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All right, it is six o'clock and welcome to the regular meeting of the Board of Trustees for

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Hi, honey.

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Here.

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Trustee Torty.

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We have a quorum.

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All right.

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Stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

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All right.

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Moving on to approval of the agenda, I know we have several moves.

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If I have a motion for the moves, we're just going to put the agenda.

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Motion approved.

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Please.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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All those in favor?

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All those opposed?

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Motion passes?

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Public comment.

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The first one is Drew Peterson.

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Name and address for the record, sir.

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Group Peterson.

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Silver Leaf Avenue.

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Firestone Colorado.

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First, thank you all for your service to our town. I appreciate it. I want to ask a rhetorical

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question. I don't want to expect an answer, of course. Do you know why you're called

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trustees? Do you know why the town is called the board members are called trustees versus

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Councilman or any of that? You know why? There's an actual legal reason for that. That's a legal

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designation that you, you know, town, because of the way the government set up and it was intended

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for small governments, and then as they grow, they delegate authority down, but you start

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out with all the responsibility of the town starts with the trustees, all the financial

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responsibilities, everything starts with the trustees, and as the town grows, you start

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to hire people and delegate authority down and those kinds of things, but the one thing

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you never do is your responsibility to citizens as a trustee of the town, the citizens

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money. It is their money and you're entrusted to manage that money and to make good

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decisions about how we spend that money. On the agenda there's an item and I can't remember

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because I don't have the agenda been front of me but it is one of the things is to prove

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a contract that would not follow through the procurement process. Now I know this because I saw

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that's on the back end, that he actually made a conscious decision to not follow the procurement

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process. And why is he not following? The process, of course, is you have a bid. You go through

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a bid process. There is, however, the ability to have an exception to that process. That exception,

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however, is for very specific, very cases where it's necessary to go that direction because there

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isn't anybody, but a particular vendor that can provide the services.

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That is not to say that because one vendor likes to work with another vendor,

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or it says that another vendor is a really good vendor.

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That's not a reason to not have go through the procurement process.

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It is, however, a good differentiator.

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That obviously, that would be something you would want to take into account

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when you're looking at selecting a vendor.

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But one of the reasons I bring this up in why it's important, it's about the price, it's not so much about the services, it's about the price, how do you know that you're getting the most competitive and appropriate price for the services rendered?

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Well, you do that through the bid process by getting multiple bids, you now know what?

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The bid, the, the, the, the, the, the, the pros you're getting is one that fits that criteria,

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that that meets that, that competitive criteria.

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And that's what I think you need to consider when you're looking at this.

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You, you currently are violating, like, if you go through with this, you will be violating that policy.

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And that's, I just want to make sure you understand that, because that's not a valid reason for an exception.

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to the bidding process. Okay, thank you. Thank you, appreciate comments. All right, Linda

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Aller, did I pronounce that correctly? Aller. Aller. Okay. Close enough. I've been called

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other things. Name and address for the record person. Linda Aller is 605 South Park Avenue

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Fort Lapton. Okay. Good evening. My name is Linda Aller. I am the Goodwill Ambassador for the

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flight 629 Memorial Organization. My group in this area native of this area so I really

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speaks to me. We sincerely appreciate the support and suggestions from the Firestone

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Mayor so far and the purpose of tonight is just to introduce myself and advise the council

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and public of the Candelite Service November 1st at the Carbon Valley Lutheran Church behind

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Ziggy's and Auto Zone on Simran Street. The names which I explained later will be red and

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display of information will be set up. Denver 7 will be there as well as my

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cast with the Denver Police Museum and we encourage you all to attend. We have found

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that there is not a lot of awareness of the November 1st, 1955 crash that happened

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just outside of Longmont, which is now a part of Firestone, Weld County, 66 and 13. As a brief

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summary, a man put a dynamite bomb in his mother suitcase in a plot to get her life

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insurance and this actually was the first recorded sabotage of a commercial airline 44 people

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lost their lives. It is our desire to create a memorial to honor these 44 victims as well

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as the hundreds connected to this crash police fire department area towns and cities multiple

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towns and cities involved state federal agencies and what we like to call community champions.

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The local farmers who actually heard and saw the crash and were the first ones unseen.

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And some of those farmers are still alive today and I've met some of them and we'd like

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to have this memorial in place next year on the 70th anniversary before they pass.

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There's just so many parts to this.

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I can't explain it.

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Google 629.

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It's significant in that laws were changed regarding accountability for commercial attacks.

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baggage checks now, it changed how the FBI performed forensics, the case was actually intentionally,

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even though it was federal, it was handed over to the state of Colorado because we still

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had the death penalty. And within a 15-month period, this man was tried convicted and put

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to death. But the victims and all the community champions were then forgotten about. It was

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just some big sensational trial, and it was unfortunate for those who lost, and they just

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have never been recognized.

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So that's our goal.

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We just hope that we want to build this memorial.

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It's actually connected.

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The Grand Canyon, no, Canyon City Museum also references

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John Graham as being executed there.

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So we just want your support in our mission.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Is there anybody else in the audience that

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would like to make a comment?

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OK, moving on.

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Now we'll go to consent agenda.

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And we do have some changes to that consent agenda.

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Yeah, I'm here to request a resolution 2494.

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We move the discussion item HG.

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And resolution 24102.

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We move the discussion item HF.

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All right.

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And then the original letter will now be 8H.

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We'll make that movement.

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See, do I have a motion to approve the agenda?

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If you can send to gender, we're going to approve trusty doority and trusty version.

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Okay, here we go.

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We're really quickly resolution 24101.

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Where's where are you?

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We're going to replace the easement and the packet with the correct easement.

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Okay.

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So can we just deal with resolution 24101?

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on then quickly to make sure you're substituting the correct

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easement.

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OK, so we just deal with that then.

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So just making sure of what you're asking you

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when we're doing with the consent agenda,

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we're just going to bring that one out.

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So what you want?

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Yes.

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Yes, please.

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Just call up resolution 24101 and then substitute

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the correct easement.

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I'm sorry this is this is it right here right they had correct these one

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There's that where you put it?

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I'm sorry.

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It's it's in the packet. Okay, I don't have the computer in front of me

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So fine can you pull that up for me?

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Oh, got you. Hey

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Let me

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read this real quick. So I know where it's

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at. All right, mayor. If I may make this just

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I live it. Yeah, I think read the title and then just please note for our minutes

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that the correct easement wasn't included. Okay, you are showing all these

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crew balls that means they're not going to figure it out. It's marium.

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All right, so those in favor of the consent agenda are a voice vote. So those

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in favor. All right, I go against. Okay, got that. And the consent agenda is approval

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of the October 9th 2024 Board of Trustees regular minutes. Approval of the October 16th 2024 Board

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of Trustees special meeting minutes. Consolation of the November 27th 2024 and December 25th 2024 Board

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of trustees minutes. Meeting? Yes. Meeting? Sorry.

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Let's go down. Okay. Resolution 24-100. Resolution

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is the Board of Trustees of the Board of Firestone Colorado. Accepting the dedication of a

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building setback utility and drainage easement from collective land holding partnership LLC

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and vacating a portion of the existing buildings sit back, drainage, and utility.

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These must be pertaining to one-be-one of the Del Camino, Johnson's POD.

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The resolution, oh, that was this right here. Let's do this again, a resolution of the Board of Trustees.

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Wow, having a day, sorry folks.

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Resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone, Colorado, accepting the dedication of a building set back utility and drainage easement from collective land holding partnership LLC and vacating a portion of the existing building set back drainage and utility easement pertaining to lot one be one of the Del Camino Junction Park PU and D and this is the new new and correct.

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You've got to read, you haven't read 24 101 and that's where we'll insert.

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Okay, I was lost on that one. I'm sorry,

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folks.

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Resolution 24101, a resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone Colorado,

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accepting the dedication of a utility easement from quick trip corporation pertaining to the final development plan for quick trip store.

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to find that one real quick.

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And it's store 42.79, all right? You would like me to read

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through it.

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But this needs to make sure that that correct these men is attached to the

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resolution. This got it, okay. Clearers may begin to go a bowling pen while you're at it, though.

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Yeah, well, that's, that's all right. Haven't, haven't got through one of these clean yet,

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So one of these days I'll actually do that.

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All right, so that's what we have for consent agenda.

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All right, moving on to presentation.

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Star Award presentation.

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Mayor, can I just do one more bit of housekeeping really quickly? We got a little bit out of sequence. You have read every item for the consent agenda. There was a motion made to approve it, and there was a voice vote to approve the consent agenda, but just out of sequence, read all the items.

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Okay, so I do you want me to

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I think you through it. I just want to make sure you the board understands that you've approved the consent agenda

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We just leave it with that

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Okay, I'm sorry folks

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Try to do better next time

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It's a good

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evening Mayor, the Board of Trustees, Jan Sloot, human resources director for the

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telepirestone. I apologize for that delay. But tonight we are here to actually recognize

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five of our officers that for their bravery, professionalism, and because of the fact that I think

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It's really important for the chief of police to convey what they really did and how proud we really are of them.

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I'd like the chief to come on off,

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and I'm going to turn that over to you.

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Thank you, Jim. Mayor Trustee, good to be there. Just go out line up guys. They start lineing up.

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I just want to kind of give you a picture of what occurred tonight.

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And a moment, Commander Jim Stroud will actually read the nomination that he submitted.

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But last month, our officers and little old firestone, we were able to put some bad people behind bars and it just happened a little bit of luck and a lot of skill.

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So some of the crimes that you're going to hear about involved auto theft, alluding from police, suspect striking one of our officers, drug possession, murder.

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Recovery of a weapon that was we believe was used in that murder not here in Firestone, but with another agency, so we actually facilitated an arrest for another agency because of these, this intervention right here.

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So I'm going to invite Commander Stroud to come to read the nomination and what was not the awards afterwards.

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Good evening Mayor Tom Board.

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Bear with me for just a minute.

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got a little bit of a long chronology of kind of what occurred but gives a good representation

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of what happened on September 9th. On the morning of September 9th 2024 several officers from

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the Firestone Police Department demonstrated exceptional bravery, professionalism, the coordination

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during the pursuit, and apprehension of three suspects involved in a violent criminal act.

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Their hard work and dedication exemplify the core values of our department and for the outstanding

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efforts they are nominated for the town of Firestone Blue Star Award.

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The incident began when the suspects were contacted in a stolen vehicle in Firestone

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and during an initial encounter, used the stolen vehicle to strike one of our officers.

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The suspects then fled the scene, leading officers on a high-speed pursuit.

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Despite the dangerous circumstances, the officers maintained a composure and skillfully

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pursued the suspects.

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The pursuit concluded when the suspects crashed their vehicle into a concrete, concrete and

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bankman, in the area of Highway 52 and I-25.

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Undeterred these three suspects fled on foot, and two of them took refuge in a water drainage

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tunnel, attempting to barricade themselves.

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With precision and calm, our officers immediately secured the area, protecting the public,

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creating a tactical perimeter.

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There's swift actions ensured that the unfolding situation was contained, and nearby civilians

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were kept out of harm's way.

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Through the collaboration with neighboring police departments, our officers allocated the

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necessary resources, and enacted a carefully executed plan to apprehend the suspects.

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Clear and coordinated commands were issued to the suspects, and over the course of about

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45, 10 minutes, all three suspects were taken into custody without further incident.

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However, one of the suspects initially refused to cooperate with the officer's commands,

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standing at the foot of the water drainage tunnel, instead of raising both hands as ordered,

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he kept one hand at his waistband and used the other to beat on his chest,

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taunting officers, and indicating he had a gun in his waistband.

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Despite the provocation, our officers remain calm,

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and continue to issue clear commands while positioning themselves in the safest manner possible.

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In an effort to de-escalate the situation without lethal force,

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officers deployed a less than lethal foam round, which struck the suspect in the thigh.

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This decisive action led to the suspect eventually complying with officers orders

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and being taken into custody.

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After the suspects were apprehended, officers initiated an evidence canvas

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in the area where the suspects had been hiding.

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A thorough, calculated search was conducted

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and critical items inconspicuously hidden by the suspects were uncovered.

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Thanks to the officers keen to attention and detail during their search,

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they discovered key pieces of a handgun that had been disassembled and hidden.

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These crucial findings later secured charges against the suspects

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related to a recent homicide and a neighboring jurisdiction.

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In addition to the handgun, the suspects were found to possess a significant quantity of fentanyl

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pills as well. The discovery of this evidence alongside the calm and strategic handling of the incident

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highlights the professionalism and diligence of our officers in this department. These officers

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are commended for their bravery, perseverance, and teamwork, and safely apprehending dangerous criminals,

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preventing further harm and upholding the safety of the public.

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Their actions on September 9th, 2024 reflect the highest standards of law enforcement,

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and they are deserving of the town of Firestone's blue star award

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for their outstanding service.

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The gentleman that we're involved with that call from left to right,

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Sergeant Michael Chinick, Sergeant Kurt Bringle, Officer Michael Gunner, Officer Michael Riem,

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and Officer Brandon Minner, those are all our Michaels

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by the way in the department, so I think.

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That everybody, yeah, we brought them all up tonight.

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Gentlemen, thank you for what you did that day.

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I know this is just another call, high stress call for us all,

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but this is what we trained for.

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You guys did an outstanding job,

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and this is what we see with everybody in our department.

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This is just a small sample of who our officers are.

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So please, please welcome and help me thank them

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for this blue star award.

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Over and wherever your stars so that they can

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get a picture of you.

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I would like to thank you.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, we're quick board.

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Well, they're minding up.

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Let me just say quick.

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Thank you for giving us the tools and the resources we need to

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to take suspects like this to take suspects into custody like this without having to use lethal force.

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Without your support and you're approval of budget items for us to purchase the equipment.

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This could not have been possible.

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I just want to state that we also completed our sergeants process and I just also like to

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state that Michael Gunner and Candle was not here. So Officer Gunner will be our next sergeant

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who's get promoted to fill one of our two vacancies. Candle will be our second officer.

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Absolutely. And finally, Brandon Winter will be on the list. So if we have a third opening,

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Brandon will be also on that list for the next year to get promoted to sergeant. So we're

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we're going our own internally within the department. So we'll end gentlemen. So I got to get into

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All

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right, thank you again, gentlemen, and the best part to that whole incident was every

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one of you came home safe, and that was, that's a big deal.

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All right, presentation number two, 2024, shine, prom, presentation, Matt Cody.

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I'm Matt.

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Good evening.

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Mayor, Board of Trustees.

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My name is Matt Cody.

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I serve as the lead pastor of Rocky Mount Christian Church.

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We've got two campuses, which one of them is just right down the road here at Colorado, off a Colorado.

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I'm here to say thanks for being one of our sponsors for our shine prom event.

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That we've hosted at our church the last seven years at the town.

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a firestown has been a sponsor for us. I think maybe the last three or four years and if you're

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not familiar with the event, this is a a prom that our church puts on for people in our community

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with special needs and so we started this seven years ago and this event had just continued to grow

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and grow and grow. This year we hosted a largest prom we've ever put on. I may be biased, I think it's

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best party in the Tritown area, something very special happens when a group of people come

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together, and serve a part of our community that oftentimes gets overlooked. And so this

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is a night where we go all out. We do our best to put on the best party. All of this is

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free for all of our guests. And this year we had over 200 guests, so the biggest party we've

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put on. We had over 500 volunteers who helped us serve and to be buddies, dates for all of

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our guests who show up. Chick-fil-A, sponsored art event, provided all the food for us this year

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for free. And so so many people come together to make this event so memorable and so special

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and the town of Firestone helped us to be able to do that.

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So I want to show you a quick video, and then I'll just say just a couple more things.

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So take a look at this.

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Yeah, that's good.

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I've lived in this area for the past 10 years, I have sort of their church for past 10 years.

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I think one of the cool things about this event that makes us so special is that everybody

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can stack hands.

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Everybody understands just how awesome it is to serve, you know, this part of our community.

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And this year was the first year that we actually had the town of Fires down the town of Frederick

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and the city of DeCono all jump in as sponsors. And I just thought that was a great win for our community.

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We have volunteers that come from all three of our towns. And I'm just proud. I'm proud of our community

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for being all in on this and in proud of the town of Firestone for being a part of that.

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So on behalf of our church and just you know a father and a husband and somebody who lives in our community I just want to say thank you for for jumping in with your support financially.

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It has allowed us to continue this event and each year just keep getting better and better.

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So thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right.

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All right. We'll move on to land

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development.

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Do I have a motion to prove resolution?

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In 24-98, the resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone Colorado, proving an agreement

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between the town of Firestone and Davis Partnership Architects for Architectural and Landscape Design Services

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pertaining to development of a general PUD district plan for Central Park. Do I have a motion?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Hi, Todd.

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Good evening, Board.

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Mayor.

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Todd, be your instructor of Planning and Development.

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The resolution before you is for a professional service agreement with Davis Partnership

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Architects for services related to the creation of a Central Park Plan Unit Development

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PUD rezoning document.

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In conjunction with the Central Park Master Plan and Feasibility Study, a rezoning of

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Central Park property is necessary to provide for orderly development and entitlement of

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land use projects and development plans consistent with the master plan.

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The town only finds that Davis partnership architects has expertise qualifications and

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experience to perform the work, but is also uniquely qualified in that they are already working

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on the Central Park Master Plan and are intimately familiar with the process, the proposed uses,

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as well as the public engagement that has occurred over the last year related to the project.

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And it's determined that it's in the town's best interest to have DPA perform the project services.

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The agreement in your packet is hourly and includes an amount not to exceed $45,000.

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Staff's available to answer any questions you might have. Thank you.

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So real quick, if my member serves me, this is below the budget ceiling for the town manager to just sign off on this with my correct on that.

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Yes, okay, so you're just doing this for transparency.

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Well, sure, two things.

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I think that it's important.

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I think it represents a pretty significant step in the evolution of Central Park we are now about to embark on a process that will draft land use regulations and come up with a PUD so it didn't feel like the kind of thing we just wanted to do in a back office at Town Hall.

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So, yes, for transparency, yes to recognize, into acknowledge what is a big step and the development of a final central part point.

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This will put the land use regulations in place. This is a big deal, I think.

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Yeah, because I know, I noticed that amount, I'm like, okay, there's there's reasons why it's on.

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Trustees, any questions? Trusty, any?

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Is this time to make a comment?

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Yeah, you're big kind of.

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Yeah, I think part of my job is to watch over the money, right?

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That's what I got elected to do.

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So if I'm not able to look over Bids per state regulation, then I cannot do my job.

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So it's not that I have anything against these people.

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I would just like some competitive bids so that I can follow the state regulations and from

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here forward I'd like to see competitive bids, that's just compliant with the law, it's

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good business, it's good for us to have a say in it because we're the final word on improving

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it so I think we should really understand what our choices are.

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Mayor, I'll happy to address that if you would like to, there are other trusty comments.

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We are absolutely complying with the town's purchasing policy and I know we don't make

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a habit of addressing public comment or public commenters, but it's just not correct to say

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that we aren't following the policy.

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And the policy adopted specifically provides for situations arise or when standard competitive

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processes are deemed non-practical, the town manager and designate may enter into non-competitive

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negotiations in the best interest of the town.

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In this case, board, as you know, Davis has been hired by P3, that is not the qualification

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that we based this decision on, we based our decision that it was in the town's best interest to move forward with Davis because I think they performed exceptionally well.

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The board has had an opportunity to meet with them and to talk with them on on three or four occasions.

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You have seen firsthand their ability to synthesize feedback and have it impact or have it

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effect the land use plan as we've added additional detail to it.

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You even see as part of the information we provided you, some of the baseline work they've

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already done.

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And it would be impractical and it would be expensive for us to go out and hire a new contractor

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and have them start with nothing.

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Have them not have any baseline information about the site, not have them had the benefit

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of any previous contact or communication with the Board of Trustees.

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We felt all things considered that it wasn't a town's best interest to hire Davis.

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There we think they're in the best position to move forward.

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We don't find that $45,000 as a not to exceed is out of line for this type of work,

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particularly given its long term importance to Central Park.

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But ultimately, to the mayor's question, this is on the agenda so the board can make this decision

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and not just town staff. So I think we've been diligent, we've been careful, we've been thoughtful,

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Hopefully, as a board, do you agree?

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To go see more?

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Sorry, that gets further away every meeting.

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I couldn't agree more.

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I had questions about this because we all received emails.

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And so I did some research on it.

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And it is outlined in the purchasing policy that this is completely within the realm of what is appropriate.

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So, I do not believe that if there is an accusation that something is not being done correctly, that it's true.

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Right.

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To us to welcome.

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So, AJ, I think he's trying to spoke to my concerns that we've kind of gone.

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We started this whole process with feasibility, and I don't think we've.

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I think we could all agree we still haven't seen that the form results are that and so

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You know, I understand kind of why we're

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What I would call going going to like concept or and design kind of this is the next stage

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This is kind of the next thing we were looking at and we're kind of over in my mind

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We didn't create a gate where we make sure that's everything's feasible before we jump over open the gate and go to the next step

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but

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it is

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You know, the dollar and purchasing procurement policy, you know, obviously, you know, I'm always going to bring that up when I think it's an issue and I'm not going to try to do that

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time because I think it's more important to talk about.

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We're shifting kind of shifting gears here with the project and it's,

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and if I thought the way we set things up with P3 was that that was kind of,

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you know,

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into the nuts and bolts of the project, we would start that would kind of be a new era.

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And that's kind of where I'm, you know,

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45,000 dollars is a significant outlay, but it's

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probably, you know, given it probably take, if we went to a different organization, we probably

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have to spend some portion of that to get it up to speed. So it's probably just a break even

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would use this group. But it's, I don't want to get into this incremental kind of, you know,

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I always want the town to get the best value for the money and the best design work and the best

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and I think staff does too. But at some point we've got to kind of set a gate, you know, that

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hurdle. It says, okay, we've gotten to this point. Let's let's assess and then let's let's see

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see if there's others out there that can improve that process. I'm going to, I'm going to,

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I'm going to vote yes for this because I'm fine, but I'm just saying, we're kind of at that,

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we're kind of at that hurdle. And so I just want the board to kind of consider that and when we get

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the next kind of the next hurdle, the next part of this era that we we consider potentially looking

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an alternate, you know, different ways of doing that. So, okay. And real quick, what would that next step be?

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When we finally started to go like, like, like, when we, when we, sorry.

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Turn on my microphone. I think the next step would be when we finally have a, like, a final design.

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Okay. You know, if I don't, you know, if we, we talked about breaking up into the bubbles, we're going to probably, you know,

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we're going to set those up, and then when we start thinking out, what's going to be in those

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bubbles, that's kind of that.

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So if I remember that, I apologize, I'm not more familiar with the P3 agreement, but I thought

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there was that get through the feasibility, and then we'll go on and look at the other stuff.

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And that's, it's kind of gray right now.

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I think we could all agree on that.

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and we don't want to stop this process,

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but we do need to take a breath every once in a while

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and say, okay, did we get, looking back,

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did we get we want, do we have everything

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we need to go to look forward?

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So, okay, can I just quickly jump in

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because I think I agree with everything that you just said.

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I just want to make sure the board understands

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what we're doing tonight or perhaps set a different way,

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what we're not doing tonight, what you aren't doing tonight

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is approving any sort of development.

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So trust the hook one, when you reference feasibility, that's absolutely where P3 is.

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This is the town tonight acting independently of P3 so that we can put land use regulations

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and ultimately a PUD in place. Presumably the work that P3 has done is doing will inform that PUD.

447
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:17,640
I'm sure you look at the proposal, but when you look at it, it's worth, I think, referring

448
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:23,200
to looking at land use categories for each development block or so, those special, the

449
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,920
super blocks or the planning areas.

450
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:30,340
It's just putting together, it's putting in place some minimum pieces and starting to work

451
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:35,120
on things that would be like design guidelines for, for instance, from the proposal, for

452
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:41,500
major roadway right of ways for general streetscape standards along each right of way.

453
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:48,460
There are certain things, open space and parking requirements for each use in the development

454
00:41:48,460 --> 00:41:52,900
blocks, setback requirements, things that are, I don't want to necessarily call them mundane

455
00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:59,080
because they're important to the overall, orderly and efficient development of the site,

456
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,460
but I just want to make sure we're clear, this isn't a P3 project at this point.

457
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:17,460
This is a town project, putting in place land use standards and land use restrictions, and we made the decision that we wanted to hire Davis because of their familiarity with it.

458
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,680
I appreciate it. It's maybe a little bit nuanced. I understand that.

459
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:33,560
But I just want to, when you say feasibility, and I sort of like the way you said that you talked about gates, I think this is actually beginning to put in place gates that future projects are going to have to,

460
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,640
if you will go through or hurdle over or however you want to carry the analogy but

461
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:45,380
this is putting in place gates and benchmarks and things that future projects and future

462
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:50,060
applicants will have to adhere to and speak to when they're standing in front eventually

463
00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:53,200
of the plan commission and in the board of trustees again.

464
00:42:55,410 --> 00:42:56,510
Yeah and that's it and I think the

465
00:42:56,510 --> 00:43:01,250
thing is just I'm just concerned is getting too far ahead of the feasibility. You know is

466
00:43:01,250 --> 00:43:06,330
I think I think I was correct in saying that there's some overlap in terms of concept and feasibility

467
00:43:06,330 --> 00:43:12,910
and it's just making sure we don't over, you know, extend over our skis too much where we can kind of like

468
00:43:12,910 --> 00:43:15,090
modify our concept based on the feasibility.

469
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:17,610
So.

470
00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:17,830
Should we?

471
00:43:19,210 --> 00:43:21,190
Yeah, just for the record.

472
00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:21,990
Yeah.

473
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:27,910
I'm a huge fan of request proposal, fair and bid, fair bids across the board.

474
00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:32,210
In this case here doesn't seem like that would make a whole lot of sense.

475
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:36,950
It seems like it was already just, this is more of an extension of what they are already doing.

476
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:44,110
So I definitely supported, yeah, but if it's something outside of this, yeah, 100% we need to go through the mid-process.

477
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:46,070
Just my two cents.

478
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:58,890
I was just gonna, for my information on the gates, because I'm kind of like, maybe I'm just, I'm not recognizing the greenness,

479
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:08,110
But I think I expected a feasibility study from P3 to be able to look at and say,

480
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:15,530
okay, this is what they're recommending and be able to process and then make decisions on

481
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:20,710
land use and other things. I thought there would be a delineation of the gate.

482
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:35,330
I guess something I'll say is you will, I believe, get a feasibility, you will see P3, follow through on the scope of work and the deliverables in their contract.

483
00:44:35,950 --> 00:44:44,490
This is a separate activity. Obviously it's related, it's central park. Obviously there's a little bit overlap or whatever the word trustee will come use, not agree with.

484
00:44:44,490 --> 00:44:47,590
But this is different than feasibility.

485
00:44:48,310 --> 00:44:52,330
I think we can set certain design standards and certain public

486
00:44:52,330 --> 00:44:54,950
road-of-way standards without knowing whether or not

487
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:58,270
a particular use is feasible yet.

488
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,390
We know we want roads.

489
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:59,970
We know...

490
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,680
We're going to have parking lots. We know we're going to have open space areas. We're going to have all these things. I think we can begin to set some standards, some design guidelines, some material guidelines, etc., for those things.

491
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:23,500
And land use regulations get amended all the time. PUDs get amended all the time. Maybe there'll be future amendments that individual users will propose based upon the outcome of that feasibility.

492
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:28,520
So I don't want anyone on the board to think that the feasibility work will seize it won't.

493
00:45:28,740 --> 00:45:31,540
It will proceed on its own separate track.

494
00:45:34,370 --> 00:45:37,870
I think that's the last time I won't talk anymore.

495
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:43,530
I think that's key is that since it's essentially the PUD that's serving the town's interest,

496
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:53,090
it won't be who was to make modifications of if we see things change and it's easy to change your own stuff.

497
00:45:53,090 --> 00:45:57,530
Okay, sorry, yeah, anybody else?

498
00:45:58,450 --> 00:45:59,190
Roll call, please.

499
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:05,240
Trustee Dorty?

500
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Trustee Holcomb?

501
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:07,980
Yes.

502
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,760
Mayor Protem Homenes?

503
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Yes.

504
00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:11,480
Trustee Bird?

505
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,140
Yes.

506
00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:13,100
Trustee Haney?

507
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:15,140
Trustee Morton?

508
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,380
Motion passes.

509
00:46:20,490 --> 00:46:23,790
All right, moving on to resolution 24-99.

510
00:46:24,490 --> 00:46:27,550
A resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone Colorado.

511
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:33,950
of proving an amended and amended and re-stated agreement for services with the

512
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:36,110
check-it code consulting LLC.

513
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:39,640
Do I have a motion?

514
00:46:45,860 --> 00:46:51,280
Thank you Mayor and Board. The resolution before you this evening is an amended

515
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,020
and restated professional services agreement with check-it code consulting. The town

516
00:46:56,020 --> 00:47:02,640
has been in our contract with check it code consultant since May of 2022 and they up to this

517
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,780
point have provided not only plan review services but also other services including training

518
00:47:07,780 --> 00:47:15,260
and education for our staff. The cement and restated agreement changes a couple of things

519
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:22,080
including adding on call inspection services which we talked about a little bit during budget.

520
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:29,040
So, it adds that provision of services as well, but also clarifies some of the indemnification

521
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,620
for any sub-consultance that check it code consultant may use specifically as it relates

522
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:39,980
to structural engineering plan review services, which obviously are critical for the town, including

523
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:44,880
those more complex projects that have higher levels of structural review that are necessary.

524
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:52,440
The agreement in the packet includes an amount not to exceed $80,000, the $20,24 budget

525
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:58,260
includes $210,000 for consultant building review and inspection services.

526
00:47:58,660 --> 00:48:02,920
Staff recommends approval of Resolution 24.99, happen to answer any questions you might

527
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:03,600
have for us.

528
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,740
Thank you.

529
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Any questions?

530
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,160
I was trying to understand how this, you know, I assume this still applies to her year

531
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:14,820
2024.

532
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:15,340
Correct.

533
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:27,440
So we can help with the numbers, what did we budget initially budget with them for this year and then how are we changing that for this year and then I'm assuming next year it'll be it's in next year's budget right.

534
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:44,700
So one of the things this agreement also cleans up is that it gets the agreement on our budget annual cycle instead of being made a May and having these weird in between periods and so the budget for 2024 was 210,000.

535
00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:53,700
2025 proposed is 110,000 and so the 80,000 regardless of if it finishes up this year through December 31st.

536
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:59,140
But is renewable January 1st, 2025, it sets that term to restart.

537
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,800
The 80,000 is within both.

538
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:02,700
But it's.

539
00:49:04,780 --> 00:49:07,680
And in terms of the identification, that's pretty substantial.

540
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,080
I mean, you know, we've, you know, you get it.

541
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:20,680
I assume they've got to, I'm just trying to think how you, they provide ongoing, like if they go out of business next year,

542
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,620
ten years from now, if that somebody files a suit against that structure,

543
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:35,920
how are we ensuring our town is covered for those kind of things if we're, I mean, or do we have to worry about that?

544
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:48,100
Well, I mean, we've been indemnified, and I mean, I think, quickly from wrong, Bill, we've been

545
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:53,840
indemnified if there isn't another party for someone to sue or to initiate some kind of

546
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,400
complaint against.

547
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,300
That's, yeah, we're additionally listed as an additional insured within the certificate of

548
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:05,580
live voting insurance with them, as well as any other sub-consultment.

549
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:11,820
And that was continued, whether our relationship with them continued beyond 2025, I mean, that's

550
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:14,400
separate that relationship, say, say 20, 20, 26 weeks

551
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,000
determined they're not, we've found another source.

552
00:50:17,820 --> 00:50:19,440
So the answer is, we've been indemnified

553
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,540
for what they do.

554
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,020
So we're harmless for what they do, right?

555
00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:29,240
OK, I was just wondering, if somebody's been,

556
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:34,460
if they don't come to your defense, if there's a suit

557
00:50:34,460 --> 00:50:37,540
and they don't come to your defense, because they're

558
00:50:37,540 --> 00:50:41,680
out of business, we're still on the hook.

559
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:52,380
Right. I mean, if they cease to exist, is there any kind of, you see, I'm saying it's like an insurance policy or something in case they cease to operate? I mean,

560
00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:58,220
I'm only chuckling, because I mean, it's something if we've been identified for the work that they do.

561
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,460
Right. So we're not liable. Right. So I think that would be the answer.

562
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:08,860
If somebody wouldn't be able to sue us, but you understand how lawyers work. I mean, if,

563
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:19,360
And they would attach to anybody who would have had some sort of, you know, they'd look for people to attach to, right?

564
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:27,900
Yeah, I believe that's correct and I believe we would show that we've been identified and if that are the party doesn't exist, it is a nice as a replacement.

565
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,840
But I believe what I'm saying is that identification doesn't exist if they don't exist, right?

566
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,900
Well, we've been identified for the work they're going to do.

567
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:41,580
Okay, okay, so the obligation does not fall upon the town.

568
00:51:42,220 --> 00:51:48,580
I mean, if they don't find who was the contractor, then, but the obligation is not upon the town, it's town didn't do the work.

569
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,400
Okay, okay, so I need to come forward with it.

570
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,260
Anybody else?

571
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:56,820
Rule come, please.

572
00:52:00,530 --> 00:52:01,290
Trustee Holcomb?

573
00:52:01,650 --> 00:52:01,910
Yes.

574
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:03,590
Trustee Morton?

575
00:52:04,510 --> 00:52:05,130
Trustee Bird?

576
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:06,150
Yes.

577
00:52:06,450 --> 00:52:07,150
Trustee Haney?

578
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:07,710
Yes.

579
00:52:08,350 --> 00:52:09,710
Mayor Pro Tem Humminus?

580
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:10,430
Yes.

581
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:16,130
Trustee Dorty? Yes. Thank you. Motion passes. Thank you, Todd.

582
00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:19,960
All right, we're going to move on to

583
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:28,700
discussion. Action items. We have, do I have a motion to approve Resolution 24-95, your resolution

584
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:33,920
of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Fire at Stone Colorado, acting by and through its water

585
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:41,020
activity enterprise, approving the collective land holding partnership LLC, native water credit,

586
00:52:41,020 --> 00:52:44,560
purchase agreement. Motion to approve. Second.

587
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,900
Majorly. Good evening, Board Mayor.

588
00:52:47,980 --> 00:52:51,640
Julie Pesias, Director of Water and Community Resources for the town.

589
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:54,700
Before the board tonight is a native water,

590
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:59,880
or native water credit purchase agreement for one acre of water

591
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,880
to collective.

592
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:05,280
Project is collective land holding partnership.

593
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:15,240
I'll see this is a commercial developer out in the Del Camino Junction commercial subdivision that is wanting to develop their land.

594
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,620
This one acre foot would be required for dedication to provide water service to that property.

595
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:30,280
They had inquired about their options with the town and we did have some native water rights that were available and we were able to

596
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,060
and present this purchase agreement to them.

597
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:36,440
They've agreed upon it, and it's before the board tonight, for consideration.

598
00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:39,060
All right.

599
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,680
Any comments, questions from the trustees?

600
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:44,700
Who called, please?

601
00:53:47,620 --> 00:53:48,380
Trustee Morton.

602
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:50,500
Trustee Holcomb.

603
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:51,220
Yes.

604
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,880
Mayor of Pro Temminus.

605
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:53,340
Yes.

606
00:53:53,580 --> 00:53:54,320
Trustee Bird.

607
00:53:54,700 --> 00:53:55,080
Yes.

608
00:53:55,540 --> 00:53:56,280
Trustee Haney.

609
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:56,820
Yes.

610
00:53:56,980 --> 00:53:57,660
Trustee Dordy.

611
00:53:59,580 --> 00:53:59,880
All right.

612
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,460
Resolution passes.

613
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:03,220
All right.

614
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:10,080
do have a motion to approve resolution 24-96, a resolution of the board of trustees of the

615
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,880
town of Firestone Colorado, acting by and through this water activity enterprise,

616
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:19,360
approving a purchase and sale agreement with Michelle and Brian Heritage.

617
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,540
We can do a proof.

618
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:27,020
Second. All right. Got that, Missy. All right, too.

619
00:54:27,020 --> 00:54:37,480
Good evening again, so before the board is the purchase and sales agreement with Michelle and Brian Heritage, this is for one share of the new coal rich ditch.

620
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:45,680
There's a board may recall we've brought in a couple purchase and sale agreements previously this year for larger quantities.

621
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:53,020
This is just for one single share, which is equivalent to around one acre foot of water.

622
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:56,200
Thank you.

623
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,580
Any questions?

624
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,580
Roll call please.

625
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:05,540
Trustee Haney?

626
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:06,900
Yes.

627
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,480
Trustee Dordy?

628
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,240
Trustee Holcomb?

629
00:55:10,740 --> 00:55:10,960
Yes.

630
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:12,740
Mayor Pro Temham and is?

631
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:13,180
Yes.

632
00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:14,500
Trustee Bird?

633
00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:15,080
Yes.

634
00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:16,240
Trustee Morton?

635
00:55:18,380 --> 00:55:18,600
All right.

636
00:55:18,780 --> 00:55:19,420
Motion passes.

637
00:55:20,060 --> 00:55:21,140
Moving on.

638
00:55:22,060 --> 00:55:22,460
Resolution.

639
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:24,540
Do I have a motion to approve?

640
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:25,260
Resolution.

641
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:26,240
24.

642
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:33,140
4-97. Resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone Colorado, adopting the baseline

643
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:35,240
agency growth plan.

644
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:40,380
Motion to approve. Back in.

645
00:55:40,820 --> 00:55:46,260
Thank you, Mayor. Board of Trustees, Jan Slough, Human Resources Director for the Town of Firestone.

646
00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:54,260
Before you tonight, you have Resolution 2497, a Resolution requesting that the town of board

647
00:55:54,260 --> 00:56:00,180
adopt the baseline agency growth plan which was shared at the retreat this September.

648
00:56:01,580 --> 00:56:07,420
As you very well know, the packet or actually I included those documents as I had mentioned

649
00:56:07,420 --> 00:56:09,720
at the retreat that I would provide you with.

650
00:56:11,140 --> 00:56:21,200
So, the purpose of this growth plan is to coordinate and I'm sorry.

651
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,320
Let me grab my documents.

652
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:36,380
that's okay. Sorry about that. The purpose of the agency growth plan is to establish a baseline that aligns the current and future workforce needs.

653
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:48,600
We'll monitor and revise it during the annual budget each year and it gives us an opportunity to create a timeline and develop our recruitment strategies as they relate to each department's overall growth.

654
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:59,670
You have any questions?

655
00:57:00,130 --> 00:57:00,910
Yeah, there we go.

656
00:57:01,190 --> 00:57:01,810
Here we go.

657
00:57:01,950 --> 00:57:02,450
Any questions?

658
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:03,770
There's no presentation.

659
00:57:04,130 --> 00:57:04,930
No presentation.

660
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:08,270
I mean, I presented it at the retreat in September.

661
00:57:09,930 --> 00:57:10,550
So just a little bit.

662
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:10,730
Just a little bit.

663
00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:11,730
You're not necessarily.

664
00:57:12,410 --> 00:57:15,830
The information in the packet was always presented.

665
00:57:16,330 --> 00:57:18,510
It's you're not necessarily approving anything.

666
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:21,130
And I'm not spending any money tonight.

667
00:57:21,810 --> 00:57:27,390
What the board is adopting is a plan framework that will use as as

668
00:57:27,390 --> 00:57:35,950
mentioned that will use as part of the annual budget process to benchmark our overall staffing

669
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:40,310
and she mentioned recruitment and that kind of thing are overall staffing against population

670
00:57:40,310 --> 00:57:46,410
milestones. So you're not, if you, yes, though tonight doesn't implement this plan, it's adopting

671
00:57:46,410 --> 00:57:52,970
it as a guide, as you say one more thing, as you might recall, it was one of the items in our

672
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:55,490
2024 or 2025 work plan.

673
00:57:59,740 --> 00:58:00,720
Yeah, when I was looking at spreadsheet,

674
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,100
I was just trying to understand, you know,

675
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:05,620
it obviously, you know, you're planning,

676
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,020
so you're trying to take your best,

677
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:10,020
you're planning the work and working the plans, they say.

678
00:58:11,620 --> 00:58:14,680
And, you know, there's some growth projections on there,

679
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,980
and I would just, you know, they're kind of attached to annual,

680
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:22,080
I guess every year that would be adjusted, you know,

681
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,960
you know, use the gated knowledge analogy before,

682
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:33,820
but it may take two years of growth to get to something that's, you know, 10% like I thought I thought I saw 10% to get to that level.

683
00:58:33,980 --> 00:58:37,820
May take two or three years, it may take half a year. I mean, so it's kind of.

684
00:58:37,820 --> 00:58:41,960
Absolutely. I'm sorry. Is it iterative? I mean, I, I, I, those are the questions.

685
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:48,120
I mean, yes. Yes. I mean, so again, the intention is to, I think,

686
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:58,640
Jan and her staff did the next little job of doing this, the board has previously talked about how we do some succession planning and how we build out overall capacity.

687
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:09,420
And so as subjective as it may be, the approach was to tie it to population milestones and so you've undoubtedly seen that.

688
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,200
And so yes, it will be iterative.

689
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,580
That's why I say you're not adopting anything.

690
00:59:13,580 --> 00:59:19,100
It's not going to be vote yesterday that then automatically we're going to be hiring

691
00:59:19,100 --> 00:59:21,240
these positions as we grow.

692
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:27,880
The intent is this will be another document that we use, a bit of another resource that we use

693
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,700
for now going forward as part of the annual budget.

694
00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:37,600
We'll look at the kinds of positions that cities and towns our size are at those various

695
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,440
population milestones, have and how they use them, and that we can have a discussion about

696
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,460
do we need one of those or two of those or none of those, I mean, so your question about

697
00:59:46,460 --> 00:59:47,360
is it iterative?

698
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,000
It's absolutely iterative.

699
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:55,960
And if I could add, Trustee Hokong, when we did the exercise, we had all the department directors

700
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,980
forecast their needs for based on...

701
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:14,360
For mental population increases of 500 people. So on the left side of that document, you'll see different requests throughout each of those increases.

702
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:24,780
And on the right side of the document, we're just trying to give you an idea as to the costs that are associated with personnel and benefits.

703
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:32,400
for other towns that we hope to grow to so clearly it gives you an indication as to what we can see

704
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,360
or where we will be at in the future.

705
01:00:38,220 --> 01:00:38,400
Okay.

706
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:39,560
Any other questions?

707
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:40,680
So, Stuart.

708
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,980
And I'm sure you went over this at the retreat.

709
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:44,700
I just can't remember.

710
01:00:45,060 --> 01:00:46,960
But the savings at 2.2 million?

711
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,340
What drives that?

712
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,880
So we actually had budgeted 129 employees for this year.

713
01:00:53,180 --> 01:00:55,600
We haven't filled all of our positions for this year.

714
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:01,980
So therefore, we will have a $2.25 million saving in personnel savings.

715
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:02,500
Okay.

716
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:03,600
Thank you.

717
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,060
That's always good to have.

718
01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:05,500
So you exist?

719
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:06,520
Yes.

720
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:08,040
Mayor.

721
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:09,960
Trustee, you may as well.

722
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:14,860
Just want to thank you and all the other directors that put together some meaningful

723
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:15,520
effort on this.

724
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:21,220
I think it's very important when you talk about a town that is expected to grow and you

725
01:01:21,220 --> 01:01:22,160
talk about transparency.

726
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:24,180
I think this clearly lays out.

727
01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:30,360
what the board staff and our residents can expect as we grow and I appreciate all

728
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,460
effort you and the directors did on that. It's very meaningful and very

729
01:01:34,460 --> 01:01:37,180
important. So thank you. Thank you.

730
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,100
Thank you.

731
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,340
Roll call, please.

732
01:01:47,180 --> 01:01:48,300
Mayor, Protem, Jimenez.

733
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,460
Trustee Haney. Yes.

734
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:51,600
Trustee Holcomb.

735
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:52,320
Yes.

736
01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:53,820
Trustee Dority. Yes.

737
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:54,800
Trustee Bird.

738
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:55,380
Yes.

739
01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:56,780
Trustee Morgan. Yes.

740
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:58,260
All right.

741
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:09,860
motion passes. Moving on, do I have a motion to approve resolution 24-103, a resolution

742
01:02:09,860 --> 01:02:15,080
of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Firestone Colorado, adopting the Board of Trustees

743
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:20,060
2025, 2026 work plan. May I have a motion?

744
01:02:20,740 --> 01:02:27,020
Second. Mayor and Board, this is in keeping with a little bit of a theme on this part

745
01:02:27,020 --> 01:02:36,200
the agenda. The previous item this item in the next item are all product discussions at our annual retreat.

746
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:46,140
This is updating the 2025 or updating the 2024 2025 work plan to be 2025 and 2026.

747
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:55,120
You have seen where we have added or replaced or modified goals and milestones and objectives.

748
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:05,420
and this will be the guide for staff for the next couple years and as you know from our meeting

749
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:13,560
last time it's part of the basis for the evaluation of the town manager and I'll obviously use it

750
01:03:14,340 --> 01:03:20,640
when I'm evaluating our department directors but it's a process or it's a plan that we came up

751
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,920
together at the retreat. So, of course, I would recommend approval.

752
01:03:25,660 --> 01:03:26,280
This may be a story.

753
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Yeah, and I just want to plug in for that session,

754
01:03:31,460 --> 01:03:33,980
that it's a full afternoon.

755
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:38,420
The, with the third party engagement and facilitation,

756
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:44,260
I just thought, I was surprised how, to me,

757
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,060
how substantive that was in terms of the,

758
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:50,080
the objectivity, because it's easy, you know,

759
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,840
just kind of being a part of the family

760
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,680
and with a lot of insight knowledge,

761
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,140
but just kind of like the challenging of assumptions

762
01:03:56,140 --> 01:03:59,640
and presumptions and past and what are we really saying

763
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:03,800
for the future, I thought those guys were great.

764
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,780
Well, it's interesting to, if I made to that point,

765
01:04:08,260 --> 01:04:11,840
how much of the 2024 or 2025 we revised

766
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,140
because of what I think you're talking about.

767
01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:16,500
Maybe forgive the expression drilling down

768
01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:19,780
a little bit on what do you mean by this particular goal

769
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:22,620
or object of a milestone or whatever it might have been.

770
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:23,540
So, I agree.

771
01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:27,260
First of all, any?

772
01:04:27,780 --> 01:04:29,000
Yeah, I have a question.

773
01:04:29,780 --> 01:04:33,680
And unfortunately, I can't download this on my computer.

774
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,980
So, I'm going to go, it was on the section

775
01:04:37,980 --> 01:04:42,060
that says, encourage community governance.

776
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,420
Is this the time for me to ask questions about that?

777
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:46,940
No.

778
01:04:49,400 --> 01:05:01,820
It's a developer process for the board to respond to public comment, and I had thoughts about that, but I think I'd like to know what's meant by that before I sing.

779
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,460
Well, I'll try and go out if unless you want to go first, AJ.

780
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:28,120
You're called. Yeah, we talked about this up at the retreat that we all talked about, you know, the public comes up. They give us our comment or their comment and we look at them and I say thank you for your comments and they walk away and I don't think they're feeling that they're being heard.

781
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,920
And so the question was posed.

782
01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:40,800
How can we take the comment and then, and if there's a question and it's not a statement,

783
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:48,900
but there's a question that they need help finding what would that process look like to get them

784
01:05:48,900 --> 01:05:50,240
that answer and contact them?

785
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,500
Am I pretty close with that answer?

786
01:05:51,500 --> 01:05:52,240
I think your right.

787
01:05:52,380 --> 01:06:00,820
I think my recollection is it was trusty bird who articulated it during their treat,

788
01:06:00,820 --> 01:06:20,580
But having said that it's come up several times over the course of the last few years, I think a degree of frustration perhaps on on resident on the residents part at times they they they stand at that the lectern and and make their comment and I think hope or maybe expect to be engaged and

789
01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:32,440
I think what Trustee Bird asked for in the course of the board supported and it's been something we've talked about for a couple of years is an organized way to do exactly that.

790
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:44,580
And the only other piece I'll add to it is I emailed the board last week and some that working with the town clerk's office to see what other cities and towns are doing.

791
01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:50,760
Perhaps I don't have to reinvent the wheel or come up with something elaborate, but we just want to see what other cities and towns are doing.

792
01:06:54,100 --> 01:06:55,280
Yeah, I just want to say thank you for

793
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,740
bringing it up and yeah, I think at the end of the day

794
01:07:00,060 --> 01:07:05,120
We all went to the public to have some type of response, so that's what the whole intent was

795
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,240
Okay, because if you're going to stand here for three minutes you would you want to know that you're heard?

796
01:07:10,180 --> 01:07:10,760
So I

797
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:16,400
Yeah, I don't know the solution looks like but it's a great way to turn it to try to approach this

798
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:24,020
And I agree with Trustee Bird on that, a lot of people do walk away frustrated and they're

799
01:07:24,020 --> 01:07:28,800
not getting answers that they would like and sometimes they're easy.

800
01:07:29,020 --> 01:07:36,920
We've got to figure out a way that we stop them, we do a form that we can contact them

801
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:41,860
with an email or something so that we could get some answers out there so that they feel

802
01:07:41,860 --> 01:07:43,920
like they've been heard and we've been answering.

803
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,640
What that looks like, what do I don't know?

804
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:52,400
Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking about it because I didn't, I didn't know, I think that makes perfect sense.

805
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,120
I would be frustrated too if I made a comment and it just went to nowhere.

806
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:08,120
But I think maybe we could remind people we have like four or five ways in place already, you know,

807
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,980
that they're free to call us.

808
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,200
Leave a voice message.

809
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,060
We'll call them back on our town phone.

810
01:08:16,780 --> 01:08:18,180
They can write us.

811
01:08:18,340 --> 01:08:19,620
We can, and we'll respond.

812
01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:21,820
We'll hopefully, we will respond.

813
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,460
They can attend the chat and speak to us personally.

814
01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:32,680
They can call and set up a lunch with us or coffee or whatever.

815
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:54,680
I've had people catch me in the lobby or in the parking lot and chat, you know there maybe we need to make them feel like that's not their only shot is to stand up and say that they can really initiate solid interactions with us.

816
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:08,920
I guess to take it to an extreme, I don't know how, because the board couldn't answer one board

817
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:15,100
member couldn't answer for everybody, because one person might be a different perspective.

818
01:09:15,100 --> 01:09:21,240
So I don't know, I understand what you're saying,

819
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,980
I just don't want to get in the position of,

820
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:36,900
and this is extreme, but like, monitoring people's comments, oh, that's misinformation.

821
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:42,220
I'm going to straighten you know, I mean, we want people to get up and talk, we want

822
01:09:42,220 --> 01:09:44,240
people to write, we want them to.

823
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:48,500
So, we don't want in any way to feel like we're going to,

824
01:09:50,030 --> 01:09:53,710
not even retaliate, but like push back.

825
01:09:53,770 --> 01:09:56,130
So, people aren't going to want to say anything.

826
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:57,950
If they feel they're going to get...

827
01:09:57,950 --> 01:09:58,710
Yeah, I don't.

828
01:09:58,810 --> 01:10:00,930
I think there was, that was ever even a conflict.

829
01:10:00,930 --> 01:10:03,870
No, I don't think that's intended, but that's just...

830
01:10:03,870 --> 01:10:05,270
I think it needed to be said.

831
01:10:05,310 --> 01:10:07,610
Because I have felt that way as a resident.

832
01:10:08,230 --> 01:10:11,250
Okay. Well, as far as this process goes,

833
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:17,030
It's literally trying to figure out how we can get that information to them that they requested.

834
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:20,510
That's what this process is about.

835
01:10:20,850 --> 01:10:22,310
Trustee Warden?

836
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,800
Well, and those are all really good things that you brought up, Linda.

837
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:35,260
And I think that residents do make outreach and talk to trustees or the mayor or the town manager

838
01:10:35,260 --> 01:10:37,240
and various ways and all that is good.

839
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,380
but I also think a lot of people feel very comfortable

840
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,240
coming to a board meeting and so that it's recorded

841
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,780
and so that their opinions and comments are out there.

842
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,900
But I have to agree with Ray.

843
01:10:50,980 --> 01:10:54,480
I think a lot of times people don't realize

844
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:58,700
we're not gonna respond and so they're not quite sure

845
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:01,460
what's going so I think it's a great idea

846
01:11:01,460 --> 01:11:04,980
that Ray brought up to respond.

847
01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:08,580
And I don't think it's to give just raise opinion.

848
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:14,920
I think if it's information about what's going on in the town, or something that the

849
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,700
board has done, I think there's, and I'm not saying AJ reaching out to other communities

850
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:22,440
to see what they're doing, I think it's a great start.

851
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:27,680
And at the end of the day, we'll probably come up with something that we can all agree on.

852
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:35,040
I'll say it's interesting, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I don't know of a

853
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:42,240
city or town that has a set process or procedure for responding, because I think the intent is to respond if we can't at the meeting.

854
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:49,140
And maybe it winds up being some kind of a subsequent meeting or an email or some kind of a communication, but

855
01:11:49,140 --> 01:11:52,620
generally the rule, not generally the approach,

856
01:11:55,620 --> 01:11:58,100
and I think I can't think of a local government

857
01:11:58,100 --> 01:12:02,300
that doesn't do this way is that you don't respond to public comment.

858
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,640
You take it, you take it under advisement, and then after the meeting, you can do whatever you want with it.

859
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:15,780
So I think it's an interesting step to try and be, you know, to try to have two way communication

860
01:12:15,780 --> 01:12:20,040
in as much an organized and controlled way as possible.

861
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,000
So I'm sort of curious to see what other cities and towns

862
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,160
are doing if anyone's doing that.

863
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,580
Yeah, my thought on that, and I agree with you,

864
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:35,520
AJ, is that at the end, when we do reports,

865
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:40,600
if there's something that staff or somebody

866
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,740
has the answer why we're sitting here

867
01:12:42,740 --> 01:12:49,040
during the meeting and if the people actually stay here during the whole entire meeting after

868
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,740
they've given their comment,

869
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,220
they'll get their answer here in the exact meeting they asked.

870
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,580
That may be, and maybe that will be a process that other towns will start to follow because

871
01:13:02,580 --> 01:13:09,340
it would help. It definitely shows that we're trying to respond as best we can to the residents.

872
01:13:09,340 --> 01:13:12,740
So how this looks, don't know, but I think it's a great idea,

873
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:17,080
trusty of it as well.

874
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:23,240
If I may, just want to make a brief comment to my fellow trustees, you Mayor and staff,

875
01:13:24,180 --> 01:13:31,900
I think our plan for 24, 25, when we look at it was a huge success and I think that impacted

876
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:38,000
where we did for 25, 26, we had to add, I wouldn't say had, but we had the opportunity to add

877
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:45,300
a few more items because we were so successful in implementing what we had put out in for 2425

878
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:50,360
as a reminder, these are one to two year plans and we did, I think, trusty, uh,

879
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:57,240
birth calculated 85% of that two year plan in just under a year. I think this is great. I love

880
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:01,280
that we do this. I think the board for being thoughtful and coming up with many suggestively

881
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:08,680
and then I thank AJ and his team for taking this seriously and implementing it. I appreciate

882
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,800
the effort that goes into it. I think this serves our residents well. When the question is posed

883
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:19,640
what direction is the board leading this town? This clearly defines what that direction is and when

884
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,480
the question is, how effective is our town manager and his staff? That clearly shows you how effective they

885
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:30,800
are when they are meeting the objectives of the board and set in place. So thank you board. Thank you staff

886
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:35,960
for a successful 24-25 plan, and I look forward to seeing what comes over our 25-26.

887
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:43,820
Thank you, Trustee Jim, and as eloquently spoken, thank you for that. I couldn't agree

888
01:14:43,820 --> 01:14:48,880
more of them. I believe the work plan. We have master plans for transportation. We have

889
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,000
a town master plan. We have a parks trails and open space, a national plan. Our work plan

890
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:59,980
is nothing more than another master plan, and those plans help us.

891
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:11,660
In direction, and knowing where we're going. And I think it was AJ that brought up the idea of a work plan. If I'm correct.

892
01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:24,660
Well, if you like it, it's already obvious, but the work plan one, it makes us the board

893
01:15:24,660 --> 01:15:31,820
accountable for the direction this the town is going because we have to come up along with

894
01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:35,540
the staff and AJ these goals.

895
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:39,220
It's just not one-sided. It is a collaborative effort.

896
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:45,360
And with that, everybody knows which way the town is going.

897
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:48,860
And I'll tell you what it's showing.

898
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,640
The work that's been moving forward with that work plan is

899
01:15:54,460 --> 01:15:56,260
is also a nothing short of amazing.

900
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:00,440
I've been part of government for 38 years.

901
01:16:00,620 --> 01:16:03,300
And I haven't seen a work plan that that was that clean

902
01:16:03,300 --> 01:16:06,460
And well done over the power of over the course of two years.

903
01:16:09,940 --> 01:16:12,340
Yeah, I just wanted to add my two senses as well.

904
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:17,280
Just incredible job that again have that much work done off of a two-year plan.

905
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,400
That's incredible.

906
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,360
And I can tell you, I've actually been looking at your work plan.

907
01:16:21,460 --> 01:16:24,300
And figuring out how to do it, doubt that in the private sector.

908
01:16:25,180 --> 01:16:26,560
So it's outstanding work.

909
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:26,900
Of course.

910
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:27,980
Of course.

911
01:16:28,220 --> 01:16:32,540
Thank you for all the comments.

912
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,180
Thank you.

913
01:16:33,180 --> 01:16:37,620
But in all seriousness, if you want to know who to think they're sitting out there.

914
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:38,860
Yeah, that's fantastic jobs.

915
01:16:41,740 --> 01:16:42,100
All right.

916
01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:44,460
Roll call please.

917
01:16:47,190 --> 01:16:47,830
Trustee Hulcomb.

918
01:16:48,650 --> 01:16:48,850
Yes.

919
01:16:49,530 --> 01:16:50,450
Trustee Morton.

920
01:16:50,770 --> 01:16:50,830
Yes.

921
01:16:51,370 --> 01:16:52,110
Trustee Bird.

922
01:16:52,930 --> 01:16:53,230
Yes.

923
01:16:53,930 --> 01:16:54,630
Trustee Haney.

924
01:16:55,050 --> 01:16:55,230
Yes.

925
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:57,170
Mayor Pro-Chema Minas.

926
01:16:57,210 --> 01:16:57,570
Yes.

927
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:58,810
Trustee Dardi.

928
01:16:59,210 --> 01:16:59,310
Yes.

929
01:17:00,310 --> 01:17:01,410
All right, motion passes.

930
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:05,690
All right, moving on to Resolution 24 104.

931
01:17:05,690 --> 01:17:12,310
Do I have a motion for a resolution 24104, a resolution of the Board of Trustees of the

932
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:17,010
Town of Firestone Colorado, approving an underwriter engagement letter with Piper

933
01:17:17,010 --> 01:17:21,170
Sandler and Company for Services regarding Water Revenue Bonds?

934
01:17:21,850 --> 01:17:22,730
Do I have an motion?

935
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:25,630
Motion to approve.

936
01:17:25,910 --> 01:17:26,130
Second.

937
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:36,620
Mayor and Board, this actually is the product of two separate discussions between our

938
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:45,180
water team and the board recall we met in July and then we picked up that discussion at the retreat in September.

939
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:53,960
As we look to, it's also, it's on the work plan that you just adopted is further implementation of the water action plan.

940
01:17:54,440 --> 01:18:04,000
You recall that when we updated or when we did the water rate study and adopted it, there were placeholders for future debt.

941
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:09,180
And I would always kind of say, look, that's not been decided, that's just a placeholder.

942
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:20,020
What this does is engage Piper Sandler for service and helping us plan for what might be a

943
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:27,240
future water debt issue and still help us work through the mechanics of it, they'll help us

944
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:37,420
to the sizing of it, they'll help market it to the bond community, the potential buyers.

945
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:43,400
And then finally I'll say one more thing, I think if someone's wondering whether or not

946
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:50,800
Piper Sandler is the right group, I'll point back to our December 22 issuance of $20 million

947
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:57,700
of water enterprise that that with piper centimeters help we cash funded a

948
01:18:57,700 --> 01:19:02,920
debt service reserve we cash funded capitalized interest we held did everything

949
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:07,140
on our power with their help to hold that cost down they helped us negotiate a

950
01:19:07,140 --> 01:19:12,560
private placement that allowed for retirement at par at any time that we

951
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,660
wanted to and seven or eight months later I can't remember but seven or eight months

952
01:19:16,660 --> 01:19:19,380
later, we completely retired that debt.

953
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,380
And I think Piper Sandler understands

954
01:19:22,380 --> 01:19:25,480
our water action plan, they're very familiar with our staff,

955
01:19:25,540 --> 01:19:28,600
they're very familiar with Jessica and Chris and Julie

956
01:19:29,260 --> 01:19:31,860
and the water team, they get our system,

957
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:35,380
they get our goals, and they've been a good partner.

958
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,560
And ultimately, this doesn't have any cost

959
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,220
unless and until we issue debt.

960
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:47,050
Josh, do you do it?

961
01:19:47,050 --> 01:19:56,070
Could you just give maybe a hypothetical example or two of the types of, I guess, capital improvements

962
01:19:56,070 --> 01:20:00,590
on something that we would be embarking on that we would want this day?

963
01:20:01,870 --> 01:20:02,470
Thank you.

964
01:20:02,890 --> 01:20:10,050
Everything from additional reservoir storage, everything from additional distribution above ground,

965
01:20:10,090 --> 01:20:16,150
tank storage, expansion of the water treatment plant itself, all those things.

966
01:20:16,150 --> 01:20:21,830
And as a companion piece, expanding our raw water portfolio.

967
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:25,920
Thank you.

968
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,460
Do you want to see the whole come?

969
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:30,980
AJ, is this, you know, there's the, at the end of the day,

970
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,700
it's the rate that they're charging for that for the bond work.

971
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,400
Is, is that comparable to what they did in 2022?

972
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,100
Is it the same standard same?

973
01:20:39,620 --> 01:20:39,780
Okay.

974
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:45,020
And we, it's, depending on, I assume between bond companies

975
01:20:45,020 --> 01:20:48,900
It'd be, we'd probably have the same rate if we went to three different companies.

976
01:20:50,220 --> 01:20:57,360
It'd be very comparable and the only other thing I'd say is, this engages them.

977
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:58,320
We don't have an agreement.

978
01:20:58,660 --> 01:20:59,220
We won't.

979
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:05,300
I mean, there'll be a final issue in agreement that would nail down a fee and, you know,

980
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:10,400
not to negotiate on a, during a meeting that Piper's Nailer could watch, but I would

981
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,860
imagine we'll have some additional discussion about a proposed fee at some point and

982
01:21:13,860 --> 01:21:19,620
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else?

983
01:21:21,490 --> 01:21:22,430
We'll call please.

984
01:21:25,330 --> 01:21:26,650
Trustee Morton? Yes.

985
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:28,910
Trustee Holcomb? Yes.

986
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:30,890
Mayor Pro Temham Minas? Yes.

987
01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:32,930
Trustee Bird? Yes.

988
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:34,750
Trustee Haney? Yes.

989
01:21:35,150 --> 01:21:36,410
Trustee Dordey? Yes.

990
01:21:37,570 --> 01:21:38,630
All right. Motion passes.

991
01:21:39,890 --> 01:21:42,310
Moving on to Resolution 24. Yes.

992
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:43,930
One zero two.

993
01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:51,270
Do I have a motion to approve Resolution 24-102 of Resolution of the Board of Trustees of the

994
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:52,530
Town of Firestone, Colorado?

995
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:59,950
Supporting the St. Rain Valley School District RE1J proposed the bottom of the measure to

996
01:21:59,950 --> 01:22:02,150
have a motion.

997
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:04,070
Second.

998
01:22:06,190 --> 01:22:07,930
I'm bringing this up.

999
01:22:07,930 --> 01:22:10,890
I'm the one that requested this on the agenda.

1000
01:22:12,490 --> 01:22:16,030
Over the course, of course, everybody knows

1001
01:22:16,030 --> 01:22:17,030
the same thing.

1002
01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:20,490
School district is going for their bond,

1003
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:23,030
and it's a hefty bond.

1004
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:25,890
It's $786 million dollars, I believe.

1005
01:22:28,370 --> 01:22:33,650
But we had discussion of this earlier with the board,

1006
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:36,730
and they wanted to stay neutral.

1007
01:22:38,490 --> 01:22:46,830
Since then, though, I have had numerous residents of the town of Firestone that wanted us

1008
01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:53,930
to put this on the agenda and ask me what the board was going to do, and I said, I cannot

1009
01:22:53,930 --> 01:22:59,190
speak for the board themselves, and in a little moment, let me back up.

1010
01:22:59,190 --> 01:23:03,130
The first part was to ask me what the board was going to do, and I said, I cannot speak for

1011
01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:03,490
the board.

1012
01:23:03,490 --> 01:23:08,850
I can only speak for myself but for the board, they wanted to know what the board was going

1013
01:23:08,850 --> 01:23:16,850
wanted to do and so they were asking that it would be put on the agenda and so I granted

1014
01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:25,590
their request to put it on the agenda and so with that I'm asking for support for the

1015
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:27,810
For new schools,

1016
01:23:29,890 --> 01:23:35,370
right now the bonds do not help the town of Firestone is for schools in the district.

1017
01:23:35,970 --> 01:23:41,450
There are some schools that will serve the district but there will be outside Firestone.

1018
01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:49,450
One will be close to meet high school and another one will be I believe over in the Windham Hill area of Frederick.

1019
01:23:49,450 --> 01:23:55,590
So, firestone kids will go to those schools, but there will be no school and firestone.

1020
01:23:56,390 --> 01:24:03,070
But I believe that this bond will help bring schools to firestone eventually.

1021
01:24:04,530 --> 01:24:10,690
And so, if anybody's got a question or a comment, so I'm more trusty.

1022
01:24:10,850 --> 01:24:11,890
Yeah, I comment.

1023
01:24:14,110 --> 01:24:18,990
I was one of the ones who feel strongly that the board should remain neutral.

1024
01:24:19,450 --> 01:24:29,150
on issues that cost residents money and is their choice to make, it's not my choice to

1025
01:24:29,150 --> 01:24:38,210
make how you vote. So plus I have my, all my voter stuff sitting by my chair ready to read

1026
01:24:38,210 --> 01:24:48,590
and study and I have not had a chance to read through and study that. So when I vote no I don't want

1027
01:24:48,590 --> 01:24:53,150
to be misunderstood that I'm not behind the measure.

1028
01:24:54,270 --> 01:24:57,730
I just, number one, Phil, we should be neutral in number two.

1029
01:24:58,290 --> 01:25:02,570
I don't know how I would vote personally yet,

1030
01:25:03,310 --> 01:25:06,230
so I can't vote as a board, how I would vote.

1031
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:09,670
Or how to recommend you to vote for something.

1032
01:25:10,350 --> 01:25:11,610
Thank you.

1033
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:12,510
Good comments.

1034
01:25:13,550 --> 01:25:14,010
Trusty, welcome.

1035
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:25,010
So, you know, when we talked about this in the pre-session, we talked about kind of what

1036
01:25:25,010 --> 01:25:26,410
showing support for the school board.

1037
01:25:27,370 --> 01:25:34,610
And I think the school board would be realistic and understand what the residents are doing.

1038
01:25:35,070 --> 01:25:41,050
I mean, I would guess we have probably an 80 to 90 percent of the students in this community

1039
01:25:41,050 --> 01:25:49,390
attend of same frame value school. So that's one level of support. We've got numerous landowners

1040
01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:59,250
that pay taxes every year to do that. The town specifically, we divert impact fees, we divert

1041
01:25:59,250 --> 01:26:05,010
land dedications, we coordinate with their needs to make adjustments to our development plans.

1042
01:26:05,010 --> 01:26:14,290
we provide security police officers to help with schools, we used to help doing, we don't do

1043
01:26:14,290 --> 01:26:20,950
the crosswalk stuff anymore, but we try to make, we, we, we, we, the crosswalks, we,

1044
01:26:21,370 --> 01:26:28,770
we put those in place at a high expense to do that. So I, you know, the school is ingrained

1045
01:26:28,770 --> 01:26:30,770
in our community is as much as anything.

1046
01:26:31,150 --> 01:26:36,650
And so what I would advise people to do

1047
01:26:36,650 --> 01:26:40,570
and because I fundamentally think my opinion on this bond

1048
01:26:40,570 --> 01:26:43,110
is meaningless to a voter, another voter.

1049
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:45,030
I think I won't know my opinion, I can give it to them.

1050
01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:49,030
But my position as an individual or as a part of this board,

1051
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:50,210
I think, is mood.

1052
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:52,310
I think it's up to the individual

1053
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:54,850
to decide how that impacts their situation.

1054
01:26:54,850 --> 01:27:01,010
And if they think extending this, this, this millevy for the board, for the district is a good thing.

1055
01:27:01,190 --> 01:27:06,510
And that's, I, I would not, I would not, I would not, if somebody said they voted, yes,

1056
01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:10,370
for it, if somebody said they voted, no, I, I, it doesn't chase away my opinion of them anyway.

1057
01:27:11,090 --> 01:27:11,970
It's, it's their choice.

1058
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:19,530
And so I, I, you know, I, I just, I, these things, I struggle because I think, I think my opinion

1059
01:27:19,530 --> 01:27:22,430
and my vote as a trustee is meaningless to this.

1060
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:24,750
And so I, I, I, I don't,

1061
01:27:24,750 --> 01:27:28,710
I don't like to be, you know, because I respect what people have to decide that they have to

1062
01:27:28,710 --> 01:27:30,490
decide that for themselves and their families.

1063
01:27:31,070 --> 01:27:32,350
So that's kind of what I'm at.

1064
01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:40,010
And I think I think, you know, I think with this town, as we support schools, I, my neighbors

1065
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:43,730
do, and you can tell, we have, we have full schools.

1066
01:27:43,930 --> 01:27:45,070
It's not like they're struggling.

1067
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:48,470
And I watch parents every day go to school, pick up their kids.

1068
01:27:48,810 --> 01:27:52,950
These are things that indicate of a vibrant community.

1069
01:27:52,950 --> 01:28:01,310
Yeah, maybe you and you can decide whether those extra dollars for your personal budget make a difference or not, and that's that's kind of where I'm planning so

1070
01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:06,010
And be honest with you. I agree with everything you said Matt. I

1071
01:28:06,710 --> 01:28:18,150
You know, I gave them my opinion of the bond, but they wanted to know the boards position was on it and and there was enough of them that it was

1072
01:28:19,190 --> 01:28:22,650
I just thought it was prudent for us to least

1073
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:25,470
talk about the question in and decide.

1074
01:28:27,790 --> 01:28:28,510
Trustee Morton.

1075
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:43,220
I just want to be clear that what we are doing if we vote in favor of this is we are supporting the school.

1076
01:28:43,900 --> 01:28:48,720
We are, we as a board representing the town of Firestone.

1077
01:28:49,220 --> 01:28:50,900
Sorry, it was a fun.

1078
01:28:50,900 --> 01:29:04,900
Okay. But we are in support of the bond for the school district. That does not mean that

1079
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:10,500
we personally, it's not an indication of how we personally or our neighbors would vote

1080
01:29:10,500 --> 01:29:20,120
or anybody would vote. It's just saying that we are in support of supporting the schools

1081
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:20,980
in our community.

1082
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:22,180
Okay.

1083
01:29:22,460 --> 01:29:23,660
Thank you.

1084
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:24,700
Just a few minutes.

1085
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:30,480
I appreciate and agree with everything that's been said so far on this matter.

1086
01:29:30,820 --> 01:29:37,200
The way I view this is we have heard many times from residents, they're concerned about

1087
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:43,340
availability of schools to our children that are in our community now and those that are

1088
01:29:43,340 --> 01:29:44,300
moving here.

1089
01:29:44,300 --> 01:29:49,680
what I see with this measure is there will be opportunity for additional

1090
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:57,260
buildings for those children to attain to attend. I am wish there would be a

1091
01:29:57,260 --> 01:29:59,840
school in Firestone on the little disappointed it's not.

1092
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,280
I encourage residents to continue to push that with that school district and that school board,

1093
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:13,300
because ultimately, they're the ones who make that decision. But for my perspective, if my fellow

1094
01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:19,880
residents are asking me, well, this serve my children, I think it does. It doesn't bring you a

1095
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:26,200
school in your neighborhood, but it does bring additional schools that are residents who are going

1096
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:33,320
school can attend. So for me I will support this but I am frustrated there is no school in

1097
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:33,980
firestone.

1098
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,080
I think everyone said the same thing I'm thinking out and typically not a support

1099
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:48,580
of putting my thumb on the scale one way or the other but in this case here I think it's a good

1100
01:30:48,580 --> 01:30:54,620
thing to support the schools but it's more about down the road how do we attract the school here

1101
01:30:54,620 --> 01:31:05,200
So, yeah, the I'll support it somewhat reluctantly, so I'm going to just say that I'm not, I don't think we should sway voters' opinions.

1102
01:31:05,860 --> 01:31:08,260
I agree with you, I agree with you.

1103
01:31:08,260 --> 01:31:11,080
Any other comment?

1104
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:13,100
Trustee Jordan.

1105
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,280
I think is a symbolic gesture.

1106
01:31:15,540 --> 01:31:16,860
I'll support it.

1107
01:31:16,860 --> 01:31:18,040
I appreciate everything.

1108
01:31:18,780 --> 01:31:22,640
Frozen cons, both of them, at the, I really do.

1109
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,640
But I think it's a symbolic gesture.

1110
01:31:27,540 --> 01:31:31,100
I don't want to get in the business of being

1111
01:31:31,100 --> 01:31:34,440
lobby to support legislation, you know, that's just.

1112
01:31:34,700 --> 01:31:37,720
But this is, you know, God-configured kids, schools,

1113
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:40,960
education, Saint-Rain Valley, you know,

1114
01:31:41,140 --> 01:31:42,840
embedded in all of our lives.

1115
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,200
We're all touched by it.

1116
01:31:46,100 --> 01:31:49,220
So in this one instance, as a symbolic gesture,

1117
01:31:49,660 --> 01:31:50,820
I will support it.

1118
01:31:51,900 --> 01:31:57,540
Thank you, Angela, like I said, I was hesitant to do it, but enough people came forward

1119
01:31:57,540 --> 01:32:03,460
that I finally said, yeah, well, and it is, well, Blake, I mean, we're two weeks away from

1120
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:08,740
the election, but enough people were asking, and so I agreed to do it.

1121
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:14,140
We get a 70, 739 million dollar bond.

1122
01:32:14,700 --> 01:32:17,760
Do we know how much of that will actually be spent in the Carbon Valley?

1123
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,380
And I mean, there's not a whole lot in firestone about that.

1124
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:30,200
Right. No, what I know right now off hand with what I did peruse the bond is there will be a new high school in

1125
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:37,400
Frederick. It'll be a new K-38 bill near Mead, Mead, Mead, Mead, Mead, Mead, Mead, Mead. So that would be very close to

1126
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:47,100
barefoot lakes, and there'll be a innovation center, I guess, career development center or

1127
01:32:47,100 --> 01:32:50,400
something, an innovation center that's around long-month.

1128
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:55,280
There's going to be one built out here for the Carbon Valley kids, so they don't have to travel

1129
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,040
to long-month to attend that.

1130
01:32:58,460 --> 01:33:00,300
So it'll be safer for the kids.

1131
01:33:00,380 --> 01:33:04,980
They're not driving as far as either, so that's what I know of right there, just perusing

1132
01:33:04,980 --> 01:33:05,900
the body.

1133
01:33:05,900 --> 01:33:12,600
Yes, and I know they're doing some improvements on Centennial. I elementary. I don't know whether it's a new roof or whatever

1134
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:19,000
But they're doing something there and I think there's a couple of other schools that they're making some minor improvements to

1135
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:23,060
So yeah, so there is there is some infrastructure within this body,

1136
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,180
right roll call, please

1137
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,540
Trustee Haney no

1138
01:33:33,540 --> 01:33:35,700
Trustee Doready. Yes

1139
01:33:35,700 --> 01:33:40,520
Trustee Holcomb? No, may your pro-temmeness? Yes

1140
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:45,880
Trustee Bird? Yes. Trustee Morton? Yes.

1141
01:33:47,380 --> 01:33:48,040
There's your passes.

1142
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:54,100
Okay. Moving on to Resolution 24-94.

1143
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,560
Do I have a motion to approve Resolution 24-94,

1144
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,280
a resolution of the Board of Trustees of the Town of Fire,

1145
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:03,960
Stone, Colorado,

1146
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:07,180
approving an agreement between the town of Firestone

1147
01:34:07,180 --> 01:34:09,100
and Colorado Civil Group incorporated

1148
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:11,460
for engineering design services

1149
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:17,080
pertaining to the new coal-rich ditched lateral final design project. Do I have a motion?

1150
01:34:18,020 --> 01:34:19,640
No, it's an approved. Second.

1151
01:34:21,620 --> 01:34:21,900
All right.

1152
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:24,840
Go ahead, trusty Hulkin.

1153
01:34:25,140 --> 01:34:29,000
I'll speak to this. I'll try not to. I won't try to go on to one.

1154
01:34:29,420 --> 01:34:34,960
You know, the contract amount was a not to exceed 283,000 and some change.

1155
01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:40,780
This is just another one. Obviously, it makes sense since it is the final part of the design

1156
01:34:40,780 --> 01:34:45,600
contract to probably go as long as the preliminary parts were good, of good work and a good

1157
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,260
value to continue that. So that's not the part of it. It's just the, some of the

1158
01:34:51,260 --> 01:34:56,940
verbage here in the resolution is just, you know, it's a bit much to, you know, that the,

1159
01:34:56,940 --> 01:35:04,360
let's see, let me read it here, because I thought it was, it's not you. The service is a sole provider

1160
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:08,960
because there are expertise, so I'm pretty sure they're not the only ones with the expertise,

1161
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,140
They're qualifications.

1162
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,080
They're not the only ones with this qualifications.

1163
01:35:13,100 --> 01:35:13,740
They're experienced.

1164
01:35:14,060 --> 01:35:15,200
I'm thinking there's some other companies

1165
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:16,540
and down with the experience.

1166
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:17,600
And they're knowledge.

1167
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,460
That's probably the only thing of the town's water flow.

1168
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:24,620
And that's about the one thing.

1169
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:31,080
But I think those conditions that are made that led to naming this,

1170
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:33,300
and like I've said in the past.

1171
01:35:33,420 --> 01:35:35,460
This isn't an indictment on the provider.

1172
01:35:35,460 --> 01:35:45,200
It's just, those are not unique things that, to a company that would do service for the town so that's all I want to say.

1173
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:52,100
And I'll go a little bit on some of your things with experience.

1174
01:35:54,900 --> 01:35:58,480
Yeah, I mean, engineers all have a certain amount of experience.

1175
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:08,500
I think I tend to use that word in what this company knows about the entire plant because

1176
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:12,040
they've been here at the very start for the plant and wave before.

1177
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:18,060
This company I think has gone a long ways to build our entire water system.

1178
01:36:18,060 --> 01:36:34,740
And so that knowledge alone is worth a lot of money because a new group coming in would have to take a lot of time and a lot of effort that we would be paying them to come up to speed.

1179
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:38,940
So that's a balancing act, there are a degree.

1180
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:47,740
But then also this group has done amazing work

1181
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:49,280
and very good work.

1182
01:36:49,940 --> 01:36:52,200
So there's a trust factor there.

1183
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:55,580
Do I think that we should always check their numbers

1184
01:36:55,580 --> 01:36:58,580
to make sure that we are spending correctly?

1185
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:00,840
And that we're not overspending just because

1186
01:37:02,380 --> 01:37:09,180
the most experienced. Yeah, I do believe we should make sure that they are charging a fair price.

1187
01:37:11,300 --> 01:37:17,640
But this group, the vast knowledge that they have at the town of Fireson's water system,

1188
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:21,040
makes them pretty hard to beat. I think we just got to do our due diligence.

1189
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,380
Make sure that we're not overspending.

1190
01:37:26,740 --> 01:37:27,620
May I have a question?

1191
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:28,960
Trustee Jimenez.

1192
01:37:29,380 --> 01:37:29,860
Thank you.

1193
01:37:29,860 --> 01:37:31,700
I don't know if it's in for the end.

1194
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,400
Go ahead.

1195
01:37:34,780 --> 01:37:39,900
Oh, I was just going to say, and this is not in any way intended to argue the point.

1196
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:42,860
This is the second meeting a row.

1197
01:37:43,300 --> 01:37:51,240
Trustee Hokem is pulled what I would call like a companion item off of consent and what I just

1198
01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:59,840
want to point out and for the public's benefit that just like with the master meter control

1199
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:07,980
vaults at the last meeting in the coal-ridge lateral tonight. A couple of things have happened.

1200
01:38:08,980 --> 01:38:15,640
One, CCG was hired to do the preliminary design. That's pretty significant. If we were to bring

1201
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:23,520
in an outside firm or a new firm to do this, the very first thing they would have to do is to spend

1202
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:30,580
time going over the primary design and get familiar with it and I think there would be I know

1203
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:35,800
there would be cost there and this is not intended to in any way argue the point. What I want

1204
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:47,960
to propose is that perhaps as a staff we can do a better job of pointing out to you the times

1205
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:53,000
when someone's doing a preliminary design and there might be a built-in expectation that

1206
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:59,060
because of their familiarity, because of their expertise, whatever it may be, that we might

1207
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:59,980
just point out.

1208
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:04,480
And maybe this is worth some future discussion and a work session about our purchasing

1209
01:39:04,480 --> 01:39:05,100
policy.

1210
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:10,900
Because I will say again, we are absolutely adhering to our purchasing policy and the language

1211
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:17,440
that trusty-hulcome referenced is exactly that, is to show that we are adhering to our purchasing

1212
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:17,940
policy.

1213
01:39:17,940 --> 01:39:23,380
All by way of saying, it may be worth some discussion at a future work session, maybe the board would

1214
01:39:23,380 --> 01:39:29,700
like us to be a little more intentional and a little more obvious when we are hiring somebody

1215
01:39:29,700 --> 01:39:35,040
to do some preliminary design work that maybe it's worth an extra sentence in the aim or the

1216
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:40,520
resolution or whatever it might be to point out or presentation, whatever it might be to point out that

1217
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:46,080
our expectation would be this firm would be in line to do the final design if that's what it is because

1218
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:51,860
of their familiarity. I think that's a reasonable and fair point and we can make that adjustment

1219
01:39:51,860 --> 01:39:56,220
if that's what the board would want. Maybe we want to have 20 minutes of discussion at a

1220
01:39:56,220 --> 01:40:02,020
work session about it or and or if the board wants to revisit our purchasing policy we could

1221
01:40:02,020 --> 01:40:06,020
we can certainly do that. I don't mind making Jessica redo the purchasing policy.

1222
01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:12,540
Thank you, AJ. Did anybody else have any comment on that?

1223
01:40:14,850 --> 01:40:16,230
Okay, we'll call, please.

1224
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:21,550
May your pro-tem hummus?

1225
01:40:22,530 --> 01:40:23,130
Yes.

1226
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:24,290
Trustee Haney?

1227
01:40:24,930 --> 01:40:25,030
Yes.

1228
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:26,210
Trustee Holcomb?

1229
01:40:26,510 --> 01:40:26,750
Yes.

1230
01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:28,050
Trustee Dordey?

1231
01:40:28,810 --> 01:40:29,530
Trustee Bird?

1232
01:40:29,970 --> 01:40:30,250
Yes.

1233
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:31,050
Trustee Martin?

1234
01:40:31,610 --> 01:40:31,630
Yes.

1235
01:40:34,230 --> 01:40:35,430
Motion passes.

1236
01:40:37,190 --> 01:40:38,750
Now we're going to...

1237
01:40:38,750 --> 01:40:39,770
Let's see.

1238
01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:40,850
Take a five minute right here.

1239
01:40:41,090 --> 01:40:41,830
What's that?

1240
01:40:41,930 --> 01:40:43,510
Can I request a five minute break?

1241
01:40:44,050 --> 01:40:44,330
Yes.

1242
01:40:45,050 --> 01:40:46,610
We'll have a five minute break.

1243
01:40:46,610 --> 01:40:47,470
Request it.

1244
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:48,230
Thank you.

1245
01:40:48,230 --> 01:40:55,710
Be back. I'll give you 7 minutes. Be back at 8. 747.

1246
01:40:57,690 --> 01:40:59,170
Just because I want to be difficult.

1247
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,500
Yeah, I really need this one right now.

1248
01:41:16,460 --> 01:41:17,340
Well, uh...

1249
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,880
You know, because I'm scared.

1250
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:20,940
Yeah, I'm afraid.

1251
01:41:21,820 --> 01:41:22,460
Go in space.

1252
01:41:22,980 --> 01:41:25,520
I've got to worry about the people because I do people.

1253
01:41:36,440 --> 01:41:49,980
All right, we'll get started again, and we are on six or 747, so thank you, and what we have now is the 2025 budget review.

1254
01:41:51,620 --> 01:41:59,640
So, Mayor and Board, at a high level, we'll go through everything that we have covered, thus

1255
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:00,340
far.

1256
01:42:00,700 --> 01:42:02,600
And we're going to put on the screen.

1257
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:03,480
Balancing actor.

1258
01:42:03,660 --> 01:42:04,520
We're going to put the...

1259
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:04,700
Okay.

1260
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:05,500
Balancing actor.

1261
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:12,360
As a quick aside, Board, we'd be interested in getting your feedback and finance committee to

1262
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:17,460
the extent, and went from the public, if you've paid attention to it and if you have,

1263
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:26,960
You know, followed along the individual budget presentations and discussions, we would be interested in getting your feedback about balancing act.

1264
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:28,660
It was our first go-round.

1265
01:42:29,380 --> 01:42:31,260
I think in particular, IV is done.

1266
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:36,120
Anchorists have done an exceptional job of making it make some sense.

1267
01:42:36,980 --> 01:42:42,460
And he should have been at the first staff discussion we had about it.

1268
01:42:43,220 --> 01:42:45,300
I would say it wasn't fluid.

1269
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:47,800
But, anyway,

1270
01:42:51,120 --> 01:43:09,280
you want to get your feedback, we want to develop this as a resource, you know, one of the goals, one of the objectives was to begin to implement some kind of an open budget platform and there are a bunch of them out there, but there's some additional functionality that will eventually work our way to.

1271
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:26,520
Anyway, as far as the town's budget remind the board that we started this process, reviewing it publicly on September 18th and almost every meeting since then, we have had at least some portion of the meeting devoted to the budget.

1272
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:38,480
Townwide, our townwide, in 2025, we are projecting revenues of 82 million of $623,493.

1273
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:46,060
We are proposing expenditures of $68,747,639.

1274
01:43:47,940 --> 01:43:56,180
So generally, by the time we transfer out for capitals and our capital improvements, and

1275
01:43:56,180 --> 01:44:02,140
service payments a little more than five and a quarter million dollars. We are projecting

1276
01:44:02,140 --> 01:44:08,300
townwide a budget surplus of eight million eight hundred and seventeen thousand three hundred

1277
01:44:08,300 --> 01:44:14,960
eighty six dollars. We are projecting an ending townwide fund balance of seventy four million

1278
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:21,900
eight hundred and forty seven thousand and ten dollars and seventeen point six million dollars

1279
01:44:21,900 --> 01:44:23,920
as an unassigned fund balance.

1280
01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:25,440
But that's high level.

1281
01:44:25,780 --> 01:44:27,540
We don't always deal with the town why,

1282
01:44:27,660 --> 01:44:31,360
but I think it's interesting to have that perspective.

1283
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:33,460
If you recall, we went through the general fund.

1284
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:38,520
We're about $1.8 million as an operating surplus

1285
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:39,520
in our general fund.

1286
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:43,200
We're adding to our general fund balances.

1287
01:44:43,200 --> 01:44:46,240
We're adding, particularly, to our unassigned fund balances.

1288
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:56,740
I think, carrying the theme from 24 into 25, I think we are appropriately conservative

1289
01:44:57,490 --> 01:44:59,980
with our both our revenue projections, and...

1290
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,300
As we always try to be, we are all in, try to be all in with our expenditure projections, you know, we've walked you through all those, of course, the department directors made their department by department presentations.

1291
01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:22,580
So as we're moving toward on the November 13th adoption, a public hearing and adoption of the budget,

1292
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:30,480
we've made our presentations now between myself, Chris and Jessica were available to answer any questions

1293
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:31,740
of Board might have.

1294
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:34,570
Board members?

1295
01:45:38,700 --> 01:45:48,060
You know, I want to use every time wisely. So I just kind of reviewed back when back through the

1296
01:45:48,060 --> 01:45:54,660
Those are, I can submit them later, I'm kind of whatever, if I'm going on, you can

1297
01:45:54,660 --> 01:45:55,380
hit me in the head.

1298
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:57,460
This is fun or review, so go ahead.

1299
01:45:57,460 --> 01:45:58,720
Let's do it.

1300
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:07,420
So I wanted to look at the water fund capital projects here first, and just that's basically

1301
01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:16,160
because that's kind of, you know, with the water rates and that's, you know, as far as

1302
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:20,680
in interaction with the public, that seems to be the thing that usually comes out, is why are

1303
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:24,520
my water rates so high? So I just wanted to kind of go through it and make sure to see if I

1304
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:32,120
was understanding something these things correctly. So I'm on the sheet fell, the water, very

1305
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:38,780
first one with a couple improvement, suddenly for the water fund. Right, but before you get any further,

1306
01:46:38,780 --> 01:46:42,880
you made a distinction that I need to make sure that we got.

1307
01:46:45,340 --> 01:46:49,720
So I'm not sure if all of these projects

1308
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,520
are from the water fund or if they're from the water action fund or is this a plan?

1309
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:55,680
That's part of my question.

1310
01:46:56,020 --> 01:46:58,180
So if you let me go for it.

1311
01:46:58,740 --> 01:47:05,020
So if you look like for either the carry-off in 2024 or the proposed budget from 2025,

1312
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:15,060
It looks like there's five things that are probably water-rate funded versus, and some of

1313
01:47:15,060 --> 01:47:20,620
this may be just the way it was put on the spreadsheet here, so in other words, the

1314
01:47:20,620 --> 01:47:27,100
next participation, the water line replacement, the scatter upgrade, or scatter, which

1315
01:47:27,100 --> 01:47:34,460
where you like to say it. Upgrade the water tank number two and the flow control meter vaults.

1316
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:44,520
Those appear to be not part of the water action plan. If I understand that had capital things,

1317
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:51,460
is that the way you interpret those? Yeah, I think I was trying to do my best to follow you all the way along,

1318
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:56,420
but so here's my concern. So we're trying to, I think next year we're trying to get about

1319
01:47:56,420 --> 01:48:03,120
almost 9 million of water rate revenue right that's kind of where we 8.9 or 8.9 I think is what's the number

1320
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:11,800
so if you take those those capital projects you've got almost five million dollars there

1321
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:19,190
so that's a pretty big chunk of that is that are some of those dollars going to come from

1322
01:48:19,190 --> 01:48:27,190
And that seems high to, in terms of what, it seems like we're going to run the water,

1323
01:48:27,850 --> 01:48:30,790
if you divide the water fund into the water rate and the water action plan, it seems

1324
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:35,590
like the water rate side is going to run it at a deficit because of that, but that makes sense

1325
01:48:35,590 --> 01:48:42,650
is that that makes sense and that is accurate and basically what has been happening for

1326
01:48:42,650 --> 01:48:49,290
the last year or two, is that the water action plan, revenue funds have been supplementing

1327
01:48:50,050 --> 01:48:55,510
some of the capital improvements. So the capital improvements and even some of operating expenditures

1328
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:58,890
if and when necessary. If you're like in this real quick, I don't want to really

1329
01:48:58,890 --> 01:49:03,450
know please I just do want to keep going. We can come back to that.

1330
01:49:06,100 --> 01:49:07,780
That's kind of so just

1331
01:49:07,780 --> 01:49:12,780
looking at those five things saying, okay, if those are water basically water-rate-based

1332
01:49:14,140 --> 01:49:20,820
revenue of a funded things, it's you're just doing a whole. Once again, I think in

1333
01:49:20,820 --> 01:49:22,760
terms of dollars.

1334
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:29,100
So, you know, first of all, is that true? And then if so, is there, you know,

1335
01:49:29,220 --> 01:49:33,260
I think last year I mentioned about the NISB, actually maybe being considering moving that,

1336
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:44,520
I'm looking for things that help keep our water rate pure and if it's truly a water action

1337
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:50,160
plan thing, try and push that to that side because that side seems to be a little more

1338
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:51,780
flush with funds.

1339
01:49:52,300 --> 01:49:58,300
The versus this, if we're having to come up with 5 million for capital improvement from

1340
01:49:58,300 --> 01:50:04,340
water rate that doesn't get it's a lot of room for personnel and paying for the water

1341
01:50:04,340 --> 01:50:13,480
with treat water. So I agree with how you said it. We are, this is one of the reasons we made

1342
01:50:13,480 --> 01:50:21,840
such a long presentation on September 25th was to go over that point. We just deal for a second,

1343
01:50:21,980 --> 01:50:28,280
take a step back and deal with vocabulary. We make the internally for us as a town. We make

1344
01:50:28,280 --> 01:50:35,220
the artificial distinction between water action plan revenues, but they're all water

1345
01:50:35,220 --> 01:50:43,160
fund revenues. It's all one water fund because of the board's direction. We take the

1346
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:50,300
extra step to make sure that things like debt service on the the water treatment

1347
01:50:50,300 --> 01:50:55,220
plant, debt service on that pump station, debt service on the Aluvia Wellfield,

1348
01:50:55,220 --> 01:50:57,660
that service on the injection well,

1349
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:02,600
those kinds of things are not a component of water rates, right?

1350
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,180
And so we're all, everyone's clear on that.

1351
01:51:05,820 --> 01:51:09,340
So we kind of artificially make a distinction

1352
01:51:09,340 --> 01:51:11,620
between water action plan revenues,

1353
01:51:12,180 --> 01:51:14,980
and so-called water fund revenues or water rate revenues.

1354
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:16,500
It's all water fund revenues,

1355
01:51:16,740 --> 01:51:18,800
but we go the extra step of making a distinction.

1356
01:51:19,060 --> 01:51:21,100
And I'm glad you, I'm really glad you pointed that out.

1357
01:51:21,100 --> 01:51:33,360
Do you remember the, one of the, a couple of the charts that Jessica and Julie pointed out on the 25th was net revenue in the water fund?

1358
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:39,380
And they, they show they demonstrated how tight that is, how tight that spread is.

1359
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:43,100
And I think it's exactly the point you're making.

1360
01:51:43,580 --> 01:51:50,320
By the time we paste a half and by the time we maintain our system and by the time we pay for O&M and managed,

1361
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:59,000
And we manage a water system, it's very tight, and in fact it is relying on water action

1362
01:51:59,000 --> 01:52:05,340
plan, revenues, to subsidize the overall operation of our water system.

1363
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:11,900
So we agree with you, the larger point you're making, and just to cherry pick one thing

1364
01:52:11,900 --> 01:52:16,260
you said, because it came up, remember we had a fair amount of discussion about it during

1365
01:52:16,260 --> 01:52:25,680
water rate study. The NISP component has been in the towns, water rates, Julie helped me. I guess

1366
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:28,000
really back to the inception of NISP, right?

1367
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:34,310
Okay, 07. So NISP has been a part of the towns

1368
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:43,870
water rate structure since 07. The board could absolutely take that out. I mean, we didn't

1369
01:52:43,870 --> 01:52:52,110
in 23 when we went through a water raid exercise and the board left it in there.

1370
01:52:52,290 --> 01:52:57,230
The board could absolutely take it out and does that give some breathing room?

1371
01:52:57,530 --> 01:53:02,730
Does that provide a little space for operation or for maintenance of our water system?

1372
01:53:03,470 --> 01:53:05,990
Yes, but we got to make up that 1.3 million somewhere.

1373
01:53:06,210 --> 01:53:09,230
So either way is going to come from our water fund fund balance.

1374
01:53:10,670 --> 01:53:16,630
I guess that's, so I was looking, you know, that seemed to be the one of the five things

1375
01:53:16,630 --> 01:53:21,530
that's listed there that would possibly be the one that, you know, looking for just

1376
01:53:21,530 --> 01:53:30,170
any opportunity to help produce the expense on the water rate side, to help that, you know,

1377
01:53:30,190 --> 01:53:36,770
the other thing that, you know, kind of stands out as that is the meter vaults, that's like

1378
01:53:36,770 --> 01:53:42,710
points of a million. I don't know, you know, in terms of, you know, not the technical side

1379
01:53:42,710 --> 01:53:48,870
of it, but, I mean, spreading that over multiple years or something to help emitarize

1380
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:54,830
that cost or multiple years is, you know, because that's another huge driver and that, you

1381
01:53:54,830 --> 01:53:59,270
know, and we're trying to be, you know, in part of this being honest with the residents and

1382
01:53:59,270 --> 01:54:05,250
transparent. It's like if we have 5 million percent capital improvement that's basically

1383
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:12,250
tied to the water rate, we're still even at the, you know, and I'm not trying to get

1384
01:54:12,250 --> 01:54:18,750
a bit, but even if the 13% increase, we're still not meeting the expenses that are being

1385
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:24,650
generated on the water rate side. And so, I just wanted to kind of go through that exercise

1386
01:54:24,650 --> 01:54:26,230
to see if that's true.

1387
01:54:26,230 --> 01:54:32,050
Trusty, welcome. I'm really glad you said that because you're exactly right. That may be you shouldn't hate the presentation

1388
01:54:32,490 --> 01:54:38,850
No, I don't accept it because you did it. You did it in two and a half minutes. What do you and Jessica took away too long to do?

1389
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:45,710
No, but that's right. Yeah, that's how I mean, that's the point I'd like to make and the point I'd like for people to walk away with is

1390
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:48,270
how it narrowly

1391
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:50,190
we are operating

1392
01:54:50,190 --> 01:54:56,770
the water fund generally, our water system is specifically, and frankly, how dependent

1393
01:54:57,430 --> 01:55:04,170
our water fund is on water action plan, or water action plan, revenues that wouldn't

1394
01:55:04,170 --> 01:55:09,250
be there if we hadn't built the water treatment plant, and we hadn't diversified our

1395
01:55:09,250 --> 01:55:09,810
water portfolio.

1396
01:55:09,950 --> 01:55:12,010
I know I went a little farther, I think, do you want to do it?

1397
01:55:12,090 --> 01:55:17,210
I absolutely agree with your, I think the central point that you're making.

1398
01:55:17,870 --> 01:55:23,410
So I guess I'm not necessarily want to resolve that this evening, but I just noticed that was

1399
01:55:23,410 --> 01:55:27,330
That was just one of those things I noticed and then I started digging in here. I was like, oh, that's

1400
01:55:27,330 --> 01:55:33,110
Ouch, you know, that really does hurt. So that was that's related to the water things

1401
01:55:33,110 --> 01:55:38,410
So I don't you know board you guys just you just info so we I think trusty men

1402
01:55:38,410 --> 01:55:40,370
How many of us wanted to come in and you could go in?

1403
01:55:40,910 --> 01:55:46,530
Yeah, I just wanted to add to what you said because you woke them in our town manager said

1404
01:55:47,210 --> 01:55:56,710
I think that you have pointed out very eloquently that the actions that are being taken as part

1405
01:55:56,710 --> 01:56:02,710
of the water action plan that the board set place of the staff is executing is absolutely

1406
01:56:02,710 --> 01:56:06,570
benefiting the residents in form of having lower rates.

1407
01:56:07,130 --> 01:56:15,010
I don't think any clear right now that that action plan is subsidizing rates to your other

1408
01:56:15,010 --> 01:56:22,250
point how can we reduce some of the stress on that. I have said this before, and I think this board really needs to complement,

1409
01:56:23,330 --> 01:56:30,050
contemplate this. This year is our participation in this. We are putting in a lot of money into that.

1410
01:56:30,710 --> 01:56:35,670
And I'm not seeing the benefit, and I get that we have already put in a lot of money.

1411
01:56:35,930 --> 01:56:41,470
And if the board were to say, okay, we're out, you know, we've potentially lost some money.

1412
01:56:41,470 --> 01:56:53,150
But I think the board needs to consider when, do we stop chasing bad money and, to your point, trust your hook on my think, we should probably talk about that this year.

1413
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:58,550
Yeah, because if you look, if you look at that same sheet of 2026, the estimate is 3.7 million.

1414
01:56:58,970 --> 01:56:59,610
So it goes up.

1415
01:56:59,850 --> 01:57:00,150
Two million.

1416
01:57:00,650 --> 01:57:06,470
So, you know, I think I've been consistent in saying,

1417
01:57:07,130 --> 01:57:28,970
Peel this back, get, let's charge our residents as much, just what is essential to provide the municipal water and then everything else sticking out in the water action plan and figure out ways of making that work, so that that was just my only kind of observation in the water rate, so if anybody else can.

1418
01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:37,150
I will say going to trust me for 10 minutes is point that.

1419
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:46,350
We talked a lot about this at the board retreat, kind of with hand-wringing.

1420
01:57:48,530 --> 01:57:52,190
Because we've been paying, you know, it's getting more expensive,

1421
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:59,470
but let's just say in terms of relative experience modest sums to be a part of the club.

1422
01:58:01,290 --> 01:58:09,490
with all of the inevitable delays that go on in years, decades, I don't know, but lots of time.

1423
01:58:10,750 --> 01:58:17,970
And that has been seen historically as a primary source to provide us the water that we need.

1424
01:58:18,290 --> 01:58:29,310
Now with our water action plan, maybe not so much as we project our potentially the water that might be available for us to purchase outside of this.

1425
01:58:29,310 --> 01:58:44,090
I think we saw it even clearly, like to the point, like our projected needs for water can very realistically potentially be met outside of the niss system altogether.

1426
01:58:44,450 --> 01:58:54,630
And so it came down to, well, why we paying for an est. And it came down to, there wasn't a clear conviction to shut it off right now.

1427
01:58:54,630 --> 01:59:03,370
Um, because the sums are still generally not, uh, not traumatic, painful, but, um,

1428
01:59:03,730 --> 01:59:10,910
going to, um, um, um, uh, trusty, uh, may pretend, um, reminiscent of point that I do

1429
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:16,310
think it's a conversation that we want to have sooner because, um, I was thinking that somehow

1430
01:59:16,310 --> 01:59:19,290
this year or like, is when we saw a significant boost.

1431
01:59:19,290 --> 01:59:27,930
Now, I think there's also an element of realism from the folks at NIST, but they can't

1432
01:59:27,930 --> 01:59:39,090
be ramping up that fee schedule, that club dues, even though it was projected to go substantially

1433
01:59:39,090 --> 01:59:39,710
up.

1434
01:59:39,710 --> 01:59:47,070
There's probably more hesitation to do that to keep municipalities like firestorm from bailing.

1435
01:59:47,070 --> 01:59:53,130
Um, and so I don't have a lot of clarity on how long we can expect that to be tamped down.

1436
01:59:53,770 --> 01:59:58,130
Um, but yeah, now we're, you know, now we're talking a million bucks, a couple million bucks.

1437
01:59:58,450 --> 01:59:59,970
Like at what point do we say?

1438
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,300
Let's see very clearly, you know, put a fine point on it. Can we obtain the water that we need as we look

1439
02:00:07,300 --> 02:00:15,880
on long term to growth elsewhere, cheaper, and decide as the board, whether to, you know, to leave

1440
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:16,480
the club?

1441
02:00:20,220 --> 02:00:26,420
If I, if I may, I think that and feel forgive, maybe a bad pun. We're, we may be

1442
02:00:27,980 --> 02:00:33,600
switching midstream here. I mean we may be moving away from this. I always try and

1443
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:38,420
think of it this way. I mean a lot of times you'll hear in an energy policy debate

1444
02:00:38,420 --> 02:00:42,480
you'll hear well we've got to be renewables or we can fossil fuels or fine or

1445
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:46,700
they're this or that. And then eventually something that's always made sense to me is

1446
02:00:46,700 --> 02:00:51,100
you'll hear someone say, look let's just adopt an all the above energy strategy and

1447
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:58,120
figure out how we can, if different energy sources can scale up and if they can meet the demand

1448
02:00:58,120 --> 02:01:02,920
and if they can do it in a way that's economical, et cetera.

1449
02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:09,320
I think you can kind of apply that same mindset to where we are right now with our water.

1450
02:01:09,780 --> 02:01:15,720
For years, I mean, going back to at least 2007, I'm sure if we could go back to every board

1451
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:23,740
from 2007 through, you know, I mean, in 2018-19, every single board would have said,

1452
02:01:24,540 --> 02:01:31,980
we're just holding on to Nesp, we're planning for Nesp, and that's going to solve our

1453
02:01:31,980 --> 02:01:32,680
water issues.

1454
02:01:33,020 --> 02:01:38,000
As an aside, I don't think it would have, I don't think it ever would have, and what we

1455
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:42,800
see now is it's been so delayed and it's becoming so expensive that I think it is forcing

1456
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:49,680
the kinds of conversations or analysis that Trustee Hort, Dirty, you're talking about, that

1457
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:52,860
we have a pro-temp of men as you're talking about, Trustee Hort, you're talking about,

1458
02:01:53,120 --> 02:01:55,580
I totally agree we need to do it.

1459
02:01:55,820 --> 02:02:01,900
I think it's going to be an in-depth and kind of a difficult conversation because we have

1460
02:02:01,900 --> 02:02:04,040
like five and change million into it.

1461
02:02:04,260 --> 02:02:09,120
And Trustee Hort is your point, I may not say it exactly, but at some point it's time to stop

1462
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:12,920
throw in, you know, bad money or good money after bad or however that expression goes,

1463
02:02:13,240 --> 02:02:19,500
I agree. There's potentially a time and I think we're approaching the point at which

1464
02:02:19,500 --> 02:02:25,940
the board needs to make it, needs to make a policy, just an long-term policy decision.

1465
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:30,940
But that requires resources that are beyond us, I think, because I think they're all kinds

1466
02:02:30,940 --> 02:02:37,000
of far-reaching ramifications to just, forgive the expression, turn in the spigot off and

1467
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:41,540
saying we're not going to be a part of this. We've been planning for forever, but I do agree with

1468
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:50,880
one of the things you said. Our water team, our water brokers, have helped us. That's why it's so

1469
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:56,980
invaluable. They have helped us develop a plan. There isn't this dependent. It isn't this

1470
02:02:56,980 --> 02:03:02,860
centric. And it's going to give us options. Right now I think we're at that all the above stage

1471
02:03:02,860 --> 02:03:06,780
trying to figure out where we can scale up and where we can economically immune our demand.

1472
02:03:14,140 --> 02:03:29,400
Alright, so I'm done with the water part of it, I also looked at, you know, and don't roll your eyes, I'll look at the fear of stuff, so I just, which one that?

1473
02:03:29,820 --> 02:03:35,200
So let's see here. I just kind of just go to the first one and see the southern.

1474
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:42,200
So I just did some math and so, so I told revenue, if you looked at the budgeted revenue,

1475
02:03:42,300 --> 02:03:50,120
it comes out to like about 10.8, personnel is actually three, almost three million dollars.

1476
02:03:50,540 --> 02:03:52,840
So just pretty, this is essential portion of that.

1477
02:03:53,560 --> 02:03:58,440
So I'm not going to quantify what that means, but just those numbers, that's what the

1478
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:05,100
many people. So that's basically taking about four and just summing them together.

1479
02:04:05,100 --> 02:04:12,040
Okay, okay. So I was trying to, so I was trying to, you know, because of my interest

1480
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:19,900
in the furious, I was trying to see what, so I looked at the capital improvement page, the

1481
02:04:19,900 --> 02:04:28,060
general one there. And I see one project, so if you look at the very right column, it talks

1482
02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:35,820
where the funding comes from, and in that case it just talks about the road 20, sorry I got

1483
02:04:35,820 --> 02:04:38,840
for my glasses on, can't tell if it's 20 or 26.

1484
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:44,020
So it shows that as being one of the

1485
02:04:44,020 --> 02:04:52,080
funded projects. On the Capital Improvement Program summary page, in fear, no, it's under

1486
02:04:52,080 --> 02:05:01,720
a couple of improvement tabs, a couple of projects on the townwide, so that's the only one that's

1487
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:08,720
funded with furer of funds, is that as out of this list, it's not the only one funded out

1488
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:09,320
of this list.

1489
02:05:09,620 --> 02:05:16,280
Out of that list, but there's also 1.8 million that's being funded from the Northern, the

1490
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:17,800
I don't remember any other one.

1491
02:05:18,180 --> 02:05:19,500
And it's the i25.

1492
02:05:19,940 --> 02:05:20,520
Interchange.

1493
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:22,200
Okay, so there's those two.

1494
02:05:22,340 --> 02:05:22,940
So that makes.

1495
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:23,940
And then.

1496
02:05:24,020 --> 02:05:24,460
Okay, please.

1497
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:27,460
There's also the ADA ramp project.

1498
02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:28,580
And that was.

1499
02:05:28,580 --> 02:05:29,460
That was from Southern.

1500
02:05:29,880 --> 02:05:30,980
That's on there too.

1501
02:05:31,380 --> 02:05:31,760
Did that.

1502
02:05:31,820 --> 02:05:33,540
Did that not get.

1503
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:34,620
The ADA.

1504
02:05:35,160 --> 02:05:35,700
Yeah.

1505
02:05:35,740 --> 02:05:36,240
That's on the.

1506
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,340
It's on the townwide one.

1507
02:05:38,380 --> 02:05:40,860
It's the $25,000 match from Southern.

1508
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:42,000
It's grants.

1509
02:05:42,540 --> 02:05:43,100
Townwide.

1510
02:05:44,140 --> 02:05:44,640
And.

1511
02:05:44,820 --> 02:05:45,100
Okay.

1512
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:51,520
So it shown that it's not showing any amount that was budget so that was why I didn't include that one

1513
02:05:51,520 --> 02:06:00,200
So you might want to that might be 2024 and some carryover funds over carryover from 2024. It doesn't show that either

1514
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:05,140
So I don't know if it's just a oversight or played it for in 2024

1515
02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:11,100
So that's why there's nothing to do with that. So we've got the we've got the ditch crossing we've got the

1516
02:06:11,100 --> 02:06:17,580
price and exchange, so between those two is about 2.8 million in capital improvement projects.

1517
02:06:18,460 --> 02:06:28,220
Then, so the other thing that I noticed is the purchase services, so what in the

1518
02:06:28,220 --> 02:06:42,320
Fira is there's, what does that include, is there's the 2.7 in the, it is the, it is

1519
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:52,840
for whatever reason, the town, and everything, but big horn was adopted before the significant

1520
02:06:53,580 --> 02:06:57,780
amendments to urban renewal, the changes to urban renewal that the legislature made.

1521
02:06:57,980 --> 02:07:04,540
I think in fourth-teen, well, quite exactly, but I think around the 2014 or so timeframe,

1522
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:11,700
the purchase is the shareback, is because when the town formed, the urban renewal plan areas,

1523
02:07:11,700 --> 02:07:21,600
They didn't keep the increment so that's that mouth is diverted to the different districts right so we just passed

1524
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:22,660
That's the pastor

1525
02:07:23,460 --> 02:07:32,120
Okay, okay. Oh, so we consider so also so 10th seven of the 10 million in revenue is actually just is not really a tribute

1526
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:35,700
Yeah, I mean this is not a not exactly but

1527
02:07:35,700 --> 02:07:41,700
But you might recall, it wasn't this iteration of the board.

1528
02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:47,800
It was a couple boards ago made the decision to actually include the towns increment

1529
02:07:48,280 --> 02:07:52,720
to be captured within the various of other various fewer plans.

1530
02:07:53,240 --> 02:08:03,140
And once we did that, that put us at around 40 cents on the tax increment dollar, if you

1531
02:08:03,140 --> 02:08:07,540
around 40% of the incremental revenues.

1532
02:08:09,240 --> 02:08:12,080
Okay, so that I think that kind of goes through,

1533
02:08:12,260 --> 02:08:16,420
you know, just kind of summarizes what I was 10, 20 million.

1534
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:21,560
It looks like about 2.8 of that between the two projects,

1535
02:08:22,440 --> 02:08:25,040
3.3 million is used for personnel,

1536
02:08:25,980 --> 02:08:30,780
and then the purchase services or the transfers

1537
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:38,740
are pretty substantial, so that would be about, let's see, 5.5 million would be transferred

1538
02:08:38,740 --> 02:08:47,120
to other entities, so I won't make any commentary on those numbers. I still still

1539
02:08:47,120 --> 02:08:50,560
thought that I thought you'd like to know when I wanted to see those numbers for myself,

1540
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,800
So that's what I did, so.

1541
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:54,960
Okay, is he made it?

1542
02:08:55,140 --> 02:08:56,220
That's another good point though,

1543
02:08:56,220 --> 02:08:57,540
five point five million testing.

1544
02:08:58,240 --> 02:08:59,780
That's a big chunk.

1545
02:09:00,700 --> 02:09:03,180
A huge chunk that would be nice to have.

1546
02:09:03,380 --> 02:09:03,880
That's a big chunk.

1547
02:09:04,300 --> 02:09:05,180
That hurts.

1548
02:09:05,780 --> 02:09:06,900
I mean, you're going to talk about it.

1549
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:08,560
And I'm not passing judgment.

1550
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:10,440
I don't know what the rationale was.

1551
02:09:10,720 --> 02:09:12,720
And I mean, easy to look in the rearview mirror

1552
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:14,220
and say, well, we should have done differently.

1553
02:09:14,920 --> 02:09:16,620
Then, for whatever the reasons were,

1554
02:09:16,660 --> 02:09:18,040
whatever the rationale was.

1555
02:09:18,120 --> 02:09:20,540
I mean, look, if you look at the southern plan area,

1556
02:09:20,540 --> 02:09:25,180
for whatever reason at the time, they didn't include a lot of the real property.

1557
02:09:26,900 --> 02:09:32,980
So it's hard to understand if you try and imagine or think back what the rationale was,

1558
02:09:33,540 --> 02:09:39,500
but why wouldn't you have included the real property that had the possibility of generating

1559
02:09:39,500 --> 02:09:44,600
incremental revenues? I don't know. I mean, and I wasn't obviously here and it's convenient

1560
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:49,140
in all those things. I don't know what the decision making was, and probably they had real

1561
02:09:49,140 --> 02:09:56,240
valid decision making and reasons to do it, but, yeah, I mean, we're essentially, our

1562
02:09:56,240 --> 02:09:58,940
fear is for the most part, a pass through agency.

1563
02:09:59,420 --> 02:10:05,300
I know the answer to that one, the Southern, because that was a imminent main thing.

1564
02:10:05,860 --> 02:10:09,720
You had basically established, you know, you think of that, that's basically old town.

1565
02:10:10,020 --> 02:10:15,900
You've got established properties, you know, those folks, probably, you know, in general,

1566
02:10:15,900 --> 02:10:22,620
do not, they're happy with their homes, they could be some small increment to them improving

1567
02:10:22,620 --> 02:10:23,240
their homes.

1568
02:10:23,820 --> 02:10:27,620
But in general, it wasn't probably scraped and rebuilt type situations.

1569
02:10:28,200 --> 02:10:30,460
So there wasn't going to be a large amount of money anyway.

1570
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:36,180
But by putting the public right away is things like that, that way money could be utilized

1571
02:10:36,180 --> 02:10:39,220
It's diverted to those areas to be improved.

1572
02:10:40,300 --> 02:10:46,060
So that was your idea, trust me, I'll come to come and kill you.

1573
02:10:47,730 --> 02:10:49,090
Not a big man I haven't been to go being.

1574
02:10:51,010 --> 02:10:51,570
Is that it, Matt?

1575
02:10:51,750 --> 02:10:52,430
Where did you have it?

1576
02:10:52,450 --> 02:10:53,150
I have a question.

1577
02:10:53,650 --> 02:10:54,050
Thank you.

1578
02:10:54,310 --> 02:10:57,470
Those fear of numbers, I'll remind you that next time we talk about fear of,

1579
02:10:59,700 --> 02:11:00,640
but...

1580
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:01,460
Trustee Hany?

1581
02:11:02,700 --> 02:11:03,520
New topic.

1582
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:10,320
I was wondering how our lodging tax compares to other towns around us, or cities,

1583
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:19,900
for competitive? I don't know, and our lodging is such an antiquated formula. It's $2 per room

1584
02:11:19,900 --> 02:11:26,280
per night. It's not a percentage of the room rate. I don't know. I mean, we could probably

1585
02:11:26,280 --> 02:11:31,820
find that out relatively easily, but as we've said right now, I don't know. I'm sure it's far less.

1586
02:11:32,820 --> 02:11:40,020
Yeah, just from what I could look up, I think Longmont was 3.53. I'm not even sure if that's correct,

1587
02:11:40,020 --> 02:11:44,880
But yeah, I think that would stand looking at to bring us up to

1588
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:46,360
what everybody else is charging.

1589
02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:50,140
Of course, we can't do that by board action.

1590
02:11:50,700 --> 02:11:54,620
That would be a table question, but sure.

1591
02:11:54,980 --> 02:11:56,200
That's something that's been talked about in the past.

1592
02:11:57,640 --> 02:11:59,660
Yeah, I just jump in.

1593
02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:02,820
I wholeheartedly agree that we should at some point add that to our to

1594
02:12:02,820 --> 02:12:06,080
do list as some who've traveled frequently for work.

1595
02:12:06,080 --> 02:12:12,260
can tell you those taxes are 8, 13, 15 percent. I don't know if we could get away with that

1596
02:12:12,260 --> 02:12:17,960
here, but I think we could certainly look at it and present some of our voters to consider.

1597
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:22,340
So I agree with you there. Well, if we call ourselves Las Vegas, we could George 24.

1598
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:22,920
Yeah.

1599
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:30,920
That emotion. But on the worst plan that just got approved.

1600
02:12:31,720 --> 02:12:35,640
You have put it on the word plan. There you go. Any other questions, comments?

1601
02:12:37,720 --> 02:12:38,300
Okay.

1602
02:12:41,480 --> 02:12:42,720
You guys can read this?

1603
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:43,400
This?

1604
02:12:43,580 --> 02:12:43,900
Just kidding.

1605
02:12:45,460 --> 02:12:45,600
Yeah.

1606
02:12:46,240 --> 02:12:47,300
All right. Thank you.

1607
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:49,460
All right.

1608
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:51,720
Moving on to second public comment.

1609
02:12:53,900 --> 02:12:54,960
Nobody's there to come.

1610
02:12:55,580 --> 02:12:55,820
Okay.

1611
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,660
Moving on to report staff.

1612
02:13:01,000 --> 02:13:03,780
The third quarter financials put beyond that.

1613
02:13:03,780 --> 02:13:04,780
We don't have anything.

1614
02:13:06,020 --> 02:13:06,380
All right.

1615
02:13:11,210 --> 02:13:11,770
Got that?

1616
02:13:11,770 --> 02:13:19,870
All right, down to Mayor's report, okay, she does have, he tried to get you out of it.

1617
02:13:19,950 --> 02:13:22,090
Right, he gets you out of it.

1618
02:13:22,090 --> 02:13:23,150
Very quick, Liz.

1619
02:13:24,590 --> 02:13:28,570
Good evening, Mayor Board of Trustees, Jessica Clinton, finance director.

1620
02:13:29,590 --> 02:13:33,910
Going to go over the third quarter financials in the same format that you guys have seen.

1621
02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:41,470
Maybe going on three years now and we've talked about the finances and how the town is doing

1622
02:13:41,470 --> 02:13:43,110
through the budget process as well.

1623
02:13:43,390 --> 02:13:45,450
So I won't make this too long.

1624
02:13:46,970 --> 02:13:48,190
Sales and use tax.

1625
02:13:48,250 --> 02:13:49,210
Here's our graph.

1626
02:13:49,650 --> 02:13:51,970
This is cash basis, not a curl.

1627
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:56,430
So we're looking at November 2023 through July 2024.

1628
02:13:56,930 --> 02:13:57,450
Numbers,

1629
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:00,400
some big spikes.

1630
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:03,380
This is dependent on our sales tax

1631
02:14:03,380 --> 02:14:06,780
as well as the use tax, which comes from permit numbers,

1632
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:09,080
how the housing unit is doing.

1633
02:14:09,220 --> 02:14:11,260
So this is more than just retail.

1634
02:14:12,700 --> 02:14:18,660
But 17% higher than where we were last year, and we've continued to grow every year.

1635
02:14:19,220 --> 02:14:27,660
So to be 17% above prior year, which has continued to be higher in higher each year is crazy to me.

1636
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:31,140
And then if we look at just sales tax,

1637
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:36,300
we look at just sales tax.

1638
02:14:36,300 --> 02:14:48,920
A lot of times the graphs look, the lines will look different, I was surprised that they have a very similar look different sales and use tax lines versus just the sales tax, a lot of times you can see a big difference.

1639
02:14:49,620 --> 02:14:56,480
For the third quarter we didn't see a much of a difference they look very similar, the big spike and then coming back down.

1640
02:14:57,300 --> 02:14:59,980
I did notice that motor vehicle sale.

1641
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,640
Further down a little bit, the tax we received from the motor vehicle, as well as we haven't received

1642
02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:14,520
the PIFF revenue for, we haven't received the PIFF revenue for September, which would actually

1643
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:20,220
be for August. So that's why these are a little bit low. Those come in pretty late, sometimes

1644
02:15:20,220 --> 02:15:26,860
a few months, behind more than a normal lag. So that's why this is looking kind of the way it is,

1645
02:15:26,860 --> 02:15:33,140
it's still showing 12 percent above prior year. Any questions on those numbers?

1646
02:15:36,900 --> 02:15:37,420
Okay, so we'll

1647
02:15:37,420 --> 02:15:45,520
move into the general fund revenue. We're showing seven months of revenue for the sales tax

1648
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:52,680
because of the two-month lag. The rest of the revenue that we see is usually about eight months

1649
02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:58,800
through the third quarter. So we would want revenue to be anywhere from 58 percent collection rate

1650
02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:06,820
to about 66% collection rate and as you can see for taxes, we're at 68% and other revenues

1651
02:16:06,820 --> 02:16:15,180
were at 71%. So third quarter, a lot of times you expect the 75% but because of the lag and revenues,

1652
02:16:16,120 --> 02:16:22,860
it's less than that. You can also see that we're above where we were at the same time last year in revenues.

1653
02:16:22,860 --> 02:16:25,580
So the general fund is looking healthy.

1654
02:16:26,660 --> 02:16:29,440
If we compare the revenue of the general fund

1655
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:34,080
to the expenditures, this is by department

1656
02:16:34,700 --> 02:16:38,560
and overall the spending rate is 66%.

1657
02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:41,860
This does show for the most part nine months of expenditures.

1658
02:16:42,440 --> 02:16:46,080
So we are below the spending rate expected for the year.

1659
02:16:46,360 --> 02:16:50,020
What I really like to see is that our expenses

1660
02:16:50,020 --> 02:16:57,820
through this third quarter are less than 5% higher than they were in 2023. I had to remember

1661
02:16:57,820 --> 02:17:03,860
what you were in. I've been looking at the budget. We all know how much costs have gone up,

1662
02:17:05,020 --> 02:17:11,240
personally, and through everything that the town does, so to see that expenses from last year to

1663
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:17,340
this year have only gone up four and a half percent shows you how diligent all of the employees for

1664
02:17:17,340 --> 02:17:23,200
town are and how fiscally aware that they are. We'll move into capital

1665
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:28,300
project fund unless there's questions on the general fund. Capital

1666
02:17:28,300 --> 02:17:33,400
project fund you have your two different types of sales taxes the 1% which is

1667
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:39,580
only sales tax and then the 0.6% which includes motor vehicle and sales that's

1668
02:17:39,580 --> 02:17:44,560
why those numbers show different collection rates. Again, you're doing very well

1669
02:17:44,560 --> 02:17:47,880
with the sales tax use tax and impact fee revenue

1670
02:17:47,880 --> 02:17:50,400
as well as cash and loo.

1671
02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:53,340
A lot of that is timing has to do with market.

1672
02:17:54,760 --> 02:17:57,300
I'll point out that the Intergovernmental Revenue

1673
02:17:57,300 --> 02:17:59,280
that $200,000 that we received

1674
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:00,360
is from the school district.

1675
02:18:00,540 --> 02:18:05,320
We have that assigned for, I think the Hawksignal,

1676
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:07,320
but it can be any type of,

1677
02:18:08,340 --> 02:18:10,500
I don't know that it was specific for the Hawksignal,

1678
02:18:11,140 --> 02:18:12,000
but that's our plan.

1679
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:14,240
Okay, so we have that in there

1680
02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:17,540
that will be under an assignment or a restriction.

1681
02:18:19,940 --> 02:18:22,140
Again, the revenue for capital projects is good.

1682
02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:24,840
The detail of the capital improvement expenditures

1683
02:18:24,840 --> 02:18:27,260
will be in the back, so you can see each project

1684
02:18:27,260 --> 02:18:32,940
that we've done there, any questions on that.

1685
02:18:36,630 --> 02:18:40,910
We'll look at the water fund, the water fund,

1686
02:18:41,010 --> 02:18:45,950
we have it split with our operating revenue at 74%.

1687
02:18:46,730 --> 02:18:55,150
That is one month behind in revenue, so that one is doing good right on how we had budgeted

1688
02:18:55,150 --> 02:19:00,750
and then if you compare that to our operating expenditures, again, we are doing well in that realm.

1689
02:19:01,790 --> 02:19:10,430
In these financials, the tap fee and what will be system development fee revenues are in that operating revenue number.

1690
02:19:10,430 --> 02:19:24,930
Starting in 2025, I'll split it out between tap fees and system development, and it won't just show up in the operating revenue, but I did want to point out that the tap fees are in that 7.8 million dollar number.

1691
02:19:25,390 --> 02:19:30,310
Still, water rate, water revenues are doing good, especially compared to the operating expenditures.

1692
02:19:30,310 --> 02:19:41,710
And we can see that revenue and expenditures are on pace with each other in the fund, both at a little less than 50% spending rates.

1693
02:19:45,050 --> 02:19:52,170
And then we have our stormwater fund, and that is right on pace again 75% through the third quarter,

1694
02:19:52,550 --> 02:19:58,100
where a little bit higher than our operating expenditures for that fund, still within every fund,

1695
02:19:58,100 --> 02:20:04,580
a way of how there's spending money, how a cost-effective they are, and saving where possible,

1696
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:09,160
and that can be seen in all of the funds and the overall finances of the town.

1697
02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:14,560
And then there's just the capital improvement projects listed out. I won't go over those there

1698
02:20:17,320 --> 02:20:23,320
in the presentation and you guys can have those. If there's any questions, I'm happy to talk about them,

1699
02:20:23,320 --> 02:20:26,080
But that's all I have.

1700
02:20:27,260 --> 02:20:27,720
Any questions?

1701
02:20:30,090 --> 02:20:30,710
Thank you.

1702
02:20:36,400 --> 02:20:38,640
Oh, it looks like I like those reports.

1703
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:40,300
We're supposed to be.

1704
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:41,180
So I'm happy.

1705
02:20:43,600 --> 02:20:44,020
All right.

1706
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:46,600
Mayor's report real quick.

1707
02:20:46,840 --> 02:20:53,320
Yesterday, I attended the Weld County State of the County meeting.

1708
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:54,960
That aims community college.

1709
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:58,480
and Welc County is doing well.

1710
02:20:58,660 --> 02:20:59,900
They've done a lot of stuff.

1711
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:04,340
They're, I believe, there are recordings of the meeting

1712
02:21:04,340 --> 02:21:07,780
and recordings of the speech

1713
02:21:07,780 --> 02:21:11,840
that was given by Chair Commissioner Kevin Ross.

1714
02:21:13,060 --> 02:21:18,620
One of the things that struck me interesting and curious

1715
02:21:18,620 --> 02:21:20,980
because I've come kind of wonder now how they come up

1716
02:21:20,980 --> 02:21:21,840
with the number.

1717
02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:23,220
I'm sure they have a way.

1718
02:21:23,220 --> 02:21:30,820
But they now are a designated county in the fact that they have exceeded one billion dollars

1719
02:21:30,820 --> 02:21:35,000
that they have not taxed people, which is good.

1720
02:21:35,940 --> 02:21:39,240
I just don't understand how they come up with that number.

1721
02:21:40,180 --> 02:21:46,440
But hey, I guess they could have taxed you that amount of money, but they didn't.

1722
02:21:46,440 --> 02:21:49,440
So that was one of their big points.

1723
02:21:52,320 --> 02:21:54,860
Let's see, if you look in front of you,

1724
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:57,240
you have an emergency preparedness guide.

1725
02:21:58,100 --> 02:22:00,780
I brought those from that meeting yesterday.

1726
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:07,780
And on October 31st, there is emergency exercise happening

1727
02:22:07,780 --> 02:22:17,840
with the come valley of emergency preparedness section that's Mary Garner.

1728
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:24,820
If you can possibly be there, I think it would be a great thing for everybody to see,

1729
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:34,580
especially what our role would be in a major emergency situation where it could be widespread,

1730
02:22:34,580 --> 02:22:42,380
It could be regional and what our roles as policy makers would be within that role.

1731
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,540
And trust me, we will have a role.

1732
02:22:46,280 --> 02:22:47,800
What's that in your house?

1733
02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:48,540
What's that?

1734
02:22:48,540 --> 02:22:49,720
I'm running a year out.

1735
02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:51,400
Okay.

1736
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:52,780
But yeah.

1737
02:22:53,540 --> 02:22:56,160
So that would be something I highly recommend.

1738
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:59,580
That's all I have for now.

1739
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:01,960
Any trustee reports?

1740
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:10,120
Trust you, Hoka, one last thing, and it's kind of a general thing.

1741
02:23:11,960 --> 02:23:20,680
So for those that weren't around for the 2024 budget, if staff, we warned us that they

1742
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:26,160
thought it would be kind of a lean year, so we kind of went in, lean in terms of expenditures

1743
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:27,720
and revenues and so forth.

1744
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:38,200
So when we picked it up this year, to me there was some confusion about whether, so when

1745
02:23:38,200 --> 02:23:43,020
you look at the budgeting for 2025, you know, you've got your actuals and you've got the

1746
02:23:43,020 --> 02:23:44,620
2024 budget at numbers.

1747
02:23:45,260 --> 02:23:49,320
And we kind of balanced, I don't know if you guys noticed, I kind of noticed when I mentioned

1748
02:23:49,320 --> 02:23:54,300
it one time, we were kind of balancing it back and forth between those, you know, both numbers

1749
02:23:54,300 --> 02:24:01,160
were listed there for our information, but depending on how, you know, sometimes the increase

1750
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:06,580
was a lot because we were born from the actuals. Sometimes it was marginal because we were

1751
02:24:06,580 --> 02:24:13,980
going from the budget, because there was substantial difference between the two. Just consistency,

1752
02:24:13,980 --> 02:24:22,460
I guess, and the going for maybe next year in terms of, you know, it's always, I guess, the fiscal

1753
02:24:23,360 --> 02:24:28,100
conservative part of me says, hey, if you, if you, if you can, if you can set your

1754
02:24:28,100 --> 02:24:33,060
actuals down here, let that become your new baseline. And then grow from there,

1755
02:24:33,220 --> 02:24:39,440
not, not from what it should have, what you thought it would be a year ago. So that, you know,

1756
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:45,800
we got nine months to think about that. But I just wanted those things, I think, sometimes like,

1757
02:24:45,800 --> 02:24:50,460
hey, staff was able to trim some costs. Okay, let's see if we can live with that and grow from

1758
02:24:50,460 --> 02:24:57,540
versus going from where we thought we were going to be a year ago. So just just just one of those things. I know this so

1759
02:24:59,100 --> 02:25:00,220
Thank you

1760
02:25:00,220 --> 02:25:00,860
Any others

1761
02:25:02,710 --> 02:25:11,530
All right, we're looking for motion to adjourn. Motion adjourn. All those in favor. Aye. All those opposed

1762
02:25:12,170 --> 02:25:13,250
We're adjourn