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- The CACJ is a nonprofit focused on restorative justice,

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a system of criminal justice

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that focuses on the rehabilitation of offenders

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through reconciliation with victims

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and the community, it's justice with the goal

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to heal rather than punish.

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Our five programs are pretrial supervision, youth aid panel,

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the youth counseling pilot program, mediation

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and community conferencing.

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Our program Save taxpayers over $400,000 per year,

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empower individuals

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and groups to resolve their own conflicts and are affordable

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and accessible to the community.

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To learn more or to make a referral,

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visit our website or give us a call.

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- Centre Region Parks

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and Recreation manages 56 municipal and regional parks.

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These beautiful parks offer amenities such as sports fields,

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rentable, picnic, pavilions, playgrounds, bike

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and walking trails and recreation facilities.

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Take some time to find your park

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and spend some time outdoors.

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CNET Center County's Government

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and Educational Access Network.

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- Alright, I'll call to order the Ferguson Township Board

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of Supervisors meeting for Tuesday, April 7th to order.

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Please rise as you're able

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and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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- I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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- Thank you. You may be seated

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and at this time we'll recognize the assistant Township

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to provide the meeting procedures and the call to role.

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- Thank you Chair. And thank you to the members

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of the board, staff and public for joining us this evening.

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For the April 7th, 2026 Ferguson Township Board

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of Supervisors regular meeting.

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This meeting has been properly advertised in accordance

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with the Pennsylvania Sunshine Act as a hybrid meeting

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with the option to attend virtually

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and in person here in the main meeting room.

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If you are in attendance virtually using the

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WebEx platform in which to speak.

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On behalf of an agenda item, please say your name,

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municipality of residence,

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and the topic you wish to speak on

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when the chair calls on you.

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If you were attending in person

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with us in the main meeting room

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and wish to speak on behalf of an agenda item,

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please address the board at the podium

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and state your name, municipality of residence,

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and the topic you wish to speak on.

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Members of the public attending using the WebEx platform are

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asked to remain muted during the meeting

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to prevent any ambient noise from disrupting the meeting.

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they may unmute their microphone

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for their questioning co or comment.

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Secondly, board members are asked

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to indicate their name when motioning

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or seconding a motion so

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that the minutes may accurately reflect the re,

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the reflect the action taken.

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Finally, a Roll Call of the Board

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of Supervisors will now be taken to ensure

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that all members can hear

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and interact using the WebEx platform.

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WebEx meeting platform.

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Thompson. Here. Mr. Patterson. Here. Ms. Stephens. Here.

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Mr. Heller. Here. Mr. White. Here. Chair.

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Alright. Tonight we have announcements

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and proclamations we'll start with The Board

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of Supervisors had met an executive session on March 31st

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and April 1st regarding a matter of personnel connected

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to the manager recruitment.

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We had virtually interviewed some candidates

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and hope to invite some of those candidates

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to the Township in the coming the weeks to come.

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And then we also met on April 7th

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regarding a matter of personnel.

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Tonight's proclamations.

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The first one, we have a proclamation of the Township

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of Ferguson Centre County, Pennsylvania

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to recognize April, 2026 is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

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and read this proclamation? I, yeah,

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Okay. So a proclamation of the Township

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of Ferguson Centre County, Pennsylvania to recognize April

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as sexual assault Awareness month.

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Whereas Ferguson Township joined Center safe in recognizing

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the month of April as sexual assault awareness month SAAM.

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Whereas for 25 years,

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sexual assault awareness month has supported survivors,

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raised awareness and inspired action

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to prevent sexual assault, abuse, and harassment.

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Whereas statistics show that over 53% of women

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of men reported experiencing con contact sexual violence.

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Whereas statistics show most women

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and men across all sex sexual identities

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who experienced contact sexual violence reported

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that the person who harmed them was somebody they knew.

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Whereas, as we reflect on how far we have come,

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we also recognize the work that lies ahead.

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Prevention starts with all of us.

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It is it in, I'm sorry, it is in how we support one another,

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practice consent and create spaces rooted in

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care and respect.

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When we act with intention, we move closer

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to a future free from violence.

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Whereas we honor the survivors who have shared their stories

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and the advocates who have led the way,

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their courage reminds us that prevention is possible

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and that each of us has a role to play.

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Whereas as we look to the next 25 years,

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we renew our commitment

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to building a future free from sexual violence.

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Together we can continue to strengthen prevention, support,

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healing, and create communities

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where everyone feels safe and valued.

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Now therefore, the Ferguson Township Board

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of Supervisors does hereby designate April, 2026

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as sexual assault awareness month.

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We call upon public officials, educators,

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and residents of our Township honoring 25 years

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of awareness and support.

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Every voice matters, every action counts.

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By standing in solidarity,

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we can build a future free from sexual violence

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and create a world where everyone is safe, valued,

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and respected for claim.

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The seventh day of April, 2026.

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- And do we have a motion to adopt a proclamation? Ari?

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So moved. This is Patty. I'll second. Okay.

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Got a motion by Mr. Patterson. Second by Ms. Stephens.

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I can either open up for board discussion

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or I do believe we also have some

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of our community partners here on this,

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on this important topic as well.

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We can even entertain comment and some remarks from them.

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Please do alright. If not, at this time I'll invite Ms.

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Penn sake up to the podium here.

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- I always feel very short at this microphone.

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Hi everybody, my name is Jennifer Penick

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and I'm the Executive director of Center Save.

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And I just wanna thank you all so much

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for helping us honor April

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as Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

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For those who are not familiar with Center Safe.

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Center Safe, we really are the safety net

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for all victims and survivors.

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So we're actually celebrating our 50th anniversary.

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We started as the Centre County Women's Resource Center way

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back when in 1975.

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Very much started in itty bitty small room.

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And now fast forward five decades

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and we have three different locations physically.

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So one in State College, two in Bellmont.

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But we really provide services all over Centre County.

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We, we are in north, south, east, and west.

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We are everywhere. And unfortunately,

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center Safe is an incredibly high demand.

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On average, we pour around, I would say 900

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or so domestic violence survivors every single year.

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That's just in Centre County.

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Add to that number, another 200

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or so sexual assault survivors every single year.

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Add to that number, another 200 individuals

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and families needing emergency shelter

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and housing during the year.

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Now add to that number, another 1200 to 1500 calls

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to our hotline.

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And again, so much of that is primarily just Centre County.

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So there's absolutely a bubble over Happy Valley, right?

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But I always say there's a lot

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that happens inside of this bubble.

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So our approach is we're not going to shy away from it.

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We're going to say the words out loud.

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We're going to use the correct words out loud.

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'cause the more that we kind of give into the scariness

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of it, and the more that we're like, don't, don't,

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don't talk about that peop you know,

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people are gonna think the area's not

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safe or all those pieces.

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That's actually when abusers win.

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But the more that we can say, Hey, this happens here,

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this happens everywhere, let's talk about it.

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That's where we see more of that empowerment,

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and that's where we see victims

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and survivors able to thrive.

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But center safe, we provide everything from emergency

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shelter and housing to counseling, advocacy, support groups.

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We have our 24 7 hotline.

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We are the agency that gets called out to Mount Ni Hospital

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Could be two o'clock in the morning,

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could be two o'clock in the afternoon.

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Whenever there's someone who is getting a sexual assault

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exam or a domestic violence exam, we are there really

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to be their person and help them through that process.

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And anyone who has either gone through those exams

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or known someone who's gone through them, they are not

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quick, you know, trauma free processes, right?

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So we wanna make sure that there are people

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there who can support them.

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So we are there to do that for folks.

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We also provide no cost legal services

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through our civil legal representation project.

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So that imagine if you are fleeing violence

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or you are navigating, you know, interactions

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with your perpetrator, whether it's

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through sexual assault or otherwise.

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and you didn't have an attorney.

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that would look like for them?

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Or if someone was navigating the Title IX process,

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let's say at Penn State,

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and they didn't have a support person with them, again, we,

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we can be that person for them.

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In Bellmont, we also have our child's access center,

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which is where people go for supervised visits

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and safe custody exchange.

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So again, our goal is one day, we're not needed,

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it's just we're not anywhere close to that yet.

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But we wanna make sure that victim survivors

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and their loved ones feel supported.

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So as April serving

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as National Sexual Assault Awareness Month,

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CENTERE is looking to spread awareness

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and education throughout Centre County.

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Emphasizing the theme of looking back, moving forward,

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turning awareness into Action

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Center safe again continues celebrating our 50th

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anniversary, honoring decades of tireless work,

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supporting victims and survivors.

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So as we honor the work of Center Safe, we also want

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to honor the lived experiences of thousands,

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and I mean thousands of victims

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and survivors who have had to navigate trauma and healing.

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We must remember that sexual assault at its core is a

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devastating abuse of power.

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One that affects people of every identity.

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It's on all of us to stand up and speak out against it.

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Not only to improve the laws

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and services available to victims and survivors,

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but also to change the culture

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and change the attitudes that allow sexual assault

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to remain so pervasive.

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Turning awareness into action shows Pennsylvania's journey

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to ending sexual abuse, assault, and harassment.

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It honors the survivors, the advocates, and the centers.

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I will add the Centers doing work 24 7 across the state,

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often with insufficient funding,

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but we can talk about that later.

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Those who came before

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and those who will continue to work

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to build stronger communities.

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This theme asks everyone in Pennsylvania

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to turn awareness into real, authentic action.

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That means creating safety, supporting healing,

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and making lasting change.

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Center safe is holding a variety of events and initiatives.

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This month we started with Take Back The Night,

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which brought a few hundred folks to campus to March

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and to share their stories, many of whom share their stories

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for the very first time.

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And more than that, said the words out loud

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for the very first time.

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We then held our in Full Voice Benefit concert raising

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critical funds for Center Safe.

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And we continue efforts with tonight's proclamation.

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I'm also visiting all of the townships in our region

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to talk more about Center Safe

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and Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

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Other events this month include the, what were you wearing?

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Survivor Art Installation on April 10th.

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I'm traveling to Harrisburg April 21st for advocacy day.

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And then there's Honoring Survival April 22nd

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and Denim Day, April 29th.

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So people can learn more about all of our events at

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www.centere.org/sams AAM m,

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we also have a wonderful Twilight dinner,

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which is a fundraiser

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for Center Safe at Pine Grove Hall on April 23rd.

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There's more information on our website there.

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Remember that each person gets to make choices.

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One of them being if they are going to authentically support

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survivors, there are gestures, both big

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and small, that shows victims

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and survivors if others are being

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authentic in their support.

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So let's show all victims

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and survivors that they are seen, they are heard

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and they are believed.

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Thank you very much. I'm happy

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to answer any questions folks might have.

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- Any questions for Jennifer? Mr. Haller,

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- First Jennifer, thank you for everything that you do

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and everything that Center Safe does.

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I, your names have been throughout the community

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for many years and the work

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that you do does not go unnoticed, so thank you.

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I do want to ask this.

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Pro reading proclamations are great for awareness. Sure.

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But as an individual, what can we do

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if we visit the website?

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Are there ways for us to help out as individuals

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- Always center safe

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and every nonprofit, you'll not see us turn many

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folks or many things away.

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And again, this month is really about

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'cause awareness is, is important.

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But, you know, show me the person who, who isn't aware

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that there's sexual assault and domestic violence,

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but it's more, okay, we, we are aware that's key.

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Now what are we going to do about it?

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So if we all agree that sexual assault is really,

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really bad, which I think we all do well,

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what do we wanna do to make a change?

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And sometimes people feel stuck

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because they feel like it's such a huge issue

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and what can I possibly do?

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But that's why I say even small gestures, it could be, oh,

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I have some time to volunteer.

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Or certainly I could wear denim the end of the month

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and post a photo and tag center safe in it, right?

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So it could be really small things,

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but I always say treat each other as human beings.

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So, you know, make eye contact with people

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when someone looks down, ask them how they're doing,

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ask them how you can help them be aware of the resources.

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So things that really, I would consider

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like the low hanging fruit.

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But it's, it's still really important.

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But certainly I think a, a big thing,

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especially at this time is advocating for center Safe

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and those who are doing that kind of work, you know, talking

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with your legislators, I'll just say in the state budget,

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for example, the rape crisis line item has not seen a,

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an increase in six consecutive years.

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So when there's level funding after level funding,

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after level funding and our demand is growing and growing

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and growing, you can imagine what we are having to,

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you know, deal with, right?

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So it could be donating to Center Safe,

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it could be donating time,

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it could be just spreading the word on social media.

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There's just, there, there, there's so many things.

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But I would encourage folks though, to examine

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what are they not just comfortable doing,

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but even like go outside your box a little bit, right?

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And just maybe I need to learn a little bit more about this.

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Maybe I need to ask some more questions.

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Maybe I need to have some conversations with somebody

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that maybe I was kind of putting off.

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It's kind of all those things.

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I hope that answers your question.

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I'm like, everything, anything and everything is helpful.

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- Thank you. That is very helpful. Yes.

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So I appreciate that. Thank you.

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- Sure. - Anyone else?

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- Otherwise, - I was gonna say I'm open to any remarks from

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the board or even, even staff.

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- You know, - I have nothing to say other than everything

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that you said was amazing

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and thank you. Thank you for the work

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- You're doing.

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Thank you. Well thanks everybody. That was easy.

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- Appreciate it.

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- And looking in the audience, either online

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or virtually, just wanted

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to give one more opportunity if anyone else had any remarks

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they wanted to share.

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Not seeing none, we do have a motion on the table.

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All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

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Say no.

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- Right. - Proclamation has been adopted.

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Next proclamation is recognizing April 18th, 2026

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is the 30th annual watershed cleanup day.

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Anyone wanted to read this proclamation?

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If not, I will read a proclamation of Township

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of Ferguson Centre County, Pennsylvania

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to recognize April 18th, 2026.

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This is the 30th annual watershed cleanup day.

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Whereas on April 18th, 2026 30th,

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annual Watershed cleanup day will take place.

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And whereas this event is organized

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by Clearwater Conservancy, a nonprofit organization

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that strives to promote environmental outreach

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and stewardship of the area's water resources.

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And where Ferguson Township affirms its commitment

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to environmental stewardship

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and preserving the quality of life in its mission statement

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and strategic plan.

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And whereas the watershed cleanup day, there are a number

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of local sites and projects in need of volunteers.

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And whereas this day is an opportunity

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for community involvement, environmental education,

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and protection of our natural resources.

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And whereas last year, 664 volunteers

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pro prevent, prevented, prevented,

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prevented 12,860 pounds of trash from

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entering our waterways across 69 states.

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So that is correct. Great job.

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And now therefore the Ferguson Township Board

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of Supervisors does hereby designate April 18th, 2026 is

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watershed cleanup day.

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We encourage all residents, family

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and friends of all ages to volunteer for watershed cleanup.

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Day 2026.

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And you can visit the Clearwater Conservancy

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website@clearwaterconservancy.org slash watershed

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cleanup day. And do we have a motion?

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- This is Matt. So moved. - And do we have a second?

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- This is Patty. I'll second.

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- I've got a motion by Mr. Heller. Second by Ms. Stephens.

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Did we have any representatives from Clearwater

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Conservancy with us this evening?

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Okay, if not, I would open up the floor if any members

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of the public had any remarks

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that they wanted to share on this.

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Otherwise I, I think both in the proclamation,

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the agenda there is

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and I think we also will usually we have done like a news

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story or social media blast of this upcoming event.

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So you can go online to learn

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how you can get involved in volunteer.

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Any remarks from the board? Ms. Stephens?

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- I'll just say I had signed up online

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to be a psych coordinator.

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Oh. So I will, if anybody wants to join me,

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I think I said I'd be interested in cleaning up

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along VI Boulevard.

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So anybody wants to join me, sign up online

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and say you wanna work on Vira Boulevard.

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- Alright. All right. - Come on.

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You know you want to Omari,

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- I have to see if there's something on Blue Course I do.

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So it looks like some of us here are getting involved

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and anyone else, if not all those in favor

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of adopting the proclamation say aye.

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Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no. Alright.

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The proclamation has hereby been adopted.

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Next proclamation will be recognizing April 25th, 2026

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as the TA Ferguson Township Arbor Day.

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Would anyone like to take this proclamation?

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Get that to you There. I got it. Oh,

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- Okay.

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We're good. We good. Alright. 2026 Arbor Day proclamation.

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Whereas in 1872, Jay Sterling Morton proposed

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to the Nebraska Board of Agriculture

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that a special day be set aside for planting of trees.

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And whereas President Theodore Roosevelt in 1907 issued an

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Arbor Day proclamation to school children owing that

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when you help to preserve our forests

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or to plant new ones, you are acting the part

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of good citizens.

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And whereas this holiday called Arbor Day has since grown

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into a global event celebrating tree planting and care.

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And whereas the citizens of Ferguson Township

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and custodians of many thousands of trees of a variety

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of species which combat the effects of climate change,

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increased property values, lower utility costs,

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enhance the economic vitality of business areas,

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prolong the lifespan of infrastructure

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and beautify the community.

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And whereas Ferguson Township recognizes

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that trees are a source of joy and spiritual renewal.

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Now therefore the Ferguson Township Board

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of Supervisors does hereby proclaim Saturday,

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April 25th, 2026 to be Ferguson Township Arbor Day

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and urges all citizens to celebrate

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and support efforts to protect trees

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and woodlands in our community.

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- Alright, do we have a motion?

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This is Patty Summer and do we have a second?

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- This is Trevor. I'll - Second. Okay. Got a motion by Ms.

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Stephens, second by Mr. White tonight's proclamation.

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We are pleased to share his printed on a variety

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of different paper forest products from actual paper

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that's been processed to just a piece

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of timber that's been saw.

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So I want to thank our wonderful urban forester

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who I'm gonna introduce Larry McInnis for providing that.

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And he is got a couple handouts and props

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and signs and flags.

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And I was gonna say,

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did you even pull out the bucket truck from the shed?

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One area. Thanks. I'm sorry. Alright. Right.

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Thank you.

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- Thank you Larry.

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- Thank you folks. I appreciate the opportunity.

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Larry McGinnis, urban Forester, Ferguson Township.

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Ay is a really big deal for somebody like me.

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I've said it before, it's at Christmas, new Year's

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and 4th of July, all wrapped into one.

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We're actually celebrating the hundred 54th Arbor Day.

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Some interesting facts.

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Dave Sterling Norton, his son actually founded Morton Salt.

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So if you have Morton Salt, you are, oh,

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if you haven't the cabinet, you are related

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to Arbor Day in some way, shape, or form.

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So anyway, so I'm inviting you all to participate in

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this year's Arbor Day celebration.

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Our theme is 10 years as a tree city USA.

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That is a very big deal.

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Approximately 3,500 across the country.

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When it comes to Tree City,

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00:23:35,467 --> 00:23:37,300
you're either on the bus or you're off the bus.

524
00:23:37,634 --> 00:23:39,066
And thankfully we are on the bus

525
00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:43,567
and making great strides here in the Township in regards

526
00:23:43,567 --> 00:23:48,000
to preserving and promoting our trees in order

527
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,066
to earn this accreditation.

528
00:23:49,734 --> 00:23:52,634
You might have seen the signs as you enter the Township,

529
00:23:52,634 --> 00:23:54,300
we have 'em placed in various locations

530
00:23:54,300 --> 00:23:55,300
as you enter the Township.

531
00:23:55,367 --> 00:23:57,700
And of course I hang those banners over,

532
00:23:57,700 --> 00:23:59,100
you see in the corner wherever I can.

533
00:23:59,667 --> 00:24:02,567
And essentially four core standards.

534
00:24:03,133 --> 00:24:06,767
One is to have a, a tree commission, which we do made up

535
00:24:06,767 --> 00:24:11,467
of some very dedicated citizens, some of 'em employees,

536
00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:12,934
professors at Penn State,

537
00:24:13,834 --> 00:24:17,500
and also representative of various areas

538
00:24:17,667 --> 00:24:18,767
of the Township as well.

539
00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:23,500
We require, requires a tree Ordinance.

540
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,033
We actually have one

541
00:24:25,033 --> 00:24:27,133
of the most progressive tree ordinances in the region.

542
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:30,066
So we certainly check that box.

543
00:24:30,533 --> 00:24:33,834
Spend at least 2000 or 2000, I wish.

544
00:24:34,133 --> 00:24:36,700
No, at least $2 per capita.

545
00:24:37,934 --> 00:24:41,700
$2 per citizen towards the maintenance

546
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:42,734
and promoting of trees.

547
00:24:43,433 --> 00:24:47,367
And then of course, Arbor Day proclamation and observance.

548
00:24:47,867 --> 00:24:49,233
So we capture all those.

549
00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:53,000
This is our 10th year, so it's kind of a, kind

550
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,367
of a big deal, special award with some additional, you know,

551
00:24:57,500 --> 00:25:01,033
I'll be flying a different flag this year, so, very good.

552
00:25:01,533 --> 00:25:05,500
Anyways, this event's gonna be held in Autumn Park, again,

553
00:25:05,867 --> 00:25:09,867
April 25th from 11 to one o'clock with a host

554
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:11,567
of host of events.

555
00:25:11,834 --> 00:25:12,834
A lot of 'em like arts

556
00:25:12,834 --> 00:25:14,333
and crafts, which seem to be a big hit.

557
00:25:14,333 --> 00:25:16,467
You know, everybody makes the tree cooking necklaces

558
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:18,066
and things like that.

559
00:25:18,166 --> 00:25:22,567
We'll have a ceremonial tree planting where everybody,

560
00:25:22,734 --> 00:25:26,133
you know, every one of all ages help participate in planting

561
00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:28,066
some trees in Ottman Park.

562
00:25:29,233 --> 00:25:31,500
We'll have a tree walk hosted by the chair

563
00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:36,033
of the tree commission, free tree seedling giveaway every

564
00:25:36,033 --> 00:25:41,000
year the tree commission tries to promote specific species

565
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:43,767
of trees in order to maximize diversity within

566
00:25:43,900 --> 00:25:45,100
our urban forest.

567
00:25:45,266 --> 00:25:48,367
And each one of those size classes will be represented,

568
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,000
so like red buds and black gums and, you know, sycamores.

569
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,367
So various, various size classes be enough for everybody.

570
00:25:55,834 --> 00:25:57,300
So that's always a very big hit.

571
00:25:57,367 --> 00:25:59,300
We usually don't have any leftovers.

572
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,100
We have bucket truck rides, which is always the big hit

573
00:26:04,367 --> 00:26:06,467
that's really big hit.

574
00:26:06,734 --> 00:26:08,133
So if you, I have an opportunity

575
00:26:08,133 --> 00:26:10,066
and you're not afraid of heights, please, we'll,

576
00:26:10,066 --> 00:26:11,066
we'll get you up in the air.

577
00:26:12,033 --> 00:26:15,233
I started putting lollipops in all the, in, in the trees

578
00:26:15,367 --> 00:26:17,567
and actually send the children up to go pick,

579
00:26:17,867 --> 00:26:19,000
pick their lollipops.

580
00:26:19,033 --> 00:26:21,567
So it's, it's awesome until they want to get one

581
00:26:21,567 --> 00:26:23,467
of every flavor, I gotta bring 'em down.

582
00:26:23,467 --> 00:26:27,033
Yeah, so, so

583
00:26:27,834 --> 00:26:29,300
it'd be light fruit and refreshments there.

584
00:26:29,634 --> 00:26:33,233
And of course we also invite our, some of our partners

585
00:26:33,233 --> 00:26:34,500
to table at the event.

586
00:26:34,667 --> 00:26:39,533
So last year we had four or five nonprofits join us

587
00:26:39,567 --> 00:26:42,567
and help promote what we do and what they do.

588
00:26:42,634 --> 00:26:44,000
So it's a, it's a great time.

589
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,333
I invite you lastly, one

590
00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:50,834
of the reason we picked Autumn Wood Park was to kind of,

591
00:26:50,867 --> 00:26:52,033
you know, share it.

592
00:26:52,033 --> 00:26:55,867
You know, we've been Intu Park, we were in Haymarket,

593
00:26:56,033 --> 00:26:57,700
which was a wonderful location as well.

594
00:26:57,734 --> 00:27:01,266
Now we're moving to Aut Wood to help focus on that,

595
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:04,834
that community and also for,

596
00:27:06,300 --> 00:27:09,000
we're being joined at the end of the event,

597
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,500
we're being joined by a, an organization called kaboom

598
00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:15,367
to get some involvement, some involvement from some

599
00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:16,867
of the children actually attending the event

600
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:20,033
to help design the playground.

601
00:27:20,133 --> 00:27:23,300
So if you're not familiar with kaboom, they unite federal,

602
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:24,533
state, and local entities

603
00:27:25,333 --> 00:27:27,133
and other partners to build kid designed,

604
00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:29,033
community led play spaces.

605
00:27:29,567 --> 00:27:32,000
So we're gonna join the boat together

606
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,767
and hopefully, you know, get even a bigger crowd.

607
00:27:34,033 --> 00:27:35,100
Last year was really big.

608
00:27:35,133 --> 00:27:36,233
It was a very impressive,

609
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:39,767
a news agency showed up and everything like that.

610
00:27:39,934 --> 00:27:41,500
So it was quite, quite a good time.

611
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:46,000
I invite you, invite you to join us. So thank you very much.

612
00:27:47,033 --> 00:27:49,000
- Thank you. Thank - You. Any questions?

613
00:27:49,467 --> 00:27:54,333
- Any questions or remarks? Nothing. Thank you.

614
00:27:54,333 --> 00:27:59,066
That, thank you. I was gonna say,

615
00:27:59,066 --> 00:28:01,000
if there is no further remarks from the board,

616
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,567
all those in favor of adopting the proclamation say aye.

617
00:28:03,734 --> 00:28:07,867
Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no. Right.

618
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:12,300
Proclamation is hereby adopted on paper as well as timber.

619
00:28:16,667 --> 00:28:20,367
And our next proclamation will be recognizing the week

620
00:28:20,367 --> 00:28:24,033
of April 12th through the 18th as Rural Road Safety Week.

621
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:27,000
This is a rural road.

622
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,133
Safety week has been a recognized week by

623
00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:35,233
the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau who has had a robust

624
00:28:36,133 --> 00:28:40,066
safety program on this since the year 2000.

625
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:43,834
And considering our township's rich agricultural heritage,

626
00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:46,300
as well as even some feedback on

627
00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:49,533
navigating our rural roads in the Township,

628
00:28:49,767 --> 00:28:52,300
I think it's important that we recognize

629
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:59,100
safety as we see an increase in farm equipment

630
00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,934
and other traffic on our rural roads this time of the year

631
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,700
and basically throughout the year until harvest comes.

632
00:29:06,734 --> 00:29:09,233
So I will read the

633
00:29:09,233 --> 00:29:13,266
proclamation this.

634
00:29:13,266 --> 00:29:16,266
So this is Proclamation the Fergus Ferguson Centre County,

635
00:29:16,266 --> 00:29:18,367
Pennsylvania to recognize the week of April 12th

636
00:29:18,367 --> 00:29:22,100
through the 18th 2026 as Rural Road Safety Week.

637
00:29:22,133 --> 00:29:25,500
Whereas Ferguson Township's identity has long been rooted in

638
00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:28,100
its agricultural heritage, which generations

639
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,000
of farm families stewarding the land, contributing

640
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,066
to the local economy

641
00:29:32,567 --> 00:29:35,100
and shaping the rural character that remains central

642
00:29:35,233 --> 00:29:36,934
to the township's sense of place.

643
00:29:37,266 --> 00:29:40,467
And whereas the Township's Road network supports essential

644
00:29:40,467 --> 00:29:43,834
agricultural activity, including the seasonal movement

645
00:29:43,834 --> 00:29:46,133
of large farm equipment, livestock transport,

646
00:29:46,133 --> 00:29:47,266
and daily operations

647
00:29:47,266 --> 00:29:51,000
that sustain local food production preserve open space.

648
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:54,033
And whereas each spring brings increased agricultural

649
00:29:54,333 --> 00:29:56,867
activity on Township roads requiring heightened awareness

650
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:01,133
patients and caution from all who traveled these routes.

651
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:04,500
And whereas the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau's Rural Road Safety

652
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:08,333
Program established in 2000 provides vital education about

653
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:10,266
the unique challenges of rural travel,

654
00:30:10,266 --> 00:30:13,634
including interactions with slow moving vehicles

655
00:30:13,634 --> 00:30:15,634
and oversized agricultural equipment.

656
00:30:16,133 --> 00:30:19,266
And whereas Rural Road Safety Week is a collaborative effort

657
00:30:19,266 --> 00:30:20,767
of the Pennsylvania Farm Bureau,

658
00:30:20,867 --> 00:30:22,066
the Pennsylvania State Police,

659
00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:23,934
and the departments of agriculture

660
00:30:24,233 --> 00:30:27,266
and transportation to promote safe driving practices,

661
00:30:27,667 --> 00:30:29,100
reduce roadway incidents

662
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,033
and protect lives across the commonwealth.

663
00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:34,066
And whereas Ferguson Township recognizes

664
00:30:34,066 --> 00:30:37,033
that safe rural roads depend on shared responsibility,

665
00:30:37,500 --> 00:30:40,100
encouraging motorists to slow down, remain attenti

666
00:30:40,667 --> 00:30:43,500
and pass with care, reminding farmers to operate equipment

667
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:45,000
with visibility and caution

668
00:30:45,333 --> 00:30:47,533
and supporting all who use Township roads,

669
00:30:47,533 --> 00:30:50,100
including pedestrians and bicyclists

670
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,000
and traveling, traveling predictably

671
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,867
and respectfully within the shared rural environment.

672
00:30:55,333 --> 00:30:58,734
And whereas promoting Rural Road Safety strengthens

673
00:30:58,734 --> 00:31:01,100
partnership between the agricultural community

674
00:31:01,266 --> 00:31:03,066
and the broader public, ensuring

675
00:31:03,066 --> 00:31:06,000
that Ferguson Township roads remain safe, functional,

676
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,233
and welcoming for everyone who depends on them.

677
00:31:08,734 --> 00:31:10,533
Now therefore, the board of Supervisors,

678
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:13,266
the Ferguson Township does hereby proclaim the week

679
00:31:13,333 --> 00:31:15,500
of April 12th through the 18th.

680
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:19,066
2026 is Rural Road Safety Week in Ferguson Township

681
00:31:19,567 --> 00:31:21,567
encourages all residents, motorists, farmers

682
00:31:22,066 --> 00:31:24,500
and roadway users to join in raising awareness,

683
00:31:24,767 --> 00:31:26,500
practicing safe roadway habits

684
00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:29,333
and supporting efforts that protect lives on our

685
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,834
roads. And do we have a motion?

686
00:31:33,166 --> 00:31:36,033
- This is Patty. So moved. - And do we have a second? This

687
00:31:36,033 --> 00:31:37,033
- Is Matt second.

688
00:31:37,033 --> 00:31:39,100
- Got a motion by Ms. Stephens, second by Mr. Heller.

689
00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:41,266
Any discussion? I

690
00:31:43,233 --> 00:31:45,333
- Was this requested by anybody specifically

691
00:31:45,333 --> 00:31:48,066
or just more of like a this is a thing

692
00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:50,000
that exists on the calendar and we're gonna,

693
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:52,567
- This was a thing that exists on the calendar

694
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:56,700
and you know, to, to be honest, you know, i, I

695
00:31:57,367 --> 00:31:59,767
ca came from a third generation farm family

696
00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:03,066
and understand that, you know, this

697
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:08,000
just the occupation of farming has its own challenges

698
00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:12,734
with safety, but also getting on the road can be sometimes

699
00:32:12,734 --> 00:32:13,867
even more challenging.

700
00:32:14,867 --> 00:32:17,066
Not just as a farm equipment operator,

701
00:32:17,166 --> 00:32:21,100
but even as you're sharing space with the motoring public

702
00:32:21,033 --> 00:32:23,233
that, yeah.

703
00:32:23,934 --> 00:32:24,934
So

704
00:32:25,367 --> 00:32:27,500
- Yeah, I remember we had a discussion about this too when

705
00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:30,000
we were working on the parking issue in Pine Grove Mills

706
00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:33,133
and, and someone had said that, you know, they,

707
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:35,133
they needed space for their tractor

708
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,266
'cause they take their tractor down the street.

709
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:40,266
So Right. It's something that's in our community. So

710
00:32:40,767 --> 00:32:41,767
- Yeah.

711
00:32:42,467 --> 00:32:45,000
And one thing over the years,

712
00:32:46,533 --> 00:32:48,133
well farm equipment's not getting cheaper,

713
00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:49,934
it is getting a lot larger.

714
00:32:50,033 --> 00:32:53,834
So sometimes it does come

715
00:32:53,867 --> 00:32:55,066
as a little bit of a surprise.

716
00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:57,066
It's not a little rinky-dink tractor.

717
00:32:57,033 --> 00:32:59,634
It could be a combine that's taken up

718
00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:04,834
more than just the typical car width of the roadway.

719
00:33:05,700 --> 00:33:08,066
And yeah, Mr. Haller

720
00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:10,033
- And I will just say stay tuned

721
00:33:10,033 --> 00:33:11,133
because I'm bringing trees,

722
00:33:11,634 --> 00:33:13,634
rural roads together later for what?

723
00:33:13,634 --> 00:33:17,266
An upcoming agenda item tonight. So let's go.

724
00:33:17,333 --> 00:33:21,133
This is all coming together. Okay. So thank you.

725
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:25,100
- Just going to ask if there was anyone from the public

726
00:33:25,100 --> 00:33:26,500
that had some remarks.

727
00:33:28,266 --> 00:33:29,567
I did, I did take time

728
00:33:29,567 --> 00:33:31,934
to invite some representatives from Centre County Farm

729
00:33:31,934 --> 00:33:33,266
Bureau, but they had some other

730
00:33:33,266 --> 00:33:34,700
scheduling commitments tonight.

731
00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:38,834
But as one of their members I was planning to

732
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:43,767
present the proclamation once adopted at their spring mate

733
00:33:43,767 --> 00:33:45,867
meeting that's being held later this week.

734
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,033
So one thing with farmers,

735
00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:51,133
sometimes you gotta go meet 'em out in the field

736
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:52,333
or where they're already at

737
00:33:52,867 --> 00:33:55,467
because we do have tight schedules at times.

738
00:33:56,934 --> 00:33:58,000
Mr. White.

739
00:33:58,133 --> 00:34:01,100
- Yeah, if I may. So out in the the lobby there are some

740
00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:03,033
pamphlets and I took some time to read it

741
00:34:03,433 --> 00:34:04,634
and I really appreciated this.

742
00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:07,500
The second bullet point, once you open it, is be patient

743
00:34:08,133 --> 00:34:11,100
and I really do think we need to, and if you go through

744
00:34:11,100 --> 00:34:13,066
and read it, it says following a tractor

745
00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:15,066
for two miles at 20 miles per hour takes

746
00:34:15,066 --> 00:34:16,233
only six minutes of your time.

747
00:34:16,867 --> 00:34:19,000
So I really would just like to challenge us to think about

748
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,767
how we're behaving when we're behind the wheel.

749
00:34:21,634 --> 00:34:24,266
In my experience, almost nobody becomes a better person once

750
00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:26,934
they get behind the wheel and they become a lot more irate.

751
00:34:27,166 --> 00:34:31,266
And it is very, very obvious when somebody is delayed

752
00:34:31,266 --> 00:34:33,033
for just a little bit when they peel out from an

753
00:34:33,033 --> 00:34:35,467
intersection, it is, you know, just

754
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,066
have some compassion when you're on the road. Yeah,

755
00:34:38,033 --> 00:34:39,033
- Right.

756
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:42,367
And I was gonna say, I, I also have compassion

757
00:34:42,367 --> 00:34:45,000
for the people following behind me when running equipment.

758
00:34:45,033 --> 00:34:48,700
So if I could try to get off the road at some point, I will

759
00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:51,066
as soon as I safely could do so

760
00:34:51,066 --> 00:34:54,333
otherwise yeah, you gotta pack your patients

761
00:34:55,934 --> 00:34:57,266
'cause we're not, not going all that quickly.

762
00:34:59,333 --> 00:35:02,734
Anyone else? Alright,

763
00:35:04,033 --> 00:35:07,734
I was gonna say if nothing further, all those in favor

764
00:35:07,734 --> 00:35:10,066
of adopting proclamation say aye.

765
00:35:10,266 --> 00:35:13,033
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. Right.

766
00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:15,100
Proclamation is hereby adopted

767
00:35:16,367 --> 00:35:18,133
and Mr. Chair Yes.

768
00:35:18,467 --> 00:35:21,033
- I should have mentioned earlier about I may let you get

769
00:35:21,033 --> 00:35:22,266
through the proclamations, maybe it would be a good

770
00:35:22,266 --> 00:35:23,367
opportunity for the board

771
00:35:23,567 --> 00:35:25,066
and those who are still in attendance

772
00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:26,567
to get two different pictures.

773
00:35:26,634 --> 00:35:27,700
One with Ms. Penick

774
00:35:28,166 --> 00:35:30,767
and the board so we can continue this, this month

775
00:35:31,133 --> 00:35:34,033
to promote sexual Assault Awareness month on our

776
00:35:34,033 --> 00:35:35,467
website and our social media.

777
00:35:36,066 --> 00:35:37,567
And then separately from that, Mr.

778
00:35:37,734 --> 00:35:39,300
McGinnis, get a picture with them.

779
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:40,767
I think that would be great to continue

780
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:42,033
the promotion of these events.

781
00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:44,033
- Yep. Yeah. Now that we've got

782
00:35:44,033 --> 00:35:46,634
through all the proclamations, I'm gonna call for a recess

783
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:50,000
and take time to get the pictures and then we'll reconvene.

784
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,133
- Thank you. Welcome.

785
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,900
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786
00:36:10,934 --> 00:36:12,433
and Educational Access Network.

787
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
- Okay, we're back. So yes,

788
00:36:20,066 --> 00:36:21,634
we had finished up the proclamations,

789
00:36:21,667 --> 00:36:25,033
but just to conclude the announcements, I did wanna make a,

790
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,367
an additional announcement on March 24th the board

791
00:36:28,367 --> 00:36:31,000
of Supervisors also met an executive session re

792
00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:34,133
regarding matter of, of personnel related

793
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:36,033
to the manager recruitment.

794
00:36:36,433 --> 00:36:38,767
And I will recognize the Township manager

795
00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:40,467
who has some additional announcements.

796
00:36:40,734 --> 00:36:44,700
- Yeah. One additional announcement I want to make the Board

797
00:36:44,700 --> 00:36:47,700
of Supervisors aware and of a upcoming meeting,

798
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:50,934
also the public make sure they're aware that the Board

799
00:36:50,934 --> 00:36:54,100
of Supervisors and the Ferguson Township Planning Commission

800
00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:58,367
will be holding a joint future land use meeting on June 8th

801
00:36:58,433 --> 00:37:00,500
at 6:00 PM here at the Township building.

802
00:37:01,033 --> 00:37:03,367
This joint meeting will bring the board of Supervisors

803
00:37:03,433 --> 00:37:06,033
and Ferguson Township Planning Commission members together

804
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:09,166
to consider how the updated land use categories,

805
00:37:09,734 --> 00:37:11,133
regional development capacity

806
00:37:11,333 --> 00:37:14,100
and community priorities should be reflected in the future

807
00:37:14,066 --> 00:37:16,133
land use map as part

808
00:37:16,133 --> 00:37:19,300
of the ongoing Centre Region Comprehensive plan update.

809
00:37:19,734 --> 00:37:21,033
There will be an open house

810
00:37:21,100 --> 00:37:24,000
for the public beginning at 5:00 PM that evening prior

811
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,066
to the meeting and certainly more information will be

812
00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:29,467
provided over the next couple months

813
00:37:29,467 --> 00:37:31,533
before we reach that June 8th date.

814
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,433
But that will be a Joint Planning Commission Board

815
00:37:34,433 --> 00:37:35,533
of Supervisors meeting

816
00:37:36,567 --> 00:37:40,033
and it'll be held on one of the regular Planning

817
00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:42,467
Planning Commission meeting dates a

818
00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:44,000
second Monday of the month.

819
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,033
- Alright, thank you. Looking forward to that. Yep.

820
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,000
Next up Public Comment.

821
00:37:52,266 --> 00:37:53,667
So at this time, any members

822
00:37:53,667 --> 00:37:56,000
of the public can address the Board of Supervisors.

823
00:37:56,834 --> 00:38:01,000
We do ask that we do state

824
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,233
that this is a moment to address the board on items

825
00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:04,900
that are not on tonight's agenda.

826
00:38:05,333 --> 00:38:08,867
And if you're in the room, we do ask you to come up front

827
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,533
to the podium to state your name

828
00:38:10,567 --> 00:38:12,000
and neighborhood of residence.

829
00:38:12,033 --> 00:38:13,066
So we'll start in the room.

830
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:19,133
Seeing none in the room, anyone online, right?

831
00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:21,100
Public Comment is now closed.

832
00:38:21,133 --> 00:38:24,100
So we'll start with approval of the move on to approval

833
00:38:24,133 --> 00:38:28,300
of the minutes from the March 17th meeting pending no

834
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:32,033
corrections, entertain a motion.

835
00:38:33,266 --> 00:38:36,266
This is pad. So move and do we have a second Mr. Trevor?

836
00:38:36,266 --> 00:38:37,867
I'll second. Okay. Got motion by Ms.

837
00:38:37,867 --> 00:38:41,300
Stephens, second by Mr. White. All those in favor say aye.

838
00:38:41,934 --> 00:38:45,934
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no. All right.

839
00:38:46,433 --> 00:38:49,066
Next reports and presentations to diversity, equity,

840
00:38:49,066 --> 00:38:51,100
inclusionary activities and acknowledgements.

841
00:38:52,033 --> 00:38:55,333
Sexual Assault Awareness month is this month as well

842
00:38:55,333 --> 00:38:58,767
as National Volunteer Month, autism Awareness Month

843
00:39:00,867 --> 00:39:05,100
and World Autism Awareness Day was April 2nd

844
00:39:06,133 --> 00:39:08,100
and Earth Day will be April 22nd.

845
00:39:09,367 --> 00:39:12,033
Next is authorities, boards and commission reports.

846
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:15,033
And we'll start with the Center Area Transportation Report.

847
00:39:15,634 --> 00:39:17,233
And tonight we are joined by

848
00:39:17,934 --> 00:39:19,734
our representative to the board.

849
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:21,333
Rob Deo.

850
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,033
- Good evening everyone. Thanks.

851
00:39:25,266 --> 00:39:28,033
I, I provided the report out document with the agenda

852
00:39:28,133 --> 00:39:31,133
and I'm happy to try and answer any questions you may have.

853
00:39:32,300 --> 00:39:35,000
One item I did wanna note, we're at the start

854
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,066
of our budgeting process for 26 27

855
00:39:37,433 --> 00:39:40,834
and expect to hit our timelines, have an agreed budget

856
00:39:40,867 --> 00:39:41,900
by the end of the fiscal year,

857
00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:44,500
but I did want to encourage members of the Centre Region

858
00:39:44,533 --> 00:39:47,567
to attend upcoming cattle board meetings to take a peek

859
00:39:47,567 --> 00:39:50,734
behind the curtain, see how the budget comes together and,

860
00:39:50,867 --> 00:39:53,333
and really take a moment to provide some input.

861
00:39:53,533 --> 00:39:56,834
Our next meeting is at 4:00 PM on April 27th.

862
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,133
And really beyond the report, that's all I have.

863
00:40:01,767 --> 00:40:03,066
Any questions I can answer

864
00:40:03,166 --> 00:40:06,100
or take away for answering, I'm happy to to field those now.

865
00:40:07,634 --> 00:40:08,767
- Any questions from the board?

866
00:40:10,467 --> 00:40:13,567
- Yeah, no, please. No. Yeah, just, just one.

867
00:40:13,834 --> 00:40:16,033
I mean, I know that's the kind of the start

868
00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:20,100
of the budgeting, but any, I guess are you getting any

869
00:40:22,467 --> 00:40:27,133
preliminary feelers on kind of increases for

870
00:40:27,634 --> 00:40:30,100
the coming year in the ADA budget?

871
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:34,634
- Increases in terms of revenue or expenses or

872
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,033
- Yeah, revenue allocation, because ultimately when the,

873
00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:38,500
sorry, when the expenses go up,

874
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,900
they're gonna need more revenue and ultimately it comes back

875
00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:42,767
from the five municipal partners at some percentage.

876
00:40:43,033 --> 00:40:44,033
So

877
00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:45,867
- Yeah, understand.

878
00:40:46,233 --> 00:40:49,100
We're actually going through the proposed budget at the

879
00:40:49,066 --> 00:40:50,100
April meeting there,

880
00:40:50,467 --> 00:40:52,867
there is some preliminary information out.

881
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,100
So the, the thing I can speak

882
00:40:55,133 --> 00:40:58,033
to is there was an expected increase in fair revenue,

883
00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,834
about 3% that we'll talk about the, the board

884
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:05,767
and then there weren't any significant rev, I'm sorry,

885
00:41:06,066 --> 00:41:09,300
expense items that I remember from the budget memo.

886
00:41:10,133 --> 00:41:13,100
But if there is something Omari certainly I'll come back

887
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:14,100
to you and let you guys know.

888
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:16,834
We've got a few months before anything gets finalized.

889
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:20,867
- Awesome. - There, there was, there was kind of a, a,

890
00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:23,367
a good news piece in last month's meeting

891
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:28,033
that Pendo did allocate actually additional funding to Kada.

892
00:41:28,634 --> 00:41:30,133
And from my notes when I was looking through it,

893
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:32,867
it was upwards of a million dollars more

894
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:34,000
than what we expected.

895
00:41:34,066 --> 00:41:36,934
So that was, that was really good news for cada.

896
00:41:38,033 --> 00:41:40,533
- Awesome. Yeah, I've seen the nuggets

897
00:41:40,533 --> 00:41:43,066
of insurance going up kind of in, in several places.

898
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:48,266
Absolutely. There I've, where I, I have some information

899
00:41:48,266 --> 00:41:51,066
and so just looking out for their, you know,

900
00:41:51,233 --> 00:41:54,533
humans are the largest expense outside of the,

901
00:41:54,867 --> 00:41:56,266
the buses and the maintenance of the buses.

902
00:41:56,467 --> 00:41:59,734
So I fully expect to see some increase there.

903
00:41:59,767 --> 00:42:02,100
I just want to make sure we're prepared for it.

904
00:42:02,133 --> 00:42:04,100
So Yeah, even if you don't have to come back

905
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,433
and we call to the manager

906
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,533
and let, let 'em know kind of what we're thinking so that

907
00:42:07,934 --> 00:42:10,367
as we get the inputs to the Township budget,

908
00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:13,567
we can be prepared and shed tears together.

909
00:42:14,767 --> 00:42:17,433
- Ah, no, no tears, but yes, of course.

910
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,900
- No joy. - Thank you sir.

911
00:42:22,033 --> 00:42:23,333
- Of course. Mr. - Haller.

912
00:42:23,700 --> 00:42:26,133
- So I just want to say sincerely, Rob, thank you

913
00:42:26,133 --> 00:42:28,166
for volunteering for this role and everything

914
00:42:28,166 --> 00:42:30,033
and being our eyes and ears with everything

915
00:42:30,033 --> 00:42:31,033
that goes on at Kada.

916
00:42:31,033 --> 00:42:33,634
I know it's a, it's a lot, it can be a lot of things

917
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:36,567
that go on outside, so it's an extra burden

918
00:42:37,567 --> 00:42:39,300
when in our already busy lives.

919
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:40,734
I just wanna say I appreciate that.

920
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,300
- Thank you. Yeah, I enjoy it.

921
00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:46,900
So thanks, thanks for the note.

922
00:42:48,934 --> 00:42:50,867
- And I got Mr. White, oh,

923
00:42:51,033 --> 00:42:52,333
- I, I I guess I'll, I'll ask it.

924
00:42:52,867 --> 00:42:54,834
You, you mentioned a 3% revenue increase

925
00:42:54,867 --> 00:42:56,734
or a forecasted increase.

926
00:42:58,233 --> 00:43:00,834
Are, are you able to say what that is coming from?

927
00:43:00,834 --> 00:43:02,433
Is that coming from like campus consolidation

928
00:43:02,934 --> 00:43:05,667
or like increased volume as a result of that or?

929
00:43:06,567 --> 00:43:09,834
- Yeah, so some of the increases were related to

930
00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:13,100
a change in the agreement with Penn State.

931
00:43:13,166 --> 00:43:15,066
And unfortunately I don't have all the details

932
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,367
and I'm gonna find out more at the, the April meeting.

933
00:43:18,467 --> 00:43:19,500
But in the budget memo,

934
00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:21,166
there were increases related to that.

935
00:43:21,700 --> 00:43:26,066
In addition, I think that there, I wouldn't say that there's

936
00:43:26,533 --> 00:43:28,767
increases related to it, but there's the opportunity

937
00:43:28,934 --> 00:43:33,266
for increases based on the new technology that Kata put in.

938
00:43:33,266 --> 00:43:36,767
So there is, it's in the, the memo that I sent in

939
00:43:36,767 --> 00:43:39,266
for the agenda, but the opportunity to tap, to pay

940
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:44,133
and then token transit, so moving towards more cashless

941
00:43:44,433 --> 00:43:47,066
to provide more opportunities for folks to ride it so

942
00:43:47,066 --> 00:43:48,767
that they're not burdened with trying

943
00:43:48,767 --> 00:43:51,433
to figure out if it's tokens or cash or stuff like that.

944
00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:56,634
But to your question, there was an increase related to

945
00:43:57,467 --> 00:43:59,634
how the agreement with Penn State was gonna go

946
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,100
and I just need to wait to the, to the meeting

947
00:44:02,066 --> 00:44:03,734
to find out more information about it.

948
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:05,667
- Understood. Thank you. Sorry, I didn't mean

949
00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:07,867
to ask a very specific question, but thank you.

950
00:44:08,033 --> 00:44:09,066
- No, no, it's a great question.

951
00:44:09,066 --> 00:44:10,567
Especially my background at Penn State,

952
00:44:10,667 --> 00:44:12,900
so I'm super interested to see what it is.

953
00:44:13,834 --> 00:44:14,900
- Thank you. Yeah,

954
00:44:16,133 --> 00:44:19,834
- I'm excited to hear about tap to pay rolling out.

955
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:23,133
I, I've got to try that firsthand

956
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:24,767
through SEPTA as well as MTA.

957
00:44:24,767 --> 00:44:26,367
It's quite a slick operation.

958
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:29,900
Smooth instead of having to fumble around with phone apps

959
00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:32,066
or even the coin coins

960
00:44:32,066 --> 00:44:35,000
or cash, have you heard anything

961
00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:38,066
about funding from federal government?

962
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:41,233
I know late last week there was some rumblings

963
00:44:41,266 --> 00:44:44,467
of possible cuts to rail as well as transit

964
00:44:44,634 --> 00:44:48,867
and I know, just wondering if that, how that may affect us,

965
00:44:48,900 --> 00:44:51,467
given that we do have cada here,

966
00:44:51,467 --> 00:44:55,000
but also we have been cada as well as the region,

967
00:44:55,033 --> 00:44:58,567
been looking at possible connecting service to rail.

968
00:45:00,133 --> 00:45:02,700
- Hmm. I I'm sorry, I I haven't heard anything.

969
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,567
It doesn't mean it's not, yeah, there aren't things in the,

970
00:45:05,700 --> 00:45:07,000
the future that I'm just not aware of

971
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,500
or I haven't heard through the meetings,

972
00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:13,000
but fair question on, on budgeting revenue increases and,

973
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,100
and as I, I learn more, I'm happy to share

974
00:45:15,100 --> 00:45:17,634
that information back with the manager so

975
00:45:17,634 --> 00:45:19,367
that they can share it with you all.

976
00:45:20,433 --> 00:45:23,100
- Yeah, and I just learned about this I think like on Friday

977
00:45:23,266 --> 00:45:24,500
and with the weekend.

978
00:45:24,667 --> 00:45:28,934
So it's, it, and it doesn't sound like it's like going

979
00:45:28,934 --> 00:45:31,367
to ha like ex exactly going to happen.

980
00:45:31,467 --> 00:45:34,033
You know how things go sometimes in state

981
00:45:34,033 --> 00:45:36,100
and federal government, they, they may sell one thing

982
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:40,033
and then, you know, it isn't as bad in the end or

983
00:45:40,033 --> 00:45:41,567
however you would see it.

984
00:45:41,667 --> 00:45:43,734
So, you know, just something to keep an eye on.

985
00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:47,333
- Absolutely. And like I said, I'll take those away

986
00:45:47,367 --> 00:45:49,834
and if there's any, anything of substance that I can,

987
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,133
I can feed back, I certainly will.

988
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:58,533
- Any other questions or remarks from the board? No.

989
00:45:58,533 --> 00:46:00,533
Thank you very much for joining us this evening, Rob.

990
00:46:02,266 --> 00:46:03,266
- Absolutely. Have a wonderful evening.

991
00:46:03,900 --> 00:46:05,533
- Thank you. Thank you. - Great.

992
00:46:07,033 --> 00:46:09,500
Next up will be Township department reports

993
00:46:09,567 --> 00:46:11,467
and I will defer to the manager

994
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:15,900
- In, in your packet.

995
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:19,767
It was kind of out of usual order this first meeting

996
00:46:19,834 --> 00:46:21,700
of the month, a police department report.

997
00:46:22,266 --> 00:46:26,000
It was a report for February if you, if you remember we were

998
00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:29,634
delayed because of the system being down with the

999
00:46:30,934 --> 00:46:33,000
fiber issue and the cyber attack

1000
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:36,567
and the police department put together the February report.

1001
00:46:36,734 --> 00:46:38,934
So that's in your packet if you have any questions

1002
00:46:39,066 --> 00:46:40,834
for the chief on that report.

1003
00:46:42,667 --> 00:46:47,634
- Any questions? And I imagine from the cyber

1004
00:46:47,634 --> 00:46:50,300
thing here and how things went to COG it, you know,

1005
00:46:50,367 --> 00:46:52,734
doesn't seem like, seems like

1006
00:46:52,734 --> 00:46:54,100
everything fared out relatively

1007
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:55,100
- Well.

1008
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:57,867
Everything fared up well. No, no substantial issues here.

1009
00:46:57,867 --> 00:47:00,066
The biggest thing was just a delay in being able

1010
00:47:00,066 --> 00:47:02,934
to get the report, the February report in your last

1011
00:47:02,934 --> 00:47:04,300
meeting's agenda.

1012
00:47:04,467 --> 00:47:06,133
But everybody's caught up

1013
00:47:06,233 --> 00:47:10,000
and I think across the board, the, the whole region,

1014
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,266
everybody's back up and running

1015
00:47:11,433 --> 00:47:13,066
and no problems that I've heard of.

1016
00:47:14,433 --> 00:47:16,300
- Perfect. It's,

1017
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:18,467
and it sounded like we went back in time a little bit.

1018
00:47:18,634 --> 00:47:20,333
Pen, pencil and paper reports.

1019
00:47:21,500 --> 00:47:24,300
- Yeah, we were doing our old reports we did back in the

1020
00:47:24,567 --> 00:47:28,000
nineties and then we did our narratives in Word so

1021
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,934
that we were able to just pop the narratives into our

1022
00:47:30,934 --> 00:47:32,066
records management system,

1023
00:47:32,333 --> 00:47:34,066
but everything else had to be reentered

1024
00:47:34,233 --> 00:47:35,834
and we were down about a hundred

1025
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,033
and 156 incidents that we had to reenter.

1026
00:47:40,467 --> 00:47:42,133
- Hmm. Yeah.

1027
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,133
- But we got through it. Oh we got

1028
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:49,033
and everyone that, everyone in the region was impacted by it

1029
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,867
and you know, happy to say that we were very much,

1030
00:47:51,867 --> 00:47:53,467
we were doing some double and triple checking.

1031
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:56,000
We thought something might fall through the cracks,

1032
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,000
like we'd find well

1033
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,033
how did this incident get handled or something like that.

1034
00:47:59,700 --> 00:48:03,300
And we were able to kind of devise on the fly a system so

1035
00:48:03,300 --> 00:48:05,500
that every single incident was accounted for.

1036
00:48:05,934 --> 00:48:09,033
As we got it back into the RMS system, we had to wait for

1037
00:48:09,767 --> 00:48:12,567
the CAD to download it into our records management system.

1038
00:48:12,667 --> 00:48:15,033
So once we saw that, we were able to match it up

1039
00:48:15,033 --> 00:48:19,100
to everything that we had done by hand and we were spot on.

1040
00:48:19,433 --> 00:48:21,567
So that's, that was good. Perfect.

1041
00:48:22,367 --> 00:48:26,066
- That's amazing. Thank you. Yes, thanks.

1042
00:48:29,333 --> 00:48:32,867
Actually a something I forgot to ask in the last meeting

1043
00:48:33,133 --> 00:48:35,367
and that was on the public work side

1044
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:39,767
and we had some solar money budgeted.

1045
00:48:41,533 --> 00:48:45,033
How close are we to getting some solar going on this,

1046
00:48:45,433 --> 00:48:46,500
on the property somewhere?

1047
00:48:47,734 --> 00:48:52,433
- Yes. So yes, the budget had $25,000 allocated

1048
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:56,734
to solar funding or solar feasibility study.

1049
00:48:57,634 --> 00:49:01,634
We talked about possibilities of installation of

1050
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:03,900
using that money for installation.

1051
00:49:05,266 --> 00:49:09,367
Worked with CRPA

1052
00:49:10,367 --> 00:49:11,667
director Pam Adams

1053
00:49:13,233 --> 00:49:17,767
and she put me in contact with a group that she was familiar

1054
00:49:17,767 --> 00:49:21,867
with get solar pa they perform the feas,

1055
00:49:21,867 --> 00:49:24,333
they're performing the feasibility study as we speak

1056
00:49:24,433 --> 00:49:25,567
for $500.

1057
00:49:27,133 --> 00:49:30,000
It's a program that's runs through the state that

1058
00:49:32,033 --> 00:49:34,066
they're aware that the biggest obstacle

1059
00:49:34,133 --> 00:49:36,066
to solar installation is the feasibility study.

1060
00:49:37,367 --> 00:49:39,500
They typically cost a lot of money, so they sort

1061
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,867
of front run it and they do,

1062
00:49:42,934 --> 00:49:46,333
they perform the feasibility study for a very low cost.

1063
00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:48,834
So because we're a campus

1064
00:49:49,033 --> 00:49:53,033
and we have multiple buildings based on the building size

1065
00:49:53,467 --> 00:49:55,133
and their matrix, it costs $500.

1066
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:59,266
So they'll return us the feasibility study

1067
00:50:00,133 --> 00:50:04,033
with all of the financial projections, the funding options,

1068
00:50:05,333 --> 00:50:08,066
different equipment options and all of those items.

1069
00:50:09,667 --> 00:50:12,066
Once we receive that, then we'll have an idea of

1070
00:50:12,066 --> 00:50:15,734
what we can do and, and what is feasible

1071
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:19,033
and, and go from there.

1072
00:50:19,166 --> 00:50:23,500
So waiting on that probably,

1073
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:25,634
I'm expecting that relatively soon

1074
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:28,567
before summer, by the end of the spring.

1075
00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:32,834
So yeah, or to follow on that, but it's a good deal.

1076
00:50:33,367 --> 00:50:38,066
- Fantastic, thank you. I'll leave it there.

1077
00:50:38,266 --> 00:50:39,467
Thank you. Okay,

1078
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,266
- Anything else for department reports?

1079
00:50:46,867 --> 00:50:50,533
- All right. - Next will be our unfinished business.

1080
00:50:50,567 --> 00:50:52,300
We will do a review and discussion

1081
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,066
on the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board's response

1082
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:58,100
to resolution 25 21

1083
00:50:58,133 --> 00:50:59,767
and I will recognize the Township manager.

1084
00:51:00,233 --> 00:51:03,867
- Thank you. On August 5th, 2025, the board

1085
00:51:04,033 --> 00:51:08,934
of Supervisors approved resolution 2025 dash 21 related

1086
00:51:08,934 --> 00:51:11,467
to an application for an inter municipal transfer

1087
00:51:11,467 --> 00:51:16,133
of liquor license R 20 2009, I'm sorry,

1088
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:18,000
29 22

1089
00:51:18,634 --> 00:51:20,834
and LID number 2 11 84

1090
00:51:20,900 --> 00:51:25,133
to rudders at 9 48 Blue Course Drive as part of the board

1091
00:51:25,133 --> 00:51:26,133
of supervisor approval,

1092
00:51:26,133 --> 00:51:28,767
there were numerous conditions placed on the license

1093
00:51:29,433 --> 00:51:30,533
earlier this week.

1094
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,066
Legal counsel for the PLCB contact the Township

1095
00:51:34,066 --> 00:51:36,367
to advise they no longer approve licenses

1096
00:51:36,367 --> 00:51:39,133
with conditions requested by municipalities.

1097
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:42,300
Staff will discuss another option for the Township

1098
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:44,634
to include conditions on this inter municipal

1099
00:51:45,033 --> 00:51:46,500
transfer of liquor license.

1100
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,533
So in the, in your packet were,

1101
00:51:52,934 --> 00:51:57,567
was the resolution from last year item number six listed

1102
00:51:58,567 --> 00:52:03,300
I believe eight different conditions in which the board

1103
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,367
approved the transfer of the license to rudders.

1104
00:52:08,133 --> 00:52:09,834
As long as those conditions

1105
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,300
and anything else stated in the resolution were adopted

1106
00:52:14,433 --> 00:52:18,700
as part of that license, conditional license such as,

1107
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:22,233
that was something PLCB Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board

1108
00:52:22,266 --> 00:52:25,033
has done for many years, probably dating back

1109
00:52:25,033 --> 00:52:26,300
to the early two thousands.

1110
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:31,700
And within the last two years policy wise,

1111
00:52:31,734 --> 00:52:35,867
they have decided no longer accept

1112
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:37,934
conditions on licenses.

1113
00:52:40,533 --> 00:52:43,734
They, they want to

1114
00:52:44,433 --> 00:52:48,567
have either an approval or a denial of the transfer

1115
00:52:48,867 --> 00:52:50,700
but not under certain conditions.

1116
00:52:52,033 --> 00:52:57,033
So the first center regional entity that I'm aware

1117
00:52:57,533 --> 00:52:59,767
that came across this was a State College Borough

1118
00:53:00,133 --> 00:53:03,567
with the fauna license back in 2024.

1119
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:09,333
And because having conditions was still important, the way

1120
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:12,066
that was resolved was State College Borough

1121
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:16,734
and fauna as the applicant in our case would be rudders

1122
00:53:16,734 --> 00:53:21,467
as the applicant entered into conditions in a private ag

1123
00:53:21,567 --> 00:53:22,700
private agreement

1124
00:53:22,767 --> 00:53:25,233
between the municipality and the applicant.

1125
00:53:26,533 --> 00:53:28,867
That would be enforceable here locally.

1126
00:53:29,133 --> 00:53:31,333
And for us, that would mean the Centre County Court

1127
00:53:31,333 --> 00:53:33,867
of common plea is where any violations of

1128
00:53:33,867 --> 00:53:35,700
that license would be heard.

1129
00:53:36,834 --> 00:53:39,233
But it would allow the Township to continue

1130
00:53:39,367 --> 00:53:41,266
to impose all the conditions

1131
00:53:41,266 --> 00:53:45,467
that you felt were important back in August of 2025,

1132
00:53:46,367 --> 00:53:48,500
but only done through a private agreement

1133
00:53:48,667 --> 00:53:51,266
of which PLCB would not be a party to.

1134
00:53:52,133 --> 00:53:54,100
And their approval of the license wouldn't

1135
00:53:54,233 --> 00:53:55,333
be conditional on that.

1136
00:53:55,433 --> 00:53:57,634
That would be separate and aside strictly

1137
00:53:58,333 --> 00:54:00,467
between the Township and the applicants.

1138
00:54:01,867 --> 00:54:03,934
It really accomplishes the same thing.

1139
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:07,533
The only thing is, is that PLCB wouldn't be

1140
00:54:08,767 --> 00:54:10,500
looking at violations of any

1141
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:12,033
of those conditions when they go to,

1142
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,867
to look at their every two year renewal for the license.

1143
00:54:15,700 --> 00:54:17,233
It would be up to us to do the enforcement

1144
00:54:17,233 --> 00:54:18,634
of our own agreement.

1145
00:54:20,133 --> 00:54:23,100
It would also require, if we adopted an agreement,

1146
00:54:24,066 --> 00:54:25,734
a private agreement between the Township

1147
00:54:25,734 --> 00:54:28,266
and rudders, it would also require us

1148
00:54:28,266 --> 00:54:31,100
to bring back a resolution to the board for you

1149
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:34,000
to decide once there's a private agreement reached,

1150
00:54:34,867 --> 00:54:38,467
are you willing to say yes or no approve

1151
00:54:38,634 --> 00:54:43,100
or deny the license with PLCB so they can move forward

1152
00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:44,467
with this transfer request.

1153
00:54:44,867 --> 00:54:48,767
Because as the resolution 2025 dash 21

1154
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:52,000
sits today, they can't approve it.

1155
00:54:52,266 --> 00:54:53,634
They also don't wanna deny it

1156
00:54:53,634 --> 00:54:57,000
because it was done under the old way of them doing

1157
00:54:57,634 --> 00:54:59,333
businesses approval with conditions.

1158
00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:03,133
So the two step process would be get a private agreement

1159
00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:05,467
with rudders with all the same conditions

1160
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,000
and then adopt a new resolution saying

1161
00:55:09,100 --> 00:55:11,000
with this private agreement that you've reached,

1162
00:55:11,033 --> 00:55:12,500
you now are recommending approval

1163
00:55:12,667 --> 00:55:15,066
for the enter municipal transfer.

1164
00:55:17,066 --> 00:55:20,133
I've discussed this with the Township solicitor

1165
00:55:20,367 --> 00:55:22,634
and she concurs with this approach.

1166
00:55:23,500 --> 00:55:28,100
I also, just as a notice, so the,

1167
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:30,300
that they didn't not understand why

1168
00:55:30,333 --> 00:55:31,367
we were bringing this up today.

1169
00:55:31,500 --> 00:55:35,467
I contacted the lay, the general counsel for Rudders

1170
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:38,700
who handled the liquor license transfer last year,

1171
00:55:38,734 --> 00:55:40,367
Jack Burns yesterday,

1172
00:55:40,367 --> 00:55:42,500
and let him know that I was bringing this before the board

1173
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,066
and why this has come up and he's well aware of it

1174
00:55:47,166 --> 00:55:49,300
and had him, without talking to his client,

1175
00:55:49,567 --> 00:55:53,700
had indicated initially that he would see no problem

1176
00:55:53,700 --> 00:55:56,100
with entering into a private agreement

1177
00:55:56,133 --> 00:55:57,500
using the same conditions,

1178
00:56:01,266 --> 00:56:02,000
- Mr. Heller.

1179
00:56:02,934 --> 00:56:04,767
- So I say let's pursue the private agreement

1180
00:56:05,066 --> 00:56:09,233
and then hopefully bring it to the PLCB to say we're good

1181
00:56:09,266 --> 00:56:10,700
and get that approved.

1182
00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:14,233
I'm good with that plan, that two step plan you laid out,

1183
00:56:16,934 --> 00:56:17,934
- Mr.

1184
00:56:17,934 --> 00:56:18,066
Patterson.

1185
00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:21,266
- Agreed. However, I, there's some

1186
00:56:21,266 --> 00:56:25,634
of these conditions I'm not quite married to, if you will.

1187
00:56:25,867 --> 00:56:28,100
Like some of 'em were, I think

1188
00:56:28,133 --> 00:56:30,934
because there were conditions we laid out a bunch of 'em

1189
00:56:31,433 --> 00:56:32,934
and you know, to kind

1190
00:56:32,934 --> 00:56:34,700
of hold over account some accountability.

1191
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,834
But there's some of 'em that's like, like

1192
00:56:38,467 --> 00:56:40,066
put a no smoking sign out.

1193
00:56:41,133 --> 00:56:43,033
Okay, it's a gas station.

1194
00:56:43,066 --> 00:56:45,500
There's, there's designated places they're gonna do that.

1195
00:56:46,467 --> 00:56:47,767
So there's those type of things.

1196
00:56:47,834 --> 00:56:49,734
I just wanna make sure the right things are in this private

1197
00:56:49,734 --> 00:56:52,066
agreement and it's not another grab all

1198
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:53,867
and you know, put a bunch of stuff in there.

1199
00:56:53,867 --> 00:56:58,066
It's just the few things that we absolutely need now

1200
00:56:58,066 --> 00:56:59,266
with those things we absolutely need.

1201
00:56:59,266 --> 00:57:01,100
I think it's up to this group, but, but I,

1202
00:57:01,133 --> 00:57:05,300
but I think very few things on this list in the, in the,

1203
00:57:06,433 --> 00:57:09,100
the conditions are truly necessary for

1204
00:57:09,867 --> 00:57:12,033
the liquor control board or from a liquor perspective.

1205
00:57:12,066 --> 00:57:14,333
Like we will be out if you do this.

1206
00:57:17,300 --> 00:57:18,934
Everybody see where people in there.

1207
00:57:19,133 --> 00:57:21,066
- Y yeah, just looking at a couple,

1208
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:23,834
like owner must insure employee accountability

1209
00:57:23,867 --> 00:57:25,333
of financial transactions.

1210
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:30,066
Well any business owner, you know, would

1211
00:57:30,767 --> 00:57:32,767
have those best practices, you know,

1212
00:57:32,767 --> 00:57:35,066
because any type of identity theft

1213
00:57:35,066 --> 00:57:38,500
or credit card fraud by their employees would, you know,

1214
00:57:38,567 --> 00:57:40,100
hurt their bottom line

1215
00:57:40,233 --> 00:57:42,567
and put 'em up with a lot of legal risk.

1216
00:57:42,767 --> 00:57:45,734
Also staff will, will be properly trained

1217
00:57:45,734 --> 00:57:47,066
to handle and serve alcohol.

1218
00:57:47,066 --> 00:57:49,333
Like, isn't that something the state like expects

1219
00:57:49,333 --> 00:57:51,500
of any establishment serving alcohol already.

1220
00:57:51,634 --> 00:57:54,734
So I'm, I'm kind of to amari's point,

1221
00:57:54,734 --> 00:57:57,700
I'm seeing like some redundancies and conditions here.

1222
00:57:57,734 --> 00:58:02,100
It's like, well isn't that almost a given Mr. Heller,

1223
00:58:02,233 --> 00:58:04,000
- If I may, I I I believe though

1224
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,266
that the private entity can make their own decision

1225
00:58:06,266 --> 00:58:08,567
and assess their own risk and say, yeah, we're good

1226
00:58:08,567 --> 00:58:10,700
with all this and let's just put, let's just do it.

1227
00:58:11,133 --> 00:58:13,100
If they say something like that, I have no issue

1228
00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:15,767
with just bringing this in as it stands right now

1229
00:58:16,567 --> 00:58:18,367
and letting, and just leaving it at that.

1230
00:58:18,533 --> 00:58:20,500
I, I don't think we need to piecemeal this or,

1231
00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:22,300
or take it apart or remove anything.

1232
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:24,867
If they're willing to accept it as is, then we're good.

1233
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:31,934
- My understanding is when what,

1234
00:58:32,033 --> 00:58:34,100
before these conditions were brought

1235
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:37,834
before the board last August, I think there was discussion

1236
00:58:37,834 --> 00:58:41,100
between the Township manager and the Township solicitor

1237
00:58:41,233 --> 00:58:44,000
and legal counsel for ruts

1238
00:58:44,867 --> 00:58:48,433
that all those conditions at the time were acceptable.

1239
00:58:49,066 --> 00:58:51,100
They didn't have any problems with them.

1240
00:58:51,567 --> 00:58:53,367
Of course it goes without saying

1241
00:58:53,367 --> 00:58:57,000
that condition number seven, the last one goes away.

1242
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:01,567
That's the one that says we only approve it if PLCB

1243
00:59:01,567 --> 00:59:02,867
accepts all these conditions.

1244
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:06,867
- Hmm. Yeah. - So it would be exclusive with that one,

1245
00:59:09,066 --> 00:59:11,734
but we, we could, we could bring it as is

1246
00:59:12,066 --> 00:59:15,834
or if you want it modified, that's up to the board.

1247
00:59:16,233 --> 00:59:19,667
- That's fair. I think in the spirit of legal fees,

1248
00:59:20,066 --> 00:59:22,533
if you just copy and paste, put it over there

1249
00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:25,834
or no legal fees, it's copy paste, here you go

1250
00:59:26,066 --> 00:59:29,500
and record it with the, with the appropriate,

1251
00:59:30,066 --> 00:59:31,300
- Yeah, 25 bucks.

1252
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,266
And I would also say the discussion of the solicitor

1253
00:59:34,266 --> 00:59:36,233
and I had about this is

1254
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,100
we have one other liquor license transfer

1255
00:59:41,100 --> 00:59:42,500
that may be pending as well

1256
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:46,066
and you may have already approved a resolution of possibly

1257
00:59:48,433 --> 00:59:52,834
across the house Yes, we on, on West College Avenue.

1258
00:59:53,233 --> 00:59:55,066
Oh yeah, the convenience store.

1259
00:59:55,266 --> 00:59:56,066
I don't know whether that's,

1260
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:57,500
that would've been before my time.

1261
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:59,834
I don't know whether that already has had a

1262
01:00:00,033 --> 01:00:01,066
resolution passed or not.

1263
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:03,066
If it has, we might have to go back

1264
01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:06,000
and do something similar with that situation.

1265
01:00:06,567 --> 01:00:09,033
So thinking about the fact that we might have two of these

1266
01:00:09,033 --> 01:00:10,767
and we may have some in the future,

1267
01:00:11,233 --> 01:00:13,834
we talk about consistency, there might be these conditions

1268
01:00:13,834 --> 01:00:16,066
that we will always ask for.

1269
01:00:16,100 --> 01:00:17,634
This is just our, be our,

1270
01:00:17,700 --> 01:00:19,567
our standard practices we're gonna ask for.

1271
01:00:20,066 --> 01:00:24,734
And then if a, if a licensed applicant is so,

1272
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:27,934
so unique that it, it would only make sense

1273
01:00:27,934 --> 01:00:31,033
to add additional conditions, you may, may consider

1274
01:00:31,033 --> 01:00:33,333
that there may be good to always include

1275
01:00:34,233 --> 01:00:37,100
these conditions is are standard conditions,

1276
01:00:38,567 --> 01:00:40,000
something to think about for the future.

1277
01:00:40,033 --> 01:00:43,233
But so, so and I were talking about having some consistency.

1278
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:44,500
Right?

1279
01:00:45,734 --> 01:00:46,767
- Very, very important

1280
01:00:46,767 --> 01:00:50,066
because on the development of the other one, you know,

1281
01:00:50,066 --> 01:00:52,934
they can say, well you, you did all this stuff for rudders,

1282
01:00:53,266 --> 01:00:56,066
you know, 'cause we've had

1283
01:00:56,066 --> 01:00:58,367
that happen on in other context here,

1284
01:01:03,734 --> 01:01:05,000
if nothing further, I believe

1285
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,133
we do have some Public Comment.

1286
01:01:07,867 --> 01:01:08,867
Mr. Keo,

1287
01:01:17,867 --> 01:01:20,100
- Bill Keo, fer Township president.

1288
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:26,266
Apparently I wasn't present at that meeting

1289
01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:28,266
when this was adopted.

1290
01:01:29,100 --> 01:01:31,667
I, I don't remember it at all.

1291
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:36,734
But I'm a bit concerned when I read the agenda tonight

1292
01:01:36,867 --> 01:01:39,300
that I, I'm a bit concerned about it from a

1293
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:40,333
couple of perspectives.

1294
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,834
One is, and I'm talking about the, the one

1295
01:01:46,834 --> 01:01:49,367
through seven items, nothing else.

1296
01:01:49,667 --> 01:01:52,033
I'm not opposed to the license or transfer

1297
01:01:52,033 --> 01:01:55,100
or any of that stuff, but as I read

1298
01:01:56,467 --> 01:01:59,333
the one through seven, several

1299
01:01:59,634 --> 01:02:04,266
of those items are already codified in other places

1300
01:02:05,467 --> 01:02:10,100
they're, they're, they're already regulations

1301
01:02:10,233 --> 01:02:13,433
that already exist in other places

1302
01:02:14,467 --> 01:02:17,900
and I'm not a great fan

1303
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,467
of us, you know, calling those out.

1304
01:02:21,634 --> 01:02:23,033
The, they're, they're already there.

1305
01:02:27,467 --> 01:02:32,300
I think a couple of these we're getting in the weeds of

1306
01:02:32,467 --> 01:02:36,133
how a vendor, owner operator

1307
01:02:37,033 --> 01:02:38,100
runs this business.

1308
01:02:39,934 --> 01:02:44,367
And, and I'm trying to figure out why alcohol would

1309
01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,066
trigger this.

1310
01:02:47,567 --> 01:02:51,533
Some of these concepts like the smoking issue, I mean

1311
01:02:53,066 --> 01:02:57,767
it is a business, it already has local regulation related

1312
01:02:57,900 --> 01:02:59,066
to it as a public place.

1313
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,066
And, and I just don't think, I think it sends a message

1314
01:03:05,734 --> 01:03:07,734
that we're not overly friendly

1315
01:03:07,867 --> 01:03:10,634
and we're looking at overly regulating something

1316
01:03:10,834 --> 01:03:13,834
that's already regulated in other locations.

1317
01:03:17,033 --> 01:03:22,066
My sense would be somebody needs to take a look to see which

1318
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:26,133
of these seven are already existing

1319
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:29,533
in current regulation somewhere

1320
01:03:31,900 --> 01:03:33,233
And get them out of this

1321
01:03:34,333 --> 01:03:37,033
and which ones are business practices,

1322
01:03:38,467 --> 01:03:42,367
which we may or may not want to be involved with.

1323
01:03:42,867 --> 01:03:44,867
I think lastly, I'll just say to you

1324
01:03:45,634 --> 01:03:49,266
that I'm a bit concerned about the enforcement

1325
01:03:49,333 --> 01:03:50,734
of these seven.

1326
01:03:51,033 --> 01:03:56,000
'em Certainly selling to minors is something

1327
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,700
that our police staff is, is fully equipped to deal with

1328
01:04:01,133 --> 01:04:03,066
and deals with, with every liquor license

1329
01:04:03,100 --> 01:04:04,533
in Ferguson Township.

1330
01:04:05,033 --> 01:04:08,300
However, some of these other things in terms

1331
01:04:08,333 --> 01:04:11,100
of violations do we send a Zoning officer,

1332
01:04:11,734 --> 01:04:13,266
do we send the police department?

1333
01:04:14,266 --> 01:04:18,367
Who do we send under what circumstances in terms

1334
01:04:18,467 --> 01:04:20,266
of enforcing some of this stuff?

1335
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:22,734
I think that needs to be thought through a little better.

1336
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:27,767
And maybe some of these won't be part of our resolution,

1337
01:04:28,233 --> 01:04:30,333
but rather because they're,

1338
01:04:30,333 --> 01:04:32,367
they're already codified somewhere else.

1339
01:04:32,934 --> 01:04:35,300
We can, we can overlook them,

1340
01:04:35,734 --> 01:04:38,934
not overlook them from the sense of ignoring them,

1341
01:04:39,233 --> 01:04:41,100
but say they're somewhere else.

1342
01:04:42,233 --> 01:04:43,233
That's all I have.

1343
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:49,634
- Thank you, Mr. Keel. Any other Public Comment?

1344
01:04:49,767 --> 01:04:53,033
Just taking a look here. Oh, yes, please feel free.

1345
01:04:53,533 --> 01:04:56,100
Step forward, state your name and neighborhood or residence.

1346
01:05:05,867 --> 01:05:09,233
- Hi, I'm Deb Escot and I'm from Patton Township.

1347
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:12,033
I work for the Spring Creek Watershed Commission.

1348
01:05:12,333 --> 01:05:15,567
And I just want to mention about the, the cleanup,

1349
01:05:15,667 --> 01:05:17,000
the 30th annual cleanup.

1350
01:05:17,233 --> 01:05:21,367
Oh. And so we appreciate eight Ferguson's Township Health.

1351
01:05:21,367 --> 01:05:24,867
There's about 750 volunteers that have signed up for

1352
01:05:24,867 --> 01:05:26,033
that now, so it'll be the

1353
01:05:26,033 --> 01:05:29,033
18th of April. That's what I wanted to mention.

1354
01:05:29,333 --> 01:05:31,066
- Alright. Yeah. Thank, thank you very much.

1355
01:05:31,100 --> 01:05:33,000
We had done the proclamations earlier

1356
01:05:33,233 --> 01:05:36,233
and we did put in a good work for some

1357
01:05:36,233 --> 01:05:37,533
of us are even got involved here on that.

1358
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:39,934
- Okay. Thank you. Thank

1359
01:05:39,934 --> 01:05:40,934
- You.

1360
01:05:40,934 --> 01:05:44,033
Appreciate it. Thank you. Alright.

1361
01:05:45,266 --> 01:05:46,300
Any other feedback?

1362
01:05:46,567 --> 01:05:49,100
I, I was gonna say, you're just taking feedback on the li

1363
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,467
the liquor item here

1364
01:05:51,433 --> 01:05:54,700
- And, and some direction in terms of coming back

1365
01:05:55,667 --> 01:05:58,734
with a draft private agreement,

1366
01:05:59,266 --> 01:06:04,133
I think would be our next step we could do is I,

1367
01:06:04,367 --> 01:06:07,333
I heard one, some part, do a copy and paste

1368
01:06:07,333 --> 01:06:09,000
and work with the solicitor

1369
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,734
and come up with a, come up with a draft agreement.

1370
01:06:15,066 --> 01:06:20,000
We could, you know, and also keeping in mind

1371
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,734
that these, you know, it'd be good

1372
01:06:22,734 --> 01:06:25,300
to know which conditions are essential that we would apply

1373
01:06:25,333 --> 01:06:28,700
to anybody that's gonna ask for a, a liquor license

1374
01:06:29,133 --> 01:06:30,467
transfer from another municipality.

1375
01:06:31,734 --> 01:06:35,000
Or for example, I believe what would be one would be very

1376
01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:39,033
critical is that before any license would be transferred

1377
01:06:39,033 --> 01:06:41,300
to another location within Ferguson Township,

1378
01:06:41,834 --> 01:06:43,634
that it would require for it to come back

1379
01:06:43,634 --> 01:06:48,333
before this board to request that instead of just being able

1380
01:06:48,333 --> 01:06:49,867
to move it wherever they want it.

1381
01:06:50,367 --> 01:06:55,266
Obviously within Zoning regulations, I think that's critical

1382
01:06:55,266 --> 01:06:56,934
that you should have a chance to say,

1383
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:59,233
to approve it being moved to another location.

1384
01:06:59,734 --> 01:07:01,300
And that's one of the current conditions.

1385
01:07:03,300 --> 01:07:05,100
- Hmm. Mr. Halla,

1386
01:07:05,233 --> 01:07:06,867
- Let me ask a broader question.

1387
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:11,000
Do other municipalities charge fees for that?

1388
01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:17,734
- Yes. Well there's, there is a, when you go

1389
01:07:17,834 --> 01:07:21,100
for inter inter municipal transfer, you do pay a fee

1390
01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:22,300
to the municipality to process

1391
01:07:22,300 --> 01:07:23,934
everything about the application.

1392
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:27,367
- What's our fee? - I thought you were gonna ask that.

1393
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,233
- I'm sorry. I, I, yeah.

1394
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:33,033
You see where I'm going with this threat? I do,

1395
01:07:33,567 --> 01:07:34,033
- Yes. Now

1396
01:07:35,133 --> 01:07:36,133
- Agree.

1397
01:07:36,133 --> 01:07:37,100
It's $1,000.

1398
01:07:37,133 --> 01:07:40,767
- 1000. Okay. Boroughs was 1500 I or is a thousand. Okay.

1399
01:07:40,934 --> 01:07:44,066
- It, do we know if that's capped by state or federal law.

1400
01:07:44,433 --> 01:07:46,634
- The, the fee has to be commensurate

1401
01:07:46,634 --> 01:07:48,300
with the work involved in it.

1402
01:07:48,333 --> 01:07:50,133
So you can't, you can't make something

1403
01:07:50,133 --> 01:07:52,033
that you don't have any justification.

1404
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,300
I see. For, so, you know, I think it's based on workload

1405
01:07:55,367 --> 01:07:57,033
to really process the application.

1406
01:07:59,166 --> 01:08:03,233
So, you know, that's a thousand dollars certainly is within

1407
01:08:03,233 --> 01:08:06,634
reason of what I'm, I'm used to, but there is a fee.

1408
01:08:07,133 --> 01:08:08,834
- Okay. But again, the fee is related

1409
01:08:08,834 --> 01:08:10,033
to the work that goes behind it.

1410
01:08:10,033 --> 01:08:11,934
So you're getting reimbursed for that work.

1411
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,033
Do other municipalities do anything different?

1412
01:08:15,433 --> 01:08:16,500
Do we, have we heard of

1413
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:17,700
- Anything?

1414
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:18,100
I know what the Borough does

1415
01:08:18,233 --> 01:08:20,734
and the, you know, their original fee was years ago when we

1416
01:08:20,734 --> 01:08:22,233
first started doing these was a thousand,

1417
01:08:22,233 --> 01:08:27,033
but it's now gone up to $1,500 is the transfer fee.

1418
01:08:28,567 --> 01:08:31,367
But I'm not aware. I can find out. I thank you.

1419
01:08:31,433 --> 01:08:33,033
I'm having a manager's meeting tomorrow

1420
01:08:33,133 --> 01:08:34,700
so I can find out tomorrow. Okay.

1421
01:08:34,834 --> 01:08:37,033
- I'd also be curious to know if any other municipalities

1422
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:42,000
do anything like a percentage of liquor sales as part

1423
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,934
of a condition for being able

1424
01:08:44,934 --> 01:08:46,367
to sell in their, in their Township.

1425
01:08:47,533 --> 01:08:48,634
- Yeah, we do,

1426
01:08:51,266 --> 01:08:53,934
but I, I know that one of the conditions

1427
01:08:54,667 --> 01:08:58,100
we used in the Borough for probably maybe different reasons

1428
01:08:58,133 --> 01:09:02,100
than in the Township is we had a, a food to alcohol ratio.

1429
01:09:02,700 --> 01:09:04,934
So you had to, you had to have a facility

1430
01:09:04,934 --> 01:09:09,000
that's sold at least 60% food compared to 40%.

1431
01:09:09,533 --> 01:09:12,567
Alcohol was one of the conditions.

1432
01:09:13,467 --> 01:09:14,767
I didn't, that's not a condition

1433
01:09:14,767 --> 01:09:17,467
that was put in this liquor license transfer,

1434
01:09:19,567 --> 01:09:21,700
- But, and I was thinking something even more plainly.

1435
01:09:22,166 --> 01:09:25,567
5% of all liquor sales goes to municipality.

1436
01:09:26,934 --> 01:09:27,934
Nothing. No.

1437
01:09:28,100 --> 01:09:30,634
- And I, I believe would be prohibitive.

1438
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:32,166
That's what I'm wondering. Yeah.

1439
01:09:32,166 --> 01:09:33,500
We'd be prohibited from doing that.

1440
01:09:34,767 --> 01:09:39,000
That was an item that came last month with the work that

1441
01:09:40,066 --> 01:09:42,000
Mike Negro is doing to try to get to

1442
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,233
where we can get legislation to do that. Perfect.

1443
01:09:45,467 --> 01:09:48,467
- Thank you for again, the public conversation on that.

1444
01:09:48,834 --> 01:09:50,133
But I appreciate it. Yeah.

1445
01:09:50,033 --> 01:09:52,500
Again, a little more information on what the,

1446
01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:55,900
the cost would be for the, to actually do the work.

1447
01:09:56,033 --> 01:09:58,700
But other than that, I have no, no issues or question.

1448
01:09:59,567 --> 01:10:03,033
- Mr. Patterson, - What's the need for this timeline?

1449
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:09,066
- I think within the next one to two months, you know,

1450
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:13,100
ru rudders is still at early stages of their construction.

1451
01:10:13,567 --> 01:10:16,133
So this, you know, I know they would want to have it

1452
01:10:16,133 --> 01:10:17,300
by the time they do their opening.

1453
01:10:18,667 --> 01:10:23,066
So when I talked to the general counsel for PLCB,

1454
01:10:23,066 --> 01:10:24,266
they didn't give a timeframe,

1455
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,166
but I think I, I would wanna bring it back,

1456
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:28,734
you know, keep it moving.

1457
01:10:29,634 --> 01:10:30,634
Yeah.

1458
01:10:31,433 --> 01:10:35,133
- So I, I guess what you need is maybe a couple of motions.

1459
01:10:35,133 --> 01:10:37,467
Number one, direction to repeal

1460
01:10:37,467 --> 01:10:39,233
and replace the resolution without conditions.

1461
01:10:40,066 --> 01:10:44,667
And number two, direction to create a private agreement

1462
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,100
with all

1463
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:49,233
or some, some subsection of appropriate conditions

1464
01:10:50,867 --> 01:10:54,367
with, with the organization, road organization.

1465
01:10:54,667 --> 01:10:56,734
- Right. And I think we could do the, the repeal

1466
01:10:56,734 --> 01:10:59,233
and replace when we bring the new, we could repeal it

1467
01:10:59,266 --> 01:11:01,767
and at the same time replace with a new resolution.

1468
01:11:02,867 --> 01:11:04,133
And I'm okay with just get,

1469
01:11:04,133 --> 01:11:05,734
unless someone wants to make a motion

1470
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:08,533
and make it very clear, as long as

1471
01:11:08,533 --> 01:11:10,767
that gets consensus on what direction to go.

1472
01:11:10,767 --> 01:11:12,300
I don't know that we need any official motion

1473
01:11:12,367 --> 01:11:14,500
unless the Supervisors prefer

1474
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:16,233
to have something on record with a motion.

1475
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,033
- I'm definitely, let's get it clear.

1476
01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:26,000
- Yeah. Want some clarity. You have something teed up or,

1477
01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:29,467
- I actually don't, the mo I

1478
01:11:29,467 --> 01:11:31,133
can, I can make the first motion.

1479
01:11:31,266 --> 01:11:33,000
That's not the second one I know.

1480
01:11:33,133 --> 01:11:35,066
So I move to direct staff to repeal

1481
01:11:35,066 --> 01:11:37,133
and replace the resolution without conditions.

1482
01:11:39,266 --> 01:11:42,000
- Do we have second, - This is Trevor. I'll second

1483
01:11:42,133 --> 01:11:43,133
- Got a motion by Mr.

1484
01:11:43,133 --> 01:11:44,934
Patterson, seconded by Mr. White.

1485
01:11:45,066 --> 01:11:49,934
Any discussion on that? Yes, Mr. Hall. But

1486
01:11:49,934 --> 01:11:53,734
- Then does that negate if we repeal

1487
01:11:53,734 --> 01:11:56,166
and replace, if we just get rid of it, then it just goes

1488
01:11:56,166 --> 01:11:58,266
through the PLCB and we're done.

1489
01:11:59,100 --> 01:12:00,700
- That's what they need. - So,

1490
01:12:00,734 --> 01:12:02,100
so you're saying just do away

1491
01:12:02,100 --> 01:12:04,000
with all the conditions and we're done. Yeah,

1492
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
- We motions.

1493
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,834
There's the second one. Second one is the private agreement.

1494
01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:10,000
- Right. - So I wanted to make it clear

1495
01:12:10,033 --> 01:12:11,233
to do there's two actions.

1496
01:12:11,433 --> 01:12:13,567
Yeah. We can have one motion, two actions.

1497
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:16,867
I was just for like Yeah.

1498
01:12:17,066 --> 01:12:18,567
The two motions, two actions

1499
01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:19,934
and then they can move in parallel.

1500
01:12:20,467 --> 01:12:25,033
- And the this motion is to repeal

1501
01:12:25,033 --> 01:12:28,133
and replace the thing that repeal the thing

1502
01:12:28,133 --> 01:12:29,433
that has all the conditions

1503
01:12:29,767 --> 01:12:30,834
and replace it with a thing

1504
01:12:30,834 --> 01:12:32,133
that doesn't have any conditions, correct?

1505
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:34,834
No, it's, so if we were to say that's it, full stop,

1506
01:12:35,233 --> 01:12:37,066
then it would go through the PLCB.

1507
01:12:37,066 --> 01:12:38,634
Right? We could just say we're done.

1508
01:12:38,767 --> 01:12:41,734
- That's right. - But then we're gonna put an extra

1509
01:12:41,734 --> 01:12:43,934
condition, an extra motion that says come back

1510
01:12:43,934 --> 01:12:46,000
with something with a private agreement, which

1511
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,000
- Could be yes or no.

1512
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,100
I mean it's, but it doesn't involve the plc. Yeah.

1513
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:51,834
- Right. That's just between Rogers and

1514
01:12:52,266 --> 01:12:53,634
- I'm saying Township, but I'm the first motion,

1515
01:12:55,533 --> 01:12:59,100
if we stop right there, then it's done and it's approved.

1516
01:13:00,533 --> 01:13:02,934
Okay. I mean, I, I get it. It just seems like

1517
01:13:03,133 --> 01:13:05,000
- There's - A window between the two motions

1518
01:13:05,033 --> 01:13:07,266
that you could, somebody could say, Hey, wait a second.

1519
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:10,033
You know, you just approved it.

1520
01:13:10,066 --> 01:13:12,033
That automatically kicks something off.

1521
01:13:12,500 --> 01:13:14,100
- It's not approved until it's approved the res

1522
01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:16,033
until the real repeal in place actually happens.

1523
01:13:16,133 --> 01:13:18,367
It hasn't happened. We're voting right now. Right.

1524
01:13:18,533 --> 01:13:20,367
To move forward on that action. Yeah.

1525
01:13:20,567 --> 01:13:23,467
And then there, what I've proposed is two actions

1526
01:13:23,567 --> 01:13:25,533
that'll come back to us later. Right.

1527
01:13:26,066 --> 01:13:27,934
- And, okay. Yeah. And, and Mr.

1528
01:13:28,066 --> 01:13:30,900
Patterson's defense, this first motion will have

1529
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:32,000
to come back to the board

1530
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,734
because just by us, you know, basically.

1531
01:13:37,133 --> 01:13:41,700
Yeah. Basically this is to direct staff to initiate the real

1532
01:13:42,133 --> 01:13:45,900
repeal and replace process, which would have to come back

1533
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:47,100
to the board because I,

1534
01:13:47,066 --> 01:13:48,500
I think thinking there might even have

1535
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:49,734
to be a Public Hearing.

1536
01:13:50,166 --> 01:13:51,867
And I know we do the Roll Call vote.

1537
01:13:52,066 --> 01:13:54,467
So I'll, I'll defer to you.

1538
01:13:55,700 --> 01:13:56,867
I I I think this was probably

1539
01:13:56,867 --> 01:13:58,266
what you were gonna tell me anyhow. Well,

1540
01:13:59,033 --> 01:14:00,533
- We are required to do one Public Hearing.

1541
01:14:00,567 --> 01:14:02,066
Of course you've had a Public Hearing.

1542
01:14:02,266 --> 01:14:04,233
So the question is whether you need to do another one

1543
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,300
and you can consult the solicitor about that

1544
01:14:06,433 --> 01:14:07,934
and might be wise to do

1545
01:14:07,934 --> 01:14:10,634
that just since you're gonna be adopting a new resolution.

1546
01:14:12,133 --> 01:14:16,533
Timing wise, I think, you know, if the motion is

1547
01:14:16,533 --> 01:14:21,300
to direct staff to work towards repealing the old resolution

1548
01:14:21,367 --> 01:14:23,767
and preparing a new resolution as well

1549
01:14:23,767 --> 01:14:25,834
as work towards a private agreement, that would be fine.

1550
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,567
I, I don't wanna repeal anything

1551
01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:31,467
that we currently have sitting down at PLCB,

1552
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:33,333
even though they can't, won't adopt it as is.

1553
01:14:34,367 --> 01:14:37,033
I want that to be on record until we are ready

1554
01:14:37,133 --> 01:14:38,767
to adopt something new.

1555
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:41,934
'cause they're gonna hold taking any action

1556
01:14:42,033 --> 01:14:44,000
until we send them something different.

1557
01:14:44,033 --> 01:14:45,266
'cause they don't know whether you wanna approve

1558
01:14:45,266 --> 01:14:46,467
it or deny it right now.

1559
01:14:48,066 --> 01:14:51,367
So I would, I would hold off actually

1560
01:14:52,133 --> 01:14:53,834
repealing the resolution tonight,

1561
01:14:54,734 --> 01:14:59,166
but directing me to work, to bringing something back

1562
01:14:59,166 --> 01:15:01,367
that would repeal and replace.

1563
01:15:02,033 --> 01:15:04,100
- That's the motion. If - That's the motion that,

1564
01:15:04,233 --> 01:15:07,100
- That is the motion to - Bring. Yeah. Direct staff.

1565
01:15:07,500 --> 01:15:08,567
- So direct staff to,

1566
01:15:08,634 --> 01:15:12,000
and I, I'll add one word to initiate the repeal

1567
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,266
and replace of the resolution without conditions.

1568
01:15:16,367 --> 01:15:19,133
So it's bring back the new one without conditions,

1569
01:15:19,133 --> 01:15:20,433
we'll be repeal and replace same time.

1570
01:15:20,500 --> 01:15:22,734
Right. Send the new one to PLCB. Yep.

1571
01:15:23,734 --> 01:15:25,467
So that process will move forward.

1572
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:30,700
- That I'm good. Now that makes okay. Yeah. Yes. Perfect.

1573
01:15:31,734 --> 01:15:33,100
- The way. Yeah. And the way I see it,

1574
01:15:33,100 --> 01:15:36,367
staff's gonna revise the resolution

1575
01:15:36,533 --> 01:15:39,934
and then when we vote on it in a upcoming meeting,

1576
01:15:40,333 --> 01:15:43,233
we're replacing repealing, we're repealing

1577
01:15:43,233 --> 01:15:45,133
and replacing at that moment in time.

1578
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,700
- And I would recommend that

1579
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:51,667
before we, we, you vote

1580
01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:54,634
to replace a resolution

1581
01:15:54,634 --> 01:15:56,900
that we already have a private agreement in place

1582
01:15:57,100 --> 01:15:59,066
so you know that it exists

1583
01:15:59,233 --> 01:16:02,667
before you're okay with saying to PLCB, we approve this.

1584
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,066
- Okay. - And that the gap.

1585
01:16:07,634 --> 01:16:10,667
- Alright. So Mr.

1586
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:13,934
Patterson had modified the motion, your

1587
01:16:15,467 --> 01:16:20,166
consent on the modified motion Mr. White has not changed.

1588
01:16:20,934 --> 01:16:24,467
Okay. Any other discussion on that motion?

1589
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,000
See Mr. Keo again.

1590
01:16:31,367 --> 01:16:34,333
So I think we're,

1591
01:16:36,900 --> 01:16:39,867
- I think what you're doing is a good way to,

1592
01:16:40,033 --> 01:16:41,100
to, to travel with this.

1593
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,166
I just, for example, in terms of the second part

1594
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:50,367
of the motion, the private agreement, somebody needs

1595
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:52,500
to take a look at these seven.

1596
01:16:53,233 --> 01:16:55,233
Not in terms of whether they're legal or not,

1597
01:16:55,767 --> 01:16:58,000
but for example, number three,

1598
01:17:00,300 --> 01:17:04,734
I work in an environment, in a sports arena where I have

1599
01:17:04,734 --> 01:17:08,900
to take classes just because alcohol is served there.

1600
01:17:09,634 --> 01:17:12,266
Oh, this is part of the alcohol

1601
01:17:13,133 --> 01:17:16,867
license requirements in the state of Pennsylvania

1602
01:17:17,066 --> 01:17:21,634
with regard to individuals who are working there, why we,

1603
01:17:21,700 --> 01:17:24,934
why we would have, why we would have it as a separate thing.

1604
01:17:25,066 --> 01:17:27,233
Just doesn't make a lot of sense.

1605
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,066
Somebody needs to take a look at what's already in existence

1606
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:36,033
in terms of regulations as opposed to trying

1607
01:17:36,033 --> 01:17:37,834
to duplicate them in a agreement.

1608
01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:40,734
But I think the route you're traveling is a good one.

1609
01:17:41,700 --> 01:17:45,066
- I, yeah, I've kind of been making that point

1610
01:17:45,867 --> 01:17:47,033
as we've discussed this.

1611
01:17:48,367 --> 01:17:52,066
Interesting to know that the bouncer, he's the bouncer has

1612
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:54,100
to be trained in serving alcohol,

1613
01:17:54,100 --> 01:17:56,033
but he does, he doesn't serve anyone alcohol.

1614
01:18:00,266 --> 01:18:03,333
Alright. If there's no further discussion on Mr.

1615
01:18:03,634 --> 01:18:07,066
Patterson's motion, all those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

1616
01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:10,867
Aye. Any opposed? Say no. That motion passes.

1617
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:13,100
Any anyone wanna bring forward a motion

1618
01:18:13,233 --> 01:18:14,367
on the private agreement?

1619
01:18:16,166 --> 01:18:18,934
- Aye, before I do that, is there any, are any of these,

1620
01:18:19,100 --> 01:18:20,934
does anybody feel strongly about any of these?

1621
01:18:21,033 --> 01:18:25,700
Eight, seven? I'll start by number four.

1622
01:18:26,100 --> 01:18:27,100
Makes sense to me.

1623
01:18:30,867 --> 01:18:32,066
- I'll just say I see value,

1624
01:18:32,533 --> 01:18:34,066
I see some value in redundancies.

1625
01:18:35,033 --> 01:18:37,533
I mean, especially if they're already there, you know,

1626
01:18:37,533 --> 01:18:39,033
taking them out, going back like I,

1627
01:18:39,634 --> 01:18:41,133
the value in redundancies

1628
01:18:41,333 --> 01:18:43,500
to me is establishing a track record

1629
01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:45,533
and establishing a paper trail.

1630
01:18:45,767 --> 01:18:47,367
Like this is what was agreed to here.

1631
01:18:47,634 --> 01:18:49,367
This is what's agreed to at the state level.

1632
01:18:49,433 --> 01:18:51,266
Like this is what you're required by the state.

1633
01:18:51,900 --> 01:18:53,000
We're doing that as well.

1634
01:18:53,066 --> 01:18:57,066
Like, it's not inherently like inefficient

1635
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,700
again, like we we're, maybe we will not need to refer back

1636
01:19:02,700 --> 01:19:04,367
to this agreement at any point in the future.

1637
01:19:04,433 --> 01:19:08,100
That's what we hope. But this agreement exists for a reason.

1638
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:10,700
- Let me pull that thread. Even if we do, what are we gonna

1639
01:19:10,700 --> 01:19:11,934
- Do exactly? Like, but that's

1640
01:19:11,934 --> 01:19:13,033
- Where, where are our teeth?

1641
01:19:13,033 --> 01:19:15,634
Otherwise we filed a document that like, oh,

1642
01:19:15,634 --> 01:19:18,567
magically like we, what can we do with it?

1643
01:19:19,033 --> 01:19:20,567
But I should ask the chief

1644
01:19:20,567 --> 01:19:23,133
and the manager like these things in here.

1645
01:19:23,266 --> 01:19:27,133
Like, hey, thou show have, you know, security cameras like,

1646
01:19:27,166 --> 01:19:31,066
you know, smoking and having people trained on alcohol.

1647
01:19:31,300 --> 01:19:33,033
Like, does that do anything for you?

1648
01:19:33,066 --> 01:19:35,567
Does that help you and give you teeth to do anything?

1649
01:19:39,033 --> 01:19:40,133
Yeah, go ahead.

1650
01:19:41,033 --> 01:19:42,934
- Yeah, I think, you know, some of those things,

1651
01:19:43,033 --> 01:19:44,066
I mean we was brought up here,

1652
01:19:44,033 --> 01:19:46,467
you you mentioned about why does the balancer have to be

1653
01:19:47,133 --> 01:19:48,634
trained in serving alcohol

1654
01:19:48,634 --> 01:19:50,700
because they're the people that are letting people

1655
01:19:50,834 --> 01:19:52,000
into the establishment.

1656
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,000
Right? Or not. And they're trained

1657
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,934
and they're, they're asked to be trained so

1658
01:19:56,033 --> 01:19:57,734
that they're not letting already intoxicated

1659
01:19:57,734 --> 01:19:58,867
individuals into Yeah.

1660
01:19:58,900 --> 01:20:00,000
Into the establishment.

1661
01:20:00,166 --> 01:20:01,700
So that's why they get that kind of training,

1662
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,266
having all these things.

1663
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:08,100
I can speak also from, from my, my the borough's perspective

1664
01:20:08,834 --> 01:20:10,500
a a little bit like I know Tom has,

1665
01:20:11,367 --> 01:20:13,300
but having all these things and making sure they have it,

1666
01:20:13,300 --> 01:20:14,734
certainly having cameras

1667
01:20:14,867 --> 01:20:16,700
and things like that on the, on the premises,

1668
01:20:16,867 --> 01:20:20,033
which I'm sure they will is helpful in investigations.

1669
01:20:20,033 --> 01:20:21,100
Yeah. And, and things like that.

1670
01:20:21,567 --> 01:20:25,634
It's also helpful in regards to when we have

1671
01:20:26,133 --> 01:20:28,066
complaints of employee misconduct

1672
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,533
and things like that, that go to the police.

1673
01:20:30,767 --> 01:20:34,300
Okay. From my experience with these,

1674
01:20:35,467 --> 01:20:37,100
I was involved in a little bit of this with the Borough.

1675
01:20:37,867 --> 01:20:41,033
Awful. A lot of these constraints were put on these liquor

1676
01:20:41,033 --> 01:20:44,133
licenses because the Borough actually has more liquor

1677
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:45,867
licenses than they should.

1678
01:20:46,367 --> 01:20:48,033
As per what?

1679
01:20:48,033 --> 01:20:52,100
The LCB, you know

1680
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:53,934
what they say per number

1681
01:20:53,934 --> 01:20:56,567
of people you should have liquor establishments.

1682
01:20:57,433 --> 01:20:59,867
They have some kind of rule for that or whatnot.

1683
01:20:59,867 --> 01:21:01,333
And the borough's way over that. 'cause there's a lot

1684
01:21:01,333 --> 01:21:03,333
of liquor license that come into the Borough.

1685
01:21:03,433 --> 01:21:04,533
So a lot of the constraints

1686
01:21:04,533 --> 01:21:08,000
and stuff they were putting on those is things like,

1687
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,934
you're not allowed to operate a bottle shop

1688
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:11,533
off of it as well.

1689
01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:14,634
You're not allowed to operate multiple businesses.

1690
01:21:15,033 --> 01:21:19,367
There's the food, the food ratio that really has to do

1691
01:21:19,433 --> 01:21:21,100
with making sure this,

1692
01:21:21,900 --> 01:21:24,367
this establishment doesn't just become a bar

1693
01:21:25,533 --> 01:21:29,734
that usually does cause us more problems than a,

1694
01:21:29,867 --> 01:21:31,500
an establishment that serves food.

1695
01:21:32,667 --> 01:21:34,100
So those are some of the things I looked

1696
01:21:34,100 --> 01:21:35,066
at with within the Borough.

1697
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:37,266
I've not looked closely at exactly what all these,

1698
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,033
I mean I could look at it right now,

1699
01:21:39,133 --> 01:21:43,734
but what all, all of these civil agreement, the seven,

1700
01:21:46,100 --> 01:21:47,300
the, the yeah.

1701
01:21:47,500 --> 01:21:50,000
The seven things that are on the civil agreement.

1702
01:21:50,634 --> 01:21:53,000
But those are what that's kind of for, to kind of control,

1703
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,333
hey, this is an extra liquor license coming to within this

1704
01:21:56,567 --> 01:22:00,100
Township and make sure that it's handled properly and,

1705
01:22:01,133 --> 01:22:03,066
and that it, it doesn't become a bar

1706
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:05,033
or something like that, that is going

1707
01:22:05,033 --> 01:22:07,734
to cause a lot more police services.

1708
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:09,767
'cause that's typically what happens. Yeah.

1709
01:22:12,266 --> 01:22:13,634
Is that somewhat helpful?

1710
01:22:15,033 --> 01:22:16,266
- Yes. Yes.

1711
01:22:16,767 --> 01:22:19,834
More, more helpful would be yes,

1712
01:22:19,834 --> 01:22:21,567
these seven will help me or no, they won't.

1713
01:22:21,834 --> 01:22:23,834
'cause I, I think that's, that's really what this is about

1714
01:22:24,567 --> 01:22:29,033
is can the staff of this Township like

1715
01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:31,266
execute the work of the Township?

1716
01:22:31,367 --> 01:22:33,834
Is this gonna be helpful in our work?

1717
01:22:33,900 --> 01:22:36,867
And so the cameras absolutely. And that's number four.

1718
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:39,333
And that's the one that I said I actually do feel strongly

1719
01:22:39,367 --> 01:22:40,934
about that should be in here.

1720
01:22:41,333 --> 01:22:45,033
But you know, one of 'em, gosh, I lost my page.

1721
01:22:45,867 --> 01:22:47,333
Oh here, it's one of 'em was,

1722
01:22:48,233 --> 01:22:51,867
owner must ensure accountability of financial transactions

1723
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:53,734
to mitigate occurrence of identity theft

1724
01:22:54,166 --> 01:22:57,734
and credit card for all that kind of ties into the cameras.

1725
01:22:58,500 --> 01:22:59,934
You know, if somebody's over there, you know,

1726
01:22:59,934 --> 01:23:02,266
taking pictures of credit cards underneath the,

1727
01:23:02,266 --> 01:23:04,734
the register cameras would probably catch that.

1728
01:23:04,900 --> 01:23:07,467
And so do we really need that? Correct. Okay.

1729
01:23:08,100 --> 01:23:11,767
- I will just say, I, I don't know how familiar you are

1730
01:23:11,767 --> 01:23:14,266
with it and I don't know how familiar our,

1731
01:23:14,834 --> 01:23:17,300
our like regional police are familiar with it,

1732
01:23:17,367 --> 01:23:20,834
but like, you know, card duplicating technologies

1733
01:23:20,900 --> 01:23:23,533
and like, you know, I I,

1734
01:23:23,567 --> 01:23:25,300
this is gonna sound like I'm getting into the nitty gritty

1735
01:23:25,300 --> 01:23:27,700
real quick, but like, just as a an example,

1736
01:23:27,834 --> 01:23:29,767
but like, are those cameras of high enough resolution

1737
01:23:29,767 --> 01:23:31,033
to detect somebody putting a,

1738
01:23:31,066 --> 01:23:34,266
a car duplicating machine on the, you know,

1739
01:23:34,266 --> 01:23:35,467
on the gas pump for example?

1740
01:23:35,467 --> 01:23:40,100
Right. And I like, I can kind of see where you're going

1741
01:23:40,100 --> 01:23:43,066
with it, but again, I just feel like, well this,

1742
01:23:43,266 --> 01:23:44,634
this says y'all were responsible

1743
01:23:44,634 --> 01:23:45,834
for making sure that didn't happen.

1744
01:23:46,433 --> 01:23:48,033
- No. But even in your example,

1745
01:23:48,033 --> 01:23:49,367
number one doesn't account for that.

1746
01:23:49,567 --> 01:23:51,000
It says the owner must ensure,

1747
01:23:51,734 --> 01:23:53,266
- Oh, employee account, - Employee accountability.

1748
01:23:53,266 --> 01:23:55,734
Well then not the accountability of somebody driving up

1749
01:23:55,734 --> 01:23:57,033
and putting a duplicator in there. Yep.

1750
01:23:57,100 --> 01:24:01,100
- See employee, - It's been,

1751
01:24:01,433 --> 01:24:06,100
especially working for a, for formerly working

1752
01:24:06,033 --> 01:24:09,266
for a large box retailer that did have a

1753
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:11,233
data breach of credit cards.

1754
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:14,567
Like a lot of companies now have put in a lot

1755
01:24:14,567 --> 01:24:18,533
of internal protocols to ensure those protections.

1756
01:24:19,867 --> 01:24:22,000
Yeah. And I'll leave that at that.

1757
01:24:25,734 --> 01:24:27,266
Either Mr. Heller or Mr. King.

1758
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:31,834
- I was just gonna see if I could float to motion. Yeah.

1759
01:24:32,033 --> 01:24:34,333
One word in here that I think folks might be happy with,

1760
01:24:34,834 --> 01:24:36,333
but I don't know Mr. King.

1761
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,567
- Well, we can always defer back to, I was

1762
01:24:39,567 --> 01:24:43,867
- Just gonna just rec suggest that I could come back

1763
01:24:43,867 --> 01:24:48,367
to the board with a recommendation on conditions

1764
01:24:48,367 --> 01:24:51,867
that we ought to consider putting on using these conditions

1765
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,567
and look at them, check

1766
01:24:53,934 --> 01:24:57,066
and find out what exactly is enforceable,

1767
01:24:57,233 --> 01:24:59,433
who would force it, similar to what Mr.

1768
01:24:59,767 --> 01:25:00,834
Keo has suggested.

1769
01:25:01,166 --> 01:25:03,834
Find out what's most important for the Township to have

1770
01:25:03,834 --> 01:25:05,133
and for they, it's not critical.

1771
01:25:05,367 --> 01:25:07,467
Maybe take it off. Maybe there's something on here

1772
01:25:07,467 --> 01:25:10,233
that we didn't include that would be good to include

1773
01:25:10,266 --> 01:25:12,433
and discuss those with the solicitor

1774
01:25:12,467 --> 01:25:15,834
and come back specifically with a recommendation

1775
01:25:15,834 --> 01:25:18,934
of let's include these X number

1776
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:20,900
of conditions Yeah.

1777
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:23,000
And then use that as a baseline moving forward.

1778
01:25:24,734 --> 01:25:25,834
- I I'm not in favor of that.

1779
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:29,333
I, I, sorry, I'm in favor of half of that. Okay.

1780
01:25:29,333 --> 01:25:32,500
The first half is like we should I,

1781
01:25:32,734 --> 01:25:34,500
well no, actually I'm not in favor of any of it.

1782
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:35,900
And here's why. Number one,

1783
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,634
we should just make a decision on what we want

1784
01:25:38,066 --> 01:25:40,133
and say, Mr. King, here's what we want.

1785
01:25:40,133 --> 01:25:43,133
Period. And staff can get it done of the seven.

1786
01:25:43,533 --> 01:25:45,066
And if you feel like there's something else

1787
01:25:45,066 --> 01:25:47,033
that I can guess part that I agree with, if there,

1788
01:25:47,066 --> 01:25:48,433
if you see something else, let's,

1789
01:25:48,767 --> 01:25:51,333
but I'm also not in favor of like renegotiating

1790
01:25:51,333 --> 01:25:54,000
with rudders, but if RUS has something that they're like,

1791
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,834
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do that, we're doing that anyway

1792
01:25:55,867 --> 01:25:57,000
and we can put it in fine.

1793
01:25:59,567 --> 01:26:00,634
So I, I just don't,

1794
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:02,100
I don't wanna come back for the sake coming back.

1795
01:26:02,233 --> 01:26:03,934
I wanna just like, here's what we think.

1796
01:26:03,934 --> 01:26:05,867
There's seven that we already, we already approved a year,

1797
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:07,233
you know, a year ago, six months ago,

1798
01:26:08,033 --> 01:26:09,500
let's just get to the end here.

1799
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:13,000
And, and whether it's all seven

1800
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,000
or just the subset, that's where I was going was,

1801
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:16,934
is there a subset that we feel strongly about?

1802
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:19,066
Let's go with that. Otherwise.

1803
01:26:22,900 --> 01:26:24,500
- So I was gonna say I was in favor of

1804
01:26:24,500 --> 01:26:27,834
what manager King had said, but I, I do get Mr.

1805
01:26:28,066 --> 01:26:31,100
Patterson's point. This has already kind of been agreed

1806
01:26:31,033 --> 01:26:32,467
to upon rudders,

1807
01:26:32,467 --> 01:26:34,367
but think thinking forward,

1808
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,100
like we did say there's like another pro,

1809
01:26:37,467 --> 01:26:40,700
possibly another establishment in the Township

1810
01:26:40,700 --> 01:26:42,867
that nearby there.

1811
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,033
And I, I got to thinking,

1812
01:26:44,133 --> 01:26:47,033
I don't even know if we've even talked about Wawa.

1813
01:26:47,166 --> 01:26:49,934
You know, I imagine they're gonna have a liquor license,

1814
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,834
you know, so just something to kinda like

1815
01:26:53,433 --> 01:26:56,500
shape things forward would be nice

1816
01:26:56,500 --> 01:26:58,533
to maybe explore while we're at it.

1817
01:27:00,834 --> 01:27:03,634
But yeah, that was my take on that. Mr.

1818
01:27:03,834 --> 01:27:05,100
Heller. With all that said,

1819
01:27:05,266 --> 01:27:07,066
- I, I have two flavors of motions here

1820
01:27:07,233 --> 01:27:09,567
and I don't know if I need to flip a coin at this point,

1821
01:27:09,667 --> 01:27:10,700
but I'll revert back

1822
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:13,233
to the original and just start with this one.

1823
01:27:13,333 --> 01:27:15,467
I move that the board of Supervisors, direct staff

1824
01:27:15,467 --> 01:27:19,266
to develop a proposal of new conditions of the license

1825
01:27:19,634 --> 01:27:21,734
with rudders that are not redundant

1826
01:27:21,834 --> 01:27:25,066
to currently existing federal, state or local regulations,

1827
01:27:25,133 --> 01:27:26,634
but rather act in the best interest

1828
01:27:27,066 --> 01:27:29,467
and safety of the community as discussed this evening.

1829
01:27:32,133 --> 01:27:34,567
- Anyone wanna second that one? This is Trevor. I'll second.

1830
01:27:35,133 --> 01:27:39,133
Okay. So got motion by Mr. Heller.

1831
01:27:39,133 --> 01:27:42,066
Seconded by Mr. White discussion.

1832
01:27:49,867 --> 01:27:52,000
- I, I don't, I don't agree with a new set.

1833
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:53,500
I think that's, yeah, I think

1834
01:27:53,500 --> 01:27:55,667
that's the words I was going on,

1835
01:27:55,667 --> 01:27:57,433
but it's the new set that don't do a thing.

1836
01:27:58,133 --> 01:27:59,567
This is already negotiated.

1837
01:27:59,734 --> 01:28:03,500
So if you're willing to maybe go with like proposal,

1838
01:28:04,133 --> 01:28:07,634
figuring out which of these seven don't con conflict with

1839
01:28:08,133 --> 01:28:10,634
already existing federal, state, local, then I think that,

1840
01:28:10,634 --> 01:28:13,066
that you've got a, you've got a winner there. So

1841
01:28:13,066 --> 01:28:14,634
- If I just remove the word new

1842
01:28:14,867 --> 01:28:17,066
and just say proposal of conditions of the license

1843
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:21,300
that are not redundant to currently existing federal, state

1844
01:28:21,300 --> 01:28:24,066
or local regulations, but rather act in the best interest

1845
01:28:24,100 --> 01:28:26,033
and safety of the community as discussed this evening.

1846
01:28:28,133 --> 01:28:29,166
- Use the word that

1847
01:28:30,734 --> 01:28:34,100
- The only problem is we don't, like,

1848
01:28:34,900 --> 01:28:38,066
we got five people here in this space right now.

1849
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:40,834
And so we need, we either need to pick the ones

1850
01:28:40,834 --> 01:28:43,133
that are like, yep, duh, and move on.

1851
01:28:43,634 --> 01:28:46,066
Or like, we're gonna waste time, I think.

1852
01:28:46,634 --> 01:28:48,066
'cause then we're gonna get back here, you know,

1853
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:51,066
a month later, two weeks later we're gonna look at it again.

1854
01:28:51,133 --> 01:28:53,066
Like, oh, I don't like that one. Gotta bring it back.

1855
01:28:53,133 --> 01:28:57,000
Or, you know, like, like that's where this

1856
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,266
- Was a five minute discussion. No, but yes.

1857
01:29:00,900 --> 01:29:02,867
- Yeah, - So exactly.

1858
01:29:03,266 --> 01:29:06,100
- I'm good with shoot it down and we can go through these

1859
01:29:06,166 --> 01:29:07,567
and just, you know, line 'em out.

1860
01:29:07,667 --> 01:29:09,100
I'm, I'm fine with that too. Really.

1861
01:29:10,066 --> 01:29:12,533
- So, so did you modify your motion?

1862
01:29:14,033 --> 01:29:16,000
- No, because it was gonna get shot down. Okay. Okay.

1863
01:29:16,266 --> 01:29:21,133
Either way. So let's shoot this one down

1864
01:29:21,500 --> 01:29:23,133
and then move on.

1865
01:29:24,266 --> 01:29:26,133
- So call, call it Or you you want to?

1866
01:29:26,033 --> 01:29:27,867
I, I, I'm trying to think.

1867
01:29:27,867 --> 01:29:29,433
You could probably even withdraw. Draw the motion.

1868
01:29:29,700 --> 01:29:32,033
- I withdraw the motion. Okay. That was easy.

1869
01:29:33,033 --> 01:29:34,133
- Well, do we have a new motion?

1870
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,000
- No. No.

1871
01:29:36,066 --> 01:29:40,033
- Okay. So much for repeal and replaced.

1872
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:44,333
- Okay, so I said number four is one that's like, yes.

1873
01:29:44,333 --> 01:29:47,100
Let's do that. Does anybody else have one of those seven

1874
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:50,233
that we wanna, that we feel strongly about that needs

1875
01:29:50,233 --> 01:29:51,467
to go into some sort of private agreement?

1876
01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:57,433
- I'm gonna go back to what Tom had said earlier is

1877
01:29:57,567 --> 01:29:59,100
that it's about consistency.

1878
01:29:59,233 --> 01:30:01,066
So some of the things that were in there,

1879
01:30:01,033 --> 01:30:02,567
not everything is gonna be a gas station.

1880
01:30:02,767 --> 01:30:05,734
So maybe we do want the no smoking sign. Do you know what I

1881
01:30:05,734 --> 01:30:06,734
- Mean?

1882
01:30:06,734 --> 01:30:09,734
- Yeah. So I would just say, let's, let's staff do it

1883
01:30:10,300 --> 01:30:11,734
the way that Tom had suggested

1884
01:30:11,934 --> 01:30:13,900
- A gas station without a no smoking sign. But not

1885
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:16,467
- Every liquor license is going to a gas station.

1886
01:30:16,767 --> 01:30:18,667
So this is consistency from across the

1887
01:30:18,667 --> 01:30:20,000
- Board, right? If I may.

1888
01:30:20,066 --> 01:30:23,266
- So that's why Giant has all the seats in there

1889
01:30:23,867 --> 01:30:27,567
because they have to, to be classified as a restaurant.

1890
01:30:28,033 --> 01:30:29,467
Like this is all like, and this is why the,

1891
01:30:29,467 --> 01:30:31,500
the gas stations have the ceases.

1892
01:30:31,634 --> 01:30:33,066
'cause this is a restaurant liquor license

1893
01:30:33,066 --> 01:30:33,266
- Seats. Yeah.

1894
01:30:33,266 --> 01:30:36,700
- Yeah. So like not every, they're classified differently.

1895
01:30:36,767 --> 01:30:38,033
So I actually do think to your point,

1896
01:30:38,033 --> 01:30:39,166
like you're absolutely right.

1897
01:30:39,166 --> 01:30:42,834
There are, I was there for, for this meeting, Mr. Keo.

1898
01:30:42,867 --> 01:30:46,734
And yes, this resulted in me doing a, an in-depth analysis

1899
01:30:47,533 --> 01:30:49,066
and in that in-depth analysis,

1900
01:30:49,033 --> 01:30:52,367
there are four different types of establishments

1901
01:30:52,367 --> 01:30:54,900
that have restaurants, liquor licenses here

1902
01:30:55,066 --> 01:30:58,900
and it's gas stations, restaurants, grocery stores,

1903
01:30:59,066 --> 01:31:01,266
and then things that have turned into bars.

1904
01:31:02,100 --> 01:31:04,000
Those are the four. And so I do think

1905
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,033
for consistency's sake,

1906
01:31:05,033 --> 01:31:06,634
like this is actually kind of important.

1907
01:31:07,667 --> 01:31:11,700
- I move to take the conditions from the document,

1908
01:31:12,100 --> 01:31:15,066
put 'em in a private agreement and work with RU

1909
01:31:15,333 --> 01:31:19,500
and get it official with the RU

1910
01:31:20,033 --> 01:31:22,100
- Second pat. Oh, sorry

1911
01:31:22,266 --> 01:31:23,266
- With that.

1912
01:31:23,367 --> 01:31:25,133
- No, no, that's fine. Not seconded.

1913
01:31:25,300 --> 01:31:28,033
- Got a motion by Mr. Patterson. Second by Mr. Heller.

1914
01:31:28,166 --> 01:31:29,467
Any discussion on that one?

1915
01:31:31,634 --> 01:31:32,634
- Yes, - Mr.

1916
01:31:32,634 --> 01:31:34,033
- Can we track this onto our fee? This discussion?

1917
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,000
This is staff time.

1918
01:31:37,066 --> 01:31:37,900
- I'm gonna start charging.

1919
01:31:38,166 --> 01:31:41,133
- That's, that's what I'm saying. Thousand dollars.

1920
01:31:41,066 --> 01:31:42,367
- You guys are killing me - Up to seven.

1921
01:31:46,233 --> 01:31:48,367
- Alright. Any other discussion on that?

1922
01:31:50,367 --> 01:31:52,867
Since, since this went over five minutes.

1923
01:31:53,100 --> 01:31:54,266
Does that mean it was fluid?

1924
01:31:55,066 --> 01:31:59,233
- Go with dynamic. - Dynamic? Okay. Motion on the table.

1925
01:31:59,333 --> 01:32:03,700
All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no.

1926
01:32:04,166 --> 01:32:07,000
Right. Does anyone have anything else?

1927
01:32:08,033 --> 01:32:09,066
- Negative. - Thank

1928
01:32:09,066 --> 01:32:10,066
- You.

1929
01:32:10,066 --> 01:32:10,934
We've given Mr. King enough work.

1930
01:32:12,166 --> 01:32:16,000
- This is easy. - Yeah. Cut Past, past.

1931
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,000
- All right, - Sounds like

1932
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:20,266
- Consent manager getting here.

1933
01:32:20,533 --> 01:32:23,033
- Yeah. Moving on to new business.

1934
01:32:24,867 --> 01:32:27,133
We have three items on the Consent Agenda tonight.

1935
01:32:27,233 --> 01:32:28,867
One of them being a donation request

1936
01:32:28,867 --> 01:32:31,233
for a soldier's hand walk to remember our fallen

1937
01:32:31,834 --> 01:32:34,533
a donation request for the community diversity group

1938
01:32:34,634 --> 01:32:39,000
and a request for surety release for Laron storage facility

1939
01:32:39,767 --> 01:32:41,066
other than item B.

1940
01:32:41,166 --> 01:32:43,634
Did anyone want to pull items A or c?

1941
01:32:44,033 --> 01:32:46,100
- I would like to pull item A as well. Okay.

1942
01:32:46,133 --> 01:32:48,100
- We will just go by these one by one tonight.

1943
01:32:48,367 --> 01:32:50,266
Donation requests the soldier's hand walk

1944
01:32:50,266 --> 01:32:52,634
to remember our fallen Mr. Heller.

1945
01:32:53,333 --> 01:32:55,500
- I'm good with the two donation requests. I'll lump in.

1946
01:32:56,033 --> 01:32:58,634
I just need to know where, where's our balance of the $5,000

1947
01:32:58,767 --> 01:33:00,066
that we had allocated,

1948
01:33:01,500 --> 01:33:05,533
- There's actually $6,000 and there's $4,000 remaining.

1949
01:33:05,734 --> 01:33:09,734
Oh, okay. 'cause the, the one was part of the community

1950
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:12,467
or economic development.

1951
01:33:14,133 --> 01:33:17,133
- Thank you. So for me, $1,300 being requested tonight

1952
01:33:17,133 --> 01:33:18,166
for both of these motions.

1953
01:33:18,166 --> 01:33:20,266
That's what I needed to hear. That was my only question.

1954
01:33:20,266 --> 01:33:22,066
The reason for pulling them, so thank you.

1955
01:33:22,700 --> 01:33:26,700
- Okay, - Well on item A that

1956
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:30,133
I guess it, it looked like it was helping out

1957
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,166
or was item B, which, which one was helping out the,

1958
01:33:34,233 --> 01:33:36,133
like overseas or something?

1959
01:33:36,634 --> 01:33:38,133
A Oh, that's a, that's item A.

1960
01:33:39,133 --> 01:33:42,000
So I think the intent of those dollars were local.

1961
01:33:42,133 --> 01:33:46,533
So like when we do the flags in the, in the, at the, at the,

1962
01:33:47,734 --> 01:33:49,100
this was for our walks Cemetery.

1963
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:52,066
The cemetery. Yeah.

1964
01:33:52,066 --> 01:33:53,467
But somewhere in there it says like,

1965
01:33:53,500 --> 01:33:56,900
the dollars will be used for the, yeah, the USSA Abraham.

1966
01:33:57,734 --> 01:34:00,500
- Well I think that's their mission.

1967
01:34:00,667 --> 01:34:05,066
But this was for the walk as, as I read it, it was

1968
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:07,433
to fund their walk before the, the bosberg

1969
01:34:07,734 --> 01:34:09,667
to kick off the burg Memorial Day.

1970
01:34:09,867 --> 01:34:12,033
Mm. It was to help defra the cost so

1971
01:34:12,033 --> 01:34:16,133
that all their money can then I, yeah,

1972
01:34:16,467 --> 01:34:17,500
I think it's, it's local.

1973
01:34:17,734 --> 01:34:19,266
It's for a walk down in Bosberg.

1974
01:34:20,100 --> 01:34:22,634
- Basically we help with financial facilitation

1975
01:34:22,634 --> 01:34:23,767
of the event here

1976
01:34:24,367 --> 01:34:27,166
and then what proceeds they raise from the event

1977
01:34:28,367 --> 01:34:30,667
are then for that other thing.

1978
01:34:34,133 --> 01:34:34,433
- Huh?

1979
01:34:40,166 --> 01:34:43,934
- So, so at this event, this walk, there's,

1980
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,867
I guess folks are raising money

1981
01:34:46,834 --> 01:34:48,734
to then go and do some other stuff.

1982
01:34:49,433 --> 01:34:51,166
- Kinda like a 5K registration fee.

1983
01:34:51,266 --> 01:34:53,433
I, I would imagine, you know, like that's how,

1984
01:34:53,433 --> 01:34:55,000
like all the five Ks or whatever that I,

1985
01:34:55,033 --> 01:34:56,033
- Yeah.

1986
01:34:56,033 --> 01:34:57,100
Have we funded things like this in the past? Past?

1987
01:34:57,266 --> 01:35:00,834
I feel like the things that we've funded, there's no like

1988
01:35:01,567 --> 01:35:04,266
raising more money to go put more money somewhere else.

1989
01:35:04,867 --> 01:35:07,934
It's almost like, I'm just thinking about the two things

1990
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000
last, last meeting.

1991
01:35:09,133 --> 01:35:11,033
It was, there's a thing they're putting

1992
01:35:11,033 --> 01:35:12,000
on an event for the people.

1993
01:35:12,734 --> 01:35:14,533
We're not raising more dollars at that event.

1994
01:35:14,734 --> 01:35:16,066
It's, it's for that event.

1995
01:35:16,367 --> 01:35:18,000
The senior center, Hey, we've got some money.

1996
01:35:18,500 --> 01:35:20,033
We're gonna do these things with the seniors.

1997
01:35:20,767 --> 01:35:22,033
It's for the seniors at this place.

1998
01:35:22,033 --> 01:35:24,066
They're not like, Hey seniors, give us more money so

1999
01:35:24,066 --> 01:35:25,100
that we can go do another thing.

2000
01:35:26,100 --> 01:35:29,133
This seems a little bit, this is, it seems like a horse

2001
01:35:29,133 --> 01:35:30,533
of a different color to me,

2002
01:35:30,667 --> 01:35:32,767
but I I I hope somebody can clarify

2003
01:35:32,934 --> 01:35:35,033
for me what this is doing.

2004
01:35:36,233 --> 01:35:39,634
'cause it's not a singularly focused in the area

2005
01:35:39,934 --> 01:35:41,033
for the people of Ferguson.

2006
01:35:41,033 --> 01:35:42,700
It's doing something else that's raising more

2007
01:35:42,700 --> 01:35:44,066
money for another thing.

2008
01:35:44,467 --> 01:35:47,634
And I, I'm not sure I'm in agreeance with that over

2009
01:35:48,166 --> 01:35:51,734
- Just gonna say, I imagine it's even kind of maybe similar

2010
01:35:51,900 --> 01:35:56,033
to like PML, you get a corporate sponsor

2011
01:35:56,133 --> 01:35:58,000
that buys like the handbags

2012
01:35:58,066 --> 01:36:00,700
that they give you when you attend a conference.

2013
01:36:00,867 --> 01:36:04,734
And, but again, yeah.

2014
01:36:05,467 --> 01:36:09,033
Not to complicate it further, maybe with Manager King can

2015
01:36:09,834 --> 01:36:11,033
in enlighten us on something.

2016
01:36:11,033 --> 01:36:13,567
- Well, I can just share what's on the application.

2017
01:36:13,667 --> 01:36:17,767
The application was to bring families together in burg

2018
01:36:17,934 --> 01:36:19,033
for this walk

2019
01:36:19,467 --> 01:36:22,300
and the description of how the funds in condemn donations

2020
01:36:22,333 --> 01:36:23,567
or resources would be used.

2021
01:36:23,634 --> 01:36:25,467
It's helped to defray the cost of this event.

2022
01:36:25,567 --> 01:36:28,867
Proceeds, proceeds over the expenses, help

2023
01:36:28,867 --> 01:36:32,734
with our everyday mission of our active military veteran

2024
01:36:33,133 --> 01:36:35,700
Gold star families, patriotic awareness

2025
01:36:36,667 --> 01:36:38,000
and the Pennsylvania Guard.

2026
01:36:38,867 --> 01:36:41,000
I think it's to help defray the cost of the event

2027
01:36:41,367 --> 01:36:45,567
- Right - At, at in bosberg over Memorial Day.

2028
01:36:46,734 --> 01:36:48,934
- Like did they need to like, put down money

2029
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,634
to use the event space?

2030
01:36:51,900 --> 01:36:55,567
Are they maybe like getting like tents or even like food

2031
01:36:55,634 --> 01:36:58,033
or water for the participants?

2032
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:01,367
- I would say it's three miles long at least.

2033
01:37:01,433 --> 01:37:03,500
So that's, you know, you're gonna have probably,

2034
01:37:03,533 --> 01:37:05,100
I would imagine at least one water station.

2035
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:07,266
So you probably have some volunteers like

2036
01:37:07,266 --> 01:37:09,000
yeah, like all that stuff. But like

2037
01:37:09,166 --> 01:37:10,834
- I'm just seeing those kind of things.

2038
01:37:11,033 --> 01:37:13,000
- Yeah, I I I hear where you're coming from.

2039
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,000
Supervisor Patterson.

2040
01:37:14,533 --> 01:37:17,000
I I, but I would say like the difference

2041
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,333
between an event like this that is also like raising funds

2042
01:37:20,667 --> 01:37:24,367
and any other event is that eventually like that event

2043
01:37:25,834 --> 01:37:27,567
like, so we, we can take like any kind of panel

2044
01:37:27,734 --> 01:37:30,367
or whatever, even if that panel is not immediately raising

2045
01:37:30,433 --> 01:37:34,000
funds there after receiving a donation request,

2046
01:37:34,266 --> 01:37:37,000
like they would still be getting a larger platform

2047
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,700
to eventually raise funds.

2048
01:37:38,700 --> 01:37:41,300
And so I just see this as like maybe like one degree remove

2049
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:44,734
from like what nonprofits due.

2050
01:37:45,667 --> 01:37:47,100
And so I, I don't really see any,

2051
01:37:47,233 --> 01:37:49,934
any big issue with, with this.

2052
01:37:50,900 --> 01:37:52,467
But that's just me.

2053
01:37:53,100 --> 01:37:55,767
- And, and let me be clear with two vets sitting on this,

2054
01:37:56,066 --> 01:37:58,033
this table or more, I apologize,

2055
01:37:58,133 --> 01:37:59,233
I don't know everybody else's military

2056
01:37:59,233 --> 01:38:00,567
background, but thank you.

2057
01:38:00,767 --> 01:38:03,100
Thank everybody. But the third page,

2058
01:38:03,100 --> 01:38:04,634
it says The soldier hand is a nonprofit

2059
01:38:04,634 --> 01:38:06,567
that serves entire deployed units.

2060
01:38:06,567 --> 01:38:08,700
Currently we're working on USS Gerald Ford,

2061
01:38:09,033 --> 01:38:11,634
USSA Ram Lincoln both deployed to the Middle East.

2062
01:38:11,900 --> 01:38:13,133
They're think of Epic Fury.

2063
01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:15,000
This represents approximately 9,500 troops.

2064
01:38:15,567 --> 01:38:17,634
So there's again, this other thing

2065
01:38:18,033 --> 01:38:19,233
that's happening elsewhere.

2066
01:38:19,500 --> 01:38:23,000
So if this wasn't here, I have zero questions about a walk

2067
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,000
in Boberg that likely Ferguson residents are gonna go

2068
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,567
to and, and enjoy.

2069
01:38:30,467 --> 01:38:31,533
But this page is here

2070
01:38:31,533 --> 01:38:33,133
and so I can't overlook the fact

2071
01:38:34,033 --> 01:38:36,100
that there's this other thing happening elsewhere

2072
01:38:37,266 --> 01:38:40,066
that isn't a direct Ferguson Township thing.

2073
01:38:40,367 --> 01:38:42,100
And so that's where my item

2074
01:38:42,100 --> 01:38:43,100
- Yeah.

2075
01:38:44,100 --> 01:38:45,634
And if I may, I believe the author

2076
01:38:45,634 --> 01:38:47,700
of this is really just trying to show you the breadth

2077
01:38:47,834 --> 01:38:49,066
of the organization

2078
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:54,300
and felt that I, not to put myself in, not

2079
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:55,634
to put my words in her mouth,

2080
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,033
but felt that this was probably just describing the

2081
01:38:59,033 --> 01:39:00,066
scope of the organization.

2082
01:39:00,066 --> 01:39:02,000
Give you a sense of what else they do

2083
01:39:02,166 --> 01:39:03,767
besides this thing that they are doing

2084
01:39:03,867 --> 01:39:05,367
and hoping to get funding for in burg.

2085
01:39:05,900 --> 01:39:10,233
So I have had personal interactions with,

2086
01:39:10,266 --> 01:39:13,133
with Trish, I've met her at a couple events here.

2087
01:39:13,233 --> 01:39:15,934
So I know that they are active in the community

2088
01:39:16,166 --> 01:39:17,300
and I will say they're also

2089
01:39:17,300 --> 01:39:18,867
well-respected within the community.

2090
01:39:23,033 --> 01:39:24,767
- And I do see something else there that says like,

2091
01:39:24,767 --> 01:39:25,867
oh please write a note from home

2092
01:39:25,867 --> 01:39:27,367
that will be sent to a deployed troop.

2093
01:39:27,367 --> 01:39:30,000
So like this also does help to, yeah. Yeah.

2094
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:32,333
I dunno, there's a lot that the local

2095
01:39:33,133 --> 01:39:35,934
we'll say like residents can do to support this.

2096
01:39:35,934 --> 01:39:38,367
And so it basically acts as like a, a bridge

2097
01:39:38,667 --> 01:39:41,266
and I dunno, I feel like this is kind of in the spirit of

2098
01:39:42,133 --> 01:39:44,266
community building Community.

2099
01:39:44,667 --> 01:39:46,634
- Yeah. I, yeah.

2100
01:39:46,767 --> 01:39:50,734
And I also note on this last page, the more they get

2101
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:52,033
of sponsors, grants

2102
01:39:52,033 --> 01:39:55,834
and donations, it appears the less of

2103
01:39:57,133 --> 01:39:59,033
if there is a registration, the less

2104
01:39:59,066 --> 01:40:02,233
of those registration dollars going into the expenses

2105
01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:05,233
and more going to the

2106
01:40:06,133 --> 01:40:08,500
troops that are deployed. So yeah.

2107
01:40:09,100 --> 01:40:10,033
- Think it gets very redundant.

2108
01:40:10,033 --> 01:40:11,467
Eating Pop-Tart peanut butter jelly

2109
01:40:11,767 --> 01:40:13,000
sandwiches on a, on a ship.

2110
01:40:13,033 --> 01:40:14,700
So those care packages would be,

2111
01:40:15,433 --> 01:40:16,467
- Yeah. Appreciated.

2112
01:40:17,333 --> 01:40:19,033
- It's true. It's - So true. Yes.

2113
01:40:24,433 --> 01:40:26,033
- Also, there's gonna be bagpipes, which is pretty cool.

2114
01:40:26,934 --> 01:40:29,066
- Oh my goodness. I like when the bagpipes fly.

2115
01:40:32,433 --> 01:40:36,367
Any further discussion on this? Everyone good?

2116
01:40:37,734 --> 01:40:40,066
Did I get a motion to move this forward

2117
01:40:41,166 --> 01:40:42,166
- Mrs.

2118
01:40:42,166 --> 01:40:44,634
Patty Motion to approve this donation request.

2119
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,100
- Second. Okay. Got a motion by Ms. Stephens, second by Mr.

2120
01:40:48,266 --> 01:40:51,934
Patterson. One last call for discussion. Seeing none.

2121
01:40:51,934 --> 01:40:55,834
All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no.

2122
01:40:56,900 --> 01:40:58,567
Next step will be a donation request

2123
01:40:58,634 --> 01:41:00,467
for the community diversity group.

2124
01:41:01,900 --> 01:41:03,767
Your supervisor Stephens is going

2125
01:41:03,867 --> 01:41:06,934
to, oh, what was the word?

2126
01:41:07,333 --> 01:41:08,867
- I'm going to abstain from voting on

2127
01:41:08,867 --> 01:41:09,867
- This one.

2128
01:41:09,867 --> 01:41:10,333
She's abstaining from voting on this.

2129
01:41:10,500 --> 01:41:14,834
So if nobody had anything they needed clarified on this,

2130
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,300
I'd take a motion to approve this item. Ms. Omari.

2131
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:19,100
- So moved. This is Matt second.

2132
01:41:19,033 --> 01:41:21,266
- Okay, I got a motion by Mr. Patterson. Second by Mr.

2133
01:41:21,433 --> 01:41:25,300
Heller. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

2134
01:41:25,367 --> 01:41:27,567
Say no. Motion passes

2135
01:41:29,033 --> 01:41:33,834
with Supervisor Stephens abstaining request

2136
01:41:33,867 --> 01:41:36,834
for surety release for the LaCro storage facility.

2137
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:39,767
And I don't think anyone had anything for this,

2138
01:41:39,934 --> 01:41:42,867
but if not, take a motion to approve this item.

2139
01:41:43,133 --> 01:41:45,100
So moved. Okay. Do we have a second?

2140
01:41:45,367 --> 01:41:47,634
- Second. - Okay. Got a motion by Mr. Patterson.

2141
01:41:47,634 --> 01:41:50,834
Second by Mr. Heller. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

2142
01:41:50,900 --> 01:41:54,367
Any opposed? Say no. Alright. Motion passes unanimously.

2143
01:41:57,033 --> 01:41:59,100
- What to happen. Just, I just wanted to confirm.

2144
01:41:59,133 --> 01:42:03,000
So we are now down to $2,700.

2145
01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:07,033
Oh in, in the kitty. In the donation pot.

2146
01:42:07,233 --> 01:42:12,100
In the donation pot. Saying that publicly $2,700. Got it.

2147
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:16,100
Thank you very much. After we pay, said Oh yeah, we got it.

2148
01:42:17,567 --> 01:42:20,467
I love that for finance after we, it's not there

2149
01:42:20,467 --> 01:42:22,033
yet. Thank you very

2150
01:42:22,033 --> 01:42:23,033
- Much.

2151
01:42:23,033 --> 01:42:23,734
It's like the money still in the account.

2152
01:42:24,266 --> 01:42:26,734
- Just confirming. Thank you for that moment, Mr.

2153
01:42:27,033 --> 01:42:30,266
- Chairman. Alright. Next we'll have a Public Hearing on a

2154
01:42:30,367 --> 01:42:32,133
resolution in Township of Ferguson Centre County,

2155
01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:33,734
Pennsylvania to accept a section

2156
01:42:33,734 --> 01:42:37,133
of Dry Hollow Road from the Pendot Turnback program.

2157
01:42:37,266 --> 01:42:38,567
And I'll recognize the manager,

2158
01:42:39,467 --> 01:42:40,500
- The Pennsylvania Department

2159
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:43,500
of Transportation is seeking board approval for the turnback

2160
01:42:43,567 --> 01:42:47,000
of 882 feet of roadway along Dry Hollow Road

2161
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,567
to Ferguson Township as part

2162
01:42:48,567 --> 01:42:50,634
of their highway transfer Turnback program.

2163
01:42:51,233 --> 01:42:53,133
The objective of the Turnback program is

2164
01:42:53,133 --> 01:42:55,934
to transfer the ownership of the state owned roads

2165
01:42:56,100 --> 01:42:58,700
to municipalities that are better suited to manage the road.

2166
01:42:59,133 --> 01:43:02,133
This includes roads that have low average daily traffic.

2167
01:43:03,133 --> 01:43:06,033
PennDOT provides full reimbursement for bringing the road

2168
01:43:06,066 --> 01:43:07,367
to satisfactory condition

2169
01:43:07,834 --> 01:43:10,033
and provides an annual maintenance payment per

2170
01:43:10,033 --> 01:43:11,100
mile to the municipality.

2171
01:43:11,667 --> 01:43:15,533
The 882 foot section of Dry Hollow Road to be turned back

2172
01:43:15,533 --> 01:43:17,934
to the Township resulted from a survey update

2173
01:43:17,934 --> 01:43:20,634
to the Ferguson Township Centre County

2174
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:22,367
and the Huntington County boundary.

2175
01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:25,567
The Township has performed limited maintenance on this road

2176
01:43:26,033 --> 01:43:28,133
historically, and it is not currently constructed

2177
01:43:28,233 --> 01:43:29,500
to Township standards.

2178
01:43:29,934 --> 01:43:32,567
The estimated cost to rehabilitate the road

2179
01:43:32,634 --> 01:43:34,300
to the Township standards is attached.

2180
01:43:34,900 --> 01:43:36,233
The cost for the rehabilitation

2181
01:43:36,233 --> 01:43:40,000
to the Township will be reimbursed in full by Pendot prior

2182
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,300
to the transfer of the road.

2183
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:44,033
It's recommended that the board

2184
01:43:44,033 --> 01:43:46,734
of Supervisors adopt the resolution to accept a section

2185
01:43:46,734 --> 01:43:50,000
of Dry Hollow Road as part of the pen dot turnback program.

2186
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,934
- All right, this is a Public Hearing.

2187
01:43:56,900 --> 01:43:59,133
Anyone in the audience wanted to address the board?

2188
01:44:00,834 --> 01:44:05,033
Anyone online wanted to address the board? Alright.

2189
01:44:05,166 --> 01:44:08,834
Public Hearing is now closed. Can I have a motion?

2190
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,300
- This is Matt. I move that the board

2191
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:14,000
of Supervisors adopt the resolution to accept a section

2192
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:17,000
of Dry Hollow Road as part of the Penn Dot Turnback program.

2193
01:44:18,567 --> 01:44:21,834
- And do we have a second? - This is Trevor. I'll second

2194
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,000
- Got a motion by Mr.

2195
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:25,300
Heller, second by Mr. White. Any discussion

2196
01:44:31,033 --> 01:44:32,000
if there is?

2197
01:44:33,767 --> 01:44:35,133
Just wanted to reread this.

2198
01:44:35,233 --> 01:44:37,000
The cost of rehabilitation

2199
01:44:37,100 --> 01:44:40,066
of the Township will be reimbursed by full by Pendot.

2200
01:44:40,066 --> 01:44:44,066
Okay. If there is no further discussion, all those in favor

2201
01:44:44,433 --> 01:44:47,000
or actually I will defer to the manager.

2202
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:48,300
I think you need a Roll Call on this.

2203
01:44:48,533 --> 01:44:50,300
- Yeah. Roll Call. Yes. Thank you.

2204
01:44:51,100 --> 01:44:52,367
- No, I was gonna ask something

2205
01:44:52,367 --> 01:44:53,634
real quick, but I don't know.

2206
01:44:54,266 --> 01:44:58,333
I screw it. Payment per mile, but it's 882 feet.

2207
01:44:58,734 --> 01:45:00,066
I imagine this isn't gonna be like a

2208
01:45:00,066 --> 01:45:01,734
significant increase in our operational call.

2209
01:45:01,734 --> 01:45:06,533
Yeah. Okay. I don't wanna We can, we can move on then The,

2210
01:45:07,900 --> 01:45:10,100
- If I even heard from a resident, right?

2211
01:45:10,100 --> 01:45:13,000
I think our folks even are driving on the road

2212
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:14,300
or turning around on the road now.

2213
01:45:14,433 --> 01:45:17,100
So it's like, yeah. Yeah. Mr. Hallard,

2214
01:45:17,333 --> 01:45:19,066
- I will say that this is a long time coming.

2215
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:22,100
I know some residents out on Dry Hollow Road

2216
01:45:22,100 --> 01:45:24,700
that will be happy to kind of put this to bed

2217
01:45:24,700 --> 01:45:27,033
because it's almost an ongoing joke about

2218
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:28,266
having this sign moved.

2219
01:45:28,567 --> 01:45:33,100
I'm getting some nods here that this, this is a good thing

2220
01:45:33,233 --> 01:45:36,634
and it goes back to the rural Roads proclamation earlier

2221
01:45:36,634 --> 01:45:38,100
where I've heard cyclists

2222
01:45:38,100 --> 01:45:40,266
and others having issues navigating that, especially

2223
01:45:40,266 --> 01:45:43,000
with farm equipment, have the road parts

2224
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,133
of it are falling away into the woods too, so.

2225
01:45:45,133 --> 01:45:47,000
Right. Yeah, it, it definitely needs this

2226
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,767
and I'm glad that PennDOT has this

2227
01:45:48,934 --> 01:45:51,333
and that the cost will not be passed on to municipality.

2228
01:45:52,100 --> 01:45:55,100
- It looked extremely narrow. - It's not

2229
01:45:55,100 --> 01:45:56,100
- Good.

2230
01:45:56,100 --> 01:45:56,500
Yeah,

2231
01:45:57,133 --> 01:45:58,133
- That was it.

2232
01:45:58,133 --> 01:45:58,533
Thank you. Okay.

2233
01:45:59,266 --> 01:46:01,567
- Thank you. - There's nothing further.

2234
01:46:01,734 --> 01:46:03,700
I'll recognize the Township manager to call the role

2235
01:46:04,266 --> 01:46:05,066
- Chair. Thompson?

2236
01:46:05,500 --> 01:46:09,867
- Yes. - Vice Chair Patterson? Yes. Ms. Stephens? Yes.

2237
01:46:10,700 --> 01:46:13,066
Mr. Heller? Yes. Mr. White.

2238
01:46:13,166 --> 01:46:16,367
- Yes. - Pass unanimously. Alright,

2239
01:46:16,367 --> 01:46:17,367
- Thank you.

2240
01:46:17,367 --> 01:46:20,367
Alright, we move on from the western end of the Township

2241
01:46:20,433 --> 01:46:22,100
to the northeastern end of the Township

2242
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:24,300
for a discussion on the Blue Course Drive in Clinton Avenue

2243
01:46:24,500 --> 01:46:25,934
Bike Path extension project.

2244
01:46:26,367 --> 01:46:27,533
Now recognized manager,

2245
01:46:28,367 --> 01:46:31,000
- Ferguson Township board of Supervisors accepted the final

2246
01:46:31,066 --> 01:46:34,033
Northland Area Mobility study report at its regular meeting

2247
01:46:34,033 --> 01:46:35,834
on May 6th, 2019.

2248
01:46:36,667 --> 01:46:38,467
In coordination with Pennsylvania Department

2249
01:46:38,467 --> 01:46:40,066
of Transportation, the center area,

2250
01:46:40,333 --> 01:46:42,367
transpor Transportation Authority

2251
01:46:42,867 --> 01:46:44,634
and the Centre Region Planning Agency.

2252
01:46:44,934 --> 01:46:46,533
Ferguson Township conducted this study

2253
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:49,066
to identify potential improvements in the,

2254
01:46:49,100 --> 01:46:51,066
the Northland area, which includes portions

2255
01:46:51,066 --> 01:46:52,367
of the North Atherton Street,

2256
01:46:52,367 --> 01:46:54,634
Martin Street Blue Course Drive, Clinton Avenue,

2257
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:56,834
cherry Lane, and Aaron Drive.

2258
01:46:57,333 --> 01:47:00,233
Northland Mobility study resulted in 28 recommended

2259
01:47:00,300 --> 01:47:03,066
improvements to the corridor to improve transportation

2260
01:47:03,533 --> 01:47:05,567
classified into tiers one, two,

2261
01:47:05,834 --> 01:47:09,367
and three, with one being the most important recommended

2262
01:47:09,367 --> 01:47:10,467
actions one, two,

2263
01:47:10,467 --> 01:47:12,333
and 15 refer to the extension

2264
01:47:12,333 --> 01:47:15,367
of Blue Course Drive bike path from Martin Street

2265
01:47:16,066 --> 01:47:18,634
Crossing Atherton and extending along Clinton Avenue.

2266
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,066
These items were classified as tier one

2267
01:47:21,066 --> 01:47:22,767
and two projects in three sections.

2268
01:47:23,433 --> 01:47:25,634
And RFP was issued in 2024.

2269
01:47:25,667 --> 01:47:28,467
To begin a feasibility preliminary engineering study

2270
01:47:28,533 --> 01:47:30,567
comprising of all three sections.

2271
01:47:31,367 --> 01:47:35,266
This project includes the design right of way, utility

2272
01:47:35,367 --> 01:47:37,367
and construction phases of improvements

2273
01:47:37,367 --> 01:47:41,033
to construct a multi-use trail along Blue Course Drive from

2274
01:47:41,033 --> 01:47:43,934
Circleville T Berry Lane to the terminus

2275
01:47:43,934 --> 01:47:46,700
of Clinton Avenue at the McKees Street bike Trail

2276
01:47:47,133 --> 01:47:48,033
in Overlook Heights.

2277
01:47:48,634 --> 01:47:49,934
The project is described

2278
01:47:49,934 --> 01:47:52,033
as a high priority project in the Northland

2279
01:47:52,033 --> 01:47:53,233
area mobility study.

2280
01:47:54,066 --> 01:47:57,233
Construction assumes grant funding such as TA grant

2281
01:47:57,700 --> 01:47:59,934
or multimodal to advance the project

2282
01:48:00,533 --> 01:48:02,033
cost related to the right of way.

2283
01:48:02,266 --> 01:48:05,634
Utility and construction are unknown until preliminary

2284
01:48:06,300 --> 01:48:07,333
engineering is completed.

2285
01:48:08,567 --> 01:48:11,634
2026 preliminary designed to pursue grant funding

2286
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,934
and then in 2028 final design permitting

2287
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:19,634
pending funding 2029 right away utilities pending funding

2288
01:48:19,834 --> 01:48:23,066
and then 2030 construction pending funding.

2289
01:48:24,834 --> 01:48:28,233
The board allocated funding for the project design in 2024

2290
01:48:28,233 --> 01:48:30,133
and 2025, but was postponed

2291
01:48:30,133 --> 01:48:33,100
until 2026 due to staff workload.

2292
01:48:33,533 --> 01:48:36,100
Staff is requesting confirmation that the board wishes

2293
01:48:36,133 --> 01:48:39,634
to proceed with the design phase of the bike path project

2294
01:48:40,100 --> 01:48:43,834
following extensive delay and recent budget considerations.

2295
01:48:46,700 --> 01:48:50,867
So we're asking if the board Supervisors authorize a design

2296
01:48:50,867 --> 01:48:52,233
phase of the Blue Course Drive

2297
01:48:52,233 --> 01:48:54,367
and Clint Avenue bike path extension

2298
01:49:02,567 --> 01:49:03,567
- And we wanna - Make a motion

2299
01:49:03,700 --> 01:49:05,100
or do we have questions? Miss

2300
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:06,100
- Steven?

2301
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:07,066
Oh, is a motion? There's supposed to be a motion.

2302
01:49:07,133 --> 01:49:09,066
Oh no, it's just a discussion, right?

2303
01:49:09,266 --> 01:49:13,867
Oh, well there well, sorry there now anyway.

2304
01:49:14,133 --> 01:49:18,700
Oh yeah, this gives, oh this gives me such heartache to

2305
01:49:19,867 --> 01:49:21,000
as this isn't I know

2306
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:22,000
- You are gonna break - My heart.

2307
01:49:22,233 --> 01:49:24,700
I am going to break your heart. I'm so sorry. Alright.

2308
01:49:25,033 --> 01:49:29,834
Because, and I, the reason that I was all about this and

2309
01:49:29,867 --> 01:49:31,066
and going through with this is

2310
01:49:31,066 --> 01:49:34,100
because particularly on Clinton Avenue, right there, there,

2311
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:35,467
there are no sidewalks.

2312
01:49:36,133 --> 01:49:39,367
And, and so for kids who walk

2313
01:49:39,367 --> 01:49:42,133
to radio Park elementary school that they don't,

2314
01:49:42,133 --> 01:49:44,734
they can't use that thing.

2315
01:49:46,166 --> 01:49:49,100
But I have to say at at this point,

2316
01:49:51,133 --> 01:49:53,934
I haven't really heard of too many parents

2317
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:58,333
who let their kids or, or walk their kids to radio park

2318
01:49:58,333 --> 01:50:01,000
because atherton's such a busy street across.

2319
01:50:01,033 --> 01:50:06,033
But anyway, considering where we are

2320
01:50:06,734 --> 01:50:08,700
with the cuts we have to make,

2321
01:50:10,033 --> 01:50:13,333
I do remember we had a resident who did say that in terms

2322
01:50:13,333 --> 01:50:16,233
of bike paths, on the other side of Atherton,

2323
01:50:16,233 --> 01:50:18,066
you have the one that goes up by the golf course.

2324
01:50:19,066 --> 01:50:23,066
And on our side of Atherton we have McKees Street bike path.

2325
01:50:23,433 --> 01:50:28,300
So as much as I want to advocate for this,

2326
01:50:28,734 --> 01:50:32,834
I would just be that maybe pushing it off a couple years

2327
01:50:33,667 --> 01:50:37,567
until we see if there's more funding

2328
01:50:38,533 --> 01:50:40,867
that might come through.

2329
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:44,000
I mean, it is in the Northland Mobility study

2330
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:46,100
as a tier one need, but

2331
01:50:52,066 --> 01:50:55,000
I, that's just sort of my feeling

2332
01:50:55,667 --> 01:50:57,300
that maybe we could push it off

2333
01:50:58,100 --> 01:51:01,100
a couple years. Mr. White.

2334
01:51:01,266 --> 01:51:03,934
- Yeah, so I I absolutely,

2335
01:51:03,934 --> 01:51:05,000
I understand where you're coming from.

2336
01:51:05,433 --> 01:51:07,467
The only, the only thing in there

2337
01:51:07,467 --> 01:51:09,734
that I will push back slightly on is like, oh,

2338
01:51:09,734 --> 01:51:10,834
kids aren't walking around that much.

2339
01:51:10,867 --> 01:51:13,000
And it's like, this is, this is a textbook example

2340
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:17,033
of a positive feedback loop where it is like it is unsafe

2341
01:51:17,033 --> 01:51:18,533
to walk, therefore you do not walk.

2342
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,700
And so until we make it safe to walk,

2343
01:51:20,700 --> 01:51:22,066
you're not gonna see people walking.

2344
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:25,133
So that's the only thing I will, I will push back on.

2345
01:51:25,834 --> 01:51:29,767
But as far as, you know, the, the concerns around budgeting

2346
01:51:30,634 --> 01:51:33,266
expenditures definitely increasing on the horizon.

2347
01:51:33,467 --> 01:51:35,266
I can see the concerns there.

2348
01:51:35,467 --> 01:51:39,734
I will say though, that as a cyclist, as somebody who cycles

2349
01:51:39,734 --> 01:51:41,834
to all these meetings, it,

2350
01:51:42,900 --> 01:51:45,834
there is a disproportionate investment in

2351
01:51:46,667 --> 01:51:49,100
motor vehicle transportation infrastructure relative

2352
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:50,367
to other modes of transportation.

2353
01:51:50,867 --> 01:51:53,100
And I think that this is a good way for us

2354
01:51:53,133 --> 01:51:57,300
to get the ball rolling and start correcting decades.

2355
01:51:57,700 --> 01:51:59,033
And it's not just us, it's,

2356
01:51:59,033 --> 01:52:02,233
it's every municipality in America, our correcting decades

2357
01:52:02,834 --> 01:52:06,000
of, we'll say unsustainable infrastructure investments

2358
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:09,467
that require yeah, a significant amount of, of,

2359
01:52:09,467 --> 01:52:13,767
of tax revenue to fund this is, it's an investment,

2360
01:52:14,867 --> 01:52:18,066
but I see this as more than a worthwhile investment.

2361
01:52:19,166 --> 01:52:21,867
And of course I'm a little biased here

2362
01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:24,266
'cause I think that cycling is the coolest thing in the

2363
01:52:24,266 --> 01:52:28,033
world and I think it's the most efficient way to, to travel.

2364
01:52:29,233 --> 01:52:30,533
And I will say that I think

2365
01:52:30,533 --> 01:52:32,467
that this is incredibly important just

2366
01:52:32,467 --> 01:52:36,000
because this is a high traffic corridor.

2367
01:52:37,166 --> 01:52:41,934
It is, i I bike through there like it is not safe.

2368
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:44,033
And anything

2369
01:52:44,233 --> 01:52:46,266
to make it safer is an improvement

2370
01:52:46,266 --> 01:52:47,367
on the existing conditions.

2371
01:52:48,667 --> 01:52:51,533
And I'll say the existing bike paths,

2372
01:52:52,166 --> 01:52:55,533
unless you have a padded seat, it is, it is rough.

2373
01:52:55,867 --> 01:53:00,533
So I'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm so in favor of this, I'm going

2374
01:53:00,533 --> 01:53:04,066
to be like, this is, I I think one of the most

2375
01:53:04,734 --> 01:53:08,133
important things is diversifying our transportation options

2376
01:53:08,467 --> 01:53:12,266
and that this is the start to, like I said,

2377
01:53:12,266 --> 01:53:15,000
correcting decades of, of, of errors.

2378
01:53:20,634 --> 01:53:23,634
- Anyone else? Mr. Heller?

2379
01:53:23,867 --> 01:53:25,000
- I just wanna recognize Ms.

2380
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,567
Stephens in the, in the fact

2381
01:53:26,567 --> 01:53:28,367
that these are not easy decisions,

2382
01:53:28,367 --> 01:53:31,000
especially being in your, your ward.

2383
01:53:31,634 --> 01:53:33,133
And Yeah. You know, to say

2384
01:53:33,133 --> 01:53:35,834
that maybe this could be postponed, that takes a lot

2385
01:53:35,834 --> 01:53:37,033
of courage sometimes.

2386
01:53:37,266 --> 01:53:39,100
But if you're not hearing from constituents

2387
01:53:39,333 --> 01:53:41,500
and you would be in favor of postponing this,

2388
01:53:41,634 --> 01:53:43,033
I would also be in favor of that

2389
01:53:43,734 --> 01:53:45,700
because you, you are boots on the ground there.

2390
01:53:46,133 --> 01:53:48,767
So I, I would defer to, to your expertise

2391
01:53:48,900 --> 01:53:50,533
and knowledge of the area and the residence.

2392
01:53:50,934 --> 01:53:51,934
Thank you.

2393
01:53:54,333 --> 01:53:58,300
- I'm not hearing from constituents that or clamoring to

2394
01:53:59,567 --> 01:54:01,767
- That's - And, and,

2395
01:54:02,133 --> 01:54:03,300
and if I may, you will,

2396
01:54:05,834 --> 01:54:09,834
Hearing from constituents about like, oh,

2397
01:54:09,900 --> 01:54:11,667
I really want this bike path here.

2398
01:54:12,634 --> 01:54:14,533
I mean, how many people grew up in a world

2399
01:54:14,567 --> 01:54:18,100
where getting a car was freedom, where that was,

2400
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:20,667
that was the idea of what freedom of mobility was.

2401
01:54:22,166 --> 01:54:24,033
I think that this is a way to change that perspective.

2402
01:54:24,433 --> 01:54:26,667
I you're not, you're probably not gonna hear a lot from

2403
01:54:26,667 --> 01:54:29,900
people about these issues other than outright

2404
01:54:30,033 --> 01:54:31,133
not wanting it, right?

2405
01:54:31,834 --> 01:54:35,433
Because there's not a lot of, if if the,

2406
01:54:35,433 --> 01:54:38,867
if the transportation infrastructure is not visible, then

2407
01:54:39,033 --> 01:54:42,700
that idea as an option is often like discarded.

2408
01:54:42,867 --> 01:54:45,066
Like I, I will say me personally,

2409
01:54:45,066 --> 01:54:46,767
like I know we have a lot of bike paths here.

2410
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:50,900
I think they're great. Well caveat with a padded bike seat,

2411
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:55,867
they're great but you know, like a lot of them also go

2412
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,634
behind areas away from the roads, away from

2413
01:54:58,634 --> 01:55:00,133
where people generally see it.

2414
01:55:00,266 --> 01:55:02,133
And so I do think that there would be,

2415
01:55:02,166 --> 01:55:05,166
and back to my point about positive feedback loops when it

2416
01:55:05,166 --> 01:55:08,133
comes to investing in non vehicular transportation

2417
01:55:08,133 --> 01:55:10,133
infrastructure, this is one of the things that you will

2418
01:55:10,900 --> 01:55:13,367
run into is that people don't think about it a lot

2419
01:55:13,367 --> 01:55:15,233
because people automatically default to car.

2420
01:55:16,300 --> 01:55:18,000
And this is a way to change that

2421
01:55:18,533 --> 01:55:21,934
and as a way to reduce expenditures in the future

2422
01:55:22,133 --> 01:55:23,634
as we give people more options

2423
01:55:23,634 --> 01:55:25,166
to safely commute outside of a car.

2424
01:55:25,166 --> 01:55:27,367
Because every time you get in a car, it's heavy

2425
01:55:27,834 --> 01:55:28,900
and it degrades roads

2426
01:55:29,033 --> 01:55:31,000
and the more people driving heavier cars

2427
01:55:31,266 --> 01:55:32,367
degrade road faster.

2428
01:55:33,066 --> 01:55:37,033
So getting people safe alternatives to not having to default

2429
01:55:37,033 --> 01:55:39,900
to a car is a way to save us money in the long term.

2430
01:55:40,934 --> 01:55:41,066
- Yeah,

2431
01:55:45,433 --> 01:55:46,066
- A lot of good points.

2432
01:55:46,166 --> 01:55:49,634
And thinking back with this bike path, I was kind

2433
01:55:49,634 --> 01:55:54,000
of looking at what was proposed at what is,

2434
01:55:54,266 --> 01:55:56,000
what I am seeing in this presentation.

2435
01:55:56,033 --> 01:55:59,266
It looks like that bike path will either be sharing the same

2436
01:55:59,333 --> 01:56:02,900
road surface or be pretty close to it.

2437
01:56:03,033 --> 01:56:07,734
And I, I was,

2438
01:56:08,033 --> 01:56:10,166
as I was preparing for this meeting, I'm almost wondering,

2439
01:56:10,166 --> 01:56:13,767
you know, is there a different option to get

2440
01:56:15,734 --> 01:56:20,066
a bike path a little bit further away from blue blue course?

2441
01:56:21,133 --> 01:56:26,066
Because again, you, I think you cited it quite well, Ms.

2442
01:56:26,066 --> 01:56:29,033
Stephens, like nobody is walking their kids

2443
01:56:29,300 --> 01:56:32,700
or letting their kids just bike over to the school

2444
01:56:33,734 --> 01:56:37,667
because you do, as of today you have that, you know,

2445
01:56:38,934 --> 01:56:41,467
missing link between Clinton

2446
01:56:41,667 --> 01:56:45,033
and at least until you get to Margin Street

2447
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:48,734
of you're sharing the road surface with the motoring public.

2448
01:56:50,433 --> 01:56:53,133
I was also thinking and of something that was said as well

2449
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:56,900
as somebody that does actually live on t Berry Lane.

2450
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,433
I do know sir is a lot of bicycle traffic

2451
01:57:01,266 --> 01:57:02,467
down Tbar Lane.

2452
01:57:04,333 --> 01:57:08,367
But when you think about it, anyone coming from that side

2453
01:57:08,500 --> 01:57:11,900
of Atherton Street, they may not, they're probably not

2454
01:57:12,634 --> 01:57:16,000
desiring to go down that McKee Street bike path

2455
01:57:16,033 --> 01:57:17,266
because there is a very steep

2456
01:57:20,834 --> 01:57:25,133
incline to navigate versus t berry is kind of flat.

2457
01:57:25,033 --> 01:57:26,533
Yes, you got a little bit of uphills,

2458
01:57:26,567 --> 01:57:30,934
but you've got a much slower as scent

2459
01:57:31,066 --> 01:57:33,700
as you head over towards campus and downtown.

2460
01:57:35,033 --> 01:57:37,500
So question is, you know,

2461
01:57:39,934 --> 01:57:41,700
what is the best option if we were

2462
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:42,934
to put in this missing link,

2463
01:57:43,300 --> 01:57:47,734
but also maybe another reevaluation where, where is

2464
01:57:48,300 --> 01:57:52,867
the current bi traffic,

2465
01:57:54,133 --> 01:57:55,867
you know, focused. So,

2466
01:57:56,734 --> 01:57:59,900
- And I will say - Maybe Trevor can enlight that on that.

2467
01:58:00,066 --> 01:58:01,233
- Yeah, sorry. And, and,

2468
01:58:01,367 --> 01:58:04,033
and again, I want to caution us on, on this line of thinking

2469
01:58:04,033 --> 01:58:05,533
because that's going down the continued path

2470
01:58:05,533 --> 01:58:06,900
development that has resulted in this.

2471
01:58:06,900 --> 01:58:10,433
So when I say that, like, so I,

2472
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,634
oh this is gonna sound bad.

2473
01:58:13,066 --> 01:58:14,467
I bike in traffic all the time.

2474
01:58:15,900 --> 01:58:18,266
'cause there's, you know, there's the, the bike lane is,

2475
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:20,066
it's, it's it's painted

2476
01:58:21,166 --> 01:58:23,734
and it is unsettling.

2477
01:58:24,266 --> 01:58:27,133
Yeah. So I I will definitely agree with you there.

2478
01:58:27,266 --> 01:58:29,867
I that like having it this close to the roadway,

2479
01:58:30,033 --> 01:58:34,033
it's like why I would, I would say well maybe we,

2480
01:58:34,100 --> 01:58:36,133
we could do better and make it safer

2481
01:58:36,233 --> 01:58:39,166
because paint's not gonna stop a car from hitting

2482
01:58:39,166 --> 01:58:40,767
me, but something physical.

2483
01:58:41,033 --> 01:58:42,300
Something physical would,

2484
01:58:43,367 --> 01:58:46,567
and so yeah, that's food for thought.

2485
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:50,100
I would just challenge us to think outside of the,

2486
01:58:50,033 --> 01:58:53,000
like our preconceived notions about transportation

2487
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:54,333
infrastructure, how it's currently

2488
01:58:54,533 --> 01:58:55,634
designed and what it could be.

2489
01:58:56,066 --> 01:58:58,500
And I think that this is, this is a unique opportunity

2490
01:58:58,500 --> 01:59:01,033
that we have to make it something that it it

2491
01:59:01,567 --> 01:59:04,500
that we want it to be. So

2492
01:59:04,834 --> 01:59:06,567
- Look, look at this one photo.

2493
01:59:06,767 --> 01:59:08,100
I I don't even know if this is,

2494
01:59:08,166 --> 01:59:10,066
if they're proposing even bollards.

2495
01:59:10,133 --> 01:59:11,734
I think the, the flexi post.

2496
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:14,233
- Yeah. And that's honestly generally speaking,

2497
01:59:14,233 --> 01:59:17,066
that would be the best way to like, you know,

2498
01:59:17,066 --> 01:59:19,333
and this is my uninformed opinion, I would defer

2499
01:59:19,333 --> 01:59:22,033
to public works about maintenance of things with, you know,

2500
01:59:22,266 --> 01:59:24,100
barriers and like I imagine it makes

2501
01:59:24,734 --> 01:59:26,033
maintaining those roads pretty difficult.

2502
01:59:27,233 --> 01:59:31,634
But having the like the flexible like yeah.

2503
01:59:31,634 --> 01:59:34,066
Tho those things, those are, it's a great way to

2504
01:59:34,734 --> 01:59:38,467
not get people super afraid about protected bike lanes.

2505
01:59:39,333 --> 01:59:43,033
'cause it's not like it, it puts up a physical barrier

2506
01:59:43,634 --> 01:59:46,100
that causes people to slow down when they're passing.

2507
01:59:46,900 --> 01:59:48,066
And that is important

2508
01:59:48,066 --> 01:59:50,000
because maybe you shouldn't be going 50

2509
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,000
miles an hour passing somebody on a bike. But

2510
01:59:52,567 --> 01:59:54,700
- Yeah, - I digress. Well,

2511
01:59:54,700 --> 01:59:56,100
- Especially there, it's only a 35.

2512
01:59:56,133 --> 01:59:57,333
Yeah, I was gonna ask you,

2513
01:59:57,367 --> 02:00:00,066
but I think the answer is no, paint is not infrastructure.

2514
02:00:00,467 --> 02:00:02,834
- Oh - Man, I'm speaking my language

2515
02:00:03,500 --> 02:00:04,500
- Mr.

2516
02:00:04,500 --> 02:00:04,834
Patterson.

2517
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:09,166
- We're talking about a lot of stuff

2518
02:00:09,166 --> 02:00:11,900
that I think is great in like a nice work session.

2519
02:00:12,300 --> 02:00:15,100
Yeah, go do the mobility study again.

2520
02:00:15,100 --> 02:00:17,133
But right now this is about dollars and cents.

2521
02:00:17,333 --> 02:00:19,700
That's why thank you manager king for bringing this up.

2522
02:00:19,700 --> 02:00:23,300
Interim manager king, because we made a decision,

2523
02:00:25,233 --> 02:00:29,667
a board last year, a different board made a decision not to

2524
02:00:30,433 --> 02:00:32,266
raise revenue, right?

2525
02:00:32,333 --> 02:00:36,634
As a result, there are things that are gonna cost money.

2526
02:00:38,100 --> 02:00:41,667
And in the spirit of we don't want to hit a fiscal cliff,

2527
02:00:42,934 --> 02:00:44,634
we're now having to make some decisions

2528
02:00:44,634 --> 02:00:45,734
to not have fiscal cliff.

2529
02:00:47,033 --> 02:00:48,667
So that's what this is about.

2530
02:00:49,066 --> 02:00:52,266
Like I appreciate you Mr. White there, like you,

2531
02:00:52,300 --> 02:00:55,500
you got your perspective, but we

2532
02:00:55,500 --> 02:00:56,533
can talk about this all day.

2533
02:00:56,634 --> 02:00:58,533
But it's, do you wanna spend money or not?

2534
02:00:59,133 --> 02:01:00,467
- Yes. - That's it.

2535
02:01:01,066 --> 02:01:04,767
So, and and, and at this point, I I'm a no that's,

2536
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:09,233
we didn't have the political courage to raise the revenue

2537
02:01:09,634 --> 02:01:11,133
to pay for these things and now

2538
02:01:11,567 --> 02:01:13,100
we've gotta make some other decisions.

2539
02:01:14,634 --> 02:01:16,000
That's my, that's my perspective

2540
02:01:16,734 --> 02:01:17,734
- Over.

2541
02:01:17,734 --> 02:01:21,033
And I would challenge that by asking how much we spend on

2542
02:01:21,934 --> 02:01:23,500
roads every year

2543
02:01:24,066 --> 02:01:27,533
and how much cost savings could be had if people felt safe

2544
02:01:27,634 --> 02:01:29,033
to not get in their car.

2545
02:01:29,367 --> 02:01:31,533
And again, every time you get in a car

2546
02:01:31,533 --> 02:01:34,000
for a little two mile trip down to the convenience store

2547
02:01:34,834 --> 02:01:37,700
that puts stress on roadways, get on the bike

2548
02:01:37,700 --> 02:01:39,467
and go two miles down to the convenience store.

2549
02:01:40,066 --> 02:01:41,066
Lot different. Right.

2550
02:01:41,100 --> 02:01:42,467
So and again, in the long term,

2551
02:01:42,634 --> 02:01:45,066
like if we're thinking long term fiscal sustainability,

2552
02:01:45,066 --> 02:01:47,567
a readjust a readjustment of

2553
02:01:47,867 --> 02:01:49,066
where we are allocating our

2554
02:01:49,066 --> 02:01:50,300
dollars, you're absolutely right.

2555
02:01:50,333 --> 02:01:51,867
This is, this is what that's about.

2556
02:01:52,133 --> 02:01:54,066
And this is getting us down the path

2557
02:01:54,066 --> 02:01:57,233
of fiscal sustainability by giving people the opportunity

2558
02:01:57,567 --> 02:01:59,133
to not have to default to the cars,

2559
02:01:59,367 --> 02:02:02,567
which degrade roadways a lot faster than foot traffic,

2560
02:02:02,767 --> 02:02:05,066
than bike traffic, than bus traffic.

2561
02:02:06,033 --> 02:02:09,000
That is the way to go. And that is why I am a yes.

2562
02:02:11,934 --> 02:02:13,233
- Yes. Mr. Haller to - Move this forward.

2563
02:02:13,233 --> 02:02:14,734
Would you take a motion? Yeah.

2564
02:02:15,100 --> 02:02:18,100
The board of Supervisors authorized the design phase

2565
02:02:18,033 --> 02:02:19,500
of the Blue Course Drive

2566
02:02:19,634 --> 02:02:21,767
and Clinton Avenue bike path extension.

2567
02:02:22,133 --> 02:02:23,767
- Do we have a second on that? This

2568
02:02:23,767 --> 02:02:24,634
- Is Trevor. I will second,

2569
02:02:25,066 --> 02:02:26,066
- I have a motion by Mr.

2570
02:02:26,066 --> 02:02:28,033
Heller, second by Mr. White.

2571
02:02:28,467 --> 02:02:30,333
Any further discussion on this? No,

2572
02:02:31,133 --> 02:02:33,233
- I, so this is the design phase.

2573
02:02:34,567 --> 02:02:37,867
So this isn't,

2574
02:02:41,300 --> 02:02:44,767
this isn't using it to go and apply for grants

2575
02:02:45,033 --> 02:02:46,300
or use the design.

2576
02:02:47,467 --> 02:02:50,000
- You need the design for grants. Preliminary design.

2577
02:02:50,100 --> 02:02:51,000
- Preliminary design.

2578
02:02:51,100 --> 02:02:55,000
So the intent then is to go ask your grants.

2579
02:02:55,634 --> 02:02:56,700
- Yeah, yeah. It's always been,

2580
02:02:56,700 --> 02:02:58,066
that was always the intent, right?

2581
02:03:00,533 --> 02:03:04,266
It's the dollars and cents now of doing so.

2582
02:03:07,100 --> 02:03:09,000
- Yes, Mr. Heller - And the staff time

2583
02:03:09,166 --> 02:03:10,667
and everything associated with that.

2584
02:03:10,900 --> 02:03:13,033
So yes.

2585
02:03:17,900 --> 02:03:19,567
- Would you take, oh,

2586
02:03:20,300 --> 02:03:21,467
- If you wanna make an amend

2587
02:03:21,467 --> 02:03:23,066
amending motion, please do. No.

2588
02:03:23,066 --> 02:03:28,100
- Well there's

2589
02:03:28,133 --> 02:03:29,834
a part of me that just wants to push it off a year,

2590
02:03:30,233 --> 02:03:31,467
just, just one year.

2591
02:03:32,166 --> 02:03:34,700
Just bring this back next year when

2592
02:03:35,767 --> 02:03:38,834
we'll have a new Township manager in, in place.

2593
02:03:39,767 --> 02:03:43,734
It gives us a little more time. I, I'm with you.

2594
02:03:44,066 --> 02:03:46,467
If I could have wave a magic wand

2595
02:03:46,467 --> 02:03:50,133
and do this, I would, I'm just really concerned

2596
02:03:51,166 --> 02:03:53,333
about our finances this year.

2597
02:04:00,734 --> 02:04:02,467
- Yes, Mr. Heller, - If I may, we can,

2598
02:04:04,900 --> 02:04:05,934
I could withdraw the motion

2599
02:04:07,100 --> 02:04:09,333
and then we could just let it rest.

2600
02:04:09,567 --> 02:04:12,767
Is that a possibility? Table it and come back.

2601
02:04:14,033 --> 02:04:16,533
- I don't think this is, I think well, well, sorry,

2602
02:04:17,033 --> 02:04:18,033
- Sorry.

2603
02:04:18,033 --> 02:04:20,934
So my understanding this is brought forward to confirm

2604
02:04:20,934 --> 02:04:22,100
that we want to move forward.

2605
02:04:22,266 --> 02:04:25,700
So I do wanna, I guess if we took no action, it,

2606
02:04:26,133 --> 02:04:27,233
it would still move forward.

2607
02:04:27,266 --> 02:04:29,567
The money's there for this year.

2608
02:04:30,033 --> 02:04:33,867
- Well, not not after this conversation. Okay.

2609
02:04:34,266 --> 02:04:35,634
I mean, I think unless we get,

2610
02:04:35,900 --> 02:04:39,700
unless we get the nod from, from the Supervisors,

2611
02:04:39,834 --> 02:04:42,066
some direction from Supervisors of unanim

2612
02:04:42,266 --> 02:04:45,834
or not majority from the Supervisors for us

2613
02:04:45,834 --> 02:04:46,867
to go ahead and do this.

2614
02:04:47,133 --> 02:04:49,133
We've asked you and we haven't got a clear Yes.

2615
02:04:50,100 --> 02:04:51,700
So we're not gonna move forward

2616
02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:55,000
with the way the discussion's gone tonight without a clear

2617
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,033
motion to go ahead with design

2618
02:04:57,166 --> 02:04:58,233
- And that's that's fair.

2619
02:05:00,734 --> 02:05:05,000
- Okay. - So motion's still on the

2620
02:05:05,000 --> 02:05:07,500
table could go either way.

2621
02:05:09,166 --> 02:05:12,333
Yeah, I shared my feedback on

2622
02:05:13,634 --> 02:05:15,300
being hesitant to move this forward

2623
02:05:16,433 --> 02:05:17,567
if it was to move forward.

2624
02:05:17,867 --> 02:05:21,567
I, again, I don't, I don't want

2625
02:05:21,567 --> 02:05:23,066
to like be involved in design,

2626
02:05:23,066 --> 02:05:26,700
but I, I think the design's gonna be very important as,

2627
02:05:26,734 --> 02:05:28,033
as Mr. White had stated.

2628
02:05:28,233 --> 02:05:31,867
And I imagine our, our constituents would concur as well,

2629
02:05:32,100 --> 02:05:33,700
depending on how it's constructed.

2630
02:05:35,934 --> 02:05:39,767
You know, people wanna have the feeling of safety

2631
02:05:40,100 --> 02:05:44,734
and it be effective and not just paint

2632
02:05:44,834 --> 02:05:49,533
or something that's kinda, doesn't necessarily, you know,

2633
02:05:50,333 --> 02:05:51,867
if you know what I'm talking about.

2634
02:05:52,033 --> 02:05:54,033
So yes, Mr. King

2635
02:05:54,133 --> 02:05:57,100
- Just offer three comments, some of which been stated just

2636
02:05:57,100 --> 02:06:00,767
to, so one is that,

2637
02:06:01,467 --> 02:06:02,533
and I'll let James speak

2638
02:06:02,533 --> 02:06:04,500
to this more if you want additional information,

2639
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:09,233
but he has consulted with others in the region

2640
02:06:09,700 --> 02:06:11,100
who are part of this planning

2641
02:06:11,266 --> 02:06:16,000
and looking to see if there's a less expensive, more,

2642
02:06:16,433 --> 02:06:18,834
you know, trimmed down way of doing this.

2643
02:06:19,634 --> 02:06:23,634
And the answer is this, is, this plan is really

2644
02:06:25,133 --> 02:06:27,133
the best we can do in terms of making it minimal.

2645
02:06:27,734 --> 02:06:31,667
There is real, no other option of trying to,

2646
02:06:32,233 --> 02:06:35,100
to trim it down from a cost standpoint.

2647
02:06:35,266 --> 02:06:38,533
Second point, and it's been touched on, is really to go

2648
02:06:38,533 --> 02:06:42,066
for any level of grants on this project, we have

2649
02:06:42,066 --> 02:06:45,300
to have the preliminary design or right.

2650
02:06:45,500 --> 02:06:47,000
We can, you know, we need to show them

2651
02:06:47,367 --> 02:06:49,033
what we're talking about to pursue

2652
02:06:49,033 --> 02:06:50,033
any state or federal grants.

2653
02:06:50,033 --> 02:06:51,433
That's the only other point I wanted to make.

2654
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,133
And the third is, is that, you know, if there's no action,

2655
02:06:54,367 --> 02:06:58,333
if you know, we could put this in the CIP again next year

2656
02:06:58,467 --> 02:07:00,066
for the design phase,

2657
02:07:00,333 --> 02:07:02,834
just bumping everything up one additional year.

2658
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,133
So I just wanna throw all the, I do want

2659
02:07:05,133 --> 02:07:09,100
to ask the assistant council manager is, is

2660
02:07:09,100 --> 02:07:10,266
that, did I capture that

2661
02:07:10,533 --> 02:07:11,533
- Accurately?

2662
02:07:11,533 --> 02:07:15,000
Yeah. I had talked to multiple

2663
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,066
agencies in the region and as well as

2664
02:07:19,634 --> 02:07:22,900
our engineering consultant to look at a lease credible

2665
02:07:24,000 --> 02:07:27,533
design in terms of what, what you could do there

2666
02:07:27,667 --> 02:07:31,166
that might be a little bit more cost effective.

2667
02:07:32,333 --> 02:07:36,233
Everybody I talked to said, that's what you've,

2668
02:07:36,533 --> 02:07:40,033
this is the plan, this is the thing that makes sense there.

2669
02:07:40,033 --> 02:07:43,700
The way the amount of traffic, the right of way, all

2670
02:07:43,700 --> 02:07:45,467
of the things that factor into that,

2671
02:07:45,834 --> 02:07:47,100
this is the best option.

2672
02:07:47,166 --> 02:07:51,700
So yeah, there were, there was the RFP

2673
02:07:51,700 --> 02:07:53,767
that was sent out in 2024

2674
02:07:54,467 --> 02:07:57,100
or, yeah, with the responses that we got to that

2675
02:07:57,934 --> 02:08:01,734
for this design phase ranged, there was a pretty big gap.

2676
02:08:02,500 --> 02:08:05,033
Some were shovel ready, some were funding ready,

2677
02:08:05,100 --> 02:08:07,100
but you're still looking at approximately,

2678
02:08:10,266 --> 02:08:13,266
you know, with everything change, everything

2679
02:08:13,266 --> 02:08:16,100
that's changed in the last couple of years, upwards

2680
02:08:16,100 --> 02:08:18,934
of a hundred thousand plus for just something

2681
02:08:18,934 --> 02:08:21,634
that is getting funding ready

2682
02:08:22,500 --> 02:08:24,567
and really with the construction estimates

2683
02:08:24,567 --> 02:08:28,734
that we had seen previously, I mean, it's in the CIP oh

2684
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,533
that it was, it, in 2030,

2685
02:08:31,734 --> 02:08:34,233
you would expect a construction cost of somewhere

2686
02:08:34,233 --> 02:08:35,333
around 3.3 million.

2687
02:08:37,033 --> 02:08:41,700
Obviously asphalt prices are, you know, I,

2688
02:08:41,834 --> 02:08:45,033
I think the Borough anecdotally is experiencing some, some

2689
02:08:46,100 --> 02:08:48,266
shock on similar projects.

2690
02:08:48,367 --> 02:08:52,000
So It would be a lot higher

2691
02:08:53,266 --> 02:08:54,467
than what we're anticipating.

2692
02:08:54,467 --> 02:08:56,333
Whether, you know, we get a design

2693
02:08:59,667 --> 02:09:03,300
des or fund ready design or a, a shovel ready design.

2694
02:09:03,333 --> 02:09:05,567
It's increasing

2695
02:09:07,100 --> 02:09:08,100
- Mr.

2696
02:09:08,100 --> 02:09:08,934
Pat new slash

2697
02:09:09,033 --> 02:09:10,033
- Petrol's going up.

2698
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,567
- Oh yes. Yeah. - Which might be important

2699
02:09:13,834 --> 02:09:17,133
to get people alternatives to cars, but I digress.

2700
02:09:19,233 --> 02:09:21,500
- We do have one. I see what you did there.

2701
02:09:25,133 --> 02:09:26,133
Alright,

2702
02:09:29,433 --> 02:09:32,266
- So safety issues there at that intersection.

2703
02:09:34,634 --> 02:09:37,634
Have there been pedestrian

2704
02:09:37,900 --> 02:09:42,333
or bicycle fatalities or incidents at that intersection of,

2705
02:09:42,634 --> 02:09:43,834
- Lemme pull up my dataset.

2706
02:09:44,634 --> 02:09:47,767
I was gonna say it is in this report, I believe,

2707
02:09:48,734 --> 02:09:51,066
but that would've been as of 2018.

2708
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:58,367
Recall the question. I'm sorry, I said that out loud.

2709
02:09:58,634 --> 02:10:03,333
Yeah, yeah. Move the table second.

2710
02:10:04,367 --> 02:10:05,367
All. Okay.

2711
02:10:05,367 --> 02:10:09,367
Motion to table all those in

2712
02:10:09,367 --> 02:10:11,567
favor of tabling it. Aye. Wait, what

2713
02:10:11,567 --> 02:10:13,100
- Happens when you table, sorry, bring

2714
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:14,100
- Back later.

2715
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:14,700
Bring it back later. Yeah,

2716
02:10:15,066 --> 02:10:17,300
it's just gonna set, get some questions answered. Okay.

2717
02:10:17,567 --> 02:10:22,367
- Yep. - So all those in

2718
02:10:22,367 --> 02:10:24,533
favor of tabling the motion, say aye.

2719
02:10:24,867 --> 02:10:28,634
Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Say no. No. Okay.

2720
02:10:29,266 --> 02:10:31,133
Motion table passed four one.

2721
02:10:34,467 --> 02:10:36,467
- So at some point we have to have a chair bring it back.

2722
02:10:36,467 --> 02:10:37,533
Right. Okay.

2723
02:10:39,734 --> 02:10:44,066
- Yeah. Well I'm almost thinking what, what was said about

2724
02:10:44,066 --> 02:10:48,333
that CIP just push it down

2725
02:10:49,467 --> 02:10:52,066
- Or some other cost thing gets,

2726
02:10:52,367 --> 02:10:54,333
well we're out of this, this, but Yeah.

2727
02:10:54,567 --> 02:10:55,567
Agenda item, but

2728
02:10:59,233 --> 02:11:00,300
- Gimme a second

2729
02:11:00,567 --> 02:11:02,634
because something got,

2730
02:11:03,133 --> 02:11:05,333
so we are at communications to the board.

2731
02:11:11,634 --> 02:11:12,567
Yes, Mr. Haller.

2732
02:11:12,900 --> 02:11:17,000
- So I had communications just not just,

2733
02:11:17,100 --> 02:11:21,100
but a note of thanks to our police department during

2734
02:11:21,634 --> 02:11:24,567
Easter celebrations that were held at the top

2735
02:11:24,834 --> 02:11:26,066
of Joe Hayes Vista.

2736
02:11:26,233 --> 02:11:28,734
I understand that officers were there just to ensure

2737
02:11:28,734 --> 02:11:31,834
that the traffic was moving safely and that parishioners

2738
02:11:31,834 --> 02:11:33,500
and others were safely attended to.

2739
02:11:33,567 --> 02:11:36,100
So the clergy and folk

2740
02:11:36,333 --> 02:11:39,266
and parishioners just wanna say they're sincere thanks

2741
02:11:39,500 --> 02:11:41,033
to you and to the Township.

2742
02:11:41,133 --> 02:11:43,033
So much appreciation of the officers that were there.

2743
02:11:44,133 --> 02:11:48,734
And just on a personal note, my own communication, I see

2744
02:11:48,734 --> 02:11:51,133
that there is a blinking 25 mile an hour sign

2745
02:11:51,233 --> 02:11:53,033
that's been installed in Pine Grove Mills

2746
02:11:53,033 --> 02:11:54,367
reminding folks that the speed limit is there.

2747
02:11:54,367 --> 02:11:56,533
That's a new thing. I always appreciate seeing that.

2748
02:11:56,567 --> 02:11:57,834
So that's personal note

2749
02:11:57,834 --> 02:12:00,266
as a citizen taking off my supervisor hat. Thanks.

2750
02:12:00,700 --> 02:12:02,533
- If, if you saw it blinking 25,

2751
02:12:02,533 --> 02:12:04,500
that would indicate you were driving the speed

2752
02:12:04,500 --> 02:12:05,734
limit. So great job when

2753
02:12:05,767 --> 02:12:08,767
- You approach it at 45, which the speed limit

2754
02:12:09,000 --> 02:12:13,700
before it goes from 45 to 25, it does remind you essentially

2755
02:12:13,834 --> 02:12:17,233
that you need to be at 25 by that sign, at which point I am.

2756
02:12:17,634 --> 02:12:19,333
And I then I lead the, as we like to call it,

2757
02:12:19,333 --> 02:12:20,367
the Pine Grove Mills parade.

2758
02:12:21,033 --> 02:12:22,033
Okay,

2759
02:12:22,233 --> 02:12:23,233
- Got it.

2760
02:12:23,700 --> 02:12:25,100
Any other communications?

2761
02:12:26,233 --> 02:12:30,233
- I had some communications about some rental units in,

2762
02:12:31,133 --> 02:12:32,333
in the neighborhood.

2763
02:12:34,734 --> 02:12:37,000
- I had communications regarding

2764
02:12:37,667 --> 02:12:39,834
parking in a social media post.

2765
02:12:42,233 --> 02:12:45,000
Anyone else had communications?

2766
02:12:46,033 --> 02:12:48,300
- Yeah, I think I'll, I'll be bringing it

2767
02:12:48,300 --> 02:12:52,233
to a future meeting, but the kinda we, we voted

2768
02:12:53,266 --> 02:12:57,533
to bring before to PML options for them

2769
02:12:57,533 --> 02:12:59,266
to bring on legislatively around

2770
02:13:01,333 --> 02:13:02,867
earned income tax policy.

2771
02:13:04,133 --> 02:13:05,700
So I put something together and,

2772
02:13:05,834 --> 02:13:07,300
and so we'll, we'll bring it forward.

2773
02:13:07,300 --> 02:13:10,734
We just wanted to, had some communications

2774
02:13:10,734 --> 02:13:13,567
with the female folks on what they wanted to see.

2775
02:13:13,834 --> 02:13:16,100
So, and then

2776
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:23,000
Regarding COG had some communications with, at COG,

2777
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:27,533
there was communic, there was a constituent that,

2778
02:13:27,533 --> 02:13:31,266
that came up and spoke and have spoken with them since.

2779
02:13:31,300 --> 02:13:34,500
They, they would like, again, some equity around the use

2780
02:13:34,500 --> 02:13:37,000
of fields in the region Oh yes.

2781
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:38,266
And our support there. And also

2782
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:47,066
communications around Lucy committee in the, I guess the,

2783
02:13:47,133 --> 02:13:49,467
the, the expansion of the regional growth boundary

2784
02:13:49,734 --> 02:13:51,333
and where it's going and how much.

2785
02:13:51,467 --> 02:13:54,767
And so there's been, there's been some interesting,

2786
02:13:55,433 --> 02:13:58,033
so I guess say your next kind of readout,

2787
02:13:58,033 --> 02:13:59,033
we would love to talk through that a little

2788
02:13:59,033 --> 02:14:00,100
- Bit more.

2789
02:14:00,100 --> 02:14:00,867
Absolutely.

2790
02:14:01,433 --> 02:14:02,500
- That's all for me. Thank you.

2791
02:14:03,066 --> 02:14:06,367
- Okay. And I was gonna say, you did attend one

2792
02:14:06,367 --> 02:14:09,700
of the PML meetings that took place in Johnstown.

2793
02:14:11,100 --> 02:14:13,100
- That was the one. Yep. That - Was one was one. So

2794
02:14:13,433 --> 02:14:14,333
- Output from there. Yep.

2795
02:14:14,734 --> 02:14:19,100
- Yeah, there's no further communications.

2796
02:14:19,133 --> 02:14:21,066
Our Centre Region Council of Governments reports.

2797
02:14:21,133 --> 02:14:23,567
We have the joint land use and infrastructure to Lucy

2798
02:14:23,667 --> 02:14:27,100
and the Centre Region Planning Commission had met.

2799
02:14:27,233 --> 02:14:31,066
So Mr. White will report on Lucy. Yeah.

2800
02:14:31,166 --> 02:14:34,500
- So enclosed in the packet is what I, I typed up,

2801
02:14:34,567 --> 02:14:35,767
it's a brief summary.

2802
02:14:37,066 --> 02:14:40,133
I would say if, if you were interested in going back and,

2803
02:14:40,133 --> 02:14:42,467
and reviewing it, Matt Herndons comments from the State

2804
02:14:42,467 --> 02:14:44,734
College Borough were, I would say,

2805
02:14:44,734 --> 02:14:46,834
the most productive in like moving that item forward

2806
02:14:46,867 --> 02:14:48,266
and like getting it forward.

2807
02:14:48,266 --> 02:14:49,934
And so to elaborate on that,

2808
02:14:50,367 --> 02:14:52,066
specifically the dr the development

2809
02:14:52,066 --> 02:14:54,767
of regional impact criteria, there's a bunch of different

2810
02:14:55,500 --> 02:14:57,133
criteria that need to be satisfied

2811
02:14:57,133 --> 02:14:59,000
before expanding the regional growth boundary.

2812
02:14:59,700 --> 02:15:02,734
And within that criteria, the first one it says,

2813
02:15:03,166 --> 02:15:05,934
are there locations inside the regional growth boundary

2814
02:15:06,133 --> 02:15:08,066
that could support the proposed development?

2815
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:09,467
If not, explain why.

2816
02:15:10,567 --> 02:15:14,000
And so the explanation given was not satisfactory

2817
02:15:14,634 --> 02:15:19,266
to rule out existing locations within the regional growth

2818
02:15:19,567 --> 02:15:22,734
boundary because what is preventing them from developing

2819
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:25,100
within the regional growth boundary are the

2820
02:15:25,767 --> 02:15:27,000
physical security requirements.

2821
02:15:27,433 --> 02:15:30,300
And because we are not aware, we don't know

2822
02:15:30,300 --> 02:15:34,100
what those physical security requirements are, we cannot say

2823
02:15:34,033 --> 02:15:36,033
that there is not anything within the regional

2824
02:15:36,033 --> 02:15:37,033
growth boundary that they cannot develop.

2825
02:15:37,333 --> 02:15:39,000
So for example, if they had,

2826
02:15:39,300 --> 02:15:41,867
I think the figure they used at the meeting was a hundred

2827
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,934
foot setback for perimeter walls.

2828
02:15:43,934 --> 02:15:47,033
Right? So we haven't Well, and that's the thing.

2829
02:15:47,033 --> 02:15:49,734
It's like we don't actually know what the requirements are

2830
02:15:49,734 --> 02:15:50,767
by the federal sponsor.

2831
02:15:51,000 --> 02:15:52,133
And so because we don't know that,

2832
02:15:52,166 --> 02:15:54,634
we can't rule out the existing parcels here

2833
02:15:55,033 --> 02:15:56,567
that would be qualified under that.

2834
02:15:57,233 --> 02:15:59,567
And so that we, they were asked to come back

2835
02:15:59,567 --> 02:16:01,233
with those physical security requirements

2836
02:16:01,233 --> 02:16:04,767
and how that prevents them from developing within the

2837
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:08,867
regional growth boundary to explicitly say that we cannot,

2838
02:16:08,867 --> 02:16:10,467
because we require X number

2839
02:16:10,467 --> 02:16:12,467
of feet setback when you include,

2840
02:16:12,867 --> 02:16:13,867
let's say all the buildings

2841
02:16:13,867 --> 02:16:18,066
and the parking requirements that setback does, like,

2842
02:16:18,066 --> 02:16:19,500
would have to be expanded outward and

2843
02:16:19,500 --> 02:16:22,033
therefore that, you know, that parcel

2844
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:24,033
or parcels is not sufficient.

2845
02:16:24,900 --> 02:16:27,266
That's the bulk of what happened there.

2846
02:16:29,133 --> 02:16:31,634
How, or I say the bulk that is what drove this

2847
02:16:32,333 --> 02:16:33,634
or drove them to come back.

2848
02:16:34,333 --> 02:16:35,634
And that was the action item.

2849
02:16:36,367 --> 02:16:40,500
Now there are still a few other concerns on my part when it

2850
02:16:40,500 --> 02:16:43,033
comes to the DRI criteria,

2851
02:16:43,033 --> 02:16:45,133
particularly DRI criteria number four,

2852
02:16:45,133 --> 02:16:48,667
which is mitigating adverse public impacts according

2853
02:16:48,667 --> 02:16:51,033
to section something.

2854
02:16:51,033 --> 02:16:55,033
Right. And in my mind, I,

2855
02:16:55,166 --> 02:16:58,233
and you know, this is, this is something I'm gonna have to,

2856
02:17:00,634 --> 02:17:02,433
in my mind, I do not know

2857
02:17:02,767 --> 02:17:05,533
how you can mitigate the adverse public impacts

2858
02:17:05,634 --> 02:17:08,133
of consolidating A DOD affiliated research

2859
02:17:08,300 --> 02:17:10,133
facility that close to campus.

2860
02:17:10,767 --> 02:17:13,133
What you are doing when you are consolidating a lot

2861
02:17:13,133 --> 02:17:14,700
of DOD affiliated research facilities,

2862
02:17:14,700 --> 02:17:17,166
you are creating a target.

2863
02:17:18,533 --> 02:17:20,166
I do not know how you can mitigate that.

2864
02:17:20,166 --> 02:17:22,533
You have physical security requirements, all that fun stuff,

2865
02:17:23,133 --> 02:17:26,100
but the me like right now, it's decentralized nature

2866
02:17:27,066 --> 02:17:30,367
does act to mitigate a lot of those, we'll say

2867
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:33,467
operational threats to put it mildly.

2868
02:17:34,533 --> 02:17:37,634
However, when you consolidate, that's a different story.

2869
02:17:38,133 --> 02:17:42,033
However, that's not, like, it doesn't seem that that line

2870
02:17:42,133 --> 02:17:45,300
of questioning was germane to the expansion

2871
02:17:45,300 --> 02:17:46,500
of the regional growth boundary.

2872
02:17:47,634 --> 02:17:51,166
But I still think it needs to be at least like

2873
02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,133
factored in somehow

2874
02:17:53,133 --> 02:17:57,066
because we're, we're operating in a, we'll say,

2875
02:17:57,133 --> 02:17:59,133
a different geopolitical environment these days.

2876
02:17:59,533 --> 02:18:01,367
And these are something that these, these are things

2877
02:18:01,367 --> 02:18:02,900
that need to be considered.

2878
02:18:03,333 --> 02:18:06,533
What, like, and one of the things that I was not privy to

2879
02:18:06,667 --> 02:18:09,133
and that I do think is relevant is

2880
02:18:09,133 --> 02:18:11,867
that their new campus facility is going

2881
02:18:11,867 --> 02:18:14,033
to be located near a daycare center.

2882
02:18:15,066 --> 02:18:17,667
I do not know of any plans to move that daycare center.

2883
02:18:17,767 --> 02:18:21,700
It's only three, to clarify it is three buildings away from

2884
02:18:21,700 --> 02:18:22,867
where their campus will be.

2885
02:18:23,233 --> 02:18:26,300
However, there is historical precedent

2886
02:18:26,333 --> 02:18:28,300
for why that is a problem.

2887
02:18:29,433 --> 02:18:32,700
So there's a lot of issues when it comes to, again,

2888
02:18:32,734 --> 02:18:34,066
it was DRI criteria four,

2889
02:18:34,066 --> 02:18:36,033
which was mitigating the adverse public impacts.

2890
02:18:38,066 --> 02:18:40,266
I, I don't see a way for them to

2891
02:18:40,900 --> 02:18:42,133
mitigate those public impacts,

2892
02:18:42,266 --> 02:18:44,033
but I'm not sure if that's germane to the,

2893
02:18:44,100 --> 02:18:46,166
the actual DRI criteria.

2894
02:18:47,066 --> 02:18:50,934
So would definitely appreciate like feedback on this

2895
02:18:51,433 --> 02:18:52,467
and moving forward.

2896
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:57,867
And I, I imagine Mr. Keo has has some comments as well. No,

2897
02:18:59,667 --> 02:19:00,667
- Go ahead.

2898
02:19:00,667 --> 02:19:01,133
Just a couple of questions. Yeah.

2899
02:19:01,834 --> 02:19:05,300
And maybe I don't fully understand.

2900
02:19:05,467 --> 02:19:08,100
I mean, with, with the regional growth boundary, it's going

2901
02:19:08,100 --> 02:19:11,033
to increase by some percentage every 10 years

2902
02:19:11,100 --> 02:19:12,433
or whatever the cadence is.

2903
02:19:12,433 --> 02:19:16,300
Yes. That's the agreement among, amongst the, the region.

2904
02:19:16,734 --> 02:19:19,533
Okay. There's a percentage that it kind of just shifts out

2905
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,533
that's appeared to, to control the amount of growth.

2906
02:19:23,100 --> 02:19:25,734
That's my understanding of, of the regional boundary.

2907
02:19:26,066 --> 02:19:30,867
And so the ask

2908
02:19:31,100 --> 02:19:34,300
of this applicant is to go more.

2909
02:19:36,100 --> 02:19:39,000
And I think,

2910
02:19:39,133 --> 02:19:41,500
and what you're saying is, is that, I guess it's not

2911
02:19:42,033 --> 02:19:45,367
that they're doing something completely

2912
02:19:45,467 --> 02:19:48,834
outside the boundary, like say, I don't know the, you know,

2913
02:19:49,066 --> 02:19:51,100
the park, the, the baseball field or something.

2914
02:19:51,133 --> 02:19:55,033
Yeah. This is, they're on the boundary, it's coming out

2915
02:19:55,567 --> 02:19:57,100
and eight, you know, some, you know,

2916
02:19:57,567 --> 02:20:00,467
a half mile they're asking for a mile, right?

2917
02:20:00,467 --> 02:20:02,100
Is is that what we're talking about here? Yeah,

2918
02:20:02,500 --> 02:20:07,367
- It's, I think it's a 50 50 acre expansion or I think Yeah.

2919
02:20:07,567 --> 02:20:10,100
'cause 38 are already within and it's 50 there.

2920
02:20:10,133 --> 02:20:12,066
I'll, to get the actual numbers, apologies. Okay.

2921
02:20:12,500 --> 02:20:14,000
But yes, they are. What's that?

2922
02:20:14,233 --> 02:20:15,867
I didn't think it was a lot, but Yeah.

2923
02:20:16,667 --> 02:20:19,266
And that's why I think my line of thoughts

2924
02:20:19,266 --> 02:20:21,533
and questioning we're not really relevant

2925
02:20:22,033 --> 02:20:25,533
to the DRI criteria, but I still thought it worth mentioning

2926
02:20:25,533 --> 02:20:28,000
because that's concerning.

2927
02:20:28,033 --> 02:20:29,934
But back to, you know, expansion

2928
02:20:29,934 --> 02:20:31,867
of the regional growth boundary, which is like, that's,

2929
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:33,500
that's what we're talking about, right?

2930
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:36,634
Yeah. Like that's, they just like,

2931
02:20:37,133 --> 02:20:40,767
and to get back to it, like they just need to show the Lucy

2932
02:20:41,000 --> 02:20:44,767
and CRP see that there is nowhere

2933
02:20:45,834 --> 02:20:48,567
in the regional growth boundary that could support it

2934
02:20:48,567 --> 02:20:50,567
otherwise, if there is

2935
02:20:51,667 --> 02:20:55,000
and it's just hard for them, then we're setting a precedent

2936
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:58,066
for expanding the regional growth boundary that would Yeah.

2937
02:20:58,033 --> 02:20:59,500
Not be great moving forward

2938
02:20:59,634 --> 02:21:02,066
because all somebody would've to say is, well,

2939
02:21:02,066 --> 02:21:04,000
well we don't own the land within the regional

2940
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:05,500
growth boundary, therefore we can't.

2941
02:21:05,867 --> 02:21:09,333
And that is not what it says. It says are there locations?

2942
02:21:09,333 --> 02:21:11,333
It doesn't say, do you own the locations?

2943
02:21:11,333 --> 02:21:14,700
It says, are there locations they wanna say it DRI criteria

2944
02:21:14,700 --> 02:21:18,033
number one asks are there locations it does not ask,

2945
02:21:18,133 --> 02:21:19,734
do you own locations?

2946
02:21:20,367 --> 02:21:24,033
- So how many acres are being expanded? Yeah, I

2947
02:21:24,066 --> 02:21:26,133
- I - And you don't know that

2948
02:21:27,066 --> 02:21:28,166
- 50 I No, no.

2949
02:21:28,300 --> 02:21:30,367
- I mean, I mean across the entire growth boundary.

2950
02:21:30,367 --> 02:21:32,066
- Yeah. I, I don't know that number off the top my head,

2951
02:21:32,066 --> 02:21:34,834
- But I think we're only allowed a certain percentage each

2952
02:21:34,867 --> 02:21:37,033
municipality, and I think there's another

2953
02:21:37,834 --> 02:21:38,834
development out there.

2954
02:21:39,033 --> 02:21:42,133
So college Township is either pushing their limit

2955
02:21:42,033 --> 02:21:44,300
or going beyond their limit of what they're allowed

2956
02:21:44,300 --> 02:21:45,367
to do. So,

2957
02:21:46,133 --> 02:21:49,166
- And so that does DRI criteria to plus and minus,

2958
02:21:49,433 --> 02:21:50,567
or maybe there's some negotiation.

2959
02:21:50,734 --> 02:21:53,166
Does Harris want to go out all of their percentage

2960
02:21:53,166 --> 02:21:54,533
and give it to college?

2961
02:21:55,133 --> 02:21:59,066
I I just, I'm hearing in in your words, there's

2962
02:22:00,166 --> 02:22:01,734
like, I don't, you know,

2963
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:06,033
there's maybe some concern about the several things Yeah.

2964
02:22:06,066 --> 02:22:08,834
But I'm not hearing the, have we tried

2965
02:22:08,834 --> 02:22:11,834
to make this work within the boundaries that do exist?

2966
02:22:12,100 --> 02:22:15,300
- Yeah. And that's like, they have said that they have,

2967
02:22:15,533 --> 02:22:18,634
but like we don't ha like at that meeting,

2968
02:22:18,667 --> 02:22:22,133
we did not have the information to prove that they had, and

2969
02:22:22,133 --> 02:22:24,266
therefore we need that information in order

2970
02:22:24,266 --> 02:22:27,233
to make the determination in line with what's set forth

2971
02:22:27,233 --> 02:22:28,333
with the DRI criteria.

2972
02:22:28,333 --> 02:22:30,033
Otherwise we are setting a precedent

2973
02:22:30,300 --> 02:22:31,934
that could allow for expansion of the region.

2974
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,000
Like that's, that's a bad precedent.

2975
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:35,867
And we need to just stick with the language

2976
02:22:35,867 --> 02:22:38,266
that is in the DRI criteria. Sure.

2977
02:22:38,467 --> 02:22:39,700
- I, I look, I'm, we need

2978
02:22:39,700 --> 02:22:42,233
to have this same energy across every single thing

2979
02:22:42,233 --> 02:22:43,467
that crosses our desks.

2980
02:22:44,166 --> 02:22:46,767
And like, again, the ball field with the,

2981
02:22:46,767 --> 02:22:49,233
with the pipe they wanna bring in like I'm a no.

2982
02:22:49,634 --> 02:22:52,066
Why? Because it's nowhere close to the boundary right now.

2983
02:22:53,033 --> 02:22:55,834
And, and it's setting a bad precedence to then just like,

2984
02:22:55,834 --> 02:22:57,300
oh yeah, we'll do that one pipe fine.

2985
02:22:57,433 --> 02:22:59,066
Yeah. At the cost of whatever.

2986
02:22:59,333 --> 02:23:01,367
But this is a different, it's not a, it's not a,

2987
02:23:01,367 --> 02:23:03,066
it's a different precedence is what I'm hearing.

2988
02:23:04,033 --> 02:23:07,634
There's land and they get a little bit

2989
02:23:07,867 --> 02:23:09,166
and they want a little bit more and,

2990
02:23:09,166 --> 02:23:12,033
and maybe it's a lot more that I, I, yeah.

2991
02:23:12,066 --> 02:23:15,033
But at the end of the day, I, I'm, I'm,

2992
02:23:17,100 --> 02:23:19,100
I don't think it's a, I don't think it's a far stretch

2993
02:23:20,066 --> 02:23:23,000
that if somebody wanted to, you know, a little bit more

2994
02:23:23,934 --> 02:23:25,533
on an, an existing boundary

2995
02:23:25,533 --> 02:23:28,066
and somebody wants a little bit less to work that out,

2996
02:23:28,700 --> 02:23:30,100
to figure out how to make that work.

2997
02:23:30,266 --> 02:23:33,934
That's, that's where I am is how, how do we make this work?

2998
02:23:34,900 --> 02:23:36,367
Because I do recognize

2999
02:23:36,367 --> 02:23:39,266
that there's daycares all over the Borough, by the way.

3000
02:23:39,734 --> 02:23:41,567
And so just, I, I just heard all these

3001
02:23:41,567 --> 02:23:42,734
things that I'm not sure.

3002
02:23:43,066 --> 02:23:45,133
- Sorry, - They're fully valid right now. Yeah.

3003
02:23:45,133 --> 02:23:47,100
Let somebody decided to build something. Yeah.

3004
02:23:47,100 --> 02:23:49,300
We're talking about the boundary itself Yeah. Over yeah.

3005
02:23:49,467 --> 02:23:51,033
- Right now. And that's why I was just like,

3006
02:23:51,467 --> 02:23:53,000
these were the questions that I had

3007
02:23:53,133 --> 02:23:55,467
and looking back, they were not necessarily

3008
02:23:55,500 --> 02:23:56,767
the most productive questions.

3009
02:23:57,133 --> 02:24:00,066
Those are, those are questions for, well, I,

3010
02:24:00,333 --> 02:24:03,467
I don't necessarily know right now the appropriate forum for

3011
02:24:03,467 --> 02:24:04,567
that, but Yeah, I mean I am,

3012
02:24:04,767 --> 02:24:07,033
I am concerned about daycare near future.

3013
02:24:08,333 --> 02:24:10,133
I, I, I'll say it, potential military target,

3014
02:24:10,567 --> 02:24:12,000
- You know, there's one right there, right? Oh,

3015
02:24:12,433 --> 02:24:13,433
- Are you?

3016
02:24:13,433 --> 02:24:14,567
Yeah. But what I'm saying right now is like decent,

3017
02:24:14,567 --> 02:24:17,367
having it decentralized reduces the risk

3018
02:24:17,433 --> 02:24:20,500
and then centralizing it increases the risk that,

3019
02:24:20,767 --> 02:24:21,867
that is my concern.

3020
02:24:22,066 --> 02:24:23,834
But that's not what we're talking about.

3021
02:24:23,900 --> 02:24:25,500
We're talking about the regional growth boundary

3022
02:24:25,567 --> 02:24:27,767
and whether or not they can expand it. Yeah.

3023
02:24:28,133 --> 02:24:30,100
- Yeah. Pretty - So

3024
02:24:30,500 --> 02:24:31,567
- Fair. Thank you. Yeah.

3025
02:24:31,934 --> 02:24:34,567
- So I think going into your next meeting,

3026
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:37,500
where is the board on

3027
02:24:39,433 --> 02:24:41,300
expanding regional growth boundary?

3028
02:24:41,300 --> 02:24:45,567
It sounds like we, we are at least in concurrence with what

3029
02:24:46,567 --> 02:24:48,834
the outcome of that particular meeting was like, Hey,

3030
02:24:48,834 --> 02:24:49,834
get us some more information

3031
02:24:50,767 --> 02:24:53,700
because once it comes back to Lucy,

3032
02:24:55,367 --> 02:24:57,066
Lucy's gonna have the option to bring it

3033
02:24:57,066 --> 02:24:58,734
to executive committee where, you know,

3034
02:24:58,767 --> 02:24:59,834
I, I would vote on it.

3035
02:24:59,867 --> 02:25:02,266
I want to try to make sure I represent

3036
02:25:02,266 --> 02:25:03,567
and encapsulate, you know,

3037
02:25:03,867 --> 02:25:05,500
Ferguson Township to the best of my abilities.

3038
02:25:05,700 --> 02:25:07,734
And it's okay if we don't have to, we don't have to answer

3039
02:25:07,734 --> 02:25:09,133
that today, because again,

3040
02:25:09,133 --> 02:25:10,634
there will be another Lucy meeting

3041
02:25:10,634 --> 02:25:12,934
before exe it goes to executive committee.

3042
02:25:13,100 --> 02:25:16,000
So I can kind of get everyone's consensus then.

3043
02:25:16,033 --> 02:25:20,634
So I know I'm representing what

3044
02:25:21,066 --> 02:25:24,100
Ferguson Township's gonna go into general forum with, so,

3045
02:25:24,567 --> 02:25:28,834
no, I know Next. Alright.

3046
02:25:29,133 --> 02:25:32,066
- Yeah, yeah.

3047
02:25:32,433 --> 02:25:34,734
I'll I'll just say like what you were talking about

3048
02:25:34,734 --> 02:25:36,233
with the effectively a cap

3049
02:25:36,233 --> 02:25:38,033
and trade on the regional growth boundaries.

3050
02:25:38,033 --> 02:25:40,767
Very interesting. I'm gonna look more into, into this

3051
02:25:42,233 --> 02:25:44,233
and yeah, I'm gonna read more into this.

3052
02:25:44,900 --> 02:25:45,000
- So

3053
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:50,834
- Yeah, that's all I got.

3054
02:25:51,467 --> 02:25:52,634
- Anything else? Thank you. I

3055
02:25:52,634 --> 02:25:54,700
- Just have to say, when you say you're gonna look a little

3056
02:25:54,700 --> 02:25:56,467
more into this, I know it's way more than that.

3057
02:25:58,133 --> 02:26:01,333
- Just a little. It's gonna come in with a 500 page report.

3058
02:26:04,033 --> 02:26:06,467
- We all have our hyper fixations, so Yeah. Lemme have

3059
02:26:06,467 --> 02:26:07,467
- It.

3060
02:26:08,066 --> 02:26:09,734
Did you want to hear what Mr. Keo had to say?

3061
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:10,934
- Absolutely. He was there. All right.

3062
02:26:11,066 --> 02:26:12,100
And I think he can speak yes

3063
02:26:12,066 --> 02:26:14,934
- And well because - He's the

3064
02:26:15,300 --> 02:26:17,900
- Yeah, he, he's speaking for himself,

3065
02:26:17,900 --> 02:26:20,433
but he, he was, yeah, he is a part of our

3066
02:26:21,266 --> 02:26:22,834
Centre Region Planning Commission. And,

3067
02:26:23,133 --> 02:26:25,900
- And I happened to be in attendance

3068
02:26:25,900 --> 02:26:30,734
because this was a joint meeting of the two COG entities.

3069
02:26:31,333 --> 02:26:35,700
And while I wasn't directed to speak to you tonight,

3070
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:39,700
I stayed this evening because of, in part this discussion.

3071
02:26:40,233 --> 02:26:44,133
'cause what Trevor has presented to you, I, I, the,

3072
02:26:44,033 --> 02:26:48,000
the planning commission was also planned

3073
02:26:48,266 --> 02:26:50,233
to be asked for approval.

3074
02:26:51,033 --> 02:26:53,166
And they could not do that

3075
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:57,233
because while we had a quorum to start the meeting,

3076
02:26:58,033 --> 02:27:01,266
the Penn State representative had to recuse himself

3077
02:27:02,066 --> 02:27:05,000
and the chair would not then recognize the quorum.

3078
02:27:05,300 --> 02:27:07,066
So the planning commission never voted.

3079
02:27:08,300 --> 02:27:10,934
So we have that on the planning commission

3080
02:27:11,066 --> 02:27:12,333
agenda in the future.

3081
02:27:13,100 --> 02:27:14,100
Oh, okay. But

3082
02:27:18,100 --> 02:27:19,734
a couple of things came to mind

3083
02:27:19,834 --> 02:27:23,500
and I immediately thought, boy, I I need some feedback

3084
02:27:24,433 --> 02:27:26,100
from Ferguson Township

3085
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:30,700
- Because - Among other things, when they're talking about

3086
02:27:31,233 --> 02:27:35,433
land that might be available within the regional growth

3087
02:27:35,934 --> 02:27:39,567
boundary for this consolidation,

3088
02:27:40,467 --> 02:27:45,066
that is a 30 year plan of consolidation

3089
02:27:45,867 --> 02:27:48,333
of a government entity

3090
02:27:49,533 --> 02:27:51,900
that lives in the world of secrets.

3091
02:27:55,000 --> 02:27:59,066
And right away, two Ferguson Township sites

3092
02:27:59,734 --> 02:28:03,066
pop up as being large enough

3093
02:28:03,834 --> 02:28:05,900
to accommodate this 30 year growth.

3094
02:28:08,533 --> 02:28:10,667
One of them being on Blue Course Drive

3095
02:28:11,100 --> 02:28:11,900
- Pine Hall. Yep.

3096
02:28:12,834 --> 02:28:15,867
- And, and then also they were talking about the golf

3097
02:28:15,867 --> 02:28:17,166
course at Penn State

3098
02:28:18,533 --> 02:28:23,066
- In - What, and then we've got Hundreds of acres

3099
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:27,934
of ag land that could

3100
02:28:28,100 --> 02:28:29,100
fit into this.

3101
02:28:30,266 --> 02:28:34,266
So right away, I I I became concerned that there needs to be

3102
02:28:35,100 --> 02:28:37,533
some kind of, of, of direction.

3103
02:28:37,934 --> 02:28:41,934
My concern about Blue Course Drive folks, unless,

3104
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:44,767
unless you tell me that this is all wrong,

3105
02:28:46,767 --> 02:28:51,033
I am not in favor, I do not feel that the blue course drive

3106
02:28:52,133 --> 02:28:53,367
land that is available

3107
02:28:53,867 --> 02:28:58,066
and would meet the acreage is a good idea

3108
02:28:59,567 --> 02:29:02,767
because this facility, this, this,

3109
02:29:03,000 --> 02:29:06,567
this group within Penn State, a RL,

3110
02:29:07,900 --> 02:29:09,934
their intent is to consolidate

3111
02:29:10,634 --> 02:29:12,333
and they live in the world of secrets.

3112
02:29:12,834 --> 02:29:14,634
And I don't think secrets

3113
02:29:15,066 --> 02:29:18,333
and residential property fit very well together.

3114
02:29:20,100 --> 02:29:24,567
Having, having residents near secrets

3115
02:29:25,867 --> 02:29:28,634
that residents aren't gonna feel real good about it.

3116
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:31,000
We're never gonna know what's going on

3117
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:33,066
because we can't legisl it.

3118
02:29:35,133 --> 02:29:38,700
And so consequently, the further away from residents I get

3119
02:29:39,000 --> 02:29:43,533
with a RL, the better I feel about, you know,

3120
02:29:44,266 --> 02:29:45,934
proximity, et cetera.

3121
02:29:46,166 --> 02:29:49,033
Now whether, whether we've gotta expand the regional growth

3122
02:29:49,367 --> 02:29:50,734
boundary or not, you know, that,

3123
02:29:50,734 --> 02:29:52,567
that's also a little different question.

3124
02:29:53,700 --> 02:29:55,567
But that's my biggest concern

3125
02:29:55,834 --> 02:29:59,367
as a planning commission person and, and,

3126
02:29:59,634 --> 02:30:04,266
and getting some sense from you all as to, as to where

3127
02:30:04,900 --> 02:30:09,634
we stand with regard to available land in Ferguson Township

3128
02:30:09,900 --> 02:30:14,133
that could accommodate the a RL consolidation.

3129
02:30:15,166 --> 02:30:19,100
And I'm not feeling good about the land that we do have

3130
02:30:20,033 --> 02:30:22,634
at this time, but Trevor

3131
02:30:22,700 --> 02:30:24,934
and I, you know, we sat at the same meeting,

3132
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:27,767
we heard all the same stuff. Yeah, yeah,

3133
02:30:28,100 --> 02:30:29,100
- Yeah.

3134
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:33,300
I, I agree. I like it's res like, honestly like residents

3135
02:30:33,433 --> 02:30:35,767
and to your point, secrets, like,

3136
02:30:36,634 --> 02:30:39,834
and on top of that, it's gonna be a 2000 min, like,

3137
02:30:39,834 --> 02:30:42,767
I don't wanna say minimum around 2000 vehicle trips added

3138
02:30:42,934 --> 02:30:44,100
on wherever it goes.

3139
02:30:44,433 --> 02:30:49,100
And that, like on Blue course adding 2000 vehicles on, like

3140
02:30:49,266 --> 02:30:53,333
that's, that would, that would make that road dangerous.

3141
02:30:53,333 --> 02:30:55,533
That would make that bike path more dangerous.

3142
02:30:55,533 --> 02:30:57,100
Like, you know, there's,

3143
02:30:57,467 --> 02:30:59,300
how do you mitigate the adverse public

3144
02:30:59,300 --> 02:31:01,033
impacts of something like this?

3145
02:31:01,467 --> 02:31:02,700
'cause wherever you're putting it,

3146
02:31:02,867 --> 02:31:05,300
you're putting at least 2000 daily vehicle trips there.

3147
02:31:06,266 --> 02:31:08,233
- So that a RL site is like

3148
02:31:08,233 --> 02:31:10,100
by Beaver Stadium right out there in the

3149
02:31:10,100 --> 02:31:12,066
- Yeah, it's gonna be on in Innovation Park.

3150
02:31:12,033 --> 02:31:14,000
- Yeah. Asian Park. Yeah. Which is right off the

3151
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:15,266
highway, right off 99.

3152
02:31:15,266 --> 02:31:17,634
Yep. So there's no like going through the city traffic,

3153
02:31:17,900 --> 02:31:19,634
it's, and oh by the way,

3154
02:31:20,667 --> 02:31:22,266
did they talk about any jobs that were gonna come?

3155
02:31:22,367 --> 02:31:23,367
I, I'm just thinking about this,

3156
02:31:23,367 --> 02:31:25,233
like if jobs come, that's what they want.

3157
02:31:25,233 --> 02:31:28,634
Where do they sleep? Ferguson.

3158
02:31:29,000 --> 02:31:30,133
- Oh yes. So

3159
02:31:30,133 --> 02:31:32,066
because yeah, they, they were talking about

3160
02:31:32,667 --> 02:31:36,100
jobs in other parts of Innovation Park,

3161
02:31:36,634 --> 02:31:39,066
if they had the a RL campus

3162
02:31:39,634 --> 02:31:40,634
- Consolidated.

3163
02:31:40,634 --> 02:31:42,333
So then Pine Hall unfortunately will get developed

3164
02:31:42,500 --> 02:31:46,767
with some residential landings, the rest of Saybrook,

3165
02:31:48,100 --> 02:31:50,133
other side of hunters, Glen other, other Chase.

3166
02:31:51,266 --> 02:31:53,300
I think there's a lot of, there's a lot opportunity there.

3167
02:31:53,500 --> 02:31:55,066
I we're probably going way too deep.

3168
02:31:55,066 --> 02:31:58,300
- Yeah. Well, yeah. See, - But I think, yeah,

3169
02:32:00,100 --> 02:32:01,100
- And this is my feedback.

3170
02:32:01,100 --> 02:32:02,767
I was gonna say this is kind of what the meeting felt like.

3171
02:32:02,767 --> 02:32:06,367
There was a lot of, like, a lot of people had a lot

3172
02:32:06,367 --> 02:32:08,266
of feelings, myself included about this.

3173
02:32:08,667 --> 02:32:10,000
And it pro it went,

3174
02:32:11,100 --> 02:32:12,000
it went more than it should

3175
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,700
have probably just like we're doing right now.

3176
02:32:14,300 --> 02:32:17,634
Yeah. But it's, I mean it's, it's a, this is,

3177
02:32:17,867 --> 02:32:19,700
this is a heavy topic, right?

3178
02:32:19,867 --> 02:32:22,133
It, it should not be considered lightly.

3179
02:32:22,467 --> 02:32:25,000
- I and, and I think we're, you know,

3180
02:32:26,634 --> 02:32:27,767
I don't think there's anything wrong

3181
02:32:27,767 --> 02:32:29,367
with us exploring those implications.

3182
02:32:29,433 --> 02:32:31,066
Like if there is more jobs where, where,

3183
02:32:31,066 --> 02:32:32,467
where are those people gonna live?

3184
02:32:32,934 --> 02:32:34,834
And Mr. White, you know,

3185
02:32:34,834 --> 02:32:36,934
looking at Blue Course Drive vehicle traffic,

3186
02:32:37,133 --> 02:32:38,367
have you seen Science Park

3187
02:32:38,367 --> 02:32:40,000
and Valley Vista drive traffic even

3188
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:44,934
before the turn lanes were put in down there? Believe

3189
02:32:44,934 --> 02:32:46,000
- Me, and I think Mr.

3190
02:32:46,166 --> 02:32:49,300
Chair, the impression that I have gotten

3191
02:32:50,333 --> 02:32:53,100
with the discussions that planning commission,

3192
02:32:53,100 --> 02:32:56,333
the Regional Planning Commission have had, in addition to,

3193
02:32:56,567 --> 02:33:00,333
to the joint meeting, the impressions that I've gotten is

3194
02:33:00,367 --> 02:33:05,000
that we're not talking about a huge

3195
02:33:06,066 --> 02:33:08,634
influx of new jobs.

3196
02:33:09,900 --> 02:33:12,700
We're talking about a consolidation

3197
02:33:13,734 --> 02:33:17,100
of their efforts with regard to the research

3198
02:33:17,000 --> 02:33:20,567
and the work that they do taking and,

3199
02:33:20,834 --> 02:33:22,066
and some of the buildings

3200
02:33:22,066 --> 02:33:25,000
that they've got even here in Ferguson Township and,

3201
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:27,767
and moving that part of the operation

3202
02:33:28,133 --> 02:33:31,834
to a consolidated campus environment so

3203
02:33:31,834 --> 02:33:33,066
that they can improve.

3204
02:33:33,667 --> 02:33:37,467
What's been explained to me in part is improve their

3205
02:33:38,133 --> 02:33:42,367
communication and the logistics of some of the projects

3206
02:33:42,567 --> 02:33:43,834
that they're working on.

3207
02:33:45,233 --> 02:33:47,867
That's what's been described to me.

3208
02:33:48,700 --> 02:33:52,734
And, and so I don't know if we're talking about

3209
02:33:53,834 --> 02:33:56,834
creating a lot of jobs in this,

3210
02:33:57,266 --> 02:34:02,066
but rather a relocation with, with an expansion.

3211
02:34:04,367 --> 02:34:09,100
The other thing that I thought about, the buildings

3212
02:34:09,367 --> 02:34:13,066
that they're in here in Ferguson Township,

3213
02:34:14,166 --> 02:34:19,033
for which they're doing some stuff probably

3214
02:34:19,100 --> 02:34:22,467
that, that has a great deal of security attached to it.

3215
02:34:24,433 --> 02:34:29,100
Those buildings were built without certain

3216
02:34:30,300 --> 02:34:32,500
security attributes,

3217
02:34:33,166 --> 02:34:35,634
attributes in the building of them.

3218
02:34:36,100 --> 02:34:40,867
And now as they look forward to their new work

3219
02:34:41,266 --> 02:34:44,066
and the new kinds of things that they wanna bid on,

3220
02:34:44,900 --> 02:34:48,567
they haven't got the physical structure that can accommodate

3221
02:34:49,100 --> 02:34:53,467
the, the security that they need, especially

3222
02:34:53,533 --> 02:34:56,467
with the, with this light and sound.

3223
02:34:56,567 --> 02:34:59,533
And, you know, we just sent somebody around the moon

3224
02:35:01,033 --> 02:35:02,300
- Sent, sent a few people around the

3225
02:35:02,300 --> 02:35:03,867
- Moon and, and so

3226
02:35:04,066 --> 02:35:06,300
consequently I think there are a lot of factors

3227
02:35:06,767 --> 02:35:09,533
that in my mind, justify what they're going to do.

3228
02:35:10,133 --> 02:35:11,867
Yeah. What they want to do.

3229
02:35:13,433 --> 02:35:15,333
And now it's a matter of, of

3230
02:35:16,667 --> 02:35:19,500
attaching our DRI process to

3231
02:35:20,133 --> 02:35:22,367
their locate their preferred location

3232
02:35:23,133 --> 02:35:25,233
and whether we can accommodate that.

3233
02:35:26,734 --> 02:35:28,233
- Yeah. - So,

3234
02:35:30,033 --> 02:35:31,033
- Thank you.

3235
02:35:31,033 --> 02:35:33,100
Thank you for sharing. And I was gonna say, I did watch

3236
02:35:33,100 --> 02:35:36,000
that meeting and I even, one thing that they had mentioned,

3237
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,934
like if they get like a new contract

3238
02:35:37,934 --> 02:35:40,767
or something, some, sometimes it's like they gotta hit the

3239
02:35:40,767 --> 02:35:43,266
ground running and if that means getting a building up

3240
02:35:43,266 --> 02:35:45,500
within, you know, a few months

3241
02:35:45,500 --> 02:35:48,367
or a year, they, they gotta have something shovel ready

3242
02:35:48,467 --> 02:35:50,467
and ready to go quickly.

3243
02:35:50,867 --> 02:35:53,834
- And I would caution against a military industrial complex

3244
02:35:53,834 --> 02:35:55,100
moving fast and breaking things.

3245
02:35:55,467 --> 02:35:57,934
'cause that, that, that, that's not good.

3246
02:35:58,467 --> 02:36:01,033
So yeah, let's, let's, let's, let's go through this process

3247
02:36:01,133 --> 02:36:03,300
and let's make sure everybody's right. Yeah.

3248
02:36:03,367 --> 02:36:05,367
- Yeah. Did you really

3249
02:36:05,433 --> 02:36:07,367
- Say that the golf course was an option?

3250
02:36:08,133 --> 02:36:09,767
- I was gonna say, so here's the thing,

3251
02:36:09,767 --> 02:36:11,333
like if you look at their plan,

3252
02:36:11,567 --> 02:36:15,233
and this is, I am, I would,

3253
02:36:15,734 --> 02:36:16,934
I don't have the numbers in front of me,

3254
02:36:17,066 --> 02:36:18,300
but if you look at their parking arrangements,

3255
02:36:18,367 --> 02:36:20,266
I would make the argument that their parking arrangements

3256
02:36:20,867 --> 02:36:22,333
have a larger footprint than the buildings.

3257
02:36:23,233 --> 02:36:27,066
And so there is like, yes, it would be more

3258
02:36:27,066 --> 02:36:28,066
to build a parking garage.

3259
02:36:28,433 --> 02:36:31,500
It would, but DRI criteria one does not say

3260
02:36:31,500 --> 02:36:32,533
it's difficult to build here.

3261
02:36:32,533 --> 02:36:35,500
It says, can you, so again, precedent,

3262
02:36:35,834 --> 02:36:39,000
DRI criteria one, let's, let's see that. No,

3263
02:36:39,133 --> 02:36:41,467
- But I heard parking golf course.

3264
02:36:41,667 --> 02:36:44,033
- Yeah. So - Could build on the golf course.

3265
02:36:44,066 --> 02:36:46,033
What, what? At least that's what I thought.

3266
02:36:46,033 --> 02:36:48,033
- Because they have two, like Penn State has two golf

3267
02:36:48,033 --> 02:36:50,333
courses, which I don't know about their second one

3268
02:36:50,634 --> 02:36:51,934
'cause I'm not a golfer.

3269
02:36:53,133 --> 02:36:57,333
So Yeah, like the, the idea was proposed by,

3270
02:36:57,867 --> 02:36:59,734
or was light lightly floated by

3271
02:36:59,867 --> 02:37:02,266
by council member Matt Herndon on the Borough.

3272
02:37:02,333 --> 02:37:05,000
He was like, he was, he, I wouldn't say that he was

3273
02:37:05,867 --> 02:37:07,867
saying like, Hey maybe you guys should develop here.

3274
02:37:07,867 --> 02:37:10,033
He was more saying like, Hey, here's a space,

3275
02:37:10,867 --> 02:37:12,033
why is this not available?

3276
02:37:13,066 --> 02:37:16,000
It has not been described to us why this is not able

3277
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:17,066
to be developed and

3278
02:37:17,066 --> 02:37:19,467
therefore it does not satisfy the DRI criteria

3279
02:37:19,467 --> 02:37:21,233
because they have, yeah.

3280
02:37:21,667 --> 02:37:23,033
So we need to know,

3281
02:37:23,700 --> 02:37:25,867
can you develop within the regional growth boundary?

3282
02:37:25,900 --> 02:37:27,467
And if not specifically, why?

3283
02:37:27,834 --> 02:37:31,934
'cause if the answer to why is it's hard, that's not good.

3284
02:37:32,634 --> 02:37:35,266
We, we need to know exactly why.

3285
02:37:35,700 --> 02:37:37,133
So that way we have consistency

3286
02:37:37,233 --> 02:37:40,000
and we stick to the letter of the, the process.

3287
02:37:41,834 --> 02:37:45,767
So that's that. That's all I'll say on that. Thank

3288
02:37:45,767 --> 02:37:46,767
- You.

3289
02:37:46,767 --> 02:37:47,033
Yeah.

3290
02:37:48,433 --> 02:37:53,133
- The golf course. Yep. Yeah. Thank, thank you Mr. Keo.

3291
02:37:53,266 --> 02:37:56,033
I, I I think that was actually perfect

3292
02:37:56,033 --> 02:37:59,634
because when we are talking things like this that do go

3293
02:37:59,634 --> 02:38:02,266
through the regional planning commission, I have wanted

3294
02:38:02,266 --> 02:38:03,700
to try to make it a priority

3295
02:38:03,700 --> 02:38:05,533
that the regional planning commission representative

3296
02:38:06,433 --> 02:38:08,300
is at least aware of where the board stands.

3297
02:38:08,300 --> 02:38:12,467
Because again, it probably does help you as a, as our,

3298
02:38:13,634 --> 02:38:14,734
one of our planning commission

3299
02:38:14,734 --> 02:38:16,100
representatives for the Township.

3300
02:38:16,166 --> 02:38:17,767
So thank thank you for bringing that up.

3301
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:19,634
- One more thing. I'm - Sorry. And Yeah, absolutely.

3302
02:38:19,667 --> 02:38:20,667
Go ahead.

3303
02:38:21,133 --> 02:38:25,700
- I wanna go on record that first

3304
02:38:25,734 --> 02:38:27,834
and Township has gotten some sort

3305
02:38:27,834 --> 02:38:29,734
of bad rap about being business friendly.

3306
02:38:32,066 --> 02:38:35,266
I don't know if this is kind of in that same vein of like,

3307
02:38:35,367 --> 02:38:37,100
folks are gonna go, what the heck?

3308
02:38:37,266 --> 02:38:38,533
I'm just asking for a thing.

3309
02:38:40,667 --> 02:38:44,867
But I I would, I would ask that the conversations,

3310
02:38:46,133 --> 02:38:50,100
I I think it just spurs me to, to come from the heart here

3311
02:38:50,867 --> 02:38:53,066
that to, to ask about a golf course

3312
02:38:55,133 --> 02:38:57,567
isn't good faith, quite frankly.

3313
02:38:57,767 --> 02:39:00,066
I mean like at least that, at least the way that

3314
02:39:00,066 --> 02:39:03,533
that bill say like they want to build a thing, you're like,

3315
02:39:03,533 --> 02:39:06,033
well prove that you can't build in regional growth boundary.

3316
02:39:06,700 --> 02:39:08,066
Why won't you build in Pine Hall?

3317
02:39:08,133 --> 02:39:11,834
Well, because it's a PRD for residential,

3318
02:39:12,333 --> 02:39:13,634
why won't you build on the golf course?

3319
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:16,000
'cause it's a golf course. Public use.

3320
02:39:16,500 --> 02:39:20,734
These are, it's almost like throwing darts

3321
02:39:21,867 --> 02:39:25,634
just because versus like having very clean and clear Okay.

3322
02:39:26,066 --> 02:39:29,734
Rationale for getting to either a yes or a no. That's

3323
02:39:29,734 --> 02:39:30,734
- Okay.

3324
02:39:30,734 --> 02:39:32,000
So regardless they're gonna have to rezone this area.

3325
02:39:33,033 --> 02:39:36,867
So if like, if they wanted to, like with this call,

3326
02:39:37,100 --> 02:39:38,300
'cause right now the land that they're moving

3327
02:39:38,300 --> 02:39:40,333
to is currently in use by the department of agri

3328
02:39:40,333 --> 02:39:43,033
or the department Yeah, the agricultural department.

3329
02:39:43,133 --> 02:39:47,233
Right? Yeah. And so they're going to be reusing that land.

3330
02:39:48,066 --> 02:39:50,000
What about your other land that you have?

3331
02:39:50,834 --> 02:39:52,734
Can you, like, why can you not reuse

3332
02:39:52,734 --> 02:39:54,100
that like you are reusing this

3333
02:39:54,133 --> 02:39:56,934
so we're applying the same frame that they are entering into

3334
02:39:57,033 --> 02:39:59,300
with this land and applying it to the others.

3335
02:39:59,700 --> 02:40:01,066
So for example, the golf course, right?

3336
02:40:02,467 --> 02:40:05,233
Why can this not be rezoned to, I, I dunno

3337
02:40:05,233 --> 02:40:06,567
what would be here like IRD Well,

3338
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:08,867
and yeah, there was something specific

3339
02:40:08,867 --> 02:40:09,934
that they mentioned which was like,

3340
02:40:09,934 --> 02:40:11,367
we don't have a master plan provision when it comes

3341
02:40:11,367 --> 02:40:13,100
to our Zoning and that made it difficult for them to,

3342
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:14,266
to develop the consolidated campus.

3343
02:40:15,567 --> 02:40:18,367
And so that is also something that's, you know,

3344
02:40:18,533 --> 02:40:21,634
perhaps down the line is, is worth exploring.

3345
02:40:21,934 --> 02:40:24,467
'cause like what if a larger business does want to come here

3346
02:40:24,467 --> 02:40:25,567
and open up a major campus?

3347
02:40:26,133 --> 02:40:28,133
Well then yeah, maybe it would benefit us to have some kind

3348
02:40:28,133 --> 02:40:30,567
of master provision that allows them to streamline

3349
02:40:30,567 --> 02:40:31,634
that approvals process.

3350
02:40:32,066 --> 02:40:36,066
I yeah. Right. But I I I hear where you're coming from.

3351
02:40:36,100 --> 02:40:37,767
I think I, maybe I wasn't clear enough.

3352
02:40:38,734 --> 02:40:41,233
I don't think that who the, the person

3353
02:40:41,233 --> 02:40:42,266
who was asking about golf courses

3354
02:40:42,433 --> 02:40:43,567
was asking it in bad faith.

3355
02:40:44,233 --> 02:40:45,934
I do think that this person was, was asking

3356
02:40:45,934 --> 02:40:49,533
because hey, we don't, like you still haven't proved

3357
02:40:49,533 --> 02:40:51,300
to us like the land that you have, like why

3358
02:40:51,300 --> 02:40:52,533
that cannot be developed.

3359
02:40:52,533 --> 02:40:53,767
And this is an example.

3360
02:40:55,100 --> 02:40:57,233
- Okay, so - In,

3361
02:40:57,367 --> 02:40:59,100
in my understanding from watching the meeting,

3362
02:41:00,100 --> 02:41:03,033
the golf course isn't just to go have a good time, you know,

3363
02:41:03,333 --> 02:41:07,333
with your buddies like the, there there is an educational

3364
02:41:08,166 --> 02:41:12,767
aspect to, in research aspect to it that is actively in use.

3365
02:41:13,066 --> 02:41:16,500
So it, you know, it serves more than just a golf course.

3366
02:41:20,433 --> 02:41:21,834
- Again, let's just be,

3367
02:41:22,066 --> 02:41:23,367
but I what would Matt Heller do, right?

3368
02:41:23,367 --> 02:41:25,133
Like what would you do?

3369
02:41:25,433 --> 02:41:27,300
Matt votes yes or no to a lot of things.

3370
02:41:27,533 --> 02:41:29,066
I, I think I you are the model.

3371
02:41:30,033 --> 02:41:34,634
Like thank you and, and and, and, and Patty too.

3372
02:41:34,867 --> 02:41:36,100
We got good, good team here.

3373
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:40,634
But I think you'll be very, very nice

3374
02:41:40,700 --> 02:41:42,000
and say no at the same time.

3375
02:41:42,133 --> 02:41:45,066
So I think I just like Nova

3376
02:41:45,066 --> 02:41:45,734
- Daggers. Yes.

3377
02:41:45,834 --> 02:41:47,233
- You know, - Sorry.

3378
02:41:48,567 --> 02:41:53,100
- Yeah, just I'm

3379
02:41:53,100 --> 02:41:54,066
done. Thanks. Okay.

3380
02:41:54,500 --> 02:41:57,066
- Nothing else for Lucy? Nope, I'm good. Okay.

3381
02:41:57,033 --> 02:41:59,100
And we'll we, we'll probably have

3382
02:41:59,100 --> 02:42:00,066
another stab at this next month.

3383
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,767
Ad hoc parks and library committee. Ms. Stephens.

3384
02:42:04,900 --> 02:42:08,000
- Right that, so that committee we met,

3385
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:09,934
it was mostly an introduction

3386
02:42:10,266 --> 02:42:14,567
and got a whole lot of information about parks which

3387
02:42:15,834 --> 02:42:17,000
was a little bit familiar with.

3388
02:42:17,266 --> 02:42:20,033
And then, but what I didn't realize was got a whole lot

3389
02:42:20,033 --> 02:42:21,133
of information about the library.

3390
02:42:22,000 --> 02:42:24,367
And I think the whole gist of this is to try

3391
02:42:24,367 --> 02:42:26,567
and help consolidate some of our COG committees

3392
02:42:26,934 --> 02:42:30,066
and we're gonna see what we can come up with here.

3393
02:42:30,367 --> 02:42:32,100
But the one thing that was interesting out

3394
02:42:32,100 --> 02:42:37,033
of this particular committee meeting that I did attend was

3395
02:42:38,233 --> 02:42:40,333
the difference between like the parks authority

3396
02:42:40,500 --> 02:42:42,734
and the library foundation

3397
02:42:43,233 --> 02:42:47,100
and the different streams that each one of them

3398
02:42:48,100 --> 02:42:49,333
can get in terms of grants.

3399
02:42:49,634 --> 02:42:53,100
Like there are some things that only a municipal

3400
02:42:53,734 --> 02:42:56,233
authority can apply for grants,

3401
02:42:56,700 --> 02:43:01,000
but then there are other things that the foundation can get

3402
02:43:01,166 --> 02:43:04,533
and not have to pay a prevailing wage so they can do things

3403
02:43:05,867 --> 02:43:07,066
in more cost efficient manner

3404
02:43:08,433 --> 02:43:10,066
and when money goes through that.

3405
02:43:10,367 --> 02:43:13,834
So it was really very interesting more to come on that.

3406
02:43:15,700 --> 02:43:18,066
Anyway, and I guess that's it.

3407
02:43:18,066 --> 02:43:20,000
If you have any questions about the Parks

3408
02:43:20,100 --> 02:43:22,033
and library committee.

3409
02:43:25,133 --> 02:43:29,500
All right. Right in to what, sorry, I'm ready in,

3410
02:43:29,700 --> 02:43:30,734
have a 10 minute conversation

3411
02:43:30,734 --> 02:43:31,734
- About that.

3412
02:43:31,734 --> 02:43:35,467
- Okay. We'll have coffee just diverted me,

3413
02:43:36,734 --> 02:43:39,066
- Supervisor Stephens has requested not

3414
02:43:39,066 --> 02:43:40,467
to prolong the meeting any further.

3415
02:43:42,266 --> 02:43:45,567
She is ramping up for an adjournment motion here

3416
02:43:45,567 --> 02:43:46,567
- Momentarily.

3417
02:43:46,567 --> 02:43:47,634
I'm getting ready. Exactly.

3418
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:49,033
And then the parks

3419
02:43:49,033 --> 02:43:51,700
and rec, there was no action came out of that.

3420
02:43:51,734 --> 02:43:54,033
We basically just did some more wordsmithing.

3421
02:43:54,500 --> 02:43:56,834
There is a workflow thing that's going to be coming

3422
02:43:57,000 --> 02:43:58,867
to the managers for review,

3423
02:43:59,333 --> 02:44:04,033
but other than that, yeah we were just tweaking language.

3424
02:44:06,834 --> 02:44:09,100
No action items came out of that meeting.

3425
02:44:11,867 --> 02:44:13,634
Any questions about governance?

3426
02:44:14,133 --> 02:44:17,033
We're still chugging along slow and steady.

3427
02:44:21,233 --> 02:44:24,934
- I had forgot to put in my C-C-M-P-O

3428
02:44:26,166 --> 02:44:28,333
last month, but we did meet in February.

3429
02:44:28,834 --> 02:44:33,767
Supervisor White had joined me for that one. Mr.

3430
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:37,266
Keo had left but I, I wanted to share

3431
02:44:37,266 --> 02:44:41,066
that there is a bridge over half Moon Creek over in our

3432
02:44:41,066 --> 02:44:45,367
western end that's on the tip for,

3433
02:44:45,700 --> 02:44:48,867
looks like does engineering in 27 with

3434
02:44:50,934 --> 02:44:53,100
construction replacement for 2028.

3435
02:44:54,100 --> 02:44:55,867
So it's coming

3436
02:44:58,100 --> 02:44:59,867
to needing a replacement there.

3437
02:44:59,900 --> 02:45:04,133
And then passenger rail study seems to be moving along.

3438
02:45:05,533 --> 02:45:08,000
Looks like there's gonna be some work anticipated

3439
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:11,033
to be completed by June, 2026.

3440
02:45:13,166 --> 02:45:16,734
As you've probably heard CC MPO staff, they've been meeting

3441
02:45:16,734 --> 02:45:20,000
with representatives from Pendot, Amtrak, ECOG

3442
02:45:22,100 --> 02:45:24,700
as well as CAA and am even Amtran.

3443
02:45:24,734 --> 02:45:28,700
We didn't initially, there was some interest

3444
02:45:28,700 --> 02:45:31,934
that spurred up out of Blair County, so they seem

3445
02:45:31,934 --> 02:45:34,567
to be also at the table in this.

3446
02:45:34,734 --> 02:45:36,767
So more to come. Great.

3447
02:45:37,934 --> 02:45:40,767
Any questions on C-C-M-P-O?

3448
02:45:43,433 --> 02:45:47,500
Okay, I believe I can move on to calendar items

3449
02:45:47,900 --> 02:45:50,734
and there was a couple to point out

3450
02:45:52,233 --> 02:45:53,934
while we covered them all tonight.

3451
02:45:54,066 --> 02:45:57,066
Clearwater Conservancy, the Arbor Day and Kaboom.

3452
02:45:58,634 --> 02:46:02,300
So with that I will defer to Ms.

3453
02:46:02,300 --> 02:46:04,300
Stephens for item number 11.

3454
02:46:04,700 --> 02:46:06,000
- Motion to Adjourn. - Alright,

3455
02:46:06,033 --> 02:46:07,333
we're adjourned. Have a good evening everyone.

3456
02:46:07,767 --> 02:46:08,033
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3457
02:46:39,133 --> 02:46:40,734
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3458
02:46:41,567 --> 02:46:44,734
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3459
02:46:45,000 --> 02:46:46,467
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3460
02:46:47,133 --> 02:46:48,133
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3461
02:46:48,300 --> 02:46:51,100
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3462
02:46:51,100 --> 02:46:53,767
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3463
02:46:53,767 --> 02:46:54,867
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3464
02:46:55,834 --> 02:46:57,100
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3465
02:46:57,634 --> 02:46:59,033
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3466
02:46:59,100 --> 02:47:02,066
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3467
02:47:02,233 --> 02:47:05,266
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3468
02:47:06,467 --> 02:47:09,834
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