01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:48,960
So, historically, when chief and you first, we increase the tax rate by officer, but he's like, what, down we find, so then we have come back down on the tax rights of a period of time, and we're just been the same thing that happened here, as we grow and give ourselves tax, that we can subsidize a property tax back down where we want to be.

942
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,300
And you know, and more residential types pay this down.

943
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,680
More tax rate could be buying off some of the debt.

944
01:13:56,340 --> 01:13:57,580
There's all kinds of options.

945
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:58,180
Oh, stop.

946
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,160
And so the first thing we do to the present day,

947
01:14:01,260 --> 01:14:03,460
is you talk about de-nexation and exations,

948
01:14:03,460 --> 01:14:05,660
all that stopping Austin, right?

949
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,220
Does this take an account down?

950
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:08,900
I don't know, historically, you have taken account that.

951
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,300
Well, so there could possibly be some areas

952
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:18,860
that if de-nex would not be police service anymore,

953
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,600
They still would be in our fire district, so that's a different thing.

954
01:14:23,860 --> 01:14:29,760
The police service, there would be some properties that may not, we may not be responsible

955
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:30,460
for any more.

956
01:14:30,980 --> 01:14:33,880
I don't know the exact land areas.

957
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:38,760
I know the locations, but I don't know how much land area or population.

958
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:42,920
I think so as the county's trying to figure this out, going forward, right, because they don't

959
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:43,540
know either, right?

960
01:14:43,540 --> 01:14:45,180
But there's a lot to talk about.

961
01:14:46,020 --> 01:14:49,040
I'm not having their own police departments now, right?

962
01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:51,080
Just talking about the private city concept.

963
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:55,300
Greater mud now, we'll say, well, you have to find your own police department,

964
01:14:55,460 --> 01:14:55,880
partner partners.

965
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,420
But you still do the mutual aid, right?

966
01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:59,400
We call it on that.

967
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,680
Okay. Yeah, there's some of these districts, they either contract with law enforcement or it's automatic. Maybe the sheriff's office and the county contract with fire services. They would definitely have to do that. So those, those things are also potential out in our county areas. And some cities have done already. I know one city and kind of has already done that the month. They've been charged a month per month per

968
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:56,160
So the way I think about this coming if I get wrong, so basically we're $20 million, I mean I understand the debt capacity argument, so I think it's a bit about debt capacity now we're not as strict as that value, but the way I think about is we're going to get basically three stations when brand new one, one downtown remodeled and one on the south side remodeled for $20 million, basically in three stations, that's what your needs for 10, 15 years.

969
01:15:56,160 --> 01:16:04,260
So that would, yes, just not really, but I like the way it sounds.

970
01:16:04,780 --> 01:16:05,600
I do too.

971
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:13,180
You know, because one of the things is, it was originally, it was originally proposed for

972
01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:16,780
a police fire, a combination building on the north side.

973
01:16:16,980 --> 01:16:17,120
Correct.

974
01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:20,340
And then that would eliminate the downtown area.

975
01:16:20,860 --> 01:16:21,240
That's 30.

976
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:21,700
That was 30.

977
01:16:21,700 --> 01:16:34,520
We're asked to reduce that, and then we come back with our biggest need, is a police facility, and then we can remodel the south side down to operate in fire stations and a police building.

978
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:40,540
And so we reduce that to that, this model currently is presented.

979
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:47,300
And so that's kind of where we're at now, we talk about future need, and we know there's our future growth.

980
01:16:47,480 --> 01:16:48,440
I mean, it's a crystal ball.

981
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:52,920
Well, and given Austin could do statewide zoning, we have no control over our

982
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:53,560
local control, right?

983
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:55,480
That would have a different problem for us, Lance.

984
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,560
I have a couple of follow-up questions for you, Chief.

985
01:16:59,180 --> 01:17:03,540
Of the 32 DPS officers you have now, how many of those are fired only?

986
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:05,400
Or does that not include the fire people?

987
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:07,500
No, so that's not included.

988
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:08,680
So that's not included?

989
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:17,880
So really, based on the budget at 18, at being 18 people short, you really should have an

990
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,880
operating budget of around $10 million right now, instead of the six.

991
01:17:22,460 --> 01:17:26,160
If our citizens committed the average amount of crime that they do, which they don't?

992
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,900
I'm just, you're throwing, you're using a national, a national number.

993
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,040
I'm going to use that to do the calculations.

994
01:17:34,220 --> 01:17:37,360
The chief's association has a different number than the manager's association.

995
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:38,400
So we're always fighting.

996
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:43,060
Well, all right, I think the chief numbers are probably better.

997
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:54,380
So, at 56 officers, you know, that's a $10 million budget, which is really worth $4 million in short.

998
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:56,240
Right, yes, sir?

999
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:03,680
And I get that, you know, I'm not saying that you don't need the stuff that you need.

1000
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,420
Because I've toured the same buildings as everybody else and tripped over the same things

1001
01:18:08,420 --> 01:18:15,460
that everybody else isn't looked at your armory and in your evidence room and all that

1002
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:19,220
kind of stuff. And I fully agree with, I fully agree that you need to have all this

1003
01:18:19,220 --> 01:18:24,400
stuff and that we should be putting in. But it really doesn't get us three stations.

1004
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:29,180
It still gets, we still have a fireside that we have to figure out what to do with, right?

1005
01:18:29,620 --> 01:18:35,400
So this is purely talking, talking police side. You still have fire people you have to fund

1006
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:42,620
on top of it. And the fire right now is at like $1.6 million for the proposed

1007
01:18:42,620 --> 01:18:47,520
budget, and you say you need another crew, and that crew is probably what, another

1008
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,120
six people?

1009
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:49,060
Yes, sir.

1010
01:18:50,060 --> 01:18:50,300
Right?

1011
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:58,880
So, you're almost going to double, really, on top of it, so you're at a $2 million

1012
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,780
fire budget on top of it, is really what you need today, not tomorrow, today, right?

1013
01:19:04,780 --> 01:19:12,800
And if we take this out out to 50,000 people, you know, you're looking at almost,

1014
01:19:13,060 --> 01:19:17,220
you should be running a $20 million police budget, and you probably need to be running

1015
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:20,900
at least a $4 to $6 million fire budget on top of it.

1016
01:19:21,300 --> 01:19:31,020
Plus the X3 equipment that you need in order to respond with those crews you got to add,

1017
01:19:31,260 --> 01:19:33,420
which means another fire station somewhere.

1018
01:19:33,420 --> 01:19:39,880
And that's where the public safety concept falls apart, right, where it falls apart.

1019
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:48,320
So, but I still think I think it's prudent to take smaller incremental steps and

1020
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:56,740
build it as you go versus building some big building that's going to sit partially empty for a number of years.

1021
01:19:56,740 --> 01:19:58,920
All right, the other mark.

1022
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:11,340
Okay, so what if you potentially built a larger building, yet made part of it a fire station for now.

1023
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,560
Eliminate the downtown station, sell that building off.

1024
01:20:17,700 --> 01:20:26,580
Over time, as we build the fire department up in staff, think about another station to build later on down the road and then remodel.

1025
01:20:26,580 --> 01:20:56,100
Well, what was the fire part of that into the larger and I'm just trying to think outside like how do we how do we get everything and get the station that because the station downtown is I have to agree with code like just seeing those guys leave out of there and by the way guys all those that are here we appreciate everything these are all numbers we still appreciate where you're at we want to make sure you got the right stuff so so to answer a question that was proposal number one.

1026
01:20:58,610 --> 01:21:06,970
So you would say instead of a 20 so if you made it 20,000 square foot, but you know we were originally at 25 right and we would share.

1027
01:21:08,350 --> 01:21:17,390
You'd add the base on and a small portion for living quarters because some of these areas could be shared locker rooms could be shared.

1028
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:22,130
training rooms can be shared, you know, reception areas can be shared.

1029
01:21:22,530 --> 01:21:24,110
There are some shareable space here.

1030
01:21:24,490 --> 01:21:24,510
Right.

1031
01:21:25,950 --> 01:21:33,130
And now, you know, it had to be better designed than crafty skills

1032
01:21:33,130 --> 01:21:38,170
if you added on later to still be able to share those at another point

1033
01:21:38,170 --> 01:21:40,590
if you were to build on something later.

1034
01:21:41,190 --> 01:21:45,990
But, you know, the extra bay room and a little bit of living quarters

1035
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:49,950
There's really what we were cutting off prior.

1036
01:21:50,990 --> 01:21:55,470
I guess what I'm trying to, I realize that the original ones like almost $30 million, right?

1037
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:58,850
Obviously we can't do that or we probably probably shouldn't do that.

1038
01:21:59,430 --> 01:22:03,610
But if we know we're going to grow into this building eventually, we're not going to be there for

1039
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:06,190
several years because obviously we don't have the staff to fill it.

1040
01:22:06,790 --> 01:22:15,690
Could we still build the building to be in the $20 million, get the people there, sell off the piece of property, pay back part of the debt with that property or use it for roads?

1041
01:22:15,690 --> 01:22:20,590
whatever. And then at that point as we get the staff over the next hour and

1042
01:22:20,590 --> 01:22:24,470
many years, we can afford to do that, then build a separate fire station,

1043
01:22:24,670 --> 01:22:29,630
convert that fire station to the test, your 20,000 square foot building into police department.

1044
01:22:31,690 --> 01:22:33,650
Okay, Matt. Okay. I'm not sure how.

1045
01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:41,370
Good. I don't, I don't, I don't know how because of the number that we're

1046
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:48,730
to get that extra facility, even if it's an empty building,

1047
01:22:49,650 --> 01:22:53,090
you know, it's still, you're gonna scrape some money off

1048
01:22:53,090 --> 01:22:55,190
the remodel of the downtown station, right?

1049
01:22:55,310 --> 01:22:56,330
That could be applied back then.

1050
01:22:57,070 --> 01:22:59,670
So again, I'm just trying to think outside the box.

1051
01:23:00,170 --> 01:23:04,310
I appreciate all the different things, different options.

1052
01:23:06,530 --> 01:23:15,930
So, I know you had mentioned there was a grant that you were applying for, for extra fire, was it just fire, was it police?

1053
01:23:16,510 --> 01:23:18,570
So, there's like for nine different.

1054
01:23:19,290 --> 01:23:21,230
We do, we go out for several grants.

1055
01:23:21,790 --> 01:23:26,910
We've had some police grants and we've done ballistic vests, body camera things like that.

1056
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:34,810
But there is a grant that we're eyeing in the future that when that comes up open with

1057
01:23:34,810 --> 01:23:42,650
discuss the staffing grant for personnel, it's a deescalating fund for a three-year period.

1058
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:45,910
There's also some of them are equipment grants.

1059
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:50,010
And so those are things that we're going to be looking at in the future.

1060
01:23:50,530 --> 01:23:50,730
Okay.

1061
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:54,630
How long would it take for the build out?

1062
01:23:54,630 --> 01:24:02,070
Do we have any numbers on that, like how long once the bond passes, because we're not talking about staffing right now, staff afield.

1063
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:08,510
So we have time to come up with that money, it's not like it's an immediate need, right?

1064
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:13,050
Just do we have any idea how long it takes once-

1065
01:24:13,050 --> 01:24:20,390
So I'm going to, my uneducated Steve might be able to do better, about six, eight months design.

1066
01:24:21,170 --> 01:24:21,350
Okay.

1067
01:24:21,690 --> 01:24:22,850
Year and a half to build.

1068
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:23,550
Okay.

1069
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:29,370
Okay, so we're talking over two years until that happens.

1070
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:29,670
Okay.

1071
01:24:34,730 --> 01:24:45,370
Could we not do 25,000 square feet and scrap the south side remodel and just hold on to that.

1072
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:50,690
I mean, we keep talking about how we don't need that right now and we can't staff it anyways.

1073
01:24:50,690 --> 01:24:58,350
And if we were to just leave that as it is and do 25,000, isn't a fire station cheaper than police?

1074
01:24:58,670 --> 01:25:06,150
Our goal tonight is not to design the building, our goal tonight is that we put the bond at and that the architecture of the work and come back to the polls.

1075
01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:14,530
The one thing that I probably didn't explain too well is our downtown station is pretty central.

1076
01:25:14,530 --> 01:25:20,150
And so, it works pretty well right now to cover all the areas with one crew.

1077
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:29,850
If we move that station to the north side, we would need a south side station because

1078
01:25:29,850 --> 01:25:32,070
of the distancing time trial.

1079
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:33,310
And we would need it immediately.

1080
01:25:33,630 --> 01:25:33,810
Yeah.

1081
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:42,210
And so, that's the strategy that we've been working on is how do we make this function

1082
01:25:42,210 --> 01:25:45,750
and then we were thinking about there's a barrier

1083
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:46,970
of the interstate between.

1084
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:48,990
And so we were concerned of that.

1085
01:25:50,530 --> 01:25:53,630
And that's where in the future of North Station

1086
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:57,350
and then in the more distant future, west side.

1087
01:25:57,850 --> 01:25:57,930
Right.

1088
01:25:58,570 --> 01:26:01,830
And so those are the things that are long-term goals,

1089
01:26:02,010 --> 01:26:03,110
are 20-year goals.

1090
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:08,930
And so each one of them has a placeholder in time.

1091
01:26:09,170 --> 01:26:09,450
That's right.

1092
01:26:09,650 --> 01:26:10,510
Yeah, I understand a little bit.

1093
01:26:10,510 --> 01:26:10,890
Thank you.

1094
01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:13,230
So we're playing a little strategy game.

1095
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:16,590
Yeah, okay, thank you Chief, appreciate it.

1096
01:26:16,590 --> 01:26:18,890
All right, I will take a motion, please.

1097
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:35,990
I'll make a motion that we prove ordinance number O2024-040, calling a bond election

1098
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:41,970
to be held November 5th, 2024, but I'd also like to limit that to a $16 million bond.

1099
01:26:41,970 --> 01:26:47,570
Okay, I have a motion for $16 million to have a second, okay?

1100
01:26:47,790 --> 01:26:50,570
Seeing none, motion felt like of a second.

1101
01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:51,730
I'll take a second motion, please.

1102
01:26:52,370 --> 01:27:05,990
I make a motion that we pass ordinance number 0, 2020-440, calling for a bond held on November 12th for public safety facilities and equipment not to exceed $20 million.

1103
01:27:06,670 --> 01:27:07,290
I have a motion,

1104
01:27:09,610 --> 01:27:12,190
sorry, November 5th.

1105
01:27:12,190 --> 01:27:13,310
I have a motion to our second.

1106
01:27:13,470 --> 01:27:13,610
Second.

1107
01:27:13,970 --> 01:27:14,910
I have a question, Michael.

1108
01:27:16,070 --> 01:27:17,030
I know the attorney is not here tonight.

1109
01:27:17,630 --> 01:27:23,830
So this is a public hearing, a bond for public, city facilities and equipment, not a police

1110
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:24,170
station.

1111
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:24,970
She is how we're doing.

1112
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:25,550
We're doing this.

1113
01:27:25,590 --> 01:27:25,930
We have.

1114
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:27,070
We can do fire, please.

1115
01:27:28,210 --> 01:27:29,810
Well, there's some fire facilities.

1116
01:27:30,150 --> 01:27:30,570
The remodel.

1117
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:31,070
Right.

1118
01:27:31,150 --> 01:27:31,450
That's what I'm saying.

1119
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:32,190
That's why we're doing that.

1120
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:32,770
Okay.

1121
01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:34,050
Okay.

1122
01:27:35,210 --> 01:27:36,410
I don't want to make sure.

1123
01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:38,490
Yeah.

1124
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:38,950
Okay.

1125
01:27:39,230 --> 01:27:39,870
We're covered.

1126
01:27:39,870 --> 01:27:45,230
We've talked about that with the attorney or whatever the block of any and we're doing it right legally all this stuff

1127
01:27:45,230 --> 01:27:51,010
No, you can't mix you know stuff can stuff that's completely like you can't just do like all there's leftover money

1128
01:27:51,010 --> 01:27:56,150
Let's do a park that has to be public and then Vicki my last question. I know you text me this as well

1129
01:27:56,150 --> 01:28:01,610
But we'll get all the stuff to Chris Lens tomorrow and they're and I'll sign all the stuff tonight to call the election right that is correct

1130
01:28:01,610 --> 01:28:06,510
We will let him know that we have voted and and what that consensus is and then Chris said

1131
01:28:06,510 --> 01:28:14,010
We'll provide me with a Spanish translation so I can get the ballot language to Chris Lynch at the elections office on August 19th.

1132
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:17,870
Okay, perfect. All right, any more discussion? All right, please vote and we

1133
01:28:23,980 --> 01:28:24,360
have them voted.

1134
01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:39,160
Motion passes 6 is there. I'll thank you. Appreciate it. Next, please.

1135
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:43,700
Agenda autumn 7 adjournment. I'll take a motion adjourn. I make a motion read, adjourn.

1136
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,540
Second, please vote.

1137
01:28:49,150 --> 01:28:51,450
Motion passes 6 is there. I'll thank you very much.