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All right, welcome to the uh 2026 city

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council retreat. Uh welcome everyone.

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Would you all please rise for the pledge

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of allegiance?

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Okay. Uh well, thank you everybody for

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being here. It's great to see. And uh

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first of all, let's give a big round of

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applause for our folks here at Dumis Bay

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for a great breakfast.

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Any day that starts with bacon is a good

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day. So, uh thank you very much. Uh I

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just want to say very much I want to say

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thank you to our uh uh newly minted uh

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council president uh for u and all the

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council members for your help in making

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sure that we got a uh a great agenda. Um

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these are a great opportunity for us to

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come together as a community to um and

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as a council um and city government to

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come together vision for the future um

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uh near-term and short term. So uh we've

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got a number of items on the agenda.

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We'll probably try to stay on schedule

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um and um um move forward. So um let's

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see here. the first thing and also I

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want to say a very special thank you to

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our staff um who have uh put together a

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uh uh you know good presentations and

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spent some time on this and uh I also do

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do want to say that I think it's really

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important that people feel um uh that

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they can you know just throw things out

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there and um you know sometimes when

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we're in a council meeting it may not be

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the you may not feel like the or be the

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right time to do that but this is

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exactly the time to do that. Um, that

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being said, council president, do you

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» No, I I just want to uh echo uh your

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your words uh mayor uh to the staff. I

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know this has taken a lot of time,

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effort, energy uh throughout this whole

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week, maybe even more. Uh so, thank you

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for for being here. Um and to my

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colleagues, thank you for putting the uh

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work in and the effort in uh for your

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consultation in putting all these uh

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items together. So, thank you.

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» All right. And a very special thank you

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to our IT department. Um the screens the

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meetings, all you have to do is push the

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absolutely fantastic. The screens look

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great. Uh but if anybody has any issue

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hearing, if anybody has an issue

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hearing, just raise your hand, let us

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know. Um or if you can't see something

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that, let's go ahead and get started. Um

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uh item three on the agenda is council

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rules and procedures. Council member

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Honda, we've got uh three items um A, B,

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and C. Inperson attend attendance

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expectations. Item B, council member

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remarks, time limits um and proclamation

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proclamations, scheduling and limits.

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» Thank you. So, um, when

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Jack and Linda and I, uh, were talking

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meeting and then, uh, later with Martin,

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these things came up and in-person

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attendance was something that was, um,

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brought up about it being more here than

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we understand if you can't but um

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it's always best and uh Linda, did you

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want to add to that?

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need to um be present so that people can

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understand that we're hearing what they

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uh and that we we're really taking part

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in what's going on. So when it's

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possible for um the committees and the

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uh council meetings um it should be on

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time in person uh and that would be our

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expectation. Now we do have a rule that

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if you miss three if you can't make it

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being in person and on time. So just

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thank you all for that.

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law that three unexcused absences um

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makes the position Go ahead.

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vacation to see what is what is a

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liberal. We've been pretty liberal in in

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calling everything an excused absence,

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but it is state law.

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if somebody's like if you've, you know,

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got a family emergency, an illness, you

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know, you've got something going on,

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just let the council president know, me

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know, a a colleague know. um either from

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phone, email, just get word to us about

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what's going on and and we'll make sure

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that we get it on the record about why

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you're there and we'll excuse the

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absence. Um because we want to do that.

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first off, uh next week I'm going to

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let's take a break." Council Oh, um

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to on Zoom sometimes. So, how does that

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this for later um airing on channel 21.

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per the agenda it's on uh Zoom. So, if

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» Yeah, we we do this is going to end up

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being like a six plus hour meeting

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uncut. Um people aren't usually going to

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through and edits a little bit um of

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important topics. But either way, Dave

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care of.

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» Great. Council Honda um actually,

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retreat. Uh it's a icebreaker. Um it was

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planned. Okay. Um so I you know from

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from my observations um and if my memory

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serves me right and and I'm looking to

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my colleagues to correct me uh but there

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there was two council members that were

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gone fre former council members that

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were frequently gone uh and that's of

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course is okay um uh but they were often

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question to the council is what is the

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desired outcome? What do we want to see?

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what's the the the result that we want

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to see? I mean, I know right here in our

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council rules, uh, obviously, um, on

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page 12, um, you know, it has everything

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council rules um or not? What what is

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the take of the council?

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question uh council president and we did

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talk about that in the past and um there

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are uh there's uh state uh law over

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oversees what we do and I think that

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they allow Zoom meetings. So, you know,

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we're we're just talking about for our

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city. But there is one thing I'd like to

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bring up if you don't mind, mayor. uh

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which is um we've talked about this in

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the past and and and I'm I'm seeing this

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happen more especially with your race uh

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and please u Ryan if I'm saying anything

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you just shut me down um we you we have

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an ordinance that says if you're going

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to want to be on the city council for

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example we that says that you need to

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have been a resident of Federalway a

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year in advance before you sign up. So,

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if if um I don't remember anymore if

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it's in May that you have to apply or

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put in your u uh application that you

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have to have been a resident for a year.

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I believe that's what the ordinance

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says. But, um we we've had people who

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have said that they lived in the city of

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Federay um and don't um whether it's for

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our positions or not. I just think that

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people need to understand that, you

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know, you really should be living in the

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community you represent.

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My opinion, but there there that is.

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» Yep. All right. Cir.

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» Oh, it's on. Uh so anyway, Zoom is is

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useful, but it shouldn't be uh every

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meeting or uh and I believe we actually

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did at one point have in our council

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rules three three people can be on Zoom

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at a time um which means that the

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majority of council does have to show up

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and be there in person as for committee.

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» I think that's still the rule.

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» Yeah.

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» Yeah. So, um, anyway, it was just to

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remind people that, uh, being present is

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better if at all possible.

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» Okay.

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» Sometimes people think when they're on

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Zoom, they're in a hotel or somewhere,

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they don't have really good um, internet

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uh, capability, Wi-Fi, and um, it's hard

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to hear. It just causes problems,

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especially when you're on a boat in

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Florida, right?

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» [laughter]

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» We we've had that.

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» Never done that.

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» So, okay.

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» So, am I sensing that the council

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doesn't want anything changed really? I

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mean, right now, uh I guess in on page

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um 14, I just want to be specific in

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case uh staff need to do anything, but

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um I mean I do see

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uh

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uh intent item C intent. Attendance from

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a remote location is intended to be an

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alternative alternative and relatively

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infrequent use method for participation

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at meetings by members of the council.

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Is that I mean is that fine? Is am I

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sensing that?

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» Okay. Yeah. Sorry.

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» So the the language says infrequent.

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» So how do we define that?

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» So yeah, maybe going more specific.

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» Yeah. in that

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» Because I think right now we have a good

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council but you know it hasn't always

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been that way and there has been some

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uh questionable you know ex absences

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» And uh I think we need to determine how

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we're going to define infrequent.

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Um, yeah, I I if I may, mayor, um, yeah,

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I would actually agree with that. I do

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think it's it's been an issue before and

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it's been consistent at that time. And,

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uh, you know, obviously I I things

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happen, life happens, but I I would

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agree with Council Member Hamilton that

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I think we should really define this um,

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as what does infrequent mean and modify

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it maybe language item C um, potentially

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or somewhere else.

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All right. Anybody else on that?

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» All right. We can take a look at it. Go

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ahead, council member.

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» Yeah. I I think that infrequent is

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difficult to

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difficult to define.

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» Well, and maybe but I I don't know. I

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don't know of sticking a number in

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there. I don't know what number we would

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stick in.

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» Well, yeah. I mean,

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» There's different situations. If

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somebody has a medical condition, I

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mean, you know, if somebody has some

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medical condition, they're confined to a

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home or a hospital or something like

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that, it could be entirely different

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than than simply um

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um being elsewhere around the world for

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whatever reason that may be.

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» Yeah. And I see that as, you know,

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you'll get that excused. You know, I

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don't see that to be an issue. But if

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it's consistent and it's happening

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consistently, I think to uh Council

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Hamilton's point, I do think there's

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room for us to become more specific in

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there. And if it doesn't work, we take

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it back to a special meeting. We modify

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our council rules and address that. But

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I think it's been an issue. I think it

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we need to I' I've been hearing about

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it. I think there needs to be more

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clarity potentially.

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» Okay. All right. Well, we'll take a look

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at that. will um it will

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» Yes

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» This is also a committee um Brian just

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brought it to my attention Eltac um I

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want to make sure that um Elac is maybe

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um exempt from any committee rules

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because they're all outside entities and

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not um city and zoom is the preferred

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method of meeting. So just wanted to

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make sure that if we come up with any

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kind of rules for committees that has a

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a separate

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I think my intent would be just city

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council meetings.

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» Yeah.

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» I think that would be special meetings,

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city council meetings. I that's my

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perception. Um but I'm looking to my

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colleagues on that.

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» Um but that when I look at this and

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think about it, I'm really looking at

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the lens of city council special

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meetings.

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I also think with regard to we're

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talking about general intent, I don't

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think that that section of the of the

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the rules are um essentially um I mean

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they're more guidance um in regard to

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what the intent is as opposed to if you

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hit this number then we're going to I

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think it just and it's one of those

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things where a US Supreme Court justice

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said when describing something it's like

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you know it when you see it. Um, so, you

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know, I think it it provides some

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flexibility for the body again to to say

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I think we're we're starting to reach a

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a point of um inconsistency with the

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intent of the rules. So, I mean, you

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know, when I when I in my prior job

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prior career, as soon as we would make a

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guideline about something that we're

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going to do this, if that, then the next

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thing that happened, the next thing that

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came in the door was something that fit

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right between it. So, I don't know. It's

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just sometimes a little flexibility.

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Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to

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say is sometimes, you know, in the law

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we can define infrequent, not with a

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number necessarily, but with what our

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intent is. Our intent is, you know, to

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have presence and uh anyway. Yeah,

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totally. So, maybe we need to add a

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section where we have the intent of what

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we're doing.

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» Yeah, I I think that that's that I I

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would concur with that. I mean, again,

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it's interesting because we've had this

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rule in place and I think I've heard

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mumblings about it, but there was no

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accountability with it. And certainly,

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we want to be respectful to our

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colleagues. Everybody has their life,

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you know, and whatnot. But I think

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digging a little bit more deeper and

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adding a section there to uh tar

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Hamilton's point um I think addresses

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that a little bit, but it still allows

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that little bit of flexibility and and

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reasonable accommodations.

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» Okay, great. Um anybody else on this

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issue,

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» Coun? Well, I think it's just

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interesting because some of those words

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and you're right in certain respect some

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of those words are very um hard to get a

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handle on. For example, if you're going

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to be uh running for the legislature

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um the the state law says that you

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should file live in the district when

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you file for the state not congress

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state uh and then live there at the

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preponderance of the time. something you

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go okay what is prepundonderance of the

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time and then if they're not living

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there how do you approve that so it's

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kind of a real big thing to get your

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handle on so good luck

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» Yeah exactly

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» On

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» All right thank you uh council Honda

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with regard to the next item council

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member remark time limits

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» So um as some of you know I I watch a

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lot of council meetings um around the

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country and

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there are many councils who limit it um

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how long a council member can speak

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initially like uh most of most of the

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time it's five minutes

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and then it goes to the uh whoever's

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running the meeting then says you know

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it's time for someone else to speak and

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then everyone speaks and then you start

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speaking again it's just so that

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uh someone doesn't take over the

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conversation or you know and and gets a

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chance to to um say what they're

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thinking and then we go back again and

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people talk again. Um, often times it's

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the city clerk who does the timing.

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» Uh, so that the person running the

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meeting doesn't have to pay attention to

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that.

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» So,

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» Are there any nearby cities that do

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that?

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» Uh, yeah, especially up north.

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» Like like Seattle.

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» Uh, Seattle, I don't watch Seattle

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council meetings anymore because they

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just

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» Didn't interest me. But um

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» Yeah,

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» Uh especi some of the smaller cities

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seem to do it um around here more

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frequently. On the east coast, it's not

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at all uncommon.

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» It's just to keep the conversation

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flowing among all council members so

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that all council members have a chance

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to to speak

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» And that it isn't um the conversation

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isn't just one person.

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Hey, council. I I certainly you guys

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have probably seen when usually when

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they have paper things. Uh what about if

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we you know if somebody has something to

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say that they put up their their uh

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because I I can't see anybody's light.

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Um so if you uh if anybody wants to

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speak on on a particular issue, let's

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put your uh name tags up and then I know

539
00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:27,520
uh generally I can kind of tell who's

540
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:31,919
who's in order. Uh council coach.

541
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:34,720
» Well, I was just going to say um uh

542
00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:36,640
What I've noticed in in so that we don't

543
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,360
run so late, it's not with council

544
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,280
members remarks as much as some of the

545
00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,559
larger cities when they have a hot topic

546
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,480
and they have a lot of people in the

547
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:46,559
room and they're all really saying the

548
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,799
same thing. Um they'll limit it rather

549
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:50,159
than three minutes to two minutes. I

550
00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:53,440
don't know if we have anything in our

551
00:21:50,159 --> 00:21:54,480
rules that allow us to change that time

552
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,520
limit, but

553
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,000
» That public comment.

554
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,039
» Yeah. Because our pe our our staff needs

555
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,960
to go home,

556
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:03,919
» Right? You know, I think that there have

557
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:07,600
been times in the past in which we had,

558
00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:08,960
you know, the absolutely a jam-packed um

559
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,000
council chambers. Let's ask legal

560
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,320
counsel about changing this is about

561
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:16,480
public comment and say we've got, you

562
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,880
know, a a jam-packed room and then we've

563
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,640
got an overflow room and and many people

564
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,679
want to talk. We've had situations like

565
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:26,480
that. Um does the body have the ability

566
00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:28,159
to reduce that? Some some bodies do that

567
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,000
to reduce it down?

568
00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:32,400
» Yes. Um, if we were to put that in

569
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,480
council rules, we could define it any

570
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,159
way we want. So, we're we're required to

571
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,799
take public comment now under state law,

572
00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:40,640
but it doesn't say what that means. So,

573
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,080
as long as there's an opportunity for

574
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,400
some some people, not necessarily

575
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,320
everybody that wants to speak. Um, in

576
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,000
the past, we've thought about capping

577
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,559
the period. Like, you could do it

578
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,240
multiple ways. You could reduce the per

579
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:54,720
person limit or you could put a limit on

580
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,480
everybody and say we're only taking 45

581
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,559
minutes of public comment and then we're

582
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,760
done. First come, first serve.

583
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:01,120
» It's up to council though.

584
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,640
» We've never done that.

585
00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:06,240
» Not to my knowledge.

586
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:09,360
» Um what I guess and you know that Oh,

587
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,840
council Honda.

588
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:14,240
» Thank you. So

589
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:17,360
there was a me meeting that we tried to

590
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,760
do. Well, you tried to do it and um Gene

591
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:21,679
Burbage was council or deputy mayor

592
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,000
then. It was a warehouser meeting,

593
00:23:21,679 --> 00:23:24,720
» Right,

594
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,039
» That um Kelly and Deanie and I called.

595
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,240
It was a special meeting and we had what

596
00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:28,880
300 people there.

597
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,039
» Yeah.

598
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:33,440
» And yeah, we were there for maybe four

599
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:36,000
hours listening to people. But when

600
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,919
someone when the public comes to speak

601
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,320
to us and they're they practice what

602
00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:43,120
they've said and they know that they

603
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:46,720
have three minutes um I would not

604
00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:49,120
support cutting it down because

605
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,360
they hire us and they fire us and what

606
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:54,400
they have to say if if they leave their

607
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:56,320
home and they come to city hall to to

608
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,080
speak to us and they know that they have

609
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,520
three minutes coming in then they get

610
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,799
three minutes and um just because it's

611
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,159
going to make our meeting a little bit

612
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:04,640
longer. It's too bad.

613
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:07,280
» Yeah.

614
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,600
» Um we could control that by a council

615
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,440
not rambling on and on. You know, it's

616
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,400
there's ways to control that, but

617
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,880
» Yeah,

618
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,720
» But I think that the public has uh an

619
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:20,240
expectation of three minutes and uh I

620
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,720
know when we voted on that at that

621
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,880
meeting, it it lost because council

622
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,360
members said no, they're here they

623
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,559
» For three minutes. So, I would always

624
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,559
vote against that.

625
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,880
» Yeah. Okay. Council President Moore.

626
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,559
» Yeah. I I would uh be willing to make a

627
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,960
bet that I'm just a wild guess that the

628
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,640
council probably would not support uh

629
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,200
shortening the public comments, but I'm

630
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,720
just I I feel kind of confident on that,

631
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,080
but who knows? Uh so, I'm looking

632
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,159
forward to hearing what my colleagues

633
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,240
have to say, but I I know speaking for

634
00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:50,799
myself, I

635
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,240
uh I would definitely not support

636
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,840
shortening the public comment time. I

637
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,960
think three minutes is adequate. I think

638
00:24:53,840 --> 00:25:00,640
it's best practices all over the

639
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:02,640
country, quite frankly. Um, and you

640
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:06,640
ready for this, Council Member Honda? I

641
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,880
agree with you. Uh, I know it's a it's a

642
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,919
heartbreaker. Um, uh, but

643
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,760
» Heather, did you get that?

644
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:15,279
» Yeah. Was that noted? Thank you. Thank

645
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:18,000
you, Mayor. Um, so, um, but I think it's

646
00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:20,640
a sacred time that the public, this is,

647
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,480
uh, a very important opportunity for the

648
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,360
public to come and really

649
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:30,720
share their thoughts of any item. Uh,

650
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:33,039
and I don't want to do anything to uh,

651
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,840
cut that time at all. Uh, I think it's

652
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:38,799
really important time um, period. And

653
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:41,360
quite frankly, if there's a lot of them,

654
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:43,200
it it's they're all important comments.

655
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,039
Um, and and if we're going to be here

656
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,799
for a while, we were hired to do a job.

657
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:51,200
We have to uh, uh, be a partner to the

658
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:53,360
mayor and and helping govern the city.

659
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,039
Uh, and so, uh, I would I would

660
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,440
personally shy away from shortening the

661
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,279
minutes, uh, to public comments.

662
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,880
» All right. Thank you. Let's go right in

663
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:04,159
order and then we'll go over here. So,

664
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,720
Council Member Hamilton.

665
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:11,440
» Yes.

666
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:14,720
» So, um, the the public comment uh, time

667
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:17,440
limit, you know, idea.

668
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,440
I I can see it being helpful when you

669
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,760
know if we had a problem, but I think

670
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,279
we're maybe talking about a solution in

671
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,240
search of a problem right now because we

672
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,919
don't have that problem right now. Um I

673
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,000
know that you know you had mentioned the

674
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:33,039
warehouser thing. Um, but I'm not sure

675
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,240
if that's a common situation that we

676
00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:38,720
experience, but uh, you know, sometimes,

677
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,440
uh, I've seen it at King County Council

678
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,840
meetings where public will come in and

679
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,559
they basically filibuster the the whole

680
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,559
meeting and, um, in those situations,

681
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:50,400
King County will say, the chair will

682
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:53,039
say, uh, we're going to limit public

683
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,120
comment to 60 seconds because there'll

684
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:59,039
be a group of, you know, 200 people in

685
00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:01,039
the room. Um but uh for now I think

686
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:04,240
we're okay and I don't think we need to

687
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:05,919
do that. Um but I I do see on the agenda

688
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,120
that we're talking about council member

689
00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:12,000
remarks time limits. So uh maybe we

690
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,960
could also talk about that

691
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,559
» Versus the public

692
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,573
» Same topic. Exactly.

693
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:17,573
» What stage you mean? [laughter]

694
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:24,480
» Council member Cess.

695
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:27,360
» Yeah that's uh exactly my sentiments. I

696
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,640
uh do support uh what council member

697
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:34,480
Honda and council member Hamilton have

698
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:37,440
already expressed. Um I think three

699
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,720
minutes is adequate for a public comment

700
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:44,240
period. But back to what council member

701
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:47,600
Hamilton just reiterated, this is about

702
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:51,440
time limits for council member remarks.

703
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Yeah. So I think it should reflect uh

704
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:58,320
our remarks should be limited as well to

705
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,919
three minutes. Uh we should not have a

706
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:05,840
uh an opportunity to

707
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:08,159
fill a bust on any topic. Let's let's

708
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,240
stay on point. Let's be efficient and

709
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:11,919
address the issue.

710
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,919
» All right. Thank you, Council Member

711
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,919
Sidasan.

712
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:21,840
» Yeah. Um I agree with what everybody

713
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,399
said. Um one of the reasons being um

714
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,880
that we need to respect people's time so

715
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:28,320
they come there and we can't say oh we

716
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,720
only have 45 minutes. Sorry the rest of

717
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,640
you can't speak. Um so I think that

718
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,480
that'll be great. But if we're going to

719
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,640
honor the three minute then I would also

720
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,520
like to encourage you mayor to be

721
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,919
consistent as to when you add time

722
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,880
versus when you don't. uh because

723
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:49,360
sometimes we do cut people off and other

724
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:52,799
times we're lenient. So um just making

725
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,679
clear or being clear about how you

726
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:57,360
navigate that would be great. And then

727
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:58,880
let's also honor the five minute because

728
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,520
we didn't talk about that when you're

729
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,399
speaking for a group. So

730
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,520
» Oh yeah, that's right.

731
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:04,799
» We didn't bring that. So

732
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,320
» Great. Thank you.

733
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:09,120
» Okay. Hey. Uh, counc.

734
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,360
» Okay. Uh,

735
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:15,200
first on the on the public comment, just

736
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:18,080
an idea is, uh, if, uh, is have it in

737
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,520
the rules where after on if there is

738
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,399
some topic that's bringing a lot of

739
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,399
people in after three people have spoken

740
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:26,399
on one side or the other other of an

741
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:28,559
issue, you know, let it be known in

742
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:30,159
advance that that if more than three

743
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:32,480
people speak, that it'll be limited to

744
00:29:30,159 --> 00:29:34,960
two minutes after that on any particular

745
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,799
issue. ju just an idea, you know, to to

746
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,559
toss out there. I'm not advocating it

747
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:40,240
yay or nay, but just an idea of

748
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:43,919
something that could may be able to

749
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,320
help. Um, as far as as council member uh

750
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:48,559
time limits, I think that one of the

751
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,120
things that's critical is that sometimes

752
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:54,399
when you're speaking, you don't realize

753
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:56,799
how much time you're taking. And if

754
00:29:54,399 --> 00:30:00,640
there was some way that we could have a

755
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:02,880
a clock that the the council members saw

756
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,559
showing, you know, so so that you can

757
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,159
say, "Hold on, I've been talking for

758
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:09,360
seven minutes now. It's, you know, it's

759
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:11,679
maybe time I shut up." Uh, you know, and

760
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:14,320
and be have it more self-p policing

761
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:18,720
rather than a arbitrary limit, but have

762
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:20,320
it so that we are able to be aware of of

763
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,240
and and the other council members are

764
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,520
aware. So if somebody's uh doing it, you

765
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,880
can kind of give them a dirty look, you

766
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320
know, and say, "Hey, it's, you know,

767
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,080
time to, you know."

768
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,840
» Well, I is this uh you know, I've run

769
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,039
these meetings all the time. I I I can't

770
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,600
think of any time in which we've had a

771
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,840
council member go on and on and on to

772
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,760
the point where like seven minutes. 7

773
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,200
minutes is a long time or five minutes

774
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,480
is a long time. Council Council

775
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600
President Moore.

776
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,679
» Well, I was thinking about doing the

777
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,440
filibuster at the next council meeting.

778
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:50,799
Um

779
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,320
um [clears throat] no, I I mean um I

780
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,399
think we've had pretty good meetings. I

781
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,399
think they've been pretty efficient. Uh

782
00:30:54,399 --> 00:30:59,760
but but I do have to say that I'm

783
00:30:56,399 --> 00:31:01,679
intrigued with council member um u

784
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,919
Walsh's um suggestion because I know

785
00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:07,760
we're going to be upgrading the council

786
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:09,679
dis or council uh chambers. Uh and I

787
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,080
maybe having like a little timer I think

788
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:15,360
doesn't hurt. It's just a proactive like

789
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,760
hey um um you're you're speaking for a

790
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:21,360
little too long like I am right now. Uh

791
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,799
but um I think um uh to to council

792
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,480
members Hondes because I I know that

793
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,360
we've talked about this when we were

794
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,799
working on uh this agenda item and I

795
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,080
mean I thought it was kind of reasonable

796
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:33,919
like okay um give everybody certain time

797
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:37,120
to speak and if there's more for us to

798
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:39,440
say we can always come back you know and

799
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,799
you can say something and I I felt like

800
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,919
that was kind of reasonable. I think we

801
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:46,080
see that in um uh congressional

802
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:47,200
hearings. Uh they usually are allotted

803
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,480
certain amount of times. I know you

804
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000
watch a lot of that stuff. They're

805
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,120
allotted a certain amount of times and

806
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:55,120
then I'm sure they can come back and

807
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:58,880
have more time. And I thought, okay,

808
00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,640
maybe that's reasonable. Uh but um

809
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,880
» Yeah, it's an interesting topic. But

810
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,559
what's interesting is you when we have,

811
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480
you know, when when I'm moderating the

812
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:09,039
debate among the council, we'll have

813
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,279
council members speak three or more

814
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,760
times on a particular issue as we're on

815
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:16,000
the agenda. So, it's like, is it would

816
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,880
it be a time limit for each time they're

817
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,720
called upon or total or I mean I it

818
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:25,679
could end up stifling debate. Council

819
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:28,000
member Honda. Oh, Council Member Man.

820
00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:29,679
Um, well, to answer that question, I I

821
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,519
do think that that would stifle debate

822
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:33,279
if we're only allowed to speak once

823
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:35,760
because as we're speaking, you know, and

824
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:38,320
bringing up stuff, then it brings to

825
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,600
mind other issues that we might have or

826
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,200
other arguments that we might have and

827
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,000
we are engaging in debate when we're up

828
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,519
there.

829
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,640
» So, it does have to be kind of a back

830
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:48,320
and forth uh conversation. But, I do

831
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,320
like the idea going back to the self-p

832
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,159
policing. I really like that idea

833
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,200
because I think that makes us self-aware

834
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:57,919
of how much time we're taking. And uh

835
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,080
nobody likes somebody who just wants to

836
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:02,240
hear themselves all the time talk. So

837
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,000
being aware of that would be a good idea

838
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,840
to maybe have a timer in the back every

839
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,360
time someone talks. Sort of like the

840
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760
public commerce. They have a timer in

841
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,080
front of them so that they know. Um, I

842
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,080
do, you know, I have watched and been in

843
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,240
a lot of council meetings and I do think

844
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,919
we have had some council members who

845
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,720
have, you know, enjoyed hearing

846
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:23,120
themselves talk and so, you know, having

847
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,600
the timer I would be supportive of.

848
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,600
» Council Honda,

849
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:32,799
» Uh, thank you.

850
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:34,960
So, it wouldn't limit

851
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,200
a council member from getting their idea

852
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,159
or their opinion out. It would just

853
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:43,039
allow you have five minutes, someone

854
00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:45,679
else gets to talk. So, and then you know

855
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:47,600
all the six other council members can

856
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:50,240
talk then it can go back to you and it

857
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,760
it it's not going to limit debate. It's

858
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:56,799
just going to make sure that everyone

859
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:59,120
has an opportunity to say something. Um

860
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:02,960
that that's it. And at uh there is a

861
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,799
local council in King County that allows

862
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,360
um

863
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:11,520
it's either two people can speak on a

864
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:13,359
topic or three and after that no one can

865
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,040
speak on the topic even if the room is

866
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:16,720
packed with people wanting to speak on

867
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,879
it. And I always feel bad when they're

868
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:21,440
calling the names of people. Oh, can't

869
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:24,960
speak. People have already said I don't

870
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:28,639
like that. Um, just because I I think it

871
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,159
um, you know, if it was a topic that we

872
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,000
had a lot of interest in in the

873
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:33,919
community, what time are people going to

874
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,280
get there to sign up? Or would they sign

875
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:39,119
up online and that would be considered,

876
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:43,919
you know, they're they're the first two

877
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:45,359
or three. So, um, uh, I know that that

878
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:48,720
some, you know, at least I know one

879
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:51,119
council that does that locally and, um,

880
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:53,919
so it's not something that is unheard

881
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:57,040
of. I just don't wouldn't support it.

882
00:34:53,919 --> 00:35:00,000
But I do like that, you know,

883
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:03,520
I I do like maybe if we have clocks in

884
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:05,359
front of us and we can um make sure that

885
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,440
we're not, you know, we're being

886
00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,880
courteous and efficient because that's

887
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,520
the that's the whole thing is trying to

888
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,640
get through meetings and this is a

889
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,160
budget year that we're going to have

890
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,320
long meetings this year and we're going

891
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,680
to have a lot of meetings this year. Uh

892
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:25,359
for the new council meeting members,

893
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:27,440
budget season is extra meetings and um

894
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:29,839
the most efficient

895
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,320
way we can run a meeting and get our

896
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:35,119
points across is the best. So that's

897
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,680
what this was about.

898
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,640
» Okay. All right. Anybody anyone else on

899
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,480
this uh on this issue? Okay. We'll take

900
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,200
a look at it. Um um let us know if

901
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,800
you've got a a suggestion. Uh, one of

902
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,720
the one of the points to consider on

903
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,440
this one that just popped into my head

904
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:53,760
was if you say you've got three minutes

905
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,760
for a council member, they may fill that

906
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,640
three minutes and then come back another

907
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,400
time and fill another three minutes and

908
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,640
you know it's like if you if you give

909
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,000
somebody three minutes, people will

910
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,680
generally use their time um as opposed

911
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,320
to just letting them speak. Anyway, just

912
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:13,680
considerations um uh council president.

913
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,119
So, it sounds like from from my

914
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,000
colleagues, I'm hearing consensus on

915
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,960
adding a like a little timer at each

916
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,079
place. Is that what I'm kind of hearing?

917
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,400
» Okay.

918
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:23,839
» Well,

919
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,160
» Just general consensus, you know. I

920
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:25,599
mean,

921
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,359
» Maybe we could have something in the

922
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,520
back of the room that's a timer so we

923
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:30,160
don't I mean, I'm thinking of cost.

924
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,359
» Okay.

925
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,880
» But, you know, if you want to have a

926
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:34,560
timer, it's fine.

927
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,920
» Thomas, when do we get the new uh

928
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,920
equipment in the council chambers?

929
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:49,200
It's uh it's going to be a little bit of

930
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,440
a process. So, we I took this to council

931
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,480
last year for a bid. We had a design

932
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:57,599
done. Um but because of the nature of

933
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,240
the the cost, the total cost of the and

934
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:03,040
the and the um

935
00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:05,440
um just the breadth of of the of the

936
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,280
project, it needs to be uh it's a public

937
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,720
works project, so it's a full-on it

938
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,320
needs to go out for bid and everything.

939
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:14,079
So, um, in order to do that, the design

940
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,920
didn't include bid documents or bid

941
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,599
level documents. So, the specs and

942
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:20,480
everything that needs to hit the street.

943
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:22,880
So, that been working with Ryan and EJ.

944
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,800
Um, needs to go out for RFQ. So, we need

945
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,560
to hire a design firm to develop the

946
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,359
document package so we can actually put

947
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,079
that out to bid. Um, so that's something

948
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:33,920
we wanted to get started. So, if we can

949
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,359
meet the August deadline, that would be

950
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,079
awesome because we have a little bit of

951
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:40,480
gap there with a counselled a cancelled

952
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:43,359
uh council meeting. So, that way maybe

953
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,960
there that timeline can can be made. Um

954
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:47,359
otherwise, it probably be end of the

955
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,359
year, December. So, but regardless, it

956
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:50,480
will be this year probably on the later

957
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,920
latter half.

958
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,320
» The technology piece of this, what do

959
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,520
you think about keeping like starting a

960
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,599
timer for

961
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,920
» That's what I was looking for. Um so

962
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:04,240
part of the design it was spec a um

963
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:06,320
conferencing system. So like what the

964
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,680
um

965
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,320
larger uh I'm forgetting the name I'm

966
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,839
sorry not not not I wasn't prepared to

967
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:18,320
discuss this today but like um large

968
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:20,320
like G40 summits that kind of stuff

969
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,640
utilize this same system that they had

970
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,800
speced. It's a discussion system and it

971
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,040
did built in with kind of request to

972
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,200
talk. So like um the discussion leads.

973
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,920
So the mayor for example would have on

974
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,680
on the screen a um a tally of who's

975
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,440
pushed their button to request in that

976
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,400
particular order. He can he can choose

977
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,400
to you know go in that order or not. Um

978
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,599
and then I believe there's also a timer

979
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,119
function there. I was trying to look up

980
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:45,760
the specs since you guys were talking

981
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:47,599
about this. Um but I think it is totally

982
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,320
it's doable. Definitely doable and we

983
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:52,720
can include this in the in the um in the

984
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,720
design spec. Yep. Council member

985
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,240
Coochar, you're a former legislator and

986
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,920
were at the legislature for four years.

987
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,880
Were there time limits on your comments?

988
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,599
» Yes. Yeah, you you do. You have it right

989
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,640
in front of you.

990
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:05,839
» How how long

991
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,800
» How long could people talk?

992
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:11,680
» Heck darn it. Gosh, I don't know. Some

993
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,280
of them talk forever. Uh uh but you're

994
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,960
supposed to have a time limit. It's it's

995
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,880
been 10 years. I can't remember. But I

996
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,280
do remember seeing red lights.

997
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,320
» Yeah,

998
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,000
» I'm sorry.

999
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:24,680
» There's a time limit on that.

1000
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,680
» That's right. the chair will tell

1001
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,400
you,

1002
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:33,599
» Right? And you can't have you cannot

1003
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,359
speak from notes. You have to speak

1004
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:37,040
extemporaneously,

1005
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:39,599
» So in other words, you can't read

1006
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,920
something like the Constitution of the

1007
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:44,320
United States. You have to speak from

1008
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,599
your heart.

1009
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,680
» Councilor Hunty, any other thoughts on

1010
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:49,200
the issue?

1011
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,400
» Okay. What do you think would be a

1012
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,440
reasonable time as far as council um

1013
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
council comments?

1014
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,320
» Uh five minutes.

1015
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,920
» Five minutes. Okay.

1016
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,079
» Yeah. If you can't get your point across

1017
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,640
in five minutes, um then it's time to

1018
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,960
listen to other people and see what they

1019
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,960
uh are speaking about, what they think,

1020
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,880
and then

1021
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,280
» You know, it's not so that you can't

1022
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,400
continue to speak. It's just to allow

1023
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,560
other people to speak.

1024
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,880
» Now, here's a question. would it be if I

1025
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,680
you know I my son got into really into

1026
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:21,680
chess and I had never and I had been

1027
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,720
playing chess for years. I had never

1028
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,640
really played on a clock and um once you

1029
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:29,359
start playing you don't realize how fast

1030
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:32,640
time goes. So here's the question. If

1031
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:35,119
five minutes is the rule, um would you

1032
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:37,200
know when we start a debate or when when

1033
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:38,960
we're start talking about an issue,

1034
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,520
would you get five minutes in the

1035
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:44,000
aggregate? Um you know, say that your

1036
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,680
first comment's a minute then do you

1037
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,200
have four minutes left on this or it

1038
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,880
would be every time you want to say

1039
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,440
something, you restart the clock?

1040
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,760
» I would think it would be every time.

1041
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,400
» Okay. Because, you know, as a as a

1042
00:40:53,760 --> 00:41:00,280
council member,

1043
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,280
we you know, we're

1044
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,400
I know I do a lot of research before I

1045
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:04,960
go to a meeting.

1046
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,839
» Yeah.

1047
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,280
» And um it's always interesting to see

1048
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:11,119
what other council members are saying

1049
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,319
and that might bring more questions. I

1050
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:17,520
mean, I do ask a lot of questions, but I

1051
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:21,680
don't try to um

1052
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,520
you know, go on and on and on. Uh so it

1053
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,200
it would it would not stop council

1054
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,599
members from speaking. It would just

1055
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:31,359
allow the whole disas to speak and then

1056
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:34,000
go back and then if I mean and then if

1057
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:36,160
um a council member wants to speak a

1058
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,240
second time which is fine and no one

1059
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,560
else wants to speak a third a second

1060
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,160
time and they want to speak for a third

1061
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,000
time

1062
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,000
that's not an issue. It's just allowing

1063
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:50,960
everyone to have the u ability to speak.

1064
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,560
» Okay. Maybe that do are we do I sense

1065
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:57,440
consensus that um maybe I guess

1066
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,960
quantifying the amount of time first and

1067
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,640
council member Hund what do you think

1068
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,160
quantifying at least knowing or council

1069
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,000
members knowing how long they're talking

1070
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,440
initially and then maybe we can kind of

1071
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,160
go from there

1072
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,160
» Maybe we can get

1073
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,960
get some clocks on the dis you know we

1074
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,520
don't need one for every person maybe

1075
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,720
every other person and see how long

1076
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,400
people We're talking.

1077
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,880
» Yeah.

1078
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,319
» Yeah.

1079
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,920
» I think that's quite reasonable.

1080
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:27,280
Actually had a a question, a fun

1081
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,000
question uh to council Honda. Now, if if

1082
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,920
I'm given five minutes and I'll look to

1083
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Council Member Hamilton to give me her

1084
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,839
five minutes, then I can speak for 10

1085
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,800
minutes. Is that allowable?

1086
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:41,760
» If the body wants that, but I don't know

1087
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,440
that the body would want that because

1088
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,040
» A lot of little details in this, but I

1089
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,280
just had to say that for fun. Um,

1090
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,359
» So this is our retreat and usually we go

1091
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,760
by first names at retreat. Is that Are

1092
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:50,960
we gonna

1093
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,359
» You know what? I thought the same thing.

1094
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,960
And so I started I started by I started

1095
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,240
down that road. Are we first names okay

1096
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,560
everybody?

1097
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,560
» Yes.

1098
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,839
» Yeah. Yeah. All right. Very good. Thank

1099
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:03,040
you.

1100
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:04,480
» Thanks, Susan. Um, okay.

1101
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,760
Okay. Uh,

1102
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,680
» Yes. Jack,

1103
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,520
» I I I was just going to go back to I

1104
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,040
think that self awareness, you know, if

1105
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,359
we have a time of self awareness, not a

1106
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,839
time kind of like what you were saying,

1107
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:17,920
people try to fill up that time, but

1108
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:23,000
it's just awareness. And also as far as

1109
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,000
awareness goes, what you're about to do

1110
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:34,000
limited about 45 minutes right now.

1111
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,480
» Okay. Hi, Linda. Well, I was

1112
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,800
» I was just going to say that it's really

1113
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,400
hard. This is nothing to be put in

1114
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,520
writing, but it's really hard when

1115
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,839
you're trying to argue a point and you

1116
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,000
see you're losing, it's hard to stop

1117
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:51,440
talking. We just have to remind

1118
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,480
ourselves, ah, move on. Thank you.

1119
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,920
» All right. Thank you. All right.

1120
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,880
Proclamation, scheduling, and limits.

1121
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,760
Council Honda Susan, sorry.

1122
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,119
» Thank you. Uh, so proclamations. In the

1123
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,319
last few years, we've had a number of

1124
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,480
discussions about too many

1125
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:06,079
proclamations, too few, whatever. You

1126
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,680
know, who's getting a proclamation, how

1127
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:12,560
they're getting it. And I don't want to

1128
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,640
um stop doing proclamations, but I do

1129
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,400
realize that when we have sometimes

1130
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,480
we've had five proclamations at a

1131
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,160
meeting, it takes a while. And a

1132
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,480
proclamation should be a special thing

1133
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,960
for the group or the person getting it,

1134
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,520
right? Where they feel very special

1135
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,880
because it is a special event for them.

1136
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,800
Um, I've watched a few council meetings,

1137
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,359
uh, where they actually do a special

1138
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,800
meeting ahead of time where they do the

1139
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:41,680
proclamations and it makes it

1140
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:44,000
a better event for the folks getting the

1141
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,319
proclamation because not only do they

1142
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,640
have they're not in a rush to, you know,

1143
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:50,079
how we always say, "Oh, would you like a

1144
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
minute or two to speak?" You know, for

1145
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:53,440
the person getting it, sometimes there's

1146
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,000
a group up there and they all want to

1147
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,119
speak. it just, you know, if we have the

1148
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,000
ability to um have maybe, you know, if

1149
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:04,000
we're doing proclamations at a meeting,

1150
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,359
maybe 20 minutes, you know, start at

1151
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,880
5:30 if we have that ability. I know we

1152
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:10,800
I know our special meetings are

1153
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,319
sometimes planned out for very, you

1154
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,760
know, important things that we act, you

1155
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:18,480
know, we have to spend a lot of time on,

1156
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:22,000
but um make proclamations

1157
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:25,680
special and and and allow people to to

1158
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,359
feel like this is their time and you

1159
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,160
know, then they can speak, they can get

1160
00:45:27,359 --> 00:45:31,760
photos taken and dur then during the

1161
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,560
meeting it's it makes the meeting more

1162
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:36,480
efficient time-wise. So that was that

1163
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,079
that was where that came from.

1164
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:40,560
» All right.

1165
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:43,040
Okay. Lindon,

1166
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,839
» I think one of the things we've had a

1167
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,400
discussion about in the past is who gets

1168
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:50,640
a proclamation. For example, you know,

1169
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,680
every month there's, you know, a month

1170
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,240
for something. Uh and and we we'll get

1171
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:59,359
an email that says, you know, we'd like

1172
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:00,640
to be recognized. So, how do we who's

1173
00:45:59,359 --> 00:46:03,359
going to select who gets the

1174
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,240
proclamations or not? That's all

1175
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:07,599
» Jack.

1176
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,119
» Yeah, with that I I think we have more

1177
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,119
proclamations.

1178
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:12,800
Last week I had what was the first

1179
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,960
proclamation I suggested in the four

1180
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,359
years I've been on the council, but I

1181
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:19,200
think

1182
00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:21,599
» Yeah. Okay. All right. I I I think we

1183
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,200
need to to work on limiting them some.

1184
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:27,040
But there there definitely should be

1185
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,079
proclamations though. Um perhaps I mean

1186
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,839
most of the time if we have a

1187
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,880
proclamation I get and Amy's there, hey,

1188
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:33,920
you have something for you to sign. And

1189
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,560
I'm, oh, interesting proclamation. I

1190
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,079
think that that maybe have it so that uh

1191
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,160
in order for there to be a council

1192
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,240
proclamation, three council members need

1193
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,880
to say, hey, let's let's do this

1194
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,560
proclamation rather than it just being

1195
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,880
whatever

1196
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,480
uh you know, anybody saying, "Hey, let's

1197
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:55,040
do a proclamation." Have have a little

1198
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:58,079
bigger number proposing it.

1199
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:02,400
» Okay. Or maybe two.

1200
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:04,240
Um just like at council any uh Susan

1201
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,000
» Um so do you want to keep them during

1202
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,359
the regular body of the regular meeting

1203
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,440
or do them ahead of time?

1204
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:13,560
» I I I kind of like your idea of doing it

1205
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,560
ahead of time myself,

1206
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,599
» But I'm I'm don't have strong feelings

1207
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,079
one way or another on it.

1208
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:23,920
Lenny.

1209
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:26,400
» Yeah, I don't have strong feelings

1210
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,560
either, but usually when they get

1211
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,800
proclamations, I it's nice to have a

1212
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:35,520
crowd there. So, if you do it during

1213
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:37,119
special um meetings, then

1214
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,480
that won't be there, but I do understand

1215
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:42,160
where you're coming from also. Um so,

1216
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:45,160
it's just my point.

1217
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,160
» Martin,

1218
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,520
» Thank you. Um you know, this one I kind

1219
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,680
of went back and forth on. I I

1220
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:56,079
definitely uh understand the sentiment

1221
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:57,520
of this or the intent of this. Um but I

1222
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,520
I think I kind of leaned towards regular

1223
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,599
council meetings. Um I'd be open to

1224
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,160
giving it a try, you know, at a special

1225
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,839
meeting to see how it goes. Uh but I

1226
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,920
mean the the city council, our regular

1227
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:13,280
meetings, they are our main meeting. Um

1228
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:16,400
and that's a time that I want to uh see

1229
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:20,000
us celebrate um people uh communities

1230
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,839
actions. Um and you know I mean the

1231
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,440
study sessions are or special meetings

1232
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:27,440
are mainly study sessions. Um

1233
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,680
there

1234
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,200
yeah I mean I think regular meetings I

1235
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,440
think is where we can have that

1236
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,920
celebrations of of that. So that's where

1237
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:39,680
I would kind of tend to lean towards but

1238
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,119
um I I'd be open to giving it a try and

1239
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,480
see what it looks like during a special

1240
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,559
meeting.

1241
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,480
» Okay. Well we um uh we are five minutes

1242
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,400
out now over that issue. Maybe we can,

1243
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,839
you know, ponder this, discuss it. Um,

1244
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,359
if there are a couple council members

1245
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:53,839
that'd like to, you know, get this on an

1246
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:55,599
agenda. Um, we can pursue that. Why

1247
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:57,920
don't we, uh, transition, if it's okay

1248
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,520
with everybody, we transition item four,

1249
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,839
transportation, infrastructure, funding,

1250
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,680
and downtown growth. Uh we've got uh

1251
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:06,880
council member, excuse me, we've got

1252
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,280
Melissa uh that will uh uh sort of be

1253
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,960
the the lead for council on on these

1254
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:15,280
discussions, but let's uh um actually as

1255
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,240
we get EJ up here who's going to do item

1256
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:21,359
A first and then we've got Keith with uh

1257
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,119
development mitigation. Um so the first

1258
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:25,440
item is downtown multimmodal

1259
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,040
transportation future capacity city

1260
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,880
center access. Then we've got

1261
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,960
development mitigation impact with Keith

1262
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,280
Nivven, community development director.

1263
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,680
Then Keith again for TC3 public market

1264
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,839
and per parking garage. And then Brian

1265
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,880
for farmers market festivals and

1266
00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:43,119
reimagining Gateway Shopping Center. So

1267
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,000
um Melissa, any thoughts? You guys see

1268
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:49,119
you're sort of the lead on this?

1269
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:51,920
» Do you want me to discuss first and then

1270
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:54,480
we can watch the presentations or

1271
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:57,280
» Uh what do you think? Um I I think I

1272
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:59,280
should uh discuss first and then we get

1273
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,160
the information and then we can discuss

1274
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,680
as a body.

1275
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,760
» Okay. Go ahead.

1276
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,079
» Okay. So since we're running behind,

1277
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,920
I'll try to get through this quickly. Um

1278
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,640
» We're only a couple minutes. There's no

1279
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,359
big hurry.

1280
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,040
» Okay. Um I brought this uh to the

1281
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:18,319
retreat because I think uh today I just

1282
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,160
want to think about alignment with our

1283
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:21,599
uh downtown core. I know that's

1284
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,119
something that we're all uh very

1285
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:26,134
interested in making sure that that's

1286
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,599
successful. And so uh the goal for

1287
00:50:26,134 --> 00:50:30,880
[clears throat] today for me is just to

1288
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:32,880
define what our downtown core success

1289
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:36,000
looks like. Uh you know what kind of

1290
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,880
downtown are we building? And so uh a

1291
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:42,240
couple of the mandates that we have to

1292
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:45,119
consider and acknowledge is uh the

1293
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:47,920
growth management act. So we are

1294
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,319
required to plan for the population and

1295
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:53,119
the growth there and then also the

1296
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:55,359
transitoriented development

1297
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,680
uh which is the TOD

1298
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:59,599
uh with the light rail. And so we are

1299
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:02,720
expected to accommodate for increased

1300
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:06,720
housing in that area. And I know that we

1301
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:10,720
just had a uh announcement made publicly

1302
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:14,000
that uh lot one and lot two uh will be

1303
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:15,599
uh awarded to or was awarded to MSC to

1304
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,680
build a lot of housing. And so the

1305
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:19,440
community is talking a lot about that.

1306
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:23,599
Um

1307
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:26,480
and uh so I think our responsibility

1308
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,960
with those mandates is just to maintain

1309
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,319
a strong tax base and then also just to

1310
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,839
make sure we're supporting our local

1311
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:36,880
businesses. uh in uh conjunction with

1312
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:39,200
the housing that we're required to have.

1313
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,960
And so uh today I just want to talk

1314
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:45,040
about you know our downtown vision and

1315
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:47,599
and uh having a mixeduse downtown core

1316
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,559
uh housing, retail, dining. One thing

1317
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:52,319
that Federal Way is known for that uh I

1318
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:55,040
talked to a lot of people about is our

1319
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:58,640
restaurants. We're kind of known as as

1320
00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:01,119
as an ethnic uh restaurant uh community

1321
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,200
and people travel here to visit our

1322
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:05,359
restaurants. So, uh maybe we could talk

1323
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:09,680
about that a little more. Maybe like a

1324
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:11,839
restaurant week idea. Um and then let's

1325
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,760
see. Let's see. Uh I I want to

1326
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:15,520
acknowledge some of the some of the

1327
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,839
successes that we've already had. We're

1328
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,359
not starting from zero with our downtown

1329
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:22,400
core. We have our performing arts

1330
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:24,240
center. We have our Town Square Park. uh

1331
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,480
we have the stairs connecting the pack

1332
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,960
to the park. So we have kind of the

1333
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:31,839
basic building blocks. It's just you

1334
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,280
know we need to build on that momentum

1335
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:35,200
that's already been started and thank

1336
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:38,880
you mayor for having a huge role in

1337
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:40,800
that. Uh so today staff is going to give

1338
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,880
four presentations.

1339
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,160
Uh speaking about you know council

1340
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,319
members talking too long. I feel like

1341
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,319
I'm talking too long right now, but uh I

1342
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:51,520
just want to, you know, think about the

1343
00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:52,880
vision that we have for a downtown core,

1344
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,359
you know, as we're listening to these

1345
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:58,880
presentations. And then also what's

1346
00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:01,760
interesting uh to to think about is uh

1347
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:05,680
there is um a house bill,

1348
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:09,040
it's 6026 that we discussed at city

1349
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:11,119
action days with our legislators and uh

1350
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:13,599
as a city I I believe we're opposed to

1351
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,960
it. Can I say that? Okay. We're opposed

1352
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:19,280
to what what is that

1353
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:22,000
» The the bill that um would eliminate

1354
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,559
city's requirement to have first floor

1355
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,839
retail.

1356
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:27,359
» Right.

1357
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:29,839
» So to me that that's a concern uh that

1358
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:31,599
we need to think about because I I I

1359
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:34,720
believe we want to maintain the ability

1360
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:37,760
to require first floor retail to make

1361
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:40,880
sure that our downtown core is uh

1362
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:44,640
successful. So, with that, I believe

1363
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,160
I've set it up and we can move on with

1364
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,079
the presentations.

1365
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,839
» Should we have EJ go and then and then

1366
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:51,520
we'll kind of go from there, you guys?

1367
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:53,280
Okay. All right. EJ.

1368
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,359
» So, good morning, council president,

1369
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,800
mayor, members of council. Um, to

1370
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:58,319
Melissa's point, I was asked to do kind

1371
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,760
of a short presentation to tee this up

1372
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:05,200
for council conversation. So,

1373
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,559
with that, um, first thing I do is

1374
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,920
figure out how to use this clicker to

1375
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,920
make it actually go forward.

1376
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,040
Thomas knows

1377
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,040
» I'm pushing buttons. It's not doing

1378
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040
anything.

1379
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,960
» Um so what is multi multimodal

1380
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:30,720
transportation? So at a core level it's

1381
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,240
a strategy to accommodate and balance

1382
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:34,640
motorized, non-motorized and public

1383
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:36,160
transportation. And really what we're

1384
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,800
trying to do is create a system that

1385
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,160
everybody can use across all of the

1386
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,839
different modes that people are using

1387
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,760
every day and that it treats everyone

1388
00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:50,079
equally that you know you can move no

1389
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:53,520
matter what mode of transit you're using

1390
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:55,760
then. So why do we want this? So there's

1391
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,760
two reasons. One, you know, no one likes

1392
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,720
sitting in traffic. That's kind of one

1393
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,920
very obvious reason. But the the big

1394
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,599
reason is we're trying to create

1395
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,240
reliable and predictable travel times

1396
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,920
for all system users. So that looks like

1397
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,240
everyone who's a you know single

1398
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,559
occupancy vehicle or SOV trying to get

1399
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,559
to their job. It also looks like someone

1400
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,440
on a bus and making sure the buses are

1401
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:19,760
running on time. It plays into

1402
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:22,559
microtransit. It also plays into people

1403
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,559
that are walking or or riding their uh

1404
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:28,079
bike. So, we're trying to create this

1405
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:31,040
layered approach that treats everyone um

1406
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:32,960
as a primary user and allows everyone to

1407
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,359
get both where they're trying to go and

1408
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:38,240
to in in a reasonable amount of time.

1409
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:40,400
Where this gets complicated is in in

1410
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:42,559
core concept, this looks like multiple

1411
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,040
layers. So, you know, at a very basic

1412
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:47,680
transportation planning perspective, you

1413
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,880
would think about this as I I live in my

1414
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,799
neighborhood. Now, your neighborhood may

1415
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,960
be an apartment building. It may be, you

1416
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:56,160
know, single family housing, but you

1417
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:58,880
walk out of your house and you get to a

1418
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,280
larger road. That larger road may have a

1419
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,680
bus stop on it. It may be a use for your

1420
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,960
car that goes out to the next larger

1421
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,880
road, which might be the highway. It

1422
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,640
might be the transit center. Um, and

1423
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,640
then from there, you're going into more

1424
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,880
of a long distance travel to go to the

1425
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,559
airport, to go to Seattle, to go

1426
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,839
wherever you want to go from there. But

1427
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,839
you you have that stepped approach.

1428
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:21,599
It's a super easy concept. When you

1429
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:23,920
start overlaying it across the entire

1430
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,680
city and you look at where housing is,

1431
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,520
where jobs are, all of a sudden where

1432
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:32,079
where I need to walk out of my home,

1433
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,480
you're in an arterial location trying to

1434
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:36,480
get that long distance travel. So that's

1435
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,359
the that's the challenge with multimodal

1436
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:42,000
transportation at at a macro level.

1437
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:45,599
So dumb

1438
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,119
within I died a bunch of times within uh

1439
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:49,280
federal way we have a number of

1440
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:51,760
different ways that we use it. So we

1441
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,480
have cars both single occupancy and and

1442
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:57,119
high occupancy or HOV. Uh we have

1443
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,880
trucks. So trucks are typically business

1444
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:00,480
delivery and freight. So we have them

1445
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,160
both moving through the city along PAC

1446
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,520
highway. We also have them intending to

1447
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,839
go to businesses whether it's a

1448
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:09,040
restaurant delivery or something else.

1449
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:10,880
Transit. So we have

1450
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,480
basically four different operating

1451
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,319
systems within the city. So King County

1452
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,880
Metro is the largest. Pierce Transit's

1453
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:18,960
the second. Sound Transit, which runs

1454
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,880
both buses and the light rail. And then

1455
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,400
the last one, I labeled it as

1456
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,040
Metrotransit Connect, but we can

1457
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,799
consider this microtransit. So this is

1458
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,079
everything from like the Hide Shuttle

1459
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:32,640
that's operated by Metro um to dial a

1460
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:35,200
ride that's operated by a combination of

1461
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,520
Metro and Sound Transit. Um things like

1462
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,920
Uber or Lyft would also fall into that

1463
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,760
category. We have light rail which is

1464
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,119
independent of our transportation system

1465
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,720
but you know and new but it's it's being

1466
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:51,200
used and then we have peds and bikes.

1467
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,119
So we also have three different types of

1468
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,599
capacities within the city. We have road

1469
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:58,240
capacity, user access capacity and

1470
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:59,920
service capacity. So within the

1471
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,839
conversation and the confines of

1472
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:04,000
multimodal

1473
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:06,480
networks, we have to figure out which

1474
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,400
capacities we're we want to talk about.

1475
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,400
We have the ability as a city to control

1476
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,119
two of the three of these. Um we don't

1477
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,680
operate for King County Metro. We are

1478
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:18,480
not Sound Transit. So we within the

1479
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:20,240
service capacity side of it, we don't as

1480
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,319
a city necessarily have the authority to

1481
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:23,920
tell Metro they have to add bus routes

1482
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:25,359
or that they need to run buses more

1483
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,280
frequently. We can certainly request

1484
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,839
that. Um, but they're their own

1485
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,440
government agency and you know the we

1486
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:32,799
want five minute headways for the bus

1487
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,119
versus eight minute headways that's

1488
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:37,760
that's really their call not ours. Where

1489
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:40,480
we do have influence is that those first

1490
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,760
two road capacity and user access

1491
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,240
capacity. So road capacity um looks like

1492
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,160
a number of different things. Looks like

1493
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:50,559
in the traditional sense how many lanes

1494
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,960
are on the road to move vehicles but it

1495
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,960
also looks at that network. And if we

1496
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,920
think of the network like a tree, we

1497
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,200
think that, you know, we start backwards

1498
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,880
from the tree. We start at the top of

1499
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,640
the tree and we're, you know, coming out

1500
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,640
of our house, we're kind of those the

1501
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,480
leaves or needles and then you're moving

1502
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,760
into the small branches. Small branches

1503
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,440
grow into the bigger branches. The

1504
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,960
bigger branches grow into the trunk.

1505
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,680
That's what road capacity looks like,

1506
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,760
too. So, within that tree, we can go in

1507
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,839
and selectively target what roads we

1508
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,960
want to increase or decrease capacity to

1509
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:22,799
influence the system. Um, and we we may

1510
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:26,400
want to do both depending on what we're

1511
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:28,960
specifically talking about to allow for

1512
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,920
more walkable downtown but also to

1513
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,440
increase traffic somewhere else. User

1514
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:37,200
access capacity. So this um in a very

1515
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,359
traditional thing sense this is things

1516
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,599
like bus stops. This is things like

1517
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:43,839
where are safe crossings of streets?

1518
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,440
Where where do people park? Um so

1519
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:47,440
whether that's on street or private

1520
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,119
parking. Um, so that is another area

1521
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,520
that is within the city's jurisdiction

1522
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,720
and control. And then service capacity,

1523
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,760
like I mentioned, that's the one that's

1524
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:58,720
outside of our control.

1525
00:59:55,760 --> 01:00:02,000
So within, so that's kind of the macro

1526
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:05,040
level tea up conversation. So we're all

1527
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,640
uh speaking with the same language.

1528
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:10,240
We've been working on the city center

1529
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,839
access project for um a long time.

1530
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,480
You'll see the timeline on the next

1531
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:17,200
slide. Um, but at a at a core level,

1532
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,280
what the city center access project is

1533
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,440
is working to address those two

1534
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,400
capacities that we just talked about

1535
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:26,400
that the city does have influence over.

1536
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,799
So, city center access recognizes that

1537
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:30,799
both the road and user access capacities

1538
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:33,359
are limited in the downtown. And what

1539
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:36,720
the project does is try to figure out

1540
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:40,480
how in the future the city can serve the

1541
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,319
entire community. Um, you know, I some

1542
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,720
of the outreach that we've done when we

1543
01:00:42,319 --> 01:00:47,119
go and we talk about city center access,

1544
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,119
the public connotation is that this is

1545
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:51,440
purely about how do we get people in and

1546
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:53,040
out of the downtown core. And that is

1547
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,280
absolutely a key element of it, but

1548
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,520
that's only half the project. So, the

1549
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:59,520
other half of the project is we know

1550
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,680
that depending on which set of data

1551
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:04,000
you're looking at, between 70 and 80% of

1552
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,359
the trips that come off of I5 and 320th

1553
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,799
are not trying to get to the downtown

1554
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:10,400
core. nor in the 2040 2050

1555
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:12,000
traffic projections are they trying to

1556
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,359
that's not going to change. There are

1557
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,319
people that are trying to get to their

1558
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:17,680
home on the west side of downtown. There

1559
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:20,400
people that are trying to get across

1560
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,799
military to go east towards Auburn to

1561
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,319
where their h homes are. That's not

1562
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,599
going to change. We're not eliminating

1563
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:28,799
housing on the west side of the

1564
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:30,640
downtown. So the other half of the city

1565
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:31,760
center access project is not just the

1566
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,359
people that are trying to get to the

1567
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,839
downtown. It's the people that are using

1568
01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:37,359
the highway and using our arterials

1569
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,640
getting them through the downtown

1570
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:40,799
efficiently to get where they're trying

1571
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,559
to go.

1572
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:46,640
So the other major goal of city center

1573
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:49,839
access and where the our tie to the

1574
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:54,079
federal government is on this project is

1575
01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:56,480
we are seeing on 320th ramp system um

1576
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:59,119
mainline backups. And what that means is

1577
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:01,119
it means at peak rush hour traffic is

1578
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:03,040
literally stopped on I-5 with people

1579
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:06,160
waiting to get onto the especially the

1580
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,839
southbound I5 ramp to get on to 320th.

1581
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,319
There's a lot of safety problems with

1582
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:13,680
that. Um you know that's it's a state

1583
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,599
highway. It's a federal highway. Um it's

1584
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:17,839
not sustainable for traffic on I5 and

1585
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:19,599
frankly it's where people all of a

1586
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:21,520
sudden don't want to get off at 320th.

1587
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,799
So, you know, if they're if we're talk

1588
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,079
if we're back to talking about how do we

1589
01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:25,839
get people into the downtown and they

1590
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:28,480
can't get off the highway to get there,

1591
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:30,640
they're going to keep driving. So,

1592
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,440
that's kind of the last piece of this is

1593
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:35,680
is creating a safe network.

1594
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,119
So, that's a lot for one project to

1595
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:41,680
tackle. Um so, at a at a very high

1596
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:43,680
level, um the city center access is a

1597
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:46,400
phased um right now we're showing it as

1598
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:50,160
nine phases project to spread out trips

1599
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:52,640
to a larger geographic area. Um, again,

1600
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,720
that larger geographic area, I guess I I

1601
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,799
glossed over the second bullet on that,

1602
01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:59,599
is it's not realistic to keep adding

1603
01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:03,040
lanes to 320th. Um, you know, there's

1604
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:04,880
there's a max number that we can we can

1605
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,119
add where it begins to turn into

1606
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,920
diminishing returns. Um, just adding

1607
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:11,839
more lanes doesn't keep adding capacity.

1608
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,599
So, we we need to spread the traffic

1609
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:15,039
out. Um, and this is both people trying

1610
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:17,039
to get into the downtown as well as

1611
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:20,559
through the downtown. And that's where

1612
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:23,520
this project comes in.

1613
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:25,599
So the background of this project. So we

1614
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,799
started this project in about as a city

1615
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:31,520
in about 2000. 2006 was the first city

1616
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:34,240
center access study and it basically

1617
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:38,400
looked at three sets of options for how

1618
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:40,240
do we get traffic off of 320th? Um and

1619
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,880
the two that kind of rose to the top

1620
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:46,799
were either 312th or 324th. There was a

1621
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:48,720
third option that fell off. um and

1622
01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:51,599
somehow spread out traffic that's

1623
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,280
getting to 320th. In 2009, the city

1624
01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:56,799
council deferred action and the project

1625
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,039
was shelved. 2017, we were um instructed

1626
01:03:56,799 --> 01:04:02,000
to re reinitiate this project and bring

1627
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:03,760
it back. Um so we we redid a lot of the

1628
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,599
work that was outdated at that point,

1629
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,000
updated traffic numbers, redid traffic

1630
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,119
counts, um reached out to the community

1631
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,720
again. You know, there was a lot of

1632
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,039
change in both business ownership as

1633
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,440
well as just people in the city. So we

1634
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:18,079
we used the original data but we kind of

1635
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:20,640
started over. Um again the same two

1636
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:23,440
options 312 and 324th kind of rose to

1637
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,839
the top. We went through a whole bunch

1638
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,520
of analysis in 2019. The city council

1639
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:30,400
selected the preferred alternative which

1640
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,240
was the 324th additional access and

1641
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:36,000
there I think the next slide has a map

1642
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:38,400
on it. Um go ahead.

1643
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,640
So at a high level this is what the

1644
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,640
project looks like. Um so you're seeing

1645
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,599
it broken into a couple of phases. Each

1646
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,520
one of these phases also has subphases.

1647
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:50,079
What you're seeing the red dots are the

1648
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:53,200
existing what we call gore points u

1649
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:55,520
which is the exit to the highway on I5

1650
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,039
today. We're not changing any of them.

1651
01:04:55,520 --> 01:05:00,559
So, we're not there's not going to be a

1652
01:04:57,039 --> 01:05:01,839
new exit ramp location from I5, but what

1653
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,880
you're going to have is a braided

1654
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:08,319
interchange, which if you're familiar,

1655
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:11,039
the closest local example is on a 405,

1656
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:13,839
4th, and 8th Avenue in Belleview. So, it

1657
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:15,599
is one exit that when you get on the

1658
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:16,880
exit splits between two roads. So,

1659
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:21,119
you'll have a choice to take either

1660
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:24,960
320th or 324th. So, ramp over 320th,

1661
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:27,520
keep going, and then get on to 324th.

1662
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,680
The

1663
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,920
project also has, you know, all four

1664
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:34,480
legs have configurations,

1665
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,880
but we can't just dump people on 32 24th

1666
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:39,119
as it sits today and expect capacity to

1667
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,280
magically increase from there. So, the

1668
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:45,039
project keeps going into the city center

1669
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:47,839
and expands capacity on 324th. Um, a

1670
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:51,599
future phase connects it going eastbound

1671
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:54,240
both on 320th and on 324th to Warehouser

1672
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:55,760
and down towards Military. And then

1673
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,160
there's additional local improvements

1674
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,319
that are shown at intersections and

1675
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,760
traffic. And the and the goal like we

1676
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:03,200
started with is really to get to that

1677
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,039
balanced approach that we're addressing

1678
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,720
all needs. So we've been working with

1679
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,839
King County Metro and Pierce Transit

1680
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,079
specifically. We've been working with

1681
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:13,119
Sound Transit for a very long time on

1682
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:14,960
what does this do to the bus routes. And

1683
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:17,039
one of the things it does is it allows

1684
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,799
increased efficiencies and it allows

1685
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:20,559
decreased headways because you have more

1686
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:22,960
choices.

1687
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:25,039
So this also does address mainline

1688
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:29,200
backups on I5 which is the federal

1689
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:31,440
connection again and um it increases

1690
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,119
both locally and regionally access to

1691
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:35,280
the transportation network and that

1692
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:37,440
means a range of things that means buses

1693
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,880
it means transit it means microtransit

1694
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:41,880
and also means single occupancy

1695
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,880
vehicles.

1696
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:48,319
So the first phase that you're going to

1697
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:51,039
see constructed starting in 2027 is

1698
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:53,599
related to Sound Transit's early work.

1699
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:57,280
So there's a cascade of dominoes that

1700
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:59,520
happens here. Um but to get the light

1701
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:01,760
rail in the light rail which is the red

1702
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,760
line on your screen in front of you and

1703
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,000
the extension for their next project to

1704
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:08,559
the operations facility, their

1705
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:11,440
operations facility needs to go through

1706
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:13,359
where the existing BPA tower is today.

1707
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,680
The BPA tower and the train can't

1708
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:18,640
obviously be in the same space. To

1709
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:20,960
relocate the BPA tower, the BPA tower is

1710
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:23,920
those black boxes. Those are the stars.

1711
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:26,240
Those are the new towers. The new tower

1712
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:29,039
needs to be located where 324th is

1713
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,799
today. This is further confined by

1714
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:33,280
what's not shown on the plan to the west

1715
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:35,280
of the new tower that's in 324th is

1716
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,440
there's two 60-inch water lines that

1717
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,119
serve all of Tacoma. It's the primary

1718
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,119
water that goes into Tacoma for the

1719
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:43,760
entire city.

1720
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:46,160
On the east side of the project is the

1721
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:49,760
Olympic pipeline that supplies all of

1722
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:52,400
the jet fuel to SeaTac airport.

1723
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,240
None of the none of the three of those,

1724
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,960
the two water pipelines or the Olympic

1725
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,960
pipeline can readily be moved. Um that's

1726
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,680
a that's a huge undertaking to literally

1727
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,640
turn off the water to to Tacoma.

1728
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,799
So um obviously if you're going to put a

1729
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,880
tower in the the train can't go where

1730
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:11,920
the tower is, the tower can't go where

1731
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:13,520
the road is. So the road needs to move.

1732
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,319
So what you're going to see starting in

1733
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,560
2027 is phase one of the city center

1734
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:21,359
access project that's being constructed

1735
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,880
jointly by BPA Sound Transit in the city

1736
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:26,560
to first relocate the towers. So 324th

1737
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:29,920
will be shut down for about a year and a

1738
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,920
half. Um relocate the towers, take down

1739
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,520
the existing towers, then build the

1740
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,560
roundabout that's on the screen in front

1741
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,120
of you. and some of the improvements

1742
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,440
going both towards the um traffic signal

1743
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:44,159
by target as well as 324th going to the

1744
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:45,440
west. Once that's done, then Sound

1745
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:48,799
Transit can start building their light

1746
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:51,759
rail. So, this is this is effectively

1747
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:54,880
the first phase of that project. Um and

1748
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:57,040
then phase two will be the city's

1749
01:08:54,880 --> 01:09:00,400
project, which we're working on rightway

1750
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:03,440
acquisition for right now, is 324 going

1751
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:05,679
west towards Pack Highway. Um that's the

1752
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:08,560
project specifically when we talk about

1753
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:10,400
the legislature ask and the legislative

1754
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,679
agenda that's very specifically what

1755
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,679
we're talking about is the construction

1756
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:18,640
funding for that 324 flag.

1757
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:20,239
So the current tasks is we have received

1758
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,600
uh NEPA which is the national

1759
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,199
environmental policy act from the

1760
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,839
federal highways. We've also received

1761
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:27,759
our our um what's called JR or

1762
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:30,560
interchange justification report which

1763
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:32,319
is through um federal highway

1764
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,480
administration. So all of that was

1765
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:36,400
approved this fall which is the first

1766
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:38,400
big milestone. Basically that is

1767
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,159
concurrence from the feds as well as the

1768
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,239
state as well as the city that we have a

1769
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:45,120
viable project and that we've gone

1770
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:47,440
through the planning phases sufficiently

1771
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:50,319
to prove that the project works and it's

1772
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:53,040
an advisable project. So that work is

1773
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:55,920
done. Um the state environmental policy

1774
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:58,320
act is it's a follow-on task to the

1775
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,480
national environmental policy act um but

1776
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:02,320
relies on a lot of that data that was

1777
01:10:00,480 --> 01:10:04,480
already done and approved. So that is

1778
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,640
currently in process.

1779
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:08,719
The hydraulic project approval. So

1780
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:11,360
there's some existing culverts under I5

1781
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:13,520
that are non-compliant with state um

1782
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:16,320
regulations as far as fist patches that

1783
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,600
this project is triggering upgrading um

1784
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:21,120
as well as a culvert through the

1785
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:23,120
existing park and ride. So, the HPA we

1786
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,880
are working through with the Army Corps

1787
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,280
right now. That's another federal permit

1788
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,199
that this project needs. Um, and that we

1789
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,480
have preliminary concurrence on, but

1790
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:32,560
we're we're working through the final

1791
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:35,600
steps on that, too.

1792
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,600
And then the BPA trail, which is the

1793
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,199
last piece of this. So outside of the

1794
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,719
city center access is technically a

1795
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:44,880
standalone project, but we um within the

1796
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:47,040
comp plan within the transportation plan

1797
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,000
where the BPA trail ends kind of near

1798
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:52,560
Celebration Park today. It is intended

1799
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,159
to continue along 324th, cross over the

1800
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:58,800
new ramp at 324th, go out to warehouser,

1801
01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:01,360
kind of hang a left, go northbound, go

1802
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,120
up near the existing fire department,

1803
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,719
and then continue along the BPA trail

1804
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,480
and connect into the regional trail

1805
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:08,080
network. So eventually you'll be able to

1806
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:10,080
walk on the BPA trail from where it ends

1807
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,480
today all the way to Auburn and keep

1808
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,760
going on it. And the long range King

1809
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,520
County plan is you'll actually be able

1810
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,480
to connect through the BPA trail system

1811
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,120
that goes [clears throat] up through

1812
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:20,880
Reton, Cascade, Fairwood, Newcastle, and

1813
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:24,400
you'll it'll be an actual regional trail

1814
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:26,239
you can keep going on. Um so we are in

1815
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,480
design and writeway acquisition for that

1816
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:35,320
first piece that goes all the way down

1817
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:35,320
through um 324th to uh I5.

1818
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:40,960
So timelines um I've kind of talked

1819
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,360
through this as we were um going through

1820
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,280
the presentation but we are in the 24 to

1821
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,600
27 section working on rightway

1822
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:51,760
acquisition early work which is the

1823
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:54,800
Sound Transit um BPA city center um

1824
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:57,520
roundabout is scheduled for 2728 phase

1825
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,679
one construction which is the original

1826
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:03,600
name but that's the 324th to pack

1827
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:07,280
highway section um is intended currently

1828
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:08,960
as soon as 2028 to start construction.

1829
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,480
Next slide. And this is just a little

1830
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,679
bit more detail on that environmental

1831
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:18,600
permitting. Um that is what I talked

1832
01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:18,600
through, but the NEPA seifca

1833
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:26,000
is under on the top part of that.

1834
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,400
And with that, I will turn it over to

1835
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,199
the mayor and council for conversation.

1836
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,920
» Um councelor Hamilton, any followup uh

1837
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:36,239
comments, questions? Yeah, I had just a

1838
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,840
couple of comments and questions. Uh, so

1839
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:42,000
the reason why I brought this up is

1840
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:44,800
because, uh, like you said, when our

1841
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:47,360
freeway is backed up at 320th, people

1842
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:50,560
aren't going to want to stop and come to

1843
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:52,560
Federal Way. And our Chamber of Commerce

1844
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,880
says this all the time that

1845
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:57,440
transportation, a good transportation

1846
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,199
system, is the wheels of commerce. So,

1847
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:02,560
if we don't have good transportation,

1848
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:06,719
it's going to affect our our commerce,

1849
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:08,960
our our economy. Um,

1850
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:10,000
so you said that phase two is the city's

1851
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,920
projects and that's where our

1852
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:16,640
legislative agenda comes in. Um, I'm

1853
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:21,120
curious, it doesn't look like we've

1854
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:23,440
gotten recent um public works assistant

1855
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,600
account investments.

1856
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:27,280
Can you talk about that?

1857
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,679
Yeah. So, the public works investment

1858
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,040
account is a is a loan program. Um, and

1859
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:34,320
you're right, we have not tapped into

1860
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:36,400
that. Um, we

1861
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,800
this project there's phases of it that

1862
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:41,679
might qualify for it. Um, typically

1863
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:44,880
that's used more for like fish culver um

1864
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:46,880
building sidewalks um slightly smaller

1865
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:48,719
projects. Um, but you're you're right,

1866
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:50,960
that's not a funding source we've looked

1867
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:53,760
at recently, namely because it's a loan,

1868
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,800
not a grant. Um, so we typically target

1869
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:58,880
grant funding opportunities. Um, it 100%

1870
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,360
is available to us if that's the the way

1871
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:03,920
we want to go. Um, but it is a a

1872
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:08,400
lowinterest loan. Um, when we've looked

1873
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:10,560
at it before, uh, we have

1874
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:13,520
sufficient reserves that an interfund

1875
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,760
loan is a cheaper option for us um, as

1876
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,120
far as repayment. Um but an inter fund

1877
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,640
loan typically has to be paid back in

1878
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:20,640
three years and the public works

1879
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,000
assistance fund is typically either five

1880
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,560
or 10 depending on the project. So

1881
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,719
there's absolutely advantages. Um but

1882
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:28,560
that's that is a vi very viable funding

1883
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:30,880
source.

1884
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,880
» Okay. Thank you. And then um I guess the

1885
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,480
good news is that uh Governor Ferguson

1886
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:36,880
has put a lot of money towards

1887
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:39,760
transportation in particular with

1888
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:42,719
bridges, fairies and culverts. Y

1889
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,880
» So maybe we can get some of that.

1890
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:47,120
Susan,

1891
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,640
» Thank you.

1892
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:51,840
So,

1893
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:56,080
talking about 320th and how 320 20th

1894
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:58,560
functions uh with the new uh transit

1895
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,440
station, Metro has the two bus stops on

1896
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:04,159
320th and I've talked with Metro about

1897
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:08,800
that several times. I've also watched at

1898
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:11,520
least two accidents happen on um the one

1899
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,199
on the side of the commons and I think

1900
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,719
it's people just rushing across trying

1901
01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:19,199
to get to the train and not going to

1902
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:21,040
this to the crosswalk. Um

1903
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:23,760
the metro folks have told me they're

1904
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,520
going to monitor it, but that um and if

1905
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,440
it becomes dangerous, you know, might

1906
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:29,120
try to move those bus stops. Does the

1907
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,320
city have a position on that? Because it

1908
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:33,920
it backs up traffic. When the the buses

1909
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,679
come, they come frequently because it's

1910
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,800
the red uh or the A-ine.

1911
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:38,960
» It's a line. Yeah.

1912
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:41,040
» And um

1913
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:45,040
» And then it's the uh the one that's

1914
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,760
going up to um Auburn and Green River.

1915
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,719
» Correct.

1916
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:51,840
» And uh standing on the corner there this

1917
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:53,360
summer and fall. I I mean I think it's

1918
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:56,000
dangerous. I think those bus stops are

1919
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,679
dangerous.

1920
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,679
» Yeah, there's there's a lot to unpack in

1921
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:01,920
that. Um,

1922
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:03,600
I am not aware of any accidents related

1923
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,120
to the bus stops. Not saying they're not

1924
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,719
there, just they were not brought to my

1925
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,760
attention. We can certainly look into

1926
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:11,520
that. Um, we as a city did ask that

1927
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:15,040
those bus stops be in the transit

1928
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,800
center. Um, and Metro

1929
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,159
did not want that because of the headway

1930
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,600
times and the amount of time it would

1931
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,600
take to circulate through the transit

1932
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:25,520
center and come back out versus keeping

1933
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:27,840
them on street. So, what you heard from

1934
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:33,040
Metro is pretty much what they told us

1935
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:35,360
is they they can put them on 3 or on

1936
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,719
what's that 23rd right there. Um, they

1937
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,239
can put them there. Like that's

1938
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:39,600
permissible. You know, we don't

1939
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:41,520
necessarily have a way to tell them you

1940
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,440
can't have a bus stop there and that

1941
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,520
they wanted that was their preferred

1942
01:16:43,440 --> 01:16:47,440
location and if it continued to be a

1943
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,080
problem, they would circle circle back

1944
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,920
with us and re-evaluate that. Um, but we

1945
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,360
we did ask to your point that they be in

1946
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,520
the transit center was our initial

1947
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,640
request and

1948
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,239
they're not there.

1949
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:00,560
» Well, I think we should be monitoring

1950
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:00,960
that. I I think it's a safety issue.

1951
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,760
» Sure.

1952
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:05,120
» Um, people don't maybe people don't

1953
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,640
understand the train comes and goes

1954
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,640
quite frequently, but if they see it

1955
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:12,000
coming and they're getting off the bus

1956
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:12,480
there, they're rush I've seen it happen.

1957
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,560
» So,

1958
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:17,760
» Yeah, I I completely believe you. I just

1959
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:20,239
I don't have accident reports that were

1960
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:21,679
shown to me related to it, but I yes,

1961
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:22,960
you're you're 100% right. You're raising

1962
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,600
all the same concerns we raised with

1963
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,280
Metro.

1964
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,199
» And then my second question, these

1965
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:29,600
slides aren't numbered, but it's it's a

1966
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:31,520
slide that says city center access BPA

1967
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,040
Sound Transit City Coordination, and it

1968
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:36,880
shows

1969
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:40,520
um the the black wiggly line that goes

1970
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,520
that's our project.

1971
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:46,000
is that

1972
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,199
» It's a next to the last slide.

1973
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:50,840
» I got to phone a friend to help me

1974
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:50,840
change the slides here.

1975
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:02,400
» That one. So the the black line that um

1976
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:04,320
is our project is that in the current

1977
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:06,080
park and roid

1978
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,480
» The squiggly line is the culvert

1979
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,560
replacement. So that is that is the

1980
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:12,400
existing culvert that's doesn't meet

1981
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,000
fist patch. requirements that needs to

1982
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,960
be upgraded as part of this project.

1983
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,480
» So, the the um

1984
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,800
» And yes, it is in the existing parking

1985
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:18,960
ramp,

1986
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,360
» But it's it's not going to take parking

1987
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,600
away.

1988
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:26,000
» It is going to take parking away.

1989
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:28,640
» Um because I've been told that this is

1990
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,159
the backup parking for uh light rail.

1991
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,480
And

1992
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:34,880
so, how many spots will it take away?

1993
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:37,440
» Um it's not fully designed yet, so I

1994
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:39,040
don't have a hard answer for that. It we

1995
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,679
have been talking So, this park and ride

1996
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,719
is actually owned by

1997
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:44,320
» Washtop. Um it is in two of these

1998
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:47,280
sections that are currently closed that

1999
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:50,080
have not operated since about 2016. Um

2000
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,640
washd is amendable to open channeling

2001
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:55,679
this and removing all of the parking and

2002
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:57,360
but that is a ongoing conversation that

2003
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:59,280
frankly is probably two or three years

2004
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,800
away.

2005
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,640
Well, as we have more and more people

2006
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:07,080
using light rail and transit, which is

2007
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:07,080
the goal, um,

2008
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,640
it's very likely we're going to need

2009
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,880
that parking

2010
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,640
» Potentially. Like I said, this is a a

2011
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,640
conversation that hasn't really occurred

2012
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,880
yet. Um, so the covert has to be

2013
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,880
replaced under state law as part of this

2014
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:23,199
project. So, what that looks like,

2015
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,719
whether that remains underground or is

2016
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:26,640
uh daylighted, which is the state's

2017
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:28,400
preference, is something we'll need to

2018
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,239
work through. That's part of the HBA

2019
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,760
process that we're we're not that far

2020
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:32,080
down the project yet to have

2021
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,840
» Okay.

2022
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,360
» To have the answers you're looking for.

2023
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,159
» Okay. Thank you.

2024
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:40,159
» Okay. Any other questions for EJ?

2025
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,600
» Yeah. Martin, would you like to turn my

2026
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:44,400
mic off?

2027
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:47,920
» Okay. All right. Uh, thank you, Mayor.

2028
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:49,360
Um uh I I uh first of all I appreciate

2029
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:52,320
Council Member Hamilton bringing this

2030
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:56,800
forth as a conversation because I think

2031
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:59,280
it's it's a dynamic and huge uh weight

2032
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,719
uh on our downtown and it's a

2033
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,800
conversation that we need to constantly

2034
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:06,080
have quite frankly. Uh so thank you

2035
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:08,159
council member. Um that being said um I

2036
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:12,960
caught some key words here that caught

2037
01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:16,159
my attention. um and that's um 324th and

2038
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:19,440
correct me if I'm wrong uh it would be

2039
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:21,920
uh shut off for a period of time during

2040
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:24,880
construction which makes sense. Um and

2041
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:27,120
did I hear you say 2027?

2042
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,159
» Yes, that's when BPA is telling us that

2043
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,640
they're going to build.

2044
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:32,400
» Okay. And so obviously I mean I'm

2045
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:36,080
stating the obvious. There's going to be

2046
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:38,000
plenty of public notice on that and it's

2047
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,920
an obvious statement. I mean really.

2048
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:42,800
» Yes. And we've so we've been working

2049
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:45,920
with Belmore for years at this point.

2050
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,960
The Commons Mall is also very heavily

2051
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,719
involved in this. Um and we've you know

2052
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,320
if you go to the the website that's on

2053
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:54,239
the screen and any of the outreach

2054
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:58,560
events that is one of the first topics

2055
01:20:54,239 --> 01:21:02,239
we bring up. Um 324th is a little bit

2056
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:04,400
unique that um compared to every other

2057
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:06,960
almost every other road in the city in

2058
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:09,840
that we actually have an easement from

2059
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:12,000
BPA for 324th from Pack Highway going

2060
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,920
eastbound to the park and ride. It's not

2061
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,320
actually right away.

2062
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:19,199
» So it's it's BPA's property that we have

2063
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:20,800
an easement for the road on. So in

2064
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:22,400
short,

2065
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,840
we don't necessarily have authority to

2066
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:27,440
tell them they have to keep it open

2067
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:29,120
because it's their property. So um it's

2068
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:30,960
a it's an interesting dynamic that

2069
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,400
section of road um because there's

2070
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,560
multiple jurisdictions that have

2071
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,800
authority on it

2072
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,640
» And you obviously Belmore like you just

2073
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,199
stated is going to be heavily impacted

2074
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,239
» Correct

2075
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:44,560
» Quite a bit. I know there's been ongoing

2076
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:47,360
discussions and there's agreements that

2077
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:50,239
they've been aware of and but

2078
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:52,400
» So their access will be

2079
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:54,639
» Um

2080
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,239
impacted the there's no property takes

2081
01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:58,000
as a result of this project so the

2082
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:59,360
property takes are from Sound Transit.

2083
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,679
» Yes. Um,

2084
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,880
» Yes.

2085
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:02,560
» But the

2086
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,239
» But yes, their access will be

2087
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:06,080
» Yeah. And the lens I was saying that

2088
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:07,520
through was the big picture.

2089
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:11,040
» Uh that they're they're going to be

2090
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:12,560
heavily impacted by this uh with the big

2091
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,800
picture and of course that's on my mind

2092
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:17,120
because we're talking about people uh

2093
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,960
that are going to be impacted. So, uh, I

2094
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:21,520
think and the other clarification I I

2095
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,800
wanted was, um, uh, Council Member

2096
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,639
Hamilton, you mentioned that Governor

2097
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,960
Ferguson's is putting in a lot more

2098
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:30,239
funding for bridges and constructions

2099
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:33,520
and whatnot. Um, and that that and maybe

2100
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:36,639
EJ too, but that would be new uh that

2101
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,159
would be existing bridges. Uh, would

2102
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:39,280
that be right or is that just existing

2103
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:40,960
and new

2104
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,600
» Maintenance and preservation?

2105
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,679
» Maintenance

2106
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,679
» Is what he's focused on. But he did

2107
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:47,920
mention that the transportation budget

2108
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:48,960
is healthy. It's the operating budget

2109
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,480
that has the deficit.

2110
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,800
» I just wonder if it's going to cover

2111
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:54,159
Yeah, I I appreciate that. Um because

2112
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,440
I'm wondering if that's going to cover

2113
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:59,280
new projects, new constructions. Now,

2114
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:01,440
actually, you'd be actually one of the

2115
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,280
things that we found at AWC when we were

2116
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:05,199
there for city action days

2117
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:07,840
» When we heard from the governor is that

2118
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:11,920
there are nearly I think there was 281

2119
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:14,159
almost three nearly 300 bridges that are

2120
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:17,280
in dire need of repair throughout the

2121
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:21,520
state um that fall below objective

2122
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:24,239
standards of of safety. And so that's

2123
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:26,239
that's the the key factor. That's a huge

2124
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:27,600
deal in regard to infrastructure

2125
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:30,719
improvements. So,

2126
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:34,159
» And that and that's what I um

2127
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:37,440
I I asked that with my my perspective

2128
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:39,120
was was to rebuild uh and make sure that

2129
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:41,199
all of our bridges are safe because of

2130
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,000
what was just stated. I wasn't sure if

2131
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:45,920
that covered new projects that that we

2132
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:48,639
have that we just heard about here or

2133
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:51,679
not, but it's still worth a a revisit,

2134
01:23:48,639 --> 01:23:53,760
relook uh strategize uh with everybody

2135
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:56,080
to see if there's a little nugget in

2136
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,280
that budget that we can get. So, I'm not

2137
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,920
saying we shut the door, but I just want

2138
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:02,080
to kind of get get clarity on on that.

2139
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:04,560
So,

2140
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,800
all right. Um All right. Any other

2141
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,880
questions for EJ? Hey, council. I've got

2142
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,360
an idea. Would you mind? Um, we've been

2143
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,320
going for about an hour and 20 minutes,

2144
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,159
25 minutes now. Uh, would it be okay if

2145
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,360
we uh broke for I was going to say five,

2146
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:21,360
but I think seven's more realistic. Uh,

2147
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:23,840
everybody okay with breaking for seven

2148
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:25,760
minutes?

2149
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,800
» Very good. Awesome. So, we're Martin and

2150
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:30,480
I. All right. So,

2151
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,199
all right. We're in recess for exactly

2152
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:35,760
seven minutes. I'm starting a timer. So,

2153
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:37,040
um,

2154
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,600
» My timer is slower than yours.

2155
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,360
» Good grief.

2156
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:43,080
» Let's use mine.

2157
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,080
» Okay, timer started.

2158
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:47,199
» Okay, everybody. Uh, let's go ahead and

2159
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,000
get started. We've got Keith Non here

2160
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:53,000
for development mitigation impact. Um,

2161
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Keith.

2162
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,080
» Uh, good morning everybody. Um, so this

2163
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,400
is my most abstract presentation today,

2164
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,560
so um, bear with me. we'll bump through

2165
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:05,360
it and we're getting it over first. So,

2166
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:07,520
I'm I'm happy about all of that. Um, so

2167
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,920
we're going to talk about development um

2168
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,719
broadly and I think we'll then be able

2169
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:14,000
to focus in I think on what Melissa was

2170
01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:17,199
looking for, which is to talk about

2171
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,199
downtown a little bit. So, there's a an

2172
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:22,080
equation that developers go through and

2173
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:24,400
it it really deals with land costs and

2174
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,120
permitting and then there's city costs

2175
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:30,159
and construction and what they're

2176
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:33,440
looking for is really um the best

2177
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:35,679
opportunity um to find a project and put

2178
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:38,800
it together. And that's that's generally

2179
01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:40,480
true for most developers. Um locally, we

2180
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:43,679
know there's some exceptions. So, for

2181
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:46,080
example, Belleview has Keer Freeman who

2182
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:49,120
um the Freeman Development Company has

2183
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:51,120
been part of Belleview and responsible

2184
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,520
for a lot of downtown Belleview's

2185
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:55,679
development over the last 20 years. And

2186
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:58,320
Isizakiqua has the Rally family which is

2187
01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:02,080
a kind of an equivalent at a smaller

2188
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:04,400
scale. Um we do not have any family

2189
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,960
business developers that I'm aware of in

2190
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:08,800
Federal Way. Um and that's that's a

2191
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:11,440
missing piece. And so what we need to do

2192
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:14,400
is we need to attract people uh to our

2193
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:17,440
community to develop here.

2194
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,679
So what I wanted to do was look at kind

2195
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:21,760
of applesto apples comparison on land

2196
01:26:19,679 --> 01:26:24,000
costs. What we know is that we have a

2197
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:26,639
piece of property in Federal Way right

2198
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,239
now that's listed for $8 million. Uh if

2199
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:30,080
you don't know that's the Black Angus.

2200
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:32,639
Um so if you have $8 million and want to

2201
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:36,080
buy a restaurant, a steakhouse, um Black

2202
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:38,320
Angus is for sale. Um, what I wanted to

2203
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,480
do was look at some other cities and

2204
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,239
these are all active listings. So these

2205
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:44,480
are this is what eight generally $8

2206
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:46,239
million can get you. It can get you

2207
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:49,920
about a quarter of an acre in Seattle

2208
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:52,960
downtown. Um 2729 Second Avenue is

2209
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:57,440
currently for sale for $8 million. Uh

2210
01:26:52,960 --> 01:27:00,080
418 Central Avenue in Kent um is for

2211
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:02,639
sale right now for $7.5 million. It's a

2212
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:05,440
retail center. And then Lynwood is I and

2213
01:27:02,639 --> 01:27:08,159
I pick Lynwood because Lynwood is in a

2214
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:10,239
way weirdly kind of a Federal Way

2215
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:12,320
doppelganger on the north end. They have

2216
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:14,080
a light rail station. Merlone Guyire has

2217
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:16,159
a big mall there. There's like you could

2218
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:18,320
just kind of draw down all the parallels

2219
01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:20,719
between Federal Way and Lynwood. And so

2220
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:23,920
what you can see here is on a price per

2221
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:25,840
acre for existing property with with

2222
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:28,159
something on it, you know, and I'm going

2223
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:31,120
to exclude Seattle because it's it's its

2224
01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:34,320
own thing. um you know somewhere between

2225
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,960
you know four and $5 million is a good

2226
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,480
price tag to keep in mind if uh if

2227
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,639
somebody was looking to buy a piece of

2228
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:44,239
property to redevelop for federal way.

2229
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:46,080
All right, construction costs. So

2230
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:48,880
construction costs are really talking

2231
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:53,199
about materials and labor. Um and for

2232
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:55,520
our region um it's it's equivalent um no

2233
01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:58,000
matter what city you're working in. Um,

2234
01:27:55,520 --> 01:28:01,120
I included the construction cost index

2235
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:03,199
below just so you all see that um, as

2236
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,520
with everything else in life, uh,

2237
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:08,800
construction costs have continued to go

2238
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:11,360
up uh, year after year over time and

2239
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:13,280
that will continue into the future. I

2240
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:16,400
have no doubt.

2241
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:18,960
Um, next is permitting. Um, so

2242
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,280
developers are seeking an optimization

2243
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:24,080
between flexibility and predictability.

2244
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:26,000
Right? You talk to developers and and

2245
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,600
hard line is hard for them. They always

2246
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:31,040
like to well what about this what about

2247
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,639
that but it can't be so discretionary

2248
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:36,960
that they don't know that they can get

2249
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:38,960
their project built. Um so I used AI to

2250
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:42,320
tell me what is permitting like in

2251
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:44,239
federal way. So what AI says is federal

2252
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,320
waste development permitting is seen as

2253
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:48,800
complex and sometimes challenging by

2254
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:51,600
businesses facing issues with code

2255
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:54,239
compliance, lengthy processes and high

2256
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:56,960
fees like for land disturbance. Uh

2257
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:59,760
though the city aims for growth and has

2258
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:01,679
streamlined some areas like ADUs, it's a

2259
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,679
mix of trying to balance strict codes

2260
01:29:01,679 --> 01:29:06,000
with development needs requiring

2261
01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:08,239
thorough preparation for applications.

2262
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,600
And I read that and I I I first I

2263
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,719
thought, well, this isn't glowing. But

2264
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,719
then I thought, you know what, this is

2265
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:13,920
actually pretty accurate. Um, so I

2266
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:15,920
wanted to share it with you because I

2267
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:18,800
actually think this is fairly true. And

2268
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,639
if you knew nothing about our permitting

2269
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:23,280
process, you know, there's word of

2270
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:24,960
mouth, but everybody checks AI at this

2271
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,280
point and asks their questions to Google

2272
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:29,199
and see what they get. So this is this

2273
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,920
is as good a marketing as we have. And

2274
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:34,159
if we want to work on this, which I

2275
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,360
think we should, um, it'd be nice to get

2276
01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:39,760
it uh to raise it up a bit. All right,

2277
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:41,840
critical areas. So the next thing that

2278
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,920
affects development is critical areas.

2279
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,840
So this is our GIS layer. You guys

2280
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,679
probably don't look at this much. Um I

2281
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,520
don't look at this much, but what I

2282
01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:52,880
wanted to show you here is the downtown

2283
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:55,360
is outlined in blue. You know, uh the

2284
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:57,679
the Commons Mall is the big boot at the

2285
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,639
bottom. Um and it stretches all the way

2286
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:03,440
up to Hillside Plaza um at the north

2287
01:30:00,639 --> 01:30:05,120
end. Uh but what you can see here is

2288
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:06,560
there are no critical areas in our

2289
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,000
downtown. And that's good news for

2290
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,199
development. It means I don't have to

2291
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,800
worry about wetlands. I don't have to

2292
01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:13,040
worry about streams. There's kind of a

2293
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:16,080
little stream tail that comes out of the

2294
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:18,400
commons at the south end. Um, and but

2295
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:20,239
other than that, it's pretty much free

2296
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,920
of critical areas. And so that makes it

2297
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:24,239
easier for developers to develop. They

2298
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:26,960
don't have to worry about not being able

2299
01:30:24,239 --> 01:30:29,600
to develop on every square foot of the

2300
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:32,080
property that they purchase.

2301
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:34,880
All right. So then city costs. Um, and

2302
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:37,280
this is kind of the last piece. Um so

2303
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,679
impact fees is the table that I gave you

2304
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:42,159
on the left and I I didn't do an

2305
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:43,760
exhaustive comparison but I I compared

2306
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:46,639
Federal Way with Auburn Tuck Willow

2307
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:50,719
Redmond is Aquan Shoreline. Um and what

2308
01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:53,600
I can tell you is our impact fees are

2309
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:56,239
you know kind of in line or lower than

2310
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:59,920
many of the other cities in King County.

2311
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:02,000
Um and so as a developer um you know

2312
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:04,639
back to that development equation at the

2313
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:07,360
very beginning is okay this isn't going

2314
01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:09,840
to turn me away from Federal Way um per

2315
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:12,560
se. This is this is something I would

2316
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:14,560
have expected. The other thing that

2317
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:16,880
comes with development that that falls

2318
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,880
in the bucket of city costs is they have

2319
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,239
to do storm water improvements and they

2320
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:23,360
have to do potential street

2321
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:26,080
improvements. And so for storm water,

2322
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:28,960
it's dealing with both quantity, so

2323
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:30,719
that's detention, making sure that the

2324
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:32,880
water running off the property after

2325
01:31:30,719 --> 01:31:35,600
it's developed is no greater than what's

2326
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,480
running off before, and quality. You

2327
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:41,440
can't um put contaminants that's going

2328
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:42,960
to discharge into the the uh public

2329
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:45,280
storm water system, which ultimately

2330
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,960
eventually gets into the natural storm

2331
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:49,440
water system, which is our creeks and

2332
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:51,520
rivers, and ultimately Puget Sound. And

2333
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:53,920
then streets, you know, the biggest

2334
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:56,480
issue with streets is if there's missing

2335
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,840
parts of streets. Now, for example, you

2336
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:59,760
know, there's not like let's say there's

2337
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,280
not a sidewalk in front of the property.

2338
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,320
Now, you know, a developer would be

2339
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:06,800
expected to put that sidewalk in. If the

2340
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,360
city plans for that street where that

2341
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:11,520
property is has an additional lane, they

2342
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,520
would have to dedicate property and

2343
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,880
ultimately build that lane of traffic

2344
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:16,239
and then the sidewalk and the street

2345
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:20,239
trees and everything else that goes with

2346
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:22,480
it. So that that cost varies. Both of

2347
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:26,400
those costs on storm water and streets

2348
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:28,480
um vary on a parcel by parcel um basis.

2349
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:30,400
And um I will definitely phone a friend

2350
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:34,080
if you guys have questions about that.

2351
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:35,840
So for all of that being said, one of

2352
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,920
the questions that I've heard multiple

2353
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:41,120
times is, you know, we've have we we had

2354
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:46,000
a light rail station open on December

2355
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:48,000
6th. Um, and there has been a striking

2356
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,960
lack of development happen in our

2357
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:53,120
downtown that had anticipated that piece

2358
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:56,320
of public infrastructure and that piece

2359
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:59,520
of transportation capacity. And the

2360
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:02,080
question is why? And one of the things

2361
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:04,320
that um developers, real estate

2362
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:07,760
developers, land developers are known

2363
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:09,280
for as being conservative. And what I

2364
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,600
mean by that is nobody wants to be the

2365
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:15,360
first one out there to see if ultimately

2366
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:17,440
I build a mid-rise building and I have

2367
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,040
to charge a certain amount of rent

2368
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:22,320
whether it's for apartments or for

2369
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:24,560
office whether I can actually get that.

2370
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:27,840
And when you look at what's been built

2371
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:30,159
in federal way um over the past um let's

2372
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,639
say 10 years um a lot of it's senior

2373
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:35,760
housing um a lot of it's affordable

2374
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:39,679
housing and so if I'm a market builder

2375
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:42,880
um and I know I need to get say $2500

2376
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:44,719
for um onebedroom or two-bedroom

2377
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:47,280
apartment I don't know if I can get that

2378
01:33:44,719 --> 01:33:49,760
because there is no market comparable

2379
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,440
and so we're asking somebody to go first

2380
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:53,840
and that is one of the reasons and we'll

2381
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:55,440
get into TC3 and and the trend

2382
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:56,800
development agreement in the next

2383
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:59,679
presentation. But that's one of the

2384
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:02,400
reasons we worked with a developer to

2385
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:05,440
try and get something to happen because

2386
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:07,920
we think that once somebody proves the

2387
01:34:05,440 --> 01:34:10,960
market and that there's there that our

2388
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:15,199
our community can support that level of

2389
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:17,760
rent um others will come. But until that

2390
01:34:15,199 --> 01:34:19,840
happens, we're kind of stuck on square

2391
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,440
one to some extent. And with that, I'm

2392
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:25,040
going to stop talking.

2393
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:28,159
Okay. Um Susan and then Lydia.

2394
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:32,639
» Thank [clears throat] you. So

2395
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:34,639
when um with the light rail here and and

2396
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:38,480
functioning

2397
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:42,000
has the value of TC3 that uh gonna have

2398
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:44,880
is that worth more money now? And um for

2399
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:47,520
Black Angus 8 million see I don't know

2400
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:50,080
anything about buying a property like

2401
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:53,440
Black Angus but 8 million sounds like a

2402
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:55,520
lot of money. Is did that is that the

2403
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:57,280
reason 8 million because of light rail

2404
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:00,239
being so close to it?

2405
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:04,639
» If I had to um if I had to guess I would

2406
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:07,679
guess that um $8 million reflects the um

2407
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:10,400
proximity to transit. So yes, I assume

2408
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:12,719
it affected in a positive way the value

2409
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:17,920
of that property um before it was

2410
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:20,880
listed. Um in terms of is TC3

2411
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:23,520
worth more than it was say two years

2412
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:26,320
ago? Absolutely. It's probably worth

2413
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,280
more. Um but what we did and we'll talk

2414
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:29,679
about that

2415
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:32,159
» Next. Um but yes.

2416
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:35,040
» So for the Black Angus site, what else

2417
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:40,400
could go there besides a restaurant? Um,

2418
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:42,639
so it's it's owned uh city center

2419
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:45,600
core I think either core or frame. I

2420
01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:48,080
think it's core. Um, so it it the the

2421
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:51,120
full mix of urban land uses could go

2422
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:54,239
there. So retail, office, uh, multif

2423
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:57,600
family, um, mixed use, um,

2424
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:59,120
entertainment, um, churches,

2425
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,120
» You do you do all sorts of stuff.

2426
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:04,000
» How long has it been on the market?

2427
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:05,120
» Uh, Meredith, do you know? September.

2428
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,239
» September.

2429
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:11,880
» Okay. All right. Thanks.

2430
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:11,880
» Okay. And Lydia.

2431
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:15,840
» Yeah. Um with the impact fees.

2432
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:18,719
» Yes.

2433
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:20,880
» Why is ours arranged for park impact fee

2434
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:25,840
and Yeah.

2435
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:28,320
» Uh it so the it used to be $2,200. Um

2436
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:30,159
that was easy and we we said let's just

2437
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:33,440
make it one price whether it's a big

2438
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:35,360
house or a small house. Um and

2439
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:38,639
ultimately the state legislature said

2440
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:43,440
you can't do that. Uh you need to uh

2441
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:46,080
make it um a product of kind of the

2442
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:47,600
square footage of the residents with an

2443
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:50,719
understanding that bigger houses have

2444
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:54,080
more people and more impact on parks. So

2445
01:36:50,719 --> 01:36:56,239
those cities that still show it as being

2446
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:57,679
singular and not a range, um I'm

2447
01:36:56,239 --> 01:37:00,159
guessing they haven't changed their

2448
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:02,000
impact fee schedule yet.

2449
01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:04,320
» And Okay. Thank you. And with the school

2450
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,760
impact fee um

2451
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,159
» It's at zero now.

2452
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,239
» Yeah.

2453
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:10,080
» Is that because there's not that many

2454
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:13,760
multifamily housing built or is the

2455
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:15,840
school not adding schools or building?

2456
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:19,920
» Um there were a few things that

2457
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:22,400
happened. Um last time uh that the

2458
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:25,199
school impact fees were assessed by the

2459
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,280
city council. So ultimately for those

2460
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:30,320
that are new that may not know this, um

2461
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:32,880
we collect impact fees on behalf of the

2462
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:36,239
school district and then we we wheel

2463
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:39,360
them through and what the school

2464
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:41,760
district typically does is prepare a

2465
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:45,119
capital facilities plan. So they project

2466
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:46,880
out the number of kids. They then make

2467
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:48,880
um some assumptions about what kind of

2468
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:51,520
capital projects they would need and

2469
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:53,440
then back their way into what would be a

2470
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:56,960
development impact that could be

2471
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:59,360
assessed to developers for our downtown.

2472
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:02,159
Um and and the last conversation that

2473
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:06,800
happened related to school impact fees.

2474
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:08,880
Um one most of those units that we

2475
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:11,920
believe will happen in our downtown will

2476
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:14,880
be studios onebedrooms with some twos.

2477
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:17,440
Um so school generation should be small.

2478
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:19,679
Um the other thing that we're doing is

2479
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:22,880
the pendulum has swung back the other

2480
01:38:19,679 --> 01:38:25,280
direction. Um school impact fees for

2481
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:28,719
federal way uh for multif family used to

2482
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:31,600
be $22,000 a unit which is why nobody

2483
01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:35,360
built market rate housing in federal way

2484
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:37,280
for a long time. Um and that was known

2485
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:40,080
across the region. Um I knew about it

2486
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:42,480
when I was working in isqua. So um it is

2487
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:46,159
now zero. Um, as you can see, a number

2488
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:49,280
of other cities are at zero. Um, and so

2489
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:51,520
what I would say is that's a temporary

2490
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:54,239
situation. At some point, we will

2491
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:56,480
probably, um, in conversations with the

2492
01:38:54,239 --> 01:39:01,040
school district, uh, move that number

2493
01:38:56,480 --> 01:39:03,840
up, but for right now, it's at zero.

2494
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:05,119
» Okay. Thank you, Melissa.

2495
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,560
» Uh, thank you, Keith, for that

2496
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,159
presentation and thank you for working

2497
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:10,320
with me on that. [laughter]

2498
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:13,600
» Absolutely. Keith was like, "What do

2499
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:16,639
what what do you want?" Um, so I do have

2500
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:19,520
one question and that is uh do we have

2501
01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:21,679
stricter or additional SEIPO

2502
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,080
requirements than what the state

2503
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:26,719
minimums are?

2504
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:34,239
» Um,

2505
01:39:26,719 --> 01:39:36,719
no, not not stricter. Um, I think um,

2506
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:38,320
yes, I'm going to say no.

2507
01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:40,719
» Thank you.

2508
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:42,080
All right. Um, should we uh go on to the

2509
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:44,400
next presentation and we'll have more

2510
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:47,920
Oh, I'm sorry, Linda.

2511
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:49,840
» I had thought that [clears throat]

2512
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:54,480
Thank you, Keith. I had thought that um

2513
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:58,320
at when we first with uh implemented the

2514
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:59,920
no impact fees for the downtown uh no

2515
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:02,719
school impact fees that that was going

2516
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:05,040
to be a 10-year. Is that

2517
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:07,040
» I believe it is in code as tenure. Yes,

2518
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:09,600
ma'am. But is it 10 year from when the

2519
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,800
project starts or 10 year from when we

2520
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,560
created the ordinance?

2521
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:13,040
» 10 year from the ordinance creation. So

2522
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,239
it's

2523
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:16,560
» Just about done.

2524
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:19,199
» Um I think we're in year like three or

2525
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:21,040
four. So we're not halfway there yet.

2526
01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:22,480
That that's I've only been here since

2527
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,080
21. So

2528
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:25,679
» And it happened during my watch.

2529
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:28,159
» Double check that because I remember it

2530
01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:30,880
as being much longer because I remember

2531
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:33,440
the fire department talking about it.

2532
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:37,360
» So um just double check. I could be

2533
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:39,840
wrong. Um, but I'm I'm this may be

2534
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:42,080
bleeding into the next um presentation

2535
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:46,800
that you're making, but [clears throat]

2536
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:48,239
for uh for the four different lots next

2537
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,719
to the transit garage.

2538
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,880
» Yes.

2539
01:40:48,719 --> 01:40:53,040
» You've got one and two already purchased

2540
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,360
by Malta Service Center. So, three and

2541
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,800
four. Are those up for Are they being

2542
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,560
looked at right now? Are they I'm

2543
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,880
marketing those right now or where are

2544
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,400
they?

2545
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,440
» Next presentation.

2546
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:04,880
» Oh, [laughter]

2547
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:06,679
all right. Well, that That's okay. Okay.

2548
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:09,119
You know, I was sitting just

2549
01:41:06,679 --> 01:41:11,119
[clears throat] as a a side. I sat at

2550
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:13,600
McDonald's a couple days ago in the

2551
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:16,560
parking lot watching on purpose so I

2552
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:18,719
could watch light rail. Um I I got on

2553
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:20,719
light rail previously to go into Seattle

2554
01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:23,199
and back to see how it would work.

2555
01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:25,040
» Um but you know, I can see where people

2556
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:27,840
park in the garage and take light rail

2557
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:30,800
to go to work wherever they're going and

2558
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,719
to come back. But why on earth would

2559
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:35,440
mean, you know, when they get back to

2560
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:37,920
Federal Way, there's nothing there. And

2561
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:40,800
you have to walk to something. Yeah.

2562
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:45,040
» Would be a long walk just to get coffee.

2563
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:50,560
» We're um Yes. And and one of the things

2564
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:54,880
when we um uh when we we hired Hartland

2565
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:56,880
um in 23 to look at our code. And you

2566
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:59,679
know, part of it was, are there barriers

2567
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:02,159
in our code to keep developers from

2568
01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:04,480
coming to Federal Way? And one of the

2569
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:07,040
things that they commented on was that

2570
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:09,760
the requirement in code for so much

2571
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,119
ground floor retail just isn't going to

2572
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,960
work right now because there's not

2573
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:14,800
enough people um and there's not enough

2574
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:17,119
stuff. There's no reason to be walking

2575
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,719
kind of in our downtown. And so we

2576
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:24,400
dialed it way back. But the idea is once

2577
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:27,440
we get some of these underdeveloped lots

2578
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:30,480
built um and the population density

2579
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:33,119
changes um that will help our businesses

2580
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:34,880
as well. But there there will then be I

2581
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:36,480
think places you can walk to and would

2582
01:42:34,880 --> 01:42:39,440
want to walk to in our downtown.

2583
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:42,080
» Okay. So, but right now should we be um

2584
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:44,159
negotiating with sound transit on lot

2585
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,880
four for example because that's where we

2586
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:48,206
wanted to

2587
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:50,159
» Next presentation.

2588
01:42:48,206 --> 01:42:51,760
» [laughter]

2589
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,239
» Okay. Thank you, Jack.

2590
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,320
» All right.

2591
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:57,440
» Yeah. Uh

2592
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,119
» Yeah, Keith, you mentioned that u with

2593
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:01,760
market rates h housing, you know,

2594
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:03,119
there's uh you know, that's there's no

2595
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,719
comps at all.

2596
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:10,080
» Um just going through um down to

2597
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:11,840
Palopidian through uh Edgewood, there's

2598
01:43:10,080 --> 01:43:14,480
a lot of new apartments there. Are those

2599
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,480
market rate or are they low income?

2600
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:17,840
» I don't have an answer for you on that.

2601
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:20,000
I can find out but I don't

2602
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,600
» Because I mean that's basically you know

2603
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:24,231
you know Edgewood let's just call it a

2604
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:26,251
suburb a better way you know and

2605
01:43:24,231 --> 01:43:26,251
[laughter]

2606
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:30,000
you know let let's find out on that

2607
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:33,119
because there's a tremendous amount of

2608
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,920
of new seemingly quite nice apartments

2609
01:43:33,119 --> 01:43:34,239
in Edgewood.

2610
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:35,920
» Okay.

2611
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:39,040
» And if they're market rate they may that

2612
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:42,040
may be a comp that we can uh we can

2613
01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,040
show.

2614
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,360
» Good question and there's been a lot of

2615
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:48,000
it. Um, Martin,

2616
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:51,280
» I was going to say, if my memory serves

2617
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:54,239
me correct, uh, Edgewood has been really

2618
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:56,080
really focused on housing. Um, and I

2619
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:58,080
know that that

2620
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,600
um I know there's various perspectives

2621
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:02,960
from from those residents having talked

2622
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:07,040
to them before um uh because it just

2623
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:11,199
happened so fast um and whatnot. So, um,

2624
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:12,560
can you, um, boy, Keith, thank you for

2625
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:15,679
thank you for all that you've been doing

2626
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:17,520
for for these sets of, uh,

2627
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:20,000
presentations. I know you're doing a

2628
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:21,440
lot. Uh, and and of course our the rest

2629
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,480
of our staff, they're doing a lot as

2630
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:26,000
well. Um did you if you can just kind of

2631
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:26,960
go back and repeat something you said

2632
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:31,520
something that kind of caught my

2633
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:33,840
attention which is um something about uh

2634
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:36,960
mixeduse development

2635
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:39,040
stores first level uh first floor

2636
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,400
ground. Can you just repeat that and

2637
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:43,920
kind of expand on that a little bit?

2638
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:47,440
» Sure. So um so what we expect in our

2639
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:49,920
downtown is what what most people call

2640
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:53,119
mixed use. And what that means is

2641
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,400
generally um and so I'm gonna I'm gonna

2642
01:44:53,119 --> 01:44:55,679
try not to get into the weeds because

2643
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:59,679
the mayor will throw something at me,

2644
01:44:55,679 --> 01:45:01,360
but there's basically um three types of

2645
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:04,320
construction and they each have a

2646
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,760
different cost per square foot to build.

2647
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,520
Um the cheapest is all construction and

2648
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:11,760
so people talk about three-story woody

2649
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:14,960
walkup apartments as the cheapest kind

2650
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:19,920
of uh construction to build. um you can

2651
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:21,679
build up to five floors of wood and you

2652
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,760
can't go taller than that because what

2653
01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:25,600
happens is the wood starts to kind of

2654
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,159
shrink over time and the siding all

2655
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,239
falls off. So basically there's a

2656
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:32,639
there's a there's a cap and that hits

2657
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:35,040
our second type of construction which is

2658
01:45:32,639 --> 01:45:37,520
called five over one 5 over2 and what

2659
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:40,159
that is is a developer will build one

2660
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:41,840
floor of a concrete podium or two floors

2661
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:45,920
potentially and then put the five

2662
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:48,560
stories of stick on top of it. um that

2663
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:51,600
price per construction square footage is

2664
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:54,320
higher than the all wood. And then the

2665
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:57,119
most expensive is steel. And so if you

2666
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:58,960
go beyond that kind of five over two, if

2667
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:00,880
you want to do a 10-story building or a

2668
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,800
15story building, it is going to be all

2669
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,040
steel construction and that is the most

2670
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:07,360
expensive. All right. So what happens is

2671
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,679
when developer chooses how much because

2672
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:11,760
right now our zoning in our downtown has

2673
01:46:09,679 --> 01:46:14,400
no maximum building height. Build as

2674
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:18,960
tall as you want. um what is limiting

2675
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:21,440
them is um is how much they think they

2676
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:24,239
can rent space for whether it's whether

2677
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:25,840
it's housing or office, right? And so

2678
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:28,639
I'm not going to build the most

2679
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:31,440
expensive type of building if I can't

2680
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:33,920
get those rents to pay me back for that

2681
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:35,600
construction cost. And that's the comps

2682
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,679
that we're missing. And that's the

2683
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,920
that's the missing piece for us right

2684
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:42,400
now is to get some of those market

2685
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,480
comps. The most complicated building

2686
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:49,360
that's been recently constructed in

2687
01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:52,719
Federal Way is um at First and 348. Um

2688
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:55,199
the True Vet apartment project and they

2689
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:58,000
cheated. So there's there's an expensive

2690
01:46:55,199 --> 01:47:00,560
building on the corner. Um they built a

2691
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:02,400
50 over1 at the corner, but the rest of

2692
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,600
the project back behind it is threetory

2693
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:07,679
Woody walkups. So they they normalize

2694
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:10,080
their per square foot cost over the

2695
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:13,360
entire project, which would allow them

2696
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:15,600
to then get lower rents and pay for that

2697
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:18,000
more expensive building at the corner.

2698
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:21,600
» So So it's it's getting us closer. We

2699
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:25,040
keep inching closer to getting a inc,

2700
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:26,000
but we still don't have one. But um yes,

2701
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,280
we'll talk about that a little bit more

2702
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,199
in the next presentation.

2703
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:31,440
» Okay. And my last question really is,

2704
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:34,639
can you go I believe there's something

2705
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:35,520
more to this if if my memory serves me

2706
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:38,960
right in terms of one of the

2707
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:41,520
conversations I've had, but um why is it

2708
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:43,920
that we are at zero

2709
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:45,119
uh dollars with the no school with the

2710
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:45,679
school impact fee?

2711
01:47:45,119 --> 01:47:46,320
» Why?

2712
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:51,119
» Why?

2713
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:53,119
» Um because for two reasons. One is um

2714
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:56,239
our expectation that most of the housing

2715
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:58,080
in our downtown will be smaller and not

2716
01:47:56,239 --> 01:48:00,719
generate as many kids. And then the

2717
01:47:58,080 --> 01:48:04,000
second is uh the school district right

2718
01:48:00,719 --> 01:48:06,880
now is in a situation where they don't

2719
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:08,639
need additional capital resources that

2720
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:09,920
they could then charge developers to

2721
01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:10,320
help pay for.

2722
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,480
» Got it.

2723
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,199
» So it's it's a it's a two-sided coin.

2724
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:15,119
» Got it.

2725
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:17,280
» It had been for about 10 years at about

2726
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:18,960
$22,000 per unit.

2727
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,960
» Okay. So, it's favorable for the

2728
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:23,600
developers, quite frankly.

2729
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,920
» Absolutely. I mean, if I'm if I'm trying

2730
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:28,800
to figure out between Auburn and Federal

2731
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:32,639
Way and I've got to pay an $8,000 per

2732
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:34,960
unit cost in Auburn, um I'm going to

2733
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:37,040
think twice about Federal Way because I

2734
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:38,000
can make up that $8,000 in a lot of

2735
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,880
different ways.

2736
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:42,800
» And you said that expires in 10 years.

2737
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:45,040
» I I'm going to check in the city code.

2738
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,920
» Exactly. [laughter] 10 10 years from

2739
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,840
three years ago.

2740
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,960
» Yeah. But we could we

2741
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:51,760
» Can extend it. I mean, that's one of

2742
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,600
those things where the the the so the

2743
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,280
way that the statute reads in terms of

2744
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:58,000
school impact fees and that's the state

2745
01:48:55,280 --> 01:49:00,880
statute is the school district tells us

2746
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:02,960
what they want us to levy to developers

2747
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:05,360
and then the the council ultimately gets

2748
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:07,520
to decide either I'm going to do what

2749
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:09,440
the school has asked I'm going to do or

2750
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:11,199
I could do something different and it's

2751
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:12,080
you guys have the I have the policy

2752
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:13,440
direction to do that.

2753
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:16,159
» So this is kind of an ignorant question

2754
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:17,040
for me. So if you collected school

2755
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,159
impact fees,

2756
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,560
» Yes,

2757
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:23,040
» That comes to the city, correct?

2758
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:26,239
» We we wheel it through. So we collect

2759
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,760
it. We're the collectes. Um but then we

2760
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:28,400
basically give it straight to the

2761
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,280
district,

2762
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,800
» To the school district.

2763
01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:33,119
» Yeah. There's no city. We don't get to

2764
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:36,239
we we do charge a small administrative

2765
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:37,600
fee to cover staff time to collect those

2766
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:39,199
fees.

2767
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,760
» Interesting. Okay. Thank you.

2768
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,280
» Yes.

2769
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,159
» All right. Let's go to the next. Oh, I'm

2770
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,000
sorry, Jack.

2771
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:47,520
» Oh.

2772
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:50,880
Okay, let's do the next presentation.

2773
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:52,960
» Do I just keep going forward, Thomas?

2774
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:54,560
» And this is TC3, public market and

2775
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:57,280
public uh parking garage.

2776
01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:00,400
» Okay. Um

2777
01:49:57,280 --> 01:50:02,400
so, um and these are three very distinct

2778
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:04,159
things, but I'll kind of tether them

2779
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:06,800
together as best I can. So, for those of

2780
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:09,760
you who don't know why we call it TC3,

2781
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:12,639
um there were initially town center one,

2782
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:14,639
two, three, and four. Uh, and this

2783
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:17,040
lovely historic graphic I found on the

2784
01:50:14,639 --> 01:50:20,000
web, so I thought I'd show it to you all

2785
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:22,080
because I love it. Um, TC1 was the pack.

2786
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:26,560
Um, that's where the one is on your map.

2787
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:28,320
Uh, TC2 was Townscore Park. TC3 is the

2788
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:31,440
old Target building, and we'll talk

2789
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:34,560
about that in a second. And then TC4

2790
01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:36,639
um was originally supposed to be a TOD

2791
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:39,679
project, transit oriented development,

2792
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:43,119
but ultimately um we sold it to Sound

2793
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:46,800
Transit to build the additional parking

2794
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:49,199
um in the parking garage. So it is now

2795
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:52,880
basically a scabbed on additional

2796
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:55,440
parking um capacity for um for Sound

2797
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:58,880
Transit. Um and we can talk about that

2798
01:50:55,440 --> 01:51:04,159
further if you guys are interested. Um

2799
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:06,960
so TC3 um so this is the um plan um for

2800
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:10,719
TC3. Um you can see the pack is in the

2801
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:14,159
lower left and basically there's four

2802
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:18,400
building sites with about an acre of a

2803
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:21,360
civic plaza in between. Um the idea is

2804
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:26,480
that there could be up to 1,600

2805
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:28,800
um housing units uh which could include

2806
01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:31,040
apartments, town houses, condominiums,

2807
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:34,239
retail up to 50,000 square feet, office

2808
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:37,679
up to 175,000 square feet, entertainment

2809
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:40,080
up to 170,000 square feet, lodging. Um

2810
01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:42,159
because at the time we were doing this,

2811
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,840
um our economic development director at

2812
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:46,960
the time was interested in another

2813
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:48,960
hotel. So, this could be a hotel. Um,

2814
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:53,599
and that's why the northwest corner

2815
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:57,679
shows up as blue. Um, the development

2816
01:51:53,599 --> 01:52:00,800
agreement was executed in 24. Um, and we

2817
01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:03,199
are still waiting for the developer. Uh,

2818
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:04,880
Meredith and I had a conversation with

2819
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:07,599
them. Oh, Brian was on the line as well.

2820
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:10,000
Sorry, Brian. Um, we had a conversation

2821
01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:14,880
with them this week to see where they're

2822
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:17,360
at. Um, they basically are are are kind

2823
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:20,719
of turning over every stone looking for

2824
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:23,760
investors. Um and you know what they've

2825
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:26,000
said is basically um funding for market

2826
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:28,560
rate multif family right now is really

2827
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:30,000
hard to find and so finding investors

2828
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:33,760
they've looked east coast they've looked

2829
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:38,239
in Canada um they still think that this

2830
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:41,360
project is really great and um but until

2831
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:44,080
they actually have investors um they're

2832
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:46,000
not going to start. Um, part of this

2833
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:48,480
obviously includes them buying the

2834
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:50,320
property from us. Um, and all that

2835
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:52,560
triggers, you know, their first phase

2836
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:56,400
triggers us working on the design of the

2837
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:58,719
plaza and and the revenue for purchasing

2838
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:00,239
the land also goes to pay for the plaza.

2839
01:52:58,719 --> 01:53:03,840
So, all of that is wrapped into the

2840
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:07,040
development agreement. Um, they need to

2841
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:10,320
apply for a building permit by January 1

2842
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:13,360
of 27. I have to keep remembering what

2843
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:17,360
year we're in. um and or they're

2844
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:20,880
technically in default. And so um we

2845
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:22,719
will see how this year unfolds. Um and

2846
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:24,480
my guess is we might be having a

2847
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:27,800
conversation about that sometime later

2848
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:27,800
this year.

2849
01:53:28,159 --> 01:53:33,760
Um next is public market. And uh as

2850
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:36,320
we've been talking about a public market

2851
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:38,080
for years, I don't think there's any

2852
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:40,800
debate about whether or not we think a

2853
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:43,280
public market would be um great for

2854
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:46,880
Federal Way in terms of bringing in a

2855
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:49,199
different type of retail experience. Um

2856
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:50,960
I think what I want to focus on today as

2857
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:53,920
it relates to the public market is

2858
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,520
place. Um and that is where will the

2859
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,599
market be located and how will it be

2860
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:59,679
funded? There's been a lot of

2861
01:53:57,599 --> 01:54:03,679
conversations over the past few years

2862
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:05,920
about that. Um, and that leads us right

2863
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:10,159
now to

2864
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:12,320
um, parcel four of Sound Transit. So,

2865
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:14,159
parcels one and two for those of you who

2866
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:16,719
don't know um that was mentioned

2867
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:19,440
earlier. So, that is shelter resources

2868
01:54:16,719 --> 01:54:22,400
and MSSE that are the preferred

2869
01:54:19,440 --> 01:54:24,960
builders. I had a meeting with them this

2870
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:26,719
week as well. Um, and they are hoping to

2871
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:28,960
get permits in this year, which

2872
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:30,480
surprised the heck out of me. Um,

2873
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,159
because usually it takes a while to get

2874
01:54:30,480 --> 01:54:34,239
a funding stack put together, but

2875
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:38,480
apparently they think they can get that

2876
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:41,920
done this year. So, um, so we could see

2877
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:43,840
permits for P1, P2 this year, which

2878
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:47,440
might be mean they're under construction

2879
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:49,520
next year, which is fast. Um, parcel

2880
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:52,880
three um, is the one with the

2881
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:56,159
contamination from the gas station. So,

2882
01:54:52,880 --> 01:55:01,199
it is its own thing. And because it's so

2883
01:54:56,159 --> 01:55:03,440
small and and having seen the um uh the

2884
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:05,360
site plan for parcels one, parcel two,

2885
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:08,320
really it's a building over the entire

2886
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:11,520
parcel. Um and so there's really not a

2887
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:14,159
lot of kind of options for how you lay

2888
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:16,800
that out or ultimately what it is. um

2889
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:19,360
it'll end up being, you know, probably a

2890
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:21,760
five over one uh type of a mixeduse

2891
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:24,320
building over the entire property. And

2892
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:26,880
that leaves us with parcel 4. And for

2893
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:29,360
those of you who were here a year ago,

2894
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:34,639
um there was a conversation about parcel

2895
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:37,040
4 and how Sound Transit will ultimately

2896
01:55:34,639 --> 01:55:40,800
plan for that property.

2897
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:42,719
And at the time, um, there was a

2898
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:45,760
conversation about maybe the city

2899
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:48,560
putting some money into the process to

2900
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:51,360
help us get from the living room into

2901
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:55,040
the kitchen in terms of actually

2902
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:57,679
affecting the outcome of the RFP, uh,

2903
01:55:55,040 --> 01:56:00,159
the request for proposals for parcel 4.

2904
01:55:57,679 --> 01:56:03,760
Um, I also met with Sound Transit this

2905
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:07,040
week. It was a busy week. Um, and you

2906
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:09,520
know, I think what they are willing to

2907
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:11,280
do, um, and there's a question for the

2908
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:14,800
council where there's still support for

2909
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:18,400
putting we had identified $75,000 and

2910
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:20,159
and I'm not sure that that that is a

2911
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:24,239
good use of city funds, but we can talk

2912
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:26,800
about that into um us having an active

2913
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:31,599
role in designing parcel for. What I

2914
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:35,599
what I asked of Sound Transit was could

2915
01:56:31,599 --> 01:56:38,800
you as part of your RFP process

2916
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:41,520
ask for the consultants that you're

2917
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:43,679
working with put together an

2918
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:48,080
understanding that the ground floor of

2919
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:50,960
that P4 mixeduse building is a

2920
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:52,639
flexible indooroutdoor space that could

2921
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:56,000
be used for something like a public

2922
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:57,679
market. And because we need to get off

2923
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,119
High Center and I felt like I feel like

2924
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:02,080
we've been on High Center for a long

2925
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:05,280
time. And if that space were to be

2926
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:07,920
condominiumized and sold to the city,

2927
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:09,840
how much would that be? Because I think

2928
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:13,440
we need to know a number. I need to know

2929
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:16,320
a number. So that is I think where at

2930
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:18,800
least we're pointed um right now. If you

2931
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:20,960
all think that's a good idea, then I can

2932
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:23,520
give a green light to Sound Transit and

2933
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:25,760
we can kind of start to move forward in

2934
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,920
putting together the framework a little

2935
01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:30,719
bit more in detail. But the idea would

2936
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:33,199
be then most likely the building is at

2937
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:36,560
the kind of the upper twothirds of that

2938
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:38,400
shape. Um, with the ground floor, they

2939
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:41,199
would have maybe big garage doors or

2940
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:43,520
something that open up out onto a plaza

2941
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:45,040
at the south end of parcel 4. And I

2942
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,560
think that's the way that parcel really

2943
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,960
wants to work because then you'll have

2944
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:52,480
this big public plaza right next to the

2945
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:54,880
train station and that'll allow for um

2946
01:57:52,480 --> 01:58:01,040
kind of gatherings and other things in

2947
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:02,239
addition to uh the public market space.

2948
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:04,080
All right. And the last thing I'm

2949
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:09,679
talking about is parking for the pack.

2950
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:13,520
Um so uh the code requires 370 parking

2951
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:15,920
spaces for the pack. Um, and right now,

2952
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:20,080
and I apologize this is small. Right

2953
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:24,480
now, we have 164 parking spaces adjacent

2954
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:27,840
to the pack. Um, there's another 96 over

2955
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:30,159
farther east on the north end of TC3.

2956
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:33,599
Um, we have an agreement with Walmart

2957
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:36,159
for 93 spaces on that lot that's

2958
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:40,320
actually owned by Walmart. Um, and then

2959
01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:44,639
there's 30 down at Town Square Park. Um,

2960
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:47,920
the problem with all of this is, um,

2961
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:49,679
that when Trent develops TC3, and that

2962
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:53,760
goes back to that slide I showed you

2963
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:58,719
guys earlier, um, those parking spaces,

2964
01:58:53,760 --> 01:59:02,000
the 164 and the 96 go away, um, with

2965
01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:04,560
Walmart selling um,

2966
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:08,400
their property,

2967
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:10,400
um, that, um,

2968
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:13,280
those 93.

2969
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:15,040
We have to talk about that with law. In

2970
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:19,679
terms of the agreement we have with

2971
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:22,159
Walmart, it's a little bit um uh sketchy

2972
01:59:19,679 --> 01:59:24,639
for me in terms of me understanding

2973
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:29,679
whether that agreement survives the land

2974
01:59:24,639 --> 01:59:31,280
sales. So, long and short of it is um we

2975
01:59:29,679 --> 01:59:33,840
have a parking problem for the pack at

2976
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:35,599
some point. We kind of do now. I mean,

2977
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:38,159
at State of the City, I'm probably

2978
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:40,239
parking at Hillside Plaza. Um there will

2979
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:42,719
not be enough parking spaces when when

2980
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:46,800
that venue is full. Um which it will be

2981
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:48,800
for state of the city. Um uh you park an

2982
01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,080
offsite and frankly nobody's parking at

2983
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:52,400
Town Square Park and walking to the

2984
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:54,159
pack. I mean as much as I'd like to say,

2985
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:55,840
oh that's great. This is this is a

2986
01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:58,719
planning exercise. Okay, this is how we

2987
01:59:55,840 --> 02:00:00,400
meet code. But the reality is is is

2988
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:03,520
nobody's parking there and walking up

2989
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:06,320
the steps to the pack.

2990
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:08,480
So,

2991
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:12,719
» Um, so let's talk about

2992
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:15,679
» What we can do. And, um, what I want to,

2993
02:00:12,719 --> 02:00:17,280
so I've been I've been an advocate for a

2994
02:00:15,679 --> 02:00:19,599
long time about buying the Korean

2995
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:21,040
Palace. And the Korean Palace, if I had

2996
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:22,880
a laser pointer, does it have a laser on

2997
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,560
it?

2998
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:27,280
» Okay, I'm not gonna try it. Probably

2999
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:30,080
blind Melissa. Um, [laughter]

3000
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:33,280
so it's the it's the um it's the

3001
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:36,639
building immediately west of the pack um

3002
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:40,960
at the northwest corner of 316th in PBR.

3003
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:43,360
Look at that. Um so I've and and because

3004
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:45,760
there's a a great topographic

3005
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:47,679
relationship like if you built a parking

3006
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:49,920
garage there you could put a bridge over

3007
02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:52,400
PBR and it would land right at the plaza

3008
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:54,880
of the pack. It would be absolutely

3009
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:57,360
fantastic. But when you look at the cost

3010
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:59,840
of a parking garage,

3011
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:02,400
um, and so going back to our price per

3012
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:04,159
acre in Federal Way of retail downtown

3013
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:06,239
space, you know, we're going to pay

3014
02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:08,800
probably $5 million to buy the Korean

3015
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:10,800
Palace and the lot to the north of it.

3016
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:13,119
It's actually two parcels and it's about

3017
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:15,760
an acre, so it's about a $5 million

3018
02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:19,280
purchase, let's say, give or take. Um,

3019
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:20,800
and then building parking in a garage

3020
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:22,400
configuration,

3021
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:26,480
give or take, is going to be around

3022
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:29,679
$45,000 a stall. So, that's about an $18

3023
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:33,599
million venture. Um, Meredith and I have

3024
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:36,400
been kicking around um

3025
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:38,239
numbers. It hasn't been listed yet. So,

3026
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,920
Walmart is probably somewhere around $20

3027
02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:44,159
million.

3028
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:46,080
So, what I would tell you is Walmart

3029
02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:49,760
would solve the parking problem for the

3030
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:52,400
pack. If we bought Walmart,

3031
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:54,400
um it could also potentially provide a

3032
02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:57,520
location for a public market as an

3033
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:59,679
interim use until we're ready to turn

3034
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:03,040
that building into the new city hall.

3035
02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:06,800
Sorry, mayor. Um at some point, so

3036
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:10,320
that's 140,000 square foot building. Um,

3037
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:12,719
we're in 85,000 square ft now. Um, at

3038
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:14,800
some point when we outgrow city hall,

3039
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:19,440
and I think Andy would say we've already

3040
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:21,760
outgrown it for PD, um, this is this is

3041
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:23,760
a this is in the right location for our

3042
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:26,880
community. You can get to city hall if

3043
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:31,360
it's here because you don't need a car.

3044
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:34,239
Um, tr it's transit friendly. Um, so but

3045
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:37,119
so anyway, so I'm sitting here saying

3046
02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:41,360
you probably have a $20 million

3047
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:44,880
uh cost in your horizon and uh Walmart's

3048
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:47,040
that asset is going to be available for

3049
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:49,440
a short period of time and then it's

3050
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:51,280
going to be gone uh and then it will go

3051
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:52,639
away. Uh right now somebody's thinking

3052
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:54,320
about doing something with the home and

3053
02:02:52,639 --> 02:02:56,159
home. So all that although that seems

3054
02:02:54,320 --> 02:02:57,360
like a potential future asset, I think

3055
02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:59,199
somebody's trying to rework that

3056
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:01,440
building right now.

3057
02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:03,840
Uh, so that that building south of

3058
02:03:01,440 --> 02:03:05,599
Walmart, um, it's right now it's got the

3059
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:07,119
Mongolian Grill on the south side and

3060
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:09,840
there's like a dentist office in it and

3061
02:03:07,119 --> 02:03:11,199
the rest of it's empty.

3062
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:14,080
» And I'm stopping talking right now

3063
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:16,480
because I probably said way too much.

3064
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:18,639
» Okay. Um, Susan

3065
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:22,080
» In intriguing. I hadn't thought of

3066
02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:23,599
Walmart in that way, but that's actually

3067
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:26,159
one of my questions I wrote down was how

3068
02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:29,119
much is Walmart? So, um,

3069
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:31,119
» We're guessing around 20. So TC3, thank

3070
02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:34,719
you for putting it on the agenda, I had

3071
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:38,719
asked that it'd be on the agenda.

3072
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:41,920
Um, when we did the committee for uh

3073
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:45,199
looking at downtown at that area, Tret

3074
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:48,159
was my favorite and I still have their

3075
02:03:45,199 --> 02:03:51,520
stuff on my desk. I I I like what they

3076
02:03:48,159 --> 02:03:54,480
had offered and um and I still want them

3077
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:58,239
to develop it, but I think we need to be

3078
02:03:54,480 --> 02:04:00,719
prepared with a new appraisal um to move

3079
02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:03,119
forward if they can't come up with um

3080
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:04,800
what they need to come up with. We're

3081
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:07,679
going to have to go out for another

3082
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:11,679
interf loan to pay the 4.8 million that

3083
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:15,119
we owe on it. Um,

3084
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:17,679
it it's it's a bad position to be in,

3085
02:04:15,119 --> 02:04:21,599
but I I don't want to wait. I I think we

3086
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:23,520
need to be ready to move on in January

3087
02:04:21,599 --> 02:04:26,719
» With the new appraisal and ready to get

3088
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:29,119
it back out on the market if we have to.

3089
02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:31,920
» And and I appreciate that. And and I

3090
02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:34,560
know that we had hoped that by now they

3091
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:39,199
would already have uh shovels in dirt

3092
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:41,679
and be working on their first phase. and

3093
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:44,320
um you know between

3094
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:46,480
tariffs and like there's been a lot of

3095
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:49,840
things going on since we executed this

3096
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:53,360
development agreement but you know if if

3097
02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:57,199
you remember um you know there's a lot

3098
02:04:53,360 --> 02:05:00,560
in this plan that we really liked you

3099
02:04:57,199 --> 02:05:03,040
know um there's uh for those of you who

3100
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:05,360
didn't get to touch this there's also on

3101
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:07,679
the 23rd Avenue side which is the back

3102
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:11,360
side of the buildings over on the right

3103
02:05:07,679 --> 02:05:13,520
there's is for sale basically um

3104
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:15,599
condominiums or town houses that are

3105
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:18,159
going to have front porches to activate

3106
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:21,040
23rd Avenue. And so even though this is

3107
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:22,560
multif family, there's a single family

3108
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:26,239
component to it, which I think the

3109
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:28,239
council really loved. Um but I hear you

3110
02:05:26,239 --> 02:05:30,639
and I know that that'll be a hard

3111
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:33,520
conversation and we will probably need

3112
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:35,440
to have it sometime around June or July.

3113
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:39,360
» Well, I hope they're successful.

3114
02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:42,400
» Yeah. But we as a city, we can't wait.

3115
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:44,320
We have to be ready to go if if they're

3116
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:46,000
not going to be able to to do what they

3117
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:47,199
said.

3118
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:48,400
» So, thank you.

3119
02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:50,000
» Would you remind everybody what the

3120
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,920
provisions of the contract are again?

3121
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:54,639
When when would they essentially

3122
02:05:51,920 --> 02:05:57,920
» They need to submit so so what so the

3123
02:05:54,639 --> 02:06:00,400
the um the Cinderella moment is January

3124
02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:02,400
1st of 27. They need to submit their

3125
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:04,400
first building permit and pay us $10

3126
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:05,280
million for the property. And if that

3127
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,239
doesn't happen,

3128
02:06:05,280 --> 02:06:10,239
» Then they're technically in default of

3129
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:10,639
the provisions of the development

3130
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:11,840
agreement.

3131
02:06:10,639 --> 02:06:13,280
» And that's when we would have the

3132
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,239
essentially the clawback provision or

3133
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:15,760
the the ability to

3134
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:16,320
» We could terminate it at that point.

3135
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,840
» Okay.

3136
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:18,800
» But not before.

3137
02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:19,760
» Not before.

3138
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:22,480
» Right.

3139
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:25,040
» So for them to be submitting a building

3140
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:26,880
permit in less than 12 months, how long

3141
02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:30,639
does it take to get that ready to

3142
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:34,480
submit? Are they already behind? Uh,

3143
02:06:30,639 --> 02:06:37,040
arguably they might be already um late

3144
02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:38,320
to the game.

3145
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:40,719
» Okay.

3146
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:42,639
» Okay. Uh, Jack and then Linda. Oh, and

3147
02:06:40,719 --> 02:06:44,159
then sorry. Sorry, Jack. Less and then

3148
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:48,079
Linda.

3149
02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:49,920
» Uh, I guess my first uh comment is as I

3150
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:52,159
I highly suspect if we would have given

3151
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:55,040
to anybody other than Kent one, they'd

3152
02:06:52,159 --> 02:06:58,800
probably be in the identical situation

3153
02:06:55,040 --> 02:07:01,520
as well is is my suspicion. And so I I

3154
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:04,239
think that with with with Kent or Trent,

3155
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:05,840
excuse me, it's a Kent Trent line, uh

3156
02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:09,840
that

3157
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:12,480
uh basically we'll have the option of of

3158
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:14,400
uh taking it back, starting over again,

3159
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:16,960
or extending something with them,

3160
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:19,040
perhaps extending for an additional fee

3161
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:21,440
or something something along that line.

3162
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:24,639
the there I think there could absolutely

3163
02:07:21,440 --> 02:07:26,880
be a conversation about uh I don't want

3164
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:29,520
to say a penalty but you know there's

3165
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:32,239
carrying costs for us to carry that loan

3166
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:34,320
longer so you know would it be

3167
02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:37,040
reasonable for us to ask them to

3168
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:38,800
compensate us for that maybe um that's

3169
02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:41,679
something we could explore I think to

3170
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:44,320
your point if they can't find the money

3171
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:47,360
unless you find a self-funded

3172
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:48,800
multifamily developer um who will want

3173
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:52,159
to do something completely different

3174
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:54,079
than this um we'll be back. We we will

3175
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:56,079
just have changed partners that can

3176
02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:57,440
execute. So I'm not sure that puts us in

3177
02:07:56,079 --> 02:07:59,360
in a better place, but that's a

3178
02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:01,520
conversation we'll need to have.

3179
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:04,960
» Yeah. And then also going back to our

3180
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:08,880
previous discussion on on uh on the the

3181
02:08:04,960 --> 02:08:13,920
TOD the the uh some transit property on

3182
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:14,320
on lots one and two the MSC and and uh

3183
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:15,040
is

3184
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:17,199
» Shelter resources

3185
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:22,079
» And shelter resources

3186
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:24,719
» Is uh is that going to be 100%

3187
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:27,520
uh residential multif family or is there

3188
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:30,480
a possib possibility of some first floor

3189
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:34,079
uh retail on that? There is first floor

3190
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:40,400
um retail on that. Um we talked about

3191
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:42,800
that a little bit. Um so so uh MSC and

3192
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:46,800
uh shelter resources also partnered for

3193
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:50,719
Roondo Heights. Um so the food bank um

3194
02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:52,800
is a partnership that they had. um they

3195
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:56,159
um you know the ground floor right now

3196
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:59,040
what the code says is there needs to be

3197
02:08:56,159 --> 02:09:01,199
ground floor entertainment or retail at

3198
02:08:59,040 --> 02:09:04,719
basically at street intersections. So if

3199
02:09:01,199 --> 02:09:06,880
you look at basically the corners um and

3200
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:10,000
then a certain portion of that ground

3201
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:11,440
floor. So they have um they want to talk

3202
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:13,920
about that further. They're developing

3203
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:16,239
their plans now but there will be some

3204
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:18,400
activation at the ground floor of

3205
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:21,199
non-residential units

3206
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:25,840
» And Has there been any discussion of

3207
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:27,280
what type of uh of um

3208
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:31,760
for for the residents that they would

3209
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:35,239
rent to any uh percentage of particular

3210
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:35,239
percentage of

3211
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:43,440
» So shelter resources similar to Roondo

3212
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:46,320
Heights they do their projects are at

3213
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:47,520
50%.

3214
02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,719
» All right. Thank you.

3215
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:49,920
» All right.

3216
02:09:48,719 --> 02:09:51,199
Keith

3217
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:53,920
» Le.

3218
02:09:51,199 --> 02:09:56,320
» Yeah.

3219
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:58,000
» Yeah. Keith, thank you uh so much for

3220
02:09:56,320 --> 02:10:03,440
your presentation.

3221
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:05,920
» Um you had mentioned that MSC uh had an

3222
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:09,599
extremely successful

3223
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:13,360
uh pathway to get permitted for their uh

3224
02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:16,960
development site. uh what's your best

3225
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:20,239
analysis on how that happened and can we

3226
02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:21,760
replicate that for other projects to

3227
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:25,119
move them forward?

3228
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:26,719
» So they picked um

3229
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:29,280
um maybe one of the reasons why they

3230
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:31,199
were successful in their plan for

3231
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:33,040
parcels one and two with Sound Transit

3232
02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:36,719
is they picked the same architect we use

3233
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:38,960
for TC3. So, first off, we hired an

3234
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:43,040
architectural firm to do the plan for

3235
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:45,520
the city for the RFP. Um, then Trent

3236
02:10:43,040 --> 02:10:48,079
hired that same firm. So, their plans

3237
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,920
looked a lot like our plans and uh they

3238
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:51,920
evolved it a little bit, made it a

3239
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:54,400
little bit their own and better. And

3240
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:56,400
then, um, MSSE and Shelter Resources

3241
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:58,560
chose to use the same architect. So they

3242
02:10:56,400 --> 02:11:01,520
were very familiar with the area, very

3243
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:03,599
familiar with the city's code and and

3244
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:05,920
how to kind So they got they got a leg

3245
02:11:03,599 --> 02:11:07,360
up because they had familiarity and

3246
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:09,199
that's one of the things I didn't really

3247
02:11:07,360 --> 02:11:12,239
talk about. We don't have a family

3248
02:11:09,199 --> 02:11:13,520
developer in federal way that can just

3249
02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:16,639
run through the cycle over and over

3250
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:18,880
again. But getting repeat builders that

3251
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:23,280
know the system, know how to work it.

3252
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:25,599
That is a a way to get a leg up um is

3253
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:29,920
just having familiarity and that people

3254
02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:32,480
contact. Um I think um I like to run my

3255
02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:34,800
department that way anyway. Um but a lot

3256
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:37,920
of developers don't take advantage of

3257
02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:39,679
that kind of opportunity to spend time

3258
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:42,320
and really get that familiarity with

3259
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:44,560
city staff. So but that's something I

3260
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:46,719
hope we work on. uh moving forward.

3261
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:49,440
We'll see.

3262
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:51,040
» Okay, Linda.

3263
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,560
» Thank you very much. Keith, would you

3264
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:53,280
repeat what we still owe on the

3265
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:55,760
property?

3266
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:57,920
» Uh there's about uh Steve would have an

3267
02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:59,760
exact figure. I think it's about 4.8.

3268
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:02,000
» Steve,

3269
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:06,079
what we owe TC3 down center three?

3270
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:07,440
» No, no, I mean on uh

3271
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:09,040
» Sorry,

3272
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:10,800
» The property by the pack.

3273
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:12,719
» Yeah,

3274
02:12:10,800 --> 02:12:14,880
» We're calling that

3275
02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:17,199
» 4.8. It's what we owe and we bonded

3276
02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:19,119
that.

3277
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:21,040
» It's an inter fun. I think we're we're

3278
02:12:19,119 --> 02:12:21,920
needing the I call a friend here at this

3279
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:24,239
point.

3280
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:24,560
» It was it was funded by an inter fund.

3281
02:12:24,239 --> 02:12:27,280
» Yeah.

3282
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:29,199
» We originally bonded it and in 2022 we

3283
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:31,280
converted it to an inter fund loan.

3284
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:33,520
» Yeah. So at some point are we going to

3285
02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:34,880
have to then go out for bonds on it if

3286
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:36,639
we can't sell it?

3287
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:38,159
» That issue is coming to FedR on Tuesday

3288
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:40,480
night. We have an option to extend the

3289
02:12:38,159 --> 02:12:41,599
interfund loan or contemplate external

3290
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:44,960
financing.

3291
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:48,159
» Okay. Um, why is it that MSC is able to

3292
02:12:44,960 --> 02:12:51,760
find funding but we can't?

3293
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:54,480
» So, the money the money there's there's

3294
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:56,320
um there's there's a lot of money. I

3295
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:58,000
don't say a lot. There's a there's a lot

3296
02:12:56,320 --> 02:13:01,440
there's a lot of money out there for um

3297
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:03,280
affordable housing and it's Amazon, it's

3298
02:13:01,440 --> 02:13:05,119
Microsoft, it's the Balmer Foundation,

3299
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:06,960
it's the Gates Foundation. There's a lot

3300
02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:09,440
of money to build affordable housing and

3301
02:13:06,960 --> 02:13:11,760
so it's easier to get the funding stack

3302
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:13,760
put together for an affordable housing

3303
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:15,920
project than it is to get the funding

3304
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:16,639
stack put together for a market rate

3305
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,719
housing project.

3306
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:19,760
» Do we did they put earnest money down on

3307
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:20,639
the property?

3308
02:13:19,760 --> 02:13:22,239
» No.

3309
02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:23,520
» So there's no earnest money?

3310
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:26,239
» No.

3311
02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:31,599
» Okay. You know, when we were this whole

3312
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:34,560
area in 2008, we had an a a development

3313
02:13:31,599 --> 02:13:36,400
plan and same thing happened. They

3314
02:13:34,560 --> 02:13:38,480
couldn't get the funding. We went into a

3315
02:13:36,400 --> 02:13:41,119
recession and we couldn't move forward.

3316
02:13:38,480 --> 02:13:43,599
It was actually 2006 and 2008 we went

3317
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:45,040
into a recession. I don't know if you

3318
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:46,320
remember that it was going to go up,

3319
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:48,480
some of them are going to go up 10

3320
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:50,239
stories. There were four buildings.

3321
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:52,239
» Yeah, I would say nobody was ever really

3322
02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:54,480
going to build that. That was on Town

3323
02:13:52,239 --> 02:13:55,599
Square Park that as you

3324
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:57,280
» It was a developer dream.

3325
02:13:55,599 --> 02:13:58,800
» Well, that No, that's that's what I'm

3326
02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:01,199
talking about. I'm talking about the

3327
02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,880
area by the pack. I'm not talking about

3328
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:05,920
» So, you're you're telling me the only

3329
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:08,480
money we can get for that downtown is is

3330
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:11,679
grants like MSC got.

3331
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:14,719
» Uh, so I So, there's a couple things

3332
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:17,280
going on. So, for affordable housing,

3333
02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:19,679
there's there's a stack of money

3334
02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:22,560
available for that. for market rate

3335
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:25,440
housing, there's still money. It's it's

3336
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:30,079
private investors and you know what

3337
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:31,520
needs to happen is there needs to be a

3338
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:33,679
couple different things going on. One of

3339
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:36,560
the things and we're getting into a lot

3340
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:39,520
of details right now. This area is

3341
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:42,639
identified as an opportunity zone. Um

3342
02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:46,079
the existing opp and and the existing

3343
02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:48,719
opportunity zone legislation sunsets at

3344
02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:52,079
the end of this calendar year as part of

3345
02:14:48,719 --> 02:14:55,040
the big beautiful bill. President Trump

3346
02:14:52,079 --> 02:14:58,800
put into place into the permanent tax

3347
02:14:55,040 --> 02:15:01,920
code opportunity zone 2.0. So there's a

3348
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:04,880
second version. So, if I'm an investor

3349
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:09,840
and this is designated an opportunity

3350
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:13,840
zone, then I can get basically taxexempt

3351
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:16,320
investments in this area. Um, that helps

3352
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:19,119
Trent find private investors

3353
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:23,040
significantly. So, Meredith and I are

3354
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:25,679
already kind of um kind of uh making

3355
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:28,079
sure we don't drop that ball because

3356
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:30,079
that's really important. But um just

3357
02:15:28,079 --> 02:15:30,960
finding the investment money is always a

3358
02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:32,880
challenge.

3359
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:37,199
» So that's could just one more and I'm

3360
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:40,400
done. So So what do I do? I mean back in

3361
02:15:37,199 --> 02:15:43,920
2008 we had four buildings surrounding a

3362
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:44,960
a courtyard effect and that went down.

3363
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:48,480
» Yes.

3364
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:51,760
» Because they couldn't get in u investing

3365
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:53,520
uh money. So um this one same thing same

3366
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:56,960
thing's happening again. So why don't we

3367
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:59,199
just change focus and we we have no

3368
02:15:56,960 --> 02:16:01,360
retail. There's no place to

3369
02:15:59,199 --> 02:16:02,320
» Nobody nobody's building retail.

3370
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:04,400
» Nobody's building

3371
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:07,520
» Nobody's building office.

3372
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:10,800
» No housing is the best chance we have

3373
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:12,560
for development in the near future.

3374
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:14,159
» Yeah.

3375
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:16,159
If there was demand for retail, the

3376
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:18,639
account will be different than what we

3377
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:22,320
» Yes. Exactly.

3378
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:24,400
» Um when does that um that new provision

3379
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,599
from the from the big bill when does

3380
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:27,920
that go into effect?

3381
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:31,520
» Uh I believe is Merida still here? I

3382
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:34,080
believe 27, right? Yeah. So TW so

3383
02:16:31,520 --> 02:16:35,599
basically opportunity zone 1.0 sunsets

3384
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:38,719
at the end of this calendar year.

3385
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:41,679
Opportunity zone 2.0 starts immediately.

3386
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:44,000
So, so what Trent's hoping for and what

3387
02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:46,000
we're still trying to navigate is how do

3388
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:48,960
we get the application in for Federal

3389
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:51,280
Ways Opportunity Zone to be considered

3390
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:54,080
2.0 because it's a beauty contest. Now,

3391
02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:56,719
the good news is we have light rail and

3392
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:58,240
basically that census track um has a

3393
02:16:56,719 --> 02:17:00,319
significant number of people in the

3394
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:03,679
poverty level um because they're all

3395
02:17:00,319 --> 02:17:06,800
seniors on fixed incomes. Um and so we

3396
02:17:03,679 --> 02:17:09,200
we have great qualification stats um for

3397
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:10,399
us to make 2.0. now, but there's still a

3398
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:12,000
process to go through and we need to

3399
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:12,719
make sure we don't miss that train, so

3400
02:17:12,000 --> 02:17:15,200
to speak.

3401
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:17,920
» Okay. Um, as you have before I call on

3402
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:21,359
Susan, um, as you know that we're we're

3403
02:17:17,920 --> 02:17:23,519
getting a little bit we're we're uh this

3404
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:25,439
is this item is getting digging into

3405
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:27,120
other items, but because it's so

3406
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:28,399
critical, I just want to let you know

3407
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:30,960
I'm being intentional about the fact

3408
02:17:28,399 --> 02:17:33,359
that we've we were supposed to end all

3409
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:35,200
four of these at 10:15, but I think that

3410
02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:37,200
this is such an important discussion.

3411
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:39,040
And is there an agreement that we just

3412
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:41,439
keep keep going talking about this

3413
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:44,080
because this is of paramount importance?

3414
02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:45,200
Uh Susan, Lydia, and then Melissa.

3415
02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:47,359
» Lydia should go first.

3416
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:49,280
» Lydia, thank you.

3417
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:53,760
» Actually, I changed my question. So, but

3418
02:17:49,280 --> 02:17:57,120
thank you. Um with opportunity zone,

3419
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:59,760
we have to reapply for so soon we need

3420
02:17:57,120 --> 02:18:01,840
to do that number one. And then can we

3421
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:05,280
identify a different location if

3422
02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:12,000
necessary or or can we add to

3423
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:13,120
» Um uh I Yes. Um, so, so what I know, and

3424
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,120
Meredith, I don't know if you want to

3425
02:18:13,120 --> 02:18:18,080
come and grab a microphone. Um, what I

3426
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:19,679
know is that we do need to apply to the

3427
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:22,240
state. So, it's through the Department

3428
02:18:19,679 --> 02:18:25,040
of Commerce. Uh, Washington State can

3429
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:28,319
only have so many opportunity zones. Um,

3430
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:30,960
whether or not, uh, we can change the

3431
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:33,200
boundaries, um, I think it's I think

3432
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:34,800
it's tied to the census track, but, um,

3433
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:35,439
I'm going to look to you if you want to

3434
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:37,679
add.

3435
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:39,840
» Sure. Um, so it is tied to the census

3436
02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:41,920
track. However, the way that um

3437
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:45,120
opportunity zones 2.0 have been

3438
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:47,040
arranged, it is easier to do a corridor.

3439
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:49,280
So, there is the opportunity that you

3440
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:52,000
could apply for multiple census tracks

3441
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:53,599
that create a corridor. Um it is still

3442
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:55,920
each census track would still be one

3443
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:58,719
opportunity zone. So, that would need to

3444
02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,399
be the the balance of you know, do we

3445
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:02,479
feel it would be competitive enough? I

3446
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:05,679
would say that the four census tracks in

3447
02:19:02,479 --> 02:19:08,240
that area right there are all likely to

3448
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:11,200
qualify. So that is an opportunity that

3449
02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:12,800
we could discuss as we you know as the

3450
02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:14,160
department of commerce releases how

3451
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:15,840
they're going to take in applications

3452
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:19,280
for it.

3453
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:20,719
» So we we did call so we've been um we've

3454
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:22,800
been brainstorming and we did call

3455
02:19:20,719 --> 02:19:26,000
commerce to ask those questions like hey

3456
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:29,439
how do we get in the in the queue? Um we

3457
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:31,200
got a voicemail left a message. Um we're

3458
02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:34,240
still waiting to have a conversation. So

3459
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:35,840
we are we are working it as best we can.

3460
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:37,599
So, there's a chance we could lose what

3461
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:39,840
we already have also, right?

3462
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:41,920
» That is a possibility. I think we think

3463
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:44,399
we're sitting pretty good as long as

3464
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:46,719
we're not sleeping um at our desks,

3465
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:47,679
which I don't think we are. So, um we're

3466
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:50,000
going to keep our fingers crossed and

3467
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:53,200
we'll keep the council um informed as we

3468
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:55,439
move this along. It will be this year.

3469
02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:58,640
» Susan,

3470
02:19:55,439 --> 02:20:02,240
» Thank you. So the Walmart property and

3471
02:19:58,640 --> 02:20:05,760
potential there, how fast do we need to

3472
02:20:02,240 --> 02:20:09,359
have a more in-depth discussion on that

3473
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:12,479
and uh see if it's even possible?

3474
02:20:09,359 --> 02:20:14,399
» So the good news is I think um they

3475
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:16,560
haven't put a for sale sign out there

3476
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:17,760
yet. I think Meredith talked to their

3477
02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:19,439
real estate person. They're like, "Wait,

3478
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:21,280
there's not a for sale sign out there?"

3479
02:20:19,439 --> 02:20:24,960
» Um I I just need to interrupt for a

3480
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:28,000
second. Great. We have not discussed

3481
02:20:24,960 --> 02:20:28,960
finances about that. We have had I've

3482
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,479
» Well, that's what I'm asking.

3483
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:31,280
» Zero discussion about purchasing the

3484
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:34,960
Walmart.

3485
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:38,720
» That's what I'm asking because,

3486
02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:40,640
» You know, it it's an opportunity and

3487
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:43,200
» I just want to know how we move forward

3488
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:45,280
with the discussion and instead of just

3489
02:20:43,200 --> 02:20:46,080
saying it here and then no further

3490
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,240
discussion on it.

3491
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:50,960
» Yeah. I I my I I my my recommendation

3492
02:20:48,240 --> 02:20:52,560
right now is that's a $20 million per

3493
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:54,479
the community center cost $20 million

3494
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:57,600
and we're still paying for it 18 years

3495
02:20:54,479 --> 02:21:00,479
later. So I I I don't think that's

3496
02:20:57,600 --> 02:21:02,399
advisable, frankly. Um that's a

3497
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:03,920
tremendous amount of money when we're

3498
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:05,439
talking about all kinds of other

3499
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:07,760
infrastructure

3500
02:21:05,439 --> 02:21:09,840
and a park possible parking garage. So,

3501
02:21:07,760 --> 02:21:13,920
I I don't in realistically I don't think

3502
02:21:09,840 --> 02:21:16,000
a $20 million purchase uh for 75,000 to

3503
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:18,479
100,000 square ft of single family,

3504
02:21:16,000 --> 02:21:21,520
excuse me, single floor uh prior retail

3505
02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:23,760
is a is a wise choice.

3506
02:21:21,520 --> 02:21:25,600
» We need to find uh we've got some

3507
02:21:23,760 --> 02:21:26,000
issues. One of them is parking.

3508
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:27,600
» Yeah.

3509
02:21:26,000 --> 02:21:29,920
» And if we're looking at a parking garage

3510
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:32,000
that equals that amount of money, um it

3511
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,920
is something certainly worth

3512
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:35,600
» Trying to figure out how we're going to

3513
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:36,800
solve the parking and any other issues.

3514
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:38,240
» Right. what was on the agenda was

3515
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:39,840
parking, not purchase at Walmart.

3516
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:41,439
» Right. And I'm not Yeah. I just want to

3517
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:44,880
know how we're moving ahead. That's all.

3518
02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:46,560
» Right. So, I mean, you know, I I what

3519
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:48,000
we're we're talking about and what's on

3520
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:49,840
the agenda is to talk about how we're

3521
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:51,120
going to do a parking garage to

3522
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:51,840
facilitate parking,

3523
02:21:51,120 --> 02:21:54,160
» Right?

3524
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:56,000
» Not the purchase of Walmart.

3525
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:57,760
» But that but what was brought up was

3526
02:21:56,000 --> 02:21:59,280
that the parking would be the

3527
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:01,920
opportunity there at this point.

3528
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:04,000
» A parcel of it just north of where that

3529
02:22:01,920 --> 02:22:06,319
restaurant is and maybe some other

3530
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:08,240
things. But there's you've got that

3531
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:10,399
where the prior restaurant is. That's a

3532
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:13,600
$5 million purchase. That section that

3533
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:16,960
we have the contract for right now. Um

3534
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:19,280
but you know that that's a fraction of

3535
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:21,760
the cost of what it would cost to to buy

3536
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:23,520
the former Walmart.

3537
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:26,240
» We're talking about parking availability

3538
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:27,840
and space versus building.

3539
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:29,840
» And Keith talked about what it would

3540
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,120
cost to build a parking garage, which

3541
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:33,040
would be

3542
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:34,880
» As much as purchasing the Walmart and

3543
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:36,399
the property there. So that's why I'm

3544
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:38,640
trying to see how we move it forward

3545
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:40,240
with further discussion and see if it

3546
02:22:38,640 --> 02:22:40,800
was I mean we have to address the

3547
02:22:40,240 --> 02:22:41,120
parking

3548
02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:42,399
» Correct

3549
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:44,240
» That that is what

3550
02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:46,399
» This would address too right

3551
02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:48,080
» But purchasing the Walmart would be 20

3552
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:50,880
million then you tear it down which is

3553
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:53,439
another million maybe or threequarters

3554
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:54,960
of a million and then another 20 million

3555
02:22:53,439 --> 02:22:55,280
on top of that to build parking. So it's

3556
02:22:54,960 --> 02:22:57,280
a

3557
02:22:55,280 --> 02:22:57,520
» Well it's planning for the future,

3558
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,680
» Right?

3559
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:02,560
» It's not doing it tomorrow. It's pl it's

3560
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:03,200
having the availability to plan for the

3561
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:03,760
future.

3562
02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:06,000
» Right.

3563
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:07,760
» Well, my my only point is is that we I

3564
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:09,760
we want to stay what was put on the

3565
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:12,399
agenda was discussion of parking.

3566
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:14,560
Purchasing the Walmart doesn't pursue

3567
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:16,720
that agenda

3568
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:19,200
» Except that he talked about the parking

3569
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:21,439
at the Walmart at Right. Yeah.

3570
02:23:19,200 --> 02:23:23,120
» Walmart owns that property that we've

3571
02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:25,120
been negotiating with which is just

3572
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:25,760
north of the restaurant. I I I

3573
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:26,960
understand that.

3574
02:23:25,760 --> 02:23:28,240
» Okay. I just want to make sure we don't

3575
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:30,000
get way way way over.

3576
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,920
» I just want to know how we how the

3577
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:33,600
discussion doesn't stop here and it

3578
02:23:31,920 --> 02:23:34,319
continues as a discussion.

3579
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:35,680
» Okay.

3580
02:23:34,319 --> 02:23:38,160
» Maybe it's a conversation we can have in

3581
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:39,120
the future under executive session or

3582
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,600
something, right?

3583
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:42,479
» About that when when when you're ready

3584
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:43,920
for that. Yeah.

3585
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:45,120
» Uh because obviously there's some

3586
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,080
counselors that are wanting to have that

3587
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:46,880
conversation and

3588
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:49,280
» I I think

3589
02:23:46,880 --> 02:23:50,800
» Conversation about what? Well, uh, what

3590
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:53,200
council Honda is bringing up, you know,

3591
02:23:50,800 --> 02:23:54,960
and I think I think it's it's worth of a

3592
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:56,240
discussion as we're looking towards the

3593
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:57,200
future development of our downtown.

3594
02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:59,280
» Well, clearly in general,

3595
02:23:57,200 --> 02:24:00,960
» The discussion is where are we going to

3596
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,600
acquire property for parking,

3597
02:24:00,960 --> 02:24:04,399
» Right?

3598
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:07,399
» Not the old Walmart building for $20

3599
02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:07,399
million.

3600
02:24:08,800 --> 02:24:09,840
» May I?

3601
02:24:09,280 --> 02:24:12,800
» Yeah.

3602
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:14,800
» Okay. So, you know, if if if I

3603
02:24:12,800 --> 02:24:17,680
understand it correctly, we're looking

3604
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:20,080
we're talking about ideas of where do we

3605
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:22,720
put parking? And I think the way I

3606
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:24,720
perceive it is, hey, just information

3607
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:28,240
that Walmart, did you know could be up

3608
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:29,760
for sale? And gez, that could I'm just

3609
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:31,520
throwing out ideas that could be an

3610
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:34,399
option. That's the way I perceive it.

3611
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:36,800
And I I think what I'm hearing is that

3612
02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:38,399
we need to put all ideas on the table of

3613
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:40,479
where can we put additional parking

3614
02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:43,680
because we're going to need that. Uh I

3615
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:46,560
don't the way I perceive it is the way I

3616
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:49,040
perceive that is we're not talking about

3617
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:51,200
hey let's buy Walmart and let's make it

3618
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:54,000
into a city hall. I'm not hearing that.

3619
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:55,359
I'm hearing that as let's put everything

3620
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:58,160
on the table which is the point of a

3621
02:24:55,359 --> 02:25:00,720
retreat and let's discuss it you know

3622
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:03,920
and then if we need further details or

3623
02:25:00,720 --> 02:25:06,800
further dissection of something maybe we

3624
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:07,280
take it up at a later special meeting

3625
02:25:06,800 --> 02:25:07,840
» Right

3626
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:09,920
» Perhaps

3627
02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:12,080
» At where where did the suggested ideas

3628
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:14,560
for the parking the the actual parking

3629
02:25:12,080 --> 02:25:17,200
garage that would service the the pack

3630
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:19,760
» So the parking garage and and the Korean

3631
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:21,520
palace is the is the best choice in my

3632
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:24,640
mind for where we would build a parking

3633
02:25:21,520 --> 02:25:27,040
garage. The idea of the Walmart came up

3634
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:29,280
is you could accommodate those 300

3635
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:31,359
parking spaces in that current surface

3636
02:25:29,280 --> 02:25:34,000
parking lot south of Walmart and not

3637
02:25:31,359 --> 02:25:36,160
ever build a garage. Um, it's a

3638
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:37,680
different it's a different outcome. It's

3639
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:40,399
not as convenient to the pack.

3640
02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:42,640
Obviously, it's farther away. Um, but it

3641
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:44,479
would save us from having to build an

3642
02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:48,479
expensive parking garage at the corner

3643
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:50,800
of PBR and and 316. So, so it's it is an

3644
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:55,439
alternative. Um, and yes, we end up with

3645
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:57,359
a giant building um as a as an extra.

3646
02:25:55,439 --> 02:26:00,160
And what happens to that building,

3647
02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:02,720
whether it gets demolished, whether we

3648
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:04,319
bank it for a while, um, obviously we

3649
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:05,920
know that the target became a problem

3650
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:08,640
just sitting there for a long time

3651
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:10,399
empty. Um, so that that doesn't come

3652
02:26:08,640 --> 02:26:14,000
without a bunch of strings and a bunch

3653
02:26:10,399 --> 02:26:16,560
of baggage. Um, but that surf that giant

3654
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:18,640
surface parking lot south of Walmart is

3655
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:22,399
more than enough that we need for the

3656
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:23,359
pack, which is why it was just put out

3657
02:26:22,399 --> 02:26:28,080
today.

3658
02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:29,840
» Right. Right. Melissa,

3659
02:26:28,080 --> 02:26:32,080
» Uh, yeah, just a couple quick thoughts.

3660
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:33,600
So, in our comp plan, it says we need

3661
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:36,240
11,200

3662
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:39,280
plus housing units in the next 20 years,

3663
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:42,240
right? Uh but my concern is that if we

3664
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:43,760
don't have a variety of housing, then

3665
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:45,200
we're going to be we're going to be up a

3666
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:47,040
creek because we're going to have a lot

3667
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:49,359
of people needing a lot of services

3668
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:51,840
without the revenue source to meet those

3669
02:26:49,359 --> 02:26:54,080
services. Um so I'm a little bit

3670
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:55,600
concerned to hear that the only people

3671
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:57,680
who are biting are people who are

3672
02:26:55,600 --> 02:27:00,560
wanting to build the, you know, the more

3673
02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:02,000
subsidized type housing, but um this is

3674
02:27:00,560 --> 02:27:03,600
exactly what we need to be working on

3675
02:27:02,000 --> 02:27:07,280
because this is going to affect our

3676
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:10,720
entire city. Um, as far as the parking

3677
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:13,359
garage goes, I hear the idea about the

3678
02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:15,600
city hall parking public market. You

3679
02:27:13,359 --> 02:27:16,720
said somebody has to go first. You

3680
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:20,160
mentioned that. I did.

3681
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:20,640
» What if we go first? Is that is would

3682
02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,560
that help?

3683
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:24,640
» Sometimes. Yeah. No, sometimes cities

3684
02:27:22,560 --> 02:27:25,760
are the ones who go first, but that

3685
02:27:24,640 --> 02:27:27,280
takes a lot of money.

3686
02:27:25,760 --> 02:27:30,720
» Okay. Yeah, I get that. Yeah.

3687
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:32,479
» Um, as far as the parking garage, uh,

3688
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:35,040
have we thought about it being a paid

3689
02:27:32,479 --> 02:27:38,319
parking garage to generate revenue?

3690
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:40,720
» Um, you know, that's, uh, so, so there's

3691
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:42,720
the capital costs, right? And, and yes,

3692
02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:47,760
you could you could make it a paid

3693
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:50,800
parking garage to help, um, uh, pay back

3694
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:54,640
that capital cost upfront. Um, but we

3695
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:56,000
have not talked about that. Um,

3696
02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:57,439
no.

3697
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:59,120
» I just think it would be a good idea to

3698
02:27:57,439 --> 02:28:01,200
talk about. I mean, Seattle has a bunch

3699
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:03,359
of paid parking garages and we can

3700
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:05,439
generate revenue from it. Something to

3701
02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:07,280
think about.

3702
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:08,960
» Okay. Uh, we, uh, thank you very much.

3703
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:10,720
Um, we need to move to our next item,

3704
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:12,640
which is farmers market festivals

3705
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:15,640
reimagining Gateway Shopping Center.

3706
02:28:12,640 --> 02:28:15,640
Brian

3707
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:20,439
Morning,

3708
02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:29,359
mayor, members of council. Uh, so this

3709
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:30,640
is the everything else on the agenda,

3710
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:31,600
and we didn't know where to put it. So,

3711
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:35,319
I'm going to be talking about this

3712
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,319
really quick. And

3713
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:41,040
here we go. It's just two quick slides.

3714
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:43,520
So, farmers market and festivals. We'll

3715
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:44,960
do that first. And again, uh, if there's

3716
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:47,040
anything more you want to talk about,

3717
02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:49,200
just let me know. But can you go to the

3718
02:28:47,040 --> 02:28:54,120
next slide, Thomas?

3719
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:54,120
» Oh, is it working now? Okay.

3720
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:01,040
Okay. So, the farmers market, as many of

3721
02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:04,319
you have been told, uh is going to be

3722
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:06,560
moving from its uh location behind the

3723
02:29:04,319 --> 02:29:09,359
mall. It's going to be moving to 316th

3724
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:11,040
in between uh PVR and 21st. That's just

3725
02:29:09,359 --> 02:29:13,200
north of Town Square Park that you see

3726
02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:14,880
there. Uh the council did approve the

3727
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:18,479
mobile vehicular barriers at the last

3728
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:22,399
council meeting to um help uh basically

3729
02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:24,240
secure that area for uh pedestrian space

3730
02:29:22,399 --> 02:29:27,040
uh during the market so that there's no

3731
02:29:24,240 --> 02:29:29,359
u vehicle pedestrian conflicts. Uh thank

3732
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:31,439
you for that by the way. Uh so that will

3733
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:36,479
start this summer

3734
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:38,560
um or spring, excuse me. And then um

3735
02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:39,680
we are uh just for the council's

3736
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:42,319
information, we're going to have some

3737
02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:44,000
new um registration software so that the

3738
02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:45,760
uh vendors will be able to register for

3739
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:47,280
their space ahead of you know months

3740
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:48,560
ahead of time, be able to pay for the

3741
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:49,760
space. The fee structure is going to be

3742
02:29:48,560 --> 02:29:52,720
different. It's going to be less of a

3743
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:55,200
commission based and more just of a uh a

3744
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:57,520
space rental uh for the market. It'll

3745
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:59,760
make things a lot easier on their end as

3746
02:29:57,520 --> 02:30:02,720
well as on our end. Uh so that should be

3747
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:04,319
a big improvement uh for uh both the

3748
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:06,479
city and for the vendors and we're

3749
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:09,520
looking forward to that moving forward.

3750
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:10,880
uh the festivals. We're not again we're

3751
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:12,560
this was on the agenda so we're not sure

3752
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:15,760
what uh the council wants to talk about

3753
02:30:12,560 --> 02:30:18,479
but um we had a meeting just a couple

3754
02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:20,720
days ago about the the festivals that

3755
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:23,040
that take place in Town Square Park

3756
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:24,880
typic a lot of them on Saturdays the

3757
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:30,240
same day as what the farmers market will

3758
02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:33,359
be this summer and um we believe this as

3759
02:30:30,240 --> 02:30:36,399
a um we're looking forward to it uh to

3760
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:38,319
the perhaps synergy that could be uh

3761
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:40,720
created by having both the farmers park

3762
02:30:38,319 --> 02:30:42,880
and some festivals on the same day. Uh

3763
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:44,399
we're going to have to utilize the the

3764
02:30:42,880 --> 02:30:46,880
uh parking lot that Keith talked about

3765
02:30:44,399 --> 02:30:50,000
earlier that we currently have a uh

3766
02:30:46,880 --> 02:30:52,080
lease on with Walmart. Um and that

3767
02:30:50,000 --> 02:30:53,920
should car carry with the next property

3768
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:57,760
owner as well, assuming they're willing

3769
02:30:53,920 --> 02:30:59,359
to um negotiate that into the future. Uh

3770
02:30:57,760 --> 02:31:01,520
but this will be a big part of the

3771
02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:05,040
advertising for the farmers market uh

3772
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:07,680
this next coming season that parking uh

3773
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:10,160
will need to be will need to utilize

3774
02:31:07,680 --> 02:31:13,120
that uh that that parking lot across

3775
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:16,800
from the pack south of Walmart and we'll

3776
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:18,960
redirect uh vendors and you know after

3777
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:20,560
they've set up we'll redirect vendors to

3778
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:23,280
that location as well as customers that

3779
02:31:20,560 --> 02:31:26,240
park there as well. Uh we want to avoid

3780
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:29,439
the parking that sometimes

3781
02:31:26,240 --> 02:31:31,120
uh takes place in the uh retail center

3782
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:33,040
south of Town Square Park. There's uh

3783
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:36,160
some conflicts that happen there with

3784
02:31:33,040 --> 02:31:38,000
the uh the retail spaces there wanting

3785
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:39,760
the parking to be free. And so we're

3786
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:41,120
doing our best to make sure that those

3787
02:31:39,760 --> 02:31:44,000
spaces remain free so that their

3788
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:46,000
businesses can can benefit from uh

3789
02:31:44,000 --> 02:31:48,000
customers coming in and out easier and

3790
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:50,880
not have a conflict with festivals in

3791
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:52,880
the park or the farmers market on 316th.

3792
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:54,800
Uh so those are that's the farmers

3793
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:58,479
market and the festival. Um as far as

3794
02:31:54,800 --> 02:32:01,359
the gateway

3795
02:31:58,479 --> 02:32:04,479
um what's it called?

3796
02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:06,240
Shopping re re-imagining. Oh, I think it

3797
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:08,960
was boutique is what was originally on

3798
02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:10,080
the agenda. Uh we we didn't know what to

3799
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:11,439
prepare for that. So that hopefully

3800
02:32:10,080 --> 02:32:14,080
that's something that the council can

3801
02:32:11,439 --> 02:32:16,720
help us out with. Um it's not in the

3802
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:18,800
comprehensive plan uh to reimagine the

3803
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:20,800
gateway center that and for council

3804
02:32:18,800 --> 02:32:22,640
members that are new. We for planning

3805
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:25,120
purposes, we have a document that

3806
02:32:22,640 --> 02:32:27,760
provides the 20-year planning horizon

3807
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:30,800
for the city and that's how we uh

3808
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:32,479
program our our work uh to accomplish

3809
02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:33,680
the goals that the council sets forth in

3810
02:32:32,479 --> 02:32:37,280
the comprehensive plan for the next 20

3811
02:32:33,680 --> 02:32:39,600
years. Um reimagining this area is not

3812
02:32:37,280 --> 02:32:40,560
one of them, but certainly we could talk

3813
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:43,200
about it. So

3814
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:45,040
» Yeah, and so I'll tee it up for for

3815
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:48,319
Council Member Honda if that's okay. And

3816
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:52,640
that's Oh, excuse me, for Susan. Um, and

3817
02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:54,880
that's um, that's a really unique space

3818
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:57,120
uh, where all the architecture matches

3819
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:59,040
up and whatnot. And I think there there

3820
02:32:57,120 --> 02:33:01,760
was a desire to talk about, you know,

3821
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:04,160
creating a new vision uh, for that space

3822
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:06,080
because it's it's rather unique in my

3823
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:08,160
opinion. So, it was something that uh,

3824
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:10,560
Council Honda brought it up when we were

3825
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:11,520
working on setting up the agenda. U, I

3826
02:33:10,560 --> 02:33:13,920
thought it was a really good,

3827
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:15,520
interesting, intriguing uh, discussion.

3828
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:18,880
Um, and I believe that's what I said in

3829
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:20,640
our meetings as well. Um but um Council

3830
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:22,960
Member Honda, can I I'll just give it

3831
02:33:20,640 --> 02:33:24,479
off to hand it off to you.

3832
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:25,920
» Thank you. Uh first of all, thank you

3833
02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:28,479
for talking about parking down where

3834
02:33:25,920 --> 02:33:31,920
Pack Island Grill is. I know whenever

3835
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:33,920
there's an event, um they reach out to

3836
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:35,600
me because their parking is impacted. So

3837
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:37,600
we

3838
02:33:35,600 --> 02:33:39,200
we really need to be working and making

3839
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:40,640
sure that people are not parking there

3840
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:43,040
if they're not supporting those

3841
02:33:40,640 --> 02:33:48,720
businesses there. So thanks for bringing

3842
02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:50,399
that up. Um, so Gateway Center, uh,

3843
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:52,560
you know, when you travel and you're

3844
02:33:50,399 --> 02:33:54,800
staying in a hotel and you love to go to

3845
02:33:52,560 --> 02:33:57,040
the little boutiques and restaurants

3846
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:58,800
around the hotel where they might be a

3847
02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:00,319
little bit more expensive, but it's for

3848
02:33:58,800 --> 02:34:02,640
tourism.

3849
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:04,479
I've always thought of Gateway Center as

3850
02:34:02,640 --> 02:34:10,399
that way because we've got our hotels

3851
02:34:04,479 --> 02:34:12,800
there. It's right off the freeway and um

3852
02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:15,439
I've always thought that was its purpose

3853
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:16,880
and I would I I know it's not something

3854
02:34:15,439 --> 02:34:19,120
we've talked about as a city and we

3855
02:34:16,880 --> 02:34:22,319
don't even it's not our property but it

3856
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:26,000
would be great to as we plan for the

3857
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:29,280
future of downtown Federal Way try to uh

3858
02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:32,000
see if we can get that

3859
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:34,000
as a tourism center. So, you know, with

3860
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:35,280
the with the cute little boutiques in

3861
02:34:34,000 --> 02:34:36,720
the restaurants, we have Marlene's

3862
02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:38,720
there, which is a great store.

3863
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:40,880
Hopefully, it doesn't close down and go

3864
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:43,760
away. But, you know, that's something

3865
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:44,160
like that. Something like um

3866
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:44,880
» Huh.

3867
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:46,240
» Coffee shops.

3868
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:49,200
» Yeah. Coffee shops. you know, things

3869
02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:51,280
where people can gather uh not just in

3870
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:53,200
the summertime, but all all winter when

3871
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:55,040
we have big swim events and we have

3872
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:57,439
people staying at the hotels and they

3873
02:34:55,040 --> 02:35:00,800
could easily go out and walk and spend

3874
02:34:57,439 --> 02:35:02,640
money, eat, shop, have a good time and

3875
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:06,240
I've always just envisioned that as as

3876
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:08,240
as that area. So, that's why I asked to

3877
02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:10,479
bring it up. That's all just planning

3878
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:13,680
for the future.

3879
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:16,800
» All right. Council. Oh. Uh, uh, Linda,

3880
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:20,080
» Would you pass these? So, when we were,

3881
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:23,439
um, Council Member Dovy previously

3882
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:26,720
talked about, uh, portable ice skating

3883
02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:29,040
rink and so when we were in Olympia, um,

3884
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:32,960
Jack with this fabulous

3885
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:36,000
» Camera skills, took this picture

3886
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:39,760
» Of uh, Ollie on ice. Linda, this is a

3887
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:42,399
portable um ice skating rink and it's

3888
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:45,120
run by a it looks like a professional

3889
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:48,640
that that uh it's two months out of the

3890
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:50,479
year and they have a a a ch if I had I

3891
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:55,359
ran out of ink and it's all color so I

3892
02:35:50,479 --> 02:35:57,280
ran out of ink but uh you uh

3893
02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:58,960
right where the farmers market is so

3894
02:35:57,280 --> 02:36:00,080
there would be something there in the

3895
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:01,520
winter

3896
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:04,240
» Uh especially around the Christmas time.

3897
02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:06,319
So they they run their uh portable ice

3898
02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:10,240
rink from November through the end of

3899
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:12,240
January. And um they have um corporate

3900
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:16,319
sponsors, quite a few corporate

3901
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:17,760
sponsors, PSC being one of them. And uh

3902
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:20,240
uh so I just thought it would be

3903
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:23,439
something that less with the parks

3904
02:36:20,240 --> 02:36:26,479
committee could look into possibly for

3905
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:28,479
um an idea for in conjunction with the

3906
02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:30,640
farmers market. So just to move it

3907
02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:32,640
forward and ice skating made a portable

3908
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:35,120
that the city would have very little

3909
02:36:32,640 --> 02:36:38,000
very little uh as far as I'm not sure

3910
02:36:35,120 --> 02:36:41,680
how much uh we'd have to put in as far

3911
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:42,000
as um in u money.

3912
02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:43,120
» Okay.

3913
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:44,640
» So just an idea.

3914
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:46,560
» All right. Thank you, Jack.

3915
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:48,560
» Right. Uh

3916
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:51,359
couple questions.

3917
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:53,040
» Uh one I I I think that the we should

3918
02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:55,120
definitely look into the idea of the ice

3919
02:36:53,040 --> 02:36:58,160
skating rink. you know, probably uh for

3920
02:36:55,120 --> 02:37:01,120
now anyway up where where on PC3 where

3921
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:03,120
the lands ladder and because nothing's

3922
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:04,720
going to happen on part of that

3923
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:08,240
hopefully it happened sooner rather than

3924
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:10,479
later but even the sooner is would be a

3925
02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:13,120
couple or three years away I think for

3926
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:15,760
at least a portion of it. Uh question on

3927
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:18,960
the uh uh where the farmers market

3928
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:23,200
preends to be there on on 314. Uh how

3929
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:24,560
many stalls uh will be available?

3930
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,720
» Uh vendor stalls.

3931
02:37:24,560 --> 02:37:28,479
» Vendor stalls. So there the capac if we

3932
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:31,760
were just to line up the entire street

3933
02:37:28,479 --> 02:37:33,439
and and have them just right in a row on

3934
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:36,000
both the north and south sides of the

3935
02:37:33,439 --> 02:37:38,479
street we'd get about and we if they're

3936
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:41,040
10 x 10 and we allow you know I think

3937
02:37:38,479 --> 02:37:44,160
it's like two feet in between uh we'd

3938
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:48,000
get about 67 u but we we're also talking

3939
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:50,880
about ways to um

3940
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:53,520
if we can use this and this is getting

3941
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:55,439
into the future because um we haven't

3942
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:57,760
done the total survey of the ground, but

3943
02:37:55,439 --> 02:38:00,399
if we moved them up onto the sidewalks,

3944
02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:02,720
um that might free a center lane. Um but

3945
02:38:00,399 --> 02:38:05,040
for now, we just look at the capacity

3946
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:06,880
and it's about 67, which I think uh

3947
02:38:05,040 --> 02:38:10,240
allows us a few years to grow.

3948
02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:12,160
» Okay, great. Fantastic. Uh as far as

3949
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:14,240
festivals go, you know, I think the idea

3950
02:38:12,160 --> 02:38:17,840
of having the farmers market there and

3951
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:21,280
then festivals in the uh uh there in in

3952
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:23,840
town uh uh Square Park. I mean, it's

3953
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:27,680
going to help each other rather than

3954
02:38:23,840 --> 02:38:30,399
detract from each other. And uh one

3955
02:38:27,680 --> 02:38:34,000
thing that I I think may be well is is

3956
02:38:30,399 --> 02:38:37,120
talk to the Lions about having their

3957
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:39,760
their Lions car show in Smart Mall

3958
02:38:37,120 --> 02:38:42,080
parking lot up either, you know,

3959
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:45,200
somewhere in this area here. And so once

3960
02:38:42,080 --> 02:38:48,080
again, it would be uh would complement

3961
02:38:45,200 --> 02:38:51,200
it as well rather than than taking

3962
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:52,560
people to another area. um with the with

3963
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:54,640
the festival, something that I've been

3964
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:57,359
advocating that I would love to see the

3965
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:58,960
especially uh

3966
02:38:57,359 --> 02:39:01,040
you know with we're one of the most

3967
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:03,840
international communities in the nation

3968
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:05,520
and I think that our our uh better way

3969
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,840
community festival should be the brand

3970
02:39:05,520 --> 02:39:10,720
of the better international community

3971
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:13,120
festival and really emphasize that

3972
02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:17,200
community that international aspect of

3973
02:39:13,120 --> 02:39:20,000
better way and work on uh having more uh

3974
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:21,200
you know Susan mentioned that that Uh I

3975
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:24,160
think it was Susan that mentioned that

3976
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:26,240
already there's somebody mentioned that

3977
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:28,399
that we have a diversity of restaurants,

3978
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:30,640
small restaurants. Uh when I had my

3979
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:32,479
shop, people would come in and say,

3980
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:33,760
"Hey, I'm from Seattle, you know, came

3981
02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:35,920
down here. This is the Federal Way is

3982
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:36,800
the place for Korean barbecue and now

3983
02:39:35,920 --> 02:39:38,319
we're going out for ice cream

3984
02:39:36,800 --> 02:39:39,920
afterwards, but I mean it it's already

3985
02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:42,880
known for Korean barbecue." Some other

3986
02:39:39,920 --> 02:39:45,680
things we need to to work on that. And

3987
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:48,240
uh along with that, the idea of trying

3988
02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:50,319
to develop gateway center more is great.

3989
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:52,319
Uh question is is the gateway center is

3990
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:54,720
that a single ownership there or there

3991
02:39:52,319 --> 02:39:57,120
multiple owners in Gateway Center? Who's

3992
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:58,880
the who's the land owners there?

3993
02:39:57,120 --> 02:40:00,560
» Uh there are there are multiple

3994
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:02,880
» Multiple. Okay.

3995
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:05,760
» All right. But anyway, uh I don't know

3996
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:08,880
what we can do to incentivize

3997
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:10,479
development there, but but you know

3998
02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:12,640
for Meredith to give us some ideas on

3999
02:40:10,479 --> 02:40:13,120
what can be incentivized there, but

4000
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:14,160
thank you.

4001
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:17,840
» Thank you, Susan.

4002
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:21,120
» Uh thanks. So, when we talk about having

4003
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:23,920
uh events on the road by between the

4004
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:27,040
pack and the park, is there any way we

4005
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:30,000
could have perhaps some stairs leading

4006
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:32,880
from maybe where the playground area is

4007
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:35,280
up into the uh the road? Because right

4008
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:38,720
now, you're going to have to walk from

4009
02:40:35,280 --> 02:40:41,680
the parking lot around or go out to the

4010
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:44,240
gate uh where the uh gazebo is and walk

4011
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:45,760
up and it's going to be inconvenient.

4012
02:40:44,240 --> 02:40:46,319
So, is there a way we can make it more

4013
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:48,640
convenient?

4014
02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:50,479
» We Yes. Um, the short answer is yes.

4015
02:40:48,640 --> 02:40:51,600
Although may probably not right away.

4016
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:54,160
That's something that we talked about

4017
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:56,080
for as the as the market grows and we we

4018
02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:57,040
get capital to make that connection. I

4019
02:40:56,080 --> 02:40:59,200
think what you're talking about is from

4020
02:40:57,040 --> 02:41:02,319
the street down to the park mid mid

4021
02:40:59,200 --> 02:41:05,920
block basically. Um and we did uh

4022
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:08,319
discuss that need and um recognize that

4023
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:09,439
as you know to to your point it's kind

4024
02:41:08,319 --> 02:41:11,280
of inconvenient to walk all the way

4025
02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:13,680
around because then it's they're not

4026
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:16,080
really connected uh you know the

4027
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:17,840
distance you'd have to walk a block away

4028
02:41:16,080 --> 02:41:20,000
to get to the park that's right across

4029
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:20,319
the street. So we did recognize that

4030
02:41:20,000 --> 02:41:22,560
need.

4031
02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:25,600
» Yeah. Around the corner by the Yeah. So,

4032
02:41:22,560 --> 02:41:28,960
so someone who has mobility issues,

4033
02:41:25,600 --> 02:41:31,359
let's say they find parking at the park

4034
02:41:28,960 --> 02:41:33,520
and then they want to go to an event

4035
02:41:31,359 --> 02:41:38,399
that's in the street, it's going to be a

4036
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:41,439
a long walk for them. So, the more

4037
02:41:38,399 --> 02:41:43,040
accessible we can make it, the better

4038
02:41:41,439 --> 02:41:44,080
as soon as we could.

4039
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:46,880
» So, thank you.

4040
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:49,680
» Okay, Melissa.

4041
02:41:46,880 --> 02:41:51,600
Uh yeah, I would I want to go back to an

4042
02:41:49,680 --> 02:41:53,120
idea I threw out early in the

4043
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:56,560
conversation since we're talking about

4044
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:59,040
festivals is uh our restaurants and I'm

4045
02:41:56,560 --> 02:42:01,200
not sure if it's a

4046
02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:02,640
development, you know, conversation, but

4047
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:05,439
certainly an economic opportunity

4048
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:07,280
conversation and that is uh doing

4049
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:11,040
something like an international

4050
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:13,600
restaurant week where people can come

4051
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:15,840
and maybe like each day try a different

4052
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:18,000
kind of ethnic food because I think that

4053
02:42:15,840 --> 02:42:20,960
that is really one of our strengths is

4054
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:23,120
that uh you know we are such an

4055
02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:25,120
international city and to give that some

4056
02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:28,399
extra visibility

4057
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:30,560
I think uh could help uh give our city

4058
02:42:28,399 --> 02:42:32,560
some ex you know an economic boost there

4059
02:42:30,560 --> 02:42:36,479
and uh typically when the restaurants do

4060
02:42:32,560 --> 02:42:38,880
this they pick a week where uh you know

4061
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:40,560
it's it's a a slower week out of the

4062
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:43,280
year for restaurants and then that kind

4063
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:45,840
of boosts their you know visitors or

4064
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:47,439
customers. So, it's just an idea I want

4065
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:49,280
to throw out doing something like an

4066
02:42:47,439 --> 02:42:50,960
international restaurant week,

4067
02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:52,560
international restaurant circuit type

4068
02:42:50,960 --> 02:42:54,640
type thing where we can lay it out like

4069
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:56,319
hey if you want to try you know this

4070
02:42:54,640 --> 02:42:57,359
kind of cuisine one day and then the

4071
02:42:56,319 --> 02:43:00,640
next day there's another kind of

4072
02:42:57,359 --> 02:43:03,280
cuisine. So

4073
02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:05,600
» And then Linda

4074
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:09,280
» Yeah uh first of all thank you very much

4075
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:13,120
for your presentation. So the farmers

4076
02:43:09,280 --> 02:43:16,080
market seems to be a very popular event,

4077
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:20,399
seasonal event every year. I've been

4078
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:22,880
there many times. Um and also I heard um

4079
02:43:20,399 --> 02:43:26,000
the presentation earlier about the

4080
02:43:22,880 --> 02:43:28,960
public market. Everyone seems to be in

4081
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:33,760
agreement that that is also great idea

4082
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:36,800
but not yet in existence. Um

4083
02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:41,280
assuming that will be online someday. Uh

4084
02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:45,040
I am personally advocating for that. Um

4085
02:43:41,280 --> 02:43:48,399
but if that reaches fruition, are you

4086
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:53,040
saying that we are going to have both uh

4087
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:55,600
a permanent public market and a seasonal

4088
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:59,040
farmers market or will the seasonal

4089
02:43:55,600 --> 02:44:02,720
farmers market discontinue

4090
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:06,479
in lie of a permanent public market? the

4091
02:44:02,720 --> 02:44:08,960
so the idea at this point is not to uh

4092
02:44:06,479 --> 02:44:10,960
cannibalize one for the other. Um

4093
02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:13,600
they're both projects that we want to

4094
02:44:10,960 --> 02:44:15,840
see move forward. Um and at this point

4095
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:17,840
they they have separate purposes. They

4096
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:20,640
they certainly uh could work off each

4097
02:44:17,840 --> 02:44:24,240
other and perhaps in the far distant

4098
02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:26,960
future they're more uh consolidated into

4099
02:44:24,240 --> 02:44:28,640
a closer proximity to each other. Um but

4100
02:44:26,960 --> 02:44:30,880
right now we're we're planning on the

4101
02:44:28,640 --> 02:44:33,040
farmers market for this. The mayor's

4102
02:44:30,880 --> 02:44:34,720
vision is to have it downtown for this

4103
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:37,600
very discussion we're having right now

4104
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:39,439
and to put it in that rideway which took

4105
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:42,000
uh a lot of planning on our public cork

4106
02:44:39,439 --> 02:44:44,479
staff. Our park staff has done a lot to

4107
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:47,680
make sure that this is all possible with

4108
02:44:44,479 --> 02:44:50,399
everything going on and this sort of uh

4109
02:44:47,680 --> 02:44:52,800
chaos is is good chaos and we want it to

4110
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:54,319
build off each other. Uh which falls in

4111
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:55,760
line with with uh you know the vision

4112
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:58,160
that the mayor and council have had for

4113
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:59,760
downtown. Um but the short answer your

4114
02:44:58,160 --> 02:45:02,000
question is we're we're moving forward

4115
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:06,319
with the farmers market and the public

4116
02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:08,720
market um as as two very good uh

4117
02:45:06,319 --> 02:45:11,840
concepts that we want to see succeed.

4118
02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:14,479
» Absolutely. I would also advocate since

4119
02:45:11,840 --> 02:45:17,359
others have mentioned uh parking the

4120
02:45:14,479 --> 02:45:19,760
issue of parking it is a big concern uh

4121
02:45:17,359 --> 02:45:23,439
I'd like to speak up and advocate for

4122
02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:26,240
more handicap parking. Um let's plan

4123
02:45:23,439 --> 02:45:28,880
that. Uh let's plan for the future. Um,

4124
02:45:26,240 --> 02:45:31,520
I've got uh people in my family, my

4125
02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:35,359
immediate family, who are disabled and

4126
02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:38,080
we've had to park when no spaces uh have

4127
02:45:35,359 --> 02:45:41,279
been available. We've had to park and

4128
02:45:38,080 --> 02:45:44,399
walk and and that's pretty arduous. So,

4129
02:45:41,279 --> 02:45:48,160
uh the other thing is um others have

4130
02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:51,600
mentioned, but most recently Melissa, uh

4131
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:54,399
Federal Way is an excellent destination

4132
02:45:51,600 --> 02:45:58,319
for food and restaurants. Uh I like to

4133
02:45:54,399 --> 02:46:02,080
eat. Um, and I like to try different

4134
02:45:58,319 --> 02:46:04,000
foods and different cultures and that I

4135
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:08,160
think contributes to our quality of

4136
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:11,520
life. So, if it's going to attract

4137
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:12,960
people, I'm all for it. So, thank you.

4138
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:14,080
» All right. And thank you, Les. I think

4139
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:16,080
you're absolutely right. We need to be

4140
02:46:14,080 --> 02:46:17,840
very mindful and we, you know, we've

4141
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:19,920
about handicap parking. That's something

4142
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:23,439
that we just need to keep our really

4143
02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:24,160
make a real priority as we plan. Uh,

4144
02:46:23,439 --> 02:46:26,080
Lindon. Oh,

4145
02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:27,760
» Thank you, Mayor and Martin. I just want

4146
02:46:26,080 --> 02:46:30,560
to make sure, are you going to assign

4147
02:46:27,760 --> 02:46:32,240
any of these ideas to committees or to

4148
02:46:30,560 --> 02:46:32,560
staff or how are you going to bring them

4149
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:34,080
forward?

4150
02:46:32,560 --> 02:46:36,560
» Well, what we're going to do is uh you

4151
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:40,720
know, Brian will make sure through the

4152
02:46:36,560 --> 02:46:42,640
through Heather uh that we um summarize

4153
02:46:40,720 --> 02:46:44,399
uh the contents of the uh of the

4154
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:46,399
retreat. I was going to say that at the

4155
02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:47,760
at the end that we're going to have a a

4156
02:46:46,399 --> 02:46:49,439
summary. we'll bring it back before the

4157
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:51,840
council to make sure we're on the same

4158
02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:53,760
page and then we'll um get consensus

4159
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:54,560
from the council of direction. C

4160
02:46:53,760 --> 02:46:55,120
» Can I add to that?

4161
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,560
» Yeah,

4162
02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:58,880
» It's something that that will come up to

4163
02:46:56,560 --> 02:47:00,319
agenda setting as well and so we'll I'll

4164
02:46:58,880 --> 02:47:02,560
work closely with the mayor and I'll

4165
02:47:00,319 --> 02:47:04,560
work closely with our colleagues to

4166
02:47:02,560 --> 02:47:06,560
disperse those items out in conjunction

4167
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:08,479
with the mayor's office. But instead of

4168
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:10,240
just minutes, we will have a summary of

4169
02:47:08,479 --> 02:47:13,279
of each. Yeah, we'll have a summary of

4170
02:47:10,240 --> 02:47:15,279
each of of each item that we've talked

4171
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:17,520
about and about where there appears to

4172
02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:20,560
be consensus. Watch that carefully to

4173
02:47:17,520 --> 02:47:22,560
make sure that um you know that that we

4174
02:47:20,560 --> 02:47:25,359
are in agreement or you're in agreement

4175
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:27,120
for how um uh you know how the

4176
02:47:25,359 --> 02:47:29,279
conversation went or if there appeared

4177
02:47:27,120 --> 02:47:31,359
to be consensus about these items and

4178
02:47:29,279 --> 02:47:32,399
then we'll bring it back up and then

4179
02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:34,240
agenda setting won't be.

4180
02:47:32,399 --> 02:47:36,160
» Thank you. I'm going to take this to the

4181
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:38,080
public in case anybody wants to look at

4182
02:47:36,160 --> 02:47:39,279
it, especially like public market,

4183
02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:40,319
farmers market focus.

4184
02:47:39,279 --> 02:47:43,120
» Very good.

4185
02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:46,720
» Okay. Thank you. Uh Brian, anything else

4186
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:49,439
on this issue? Any questions? Okay. Um

4187
02:47:46,720 --> 02:47:51,600
All right. Now, let's uh item five, uh

4188
02:47:49,439 --> 02:47:54,960
city grants, uh vetting and oversight

4189
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:56,640
process. Council member Walsh.

4190
02:47:54,960 --> 02:48:00,520
And then actually Keith, why don't we uh

4191
02:47:56,640 --> 02:48:00,520
Yeah, Keith, come back up.

4192
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:10,391
Yeah, with uh with this I mean there's

4193
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:12,399
been a lot of uh of talk in recent uh

4194
02:48:10,391 --> 02:48:15,359
[clears throat] times both uh both on

4195
02:48:12,399 --> 02:48:21,600
the national level and also with uh in

4196
02:48:15,359 --> 02:48:24,720
in King County uh with uh um the the

4197
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:27,120
county council did a an audit and found

4198
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:29,279
that some things were not going where

4199
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:31,359
they were where they thought they were

4200
02:48:29,279 --> 02:48:34,640
point and and I think that we just need

4201
02:48:31,359 --> 02:48:37,520
to make sure that we have a mechanism

4202
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:40,640
that when we are doing grants or or

4203
02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:44,720
working with different uh nonprofits

4204
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:47,680
that we have a better knowledge of them

4205
02:48:44,720 --> 02:48:49,680
understanding uh to my knowledge I don't

4206
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:51,600
think there's been any to the best of my

4207
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:53,439
knowledge there's been no no fraud or

4208
02:48:51,600 --> 02:48:55,279
anything in federal way with with any of

4209
02:48:53,439 --> 02:48:57,680
the the things that we put out but we

4210
02:48:55,279 --> 02:49:00,479
want to make sure that there's not and

4211
02:48:57,680 --> 02:49:05,200
also give the public the assurance that

4212
02:49:00,479 --> 02:49:08,479
that uh that we are vetting uh the

4213
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:10,880
recipients of uh of different uh of

4214
02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:12,720
different grants and things. Uh I think

4215
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:15,439
that the human services commission does

4216
02:49:12,720 --> 02:49:16,960
a a great job of reviewing grant

4217
02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:19,279
applications.

4218
02:49:16,960 --> 02:49:20,880
However, with the review of grant

4219
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:23,279
applications, they're they're generally

4220
02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:27,840
reviewing the application and not

4221
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:30,479
necessarily reviewing the uh doing due

4222
02:49:27,840 --> 02:49:33,279
diligence on the the organization

4223
02:49:30,479 --> 02:49:35,439
itself. And I think that we need to make

4224
02:49:33,279 --> 02:49:38,479
sure that there is due diligence done on

4225
02:49:35,439 --> 02:49:40,479
the organization. Um, you know, a few

4226
02:49:38,479 --> 02:49:43,200
weeks ago there was a a question about

4227
02:49:40,479 --> 02:49:47,040
one of the organizations that that uh we

4228
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:49,840
gave uh we're going to give funding to,

4229
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:51,120
and I hadn't heard of them beforehand. A

4230
02:49:49,840 --> 02:49:53,760
number of the council members hadn't

4231
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:55,760
heard of the organization beforehand. I

4232
02:49:53,760 --> 02:49:58,720
went over and visited, sat down with the

4233
02:49:55,760 --> 02:50:01,040
with the CEO of the organization, walked

4234
02:49:58,720 --> 02:50:03,840
away thinking, "Hey, it's it's a good

4235
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:06,960
place for uh for us to put our our

4236
02:50:03,840 --> 02:50:10,479
efforts." But we should know that in

4237
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:12,560
advance, not having to it to come to

4238
02:50:10,479 --> 02:50:14,880
council and then the council saying,

4239
02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:16,640
"Hey, I I never heard of this this

4240
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:18,560
place." Making sure that there's due

4241
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:22,080
diligence and and what what can we do to

4242
02:50:18,560 --> 02:50:24,800
to help assure ourselves and the public

4243
02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:25,680
that there is due diligence being done.

4244
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:29,920
» Keith,

4245
02:50:25,680 --> 02:50:31,600
» Okay, um I'm back. Um, so we're going to

4246
02:50:29,920 --> 02:50:33,520
pull back the curtain a little bit on

4247
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:34,800
our granny process so you guys can

4248
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:37,359
understand a little bit better what

4249
02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:39,680
staff are doing. And there's always room

4250
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:41,680
for improvement. And so if there's ideas

4251
02:50:39,680 --> 02:50:43,279
that you guys have that that we're not

4252
02:50:41,680 --> 02:50:46,399
doing or things we could do differently,

4253
02:50:43,279 --> 02:50:49,760
we absolutely can um can pivot and

4254
02:50:46,399 --> 02:50:51,920
include those. So first off, um let's

4255
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:55,040
let's understand that the money that the

4256
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:56,960
city grants out to nonprofits comes from

4257
02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:58,080
two sources. I'm going to say two even

4258
02:50:56,960 --> 02:51:00,240
though there's three things on the

4259
02:50:58,080 --> 02:51:02,080
slide. Uh so there's human service

4260
02:51:00,240 --> 02:51:04,240
grants which comes out of the budgeting

4261
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:08,479
process. So you guys create a human

4262
02:51:04,240 --> 02:51:10,960
services uh budget line item and we then

4263
02:51:08,479 --> 02:51:14,160
allocate that out through a singular

4264
02:51:10,960 --> 02:51:16,880
process and that's a two-year um because

4265
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:18,720
we do budgets every two years. Uh

4266
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:21,359
generally speaking, what we do is once

4267
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:25,520
during the two-year process, but for two

4268
02:51:21,359 --> 02:51:27,200
years, uh give grant allocations out.

4269
02:51:25,520 --> 02:51:29,520
The second is community development

4270
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:31,279
block grants, and those come from

4271
02:51:29,520 --> 02:51:34,319
housing and urban development. So those

4272
02:51:31,279 --> 02:51:37,680
are federal dollars that wheel through

4273
02:51:34,319 --> 02:51:40,240
the city. Um and so there's a little bit

4274
02:51:37,680 --> 02:51:43,200
some nuances between those two grant

4275
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:45,040
types um based on where the money comes

4276
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:48,160
from, but I'm going to talk about it

4277
02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:49,600
holistically. um for simplicity sake.

4278
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:51,279
And then the third one, and the reason

4279
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:53,680
why I have other on there, is every now

4280
02:51:51,279 --> 02:51:56,240
and then there is some other money we

4281
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:58,720
find um that we then allocate out as

4282
02:51:56,240 --> 02:52:02,560
grants. And so, for example, you guys

4283
02:51:58,720 --> 02:52:05,120
just uh approved um uh human service

4284
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:08,080
recommendation for food insecurity. And

4285
02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:10,800
that money came from King County. It was

4286
02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:14,720
ARPA money to help with kind of

4287
02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:16,960
post-pandemic um recovery. and we just

4288
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:18,960
hadn't spent it up until this point. And

4289
02:52:16,960 --> 02:52:21,200
there we go. So that kind of came in

4290
02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:23,600
under the other bucket. Um but we made

4291
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:26,560
the process mirror the other processes

4292
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:29,359
that that we go through. So I apologize

4293
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:32,479
these are little words. Um this is and I

4294
02:52:29,359 --> 02:52:34,479
can send you guys um this digitally so

4295
02:52:32,479 --> 02:52:39,040
you can see it um and read all the

4296
02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:41,359
words. This is this was um a way to try

4297
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:43,760
and describe the process to the human

4298
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:48,160
services commission. So each color of

4299
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:52,399
box uh represents a different entity. Um

4300
02:52:48,160 --> 02:52:55,439
city staff is blue. Um purple is uh the

4301
02:52:52,399 --> 02:53:00,399
commission. Red is the city council. Um

4302
02:52:55,439 --> 02:53:03,439
and uh uh kind of the the navy blue is

4303
02:53:00,399 --> 02:53:05,279
the applicants. So, so really what

4304
02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:09,040
happens is we start off at the very

4305
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:12,720
beginning and we do a notice of grant

4306
02:53:09,040 --> 02:53:16,720
funds available and that starts the

4307
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:19,760
process rolling and um kind of it turns

4308
02:53:16,720 --> 02:53:21,520
the corner and gets to that first blue

4309
02:53:19,760 --> 02:53:23,520
box in the middle on the second row.

4310
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:26,560
What that says is screening a grant

4311
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:30,399
application. So what happens there is we

4312
02:53:26,560 --> 02:53:33,680
make sure that they um are responsive to

4313
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:35,600
the grant criteria. Um sometimes we put

4314
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:38,720
for example

4315
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:41,359
a floor on how much we want to allocate

4316
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:42,880
for a grant. Um because once you get

4317
02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:44,640
below that it's just a lot of

4318
02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:47,279
administrative paperwork. So sometimes

4319
02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:49,439
we create a floor. Um so at that step

4320
02:53:47,279 --> 02:53:51,920
we're basically making sure that we got

4321
02:53:49,439 --> 02:53:56,880
complete applications. the applicants

4322
02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:58,640
are responsive to um the criteria that

4323
02:53:56,880 --> 02:54:01,600
was established. And then the third

4324
02:53:58,640 --> 02:54:04,319
thing is and and as as Jack mentioned

4325
02:54:01,600 --> 02:54:06,000
just recently, you know, with every now

4326
02:54:04,319 --> 02:54:08,640
and then and the hope is this happens

4327
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:10,240
more often is that we get applications

4328
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:11,680
from organizations that we're not

4329
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:13,680
familiar with. And what happened with

4330
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:17,040
the food insecurities was we got an

4331
02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:18,640
application from nested communities. And

4332
02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:20,000
even though they're in federal way and

4333
02:54:18,640 --> 02:54:21,120
actually within a stone throw of city

4334
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:24,880
hall, we didn't know anything about

4335
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:27,359
them. Um, and so prior to council member

4336
02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:29,840
Walsh spending a good he spent over an

4337
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:32,080
hour with them, I think. Uh, my city my

4338
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:34,479
staff Angeline and Ila went there and

4339
02:54:32,080 --> 02:54:38,319
also visited them and checked out their

4340
02:54:34,479 --> 02:54:41,840
facilities and their programs. Um and so

4341
02:54:38,319 --> 02:54:44,560
part of part of that unknown and we're

4342
02:54:41,840 --> 02:54:48,240
hoping we get more applications from

4343
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:50,560
other um diverse communities in our or

4344
02:54:48,240 --> 02:54:53,680
diverse nonprofit serving those

4345
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:54,720
communities in our city. Um there's

4346
02:54:53,680 --> 02:54:56,720
going to be a lot that we've never

4347
02:54:54,720 --> 02:54:59,359
worked with before. And I think that

4348
02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:01,920
question of how much how much staff time

4349
02:54:59,359 --> 02:55:05,120
do we need to spend so that there's some

4350
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:06,880
level of um comfort that the council has

4351
02:55:05,120 --> 02:55:09,760
and the community has that those

4352
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:12,640
nonprofits are actually doing. So that

4353
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:14,160
kind of happens um and can talk about

4354
02:55:12,640 --> 02:55:16,560
whether we're doing enough or not enough

4355
02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:19,520
there at that second box. And then when

4356
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:21,920
we get down to the end um where we're

4357
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:23,840
actually administering the contracts to

4358
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:25,520
these folks after you guys have said

4359
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:28,560
yes, let's give money to these

4360
02:55:25,520 --> 02:55:32,640
organizations. There's actually um a

4361
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:34,800
process for what we do at that point. So

4362
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:36,720
how we send out the notice and this is

4363
02:55:34,800 --> 02:55:40,640
part of a conversation of trying to be

4364
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:43,120
more inclusive um with people who may or

4365
02:55:40,640 --> 02:55:44,720
may not have familiarity with the city.

4366
02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:47,920
So the first thing in the upper left

4367
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:49,680
says constant contact list. So in

4368
02:55:47,920 --> 02:55:52,160
community development, we create a list

4369
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:54,000
of nonprofits that we work with that

4370
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:56,800
have called or emailed us and said,

4371
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:59,200
"Hey, put me on the list for your next

4372
02:55:56,800 --> 02:56:02,479
granting opportunity." And so we always

4373
02:55:59,200 --> 02:56:04,880
send out um notice to those agencies

4374
02:56:02,479 --> 02:56:07,120
that are on our contact constant contact

4375
02:56:04,880 --> 02:56:10,000
list. We also put a notice in the

4376
02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:11,840
newspaper. Um, and I apologize it says

4377
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:14,441
flag policy on the Federalway mirror

4378
02:56:11,840 --> 02:56:15,359
there, but it took a recent one.

4379
02:56:14,441 --> 02:56:18,479
[laughter]

4380
02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:21,040
So, so we put it in the newspaper. Um,

4381
02:56:18,479 --> 02:56:23,040
we also, um, asked the mayor to put it

4382
02:56:21,040 --> 02:56:25,120
in the citywide news. Um, and then

4383
02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:27,520
finally, there's an opportunity on

4384
02:56:25,120 --> 02:56:29,920
community services, which is one of my

4385
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:32,960
department web pages, um, that gives

4386
02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:35,359
people grant um, opportunities there. So

4387
02:56:32,960 --> 02:56:38,319
we're always trying to expand this list

4388
02:56:35,359 --> 02:56:41,600
and to get it to more um groups within

4389
02:56:38,319 --> 02:56:43,920
our city. Um but this is what we do now.

4390
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:46,080
So screening applications as I mentioned

4391
02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:48,000
we go through eligibility completeness

4392
02:56:46,080 --> 02:56:50,319
and then sometimes we do site visits and

4393
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:52,640
a lot of that depends on whether we feel

4394
02:56:50,319 --> 02:56:55,439
like we need more background from a a

4395
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:58,240
particular organization. Um and then

4396
02:56:55,439 --> 02:57:00,240
monitoring the contracts. So we monitor

4397
02:56:58,240 --> 02:57:02,080
the expenditures and performance and

4398
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:04,160
provide technical assistance. Some of

4399
02:57:02,080 --> 02:57:06,560
the nonprofits we work with are not very

4400
02:57:04,160 --> 02:57:08,399
sophisticated and we help them get

4401
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:10,640
through their contract obligations.

4402
02:57:08,399 --> 02:57:12,800
Let's do it now.

4403
02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:14,880
» Action that we have at that point is we

4404
02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:18,080
could terminate the contract if we find

4405
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:21,359
that a particular nonprofit is not

4406
02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:23,920
complying with the terms of the grant.

4407
02:57:21,359 --> 02:57:26,479
Um the second bullet point staff require

4408
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:29,840
invoices demonstrate compiance with the

4409
02:57:26,479 --> 02:57:32,080
contract terms and the grantee has

4410
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:34,000
provided proof of payment. So in other

4411
02:57:32,080 --> 02:57:39,040
words just because they say they spent

4412
02:57:34,000 --> 02:57:41,359
you know $5,000 on item X doesn't mean

4413
02:57:39,040 --> 02:57:43,520
that we believe that they spent $5,000

4414
02:57:41,359 --> 02:57:45,439
on item X. They also have to show us a

4415
02:57:43,520 --> 02:57:48,160
proof of payment that they spent that

4416
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:50,160
$5,000 on item X. So we try and go

4417
02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:52,240
through a vetting process with the

4418
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:54,399
invoices and then the invoices are

4419
02:57:52,240 --> 02:57:56,640
reviewed by multiple staff. So typically

4420
02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:58,399
they come in to Leila, they then go to

4421
02:57:56,640 --> 02:58:02,319
Angelina and then finally they're signed

4422
02:57:58,399 --> 02:58:04,160
up by me and then um program performance

4423
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:06,800
and outcomes are reported to the human

4424
02:58:04,160 --> 02:58:10,960
services commission. So all of that then

4425
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:12,960
you know uh we then give um

4426
02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:15,359
opportunities for the human services

4427
02:58:12,960 --> 02:58:17,040
commission to do site visits as well.

4428
02:58:15,359 --> 02:58:19,040
So, if they want to go visit some of

4429
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:21,439
these nonprofits and talk about how

4430
02:58:19,040 --> 02:58:23,680
they're utilizing the grant, um there's

4431
02:58:21,439 --> 02:58:26,000
opportunities to do that. And then I say

4432
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:28,880
and at the end of this, uh the human

4433
02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:32,240
services commission has also expressed

4434
02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:34,000
um concerns over the process. Um and

4435
02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:36,399
they created a process and procedure

4436
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:40,240
subcommittee that includes Gordon Bach,

4437
02:58:36,399 --> 02:58:42,640
Nathan Orc, and Harold Booker. and um we

4438
02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:44,319
had our first meeting and they got

4439
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:45,920
everything that you just heard in the

4440
02:58:44,319 --> 02:58:47,760
last five minutes. I don't know how on

4441
02:58:45,920 --> 02:58:50,720
the clock seems longer than five

4442
02:58:47,760 --> 02:58:52,640
minutes. Um but we're going to continue

4443
02:58:50,720 --> 02:58:54,399
working with them and as they see

4444
02:58:52,640 --> 02:58:56,399
opportunities for us to improve the

4445
02:58:54,399 --> 02:58:58,560
process. I think that we're trying to

4446
02:58:56,399 --> 02:59:01,840
work this issue with the commission as

4447
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:04,399
well to again um I think elevate the

4448
02:59:01,840 --> 02:59:06,800
level of comfort that the community has

4449
02:59:04,399 --> 02:59:09,760
that we are actually overseeing these in

4450
02:59:06,800 --> 02:59:09,760
a prudent way.

4451
02:59:11,600 --> 02:59:16,000
Okay,

4452
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:17,760
» I guess I'm I guess I'm in the So, a

4453
02:59:16,000 --> 02:59:21,279
couple Thank you very much. That that's

4454
02:59:17,760 --> 02:59:25,680
a great and uh great summary there.

4455
02:59:21,279 --> 02:59:27,439
Fantastic. Um one other you mentioned

4456
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:29,120
site visits. I think it'd be be

4457
02:59:27,439 --> 02:59:35,439
fantastic if sometimes with the site

4458
02:59:29,120 --> 02:59:38,720
visits if either the staff or um or the

4459
02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:40,479
uh commissions are doing site visits. Uh

4460
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:42,640
let council know see if any of us would

4461
02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:44,399
like to accompany on the site visit. You

4462
02:59:42,640 --> 02:59:45,760
know, most of the time I think the

4463
02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:47,680
answer will probably know we're busy

4464
02:59:45,760 --> 02:59:49,760
folks, but from time to time it'd be

4465
02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:51,760
great at least to be be aware of that.

4466
02:59:49,760 --> 02:59:53,279
» The site visits are fascinating. So,

4467
02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:55,359
we'll definitely let you guys know and

4468
02:59:53,279 --> 02:59:59,279
if any of you are interested, we'll just

4469
02:59:55,359 --> 03:00:00,880
hang on. And then, uh just lastly, uh

4470
02:59:59,279 --> 03:00:04,240
having served on the human services

4471
03:00:00,880 --> 03:00:06,080
commission uh for several years, uh

4472
03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:07,600
sometimes the the scoring of the

4473
03:00:06,080 --> 03:00:10,960
applications

4474
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:14,080
can be a uh you know, in education, they

4475
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:16,560
they talk about uh uh teachers teaching

4476
03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:18,720
to the test, you know, rather than

4477
03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:20,240
really teaching what needs to be taught.

4478
03:00:18,720 --> 03:00:21,920
I mean, hey, but what do I need to do to

4479
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:23,520
pass the test? And I think that

4480
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:25,600
sometimes with the the grant

4481
03:00:23,520 --> 03:00:27,920
applications, and I'm not sure what the

4482
03:00:25,600 --> 03:00:30,160
solution is to that, but I think that

4483
03:00:27,920 --> 03:00:32,720
there's a a a problem, and I have no

4484
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:35,840
idea what the solution is, but so often

4485
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:38,560
I think with the scoring, it comes to

4486
03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:40,479
how well they know how to write the

4487
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:43,120
grant applications and and and you

4488
03:00:40,479 --> 03:00:45,359
address some of that up here with uh

4489
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:48,319
providing technical assistance.

4490
03:00:45,359 --> 03:00:50,319
» So, and and and I I get that as well. I

4491
03:00:48,319 --> 03:00:52,720
don't know if there's a silver silver

4492
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:56,000
bullet for that. What we've done though

4493
03:00:52,720 --> 03:01:00,240
is in this last cycle is we made

4494
03:00:56,000 --> 03:01:02,160
presentations mandatory. So yes, you can

4495
03:01:00,240 --> 03:01:03,760
fill out an application and and maybe

4496
03:01:02,160 --> 03:01:06,399
you hire somebody who knows how to fill

4497
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:10,319
them out. Great. Or maybe conversely,

4498
03:01:06,399 --> 03:01:12,240
you're not a very um uh evolved

4499
03:01:10,319 --> 03:01:15,439
nonprofit and your your application's

4500
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:17,439
not very good. um the presentations that

4501
03:01:15,439 --> 03:01:20,160
they give where the commission can ask

4502
03:01:17,439 --> 03:01:24,080
them questions is another opportunity to

4503
03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:25,760
get another lens on each um nonprofit.

4504
03:01:24,080 --> 03:01:27,279
So um

4505
03:01:25,760 --> 03:01:30,920
» Excellent. Yes. All right. Thank you.

4506
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:30,920
Thank you very much.

4507
03:01:31,359 --> 03:01:35,040
» Thank you Keith for that. That was

4508
03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:37,520
actually really helpful to me to

4509
03:01:35,040 --> 03:01:40,640
understand the process of how we do this

4510
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:44,640
because there is a there is a concern in

4511
03:01:40,640 --> 03:01:47,600
the in the nation quite frankly and um

4512
03:01:44,640 --> 03:01:50,240
you know whether or not there's fraud or

4513
03:01:47,600 --> 03:01:53,120
or you know misuse it it doesn't matter

4514
03:01:50,240 --> 03:01:54,800
the perception is there and so uh I

4515
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:56,800
think taxpayers and the public they

4516
03:01:54,800 --> 03:01:58,479
expect their government to use taxpayer

4517
03:01:56,800 --> 03:02:01,520
money wisely and make sure there's no

4518
03:01:58,479 --> 03:02:02,960
misuse put guard rails in place uh due

4519
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:04,960
diligence

4520
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:07,760
uh you know it's it's not an attack,

4521
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:10,640
it's how we provide trust. And so that's

4522
03:02:07,760 --> 03:02:14,240
something that we need to definitely do.

4523
03:02:10,640 --> 03:02:16,160
Um and you know, as an elected

4524
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:20,080
representative of the people, the weight

4525
03:02:16,160 --> 03:02:22,560
on me is heavier than staff or a

4526
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:24,640
commission member because if if I

4527
03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:27,040
approve something and and then something

4528
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:28,560
goes wrong with that or there's fraud or

4529
03:02:27,040 --> 03:02:30,880
whatever,

4530
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:34,800
» I'm gonna be the one getting the emails.

4531
03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:36,160
And so, uh, I I will say that, you know,

4532
03:02:34,800 --> 03:02:38,160
if I don't feel comfortable with

4533
03:02:36,160 --> 03:02:40,479
something or if I haven't heard of, you

4534
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:43,680
know, a group, at the end of the day,

4535
03:02:40,479 --> 03:02:46,640
I'm I'm likely to vote present rather

4536
03:02:43,680 --> 03:02:47,680
than, you know, a or nay or yay because

4537
03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:51,520
because I just don't have the

4538
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:55,120
information. So, um,

4539
03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:57,439
I have a couple questions. Um,

4540
03:02:55,120 --> 03:03:00,080
you said that sometimes you do visits.

4541
03:02:57,439 --> 03:03:05,120
Why would you not always do visits? So

4542
03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:08,399
like for example um we routinely give um

4543
03:03:05,120 --> 03:03:11,120
grants to MSC and to Fusion. We know who

4544
03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:12,880
they are. We know what they do. Like a

4545
03:03:11,120 --> 03:03:14,720
site visit's not going to provide us any

4546
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:17,520
information that we don't already have.

4547
03:03:14,720 --> 03:03:18,880
» Okay. So so it's more of a um when you

4548
03:03:17,520 --> 03:03:20,479
say sometimes that's because you already

4549
03:03:18,880 --> 03:03:22,880
have established relationships. Okay,

4550
03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:25,600
that totally makes sense. Um and then

4551
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:28,399
also I would ask especially for the the

4552
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:32,080
brand new applications that people we

4553
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:34,080
haven't heard um how many applicants

4554
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:36,160
that are invited would you say just like

4555
03:03:34,080 --> 03:03:39,359
ballpark number how many actually show

4556
03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:41,359
up and you know take advantage of that

4557
03:03:39,359 --> 03:03:44,640
invite to present

4558
03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:47,600
» Um oh wow that's a great question and

4559
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:49,279
and I'm doing this from memory um and

4560
03:03:47,600 --> 03:03:51,840
the last time we had the presentations

4561
03:03:49,279 --> 03:03:53,359
were like August of last year that's

4562
03:03:51,840 --> 03:03:55,520
been in a while, but I'm going to guess

4563
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:57,040
we had probably

4564
03:03:55,520 --> 03:03:59,040
somewhere between 20 and 30

4565
03:03:57,040 --> 03:04:00,960
presentations uh that were done in the

4566
03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:03,520
council chambers to the human services

4567
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:04,800
commission. Um it was a lot, but that

4568
03:04:03,520 --> 03:04:06,800
gave them an opportunity to ask some

4569
03:04:04,800 --> 03:04:10,960
specific questions of each of them.

4570
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:12,640
» Okay. Yeah. I would just, you know, just

4571
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:14,560
I would encourage brand new applicants

4572
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:16,479
that we don't have relationships with to

4573
03:04:14,560 --> 03:04:19,520
to build those relationships because

4574
03:04:16,479 --> 03:04:22,800
like I said, me personally, I will

4575
03:04:19,520 --> 03:04:24,240
expect that in order to vote, you know,

4576
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:25,200
one way or the other.

4577
03:04:24,240 --> 03:04:28,160
» Thank you,

4578
03:04:25,200 --> 03:04:30,880
» Martin. And then Susan.

4579
03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:32,880
» Um yeah, [clears throat] you know, um

4580
03:04:30,880 --> 03:04:37,600
Keith, thank you so much uh for this

4581
03:04:32,880 --> 03:04:40,640
details. Um actually um I like that

4582
03:04:37,600 --> 03:04:43,279
Melissa uh that we should always be uh

4583
03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:46,080
seeking out new partnerships with new

4584
03:04:43,279 --> 03:04:48,560
not new but other nonprofits uh that are

4585
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:50,240
part of the solution um that you know

4586
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:53,359
the human services are tasked with and

4587
03:04:50,240 --> 03:04:56,560
what our vision is in terms of solving

4588
03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:59,279
our crisis you know of food insecurities

4589
03:04:56,560 --> 03:05:02,080
or homelessness or whatnot or housing or

4590
03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:03,840
anything relating to human services. Um,

4591
03:05:02,080 --> 03:05:06,399
you know, I I appreciate Council Member

4592
03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:08,560
uh Walsh uh I know this is another topic

4593
03:05:06,399 --> 03:05:11,680
that you and I discussed and putting and

4594
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:13,520
preparing to put this agenda forward. Uh

4595
03:05:11,680 --> 03:05:16,080
and and I value it. I I think this is a

4596
03:05:13,520 --> 03:05:18,800
really good uh point. Uh obviously

4597
03:05:16,080 --> 03:05:22,880
there's a lot going on in in the United

4598
03:05:18,800 --> 03:05:25,120
States and uh and I think that um

4599
03:05:22,880 --> 03:05:28,160
reminds us that we need to be really due

4600
03:05:25,120 --> 03:05:30,479
diligent uh and being good stewards of

4601
03:05:28,160 --> 03:05:32,880
the public money, my money, everybody's

4602
03:05:30,479 --> 03:05:35,040
money. Um and so I think it's it's

4603
03:05:32,880 --> 03:05:37,600
really imperative that that stays at the

4604
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:40,479
forefront. And you know obviously you

4605
03:05:37,600 --> 03:05:42,319
know um

4606
03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:45,120
we just you know I think the only thing

4607
03:05:42,319 --> 03:05:47,920
I just want to be extremely cautious and

4608
03:05:45,120 --> 03:05:50,560
uh vig absolutely vigilant about is that

4609
03:05:47,920 --> 03:05:52,960
we're doing that all across the board

4610
03:05:50,560 --> 03:05:54,880
with everybody. Uh and I think sometimes

4611
03:05:52,960 --> 03:05:56,399
the tendency is with whatever is

4612
03:05:54,880 --> 03:06:00,479
happening in the United States that gets

4613
03:05:56,399 --> 03:06:03,200
hyper uh um

4614
03:06:00,479 --> 03:06:06,160
active uh with whatever uh item that may

4615
03:06:03,200 --> 03:06:09,439
be and and that you know obviously I

4616
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:11,200
worry that that may drive things here um

4617
03:06:09,439 --> 03:06:13,760
inevitably and and sometimes it's hard

4618
03:06:11,200 --> 03:06:15,120
to stay away from that but but um I just

4619
03:06:13,760 --> 03:06:17,120
you know when we're focused here in

4620
03:06:15,120 --> 03:06:19,279
federal uh I want to make sure that

4621
03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:22,080
we're just being really sensitive to

4622
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:25,120
making sure that uh we are being uh

4623
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:26,800
diligent uh about dividing everything.

4624
03:06:25,120 --> 03:06:30,160
Uh cuz at the end of the day, I I get

4625
03:06:26,800 --> 03:06:32,399
it. I mean, we're all elected to um do

4626
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:35,439
the job to to really uh be sensitive

4627
03:06:32,399 --> 03:06:37,200
with the public's money. Um but also, I

4628
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:39,359
want to make sure that we're being fair,

4629
03:06:37,200 --> 03:06:42,880
that we're also being that we're

4630
03:06:39,359 --> 03:06:45,840
inviting new partnerships. uh because

4631
03:06:42,880 --> 03:06:47,359
you know the saying in my mind has been

4632
03:06:45,840 --> 03:06:49,680
there the answers lie within the

4633
03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:51,760
community and there's a lot of awesome

4634
03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:55,040
talent within our community here that

4635
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:56,240
are part of the uh solution. Uh so uh

4636
03:06:55,040 --> 03:06:58,960
that's the only thing I kind of wanted

4637
03:06:56,240 --> 03:07:01,120
to add to this u conversation of of the

4638
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:03,279
vetting and and oversight and and I do

4639
03:07:01,120 --> 03:07:05,120
think that I wonder you know the scoring

4640
03:07:03,279 --> 03:07:07,359
system of the human services. I don't

4641
03:07:05,120 --> 03:07:10,880
know if it's changed since or if since

4642
03:07:07,359 --> 03:07:13,680
I've been gone on my on my sobatical,

4643
03:07:10,880 --> 03:07:16,800
but um you know, I wonder if that needs

4644
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:18,240
to be reooked, revamped, and simplified.

4645
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:20,080
I don't know, just a thought that kind

4646
03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:21,520
of comes to my mind when uh Council

4647
03:07:20,080 --> 03:07:23,680
Member Walsh was sharing his thoughts on

4648
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:24,720
that. So, thank you,

4649
03:07:23,680 --> 03:07:28,479
» Susan.

4650
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:31,359
» Uh thank you. So many years ago, I ran

4651
03:07:28,479 --> 03:07:34,160
the PTSA clothing bank and we applied

4652
03:07:31,359 --> 03:07:36,399
for money from the city, but we were

4653
03:07:34,160 --> 03:07:38,319
always required to give a presentation.

4654
03:07:36,399 --> 03:07:40,479
So that is no longer required.

4655
03:07:38,319 --> 03:07:41,040
» It went away and now it's back.

4656
03:07:40,479 --> 03:07:46,479
» Okay.

4657
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:50,240
» So um it is um it got reinstated

4658
03:07:46,479 --> 03:07:52,960
last year. Um but prior to that they

4659
03:07:50,240 --> 03:07:55,520
were asking for presentations. there was

4660
03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:59,279
a a certain perspective right or wrong

4661
03:07:55,520 --> 03:08:02,479
that um they should be

4662
03:07:59,279 --> 03:08:05,520
uh evaluated based on their applications

4663
03:08:02,479 --> 03:08:07,920
alone and I don't necessarily support

4664
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:10,560
that perspective which is why we moved

4665
03:08:07,920 --> 03:08:12,479
in a different direction. So the the

4666
03:08:10,560 --> 03:08:14,640
presentations are back and I think the

4667
03:08:12,479 --> 03:08:16,399
commission uh appreciates the

4668
03:08:14,640 --> 03:08:18,240
presentations

4669
03:08:16,399 --> 03:08:20,399
» Which is good because that it was a way

4670
03:08:18,240 --> 03:08:23,840
that for new people on the commission

4671
03:08:20,399 --> 03:08:25,040
they would learn what we did and why we

4672
03:08:23,840 --> 03:08:28,080
deserve the money.

4673
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:31,120
» So um you know it was a hassle at times

4674
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:32,479
but you know it was what it was. So I'm

4675
03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:34,560
I'm glad that they're back. I didn't

4676
03:08:32,479 --> 03:08:37,880
know that they had gone away.

4677
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:37,880
» Great Lydia.

4678
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:45,439
» Yeah. Thank you. Um so with the um

4679
03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:48,240
scoring and the the different criterias

4680
03:08:45,439 --> 03:08:49,840
and the different pots of money um and I

4681
03:08:48,240 --> 03:08:52,160
know there's a lot of money that that

4682
03:08:49,840 --> 03:08:53,920
goes into capital projects or whatever

4683
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:56,560
you want to call it. Um I don't know

4684
03:08:53,920 --> 03:08:59,040
what that criteria really is called, but

4685
03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:01,680
I'm wondering um as we're also looking

4686
03:08:59,040 --> 03:09:04,160
at future to see what the current

4687
03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:06,560
pressing need is and then maybe

4688
03:09:04,160 --> 03:09:09,120
reallocate those funds to to meet those

4689
03:09:06,560 --> 03:09:11,840
needs because we've been funding MSSE

4690
03:09:09,120 --> 03:09:14,160
and and like Fusion

4691
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:16,000
for how many years? How many thousands

4692
03:09:14,160 --> 03:09:17,680
of you know hundreds of thousands of

4693
03:09:16,000 --> 03:09:19,359
dollars

4694
03:09:17,680 --> 03:09:20,800
which I think could be used? There's

4695
03:09:19,359 --> 03:09:22,720
there's a need and there's a time for

4696
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:24,800
that. But then I think there's also

4697
03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:27,680
where you should evolve and and shift

4698
03:09:24,800 --> 03:09:29,359
with the need of the community. Um just

4699
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:31,520
like we got the new funds for the uh

4700
03:09:29,359 --> 03:09:34,800
food and security. It could be a time

4701
03:09:31,520 --> 03:09:36,319
when we have to kind of navigate and

4702
03:09:34,800 --> 03:09:37,120
move those around. So that would be my

4703
03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:39,760
recommendation.

4704
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:41,680
» Absolutely.

4705
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:43,279
» Can you please use your mic? Oh,

4706
03:09:41,680 --> 03:09:46,319
» Sorry.

4707
03:09:43,279 --> 03:09:48,240
» Thought it was on. Um absolutely. I

4708
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:50,479
think, you know, so the way that the

4709
03:09:48,240 --> 03:09:53,279
scoring works right now is based on the

4710
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:57,040
priorities that have been set up um by

4711
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:58,720
the council um a long time ago and and I

4712
03:09:57,040 --> 03:10:01,040
think and and one of the suggestions

4713
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:03,359
that was made uh by a recent past

4714
03:10:01,040 --> 03:10:05,520
council member is well maybe maybe we

4715
03:10:03,359 --> 03:10:08,640
should take the CDBG monies and use it

4716
03:10:05,520 --> 03:10:11,600
for land acquisition for housing or for

4717
03:10:08,640 --> 03:10:13,200
helping a nonprofit housing builder. Um

4718
03:10:11,600 --> 03:10:15,760
which is not what we're doing now. We're

4719
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:18,560
doing it for home repair. Um, but that's

4720
03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:21,200
a policy conversation of the council and

4721
03:10:18,560 --> 03:10:23,359
if uh if the parks, wreck, human

4722
03:10:21,200 --> 03:10:26,800
services uh public safety committee

4723
03:10:23,359 --> 03:10:29,600
wants to have a conversation about um

4724
03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:32,399
reassessing priorities. Um that is

4725
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:34,640
absolutely something that could be done.

4726
03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:37,200
» Um okay. Uh with that, let's actually

4727
03:10:34,640 --> 03:10:39,520
before we get to our uh city attorney,

4728
03:10:37,200 --> 03:10:41,120
um uh council president, you want to or

4729
03:10:39,520 --> 03:10:42,479
sorry, Martin, you want to talk about

4730
03:10:41,120 --> 03:10:44,399
this generally before we get started?

4731
03:10:42,479 --> 03:10:46,080
Actually, if it's okay with you, mayor,

4732
03:10:44,399 --> 03:10:48,319
um I'd like Ryan to kind of just run

4733
03:10:46,080 --> 03:10:49,680
down what the policy is and then I'll

4734
03:10:48,319 --> 03:10:51,279
just chime in and then I think council

4735
03:10:49,680 --> 03:10:53,520
will have a discussion if that's okay.

4736
03:10:51,279 --> 03:10:56,160
» Very good. Absolutely. Ryan.

4737
03:10:53,520 --> 03:10:58,640
» Okay. Uh good morning everybody. I have

4738
03:10:56,160 --> 03:11:00,160
three slides and um we're starting off

4739
03:10:58,640 --> 03:11:03,840
with everyone's favorite thing which is

4740
03:11:00,160 --> 03:11:05,439
a a case um which kind of um outlines

4741
03:11:03,840 --> 03:11:08,240
the rules that we're playing under here.

4742
03:11:05,439 --> 03:11:10,960
So the case comes out of Boston. Um they

4743
03:11:08,240 --> 03:11:13,439
kind of stumbled into flying flags. They

4744
03:11:10,960 --> 03:11:15,200
didn't have a written policy. Um, it was

4745
03:11:13,439 --> 03:11:18,479
kind of a a thing I think that evolved

4746
03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:20,319
over time. And so, um, they didn't have

4747
03:11:18,479 --> 03:11:22,399
any real government input. They were

4748
03:11:20,319 --> 03:11:25,680
basically letting whoever asked fly a

4749
03:11:22,399 --> 03:11:27,359
flag. Um, at some point someone flying a

4750
03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:28,640
Christian wanted to fly a Christian flag

4751
03:11:27,359 --> 03:11:31,920
as how it's described in the case. I'm

4752
03:11:28,640 --> 03:11:34,479
not sure exactly what that was, but um,

4753
03:11:31,920 --> 03:11:36,319
the powers of be in Boston decided that

4754
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:37,520
that might be a problem. um they had

4755
03:11:36,319 --> 03:11:39,439
concerns with the establishment clause

4756
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:41,840
of the US Constitution which in

4757
03:11:39,439 --> 03:11:43,920
retrospect is probably not a valid

4758
03:11:41,840 --> 03:11:47,840
concern that they had. Um religious

4759
03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:49,760
groups can can be u represented in the

4760
03:11:47,840 --> 03:11:50,960
community just like anyone else. Um but

4761
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:52,720
that wasn't the issue the Supreme Court

4762
03:11:50,960 --> 03:11:55,920
had. The issue the Supreme Court had was

4763
03:11:52,720 --> 03:11:57,520
when they were denied um basically

4764
03:11:55,920 --> 03:11:58,880
um

4765
03:11:57,520 --> 03:12:02,240
they did not believe that this was

4766
03:11:58,880 --> 03:12:04,399
governmental speech. So free speech um

4767
03:12:02,240 --> 03:12:06,399
is the right of all of us under the

4768
03:12:04,399 --> 03:12:08,319
first amendment anytime there's a a

4769
03:12:06,399 --> 03:12:10,720
public forum and we need to treat all

4770
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:14,640
viewpoints equally as the government in

4771
03:12:10,720 --> 03:12:16,319
that uh in that regard. However um there

4772
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:18,960
are times where the government is going

4773
03:12:16,319 --> 03:12:20,720
to speak its viewpoint and in those case

4774
03:12:18,960 --> 03:12:22,240
the government can control speech. The

4775
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:25,040
the government control can control the

4776
03:12:22,240 --> 03:12:26,319
message because it's not a public forum.

4777
03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:28,080
it's actually the government's

4778
03:12:26,319 --> 03:12:30,560
representatives representatives or the

4779
03:12:28,080 --> 03:12:33,520
government's officials um expressing the

4780
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:36,160
government's position on a topic. So um

4781
03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:38,319
the takeaway of this case was basically

4782
03:12:36,160 --> 03:12:40,319
if we are going to discriminate if we

4783
03:12:38,319 --> 03:12:43,439
are going to and that's not meant a

4784
03:12:40,319 --> 03:12:46,080
pjorative way discriminate meaning allow

4785
03:12:43,439 --> 03:12:48,479
some flags to fly and not others the

4786
03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:51,520
final decision needs to be made by the

4787
03:12:48,479 --> 03:12:53,279
government or in pursuit or the city

4788
03:12:51,520 --> 03:12:56,160
officials can do it in pursuit of a

4789
03:12:53,279 --> 03:12:58,399
policy that is described by uh the

4790
03:12:56,160 --> 03:13:00,479
elected officials. What we cannot do is

4791
03:12:58,399 --> 03:13:02,080
leave this decision up to the public

4792
03:13:00,479 --> 03:13:05,040
because if the public is going to decide

4793
03:13:02,080 --> 03:13:07,040
what flags fly, then all flags will fly.

4794
03:13:05,040 --> 03:13:09,520
There there is no way to discriminate

4795
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:11,120
between them. And that sounds pretty

4796
03:13:09,520 --> 03:13:14,399
innocuous until you start to actually

4797
03:13:11,120 --> 03:13:16,479
try to apply that policy. Um having a

4798
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:19,279
discussion on whether or not to fly the

4799
03:13:16,479 --> 03:13:21,520
Palestinian flag or the Israel flag um

4800
03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:24,479
would probably

4801
03:13:21,520 --> 03:13:26,560
never come to a fruitful end. we would

4802
03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:28,960
probably just talk about it forever and

4803
03:13:26,560 --> 03:13:30,479
be frustrated and walk away. But um

4804
03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:32,399
that's just one example. There are lots

4805
03:13:30,479 --> 03:13:35,279
of times where people honestly trying to

4806
03:13:32,399 --> 03:13:37,760
make a point uh will be contentious and

4807
03:13:35,279 --> 03:13:41,600
and that is part of free speech. Um to

4808
03:13:37,760 --> 03:13:43,200
avoid that often is the goal of of the

4809
03:13:41,600 --> 03:13:45,920
bureaucrats and and the people that run

4810
03:13:43,200 --> 03:13:49,439
the city. And so uh we wanted a a

4811
03:13:45,920 --> 03:13:51,760
policy. So moving on to pass the the

4812
03:13:49,439 --> 03:13:55,279
current policy is um was recently

4813
03:13:51,760 --> 03:13:57,120
adopted and it is very simple. It is we

4814
03:13:55,279 --> 03:14:00,399
don't fly any flags but governmental

4815
03:13:57,120 --> 03:14:02,720
flags. So um the US flag, the Washington

4816
03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:04,960
state flag and those two are required by

4817
03:14:02,720 --> 03:14:06,399
state law. Federal the federal way city

4818
03:14:04,960 --> 03:14:07,760
flag was also included because it's

4819
03:14:06,399 --> 03:14:10,479
always been flown. We've got a third

4820
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:12,000
flag pole and we have a flag. So um

4821
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:15,760
council decided that it should fly. And

4822
03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:18,239
then statute also um asks us to fly the

4823
03:14:15,760 --> 03:14:20,720
PM MIA flag at certain times of the

4824
03:14:18,239 --> 03:14:22,479
year. So that's the the current

4825
03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:24,160
practice. Then we started thinking about

4826
03:14:22,479 --> 03:14:25,520
what it means to fly no flags and we

4827
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:27,439
realized we had other flags in the city

4828
03:14:25,520 --> 03:14:29,920
that we still wanted to fly. So it

4829
03:14:27,439 --> 03:14:32,640
wasn't an absolute rule. We carved out

4830
03:14:29,920 --> 03:14:34,880
an exception for the Veterans Memorial

4831
03:14:32,640 --> 03:14:37,439
um as well as all of the flags uh in

4832
03:14:34,880 --> 03:14:39,200
front of the the pool there on um what's

4833
03:14:37,439 --> 03:14:42,000
the name of that street?

4834
03:14:39,200 --> 03:14:43,439
» Campus Drive. Uh so we carved out two

4835
03:14:42,000 --> 03:14:45,600
exceptions. So it's still even now not

4836
03:14:43,439 --> 03:14:48,080
an absolute rule. But um that's the

4837
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:49,840
policy. The previous policy is

4838
03:14:48,080 --> 03:14:52,800
interesting in that it was kind of it

4839
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:55,359
was us trying to follow the Boston case.

4840
03:14:52,800 --> 03:14:57,359
Um but I don't think we could reach

4841
03:14:55,359 --> 03:14:58,880
consensus at the council level on how to

4842
03:14:57,359 --> 03:15:01,680
make the decision. And at some point

4843
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:03,760
council basically decided to defer the

4844
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:06,399
ultimate decision to the mayor. And so

4845
03:15:03,760 --> 03:15:08,080
this was not a policy that was in a

4846
03:15:06,399 --> 03:15:11,520
resolution by a council. It was a

4847
03:15:08,080 --> 03:15:13,200
mayoral polic. Um, it clearly stated at

4848
03:15:11,520 --> 03:15:15,120
the top that it was a limited forum,

4849
03:15:13,200 --> 03:15:17,680
meaning that this is not a public forum.

4850
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:20,160
The flags were meant to to represent

4851
03:15:17,680 --> 03:15:21,600
government speech. Um, and that if

4852
03:15:20,160 --> 03:15:23,439
people wanted to fly a flag, they could

4853
03:15:21,600 --> 03:15:25,600
apply to the mayor's office. And the

4854
03:15:23,439 --> 03:15:28,080
only time we would fly a flag is if it

4855
03:15:25,600 --> 03:15:31,600
was accompanied by basically the mayor

4856
03:15:28,080 --> 03:15:33,600
deciding to um to express that through a

4857
03:15:31,600 --> 03:15:37,439
mayoral proclamation.

4858
03:15:33,600 --> 03:15:39,760
So what that did was allowed us to um

4859
03:15:37,439 --> 03:15:41,840
choose who whose flag to fly and whose

4860
03:15:39,760 --> 03:15:44,560
flag not to fly. And when I say we, the

4861
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:46,239
mayor was making that choice. So that

4862
03:15:44,560 --> 03:15:49,120
was the past policy and it was meant to

4863
03:15:46,239 --> 03:15:52,399
conform with the case law but still

4864
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:55,200
allow us some discretion um to fly some

4865
03:15:52,399 --> 03:15:56,560
flags and not others. So that is it. I'm

4866
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:58,239
happy to answer any questions, but I

4867
03:15:56,560 --> 03:15:59,760
think we're more interested in what you

4868
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:01,359
have to say about this.

4869
03:15:59,760 --> 03:16:05,279
» Okay.

4870
03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:07,520
All right. Uh Martin Thank you. Um,

4871
03:16:05,279 --> 03:16:09,600
thank you, Ryan. Uh, I'm sure, uh, this

4872
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:12,399
is the best part of your job talking

4873
03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:15,200
about issues like this. Uh, as as with

4874
03:16:12,399 --> 03:16:16,479
all issues, I should say. Um, so can you

4875
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:19,200
actually I have a question before I have

4876
03:16:16,479 --> 03:16:21,439
a statement if that's okay. Uh, how how

4877
03:16:19,200 --> 03:16:23,600
is this new policy brought up? Can you

4878
03:16:21,439 --> 03:16:26,560
walk me through the process?

4879
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:29,439
» Uh, a council member did not like the

4880
03:16:26,560 --> 03:16:30,239
the other policy and made a motion and

4881
03:16:29,439 --> 03:16:31,680
it passed.

4882
03:16:30,239 --> 03:16:33,600
» So, it did not go to committees.

4883
03:16:31,680 --> 03:16:35,120
» It did not. It was directly was

4884
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:37,279
implemented by a council member and

4885
03:16:35,120 --> 03:16:38,160
voted on at a regular council meeting.

4886
03:16:37,279 --> 03:16:40,560
» Certainly, I hear what you're saying,

4887
03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:42,479
but it did not go through commissions.

4888
03:16:40,560 --> 03:16:44,319
» And it just brought on by a council

4889
03:16:42,479 --> 03:16:45,760
member and brought on to the correct

4890
03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:47,520
» And and that's part of our rules that

4891
03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:49,680
that you know, two council members can

4892
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:50,399
bring anything up to and walked on to

4893
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:50,720
the agenda.

4894
03:16:50,399 --> 03:16:52,800
» Yes.

4895
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:53,920
» And I It was not walked on, right? It

4896
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:55,120
was established.

4897
03:16:53,920 --> 03:16:56,880
» I'm sorry. It wasn't walked on. It was

4898
03:16:55,120 --> 03:16:58,479
It went through agenda setting. Two

4899
03:16:56,880 --> 03:17:00,239
council members supported it. Yep.

4900
03:16:58,479 --> 03:17:02,720
» And pursuant to council rules, it was

4901
03:17:00,239 --> 03:17:04,319
put on the agenda. Okay. Well, Mr.

4902
03:17:02,720 --> 03:17:08,000
Mayor, I'm just going to begin with a a

4903
03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:09,920
written statement. Um, and in there, I I

4904
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:12,080
think it has

4905
03:17:09,920 --> 03:17:14,479
what I would like to see. Uh, but

4906
03:17:12,080 --> 03:17:18,080
certainly I'm I'm intrigued with what uh

4907
03:17:14,479 --> 03:17:19,520
my my colleagues think. Um, and I'll

4908
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:21,520
start by saying that I wanted to bring

4909
03:17:19,520 --> 03:17:23,359
forward this issue of our ceremonial

4910
03:17:21,520 --> 03:17:25,520
flag policy and discuss it here

4911
03:17:23,359 --> 03:17:28,000
obviously at the council retreat because

4912
03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:29,359
this is exactly the setting where we

4913
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:31,760
should be working through community

4914
03:17:29,359 --> 03:17:35,200
impacting decisions thoughtfully and of

4915
03:17:31,760 --> 03:17:38,640
course constructively. Um, and I also

4916
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:40,800
want to acknowledge that um, the way

4917
03:17:38,640 --> 03:17:43,040
this issue was introduced, as I just

4918
03:17:40,800 --> 03:17:45,840
indicated through some of my questions

4919
03:17:43,040 --> 03:17:48,960
and advanced previously did not really

4920
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:51,040
feel open, or transparent. Uh, and it

4921
03:17:48,960 --> 03:17:54,000
moved faster than it should have for

4922
03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:57,359
something that affects uh, how members

4923
03:17:54,000 --> 03:18:01,040
of our community feel seen, valued, and

4924
03:17:57,359 --> 03:18:03,680
represented. whether or not uh that was

4925
03:18:01,040 --> 03:18:07,359
the intent, the outcome was a process

4926
03:18:03,680 --> 03:18:09,520
that felt rushed and that is uh not the

4927
03:18:07,359 --> 03:18:11,200
standard we should hold ourselves to.

4928
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:14,560
And I'm speaking from the perspective

4929
03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:17,120
that I was a a citizen, a resident at

4930
03:18:14,560 --> 03:18:19,040
the time, a non-elected official. So

4931
03:18:17,120 --> 03:18:21,200
ceremonial flags like the pride flag

4932
03:18:19,040 --> 03:18:23,840
during pride month or the juneenth flag

4933
03:18:21,200 --> 03:18:26,720
in June and other flags tied to

4934
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:29,680
recognized heritage and uh community

4935
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:33,120
observance are one way our city reflects

4936
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:36,239
the people who live here.

4937
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:39,200
These recognitions do not replace our

4938
03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:40,960
permanent government flags. Uh they

4939
03:18:39,200 --> 03:18:43,920
complement them by acknowledging the

4940
03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:46,080
diversity of our community. That's why

4941
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:47,840
my request, it's what I'm thinking is

4942
03:18:46,080 --> 03:18:50,399
going through my mind is pretty darn

4943
03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:52,239
straightforward. Uh we should reinstate

4944
03:18:50,399 --> 03:18:54,160
I would like to see us reinstate the

4945
03:18:52,239 --> 03:18:56,160
ceremonial flag policy while the

4946
03:18:54,160 --> 03:18:57,760
diversity commission conducts a full

4947
03:18:56,160 --> 03:19:01,680
review and brings forward

4948
03:18:57,760 --> 03:19:03,600
recommendations uh for an updated policy

4949
03:19:01,680 --> 03:19:06,239
uh include the appropriate process and

4950
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:07,760
locations for ceremonial flag raisings.

4951
03:19:06,239 --> 03:19:09,520
referring this to the diversity

4952
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:12,239
commission will allow for a deeper

4953
03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:14,960
discussion, community input, and a more

4954
03:19:12,239 --> 03:19:16,960
transparent process. Then once the

4955
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:18,720
commission returns uh with

4956
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:21,520
recommendations, the council can then

4957
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:24,720
have a focused and informed conversation

4958
03:19:21,520 --> 03:19:25,760
and taking action uh with clarity. And I

4959
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:28,319
think that's really important. We've

4960
03:19:25,760 --> 03:19:30,800
heard good ideas from my colleagues here

4961
03:19:28,319 --> 03:19:32,880
from former council member Jack Dovy to

4962
03:19:30,800 --> 03:19:35,920
uh I believe others on this dis saying

4963
03:19:32,880 --> 03:19:38,399
that a flag pavilion uh would be a great

4964
03:19:35,920 --> 03:19:39,760
thing. You know, uh I know that I would

4965
03:19:38,399 --> 03:19:41,760
like us to entertain the idea of

4966
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:44,319
reaching out to Sound Transit, seeing if

4967
03:19:41,760 --> 03:19:46,960
if they can look at a piece of uh a

4968
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:49,279
piece of property that can be uh given

4969
03:19:46,960 --> 03:19:51,520
to celebrate the what makes our

4970
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:54,960
community so darn special, the diversity

4971
03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:58,000
of it all. Uh, and so, uh, there's good

4972
03:19:54,960 --> 03:20:00,080
ideas that have I've already heard and

4973
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:02,640
I'd like us to revisit, relook at this

4974
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:06,319
and have a meaningful outcome that's not

4975
03:20:02,640 --> 03:20:09,680
rushed, that's not, uh, uh, that goes

4976
03:20:06,319 --> 03:20:11,920
through a proper vetted process. Um, and

4977
03:20:09,680 --> 03:20:13,359
so that's where my thoughts are and and

4978
03:20:11,920 --> 03:20:15,439
I I'm definitely curious what my

4979
03:20:13,359 --> 03:20:17,840
colleagues think, but I really hope that

4980
03:20:15,439 --> 03:20:19,359
there's a consensus on sending it back

4981
03:20:17,840 --> 03:20:22,000
to the diversity commission, let them

4982
03:20:19,359 --> 03:20:24,960
work on it and potentially reinstate the

4983
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:28,239
policy u until, uh, they come up with a

4984
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:29,760
recommendation. Um, so, uh, thank you so

4985
03:20:28,239 --> 03:20:32,160
much to my colleagues.

4986
03:20:29,760 --> 03:20:34,880
» Okay. Uh, Lydia

4987
03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:36,479
and then less than Melissa.

4988
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:39,359
» Yeah, thank you Martin and thank you for

4989
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:40,880
bringing this up. Um,

4990
03:20:39,359 --> 03:20:43,920
I think it's so important that we

4991
03:20:40,880 --> 03:20:46,239
revisit. Um, and I do like the flag

4992
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:48,399
pavilion idea. I like and I'm just

4993
03:20:46,239 --> 03:20:50,399
supporting because I the public did say

4994
03:20:48,399 --> 03:20:52,319
we want to discuss this. We want it to

4995
03:20:50,399 --> 03:20:53,680
be brought up brought back to the

4996
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:55,840
community and they wanted community

4997
03:20:53,680 --> 03:20:58,000
input. So I think starting with the

4998
03:20:55,840 --> 03:20:59,520
diversity commission and hopefully it

4999
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:02,319
would be well advertised for other

5000
03:20:59,520 --> 03:21:04,080
people to also give input um for their

5001
03:21:02,319 --> 03:21:05,680
recommendation and that going to the

5002
03:21:04,080 --> 03:21:07,680
parks recreation human services

5003
03:21:05,680 --> 03:21:09,359
committee before it goes to council I

5004
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:12,399
think would be a great idea. But I do

5005
03:21:09,359 --> 03:21:13,920
like the flag pavilion um idea. And what

5006
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:15,840
I'm envisioning as we're talking about

5007
03:21:13,920 --> 03:21:18,319
it is have all the different flags from

5008
03:21:15,840 --> 03:21:22,000
different countries, but then have a

5009
03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:24,560
couple of flags that are um empty so

5010
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:26,640
that you could do whatever other flags

5011
03:21:24,560 --> 03:21:30,239
that the

5012
03:21:26,640 --> 03:21:31,920
um council votes on. Um and so having

5013
03:21:30,239 --> 03:21:35,600
those there and then maybe city hall

5014
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:38,720
just be free of um any controversial or

5015
03:21:35,600 --> 03:21:42,000
different issues that come up because of

5016
03:21:38,720 --> 03:21:45,120
flags being reason and having it a city

5017
03:21:42,000 --> 03:21:46,800
hall usually doesn't even matter because

5018
03:21:45,120 --> 03:21:49,200
not too many people come to city hall

5019
03:21:46,800 --> 03:21:50,640
unless they have a business to be there.

5020
03:21:49,200 --> 03:21:55,520
So, I think that's why I really support

5021
03:21:50,640 --> 03:22:00,560
a flag um pavilion and hopefully around

5022
03:21:55,520 --> 03:22:02,319
the new um TC3 or you know, so downtown

5023
03:22:00,560 --> 03:22:03,200
core somewhere.

5024
03:22:02,319 --> 03:22:07,080
» Thank you.

5025
03:22:03,200 --> 03:22:07,080
» All right, Les,

5026
03:22:09,840 --> 03:22:17,279
» I'll keep it really short and simple. I

5027
03:22:13,600 --> 03:22:21,600
do support the concept of a flag

5028
03:22:17,279 --> 03:22:24,319
pavilion. I think it would be um

5029
03:22:21,600 --> 03:22:28,640
a great way to honor many different

5030
03:22:24,319 --> 03:22:32,399
cultures, many different people. Um

5031
03:22:28,640 --> 03:22:35,520
uh and I say this with

5032
03:22:32,399 --> 03:22:37,840
all of the sincerity in the world. I

5033
03:22:35,520 --> 03:22:41,520
believe that uh flags are important for

5034
03:22:37,840 --> 03:22:43,200
people to look up to. Uh they symbolize

5035
03:22:41,520 --> 03:22:46,960
a lot of different values and

5036
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:50,640
principles. Um, if that were to come

5037
03:22:46,960 --> 03:22:53,439
into fruition, uh, then obviously we're

5038
03:22:50,640 --> 03:22:57,760
going to have to talk about how to fund

5039
03:22:53,439 --> 03:23:01,520
it and, uh, that's another story. But,

5040
03:22:57,760 --> 03:23:04,800
um, legally, I could see why we are in

5041
03:23:01,520 --> 03:23:10,000
this position. Uh, someone,

5042
03:23:04,800 --> 03:23:13,840
uh, had expressed, uh,

5043
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:17,680
negativity about our former policy. I

5044
03:23:13,840 --> 03:23:20,960
don't agree with that uh viewpoint. Um I

5045
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:23,600
believe the diversity commission uh is

5046
03:23:20,960 --> 03:23:27,200
should be charged with reexploring this

5047
03:23:23,600 --> 03:23:30,000
idea uh looking at it from all angles.

5048
03:23:27,200 --> 03:23:34,479
Um what comes to mind though is a worry

5049
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:36,399
I have about uh organizations that I

5050
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:40,319
don't necessarily

5051
03:23:36,399 --> 03:23:44,319
agree with and they may be like what

5052
03:23:40,319 --> 03:23:47,920
happened in Oklahoma a satanic group had

5053
03:23:44,319 --> 03:23:51,600
the right to express their opinion

5054
03:23:47,920 --> 03:23:53,120
through u their form of a a Bible or

5055
03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:55,040
some

5056
03:23:53,120 --> 03:23:57,359
controversial thing. I'm sure you're

5057
03:23:55,040 --> 03:24:01,200
aware of that. But

5058
03:23:57,359 --> 03:24:02,800
if we go back to the former policy, then

5059
03:24:01,200 --> 03:24:06,399
that's something that we're going to

5060
03:24:02,800 --> 03:24:10,560
have to contend with because all people

5061
03:24:06,399 --> 03:24:13,040
uh will uh have a voice, I guess, even

5062
03:24:10,560 --> 03:24:14,560
them.

5063
03:24:13,040 --> 03:24:16,800
» Yeah. So, just to be clear, the whole

5064
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:19,600
the whole entire point of the previous

5065
03:24:16,800 --> 03:24:21,680
policy was to avoid that scenario. So we

5066
03:24:19,600 --> 03:24:23,200
do not have to let the Satanist fly

5067
03:24:21,680 --> 03:24:25,760
their flag because the government

5068
03:24:23,200 --> 03:24:27,680
decides what flags to fly. If we defer

5069
03:24:25,760 --> 03:24:30,880
to the community and let citizens decide

5070
03:24:27,680 --> 03:24:32,399
which flags to fly, all flags must fly.

5071
03:24:30,880 --> 03:24:33,439
» So that's where the distinction is. So

5072
03:24:32,399 --> 03:24:34,560
it's fine to send it back to the

5073
03:24:33,439 --> 03:24:36,080
diversity commission and get their

5074
03:24:34,560 --> 03:24:38,319
opinion on things. But at the end of the

5075
03:24:36,080 --> 03:24:41,120
day, this group or if you want to

5076
03:24:38,319 --> 03:24:42,800
delegate it to the mayor must decide

5077
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:44,640
what flags to fly

5078
03:24:42,800 --> 03:24:45,520
» On each one. Thank you for that

5079
03:24:44,640 --> 03:24:46,720
clarification.

5080
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:47,920
» Yeah. And actually, thanks. Well, that

5081
03:24:46,720 --> 03:24:49,520
thank you for that question, Les,

5082
03:24:47,920 --> 03:24:51,520
because I think that really, you know,

5083
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:53,200
made it very clear and you know, and

5084
03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:54,399
there were times in which I received I'm

5085
03:24:53,200 --> 03:24:54,960
sorry, I'm going to call on Martin

5086
03:24:54,399 --> 03:24:57,520
second,

5087
03:24:54,960 --> 03:24:59,520
» But oh, sorry, Melissa next. Um, there

5088
03:24:57,520 --> 03:25:01,279
were several times in which I received

5089
03:24:59,520 --> 03:25:03,680
some controversial requests. I just had

5090
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:06,080
to say, I'm sorry, I can't do that. Um,

5091
03:25:03,680 --> 03:25:08,000
because it normally, like we said in our

5092
03:25:06,080 --> 03:25:11,279
policy, it was always accompanied by

5093
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:13,600
either a mayoral or a council

5094
03:25:11,279 --> 03:25:15,040
proclamation. and that that it's like if

5095
03:25:13,600 --> 03:25:16,640
we're going to put it on the flag pole,

5096
03:25:15,040 --> 03:25:18,960
it has to be something that we're all,

5097
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:24,720
you know, or most of us are in favor of.

5098
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:26,399
So, um All right. Thank you. Um Melissa,

5099
03:25:24,720 --> 03:25:29,120
» Yes. Can you go back to the slide of

5100
03:25:26,399 --> 03:25:31,359
what the previous policy was?

5101
03:25:29,120 --> 03:25:32,720
» That's it. That's it right there.

5102
03:25:31,359 --> 03:25:34,800
» Okay.

5103
03:25:32,720 --> 03:25:37,520
I thought when we were having this

5104
03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:41,359
discussion in the past that there was

5105
03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:43,439
something about a unifying

5106
03:25:41,359 --> 03:25:44,319
language.

5107
03:25:43,439 --> 03:25:46,880
Am I mistaken?

5108
03:25:44,319 --> 03:25:48,080
» No, you're not. So this policy is

5109
03:25:46,880 --> 03:25:51,279
slightly different than what was

5110
03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:52,800
presented to council. Um so that

5111
03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:54,640
language I believe was in the

5112
03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:56,160
resolution, the draft resolution that

5113
03:25:54,640 --> 03:25:56,800
was presented to council that did not

5114
03:25:56,160 --> 03:25:57,439
pass.

5115
03:25:56,800 --> 03:25:59,040
» Okay.

5116
03:25:57,439 --> 03:26:00,479
» So this was the policy that was adopted

5117
03:25:59,040 --> 03:26:02,479
by the mayor.

5118
03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:04,319
» Okay. Um, is it in here?

5119
03:26:02,479 --> 03:26:05,920
» Yeah, I think once they once they

5120
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:07,840
» Section Oh, yeah. Right here.

5121
03:26:05,920 --> 03:26:10,080
» It's at the very end.

5122
03:26:07,840 --> 03:26:12,239
» You're right. So, it was

5123
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:13,359
non-controversial and unifying themes.

5124
03:26:12,239 --> 03:26:14,800
So, that was kind of up to the mayor to

5125
03:26:13,359 --> 03:26:16,640
decide when to apply that.

5126
03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:18,319
» So, it was up to the mayor to decide

5127
03:26:16,640 --> 03:26:19,120
what was controversial and what was

5128
03:26:18,319 --> 03:26:20,880
unifying.

5129
03:26:19,120 --> 03:26:22,000
» Correct. And I believe that was part of

5130
03:26:20,880 --> 03:26:22,640
the criticism that

5131
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:25,600
» Yeah.

5132
03:26:22,640 --> 03:26:26,960
» I think so, too. So I'll just say you

5133
03:26:25,600 --> 03:26:29,040
know my thoughts uh since we're

5134
03:26:26,960 --> 03:26:32,160
discussing you know there I think there

5135
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:34,800
is a valid argument about viewpoint

5136
03:26:32,160 --> 03:26:39,920
discrimination and

5137
03:26:34,800 --> 03:26:43,200
government speech and there's a a real

5138
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:46,000
uh concern about one person deciding

5139
03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:50,960
what is unifying for the entire

5140
03:26:46,000 --> 03:26:52,800
community and what is uh not unifying.

5141
03:26:50,960 --> 03:26:55,600
um

5142
03:26:52,800 --> 03:26:57,600
because that's hard to determine that

5143
03:26:55,600 --> 03:27:01,600
what unifies this entire community of

5144
03:26:57,600 --> 03:27:04,640
100,000 people. Um

5145
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:07,920
so I'll say that I've also heard from

5146
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:10,720
residents that the flag poles at city

5147
03:27:07,920 --> 03:27:12,640
hall are not visible.

5148
03:27:10,720 --> 03:27:14,160
I've heard that complaint before that

5149
03:27:12,640 --> 03:27:15,520
it's not a place where people come

5150
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:18,640
often. It's not a place where people

5151
03:27:15,520 --> 03:27:23,840
drive by or they see. So, I do think

5152
03:27:18,640 --> 03:27:27,120
that we can do better and have our flags

5153
03:27:23,840 --> 03:27:31,279
uh in a place that's more visible. I

5154
03:27:27,120 --> 03:27:34,239
think that we can get to that to that

5155
03:27:31,279 --> 03:27:36,640
that mean by actually uh enlisting some

5156
03:27:34,239 --> 03:27:39,680
of our nonprofits to maybe help with

5157
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:42,160
this like with the the flag park. I I

5158
03:27:39,680 --> 03:27:44,560
think a good solution would be to have

5159
03:27:42,160 --> 03:27:46,399
uh one of our nonprofits maybe do

5160
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:49,439
something like this and just keep the

5161
03:27:46,399 --> 03:27:51,760
government out of it. Um

5162
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:53,520
I've talked to the public market folks.

5163
03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:55,040
They seem open to the idea and that

5164
03:27:53,520 --> 03:27:57,200
would be an ideal location that is

5165
03:27:55,040 --> 03:28:01,840
visible where people would see these

5166
03:27:57,200 --> 03:28:04,319
flags. Um and then you know just lastly

5167
03:28:01,840 --> 03:28:07,120
you know I heard uh you say Martin that

5168
03:28:04,319 --> 03:28:10,399
the process felt rushed.

5169
03:28:07,120 --> 03:28:14,479
um the you know how it was walked onto

5170
03:28:10,399 --> 03:28:17,760
the agenda. Um, if that process felt

5171
03:28:14,479 --> 03:28:19,279
rushed for that agenda item, then I

5172
03:28:17,760 --> 03:28:22,960
think we need to look at our council

5173
03:28:19,279 --> 03:28:24,479
roles because it's not just that item

5174
03:28:22,960 --> 03:28:26,640
that's going to be, you know, possibly

5175
03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:28,479
rushed, but all all the items, you know,

5176
03:28:26,640 --> 03:28:32,479
if that's our rules that we can do that,

5177
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:34,720
then the opportunity for every agenda

5178
03:28:32,479 --> 03:28:36,880
item could be not agenda item, but you

5179
03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:38,080
know, everything could be rushed and we

5180
03:28:36,880 --> 03:28:41,760
might need to look at that and change

5181
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:43,359
that. ju just for if I may mayor just

5182
03:28:41,760 --> 03:28:45,600
for clarification my understanding is

5183
03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:48,080
that it was not walked off uh it was

5184
03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:50,000
actually in agenda setting and it was

5185
03:28:48,080 --> 03:28:51,439
added to the agenda in a proper capacity

5186
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:52,239
so I just wanted to make that little

5187
03:28:51,439 --> 03:28:53,680
correction that's all

5188
03:28:52,239 --> 03:28:54,800
» Okay so it wasn't rushed you're not

5189
03:28:53,680 --> 03:28:57,200
saying it was rushed

5190
03:28:54,800 --> 03:28:58,720
» Uh I mean it just it came out of nowhere

5191
03:28:57,200 --> 03:29:02,800
it seemed like from the public

5192
03:28:58,720 --> 03:29:04,160
perspective and it seemed like a lot of

5193
03:29:02,800 --> 03:29:05,279
individuals I mean we've all talked to

5194
03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:06,960
people but it seemed like a lot of

5195
03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:09,120
people were not aware of it and just

5196
03:29:06,960 --> 03:29:12,479
kind of came out of nowhere and and

5197
03:29:09,120 --> 03:29:13,600
there was no proper time to communicate,

5198
03:29:12,479 --> 03:29:16,640
you know. So,

5199
03:29:13,600 --> 03:29:18,399
» Yeah. So, if that was a a if if that

5200
03:29:16,640 --> 03:29:20,479
happened because of council rules that

5201
03:29:18,399 --> 03:29:22,319
are currently in place, then I think we

5202
03:29:20,479 --> 03:29:25,520
need to look at that because that same

5203
03:29:22,319 --> 03:29:26,880
scenario could be duplicated in all

5204
03:29:25,520 --> 03:29:28,960
kinds of things that are brought up. You

5205
03:29:26,880 --> 03:29:30,800
see what I'm saying?

5206
03:29:28,960 --> 03:29:33,120
» Yeah. In fact, actually what the

5207
03:29:30,800 --> 03:29:35,120
distinction between being walked on and

5208
03:29:33,120 --> 03:29:38,640
set an agenda setting. I think what was

5209
03:29:35,120 --> 03:29:40,479
missing was it going through either a

5210
03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:44,160
either or both of a commission and a

5211
03:29:40,479 --> 03:29:46,239
council uh council committee. Um but our

5212
03:29:44,160 --> 03:29:48,399
council rule still would have allowed it

5213
03:29:46,239 --> 03:29:50,000
to be walked on. They it could have been

5214
03:29:48,399 --> 03:29:51,040
it could have been walked on.

5215
03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:52,800
» Um so

5216
03:29:51,040 --> 03:29:53,359
» So then anything anything could be

5217
03:29:52,800 --> 03:29:55,760
walked on.

5218
03:29:53,359 --> 03:29:57,200
» Yes. Can I just clarify one thing?

5219
03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:59,359
Anything can be walked on as long as a

5220
03:29:57,200 --> 03:30:02,399
majority of council supports it.

5221
03:29:59,359 --> 03:30:05,120
» So using rules to constrain a majority

5222
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:08,000
of council is usually a bad idea.

5223
03:30:05,120 --> 03:30:09,840
» Um really the issue is what's what is

5224
03:30:08,000 --> 03:30:12,000
the thought of cons you know what is the

5225
03:30:09,840 --> 03:30:14,399
cons consensus of most of you I think is

5226
03:30:12,000 --> 03:30:16,080
is and in this case it was to change the

5227
03:30:14,399 --> 03:30:17,520
policy.

5228
03:30:16,080 --> 03:30:20,239
» Okay.

5229
03:30:17,520 --> 03:30:22,080
» Okay. Uh Linda

5230
03:30:20,239 --> 03:30:24,800
and then Lydia and then Lydia again.

5231
03:30:22,080 --> 03:30:27,680
» Sure. Well the the Oh, sorry, Jack.

5232
03:30:24,800 --> 03:30:30,080
» We The policy really wasn't for flags in

5233
03:30:27,680 --> 03:30:33,120
general. The policy was flags at city

5234
03:30:30,080 --> 03:30:34,960
hall. That's really what And talking

5235
03:30:33,120 --> 03:30:39,040
about being rushed. My gosh, we talked

5236
03:30:34,960 --> 03:30:42,800
about this over and over and over.

5237
03:30:39,040 --> 03:30:44,960
You know, whose flags somebody was upset

5238
03:30:42,800 --> 03:30:47,600
this didn't it shouldn't be more than

5239
03:30:44,960 --> 03:30:49,040
one day. It should be a week. HD, you

5240
03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:51,760
know, there were different issues

5241
03:30:49,040 --> 03:30:54,720
involved and we couldn't send it to the

5242
03:30:51,760 --> 03:30:56,960
public to be reviewed because it had to

5243
03:30:54,720 --> 03:30:59,200
be done on government property by

5244
03:30:56,960 --> 03:31:02,080
government. You just said that the

5245
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:05,920
public couldn't make the the the

5246
03:31:02,080 --> 03:31:08,720
decision for the flags. So, you know,

5247
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:11,120
that being what we talked about, we

5248
03:31:08,720 --> 03:31:13,120
never talked about a flag pavilion. I

5249
03:31:11,120 --> 03:31:15,600
think that that's a discussion we can

5250
03:31:13,120 --> 03:31:18,000
have. And I think even when we were

5251
03:31:15,600 --> 03:31:19,520
talking about the flags at city hall, we

5252
03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:21,760
did bring up I think council member

5253
03:31:19,520 --> 03:31:24,880
Dobby brought up the the flag pavilion

5254
03:31:21,760 --> 03:31:27,840
idea. And then one other question I have

5255
03:31:24,880 --> 03:31:29,520
really is if there is a flag pavilion,

5256
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:31,840
does it need to be on a property that

5257
03:31:29,520 --> 03:31:33,920
the city owns or can it be on is it on

5258
03:31:31,840 --> 03:31:36,640
private property? And what's the

5259
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:38,880
distinction there? And I really don't

5260
03:31:36,640 --> 03:31:41,680
think that we can get this into the if

5261
03:31:38,880 --> 03:31:43,600
it's if it's on private property they

5262
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:45,200
can do whatever they want but if it's on

5263
03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:47,600
government property then that's

5264
03:31:45,200 --> 03:31:50,479
something again we have to talk about.

5265
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:53,359
Is that correct?

5266
03:31:50,479 --> 03:31:55,279
» Yeah. Absolutely. So the policy is about

5267
03:31:53,359 --> 03:31:57,439
what the government's going to do

5268
03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:59,120
» Related to flags. So if some nonprofit

5269
03:31:57,439 --> 03:32:00,160
wants to fly flags they can absolutely

5270
03:31:59,120 --> 03:32:02,880
do that.

5271
03:32:00,160 --> 03:32:05,040
» And we want to be inclusive of everyone

5272
03:32:02,880 --> 03:32:07,680
in our community. And there were so many

5273
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:10,960
people who were getting upset about one

5274
03:32:07,680 --> 03:32:13,200
way or the other. And so finally it was

5275
03:32:10,960 --> 03:32:15,520
just like my gosh, let's just put an end

5276
03:32:13,200 --> 03:32:16,960
to this. And then we didn't have time to

5277
03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:19,279
talk about anything else. That's really

5278
03:32:16,960 --> 03:32:19,840
the history in my opinion of what was

5279
03:32:19,279 --> 03:32:21,680
going on.

5280
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:24,720
» And I think it was Susan during the

5281
03:32:21,680 --> 03:32:26,880
debate um when this came up that

5282
03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:28,880
suggested another location. I think that

5283
03:32:26,880 --> 03:32:30,479
would the record would support that. Is

5284
03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:32,880
that right, Susan?

5285
03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:34,080
» Um I suggested a fleet pavilion.

5286
03:32:32,880 --> 03:32:36,319
» Yeah. Yeah, I remember

5287
03:32:34,080 --> 03:32:37,600
» And council member Dovy

5288
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:40,239
» Like that idea too.

5289
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:41,600
» Okay, thank you. Well, let's go um Jack

5290
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:44,640
and then Lydia again.

5291
03:32:41,600 --> 03:32:46,319
» Okay. Uh with me, I I think that the you

5292
03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:48,800
know I agree that the idea of a flag

5293
03:32:46,319 --> 03:32:51,359
pavilion operated by a nonprofit so that

5294
03:32:48,800 --> 03:32:53,680
it keeps it out of the the hands of the

5295
03:32:51,359 --> 03:32:56,000
the government and and they can handle

5296
03:32:53,680 --> 03:32:58,319
it. I I think that would be the ideal.

5297
03:32:56,000 --> 03:32:59,600
But whether there's a nonprofit that

5298
03:32:58,319 --> 03:33:01,680
wants to do it and whether there's a

5299
03:32:59,600 --> 03:33:04,479
place for P

5300
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:08,880
flag pavilion, you know, that's I I

5301
03:33:04,479 --> 03:33:12,880
don't know. I I do think that uh what

5302
03:33:08,880 --> 03:33:14,479
with the past policy in in section 4, I

5303
03:33:12,880 --> 03:33:16,080
think that that was where the the rub

5304
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:18,239
was only those flags that represent

5305
03:33:16,080 --> 03:33:19,840
non-controversially and unifying things

5306
03:33:18,239 --> 03:33:21,680
or organizations will be considered for

5307
03:33:19,840 --> 03:33:25,120
display. And I think that that was where

5308
03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:28,880
the where the the proponents of the

5309
03:33:25,120 --> 03:33:32,960
change was right there is what uh what

5310
03:33:28,880 --> 03:33:35,279
is truly unifying and other than the

5311
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:37,200
American flag, the state flag and and

5312
03:33:35,279 --> 03:33:38,880
the city flag. I mean those I mean hey

5313
03:33:37,200 --> 03:33:41,200
the American flag hopefully that's

5314
03:33:38,880 --> 03:33:42,960
unifying for all of us and and I think

5315
03:33:41,200 --> 03:33:46,479
that that was the the question is what

5316
03:33:42,960 --> 03:33:50,640
is truly unifying? Um, you know, if we

5317
03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:53,120
do ask the the um

5318
03:33:50,640 --> 03:33:54,800
uh the diversity commission to discuss

5319
03:33:53,120 --> 03:33:57,120
this, take it up with community, I think

5320
03:33:54,800 --> 03:34:00,160
that we should leave the policy as is

5321
03:33:57,120 --> 03:34:02,880
until at the end of that discussion uh

5322
03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:06,000
or that review by the human services or

5323
03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:08,160
by the the U diversity commission and

5324
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:11,520
their recommendation to us.

5325
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:13,840
» All right. Thank you. Uh, Lydia.

5326
03:34:11,520 --> 03:34:16,640
» Yeah, I think we keep talking about um

5327
03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:19,920
unifying versus divisive. Um, but I

5328
03:34:16,640 --> 03:34:23,520
think some things, for example, um Junth

5329
03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:26,160
flag or the pride flag, it may not be um

5330
03:34:23,520 --> 03:34:29,279
unifying because some people are not

5331
03:34:26,160 --> 03:34:33,520
going to agree with those. However,

5332
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:38,479
I also want to add u being inclusive and

5333
03:34:33,520 --> 03:34:40,960
um embracing either a culture uh again,

5334
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:42,720
you know, historical perspectives. And

5335
03:34:40,960 --> 03:34:45,680
so I want to make sure that we add

5336
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:48,080
those. Um I know it could be semantic

5337
03:34:45,680 --> 03:34:51,840
but still I think it also gives it a

5338
03:34:48,080 --> 03:34:55,359
little um weight if you're looking at um

5339
03:34:51,840 --> 03:34:57,040
embracing or being inclusive even though

5340
03:34:55,359 --> 03:34:58,399
you know and then if we're saying oh

5341
03:34:57,040 --> 03:35:00,720
this is divisive everything's going to

5342
03:34:58,399 --> 03:35:04,080
be divisive. And so I just want to make

5343
03:35:00,720 --> 03:35:05,600
sure that we use the um

5344
03:35:04,080 --> 03:35:08,720
something appropriate that makes it

5345
03:35:05,600 --> 03:35:11,279
inclusive also.

5346
03:35:08,720 --> 03:35:13,680
» Okay. Thank you Susan.

5347
03:35:11,279 --> 03:35:16,399
Uh, thank you. Uh, first of all, not

5348
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:18,399
everything that goes on a city council

5349
03:35:16,399 --> 03:35:21,120
agenda goes through a commission or a

5350
03:35:18,399 --> 03:35:23,760
committee. Um, I got a list of the last

5351
03:35:21,120 --> 03:35:25,120
two years and it's I was surprised by

5352
03:35:23,760 --> 03:35:26,720
how many things didn't go through a

5353
03:35:25,120 --> 03:35:30,880
commission or a committee. So, that's

5354
03:35:26,720 --> 03:35:32,640
not um not required and doesn't happen

5355
03:35:30,880 --> 03:35:35,680
all the time. [clears throat]

5356
03:35:32,640 --> 03:35:37,600
And um secondly, I think that the three

5357
03:35:35,680 --> 03:35:41,520
flag poles in front of city hall should

5358
03:35:37,600 --> 03:35:44,800
be for government. Uh, City Hall is

5359
03:35:41,520 --> 03:35:46,720
located in a location where some people

5360
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:51,279
who have lived here for years don't even

5361
03:35:46,720 --> 03:35:55,760
know where City Hall is. And

5362
03:35:51,279 --> 03:35:58,479
to fly a flag to um to promote something

5363
03:35:55,760 --> 03:36:01,120
else. It's just not the location where

5364
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:02,800
people are going to see it. So, it needs

5365
03:36:01,120 --> 03:36:05,359
to be in another location where it's

5366
03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:07,760
going to be more visible and that the

5367
03:36:05,359 --> 03:36:10,080
community can can see it.

5368
03:36:07,760 --> 03:36:12,560
Now, I had a quick actually uh go ahead.

5369
03:36:10,080 --> 03:36:14,239
Go ahead, Martin.

5370
03:36:12,560 --> 03:36:15,840
» Yeah, that's just what I wanted to say.

5371
03:36:14,239 --> 03:36:17,760
I just I think that we need to leave

5372
03:36:15,840 --> 03:36:19,200
those three flag pulls for government.

5373
03:36:17,760 --> 03:36:20,239
» Let me ask a quick question. There's

5374
03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:22,319
been a lot of discussion about

5375
03:36:20,239 --> 03:36:25,840
pavilions. Is this Would this pavilion

5376
03:36:22,319 --> 03:36:29,040
be city-owned or privately owned?

5377
03:36:25,840 --> 03:36:30,080
» Go ahead. I mean, I I think really I

5378
03:36:29,040 --> 03:36:31,680
don't know, maybe we're getting ahead of

5379
03:36:30,080 --> 03:36:33,520
ourselves with that, but I want to give

5380
03:36:31,680 --> 03:36:34,720
it to the diversity commission and I

5381
03:36:33,520 --> 03:36:36,960
want to see what recommendations they

5382
03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:38,399
come up with. And then, you know, my

5383
03:36:36,960 --> 03:36:40,399
response to your question would be is

5384
03:36:38,399 --> 03:36:43,439
then the council can kind of deliberate

5385
03:36:40,399 --> 03:36:44,399
with that information um in place, you

5386
03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:47,040
know, whether it go through the

5387
03:36:44,399 --> 03:36:49,120
committee um and then council can, you

5388
03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:51,359
know, bottom line is once it hits the

5389
03:36:49,120 --> 03:36:54,160
sorry, bear with me for a second. once

5390
03:36:51,359 --> 03:36:56,640
it hits the committee council committee

5391
03:36:54,160 --> 03:36:59,279
after the commission and then the full

5392
03:36:56,640 --> 03:37:01,359
body uh that's where we can debate those

5393
03:36:59,279 --> 03:37:05,520
details in conjunction with working with

5394
03:37:01,359 --> 03:37:07,200
you on that. Um but you know I mean I I

5395
03:37:05,520 --> 03:37:10,960
definitely would support the idea of the

5396
03:37:07,200 --> 03:37:13,359
diversity commission um

5397
03:37:10,960 --> 03:37:15,200
you know uh dissecting through it and

5398
03:37:13,359 --> 03:37:19,200
coming up with a recommendation. Look, I

5399
03:37:15,200 --> 03:37:22,239
mean, I think um a representative from

5400
03:37:19,200 --> 03:37:24,080
the law department um you know, I don't

5401
03:37:22,239 --> 03:37:27,600
know who staffs the diversity commission

5402
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:29,920
in terms of legal uh but that we can put

5403
03:37:27,600 --> 03:37:32,720
some frameworks and and have them come

5404
03:37:29,920 --> 03:37:35,680
up with a um

5405
03:37:32,720 --> 03:37:38,319
a policy that celebrates people and all

5406
03:37:35,680 --> 03:37:41,040
of us, you know. And I I mean, here's

5407
03:37:38,319 --> 03:37:43,040
the thing is I definitely hear the

5408
03:37:41,040 --> 03:37:44,800
argument of let's make sure the the

5409
03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:48,399
government stays out of it. That's a

5410
03:37:44,800 --> 03:37:50,160
very standard response and I was I fine

5411
03:37:48,399 --> 03:37:52,239
with that. I I hear people saying that

5412
03:37:50,160 --> 03:37:54,160
and I'm fine with it. But but the

5413
03:37:52,239 --> 03:37:56,880
question that it's going through my mind

5414
03:37:54,160 --> 03:37:59,840
and is what's wrong with government

5415
03:37:56,880 --> 03:38:01,600
saying we recognize and we see you?

5416
03:37:59,840 --> 03:38:04,000
What's wrong with the government saying

5417
03:38:01,600 --> 03:38:06,399
we celebrate all of you guys in our

5418
03:38:04,000 --> 03:38:08,800
community? I mean, that's what cuts the

5419
03:38:06,399 --> 03:38:11,200
suicidal rates down. That's what brings

5420
03:38:08,800 --> 03:38:13,200
makes people feel like they're in a

5421
03:38:11,200 --> 03:38:16,239
place where they belong. And when

5422
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:17,760
someone can look up and say, "Wow, okay,

5423
03:38:16,239 --> 03:38:21,120
this city is truly being representative

5424
03:38:17,760 --> 03:38:23,439
of who I am," that allows that person to

5425
03:38:21,120 --> 03:38:26,960
thrive. That allows that person to

5426
03:38:23,439 --> 03:38:30,319
volunteer, to continue to shop, and just

5427
03:38:26,960 --> 03:38:33,359
thrive in its entirety uh in federal

5428
03:38:30,319 --> 03:38:35,040
way. And that's I mean again I I I hear

5429
03:38:33,359 --> 03:38:38,239
what some of the responses are and I'm

5430
03:38:35,040 --> 03:38:41,120
again it is what it is. I I I respect it

5431
03:38:38,239 --> 03:38:43,520
from the perspective of

5432
03:38:41,120 --> 03:38:46,160
I respect you individually, you know,

5433
03:38:43,520 --> 03:38:48,160
but I just I have to be honest with

5434
03:38:46,160 --> 03:38:49,840
myself and say what's wrong with

5435
03:38:48,160 --> 03:38:53,600
government sending that that message

5436
03:38:49,840 --> 03:38:56,800
saying we we respect and we value and we

5437
03:38:53,600 --> 03:38:58,399
see you uh and you're loved. Um you

5438
03:38:56,800 --> 03:38:59,520
know, it's just what's kind of going

5439
03:38:58,399 --> 03:38:59,840
through my mind. I wanted to say thank

5440
03:38:59,520 --> 03:39:01,520
you.

5441
03:38:59,840 --> 03:39:02,640
» All right. Thank you. We're gonna have a

5442
03:39:01,520 --> 03:39:04,560
couple more discussion. We got Melissa

5443
03:39:02,640 --> 03:39:06,319
and then Susan and then I'm going to ask

5444
03:39:04,560 --> 03:39:08,880
about whether there's consensus. Yes.

5445
03:39:06,319 --> 03:39:11,120
» Can I just I'm not trying to object or

5446
03:39:08,880 --> 03:39:12,479
or throw or ranching saying something

5447
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:15,120
about the diversity commission. I just

5448
03:39:12,479 --> 03:39:16,800
wanted to point out historically we do

5449
03:39:15,120 --> 03:39:18,720
not use commissions to develop policy

5450
03:39:16,800 --> 03:39:22,880
for the city. We could use them to vet

5451
03:39:18,720 --> 03:39:26,399
policy. So um their opinion is helpful.

5452
03:39:22,880 --> 03:39:26,880
Um but what matters is this group's

5453
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:27,439
opinion.

5454
03:39:26,880 --> 03:39:30,080
» Yeah.

5455
03:39:27,439 --> 03:39:32,319
» And so it it

5456
03:39:30,080 --> 03:39:35,680
My only concern is we're setting up a

5457
03:39:32,319 --> 03:39:37,040
situation where they get carp launch and

5458
03:39:35,680 --> 03:39:38,319
then they're going to come up with

5459
03:39:37,040 --> 03:39:40,080
whatever they come up with. And you

5460
03:39:38,319 --> 03:39:40,800
probably aren't going to agree with it.

5461
03:39:40,080 --> 03:39:42,720
» It very well.

5462
03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:44,399
» Or you'll be legally constrained to not

5463
03:39:42,720 --> 03:39:45,920
» Correct. I may not agree with their with

5464
03:39:44,399 --> 03:39:47,920
their outcome, but at least they're

5465
03:39:45,920 --> 03:39:50,239
talking about it once the commission and

5466
03:39:47,920 --> 03:39:52,000
» It's more a matter of timing. So usually

5467
03:39:50,239 --> 03:39:54,160
it would we we would come up with a

5468
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:56,479
policy that we think fits the bill and

5469
03:39:54,160 --> 03:39:58,160
then see what they think about it. But

5470
03:39:56,479 --> 03:40:00,319
that's just how we've done in the past.

5471
03:39:58,160 --> 03:40:02,239
I mean, if I was to think really fast, I

5472
03:40:00,319 --> 03:40:04,640
would like to see what would the

5473
03:40:02,239 --> 03:40:06,800
commission like and then how can we work

5474
03:40:04,640 --> 03:40:09,279
with that, you know, also meeting our

5475
03:40:06,800 --> 03:40:10,960
needs, right, from legality perspective,

5476
03:40:09,279 --> 03:40:12,800
but meeting their needs to discuss it

5477
03:40:10,960 --> 03:40:15,279
because they've obviously come to the

5478
03:40:12,800 --> 03:40:16,720
city council meetings and said, "Put

5479
03:40:15,279 --> 03:40:18,640
this through our commission. We want to

5480
03:40:16,720 --> 03:40:20,239
talk about it. Let's let's advise I

5481
03:40:18,640 --> 03:40:22,880
mean, their job is to advise the city

5482
03:40:20,239 --> 03:40:24,640
council u or bring recommendations." And

5483
03:40:22,880 --> 03:40:26,319
what legal counsel is saying is that we

5484
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:30,239
have we've never traditionally done that

5485
03:40:26,319 --> 03:40:32,399
in that we normally develop a a proposed

5486
03:40:30,239 --> 03:40:34,000
policy and run it by to to see what

5487
03:40:32,399 --> 03:40:36,800
their opinion is as opposed to the other

5488
03:40:34,000 --> 03:40:38,239
way around letting them set policy and

5489
03:40:36,800 --> 03:40:40,479
we confirm that. So

5490
03:40:38,239 --> 03:40:41,920
» So maybe to committee and and develop

5491
03:40:40,479 --> 03:40:43,359
something and then

5492
03:40:41,920 --> 03:40:44,720
» Well that we're going to when we get

5493
03:40:43,359 --> 03:40:46,399
done with the discussion I'll we'll try

5494
03:40:44,720 --> 03:40:49,279
to work through about where consensus is

5495
03:40:46,399 --> 03:40:51,760
at. Melissa and then Susan.

5496
03:40:49,279 --> 03:40:55,040
Uh I hear I hear what you're saying

5497
03:40:51,760 --> 03:40:58,080
Martin and I as well want to uh make

5498
03:40:55,040 --> 03:41:00,160
this an inclusive welcoming uh community

5499
03:40:58,080 --> 03:41:03,040
and you had asked the question what's

5500
03:41:00,160 --> 03:41:06,640
the problem with the government uh you

5501
03:41:03,040 --> 03:41:08,399
know recognizing these groups. Um well

5502
03:41:06,640 --> 03:41:10,800
the problem is is that the government is

5503
03:41:08,399 --> 03:41:14,080
not celebrating everybody and they are

5504
03:41:10,800 --> 03:41:17,279
not recognizing everybody and mayor who

5505
03:41:14,080 --> 03:41:18,640
have you denied a flag. There have been

5506
03:41:17,279 --> 03:41:20,720
groups that have requested flags,

5507
03:41:18,640 --> 03:41:22,800
correct? And who was denied?

5508
03:41:20,720 --> 03:41:25,040
» Well, the ones that immediately come to

5509
03:41:22,800 --> 03:41:27,840
mind are both sides of there was a

5510
03:41:25,040 --> 03:41:31,279
request to fly the Israeli flag and I

5511
03:41:27,840 --> 03:41:35,920
think that there was a a request to fly

5512
03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:38,080
um uh the Palestinian flag. Um I think

5513
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:38,880
there was that that immediately comes to

5514
03:41:38,080 --> 03:41:41,520
mind, those two.

5515
03:41:38,880 --> 03:41:43,520
» Yeah. So I wonder how those people feel.

5516
03:41:41,520 --> 03:41:45,520
Do they feel included when their

5517
03:41:43,520 --> 03:41:47,680
government denied them a flag? If it

5518
03:41:45,520 --> 03:41:51,200
takes a flag to feel welcome and

5519
03:41:47,680 --> 03:41:53,200
included, then we have already

5520
03:41:51,200 --> 03:41:53,760
made people feel unwelcome and not

5521
03:41:53,200 --> 03:41:55,920
included.

5522
03:41:53,760 --> 03:41:57,760
» The only national flags that we the

5523
03:41:55,920 --> 03:42:00,479
Irish flag we do, we've we've

5524
03:41:57,760 --> 03:42:03,279
traditionally done at um you know, St.

5525
03:42:00,479 --> 03:42:04,720
Patrick's Day um and uh with the

5526
03:42:03,279 --> 03:42:07,040
Patricks and the whole celebration in

5527
03:42:04,720 --> 03:42:08,880
front of city hall and but that's more

5528
03:42:07,040 --> 03:42:11,760
you know, sort of more cultural. And

5529
03:42:08,880 --> 03:42:14,160
then we have flown the Ukrainian flag in

5530
03:42:11,760 --> 03:42:17,279
support of their efforts because they've

5531
03:42:14,160 --> 03:42:19,359
been invaded and uh we had supported

5532
03:42:17,279 --> 03:42:21,279
supported we had a a sister city

5533
03:42:19,359 --> 03:42:22,640
relationship with the with the city of

5534
03:42:21,279 --> 03:42:24,239
Ukraine that we developed. Correct.

5535
03:42:22,640 --> 03:42:26,239
Those are the only two national flags

5536
03:42:24,239 --> 03:42:29,520
and so I I did not think it'd be

5537
03:42:26,239 --> 03:42:31,920
advisable for our community to to weigh

5538
03:42:29,520 --> 03:42:32,960
in on something as controversial as

5539
03:42:31,920 --> 03:42:36,880
Middle East.

5540
03:42:32,960 --> 03:42:39,520
» Well, and and correct. And um

5541
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:41,200
you know I I also support our Ukrainian

5542
03:42:39,520 --> 03:42:44,319
brothers and sisters and you know like I

5543
03:42:41,200 --> 03:42:47,439
said I'm Slavic myself uh have that that

5544
03:42:44,319 --> 03:42:49,760
heritage but they are also in a war and

5545
03:42:47,439 --> 03:42:51,760
we have Ukrainians in this community and

5546
03:42:49,760 --> 03:42:54,160
we have Russians in this community. And

5547
03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:56,880
so what are we stating as a government

5548
03:42:54,160 --> 03:43:00,239
when we fly one flag? We're making now a

5549
03:42:56,880 --> 03:43:02,800
statement on a foreign war. And you

5550
03:43:00,239 --> 03:43:05,279
know, I just I just

5551
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:09,600
I think if if we're gonna say that we

5552
03:43:05,279 --> 03:43:12,399
need flags representing communities to

5553
03:43:09,600 --> 03:43:14,960
feel welcome and included, then we are

5554
03:43:12,399 --> 03:43:18,239
going to need hundreds of flag poles

5555
03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:20,479
because we are such a diverse community

5556
03:43:18,239 --> 03:43:22,479
that we're going to need to represent,

5557
03:43:20,479 --> 03:43:25,279
you know, everyone equally. Otherwise,

5558
03:43:22,479 --> 03:43:25,439
we are discriminating. in my point of

5559
03:43:25,279 --> 03:43:26,640
view.

5560
03:43:25,439 --> 03:43:28,640
» Well, if you create a pavilion, you're

5561
03:43:26,640 --> 03:43:30,960
going to have to figure out who's going

5562
03:43:28,640 --> 03:43:34,640
to fly the flags in the pavilion and who

5563
03:43:30,960 --> 03:43:38,479
says no to those. Susan,

5564
03:43:34,640 --> 03:43:40,479
» So um as you know, Jim, I am a I love my

5565
03:43:38,479 --> 03:43:43,120
flags along camp. They're not my flags,

5566
03:43:40,479 --> 03:43:45,439
but this is flags. And I've looked into

5567
03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:47,680
the cost of flag poles the last many

5568
03:43:45,439 --> 03:43:49,120
many years and they're expensive because

5569
03:43:47,680 --> 03:43:51,199
you're going to want a flag pole that

5570
03:43:49,120 --> 03:43:53,680
probably has a light on it so you don't

5571
03:43:51,199 --> 03:43:55,760
have to have maintain the lights on the

5572
03:43:53,680 --> 03:43:59,279
ground or wherever.

5573
03:43:55,760 --> 03:44:02,479
Um so my idea would be that council have

5574
03:43:59,279 --> 03:44:04,640
an ad has an ad hoc committee to discuss

5575
03:44:02,479 --> 03:44:07,199
this. Three council members who are

5576
03:44:04,640 --> 03:44:09,359
interested in discussing it.

5577
03:44:07,199 --> 03:44:11,040
um come up with the proposal, talk to

5578
03:44:09,359 --> 03:44:13,439
the rest of the council, maybe send it

5579
03:44:11,040 --> 03:44:16,000
off to the diversity commission to get

5580
03:44:13,439 --> 03:44:20,160
their opinion on it and see where it

5581
03:44:16,000 --> 03:44:24,560
goes from there. But um I would support

5582
03:44:20,160 --> 03:44:27,120
I think that a flag pavilion with um off

5583
03:44:24,560 --> 03:44:28,960
of government property would be the best

5584
03:44:27,120 --> 03:44:30,720
idea. Then who

5585
03:44:28,960 --> 03:44:31,760
» Just think just think of this?

5586
03:44:30,720 --> 03:44:34,080
» Yeah.

5587
03:44:31,760 --> 03:44:36,160
» Gateway center as you come into the city

5588
03:44:34,080 --> 03:44:38,080
of Federal Way, which is considered one

5589
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:39,920
of the mo most diverse cities in the

5590
03:44:38,080 --> 03:44:41,520
country.

5591
03:44:39,920 --> 03:44:43,520
» Flags.

5592
03:44:41,520 --> 03:44:45,520
» Wouldn't that be cool?

5593
03:44:43,520 --> 03:44:47,279
» Not our property, but you know, just

5594
03:44:45,520 --> 03:44:49,040
» If it's not our property, then who

5595
03:44:47,279 --> 03:44:51,279
decides? And then what happens if they

5596
03:44:49,040 --> 03:44:52,399
put something that really offensive

5597
03:44:51,279 --> 03:44:54,720
questions? Well, what happens if

5598
03:44:52,399 --> 03:44:56,640
somebody puts something really offensive

5599
03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:57,840
on that pavilion that we have no control

5600
03:44:56,640 --> 03:45:00,000
over at that point?

5601
03:44:57,840 --> 03:45:02,080
» But do we want control over I'm I'm

5602
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:02,720
hearing we don't want control over.

5603
03:45:02,080 --> 03:45:04,080
» So

5604
03:45:02,720 --> 03:45:05,359
» So that I mean it's it would be

5605
03:45:04,080 --> 03:45:07,760
something that maybe the ad hoc

5606
03:45:05,359 --> 03:45:08,560
committee could go back and forth about

5607
03:45:07,760 --> 03:45:10,800
and discuss.

5608
03:45:08,560 --> 03:45:12,399
» Yeah. And I'm I'm not I don't know about

5609
03:45:10,800 --> 03:45:14,239
an ad hoc committee. I just have to

5610
03:45:12,399 --> 03:45:16,720
process that a little bit more. But but

5611
03:45:14,239 --> 03:45:19,120
I think a committee needs to look into

5612
03:45:16,720 --> 03:45:21,840
this. Uh and I think that's right. I

5613
03:45:19,120 --> 03:45:24,399
mean, I would think parks would be one.

5614
03:45:21,840 --> 03:45:26,560
Um, and the same idea, council, excuse

5615
03:45:24,399 --> 03:45:28,720
me, Susan. Um, it would be the same idea

5616
03:45:26,560 --> 03:45:31,279
where the committee can review it. Um,

5617
03:45:28,720 --> 03:45:33,680
come up with a recommendation. Um, and

5618
03:45:31,279 --> 03:45:35,840
the council can dis discuss it and then

5619
03:45:33,680 --> 03:45:38,160
give it to the diversity commission to

5620
03:45:35,840 --> 03:45:40,160
to review it. Uh, with some parameters,

5621
03:45:38,160 --> 03:45:43,840
with some I don't know what to call it,

5622
03:45:40,160 --> 03:45:46,800
uh, guard rails maybe, you know. But um

5623
03:45:43,840 --> 03:45:51,600
um I I think you know to to to respond

5624
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:53,920
to Melissa respectfully um you know it's

5625
03:45:51,600 --> 03:45:56,080
not just about flags. You're right. It

5626
03:45:53,920 --> 03:45:59,279
is about our actions. It is about our

5627
03:45:56,080 --> 03:46:00,800
policies. It is about uh our entire

5628
03:45:59,279 --> 03:46:02,880
community what we're doing to ensure

5629
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:05,199
that we are building a community that's

5630
03:46:02,880 --> 03:46:09,520
welcoming to all. Uh so you're right

5631
03:46:05,199 --> 03:46:11,520
it's not just flags. Um and um uh that

5632
03:46:09,520 --> 03:46:14,479
would be my only response that that I

5633
03:46:11,520 --> 03:46:16,239
would have as a conversationwise. Uh but

5634
03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:20,080
I I would support the idea of let's take

5635
03:46:16,239 --> 03:46:21,600
it to it to a committee um you know um

5636
03:46:20,080 --> 03:46:23,279
review the policy come up with a

5637
03:46:21,600 --> 03:46:24,560
recommendation and then council can

5638
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:27,120
discuss it and then we can give it to

5639
03:46:24,560 --> 03:46:28,479
the diversity commission for uh their

5640
03:46:27,120 --> 03:46:30,239
input.

5641
03:46:28,479 --> 03:46:32,640
» Were you gonna say something?

5642
03:46:30,239 --> 03:46:34,479
» Okay. U Melissa.

5643
03:46:32,640 --> 03:46:37,760
» So just a question for legal then. We

5644
03:46:34,479 --> 03:46:39,840
mentioned that our um

5645
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:42,720
our uh commissions are not policy

5646
03:46:39,840 --> 03:46:44,560
makers. So if we do what's being

5647
03:46:42,720 --> 03:46:46,960
suggested are we setting precedent for

5648
03:46:44,560 --> 03:46:49,279
now every commission making policy.

5649
03:46:46,960 --> 03:46:52,160
» I think it's important to not call it

5650
03:46:49,279 --> 03:46:55,279
policym or review was the word I was

5651
03:46:52,160 --> 03:46:57,199
queued into. I don't believe that's what

5652
03:46:55,279 --> 03:46:58,720
Mr. Moore meant. I think it's we were

5653
03:46:57,199 --> 03:47:00,239
valuing their input. They're absolutely

5654
03:46:58,720 --> 03:47:02,880
supposed to give us input. That's their

5655
03:47:00,239 --> 03:47:05,680
their role. But but and I say us, it's

5656
03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:07,120
not us. It's you guys. So council just

5657
03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:08,880
needs to be aware that especially on

5658
03:47:07,120 --> 03:47:11,840
this issue, this is not something you

5659
03:47:08,880 --> 03:47:12,880
can delegate to the citizens. You got to

5660
03:47:11,840 --> 03:47:14,319
make a call.

5661
03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:16,000
» Yeah. I just want to make sure that you

5662
03:47:14,319 --> 03:47:17,359
know if that if that is a direction that

5663
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:18,880
the council wants to go in.

5664
03:47:17,359 --> 03:47:22,080
» My personal opinion is if we start

5665
03:47:18,880 --> 03:47:24,720
letting commissions start policym we

5666
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:25,920
will have a lot of policy driven stuff

5667
03:47:24,720 --> 03:47:28,720
from them.

5668
03:47:25,920 --> 03:47:30,479
» Yeah. So that was my suggestion was if

5669
03:47:28,720 --> 03:47:31,760
if if you know if the council goes in

5670
03:47:30,479 --> 03:47:33,520
this direction, we need to make sure

5671
03:47:31,760 --> 03:47:35,600
that our commissions are not in a

5672
03:47:33,520 --> 03:47:38,600
position to create policy but rather

5673
03:47:35,600 --> 03:47:38,600
advisory.

5674
03:47:38,880 --> 03:47:43,680
» Yeah.

5675
03:47:40,479 --> 03:47:46,960
Yeah. I I mean I think we can take in

5676
03:47:43,680 --> 03:47:49,359
steps here, you know. Um, but I think

5677
03:47:46,960 --> 03:47:50,640
nonetheless at this moment, because I I

5678
03:47:49,359 --> 03:47:52,960
hear what you're saying, Melissa, and I

5679
03:47:50,640 --> 03:47:55,120
hear what our attorney is saying, but I

5680
03:47:52,960 --> 03:47:57,040
think that maybe this step is is let's

5681
03:47:55,120 --> 03:47:58,160
take it to the to the committee, parks

5682
03:47:57,040 --> 03:48:01,040
and recreation, human services

5683
03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:04,080
committee, uh, for further review, um,

5684
03:48:01,040 --> 03:48:07,199
and to work on uh, and then, um, the

5685
03:48:04,080 --> 03:48:10,160
council can take it up and then, um,

5686
03:48:07,199 --> 03:48:11,760
maybe we can get input uh, from from the

5687
03:48:10,160 --> 03:48:15,040
diversity commission. It's what they

5688
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:18,319
want and I want to honor those voices.

5689
03:48:15,040 --> 03:48:19,920
Uh, and just because it's

5690
03:48:18,319 --> 03:48:21,760
just because we've never done it before

5691
03:48:19,920 --> 03:48:24,560
and and hearing that there could be a

5692
03:48:21,760 --> 03:48:27,120
precedence, but I mean it's it's okay

5693
03:48:24,560 --> 03:48:31,840
for us to get input. It's okay for us to

5694
03:48:27,120 --> 03:48:34,800
get input, you know, and and I I mean

5695
03:48:31,840 --> 03:48:37,040
I mean I see I see Linda with her thing

5696
03:48:34,800 --> 03:48:39,680
up, but I I think it's easy to look at

5697
03:48:37,040 --> 03:48:43,040
our history and what we've done. Um and

5698
03:48:39,680 --> 03:48:44,560
and I I value our history, but you know,

5699
03:48:43,040 --> 03:48:46,960
our number of commissioners who have

5700
03:48:44,560 --> 03:48:48,319
come forth and saying, "Let's let's talk

5701
03:48:46,960 --> 03:48:49,439
about this and let's come up with a

5702
03:48:48,319 --> 03:48:50,479
recommendation."

5703
03:48:49,439 --> 03:48:52,640
» Thank you, Linda.

5704
03:48:50,479 --> 03:48:54,880
» Oh, thank you very much. Mayor, you've t

5705
03:48:52,640 --> 03:48:57,120
Jim, you've talked about us coming to a

5706
03:48:54,880 --> 03:48:59,199
consensus today. I'm wondering if we

5707
03:48:57,120 --> 03:49:01,439
could go around the room and say, it

5708
03:48:59,199 --> 03:49:03,120
sounds like we either want to send it to

5709
03:49:01,439 --> 03:49:04,399
um the parks committee or an ad hoc

5710
03:49:03,120 --> 03:49:06,080
committee. I wonder if go around the

5711
03:49:04,399 --> 03:49:08,399
room just to say which one and move

5712
03:49:06,080 --> 03:49:10,319
forward because we we can't keep

5713
03:49:08,399 --> 03:49:13,359
» Right. I I was just about to go there.

5714
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:14,880
Ryan, does that does that it's fine. And

5715
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:17,199
one of the things I want to know, one of

5716
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:21,840
the things I've heard, the consensus I'm

5717
03:49:17,199 --> 03:49:24,640
hearing is that there's not really that

5718
03:49:21,840 --> 03:49:26,640
city hall itself, the the flag polls,

5719
03:49:24,640 --> 03:49:30,319
I've heard this repeatedly, are not

5720
03:49:26,640 --> 03:49:32,399
really in sight. Am I So consider this.

5721
03:49:30,319 --> 03:49:34,800
Is is the city hall not the place where

5722
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:37,680
this should be decided? Curious about

5723
03:49:34,800 --> 03:49:40,160
whether there whe whether there is

5724
03:49:37,680 --> 03:49:43,760
consensus on the diversity commissioning

5725
03:49:40,160 --> 03:49:47,600
hearing this first or later after a

5726
03:49:43,760 --> 03:49:50,399
policy is is is sort of devised. So why

5727
03:49:47,600 --> 03:49:52,640
don't we start with um uh Lind. Let's

5728
03:49:50,399 --> 03:49:55,760
just go a clockwise. Linda.

5729
03:49:52,640 --> 03:49:59,600
» Um well uh okay my opinion would be I

5730
03:49:55,760 --> 03:50:02,399
like Susan's idea of ad hoc. I like uh

5731
03:49:59,600 --> 03:50:04,720
the diversity. It's kind of like the the

5732
03:50:02,399 --> 03:50:07,680
tail wagon the dog. We really have to

5733
03:50:04,720 --> 03:50:09,920
have input from the diversity, but after

5734
03:50:07,680 --> 03:50:14,160
we've discussed it and then get their

5735
03:50:09,920 --> 03:50:15,840
input. And so I would prefer that you

5736
03:50:14,160 --> 03:50:19,760
» Uh

5737
03:50:15,840 --> 03:50:23,040
yeah with me I I I think that a

5738
03:50:19,760 --> 03:50:28,000
I think that the idea of a pavilion uh

5739
03:50:23,040 --> 03:50:30,399
of some type is good. Uh, I [snorts]

5740
03:50:28,000 --> 03:50:32,960
recognize your concern, Jim, on on if it

5741
03:50:30,399 --> 03:50:35,520
was operated by somebody outside the

5742
03:50:32,960 --> 03:50:37,840
city, it could be anything. I think

5743
03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:40,319
there's some legitimate concerns there.

5744
03:50:37,840 --> 03:50:41,600
However,

5745
03:50:40,319 --> 03:50:44,160
that there's going to be controversy no

5746
03:50:41,600 --> 03:50:46,160
matter what. I mean, this is a policy

5747
03:50:44,160 --> 03:50:48,080
whether it's the the the government

5748
03:50:46,160 --> 03:50:49,680
handling it or a nonprofit handling it

5749
03:50:48,080 --> 03:50:53,359
or whoever else handling it, there's

5750
03:50:49,680 --> 03:50:55,680
going to be be be controversy. Uh I I

5751
03:50:53,359 --> 03:51:01,520
don't think that the the city hall is

5752
03:50:55,680 --> 03:51:03,439
the place to to fly it. And um and and

5753
03:51:01,520 --> 03:51:05,600
also I you know in the past sometimes

5754
03:51:03,439 --> 03:51:07,520
we've had flags at their flags on all

5755
03:51:05,600 --> 03:51:10,479
the flag poles on 320. I don't think

5756
03:51:07,520 --> 03:51:13,439
that that's appropriate.

5757
03:51:10,479 --> 03:51:15,359
So, uh, but anyway,

5758
03:51:13,439 --> 03:51:17,439
» Which committee or

5759
03:51:15,359 --> 03:51:19,920
» Uh I it seems to me an ad hoc committee

5760
03:51:17,439 --> 03:51:21,600
would be more considerate what what uh

5761
03:51:19,920 --> 03:51:23,520
Brian and everybody said in ad hoc

5762
03:51:21,600 --> 03:51:25,120
committee would be more appropriate.

5763
03:51:23,520 --> 03:51:26,000
» Well, Brian didn't mention about ad hoc

5764
03:51:25,120 --> 03:51:28,800
fees.

5765
03:51:26,000 --> 03:51:31,920
» Okay. Well, he he he mentioned not that

5766
03:51:28,800 --> 03:51:32,720
the uh diversity commission not

5767
03:51:31,920 --> 03:51:33,600
» Yeah.

5768
03:51:32,720 --> 03:51:35,199
» Not starting.

5769
03:51:33,600 --> 03:51:36,800
» Susan suggested the ad hoc.

5770
03:51:35,199 --> 03:51:38,960
» Yeah. If there's going to be some type

5771
03:51:36,800 --> 03:51:41,920
of thing, it'd be more appropriate an ad

5772
03:51:38,960 --> 03:51:42,560
hoc committee rather than the emergency

5773
03:51:41,920 --> 03:51:44,399
commission.

5774
03:51:42,560 --> 03:51:45,920
» Okay. Uh Libby,

5775
03:51:44,399 --> 03:51:48,960
» I think I'll go with the ad hoc

5776
03:51:45,920 --> 03:51:51,040
committee looking at it, but making sure

5777
03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:54,319
that there's public input

5778
03:51:51,040 --> 03:51:54,319
» So people feel heard.

5779
03:51:54,640 --> 03:51:58,880
Susan

5780
03:51:55,439 --> 03:52:01,279
» Um an ad hoc committee uh an and Martin

5781
03:51:58,880 --> 03:52:03,760
the reason why is it has an ad hoc

5782
03:52:01,279 --> 03:52:05,760
committee will have more time to just

5783
03:52:03,760 --> 03:52:07,279
discuss this instead of having it at the

5784
03:52:05,760 --> 03:52:10,080
parks committee meeting

5785
03:52:07,279 --> 03:52:11,600
» So um

5786
03:52:10,080 --> 03:52:13,199
that's why and it doesn't have to be

5787
03:52:11,600 --> 03:52:15,359
very many meetings of an ad hoc

5788
03:52:13,199 --> 03:52:17,279
committee it could be one or two but it

5789
03:52:15,359 --> 03:52:19,920
would be an in-depth discussion with a

5790
03:52:17,279 --> 03:52:22,239
lot of ideas flowing back and forth and

5791
03:52:19,920 --> 03:52:23,520
I just think it would be the best way to

5792
03:52:22,239 --> 03:52:26,399
start it.

5793
03:52:23,520 --> 03:52:28,160
» Um, I also uh just want to remind

5794
03:52:26,399 --> 03:52:30,000
everyone that we're not going to make

5795
03:52:28,160 --> 03:52:32,080
everyone happy. We can never make

5796
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:35,600
everyone happy, but we have to do what's

5797
03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:37,359
best for the city and uh and and the

5798
03:52:35,600 --> 03:52:40,359
people who live here and work here. And

5799
03:52:37,359 --> 03:52:40,359
so,

5800
03:52:41,040 --> 03:52:45,199
um, but anyway, I say ad hoc committee,

5801
03:52:43,359 --> 03:52:47,199
then it goes to the parks committee,

5802
03:52:45,199 --> 03:52:49,600
then it goes to the diversity

5803
03:52:47,199 --> 03:52:51,359
commission, then it goes back to maybe

5804
03:52:49,600 --> 03:52:53,359
parks, and then to council. It's going

5805
03:52:51,359 --> 03:52:54,880
to be a long process, but it it has to

5806
03:52:53,359 --> 03:52:56,800
be because it has to be a well

5807
03:52:54,880 --> 03:53:00,600
thoughtout process.

5808
03:52:56,800 --> 03:53:00,600
» Okay. Thank you, Les.

5809
03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:09,040
» I think it should go directly to parks

5810
03:53:05,199 --> 03:53:11,439
and uh after that kick it down to the

5811
03:53:09,040 --> 03:53:14,319
diversity commission to see what their

5812
03:53:11,439 --> 03:53:16,640
thoughts are and then back to parks and

5813
03:53:14,319 --> 03:53:18,560
then on to the agenda.

5814
03:53:16,640 --> 03:53:20,239
» Thank you, Melissa.

5815
03:53:18,560 --> 03:53:21,840
» Uh I just need some clarity. Who would

5816
03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:24,720
be on the ad hoc committee?

5817
03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:25,439
» Well, so everyone.

5818
03:53:24,720 --> 03:53:27,120
» What do you mean everyone?

5819
03:53:25,439 --> 03:53:28,560
» What do you mean everyone?

5820
03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:28,800
» Any council member that wants to come, I

5821
03:53:28,560 --> 03:53:30,640
think.

5822
03:53:28,800 --> 03:53:31,680
» Oh. Oh, so council members though.

5823
03:53:30,640 --> 03:53:32,160
» Any council member.

5824
03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:34,239
» Okay. Well,

5825
03:53:32,160 --> 03:53:36,399
» It's an ad hoc committee of council.

5826
03:53:34,239 --> 03:53:38,720
» Okay. In the can I just in the past when

5827
03:53:36,399 --> 03:53:40,880
we've had ad hoc committees we have

5828
03:53:38,720 --> 03:53:42,319
assigned we've asked people who want to

5829
03:53:40,880 --> 03:53:45,520
be on it because it's three council

5830
03:53:42,319 --> 03:53:47,920
members and then um

5831
03:53:45,520 --> 03:53:49,199
» Well does it have to be a we're not

5832
03:53:47,920 --> 03:53:50,160
having a we're not talking about the

5833
03:53:49,199 --> 03:53:51,680
same thing.

5834
03:53:50,160 --> 03:53:54,399
» That's why I'm asking the question.

5835
03:53:51,680 --> 03:53:56,479
» Absolutely. I'd like I mean my

5836
03:53:54,399 --> 03:53:58,399
understanding and forgive if I'm wrong

5837
03:53:56,479 --> 03:54:00,080
correct me but my understanding is that

5838
03:53:58,399 --> 03:54:01,600
as council president I can choose who

5839
03:54:00,080 --> 03:54:04,160
can be on I can solicit who wants to be

5840
03:54:01,600 --> 03:54:06,479
on it but then choose the three three

5841
03:54:04,160 --> 03:54:08,080
people are going to be on it and then

5842
03:54:06,479 --> 03:54:10,560
what not. Isn't that right?

5843
03:54:08,080 --> 03:54:12,479
» Well, it depends on whether it's it's

5844
03:54:10,560 --> 03:54:14,560
whatever the majority of council tells

5845
03:54:12,479 --> 03:54:17,040
you they want that happen.

5846
03:54:14,560 --> 03:54:18,080
» Well, no, I'm talking about choosing

5847
03:54:17,040 --> 03:54:19,120
who's going to be on this.

5848
03:54:18,080 --> 03:54:21,760
» There's two different There's two

5849
03:54:19,120 --> 03:54:23,359
different pathways to go. The one is is

5850
03:54:21,760 --> 03:54:26,319
exactly what you're talking about, which

5851
03:54:23,359 --> 03:54:28,880
is the council president decides that,

5852
03:54:26,319 --> 03:54:32,560
you know, a nonquorum

5853
03:54:28,880 --> 03:54:34,479
um you know, majority or you you uh you

5854
03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:37,120
can go with a you can have a quorum of

5855
03:54:34,479 --> 03:54:38,720
city council members or a m as many

5856
03:54:37,120 --> 03:54:40,160
people that want and even if it's a

5857
03:54:38,720 --> 03:54:42,000
quorum, those meetings would have to be

5858
03:54:40,160 --> 03:54:42,640
publicly noticed and have to be in

5859
03:54:42,000 --> 03:54:45,199
public.

5860
03:54:42,640 --> 03:54:47,120
» Correct. And just to be clear, the first

5861
03:54:45,199 --> 03:54:49,439
one where you would assign people,

5862
03:54:47,120 --> 03:54:51,279
that's after council has set it up.

5863
03:54:49,439 --> 03:54:53,279
» Yes. So, if that's what council wants to

5864
03:54:51,279 --> 03:54:56,080
do is set it up and have you appoint

5865
03:54:53,279 --> 03:54:57,600
delegates and community members, that's

5866
03:54:56,080 --> 03:54:59,840
not an ad hoc committee of council.

5867
03:54:57,600 --> 03:55:02,080
That's just it's a we're using the same

5868
03:54:59,840 --> 03:55:03,840
term to describe something else, but

5869
03:55:02,080 --> 03:55:06,479
it's another type of ad hoc committee.

5870
03:55:03,840 --> 03:55:08,399
Does that make sense?

5871
03:55:06,479 --> 03:55:08,960
» For clarity and then I'll give it back

5872
03:55:08,399 --> 03:55:11,439
to the mayor.

5873
03:55:08,960 --> 03:55:12,800
» It's more of a work group. Is that a

5874
03:55:11,439 --> 03:55:15,600
better way to phrase it?

5875
03:55:12,800 --> 03:55:17,120
» Working me committee. Yeah. Um um and

5876
03:55:15,600 --> 03:55:18,399
just for clarity and then I'll I'll kick

5877
03:55:17,120 --> 03:55:20,720
it back to the mayor and then I think

5878
03:55:18,399 --> 03:55:23,680
Melissa's not done with her question or

5879
03:55:20,720 --> 03:55:26,080
or time but u I mean obviously there's a

5880
03:55:23,680 --> 03:55:28,319
consensus that's forming already so

5881
03:55:26,080 --> 03:55:31,359
that's done um and so obviously

5882
03:55:28,319 --> 03:55:33,040
» They have to vote

5883
03:55:31,359 --> 03:55:36,479
» No we can't do it this morning

5884
03:55:33,040 --> 03:55:38,880
» About creating a working group not I

5885
03:55:36,479 --> 03:55:41,600
think an ad hoc group denotes that there

5886
03:55:38,880 --> 03:55:44,080
would be a three nonquorum

5887
03:55:41,600 --> 03:55:45,520
group decided by

5888
03:55:44,080 --> 03:55:47,199
» Let's use two different terms because

5889
03:55:45,520 --> 03:55:49,520
we're getting confused. So ad hoc

5890
03:55:47,199 --> 03:55:51,040
committee is a subcommittee of council

5891
03:55:49,520 --> 03:55:51,279
and it's only council members.

5892
03:55:51,040 --> 03:55:53,520
» Yeah.

5893
03:55:51,279 --> 03:55:54,000
» A work group is whatever you want it to

5894
03:55:53,520 --> 03:55:55,439
be.

5895
03:55:54,000 --> 03:55:57,439
» Right. And that would be decided by

5896
03:55:55,439 --> 03:55:59,520
council. Let's have Melissa finish your

5897
03:55:57,439 --> 03:56:02,160
comment and then over to Linda.

5898
03:55:59,520 --> 03:56:04,399
» Okay. I would be supportive then of a

5899
03:56:02,160 --> 03:56:07,359
work group that is decided by the entire

5900
03:56:04,399 --> 03:56:09,199
council. Um

5901
03:56:07,359 --> 03:56:12,520
and you know I even hesitate to say that

5902
03:56:09,199 --> 03:56:12,520
to be honest.

5903
03:56:12,560 --> 03:56:15,040
So, that's kind of where I'm at right

5904
03:56:14,640 --> 03:56:17,040
now.

5905
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:19,040
» Okay, Linda.

5906
03:56:17,040 --> 03:56:21,680
» Well, I think to be fair to all of us, I

5907
03:56:19,040 --> 03:56:23,840
think that we should all have input into

5908
03:56:21,680 --> 03:56:26,319
who would have the desire to be on the

5909
03:56:23,840 --> 03:56:30,080
committee and then honor that and then

5910
03:56:26,319 --> 03:56:31,920
whoever wants to be just I mean, do you

5911
03:56:30,080 --> 03:56:32,319
would you select that, mayor? Would who

5912
03:56:31,920 --> 03:56:34,319
would

5913
03:56:32,319 --> 03:56:38,479
» No, I think we're talking about

5914
03:56:34,319 --> 03:56:40,640
» What I I would what I would sug

5915
03:56:38,479 --> 03:56:42,640
I I I got an idea, but I uh Martin.

5916
03:56:40,640 --> 03:56:44,000
Sure. I I also have an idea too with a

5917
03:56:42,640 --> 03:56:45,279
lot of respect, you know, because

5918
03:56:44,000 --> 03:56:47,439
» No, I wouldn't be selecting.

5919
03:56:45,279 --> 03:56:49,680
» My my thought process was all right,

5920
03:56:47,439 --> 03:56:51,279
let's let's see what the consensus is.

5921
03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:54,319
And right now, the consensus seems to be

5922
03:56:51,279 --> 03:56:55,680
ad hoc is is what I'm at least four

5923
03:56:54,319 --> 03:56:56,640
people have said that. And I want

5924
03:56:55,680 --> 03:56:58,960
» Working group.

5925
03:56:56,640 --> 03:56:59,760
» Well, no, I've heard the word ad hoc.

5926
03:56:58,960 --> 03:57:01,359
» We haven't each

5927
03:56:59,760 --> 03:57:04,000
» But you said correct, but you said ad

5928
03:57:01,359 --> 03:57:05,439
hoc. You said ad hoc. You said ad hoc.

5929
03:57:04,000 --> 03:57:06,640
» I would like to clarify that to change

5930
03:57:05,439 --> 03:57:08,239
it to a working group.

5931
03:57:06,640 --> 03:57:11,439
» Okay. So, now we're changing. Okay.

5932
03:57:08,239 --> 03:57:13,680
» That that was the whole point. Yeah. So

5933
03:57:11,439 --> 03:57:15,520
two terms work group means

5934
03:57:13,680 --> 03:57:17,920
» Not council members they can be a part

5935
03:57:15,520 --> 03:57:19,359
of it but whatever way you want to set

5936
03:57:17,920 --> 03:57:22,479
up that group you can do whatever you

5937
03:57:19,359 --> 03:57:25,199
want ad hoc means only council members

5938
03:57:22,479 --> 03:57:27,279
» And a sub it's basically just it's like

5939
03:57:25,199 --> 03:57:29,199
fedra it's another committee of council

5940
03:57:27,279 --> 03:57:29,520
» But a nonquorum

5941
03:57:29,199 --> 03:57:31,199
or

5942
03:57:29,520 --> 03:57:32,880
» We could do it it would be a quorum it

5943
03:57:31,199 --> 03:57:35,120
would be just a public meeting okay

5944
03:57:32,880 --> 03:57:38,000
public meeting so not three members of

5945
03:57:35,120 --> 03:57:39,600
the council um actually were you done

5946
03:57:38,000 --> 03:57:41,920
selissa

5947
03:57:39,600 --> 03:57:44,479
» Hi that

5948
03:57:41,920 --> 03:57:47,279
» Uh yes I'm finished except that I think

5949
03:57:44,479 --> 03:57:48,800
now that we've clarified the question I

5950
03:57:47,279 --> 03:57:51,040
because we weren't all thinking the same

5951
03:57:48,800 --> 03:57:52,640
thing uh we were interpreting this

5952
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:54,800
differently so we might need to go

5953
03:57:52,640 --> 03:57:55,680
around again and say what everybody

5954
03:57:54,800 --> 03:57:57,760
thinks now

5955
03:57:55,680 --> 03:58:00,160
» Maybe that's a good idea Susan

5956
03:57:57,760 --> 03:58:01,600
» So I was what when I said ad hoc

5957
03:58:00,160 --> 03:58:04,479
committee I was thinking three council

5958
03:58:01,600 --> 03:58:08,479
members uh like we did when we were

5959
03:58:04,479 --> 03:58:10,160
first talking about um uh it was Kelly

5960
03:58:08,479 --> 03:58:11,439
» M commission we also Did that with you?

5961
03:58:10,160 --> 03:58:13,120
» We did it with the youth commission. We

5962
03:58:11,439 --> 03:58:15,680
did it with the senior commission and we

5963
03:58:13,120 --> 03:58:17,920
did it with um you know when we were

5964
03:58:15,680 --> 03:58:20,160
trying to figure out how to get people

5965
03:58:17,920 --> 03:58:22,800
to see federal way more. I can't think

5966
03:58:20,160 --> 03:58:23,920
of what uh Kelly was on it. Branding.

5967
03:58:22,800 --> 03:58:26,319
Yeah. Were you on it?

5968
03:58:23,920 --> 03:58:27,279
» Yeah. Well, there's three of And that

5969
03:58:26,319 --> 03:58:29,120
was what I was thinking.

5970
03:58:27,279 --> 03:58:30,800
» Yeah. And that's honestly that's what I

5971
03:58:29,120 --> 03:58:33,279
was thinking uh because I had remembered

5972
03:58:30,800 --> 03:58:36,640
that being my my previous practice. I

5973
03:58:33,279 --> 03:58:39,040
mean, obviously I want to do what's what

5974
03:58:36,640 --> 03:58:40,239
the content what the majority of council

5975
03:58:39,040 --> 03:58:43,760
members are saying because I know we

5976
03:58:40,239 --> 03:58:45,600
can't take votes here. Um, but

5977
03:58:43,760 --> 03:58:47,760
personally, I would tend to agree with

5978
03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:49,199
what uh Susan has mentioned because that

5979
03:58:47,760 --> 03:58:51,359
that's what I'm used to doing. That's

5980
03:58:49,199 --> 03:58:53,520
what I've was envisioning before, which

5981
03:58:51,359 --> 03:58:56,239
is let's just do an ad hoc. Let's let's

5982
03:58:53,520 --> 03:58:57,680
bring three or four people together. I'm

5983
03:58:56,239 --> 03:58:58,399
just this is in response to Susan's

5984
03:58:57,680 --> 03:59:00,239
thing. Um,

5985
03:58:58,399 --> 03:59:03,359
» Well, if it's four, they all the

5986
03:59:00,239 --> 03:59:05,279
» Three. Okay. So three three uh and then

5987
03:59:03,359 --> 03:59:06,080
um go through the process. Um so that

5988
03:59:05,279 --> 03:59:08,160
would be

5989
03:59:06,080 --> 03:59:09,840
» Brian wants to say something. Brian,

5990
03:59:08,160 --> 03:59:12,319
» This is just an effort to to kind of

5991
03:59:09,840 --> 03:59:15,439
corral this and that is um that the

5992
03:59:12,319 --> 03:59:17,680
council committees are set up to conduct

5993
03:59:15,439 --> 03:59:19,680
business and this is a business item.

5994
03:59:17,680 --> 03:59:22,080
The your committee is already set up and

5995
03:59:19,680 --> 03:59:24,720
that's the parks committee. Yeah. So to

5996
03:59:22,080 --> 03:59:26,239
council member Ces's point, you can and

5997
03:59:24,720 --> 03:59:27,760
there I know their agenda is full, but

5998
03:59:26,239 --> 03:59:28,960
this is exactly what the parks committee

5999
03:59:27,760 --> 03:59:30,080
is set up to do

6000
03:59:28,960 --> 03:59:31,279
» And all the council

6001
03:59:30,080 --> 03:59:33,199
» And all the council members attend

6002
03:59:31,279 --> 03:59:35,600
anyway and you have a a select group

6003
03:59:33,199 --> 03:59:38,239
that actually votes and so the structure

6004
03:59:35,600 --> 03:59:40,080
is already set in place. So Brian, my

6005
03:59:38,239 --> 03:59:42,160
answer would be is is to what council

6006
03:59:40,080 --> 03:59:44,479
member Sassum has said, which is let's

6007
03:59:42,160 --> 03:59:46,399
and I think I indicated too one earlier

6008
03:59:44,479 --> 03:59:49,199
in my comments, which is let's put it

6009
03:59:46,399 --> 03:59:51,520
into parks and then we'll kick it to

6010
03:59:49,199 --> 03:59:52,160
diversity and then parks again and then

6011
03:59:51,520 --> 03:59:52,640
city council.

6012
03:59:52,160 --> 03:59:56,880
» Linda,

6013
03:59:52,640 --> 03:59:59,920
» Excuse me. Excuse me.

6014
03:59:56,880 --> 04:00:01,920
» I don't want this council to be directed

6015
03:59:59,920 --> 04:00:04,479
one way or the other. I think that

6016
04:00:01,920 --> 04:00:06,399
anyone who has an interest should be

6017
04:00:04,479 --> 04:00:09,120
involved in this committee. It's not

6018
04:00:06,399 --> 04:00:10,800
just like a a normal topic. It's a

6019
04:00:09,120 --> 04:00:12,560
bigger topic than that. And it's very

6020
04:00:10,800 --> 04:00:14,560
important to many people in our

6021
04:00:12,560 --> 04:00:16,960
community. And I think that we should

6022
04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:18,640
have some kind of a formal group of

6023
04:00:16,960 --> 04:00:20,640
people who are interested, not just

6024
04:00:18,640 --> 04:00:24,239
three, because that can limit what

6025
04:00:20,640 --> 04:00:27,920
happens that we can have a meeting and

6026
04:00:24,239 --> 04:00:30,000
take input from the community, make some

6027
04:00:27,920 --> 04:00:32,560
suggestions, send it back to diversity

6028
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:34,800
or send it to um parks and then to

6029
04:00:32,560 --> 04:00:37,359
diversity. that I think that everyone

6030
04:00:34,800 --> 04:00:39,920
should have the opportunity to have a a

6031
04:00:37,359 --> 04:00:43,040
chance to vote on what should happen

6032
04:00:39,920 --> 04:00:44,560
here and I think that um the mayor is

6033
04:00:43,040 --> 04:00:45,920
the one that should appoint this

6034
04:00:44,560 --> 04:00:48,479
committee because I think that that

6035
04:00:45,920 --> 04:00:50,560
would be properly your job.

6036
04:00:48,479 --> 04:00:53,359
» Okay. Thank you. Uh Lydia,

6037
04:00:50,560 --> 04:00:54,239
» Could this just be a study session then?

6038
04:00:53,359 --> 04:00:56,479
So everyone

6039
04:00:54,239 --> 04:00:58,960
» Could in this you can vote. You could

6040
04:00:56,479 --> 04:01:01,279
vote to decide what to do. It's more

6041
04:00:58,960 --> 04:01:04,000
than just a study session or some kind

6042
04:01:01,279 --> 04:01:05,840
of a formal session. But, you know, if

6043
04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:08,080
you just have a study session, it it

6044
04:01:05,840 --> 04:01:09,520
really doesn't it doesn't give you any

6045
04:01:08,080 --> 04:01:12,000
teeth.

6046
04:01:09,520 --> 04:01:15,279
» Can you uh uh uh I'm going to call on

6047
04:01:12,000 --> 04:01:16,800
you Jack in just a sec. Ryan, are is a

6048
04:01:15,279 --> 04:01:17,840
vote allowed in a special meeting?

6049
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:19,439
» Yes.

6050
04:01:17,840 --> 04:01:22,000
» Okay. Uh Jack,

6051
04:01:19,439 --> 04:01:22,960
» I would hold on just for a second.

6052
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:24,880
Lydia, were you done?

6053
04:01:22,960 --> 04:01:27,520
» Yeah. No, the reason I'm saying is just

6054
04:01:24,880 --> 04:01:29,520
to support what you said is that instead

6055
04:01:27,520 --> 04:01:31,760
of three, let's all be involved in stuff

6056
04:01:29,520 --> 04:01:34,319
and I feel like that's the only time.

6057
04:01:31,760 --> 04:01:36,800
» Yeah, I feel like Okay, so that's why I

6058
04:01:34,319 --> 04:01:37,520
suggested study session.

6059
04:01:36,800 --> 04:01:39,199
Jack,

6060
04:01:37,520 --> 04:01:40,880
» I would simply say that that considering

6061
04:01:39,199 --> 04:01:43,760
our time constraints right now and we're

6062
04:01:40,880 --> 04:01:48,399
still balancing this bouncing this all

6063
04:01:43,760 --> 04:01:51,439
over is in one of our next special uh

6064
04:01:48,399 --> 04:01:54,000
city council meetings, why don't we

6065
04:01:51,439 --> 04:01:56,960
resume this subject, figure out exactly

6066
04:01:54,000 --> 04:02:00,239
how we want to to discuss it for the

6067
04:01:56,960 --> 04:02:02,960
future and so that right now we can

6068
04:02:00,239 --> 04:02:05,279
continue on with our agenda today and

6069
04:02:02,960 --> 04:02:08,239
and just take up where this discussion

6070
04:02:05,279 --> 04:02:10,319
is where we're leaving off now, take it

6071
04:02:08,239 --> 04:02:12,720
up in a future special meeting and we

6072
04:02:10,319 --> 04:02:16,160
can figure out what kind of system we

6073
04:02:12,720 --> 04:02:20,720
want to deise in order to work it out.

6074
04:02:16,160 --> 04:02:22,720
» Part of you so part of uh where there's

6075
04:02:20,720 --> 04:02:25,040
a quorum of council members, the

6076
04:02:22,720 --> 04:02:28,080
statute, the RCW said that the mayor

6077
04:02:25,040 --> 04:02:30,560
presumptively leads a discussion. Let me

6078
04:02:28,080 --> 04:02:31,600
ask you this, council, and I want to

6079
04:02:30,560 --> 04:02:34,720
listen. I'm going to throw this out

6080
04:02:31,600 --> 04:02:37,359
there. Um, would it be more helpful for

6081
04:02:34,720 --> 04:02:41,040
the council to meet in a study session

6082
04:02:37,359 --> 04:02:43,199
or, you know, in a in a in a non uh

6083
04:02:41,040 --> 04:02:45,600
there's a quorum that I I I but I could

6084
04:02:43,199 --> 04:02:47,920
selectively remove myself from that.

6085
04:02:45,600 --> 04:02:50,080
Would the council like to run this

6086
04:02:47,920 --> 04:02:52,160
themselves or have it be part of a study

6087
04:02:50,080 --> 04:02:54,560
session that I would run? That's I want

6088
04:02:52,160 --> 04:02:56,239
to kind of get the the feeling of this.

6089
04:02:54,560 --> 04:02:58,720
Do you want to do this on your own and

6090
04:02:56,239 --> 04:03:00,880
without without me there or do you want

6091
04:02:58,720 --> 04:03:03,840
to be having a study session? So I I

6092
04:03:00,880 --> 04:03:04,479
hear study session from both of you

6093
04:03:03,840 --> 04:03:06,960
» Or

6094
04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:09,359
» Yeah, I I say a special council meeting

6095
04:03:06,960 --> 04:03:12,760
and we can figure it out from there.

6096
04:03:09,359 --> 04:03:12,760
» Well, and maybe

6097
04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:15,920
I'm fine either way

6098
04:03:14,319 --> 04:03:17,600
» Because essentially what we're doing at

6099
04:03:15,920 --> 04:03:20,880
King County has what they call committee

6100
04:03:17,600 --> 04:03:22,960
of the whole. They call it a cow. Um and

6101
04:03:20,880 --> 04:03:25,199
they're just by short and they have

6102
04:03:22,960 --> 04:03:27,279
essentially these committee meetings but

6103
04:03:25,199 --> 04:03:29,840
they're essentially it's the committee

6104
04:03:27,279 --> 04:03:32,399
but the whole body is

6105
04:03:29,840 --> 04:03:33,920
» Yeah. Yeah. Aubry. Exactly. And I and so

6106
04:03:32,399 --> 04:03:36,319
they have what they call committee of

6107
04:03:33,920 --> 04:03:38,000
the whole. Um and I would respect that

6108
04:03:36,319 --> 04:03:40,319
if you guys wanted to meet as a

6109
04:03:38,000 --> 04:03:42,399
committee of the whole. I it wouldn't be

6110
04:03:40,319 --> 04:03:44,160
necessarily a special meeting. It'd be

6111
04:03:42,399 --> 04:03:45,840
something where I would I would let you

6112
04:03:44,160 --> 04:03:47,279
guys kind of you know kind of run it.

6113
04:03:45,840 --> 04:03:51,359
Susan, what do you what do you

6114
04:03:47,279 --> 04:03:52,960
» Um I I could see that, you know, that

6115
04:03:51,359 --> 04:03:56,640
that might be productive. I don't know

6116
04:03:52,960 --> 04:03:59,120
that it would be productive. Um

6117
04:03:56,640 --> 04:04:02,640
I think there's a lot of things that

6118
04:03:59,120 --> 04:04:05,279
need to be weeded out of

6119
04:04:02,640 --> 04:04:07,439
this discussion because before we go in

6120
04:04:05,279 --> 04:04:10,680
in front of the public I I mean I I

6121
04:04:07,439 --> 04:04:10,680
think three

6122
04:04:11,040 --> 04:04:14,560
I would say so for the committee of the

6123
04:04:12,960 --> 04:04:17,359
whole generally there's not public

6124
04:04:14,560 --> 04:04:20,960
comment and that would be I don't know

6125
04:04:17,359 --> 04:04:22,880
how we would do that. Um I'm not against

6126
04:04:20,960 --> 04:04:24,800
doing that. I just don't know how

6127
04:04:22,880 --> 04:04:27,199
productive it would be.

6128
04:04:24,800 --> 04:04:30,239
» So, but let's give it a try. Um, we need

6129
04:04:27,199 --> 04:04:33,040
to come up with a solution. And if the

6130
04:04:30,239 --> 04:04:34,800
solution is that we continue to talk and

6131
04:04:33,040 --> 04:04:37,520
talk and talk about it, that's a

6132
04:04:34,800 --> 04:04:38,720
solution. I I just don't I don't see a

6133
04:04:37,520 --> 04:04:40,560
solution right now.

6134
04:04:38,720 --> 04:04:42,399
» Do you with those committee meetings, do

6135
04:04:40,560 --> 04:04:43,439
they do they have public input or is it

6136
04:04:42,399 --> 04:04:44,880
just

6137
04:04:43,439 --> 04:04:45,359
» I was just about to ask Ryan whether

6138
04:04:44,880 --> 04:04:46,560
that's

6139
04:04:45,359 --> 04:04:48,560
» We're really getting wrapped up around

6140
04:04:46,560 --> 04:04:50,720
the names of things. So, do we want to

6141
04:04:48,560 --> 04:04:52,000
meet as a group with or without the

6142
04:04:50,720 --> 04:04:53,040
mayor? I think that's the question.

6143
04:04:52,000 --> 04:04:54,160
» Yeah, that's a that's a question.

6144
04:04:53,040 --> 04:04:55,680
» We can call whatever we want after.

6145
04:04:54,160 --> 04:04:57,279
» Okay. So, let's go around the So, let's

6146
04:04:55,680 --> 04:05:00,239
let's try to get consensus before we

6147
04:04:57,279 --> 04:05:03,520
break for lunch you guys about whether

6148
04:05:00,239 --> 04:05:06,479
we do a non-majority quorum uh you know

6149
04:05:03,520 --> 04:05:08,080
a non uh you know like a what has

6150
04:05:06,479 --> 04:05:09,760
traditionally always been an ad hoc

6151
04:05:08,080 --> 04:05:11,760
group of a non- majority. Yeah.

6152
04:05:09,760 --> 04:05:13,520
» And to your question, I'm sorry I didn't

6153
04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:15,120
actually answer the question. The public

6154
04:05:13,520 --> 04:05:15,520
can be there for all any of these

6155
04:05:15,120 --> 04:05:17,120
things.

6156
04:05:15,520 --> 04:05:17,600
» What about public comment? Just public

6157
04:05:17,120 --> 04:05:18,960
comment.

6158
04:05:17,600 --> 04:05:20,479
» Whatever we want. If you want public

6159
04:05:18,960 --> 04:05:23,359
comment, ask for public comment. Yeah.

6160
04:05:20,479 --> 04:05:25,040
Okay. So, um let's let's weigh in on

6161
04:05:23,359 --> 04:05:27,359
because it sounds like we're the the

6162
04:05:25,040 --> 04:05:29,359
council is going to have whether it's at

6163
04:05:27,359 --> 04:05:31,040
comm council committee that I guess here

6164
04:05:29,359 --> 04:05:33,359
are the sort of the general options.

6165
04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:37,359
Okay. When we first start talking about

6166
04:05:33,359 --> 04:05:39,520
this um a nonquorum, so three members of

6167
04:05:37,359 --> 04:05:41,600
the council meet to sort of hash out

6168
04:05:39,520 --> 04:05:43,680
some of these issues. That's one that's

6169
04:05:41,600 --> 04:05:46,319
that's one possible option. The other

6170
04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:49,359
option is committee the public the parks

6171
04:05:46,319 --> 04:05:50,720
as Brian set forth and as as Lesa said

6172
04:05:49,359 --> 04:05:52,239
um we just send it to the parks

6173
04:05:50,720 --> 04:05:54,319
committee and we see where we go from

6174
04:05:52,239 --> 04:05:58,720
there but ultimately three members of

6175
04:05:54,319 --> 04:06:01,199
the council get the vote there um or a

6176
04:05:58,720 --> 04:06:03,920
um a study session or committee of the

6177
04:06:01,199 --> 04:06:06,319
whole um with or without me a normal

6178
04:06:03,920 --> 04:06:08,640
study session I'm there um but with the

6179
04:06:06,319 --> 04:06:11,040
council you know is that helpful is that

6180
04:06:08,640 --> 04:06:13,199
not helpful you want me there I'm good

6181
04:06:11,040 --> 04:06:14,399
either way I I'm I'm willing to be

6182
04:06:13,199 --> 04:06:16,239
either way, but I I want to make sure

6183
04:06:14,399 --> 04:06:18,800
I'm respecting your voice and your

6184
04:06:16,239 --> 04:06:20,640
process. Why? And we've been going this

6185
04:06:18,800 --> 04:06:22,479
way. Why don't we go back the other way

6186
04:06:20,640 --> 04:06:23,439
and and council president, we'll we'll

6187
04:06:22,479 --> 04:06:25,520
end with you.

6188
04:06:23,439 --> 04:06:27,359
» Um let let's Melissa thoughts.

6189
04:06:25,520 --> 04:06:28,319
» So the question is with or without the

6190
04:06:27,359 --> 04:06:31,040
mayor. Is that the way?

6191
04:06:28,319 --> 04:06:32,479
» Yeah. Or and also uh committ

6192
04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:35,120
» All of us or three.

6193
04:06:32,479 --> 04:06:36,880
» Yeah. Three members. Three members or

6194
04:06:35,120 --> 04:06:39,040
council committee or council of the

6195
04:06:36,880 --> 04:06:41,600
whole. And if it's council of the whole

6196
04:06:39,040 --> 04:06:44,319
with or without me Melissa

6197
04:06:41,600 --> 04:06:47,760
» Meet as a group with the mayor.

6198
04:06:44,319 --> 04:06:51,199
» Okay. Less

6199
04:06:47,760 --> 04:06:54,000
» Committee uh followed closely by meet as

6200
04:06:51,199 --> 04:06:55,040
a group with the mayor.

6201
04:06:54,000 --> 04:06:56,800
» Okay.

6202
04:06:55,040 --> 04:06:58,479
» So I'll be different. I let's go ahead

6203
04:06:56,800 --> 04:07:01,600
and meet as a group without the mayor. I

6204
04:06:58,479 --> 04:07:04,160
think that um it's a discussion council

6205
04:07:01,600 --> 04:07:06,960
needs to have. It'll be a council policy

6206
04:07:04,160 --> 04:07:07,600
and mayor doesn't make policy. Okay.

6207
04:07:06,960 --> 04:07:08,960
Sorry.

6208
04:07:07,600 --> 04:07:11,040
» Oh, no. The mayor doesn't make

6209
04:07:08,960 --> 04:07:12,399
» I follow policy. Um, that's right.

6210
04:07:11,040 --> 04:07:13,760
That's right. It's the executive. But

6211
04:07:12,399 --> 04:07:16,000
thank you, Lydia.

6212
04:07:13,760 --> 04:07:17,359
» I say committee of the whole with the

6213
04:07:16,000 --> 04:07:18,560
mayor, though, because your input is

6214
04:07:17,359 --> 04:07:20,560
just so valuable.

6215
04:07:18,560 --> 04:07:22,160
» Well, thank you. Um, but I understand

6216
04:07:20,560 --> 04:07:24,560
exactly what Susan's saying. I get it. I

6217
04:07:22,160 --> 04:07:26,319
get it. Um, this is all about just

6218
04:07:24,560 --> 04:07:27,279
coming to good resolutions, you guys.

6219
04:07:26,319 --> 04:07:29,120
Uh, Jack,

6220
04:07:27,279 --> 04:07:31,040
» Uh, committee the whole whether it's

6221
04:07:29,120 --> 04:07:32,000
with with or without the mayor, I'm

6222
04:07:31,040 --> 04:07:33,680
finding a way.

6223
04:07:32,000 --> 04:07:35,279
» Okay. All right.

6224
04:07:33,680 --> 04:07:36,720
» Committee the whole with the mayor and

6225
04:07:35,279 --> 04:07:38,720
I'm fine with whether

6226
04:07:36,720 --> 04:07:40,560
public is there or not? I think they

6227
04:07:38,720 --> 04:07:42,880
should

6228
04:07:40,560 --> 04:07:43,840
be there.

6229
04:07:42,880 --> 04:07:46,720
But

6230
04:07:43,840 --> 04:07:48,560
» Very good, Martin.

6231
04:07:46,720 --> 04:07:49,199
» Um

6232
04:07:48,560 --> 04:07:50,960
I [clears throat]

6233
04:07:49,199 --> 04:07:52,720
uh I mean my job as council president is

6234
04:07:50,960 --> 04:07:55,439
to go where the consensus is. Yeah.

6235
04:07:52,720 --> 04:07:57,199
» And it seems like the consensus is uh

6236
04:07:55,439 --> 04:07:58,479
having a meeting with the mayor uh

6237
04:07:57,199 --> 04:08:00,000
present and that's that's what I will

6238
04:07:58,479 --> 04:08:02,160
support as council president.

6239
04:08:00,000 --> 04:08:03,600
» Okay, you guys. I I think we got it. I

6240
04:08:02,160 --> 04:08:05,040
think we've got what we'll do is we'll

6241
04:08:03,600 --> 04:08:07,680
call it. Do we call

6242
04:08:05,040 --> 04:08:09,680
» Sorry. Yeah. Uh I I do think and this is

6243
04:08:07,680 --> 04:08:11,439
expected I think so but I want to put on

6244
04:08:09,680 --> 04:08:13,359
record that it is absolutely important

6245
04:08:11,439 --> 04:08:14,880
for us to get public input y

6246
04:08:13,359 --> 04:08:16,000
» Um and I still hope that it'll go

6247
04:08:14,880 --> 04:08:17,520
through the committee and I still hope

6248
04:08:16,000 --> 04:08:18,960
that it'll go through the commission

6249
04:08:17,520 --> 04:08:21,359
» That I think that we are all in

6250
04:08:18,960 --> 04:08:23,359
agreement we make sure what the council

6251
04:08:21,359 --> 04:08:25,359
what council president Moore just said

6252
04:08:23,359 --> 04:08:28,239
what what Martin just said are we all in

6253
04:08:25,359 --> 04:08:30,560
agreement that this will go through a

6254
04:08:28,239 --> 04:08:32,479
committee and that in one form at one

6255
04:08:30,560 --> 04:08:34,000
point or another it will get discussed

6256
04:08:32,479 --> 04:08:36,000
by the diversity commission absolutely

6257
04:08:34,000 --> 04:08:38,880
» Are we all in agreement with That

6258
04:08:36,000 --> 04:08:39,600
» Is there any concern?

6259
04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:42,239
» May.

6260
04:08:39,600 --> 04:08:44,640
» Okay. All right. Um I think we got it.

6261
04:08:42,239 --> 04:08:47,040
Now would we call this this committee of

6262
04:08:44,640 --> 04:08:48,880
the whole just a study session

6263
04:08:47,040 --> 04:08:50,896
» Or a special meeting?

6264
04:08:48,880 --> 04:08:51,359
» What's your preference?

6265
04:08:50,896 --> 04:08:53,920
[laughter]

6266
04:08:51,359 --> 04:08:56,479
» Just a study session.

6267
04:08:53,920 --> 04:08:57,359
» But in terms

6268
04:08:56,479 --> 04:08:57,680
of terminology.

6269
04:08:57,359 --> 04:09:00,160
» Yeah.

6270
04:08:57,680 --> 04:09:01,760
» Okay. I don't what the problem with a

6271
04:09:00,160 --> 04:09:05,520
study session right before a council

6272
04:09:01,760 --> 04:09:07,920
meeting is we're um time

6273
04:09:05,520 --> 04:09:10,239
» And um

6274
04:09:07,920 --> 04:09:12,640
so unless we all come with our thoughts

6275
04:09:10,239 --> 04:09:15,040
together and we can have a constructive

6276
04:09:12,640 --> 04:09:18,640
con conversation

6277
04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:23,439
u you know maybe we need to have it on a

6278
04:09:18,640 --> 04:09:25,359
day other than a normal Tuesday or if we

6279
04:09:23,439 --> 04:09:29,760
do it on a normal Tuesday before council

6280
04:09:25,359 --> 04:09:32,080
meeting uh be prepared to start at 5 and

6281
04:09:29,760 --> 04:09:32,720
know that we have till 6:15 at the

6282
04:09:32,080 --> 04:09:33,680
latest.

6283
04:09:32,720 --> 04:09:35,439
» Yeah.

6284
04:09:33,680 --> 04:09:38,080
» And just be prepared with your thoughts

6285
04:09:35,439 --> 04:09:39,520
and what you you know what it is you

6286
04:09:38,080 --> 04:09:39,840
want to say and and how you want to say

6287
04:09:39,520 --> 04:09:41,680
it.

6288
04:09:39,840 --> 04:09:44,560
» And if we try five and we don't have

6289
04:09:41,680 --> 04:09:46,800
enough time,

6290
04:09:44,560 --> 04:09:47,439
» We can always go for another day. Uh

6291
04:09:46,800 --> 04:09:49,279
Lydia,

6292
04:09:47,439 --> 04:09:52,239
» So this is a question. If it's a study

6293
04:09:49,279 --> 04:09:53,680
session, staff has to do a presentation

6294
04:09:52,239 --> 04:09:56,160
like you would have to

6295
04:09:53,680 --> 04:09:57,760
» Uh I don't think we need I think the

6296
04:09:56,160 --> 04:09:58,160
only presentation would be what we just

6297
04:09:57,760 --> 04:09:59,760
got.

6298
04:09:58,160 --> 04:10:01,920
» Okay. So

6299
04:09:59,760 --> 04:10:03,840
» Is all we need really is just we need a

6300
04:10:01,920 --> 04:10:05,359
rubric for the legal requirements and

6301
04:10:03,840 --> 04:10:05,920
then after that it's kind of whatever

6302
04:10:05,359 --> 04:10:08,160
you want.

6303
04:10:05,920 --> 04:10:10,239
» All right. Just wanted to know how we

6304
04:10:08,160 --> 04:10:11,760
» So yes, I would start with something

6305
04:10:10,239 --> 04:10:16,720
very similar to this. Maybe a little

6306
04:10:11,760 --> 04:10:18,399
more concise and be done. And is council

6307
04:10:16,720 --> 04:10:19,279
okay if we start a little bit earlier

6308
04:10:18,399 --> 04:10:21,920
before 5?

6309
04:10:19,279 --> 04:10:23,199
» Well, I I do have a hesitation on that

6310
04:10:21,920 --> 04:10:24,640
because there are people that work in

6311
04:10:23,199 --> 04:10:27,199
the community, do they want to

6312
04:10:24,640 --> 04:10:30,800
participate in this? So, I would advise

6313
04:10:27,199 --> 04:10:32,560
um 5:30 5:45 and and and like the mayor

6314
04:10:30,800 --> 04:10:34,399
said, like the mayor said, and I I do

6315
04:10:32,560 --> 04:10:36,000
agree with him on this, but that's if if

6316
04:10:34,399 --> 04:10:38,160
we need to have the conversation again,

6317
04:10:36,000 --> 04:10:39,600
we we'll we'll have it again, but I want

6318
04:10:38,160 --> 04:10:43,680
to make sure that people are able to

6319
04:10:39,600 --> 04:10:44,399
attend um after work.

6320
04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:46,160
five o'clock.

6321
04:10:44,399 --> 04:10:48,720
» A lot of our special meetings start at

6322
04:10:46,160 --> 04:10:49,120
five. Um and

6323
04:10:48,720 --> 04:10:50,720
» Okay.

6324
04:10:49,120 --> 04:10:52,479
» You know, it is what it is. It's five

6325
04:10:50,720 --> 04:10:53,680
o'clock. I mean, most of them last year

6326
04:10:52,479 --> 04:10:54,000
started at five. So,

6327
04:10:53,680 --> 04:10:54,720
» Okay.

6328
04:10:54,000 --> 04:10:56,479
» Yes.

6329
04:10:54,720 --> 04:10:58,640
» Less I know you're coming from Seattle

6330
04:10:56,479 --> 04:10:59,439
from Udub. Is that if we do it at five?

6331
04:10:58,640 --> 04:11:01,600
Are you

6332
04:10:59,439 --> 04:11:04,080
» On Mondays or Tuesdays?

6333
04:11:01,600 --> 04:11:06,000
» Oh,

6334
04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:07,199
so Tuesdays like a council meeting that

6335
04:11:06,000 --> 04:11:07,439
would not be good for you or it would

6336
04:11:07,199 --> 04:11:07,920
be.

6337
04:11:07,439 --> 04:11:09,120
» It would be.

6338
04:11:07,920 --> 04:11:12,000
» It would be. Okay. Good. I just want to

6339
04:11:09,120 --> 04:11:14,560
make sure. Oh. Um, I was thinking in in

6340
04:11:12,000 --> 04:11:16,319
terms of what Lydia was saying, uh, not

6341
04:11:14,560 --> 04:11:20,160
that we need a presentation, but I need

6342
04:11:16,319 --> 04:11:22,319
staff to maybe check policies for other

6343
04:11:20,160 --> 04:11:22,960
cities that they have. That would be

6344
04:11:22,319 --> 04:11:25,600
very helpful.

6345
04:11:22,960 --> 04:11:27,600
» That would be okay. You guys, great

6346
04:11:25,600 --> 04:11:30,319
discussion. We, you know, I once again I

6347
04:11:27,600 --> 04:11:31,760
thought be best laid plans, right? I

6348
04:11:30,319 --> 04:11:35,359
said 30 minutes. We're almost at an

6349
04:11:31,760 --> 04:11:37,359
hour. This was a this is uh a government

6350
04:11:35,359 --> 04:11:38,960
at work. But you know you guys it's it's

6351
04:11:37,359 --> 04:11:41,279
the people's it's the people's business

6352
04:11:38,960 --> 04:11:43,279
at work and great discussion. Really

6353
04:11:41,279 --> 04:11:45,520
good. Thank you so much. Hey you guys,

6354
04:11:43,279 --> 04:11:48,319
are we good for uh should we reconvene

6355
04:11:45,520 --> 04:11:50,560
at uh 1.

6356
04:11:48,319 --> 04:11:52,319
» Okay, let's reconvene at 1 uh for lunch.

6357
04:11:50,560 --> 04:11:54,000
We are in recess for lunch. Great job

6358
04:11:52,319 --> 04:11:55,279
everybody.

6359
04:11:54,000 --> 04:11:58,319
Good job.

6360
04:11:55,279 --> 04:12:00,160
» Okay, I will uh call the meeting back to

6361
04:11:58,319 --> 04:12:02,720
order.

6362
04:12:00,160 --> 04:12:04,319
Uh let's go ahead and get started on uh

6363
04:12:02,720 --> 04:12:08,239
immigration and custom enforcement

6364
04:12:04,319 --> 04:12:10,319
community concerns. Um and uh uh should

6365
04:12:08,239 --> 04:12:11,199
I have uh uh should I have the chief go

6366
04:12:10,319 --> 04:12:13,120
first? Y.

6367
04:12:11,199 --> 04:12:16,560
» All right. Uh chief, let's just walk

6368
04:12:13,120 --> 04:12:17,920
through um uh your uh uh your

6369
04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:21,279
presentation regarding the keep

6370
04:12:17,920 --> 04:12:23,279
Washington working act um compliance and

6371
04:12:21,279 --> 04:12:24,880
then I think our our council president I

6372
04:12:23,279 --> 04:12:25,439
think Martin has something to say. Go

6373
04:12:24,880 --> 04:12:28,560
ahead.

6374
04:12:25,439 --> 04:12:31,040
» Okay. Uh keep good afternoon everyone.

6375
04:12:28,560 --> 04:12:33,680
Uh, keep Washington working act is a

6376
04:12:31,040 --> 04:12:37,279
state law uh making uh the state of

6377
04:12:33,680 --> 04:12:41,520
Washington a sanctuary state uh which

6378
04:12:37,279 --> 04:12:45,359
means that uh state agencies, county and

6379
04:12:41,520 --> 04:12:48,479
municip municipalities are restricted on

6380
04:12:45,359 --> 04:12:51,120
cooperating uh coordinating with federal

6381
04:12:48,479 --> 04:12:54,120
government and with uh immigration

6382
04:12:51,120 --> 04:12:54,120
enforcement.

6383
04:12:55,120 --> 04:13:02,720
Um, keep Washington working act uh was

6384
04:12:58,800 --> 04:13:07,199
enacted uh in 2019 about five and a half

6385
04:13:02,720 --> 04:13:10,239
years ago. Um, as I stated, it limits u

6386
04:13:07,199 --> 04:13:13,120
the role of state and local agencies

6387
04:13:10,239 --> 04:13:15,680
uh from enforcing federal uh civil

6388
04:13:13,120 --> 04:13:18,680
immigration laws.

6389
04:13:15,680 --> 04:13:18,680
Um,

6390
04:13:20,560 --> 04:13:26,399
one of the things we can't do in our uh

6391
04:13:23,359 --> 04:13:28,640
daily practice is we can't inquire. We

6392
04:13:26,399 --> 04:13:33,640
can't inquire about people's immigration

6393
04:13:28,640 --> 04:13:33,640
status is part of this act.

6394
04:13:35,920 --> 04:13:40,399
Uh, restriction on cooperation with f

6395
04:13:38,319 --> 04:13:42,479
federal authority. Now, this is probably

6396
04:13:40,399 --> 04:13:45,840
the biggest issue which is the detainer

6397
04:13:42,479 --> 04:13:48,319
issue. Now for us, we are not we don't

6398
04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:51,199
have a jail. So it's not the issue. What

6399
04:13:48,319 --> 04:13:52,640
the federal agency uh is asking and the

6400
04:13:51,199 --> 04:13:55,439
main thing that they're asking is that

6401
04:13:52,640 --> 04:13:57,920
when someone is is arrested,

6402
04:13:55,439 --> 04:13:59,520
incarcerated that if they have a

6403
04:13:57,920 --> 04:14:02,399
detainer

6404
04:13:59,520 --> 04:14:05,840
um that they would honor that. As a

6405
04:14:02,399 --> 04:14:08,720
sanctuary state, we do not honor federal

6406
04:14:05,840 --> 04:14:11,600
detainers. So if somebody's in custody,

6407
04:14:08,720 --> 04:14:13,520
the court decisions um whether they have

6408
04:14:11,600 --> 04:14:15,120
a detainer or not, when the matter is

6409
04:14:13,520 --> 04:14:18,239
addressed, they're just released from

6410
04:14:15,120 --> 04:14:20,319
custody. So now before this law went law

6411
04:14:18,239 --> 04:14:22,800
went into effect five and a half years

6412
04:14:20,319 --> 04:14:27,279
ago, majority of the jails in the state

6413
04:14:22,800 --> 04:14:30,640
of Washington did um uh honor detainers.

6414
04:14:27,279 --> 04:14:33,120
So what KWWA did is one of the big

6415
04:14:30,640 --> 04:14:35,279
things that it did is we no longer honor

6416
04:14:33,120 --> 04:14:36,960
detainers period as a state by state

6417
04:14:35,279 --> 04:14:40,159
law. So that's the biggest thing that's

6418
04:14:36,960 --> 04:14:42,000
really happened. Um,

6419
04:14:40,159 --> 04:14:44,239
one of the things we can't do is state

6420
04:14:42,000 --> 04:14:46,560
law also preempts anything that

6421
04:14:44,239 --> 04:14:49,199
municipalities in terms of immigration

6422
04:14:46,560 --> 04:14:52,239
enforcement. So state law preempts any

6423
04:14:49,199 --> 04:14:54,159
of that. We can't be creating our own uh

6424
04:14:52,239 --> 04:14:55,920
immigration laws or enforcing

6425
04:14:54,159 --> 04:14:58,640
immigration laws. We can't do that. It's

6426
04:14:55,920 --> 04:15:00,080
it's it's at the state level. This issue

6427
04:14:58,640 --> 04:15:02,479
really needs to be dealt with at the

6428
04:15:00,080 --> 04:15:05,199
state level and at the federal level. I

6429
04:15:02,479 --> 04:15:07,120
know we get emails about asking policy

6430
04:15:05,199 --> 04:15:09,840
group to do something here, but bottom

6431
04:15:07,120 --> 04:15:12,720
line is we would be just one city. We're

6432
04:15:09,840 --> 04:15:14,880
like one city out of 38 in King County,

6433
04:15:12,720 --> 04:15:18,080
more than 260, you know, cities

6434
04:15:14,880 --> 04:15:20,800
statewide. Having each city having its

6435
04:15:18,080 --> 04:15:22,960
rules, it would be very confusing for,

6436
04:15:20,800 --> 04:15:25,199
you know, government, residents, what

6437
04:15:22,960 --> 04:15:30,439
have you. So bottom line is state law

6438
04:15:25,199 --> 04:15:30,439
preempts anything that cities might do.

6439
04:15:31,760 --> 04:15:37,359
we can't share any information with the

6440
04:15:34,000 --> 04:15:39,439
federal government. Um bottom line and

6441
04:15:37,359 --> 04:15:41,359
there's also policy adoption

6442
04:15:39,439 --> 04:15:44,399
requirements you know for schools,

6443
04:15:41,359 --> 04:15:47,359
healthc care facilities, courouses. I

6444
04:15:44,399 --> 04:15:49,520
don't know all the details but uh KWWA

6445
04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:51,520
is pretty comprehensive and bottom line

6446
04:15:49,520 --> 04:15:53,279
is you can't be asking people's

6447
04:15:51,520 --> 04:15:56,000
immigration status whether they go to

6448
04:15:53,279 --> 04:15:59,920
public school or health facilities is

6449
04:15:56,000 --> 04:16:01,600
mainly the the law there. I added this u

6450
04:15:59,920 --> 04:16:03,680
bottom line is the Federal Way Police

6451
04:16:01,600 --> 04:16:05,359
Department. Now, we don't own a jail. We

6452
04:16:03,680 --> 04:16:07,520
were part of ownership several years

6453
04:16:05,359 --> 04:16:10,399
ago, but we don't have a jail. So,

6454
04:16:07,520 --> 04:16:13,199
really there isn't anything that uh we

6455
04:16:10,399 --> 04:16:16,239
didn't do immigration enforcement before

6456
04:16:13,199 --> 04:16:18,720
the um the sanctuary law went into

6457
04:16:16,239 --> 04:16:21,120
place. Uh we just simply didn't do it.

6458
04:16:18,720 --> 04:16:24,159
We don't really have uh the information

6459
04:16:21,120 --> 04:16:26,319
or resources prioritizing what we do in

6460
04:16:24,159 --> 04:16:28,319
terms of policing. So, immigration

6461
04:16:26,319 --> 04:16:30,640
enforcement was not something that we

6462
04:16:28,319 --> 04:16:34,000
really did even before the uh the new

6463
04:16:30,640 --> 04:16:37,120
laws. Um, and then again, back to the

6464
04:16:34,000 --> 04:16:39,040
detainer thing is the main thing that

6465
04:16:37,120 --> 04:16:40,640
was a significant change because no

6466
04:16:39,040 --> 04:16:42,239
municipalities were really doing

6467
04:16:40,640 --> 04:16:44,720
immigration enforcement even before the

6468
04:16:42,239 --> 04:16:48,399
new law, but it was the the jails that's

6469
04:16:44,720 --> 04:16:50,159
where the issue was. So, we fully comply

6470
04:16:48,399 --> 04:16:52,640
here in Federal Way. We fully comply

6471
04:16:50,159 --> 04:16:56,000
with the the uh keep Washington working

6472
04:16:52,640 --> 04:16:56,000
act state law.

6473
04:16:56,080 --> 04:17:00,640
And then uh at the last council meeting

6474
04:16:58,319 --> 04:17:03,279
uh council president Moore asked uh for

6475
04:17:00,640 --> 04:17:06,000
me to talk about flock. Um that's been

6476
04:17:03,279 --> 04:17:08,560
kind of a hot issue. So I wanted to kind

6477
04:17:06,000 --> 04:17:10,560
of explain far as what we've been doing

6478
04:17:08,560 --> 04:17:14,479
here in Federal Way. We've been really

6479
04:17:10,560 --> 04:17:18,080
strategic. We've been u about in terms

6480
04:17:14,479 --> 04:17:20,000
of technology and innovation. So, this

6481
04:17:18,080 --> 04:17:22,319
isn't something that we've done uh

6482
04:17:20,000 --> 04:17:25,520
overnight, but really we really ratched

6483
04:17:22,319 --> 04:17:27,760
it up last 12 years or so in terms of

6484
04:17:25,520 --> 04:17:30,640
using technology to make our community

6485
04:17:27,760 --> 04:17:33,600
safer. Bottom line, eliminating any of

6486
04:17:30,640 --> 04:17:36,080
these technology or flock is no doubt is

6487
04:17:33,600 --> 04:17:38,239
going to make our community less safe.

6488
04:17:36,080 --> 04:17:40,560
Um, one of the things that we really

6489
04:17:38,239 --> 04:17:43,600
invested quite a bit is our safe city

6490
04:17:40,560 --> 04:17:47,359
program. Uh, today, uh, we have more

6491
04:17:43,600 --> 04:17:50,239
than 260 cameras. We have uh safe city

6492
04:17:47,359 --> 04:17:53,359
cameras at just about every intersection

6493
04:17:50,239 --> 04:17:55,279
and the number one um how we use that

6494
04:17:53,359 --> 04:17:57,600
technology is really traffic accidents.

6495
04:17:55,279 --> 04:17:59,680
We get traffic accidents where we have

6496
04:17:57,600 --> 04:18:01,359
failed the yield rightway. It's amazing

6497
04:17:59,680 --> 04:18:03,600
how both drivers, you know, had the

6498
04:18:01,359 --> 04:18:05,760
green light, had the rideway. I'll tell

6499
04:18:03,600 --> 04:18:07,760
you what, over and over our safe city

6500
04:18:05,760 --> 04:18:09,520
cameras, you know, there's video

6501
04:18:07,760 --> 04:18:12,000
evidence of who had the rightway. So,

6502
04:18:09,520 --> 04:18:13,359
it's been a great tool to for officers

6503
04:18:12,000 --> 04:18:16,000
when they're investigating traffic

6504
04:18:13,359 --> 04:18:17,760
accidents. I think we're down to maybe a

6505
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:19,439
little over a dozen intersections that

6506
04:18:17,760 --> 04:18:21,199
don't have cameras, but pretty much in

6507
04:18:19,439 --> 04:18:23,520
Federal Way because of our really our

6508
04:18:21,199 --> 04:18:25,600
investment,

6509
04:18:23,520 --> 04:18:28,479
we have safe city cameras just about

6510
04:18:25,600 --> 04:18:31,439
every uh intersection and key locations

6511
04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:34,159
throughout our city. Of the 20 260

6512
04:18:31,439 --> 04:18:36,239
cameras, we have nine uh license plate

6513
04:18:34,159 --> 04:18:39,359
reader capability cameras within our

6514
04:18:36,239 --> 04:18:42,239
safe city program about nine locations

6515
04:18:39,359 --> 04:18:45,520
with total of 26 approaches. We have 26

6516
04:18:42,239 --> 04:18:46,880
cameras uh recording over time. Now

6517
04:18:45,520 --> 04:18:48,800
before I forget, I want to thank

6518
04:18:46,880 --> 04:18:51,920
director Fetchner and it because over

6519
04:18:48,800 --> 04:18:54,080
the years they play a critical role uh

6520
04:18:51,920 --> 04:18:56,800
installing all these cameras. So um

6521
04:18:54,080 --> 04:18:59,120
they've been a a great partner for that.

6522
04:18:56,800 --> 04:19:02,640
Far as Flock camera, currently we have

6523
04:18:59,120 --> 04:19:04,319
one location um with four cameras at an

6524
04:19:02,640 --> 04:19:08,000
intersection on the west end of our

6525
04:19:04,319 --> 04:19:09,840
city. And then a few years ago with ARPA

6526
04:19:08,000 --> 04:19:12,960
money, we invested in uh mobile

6527
04:19:09,840 --> 04:19:14,720
surveillance trailers uh MSTS

6528
04:19:12,960 --> 04:19:16,159
and we have those uh and they've been

6529
04:19:14,720 --> 04:19:19,439
really popular with our business

6530
04:19:16,159 --> 04:19:21,439
community. Not as much lately because

6531
04:19:19,439 --> 04:19:23,520
because of our crime reduction, we're

6532
04:19:21,439 --> 04:19:25,840
not seeing as much rampid vehicle prow

6533
04:19:23,520 --> 04:19:28,000
and other crime. So they haven't been as

6534
04:19:25,840 --> 04:19:30,560
popular, but we have them at uh you know

6535
04:19:28,000 --> 04:19:32,159
key business locations uh throughout the

6536
04:19:30,560 --> 04:19:33,520
city and they've been really really

6537
04:19:32,159 --> 04:19:35,359
popular.

6538
04:19:33,520 --> 04:19:38,560
We have four patrol vehicles that are

6539
04:19:35,359 --> 04:19:40,720
equipped with uh ALPR technology and

6540
04:19:38,560 --> 04:19:42,640
we've had those for you know 10 plus

6541
04:19:40,720 --> 04:19:45,120
years and they've been a a tremendous

6542
04:19:42,640 --> 04:19:46,960
tool uh mainly for really recovering

6543
04:19:45,120 --> 04:19:49,120
stolen vehicles. So when we have a

6544
04:19:46,960 --> 04:19:51,040
stolen vehicle officers are driving

6545
04:19:49,120 --> 04:19:53,199
through apartment complexes, parking

6546
04:19:51,040 --> 04:19:55,040
lots and it's reading hundreds hundreds

6547
04:19:53,199 --> 04:19:57,120
and thousands of license plate in a

6548
04:19:55,040 --> 04:19:59,439
given ship. So we're able to find

6549
04:19:57,120 --> 04:20:01,199
unoccupied stolen vehicles at times

6550
04:19:59,439 --> 04:20:04,720
occupied stolen vehicles. So, they've

6551
04:20:01,199 --> 04:20:06,720
been a tremendous tool uh for that. And

6552
04:20:04,720 --> 04:20:08,720
then recently, council approved our

6553
04:20:06,720 --> 04:20:11,199
drone as a first responder program and

6554
04:20:08,720 --> 04:20:12,960
that's going to be a a new technology.

6555
04:20:11,199 --> 04:20:15,920
It's going to be a tremendous asset for

6556
04:20:12,960 --> 04:20:18,960
officer safety, finding missing persons.

6557
04:20:15,920 --> 04:20:20,479
It has thermal heat imaging. So, if we

6558
04:20:18,960 --> 04:20:22,319
have somebody hiding in the woods or

6559
04:20:20,479 --> 04:20:24,479
lost in the woods, we'll be able to

6560
04:20:22,319 --> 04:20:26,239
quickly find uh people or assist

6561
04:20:24,479 --> 04:20:28,640
officers. We'll have air. Bottom line is

6562
04:20:26,239 --> 04:20:30,399
we'll have air support because many of

6563
04:20:28,640 --> 04:20:32,479
our calls were asking if King County

6564
04:20:30,399 --> 04:20:35,040
Guardian is up in the air to assist us.

6565
04:20:32,479 --> 04:20:37,040
We're going to be able to deploy drones

6566
04:20:35,040 --> 04:20:39,600
from the station or from the performing

6567
04:20:37,040 --> 04:20:41,279
arts center. It will instantly have air

6568
04:20:39,600 --> 04:20:43,600
support and we'll be able to cover most

6569
04:20:41,279 --> 04:20:45,520
of our city. We'll have designated

6570
04:20:43,600 --> 04:20:47,680
officers who are trained to be drone

6571
04:20:45,520 --> 04:20:50,080
pilots and they'll come to work and

6572
04:20:47,680 --> 04:20:52,080
their job is to be ready to deploy the

6573
04:20:50,080 --> 04:20:54,800
drone on any given moment, any type of

6574
04:20:52,080 --> 04:20:57,600
call that we might have.

6575
04:20:54,800 --> 04:21:00,000
Uh, federal APD does not authorize or

6576
04:20:57,600 --> 04:21:02,479
permit access of flock camera uh, data

6577
04:21:00,000 --> 04:21:04,319
to immigration and custom enforcement.

6578
04:21:02,479 --> 04:21:08,640
Um,

6579
04:21:04,319 --> 04:21:10,159
bottom line is um, we have two

6580
04:21:08,640 --> 04:21:13,199
individuals in the police department,

6581
04:21:10,159 --> 04:21:16,560
Deputy Chief Jones and uh, Record

6582
04:21:13,199 --> 04:21:19,120
Supervisor Am Amanda Huard. They're the

6583
04:21:16,560 --> 04:21:21,840
only two people that can authorize an

6584
04:21:19,120 --> 04:21:24,880
outside entity from coming into

6585
04:21:21,840 --> 04:21:26,720
accessing our uh data. So anytime

6586
04:21:24,880 --> 04:21:28,159
somebody wants to access our data, they

6587
04:21:26,720 --> 04:21:31,760
have to ask for permission whether it's

6588
04:21:28,159 --> 04:21:33,920
Seattle PD, whether it's Tacoma PD. So

6589
04:21:31,760 --> 04:21:37,920
bottom line is we have to authorize them

6590
04:21:33,920 --> 04:21:40,640
to into our flock camera system. So we

6591
04:21:37,920 --> 04:21:43,120
also turned off our out ofstate national

6592
04:21:40,640 --> 04:21:45,439
lookout feature. So nobody from outside

6593
04:21:43,120 --> 04:21:47,439
the state can even come into our system

6594
04:21:45,439 --> 04:21:49,840
or even request. We turn that feature

6595
04:21:47,439 --> 04:21:51,760
off. We're going to share with instate

6596
04:21:49,840 --> 04:21:54,159
with police agencies only that we

6597
04:21:51,760 --> 04:21:56,159
authorize. So it's not any officer who

6598
04:21:54,159 --> 04:21:58,800
can access the system and authorize some

6599
04:21:56,159 --> 04:22:01,520
jurisdiction to come in and then we

6600
04:21:58,800 --> 04:22:03,760
perform uh monthly audits. Um I get a

6601
04:22:01,520 --> 04:22:05,760
report just to show uh which agencies

6602
04:22:03,760 --> 04:22:08,880
are on our flock system and the fact

6603
04:22:05,760 --> 04:22:10,880
that no unauthorized entry inadvertently

6604
04:22:08,880 --> 04:22:12,479
might have been made. There's talk about

6605
04:22:10,880 --> 04:22:14,640
backdoor entry and I've been told

6606
04:22:12,479 --> 04:22:16,640
technology-wise that cannot happen. It's

6607
04:22:14,640 --> 04:22:18,800
only when we authorize can another

6608
04:22:16,640 --> 04:22:21,439
agency come in. And I'll just give you

6609
04:22:18,800 --> 04:22:24,159
some success stories. Uh the other day

6610
04:22:21,439 --> 04:22:28,880
we had a double homicide

6611
04:22:24,159 --> 04:22:30,720
and the suspect fled the house. And how

6612
04:22:28,880 --> 04:22:33,279
we were able to really zero down on

6613
04:22:30,720 --> 04:22:36,080
where he was is our safe city camera. We

6614
04:22:33,279 --> 04:22:39,840
saw him with our safe city camera get

6615
04:22:36,080 --> 04:22:42,479
getting onto a metro transit bus. So all

6616
04:22:39,840 --> 04:22:44,159
of a sudden our focus now was, you know,

6617
04:22:42,479 --> 04:22:46,080
getting the communication out to the bus

6618
04:22:44,159 --> 04:22:47,840
drivers, Metrotransit police. We were

6619
04:22:46,080 --> 04:22:50,560
looking for him that way. That was like

6620
04:22:47,840 --> 04:22:52,800
our lead. Without that, we have no idea

6621
04:22:50,560 --> 04:22:54,720
which way he went, where to look for

6622
04:22:52,800 --> 04:22:56,080
him. Ultimately, we were able to, you

6623
04:22:54,720 --> 04:22:58,640
know, capture him within, you know,

6624
04:22:56,080 --> 04:23:00,640
several hours. But it gave us focus and

6625
04:22:58,640 --> 04:23:03,520
direction. So any one of these

6626
04:23:00,640 --> 04:23:05,359
technologies um in itself is not going

6627
04:23:03,520 --> 04:23:08,000
to itself, you know, make our community

6628
04:23:05,359 --> 04:23:09,840
safer, but it's a totality of it. and

6629
04:23:08,000 --> 04:23:12,239
the technology becomes available. So,

6630
04:23:09,840 --> 04:23:14,560
Safe City camera has been a tremendous

6631
04:23:12,239 --> 04:23:17,520
help over the years. And I'll tell you,

6632
04:23:14,560 --> 04:23:21,760
we had a infant abduction

6633
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:24,720
uh in 2024 where two suspects posing as

6634
04:23:21,760 --> 04:23:28,000
delivery people, physically went into a

6635
04:23:24,720 --> 04:23:31,120
resident, took the baby from her arms,

6636
04:23:28,000 --> 04:23:34,080
assaulted her, took the baby, and fled

6637
04:23:31,120 --> 04:23:37,279
in a vehicle. And in our investigation,

6638
04:23:34,080 --> 04:23:39,760
we had a description of a van. So once

6639
04:23:37,279 --> 04:23:43,120
we entered that vehicle information into

6640
04:23:39,760 --> 04:23:46,399
the flock system, we got a hit uh out of

6641
04:23:43,120 --> 04:23:48,319
Tquala. With that hit, we were able to

6642
04:23:46,399 --> 04:23:50,800
get the license plate. Once we had that

6643
04:23:48,319 --> 04:23:54,880
license plate, we put it out far and

6644
04:23:50,800 --> 04:23:57,359
wide. And by chance, a very proactive

6645
04:23:54,880 --> 04:24:00,239
state trooper at Moses Lake, Eastern

6646
04:23:57,359 --> 04:24:03,120
Washington, spotted the van, stopped the

6647
04:24:00,239 --> 04:24:05,600
van, and arrested the subjects. We were

6648
04:24:03,120 --> 04:24:08,000
able to get the baby back. So this is

6649
04:24:05,600 --> 04:24:10,640
just one example of how this flock

6650
04:24:08,000 --> 04:24:12,960
technology helped us get this baby back

6651
04:24:10,640 --> 04:24:15,120
because without flock technology at that

6652
04:24:12,960 --> 04:24:16,399
given moment they would have probably

6653
04:24:15,120 --> 04:24:18,640
gotten away and they were heading to

6654
04:24:16,399 --> 04:24:21,359
Florida to raise the baby as their own.

6655
04:24:18,640 --> 04:24:24,159
So bottom line is that's one success

6656
04:24:21,359 --> 04:24:26,319
story in 2024

6657
04:24:24,159 --> 04:24:29,199
um infant kidnapping case. We've solved

6658
04:24:26,319 --> 04:24:31,199
the homicide case in 2024. Same thing

6659
04:24:29,199 --> 04:24:34,560
having vehicle information data. We were

6660
04:24:31,199 --> 04:24:36,800
able to get a license plate um from

6661
04:24:34,560 --> 04:24:38,960
Flock and the great thing about Flock is

6662
04:24:36,800 --> 04:24:41,359
it is we only have one location where we

6663
04:24:38,960 --> 04:24:45,359
have Flock right now but we could tap

6664
04:24:41,359 --> 04:24:47,680
into the other jurisdictions regionally.

6665
04:24:45,359 --> 04:24:49,680
So again, we got a hit from another

6666
04:24:47,680 --> 04:24:52,800
flock from another city and that helped

6667
04:24:49,680 --> 04:24:54,640
us solve. Uh in 25 we had a robbery case

6668
04:24:52,800 --> 04:24:58,239
series of robbery case flock to help us

6669
04:24:54,640 --> 04:25:00,720
solve that numerous cases of uh finding

6670
04:24:58,239 --> 04:25:02,880
loved ones who are missing. They'll get

6671
04:25:00,720 --> 04:25:06,159
in a vehicle and they leave the

6672
04:25:02,880 --> 04:25:09,359
residents suffering from dementia. Flock

6673
04:25:06,159 --> 04:25:11,520
is a great tool to find people otherwise

6674
04:25:09,359 --> 04:25:14,080
we don't know which way they went. So

6675
04:25:11,520 --> 04:25:16,319
hit and run cases and uh stolen

6676
04:25:14,080 --> 04:25:18,239
vehicles. We've had tremendous success

6677
04:25:16,319 --> 04:25:20,239
and how it really works in the field is

6678
04:25:18,239 --> 04:25:22,399
with flock

6679
04:25:20,239 --> 04:25:24,159
um there's nobody monitoring it. It's

6680
04:25:22,399 --> 04:25:25,680
really transitory information. It just

6681
04:25:24,159 --> 04:25:27,279
gets recorded. It's no different than

6682
04:25:25,680 --> 04:25:28,800
somebody standing on the side of the

6683
04:25:27,279 --> 04:25:31,120
side of the road with a cell phone

6684
04:25:28,800 --> 04:25:33,520
recording vehicles going by. It's really

6685
04:25:31,120 --> 04:25:36,640
there's nobody monitoring it. We really

6686
04:25:33,520 --> 04:25:38,319
go back when some a crime occurs is when

6687
04:25:36,640 --> 04:25:40,880
we go back into the system whether it's

6688
04:25:38,319 --> 04:25:43,840
safe city LPR technology or flock

6689
04:25:40,880 --> 04:25:46,080
technology. we go back and try to uh get

6690
04:25:43,840 --> 04:25:48,080
some information to give us a lead. But

6691
04:25:46,080 --> 04:25:49,760
in the field, when a flock gets a hit on

6692
04:25:48,080 --> 04:25:52,479
a stolen vehicle, missing person,

6693
04:25:49,760 --> 04:25:55,920
officers in the field immediately get uh

6694
04:25:52,479 --> 04:25:59,040
alerted that we had a hit at our flock

6695
04:25:55,920 --> 04:26:01,600
location. And we have a neighborhood,

6696
04:25:59,040 --> 04:26:03,120
West Ridge neighborhood that has flock

6697
04:26:01,600 --> 04:26:05,600
camera system. We have some businesses

6698
04:26:03,120 --> 04:26:07,600
that have flock camera system. When we

6699
04:26:05,600 --> 04:26:10,159
get a hit, the field officers get

6700
04:26:07,600 --> 04:26:11,920
notification. Sometimes we can work on

6701
04:26:10,159 --> 04:26:14,000
it, sometimes we can't. If the officers

6702
04:26:11,920 --> 04:26:15,439
are busy, they'll get a hit, but we

6703
04:26:14,000 --> 04:26:17,040
don't have time to work on a stolen

6704
04:26:15,439 --> 04:26:19,279
vehicle. But sometimes if they're

6705
04:26:17,040 --> 04:26:20,960
available, they get a hit, we're looking

6706
04:26:19,279 --> 04:26:22,880
for vehicles, and then once we get the

6707
04:26:20,960 --> 04:26:24,960
vehicle, we're setting up spike strips

6708
04:26:22,880 --> 04:26:27,520
and so forth to catch the auto thief.

6709
04:26:24,960 --> 04:26:29,600
So, hope that gives you an overview. I

6710
04:26:27,520 --> 04:26:31,600
can't tell you that we didn't invest

6711
04:26:29,600 --> 04:26:33,920
this into this technology overnight, but

6712
04:26:31,600 --> 04:26:36,960
over time we've been very strategic

6713
04:26:33,920 --> 04:26:39,040
about it and we realize that safe city

6714
04:26:36,960 --> 04:26:40,800
camera has been a great system, but we

6715
04:26:39,040 --> 04:26:43,520
get bigger bang for our money with the

6716
04:26:40,800 --> 04:26:45,520
flock system because we can tie into the

6717
04:26:43,520 --> 04:26:47,840
other cities, the other infrastructure

6718
04:26:45,520 --> 04:26:50,159
that exists. So hopefully that gives you

6719
04:26:47,840 --> 04:26:51,600
a good oversight. Uh far as immigration

6720
04:26:50,159 --> 04:26:53,760
enforcement, we're not doing any of it.

6721
04:26:51,600 --> 04:26:56,239
We didn't do it before the sanctuary law

6722
04:26:53,760 --> 04:26:57,760
went to place. It's really what the

6723
04:26:56,239 --> 04:26:59,279
federal government is asking is when

6724
04:26:57,760 --> 04:27:02,399
somebody's in custody, please let us

6725
04:26:59,279 --> 04:27:04,319
come get them. But the sanctuary law

6726
04:27:02,399 --> 04:27:06,800
prevents that communication from

6727
04:27:04,319 --> 04:27:08,640
occurring at the jails with federal

6728
04:27:06,800 --> 04:27:11,199
government. And we don't have a jail. So

6729
04:27:08,640 --> 04:27:13,040
there's nothing controversial about what

6730
04:27:11,199 --> 04:27:14,560
we do in federal. We did never done

6731
04:27:13,040 --> 04:27:16,560
immigration enforcement. We're not doing

6732
04:27:14,560 --> 04:27:18,399
it now. Just don't have the capacity to

6733
04:27:16,560 --> 04:27:20,800
do that. And that's not our specialty

6734
04:27:18,399 --> 04:27:22,159
and our expertise.

6735
04:27:20,800 --> 04:27:25,439
» All right, Martin.

6736
04:27:22,159 --> 04:27:26,399
» Uh, thank you so much, uh, Mayor. um or

6737
04:27:25,439 --> 04:27:28,560
Jim [clears throat]

6738
04:27:26,399 --> 04:27:30,080
or Heyou, I think is what you wanted to

6739
04:27:28,560 --> 04:27:32,239
be called before if I remember

6740
04:27:30,080 --> 04:27:33,520
correctly. Um Chief, thank you for your

6741
04:27:32,239 --> 04:27:35,760
presentation and

6742
04:27:33,520 --> 04:27:38,640
» And I think um the work that you and

6743
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:40,479
your officers do is impeccable. I mean

6744
04:27:38,640 --> 04:27:44,399
uh that homic double homicide is what we

6745
04:27:40,479 --> 04:27:47,120
call it that happened yesterday. Um uh I

6746
04:27:44,399 --> 04:27:49,600
mean that almost hit home. Uh my cousin

6747
04:27:47,120 --> 04:27:52,560
grew up with with uh the individual um

6748
04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:53,760
and was next door to him. So, uh, it

6749
04:27:52,560 --> 04:27:56,000
definitely puts a different perspective

6750
04:27:53,760 --> 04:27:58,479
on that and to be able to say that you

6751
04:27:56,000 --> 04:28:00,479
were able to utilize technology to, uh,

6752
04:27:58,479 --> 04:28:01,920
get that. I think that's our job is to

6753
04:28:00,479 --> 04:28:04,720
keep our community safe. That's what

6754
04:28:01,920 --> 04:28:06,720
people want. Um, and I think, you know,

6755
04:28:04,720 --> 04:28:10,239
there's a negative perception a federal

6756
04:28:06,720 --> 04:28:11,920
way. um you know um that we've got to

6757
04:28:10,239 --> 04:28:14,560
continuously work on changing and we've

6758
04:28:11,920 --> 04:28:16,720
got to continue to invest in our

6759
04:28:14,560 --> 04:28:20,319
officers, continue to invest on our

6760
04:28:16,720 --> 04:28:23,840
tools uh to asssure that you guys are

6761
04:28:20,319 --> 04:28:26,239
able to do your job uh safely and

6762
04:28:23,840 --> 04:28:29,279
successfully. Um there are a couple

6763
04:28:26,239 --> 04:28:34,399
questions and I I do have a statement um

6764
04:28:29,279 --> 04:28:38,479
uh to make. Um, one, um, um, there is a

6765
04:28:34,399 --> 04:28:40,319
few items, um, um, a few bills. I was

6766
04:28:38,479 --> 04:28:43,520
hoping you would kind of cover them. Um,

6767
04:28:40,319 --> 04:28:46,399
but there's Senate Bill 6002.

6768
04:28:43,520 --> 04:28:48,560
Um, and it it's regulating license plate

6769
04:28:46,399 --> 04:28:50,800
cameras. Um, don't want to put you on

6770
04:28:48,560 --> 04:28:54,399
the spot, Chief, but, um, I wasn't sure

6771
04:28:50,800 --> 04:28:56,080
if you're aware of that. Uh but um it is

6772
04:28:54,399 --> 04:28:58,159
you know what it says here if I can read

6773
04:28:56,080 --> 04:29:00,479
it is it establishes reasonable

6774
04:28:58,159 --> 04:29:02,479
regulations on automatic license plates

6775
04:29:00,479 --> 04:29:04,479
reader cameras such as flock safety

6776
04:29:02,479 --> 04:29:06,800
systems to prevent their use by

6777
04:29:04,479 --> 04:29:09,120
immigration enforcements and provide

6778
04:29:06,800 --> 04:29:12,960
true community safety for all

6779
04:29:09,120 --> 04:29:15,840
Washingtonians. So um maybe if you can

6780
04:29:12,960 --> 04:29:16,720
just look into that um and and get back

6781
04:29:15,840 --> 04:29:18,000
to us. I mean

6782
04:29:16,720 --> 04:29:19,199
» No I can or unless

6783
04:29:18,000 --> 04:29:20,479
» You're aware of it. Yeah. What I can

6784
04:29:19,199 --> 04:29:22,159
tell you now is there's not going to be

6785
04:29:20,479 --> 04:29:23,920
a single law enforcement agency in the

6786
04:29:22,159 --> 04:29:26,080
state of Washington that's sharing flop

6787
04:29:23,920 --> 04:29:28,319
camera data with immigration

6788
04:29:26,080 --> 04:29:30,479
enforcement. I think what happened with

6789
04:29:28,319 --> 04:29:32,319
an agency or two is that

6790
04:29:30,479 --> 04:29:32,720
» Um somebody invited them in.

6791
04:29:32,319 --> 04:29:36,720
» Yeah.

6792
04:29:32,720 --> 04:29:38,159
» Um so when that issue came up clearly I

6793
04:29:36,720 --> 04:29:40,640
mean we wanted to make sure that didn't

6794
04:29:38,159 --> 04:29:42,640
happen in federal way. We did an audit.

6795
04:29:40,640 --> 04:29:44,581
» We looked at it and then safeguards were

6796
04:29:42,640 --> 04:29:46,399
put in place. So something

6797
04:29:44,581 --> 04:29:48,800
[clears throat] unexpectedly occurred

6798
04:29:46,399 --> 04:29:50,640
with a couple other agencies since then.

6799
04:29:48,800 --> 04:29:53,120
I have no doubt every police chief

6800
04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:55,600
sheriff is ensuring that we don't share

6801
04:29:53,120 --> 04:29:57,120
data that data with immigration custom

6802
04:29:55,600 --> 04:29:59,359
enforcement. Otherwise we would be

6803
04:29:57,120 --> 04:30:01,920
violating keep Washington working act.

6804
04:29:59,359 --> 04:30:05,199
So the new law it doesn't eliminate

6805
04:30:01,920 --> 04:30:08,399
flock. Uh the new law is currently as

6806
04:30:05,199 --> 04:30:11,600
written they want to restrict the data

6807
04:30:08,399 --> 04:30:15,439
being uh kept for 72 hours versus

6808
04:30:11,600 --> 04:30:18,479
currently it's 30 days. 72 hours uh on

6809
04:30:15,439 --> 04:30:20,720
that issue alone 72 hours uh may not

6810
04:30:18,479 --> 04:30:23,040
serve us best

6811
04:30:20,720 --> 04:30:25,040
uh because sometimes it takes days or

6812
04:30:23,040 --> 04:30:28,239
maybe even a week to identify vehicle

6813
04:30:25,040 --> 04:30:30,800
description in a case. So once the data

6814
04:30:28,239 --> 04:30:32,800
is gone it's gone. So how flock works is

6815
04:30:30,800 --> 04:30:34,800
after 30 days that data is not kept.

6816
04:30:32,800 --> 04:30:37,040
It's gone. It's gone forever.

6817
04:30:34,800 --> 04:30:39,359
» So maybe there's a sweet spot that

6818
04:30:37,040 --> 04:30:41,920
lawmakers will come up with. 72 hours

6819
04:30:39,359 --> 04:30:43,920
seems a little short, but they want to

6820
04:30:41,920 --> 04:30:46,159
make sure that data is not kept for a

6821
04:30:43,920 --> 04:30:50,080
really long time. So that's one issue.

6822
04:30:46,159 --> 04:30:52,399
Two is um the type of crimes. U the

6823
04:30:50,080 --> 04:30:55,439
current bill is felony only. So if we

6824
04:30:52,399 --> 04:30:57,279
have flop camera system and we have a

6825
04:30:55,439 --> 04:30:59,439
hit and run that's a mis typically

6826
04:30:57,279 --> 04:31:00,560
they're misdemeanors somebody hit a car

6827
04:30:59,439 --> 04:31:03,120
and they don't want to be responsible

6828
04:31:00,560 --> 04:31:04,960
for that and they just flee. Um what's

6829
04:31:03,120 --> 04:31:06,640
great about flock is once we get that

6830
04:31:04,960 --> 04:31:08,960
license plate I mean you know we're at

6831
04:31:06,640 --> 04:31:10,560
their house and then quite often what

6832
04:31:08,960 --> 04:31:12,239
happens is we know the vehicles involved

6833
04:31:10,560 --> 04:31:13,840
because there's a damage but then we

6834
04:31:12,239 --> 04:31:15,760
don't know who was driving it typically

6835
04:31:13,840 --> 04:31:17,760
but we have witnesses that can say it

6836
04:31:15,760 --> 04:31:20,399
was a male female. It helps us solve

6837
04:31:17,760 --> 04:31:22,960
misdemeanor crimes but this new ball new

6838
04:31:20,399 --> 04:31:25,359
law with eliminate our ability to

6839
04:31:22,960 --> 04:31:26,960
investigate misdemeanor crimes only

6840
04:31:25,359 --> 04:31:28,720
felony crimes.

6841
04:31:26,960 --> 04:31:31,279
» Uh what's the other there's one other

6842
04:31:28,720 --> 04:31:32,880
provision. So even the stall state

6843
04:31:31,279 --> 04:31:34,720
lawmakers they're not saying we're going

6844
04:31:32,880 --> 04:31:36,159
to eliminate flock. They want to put a

6845
04:31:34,720 --> 04:31:38,080
little more restriction.

6846
04:31:36,159 --> 04:31:40,399
» And one of the reasons why flock got

6847
04:31:38,080 --> 04:31:42,560
really popular was when the state

6848
04:31:40,399 --> 04:31:44,239
lawmakers made

6849
04:31:42,560 --> 04:31:46,239
» Um

6850
04:31:44,239 --> 04:31:48,080
no pursuit law. when they enacted the

6851
04:31:46,239 --> 04:31:49,760
new pursuit law, they asked police to

6852
04:31:48,080 --> 04:31:53,199
say, "Hey, why don't you use technology

6853
04:31:49,760 --> 04:31:55,520
and other methods to um catch auto

6854
04:31:53,199 --> 04:31:58,000
thieves?" So, there was a big shift in

6855
04:31:55,520 --> 04:31:59,760
law enforcement say, "Okay, and um

6856
04:31:58,000 --> 04:32:02,080
clearly we apply for grant funding,

6857
04:31:59,760 --> 04:32:04,640
state funding for flock and other

6858
04:32:02,080 --> 04:32:07,120
technologies because that was the push."

6859
04:32:04,640 --> 04:32:08,800
So, this new issue has come up with

6860
04:32:07,120 --> 04:32:11,040
immigration. So, that then it comes to

6861
04:32:08,800 --> 04:32:12,960
question, do we want to eliminate flock?

6862
04:32:11,040 --> 04:32:15,279
But ultimately, it was kind of the push

6863
04:32:12,960 --> 04:32:18,560
from the state street law, why don't you

6864
04:32:15,279 --> 04:32:19,920
use technology? So, um, I hope that

6865
04:32:18,560 --> 04:32:21,439
answers your question. So, they're not

6866
04:32:19,920 --> 04:32:23,199
looking to eliminate flock at this

6867
04:32:21,439 --> 04:32:24,479
point. There's no bill to eliminate it.

6868
04:32:23,199 --> 04:32:25,760
Restrict the data.

6869
04:32:24,479 --> 04:32:28,560
» And when I asked that question, it

6870
04:32:25,760 --> 04:32:30,720
wasn't with the intent or lens of, uh,

6871
04:32:28,560 --> 04:32:32,640
eliminating flock cameras. No, I was

6872
04:32:30,720 --> 04:32:34,560
more like looking at the data, how long

6873
04:32:32,640 --> 04:32:35,600
they would keep it. Uh, and you've

6874
04:32:34,560 --> 04:32:37,680
actually answered that question because

6875
04:32:35,600 --> 04:32:40,080
it seems like we keep it for 30 days.

6876
04:32:37,680 --> 04:32:41,279
Uh, and then it's deleted

6877
04:32:40,080 --> 04:32:43,199
» Automatically gets.

6878
04:32:41,279 --> 04:32:45,439
» Okay. Now, here's another question I've

6879
04:32:43,199 --> 04:32:46,640
been getting. um that I wanted to form

6880
04:32:45,439 --> 04:32:47,840
give to you and then I have a statement

6881
04:32:46,640 --> 04:32:51,920
and I know my colleagues want to speak

6882
04:32:47,840 --> 04:32:53,760
to this. Uh um but um can can third

6883
04:32:51,920 --> 04:32:56,720
parties that have the that are

6884
04:32:53,760 --> 04:32:59,520
partnering up with the flock cameras uh

6885
04:32:56,720 --> 04:33:03,120
can they access the information?

6886
04:32:59,520 --> 04:33:05,680
» No. Only the data uh the way the flock

6887
04:33:03,120 --> 04:33:07,760
sets up is we have federal a data that's

6888
04:33:05,680 --> 04:33:09,680
collected from our cameras kept with us.

6889
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:12,320
We're the only ones that can authorize

6890
04:33:09,680 --> 04:33:14,400
release of that data. So third party

6891
04:33:12,320 --> 04:33:16,160
wanting access to federal aid data, they

6892
04:33:14,400 --> 04:33:18,000
won't get that. I also want to tell you

6893
04:33:16,160 --> 04:33:20,160
that even if they got the data, there's

6894
04:33:18,000 --> 04:33:22,160
a lot of some misinformation. You're not

6895
04:33:20,160 --> 04:33:24,480
going to get anything about who owns the

6896
04:33:22,160 --> 04:33:25,760
car or any any any information. You're

6897
04:33:24,480 --> 04:33:26,480
only really going to get the license

6898
04:33:25,760 --> 04:33:28,160
plate.

6899
04:33:26,480 --> 04:33:29,760
» So I was remember I was mentioning you

6900
04:33:28,160 --> 04:33:31,439
can stand on your side. You're you're

6901
04:33:29,760 --> 04:33:34,000
going to capture the same data the flock

6902
04:33:31,439 --> 04:33:36,000
does. Only law enforcement can access

6903
04:33:34,000 --> 04:33:37,840
criminal justice information. So once we

6904
04:33:36,000 --> 04:33:41,920
get a plate, we run the plate. But but

6905
04:33:37,840 --> 04:33:43,199
but but if if enforcement immigration,

6906
04:33:41,920 --> 04:33:44,400
you know, I'm not I'm not saying they're

6907
04:33:43,199 --> 04:33:46,561
going to do this because we don't allow

6908
04:33:44,400 --> 04:33:48,160
them to do this, it sounds like, but if

6909
04:33:46,561 --> 04:33:49,439
they were going to come in and try to

6910
04:33:48,160 --> 04:33:51,119
get the information and you only give

6911
04:33:49,439 --> 04:33:52,240
them the license plate, they can get a

6912
04:33:51,119 --> 04:33:53,359
lot of information out of that license

6913
04:33:52,240 --> 04:33:54,959
plate number.

6914
04:33:53,359 --> 04:33:55,359
» Well, they can do a warrant.

6915
04:33:54,959 --> 04:33:56,959
» Yeah,

6916
04:33:55,359 --> 04:33:58,639
» It would be it would be through public

6917
04:33:56,959 --> 04:34:00,400
if it's public, it's going to be public

6918
04:33:58,639 --> 04:34:02,561
disclosure request. That's one of the

6919
04:34:00,400 --> 04:34:04,719
new things in this new bill in state law

6920
04:34:02,561 --> 04:34:06,400
is they're talking about eliminating the

6921
04:34:04,719 --> 04:34:08,799
ability for people to do a public

6922
04:34:06,400 --> 04:34:09,279
disclosure request on flock data.

6923
04:34:08,799 --> 04:34:11,840
» Yeah.

6924
04:34:09,279 --> 04:34:13,279
» So, so yeah, people can do a PDR and get

6925
04:34:11,840 --> 04:34:16,320
the data. But what I'm telling you is

6926
04:34:13,279 --> 04:34:18,879
that you really can't there's nothing in

6927
04:34:16,320 --> 04:34:21,840
flock that says this person is an

6928
04:34:18,879 --> 04:34:24,240
unauthorized, you know, resident or is

6929
04:34:21,840 --> 04:34:26,639
there's nothing about that. Even police,

6930
04:34:24,240 --> 04:34:28,000
we won't know in terms of immigration.

6931
04:34:26,639 --> 04:34:29,600
There's no information about that. Even

6932
04:34:28,000 --> 04:34:31,039
if you run the plate and you get

6933
04:34:29,600 --> 04:34:32,639
departmental licensing, vehicle

6934
04:34:31,039 --> 04:34:36,561
information has nothing about

6935
04:34:32,639 --> 04:34:38,480
immigration status of anyone. So we but

6936
04:34:36,561 --> 04:34:40,080
residents who ask for that info third

6937
04:34:38,480 --> 04:34:42,719
party, they can't get it. We've been

6938
04:34:40,080 --> 04:34:44,879
assured by flock, they don't sell their

6939
04:34:42,719 --> 04:34:47,359
data, they don't release their data.

6940
04:34:44,879 --> 04:34:48,639
It's up to each agency how they want to

6941
04:34:47,359 --> 04:34:50,959
do that data.

6942
04:34:48,639 --> 04:34:52,240
» Yeah. Um gosh, I have more questions,

6943
04:34:50,959 --> 04:34:54,240
but I'm gonna hold off. I'm gonna go

6944
04:34:52,240 --> 04:34:56,160
into my statement if that's okay. Um,

6945
04:34:54,240 --> 04:34:58,719
and then I'm going to hand hand it off

6946
04:34:56,160 --> 04:35:00,080
back to you if that's okay, mayor. Um, I

6947
04:34:58,719 --> 04:35:02,480
mean, Chief, obviously, thank you for

6948
04:35:00,080 --> 04:35:03,600
your presentation. Um, uh, I know that

6949
04:35:02,480 --> 04:35:05,279
you've been responding to a lot of

6950
04:35:03,600 --> 04:35:06,639
emails. Uh, I know that we've all been

6951
04:35:05,279 --> 04:35:09,920
responding to a lot of emails. We've

6952
04:35:06,639 --> 04:35:14,400
been getting, uh, concerns on both ends.

6953
04:35:09,920 --> 04:35:15,680
Um um but uh I I do uh I obviously

6954
04:35:14,400 --> 04:35:18,000
wanted to have this conversation at the

6955
04:35:15,680 --> 04:35:21,119
city council uh retreat here uh

6956
04:35:18,000 --> 04:35:23,439
regarding uh this topic uh because uh

6957
04:35:21,119 --> 04:35:26,879
quite frankly what's happening across um

6958
04:35:23,439 --> 04:35:28,959
this country is creating real fear um uh

6959
04:35:26,879 --> 04:35:31,439
here at home and our community deserves

6960
04:35:28,959 --> 04:35:35,439
to know that their local government is

6961
04:35:31,439 --> 04:35:37,600
not ignoring it. Uh now obviously um we

6962
04:35:35,439 --> 04:35:40,240
do not control uh federal immigration

6963
04:35:37,600 --> 04:35:43,119
enforcement and in many ways we're not

6964
04:35:40,240 --> 04:35:45,920
really able to do anything directly um

6965
04:35:43,119 --> 04:35:48,160
at all. Uh and yes, of course it's it's

6966
04:35:45,920 --> 04:35:50,400
easy to to say that we can't do

6967
04:35:48,160 --> 04:35:54,719
anything. Um I mean obviously legally we

6968
04:35:50,400 --> 04:35:56,320
can't do anything. Um um but uh keeping

6969
04:35:54,719 --> 04:35:58,719
uh moving forward with as if

6970
04:35:56,320 --> 04:36:01,520
everything's okay is just uh it's

6971
04:35:58,719 --> 04:36:03,439
concerning to me that that's um and

6972
04:36:01,520 --> 04:36:06,561
that's in my per personal opinion it's

6973
04:36:03,439 --> 04:36:08,719
it's just not leadership. Uh and I for

6974
04:36:06,561 --> 04:36:11,119
me leadership means focusing on what we

6975
04:36:08,719 --> 04:36:13,680
can do, how we show up, how we

6976
04:36:11,119 --> 04:36:16,320
communicate, how we protect trust, and

6977
04:36:13,680 --> 04:36:18,561
how we support the people uh who are

6978
04:36:16,320 --> 04:36:20,080
being impacted. Because when families in

6979
04:36:18,561 --> 04:36:23,199
our communities are afraid to go to

6980
04:36:20,080 --> 04:36:25,520
work, take their kids to school, or seek

6981
04:36:23,199 --> 04:36:27,840
help when they need it, it this becomes

6982
04:36:25,520 --> 04:36:30,000
a community safety issue. It becomes a

6983
04:36:27,840 --> 04:36:33,039
question of whether people feel like

6984
04:36:30,000 --> 04:36:35,680
they belong in uh the city they call

6985
04:36:33,039 --> 04:36:38,000
home. And in Fedway, that matters deeply

6986
04:36:35,680 --> 04:36:40,080
because we are one of the most diverse

6987
04:36:38,000 --> 04:36:42,400
cities in our state. Our community is

6988
04:36:40,080 --> 04:36:44,240
made up of people from all walks of

6989
04:36:42,400 --> 04:36:46,160
life, culture, faith, traditions,

6990
04:36:44,240 --> 04:36:49,119
languages, and backgrounds. that

6991
04:36:46,160 --> 04:36:52,959
diversity is not something we uh

6992
04:36:49,119 --> 04:36:55,439
tolerate. It's it's one of our greatest

6993
04:36:52,959 --> 04:36:58,400
greatest strengths and it's part of what

6994
04:36:55,439 --> 04:37:00,561
makes Fedaway home. And I want to share

6995
04:36:58,400 --> 04:37:02,639
why this is so personal to me. As some

6996
04:37:00,561 --> 04:37:04,561
of you guys already know, uh I am a

6997
04:37:02,639 --> 04:37:07,520
naturalized citizen and I was adopted

6998
04:37:04,561 --> 04:37:10,000
from Bulgaria. Uh I came to this country

6999
04:37:07,520 --> 04:37:12,000
from another place and I know what it

7000
04:37:10,000 --> 04:37:14,160
means to build a life in a home while

7001
04:37:12,000 --> 04:37:15,920
navigating uncertainty. uh that

7002
04:37:14,160 --> 04:37:18,000
experience just honestly doesn't leave

7003
04:37:15,920 --> 04:37:20,480
you. So when our neighbors and

7004
04:37:18,000 --> 04:37:22,719
immigrants, refugees, mixed status

7005
04:37:20,480 --> 04:37:25,680
families, longtime residents are feeling

7006
04:37:22,719 --> 04:37:28,320
fear and uncertainty, I don't view that

7007
04:37:25,680 --> 04:37:30,400
as politics. I view it as people. I view

7008
04:37:28,320 --> 04:37:32,719
it as our community. And I believe it

7009
04:37:30,400 --> 04:37:35,199
demands a response. And I want to be

7010
04:37:32,719 --> 04:37:37,840
honest, when the people we serve are

7011
04:37:35,199 --> 04:37:40,480
living with fear, silence from

7012
04:37:37,840 --> 04:37:43,359
leadership is not neutral. Silence

7013
04:37:40,480 --> 04:37:45,600
communicates something. it it can

7014
04:37:43,359 --> 04:37:48,080
communicate that their concerns don't

7015
04:37:45,600 --> 04:37:50,561
matter, that we're willing to look away

7016
04:37:48,080 --> 04:37:52,879
when things get uncomfortable. It's just

7017
04:37:50,561 --> 04:37:55,439
not okay because even if we cannot

7018
04:37:52,879 --> 04:37:57,199
dictate federal enforcement actions, we

7019
04:37:55,439 --> 04:37:59,840
still have a responsibility to lead

7020
04:37:57,199 --> 04:38:02,561
locally and respond uh to the impact

7021
04:37:59,840 --> 04:38:04,959
here at home. And I also want to say

7022
04:38:02,561 --> 04:38:07,039
this plainly. How does one claim to be a

7023
04:38:04,959 --> 04:38:09,199
person of faith and be okay with all

7024
04:38:07,039 --> 04:38:11,600
with uh what we've all been seeing in

7025
04:38:09,199 --> 04:38:14,160
the news? How ICE has been operating and

7026
04:38:11,600 --> 04:38:16,561
the fear uh it is uh creating in

7027
04:38:14,160 --> 04:38:18,799
communities across the country. Many of

7028
04:38:16,561 --> 04:38:20,240
us were taught that our values are

7029
04:38:18,799 --> 04:38:22,879
measured by how we treat the most

7030
04:38:20,240 --> 04:38:25,199
vulnerable among us. To love our

7031
04:38:22,879 --> 04:38:28,480
neighbors, welcome the stranger and

7032
04:38:25,199 --> 04:38:30,959
stand by the by for human dignity. Those

7033
04:38:28,480 --> 04:38:33,680
values matter right now. So, what does

7034
04:38:30,959 --> 04:38:36,080
this come down to? Uh, excuse me. So,

7035
04:38:33,680 --> 04:38:38,400
what uh this comes down to is simple.

7036
04:38:36,080 --> 04:38:40,480
What kind of community do we want to be?

7037
04:38:38,400 --> 04:38:42,480
That's why I want this section of our of

7038
04:38:40,480 --> 04:38:45,119
our council retreat to be grounded in

7039
04:38:42,480 --> 04:38:46,959
action and real steps. Let's look at

7040
04:38:45,119 --> 04:38:49,279
let's look at passing a resolution that

7041
04:38:46,959 --> 04:38:51,840
affirms Federal Way's values and our

7042
04:38:49,279 --> 04:38:54,240
commitment to dignity and safety. Let's

7043
04:38:51,840 --> 04:38:56,480
look at becoming a welcoming city

7044
04:38:54,240 --> 04:38:57,920
certified community. Let's educate

7045
04:38:56,480 --> 04:39:00,879
residents on their rights and connect

7046
04:38:57,920 --> 04:39:02,639
them to resources. And let's send a

7047
04:39:00,879 --> 04:39:05,199
clear message that transparency in

7048
04:39:02,639 --> 04:39:07,279
federal a uh people have a right to know

7049
04:39:05,199 --> 04:39:09,439
who is acting in our city and we should

7050
04:39:07,279 --> 04:39:11,279
expect visible identification and

7051
04:39:09,439 --> 04:39:14,000
accountability for any public facing

7052
04:39:11,279 --> 04:39:16,480
enforcements actions. At the end of the

7053
04:39:14,000 --> 04:39:18,959
day, our job is not to look away. Our

7054
04:39:16,480 --> 04:39:21,279
job is to lead, to be honest about what

7055
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:23,199
our community is experiencing, to stand

7056
04:39:21,279 --> 04:39:26,160
firm in our values, and to make sure

7057
04:39:23,199 --> 04:39:28,080
every resident knows they belong here

7058
04:39:26,160 --> 04:39:30,160
and they have a city that is willing to

7059
04:39:28,080 --> 04:39:32,480
show up for them. That is why I ask for

7060
04:39:30,160 --> 04:39:34,719
this conversation to take place. Uh, and

7061
04:39:32,480 --> 04:39:36,879
I look forward to the work ahead of us.

7062
04:39:34,719 --> 04:39:38,480
And look, I want to be very clear. Uh,

7063
04:39:36,879 --> 04:39:41,840
supporting our police officers, that is

7064
04:39:38,480 --> 04:39:43,520
my top top priority. Uh, that's why I

7065
04:39:41,840 --> 04:39:46,638
voted for some of these measures that

7066
04:39:43,520 --> 04:39:48,560
you see. um uh because I believe that is

7067
04:39:46,638 --> 04:39:50,798
absolutely important that our officers

7068
04:39:48,560 --> 04:39:52,320
have the tools necessary to do their

7069
04:39:50,798 --> 04:39:53,440
jobs. With that, I'll give it back to

7070
04:39:52,320 --> 04:39:55,200
you, mayor. Thank you.

7071
04:39:53,440 --> 04:39:57,120
» All right. And I want to make clear that

7072
04:39:55,200 --> 04:39:59,200
city government, my my administration

7073
04:39:57,120 --> 04:40:02,908
and our city government is not looking

7074
04:39:59,200 --> 04:40:05,680
away. We have responded to

7075
04:40:02,908 --> 04:40:07,280
[clears throat] every email or contact

7076
04:40:05,680 --> 04:40:09,200
that we've received. We have responded

7077
04:40:07,280 --> 04:40:11,520
to and we've included the council on

7078
04:40:09,200 --> 04:40:13,600
those responses. So, I want to make sure

7079
04:40:11,520 --> 04:40:16,160
that we have explained exactly what the

7080
04:40:13,600 --> 04:40:17,360
chief has explained. And so, no one's

7081
04:40:16,160 --> 04:40:20,798
looking away, but we're not going to

7082
04:40:17,360 --> 04:40:22,798
pretend or uh grandstand or pretend uh

7083
04:40:20,798 --> 04:40:25,120
that we have a say in this. These are

7084
04:40:22,798 --> 04:40:27,520
federal matters. State law dictates this

7085
04:40:25,120 --> 04:40:30,520
and we've we've explained that. Um

7086
04:40:27,520 --> 04:40:30,520
Lydia,

7087
04:40:31,200 --> 04:40:35,920
» Thank you, Chief, for um explaining

7088
04:40:33,120 --> 04:40:37,920
this. And I appreciate the fact that you

7089
04:40:35,920 --> 04:40:40,878
said um there's only two people who have

7090
04:40:37,920 --> 04:40:42,798
access to the to this and that's very

7091
04:40:40,878 --> 04:40:45,440
comforting because that was one of the

7092
04:40:42,798 --> 04:40:49,360
things I was very uncomfortable with um

7093
04:40:45,440 --> 04:40:52,000
and wasn't sure if you you know um could

7094
04:40:49,360 --> 04:40:54,000
stop anyone from accessing. So that's

7095
04:40:52,000 --> 04:40:56,560
very helpful and I appreciate that

7096
04:40:54,000 --> 04:40:58,878
explanation. And so when I asked about

7097
04:40:56,560 --> 04:41:01,680
it last week, that was my premise going,

7098
04:40:58,878 --> 04:41:04,638
not not knowing how that data was going

7099
04:41:01,680 --> 04:41:07,520
to be utilized by who um and who has

7100
04:41:04,638 --> 04:41:10,798
access to it because the fear is real.

7101
04:41:07,520 --> 04:41:13,520
Um again, I I've seen it with people.

7102
04:41:10,798 --> 04:41:17,120
Schools have been locked on lockdown

7103
04:41:13,520 --> 04:41:19,200
um just in the last week. And so um not

7104
04:41:17,120 --> 04:41:21,680
in federal way, but it's here in

7105
04:41:19,200 --> 04:41:27,040
Washington state. So,

7106
04:41:21,680 --> 04:41:30,400
it's unnerving to see that um

7107
04:41:27,040 --> 04:41:33,040
ICE is around and and and

7108
04:41:30,400 --> 04:41:35,120
fear. Yeah, the fear is real. All that.

7109
04:41:33,040 --> 04:41:38,878
So, thank you. Um that's very helpful

7110
04:41:35,120 --> 04:41:41,120
and um um and and I want Federal Way to

7111
04:41:38,878 --> 04:41:43,600
be safe and everything you said makes a

7112
04:41:41,120 --> 04:41:45,680
lot of sense and I appreciate that. One

7113
04:41:43,600 --> 04:41:47,760
question I have for you is it says one

7114
04:41:45,680 --> 04:41:49,680
location with four total approaches and

7115
04:41:47,760 --> 04:41:52,400
then the other one was nine with 26.

7116
04:41:49,680 --> 04:41:55,120
What does that what what's approaches?

7117
04:41:52,400 --> 04:41:56,798
» So one location meaning we have flock

7118
04:41:55,120 --> 04:41:57,360
camera at one intersection.

7119
04:41:56,798 --> 04:41:59,440
» Okay.

7120
04:41:57,360 --> 04:42:01,840
» And then the the intersection we would

7121
04:41:59,440 --> 04:42:04,638
have four cameras all as vehicles are

7122
04:42:01,840 --> 04:42:07,040
going away. So we'd have one pointing

7123
04:42:04,638 --> 04:42:09,360
west, one pointing south, one pointing.

7124
04:42:07,040 --> 04:42:10,878
So we would cover vehicles traveling

7125
04:42:09,360 --> 04:42:13,120
through that intersection whichever

7126
04:42:10,878 --> 04:42:15,840
direction they may go. We have four

7127
04:42:13,120 --> 04:42:18,638
cameras there at one location.

7128
04:42:15,840 --> 04:42:22,718
» So when you have nine and 26

7129
04:42:18,638 --> 04:42:23,040
» Yeah. nine APR safe city locations,

7130
04:42:22,718 --> 04:42:25,200
right?

7131
04:42:23,040 --> 04:42:26,878
» But when some places you might have

7132
04:42:25,200 --> 04:42:29,360
three cameras, some place you might have

7133
04:42:26,878 --> 04:42:32,160
two. When you add all the license plate

7134
04:42:29,360 --> 04:42:35,200
reading uh capability cameras, we have

7135
04:42:32,160 --> 04:42:37,520
total of 26. That's our own city system

7136
04:42:35,200 --> 04:42:41,600
of LPR. And I'll give you one example

7137
04:42:37,520 --> 04:42:43,520
with the L our LPR 26 and 356. There was

7138
04:42:41,600 --> 04:42:46,240
a road rage incident on Marine View

7139
04:42:43,520 --> 04:42:49,280
Drive in Tacoma where somebody was shot,

7140
04:42:46,240 --> 04:42:51,920
the Tacoma jurisdiction, and they fled

7141
04:42:49,280 --> 04:42:53,440
going through our intersection. And when

7142
04:42:51,920 --> 04:42:56,080
that incident occurred, we instantly

7143
04:42:53,440 --> 04:42:58,400
went to our LPR technology and provided

7144
04:42:56,080 --> 04:43:02,638
Tacoma, you know, with a license plate

7145
04:42:58,400 --> 04:43:04,400
and they within, you know, days they

7146
04:43:02,638 --> 04:43:06,400
made an arrest on that road rage

7147
04:43:04,400 --> 04:43:08,400
shooting where somebody was shot. So

7148
04:43:06,400 --> 04:43:10,878
that's like the benefit of going back

7149
04:43:08,400 --> 04:43:14,240
being able to say, "Hey, Tacoma, here's

7150
04:43:10,878 --> 04:43:15,520
the vehicle you're looking for. So, but

7151
04:43:14,240 --> 04:43:17,360
uh bottom line is that's what that

7152
04:43:15,520 --> 04:43:19,360
means. We have nine locations overall

7153
04:43:17,360 --> 04:43:21,840
throughout the city. We have 26 uh

7154
04:43:19,360 --> 04:43:24,958
cameras that can read license plates.

7155
04:43:21,840 --> 04:43:27,280
» Um would those feed into do those feed

7156
04:43:24,958 --> 04:43:28,160
into um

7157
04:43:27,280 --> 04:43:28,638
the um

7158
04:43:28,160 --> 04:43:30,718
» Block?

7159
04:43:28,638 --> 04:43:33,200
» No, the camera um

7160
04:43:30,718 --> 04:43:33,680
» No, the uh traffic

7161
04:43:33,200 --> 04:43:34,638
» City

7162
04:43:33,680 --> 04:43:35,040
» Traffic cameras.

7163
04:43:34,638 --> 04:43:38,560
» Yeah,

7164
04:43:35,040 --> 04:43:39,760
» They're separate. So, we have like 260

7165
04:43:38,560 --> 04:43:43,520
safe city cameras,

7166
04:43:39,760 --> 04:43:45,760
» Right? of those 26 of those cameras are

7167
04:43:43,520 --> 04:43:47,040
license plate reading cameras.

7168
04:43:45,760 --> 04:43:48,638
» But they don't they're not the ones that

7169
04:43:47,040 --> 04:43:49,360
go to municipal court and you get a

7170
04:43:48,638 --> 04:43:52,080
ticket, right?

7171
04:43:49,360 --> 04:43:54,160
» No, those that's that's another

7172
04:43:52,080 --> 04:43:56,240
technology that we use. That's red light

7173
04:43:54,160 --> 04:43:56,878
photo enforcement. So those are a little

7174
04:43:56,240 --> 04:43:59,366
bit different.

7175
04:43:56,878 --> 04:44:01,040
» So they don't talk to each other

7176
04:43:59,366 --> 04:44:03,600
[clears throat] two system. Red light we

7177
04:44:01,040 --> 04:44:04,560
use a vendor for doing that. So it's a

7178
04:44:03,600 --> 04:44:06,560
complete separate system

7179
04:44:04,560 --> 04:44:08,638
» And red light photo system by law cannot

7180
04:44:06,560 --> 04:44:11,040
be used in criminal investigations. So

7181
04:44:08,638 --> 04:44:13,760
that's that's the red light criminal or

7182
04:44:11,040 --> 04:44:15,600
red light enforcement is limited just to

7183
04:44:13,760 --> 04:44:18,600
that purpose.

7184
04:44:15,600 --> 04:44:18,600
So

7185
04:44:18,958 --> 04:44:24,320
» Yeah, exactly. Um all right. Uh oh,

7186
04:44:22,320 --> 04:44:28,080
Susan,

7187
04:44:24,320 --> 04:44:30,320
» Thank you. Um Chief, you said

7188
04:44:28,080 --> 04:44:33,040
that

7189
04:44:30,320 --> 04:44:35,440
uh tap into flock cameras to get info

7190
04:44:33,040 --> 04:44:37,680
and it seemed like you were talking

7191
04:44:35,440 --> 04:44:40,480
about other police departments. Yes, we

7192
04:44:37,680 --> 04:44:43,840
can do a statewide search.

7193
04:44:40,480 --> 04:44:44,638
» Um, what info are they can they get from

7194
04:44:43,840 --> 04:44:45,840
the camera?

7195
04:44:44,638 --> 04:44:46,080
» The license plate.

7196
04:44:45,840 --> 04:44:47,680
» Okay,

7197
04:44:46,080 --> 04:44:50,000
» We'll get we can get a video of the

7198
04:44:47,680 --> 04:44:52,718
vehicle in the license plate. Once we

7199
04:44:50,000 --> 04:44:54,320
have that, well, we might get multiple

7200
04:44:52,718 --> 04:44:56,080
hits on a vehicle. We'll put in a

7201
04:44:54,320 --> 04:44:58,160
descript description on the vehicle.

7202
04:44:56,080 --> 04:45:00,000
Sticker in the back window. It looks

7203
04:44:58,160 --> 04:45:02,902
like a Honda, you know, that type of

7204
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:03,600
thing. Then we might get a we might get

7205
04:45:02,902 --> 04:45:05,680
[laughter]

7206
04:45:03,600 --> 04:45:07,920
» We might get a long list of vehicles and

7207
04:45:05,680 --> 04:45:09,440
then okay you know then okay start

7208
04:45:07,920 --> 04:45:11,840
looking at then we got to run the plates

7209
04:45:09,440 --> 04:45:14,480
or who owns it. So we might get multiple

7210
04:45:11,840 --> 04:45:16,160
vehicles but it gives us a lead and like

7211
04:45:14,480 --> 04:45:18,480
I said quite often they're used for

7212
04:45:16,160 --> 04:45:20,160
misdemeanor like hit and run cases

7213
04:45:18,480 --> 04:45:21,840
» But law enforcement's the only one who

7214
04:45:20,160 --> 04:45:22,480
can tap into that to get that

7215
04:45:21,840 --> 04:45:24,080
information.

7216
04:45:22,480 --> 04:45:26,718
» That's we're the only ones who can run

7217
04:45:24,080 --> 04:45:28,480
plays have access to a lot of info. for

7218
04:45:26,718 --> 04:45:31,120
example, our record management system

7219
04:45:28,480 --> 04:45:34,400
inhouse stay record. I mean, we could

7220
04:45:31,120 --> 04:45:36,240
research a lot on an individual. But if

7221
04:45:34,400 --> 04:45:38,878
we're worried about privacy security, I

7222
04:45:36,240 --> 04:45:40,240
mean, we really rely on it, the firewall

7223
04:45:38,878 --> 04:45:42,638
because if somebody can get into the

7224
04:45:40,240 --> 04:45:44,400
city system, get into the police system,

7225
04:45:42,638 --> 04:45:44,958
I mean, they can know everything about

7226
04:45:44,400 --> 04:45:45,280
you.

7227
04:45:44,958 --> 04:45:47,600
» Yeah.

7228
04:45:45,280 --> 04:45:50,000
» And so that's I I don't know how to do

7229
04:45:47,600 --> 04:45:52,400
it. I trust it and that's what they do.

7230
04:45:50,000 --> 04:45:56,000
» I just I it was I just wanted to ask

7231
04:45:52,400 --> 04:45:58,240
about that statement because um

7232
04:45:56,000 --> 04:46:01,360
That's all. Thank you. And and thank you

7233
04:45:58,240 --> 04:46:03,360
for your your work on uh the very sad

7234
04:46:01,360 --> 04:46:06,798
situation uh the other day with the

7235
04:46:03,360 --> 04:46:08,798
homicides and uh I was in Celebration

7236
04:46:06,798 --> 04:46:11,360
Park when the bus was pulled over.

7237
04:46:08,798 --> 04:46:14,000
» I was like two cars behind it and that

7238
04:46:11,360 --> 04:46:14,878
was a very frightening uh situation for

7239
04:46:14,000 --> 04:46:16,638
everybody. So

7240
04:46:14,878 --> 04:46:18,080
» That was the bus he got onto, but he got

7241
04:46:16,638 --> 04:46:20,080
off before he got to the community

7242
04:46:18,080 --> 04:46:22,080
center. But we were hoping that he would

7243
04:46:20,080 --> 04:46:23,920
he would have been on the bus to get him

7244
04:46:22,080 --> 04:46:26,000
right there, but took us a little bit

7245
04:46:23,920 --> 04:46:27,920
longer, but he got off the bus and so we

7246
04:46:26,000 --> 04:46:30,000
knew he was in town.

7247
04:46:27,920 --> 04:46:33,200
» Oh, thank you.

7248
04:46:30,000 --> 04:46:35,440
» All right, Wes.

7249
04:46:33,200 --> 04:46:37,920
» Chief, I want to take this opportunity

7250
04:46:35,440 --> 04:46:39,840
to thank you for your service. Uh you

7251
04:46:37,920 --> 04:46:41,920
and your officers are doing a

7252
04:46:39,840 --> 04:46:46,160
commendable job out there in the

7253
04:46:41,920 --> 04:46:48,080
community. Um, just to add to a uh

7254
04:46:46,160 --> 04:46:52,400
bullet point you have up there about

7255
04:46:48,080 --> 04:46:55,120
success stories. Um, a personal friend

7256
04:46:52,400 --> 04:46:59,360
of mine uh uncle I may have told you

7257
04:46:55,120 --> 04:47:02,240
this already. Um, his uncle was uh

7258
04:46:59,360 --> 04:47:03,360
assaulted in Town Square Park with a

7259
04:47:02,240 --> 04:47:06,878
hatchet.

7260
04:47:03,360 --> 04:47:10,798
» He subsequently died from his injuries.

7261
04:47:06,878 --> 04:47:11,920
Um, if it weren't for the Safe City

7262
04:47:10,798 --> 04:47:14,320
camera system.

7263
04:47:11,920 --> 04:47:17,200
» Yes. he would not have been or the

7264
04:47:14,320 --> 04:47:21,040
culprit would not have been apprehended.

7265
04:47:17,200 --> 04:47:24,878
Um so I am uh totally in favor of that

7266
04:47:21,040 --> 04:47:28,160
type of surveillance. Uh I have uh deep

7267
04:47:24,878 --> 04:47:33,600
concerns with the flock camera system.

7268
04:47:28,160 --> 04:47:35,760
Uh I I know that AI is integrated uh or

7269
04:47:33,600 --> 04:47:39,200
powering for lack of better words uh

7270
04:47:35,760 --> 04:47:40,718
that system. I know that AI has its uh

7271
04:47:39,200 --> 04:47:43,440
fallacies.

7272
04:47:40,718 --> 04:47:46,320
uh it can be penetrated, it can be

7273
04:47:43,440 --> 04:47:50,160
hacked, it could be manipulated, it can

7274
04:47:46,320 --> 04:47:55,120
be mistaken in terms of identities. So I

7275
04:47:50,160 --> 04:48:00,160
would like if we uh continue to use the

7276
04:47:55,120 --> 04:48:04,480
system assurance that uh the technology

7277
04:48:00,160 --> 04:48:06,718
is intact and and um improved. Um maybe

7278
04:48:04,480 --> 04:48:10,798
you can bake that into the future any

7279
04:48:06,718 --> 04:48:15,040
future contracts. Um uh as far as

7280
04:48:10,798 --> 04:48:18,560
training uh officers uh should uh be

7281
04:48:15,040 --> 04:48:20,080
aware of our constitutional rights. Uh

7282
04:48:18,560 --> 04:48:22,480
recently

7283
04:48:20,080 --> 04:48:27,440
um it was reported by the Washington

7284
04:48:22,480 --> 04:48:31,520
Post that um now it appears that ICE

7285
04:48:27,440 --> 04:48:34,798
agents do not require judicial warrants

7286
04:48:31,520 --> 04:48:37,440
uh to enter uh private homes. And that

7287
04:48:34,798 --> 04:48:40,320
is really concerning uh how that would

7288
04:48:37,440 --> 04:48:43,680
relate to our local police forces. They

7289
04:48:40,320 --> 04:48:47,440
should be aware of our rights uh so that

7290
04:48:43,680 --> 04:48:51,520
they're not assisting ICE agents in in

7291
04:48:47,440 --> 04:48:54,480
violating our rights. So, um whatever

7292
04:48:51,520 --> 04:48:59,840
training is currently in the curriculum

7293
04:48:54,480 --> 04:49:02,400
regarding ICE or assisting ICE or um I I

7294
04:48:59,840 --> 04:49:05,200
would like um for that training to be

7295
04:49:02,400 --> 04:49:08,480
evaluated um periodically to make sure

7296
04:49:05,200 --> 04:49:13,440
that our police officers are fully aware

7297
04:49:08,480 --> 04:49:17,360
of what uh those rights are. Um but

7298
04:49:13,440 --> 04:49:21,440
other than that uh I share um council

7299
04:49:17,360 --> 04:49:24,080
president's uh concerns uh how it is

7300
04:49:21,440 --> 04:49:27,520
scaring their activities are scaring a

7301
04:49:24,080 --> 04:49:31,200
lot of people. It's very unsettling but

7302
04:49:27,520 --> 04:49:34,638
um I applaud again going back to what I

7303
04:49:31,200 --> 04:49:38,480
originally said or have said about um

7304
04:49:34,638 --> 04:49:41,200
our fine officers. Keep us safe. That's

7305
04:49:38,480 --> 04:49:43,760
what our community is uh crying for,

7306
04:49:41,200 --> 04:49:47,280
crying out for essentially.

7307
04:49:43,760 --> 04:49:48,878
» Um I have had supporters

7308
04:49:47,280 --> 04:49:50,798
um

7309
04:49:48,878 --> 04:49:54,480
who

7310
04:49:50,798 --> 04:49:58,160
have had their uh their sons attacked uh

7311
04:49:54,480 --> 04:50:00,160
just random and uh they had no

7312
04:49:58,160 --> 04:50:03,440
surveillance, they had no cameras and

7313
04:50:00,160 --> 04:50:05,040
there was no no one around to save them.

7314
04:50:03,440 --> 04:50:08,000
So,

7315
04:50:05,040 --> 04:50:11,760
but uh other than that um I look forward

7316
04:50:08,000 --> 04:50:14,000
to uh dialoguing with you one-on-one and

7317
04:50:11,760 --> 04:50:18,160
uh continuing

7318
04:50:14,000 --> 04:50:20,240
um I guess the efforts to keep us all

7319
04:50:18,160 --> 04:50:21,440
safe.

7320
04:50:20,240 --> 04:50:23,920
» Thank you.

7321
04:50:21,440 --> 04:50:27,200
» Thank you, Melissa.

7322
04:50:23,920 --> 04:50:29,520
» Uh yeah, thank you. Um so, Martin, you

7323
04:50:27,200 --> 04:50:31,760
mentioned that you wanted to pass a

7324
04:50:29,520 --> 04:50:34,400
resolution. What would the resolution

7325
04:50:31,760 --> 04:50:34,400
be?

7326
04:50:37,200 --> 04:50:41,840
right when I have a chip in my mouth.

7327
04:50:39,680 --> 04:50:43,120
Um, you know, I I know that that's a

7328
04:50:41,840 --> 04:50:45,600
good question because I I've been

7329
04:50:43,120 --> 04:50:48,240
reflecting on this and you know, I think

7330
04:50:45,600 --> 04:50:51,680
the purpose of this is for us to have

7331
04:50:48,240 --> 04:50:53,280
real conversations um at a retreat um

7332
04:50:51,680 --> 04:50:55,840
and I wanted to kind of gauge where the

7333
04:50:53,280 --> 04:50:57,360
council would be um on this. But, you

7334
04:50:55,840 --> 04:50:58,718
know, [snorts] I know that we several

7335
04:50:57,360 --> 04:51:00,160
years ago, if I'm not mistaken, we

7336
04:50:58,718 --> 04:51:03,040
passed a welcoming city.

7337
04:51:00,160 --> 04:51:05,600
» We did. Um, so maybe just, you know,

7338
04:51:03,040 --> 04:51:07,040
reaffirming that and updating that, you

7339
04:51:05,600 --> 04:51:08,560
know, and looking at that and and seeing

7340
04:51:07,040 --> 04:51:13,440
what the council's comfortable with, you

7341
04:51:08,560 --> 04:51:15,760
know. Um, I mean, I I think, you know,

7342
04:51:13,440 --> 04:51:16,958
if I may, Melissa, I mean, the mayor is

7343
04:51:15,760 --> 04:51:18,798
right. The mayor's been really

7344
04:51:16,958 --> 04:51:21,360
responsive. His staff has been really

7345
04:51:18,798 --> 04:51:26,480
responsive to the community. No doubt.

7346
04:51:21,360 --> 04:51:28,798
But I think my personal vision is I want

7347
04:51:26,480 --> 04:51:31,520
city hall to say something because this

7348
04:51:28,798 --> 04:51:33,760
is huge and it's coming to Federal Way.

7349
04:51:31,520 --> 04:51:38,000
It's been around us and it's probably in

7350
04:51:33,760 --> 04:51:39,840
Federal Way. And um and I just want us

7351
04:51:38,000 --> 04:51:42,718
to acknowledge and tell people like we

7352
04:51:39,840 --> 04:51:44,638
see you, we love this community and we

7353
04:51:42,718 --> 04:51:47,520
value this community. And I think I I

7354
04:51:44,638 --> 04:51:50,160
wanted to find a what's the medium uh

7355
04:51:47,520 --> 04:51:52,000
where we can kind of come together and

7356
04:51:50,160 --> 04:51:55,280
as a council on behalf of the people and

7357
04:51:52,000 --> 04:51:59,680
say look let's reaffirm our values as a

7358
04:51:55,280 --> 04:52:01,200
city was really my intent uh with that

7359
04:51:59,680 --> 04:52:04,782
potential

7360
04:52:01,200 --> 04:52:04,782
uh perspective idea. [clears throat]

7361
04:52:05,280 --> 04:52:09,520
» Uh thank you for that. The reason why

7362
04:52:07,120 --> 04:52:11,840
I'm asking is because

7363
04:52:09,520 --> 04:52:13,920
um I think it's good to say that we're a

7364
04:52:11,840 --> 04:52:15,280
welcoming city, but I would have

7365
04:52:13,920 --> 04:52:18,718
concerns about saying that we're a

7366
04:52:15,280 --> 04:52:20,400
sanctuary city uh for a couple reasons.

7367
04:52:18,718 --> 04:52:24,320
For one, we're already a sanctuary

7368
04:52:20,400 --> 04:52:28,638
state. So, um that preempts anything we

7369
04:52:24,320 --> 04:52:31,520
would do on the local level. But two, um

7370
04:52:28,638 --> 04:52:34,240
you know, if we were going to try to

7371
04:52:31,520 --> 04:52:35,760
enact some sort of, you know, ordinance,

7372
04:52:34,240 --> 04:52:38,000
it would require two things. It would

7373
04:52:35,760 --> 04:52:40,240
require jurisdiction and the ability to

7374
04:52:38,000 --> 04:52:44,958
levy consequences, neither of which we

7375
04:52:40,240 --> 04:52:48,480
can do. And so it would just to me be um

7376
04:52:44,958 --> 04:52:50,160
sort of misleading to the public if we

7377
04:52:48,480 --> 04:52:52,000
say that we're doing this, but we have

7378
04:52:50,160 --> 04:52:54,878
no legal authority to do really

7379
04:52:52,000 --> 04:52:57,840
anything. It's more of a a performative

7380
04:52:54,878 --> 04:53:00,240
policy in my mind. And that's where I

7381
04:52:57,840 --> 04:53:02,718
would have concerns only because of how

7382
04:53:00,240 --> 04:53:04,560
it's going to mislead the public. And

7383
04:53:02,718 --> 04:53:07,040
plus, you know, we have to consider the

7384
04:53:04,560 --> 04:53:09,360
supremacy clause, which I think is very

7385
04:53:07,040 --> 04:53:10,560
uh pertinent to this conversation we're

7386
04:53:09,360 --> 04:53:14,080
having.

7387
04:53:10,560 --> 04:53:16,080
» If I may, um I I I mean, I respect what

7388
04:53:14,080 --> 04:53:18,958
you're saying and and um you know, I

7389
04:53:16,080 --> 04:53:21,360
never obviously talked about ordinances

7390
04:53:18,958 --> 04:53:23,840
or legal because I we we don't have

7391
04:53:21,360 --> 04:53:27,600
legal jurisdiction. We can't do anything

7392
04:53:23,840 --> 04:53:30,240
with laws. Um you know, um but sometimes

7393
04:53:27,600 --> 04:53:32,080
leadership is about saying, "I see you.

7394
04:53:30,240 --> 04:53:34,480
I recognize you." there's a lot of hurt

7395
04:53:32,080 --> 04:53:37,120
in our community or there's going to be

7396
04:53:34,480 --> 04:53:38,240
or hey we're seeing this coming and

7397
04:53:37,120 --> 04:53:40,560
we're going to be proactive and

7398
04:53:38,240 --> 04:53:44,160
sometimes leadership is about

7399
04:53:40,560 --> 04:53:46,400
acknowledging and saying it um not just

7400
04:53:44,160 --> 04:53:47,920
saying staying silent and that's just my

7401
04:53:46,400 --> 04:53:49,440
personal perspective you know I know we

7402
04:53:47,920 --> 04:53:52,560
all have different leadership

7403
04:53:49,440 --> 04:53:54,480
perspectives and views but from mine

7404
04:53:52,560 --> 04:53:57,600
sometimes you just need to reach out and

7405
04:53:54,480 --> 04:54:00,080
let people know like yeah I see it and

7406
04:53:57,600 --> 04:54:01,600
you know what here's something we can do

7407
04:54:00,080 --> 04:54:03,200
you know show our hearts to the

7408
04:54:01,600 --> 04:54:05,280
community and that has nothing to do

7409
04:54:03,200 --> 04:54:07,120
with misleading the community. That has

7410
04:54:05,280 --> 04:54:09,040
something to do with the fact that we

7411
04:54:07,120 --> 04:54:11,760
are community that we've all said on

7412
04:54:09,040 --> 04:54:16,000
this the dis at the city hall or here

7413
04:54:11,760 --> 04:54:16,240
that we are a diverse community and I go

7414
04:54:16,000 --> 04:54:20,320
ahead.

7415
04:54:16,240 --> 04:54:23,440
» Oh, sorry. Uh and um when we're silent

7416
04:54:20,320 --> 04:54:26,560
on it then it are we living up to that?

7417
04:54:23,440 --> 04:54:30,160
I don't know. Just a thought.

7418
04:54:26,560 --> 04:54:32,080
» Oh, thank you. Um, so Chief, thank you

7419
04:54:30,160 --> 04:54:34,718
for all of your hard work. Really

7420
04:54:32,080 --> 04:54:36,560
appreciate you and all of the officers

7421
04:54:34,718 --> 04:54:39,440
for what you do to us. I know it's

7422
04:54:36,560 --> 04:54:41,280
difficult for times and back when the

7423
04:54:39,440 --> 04:54:43,680
cars were being stolen on a regular

7424
04:54:41,280 --> 04:54:46,718
basis because of the legislation for

7425
04:54:43,680 --> 04:54:49,680
Olympia. Um, there was a lot of concern

7426
04:54:46,718 --> 04:54:53,200
about, you know, your have one car and

7427
04:54:49,680 --> 04:54:55,600
you walk out and your car is gone and

7428
04:54:53,200 --> 04:54:57,600
Oh, thank you.

7429
04:54:55,600 --> 04:54:59,360
And so if your car is gone and you walk

7430
04:54:57,600 --> 04:55:00,798
out and it's the only way you have to

7431
04:54:59,360 --> 04:55:04,160
get to work and you can't replace the

7432
04:55:00,798 --> 04:55:06,560
car, you're and you're a family um and I

7433
04:55:04,160 --> 04:55:08,878
know many single women who are heads of

7434
04:55:06,560 --> 04:55:10,638
families, it's difficult for them to

7435
04:55:08,878 --> 04:55:15,520
figure out how to get to work and take

7436
04:55:10,638 --> 04:55:17,440
care of the family. So um I was I didn't

7437
04:55:15,520 --> 04:55:18,878
when we asked the legislators

7438
04:55:17,440 --> 04:55:20,798
» Linda people can't hear. Can you pull

7439
04:55:18,878 --> 04:55:22,958
that closer to you? When we asked the

7440
04:55:20,798 --> 04:55:27,360
legislators a year ago, a year and a

7441
04:55:22,958 --> 04:55:29,920
half ago, for 100 250,000 for cameras, I

7442
04:55:27,360 --> 04:55:31,840
I I guess I was shocked when they they

7443
04:55:29,920 --> 04:55:34,638
didn't want to do that. I wish they

7444
04:55:31,840 --> 04:55:36,798
would have come back to talk to us about

7445
04:55:34,638 --> 04:55:38,160
their concerns about the flot cameras

7446
04:55:36,798 --> 04:55:41,680
and the fact that they were worried

7447
04:55:38,160 --> 04:55:45,200
about uh information being passed off to

7448
04:55:41,680 --> 04:55:46,798
other agencies. And so um I I do hope

7449
04:55:45,200 --> 04:55:49,760
that they look into that a little bit

7450
04:55:46,798 --> 04:55:51,200
more for us in the future. Um, but um,

7451
04:55:49,760 --> 04:55:53,360
one other thing I want to say real quick

7452
04:55:51,200 --> 04:55:55,600
is that, you know, Martin, I've noticed

7453
04:55:53,360 --> 04:55:57,360
that you read statements a lot and and

7454
04:55:55,600 --> 04:56:00,000
if you feel the need to do that, I don't

7455
04:55:57,360 --> 04:56:02,160
have a problem with it. It just, um, you

7456
04:56:00,000 --> 04:56:04,480
know, in the legislature, as I said

7457
04:56:02,160 --> 04:56:06,958
previously, we weren't allowed to read a

7458
04:56:04,480 --> 04:56:08,798
statement. You had to speak from your

7459
04:56:06,958 --> 04:56:10,400
own words. And so sometimes you write

7460
04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:12,160
the statement and then you'd paraphrase

7461
04:56:10,400 --> 04:56:14,240
it and then speak that way. It would

7462
04:56:12,160 --> 04:56:16,718
mean more to me um, if you would just

7463
04:56:14,240 --> 04:56:18,638
simply say what you think. But anyway,

7464
04:56:16,718 --> 04:56:21,200
thank you.

7465
04:56:18,638 --> 04:56:23,200
All right. Um, I'm curious either both

7466
04:56:21,200 --> 04:56:25,600
from the chief and from legal counsel,

7467
04:56:23,200 --> 04:56:29,280
are we aware of ICE committing

7468
04:56:25,600 --> 04:56:31,920
warrantless entries into home um into

7469
04:56:29,280 --> 04:56:33,920
homes in Washington state in violation

7470
04:56:31,920 --> 04:56:36,480
of the federal constitution and the

7471
04:56:33,920 --> 04:56:39,360
state constitution?

7472
04:56:36,480 --> 04:56:42,320
» I've heard that coverage. What I can add

7473
04:56:39,360 --> 04:56:44,240
mayor is that to this day we have not

7474
04:56:42,320 --> 04:56:44,798
had a single

7475
04:56:44,240 --> 04:56:46,560
operation.

7476
04:56:44,798 --> 04:56:48,718
» Is your microphone on?

7477
04:56:46,560 --> 04:56:52,638
» Just turn I turned it off.

7478
04:56:48,718 --> 04:56:55,200
» Um what I can tell you is that um I saw

7479
04:56:52,638 --> 04:56:56,878
that in the news coverage, but what I

7480
04:56:55,200 --> 04:56:59,680
can tell you from firsthand experience

7481
04:56:56,878 --> 04:57:02,798
for Federal Way, we have not had a a

7482
04:56:59,680 --> 04:57:06,240
single ICE operation uh that occurred in

7483
04:57:02,798 --> 04:57:08,798
our city. when we had uh complaints

7484
04:57:06,240 --> 04:57:11,760
about an ICE operation uh in one

7485
04:57:08,798 --> 04:57:14,638
incident it was Tacoma undercover uh

7486
04:57:11,760 --> 04:57:17,840
trying to arrest a violent felon. So,

7487
04:57:14,638 --> 04:57:20,240
but they did contact us for deconlict

7488
04:57:17,840 --> 04:57:23,040
and to make notifications. So, I

7489
04:57:20,240 --> 04:57:24,958
remember that a policy inquiry from a

7490
04:57:23,040 --> 04:57:26,958
policy person about hey is this an ICE

7491
04:57:24,958 --> 04:57:30,400
operation and it wasn't. And couple

7492
04:57:26,958 --> 04:57:32,080
other times when we had again policy

7493
04:57:30,400 --> 04:57:33,840
group asking did we have an ICE

7494
04:57:32,080 --> 04:57:36,480
operation? it's really been our special

7495
04:57:33,840 --> 04:57:39,600
investigations unit. So to this date I

7496
04:57:36,480 --> 04:57:42,958
am not aware of a single operation and

7497
04:57:39,600 --> 04:57:45,600
frankly uh I don't think um immigration

7498
04:57:42,958 --> 04:57:48,320
custom enforcement just has the capacity

7499
04:57:45,600 --> 04:57:52,000
to go to every community. So one of the

7500
04:57:48,320 --> 04:57:54,400
ask they is their ask is can we just do

7501
04:57:52,000 --> 04:57:57,120
the handoff you know at the jail but

7502
04:57:54,400 --> 04:57:59,600
again our state law prevents that. So

7503
04:57:57,120 --> 04:58:04,400
that's one thing that that's where the

7504
04:57:59,600 --> 04:58:07,120
major rub uh really is. Um so I would

7505
04:58:04,400 --> 04:58:09,280
tell you far as the warrant that is at

7506
04:58:07,120 --> 04:58:11,280
the federal level and what their

7507
04:58:09,280 --> 04:58:13,040
department of justice authorizes what

7508
04:58:11,280 --> 04:58:14,638
have you. I mean that's complete at the

7509
04:58:13,040 --> 04:58:17,040
federal level. But I'll tell you this if

7510
04:58:14,638 --> 04:58:18,240
we get a call of someone saying hey

7511
04:58:17,040 --> 04:58:19,520
there's something going on. We don't

7512
04:58:18,240 --> 04:58:20,878
know if they're police or not. We're

7513
04:58:19,520 --> 04:58:22,560
going to respond because we are

7514
04:58:20,878 --> 04:58:24,798
responsible for the safety of Federal

7515
04:58:22,560 --> 04:58:27,360
Way. We're going to respond. We're going

7516
04:58:24,798 --> 04:58:29,600
to make contact, verify who they are.

7517
04:58:27,360 --> 04:58:31,920
But the bottom line is I'm also not

7518
04:58:29,600 --> 04:58:35,040
going to tell my officers to interfere,

7519
04:58:31,920 --> 04:58:37,200
obstruct, and violate some US code

7520
04:58:35,040 --> 04:58:39,840
because we we're the ones that's going

7521
04:58:37,200 --> 04:58:41,680
to be subject to potential prosecution.

7522
04:58:39,840 --> 04:58:44,000
And maybe even city government if we

7523
04:58:41,680 --> 04:58:46,080
have policies that says we are going to

7524
04:58:44,000 --> 04:58:48,240
step forward, we're going to interfere.

7525
04:58:46,080 --> 04:58:49,920
We're not going to put I don't recommend

7526
04:58:48,240 --> 04:58:51,360
putting our city in that position.

7527
04:58:49,920 --> 04:58:53,200
Certainly not going to have my officers

7528
04:58:51,360 --> 04:58:55,600
do that. Federal government has their

7529
04:58:53,200 --> 04:58:58,718
job. They have their own rules, federal

7530
04:58:55,600 --> 04:59:00,638
laws, Congress authorizes funding, all

7531
04:58:58,718 --> 04:59:02,718
that. But what I can tell you is we

7532
04:59:00,638 --> 04:59:04,240
fully comply with the state law and we

7533
04:59:02,718 --> 04:59:05,440
are not going to interfere with the US

7534
04:59:04,240 --> 04:59:07,200
code either.

7535
04:59:05,440 --> 04:59:09,360
» Right? And when federal law enforcement

7536
04:59:07,200 --> 04:59:10,718
appears in our community oftenimes,

7537
04:59:09,360 --> 04:59:11,920
don't they give you a heads up? Hey,

7538
04:59:10,718 --> 04:59:13,920
we're going to serve a search warrant

7539
04:59:11,920 --> 04:59:15,520
for like uh you know, internet, you

7540
04:59:13,920 --> 04:59:17,520
know, crime, internet crimes against

7541
04:59:15,520 --> 04:59:19,040
children or you know, those kinds of

7542
04:59:17,520 --> 04:59:20,160
kinds of search warrants that are served

7543
04:59:19,040 --> 04:59:22,160
by federal authorities.

7544
04:59:20,160 --> 04:59:24,958
» Absolutely. We don't want we want to

7545
04:59:22,160 --> 04:59:27,440
deconlict. We do not want some situation

7546
04:59:24,958 --> 04:59:29,760
where uh we have friendly fire and both

7547
04:59:27,440 --> 04:59:33,120
sides can't afford to lose. That would

7548
04:59:29,760 --> 04:59:35,440
be a terrible uh situation. Um I'm

7549
04:59:33,120 --> 04:59:38,320
confident just the other day FBI came

7550
04:59:35,440 --> 04:59:40,560
into our city. Uh we assisted them on a

7551
04:59:38,320 --> 04:59:42,958
search warrant. So that happens on a

7552
04:59:40,560 --> 04:59:46,320
regular basis. That's normal protocol.

7553
04:59:42,958 --> 04:59:48,798
I'm not 100% certain that uh ICE will

7554
04:59:46,320 --> 04:59:50,480
call us every single time if they did

7555
04:59:48,798 --> 04:59:52,080
come into our city or other city just

7556
04:59:50,480 --> 04:59:54,400
because the strain relationship that

7557
04:59:52,080 --> 04:59:56,798
exists at the state level. But local

7558
04:59:54,400 --> 04:59:58,400
level, we just haven't had a single

7559
04:59:56,798 --> 05:00:01,600
incident. I think they are really

7560
04:59:58,400 --> 05:00:05,920
strapped capacity wise as well.

7561
05:00:01,600 --> 05:00:07,680
» Okay. Any other uh Oh, sorry. Jaclyn

7562
05:00:05,920 --> 05:00:09,360
Melissa.

7563
05:00:07,680 --> 05:00:11,360
» Yeah, just a quick question. I think you

7564
05:00:09,360 --> 05:00:14,400
may have just answered it just now. Uh

7565
05:00:11,360 --> 05:00:16,798
suppose immigration were looking for a a

7566
05:00:14,400 --> 05:00:19,920
violent felon, not just somebody that

7567
05:00:16,798 --> 05:00:23,120
that violated immigration laws, but a

7568
05:00:19,920 --> 05:00:25,600
violent felon and they came seeking

7569
05:00:23,120 --> 05:00:27,680
assistance with the violent felon,

7570
05:00:25,600 --> 05:00:30,080
» Then we would help them or not or or

7571
05:00:27,680 --> 05:00:33,280
what what how does the keep Washington

7572
05:00:30,080 --> 05:00:34,080
working act uh interplay with with a

7573
05:00:33,280 --> 05:00:36,240
violent felon?

7574
05:00:34,080 --> 05:00:38,480
» We can't coordinate or assist with

7575
05:00:36,240 --> 05:00:40,400
immigration enforcement. But let's say

7576
05:00:38,480 --> 05:00:43,360
immigration custom enforcement was in

7577
05:00:40,400 --> 05:00:45,280
our city and something went sideways.

7578
05:00:43,360 --> 05:00:47,040
Again, our job is to make sure our

7579
05:00:45,280 --> 05:00:49,040
community is safe. So, we are going to

7580
05:00:47,040 --> 05:00:50,718
respond. We're not going to allow people

7581
05:00:49,040 --> 05:00:52,638
to burn down a building. We're not going

7582
05:00:50,718 --> 05:00:54,798
to have people get assaulted, innocent

7583
05:00:52,638 --> 05:00:57,280
citizens get assaulted. Our job is to

7584
05:00:54,798 --> 05:00:59,520
protect our residents. So, they could be

7585
05:00:57,280 --> 05:01:01,680
there. We may respond, but our job is to

7586
05:00:59,520 --> 05:01:02,638
make sure that there isn't crime that's

7587
05:01:01,680 --> 05:01:04,798
going to occur. We're not going to

7588
05:01:02,638 --> 05:01:06,638
tolerate it. So, I would tell you we're

7589
05:01:04,798 --> 05:01:08,160
not there to do immigration enforcement,

7590
05:01:06,638 --> 05:01:09,840
but we're going to be there to keep our

7591
05:01:08,160 --> 05:01:11,360
community safe. Period.

7592
05:01:09,840 --> 05:01:13,600
» All right. Thank you,

7593
05:01:11,360 --> 05:01:17,280
» Melissa.

7594
05:01:13,600 --> 05:01:20,080
» Uh, yes. Thank you, Chief, for um

7595
05:01:17,280 --> 05:01:22,798
explaining that fine line between not

7596
05:01:20,080 --> 05:01:26,718
cooperating and obstructing because we

7597
05:01:22,798 --> 05:01:28,878
have had community members um you know,

7598
05:01:26,718 --> 05:01:31,440
emailing us asking for our law

7599
05:01:28,878 --> 05:01:34,080
enforcement to arrest federal law

7600
05:01:31,440 --> 05:01:35,760
enforcement and we're just not going to

7601
05:01:34,080 --> 05:01:37,440
do that. We we don't have the authority

7602
05:01:35,760 --> 05:01:39,440
to that and you guys would go to jail,

7603
05:01:37,440 --> 05:01:41,120
federal jail for doing that.

7604
05:01:39,440 --> 05:01:43,520
» I won't do well in jail. I can

7605
05:01:41,120 --> 05:01:45,120
» Yeah, I know. I know. So I so I just

7606
05:01:43,520 --> 05:01:46,878
want to you know say there's a fine line

7607
05:01:45,120 --> 05:01:48,560
between not cooperating and and

7608
05:01:46,878 --> 05:01:51,360
obstructing

7609
05:01:48,560 --> 05:01:52,400
justice. Um and I you know I also want

7610
05:01:51,360 --> 05:01:53,920
since we're on this you know

7611
05:01:52,400 --> 05:01:56,240
conversation I I want to acknowledge

7612
05:01:53,920 --> 05:01:58,400
that the fear in our community is real

7613
05:01:56,240 --> 05:02:01,040
particularly with you know community

7614
05:01:58,400 --> 05:02:04,160
members that you know did not come

7615
05:02:01,040 --> 05:02:06,400
through established legal pathways. So I

7616
05:02:04,160 --> 05:02:08,878
recognize that that the fear is real. I

7617
05:02:06,400 --> 05:02:11,360
don't dismiss that. Um, at the same

7618
05:02:08,878 --> 05:02:13,920
time, I don't I don't

7619
05:02:11,360 --> 05:02:15,440
I'm hesitant that that we would be

7620
05:02:13,920 --> 05:02:17,920
considering

7621
05:02:15,440 --> 05:02:22,240
creating policy based on fear. I'm not

7622
05:02:17,920 --> 05:02:24,480
sure if that's a good governance. Um, I

7623
05:02:22,240 --> 05:02:26,240
think we also need to think about crime

7624
05:02:24,480 --> 05:02:29,680
victims

7625
05:02:26,240 --> 05:02:31,440
and their families and considering

7626
05:02:29,680 --> 05:02:35,040
because we've got so many emails whether

7627
05:02:31,440 --> 05:02:36,718
or not eliminating our tools is going to

7628
05:02:35,040 --> 05:02:41,520
help our community or if it's going to

7629
05:02:36,718 --> 05:02:45,760
harm our community. And I uh see that

7630
05:02:41,520 --> 05:02:47,920
this has this technology has helped with

7631
05:02:45,760 --> 05:02:52,878
solving crimes. It's helped bring

7632
05:02:47,920 --> 05:02:56,958
justice uh for victims and uh you know

7633
05:02:52,878 --> 05:03:00,240
our city is not sharing flot camera data

7634
05:02:56,958 --> 05:03:02,000
with uh immigration officials and

7635
05:03:00,240 --> 05:03:04,080
frankly that's not the role of local law

7636
05:03:02,000 --> 05:03:06,798
law enforcement. We don't have the time

7637
05:03:04,080 --> 05:03:10,798
to do that. That's why we have federal

7638
05:03:06,798 --> 05:03:13,840
law enforcement officers to do that. Um,

7639
05:03:10,798 --> 05:03:15,840
also, you know, I just want to say if if

7640
05:03:13,840 --> 05:03:17,440
there's a policy, you know, decision to

7641
05:03:15,840 --> 05:03:19,600
remove flot cameras, it's not going to

7642
05:03:17,440 --> 05:03:21,520
stop federal law enforcement. They're

7643
05:03:19,600 --> 05:03:23,760
still going to carry out their duties

7644
05:03:21,520 --> 05:03:25,040
whether we have it in at or not. But

7645
05:03:23,760 --> 05:03:26,878
what it is going to do is it's going to

7646
05:03:25,040 --> 05:03:30,798
limit our local law enforcement's

7647
05:03:26,878 --> 05:03:33,600
ability to solve crimes. And some of the

7648
05:03:30,798 --> 05:03:38,638
crimes that I've read about that I know

7649
05:03:33,600 --> 05:03:40,560
about was uh one was out of Tequila,

7650
05:03:38,638 --> 05:03:42,798
you know, and it was a victim of a

7651
05:03:40,560 --> 05:03:46,798
drive-by shooting and the perpetrator

7652
05:03:42,798 --> 05:03:48,798
was captured due to a flot camera alert.

7653
05:03:46,798 --> 05:03:50,560
Another one was out of King County

7654
05:03:48,798 --> 05:03:55,120
Sheriff's Office and that one was a

7655
05:03:50,560 --> 05:03:59,360
victim of a felony domestic violence

7656
05:03:55,120 --> 05:04:02,000
no contact order violation. That person

7657
05:03:59,360 --> 05:04:05,440
feared for their life and then relief

7658
05:04:02,000 --> 05:04:07,120
came when a flock camera hit allowed

7659
05:04:05,440 --> 05:04:10,878
local law enforcement to catch that

7660
05:04:07,120 --> 05:04:13,440
person and uh to take her abuser into

7661
05:04:10,878 --> 05:04:15,360
custody. And the other one chief you

7662
05:04:13,440 --> 05:04:17,040
mentioned was the child that was

7663
05:04:15,360 --> 05:04:19,840
kidnapped that was out of her own

7664
05:04:17,040 --> 05:04:22,080
jurisdiction. uh that child was taken by

7665
05:04:19,840 --> 05:04:25,520
force, kidnapped

7666
05:04:22,080 --> 05:04:30,240
um and then that child was returned to

7667
05:04:25,520 --> 05:04:32,798
their parents due to a flot camera. So,

7668
05:04:30,240 --> 05:04:35,280
you know, I uh

7669
05:04:32,798 --> 05:04:37,120
as an elected official

7670
05:04:35,280 --> 05:04:40,080
when crimes like these are committed and

7671
05:04:37,120 --> 05:04:41,520
families ask me,

7672
05:04:40,080 --> 05:04:44,638
you know, have you done everything you

7673
05:04:41,520 --> 05:04:46,320
can to help? I

7674
05:04:44,638 --> 05:04:49,680
I want to be able to say that we have

7675
05:04:46,320 --> 05:04:54,000
used every lawful tool at our disposal

7676
05:04:49,680 --> 05:04:55,760
to help bring justice. And uh

7677
05:04:54,000 --> 05:04:58,560
I I don't I don't want to say that we

7678
05:04:55,760 --> 05:05:01,760
have voluntarily disarmed ourselves due

7679
05:04:58,560 --> 05:05:03,680
to hypothetical fear. I I don't believe

7680
05:05:01,760 --> 05:05:06,320
that that's happening. And you know, I'm

7681
05:05:03,680 --> 05:05:07,920
just going to kind of close with this is

7682
05:05:06,320 --> 05:05:10,160
that, you know, our US Constitution

7683
05:05:07,920 --> 05:05:13,200
starts with a preamble and part of that

7684
05:05:10,160 --> 05:05:14,638
preamble is to establish justice. And so

7685
05:05:13,200 --> 05:05:16,878
I think it's very important to think

7686
05:05:14,638 --> 05:05:18,718
about the victims of crime, the the

7687
05:05:16,878 --> 05:05:23,680
crimes that have been solved using this

7688
05:05:18,718 --> 05:05:25,760
technology. Um I I think that uh you

7689
05:05:23,680 --> 05:05:28,718
know, we've set up good infrastructure

7690
05:05:25,760 --> 05:05:31,360
to help bring justice and to help our

7691
05:05:28,718 --> 05:05:34,958
police do their jobs in our community.

7692
05:05:31,360 --> 05:05:37,440
» All right, Martin. Thank you.

7693
05:05:34,958 --> 05:05:40,240
» Oh, okay. Uh, thank you, mayor. Um, and

7694
05:05:37,440 --> 05:05:41,920
and council member, excuse me, Melissa,

7695
05:05:40,240 --> 05:05:43,440
thank you for your comments. Um, you

7696
05:05:41,920 --> 05:05:46,878
know, I I was really proud that the

7697
05:05:43,440 --> 05:05:48,878
council voted uh 70 uh for the drones,

7698
05:05:46,878 --> 05:05:51,840
uh, first responders. That spoke

7699
05:05:48,878 --> 05:05:53,600
volumes, chief. Uh, 70. Uh, and it's

7700
05:05:51,840 --> 05:05:55,600
because of what you said, because of the

7701
05:05:53,600 --> 05:05:57,680
fact that we all believe that our law

7702
05:05:55,600 --> 05:06:00,160
enforcement officers, the Federal Way

7703
05:05:57,680 --> 05:06:02,240
Police Department officers, uh, need the

7704
05:06:00,160 --> 05:06:05,440
tools to keep our community safe locally

7705
05:06:02,240 --> 05:06:10,160
here. Um, and, um, look, I've said to

7706
05:06:05,440 --> 05:06:13,040
to, uh, uh, constituents that, um, I

7707
05:06:10,160 --> 05:06:14,958
will support the flock cameras. Um, and

7708
05:06:13,040 --> 05:06:16,798
I've been pretty clear about that and

7709
05:06:14,958 --> 05:06:18,320
and I think it's really important that

7710
05:06:16,798 --> 05:06:21,120
that we're absolutely doing everything

7711
05:06:18,320 --> 05:06:23,280
we can to uphold to the oath that we

7712
05:06:21,120 --> 05:06:28,638
took. Um, and so I agree with you on

7713
05:06:23,280 --> 05:06:31,120
that. Um, and I think um

7714
05:06:28,638 --> 05:06:34,240
I mean

7715
05:06:31,120 --> 05:06:38,718
I think

7716
05:06:34,240 --> 05:06:39,600
it's I mean really for me um uh I'm just

7717
05:06:38,718 --> 05:06:41,840
grateful that we've had this

7718
05:06:39,600 --> 05:06:43,520
conversation that we're having it

7719
05:06:41,840 --> 05:06:46,320
because I I I'm willing to make a bet

7720
05:06:43,520 --> 05:06:50,240
that when I was not on the council um

7721
05:06:46,320 --> 05:06:52,080
and maybe over a year or a year ago

7722
05:06:50,240 --> 05:06:53,280
um we weren't having these conversations

7723
05:06:52,080 --> 05:06:54,638
and sometimes

7724
05:06:53,280 --> 05:06:55,920
You know, I'm I'm chief. I'm glad to

7725
05:06:54,638 --> 05:06:58,878
hear that the ISIS is not here in

7726
05:06:55,920 --> 05:07:01,760
Fedaway. That That's good. Um but it's

7727
05:06:58,878 --> 05:07:04,400
all around us. It is all around us. And

7728
05:07:01,760 --> 05:07:06,160
I'm of the opinion, and I'm only myself,

7729
05:07:04,400 --> 05:07:08,798
that it will be coming here and fed

7730
05:07:06,160 --> 05:07:10,320
away. It will be uh whether or not

7731
05:07:08,798 --> 05:07:12,798
they're strapped or not, they just got a

7732
05:07:10,320 --> 05:07:14,878
nice little beautiful big budget uh that

7733
05:07:12,798 --> 05:07:17,040
was just voted approved. Uh and so I

7734
05:07:14,878 --> 05:07:19,440
think it's coming. And I think part of

7735
05:07:17,040 --> 05:07:21,760
my job, and I'll only speak for myself,

7736
05:07:19,440 --> 05:07:24,560
is we got to be able to foresee things.

7737
05:07:21,760 --> 05:07:26,638
And um and honestly, I mean, Melissa,

7738
05:07:24,560 --> 05:07:28,080
I'm really grateful to what you said

7739
05:07:26,638 --> 05:07:31,360
seriously and I'm honest. I'm being

7740
05:07:28,080 --> 05:07:33,440
honest that of you recognizing

7741
05:07:31,360 --> 05:07:34,718
all walks of life and are and all

7742
05:07:33,440 --> 05:07:36,878
individuals here in Federal Way because

7743
05:07:34,718 --> 05:07:39,120
I think that's where it starts and you

7744
05:07:36,878 --> 05:07:41,440
know during difficulties when people are

7745
05:07:39,120 --> 05:07:43,040
traumatized and they are they are

7746
05:07:41,440 --> 05:07:44,878
traumatized right here in Fedway. Let's

7747
05:07:43,040 --> 05:07:46,400
not shy away from that. That doesn't

7748
05:07:44,878 --> 05:07:49,280
mean we should ignore it. We should at

7749
05:07:46,400 --> 05:07:51,200
least acknowledge it. And that's what I

7750
05:07:49,280 --> 05:07:54,000
wanted to do here with this council

7751
05:07:51,200 --> 05:07:55,760
retreat with this item, you know, u and

7752
05:07:54,000 --> 05:07:58,878
and again I want to reiterate, no one's

7753
05:07:55,760 --> 05:08:01,280
asking to pass policies. We cannot pass

7754
05:07:58,878 --> 05:08:06,080
policies, you know. All I'm asking for

7755
05:08:01,280 --> 05:08:08,320
is maybe we reignite that welcoming city

7756
05:08:06,080 --> 05:08:10,160
resolution statement, you know, and

7757
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:11,680
there's nothing wrong with us telling

7758
05:08:10,160 --> 05:08:14,080
the community, we see you, we honor you,

7759
05:08:11,680 --> 05:08:17,680
and we care about you, you know, and and

7760
05:08:14,080 --> 05:08:19,520
so uh I appreciate uh my colleagues for

7761
05:08:17,680 --> 05:08:22,560
at least having this conversation and

7762
05:08:19,520 --> 05:08:25,520
and chief, again,

7763
05:08:22,560 --> 05:08:27,280
uh we I uh sincerely appreciate the work

7764
05:08:25,520 --> 05:08:29,280
that you're doing and and the work that

7765
05:08:27,280 --> 05:08:32,080
the men and women are doing to keep our

7766
05:08:29,280 --> 05:08:33,360
uh community safe and and as I can only

7767
05:08:32,080 --> 05:08:34,560
speak for myself as long as I'm on the

7768
05:08:33,360 --> 05:08:36,400
city council, you've got my full

7769
05:08:34,560 --> 05:08:37,520
commitment to to keep doing that, to

7770
05:08:36,400 --> 05:08:39,440
keep supporting our law enforcement

7771
05:08:37,520 --> 05:08:41,040
officers because that's our job. Uh and

7772
05:08:39,440 --> 05:08:42,958
they need that. They need to know that

7773
05:08:41,040 --> 05:08:45,200
they have a council that's backing them.

7774
05:08:42,958 --> 05:08:46,878
Um but I think there's a difference of

7775
05:08:45,200 --> 05:08:50,080
supporting law enforcement and

7776
05:08:46,878 --> 05:08:52,240
supporting um you know, federal

7777
05:08:50,080 --> 05:08:54,160
immigration action. And that's what I'm

7778
05:08:52,240 --> 05:08:55,840
going to be watching out for carefully

7779
05:08:54,160 --> 05:08:58,000
uh to speak up for my brothers and

7780
05:08:55,840 --> 05:08:59,760
sisters that are immigrants and that

7781
05:08:58,000 --> 05:09:01,840
have come here from a different country.

7782
05:08:59,760 --> 05:09:03,920
Thank you.

7783
05:09:01,840 --> 05:09:06,920
» Uh Jack, do you have something?

7784
05:09:03,920 --> 05:09:06,920
» No.

7785
05:09:11,280 --> 05:09:14,280
» Yeah.

7786
05:09:14,878 --> 05:09:19,040
» Okay. All right. Let's move on to the

7787
05:09:16,560 --> 05:09:23,000
next item. Item nine, uh housing use of

7788
05:09:19,040 --> 05:09:23,000
church property. Keith Nan

7789
05:09:23,840 --> 05:09:28,958
and I think uh our uh uh former

7790
05:09:26,798 --> 05:09:32,320
colleague uh Jack Dobby is here as well

7791
05:09:28,958 --> 05:09:34,000
as he was very involved in the uh uh the

7792
05:09:32,320 --> 05:09:36,560
starting of this policy and I asked him

7793
05:09:34,000 --> 05:09:39,120
to be here and help out as well with

7794
05:09:36,560 --> 05:09:41,040
this presentation. Um so Jack if you

7795
05:09:39,120 --> 05:09:42,878
want to approach as well and maybe we

7796
05:09:41,040 --> 05:09:44,080
could pull up another chair uh just

7797
05:09:42,878 --> 05:09:46,878
because I think you were integately

7798
05:09:44,080 --> 05:09:50,240
involved in the um formulation of this

7799
05:09:46,878 --> 05:09:51,040
policy and and we can go from there.

7800
05:09:50,240 --> 05:09:51,520
Mayor.

7801
05:09:51,040 --> 05:09:53,840
» Yeah.

7802
05:09:51,520 --> 05:09:55,440
» Um, you know, looking at our agenda, I'm

7803
05:09:53,840 --> 05:09:58,160
thinking that maybe we need to pull

7804
05:09:55,440 --> 05:10:00,240
maybe number 11 off at this point and we

7805
05:09:58,160 --> 05:10:01,040
can talk about that at the parks

7806
05:10:00,240 --> 05:10:04,240
committee.

7807
05:10:01,040 --> 05:10:06,080
» Okay. And my understanding is um as far

7808
05:10:04,240 --> 05:10:09,600
as a budget briefing, um, doesn't Steve

7809
05:10:06,080 --> 05:10:12,878
Broom give a monthly report um at, uh,

7810
05:10:09,600 --> 05:10:15,120
FedE? Um, yeah, I I had just asked for

7811
05:10:12,878 --> 05:10:17,360
that so that he could talk to the new

7812
05:10:15,120 --> 05:10:19,360
members as to what to expect this year

7813
05:10:17,360 --> 05:10:19,760
for building the budget and how that's

7814
05:10:19,360 --> 05:10:21,120
done.

7815
05:10:19,760 --> 05:10:22,718
» Okay, let's let you have maybe a brief

7816
05:10:21,120 --> 05:10:24,958
conversation about that. Okay. Instead

7817
05:10:22,718 --> 05:10:27,120
of like a full-on this is what's going

7818
05:10:24,958 --> 05:10:28,638
on with the status of the budget that

7819
05:10:27,120 --> 05:10:30,560
that what to expect.

7820
05:10:28,638 --> 05:10:33,680
» Yeah, if I may.

7821
05:10:30,560 --> 05:10:35,840
» Yeah. I I I think the conversation that

7822
05:10:33,680 --> 05:10:38,320
council member Honda and I also had um

7823
05:10:35,840 --> 05:10:40,798
was you know talking about potential

7824
05:10:38,320 --> 05:10:43,040
forecasts at least starting to to talk

7825
05:10:40,798 --> 05:10:44,638
about that and so that way uh we're just

7826
05:10:43,040 --> 05:10:46,080
a part of the process along the way.

7827
05:10:44,638 --> 05:10:48,400
» Right.

7828
05:10:46,080 --> 05:10:51,440
» Okay. So it was anticipated this this

7829
05:10:48,400 --> 05:10:53,200
would be a a one-hour discussion but

7830
05:10:51,440 --> 05:10:55,040
let's see if we can sort of get get

7831
05:10:53,200 --> 05:10:56,320
right to the nub of the issue with the

7832
05:10:55,040 --> 05:10:58,000
uh with the use of church property

7833
05:10:56,320 --> 05:11:00,878
housing issue. Keith.

7834
05:10:58,000 --> 05:11:03,840
» Okay. Um hopefully the cookie is still

7835
05:11:00,878 --> 05:11:07,120
working. Good afternoon everybody.

7836
05:11:03,840 --> 05:11:09,040
Um so I'm going to show these uh some of

7837
05:11:07,120 --> 05:11:10,480
these slides that you guys have seen as

7838
05:11:09,040 --> 05:11:14,000
part of the city's comprehensive plan.

7839
05:11:10,480 --> 05:11:16,958
And and the reason for that um is uh

7840
05:11:14,000 --> 05:11:21,360
twofold. One on the the graphic on the

7841
05:11:16,958 --> 05:11:25,520
left. What that's showing is um the that

7842
05:11:21,360 --> 05:11:27,440
the orange is twoerson household. Um and

7843
05:11:25,520 --> 05:11:30,638
that's our biggest group. So when you

7844
05:11:27,440 --> 05:11:32,958
look at the demographics in Federal Way

7845
05:11:30,638 --> 05:11:36,320
and how many people are living in each

7846
05:11:32,958 --> 05:11:38,160
home, the biggest slice we have is

7847
05:11:36,320 --> 05:11:40,160
twoerson households. And when you add it

7848
05:11:38,160 --> 05:11:43,280
with the oneerson household, which is

7849
05:11:40,160 --> 05:11:45,680
the blue on the left, that's over 50% of

7850
05:11:43,280 --> 05:11:47,920
our households are either one or two

7851
05:11:45,680 --> 05:11:50,400
person households. So that's that's

7852
05:11:47,920 --> 05:11:53,120
changing. We're aging as a city like a

7853
05:11:50,400 --> 05:11:55,360
lot of of them are and uh we have a lot

7854
05:11:53,120 --> 05:11:57,120
of one and two person households. So

7855
05:11:55,360 --> 05:11:58,798
that affects what kind of housing we

7856
05:11:57,120 --> 05:12:01,760
should be thinking about coming our way

7857
05:11:58,798 --> 05:12:04,240
down the pike. Um the graphic on the

7858
05:12:01,760 --> 05:12:06,320
right um what that is also from our

7859
05:12:04,240 --> 05:12:09,120
comprehensive plan housing chapter. What

7860
05:12:06,320 --> 05:12:10,718
that's showing is of that 11,260

7861
05:12:09,120 --> 05:12:13,040
housing units that we need to plan for

7862
05:12:10,718 --> 05:12:15,920
over the next 20 years, we need housing

7863
05:12:13,040 --> 05:12:17,680
at every income level, right? Um so each

7864
05:12:15,920 --> 05:12:20,160
one of those bars is a different income

7865
05:12:17,680 --> 05:12:21,760
level. there's a certain number of uh

7866
05:12:20,160 --> 05:12:24,320
housing units that need to be

7867
05:12:21,760 --> 05:12:27,440
accommodated in each one and that's the

7868
05:12:24,320 --> 05:12:30,798
forecast we've gotten um down from OFM

7869
05:12:27,440 --> 05:12:33,360
and King County. So my point is smaller

7870
05:12:30,798 --> 05:12:36,320
households and uh we need a lot of them

7871
05:12:33,360 --> 05:12:38,320
at every income bracket.

7872
05:12:36,320 --> 05:12:42,320
So here we're going to pause and do an

7873
05:12:38,320 --> 05:12:44,480
kind of a affordability thing. Um all of

7874
05:12:42,320 --> 05:12:46,638
us did this at one point when we were

7875
05:12:44,480 --> 05:12:49,680
thinking about buying our first house.

7876
05:12:46,638 --> 05:12:52,878
uh how much can we afford? And what I

7877
05:12:49,680 --> 05:12:54,480
ran the numbers on was for a house at

7878
05:12:52,878 --> 05:12:57,520
$350,000.

7879
05:12:54,480 --> 05:12:59,920
And I'll explain that um in a sec, but

7880
05:12:57,520 --> 05:13:03,040
basically given the current mortgage

7881
05:12:59,920 --> 05:13:04,320
rate rate at about 6.1%,

7882
05:13:03,040 --> 05:13:05,840
you know, that's going to come out to be

7883
05:13:04,320 --> 05:13:08,638
$2522

7884
05:13:05,840 --> 05:13:12,878
a month. All right? So if you times that

7885
05:13:08,638 --> 05:13:16,878
by 12, um that's 30,264.

7886
05:13:12,878 --> 05:13:19,040
and to not be housing cost burdened. And

7887
05:13:16,878 --> 05:13:20,878
that's a terminology you used when you

7888
05:13:19,040 --> 05:13:22,798
are spending more than 30% of your

7889
05:13:20,878 --> 05:13:24,480
income on housing. And we have a ton of

7890
05:13:22,798 --> 05:13:27,120
people in the United States that are

7891
05:13:24,480 --> 05:13:29,120
over that are either housing cost

7892
05:13:27,120 --> 05:13:32,000
burdened or severely housing cost

7893
05:13:29,120 --> 05:13:34,958
burden, which is spending 50% of your

7894
05:13:32,000 --> 05:13:38,000
income on housing. but to be basically

7895
05:13:34,958 --> 05:13:40,240
in what's considered the good range. Um,

7896
05:13:38,000 --> 05:13:42,400
if you were only spending 30% of your

7897
05:13:40,240 --> 05:13:45,760
income on housing and you were paying

7898
05:13:42,400 --> 05:13:50,080
$2,500 a month, you'd be making about

7899
05:13:45,760 --> 05:13:52,080
$100,000 a year. All right. So, now we

7900
05:13:50,080 --> 05:13:55,520
go to this table, which we love. So,

7901
05:13:52,080 --> 05:13:57,360
this is the uh median income for um

7902
05:13:55,520 --> 05:14:00,160
Seattle Belleview metropolitan area,

7903
05:13:57,360 --> 05:14:02,798
which includes Federal Way. Um, so that

7904
05:14:00,160 --> 05:14:05,200
$100,000 as you look at it, a twoerson

7905
05:14:02,798 --> 05:14:09,120
household, and remember I said a lot of

7906
05:14:05,200 --> 05:14:11,920
our housing is twoerson households. Um,

7907
05:14:09,120 --> 05:14:15,680
to be at $106,000,

7908
05:14:11,920 --> 05:14:19,840
you'd be at 85% AMI. So when we throw

7909
05:14:15,680 --> 05:14:22,878
out these terms like 80% AMI, uh 70%

7910
05:14:19,840 --> 05:14:26,560
AMI, that correlates to this table for

7911
05:14:22,878 --> 05:14:30,000
ownership and it can show you basically

7912
05:14:26,560 --> 05:14:32,400
how much you can qualify for um and and

7913
05:14:30,000 --> 05:14:34,000
afford comfortably. Now obviously if

7914
05:14:32,400 --> 05:14:36,160
you're spending more than 30% of your

7915
05:14:34,000 --> 05:14:40,240
income on housing, um it's a different

7916
05:14:36,160 --> 05:14:41,840
story, but this is assuming that 30%. So

7917
05:14:40,240 --> 05:14:44,400
what problem are we trying to solve with

7918
05:14:41,840 --> 05:14:46,400
this? Um so the city's housing action

7919
05:14:44,400 --> 05:14:47,840
plan identified that housing production

7920
05:14:46,400 --> 05:14:50,878
in federal way [clears throat] was not

7921
05:14:47,840 --> 05:14:53,440
robust. Actually it was kind of anemic

7922
05:14:50,878 --> 05:14:57,280
and one of the things that we are trying

7923
05:14:53,440 --> 05:14:58,798
to do is see if there are things there

7924
05:14:57,280 --> 05:15:00,638
there are rocks that still need to be

7925
05:14:58,798 --> 05:15:03,440
overturned. Are there things that could

7926
05:15:00,638 --> 05:15:07,040
be done to improve uh the construction

7927
05:15:03,440 --> 05:15:08,798
of housing um in the city um moving

7928
05:15:07,040 --> 05:15:10,958
forward?

7929
05:15:08,798 --> 05:15:12,798
So,

7930
05:15:10,958 --> 05:15:15,280
one question that we asked ourselves

7931
05:15:12,798 --> 05:15:17,840
was, is there property in the city

7932
05:15:15,280 --> 05:15:21,200
that's just sitting there? Um, maybe

7933
05:15:17,840 --> 05:15:24,798
underutilized. Um, and that led us to

7934
05:15:21,200 --> 05:15:26,798
looking at churches and we looked at a

7935
05:15:24,798 --> 05:15:27,920
lot of church I personally looked at a

7936
05:15:26,798 --> 05:15:32,000
lot of churches [clears throat] in

7937
05:15:27,920 --> 05:15:34,240
federal and these 12 churches likely

7938
05:15:32,000 --> 05:15:37,280
have surplus land that they're sitting

7939
05:15:34,240 --> 05:15:40,080
on um that could be used. These are a

7940
05:15:37,280 --> 05:15:42,400
lot of if and and when words that could

7941
05:15:40,080 --> 05:15:44,160
be used for housing at some point in

7942
05:15:42,400 --> 05:15:45,840
time.

7943
05:15:44,160 --> 05:15:48,000
So where we are and then I'm going to

7944
05:15:45,840 --> 05:15:49,600
turn over to Jack. Where we are is we've

7945
05:15:48,000 --> 05:15:51,840
initiated development agreement process

7946
05:15:49,600 --> 05:15:54,718
with Wayside. Um Wayside approached the

7947
05:15:51,840 --> 05:15:58,400
city and said, you know, we have

7948
05:15:54,718 --> 05:16:01,040
financial issues. We have extra land. Um

7949
05:15:58,400 --> 05:16:02,320
we would be open to

7950
05:16:01,040 --> 05:16:04,080
trying to work through a development

7951
05:16:02,320 --> 05:16:06,400
agreement. So that process has started

7952
05:16:04,080 --> 05:16:08,480
with Wayside. They came to the council

7953
05:16:06,400 --> 05:16:10,718
and asked the council, would you support

7954
05:16:08,480 --> 05:16:13,040
a development agreement for Wayside? And

7955
05:16:10,718 --> 05:16:14,958
y'all said, "Sure, let's open up the

7956
05:16:13,040 --> 05:16:17,680
process and see where that goes." So,

7957
05:16:14,958 --> 05:16:19,280
that one's in process. We have had Jack

7958
05:16:17,680 --> 05:16:22,240
and I have had conversations with Good

7959
05:16:19,280 --> 05:16:24,000
Shepard. Um, they have yet to really

7960
05:16:22,240 --> 05:16:27,878
come in the door yet, but we've at least

7961
05:16:24,000 --> 05:16:27,878
had conversations with them.

7962
05:16:28,240 --> 05:16:32,400
» Uh, thank you. Um, thank you all for

7963
05:16:30,480 --> 05:16:35,200
letting me take a few minutes to maybe

7964
05:16:32,400 --> 05:16:37,280
expand on what's been done for the last

7965
05:16:35,200 --> 05:16:39,200
year and maybe some visions for going

7966
05:16:37,280 --> 05:16:39,920
forward. Is this you can hear me okay

7967
05:16:39,200 --> 05:16:40,240
with this?

7968
05:16:39,920 --> 05:16:43,120
» Yeah.

7969
05:16:40,240 --> 05:16:45,680
» Okay. So, you know, I've heard in this

7970
05:16:43,120 --> 05:16:48,560
meeting so far tonight, um, we're a city

7971
05:16:45,680 --> 05:16:50,240
where people belong and we need to be

7972
05:16:48,560 --> 05:16:54,240
and my I'm going to add to that we need

7973
05:16:50,240 --> 05:16:56,718
to afford at affordable housing so

7974
05:16:54,240 --> 05:16:59,200
people aren't shackled to rent so they

7975
05:16:56,718 --> 05:17:01,920
can actually stay here.

7976
05:16:59,200 --> 05:17:05,040
And two, and housing, I've been doing a

7977
05:17:01,920 --> 05:17:06,638
lot of research all last year since off

7978
05:17:05,040 --> 05:17:09,520
the time of the council working with

7979
05:17:06,638 --> 05:17:11,600
Keith. I think we need to think our our

7980
05:17:09,520 --> 05:17:15,840
mentality has to shift from a retail

7981
05:17:11,600 --> 05:17:17,840
housing market to a wholesale market.

7982
05:17:15,840 --> 05:17:20,240
And I think [clears throat] my

7983
05:17:17,840 --> 05:17:23,040
background is manufacturing.

7984
05:17:20,240 --> 05:17:26,080
So, we need to think like a manufacturer

7985
05:17:23,040 --> 05:17:28,160
instead of a consumer. And we've all

7986
05:17:26,080 --> 05:17:31,440
bought houses. We've all been in that

7987
05:17:28,160 --> 05:17:34,160
process. And what my research shows when

7988
05:17:31,440 --> 05:17:36,480
you look at those 12 churches,

7989
05:17:34,160 --> 05:17:39,440
there's about 600

7990
05:17:36,480 --> 05:17:41,920
houses that could be built in a perfect

7991
05:17:39,440 --> 05:17:44,958
world if everybody said yes, I want to

7992
05:17:41,920 --> 05:17:47,200
do affordable housing based on the new

7993
05:17:44,958 --> 05:17:49,360
state laws for zoning, which this

7994
05:17:47,200 --> 05:17:52,718
council passed to adopt in the city of

7995
05:17:49,360 --> 05:17:56,638
Federal Way, and based on the ability to

7996
05:17:52,718 --> 05:17:58,958
be denser and to be more clustered of

7997
05:17:56,638 --> 05:18:02,080
the houses. And then when you look at

7998
05:17:58,958 --> 05:18:05,200
federal way just in general, there's a

7999
05:18:02,080 --> 05:18:08,320
lot of land where there are sewers that

8000
05:18:05,200 --> 05:18:10,240
can actually be added housing where you

8001
05:18:08,320 --> 05:18:13,120
can get the density from one house to

8002
05:18:10,240 --> 05:18:14,958
maybe five. Something we've been working

8003
05:18:13,120 --> 05:18:18,080
on as a council, but we haven't acted

8004
05:18:14,958 --> 05:18:20,000
on. So what I've been doing in the last

8005
05:18:18,080 --> 05:18:23,280
month, two months actually, is kind of

8006
05:18:20,000 --> 05:18:26,160
working with builders. Well, the process

8007
05:18:23,280 --> 05:18:29,280
I've been working through is

8008
05:18:26,160 --> 05:18:32,240
working on infill and I've talked so far

8009
05:18:29,280 --> 05:18:34,480
to the process. I've been working with

8010
05:18:32,240 --> 05:18:37,440
four different builders.

8011
05:18:34,480 --> 05:18:39,440
I've talked to one union. I've talked to

8012
05:18:37,440 --> 05:18:41,520
two architects,

8013
05:18:39,440 --> 05:18:43,600
uh, two nonprofits,

8014
05:18:41,520 --> 05:18:47,200
five churches,

8015
05:18:43,600 --> 05:18:48,878
um, one independent property owner, two

8016
05:18:47,200 --> 05:18:51,120
utilities,

8017
05:18:48,878 --> 05:18:53,920
two funding sources,

8018
05:18:51,120 --> 05:18:56,480
two civil engineers, three real estate

8019
05:18:53,920 --> 05:18:58,718
organizations,

8020
05:18:56,480 --> 05:19:00,240
um, in order to figure out the process

8021
05:18:58,718 --> 05:19:01,760
and what has to be done to be

8022
05:19:00,240 --> 05:19:03,440
affordable.

8023
05:19:01,760 --> 05:19:06,718
My vision of affordable is somewhere

8024
05:19:03,440 --> 05:19:08,798
between 300 and 350,000. I've always

8025
05:19:06,718 --> 05:19:11,040
said 300,000,

8026
05:19:08,798 --> 05:19:13,840
but based on a few things and based on

8027
05:19:11,040 --> 05:19:17,360
the tables that Keith has put together,

8028
05:19:13,840 --> 05:19:19,840
I've expanded it up to 350,000.

8029
05:19:17,360 --> 05:19:21,840
The reason for that is for affordable

8030
05:19:19,840 --> 05:19:24,320
housing,

8031
05:19:21,840 --> 05:19:26,878
you have to build it so people who can

8032
05:19:24,320 --> 05:19:28,400
afford it, and you saw the numbers, but

8033
05:19:26,878 --> 05:19:30,400
you also have to make it so it's not a

8034
05:19:28,400 --> 05:19:32,240
windfall. So, somebody gets the lottery

8035
05:19:30,400 --> 05:19:34,560
and gets to buy one of these houses and

8036
05:19:32,240 --> 05:19:36,878
then turns around and sells it a year

8037
05:19:34,560 --> 05:19:40,000
later in pocketes pockets a few hundred

8038
05:19:36,878 --> 05:19:42,000
thousand. Well, the affordable housing

8039
05:19:40,000 --> 05:19:43,520
process that Keith knows very much about

8040
05:19:42,000 --> 05:19:45,680
and we kind of talked about in the

8041
05:19:43,520 --> 05:19:48,320
council, these houses have to stay

8042
05:19:45,680 --> 05:19:51,520
affordable for up to 50 years if the

8043
05:19:48,320 --> 05:19:55,680
council does concessions.

8044
05:19:51,520 --> 05:19:58,160
And um the things that I think we need

8045
05:19:55,680 --> 05:20:00,160
to do or I would ask this council to

8046
05:19:58,160 --> 05:20:03,360
think about. So we get stable,

8047
05:20:00,160 --> 05:20:05,680
affordable for purchase housing, not

8048
05:20:03,360 --> 05:20:08,080
rentals. So we're shackling people to

8049
05:20:05,680 --> 05:20:10,718
the rent, but we're building it so they

8050
05:20:08,080 --> 05:20:13,200
can buy it, build generational wealth,

8051
05:20:10,718 --> 05:20:15,520
and be in the neighborhood.

8052
05:20:13,200 --> 05:20:17,200
Is we got to stick to the zoning laws,

8053
05:20:15,520 --> 05:20:18,718
which we've been put together here in

8054
05:20:17,200 --> 05:20:22,320
the city of Federal Way. This council,

8055
05:20:18,718 --> 05:20:25,120
many of you on it voted for 70 vote.

8056
05:20:22,320 --> 05:20:27,760
We got to keep the school fees at zero.

8057
05:20:25,120 --> 05:20:30,000
you can't upgrade them because that was

8058
05:20:27,760 --> 05:20:33,680
a biggest detriment for why Federal Way

8059
05:20:30,000 --> 05:20:35,680
missed out the building boom of the

8060
05:20:33,680 --> 05:20:38,080
late, you know, the COVID time and

8061
05:20:35,680 --> 05:20:40,798
before that.

8062
05:20:38,080 --> 05:20:43,440
There has to be some traffic mitigation.

8063
05:20:40,798 --> 05:20:45,760
These are going to be infills. So, we

8064
05:20:43,440 --> 05:20:48,160
can't have policies that you got to add

8065
05:20:45,760 --> 05:20:50,560
more sidewalks than are already there.

8066
05:20:48,160 --> 05:20:52,160
You have to have egress egress on the

8067
05:20:50,560 --> 05:20:54,240
roads. It may have to be a little bit

8068
05:20:52,160 --> 05:20:57,360
different so you can keep the cost out

8069
05:20:54,240 --> 05:21:00,400
so you can get to 300 and 350

8070
05:20:57,360 --> 05:21:03,760
and you need to think as a council

8071
05:21:00,400 --> 05:21:06,240
permitting fees. We already have my the

8072
05:21:03,760 --> 05:21:09,200
city has the staff doing the permitting.

8073
05:21:06,240 --> 05:21:11,760
They do this every day. You heard back

8074
05:21:09,200 --> 05:21:13,600
on one of the presentations on AI. I

8075
05:21:11,760 --> 05:21:15,360
think Keith talked about it and I've

8076
05:21:13,600 --> 05:21:17,200
gone on AI and talked about uh

8077
05:21:15,360 --> 05:21:19,120
permitting fees and how it does it is

8078
05:21:17,200 --> 05:21:20,958
very confusing.

8079
05:21:19,120 --> 05:21:23,840
I believe that the council needs to have

8080
05:21:20,958 --> 05:21:27,600
the process that permitting fees for

8081
05:21:23,840 --> 05:21:29,280
affordable housing be modified so it's

8082
05:21:27,600 --> 05:21:32,400
not a burden so you can keep the cost

8083
05:21:29,280 --> 05:21:35,760
down. The builders I've talked to can

8084
05:21:32,400 --> 05:21:39,360
all build these houses way under 300 and

8085
05:21:35,760 --> 05:21:43,840
way under 350 stick built threebedroom

8086
05:21:39,360 --> 05:21:46,240
two bath. Some will be a,000 square feet

8087
05:21:43,840 --> 05:21:49,040
some will be 1,200 some could be as much

8088
05:21:46,240 --> 05:21:52,638
as 1,400 side by side.

8089
05:21:49,040 --> 05:21:54,638
all things that people that are older

8090
05:21:52,638 --> 05:21:56,240
may want to buy and move down. So, it

8091
05:21:54,638 --> 05:21:58,958
frees the upper part of the market to

8092
05:21:56,240 --> 05:22:02,638
for people to buy. Also, for young c

8093
05:21:58,958 --> 05:22:04,878
couples that are in the lower 100,000,

8094
05:22:02,638 --> 05:22:07,760
I've been using the number 50 to 70,000

8095
05:22:04,878 --> 05:22:09,840
to buy in. And one of the big stories

8096
05:22:07,760 --> 05:22:12,160
that keeps me wanting to do this, I met

8097
05:22:09,840 --> 05:22:15,680
a guy who's a banker

8098
05:22:12,160 --> 05:22:17,680
at a farmers market.

8099
05:22:15,680 --> 05:22:19,360
I asked him how he liked living here. He

8100
05:22:17,680 --> 05:22:20,718
says he loves it, but he can't afford a

8101
05:22:19,360 --> 05:22:24,560
house. This is somebody who's got a

8102
05:22:20,718 --> 05:22:26,160
great job at a nice bank, one child, his

8103
05:22:24,560 --> 05:22:29,840
wife, they were all at the booth at the

8104
05:22:26,160 --> 05:22:32,798
farmers market, and he can't qualify for

8105
05:22:29,840 --> 05:22:35,600
any starting house in Federal Way.

8106
05:22:32,798 --> 05:22:38,798
Because a starting house to buy is 5 to

8107
05:22:35,600 --> 05:22:41,600
560. There's one I know of for 440 that

8108
05:22:38,798 --> 05:22:44,160
nobody here would even want to go into.

8109
05:22:41,600 --> 05:22:47,360
So, we have a crisis. We're not going to

8110
05:22:44,160 --> 05:22:49,040
have a crisis for rentals. We got stuff

8111
05:22:47,360 --> 05:22:52,160
going on all over the place, but we have

8112
05:22:49,040 --> 05:22:54,080
a crisis to keep the young couples and

8113
05:22:52,160 --> 05:22:56,878
the old people in our city to stay here

8114
05:22:54,080 --> 05:22:58,320
and live, buy and trade. And that's why

8115
05:22:56,878 --> 05:23:00,638
I've been taking this as kind of a

8116
05:22:58,320 --> 05:23:03,760
citizen to do and working with peace. So

8117
05:23:00,638 --> 05:23:06,480
that's my presentation on the facts. And

8118
05:23:03,760 --> 05:23:08,718
I just would ask that land use committee

8119
05:23:06,480 --> 05:23:12,480
and the council whole think about

8120
05:23:08,718 --> 05:23:14,638
traffic mitigation and permitting so

8121
05:23:12,480 --> 05:23:16,240
that we can get some of these going. And

8122
05:23:14,638 --> 05:23:18,240
they're and these things are not asking

8123
05:23:16,240 --> 05:23:21,040
for the council to put money up for

8124
05:23:18,240 --> 05:23:25,120
land. I have investors and and the

8125
05:23:21,040 --> 05:23:27,360
churches that are willing to

8126
05:23:25,120 --> 05:23:29,200
work together to get it to happen so

8127
05:23:27,360 --> 05:23:32,160
they get their money through the

8128
05:23:29,200 --> 05:23:37,840
process, not all upfront. So anyway,

8129
05:23:32,160 --> 05:23:39,520
that's my uh two cents. Okay, Jack.

8130
05:23:37,840 --> 05:23:41,200
» Yeah, I'm I'm excited about this

8131
05:23:39,520 --> 05:23:42,878
process. I've been had the opportunity

8132
05:23:41,200 --> 05:23:45,680
to be working with Jack and Keith on

8133
05:23:42,878 --> 05:23:48,560
this um the last while and I I thank

8134
05:23:45,680 --> 05:23:51,840
Jack for for being the the brainchild uh

8135
05:23:48,560 --> 05:23:53,920
behind this. Uh just in in my own

8136
05:23:51,840 --> 05:23:56,400
situation, you know, I I have a a

8137
05:23:53,920 --> 05:23:58,160
daughter that she and her husband, you

8138
05:23:56,400 --> 05:24:00,320
know, all my kids were were raised here

8139
05:23:58,160 --> 05:24:01,840
in Federal Way. My youngest daughter,

8140
05:24:00,320 --> 05:24:03,920
she and her husband had to buy a house

8141
05:24:01,840 --> 05:24:05,920
clear out in Port Orchard because that

8142
05:24:03,920 --> 05:24:08,718
was as close as what they could afford

8143
05:24:05,920 --> 05:24:11,040
one. Uh another daughter, she and her

8144
05:24:08,718 --> 05:24:13,200
husband bought a 100y old house in

8145
05:24:11,040 --> 05:24:14,718
downtown Pew Allen because that's all

8146
05:24:13,200 --> 05:24:16,798
that they could afford and now they're

8147
05:24:14,718 --> 05:24:18,878
they're renovating it. I would rather

8148
05:24:16,798 --> 05:24:20,160
much rather you know from entirely

8149
05:24:18,878 --> 05:24:22,240
selfish reason I'd rather have my

8150
05:24:20,160 --> 05:24:25,280
grandchildren here closer and I think

8151
05:24:22,240 --> 05:24:28,878
that a lot of us here uh would like that

8152
05:24:25,280 --> 05:24:31,760
also and uh with with with my own home

8153
05:24:28,878 --> 05:24:35,920
right now I could not afford to buy it

8154
05:24:31,760 --> 05:24:37,600
new. I've been in it for 39 years and uh

8155
05:24:35,920 --> 05:24:41,600
and it's unaffordable. We need to make

8156
05:24:37,600 --> 05:24:43,840
it so that young couples and and older

8157
05:24:41,600 --> 05:24:47,200
folks that are want to downsize can

8158
05:24:43,840 --> 05:24:49,440
actually build or come and stay and live

8159
05:24:47,200 --> 05:24:53,360
here in Federal Way in their own homes.

8160
05:24:49,440 --> 05:24:56,080
Uh my own family history is it is real

8161
05:24:53,360 --> 05:24:57,680
estate that builds wealth. It's real

8162
05:24:56,080 --> 05:25:01,040
estate that makes it so that you can

8163
05:24:57,680 --> 05:25:03,280
eventually retire and and we want and

8164
05:25:01,040 --> 05:25:06,160
that the great American dream is is home

8165
05:25:03,280 --> 05:25:09,360
ownership. And we need to help that. As

8166
05:25:06,160 --> 05:25:12,080
as Jack said, we have a a lot of rentals

8167
05:25:09,360 --> 05:25:14,000
in in the community. Uh and and there's

8168
05:25:12,080 --> 05:25:15,760
certainly a place for that. Absolutely a

8169
05:25:14,000 --> 05:25:17,840
place for that. But we want as many

8170
05:25:15,760 --> 05:25:19,520
people as possible to be able to own

8171
05:25:17,840 --> 05:25:21,600
their home and have something that can

8172
05:25:19,520 --> 05:25:24,638
do it. And as I see it, that the city

8173
05:25:21,600 --> 05:25:26,958
can be a catalyst, a facilitator to do

8174
05:25:24,638 --> 05:25:31,040
that. So, not having to put in a lot of

8175
05:25:26,958 --> 05:25:34,000
of city money, but being willing to to

8176
05:25:31,040 --> 05:25:37,680
um uh

8177
05:25:34,000 --> 05:25:42,240
you know, make special uh situations as

8178
05:25:37,680 --> 05:25:46,000
far as as as fees go for that

8179
05:25:42,240 --> 05:25:48,320
uh affordable home ownership. And so,

8180
05:25:46,000 --> 05:25:51,200
anyway, I'm I'm I'm excited about this

8181
05:25:48,320 --> 05:25:53,760
and and uh you know, I think we have a

8182
05:25:51,200 --> 05:25:56,240
tremendous amount to gain. you know,

8183
05:25:53,760 --> 05:25:57,520
whether this whole concept I I'm I'm not

8184
05:25:56,240 --> 05:26:00,000
absolutely confident. I think it's going

8185
05:25:57,520 --> 05:26:02,718
to work. Not absolutely confident, but

8186
05:26:00,000 --> 05:26:04,638
we have a whole lot to gain and really

8187
05:26:02,718 --> 05:26:06,160
nothing to lose.

8188
05:26:04,638 --> 05:26:09,680
» All right, London.

8189
05:26:06,160 --> 05:26:13,120
» Well, um I have a three things to say.

8190
05:26:09,680 --> 05:26:14,718
First of um your 300, 350, does that

8191
05:26:13,120 --> 05:26:16,878
include the property value?

8192
05:26:14,718 --> 05:26:17,760
» Uh the the building and the property,

8193
05:26:16,878 --> 05:26:20,160
the land.

8194
05:26:17,760 --> 05:26:20,798
» Okay. Yeah, this is all in

8195
05:26:20,160 --> 05:26:23,360
» All in

8196
05:26:20,798 --> 05:26:24,958
» With the turnkey house. And and a house

8197
05:26:23,360 --> 05:26:26,000
to build like this, just to put in

8198
05:26:24,958 --> 05:26:29,680
perspective,

8199
05:26:26,000 --> 05:26:31,360
» Is 120 to 160 days from a day a permit

8200
05:26:29,680 --> 05:26:33,360
is issued.

8201
05:26:31,360 --> 05:26:34,718
» And you know, several builders that will

8202
05:26:33,360 --> 05:26:36,160
do this stick build.

8203
05:26:34,718 --> 05:26:38,798
» Well, nobody's signed on the line

8204
05:26:36,160 --> 05:26:41,520
because there's nothing to sign yet. But

8205
05:26:38,798 --> 05:26:44,638
I have two companies that are very like

8206
05:26:41,520 --> 05:26:47,040
when can we start? Um, and this is all

8207
05:26:44,638 --> 05:26:49,520
companies that build that have track

8208
05:26:47,040 --> 05:26:51,680
records that are more fill in. It's not

8209
05:26:49,520 --> 05:26:53,520
a these pieces of property aren't big

8210
05:26:51,680 --> 05:26:56,400
enough for a big builder to come in and

8211
05:26:53,520 --> 05:26:59,040
mobilize and be able to make it work.

8212
05:26:56,400 --> 05:27:00,878
» So, if everybody agrees to consensus is

8213
05:26:59,040 --> 05:27:03,520
to move forward, what would be the next

8214
05:27:00,878 --> 05:27:05,760
step? That'd be a key. Well, my next

8215
05:27:03,520 --> 05:27:07,520
step, I'm just a citizen, but I would

8216
05:27:05,760 --> 05:27:10,000
continue doing what I'm doing and I try

8217
05:27:07,520 --> 05:27:13,040
to bring all the dots together so the

8218
05:27:10,000 --> 05:27:15,200
builders and the property owners are all

8219
05:27:13,040 --> 05:27:17,680
put together and there's some legal

8220
05:27:15,200 --> 05:27:21,120
contracts to move ahead and come into

8221
05:27:17,680 --> 05:27:23,680
the city and say, "Okay,

8222
05:27:21,120 --> 05:27:25,280
uh what can the city do on permitting

8223
05:27:23,680 --> 05:27:27,520
and things like that?" I mean, this to

8224
05:27:25,280 --> 05:27:29,280
me is the kind of the check off day. If

8225
05:27:27,520 --> 05:27:31,280
you all go away and say, "No, we're not

8226
05:27:29,280 --> 05:27:34,240
going to do it." I don't want to waste

8227
05:27:31,280 --> 05:27:36,000
my time um to be honest with you.

8228
05:27:34,240 --> 05:27:38,080
» My question is that with the permitting

8229
05:27:36,000 --> 05:27:41,200
fees and so is that something we have to

8230
05:27:38,080 --> 05:27:43,440
change in a in a do we just direct that

8231
05:27:41,200 --> 05:27:46,240
to be done as comp.

8232
05:27:43,440 --> 05:27:48,240
» Good luck Keith. So since we chose to do

8233
05:27:46,240 --> 05:27:50,400
this via development agreement for

8234
05:27:48,240 --> 05:27:53,200
Wayside and Wayside's the canary in the

8235
05:27:50,400 --> 05:27:55,360
coal mine right they're first. So, um,

8236
05:27:53,200 --> 05:27:58,878
right now, uh, my understanding is this

8237
05:27:55,360 --> 05:28:02,160
Sunday, um, they are going to vote as a

8238
05:27:58,878 --> 05:28:04,320
congregation on which portion of their

8239
05:28:02,160 --> 05:28:06,400
property they'd be willing to sell. So,

8240
05:28:04,320 --> 05:28:09,920
that's moving forward. Once that

8241
05:28:06,400 --> 05:28:14,080
happens, then we get the builder and the

8242
05:28:09,920 --> 05:28:16,878
church and us in a room and uh we talk

8243
05:28:14,080 --> 05:28:20,160
about uh a development agreement and

8244
05:28:16,878 --> 05:28:23,520
what that includes which could include

8245
05:28:20,160 --> 05:28:25,760
uh the provision for either reduced or

8246
05:28:23,520 --> 05:28:27,280
or waved permitting fees or something

8247
05:28:25,760 --> 05:28:28,480
like that. So it would be in the

8248
05:28:27,280 --> 05:28:29,680
development agreement which would then

8249
05:28:28,480 --> 05:28:31,520
come to council. Okay?

8250
05:28:29,680 --> 05:28:33,200
» And you guys would get a chance to weigh

8251
05:28:31,520 --> 05:28:34,558
in on whether you support that or not.

8252
05:28:33,200 --> 05:28:36,958
So we don't have to do a separate

8253
05:28:34,558 --> 05:28:38,080
action. It would be embedded in the DA.

8254
05:28:36,958 --> 05:28:39,520
» So now I'm going to tell you a little

8255
05:28:38,080 --> 05:28:43,040
quick story.

8256
05:28:39,520 --> 05:28:46,480
» My son, newly married as a church mouse,

8257
05:28:43,040 --> 05:28:50,160
going to live here, uh found a repo

8258
05:28:46,480 --> 05:28:53,520
house on the park. And um the house the

8259
05:28:50,160 --> 05:28:56,798
repo possessed he he's a consultant, so

8260
05:28:53,520 --> 05:29:00,400
he knew how to bid. And so the house was

8261
05:28:56,798 --> 05:29:02,080
um the the bid minimum bid price was

8262
05:29:00,400 --> 05:29:05,200
125,000.

8263
05:29:02,080 --> 05:29:07,920
So that all had to be written uh bids.

8264
05:29:05,200 --> 05:29:10,718
So he submitted his written bid and he

8265
05:29:07,920 --> 05:29:14,080
got it. And the way he got it was

8266
05:29:10,718 --> 05:29:18,400
125,000 and one penny. And the cash

8267
05:29:14,080 --> 05:29:22,320
offer which was 125,000 was very angry

8268
05:29:18,400 --> 05:29:26,160
but 30 years ago 125,000 and one penny

8269
05:29:22,320 --> 05:29:30,040
for a house that is now worth 650.

8270
05:29:26,160 --> 05:29:30,040
» Great. Thank you Lydia.

8271
05:29:31,760 --> 05:29:35,200
Thank you. Thanks for the presentation

8272
05:29:33,360 --> 05:29:37,520
and thank you for continuing to work on

8273
05:29:35,200 --> 05:29:39,520
this. Um I know this is very important

8274
05:29:37,520 --> 05:29:42,958
in our community. I work for the housing

8275
05:29:39,520 --> 05:29:44,558
authority. So some something I'm very um

8276
05:29:42,958 --> 05:29:46,320
I believe in and I think it's very

8277
05:29:44,558 --> 05:29:48,638
important because the focus like you

8278
05:29:46,320 --> 05:29:51,280
said is on rental affordable rental and

8279
05:29:48,638 --> 05:29:53,280
not home ownership. Um except for

8280
05:29:51,280 --> 05:29:55,040
Habitat. Um, and I was going to ask you

8281
05:29:53,280 --> 05:29:58,558
about them and see if you've even talked

8282
05:29:55,040 --> 05:30:01,680
to them and see um if there's a room for

8283
05:29:58,558 --> 05:30:03,680
partnership with them. Um,

8284
05:30:01,680 --> 05:30:06,798
» I will I will answer that real quick.

8285
05:30:03,680 --> 05:30:08,718
Um, they could be part of the process.

8286
05:30:06,798 --> 05:30:11,600
Excuse me. They could be part of the

8287
05:30:08,718 --> 05:30:13,280
process, but it's all timing. Their

8288
05:30:11,600 --> 05:30:16,798
plate is pretty full on everything

8289
05:30:13,280 --> 05:30:20,400
they're trying to do. So building

8290
05:30:16,798 --> 05:30:23,280
affordable housing is all about time and

8291
05:30:20,400 --> 05:30:25,600
money and you might save a little bit on

8292
05:30:23,280 --> 05:30:27,600
a nonprofit but you may not get it out

8293
05:30:25,600 --> 05:30:30,558
the door in a year.

8294
05:30:27,600 --> 05:30:34,558
» So I'm it they could be part of the mix.

8295
05:30:30,558 --> 05:30:36,480
» Okay. Thank you. And um I do understand

8296
05:30:34,558 --> 05:30:38,320
the importance of home ownership because

8297
05:30:36,480 --> 05:30:40,878
again even the housing authority I work

8298
05:30:38,320 --> 05:30:42,638
for is doing a home ownership program.

8299
05:30:40,878 --> 05:30:44,400
And so I I think you and I talked a

8300
05:30:42,638 --> 05:30:47,120
little bit about this to see how that

8301
05:30:44,400 --> 05:30:49,920
partnership could happen where they have

8302
05:30:47,120 --> 05:30:52,718
already ready people who can move in um

8303
05:30:49,920 --> 05:30:55,200
from from rental because a lot of the

8304
05:30:52,718 --> 05:30:58,080
people I talked to at my job. I mean

8305
05:30:55,200 --> 05:31:02,400
that's their wildest dream is like if I

8306
05:30:58,080 --> 05:31:04,718
could ever own my own home and and it's

8307
05:31:02,400 --> 05:31:06,080
I bought my house eight years ago and I

8308
05:31:04,718 --> 05:31:08,558
know what they mean and my house is

8309
05:31:06,080 --> 05:31:11,920
already I like you said I wouldn't be

8310
05:31:08,558 --> 05:31:13,920
able to afford it today. Right. And so,

8311
05:31:11,920 --> 05:31:16,240
um, with that and not worrying about

8312
05:31:13,920 --> 05:31:18,240
your rent increasing and not having, um,

8313
05:31:16,240 --> 05:31:19,760
the funds to come up with that

8314
05:31:18,240 --> 05:31:21,280
difference and a lot of people lose

8315
05:31:19,760 --> 05:31:25,440
their housing because their rent goes

8316
05:31:21,280 --> 05:31:28,718
up. And so, I really appreciate, um,

8317
05:31:25,440 --> 05:31:30,000
what we're doing here. Um, I do have a

8318
05:31:28,718 --> 05:31:33,040
question for you, Keith, but before

8319
05:31:30,000 --> 05:31:34,638
that, um, I also like this idea because

8320
05:31:33,040 --> 05:31:37,200
I don't know if there's any other cities

8321
05:31:34,638 --> 05:31:39,840
doing this right now. So, we're ahead of

8322
05:31:37,200 --> 05:31:41,680
the game here and I I really appreciate

8323
05:31:39,840 --> 05:31:45,040
it and I appreciate the churches who are

8324
05:31:41,680 --> 05:31:47,680
willing to um part uh participate and

8325
05:31:45,040 --> 05:31:52,360
partner. Um

8326
05:31:47,680 --> 05:31:52,360
so, if we do the waiver

8327
05:31:52,718 --> 05:31:57,760
would this be something we need to

8328
05:31:54,798 --> 05:32:00,958
standardize for other partnerships like

8329
05:31:57,760 --> 05:32:03,280
this for affordable home ownership?

8330
05:32:00,958 --> 05:32:05,520
Um so

8331
05:32:03,280 --> 05:32:08,958
you guys um amended the development

8332
05:32:05,520 --> 05:32:11,120
agreement code recently and apologies

8333
05:32:08,958 --> 05:32:13,840
for not remembering how recent recently

8334
05:32:11,120 --> 05:32:16,160
is but um one of the one of the things

8335
05:32:13,840 --> 05:32:18,080
the the amendment included affordable

8336
05:32:16,160 --> 05:32:20,240
housing under the public benefit

8337
05:32:18,080 --> 05:32:22,080
section. So it's now clear that that's

8338
05:32:20,240 --> 05:32:25,200
one of the public benefits that we would

8339
05:32:22,080 --> 05:32:29,120
see in a development agreement. Um, I

8340
05:32:25,200 --> 05:32:32,718
don't think in in terms of I

8341
05:32:29,120 --> 05:32:35,760
if if this lives in a development

8342
05:32:32,718 --> 05:32:38,558
agreement, um, I think it's it can be

8343
05:32:35,760 --> 05:32:41,760
looked at as a one-off. I think though

8344
05:32:38,558 --> 05:32:43,600
if you guys support it in a development

8345
05:32:41,760 --> 05:32:45,840
agreement and we did another development

8346
05:32:43,600 --> 05:32:48,320
agreement, I think as staff we would

8347
05:32:45,840 --> 05:32:50,718
say, well, the council supported once,

8348
05:32:48,320 --> 05:32:53,440
they might support it again, so it might

8349
05:32:50,718 --> 05:32:56,558
pre-populate that way. But would this

8350
05:32:53,440 --> 05:33:00,240
need to happen outside only if you guys

8351
05:32:56,558 --> 05:33:03,760
passed um you would need to pass either

8352
05:33:00,240 --> 05:33:05,600
I would say ordinance um that would wave

8353
05:33:03,760 --> 05:33:07,680
or reduce impact fees for affordable

8354
05:33:05,600 --> 05:33:09,360
housing citywide. So you'd have to do

8355
05:33:07,680 --> 05:33:11,440
that via a separate instrument if you

8356
05:33:09,360 --> 05:33:12,080
wanted it to apply everywhere for

8357
05:33:11,440 --> 05:33:13,600
affordable.

8358
05:33:12,080 --> 05:33:15,360
» I would definitely support that if it's

8359
05:33:13,600 --> 05:33:17,040
for affordable housing. So making the

8360
05:33:15,360 --> 05:33:20,080
distinction

8361
05:33:17,040 --> 05:33:24,160
um would be great. So,

8362
05:33:20,080 --> 05:33:25,760
um I think oh and then um adding a

8363
05:33:24,160 --> 05:33:28,000
component to the home ownership part

8364
05:33:25,760 --> 05:33:30,240
would be the financial literacy at some

8365
05:33:28,000 --> 05:33:32,080
um making sure that not just buying it

8366
05:33:30,240 --> 05:33:34,400
but maintaining and making sure that you

8367
05:33:32,080 --> 05:33:36,240
could stay there is very critical uh for

8368
05:33:34,400 --> 05:33:37,280
the success especially for a lot of

8369
05:33:36,240 --> 05:33:40,160
people who are going to be first-time

8370
05:33:37,280 --> 05:33:42,798
home buyers. Um it's exciting to already

8371
05:33:40,160 --> 05:33:45,040
buy the house but then not keeping it

8372
05:33:42,798 --> 05:33:48,080
would be very challenging. So, making

8373
05:33:45,040 --> 05:33:50,718
sure that that's part of the

8374
05:33:48,080 --> 05:33:52,240
um

8375
05:33:50,718 --> 05:33:54,080
agreement maybe, I don't know, but

8376
05:33:52,240 --> 05:33:55,760
making that part of it would be

8377
05:33:54,080 --> 05:33:59,120
incredible. Thank you.

8378
05:33:55,760 --> 05:34:00,798
» And if I could just comment on that, um

8379
05:33:59,120 --> 05:34:02,638
this would be a program. This is the

8380
05:34:00,798 --> 05:34:07,200
type of program that's open to all

8381
05:34:02,638 --> 05:34:09,040
anyone that can buy a house. It's so

8382
05:34:07,200 --> 05:34:11,040
we'll have more, this city will have

8383
05:34:09,040 --> 05:34:13,680
more people wanting to own a house, I

8384
05:34:11,040 --> 05:34:15,600
think, than renting hopefully. And just

8385
05:34:13,680 --> 05:34:17,120
so you know, there's I think I heard 35

8386
05:34:15,600 --> 05:34:19,120
people have signed up for the financial

8387
05:34:17,120 --> 05:34:22,958
literacy classes starts this coming

8388
05:34:19,120 --> 05:34:26,840
Thursday for Bill. So we could you could

8389
05:34:22,958 --> 05:34:26,840
make that part of the program.

8390
05:34:28,240 --> 05:34:34,000
Okay. So we've got uh Melissa, then

8391
05:34:30,798 --> 05:34:37,600
Martin, then Susan, then Les, uh and

8392
05:34:34,000 --> 05:34:39,360
then Linda. So Melissa,

8393
05:34:37,600 --> 05:34:41,600
» Well actually a lot of my questions were

8394
05:34:39,360 --> 05:34:45,040
answered. So thank you for asking them

8395
05:34:41,600 --> 05:34:47,520
uh everyone before me. But um I I will

8396
05:34:45,040 --> 05:34:50,080
just uh mention that you know some

8397
05:34:47,520 --> 05:34:53,520
people might be asking why are we

8398
05:34:50,080 --> 05:34:55,280
building uh single family starter homes

8399
05:34:53,520 --> 05:34:57,600
when you know we have an affordability

8400
05:34:55,280 --> 05:34:59,440
crisis. I think it's important to

8401
05:34:57,600 --> 05:35:01,120
understand that the reason why is

8402
05:34:59,440 --> 05:35:03,520
because we do need that variety of

8403
05:35:01,120 --> 05:35:05,760
housing like I mentioned before because

8404
05:35:03,520 --> 05:35:09,840
what that's going to do is it's going to

8405
05:35:05,760 --> 05:35:12,240
move people out of the rentals and get

8406
05:35:09,840 --> 05:35:13,970
them, you know, free up those rentals

8407
05:35:12,240 --> 05:35:15,440
for other people. Right now,

8408
05:35:13,970 --> 05:35:16,878
[clears throat] the housing, everybody's

8409
05:35:15,440 --> 05:35:19,920
just kind of bottlenecked and staying

8410
05:35:16,878 --> 05:35:21,520
put and it's driving costs up. So,

8411
05:35:19,920 --> 05:35:25,680
that's just one of the reasons why we

8412
05:35:21,520 --> 05:35:27,360
need a variety of homes. Um, also I

8413
05:35:25,680 --> 05:35:29,760
think you know I did not realize we had

8414
05:35:27,360 --> 05:35:31,360
so many churches with so much land

8415
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:33,280
available.

8416
05:35:31,360 --> 05:35:36,000
I think a lot of them would be willing

8417
05:35:33,280 --> 05:35:37,360
to you know offload some of that land

8418
05:35:36,000 --> 05:35:40,638
especially if they know that it's going

8419
05:35:37,360 --> 05:35:42,798
to help with uh you know the housing

8420
05:35:40,638 --> 05:35:46,320
issue in federal. So I would say cast

8421
05:35:42,798 --> 05:35:48,400
that vision and and let's make deals. Um

8422
05:35:46,320 --> 05:35:51,360
also I have my own little personal story

8423
05:35:48,400 --> 05:35:52,718
with developing housing. So I my husband

8424
05:35:51,360 --> 05:35:54,400
and I were looking at a property in

8425
05:35:52,718 --> 05:35:56,400
Milton and it was just a single family

8426
05:35:54,400 --> 05:35:58,480
property. We wanted to build a speck

8427
05:35:56,400 --> 05:36:01,040
house. We went to the city figure out

8428
05:35:58,480 --> 05:36:02,958
what all the, you know, permit fees and

8429
05:36:01,040 --> 05:36:04,480
due diligence and all that. And the city

8430
05:36:02,958 --> 05:36:07,920
came back and told us, "Well, you need

8431
05:36:04,480 --> 05:36:09,920
to pay $75,000 for a sidewalk." And we

8432
05:36:07,920 --> 05:36:12,000
said, "For one house?" And they said,

8433
05:36:09,920 --> 05:36:13,360
"Yeah." Oh, and it's not going to fit on

8434
05:36:12,000 --> 05:36:16,160
this road, so you're really just putting

8435
05:36:13,360 --> 05:36:17,600
that 75,000 into a a pot so we can build

8436
05:36:16,160 --> 05:36:19,840
a sidewalk somewhere else that we need

8437
05:36:17,600 --> 05:36:22,400
in the city.

8438
05:36:19,840 --> 05:36:24,798
So the bottom I mean my point is the

8439
05:36:22,400 --> 05:36:27,200
project didn't pencil at that point

8440
05:36:24,798 --> 05:36:28,958
because it was just money going out that

8441
05:36:27,200 --> 05:36:31,360
we weren't getting anything in return

8442
05:36:28,958 --> 05:36:33,040
for. So I do think we need to do

8443
05:36:31,360 --> 05:36:35,200
everything we can as a city to make sure

8444
05:36:33,040 --> 05:36:36,558
we're not in a situation like that where

8445
05:36:35,200 --> 05:36:38,718
builders aren't going to be making a

8446
05:36:36,558 --> 05:36:40,000
profit because builders are not building

8447
05:36:38,718 --> 05:36:42,400
out of the goodness of their heart. They

8448
05:36:40,000 --> 05:36:45,120
are building to make a profit and in

8449
05:36:42,400 --> 05:36:47,440
turn you know the outcome is people get

8450
05:36:45,120 --> 05:36:50,638
housing. That's all.

8451
05:36:47,440 --> 05:36:52,958
» Mark. Uh, thank you, Mayor. Um, Jack,

8452
05:36:50,638 --> 05:36:54,400
thank you for your efforts on this. Um,

8453
05:36:52,958 --> 05:36:55,760
I'm confident that this will continue to

8454
05:36:54,400 --> 05:36:57,920
be on the land use and transportation

8455
05:36:55,760 --> 05:37:00,080
committee. Uh, so I know that Jack will

8456
05:36:57,920 --> 05:37:02,878
be interested in that, I suspect. Uh,

8457
05:37:00,080 --> 05:37:07,680
okay. He's nodding his head. Yes. Uh,

8458
05:37:02,878 --> 05:37:11,520
so, um, um,

8459
05:37:07,680 --> 05:37:12,958
so, um, Oh, I can't read my notes. Uh,

8460
05:37:11,520 --> 05:37:16,638
so you talked about you have some

8461
05:37:12,958 --> 05:37:19,280
builders that are interested. Um, who

8462
05:37:16,638 --> 05:37:21,280
are they? Well,

8463
05:37:19,280 --> 05:37:22,798
they're well-known builders. I'm not

8464
05:37:21,280 --> 05:37:25,200
going to disclose their names because

8465
05:37:22,798 --> 05:37:26,400
I'm not going to get out of front of the

8466
05:37:25,200 --> 05:37:28,400
sled.

8467
05:37:26,400 --> 05:37:30,878
» I mean, it does nobody any good to say

8468
05:37:28,400 --> 05:37:33,520
builder X and builder Y are willing to

8469
05:37:30,878 --> 05:37:35,600
do this if we don't have a program, but

8470
05:37:33,520 --> 05:37:40,400
they're reputable builders once built

8471
05:37:35,600 --> 05:37:42,958
over 6,000 homes. Um, and you know, I've

8472
05:37:40,400 --> 05:37:45,040
talked to a lot of them, so I really

8473
05:37:42,958 --> 05:37:46,400
don't feel comfortable in saying who,

8474
05:37:45,040 --> 05:37:47,360
» But know that they're reputable

8475
05:37:46,400 --> 05:37:51,280
companies.

8476
05:37:47,360 --> 05:37:53,920
» Got it. Um, and so, um, um, I think for

8477
05:37:51,280 --> 05:37:55,680
me, um, and Keith, you talked, you

8478
05:37:53,920 --> 05:37:58,480
briefly kind of went over the process,

8479
05:37:55,680 --> 05:38:00,958
what that could look like. Um, and I

8480
05:37:58,480 --> 05:38:02,718
think in the, uh,

8481
05:38:00,958 --> 05:38:05,200
I'm hoping to see something in the

8482
05:38:02,718 --> 05:38:06,718
development agreements. Uh, but let me

8483
05:38:05,200 --> 05:38:08,878
just pause for a second. This is an

8484
05:38:06,718 --> 05:38:10,160
exciting project. Obviously what

8485
05:38:08,878 --> 05:38:11,920
» An exciting project.

8486
05:38:10,160 --> 05:38:12,480
» I think it's very exciting for our

8487
05:38:11,920 --> 05:38:14,798
community.

8488
05:38:12,480 --> 05:38:16,798
» Good. Absolutely. And we want people to

8489
05:38:14,798 --> 05:38:18,878
be able to afford homes. I mean that's

8490
05:38:16,798 --> 05:38:22,480
uh that's you're on a path towards

8491
05:38:18,878 --> 05:38:26,798
prosperity quite frank quite frankly. Uh

8492
05:38:22,480 --> 05:38:29,280
and so um that being said, it's a really

8493
05:38:26,798 --> 05:38:31,600
innovative tool that we're doing you uh

8494
05:38:29,280 --> 05:38:33,840
innovative project. Uh thinking out to

8495
05:38:31,600 --> 05:38:36,558
the box is what I like about this. Uh,

8496
05:38:33,840 --> 05:38:38,558
and I I would urge you, Jack, to think

8497
05:38:36,558 --> 05:38:40,798
of what other partnerships can we create

8498
05:38:38,558 --> 05:38:42,878
in thinking outside the box. And so that

8499
05:38:40,798 --> 05:38:44,798
means I mean Fedway High School, we have

8500
05:38:42,878 --> 05:38:47,440
apprentices there. You know, as I've

8501
05:38:44,798 --> 05:38:49,520
told Jack Walsh, uh, we're only using

8502
05:38:47,440 --> 05:38:51,200
first names, so my apologies, but uh,

8503
05:38:49,520 --> 05:38:53,920
you know, as I've indicate, as I've

8504
05:38:51,200 --> 05:38:56,480
talked to Jack Walsh about this, um, I

8505
05:38:53,920 --> 05:38:58,718
really would like to see um, apprentices

8506
05:38:56,480 --> 05:39:00,320
on this um, some sort of partnership

8507
05:38:58,718 --> 05:39:02,080
with labor uh, in this.

8508
05:39:00,320 --> 05:39:04,798
» I have talked to labor already.

8509
05:39:02,080 --> 05:39:04,798
» Okay.

8510
05:39:05,120 --> 05:39:10,638
So, I'd like to know more about that,

8511
05:39:07,280 --> 05:39:12,480
but it sounds like u

8512
05:39:10,638 --> 05:39:15,440
excuse me, Martin, I've tried to check

8513
05:39:12,480 --> 05:39:18,878
off every box that could come from

8514
05:39:15,440 --> 05:39:20,958
anybody, uh, labor, builders, the

8515
05:39:18,878 --> 05:39:22,320
engineers, everybody that you need to go

8516
05:39:20,958 --> 05:39:25,040
through a process if you're going to

8517
05:39:22,320 --> 05:39:27,920
develop land. And many of them have come

8518
05:39:25,040 --> 05:39:30,240
back and said they like this process.

8519
05:39:27,920 --> 05:39:33,680
Some are doing it for free, some are

8520
05:39:30,240 --> 05:39:35,440
doing it for discount. Um, so, you know,

8521
05:39:33,680 --> 05:39:37,280
sorry for interrupting you, but

8522
05:39:35,440 --> 05:39:40,160
» I have already talked to one of the

8523
05:39:37,280 --> 05:39:42,320
largest labor unions um to see if

8524
05:39:40,160 --> 05:39:44,638
they'll buy in. We've been talking back

8525
05:39:42,320 --> 05:39:46,320
and forth a couple times. Don't have any

8526
05:39:44,638 --> 05:39:47,120
commitments, but they're very

8527
05:39:46,320 --> 05:39:49,120
interested.

8528
05:39:47,120 --> 05:39:51,280
» Great. Uh, and that's an important box

8529
05:39:49,120 --> 05:39:52,718
for me. So, uh, thank you for that and

8530
05:39:51,280 --> 05:39:55,440
and, uh, thank you for acknowledging

8531
05:39:52,718 --> 05:39:58,080
that. So, with that, I will, um, I mean,

8532
05:39:55,440 --> 05:40:01,080
I support it. So, thank you,

8533
05:39:58,080 --> 05:40:01,080
» Les.

8534
05:40:01,280 --> 05:40:05,680
Yeah, my colleagues are asking some

8535
05:40:03,280 --> 05:40:11,040
great questions. I appreciate all of

8536
05:40:05,680 --> 05:40:14,878
them. I don't have uh too many. Um but I

8537
05:40:11,040 --> 05:40:20,000
I am curious about the possibility to

8538
05:40:14,878 --> 05:40:21,120
develop the 600 units as duplexes.

8539
05:40:20,000 --> 05:40:22,080
That would double

8540
05:40:21,120 --> 05:40:23,760
» As what?

8541
05:40:22,080 --> 05:40:25,520
» Duplexes.

8542
05:40:23,760 --> 05:40:28,080
» Yeah. Yeah. If I could answer that.

8543
05:40:25,520 --> 05:40:30,240
Every piece of property on a church or

8544
05:40:28,080 --> 05:40:33,920
that's an infill has a different

8545
05:40:30,240 --> 05:40:36,718
perspective of size and how much can go

8546
05:40:33,920 --> 05:40:38,400
there and what density might make worth.

8547
05:40:36,718 --> 05:40:42,320
One piece that I've been talking to a

8548
05:40:38,400 --> 05:40:45,360
group about right now is potentially two

8549
05:40:42,320 --> 05:40:47,520
duplexes and

8550
05:40:45,360 --> 05:40:50,798
three single family because the max they

8551
05:40:47,520 --> 05:40:53,440
can get on there is seven.

8552
05:40:50,798 --> 05:40:55,760
Again, it all depends on the density,

8553
05:40:53,440 --> 05:40:58,638
the look of the land, the orientation to

8554
05:40:55,760 --> 05:41:00,240
the road, what the infrastructure is

8555
05:40:58,638 --> 05:41:02,798
going to look like. And I've tried to

8556
05:41:00,240 --> 05:41:05,600
avoid talking to people about where you

8557
05:41:02,798 --> 05:41:07,440
got to cut a lot of roads and do a lot

8558
05:41:05,600 --> 05:41:09,760
of infrastructure like that so we can

8559
05:41:07,440 --> 05:41:12,400
keep the cost down when we start to do

8560
05:41:09,760 --> 05:41:14,160
the first one. And again, all these

8561
05:41:12,400 --> 05:41:17,200
churches that you've heard about and

8562
05:41:14,160 --> 05:41:19,680
infills, unless one's done right first,

8563
05:41:17,200 --> 05:41:21,760
nobody wants to be second. And it's hard

8564
05:41:19,680 --> 05:41:24,080
to find somebody who wants to be first.

8565
05:41:21,760 --> 05:41:26,958
Wayside, which is voting tomorrow at

8566
05:41:24,080 --> 05:41:28,558
their congregation of 34 people to see

8567
05:41:26,958 --> 05:41:31,200
if they want to be in the game

8568
05:41:28,558 --> 05:41:34,798
officially, they got to decide, do we do

8569
05:41:31,200 --> 05:41:36,320
3/4 of an acre, do we do 1.2, do we do

8570
05:41:34,798 --> 05:41:38,480
2.1?

8571
05:41:36,320 --> 05:41:42,080
So, this is a project. You got to get

8572
05:41:38,480 --> 05:41:43,840
the first one to start and then once it

8573
05:41:42,080 --> 05:41:46,240
approves and people actually buy the

8574
05:41:43,840 --> 05:41:48,798
houses, which at 300 to 350 I don't

8575
05:41:46,240 --> 05:41:51,200
believe is going to be a problem. Um,

8576
05:41:48,798 --> 05:41:54,320
then you can start to get how you do the

8577
05:41:51,200 --> 05:41:57,840
600. Um, like the first one I ever

8578
05:41:54,320 --> 05:41:59,120
thought about on doing this sold out

8579
05:41:57,840 --> 05:42:00,638
long time ago and they're going to I

8580
05:41:59,120 --> 05:42:02,798
think they're going to get 23 houses on

8581
05:42:00,638 --> 05:42:07,920
it where they could have done what was

8582
05:42:02,798 --> 05:42:09,680
it 82. So, it's all about um get the

8583
05:42:07,920 --> 05:42:10,080
first one done first.

8584
05:42:09,680 --> 05:42:12,240
» Okay.

8585
05:42:10,080 --> 05:42:13,920
» But duplexes are a great idea. Might be

8586
05:42:12,240 --> 05:42:16,558
forplexes on some of them the way that

8587
05:42:13,920 --> 05:42:20,878
the zoning is in our city. I think

8588
05:42:16,558 --> 05:42:23,440
that's great. Uh and then um

8589
05:42:20,878 --> 05:42:26,798
would it be safe to assume that each

8590
05:42:23,440 --> 05:42:28,798
transaction is unique? And

8591
05:42:26,798 --> 05:42:33,680
» Yeah, there is no cookie cutter on this

8592
05:42:28,798 --> 05:42:36,558
because every lot is is it 7500? Is it

8593
05:42:33,680 --> 05:42:39,840
half an acre? Is it three quarters? Is

8594
05:42:36,558 --> 05:42:42,558
it uh two lots that you can cut down to

8595
05:42:39,840 --> 05:42:46,000
five each? Is what how much

8596
05:42:42,558 --> 05:42:48,480
mobilization? Everyone's going to be

8597
05:42:46,000 --> 05:42:50,400
same process

8598
05:42:48,480 --> 05:42:52,878
just a different outcome based on what

8599
05:42:50,400 --> 05:42:56,320
can be done there.

8600
05:42:52,878 --> 05:42:58,958
» Okay. And uh since they are on church

8601
05:42:56,320 --> 05:43:01,280
land or or private land I guess

8602
05:42:58,958 --> 05:43:02,000
» I right now we're focusing on church

8603
05:43:01,280 --> 05:43:02,798
land

8604
05:43:02,000 --> 05:43:04,638
» Church land

8605
05:43:02,798 --> 05:43:06,160
» Which will become the properties will

8606
05:43:04,638 --> 05:43:07,840
come on the tax roles a little

8607
05:43:06,160 --> 05:43:09,840
differently so it brings more revenue to

8608
05:43:07,840 --> 05:43:13,280
the city the fire department the school

8609
05:43:09,840 --> 05:43:16,240
district um there could be I have one

8610
05:43:13,280 --> 05:43:18,718
I'm talking to nothing to report but

8611
05:43:16,240 --> 05:43:21,280
it's private property that has enough

8612
05:43:18,718 --> 05:43:22,958
room to put three on they just don't

8613
05:43:21,280 --> 05:43:25,680
know how to do

8614
05:43:22,958 --> 05:43:29,200
Do you know if there are or if there

8615
05:43:25,680 --> 05:43:30,638
would be any like covenant restrictions?

8616
05:43:29,200 --> 05:43:32,718
Like you got to be a certain

8617
05:43:30,638 --> 05:43:34,240
» Denomination. There's tremendous

8618
05:43:32,718 --> 05:43:36,878
covenant restrictions. You wouldn't go

8619
05:43:34,240 --> 05:43:38,558
to Marine Hills because there's five

8620
05:43:36,878 --> 05:43:40,400
different covenants that would ban you

8621
05:43:38,558 --> 05:43:43,520
from doing anything. You probably run in

8622
05:43:40,400 --> 05:43:45,440
the same thing in Twin Lakes. Um there's

8623
05:43:43,520 --> 05:43:47,520
all sorts of different covenants. The

8624
05:43:45,440 --> 05:43:49,600
Ridge would be another place. So there's

8625
05:43:47,520 --> 05:43:52,000
a lot of places you could not do this

8626
05:43:49,600 --> 05:43:54,320
and you whatever the council does is not

8627
05:43:52,000 --> 05:43:57,840
going to override those covenants, but

8628
05:43:54,320 --> 05:44:00,320
there's enough space and land and sewer

8629
05:43:57,840 --> 05:44:01,920
because that's another key in this city

8630
05:44:00,320 --> 05:44:05,440
to make this happen.

8631
05:44:01,920 --> 05:44:07,200
» And and if I can also add less, I think

8632
05:44:05,440 --> 05:44:10,000
so I I took your question a little

8633
05:44:07,200 --> 05:44:12,080
differently. Um there have been

8634
05:44:10,000 --> 05:44:14,480
conversations with Wayside about

8635
05:44:12,080 --> 05:44:17,040
covenants for that property. So, for

8636
05:44:14,480 --> 05:44:19,680
example, there will be an HOA for the

8637
05:44:17,040 --> 05:44:22,718
residential portion and they will be

8638
05:44:19,680 --> 05:44:25,120
part of the HOA. And so, writing that

8639
05:44:22,718 --> 05:44:27,680
into the development agreement is part

8640
05:44:25,120 --> 05:44:30,080
of some of these questions that we're

8641
05:44:27,680 --> 05:44:32,320
navigating through um as we kind of

8642
05:44:30,080 --> 05:44:35,040
figure this out.

8643
05:44:32,320 --> 05:44:38,440
» Excellent. Thank you.

8644
05:44:35,040 --> 05:44:38,440
» All right, Susan.

8645
05:44:39,520 --> 05:44:45,760
» Thank you. So housing is a huge topic in

8646
05:44:43,040 --> 05:44:48,638
the state and and everywhere you can

8647
05:44:45,760 --> 05:44:52,638
think of. Uh we need more houses and we

8648
05:44:48,638 --> 05:44:55,040
need um more people housed. So I've been

8649
05:44:52,638 --> 05:44:58,160
watching a lot of videos on housing and

8650
05:44:55,040 --> 05:45:01,360
what uh different unique ways to make

8651
05:44:58,160 --> 05:45:02,878
more housing. And I watched a video

8652
05:45:01,360 --> 05:45:04,958
yesterday.

8653
05:45:02,878 --> 05:45:07,120
It was a real estate developer in

8654
05:45:04,958 --> 05:45:09,840
Snomish County.

8655
05:45:07,120 --> 05:45:13,360
and um he said the way to make money

8656
05:45:09,840 --> 05:45:15,360
nowadays is to build the DADUs

8657
05:45:13,360 --> 05:45:18,958
uh which is what his company is do doing

8658
05:45:15,360 --> 05:45:21,120
up there in Snomish County

8659
05:45:18,958 --> 05:45:24,000
but his costs were a bit different than

8660
05:45:21,120 --> 05:45:28,240
what you're talking about. So,

8661
05:45:24,000 --> 05:45:31,920
um, so he says he he's building 1,000

8662
05:45:28,240 --> 05:45:33,280
square ft homes, two beds, one bath, and

8663
05:45:31,920 --> 05:45:36,000
he went through all of the different

8664
05:45:33,280 --> 05:45:38,718
costs to build in Stomage County, which

8665
05:45:36,000 --> 05:45:42,798
is, he says, cheaper than King County.

8666
05:45:38,718 --> 05:45:45,680
And um, without the land, not putting

8667
05:45:42,798 --> 05:45:49,280
the land in, the cheapest he can build

8668
05:45:45,680 --> 05:45:51,120
for is 340. That's the cheapest without

8669
05:45:49,280 --> 05:45:53,200
putting the land in. I think he's

8670
05:45:51,120 --> 05:45:53,440
incorrect, but that's based on my

8671
05:45:53,200 --> 05:45:54,400
research.

8672
05:45:53,440 --> 05:45:55,920
» He seems very successful.

8673
05:45:54,400 --> 05:45:58,798
» Based on my research.

8674
05:45:55,920 --> 05:46:01,760
» So then there is another uh video I

8675
05:45:58,798 --> 05:46:05,440
watched recently and it was a family in

8676
05:46:01,760 --> 05:46:07,600
Vancouver, Washington, and uh they took

8677
05:46:05,440 --> 05:46:09,280
their single family lot and they want

8678
05:46:07,600 --> 05:46:12,000
their children weren't going to be able

8679
05:46:09,280 --> 05:46:14,080
to buy homes and so they took their

8680
05:46:12,000 --> 05:46:16,320
large family home that the kids had

8681
05:46:14,080 --> 05:46:19,280
grown up in and they made four homes on

8682
05:46:16,320 --> 05:46:22,080
it. And uh so there's lots of different

8683
05:46:19,280 --> 05:46:24,240
ways you can build bring housing into an

8684
05:46:22,080 --> 05:46:26,718
area. You just have to think out of the

8685
05:46:24,240 --> 05:46:28,480
box and people all over the the world

8686
05:46:26,718 --> 05:46:32,878
are thinking out of the box on how to

8687
05:46:28,480 --> 05:46:35,920
build more housing. Uh I have some

8688
05:46:32,878 --> 05:46:38,558
concerns with with with this project and

8689
05:46:35,920 --> 05:46:39,680
some of my concerns are I don't want any

8690
05:46:38,558 --> 05:46:40,320
corners cut.

8691
05:46:39,680 --> 05:46:45,480
» Any what?

8692
05:46:40,320 --> 05:46:45,480
» Any corners cut. I mean, if we we have

8693
05:46:45,920 --> 05:46:50,320
reasons we have the way that roads have

8694
05:46:48,160 --> 05:46:54,400
to be built and sidewalks have to be in

8695
05:46:50,320 --> 05:46:58,000
a housing development. Um,

8696
05:46:54,400 --> 05:46:59,520
they shouldn't be cut for for any kind

8697
05:46:58,000 --> 05:47:03,120
of housing. They should be standard

8698
05:46:59,520 --> 05:47:06,878
throughout the city. Um,

8699
05:47:03,120 --> 05:47:08,878
changing permit fees for

8700
05:47:06,878 --> 05:47:11,120
some housing in Federal Way and not all

8701
05:47:08,878 --> 05:47:15,320
housing in Federal Way concerns me.

8702
05:47:11,120 --> 05:47:15,320
Because I think we need to be

8703
05:47:15,440 --> 05:47:23,200
we need to encourage all types of

8704
05:47:18,160 --> 05:47:26,080
housing in federal way from uh

8705
05:47:23,200 --> 05:47:28,558
houses for you know in this price range

8706
05:47:26,080 --> 05:47:32,000
to over a million. We know that we need

8707
05:47:28,558 --> 05:47:37,240
housing in all of our the the ranges of

8708
05:47:32,000 --> 05:47:37,240
housing and um

8709
05:47:37,600 --> 05:47:42,320
so I I don't know that um changing

8710
05:47:39,920 --> 05:47:45,120
permit fees for just this type of

8711
05:47:42,320 --> 05:47:46,878
housing would be fair. I don't know that

8712
05:47:45,120 --> 05:47:48,480
it would encourage other builders to

8713
05:47:46,878 --> 05:47:52,320
come to Federal Way to build other kind

8714
05:47:48,480 --> 05:47:54,480
of housing here. And um I think we

8715
05:47:52,320 --> 05:47:56,400
should do our best to keep the cost down

8716
05:47:54,480 --> 05:47:59,200
for building for all house house

8717
05:47:56,400 --> 05:48:02,160
builders so that we can get all levels

8718
05:47:59,200 --> 05:48:04,080
of housing built in federal way.

8719
05:48:02,160 --> 05:48:08,480
Um

8720
05:48:04,080 --> 05:48:10,080
reducing or waving permit fees. I'm

8721
05:48:08,480 --> 05:48:15,958
we would have to be fair and equal to

8722
05:48:10,080 --> 05:48:15,958
everyone in my opinion. and um

8723
05:48:18,320 --> 05:48:23,600
home ownership. I'm I don't know how we

8724
05:48:20,480 --> 05:48:26,798
could It sounds like you're saying that

8725
05:48:23,600 --> 05:48:29,040
these house homes

8726
05:48:26,798 --> 05:48:31,680
people could not

8727
05:48:29,040 --> 05:48:33,520
buy them than to rent them out.

8728
05:48:31,680 --> 05:48:36,638
» That's that's correct. So that would

8729
05:48:33,520 --> 05:48:38,480
have to be in the covenant. Then is how

8730
05:48:36,638 --> 05:48:41,360
can how could we say that you I mean

8731
05:48:38,480 --> 05:48:45,440
let's say let's say Bruce and I buy one

8732
05:48:41,360 --> 05:48:48,240
of these houses for one of our kids and

8733
05:48:45,440 --> 05:48:50,718
then they grow out of it because you

8734
05:48:48,240 --> 05:48:53,200
know the the family grows then we can't

8735
05:48:50,718 --> 05:48:55,360
keep it to rent it. Is that how can you

8736
05:48:53,200 --> 05:48:58,958
how can we say that as a city?

8737
05:48:55,360 --> 05:49:01,520
» Um we can't. Um, so it needs to be um,

8738
05:48:58,958 --> 05:49:03,600
so what would happen if this if this

8739
05:49:01,520 --> 05:49:06,320
truly falls into one of our affordable

8740
05:49:03,600 --> 05:49:09,200
housing units in the city, then we would

8741
05:49:06,320 --> 05:49:10,798
require a covenant. Um, and the covenant

8742
05:49:09,200 --> 05:49:14,240
um, we've been working this through with

8743
05:49:10,798 --> 05:49:16,798
Dr. Horton on the valley site and um,

8744
05:49:14,240 --> 05:49:18,878
Homestead Community Trust is going to

8745
05:49:16,798 --> 05:49:21,520
manage that covenant for the next 50

8746
05:49:18,878 --> 05:49:23,440
years um, on those affordable units. So

8747
05:49:21,520 --> 05:49:26,798
what happens is they keep in contact

8748
05:49:23,440 --> 05:49:29,920
with the property owner and if that home

8749
05:49:26,798 --> 05:49:31,520
were to be sold or rented to someone

8750
05:49:29,920 --> 05:49:35,280
else, the income restrictions would

8751
05:49:31,520 --> 05:49:38,160
remain and they would monitor for

8752
05:49:35,280 --> 05:49:40,400
compliance on that. And in theory, if

8753
05:49:38,160 --> 05:49:42,320
you as the owner didn't comply with

8754
05:49:40,400 --> 05:49:45,120
those requirements, you'd be out of

8755
05:49:42,320 --> 05:49:47,760
compliance with the covenant and you'd

8756
05:49:45,120 --> 05:49:50,480
get sued and probably lose. Sorry, I

8757
05:49:47,760 --> 05:49:52,798
don't know that part. So, so there's so

8758
05:49:50,480 --> 05:49:55,280
there's a tool. So, we have a tool to

8759
05:49:52,798 --> 05:49:58,480
manage that. Is it foolproof? Probably

8760
05:49:55,280 --> 05:50:00,400
not. Um, but will it keep a majority of

8761
05:49:58,480 --> 05:50:01,440
those units affordable for the next 50

8762
05:50:00,400 --> 05:50:03,360
years? It should,

8763
05:50:01,440 --> 05:50:07,760
» But they could be rental units.

8764
05:50:03,360 --> 05:50:09,440
» Yeah, I don't think we can um legislate

8765
05:50:07,760 --> 05:50:11,440
uh the ownership of the home and whether

8766
05:50:09,440 --> 05:50:14,480
it's rented or owner occupied. That

8767
05:50:11,440 --> 05:50:16,000
that's a lot harder. Um, and Ryan's

8768
05:50:14,480 --> 05:50:17,600
shaking his head and I don't know of a

8769
05:50:16,000 --> 05:50:20,080
way to do that either. So I think the

8770
05:50:17,600 --> 05:50:22,798
answer is we couldn't preclude it being

8771
05:50:20,080 --> 05:50:24,558
rented by the owner. That there's life

8772
05:50:22,798 --> 05:50:27,600
is too complicated for that frankly.

8773
05:50:24,558 --> 05:50:28,160
Okay. Initially

8774
05:50:27,600 --> 05:50:29,200
» Well

8775
05:50:28,160 --> 05:50:32,080
» Well

8776
05:50:29,200 --> 05:50:35,040
» It's it's it's it's

8777
05:50:32,080 --> 05:50:36,798
not a rental unit per se. It's going to

8778
05:50:35,040 --> 05:50:39,200
be sold on the marketplace and whether

8779
05:50:36,798 --> 05:50:42,718
that initial buyer chooses to live there

8780
05:50:39,200 --> 05:50:45,840
or rent it at an affordable price um

8781
05:50:42,718 --> 05:50:48,000
that we can't control. that that's what

8782
05:50:45,840 --> 05:50:52,480
I I'm trying to understand from what

8783
05:50:48,000 --> 05:50:53,680
Jack is saying. And then my um

8784
05:50:52,480 --> 05:50:56,638
you know, I certainly want to get more

8785
05:50:53,680 --> 05:50:59,680
housing here. I certainly want uh

8786
05:50:56,638 --> 05:51:01,360
seniors to downsize if they I'm looking

8787
05:50:59,680 --> 05:51:06,718
for a house to downsize in Federal Way

8788
05:51:01,360 --> 05:51:09,680
is impossible. It it truly is. Um

8789
05:51:06,718 --> 05:51:11,440
you know, I want uh anyone who wants to

8790
05:51:09,680 --> 05:51:14,240
own a home, I I want that to be possible

8791
05:51:11,440 --> 05:51:15,920
for them.

8792
05:51:14,240 --> 05:51:18,320
We're also going to need more parks

8793
05:51:15,920 --> 05:51:20,480
because if we put

8794
05:51:18,320 --> 05:51:23,200
these houses close together with very

8795
05:51:20,480 --> 05:51:27,360
tiny yards is what I'm envisioning. We

8796
05:51:23,200 --> 05:51:29,120
need more parks. And looking at Wayside,

8797
05:51:27,360 --> 05:51:31,120
there aren't any parks over there. We've

8798
05:51:29,120 --> 05:51:35,840
got Lakota across the street which has

8799
05:51:31,120 --> 05:51:37,840
we've been on has since um my adopted

8800
05:51:35,840 --> 05:51:39,920
daughter Katie was in sixth grade. We've

8801
05:51:37,840 --> 05:51:42,320
been talking about working on that park.

8802
05:51:39,920 --> 05:51:43,920
She's 23 now and we haven't, you know,

8803
05:51:42,320 --> 05:51:46,558
we've fixed the drainage and things like

8804
05:51:43,920 --> 05:51:49,920
that, but that we haven't made it into a

8805
05:51:46,558 --> 05:51:52,000
better park. And um so we're going to

8806
05:51:49,920 --> 05:51:54,400
have to look in our city budget and dig

8807
05:51:52,000 --> 05:51:56,798
deep to make more parks for people. We

8808
05:51:54,400 --> 05:51:58,240
put this many, you know, we need more

8809
05:51:56,798 --> 05:51:59,440
people in Federal Way. Definitely, we're

8810
05:51:58,240 --> 05:52:02,638
going to have more people in Federal

8811
05:51:59,440 --> 05:52:04,558
Way, but we need to look at our park

8812
05:52:02,638 --> 05:52:06,160
budget and figure out how we can make

8813
05:52:04,558 --> 05:52:08,320
more parks in Federal Way for the people

8814
05:52:06,160 --> 05:52:11,600
that we're bringing in, especially if

8815
05:52:08,320 --> 05:52:16,718
we're going to be encouraging houses

8816
05:52:11,600 --> 05:52:19,760
with um very tiny um

8817
05:52:16,718 --> 05:52:23,680
yards. Children need a place to run.

8818
05:52:19,760 --> 05:52:25,120
Dogs need a place to play in. And um if

8819
05:52:23,680 --> 05:52:26,878
we build the houses, let's build the

8820
05:52:25,120 --> 05:52:28,878
parks alongside with it. Let's make sure

8821
05:52:26,878 --> 05:52:31,040
that we're planning for that and that

8822
05:52:28,878 --> 05:52:33,840
it's not an afterthought that after

8823
05:52:31,040 --> 05:52:35,520
they're built and the families are

8824
05:52:33,840 --> 05:52:36,878
wandering around Federal Way like where

8825
05:52:35,520 --> 05:52:38,638
are the kids going to play because

8826
05:52:36,878 --> 05:52:41,040
there's not a park next door. There's

8827
05:52:38,638 --> 05:52:42,480
not a park within you know where we can

8828
05:52:41,040 --> 05:52:44,320
just send the kids off to play. We need

8829
05:52:42,480 --> 05:52:45,040
to plan for that too.

8830
05:52:44,320 --> 05:52:46,878
» Thank you.

8831
05:52:45,040 --> 05:52:50,840
» Linda, do you have something?

8832
05:52:46,878 --> 05:52:50,840
» Okay. Um Lydia.

8833
05:52:51,600 --> 05:52:55,840
» Yeah. Um I think Susan's questions

8834
05:52:54,000 --> 05:52:59,760
raised

8835
05:52:55,840 --> 05:53:01,200
um concern a concern for me. One is I

8836
05:52:59,760 --> 05:53:04,320
was under the assumption that this was

8837
05:53:01,200 --> 05:53:07,360
for first-time home buyers.

8838
05:53:04,320 --> 05:53:09,840
» No. So

8839
05:53:07,360 --> 05:53:13,280
um

8840
05:53:09,840 --> 05:53:15,840
we can't we that so that's one. It's not

8841
05:53:13,280 --> 05:53:18,160
something that we can regulate. I'm not

8842
05:53:15,840 --> 05:53:21,120
we don't have there is no resources on

8843
05:53:18,160 --> 05:53:23,040
city staff to check people's like

8844
05:53:21,120 --> 05:53:24,480
financial records to see if they've ever

8845
05:53:23,040 --> 05:53:27,920
owned a home before.

8846
05:53:24,480 --> 05:53:30,320
» If a home builder wants to make that

8847
05:53:27,920 --> 05:53:32,958
commitment, we can represent it in the

8848
05:53:30,320 --> 05:53:34,384
development agreement, but it is likely

8849
05:53:32,958 --> 05:53:36,240
not something we would enforce

8850
05:53:34,384 --> 05:53:39,280
[clears throat] because we're not part

8851
05:53:36,240 --> 05:53:41,680
of that private property transaction,

8852
05:53:39,280 --> 05:53:44,798
right? And we don't want to be, frankly.

8853
05:53:41,680 --> 05:53:46,320
» No. And I don't expect us to be. But

8854
05:53:44,798 --> 05:53:49,520
when we're talking about affordable

8855
05:53:46,320 --> 05:53:51,440
housing, if I'm buying a second home,

8856
05:53:49,520 --> 05:53:54,400
I don't know that that kind of raises a

8857
05:53:51,440 --> 05:53:55,920
question for me. That's a because again,

8858
05:53:54,400 --> 05:53:57,440
first time doesn't necessarily mean

8859
05:53:55,920 --> 05:53:59,280
you've never bought a home before. It's

8860
05:53:57,440 --> 05:54:01,680
I think it's a three-year gap before you

8861
05:53:59,280 --> 05:54:03,520
could buy again. But I think that does

8862
05:54:01,680 --> 05:54:06,320
raise a question if I'm buying it to

8863
05:54:03,520 --> 05:54:07,120
rent and I'm getting such a good deal.

8864
05:54:06,320 --> 05:54:09,520
Um,

8865
05:54:07,120 --> 05:54:14,000
» But you have to rent it not at market.

8866
05:54:09,520 --> 05:54:17,440
you have to rent it at 80% AMI. So, so

8867
05:54:14,000 --> 05:54:19,760
it's like buying an afford an affordable

8868
05:54:17,440 --> 05:54:22,240
apartment to that you could rent and

8869
05:54:19,760 --> 05:54:24,000
that may not be as exciting as if I

8870
05:54:22,240 --> 05:54:25,840
could rent it at whatever the market

8871
05:54:24,000 --> 05:54:28,718
will pay. You know what I'm saying?

8872
05:54:25,840 --> 05:54:32,160
» So, me as a renter, why would I again

8873
05:54:28,718 --> 05:54:33,680
it's a hypothetical question. I there's

8874
05:54:32,160 --> 05:54:35,520
already affordable housing that we're

8875
05:54:33,680 --> 05:54:38,240
building here in Federal Way and we have

8876
05:54:35,520 --> 05:54:39,520
plenty of them. So,

8877
05:54:38,240 --> 05:54:40,000
I'm struggling with that.

8878
05:54:39,520 --> 05:54:40,718
» Okay.

8879
05:54:40,000 --> 05:54:43,040
» So,

8880
05:54:40,718 --> 05:54:46,160
» If I may to the council, um I know that

8881
05:54:43,040 --> 05:54:48,558
it is 2:45.

8882
05:54:46,160 --> 05:54:51,680
Um and those are those are good points

8883
05:54:48,558 --> 05:54:56,240
to bring up. I I think we should into

8884
05:54:51,680 --> 05:54:56,958
land use discuss it further. Um um I

8885
05:54:56,240 --> 05:54:57,520
mean I

8886
05:54:56,958 --> 05:54:57,840
» Yep.

8887
05:54:57,520 --> 05:55:00,080
» Yeah.

8888
05:54:57,840 --> 05:55:01,760
» Yeah. Well, let's Yeah, we've got the

8889
05:55:00,080 --> 05:55:03,360
land use chair here and you're in

8890
05:55:01,760 --> 05:55:06,160
agreement with that to have discussion

8891
05:55:03,360 --> 05:55:09,280
and continue the discussion. Um, oh

8892
05:55:06,160 --> 05:55:12,480
that's right, Jack. Sorry. Okay. Um, so,

8893
05:55:09,280 --> 05:55:13,920
um, we've got talking about, uh, Thank

8894
05:55:12,480 --> 05:55:14,558
you very much, Jack. Appreciate it.

8895
05:55:13,920 --> 05:55:16,080
» Thank you.

8896
05:55:14,558 --> 05:55:18,240
» Okay. So, we'll continue the discussion

8897
05:55:16,080 --> 05:55:20,400
in land use. Um, with regard to

8898
05:55:18,240 --> 05:55:22,240
annexations, um, I think that's a much

8899
05:55:20,400 --> 05:55:24,558
longer conversation. We are at a quarter

8900
05:55:22,240 --> 05:55:26,558
to three right now. We had originally

8901
05:55:24,558 --> 05:55:31,280
said that we were going to be done at

8902
05:55:26,558 --> 05:55:34,240
three. Um, so I my suggestion is to move

8903
05:55:31,280 --> 05:55:37,520
annexations to a study session where we

8904
05:55:34,240 --> 05:55:39,760
could talk about um the city um uh you

8905
05:55:37,520 --> 05:55:42,000
know my administration proposal about

8906
05:55:39,760 --> 05:55:43,920
moving forward with annexations east of

8907
05:55:42,000 --> 05:55:46,718
the freeway. I I don't think we would be

8908
05:55:43,920 --> 05:55:48,638
doing it. We're almost 7 hours into the

8909
05:55:46,718 --> 05:55:50,240
retreat at this point and I think we'd

8910
05:55:48,638 --> 05:55:52,718
be giving short shrimp to something

8911
05:55:50,240 --> 05:55:54,480
that's very important. So any uh any

8912
05:55:52,718 --> 05:55:57,280
objection to putting this on for a study

8913
05:55:54,480 --> 05:56:00,160
session down the road for a discussion?

8914
05:55:57,280 --> 05:56:02,718
All right. Also, Wild Waves property is

8915
05:56:00,160 --> 05:56:05,120
property that does not belong to us. Um

8916
05:56:02,718 --> 05:56:07,600
there are covenants. Um I believe you've

8917
05:56:05,120 --> 05:56:08,638
got um you had Keith, you had done a

8918
05:56:07,600 --> 05:56:09,840
presentation.

8919
05:56:08,638 --> 05:56:11,520
» I do have a presentation.

8920
05:56:09,840 --> 05:56:13,600
» Okay. What I would suggest if it's if

8921
05:56:11,520 --> 05:56:16,400
it's okay, is that this is this is

8922
05:56:13,600 --> 05:56:17,920
privately owned property. We know what

8923
05:56:16,400 --> 05:56:20,878
everybody knows what the situation is

8924
05:56:17,920 --> 05:56:24,400
with regard to the the um the

8925
05:56:20,878 --> 05:56:27,520
warehouser, excuse me, that WildWaves is

8926
05:56:24,400 --> 05:56:29,600
closing down after this next year. Um I

8927
05:56:27,520 --> 05:56:32,558
would suggest sending that presentation

8928
05:56:29,600 --> 05:56:34,240
to council and um and you know providing

8929
05:56:32,558 --> 05:56:36,798
that information and if there's any

8930
05:56:34,240 --> 05:56:38,400
questions any I don't I don't see the

8931
05:56:36,798 --> 05:56:40,480
necessity for having a conversation

8932
05:56:38,400 --> 05:56:43,280
about wild waves at this time. Go ahead.

8933
05:56:40,480 --> 05:56:45,760
Um the only reason I see a necessity is

8934
05:56:43,280 --> 05:56:46,400
that uh we did the development

8935
05:56:45,760 --> 05:56:47,120
agreement.

8936
05:56:46,400 --> 05:56:49,760
» We did

8937
05:56:47,120 --> 05:56:51,600
» And I understand that there are some

8938
05:56:49,760 --> 05:56:53,360
talks about you know what's going to

8939
05:56:51,600 --> 05:56:56,798
happen. If you could just maybe give 10

8940
05:56:53,360 --> 05:56:58,240
minutes of what what he currently knows.

8941
05:56:56,798 --> 05:57:00,000
I think it would be good to bring in the

8942
05:56:58,240 --> 05:57:02,958
new council members, even myself, into

8943
05:57:00,000 --> 05:57:05,360
this because stuff happened stuff

8944
05:57:02,958 --> 05:57:07,840
happened um last year, I believe, or

8945
05:57:05,360 --> 05:57:09,600
whenever that vote occurred. And I think

8946
05:57:07,840 --> 05:57:10,240
um I mean I I did request for this item

8947
05:57:09,600 --> 05:57:12,480
to be added.

8948
05:57:10,240 --> 05:57:14,798
» Okay. So I but I also, you know, we're

8949
05:57:12,480 --> 05:57:18,080
seven hours in. So my question is

8950
05:57:14,798 --> 05:57:19,920
» Request the presentation and we hold any

8951
05:57:18,080 --> 05:57:20,718
questions for another time.

8952
05:57:19,920 --> 05:57:23,120
» Yeah.

8953
05:57:20,718 --> 05:57:24,320
» Well, I there's no use in having a

8954
05:57:23,120 --> 05:57:27,360
presentation if you don't get to answer

8955
05:57:24,320 --> 05:57:29,840
any questions. So, we've got Wild Waves.

8956
05:57:27,360 --> 05:57:31,840
What's left now is Wild Waves property

8957
05:57:29,840 --> 05:57:33,840
and budget briefing.

8958
05:57:31,840 --> 05:57:36,000
» Okay. So, do you guys want to go past

8959
05:57:33,840 --> 05:57:37,920
3:00? Is that what I'm hearing?

8960
05:57:36,000 --> 05:57:39,680
» I'm I'm okay with it. What about

8961
05:57:37,920 --> 05:57:41,120
» Does anybody have any I want to be

8962
05:57:39,680 --> 05:57:43,040
sensitive to your plans? And we also

8963
05:57:41,120 --> 05:57:47,320
have staff here that's been here since

8964
05:57:43,040 --> 05:57:47,320
7:30 or 8:00.

8965
05:57:48,878 --> 05:57:55,200
» Well, I How many How many slides do you

8966
05:57:52,080 --> 05:57:58,320
have on wild waves?

8967
05:57:55,200 --> 05:57:59,600
One, two, three, four.

8968
05:57:58,320 --> 05:58:01,680
» Why don't you hit Just go ahead.

8969
05:57:59,600 --> 05:58:03,440
» Yeah, I I could be done been done by

8970
05:58:01,680 --> 05:58:05,200
now. [laughter]

8971
05:58:03,440 --> 05:58:07,920
» Okay.

8972
05:58:05,200 --> 05:58:10,160
» All right. Wild Waves. Uh, the roughly

8973
05:58:07,920 --> 05:58:12,718
66 acres site was originally opened in

8974
05:58:10,160 --> 05:58:16,320
1977 and was later entitled through a

8975
05:58:12,718 --> 05:58:18,320
concominant agreement on March 3rd, 98.

8976
05:58:16,320 --> 05:58:22,160
The agreement was amended for the fourth

8977
05:58:18,320 --> 05:58:25,360
time um at the end of 2023.

8978
05:58:22,160 --> 05:58:27,920
Um, the amendment basically changed

8979
05:58:25,360 --> 05:58:30,480
warehousing, which used to be an

8980
05:58:27,920 --> 05:58:33,920
accessory use only, which is why it's

8981
05:58:30,480 --> 05:58:35,680
crossed out, and is now a permitted use.

8982
05:58:33,920 --> 05:58:39,200
Um,

8983
05:58:35,680 --> 05:58:41,600
this is the uh preapp we had with uh the

8984
05:58:39,200 --> 05:58:44,320
landowner. So, this is a million square

8985
05:58:41,600 --> 05:58:46,878
foot um warehouse building. North is to

8986
05:58:44,320 --> 05:58:49,280
the left.

8987
05:58:46,878 --> 05:58:52,878
And just to give you a sense of size and

8988
05:58:49,280 --> 05:58:55,040
scale, these are the two um these two

8989
05:58:52,878 --> 05:58:56,638
warehouses are what have been built on

8990
05:58:55,040 --> 05:58:58,558
the warehouser property. The

8991
05:58:56,638 --> 05:59:02,400
headquarters sits right there to the

8992
05:58:58,558 --> 05:59:04,798
left. So these two buildings um think

8993
05:59:02,400 --> 05:59:07,920
about four of them is the size of that

8994
05:59:04,798 --> 05:59:10,798
warehouse that's being proposed uh for

8995
05:59:07,920 --> 05:59:13,440
wild waves. Oops, too many. So that's

8996
05:59:10,798 --> 05:59:16,798
the size of four of those IRG

8997
05:59:13,440 --> 05:59:18,958
warehouses. I'm done. Look at that. So

8998
05:59:16,798 --> 05:59:20,240
go back to the allowable uses please.

8999
05:59:18,958 --> 05:59:23,680
» Yes sir.

9000
05:59:20,240 --> 05:59:26,878
» Okay. Um council any questions?

9001
05:59:23,680 --> 05:59:29,520
» So so what Keith what is the full

9002
05:59:26,878 --> 05:59:31,440
allowable use? I can't

9003
05:59:29,520 --> 05:59:33,440
» I mean one of them the new one obviously

9004
05:59:31,440 --> 05:59:38,638
is warehouses now

9005
05:59:33,440 --> 05:59:41,280
» Right now what's allowed is basically um

9006
05:59:38,638 --> 05:59:43,360
what's allowed in the office park zone

9007
05:59:41,280 --> 05:59:45,120
and that's a list of I can send you that

9008
05:59:43,360 --> 05:59:48,240
list if you'd like council president.

9009
05:59:45,120 --> 05:59:52,638
Yeah. um regional commercial recreation,

9010
05:59:48,240 --> 05:59:55,680
which is the theme park, um hotel,

9011
05:59:52,638 --> 05:59:58,240
um and restaurants,

9012
05:59:55,680 --> 06:00:01,200
uh retail establishments,

9013
05:59:58,240 --> 06:00:03,360
a caretaker residence, and now the

9014
06:00:01,200 --> 06:00:05,200
warehousing.

9015
06:00:03,360 --> 06:00:05,840
That's the allowed uses for that

9016
06:00:05,200 --> 06:00:07,840
property.

9017
06:00:05,840 --> 06:00:09,600
» And how did the warehousing thing come

9018
06:00:07,840 --> 06:00:11,840
to be? What happened? Because I wasn't

9019
06:00:09,600 --> 06:00:15,440
there. Uh it was a request from the

9020
06:00:11,840 --> 06:00:19,040
property owner to change it from a an

9021
06:00:15,440 --> 06:00:21,440
accessory use which means it needs to be

9022
06:00:19,040 --> 06:00:24,400
subordinate to one of the other allowed

9023
06:00:21,440 --> 06:00:26,080
uses to allow it to be a primary use. So

9024
06:00:24,400 --> 06:00:27,360
they asked for that.

9025
06:00:26,080 --> 06:00:28,480
» Was there I assume there was a

9026
06:00:27,360 --> 06:00:29,200
presentation on this.

9027
06:00:28,480 --> 06:00:30,480
» Oh yeah.

9028
06:00:29,200 --> 06:00:33,520
» Was there I'd like to get that

9029
06:00:30,480 --> 06:00:34,878
presentation. Uh but my question is was

9030
06:00:33,520 --> 06:00:37,520
there a why

9031
06:00:34,878 --> 06:00:39,040
» Why was it requested? Why did the owner

9032
06:00:37,520 --> 06:00:40,798
request to have it

9033
06:00:39,040 --> 06:00:44,638
» Yeah. What he said was he he we wanted

9034
06:00:40,798 --> 06:00:46,958
to make sure that um once if if Wildways

9035
06:00:44,638 --> 06:00:49,440
ever went away and I should would note

9036
06:00:46,958 --> 06:00:51,760
that postcoid their attendance

9037
06:00:49,440 --> 06:00:54,958
essentially have and they were losing $2

9038
06:00:51,760 --> 06:00:56,798
million a year um the owner of the

9039
06:00:54,958 --> 06:00:59,840
property Jeff Stock said what he did not

9040
06:00:56,798 --> 06:01:01,680
want to do is have a situation in which

9041
06:00:59,840 --> 06:01:04,320
he wouldn't wasn't able to utilize the

9042
06:01:01,680 --> 06:01:06,718
property would just sit empty and so

9043
06:01:04,320 --> 06:01:08,878
that's he wanted allowable uses and was

9044
06:01:06,718 --> 06:01:11,920
concerned that there certainly wasn't

9045
06:01:08,878 --> 06:01:14,878
going be another amusement park. Um, and

9046
06:01:11,920 --> 06:01:16,878
so what else would be allowed? And so

9047
06:01:14,878 --> 06:01:18,320
there was a gone through committee and

9048
06:01:16,878 --> 06:01:21,200
it went through council.

9049
06:01:18,320 --> 06:01:23,040
» Okay, good. I just wanted to my goal is

9050
06:01:21,200 --> 06:01:25,280
just to understand better what that

9051
06:01:23,040 --> 06:01:27,600
situation. I mean, no doubt that when

9052
06:01:25,280 --> 06:01:30,000
Wilder said they were for sale or

9053
06:01:27,600 --> 06:01:32,240
they're ending their thing, that was a

9054
06:01:30,000 --> 06:01:34,718
that's a huge concern. It's it's going

9055
06:01:32,240 --> 06:01:37,520
to be a huge void. I mean, that's that's

9056
06:01:34,718 --> 06:01:39,840
part of our identity really. And I know

9057
06:01:37,520 --> 06:01:41,360
that our hands are tied. can't do much.

9058
06:01:39,840 --> 06:01:46,360
Uh but I just felt like it it should

9059
06:01:41,360 --> 06:01:46,360
have been added to the retreat agenda.

9060
06:01:46,400 --> 06:01:51,360
» Okay. Yes.

9061
06:01:48,080 --> 06:01:54,000
» Um thanks. Um is there any way we can

9062
06:01:51,360 --> 06:01:55,520
limit the amount of truck traffic there?

9063
06:01:54,000 --> 06:01:58,718
Because that's a huge building. There's

9064
06:01:55,520 --> 06:02:01,040
homes all around there. Super busy road.

9065
06:01:58,718 --> 06:02:03,920
And um

9066
06:02:01,040 --> 06:02:04,718
I you know I just feel for the folks who

9067
06:02:03,920 --> 06:02:08,280
live around there.

9068
06:02:04,718 --> 06:02:08,280
» EJ's approaching.

9069
06:02:10,240 --> 06:02:15,360
I'm sure they're a little bit shocked.

9070
06:02:12,558 --> 06:02:17,680
» Um, in short, no. So, if it if it meets

9071
06:02:15,360 --> 06:02:20,240
the land use classifications and it's

9072
06:02:17,680 --> 06:02:21,360
permissible under land use, then no, we

9073
06:02:20,240 --> 06:02:22,798
can certainly make them mitigate

9074
06:02:21,360 --> 06:02:23,680
whatever impacts they have as part of

9075
06:02:22,798 --> 06:02:24,638
the permitting process.

9076
06:02:23,680 --> 06:02:26,480
» You can make them what?

9077
06:02:24,638 --> 06:02:28,240
» Mitigate whatever impacts they may have

9078
06:02:26,480 --> 06:02:29,280
as part of the permitting process. So,

9079
06:02:28,240 --> 06:02:30,958
development needs to pay for

9080
06:02:29,280 --> 06:02:32,558
development. So, if they're creating an

9081
06:02:30,958 --> 06:02:36,000
impact on the transportation network,

9082
06:02:32,558 --> 06:02:38,320
they need to offset it to to match that.

9083
06:02:36,000 --> 06:02:40,080
Um but no, there's no way to say you can

9084
06:02:38,320 --> 06:02:41,120
only have 10 trucks per day or something

9085
06:02:40,080 --> 06:02:43,040
to that effect.

9086
06:02:41,120 --> 06:02:45,360
» And he's committed to doing this and not

9087
06:02:43,040 --> 06:02:47,600
doing anything else there.

9088
06:02:45,360 --> 06:02:48,400
» Um that is my understanding.

9089
06:02:47,600 --> 06:02:50,480
» All right. Thank you.

9090
06:02:48,400 --> 06:02:53,280
» Um and I would also note that he did

9091
06:02:50,480 --> 06:02:55,680
just recently meet with the neighbors.

9092
06:02:53,280 --> 06:02:57,680
So he's in con he's been in constant

9093
06:02:55,680 --> 06:02:59,280
communication over the years. Um and

9094
06:02:57,680 --> 06:03:01,440
just regularly. He flew into town just

9095
06:02:59,280 --> 06:03:03,520
recently to meet with them.

9096
06:03:01,440 --> 06:03:05,440
» Um and and was not met with opposition

9097
06:03:03,520 --> 06:03:06,878
to what I'm as to what I'm told. All

9098
06:03:05,440 --> 06:03:09,840
right, Lydia.

9099
06:03:06,878 --> 06:03:12,160
» Yeah. Um, mine's going to be brief. I

9100
06:03:09,840 --> 06:03:15,040
wild were really something that drew

9101
06:03:12,160 --> 06:03:17,520
people to Federal Way. So, losing it is

9102
06:03:15,040 --> 06:03:19,920
really sad. So, I'm just wondering or

9103
06:03:17,520 --> 06:03:22,798
hopeful that maybe there's another

9104
06:03:19,920 --> 06:03:24,558
amusement park person interested. So, if

9105
06:03:22,798 --> 06:03:26,000
that was the case, would he consider it

9106
06:03:24,558 --> 06:03:28,080
or is he

9107
06:03:26,000 --> 06:03:30,958
» Well, the the person that was I'm sorry

9108
06:03:28,080 --> 06:03:33,840
to interrupt. Sorry. Kieran Burke was

9109
06:03:30,958 --> 06:03:36,240
the individual that was he had previous

9110
06:03:33,840 --> 06:03:39,520
he he's the individual at the corporate

9111
06:03:36,240 --> 06:03:43,600
level that was that's running the the

9112
06:03:39,520 --> 06:03:46,160
company that um is an offshoot of um of

9113
06:03:43,600 --> 06:03:48,320
which Wildwood is an offshoot of and he

9114
06:03:46,160 --> 06:03:51,440
had actually um been previously been

9115
06:03:48,320 --> 06:03:53,280
with Six Flags and the property had gone

9116
06:03:51,440 --> 06:03:56,160
Six Flags somewhere else back to Six

9117
06:03:53,280 --> 06:03:58,400
Flags um and there did not I mean I

9118
06:03:56,160 --> 06:04:00,480
think they have fully explored the to my

9119
06:03:58,400 --> 06:04:03,360
understanding in conversations with Mr.

9120
06:04:00,480 --> 06:04:07,280
Stock um that they've really explored

9121
06:04:03,360 --> 06:04:12,080
the market and you know based on the um

9122
06:04:07,280 --> 06:04:14,638
uh the postcoid decline which was again

9123
06:04:12,080 --> 06:04:17,680
$2 million in losses they used to I saw

9124
06:04:14,638 --> 06:04:21,680
a graphic that went from 700,000 visits

9125
06:04:17,680 --> 06:04:25,280
per year down to you know bel then it

9126
06:04:21,680 --> 06:04:28,638
went down to like 400 or 300,000. So the

9127
06:04:25,280 --> 06:04:32,558
the attendance had essentially hald. Um

9128
06:04:28,638 --> 06:04:35,280
and so um Kieran Burke did not see a

9129
06:04:32,558 --> 06:04:37,920
pathway forward uh moving forward. And

9130
06:04:35,280 --> 06:04:40,000
there really aren't a whole lot of um

9131
06:04:37,920 --> 06:04:43,400
water parks uh in the region, especially

9132
06:04:40,000 --> 06:04:43,400
this far north.

9133
06:04:43,520 --> 06:04:46,878
» Yeah, it would be. It would be. And I

9134
06:04:45,120 --> 06:04:49,440
think that you know I think that this

9135
06:04:46,878 --> 06:04:51,600
had been there was a lot of effort to

9136
06:04:49,440 --> 06:04:55,360
try to do so.

9137
06:04:51,600 --> 06:04:56,718
Um yeah, Martin. So, um, was there

9138
06:04:55,360 --> 06:04:58,400
really people that did not oppose? The

9139
06:04:56,718 --> 06:04:59,760
neighbors would not oppose where

9140
06:04:58,400 --> 06:05:02,400
» Well, I can't speak for them. What I

9141
06:04:59,760 --> 06:05:05,040
would say is Jessto has told me that he

9142
06:05:02,400 --> 06:05:07,680
came into town, met with them. I I've

9143
06:05:05,040 --> 06:05:10,400
received no emails or communications

9144
06:05:07,680 --> 06:05:12,320
from neighbors um about this, but I

9145
06:05:10,400 --> 06:05:14,638
could say that he I can't say what

9146
06:05:12,320 --> 06:05:16,718
happened in those meetings other than

9147
06:05:14,638 --> 06:05:18,878
forward what he has said to me.

9148
06:05:16,718 --> 06:05:20,400
» And there, you know, even if he met with

9149
06:05:18,878 --> 06:05:21,760
a you know, a group of neighbors,

9150
06:05:20,400 --> 06:05:23,440
there's a lot of folks over there.

9151
06:05:21,760 --> 06:05:25,200
» Yeah.

9152
06:05:23,440 --> 06:05:27,200
So, I can't say that there's unonyimity.

9153
06:05:25,200 --> 06:05:29,920
I can't I can't say that. I I can say

9154
06:05:27,200 --> 06:05:31,760
that he has uh during the course that he

9155
06:05:29,920 --> 06:05:34,080
has owned this property and started

9156
06:05:31,760 --> 06:05:36,320
this. He's been very communicative with

9157
06:05:34,080 --> 06:05:37,920
the neighbors. Um and had, to my

9158
06:05:36,320 --> 06:05:40,480
understanding, a good relationship with

9159
06:05:37,920 --> 06:05:43,760
them, those communications have been

9160
06:05:40,480 --> 06:05:45,040
ongoing and most recent um as like

9161
06:05:43,760 --> 06:05:46,160
several weeks ago. Yeah.

9162
06:05:45,040 --> 06:05:47,600
» Um

9163
06:05:46,160 --> 06:05:47,840
» Where he came into town and met with

9164
06:05:47,600 --> 06:05:48,160
them.

9165
06:05:47,840 --> 06:05:48,958
» Yeah,

9166
06:05:48,160 --> 06:05:51,120
» That's what I know.

9167
06:05:48,958 --> 06:05:53,280
» I I appreciate that. I I just feel like,

9168
06:05:51,120 --> 06:05:54,958
you know, we all have experience here

9169
06:05:53,280 --> 06:05:57,600
and I just feel like from past

9170
06:05:54,958 --> 06:05:59,120
experience, I think once this issue

9171
06:05:57,600 --> 06:06:01,092
comes forth and the permitting starts

9172
06:05:59,120 --> 06:06:02,320
becoming real, I I'm willing

9173
06:06:01,092 --> 06:06:04,878
[clears throat] to put money on the fact

9174
06:06:02,320 --> 06:06:07,200
that neighbors will be showing up and

9175
06:06:04,878 --> 06:06:08,320
they will will be displeased and they're

9176
06:06:07,200 --> 06:06:09,360
not going to like the impacts and

9177
06:06:08,320 --> 06:06:11,040
they're not going to be excited about

9178
06:06:09,360 --> 06:06:12,638
the warehouses. That's just my

9179
06:06:11,040 --> 06:06:13,200
perception, my truth.

9180
06:06:12,638 --> 06:06:13,840
» Well,

9181
06:06:13,200 --> 06:06:16,080
» Thank you.

9182
06:06:13,840 --> 06:06:16,718
» They somebody private owns this

9183
06:06:16,080 --> 06:06:18,480
property.

9184
06:06:16,718 --> 06:06:20,240
» True. and there's private property

9185
06:06:18,480 --> 06:06:21,920
rights and this went through a very

9186
06:06:20,240 --> 06:06:24,718
legal public process

9187
06:06:21,920 --> 06:06:27,200
» To have this amended. So that's that's

9188
06:06:24,718 --> 06:06:29,200
America. Um okay, any other questions

9189
06:06:27,200 --> 06:06:31,920
for Keith?

9190
06:06:29,200 --> 06:06:33,520
» Okay, now um Ste Thank you, Keith.

9191
06:06:31,920 --> 06:06:37,000
Steve, you want to come up and give a

9192
06:06:33,520 --> 06:06:37,000
kind of a progn

9193
06:06:42,878 --> 06:06:46,360
let's hit this.

9194
06:06:46,400 --> 06:06:50,520
run through your slides. Let's go.

9195
06:06:55,280 --> 06:07:00,400
» Oh, okay.

9196
06:06:58,320 --> 06:07:03,920
» Okay. So, would you do me a f would you

9197
06:07:00,400 --> 06:07:07,120
do everybody here a favor? Um,

9198
06:07:03,920 --> 06:07:08,400
can you number one,

9199
06:07:07,120 --> 06:07:11,200
Steve,

9200
06:07:08,400 --> 06:07:13,280
» Can you email this presentation

9201
06:07:11,200 --> 06:07:15,200
separately to each of the council

9202
06:07:13,280 --> 06:07:18,520
members so they've got it, they can

9203
06:07:15,200 --> 06:07:18,520
review it?

9204
06:07:22,718 --> 06:07:25,360
» Okay.

9205
06:07:23,680 --> 06:07:26,958
» Could you repeat what you just said?

9206
06:07:25,360 --> 06:07:28,798
» Sure. It's a fivem minute presentation.

9207
06:07:26,958 --> 06:07:30,320
I can tack it on to my monthly financial

9208
06:07:28,798 --> 06:07:32,240
report on Tuesday at FedRack.

9209
06:07:30,320 --> 06:07:34,480
» Well, you know what? If it's just do it

9210
06:07:32,240 --> 06:07:36,878
my I'm I'm in the meeting. Just if it's

9211
06:07:34,480 --> 06:07:37,280
a five-minute presentation, do it,

9212
06:07:36,878 --> 06:07:38,878
» Please.

9213
06:07:37,280 --> 06:07:41,120
» Well, then I'll back up four slides.

9214
06:07:38,878 --> 06:07:43,280
» Okay.

9215
06:07:41,120 --> 06:07:44,958
» Uh because I was planning on taking five

9216
06:07:43,280 --> 06:07:47,200
minutes. I am not going to do any sugar

9217
06:07:44,958 --> 06:07:48,240
coating. I've got six slides to go over

9218
06:07:47,200 --> 06:07:49,600
» And then we're going to when when you

9219
06:07:48,240 --> 06:07:51,440
get done with the slides, we're want to

9220
06:07:49,600 --> 06:07:52,638
talk about what your analysis is about

9221
06:07:51,440 --> 06:07:54,718
this coming budget year.

9222
06:07:52,638 --> 06:07:56,638
» Absolutely. We have a budget of $200

9223
06:07:54,718 --> 06:07:58,638
million per year. And yes, the general

9224
06:07:56,638 --> 06:08:01,120
fund can do anything that cities can

9225
06:07:58,638 --> 06:08:03,520
legally do. But a budget means that we

9226
06:08:01,120 --> 06:08:05,840
can't do everything. Uh a budget is

9227
06:08:03,520 --> 06:08:08,080
exactly the tool that we help us to

9228
06:08:05,840 --> 06:08:10,480
figure out what we can afford. Uh the

9229
06:08:08,080 --> 06:08:12,718
basic foundation of our s of our city is

9230
06:08:10,480 --> 06:08:15,520
police, parks, streets, planning, code

9231
06:08:12,718 --> 06:08:17,360
enforcement, municipal courts. So uh

9232
06:08:15,520 --> 06:08:19,360
during difficult financial times and we

9233
06:08:17,360 --> 06:08:21,600
know that uh our revenues have been

9234
06:08:19,360 --> 06:08:23,600
difficult the last year. Uh we have to

9235
06:08:21,600 --> 06:08:26,240
be thinking necessities versus uh

9236
06:08:23,600 --> 06:08:27,680
luxuries. And I would point out that

9237
06:08:26,240 --> 06:08:30,240
there are five things that have just

9238
06:08:27,680 --> 06:08:32,240
ganged up on us historically.

9239
06:08:30,240 --> 06:08:35,360
Inflation has increased the costs of all

9240
06:08:32,240 --> 06:08:37,120
of our services. Uh I would say that we

9241
06:08:35,360 --> 06:08:39,520
are about a million dollars behind on

9242
06:08:37,120 --> 06:08:42,558
both replacing vehicles and on replacing

9243
06:08:39,520 --> 06:08:44,160
signalized uh uh uh intersections, our

9244
06:08:42,558 --> 06:08:45,840
traffic signals.

9245
06:08:44,160 --> 06:08:47,360
uh every department in the whole city

9246
06:08:45,840 --> 06:08:50,480
always comes to me and I have on my

9247
06:08:47,360 --> 06:08:52,798
weight list uh staffing needs that they

9248
06:08:50,480 --> 06:08:55,440
ask for in order to deliver the services

9249
06:08:52,798 --> 06:08:58,718
that we're currently asked for.

9250
06:08:55,440 --> 06:09:00,080
Uh and we have seen facility surprises.

9251
06:08:58,718 --> 06:09:01,760
We've seen them at the community center,

9252
06:09:00,080 --> 06:09:04,160
but we could just as easily see them

9253
06:09:01,760 --> 06:09:06,080
right here at Dumis Bay or the pack or

9254
06:09:04,160 --> 06:09:09,280
city hall.

9255
06:09:06,080 --> 06:09:12,000
Uh so uh our ability to be able to

9256
06:09:09,280 --> 06:09:14,000
respond to facility surprises is is one

9257
06:09:12,000 --> 06:09:15,440
of our budget concerns because when we

9258
06:09:14,000 --> 06:09:18,240
do budgeting, we have to look not only

9259
06:09:15,440 --> 06:09:19,680
at our current operations but our our

9260
06:09:18,240 --> 06:09:21,360
ability to take care of our capital

9261
06:09:19,680 --> 06:09:23,120
expenses.

9262
06:09:21,360 --> 06:09:25,520
When we talk to people that we serve, I

9263
06:09:23,120 --> 06:09:27,280
want to make sure that we remind them uh

9264
06:09:25,520 --> 06:09:29,440
of these three things. First, the

9265
06:09:27,280 --> 06:09:33,040
national inflation has been 3% or less

9266
06:09:29,440 --> 06:09:36,320
for 19 months, but the that 9% inflation

9267
06:09:33,040 --> 06:09:38,080
back in 22 put all of our costs on a new

9268
06:09:36,320 --> 06:09:40,480
trajectory and that impacts all the cost

9269
06:09:38,080 --> 06:09:42,798
of our services including our staffing.

9270
06:09:40,480 --> 06:09:45,600
Second, sales tax within the city limit

9271
06:09:42,798 --> 06:09:47,760
is up 2% which should be good news

9272
06:09:45,600 --> 06:09:49,440
except that on inflation alone, you

9273
06:09:47,760 --> 06:09:51,760
would expect that our sales tax would be

9274
06:09:49,440 --> 06:09:54,558
up 3%. So that means our volume has been

9275
06:09:51,760 --> 06:09:56,400
down just a little. and real estate

9276
06:09:54,558 --> 06:09:59,280
excise tax. The graph on the left shows

9277
06:09:56,400 --> 06:10:01,440
that uh our uh our real estate excise

9278
06:09:59,280 --> 06:10:02,160
tax revenue has been down three years

9279
06:10:01,440 --> 06:10:03,440
running now.

9280
06:10:02,160 --> 06:10:04,958
» Steve, can you explain what that means

9281
06:10:03,440 --> 06:10:06,240
in real terms in regard to capital

9282
06:10:04,958 --> 06:10:09,200
projects for our newer council members?

9283
06:10:06,240 --> 06:10:11,520
» I sure can. Uh we budget $5 million a

9284
06:10:09,200 --> 06:10:16,000
year on REIT and we have been getting

9285
06:10:11,520 --> 06:10:19,280
about three that uh this is a 1% uh

9286
06:10:16,000 --> 06:10:20,558
sales tax that we get on uh every real

9287
06:10:19,280 --> 06:10:23,680
estate transaction whether it's

9288
06:10:20,558 --> 06:10:26,240
residential or commercial. And so the

9289
06:10:23,680 --> 06:10:29,120
underlying property values in in federal

9290
06:10:26,240 --> 06:10:31,120
way have been uh solid. So it's the pace

9291
06:10:29,120 --> 06:10:32,958
of the real estate transactions. We

9292
06:10:31,120 --> 06:10:35,920
think that's tied to mortgage rates

9293
06:10:32,958 --> 06:10:37,600
also. And what that means for us is when

9294
06:10:35,920 --> 06:10:39,120
revenue doesn't come in, why then we

9295
06:10:37,600 --> 06:10:41,760
have to adjust our expenses. And what

9296
06:10:39,120 --> 06:10:43,680
have we done? Uh EJ has been forced to

9297
06:10:41,760 --> 06:10:45,920
delay the timing of a lot of our streets

9298
06:10:43,680 --> 06:10:47,680
projects that are that are funded by

9299
06:10:45,920 --> 06:10:50,160
that.

9300
06:10:47,680 --> 06:10:52,080
Uh the these are the biggest revenues. I

9301
06:10:50,160 --> 06:10:53,920
think I show this slide pretty much at

9302
06:10:52,080 --> 06:10:56,240
every uh Fed Rack meeting. I think this

9303
06:10:53,920 --> 06:11:00,080
is the most recent one that I did show.

9304
06:10:56,240 --> 06:11:02,558
Uh this shows our most material revenues

9305
06:11:00,080 --> 06:11:05,200
compared to budget in the first column

9306
06:11:02,558 --> 06:11:08,320
and compared to prior year. So we missed

9307
06:11:05,200 --> 06:11:10,718
our budget. Uh but we have seen an

9308
06:11:08,320 --> 06:11:12,480
increase over prior year. The variance

9309
06:11:10,718 --> 06:11:15,440
from prior year is positive but we

9310
06:11:12,480 --> 06:11:18,160
budgeted more optimistically than I

9311
06:11:15,440 --> 06:11:20,480
think we realized and we authorized

9312
06:11:18,160 --> 06:11:22,000
budget spending on that. So again, when

9313
06:11:20,480 --> 06:11:23,760
revenue doesn't come in, what do we have

9314
06:11:22,000 --> 06:11:26,080
to do? We have to scale back on our on

9315
06:11:23,760 --> 06:11:28,080
our expenses. Now, real estate excise

9316
06:11:26,080 --> 06:11:31,520
tax is is restricted. That's why I show

9317
06:11:28,080 --> 06:11:33,280
it as a separate category down there.

9318
06:11:31,520 --> 06:11:35,040
So, uh, we have no choice to make a

9319
06:11:33,280 --> 06:11:36,638
correction on our spending. Uh, and

9320
06:11:35,040 --> 06:11:38,878
while it's a positive sign that our

9321
06:11:36,638 --> 06:11:40,718
total revenue went up, moving forward,

9322
06:11:38,878 --> 06:11:42,400
we have to be realistic and and make

9323
06:11:40,718 --> 06:11:45,120
sure that that we adjust our expenses

9324
06:11:42,400 --> 06:11:47,920
when we need to. Uh, Brian Davis and I

9325
06:11:45,120 --> 06:11:49,520
will be uh meeting as soon as we get our

9326
06:11:47,920 --> 06:11:51,760
December

9327
06:11:49,520 --> 06:11:53,520
uh sales tax which comes in to us from

9328
06:11:51,760 --> 06:11:56,240
the state on a two-month lag. We don't

9329
06:11:53,520 --> 06:11:58,240
yet know what the December that holiday

9330
06:11:56,240 --> 06:12:00,320
spending was. And we have also asked all

9331
06:11:58,240 --> 06:12:02,160
of our departments

9332
06:12:00,320 --> 06:12:05,840
to give us input on what are the

9333
06:12:02,160 --> 06:12:07,520
obligatory uh expense increases that we

9334
06:12:05,840 --> 06:12:10,558
have no choice but to absorb. That would

9335
06:12:07,520 --> 06:12:12,558
be things like insurance premiums or uh

9336
06:12:10,558 --> 06:12:17,400
IT licensing fees, that kind of thing

9337
06:12:12,558 --> 06:12:17,400
that we have no choice. Uh

9338
06:12:17,760 --> 06:12:22,240
so uh when the finance director comes

9339
06:12:20,160 --> 06:12:24,000
and says that we have no extra money, I

9340
06:12:22,240 --> 06:12:27,600
I I really want to make sure that I give

9341
06:12:24,000 --> 06:12:31,280
you a good explanation to get to uh

9342
06:12:27,600 --> 06:12:33,280
discretionary uh revenue for a city. We

9343
06:12:31,280 --> 06:12:35,680
have to get first past our debt

9344
06:12:33,280 --> 06:12:38,000
obligations. We have to take care of our

9345
06:12:35,680 --> 06:12:41,200
existing infrastructure obligations. I

9346
06:12:38,000 --> 06:12:44,400
wish that we took care of 120th of our

9347
06:12:41,200 --> 06:12:47,040
20-year uh uh assets and 1/5if of our

9348
06:12:44,400 --> 06:12:48,718
five-year assets if we just spent to to

9349
06:12:47,040 --> 06:12:51,440
replace them every year. But our budget

9350
06:12:48,718 --> 06:12:54,240
means that that's not always possible.

9351
06:12:51,440 --> 06:12:56,958
Uh also, police and parks and street

9352
06:12:54,240 --> 06:12:59,680
staff are expected to continue to do

9353
06:12:56,958 --> 06:13:01,440
every year what they have been doing. Uh

9354
06:12:59,680 --> 06:13:03,920
delivering the same level of services.

9355
06:13:01,440 --> 06:13:07,360
Remember police, our service is our

9356
06:13:03,920 --> 06:13:09,360
people. It's our it it's our officers.

9357
06:13:07,360 --> 06:13:12,240
So that means that paying staff is is

9358
06:13:09,360 --> 06:13:14,718
one of our obligations and we've got

9359
06:13:12,240 --> 06:13:16,558
deferred capital because for example

9360
06:13:14,718 --> 06:13:19,280
real estate excise tax has been down and

9361
06:13:16,558 --> 06:13:21,840
we've been deferring some replacing PD

9362
06:13:19,280 --> 06:13:23,680
and public works vehicles and so most

9363
06:13:21,840 --> 06:13:26,400
funds are restricted out of our 200

9364
06:13:23,680 --> 06:13:30,000
million really only about $80 million is

9365
06:13:26,400 --> 06:13:32,718
general fund. So every penny is spoken

9366
06:13:30,000 --> 06:13:35,040
for and then some. But two or three

9367
06:13:32,718 --> 06:13:37,200
years ago, we really did have sales tax

9368
06:13:35,040 --> 06:13:39,760
come in better than budgeted. So it it

9369
06:13:37,200 --> 06:13:41,280
does happen that we are able to

9370
06:13:39,760 --> 06:13:43,680
greenlight some things that aren't in

9371
06:13:41,280 --> 06:13:45,760
the budget. Now when that happens, we we

9372
06:13:43,680 --> 06:13:48,638
have a a structure for how to how to

9373
06:13:45,760 --> 06:13:50,638
prepare for that. Uh we have a wait list

9374
06:13:48,638 --> 06:13:52,160
and it's not a wish list, it's a waiting

9375
06:13:50,638 --> 06:13:54,480
list because when you have people coming

9376
06:13:52,160 --> 06:13:57,280
and asking for you to do things, the

9377
06:13:54,480 --> 06:13:58,878
answer isn't necessarily no, it's not

9378
06:13:57,280 --> 06:14:01,280
yet.

9379
06:13:58,878 --> 06:14:02,878
Uh so I take the wait list seriously. If

9380
06:14:01,280 --> 06:14:04,240
we get a million dollars, we had better

9381
06:14:02,878 --> 06:14:05,920
make sure that we use it on the top

9382
06:14:04,240 --> 06:14:07,600
priority. And you as a governing body

9383
06:14:05,920 --> 06:14:10,000
want to make sure that you do the most

9384
06:14:07,600 --> 06:14:12,638
important thing, the most urgent thing.

9385
06:14:10,000 --> 06:14:15,280
Uh and so by having the widest uh number

9386
06:14:12,638 --> 06:14:17,440
of things to consider, that's how you

9387
06:14:15,280 --> 06:14:19,760
make your best decisions.

9388
06:14:17,440 --> 06:14:23,200
The window for budget requests is open

9389
06:14:19,760 --> 06:14:25,200
continuously. It never closes. And uh

9390
06:14:23,200 --> 06:14:27,920
the box on the right, that blue box

9391
06:14:25,200 --> 06:14:30,080
there, kind of summarizes what is really

9392
06:14:27,920 --> 06:14:31,440
a seven-page spreadsheet. Over the past

9393
06:14:30,080 --> 06:14:32,718
few years, I've collected budget

9394
06:14:31,440 --> 06:14:36,558
requests and those are the most

9395
06:14:32,718 --> 06:14:39,600
important things uh that uh I would

9396
06:14:36,558 --> 06:14:42,080
anticipate would be uh demands on our

9397
06:14:39,600 --> 06:14:44,400
scarce resources.

9398
06:14:42,080 --> 06:14:46,480
And so before any of us make promises to

9399
06:14:44,400 --> 06:14:47,680
people uh requesting things, we have to

9400
06:14:46,480 --> 06:14:49,600
make sure that we, you know, consult

9401
06:14:47,680 --> 06:14:52,480
with the mayor, city council. Sometimes

9402
06:14:49,600 --> 06:14:54,400
you want to check in with HR or or or

9403
06:14:52,480 --> 06:14:57,520
city attorney

9404
06:14:54,400 --> 06:14:59,920
uh and finance. If you come to me, uh I

9405
06:14:57,520 --> 06:15:01,360
I never say yes to anything without

9406
06:14:59,920 --> 06:15:03,520
checking the weight list because there

9407
06:15:01,360 --> 06:15:05,760
are existing obligations.

9408
06:15:03,520 --> 06:15:07,920
So again, everybody's budget request

9409
06:15:05,760 --> 06:15:09,440
matters. We don't lose it. Uh the only

9410
06:15:07,920 --> 06:15:12,718
but the only way to really prioritize

9411
06:15:09,440 --> 06:15:15,840
and get it on the list is to is is to

9412
06:15:12,718 --> 06:15:20,000
send it to me. So this is a budget year

9413
06:15:15,840 --> 06:15:22,160
2728 bianium. Uh right now you all are

9414
06:15:20,000 --> 06:15:25,120
talking about the possibilities and in

9415
06:15:22,160 --> 06:15:28,080
January we start tracking revenue around

9416
06:15:25,120 --> 06:15:30,480
June we will freeze where whatever

9417
06:15:28,080 --> 06:15:33,200
payroll has for existing staff existing

9418
06:15:30,480 --> 06:15:35,840
salaries we about that time is when we

9419
06:15:33,200 --> 06:15:38,480
start getting our benefit increases in

9420
06:15:35,840 --> 06:15:41,120
July we start asking uh uh all the

9421
06:15:38,480 --> 06:15:43,680
directors to look at their budgets now

9422
06:15:41,120 --> 06:15:45,920
they don't get any new money because

9423
06:15:43,680 --> 06:15:48,160
there is no extra money but we ask them

9424
06:15:45,920 --> 06:15:50,080
to tell us what existing

9425
06:15:48,160 --> 06:15:51,920
you know, obligations that we really

9426
06:15:50,080 --> 06:15:54,958
have to deal with and how we how we have

9427
06:15:51,920 --> 06:15:57,360
to juggle within our existing budget.

9428
06:15:54,958 --> 06:15:59,200
And then in September, uh, we have to

9429
06:15:57,360 --> 06:16:00,718
have staff, uh, and the city

9430
06:15:59,200 --> 06:16:03,280
administrator and the mayor come up with

9431
06:16:00,718 --> 06:16:04,638
a a balanced mayor's budget. There's no

9432
06:16:03,280 --> 06:16:06,798
such thing as a budget that we bring

9433
06:16:04,638 --> 06:16:09,680
that isn't balanced. That's when we

9434
06:16:06,798 --> 06:16:11,440
start up public study sessions and you,

9435
06:16:09,680 --> 06:16:13,200
as a governing body, will end up

9436
06:16:11,440 --> 06:16:16,080
adopting the mayor's budget with

9437
06:16:13,200 --> 06:16:18,958
whatever modifications you make. Uh we

9438
06:16:16,080 --> 06:16:20,718
usually try to get that uh adopted in

9439
06:16:18,958 --> 06:16:23,920
November so that we're in business

9440
06:16:20,718 --> 06:16:25,520
December uh 31st.

9441
06:16:23,920 --> 06:16:28,798
That's everything I have.

9442
06:16:25,520 --> 06:16:32,240
» Questions for uh Oh, there is Lydia.

9443
06:16:28,798 --> 06:16:34,000
» Yeah. Quick question. Is was the um

9444
06:16:32,240 --> 06:16:37,280
um obligations

9445
06:16:34,000 --> 06:16:37,760
were those um priority order? Okay.

9446
06:16:37,280 --> 06:16:39,200
Thank you.

9447
06:16:37,760 --> 06:16:42,240
» I wouldn't presume to make your

9448
06:16:39,200 --> 06:16:45,120
priorities. That's your job. [laughter]

9449
06:16:42,240 --> 06:16:47,280
» Well said. Um

9450
06:16:45,120 --> 06:16:49,040
um you guys make policy. Council, any

9451
06:16:47,280 --> 06:16:54,240
other questions?

9452
06:16:49,040 --> 06:16:57,440
» Yeah, Linda, speak that in March

9453
06:16:54,240 --> 06:16:58,558
commission for the

9454
06:16:57,440 --> 06:17:00,798
» Okay,

9455
06:16:58,558 --> 06:17:02,958
» Go ahead. Add to my list. And and is

9456
06:17:00,798 --> 06:17:05,680
that is that a weight list item or is

9457
06:17:02,958 --> 06:17:08,240
that an obligation? [laughter]

9458
06:17:05,680 --> 06:17:10,400
» That's not of our choosing or concern.

9459
06:17:08,240 --> 06:17:12,080
We have an an independent salary

9460
06:17:10,400 --> 06:17:14,320
commission for a reason.

9461
06:17:12,080 --> 06:17:16,320
Um, we'll say as far as to say that's

9462
06:17:14,320 --> 06:17:17,840
all I have to say about that. Um, all

9463
06:17:16,320 --> 06:17:20,718
right. Anything else you guys? Any other

9464
06:17:17,840 --> 06:17:23,440
questions? Okay. We have reached uh the

9465
06:17:20,718 --> 06:17:24,958
conclusion of the uh

9466
06:17:23,440 --> 06:17:26,958
the rich hearing. First, I just want to

9467
06:17:24,958 --> 06:17:28,638
say council, thank you. Thank you so

9468
06:17:26,958 --> 06:17:31,040
much. Thank you. So, we at the very

9469
06:17:28,638 --> 06:17:33,360
productive, positive conversation, very

9470
06:17:31,040 --> 06:17:36,160
respectful. Um, I'm really just a really

9471
06:17:33,360 --> 06:17:38,638
I'm I'm really proud uh to work with you

9472
06:17:36,160 --> 06:17:40,958
and and belong to this group with you.

9473
06:17:38,638 --> 06:17:42,878
Um, and thanks to staff for your time

9474
06:17:40,958 --> 06:17:45,360
and for your presentations. Thanks for

9475
06:17:42,878 --> 06:17:47,760
giving up your Saturday and also so very

9476
06:17:45,360 --> 06:17:50,718
much for quick thinking and uh, uh,

9477
06:17:47,760 --> 06:17:52,638
Thomas uh, great job it thank you so

9478
06:17:50,718 --> 06:17:54,480
much everybody. Thank you so much for

9479
06:17:52,638 --> 06:17:56,798
great work. Uh, thank you to the public

9480
06:17:54,480 --> 06:17:58,638
who came and today we work for you and

9481
06:17:56,798 --> 06:18:01,120
we appreciate your presence and a big

9482
06:17:58,638 --> 06:18:02,558
thanks to Dumispay staff uh, for hosting

9483
06:18:01,120 --> 06:18:05,718
us and for let's give them a big round

9484
06:18:02,558 --> 06:18:05,718
of applause.

9485
06:18:05,840 --> 06:18:11,200
Okay, Martin. All right. On behalf on

9486
06:18:09,120 --> 06:18:12,480
behalf of the city council, um I I just

9487
06:18:11,200 --> 06:18:15,360
want to say thank you to my colleagues

9488
06:18:12,480 --> 06:18:16,718
for uh working with me uh and bringing

9489
06:18:15,360 --> 06:18:18,798
up uh things that you want to see

9490
06:18:16,718 --> 06:18:21,600
covered at this council retreat. I look

9491
06:18:18,798 --> 06:18:24,400
forward to a more uh further dialogue in

9492
06:18:21,600 --> 06:18:26,638
in our respective committees. And I will

9493
06:18:24,400 --> 06:18:27,920
also echo what the mayor is saying. I I

9494
06:18:26,638 --> 06:18:29,360
think one thing I really value about

9495
06:18:27,920 --> 06:18:30,958
this council is that yeah, sure, we have

9496
06:18:29,360 --> 06:18:33,200
some disagreements, but we're incredibly

9497
06:18:30,958 --> 06:18:34,798
respectful of it. Uh, and what I like

9498
06:18:33,200 --> 06:18:36,718
about it is that if you listen really

9499
06:18:34,798 --> 06:18:38,160
hard, there's little nuggets where we

9500
06:18:36,718 --> 06:18:40,718
can kind of work together, and I really

9501
06:18:38,160 --> 06:18:42,480
value that tremendously. So, with that,

9502
06:18:40,718 --> 06:18:44,000
please, uh, feel free to go outside,

9503
06:18:42,480 --> 06:18:46,718
enjoy this. This is one of my favorite

9504
06:18:44,000 --> 06:18:48,718
spots in Fedaway, Dumis Bay, with a rich

9505
06:18:46,718 --> 06:18:49,680
uh, set of history. And with that, thank

9506
06:18:48,718 --> 06:18:53,240
you so much, Mayor.

9507
06:18:49,680 --> 06:18:53,240
» The meeting is adjourned.