[3:42] Look like meatless.
[3:50] Did you add any more seasoning or
anything to it?
[4:01] Did you like it? Not bad.
[4:29] I'm going to go this
[12:16] Great.
Okay, perfect.
[13:13] There you go.
[13:18] I know.
[13:41] » Can you guys hear me?
[13:50] Everybody come
and council that go forward. We'd like
[13:56] to welcome you to thisformational
session uh for what we have tonight for
[14:00] the um proposed data center. Um
everything is just proposed and what
[14:05] you're going to hear is what we're
looking to propose. Nothing has been
[14:09] decided. Nothing is nothing has been
signed. Nothing has been done. Um we're
[14:12] just in conversation and this is here
for you to collect information. There's
[14:17] a lot of information out there good and
bad on data centers. Um so what you're
[14:21] going to hear is their project and not
the projects that have been done 10
[14:24] years ago, five years ago, two years
ago. It's the project that they're
[14:28] proposing. Um so first I'd like to give
a little bit of background um for how
[14:33] this came about. Um I was approached u
the town was approached and I was
[14:38] approached on April 282nd or April 23rd.
Um and we had a meeting with uh the
[14:44] county officials uh which they had been
approached um by the um developers and
[14:50] they were interested in looking at a
study uh in Caroline County to be able
[14:54] to then facilitate a data center. Um
shortly after that um I had a chat with
[15:00] council. I thought it was confidential.
Apparently once it was released at the
[15:06] um legislative breakfast, uh Senator
Johnny and Commissioner Porter um had
[15:12] talked about it at the legislative
breakfast. Um after that on um May 12th,
[15:18] um we had a meeting out at the um at the
site at the proposed site. Uh it was
[15:24] offered up to mayor and council um to
meet with the site to take a look to see
[15:28] what they were looking to do. Um and I
could make it because I work um and any
[15:34] other members of the council could not
attend. So I I was the one that attended
[15:38] it. Um so I would like to um the process
for any has been through any of this
[15:44] information before work. Um we went
through this with Aquacon. There is a
[15:48] two-stage process. There is one that is
legislation that makes something
[15:52] allowable and then there is two which is
the project itself moving forward. Um
[16:00] not equal the other. So if we were to
allow different regulations data
[16:06] [snorts] center, it doesn't mean that
this would be the problem that is going
[16:10] separate us. Uh just keep that in mind.
Um I'd like to um introduce um some
[16:17] speakers that we have tonight. Um we
have um Kelly Schulz to the CEO of the
[16:23] Maryland Tech Council. And then we have
David Reich and Sheldon
[16:32] Whoa. Okay. [snorts]
Um, so Dave and Michelle are going to be
[16:36] the ones that will be presenting. Um, so
we will go ahead and get started. I want
[16:42] to be here with Kelly.
>> Perfect. Thank you so much. Um, it's
[16:47] great to be here in Federal in Carol
County. So, just for the record, I don't
[16:53] have the projects. Um, I'm here just to
talk about data centers, what they are
[16:58] and what they are not, and some of the
facts that we've been able to accumulate
[17:02] over a period of time. The Maryland Tech
Council, and I'm sorry, is
[17:11] ahead. That's right. Um,
so the Maryland Tech Council last year,
[17:18] um, we had heard from
this. Yeah.
[17:23] Um we decided that there was a lot of
conversations happening around the role
[17:28] of data centers in the state of Maryland
but also in several local jurisdictions.
[17:33] Um so a lot of people came to us policy
makers, community members, industry
[17:38] representatives to work asking us to
join to be able to create new um around
[17:44] people to educate communities and
elected officials on this topic because
[17:49] there was so much misinformation out
there. So, at the Maryland Tech Council
[17:53] last year, right on the sign last year,
we created what's called the data center
[17:56] alliance and we're a nonprofit
organization, we literally spend our
[18:02] time going around to different
communities talking about this type of
[18:05] information so that you can ask the
questions that you think need.
[18:10] So, I've given this presentation a lot.
[18:14] » I think maybe, but I'm not in control of
that. is can anybody turn the lights on
[18:20] so that they can see the screen?
I would need a different diploma in
[18:26] order to be able to manage that. Is that
better?
[18:32] Is that good for everyone?
Okay, good. All right. So, we're going
[18:37] to start out about uh why the data
centers are in demand. I'm sure all of
[18:42] you know the answers to all these
questions, but data centers are in
[18:45] demand because we're demanding them.
We're demanding data. We're demanding an
[18:49] industry that is supportive of our
social lifestyle. So, think of
[18:53] everything that you do. Think of your
banking. Think of education. Thinking of
[18:58] shopping online. Everything that you do
today with those really smartphones and
[19:03] the computers and the ATMs and wherever
we go in the world today is collecting
[19:08] data. Right? In a long time ago, I
remember this because I'm super old. A
[19:14] long time ago, we used to have these
server rooms. So, if anybody could
[19:18] remember the server rooms in all the
office buildings, that was their data
[19:22] center back in the day. Now, we've just
kind of made them efficient. We've moved
[19:28] them into one big building. So, those
offices really don't have those server
[19:32] rooms anymore into the office buildings
carrying people's individual data.
[19:37] They're sending their data to the cloud.
It's not up there. The cloud is actually
[19:44] the data center and what's happening
with the collection of all that data and
[19:48] you can see with some of these charts
and they're smart enough to read them
[19:52] but over the course of the next 10 years
the workload of data science has been
[19:58] double
and not just because of
[20:04] AI which everybody thinks that's the
case but because of everything else that
[20:09] we do in our world in order to be able
to accommodate the collection
[20:13] the distribution and the consumption of
data.
[20:18] And this is kind of what anybody plays
video games or word
[20:25] or scrabble on your phone, right? All of
that is done through all of this. You
[20:29] share photos online. Somebody in the
world in the AI world said, "Kelly, if
[20:34] you're watching Netflix on your laptop,
please don't download it because if you
[20:38] download it, it's taking up space in the
cloud in the media center. just watch
[20:42] that on my screen. So don't download the
your Netflix.
[20:47] So a lot of what we've done with the
data center alliance, the Maryland Tech
[20:51] Council is to be able to create some
studies about what it looks like when
[20:56] economic impact in local communities and
the state, but we're talking about an
[21:00] average size base,
right? So this is an average size data
[21:05] center. Let's just say 800,000 square
feet. And this is the total impact. on
[21:11] the average size aid center, the number
of direct and indirect jobs, the
[21:16] economic activity, and the permanent
jobs supported at one operation. Now,
[21:21] that's probably not going to mean much
to you, but as we walk through this,
[21:24] you're going to know what that 800,000
square feet gate center could possibly
[21:29] look. So with that, let's just say 5,000
uh potential jobs that are created and
[21:36] then tax revenue that's created from
that with the state tax revenues alone
[21:41] for that average 800,000 square foot
data center. That amount of tax revenue
[21:47] could theoretically make for 171 police
officers
[21:52] in the county.
194
[21:57] or 165 teachers.
That's just how we break it down so
[22:02] people can conceptualize that. So what's
happening right now? We're going to get
[22:07] back to this, but what is happening
right now in the city as it uh compares
[22:12] to what wasn't happening in the city. We
have some members here from your local
[22:18] IDW. Are they here? Can you raise your
hand? The guys in the yellow shirts,
[22:24] they just got off the job site. They
came here. They probably all live in
[22:27] suburban county. They're probably not
working in the county right now. Am I
[22:31] correct, guys? Yeah. So right now
there's one project that's happening.
[22:37] There is an it's on the ground shovels
to the ground electricity lines and
[22:41] water lines going in and that project is
in Frederick County. That's called the
[22:45] Quantum Frederick project. That's a
larger project. I'm assuming that what
[22:49] David and Sheldon are going to be
proposing here. That's a large it's
[22:53] taking over Brown and Frederick County
and it's about 2100 acres that they're
[22:58] building multiple data centers on. So
this information I'm going to give you
[23:01] is kind of that information of what's
happening there right now just as a
[23:05] comparison as to what could have
happened. We have three to 400 electric
[23:09] purpose. I bet I could update this slide
from when it was last updated. There's
[23:12] probably more than three or 400 um
prefabrication facilities that are hired
[23:18] right out of the county of Frederick
apprentichip classes. Frederick now has
[23:23] its first apprentichip program that
they've ever had because of the data
[23:27] center. And that means people are going
to work in their county that they live
[23:31] in every single day. 240 apprentices.
That's the most they've ever had, right?
[23:37] It's like the most ever apprenticeships
this year. And they're one and they're
[23:41] all employed right now today.
So, let's talk about that Frederick
[23:47] County project where we have people on
site in GA. Once completed, that project
[23:53] for the county, not the state, will
generate around $215 [snorts] million in
[24:00] county tax revenues
every year.
[24:06] That's about a quarter of their current
whole county budget at this moment in
[24:12] time.
[24:17] Let's talk about recreation taxes. I
know this is like way over my head
[24:21] sometimes, but I've gotten used to this
slide. Recreation taxes are what a
[24:25] jurisdiction, a county collects outside
of the state tax revenue, outside of
[24:30] your ongoing property tax records. This
is a one-time recreation tax for any
[24:35] real estate sale, whether it's
commercial or residential.
[24:38] In one year at Frederick County, they
collected over $50 million in one-time
[24:44] recreational taxes.
Your county may collect them
[24:48] differently. I don't know. I can't can't
say that. But in Frederick County, they
[24:53] have statutoily in their budget how much
recreation taxes go to very specific
[24:58] programs. This in Frederick County is
how I have it broken up as the funding
[25:03] that goes into each one of these
programs. And I just want to point out
[25:06] one word and that's the 12.6 million in
act preservation.
[25:13] In 2025,
Frederick County was the only county in
[25:17] the state that was able to put any land
in a preservation because the state cut
[25:25] off funding to a local community in St.
because of state funding budget cuts.
[25:31] Frederick County was aiming for 12.6 $60
million
[25:35] of land and to add preservation because
of these recreation tests.
[25:42] And before [clears throat] I go on to
the water issue, I just want to say this
[25:46] is for anybody here that's a taxpayer
that's looking at anything over the
[25:52] course of the next three years, the
state budget according to state
[25:56] officials will be at about a$9 billion
deficit.
[26:01] And that means if you're paying
attention, which tender you all are,
[26:06] that they're going to give you less
support going to local jurisdictions in
[26:10] those three years because they're going
to have to conserve that money to the
[26:13] incorporate level.
So what I tell every local jurisdiction
[26:18] that I go into, you have to be prepared
at some level for even less funding to
[26:23] the local jurisdictions
in the counties.
[26:27] You have to make up that revenue of that
funding somehow.
[26:32] Doing it with commercial development is
a whole lot easier on you as a taxpayer
[26:41] than them coming to the presidential tax
with that. Okay. So, we're going to talk
[26:46] a little bit about um some of the issues
that people talk about a lot when it
[26:50] comes to the data centers and it just
kind of dispels the myths. This is about
[26:54] the water issue. There's been a lot of
conversation about how much water this
[27:00] data center needs to be used. And I've
talked to lots and lots of developers
[27:04] all along the east coast. And what I can
tell you is all along the east coast,
[27:08] those developers really are not using
any of your water. They're not using the
[27:13] aqua field. There's something in the
case called the closed loop system. So
[27:19] the closed loop system works with local
jurisdictions in order to take water by
[27:24] water from the wastewater treatment
facility run it through the systems like
[27:29] your radiator right so it's cooling all
the the pipes and the servers and then
[27:34] that water once it's done cooling cycle
it goes back to the waste water
[27:37] treatment plant in order to be used so
that's what they're using right now I'll
[27:42] have the project team talk about what
their plans might be but that is typical
[27:46] for data centers on the east coast to
the United States at this point. And
[27:51] divided by an average golf course, this
is a fact, an average golf course uses
[27:57] 97% more water
annually than a day.
[28:04] An almond farm, even more.
And by the way, we're at Maryland
[28:10] Technical.com and all of these reports
and the data and the facts are all cited
[28:15] on our website. So please visit the
Maryland Tech Council website and look
[28:19] that citation is there for you to work
on. So home races people also are
[28:24] concerned about the values of their
homes. I would say the one study that we
[28:28] reference frequently is from Len County
Virginia. Len county Virginia is the
[28:33] largest conglomeration of data centers
on the planet. There is no other place
[28:39] on earth that has more data centers than
their jurisdiction than countless. That
[28:44] goes back to the AOL times. that goes
back to L started the internet but their
[28:49] loan prices in L county where all the
data centers are are growing at a faster
[28:55] rate with the home prices than the rest
of Virginia.
[29:01] So this is where the conversation starts
with you and your local governments,
[29:06] right? So
the county and the towns and the cities,
[29:12] they have all of these land tools at
their fingertips. So they can go through
[29:17] what those dart rails should be based on
the concerns of their local
[29:21] constituents. Right? So you can write in
there anything that you need into
[29:26] whatever zoning text or additional
statutory obligations that you might
[29:33] need that you might ask your county or
your local officials to look into it.
[29:37] Some of these are examples of what
certain need they don't have to be
[29:41] followed by anyone but they're examples
of what local jurisdictions have already
[29:45] done to be able to satisfy the concerns
of their constituents. One thing which I
[29:50] thought was great. They said that in
Frederick County with all of the
[29:54] invested we have no more than 1% of all
of our land in Frederick County
[30:01] will be able to be utilized as a data
center.
[30:05] And so they created that statute that's
part of law not.
[30:10] But they also said for every 1 acre of
data center land,
[30:18] five acres of that will be paid by the
developer to go into act preservation
[30:23] plan.
That way for county can continue to be a
[30:28] rural town. You can also put things in
there um for noise, right? So noise
[30:34] buffers, you can use tree plantings.
There's lots of different things that
[30:37] you can do in order to control the
future development of the industrial
[30:42] programs that are happening in your
area.
[30:45] This is just an example of go through
this right now, but um the the noise
[30:50] decibb as what it means as people think
about how close data centers may or may
[30:56] not be to a populated area. You probably
have less of a risk out here in Carolyn
[31:00] than you would in other more populated
areas in the state. So energy is
[31:08] without a doubt energy is a big deal.
The state of Maryland we are a net
[31:15] purchaser of energy. That means that we
purchase more energy by a lot than what
[31:21] we actually need. So the cost of our
energy is going to higher with other
[31:28] states that produce their own energy. So
there's lots of conversations that are
[31:33] happening at the state level and in some
local levels about how do you anticipate
[31:39] the energy usage of these new commercial
industrial development sites. There's
[31:45] some legislation that says the living
users have to bring their own energy.
[31:50] They're going to have to create an
energy supply and energy resource in
[31:54] order for them to be able to supply that
energy to where um they're going to be
[31:59] creating their energy. But in this year
in 2026 here uh passed by the house to
[32:06] the senate signed by governor the
utility relief act it is the intent of
[32:11] the general assembly that residential
retail electrical customers in this
[32:15] state should not bear the financial
risks associated with large consumers
[32:20] interconnecting to the electrical risk.
So they are doing everything that they
[32:25] can so that all of the costs that are
adjourned by the development of these
[32:30] high load users are borne by active
commercial development and not by
[32:35] residential use.
So there's actually several studies out
[32:42] there again if you go to our website
you'll be able to see the actual full
[32:45] studies on them that show that data
centers can actually help to reduce
[32:49] electricity versus every time I say that
people want to build platform but I'm
[32:55] telling you it's the actual truth and
there are many studies from other
[33:00] jurisdictions around the country because
when you have a commercial base
[33:06] of utility costs. It reduces the price
of the residential rate payment. That's
[33:14] how that works. And I'm happy to answer
them in a Q&A if anybody wants to get
[33:17] into what that actually looks like. But
we do have the studies from three
[33:21] different jurisdictions that talk about
how they were able to reduce their
[33:26] residential costs.
These are the three areas, Pacific
[33:30] Gardner. They cut their rates by 11%.
saying that was because they had the
[33:36] data centers come in who pay a higher
price already for energy. That's the
[33:40] law. They don't pay the same price for
their energy usage as we do. They
[33:45] already pay a higher price. And now in
areas like the state and other states,
[33:49] there's actually an additional terror
that's added onto that in order to be
[33:53] able to supplement the use of not only
the penalty, but the renewal of new
[33:59] transition lines, any updates to the
system and
[34:07] I'm done with
um I think it's really important um for
[34:12] us to have a dialogue. So again, I will
thank the mayor. I will thank the county
[34:17] commissioners and the town and the
county in and of themselves and all of
[34:21] you for being here to listen to this
presentation because there's a lot of
[34:25] actual information that's out there and
we just invite all of you to be educated
[34:30] residents and members of our community
in order to be able to ask those
[34:34] questions that are going to need most of
us for the future. So thank you very
[34:37] much.
[34:49] That is not important.
[35:09] ladies and gentlemen
be the moderator tonight.
[35:13] First want to uh thank everyone for
coming out the mayor councilber
[35:21] county council the state representatives
that are official here.
[35:26] But before we get started at the time of
the presentation,
[35:30] we're going to give some guidelines for
afterwards.
[35:36] There's going to be a question and
answer for section.
[35:40] Um the first ones that be to answer
questions will be the mayor and town
[35:46] council.
Um
[35:50] then the county council
uh then it will be the town resident
[35:56] any state representatives
or any other outside members outside of
[36:02] fellows
are
[36:07] uh to ensure as many people's class
participate
[36:11] in each commentary we will have a
two-minut time limit
[36:17] the speakers in the middle call when the
two-minute mark is reached.
[36:21] They may briefly finish their thoughts
and you will be notified when the
[36:27] two-minute time.
We ask that the speakers direct comments
[36:32] through meeting the moderator remain
respectful and avoid interruptions while
[36:38] others are speaking. We also ask that
participants try not to duplicate
[36:43] questions that have already been asked
so that everyone has a fair opportunity
[36:48] to ask their own questions and raise
their own concerns.
[36:54] Um there will be an additional followup
question and answer session going
[36:59] forward. Details of this session will be
announced at the next town meeting.
[37:05] At this time we will start with a
presentation
[37:12] the first present I believe is going to
be uh from
[37:17] council
that
[37:26] okay so the first one's going to be MI
qualities presentation by David Wright
[37:34] and after have the other presenters.
Leave a hand circle.
[37:46] » All right. Well, thank you very much.
First off, thanks for inviting us here.
[37:52] I mean, this is your community
and we're guest.
[37:58] One of the things that my grandmother
used to say to me, England as I was a
[38:02] little kid, she used to say
it, people [clears throat] don't care
[38:06] about what you know
until they know how much you care.
[38:14] So what we're doing here today, myself
and and Sheldon Bloom is the owner of
[38:22] the property and the pro.
The reason we're here today is because
[38:28] each one of you deserve to hear from us
what we
[38:37] s
[38:40] 200 acres of it. But that's why we're
that's why we're here.
[38:45] My background is I've spent 20 years in
corporate real estate in tech
[38:51] finance. I' I've participated in the
building of data centers and I can tell
[38:56] you some data centers that have been
built in retrospect are all the things
[39:01] that you've got data center the bad
things you hear about the rest
[39:06] what I'm here to share with you today is
that best
[39:11] and we're going to we're going to talk
to you about it. Now, there's some who
[39:15] are going to say, "You're a developer. I
don't believe you. Therefore,
[39:21] um, you know, why are you talking
about talking to each other? Developers
[39:27] lying
when they're moving their lips, right?"
[39:32] Okay. I've heard it. So, let's just get
together now. Okay. And let's have a
[39:38] little let's have a little conversation
about what we really intend to to do
[39:42] here. We're going to answer each one of
your questions. We're going to tell you
[39:46] what we're doing and we'll get into be
transparent. This isn't the first time
[39:51] this one town hall. We'll have as many
town halls as necessary so that you get
[39:58] comfortable with us and you can hear as
much information as as um as you
[40:22] You can tell I'm not a performer.
So feedback. All right. So let's go to
[40:31] the next next slide here.
[40:35] Would
[40:45] it be better if you just push the
button?
[40:48] » I can. [laughter]
[40:53] I believe this
[41:16] scared.
[41:19] approved.
[41:38] Yes.
[42:05] David.
[43:35] Okay, I think we're
[43:48] All
[43:58] right. Thank you. Thank you.
[44:12] » All right.
So
[44:18] our team here today is uh Marcel and
[44:24] I'm going to give an opportunity to
introduce each.
[44:30] » Good evening everybody. Thank you all
for joining us. Um together with my
[44:35] partner Sh over there we are very
familiar with the shore. you've been uh
[44:40] now been working for about 10 years
across Eastern Shore. We really
[44:45] appreciate working with the the
employees that we work with and all the
[44:49] locals and uh when we picked this we
felt like Father would be a great place
[44:56] to build together and uh looking forward
to having your input and comments and
[45:04] we're here to answer all your questions.
David
[45:15] But
so we just do that. One of the things
[45:20] we'd like to do is we our purpose that
we want to demonstrate our fellow.
[45:29] So we're here talking
this evening.
[45:34] If anybody is going to come to the
community, they should address you. No
[45:39] agenda,
but to talk to you. You deserve to have
[45:44] the questions or ask questions and have
them answer.
[45:50] Our commitment that we're making is that
our project will be thought with your
[45:58] feedback.
We will build [clears throat]
[46:01] responsibility
and he's not reversible. I know what
[46:07] building responsibly looks like and what
it doesn't look like. I've been in this
[46:12] industry for a long time now for the
last years particularly
[46:19] and we've done some great things and
we've done some things that we should be
[46:23] doing over but we're going to do a
we'll talk about that.
[46:30] We will invest in design
and we'll take into consideration
[46:36] environmental stewardship.
We'll get into more specifics about
[46:40] that.
We'll look to the construction
[46:46] on the community
and most importantly we will earn your
[46:51] trust.
If we don't have our trust, if we don't
[46:54] have what you think.
Next slide, please.
[47:03] So, what is
Phil is envisioned as a Michigan
[47:12] uh campus.
there.
[47:16] But we also envisioned that there will
be a controlled environment,
[47:22] job training,
YouTube
[47:26] and onsite information.
So they'll be one of the biggest centers
[47:32] on the campus and we will design
complaints with community income service
[47:38] and account. Next slide. Thank you.
[47:44] So,
initially when we had the slide,
[47:49] it was boxes
and Shelley and I talked about it. And
[47:55] even though we don't have an official
plan, we wanted to show you a pictorial
[48:01] reference of what that would look like.
And the reason is because box is behind
[48:06] the fire.
We wanted to show you what we're
[48:10] thinking about essentially. This is not
improved design.
[48:15] This is far from there's a long road we
haven't before we have design. But if
[48:21] you look at it up towards the top right
onsite generation, I'll tell you about
[48:27] that in a moment. You have mixed, you
have high tech
[48:34] up front. You have greenhouse control
environmental
[48:39] and we've been consulting with food
developers and innovators on agriculture
[48:45] and we want to partner with them. I'll
tell you how we do that. In the middle
[48:52] is watering district. One of the things
that we believe that we can do with the
[48:59] city and county is develop
infrastructure that is meaningful.
[49:06] I read every post on Facebook multiple
times and there were comments like they
[49:13] can't build that here. We don't have the
infrastructure.
[49:17] you are we don't have instruction
[49:23] but we can help
[49:27] and I'll tell you how
and then to the lower to the lower
[49:31] bottom
is um job training center
[49:36] one that incur data center don't train
jobs but we're not just doing data
[49:41] center we're doing energy center we're
doing control the green houses
[49:48] we're doing
that there be a lot of uses on there but
[49:54] be compared
[50:00] but here's what I am going to tell you
it's not going to be your energy we will
[50:05] build an energy plant on site that is
not connected and grid will not increase
[50:12] your rates will not
period
[50:19] Um, yes. What's your name?
[50:24] » Oh my god.
[50:29] We're not going to use your name.
Here's another thing. We're not going to
[50:34] take the water because you can design
the data center to use almost zero water
[50:39] after the chart. You don't have to use
water.
[50:44] We got to break it down. Show you
like that. This is the snow.
[50:52] Shake it. I used to get these as a kid.
The water in this bottle was placed
[50:58] there by somebody.
If you got one of these at home that was
[51:03] probably a good
one.
[51:07] A closed fluid cooling system works much
the same way.
[51:12] You charge up the system underneath
and it stays in there for a long time.
[51:17] Every once in a while you have to put a
little bit more water in it,
[51:22] but it's almost negligible.
This is what the board
[51:32] next.
[51:36] So in the energy ecosystem,
you've heard you've heard every time I
[51:41] take a newspaper, every time I pick a
newspaper like oh my god,
[51:46] we're going to do it ourselves.
We will we will design, build, procure
[51:53] the systems.
[52:21] I'll tell you I'll tell you what the
positives
[52:24] um I'll tell you what are you disagree
with me and that's okay that's okay
[52:32] because we we disagree but again process
process you'll have your opportunity to
[52:39] be your community and move online so
and thank you for that okay so let's
[52:47] just zoom through zoom
so your system
[52:58] water okay
initially
[53:03] we'll We'll fix some water to charge
system charge and afterwards we're using
[53:10] uh close systems that don't need to
charge.
[53:14] Okay. And then for other toddlers,
[53:22] things of that nature as normal people
uses. And then for the energy center, we
[53:27] will have we call a a dry cooling system
that'll use minimal block.
[53:34] So that's what we're intending to build
for this location.
[54:00] want to hear. We want to hear what
everybody has to say. But I'm going to
[54:04] repeat it again just in case just so
everybody hears this. We will bring our
[54:09] However,
we will use closed loop systems that use
[54:15] navigable water.
>> When it comes to the points, we will
[54:20] build first
[54:26] question,
but it's a good question.
[54:32] As far as lighting, we use lighting
technologies that aren't created by our
[54:37] community. And then as far as noise is
concerned,
[54:42] there's already an order in place that
says what the allowable noise level
[54:48] should be a
problem and and we will adhere without
[54:57] and accomplish that to burns
natural foliage bowels and other
[55:04] technologies. The other thing is some
other technologies will be closed
[55:08] facilities. So that make any noise. So
we're looking to do all the things that
[55:16] will result in the project that won't
have some of the negative impact that
[55:20] you're talking about the data center on
a regular basis.
[55:26] Next slide.
So the question was what about benefits
[55:34] one jobs?
>> One of the things the county said that
[55:39] was a moment ago said was that many of
the people some of the people were here
[55:46] for
more than an hour an hour and a half
[55:49] jobs.
Our project will create jobs
[55:54] at least 100 permanent jobs in the dat
center and another 60 jobs for the
[56:01] energy center. Those will be jobs right
here in federal and these are good jobs.
[56:40] So back to construction.
So permanent jobs
[56:46] up to 160 construction jobs during the
construction period
[56:51] 400 to 600 phase over the over the time
you apply ahead. Many of those will be
[56:57] going to
be able to speak to other um
[57:04] businesses will be able to expand their
businesses. Restaurants will be able to
[57:08] serve um an increase.
So that I that
[57:14] is start out. One of the things that
I've seen like in the study is that when
[57:22] the investment comes down at least three
to four jobs get created by our
[57:28] ecosystem and so over time that can be a
thousand jobs here in and around level
[57:34] third if not more.
We talked about
[57:40] um tax I've been used to. So
what I where I what I shame you is in
[57:48] rural times just like
I shame billions of dollars flowing to
[57:54] the city in revenue. I've seen the
county millions of dollars flowing to
[57:59] now. I've seen counties now that are
reporting jobs in the thousands. Okay.
[58:06] And we're in the phase of supply doesn't
inter all at once. It will phase over
[58:11] time and you'll see the grad grow. We'll
invest in programs for balcony. We'll
[58:18] invest in STEM programs for schools for
science, technology, engineering, and
[58:22] math. We'll invest in programs in the
community college so that the best here
[58:30] doesn't have to go with it.
does a good job.
[58:40] » Next slide.
[58:44] And this is our this is our plan. I
understand that people are really
[58:49] charged up about
what
[58:53] wherever they think will happen here in
you should be. This is your battle
[59:01] county.
We have no issue with you standing up
[59:05] and demanding that, you know, developers
being accountable for for what we're
[59:12] going to what we're planning to build
here. You're going to be involved in the
[59:15] process. Your leaders could be involved
in the process. This is not going to
[59:20] happen.
You come here first and talk to you.
[59:25] There's no end. There's nothing. You
chose to come to class you first
[59:31] and it will go through a process and you
will have every opportunity to be heard
[59:37] and we value your freedom. We value
individually. You know, we're looking at
[59:42] this like a marriage, not like anything.
This is like a mirror. Everyone
[59:47] is going to last. Quite frankly, that's
in 1700. He started as a an out of
[59:54] trading. Then the railroad came became a
regional industrial center.
[1:00:01] And then through agriculture to food
manufacturing,
[1:00:07] you supported many important factors
throughout the United States of America.
[1:00:13] What can we build
someplace else?
[1:00:25] 50 50 billion devices
and insurg
[1:00:37] is out there market
[1:00:41] I want to benefit from that and you can
I understand the club
[1:00:49] but I'm here to tell you today and
hopefully next week and not for now
[1:00:54] going continue on tour together
that you will see a benefit of that.
[1:01:02] We're talking about millions of dollars
of capital flowing on the federal
[1:01:05] authority that can help you with the
things that are most important to you.
[1:01:11] Yes, there'll be some tradeoffs, but I
guarantee you those trade-offs will give
[1:01:15] you something because we have talked
about them ahead of time
[1:01:20] and we will work it out.
[1:01:29] I'm sorry.
[1:01:39] » Um, there's somebody else that question.
[1:01:47] » Oh, hold on. Hold on. Everybody get your
opportunity. Everybody get your
[1:01:52] opportunity.
between
[1:02:07] our presentation and I really appreciate
that person
[1:02:11] that this is a charish topic and we're
going to go to the Q&A and we'll answer
[1:02:17] any questions that uh that you want to
ask and we'll do so let's Friday.
[1:02:24] So, I'm going to give the mic back to
the facilitator and then we'll start the
[1:02:28] Q&A
[1:02:38] starts
[1:02:42] the mayor. So first
[1:02:47] you like to come up and make any
comments or any questions.
[1:03:22] So, Carolina County 2025 planning
commission staff report said that the
[1:03:28] industrial department where you're
interested building this as utility,
[1:03:34] but it doesn't address
what your slide shows. Can you tell us
[1:03:41] what the current available
order and store capacity is for what
[1:03:46] you're
[1:03:53] apologize? Can you hear it now?
[1:04:02] Carolina County's 2020 park planning
commission staff report says the
[1:04:08] industrial park has utilities in place
but it does not address
[1:04:15] the capacity.
Can you tell us what the current
[1:04:19] available electric water and sewer
capacity is? cognit shift per project
[1:04:26] will require a phase one and full
buildout and whether taxpayers or
[1:04:32] utility customers will bear any of the
upgraded costs and I know you address
[1:04:37] some of that in your spill here but I
know there's different phases of this as
[1:04:42] the project if the project is approved
there's different phases
[1:04:54] So I'll ask
question
[1:04:59] there will not be any customer or
community related cost associated with
[1:05:05] sorting uh supporting product from a
utility standpoint.
[1:05:11] The design is self-contained
so that it it doesn't have an impact on
[1:05:17] you as far as the volume is concerned.
Um, we don't have plans that have been
[1:05:23] engineered simply because we don't get
to have a problem.
[1:05:30] But as we go through the process, we can
make sure that everybody has an
[1:05:35] opportunity to understand the the
project, the plan, and to be heard. But
[1:05:41] I want to say it again.
We're not asking Fathersburg or County
[1:05:47] to support the project.
[1:06:01] I think it's about the
All right.
[1:06:05] All right.
Has an independent California impact
[1:06:10] assessment been completed for this type
of project that evaluates potential
[1:06:16] effects of nearby residents from
continuous equipment noise, backup
[1:06:22] generator emissions, diesel fuel
storage, cooling systems, and
[1:06:27] construction activity? If so, will that
assessment be made public? And if not,
[1:06:33] will the developer commit to finding one
before any approvals or grans?
[1:06:42] » Thank you, council. Um, I will say on
the upcoming there are no current
[1:06:47] studies um for anywhere around the
country. I will say there has been a
[1:06:52] study that has been commissioned by the
state of Virginia for Le County to do
[1:06:57] some studies there. And then the state
of Maryland, the legislature passed a
[1:07:02] bill last year,
a year and a half ago, that was passed
[1:07:08] by the legislature, vetoed by the
governor, overridden, was this past
[1:07:12] legislative session by the legislature
to do a study for the state of Maryland.
[1:07:18] that was scheduled to be um uh released
on September 1st. But last I heard from
[1:07:25] the agencies, the state agencies that
are doing the study um Senator, it's the
[1:07:30] University of Maryland, it is MT and
it's MEA that are conducting the study.
[1:07:35] It should be later than October for what
we hear, but there's no other health uh
[1:07:39] studies that have seen.
And I just want to follow along with you
[1:07:44] because you keep referencing county
Virginia and I just want to say that
[1:07:49] counselor is one of their leading
policies of health disparities there. So
[1:07:54] just anything.
[1:08:07] » So I think one of the things that the
question was asking for was whether
[1:08:10] there specific um studies that you're
doing on site or related and so part of
[1:08:17] the process that we will go through will
address that. any air missions um you
[1:08:23] know water use traffic that natur
the process that will go through those
[1:08:31] and we made available publicity
[1:08:50] is uh
We would submit the plans to the city to
[1:08:54] the county. They would review the plans
and then there would be a public hearing
[1:08:59] regarding the plan. So there's nothing
that would be passed without the public
[1:09:04] being notified and having the
opportunity to come and ask questions
[1:09:09] and and provide feedback.
[1:09:20] If this project
and it's whatever it's doing, whatever
[1:09:25] it's doing is delayed, downsized, sold,
abandoned, or fails at any point from
[1:09:32] phase one through full buildout. What
legally binding financial protections
[1:09:39] are in place to ensure that the town of
Federalsburg and its residents are not
[1:09:44] responsible for unfinished
infrastructure, utility upgrades,
[1:09:49] environmental cleanup, site restoration,
or any other project related costs? And
[1:09:54] how will those protections be enforced?
[1:10:07] That's a big big question. All I have to
say is this.
[1:10:14] I have yet to see a data center that is
properly available here
[1:10:21] leaving the the town and the county to
to clean up. There's processes for that
[1:10:27] as well. um that will be part of the
negotiated agreement between the
[1:10:33] developer and the manager plus the city
county and there's a process to work
[1:10:39] that out to ensure that equity is that's
met with the builders the operators and
[1:10:48] the um county and the city
[1:10:56] » I don't think my question totally answer
it there. Um, that was more so I wanted
[1:11:01] to know what was your plan if that was
to happen. Um,
[1:11:06] type things were going to be in place
for that. But my question all my last
[1:11:11] well my last question slash thinking is
the type of tax breaks that you would
[1:11:17] get from bringing into the type of town
that is
[1:11:23] you get all types of tax breaks for
coming here and building
[1:11:28] here it's not a real big deal
[1:11:34] I want to say that um and as far as the
There's a lot of temporary construction
[1:11:41] jobs that comes with building a data
center permanent job. How many people
[1:11:47] around actually have jobs related to a
data center truthfully and how many jobs
[1:11:54] will bring people work outside of here
to actually work and are there housing
[1:11:59] opportunities here in to house those
independent? Those are the type of
[1:12:04] questions that realistically I want to
answer and not hypothetically or blow
[1:12:11] our heads up.
[1:12:23] » So let me answer this very
straightforward.
[1:12:27] I've been building data center.
[1:12:32] I'm going to tell you what I've seen not
hypothetically.
[1:12:35] What I've seen is is that on the data
center built there yes about 6 to 800
[1:12:41] even more companies temporary jobs in
the form of trades and what have you.
[1:12:47] Let me tell you what those jobs are.
security,
[1:12:51] transportation, distribution, metal
fabrication, type of electricians,
[1:12:57] experience
and and those who are coming up from all
[1:13:01] kinds of I'm not electrician,
law enforcement,
[1:13:08] road and transportation development,
utility companies,
[1:13:15] um you name it. And there's all kinds of
jobs. The one things I said I was very
[1:13:20] serious is we are going to invest in job
training
[1:13:25] and know that job training I see the job
training degree
[1:13:31] technical right on down for less
position. So potentially jobs for every
[1:13:37] type of person that would like to find a
job at site. Okay.
[1:13:44] And and that's the truth. That's the
truth. I join with those young days what
[1:13:50] we call the country and I can tell you
there's examples of Mississippi just go
[1:13:55] on Facebook and look at Mississippi and
what they have to say about the data
[1:13:59] that are there Jackson County is saying
my god this is breaking job training
[1:14:05] jobs new housing developments new growth
um align it with the with the colleges
[1:14:13] here so that they have place to go once
they graduate that real life story in
[1:14:19] Michigan with Google
the same the same thing I've seen this
[1:14:24] done again and again and again I've seen
the bill I've seen that in my own eyes
[1:14:28] and my own experience
so but you can believe
[1:14:34] or you know you can question and you
should question that but how are you
[1:14:38] doing
that's what I observe I'm a legendary
[1:14:42] military profession Here's
the other thing. I'm the father of a
[1:14:48] cancer survivor and also like a son lost
wife of cancer.
[1:14:55] This is not something that I play with.
Okay. If I thought that this was going
[1:15:00] to put on, it's not something that I
would be investing my life in because
[1:15:05] this is something there's other dudes
that I need to go do. So
[1:15:12] well okay all I can tell you all I can
tell you is that
[1:15:17] when when I usually do my work is based
on my experience
[1:15:22] based on as a professional as a father
as a health
[1:15:29] just like you
[1:15:33] Are you looking at how much
[1:15:43] you want to follow
any other town?
[1:15:53] I got five questions for you. First one
you see this is supposed to consist of
[1:15:58] pl water there quite a few houses down
well surrounding area that run well bel
[1:16:09] run dry how are the residents that are
not compensated andor
[1:16:25] some way shape pool, right?
[1:16:30] You have a lot of little around here, a
lot of
[1:16:34] If you come down and you say, "Hey,
look, my
[1:16:53] I think it's a good question.
I'll tell you that from I don't mind to
[1:17:01] tell you and I'll tell you
[1:17:05] there's there's a lot of reasons to go
into hydraology and what have you. So I
[1:17:12] think if there's an issue like that, the
first thing they're going to want to do
[1:17:16] is to study the issue and determine what
the cause is
[1:17:22] because as proposed the assumption is
that the data center is problem. You
[1:17:27] know, somebody's about to go to go,
right? So the thing that we can promise
[1:17:34] is that if a situation like that arose
you issue along with the city in the
[1:17:40] county understand what the issue is and
then if there was causation and it could
[1:17:46] be applied to where to cause the the
situation
[1:17:51] but it's I can't answer just to say if
the dates was caused that because we
[1:17:56] would be working very hard
[1:18:04] So my next question is on
you said
[1:18:10] I eat natural gas.
You guys are going to be high natural
[1:18:15] gas. You guys are going to be consuming
a lot of natural gas. Where are you
[1:18:19] going to get your natural gas from? How
is that going to affect the price of
[1:18:22] natural gas for people that can use
those people? I can go to the city. I
[1:18:26] can bump up the people without
[1:18:36] » So,
so this is a this is a really
[1:18:41] interesting question. Why not make sure
gas
[1:18:46] a lot of natural gas systems for
commercial industrial operation industry
[1:18:51] um we've been cons
[1:19:12] And I mean I see some nodding heads, but
I used to design utility rates for
[1:19:19] Pacific Gas and Light in California. And
I know this true that as volume goes up,
[1:19:26] infrastructure costs will spread across
more volume and the rates come down and
[1:19:30] that is how natural gas. So there'll be
more natural gas lower cost than less
[1:19:36] natural gas.
[1:19:41] » [clears throat]
[1:19:44] » I love
[1:19:48] so
are there going to be current structure
[1:19:52] or these mobile sites? I've seen lots of
interesting things come up where they
[1:19:58] say these are temporary or bring
flatbeds and next thing you know you got
[1:20:02] five or six more coming in that one.
[1:20:12] So we don't understand what they call
generation.
[1:20:17] Um because there's there's you know
there's well they're in construction
[1:20:24] generation during the per construction
until you can get the plant up and
[1:20:29] running and that'll be for about 24
months or so. And so you have that on a
[1:20:36] temporary basis that's a permanent
Electricity would come from efficient
[1:20:41] technologies like fuel cells.
If you want to learn more about SH,
[1:20:46] but there are zero jobs, zero socks, low
carbon. And so when you're employing
[1:20:52] kind of technology and then Brooklyn use
what they call the cycle of turbines
[1:20:58] assistant
[1:21:01] generation and we're looking to take
heat that comes off of the stack that's
[1:21:06] missions and we use that for cooling to
use that for heating and cooling. Um,
[1:21:13] one of the things that we've looked at
is I have a shingling district in
[1:21:17] concert of the city that provide tolling
as well as feeding um within a certain
[1:21:22] radius of the site. And so those are
kind of things that we're we're looking
[1:21:26] at. We're looking at every opportunity
to um use low high efficient low
[1:21:32] emission technologies.
[1:21:39] You have two more. So the average data
center increases the soil temperature
[1:21:44] between 5 and 10° such an increase in
the industrial park already.
[1:21:50] This also flows to farmland and directly
affect crops. How's this going to be
[1:21:54] mitated?
[1:22:01] So acknowledge that there are reports
that say that data centers with service
[1:22:08] have um a huge impact on on so we're not
we're not distributing that. So that's a
[1:22:16] that's a report from a reputable
organization that
[1:22:21] one of the reason that is because of
what he did on the air and so you know
[1:22:27] you can call you can call
which whichever but that's what happens
[1:22:34] what we're looking to do is to recapture
those emissions and use them in
[1:22:39] production processes I'll give you an
example
[1:22:42] if you take the emissions from a
generation source and you run it through
[1:22:47] a thermal energy system
um using thermal energy storage. It'll
[1:22:53] it'll store at 1800° cent and you can
actually direct that for merchant uses.
[1:23:00] You can use it for metal fabrication.
You can use it in
[1:23:05] you can use it for other uses. You can
heat you can heat a pool. You can do a
[1:23:09] lot of things with that heat to
repurpose it. And as a result there's
[1:23:15] thus perm the mission to reduce the
initial streams by by quite a bit as
[1:23:19] much as you know 70%
through others and we would be working
[1:23:24] to use use those type of technologies
[1:23:31] » a lot.
Um so is there
[1:23:37] a set level for noise solution in terms
of decibels? What about subsonic
[1:23:42] infrasound?
Um this has been shown to cause
[1:23:45] manuverable health impacts. How should
you monitor and work the recourse if
[1:23:50] that's too high as well as the health
impacts? How are you follow up with
[1:23:54] somebody who says I have headaches or I
have whatever but it's caused by
[1:23:57] pursuit.
[1:24:07] So here's
I was asked to look into things like um
[1:24:13] EMS right there
and
[1:24:18] what the status found was that yes
people certain areas were having they
[1:24:23] didn't find a causation between some of
the things that were going on cancer.
[1:24:28] One of the studies came out that um the
electromagnetic waves from your cell
[1:24:34] phone and your microwave that were more
powerful than BMS that were being um
[1:24:40] exhibited from things like transmission
towers. Now are there things in science
[1:24:45] that you know kind of fly on the radar?
Absolutely. I mean um I I assume that
[1:24:51] that would be a church but but here's
the [clears throat] thing.
[1:24:55] There are people out there who are
studying like things like infrared and
[1:25:00] subsonic and things of that nature and
as the technologies improve we'll become
[1:25:06] more aware of those things but today
there isn't any studies that say if you
[1:25:10] do this subine or infrared will impact
you in this way
[1:25:18] but if people do complain say look we're
you should take those things seriously
[1:25:23] and always look into it the
technology you have over
[1:25:33] terms of safely the site is secure other
planes or do other sites currently use
[1:25:39] while cameras. So these cameras can
monitor our vehicles personnel as well
[1:25:45] as their travel and coordinate where
they are going against their
[1:25:50] constitutional rights.
[1:26:00] So privacy is a real concern
and I will tell you this we have every
[1:26:08] right to be concerned about your
engineers are our youth. I can tell you
[1:26:14] that or is not associated with, you
know, trapping tracking. only cameras
[1:26:20] that only would be would be for secure
areas and for the traffic that would
[1:26:27] actually be going within the technology
centers themselves. And those are neatly
[1:26:32] pointed at cars as they're constructed
between and exhale. Um there's no reason
[1:26:38] for the panelist
externally to the community or what have
[1:26:42] you. It would be open to secure defense
line in those coming into the data
[1:26:48] center or going out or other secure
areas.
[1:26:56] » My last question, I'm a fan of Have you
ever seen the movie
[1:27:02] There Willow?
[1:27:21] Um I know that you've already said
[1:27:26] are you prepared to mention any kind of
environmental impact assessments
[1:27:31] specifically about the local ecosystem
[1:27:36] and if so um you
I'm assuming that available
[1:27:49] » um environment studies are usually
things associated with large diagnosis
[1:27:55] if you if you build a large material
interface
[1:28:04] through the federal energy regulatory
machine that includes a what they call
[1:28:10] study. It's essentially an UG study on
impacts to the environment and there's
[1:28:17] one super deep and there's one that's
not based upon initial findings and so
[1:28:21] those those phes required by the state
those type of studies for our project
[1:28:27] because it's so localized our stud is
called it's called EAS phase one and
[1:28:33] that stands for you know it's
environmental um
[1:28:38] is an environmental report that covers
things like um you know heritage. Are
[1:28:44] there any remains from you know native
you know destinations? Um are there any
[1:28:50] animal effects? Is there any um impact
on flora you know waterways
[1:28:56] that nature? um as part of that, you
know, things like geotech and all those
[1:29:02] kind of things. And so, um the previous
owner has done that, but you know, we
[1:29:08] could do that again for our specific
project and make that available to the
[1:29:14] city for reviewing.
[1:29:21] Um, currently federal work is not police
department and our law enforcement needs
[1:29:27] are being currently met by our county
sheriff and the state police. Uh, we
[1:29:33] also rely on a volunteer fire department
that is experiencing a declining
[1:29:38] membership.
Given the real possibility of increased
[1:29:42] security risks and high emergency
preparedness needs, what system
[1:29:47] commitments are you prepared to make
regardless of security, physical
[1:29:52] security, coordination of local and
county emergency response needs?
[1:30:01] » Sorry. So typically in a high-tech
campus, you'll have your own security
[1:30:07] force that services the campus and they
coordinated with local law enforcement.
[1:30:13] Now what you saying is that your local
law enforcement is fairly slim. So as
[1:30:19] part of the training benefit agreement,
that's one of the things that we talk
[1:30:23] about and say what makes sense in terms
of how we collaborate and cooperate. I
[1:30:29] wonder if they talk about tax
um the tax available to just the city of
[1:30:37] as well as the county the sheriff of the
county police city. um that active could
[1:30:44] certainly be used you know in that
capacity and that's subject to that's
[1:30:49] subject to discussions between you know
the the city
[1:30:58] I can also tell you this and companies
that I've worked
[1:31:06] with equipment and other types of issues
so I think we need to register
[1:31:18] And obviously most likely council
members questions some of them have been
[1:31:23] sort of touched on and I'm not going to
[clears throat] keep
[1:31:27] questions out there. I think this is a
question that everybody kind of listen.
[1:31:35] Yeah. Lots of different options on these
Wi-Fi.
[1:31:39] » Yes.
That's
[1:31:46] » so
[1:31:53] other than
[1:31:58] » I'll tell you why both qualitatively and
quantitatively
[1:32:04] quantitatively
because there's things for in terms of
[1:32:11] land zoning ordinance. Um who don't like
to be next to or don't like to be next
[1:32:17] to um you know adjacent to rural not
residential because of the impact that
[1:32:25] it potentially has on homes. And so we
look for things like offers um and also
[1:32:31] things like you know rogues access and
those kind of things trust you know um
[1:32:37] the data center themselves have a
classification on where they actually to
[1:32:40] be. One of those is is there a is there
a workforce that they can invest in and
[1:32:49] and build um is there you know can you
get jobs through the college district
[1:32:56] and other things right and so quantif
[1:33:02] because of you know all the things that
we look for exterior and industrial zone
[1:33:09] um piece of land we're
of the partial eye is some today
[1:33:14] industrial tube and if you look at
design in industrial tube the things
[1:33:19] that can be put there are pretty amazing
[snorts]
[1:33:22] you put a plant area instead of you know
um R&D chemical and you know different
[1:33:29] things of that nature and we're not
looking to do anything of that nature um
[1:33:33] we're actually looking to use
technologies that have minimal that have
[1:33:37] minimal impact Okay,
[1:33:42] » you know, just because a [snorts] city
meets certain criteria
[1:33:46] doesn't mean that you're going to go
investing a billion dollars there.
[1:33:51] The reason you invest in a billion
dollars because you think it would be a
[1:33:54] good investment. Like somebody said
earlier, well, what if what if you get
[1:33:59] left is your leftovers.
Um I don't know on the planet somebody
[1:34:05] does10 billion dollars and grows a large
campus project at the scale that is
[1:34:10] critical to a lot of things we do plus
our national security and then just
[1:34:15] vacating
um so
[1:34:21] um yeah so
if you look at in 1700
[1:34:29] found
came the railroads came in 1800s
[1:34:35] and it became a regional verdict.
the world today is one of the way
[1:34:42] technology
the the next evolution of the next
[1:34:46] evolution is to figure out how to
integrate with technology even if you
[1:34:51] don't buy into data centers you still
have to think about this and I think
[1:34:56] about this and and you know if I can
just speak there from my personal
[1:34:59] experience
you know when I think about my six days
[1:35:04] they're facing the world of technology
and um and and you know that's the
[1:35:11] that's the reality and I want them to
have a good job. I want them to be able
[1:35:16] to embrace their future line and to have
options for their careers. And
[1:35:24] has that opportunity to do exactly to do
exactly that
[1:35:41] much
in terms of you know, complain about
[1:35:45] water. Um, I saw on Facebook
that, you know, here it is that we want
[1:35:52] to come and offer a solution to partner
with the city or county to build our
[1:35:56] infrastructure. Um, that is an
opportunity through a community benefit
[1:36:00] agreement that is on the table. So, this
is what I ask before everyone just says,
[1:36:06] "No, at least consider what is put on
the paper and the commitments they're
[1:36:10] making and trust your leadership. to
show up and like you did tonight and let
[1:36:16] your voice be heard and and let's get to
something that is meaningful for
[1:36:20] everybody together.
[1:36:32] » Are you just or you ask
questions? [laughter]
[1:36:39] council
[1:36:51] member and a resident. I have a lot of
concerns.
[1:36:56] I have a lot of
[1:37:02] questions about the you
[1:37:09] environment that they affect the garden
and how
[1:37:13] um the um
electricity
[1:37:19] » um that was a goodation
and everything and the setup
[1:37:26] Your presentation was wonderful, but
benefit
[1:37:31] from coming into those. You're telling
us all the good things that Pebblesburg
[1:37:36] will benefit but we can't can you
guarantee us 100%
[1:37:43] that there will not be any environmental
issues that there will not be any noise
[1:37:48] issues that there will not be any power
outages that it will not be any gas
[1:37:54] problem that it will not affect us the
community in the citizens and resident
[1:38:01] of
[1:38:13] Yes or no?
[1:38:21] » No.
[1:38:25] So the answer is is no. Can I can I say
there be any problem? large develop
[1:38:34] I can say
deliciously the city if there's any
[1:38:38] issues that would come up we do
monitoring systems and things like that
[1:38:43] that in place so that way
you are when they do have to address
[1:38:48] them straight away but at this point we
don't even have so we have a community
[1:38:53] so we're just going to put things in
place so that those things do not occur
[1:38:57] Any
[1:39:02] other
[1:39:07] committee?
[1:39:14] So, so the commitment, so the commit, so
the commitment to develop is that we
[1:39:20] will follow
guidelines set out by the city and the
[1:39:24] county and that we go
that meets why you as a city council
[1:39:30] member
[1:39:34] and there
[1:39:40] would be to build to the standards badly
Or it was just for
[1:39:48] anesthetic.
[1:39:53] And then
[1:40:05] the back
[1:40:17] or
[1:40:23] Are there any space here?
[1:40:33] » All right, we start first
[1:40:38] of
the first one is Peggy P.
[1:40:48] Is there any budget?
[1:41:01] And everybody
[1:41:07] » based on everything I've heard and
everything that I've done in research
[1:41:11] with regards to myself, I personally
believe that the county should make a
[1:41:16] decision. Us as residents, the entire
federal and county should vote on this.
[1:41:23] » Yes. on a ballot along with clockwise.
[1:42:02] And we pay our tax for the town. We
should decide what we want in this town.
[1:42:06] We stand up.
He has to blow away.
[1:42:21] question is from 20
[1:42:41] So I did a quick Google search
on negative impact of data centers on
[1:42:49] communities in LA County.
Does this work or what Dr. Google had to
[1:42:58] say?
Data centers
[1:43:03] strain loudly infrastructure due to
massive water consumption, noise
[1:43:09] pollution from cooling systems and
backup generators and degraded air
[1:43:14] quality. Furthermore, they drive up
residential electricity grades to fund
[1:43:21] required grid upgrades and push out
other commercial developments.
[1:43:28] Key impacts among local communities,
grid strain, and rising utility bills.
[1:43:34] Data centers in Northern Virginia
consume vast amounts of electricity,
[1:43:39] leading to massive infrastructure
upgrades that are leased directly to
[1:43:44] local gray conveyors. Dominion Energy
projects, sorry, project significant
[1:43:51] increases in monthly residential bills
to pay for these new transmission lines.
[1:43:56] Water consumption facilities place a
heavy burden on municipal water systems
[1:44:01] for server cooling in LA data center
water use has more than doubled in
[1:44:09] recent years straining regional drinking
water supplies.
[1:44:14] noise and air pollution. Loud residents
near us and areas like Sterling
[1:44:19] frequently import constant low frequency
homes and high pitch wines from rooftop
[1:44:26] units. Additionally, the hundreds of
onsite emergency diesel and gas
[1:44:31] generators emit harmful
cos such as nitrogen oxides and
[1:44:38] particulate
when running during outages. The man
[1:44:43] response event or contin.
[1:45:14] Hello everybody. Um, my name is I live
in Northchester County, but I spend
[1:45:20] about half of my 18 hours a year.
With all due respect, So you don't know
[1:45:26] the ones that we are actually working
with with representatives. All the
[1:45:30] wonderful promises that you make, you're
not the ones that are actually going to
[1:45:35] have to follow through on that.
[1:45:41] » I don't think that a data center is the
solution to the monetary debt that we
[1:45:46] are in
[1:45:53] any temporary relief.
which has resulted from potential
[1:45:57] mismanagement for crippling long-term
and irreversible contamination and
[1:46:03] corruption of our natural rural
community and culture
[1:46:07] non-stop and this noise light pollution.
We all live out here. We have all homes
[1:46:13] out here because it's quiet. We can see
the night sky. There will be an impact
[1:46:18] on them to some degree regardless of
what you're trying to put in place.
[1:46:22] Again, we don't know that that's
actually going to happen. The EPA has
[1:46:27] not always protected us from things like
this. Um,
[1:46:40] Yeah, we need to heard about that. Um,
the EPA is not going to always protect
[1:46:44] us and stuff like that. When these do
happen, there's only so much that
[1:46:49] they're going to do quickly and by the
time that all the studies are done, we
[1:46:54] talked about doing studies,
they fail their loopholes to get out of
[1:46:58] them.
[1:47:05] A lot of
invitation of abuse besides exaggerated
[1:47:10] monetary change. What do they actually
have to offer us?
[1:47:48] background on the audience. Okay, this
is
[1:47:53] and we're short. We don't like short
hall.
[1:48:06] Everybody agree 100% public safety. We
lost our police. So we don't have a lot
[1:48:12] of custo
[1:48:18] [clears throat]
[1:48:28] taxpayers
we should have pretty good
[1:48:33] infrastructure going on but I
>> so
[1:48:40] good luck
>> [laughter]
[1:49:03] » So, I got two questions here. The first
one was for you. You're saying that this
[1:49:07] is a um you're bringing your own power
which um that can be okay and not at the
[1:49:14] same time because depending what you're
burning up in the air is going to
[1:49:18] reflect all of you guys and I'm from
southern Virginia. I've been here about
[1:49:23] three years now. So I can see the
difference between western Maryland and
[1:49:27] eastern Maryland because it's the same
as Virginia and West Virginia because
[1:49:31] they're two different states in case you
guys did not know that. But the question
[1:49:36] pertain to you is are you how can we how
can we ensure that they're not going to
[1:49:41] be polluted by the diesel fumes for the
turbines that are going to be running on
[1:49:46] these data centers
[1:49:55] is so first let me tell you how to
design it be um the first hour we're
[1:50:02] going to show cells it's a zero
[clears throat] person
[1:50:06] and cargo. So right there, if you're
from West Virginia, you're from West
[1:50:12] Virginia, you know,
a lot of problems.
[1:50:18] » But it's a cold town
>> and it's a company
[1:50:24] heavy natural gas.
Yes.
[1:50:28] » So, so the point the point is that the
system would be designed to
[1:50:36] um one minimize emissions to reuse those
emissions for productive use and I know
[1:50:43] there's in the room but this is what I
ask you to do. Even as you meet this
[1:50:50] meeting tonight,
I'm going to ask you if you'll just go
[1:50:55] look at some of the technologies that
are available and what that means. There
[1:50:59] are ways to communicate this. Now, the
other question is you're asking how do
[1:51:03] we know that you're going to do that?
[1:51:09] » Is there testing?
you guys have the same thing happens
[1:51:13] over and over again because whoever
whoever's building it or the owners of
[1:51:18] the company to bring in their own
testing. How can the public have their
[1:51:21] own third party testing? Yeah.
>> So, so
[1:51:28] are subject to to study and it's a
federal requirement that you have to
[1:51:34] consider studying you have to meet those
emissions on a partly basis.
[1:51:41] Um, is there any plans for using the
heat waves into any any
[1:51:47] questions?
Um, and that's exactly what we're
[1:51:51] talking about is using the heat waste
and using that for
[1:51:57] using that for um using that to generate
clean air
[1:52:02] and using that potentially to have a
utility utility which would not just be
[1:52:09] for the um for the project. will be for
them to
[1:52:19] » that's not
[1:52:52] So, I do want to say that you were
talking about your six kids and I just
[1:52:55] want to tell you that I have one and I
want to leave my house and I want to
[1:52:59] leave him here to bring the water.
[1:53:04] The other one I mean I'm not you started
at this meeting and you said that there
[1:53:08] were two steps to the process on what
allowability. So I know that we go back
[1:53:14] to allowability. I'm actually going to
agree with Tim and that we should be
[1:53:18] looking at is this allowable? Do we want
this? And then setting up the things in
[1:53:22] place. This is the lady spoke about
statutes and whatnot. If we're already
[1:53:26] to a place that a commitment has been
made to have more conversation, I think
[1:53:31] we need to have more education to have
that conversation and then that needs to
[1:53:35] be of those. it go because right now I
don't think we have people that have
[1:53:41] this. So
[1:54:02] I
went to this school. Um so I did a
[1:54:08] little Google tip for the lady who came
up here earlier after Google. I did a
[1:54:11] little bit more depth than that. Um
according to the environmental and
[1:54:15] energy study institute which is a
bipartis
[1:54:20] um mediumiz data centers uh use 110
millions gallons of water each year. Um
[1:54:27] that's to a thousand households. I don't
know if you know this word according to
[1:54:32] census reporter.org
has 2,800 people in it. I don't think
[1:54:37] that's a thousand households. Um, larger
data centers per year can use about 1.8
[1:54:43] billion gallons of water, which is
equivalent to a town with 10 to 50,000
[1:54:48] people in it. So, I think it's a little
overmatched there. Um, taking a look at
[1:54:54] just in terms of what happens with these
water systems. These water systems use
[1:54:58] chemicals to prevent algae from growing
in them. And those chemicals need to go
[1:55:03] somewhere eventually. Typically that
goes back into nature and that can not
[1:55:08] only cause issues for local plant life
and things like that. Um in addition um
[1:55:14] salt dust comes from these data centers.
They use the salt in the data center
[1:55:19] that can increase the salinity of local
water supplies and things like that
[1:55:23] killing animals and plants that live in
these local water supplies. Um,
[1:55:27] according to Consumer Reports, uh,
electricity in the last year, electric
[1:55:32] prices have jumped 7.1%, which is double
the inflation rate in the United States.
[1:55:37] In some states, it's going up as high as
20%. Um, on average in federal Maryland,
[1:55:42] I know this according to energy
savings.com, most people in federal
[1:55:46] work, Maryland per month spend about 200
$231 on electricity. Um just imagine
[1:55:52] that jumping by 20% jumping by more than
that according to like a usage and
[1:55:57] things like that. Um according to a
study by the University of Michigan um I
[1:56:02] know that the data centers have promised
to create a lot of jobs and he even
[1:56:06] admitted that they are temporary most of
those jobs which he mentions.
[1:56:13] You admitted that you said the temporary
construction. I don't want you to argue
[1:56:16] with Jacob. I have my
[1:56:28] mistake. It sounds too good to be true.
It probably is.
[1:56:42] It looks like Nathan.
[1:57:01] So, as much as they want to say it's not
going to affect your property value,
[1:57:06] nobody wants a data center in your town.
So,
[1:57:12] people move in this town and buy your
house. Who's going to move to this town
[1:57:17] and buy a house next to you that's going
to be vacant because people are moving
[1:57:21] out of here because of that,
you know, and then we're going to end up
[1:57:25] with all kinds of slumps because of this
place. You know, they want to sit here
[1:57:30] and talk. They're just people for this
business. They're being kid.
[1:57:56] » Hi, my name is
and I'm a 17-year-old junior in high
[1:58:00] school. But I believe I see for a vast
majority of both people my age and
[1:58:06] adults don't want this thing in here. I
believe that there be more bad for our
[1:58:11] society than good. The town is filled
with beautiful families and loving
[1:58:15] children. This data will disrupt
everyone's lives. The massive amount of
[1:58:19] noise pollution, the unclean water
that's top of the earth drinking water
[1:58:23] eventually will be corrupted and our big
day lives interrupted. We will not have
[1:58:27] peace in us all town anymore.
We we are million dollars of debt. But
[1:58:35] instead of going to our home place
and say whatever we decide to use it on
[1:58:44] a data center a single data center as
much as
[1:58:50] we don't even have first of all a study
problem
[1:58:58] data center to uh represent up to 12% of
all electricity consumption by 2028. I
[1:59:05] don't understand how that will help
anybody, but I don't I don't want to
[1:59:10] grow up in this town if it's going to be
like this. I remember it being lovely. I
[1:59:14] remember it being beautiful. I remember
it being a safe community for people to
[1:59:17] run around and have fun and laugh with
their families, but how are we supposed
[1:59:21] to do that? And we can't even walk
outside without breathing any nasty air
[1:59:25] freaking nasty uncle. Please
[1:59:48] My wife and I just bought our first home
here.
[1:59:54] Um,
this is a wonderful town my experience
[1:59:57] so far. However, the loss of the data
center made me reconsider by my own.
[2:00:03] Eventually, we decided to do something
here and I decided to use my voice as a
[2:00:07] member of this community out. The fact
that we are allowing this to even be
[2:00:12] considered is our morals. These data
centers destroy the local environment,
[2:00:16] raise energy consumption and rain's
lives. These people here are pushing
[2:00:20] questions about every related and so I
am not in any way like
[2:00:28] encourage to believe what you have to
say when you don't answer our damn
[2:00:32] questions. [snorts]
[2:00:37] » I love this first date with my beautiful
wife was over. How do I know that that's
[2:00:43] not only my life but the ship going on
in the world?
[2:00:48] I have a testimonial.
[2:01:20] I think we all
[2:01:41] » right.
[2:01:47] Okay.
[2:02:09] So many permanent positions in
[clears throat] a data center involve
[2:02:13] highly specialized occupations and
according to the census data for county
[2:02:19] only 16 16.6% single% of adults hold a
bath degree or higher and only about
[2:02:24] 3.9% of the county's workforce hold
[2:02:30] more specialized intern.
So, can the developer demonstrate that
[2:02:35] Caroline County has a workforce even
capable of filling specialized positions
[2:02:39] and also consider some of these
positions take years and require the
[2:02:43] need to train and education.
[2:02:49] I want you to answer my question.
[2:03:10] The question was,
is the is the developer
[2:03:17] can the developer demonstrate that car
county has a workforce capable of
[2:03:20] filling these specialized positions?
[2:03:27] » I really want to answer question. Yes.
Yes.
[2:03:30] Okay,
I'm ask question I want I want to say
[2:03:37] my assumption is that everybody in this
room is smart, intelligent and has job.
[2:03:44] They do great at their job their jobs
and one thing
[2:03:49] [laughter] I need to say I think and my
citizen my assumption is that order is
[2:03:57] taken. Okay, I talk about John Street
and your sons, your daughters, you your
[2:04:04] your wife, your your husband, your
grandparents. They're smart people.
[2:04:11] Bird is smart people.
[2:04:16] I've listened to a lot
of
[2:04:21] background
started as a
[2:04:30] And you know what?
And and he built something here. You
[2:04:34] build a regional hub in the 1800s when
you build a
[2:04:40] hub with aulture and 1950s
was long for any school. So
[2:04:53] the question asked me because 16.2% of
people that only have a bachelor's
[2:05:00] degree. In order for me to for me to
answer that question, I have to see that
[2:05:05] the people are not editable. And I'm not
going to do that. I think that every
[2:05:10] person in this room is capable of. And
you know what?
[2:05:16] We bring you for technology. Every
person here can get that out. So
[2:05:27] great job.
[2:06:02] Maybe
where is this location?
[2:06:09] » So there's your idea of park.
[2:06:23] I don't know much about
or if you even down the back road.
[2:06:31] So we are community
always a community. You guys understand
[2:06:37] Maryland is Maryland. We're not we're
the system.
[2:06:49] It goes over the baby.
So with that being said, [clears throat]
[2:06:56] with all the water that's going to be
used, what's it going to do to the crop?
[2:07:00] What's it going to do to the farmer when
it's another 102 degree day and we're
[2:07:05] going to have 5:00 in the morning field
and irrigation water? What's it going to
[2:07:13] do with the crop? What's it going to do?
We have wild races deer. A lot of us
[2:07:21] like to hunt like the fish.
We ride off. We're redneck.
[2:07:31] But what we do on the shore, we do not
know. But you're
[2:07:36] a city. Go to the western.
[2:07:48] I like to sit home at night
quiet mess with you. You can have a
[2:07:55] that's
a lot to my house brother. I can hear
[2:08:02] stuff that happen in dark container.
So, how is this going to happen
[2:08:08] when I get your dark container from the
sand?
[2:08:26] » Put the technology in place that
these were technologies. Um I'm trying
[2:08:32] to get the best of my knowledge which is
there are ways to mitigate noise so that
[2:08:39] the residential so that you know closely
here won't won't hear them. Um I've also
[2:08:46] heard many questions after I stated
systems which are very technologies that
[2:08:54] were going to take the water.
Um I've heard that we're going to
[2:09:00] connect the interest rates to raise when
we're not even asking utility to do
[2:09:06] anything for us
and will fuel our own power. So that
[2:09:15] don't increase. We'll use emission
technologies that don't that will um
[2:09:21] lower emissions
um and we'll do other things to do
[2:09:26] things like that. infrastructure and
give the money the the city that she
[2:09:32] desires and we can do all of those
things. But we fellow
[2:09:40] to give us an opportunity to do that
and we will do that and provide the
[2:09:46] opportunity to do so.
[2:10:01] Thank you.
[2:10:05] Right here in town,
[2:10:09] but we do have concerns about water and
electric and all the same things that I
[2:10:16] you know what I'm hearing from this
gentleman is that they're create their
[2:10:20] own liquor. uh that they're not going to
use your water that they're going to
[2:10:24] have recycling systems and there's other
ways to do that. I guess I'm willing to
[2:10:29] hear that out, but there's a lot of
other issues I'm concerned about. And
[2:10:32] the major concern I have, especially
being an older gentleman, is what do I
[2:10:38] do with my own trigger
[2:10:43] at least
knowledge that we have? If something
[2:10:47] happened, the systems you put in didn't
work. had to do something different. But
[2:10:52] now we go to broader the only option we
had.
[2:10:56] I can't go see you guys. You guys have
corporate volume.
[2:11:03] I could spend five years $100,000 and
still not get there. So my question is
[2:11:10] are you willing to put it on where he
will you put an escal fund in place is
[2:11:18] handled by the city of feathers
[2:11:28] like myself
[2:11:32] that the problem was caused by this. Are
you
[2:11:46] » someone else?
[2:11:51] You ask very question.
[2:11:56] Um
I can't speak for the ultimate operator
[2:12:01] of the data center whether or not
they're going to be able
[2:12:04] that's very serious people but I am
telling you this is that we are not
[2:12:09] going to connect to water
there very strong restrictions
[2:12:17] around water
such as New York and we will not be in
[2:12:22] house or else going we won't be using
from
[2:12:38] your man.
[2:12:49] » Hi, I'm in this uh town for a very long
time. I chose to stay here. I chose to
[2:12:56] have my kids educated here and I still
live there today. My problem is this.
[2:13:04] The infrastructure you're talking about,
Billy is right behind my house. What
[2:13:10] guarantees are you going to give me that
well?
[2:13:14] I am not going to get any kind of
pollution over my house. You're talking
[2:13:21] about
I know you all that he sp my house in
[2:13:26] the fall over that field. I have deer
behind me just about every night. What
[2:13:33] guarantees are you going to give me that
this isn't going to harm my family, my
[2:13:38] house, my water, my animals, and the
animals that live in the forest and fly
[2:13:46] over me.
[2:13:54] I have a proposal
and
[2:13:58] please this is the proposal
[2:14:03] Sheldon and I will bring any extra that
you want on the topics here today
[2:14:14] and we'll sit down and we'll show you
exactly send us to answer your questions
[2:14:21] and ask that so they understand how the
system design what they do what have you
[2:14:30] so the questions you can ask it's like
how do we know whether we can we can
[2:14:35] trust you the best really the best that
I can do is is to show our we're the
[2:14:41] experts that well
and we can sit there we can talk about
[2:14:47] this um that we could talk about the
commands and we're going to go in depth
[2:14:52] with you so that you can feel
comfortable that we're not using water,
[2:14:57] we're not using power, we have effective
airation land, we're reducing reducing
[2:15:03] the emissions for good reasons, okay,
that we're talking about what community
[2:15:09] benefit agreements look like, okay? And
how can you be sure that those benefits
[2:15:14] are going to improve to you and your
children and the people that you care
[2:15:19] about? You show [clears throat] up and
you go answer those questions.
[2:15:25] Why topic?
with experts, not us. People who are
[2:15:30] supposed to stand and you can ask
question.
[2:15:51] All I'm saying, all I'm saying is that
is okay.
[2:15:57] I just
if if you thought if you thought for a
[2:16:02] second that I was a truthful then you
know what I address
[2:16:24] » I'm not the
I was ask
[2:16:31] any question
we're going to do it. That's the best
[2:16:35] that we can offer and you know we're
going to work together town halls
[2:16:39] working sessions whatever you know and
we come and ask your ask your question
[2:16:44] here's the thing I don't want to have
happen
[2:16:47] there is opportunity here for
county and you know I understand there's
[2:16:54] a lot of data out there I'm just
encouraging you deeply dive into
[2:16:58] [clears throat] your data understand
the benefits are being awkward and and
[2:17:04] we're still very
[2:17:08] but
[2:17:30] Liberty Road.
Thank you, hell, you bless your heart.
[2:17:36] Uh, currently, right now, there are 15
states that are considered abandoning or
[2:17:42] restricting data centers in the state of
Maryland, Frederick County, Montgomery,
[2:17:48] Virginia have put six months on Prince
George's County is considering a
[2:17:54] two-year pause. I want to know, is this
why you are here?
[2:18:09] before
we were um working on
[2:18:14] studying before for project
[2:18:26] one.
[2:18:39] They didn't come here all the
remember
[2:18:46] great grand
[2:18:58] I stay
backyard
[2:19:06] from data center
[2:19:10] to drive miles.
The fish had to go nap.
[2:19:38] It don't come back out same way.
And when you say
[2:19:52] today
and you say it's not
[2:20:03] talking about that
[2:20:08] last thing I want to say when you guys
to your community,
[2:20:15] you're bringing a problem.
That's exactly what we bring.
[2:20:21] 8,000 data across this country right
now. 8,000 and they're growing four.
[2:20:29] So you don't think that ain't going to
program that they got on this computer.
[2:20:37] Yeah. What is it going to do?
Today
[2:20:45] is going to be
[2:21:12] My name is Kane and I am 17 and I live
in Puddlesburg and I am against the idea
[2:21:17] of a data center in Puddlesburg. Having
a data center in Puddlesburg would
[2:21:21] create dead sentence for this town. data
center tons of water and electricity
[2:21:24] every single day. By putting a data
center in our town, water from our river
[2:21:29] that runs through Federalsburg will be
used to help along the center whether
[2:21:32] that's now or later. This will impact
the animals and the wildlife that live
[2:21:36] in and the Gulf of the river, but it
will also impact the people and the
[2:21:39] memories that um people make the river
every day. Not only will the data center
[2:21:44] impact the wildlife with this water
usage, but it will impact the people
[2:21:48] living in Flesburg as well. According to
Whitfield study from the University of
[2:21:51] Georgia, potential consequences of the
data center include include reduced
[2:21:55] drinking water availability, lower water
water
[2:22:00] reduce
connection to ground water and this
[2:22:03] would directly impact people in
Flesburg. Data centers also use a lot of
[2:22:07] electricity which would be would put a
lot of pressure on that's already
[2:22:12] struggling even as you upgrade it. When
data centers are not electricity that
[2:22:16] power their computers, they are gas that
gas which releases into the air and can
[2:22:20] cause health issues on pollution. And
it's not just gas that gets released
[2:22:23] into the air. Another field study from
the University of Georgia that says that
[2:22:27] they are a combination of other correct
chemicals that get released that are
[2:22:30] used to prevent erosion. And when our
water rates off the systems and our
[2:22:35] water goes back,
[2:22:40] it will contain those forever. This
would literally be poisoning us through
[2:22:44] our air and grow our water. This would
not only affect the town federal, but it
[2:22:48] would impact the towns around us. And
this is only a few of the many problems
[2:22:51] in data center. Even if these changes
won't be noticed immediately, and there
[2:22:55] will be long-term consequences to
building a data center. Think about it.
[2:22:59] The people wildlife in history, you
would be impacted by building a data
[2:23:02] center in this town. Photos would not be
able to recover from [laughter] the
[2:23:05] damage at data center. And the damage
would not only impact photos, but it
[2:23:09] would impact town as well. I know there
are a lot of people here today that also
[2:23:14] data center and I advise you to listen
to the people of this town and do not
[2:23:17] build a data center. We do not want a
data center or any part of the order. Do
[2:23:22] not sell us.
Thank you.
[2:23:36] Susan
[2:23:40] ask.
[2:24:01] » I want to know that the data set that
you can how close are communities to I
[2:24:08] will live directly across
>> along with other
[2:24:15] and I'd like to know the owner of the
land where you
[2:24:26] » I'm sorry
and
[2:24:30] the status
[2:24:35] before
[2:24:52] my first question for you. I'm ask
questions. Please write them answer.
[2:25:01] Uh, I get it that you're here to
educate. Not once did I hear you say
[2:25:06] anything negative about that
distribution.
[2:25:13] » You mentioned multiple times the 95.
[2:25:21] Uh, there's plenty of out.
uh who are your strongers and who are
[2:25:27] your numbers is what I look like
[2:25:36] with your fairy tale over here that does
not even exist and you're the numbers
[2:25:42] add up I understand very well the
technology
[2:25:46] a little closer
[2:25:51] because they just poison the ground
while I down the system.
[2:26:03] In fact, you never going to touch that.
I can't believe you for one minute. So,
[2:26:08] you're going to water that not only
affects this state, but Delaware all the
[2:26:14] way to the Ches Bay and Virginia.
Uh, I get it. Ladies and gentlemen are
[2:26:21] probably not the ones we talking to you
brothers
[2:26:29] did not love. I am the sixth generation.
the seventh and eighth generation play.
[2:26:43] That's why
[2:26:48] the technology talk about technology
where it doesn't exist and it's not
[2:26:58] Answer
[2:27:10] the question.
[2:27:14] » Next question.
[2:27:36] You were fools.
[2:27:42] » Technology
repeating yourself again.
[2:27:51] what we've been federal since 1981.
I think we've heard a lot about what can
[2:27:58] be done, but we haven't heard what they
will do. Um,
[2:28:09] a lot of people touched on that
consumption, the water usage and the
[2:28:14] noise, but there's also the eway, the
frequent hardware upgrades upgrades and
[2:28:21] replacements generate significant volume
of electronic waste
[2:28:26] um rotation risk flooding um
natural disasters um and impact
[2:28:34] operations and impact local
infrastructure. I've only ever heard how
[2:28:39] the fire department would ever be able
to respond to a fire in a place like
[2:28:44] this. Would they have an fire department
on on site?
[2:28:55] » That's very concerning. This is fine.
Are we all going to be elapating to
[2:28:59] China?
[2:29:03] So one of the concern big concern about
that one thing I was so concerned about
[2:29:09] what is the Maryland Tech Council
and is it affiliating with the
[2:29:14] government the Maryland government? No.
So is it a lobbying group?
[2:29:22] » Yes.
>> So does it tell me if you're a lobbying
[2:29:25] group? It's just saying nonprofit.
[2:29:36] » Yeah, those are both of mine. So, the
marijuana tech council is an
[2:29:39] organization that's been around for 41
years to advance the idea of innovation
[2:29:43] and technology in general, right? So we
work with firms in order to be able to
[2:29:49] create an environment an ecosystem to am
I allowed to answer this question
[2:29:55] without somebody pointing at me in the
face and screaming at me.
[2:29:58] » Thank you because I'm going to
we were born 21 years ago in order to be
[2:30:05] able to create an ecosystem of health
and environments and technology by
[2:30:09] innovation to be able to help humans. a
large part of our organization with bio
[2:30:13] health and life science biotech those
organizations that are every single day
[2:30:18] doing research and development to save
everybody in this room from sickness to
[2:30:23] be able to diagnose to be able to create
therapies and to create pharmaceutical
[2:30:27] opportunities for the other half of my
organization is technology oriented it's
[2:30:32] innovation like data centers like AI
like cyber security like working with
[2:30:37] our federal government and national
security issues like drone
[2:30:41] like the drones that I visited here in
the agricultural community to help with
[2:30:45] the farming that's happening in
agricultural communities all over the
[2:30:48] state and all over the country. That's
what the Maryland Tech Council does. We
[2:30:52] have a 501c6. We do have a 501c3
umbrella underneath us. But we operate
[2:30:57] as 501c an educational opportunity to
talk about technology and innovation so
[2:31:05] that Maryland can continue to be
competitive
[2:31:09] because Maryland needs to be
competitive. We need to be able to
[2:31:12] create your jobs. finish.
[2:31:25] » You're not allowed.
[2:31:29] » So,
[2:31:33] have you guys would you guys request
that any um official sign a
[2:31:39] non-disclosure?
>> No.
[2:32:03] I live in Liberty Road behind us and I
travel every day. Um the company that
[2:32:11] was going to purchase the land
for salmon farm, they do have it
[2:32:20] to mar.
[2:32:24] » Okay. Because my thing is if you need
water from somewhere else, are you going
[2:32:30] to use that word? Because there's that
search breeding ground.
[2:32:35] They're protected.
[2:32:49] The word
[2:32:53] am
[2:33:01] that's not how
[2:33:10] Where else are they?
[2:33:14] You guys don't live
[2:33:33] also.
So,
[2:33:36] so the question is if we're going to
spur
[2:33:41] I said no.
The reason that we have a closed loop
[2:33:46] system is so that a larger property and
it's reused and so that doesn't get out
[2:33:54] into the stream.
[2:34:08] » So we're not water.
So it's not going to make it to the
[2:34:13] regular marsh this morning.
[2:34:20] No.
[2:34:24] No.
[2:34:28] Water and technology.
[2:34:54] First and foremost, I'm not a rich tour,
but I moved here almost 18 years ago
[2:35:00] because this town made me feel like my
hometown
[2:35:12] has changed I'm not I get to start.
I know what it takes to run data center.
[2:35:20] I know what can happen. I've been there.
We don't have we didn't have closing
[2:35:26] systems. We do now. Yes, there are
benefits and there are pros and cons to
[2:35:31] it. What I will say if this gets
approved with big ass what measures you
[2:35:38] have in place for federal laws and
regulation that you will be inspecting
[2:35:43] and ordered on a yearly basis.
[2:35:50] So the um by law bylaw it's already
going
[2:35:58] » the state
of Maryland's
[2:36:18] there's
which air
[2:36:21] and that is a federal standard and if
you violate that standard they will
[2:36:35] from aation
from a federal government perspective
[2:36:39] they get more right and there's
elections a lot of those elections are
[2:36:44] done outside a separate agency a third
party so Does it all made in the
[2:36:50] government first? Are they done using
third party?
[2:36:56] » So there's lots of government
third party training groups that have
[2:37:03] certifications
and training and they do the regular
[2:37:07] inspection and then report to report to
state
[2:37:13] inspection.
So those two developed are there metrics
[2:37:18] that you guys are measuring against
for me if I were to look at that. the
[2:37:24] way
[2:37:27] from an air standle there's
every every county in the United States
[2:37:34] of America is is
and they put out a registry measures a
[2:37:40] bunch of things 24-hour pollution
[2:37:45] and they measure and they part
and if your county doesn't meet the
[2:37:51] requirements they
[2:37:55] um enter
those
[2:38:02] if you're not entertainment then you
won't receive the permanent you won't be
[2:38:07] able to
[2:38:13] deny that I'm not disregarding anybody
just from where I come from a cyber
[2:38:20] security perspective
If you have vulnerability and you don't
[2:38:25] protect that vulnerability and you don't
do anything,
[2:38:28] they will shut off. That's what kind of
sounds like
[2:38:44] Kathy
Greg
[2:38:51] verse four.
[2:39:12] Hi
[2:39:20] my own virtual
lived on radio for close to 50 years. Uh
[2:39:27] I live out at the end of it until 3
years ago and now I live in three towns
[2:39:34] away from being in town across the
street from his town on the way out. I
[2:39:41] had water and I had a pound steel
available to go to. So just about
[2:39:48] uh
I can't even listen to what was said. Uh
[2:39:54] I'm not an engineer
when I worked in the mechanical trade
[2:39:59] for over 50 years.
of you talking about you're going to
[2:40:05] have gas plants and generate your
electricity that's going to take a
[2:40:09] massive amount gau
it is
[2:40:14] that is true also heating I understand
you're going to use high efficiency low
[2:40:21] heating systems that can reach probably
up to 96% efficiency
[2:40:27] and low demar
and full demand they're going to be
[2:40:31] about 60% % efficiency and you left that
part out but that is bad. So that would
[2:40:36] be polluting the air pretty heavily at
that point. Check me I don't want to
[2:40:42] talk. Um
we the
[2:40:48] um I was four years old when we did this
podcast around here and when they did
[2:40:53] they ran a gas line it went down.
It comes from the bridge comes right
[2:41:00] straight through Mard
there from the garbage as well.
[2:41:05] It's a well line. It's been there since
1960. It goes to President where it
[2:41:12] ports and from that one branch goes down
through V and East Cambridge. The other
[2:41:20] branch goes through Presley and East and
St. Michael.
[2:41:27] That steel line in my front yard has
been maxed out and over pressurized for
[2:41:33] a number of years.
Again, it comes from bridging and gas
[2:41:38] coming a few years ago, but probably
everybody here saw this new law down 13.
[2:41:45] The reason why they did that is because
the state of Delaware
[2:41:49] decided to build thousands and thousands
of new houses down around the beach and
[2:41:56] eastern southern SC and that new
oversized gas man is taxed to the limit.
[2:42:05] So right now I'm not sure you can get
your guests in Pennsylvania down here
[2:42:09] unless you're going to run from here all
the way to Pennsylvania because I don't
[2:42:13] think they have a capacity there and I
know
[2:42:18] here those are just facts. I don't know
if you looked into that when you bought
[2:42:22] property or not but that's not me. Um,
as far as the availability of that,
[2:42:30] that's something that you probably need
to check into.
[2:42:33] Um, the the last thing that I want to
talk about very quickly is the lady
[2:42:39] mentioned the sturgeon, those not
familiar, but the Northland surgeon
[2:42:44] breeds in this body of Lord right across
the street here. They have a thousand a
[2:42:50] year. I'd like to see if they thousands
more. You savor a closed loop system
[2:42:55] that doesn't gain or lose any water
theoretically, but I know that in times
[2:43:01] of an emergency or whatever, you would
wind up pulling water into that system,
[2:43:07] even though it's closed loop. I'm
familiar with that and you would wind up
[2:43:11] in charge or two, especially if your
electric was down below
[2:43:16] because not enough gas.
[2:43:48] If I look correctly, you guys apply
property. probably a few years ago
[2:43:51] already.
[2:43:59] » You guys have already
[2:44:05] knew that or not.
>> All right. So, as a developer, you've
[2:44:09] already done
you've already
[2:44:13] fact what they want. That's that's a
problem.
[2:44:18] So, I'm just going to tell everybody go
to the smoke.
[2:44:22] » All right. Do your homework. Look
around.
[2:44:26] There's reason why a lot of people
complain. It's because of this. All
[2:44:29] right. Y'all want something to hide.
That's only
[2:44:54] You forgot maybe
one train station
[2:45:06] with me know
[2:45:18] I remember back.
[2:45:25] We were told
back
[2:45:36] in the structure problems.
[2:45:43] Yeah, I heard about that. You can talk
about how many builds are going to be
[2:45:50] available for people. He said 100,
right?
[2:45:54] » So 160 on site and then another thousand
broader ecosystem. Oh, he says the data
[2:46:03] 247
did you shift 100 people
[2:46:09] to 40 jobs per 8 hours? That's how you
figure that 80 hours. I don't see how
[2:46:18] we're a whole bunch having 80 people
jobs for $800,000
[2:46:24] 800,000 of good built in. Yeah.
Whatever.
[2:46:30] instead of saying
[2:46:36] » 160 jobs per day
[2:46:42] or something. How's that?
[2:46:50] » Yeah.
[2:47:09] Steve Thomas
[2:47:20] said
[2:47:24] he said they closed consistently
wast,000
[2:47:30] gallons a day. County
[2:47:35] also have
[2:47:41] micro
>> that's supposedly
[2:48:01] on site.
[2:48:08] So
[2:48:15] there you go. How big are you? Are you
talking about windows?
[2:48:19] » Yeah. So the question was
first off and completed design. the
[2:48:26] general came up here said they had
everything to be redone otherwise
[2:48:30] wouldn't have shared the time um but
that required approval from county and
[2:48:36] my friend we were not there right so
we're in the design phase and as I was
[2:48:40] saying what can we
to work with us on that as far as the
[2:48:46] onsite system um right now I'm looking
at looking at fuel cell
[2:48:54] land for Green
[2:49:00] County.
[2:49:04] They're the third richest county in the
state of America. We're the second
[2:49:07] horse.
[2:49:12] the range.
You're comparing typically most area on
[2:49:19] the planet to a single latest
in potentially fur. There's really not a
[2:49:28] great correlation because we're not
planning to build, you know, um 600,
[2:49:34] [snorts] 400 data centers in, you know,
[2:49:42] I mean,
but one take
[2:49:48] you houses in Baltimore City to put in
Baltimore City
[2:50:01] Ron
[2:50:12] Gina.
[2:50:34] All right.
[2:50:37] Thank you.
[2:50:47] and wanted to understand what the
project was about
[2:50:52] and
most looking at
[2:50:59] um now I understand it's a very
emotional topic
[2:51:09] uh and just
[2:51:14] I really encourage people and and I I
respect everything that people have
[2:51:18] said, you know, about concerns for what
happens, you know, because
[2:51:29] there could also be some manifest forget
about those things to be
[2:51:36] contained or planned for.
Um I know our heart country is
[2:51:43] struggling financially
you know and
[2:51:53] you know
with China and one of those would be
[2:51:57] able to keep up and then that gets into
their military and defense.
[2:52:04] Um I guess my question would be
would there be any potential for things
[2:52:12] to adv?
[2:52:24] Um so to answer your question is that um
there would be no future phases if the
[2:52:31] first couple phases um didn't go well um
every
[2:52:39] so there would be no future phases if
the city determined that it wasn't
[2:52:45] so
unless
[2:52:49] the city future phases but that's quite
a round
[2:53:00] What kind of generator or backup
[2:53:06] would you guys have?
[2:53:11] So, so the question is what kind of they
do. So there'll be a combination of
[2:53:17] thermal producer
[2:53:28] backup system you know um the way they
prevent So
[2:53:37] come down
[2:53:40] there.
[2:53:55] So the question that she's asking is
what kind of gas
[2:54:01] would there
gas
[2:54:09] us? So you think about
[2:54:19] the last name
[2:54:30] also
[2:54:35] follow
[2:54:42] Jack, push your feet.
[2:54:56] » I'm sure
spent 65 now 66 years here.
[2:55:04] little
Susan I think this is the first she's
[2:55:10] a wonderful person she's done all these
things
[2:55:13] um I'm gonna come over here by a couple
of questions but I like to see
[2:55:19] are you going to be the owner operator
of this facility
[2:55:24] nobody
[2:55:31] should do it nobody
[2:55:35] Do you think or believe that?
[2:55:41] » A data center before.
>> Yes. Where is it located? Um I'm located
[2:55:47] around
specific where
[2:55:51] I built
>> I [snorts]
[2:55:56] built
in Asia Pacific. I built in Australia.
[2:56:02] South America, United States, Europe and
[2:56:09] » what I would like you to do is get the
addresses from those to the mayor and
[2:56:14] council so that we can research with
people around us to see how things are
[2:56:19] going
to
[2:56:29] people around. Do you have any
engagement with people around those data
[2:56:34] centers?
[2:56:37] » Do you have any non-disclosure
agreements with any of the people living
[2:56:41] around those centers?
[2:56:47] » Would you release people in those areas
to be free to talk with people?
[2:57:01] So I know the importance of legacy the
work that I've done is very good. I've
[2:57:07] also gone benefits
during co
[2:57:12] I have hundreds of families through that
time. So I'd like to talk about that as
[2:57:17] well.
[2:57:26] Okay. So let's sit and if you want to
talk about the entire body
[2:57:36] for
[2:57:45] the part that you did in the beginning
[2:57:49] you talked about you talked about the
noise group what you didn't mention is
[2:57:54] that that was just for
the noise from a data center is 247
[2:58:00] and there's also different levels about
measure sound
[2:58:05] » because
what we hear is different than what we
[2:58:09] don't live or animal sense and they will
be affected
[2:58:35] Hello, I am a lover. I turned 17 in two
days. I am from but I grow in and around
[2:58:44] This tower means a lot to me. My family
has been in this area for generations.
[2:58:49] Then the daily center's negative effects
would also be our local businesses which
[2:58:54] could devastate a resident light. Is
this to be accounted for? The Daily
[2:58:59] Center also devastating negative effects
on local wildlife. Is there a plan to
[2:59:04] make sure that local wildlife is
protected from these events effects? You
[2:59:09] cannot just tell you the permanent
effects that this has had. And my
[2:59:13] generation is the one that is going
after the Buddhist, not yours. Those
[2:59:18] second
[2:59:21] He do not want to say
[2:59:36] 216.
[2:59:50] So question what's your backup solution
all
[2:59:56] what is your backup water solution all
of a sudden if water systems fail what
[3:00:01] is your backup second what's your backup
fuel system how is it good for the 36
[3:00:08] Now the temperatures can get up to 9,000
degrees.
[3:00:14] How is the fire going?
What fire suppression systems do you
[3:00:19] have in realistic data you have?
[3:00:28] » So first of all the thousand plus system
it's
[3:00:35] catch on fire. It's not hard to do.
>> No, it doesn't. It's refractive. It's
[3:00:41] refractable. It's breaks and you just
turn it off and it cools down. Some of
[3:00:48] that water system will be onite water
storage. There's not a problem with
[3:00:54] onsite.
Well,
[3:00:58] and onsite fuel storage
um onsite fuel storage go on onsite fuel
[3:01:04] storage but I don't know how much and I
don't know if we can there are
[3:01:09] technology that um different technology
you use gas and quite frankly with data
[3:01:17] data center
for cloud data centers you can
[3:01:21] turn.
[3:01:49] Everybody has a story.
Okay. I think um uh this a great
[3:01:57] opportunity with Durant and I'm not into
doing that. This is the decision I
[3:02:02] believe. I just wanted to ask you a
quick question. So there's been a lot of
[3:02:06] discussion, a lot of questions. The uh
the approval process for this that is
[3:02:12] through the county and the town. Is that
accurate?
[3:02:17] Help me out. help me understand that
because I've been the phone that it is
[3:02:22] up with the county and the town um and
that there are preliminary discussions.
[3:02:28] I'm kind of taken back, you know,
earlier because it sounded as if this
[3:02:32] project already
go. I wanted to clarify that if you
[3:02:38] could just answer that quickly and then
I've got one quick question for you.
[3:02:44] Um at this point there is not a project
>> [clears throat]
[3:02:47] » We have not submitted anything. We have
not gone through the process. This is
[3:02:52] this is the information
[3:03:03] » and the fire department was here earlier
meeting.
[3:03:06] They had a question about responding to
electrical wires. I'm not CT CP.
[3:03:17] » So the question from the fire company
was what are the standards? What are the
[3:03:21] procedures? What are what's in place and
what has been done to deal with fire
[3:03:26] suppression with data centers? We've had
a lot of issues with uh looking at bad
[3:03:31] news.
Uh we you know we feel like we've been
[3:03:35] getting a lot of complaints about
lifting batteries. We've asked the fire
[3:03:39] marshal to update the fire code. We've
been told the fire already updated an
[3:03:44] allboard problem in in for us
looking back with the fire suppression.
[3:03:53] How was that addressed or can you just
talk about that a little bit?
[3:04:00] So, so the bigger issue is that when we
were when we were uh exploring
[3:04:07] um and just you know looking at
regulations that it came up about
[3:04:12] and the issue was that
fire department and that you know um
[3:04:21] safety is fair and we agree with that
and so we're not we're not supposed to
[3:04:26] be in
live in the world. We're proposing
[3:04:30] energy storage with breakfast
and um so that ensures you know that
[3:04:36] doesn't cause a risk to volunteer
firearm
[3:04:42] um there could be bad within the racks
themselves just like a little system
[3:04:46] that you might have in
themselves
[3:04:51] and those are in a computer that has a
self suppression symptom and they have
[3:04:56] to be affected by um the fire your
instances of your county they would have
[3:05:02] to like the fire suppression so there's
no risk
[3:05:11] » yeah so the process very quick is it
approved by county in the town is there
[3:05:18] an approval process and we'll elaborate
on that just a little bit further here
[3:05:26] so just
The project is in what it's expension of
[3:05:33] the industrial quality for the city or
federal fur. So the city or federal fur
[3:05:38] would be the authority having
jurisdiction that will
[3:05:44] the city doesn't have a city planning
commission by other location. So it will
[3:05:50] most likely be a joint effort between
the city and the county. However, that
[3:05:56] is struggling.
[3:06:06] I just want to get that on the record
and uh you know we this is a local issue
[3:06:11] and we are state representatives but we
do represent everyone in this room and
[3:06:15] there's a lot of folks for the SE and
even though we're not part of those
[3:06:19] direct you know those direct discussions
and things but county I know our
[3:06:24] delegation very interested in this and I
know we may have a little recent
[3:06:28] decision local but we intend to be fully
fully involved and uh I think a lot of
[3:06:34] said this is interesting
for the town to come in and propose
[3:06:40] something like this. And there's been
some really bold statements. I think
[3:06:44] that energy prices were going to go
down. There's going to be no use of
[3:06:47] water. There are a number of mistakes
that were made. And I just encourage you
[3:06:52] just to follow up with some proof and
evidence of those statements because I
[3:06:57] think that's one of the things that you
know when you say something that's said
[3:07:01] that was one thing but I think they're
understanding and and knowing what's
[3:07:05] being said would be very helpful because
this is a traumatic this is a very
[3:07:10] traumatic discussion and um even though
the discussion has been tough I think
[3:07:14] that the participants at all their
truest feelings were sent in so I will
[3:07:19] thank everyone. Thank you.
[3:07:29] » But I thank you all for coming tonight.
They have like they were asking
[3:07:35] questions.
>> So I want to thank you all for coming.
[3:07:40] We know topic. Just to clarify, we do
have a planning and donating commission
[3:07:46] um that will also be reviewing this.
they things to mayor and council. That's
[3:07:52] how that process does work. Um so thank
you all for coming. Um and we will be
[3:07:57] posting your information
as we move along. Thank you.
[3:08:38] This is Holiday.