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I know.

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» Can you guys hear me?

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Everybody come
and council that go forward. We'd like

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to welcome you to thisformational
session uh for what we have tonight for

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the um proposed data center. Um
everything is just proposed and what

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you're going to hear is what we're
looking to propose. Nothing has been

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decided. Nothing is nothing has been
signed. Nothing has been done. Um we're

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just in conversation and this is here
for you to collect information. There's

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a lot of information out there good and
bad on data centers. Um so what you're

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going to hear is their project and not
the projects that have been done 10

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years ago, five years ago, two years
ago. It's the project that they're

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proposing. Um so first I'd like to give
a little bit of background um for how

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this came about. Um I was approached u
the town was approached and I was

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approached on April 282nd or April 23rd.
Um and we had a meeting with uh the

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county officials uh which they had been
approached um by the um developers and

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they were interested in looking at a
study uh in Caroline County to be able

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to then facilitate a data center. Um
shortly after that um I had a chat with

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council. I thought it was confidential.
Apparently once it was released at the

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um legislative breakfast, uh Senator
Johnny and Commissioner Porter um had

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talked about it at the legislative
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um we had a meeting out at the um at the
site at the proposed site. Uh it was

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offered up to mayor and council um to
meet with the site to take a look to see

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what they were looking to do. Um and I
could make it because I work um and any

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other members of the council could not
attend. So I I was the one that attended

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it. Um so I would like to um the process
for any has been through any of this

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information before work. Um we went
through this with Aquacon. There is a

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two-stage process. There is one that is
legislation that makes something

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allowable and then there is two which is
the project itself moving forward. Um

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not equal the other. So if we were to
allow different regulations data

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[snorts] center, it doesn't mean that
this would be the problem that is going

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separate us. Uh just keep that in mind.
Um I'd like to um introduce um some

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speakers that we have tonight. Um we
have um Kelly Schulz to the CEO of the

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Maryland Tech Council. And then we have
David Reich and Sheldon

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Whoa. Okay. [snorts]
Um, so Dave and Michelle are going to be

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the ones that will be presenting. Um, so
we will go ahead and get started. I want

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to be here with Kelly.
>> Perfect. Thank you so much. Um, it's

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great to be here in Federal in Carol
County. So, just for the record, I don't

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have the projects. Um, I'm here just to
talk about data centers, what they are

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and what they are not, and some of the
facts that we've been able to accumulate

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over a period of time. The Maryland Tech
Council, and I'm sorry, is

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ahead. That's right. Um,
so the Maryland Tech Council last year,

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um, we had heard from
this. Yeah.

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Um we decided that there was a lot of
conversations happening around the role

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of data centers in the state of Maryland
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Um so a lot of people came to us policy
makers, community members, industry

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representatives to work asking us to
join to be able to create new um around

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people to educate communities and
elected officials on this topic because

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there was so much misinformation out
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last year, right on the sign last year,
we created what's called the data center

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alliance and we're a nonprofit
organization, we literally spend our

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time going around to different
communities talking about this type of

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information so that you can ask the
questions that you think need.

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So, I've given this presentation a lot.

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» I think maybe, but I'm not in control of
that. is can anybody turn the lights on

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so that they can see the screen?
I would need a different diploma in

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order to be able to manage that. Is that
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Is that good for everyone?
Okay, good. All right. So, we're going

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to start out about uh why the data
centers are in demand. I'm sure all of

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you know the answers to all these
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demand because we're demanding them.
We're demanding data. We're demanding an

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industry that is supportive of our
social lifestyle. So, think of

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everything that you do. Think of your
banking. Think of education. Thinking of

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shopping online. Everything that you do
today with those really smartphones and

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the computers and the ATMs and wherever
we go in the world today is collecting

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data. Right? In a long time ago, I
remember this because I'm super old. A

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long time ago, we used to have these
server rooms. So, if anybody could

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remember the server rooms in all the
office buildings, that was their data

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center back in the day. Now, we've just
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them into one big building. So, those
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rooms anymore into the office buildings
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They're sending their data to the cloud.
It's not up there. The cloud is actually

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the data center and what's happening
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you can see with some of these charts
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but over the course of the next 10 years
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AI which everybody thinks that's the
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we do in our world in order to be able
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the distribution and the consumption of
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And this is kind of what anybody plays
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or scrabble on your phone, right? All of
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share photos online. Somebody in the
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you're watching Netflix on your laptop,
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download it, it's taking up space in the
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that on my screen. So don't download the
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So a lot of what we've done with the
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Council is to be able to create some
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economic impact in local communities and
the state, but we're talking about an

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average size base,
right? So this is an average size data

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center. Let's just say 800,000 square
feet. And this is the total impact. on

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the average size aid center, the number
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economic activity, and the permanent
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that's probably not going to mean much
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you're going to know what that 800,000
square feet gate center could possibly

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look. So with that, let's just say 5,000
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then tax revenue that's created from
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for that average 800,000 square foot
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could theoretically make for 171 police
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in the county.
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or 165 teachers.
That's just how we break it down so

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people can conceptualize that. So what's
happening right now? We're going to get

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back to this, but what is happening
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to what wasn't happening in the city. We
have some members here from your local

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IDW. Are they here? Can you raise your
hand? The guys in the yellow shirts,

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they just got off the job site. They
came here. They probably all live in

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suburban county. They're probably not
working in the county right now. Am I

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correct, guys? Yeah. So right now
there's one project that's happening.

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There is an it's on the ground shovels
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water lines going in and that project is
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Quantum Frederick project. That's a
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David and Sheldon are going to be
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taking over Brown and Frederick County
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building multiple data centers on. So
this information I'm going to give you

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is kind of that information of what's
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comparison as to what could have
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purpose. I bet I could update this slide
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probably more than three or 400 um
prefabrication facilities that are hired

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right out of the county of Frederick
apprentichip classes. Frederick now has

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its first apprentichip program that
they've ever had because of the data

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center. And that means people are going
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in every single day. 240 apprentices.
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It's like the most ever apprenticeships
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all employed right now today.
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County project where we have people on
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for the county, not the state, will
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county tax revenues
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That's about a quarter of their current
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Let's talk about recreation taxes. I
know this is like way over my head

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sometimes, but I've gotten used to this
slide. Recreation taxes are what a

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jurisdiction, a county collects outside
of the state tax revenue, outside of

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your ongoing property tax records. This
is a one-time recreation tax for any

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real estate sale, whether it's
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In one year at Frederick County, they
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recreational taxes.
Your county may collect them

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differently. I don't know. I can't can't
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have statutoily in their budget how much
recreation taxes go to very specific

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programs. This in Frederick County is
how I have it broken up as the funding

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that goes into each one of these
programs. And I just want to point out

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one word and that's the 12.6 million in
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In 2025,
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the state that was able to put any land
in a preservation because the state cut

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off funding to a local community in St.
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Frederick County was aiming for 12.6 $60
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of land and to add preservation because
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And before [clears throat] I go on to
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is for anybody here that's a taxpayer
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course of the next three years, the
state budget according to state

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officials will be at about a$9 billion
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And that means if you're paying
attention, which tender you all are,

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that they're going to give you less
support going to local jurisdictions in

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those three years because they're going
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incorporate level.
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that I go into, you have to be prepared
at some level for even less funding to

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the local jurisdictions
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You have to make up that revenue of that
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Doing it with commercial development is
a whole lot easier on you as a taxpayer

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than them coming to the presidential tax
with that. Okay. So, we're going to talk

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a little bit about um some of the issues
that people talk about a lot when it

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comes to the data centers and it just
kind of dispels the myths. This is about

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the water issue. There's been a lot of
conversation about how much water this

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data center needs to be used. And I've
talked to lots and lots of developers

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all along the east coast. And what I can
tell you is all along the east coast,

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those developers really are not using
any of your water. They're not using the

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aqua field. There's something in the
case called the closed loop system. So

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the closed loop system works with local
jurisdictions in order to take water by

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water from the wastewater treatment
facility run it through the systems like

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your radiator right so it's cooling all
the the pipes and the servers and then

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that water once it's done cooling cycle
it goes back to the waste water

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treatment plant in order to be used so
that's what they're using right now I'll

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have the project team talk about what
their plans might be but that is typical

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for data centers on the east coast to
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divided by an average golf course, this
is a fact, an average golf course uses

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97% more water
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An almond farm, even more.
And by the way, we're at Maryland

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Technical.com and all of these reports
and the data and the facts are all cited

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on our website. So please visit the
Maryland Tech Council website and look

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that citation is there for you to work
on. So home races people also are

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concerned about the values of their
homes. I would say the one study that we

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reference frequently is from Len County
Virginia. Len county Virginia is the

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largest conglomeration of data centers
on the planet. There is no other place

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on earth that has more data centers than
their jurisdiction than countless. That

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goes back to the AOL times. that goes
back to L started the internet but their

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loan prices in L county where all the
data centers are are growing at a faster

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rate with the home prices than the rest
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So this is where the conversation starts
with you and your local governments,

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right? So
the county and the towns and the cities,

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they have all of these land tools at
their fingertips. So they can go through

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what those dart rails should be based on
the concerns of their local

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constituents. Right? So you can write in
there anything that you need into

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whatever zoning text or additional
statutory obligations that you might

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need that you might ask your county or
your local officials to look into it.

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Some of these are examples of what
certain need they don't have to be

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followed by anyone but they're examples
of what local jurisdictions have already

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done to be able to satisfy the concerns
of their constituents. One thing which I

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thought was great. They said that in
Frederick County with all of the

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invested we have no more than 1% of all
of our land in Frederick County

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will be able to be utilized as a data
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And so they created that statute that's
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But they also said for every 1 acre of
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five acres of that will be paid by the
developer to go into act preservation

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plan.
That way for county can continue to be a

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rural town. You can also put things in
there um for noise, right? So noise

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buffers, you can use tree plantings.
There's lots of different things that

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you can do in order to control the
future development of the industrial

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programs that are happening in your
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This is just an example of go through
this right now, but um the the noise

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decibb as what it means as people think
about how close data centers may or may

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not be to a populated area. You probably
have less of a risk out here in Carolyn

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than you would in other more populated
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without a doubt energy is a big deal.
The state of Maryland we are a net

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purchaser of energy. That means that we
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we actually need. So the cost of our
energy is going to higher with other

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states that produce their own energy. So
there's lots of conversations that are

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happening at the state level and in some
local levels about how do you anticipate

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the energy usage of these new commercial
industrial development sites. There's

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some legislation that says the living
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They're going to have to create an
energy supply and energy resource in

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order for them to be able to supply that
energy to where um they're going to be

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creating their energy. But in this year
in 2026 here uh passed by the house to

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the senate signed by governor the
utility relief act it is the intent of

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the general assembly that residential
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state should not bear the financial
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interconnecting to the electrical risk.
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can so that all of the costs that are
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high load users are borne by active
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residential use.
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there again if you go to our website
you'll be able to see the actual full

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studies on them that show that data
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electricity versus every time I say that
people want to build platform but I'm

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telling you it's the actual truth and
there are many studies from other

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jurisdictions around the country because
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of utility costs. It reduces the price
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how that works. And I'm happy to answer
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into what that actually looks like. But
we do have the studies from three

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different jurisdictions that talk about
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residential costs.
These are the three areas, Pacific

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Gardner. They cut their rates by 11%.
saying that was because they had the

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data centers come in who pay a higher
price already for energy. That's the

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law. They don't pay the same price for
their energy usage as we do. They

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already pay a higher price. And now in
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there's actually an additional terror
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able to supplement the use of not only
the penalty, but the renewal of new

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transition lines, any updates to the
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I'm done with
um I think it's really important um for

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us to have a dialogue. So again, I will
thank the mayor. I will thank the county

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commissioners and the town and the
county in and of themselves and all of

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you for being here to listen to this
presentation because there's a lot of

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actual information that's out there and
we just invite all of you to be educated

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residents and members of our community
in order to be able to ask those

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questions that are going to need most of
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That is not important.

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ladies and gentlemen
be the moderator tonight.

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First want to uh thank everyone for
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county council the state representatives
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we're going to give some guidelines for
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through meeting the moderator remain
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others are speaking. We also ask that
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forward. Details of this session will be
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At this time we will start with a
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the first present I believe is going to
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council
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okay so the first one's going to be MI
qualities presentation by David Wright

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and after have the other presenters.
Leave a hand circle.

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» All right. Well, thank you very much.
First off, thanks for inviting us here.

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I mean, this is your community
and we're guest.

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One of the things that my grandmother
used to say to me, England as I was a

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little kid, she used to say
it, people [clears throat] don't care

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about what you know
until they know how much you care.

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So what we're doing here today, myself
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the property and the pro.
The reason we're here today is because

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each one of you deserve to hear from us
what we

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200 acres of it. But that's why we're
that's why we're here.

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My background is I've spent 20 years in
corporate real estate in tech

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finance. I' I've participated in the
building of data centers and I can tell

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you some data centers that have been
built in retrospect are all the things

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that you've got data center the bad
things you hear about the rest

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what I'm here to share with you today is
that best

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and we're going to we're going to talk
to you about it. Now, there's some who

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are going to say, "You're a developer. I
don't believe you. Therefore,

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um, you know, why are you talking
about talking to each other? Developers

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lying
when they're moving their lips, right?"

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Okay. I've heard it. So, let's just get
together now. Okay. And let's have a

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little let's have a little conversation
about what we really intend to to do

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here. We're going to answer each one of
your questions. We're going to tell you

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what we're doing and we'll get into be
transparent. This isn't the first time

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this one town hall. We'll have as many
town halls as necessary so that you get

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comfortable with us and you can hear as
much information as as um as you

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You can tell I'm not a performer.
So feedback. All right. So let's go to

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the next next slide here.

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Would

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it be better if you just push the
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» I can. [laughter]

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I believe this

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scared.

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approved.

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Yes.

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David.

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Okay, I think we're

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All

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right. Thank you. Thank you.

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» All right.
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our team here today is uh Marcel and

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I'm going to give an opportunity to
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» Good evening everybody. Thank you all
for joining us. Um together with my

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partner Sh over there we are very
familiar with the shore. you've been uh

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now been working for about 10 years
across Eastern Shore. We really

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appreciate working with the the
employees that we work with and all the

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locals and uh when we picked this we
felt like Father would be a great place

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to build together and uh looking forward
to having your input and comments and

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we're here to answer all your questions.
David

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But
so we just do that. One of the things

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we'd like to do is we our purpose that
we want to demonstrate our fellow.

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So we're here talking
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If anybody is going to come to the
community, they should address you. No

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agenda,
but to talk to you. You deserve to have

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the questions or ask questions and have
them answer.

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Our commitment that we're making is that
our project will be thought with your

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feedback.
We will build [clears throat]

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responsibility
and he's not reversible. I know what

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building responsibly looks like and what
it doesn't look like. I've been in this

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industry for a long time now for the
last years particularly

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and we've done some great things and
we've done some things that we should be

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doing over but we're going to do a
we'll talk about that.

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We will invest in design
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environmental stewardship.
We'll get into more specifics about

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that.
We'll look to the construction

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on the community
and most importantly we will earn your

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trust.
If we don't have our trust, if we don't

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have what you think.
Next slide, please.

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So, what is
Phil is envisioned as a Michigan

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uh campus.
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But we also envisioned that there will
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job training,
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and onsite information.
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on the campus and we will design
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and account. Next slide. Thank you.

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So,
initially when we had the slide,

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it was boxes
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even though we don't have an official
plan, we wanted to show you a pictorial

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reference of what that would look like.
And the reason is because box is behind

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the fire.
We wanted to show you what we're

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thinking about essentially. This is not
improved design.

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This is far from there's a long road we
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you look at it up towards the top right
onsite generation, I'll tell you about

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that in a moment. You have mixed, you
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up front. You have greenhouse control
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and we've been consulting with food
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and we want to partner with them. I'll
tell you how we do that. In the middle

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is watering district. One of the things
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city and county is develop
infrastructure that is meaningful.

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I read every post on Facebook multiple
times and there were comments like they

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can't build that here. We don't have the
infrastructure.

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you are we don't have instruction

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but we can help

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and I'll tell you how
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bottom
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one that incur data center don't train
jobs but we're not just doing data

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center we're doing energy center we're
doing control the green houses

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we're doing
that there be a lot of uses on there but

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be compared

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but here's what I am going to tell you
it's not going to be your energy we will

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build an energy plant on site that is
not connected and grid will not increase

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your rates will not
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Um, yes. What's your name?

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» Oh my god.

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We're not going to use your name.
Here's another thing. We're not going to

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take the water because you can design
the data center to use almost zero water

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after the chart. You don't have to use
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We got to break it down. Show you
like that. This is the snow.

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Shake it. I used to get these as a kid.
The water in this bottle was placed

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there by somebody.
If you got one of these at home that was

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probably a good
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A closed fluid cooling system works much
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You charge up the system underneath
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Every once in a while you have to put a
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but it's almost negligible.
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next.

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So in the energy ecosystem,
you've heard you've heard every time I

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take a newspaper, every time I pick a
newspaper like oh my god,

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we're going to do it ourselves.
We will we will design, build, procure

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the systems.

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I'll tell you I'll tell you what the
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um I'll tell you what are you disagree
with me and that's okay that's okay

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because we we disagree but again process
process you'll have your opportunity to

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be your community and move online so
and thank you for that okay so let's

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just zoom through zoom
so your system

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water okay
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we'll We'll fix some water to charge
system charge and afterwards we're using

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uh close systems that don't need to
charge.

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things of that nature as normal people
uses. And then for the energy center, we

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will have we call a a dry cooling system
that'll use minimal block.

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So that's what we're intending to build
for this location.

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want to hear. We want to hear what
everybody has to say. But I'm going to

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repeat it again just in case just so
everybody hears this. We will bring our

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navigable water.
>> When it comes to the points, we will

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build first

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question,
but it's a good question.

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As far as lighting, we use lighting
technologies that aren't created by our

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community. And then as far as noise is
concerned,

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there's already an order in place that
says what the allowable noise level

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should be a
problem and and we will adhere without

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and accomplish that to burns
natural foliage bowels and other

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technologies. The other thing is some
other technologies will be closed

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facilities. So that make any noise. So
we're looking to do all the things that

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will result in the project that won't
have some of the negative impact that

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you're talking about the data center on
a regular basis.

432
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:38,400
Next slide.
So the question was what about benefits

433
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:44,480
one jobs?
>> One of the things the county said that

434
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:47,680
was a moment ago said was that many of
the people some of the people were here

435
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:51,520
for
more than an hour an hour and a half

436
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:57,839
jobs.
Our project will create jobs

437
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:03,440
at least 100 permanent jobs in the dat
center and another 60 jobs for the

438
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:10,119
energy center. Those will be jobs right
here in federal and these are good jobs.

439
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:48,960
So back to construction.
So permanent jobs

440
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:54,160
up to 160 construction jobs during the
construction period

441
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:59,359
400 to 600 phase over the over the time
you apply ahead. Many of those will be

442
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:05,920
going to
be able to speak to other um

443
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:12,079
businesses will be able to expand their
businesses. Restaurants will be able to

444
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:18,480
serve um an increase.
So that I that

445
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:26,000
is start out. One of the things that
I've seen like in the study is that when

446
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:31,280
the investment comes down at least three
to four jobs get created by our

447
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:38,720
ecosystem and so over time that can be a
thousand jobs here in and around level

448
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:44,880
third if not more.
We talked about

449
00:57:40,799 --> 00:57:51,680
um tax I've been used to. So
what I where I what I shame you is in

450
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:57,359
rural times just like
I shame billions of dollars flowing to

451
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:02,079
the city in revenue. I've seen the
county millions of dollars flowing to

452
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:08,960
now. I've seen counties now that are
reporting jobs in the thousands. Okay.

453
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:15,200
And we're in the phase of supply doesn't
inter all at once. It will phase over

454
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:21,119
time and you'll see the grad grow. We'll
invest in programs for balcony. We'll

455
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:26,160
invest in STEM programs for schools for
science, technology, engineering, and

456
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:33,760
math. We'll invest in programs in the
community college so that the best here

457
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:37,480
doesn't have to go with it.
does a good job.

458
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,640
» Next slide.

459
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:52,240
And this is our this is our plan. I
understand that people are really

460
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:57,200
charged up about
what

461
00:58:53,760 --> 00:59:03,839
wherever they think will happen here in
you should be. This is your battle

462
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:09,200
county.
We have no issue with you standing up

463
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:13,440
and demanding that, you know, developers
being accountable for for what we're

464
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,000
going to what we're planning to build
here. You're going to be involved in the

465
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:22,160
process. Your leaders could be involved
in the process. This is not going to

466
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:28,559
happen.
You come here first and talk to you.

467
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:33,760
There's no end. There's nothing. You
chose to come to class you first

468
00:59:31,599 --> 00:59:40,319
and it will go through a process and you
will have every opportunity to be heard

469
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:44,480
and we value your freedom. We value
individually. You know, we're looking at

470
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:51,599
this like a marriage, not like anything.
This is like a mirror. Everyone

471
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:57,760
is going to last. Quite frankly, that's
in 1700. He started as a an out of

472
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:04,960
trading. Then the railroad came became a
regional industrial center.

473
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:10,319
And then through agriculture to food
manufacturing,

474
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:15,680
you supported many important factors
throughout the United States of America.

475
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:19,079
What can we build
someplace else?

476
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:32,119
50 50 billion devices
and insurg

477
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,319
is out there market

478
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:52,400
I want to benefit from that and you can
I understand the club

479
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:58,000
but I'm here to tell you today and
hopefully next week and not for now

480
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:04,319
going continue on tour together
that you will see a benefit of that.

481
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:08,000
We're talking about millions of dollars
of capital flowing on the federal

482
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:13,599
authority that can help you with the
things that are most important to you.

483
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:17,280
Yes, there'll be some tradeoffs, but I
guarantee you those trade-offs will give

484
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:24,280
you something because we have talked
about them ahead of time

485
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:24,280
and we will work it out.

486
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,920
I'm sorry.

487
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:44,599
» Um, there's somebody else that question.

488
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,319
» Oh, hold on. Hold on. Everybody get your
opportunity. Everybody get your

489
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:57,319
opportunity.
between

490
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:15,359
our presentation and I really appreciate
that person

491
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:19,920
that this is a charish topic and we're
going to go to the Q&A and we'll answer

492
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:25,599
any questions that uh that you want to
ask and we'll do so let's Friday.

493
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,319
So, I'm going to give the mic back to
the facilitator and then we'll start the

494
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:31,319
Q&A

495
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,000
starts

496
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,760
the mayor. So first

497
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,920
you like to come up and make any
comments or any questions.

498
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:30,400
So, Carolina County 2025 planning
commission staff report said that the

499
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:37,280
industrial department where you're
interested building this as utility,

500
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:44,000
but it doesn't address
what your slide shows. Can you tell us

501
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:49,640
what the current available
order and store capacity is for what

502
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,640
you're

503
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:57,559
apologize? Can you hear it now?

504
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:12,000
Carolina County's 2020 park planning
commission staff report says the

505
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:18,079
industrial park has utilities in place
but it does not address

506
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:22,880
the capacity.
Can you tell us what the current

507
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:29,920
available electric water and sewer
capacity is? cognit shift per project

508
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:35,599
will require a phase one and full
buildout and whether taxpayers or

509
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:40,720
utility customers will bear any of the
upgraded costs and I know you address

510
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:47,280
some of that in your spill here but I
know there's different phases of this as

511
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:50,920
the project if the project is approved
there's different phases

512
01:04:54,640 --> 01:05:02,240
So I'll ask
question

513
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:07,839
there will not be any customer or
community related cost associated with

514
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:11,240
sorting uh supporting product from a
utility standpoint.

515
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:21,280
The design is self-contained
so that it it doesn't have an impact on

516
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:26,880
you as far as the volume is concerned.
Um, we don't have plans that have been

517
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:30,359
engineered simply because we don't get
to have a problem.

518
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:38,480
But as we go through the process, we can
make sure that everybody has an

519
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:44,720
opportunity to understand the the
project, the plan, and to be heard. But

520
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:51,799
I want to say it again.
We're not asking Fathersburg or County

521
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,799
to support the project.

522
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:07,520
I think it's about the
All right.

523
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:13,280
All right.
Has an independent California impact

524
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:20,319
assessment been completed for this type
of project that evaluates potential

525
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:25,520
effects of nearby residents from
continuous equipment noise, backup

526
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:30,799
generator emissions, diesel fuel
storage, cooling systems, and

527
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:36,799
construction activity? If so, will that
assessment be made public? And if not,

528
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:41,480
will the developer commit to finding one
before any approvals or grans?

529
01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:49,760
» Thank you, council. Um, I will say on
the upcoming there are no current

530
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:54,400
studies um for anywhere around the
country. I will say there has been a

531
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:59,440
study that has been commissioned by the
state of Virginia for Le County to do

532
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:05,920
some studies there. And then the state
of Maryland, the legislature passed a

533
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:10,400
bill last year,
a year and a half ago, that was passed

534
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:14,880
by the legislature, vetoed by the
governor, overridden, was this past

535
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:22,640
legislative session by the legislature
to do a study for the state of Maryland.

536
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:27,280
that was scheduled to be um uh released
on September 1st. But last I heard from

537
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:33,200
the agencies, the state agencies that
are doing the study um Senator, it's the

538
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:37,119
University of Maryland, it is MT and
it's MEA that are conducting the study.

539
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:43,039
It should be later than October for what
we hear, but there's no other health uh

540
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:47,200
studies that have seen.
And I just want to follow along with you

541
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:51,599
because you keep referencing county
Virginia and I just want to say that

542
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:58,359
counselor is one of their leading
policies of health disparities there. So

543
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,359
just anything.

544
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:13,119
» So I think one of the things that the
question was asking for was whether

545
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:20,640
there specific um studies that you're
doing on site or related and so part of

546
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:29,120
the process that we will go through will
address that. any air missions um you

547
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:36,199
know water use traffic that natur
the process that will go through those

548
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:36,199
and we made available publicity

549
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:56,640
is uh
We would submit the plans to the city to

550
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:01,600
the county. They would review the plans
and then there would be a public hearing

551
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:06,400
regarding the plan. So there's nothing
that would be passed without the public

552
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:13,640
being notified and having the
opportunity to come and ask questions

553
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,640
and and provide feedback.

554
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:29,839
If this project
and it's whatever it's doing, whatever

555
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:36,400
it's doing is delayed, downsized, sold,
abandoned, or fails at any point from

556
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:42,640
phase one through full buildout. What
legally binding financial protections

557
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:46,799
are in place to ensure that the town of
Federalsburg and its residents are not

558
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:52,080
responsible for unfinished
infrastructure, utility upgrades,

559
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:59,239
environmental cleanup, site restoration,
or any other project related costs? And

560
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:59,239
how will those protections be enforced?

561
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:13,640
That's a big big question. All I have to
say is this.

562
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:24,880
I have yet to see a data center that is
properly available here

563
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:30,000
leaving the the town and the county to
to clean up. There's processes for that

564
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:36,880
as well. um that will be part of the
negotiated agreement between the

565
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:43,679
developer and the manager plus the city
county and there's a process to work

566
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:54,120
that out to ensure that equity is that's
met with the builders the operators and

567
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:54,120
the um county and the city

568
01:10:56,719 --> 01:11:04,159
» I don't think my question totally answer
it there. Um, that was more so I wanted

569
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:08,159
to know what was your plan if that was
to happen. Um,

570
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:15,280
type things were going to be in place
for that. But my question all my last

571
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:20,880
well my last question slash thinking is
the type of tax breaks that you would

572
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:25,360
get from bringing into the type of town
that is

573
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:33,320
you get all types of tax breaks for
coming here and building

574
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:33,320
here it's not a real big deal

575
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:44,400
I want to say that um and as far as the
There's a lot of temporary construction

576
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:51,440
jobs that comes with building a data
center permanent job. How many people

577
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:57,120
around actually have jobs related to a
data center truthfully and how many jobs

578
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:02,719
will bring people work outside of here
to actually work and are there housing

579
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:07,920
opportunities here in to house those
independent? Those are the type of

580
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:14,600
questions that realistically I want to
answer and not hypothetically or blow

581
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,600
our heads up.

582
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:31,719
» So let me answer this very
straightforward.

583
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,719
I've been building data center.

584
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:37,760
I'm going to tell you what I've seen not
hypothetically.

585
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:44,719
What I've seen is is that on the data
center built there yes about 6 to 800

586
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:49,679
even more companies temporary jobs in
the form of trades and what have you.

587
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Let me tell you what those jobs are.
security,

588
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:58,640
transportation, distribution, metal
fabrication, type of electricians,

589
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:06,560
experience
and and those who are coming up from all

590
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:12,719
kinds of I'm not electrician,
law enforcement,

591
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:18,640
road and transportation development,
utility companies,

592
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:24,159
um you name it. And there's all kinds of
jobs. The one things I said I was very

593
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:29,360
serious is we are going to invest in job
training

594
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:34,560
and know that job training I see the job
training degree

595
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:39,840
technical right on down for less
position. So potentially jobs for every

596
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:45,679
type of person that would like to find a
job at site. Okay.

597
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:52,960
And and that's the truth. That's the
truth. I join with those young days what

598
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:57,840
we call the country and I can tell you
there's examples of Mississippi just go

599
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:02,080
on Facebook and look at Mississippi and
what they have to say about the data

600
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:09,760
that are there Jackson County is saying
my god this is breaking job training

601
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:16,800
jobs new housing developments new growth
um align it with the with the colleges

602
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:22,000
here so that they have place to go once
they graduate that real life story in

603
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:25,600
Michigan with Google
the same the same thing I've seen this

604
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,880
done again and again and again I've seen
the bill I've seen that in my own eyes

605
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:35,920
and my own experience
so but you can believe

606
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:39,920
or you know you can question and you
should question that but how are you

607
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:46,000
doing
that's what I observe I'm a legendary

608
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:53,120
military profession Here's
the other thing. I'm the father of a

609
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:58,320
cancer survivor and also like a son lost
wife of cancer.

610
01:14:55,199 --> 01:15:02,960
This is not something that I play with.
Okay. If I thought that this was going

611
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:07,040
to put on, it's not something that I
would be investing my life in because

612
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:11,400
this is something there's other dudes
that I need to go do. So

613
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:20,560
well okay all I can tell you all I can
tell you is that

614
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:26,560
when when I usually do my work is based
on my experience

615
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:32,840
based on as a professional as a father
as a health

616
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,840
just like you

617
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:37,640
Are you looking at how much

618
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:49,640
you want to follow
any other town?

619
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:02,320
I got five questions for you. First one
you see this is supposed to consist of

620
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:07,159
pl water there quite a few houses down
well surrounding area that run well bel

621
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:17,719
run dry how are the residents that are
not compensated andor

622
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,640
some way shape pool, right?

623
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:36,320
You have a lot of little around here, a
lot of

624
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:39,640
If you come down and you say, "Hey,
look, my

625
01:16:53,520 --> 01:17:05,400
I think it's a good question.
I'll tell you that from I don't mind to

626
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:05,400
tell you and I'll tell you

627
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:15,440
there's there's a lot of reasons to go
into hydraology and what have you. So I

628
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:19,679
think if there's an issue like that, the
first thing they're going to want to do

629
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:24,800
is to study the issue and determine what
the cause is

630
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:30,480
because as proposed the assumption is
that the data center is problem. You

631
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:38,159
know, somebody's about to go to go,
right? So the thing that we can promise

632
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:43,679
is that if a situation like that arose
you issue along with the city in the

633
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:49,440
county understand what the issue is and
then if there was causation and it could

634
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:54,080
be applied to where to cause the the
situation

635
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:59,199
but it's I can't answer just to say if
the dates was caused that because we

636
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,199
would be working very hard

637
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:14,000
So my next question is on
you said

638
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:17,120
I eat natural gas.
You guys are going to be high natural

639
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:21,120
gas. You guys are going to be consuming
a lot of natural gas. Where are you

640
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:24,640
going to get your natural gas from? How
is that going to affect the price of

641
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:32,120
natural gas for people that can use
those people? I can go to the city. I

642
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,120
can bump up the people without

643
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:44,400
» So,
so this is a this is a really

644
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:47,920
interesting question. Why not make sure
gas

645
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:54,840
a lot of natural gas systems for
commercial industrial operation industry

646
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,840
um we've been cons

647
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:22,480
And I mean I see some nodding heads, but
I used to design utility rates for

648
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:28,239
Pacific Gas and Light in California. And
I know this true that as volume goes up,

649
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:34,000
infrastructure costs will spread across
more volume and the rates come down and

650
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:40,360
that is how natural gas. So there'll be
more natural gas lower cost than less

651
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,360
natural gas.

652
01:19:41,554 --> 01:19:43,574
» [clears throat]

653
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,800
» I love

654
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:55,679
so
are there going to be current structure

655
01:19:52,719 --> 01:20:00,480
or these mobile sites? I've seen lots of
interesting things come up where they

656
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:08,440
say these are temporary or bring
flatbeds and next thing you know you got

657
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:08,440
five or six more coming in that one.

658
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:20,719
So we don't understand what they call
generation.

659
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:27,520
Um because there's there's you know
there's well they're in construction

660
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:33,040
generation during the per construction
until you can get the plant up and

661
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:39,199
running and that'll be for about 24
months or so. And so you have that on a

662
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:44,400
temporary basis that's a permanent
Electricity would come from efficient

663
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:50,080
technologies like fuel cells.
If you want to learn more about SH,

664
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:55,679
but there are zero jobs, zero socks, low
carbon. And so when you're employing

665
01:20:52,480 --> 01:21:01,400
kind of technology and then Brooklyn use
what they call the cycle of turbines

666
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,400
assistant

667
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:10,320
generation and we're looking to take
heat that comes off of the stack that's

668
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:15,440
missions and we use that for cooling to
use that for heating and cooling. Um,

669
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:20,239
one of the things that we've looked at
is I have a shingling district in

670
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:25,120
concert of the city that provide tolling
as well as feeding um within a certain

671
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:28,560
radius of the site. And so those are
kind of things that we're we're looking

672
01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:36,280
at. We're looking at every opportunity
to um use low high efficient low

673
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,280
emission technologies.

674
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:46,880
You have two more. So the average data
center increases the soil temperature

675
01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:53,199
between 5 and 10° such an increase in
the industrial park already.

676
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:57,560
This also flows to farmland and directly
affect crops. How's this going to be

677
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,560
mitated?

678
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:13,440
So acknowledge that there are reports
that say that data centers with service

679
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:18,560
have um a huge impact on on so we're not
we're not distributing that. So that's a

680
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:24,239
that's a report from a reputable
organization that

681
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:30,800
one of the reason that is because of
what he did on the air and so you know

682
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:36,880
you can call you can call
which whichever but that's what happens

683
01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:40,800
what we're looking to do is to recapture
those emissions and use them in

684
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:44,239
production processes I'll give you an
example

685
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:49,840
if you take the emissions from a
generation source and you run it through

686
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:57,440
a thermal energy system
um using thermal energy storage. It'll

687
01:22:53,840 --> 01:23:02,560
it'll store at 1800° cent and you can
actually direct that for merchant uses.

688
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:07,679
You can use it for metal fabrication.
You can use it in

689
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:11,679
you can use it for other uses. You can
heat you can heat a pool. You can do a

690
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:16,480
lot of things with that heat to
repurpose it. And as a result there's

691
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:21,840
thus perm the mission to reduce the
initial streams by by quite a bit as

692
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:28,760
much as you know 70%
through others and we would be working

693
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,760
to use use those type of technologies

694
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:39,440
» a lot.
Um so is there

695
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:43,840
a set level for noise solution in terms
of decibels? What about subsonic

696
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:47,280
infrasound?
Um this has been shown to cause

697
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:52,239
manuverable health impacts. How should
you monitor and work the recourse if

698
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:55,920
that's too high as well as the health
impacts? How are you follow up with

699
01:23:54,159 --> 01:24:00,520
somebody who says I have headaches or I
have whatever but it's caused by

700
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,520
pursuit.

701
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:16,400
So here's
I was asked to look into things like um

702
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:20,719
EMS right there
and

703
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:25,600
what the status found was that yes
people certain areas were having they

704
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:32,480
didn't find a causation between some of
the things that were going on cancer.

705
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:37,040
One of the studies came out that um the
electromagnetic waves from your cell

706
01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:42,400
phone and your microwave that were more
powerful than BMS that were being um

707
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:47,120
exhibited from things like transmission
towers. Now are there things in science

708
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:53,199
that you know kind of fly on the radar?
Absolutely. I mean um I I assume that

709
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:57,280
that would be a church but but here's
the [clears throat] thing.

710
01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:03,840
There are people out there who are
studying like things like infrared and

711
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:07,760
subsonic and things of that nature and
as the technologies improve we'll become

712
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:15,199
more aware of those things but today
there isn't any studies that say if you

713
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:22,000
do this subine or infrared will impact
you in this way

714
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:26,080
but if people do complain say look we're
you should take those things seriously

715
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:30,520
and always look into it the
technology you have over

716
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:41,920
terms of safely the site is secure other
planes or do other sites currently use

717
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:48,960
while cameras. So these cameras can
monitor our vehicles personnel as well

718
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:54,199
as their travel and coordinate where
they are going against their

719
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:54,199
constitutional rights.

720
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:10,080
So privacy is a real concern
and I will tell you this we have every

721
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:18,320
right to be concerned about your
engineers are our youth. I can tell you

722
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:24,159
that or is not associated with, you
know, trapping tracking. only cameras

723
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:28,960
that only would be would be for secure
areas and for the traffic that would

724
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:34,560
actually be going within the technology
centers themselves. And those are neatly

725
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:40,480
pointed at cars as they're constructed
between and exhale. Um there's no reason

726
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:45,520
for the panelist
externally to the community or what have

727
01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:51,040
you. It would be open to secure defense
line in those coming into the data

728
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:54,040
center or going out or other secure
areas.

729
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:05,320
» My last question, I'm a fan of Have you
ever seen the movie

730
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:05,320
There Willow?

731
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,520
Um I know that you've already said

732
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:36,199
are you prepared to mention any kind of
environmental impact assessments

733
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:36,199
specifically about the local ecosystem

734
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:44,440
and if so um you
I'm assuming that available

735
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:58,800
» um environment studies are usually
things associated with large diagnosis

736
01:27:55,679 --> 01:28:01,800
if you if you build a large material
interface

737
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:13,440
through the federal energy regulatory
machine that includes a what they call

738
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:18,719
study. It's essentially an UG study on
impacts to the environment and there's

739
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:25,040
one super deep and there's one that's
not based upon initial findings and so

740
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:30,320
those those phes required by the state
those type of studies for our project

741
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:35,520
because it's so localized our stud is
called it's called EAS phase one and

742
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:40,800
that stands for you know it's
environmental um

743
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:46,800
is an environmental report that covers
things like um you know heritage. Are

744
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:53,440
there any remains from you know native
you know destinations? Um are there any

745
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:59,920
animal effects? Is there any um impact
on flora you know waterways

746
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:05,280
that nature? um as part of that, you
know, things like geotech and all those

747
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:11,280
kind of things. And so, um the previous
owner has done that, but you know, we

748
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:18,600
could do that again for our specific
project and make that available to the

749
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,600
city for reviewing.

750
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:29,840
Um, currently federal work is not police
department and our law enforcement needs

751
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:36,000
are being currently met by our county
sheriff and the state police. Uh, we

752
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:39,840
also rely on a volunteer fire department
that is experiencing a declining

753
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:45,120
membership.
Given the real possibility of increased

754
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:50,000
security risks and high emergency
preparedness needs, what system

755
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:54,480
commitments are you prepared to make
regardless of security, physical

756
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:58,760
security, coordination of local and
county emergency response needs?

757
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:11,280
» Sorry. So typically in a high-tech
campus, you'll have your own security

758
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:16,000
force that services the campus and they
coordinated with local law enforcement.

759
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:21,360
Now what you saying is that your local
law enforcement is fairly slim. So as

760
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:26,080
part of the training benefit agreement,
that's one of the things that we talk

761
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:32,800
about and say what makes sense in terms
of how we collaborate and cooperate. I

762
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:40,080
wonder if they talk about tax
um the tax available to just the city of

763
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:46,960
as well as the county the sheriff of the
county police city. um that active could

764
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:52,800
certainly be used you know in that
capacity and that's subject to that's

765
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:56,040
subject to discussions between you know
the the city

766
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:05,159
I can also tell you this and companies
that I've worked

767
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:13,760
with equipment and other types of issues
so I think we need to register

768
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:25,688
And obviously most likely council
members questions some of them have been

769
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:30,080
sort of touched on and I'm not going to
[clears throat] keep

770
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:34,440
questions out there. I think this is a
question that everybody kind of listen.

771
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:41,600
Yeah. Lots of different options on these
Wi-Fi.

772
01:31:39,679 --> 01:31:44,600
» Yes.
That's

773
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,560
» so

774
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,239
other than

775
01:31:58,719 --> 01:32:06,800
» I'll tell you why both qualitatively and
quantitatively

776
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:14,800
quantitatively
because there's things for in terms of

777
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:22,560
land zoning ordinance. Um who don't like
to be next to or don't like to be next

778
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:28,239
to um you know adjacent to rural not
residential because of the impact that

779
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:34,000
it potentially has on homes. And so we
look for things like offers um and also

780
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:38,639
things like you know rogues access and
those kind of things trust you know um

781
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:45,360
the data center themselves have a
classification on where they actually to

782
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:52,719
be. One of those is is there a is there
a workforce that they can invest in and

783
01:32:49,040 --> 01:33:02,040
and build um is there you know can you
get jobs through the college district

784
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:02,040
and other things right and so quantif

785
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:11,360
because of you know all the things that
we look for exterior and industrial zone

786
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:17,040
um piece of land we're
of the partial eye is some today

787
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:21,624
industrial tube and if you look at
design in industrial tube the things

788
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:26,239
that can be put there are pretty amazing
[snorts]

789
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:30,480
you put a plant area instead of you know
um R&D chemical and you know different

790
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:34,719
things of that nature and we're not
looking to do anything of that nature um

791
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:41,719
we're actually looking to use
technologies that have minimal that have

792
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:41,719
minimal impact Okay,

793
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:48,159
» you know, just because a [snorts] city
meets certain criteria

794
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:53,040
doesn't mean that you're going to go
investing a billion dollars there.

795
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:56,880
The reason you invest in a billion
dollars because you think it would be a

796
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:02,880
good investment. Like somebody said
earlier, well, what if what if you get

797
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:08,960
left is your leftovers.
Um I don't know on the planet somebody

798
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,520
does10 billion dollars and grows a large
campus project at the scale that is

799
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:17,760
critical to a lot of things we do plus
our national security and then just

800
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:25,040
vacating
um so

801
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:31,199
um yeah so
if you look at in 1700

802
01:34:29,440 --> 01:34:40,159
found
came the railroads came in 1800s

803
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:44,239
and it became a regional verdict.
the world today is one of the way

804
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:48,560
technology
the the next evolution of the next

805
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:54,080
evolution is to figure out how to
integrate with technology even if you

806
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:58,239
don't buy into data centers you still
have to think about this and I think

807
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:01,440
about this and and you know if I can
just speak there from my personal

808
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:07,760
experience
you know when I think about my six days

809
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:13,840
they're facing the world of technology
and um and and you know that's the

810
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:20,080
that's the reality and I want them to
have a good job. I want them to be able

811
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:28,000
to embrace their future line and to have
options for their careers. And

812
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:31,639
has that opportunity to do exactly to do
exactly that

813
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:49,280
much
in terms of you know, complain about

814
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:54,480
water. Um, I saw on Facebook
that, you know, here it is that we want

815
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:58,159
to come and offer a solution to partner
with the city or county to build our

816
01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:02,560
infrastructure. Um, that is an
opportunity through a community benefit

817
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:09,280
agreement that is on the table. So, this
is what I ask before everyone just says,

818
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:13,120
"No, at least consider what is put on
the paper and the commitments they're

819
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:18,800
making and trust your leadership. to
show up and like you did tonight and let

820
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:24,120
your voice be heard and and let's get to
something that is meaningful for

821
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,120
everybody together.

822
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:38,181
» Are you just or you ask
questions? [laughter]

823
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,120
council

824
01:36:51,679 --> 01:37:00,520
member and a resident. I have a lot of
concerns.

825
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,520
I have a lot of

826
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:07,320
questions about the you

827
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:17,040
environment that they affect the garden
and how

828
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:23,280
um the um
electricity

829
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:29,600
» um that was a goodation
and everything and the setup

830
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:33,679
Your presentation was wonderful, but
benefit

831
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:39,760
from coming into those. You're telling
us all the good things that Pebblesburg

832
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:45,679
will benefit but we can't can you
guarantee us 100%

833
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:51,600
that there will not be any environmental
issues that there will not be any noise

834
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:57,760
issues that there will not be any power
outages that it will not be any gas

835
01:37:54,639 --> 01:38:03,280
problem that it will not affect us the
community in the citizens and resident

836
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:03,280
of

837
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,840
Yes or no?

838
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,040
» No.

839
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:36,480
So the answer is is no. Can I can I say
there be any problem? large develop

840
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:41,360
I can say
deliciously the city if there's any

841
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:46,000
issues that would come up we do
monitoring systems and things like that

842
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:50,159
that in place so that way
you are when they do have to address

843
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:55,440
them straight away but at this point we
don't even have so we have a community

844
01:38:53,679 --> 01:39:00,440
so we're just going to put things in
place so that those things do not occur

845
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,440
Any

846
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:05,239
other

847
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,360
committee?

848
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:22,159
So, so the commitment, so the commit, so
the commitment to develop is that we

849
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:28,080
will follow
guidelines set out by the city and the

850
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:33,960
county and that we go
that meets why you as a city council

851
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,960
member

852
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:37,960
and there

853
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:51,639
would be to build to the standards badly
Or it was just for

854
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:51,639
anesthetic.

855
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,920
And then

856
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,440
the back

857
01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:19,440
or

858
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:28,679
Are there any space here?

859
01:40:33,119 --> 01:40:37,400
» All right, we start first

860
01:40:38,639 --> 01:40:46,199
of
the first one is Peggy P.

861
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,440
Is there any budget?

862
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,080
And everybody

863
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:13,920
» based on everything I've heard and
everything that I've done in research

864
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:20,320
with regards to myself, I personally
believe that the county should make a

865
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:28,760
decision. Us as residents, the entire
federal and county should vote on this.

866
01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:28,760
» Yes. on a ballot along with clockwise.

867
01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:10,159
And we pay our tax for the town. We
should decide what we want in this town.

868
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:14,040
We stand up.
He has to blow away.

869
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,639
question is from 20

870
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:53,840
So I did a quick Google search
on negative impact of data centers on

871
01:42:49,679 --> 01:43:00,320
communities in LA County.
Does this work or what Dr. Google had to

872
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:06,000
say?
Data centers

873
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:11,520
strain loudly infrastructure due to
massive water consumption, noise

874
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:17,520
pollution from cooling systems and
backup generators and degraded air

875
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:24,880
quality. Furthermore, they drive up
residential electricity grades to fund

876
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:30,880
required grid upgrades and push out
other commercial developments.

877
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:36,320
Key impacts among local communities,
grid strain, and rising utility bills.

878
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:41,600
Data centers in Northern Virginia
consume vast amounts of electricity,

879
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:48,000
leading to massive infrastructure
upgrades that are leased directly to

880
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:53,679
local gray conveyors. Dominion Energy
projects, sorry, project significant

881
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:59,280
increases in monthly residential bills
to pay for these new transmission lines.

882
01:43:56,560 --> 01:44:06,719
Water consumption facilities place a
heavy burden on municipal water systems

883
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:12,719
for server cooling in LA data center
water use has more than doubled in

884
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:17,360
recent years straining regional drinking
water supplies.

885
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:23,199
noise and air pollution. Loud residents
near us and areas like Sterling

886
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:29,119
frequently import constant low frequency
homes and high pitch wines from rooftop

887
01:44:26,480 --> 01:44:34,960
units. Additionally, the hundreds of
onsite emergency diesel and gas

888
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:40,159
generators emit harmful
cos such as nitrogen oxides and

889
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:47,960
particulate
when running during outages. The man

890
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:47,960
response event or contin.

891
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:24,560
Hello everybody. Um, my name is I live
in Northchester County, but I spend

892
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:28,480
about half of my 18 hours a year.
With all due respect, So you don't know

893
01:45:26,639 --> 01:45:33,600
the ones that we are actually working
with with representatives. All the

894
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:39,159
wonderful promises that you make, you're
not the ones that are actually going to

895
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:39,159
have to follow through on that.

896
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:49,320
» I don't think that a data center is the
solution to the monetary debt that we

897
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:49,320
are in

898
01:45:53,520 --> 01:46:00,719
any temporary relief.
which has resulted from potential

899
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:05,520
mismanagement for crippling long-term
and irreversible contamination and

900
01:46:03,119 --> 01:46:10,880
corruption of our natural rural
community and culture

901
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:15,679
non-stop and this noise light pollution.
We all live out here. We have all homes

902
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:20,639
out here because it's quiet. We can see
the night sky. There will be an impact

903
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:24,400
on them to some degree regardless of
what you're trying to put in place.

904
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:28,960
Again, we don't know that that's
actually going to happen. The EPA has

905
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:32,840
not always protected us from things like
this. Um,

906
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:46,800
Yeah, we need to heard about that. Um,
the EPA is not going to always protect

907
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:52,080
us and stuff like that. When these do
happen, there's only so much that

908
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:56,400
they're going to do quickly and by the
time that all the studies are done, we

909
01:46:54,000 --> 01:47:01,320
talked about doing studies,
they fail their loopholes to get out of

910
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:01,320
them.

911
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:13,119
A lot of
invitation of abuse besides exaggerated

912
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:16,840
monetary change. What do they actually
have to offer us?

913
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:56,880
background on the audience. Okay, this
is

914
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:59,880
and we're short. We don't like short
hall.

915
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:15,560
Everybody agree 100% public safety. We
lost our police. So we don't have a lot

916
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,560
of custo

917
01:48:18,985 --> 01:48:21,005
[clears throat]

918
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:38,719
taxpayers
we should have pretty good

919
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:42,565
infrastructure going on but I
>> so

920
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:44,585
good luck
>> [laughter]

921
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:10,560
» So, I got two questions here. The first
one was for you. You're saying that this

922
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:16,400
is a um you're bringing your own power
which um that can be okay and not at the

923
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:20,639
same time because depending what you're
burning up in the air is going to

924
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:25,040
reflect all of you guys and I'm from
southern Virginia. I've been here about

925
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:30,159
three years now. So I can see the
difference between western Maryland and

926
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:33,360
eastern Maryland because it's the same
as Virginia and West Virginia because

927
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:40,080
they're two different states in case you
guys did not know that. But the question

928
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:44,320
pertain to you is are you how can we how
can we ensure that they're not going to

929
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:49,880
be polluted by the diesel fumes for the
turbines that are going to be running on

930
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:49,880
these data centers

931
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:04,441
is so first let me tell you how to
design it be um the first hour we're

932
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:10,560
going to show cells it's a zero
[clears throat] person

933
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:15,840
and cargo. So right there, if you're
from West Virginia, you're from West

934
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:21,920
Virginia, you know,
a lot of problems.

935
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:27,040
» But it's a cold town
>> and it's a company

936
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:33,119
heavy natural gas.
Yes.

937
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:39,760
» So, so the point the point is that the
system would be designed to

938
01:50:36,480 --> 01:50:47,119
um one minimize emissions to reuse those
emissions for productive use and I know

939
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:52,880
there's in the room but this is what I
ask you to do. Even as you meet this

940
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:56,639
meeting tonight,
I'm going to ask you if you'll just go

941
01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:00,800
look at some of the technologies that
are available and what that means. There

942
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:07,239
are ways to communicate this. Now, the
other question is you're asking how do

943
01:51:03,119 --> 01:51:07,239
we know that you're going to do that?

944
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:16,159
» Is there testing?
you guys have the same thing happens

945
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:19,840
over and over again because whoever
whoever's building it or the owners of

946
01:51:18,719 --> 01:51:23,679
the company to bring in their own
testing. How can the public have their

947
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:27,080
own third party testing? Yeah.
>> So, so

948
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:36,960
are subject to to study and it's a
federal requirement that you have to

949
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:44,480
consider studying you have to meet those
emissions on a partly basis.

950
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:50,400
Um, is there any plans for using the
heat waves into any any

951
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:54,159
questions?
Um, and that's exactly what we're

952
01:51:51,840 --> 01:52:00,800
talking about is using the heat waste
and using that for

953
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:06,239
using that for um using that to generate
clean air

954
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:14,800
and using that potentially to have a
utility utility which would not just be

955
01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:17,960
for the um for the project. will be for
them to

956
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:22,440
» that's not

957
01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:57,679
So, I do want to say that you were
talking about your six kids and I just

958
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:03,480
want to tell you that I have one and I
want to leave my house and I want to

959
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:03,480
leave him here to bring the water.

960
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:11,199
The other one I mean I'm not you started
at this meeting and you said that there

961
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:15,760
were two steps to the process on what
allowability. So I know that we go back

962
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:20,800
to allowability. I'm actually going to
agree with Tim and that we should be

963
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,400
looking at is this allowable? Do we want
this? And then setting up the things in

964
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:28,800
place. This is the lady spoke about
statutes and whatnot. If we're already

965
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:33,280
to a place that a commitment has been
made to have more conversation, I think

966
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:39,040
we need to have more education to have
that conversation and then that needs to

967
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:45,239
be of those. it go because right now I
don't think we have people that have

968
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:45,239
this. So

969
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:09,599
I
went to this school. Um so I did a

970
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:13,760
little Google tip for the lady who came
up here earlier after Google. I did a

971
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:17,040
little bit more depth than that. Um
according to the environmental and

972
01:54:15,440 --> 01:54:20,040
energy study institute which is a
bipartis

973
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:30,080
um mediumiz data centers uh use 110
millions gallons of water each year. Um

974
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:34,560
that's to a thousand households. I don't
know if you know this word according to

975
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:40,320
census reporter.org
has 2,800 people in it. I don't think

976
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:45,360
that's a thousand households. Um, larger
data centers per year can use about 1.8

977
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:51,040
billion gallons of water, which is
equivalent to a town with 10 to 50,000

978
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:56,639
people in it. So, I think it's a little
overmatched there. Um, taking a look at

979
01:54:54,480 --> 01:55:00,639
just in terms of what happens with these
water systems. These water systems use

980
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:04,880
chemicals to prevent algae from growing
in them. And those chemicals need to go

981
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:10,880
somewhere eventually. Typically that
goes back into nature and that can not

982
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:17,119
only cause issues for local plant life
and things like that. Um in addition um

983
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:21,119
salt dust comes from these data centers.
They use the salt in the data center

984
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:25,119
that can increase the salinity of local
water supplies and things like that

985
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:30,080
killing animals and plants that live in
these local water supplies. Um,

986
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:35,760
according to Consumer Reports, uh,
electricity in the last year, electric

987
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:39,440
prices have jumped 7.1%, which is double
the inflation rate in the United States.

988
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:44,960
In some states, it's going up as high as
20%. Um, on average in federal Maryland,

989
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:49,280
I know this according to energy
savings.com, most people in federal

990
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:55,760
work, Maryland per month spend about 200
$231 on electricity. Um just imagine

991
01:55:52,560 --> 01:56:00,639
that jumping by 20% jumping by more than
that according to like a usage and

992
01:55:57,520 --> 01:56:04,639
things like that. Um according to a
study by the University of Michigan um I

993
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:09,199
know that the data centers have promised
to create a lot of jobs and he even

994
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:13,080
admitted that they are temporary most of
those jobs which he mentions.

995
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:21,080
You admitted that you said the temporary
construction. I don't want you to argue

996
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:21,080
with Jacob. I have my

997
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:33,639
mistake. It sounds too good to be true.
It probably is.

998
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:46,440
It looks like Nathan.

999
01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:11,119
So, as much as they want to say it's not
going to affect your property value,

1000
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:15,119
nobody wants a data center in your town.
So,

1001
01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:19,040
people move in this town and buy your
house. Who's going to move to this town

1002
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:23,760
and buy a house next to you that's going
to be vacant because people are moving

1003
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:27,599
out of here because of that,
you know, and then we're going to end up

1004
01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:33,360
with all kinds of slumps because of this
place. You know, they want to sit here

1005
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:39,239
and talk. They're just people for this
business. They're being kid.

1006
01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:02,639
» Hi, my name is
and I'm a 17-year-old junior in high

1007
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:08,480
school. But I believe I see for a vast
majority of both people my age and

1008
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:13,599
adults don't want this thing in here. I
believe that there be more bad for our

1009
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:17,520
society than good. The town is filled
with beautiful families and loving

1010
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:21,360
children. This data will disrupt
everyone's lives. The massive amount of

1011
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:25,119
noise pollution, the unclean water
that's top of the earth drinking water

1012
01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:31,679
eventually will be corrupted and our big
day lives interrupted. We will not have

1013
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:39,760
peace in us all town anymore.
We we are million dollars of debt. But

1014
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:47,679
instead of going to our home place
and say whatever we decide to use it on

1015
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:53,599
a data center a single data center as
much as

1016
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:56,599
we don't even have first of all a study
problem

1017
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:07,360
data center to uh represent up to 12% of
all electricity consumption by 2028. I

1018
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:12,080
don't understand how that will help
anybody, but I don't I don't want to

1019
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:15,920
grow up in this town if it's going to be
like this. I remember it being lovely. I

1020
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:19,440
remember it being beautiful. I remember
it being a safe community for people to

1021
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:23,040
run around and have fun and laugh with
their families, but how are we supposed

1022
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:30,280
to do that? And we can't even walk
outside without breathing any nasty air

1023
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:30,280
freaking nasty uncle. Please

1024
01:59:48,800 --> 01:59:53,719
My wife and I just bought our first home
here.

1025
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:59,920
Um,
this is a wonderful town my experience

1026
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:04,800
so far. However, the loss of the data
center made me reconsider by my own.

1027
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:10,239
Eventually, we decided to do something
here and I decided to use my voice as a

1028
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:14,400
member of this community out. The fact
that we are allowing this to even be

1029
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,719
considered is our morals. These data
centers destroy the local environment,

1030
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:24,800
raise energy consumption and rain's
lives. These people here are pushing

1031
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:30,159
questions about every related and so I
am not in any way like

1032
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:34,613
encourage to believe what you have to
say when you don't answer our damn

1033
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,613
questions. [snorts]

1034
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:46,400
» I love this first date with my beautiful
wife was over. How do I know that that's

1035
02:00:43,119 --> 02:00:51,719
not only my life but the ship going on
in the world?

1036
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:51,719
I have a testimonial.

1037
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:23,800
I think we all

1038
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,360
» right.

1039
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:50,280
Okay.

1040
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:16,320
So many permanent positions in
[clears throat] a data center involve

1041
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:22,560
highly specialized occupations and
according to the census data for county

1042
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:30,199
only 16 16.6% single% of adults hold a
bath degree or higher and only about

1043
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:30,199
3.9% of the county's workforce hold

1044
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:37,199
more specialized intern.
So, can the developer demonstrate that

1045
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:42,000
Caroline County has a workforce even
capable of filling specialized positions

1046
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:47,719
and also consider some of these
positions take years and require the

1047
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:47,719
need to train and education.

1048
02:02:49,040 --> 02:02:53,159
I want you to answer my question.

1049
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:19,119
The question was,
is the is the developer

1050
02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:24,760
can the developer demonstrate that car
county has a workforce capable of

1051
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:24,760
filling these specialized positions?

1052
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:32,239
» I really want to answer question. Yes.
Yes.

1053
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:39,360
Okay,
I'm ask question I want I want to say

1054
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:47,440
my assumption is that everybody in this
room is smart, intelligent and has job.

1055
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:54,159
They do great at their job their jobs
and one thing

1056
02:03:49,750 --> 02:04:02,000
[laughter] I need to say I think and my
citizen my assumption is that order is

1057
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:07,599
taken. Okay, I talk about John Street
and your sons, your daughters, you your

1058
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:15,560
your wife, your your husband, your
grandparents. They're smart people.

1059
02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:15,560
Bird is smart people.

1060
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:24,080
I've listened to a lot
of

1061
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:27,560
background
started as a

1062
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:38,080
And you know what?
And and he built something here. You

1063
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:45,520
build a regional hub in the 1800s when
you build a

1064
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:50,599
hub with aulture and 1950s
was long for any school. So

1065
02:04:53,840 --> 02:05:03,599
the question asked me because 16.2% of
people that only have a bachelor's

1066
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,719
degree. In order for me to for me to
answer that question, I have to see that

1067
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:12,480
the people are not editable. And I'm not
going to do that. I think that every

1068
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:15,719
person in this room is capable of. And
you know what?

1069
02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:24,599
We bring you for technology. Every
person here can get that out. So

1070
02:05:27,040 --> 02:05:30,360
great job.

1071
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:08,599
Maybe
where is this location?

1072
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:14,440
» So there's your idea of park.

1073
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:34,079
I don't know much about
or if you even down the back road.

1074
02:06:31,119 --> 02:06:40,800
So we are community
always a community. You guys understand

1075
02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:44,199
Maryland is Maryland. We're not we're
the system.

1076
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:57,760
It goes over the baby.
So with that being said, [clears throat]

1077
02:06:56,079 --> 02:07:02,800
with all the water that's going to be
used, what's it going to do to the crop?

1078
02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:09,760
What's it going to do to the farmer when
it's another 102 degree day and we're

1079
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:16,560
going to have 5:00 in the morning field
and irrigation water? What's it going to

1080
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:25,119
do with the crop? What's it going to do?
We have wild races deer. A lot of us

1081
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:30,040
like to hunt like the fish.
We ride off. We're redneck.

1082
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:41,400
But what we do on the shore, we do not
know. But you're

1083
02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:41,400
a city. Go to the western.

1084
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:57,599
I like to sit home at night
quiet mess with you. You can have a

1085
02:07:55,920 --> 02:08:05,679
that's
a lot to my house brother. I can hear

1086
02:08:02,639 --> 02:08:10,560
stuff that happen in dark container.
So, how is this going to happen

1087
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:13,560
when I get your dark container from the
sand?

1088
02:08:26,480 --> 02:08:35,360
» Put the technology in place that
these were technologies. Um I'm trying

1089
02:08:32,719 --> 02:08:41,920
to get the best of my knowledge which is
there are ways to mitigate noise so that

1090
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:50,560
the residential so that you know closely
here won't won't hear them. Um I've also

1091
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:57,679
heard many questions after I stated
systems which are very technologies that

1092
02:08:54,239 --> 02:09:04,000
were going to take the water.
Um I've heard that we're going to

1093
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:09,520
connect the interest rates to raise when
we're not even asking utility to do

1094
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:17,679
anything for us
and will fuel our own power. So that

1095
02:09:15,280 --> 02:09:23,280
don't increase. We'll use emission
technologies that don't that will um

1096
02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:28,960
lower emissions
um and we'll do other things to do

1097
02:09:26,079 --> 02:09:35,599
things like that. infrastructure and
give the money the the city that she

1098
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:45,040
desires and we can do all of those
things. But we fellow

1099
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:50,840
to give us an opportunity to do that
and we will do that and provide the

1100
02:09:46,960 --> 02:09:50,840
opportunity to do so.

1101
02:10:01,520 --> 02:10:04,760
Thank you.

1102
02:10:05,599 --> 02:10:09,159
Right here in town,

1103
02:10:09,199 --> 02:10:17,920
but we do have concerns about water and
electric and all the same things that I

1104
02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:22,800
you know what I'm hearing from this
gentleman is that they're create their

1105
02:10:20,159 --> 02:10:26,719
own liquor. uh that they're not going to
use your water that they're going to

1106
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:30,960
have recycling systems and there's other
ways to do that. I guess I'm willing to

1107
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:35,520
hear that out, but there's a lot of
other issues I'm concerned about. And

1108
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:42,360
the major concern I have, especially
being an older gentleman, is what do I

1109
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:42,360
do with my own trigger

1110
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:50,400
at least
knowledge that we have? If something

1111
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:54,400
happened, the systems you put in didn't
work. had to do something different. But

1112
02:10:52,159 --> 02:11:00,400
now we go to broader the only option we
had.

1113
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:07,360
I can't go see you guys. You guys have
corporate volume.

1114
02:11:03,599 --> 02:11:14,320
I could spend five years $100,000 and
still not get there. So my question is

1115
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:22,920
are you willing to put it on where he
will you put an escal fund in place is

1116
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:22,920
handled by the city of feathers

1117
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:31,560
like myself

1118
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:38,040
that the problem was caused by this. Are
you

1119
02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:49,400
» someone else?

1120
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:54,840
You ask very question.

1121
02:11:56,159 --> 02:12:02,560
Um
I can't speak for the ultimate operator

1122
02:12:01,119 --> 02:12:07,040
of the data center whether or not
they're going to be able

1123
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:14,719
that's very serious people but I am
telling you this is that we are not

1124
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:19,920
going to connect to water
there very strong restrictions

1125
02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:25,760
around water
such as New York and we will not be in

1126
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:28,760
house or else going we won't be using
from

1127
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,880
your man.

1128
02:12:49,360 --> 02:13:00,320
» Hi, I'm in this uh town for a very long
time. I chose to stay here. I chose to

1129
02:12:56,800 --> 02:13:06,480
have my kids educated here and I still
live there today. My problem is this.

1130
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:12,880
The infrastructure you're talking about,
Billy is right behind my house. What

1131
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:17,280
guarantees are you going to give me that
well?

1132
02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:22,960
I am not going to get any kind of
pollution over my house. You're talking

1133
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:30,639
about
I know you all that he sp my house in

1134
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:35,760
the fall over that field. I have deer
behind me just about every night. What

1135
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:43,599
guarantees are you going to give me that
this isn't going to harm my family, my

1136
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:50,679
house, my water, my animals, and the
animals that live in the forest and fly

1137
02:13:46,639 --> 02:13:50,679
over me.

1138
02:13:54,400 --> 02:14:03,000
I have a proposal
and

1139
02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:03,000
please this is the proposal

1140
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:13,639
Sheldon and I will bring any extra that
you want on the topics here today

1141
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:23,920
and we'll sit down and we'll show you
exactly send us to answer your questions

1142
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:29,880
and ask that so they understand how the
system design what they do what have you

1143
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:38,000
so the questions you can ask it's like
how do we know whether we can we can

1144
02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:45,920
trust you the best really the best that
I can do is is to show our we're the

1145
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:49,920
experts that well
and we can sit there we can talk about

1146
02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:55,520
this um that we could talk about the
commands and we're going to go in depth

1147
02:14:52,880 --> 02:15:00,560
with you so that you can feel
comfortable that we're not using water,

1148
02:14:57,840 --> 02:15:06,239
we're not using power, we have effective
airation land, we're reducing reducing

1149
02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:12,000
the emissions for good reasons, okay,
that we're talking about what community

1150
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:17,679
benefit agreements look like, okay? And
how can you be sure that those benefits

1151
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:22,560
are going to improve to you and your
children and the people that you care

1152
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:27,840
about? You show [clears throat] up and
you go answer those questions.

1153
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:34,800
Why topic?
with experts, not us. People who are

1154
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:37,800
supposed to stand and you can ask
question.

1155
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:59,599
All I'm saying, all I'm saying is that
is okay.

1156
02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:05,760
I just
if if you thought if you thought for a

1157
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:10,679
second that I was a truthful then you
know what I address

1158
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:30,920
» I'm not the
I was ask

1159
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:37,439
any question
we're going to do it. That's the best

1160
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:42,160
that we can offer and you know we're
going to work together town halls

1161
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:45,840
working sessions whatever you know and
we come and ask your ask your question

1162
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:50,719
here's the thing I don't want to have
happen

1163
02:16:47,679 --> 02:16:56,880
there is opportunity here for
county and you know I understand there's

1164
02:16:54,240 --> 02:17:01,280
a lot of data out there I'm just
encouraging you deeply dive into

1165
02:16:58,380 --> 02:17:07,880
[clears throat] your data understand
the benefits are being awkward and and

1166
02:17:04,399 --> 02:17:07,880
we're still very

1167
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:11,639
but

1168
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:40,240
Liberty Road.
Thank you, hell, you bless your heart.

1169
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:45,439
Uh, currently, right now, there are 15
states that are considered abandoning or

1170
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:52,240
restricting data centers in the state of
Maryland, Frederick County, Montgomery,

1171
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:57,120
Virginia have put six months on Prince
George's County is considering a

1172
02:17:54,240 --> 02:18:00,920
two-year pause. I want to know, is this
why you are here?

1173
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:20,040
before
we were um working on

1174
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:20,040
studying before for project

1175
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:29,240
one.

1176
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:46,519
They didn't come here all the
remember

1177
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:49,960
great grand

1178
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:03,240
I stay
backyard

1179
02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:10,120
from data center

1180
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:19,559
to drive miles.
The fish had to go nap.

1181
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:45,319
It don't come back out same way.
And when you say

1182
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:59,800
today
and you say it's not

1183
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:07,479
talking about that

1184
02:20:08,960 --> 02:20:17,840
last thing I want to say when you guys
to your community,

1185
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:23,760
you're bringing a problem.
That's exactly what we bring.

1186
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:32,640
8,000 data across this country right
now. 8,000 and they're growing four.

1187
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:41,840
So you don't think that ain't going to
program that they got on this computer.

1188
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:44,840
Yeah. What is it going to do?
Today

1189
02:20:45,359 --> 02:20:48,840
is going to be

1190
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:19,600
My name is Kane and I am 17 and I live
in Puddlesburg and I am against the idea

1191
02:21:17,439 --> 02:21:22,960
of a data center in Puddlesburg. Having
a data center in Puddlesburg would

1192
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:26,479
create dead sentence for this town. data
center tons of water and electricity

1193
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:30,640
every single day. By putting a data
center in our town, water from our river

1194
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:34,319
that runs through Federalsburg will be
used to help along the center whether

1195
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:38,000
that's now or later. This will impact
the animals and the wildlife that live

1196
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:41,680
in and the Gulf of the river, but it
will also impact the people and the

1197
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:46,000
memories that um people make the river
every day. Not only will the data center

1198
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:50,080
impact the wildlife with this water
usage, but it will impact the people

1199
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:53,359
living in Flesburg as well. According to
Whitfield study from the University of

1200
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:58,080
Georgia, potential consequences of the
data center include include reduced

1201
02:21:55,920 --> 02:22:01,520
drinking water availability, lower water
water

1202
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:04,880
reduce
connection to ground water and this

1203
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:10,800
would directly impact people in
Flesburg. Data centers also use a lot of

1204
02:22:07,359 --> 02:22:14,560
electricity which would be would put a
lot of pressure on that's already

1205
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:19,040
struggling even as you upgrade it. When
data centers are not electricity that

1206
02:22:16,560 --> 02:22:22,319
power their computers, they are gas that
gas which releases into the air and can

1207
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:25,200
cause health issues on pollution. And
it's not just gas that gets released

1208
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:28,800
into the air. Another field study from
the University of Georgia that says that

1209
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:33,120
they are a combination of other correct
chemicals that get released that are

1210
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:39,080
used to prevent erosion. And when our
water rates off the systems and our

1211
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,080
water goes back,

1212
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:46,399
it will contain those forever. This
would literally be poisoning us through

1213
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:50,000
our air and grow our water. This would
not only affect the town federal, but it

1214
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:54,240
would impact the towns around us. And
this is only a few of the many problems

1215
02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:57,040
in data center. Even if these changes
won't be noticed immediately, and there

1216
02:22:55,600 --> 02:23:00,960
will be long-term consequences to
building a data center. Think about it.

1217
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:04,479
The people wildlife in history, you
would be impacted by building a data

1218
02:23:02,399 --> 02:23:07,840
center in this town. Photos would not be
able to recover from [laughter] the

1219
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:12,080
damage at data center. And the damage
would not only impact photos, but it

1220
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:15,920
would impact town as well. I know there
are a lot of people here today that also

1221
02:23:14,560 --> 02:23:18,880
data center and I advise you to listen
to the people of this town and do not

1222
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:24,160
build a data center. We do not want a
data center or any part of the order. Do

1223
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:27,319
not sell us.
Thank you.

1224
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,000
Susan

1225
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:43,560
ask.

1226
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:11,680
» I want to know that the data set that
you can how close are communities to I

1227
02:24:08,080 --> 02:24:17,520
will live directly across
>> along with other

1228
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:21,479
and I'd like to know the owner of the
land where you

1229
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:33,200
» I'm sorry
and

1230
02:24:30,560 --> 02:24:33,200
the status

1231
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:38,280
before

1232
02:24:52,399 --> 02:25:00,280
my first question for you. I'm ask
questions. Please write them answer.

1233
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:08,240
Uh, I get it that you're here to
educate. Not once did I hear you say

1234
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:11,240
anything negative about that
distribution.

1235
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:19,880
» You mentioned multiple times the 95.

1236
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:32,120
Uh, there's plenty of out.
uh who are your strongers and who are

1237
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:32,120
your numbers is what I look like

1238
02:25:36,479 --> 02:25:44,720
with your fairy tale over here that does
not even exist and you're the numbers

1239
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:51,319
add up I understand very well the
technology

1240
02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:51,319
a little closer

1241
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:58,680
because they just poison the ground
while I down the system.

1242
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:11,840
In fact, you never going to touch that.
I can't believe you for one minute. So,

1243
02:26:08,960 --> 02:26:18,479
you're going to water that not only
affects this state, but Delaware all the

1244
02:26:14,720 --> 02:26:24,319
way to the Ches Bay and Virginia.
Uh, I get it. Ladies and gentlemen are

1245
02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:27,319
probably not the ones we talking to you
brothers

1246
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:37,319
did not love. I am the sixth generation.
the seventh and eighth generation play.

1247
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:46,439
That's why

1248
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:57,160
the technology talk about technology
where it doesn't exist and it's not

1249
02:26:58,240 --> 02:27:01,240
Answer

1250
02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:13,560
the question.

1251
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:17,479
» Next question.

1252
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:39,640
You were fools.

1253
02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:47,880
» Technology
repeating yourself again.

1254
02:27:51,680 --> 02:28:00,560
what we've been federal since 1981.
I think we've heard a lot about what can

1255
02:27:58,319 --> 02:28:05,080
be done, but we haven't heard what they
will do. Um,

1256
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:18,240
a lot of people touched on that
consumption, the water usage and the

1257
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:23,920
noise, but there's also the eway, the
frequent hardware upgrades upgrades and

1258
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:31,359
replacements generate significant volume
of electronic waste

1259
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:36,479
um rotation risk flooding um
natural disasters um and impact

1260
02:28:34,720 --> 02:28:41,680
operations and impact local
infrastructure. I've only ever heard how

1261
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:48,160
the fire department would ever be able
to respond to a fire in a place like

1262
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:51,880
this. Would they have an fire department
on on site?

1263
02:28:55,359 --> 02:29:02,680
» That's very concerning. This is fine.
Are we all going to be elapating to

1264
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:02,680
China?

1265
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:12,160
So one of the concern big concern about
that one thing I was so concerned about

1266
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:17,280
what is the Maryland Tech Council
and is it affiliating with the

1267
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:23,359
government the Maryland government? No.
So is it a lobbying group?

1268
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:29,800
» Yes.
>> So does it tell me if you're a lobbying

1269
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:29,800
group? It's just saying nonprofit.

1270
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:41,600
» Yeah, those are both of mine. So, the
marijuana tech council is an

1271
02:29:39,760 --> 02:29:47,439
organization that's been around for 41
years to advance the idea of innovation

1272
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:54,399
and technology in general, right? So we
work with firms in order to be able to

1273
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:56,960
create an environment an ecosystem to am
I allowed to answer this question

1274
02:29:55,520 --> 02:30:02,560
without somebody pointing at me in the
face and screaming at me.

1275
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:07,280
» Thank you because I'm going to
we were born 21 years ago in order to be

1276
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:11,760
able to create an ecosystem of health
and environments and technology by

1277
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:15,840
innovation to be able to help humans. a
large part of our organization with bio

1278
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:20,240
health and life science biotech those
organizations that are every single day

1279
02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:25,439
doing research and development to save
everybody in this room from sickness to

1280
02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:29,760
be able to diagnose to be able to create
therapies and to create pharmaceutical

1281
02:30:27,359 --> 02:30:35,600
opportunities for the other half of my
organization is technology oriented it's

1282
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:39,280
innovation like data centers like AI
like cyber security like working with

1283
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:44,000
our federal government and national
security issues like drone

1284
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:47,520
like the drones that I visited here in
the agricultural community to help with

1285
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:50,880
the farming that's happening in
agricultural communities all over the

1286
02:30:48,880 --> 02:30:55,680
state and all over the country. That's
what the Maryland Tech Council does. We

1287
02:30:52,399 --> 02:31:01,120
have a 501c6. We do have a 501c3
umbrella underneath us. But we operate

1288
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:07,840
as 501c an educational opportunity to
talk about technology and innovation so

1289
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:11,680
that Maryland can continue to be
competitive

1290
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:17,080
because Maryland needs to be
competitive. We need to be able to

1291
02:31:12,960 --> 02:31:17,080
create your jobs. finish.

1292
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,680
» You're not allowed.

1293
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:32,840
» So,

1294
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:41,439
have you guys would you guys request
that any um official sign a

1295
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:44,000
non-disclosure?
>> No.

1296
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:15,200
I live in Liberty Road behind us and I
travel every day. Um the company that

1297
02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:23,560
was going to purchase the land
for salmon farm, they do have it

1298
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:23,560
to mar.

1299
02:32:24,720 --> 02:32:32,640
» Okay. Because my thing is if you need
water from somewhere else, are you going

1300
02:32:30,240 --> 02:32:39,000
to use that word? Because there's that
search breeding ground.

1301
02:32:35,600 --> 02:32:39,000
They're protected.

1302
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:52,520
The word

1303
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:56,280
am

1304
02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:04,600
that's not how

1305
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:13,880
Where else are they?

1306
02:33:14,800 --> 02:33:18,600
You guys don't live

1307
02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:39,760
also.
So,

1308
02:33:36,880 --> 02:33:45,040
so the question is if we're going to
spur

1309
02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:50,720
I said no.
The reason that we have a closed loop

1310
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:58,920
system is so that a larger property and
it's reused and so that doesn't get out

1311
02:33:54,800 --> 02:33:58,920
into the stream.

1312
02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:18,439
» So we're not water.
So it's not going to make it to the

1313
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:18,439
regular marsh this morning.

1314
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:23,160
No.

1315
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:27,960
No.

1316
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:33,800
Water and technology.

1317
02:34:54,080 --> 02:35:02,000
First and foremost, I'm not a rich tour,
but I moved here almost 18 years ago

1318
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:05,000
because this town made me feel like my
hometown

1319
02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:24,319
has changed I'm not I get to start.
I know what it takes to run data center.

1320
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:28,880
I know what can happen. I've been there.
We don't have we didn't have closing

1321
02:35:26,240 --> 02:35:35,200
systems. We do now. Yes, there are
benefits and there are pros and cons to

1322
02:35:31,680 --> 02:35:40,960
it. What I will say if this gets
approved with big ass what measures you

1323
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:48,200
have in place for federal laws and
regulation that you will be inspecting

1324
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:48,200
and ordered on a yearly basis.

1325
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:57,720
So the um by law bylaw it's already
going

1326
02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:03,000
» the state
of Maryland's

1327
02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:24,399
there's
which air

1328
02:36:21,840 --> 02:36:29,080
and that is a federal standard and if
you violate that standard they will

1329
02:36:35,040 --> 02:36:42,479
from aation
from a federal government perspective

1330
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:47,359
they get more right and there's
elections a lot of those elections are

1331
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:52,080
done outside a separate agency a third
party so Does it all made in the

1332
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:55,319
government first? Are they done using
third party?

1333
02:36:56,720 --> 02:37:04,720
» So there's lots of government
third party training groups that have

1334
02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:11,760
certifications
and training and they do the regular

1335
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:15,520
inspection and then report to report to
state

1336
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:21,439
inspection.
So those two developed are there metrics

1337
02:37:18,800 --> 02:37:27,000
that you guys are measuring against
for me if I were to look at that. the

1338
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:27,000
way

1339
02:37:27,680 --> 02:37:38,560
from an air standle there's
every every county in the United States

1340
02:37:34,399 --> 02:37:45,479
of America is is
and they put out a registry measures a

1341
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:45,479
bunch of things 24-hour pollution

1342
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:54,560
and they measure and they part
and if your county doesn't meet the

1343
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:54,560
requirements they

1344
02:37:55,840 --> 02:38:01,800
um enter
those

1345
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:10,359
if you're not entertainment then you
won't receive the permanent you won't be

1346
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:10,359
able to

1347
02:38:13,920 --> 02:38:22,720
deny that I'm not disregarding anybody
just from where I come from a cyber

1348
02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:26,880
security perspective
If you have vulnerability and you don't

1349
02:38:25,439 --> 02:38:30,960
protect that vulnerability and you don't
do anything,

1350
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:34,120
they will shut off. That's what kind of
sounds like

1351
02:38:44,640 --> 02:38:49,520
Kathy
Greg

1352
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:55,080
verse four.

1353
02:39:12,399 --> 02:39:15,399
Hi

1354
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:30,319
my own virtual
lived on radio for close to 50 years. Uh

1355
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:37,439
I live out at the end of it until 3
years ago and now I live in three towns

1356
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:43,280
away from being in town across the
street from his town on the way out. I

1357
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:50,960
had water and I had a pound steel
available to go to. So just about

1358
02:39:48,880 --> 02:39:56,960
uh
I can't even listen to what was said. Uh

1359
02:39:54,720 --> 02:40:02,640
I'm not an engineer
when I worked in the mechanical trade

1360
02:39:59,120 --> 02:40:07,600
for over 50 years.
of you talking about you're going to

1361
02:40:05,439 --> 02:40:13,120
have gas plants and generate your
electricity that's going to take a

1362
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:17,920
massive amount gau
it is

1363
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:23,200
that is true also heating I understand
you're going to use high efficiency low

1364
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:29,600
heating systems that can reach probably
up to 96% efficiency

1365
02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:33,840
and low demar
and full demand they're going to be

1366
02:40:31,120 --> 02:40:39,600
about 60% % efficiency and you left that
part out but that is bad. So that would

1367
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:45,520
be polluting the air pretty heavily at
that point. Check me I don't want to

1368
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:50,960
talk. Um
we the

1369
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:57,920
um I was four years old when we did this
podcast around here and when they did

1370
02:40:53,520 --> 02:41:03,040
they ran a gas line it went down.
It comes from the bridge comes right

1371
02:41:00,080 --> 02:41:08,319
straight through Mard
there from the garbage as well.

1372
02:41:05,760 --> 02:41:16,880
It's a well line. It's been there since
1960. It goes to President where it

1373
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:24,720
ports and from that one branch goes down
through V and East Cambridge. The other

1374
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:29,920
branch goes through Presley and East and
St. Michael.

1375
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:35,920
That steel line in my front yard has
been maxed out and over pressurized for

1376
02:41:33,520 --> 02:41:40,720
a number of years.
Again, it comes from bridging and gas

1377
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:47,439
coming a few years ago, but probably
everybody here saw this new law down 13.

1378
02:41:45,840 --> 02:41:53,280
The reason why they did that is because
the state of Delaware

1379
02:41:49,520 --> 02:42:00,960
decided to build thousands and thousands
of new houses down around the beach and

1380
02:41:56,640 --> 02:42:07,280
eastern southern SC and that new
oversized gas man is taxed to the limit.

1381
02:42:05,520 --> 02:42:11,600
So right now I'm not sure you can get
your guests in Pennsylvania down here

1382
02:42:09,439 --> 02:42:16,000
unless you're going to run from here all
the way to Pennsylvania because I don't

1383
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:21,280
think they have a capacity there and I
know

1384
02:42:18,479 --> 02:42:27,280
here those are just facts. I don't know
if you looked into that when you bought

1385
02:42:22,880 --> 02:42:31,600
property or not but that's not me. Um,
as far as the availability of that,

1386
02:42:30,160 --> 02:42:36,160
that's something that you probably need
to check into.

1387
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:41,680
Um, the the last thing that I want to
talk about very quickly is the lady

1388
02:42:39,280 --> 02:42:47,120
mentioned the sturgeon, those not
familiar, but the Northland surgeon

1389
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:52,399
breeds in this body of Lord right across
the street here. They have a thousand a

1390
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:58,880
year. I'd like to see if they thousands
more. You savor a closed loop system

1391
02:42:55,520 --> 02:43:04,080
that doesn't gain or lose any water
theoretically, but I know that in times

1392
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:08,880
of an emergency or whatever, you would
wind up pulling water into that system,

1393
02:43:07,439 --> 02:43:13,359
even though it's closed loop. I'm
familiar with that and you would wind up

1394
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:20,840
in charge or two, especially if your
electric was down below

1395
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:20,840
because not enough gas.

1396
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:54,600
If I look correctly, you guys apply
property. probably a few years ago

1397
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:54,600
already.

1398
02:43:59,439 --> 02:44:02,920
» You guys have already

1399
02:44:05,359 --> 02:44:10,960
knew that or not.
>> All right. So, as a developer, you've

1400
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:16,560
already done
you've already

1401
02:44:13,359 --> 02:44:19,760
fact what they want. That's that's a
problem.

1402
02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:24,160
So, I'm just going to tell everybody go
to the smoke.

1403
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:27,200
» All right. Do your homework. Look
around.

1404
02:44:26,000 --> 02:44:32,160
There's reason why a lot of people
complain. It's because of this. All

1405
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:35,399
right. Y'all want something to hide.
That's only

1406
02:44:54,960 --> 02:45:02,760
You forgot maybe
one train station

1407
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:10,120
with me know

1408
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:22,760
I remember back.

1409
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:31,240
We were told
back

1410
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:40,600
in the structure problems.

1411
02:45:43,120 --> 02:45:53,920
Yeah, I heard about that. You can talk
about how many builds are going to be

1412
02:45:50,800 --> 02:45:59,359
available for people. He said 100,
right?

1413
02:45:54,479 --> 02:46:05,680
» So 160 on site and then another thousand
broader ecosystem. Oh, he says the data

1414
02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:13,680
247
did you shift 100 people

1415
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:21,279
to 40 jobs per 8 hours? That's how you
figure that 80 hours. I don't see how

1416
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:28,479
we're a whole bunch having 80 people
jobs for $800,000

1417
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:33,880
800,000 of good built in. Yeah.
Whatever.

1418
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:33,880
instead of saying

1419
02:46:36,560 --> 02:46:41,000
» 160 jobs per day

1420
02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:46,600
or something. How's that?

1421
02:46:50,800 --> 02:46:53,800
» Yeah.

1422
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:12,920
Steve Thomas

1423
02:47:20,479 --> 02:47:23,479
said

1424
02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:34,520
he said they closed consistently
wast,000

1425
02:47:30,399 --> 02:47:34,520
gallons a day. County

1426
02:47:35,760 --> 02:47:39,000
also have

1427
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:47,560
micro
>> that's supposedly

1428
02:48:01,279 --> 02:48:04,520
on site.

1429
02:48:08,960 --> 02:48:11,960
So

1430
02:48:15,200 --> 02:48:23,040
there you go. How big are you? Are you
talking about windows?

1431
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:28,080
» Yeah. So the question was
first off and completed design. the

1432
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:33,040
general came up here said they had
everything to be redone otherwise

1433
02:48:30,720 --> 02:48:38,319
wouldn't have shared the time um but
that required approval from county and

1434
02:48:36,240 --> 02:48:43,439
my friend we were not there right so
we're in the design phase and as I was

1435
02:48:40,560 --> 02:48:49,040
saying what can we
to work with us on that as far as the

1436
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:53,080
onsite system um right now I'm looking
at looking at fuel cell

1437
02:48:54,800 --> 02:48:58,520
land for Green

1438
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:03,640
County.

1439
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:10,680
They're the third richest county in the
state of America. We're the second

1440
02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:10,680
horse.

1441
02:49:12,560 --> 02:49:24,319
the range.
You're comparing typically most area on

1442
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:30,880
the planet to a single latest
in potentially fur. There's really not a

1443
02:49:28,560 --> 02:49:40,040
great correlation because we're not
planning to build, you know, um 600,

1444
02:49:34,232 --> 02:49:40,040
[snorts] 400 data centers in, you know,

1445
02:49:42,080 --> 02:49:51,600
I mean,
but one take

1446
02:49:48,240 --> 02:49:55,000
you houses in Baltimore City to put in
Baltimore City

1447
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:04,040
Ron

1448
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:14,319
Gina.

1449
02:50:34,479 --> 02:50:37,560
All right.

1450
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:40,840
Thank you.

1451
02:50:47,040 --> 02:50:55,680
and wanted to understand what the
project was about

1452
02:50:52,800 --> 02:51:02,880
and
most looking at

1453
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:06,240
um now I understand it's a very
emotional topic

1454
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:13,880
uh and just

1455
02:51:14,080 --> 02:51:23,520
I really encourage people and and I I
respect everything that people have

1456
02:51:18,880 --> 02:51:28,439
said, you know, about concerns for what
happens, you know, because

1457
02:51:29,760 --> 02:51:39,680
there could also be some manifest forget
about those things to be

1458
02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:46,160
contained or planned for.
Um I know our heart country is

1459
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:49,720
struggling financially
you know and

1460
02:51:53,279 --> 02:51:59,920
you know
with China and one of those would be

1461
02:51:57,680 --> 02:52:03,920
able to keep up and then that gets into
their military and defense.

1462
02:52:04,560 --> 02:52:15,479
Um I guess my question would be
would there be any potential for things

1463
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:15,479
to adv?

1464
02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:35,600
Um so to answer your question is that um
there would be no future phases if the

1465
02:52:31,520 --> 02:52:38,600
first couple phases um didn't go well um
every

1466
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:45,160
so there would be no future phases if
the city determined that it wasn't

1467
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:52,960
so
unless

1468
02:52:49,439 --> 02:52:55,520
the city future phases but that's quite
a round

1469
02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:06,279
What kind of generator or backup

1470
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:10,600
would you guys have?

1471
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:20,359
So, so the question is what kind of they
do. So there'll be a combination of

1472
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:20,359
thermal producer

1473
02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:40,680
backup system you know um the way they
prevent So

1474
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:40,680
come down

1475
02:53:40,880 --> 02:53:43,880
there.

1476
02:53:55,040 --> 02:54:04,880
So the question that she's asking is
what kind of gas

1477
02:54:01,520 --> 02:54:07,880
would there
gas

1478
02:54:09,920 --> 02:54:14,600
us? So you think about

1479
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:23,240
the last name

1480
02:54:30,399 --> 02:54:33,399
also

1481
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:38,120
follow

1482
02:54:42,479 --> 02:54:46,600
Jack, push your feet.

1483
02:54:56,479 --> 02:55:06,479
» I'm sure
spent 65 now 66 years here.

1484
02:55:04,720 --> 02:55:11,840
little
Susan I think this is the first she's

1485
02:55:10,080 --> 02:55:15,600
a wonderful person she's done all these
things

1486
02:55:13,359 --> 02:55:22,080
um I'm gonna come over here by a couple
of questions but I like to see

1487
02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:27,479
are you going to be the owner operator
of this facility

1488
02:55:24,479 --> 02:55:27,479
nobody

1489
02:55:31,040 --> 02:55:34,960
should do it nobody

1490
02:55:35,359 --> 02:55:39,560
Do you think or believe that?

1491
02:55:41,520 --> 02:55:49,439
» A data center before.
>> Yes. Where is it located? Um I'm located

1492
02:55:47,359 --> 02:55:54,319
around
specific where

1493
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:59,680
I built
>> I [snorts]

1494
02:55:56,800 --> 02:56:08,200
built
in Asia Pacific. I built in Australia.

1495
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:08,200
South America, United States, Europe and

1496
02:56:09,359 --> 02:56:17,120
» what I would like you to do is get the
addresses from those to the mayor and

1497
02:56:14,720 --> 02:56:22,399
council so that we can research with
people around us to see how things are

1498
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:25,399
going
to

1499
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:37,240
people around. Do you have any
engagement with people around those data

1500
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:37,240
centers?

1501
02:56:37,439 --> 02:56:45,560
» Do you have any non-disclosure
agreements with any of the people living

1502
02:56:41,520 --> 02:56:45,560
around those centers?

1503
02:56:47,359 --> 02:56:55,080
» Would you release people in those areas
to be free to talk with people?

1504
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:10,000
So I know the importance of legacy the
work that I've done is very good. I've

1505
02:57:07,680 --> 02:57:14,960
also gone benefits
during co

1506
02:57:12,000 --> 02:57:20,120
I have hundreds of families through that
time. So I'd like to talk about that as

1507
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:20,120
well.

1508
02:57:26,640 --> 02:57:33,479
Okay. So let's sit and if you want to
talk about the entire body

1509
02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:39,640
for

1510
02:57:45,120 --> 02:57:49,479
the part that you did in the beginning

1511
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:56,479
you talked about you talked about the
noise group what you didn't mention is

1512
02:57:54,240 --> 02:58:02,319
that that was just for
the noise from a data center is 247

1513
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:07,520
and there's also different levels about
measure sound

1514
02:58:05,760 --> 02:58:13,439
» because
what we hear is different than what we

1515
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:15,920
don't live or animal sense and they will
be affected

1516
02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:46,399
Hello, I am a lover. I turned 17 in two
days. I am from but I grow in and around

1517
02:58:44,160 --> 02:58:51,439
This tower means a lot to me. My family
has been in this area for generations.

1518
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:57,600
Then the daily center's negative effects
would also be our local businesses which

1519
02:58:54,160 --> 02:59:02,399
could devastate a resident light. Is
this to be accounted for? The Daily

1520
02:58:59,840 --> 02:59:06,399
Center also devastating negative effects
on local wildlife. Is there a plan to

1521
02:59:04,960 --> 02:59:11,359
make sure that local wildlife is
protected from these events effects? You

1522
02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:14,800
cannot just tell you the permanent
effects that this has had. And my

1523
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:20,960
generation is the one that is going
after the Buddhist, not yours. Those

1524
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:20,960
second

1525
02:59:21,840 --> 02:59:25,800
He do not want to say

1526
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:39,319
216.

1527
02:59:50,640 --> 02:59:59,200
So question what's your backup solution
all

1528
02:59:56,640 --> 03:00:03,520
what is your backup water solution all
of a sudden if water systems fail what

1529
03:00:01,279 --> 03:00:12,399
is your backup second what's your backup
fuel system how is it good for the 36

1530
03:00:08,800 --> 03:00:17,359
Now the temperatures can get up to 9,000
degrees.

1531
03:00:14,160 --> 03:00:25,240
How is the fire going?
What fire suppression systems do you

1532
03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:25,240
have in realistic data you have?

1533
03:00:28,479 --> 03:00:38,880
» So first of all the thousand plus system
it's

1534
03:00:35,600 --> 03:00:45,760
catch on fire. It's not hard to do.
>> No, it doesn't. It's refractive. It's

1535
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:51,840
refractable. It's breaks and you just
turn it off and it cools down. Some of

1536
03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:55,520
that water system will be onite water
storage. There's not a problem with

1537
03:00:54,000 --> 03:01:00,960
onsite.
Well,

1538
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:07,120
and onsite fuel storage
um onsite fuel storage go on onsite fuel

1539
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:12,720
storage but I don't know how much and I
don't know if we can there are

1540
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:19,200
technology that um different technology
you use gas and quite frankly with data

1541
03:01:17,200 --> 03:01:24,600
data center
for cloud data centers you can

1542
03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:24,600
turn.

1543
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:59,760
Everybody has a story.
Okay. I think um uh this a great

1544
03:01:57,600 --> 03:02:04,160
opportunity with Durant and I'm not into
doing that. This is the decision I

1545
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:09,279
believe. I just wanted to ask you a
quick question. So there's been a lot of

1546
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:15,600
discussion, a lot of questions. The uh
the approval process for this that is

1547
03:02:12,399 --> 03:02:18,880
through the county and the town. Is that
accurate?

1548
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:25,520
Help me out. help me understand that
because I've been the phone that it is

1549
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:31,279
up with the county and the town um and
that there are preliminary discussions.

1550
03:02:28,479 --> 03:02:35,600
I'm kind of taken back, you know,
earlier because it sounded as if this

1551
03:02:32,960 --> 03:02:40,800
project already
go. I wanted to clarify that if you

1552
03:02:38,399 --> 03:02:47,446
could just answer that quickly and then
I've got one quick question for you.

1553
03:02:44,080 --> 03:02:50,240
Um at this point there is not a project
>> [clears throat]

1554
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:56,520
» We have not submitted anything. We have
not gone through the process. This is

1555
03:02:52,960 --> 03:02:56,520
this is the information

1556
03:03:03,200 --> 03:03:08,880
» and the fire department was here earlier
meeting.

1557
03:03:06,960 --> 03:03:13,880
They had a question about responding to
electrical wires. I'm not CT CP.

1558
03:03:17,200 --> 03:03:24,479
» So the question from the fire company
was what are the standards? What are the

1559
03:03:21,840 --> 03:03:28,800
procedures? What are what's in place and
what has been done to deal with fire

1560
03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:33,040
suppression with data centers? We've had
a lot of issues with uh looking at bad

1561
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:36,880
news.
Uh we you know we feel like we've been

1562
03:03:35,520 --> 03:03:41,600
getting a lot of complaints about
lifting batteries. We've asked the fire

1563
03:03:39,040 --> 03:03:49,600
marshal to update the fire code. We've
been told the fire already updated an

1564
03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:56,560
allboard problem in in for us
looking back with the fire suppression.

1565
03:03:53,520 --> 03:04:03,359
How was that addressed or can you just
talk about that a little bit?

1566
03:04:00,240 --> 03:04:09,120
So, so the bigger issue is that when we
were when we were uh exploring

1567
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:16,960
um and just you know looking at
regulations that it came up about

1568
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:23,600
and the issue was that
fire department and that you know um

1569
03:04:21,040 --> 03:04:28,160
safety is fair and we agree with that
and so we're not we're not supposed to

1570
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:34,160
be in
live in the world. We're proposing

1571
03:04:30,479 --> 03:04:40,160
energy storage with breakfast
and um so that ensures you know that

1572
03:04:36,960 --> 03:04:44,640
doesn't cause a risk to volunteer
firearm

1573
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:49,520
um there could be bad within the racks
themselves just like a little system

1574
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:54,319
that you might have in
themselves

1575
03:04:51,120 --> 03:05:00,319
and those are in a computer that has a
self suppression symptom and they have

1576
03:04:56,560 --> 03:05:05,760
to be affected by um the fire your
instances of your county they would have

1577
03:05:02,960 --> 03:05:08,920
to like the fire suppression so there's
no risk

1578
03:05:11,520 --> 03:05:22,160
» yeah so the process very quick is it
approved by county in the town is there

1579
03:05:18,560 --> 03:05:28,960
an approval process and we'll elaborate
on that just a little bit further here

1580
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:35,279
so just
The project is in what it's expension of

1581
03:05:33,279 --> 03:05:40,560
the industrial quality for the city or
federal fur. So the city or federal fur

1582
03:05:38,880 --> 03:05:48,000
would be the authority having
jurisdiction that will

1583
03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:53,359
the city doesn't have a city planning
commission by other location. So it will

1584
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:59,399
most likely be a joint effort between
the city and the county. However, that

1585
03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:59,399
is struggling.

1586
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:13,840
I just want to get that on the record
and uh you know we this is a local issue

1587
03:06:11,680 --> 03:06:17,760
and we are state representatives but we
do represent everyone in this room and

1588
03:06:15,760 --> 03:06:21,359
there's a lot of folks for the SE and
even though we're not part of those

1589
03:06:19,279 --> 03:06:26,800
direct you know those direct discussions
and things but county I know our

1590
03:06:24,399 --> 03:06:31,760
delegation very interested in this and I
know we may have a little recent

1591
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:37,040
decision local but we intend to be fully
fully involved and uh I think a lot of

1592
03:06:34,399 --> 03:06:41,680
said this is interesting
for the town to come in and propose

1593
03:06:40,160 --> 03:06:45,760
something like this. And there's been
some really bold statements. I think

1594
03:06:44,319 --> 03:06:49,840
that energy prices were going to go
down. There's going to be no use of

1595
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:54,880
water. There are a number of mistakes
that were made. And I just encourage you

1596
03:06:52,319 --> 03:06:59,040
just to follow up with some proof and
evidence of those statements because I

1597
03:06:57,359 --> 03:07:03,600
think that's one of the things that you
know when you say something that's said

1598
03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:07,920
that was one thing but I think they're
understanding and and knowing what's

1599
03:07:05,680 --> 03:07:12,319
being said would be very helpful because
this is a traumatic this is a very

1600
03:07:10,080 --> 03:07:17,200
traumatic discussion and um even though
the discussion has been tough I think

1601
03:07:14,240 --> 03:07:23,319
that the participants at all their
truest feelings were sent in so I will

1602
03:07:19,120 --> 03:07:23,319
thank everyone. Thank you.

1603
03:07:29,439 --> 03:07:37,680
» But I thank you all for coming tonight.
They have like they were asking

1604
03:07:35,520 --> 03:07:43,920
questions.
>> So I want to thank you all for coming.

1605
03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:49,200
We know topic. Just to clarify, we do
have a planning and donating commission

1606
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:55,040
um that will also be reviewing this.
they things to mayor and council. That's

1607
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:59,439
how that process does work. Um so thank
you all for coming. Um and we will be

1608
03:07:57,120 --> 03:08:03,720
posting your information
as we move along. Thank you.

1609
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:41,399
This is Holiday.