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here on behalf of a couple

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clients the first of which is on

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page 5 of your agenda the ok

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gentry m a-r 26-16 I would like

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to request a two month

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postponement to the NOVEMBER

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NOVEMBER 19th planning

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commission meeting.

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We have met with staff last week

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and have developed a plan on

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kind of how to move forward.

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It's just going to take us time

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to do the development plan work.

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>> had all right.

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>> I move for post pope.

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Of plan MARCH 2616 and the

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development plan to NOVEMBER

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thirteenth as --

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19th as requested bay the

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applicants.

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>> motion and seconded.

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All those in favor?

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Let's go to our voting here.

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All right.

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Unanimous.

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>> the next one is on page 6 of

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It is right next door to each

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other page 8 of your agenda,

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26-17 on behalf of ball homes we

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ask a one-month postponement to

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the OCTOBER 22 planning

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commission agenda and the same

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rational we have met with staff

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and it will take time to get an

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updated plan in but we believe

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we will be able to hit that

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agenda.

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>> all right.

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Do I hear a motion for

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postponement.

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MR. Penn.

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>> I move for postponement of

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pln-mar 26-17 for the OCTOBER

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22nd meeting.

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>> a second by commissioner

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worth.

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all right let's vote.

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All right unanimous.

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>> and the last one is page 18

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of your agenda m a-r 26-21,

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regency holding 3.

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should be able to hit the next

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month agenda so we ask for the

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one month postponement to that

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OCTOBER 22nd date.

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This one has kind of grown in

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waivers and conditional use

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permits and a lot of fun but

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we've got everything done and we

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should be able to hit that

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>> all right.

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Can we hear a motion?

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>> per the 'kaptd's request I

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move for postponement of pln-

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26-21 to OCTOBER 2.

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>> motion has been made and

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seconded in advance by

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commissioner davis.

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All those in favor let's vote.

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>> thank you all so very much.

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>> nathan billings from billings

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law firm this is item 7 on page

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16 of your agenda pln-mar 26-20.

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development plan and related

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waiver request we ask for a

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one-month postponement.

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>> all right he is asking for a

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one-month postponement, can I

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get a motion.

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>> that for the OCTOBER 22nd

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meeting.

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>> a motion for approval of

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pln-mar 26-20, postponement to

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the OCTOBER 22nd meeting.

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All right let's vote.

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Postponed.

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all right.

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map amendment that is at 1021,

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broadway I represent the

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applicant we are requesting an

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indefinite postponement of this

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Further request for an

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indefinite postponement.

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Can I get a motion.

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postponement of pln-mjdp parker

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tobacco on south broadway.

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>> pln-mar 26-8.

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forrester.

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All right, let's vote.

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pln-mar 26-18 anderson

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communities.

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4200 todds road and the

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associated development plan

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we're continuing to make our

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changes to the plan we met with

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the association tuesday.

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postponement to to the OCTOBER

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8th planning commission meeting.

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postponement to OCTOBER 8th.

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two week postponement for

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pln-mar 26-18.

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>> second by commissioner worth.

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>> all right.

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Mccoy I'm here for the item on

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page three item number 2.

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a-r 26-9.

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indefinite postponement on this

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>> postpone until when?

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>> indefinite, please.

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papers when you said what case.

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>> page 3, item 2.

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>> indefinite postponement.

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postponement for pln-mar 26-9,

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mcghee [Inaudible].

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>> commissioner forrester.

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Let's vote.

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14, item 6a and b for up campus

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he is asking a one-month

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postponement he had the

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opportunity to go back and meet

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with staff they are trying to

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address concerns and

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modifications to the development

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plan and they are scheduling

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neighborhood meetings.

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>> can I get a motion?

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development plan.

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withdrawals?

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left on our pages here?

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Good afternoon everyone daniel

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crum planning staff.

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We need the --

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daniel crum planning staff.

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The first item here is a

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consideration of a zota handling

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attended donation centers.

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This was a text amendment

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initiated by the public goodwill

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of kentucky is the applicant and

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the intent behind this text

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amendment was to create a

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definition for attended donation

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centers and allow them in

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retail component with their

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stores where they sell donated

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items of clothing and household

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goods they have the facilities

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for on sight donations sorting

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create this definition to give

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them additional flexibility how

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resale sales, areas just for

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donations, drop-off and sorting

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without the retail component.

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thes but without a retail focus.

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area for pick up and area to

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acomplicate the truck traffic

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the applicant b-3, b-4, and

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pud-3 as principle uses and

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would like the flexibility to

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use them as a conditional use in

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the b-1 zone when they are

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adjacent to an arterial roadway.

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this would impact the b-1 zone

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where the intent is to meet the

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needs of the communities.

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Staff felt without a residential

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component that last piece was

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be appropriate in other more

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intense commercial zones that

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were not so tailored to

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accommodate once again your

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day-to-day shopping uses.

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The staff largely adopted the

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applicant's definition, however

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we found that the conditional

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use and utilizing this in the

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b-1 is not appropriate.

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This would allow goodwill and

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institutions to have the normal

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retail locations with the

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drop-off component but having

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the facilities where it was only

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dropping off below indicated

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Staff is recommending approval

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of the staff alternative text

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giving the nonprofit businesses

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and organizations additional

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flexibility but retaining that

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neighborhood zones for active

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neighborhood business type uses.

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And with that I will be happy to

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entertain any questions you have

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of staff at this time.

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>> do we have any questions for

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staff?

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thank you.

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Okay.

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And we'll hear from the

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applicant next.

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>> good afternoon, everyone.

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I believe we have a slide deck.

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I'm adam haley the director of

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affairs at goodwill kentucky and

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I appreciate you taking the time

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to hear from us today.

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Background with folks unfamiliar

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with goodwill kentucky, it is a

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103-year-old nonprofit

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headquartered in kentucky.

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Our board our C.E.O. All our

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folks are here and the donations

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go back into communities to help

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us achieve our mission getting

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more folks back to employment.

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The number is outdated closer to

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4,000 kentuckians back into the

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workforce every year and we do

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that through our 70 retail

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stores we operate and 12

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opportunity centers our career

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services arm.

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However in order to fund those

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programs we rely on the

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donations of citizens from

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across the commonwealth and they

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need as many options as

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possible.

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The research shows donation

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frequency is key to convenience

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and it's likely why you see in

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places the bins started to

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pop-up because folks in their

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own charity want to find ways to

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help but it is they have busy

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lives.

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We proposed this attended

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donation center amendment as

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staff so shared to provide

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flexibility to us to get the

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donations.

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And what do the donations do?

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They fund 127 million a year in

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wages in kentucky for our

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program staff.

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Of which 81% meet goodwill's

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mission of being disconnected

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from the workforce from systemic

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poverty, incarceration, recovery

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I broke it out about 19 million

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per year in central kentucky.

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And our opportunity center has

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placed 247 people into

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employment outside of our

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organization at an average wage

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of $15.07 an hour.

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The other part is we divert 50

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million pounds of waste from

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landfills through the donation

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centers and our stores.

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Why are we here what is an adc?

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We operate retail stores across

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the community.

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But sometimes there's

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opportunities before we're able

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to open a store, or in a

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facility that MAY not be a

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suitable use for a store, too

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small square-footage we seek to

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operate attended donation

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centers.

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We did start one in lexington

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working to develop our cardinal

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valley store and that is how

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this got started.

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When we understood that the

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planning amendment the zoning

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amendments did not allow for

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that use we quickly closed that

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facility and then continued on

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our process of building out that

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cardinal valley store to

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accommodate the community.

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As staff mentioned these are

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staffed locations these are not

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unattended centers but attended

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by staff, four to five

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individuals taking donations,

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sorting, cataloging and we do

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take those to other stores

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within the community for resale.

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They are on top of being

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attended we also do have staff

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come in when we get donations

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afterhours to go ahead and take

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those donations and prevent

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clutter from building up.

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I also mentioned they MAY not

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fit a retail use because

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sometimes we seek reuse of

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facilities perhaps pharmacies,

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banks, other smaller locations

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that wouldn't support a retail

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store but have the existing

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nfrastructure to support an

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attended donation facility.

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Staff included photos but here

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is a photo of one of our

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facilities here in lexington.

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You can see very much look like

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a retail stores we take pride in

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providing a place that people

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want to work and want to

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support.

419
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These are nice facilities.

420
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This is a nice facility at

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night.

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What it isn't, they are not

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donation begin bins these are

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staff sites you MAY have seen

425
00:19:57,390 --> 00:19:58,641
some of these in the community

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operated by other folks.

427
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These are not goodwills' bins.

428
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But I think people hear donation

429
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facility sometimes their minds

430
00:20:11,154 --> 00:20:13,489
can go to what is the worst case

431
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scenario this is not what we are

432
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proposing with this zota; the

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text amendment.

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With that I'm happy to take any

435
00:20:21,197 --> 00:20:23,197
questions.

436
00:20:24,366 --> 00:20:25,167
>> do we have any questions for

437
00:20:25,167 --> 00:20:27,167
the applicant.

438
00:20:27,803 --> 00:20:29,803
>> laura nickels representing

439
00:20:30,506 --> 00:20:33,506
goodwill and to clarify we

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accept staff revisions we will

441
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proceed with the staff changes

442
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to our text amendment.

443
00:20:42,552 --> 00:20:44,620
>> yes I a quick comment.

444
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About the two images we just saw

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the different between an

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00:20:50,930 --> 00:20:52,493
unattended donation center or

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box, and an attended building

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for donations, it couldn't be

449
00:20:58,668 --> 00:21:00,170
more clear which is more

450
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appealing and conducive to

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00:21:00,704 --> 00:21:02,704
neighborhoods.

452
00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:03,730
That was a good slide you

453
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showed.

454
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Thank you.

455
00:21:04,741 --> 00:21:06,741
>> appreciate it.

456
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>> an other questions for the

457
00:21:11,681 --> 00:21:13,681
applicant?

458
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>> if you all wanted to convert

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one of these donation centers to

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00:21:19,156 --> 00:21:19,457
a retail center, what would you

461
00:21:19,457 --> 00:21:21,457
have to do?

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00:21:22,926 --> 00:21:25,396
>> on the front end a feel that

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would accommodate a full retail

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00:21:28,166 --> 00:21:30,566
store that cardinal valley

465
00:21:30,668 --> 00:21:32,360
location was a walgreens we

466
00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,436
repurposed into a store.

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If it were to become a retail

468
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,843
store it would have to be large

469
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enough for us to have the sales

470
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floor without getting into

471
00:21:42,346 --> 00:21:43,881
specifics because it will depend

472
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what is at the site.

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Most of our retail stores will

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be at a minimum twice as large

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as the attended donation

476
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centers.

477
00:21:51,922 --> 00:21:53,591
At that point we prefer to

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operate a store but sometimes

479
00:21:57,328 --> 00:21:59,728
these locations are more

480
00:22:03,802 --> 00:22:06,802
conducive to a retail center.

481
00:22:07,739 --> 00:22:07,973
>> so it would have to be

482
00:22:07,973 --> 00:22:09,973
larger.

483
00:22:10,141 --> 00:22:12,141
>> any further questions?

484
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:14,246
Do we have public comment?

485
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Approach the mic and state your

486
00:22:15,213 --> 00:22:17,213
name.

487
00:22:18,283 --> 00:22:20,283
>> good afternoon.

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00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:23,719
Paula singer, 110 hamilton park

489
00:22:24,589 --> 00:22:25,257
directly off the versailles road

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00:22:25,257 --> 00:22:27,257
consider door.

491
00:22:28,293 --> 00:22:31,630
I'd like to first of all thank

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00:22:31,630 --> 00:22:34,630
planning staff and goodwill for

493
00:22:35,234 --> 00:22:37,335
removing the b-1 zone from this

494
00:22:37,335 --> 00:22:41,373
zota request and now I ask you

495
00:22:41,373 --> 00:22:43,475
to please remove b-3 from this

496
00:22:43,475 --> 00:22:45,440
zota request.

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The two mile stretch of

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versailles road corridor from

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parkers mill to forbes red mile

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road comprises a good mix of

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00:22:55,854 --> 00:22:56,880
commercial and residential

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zoning.

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In that stretch the vast

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00:23:01,426 --> 00:23:03,196
majority are zoned b-1.

505
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There are six properties that

506
00:23:06,665 --> 00:23:08,665
are zoned b-3.

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00:23:10,937 --> 00:23:13,839
A starbucks, a pawnshop, fifth

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00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:16,142
third bank, the new marks bury

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00:23:16,142 --> 00:23:18,211
library, the save a lot grocery

510
00:23:18,211 --> 00:23:21,211
store and within that grocery

511
00:23:22,782 --> 00:23:25,782
library parkin lot, a credit

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union, all of these serve the

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people of this neighborhood.

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In addition, we have a new

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00:23:34,861 --> 00:23:37,261
elementary school within that

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two-mile stretch.

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And within and directly to the

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north and directly to the south

519
00:23:46,407 --> 00:23:48,675
of this corridor we have

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housing.

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Single-family housing,

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apartments for seniors, low

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income apartments, apartments

524
00:23:55,682 --> 00:23:58,820
for the medically challenged.

525
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Housing for those in recovery.

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And we believe we will soon be

527
00:24:03,924 --> 00:24:05,992
getting housing for those

528
00:24:05,992 --> 00:24:07,992
currently unhoused.

529
00:24:10,931 --> 00:24:12,266
Our corridor is lextran's most

530
00:24:12,266 --> 00:24:14,266
used corridor.

531
00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:17,337
We need sidewalks for the

532
00:24:17,337 --> 00:24:20,337
constant flow of pedestrians and

533
00:24:20,541 --> 00:24:20,808
wheelchair users along our

534
00:24:20,808 --> 00:24:22,808
corridor.

535
00:24:23,477 --> 00:24:26,130
We need protected bike lanes for

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00:24:26,130 --> 00:24:29,130
those whose only means of

537
00:24:29,316 --> 00:24:31,716
transportation is a bicycle.

538
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,890
We need more retail, eat in

539
00:24:35,890 --> 00:24:37,890
restaurants and community

540
00:24:37,524 --> 00:24:40,160
services as recommended in the

541
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,160
cardinal valley small area plan.

542
00:24:44,398 --> 00:24:48,350
We do not need any of our b-3

543
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:49,704
zoning to be used for an

544
00:24:49,704 --> 00:24:50,471
automobile centric drop-off

545
00:24:50,471 --> 00:24:52,471
center.

546
00:24:53,241 --> 00:24:55,778
Again, I ask you to please

547
00:24:55,778 --> 00:24:56,144
simply remove b-3 from this zota

548
00:24:56,144 --> 00:24:57,245
request.

549
00:24:57,245 --> 00:24:59,245
Thank you.

550
00:24:59,848 --> 00:25:01,848
>> thank you.

551
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,650
any other public comment on this

552
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:27,100
zota?

553
00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:29,670
All right.

554
00:26:30,673 --> 00:26:34,211
>> thank you I had to rush home

555
00:26:34,211 --> 00:26:34,511
and get the letter off the

556
00:26:34,511 --> 00:26:36,120
printer.

557
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,120
Good afternoon members.

558
00:26:38,382 --> 00:26:40,830
Let me begin by saying I support

559
00:26:40,830 --> 00:26:41,985
the staff recommendation to

560
00:26:41,985 --> 00:26:44,540
strike the provision for

561
00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:45,989
attended donation centers,

562
00:26:45,989 --> 00:26:48,910
proposed new use from the b-1.

563
00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:49,426
I think we can go farther.

564
00:26:49,426 --> 00:26:52,629
I think it should be struck as

565
00:26:52,629 --> 00:26:55,432
well from the proposed b-3

566
00:26:55,432 --> 00:26:56,166
corridor business and be 6p

567
00:26:56,166 --> 00:26:58,166
commercial center.

568
00:26:58,702 --> 00:27:01,505
These zones are envisioned as

569
00:27:01,505 --> 00:27:04,505
locations to foster and protect

570
00:27:05,342 --> 00:27:06,677
robust multimodal transportation

571
00:27:06,677 --> 00:27:07,430
designed to be welcoming and

572
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:09,430
safe.

573
00:27:09,746 --> 00:27:12,146
Not just for vehicles.

574
00:27:12,315 --> 00:27:13,985
They've been amended to

575
00:27:13,985 --> 00:27:15,850
stimulate the development of

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00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:17,850
closely mixed-uses.

577
00:27:17,187 --> 00:27:18,956
Their uses and design should

578
00:27:18,956 --> 00:27:20,958
meet the needs of lexington

579
00:27:20,958 --> 00:27:22,958
residents while reducing

580
00:27:23,394 --> 00:27:25,329
reliance on personal vehicles.

581
00:27:25,329 --> 00:27:26,798
Allowing in these zones the

582
00:27:26,798 --> 00:27:29,798
drop-off and processing of goods

583
00:27:30,134 --> 00:27:31,569
not offered for sale at this

584
00:27:31,569 --> 00:27:33,337
site, is scarcely an

585
00:27:33,337 --> 00:27:34,806
encouragement to use this

586
00:27:34,806 --> 00:27:36,707
valuable land at kilo

587
00:27:36,707 --> 00:27:38,810
indications to best meet

588
00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:40,810
community needs.

589
00:27:41,546 --> 00:27:44,546
These are three zones centrally

590
00:27:44,982 --> 00:27:45,617
cited to serve the community's

591
00:27:45,617 --> 00:27:47,617
daily needs.

592
00:27:47,985 --> 00:27:49,421
The b-1 is a neighborhood

593
00:27:49,421 --> 00:27:51,623
business zone and neighborhood

594
00:27:51,623 --> 00:27:53,623
turning focused serving.

595
00:27:54,693 --> 00:27:56,627
The b-3 corridor runs right

596
00:27:56,627 --> 00:28:00,227
along with buses and so forth.

597
00:28:00,265 --> 00:28:03,340
So that people can make sure

598
00:28:03,340 --> 00:28:05,700
daily errands there and the b-6

599
00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:06,404
p commercial center you go to

600
00:28:06,404 --> 00:28:07,706
the anchor store and other

601
00:28:07,706 --> 00:28:09,808
places at the same time.

602
00:28:09,808 --> 00:28:12,177
These are all good places for

603
00:28:12,177 --> 00:28:13,211
people who have limited options

604
00:28:13,211 --> 00:28:15,211
for transportation.

605
00:28:15,681 --> 00:28:16,281
But need the same shopping that

606
00:28:16,281 --> 00:28:18,281
eeryone else does.

607
00:28:19,384 --> 00:28:20,986
I believe the drive-thru or

608
00:28:20,986 --> 00:28:22,654
drive-up should be recognized as

609
00:28:22,654 --> 00:28:24,654
a straight use.

610
00:28:25,858 --> 00:28:27,920
I've put the definition of it up

611
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,920
there maybe changing in council

612
00:28:30,462 --> 00:28:31,930
I think you can see that it's a

613
00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:34,199
drive-up or a drive-thru and if

614
00:28:34,199 --> 00:28:37,336
that is to be a part of it it

615
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:37,603
should be separately allowed and

616
00:28:37,603 --> 00:28:39,603
regulated.

617
00:28:41,974 --> 00:28:43,543
It is a special completing

618
00:28:43,543 --> 00:28:45,644
forteler made use none of the

619
00:28:45,644 --> 00:28:47,647
other people who do donation and

620
00:28:47,647 --> 00:28:50,150
resale seems to be clamoring for

621
00:28:50,150 --> 00:28:50,683
this and I've listed some who

622
00:28:50,683 --> 00:28:52,683
are not.

623
00:28:52,985 --> 00:28:54,287
I don't know why it should be

624
00:28:54,287 --> 00:28:57,287
restricted to nonprofits if it's

625
00:28:58,525 --> 00:29:00,360
to be such a use.

626
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,463
Others don't want or need it

627
00:29:03,463 --> 00:29:05,231
they want people to donate,

628
00:29:05,231 --> 00:29:06,433
cosign and buy all in one trip

629
00:29:06,433 --> 00:29:08,833
and come by often.

630
00:29:10,103 --> 00:29:10,336
It is essentially a store

631
00:29:10,336 --> 00:29:12,336
monday.

632
00:29:13,306 --> 00:29:14,807
If you approve this you are

633
00:29:14,807 --> 00:29:17,344
approving the option to have a

634
00:29:17,344 --> 00:29:19,579
place to drop-off goods for

635
00:29:19,579 --> 00:29:19,846
donation, where you can't do any

636
00:29:19,846 --> 00:29:21,846
shopping.

637
00:29:22,515 --> 00:29:26,115
There are no goods or services

638
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:27,553
offered to you beyond relief of

639
00:29:27,553 --> 00:29:31,153
unwanted things it is a store

640
00:29:31,225 --> 00:29:33,225
without the store.

641
00:29:34,494 --> 00:29:37,164
And two employees their filing

642
00:29:37,164 --> 00:29:40,764
said it would employ two people

643
00:29:40,968 --> 00:29:42,803
during its hours of operation.

644
00:29:42,803 --> 00:29:43,403
Not much for these valuable

645
00:29:43,403 --> 00:29:45,403
zones.

646
00:29:45,706 --> 00:29:47,874
So I would encourage that you

647
00:29:47,874 --> 00:29:51,244
deny it in fact you could put

648
00:29:51,244 --> 00:29:53,347
the b-4 into the very next zota

649
00:29:53,347 --> 00:29:55,149
it's been well reviewed and I

650
00:29:55,149 --> 00:29:55,849
think it would be a welcome use

651
00:29:55,849 --> 00:29:56,384
in the b-4.

652
00:29:56,384 --> 00:29:58,850
Thank you.

653
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:58,718
>> thank you.

654
00:29:58,718 --> 00:30:00,654
All right.

655
00:30:00,654 --> 00:30:04,254
Do we have any other public

656
00:30:04,292 --> 00:30:06,494
comment on this zota?

657
00:30:06,494 --> 00:30:09,494
Not hearing any, applicant would

658
00:30:16,704 --> 00:30:19,104
you like to respond?

659
00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:21,342
>> I'll respond briefly and say

660
00:30:21,342 --> 00:30:22,910
we appreciate working with the

661
00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:23,811
planning commission staff and

662
00:30:23,811 --> 00:30:25,811
their thoughtful consideration

663
00:30:26,714 --> 00:30:29,283
of this zota and as my colleague

664
00:30:29,283 --> 00:30:31,219
said are amenable to the changes

665
00:30:31,219 --> 00:30:33,870
the staff have returned.

666
00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:35,289
I believe some of the

667
00:30:35,289 --> 00:30:36,691
information in this attached

668
00:30:36,691 --> 00:30:38,691
document regarding our

669
00:30:39,727 --> 00:30:42,130
intentions for the sites is

670
00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:42,530
misunderstanding as I directed

671
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:43,698
earlier.

672
00:30:43,698 --> 00:30:46,268
We look for opportunities to

673
00:30:46,268 --> 00:30:47,769
locate stores they do help fund

674
00:30:47,769 --> 00:30:49,671
fuel the mission but where

675
00:30:49,671 --> 00:30:51,206
there's opportunities for

676
00:30:51,206 --> 00:30:53,241
adaptive reuse and the market

677
00:30:53,241 --> 00:30:55,610
supports it, is the only place

678
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:56,944
we would see these adc's.

679
00:30:56,944 --> 00:30:58,790
I appreciate the staff's

680
00:30:58,790 --> 00:31:00,140
consideration and urge you all

681
00:31:00,140 --> 00:31:01,216
to approve it as recommended.

682
00:31:01,216 --> 00:31:03,216
>> thank you.

683
00:31:03,852 --> 00:31:06,222
>> I will add that the b-3 zone

684
00:31:06,222 --> 00:31:07,289
is specifically for a major

685
00:31:07,289 --> 00:31:09,157
connector roadway that serves

686
00:31:09,157 --> 00:31:10,825
the need of the broader

687
00:31:10,825 --> 00:31:13,825
lexington community and that is

688
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:16,131
what the adc is intended to do.

689
00:31:16,131 --> 00:31:18,131
>> okay.

690
00:31:19,435 --> 00:31:20,369
>> I have a question for you

691
00:31:20,369 --> 00:31:22,370
applicant.

692
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:24,339
Let's just go through the

693
00:31:24,339 --> 00:31:25,775
process of your site selection

694
00:31:25,775 --> 00:31:27,776
we have not seen you come

695
00:31:27,776 --> 00:31:30,776
through with a development plan

696
00:31:31,447 --> 00:31:31,714
to build a new construction

697
00:31:31,714 --> 00:31:33,714
facility.

698
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,860
So that leads me to infer that

699
00:31:37,860 --> 00:31:39,989
what you are doing is looking at

700
00:31:39,989 --> 00:31:42,258
property that is for lease, for

701
00:31:42,258 --> 00:31:44,693
sale, currently vacant that you

702
00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:46,262
think you can provide a public

703
00:31:46,262 --> 00:31:46,829
good with by running your

704
00:31:46,829 --> 00:31:48,698
business.

705
00:31:48,698 --> 00:31:49,320
Am I correct in that

706
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,320
understanding?

707
00:31:53,335 --> 00:31:54,804
Or are you also --

708
00:31:54,804 --> 00:31:56,772
let me back up.

709
00:31:56,772 --> 00:31:59,800
I appreciate your comment when

710
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:01,511
you use the term adaptive reuse.

711
00:32:01,511 --> 00:32:03,380
That has a different term for us

712
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:06,282
in planning and zoning but that

713
00:32:06,282 --> 00:32:08,785
is what we're doing you all are

714
00:32:08,785 --> 00:32:10,653
taking vacant property and

715
00:32:10,653 --> 00:32:12,540
putting together a good use for

716
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:12,956
our community.

717
00:32:12,956 --> 00:32:15,225
I commend you for that.

718
00:32:15,225 --> 00:32:17,225
>> thank you, sir.

719
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,600
>> yes.

720
00:32:20,530 --> 00:32:22,530
>> thank you.

721
00:32:22,699 --> 00:32:24,368
However, once you have a zone

722
00:32:24,368 --> 00:32:26,970
and text amendment it applies

723
00:32:26,970 --> 00:32:30,974
not just to you but to every

724
00:32:30,974 --> 00:32:33,343
other nonprofit as is stated in

725
00:32:33,343 --> 00:32:35,343
the text amendment.

726
00:32:36,513 --> 00:32:39,817
So it's a conundrum because you

727
00:32:39,817 --> 00:32:42,520
have come before us with your

728
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,954
goodwill, all puns intended but

729
00:32:43,954 --> 00:32:46,954
we don't have the same

730
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:50,157
reassurance that every other

731
00:32:51,695 --> 00:32:51,928
entity might go forth in that

732
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:53,928
manner.

733
00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,435
That's my concern might stem

734
00:32:57,435 --> 00:32:59,435
from.

735
00:32:59,603 --> 00:33:01,372
>> if I can address that.

736
00:33:01,372 --> 00:33:04,175
That is specifically why the

737
00:33:04,175 --> 00:33:05,977
definition is so narrowly

738
00:33:05,977 --> 00:33:08,879
tailored why we limited it and

739
00:33:08,879 --> 00:33:10,248
worked with staff to limit it to

740
00:33:10,248 --> 00:33:11,782
nonprofit organizations with

741
00:33:11,782 --> 00:33:14,782
very specific items that are

742
00:33:15,219 --> 00:33:17,322
similar to what a goodwill

743
00:33:17,322 --> 00:33:18,490
salvation army or habitat in our

744
00:33:18,490 --> 00:33:20,825
community do because we think

745
00:33:20,825 --> 00:33:23,160
they are all good partners they

746
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,630
would be the ones eligible and

747
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:27,331
if they wanted to use an adc

748
00:33:27,331 --> 00:33:29,731
model to utilize it.

749
00:33:30,234 --> 00:33:32,603
And that is also why it would

750
00:33:32,603 --> 00:33:34,272
require attended so it could not

751
00:33:34,272 --> 00:33:36,441
become a drop-off point it's

752
00:33:36,441 --> 00:33:39,441
required to have attendants and

753
00:33:39,677 --> 00:33:42,213
each site we have two employees

754
00:33:42,213 --> 00:33:45,117
at any given time they would

755
00:33:45,117 --> 00:33:46,285
staff four to six employees

756
00:33:46,285 --> 00:33:48,285
total per site.

757
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,320
>> commissioner?

758
00:33:51,589 --> 00:33:51,990
>> any other questions for the

759
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:53,990
applicant?

760
00:33:54,993 --> 00:33:56,993
Thank you.

761
00:33:57,329 --> 00:33:59,297
Does staff have any comment?

762
00:33:59,297 --> 00:34:01,297
>> no additional comment.

763
00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:06,205
>> so back to the commission.

764
00:34:06,205 --> 00:34:07,906
Okay.

765
00:34:07,906 --> 00:34:10,609
You all can be seated.

766
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:13,346
>> can one of you any of you all

767
00:34:13,346 --> 00:34:15,280
of you please address the

768
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,250
concern about how this might

769
00:34:18,250 --> 00:34:20,650
impact that stretch of

770
00:34:20,786 --> 00:34:23,655
versailles road where there are

771
00:34:23,655 --> 00:34:26,759
other businesses in a b-3 that

772
00:34:26,759 --> 00:34:28,694
are zoned b-3 but which

773
00:34:28,694 --> 00:34:29,862
accommodate multiple modes of

774
00:34:29,862 --> 00:34:32,262
travel not just vehicles?

775
00:34:32,465 --> 00:34:35,368
And what you think about that.

776
00:34:35,368 --> 00:34:37,768
Have you considered that

777
00:34:39,472 --> 00:34:40,940
removing b-3 from areas where

778
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:42,141
these attended donation centers

779
00:34:42,141 --> 00:34:44,141
could occur?

780
00:34:44,343 --> 00:34:46,713
>> I guess I would say as sort

781
00:34:46,713 --> 00:34:49,810
of a broader blanket statement

782
00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:51,117
we have b-3 that it's located on

783
00:34:51,117 --> 00:34:53,185
the corridor depending what part

784
00:34:53,185 --> 00:34:55,688
of the community they maybe in,

785
00:34:55,688 --> 00:34:58,558
it maybe closer to residential,

786
00:34:58,558 --> 00:35:00,560
so b-3 looks a variety of ways

787
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:00,827
as you look across the

788
00:35:00,827 --> 00:35:02,328
community.

789
00:35:02,328 --> 00:35:04,564
And so our comfort with this

790
00:35:04,564 --> 00:35:06,533
being in the b-3 stemmed from

791
00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:08,768
the other principally permitted

792
00:35:08,768 --> 00:35:10,203
uses in the zone the

793
00:35:10,203 --> 00:35:10,437
similarities how they could

794
00:35:10,437 --> 00:35:12,437
operate.

795
00:35:12,705 --> 00:35:13,774
So that was the lens that staff

796
00:35:13,774 --> 00:35:15,774
looked at.

797
00:35:15,808 --> 00:35:17,343
It doesn't --

798
00:35:17,343 --> 00:35:19,279
we are not looking at a

799
00:35:19,279 --> 00:35:20,948
particular zone change at a

800
00:35:20,948 --> 00:35:22,449
particular location but our

801
00:35:22,449 --> 00:35:24,685
hesitancy for the b-1 stemmed

802
00:35:24,685 --> 00:35:26,420
from the fact it wasn't meeting

803
00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:28,488
the intent of the local shopping

804
00:35:28,488 --> 00:35:31,891
but the b-3 you are starting to

805
00:35:31,891 --> 00:35:34,561
look at things more specialized

806
00:35:34,561 --> 00:35:36,664
a by right permitted use maybe a

807
00:35:36,664 --> 00:35:39,300
four wheeler shop not something

808
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:41,936
most of us would use but you are

809
00:35:41,936 --> 00:35:43,104
looking at a roadway that can

810
00:35:43,104 --> 00:35:45,504
accommodate the larger traffic

811
00:35:45,805 --> 00:35:47,775
and more standardized approach

812
00:35:47,775 --> 00:35:50,175
to drive-thrus being permitted

813
00:35:52,246 --> 00:35:54,615
that is the lens we looked at

814
00:35:54,615 --> 00:35:56,817
comparing to what is allowed in

815
00:35:56,817 --> 00:35:59,120
the zone and you are correct in

816
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,689
stating that brought up this

817
00:36:01,689 --> 00:36:03,560
doesn't apply just to goodwill

818
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,193
but what we were seeing in

819
00:36:05,193 --> 00:36:07,395
general with the guardrails put

820
00:36:07,395 --> 00:36:09,530
in plates specifying they did

821
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,699
have to be actively employed it

822
00:36:11,699 --> 00:36:14,435
wasn't a drop-off led staff to

823
00:36:14,435 --> 00:36:15,202
be comfortable with the zoning

824
00:36:15,202 --> 00:36:17,602
framework we see here.

825
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:19,839
>> thank you.

826
00:36:19,940 --> 00:36:22,340
>> anybody else have any

827
00:36:23,478 --> 00:36:25,478
comments, questions?

828
00:36:29,284 --> 00:36:31,284
All right.

829
00:36:32,386 --> 00:36:33,688
>> first of all to the goodwill

830
00:36:33,688 --> 00:36:37,288
people you have been in business

831
00:36:37,291 --> 00:36:39,961
for over 100 years and I wish

832
00:36:39,961 --> 00:36:41,997
you the best for 100 years you

833
00:36:41,997 --> 00:36:44,599
provide a measurable value to

834
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,701
our the caos I have one goodwill

835
00:36:46,701 --> 00:36:50,710
store and it is a retail

836
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:50,238
function but they do a very good

837
00:36:50,238 --> 00:36:52,238
job.

838
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:53,342
With that in mind and to the

839
00:36:53,342 --> 00:36:55,310
addressing some of the concerns

840
00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:56,912
from the community, I think from

841
00:36:56,912 --> 00:36:58,680
my perspective some of the

842
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,915
questions have been raised were

843
00:37:00,915 --> 00:37:02,684
some that I had but the staff

844
00:37:02,684 --> 00:37:04,684
has addressed those.

845
00:37:04,954 --> 00:37:08,557
To that end I would like to move

846
00:37:08,557 --> 00:37:11,557
for approval of pln-zota 26-7

847
00:37:13,162 --> 00:37:13,996
and that is approval to the

848
00:37:13,996 --> 00:37:16,996
staff alternative text for the

849
00:37:18,340 --> 00:37:21,340
two reasons provided by behalf

850
00:37:21,137 --> 00:37:23,137
and pln-26-7.

851
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:24,306
>> and a second by commissioner

852
00:37:24,306 --> 00:37:26,141
nicol.

853
00:37:26,141 --> 00:37:28,141
All right.

854
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Let's vote.

855
00:37:41,391 --> 00:37:42,692
All right that motion carries.

856
00:37:42,692 --> 00:37:44,692
All right.

857
00:38:22,232 --> 00:38:24,232
Next?

858
00:38:36,780 --> 00:38:38,780
>> good afternoon planning

859
00:38:39,383 --> 00:38:41,352
commission members I'm eve

860
00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:42,352
miller and I am a senior planner

861
00:38:42,352 --> 00:38:44,621
with the long-range planning

862
00:38:44,621 --> 00:38:46,890
team in the division of planning

863
00:38:46,890 --> 00:38:50,490
and this afternoon I'm here to

864
00:38:51,610 --> 00:38:53,640
present to you pln-zota, 26-9

865
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,464
update to industrial zones.%

866
00:38:56,534 --> 00:38:59,437
and we'll go ahead and dive in.

867
00:38:59,437 --> 00:39:01,739
So as you all are very familiar

868
00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:03,741
by this point, the blue sky

869
00:39:03,741 --> 00:39:05,242
small area plan was passed

870
00:39:05,242 --> 00:39:07,311
unanimously by the planning

871
00:39:07,311 --> 00:39:08,713
commission on JUNE 11th this

872
00:39:08,713 --> 00:39:11,713
summer and that year long

873
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:13,351
process looked at the blue sky

874
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:14,152
activity center off athens

875
00:39:14,152 --> 00:39:16,152
boonesboro road.

876
00:39:16,153 --> 00:39:17,956
And allowed the city to take a

877
00:39:17,956 --> 00:39:20,691
dive at the physical conditions

878
00:39:20,691 --> 00:39:23,728
and needs of the industrial area

879
00:39:23,728 --> 00:39:25,831
and how we could help those

880
00:39:25,831 --> 00:39:27,831
businesses thrive long-term.

881
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:29,367
Blue sky works as it was

882
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:31,767
otherwise known also recommended

883
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:33,739
updates to our industrial and

884
00:39:33,739 --> 00:39:34,939
manufacturing zones.

885
00:39:34,939 --> 00:39:37,342
Mainly because we have not

886
00:39:37,342 --> 00:39:39,277
touched them or updated them

887
00:39:39,277 --> 00:39:41,277
significantly since 1983.

888
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:42,681
When they were created and

889
00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:44,681
passed.

890
00:39:44,816 --> 00:39:47,216
The proposed regulation updates

891
00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,621
were in chapter 9 of the small

892
00:39:49,621 --> 00:39:51,621
area plan.

893
00:39:52,791 --> 00:39:54,559
And our plan staff's plan was to

894
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:55,461
implement them through a zoning

895
00:39:55,461 --> 00:39:57,461
ordinance text amendment

896
00:39:57,696 --> 00:39:58,497
following the adoption of that

897
00:39:58,497 --> 00:40:00,465
small area plan.

898
00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:00,999
Staff believed that the

899
00:40:00,999 --> 00:40:02,999
recommended changes both

900
00:40:03,468 --> 00:40:06,639
implement the vision of blue sky

901
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:07,773
works and also have citywide

902
00:40:07,773 --> 00:40:09,841
benefits for our industrial

903
00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:11,410
zones throughout lexington

904
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:12,712
fayette county.

905
00:40:12,712 --> 00:40:15,214
The proposal seeks to implement

906
00:40:15,214 --> 00:40:17,483
changes to three zones the

907
00:40:17,483 --> 00:40:19,552
warehouse and wholesale b-4, the

908
00:40:19,552 --> 00:40:22,552
light industrial I-1 zone and

909
00:40:24,957 --> 00:40:26,926
the heavy industrial I-2 zone.

910
00:40:26,926 --> 00:40:28,828
Diving into the zota proposal

911
00:40:28,828 --> 00:40:30,863
there are five major updates

912
00:40:30,863 --> 00:40:33,263
that staff is proposing.

913
00:40:33,566 --> 00:40:35,468
The first is the removal of

914
00:40:35,468 --> 00:40:37,603
nested zoning the inclusion of

915
00:40:37,603 --> 00:40:39,720
impact based use

916
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,472
classifications, the defining of

917
00:40:41,641 --> 00:40:43,209
new land use terms, the

918
00:40:43,209 --> 00:40:46,209
development of a campus model

919
00:40:46,213 --> 00:40:47,380
which we hope to codify into the

920
00:40:47,380 --> 00:40:49,682
ordinance and then the inclusion

921
00:40:49,682 --> 00:40:52,251
of eating and drinking standards

922
00:40:52,251 --> 00:40:53,819
for light industrial zones.

923
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:56,723
So the first change that I men

924
00:40:56,723 --> 00:40:58,959
shod the nested zoning are are

925
00:40:58,959 --> 00:41:00,959
industrial regulations utilized

926
00:41:02,562 --> 00:41:04,731
a classification system where

927
00:41:04,731 --> 00:41:06,532
lower intensity land uses are

928
00:41:06,532 --> 00:41:08,835
allowed by right by reference

929
00:41:08,835 --> 00:41:10,537
and this limits the ability to

930
00:41:10,537 --> 00:41:13,106
tailor those zones to the intent

931
00:41:13,106 --> 00:41:14,608
of the manufacturing industrial

932
00:41:14,608 --> 00:41:16,143
uses but also makes it difficult

933
00:41:16,143 --> 00:41:19,143
for the reader or business

934
00:41:20,714 --> 00:41:21,648
owners to understand what is

935
00:41:21,648 --> 00:41:23,116
permitted and the activity in

936
00:41:23,116 --> 00:41:24,818
the zone.

937
00:41:24,818 --> 00:41:27,454
So in the proposal we have

938
00:41:27,454 --> 00:41:28,889
listed all the principle

939
00:41:28,889 --> 00:41:29,456
activities that are allowed in

940
00:41:29,456 --> 00:41:31,456
each.

941
00:41:31,758 --> 00:41:33,427
Second we're looking to classify

942
00:41:33,427 --> 00:41:35,427
industrial and manufacturing

943
00:41:35,862 --> 00:41:37,330
land by their impact rather than

944
00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:39,330
the activity itself.

945
00:41:40,201 --> 00:41:42,369
So this classification system of

946
00:41:42,369 --> 00:41:43,704
high versus low will allow for

947
00:41:43,704 --> 00:41:45,339
more flexibility for business

948
00:41:45,339 --> 00:41:47,739
owners and property owners

949
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:49,409
looking to do business here in

950
00:41:49,409 --> 00:41:51,450
lexington and also thank you for

951
00:41:51,450 --> 00:41:52,813
passing the exhibit.

952
00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:55,116
Staff created that exhibit for

953
00:41:55,116 --> 00:41:56,984
you all to see what is currently

954
00:41:56,984 --> 00:41:59,984
allowed in the zoning ordinance

955
00:42:00,721 --> 00:42:03,290
and how this would transform

956
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:04,250
into high impact should this get

957
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:05,926
passed.

958
00:42:05,926 --> 00:42:08,296
The definitions are high impact

959
00:42:08,296 --> 00:42:10,598
are located on page one of the

960
00:42:10,598 --> 00:42:12,601
draft and low impact is located

961
00:42:12,601 --> 00:42:14,601
on page 2.

962
00:42:15,503 --> 00:42:16,437
We're proposing to codify the

963
00:42:16,437 --> 00:42:18,272
executive campus model system

964
00:42:18,272 --> 00:42:21,272
into the zoning order nadges.

965
00:42:21,342 --> 00:42:22,944
And what we found during the

966
00:42:22,944 --> 00:42:24,913
blue sky small area plan process

967
00:42:24,913 --> 00:42:27,715
when we spoke to business owners

968
00:42:27,715 --> 00:42:31,315
and property owners is they are

969
00:42:31,953 --> 00:42:33,121
facing a parcel by parcel

970
00:42:33,121 --> 00:42:35,521
redevelopment issue because each

971
00:42:35,623 --> 00:42:36,691
parcel requires development

972
00:42:36,691 --> 00:42:38,691
restrictions and needs.

973
00:42:39,528 --> 00:42:41,797
We are proposing if a property

974
00:42:41,797 --> 00:42:43,832
or business owner has several

975
00:42:43,832 --> 00:42:45,668
different properties that are

976
00:42:45,668 --> 00:42:47,402
adjacent to each other and

977
00:42:47,402 --> 00:42:49,571
operating under the same

978
00:42:49,571 --> 00:42:50,405
organization that they be

979
00:42:50,405 --> 00:42:52,405
planned for together.

980
00:42:53,342 --> 00:42:54,709
And this is a growing sentiment

981
00:42:54,709 --> 00:42:57,109
as professional office space

982
00:42:57,112 --> 00:42:58,480
used to be separated from

983
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:58,681
manufacturing and industrial

984
00:42:58,681 --> 00:43:00,681
uses.

985
00:43:00,749 --> 00:43:02,984
But now we're seeing those

986
00:43:02,984 --> 00:43:05,320
activities come back together.

987
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,424
So this language can be found on

988
00:43:08,424 --> 00:43:10,993
page 19 for the I-1 zone.

989
00:43:10,993 --> 00:43:12,993
Conditions 27 and 28.

990
00:43:14,130 --> 00:43:17,130
Page 28 for the I-2 zone

991
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:19,469
conditions 32 and 33.

992
00:43:19,469 --> 00:43:21,869
The proposed language also

993
00:43:22,571 --> 00:43:23,639
allows for the incorporation of

994
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,541
compatible commercial uses into

995
00:43:25,541 --> 00:43:27,541
the industrial zones,

996
00:43:28,177 --> 00:43:28,911
particularly for food and

997
00:43:28,911 --> 00:43:30,911
beverage producers.

998
00:43:32,281 --> 00:43:34,681
While existing regulations do

999
00:43:34,717 --> 00:43:36,720
allow for manufacturers to sell

1000
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,754
limited sales or products

1001
00:43:38,754 --> 00:43:41,154
produced on-site, it currently

1002
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:42,992
limits the eating and drinking

1003
00:43:42,992 --> 00:43:45,392
of establishments that could

1004
00:43:45,795 --> 00:43:48,698
support a business output and

1005
00:43:48,698 --> 00:43:49,320
possibly produce more tourism

1006
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,634
opportunities.

1007
00:43:50,634 --> 00:43:52,435
So the text amendment allows

1008
00:43:52,435 --> 00:43:54,170
eating and drinking

1009
00:43:54,170 --> 00:43:56,570
establishments when accessory to

1010
00:43:57,807 --> 00:43:59,209
a maximum of 30% of the parcel's

1011
00:43:59,209 --> 00:44:01,209
total floor area.

1012
00:44:02,913 --> 00:44:05,983
And that is located the text is

1013
00:44:05,983 --> 00:44:07,751
on page 20 for the I-1 zone.

1014
00:44:07,751 --> 00:44:10,521
And then lastly, the proposed

1015
00:44:10,521 --> 00:44:11,888
amendment added indoor

1016
00:44:11,888 --> 00:44:13,323
recreational activities as a

1017
00:44:13,323 --> 00:44:14,891
conditional use in the

1018
00:44:14,891 --> 00:44:16,891
industrial zone.

1019
00:44:18,195 --> 00:44:20,595
These activities include indoor

1020
00:44:22,466 --> 00:44:24,702
tennis, soccer, athletic club

1021
00:44:24,702 --> 00:44:25,335
facilities, bowling things like

1022
00:44:25,335 --> 00:44:27,335
that.

1023
00:44:27,837 --> 00:44:28,906
And currently, places of

1024
00:44:28,906 --> 00:44:30,906
religious assembly are

1025
00:44:31,108 --> 00:44:34,108
conditional uses in these zones

1026
00:44:34,111 --> 00:44:36,714
so staff has found that we are

1027
00:44:36,714 --> 00:44:38,182
treating different types of

1028
00:44:38,182 --> 00:44:39,850
assembly differently this

1029
00:44:39,850 --> 00:44:42,420
proposal would allow for both

1030
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:43,420
religious assembly and indoor

1031
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:44,354
recreational activities to be

1032
00:44:44,354 --> 00:44:46,354
treated the same.

1033
00:44:46,724 --> 00:44:48,993
And also allow for the board of

1034
00:44:48,993 --> 00:44:50,528
adjustment to decide if these

1035
00:44:50,528 --> 00:44:53,298
activities are safe to be next

1036
00:44:53,298 --> 00:44:56,298
door to a high industrial

1037
00:44:56,668 --> 00:44:58,668
manufacturing activity.

1038
00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:01,539
So the text for that is located

1039
00:45:01,539 --> 00:45:04,242
an page 7 for the b-4 zone and

1040
00:45:04,242 --> 00:45:07,842
page 23 for the I-1 zone and

1041
00:45:08,913 --> 00:45:10,615
page 33 for the I-2 zone.

1042
00:45:10,615 --> 00:45:12,550
So since we last presented this

1043
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:15,190
item to the planning commission

1044
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:15,487
there are two changeses to the

1045
00:45:15,487 --> 00:45:17,487
proposal.

1046
00:45:18,723 --> 00:45:20,825
The first is which we removed

1047
00:45:20,825 --> 00:45:22,627
any reference to data centers

1048
00:45:22,627 --> 00:45:25,964
and the like that is part of

1049
00:45:25,964 --> 00:45:27,332
urban county council text

1050
00:45:27,332 --> 00:45:29,167
initiated process and I believe

1051
00:45:29,167 --> 00:45:31,536
their public hearing is OCTOBER

1052
00:45:31,536 --> 00:45:33,138
6 at 5:30 here in the council

1053
00:45:33,138 --> 00:45:34,720
can chambers and more

1054
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,720
information can be found about

1055
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:44,613
that process at engage.Lexington

1056
00:45:45,284 --> 00:45:47,190
ky.Gov slash data centers and we

1057
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:49,190
added indoor recreational

1058
00:45:49,121 --> 00:45:51,230
activities as a conditional use.

1059
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:53,826
And when we were gathering input

1060
00:45:53,826 --> 00:45:55,894
and talking to the public about

1061
00:45:55,894 --> 00:45:59,494
this, we received the request to

1062
00:45:59,865 --> 00:46:01,334
add pickleball next to the word

1063
00:46:01,334 --> 00:46:03,368
tennis so pickleball has been

1064
00:46:03,368 --> 00:46:04,970
added to the definition of

1065
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:07,673
indoor activities those are the

1066
00:46:07,673 --> 00:46:10,742
only two changes made since we

1067
00:46:10,742 --> 00:46:12,211
initiated this process.

1068
00:46:12,211 --> 00:46:14,213
So my last slide this afternoon

1069
00:46:14,213 --> 00:46:16,115
is the current timeline and the

1070
00:46:16,115 --> 00:46:17,283
process that the zoning

1071
00:46:17,283 --> 00:46:18,500
ordinance text amendment has

1072
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:20,190
gone through.

1073
00:46:20,190 --> 00:46:21,720
You've seen me at several

1074
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,720
planning commission meetings.

1075
00:46:24,257 --> 00:46:26,292
And over the course of this

1076
00:46:26,292 --> 00:46:27,894
process, staff have reached out

1077
00:46:27,894 --> 00:46:30,294
to engage interested groups

1078
00:46:30,363 --> 00:46:32,365
about this zoning ordinance text

1079
00:46:32,365 --> 00:46:33,566
amendment including meeting with

1080
00:46:33,566 --> 00:46:35,966
businesses, lawyers and commerce

1081
00:46:35,968 --> 00:46:37,303
lexington.

1082
00:46:37,303 --> 00:46:40,206
So we are confident that this

1083
00:46:40,206 --> 00:46:41,974
proposal in front of you all

1084
00:46:41,974 --> 00:46:44,144
today has great insight and will

1085
00:46:44,144 --> 00:46:46,450
allow for a lot of flexibility

1086
00:46:46,450 --> 00:46:48,448
and growth for industrial zones

1087
00:46:48,448 --> 00:46:50,448
here in lexington.

1088
00:46:50,983 --> 00:46:53,921
So with that, staff is

1089
00:46:53,921 --> 00:46:54,187
recommending approval of the

1090
00:46:54,187 --> 00:46:56,187
proposal.

1091
00:46:56,322 --> 00:46:59,625
We hope that this will amendment

1092
00:46:59,625 --> 00:47:01,328
will encourage job and economic

1093
00:47:01,328 --> 00:47:02,729
opportunities and hopefully will

1094
00:47:02,729 --> 00:47:04,864
will allow our industrial land

1095
00:47:04,864 --> 00:47:06,733
to be productive long-term here

1096
00:47:06,733 --> 00:47:08,802
in lexington fayette county.

1097
00:47:08,802 --> 00:47:09,603
With that I'm happy to answer

1098
00:47:09,603 --> 00:47:11,400
any questions.

1099
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,873
The planning commission might

1100
00:47:12,873 --> 00:47:13,730
have and thank you for having me

1101
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:14,575
here.

1102
00:47:14,575 --> 00:47:15,800
>> thank you.

1103
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,710
Commissioner davis?

1104
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:18,478
>> thank you, chair.

1105
00:47:18,478 --> 00:47:20,878
Congratulations, eve I'm sure

1106
00:47:21,282 --> 00:47:21,582
you are glad to have arrived at

1107
00:47:21,582 --> 00:47:23,517
this point.

1108
00:47:23,517 --> 00:47:27,117
It is a lot of work.

1109
00:47:27,921 --> 00:47:28,188
I have two pa dan particular

1110
00:47:28,188 --> 00:47:29,924
questions.

1111
00:47:29,924 --> 00:47:32,924
In our community document it's

1112
00:47:33,930 --> 00:47:36,930
called the blue sky industrial

1113
00:47:36,597 --> 00:47:39,200
zota it only applies to the blue

1114
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,301
sky area but it applies to all

1115
00:47:40,301 --> 00:47:40,567
industrial areas.

1116
00:47:40,567 --> 00:47:41,100
>> yes.

1117
00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:43,100
Thank you.

1118
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,380
We updated the title of the zota

1119
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,380
to industrial zones.

1120
00:47:49,310 --> 00:47:51,912
It does apply to every b-4, I-1

1121
00:47:51,912 --> 00:47:52,413
and 2 zones throughout lexington

1122
00:47:52,413 --> 00:47:54,413
fayette county.

1123
00:47:55,215 --> 00:47:57,852
I was anticipating this question

1124
00:47:57,852 --> 00:47:59,687
I did add a map so you all could

1125
00:47:59,687 --> 00:48:00,821
see where the zones are located

1126
00:48:00,821 --> 00:48:02,821
in lexington.

1127
00:48:05,726 --> 00:48:07,662
So the I apologize for the light

1128
00:48:07,662 --> 00:48:11,262
colors about the b-4 is light

1129
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,102
blue gray, I-1 is pinkish purple

1130
00:48:15,102 --> 00:48:17,338
and the darker purple is I-2.

1131
00:48:17,338 --> 00:48:19,541
>> the other question is about

1132
00:48:19,541 --> 00:48:22,811
the document hal passed out and

1133
00:48:22,811 --> 00:48:24,212
it shows every possible use that

1134
00:48:24,212 --> 00:48:26,212
you could have.

1135
00:48:28,183 --> 00:48:31,783
I'm curious about the ones which

1136
00:48:31,887 --> 00:48:34,287
is junkyard, machinery wrecking

1137
00:48:34,356 --> 00:48:36,157
yard, paper scrap, rail house

1138
00:48:36,157 --> 00:48:38,557
and recycling facility that

1139
00:48:38,726 --> 00:48:41,960
don't have an impact or a use I

1140
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:41,597
was curious what happens to

1141
00:48:41,597 --> 00:48:43,597
those uses?

1142
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:46,468
>> and I apologize I don't have

1143
00:48:46,468 --> 00:48:48,737
that document in front of me.

1144
00:48:48,737 --> 00:48:50,939
But they are separately defined

1145
00:48:50,939 --> 00:48:52,939
in this proposal.

1146
00:48:54,576 --> 00:48:57,460
And also the landfill use is an

1147
00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:57,312
exclusive use zone that is

1148
00:48:57,312 --> 00:48:59,312
separate.

1149
00:49:00,115 --> 00:49:01,283
But once I take a deeper dive I

1150
00:49:01,283 --> 00:49:03,683
can provide more detail.

1151
00:49:06,922 --> 00:49:09,322
>> great I was curious.

1152
00:49:09,524 --> 00:49:11,524
>> any other questions?

1153
00:49:13,362 --> 00:49:15,362
Go ahead.

1154
00:49:16,432 --> 00:49:18,832
>> I have a couple.

1155
00:49:21,404 --> 00:49:23,239
So the couple questions about

1156
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,239
the exhibit a.

1157
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:28,978
The first question would be this

1158
00:49:28,978 --> 00:49:30,847
is not part of what we're

1159
00:49:30,847 --> 00:49:32,215
adopting this is just sort of

1160
00:49:32,215 --> 00:49:34,615
guidelines is that correct?

1161
00:49:36,453 --> 00:49:39,989
This will not be referenced or

1162
00:49:39,989 --> 00:49:40,523
really used for applications, is

1163
00:49:40,523 --> 00:49:42,523
that correct?

1164
00:49:45,228 --> 00:49:47,228
>> that's correct.

1165
00:49:47,397 --> 00:49:50,997
>> because what I see on here

1166
00:49:51,434 --> 00:49:52,368
are examples like brewery for

1167
00:49:52,368 --> 00:49:55,368
example, where we have breweries

1168
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,642
in the I-1 now and I would be

1169
00:49:58,642 --> 00:50:01,420
concerned about making those

1170
00:50:01,878 --> 00:50:03,313
nonconforming or other I-1 uses

1171
00:50:03,313 --> 00:50:05,148
nonconforming where they would

1172
00:50:05,148 --> 00:50:09,348
have to come to a zone change

1173
00:50:10,321 --> 00:50:12,756
for an I-2 to do an expansion or

1174
00:50:12,756 --> 00:50:14,792
modification of their facility.

1175
00:50:14,792 --> 00:50:16,226
And so I guess could you speak

1176
00:50:16,226 --> 00:50:16,493
to that a little bit.

1177
00:50:16,493 --> 00:50:18,493
>> yes.

1178
00:50:18,795 --> 00:50:21,640
I think the current proposal

1179
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:21,331
would handle those as we do

1180
00:50:21,331 --> 00:50:23,331
currently.

1181
00:50:24,701 --> 00:50:25,101
I don't see a change in process

1182
00:50:25,101 --> 00:50:27,101
or consideration.

1183
00:50:29,340 --> 00:50:30,640
>> and MR. Michler hal

1184
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,343
baillie, I want to highlight

1185
00:50:33,343 --> 00:50:35,743
that currently those breweries

1186
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,181
in I-1's are micro breweries

1187
00:50:38,181 --> 00:50:39,316
state designated by the amount

1188
00:50:39,316 --> 00:50:40,951
they are producing,

1189
00:50:40,951 --> 00:50:42,220
manufacturing that is the

1190
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:44,620
difference between a west 6

1191
00:50:45,823 --> 00:50:47,224
brewing and a coors molson

1192
00:50:47,224 --> 00:50:48,826
brewing operation and that would

1193
00:50:48,826 --> 00:50:51,796
be more appropriate in the right

1194
00:50:51,796 --> 00:50:53,464
2 zone because of the amount of

1195
00:50:53,464 --> 00:50:55,464
large-scale distribution.

1196
00:50:56,734 --> 00:50:58,869
>> so you are all not foreseeing

1197
00:50:58,869 --> 00:51:01,869
the existing businesses such as

1198
00:51:02,730 --> 00:51:03,707
your west 6 brewing would be

1199
00:51:03,707 --> 00:51:03,908
made nonconforming by this?

1200
00:51:03,908 --> 00:51:05,908
Okay.

1201
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,100
thank you.

1202
00:51:10,481 --> 00:51:10,682
>> any other questions?

1203
00:51:10,682 --> 00:51:11,382
Okay.

1204
00:51:11,382 --> 00:51:11,716
All right.

1205
00:51:11,716 --> 00:51:13,716
Thank you.

1206
00:51:16,888 --> 00:51:17,789
>> thank you.

1207
00:51:17,789 --> 00:51:19,240
All right.

1208
00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:21,590
Do we have anyone from the

1209
00:51:21,590 --> 00:51:24,659
public who would like to speak

1210
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:36,775
on this zota?

1211
00:51:36,775 --> 00:51:38,276
Amy clark 628 castle.

1212
00:51:38,276 --> 00:51:41,876
I would like to express a

1213
00:51:42,348 --> 00:51:45,348
concern briefly because I don't

1214
00:51:45,383 --> 00:51:45,684
recall see to go discussed as

1215
00:51:45,684 --> 00:51:47,684
yet.

1216
00:51:48,587 --> 00:51:51,587
Our industrial zones are very

1217
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:53,692
valuable zones and when people

1218
00:51:53,692 --> 00:51:56,610
clamored for expansion of the

1219
00:51:56,610 --> 00:51:58,864
urban area one of the concerns

1220
00:51:58,864 --> 00:52:00,399
is we have enough land for

1221
00:52:00,399 --> 00:52:01,735
industrial uses that offer

1222
00:52:01,735 --> 00:52:02,835
really good employment and so

1223
00:52:02,835 --> 00:52:04,835
on.

1224
00:52:12,211 --> 00:52:13,579
I'm looking at uses now like the

1225
00:52:13,579 --> 00:52:16,820
indoor recreation and so on.

1226
00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:17,650
And I wonder if you as a

1227
00:52:17,650 --> 00:52:19,650
commission have really

1228
00:52:20,253 --> 00:52:23,220
considered that the uses now

1229
00:52:23,220 --> 00:52:26,220
proposed and allowed for these

1230
00:52:26,826 --> 00:52:28,294
zones will leave ample room for

1231
00:52:28,294 --> 00:52:30,697
the industrial growth that the

1232
00:52:30,697 --> 00:52:30,896
community as a whole tends to

1233
00:52:30,896 --> 00:52:32,398
want.

1234
00:52:32,398 --> 00:52:34,398
Thank you.

1235
00:52:36,636 --> 00:52:38,636
>> thank you.

1236
00:52:49,820 --> 00:52:51,820
Any other?

1237
00:52:52,185 --> 00:52:53,920
>> [Inaudible] I had the same

1238
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,920
question you had MR. Michler

1239
00:52:57,824 --> 00:52:59,824
about that, too.

1240
00:53:01,161 --> 00:53:04,161
And we have the housing

1241
00:53:04,932 --> 00:53:07,332
requirements for that section.

1242
00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:13,680
Just curious on why do we put a

1243
00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:18,479
year on that if --

1244
00:53:18,479 --> 00:53:21,479
you put 15 years on there.

1245
00:53:22,682 --> 00:53:26,882
Could you give us a page number?

1246
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,920
>> page 9.

1247
00:53:34,228 --> 00:53:36,628
Number d, letter d.

1248
00:53:40,340 --> 00:53:42,603
I give you 20% housing at least

1249
00:53:42,603 --> 00:53:45,603
60% ami for at least 15 years.

1250
00:53:45,606 --> 00:53:48,606
And then you have affordable

1251
00:53:49,343 --> 00:53:51,743
housing for residentials 20% for

1252
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:54,615
affordable housing, 80% ami for

1253
00:53:54,615 --> 00:53:56,615
at least 15 years.

1254
00:53:57,218 --> 00:54:00,218
Affordable housing we need this

1255
00:54:00,554 --> 00:54:02,554
to be indefinite.

1256
00:54:02,623 --> 00:54:03,291
I don't understand why there is

1257
00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:05,291
a year.

1258
00:54:05,326 --> 00:54:07,162
Because that is usually when at

1259
00:54:07,162 --> 00:54:09,263
forwardable housing fund if they

1260
00:54:09,263 --> 00:54:10,932
use the fund money that is when

1261
00:54:10,932 --> 00:54:12,932
it's over with.

1262
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,104
And then we get apartments that

1263
00:54:16,104 --> 00:54:18,473
don't will cause eventually

1264
00:54:18,473 --> 00:54:20,800
displace the to those in those

1265
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,608
houses because they will go to

1266
00:54:33,321 --> 00:54:35,321
market rate.

1267
00:54:36,458 --> 00:54:40,580
There is in that section, we

1268
00:54:41,330 --> 00:54:44,330
have several businesses like the

1269
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:47,703
[Inaudible] You want to remove

1270
00:54:47,703 --> 00:54:47,902
these recycling sections and

1271
00:54:47,902 --> 00:54:49,902
stuff.

1272
00:54:50,272 --> 00:54:51,540
But part of one of those

1273
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:54,210
recycling sections are in that

1274
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:57,210
area on newtown pike that

1275
00:55:00,315 --> 00:55:03,285
usually helps out the community.

1276
00:55:03,285 --> 00:55:05,285
Where was it?

1277
00:55:06,321 --> 00:55:08,657
You put so much in this thing so

1278
00:55:08,657 --> 00:55:11,494
quickly it's like a lot for one

1279
00:55:11,494 --> 00:55:12,929
area.

1280
00:55:12,929 --> 00:55:13,162
Then it's like duplicates in

1281
00:55:13,162 --> 00:55:15,162
this.

1282
00:55:15,297 --> 00:55:17,800
Some of it says it's not and

1283
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,200
some of it says it is and it is

1284
00:55:23,706 --> 00:55:25,341
a duplication of each zone.

1285
00:55:25,341 --> 00:55:27,844
Take the time and relook at

1286
00:55:27,844 --> 00:55:30,379
this, because this you are

1287
00:55:30,379 --> 00:55:31,847
rushing and it is a lot.

1288
00:55:31,847 --> 00:55:33,650
And even a lot for the community

1289
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:35,217
because our business people

1290
00:55:35,217 --> 00:55:36,119
don't even know that they will

1291
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:37,754
be affected by this.

1292
00:55:37,754 --> 00:55:38,254
You say they are not but they

1293
00:55:38,254 --> 00:55:40,890
will.

1294
00:55:40,890 --> 00:55:42,158
And this is the same thing they

1295
00:55:42,158 --> 00:55:45,158
always say that there's not

1296
00:55:45,462 --> 00:55:47,931
going to be effects and it is an

1297
00:55:47,931 --> 00:55:49,565
effect somehow and somebody is

1298
00:55:49,565 --> 00:55:51,434
going to have to come back if I

1299
00:55:51,434 --> 00:55:53,503
want to expand on my business

1300
00:55:53,503 --> 00:55:55,705
how am I going to expand and

1301
00:55:55,705 --> 00:55:56,720
what is it going to cost me as a

1302
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,720
small business?

1303
00:55:58,708 --> 00:56:00,543
>> thank you.

1304
00:56:00,543 --> 00:56:02,543
All right.

1305
00:56:03,113 --> 00:56:07,313
Staff can we get a response to

1306
00:56:12,756 --> 00:56:13,570
any of her concerns.

1307
00:56:13,570 --> 00:56:15,570
>> yes.

1308
00:56:16,861 --> 00:56:19,261
For the question regarding

1309
00:56:19,763 --> 00:56:21,265
indoor recreational activities.

1310
00:56:21,265 --> 00:56:23,665
Currently they are permitted

1311
00:56:23,767 --> 00:56:24,735
uses and we're just moving them

1312
00:56:24,735 --> 00:56:26,735
to conditional.

1313
00:56:26,804 --> 00:56:30,404
Mainly because the intent of the

1314
00:56:30,742 --> 00:56:31,442
I-1 and I-2 zones are for job

1315
00:56:31,442 --> 00:56:33,344
producing activities.

1316
00:56:33,344 --> 00:56:35,613
And we want to make sure that

1317
00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:38,282
those activities can be good

1318
00:56:38,282 --> 00:56:40,682
neighbors should a religious

1319
00:56:42,186 --> 00:56:43,320
assembly or indoor recreational

1320
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,720
activity will take place.

1321
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:48,290
The second question regarding

1322
00:56:48,425 --> 00:56:50,628
adaptive reuse projects staff

1323
00:56:50,628 --> 00:56:51,495
did not touch those special

1324
00:56:51,495 --> 00:56:53,495
provisions.

1325
00:56:54,665 --> 00:56:57,268
We only added clarification as

1326
00:56:57,268 --> 00:57:00,739
you can see on page 9 if there

1327
00:57:00,739 --> 00:57:03,341
was a number such as 80,000

1328
00:57:03,341 --> 00:57:06,341
square feet we wrote out 80,000.

1329
00:57:07,145 --> 00:57:08,446
I was not staff around when the

1330
00:57:08,446 --> 00:57:09,213
adaptive reuse projects was

1331
00:57:09,213 --> 00:57:11,213
passed.

1332
00:57:11,283 --> 00:57:13,985
So I MAY ask for additional

1333
00:57:13,985 --> 00:57:14,719
context but we did not touch

1334
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:14,986
anything regarding that

1335
00:57:14,986 --> 00:57:15,153
activity.

1336
00:57:15,153 --> 00:57:16,955
>>.

1337
00:57:16,955 --> 00:57:18,955
>> just briefly.

1338
00:57:20,625 --> 00:57:22,260
The adaptive reuse project is to

1339
00:57:22,260 --> 00:57:23,461
promote the preservation and

1340
00:57:23,461 --> 00:57:24,296
reuse of buildings in those

1341
00:57:24,296 --> 00:57:25,797
areas.

1342
00:57:25,797 --> 00:57:27,232
However about four years ago we

1343
00:57:27,232 --> 00:57:29,000
had a discussion about how we

1344
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,537
needed to update that zone so

1345
00:57:31,537 --> 00:57:31,803
that we got more out of those

1346
00:57:31,803 --> 00:57:33,104
projects.

1347
00:57:33,104 --> 00:57:34,907
Included with that was the

1348
00:57:34,907 --> 00:57:37,750
provision of the inclusion of

1349
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:38,344
affordable housing projects.

1350
00:57:38,344 --> 00:57:39,711
For a period of time that was

1351
00:57:39,711 --> 00:57:42,113
meant to match some of the

1352
00:57:42,113 --> 00:57:43,415
funding requests that we're

1353
00:57:43,415 --> 00:57:45,384
getting for some of the projects

1354
00:57:45,384 --> 00:57:47,385
to get that included into the

1355
00:57:47,385 --> 00:57:48,721
project.

1356
00:57:48,721 --> 00:57:51,990
However as MS. Miller said we

1357
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:54,260
are not adjusting that at all.

1358
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:56,662
>> and then finally I just

1359
00:57:56,662 --> 00:57:58,564
wanted to add we are fortunate

1360
00:57:58,564 --> 00:58:00,733
during the blue sky small area

1361
00:58:00,733 --> 00:58:01,934
process to speak to hundreds of

1362
00:58:01,934 --> 00:58:04,334
businesses in blue sky.

1363
00:58:04,336 --> 00:58:05,170
As well as stakeholders

1364
00:58:05,170 --> 00:58:05,904
throughout lexington about their

1365
00:58:05,904 --> 00:58:07,904
business.

1366
00:58:09,342 --> 00:58:12,111
And staff is confident and

1367
00:58:12,111 --> 00:58:13,946
hopeful that these proposals

1368
00:58:13,946 --> 00:58:15,347
will allow people to be more

1369
00:58:15,347 --> 00:58:17,316
nreksable and open with their

1370
00:58:17,316 --> 00:58:20,850
business here in lexington to

1371
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:22,485
help our industrial zones.

1372
00:58:23,222 --> 00:58:26,222
The public feedback process was

1373
00:58:26,225 --> 00:58:28,625
very, I guess, comprehensive,

1374
00:58:35,668 --> 00:58:37,668
robust, thank you.

1375
00:58:39,873 --> 00:58:40,173
>> the question about

1376
00:58:40,173 --> 00:58:41,408
repetition.

1377
00:58:41,408 --> 00:58:43,576
Refers back to my discussion

1378
00:58:43,576 --> 00:58:45,576
about nested zoning.

1379
00:58:45,578 --> 00:58:47,547
And when we spoke with business

1380
00:58:47,547 --> 00:58:49,947
owners they didn't understand

1381
00:58:50,350 --> 00:58:53,519
what was allowed in each zone.

1382
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:54,687
So our hope is to by removing

1383
00:58:54,687 --> 00:58:56,687
nested classification that

1384
00:58:56,856 --> 00:58:59,256
property owners, can clearly

1385
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:00,760
understand what is allowed as an

1386
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,729
activity as they are looking to

1387
00:59:02,729 --> 00:59:05,729
bring business or industry here

1388
00:59:08,868 --> 00:59:09,436
in lexington.

1389
00:59:09,436 --> 00:59:11,436
>> all right.

1390
00:59:12,672 --> 00:59:14,672
Thank you.

1391
00:59:19,613 --> 00:59:20,747
Go ahead.

1392
00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:22,747
>> sorry.

1393
00:59:23,884 --> 00:59:25,884
Thank you.

1394
00:59:35,496 --> 00:59:37,970
[Inaudible] Point of

1395
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:39,967
clarification, I guess, it is

1396
00:59:39,967 --> 00:59:42,690
amazing how sometimes we see

1397
00:59:42,690 --> 00:59:44,372
this and all of a sudden

1398
00:59:44,372 --> 00:59:46,741
something pops out at you.

1399
00:59:46,741 --> 00:59:49,741
When the language is mentioned

1400
00:59:53,314 --> 00:59:55,616
as far as and it's read outdoor

1401
00:59:55,616 --> 00:59:57,318
recreational facilities it

1402
00:59:57,318 --> 00:59:59,318
[Inaudible].

1403
01:00:03,357 --> 01:00:06,194
Clarify that as far as buffering

1404
01:00:06,194 --> 01:00:08,194
protections to neighboring

1405
01:00:08,296 --> 01:00:10,965
property and cultural areas et

1406
01:00:10,965 --> 01:00:12,767
cetera, because everybody is

1407
01:00:12,767 --> 01:00:15,570
always heard of the difficulties

1408
01:00:15,570 --> 01:00:19,170
there is there buffering or is

1409
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,800
it truly just incidental and

1410
01:00:24,746 --> 01:00:25,800
subordinate and not any sort of

1411
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,800
a conflict.

1412
01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:28,950
>> are you referring to a

1413
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:30,950
particular page?

1414
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,822
>> it's listed a couple of times

1415
01:00:33,822 --> 01:00:36,570
this is page 7 under the

1416
01:00:36,570 --> 01:00:38,570
conditional uses.

1417
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:40,329
Number 8.

1418
01:00:40,329 --> 01:00:42,329
>> yes.

1419
01:00:42,730 --> 01:00:45,267
As a part of this draft we are

1420
01:00:45,267 --> 01:00:46,802
that changing article 18

1421
01:00:46,802 --> 01:00:48,738
required landscaping or

1422
01:00:48,738 --> 01:00:50,873
buffering so the current

1423
01:00:50,873 --> 01:00:52,174
requirements for that will stay

1424
01:00:52,174 --> 01:00:53,876
the same.

1425
01:00:53,876 --> 01:00:56,876
Regarding an industrial use next

1426
01:00:57,346 --> 01:00:58,130
to a residential or business

1427
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:59,848
zone.

1428
01:00:59,848 --> 01:01:02,118
But the board of adjustment

1429
01:01:02,118 --> 01:01:04,353
during their review should they

1430
01:01:04,353 --> 01:01:05,788
wish to place additional

1431
01:01:05,788 --> 01:01:08,188
buffering with these activities,

1432
01:01:08,624 --> 01:01:08,858
they can do so as part of that

1433
01:01:08,858 --> 01:01:10,858
process.

1434
01:01:12,628 --> 01:01:15,280
>> clarify for everyone, the

1435
01:01:18,668 --> 01:01:21,680
language where it says

1436
01:01:21,337 --> 01:01:22,705
customarily accessory and

1437
01:01:22,705 --> 01:01:24,705
incidental and subordinate.

1438
01:01:26,175 --> 01:01:27,877
Are we talking about the soccer

1439
01:01:27,877 --> 01:01:32,770
complex out on the other side of

1440
01:01:32,815 --> 01:01:33,482
blue sky?

1441
01:01:33,482 --> 01:01:35,882
Or is it --

1442
01:01:36,653 --> 01:01:38,855
>> in that example that is in

1443
01:01:38,855 --> 01:01:41,255
almost all outdoor recreation

1444
01:01:42,759 --> 01:01:45,261
and it has accessory structures.

1445
01:01:45,261 --> 01:01:47,764
So there is a restroom and

1446
01:01:47,764 --> 01:01:49,866
concession stand or there is a

1447
01:01:49,866 --> 01:01:52,266
fieldhouse associated with the

1448
01:01:53,336 --> 01:01:55,572
football field but they are the

1449
01:01:55,572 --> 01:01:56,773
recreation happening is still

1450
01:01:56,773 --> 01:01:58,773
outdoor recreation.

1451
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,644
i think this use is speaking to

1452
01:02:01,644 --> 01:02:03,980
an indoor recreation facility

1453
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:06,383
such as the tennis center so

1454
01:02:06,383 --> 01:02:08,151
they have indoor facilities but

1455
01:02:08,151 --> 01:02:11,151
they also have maybe something

1456
01:02:12,255 --> 01:02:14,357
outside that might be associated

1457
01:02:14,357 --> 01:02:16,357
with that use.

1458
01:02:16,927 --> 01:02:17,461
Again pickleball is a good

1459
01:02:17,461 --> 01:02:19,461
example.

1460
01:02:19,863 --> 01:02:22,800
A lot of people play inside but

1461
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:24,601
there are pickleball courts

1462
01:02:24,601 --> 01:02:26,203
outside this particular use

1463
01:02:26,203 --> 01:02:28,572
would allow the board of

1464
01:02:28,572 --> 01:02:30,410
adjustment to approve a

1465
01:02:30,410 --> 01:02:31,442
pickleball facility and also

1466
01:02:31,442 --> 01:02:34,780
indoor and also allow them to

1467
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:35,110
have a few outdoor courts on

1468
01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:36,414
that same property.

1469
01:02:36,414 --> 01:02:38,814
Does that make sense?

1470
01:02:39,830 --> 01:02:39,283
>> kind of.

1471
01:02:39,283 --> 01:02:40,985
Okay.

1472
01:02:40,985 --> 01:02:42,787
Thank you.

1473
01:02:42,787 --> 01:02:45,187
>> any other questions for

1474
01:02:45,522 --> 01:02:47,191
staff?

1475
01:02:47,191 --> 01:02:48,592
Doesn't look like there are any.

1476
01:02:48,592 --> 01:02:49,260
Thank you.

1477
01:02:49,260 --> 01:02:51,280
All right.

1478
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,628
We'll bring it back to the

1479
01:03:02,707 --> 01:03:04,707
commission.

1480
01:03:05,310 --> 01:03:07,145
>> I was asked to say something

1481
01:03:07,145 --> 01:03:09,145
about page 9.

1482
01:03:09,213 --> 01:03:10,848
Item d.

1483
01:03:10,848 --> 01:03:11,883
Referencing primary land use

1484
01:03:11,883 --> 01:03:14,283
building form and design.

1485
01:03:15,653 --> 01:03:17,989
The numbers you see in 1 and 2

1486
01:03:17,989 --> 01:03:20,392
with percentage of ami that has

1487
01:03:20,392 --> 01:03:21,326
to do with the funding

1488
01:03:21,326 --> 01:03:22,393
mechanisms made available

1489
01:03:22,393 --> 01:03:23,695
through the federal government

1490
01:03:23,695 --> 01:03:25,297
and the state.

1491
01:03:25,297 --> 01:03:25,763
So that's why that is so

1492
01:03:25,763 --> 01:03:27,665
specific.

1493
01:03:27,665 --> 01:03:29,167
So my understanding is they want

1494
01:03:29,167 --> 01:03:29,834
to continue to make that

1495
01:03:29,834 --> 01:03:31,503
possible.

1496
01:03:31,503 --> 01:03:33,338
And that is a way to score

1497
01:03:33,338 --> 01:03:34,206
points in order to improve your

1498
01:03:34,206 --> 01:03:36,206
project.

1499
01:03:36,475 --> 01:03:38,444
So it lines up with the federal

1500
01:03:38,444 --> 01:03:40,844
and state regulations for

1501
01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:42,848
affordable housing.

1502
01:03:42,848 --> 01:03:45,248
>> thank you for that

1503
01:03:47,453 --> 01:03:49,453
clarification.

1504
01:03:52,991 --> 01:03:55,391
Ready for a motion?

1505
01:03:57,329 --> 01:03:58,698
>> I'd like to move to approve

1506
01:03:58,698 --> 01:04:00,499
pln-zota 26-9 the update to

1507
01:04:00,499 --> 01:04:02,499
industrial zones.

1508
01:04:04,337 --> 01:04:04,536
>> seconded by commissioner

1509
01:04:04,536 --> 01:04:06,536
davis.

1510
01:04:48,915 --> 01:04:51,315
All right let's vote.

1511
01:05:00,294 --> 01:05:02,294
All right.

1512
01:05:02,629 --> 01:05:05,290
Whenever you are ready.

1513
01:05:05,332 --> 01:05:06,660
>> good afternoon commission

1514
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:08,660
members.

1515
01:05:08,268 --> 01:05:09,903
I'm boyd sewe.

1516
01:05:09,903 --> 01:05:12,380
Principle planner with the

1517
01:05:12,380 --> 01:05:14,700
long-range planning I'm here to

1518
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,344
present to you the downtown area

1519
01:05:17,344 --> 01:05:18,110
master plan zoning text

1520
01:05:18,110 --> 01:05:20,110
amendment.

1521
01:05:21,682 --> 01:05:23,951
This was was a result of the

1522
01:05:23,951 --> 01:05:25,520
downtown area master plan one of

1523
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,820
the recommendations was to

1524
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:30,420
update our business zones in the

1525
01:05:30,757 --> 01:05:33,227
downtown area the b2, b2a and

1526
01:05:33,227 --> 01:05:35,496
b2b zones and this is a

1527
01:05:35,496 --> 01:05:37,896
regulatory action from that

1528
01:05:37,898 --> 01:05:39,967
downtown area master plan.

1529
01:05:39,967 --> 01:05:41,469
We've met with the community.

1530
01:05:41,469 --> 01:05:43,671
We've met planning commission.

1531
01:05:43,671 --> 01:05:45,439
We've met with the development

1532
01:05:45,439 --> 01:05:48,309
groups and they've reviewed the

1533
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:50,545
text we have and we've refined

1534
01:05:50,545 --> 01:05:52,790
and thus what we are presenting

1535
01:05:52,790 --> 01:05:56,279
to you today we are moving from

1536
01:05:58,185 --> 01:06:00,855
the master plan to the

1537
01:06:00,855 --> 01:06:03,255
implementation phase of this.

1538
01:06:06,127 --> 01:06:08,897
So as I mentioned this plan was

1539
01:06:08,897 --> 01:06:12,497
adopted, on JULY of this year.

1540
01:06:12,567 --> 01:06:14,636
And after that on AUGUST 3 we

1541
01:06:14,636 --> 01:06:16,604
filed the zota to make these

1542
01:06:16,604 --> 01:06:18,105
changes and from that we've been

1543
01:06:18,105 --> 01:06:20,505
meeting with the public.

1544
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:22,811
We've shared the text with the

1545
01:06:22,811 --> 01:06:24,811
neighborhood associations.

1546
01:06:28,416 --> 01:06:30,185
We have met with land attorneys,

1547
01:06:30,185 --> 01:06:32,221
we've met with developers and

1548
01:06:32,221 --> 01:06:35,821
made changes with this and today

1549
01:06:36,758 --> 01:06:38,560
we are here before you to

1550
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,861
present this text for you for

1551
01:06:39,861 --> 01:06:41,861
your consideration.

1552
01:06:44,233 --> 01:06:47,833
This is likely moving fast but

1553
01:06:48,737 --> 01:06:51,173
we continued to take comments

1554
01:06:51,173 --> 01:06:54,773
and the document before you is

1555
01:06:55,310 --> 01:06:58,470
to our staff's knowledge the

1556
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:59,682
best possible text we can

1557
01:06:59,682 --> 01:07:01,682
present to you.

1558
01:07:01,717 --> 01:07:04,954
So what has changed since we

1559
01:07:04,954 --> 01:07:07,255
presented the original text on

1560
01:07:07,255 --> 01:07:09,255
AUGUST the third?

1561
01:07:09,891 --> 01:07:12,795
We've had feedback that resulted

1562
01:07:12,795 --> 01:07:14,263
in changes.

1563
01:07:14,263 --> 01:07:16,263
We can --

1564
01:07:16,765 --> 01:07:17,199
we've clarified the height of

1565
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:19,199
buildings.

1566
01:07:19,335 --> 01:07:21,838
We added something new that

1567
01:07:21,838 --> 01:07:25,438
wasn't there before which is the

1568
01:07:26,609 --> 01:07:29,780
height minimum for this zones.

1569
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:31,313
This height changes does not

1570
01:07:31,313 --> 01:07:33,160
affect existing buildings,

1571
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,416
additions or adaptive reuse,

1572
01:07:36,952 --> 01:07:39,952
then we've also looked into

1573
01:07:40,857 --> 01:07:42,857
parking more flexible.

1574
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:44,894
We've added active depth to our

1575
01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:47,864
parking this helps with the

1576
01:07:47,864 --> 01:07:49,864
activating the street.

1577
01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:54,467
We've refined some of the uses

1578
01:07:55,304 --> 01:07:57,940
in the existing text ordinance.

1579
01:07:57,940 --> 01:08:00,778
And then if you compare the

1580
01:08:00,778 --> 01:08:04,378
first draft and what is before

1581
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:06,783
you today, we had rideshare,

1582
01:08:06,783 --> 01:08:08,685
loading, delivery areas added to

1583
01:08:08,685 --> 01:08:10,120
new developments but that has

1584
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,322
been taken off after having

1585
01:08:12,322 --> 01:08:12,589
discussions with the development

1586
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:14,589
community.

1587
01:08:14,925 --> 01:08:16,593
The overall direction of this

1588
01:08:16,593 --> 01:08:18,462
text amendment stays the same.

1589
01:08:18,462 --> 01:08:22,620
There might be changes we we

1590
01:08:23,267 --> 01:08:25,536
still have the same goal.

1591
01:08:25,536 --> 01:08:27,437
In talking with community we

1592
01:08:27,437 --> 01:08:30,437
heard the process was moving

1593
01:08:30,707 --> 01:08:32,707
pretty fast.

1594
01:08:32,810 --> 01:08:33,977
We had the ltses hitds and

1595
01:08:33,977 --> 01:08:36,313
discussed that people were

1596
01:08:36,313 --> 01:08:36,547
concerned why we are making the

1597
01:08:36,547 --> 01:08:38,349
changes.

1598
01:08:38,349 --> 01:08:40,170
And discussion of open space and

1599
01:08:40,170 --> 01:08:41,352
green space in our downtown

1600
01:08:41,352 --> 01:08:42,520
areas and how we could improve

1601
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,520
on those.

1602
01:08:46,190 --> 01:08:47,859
And then also been discussions

1603
01:08:47,859 --> 01:08:50,461
of auto oriented uses in our

1604
01:08:50,461 --> 01:08:51,496
downtown area why we were taking

1605
01:08:51,496 --> 01:08:53,798
out some of those.

1606
01:08:53,798 --> 01:08:57,398
All that has come from talking

1607
01:08:59,437 --> 01:09:01,437
to the public.

1608
01:09:03,274 --> 01:09:05,910
By the end of this I hope I can

1609
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:08,910
convince you why this changes

1610
01:09:09,347 --> 01:09:12,347
were important the zoning text

1611
01:09:12,784 --> 01:09:13,500
amendment and the building

1612
01:09:13,500 --> 01:09:15,500
minimums.

1613
01:09:15,887 --> 01:09:18,656
We have 48 feet maximum for the

1614
01:09:18,656 --> 01:09:20,191
b2 and b2b.

1615
01:09:20,191 --> 01:09:22,728
And then we have minimum and

1616
01:09:22,728 --> 01:09:23,995
then we have no maximum height

1617
01:09:23,995 --> 01:09:26,395
for those two zones.

1618
01:09:26,964 --> 01:09:29,000
When it came to the b2a,

1619
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,468
considered a transitional zone

1620
01:09:30,468 --> 01:09:33,468
because of the proximity to

1621
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,841
residential areas, we capped the

1622
01:09:36,841 --> 01:09:39,841
height at 144 feet and the

1623
01:09:40,278 --> 01:09:42,781
minimum was capped at 36 feet.

1624
01:09:42,781 --> 01:09:45,830
Once again, this building

1625
01:09:45,830 --> 01:09:45,551
heights are not affect existing

1626
01:09:45,551 --> 01:09:47,551
buildings.

1627
01:09:48,687 --> 01:09:51,687
It doesn't affect adaptive reuse

1628
01:09:52,224 --> 01:09:55,224
and it doesn't affect additions.

1629
01:09:55,860 --> 01:09:59,398
When it came to the b2a, the

1630
01:09:59,398 --> 01:10:02,000
reason for why we went with

1631
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,870
capping the having a minimum

1632
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:06,572
height of 36 and then having a

1633
01:10:06,572 --> 01:10:09,572
transition whenever you are next

1634
01:10:11,177 --> 01:10:12,578
to a neighborhood was so that we

1635
01:10:12,578 --> 01:10:14,447
don't have super tall buildings

1636
01:10:14,447 --> 01:10:16,282
next to the neighborhood.

1637
01:10:16,282 --> 01:10:19,819
And we wanted to change that in

1638
01:10:19,819 --> 01:10:21,320
a way that reflects future use

1639
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,920
not current use of that area

1640
01:10:25,325 --> 01:10:26,920
between the b2a and the

1641
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,920
residential zones.

1642
01:10:28,961 --> 01:10:31,664
So we capped it at this step

1643
01:10:31,664 --> 01:10:33,934
down would be the maximum height

1644
01:10:33,934 --> 01:10:34,100
of the residential zone next to

1645
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:36,100
it.

1646
01:10:36,469 --> 01:10:39,472
When that is done, it covers a

1647
01:10:39,472 --> 01:10:41,340
few things according to staff.

1648
01:10:41,340 --> 01:10:43,343
The creditability of future use

1649
01:10:43,343 --> 01:10:45,743
for that maximum height.

1650
01:10:48,781 --> 01:10:50,517
The consistency of having step

1651
01:10:50,517 --> 01:10:53,860
down height depending on the

1652
01:10:53,860 --> 01:10:54,921
zoning we're dealing with and

1653
01:10:54,921 --> 01:10:56,560
that there is duerability over

1654
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:57,724
time.

1655
01:10:57,724 --> 01:11:00,560
If let's say a developer from

1656
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:02,663
out of town instead of coming in

1657
01:11:02,663 --> 01:11:06,330
to look at the site and all that

1658
01:11:06,330 --> 01:11:07,801
you know where your step down

1659
01:11:07,801 --> 01:11:09,236
would be you have a rough idea

1660
01:11:09,236 --> 01:11:11,471
where your starting point is.

1661
01:11:11,471 --> 01:11:12,973
We also looked into our parking

1662
01:11:12,973 --> 01:11:15,542
as we know downtown needs

1663
01:11:15,542 --> 01:11:16,943
parking we need parking in our

1664
01:11:16,943 --> 01:11:19,312
downtown area we are not getting

1665
01:11:19,312 --> 01:11:21,881
rid of parking we moved surface

1666
01:11:21,881 --> 01:11:24,881
parking from principle use stand

1667
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,621
alone parking from a principle

1668
01:11:27,621 --> 01:11:29,756
use to accessory use.

1669
01:11:29,756 --> 01:11:32,250
We also moved the location.

1670
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:35,250
The original text had the

1671
01:11:36,196 --> 01:11:38,732
location of the accessory use

1672
01:11:38,732 --> 01:11:39,533
parking in the area of principle

1673
01:11:39,533 --> 01:11:41,100
use buildings and after

1674
01:11:41,100 --> 01:11:43,370
discussions with the developers,

1675
01:11:43,370 --> 01:11:45,773
it was decided that the best way

1676
01:11:45,773 --> 01:11:47,741
to go about this because of the

1677
01:11:47,741 --> 01:11:50,945
lot types and sizes we have

1678
01:11:50,945 --> 01:11:54,545
within our downtown area was to

1679
01:11:55,150 --> 01:11:57,752
have it in line with the

1680
01:11:57,752 --> 01:11:59,920
principle building primary wall.

1681
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,991
That was also capped and go

1682
01:12:02,991 --> 01:12:04,992
through the text at one space

1683
01:12:04,992 --> 01:12:06,992
per 20,000 square feet.

1684
01:12:07,728 --> 01:12:09,530
And then after that we looked at

1685
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:11,165
the existing structure parking

1686
01:12:11,165 --> 01:12:13,334
and future structured parking

1687
01:12:13,334 --> 01:12:15,470
that is still a principle use in

1688
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:18,470
our downtown areas the three

1689
01:12:20,475 --> 01:12:24,679
zones b2, b2a and b2b and we had

1690
01:12:24,679 --> 01:12:26,679
addition after discussions 20

1691
01:12:28,349 --> 01:12:29,884
feet of non-parking for we call

1692
01:12:29,884 --> 01:12:31,453
that active depth.

1693
01:12:31,453 --> 01:12:34,990
The reason we have this is so

1694
01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:36,792
that a building by itself cannot

1695
01:12:36,792 --> 01:12:38,893
activate the street it what goes

1696
01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:39,694
on in the building that

1697
01:12:39,694 --> 01:12:41,694
activates the street.

1698
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,134
If we have the depth we can have

1699
01:12:45,134 --> 01:12:47,502
coffee shops and retail and

1700
01:12:47,502 --> 01:12:48,470
these are things that can

1701
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:50,470
activate the street.

1702
01:12:51,507 --> 01:12:53,175
When it came to some of the uses

1703
01:12:53,175 --> 01:12:54,810
we updated the ladies and

1704
01:12:54,810 --> 01:12:57,810
gentlemen because some of the

1705
01:12:58,981 --> 01:13:00,582
uses when they ordinance was

1706
01:13:00,582 --> 01:13:02,117
written, they directed most of

1707
01:13:02,117 --> 01:13:04,620
this to specific business uses.

1708
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:05,354
Since then we know that business

1709
01:13:05,354 --> 01:13:07,354
have changed.

1710
01:13:07,523 --> 01:13:09,825
You can have a retail business

1711
01:13:09,825 --> 01:13:12,225
that also provides entertainment

1712
01:13:12,562 --> 01:13:13,963
that also provides wholesale and

1713
01:13:13,963 --> 01:13:14,897
manufactures some of those

1714
01:13:14,897 --> 01:13:16,498
products that they have within

1715
01:13:16,498 --> 01:13:18,498
that building.

1716
01:13:18,801 --> 01:13:20,336
So all this instead of

1717
01:13:20,336 --> 01:13:22,336
regulating it individual

1718
01:13:22,404 --> 01:13:24,239
business we changed the language

1719
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:26,108
where we regulate the impact it

1720
01:13:26,108 --> 01:13:26,742
has on land use and not the

1721
01:13:26,742 --> 01:13:28,742
exact business.

1722
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:29,211
That is some of the changes we

1723
01:13:29,211 --> 01:13:31,211
heard.

1724
01:13:31,547 --> 01:13:35,147
Then when it came to auto

1725
01:13:35,685 --> 01:13:37,486
oriented uses we limited those

1726
01:13:37,486 --> 01:13:39,210
and auto oriented uses as you

1727
01:13:39,210 --> 01:13:42,210
know the downtown area master

1728
01:13:42,458 --> 01:13:44,293
plan calls for having a more

1729
01:13:44,293 --> 01:13:46,762
walkable downtown and to have a

1730
01:13:46,762 --> 01:13:49,762
more walkable downtown we have

1731
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:54,804
to limit use of some of our land

1732
01:13:54,804 --> 01:13:55,305
when it comes to auto oriented

1733
01:13:55,305 --> 01:13:57,305
spaces.

1734
01:13:58,575 --> 01:14:00,676
And then also working on this we

1735
01:14:00,676 --> 01:14:02,912
looked at the public realm and

1736
01:14:02,912 --> 01:14:05,820
some of the things we did to

1737
01:14:05,820 --> 01:14:06,783
encourage this was we moved our

1738
01:14:06,783 --> 01:14:09,253
buildings closer to the street.

1739
01:14:09,253 --> 01:14:12,550
So we move we have a minimum

1740
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:14,910
maximum setback of 10 feet.

1741
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:17,327
But that can be moved to 20 feet

1742
01:14:17,327 --> 01:14:21,331
if you use that space for things

1743
01:14:21,331 --> 01:14:23,266
like plazas, buried utilities

1744
01:14:23,266 --> 01:14:24,535
and offering dining areas

1745
01:14:24,535 --> 01:14:26,935
outside the building, drop-off

1746
01:14:27,104 --> 01:14:28,500
areas you can move the setback

1747
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:30,500
to 20 feet.

1748
01:14:31,308 --> 01:14:34,308
Once again, active depth helps

1749
01:14:35,578 --> 01:14:38,578
to encourage that public realm.

1750
01:14:39,383 --> 01:14:40,884
And then what this does it

1751
01:14:40,884 --> 01:14:43,284
creates room for people.

1752
01:14:43,788 --> 01:14:46,788
Buildings and the downtown area

1753
01:14:46,791 --> 01:14:48,792
becomes more public realm.

1754
01:14:48,792 --> 01:14:50,940
But is encouraging that

1755
01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:52,940
connection between private

1756
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:54,398
development and the public

1757
01:14:54,398 --> 01:14:56,200
street.

1758
01:14:56,200 --> 01:15:00,400
So the three zones that we are

1759
01:15:01,972 --> 01:15:04,475
looking at b2, b2a and b2b with

1760
01:15:04,475 --> 01:15:06,611
three different zones and

1761
01:15:06,611 --> 01:15:08,580
different roles and some things

1762
01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:10,314
are allowed but all tailored to

1763
01:15:10,314 --> 01:15:12,314
each specific zone.

1764
01:15:13,318 --> 01:15:14,185
We know that the b2 is more

1765
01:15:14,185 --> 01:15:16,185
about high density.

1766
01:15:19,957 --> 01:15:21,259
We though the b2a which enables

1767
01:15:21,259 --> 01:15:22,794
residential areas that is more

1768
01:15:22,794 --> 01:15:25,330
about the transition in scale

1769
01:15:25,330 --> 01:15:27,599
and the b2b, a lexington

1770
01:15:27,599 --> 01:15:30,599
downtown business that is more

1771
01:15:30,802 --> 01:15:32,802
about culture, entertainment,

1772
01:15:32,971 --> 01:15:35,371
and destination for people

1773
01:15:35,373 --> 01:15:36,441
within lexington and people from

1774
01:15:36,441 --> 01:15:37,809
outside lexington.

1775
01:15:37,809 --> 01:15:39,277
There might be principles that

1776
01:15:39,277 --> 01:15:42,877
run through the three of them,

1777
01:15:43,415 --> 01:15:45,884
but if you go deep into the text

1778
01:15:45,884 --> 01:15:49,321
they are tailored to the context

1779
01:15:49,321 --> 01:15:51,721
of those three zones.

1780
01:15:53,158 --> 01:15:55,293
So with that staff recommends

1781
01:15:55,293 --> 01:15:58,293
approval of this text amendment

1782
01:15:58,831 --> 01:16:00,799
due to the fact that it is an

1783
01:16:00,799 --> 01:16:03,199
implementation from the downtown

1784
01:16:03,235 --> 01:16:05,235
area master plan.

1785
01:16:05,804 --> 01:16:08,874
It creates three zones with each

1786
01:16:08,874 --> 01:16:10,420
with its own unique uses t

1787
01:16:10,420 --> 01:16:11,977
expands opportunity for

1788
01:16:11,977 --> 01:16:14,346
developers and businesses and

1789
01:16:14,346 --> 01:16:15,981
also housing diversity where we

1790
01:16:15,981 --> 01:16:17,283
can have more people move into

1791
01:16:17,283 --> 01:16:19,283
our downtown area.

1792
01:16:20,152 --> 01:16:22,552
It encourages reinvestments and

1793
01:16:23,522 --> 01:16:23,789
it modernizes our zoning

1794
01:16:23,789 --> 01:16:25,789
ordinance.

1795
01:16:26,959 --> 01:16:28,961
It also helps build an urban

1796
01:16:28,961 --> 01:16:31,961
form within our downtown area.

1797
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:34,000
And then the overall consistency

1798
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:35,668
in what the proposed language is

1799
01:16:35,668 --> 01:16:36,902
and the downtown area master

1800
01:16:36,902 --> 01:16:38,902
plan.

1801
01:16:40,106 --> 01:16:42,442
so these are the findings for

1802
01:16:42,442 --> 01:16:45,442
approval in it originated from

1803
01:16:46,278 --> 01:16:48,314
our adopted area master plan

1804
01:16:48,314 --> 01:16:50,314
encourages compact developments

1805
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:54,788
and modernizes the uses in our

1806
01:16:54,788 --> 01:16:57,323
downtown area, it works for our

1807
01:16:57,323 --> 01:16:58,758
street environment where we have

1808
01:16:58,758 --> 01:17:00,493
better street to building

1809
01:17:00,493 --> 01:17:04,930
interface and we encourage a lot

1810
01:17:04,263 --> 01:17:05,332
of walkability and the use of

1811
01:17:05,332 --> 01:17:07,332
our public spaces.

1812
01:17:09,102 --> 01:17:11,804
And then as I said, this

1813
01:17:11,804 --> 01:17:12,773
findings bring together the

1814
01:17:12,773 --> 01:17:14,773
staff's recommendations.

1815
01:17:15,476 --> 01:17:15,742
With that I will take any

1816
01:17:15,742 --> 01:17:17,742
questions.

1817
01:17:18,311 --> 01:17:18,645
>> any questions for staff?

1818
01:17:18,645 --> 01:17:19,746
Commissioner?

1819
01:17:19,746 --> 01:17:20,247
>> yes, thank you for your

1820
01:17:20,247 --> 01:17:22,247
presentation.

1821
01:17:22,315 --> 01:17:24,217
I have a question on some

1822
01:17:24,217 --> 01:17:26,320
highlighted added text on page

1823
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,320
12 of 20.

1824
01:17:29,220 --> 01:17:30,156
>> MR. Nicol that is not the

1825
01:17:30,156 --> 01:17:31,691
language presented as of yet.

1826
01:17:31,691 --> 01:17:33,460
I believe that is language that

1827
01:17:33,460 --> 01:17:35,562
MR. Michler will be talking

1828
01:17:35,562 --> 01:17:37,297
about here in a little bit we

1829
01:17:37,297 --> 01:17:37,631
are focused on the staff's

1830
01:17:37,631 --> 01:17:39,631
presentation.

1831
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:40,601
>> okay.

1832
01:17:40,601 --> 01:17:42,360
Good.

1833
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,303
Good, thank you very much.

1834
01:17:43,303 --> 01:17:45,303
>> commissioner davis?

1835
01:17:46,707 --> 01:17:48,707
>> thank you, chair.

1836
01:17:50,477 --> 01:17:53,647
Boyd, is there a reason that the

1837
01:17:53,647 --> 01:17:55,349
words should are used twice to

1838
01:17:55,349 --> 01:17:58,349
define the three downtown zones

1839
01:17:59,286 --> 01:18:01,755
in terms of what they should

1840
01:18:01,755 --> 01:18:03,957
coordinate with dot, dot, dot.

1841
01:18:03,957 --> 01:18:07,295
And they should be in accordance

1842
01:18:07,295 --> 01:18:10,295
with the goals and objectives

1843
01:18:12,299 --> 01:18:15,937
and should that not be a shall.

1844
01:18:15,937 --> 01:18:17,338
>> those are located in the

1845
01:18:17,338 --> 01:18:18,773
intense section are meant to

1846
01:18:18,773 --> 01:18:20,775
guide the zone change process as

1847
01:18:20,775 --> 01:18:22,343
well as the development in those

1848
01:18:22,343 --> 01:18:24,445
areas but are not restricted in

1849
01:18:24,445 --> 01:18:25,513
the same sense as the rest of

1850
01:18:25,513 --> 01:18:28,116
the article it's supposed to

1851
01:18:28,116 --> 01:18:28,416
frame what comes with the

1852
01:18:28,416 --> 01:18:30,416
regulation.

1853
01:18:30,485 --> 01:18:31,486
So starts with a should and we

1854
01:18:31,486 --> 01:18:32,954
move quickly into the body of

1855
01:18:32,954 --> 01:18:35,590
the text with the principle uses

1856
01:18:35,590 --> 01:18:35,856
and that is where the shalls are

1857
01:18:35,856 --> 01:18:36,491
required.

1858
01:18:36,491 --> 01:18:38,491
>> all right.

1859
01:18:38,926 --> 01:18:40,926
Thank you.

1860
01:18:41,329 --> 01:18:43,729
>> any other questions for

1861
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:45,660
staff?

1862
01:18:45,660 --> 01:18:47,660
>> yes.

1863
01:18:48,136 --> 01:18:52,336
We do have a copy here with

1864
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,408
highlighted text which staff

1865
01:18:56,678 --> 01:19:00,278
wrote after a meeting I had.

1866
01:19:01,883 --> 01:19:04,219
Is that something you're going

1867
01:19:04,219 --> 01:19:05,421
to put up and talk about or is

1868
01:19:05,421 --> 01:19:08,256
that something you are going to

1869
01:19:08,256 --> 01:19:10,693
do at a different point in this

1870
01:19:10,693 --> 01:19:11,600
presentation or is that

1871
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:12,828
something that.

1872
01:19:12,828 --> 01:19:13,996
>> MR. Michler that is

1873
01:19:13,996 --> 01:19:16,732
something you would present this

1874
01:19:16,732 --> 01:19:18,734
is your proposed language.

1875
01:19:18,734 --> 01:19:20,503
After the public comment and

1876
01:19:20,503 --> 01:19:23,380
some of the rebuttals then it

1877
01:19:23,380 --> 01:19:24,440
would be your opportunity to go

1878
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:26,174
ahead and bring forth extra

1879
01:19:26,174 --> 01:19:29,780
language and we can put that on

1880
01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:30,212
the screen and you all have

1881
01:19:30,212 --> 01:19:30,913
copies of it as well.

1882
01:19:30,913 --> 01:19:32,314
>> thank you.

1883
01:19:32,314 --> 01:19:33,749
>> all right.

1884
01:19:33,749 --> 01:19:35,351
Do we have any other questions

1885
01:19:35,351 --> 01:19:36,819
for staff at this point?

1886
01:19:36,819 --> 01:19:37,452
All right.

1887
01:19:37,452 --> 01:19:39,452
Thank you.

1888
01:19:41,323 --> 01:19:41,991
We will go ahead with public

1889
01:19:41,991 --> 01:19:43,991
comment.

1890
01:19:44,293 --> 01:19:47,363
Anyone from the public like to

1891
01:19:47,363 --> 01:19:48,798
comment on this zota at it

1892
01:19:48,798 --> 01:19:50,798
stands?

1893
01:19:56,572 --> 01:19:58,572
As it stands?

1894
01:19:58,874 --> 01:20:00,743
>> walt gaffe field the

1895
01:20:00,743 --> 01:20:01,644
PRESIDENT Of the fayette county

1896
01:20:01,644 --> 01:20:03,644
10th council.

1897
01:20:04,514 --> 01:20:07,684
I will be talking about the

1898
01:20:07,684 --> 01:20:09,684
ambiguities in the 2047

1899
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,122
comprehensive plan and how the

1900
01:20:12,122 --> 01:20:14,290
existing language we don't have

1901
01:20:14,290 --> 01:20:16,359
new language and haven't seen

1902
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:19,929
it, we don't really want some of

1903
01:20:19,929 --> 01:20:20,630
the language to expand into new

1904
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:22,630
areas.

1905
01:20:22,632 --> 01:20:24,434
Neighborhoods in the plan for

1906
01:20:24,434 --> 01:20:27,434
possible later expansion to the

1907
01:20:29,339 --> 01:20:33,344
urban frame b2a did not know

1908
01:20:33,344 --> 01:20:34,344
what james comey with b2a, the

1909
01:20:34,344 --> 01:20:36,547
neighborhoods asked not to be

1910
01:20:36,547 --> 01:20:37,647
included in downtown.

1911
01:20:37,647 --> 01:20:40,647
The georgetown street asked not

1912
01:20:40,650 --> 01:20:41,552
to be included and partially

1913
01:20:41,552 --> 01:20:43,552
included anyway.

1914
01:20:44,989 --> 01:20:45,856
People on fourth street thought

1915
01:20:45,856 --> 01:20:47,791
the boundary was third street

1916
01:20:47,791 --> 01:20:49,660
and it changed to fourth street.

1917
01:20:49,660 --> 01:20:52,562
Do you think that neighborhoods

1918
01:20:52,562 --> 01:20:55,766
would be positive about being on

1919
01:20:55,766 --> 01:20:57,368
a map for a downtown area if

1920
01:20:57,368 --> 01:20:59,203
they knew that short-term

1921
01:20:59,203 --> 01:20:59,736
rentals would then become a

1922
01:20:59,736 --> 01:21:01,736
principle use?

1923
01:21:02,173 --> 01:21:03,807
I don't think so.

1924
01:21:03,807 --> 01:21:06,207
When downtown expansion occurs

1925
01:21:06,377 --> 01:21:08,512
it should be in context with the

1926
01:21:08,512 --> 01:21:10,512
surrounding residential areas.

1927
01:21:10,882 --> 01:21:12,550
It does not mean that height and

1928
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:14,819
mass should not increase.

1929
01:21:14,819 --> 01:21:15,520
Everybody knows it needs to and

1930
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,421
should.

1931
01:21:16,421 --> 01:21:18,550
However, neither should it mean

1932
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:20,291
that height and mass should be

1933
01:21:20,291 --> 01:21:22,160
unlimited or context does not

1934
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,462
matter if decision makers want

1935
01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:25,797
to create a new context that

1936
01:21:25,797 --> 01:21:28,797
specifically in language and it

1937
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:30,234
shouldn't be there.

1938
01:21:30,234 --> 01:21:31,636
It's either contextual or it

1939
01:21:31,636 --> 01:21:33,380
isn't.

1940
01:21:33,380 --> 01:21:35,438
The placebuilder needs revision

1941
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,677
and should not include high

1942
01:21:38,677 --> 01:21:39,277
density mixed-use in or near a

1943
01:21:39,277 --> 01:21:40,278
residential area.

1944
01:21:40,278 --> 01:21:42,278
Placebuilder states that

1945
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,949
development should be in context

1946
01:21:43,949 --> 01:21:45,617
unless decision makers want to

1947
01:21:45,617 --> 01:21:48,320
change to a new context but

1948
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,890
there is no explanation for what

1949
01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:51,690
causes that.

1950
01:21:51,690 --> 01:21:53,692
Major corridors will have the

1951
01:21:53,692 --> 01:21:56,295
same problem because of existing

1952
01:21:56,295 --> 01:21:57,629
language in the corridor note

1953
01:21:57,629 --> 01:21:59,531
zone.

1954
01:21:59,531 --> 01:22:01,767
Recent zone change provides an

1955
01:22:01,767 --> 01:22:03,535
example of the corridor node

1956
01:22:03,535 --> 01:22:05,204
zone in practice and that didn't

1957
01:22:05,204 --> 01:22:06,805
work very well.

1958
01:22:06,805 --> 01:22:09,805
Major increases in height and

1959
01:22:10,342 --> 01:22:12,478
mass will lead to gentrification

1960
01:22:12,478 --> 01:22:14,246
and replacement issues.

1961
01:22:14,246 --> 01:22:15,470
Developers will look for less

1962
01:22:15,470 --> 01:22:16,748
expensive land.

1963
01:22:16,748 --> 01:22:19,218
The addition of minimum heights

1964
01:22:19,218 --> 01:22:21,200
in the downtown area will harm

1965
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,821
small businesses and reduce

1966
01:22:22,821 --> 01:22:23,622
services for downtown

1967
01:22:23,622 --> 01:22:24,990
neighborhoods in the long-term,

1968
01:22:24,990 --> 01:22:26,990
I think.

1969
01:22:28,127 --> 01:22:30,830
And number of cities do not have

1970
01:22:30,830 --> 01:22:32,665
minimum heights or have much

1971
01:22:32,665 --> 01:22:33,332
smaller minimums and frame

1972
01:22:33,332 --> 01:22:34,934
areas.

1973
01:22:34,934 --> 01:22:36,535
The reduction in street parking

1974
01:22:36,535 --> 01:22:38,705
in downtown will be a major

1975
01:22:38,705 --> 01:22:40,206
problem if not offset with

1976
01:22:40,206 --> 01:22:42,206
parking in structures.

1977
01:22:42,809 --> 01:22:45,110
Public transit needs to improve

1978
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:46,579
dramatically if people are to

1979
01:22:46,579 --> 01:22:48,579
actually use it.

1980
01:22:48,948 --> 01:22:50,616
The approval of a zoning

1981
01:22:50,616 --> 01:22:52,118
ordinance text amendment should

1982
01:22:52,118 --> 01:22:53,353
be postponed today to allow the

1983
01:22:53,353 --> 01:22:55,753
public the planning commission

1984
01:22:56,422 --> 01:22:58,324
and the urban county council to

1985
01:22:58,324 --> 01:23:00,260
provide adequate oversight and

1986
01:23:00,260 --> 01:23:02,426
arrive at better solutions.

1987
01:23:02,695 --> 01:23:03,129
Thank you very hutch.

1988
01:23:03,129 --> 01:23:05,129
Much.

1989
01:23:17,744 --> 01:23:20,144
>> any other public comment?

1990
01:23:21,347 --> 01:23:24,347
>> amy clark 628 castle road I

1991
01:23:24,351 --> 01:23:26,751
will begin by apologizing.

1992
01:23:26,953 --> 01:23:28,755
I'm in chaos on this it is very,

1993
01:23:28,755 --> 01:23:31,155
very hard to oversee.

1994
01:23:31,525 --> 01:23:33,626
It was a really great thought to

1995
01:23:33,626 --> 01:23:35,228
stop the nesting of zones so

1996
01:23:35,228 --> 01:23:38,332
that somebody in a zone knew

1997
01:23:38,332 --> 01:23:40,100
what wa in the zone.

1998
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:41,568
But the way that's going to work

1999
01:23:41,568 --> 01:23:44,604
it's going to come with the

2000
01:23:44,604 --> 01:23:45,573
wonderful tables where you can

2001
01:23:45,573 --> 01:23:47,140
see everything side-by-side you

2002
01:23:47,140 --> 01:23:50,440
can see my zone and the next

2003
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:50,411
zone and the next zone we don't

2004
01:23:50,411 --> 01:23:52,411
have that what.

2005
01:23:54,481 --> 01:23:58,810
We have is this enormous text

2006
01:23:59,486 --> 01:24:01,289
for all the uses and much of it

2007
01:24:01,289 --> 01:24:01,655
is in common for all three

2008
01:24:01,655 --> 01:24:03,655
zones.

2009
01:24:05,326 --> 01:24:07,729
The rest of it go fish.

2010
01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:09,964
It's very, very hard to get any

2011
01:24:09,964 --> 01:24:12,833
sense of what is distinct or

2012
01:24:12,833 --> 01:24:13,868
different in the uses of the

2013
01:24:13,868 --> 01:24:15,868
different zones.

2014
01:24:18,105 --> 01:24:18,739
I'm going to focus on the

2015
01:24:18,739 --> 01:24:20,475
dimensional standards.

2016
01:24:20,475 --> 01:24:22,420
Because that was a little

2017
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:24,442
shorter to figure out.

2018
01:24:25,346 --> 01:24:27,648
Turns out b2 and b2b are

2019
01:24:27,648 --> 01:24:28,516
identical in all their

2020
01:24:28,516 --> 01:24:30,516
dimensional standards.

2021
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,290
And it's b2a that has some

2022
01:24:36,290 --> 01:24:38,290
different things.

2023
01:24:39,394 --> 01:24:40,228
In fact, just from the

2024
01:24:40,228 --> 01:24:42,628
dimensional standards and gazing

2025
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:45,990
at the uses and that the sort of

2026
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:47,135
summary of the intent which

2027
01:24:47,135 --> 01:24:50,735
comes from the comp plan, I

2028
01:24:51,106 --> 01:24:51,372
don't see how b2 and b2b are

2029
01:24:51,372 --> 01:24:53,341
different.

2030
01:24:53,341 --> 01:24:56,177
They have tourism in them.

2031
01:24:56,177 --> 01:24:56,445
They have high density, high

2032
01:24:56,445 --> 01:24:58,460
intensity.

2033
01:24:58,460 --> 01:25:00,748
I don't see what is different

2034
01:25:00,748 --> 01:25:01,283
about them I wonder why they are

2035
01:25:01,283 --> 01:25:03,283
separate.

2036
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:08,487
Back to b2a.

2037
01:25:09,758 --> 01:25:13,358
There is a provision that the

2038
01:25:14,363 --> 01:25:17,363
height of the building beyond 70

2039
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:19,534
feet should match the bordering

2040
01:25:19,534 --> 01:25:21,534
property --

2041
01:25:23,839 --> 01:25:26,839
should match the maximum height

2042
01:25:27,710 --> 01:25:30,613
of the zone for the step back.

2043
01:25:30,613 --> 01:25:33,582
I was shocked to realize we're

2044
01:25:33,582 --> 01:25:35,451
talking about the maximum

2045
01:25:35,451 --> 01:25:37,851
allowed to the zone.

2046
01:25:39,288 --> 01:25:40,623
If you take r-4, which has

2047
01:25:40,623 --> 01:25:41,724
victorian cottages and two

2048
01:25:41,724 --> 01:25:44,724
storey and everything in the

2049
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,160
downtown area, the maximum

2050
01:25:48,831 --> 01:25:51,231
height there is 60 feet.

2051
01:25:53,236 --> 01:25:54,304
and the idea of making the new

2052
01:25:54,304 --> 01:25:56,704
construction compatible is to

2053
01:25:57,740 --> 01:26:00,310
say it can't be but 60 feet

2054
01:26:00,310 --> 01:26:02,311
which is what the r-4 could

2055
01:26:02,311 --> 01:26:04,311
potentially be.

2056
01:26:05,348 --> 01:26:06,816
Because it was zoned a few

2057
01:26:06,816 --> 01:26:08,816
times.

2058
01:26:08,818 --> 01:26:11,554
It absolutely should match the

2059
01:26:11,554 --> 01:26:14,554
height of the existing property.

2060
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,662
And particularly if it's in h-1

2061
01:26:18,662 --> 01:26:20,630
overlay the argument was you

2062
01:26:20,630 --> 01:26:22,799
could tear that property down

2063
01:26:22,799 --> 01:26:24,100
and here is this new fellow and

2064
01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:24,834
he would have been restricted in

2065
01:26:24,834 --> 01:26:26,834
his height.

2066
01:26:28,671 --> 01:26:30,106
You cannot tear down toes h-1

2067
01:26:30,106 --> 01:26:31,475
properties it should match the

2068
01:26:31,475 --> 01:26:34,475
actual building and more than

2069
01:26:36,613 --> 01:26:39,820
that I really would ask that you

2070
01:26:39,820 --> 01:26:41,351
present more usable materials

2071
01:26:41,351 --> 01:26:41,585
for review and continue the

2072
01:26:41,585 --> 01:26:42,219
hearing.

2073
01:26:42,219 --> 01:26:44,219
Thank you.

2074
01:26:45,689 --> 01:26:47,689
>> thank you.

2075
01:26:56,867 --> 01:26:59,267
Any other public comment?

2076
01:27:00,438 --> 01:27:03,438
>> will any of the businesses

2077
01:27:03,741 --> 01:27:04,641
current businesses be

2078
01:27:04,641 --> 01:27:06,641
grandfathered in?

2079
01:27:06,677 --> 01:27:09,246
Also where it says prohibited

2080
01:27:09,246 --> 01:27:11,246
use on page 5.

2081
01:27:11,649 --> 01:27:13,649
Number 7.

2082
01:27:14,818 --> 01:27:16,818
It says 72, but 7.

2083
01:27:18,589 --> 01:27:20,291
Kennels and outdoor runways,

2084
01:27:20,291 --> 01:27:22,291
pens or animals.

2085
01:27:22,993 --> 01:27:25,163
We have pause with a cause in

2086
01:27:25,163 --> 01:27:27,310
that area with that zone.

2087
01:27:27,310 --> 01:27:29,660
Is it getting grandfathered in

2088
01:27:29,660 --> 01:27:29,667
or does it have to apply for

2089
01:27:29,667 --> 01:27:31,667
another one?

2090
01:27:32,369 --> 01:27:33,438
You have the storage unit for

2091
01:27:33,438 --> 01:27:34,806
the warehouses you are saying

2092
01:27:34,806 --> 01:27:37,206
they can't be there.

2093
01:27:37,241 --> 01:27:39,176
Do they have to reapply.

2094
01:27:39,176 --> 01:27:40,478
We got a lot of businesses that

2095
01:27:40,478 --> 01:27:44,780
don't know much of nothing and

2096
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:49,754
we are confused.

2097
01:27:49,754 --> 01:27:52,958
This you are all going to vote

2098
01:27:52,958 --> 01:27:53,225
for it anyway it is a lot of

2099
01:27:53,225 --> 01:27:54,592
questions.

2100
01:27:54,592 --> 01:27:58,192
And a lot of businesses don't

2101
01:27:58,262 --> 01:27:59,630
know this is coming.

2102
01:27:59,630 --> 01:28:00,765
To them.

2103
01:28:00,765 --> 01:28:02,934
They say they do.

2104
01:28:02,934 --> 01:28:04,934
But they don't.

2105
01:28:04,937 --> 01:28:06,839
We already talked to them.

2106
01:28:06,839 --> 01:28:10,439
They are clueless and what does

2107
01:28:11,543 --> 01:28:13,579
it mean for us?

2108
01:28:13,579 --> 01:28:16,582
You mark here you have arcade

2109
01:28:16,582 --> 01:28:18,583
and massage parlors but the same

2110
01:28:18,583 --> 01:28:20,850
census the structure on the

2111
01:28:20,850 --> 01:28:23,685
other one has the same thing

2112
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,493
what the heck a ma sage parlor

2113
01:28:27,493 --> 01:28:30,729
but nor was it added as a

2114
01:28:30,729 --> 01:28:32,598
[Inaudible] This ain't clear.

2115
01:28:32,598 --> 01:28:34,733
It is a lot.

2116
01:28:34,733 --> 01:28:36,680
And these people are confused,

2117
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,680
so am I.

2118
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:42,170
Because number 4 as I said with

2119
01:28:42,875 --> 01:28:46,475
the massage parlor and but it

2120
01:28:46,545 --> 01:28:48,147
has it right here.

2121
01:28:48,147 --> 01:28:52,170
And number I don't know if this

2122
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:54,170
is 16 or 26.

2123
01:29:00,993 --> 01:29:02,161
Or 17 and 26 on page 3.

2124
01:29:02,161 --> 01:29:04,561
How are they different?

2125
01:29:05,698 --> 01:29:08,768
How did you mess that up.

2126
01:29:08,768 --> 01:29:09,169
But this is what all vote for,

2127
01:29:09,169 --> 01:29:11,169
okay.

2128
01:29:12,205 --> 01:29:14,205
>> thank you.

2129
01:29:32,158 --> 01:29:33,326
Any other public comment?

2130
01:29:33,326 --> 01:29:34,961
Do you have something that he

2131
01:29:34,961 --> 01:29:37,361
needs to respond to?

2132
01:29:47,374 --> 01:29:49,977
I will give you one minute.

2133
01:29:49,977 --> 01:29:51,977
>> I appreciate it.

2134
01:29:53,347 --> 01:29:55,749
I hope you're thinking about

2135
01:29:55,749 --> 01:29:57,818
whether these regulations will

2136
01:29:57,818 --> 01:30:00,818
be realistic whether they will

2137
01:30:00,821 --> 01:30:02,322
produce the sort of growth

2138
01:30:02,322 --> 01:30:03,624
that's intended.

2139
01:30:03,624 --> 01:30:05,624
Aspired to.

2140
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:10,160
And in particular the build to

2141
01:30:10,631 --> 01:30:11,164
limit you cannot build less than

2142
01:30:11,164 --> 01:30:13,164
x.

2143
01:30:16,537 --> 01:30:18,537
In the zones.

2144
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:22,750
And the no surface parking.

2145
01:30:22,750 --> 01:30:24,812
When would why would I ever say

2146
01:30:24,812 --> 01:30:25,579
that I want to see surface

2147
01:30:25,579 --> 01:30:27,579
parking?

2148
01:30:28,416 --> 01:30:29,583
But if it isn't realistic the

2149
01:30:29,583 --> 01:30:32,887
standards you set to for this

2150
01:30:32,887 --> 01:30:33,554
downtown it will push it out

2151
01:30:33,554 --> 01:30:35,554
elsewhere.

2152
01:30:37,959 --> 01:30:40,728
Where it's still less welcome.

2153
01:30:40,728 --> 01:30:41,796
The surface parking and the

2154
01:30:41,796 --> 01:30:43,796
smaller buildings.

2155
01:30:44,198 --> 01:30:46,801
So really think about whether

2156
01:30:46,801 --> 01:30:47,268
these minimums and maximums are

2157
01:30:47,268 --> 01:30:49,268
realistic.

2158
01:30:49,771 --> 01:30:51,771
>> thank you.

2159
01:30:57,111 --> 01:30:58,946
We'll hear from staff.

2160
01:30:58,946 --> 01:30:59,948
>> thank you very much for the

2161
01:30:59,948 --> 01:31:01,649
comments and questions.

2162
01:31:01,649 --> 01:31:03,318
As I said the comments and

2163
01:31:03,318 --> 01:31:04,185
questions are what makes this

2164
01:31:04,185 --> 01:31:06,185
plan stronger.

2165
01:31:07,289 --> 01:31:08,523
I will start by making it clear,

2166
01:31:08,523 --> 01:31:11,523
whatever is existing right now

2167
01:31:12,327 --> 01:31:13,861
before this is adopted is

2168
01:31:13,861 --> 01:31:15,861
grandfathered in.

2169
01:31:16,965 --> 01:31:18,334
Existing parking lots, existing

2170
01:31:18,334 --> 01:31:21,334
structures, you don't have to

2171
01:31:21,337 --> 01:31:23,710
change and update it to meet the

2172
01:31:23,710 --> 01:31:25,474
standards the only time is when

2173
01:31:25,474 --> 01:31:29,344
something new comes in or if you

2174
01:31:29,344 --> 01:31:31,344
do extensive renovations.

2175
01:31:32,114 --> 01:31:34,160
A certain percentage for some

2176
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:37,160
things trigger this you have

2177
01:31:37,353 --> 01:31:38,821
update it to match this.

2178
01:31:38,821 --> 01:31:40,821
Let's see.

2179
01:31:40,989 --> 01:31:42,625
Surface parking lots surface

2180
01:31:42,625 --> 01:31:45,460
parking lots has been moved from

2181
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:47,729
being a principle use stand

2182
01:31:47,729 --> 01:31:48,830
alone use into these zones to

2183
01:31:48,830 --> 01:31:50,533
accessory use.

2184
01:31:50,533 --> 01:31:52,167
Instead of having piece of land

2185
01:31:52,167 --> 01:31:54,303
and just building a parking lot

2186
01:31:54,303 --> 01:31:55,872
there and that is the principle

2187
01:31:55,872 --> 01:31:56,705
use on that lot you can no

2188
01:31:56,705 --> 01:31:58,705
longer do that.

2189
01:31:58,741 --> 01:32:01,711
But if you have a building you

2190
01:32:01,711 --> 01:32:03,145
can build parking lot that is an

2191
01:32:03,145 --> 01:32:06,145
accessory use to that building.

2192
01:32:09,319 --> 01:32:12,919
That is in the text amendment.

2193
01:32:13,289 --> 01:32:15,325
Massage parlors, virtually is in

2194
01:32:15,325 --> 01:32:17,160
here medical and dental offices

2195
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,160
clinics, laboratories and

2196
01:32:19,328 --> 01:32:21,328
licensed therapeutics.

2197
01:32:22,899 --> 01:32:24,300
Massage parlors masseuse fall

2198
01:32:24,300 --> 01:32:24,834
under the license of

2199
01:32:24,834 --> 01:32:26,469
therapeutics.

2200
01:32:26,469 --> 01:32:28,171
And that is one of the comments

2201
01:32:28,171 --> 01:32:30,774
that I say some of these

2202
01:32:30,774 --> 01:32:32,609
businesses were originally

2203
01:32:32,609 --> 01:32:33,176
written when we listed

2204
01:32:33,176 --> 01:32:35,440
individual businesses.

2205
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,347
But they could all fall under

2206
01:32:37,347 --> 01:32:40,160
one umbrella that is a good

2207
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:40,583
example of where that comes into

2208
01:32:40,583 --> 01:32:42,285
use.

2209
01:32:42,285 --> 01:32:44,685
And the building height,

2210
01:32:48,725 --> 01:32:51,725
building height has been --

2211
01:32:51,895 --> 01:32:54,297
building heights if you read the

2212
01:32:54,297 --> 01:32:56,733
downtown area master plan which

2213
01:32:56,733 --> 01:32:58,680
was took over to do that the

2214
01:32:58,680 --> 01:32:59,970
recommendations for the minimum

2215
01:32:59,970 --> 01:33:01,271
height in the downtown area is

2216
01:33:01,271 --> 01:33:02,673
six storeys.

2217
01:33:02,673 --> 01:33:04,775
After discussions with the

2218
01:33:04,775 --> 01:33:06,843
public and discussion with staff

2219
01:33:06,843 --> 01:33:09,346
and discussion with the planning

2220
01:33:09,346 --> 01:33:11,848
commission, we realize that six

2221
01:33:11,848 --> 01:33:12,750
storeys is ambitious for this

2222
01:33:12,750 --> 01:33:14,840
moment.

2223
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,787
Hopefully one day we get there

2224
01:33:16,787 --> 01:33:18,823
but currently, the six storeys

2225
01:33:18,823 --> 01:33:21,158
was too much that is why we

2226
01:33:21,158 --> 01:33:23,930
reduce to do to 48 for the b2

2227
01:33:23,930 --> 01:33:25,930
and b2b.

2228
01:33:26,230 --> 01:33:29,320
And 36 for the b2a because of

2229
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:31,680
the transition and the proximity

2230
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,680
to residential areas.

2231
01:33:34,872 --> 01:33:35,139
And I think that covers all the

2232
01:33:35,139 --> 01:33:37,139
comments.

2233
01:33:41,346 --> 01:33:42,140
Thank you very much.

2234
01:33:42,140 --> 01:33:44,140
Any questions?

2235
01:33:44,982 --> 01:33:46,982
>> commissioner davis.

2236
01:33:51,723 --> 01:33:53,900
>> boyd --

2237
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:55,693
I know we've talked about this

2238
01:33:55,693 --> 01:33:57,194
before and I still I think I

2239
01:33:57,194 --> 01:33:57,695
have a different question this

2240
01:33:57,695 --> 01:33:59,695
time.

2241
01:34:02,660 --> 01:34:04,335
It has to do with the places

2242
01:34:04,335 --> 01:34:05,737
where DoorDash drivers and

2243
01:34:05,737 --> 01:34:06,838
delivery vans and things like

2244
01:34:06,838 --> 01:34:09,238
that are to occur.

2245
01:34:09,540 --> 01:34:12,377
I understand that some sites do

2246
01:34:12,377 --> 01:34:15,179
not have a place to have a

2247
01:34:15,179 --> 01:34:17,579
dedicated place for that.

2248
01:34:18,490 --> 01:34:20,585
But how are developers expected

2249
01:34:20,585 --> 01:34:22,353
to respond in a plan or any

2250
01:34:22,353 --> 01:34:25,624
other way to say we thought

2251
01:34:25,624 --> 01:34:27,392
about this at least and we can

2252
01:34:27,392 --> 01:34:30,992
use the parking space and not

2253
01:34:30,995 --> 01:34:35,795
park in the street if we have a

2254
01:34:36,869 --> 01:34:38,869
delivery?

2255
01:34:39,104 --> 01:34:40,906
>> let me take that one.

2256
01:34:40,906 --> 01:34:42,207
>> is there anything that

2257
01:34:42,207 --> 01:34:44,743
compels a developer to think

2258
01:34:44,743 --> 01:34:46,778
about how the building might be

2259
01:34:46,778 --> 01:34:49,882
used when it's occupied to take

2260
01:34:49,882 --> 01:34:52,117
care of deliveries rather than

2261
01:34:52,117 --> 01:34:54,753
having it occur ad hoc?

2262
01:34:54,753 --> 01:34:56,188
>> so one.

2263
01:34:56,188 --> 01:34:57,322
Things we heard during our

2264
01:34:57,322 --> 01:34:58,757
public comment and working with

2265
01:34:58,757 --> 01:35:00,426
the commission and the

2266
01:35:00,426 --> 01:35:02,428
development group was there is a

2267
01:35:02,428 --> 01:35:03,496
concern with the existing

2268
01:35:03,496 --> 01:35:05,896
developers the existing land

2269
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:09,335
that are zoned b2, b2a or b2b

2270
01:35:09,335 --> 01:35:12,380
which they said look we have not

2271
01:35:12,380 --> 01:35:13,906
thought of this this was not in

2272
01:35:13,906 --> 01:35:15,541
the plan before.

2273
01:35:15,541 --> 01:35:19,741
And we have an issue with trying

2274
01:35:20,413 --> 01:35:21,130
to do that within the site's

2275
01:35:21,130 --> 01:35:23,130
context.

2276
01:35:23,490 --> 01:35:24,217
Within placebuilder there is a

2277
01:35:24,217 --> 01:35:25,384
development criteria for all

2278
01:35:25,384 --> 01:35:26,919
downtown development to look at

2279
01:35:26,919 --> 01:35:28,919
those drop-off zones.

2280
01:35:29,221 --> 01:35:31,424
So as we get new development and

2281
01:35:31,424 --> 01:35:33,226
we are seeing rezonings that

2282
01:35:33,226 --> 01:35:35,950
gives us the opportunity to

2283
01:35:35,950 --> 01:35:36,596
bring up to you with the

2284
01:35:36,596 --> 01:35:38,931
applicant the changes that might

2285
01:35:38,931 --> 01:35:39,165
need to be made on-site or

2286
01:35:39,165 --> 01:35:41,340
offsite.

2287
01:35:41,340 --> 01:35:42,135
So we found that there is

2288
01:35:42,135 --> 01:35:43,670
sufficient language currently

2289
01:35:43,670 --> 01:35:45,205
within the comprehensive plan

2290
01:35:45,205 --> 01:35:47,940
that covers this for new sites

2291
01:35:47,940 --> 01:35:48,808
that are coming in.

2292
01:35:48,808 --> 01:35:50,808
>> okay.

2293
01:35:51,178 --> 01:35:53,178
Thank you.

2294
01:35:56,249 --> 01:35:56,716
>> commissioner wilson did you

2295
01:35:56,716 --> 01:35:58,716
have?

2296
01:35:59,552 --> 01:36:00,820
>> I'm afraid you have to

2297
01:36:00,820 --> 01:36:02,456
explainties parking thing to me

2298
01:36:02,456 --> 01:36:04,925
like I am a 10-year-old.

2299
01:36:04,925 --> 01:36:06,930
I don't understand the biggest

2300
01:36:06,930 --> 01:36:08,495
expansion of parking that we

2301
01:36:08,495 --> 01:36:11,980
have downtown right now is the

2302
01:36:11,980 --> 01:36:12,833
rep arena.

2303
01:36:12,833 --> 01:36:15,833
If anybody decides to develop

2304
01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:17,637
that property could the rep

2305
01:36:17,637 --> 01:36:20,740
arena people build a parking

2306
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:23,740
structure to compensate for the

2307
01:36:23,243 --> 01:36:25,245
loss of the parking on the

2308
01:36:25,245 --> 01:36:27,245
surface?

2309
01:36:27,481 --> 01:36:29,481
>> absolutely, sir.

2310
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:32,500
>> they could do that?

2311
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:34,255
>> they just have to meet the

2312
01:36:34,255 --> 01:36:35,456
active depth requirements they

2313
01:36:35,456 --> 01:36:37,456
can have it.

2314
01:36:37,725 --> 01:36:40,460
>> am I recalling correctly that

2315
01:36:40,460 --> 01:36:42,830
is a mixed-use plan that

2316
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:44,698
includes apartments, it includes

2317
01:36:44,698 --> 01:36:46,401
a grocery store and includes a

2318
01:36:46,401 --> 01:36:47,802
parking structure and we have

2319
01:36:47,802 --> 01:36:49,337
already approved that, correct

2320
01:36:49,337 --> 01:36:51,973
or some phase of it?

2321
01:36:51,973 --> 01:36:53,973
>> we've seen it.

2322
01:36:54,141 --> 01:36:56,141
>> correct.

2323
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:58,312
>> the renderings are out in the

2324
01:36:58,312 --> 01:36:59,347
public.

2325
01:36:59,347 --> 01:37:01,983
But I have not seen it.

2326
01:37:01,983 --> 01:37:03,318
>> you have approved a

2327
01:37:03,318 --> 01:37:05,718
preliminary subdivision plan and

2328
01:37:06,254 --> 01:37:08,222
when they presented that they

2329
01:37:08,222 --> 01:37:11,225
did pass out the uses proposed

2330
01:37:11,225 --> 01:37:16,250
and did give an idea of what the

2331
01:37:17,631 --> 01:37:19,631
arrangements would be.

2332
01:37:19,867 --> 01:37:21,503
>> any other questions?

2333
01:37:21,503 --> 01:37:22,503
>> I have a quick question I

2334
01:37:22,503 --> 01:37:24,172
don't know if you have the

2335
01:37:24,172 --> 01:37:26,575
answer to this or not I'm

2336
01:37:26,575 --> 01:37:29,144
curious to know how many parking

2337
01:37:29,144 --> 01:37:30,646
spaces are provided by the

2338
01:37:30,646 --> 01:37:32,547
lexington parking authority in

2339
01:37:32,547 --> 01:37:34,547
these two zones?

2340
01:37:34,683 --> 01:37:36,417
>> I will try finding you the

2341
01:37:36,417 --> 01:37:37,352
answer but I don't have it.

2342
01:37:37,352 --> 01:37:39,352
>> understood.

2343
01:37:39,754 --> 01:37:41,957
But we need to put pressure and

2344
01:37:41,957 --> 01:37:44,759
that is a good way for us to

2345
01:37:44,759 --> 01:37:47,759
achieve more parking is utilize

2346
01:37:48,830 --> 01:37:50,499
the parking authority to develop

2347
01:37:50,499 --> 01:37:51,967
and build subterrainian or

2348
01:37:51,967 --> 01:37:53,680
structured parking that is

2349
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,400
something we need to consider we

2350
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:57,306
need to put some of the burden

2351
01:37:57,306 --> 01:38:00,306
on ourselves our own authority

2352
01:38:00,576 --> 01:38:01,744
to make sure that we do have

2353
01:38:01,744 --> 01:38:03,545
parking available.

2354
01:38:03,545 --> 01:38:06,810
Because as my understanding is

2355
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:07,616
from being here for quite a few

2356
01:38:07,616 --> 01:38:09,585
years, the decision has been

2357
01:38:09,585 --> 01:38:11,854
made to grow up and not out.

2358
01:38:11,854 --> 01:38:14,257
And we want to make sure that as

2359
01:38:14,257 --> 01:38:15,691
we grow up we can share some of

2360
01:38:15,691 --> 01:38:17,726
the burden of the parking

2361
01:38:17,726 --> 01:38:18,930
through our lexington parking

2362
01:38:18,930 --> 01:38:20,930
authority.

2363
01:38:20,630 --> 01:38:23,466
>> MR. Nicol we have currently

2364
01:38:23,466 --> 01:38:24,767
four public structured parking

2365
01:38:24,767 --> 01:38:27,767
garages operated by lex park

2366
01:38:29,639 --> 01:38:31,407
with 2,000 parking spaces.

2367
01:38:31,407 --> 01:38:32,141
>> 4,000.

2368
01:38:32,141 --> 01:38:34,141
>> good.

2369
01:38:34,544 --> 01:38:35,778
That is a good place for us to

2370
01:38:35,778 --> 01:38:36,112
continue to look for more

2371
01:38:36,112 --> 01:38:38,112
parking.

2372
01:38:38,615 --> 01:38:39,682
>> if I can add to that during

2373
01:38:39,682 --> 01:38:41,484
the master plan lex park was

2374
01:38:41,484 --> 01:38:43,286
part of the discussions and they

2375
01:38:43,286 --> 01:38:45,686
were very helpful and

2376
01:38:46,890 --> 01:38:47,190
contributed a lot to the

2377
01:38:47,190 --> 01:38:47,891
discussions.

2378
01:38:47,891 --> 01:38:49,891
>> all right.

2379
01:38:50,327 --> 01:38:51,928
Any other questions for staff at

2380
01:38:51,928 --> 01:38:53,463
this moment?

2381
01:38:53,463 --> 01:38:55,463
Thank you.

2382
01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:58,990
All right.

2383
01:38:59,336 --> 01:38:59,636
We'll bring back to the

2384
01:38:59,636 --> 01:39:01,636
commission.

2385
01:39:02,372 --> 01:39:04,372
>> yeah.

2386
01:39:05,342 --> 01:39:07,945
I want to just say that some of

2387
01:39:07,945 --> 01:39:10,914
you all who were at the zoning

2388
01:39:10,914 --> 01:39:12,416
committee and then at the work

2389
01:39:12,416 --> 01:39:15,850
session, heard some of my

2390
01:39:15,850 --> 01:39:18,210
concerns, I think a few of them

2391
01:39:18,210 --> 01:39:21,325
have been spoken about by the

2392
01:39:21,325 --> 01:39:23,325
public.

2393
01:39:30,901 --> 01:39:34,138
I was asking at the work session

2394
01:39:34,138 --> 01:39:35,906
that we look to either postpone

2395
01:39:35,906 --> 01:39:38,275
or continue the discussion so

2396
01:39:38,275 --> 01:39:41,875
that there would be time to

2397
01:39:42,847 --> 01:39:45,847
address some of these concerns.

2398
01:39:51,922 --> 01:39:54,925
I met with hal who with staff

2399
01:39:54,925 --> 01:39:56,827
drafted some items to address

2400
01:39:56,827 --> 01:39:58,827
these concerns.

2401
01:40:00,197 --> 01:40:03,797
so I'll present them here today.

2402
01:40:03,902 --> 01:40:06,838
If people feel comfortable by

2403
01:40:06,838 --> 01:40:08,906
and large they addressed my bulk

2404
01:40:08,906 --> 01:40:09,140
concerns I'm comfortable going

2405
01:40:09,140 --> 01:40:11,140
forward.

2406
01:40:12,510 --> 01:40:13,377
If people aren't comfortable I'm

2407
01:40:13,377 --> 01:40:15,777
also still comfortable with

2408
01:40:15,946 --> 01:40:18,946
asking for a continuance so

2409
01:40:20,752 --> 01:40:21,652
other people can have more time

2410
01:40:21,652 --> 01:40:23,588
for input.

2411
01:40:23,588 --> 01:40:25,590
There's only one addition that

2412
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:28,590
applied to all three zones.

2413
01:40:31,229 --> 01:40:32,897
And that was to create a pathway

2414
01:40:32,897 --> 01:40:35,897
for building for projects that

2415
01:40:36,668 --> 01:40:39,104
have a building or buildings

2416
01:40:39,104 --> 01:40:41,272
that do not meet the minimum

2417
01:40:41,272 --> 01:40:44,872
height and my questions to staff

2418
01:40:44,976 --> 01:40:47,813
that came up because there are

2419
01:40:47,813 --> 01:40:50,582
types of businesses and projects

2420
01:40:50,582 --> 01:40:53,184
that are called for in the

2421
01:40:53,184 --> 01:40:54,753
downtown master plan that don't

2422
01:40:54,753 --> 01:40:56,254
tip --

2423
01:40:56,254 --> 01:40:58,457
that are nonresidential that

2424
01:40:58,457 --> 01:41:00,826
don't typically come associated

2425
01:41:00,826 --> 01:41:03,628
with a taller building like an

2426
01:41:03,628 --> 01:41:05,628
apartment building.

2427
01:41:05,897 --> 01:41:07,666
They also there was also not a

2428
01:41:07,666 --> 01:41:09,434
provision if somebody was

2429
01:41:09,434 --> 01:41:12,434
proposing a larger scale project

2430
01:41:12,838 --> 01:41:15,441
that had accessory buildings or

2431
01:41:15,441 --> 01:41:17,943
a food kiosk in the courtyard or

2432
01:41:17,943 --> 01:41:19,712
something like that, that would

2433
01:41:19,712 --> 01:41:21,981
be below height minimum.

2434
01:41:21,981 --> 01:41:24,850
This would create a pathway

2435
01:41:24,850 --> 01:41:25,885
where someone who had an

2436
01:41:25,885 --> 01:41:27,853
accessory building or a

2437
01:41:27,853 --> 01:41:29,210
principle building for a use

2438
01:41:29,210 --> 01:41:30,923
called for in the downtown

2439
01:41:30,923 --> 01:41:33,325
master plan didn't meet the 48

2440
01:41:33,325 --> 01:41:35,325
feet or 36 feet.

2441
01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:37,563
Could come before the planning

2442
01:41:37,563 --> 01:41:39,866
commission and show their plans

2443
01:41:39,866 --> 01:41:41,267
and give their reasoning and ask

2444
01:41:41,267 --> 01:41:44,267
for that without it necessarily

2445
01:41:45,304 --> 01:41:47,400
being a variance they couldn't

2446
01:41:47,400 --> 01:41:48,942
build an apartment but why they

2447
01:41:48,942 --> 01:41:49,342
want to build what they want to

2448
01:41:49,342 --> 01:41:51,342
build.

2449
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:53,279
>> would you like us to show it

2450
01:41:53,279 --> 01:41:55,181
on the screen?

2451
01:41:55,181 --> 01:41:56,783
>> if you could put that up

2452
01:41:56,783 --> 01:41:58,783
there.

2453
01:42:00,620 --> 01:42:03,620
The other amendments all applied

2454
01:42:05,358 --> 01:42:06,192
additions all applied to the b2a

2455
01:42:06,192 --> 01:42:08,192
zone.

2456
01:42:08,896 --> 01:42:10,364
And that really stems from what

2457
01:42:10,364 --> 01:42:13,866
we heard from a couple of the

2458
01:42:13,866 --> 01:42:16,636
public comments which is that

2459
01:42:16,636 --> 01:42:18,639
this zone if we approve this

2460
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:21,541
zota is changing the intent of

2461
01:42:21,541 --> 01:42:24,541
this zone from being really

2462
01:42:26,130 --> 01:42:28,848
tightly bound around two zone

2463
01:42:28,848 --> 01:42:31,848
downtown, to extending into the

2464
01:42:45,199 --> 01:42:47,599
second tier urban neighborhoods.

2465
01:42:48,368 --> 01:42:52,568
Here is an example of that text

2466
01:42:53,206 --> 01:42:56,806
that aplayed to all three zones.

2467
01:42:57,144 --> 01:42:59,247
Stating that this commission

2468
01:42:59,247 --> 01:43:01,490
could approve a project with a

2469
01:43:01,490 --> 01:43:03,450
building that did not meet the

2470
01:43:03,450 --> 01:43:06,450
minimums, if someone came here

2471
01:43:07,688 --> 01:43:09,324
and showed that it complied with

2472
01:43:09,324 --> 01:43:10,958
the downtown master plan.

2473
01:43:10,958 --> 01:43:13,958
That would be basically a

2474
01:43:16,230 --> 01:43:17,932
similar process as somebody who

2475
01:43:17,932 --> 01:43:19,801
today comes here because they

2476
01:43:19,801 --> 01:43:23,401
want to build a building taller

2477
01:43:24,639 --> 01:43:26,407
than the b-1 zone typically

2478
01:43:26,407 --> 01:43:29,811
allows and the build showed the

2479
01:43:29,811 --> 01:43:32,780
context and get permission to do

2480
01:43:32,780 --> 01:43:34,248
so.

2481
01:43:34,248 --> 01:43:37,848
Jumping to the ones that are

2482
01:43:49,970 --> 01:43:52,233
specific only to the b2a, the

2483
01:43:52,233 --> 01:43:54,670
b2a as we're extending into the

2484
01:43:54,670 --> 01:43:57,700
second tier urban neighborhoods

2485
01:43:58,907 --> 01:44:01,907
that have traditionally had that

2486
01:44:05,460 --> 01:44:08,517
have not just green space our

2487
01:44:08,517 --> 01:44:09,952
downtown zone has no required

2488
01:44:09,952 --> 01:44:12,487
vegetative open space looking at

2489
01:44:12,487 --> 01:44:16,687
some of the plans it seems like

2490
01:44:16,958 --> 01:44:19,961
a lot of the plans are coming in

2491
01:44:19,961 --> 01:44:20,996
around 5% just around the

2492
01:44:20,996 --> 01:44:22,996
building.

2493
01:44:23,432 --> 01:44:26,702
I think if we are changing the

2494
01:44:26,702 --> 01:44:28,971
intent to extend into the

2495
01:44:28,971 --> 01:44:30,172
neighborhoods, that more

2496
01:44:30,172 --> 01:44:32,572
vegetative open space meaning

2497
01:44:34,911 --> 01:44:35,978
plants and green space is

2498
01:44:35,978 --> 01:44:37,978
important.

2499
01:44:38,547 --> 01:44:39,915
This edit is pretty minimal

2500
01:44:39,915 --> 01:44:42,885
because looking at the other

2501
01:44:42,885 --> 01:44:44,353
zones we allow pretty low amount

2502
01:44:44,353 --> 01:44:45,988
in the b-1.

2503
01:44:45,988 --> 01:44:48,792
So that's where that percentage

2504
01:44:48,792 --> 01:44:50,792
came from.

2505
01:44:51,761 --> 01:44:54,463
Green roots have a multiplier.

2506
01:44:54,463 --> 01:44:56,700
Somebody putting a 5% around the

2507
01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:58,835
building like we've been seeing,

2508
01:44:58,835 --> 01:44:59,802
could have just like

2509
01:44:59,802 --> 01:45:01,604
two-and-a-half percent of their

2510
01:45:01,604 --> 01:45:04,207
property as a green roof and

2511
01:45:04,207 --> 01:45:05,875
meet that requirement.

2512
01:45:05,875 --> 01:45:08,278
So that is a small one.

2513
01:45:08,278 --> 01:45:10,547
And it only applies to the

2514
01:45:10,547 --> 01:45:12,649
larger lots so that if somebody

2515
01:45:12,649 --> 01:45:15,752
does want to do a small lot

2516
01:45:15,752 --> 01:45:17,554
redevelopment in that typical

2517
01:45:17,554 --> 01:45:18,621
traditional downtown style or

2518
01:45:18,621 --> 01:45:20,590
neighborhood commercial style

2519
01:45:20,590 --> 01:45:22,893
like you might see in the

2520
01:45:22,893 --> 01:45:25,293
woodland triangle or main

2521
01:45:25,428 --> 01:45:27,828
street, this provision wouldn't

2522
01:45:30,867 --> 01:45:32,867
apply.

2523
01:45:35,172 --> 01:45:37,241
The next one there is speaking

2524
01:45:37,241 --> 01:45:41,441
to what we heard from a couple

2525
01:45:42,912 --> 01:45:46,512
other people is basically, it is

2526
01:45:47,451 --> 01:45:49,352
saying that the step down if we

2527
01:45:49,352 --> 01:45:50,654
were to accept this

2528
01:45:50,654 --> 01:45:53,540
modification, it's saying the

2529
01:45:53,790 --> 01:45:57,561
step down if it is adjacent to a

2530
01:45:57,561 --> 01:45:59,764
residentially zoned property, is

2531
01:45:59,764 --> 01:45:59,964
responding to what is actually

2532
01:45:59,964 --> 01:46:01,964
there.

2533
01:46:02,833 --> 01:46:04,368
And this is really just as I

2534
01:46:04,368 --> 01:46:07,771
mentioned in regards to some of

2535
01:46:07,771 --> 01:46:10,641
the concern that, you know, a

2536
01:46:10,641 --> 01:46:14,144
house that we might have in the

2537
01:46:14,144 --> 01:46:16,948
east end that is one or two

2538
01:46:16,948 --> 01:46:19,948
storeys, is very different from

2539
01:46:20,651 --> 01:46:21,752
maybe a four storey apartment

2540
01:46:21,752 --> 01:46:23,688
that we have on martin luther

2541
01:46:23,688 --> 01:46:25,423
king, JR.

2542
01:46:25,423 --> 01:46:27,859
And this would as this text is

2543
01:46:27,859 --> 01:46:30,280
drafted and I sent it out allow

2544
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:31,996
for that step down to be taller

2545
01:46:31,996 --> 01:46:33,731
than the existing structure in

2546
01:46:33,731 --> 01:46:35,731
the current context.

2547
01:46:37,168 --> 01:46:38,770
As written this says 10 feet

2548
01:46:38,770 --> 01:46:40,770
taller.

2549
01:46:46,878 --> 01:46:48,746
And it's the same basic

2550
01:46:48,746 --> 01:46:50,281
dimensions so that step down is

2551
01:46:50,281 --> 01:46:50,915
still 50 feet from the property

2552
01:46:50,915 --> 01:46:52,915
line.

2553
01:46:56,540 --> 01:46:58,723
And it's the same relevance it

2554
01:46:58,723 --> 01:47:00,859
is a residential zone and on the

2555
01:47:00,859 --> 01:47:03,859
same side of the street.

2556
01:47:06,865 --> 01:47:10,735
And the final one in the b2a

2557
01:47:10,735 --> 01:47:13,135
specifically, again, looking at

2558
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:15,640
where these downtown frame zones

2559
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:17,976
are adjacent to the existing

2560
01:47:17,976 --> 01:47:20,976
residential and the second tier

2561
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:23,480
urban neighborhoods, primarily

2562
01:47:23,716 --> 01:47:26,551
that is this zota already calls

2563
01:47:26,551 --> 01:47:30,151
for a 12-foot setback on the

2564
01:47:30,322 --> 01:47:33,322
side yard and rear yard.

2565
01:47:34,526 --> 01:47:36,628
And this is we already in

2566
01:47:36,628 --> 01:47:38,297
discussions on zone change

2567
01:47:38,297 --> 01:47:40,833
frequently are asking for this

2568
01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:42,101
type of mechanical stuff to be

2569
01:47:42,101 --> 01:47:43,969
put on the roof.

2570
01:47:43,969 --> 01:47:47,573
This is sort of going ahead and

2571
01:47:47,573 --> 01:47:48,640
putting that in writing and

2572
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,640
saying that this isn't require

2573
01:47:53,790 --> 01:47:54,880
to go be on the roof but saying

2574
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,880
those mechanical systems such as

2575
01:47:59,452 --> 01:48:01,852
the hvac, trash compacttors

2576
01:48:02,688 --> 01:48:05,324
can't be in that 12-foot setback

2577
01:48:05,324 --> 01:48:08,728
on the side and rear yard

2578
01:48:08,728 --> 01:48:10,530
adjacent to residential.

2579
01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:12,865
So with that I will turn things

2580
01:48:12,865 --> 01:48:15,865
back over to the commission.

2581
01:48:18,872 --> 01:48:22,410
But those are this language was

2582
01:48:22,410 --> 01:48:25,641
provided by staff after the last

2583
01:48:25,979 --> 01:48:29,449
work session in response to some

2584
01:48:29,449 --> 01:48:31,150
of the concerns I brought up.

2585
01:48:31,150 --> 01:48:32,152
>> thank you commissioner

2586
01:48:32,152 --> 01:48:32,619
michler.

2587
01:48:32,619 --> 01:48:33,860
Commissioner nicol.

2588
01:48:33,860 --> 01:48:34,888
>> yes.

2589
01:48:34,888 --> 01:48:37,288
Thank you for that.

2590
01:48:40,694 --> 01:48:41,610
I'm responding to the staff's

2591
01:48:41,610 --> 01:48:41,895
recommendation.

2592
01:48:41,895 --> 01:48:44,197
I understand we have new

2593
01:48:44,197 --> 01:48:47,197
language that is being proposed

2594
01:48:48,735 --> 01:48:50,370
by robin but I wanted to make

2595
01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:51,939
known that even though the

2596
01:48:51,939 --> 01:48:54,476
language was written by staff,

2597
01:48:54,476 --> 01:48:55,875
it is not what we're voting on

2598
01:48:55,875 --> 01:48:57,744
unless we make the changes to

2599
01:48:57,744 --> 01:48:59,744
the staff's requirements.

2600
01:49:02,150 --> 01:49:05,319
In my opinion, I'm interested in

2601
01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:07,719
approving the staff's language.

2602
01:49:08,989 --> 01:49:10,891
And less interested in

2603
01:49:10,891 --> 01:49:13,600
restricting this zone, which is

2604
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,620
the intent of the zone is

2605
01:49:15,620 --> 01:49:17,310
specialized district for high

2606
01:49:17,310 --> 01:49:18,299
density residential and high

2607
01:49:18,299 --> 01:49:19,233
intensity commercial and

2608
01:49:19,233 --> 01:49:21,233
mixed-use developments.

2609
01:49:21,902 --> 01:49:23,637
We only have two zones and we

2610
01:49:23,637 --> 01:49:25,339
have one downtown and we have

2611
01:49:25,339 --> 01:49:26,607
one downtown frame.

2612
01:49:26,607 --> 01:49:28,476
We've been told we have heard

2613
01:49:28,476 --> 01:49:30,645
here from our community that we

2614
01:49:30,645 --> 01:49:34,849
are to grow up and not grow out.

2615
01:49:34,849 --> 01:49:36,618
So in my opinion, I am in favor

2616
01:49:36,618 --> 01:49:38,719
of the staff's recommendations

2617
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:40,554
rather than continuing to

2618
01:49:40,554 --> 01:49:42,590
restrict the overall height

2619
01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:45,960
requirements in our b2a zone as

2620
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:46,160
it is touching up to existing

2621
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,160
zones.

2622
01:49:48,762 --> 01:49:51,432
As we're looking in the text

2623
01:49:51,432 --> 01:49:53,434
that robin has provided us on

2624
01:49:53,434 --> 01:49:54,836
page 12 there was a minimum open

2625
01:49:54,836 --> 01:49:56,671
space that has been added

2626
01:49:56,671 --> 01:49:59,975
however when a project area is

2627
01:49:59,975 --> 01:50:01,743
greater than one acre in size

2628
01:50:01,743 --> 01:50:02,244
vegetative open space shall be

2629
01:50:02,244 --> 01:50:04,790
10%.

2630
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:05,460
I am opposed to that

2631
01:50:05,460 --> 01:50:07,446
recommendation because we have

2632
01:50:09,117 --> 01:50:11,954
continued to hear in work groups

2633
01:50:11,954 --> 01:50:13,954
that vibrant downtown

2634
01:50:13,955 --> 01:50:16,240
communities have parks, public

2635
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:17,392
parks, private parks, and pocket

2636
01:50:17,392 --> 01:50:20,929
parks and I think that is a

2637
01:50:20,929 --> 01:50:23,298
better way to address the

2638
01:50:23,298 --> 01:50:24,232
overall vegetative requirement

2639
01:50:24,232 --> 01:50:26,232
in our community.

2640
01:50:27,102 --> 01:50:28,603
To have intentional spaces that

2641
01:50:28,603 --> 01:50:30,272
are being built to be utilized

2642
01:50:30,272 --> 01:50:30,906
rather than to meet a

2643
01:50:30,906 --> 01:50:32,906
requirement.

2644
01:50:33,208 --> 01:50:35,677
In my opinion, I believe that we

2645
01:50:35,677 --> 01:50:38,677
should allow for the staff's

2646
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:42,685
recommendation of not having a

2647
01:50:42,685 --> 01:50:44,654
open space regulations.

2648
01:50:44,654 --> 01:50:47,654
And that would further promote

2649
01:50:47,722 --> 01:50:48,824
the development and use of

2650
01:50:48,824 --> 01:50:50,226
pocket parks.

2651
01:50:50,226 --> 01:50:52,940
and the parks that we're putting

2652
01:50:52,940 --> 01:50:52,394
in place right now through our

2653
01:50:52,394 --> 01:50:54,394
government.

2654
01:50:54,764 --> 01:50:55,865
I think it's important for us to

2655
01:50:55,865 --> 01:50:56,999
continue to maximize density

2656
01:50:56,999 --> 01:50:59,999
especially in the downtown area

2657
01:51:00,703 --> 01:51:01,871
and especially in the b2a zones

2658
01:51:01,871 --> 01:51:03,871
as well.

2659
01:51:04,941 --> 01:51:05,541
So those are my thoughts what we

2660
01:51:05,541 --> 01:51:07,900
heard so far.

2661
01:51:07,900 --> 01:51:07,743
>> thank you.

2662
01:51:07,743 --> 01:51:09,743
Commissioner penn?

2663
01:51:12,181 --> 01:51:14,584
>> let me follow-up on what

2664
01:51:14,584 --> 01:51:16,652
MR. Nicol is talking about.

2665
01:51:16,652 --> 01:51:18,854
Who do you propose are you

2666
01:51:18,854 --> 01:51:20,790
saying that the city ought to

2667
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:21,570
build the pocket parks or the

2668
01:51:21,570 --> 01:51:23,570
developer?

2669
01:51:24,930 --> 01:51:26,729
>> I'm saying is we should not

2670
01:51:26,729 --> 01:51:27,563
put additional requirements to

2671
01:51:27,563 --> 01:51:29,963
provide vegetated open space

2672
01:51:29,966 --> 01:51:32,340
that should not be an added

2673
01:51:32,340 --> 01:51:33,700
requirement for our downtown

2674
01:51:33,700 --> 01:51:33,636
zones we are addressing right

2675
01:51:33,636 --> 01:51:34,905
now.

2676
01:51:34,905 --> 01:51:38,740
What I'm say something that we

2677
01:51:38,740 --> 01:51:39,709
have seen an effort being made

2678
01:51:39,709 --> 01:51:42,109
to have either private

2679
01:51:43,180 --> 01:51:44,514
developers or the public to

2680
01:51:44,514 --> 01:51:46,514
create pocket parks.

2681
01:51:47,584 --> 01:51:48,852
So it would not be required for

2682
01:51:48,852 --> 01:51:50,852
the downtown zones.

2683
01:51:51,554 --> 01:51:54,157
But it is encouraged for those

2684
01:51:54,157 --> 01:51:57,394
in the community whether it is a

2685
01:51:57,394 --> 01:51:58,495
developer or the city to build

2686
01:51:58,495 --> 01:52:00,495
usable pocket parks.

2687
01:52:01,565 --> 01:52:05,165
And we've seen examples what a

2688
01:52:05,235 --> 01:52:07,538
usable pocket park looks like

2689
01:52:07,538 --> 01:52:10,538
and unusable park, the solution

2690
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:11,842
is should not be required by the

2691
01:52:11,842 --> 01:52:14,242
property owners themselves as

2692
01:52:14,745 --> 01:52:17,745
we're trying to increase maximum

2693
01:52:18,649 --> 01:52:21,850
density and by removing 10% of

2694
01:52:21,850 --> 01:52:22,486
the buildable lots which are

2695
01:52:22,486 --> 01:52:23,254
normally small and promoting

2696
01:52:23,254 --> 01:52:25,254
growing up.

2697
01:52:28,626 --> 01:52:29,860
It will cause it will limit the

2698
01:52:29,860 --> 01:52:30,940
density we would like to

2699
01:52:30,940 --> 01:52:32,940
achieve.

2700
01:52:33,431 --> 01:52:36,431
>> but the history of our

2701
01:52:41,339 --> 01:52:43,374
community has been private

2702
01:52:43,374 --> 01:52:45,643
citizens built gatton park, and

2703
01:52:45,643 --> 01:52:48,346
private citizens built the most

2704
01:52:48,346 --> 01:52:50,447
of our parks have been done by

2705
01:52:50,447 --> 01:52:51,480
private developers, by private

2706
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:53,480
citizens.

2707
01:52:53,851 --> 01:52:55,820
So the developers haven't been

2708
01:52:55,820 --> 01:52:59,190
on the hook to get that at all.

2709
01:52:59,190 --> 01:53:00,892
>> that is a positive way to

2710
01:53:00,892 --> 01:53:02,159
effect change private citizens

2711
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:02,493
building wonderful things for

2712
01:53:02,493 --> 01:53:04,262
the community.

2713
01:53:04,262 --> 01:53:06,662
>> I'm that against that.

2714
01:53:07,532 --> 01:53:08,199
I hate to say that that will

2715
01:53:08,199 --> 01:53:09,801
continue.

2716
01:53:09,801 --> 01:53:10,869
There is one generation that

2717
01:53:10,869 --> 01:53:12,670
built most of those.

2718
01:53:12,670 --> 01:53:14,406
I don't know what the new

2719
01:53:14,406 --> 01:53:17,642
generations will do it and you

2720
01:53:17,642 --> 01:53:17,942
MAY windup with density and no

2721
01:53:17,942 --> 01:53:19,942
parks.

2722
01:53:20,412 --> 01:53:22,247
>> we have done thankful to the

2723
01:53:22,247 --> 01:53:25,247
generations that came before us

2724
01:53:25,684 --> 01:53:28,190
that did develop phoenix park,

2725
01:53:28,190 --> 01:53:29,921
thorough good park and that was

2726
01:53:29,921 --> 01:53:32,921
an impressive feat it involved

2727
01:53:33,559 --> 01:53:35,260
people from the development and

2728
01:53:35,260 --> 01:53:36,227
banking community and high

2729
01:53:36,227 --> 01:53:38,227
network individuals.

2730
01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:40,866
We have done a dude job building

2731
01:53:40,866 --> 01:53:43,168
parks I just don't want to end

2732
01:53:43,168 --> 01:53:44,303
up in a situation where we're

2733
01:53:44,303 --> 01:53:46,703
requiring we're going against

2734
01:53:47,172 --> 01:53:49,572
the staff's recommendation to

2735
01:53:49,642 --> 01:53:52,444
not have more restrictive open

2736
01:53:52,444 --> 01:53:53,879
space regulations because we

2737
01:53:53,879 --> 01:53:55,800
have already built such

2738
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,160
wonderful parks and you aright

2739
01:53:58,160 --> 01:53:59,718
the private citizens that have

2740
01:53:59,718 --> 01:53:59,985
done this should be thanked and

2741
01:53:59,985 --> 01:54:01,985
respected.

2742
01:54:03,589 --> 01:54:06,158
And now if we can buildup on

2743
01:54:06,158 --> 01:54:07,759
every inch of the land we can it

2744
01:54:07,759 --> 01:54:09,762
will only benefit the community.

2745
01:54:09,762 --> 01:54:11,762
>> commissioner worth?

2746
01:54:12,899 --> 01:54:13,899
>> I'm switching gears here just

2747
01:54:13,899 --> 01:54:15,899
a little bit.

2748
01:54:17,202 --> 01:54:20,373
I would like to talk about on

2749
01:54:20,373 --> 01:54:21,541
page 12, the building height the

2750
01:54:21,541 --> 01:54:23,541
second bullet.

2751
01:54:42,950 --> 01:54:43,829
about the step down.

2752
01:54:43,829 --> 01:54:45,632
Yes, robin's version.

2753
01:54:45,632 --> 01:54:47,632
Just to clarify.

2754
01:54:48,301 --> 01:54:51,671
We have essentially got I don't

2755
01:54:51,671 --> 01:54:53,640
want to us auto the word

2756
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:55,575
precedent, it has legal

2757
01:54:55,575 --> 01:54:58,412
implications but this is basicly

2758
01:54:58,412 --> 01:55:00,881
what we did with the plan where

2759
01:55:00,881 --> 01:55:02,716
we revisited that original plan

2760
01:55:02,716 --> 01:55:05,716
and requested that the developer

2761
01:55:06,386 --> 01:55:07,887
include a step down to increase

2762
01:55:07,887 --> 01:55:08,221
light availability for the

2763
01:55:08,221 --> 01:55:10,221
neighborhood.

2764
01:55:12,893 --> 01:55:13,560
Is that what we're talking about

2765
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,560
here?

2766
01:55:20,434 --> 01:55:22,803
>> just to clarify, that this

2767
01:55:22,803 --> 01:55:25,203
addition or substitution would

2768
01:55:26,730 --> 01:55:29,730
not have solved that problem

2769
01:55:29,543 --> 01:55:32,746
because that was caused by the

2770
01:55:32,746 --> 01:55:35,146
tremendous length of the

2771
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:38,180
building and its location on the

2772
01:55:38,180 --> 01:55:39,486
southside and those buildings

2773
01:55:39,486 --> 01:55:41,355
that would have been completely

2774
01:55:41,355 --> 01:55:43,857
shaded would have been across

2775
01:55:43,857 --> 01:55:46,600
the street, which neither the

2776
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:46,860
staff's original text nor this

2777
01:55:46,860 --> 01:55:48,729
would have solved.

2778
01:55:48,729 --> 01:55:50,597
>> so that's not the problem

2779
01:55:50,597 --> 01:55:52,767
we're trying to solve.

2780
01:55:52,767 --> 01:55:54,635
It is the abrupt difference in

2781
01:55:54,635 --> 01:55:55,837
the variation of height between

2782
01:55:55,837 --> 01:55:58,237
the neighborhood and this

2783
01:55:58,272 --> 01:55:59,474
structure being developed?

2784
01:55:59,474 --> 01:55:59,974
Is that I'm trying to figure

2785
01:55:59,974 --> 01:56:01,974
out.

2786
01:56:06,747 --> 01:56:08,917
>> yeah, so it is the --

2787
01:56:08,917 --> 01:56:11,719
let's say that you have an r-4

2788
01:56:11,719 --> 01:56:13,388
with a 60 foot height the way

2789
01:56:13,388 --> 01:56:16,988
it's written now with the staff,

2790
01:56:17,392 --> 01:56:20,762
and you have a a home in one of

2791
01:56:20,762 --> 01:56:23,162
the downtown neighborhoods that

2792
01:56:24,899 --> 01:56:27,336
is one storey like we saw on

2793
01:56:27,336 --> 01:56:28,636
lexington avenue that the

2794
01:56:28,636 --> 01:56:30,636
current project under

2795
01:56:31,539 --> 01:56:33,441
construction wraps on two sides.

2796
01:56:33,441 --> 01:56:36,544
In the zone change process on

2797
01:56:36,544 --> 01:56:39,544
that one side on lexington

2798
01:56:44,352 --> 01:56:45,420
avenue, they stepped it down.

2799
01:56:45,420 --> 01:56:47,655
This in the current most of

2800
01:56:47,655 --> 01:56:50,910
those I'm not sure that parcel

2801
01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:52,927
but most of the parcels are r-4.

2802
01:56:52,927 --> 01:56:54,697
In the current version by staff,

2803
01:56:54,697 --> 01:56:57,332
they would need to step it down

2804
01:56:57,332 --> 01:56:59,332
to 60 feet.

2805
01:57:01,336 --> 01:57:02,771
So something around five or six

2806
01:57:02,771 --> 01:57:04,771
storeys.

2807
01:57:06,475 --> 01:57:10,750
Five storeys I suppose in most

2808
01:57:11,113 --> 01:57:12,181
applications.

2809
01:57:12,181 --> 01:57:14,581
This alternative language would

2810
01:57:14,617 --> 01:57:16,510
mean they need to step it down

2811
01:57:16,510 --> 01:57:19,288
to the height of the existing

2812
01:57:19,288 --> 01:57:21,257
building so the existing context

2813
01:57:21,257 --> 01:57:23,125
plus 10 feet.

2814
01:57:23,125 --> 01:57:25,828
They could go a storey higher

2815
01:57:25,828 --> 01:57:27,630
than what is currently there for

2816
01:57:27,630 --> 01:57:28,131
the initial portion of their

2817
01:57:28,131 --> 01:57:30,131
building.

2818
01:57:30,900 --> 01:57:31,134
They would have a 12 foot

2819
01:57:31,134 --> 01:57:33,134
setback.

2820
01:57:34,737 --> 01:57:35,771
So 30 some odd feet of the

2821
01:57:35,771 --> 01:57:37,874
building would need to step down

2822
01:57:37,874 --> 01:57:38,641
and then they could go up to the

2823
01:57:38,641 --> 01:57:40,641
full heighth.

2824
01:57:42,578 --> 01:57:43,212
>> and just the other

2825
01:57:43,212 --> 01:57:45,612
clarification, the portion where

2826
01:57:46,816 --> 01:57:49,186
you are talking about building a

2827
01:57:49,186 --> 01:57:51,688
project that is not as high as

2828
01:57:51,688 --> 01:57:52,856
the current required minimum

2829
01:57:52,856 --> 01:57:54,724
height, could you tell me what

2830
01:57:54,724 --> 01:57:56,326
you are thinking about in terms

2831
01:57:56,326 --> 01:57:56,626
of what that kind of

2832
01:57:56,626 --> 01:57:58,626
development.

2833
01:57:59,296 --> 01:58:00,397
>> I think commissioner nicol

2834
01:58:00,397 --> 01:58:02,699
highlighted a couple of them.

2835
01:58:02,699 --> 01:58:05,340
We have gatton park and

2836
01:58:05,340 --> 01:58:05,235
commissioner penn we have gatton

2837
01:58:05,235 --> 01:58:06,903
park.

2838
01:58:06,903 --> 01:58:07,303
>> that is not the question I'm

2839
01:58:07,303 --> 01:58:09,303
asking.

2840
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:13,343
>> but those are the types of

2841
01:58:13,343 --> 01:58:15,612
like pocket parks, public parks,

2842
01:58:15,612 --> 01:58:16,813
of community gardens those often

2843
01:58:16,813 --> 01:58:18,415
have accessory structures that

2844
01:58:18,415 --> 01:58:19,983
do not meet minimums and they

2845
01:58:19,983 --> 01:58:23,583
are called for in our plan.

2846
01:58:24,540 --> 01:58:25,889
We have gatton park that was

2847
01:58:25,889 --> 01:58:27,910
privately developed park like

2848
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:27,324
that would be subject to our

2849
01:58:27,324 --> 01:58:29,260
zoning.

2850
01:58:29,260 --> 01:58:30,560
They have a kiosk that serves

2851
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:32,563
food they have a community room.

2852
01:58:32,563 --> 01:58:34,963
They have a stage.

2853
01:58:36,233 --> 01:58:39,833
At phoenix park or at pocket

2854
01:58:40,270 --> 01:58:42,906
park you might put a gazebo that

2855
01:58:42,906 --> 01:58:45,376
would not meet the minimum

2856
01:58:45,376 --> 01:58:46,477
building standards someone with

2857
01:58:46,477 --> 01:58:48,880
this provision could come and

2858
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:51,181
show they are building a gazebo

2859
01:58:51,181 --> 01:58:52,516
and it is in compliance with the

2860
01:58:52,516 --> 01:58:55,516
downtown master plan that is

2861
01:58:57,321 --> 01:59:00,321
calling for a greener downtown.

2862
01:59:00,658 --> 01:59:03,527
The way this is written it

2863
01:59:03,527 --> 01:59:05,927
doesn't differentiate a gazebo

2864
01:59:08,899 --> 01:59:11,299
from an apartment building.

2865
01:59:11,335 --> 01:59:14,335
>> so if I'm understanding you

2866
01:59:14,639 --> 01:59:15,673
you are thinking about more of

2867
01:59:15,673 --> 01:59:17,673
an accessory structure?

2868
01:59:23,748 --> 01:59:25,316
>> well, it depends on the use.

2869
01:59:25,316 --> 01:59:27,251
I think we are --

2870
01:59:27,251 --> 01:59:29,320
I think it would be harder for

2871
01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:30,889
someone to make the case to the

2872
01:59:30,889 --> 01:59:31,923
planning commission if they are

2873
01:59:31,923 --> 01:59:34,323
building apartments and coming

2874
01:59:34,526 --> 01:59:36,428
in and asking to go below the

2875
01:59:36,428 --> 01:59:36,895
minimums that we've set in the

2876
01:59:36,895 --> 01:59:38,895
zone.

2877
01:59:40,980 --> 01:59:43,168
But if someone is coming in

2878
01:59:43,168 --> 01:59:47,368
slide from staff on one of the

2879
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:51,440
things that it's encouraging is

2880
01:59:56,214 --> 01:59:58,214
artists and manufacturing.

2881
01:59:58,716 --> 02:00:01,116
There's that you know.

2882
02:00:02,210 --> 02:00:04,355
We've seen that business we have

2883
02:00:04,355 --> 02:00:07,425
in town that has been doing the

2884
02:00:07,425 --> 02:00:10,425
glass blowing with a speakeasy.

2885
02:00:16,969 --> 02:00:19,440
That really relies on really hot

2886
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:22,440
kill kilometres an hour and,

2887
02:00:25,343 --> 02:00:28,514
kiln they are doing a use that

2888
02:00:28,514 --> 02:00:30,149
is not oriented towards a three

2889
02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:31,817
storey building but it's called

2890
02:00:31,817 --> 02:00:36,170
for in the zone and called for

2891
02:00:36,189 --> 02:00:37,657
in the downtown master plan.

2892
02:00:37,657 --> 02:00:38,223
>> okay.

2893
02:00:38,223 --> 02:00:39,592
Commissioner davis?

2894
02:00:39,592 --> 02:00:41,592
>> thank you, chair.

2895
02:00:41,660 --> 02:00:44,930
I hate to put staff on the spot

2896
02:00:44,930 --> 02:00:46,666
but I'm curious what is the

2897
02:00:46,666 --> 02:00:47,866
minimum open space for the b2

2898
02:00:47,866 --> 02:00:49,866
zone.

2899
02:00:50,703 --> 02:00:52,572
It says see article 20 for open

2900
02:00:52,572 --> 02:00:54,572
space regulations.

2901
02:01:01,648 --> 02:01:02,915
thank you, boyd.

2902
02:01:02,915 --> 02:01:05,985
Could you please let me know

2903
02:01:05,985 --> 02:01:07,887
what the minimum open space per

2904
02:01:07,887 --> 02:01:08,187
the staff version page 6 with

2905
02:01:08,187 --> 02:01:10,187
the b2 zone.

2906
02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:17,897
>> the b2 zone, b2a, b2b has 5%

2907
02:01:17,897 --> 02:01:19,897
usable and 0% vegetative.

2908
02:01:20,566 --> 02:01:22,966
And the two lou.

2909
02:01:25,339 --> 02:01:28,339
>> b2a has the 5 prefers.

2910
02:01:28,441 --> 02:01:30,441
B2 has zero.

2911
02:01:31,278 --> 02:01:33,790
>> zero but usable it's 5%.

2912
02:01:33,790 --> 02:01:35,479
>> tell me that again.

2913
02:01:35,982 --> 02:01:38,985
In b2 you have to have 5% open

2914
02:01:38,985 --> 02:01:39,253
space but none has to be

2915
02:01:39,253 --> 02:01:41,253
vegetated.

2916
02:01:42,556 --> 02:01:43,560
>> usable open space but not

2917
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:44,291
vegetated.

2918
02:01:44,291 --> 02:01:46,291
>> a patio?

2919
02:01:47,940 --> 02:01:49,129
>> we do not have usable space

2920
02:01:49,129 --> 02:01:52,499
is space that can be used it can

2921
02:01:52,499 --> 02:01:54,902
be a plaza, it can be a rooftop

2922
02:01:54,902 --> 02:01:56,360
swimming area with all the

2923
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:58,360
amenities there.

2924
02:01:59,940 --> 02:02:01,275
That the area has to total 5%.

2925
02:02:01,275 --> 02:02:04,450
A vegetated space according to

2926
02:02:04,450 --> 02:02:05,346
the ordinance is space that has

2927
02:02:05,346 --> 02:02:06,547
vegetation.

2928
02:02:06,547 --> 02:02:08,547
70% vegetation.

2929
02:02:08,883 --> 02:02:11,819
It doesn't have to be trees or

2930
02:02:11,819 --> 02:02:14,155
shrubs it can be grass and grass

2931
02:02:14,155 --> 02:02:16,424
will qualify as the vegetated

2932
02:02:16,424 --> 02:02:19,493
space the 10% space that you are

2933
02:02:19,493 --> 02:02:23,930
getting 70% of that has to be

2934
02:02:23,397 --> 02:02:23,597
vegetated with staff like just

2935
02:02:23,597 --> 02:02:25,597
grass.

2936
02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:28,336
And so I'm not sure about how

2937
02:02:28,336 --> 02:02:30,238
much just having grass on your

2938
02:02:30,238 --> 02:02:30,905
property will add

2939
02:02:30,905 --> 02:02:32,905
environmentally.

2940
02:02:33,400 --> 02:02:33,340
But that's how our ordinance is

2941
02:02:33,340 --> 02:02:35,340
written.

2942
02:02:35,976 --> 02:02:38,979
>> so just in response to what

2943
02:02:38,979 --> 02:02:39,214
we've been hearing a lot we

2944
02:02:39,214 --> 02:02:41,214
don't --

2945
02:02:41,215 --> 02:02:42,617
we're trying to reduce heat

2946
02:02:42,617 --> 02:02:45,386
islands because if we have a

2947
02:02:45,386 --> 02:02:47,956
built up b2 zone, we're going to

2948
02:02:47,956 --> 02:02:49,724
need relief from the constant

2949
02:02:49,724 --> 02:02:50,358
paving and asphalt I think that

2950
02:02:50,358 --> 02:02:52,293
makes sense.

2951
02:02:52,293 --> 02:02:55,764
so we don't have a lot of open

2952
02:02:55,764 --> 02:02:57,332
space in b2.

2953
02:02:57,332 --> 02:02:58,967
As we leave downtown to the

2954
02:02:58,967 --> 02:03:00,768
businesses that surround it

2955
02:03:00,768 --> 02:03:04,368
there should be a transition in

2956
02:03:06,141 --> 02:03:08,944
what kind of green it might be

2957
02:03:08,944 --> 02:03:12,281
in appearance that is why sorry

2958
02:03:12,281 --> 02:03:13,150
boyd, I think commissioner

2959
02:03:13,150 --> 02:03:15,415
michler's proposals make sense

2960
02:03:16,551 --> 02:03:18,520
in terms of providing a visual

2961
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:21,323
transition and a transition from

2962
02:03:21,323 --> 02:03:21,823
a very dense to still dense but

2963
02:03:21,823 --> 02:03:23,823
some green.

2964
02:03:24,426 --> 02:03:26,294
And I also think his

2965
02:03:26,294 --> 02:03:28,694
recommendations about the step

2966
02:03:29,465 --> 02:03:33,101
down in the b2b, does something

2967
02:03:33,101 --> 02:03:35,370
more in keeping with the

2968
02:03:35,370 --> 02:03:36,672
adjacent property perhaps not as

2969
02:03:36,672 --> 02:03:37,906
it's built now is very

2970
02:03:37,906 --> 02:03:39,341
appropriate and we've heard how

2971
02:03:39,341 --> 02:03:40,342
much people are interested in

2972
02:03:40,342 --> 02:03:42,342
having that.

2973
02:03:42,945 --> 02:03:44,614
That is just what I think.

2974
02:03:44,614 --> 02:03:46,614
>> thank you.

2975
02:03:48,884 --> 02:03:50,884
>> clarify one thing?

2976
02:03:51,253 --> 02:03:53,322
Just, boyd, can you just to be

2977
02:03:53,322 --> 02:03:55,557
make sure we're all on the same

2978
02:03:55,557 --> 02:03:57,660
page here, that vegetative open

2979
02:03:57,660 --> 02:03:59,795
space requirement that I

2980
02:03:59,795 --> 02:04:01,970
suggesting for the b2a on

2981
02:04:01,970 --> 02:04:04,970
projects that are greater than

2982
02:04:05,501 --> 02:04:08,771
one acre, that can be also on a

2983
02:04:08,771 --> 02:04:11,400
rooftop the same way that the

2984
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:12,275
same way the open space can be

2985
02:04:12,275 --> 02:04:12,541
I that correct?

2986
02:04:12,541 --> 02:04:14,541
>> yes.

2987
02:04:14,644 --> 02:04:15,845
It can be on the rooftop and

2988
02:04:15,845 --> 02:04:18,845
there are incentives for having

2989
02:04:19,716 --> 02:04:21,484
it as a rooftop or vertical

2990
02:04:21,484 --> 02:04:23,484
walls there incentives.

2991
02:04:24,921 --> 02:04:26,689
It goes from the ten% to smaller

2992
02:04:26,689 --> 02:04:28,689
than 10%.

2993
02:04:29,593 --> 02:04:31,161
>> thanks for that clarification

2994
02:04:31,161 --> 02:04:33,161
>> commissioner?

2995
02:04:35,999 --> 02:04:37,999
>> thank you.

2996
02:04:41,271 --> 02:04:42,406
I can always appreciate the

2997
02:04:42,406 --> 02:04:45,406
comrade nicol's exoments when we

2998
02:04:47,577 --> 02:04:47,944
start talking about building

2999
02:04:47,944 --> 02:04:49,944
about building.

3000
02:04:52,149 --> 02:04:52,649
>> I prefer patriot, I prefer

3001
02:04:52,649 --> 02:04:54,649
patriot.

3002
02:04:55,352 --> 02:04:57,621
Sovereign citizen and patriot.

3003
02:04:57,621 --> 02:05:00,621
>> building up and not out.

3004
02:05:01,992 --> 02:05:03,427
I know I used to sit next to

3005
02:05:03,427 --> 02:05:05,562
fellow commission member that

3006
02:05:05,562 --> 02:05:09,162
would kick me under the desk

3007
02:05:09,166 --> 02:05:12,766
here if I even mentioned that.

3008
02:05:12,904 --> 02:05:14,438
But I think we're all in this

3009
02:05:14,438 --> 02:05:16,438
together.

3010
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:18,141
And in looking at and I

3011
02:05:18,141 --> 02:05:20,141
appreciate the clarification

3012
02:05:20,645 --> 02:05:21,578
just now as far as vegetative

3013
02:05:21,578 --> 02:05:23,578
open space.

3014
02:05:24,915 --> 02:05:28,318
I mean we can get stuck and

3015
02:05:28,318 --> 02:05:30,120
think about as MR. Nicol said

3016
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:32,120
pocket parks.

3017
02:05:32,923 --> 02:05:35,627
But I'm going to say more

3018
02:05:35,627 --> 02:05:37,627
nontraditional pen space,

3019
02:05:38,395 --> 02:05:41,395
vegetated space which would be

3020
02:05:42,900 --> 02:05:44,369
on a rooftop, inside the

3021
02:05:44,369 --> 02:05:46,871
building or outside the building

3022
02:05:46,871 --> 02:05:48,639
even but not necessarily on the

3023
02:05:48,639 --> 02:05:50,740
good floor it could be second

3024
02:05:50,740 --> 02:05:50,841
floor or third floor or

3025
02:05:50,841 --> 02:05:52,841
something like that.

3026
02:05:56,470 --> 02:05:58,649
I think that would be a definite

3027
02:05:58,649 --> 02:06:00,485
plus and an amenity if we can

3028
02:06:00,485 --> 02:06:01,519
talk the developers into it.

3029
02:06:01,519 --> 02:06:03,554
And people would want to be

3030
02:06:03,554 --> 02:06:05,554
there.

3031
02:06:05,724 --> 02:06:07,792
And they MAY have to spend it on

3032
02:06:07,792 --> 02:06:10,294
the front end but they will get

3033
02:06:10,294 --> 02:06:12,530
it back on the back end as far

3034
02:06:12,530 --> 02:06:13,731
as a return if we can get it

3035
02:06:13,731 --> 02:06:15,731
built like that.

3036
02:06:19,700 --> 02:06:23,270
I'm very much in favor of that.

3037
02:06:24,743 --> 02:06:27,646
With the setbacks, step downs, I

3038
02:06:27,646 --> 02:06:28,947
can see that once again I'm very

3039
02:06:28,947 --> 02:06:29,414
much into building up and not

3040
02:06:29,414 --> 02:06:31,414
out.

3041
02:06:31,416 --> 02:06:34,419
But I do think we have to

3042
02:06:34,419 --> 02:06:36,889
respect what is there currently.

3043
02:06:36,889 --> 02:06:38,390
And it MAY change if the

3044
02:06:38,390 --> 02:06:40,125
developer wants to gain access

3045
02:06:40,125 --> 02:06:43,361
to that property and he doesn't

3046
02:06:43,361 --> 02:06:43,963
have to worry about it at that

3047
02:06:43,963 --> 02:06:45,963
point.

3048
02:06:46,599 --> 02:06:50,199
I think this is a workable

3049
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:55,107
solution I will put it that way.

3050
02:06:55,107 --> 02:06:58,107
Specifically, I think when we're

3051
02:06:58,510 --> 02:07:00,446
talking about the side yard rear

3052
02:07:00,446 --> 02:07:01,780
yard setback and the

3053
02:07:01,780 --> 02:07:03,780
restrictions of mechanical

3054
02:07:04,617 --> 02:07:06,385
stuff, I've seen I want to

3055
02:07:06,385 --> 02:07:09,221
clarify, I've seen language or

3056
02:07:09,221 --> 02:07:09,522
heard discussion that included

3057
02:07:09,522 --> 02:07:11,391
generators.

3058
02:07:11,391 --> 02:07:13,259
I don't know if that got level

3059
02:07:13,259 --> 02:07:16,696
out or intended to be there and

3060
02:07:16,696 --> 02:07:17,330
you can't put it all in there at

3061
02:07:17,330 --> 02:07:19,330
one time.

3062
02:07:20,433 --> 02:07:24,330
But I think that should be

3063
02:07:24,938 --> 02:07:26,938
included as well.

3064
02:07:29,342 --> 02:07:31,430
Lastly, robin mentioned that

3065
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:32,979
some of this language didn't

3066
02:07:32,979 --> 02:07:35,248
apply to all three zones.

3067
02:07:35,248 --> 02:07:37,349
And I'm wondering should that

3068
02:07:37,349 --> 02:07:40,190
language as far as side yard,

3069
02:07:40,190 --> 02:07:41,321
rear yard with the mechanical

3070
02:07:41,321 --> 02:07:42,621
restrictions be included in the

3071
02:07:42,621 --> 02:07:44,621
other two zones?

3072
02:07:46,250 --> 02:07:47,293
That is one question I've got

3073
02:07:47,293 --> 02:07:50,764
out of the comments I had.

3074
02:07:50,764 --> 02:07:53,164
>> are you asking staff?

3075
02:07:59,390 --> 02:08:01,439
Staff and or robin.

3076
02:08:09,816 --> 02:08:12,816
>> I would be happy to.

3077
02:08:13,954 --> 02:08:15,954
Commissioner michler.

3078
02:08:20,527 --> 02:08:21,862
>> well, that's a reasonable

3079
02:08:21,862 --> 02:08:25,132
question and I'm open to it

3080
02:08:25,132 --> 02:08:28,132
because I think it's important

3081
02:08:30,700 --> 02:08:31,805
that the as we do build larkser

3082
02:08:31,805 --> 02:08:34,205
projects and larger buildings

3083
02:08:35,810 --> 02:08:38,810
that these sort of mechanicals

3084
02:08:39,413 --> 02:08:42,917
do go up on the roof or internal

3085
02:08:42,917 --> 02:08:45,920
to the project or inside the

3086
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:48,623
building like the trash compact

3087
02:08:48,623 --> 02:08:49,523
for on the project on maxwell

3088
02:08:49,523 --> 02:08:51,920
went inside of the building.

3089
02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:53,327
But I think it's in there

3090
02:08:53,327 --> 02:08:56,927
because it came up really at

3091
02:08:57,331 --> 02:08:59,731
that discussion of that

3092
02:09:02,937 --> 02:09:04,472
intersection of the downtown and

3093
02:09:04,472 --> 02:09:06,472
the residential neighborhoods.

3094
02:09:07,342 --> 02:09:10,511
I think the number I mean, I

3095
02:09:10,511 --> 02:09:12,981
think if we added the number of

3096
02:09:12,981 --> 02:09:14,115
strictly b2 properties that

3097
02:09:14,115 --> 02:09:16,115
intersect residential I'm

3098
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:20,789
guessing is probably low but

3099
02:09:20,789 --> 02:09:23,324
maybe staff can speak to that or

3100
02:09:23,324 --> 02:09:26,128
speak to their thought process.

3101
02:09:26,128 --> 02:09:28,430
but I think it was really that

3102
02:09:28,430 --> 02:09:30,899
part came up in the discussion

3103
02:09:30,899 --> 02:09:33,101
at the intersection of that

3104
02:09:33,101 --> 02:09:33,902
downtown frame the b2a with the

3105
02:09:33,902 --> 02:09:35,403
residential and got included

3106
02:09:35,403 --> 02:09:37,403
there.

3107
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:41,740
But I'm open to other thoughts

3108
02:09:43,612 --> 02:09:44,847
on that.

3109
02:09:44,847 --> 02:09:46,847
>> all right.

3110
02:09:47,150 --> 02:09:48,490
The staff want to comment on

3111
02:09:48,490 --> 02:09:50,490
that or no?

3112
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:54,487
>> I will read this.

3113
02:09:54,523 --> 02:09:56,125
The side or year yard setback

3114
02:09:56,125 --> 02:09:58,525
adjacent to residential zoning

3115
02:09:59,428 --> 02:10:00,896
shall be no mechanical systems

3116
02:10:00,896 --> 02:10:02,198
heating, ventilation,

3117
02:10:02,198 --> 02:10:04,198
air-conditioning, or trash

3118
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:07,600
compacttors within this site and

3119
02:10:08,404 --> 02:10:10,305
year yard setback from this

3120
02:10:10,305 --> 02:10:12,208
discussion we made it clear to

3121
02:10:12,208 --> 02:10:16,408
go to the rooftop or the garage

3122
02:10:16,578 --> 02:10:19,150
and in the front yard.

3123
02:10:19,150 --> 02:10:21,617
Since the front yard the way

3124
02:10:21,617 --> 02:10:23,617
it's written.

3125
02:10:24,520 --> 02:10:26,923
I didn't notice that until just

3126
02:10:26,923 --> 02:10:27,223
now and listening to the

3127
02:10:27,223 --> 02:10:29,223
discussion.

3128
02:10:29,492 --> 02:10:31,394
And I realized you can have your

3129
02:10:31,394 --> 02:10:32,728
mechanicals in the front yard

3130
02:10:32,728 --> 02:10:33,363
between the street and the

3131
02:10:33,363 --> 02:10:35,363
building.

3132
02:10:36,980 --> 02:10:37,834
So maybe it needs more work.

3133
02:10:37,834 --> 02:10:39,834
>> MR. Chair?

3134
02:10:40,202 --> 02:10:42,905
Fivment we approved the staff

3135
02:10:42,905 --> 02:10:45,700
alternative without that then it

3136
02:10:45,700 --> 02:10:46,509
is allowed in any spot is is

3137
02:10:46,509 --> 02:10:46,776
that correct?

3138
02:10:46,776 --> 02:10:48,776
>> yes.

3139
02:10:52,820 --> 02:10:52,482
We don't address where that goes

3140
02:10:52,482 --> 02:10:54,482
in our ordinance.

3141
02:10:56,520 --> 02:10:57,530
>> the staff just recommendation

3142
02:10:57,530 --> 02:10:58,488
doesn't address that is that

3143
02:10:58,488 --> 02:11:00,690
what you are saying?

3144
02:11:00,690 --> 02:11:03,900
>> exception in the ordinance

3145
02:11:07,897 --> 02:11:10,660
but it's for residential zones.

3146
02:11:10,660 --> 02:11:12,660
>> we are discussing

3147
02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:15,538
commissioner michler's proposal

3148
02:11:15,538 --> 02:11:17,938
for having mechanical systems

3149
02:11:19,420 --> 02:11:19,443
like the heating, ventlation,

3150
02:11:19,443 --> 02:11:21,443
air-conditioning.

3151
02:11:22,513 --> 02:11:23,614
>> are we saying it goes in all

3152
02:11:23,614 --> 02:11:23,914
three sections what are we

3153
02:11:23,914 --> 02:11:25,914
saying?

3154
02:11:29,319 --> 02:11:31,254
>> from this language I realized

3155
02:11:31,254 --> 02:11:32,856
this --

3156
02:11:32,856 --> 02:11:35,250
MRS. Worth with the language

3157
02:11:35,250 --> 02:11:37,961
discussed MR. Owens was asking

3158
02:11:37,961 --> 02:11:38,162
if it could go in all three

3159
02:11:38,162 --> 02:11:39,829
zones.

3160
02:11:39,829 --> 02:11:42,333
Staff would that recommend that

3161
02:11:42,333 --> 02:11:44,334
put be in all three zones this

3162
02:11:44,334 --> 02:11:45,903
was described in our

3163
02:11:45,903 --> 02:11:48,339
conversation and what we wrote

3164
02:11:48,339 --> 02:11:51,420
on this as a recommendation for

3165
02:11:51,420 --> 02:11:52,443
a transition between the densest

3166
02:11:52,443 --> 02:11:55,443
portions of our downtown areas

3167
02:11:56,681 --> 02:11:58,215
being the b2 and b2b goingna the

3168
02:11:58,215 --> 02:11:59,917
b2a and that is the location of

3169
02:11:59,917 --> 02:12:02,352
the protections and that gets

3170
02:12:02,352 --> 02:12:04,254
into the adjacency of

3171
02:12:04,254 --> 02:12:07,559
residential zones to the b2a

3172
02:12:07,559 --> 02:12:11,950
zone that b2a being a frame.

3173
02:12:11,950 --> 02:12:12,897
>> are you all agreeing to staff

3174
02:12:12,897 --> 02:12:14,897
agreeing to this?

3175
02:12:16,233 --> 02:12:19,370
>> this is as staff has reviewed

3176
02:12:19,370 --> 02:12:20,738
it staff is comfortable with our

3177
02:12:20,738 --> 02:12:21,205
language that has been provided

3178
02:12:21,205 --> 02:12:23,205
today.

3179
02:12:23,241 --> 02:12:24,342
I couldn't give you a clear

3180
02:12:24,342 --> 02:12:26,342
recommendation from staff

3181
02:12:26,611 --> 02:12:28,713
because we're talking about this

3182
02:12:28,713 --> 02:12:29,981
this was done in collaboration

3183
02:12:29,981 --> 02:12:31,783
with MR. Michler.

3184
02:12:31,783 --> 02:12:33,785
And that staff present to do

3185
02:12:33,785 --> 02:12:34,252
here so it fit the text that we

3186
02:12:34,252 --> 02:12:36,252
have.

3187
02:12:36,421 --> 02:12:38,523
>> when you are saying is

3188
02:12:38,523 --> 02:12:40,559
language has presented today, in

3189
02:12:40,559 --> 02:12:40,992
your version or in MR.

3190
02:12:40,992 --> 02:12:42,992
Michler's version?

3191
02:12:43,895 --> 02:12:46,664
>> the staff is presented the

3192
02:12:46,664 --> 02:12:49,101
staff's version which was what

3193
02:12:49,101 --> 02:12:49,634
boyd sewe presented today

3194
02:12:49,634 --> 02:12:51,470
modifications would be

3195
02:12:51,470 --> 02:12:53,138
amendments to the staff's

3196
02:12:53,138 --> 02:12:54,105
language as proposed by MR.

3197
02:12:54,105 --> 02:12:56,474
Michler in the document that you

3198
02:12:56,474 --> 02:12:58,874
are seeing right now.

3199
02:12:59,144 --> 02:13:00,450
Staff did produce that for MR.

3200
02:13:00,450 --> 02:13:02,450
Michler following conversations

3201
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:02,747
to make sure it fit the

3202
02:13:02,747 --> 02:13:04,483
ordinance.

3203
02:13:04,483 --> 02:13:06,819
And that really represents what

3204
02:13:06,819 --> 02:13:07,953
MR. Michler has heard from the

3205
02:13:07,953 --> 02:13:08,954
public during the meetings and

3206
02:13:08,954 --> 02:13:10,954
his concerns.

3207
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:14,826
>> can I get to the bottom line.

3208
02:13:14,826 --> 02:13:16,361
Staff is not yet prepared to say

3209
02:13:16,361 --> 02:13:17,529
that should be included in the

3210
02:13:17,529 --> 02:13:19,529
version you've presented?

3211
02:13:20,132 --> 02:13:21,400
>> bottom line is that staff is

3212
02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:22,634
comfortable with the language we

3213
02:13:22,634 --> 02:13:24,634
have proposed.

3214
02:13:24,670 --> 02:13:27,506
And that the language presented

3215
02:13:27,506 --> 02:13:28,975
here today is modifications

3216
02:13:28,975 --> 02:13:31,143
there in to represent the

3217
02:13:31,143 --> 02:13:33,543
concerns MR. Michler heard.

3218
02:13:33,880 --> 02:13:35,548
>> MADAM Chair can I ask a

3219
02:13:35,548 --> 02:13:37,282
question.

3220
02:13:37,282 --> 02:13:39,351
It doesn't seem like we've come

3221
02:13:39,351 --> 02:13:40,352
to any agreements can we

3222
02:13:40,352 --> 02:13:42,121
continue this?

3223
02:13:42,121 --> 02:13:44,691
Not postpone it because we have

3224
02:13:44,691 --> 02:13:46,792
to start it all over again.

3225
02:13:46,792 --> 02:13:48,560
I'm just asking?

3226
02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:50,296
Because it seems like there are

3227
02:13:50,296 --> 02:13:52,696
several pieces of information

3228
02:13:52,765 --> 02:13:53,866
that staff MAY need time to look

3229
02:13:53,866 --> 02:13:56,266
at if MR. Michler.

3230
02:13:56,802 --> 02:13:57,970
>> I think that makes sense if

3231
02:13:57,970 --> 02:14:00,640
somebody wants to make a motion.

3232
02:14:00,640 --> 02:14:02,441
>> one question the staff has

3233
02:14:02,441 --> 02:14:04,410
seen his recommendations what

3234
02:14:04,410 --> 02:14:05,578
they are saying they are

3235
02:14:05,578 --> 02:14:08,578
comfortable with where they are.

3236
02:14:09,349 --> 02:14:11,851
Now the question is back to the

3237
02:14:11,851 --> 02:14:13,851
commission.

3238
02:14:15,822 --> 02:14:18,910
And that is do by want to put

3239
02:14:18,910 --> 02:14:20,910
the regular format.

3240
02:14:21,327 --> 02:14:22,862
In other words the staff is

3241
02:14:22,862 --> 02:14:24,862
happy.

3242
02:14:26,466 --> 02:14:28,340
>> from us we are --

3243
02:14:28,340 --> 02:14:30,203
that is the second part the

3244
02:14:30,203 --> 02:14:31,905
other part is too, is that the

3245
02:14:31,905 --> 02:14:34,207
process might be that we vote on

3246
02:14:34,207 --> 02:14:36,176
even one of these items.

3247
02:14:36,176 --> 02:14:38,178
We don't have to vote on the

3248
02:14:38,178 --> 02:14:38,878
whole thing even with further

3249
02:14:38,878 --> 02:14:40,878
discussion.

3250
02:14:42,116 --> 02:14:45,116
But I understand we need

3251
02:14:45,853 --> 02:14:47,254
sometime to have a continuation.

3252
02:14:47,254 --> 02:14:48,688
>> I will make a motion to

3253
02:14:48,688 --> 02:14:51,688
continue if you would like.

3254
02:14:52,626 --> 02:14:55,280
Because I think we need more

3255
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,280
time.

3256
02:14:57,198 --> 02:14:59,598
>> my understanding we would

3257
02:14:59,700 --> 02:15:02,700
continue to allow the commission

3258
02:15:03,104 --> 02:15:04,705
time to review and digest the

3259
02:15:04,705 --> 02:15:06,273
recommendations from

3260
02:15:06,273 --> 02:15:08,273
commissioner michler.

3261
02:15:10,211 --> 02:15:13,346
And then we would come back and

3262
02:15:13,346 --> 02:15:15,649
basically vote on each item as

3263
02:15:15,649 --> 02:15:16,750
to the appropriateness of

3264
02:15:16,750 --> 02:15:18,750
leaving it in.

3265
02:15:18,920 --> 02:15:20,755
>> excuse me just a minute but

3266
02:15:20,755 --> 02:15:24,258
the problem is that while we're

3267
02:15:24,258 --> 02:15:26,658
talking about this, we're

3268
02:15:28,462 --> 02:15:28,796
reading this.

3269
02:15:28,796 --> 02:15:30,498
And robin's --

3270
02:15:30,498 --> 02:15:32,498
MR. Michler's recommendations

3271
02:15:34,502 --> 02:15:35,837
were given to us today.

3272
02:15:35,837 --> 02:15:37,837
>> just today.

3273
02:15:38,106 --> 02:15:40,106
>> or yesterday, whatever.

3274
02:15:42,343 --> 02:15:45,943
>> it was today but just today.

3275
02:15:46,380 --> 02:15:48,483
>> I'm not comfortable saying

3276
02:15:48,483 --> 02:15:50,850
let's just include all of MR.

3277
02:15:50,850 --> 02:15:52,850
Michler's recommendations and

3278
02:15:52,987 --> 02:15:55,560
neither am I comfortable saying

3279
02:15:55,560 --> 02:15:55,490
take the staff and ignoring

3280
02:15:55,490 --> 02:15:57,490
this.

3281
02:15:57,559 --> 02:15:58,360
>> that the reason for the

3282
02:15:58,360 --> 02:16:00,360
continuation.

3283
02:16:02,831 --> 02:16:04,199
>> so I'm asking that we

3284
02:16:04,199 --> 02:16:05,933
continue this and let's go back

3285
02:16:05,933 --> 02:16:07,402
and try to figure out what we

3286
02:16:07,402 --> 02:16:08,470
want to adopt and what we don't

3287
02:16:08,470 --> 02:16:10,470
want to adopt.

3288
02:16:11,172 --> 02:16:13,842
>> can I clarify something here?

3289
02:16:13,842 --> 02:16:15,944
As I recall, we had a discussion

3290
02:16:15,944 --> 02:16:17,880
about this at the work session.

3291
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:19,548
And I know there was concern on

3292
02:16:19,548 --> 02:16:22,548
the staff's point about trying

3293
02:16:22,918 --> 02:16:24,352
to get this completed.

3294
02:16:24,352 --> 02:16:25,887
Do we have the option perhaps of

3295
02:16:25,887 --> 02:16:28,887
continuing this at our next

3296
02:16:29,580 --> 02:16:30,259
public hearing after at the

3297
02:16:30,259 --> 02:16:32,428
tail-end rather than waiting

3298
02:16:32,428 --> 02:16:34,663
until the next zoning one.

3299
02:16:34,663 --> 02:16:35,564
Would that make staff more

3300
02:16:35,564 --> 02:16:37,564
comfortable with this?

3301
02:16:38,534 --> 02:16:39,802
>> just as a clarification, your

3302
02:16:39,802 --> 02:16:41,336
next public hear something one

3303
02:16:41,336 --> 02:16:43,272
month from now but there is a

3304
02:16:43,272 --> 02:16:44,840
public meeting on OCTOBER 8th

3305
02:16:44,840 --> 02:16:46,241
and I believe you could continue

3306
02:16:46,241 --> 02:16:47,376
this it would be my

3307
02:16:47,376 --> 02:16:49,311
recommendation that you choose

3308
02:16:49,311 --> 02:16:51,547
that date because as you recall

3309
02:16:51,547 --> 02:16:53,282
you just postponed four zone

3310
02:16:53,282 --> 02:16:55,851
changes to the end of OCTOBER.

3311
02:16:55,851 --> 02:16:56,385
And there's two zotas on that

3312
02:16:56,385 --> 02:16:58,385
agenda.

3313
02:16:58,487 --> 02:17:00,657
I would suggest if you do want

3314
02:17:00,657 --> 02:17:02,324
to continue to discuss this

3315
02:17:02,324 --> 02:17:03,580
spend more time you do so on

3316
02:17:03,580 --> 02:17:05,580
OCTOBER 8th.

3317
02:17:06,529 --> 02:17:10,729
>> I think that is what she was

3318
02:17:18,407 --> 02:17:20,407
asking for.

3319
02:17:22,770 --> 02:17:23,880
>> I'm a little bit I will be

3320
02:17:23,880 --> 02:17:25,915
perfectly honest I'm committed

3321
02:17:25,915 --> 02:17:27,416
to giving a talk on OCTOBER 8th

3322
02:17:27,416 --> 02:17:29,416
at U.K.

3323
02:17:29,953 --> 02:17:34,691
I won't be able to be here for

3324
02:17:34,691 --> 02:17:36,192
that discussion on OCTOBER 8th.

3325
02:17:36,192 --> 02:17:37,600
I have put a little bit work

3326
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:39,600
into it.

3327
02:17:39,496 --> 02:17:42,532
I would appreciate it if we

3328
02:17:42,532 --> 02:17:45,368
could continue it to the normal

3329
02:17:45,368 --> 02:17:47,771
zoning meeting on the 22nd.

3330
02:17:47,771 --> 02:17:49,339
And that's what I will put in my

3331
02:17:49,339 --> 02:17:52,509
motion I would like to continue

3332
02:17:52,509 --> 02:17:56,109
this move that we continue this

3333
02:17:59,820 --> 02:17:59,282
to the zoning meeting on OCTOBER

3334
02:17:59,282 --> 02:18:01,282
22nd.

3335
02:18:03,530 --> 02:18:06,530
>> I will second the motion.

3336
02:18:08,892 --> 02:18:09,593
>> you second the motion?

3337
02:18:09,593 --> 02:18:10,828
>> yes, ma'am.

3338
02:18:10,828 --> 02:18:12,663
>> all right.

3339
02:18:12,663 --> 02:18:13,864
A motion has been made and

3340
02:18:13,864 --> 02:18:16,864
seconded to continue this to

3341
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:19,000
OCTOBER 22nd.

3342
02:18:20,104 --> 02:18:21,339
Any questions from the

3343
02:18:21,339 --> 02:18:23,339
commission?

3344
02:18:23,374 --> 02:18:25,342
>> if we have other questions

3345
02:18:25,342 --> 02:18:27,742
between now and OCTOBER

3346
02:18:28,512 --> 02:18:30,447
22nd, we should address that

3347
02:18:30,447 --> 02:18:32,116
to staff and robin.

3348
02:18:32,116 --> 02:18:32,550
If we have clarifications that

3349
02:18:32,550 --> 02:18:34,550
we need.

3350
02:18:35,753 --> 02:18:38,389
>> I would make this motion with

3351
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:40,658
the goal that in this month

3352
02:18:40,658 --> 02:18:42,658
other planning commissioners

3353
02:18:43,394 --> 02:18:45,429
have the opportunity to get

3354
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:48,429
their concerns raised with this

3355
02:18:49,330 --> 02:18:49,900
text or with my amendments with

3356
02:18:49,900 --> 02:18:51,900
staff.

3357
02:18:53,304 --> 02:18:57,504
And also to give a month's time

3358
02:18:57,808 --> 02:18:59,677
for staff to maybe come back

3359
02:18:59,677 --> 02:19:00,912
with a staff recommendation on

3360
02:19:00,912 --> 02:19:03,312
these amendments as well.

3361
02:19:04,949 --> 02:19:06,417
>> I think the staff is already.

3362
02:19:06,417 --> 02:19:08,153
>> the staff made their

3363
02:19:08,153 --> 02:19:08,419
recommendation with the

3364
02:19:08,419 --> 02:19:09,220
proposal.

3365
02:19:09,220 --> 02:19:10,822
And they want.

3366
02:19:10,822 --> 02:19:12,324
>> they approved their

3367
02:19:12,324 --> 02:19:13,190
recommendation and that is would

3368
02:19:13,190 --> 02:19:15,590
love to vote on.

3369
02:19:15,761 --> 02:19:16,995
We have an additional

3370
02:19:16,995 --> 02:19:18,163
recommendation that we are

3371
02:19:18,163 --> 02:19:20,165
requesting more time to better

3372
02:19:20,165 --> 02:19:21,566
understand because we have items

3373
02:19:21,566 --> 02:19:26,366
here that we have to take one at

3374
02:19:26,638 --> 02:19:28,807
a time to meet everybody's our

3375
02:19:28,807 --> 02:19:30,675
group's consensus it's going to

3376
02:19:30,675 --> 02:19:32,770
take more time to address each

3377
02:19:32,770 --> 02:19:34,770
of these issues.

3378
02:19:36,749 --> 02:19:37,615
It also gives us the ability to

3379
02:19:37,615 --> 02:19:39,718
further think about this.

3380
02:19:39,718 --> 02:19:42,118
But the staff's recommendation

3381
02:19:43,923 --> 02:19:45,624
which I approve of, I don't

3382
02:19:45,624 --> 02:19:46,792
think we should ask them to go

3383
02:19:46,792 --> 02:19:47,392
back and change their

3384
02:19:47,392 --> 02:19:49,361
recommendation.

3385
02:19:49,361 --> 02:19:51,363
A lot of work went into this and

3386
02:19:51,363 --> 02:19:53,532
it makes great sense.

3387
02:19:53,532 --> 02:19:56,368
And I certainly hope they don't

3388
02:19:56,368 --> 02:19:58,670
change their recommendation from

3389
02:19:58,670 --> 02:19:59,370
approval for their own zota

3390
02:19:59,370 --> 02:20:01,370
recommendation.

3391
02:20:02,642 --> 02:20:05,642
>> I will call the question.

3392
02:20:06,144 --> 02:20:07,746
>> staff wrote the language --

3393
02:20:07,746 --> 02:20:09,746
>> call the question.

3394
02:20:09,782 --> 02:20:11,617
You are talking about call the

3395
02:20:11,617 --> 02:20:13,553
vote.

3396
02:20:13,553 --> 02:20:16,553
>> commissioner davis I will let

3397
02:20:18,958 --> 02:20:19,559
you have your last word.

3398
02:20:19,559 --> 02:20:21,559
Okay.

3399
02:20:25,331 --> 02:20:27,633
So the motion on the floor is to

3400
02:20:27,633 --> 02:20:28,201
continue this until october

3401
02:20:28,201 --> 02:20:30,201
22nd.

3402
02:20:36,209 --> 02:20:38,712
Are we ready to vote?

3403
02:20:38,712 --> 02:20:41,314
>> now, MADAM Chair I only have

3404
02:20:41,314 --> 02:20:42,782
one question if we have --

3405
02:20:42,782 --> 02:20:44,517
if I have questions then I

3406
02:20:44,517 --> 02:20:47,517
should address it to MR.

3407
02:20:48,655 --> 02:20:49,789
Michler, is that correct?

3408
02:20:49,789 --> 02:20:50,957
The clarification I need.

3409
02:20:50,957 --> 02:20:51,624
All right.

3410
02:20:51,624 --> 02:20:53,624
Thank you.

3411
02:20:55,162 --> 02:20:57,162
>> okay.

3412
02:21:01,902 --> 02:21:02,569
All right.

3413
02:21:02,569 --> 02:21:04,569
Okay.

3414
02:21:06,506 --> 02:21:08,875
What do we have next?

3415
02:21:08,875 --> 02:21:11,144
Is there anything that the

3416
02:21:11,144 --> 02:21:11,578
commission has do we have staff

3417
02:21:11,578 --> 02:21:13,578
items?

3418
02:21:14,514 --> 02:21:15,416
That we need to consider?

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Okay.