1 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:59,640 I want to August 20, 2026, Plan Commission Work Session for your County Plan Commission. At this moment, I turn it over to Ms. Meade. 2 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:15,360 Good morning. Good morning. We will go through our agenda review. This evening we will call to order at 630 p.m. You will then adopt the agenda. Then have approval of the minutes. Are there any comments on the July 16 minutes? 3 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,820 Okay, Gary, no, we'll move along. 4 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:21,560 There isn't a board of zoning appeal agenda to review. 5 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,440 You'll have Citizens' time. 6 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,240 And then we have two regular agenda items. 7 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:28,100 The first one is a resolution 8 00:05:28,100 --> 00:05:30,320 to initiate a zoning ordinance text amendment 9 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,120 to article three from more of five, six, 10 00:05:33,140 --> 00:05:36,420 and 15 related to family day homes. 11 00:05:36,420 --> 00:05:37,040 Ms. Lines. 12 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Welcome, Ms. Lines. 13 00:05:39,220 --> 00:05:39,560 Good morning. 14 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:40,820 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 15 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,060 And members of the commission. 16 00:05:43,180 --> 00:05:46,560 This agenda item is prompted by the passing of House Bill 17 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:52,460 2, 5, 8, 5, 8, 20, 26 for junior general assembly, and the focus of this bill is to make 18 00:05:52,460 --> 00:05:58,260 changes to terminology as it relates to childhood care and education, specifically family 19 00:05:58,260 --> 00:06:04,060 day home terminology. So family day home would be changed to home-based child care and 20 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:10,740 family day system is changed to home-based child care system. Approving this initiation would 21 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:14,940 allow staff to review the zoning ordinance and make necessary changes to be in compliance 22 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:18,920 with Richmond's changes. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions 23 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,800 or staff on this item? Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. Moving on. 24 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,660 The 3D Resolution to Initiate is uninorganized text amendment to Article 3, 25 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,560 Forward 6 and 15 related to data centers and other relevant definitions. 26 00:06:32,740 --> 00:06:35,520 Morning, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning to you as well. 27 00:06:35,940 --> 00:06:39,380 This sort of allows staff to begin working on a potential text amendments related to the 28 00:06:39,380 --> 00:06:44,780 use of data center definitions, data centers and related other definitions in the ordinance. 29 00:06:44,780 --> 00:06:48,260 as well to any accessory users, have the answer any questions? 30 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:49,180 Any questions? 31 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:54,400 Private utilities are going to be included in that effort? 32 00:06:56,340 --> 00:06:57,780 It could be. 33 00:06:57,820 --> 00:06:59,280 It's not the cycle related process. 34 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:00,440 They should be. 35 00:07:02,260 --> 00:07:04,880 It is not an accessory used to a data center. 36 00:07:06,220 --> 00:07:11,680 So, I will move that that be amended to include 37 00:07:13,780 --> 00:07:20,300 analysis of what we need to be thinking about if somebody proposes a private utility 38 00:07:20,300 --> 00:07:22,900 in Falker County, in whatever connection. 39 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,340 I have this point. 40 00:07:25,860 --> 00:07:27,280 You have a motion on the floor? 41 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:33,060 Well, else here, what Adam has to say about it, and then he might improve on the motion. 42 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:39,080 I'm just not prepared to say that we've covered all of the articles and locations in the zoning ordinance. 43 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Okay. 44 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:45,360 So what I would suggest is that we, this was directed by the board to the fast track, 45 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,240 so that we move on with that and then follow with the private utilities if necessary. 46 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:58,640 I would like it if when it goes, the board directed this and then we need to send it back to the board to ask them to implement it. 47 00:07:59,020 --> 00:08:01,340 No, essentially what we could do is initiate a separate. 48 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,500 Okay, so we can initiate that because they have, right? 49 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,180 I need to understand the process. 50 00:08:08,180 --> 00:08:18,920 What I would like us to know that in the process of looking at this, we're not completely looking at data centers unless we look at private utilities, and y'all have heard me say that 3,000 times. 51 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,640 Yeah, I can, I may be looking chat afterwards. 52 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,100 Great. 53 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,360 I would suggest leaving this one alone. 54 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:27,800 When we revisit private utilities at a separate amendment, if necessary. 55 00:08:28,900 --> 00:08:33,880 I have one question under public interest of health safety and welfare of the citizens. 56 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:41,640 Does that include, will this look at water usage, water discharge systems, will that encompass 57 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:48,040 it under health or welfare for data centers? 58 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,280 I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to. 59 00:08:53,720 --> 00:09:01,020 Well, that's kind of, I think, I think, you know, fuel gas-fired generators and that kind 60 00:09:01,020 --> 00:09:05,580 also have pollution. Those are health and health and welfare issues. 61 00:09:05,940 --> 00:09:11,140 Yeah, Article 6 is the accessory uses. That's an initiated, potentially covered that way. 62 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:15,580 The accessory uses data centers. Okay. The definition would could cover 63 00:09:17,940 --> 00:09:20,880 cooling if that's what we're referring to. Yeah. When we currently say, 64 00:09:20,980 --> 00:09:25,880 you have to have these recycled water. I think that has been so much 65 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:32,900 using to the industry because we're cycle water typically has some men that reuse, like 66 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:38,660 from a purple pipe, from coming off of treatment plant, and we don't really have that 67 00:09:38,660 --> 00:09:39,300 in bulk here. 68 00:09:40,140 --> 00:09:44,020 So it has been tripled by the zoning ministry, or just basically being not potable or groundwater. 69 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:44,540 Okay. 70 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,560 Closed lip systems being acceptable. 71 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:54,740 So we could clarify that a little better in the definitions, and then we'll start. 72 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:55,320 Okay. 73 00:09:58,060 --> 00:09:59,880 I'm still concerned about the issue. 74 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,660 If use of water or use of electricity, all of that is an accessory use? 75 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:11,460 Well, could I suggest that we initiate it? Let us produce something forward to you all. 76 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,540 If we don't have it right, we keep working. 77 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Sure. 78 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,200 Because this is the initiation. 79 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,680 We haven't done that level. Now, I don't suspect this will be back in September. 80 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,340 we're probably more work to get to ready in October. 81 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:34,460 If we learn through that process that we need to initiate other sections of the code, 82 00:10:34,940 --> 00:10:35,900 we can bring that to you. 83 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,380 And September is like, hey, we just get something we need to be initiated. 84 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:40,400 We have done that in past efforts. 85 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,020 And we could then do that without needing to go back through the board. 86 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:47,100 So the advisors get to get permission for you to work on that. 87 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,180 Yeah, we're asking you to give the permission. 88 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:52,280 So we don't need to, the boards aware of this amendment. 89 00:10:52,340 --> 00:10:52,940 All right. 90 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:58,060 But in the interest of time, because they didn't have a August immediately, they have suggested that. 91 00:10:58,860 --> 00:11:01,020 But the board initiated this amendment. 92 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:03,020 No, you all are being asked to initiate it. 93 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,380 The board is aware and has directed staff to see if you all would be willing to initiate it this evening. 94 00:11:10,940 --> 00:11:11,180 Okay. 95 00:11:11,540 --> 00:11:14,500 And this is just the vote to initiate it. 96 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:14,860 Correct. 97 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,160 Correct. 98 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,720 We are going to have a document to approve. 99 00:11:17,860 --> 00:11:20,120 No, there is a resolution to says. 100 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,340 This study says staff start working and we will then start working. 101 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,560 We don't have anything to add to it. 102 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,100 There's something there's some ideas floating around in our heads, but beyond that, nothing's 103 00:11:31,100 --> 00:11:31,640 on paper. 104 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,800 We're aware of some of the concerns that the mission has had or where some of the concerns 105 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,940 of the community has had, where the concerns of the Board has shared. 106 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:43,940 So we have to take all that from the right into a proposal, bring it back to you all. 107 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,360 If you don't have it right, we can either initiate other's articles of the ordinance or 108 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,160 sections of the order of the specific or key for working on fighting in the language. 109 00:11:53,880 --> 00:12:01,600 Okay, Mr. Chairman, if I may, I'll move that we approve this on the condition that it includes a hard good look at private utilities. 110 00:12:01,780 --> 00:12:03,200 Yeah, you don't need to make a question. 111 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,320 Just tell us you understand that, but okay. 112 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,740 But in terms of closing out, it's hard to come up. 113 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:12,140 Okay, but just, and please correct me, Adam, if I'm wrong. 114 00:12:12,700 --> 00:12:16,160 But on one of the initiation, they come into our regular agenda items. 115 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,060 If it were something that we were looking at, that would be on public hearing. 116 00:12:21,420 --> 00:12:21,860 That's correct. 117 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:22,880 Let's say Code Requires. 118 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,460 Thank you. 119 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:24,220 Thank you. 120 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:25,160 Thank you. 121 00:12:28,830 --> 00:12:29,150 Okay. 122 00:12:29,310 --> 00:12:32,930 That will then take you to your public hearings this evening, which you have to. 123 00:12:33,230 --> 00:12:39,790 The first one is the zoning ordinance text amendment to articles 4, 11, 14 and 15. 124 00:12:39,890 --> 00:12:42,670 Related to boards, commissions, and committees. 125 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:53,180 In February of 2025, the Board of Supervisors initiated this text amendment in May of 15, 126 00:12:53,540 --> 00:12:56,960 May 15, 2025, the Planning Commission held a public hearing. 127 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,620 You left that public hearing open. 128 00:13:00,620 --> 00:13:02,200 There were two speakers in opposition. 129 00:13:02,980 --> 00:13:07,120 Essentially, staff was asked to evaluate various boards, commissions, and committees, 130 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,100 and their roles as defined in the zoning ordinance. 131 00:13:10,100 --> 00:13:20,900 staff was asked to propose eliminating any of these groups which are not required under the code of Virginia or are not currently providing the defined role which is required by the zoning ordinance. 132 00:13:21,260 --> 00:13:30,180 Following review, the proposed amendment removes references to the architectural review board and reassigns those responsibilities to community development staff. 133 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:36,840 And that Falker County does not have any locally designated historic districts were not required to have an ARB. 134 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:43,260 The proposed transfer of responsibilities could be temporary until such time that a historic 135 00:13:43,260 --> 00:13:49,380 area district were to be proposed. Further, in the future, the Board of Supervisors wishes 136 00:13:49,380 --> 00:13:54,800 to establish a citizen advisory committee, which is focused on preservation or something similar. 137 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,340 They certainly could do so under their own guidelines providing a unique mission with adoption 138 00:14:00,340 --> 00:14:08,400 of a resolution and in fact that has been discussed but this testimony essentially just removes 139 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,600 it from the ordinance there's been no changes since the May draft I'm happy to answer 140 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:22,610 any questions any questions staff what's the opportunity caused of just keeping it as 141 00:14:22,610 --> 00:14:29,110 a deal as well we continue to think about it how much how much staff times it is the ARB's 142 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:31,470 systems demanding right now. 143 00:14:32,130 --> 00:14:35,630 I think it is, you know, several hours a month, they do meet monthly. 144 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:42,390 This direction is coming from the board, so we are asking for action, so we'll ask that 145 00:14:42,390 --> 00:14:49,010 you either make a motion to recommend a approval or it's mine, or table in it, that's another 146 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:49,350 option. 147 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:50,330 That's why. 148 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:51,830 That was just my question. 149 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:52,570 Yes. 150 00:14:52,810 --> 00:14:56,490 I do think that there's a little bit more thought. 151 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:59,570 There has been quite a bit of discussion at the board level. 152 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,340 And we think that they are the ones that have asked us to re-engage this spring. 153 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,380 Yeah, I've been on the ARB as a planned commission. 154 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:14,440 Lea is on, I guess, for since Bob got offices, then I think you're going to ask. 155 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:16,580 And that committee does a lot of good work. 156 00:15:16,900 --> 00:15:23,300 If you look at the letters that came in, you can see a list of all the stuff that gets done like that group. 157 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,000 So I definitely recommend that. 158 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:39,080 I'm okay with this, getting it out of the zoning ordinance, the ARB, but at the same time I want to suggest that I'll make the B, I'll be glad to make the motion tonight. 159 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:55,980 That we, at the same time, is that that happens, that they re-appoint the cultural characteristics of the advisory committee that will do the same work and then the language would have to be updated and to what exactly with this. 160 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:05,480 Committee does, but I don't want to get rid of the error of being without that, having 161 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,760 it basically at the same time. 162 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,860 And you could certainly include that in your motion, and we have a pass that along 163 00:16:10,860 --> 00:16:11,340 to the board. 164 00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:13,920 Any other discussion? 165 00:16:15,220 --> 00:16:16,120 Hearing none, living on. 166 00:16:16,420 --> 00:16:18,760 Okay, that brings us to the final public hearing item. 167 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,240 This evening, rezoning amendment related to Mint Rock, Mr. Schellenberger. 168 00:16:24,460 --> 00:16:25,160 Thank you, Ms. Reed. 169 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,500 The proposal is to read a reasoning amendment for just over five and a half acres in 170 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:31,620 Midbrook's commercial area. 171 00:16:31,860 --> 00:16:36,860 It's in the fields in service district, the commercial office, mixed use land use, as well as 172 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:40,180 as part of the fields in the town center, and designated urban development area. 173 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:45,540 Properties zone mixed use, fields in core, subjects of current, proper statement, code of 174 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:51,300 development, concept of development, play, and originally it proves in April 2012, you know, 175 00:16:51,300 --> 00:16:54,340 in several amendments throughout the years. 176 00:16:55,580 --> 00:16:58,700 Current entitlements allow for 575 to well units, 177 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,760 400, three of those are in the PRD portion, 178 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:06,580 including attached and detached units, 182 of those have been developed. 179 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,900 There is a 100 multifamily, age restricted units within the MUB portions, 180 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:13,460 80 of those have been developed. 181 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,440 They're allowed for 54 single-family attached units, 182 00:17:17,460 --> 00:17:20,640 townhomes, and the MUB portion, those have all been developed. 183 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:26,780 And then they're also allowed for 18 residential units of commercial and the MUB portions which have not been developed. 184 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,340 Additionally, the crew was allowed for 310,000 square feet of commercial and MUB portions of the project. 185 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:39,200 8,000 square feet of which has been developed includes RB's Starbucks and then a combined AT&T and DEMSary office. 186 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:46,760 You also have approvals for attached well units in the MUB, hotel in the MUB, commercial uses 187 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,220 within a building between 20 and 70,000 square feet, and three drive through facilities. 188 00:17:53,380 --> 00:17:57,140 With this request, they're seeking to amend the proper statement, code of development, 189 00:17:57,340 --> 00:18:01,680 concept development plan, to accommodate two interstit commercial users, tractor supply, 190 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:09,180 and should pull like they have both determined at mid-broke's to best location and be able to 191 00:18:09,180 --> 00:18:15,960 and they contemplated as part of mid-Rex original approvals, and it also then provides for a known timeline as their interested parties 192 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,940 versus them continuing to market unknown end users. 193 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,200 The most significant change is to deposit the development plan. 194 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:30,980 You see on the screen, the box in yellow and the image on the top is the currently approved CDP. 195 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:39,140 It remains unchanged with the exception of the box on the bottom is an alternative development plan for building A and building B. 196 00:18:39,900 --> 00:18:45,220 Building A has been revised a little bit smaller and also allows for outdoor storage and display of sale items. 197 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:48,220 Those are the orange areas on the lower image. 198 00:18:48,860 --> 00:18:52,520 Building B has been revised to be a little bit smaller in the company to drive through facility. 199 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,140 There's one other change requested to the plan, 200 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:58,560 related to key pedestrian streets. 201 00:18:58,900 --> 00:19:01,520 That's the purple dash line on the plan. 202 00:19:01,980 --> 00:19:06,960 Currently the ordinance requires for 75% of the first floor uses to be active commercial. 203 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:14,600 It approvals allow for 60% of first-floor commercial if building F is developed as a building 204 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,940 E is developed as a hotel. 205 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,620 What this request is asking for is 55% of building E as a hotel and building B is the 206 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:22,980 Chipotle Reshup proposed. 207 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,340 What that equates to is no act of commercial in those two buildings in 75% in the rest. 208 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:33,420 And that can be approved by the board with the determination that a sufficient act of commercial 209 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:35,040 will be included throughout the rest of the project. 210 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:55,100 The plan also adds buffering details, I was a service buffer area behind building A that's shown on the far right inside of the screen and then a drive through buffer for building B, which is similar to the same traffic buffer that was utilized at the Starbucks at the other end of the project. 211 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:59,700 It also adds to know it's required in the outdoor storage and it's required to be needed. 212 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:07,540 We're literally screened from view, and we need to go for sale and rent, and require it to be the less in the area of the footprint of the building. 213 00:20:10,260 --> 00:20:15,300 Who's development has been revised to address the active commercial along keep that street street spent in earlier? 214 00:20:16,060 --> 00:20:25,920 It also includes outdoor storage with some standards as mentioned earlier, and then it allows building aid to have less glazing along route 17 and parking lot the sides. 215 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:32,080 It will be less poor mainstream oriented as the other buildings would be and then the proper statement has been modified. 216 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:40,840 I propose we modified to allow for two buildings located on the KBS from Streets as part of the first 70,000 square feet versus the originally required free. 217 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:52,100 And what that was when that was originally drafted, it was assumed that building A would develop early or first in the process with the commercial development around it. 218 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:56,540 filling in, whereas the development patterns we're actually seeing is that the sites along 219 00:20:56,540 --> 00:21:00,080 17 coming first, so that would allow these two to move forward. 220 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,620 Any questions I'm happy to answer them? 221 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:05,120 Any questions at this time? 222 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:14,580 I've got a couple more of this, like a little 50-type thing, but Jefferson Boulevard, would that 223 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:19,440 be built kind of at the same time that if this gets passed like this? 224 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,740 It is the Jefferson County there, isn't that woke up? 225 00:21:25,100 --> 00:21:31,600 Jefferson comes off of Jefferson comes off of 17, doesn't it, Adam? 226 00:21:32,340 --> 00:21:35,040 I think this woke up because I looked at the other day. 227 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,760 I think that this Jefferson would have said woke up. 228 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,540 This plan may show it. 229 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,760 So the developments in this series have been constructed 230 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,640 and then these areas have been constructed. 231 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:55,500 We're reviewing plans to extend Jefferson right now all the way to the end, so that's under review curve. 232 00:21:55,540 --> 00:21:58,980 That person is already in the infirm review not in for construction. 233 00:22:01,260 --> 00:22:03,000 Yeah, that needs to go in. 234 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:09,560 I think you told me that that's going to have a left end left end or right end. 235 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:11,340 Left end and left out. 236 00:22:11,340 --> 00:22:16,700 Yeah, so that's good because this whole, all of this development can be Starbucks, 237 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,880 RBs, and everybody's not having a, not Starbucks. 238 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:27,360 People go out of the way to get the Starbucks, but these other places need that great left 239 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,260 in left out. 240 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:36,400 And then just two other, these are more picking questions, but at what point would we ask somebody 241 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,460 to look at that parking lot, that parking lot is, 242 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:48,140 We have a lot of ugly big, too big parking lots here and fall here and what can we do 243 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:56,400 to make it the right size for trackers of life and then also the one you go through to 244 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,220 politely just kind of go through Starbucks and you go through the job to get your drink 245 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:09,140 and then take a left. Those are tiny, hard to make a left. You can hop on the curve on the 246 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:10,420 to a core. 247 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,240 It's not clear. 248 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:16,900 Yeah, that level of detail would come next with the site plan. 249 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,360 And that I would just have to tell you all my opinion, 250 00:23:20,780 --> 00:23:22,380 and then you all would look at that. 251 00:23:22,620 --> 00:23:22,860 Yeah. 252 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:26,040 And we've got a recording here now of your concern. 253 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,140 We'll pass that along in the applicants here. 254 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,700 And kind of on a side note, 255 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:35,140 we have had conversations with both, 256 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:45,160 It's putty team and the trackers by team very informal and so far so they're looking for better direction from staff before they start really 257 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,960 Engineering it and we're kind of waiting to see how this process plays out before we get to detail. 258 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:59,200 Yeah, the right of the way it is right now when you go through the drive through and then you're kind of driving through a parking lot to get out. 259 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,440 Maybe it has to be like, I probably don't have to be like that, but just a lot of driving 260 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:13,540 through parking lots, especially like the food on a parking lot, is kind of a, then the 261 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:20,540 big lot since the way that you get to the exits, so you just, yeah, and there is flexibility 262 00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:26,460 built into the approvals that would allow some modifications, and as the commercial streets 263 00:24:26,460 --> 00:24:29,740 or probably on the main team, we have some flexibility 264 00:24:29,740 --> 00:24:32,220 that we don't typically have with V-Doc regulations. 265 00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:35,140 Any other questions, just that? 266 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:36,000 It's just point. 267 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:36,600 I want our two. 268 00:24:37,580 --> 00:24:39,660 Kind of to Matthew's point about the parking. 269 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,940 The parking lot in yellow, that is intended to serve building A, 270 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,320 building B, building C, correct all three? 271 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,240 Yes, and it's not that specific. 272 00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:55,800 It's served the whole development. 273 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,660 Okay, so it's not used by users for the whole development 274 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:08,280 There's reductions, approves, part of the previous approval is to allow for, because of the walkability and shared uses and things like that. 275 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:19,000 The parking is primarily based on a 55,000 square foot building, and we're proposing about a 25, so yeah, there's probably some ability to 276 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160 So we can certainly work with the advocacy team on that. 277 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:30,620 One of the things, excuse me, when I was reviewing this, 278 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:35,340 and to Matthew's point about just the angles and the turns 279 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:39,340 and the difficulty getting in and out of, you know, 280 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,420 this parking lot as well as the food line, plaza, across the street. 281 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,220 What about where the purple intersects? 282 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:49,860 see there's a traffic circle or peers to be a traffic 283 00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:51,560 intended traffic circle for building 284 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,100 e the future hotel. 285 00:25:54,020 --> 00:25:56,260 What about if what a traffic circle 286 00:25:56,260 --> 00:26:01,180 work where those two roads come together and I apologize, 287 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,420 I can't read. 288 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 It's probably not necessary, and it's not really 289 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,260 shown on this plan super clearly. 290 00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:20,390 But this is an outdoor plaza, green space. 291 00:26:20,390 --> 00:26:23,930 probably really more hard-skate as well as this area here. 292 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:25,950 So directly across one another, okay? 293 00:26:26,530 --> 00:26:30,070 Yeah, and then we have had discussions with the hotel here. 294 00:26:30,830 --> 00:26:33,930 That isn't a traffic circle, that's more of the port co-share that was really 295 00:26:33,930 --> 00:26:34,770 conceptually to those on. 296 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:40,990 So, for the drop-off, I don't know that the traffic circle you start pushing 297 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:44,270 buildings back and further away and you really want them close to the street and close to 298 00:26:44,270 --> 00:26:52,110 sidewalk in this instance, and particularly with the plazas you want them to relate to the buildings 299 00:26:52,110 --> 00:27:00,910 and through the sidewalks, but the modification to the internal circulation in that yellow box 300 00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:06,510 or the box below it and making sure the drive-through functions appropriately can all be done. 301 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:14,190 This was done as more of a high level conceptual to show that it can fit once the two end users 302 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:18,590 engineers get involved with those details because they all have their own specs. 303 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:30,690 And then just a question since you've got Route 17, this piece of butts right up to Route 17, what will be the orientation of tractor supply? 304 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:35,790 Will the front of the store be facing the parking lot or facing Route 17? 305 00:27:35,790 --> 00:27:47,990 What's facing the parking lot? Okay. Okay. Yeah, this was maybe this third iteration of the commercial center. Okay, and we'll let the second one 306 00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:59,250 That building move there and the thought was that if you have its face along 17 or the side along 17, that can be dressed up in kind of 307 00:27:59,250 --> 00:28:05,730 act as a identifying feature versus before is kind of buried in the back. So I think that 308 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:08,910 that does help to get some of the urban feel that's looked for in the company. 309 00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:17,630 So then when we get the site plan design that's I just have concerns that the side of the building 310 00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:25,550 that's going to be facing 17 not become like the storage yard, the, okay, this bottom pitcher. 311 00:28:26,290 --> 00:28:28,010 Yes. That's the side that would face 17. 312 00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:35,690 conceptually and then the orange is clearly internal and those were discussions we had early on with the epicotemus 313 00:28:36,770 --> 00:28:43,130 Things that staff thought was important and assumed you all dead too. Yeah. Thank you. That's all. Any other questions? 314 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:46,570 I've got a comment of 315 00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:49,970 Marshall District and 316 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:56,390 Center District had the luxury of having attracted to the people in lead district going to see the 317 00:28:56,390 --> 00:29:03,210 joining Zeter Run would also like to have that same luxury so I would appreciate your support 318 00:29:03,210 --> 00:29:11,330 on this plus we lost our A's hardware in Beald and we lost our farmers co-op in Marsville 319 00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:18,050 which five miles down the road. So tractor supplies truly needed. I have heard from some 320 00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:23,910 people that they would like to not have to collect a call pepper or to warrant and for some 321 00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:30,010 I think it's a good, it's a good design and thank you for getting some of those questions answered in advance. 322 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:32,350 Yeah, thank you. 323 00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:33,510 Moving on, there's me. 324 00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:38,530 Yes, that brings you to Commissioner's time and I do have some announcements. 325 00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:44,090 The board did not have a meeting in August, so there's nothing to report there. 326 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:48,870 If you have not heard the Remington Digital Campus application, 327 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:56,250 I'm also known previously as Giga Land with Drew their application last week, so that will not be going to the board. 328 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:59,950 And then you have a light agenda today, but you have a... 329 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:14,960 The family day home text amendment, we will be bringing that back to you. And the Scott District, there is Port Rush Energy Center, a comprehensive plan, compliance review for a battery storage facility. 330 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:22,280 In the Marshall District, there is Marshall Station, two special exceptions, two category 331 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:29,540 13 special exceptions to allow two drive-through facilities in conjunction with proposed fast food 332 00:30:29,540 --> 00:30:35,720 eating establishments. This is at the 711 Holtzman in Marshall. We do not know the end users. 333 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:44,420 In the Marshall District also, the Vietnam Buddhist Meditation Center at Category 6, 334 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:46,860 special permit for a minor place of worship, 335 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,800 and the lead district is waterlings pet 336 00:30:53,760 --> 00:31:01,180 aquimation. It's a category two special permit for an intimate use. This is 337 00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:09,620 creamatorium for animals. Is that a district? Is that a ultimate book form? Yes, sir. We've 338 00:31:09,620 --> 00:31:13,340 been working with this group. They've been working at this for a while with WSAM staff. 339 00:31:13,340 --> 00:31:16,540 And that was a special exception, a special permit, 340 00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,500 and then two data center applications, 341 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:29,120 convergent data centers in the lead district, as well as remintant innovation campus in the lead district. 342 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,240 And that concludes my announcements. 343 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,860 Commissioner's time. Anything for Commissioner's time? You don't have? 344 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:43,320 No, thank you. You just want to make the announcement that you don't want to. 345 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,700 Oh, yes, pardon me. I will not be able to attend the evening's meeting, so I will be absent. 346 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:55,960 All right. Thank you. Matthew. No, sir. Thank you. Thank you all for attending. 347 00:31:56,460 --> 00:31:59,960 Nice gentleman. Last time there is any other business to come before this commission, we are adjourned. 348 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,240 Thank you.