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Okay, all the 17th, and council, meaning to order, everybody can stand up and give a hug from these people.

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Pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under our individual liberty and justice for all.

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in the reminder, you did not yet see the sign-in sheet.

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It's on the back table for the attendance order when you came in,

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just to make sure.

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Okay, first thing on the agenda is the presentation for wastewater

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or super-intending companies.

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Let's leave this one on the phone.

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Okay, I'm right here.

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Now, here we go.

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Yeah, so we've received the bid packet for the services that you were offering, but I think there's some additional questions about things that we wanted to possibly have done up there.

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That would come from the supervisory, you know, personally, we're operating, I guess, operator.

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I met Lesley, who is much kind enough to me to work here that day.

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Well, he's gotten there a lot.

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I didn't even know I'm going to do it.

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But we met with one of your other relations, I believe.

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The other one's kind of we're in and out.

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We did do it for so many.

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And the other thing I met was you lead our careers.

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You know what I'm saying?

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A bit.

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A bit.

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Yes, thank you.

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We were talking and walked through everything.

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And it would fix us point now.

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So this suggestion I have already was just looking at that.

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I think you've engineered so we may be able to do

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to help assist in making it running more efficient,

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some of the stuff that's going on.

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You have flow problem, which is, yeah, whatever.

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On high issue, when the rain's heavy, before that,

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if you don't have any rain, you have very low flow.

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So you've probably got a third.

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Between a third, you're about half of the flow.

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So it's a challenge to run something like that.

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But it's a component that can be utilized, and that's what I always explain in the hand,

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because there's certain things that you can do.

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Instead of selling the whole farm, there's things you can still do to make it run until you

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get grant money to anything like that.

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I don't know if you have chased any grant money usually going after any of that stuff.

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Again, that would be a learning code for me to see what you've gotten.

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If we chase him, if we haven't, we did that at Willis.

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We actually got involved in that being now there.

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It's part of our area.

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We got him involved in all the sudden.

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I think they just got an 800 something thousand dollar grant at the Willis.

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So now we can do something upgrades that we need to prior to that.

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It was funny to know.

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And GMB is thinking earlier as well.

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So we have them involved.

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They want a day.

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What's nice is we can communicate with them, they listen to this as well.

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It's hard to find an engineering company that will listen to you.

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I don't know.

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Okay, I've been doing this all my life.

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One of my things that's an awkward around it is I look at ways to save money.

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I don't look at it as you are anywhere I look at it.

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I mean, I can tell you everything, but I'm looking at it as my tax dollars come there too.

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I want this thing going.

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I don't want this thing where so much money to spend, and why, spend it wisely where you need to, what you need for the facility.

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Not every, you know, brand new velvet whistle, but you don't need it. You need the bank function, okay.

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Operators, they need training, okay.

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There's two types. One is the engineering, SOPs that have to come with the software you really have to go.

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I don't know what you really really have, you know, I'm sorry to look first on, I was like okay maybe I'll have to work with the operator when I come in here and see what they have reviewed their stuff and add on to it or correct it and make it to what they have.

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and add as we fixed it, as things will fix, you have to adjust that so they know what to do.

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Yes, they know the basic and we do the PXX and we do this and we do that.

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Do you have a calibration record?

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No, this one. It's very important because I always tell people to look.

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If you don't test off from when you're waiting for the results when I'm back,

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there's days that are falling.

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So how do you know?

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I mean, if you ask me, the doctor, look, this is a human life, but that is pretty much everything in that plane.

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If you go into a waste of work and you look at it, everything component you find, you'll find it in your body and outside your body.

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It's all there.

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So if you cheat your body bad, it counts.

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For the point, it's the same thing. If you cheat your body bad, it's coming.

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It's either carrying over a drone, or it's that cold or the basic thing.

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or it just starts thinking and everything else because it's not great, it's not great,

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something's not great, you're a doctor, that's your patient, so you've got to take care of this again.

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You have to understand what those numbers mean, it's not just a number,

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I don't know if you can just look at, oh, it's just the pH, it's not...

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Okay, you're going to take a DO test, you'll have a 5.0, you've got a 4.8 retested,

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you can raise the correction there and retest it.

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You're not lying.

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You write it down.

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Hey, two minutes later, I tested it again

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and made the adjustment, everything's fine.

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You write the number down.

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What that does, it keeps you wherever you get to find

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who get in the trouble, okay?

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There's simple things that operate.

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We're not taught this.

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They start on this.

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And if you show it to him that way, it's good.

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If you keep braiding them, they're not supposed to do it.

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It's a kid, so we all have kids

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and they tune out after a while and that's what happens.

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So, everything that's there when I tour it, there are things that can't be done.

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But, again, you can't do everything all at once.

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You just have to take what's your priority and start moving that way.

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You have anoxic sounds. I think one's online, one's not.

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One's not when these are pair work.

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Schemers, someone on the working and stuff.

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So, some of the recommendations I gave, I said, I'm not one to hide.

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I was just telling me, this is stuff you can do.

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Instead of spending $50,000 on buying an arm and everything else,

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might be able to just put a little skimmer in your air skimmer.

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I worked just as good as temporary, something

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that could be done maybe for less than 10,

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because there are less, okay?

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It still functions and does the job

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until you get the money to do it the way you want to do it.

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I don't need the Cadillac.

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I just need that you go jogging from here and there, back, okay?

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Somewhere down the road when you get the money from a go,

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okay, we'll do it the way they want.

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But right now, we need to save money, but get the plan to function the way it should.

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You have a lot of tanks here.

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They can be utilized.

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The slide bed, I saw that too, drawing it's good and all, but you have equipment there.

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I didn't delve into it, but I'm like, okay, it is a pickner.

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If you look at them to get grant money for that, you can also look at the options of something that's reversed again.

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So it's just spending a million dollars on a dollar press or something you might be able to get to 250,000 less

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It's still the same thing. It's just a refurbishment. It gives you the same warranty as a brand new one

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For a lesser price

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You have to look at these things, okay, and that's what I tell people. We don't need to have shiny new toys

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We need things that function at a lot less cost and still have to say warranties is everything else, okay?

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I mean, there's a lot of things here, I mean, it was a lot to go through just kind of

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walking through and seeing stuff like that, you know, notification towers, I asked the

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operators.

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They weren't sure, so that's your notification tower, okay.

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You have equipment here, but you have trees going on out there, well good, they're really

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doing it.

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Yes, it's a little work, but there's stuff, something that I think as operators, we're all

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working together, we can get some of this stuff.

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Yeah, there's some stuff in there to get prices forward and say, okay, listen, we do need help.

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I've done it before where there's trees, really big trees growing in there.

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We can't pull them out or anything like that, get something out, let's get it out.

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But again, you have stuff there, let's fix it and utilize it, okay.

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EQ time, you have an imposition, can't we utilize that problem?

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I mean, you have high flows coming in, but you're at such a low capacity right now, if we

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If you run it at a certain level, you can use that extra tanks that are available and the

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inflation tank to hold your flow, a process is slowly, and still be with any limits,

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and instead of having a plant blow out or something like that happen to the guy.

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So everything I'm looking at, I'm looking at all the pictures, I'm seeing them walking around

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and they go, wow you have all these tanks, there's little things we can do that can make

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you run more efficiently.

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It's what you want to do. Teaching them, there's things I

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would be teaching when I'm there looking at stuff. That's what we also said. We'll

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put a program in there when they will be seeing the data. I don't want to see it one day

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out of seven days. I want to be able to see that data. When you're testing, I need to see that data

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every day. I'm not charging for every day. I'm looking at it every day because now my license is

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I want to see. Do I see something there that I can call the operators and, hey, what are you doing about this?

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I got these numbers here on your daily test. Forget about the test that's going on.

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I'm looking at your daily numbers. Okay, this doesn't look right. Did you do something? Did you retest it? What did you do?

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Because a lot of times, that's what happens. Just to learn. And we're not having them being on them, but we're guiding them.

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I go, okay, hey, your numbers are low.

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Did you find out why I was so low?

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I mean, if we teach them those things and show them,

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they'll do that.

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But if we just let it go, and a week later,

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well, they've forgotten about it, too, you know,

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and they're like, okay, now they've wanted me a week later.

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Why don't you tell me that day?

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So this way, we've been still listed all our facilities

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where we can see the numbers that we have.

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And we show them the last thing that they have.

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Chris will go with me.

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Pull the right hand in the phone.

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So, we could see the number as they're writing down and doing the stuff we could see.

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And if it's something where it shouldn't be, it's flagged to us and we could call it right away.

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We can't do this, this, this, this, what's going on.

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And that's important.

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Not only the testing of the implement, the variation zone, and then in the F1, they all mean something.

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It's bad here, it should get better here, it should get a lot better here.

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But we're seeing this variation.

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We need to know why.

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That's how you can make adjustments.

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So there is a lot of things that need to be

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You've seen it.

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Our goals also, when we throw the Leslie,

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do we try to get quotes for you?

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We don't want to say anything to them.

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So we get three, four quotes for you.

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So you have something to look at.

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And we're not just going to pick a company out of the blue,

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and we've never worked with a lot of companies.

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So we try to find the best deals for you.

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And it's going to be done right.

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not, oh you got the best deal and then two weeks later like, oh man, now we gotta spend more

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more. No. Any of those vendors you pay, it's going to be done right, we'll make sure of it,

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because we're going to want you to. You don't just let them come in and do it in one way.

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You got money for all of these things, okay. So if capital is everything we have to look at,

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see what's going on, where it's coming from, how much is spent? For me, it's a passion, it's a job

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and it is my license, plus I would have other operators on my company, the other

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certain departments, or are ready to become super company, they'll be going

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visiting as well. That's in case, you know, I get hurt or just in case they can

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come in here physically, look at it, and they understand it as well. So you get a

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four, five, six people involved in this, plus you have an office staff that's involved

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as well, while I was one of them, she's had our offices and our managers stuff, she

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There's a lot of complaints, so any of the submittals and stuff, that's all good stuff to take care of with her.

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Any other numbers to reach us at any time?

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It's a training-wise.

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We're looking into what we started to.

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Some places you might be able to get some training from, like I'm saying,

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or even a rolled marinara water that may be free for the operators or cattle.

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But I think you only have three or four operators, so we'll have to talk to other ones.

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maybe we'll see if we can try to coordinate.

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I think what's the minimum nine?

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I believe that.

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I think nine for them to come in,

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but they also have,

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so they have free training.

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There's like three different tiers,

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free training, discounted training

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because you're a municipality

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and full price training.

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So, look at,

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we look at the different options,

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see where the operators currently stand.

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How many CEUs do they have, get them on the right track to make sure that they're able to pass that exam and get their licensing?

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It's a tough example. A lot of them think it's easy. It really is easy.

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I mean, with a lot of operating life training, there's probably four or five of them, I know, they have to go through three or four times.

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Now, whether they were studying on their own or not, we'd get work remote and we saw the

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potential on them.

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And we did get the highest license, so you have to stay on them a little bit, get them

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to do it.

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And if they don't, and they have time here too, and they're busy doing stuff, but they can

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take an hour or a day to sit there.

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And so that's why I thought, well, I said, listen, when you're done with your job, there's

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a point you sit in there and you're looking on your phone, sit down, do it course.

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Every day if you did one course.

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that's going to help you. If you've got questions, you can ask me, you can ask anybody, okay?

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It's not like, oh, you can't ask anyone. We're available. We'll answer your questions.

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We'll show you the facility as well. Yeah, there's some questions I asked that you'll never see,

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you know, plants don't even exist anymore, there's questions, but that's, you know, you've got 150

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questions for a five-day. And out of that, there's probably 15 questions that I'll see, you know,

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RBCs, and triple-in-filters, their dime is

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So, it's like, okay, we'll teach you what it is, but it's not something you got to understand, but the rest you do. But it's important. It's just learning everything and doing what you're doing, knowing you're planning inside out. It's very important.

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But there's all the ones I can answer for you. But training wise, it's not included in this, but I work with them anyway when I'm here. I won't just walk in and sit over there and look. I have to look at all the water systems and that to look away.

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What's going on?

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It's working.

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It's not a question for you.

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If you were to, let's say he's there, we're going to go few, what is kind of your time

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line coming in this, you know, like going from setting eyes on a plan to SOPs, to kind

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of making, to getting to the point where you feel comfortable and kind of going more of a

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day to day.

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If you're, let's just say you saw it, I'd probably be in here later on this week, be honest with you.

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I mean, you can tell me starting next real part of walking later on this week, because I don't want to see stuff anyways.

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What's going on?

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Okay.

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Once that goes, you know what you mean here, like daily to get us started?

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We have written out at once a week, but there's times where in all honesty, myself,

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and there's maybe one or two other people that show up, we don't charge before we spend a couple days.

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That's kind of what's getting as like, you know, you know, if I come through the kitchen world where if you come in and you take over

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You're like, well, I can't just, you know, do and wipe everything off and start fresh, right?

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Because otherwise I'd be cooking by myself.

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Exactly.

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But, you know, there's also kind of a ramp up period where, you know, you're watching people and saying, all right, well, what kind of things you got in place?

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What do you strengths already here? Any work on that?

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And eventually, you get the training as all.

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Right.

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But I want to make sure that it's not, you know, that you're coming in once a week, you know, and say, good enough.

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No, I already, when we toured, I mean, we kind of looked with everybody and then crystallized it all.

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Because there's, you know, I wanted to look at some things as well. We started asking some questions.

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I've been planning a couple of times. You know, you talk of trees growing out of you. There's some work that needs to be done.

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And like you said, you know what the skimmer like, I started somebody recently about that

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like, you know, if you were able to make me improve on that skimmer, we wouldn't be repairing

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our sand filter as frequently as our, because, you know, we're taking care of the algae.

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But, you know, when you were at the point, if you could find a way to do it kind of until

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you get those, that money.

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Well, the algae is not the biggest issue, the duckweed is the biggest issue.

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Sorry.

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All right.

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Now, you might need to give it a go.

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What is altitude air, but the duckweed, that's what people forget.

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And even MBE says, all here, you know,

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shock it, you know, for electric cars too.

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And I asked the question, look, I don't hold back.

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Again, I look at it as my being, okay.

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And I'll ask the question, so what I did.

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I said, well, you made this climb, my spend all his money

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to shock, I put this floating thing in there

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for electrical shocks in there.

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I said, I still got all the duckweed.

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I said, please tell me, what else do you want me to put in?

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Nothing's working.

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I can't bring in the real high strength chemicals in here because you know if that gets out of this pond, something happens, we've got a major issue, okay?

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So go green. What is there for me to put in?

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Do I have a prox idea? Do I have a pouring? Okay, they got to dissipate too.

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And they're just looking at us and saying, keep pushing people to put these things in, but they don't work.

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So please, don't tell me you improved it over here.

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Show me which one works.

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Before I go ask the town, despite all this money,

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and ask the resident, hey, we're going to raise your rates,

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because we've got to put this in now.

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So please explain what I can show them

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that you're saying it actually physically works.

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Before I go ask it for more.

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So another question I have is on,

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as of these, you know,

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some of you use that same analogy as a medication.

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Like, you know, you go in and you have your recipe

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books and all your stuff like that and you can't just go ahead and

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rig your things out with your needs and then how do you do that would you take

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this if he's that are up there and kind of work them into what you guys do

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where is it slowly rolling them out into we look at what you have I didn't

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really see once I asked it wasn't I think a lot of it is also historical

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knowledge and that's everything and you know it's much like anything else you

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know you can you can say here's your recipe cook like that right a lot of

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So I understand that if everyone in the wastewater treatment thing were to leave and I go up there and say, where are you guys at peace?

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It's as good as it's going to be without me knowing, oh yeah, on this area you need to do this because historically X.

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The analogy I use the best way of training people would talk to people and go on the classes and stuff and show them these words.

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The human body analogy.

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We all believe the same, the world different.

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I mean, what we eat is different.

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What we drink is different.

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I mean, some are on medication somewhere.

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Somebody can be smoking.

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I mean, 99 years old, fine.

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And somebody smoking gets cancer.

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So everything that goes into your body is, in fact, people differently, that's the same thing in the plant.

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What comes down in the plant, you have to be proactive. You have to see what's coming into your system.

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One of the things that, look, again, it's not there for all. I'm looking at everything.

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You know, they say, and I'm going to look at, well, are you doing any influence tests?

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Are you doing any aviation tests?

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Well, we're doing, I said, look, we're going to do these things.

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Whether they were told properly or not, I'd explain to them once.

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So this is reason I ask you to do this.

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If I'm here, I'm going to ask you to do these things.

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Because if you don't know A, B, and C, how do you make

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adjustments of D?

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If you made it lucky, you get a result that's good.

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But if you don't pay attention to this, something comes in.

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It shocks your system.

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What do you do?

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So if you ask for the S of E's, there's

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nothing really tangible that they could give you,

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then I'll start from the head first and start slowly.

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Okay, and then is there a charge to help with SOPs?

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Uh, depending again, I gotta see what you have.

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Okay.

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I mean, if it's something I can just modify while I'm here,

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I'll probably just do that.

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Are you Chris?

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I'm sorry, are you Chris?

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No.

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Oh, I didn't catch any.

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Chandra.

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You're Chandra.

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On the owner?

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Okay.

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No, I was looking at the email.

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You're talking about SOPs, but then in here it says

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that SOPs wasn't in the original RF.

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He's good.

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Right.

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Right so Leslie sends an email back out to everybody asking after our last meeting what they

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would charge for SOPs because we wanted that and that was part of the conversation but is that in

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this quote here that's here got what I'm saying. That's the original quote they have not reported they

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came to ask answer questions yes the reason I came in to do all this is going to be it was okay

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it's how detailed are you going to get anything now if you're going to make me do what

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I have a good relationship, but they also know I'm not a dog at least now.

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I'm fighting my clients.

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I'm sorry, if you don't like that, I can't.

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But if I see something and you're being told you have to have something,

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that you're spending money unwisely on, I want to say something.

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I want to bring it to that.

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Why are we spending this money?

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Let's take that money and put it over here where we needed I mean they put a print they put a

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Greece skimmer thing on the planet. I was seriously

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Do I need it? It's an attack that's closed

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Some of these alarms going off for their

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You made it for like $250,000

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We don't even use it, but you have a UV system that's sitting in a building that I need

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to put in.

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And they looked at me and they said, we got to get a permit.

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I said, the permit came with the new permit for the new plant, so I want to put it in.

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They came back and I said, all right, let's go down to the headquarters and put on the news

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because I'm eating permit now.

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Not the 3 million violation that you were getting all the time, I'll be at zero, sir.

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Oh, okay, what is put in the document?

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So, I'm not fighting them, I'm just very kind of like, come on, you want my client to

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be failing and getting fined when I can be putting it in, which I did, and I'm eating

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permanent.

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It's a kind of, let's just, right in the end, I'm sending it there, everybody, we're good.

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It's there.

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There was hate for this stuff, and it's sitting in the garage for what reason.

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Because somewhere there, I'm going to understand that the new permanent they got for a new

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plant, including them.

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So we have to look at all of this.

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As operators, we want stuff functioning because it makes our life easier.

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I only wanted, when it's a true word, to see if I want to come out.

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I don't want to come out there and just be willing to at least know

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that can be taken care of during the day.

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So there are things here that need to be done.

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Yes, at peace.

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For the plan to function and operate the way it should?

403
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Yes, I work with them slowly and try to get that done.

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If you want a real detail, do you want to page one like that?

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That's a whole different ball.

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I have a couple of questions for you as far as like

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some of the things that you were just thinking of.

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So when you come, if you were selected to be the vendor for this,

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you're going to come in and you're going to do an infant's worry of

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whatever it is through the plant.

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That includes the life that they're currently using,

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the materials that they're currently using.

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So, if you're not in agreement, what they're currently using, you're going to suggest

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that they go somewhere else.

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Is there a process that you use to sit down with the unconsult to say like, okay, they're

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using this.

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I don't agree with this for X, Y, Z reasons so that we can, you know, make sure it makes sense

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within the budget because we have to follow a budget.

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We just can't go all budget because, you know, hey, your relationship with this company

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is way better than this company.

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I mean, is there a process that you follow for those things that you say, hey, I don't

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want you to use this and how much time and advance are you going to get counsel to

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say, you know, this has been my inventory.

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These are my findings and this is what I am suggesting.

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These are my recommendations for going forward.

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When we do that, what we're doing is prioritizing everything for you.

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And we would say, if we saw something that didn't be a couple of cases, we wanted something,

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and we saw something, we tactfully wrote it down and said the council, this is a hyper,

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or you may really want to look at this.

430
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That's just between the line, you get the message, I'm good, okay.

431
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That means that's your top thing to discuss.

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Everything else can wait.

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And there'll be a top line on it for you.

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We may tell you, you should do this when the next two three weeks.

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If you want court to work on it, get your votes or if you want.

436
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Your own vendor, that's fine with us.

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If you have a vendor using, we'll get time to give a call.

438
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But this is why, this is so important.

439
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And at that point, you're not just going to get an email and everything.

440
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How far have we asked for a meeting?

441
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I want to talk to everybody.

442
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And why?

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That explanation.

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As I call, there's a wishless property, and I tell me that we all wish to get these things.

445
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We're not going to get that wishless thing to get.

446
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What we need is what's important, but need this car functioning and doing what it's supposed to do.

447
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The shiny, you know, lift the kids and stuff, that's down the road, right now we don't need them.

448
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We just need a function and doing what it's supposed to do and being alive.

449
00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:17,880
That's the most important thing and getting the operators to buy into that and understanding

450
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:24,280
and working with you because once they see and understand when you explain to them that

451
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,840
if you do this, this is going to best be you.

452
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:27,540
Okay.

453
00:27:27,780 --> 00:27:30,200
You're not going to come here because yeah, I want to make it come here for all the light

454
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:30,720
and sit here.

455
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:36,200
But if we can get this done and the council is okay with this, let's get it done because

456
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,740
this is you don't have to come sit here in the middle of the night, okay.

457
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:40,640
We can be ahead of all this stuff.

458
00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:43,780
So this is the stuff you get people to understand.

459
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,640
And once they know you're out there physically working with them

460
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,980
and getting stuff done, I believe they respect

461
00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:52,260
you a lot more than just the work orders.

462
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
And I'm not going to sit down there this Christmas.

463
00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:57,500
We get involved, we try to get stuff done.

464
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,720
We don't look back.

465
00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,300
If I went in office, I would have worked for a couple of years

466
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:04,400
and I did, and I laughed.

467
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,980
I started laughing because I'm out there doing it.

468
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,020
And that's what we want, we want.

469
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:12,120
I mean, clients we have, if we talk about what we do,

470
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,640
we come in, we want to do this, this, this, this.

471
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,460
Fitble was the other thing, that originally when I got in there,

472
00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:21,200
first time I got in there, I wanted to spend $4.5 million.

473
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,140
So we had a big meeting with MD and everything.

474
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:24,820
I said, well, if you give me $4.5 million,

475
00:28:24,940 --> 00:28:26,420
then sure, I'll put it in for you.

476
00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:29,420
But till then, the plant's functioning now.

477
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560
I got in there two weeks ago, I got on straight now.

478
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,260
So why do I need to spend $4.5 million?

479
00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:36,480
Yes, it's up great, it's just going to be needed.

480
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:43,220
But give us the great ones, you know, why should the talent spend their money and go to the residents and say I'm sorry

481
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:46,060
We got to raise your rates again. We don't have $4.5 million

482
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,440
That's the thing so you've got the you know saying all this stuff wanted this but you need to be able to present that to

483
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,960
When we sat in that meeting with 30 oh, you know, the council president was there

484
00:29:01,580 --> 00:29:03,200
I'm counting the ads here and always out there.

485
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:07,300
Mr. Dorsey was here, when I bought it up to you,

486
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:08,120
well, what do you suggest?

487
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:09,120
That's the word it's working.

488
00:29:09,860 --> 00:29:11,920
Give me the money, little by little, we'll get a fix.

489
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,360
But do I need $4.5 million?

490
00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:15,300
Where's it coming from?

491
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,460
I mean, where is it coming from?

492
00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:22,220
I mean, I'm sorry, you don't have it.

493
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:22,760
I don't have it.

494
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:23,920
I don't want to be putting $4.

495
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,660
You know, I'll give you some money, okay?

496
00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:27,700
You give me the money, I'll do it,

497
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,840
but I don't need the $4.5 million right now.

498
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,300
They got away with $2 million.

499
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,160
They've actually got the money, they've got $2 million to spend on it.

500
00:29:35,100 --> 00:29:39,500
But there was a lot more to fix with that than just do what they want to fix.

501
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,660
So again, it's being involved with the engineers, working with them to make sure that they're

502
00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:49,280
concerned and comfortable about what the world is and everything's sitting and how we work.

503
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,740
And it is, which is really nice.

504
00:29:53,380 --> 00:29:57,120
Engineers that listen to our operators, a lot of the fat gets cut off.

505
00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:59,780
He's getting what he needs, that's it.

506
00:30:00,210 --> 00:30:30,190
I don't need fancy bill. I need something that calls me and telling me there's a problem, or a light that comes on here, so somebody sees them call me. I don't need all this other fancy stuff. You want to do that? That's all you. You want to spend the money? A lot of those things fall apart anyway. You spend more money trying to fix them. How involved are you in the process like what's that turn over? New employees coming in, making sure that they are trained the way they should be trained, especially like entry-level individuals.

507
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:35,750
that's coming in to work in the facility just how involved I know you're we

508
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:39,450
talk about SOPs that's great but you know reading comprehension isn't

509
00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:43,250
everything for everybody but how involved are you in to making sure people are

510
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:47,970
trained the way they supposed to be trained. And that basically becomes the

511
00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:54,410
time we actually have to be part of the interview process too because you know

512
00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:58,450
we've got three stuff to do people sign everything and they know everything to

513
00:31:00,570 --> 00:31:05,310
I don't know anything against someone who doesn't know anything, I'm willing to teach them.

514
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:09,110
And there are some really good ones if you teach them right.

515
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:10,370
The big thing is teaching.

516
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:15,330
It's like our kids, if you don't teach them right at home, you see what happens out there, right?

517
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:17,090
Well, look, you can tell.

518
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:18,750
That's the same with these.

519
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:25,310
I mean, how we said maybe, kind of wrong business, you're open to daycare or something, but, you know, their kids do.

520
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:31,890
I don't care how old they're still like your kids and you still got to teach them, you've got to be a psychologist and work with them.

521
00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:40,170
Get them to understand and buy in what you want to do and get them to respect you knowing that you know you're stuck and you're trying to help them.

522
00:31:40,290 --> 00:31:46,030
And that's what I thought was, look, the town myself, everybody's helping you because if we didn't want you, we'd get ready.

523
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:50,970
And I'll be honest with you like, okay, if you're not doing a job, don't waste your time,

524
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:55,270
don't waste my time, don't waste time and money in the town because this is not for you.

525
00:31:56,030 --> 00:31:59,810
So make a decision which you like to do, but you want to, I will work with you, I will

526
00:31:59,810 --> 00:32:05,730
work with you, get you, blind up, learn how to do these things, but that takes time.

527
00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:11,730
Now you have a good operator, okay, I can get him to show stuff, I'll get him involved

528
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:16,970
I've shown him things, what to do, the SOP's kind of guide that to, like the pH meters,

529
00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:20,790
the deer meters, everything should be SOP for that.

530
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:25,130
How to operate those things, okay, and how to calibrate the keep all that.

531
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:30,350
That, anybody should be able to pick up and follow the traction, but you still work with it.

532
00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:35,450
And usually you want somebody with a day to day, week to week, depending on how fast they

533
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:35,810
pick up.

534
00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:40,690
Once they get the understanding, you start breaking wide, let them go do it, you do something

535
00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:46,910
you go back and check. Yes, it's double doing the job, but that's how you teach them right.

536
00:32:47,730 --> 00:32:52,150
So that way when you walk away for a week, for vacation or something, you know it's being done

537
00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:59,070
the way it's supposed to be done. You're checklist. You need time to checklist. Did I mark it?

538
00:33:00,310 --> 00:33:06,990
Most places we go into as a little sticky pad. That's what companies are. We're a book and it's

539
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:13,490
a lot of stuff. Okay, what's happening? Let me show you what's happening. You're right

540
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:19,010
in a blockchain, that's great, but why don't you write in the logbook too. Your

541
00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:23,090
calculations and everything because the log sheet is big logbooks there, right? If you

542
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:26,690
have a program, you put it in the program, that's good too, because somebody sees it

543
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:32,650
right away. I can put anybody on there, but why don't you see it, they'll get it. Again,

544
00:33:33,030 --> 00:33:36,270
last year I thought where she could see it if she wanted to be, you wanted to get in,

545
00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:42,490
you can log in and see it. But it's a backup, one backup, one backup, okay? If they just

546
00:33:42,490 --> 00:33:49,070
lay it on a piece of paper and it's got columns in it, set the spears. That log will cause

547
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:55,410
the spears, somebody's getting fired. That is your, what I call the holy Bible, okay? If

548
00:33:55,410 --> 00:34:03,910
that disappears, somebody is getting fired, no matter what. I will find them and we'll get

549
00:34:03,910 --> 00:34:10,050
find something. We don't need that. You tell them why it gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

550
00:34:10,210 --> 00:34:14,770
Tell the truth, man, we'll take care of it. And the all of them, they work with you. If

551
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:20,890
you tell them, hey, look, we messed up, meter was bad, okay, hey, we understand. But if you

552
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:25,990
lie to them, and you falsify stuff, that's where the big thing is. And it's important to

553
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:30,450
listen to that. Yeah. And it happened. That was one of the first things I was told when I

554
00:34:36,650 --> 00:34:40,630
I don't know if you guys have pre-treatment programs in your town or not.

555
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:46,310
These are all things you look at as you come in, because I'm sure you have some industries

556
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:53,010
and stuff that is just charging for your facility, or that is charging for you, is there anybody?

557
00:34:55,070 --> 00:35:00,190
You know what, they come from the stock load to the system.

558
00:35:01,170 --> 00:35:04,630
Now you plan to factor your power cross go up, you can't move a cross go up.

559
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:07,810
The hauling cross go up, and you don't know where it came from.

560
00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:10,030
Did anybody look at that?

561
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:11,090
Did anybody check that?

562
00:35:12,430 --> 00:35:15,650
The little things I presented, I thought Leslie and I thought of the operator there.

563
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:18,390
He might want to look into, you know, just put in the sample.

564
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:20,230
We're not going to grab in the sample of testing.

565
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:30,270
you have to laugh. Test it here. So it is. It's an idea because your plan is on for 400. I think

566
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:40,490
it's 400 BOD, probably 250 TSS, ammonia, probably around 35, 40. You're not a major industrial section

567
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:45,810
here, but you do have some industry. So you have to look at that. Like, hey, what's coming

568
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:49,350
I mean, Greece, just by walking around,

569
00:35:49,470 --> 00:35:50,910
I don't know how to tell you how Greece is okay.

570
00:35:51,810 --> 00:35:52,590
What do you do?

571
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:55,250
Okay, there's things you can do to try and take care of that.

572
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:58,270
And again, you gotta pay attention,

573
00:35:58,410 --> 00:36:00,630
if you don't teach the operators to catch these things,

574
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:04,230
they're not gonna do what they're a big part

575
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:06,830
or sharing and what they might not even know,

576
00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:08,050
they're just trying to do it.

577
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:10,750
Waste things, chemical, all these things,

578
00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:14,350
all go with hand to hand, and the healthy system.

579
00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:25,990
We're looking at some of that stuff too, there's a lot of work that needs to be done, but I think it can be done.

580
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:30,330
I mean you don't want to go crazy by saying how I gotta do this, this, this, this.

581
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:34,090
I don't have to judge everything, as we look at everything we're going to say, okay, we need to work on this.

582
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:37,570
First, yeah, why am I actually crazy, you got that?

583
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:39,510
Yeah, and it was actually done.

584
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:41,990
That whole system has bought me.

585
00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:44,410
I mean, why aren't we using the process?

586
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:48,670
I mean, I was only there for a short amount of time,

587
00:36:48,670 --> 00:36:49,690
but for me it was technical.

588
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:53,110
If you got all this equals, racing space, wow,

589
00:36:53,410 --> 00:36:56,950
what are we gonna, I mean why do you want to blow something out?

590
00:36:57,230 --> 00:37:00,510
You want to feed a nice and steady throughout the day.

591
00:37:01,230 --> 00:37:03,310
And get rid of it, you got additional tanks available.

592
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:06,230
Okay, it's pretty simple to modify things

593
00:37:06,610 --> 00:37:10,150
that are very low cost that you can use as an overflow tank

594
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:11,750
And I'm going to pop that back and treat you.

595
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:16,070
There's ways to do stuff if you want to do it.

596
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:19,390
Again, I know from what I'm listening, what I'm hearing,

597
00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:20,870
someone who's so learning.

598
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:23,630
Have they been showing all this stuff?

599
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:26,590
From what I saw, I don't think so.

600
00:37:27,690 --> 00:37:31,790
And I think it's that work with them, guide them and show them.

601
00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,490
And I think you're going to get operators

602
00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:37,270
that are going to want to do this stuff, because it's

603
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:45,050
They go in there and they feel like no one's really fixing stuff, no one's really doing

604
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:45,510
stuff.

605
00:37:45,790 --> 00:37:46,930
They're not being explained.

606
00:37:47,250 --> 00:37:50,090
They're just going to do like anybody else, like a water wipe here, you know, just

607
00:37:50,090 --> 00:37:51,070
sit here and put them on.

608
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:55,010
You know, if I say something or yell at them, that's the mentality they have.

609
00:37:56,610 --> 00:38:02,010
Our job as educators and people that are in there for this supervisor is to work with

610
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:09,630
I mean, I think if you do that, at least in my experience, a lot of them think the heart

611
00:38:09,630 --> 00:38:14,190
I want to do it, it makes them feel good, like, hey, I did something, look, it's dirty,

612
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:19,290
look how clean it is going out, you know, and my plan looks good, you know, you go in there

613
00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:26,230
and stuff, right next to the tanks and everything, you know, come on, if you go any car, I'm sure

614
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:29,750
or if it's somebody throws stuff in it, you don't put it in a gun, but there you go.

615
00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:30,390
You don't see my phone.

616
00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:33,110
Well, from where?

617
00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:35,050
I got a double bigger silver.

618
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:36,890
But yeah, it's again,

619
00:38:37,870 --> 00:38:39,830
you have young operators

620
00:38:41,130 --> 00:38:44,310
in mind when I'm just seeing them and stuff, they're still trying to learn.

621
00:38:45,810 --> 00:38:47,330
You have one that's either,

622
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,480
but I can see it a little bit in them,

623
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,080
like he would like better things done,

624
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,400
and it's just frustration-sensing.

625
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,260
Not because it wasn't one of me for us, it's just what I do is when I told him that these

626
00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:07,740
things you can do, he was a real, it's not the hard to do, I mean, it's a cost, but it's

627
00:39:07,740 --> 00:39:13,520
not a hundred thousand, probably cost, it could be five thousand, or the last, we have a

628
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:26,380
equipment we have to use, oh that's a great idea, it's a thick outside of us, but thank you

629
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:29,820
You know, there's so much of it that can be really nice.

630
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:31,900
But it all comes down to,

631
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,180
are you gonna willing to take the time and show them that?

632
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:39,440
Okay, I don't, my company,

633
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,520
I don't feel everybody for every second out there.

634
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:43,680
If I did that, I wouldn't be a business.

635
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,160
And in some places, yeah, I go in and film,

636
00:39:46,260 --> 00:39:46,960
I don't wanna do it.

637
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:49,900
Cause it takes a lot more of my time and effort.

638
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,720
And in some places, just looking at the clients,

639
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,060
talking to them, I don't really care.

640
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:59,320
I know where they're headed, and I'm not that person, so you don't want to.

641
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,420
I don't know if I was the one who's straightening out, I want to look into it, run it properly.

642
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:09,400
Or would the engineers need to find the stuff they truly need?

643
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:14,720
I mean, I heard rumors they said, I think you guys did upgrades to the water plant.

644
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,900
Or hard and just doing some kind of stuff, but I don't think you had much of the waste

645
00:40:20,900 --> 00:40:23,360
work, but there's some little things down there, not a lot.

646
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,620
That's what I said, well, that's another day when I'm there, I can take it and see what

647
00:40:30,620 --> 00:40:36,340
has been done, what isn't done, what's going to be done, what needs to be done, and then

648
00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:38,200
you can kind of chase down the world.

649
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:45,220
And just be what I'm meeting, meet with, and get them help to write the grants, shall we

650
00:40:55,340 --> 00:41:06,690
I had a quick question about, do you have a preference for labs that you currently

651
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:11,090
use or would you just keep using the labs we're using?

652
00:41:12,330 --> 00:41:18,070
I usually don't change it right away. I wait and see. And I look at over numbers because

653
00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:23,750
they're not gods. Okay, because most operators think, oh, did I be a new number question?

654
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:26,450
You have a question.

655
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:30,990
So you're not requiring us to use a particular lab?

656
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:36,010
I'm okay with what you have. I will look at stuff. There may be a time I may come to you

657
00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:40,010
to, hey, listen by, suggest that we send the same blocks and what else, and let's see what

658
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:40,530
we can prepare.

659
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:42,190
And I'm not just going to base it on one.

660
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:44,310
A couple of samples will be sent out.

661
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:45,710
We'll compare them.

662
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:49,690
And see, because sometimes they use different methods for you.

663
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:53,090
When there's one method that's supposed to be used, one lab doesn't use it.

664
00:41:53,710 --> 00:41:54,870
Well, control off your numbers.

665
00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:58,570
If you don't question them, is there just no point in replacing them?

666
00:41:58,950 --> 00:42:01,390
Because if you have a history of your numbers being a certain way,

667
00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:04,790
and all of a sudden you have a 10.0 and you get a hundred

668
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:12,650
125. I got a problem. Listen, somebody rerun that test. I need to see it. Let's go on.

669
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:18,270
Sometimes I'll come back. Oh, I'm sorry. The decimal place is the wrong place. Well,

670
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:22,370
that's wonderful for you, but if I hadn't bought it, I would have reported a violation, right?

671
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:29,930
So you have to look at these things. You can't just say all they need to do. They came to

672
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:36,430
to stand for two weeks after they test it's regulations will have to so they

673
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:40,050
should be able to retest with the qualifier saying it's being retested in a

674
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:45,050
whole time but if it's bad it was originally bad it only be off a couple of

675
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:49,990
numbers okay but if it comes back better than with the original yeah we got

676
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:56,110
problems okay this is much better so you have to question and if you don't question

677
00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:57,690
But yeah, you're gonna be in trouble.

678
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:58,710
I mean, slide is different.

679
00:42:58,890 --> 00:43:00,470
Do you even have five millimeter or 10 millimeter?

680
00:43:01,030 --> 00:43:02,590
Doesn't seem like a lot, but it's a lot.

681
00:43:03,610 --> 00:43:04,610
It makes a huge difference.

682
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:06,430
So, we look at all that.

683
00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:09,970
I mean, everything you have, I'll be looking at.

684
00:43:10,030 --> 00:43:10,530
I'm not gonna.

685
00:43:11,970 --> 00:43:13,230
I don't like just sitting there.

686
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:14,930
I don't wanna look at stuff.

687
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:16,450
I wanna see what's there, what can we do?

688
00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:21,610
We just want it out of, I'm done, I just want it to function.

689
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:27,400
It gets worse by sitting there, okay?

690
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,340
So the longer you let it sit, the worse it's going to cost, and it's going to cost you a lot more money.

691
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:43,280
So if we can start utilizing now, let's get numbers and prioritize what we need to fix and start going on.

692
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:47,740
The biggest is, I think, your evaluation, and your analysis of this.

693
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:51,740
To clarify, for me, that's like a minor thing that can't be done.

694
00:43:52,500 --> 00:43:55,780
It should take too long to do that, but those things are very important.

695
00:43:55,780 --> 00:44:02,980
the flow comes in and I should be able to hold my flow process. So you don't have those

696
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:06,120
notes or my calls and worries of what I'm going to do.

697
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:14,380
Thank you. It's good to be on the other thing. I need its preferences sent from New York

698
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:17,180
risk for your company. I can do that for you.

699
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:22,560
Well, we'll get that to you. Yeah, whenever you need it, as far as I'm concerned, I don't

700
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:31,560
If anybody says, I'll send down a superintendent's license for both and you can always say, here it is.

701
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,680
We're finalizing it whatever, but by calling them out of the caller.

702
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,740
So tell me at work.

703
00:44:38,180 --> 00:44:41,120
You don't have that lapse.

704
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:43,620
Like something we're worried about.

705
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,680
And I said, don't worry about it.

706
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Just tell them.

707
00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:46,020
Here it is.

708
00:44:46,180 --> 00:44:46,540
We're working.

709
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,360
We don't have to get the call.

710
00:44:48,340 --> 00:44:49,500
It's not even saying anything.

711
00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:53,540
It's when you don't, and you go for months, a month, a month, a month, two, a month.

712
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,940
Somebody now that meeting is starting to, it's just crazy.

713
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,680
All right. Well, thank you.

714
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,580
Thank you so much.

715
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:33,180
Next we have, did you want to be the other one they put that makes

716
00:45:33,820 --> 00:45:38,540
That's great to think that these training everything would be included in that.

717
00:45:38,540 --> 00:45:43,000
They will help more obtain the library training, and they will help a bit.

718
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,160
Finish is super happy.

719
00:45:45,940 --> 00:45:47,180
Oh, I'm sorry guys.

720
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,060
Do you happen to have a glass of water by chance?

721
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,920
No, right.

722
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:52,880
Yeah, I was talking to them.

723
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:53,460
Sorry.

724
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,780
There's one big fear.

725
00:45:56,140 --> 00:45:56,740
You know, you can agree.

726
00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:57,960
I can't be hurting.

727
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:58,560
I can't.

728
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,600
I wanted to say that.

729
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,200
if you would've held it.

730
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,280
So, though, as a temporary experience,

731
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:10,920
wasn't the first day because they could not be here

732
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:11,320
this evening.

733
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:13,180
And that was myself marketing events.

734
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:16,620
Dave will push a bit to finish the supervisor right

735
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:19,560
then because he only needs the hours now.

736
00:46:19,820 --> 00:46:22,280
He needs pretty much done everything else that he's

737
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:22,680
been done.

738
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,020
He would obtain them next year so that we wouldn't mean,

739
00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:33,560
eventually would not need an outsourced company anyway. They will recommend that Mark

740
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:42,700
flies to Stanford as well and starts the training like Eldridge and DRA have. Review and update

741
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:47,600
SOTs for water and wastewater every the next several months as they come in. They were able

742
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:53,980
to see them when they were here. They are all advisers on a metal rack in a biz office as

743
00:46:53,980 --> 00:47:01,360
as well as all the reporting is in a three trial file cabinet in its office from month to month to week to week to whatever they have to report.

744
00:47:03,460 --> 00:47:08,340
And I think that was it, but that would all be included in what they already gave us.

745
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:15,320
There's no additional charges for any of that because it comes with the daily operations of the wage management plan.

746
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:22,500
And they're already substantially less expensive, but they said in their email that they don't

747
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:28,960
see the need to be here monthly, or weekly, and they could move.

748
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:29,440
Correct.

749
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,760
He said that with us having operators in training, he would need to come at least monthly,

750
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,400
but he would be at 24 hours done in the year we started to call show up at need being.

751
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:41,200
Is he closer?

752
00:47:48,840 --> 00:48:06,740
I think they're the ones that Dan and his son that will be running it from students though and the lady that helps with the DMR that people work is the same lady that works for their lab as well that would help.

753
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:22,660
That is one thing I have been looking at, the pricing between the two labs because we switched to the one lab, so I'm trying to see how much of a price difference it would be if we go back because they were a little higher, then what we currently take out.

754
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:27,560
But there was issues when it just left so going back to them would be

755
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:33,180
well the product was and I did ask that in the emails attached as well they

756
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:38,240
can't give commentary when they do lab results. Obviously if they're doing it

757
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:43,480
and they're our superintendent then they're gonna tell us what to do what's

758
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,560
wrong but they cannot give commentary when they're just their lab. They

759
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,020
simply test the results and send the results back and that's when you're

760
00:48:51,020 --> 00:48:56,560
superintendent or your acting superintendent tells you what needs to be done or what's wrong.

761
00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:03,540
So are they are they proposing to do all the nuance stuff that this gentleman is proposed

762
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:10,980
because for me I'm like start up with when we're starting up with the new operator from

763
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:19,580
one from what we had we do need that structure and we do need that we need that iron fist to

764
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:22,580
make sure everything's going the way it's supposed to until they get those train

765
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:31,280
and wheels. So to me, I feel like the other one is cheaper, but this gentleman

766
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,720
wants to, wants them to test everything, which should be done every day. It

767
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:44,800
shouldn't be just what they say, like, what Susanna tells them now, and this is all

768
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,340
you have to do. The bear now. It should be doing everything you have to do. To me,

769
00:49:49,340 --> 00:49:51,820
He can be testing that whole sheet should be full.

770
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:54,060
And that's the first thing when he walked in

771
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:54,900
and looked at the sheet.

772
00:49:55,660 --> 00:49:57,320
It's like, what does that look like?

773
00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:58,840
To me, he sounded more like,

774
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,360
and again, a musical kitchen analogy, because it fits.

775
00:50:02,380 --> 00:50:04,060
He seems like more of the kind of person

776
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:06,420
should come in, throw his sleeves up, and work.

777
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,180
And to me, it speaks also volumes that make a meeting.

778
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,980
I understand things from up, but like,

779
00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:14,980
great.

780
00:50:15,660 --> 00:50:16,920
At least give us a proposal,

781
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,060
like a real proposal,

782
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:38,160
I'm a little, I'm much more, I'm not a big fan hard asses, I'm not a big fan of something as an iron fist, but I also understand that like, in order to do things, you've got to be there and hold their hands, and you've got to crack some eggs, make some omelettes, and it might be that means eggs be cracked.

783
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:48,220
Well, the other differences, not too, with Mr. Singh, we get a class four water operator

784
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:50,320
and test people.

785
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:54,100
We only get a class three operator, water operator, superintendent.

786
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:04,260
He has to class four, two, one, Mr. Shield says his list of people that he, what they agree

787
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:08,860
are they they're going to provide a class three water superintendents on the

788
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:14,680
second piece for the first thing number one yeah he said class three and

789
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,980
class five eight yeah and mr. Singh's gonna give us a class four and a class

790
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:25,100
five eight right yeah the class three is just water right right I want to

791
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:32,760
say I want to say a bid and I'll just have five I thought they did have some

792
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,040
sort of. Yeah, they just they operate or say that we're missification. It's the superintendant

793
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:46,300
waste water that we're technically missing. And the other thing was Mr. Singh's company

794
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:52,240
charges ninety five dollars now for emergencies where Chesapeake charges two hundred and fifty

795
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:56,120
dollars for emergencies now. So that's significant.

796
00:51:58,970 --> 00:52:00,990
The only thing I do that is something I don't

797
00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:06,290
know, which is because we're here, but, you know, just saying

798
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:08,830
that we were saying that, you know, he could pull up in real time

799
00:52:08,830 --> 00:52:09,290
numbers.

800
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:13,270
Yes, he has, and I, he told me a point like that.

801
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:14,810
I could put it on my phone, and I could see.

802
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:17,010
And I'd be fan of micro managers either, but.

803
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:20,930
Every day, and he did, I could pull it up on my computer,

804
00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:24,050
and see a report for two months ago, right on that point.

805
00:52:24,050 --> 00:52:26,910
But to me, like, a pound of prevention

806
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:30,010
more than whatever, you know, the adage.

807
00:52:30,350 --> 00:52:32,410
I mean, it's not people are drinking.

808
00:52:32,570 --> 00:52:34,870
Yeah, so I, I, I, we're paying now.

809
00:52:35,090 --> 00:52:38,330
At least my husband is not significantly different

810
00:52:38,330 --> 00:52:40,150
than what things would be.

811
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:41,010
That was my next question.

812
00:52:41,010 --> 00:52:41,910
What are we paying now?

813
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:43,490
Yeah, we're paying $46 a month now.

814
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:43,990
Yeah, so.

815
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:46,570
But you either way, we're going to have to,

816
00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:49,690
either way, it's going to come back to rolling the budget back out

817
00:52:49,690 --> 00:52:51,810
because we're going to have to do a budget modification

818
00:52:51,810 --> 00:52:53,150
because you don't know where.

819
00:52:53,150 --> 00:53:00,030
here, I mean, based on what he's saying, if you go with saying, or even the other person,

820
00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:03,050
you still have to do a budget modification because you don't know where those numbers

821
00:53:03,050 --> 00:53:07,710
are going to lie with labs, equipment testing, because like he's saying, if he goes in there

822
00:53:07,710 --> 00:53:12,650
and he doesn't like the tools that they're using to test, or they don't even have it, if

823
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:16,750
he's saying we're going to do more testing, that's going to require more tools, and it's probably

824
00:53:16,750 --> 00:53:19,870
more than what we've already budgeted in those line-items, so you're going to have to do

825
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:24,330
a budget modification. So, you know, while we're just looking at this cost, I mean, there's

826
00:53:24,330 --> 00:53:26,750
going to be money that's going to have to be shipped across the budget.

827
00:53:26,750 --> 00:53:33,430
Well, check in the lab pricing because, I mean, $1,600 difference between the two companies,

828
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:39,950
but the lab make up the difference, I don't know. I was trying to look at that to see.

829
00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:47,390
I know we have the E&R and Richmond grant that we can get in 27 to upgrade a lot of the

830
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:47,930
waste water.

831
00:53:50,070 --> 00:53:57,540
After we do the pump station, the pump station is the first initial, but I like

832
00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:02,120
the fact that he actually questions the numbers and that he's actually looking at the numbers.

833
00:54:02,300 --> 00:54:06,420
I've not heard anybody come in here and say like I'm looking at these numbers to say what it is.

834
00:54:06,740 --> 00:54:11,520
And as many times as MDE has sent us a letter, what a fine, for whatever the case may be to me,

835
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:18,360
that right there just sold me 100%. Well, and my thing is, what we have now with the fines

836
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,040
and the letters, and there's not support.

837
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,120
I don't feel like there's support

838
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,980
and that from the first volume.

839
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:29,480
Yes, where I feel like with thing,

840
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,820
there would be support.

841
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:33,220
And he would fight for a fight for the high pay.

842
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,820
Yeah, because he knows it's his license on the board.

843
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:37,160
He's on the line for that.

844
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:39,420
So I feel like, you know, that aspect of him saying,

845
00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:43,000
you know, this is my license, he takes that to part.

846
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:43,440
Not the same.

847
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:44,960
And I've seen it that the guy, yes,

848
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:46,100
that's the hand of it, and I'm,

849
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:51,840
No, it's just like if you have the problem over with a kitchen and said this is this and you're like actually comar says x, y, and z

850
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,120
As long as you have it from pudding to say that

851
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:00,880
It's so funny that it's staying on and it's so fun for it. It's so long it's starting to turn, or it's starting to get whatever the last day is, at least

852
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:09,000
If I have to ask them to stay longer and it's their problem, he's just not doing any more of the time than this

853
00:55:13,230 --> 00:55:14,430
When you land the monkey

854
00:55:15,310 --> 00:55:17,050
But this one the one for

855
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:20,510
seeing it is for, it's a three-year agreement.

856
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,700
And then it's a written notice for 90 days termination.

857
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:30,160
I've been actually discussed with Lindsey the last meeting

858
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,200
that once we decided people she was going to have to review

859
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,440
it to make changes and then you have to see

860
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,940
if they accept the changes anyway.

861
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:37,740
So whatever.

862
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,020
90 days is a lot to do.

863
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:41,700
I mean, I guess not to give me that.

864
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,280
But at this end of the day, 90 days would give me a lot of wiggle room

865
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,060
would you try and find somebody else is opposed to,

866
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,120
oh, we got to ask someone to stay on for a little bit longer.

867
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:54,960
Don't know, agreed.

868
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,940
I'm seven of the three years in terms of it.

869
00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:58,920
That was 90 days, wasn't it?

870
00:55:59,020 --> 00:56:00,060
No, maybe it was 30.

871
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,160
30, okay.

872
00:56:01,540 --> 00:56:04,980
Yeah, that's basically August 14th,

873
00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:06,420
but he agreed to stay out of it.

874
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:07,500
Because he knows this.

875
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,600
But, so that would mean that we would need to vote tonight

876
00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:16,820
to vote with someone because it isn't sex willing,

877
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,180
he's willing to stay on it because he doesn't even

878
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,720
I don't know if you can tell us or see me.

879
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,320
So we find someone.

880
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,000
That's why I love that question.

881
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:28,140
So I could get all the numbers in line.

882
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:29,420
So I would like to.

883
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,360
Yeah.

884
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,100
I just find out.

885
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,120
The other things.

886
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:33,820
The other one.

887
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:36,880
Yeah, because they.

888
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:39,720
I just like it.

889
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,300
I mean, for what it works, I like that.

890
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:43,480
You know, not just futuristic.

891
00:56:44,860 --> 00:56:46,280
That he's going to be looking at numbers.

892
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,040
I like the fact that this guy say,

893
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,840
I'm coming into door and looking at your numbers.

894
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,760
It's prologue.

895
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:51,720
It's a spreadsheet.

896
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:52,120
I'm going to look.

897
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,200
It's a spreadsheet that is putting numbers in.

898
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:56,720
It's an actual calculation per grade.

899
00:56:56,900 --> 00:56:58,220
It's actually everything out.

900
00:56:59,140 --> 00:57:02,800
And I could print a report, every meeting, and bring,

901
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,040
and say, OK, here's who we are.

902
00:57:05,500 --> 00:57:06,360
This is what's going on.

903
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,880
It's a problem coming to a meeting once a month

904
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,300
and explaining what's going on.

905
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,880
I mean, that kind of thing where the other ones were

906
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,820
just kind of like, oh, you know,

907
00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:30,760
So it allows some prevention of problems that can snowball, which is just if we've been

908
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,440
paying somebody's help, but that still remains that there's, anyway, different stories.

909
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,360
Okay, so you're going to get us the, yeah, so we're going to do all of that.

910
00:57:43,940 --> 00:57:48,680
Next we have the rezoning of our graves to R3.

911
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,820
So this has already gone to planning and zoning.

912
00:57:54,260 --> 00:58:00,740
Planning and zoning was okay with it moving from R1 to R3, meaning it was individual

913
00:58:00,740 --> 00:58:10,460
residential to multi-family dwellings, so in which case everybody has the plan and the

914
00:58:10,460 --> 00:58:14,720
the car buttons you guys are here to present to speak to the plant. Are you guys speaking to it or?

915
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:24,260
Okay, he's here. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. You can come on up here if you can speak this way. The camera will pick you up.

916
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:37,540
Yeah, just come on. Just come on this way. Just to the microphone. Pick jokes. It's the large room. So while he's walking up, this was originally brought by Mr. Butler to planning and

917
00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:40,980
I mean, Mr. Torbotton was bringing it back

918
00:58:41,460 --> 00:58:42,940
and he was working with a developer

919
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:44,900
who then developed the base of the art.

920
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:47,020
And they were coming to a meeting

921
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:49,880
and it was scheduled with the developer, unfortunately,

922
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:51,700
that he was working with, called and said,

923
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:52,740
no, I'm not coming anymore.

924
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,900
So this is how we got back to resigning it

925
00:58:56,900 --> 00:59:00,220
with our gray with his blueprint now in our hands.

926
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,480
Okay, the floor is what she said.

927
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:15,380
Basically, like it's exactly, as she said, April 29th, 2026, it was on the Council agenda,

928
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,720
but like she said, the gentleman will just say disappear.

929
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:25,760
So tonight, Mr. Tarbotton's requesting, resigning to R3, I pulled up and I think you have

930
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:26,780
it in your packet there.

931
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:34,040
The future land use map on your cop plan, Caroline County's future land use map, the parcels

932
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:39,120
around it as you're aware as you turn the sidewalk electric, that's how you get to

933
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:46,240
the forest. So there's apartments back there. So I will try to answer any questions you

934
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,720
may have. And you should have the concept to plan for the apartments.

935
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:59,800
Yes, so we have houses that we have, yes, and obviously that's a concept plan if they were

936
00:59:59,800 --> 00:59:59,920
Great.

937
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:18,260
I want to get it rezone and a developer wanted to develop that they have to come for a site plan review and all of that down there. This is just a concept. Right. So when we had originally, when Mr. Butler had originally presented it, we had talked about like the townhouse concept. This was a planning planning and zoning. Right.

938
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:29,900
As opposed to the apartment complex. Because currently up there now, this is on the backside of the old.

939
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:56,860
Right, but there's already the apartments that are up there kind of like quads, right? So there's one floor, the senior area, but there's one floor, I know, like, yeah, yeah, um, so, um, so what would happen is if, if so since planning and zoning had already, they approved it going to our three, it's forward, it's a mayor and council to then schedule a public hearing.

940
01:00:56,860 --> 01:01:00,140
I mean, but you guys have whatever questions we have

941
01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:01,620
and you can ask the questions.

942
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,020
But it would get scheduled for a public hearing

943
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:06,880
for the residents that live up in there

944
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,360
that board of this property to put their input.

945
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,320
Yeah, we could in theory bump it back down

946
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,340
to planning and zoning.

947
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,700
If we had concerns about the property.

948
01:01:20,980 --> 01:01:24,780
Well, so what would happen is that they're moving it

949
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:29,020
from R1 to R3, they still don't have exact specific plans.

950
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:33,360
So I'm just looking at Lindsay's comments here,

951
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:36,780
and I don't think that planning and zoning was aware of any

952
01:01:36,780 --> 01:01:38,520
of this stuff when they made that determination

953
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:41,260
of which part.

954
01:01:41,860 --> 01:01:43,220
Well, it's going with the first paragraph.

955
01:01:45,420 --> 01:01:47,260
Oh, and it's piecemeal zoom.

956
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,880
Yeah, I mean, they're supposed to kind of,

957
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,680
I was at that meeting.

958
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:55,040
They think that this is none of this was considered.

959
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:03,820
So I didn't have enough work to think, look at this again with a little education behind their reasoning.

960
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:12,900
But my, but I guess the thing is if we're getting ready to re-appoint planning and zoning committees,

961
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:17,340
and you're saying to bump this back down to them, will they even know what the original goal is?

962
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:20,740
I mean, they would have somebody who would have to explain the idea.

963
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,720
I don't want them to have to go back and go through this process.

964
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:23,540
I understand.

965
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,920
No, it's the exact same concept plan as Mr. Butler wrote.

966
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,940
I guess this is what was presented to the plan.

967
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:30,400
Right.

968
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:35,960
I'm just saying that the plan was made their decision without understanding what they're

969
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:36,160
doing.

970
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,840
So it's a piecemeal, but it's a piecemeal.

971
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:43,260
And that concept plan is not necessarily what would be built there.

972
01:02:43,420 --> 01:02:49,400
That was an initial concept plan, whoever buys it would present to you what they can until

973
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,220
they know they have the proper zoning, so they would have to come back.

974
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:56,380
and say like I said a site plan review they have to go back to planning is

975
01:02:56,380 --> 01:03:02,860
earning for all of that but none of that can happen as it's R1. So if it's R3

976
01:03:02,860 --> 01:03:08,520
so is it that they want to do either apartments or a storage unit because

977
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:13,280
this is for multi this is residential. That's all the table. That's all the table.

978
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,480
That's all right because I was confused about it. Yeah that would have to be

979
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,780
commercial for the storage unit so that's that gentleman has since disappeared

980
01:03:20,780 --> 01:03:27,720
as well. It could be this, but it could be any other different way. You're just looking

981
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:35,500
to go from one to another, one to three. Correct. And then you will present these ideas

982
01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:39,780
to planning commission. And then they would send that to you guys. And yes.

983
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,780
Once it's,

984
01:03:44,780 --> 01:03:52,100
Once it's been resumed to R3 and the developer comes in and they say I want to do this project.

985
01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:59,500
As long as it's allowed in the R3 zone, they can do that project, is that correct?

986
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,300
Like if we prefer townhouses, they can still go in and put apartments.

987
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:08,740
And they still have to present what they want to do to plan and commission, yes.

988
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,240
And then it will come back to you guys again.

989
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:11,220
So

990
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:19,150
essentially they just want to change it to R3 so they can sell it at an R3 line.

991
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:19,570
Yes.

992
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:32,440
So if it changes, my thing is if you change it to R3 then what happens to like in that area like where the, where the,

993
01:04:32,820 --> 01:04:38,620
where the top tank building is does that change what can go into that building because then that's that's commercial.

994
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,660
It's actually medical.

995
01:04:40,660 --> 01:04:45,080
And your math that's done ID-1, which is incorrect for the medical school.

996
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,580
But there's a floating medical piece to the zoning for federal's burglary.

997
01:04:49,580 --> 01:04:52,920
I think that fits into that's for sale, that property.

998
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,500
That's what I was saying, like that again.

999
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:01,440
But if you look, which I will say our comp mat needs to have the labels to the road.

1000
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:08,160
Because it's kind of hard to see like some of those roads cut off in different zoning things.

1001
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:14,680
and it's kind of hard to see where the, which road it is. So those roads really, really need to be labeled on that map.

1002
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:34,860
But back to the point is that, if that's ID3 there, so you're telling me around, around the back of that building, is where the RD3, all the way around, like in a horseshoe kind of sort of, is like the RD1 right now, but they want to change it to RD3. Okay, excluding that building.

1003
01:05:34,860 --> 01:05:37,400
It sort of goes back to a field back there.

1004
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,760
You know, it would not affect the medical building.

1005
01:05:41,180 --> 01:05:41,320
Right.

1006
01:05:42,380 --> 01:05:43,300
There's your watch.

1007
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:44,140
Yeah.

1008
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,700
Like if you just wanted to bring it on that road.

1009
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,740
And this field, do that there.

1010
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:50,480
Do you do that there?

1011
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:51,620
You're going to be there.

1012
01:05:51,620 --> 01:05:53,600
Chop tank is right in there.

1013
01:05:54,140 --> 01:05:56,040
Before there is a single apartment.

1014
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:58,560
So maybe just pass that, like you're going to pass away,

1015
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,060
if you chop tank it, it really is a big field.

1016
01:06:01,340 --> 01:06:03,080
I think not this one.

1017
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:11,800
So you have to rezone that small.

1018
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,860
And it's really hard to figure out on the future.

1019
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,920
And of course, the future of land is like it doesn't seem

1020
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,000
for some whole company.

1021
01:06:21,420 --> 01:06:23,340
It's just that it's going to work.

1022
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:24,300
Yeah.

1023
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,880
One on the left and one on the right.

1024
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:30,160
It would be to the right behind in that course you're shaped.

1025
01:06:32,740 --> 01:06:39,320
Yeah, and you see like even when you're here, it's like a piece of shop tank is included in the R2.

1026
01:06:41,980 --> 01:06:44,840
It's weird, it means like labels.

1027
01:06:45,340 --> 01:06:49,440
It doesn't, it's a beer you worked also because the one that they have is signed from people.

1028
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,060
This one is definitely, it's a beer line.

1029
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,900
Yeah, yeah, that's all.

1030
01:06:54,900 --> 01:07:04,510
I mean, we could ask for a personal preference, but in reality, once it's indoor free, it is what it is, they put whatever they want there.

1031
01:07:04,850 --> 01:07:08,130
Well, no, they still have to go to planning commission, they couldn't just put whatever they want.

1032
01:07:08,310 --> 01:07:09,830
They don't have to. Well, it's all within the body.

1033
01:07:10,110 --> 01:07:11,070
Yes, within the body.

1034
01:07:11,570 --> 01:07:11,730
Yeah.

1035
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:20,600
Uh-huh, she in the right side.

1036
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:22,280
It's just a weird map.

1037
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,100
That's what I was saying.

1038
01:07:25,420 --> 01:07:27,120
It's like, really, we don't

1039
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:30,360
even know where to get that map.

1040
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:36,740
it would be up in here or any if it's up this side this is where it is up in here

1041
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:42,120
it's like back at Chris Pierce's and yeah this part here yeah because I think

1042
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,580
I don't know if I bad I think that's what we're looking down at in it.

1043
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:55,740
Four point four point six three acres so they want to put back here.

1044
01:07:55,740 --> 01:08:02,260
So I think they're not developing it through just trying to finish everything.

1045
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:03,300
Not already.

1046
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:04,660
It's right there.

1047
01:08:04,820 --> 01:08:06,200
You want to talk just about winning this thing?

1048
01:08:06,220 --> 01:08:07,380
Well this is Blochett.

1049
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:08,600
How have you thought about it?

1050
01:08:09,540 --> 01:08:12,820
This man was like wrestling and if we allowed...

1051
01:08:12,820 --> 01:08:14,560
Deory, this is University.

1052
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,020
This corner here is the Choptan building right here.

1053
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:23,260
Wouldn't it be this piece here?

1054
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:26,020
It would mean a little yellow piece.

1055
01:08:26,020 --> 01:08:30,000
if that's what you're talking about, it has to be because that's being the piece in

1056
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,000
that area that's already one.

1057
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,320
I still like the map that you want.

1058
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,040
I can't see because my eye is bad.

1059
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:46,400
So these are all individual houses along here.

1060
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:50,400
And this is, if this is university, just look.

1061
01:08:50,940 --> 01:08:52,020
Right, this is right here.

1062
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,980
You must be this piece here.

1063
01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,100
right because of the shape of that.

1064
01:08:56,340 --> 01:08:57,720
It's got to be in this piece right here.

1065
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:58,560
It's that piece.

1066
01:09:00,420 --> 01:09:01,080
It's there.

1067
01:09:02,020 --> 01:09:03,840
This would be, this is the lie wood.

1068
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,860
This starts all the commercial.

1069
01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:07,880
This is commercial here.

1070
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,120
Right, this is bees and all that stuff there.

1071
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,000
And then, but so, whatever,

1072
01:09:14,380 --> 01:09:16,280
like that, we're actually on this map

1073
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,260
where the old medical building is,

1074
01:09:19,340 --> 01:09:19,800
it's yellow.

1075
01:09:20,220 --> 01:09:21,000
It's our want.

1076
01:09:21,540 --> 01:09:21,840
But,

1077
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,300
But attached to it they we federal special

1078
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,060
special

1079
01:09:26,060 --> 01:09:26,380
special

1080
01:09:26,380 --> 01:09:26,640
special.

1081
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:28,560
Yeah, I don't think they have

1082
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,540
attached to it because that was an issue.

1083
01:09:30,540 --> 01:09:32,660
Cause I had looked at it for the commercial.

1084
01:09:32,980 --> 01:09:33,120
Yeah.

1085
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:37,680
So but that it's this piece of yeah it's that piece of property

1086
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:37,920
there.

1087
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:38,620
Yeah.

1088
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:45,040
Yep.

1089
01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:45,680
Yep.

1090
01:09:45,940 --> 01:09:46,900
That point you went right there.

1091
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:48,260
So.

1092
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:50,180
Yeah.

1093
01:09:51,140 --> 01:09:52,880
But I but I'm taking.

1094
01:09:57,010 --> 01:10:10,450
So no, but so until Lindsay's point, right? So backing this actually does touch the other way right. So to me, that's not really peace-mealing if you're

1095
01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:17,750
Just like to me, I feel like if R3 like was all the way around yellow

1096
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:23,950
But it's not it's just the exciting right into where it stopped now hold on. No, because this is the one from 2000

1097
01:10:23,950 --> 01:10:26,010
I mean, it's not time to wonder what the one can do that.

1098
01:10:26,190 --> 01:10:28,230
It's the same thing as the one from D.

1099
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:29,210
That's the same thing.

1100
01:10:29,410 --> 01:10:30,070
It's the same thing.

1101
01:10:30,090 --> 01:10:32,110
And I can understand her point to spot zoning.

1102
01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:34,030
It's not a good thing for anybody.

1103
01:10:34,570 --> 01:10:36,470
But usually when it's contiguous, you know,

1104
01:10:36,610 --> 01:10:38,090
with the same zone, you see it.

1105
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,680
And to you point, the properties to the left.

1106
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:50,660
When you turn by liable to electric

1107
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:52,580
and you're driving back car grade this year, right?

1108
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,960
Yeah, but the properties that aren't

1109
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,520
anywhere to the left are there.

1110
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,440
Oh, yeah, there's no heart, but, yes, there's

1111
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,600
So you kind of take this little piece more kind of to extend it out.

1112
01:11:02,700 --> 01:11:03,820
Yes, exactly.

1113
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,380
Yeah, this is the standard one.

1114
01:11:07,420 --> 01:11:10,540
And that's actually one of the marketing things we want to reach out to the outside

1115
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:12,840
departments that are now there and see if they don't take it.

1116
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,140
Yeah, I mean, then we're covered.

1117
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,040
My initial principle is that this is one of the things that's trying to do with it.

1118
01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:20,540
Well, I think this is the marketing space.

1119
01:11:20,660 --> 01:11:20,800
Good.

1120
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,340
Anyway, I'm sure that wasn't it.

1121
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,960
And that's going to be a lot more traffic going on in that road.

1122
01:11:26,500 --> 01:11:32,640
But I would say probably do you get it?

1123
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,340
No, there's more than one.

1124
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,540
I did it more than one, so it's not a little long.

1125
01:11:36,620 --> 01:11:36,840
OK.

1126
01:11:37,660 --> 01:11:39,260
All right, so do you guys have questions

1127
01:11:39,260 --> 01:11:40,520
what do you want to go up to?

1128
01:11:40,820 --> 01:11:43,420
I think you're OK with just scheduling the public hearing.

1129
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,960
Because yeah, this is what Lindsay was just giving us options.

1130
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,420
Yeah, so we have, right, we have to get to the public hearing.

1131
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,740
The planning that it had for approval.

1132
01:11:50,740 --> 01:12:01,060
we would make a motion to schedule the public hearing to move you know we

1133
01:12:01,060 --> 01:12:07,880
can do with that September 9th. September 9th is at least the 15 days out.

1134
01:12:10,940 --> 01:12:15,350
Is that a regular council meeting night too? Yeah okay so do it all but we're

1135
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:23,250
when it went to the Labor Day, so it was September 19th, so I need a motion to schedule

1136
01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:29,470
a public hearing for the rezoning of the heart race property from R1 to R3.

1137
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:35,750
Motion to have a public hearing for the rezoning of heart race from R1 to R3.

1138
01:12:36,090 --> 01:12:36,430
Second.

1139
01:12:37,570 --> 01:12:38,270
All is a favor.

1140
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:39,130
Councilman Ferguson.

1141
01:12:39,470 --> 01:12:39,650
Hi.

1142
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:41,150
Councilwoman James.

1143
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:54,340
All right we'll see you guys back for the public here. Thank you. Thank you.

1144
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:57,120
Okay

1145
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,600
next we have appointments for planning and zoning and we're filling this out.

1146
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:03,100
Okay,

1147
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:11,960
so we just received the last turn, since then, we had a last-minute meeting of

1148
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:16,640
the Friday and the 8th to get everybody up to date.

1149
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:23,100
Currently we have five, we recommend to have five members appointed to the committee

1150
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:24,140
completely.

1151
01:13:25,980 --> 01:13:31,460
it's difficult having a forum of at least three members who we have. Josh is not available

1152
01:13:31,460 --> 01:13:38,960
on Wednesdays. I spoke with him. He has agreed to go as an alternate so that he is still

1153
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:46,920
on the committee if needed. Lisa's last day was the last meeting. She's moving. That leaves

1154
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:51,760
us with Brian Gatta, one of the long to jump in who still want to stay on the committee.

1155
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:57,840
So we received six applicants,

1156
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,840
yes, six applicants.

1157
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:10,460
Jim Thomas, Stephen Parts, and Steve Bollinger were the first ones to request to be on the committee.

1158
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:19,940
My suggestion is appointing the three of them, leaving Josh as an alternate and adding Paul who was the next person as an alternate,

1159
01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:26,040
which would give us five because we have a hard enough time with a five getting three for a form at a meeting.

1160
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:31,940
And there's so much that now needs to go through planning and zoning before it comes to Marin Council.

1161
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:37,280
That I think we need to have those alternates in case people don't show up.

1162
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,000
Those alternates are already there in the meeting.

1163
01:14:40,300 --> 01:14:44,520
We can have three alternates, right? So we have to have an odd number.

1164
01:14:45,140 --> 01:14:48,080
So we have a committee supposed to be five.

1165
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,100
That's what I'm saying. We will have to find and then have three alternatives.

1166
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:59,900
Well, we can, but my suggestion was going to be the fourth person, so we can put Steve Bollinger back on here is to ask her

1167
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,640
I want to go on board of appeals. As cool. Miranda, she's the other old brush, she'll do it outside of town. Oh, she could be the other old. She was the last person to ask to become a member. So my thoughts were the last permissive volunteer committee, so she asked her to go to board of appeals. So we would have two alternatives and then a board of five. And then Brian has let you know that he

1168
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,700
he will eventually be rolling off.

1169
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,300
Yes, he's going to give me plenty of notice.

1170
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:37,800
And when he does, then we can advertise for another person.

1171
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:40,620
But we'll already take the altar at that you could pick from.

1172
01:15:40,940 --> 01:15:42,120
So he'll pull one of the altar.

1173
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:43,340
That are already up to speed.

1174
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:43,700
Yes.

1175
01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:44,420
OK.

1176
01:15:46,020 --> 01:15:48,920
And everybody who we appoint is going to be OK

1177
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,360
with taking the training that's coming up on Wednesday, right?

1178
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,800
I can't say that they're going to be able to do it this way.

1179
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:57,980
We can't mandate it as of we're telling them

1180
01:15:57,980 --> 01:16:00,040
to my only three of them are here.

1181
01:16:00,980 --> 01:16:03,540
I can't, we can't manage them to take this training away.

1182
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,440
Well, if the three gets here, that's going to be appointed is,

1183
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,500
that means the two that's spain or rage should know

1184
01:16:10,500 --> 01:16:12,000
because I saw the email from Maggie.

1185
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:14,600
They should be, but I was inquired that if they've needed

1186
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,800
to present the certificate after they took the class,

1187
01:16:16,900 --> 01:16:18,720
then I said, yes, so we'll see how that works.

1188
01:16:19,020 --> 01:16:20,200
With honors, little ones, huh?

1189
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,180
It's in the e, it's a lot.

1190
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,260
It's a lot.

1191
01:16:23,420 --> 01:16:23,700
It's a lot.

1192
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:24,740
It's virtual.

1193
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:25,040
It's virtual.

1194
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,820
I figured I'd do it a lot.

1195
01:16:28,340 --> 01:16:36,020
I know that and that was my example he wasn't driving today so he could be here so I didn't want to

1196
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:39,740
I told her I said I can't tell them tomorrow morning that you have to take class Wednesday night

1197
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,960
But it's all the planning commissioning class is there's in a one-on-one

1198
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:49,740
You can take it in time Maggie and I both took it in time. I thought I had seen that it was like offered it

1199
01:16:51,420 --> 01:16:54,480
I'm pretty sure you can log in inside of it and get it at this time.

1200
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:06,760
So I would think as long as they took it by the next class, the next meeting, which is

1201
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:11,460
the end of the month, we should be able to get the information.

1202
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,560
Yeah, and I have plenty of commission information.

1203
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:20,400
I'll just get their emails and I can forward it to them because it's very simple like two, three hour pass.

1204
01:17:21,020 --> 01:17:30,180
So, we would be looking at Brian, Melonda, Steven, Steve, Jim, Paul and Josh.

1205
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:30,940
Yes,

1206
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:35,130
I think that's a good crew.

1207
01:17:37,250 --> 01:17:38,930
Okay, so ready for that?

1208
01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:47,720
Okay, so I'll take a motion to appoint the three and then the two for alternate.

1209
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:59,780
So I'll make a motion that we appoint Stephen Park, Steve Bollinger, and Jim Thomas to the planning is there any committee?

1210
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,180
A second.

1211
01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:08,760
And alternates with the Josh Phillips and Paul McCullough.

1212
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,480
Sorry, Crawford and Paul Crawford.

1213
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,080
I seconded the alternate.

1214
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,420
Okay. Councilman Ferguson.

1215
01:18:21,540 --> 01:18:24,580
I have a question in regards to planning and zoning.

1216
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:31,760
So I know we are ramping up planning and zoning board of appeals need to be appointed in such.

1217
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,400
I don't I've never understood why planning and zoning.

1218
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:39,380
I know the purpose of planning and zoning and why it exists and what they do.

1219
01:18:39,380 --> 01:18:54,160
But I've never understood why in the history of federal court why our planning and zoning committee never came to Mary Council to present like hey, these are these are this is what came before planning and we never knew what they were being told or offer.

1220
01:18:54,420 --> 01:19:04,580
We never knew anything with planning and zoning and I don't think it's our duty to sit there. I think that was the whole design of having a planning and zoning committee so that we're not there as an influence to what they do.

1221
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:19,060
So I think, you know, a talk with planning zoning to let them know like somebody needs to be responsible to come to these meetings and present out as to what's being brought before planning zoning so that we're in the loop as to what's going on.

1222
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:26,860
Because, I mean, there's so much coming before them and we still, we couldn't tell you unless we're sitting there because nobody tells us.

1223
01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:28,960
That would have been a good idea to have the committee report.

1224
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:35,620
Yeah, and that person, that was the hard part of having four people was nobody wanted

1225
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:38,280
to take that advocacy of being president.

1226
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:44,400
So once that person is appointed from the five that are on the committee, then that person

1227
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:50,140
should report to the town committee with a tip for planning and zoning committee to report

1228
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:53,140
at the first of each month what went on at that meeting.

1229
01:19:53,140 --> 01:19:59,660
Because as much as I like going to planning the zoning to Debbie's point like it kind of feels kind of awkward like

1230
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:04,140
I don't want to put too much weight on things because you know, I'm an official

1231
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:06,940
We're not supposed to be there

1232
01:20:07,660 --> 01:20:08,160
but

1233
01:20:08,820 --> 01:20:10,900
What you need to know is going on

1234
01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:18,900
Otherwise, don't be reporting back is so that when let Lindsay is here when things like this as far as zoning comes up if it's

1235
01:20:18,900 --> 01:20:24,260
piecemeal, she can say, like, hey, that's not what you're supposed to do.

1236
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:25,240
This needs to go back.

1237
01:20:25,460 --> 01:20:27,440
But our planning and zoning never built that.

1238
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:29,760
And that's how we get in these tangleways here.

1239
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,960
Because it's not a requirement of them to come back and tell us anything.

1240
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,020
It just needs to be steeped.

1241
01:20:35,020 --> 01:20:36,460
I don't know how this all happened.

1242
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:41,180
But when Steve Bollinger was on council, he was also the chairman of planning and zoning.

1243
01:20:41,480 --> 01:20:44,840
And so you had a built-in report.

1244
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,920
It was our liaison.

1245
01:20:46,920 --> 01:21:05,080
So what we had that we had Edwin there was a liaison so he went to planning and zoning and came back and reported what had happened to planning and zoning as opposed to having somebody from planning and zoning but I like the planning and zoning coming to the meeting and you know because I think that's a conflict

1246
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:12,100
and for us to be sitting there and things come and they feel like well Mary Gelsal was there.

1247
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:17,280
This person was, no, it shouldn't be that because that's why we designated them to do their job.

1248
01:21:17,500 --> 01:21:20,760
Plan and zoning can come and present you'll have a comment on it.

1249
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:21,260
Yes, that's great.

1250
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:22,500
Just get the knowledge.

1251
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:22,980
Exactly.

1252
01:21:23,420 --> 01:21:24,500
We're just going to update it.

1253
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:24,780
Right.

1254
01:21:26,300 --> 01:21:26,560
Okay.

1255
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:32,980
Next is resolution, which the paper says is a little bit more than that, for a second, because

1256
01:21:32,980 --> 01:21:34,580
we skipped over the water meter discussion.

1257
01:21:34,740 --> 01:21:35,140
Oh, sorry.

1258
01:21:35,740 --> 01:21:38,720
And I've got to go ahead because we definitely need to have a, sorry.

1259
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:45,640
So I read Lindsay's email and I did respond back and I included our body on that because

1260
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:51,220
I had some questions and while I just want to make sure that I put it on the record to

1261
01:21:51,220 --> 01:21:56,080
say not just as a council person but as a resident here in Fettlesburg who had a

1262
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,640
broken whose meter was broken or malfunctioned or whatever it was I do not feel like it should

1263
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:08,580
be placed on residents to prove that their water meters are faulty and I feel like

1264
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:10,140
since I've been here over the three years,

1265
01:22:10,140 --> 01:22:12,020
we've heard enough people coming here

1266
01:22:12,020 --> 01:22:14,020
and complain about their water meters,

1267
01:22:14,260 --> 01:22:15,880
their water bills, they'll not be in there,

1268
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,320
people not even living in the house

1269
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,140
and having high water bills to say,

1270
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,760
hey, we can do a sample of water meters.

1271
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,200
If not, we don't have to do all the water meters,

1272
01:22:26,380 --> 01:22:29,500
but we can do a sample survey of some water meters,

1273
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,820
just pool water meters, and test them to see if they're faulty.

1274
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:36,400
Because at the end of the day, we have a responsibility.

1275
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:41,760
We can't just say, oh, we don't care because you're complaining, or less compile five million.

1276
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,400
Let's get so many complaints before we act upon it.

1277
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:49,800
And we know that people have been complaining over the years about this.

1278
01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:54,160
This isn't just something new that came because Leslie's the town manager.

1279
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,460
This is something that has been going on since I've been here.

1280
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,940
And I think we owe it to the people of Fatal Ferg.

1281
01:23:00,940 --> 01:23:05,680
We think there were bills to say, hey, this is what we're going to look into this and investigate this.

1282
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:17,760
So I I am giving push back to what Lindsay said because I don't feel like we should be a complacent council where we just sit back and wait until something happens. I think we should be proactive versus reactive.

1283
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:31,140
But I agree. Oh, yeah, I would agree with that. And I do think Lindsay's suggestion was that if the the meters that have been reported as faulty that we start by investigating those is what she says in her.

1284
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:33,800
Right, but that was a thing. I don't think that we've ever started.

1285
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,980
I mean, even a list of those, because if you think about the people who's came in here before

1286
01:23:37,980 --> 01:23:42,980
and lent them, before Leslie got here before Maggie was in position, they weren't keeping

1287
01:23:42,980 --> 01:23:44,120
track of who those are.

1288
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:45,020
No, they're talking Nello.

1289
01:23:45,500 --> 01:23:45,780
They are.

1290
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:46,020
Yeah.

1291
01:23:46,340 --> 01:23:46,740
Yeah.

1292
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,260
No, agree.

1293
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,840
I think your question should refer to me.

1294
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:53,340
I feel like it's not fair to have the company who made the meter, test the meter.

1295
01:23:53,980 --> 01:23:54,100
No.

1296
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:54,780
That's not fair.

1297
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:56,100
I would not have that.

1298
01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:59,360
I contacted the application base.

1299
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:02,880
It's an application.

1300
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:03,780
I know who you talked about.

1301
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:08,740
technical services that were listed did not go there out of state they're actually a

1302
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:13,160
Tennessee I believe it's where their main offices but they were the ones that did the

1303
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:19,680
Kentucky testing for the place in Kentucky for any set needs that were all four different

1304
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,500
places and problems with their begin meters badger meters now I do they were all before

1305
01:24:24,500 --> 01:24:32,320
23 and there was a class actual lawsuit but it just closed but they were from 23 to 25 but

1306
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,900
there was a class action lawsuit against a revolting unit.

1307
01:24:35,060 --> 01:24:38,540
Do you guys have a list of people that have called and said,

1308
01:24:38,580 --> 01:24:42,120
hey, my water's not right and kind of keeping a compilation

1309
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:42,860
of that, so they're good.

1310
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,280
I'm sure we picked a badge one because they've made adjustments.

1311
01:24:45,460 --> 01:24:46,600
All I got to do is pull a adjustment.

1312
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,800
And I think that that's more work with you

1313
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,900
because I know how much you like to do the trash can on it.

1314
01:24:52,740 --> 01:24:57,140
But I think that what you could do is you set a timeline

1315
01:24:57,140 --> 01:24:59,360
of saying, all right, you know what, if you have an issue

1316
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,380
and you need us to look into it, you throw it on,

1317
01:25:01,380 --> 01:25:06,580
Just do like the trash can audit put on the trash can and say, you know, you have a window

1318
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:14,580
To make a complaint we get out as much as we can and then we compile a list and then we can chip away at it

1319
01:25:14,580 --> 01:25:20,100
You know whether you do it randomly or one through five. All right. Well, let's go to check and see is one through five correct

1320
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:25,980
At least that way we have a running list so that way when we start getting into it we at least have gotten that ahead

1321
01:25:25,980 --> 01:25:29,180
Is there anybody that comes in and pays the war bill that doesn't complain?

1322
01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:36,680
So, me the last time they pulled the lift and there was people that had like two thousand gallons, right?

1323
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:59,600
At that point, they reached out to the person and they said, look, were you feeling a pool, were you doing something if they were like, yes, then okay, they were like, no, then the last, when the last building was like, well, what they did was they put a note on there, if it looked really high, and, you know, please contact us, we show it, and a lot of those people contact us back, right? You didn't get one.

1324
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:03,380
I was going to say, I didn't get to work on it when you went to my duty, it was, it was,

1325
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:09,800
but they put their foot there, you know, air, air, beacon is showing a leak this much

1326
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:13,760
a minute or whatever, please contact us, we need to adjust your bill, something's wrong,

1327
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:18,100
and they got, they call back and most of them call back and get it out of the way.

1328
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,840
Yours was just not done yet because you got it, we put a new meter in yours to see if that

1329
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,120
was the issue of it, the meter with the issue.

1330
01:26:25,500 --> 01:26:25,580
Yeah.

1331
01:26:31,860 --> 01:26:32,420
Okay,

1332
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:54,500
so I think we need to make I want to make a motion that we start a independent sample of water meters and start sampling to see if they're defective. That's my motion on the floor.

1333
01:26:54,500 --> 01:27:01,400
If you want to just pick random ones, do you want to go from a list where people have changed?

1334
01:27:02,420 --> 01:27:05,600
If she's pulled them, if they have a actual list of people.

1335
01:27:06,380 --> 01:27:11,160
I don't think mine is faulty, so we'll be always to money to come test mine.

1336
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,600
You should test the ones that people have concerns of.

1337
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:21,020
If she has a list, start it first.

1338
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:27,080
And then well, I want to make the motion so that it's on the floor and that we're voting to do this rather

1339
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,260
They have the list or not. However they move if they need to compile a list

1340
01:27:31,260 --> 01:27:38,300
I wanted to be known that this is an issue. We are aware and that there has been from council

1341
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:42,580
Directives that this is to be done like that. Okay. We're still talking about it in council

1342
01:27:42,580 --> 01:27:44,520
It's never made a motion or said

1343
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:51,140
And I actually, when I contacted you of five technical services, I used your exact meter

1344
01:27:51,140 --> 01:27:56,780
information and told them that was the one the exact address, the exact meter, the serial

1345
01:27:56,780 --> 01:28:01,380
number, everything will put your new meter because I want them to test that one and I want

1346
01:28:01,380 --> 01:28:06,960
them to test the one that was at your house prior to to see if there's something wrong with

1347
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:07,720
both of them.

1348
01:28:08,020 --> 01:28:11,380
If it's just one, what seems to be the issue?

1349
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:17,880
So, am I supposed to be able to see the water usage with the one that you all put in there because I can't, I can't see.

1350
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:19,700
Oh, it won't let me.

1351
01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:22,080
Because I was just scared of it.

1352
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:24,460
How much water I use since I've been out of town.

1353
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:26,080
I just got back today, this afternoon.

1354
01:28:26,260 --> 01:28:27,080
I just heard it.

1355
01:28:27,260 --> 01:28:29,420
You can't, it's something with the beacon.

1356
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,000
And it's looking on that line.

1357
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:38,520
No, you have to, you can only upload so many, and you can't just do one at a time.

1358
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:43,040
So when we put Jermeter in we can't just upload that's why I give you an average.

1359
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:50,080
Did you see what I explained? No, we can't do the other thing because we cannot upgrade one of the time.

1360
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:50,920
Let's do that.

1361
01:28:52,020 --> 01:28:57,600
And so I'm trying to tell you some details about how I'm looking for the actual contract.

1362
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,980
And all I've gone through everybody's mail.

1363
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,780
Lindsay would have a Sherry email crispy email.

1364
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:09,840
that was under Larry, Lindsey would have the original contract.

1365
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:14,540
So I've pulled emails where they've gone back and forth asking why we can't do this,

1366
01:29:14,700 --> 01:29:19,880
how this would be fixed, how we would do this, so that I can get with Lindsey,

1367
01:29:20,020 --> 01:29:23,980
but she could not. I was able to talk to her this morning, but then I got the email this afternoon.

1368
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,780
Is part of this because we have that old CUSI system?

1369
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,000
No. This is the whole weekend registry system.

1370
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:37,280
Okay, the actual water meter system, we've already looked at upgrading the CSI, so I hope

1371
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:42,180
by the beginning of September, we will have a plan and effect to bring to the meeting.

1372
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:53,200
They actually have a new upgraded system that goes too quick for the CSI, because the one

1373
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:54,640
we have will be obsolete soon.

1374
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,500
Okay, so the motion on the floor is to start sampling testing of

1375
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,080
We need, or we know, have had complaints against them. Right. Do you have like an average of what each residential house is? Like a whole bar. So they're going to say if it's compare anyone that's got like an anomaly, you know? All right. So there's an emotional on the floor. Oh, okay. So Councilman Ferguson. Councilman James. Councilman. Councilman. Councilman. Councilman heaven mayor. Okay. So you guys can start that. You definitely have to look to bring up people that you've already.

1376
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:34,860
It's made adjustments with people complaining that they're bellies high, so there's a good place to start.

1377
01:30:36,340 --> 01:30:42,120
Okay, next is the resolution, which would be a resolution on an ordinance for the employee manual.

1378
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:48,360
Resolution 2026-04 for the upgraded, upgraded employee manual.

1379
01:30:49,740 --> 01:30:53,440
This was gone through by legit.

1380
01:30:54,660 --> 01:30:59,080
I've minimized obviously from the double-spacing to single-spacing so it's not a 50-page

1381
01:30:59,080 --> 01:30:59,900
main no anymore.

1382
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:10,420
So 38, I did send it out to you guys on Friday, actually, you may not have had to read it.

1383
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:22,580
I was looking for a need to see if she had it, so I'm going to give her mine and ask the

1384
01:31:22,580 --> 01:31:28,500
The only reason I was trying to push it through was because we were having harassed

1385
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:35,560
and taken with legit on August 28th and he plans on going over the new manual.

1386
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:41,960
The gentleman who is the director is the one who actually went through this and redlined

1387
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:42,440
everything.

1388
01:31:43,220 --> 01:31:47,080
I can send you the original copy and the redline copies so you can see the differences.

1389
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:55,080
There was not a lot, harassment, drug use, alcohol use, recreational drug use, were the

1390
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:59,480
main thing and like spelling errors and clerical errors.

1391
01:31:59,820 --> 01:32:01,240
Do we have anything for cannabis?

1392
01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:03,520
That was added into...

1393
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:07,860
I did look at it, but there was a lot to it.

1394
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:09,220
Yeah, there was a lot to it.

1395
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,380
Where did the drug and alcohol use?

1396
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:15,340
because this is the one that I started on.

1397
01:32:15,620 --> 01:32:16,860
And she sent them, I think so.

1398
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,560
You sent the one that Brandi had gone through and reworked.

1399
01:32:19,660 --> 01:32:20,880
The one that was on the drive rate.

1400
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,800
Yeah, I sent the one that was from 20,

1401
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:27,540
whatever one that was that abandoned from 20.

1402
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,700
That was the one that you would take with.

1403
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,760
Yeah, Brandi, it's all out on the work, there was.

1404
01:32:32,380 --> 01:32:36,860
Yeah, whatever the last amended one

1405
01:32:36,860 --> 01:32:39,320
that they said wasn't adopted or was adopted.

1406
01:32:39,780 --> 01:32:41,200
I just want to ask a question.

1407
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:49,400
I don't know when I was doing that, I think we've changed the vacation belief stuff some.

1408
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:53,040
I was just wondering was that updated to reflect the new lead?

1409
01:32:53,740 --> 01:32:58,960
Remember when we published for the leave payout, it was just the payout but not the amount of time

1410
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,940
and the role over time, like how role over that was supposed to be in there as well,

1411
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,000
but we hadn't, we had stopped working on this around that time.

1412
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:15,460
He was definitely in here that they cannot carry vacation time from one fiscal year to another fiscal year without advance approval.

1413
01:33:19,050 --> 01:33:24,830
Three days or more vacation has to be requested in advance at least to be.

1414
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:32,210
That's okay.

1415
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:34,470
I just want to make sure it's made it in there.

1416
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:38,270
I would still like to revisit how police get their vacation.

1417
01:33:45,290 --> 01:33:48,270
And that's what that was the term.

1418
01:33:48,430 --> 01:33:50,290
And I was big and I thought that was the address.

1419
01:33:50,890 --> 01:33:51,650
I like it.

1420
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:52,050
I like the brewing.

1421
01:33:52,350 --> 01:33:52,510
Yeah.

1422
01:33:52,690 --> 01:33:53,750
I checked personally.

1423
01:33:54,130 --> 01:33:55,750
I mean, I don't have a dog in that face.

1424
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:57,310
I'm talking about that.

1425
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:59,930
We talked about that, but we hadn't actually addressed that.

1426
01:34:00,070 --> 01:34:01,490
But we've had the same thing.

1427
01:34:01,850 --> 01:34:03,770
I mean, about brewing it.

1428
01:34:03,850 --> 01:34:04,010
Yeah.

1429
01:34:04,010 --> 01:34:07,310
I have a new employee who called today and wants to know how much vacation time he had.

1430
01:34:07,310 --> 01:34:11,070
Because we caught out sick today and I'm like, you don't have any years still in this

1431
01:34:11,070 --> 01:34:11,570
preparation.

1432
01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:12,090
Yeah.

1433
01:34:12,570 --> 01:34:16,870
So I mean, I think like at least where I work, you start accruing when your day starts.

1434
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:20,610
But like when you get a paycheck, you get, I think four hours, three at whatever, we're

1435
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:21,270
going to work it out.

1436
01:34:21,490 --> 01:34:30,070
I think that they get, and I think it, um, they get three days, six after six months, three

1437
01:34:30,070 --> 01:34:35,350
year, which I guess that would be the

1438
01:34:38,940 --> 01:34:41,700
80 days.

1439
01:34:43,780 --> 01:34:49,180
So if they were to eight hours a day, you're

1440
01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:53,160
approved for it every year. But

1441
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:57,740
I can come up with it for that part.

1442
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:07,900
I mean, we're not

1443
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,520
or just to revisit it in the next meter or two.

1444
01:35:12,860 --> 01:35:13,920
I was going to say, do we,

1445
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:17,080
or should we do it in the next school year?

1446
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:20,220
Because you have to get people enough time to plan vacation.

1447
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:22,580
So you can't all of a sudden be like,

1448
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:25,160
oh no, that's the case you thought you had.

1449
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:25,600
Correct.

1450
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:27,240
Because we've now gone from a curl.

1451
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:29,140
So I think when we had discussed it before,

1452
01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:32,360
it was like, hey, this is coming next year plan accordingly.

1453
01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:35,780
And maybe there might be a little bit of rollover or carry

1454
01:35:35,780 --> 01:35:41,580
you're something just whatever, but you can't just be like oh by the way now July one you're

1455
01:35:41,580 --> 01:35:46,820
we're switching to a plural and you have to be vacation and August now planned. Because I mean

1456
01:35:46,820 --> 01:35:52,520
it's August now so if we start in next July that gives everybody a whole year-on-one. Right to

1457
01:35:53,660 --> 01:36:04,360
And we give them, they get three sick days as of six months, so I would honestly stick

1458
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:09,800
with the three sick days after six months, but a per vacation, I think we should do.

1459
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:17,760
Now with mine, we do front load sick, but if you were to quit or to use more than your front

1460
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:18,920
load, do you have to pay it back?

1461
01:36:19,180 --> 01:36:21,420
Like they would just take it out of your next paycheck, right?

1462
01:36:21,420 --> 01:36:28,520
I mean, things happen right now, this person has to take a day without pay if they're actually sick on when I'm getting people sick, right?

1463
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:34,280
So maybe that's also just part of the discussion of the approval and stuff and stuff.

1464
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:36,060
So,

1465
01:36:42,140 --> 01:36:50,340
all right, do you guys have any more thoughts or are you okay with a briefing this one?

1466
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,800
And then if there, I mean, obviously we need to work on the issue.

1467
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:59,200
The harassment was the main thing that I wanted them to, and it was because that's not

1468
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:00,180
Peter's, it's coming.

1469
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:01,360
Yes, ma'am.

1470
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:02,280
He's good.

1471
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,920
The only thing, did Lindsay look at this by chance?

1472
01:37:09,060 --> 01:37:13,340
I think she was included in this email, but I was just more doing it because I thought

1473
01:37:13,340 --> 01:37:19,140
that, and I know I was working on this and I don't see it in here and I could have missed

1474
01:37:19,140 --> 01:37:24,000
because I stopped working on it, but I don't see anything in here and I thought you have

1475
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,700
to have something in your employee manual about El film LA.

1476
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:28,980
And it's not in here.

1477
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,940
You would think legit with ketchup, honestly.

1478
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:34,700
I would have thought that, but there's something under,

1479
01:37:34,860 --> 01:37:36,880
there's something with a certain number of employees

1480
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:40,500
because the state had mandated something

1481
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:43,580
of their LA and their employee's.

1482
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:47,680
Like, if that's family to pay out, but they still

1483
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,360
are entitled to El film LA as well.

1484
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:54,320
if they don't follow up with a family paid act,

1485
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:57,620
but I don't see out there lay and hear anything in here

1486
01:37:57,620 --> 01:37:59,940
about, you know, what they would do,

1487
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,080
how they would go about getting out there in LA,

1488
01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:05,840
or applying it for it.

1489
01:38:06,100 --> 01:38:08,540
Onus and family leave, but I don't know,

1490
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:11,000
I will find out about that in LA.

1491
01:38:11,820 --> 01:38:12,020
Okay.

1492
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:15,660
Well, that would also be part of the lease policy,

1493
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:18,800
so you could adopt it knowing that the changes

1494
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,500
are coming into the lease section, but then they can at least cover it and all the employees.

1495
01:38:23,660 --> 01:38:26,380
I would just find that they have it, but it actually gets changed.

1496
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:27,460
Right.

1497
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:28,940
Just saying that it's going to come.

1498
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:29,660
No, we got this.

1499
01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:30,600
We need to come out.

1500
01:38:30,780 --> 01:38:32,000
No, no, no, no, no.

1501
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:32,300
No, no, no, no.

1502
01:38:33,100 --> 01:38:33,820
No, no, no.

1503
01:38:33,820 --> 01:38:34,940
We've got this virus.

1504
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:35,560
So, yeah.

1505
01:38:35,940 --> 01:38:37,040
We've got this virus.

1506
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:37,440
We've got this virus.

1507
01:38:40,460 --> 01:38:41,620
I see we did the one.

1508
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:42,480
I know we did.

1509
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:45,820
I see this when the military is in here, but I don't know why.

1510
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,660
I think that when we go to the office, we're going to explain the business.

1511
01:38:56,420 --> 01:39:08,560
I was saying the military was in there and I think if we go back to Ken's email because I think he is too and I think that was one of the things that he had pinned up was the FM LA was missing too.

1512
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:14,360
But it's breaking it down the way I noticed that it's broken down 20 million different pieces in here.

1513
01:39:15,340 --> 01:39:17,640
It's like family of maternity leave.

1514
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:18,980
Yeah, I know that's in the family.

1515
01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:20,740
Emergency closing of the relief.

1516
01:39:21,660 --> 01:39:22,480
Granted leave.

1517
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:23,340
That's it.

1518
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:27,580
It like all kind of go into one thing for FMLA because I know.

1519
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:27,900
I don't think.

1520
01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:29,320
And you can break it out.

1521
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:31,600
Maybe I stop underneath FMLA.

1522
01:39:32,020 --> 01:39:36,740
So mine, mine at work, I have FMLA but I have to use my leave.

1523
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:42,300
I am eligible for FMLA, I turn in the paperwork and then I have to use my leave when I've exhausted

1524
01:39:42,300 --> 01:39:45,840
that all of my leave options, then I have so long

1525
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,700
for them to not fill my position,

1526
01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:51,000
but I just don't get paid that I move to unpaid leave.

1527
01:39:51,580 --> 01:39:53,780
But that's all documented, that would need to be,

1528
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,120
that's what it would be documented.

1529
01:39:55,380 --> 01:40:00,220
But under illness and family need, that that doesn't sound

1530
01:40:00,220 --> 01:40:01,660
like I've done that way to me.

1531
01:40:01,780 --> 01:40:03,900
That sounds like we're giving them like five days,

1532
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,280
like, well you still have to rely for at the moment.

1533
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,080
You do, and it has to get the doctor to find the forms

1534
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:09,480
in the event.

1535
01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:11,640
that, which we probably don't have this once?

1536
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:13,960
I'm using this as a good run for you.

1537
01:40:14,020 --> 01:40:14,820
Yeah, no, it's a same.

1538
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:16,660
We wouldn't need that soft part of that whole thing.

1539
01:40:16,660 --> 01:40:17,680
I think we'd have to.

1540
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:21,060
Just looking over this, for instance,

1541
01:40:21,260 --> 01:40:22,760
it's time for full-time employees.

1542
01:40:24,340 --> 01:40:28,480
I always was on such a full-time employee with 36 hours.

1543
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,020
But yeah, every job, and then I'm looking it up.

1544
01:40:32,340 --> 01:40:35,340
And the Department of Labor is different from IRS,

1545
01:40:35,340 --> 01:40:43,740
Department of, you know, BLS, just want to make sure that we're not pigeonholing

1546
01:40:43,740 --> 01:40:50,360
ourselves in saying one thing when actually, you know, it's not not gonna say

1547
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:53,680
that, you know, four hours to make a break it, but we also don't want somebody

1548
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:59,440
come and say, hey, I'm actually a four-time employee because I work 36 hours over a

1549
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:04,040
certain period of time and that's be violating of it because, you know, we have

1550
01:41:07,480 --> 01:41:13,180
And I can tell you, I've run that problem before, where I've had a part-time person bumping up against full-time hours.

1551
01:41:14,140 --> 01:41:27,240
And if you run a certain amount of hours for over a certain period of time, they have a legal stand on saying, hey, I'm basically working full-time hours, but not getting any benefits from it.

1552
01:41:27,660 --> 01:41:32,240
I just want to make sure that somebody has looked over this, that is warm.

1553
01:41:33,980 --> 01:41:40,180
Well, legit, we've got it, there are insurance carriers, so I mean, it's a seed for a general

1554
01:41:40,180 --> 01:41:40,760
industry.

1555
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:46,320
It's 40 hours, 35 hours is for the U.S. per-year-old labor statistics to measure full time.

1556
01:41:47,100 --> 01:41:50,660
30 hours is the minimum threshold under federal health care law.

1557
01:41:51,180 --> 01:41:51,420
Yeah.

1558
01:41:53,860 --> 01:42:00,820
That was an example of just looking at making sure that you had somebody book over things

1559
01:42:00,820 --> 01:42:09,160
You legit went through it and you had her about a month before I got it back and you

1560
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:18,640
know that in the harassment area I did change a lot, not a lot, but it was changed to be

1561
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:19,640
the...

1562
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:25,270
let's see...

1563
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:26,130
shall I get off the phone.

1564
01:42:28,090 --> 01:42:28,610
WI of the phone.

1565
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:29,770
That's on page 31.

1566
01:42:33,210 --> 01:42:34,210
You got 30?

1567
01:42:34,750 --> 01:42:34,810
38?

1568
01:42:34,810 --> 01:42:35,030
30?

1569
01:42:36,510 --> 01:42:37,110
26.

1570
01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:39,250
Six-raise-color ethics.

1571
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:41,920
Whatever it is.

1572
01:42:42,100 --> 01:42:42,240
Eight.

1573
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:43,060
Yes.

1574
01:42:43,660 --> 01:42:50,100
Disability, pregnancy, religion, genetic information, military status, hair, texture, style, or any

1575
01:42:50,100 --> 01:42:52,400
other legally protected characteristic.

1576
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,780
parents are resting will not be tolerated.

1577
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,960
That's for every harassment.

1578
01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:00,960
So we went from like,

1579
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:04,540
for your four items to all long,

1580
01:43:04,540 --> 01:43:05,740
from that probably?

1581
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:06,760
Yes.

1582
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:14,440
Okay.

1583
01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:18,700
If you're, go with this, we can introduce it.

1584
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:21,680
We can adopt it, go to adopt it.

1585
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:24,060
And then knowing that it's still a work of progress

1586
01:43:24,060 --> 01:43:25,160
for the leave portion.

1587
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:33,740
Because then they can use it in their training and we can have all the employees sign off that they went over it and covered it's covered.

1588
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:37,300
So, I have it.

1589
01:43:37,740 --> 01:43:42,040
And ask Lindsey about the piece that you instant to about full time.

1590
01:43:42,340 --> 01:43:42,560
Right.

1591
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:46,920
Full time and whatever FMLA piece we need to might need to stick in there.

1592
01:43:47,100 --> 01:43:47,560
Just a step.

1593
01:43:47,900 --> 01:43:51,460
It's understood that they have to use the leave that they have and they have to apply for it.

1594
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:53,800
Right.

1595
01:43:53,800 --> 01:44:04,100
Okay, so for here with that, then I'll take the motion to adopt resolution 2026-04 resolution to amend and adopt the Town of Fettlesburg employee manual.

1596
01:44:05,380 --> 01:44:09,800
Resolution, I'm sorry, motion to adopt resolution 2026.

1597
01:44:12,020 --> 01:44:12,860
on the bill.

1598
01:44:12,860 --> 01:44:13,760
Is it

1599
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:15,300
0 4-20-26 or

1600
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:16,380
20-26-04?

1601
01:44:16,380 --> 01:44:22,640
20-26-04, a resolution to amend and adopt the talent of

1602
01:44:22,640 --> 01:44:24,120
our expert employee manual.

1603
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:26,780
Councilmember Berbison.

1604
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:28,300
Councilwoman James.

1605
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:29,900
Councilwoman Souff.

1606
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,420
Councilwoman Aaron.

1607
01:44:31,420 --> 01:44:32,500
Mayor Adler.

1608
01:44:34,780 --> 01:44:41,920
Next is the ordinance, the planning and the introduction for the zoning ordinance

1609
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:43,080
prohibiting data centers.

1610
01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:53,400
So everybody receives a copy of one with the ordinance 2026-07 because it is modifying

1611
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:59,900
the districts, the ones that math that we have here, and permitted use.

1612
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,700
This is, it needs to go through planning and zoning. So, the motion would be to send this to the planning and zoning meeting, which is August, what?

1613
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:11,910
Okay.

1614
01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:31,770
So, this would be the motion that we need is to send this to planning and zoning. They would review it, send it back to us for the September 9th meeting to then schedule adoption and public hearing for 15 days.

1615
01:45:31,770 --> 01:45:32,450
after that. Yeah.

1616
01:45:34,590 --> 01:45:38,890
I have a question and Lindsay's not here, but I know without a shadow

1617
01:45:38,890 --> 01:45:46,290
of about 250% when she was sitting here at the last minute meeting, we asked her specifically

1618
01:45:46,290 --> 01:45:51,890
and she wrote a note to the effect that she was going to say that in the definition that

1619
01:45:52,370 --> 01:45:57,970
she's going to include that this is to include technology because the name of the place is

1620
01:45:57,970 --> 01:46:02,650
as a tech center so technically that's a loophole as they can get by and say hey you're a

1621
01:46:02,650 --> 01:46:06,770
tech center not a data center and so she was going to put technology in the definition

1622
01:46:06,770 --> 01:46:07,750
and I don't see that.

1623
01:46:07,790 --> 01:46:13,330
I remember you bringing that up, I don't remember most, oh she said she put this in but I think

1624
01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:19,390
that just using the word technology is way too broad because you're going to eliminate all

1625
01:46:19,390 --> 01:46:22,050
sorts of things that fall under control.

1626
01:46:22,210 --> 01:46:27,950
But if it's same place who's already calling themselves a tech center, I know I don't

1627
01:46:27,950 --> 01:46:30,070
You could see the definition here of a data center.

1628
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:32,090
So you're an established on a facility building,

1629
01:46:32,290 --> 01:46:34,250
a series of groups of buildings that are primarily used

1630
01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:36,850
to house computers and network systems, computer storage,

1631
01:46:37,150 --> 01:46:39,250
equipment servers, and associated infrastructure

1632
01:46:39,250 --> 01:46:40,570
to store managed process.

1633
01:46:41,310 --> 01:46:43,410
And transmit digital data and associated components

1634
01:46:43,410 --> 01:46:45,150
related to a digital data operation.

1635
01:46:45,950 --> 01:46:47,190
But do you think about the other things

1636
01:46:47,190 --> 01:46:48,810
that come you on a campus?

1637
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:50,210
I was out of that definition.

1638
01:46:50,730 --> 01:46:53,370
Well, so that would be allowed to have the data center part.

1639
01:46:53,610 --> 01:46:54,690
It would be allowed to do those stuff.

1640
01:46:54,690 --> 01:46:56,130
It would be allowed to have the building

1641
01:46:56,130 --> 01:46:58,670
And when the tech sector is necessarily bad,

1642
01:46:58,910 --> 01:47:00,330
as long as it's not a data center.

1643
01:47:01,270 --> 01:47:03,310
I mean, that would be the way that this would be,

1644
01:47:03,310 --> 01:47:06,590
that would be your way around that building wouldn't be allowed

1645
01:47:06,590 --> 01:47:08,250
because that building is not a permanent use.

1646
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:09,410
Everything else is.

1647
01:47:11,490 --> 01:47:12,630
But this would not be.

1648
01:47:12,630 --> 01:47:14,910
But when you say technology center, what are you allowing?

1649
01:47:15,950 --> 01:47:17,890
I mean, they may be used, they may not be there.

1650
01:47:18,210 --> 01:47:18,890
Whatever, you know.

1651
01:47:19,550 --> 01:47:22,050
You can put in some sort of cultural term that says,

1652
01:47:22,050 --> 01:47:32,990
you know, a data center and all other names that would describe the, but their tech center

1653
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:37,950
is a room of computers that students can go on to. Right. No, I mean, I mean, yeah, I'm

1654
01:47:37,950 --> 01:47:43,630
definitely not a data center. You know, I mean, it could be like, well, I mean, it could

1655
01:47:43,630 --> 01:47:47,350
be like, is this building a robot? It could be, I don't know. It would be the same. I work

1656
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:51,530
in technology. So it would be the same thing. Like, I'm just going to put it in. It's going

1657
01:47:51,530 --> 01:47:53,730
still be a data center, but I'm going to call it technology.

1658
01:47:54,170 --> 01:48:01,630
But as long as I mean, if it, if what they're building though was what this definition

1659
01:48:01,630 --> 01:48:06,570
of data center, if you could call it a cow, but if this is what it is, you know, I mean

1660
01:48:06,570 --> 01:48:07,430
it doesn't fly.

1661
01:48:10,660 --> 01:48:14,180
I'm just making sure we don't have another situation where we have a business coming

1662
01:48:14,180 --> 01:48:20,040
to town and say one thing like hey, we're going to grow indoor marijuana and there's not

1663
01:48:20,040 --> 01:48:22,580
going to be any scent and we still know we.

1664
01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:29,980
Well, that was because there was no extra ordinance pertaining to said specific, well, I wasn't

1665
01:48:29,980 --> 01:48:30,200
saying.

1666
01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:35,240
No, no, no, I know, but I'm saying that that's why right because there wasn't, that's

1667
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:35,860
what you were told.

1668
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:41,540
But there was an additional close those locals when we say band, we mean band, we mean we

1669
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:42,240
don't want to hear about that.

1670
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:43,540
Oh, no, so that's what you learned.

1671
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:44,120
Right.

1672
01:48:44,440 --> 01:48:45,260
We don't want it.

1673
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:45,520
Right.

1674
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:50,660
So what you learned from that is that if you were, if you were to, let's say somebody

1675
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:55,340
also want to grow here because it's a permitting, permitting use because it was medical right so

1676
01:48:55,340 --> 01:49:01,300
medical manufacturing is a permuted use in our industrial. So you would say there would be

1677
01:49:01,300 --> 01:49:07,840
the caveat if you are growing like cannabis or mushrooms or whatever right there cannot be any smell

1678
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:14,200
right because you've now regulated that we have a pollution ordinance that we already have a pollution

1679
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:19,600
is pretty I mean pretty loose like the sound ordinance also was kind of subjective right so you didn't

1680
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,340
We didn't put them in a box, we didn't know we had to put them in a box.

1681
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:31,760
I also understand, friends, point here to the other end that they are using basically our old comp and saying,

1682
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:38,620
well, it says data center, and they're using a language to get in, even though the data center probably doesn't use it at all.

1683
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:45,560
They're saying the ordinance says technology, so technology, you know, this technology,

1684
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:50,400
that you think about, in fact, when that ordinance was passed, there was not data

1685
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,560
sentence back in the mind. So let's be realistic. No, but that does trust us to be hard

1686
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:58,620
to argue in front of a judge. No, but they could, I mean, at least with the data

1687
01:49:58,620 --> 01:50:02,340
center, the judge could say. I think that is your bill. What I'm saying is they call them,

1688
01:50:02,340 --> 01:50:06,140
they call themselves, what, what's the name, feelcress technology? Feelcress technology?

1689
01:50:06,140 --> 01:50:11,060
Feelcress technology. Feelcress technology. Feelcress technology. So what I'm saying is,

1690
01:50:11,340 --> 01:50:15,460
whatever they're going to bring in there, I don't want them to be saying we're

1691
01:50:15,460 --> 01:50:20,600
a technology center under the guys of the ordinance is saying that technology is allowed

1692
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,220
there, whatever it is that they bring there.

1693
01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:26,960
Because I feel like once you allow it, it's almost green rather than that's just like

1694
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:32,240
you allowed the marijuana, like the marijuana plant is here, we were told one thing and it's

1695
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:33,000
something different.

1696
01:50:33,500 --> 01:50:37,940
So I just want to make sure that when we say we are banning this, it's not a poll within

1697
01:50:37,940 --> 01:50:40,860
this ordinance, that's allowed them to get through it.

1698
01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:46,700
That's a responsibility, the people said they don't want this here.

1699
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:51,420
We're saying we're banning it, we voted to ban it, and we should make sure that it's airtight

1700
01:50:51,420 --> 01:50:56,840
that it can't be here. I hear what you're saying, but you voted for a data center, not for technology.

1701
01:50:57,300 --> 01:50:59,960
I don't think you can move. But they can't leave out all the time.

1702
01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:05,180
There are different things. I work in technology. I work in a data center.

1703
01:51:05,180 --> 01:51:08,000
They find technology. What are technology centers?

1704
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:14,580
Right now it's the service desk that I worked at when 15,000 teachers are gone back

1705
01:51:14,580 --> 01:51:14,860
to work.

1706
01:51:21,890 --> 01:51:25,210
And Abby, you can text Lindsey because she says she's available by text because she's

1707
01:51:25,210 --> 01:51:26,010
doing something whatever.

1708
01:51:26,970 --> 01:51:32,230
A dedicated facility, an organization that, now this is an AI overview, a dedicated facility

1709
01:51:32,230 --> 01:51:36,470
organization that promotes innovation research and practical application of new tools.

1710
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:43,070
It acts as a bridge between scientific research and industry needs, helping business develop

1711
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:48,910
and use advanced technology, applied research, research, sharing, digital training, business support,

1712
01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:54,270
common types are industrial hubs, community labs, and corporate centers.

1713
01:51:55,370 --> 01:51:55,390
No.

1714
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:56,890
Don't text me.

1715
01:51:57,010 --> 01:51:58,050
Or says, ask anything.

1716
01:51:58,330 --> 01:51:59,550
Does this include data centers?

1717
01:52:00,690 --> 01:52:01,830
It will, it probably can.

1718
01:52:02,650 --> 01:52:03,170
Exactly.

1719
01:52:03,670 --> 01:52:04,610
And that's what I'm saying.

1720
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:05,750
That's a good whole word.

1721
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:08,450
If you're willing, you're willing, you would not have a lot of data centers.

1722
01:52:08,490 --> 01:52:12,550
You're excluding a data center.

1723
01:52:12,550 --> 01:52:12,790
part.

1724
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:25,680
My thing is Lindsay agreed to it and she said that was that was a way to put it in there

1725
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:30,580
is to include that and it's not in there. So I don't know if she forgot about it or she changed her mind

1726
01:52:30,580 --> 01:52:34,960
but I would want to know why. She says the Technology Center can include a data center but it depends

1727
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:40,020
entirely on the type of purpose of the facility. When it includes a data center it's a corporate

1728
01:52:40,020 --> 01:52:46,960
tech center, research university hubs can have now I have it we have a in my building at River Road

1729
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:49,600
We actually have a small data center.

1730
01:52:49,620 --> 01:52:53,420
We call the fish bowl that's got 30 servers in it, right?

1731
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,020
And networking and routing equipment.

1732
01:52:55,580 --> 01:52:57,440
That would be considered, we call it the data center

1733
01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,700
because it's part of our infrastructure.

1734
01:53:00,240 --> 01:53:01,560
We have two in the rental county.

1735
01:53:01,940 --> 01:53:02,960
In my, for my work.

1736
01:53:03,860 --> 01:53:05,920
Well, my vote for no means no.

1737
01:53:06,220 --> 01:53:08,120
No matter how they go out there, whatever they're playing,

1738
01:53:08,340 --> 01:53:09,740
whatever they're playing, I say no.

1739
01:53:10,220 --> 01:53:11,900
Okay, so you don't want to send this to play.

1740
01:53:11,900 --> 01:53:13,240
If I want to know what, I want to,

1741
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,440
if y'all can call Lindsay or TechSurf

1742
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:20,340
to ask her why it's not in there why she said yes it's going to be in there and now it's not

1743
01:53:20,340 --> 01:53:24,800
in there I would like to know what was her legal reasoning for not including that in there when she said

1744
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,020
it should be when she said right there and said it.

1745
01:53:32,770 --> 01:53:35,150
Yeah as broad as you need to be you need to

1746
01:53:35,150 --> 01:53:36,590
almost overly broad.

1747
01:53:40,940 --> 01:53:44,000
Yeah I don't find it suspect that like all these people keep sending us stuff

1748
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:48,740
about data center trying to get us to bring a data center to celebrate that don't seem weird to you

1749
01:53:48,740 --> 01:53:53,500
Well, there's all the right to stuff too that just up in this, but I'm just saying, but why I thought it was work

1750
01:53:53,500 --> 01:53:57,780
Why not didn't why not somewhere else? Why not enough was why not in their neighborhood?

1751
01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:06,220
But I'm just saying why not in their neighborhoods?

1752
01:54:09,100 --> 01:54:09,460
No

1753
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:12,920
We already know what your answer is

1754
01:54:21,100 --> 01:54:23,840
We've got a call to shoot the answer.

1755
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,380
Well, she sends a call with what?

1756
01:54:25,740 --> 01:54:26,340
Oh, yes, she did.

1757
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:27,360
She did.

1758
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:27,580
She did.

1759
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:28,820
Oh, my God.

1760
01:54:31,540 --> 01:54:31,980
Okay.

1761
01:54:32,140 --> 01:54:34,000
Well, we can do well.

1762
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:35,380
We have public comment.

1763
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,460
So if you're here for public comment, if you signed up.

1764
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:40,820
I didn't sign up, but I got it now.

1765
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:41,820
I'm getting it.

1766
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:42,760
I'm getting it.

1767
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:43,140
I'm getting it.

1768
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:44,280
I'm getting it.

1769
01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:45,080
I'm getting it.

1770
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:46,380
Miss Web is first.

1771
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:47,240
I don't know.

1772
01:54:50,580 --> 01:54:53,340
And you're not going to like what I have to say.

1773
01:54:53,920 --> 01:55:01,060
Now that we put the moratorium on data centers, we know nothing about data centers personally.

1774
01:55:01,580 --> 01:55:06,880
We've never been in one, we've never seen one, we've never researched one, except to

1775
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:07,680
do Google.

1776
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:12,500
I suggest that we go to actually research data centers.

1777
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,880
They are going to come whether we want them or not.

1778
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:25,520
We can be on the ground floor and get benefits and put down the limits, or we can be forced

1779
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,440
by the government to do it.

1780
01:55:27,540 --> 01:55:32,680
It's coming, no matter what you say, every day on the news I hear it.

1781
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:39,520
And they're saying, a lot of what they're saying is on several channels, it depends on what

1782
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:42,820
you listen to, that there's a lot of fear mongering.

1783
01:55:42,820 --> 01:55:50,300
there's people from China who are starting it sounds crazy, but they're having

1784
01:55:50,300 --> 01:55:55,440
these groups that are marching around with their signs. No data centers. They don't

1785
01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:01,260
want us to have data centers. They're going to have them. AI is here. We're not going

1786
01:56:01,260 --> 01:56:06,860
to change it. I'm not saying yes, I want a data center. I think we need to

1787
01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:12,540
research it. We need to actually look into what we're talking about. This could be a

1788
01:56:12,540 --> 01:56:18,640
boon for our community and we could miss it or we can look at it and say

1789
01:56:18,640 --> 01:56:22,620
are you crazy this is the dumbest thing I've ever heard but we don't know

1790
01:56:22,620 --> 01:56:28,560
any I don't know anything I've read and read and looked and I can't I can't come

1791
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:33,820
up with a yes I like it or no I don't because I don't really know can I say

1792
01:56:33,820 --> 01:56:38,720
something yes I literally came here from the airport today and just where I was

1793
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:38,900
What is that?

1794
01:56:39,420 --> 01:56:43,620
I went to Eric Barclay, so word, data centers are popping up here there and there.

1795
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:43,980
Uh-huh.

1796
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:45,700
And that's what Brady did.

1797
01:56:45,980 --> 01:56:47,120
I told two of them.

1798
01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:47,660
Did you?

1799
01:56:47,740 --> 01:56:48,280
I did.

1800
01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:49,040
Good for you.

1801
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:51,500
Is that what I wanted to do?

1802
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:54,240
And of the two that I toured, one was very noisy.

1803
01:56:54,700 --> 01:56:57,360
And the neighbors around there did not like it at all.

1804
01:56:58,180 --> 01:57:00,380
One of them actually has a closed-loop water system.

1805
01:57:00,600 --> 01:57:00,840
Right.

1806
01:57:00,940 --> 01:57:04,800
And it's in a big thing with little rock right now.

1807
01:57:05,060 --> 01:57:05,280
Right.

1808
01:57:05,400 --> 01:57:06,040
Because guess what?

1809
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:10,320
the closed-loop water system, the same one that they're proposing, it says we're not going

1810
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:15,480
to tap into your water. We're not going to do this. Guess what they need now? They need

1811
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:21,040
the water from little room. So there is there is pros to it and I'll be the first person

1812
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,800
to say I'm against it and there is pros to it and I talk to the people who work there.

1813
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:32,580
There are not a lot of jobs as they proposed. That's not an issue. However, there are pros

1814
01:57:32,580 --> 01:57:35,900
to it. And I'll be the first person to be transparent and honest and say there are

1815
01:57:35,900 --> 01:57:43,060
pros to it and there are cons to it as well. The cons scare me more than the pros. And

1816
01:57:43,060 --> 01:57:46,680
that's why I'm against it. You know why or so. If they said like we're going to go out

1817
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,780
there in the woods somewhere in the middle of the woods outside of Federalistburg, away

1818
01:57:49,780 --> 01:57:53,640
from everybody's houses and do this, I'll probably be like yeah, but they can't do that.

1819
01:57:53,780 --> 01:57:57,560
You know why? What I was told, we can't do that because we need your water infrastructure.

1820
01:57:57,560 --> 01:58:07,600
Even the close, the manager of the close, the facility who, oh, we got our own water, our own net, we can't build it out in the middle of nowhere because we need your water infrastructure.

1821
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,100
And how old is that data center?

1822
01:58:09,320 --> 01:58:10,760
I want to say it's two years old.

1823
01:58:11,060 --> 01:58:13,040
Because they're changing constantly.

1824
01:58:13,340 --> 01:58:22,460
The one that I heard on the news, of course, was that they have, they're upgrading because it's a constant, constant demand.

1825
01:58:22,460 --> 01:58:26,820
and we need to see what's out there,

1826
01:58:27,020 --> 01:58:30,320
and right now that they're promoting.

1827
01:58:31,020 --> 01:58:33,380
I'm not saying, I don't want a lot of the noise.

1828
01:58:33,780 --> 01:58:35,780
I don't want them draining the water,

1829
01:58:36,620 --> 01:58:39,380
but I also don't want this town in the pits.

1830
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:42,940
And I know, I wouldn't say our town is in the pits,

1831
01:58:43,020 --> 01:58:45,320
but what I will say is this, the one that was noisy,

1832
01:58:45,600 --> 01:58:50,020
the one with the closed water loop system

1833
01:58:50,020 --> 01:58:54,420
was not as noisy as the other one that I went to and that one was close to a

1834
01:58:54,420 --> 01:58:58,280
highway a major highway and I could hear it over the cars on the highway that's

1835
01:58:58,280 --> 01:59:03,220
how loud it was because I know someone who lives near one but they said they

1836
01:59:03,220 --> 01:59:08,940
live in a more they live in a residential but they also have airplanes so we

1837
01:59:08,940 --> 01:59:12,680
we can't stop our plane noise either you can't and guess what in the two weeks

1838
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:15,500
I'm going to Chicago and guess what I'm gonna do when I'm in Chicago they say

1839
01:59:16,140 --> 01:59:23,540
that's in Chicago as well, but that's the thing I'm not saying I don't say no just to

1840
01:59:23,540 --> 01:59:29,700
blindly say no. I say no because I'm actually looking at it and I can see here I wanted to do. I wanted to go see one.

1841
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:35,180
I want to see one. It's really cool on the inside. I feel like you're in a whole other dimension with all the.

1842
01:59:35,860 --> 01:59:43,540
It's really cool. I'm sorry if I kid you not. The inside of it is pretty cool to have really the security

1843
01:59:43,540 --> 01:59:48,360
was top-notch, like I couldn't bring my phone on the inside of it, I couldn't

1844
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:51,540
bring my purse on the inside, it was like, hey you come in, come through to

1845
01:59:51,540 --> 01:59:55,420
order. Does it have its own electrical system? They showed me something that

1846
01:59:55,420 --> 01:59:59,980
looked like an electric grid. Yeah, I couldn't quite tell that it was there.

1847
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
There's to be specific because it looked like it might have been connected to the other power stuff that I will see. That's what the government's requiring now. That if you build a data center, you have to have your own electrical source. But it still looked to be connected to, like, little rocks system generator system. You could, like, have it. Each one or two was, but they're still building. There's even though the people are against it, like, their, their leadership isn't so does they listening to the public.

1848
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:36,520
they're more so like we're going to do this but the thing of it is what I've been saying all along

1849
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:42,620
even there the cities and the towns don't get the money that you think like we keep saying it's

1850
02:00:42,620 --> 02:00:46,900
going to help Donaldsburg is going to help Donaldsburg but you gotta realize one thing that I learned

1851
02:00:46,900 --> 02:00:53,060
when I was there was that off top of your state gets the most of that money then your county gets

1852
02:00:53,060 --> 02:00:57,780
the next amount of the money so much of it is going to your school some of the stuff is going

1853
02:00:57,780 --> 02:01:02,700
And then whatever's left is going to whoever knows that's not what I've read exactly how it is.

1854
02:01:02,760 --> 02:01:05,860
Did they have a community benefits agreement with whoever they have billed in?

1855
02:01:05,860 --> 02:01:06,900
No, that I didn't get into.

1856
02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:10,700
Okay, because that would be where he did the money because that's what put you in the budget.

1857
02:01:10,820 --> 02:01:12,480
And that made a certain stance with the gut.

1858
02:01:12,580 --> 02:01:17,020
I'm just saying, no, if you can make them put stuff in the community,

1859
02:01:17,180 --> 02:01:20,360
that if eventually we're going to be forced into it.

1860
02:01:20,860 --> 02:01:26,360
There are conditions that we can at this time because we're not forced into it,

1861
02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,060
because I know they're coming.

1862
02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:31,580
They keep telling us, and AI's coming fast.

1863
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:35,340
And so, that's why I think we need to look into it

1864
02:01:35,340 --> 02:01:36,900
just to know more about it.

1865
02:01:36,980 --> 02:01:39,420
There's an incredible amount of money being tossed

1866
02:01:39,420 --> 02:01:41,860
around between seven different companies right now,

1867
02:01:42,260 --> 02:01:43,920
in incredible amount of money.

1868
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:49,780
And so, I'm going to borrow $20, to spend $20 to give you

1869
02:01:49,780 --> 02:01:51,680
that $20 to let you get it.

1870
02:01:51,800 --> 02:01:55,040
By the time you've done that, that person's spent

1871
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:58,840
get in that next $20 and just go around and around and around. Be it the chip people,

1872
02:01:59,380 --> 02:02:03,340
be it the data center people, and we're in a incredibly large bubble wave.

1873
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:07,440
And it's an arms race to build as fast as people can,

1874
02:02:07,820 --> 02:02:12,260
until we can put restraints on it. Or, as you're saying in China,

1875
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:15,360
it's arms race against other countries because we need to get ahead.

1876
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:17,820
The scary thing that someone told me.

1877
02:02:18,220 --> 02:02:18,640
Is that right?

1878
02:02:18,980 --> 02:02:19,200
Yes.

1879
02:02:19,200 --> 02:02:23,160
It's someone's seat time.

1880
02:02:23,180 --> 02:02:26,060
What they really wanted to do in China is when they did the English.

1881
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:29,700
I heard that on the radio.

1882
02:02:33,740 --> 02:02:34,780
Thank you.

1883
02:02:37,420 --> 02:02:38,480
He works there.

1884
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,620
He said he didn't want his language.

1885
02:02:42,780 --> 02:02:44,020
But he said he wouldn't want his language.

1886
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:50,220
So I'm Steven Parks, a couple of things I want to point out, I know you want to ban it.

1887
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:56,600
There's a whole process that needs to be done before you can ban something.

1888
02:02:57,280 --> 02:03:03,800
We need to have studies done, something certifiable that you can use for your reasoning for banning it.

1889
02:03:03,980 --> 02:03:08,120
Just to say that we don't want it here, there's not a reason that's going to get us sued.

1890
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:12,680
We have a $3 million a year budget to work with.

1891
02:03:12,680 --> 02:03:18,160
We're over here, pinching pennies, trying to figure out ways to do things and we're struggling.

1892
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:23,920
We haven't even talked about the roads, the infrastructure underneath, the sinkholes,

1893
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:25,440
the sidewalks.

1894
02:03:25,500 --> 02:03:27,320
I mean, these sidewalks are tripping at us.

1895
02:03:27,700 --> 02:03:29,020
That's a loss who's waiting to happen.

1896
02:03:29,660 --> 02:03:32,440
I mean, our infrastructure out front, you know what I mean?

1897
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:33,600
This is town hall.

1898
02:03:33,980 --> 02:03:39,360
I mean, people should be proud that people went to our town hall, borderline and barracks.

1899
02:03:39,820 --> 02:03:40,060
You know what I mean?

1900
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:41,140
You're looking at that kind of stuff.

1901
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:45,040
there's no other avenue for money okay you got to think about it like that

1902
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:51,160
what else is going to generate revenue for the town that means to pave a road

1903
02:03:51,160 --> 02:03:56,680
I would imagine from let's say South Main Street to University one road I

1904
02:03:56,680 --> 02:03:59,860
would imagine is going to cost somewhere between one million and two million dollars

1905
02:03:59,860 --> 02:04:03,720
right to do one road that's just a pavement that's not to do all the

1906
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:08,100
infrastructure stormwater drains and then you also got to consider all the

1907
02:04:08,100 --> 02:04:13,460
sidewalls. Okay, these are real problems in this town that we can't even begin to address

1908
02:04:13,460 --> 02:04:17,640
because we got problems with our water treatment plant and these other things. So we got

1909
02:04:17,640 --> 02:04:21,260
to come up with some kind of solution, right? And I'll beat my head against the wall trying

1910
02:04:21,260 --> 02:04:25,000
to figure out another solution. That's not going to, you know what I mean, that would fit

1911
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:31,340
what you guys think belongs there. Now the thing is, the reason why it wants to go there,

1912
02:04:31,780 --> 02:04:37,980
it's not that the data center picked fettlesburg, okay. These people own the property, they

1913
02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:41,760
we're going to do a warehouse to do a shipping and receiving, you know, that kind of like an

1914
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:45,640
ancient embed, right? Then they pivoted because they realized how much it was going to cost and

1915
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:50,220
all that kind of stuff. Come up with the idea of the data center. So then they hired a guy that was

1916
02:04:50,220 --> 02:04:55,940
knowledgeable on data centers. That's who showed up to the gymnasium, right? He got ruffled a little bit

1917
02:04:55,940 --> 02:05:00,440
and he just made the situation worse, right? Because he didn't have any answers. And nobody had any

1918
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:04,660
answers because they don't have any answers. They were just looking to say, hey, we're going to

1919
02:05:04,660 --> 02:05:09,640
educate you on this this is what we're thinking and then they got berated right very

1920
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:13,540
unprofessional very childlike all right we're grownups here I mean this is a

1921
02:05:13,540 --> 02:05:17,220
business this town is a business and we got to view it as a business we got to

1922
02:05:17,220 --> 02:05:22,140
look at it like we got real problems okay we can't just say let's get a

1923
02:05:22,140 --> 02:05:25,700
manufacturing company to go there they own the property they got to say what

1924
02:05:25,700 --> 02:05:30,420
goes there you can do right and even if we get a manufacturing company you guys

1925
02:05:30,420 --> 02:05:34,300
they've mentioned a John Deere how do you get John Deere to manufacture here and

1926
02:05:34,300 --> 02:05:37,080
not to see for Delaware where you don't pay any tax, right?

1927
02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:38,280
You give them tax incentives.

1928
02:05:38,820 --> 02:05:40,380
So we give them tax incentives coming in.

1929
02:05:40,540 --> 02:05:41,620
Well, what's that doing for our town?

1930
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:43,560
Now they're utilizing our infrastructure

1931
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,220
and there's nothing, right?

1932
02:05:45,580 --> 02:05:48,460
Right now we are in a unique opportunity, okay?

1933
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,660
Here's the thing, with the data center

1934
02:05:50,660 --> 02:05:53,000
that I've researched and everything, okay?

1935
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:54,180
You don't hear it, right?

1936
02:05:54,640 --> 02:05:58,260
We can say, listen, at 60 decibels to the wall

1937
02:05:58,260 --> 02:06:01,040
or whatever the fence, that's what you're allowed to, right?

1938
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:11,580
and to put it in perspective, what 60 decibels is is you drive up the solo cup and you stand across the street at 60 decibels across the street as solo cup, right?

1939
02:06:12,260 --> 02:06:20,180
So we can command all these non-negotiables based off of the approval, right? And number one has to be the power point, right?

1940
02:06:20,180 --> 02:06:29,000
So one of the things that I was talking to them about was, well, if you guys build a power bank can you build enough to offer our town something?

1941
02:06:29,460 --> 02:06:35,860
Would you entertain, you know, giving, you know, the electric to the town? And they said, absolutely, we definitely would.

1942
02:06:35,860 --> 02:06:44,400
So this goes back to what Ms. Kim was talking about is these were the kind of things that we can kind of put in our requests that said, listen, you know, their tax dollars is not enough.

1943
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:50,440
You know, you know what would you commit annually to our town to make our town better a better place?

1944
02:06:51,180 --> 02:06:57,760
So you know, so you know to own rules of law, I don't know that, I don't know, but you have a conversation with the hand of the town.

1945
02:06:58,660 --> 02:07:07,580
I haven't talked to them on the behalf of the town, I've talked to them on the behalf of me, because like I said, I told you the last meeting I was at, because I want to be knowledge, but I know what they got for you.

1946
02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:11,900
We were able to get in contact when we had meetings and conversations to get all of these knowledge.

1947
02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:16,120
We had to get to have a conversation with them or anything so we don't even know who they are.

1948
02:07:16,460 --> 02:07:17,480
Like, you're not one of them.

1949
02:07:17,900 --> 02:07:18,760
They're not one of them.

1950
02:07:20,380 --> 02:07:21,840
Well, I don't even listen to you.

1951
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,620
You know more than we know.

1952
02:07:25,060 --> 02:07:26,880
And we've been sitting here with the...

1953
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:29,280
Well, that's not a bad assessment because I asked him.

1954
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:32,280
I said, you know, Brandy James said that she reached out to you guys

1955
02:07:32,280 --> 02:07:34,920
and sent you along with your list of questions.

1956
02:07:35,300 --> 02:07:36,220
Did I not?

1957
02:07:36,220 --> 02:07:42,480
right and you know they said they said they responded they sent you a 50-page document

1958
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:47,960
would it hurt? would they send me the same exact date? the 50-page document?

1959
02:07:48,080 --> 02:07:52,540
yeah they basically was they wasn't answering and you got my questions they sent you the same thing

1960
02:07:52,540 --> 02:07:56,000
I don't know what you're questioning or I just I question them a lot they don't answer

1961
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:58,320
and they answered with they did answer

1962
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:02,420
we gave this we gave a 50-page document they didn't answer not one of my questions

1963
02:08:02,420 --> 02:08:08,680
okay so let me ask you that sorry if you don't hear it okay they're generating enough power

1964
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:12,920
but see that's my fault you can call them and ask them bring the chance yeah she is

1965
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:18,340
you should have said come come with me to this town council and talk to them face to face

1966
02:08:18,340 --> 02:08:24,120
we'll see it but can I finish what I'm doing and then I'm going to make an offer okay so this is

1967
02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:28,980
and I'm not making an offer it sounds worse okay but here anybody so this is the thing I

1968
02:08:28,980 --> 02:08:34,120
I asked them, I said, would you be willing to build a power plant big enough to supply the town with electricity?

1969
02:08:34,780 --> 02:08:38,560
They said absolutely. They would supply the town. The town would have an electric bill.

1970
02:08:38,660 --> 02:08:43,740
You would still have a surfer charge because they don't own the utility lines and all that kind of stuff.

1971
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:45,200
They don't have more power in them, don't own it.

1972
02:08:45,660 --> 02:08:49,100
So that's one of the small incentives that they would be willing to do.

1973
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:56,020
Then they talked about doing scholarships and they talked about building firehouses and employing police officers

1974
02:08:56,020 --> 02:09:00,840
to actually have it fully fire fires right which we need we need them fully fire

1975
02:09:00,840 --> 02:09:05,680
but these people do risk their life for a tax break that's insane that's

1976
02:09:05,680 --> 02:09:09,540
crazy right these are the guys you go to a federal fair of elementary that

1977
02:09:09,540 --> 02:09:13,760
school literally looks almost identical to the way it did but that's what I went

1978
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:23,500
there for you but the county is not giving us the money we're begging for money

1979
02:09:23,500 --> 02:09:24,560
and they're not giving you.

1980
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:27,080
We don't have to, they're going to get a whole

1981
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:28,540
of the money, doesn't want to get in there.

1982
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,680
If we make an incentive, but if we make an incentive,

1983
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:33,660
if we incentivize it as, listen,

1984
02:09:33,860 --> 02:09:36,280
if you donate 25 million a year to the town,

1985
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:38,240
let's just say that's a drop in a bucket to them.

1986
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:41,140
That's everything that changes everything.

1987
02:09:41,440 --> 02:09:42,520
So I think you were just saying,

1988
02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:45,840
yeah, you're saying it now, we can go ahead

1989
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,160
and we can do more of this, right?

1990
02:09:47,480 --> 02:09:50,180
They can say, you know what, we can be sure you're well-free.

1991
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:52,480
We have a whole bunch of other people online,

1992
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:54,300
I'm not going to bring more of you there for me.

1993
02:09:54,500 --> 02:09:55,600
I'm a firefighter, which is quiet.

1994
02:09:56,860 --> 02:10:00,820
This is start to sound like fast experiences in a country

1995
02:10:00,820 --> 02:10:04,360
of a company that are questions for a big picture sheet.

1996
02:10:04,740 --> 02:10:08,580
And they say, the splight out, boom, look at that.

1997
02:10:09,340 --> 02:10:11,220
So they may have to do a eye-wording.

1998
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:12,920
And I get what you're saying.

1999
02:10:13,060 --> 02:10:16,300
And that's, you know, I don't like these chains on either.

2000
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:19,060
I don't like the idea that this could be a four-mile.

2001
02:10:19,900 --> 02:10:21,720
or this could follow up the town.

2002
02:10:22,220 --> 02:10:23,920
When you're left with both those

2003
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:26,180
and it is very little in the middle

2004
02:10:26,180 --> 02:10:27,580
like it's still recently.

2005
02:10:28,700 --> 02:10:29,940
So that's why we should have

2006
02:10:29,940 --> 02:10:32,680
a bunch of non-negotiables brought up.

2007
02:10:32,860 --> 02:10:34,780
We should say like this is non-negotiable.

2008
02:10:35,120 --> 02:10:37,100
You don't bump water from here.

2009
02:10:37,420 --> 02:10:38,920
You don't bump water into here.

2010
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:40,440
You bump it into holding tanks.

2011
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:42,620
With that kind of money that would come to our town,

2012
02:10:42,780 --> 02:10:44,960
we would have so many new town employees.

2013
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:46,680
We would have to hire committees.

2014
02:10:46,680 --> 02:11:08,420
We have committees to hold them to the clock fire, you know what I mean, we'd say listen before that water gets pumped out, and from what I understand, they purge their system about once every year, right, and it's 100,000 gallons of water, right, which is not a lot of water, it seems like a lot of water, they've earned three to four percent, so let's just say they're 140,000 gallons.

2015
02:11:08,420 --> 02:11:13,760
Your average form uses 6 million gallons annually, your average form.

2016
02:11:14,120 --> 02:11:17,560
Your average irrigation uses 250,000 gallons of load.

2017
02:11:17,960 --> 02:11:22,820
I would imagine you'd probably waste 100,000 gallons on the roads because they don't stop

2018
02:11:22,820 --> 02:11:24,940
when it comes to the roads, it just sprays on the roads.

2019
02:11:25,480 --> 02:11:26,720
So water is not an issue.

2020
02:11:27,340 --> 02:11:28,300
Power is not an issue.

2021
02:11:28,740 --> 02:11:34,100
But do you say that 100% certain people, they are building right?

2022
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:35,920
Somebody else is going to be leasing it.

2023
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:38,620
And what they do on that property, what they will, we won't know.

2024
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:40,800
So that's why it's not the way I'm seeing it.

2025
02:11:41,140 --> 02:11:42,980
Can you stand here?

2026
02:11:43,180 --> 02:11:45,240
100% as a person from the battleship.

2027
02:11:45,300 --> 02:11:48,780
You can say that they are not looking to use our order.

2028
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:50,600
You can have whatever.

2029
02:11:51,160 --> 02:11:52,360
Whatever I'm making, yes or no?

2030
02:11:52,580 --> 02:11:53,020
Yes or no?

2031
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:53,840
Can I say that?

2032
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:54,100
Yes.

2033
02:11:54,460 --> 02:11:55,580
You're not building the data center.

2034
02:11:55,740 --> 02:11:57,380
I'm saying that you're speaking on every hand.

2035
02:11:57,540 --> 02:12:02,800
But what I can say is that if I was to approve it, whatever I would approve,

2036
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:07,020
would convey with the property so they sold it to so and so whatever that

2037
02:12:07,020 --> 02:12:12,140
conveys and it would be worth it if they were willing to lock in everybody in

2038
02:12:12,140 --> 02:12:16,860
future successors and into whatever whatever whatever regulations we put in

2039
02:12:16,860 --> 02:12:19,260
that it was for its own set for that.

2040
02:12:19,480 --> 02:12:24,240
These are the things that are baked into our approval so just like this if we

2041
02:12:24,240 --> 02:12:28,520
could say we approve a data center but we only approve the data center if we will

2042
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:32,220
allow that to build the power plant first right and then we approve the

2043
02:12:32,220 --> 02:12:36,720
fire plan, but then guess what? They have to go to the state level to get approval for the power plan.

2044
02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:41,180
What the state says now, we're not going to lie, you put a power plan there, so then guess what?

2045
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:43,920
That kills a whole deal in itself right there, right?

2046
02:12:44,280 --> 02:12:48,720
These are the kind of things that they would take, all the responsibility, all of us, and all the

2047
02:12:49,860 --> 02:12:52,860
nutritious nature of things, all of us, if we were to do that.

2048
02:12:53,140 --> 02:12:56,020
I'm just saying we're going to band it without having the proper studies done.

2049
02:12:56,460 --> 02:13:07,320
I just feel right to me and this is something to more to you because our question is I get where you come from I understand that you don't know these people.

2050
02:13:07,460 --> 02:13:13,280
I see this relationship. I wish it would stop trying to sell it like that and listen me and you are not going to get on that kind of time.

2051
02:13:13,500 --> 02:13:21,160
I don't know these people, okay. This is not going to sell it like I'm friends. You know what I'm selling? I'm selling prosperity to a town. That's what I'm looking for.

2052
02:13:25,580 --> 02:13:31,780
What? You don't even know that. We don't even know that they're going to actually sell this because we sell the God.

2053
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:36,760
But what I'm saying is, it's going to be a building there that's going to have to be leased out to someone.

2054
02:13:38,380 --> 02:13:44,840
What happens if they don't lease it out? What happens if no one leased that building out? They are stuck there with the building, right?

2055
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:47,760
So there is no prosperity.

2056
02:13:48,240 --> 02:13:50,540
This is a one simple thing.

2057
02:13:50,840 --> 02:13:52,660
But you understand the building with me in place.

2058
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:56,140
But what I'm going to say in here is,

2059
02:13:56,980 --> 02:13:59,080
we're here at a bayonet.

2060
02:13:59,900 --> 02:14:04,660
What other options are they willing to bring on that property outside of the desk?

2061
02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:07,560
It's a conversation and that's why I wanted to get back to you.

2062
02:14:07,700 --> 02:14:11,120
So I wanted to tell you that they wanted to have a meeting with people,

2063
02:14:11,300 --> 02:14:12,340
but they want a small meeting.

2064
02:14:12,340 --> 02:14:15,540
We're not worried about getting the stunts and they want to talk to us longer.

2065
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:18,060
It's exactly right and that's what it is.

2066
02:14:21,620 --> 02:14:22,020
Right.

2067
02:14:23,860 --> 02:14:26,100
I agree. I agree. I'm just conveying what.

2068
02:14:30,180 --> 02:14:30,580
Right.

2069
02:14:33,980 --> 02:14:36,680
Well, it's just because I've reached out and I tried to have this.

2070
02:14:36,680 --> 02:14:38,200
I'm reaching out, they should be reaching out.

2071
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:39,640
I'm asking, they should be with us,

2072
02:14:39,780 --> 02:14:40,800
and they should be with us.

2073
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:41,680
Oh, I agree.

2074
02:14:42,140 --> 02:14:42,940
I think you're at the mountains.

2075
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:46,460
But I told them, I will tell you guys that they should be

2076
02:14:46,460 --> 02:14:47,220
all in us.

2077
02:14:48,280 --> 02:14:48,760
And I'll tell you.

2078
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:49,320
Give us their help.

2079
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:50,540
We don't even have their help from them.

2080
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:50,760
Yeah.

2081
02:14:50,820 --> 02:14:52,280
You don't know how to contact them.

2082
02:14:52,440 --> 02:14:53,000
It's your family.

2083
02:14:53,200 --> 02:14:55,500
I'm a bad family, so I'm very proud of them.

2084
02:14:55,640 --> 02:14:57,360
And this is just a huge help.

2085
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:57,920
I agree.

2086
02:14:58,100 --> 02:14:59,580
I think you do need to go to them.

2087
02:14:59,660 --> 02:14:59,980
It's a great deal.

2088
02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:29,600
If you have a concern, a little bit of concern, you need to talk to the council, they need to talk to the council, they need to talk to the council.

2089
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,640
So, I wouldn't much rather have days there than a ball.

2090
02:15:32,940 --> 02:15:35,860
So, how would you feel with that?

2091
02:15:36,120 --> 02:15:37,180
Well, there, there.

2092
02:15:37,500 --> 02:15:38,300
I don't know where he's going.

2093
02:15:38,900 --> 02:15:40,080
I would only have the chance there.

2094
02:15:40,300 --> 02:15:42,780
I actually want to put one in my room and talk to him.

2095
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:44,000
And I live over top behind.

2096
02:15:44,420 --> 02:15:45,080
And I'll tell you why.

2097
02:15:45,340 --> 02:15:48,240
A lot of kids live in front of the zoo.

2098
02:15:48,420 --> 02:15:50,420
We're the second worst in the past.

2099
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:51,860
Our enemies are right here.

2100
02:15:52,180 --> 02:15:53,300
And we're something new.

2101
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:56,000
Chris, do you want watermelons?

2102
02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:57,800
We're waiting for a meeting.

2103
02:15:58,180 --> 02:16:01,480
Yeah, so I'm trying to have...

2104
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:02,480
I'm just saying, I'm just saying to that...

2105
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:04,340
This is a way that they could say that.

2106
02:16:04,340 --> 02:16:07,360
A real one, you have to be a big piece of life.

2107
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:09,000
Yeah, I'm not saying that.

2108
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:11,860
But they passed it, we're still in taxes.

2109
02:16:12,120 --> 02:16:14,160
Over three years, we were...

2110
02:16:14,160 --> 02:16:17,040
I mean, they kind of did with the...

2111
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:17,880
Look up the taxes.

2112
02:16:18,440 --> 02:16:19,420
They haven't really been there.

2113
02:16:19,720 --> 02:16:21,120
It was like the way it was at the thing.

2114
02:16:21,660 --> 02:16:23,000
You can have a meeting with them.

2115
02:16:23,080 --> 02:16:24,060
You can't just have a meeting with them.

2116
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:27,320
The public has no, because the violence of the meeting is that, right?

2117
02:16:27,660 --> 02:16:33,480
So, you can have them come and talk, but you can't have them attacked by people other than me, right?

2118
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:38,480
So, no, no, no, you can't, but that's what happens with open public comment,

2119
02:16:38,700 --> 02:16:40,740
like throwing the president in attack, right?

2120
02:16:40,980 --> 02:16:44,420
And you have a dialogue with them without the people interrupting,

2121
02:16:44,720 --> 02:16:46,000
because that's what happened at the thing.

2122
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:47,280
They were trying to talk to present.

2123
02:16:47,700 --> 02:16:47,840
Right.

2124
02:16:48,020 --> 02:16:50,480
We asked our questions, and then nobody could ask the question.

2125
02:16:53,200 --> 02:17:09,340
I think that's the reason why they got attacked and said, if they had said we're being asked certain questions on what, like for instance, what's your backup orders by even giving an answer and I understand he's going to feel it, he doesn't have, why do you come to percent if you don't have that information?

2126
02:17:09,340 --> 02:17:14,780
You know people, they put the car before the horse, and this is a thing, so I told them.

2127
02:17:15,440 --> 02:17:18,540
And so, I gave them the car, and they made a warning to the cars, to give them the idea,

2128
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:22,280
I said to you, it seemed to be called so far, so I wanted to talk about things.

2129
02:17:22,420 --> 02:17:26,040
I said to them, all three of them, I said, hey, look, I want a good group.

2130
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:29,680
I don't want that door channel, so I'm like, let me talk about this,

2131
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:34,280
because then all of a sudden, I get paid for things, I might say, that might not be the answer, true.

2132
02:17:34,720 --> 02:17:37,780
if they were going to be up for it and like I'm looking at it.

2133
02:17:38,680 --> 02:17:40,720
That's what they're calling out to Project Scale.

2134
02:17:41,660 --> 02:17:44,160
If they're present at a scene that they might have had a

2135
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:45,560
enforcement season.

2136
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:48,500
But I think people missed really what that whole thing was.

2137
02:17:49,680 --> 02:17:53,760
So the guy that gave the presentation was just knowledgeable about data center.

2138
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:56,000
He wasn't the guy that's going to build the data center.

2139
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:58,740
They didn't know what they were going to put there,

2140
02:17:58,860 --> 02:18:00,820
because they're not building the data center.

2141
02:18:00,820 --> 02:18:05,620
But what they were looking for is what the Tannar Fettlesburg would have heard, right?

2142
02:18:05,880 --> 02:18:10,540
So they were supposed to educate us on data centers and we would know, like, what safeguards

2143
02:18:10,540 --> 02:18:11,180
we would need.

2144
02:18:11,500 --> 02:18:12,720
What are non-negotiants?

2145
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:16,200
Like, non-negotiants, we don't want you to happen into our electric group.

2146
02:18:16,500 --> 02:18:18,340
We don't want you to happen into our water system.

2147
02:18:18,700 --> 02:18:19,640
Those are non-negotiants.

2148
02:18:19,980 --> 02:18:24,100
They need those kind of non-negotiants, so they know what package they're trying to sell.

2149
02:18:24,540 --> 02:18:26,940
And until they had that, then they had nothing.

2150
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:27,600
They don't know.

2151
02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:35,760
So this is a thing is too many too many things that weren't said and I think it's like it said their presentation was terrible. It made things even worse

2152
02:18:43,860 --> 02:18:45,760
No, we're going to do our

2153
02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:00,680
want to do, I don't feel like we need to go back to change what we've already

2154
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:06,820
voted to do. So what you voted to do and if our town attorney got it us, I'm

2155
02:19:06,820 --> 02:19:10,220
Mr. Parks that we're going to get sued by the mayor. So if our town attorney

2156
02:19:10,220 --> 02:19:14,600
told us that we can ban things and we want to get sued and then that goes on

2157
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:18,480
early, we'll record early, we'll hear license because she said if you're

2158
02:19:18,480 --> 02:19:27,580
going to be in a gay bus, okay, but this is the way we can leave it, we will

2159
02:19:27,580 --> 02:19:30,560
like that when you're alone, we really advise them.

2160
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:32,720
So, that's how we do it.

2161
02:19:32,720 --> 02:19:34,540
So, if this is, we're gonna go on this,

2162
02:19:34,920 --> 02:19:37,620
whatever Lindsey said, I appreciate Mr. Parks comment

2163
02:19:37,620 --> 02:19:38,760
is being in his piece,

2164
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:39,980
because he's being here every evening,

2165
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:41,480
and he said his piece every evening,

2166
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:43,960
and I appreciate him because we didn't have to be here

2167
02:19:43,960 --> 02:19:45,560
and he had to speak up, but he didn't,

2168
02:19:45,620 --> 02:19:47,000
and I appreciate checking out on his things.

2169
02:19:47,180 --> 02:19:48,580
Well, I guess I, I don't want to,

2170
02:19:48,580 --> 02:19:49,700
I'm not bored of him.

2171
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,660
I'm not, I don't, I'm not affiliated with him.

2172
02:19:53,020 --> 02:19:54,540
Like I said, I live in this town.

2173
02:19:54,940 --> 02:19:57,020
I have to drive these roads just like you,

2174
02:19:57,020 --> 02:20:04,140
everybody else. And I want a solution to all the massive problems. It seems like this is

2175
02:20:04,140 --> 02:20:09,380
the only solution in my opinion. I feel like we're in a unique position, like Ms. Web

2176
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:17,640
said, to basically say this, we are entertainers, but this is our non-negotiations. And that's

2177
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:22,420
what we hold on to. That's what lawyers put them non-negotiables in place. That would

2178
02:20:22,920 --> 02:20:28,340
So they were going to say, listen, what's on the property with list of approvals with non-negotiables.

2179
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:29,760
That's what they have to abide by.

2180
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:36,700
So the process is the way that we have it now, where this goes to planning and zoning and zoning discusses it,

2181
02:20:36,760 --> 02:20:40,180
comes back here, and then there's a public hearing schedule for all of this.

2182
02:20:40,880 --> 02:20:45,560
So in the meantime, there can be another presentation.

2183
02:20:45,880 --> 02:20:47,520
There can be all that stuff that happens.

2184
02:20:47,860 --> 02:20:50,040
Now, Lindsay has a response for technology.

2185
02:20:50,040 --> 02:21:09,700
So, she said, I looked at the other definitions of data center, they were all very similar to what we have, and it didn't seem necessary to do technology, but they didn't introduce, and we can revise the definition of trying to adopt some of the definitions necessary.

2186
02:21:11,060 --> 02:21:14,700
Okay so you would forward at the planning and zoning this way, planning and zoning would

2187
02:21:14,700 --> 02:21:20,180
modify it and then send it back and then you would schedule. So do you want to start

2188
02:21:20,180 --> 02:21:24,940
the question is, so we just need to make motion. You need to make a motion to forward at the

2189
02:21:24,940 --> 02:21:32,340
planning and zoning. This goes to me one or the other thing. No, it goes to planning and zoning

2190
02:21:32,340 --> 02:21:37,000
planning and zoning. You are modifying our zoning districts. Right, planning and zoning

2191
02:21:45,600 --> 02:21:56,320
So you are making a motion to ensure that you are forwarding ordinance number twenty-twenties of access to seven in order to the mayor council.

2192
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:05,360
But you're referring it to the edits on back.

2193
02:22:05,660 --> 02:22:08,640
Yeah, also introducing but we're not scheduling a public hearing.

2194
02:22:08,840 --> 02:22:11,940
But that's when you're introducing it but you're not scheduling the public hearing.

2195
02:22:12,460 --> 02:22:16,400
Well, you could but you have to you have to wait until it comes back from.

2196
02:22:16,840 --> 02:22:19,260
Well, this is the public hearing should also be scheduled.

2197
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:26,260
Okay, then you would schedule the public hearing for the night.

2198
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:28,580
There's a lot of time to waste time with the cat.

2199
02:22:28,860 --> 02:22:30,060
Yeah, there would be for the night.

2200
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:36,260
So is there a way to have the Marin Council and a small group of people

2201
02:22:36,260 --> 02:22:39,920
and then have those guys there or it has to be just open your own?

2202
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:44,700
I was told that the public as well has to be public, meaning it can't be a special invite only.

2203
02:22:44,700 --> 02:22:47,920
So, when planning and zoning is not done with it,

2204
02:22:48,100 --> 02:22:49,120
temperate is not done.

2205
02:22:49,440 --> 02:22:50,380
It would be for later.

2206
02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,020
Well, then you would even have to postpone the public here.

2207
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:54,140
Okay, so the public here.

2208
02:22:54,140 --> 02:22:56,980
But they cannot hurt, but they cannot purposely hold it.

2209
02:22:57,260 --> 02:22:58,880
No, they cannot purposely hold it.

2210
02:22:59,040 --> 02:23:02,180
They have to have a legitimate reason why they did not get it back.

2211
02:23:02,420 --> 02:23:03,860
No, it's a penalty and zoning meeting.

2212
02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:05,740
There are also people that come and speak there.

2213
02:23:05,900 --> 02:23:06,780
That's a penalty meeting.

2214
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:07,980
That's a public meeting.

2215
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:09,900
I don't know, at the end of the day,

2216
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:13,620
it sounds like we're going against what the majority of the people

2217
02:23:13,620 --> 02:23:16,060
over time, one by even entertaining us.

2218
02:23:16,300 --> 02:23:18,320
I mean, that's why I accept throw it on a ballot.

2219
02:23:18,320 --> 02:23:21,100
So therefore, you can actually have voters, you know.

2220
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:23,340
So here's the question, if you're stuck in on a ballot,

2221
02:23:23,800 --> 02:23:26,080
are you doing the ballot, and so are you

2222
02:23:26,080 --> 02:23:27,520
going to do this on the ballot, or are you just

2223
02:23:27,520 --> 02:23:28,000
going to do this?

2224
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:30,560
But the thing with the ballot is, Lindsey was saying

2225
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:33,420
is that the people who live near there,

2226
02:23:33,580 --> 02:23:38,140
you could only hold them, and my polling them,

2227
02:23:38,540 --> 02:23:40,880
would there, even if the majority of them

2228
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:43,440
and says you don't want the data center.

2229
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:45,940
We are not, I don't know what they're saying.

2230
02:23:46,120 --> 02:23:47,980
We can't, we don't have to go by what they say.

2231
02:23:48,300 --> 02:23:49,200
But people in town have to.

2232
02:23:49,200 --> 02:23:51,280
Yeah, but if you have people in town

2233
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,880
that actually want to have a committee

2234
02:23:53,880 --> 02:23:56,220
to investigate it, I'm just saying, right?

2235
02:23:56,660 --> 02:23:57,600
I'm asking you to say it.

2236
02:23:57,620 --> 02:23:59,660
Then to come back with the exact same statement.

2237
02:24:00,260 --> 02:24:01,500
You're the 300 people that showed up

2238
02:24:01,500 --> 02:24:05,260
through our meeting, kind of made it pretty abundantly clear.

2239
02:24:06,480 --> 02:24:09,740
And 200 out of 2008, I'm not sure.

2240
02:24:09,740 --> 02:24:16,300
And how many people? Yes. And I get. But still, it's still what those who chose to say,

2241
02:24:16,520 --> 02:24:20,920
those that chose to stay silent and those that chose to come and say, yeah, or need to

2242
02:24:20,920 --> 02:24:26,440
it. I'm saying I've heard four people in favor, so far, between all the meetings I've

2243
02:24:26,440 --> 02:24:32,080
been to. And then in the day, like the way I look at this way, if I put it on the ballot,

2244
02:24:32,580 --> 02:24:37,520
and let's say they, the bulk people that is bouncing, no, it's going to be incredibly

2245
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:40,700
incredibly unpalatable for us to entertain anything further.

2246
02:24:41,740 --> 02:24:43,140
It keeps us in check.

2247
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,460
It takes the weight of the decision law for our shoulders.

2248
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:51,640
And it's yet another means of, if we were to be

2249
02:24:51,640 --> 02:24:54,820
under a lawsuit, that, you know, sure, you take his court

2250
02:24:54,820 --> 02:24:56,640
but the majority of people voted against it.

2251
02:24:56,740 --> 02:24:59,980
And I would highly doubt that we would have a majority

2252
02:24:59,980 --> 02:25:01,040
of people voting for it.

2253
02:25:01,400 --> 02:25:05,340
Well, so the job of our job is to not just

2254
02:25:05,340 --> 02:25:08,640
of emotionally and to look at the facts of a project or anything.

2255
02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:10,320
I do with reading the book.

2256
02:25:12,340 --> 02:25:13,080
I have done it.

2257
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:13,280
I have done it.

2258
02:25:13,540 --> 02:25:14,080
You have done it.

2259
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:16,580
I didn't have to spend my time touring the debt center.

2260
02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:17,580
I didn't have to do that.

2261
02:25:17,620 --> 02:25:19,900
I didn't have to leave my time researching this stuff.

2262
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:21,200
I've done my video.

2263
02:25:21,380 --> 02:25:22,180
Probably more naval.

2264
02:25:22,660 --> 02:25:23,120
That didn't work.

2265
02:25:23,500 --> 02:25:25,420
They didn't let me bring them to my friends.

2266
02:25:25,880 --> 02:25:26,740
I wasn't allowed to.

2267
02:25:27,060 --> 02:25:27,840
I wish I would have.

2268
02:25:27,940 --> 02:25:31,660
I wish I was because that was my purpose was to videotape everything that I said.

2269
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:32,160
Everything.

2270
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:42,900
I don't like it to be said like somebody didn't do their due diligence. I can't speak

2271
02:25:42,900 --> 02:25:47,080
for what nobody else has done, but I've done my due diligence. And I'm not sitting here

2272
02:25:47,080 --> 02:25:51,400
saying it and I'm very transparent and I'm not saying it's a totally bad thing. I have

2273
02:25:51,400 --> 02:25:56,740
said it repeatedly, there are pros to it, but there's cons as well. And everybody who's in

2274
02:25:56,740 --> 02:25:59,800
an elected official, appointed official elected official

2275
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:02,540
to represent the people, but I don't represent

2276
02:26:02,540 --> 02:26:04,620
just Stephen Parks or Miss Mary Webb.

2277
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:06,100
I don't just represent you two.

2278
02:26:06,220 --> 02:26:09,200
I represent everybody who is within the Incorporated Town

2279
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:10,080
of Federalist Burden Merlin.

2280
02:26:10,280 --> 02:26:13,380
And if only 200 of them came out and said no, guess what?

2281
02:26:13,640 --> 02:26:16,180
And four of y'all are saying yes, the majority wins.

2282
02:26:16,380 --> 02:26:17,100
That's how it is.

2283
02:26:17,700 --> 02:26:20,100
I can't just sit here and say I'm only listening

2284
02:26:20,100 --> 02:26:22,400
to Stephen Parks because he's the most popular man

2285
02:26:22,400 --> 02:26:22,900
on the block.

2286
02:26:23,320 --> 02:26:25,200
Or because Stephen Parks has a million dollars,

2287
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:31,460
I'm just listening to him. I can't say that. Your intentions are good very good. I hear you

2288
02:26:31,460 --> 02:26:36,680
I see you. I know what you want to do for Fatalsburg and I appreciate and respect that but I actually

2289
02:26:36,680 --> 02:26:42,840
have to as a elected official listen to what the majority of those who are saying not just those who live

2290
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:48,900
where that center wants to go but those who've been in town too and that's where I go from because if it was

2291
02:26:48,900 --> 02:26:55,180
up to me I mean my personal choice is my personal choice and I should not put my personal opinion

2292
02:26:55,180 --> 02:26:58,800
and things. I try to do it from a standpoint of representing people and not

2293
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:05,300
granny. So would it be too much to ask? Let's just say before you ban it, you come

2294
02:27:05,300 --> 02:27:09,680
up with a list of all the reasons why you would not want that data center to

2295
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:13,420
come here. One reason is 200 and some people that was in that gym days even. Take

2296
02:27:13,420 --> 02:27:18,600
that out of the equation. I mean to make it out of the equation. Because a lot of

2297
02:27:18,600 --> 02:27:21,080
people don't educate theirself and take the time to do it.

2298
02:27:21,100 --> 02:27:22,120
Oh my God.

2299
02:27:22,140 --> 02:27:22,420
Okay.

2300
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:23,540
I know.

2301
02:27:24,020 --> 02:27:25,400
Oh my God.

2302
02:27:26,020 --> 02:27:26,180
All right.

2303
02:27:26,320 --> 02:27:26,940
That's the problem.

2304
02:27:27,560 --> 02:27:28,640
Next for public comment.

2305
02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:31,120
Well, people came to the meeting on the ready.

2306
02:27:31,260 --> 02:27:31,420
Yeah.

2307
02:27:31,580 --> 02:27:32,100
They'll speak.

2308
02:27:32,460 --> 02:27:33,120
They did.

2309
02:27:33,300 --> 02:27:34,420
They did.

2310
02:27:35,060 --> 02:27:36,820
And we got the marijuana building.

2311
02:27:36,940 --> 02:27:37,340
All right.

2312
02:27:37,500 --> 02:27:39,600
So a little bit more on the down the center thing.

2313
02:27:40,620 --> 02:27:45,140
I believe when people were sitting here talking about what money is going to be left over

2314
02:27:45,140 --> 02:27:50,360
for the town after the state and the county take bears I believe it was mentioned

2315
02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:54,540
that because we're incorporated we also have like some sort of tax on what they

2316
02:27:54,540 --> 02:28:01,800
have in the facility. I know computer parks very expensive. If I die and my wife

2317
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:07,680
sells my computer for what I told her I bought it for I'm gonna be very upset so

2318
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:13,200
that's where the money would come from not from Washington. But did you look at

2319
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:18,020
incentives that the state gives to that of centers on their equipment which is they,

2320
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:21,360
they don't pay taxes on that equipment because that's an incentive.

2321
02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:25,900
They are personal property tax for federals, we're not wearing the other ones.

2322
02:28:25,900 --> 02:28:30,160
But the state tax is supersedes what our equal.

2323
02:28:30,200 --> 02:28:31,740
I believe that ours would...

2324
02:28:31,740 --> 02:28:38,060
Our personal property tax would supersede their tax but whatever they have for their state

2325
02:28:38,060 --> 02:28:42,080
tax, right whatever they have for their state tax they can deduct whatever.

2326
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:46,300
our personal property tax is our personal property tax and that's what we

2327
02:28:46,300 --> 02:28:53,700
charge them on. Yeah, we are recharged businesses. I understand what you're saying, but I'm saying the

2328
02:28:53,700 --> 02:28:59,680
data center has a special tax category for coming because Maryland's trying to attract them.

2329
02:28:59,820 --> 02:29:03,800
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. We would still get the personal property tax.

2330
02:29:03,920 --> 02:29:10,100
Okay, the exact check. I'm a fat check. Like solo. I'll be in anapolis tomorrow and I'm going to get the

2331
02:29:10,100 --> 02:29:16,720
details. I hope this is on the back. Please do, but why are you standing? That's where the money would come from, whatever else.

2332
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:28,180
Also on the power systems, somebody mentioned that. Why, why does it go up to the grid? Brandy, I think you said that the one there looked like it was hooked up to the, oh, yes, I'm sure it was.

2333
02:29:28,440 --> 02:29:36,820
Just like if you want solar on your house, unless you want to have a Brazilian backup batteries, you got to be hooked into the grid so we can backfeed to the grid.

2334
02:29:36,820 --> 02:29:38,240
But oh guys, and it wouldn't be.

2335
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:45,720
But it would backfeed to the grid during, like with solar during the day you're going to backfeed it.

2336
02:29:45,860 --> 02:29:49,080
And then at night you're going to pull some back from the grid.

2337
02:29:49,660 --> 02:29:55,600
It's a way to, like as it stayed off the batteries and have a bajillion batteries sitting in your house.

2338
02:29:56,100 --> 02:29:56,480
So there's that.

2339
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:59,980
And then the other thing I want to comment on is you guys are talking about the...

2340
02:30:05,100 --> 02:30:25,220
We're going to do that every place I've seen that does a crewing allows a certain amount of roll over, and then a cap. So you could roll over 600 hours, but it's capped at 800 or whatever it would be for like, you know, you could even have an 80 out of it. So like, hey, once you hit your cap, you've got to use your two weeks every year or whatever to make sure you take that.

2341
02:30:25,220 --> 02:30:26,520
to see you can plan accordingly.

2342
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:29,960
I don't know what to any I don't have

2343
02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:32,020
in comment on the transitioning to that,

2344
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:35,140
but you know, I was just gonna say make sure

2345
02:30:35,140 --> 02:30:36,440
you have some sort of roll over

2346
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:39,540
that they could actually roll over that vacation time

2347
02:30:39,540 --> 02:30:40,820
because then maybe you said it now and.

2348
02:30:41,260 --> 02:30:41,800
We don't.

2349
02:30:42,060 --> 02:30:43,700
It's end of the fiscal year

2350
02:30:43,700 --> 02:30:45,340
and if you want to roll something over,

2351
02:30:45,500 --> 02:30:46,320
you have to get a approval.

2352
02:30:48,680 --> 02:30:50,260
That's everything and I have to get home.

2353
02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:54,400
Jimmy Hammond, thank you, I'll see you.

2354
02:30:58,660 --> 02:31:05,400
All you got to do is pull a water meter from the town for the last five years, right?

2355
02:31:06,500 --> 02:31:10,120
I was paying $700 to $900 every three months.

2356
02:31:10,320 --> 02:31:11,460
And yours is better now, right?

2357
02:31:11,800 --> 02:31:12,040
Yes.

2358
02:31:12,620 --> 02:31:13,600
When they put the new meter in.

2359
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:16,280
So your new meter is working as design for you?

2360
02:31:17,100 --> 02:31:17,120
Yes.

2361
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:23,980
you know I never and I complain but nothing ever happened so really but

2362
02:31:23,980 --> 02:31:29,680
somebody told me that I can afford to do it and some people in town couldn't

2363
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:32,800
afford to pay it so I said okay that's where it's going to be it's where it's

2364
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:36,900
going to be but you're one or two right now your meter is better now than a

2365
02:31:36,900 --> 02:31:43,130
one yeah you're one of the positive positive stories my meter right now is a

2366
02:31:44,630 --> 02:31:46,730
$27 every three months in that screen.

2367
02:31:47,130 --> 02:31:50,850
All right, so we're going to make it about that.

2368
02:31:51,110 --> 02:31:51,570
All right, go.

2369
02:31:51,730 --> 02:31:52,870
Okay, so introduce.

2370
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:56,290
What ordinance number 2026, 07?

2371
02:31:56,650 --> 02:31:57,430
Should it be come?

2372
02:31:58,330 --> 02:31:58,610
Two.

2373
02:31:59,110 --> 02:32:01,530
Can I say, yeah, we're not done.

2374
02:32:01,670 --> 02:32:02,050
She's back.

2375
02:32:02,230 --> 02:32:03,150
Oh, sorry, I didn't know.

2376
02:32:03,390 --> 02:32:04,010
I didn't know that.

2377
02:32:04,110 --> 02:32:04,370
I apologize.

2378
02:32:05,650 --> 02:32:08,330
I was like coming in, so I didn't sign out.

2379
02:32:08,570 --> 02:32:10,150
My name is Susan Andrew, I live at 16.

2380
02:32:10,390 --> 02:32:11,890
I'm very federal, but Maryland.

2381
02:32:13,030 --> 02:32:19,470
The reason they come to Fettlesburg is because we have a very high poverty level here,

2382
02:32:20,150 --> 02:32:23,690
and they think they can take advantage of it, they think we're going to jump at anything.

2383
02:32:24,170 --> 02:32:27,430
We're going to jump at any crime that's thrown out to us.

2384
02:32:28,510 --> 02:32:35,210
They are here because we're in debt, don't think they don't have computer programs that scan

2385
02:32:35,210 --> 02:32:40,270
this whole country to find the people that are most desperate, and that's what they have

2386
02:32:40,270 --> 02:32:40,570
done.

2387
02:32:40,570 --> 02:32:44,790
And we're probably variance at the way top of the list.

2388
02:32:45,430 --> 02:32:49,150
They come because they know we're just Joe Blow on the street.

2389
02:32:49,710 --> 02:32:56,990
We don't know a whole lot about it, about stopping a huge corporation, stopping someone

2390
02:32:56,990 --> 02:33:01,270
that has built into dollars, stopping that someone that has swayed with the government.

2391
02:33:01,630 --> 02:33:03,130
And they think they can railroad us.

2392
02:33:03,350 --> 02:33:04,370
That's why they're coming.

2393
02:33:04,770 --> 02:33:05,710
That's why they're here.

2394
02:33:05,710 --> 02:33:12,790
Another reason is stupid to take a humongous building and Frank Adams said

2395
02:33:12,790 --> 02:33:18,610
that's a hundred times. It's stupid to take so much property and such a huge

2396
02:33:18,610 --> 02:33:24,190
building that has no jobs. If you want to make your town better, you've got to have

2397
02:33:24,190 --> 02:33:29,050
jobs. All the jobs have left. I worked at Maryland Plastics. My husband worked

2398
02:33:29,050 --> 02:33:33,630
He worked at H&N, or he worked at Pyramid Transport.

2399
02:33:34,150 --> 02:33:35,010
They're all gone.

2400
02:33:36,370 --> 02:33:38,710
You know, all the jobs have left.

2401
02:33:39,230 --> 02:33:42,650
You want to make your, you don't bring in a trash pile

2402
02:33:42,650 --> 02:33:46,470
and say, oh, they're going to give us lots of tax dollars

2403
02:33:47,050 --> 02:33:49,170
because we're letting them bring the trash here

2404
02:33:49,170 --> 02:33:52,790
from New Jersey and New York, like they did in Dorchester County.

2405
02:33:53,290 --> 02:33:55,330
You don't do that. You bring jobs.

2406
02:33:55,330 --> 02:34:03,790
I'm sorry if I'm I'm getting emotional but you bring jobs it's not that's what it's all about the jobs have left

2407
02:34:03,790 --> 02:34:11,350
There's no money here less than a town people aren't eating lunch on the lunch hour because and so the restaurants are going out of business

2408
02:34:11,350 --> 02:34:17,210
I mean the way you make a town better is to bring jobs

2409
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:21,110
It's that simple and you don't want a humongous building with

2410
02:34:21,810 --> 02:34:23,150
15 or 20 jobs

2411
02:34:23,150 --> 02:34:25,010
It's just plain stupid.

2412
02:34:26,890 --> 02:34:31,790
The whole reason for the three years is so we can study this further.

2413
02:34:32,430 --> 02:34:34,310
That's why we have the more torn.

2414
02:34:34,730 --> 02:34:36,530
That's the whole reason for the three years.

2415
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:43,290
Okay, so another reason is people are worried about these places.

2416
02:34:43,770 --> 02:34:45,970
These people have all the money in the world.

2417
02:34:46,330 --> 02:34:48,930
They make promises. They tell you they're going to do this.

2418
02:34:49,210 --> 02:34:51,370
They tell you they're not going to jump into the grid.

2419
02:34:51,370 --> 02:34:57,450
They tell you they're not going to use the word and what do they do? They turn around for four years later and then do exactly

2420
02:34:57,450 --> 02:35:03,110
the opposite. They don't care if they get fined. It gives fine them a million dollars. They couldn't care less.

2421
02:35:03,330 --> 02:35:11,710
This is going to come in a railroad. You can make all these holes that you want all these rules. You can say,

2422
02:35:11,910 --> 02:35:20,550
oh, you can't be over 60 decibels. Yeah, that's okay. Go on a day. At night, 60 decibels sounds like a damn train.

2423
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:23,290
You know, there's all these things that you have,

2424
02:35:25,330 --> 02:35:31,090
and also there's 4,000 data centers in the United States, there's 400 in China.

2425
02:35:31,450 --> 02:35:33,390
There's no, we're not losing any day in race.

2426
02:35:34,150 --> 02:35:35,610
We are not.

2427
02:35:36,270 --> 02:35:36,550
Okay.

2428
02:35:37,530 --> 02:35:39,050
You're listening to the propaganda.

2429
02:35:39,250 --> 02:35:40,230
That's it.

2430
02:35:40,990 --> 02:35:42,250
You're listening to the propaganda.

2431
02:35:42,250 --> 02:35:44,630
No fighting, it's an industrial part.

2432
02:35:44,830 --> 02:35:45,970
You're listening to the propaganda.

2433
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:46,470
Okay.

2434
02:35:47,350 --> 02:35:47,890
That's enough.

2435
02:35:47,890 --> 02:35:59,070
So we're going to circle back around now that we're done with public comment, so we can finish up with the introduction for ordinance 2026-7.

2436
02:35:59,770 --> 02:36:00,970
Okay, yes.

2437
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:12,040
Introduction to ordinance 2026 and 07 to amend chapter 245 of the

2438
02:36:12,040 --> 02:36:18,400
Federal's Worktown Code titled zoning to prohibit data centers in any zoning

2439
02:36:18,400 --> 02:36:23,700
district. So this was forward to planning and zoning. And this will be planned.

2440
02:36:23,700 --> 02:36:28,780
And your schedule will be public hearing. This will be forwarded to planning and

2441
02:36:28,780 --> 02:36:35,940
zoning with a public hearing scheduled for September the 9th, 20th, 26th at 6 p.m.

2442
02:36:38,020 --> 02:36:38,540
Okay.

2443
02:36:38,700 --> 02:36:39,060
Question.

2444
02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:39,300
No.

2445
02:36:39,400 --> 02:36:41,620
Does it matter that it's sound industrial?

2446
02:36:42,020 --> 02:36:42,880
That's my concern.

2447
02:36:43,220 --> 02:36:43,420
Yeah.

2448
02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:44,020
It would be any.

2449
02:36:44,220 --> 02:36:45,200
And it would be any.

2450
02:36:45,380 --> 02:36:46,620
Any zoning district.

2451
02:36:47,640 --> 02:36:49,320
So bring the introduced it.

2452
02:36:49,440 --> 02:36:49,640
Yes.

2453
02:36:49,960 --> 02:36:50,200
Okay.

2454
02:36:50,360 --> 02:36:50,720
Whose second?

2455
02:36:51,060 --> 02:36:51,660
Nobody yet.

2456
02:36:51,880 --> 02:36:52,560
I didn't.

2457
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:52,900
Okay.

2458
02:36:53,060 --> 02:36:53,400
I'm sorry.

2459
02:36:53,540 --> 02:36:54,240
I did not hear you.

2460
02:36:54,600 --> 02:36:55,720
I thought I heard somebody.

2461
02:36:55,720 --> 02:36:56,040
We make the questionSAW.

2462
02:37:02,590 --> 02:37:04,830
Councilwoman Jane, councilwoman Peirot.

2463
02:37:05,890 --> 02:37:06,470
Councilwoman Ann.

2464
02:37:07,130 --> 02:37:07,790
Mayor Ann.

2465
02:37:08,290 --> 02:37:10,070
This is going to plan and zoning.

2466
02:37:10,530 --> 02:37:11,470
And just to get building hearing.

2467
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:14,390
I've got in August 26.

2468
02:37:15,370 --> 02:37:16,070
It will go.

2469
02:37:16,390 --> 02:37:16,530
Yeah.

2470
02:37:16,690 --> 02:37:18,610
August 26th for the plan and zoning.

2471
02:37:18,890 --> 02:37:19,350
Planning and zoning.

2472
02:37:19,490 --> 02:37:19,610
Yep.

2473
02:37:19,610 --> 02:37:25,130
So yeah, so so, do planning and zoning have specific time to frame to get this back to us?

2474
02:37:29,250 --> 02:37:35,630
I have to ask them to schedule the plan is she's told to go ahead and schedule it so

2475
02:37:37,630 --> 02:37:43,030
it's being referred lastly is given it's yes planning in zoning and they have to give

2476
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:47,730
it back to us before the meeting up they have to make a decision on the 26th what are they

2477
02:37:47,730 --> 02:37:52,070
making a decision on again? I guess like the wording if there's anything else that needs

2478
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:54,030
to change on the legislation to pass.

2479
02:37:54,130 --> 02:37:56,370
Looking at the zone map and taking whatever out of play.

2480
02:37:59,230 --> 02:38:02,450
End section chapter 245.

2481
02:38:04,030 --> 02:38:04,670
OK, next.

2482
02:38:05,970 --> 02:38:07,410
Mary and Council, action items.

2483
02:38:07,650 --> 02:38:08,150
Council person.

2484
02:38:08,670 --> 02:38:09,310
No, it's time.

2485
02:38:09,690 --> 02:38:10,390
Councilwoman James.

2486
02:38:10,770 --> 02:38:14,250
Just wanted to circle back from around one last time

2487
02:38:14,250 --> 02:38:18,830
on the lead water inventory that we still

2488
02:38:18,830 --> 02:38:20,290
have not gotten an update.

2489
02:38:20,550 --> 02:38:22,950
Another update on us to where they are with that.

2490
02:38:24,290 --> 02:38:27,850
with that. I think Leslie got something else for mail without

2491
02:38:27,850 --> 02:38:29,290
any way today.

2492
02:38:29,710 --> 02:38:31,630
Now that's something totally different.

2493
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:35,130
The three-year lead water tests that we have to have done,

2494
02:38:35,850 --> 02:38:40,610
we have to have 20 residents, 20 or 25 residents,

2495
02:38:41,150 --> 02:38:43,370
burdened water samples in, we have the bottles in mind,

2496
02:38:44,070 --> 02:38:46,550
and said that they can be tested for lead.

2497
02:38:48,930 --> 02:38:50,570
But this is the next part.

2498
02:38:52,450 --> 02:38:55,050
I don't think that was a part of what they're supposed to be doing.

2499
02:38:55,350 --> 02:38:56,070
That's a separate story.

2500
02:38:56,190 --> 02:39:00,290
That was through Grouch that we did not find the software for.

2501
02:39:00,570 --> 02:39:03,770
So I'm going to have to contact them and find out where we get from here.

2502
02:39:04,090 --> 02:39:08,210
Because we have a deadline coming up in October for something that's

2503
02:39:08,210 --> 02:39:09,630
due in this led board of work.

2504
02:39:10,050 --> 02:39:12,710
But I thought that was a part of what they should be doing.

2505
02:39:13,310 --> 02:39:16,530
They should be training the scope of work that they signed with us that they

2506
02:39:16,530 --> 02:39:18,630
I don't think he was going to follow up with his son.

2507
02:39:18,650 --> 02:39:18,770
Yeah.

2508
02:39:18,850 --> 02:39:20,070
About that at one of the meetings.

2509
02:39:20,470 --> 02:39:20,610
Yeah.

2510
02:39:20,850 --> 02:39:22,650
So put that on your list to follow up with them.

2511
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:24,550
For those, it was his son that I think.

2512
02:39:24,810 --> 02:39:26,190
Especially his son went through with the EPA.

2513
02:39:26,530 --> 02:39:26,930
I'm not sure.

2514
02:39:27,010 --> 02:39:31,590
I know October was one of the dates on that timeline that we had.

2515
02:39:31,810 --> 02:39:32,290
But I wasn't.

2516
02:39:32,310 --> 02:39:32,730
I'm not sure.

2517
02:39:33,010 --> 02:39:35,410
I would have to go back and go and see exactly which.

2518
02:39:35,410 --> 02:39:36,790
I have that timeline.

2519
02:39:37,170 --> 02:39:40,170
I would be glad to receive a copy of emails.

2520
02:39:41,010 --> 02:39:41,810
But we do have it.

2521
02:39:42,130 --> 02:39:44,490
There was a timeline when we did like the-

2522
02:39:44,490 --> 02:39:51,730
And Lindsay should actually have it too with the timeline from the scope of work that they got who were doing it.

2523
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:53,090
I'm asking her as well.

2524
02:39:53,210 --> 02:39:55,870
But I'll look in there and see if I got it still in my question.

2525
02:39:56,010 --> 02:39:57,550
It may be somebody else in the email.

2526
02:39:57,690 --> 02:39:58,790
I just have to search for it.

2527
02:39:58,890 --> 02:40:00,930
But that did with the other stuff that I searched for.

2528
02:40:01,570 --> 02:40:01,930
Sorry.

2529
02:40:05,580 --> 02:40:06,860
Okay, is that it?

2530
02:40:07,500 --> 02:40:08,540
Oh, yeah, that's all I have.

2531
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:10,820
Oh, councilwoman.

2532
02:40:11,080 --> 02:40:13,740
So just to remind people,

2533
02:40:13,740 --> 02:40:19,100
So we have the farmer's market and music on the merchant bunch that other than that.

2534
02:40:22,190 --> 02:40:23,090
Thank you.

2535
02:40:23,290 --> 02:40:24,030
Thank you.

2536
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:32,630
I just would like to share, I was reading with some data centers, were being completely

2537
02:40:32,630 --> 02:40:44,330
banned and I found we're in Hartford County, some residents living near a golf court, golf

2538
02:40:44,330 --> 02:40:44,630
court.

2539
02:40:44,630 --> 02:40:49,070
and they found out that a data center was coming there.

2540
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:52,550
So they had lived there for years.

2541
02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:53,770
It was family property.

2542
02:40:54,250 --> 02:40:56,090
Their daughter was next to them,

2543
02:40:56,610 --> 02:40:58,550
the granddaughter across the street.

2544
02:40:59,410 --> 02:41:03,410
And then across that street was another family member.

2545
02:41:04,050 --> 02:41:10,130
So what they did, they created a grass group,

2546
02:41:10,130 --> 02:41:16,950
Grassroot advocate group, and they came together because they didn't want it.

2547
02:41:16,990 --> 02:41:19,910
They didn't want it in the environment because of their children.

2548
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:37,670
And so, what they did, they came together and they got a build that was the county,

2549
02:41:37,670 --> 02:41:47,670
I guess the county voted on it because the grassroot pushed back and it

2550
02:41:47,670 --> 02:41:55,790
passed seven to zero. It was approved. It was completely banned. And this was maybe

2551
02:41:55,790 --> 02:42:06,950
in April and it was approved in June. Let me make sure I got it. June 10th, 2026.

2552
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:22,670
So I'm bringing this up because a lot of the residents that live on 21632 that are not considered town, can't vote, town, but do have a voice.

2553
02:42:22,670 --> 02:42:32,650
These individuals, the residents are well and could be affected if this data center comes

2554
02:42:32,650 --> 02:42:35,530
right behind the metal group in their homes.

2555
02:42:36,950 --> 02:42:48,810
So we as a council, we hear you, but if you research how from Harvard County and look

2556
02:42:48,810 --> 02:42:55,910
look at what they did. And that said they took. It might be a great resource for me.

2557
02:42:56,530 --> 02:42:59,830
I think Harper County has some of the same issues that we have here in Vettelstrand. They're

2558
02:42:59,830 --> 02:43:07,110
way bigger than us. They have a way bigger than us and they've been so they did not take

2559
02:43:07,110 --> 02:43:14,030
more for it to be bigger than us. Right. So, our culture and Bob Cassley, their county executive

2560
02:43:14,030 --> 02:43:18,790
was on the radio today. He flat out said the reason that they've banned it was because

2561
02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:23,610
because of power and because of Maryland's power policies,

2562
02:43:24,170 --> 02:43:27,110
they could not ensure that all of their residents

2563
02:43:27,110 --> 02:43:29,370
would have power over a data center.

2564
02:43:29,570 --> 02:43:31,010
And that Maryland is pushing data centers,

2565
02:43:31,010 --> 02:43:33,090
but until Maryland fixes power issues,

2566
02:43:34,090 --> 02:43:35,830
that's why Hartford County, man,

2567
02:43:35,930 --> 02:43:36,790
because of the power.

2568
02:43:36,850 --> 02:43:38,810
And that you need a knee, a reason,

2569
02:43:39,150 --> 02:43:41,870
because that was Bob Kassley's reason.

2570
02:43:42,230 --> 02:43:44,110
I was just, I was just,

2571
02:43:44,210 --> 02:43:46,290
I needed a indoctrinated part.

2572
02:43:47,090 --> 02:43:51,970
I heard Bob Cassley's a one WBAL today, yeah, Bob Cassley because they was, they

2573
02:43:51,970 --> 02:43:57,130
is the reason that Bob has a red war. He told me when they, when C4 and Brian

2574
02:43:57,130 --> 02:44:00,390
Neiman asked him, well, Brian Neiman's office, C4 asked him, why did you

2575
02:44:00,390 --> 02:44:05,190
guys ban it? He said, because Marilyn cannot supply power to us, we

2576
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:09,630
import all of our power. Therefore, like, we are not willing to give up our power

2577
02:44:09,630 --> 02:44:13,410
of our residents now. They would say, well, if you're, well, I mean, if it's power

2578
02:44:13,410 --> 02:44:17,890
self-sufficient, right? That's a different story. But they're all so powerful and I'd be 100%

2579
02:44:17,890 --> 02:44:23,950
interested. But the thing is, that's not the only reason why, I know that's what you're

2580
02:44:23,950 --> 02:44:28,730
seeing. He said on that podcast or whatever he was on. That's not the only reason why. And I

2581
02:44:28,730 --> 02:44:32,630
encourage you because it's not my job to tell you and to eat you anything. I want you to be

2582
02:44:32,630 --> 02:44:37,250
just as informed as I am and anybody else. I want you to go and I want you to reach out to

2583
02:44:37,250 --> 02:44:40,270
some of their council members and I want you to reach out to some of the people that's in

2584
02:44:40,270 --> 02:44:43,210
and perpetually and ask them what were the other reasons.

2585
02:44:43,970 --> 02:44:46,970
I know where, I mean, I know where it wasn't just a great idea.

2586
02:44:47,490 --> 02:44:49,270
It just wasn't hard.

2587
02:44:49,970 --> 02:44:53,310
I think that people are texting yourself by saying there's a reason,

2588
02:44:53,490 --> 02:44:55,350
like there's a house to reason that this,

2589
02:44:55,530 --> 02:44:57,430
they're doing what I'm allowed in.

2590
02:44:57,650 --> 02:44:58,490
I haven't got it.

2591
02:44:58,690 --> 02:44:59,230
I don't want to help.

2592
02:44:59,290 --> 02:44:59,730
We're all speaking.

2593
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,860
I was not finished speaking. The council voted, as I said, 7 to 0. They approved it under emergency

2594
02:45:13,520 --> 02:45:27,920
legislation and it's bill 26-011. So it can be done, but the community that is ineffective

2595
02:45:27,920 --> 02:45:36,520
it needs to come together. You have a voice. You can do the pushback. Roll up your sleeves.

2596
02:45:38,320 --> 02:45:44,700
Do what you need to do to speak out, to speak up, to stand up. This is your community

2597
02:45:44,700 --> 02:45:45,160
as well.

2598
02:45:48,360 --> 02:45:49,380
Just don't sit back.

2599
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:55,140
That's all I have to say. Okay, thank you.

2600
02:45:57,900 --> 02:45:58,780
We have all that

2601
02:45:58,780 --> 02:46:02,940
coming up this weekend. Thank you for please show up and support Parks and

2602
02:46:02,940 --> 02:46:06,400
Rec and all the activities that are going on this weekend. They work really hard.

2603
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:14,980
Do you put on free events for the kids? And then I have one thing that came

2604
02:46:14,980 --> 02:46:20,580
up this afternoon that we need to discuss. So can I have a request for a closed

2605
02:46:20,580 --> 02:46:27,100
session real quick? It'll be quick for legal advice. So you guys can go by

2606
02:46:27,100 --> 02:46:29,740
I can have a motion if you want to close this motion and go on to close this motion.

2607
02:46:29,840 --> 02:46:31,960
Thank you guys, don't leave me.