1 00:00:24,000 --> 00:01:50,159 2 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:51,552 I just. 3 00:01:51,552 --> 00:01:52,441 Yeah. 4 00:01:52,441 --> 00:01:54,211 Good evening, everyone. 5 00:01:54,211 --> 00:01:56,904 Today is Thursday July 16th, 2026. 6 00:01:56,904 --> 00:01:59,791 And the time is 601. 7 00:01:59,791 --> 00:02:01,591 I will call to order this regular planning 8 00:02:01,591 --> 00:02:04,511 and zoning commission meeting of the town of Firestone Roll 9 00:02:04,511 --> 00:02:05,011 call, please. 10 00:02:05,011 --> 00:02:13,201 Missy Vice Chair Haney here. 11 00:02:13,201 --> 00:02:16,466 Commissioner Ray chairperson. 12 00:02:16,466 --> 00:02:23,161 When it commissioner Sutton here Commissioner Hoskins here. 13 00:02:23,161 --> 00:02:24,181 Commissioner Young. 14 00:02:24,181 --> 00:02:27,481 Here you have a quorum Great. 15 00:02:27,481 --> 00:02:28,831 If you'd all please stand and join me 16 00:02:28,831 --> 00:02:34,321 in the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance 17 00:02:34,321 --> 00:02:37,291 to the flag of the United States of America 18 00:02:37,291 --> 00:02:39,721 and to the Republic for which it stands. 19 00:02:39,721 --> 00:02:41,701 One nation under God. 20 00:02:41,701 --> 00:02:49,981 Indivisible, with liberty and justice for all Thank you. 21 00:02:49,981 --> 00:02:53,041 So next up we have the approval of the agenda. 22 00:02:53,041 --> 00:02:55,321 Are there any before we do that, any amendments 23 00:02:55,321 --> 00:03:01,677 and anyone needs to make to the agenda this evening No OK. 24 00:03:01,677 --> 00:03:05,581 So I'd like to call for a motion to approve the agenda I'll make 25 00:03:05,581 --> 00:03:08,431 a motion to approve the agenda. 26 00:03:08,431 --> 00:03:09,571 Second. 27 00:03:09,571 --> 00:03:10,711 First by Commissioner Young. 28 00:03:10,711 --> 00:03:14,094 Second by Commissioner Hoskins All those in favor say aye. 29 00:03:14,094 --> 00:03:15,511 Aye Hi. 30 00:03:15,511 --> 00:03:21,001 Any opposed motion carries Next item is the approval 31 00:03:21,001 --> 00:03:24,040 of the minutes for the meeting. 32 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,354 Minutes from March 5th 2026, to have a motion 33 00:03:27,354 --> 00:03:28,492 to approve the minutes. 34 00:03:28,492 --> 00:03:31,471 I so moved to approve those minutes of March 26. 35 00:03:31,471 --> 00:03:33,661 Second first by Commissioner Haney, 36 00:03:33,661 --> 00:03:36,413 second by Commissioner Hoskins All those in favor say aye. 37 00:03:36,413 --> 00:03:36,913 Aye. 38 00:03:36,913 --> 00:03:37,413 All right. 39 00:03:37,413 --> 00:03:41,641 I opposed motion carries All right. 40 00:03:41,641 --> 00:03:44,491 Next up, we have our public comment 41 00:03:44,491 --> 00:03:46,681 So the planning commission welcomes public comment 42 00:03:46,681 --> 00:03:50,791 from anyone that is in attendance This public comment 43 00:03:50,791 --> 00:03:54,001 is for items that are not part of the public hearing tonight, 44 00:03:54,001 --> 00:03:56,758 but any other item that's on the agenda 45 00:03:56,758 --> 00:03:58,591 Do we have anyone that has signed up for public comment 46 00:03:58,591 --> 00:04:00,002 missing Okay. 47 00:04:00,002 --> 00:04:02,161 We don't have anyone that signed it for public comment. 48 00:04:02,161 --> 00:04:03,751 Is anyone here wishing to speak to any 49 00:04:03,751 --> 00:04:05,011 public comment that did not stand up 50 00:04:05,011 --> 00:04:08,981 for this First public comment ? 51 00:04:08,981 --> 00:04:14,176 Okay. then I will close that public comment portion. 52 00:04:14,176 --> 00:04:14,676 All right. 53 00:04:14,676 --> 00:04:17,220 Moving on to agenda, item number six, 54 00:04:17,220 --> 00:04:22,951 public hearing So the purpose of this hearing is for the Planning 55 00:04:22,951 --> 00:04:24,451 commission to receive information, 56 00:04:24,451 --> 00:04:27,691 documents and testimony in order to make findings and reach 57 00:04:27,691 --> 00:04:31,851 a decision regarding public hearing resolution number 26, 58 00:04:31,851 --> 00:04:35,251 DoorDash zero two, a resolution of the Planning and Zoning 59 00:04:35,251 --> 00:04:37,381 Commission of the town of Firestone, Colorado, 60 00:04:37,381 --> 00:04:40,381 recommending approval of the Barefoot Lakes filing five 61 00:04:40,381 --> 00:04:44,401 Second Amendment preliminary plat At this time, 62 00:04:44,401 --> 00:04:46,831 I'll open the public hearing for PC resolution 63 00:04:46,831 --> 00:04:50,071 20 6-02 and the time is now. 64 00:04:50,071 --> 00:04:55,111 604 Town staff will and they will make a presentation 65 00:04:55,111 --> 00:04:58,981 and then the commission will hear public comment. 66 00:04:58,981 --> 00:05:02,321 The town staff turn to you Great. 67 00:05:02,321 --> 00:05:02,821 Thank you. 68 00:05:02,821 --> 00:05:04,861 Can you all hear me okay Yes. 69 00:05:04,861 --> 00:05:05,371 Perfect. 70 00:05:05,371 --> 00:05:07,321 So what ? 71 00:05:07,321 --> 00:05:09,271 Good evening, commissioners. 72 00:05:09,271 --> 00:05:11,251 For the record, I'm on a for reserve planner, 73 00:05:11,251 --> 00:05:15,031 one representing staff tonight The agenda item before you is 74 00:05:15,031 --> 00:05:18,774 a preliminary plat for Barefoot Lakes filing Five Second 75 00:05:18,774 --> 00:05:21,511 Amendment terracing a design as the applicant 76 00:05:21,511 --> 00:05:23,165 for the Barefoot Lakes. 77 00:05:23,165 --> 00:05:25,651 Finally, five Second Amendment summary plat. 78 00:05:25,651 --> 00:05:32,941 And they're represented tonight by Jeff Mark this on the screen 79 00:05:32,941 --> 00:05:35,791 as an aerial showing the location of the Barefoot Lakes 80 00:05:35,791 --> 00:05:39,569 filing five Second Amendment preliminary plat located just 81 00:05:39,569 --> 00:05:41,911 along the southern edge of sanctuary 82 00:05:41,911 --> 00:05:49,351 Avenue between cove Street and Bend Street or Bend Court 83 00:05:49,351 --> 00:05:51,901 This slide shows an outline of the development 84 00:05:51,901 --> 00:05:55,111 procedures for the town there, highlighted up there in green 85 00:05:55,111 --> 00:05:58,381 is the preliminary plat process the applicant is currently going 86 00:05:58,381 --> 00:06:00,721 through with the town and the planning 87 00:06:00,721 --> 00:06:02,911 and Zoning Commission and Board of Trustees 88 00:06:02,911 --> 00:06:04,651 to approve these applications. 89 00:06:04,651 --> 00:06:07,291 Application It will then move on to the final plat 90 00:06:07,291 --> 00:06:14,761 for the property So this is the approved zoning map for 91 00:06:14,761 --> 00:06:16,741 the Barefoot Lakes filing five. 92 00:06:16,741 --> 00:06:19,831 The subject property is zoned Puti and C 93 00:06:19,831 --> 00:06:22,831 for neighborhood center rC for regional commercial. 94 00:06:22,831 --> 00:06:26,431 Are a residential a, r, B residential, B and R 95 00:06:26,431 --> 00:06:30,751 residential The land is generally vacant with oil 96 00:06:30,751 --> 00:06:34,621 and gas facilities Some activity that had been there previously 97 00:06:34,621 --> 00:06:37,741 and is now wrapped up the property 98 00:06:37,741 --> 00:06:39,391 to the northeast and west. 99 00:06:39,391 --> 00:06:42,271 Have the same underlying zoning granted by the Puti 100 00:06:42,271 --> 00:06:45,061 and have experienced development of mostly single family 101 00:06:45,061 --> 00:06:48,121 detached homes while the property to the south 102 00:06:48,121 --> 00:06:51,811 is zoned open space to protect that natural drainage 103 00:06:51,811 --> 00:06:55,081 way that it's kind of along that southern border 104 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:56,461 and across that drainage way. 105 00:06:56,461 --> 00:06:59,081 The land is zoned to be a mixture of the residential uses 106 00:06:59,081 --> 00:06:59,581 from that. 107 00:06:59,581 --> 00:07:09,631 But All right, the site area is 6.118 acres 108 00:07:09,631 --> 00:07:11,161 and is currently vacant land. 109 00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:13,891 As I said, the proposed preliminary plat 110 00:07:13,891 --> 00:07:15,991 includes 11 single family detached 111 00:07:15,991 --> 00:07:17,761 lots and a proposed trail connection 112 00:07:17,761 --> 00:07:19,741 to the nearby trail system. 113 00:07:19,741 --> 00:07:21,901 The gross density of the proposed subdivision 114 00:07:21,901 --> 00:07:24,698 is 5.12 dwelling units per acre. 115 00:07:24,698 --> 00:07:25,831 Accordance with the brief at Lakes 116 00:07:25,831 --> 00:07:31,891 p p, d, and it also the Puti allows for a total of 5131 117 00:07:31,891 --> 00:07:36,035 dwelling units, approximately 1170 have been built. 118 00:07:36,035 --> 00:07:39,331 So far So the 11 proposed with this plat 119 00:07:39,331 --> 00:07:42,871 are well within the allowed number of dwelling units here. 120 00:07:42,871 --> 00:07:52,621 The lot sizes range from 7618ft² to 8972ft². 121 00:07:52,621 --> 00:07:54,481 The firestone Development Code requires 122 00:07:54,481 --> 00:07:57,623 Three forms of public notice for public hearings. 123 00:07:57,623 --> 00:08:00,301 The property notice was posted and letters 124 00:08:00,301 --> 00:08:03,747 were sent to adjacent property owners on June 30th, 2026. 125 00:08:03,747 --> 00:08:06,481 While the notice was published in the Longmont Times. 126 00:08:06,481 --> 00:08:14,311 Call on July 1 The town staff has reviewed the preliminary 127 00:08:14,311 --> 00:08:17,671 plat application materials for compliance with the preliminary 128 00:08:17,671 --> 00:08:23,401 plat approval criteria found in section 16 76C of the Firestone 129 00:08:23,401 --> 00:08:29,461 Development Code With the first five criteria shown here 130 00:08:29,461 --> 00:08:36,871 in the last five shown here based on this review are staff 131 00:08:36,871 --> 00:08:40,351 recommends Staff also find that all the approval criteria are 132 00:08:40,351 --> 00:08:43,981 met based on this review, staff recommends that the planning 133 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:47,418 and Zoning Commission approve draft resolution 120 602, 134 00:08:47,418 --> 00:08:50,851 recommending approval of the Barefoot Lakes filing five 135 00:08:50,851 --> 00:08:53,191 Second Amendment preliminary plat with the three 136 00:08:53,191 --> 00:08:56,191 conditions listed on the screen And this 137 00:08:56,191 --> 00:08:57,682 concludes My presentation. 138 00:08:57,682 --> 00:09:00,181 I will be available after the applicant presentation 139 00:09:00,181 --> 00:09:02,011 and any public comment. 140 00:09:02,011 --> 00:09:08,120 Thank you Thank you. the applicant for their presentation 141 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,695 is. 142 00:09:08,695 --> 00:09:09,557 All right. 143 00:09:09,557 --> 00:09:12,867 It looks like this is on up. 144 00:09:12,867 --> 00:09:16,164 Thank you and see just push. 145 00:09:16,164 --> 00:09:19,625 She's on the right here to go to the air 146 00:09:19,625 --> 00:09:20,727 The one without the arrow. 147 00:09:20,727 --> 00:09:22,981 OK great. 148 00:09:22,981 --> 00:09:24,121 Good evening, commissioners. 149 00:09:24,121 --> 00:09:25,081 My name is Jeff Mark. 150 00:09:25,081 --> 00:09:26,611 I'm a principal Terracing, a design 151 00:09:26,611 --> 00:09:29,341 We are the planners and civil engineers for this proposal 152 00:09:29,341 --> 00:09:32,851 in front of you tonight, we also have Representative here 153 00:09:32,851 --> 00:09:36,031 from Brookfield that can answer any questions that you may have 154 00:09:36,031 --> 00:09:39,511 that if I I'm not able to answer those for you 155 00:09:39,511 --> 00:09:41,581 want to start off again by thanking you for having us 156 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:43,411 here tonight We're excited to be here. 157 00:09:43,411 --> 00:09:45,871 Also want to thank all your staff for all 158 00:09:45,871 --> 00:09:46,981 their help on everything. 159 00:09:46,981 --> 00:09:49,111 We always work on and they're very 160 00:09:49,111 --> 00:09:52,201 helpful and great to work with. 161 00:09:52,201 --> 00:09:58,231 So with that need context map here which Monica kind of showed 162 00:09:58,231 --> 00:10:00,061 again of where the site is. 163 00:10:00,061 --> 00:10:01,531 If we need to, we can kind of come back 164 00:10:01,531 --> 00:10:05,941 to this as we move forward. 165 00:10:05,941 --> 00:10:09,121 So One of the questions is, is why was the site 166 00:10:09,121 --> 00:10:11,101 not developed with filing five? 167 00:10:11,101 --> 00:10:12,451 The reason for that was is that there 168 00:10:12,451 --> 00:10:15,751 were oil and gas facilities on this piece of property. 169 00:10:15,751 --> 00:10:18,031 So as you can see here on the left that's 170 00:10:18,031 --> 00:10:19,951 an aerial from May of 2023. 171 00:10:19,951 --> 00:10:22,921 You can see those oil and gas facilities on the site 172 00:10:22,921 --> 00:10:24,511 And then an aerial here from just May 173 00:10:24,511 --> 00:10:27,811 of this year where you see everything has been removed 174 00:10:27,811 --> 00:10:40,141 from the site The This site has always been planned to be 175 00:10:40,141 --> 00:10:42,901 future development Just wanted to bring 176 00:10:42,901 --> 00:10:44,971 up the sales graphic here. 177 00:10:44,971 --> 00:10:46,651 What you can see down there on the bottom 178 00:10:46,651 --> 00:10:50,115 or it says a future development was the area that's 179 00:10:50,115 --> 00:10:52,332 been on this plan showing that at one point in time, 180 00:10:52,332 --> 00:11:00,151 this was going to be future development at the plant also. 181 00:11:00,151 --> 00:11:02,671 So this is a filing five plat. 182 00:11:02,671 --> 00:11:04,171 You could see here where it's labeled 183 00:11:04,171 --> 00:11:06,931 track J and K on the plan over here 184 00:11:06,931 --> 00:11:09,301 And we highlighted it in the land use summary table 185 00:11:09,301 --> 00:11:10,111 over here. 186 00:11:10,111 --> 00:11:11,641 Maybe a little hard to see, but it is 187 00:11:11,641 --> 00:11:13,351 labeled as future development. 188 00:11:13,351 --> 00:11:16,171 Also demonstrating the both that all of the site that you see 189 00:11:16,171 --> 00:11:18,541 kind of in the brown and yellow was always intended 190 00:11:18,541 --> 00:11:24,061 to be future development The site is located in planning area 191 00:11:24,061 --> 00:11:28,451 nine, which is kind of filings five and six of the Barefoot 192 00:11:28,451 --> 00:11:31,531 Lakes ODP within that planning area, 193 00:11:31,531 --> 00:11:35,491 Nine there's 426 units allowed based off 194 00:11:35,491 --> 00:11:39,031 of what has been platted There's technically 58 units that are 195 00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:45,629 allowed on this piece of property 196 00:11:45,629 --> 00:11:49,561 So with this information when we first started to look 197 00:11:49,561 --> 00:11:53,281 at the site we really felt that it 198 00:11:53,281 --> 00:11:56,791 was important that instead of trying to cram 58 units in here, 199 00:11:56,791 --> 00:11:58,471 that we start to place homes on here 200 00:11:58,471 --> 00:12:01,171 that are the same size and nature of what surrounds it. 201 00:12:01,171 --> 00:12:04,291 So what you're seeing on here, these are the same size, lots 202 00:12:04,291 --> 00:12:06,061 of the existing homes that are around it 203 00:12:06,061 --> 00:12:11,671 and filing five We also wanted to generally honor 204 00:12:11,671 --> 00:12:14,791 the schematic form you see in that sales graphic if we want 205 00:12:14,791 --> 00:12:16,951 to go back to you could see there was a smaller sliver 206 00:12:16,951 --> 00:12:21,331 of open space on the west side and a larger on the east side, 207 00:12:21,331 --> 00:12:24,661 which this does. 208 00:12:24,661 --> 00:12:28,261 And as we develop these plans, we're really trying to make sure 209 00:12:28,261 --> 00:12:29,821 that we're kind of threading the needle here 210 00:12:29,821 --> 00:12:32,161 with all of the criteria making sure we're meeting all 211 00:12:32,161 --> 00:12:35,101 of your town standard when it comes to roads 212 00:12:35,101 --> 00:12:39,901 civil engineering, the grading on it 213 00:12:39,901 --> 00:12:43,141 One of the items that we've also added into here 214 00:12:43,141 --> 00:12:44,791 was a propose trail that you could 215 00:12:44,791 --> 00:12:47,671 see going from the existing walk along Barefoot Lakes 216 00:12:47,671 --> 00:12:51,511 parkway that's connecting down to that existing trail 217 00:12:51,511 --> 00:12:53,521 that you could see kind of the squiggly line there 218 00:12:53,521 --> 00:12:58,601 and the bottom right hand corner Nothing is planned. 219 00:12:58,601 --> 00:12:59,101 Appreciate it. 220 00:12:59,101 --> 00:13:02,371 Is really with these 11 homes that we're proposing in here, 221 00:13:02,371 --> 00:13:05,041 it's kind of creating this nice little cluster of homes 222 00:13:05,041 --> 00:13:07,351 and within that, there's kind of just three smaller clusters. 223 00:13:07,351 --> 00:13:10,575 You can see we just have a six, a significant open space 224 00:13:10,575 --> 00:13:11,442 there with the connection. 225 00:13:11,442 --> 00:13:14,980 Another three open space and another Two that you could see 226 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:22,501 is ten and 11 With this, we did have a neighborhood meeting, 227 00:13:22,501 --> 00:13:25,681 so we took this, showed it to the neighbors 228 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:28,381 Some of the primary concern is where we did hear a little bit 229 00:13:28,381 --> 00:13:31,051 of mixed bag Some people saying, yes, I knew development 230 00:13:31,051 --> 00:13:32,191 was going to happen here. 231 00:13:32,191 --> 00:13:35,011 No, I didn't know it was going to happen here. 232 00:13:35,011 --> 00:13:38,821 I thought it was going to happen later than it's happening 233 00:13:38,821 --> 00:13:40,171 But I would say overall, probably 234 00:13:40,171 --> 00:13:43,186 One of the bigger comments we did receive is 235 00:13:43,186 --> 00:13:50,371 about the proposed trail that is now shown on here This plan you 236 00:13:50,371 --> 00:13:53,191 see on here, this is what is in black 237 00:13:53,191 --> 00:13:56,941 and white was the final development plan for filing five 238 00:13:56,941 --> 00:14:00,975 is part of that The trail was never contemplated and there. 239 00:14:00,975 --> 00:14:03,661 It wasn't a required meant when that was done. 240 00:14:03,661 --> 00:14:04,981 So what you're seeing here in red 241 00:14:04,981 --> 00:14:07,761 is what we are proposing in here. 242 00:14:07,761 --> 00:14:09,061 I know this is something that we didn't 243 00:14:09,061 --> 00:14:10,981 have in our original plans. 244 00:14:10,981 --> 00:14:13,291 Staff strongly suggested that we should 245 00:14:13,291 --> 00:14:14,990 be adding this trail in here. 246 00:14:14,990 --> 00:14:17,431 So I know again that was kind of one of the bigger comments we 247 00:14:17,431 --> 00:14:19,381 did get from the neighbors and residents 248 00:14:19,381 --> 00:14:23,791 that they didn't expect this to be here 249 00:14:23,791 --> 00:14:26,699 We have tried to pull the trail as far away from the home 250 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:27,317 as we can. 251 00:14:27,317 --> 00:14:28,624 I know when you look at this graphic, 252 00:14:28,624 --> 00:14:29,791 it kind of looks like they're close 253 00:14:29,791 --> 00:14:32,401 but there is that drainage, steep slopes, 254 00:14:32,401 --> 00:14:34,141 existing vegetation in there. 255 00:14:34,141 --> 00:14:36,841 So we're kind of getting it right to the edge of that. 256 00:14:36,841 --> 00:14:40,231 Is close as we can without going in and starting to really impact 257 00:14:40,231 --> 00:14:48,691 that drainage corridor I just wanted to quickly show 258 00:14:48,691 --> 00:14:50,887 this exhibit that is demonstrating, 259 00:14:50,887 --> 00:14:53,873 again, the amount of open space in the end 260 00:14:53,873 --> 00:14:56,071 with, including tract k over there, 261 00:14:56,071 --> 00:14:58,561 we're going to be close to almost 50% of open space 262 00:14:58,561 --> 00:15:05,071 with these two future development tracts an end. 263 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:06,867 Finally here, just wanted to show You 264 00:15:06,867 --> 00:15:10,471 a couple of 3D renderings that we've done 265 00:15:10,471 --> 00:15:11,581 Just a disclaimer on it. 266 00:15:11,581 --> 00:15:14,521 These are homes that are currently 267 00:15:14,521 --> 00:15:17,450 models that brookfield does have that we're placing on here. 268 00:15:17,450 --> 00:15:20,161 Doesn't mean, those are going to be the exact homes, obviously, 269 00:15:20,161 --> 00:15:23,821 on each home site each homeowner be able to purchase their lot 270 00:15:23,821 --> 00:15:26,041 and figure out which floor plan they wanted to have, 271 00:15:26,041 --> 00:15:28,501 but we wanted to make sure that we were showing here homes 272 00:15:28,501 --> 00:15:30,121 on here that are representative of what 273 00:15:30,121 --> 00:15:32,581 they're currently building. 274 00:15:32,581 --> 00:15:36,781 So this is again, a view looking south and seeing that open space 275 00:15:36,781 --> 00:15:40,951 buffer on the right hand side, the large one on the left 276 00:15:40,951 --> 00:15:47,525 a view looking straight north onto the site 277 00:15:47,525 --> 00:15:50,461 I just wanted to bring up the approval criteria here. 278 00:15:50,461 --> 00:15:55,441 Again we do meet these criteria We agree with staff at all 279 00:15:55,441 --> 00:15:58,831 their findings and the report that you wrote in here, pages 280 00:15:58,831 --> 00:16:00,631 three through five of the staff report, 281 00:16:00,631 --> 00:16:03,201 go into detail of each One of these criteria 282 00:16:03,201 --> 00:16:04,561 and how we meet it. 283 00:16:04,561 --> 00:16:10,988 And we agree with all of those And then we have the One that's 284 00:16:10,988 --> 00:16:13,104 the PowerPoint by chance. 285 00:16:13,104 --> 00:16:15,031 I want to test something out for you guys. 286 00:16:15,031 --> 00:16:20,191 So we have kind of a new technology that we're using that 287 00:16:20,191 --> 00:16:22,201 actually it's going to be a visual where we actually 288 00:16:22,201 --> 00:16:23,851 fly a 3D drone around the site. 289 00:16:23,851 --> 00:16:27,434 And we will actually model it in that it's a video in there. 290 00:16:27,434 --> 00:16:30,090 It was a little large, so I kind of put it. 291 00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:32,341 Another part of the presentation because if it 292 00:16:32,341 --> 00:16:40,711 crashed at the end, it's the very end of that one. 293 00:16:40,711 --> 00:16:42,901 Yes I know. 294 00:16:42,901 --> 00:16:44,746 Technology could be good Well, finicky. 295 00:16:44,746 --> 00:16:47,560 So you're going to be kind of be my guinea pigs on this. 296 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,301 Doesn't have sound. 297 00:16:48,301 --> 00:16:56,311 No, it doesn't have any sound I should have added sound to it 298 00:16:56,311 --> 00:16:57,869 So since we're creating this, I figured 299 00:16:57,869 --> 00:17:00,661 it'd be good Yeah, it is working and it's not too jumpy, 300 00:17:00,661 --> 00:17:02,971 but Yeah, that's pretty cool Here you 301 00:17:02,971 --> 00:17:06,515 could see how this you know, it looks very similar to that cul 302 00:17:06,515 --> 00:17:07,726 de sac a homes. 303 00:17:07,726 --> 00:17:10,441 That's off to the side of it I think really 304 00:17:10,441 --> 00:17:14,431 fitting in with the surrounding neighborhood, 305 00:17:14,431 --> 00:17:16,895 creating the open space between it. 306 00:17:16,895 --> 00:17:21,781 And again, similar type homes One other item 307 00:17:21,781 --> 00:17:25,019 I forgot to mention in here when we work through this, a comment, 308 00:17:25,019 --> 00:17:27,541 you know, there's comments from in the neighborhood meeting 309 00:17:27,541 --> 00:17:32,131 about views We did go back to our plans and looked at it 310 00:17:32,131 --> 00:17:36,151 and lowered the site as much as we could So the road 311 00:17:36,151 --> 00:17:38,791 coming off of sanctuary there on the left hand side what we did 312 00:17:38,791 --> 00:17:41,791 is we try to some maximum grade peer criteria 313 00:17:41,791 --> 00:17:44,521 that we could go down to just try to settle these homes down 314 00:17:44,521 --> 00:17:49,004 into the site Again, as much as we could without raising it up. 315 00:17:49,004 --> 00:17:50,371 I think there is going to be a little bit 316 00:17:50,371 --> 00:17:51,511 of dirt that's going to be brought 317 00:17:51,511 --> 00:17:53,251 off the site because of it. 318 00:17:53,251 --> 00:17:57,631 But trying to do anything we could to help minimize that. 319 00:17:57,631 --> 00:18:04,231 So with that, if you have any questions for us 320 00:18:04,231 --> 00:18:06,709 we're more than happy to We do. 321 00:18:06,709 --> 00:18:07,861 We'll get to them at the. 322 00:18:07,861 --> 00:18:09,611 You got it. 323 00:18:09,611 --> 00:18:10,111 Thank you. 324 00:18:10,111 --> 00:18:15,481 Thank you All right. 325 00:18:15,481 --> 00:18:19,591 Thank you to both staff and the applicant for your presentations 326 00:18:19,591 --> 00:18:22,021 So now we were going to proceed with public comment 327 00:18:22,021 --> 00:18:24,751 for item six. 328 00:18:24,751 --> 00:18:34,951 Do we have anyone sent it for public comment 329 00:18:34,951 --> 00:18:39,011 No no Public comments. 330 00:18:39,011 --> 00:18:46,951 OK So because there is no one the Center for Public Comment, 331 00:18:46,951 --> 00:18:48,841 is there anyone that did not sign up that wishes 332 00:18:48,841 --> 00:18:50,429 to make public comment? 333 00:18:50,429 --> 00:18:51,699 A few individuals. 334 00:18:51,699 --> 00:18:52,334 OK. 335 00:18:52,334 --> 00:18:56,571 What so during public comments, just 336 00:18:56,571 --> 00:19:00,061 reminder three minutes and just to be 337 00:19:00,061 --> 00:19:02,041 respectful of everyone's time, please state your name 338 00:19:02,041 --> 00:19:02,701 and address for the record. 339 00:19:02,701 --> 00:19:03,151 Sir. 340 00:19:03,151 --> 00:19:03,651 Yeah. 341 00:19:03,651 --> 00:19:07,141 I'm Steve trunk and I'm at one, 2, seven ten Bend 342 00:19:07,141 --> 00:19:12,031 Court in the smaller little cul de sac 343 00:19:12,031 --> 00:19:15,511 that is significantly impacted by this. 344 00:19:15,511 --> 00:19:18,762 Obviously myself and some of the neighbors 345 00:19:18,762 --> 00:19:21,961 would not be in support of this development 346 00:19:21,961 --> 00:19:24,601 because one of the things that brought us to the area 347 00:19:24,601 --> 00:19:27,151 that we loved about Firestone about this area, 348 00:19:27,151 --> 00:19:30,661 was the fact that there was a lot of open space. 349 00:19:30,661 --> 00:19:34,681 There was a lot of good views, great views Many of us, 350 00:19:34,681 --> 00:19:41,311 myself included paid a additional price for the view 351 00:19:41,311 --> 00:19:42,991 for the premium lot. 352 00:19:42,991 --> 00:19:45,661 If you would And I realize sometimes 353 00:19:45,661 --> 00:19:49,381 the realtors or builders may not be this fourth. 354 00:19:49,381 --> 00:19:53,041 This closing as they might have been, but some of us 355 00:19:53,041 --> 00:19:56,491 were unaware that this was going to be developed 356 00:19:56,491 --> 00:20:00,811 and so, of course, I would support not supporting this 357 00:20:00,811 --> 00:20:03,391 But you have other considerations and other things 358 00:20:03,391 --> 00:20:06,181 that you take into consideration and some 359 00:20:06,181 --> 00:20:07,561 of the economic benefit. 360 00:20:07,561 --> 00:20:12,559 However, I think if the builder and developer could in fact, 361 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:18,451 not impact our views as much as current, Lee would be the case, 362 00:20:18,451 --> 00:20:20,221 no they did talk about, which was not 363 00:20:20,221 --> 00:20:24,151 at the other presentation They did talk about they 364 00:20:24,151 --> 00:20:27,941 didn't talk at that time about maybe lowering or having some 365 00:20:27,941 --> 00:20:31,951 of the view, not obstructed And so 366 00:20:31,951 --> 00:20:35,551 and I know that sometimes they show here the building envelope 367 00:20:35,551 --> 00:20:39,151 that shows the biggest you could build and i would, you know, 368 00:20:39,151 --> 00:20:41,851 hope that at least as this develops 369 00:20:41,851 --> 00:20:46,303 if it continues that that would be towards the front of the lot. 370 00:20:46,303 --> 00:20:49,951 So that we would be less impacted from our backyard, 371 00:20:49,951 --> 00:20:53,071 their backyard we'd have more of a buffer. 372 00:20:53,071 --> 00:20:57,301 And if we could balance out that buffer because it seems right 373 00:20:57,301 --> 00:20:59,641 now that there's a little more of a buffer 374 00:20:59,641 --> 00:21:02,281 to the ones on the east than there are to the ones 375 00:21:02,281 --> 00:21:05,701 that would be literally next to our backyard. 376 00:21:05,701 --> 00:21:10,621 I would appreciate that thought on that. 377 00:21:10,621 --> 00:21:14,041 And and certainly hope that we can balance out. 378 00:21:14,041 --> 00:21:16,071 So that we're all good neighbors. 379 00:21:16,071 --> 00:21:20,170 This is this comes thank you for your time. 380 00:21:20,170 --> 00:21:33,901 I think they should Hello giving William your 381 00:21:33,901 --> 00:21:37,696 so I live on cove 12657 cove. 382 00:21:37,696 --> 00:21:41,521 Couple of issues we've had with this there's no question. 383 00:21:41,521 --> 00:21:44,161 I think most of the homeowners will admit 384 00:21:44,161 --> 00:21:47,851 that that future as you see a development was going to be 385 00:21:47,851 --> 00:21:51,031 developed If you look when we purchased the lots, 386 00:21:51,031 --> 00:21:54,331 if you look at what they told us, they showed us what it is 387 00:21:54,331 --> 00:21:57,421 and what it is now, it's significantly bigger 388 00:21:57,421 --> 00:21:59,641 They're cram in more homes into more space. 389 00:21:59,641 --> 00:22:01,471 They're pushing it back. 390 00:22:01,471 --> 00:22:04,561 And for some of us that paid that premium for the lot 391 00:22:04,561 --> 00:22:07,141 when we bought that, these weren't a concern. 392 00:22:07,141 --> 00:22:12,031 And now there are concern now But probably more significantly 393 00:22:12,031 --> 00:22:15,991 for several of us homeowners is there putting in a sidewalk 394 00:22:15,991 --> 00:22:17,881 walk where there was going to be no development. 395 00:22:17,881 --> 00:22:23,491 It's some of the sidewalk goes well past track or J 396 00:22:23,491 --> 00:22:26,221 and the lots were built They weren't built 397 00:22:26,221 --> 00:22:27,474 to have that sidewalk there. 398 00:22:27,474 --> 00:22:28,741 If you go back there and look, there's 399 00:22:28,741 --> 00:22:32,176 about an eight foot portion down from the fence 400 00:22:32,176 --> 00:22:33,639 line to those homes. 401 00:22:33,639 --> 00:22:36,421 And it goes straight down and they're putting that sidewalk 402 00:22:36,421 --> 00:22:40,771 right there that puts it about 26ft from my back 403 00:22:40,771 --> 00:22:45,901 door So I paid for a lot premium to have backup to green space. 404 00:22:45,901 --> 00:22:49,081 And now I'm going to back up to a public sidewalk and it's going 405 00:22:49,081 --> 00:22:51,781 to be 26ft from my back door. 406 00:22:51,781 --> 00:22:54,781 Any privacy I've had is going to be completely shot 407 00:22:54,781 --> 00:22:58,411 because of this And I've asked that they look at other options 408 00:22:58,411 --> 00:23:00,871 for the trails and we've got trails 409 00:23:00,871 --> 00:23:03,061 all throughout the community But that's 410 00:23:03,061 --> 00:23:06,841 a significant concern that I think needs to be looked at. 411 00:23:06,841 --> 00:23:07,381 Thank you. 412 00:23:07,381 --> 00:23:12,391 Thank you So anyone else that would like to speak 413 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:16,389 during public comment ? 414 00:23:16,389 --> 00:23:20,641 OK So i see your hand there. 415 00:23:20,641 --> 00:23:25,761 I'm Jean Brown Oh, we are in the process of purchasing 1 2 416 00:23:25,761 --> 00:23:26,721 in your edges, please. 417 00:23:26,721 --> 00:23:29,071 One, two, 7 to 6. 418 00:23:29,071 --> 00:23:31,261 Ben Court We don't own it yet. 419 00:23:31,261 --> 00:23:33,098 We haven't closed on it. 420 00:23:33,098 --> 00:23:37,771 I i'm a little disappointed because in the process 421 00:23:37,771 --> 00:23:40,741 of purchasing our signing the contract, 422 00:23:40,741 --> 00:23:46,441 we were told that there would be no development back there, 423 00:23:46,441 --> 00:23:49,981 that they were finished to developer was finished 424 00:23:49,981 --> 00:23:56,141 and had moved on out of that area and across the road. 425 00:23:56,141 --> 00:24:02,971 So obviously, that was an incorrect representation to us. 426 00:24:02,971 --> 00:24:06,811 But it's very concerning when we look out our i mean, 427 00:24:06,811 --> 00:24:12,151 we purchased the Eight foot tall, 15 foot wide, 428 00:24:12,151 --> 00:24:15,501 expansive view sliding door. 429 00:24:15,501 --> 00:24:21,691 And now it's going to be looking at someone's back side 430 00:24:21,691 --> 00:24:27,221 of their house But more than that when I look, 431 00:24:27,221 --> 00:24:29,157 I see a big stake right there. 432 00:24:29,157 --> 00:24:32,461 And that was the well head. 433 00:24:32,461 --> 00:24:34,621 So we are very close to it. 434 00:24:34,621 --> 00:24:37,921 I'm we're from out of state I was 435 00:24:37,921 --> 00:24:43,561 not aware of all of the drilling in particular in Weld County. 436 00:24:43,561 --> 00:24:47,161 I find it very concerning that there are so 437 00:24:47,161 --> 00:24:49,681 many thousands of wells here. 438 00:24:49,681 --> 00:24:53,191 And when i read about it you know, 439 00:24:53,191 --> 00:25:00,091 I read about how many are uncapped 440 00:25:00,091 --> 00:25:03,841 the state of development of the fracking and drilling 441 00:25:03,841 --> 00:25:05,221 that's been going on here. 442 00:25:05,221 --> 00:25:10,861 It's kind of in the mature stage and we don't any of us 443 00:25:10,861 --> 00:25:13,741 know what will ultimately happen. 444 00:25:13,741 --> 00:25:16,891 And our homes are all being built on top of this. 445 00:25:16,891 --> 00:25:22,741 So I find it very concerning that Firestone is allowing 446 00:25:22,741 --> 00:25:27,841 such a minor setback from cap wells 447 00:25:27,841 --> 00:25:30,661 I don't think it's adequate. 448 00:25:30,661 --> 00:25:35,491 And for my own home, I feel concerned 449 00:25:35,491 --> 00:25:40,201 But for someone who's going to be between that, well and me, 450 00:25:40,201 --> 00:25:46,651 I think I. I mean, do they have to notify the buyers that they 451 00:25:46,651 --> 00:25:52,051 are building on top of a well pad site Will they be made aware 452 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:56,881 of that I don't think there's anything that I've read 453 00:25:56,881 --> 00:26:01,651 that says you require that be revealed to people People 454 00:26:01,651 --> 00:26:03,151 are coming in with children. 455 00:26:03,151 --> 00:26:06,961 My three little grandsons live next door. 456 00:26:06,961 --> 00:26:12,631 I have a blood cancer I don't think it's in our best interest 457 00:26:12,631 --> 00:26:18,061 to be allowing home homes to be built right on top of well, 458 00:26:18,061 --> 00:26:20,821 Pat what's going to happen? 459 00:26:20,821 --> 00:26:22,891 75 years from now? 460 00:26:22,891 --> 00:26:25,321 Is this going to be one of the biggest cancer 461 00:26:25,321 --> 00:26:28,501 clusters in the United States I think 462 00:26:28,501 --> 00:26:33,721 you should think about these things It's not right. 463 00:26:33,721 --> 00:26:36,031 Those are my main concerns Thank you. 464 00:26:36,031 --> 00:26:44,821 Thank you Anyone else like to make public comment at this time 465 00:26:44,821 --> 00:26:49,651 Okay So at this time, the public comment portion 466 00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:53,311 of this public hearing is now closed And as a commission, 467 00:26:53,311 --> 00:26:58,141 we will now deliberate on on this matter Before we start 468 00:26:58,141 --> 00:27:00,421 with some questions and some deliberation, 469 00:27:00,421 --> 00:27:02,161 I just want to state that the documents include 470 00:27:02,161 --> 00:27:03,691 within the record for this public hearing, 471 00:27:03,691 --> 00:27:06,571 including all materials in the planning and zoning commission 472 00:27:06,571 --> 00:27:09,511 agenda packet, the presentation given tonight, 473 00:27:09,511 --> 00:27:11,491 and I'll written referral and public comments regarding 474 00:27:11,491 --> 00:27:14,757 the application will be included So 475 00:27:14,757 --> 00:27:17,032 does anyone have any objection to the inclusion of 476 00:27:17,032 --> 00:27:21,151 those documents records Okay. 477 00:27:21,151 --> 00:27:26,191 So with that, does staff wish to address anything that 478 00:27:26,191 --> 00:27:28,171 came up during public comment? 479 00:27:28,171 --> 00:27:30,001 Perhaps maybe you could speak a little bit 480 00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:34,411 about how the oil and gas functions when it comes 481 00:27:34,411 --> 00:27:39,781 to the pay for that Also perhaps address some of the setback 482 00:27:39,781 --> 00:27:42,929 concerns And I know there is part of the public testimony, 483 00:27:42,929 --> 00:27:47,104 the emails that we received in our packet that looks like met 484 00:27:47,104 --> 00:27:56,251 and argued spoken to mr. Arts in regards to his concerns 485 00:27:56,251 --> 00:27:59,217 and mr. Maher about the sidewalk going. 486 00:27:59,217 --> 00:28:02,075 And if you can maybe address some of those for us, 487 00:28:02,075 --> 00:28:06,123 please comment I take that to mean take it to the cancer. 488 00:28:06,123 --> 00:28:10,111 OK I'll take the oil and gas stuff since I have a little bit 489 00:28:10,111 --> 00:28:14,882 more experience with that than on a cut So first of all, 490 00:28:14,882 --> 00:28:17,433 we require our. 491 00:28:17,433 --> 00:28:18,541 Thank you. 492 00:28:18,541 --> 00:28:23,116 Thank you The fire storm development code requires a 50 493 00:28:23,116 --> 00:28:26,701 foot setback from plugged in abandoned wells 494 00:28:26,701 --> 00:28:29,941 They do have to be shown on the documents 495 00:28:29,941 --> 00:28:33,451 and they'll have to be those 50 foot setbacks will have 496 00:28:33,451 --> 00:28:35,731 to be shown on the final plat. 497 00:28:35,731 --> 00:28:40,381 So and yes, in your documentation 498 00:28:40,381 --> 00:28:43,781 with your title report, you know that information, you know, 499 00:28:43,781 --> 00:28:45,101 will show up. 500 00:28:45,101 --> 00:28:48,871 If it is on your property We also 501 00:28:48,871 --> 00:28:54,331 require that the applicant to provide all the documentation 502 00:28:54,331 --> 00:28:58,771 from ECM c, which is formally Colorado Oil and Gas Commission, 503 00:28:58,771 --> 00:29:02,011 now rebrand it as CMC and they have 504 00:29:02,011 --> 00:29:06,607 all the reports that show that the oil and gas equipment was 505 00:29:06,607 --> 00:29:07,689 removed correctly. 506 00:29:07,689 --> 00:29:10,291 And then it's been cleaned up correctly. 507 00:29:10,291 --> 00:29:13,411 We also require the town fire still 508 00:29:13,411 --> 00:29:18,391 requires third party information showing a report showing 509 00:29:18,391 --> 00:29:20,491 that the equipment belowground that we can't see 510 00:29:20,491 --> 00:29:23,551 was also removed And those reports 511 00:29:23,551 --> 00:29:26,551 do come along with pictures showing 512 00:29:26,551 --> 00:29:28,621 where they've dug it up to confirm 513 00:29:28,621 --> 00:29:30,751 that it's not there anymore. 514 00:29:30,751 --> 00:29:33,391 So we take it very seriously. 515 00:29:33,391 --> 00:29:38,431 You know, obviously, we've had a had an accident in town already 516 00:29:38,431 --> 00:29:42,371 in the past And so we take it very seriously. 517 00:29:42,371 --> 00:29:46,321 The safety of our residents and making sure that the old oil 518 00:29:46,321 --> 00:29:50,281 and gas pad was cleaned up correctly 519 00:29:50,281 --> 00:29:52,021 I think the clarification I'll just make 520 00:29:52,021 --> 00:29:55,231 is the third party verification is for pipeline 521 00:29:55,231 --> 00:29:57,691 So if there are any pipelines leading to those wells that were 522 00:29:57,691 --> 00:30:01,441 removed you need third party verification showing the removal 523 00:30:01,441 --> 00:30:04,237 or if they can't be removed because they go into a road, 524 00:30:04,237 --> 00:30:06,031 something like that, they're required to flow, 525 00:30:06,031 --> 00:30:07,921 fill them with concrete to ensure the gas 526 00:30:07,921 --> 00:30:12,871 can't build up again. 527 00:30:12,871 --> 00:30:15,511 And i can speak a little bit more to the conversation 528 00:30:15,511 --> 00:30:20,491 about the trail and kind of how we got to the conclusion 529 00:30:20,491 --> 00:30:24,301 that a trail is necessary for this development. 530 00:30:24,301 --> 00:30:26,623 So when we're looking when staff, 531 00:30:26,623 --> 00:30:29,383 we're reviewing these submittals for these application, 532 00:30:29,383 --> 00:30:32,791 we are review these submittals against the Firestone 533 00:30:32,791 --> 00:30:33,811 development code. 534 00:30:33,811 --> 00:30:37,531 And there are a couple of very specific sections of code 535 00:30:37,531 --> 00:30:41,431 that mandate the construction of a trail. 536 00:30:41,431 --> 00:30:48,631 So one of them is Section 1665, D, E, 537 00:30:48,631 --> 00:30:53,161 and that is about cul de sacs and dead end streets And in that 538 00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:58,771 section it reads, Should they be incorporated a view corridor 539 00:30:58,771 --> 00:31:02,431 at the cul de sac head or dead end street, a minimum of 35ft, 540 00:31:02,431 --> 00:31:04,531 which should be provided to maintain open 541 00:31:04,531 --> 00:31:06,421 views and pedestrian access. 542 00:31:06,421 --> 00:31:11,071 And then goes on to say how those view corridors, 543 00:31:11,071 --> 00:31:15,001 if possible, must include a trail connection 544 00:31:15,001 --> 00:31:17,401 And so that's one of the main reasons 545 00:31:17,401 --> 00:31:23,401 that that trail was asked to be included with this submittal 546 00:31:23,401 --> 00:31:25,771 and staff leave that the reason this wasn't done 547 00:31:25,771 --> 00:31:29,491 with the broader filing five planning was because of the oil 548 00:31:29,491 --> 00:31:33,931 and gas facilities proposing a trail at that time in this area. 549 00:31:33,931 --> 00:31:38,439 With that within that proximity to the oil and gas operations 550 00:31:38,439 --> 00:31:42,661 didn't seem as smart as doing it at a later date 551 00:31:42,661 --> 00:31:49,531 when this new development comes in actually, what wouldn't it 552 00:31:49,531 --> 00:31:52,291 wouldn't have been allowed or at least 553 00:31:52,291 --> 00:31:55,831 with our current standards, we have a 150 foot setback from oil 554 00:31:55,831 --> 00:32:04,411 and gas to a trail Can any other comments with regards 555 00:32:04,411 --> 00:32:07,381 to public comment that staff would like to comment on 556 00:32:07,381 --> 00:32:14,251 or the applicant don't believe so All right. 557 00:32:14,251 --> 00:32:19,093 So at this time commissioners, do you have any questions 558 00:32:19,093 --> 00:32:22,231 that we'll then go into any questions 559 00:32:22,231 --> 00:32:26,401 about the public testimony that we just heard before we go 560 00:32:26,401 --> 00:32:34,591 into deliberations It's been i'll go through my list Which 561 00:32:34,591 --> 00:32:39,301 part of the trail is most contentious The entire trail 562 00:32:39,301 --> 00:32:45,991 or from what staff has been hearing mostly from sorry, 563 00:32:45,991 --> 00:32:47,891 from residents. 564 00:32:47,891 --> 00:32:48,391 Yes. 565 00:32:48,391 --> 00:32:50,701 So from the feedback that staff have been receiving 566 00:32:50,701 --> 00:32:54,661 from residents that eastern portion closest 567 00:32:54,661 --> 00:32:59,146 to the homes over there has been of most concern 568 00:32:59,146 --> 00:33:00,421 And then I'm sure. 569 00:33:00,421 --> 00:33:04,471 Any other place where the trail is close to other existing homes 570 00:33:04,471 --> 00:33:09,870 is probably also very key, has used the pointer just to kind 571 00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:21,241 of think So right along here. 572 00:33:21,241 --> 00:33:26,611 And then potentially over there as well including the wavy part 573 00:33:26,611 --> 00:33:30,121 or between the homes or just the part that loops 574 00:33:30,121 --> 00:33:35,191 around the back of staff have not had any comments 575 00:33:35,191 --> 00:33:36,691 on the wavy part yet. 576 00:33:36,691 --> 00:33:39,871 There is an existing kind of wavy trail 577 00:33:39,871 --> 00:33:41,311 connection through this tract. 578 00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:45,735 At the end of it over here But yeah, 579 00:33:45,735 --> 00:33:49,591 that no other concerns mentioned and why couldn't it go up? 580 00:33:49,591 --> 00:33:53,911 I think that structure where there's nothing over here. 581 00:33:53,911 --> 00:33:55,921 Yeah OK. 582 00:33:55,921 --> 00:33:58,621 Is that okay that that connection. 583 00:33:58,621 --> 00:34:02,671 So this along the high side of the drainage Yeah. 584 00:34:02,671 --> 00:34:04,441 Goes through the whole neighborhood 585 00:34:04,441 --> 00:34:07,381 So when you cross the street, it continues on. 586 00:34:07,381 --> 00:34:11,131 Also when you get yourself from there up to you. 587 00:34:11,131 --> 00:34:17,311 So yeah you get yourself here, pulls right here So 588 00:34:17,311 --> 00:34:20,041 there's already a social trail here of people walking 589 00:34:20,041 --> 00:34:23,011 along this And the neighbors told us that to 590 00:34:23,011 --> 00:34:24,044 Yeah, you're right. 591 00:34:24,044 --> 00:34:26,371 There has been people walking out here 592 00:34:26,371 --> 00:34:31,891 the paved trail will allow folks of all abilities. 593 00:34:31,891 --> 00:34:35,906 And if you're in a wheelchair or pushing a stroller or on 594 00:34:35,906 --> 00:34:38,671 a bike or young or old or anything 595 00:34:38,671 --> 00:34:41,217 in between the hard surface trail 596 00:34:41,217 --> 00:34:45,301 allows all users to use it. 597 00:34:45,301 --> 00:34:46,651 What do you mean by social trail? 598 00:34:46,651 --> 00:34:49,501 If you can clarify if you go out there now, 599 00:34:49,501 --> 00:34:51,391 you could see that there's a trail 600 00:34:51,391 --> 00:34:54,211 and people have been walking through there essentially along. 601 00:34:54,211 --> 00:34:56,191 Do you call all the walking trails, 602 00:34:56,191 --> 00:35:00,961 social trails and barefoot like so as an informal trail, please? 603 00:35:00,961 --> 00:35:04,621 Well, don't let the chair do this thing. 604 00:35:04,621 --> 00:35:06,931 So if are there other opportunities, 605 00:35:06,931 --> 00:35:10,921 if the public have more testimony to speak Keith, or is 606 00:35:10,921 --> 00:35:15,991 that would be the proper procedure for that. 607 00:35:15,991 --> 00:35:20,251 So you close public comment in my recommendation 608 00:35:20,251 --> 00:35:22,651 is to continue what you're doing. 609 00:35:22,651 --> 00:35:23,881 Let the questions to be asked. 610 00:35:23,881 --> 00:35:27,481 Staff and then allow the applicant to have 611 00:35:27,481 --> 00:35:29,191 an opportunity to rebut. 612 00:35:29,191 --> 00:35:32,211 And then after that if the board. 613 00:35:32,211 --> 00:35:33,601 So chooses someone can make a motion 614 00:35:33,601 --> 00:35:40,801 to reopen public comment that would have to pass by a majority 615 00:35:40,801 --> 00:35:42,901 So we'll do okay. 616 00:35:42,901 --> 00:35:44,297 So let's continue. 617 00:35:44,297 --> 00:35:44,797 Yeah. 618 00:35:44,797 --> 00:35:47,041 So that's what we'll do going forward after if there's 619 00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:49,081 any rebuttals then I'll ask for a motion to reopen 620 00:35:49,081 --> 00:35:50,851 public comment If there's for the comments 621 00:35:50,851 --> 00:35:53,611 that you all would like to make in response to whichever it 622 00:35:53,611 --> 00:36:00,811 tonight OK So the other part of the issue with the trail 623 00:36:00,811 --> 00:36:03,781 was that there's a drop off So will there be 624 00:36:03,781 --> 00:36:08,131 any kind of guardrail or railing put in to prevent 625 00:36:08,131 --> 00:36:12,811 falls as it's not that kind of I don't it's 626 00:36:12,811 --> 00:36:14,731 not that steep of a drop off. 627 00:36:14,731 --> 00:36:16,379 I think the point is it. 628 00:36:16,379 --> 00:36:18,212 They're trying to keep the trail on the flat part of it 629 00:36:18,212 --> 00:36:20,072 and not have to build retaining walls. 630 00:36:20,072 --> 00:36:22,321 You know, when you get down into the drainage 631 00:36:22,321 --> 00:36:24,571 then you would have to build retaining walls 632 00:36:24,571 --> 00:36:26,611 and you potentially affecting the drainage. 633 00:36:26,611 --> 00:36:29,161 So they're just trying to keep it up on the flat part. 634 00:36:29,161 --> 00:36:33,871 It's not like a cliff though It's my backyard. 635 00:36:33,871 --> 00:36:35,551 It's a cliff. 636 00:36:35,551 --> 00:36:37,891 It goes down on So we need to keep 637 00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:40,621 order You have to have a chance to make 638 00:36:40,621 --> 00:36:43,831 some comments afterwards. 639 00:36:43,831 --> 00:36:47,821 Staff have also heard from some residents that we discussed this 640 00:36:47,821 --> 00:36:51,571 with that there have been folks seen walking 641 00:36:51,571 --> 00:36:56,071 through the drainage way, the actual drainage way with pets 642 00:36:56,071 --> 00:36:59,161 And so this trail would also potentially be an opportunity 643 00:36:59,161 --> 00:37:02,041 to get folks out of walking in that open space, 644 00:37:02,041 --> 00:37:02,701 that drainage way. 645 00:37:02,701 --> 00:37:06,151 That's not intended for pedestrian activity 646 00:37:06,151 --> 00:37:08,851 and up into higher ground, closer 647 00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:11,551 to the the residential areas where 648 00:37:11,551 --> 00:37:15,961 you can observe the drainage way from a distance. 649 00:37:15,961 --> 00:37:18,991 So just for clarification on the trail, 650 00:37:18,991 --> 00:37:25,051 is required or not required by the after See the FCC would 651 00:37:25,051 --> 00:37:28,411 require construction of the trail of that trail 652 00:37:28,411 --> 00:37:31,340 through that yes it requires it to be connected 653 00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:32,941 Ed, let me read it. 654 00:37:32,941 --> 00:37:34,314 So if you corridors shall contain 655 00:37:34,314 --> 00:37:37,963 a pedestrian walkway or trail connection, wherever possible. 656 00:37:37,963 --> 00:37:39,931 So that would mean the connection 657 00:37:39,931 --> 00:37:45,241 to the the stub out trail coming from that other tract 658 00:37:45,241 --> 00:37:49,351 over in this cul de sac next to that existing 659 00:37:49,351 --> 00:37:52,531 trail There have to be a trail connection coming out here. 660 00:37:52,531 --> 00:37:55,891 And then this stub out as well But 661 00:37:55,891 --> 00:38:00,991 does it have to go all the way around as the trail 662 00:38:00,991 --> 00:38:04,351 connection picks up on the other side of Barefoot Lakes Parkway? 663 00:38:04,351 --> 00:38:08,191 And if you really take a larger aerial view of filing five, 664 00:38:08,191 --> 00:38:10,051 you can see the natural connection 665 00:38:10,051 --> 00:38:12,181 from the existing trail on the other side of Barefoot 666 00:38:12,181 --> 00:38:13,441 Lakes Parkway All right. 667 00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:17,825 We don't get to look at those things on our own right. 668 00:38:17,825 --> 00:38:23,551 OK This trail connection here is required to be here. 669 00:38:23,551 --> 00:38:26,671 So in the 30 foot tract that's required there, 670 00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:29,101 it does have to have a trail in it. 671 00:38:29,101 --> 00:38:34,771 The trail down here to will connect into the trail system 672 00:38:34,771 --> 00:38:36,631 around and Barefoot lakes. 673 00:38:36,631 --> 00:38:38,101 So really good connections. 674 00:38:38,101 --> 00:38:40,672 You've got the pool basically, at one end 675 00:38:40,672 --> 00:38:43,921 you got the connection to the Barefoot Lakes Trail system 676 00:38:43,921 --> 00:38:46,321 around the lakes itself down at this end. 677 00:38:46,321 --> 00:38:49,591 So really make some great connections 678 00:38:49,591 --> 00:38:52,201 And you say that the drop off is not that severe, 679 00:38:52,201 --> 00:38:54,991 but it sounds like you can't pull that out any 680 00:38:54,991 --> 00:38:57,552 further from behind that home. 681 00:38:57,552 --> 00:39:00,631 I anything is possible. 682 00:39:00,631 --> 00:39:03,361 Typically, you're trying to avoid doing retaining walls. 683 00:39:03,361 --> 00:39:05,581 We should let that into the crucial at the engineer 684 00:39:05,581 --> 00:39:12,307 respond to that All right. 685 00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:14,821 So really the slope along that edge i'll say 686 00:39:14,821 --> 00:39:16,381 is that the maximum slope you could have? 687 00:39:16,381 --> 00:39:17,941 So when they design this, that's what it is. 688 00:39:17,941 --> 00:39:21,391 So once you start moving a trail, a flat surface 689 00:39:21,391 --> 00:39:25,321 out into it, you're going to be into a retaining wall situation 690 00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:26,138 along with. 691 00:39:26,138 --> 00:39:28,589 And then you will be in a guardrail situation 692 00:39:28,589 --> 00:39:31,291 because you are starting to install retaining walls 693 00:39:31,291 --> 00:39:34,081 So really we're getting it to that furthest point. 694 00:39:34,081 --> 00:39:36,001 We can get at the top of that edge 695 00:39:36,001 --> 00:39:40,711 where if you just for every foot or every three feet, 696 00:39:40,711 --> 00:39:42,781 you move it out, That's going to be a foot of retaining 697 00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:44,448 wall and also bigger impacts. 698 00:39:44,448 --> 00:39:45,781 And then you start to get that handrail. 699 00:39:45,781 --> 00:39:48,181 So you start to situate it. 700 00:39:48,181 --> 00:39:50,431 I mean, if you were to move it even ten feet out, 701 00:39:50,431 --> 00:39:52,501 you're at a couple of, you know, you're over two 702 00:39:52,501 --> 00:39:53,401 feet of retaining wall. 703 00:39:53,401 --> 00:39:55,051 So that's that's where we're kind 704 00:39:55,051 --> 00:39:57,458 of threading that needle on it right now, if that makes sense. 705 00:39:57,458 --> 00:39:59,971 What's the issue with that? 706 00:39:59,971 --> 00:40:02,641 Well, I think in a natural corridor like this, 707 00:40:02,641 --> 00:40:05,641 I think the last thing you'd want is a bunch of railing 708 00:40:05,641 --> 00:40:07,501 everywhere I think that's something that just 709 00:40:07,501 --> 00:40:11,191 doesn't really fit into the character of it to get 710 00:40:11,191 --> 00:40:17,731 a distance of, let's say 15ft away versus 20ft away, 711 00:40:17,731 --> 00:40:20,761 that really the perceived distance is not that much 712 00:40:20,761 --> 00:40:25,111 of a distance, but on a hillside like that, it does make a big 713 00:40:25,111 --> 00:40:27,211 difference in the design of it. 714 00:40:27,211 --> 00:40:31,711 Again retaining walls, railing walls that the district 715 00:40:31,711 --> 00:40:33,067 is going to have to maintain. 716 00:40:33,067 --> 00:40:35,131 Then that over time you know, will need to have work. 717 00:40:35,131 --> 00:40:38,281 And so it's just additional cost all around on that to 718 00:40:38,281 --> 00:40:41,861 But it's possible like again, I think anything's possible 719 00:40:41,861 --> 00:40:44,941 so that that would potentially also 720 00:40:44,941 --> 00:40:47,856 require changes to their stormwater master plan. 721 00:40:47,856 --> 00:40:49,501 Yes there's stormwater issues starts 722 00:40:49,501 --> 00:40:52,591 to play into impacts to, again, the existing 723 00:40:52,591 --> 00:40:53,794 vegetation along there. 724 00:40:53,794 --> 00:40:56,668 I mean, it's but to the point of well, 725 00:40:56,668 --> 00:40:58,711 I think you can build a theory for folks 726 00:40:58,711 --> 00:41:03,094 to understand exactly what this particular does, 727 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:05,551 why this particular the design of that trail 728 00:41:05,551 --> 00:41:09,871 works So if there are stormwater issues 729 00:41:09,871 --> 00:41:11,581 or is there anything else? 730 00:41:11,581 --> 00:41:13,231 No I think that is it. 731 00:41:13,231 --> 00:41:15,901 And again we've been working with staff on what they feel 732 00:41:15,901 --> 00:41:18,001 the cold criteria is on the connection 733 00:41:18,001 --> 00:41:21,931 points for this trail, which is where we have then added 734 00:41:21,931 --> 00:41:26,161 the connection points that have been recommended to us 735 00:41:26,161 --> 00:41:29,851 and while we have you at the microphone, how 736 00:41:29,851 --> 00:41:32,971 much lower are you intending to build the home? 737 00:41:32,971 --> 00:41:33,511 Somewhat. 738 00:41:33,511 --> 00:41:36,091 Was originally presented to the neighborhood 739 00:41:36,091 --> 00:41:40,591 I think we ended up the steepness of the road. 740 00:41:40,591 --> 00:41:42,481 I think when we maxed it out, it ended up 741 00:41:42,481 --> 00:41:46,971 being in the ballpark of maybe 3 to 4ft lower on the end of that. 742 00:41:46,971 --> 00:41:49,294 And that is, again it was already 743 00:41:49,294 --> 00:41:51,151 the road was already from the original presentation 744 00:41:51,151 --> 00:41:55,111 was already going downhill And then as we looked at it, 745 00:41:55,111 --> 00:41:57,871 we were like, well, we can't actually steepen up the road as 746 00:41:57,871 --> 00:41:59,521 much as possible to meet your criteria, 747 00:41:59,521 --> 00:42:01,051 which is what we did to try to get that cul 748 00:42:01,051 --> 00:42:02,911 de sac as low as we could. 749 00:42:02,911 --> 00:42:07,861 So overall 3 to 4ft lower than the original downhill lowering 750 00:42:07,861 --> 00:42:10,381 that we kind of already had And how does 751 00:42:10,381 --> 00:42:12,511 that impact the view for the people 752 00:42:12,511 --> 00:42:15,511 that were complaining about it? 753 00:42:15,511 --> 00:42:18,271 I'd say that's kind of hard to say, 754 00:42:18,271 --> 00:42:22,201 given to each individual A home has a kind of a different view 755 00:42:22,201 --> 00:42:25,921 or a potentially you know, you know as it gets further 756 00:42:25,921 --> 00:42:28,021 towards the drainage again, each one of those 757 00:42:28,021 --> 00:42:30,601 is going to be down a little bit lower. 758 00:42:30,601 --> 00:42:32,461 And so you know, it's really what 759 00:42:32,461 --> 00:42:34,681 we're trying to do is the best that we can 760 00:42:34,681 --> 00:42:36,601 to try to help out on there. 761 00:42:36,601 --> 00:42:39,321 And meet still your criteria OK. 762 00:42:39,321 --> 00:42:39,851 All right. 763 00:42:39,851 --> 00:42:40,381 Thank you. 764 00:42:40,381 --> 00:42:45,601 You so i have another question for you. 765 00:42:45,601 --> 00:42:49,146 You said everything has been removed from the site 766 00:42:49,146 --> 00:42:53,519 with regard to oil and gas, correct Do you literally mean, 767 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,591 things were dug up and removed Yes, 768 00:42:55,591 --> 00:42:56,881 things were dug up and removed. 769 00:42:56,881 --> 00:43:01,848 We are still in the process of filing all of our final reports 770 00:43:01,848 --> 00:43:04,574 Our staff mentioned, we have to go through and make sure 771 00:43:04,574 --> 00:43:08,641 that every single line has been removed They're still out We're 772 00:43:08,641 --> 00:43:10,861 still out here doing studies on it, 773 00:43:10,861 --> 00:43:12,481 trenching different areas just trying 774 00:43:12,481 --> 00:43:14,701 to make sure that everything has been removed. 775 00:43:14,701 --> 00:43:16,351 I do commend firestone. 776 00:43:16,351 --> 00:43:19,171 For what it's worth on your regulations 777 00:43:19,171 --> 00:43:20,816 that you do have on it, because it is rare 778 00:43:20,816 --> 00:43:22,370 and a lot of the areas that you do, 779 00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:24,991 make sure that all of those lines have been removed 780 00:43:24,991 --> 00:43:27,566 and we make sure that we honor that and take it seriously. 781 00:43:27,566 --> 00:43:28,066 OK. 782 00:43:28,066 --> 00:43:28,681 Thank you. 783 00:43:28,681 --> 00:43:45,751 You Mean questions Hold on No, I think that's 784 00:43:45,751 --> 00:43:51,001 it Thank you Thank you, Chair. 785 00:43:51,001 --> 00:43:55,614 I do have a couple and they're mostly for staff. 786 00:43:55,614 --> 00:43:57,451 About the 50. 787 00:43:57,451 --> 00:44:01,961 So the 50 foot setback from where they were capped that. 788 00:44:01,961 --> 00:44:04,711 So every new development home is going 789 00:44:04,711 --> 00:44:10,861 to be at least that for away from each one of those 790 00:44:10,861 --> 00:44:14,011 and these have been abandoned and capped 791 00:44:14,011 --> 00:44:16,273 and it sounds like they're going through. 792 00:44:16,273 --> 00:44:18,509 And verifying that they're all gone. 793 00:44:18,509 --> 00:44:24,001 And did you say earlier, there would be a notice to the buyers 794 00:44:24,001 --> 00:44:26,611 of those lots that they had been there 795 00:44:26,611 --> 00:44:30,811 were no the no lot will be no lot. 796 00:44:30,811 --> 00:44:34,711 We can't plot a lot over that 50 foot setback. 797 00:44:34,711 --> 00:44:37,914 So no lot will be over the 50 foot setback. 798 00:44:37,914 --> 00:44:42,241 OK That's our job to make sure that that doesn't happen Right. 799 00:44:42,241 --> 00:44:47,341 50 foot setback, right And so is there a notice that that 800 00:44:47,341 --> 00:44:50,941 was there before or is that just I know you said something 801 00:44:50,941 --> 00:44:52,741 about it showing up in the I think 802 00:44:52,741 --> 00:44:54,430 if if it's on your property would 803 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:55,711 show up in the title report. 804 00:44:55,711 --> 00:44:58,471 But if it's not on your property, it would not 805 00:44:58,471 --> 00:45:00,991 I don't know that it'll be on the final plat. 806 00:45:00,991 --> 00:45:02,971 Our subdivision agreements do require 807 00:45:02,971 --> 00:45:05,371 an oil and gas disclosure form. 808 00:45:05,371 --> 00:45:07,051 That's in the title entirely. 809 00:45:07,051 --> 00:45:09,661 It does in the subdivision when they're selling them. 810 00:45:09,661 --> 00:45:12,451 So it's just if it's in the lot itself, if it crossed 811 00:45:12,451 --> 00:45:16,776 or if it was in here about if it's in that filing OK, good. 812 00:45:16,776 --> 00:45:17,366 OK. 813 00:45:17,366 --> 00:45:18,251 All right. 814 00:45:18,251 --> 00:45:19,441 I think that's all I have. 815 00:45:19,441 --> 00:45:23,191 Thank you Yeah. 816 00:45:23,191 --> 00:45:26,821 Thank you, Chair We talked a lot about the trail. 817 00:45:26,821 --> 00:45:32,911 What's the width of that trail Ten feet 818 00:45:32,911 --> 00:45:37,796 and foot concrete I believe so This concrete, 819 00:45:37,796 --> 00:45:46,861 asphalt. Asphalt. Oh, it's asphalt. I still couldn't so. 820 00:45:46,861 --> 00:45:50,066 I'm sorry You guys want to clarify that? 821 00:45:50,066 --> 00:45:51,727 Don't have to be concrete to look. 822 00:45:51,727 --> 00:45:54,511 So you're the plan Oh, no, it's five feet. 823 00:45:54,511 --> 00:45:56,551 Propose five feet concrete trail. 824 00:45:56,551 --> 00:45:58,891 And it does have to be concrete. 825 00:45:58,891 --> 00:46:01,711 So i apologize for saying ten five. 826 00:46:01,711 --> 00:46:02,221 So it's. 827 00:46:02,221 --> 00:46:03,151 It's only five foot. 828 00:46:03,151 --> 00:46:03,661 Five foot. 829 00:46:03,661 --> 00:46:05,611 Yeah So it's not even like our. 830 00:46:05,611 --> 00:46:08,641 But well, kind of like our bike paths out here. 831 00:46:08,641 --> 00:46:12,901 Yeah It's this that you know, the other paths 832 00:46:12,901 --> 00:46:15,811 like this that it matches up to in bare lakes 833 00:46:15,811 --> 00:46:21,451 are also five in your open space area 834 00:46:21,451 --> 00:46:23,971 I imagine that's going to be somewhat watered. 835 00:46:23,971 --> 00:46:29,761 Is it native grasses or what are we looking at in there 836 00:46:29,761 --> 00:46:32,958 I don't know anybody It's dirt. 837 00:46:32,958 --> 00:46:36,541 It's there's some water down there during a very heavy 838 00:46:36,541 --> 00:46:39,571 So once again once again, sir, this is not your time 839 00:46:39,571 --> 00:46:43,801 to be speaking about anybody that is part of staff 840 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:47,286 or the applicant So Yeah, it is just 841 00:46:47,286 --> 00:46:49,861 native seed that does have currently does 842 00:46:49,861 --> 00:46:52,021 have some irrigation out on it. 843 00:46:52,021 --> 00:46:54,853 Usually the intent of that is for establishment out there. 844 00:46:54,853 --> 00:46:57,271 And then at that point usually try and minimize 845 00:46:57,271 --> 00:47:00,781 the amount of water that is used to make sure 846 00:47:00,781 --> 00:47:03,391 I'm not 100% sure if you guys know, 847 00:47:03,391 --> 00:47:05,414 if you even run it normally out there 848 00:47:05,414 --> 00:47:10,448 or if it's just for established right out of barefoot 849 00:47:10,448 --> 00:47:11,581 Yeah, kind of depends on the area, 850 00:47:11,581 --> 00:47:14,251 but typically, it's usually around for establishment 851 00:47:14,251 --> 00:47:18,341 Know any trees or anything like that to help shade in the areas 852 00:47:18,341 --> 00:47:18,841 or. 853 00:47:18,841 --> 00:47:20,491 Yes So that's our thing. 854 00:47:20,491 --> 00:47:23,911 There are some existing trees that were planted out there just 855 00:47:23,911 --> 00:47:25,831 in the last couple of years We're hoping 856 00:47:25,831 --> 00:47:27,541 to be able to relocate some of those We do have 857 00:47:27,541 --> 00:47:29,701 in our landscape plans are the trees 858 00:47:29,701 --> 00:47:32,611 that we are trying to preserve out in there. 859 00:47:32,611 --> 00:47:35,264 Then the trees that we will be trying to relocate. 860 00:47:35,264 --> 00:47:38,521 And also, in addition to that, adding additional trees 861 00:47:38,521 --> 00:47:44,971 into the open space area And so it's just an establishment 862 00:47:44,971 --> 00:47:47,446 in the system would be left. 863 00:47:47,446 --> 00:47:48,354 Typically. 864 00:47:48,354 --> 00:47:49,575 That's how it is. 865 00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:51,451 I said, I'm not sure if you guys run it 866 00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:54,513 when during extremely there's a drought out there 867 00:47:54,513 --> 00:47:55,413 or if it's having an issue. 868 00:47:55,413 --> 00:47:58,527 But most of the time, it's just toward till establishment. 869 00:47:58,527 --> 00:47:59,530 OK. 870 00:47:59,530 --> 00:48:03,541 And yeah because water usage is will 871 00:48:03,541 --> 00:48:07,261 be a bigger bigger concern so Yeah so appreciate 872 00:48:07,261 --> 00:48:08,866 your concerns for that. 873 00:48:08,866 --> 00:48:14,101 And dealing with it appropriately So 874 00:48:14,101 --> 00:48:22,021 there's like Pat brought up there are issues on that routing 875 00:48:22,021 --> 00:48:24,661 and I know you already did all your studies 876 00:48:24,661 --> 00:48:29,401 and you economics of development and what's the cost to you 877 00:48:29,401 --> 00:48:31,231 and the impact and how you get your money 878 00:48:31,231 --> 00:48:32,911 back out of this thing. 879 00:48:32,911 --> 00:48:37,441 So retaining walls are expensive Yeah. 880 00:48:37,441 --> 00:48:41,071 So I imagine you're going to try to avoid those. 881 00:48:41,071 --> 00:48:44,851 Yes I would say conk concrete walks are expensive. 882 00:48:44,851 --> 00:48:49,981 Also, just in general especially for over 11 months. 883 00:48:49,981 --> 00:48:52,951 There's a lot of value on those two. 884 00:48:52,951 --> 00:48:56,161 You know, as far as for the bikers and the casual walkers 885 00:48:56,161 --> 00:48:56,701 and everything. 886 00:48:56,701 --> 00:49:00,308 And that's One of the attractions of your Barefoot 887 00:49:00,308 --> 00:49:04,261 Lake area you know the flexibility 888 00:49:04,261 --> 00:49:07,801 of movement of the pedestrians. 889 00:49:07,801 --> 00:49:11,761 Yeah, it's a shame there's that conflict for your users 890 00:49:11,761 --> 00:49:17,616 that already invested in their property There's and you can't 891 00:49:17,616 --> 00:49:21,781 resolve all conflicts, but you can try to make it the best you 892 00:49:21,781 --> 00:49:25,148 can if you can move it at least a little bit, 893 00:49:25,148 --> 00:49:27,851 doesn't hurt, you know, because you haven't constructed it. 894 00:49:27,851 --> 00:49:28,351 Yeah. 895 00:49:28,351 --> 00:49:29,874 No, not right. 896 00:49:29,874 --> 00:49:30,406 OK. 897 00:49:30,406 --> 00:49:35,944 Well, so consider and I appreciate it Okay. 898 00:49:35,944 --> 00:49:44,701 That's all I have to I just have to. 899 00:49:44,701 --> 00:49:51,121 Two quick questions One, in the testimony 900 00:49:51,121 --> 00:49:55,531 with the email from mr. Mauer, he 901 00:49:55,531 --> 00:49:59,374 mentions that there was he he liked the idea of paving 902 00:49:59,374 --> 00:50:02,311 the social trail along the river as an alternative to the pathway 903 00:50:02,311 --> 00:50:04,321 through the areas initially proposed. 904 00:50:04,321 --> 00:50:06,301 So can you describe what that initial proposal was 905 00:50:06,301 --> 00:50:10,446 and what was changed that he references in his email on that? 906 00:50:10,446 --> 00:50:12,866 And I'm not sure I'm sorry. 907 00:50:12,866 --> 00:50:13,711 I was to you. 908 00:50:13,711 --> 00:50:16,351 It was to you met the emails to you. 909 00:50:16,351 --> 00:50:20,911 I believe he was talking about this. 910 00:50:20,911 --> 00:50:23,041 So this trail connection on this side 911 00:50:23,041 --> 00:50:27,541 goes down to that barefoot lakes, the peninsula park 912 00:50:27,541 --> 00:50:31,441 with the trails around the lakes that they have down there I 913 00:50:31,441 --> 00:50:33,661 believe that he was mentioning that he would like 914 00:50:33,661 --> 00:50:37,794 to see that that which is currently a gravel 915 00:50:37,794 --> 00:50:39,861 or aggregate trail paved. 916 00:50:39,861 --> 00:50:40,688 OK. 917 00:50:40,688 --> 00:50:45,146 Which would kind of be out of the scope of this project. 918 00:50:45,146 --> 00:50:48,661 I see that he would have preferred that instead 919 00:50:48,661 --> 00:50:50,941 of the trail connection that's shown here 920 00:50:50,941 --> 00:50:53,581 Okay, we got a ridge for it. 921 00:50:53,581 --> 00:50:56,791 So, so with that, were there any other alternatives 922 00:50:56,791 --> 00:50:58,815 proposed in terms of the trail connections 923 00:50:58,815 --> 00:51:01,799 or any other like alternate one, two and three or anything 924 00:51:01,799 --> 00:51:02,299 like that? 925 00:51:02,299 --> 00:51:03,107 No, no, no. 926 00:51:03,107 --> 00:51:03,607 OK. 927 00:51:03,607 --> 00:51:06,709 This is the only one that fits within the criteria of the. 928 00:51:06,709 --> 00:51:11,344 You have to see And then my other question obviously, I'm 929 00:51:11,344 --> 00:51:15,058 not a builder or anything but the top home up there, it 930 00:51:15,058 --> 00:51:18,841 seemed you know, very close to the existing 931 00:51:18,841 --> 00:51:22,381 homes that are built. So i'll just call it the North. 932 00:51:22,381 --> 00:51:25,501 You know, the north, the way west corner 933 00:51:25,501 --> 00:51:29,196 up there is there from a developer effective as a reason 934 00:51:29,196 --> 00:51:31,029 why it wasn't placed on the opposite side. 935 00:51:31,029 --> 00:51:36,805 So there wouldn't be as much of a or as close of a being. 936 00:51:36,805 --> 00:51:39,481 So it wouldn't be as close to that to the home that backs up 937 00:51:39,481 --> 00:51:43,711 to So again, on this one, we are as I'm 938 00:51:43,711 --> 00:51:46,021 kind of threading the needle, there is an easement. 939 00:51:46,021 --> 00:51:48,781 The road actually has an easement just to the you can see 940 00:51:48,781 --> 00:51:50,542 on the right hand side of it. 941 00:51:50,542 --> 00:51:53,791 So that access point is really locked in by that easement 942 00:51:53,791 --> 00:51:56,641 right there of where we need to be at in kind 943 00:51:56,641 --> 00:51:58,891 of the tangent criteria along with also 944 00:51:58,891 --> 00:52:01,801 the plugged in abandoned wells that are over in there. 945 00:52:01,801 --> 00:52:03,391 So really, as we're going through it, 946 00:52:03,391 --> 00:52:06,031 the easement the plugged in abandoned wells, everything kind 947 00:52:06,031 --> 00:52:09,721 of out in the site and then the criteria of the engineering 948 00:52:09,721 --> 00:52:11,592 standards kind of really have. 949 00:52:11,592 --> 00:52:14,131 It's where there's a very specific location 950 00:52:14,131 --> 00:52:16,841 that everything that's in there Okay. 951 00:52:16,841 --> 00:52:17,341 Yeah. 952 00:52:17,341 --> 00:52:19,308 I'm just curious about this is there is so much over there. 953 00:52:19,308 --> 00:52:21,871 I didn't know if there was because of the oil and gas 954 00:52:21,871 --> 00:52:25,981 or if there was just some of the thing that was behind that Okay. 955 00:52:25,981 --> 00:52:26,696 Thank you. 956 00:52:26,696 --> 00:52:28,279 Those are my questions. 957 00:52:28,279 --> 00:52:29,395 Thank you. 958 00:52:29,395 --> 00:52:33,361 So with that are there any type of rebuttals or anything else 959 00:52:33,361 --> 00:52:35,191 that you want to comment on with regards 960 00:52:35,191 --> 00:52:39,457 to the public comment that was received from the applicants ? 961 00:52:39,457 --> 00:52:40,258 So do you want to. 962 00:52:40,258 --> 00:52:41,791 Is there anything that you want to comment on? 963 00:52:41,791 --> 00:52:44,400 What was it for the rebuttal? 964 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,093 Again, just the applicant gets to rebut. 965 00:52:46,093 --> 00:52:46,593 Correct. 966 00:52:46,593 --> 00:52:47,399 Now that those. 967 00:52:47,399 --> 00:52:49,711 No, I was saying anything want to rebut from what 968 00:52:49,711 --> 00:52:51,574 was heard during that. 969 00:52:51,574 --> 00:52:52,256 OK. 970 00:52:52,256 --> 00:52:53,278 Public comment. 971 00:52:53,278 --> 00:52:55,141 And then once the applicant stand, 972 00:52:55,141 --> 00:52:57,091 then you can potentially reopen. 973 00:52:57,091 --> 00:52:58,531 But the motion Correct. 974 00:52:58,531 --> 00:53:01,561 You okay. 975 00:53:01,561 --> 00:53:03,151 That sounds good. 976 00:53:03,151 --> 00:53:04,291 Now, am able to make that motion. 977 00:53:04,291 --> 00:53:06,367 Keith was actually one of the commission members. 978 00:53:06,367 --> 00:53:07,750 Anybody who made the motion. 979 00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:10,951 OK before you do, can i ask one more? 980 00:53:10,951 --> 00:53:16,051 Sure Was there in our packet we got 981 00:53:16,051 --> 00:53:18,841 the email from Mr. Arts to Ms.. 982 00:53:18,841 --> 00:53:22,741 Riser, but I don't see her reply to Mr. Yards. 983 00:53:22,741 --> 00:53:27,751 Yeah we so there was a reply and we also met with Mr. Yards 984 00:53:27,751 --> 00:53:31,411 out Matt and I went out there to the site and walked around 985 00:53:31,411 --> 00:53:35,821 and met him at his, at his fence and we had a conversation 986 00:53:35,821 --> 00:53:37,171 about it as well. 987 00:53:37,171 --> 00:53:39,571 Is there a reason that email reply was 988 00:53:39,571 --> 00:53:41,671 not include it in our packet? 989 00:53:41,671 --> 00:53:44,521 No it's not part of the public comment. 990 00:53:44,521 --> 00:53:46,381 Yeah, that's it's only public comment. 991 00:53:46,381 --> 00:53:49,723 We don't put in correspondence back and forth. 992 00:53:49,723 --> 00:53:50,609 I got you. 993 00:53:50,609 --> 00:53:51,109 OK. 994 00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:58,561 Thank you Right at this time of commission I 995 00:53:58,561 --> 00:54:02,731 would I make a motion to reopen public comment to allow 996 00:54:02,731 --> 00:54:08,011 for the public to address some additional concerns I 997 00:54:08,011 --> 00:54:09,931 second segment, Commissioner hoskins. 998 00:54:09,931 --> 00:54:12,531 All those in favor say Hi. 999 00:54:12,531 --> 00:54:15,481 OK We will reopen the public comment portion of item 1000 00:54:15,481 --> 00:54:17,581 number six, the time is now. 1001 00:54:17,581 --> 00:54:19,981 653. 1002 00:54:19,981 --> 00:54:21,241 Those wishing to make public comments 1003 00:54:21,241 --> 00:54:30,569 may come up one by one Apologize if I seem I get heated I've been 1004 00:54:30,569 --> 00:54:32,812 involved in this in a while, and it's 1005 00:54:32,812 --> 00:54:37,891 pretty you know, intrusive here One thing about when you look 1006 00:54:37,891 --> 00:54:41,311 at the developed meant take a look at the if you look 1007 00:54:41,311 --> 00:54:45,481 at the what they proposed was going to happen when people 1008 00:54:45,481 --> 00:54:49,201 bought the lots it looks just like Ben court 1009 00:54:49,201 --> 00:54:53,371 if you look at it, it's almost identical in scope to Ben Court 1010 00:54:53,371 --> 00:54:56,851 If you go to this photo here and you pull up, 1011 00:54:56,851 --> 00:55:00,361 you can see it's significantly bigger than Ben Court. 1012 00:55:00,361 --> 00:55:04,201 It comes out deeper and it's wider 1013 00:55:04,201 --> 00:55:05,731 And you're right to be concerned. 1014 00:55:05,731 --> 00:55:07,561 It's awful close to those houses over there. 1015 00:55:07,561 --> 00:55:12,735 I live over here on the other part of the sidewalk One 1016 00:55:12,735 --> 00:55:14,750 thing I want to point out, they already 1017 00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:17,305 covered the maximum cliff. 1018 00:55:17,305 --> 00:55:17,971 Appreciate it. 1019 00:55:17,971 --> 00:55:20,371 Is a cliff out there and they probably can't fit a ten foot 1020 00:55:20,371 --> 00:55:23,341 sidewalk because there's not enough room between my fence 1021 00:55:23,341 --> 00:55:28,501 line and the cliff It's not going to do a lot 1022 00:55:28,501 --> 00:55:30,511 to help the social traffic. 1023 00:55:30,511 --> 00:55:33,721 So what happens is in that green space, 1024 00:55:33,721 --> 00:55:37,741 there are about Four dog owners who are Bird Dogs owners. 1025 00:55:37,741 --> 00:55:40,455 About once a week, they take their dogs down 1026 00:55:40,455 --> 00:55:43,591 in that green space and they let them run and chase, 1027 00:55:43,591 --> 00:55:48,061 you know, coyotes and birds and whatever. 1028 00:55:48,061 --> 00:55:51,601 So that's really not going to help much as far as that goes, 1029 00:55:51,601 --> 00:55:55,111 which is why I thought maybe if you put a trail through there 1030 00:55:55,111 --> 00:55:58,171 in that connected you know, I know it's an expense 1031 00:55:58,171 --> 00:55:59,791 and maybe it has to be a raised wooden deck 1032 00:55:59,791 --> 00:56:02,161 or whatever that be concerned. 1033 00:56:02,161 --> 00:56:05,191 But the bigger concern is, is if you go around 1034 00:56:05,191 --> 00:56:07,711 and they talk retaining walls, if you keep walking 1035 00:56:07,711 --> 00:56:11,582 that all the way around there's houses as cove 1036 00:56:11,582 --> 00:56:15,421 goes through that exact retaining wall, was there. 1037 00:56:15,421 --> 00:56:19,831 They have that sidewalk They've taken it about 40ft away from 1038 00:56:19,831 --> 00:56:23,881 the fence line, down the slope And that 1039 00:56:23,881 --> 00:56:25,561 sidewalk goes in and there's a retaining 1040 00:56:25,561 --> 00:56:27,541 walls already built there. 1041 00:56:27,541 --> 00:56:29,881 Now, I understand that they want to avoid 1042 00:56:29,881 --> 00:56:32,251 the cost of a retaining wall, but they're 1043 00:56:32,251 --> 00:56:33,421 not considering the homeowners. 1044 00:56:33,421 --> 00:56:36,901 And it's not just meters About 4 or 5 of us right there. 1045 00:56:36,901 --> 00:56:37,741 None of them are here. 1046 00:56:37,741 --> 00:56:39,991 There are other things, but I know 1047 00:56:39,991 --> 00:56:43,141 they have the exact same concerns as we do. 1048 00:56:43,141 --> 00:56:44,161 But it can't be done. 1049 00:56:44,161 --> 00:56:45,391 It's just an expense. 1050 00:56:45,391 --> 00:56:47,851 But i mean, what's the value of my house 1051 00:56:47,851 --> 00:56:50,731 going to be when now there's a public sidewalk there? 1052 00:56:50,731 --> 00:56:55,111 If they would move that 20ft away, 1053 00:56:55,111 --> 00:56:59,911 it takes it down about six feet below grade where 1054 00:56:59,911 --> 00:57:01,561 they've got the retaining wall. 1055 00:57:01,561 --> 00:57:04,171 My privacy is not impacted at all. 1056 00:57:04,171 --> 00:57:06,721 I can sit on my back door, my back porch, 1057 00:57:06,721 --> 00:57:08,791 and if I see the top of somebody's head, 1058 00:57:08,791 --> 00:57:10,681 maybe I hear a dog bark. 1059 00:57:10,681 --> 00:57:15,151 Maybe But it's way down there and maybe a little more cost. 1060 00:57:15,151 --> 00:57:17,341 But I know me and the rest of the homeowners 1061 00:57:17,341 --> 00:57:20,251 will walk away happy and feel like we've not been 1062 00:57:20,251 --> 00:57:23,741 wronged So that's all I've got. 1063 00:57:23,741 --> 00:57:24,241 Thank you. 1064 00:57:24,241 --> 00:57:33,221 I'm thinking of album. 1065 00:57:33,221 --> 00:57:33,721 Hi. 1066 00:57:33,721 --> 00:57:36,793 My name's Linda Kane and I live in Been caught 1067 00:57:36,793 --> 00:57:39,313 one, 2, six, nine, eight. 1068 00:57:39,313 --> 00:57:42,331 And that squiggle path is on one side of my property 1069 00:57:42,331 --> 00:57:45,571 and then the other one is on the other side. 1070 00:57:45,571 --> 00:57:49,261 So I'm really going to be impacted by that trail now. 1071 00:57:49,261 --> 00:57:51,451 And as far as there being a social trail, 1072 00:57:51,451 --> 00:57:53,971 I've lived in the house a year and a half. 1073 00:57:53,971 --> 00:57:58,441 I've seen De'Aaron Fox's One teenage boy 1074 00:57:58,441 --> 00:58:00,691 and the gardeners, the landscape people, 1075 00:58:00,691 --> 00:58:03,781 there is no traffic behind my house. 1076 00:58:03,781 --> 00:58:05,521 I have a big dog He would let me know 1077 00:58:05,521 --> 00:58:07,771 if I'm missing something You know, 1078 00:58:07,771 --> 00:58:09,871 it's a deer trail It's not. 1079 00:58:09,871 --> 00:58:12,121 People don't use it. 1080 00:58:12,121 --> 00:58:14,452 We've been on, you know, I've been in the house a year 1081 00:58:14,452 --> 00:58:15,068 and a half. 1082 00:58:15,068 --> 00:58:16,651 And no one, I've been caught seems 1083 00:58:16,651 --> 00:58:19,776 to be hurting because we don't have access down that way. 1084 00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:20,893 We just walk. 1085 00:58:20,893 --> 00:58:23,341 Other directions I don't understand 1086 00:58:23,341 --> 00:58:27,994 why all of a sudden our cul de sac has to be impacted. 1087 00:58:27,994 --> 00:58:31,321 So much by this trail. 1088 00:58:31,321 --> 00:58:35,491 And people who go off trail are still going to do it You know, 1089 00:58:35,491 --> 00:58:38,431 the trail isn't there doing it for other reasons. 1090 00:58:38,431 --> 00:58:43,021 You know and we paid a lot premiums 1091 00:58:43,021 --> 00:58:45,631 for this view of nothing. 1092 00:58:45,631 --> 00:58:50,881 And now it'll be people Mine was $50,000. 1093 00:58:50,881 --> 00:58:51,631 That was my lot. 1094 00:58:51,631 --> 00:58:56,461 Premium And they said someday they might build there. 1095 00:58:56,461 --> 00:58:59,191 Maybe in 30 years. 1096 00:58:59,191 --> 00:59:01,471 This has been a year and a half. 1097 00:59:01,471 --> 00:59:08,761 So it really this is going to affect quite a few of us 1098 00:59:08,761 --> 00:59:14,551 Why does why so many houses in such a small area 1099 00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:20,191 The people on cove, if there were if they put in like five 1100 00:59:20,191 --> 00:59:22,261 houses, maybe people would still have 1101 00:59:22,261 --> 00:59:25,561 a section of view left instead of losing 1102 00:59:25,561 --> 00:59:27,841 completely their mountain view. 1103 00:59:27,841 --> 00:59:32,971 The Sunset View But to cram that many houses in there you know, 1104 00:59:32,971 --> 00:59:35,905 and who's to say how much view anyone would have left. 1105 00:59:35,905 --> 00:59:37,870 But these people love their homes. 1106 00:59:37,870 --> 00:59:39,901 We spend a lot of money landscaping. 1107 00:59:39,901 --> 00:59:42,661 We have these private backyards where we see deer. 1108 00:59:42,661 --> 00:59:43,861 I see deer. 1109 00:59:43,861 --> 00:59:46,381 And I don't know that I'll ever see them again. 1110 00:59:46,381 --> 00:59:48,211 Once this is done. 1111 00:59:48,211 --> 00:59:51,421 Thank you Thank you, Linda. 1112 00:59:51,421 --> 00:59:55,681 Just one point of clarification Haitian is meant Oh, 1113 00:59:55,681 --> 01:00:00,841 can you pull that back up or do we have to hold on, hold on 1114 01:00:00,841 --> 01:00:05,611 again for the record let's just get through the public comment 1115 01:00:05,611 --> 01:00:09,871 and then sorry, after the public comment staff and the applicant 1116 01:00:09,871 --> 01:00:19,651 have yet another opportunity to respond Thank you again, 1117 01:00:19,651 --> 01:00:20,351 Steve trunk. 1118 01:00:20,351 --> 01:00:21,951 One, 2, seven, ten. 1119 01:00:21,951 --> 01:00:24,931 Been caught What I for some reason 1120 01:00:24,931 --> 01:00:29,101 I didn't understand the little squiggly 1121 01:00:29,101 --> 01:00:30,841 you know the lombards street if you 1122 01:00:30,841 --> 01:00:36,781 would up there that comes down between my house and another 1123 01:00:36,781 --> 01:00:37,321 house here. 1124 01:00:37,321 --> 01:00:40,621 There's no there's no benefit to somebody that 1125 01:00:40,621 --> 01:00:42,061 would be in that cul de sac. 1126 01:00:42,061 --> 01:00:45,751 I don't know why anyone would come off that trail if they were 1127 01:00:45,751 --> 01:00:48,841 going to the pool or well, where else 1128 01:00:48,841 --> 01:00:53,641 they would go up that serpentine trail head there. 1129 01:00:53,641 --> 01:00:57,933 And I don't know if that was a requirement 1130 01:00:57,933 --> 01:00:59,570 It's not shown on the plan. 1131 01:00:59,570 --> 01:01:01,171 That's actually not part of the plan. 1132 01:01:01,171 --> 01:01:07,471 So this is not shown on their plan Okay. 1133 01:01:07,471 --> 01:01:09,061 What's that We need the right. 1134 01:01:09,061 --> 01:01:12,563 But that's it's not actually on the plan right now Right. 1135 01:01:12,563 --> 01:01:15,511 So now I'm a little more confused. 1136 01:01:15,511 --> 01:01:18,494 Is is it on the plan that's proposed? 1137 01:01:18,494 --> 01:01:19,051 I think yeah. 1138 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:21,066 Once once we finish the public comment, 1139 01:01:21,066 --> 01:01:23,971 then we'll have staff address that and kind of clarify 1140 01:01:23,971 --> 01:01:25,651 because if that's not on the plan, 1141 01:01:25,651 --> 01:01:30,091 then that's not an issue that is currently nobody 1142 01:01:30,091 --> 01:01:32,521 uses that there except for to walk 1143 01:01:32,521 --> 01:01:36,163 a dog down from our neighborhood and you wouldn't go. 1144 01:01:36,163 --> 01:01:38,867 If you're going to the pool you use the lower one. 1145 01:01:38,867 --> 01:01:42,151 But again, most people when they go into the pool 1146 01:01:42,151 --> 01:01:44,041 have other means of transportation 1147 01:01:44,041 --> 01:01:47,041 or walk wagons with their stuff in. 1148 01:01:47,041 --> 01:01:47,761 Thank you. 1149 01:01:47,761 --> 01:01:50,701 Thanks to you Appreciate it. 1150 01:01:50,701 --> 01:01:52,711 Was there anyone else that had public 1151 01:01:52,711 --> 01:01:56,195 comment during this time ? 1152 01:01:56,195 --> 01:01:56,744 OK. 1153 01:01:56,744 --> 01:02:03,811 So I will now close this portion of the public comment. 1154 01:02:03,811 --> 01:02:08,718 And now move on again to deliberation and/or excuse me, 1155 01:02:08,718 --> 01:02:10,351 two questions. 1156 01:02:10,351 --> 01:02:13,291 Staff Would you like to address anything that came up 1157 01:02:13,291 --> 01:02:17,821 during the public comment, such as the the squiggly trails that 1158 01:02:17,821 --> 01:02:21,482 was brought up and any other concerns 1159 01:02:21,482 --> 01:02:23,371 Yeah, I have to correct myself. 1160 01:02:23,371 --> 01:02:24,451 Again, I apologize. 1161 01:02:24,451 --> 01:02:28,111 It is shown on the most recent submittal of the city's 1162 01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:34,021 This squiggly line as well as and those, as you mentioned, 1163 01:02:34,021 --> 01:02:38,371 were so are required to the FDC says when 1164 01:02:38,371 --> 01:02:42,161 you have a 30 foot track like this that it 1165 01:02:42,161 --> 01:02:44,690 should have the trail in it. 1166 01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:47,631 And the reason it wasn't done previously. 1167 01:02:47,631 --> 01:02:51,905 Again was because of the oil and gas at the time 1168 01:02:51,905 --> 01:02:53,607 it was currently there. 1169 01:02:53,607 --> 01:02:57,774 Yeah In the comments from staff with regards 1170 01:02:57,774 --> 01:02:58,937 to public testimony. 1171 01:02:58,937 --> 01:02:59,519 No. 1172 01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:02,793 Does the applicant have any responses to public testimony? 1173 01:03:02,793 --> 01:03:11,881 We just heard So for delivery, are there any other questions 1174 01:03:11,881 --> 01:03:14,521 that come up with this next? 1175 01:03:14,521 --> 01:03:16,591 Yes, Commissioner, you. 1176 01:03:16,591 --> 01:03:21,121 So the squiggly line obviously brings it closer 1177 01:03:21,121 --> 01:03:22,861 to the homes on either side. 1178 01:03:22,861 --> 01:03:25,741 Can it be a straight line that just goes up the middle 1179 01:03:25,741 --> 01:03:31,321 and maximizes the distance from the homes I can answer that one. 1180 01:03:31,321 --> 01:03:33,751 So yes, I prefer to be a straight line, 1181 01:03:33,751 --> 01:03:36,031 but what it is, is we're trying to meet ADA requirement 1182 01:03:36,031 --> 01:03:39,691 It's so what it is is that's the maximum grade that we can have. 1183 01:03:39,691 --> 01:03:40,861 That is a steep slope. 1184 01:03:40,861 --> 01:03:42,391 Those are walk out homes along there. 1185 01:03:42,391 --> 01:03:45,601 So the steep slope, we have to get enough run on it just 1186 01:03:45,601 --> 01:03:47,191 like a mountain pass or switchbacks 1187 01:03:47,191 --> 01:03:48,481 That's what we're doing on that. 1188 01:03:48,481 --> 01:03:51,001 So we try to make it the shortest 1189 01:03:51,001 --> 01:03:52,861 length we could possibly be. 1190 01:03:52,861 --> 01:03:55,357 And still meet ADA requirements on it. 1191 01:03:55,357 --> 01:03:55,993 Gotcha. 1192 01:03:55,993 --> 01:04:06,271 OK Thank you It's from the commissioners All right. 1193 01:04:06,271 --> 01:04:09,571 So there'd be no further testimony or questions. 1194 01:04:09,571 --> 01:04:11,971 The public hearing is now closed. 1195 01:04:11,971 --> 01:04:15,001 The time is 703. 1196 01:04:15,001 --> 01:04:16,580 And so at this time the commission 1197 01:04:16,580 --> 01:04:22,051 will deliberate what we've heard and for any comments or feedback 1198 01:04:22,051 --> 01:04:27,152 on this proposal So over here any comments and deliberations 1199 01:04:27,152 --> 01:04:38,131 So initially, Mr. Young any comments and deliberation of I 1200 01:04:38,131 --> 01:04:42,913 would have a question for the attorney 1201 01:04:42,913 --> 01:04:47,971 As far as the premium that is not the Commission's concern, 1202 01:04:47,971 --> 01:04:49,021 is that correct? 1203 01:04:49,021 --> 01:04:52,651 No nor are any statements or promises 1204 01:04:52,651 --> 01:04:57,445 that were made by Third parties to purchasers of lots outside. 1205 01:04:57,445 --> 01:05:03,541 And that's because it's outside our purview is it? 1206 01:05:03,541 --> 01:05:06,191 because it's irrelevant to the code criteria Right. 1207 01:05:06,191 --> 01:05:06,691 Okay. 1208 01:05:06,691 --> 01:05:23,191 I just want to make sure folks understand that Thank you for i 1209 01:05:23,191 --> 01:05:25,591 don't have any further comments, bye. 1210 01:05:25,591 --> 01:05:29,731 Do appreciate what the planners have done as far as I'm really 1211 01:05:29,731 --> 01:05:33,181 glad to see the extent we pursue the, 1212 01:05:33,181 --> 01:05:36,211 you know, the abandoned bit of oil pipelines 1213 01:05:36,211 --> 01:05:40,021 and buried, things like that, We had that bad accident down by us 1214 01:05:40,021 --> 01:05:44,911 And so I appreciate the new rules and the things that would 1215 01:05:44,911 --> 01:05:48,361 help us We're always going to be stuck 1216 01:05:48,361 --> 01:05:51,391 with developments that are tight because we're 1217 01:05:51,391 --> 01:05:52,771 running out of water. 1218 01:05:52,771 --> 01:05:54,898 You you know, sewer and everything else. 1219 01:05:54,898 --> 01:06:04,220 And water So keep doing the best job you can Guys appreciate it 1220 01:06:04,220 --> 01:06:09,217 It will say it's it's certainly kind of a balancing between you 1221 01:06:09,217 --> 01:06:12,931 know, being able to allow the developers to develop 1222 01:06:12,931 --> 01:06:16,538 and making some accommodations with lowering the site lowering 1223 01:06:16,538 --> 01:06:17,671 the grade, trying to get that down 1224 01:06:17,671 --> 01:06:23,983 a little bit to try to minimize the impact 1225 01:06:23,983 --> 01:06:25,693 although not fully right. 1226 01:06:25,693 --> 01:06:29,341 With regards to the views, especially 1227 01:06:29,341 --> 01:06:32,551 for others be for staff or maybe for you, Keith. 1228 01:06:32,551 --> 01:06:36,799 But if we were to as a commission 1229 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,105 say we'd like to make a recommendation. 1230 01:06:39,105 --> 01:06:40,853 And that that trail is moved. 1231 01:06:40,853 --> 01:06:42,629 And then require whatever is needed for that, 1232 01:06:42,629 --> 01:06:44,491 is that something that we're able to do as part 1233 01:06:44,491 --> 01:06:47,281 of a recommendation to the board as far 1234 01:06:47,281 --> 01:06:48,471 as like amending everything? 1235 01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:49,151 OK. 1236 01:06:49,151 --> 01:06:54,091 Of course I mean, again, it's going to require consensus 1237 01:06:54,091 --> 01:06:56,396 So a majority vote. 1238 01:06:56,396 --> 01:06:58,416 But is that is that mean. 1239 01:06:58,416 --> 01:07:01,351 Like a motion to amend the proposal 1240 01:07:01,351 --> 01:07:03,698 or kind of what is that would that process is there. 1241 01:07:03,698 --> 01:07:06,119 I mean, we could Yeah I mean, what if it what it would look 1242 01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:06,619 like. 1243 01:07:06,619 --> 01:07:10,053 I think is you know it if I'm reading 1244 01:07:10,053 --> 01:07:11,207 the tea leaves correctly. 1245 01:07:11,207 --> 01:07:13,771 And I hope I am you know what I would 1246 01:07:13,771 --> 01:07:17,251 suggest is that there first be a main motion 1247 01:07:17,251 --> 01:07:19,271 to approve the resolution. 1248 01:07:19,271 --> 01:07:23,911 And then there's a secondary motion to amend. 1249 01:07:23,911 --> 01:07:25,711 So a motion to amend the resolution 1250 01:07:25,711 --> 01:07:30,781 to include the following condition of approval 1251 01:07:30,781 --> 01:07:34,471 And then you can vote on that And then 1252 01:07:34,471 --> 01:07:36,511 depending on how that goes, then you can vote 1253 01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:40,261 on the resolution as amended. 1254 01:07:40,261 --> 01:07:40,981 Does that make sense? 1255 01:07:40,981 --> 01:07:41,481 It does. 1256 01:07:41,481 --> 01:07:44,191 And upon the upon the motion, then we 1257 01:07:44,191 --> 01:07:46,002 could have a discussion about the motion 1258 01:07:46,002 --> 01:07:47,837 before we actually vote on the motion. 1259 01:07:47,837 --> 01:07:48,337 Correct? 1260 01:07:48,337 --> 01:07:53,851 OK Yeah Motion, I think. 1261 01:07:53,851 --> 01:07:56,821 How how I would word that I guess we could deliberate it. 1262 01:07:56,821 --> 01:07:59,041 Like as far as I don't know what the requirement would, 1263 01:07:59,041 --> 01:08:00,813 I was what I'm trying to require. 1264 01:08:00,813 --> 01:08:02,320 And that's or ask for it. 1265 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,861 But well, what i would say is I mean, 1266 01:08:04,861 --> 01:08:07,141 I would recommend that you say, do you have a motion 1267 01:08:07,141 --> 01:08:10,171 to approve resolution 26? 1268 01:08:10,171 --> 01:08:13,801 Oh, Do seconded Okay. 1269 01:08:13,801 --> 01:08:16,171 Do I have do I have a motion to amend 1270 01:08:16,171 --> 01:08:18,871 or you know, but some would like to make a motion 1271 01:08:18,871 --> 01:08:22,281 to amend resolution PCO2. 1272 01:08:22,281 --> 01:08:25,241 And I can try to help with whatever 1273 01:08:25,241 --> 01:08:26,713 that amendment looks like. 1274 01:08:26,713 --> 01:08:27,213 OK. 1275 01:08:27,213 --> 01:08:29,731 So once we discuss the motion to discuss that Okay, 1276 01:08:29,731 --> 01:08:33,892 exactly right Sounds good. 1277 01:08:33,892 --> 01:08:34,392 All right. 1278 01:08:34,392 --> 01:08:35,941 Any other thumbs for deliberation 1279 01:08:35,941 --> 01:08:38,551 before I very close all right. 1280 01:08:38,551 --> 01:08:40,081 So at this time, I will enter into the record 1281 01:08:40,081 --> 01:08:43,411 the staff member on attachments in the agenda packet. 1282 01:08:43,411 --> 01:08:45,548 As we stated before. 1283 01:08:45,548 --> 01:08:53,251 Okay I have a motion on p c resolution 2602. 1284 01:08:53,251 --> 01:08:55,171 I request that we approve. 1285 01:08:55,171 --> 01:08:59,971 I move that we approve resolu ocean PC 20 6-02 1286 01:08:59,971 --> 01:09:04,693 and seconded by Commissioner Sutton Roll call, 1287 01:09:04,693 --> 01:09:07,236 please don't do it. 1288 01:09:07,236 --> 01:09:08,629 So don't do so. 1289 01:09:08,629 --> 01:09:12,601 If OK so if you want to if you want to potentially debate 1290 01:09:12,601 --> 01:09:15,901 the addition of any condition to the resolution, 1291 01:09:15,901 --> 01:09:17,221 then now's your time. 1292 01:09:17,221 --> 01:09:22,081 And then if that debate flows into someone making a motion 1293 01:09:22,081 --> 01:09:24,087 when she formulated with that additional language 1294 01:09:24,087 --> 01:09:25,954 is going to be that's when you would make the move Okay. 1295 01:09:25,954 --> 01:09:28,151 When you said approved, the first one, that's why I was I 1296 01:09:28,151 --> 01:09:29,551 thought we were going to have we got this. 1297 01:09:29,551 --> 01:09:30,051 OK. 1298 01:09:30,051 --> 01:09:31,021 We got to get that. 1299 01:09:31,021 --> 01:09:34,193 You're okay So I had. 1300 01:09:34,193 --> 01:09:37,381 So the first was from Commissioner lee and then second 1301 01:09:37,381 --> 01:09:42,001 from commissioners I'm correct at this time would like 1302 01:09:42,001 --> 01:09:48,631 to motion for is a an amendment to resolution pC 1303 01:09:48,631 --> 01:09:53,221 or an amendment to p C resolution 2602, 1304 01:09:53,221 --> 01:09:58,801 which would allow for the extension of the buffer 1305 01:09:58,801 --> 01:10:04,231 between sidewalk and residents homes 1306 01:10:04,231 --> 01:10:07,621 to have a a second for that motion. 1307 01:10:07,621 --> 01:10:13,203 Also seconded by Commissioner Young So for discussion 1308 01:10:13,203 --> 01:10:16,638 wise I mean, I think we've heard pretty clearly that there are 1309 01:10:16,638 --> 01:10:19,981 concerns with regards to the trail being put in itself 1310 01:10:19,981 --> 01:10:23,611 We've heard from the residents We've also 1311 01:10:23,611 --> 01:10:25,531 heard from the applicant that there 1312 01:10:25,531 --> 01:10:30,313 are going to be a potentially significant cost to do that. 1313 01:10:30,313 --> 01:10:35,641 And some concerns about existing existing look and style right. 1314 01:10:35,641 --> 01:10:37,621 With the surrounding community. 1315 01:10:37,621 --> 01:10:40,561 But we've also heard that there are other portions where that is 1316 01:10:40,561 --> 01:10:43,741 already in place So I think as a commission, 1317 01:10:43,741 --> 01:10:46,111 we could balance some of these concerns the best we can 1318 01:10:46,111 --> 01:10:48,931 We can't do much about the homes themselves, 1319 01:10:48,931 --> 01:10:53,611 but trying to create additional buffer to help maintain 1320 01:10:53,611 --> 01:10:56,921 and preserve the intent of when these individuals purchase 1321 01:10:56,921 --> 01:10:57,421 their homes. 1322 01:10:57,421 --> 01:11:00,415 So are there any questions or comments. 1323 01:11:00,415 --> 01:11:02,821 And commissioners has about that? 1324 01:11:02,821 --> 01:11:05,371 No, I'm well, I guess I'm wondering 1325 01:11:05,371 --> 01:11:12,181 do we have to be specific as to how much buffer in the amendment 1326 01:11:12,181 --> 01:11:14,401 I think that would help a lot. 1327 01:11:14,401 --> 01:11:16,981 I mean, I understand that. 1328 01:11:16,981 --> 01:11:20,131 I understand where you're going, but i mean, 1329 01:11:20,131 --> 01:11:23,919 I think to give not only staff, but also the applicant, 1330 01:11:23,919 --> 01:11:26,131 the right the ability to try and formulate what 1331 01:11:26,131 --> 01:11:27,541 that looks like as I just didn't know 1332 01:11:27,541 --> 01:11:29,954 what it would be ahead of time. 1333 01:11:29,954 --> 01:11:32,045 So if you're able to assist with what 1334 01:11:32,045 --> 01:11:34,781 that buffer could be because I'm not right. 1335 01:11:34,781 --> 01:11:35,281 Yeah. 1336 01:11:35,281 --> 01:11:35,521 Thank you. 1337 01:11:35,521 --> 01:11:36,021 I can. 1338 01:11:36,021 --> 01:11:37,556 So let's see how it goes. 1339 01:11:37,556 --> 01:11:38,360 And we'll get it. 1340 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,456 And can move will develop it organically. 1341 01:11:40,456 --> 01:11:43,081 And then we'll, we'll sort out the current. 1342 01:11:43,081 --> 01:11:50,941 But for now is i don't recall if I made a note in the sidewalk 1343 01:11:50,941 --> 01:12:01,651 and the home I believe it was ten feet behind is that correct 1344 01:12:01,651 --> 01:12:03,212 All I remember is 20ft from my back door 1345 01:12:03,212 --> 01:12:06,421 and it's that's why I'm remembering 1346 01:12:06,421 --> 01:12:08,581 the 26ft from the back door. 1347 01:12:08,581 --> 01:12:09,451 That's correct Correct. 1348 01:12:09,451 --> 01:12:11,701 Where where you're looking at, there's 1349 01:12:11,701 --> 01:12:14,971 a 25 foot sanitary easement along the back of the houses 1350 01:12:14,971 --> 01:12:18,991 along Cove Street And the trail meanders It's mostly 1351 01:12:18,991 --> 01:12:20,761 within that 25 foot easement. 1352 01:12:20,761 --> 01:12:21,961 But right up against it. 1353 01:12:21,961 --> 01:12:26,851 So I would say that trail is is 15 to 20ft 1354 01:12:26,851 --> 01:12:30,721 from the rear lot line of those houses along not coastal Right. 1355 01:12:30,721 --> 01:12:31,411 I'm sorry. 1356 01:12:31,411 --> 01:12:32,912 Or is that cove in Pam? 1357 01:12:32,912 --> 01:12:35,281 Is there is there a different is there a different map 1358 01:12:35,281 --> 01:12:36,721 or maybe more like a top view that we 1359 01:12:36,721 --> 01:12:38,821 could see for that Yeah, sure. 1360 01:12:38,821 --> 01:12:40,621 We can pull up the you know, something? 1361 01:12:40,621 --> 01:12:43,531 Just a a page hope that one of the presentations. 1362 01:12:43,531 --> 01:12:44,251 What's this? 1363 01:12:44,251 --> 01:12:46,231 I guess it would be helpful to know what's 1364 01:12:46,231 --> 01:12:52,000 the smallest buffer in the can The narrowest 1365 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,941 land in the narrowest part. 1366 01:12:53,941 --> 01:12:58,531 Yeah And maybe require that it be a minimum 1367 01:12:58,531 --> 01:13:26,333 throughout 60 meters Yeah. 1368 01:13:26,333 --> 01:13:47,671 Yeah So you know between pull that now so we 1369 01:13:47,671 --> 01:13:53,199 don't have the ability to get that on the screen 1370 01:13:53,199 --> 01:14:06,761 so we don't know what we're still deliberating right. 1371 01:14:06,761 --> 01:14:07,261 Yeah. 1372 01:14:07,261 --> 01:14:10,351 It looks like you without considering the squiggly trail 1373 01:14:10,351 --> 01:14:12,241 between the homes because that can't really be 1374 01:14:12,241 --> 01:14:15,594 moved the closest the edge of trail 1375 01:14:15,594 --> 01:14:18,227 is to a rear lot about 10.5ft. 1376 01:14:18,227 --> 01:14:18,958 Okay. 1377 01:14:18,958 --> 01:14:19,689 10.5ft. 1378 01:14:19,689 --> 01:14:20,420 OK. 1379 01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:24,061 And it ranges up to about 20ft to some of those houses 1380 01:14:24,061 --> 01:14:25,381 along Cove Street where it's right 1381 01:14:25,381 --> 01:14:26,761 up against the edge of that. 1382 01:14:26,761 --> 01:14:32,611 So So we could do in amendment of a minimum of 15 or 17. 1383 01:14:32,611 --> 01:14:35,503 Yeah And once we can we get the image back up, 1384 01:14:35,503 --> 01:14:43,411 please Because in that image there is the one, 1385 01:14:43,411 --> 01:14:45,432 there was like a home where it was basically like right 1386 01:14:45,432 --> 01:14:47,034 on the lot line look like. 1387 01:14:47,034 --> 01:14:50,043 I don't know if that's the ten feet that you're mentioning 1388 01:14:50,043 --> 01:14:53,658 that once it pulls back up on that 1389 01:14:53,658 --> 01:14:55,591 was different than the homes that we talked about tonight. 1390 01:14:55,591 --> 01:15:00,279 But i think we're going to think we're working on pulling up 1391 01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:02,491 a document to present to the commission that has 1392 01:15:02,491 --> 01:15:03,863 actually accurate measurements. 1393 01:15:03,863 --> 01:15:04,363 OK. 1394 01:15:04,363 --> 01:15:05,069 Thank you. 1395 01:15:05,069 --> 01:15:05,775 You're welcome. 1396 01:15:05,775 --> 01:15:07,981 While we wait for that does anyone else have 1397 01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:10,561 some any comments they want to make as we're deliberating 1398 01:15:10,561 --> 01:15:14,251 with the only other comment I'll make is, is this just a reminder 1399 01:15:14,251 --> 01:15:17,401 to everyone that it was mentioned that it was originally 1400 01:15:17,401 --> 01:15:22,291 platted for 58 units and that it is now currently 11 1401 01:15:22,291 --> 01:15:28,861 and that is somewhat some relief to the adjoining 1402 01:15:28,861 --> 01:15:30,267 to the existing homes. 1403 01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:31,111 Appreciate it. 1404 01:15:31,111 --> 01:15:34,021 Wasn't platted for 58 units that they have 1405 01:15:34,021 --> 01:15:37,051 58 units available in filing five 1406 01:15:37,051 --> 01:15:39,031 that they could have potential built. 1407 01:15:39,031 --> 01:15:42,671 But they never proposed 58 units on that property. 1408 01:15:42,671 --> 01:15:43,171 No. 1409 01:15:43,171 --> 01:15:43,681 Right. 1410 01:15:43,681 --> 01:15:51,901 But that's but they could have Yeah You know, 70 1411 01:15:51,901 --> 01:15:57,001 any comments on the the trails or what we're debating currently 1412 01:15:57,001 --> 01:16:00,661 Do you agree with the proposal or we or you think it's asking 1413 01:16:00,661 --> 01:16:04,368 too much more than ten on your turn on your mic 1414 01:16:04,368 --> 01:16:05,956 and you could speak into it. 1415 01:16:05,956 --> 01:16:12,661 Well, we got to get you recorded and I don't know if that's 1416 01:16:12,661 --> 01:16:14,971 above our pay grade, but I kind of feel for them 1417 01:16:14,971 --> 01:16:16,441 if I paid this lot premium. 1418 01:16:16,441 --> 01:16:17,941 I know that's kind of not part of it, 1419 01:16:17,941 --> 01:16:21,781 but now I've got this trail right up against my property 1420 01:16:21,781 --> 01:16:23,701 and I've got people walking by all the time. 1421 01:16:23,701 --> 01:16:28,141 I mean I feel a little cheated. 1422 01:16:28,141 --> 01:16:37,261 We well, premium or not, I think privacy that there can be I 1423 01:16:37,261 --> 01:16:39,391 think I think they've made it clear that it 1424 01:16:39,391 --> 01:16:44,071 can be that this was the plan without any additional 1425 01:16:44,071 --> 01:16:45,061 modification. 1426 01:16:45,061 --> 01:16:46,051 Yeah. 1427 01:16:46,051 --> 01:16:48,736 So this may conflict things. 1428 01:16:48,736 --> 01:16:51,321 But I think in the long run for residents. 1429 01:16:51,321 --> 01:16:56,494 I agree that it's the right thing. 1430 01:16:56,494 --> 01:17:00,451 And we're the code says wherever possible It 1431 01:17:00,451 --> 01:17:05,441 doesn't say in the easiest way possible or the least expensive 1432 01:17:05,441 --> 01:17:05,941 or. 1433 01:17:05,941 --> 01:17:08,971 That's a good point So I do think 1434 01:17:08,971 --> 01:17:14,011 that almost all of the new subdivisions have panels 1435 01:17:14,011 --> 01:17:17,281 and they are all I know you have a minimum. 1436 01:17:17,281 --> 01:17:21,631 I know ours has a setback of here. 1437 01:17:21,631 --> 01:17:24,451 Probably only about 15ft. 1438 01:17:24,451 --> 01:17:28,591 And so now everybody knew that that was going in there 1439 01:17:28,591 --> 01:17:33,211 and maybe that's the difference is you know, because that's 1440 01:17:33,211 --> 01:17:39,301 a really difficult thing to say when you 1441 01:17:39,301 --> 01:17:43,321 if somebody is telling you that it's not going in there, then. 1442 01:17:43,321 --> 01:17:46,981 But that is, again you know, it was on the final plat 1443 01:17:46,981 --> 01:17:51,211 and that's kind of we had that same problem where they were 1444 01:17:51,211 --> 01:17:54,691 like, some of that information's not really easy to find 1445 01:17:54,691 --> 01:17:58,021 when you're purchasing true. 1446 01:17:58,021 --> 01:18:03,325 Well, I find disclosures to be I come from North Carolina, 1447 01:18:03,325 --> 01:18:05,941 where disclosures have to be so thorough Yeah. 1448 01:18:05,941 --> 01:18:08,521 And they're better here than other places. 1449 01:18:08,521 --> 01:18:12,271 But not as good as they could be Yeah, I 1450 01:18:12,271 --> 01:18:14,491 think we're having some technical difficulties, bye. 1451 01:18:14,491 --> 01:18:18,571 Think Pam Howard can make is looking at plans 1452 01:18:18,571 --> 01:18:20,911 and has done measurements and can make and represent 1453 01:18:20,911 --> 01:18:24,885 tatian right now about Oak about that 1454 01:18:24,885 --> 01:18:29,071 to help you or at least inform your decision on what 1455 01:18:29,071 --> 01:18:30,481 an adequate buffer would be. 1456 01:18:30,481 --> 01:18:31,141 Okay. 1457 01:18:31,141 --> 01:18:31,691 Thank you. 1458 01:18:31,691 --> 01:18:32,191 Yeah. 1459 01:18:32,191 --> 01:18:35,461 So again, ignoring the squiggly trail between the lots because 1460 01:18:35,461 --> 01:18:39,841 of the aDA issue, the cul de sac homes at the end of 1461 01:18:39,841 --> 01:18:43,604 and I was that, can we see it on the map? 1462 01:18:43,604 --> 01:18:50,791 Yeah so Yeah so we have the point to the can 1463 01:18:50,791 --> 01:18:53,917 we see the other picture that we've been looking at them. 1464 01:18:53,917 --> 01:18:58,370 I mean, this is probably it's a more thorough guide 1465 01:18:58,370 --> 01:18:59,643 to better accurate. 1466 01:18:59,643 --> 01:19:01,873 So ignoring the squiggly right here. 1467 01:19:01,873 --> 01:19:06,751 These two kind of corner points of these two cul de sac lots. 1468 01:19:06,751 --> 01:19:09,121 This one here is right around 10.5ft. 1469 01:19:09,121 --> 01:19:11,026 This one is right around 11ft. 1470 01:19:11,026 --> 01:19:11,636 OK. 1471 01:19:11,636 --> 01:19:17,551 And then when you get over here this trail largely runs along 1472 01:19:17,551 --> 01:19:20,371 the inside side line of a sanitary sewer easement, 1473 01:19:20,371 --> 01:19:22,111 which is 25ft deep. 1474 01:19:22,111 --> 01:19:25,111 So where the trail directly abuts the edge of that easement, 1475 01:19:25,111 --> 01:19:28,351 it would be 20ft from these rear yards here where it curves. 1476 01:19:28,351 --> 01:19:30,961 It does get a little closer but probably about 1477 01:19:30,961 --> 01:19:32,641 I didn't take that measurement for probably 1478 01:19:32,641 --> 01:19:34,651 no closer than 15ft. 1479 01:19:34,651 --> 01:19:36,271 So those were your yards. 1480 01:19:36,271 --> 01:19:37,921 So where is that? 1481 01:19:37,921 --> 01:19:40,681 Can to make it more complicated? 1482 01:19:40,681 --> 01:19:45,001 Where is it less than 22? 1483 01:19:45,001 --> 01:19:47,606 Everywhere or possibly right here. 1484 01:19:47,606 --> 01:19:49,531 OK Not behind. 1485 01:19:49,531 --> 01:19:51,001 I mean, these are the new homes that 1486 01:19:51,001 --> 01:19:53,461 are being constructed Right. 1487 01:19:53,461 --> 01:20:01,181 And that would their buffer be like one in the top to left home 1488 01:20:01,181 --> 01:20:01,681 right there? 1489 01:20:01,681 --> 01:20:06,841 That kind of has the I forget my shapes but so we're kind 1490 01:20:06,841 --> 01:20:08,791 of curves looks like it comes probably within about 1491 01:20:08,791 --> 01:20:12,606 that 10 to 15ft or so as well. 1492 01:20:12,606 --> 01:20:16,651 You say Yeah. 1493 01:20:16,651 --> 01:20:18,871 The closest new home to the proposed 1494 01:20:18,871 --> 01:20:23,352 trail would be about 12ft to the lot, to the lot Yeah. 1495 01:20:23,352 --> 01:20:25,891 So again, all of these measurements are due to the lot 1496 01:20:25,891 --> 01:20:27,871 with a lot line up to the edge of someone's right 1497 01:20:27,871 --> 01:20:29,191 to the back, someone's back door. 1498 01:20:29,191 --> 01:20:30,001 I understand that. 1499 01:20:30,001 --> 01:20:30,501 Sure. 1500 01:20:30,501 --> 01:20:36,151 And on the plans But these homes take up a significant footprint 1501 01:20:36,151 --> 01:20:38,071 of their lots, is that correct? 1502 01:20:38,071 --> 01:20:40,711 We don't know Yeah. 1503 01:20:40,711 --> 01:20:43,720 I mean, we can look at an area map 1504 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,808 to see no one's built all they all have rear setback line. 1505 01:20:47,808 --> 01:20:52,241 So right you know they all are at least 10 to 15ft away. 1506 01:20:52,241 --> 01:20:55,426 And then with that, Pam, I know that the concern 1507 01:20:55,426 --> 01:20:57,721 has been brought up with the homes down here. 1508 01:20:57,721 --> 01:21:01,981 On the bottom is, is what we've heard today and up at the top, 1509 01:21:01,981 --> 01:21:03,571 well, there's some of the top on there. 1510 01:21:03,571 --> 01:21:07,171 So with that, the sewer utility easement, 1511 01:21:07,171 --> 01:21:10,051 does that then impact being able to 1512 01:21:10,051 --> 01:21:12,055 would they have to go beyond four the beyond that 1513 01:21:12,055 --> 01:21:13,591 to be able to then build a trail? 1514 01:21:13,591 --> 01:21:15,241 Or are they able to build on top of that? 1515 01:21:15,241 --> 01:21:16,951 How how does that work? 1516 01:21:16,951 --> 01:21:21,511 So the sewer company St Brain is a referral agency, so they 1517 01:21:21,511 --> 01:21:24,301 would be commenting on that. 1518 01:21:24,301 --> 01:21:27,271 They can respond to any conversation you know, 1519 01:21:27,271 --> 01:21:29,401 the applicant has had with them potential Lee 1520 01:21:29,401 --> 01:21:32,281 But if the sewer entity says you can't build it in here, 1521 01:21:32,281 --> 01:21:33,601 then they won't be able to build it. 1522 01:21:33,601 --> 01:21:36,241 Usually they'll allow it as long as it's not 1523 01:21:36,241 --> 01:21:38,101 directly over the line itself. 1524 01:21:38,101 --> 01:21:41,011 And just with the knowledge that if the sewer district 1525 01:21:41,011 --> 01:21:44,191 has to come out and tear up the trail for whatever reason 1526 01:21:44,191 --> 01:21:45,451 that the Metro District's usually 1527 01:21:45,451 --> 01:21:48,961 going to be responsible for, for repairs, not the sewer district. 1528 01:21:48,961 --> 01:21:52,693 So if we were to say let's say minimum setback 20ft from 1529 01:21:52,693 --> 01:21:57,421 the lot line from the edge of the trail, 1530 01:21:57,421 --> 01:22:01,340 do you see that creating any is creating any issues 1531 01:22:01,340 --> 01:22:03,781 that you can foresee right now? 1532 01:22:03,781 --> 01:22:06,901 I mean, other than the drainage implications that were discussed 1533 01:22:06,901 --> 01:22:08,521 and potential retaining wall, I mean, 1534 01:22:08,521 --> 01:22:11,281 this would be as a discussion with the engineering department 1535 01:22:11,281 --> 01:22:15,253 as to whether they'd even permit it within that drainage area. 1536 01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:17,168 That's not up to us. 1537 01:22:17,168 --> 01:22:18,873 So it'd be if we in. 1538 01:22:18,873 --> 01:22:21,541 And of course, everyone else can chime in on that. 1539 01:22:21,541 --> 01:22:24,121 But if that's what we made the recommendation 1540 01:22:24,121 --> 01:22:28,381 for in our resolution then at that point 1541 01:22:28,381 --> 01:22:31,291 before it comes before the board, all that would be 1542 01:22:31,291 --> 01:22:35,373 discussed and and we would tell the board yeah, 1543 01:22:35,373 --> 01:22:37,420 this isn't going to work the way that it was proposed because 1544 01:22:37,420 --> 01:22:39,391 of engineering saying this, this or the other 1545 01:22:39,391 --> 01:22:42,021 or here's an alternative is that that's 1546 01:22:42,021 --> 01:22:43,621 what happened before the board meeting, Correct. 1547 01:22:43,621 --> 01:22:45,841 Okay. 1548 01:22:45,841 --> 01:22:48,481 Committee members, any thoughts as far as minimum setbacks 1549 01:22:48,481 --> 01:22:53,243 that you want to propose 20 less or what? 1550 01:22:53,243 --> 01:22:56,431 I would think you need to have a range because 1551 01:22:56,431 --> 01:23:00,601 of physical restraints and what kind of burden 1552 01:23:00,601 --> 01:23:04,021 are we putting on a developer besides the homeowner? 1553 01:23:04,021 --> 01:23:07,621 You know, so I think if we went to like a 15 to 20, 1554 01:23:07,621 --> 01:23:13,219 but rigid 20 might be more difficult. Okay 1555 01:23:13,219 --> 01:23:20,101 And I think 20 minimum, I agree 20 minimum 1556 01:23:20,101 --> 01:23:22,681 with the commission 15 to 20, you're like a 20 1557 01:23:22,681 --> 01:23:26,113 minimum number one number. 1558 01:23:26,113 --> 01:23:31,776 Okay Know, that's okay. 1559 01:23:31,776 --> 01:23:34,771 OK So I think so. 1560 01:23:34,771 --> 01:23:39,095 Sounds like we have our number of 20 and understanding. 1561 01:23:39,095 --> 01:23:42,136 Commissioner haney's proposal of the kind of in between numbers 1562 01:23:42,136 --> 01:23:45,661 there, which it may end up being changed anyways because maybe it 1563 01:23:45,661 --> 01:23:50,641 doesn't work after they've done their engineering to So 1564 01:23:50,641 --> 01:23:52,831 with that does that for staff purposes, 1565 01:23:52,831 --> 01:23:55,290 is it better to have one single number or range which, 1566 01:23:55,290 --> 01:23:56,461 which would be more? 1567 01:23:56,461 --> 01:23:59,058 I mean, I think a minimum is fine, right? 1568 01:23:59,058 --> 01:24:00,391 I mean, there's not going to necessarily 1569 01:24:00,391 --> 01:24:01,951 be a maximum proposed. 1570 01:24:01,951 --> 01:24:03,781 So Right. 1571 01:24:03,781 --> 01:24:05,971 You know, and as you said, either way, this 1572 01:24:05,971 --> 01:24:10,561 is to the extent that it will be permitted by engineering 1573 01:24:10,561 --> 01:24:14,221 it is it's feasible to do so In the end, the board of trustees 1574 01:24:14,221 --> 01:24:15,781 is the approving body. 1575 01:24:15,781 --> 01:24:19,651 They can approve it or deny it regardless of what the Planning 1576 01:24:19,651 --> 01:24:22,201 Commission's vote is and regardless 1577 01:24:22,201 --> 01:24:24,421 of any recommendations made That's not 1578 01:24:24,421 --> 01:24:26,431 to say they won't take it into consideration 1579 01:24:26,431 --> 01:24:28,827 and hopefully they will. 1580 01:24:28,827 --> 01:24:32,581 Typically they do But you know our engineer department 1581 01:24:32,581 --> 01:24:33,421 will look into that more. 1582 01:24:33,421 --> 01:24:34,654 Hopefully be able to have a response, 1583 01:24:34,654 --> 01:24:36,249 a formal response from them prior 1584 01:24:36,249 --> 01:24:40,141 to going to the board meeting Absolutely necessary Question 1585 01:24:40,141 --> 01:24:41,927 but this that discussion. 1586 01:24:41,927 --> 01:24:45,541 All falls into the wherever possible range 1587 01:24:45,541 --> 01:24:48,301 right So if this ends up not being possible, 1588 01:24:48,301 --> 01:24:51,901 then we lose the trail But the development continues. 1589 01:24:51,901 --> 01:24:57,241 Is that correct No, The trail would still be required. 1590 01:24:57,241 --> 01:25:00,391 You're asking that it be moved if it's possible, right. 1591 01:25:00,391 --> 01:25:02,971 If the engineering department says the trail can't be moved, 1592 01:25:02,971 --> 01:25:04,771 that doesn't remove the FTC. 1593 01:25:04,771 --> 01:25:08,982 Require it for them to have the trail The trail would still 1594 01:25:08,982 --> 01:25:13,102 be where it was proposed. without the minimum 1595 01:25:13,102 --> 01:25:16,561 without that setback because that's 1596 01:25:16,561 --> 01:25:19,381 your recommending approval to the board 1597 01:25:19,381 --> 01:25:21,331 and your can your recommendation and can 1598 01:25:21,331 --> 01:25:26,731 say that we only recommend approval if the trail is moved. 1599 01:25:26,731 --> 01:25:29,161 But that doesn't mean the board has to follow 1600 01:25:29,161 --> 01:25:31,928 that recommendation Right. 1601 01:25:31,928 --> 01:25:34,411 They say if we remove the trail entirely 1602 01:25:34,411 --> 01:25:37,681 it would not meet our criteria of our development code 1603 01:25:37,681 --> 01:25:41,887 and wouldn't be approvable at all 1604 01:25:41,887 --> 01:25:45,001 if if the criteria of your development code 1605 01:25:45,001 --> 01:25:49,141 is wherever possible then how does it not meet that? 1606 01:25:49,141 --> 01:25:53,281 If it can't, if it can't be done there is no there's no 1607 01:25:53,281 --> 01:25:54,961 development code criteria that says 1608 01:25:54,961 --> 01:25:58,831 it has to be 20ft from the home, right from the property line. 1609 01:25:58,831 --> 01:26:02,401 That's a criteria that you guys would like to set. 1610 01:26:02,401 --> 01:26:06,364 It is possible to put a trail there as it's shown now. 1611 01:26:06,364 --> 01:26:08,131 Okay All right. 1612 01:26:08,131 --> 01:26:12,181 I just want to set expectations as we move forward 1613 01:26:12,181 --> 01:26:16,921 with this Well, it sounds like we have our proposal then 1614 01:26:16,921 --> 01:26:22,021 to propose a minimum 20 foot setback from the lot lines 1615 01:26:22,021 --> 01:26:26,608 to the edge of the beginning of, I guess, 1616 01:26:26,608 --> 01:26:29,686 the beginning edge of the trail. 1617 01:26:29,686 --> 01:26:38,161 So with that I would entertain a motion to amend Right. 1618 01:26:38,161 --> 01:26:38,851 Keith, help me out. 1619 01:26:38,851 --> 01:26:44,641 So to amend PC resolution 2602 recommending approval 1620 01:26:44,641 --> 01:26:46,921 to the Board of Trustees with the condition 1621 01:26:46,921 --> 01:26:50,851 that a 20 foot minimum setback could be applied 1622 01:26:50,851 --> 01:26:57,241 between the property lines and the edge of the beginning 1623 01:26:57,241 --> 01:26:58,561 edge of the trail. 1624 01:26:58,561 --> 01:27:02,161 So jumping with the exception of struggling 1625 01:27:02,161 --> 01:27:03,938 with the exception of the squiggly I it 1626 01:27:03,938 --> 01:27:06,482 make it for for lots about. 1627 01:27:06,482 --> 01:27:12,560 And then cordon cove street or is that just i would say, 1628 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,181 do you want to include that to be built lots or not. 1629 01:27:15,181 --> 01:27:17,390 I think that could be built lots should be included. 1630 01:27:17,390 --> 01:27:17,890 Correct. 1631 01:27:17,890 --> 01:27:19,184 That just makes it easy. 1632 01:27:19,184 --> 01:27:20,431 All the way across. 1633 01:27:20,431 --> 01:27:22,744 And because some might already be close to that anyway. 1634 01:27:22,744 --> 01:27:28,141 So that i do have a motion to approve that amendment. 1635 01:27:28,141 --> 01:27:34,591 So so first, by our second Commissioner Hoskins 1636 01:27:34,591 --> 01:27:35,635 and second by Commissioner. 1637 01:27:35,635 --> 01:27:36,135 OK. 1638 01:27:36,135 --> 01:27:40,681 So for this one, we need a roll call on the amendment 1639 01:27:40,681 --> 01:27:42,691 So we'll have a roll call on the amendment. 1640 01:27:42,691 --> 01:27:55,261 Please move Vice Chair Haney i'm sorry, 1641 01:27:55,261 --> 01:28:03,121 Commissioner Haney approved Yes, Commissioner lee approved. 1642 01:28:03,121 --> 01:28:06,901 Commissioner Sutton approved. 1643 01:28:06,901 --> 01:28:12,146 Commissioner Young approved Commissioner Hoskins Approve. 1644 01:28:12,146 --> 01:28:19,081 OK Motion carries Now, if I could have a motion on p c 1645 01:28:19,081 --> 01:28:20,821 motion to approve on PC resolution 20 1646 01:28:20,821 --> 01:28:29,634 6-02 as amended, I i so move for approval of the I'll second 26. 1647 01:28:29,634 --> 01:28:34,291 So to 20 602 So we have a first from Commissioner Haney 1648 01:28:34,291 --> 01:28:43,711 and a second from Commissioner Young real copies commission 1649 01:28:43,711 --> 01:28:48,421 early approve commissioner Sutton approved. 1650 01:28:48,421 --> 01:28:50,601 Commissioner Hoskins approve. 1651 01:28:50,601 --> 01:28:53,101 Vice Chair Haney approved. 1652 01:28:53,101 --> 01:28:57,661 Commissioner young approve Thank you. 1653 01:28:57,661 --> 01:29:00,361 The motion carries. 1654 01:29:00,361 --> 01:29:05,104 All right we are on to item. 1655 01:29:05,104 --> 01:29:06,271 That was it for the public hearing. 1656 01:29:06,271 --> 01:29:10,846 Gresham So I make sure I wasn't forgetting a step on there. 1657 01:29:10,846 --> 01:29:12,151 Staff reports. 1658 01:29:12,151 --> 01:29:17,221 Item on our agenda, any staff reports None at this time. 1659 01:29:17,221 --> 01:29:20,761 Thank you And thank you, staff, for all your attentiveness 1660 01:29:20,761 --> 01:29:22,771 this evening on the discussion there. 1661 01:29:22,771 --> 01:29:24,661 So appreciate Appreciate that. 1662 01:29:24,661 --> 01:29:26,371 Commissioner, your comments Next item, 1663 01:29:26,371 --> 01:29:27,901 start on the side commission. 1664 01:29:27,901 --> 01:29:28,831 Any comments? 1665 01:29:28,831 --> 01:29:34,411 No no I don't have any. 1666 01:29:34,411 --> 01:29:37,351 I, I just would like to have us meet more 1667 01:29:37,351 --> 01:29:40,171 often than every five months. 1668 01:29:40,171 --> 01:29:41,116 You guys. 1669 01:29:41,116 --> 01:29:45,650 So shape it up here again. 1670 01:29:45,650 --> 01:29:48,301 More people needing land development right here. 1671 01:29:48,301 --> 01:29:52,291 Something we're going to need again the make the adjustments. 1672 01:29:52,291 --> 01:29:55,591 Any comments on it Okay. 1673 01:29:55,591 --> 01:29:57,751 All right. 1674 01:29:57,751 --> 01:29:59,731 I just have one quick comment. 1675 01:29:59,731 --> 01:30:01,081 I know I have been out for a little bit 1676 01:30:01,081 --> 01:30:04,771 just with various trainings and other things that are going on. 1677 01:30:04,771 --> 01:30:07,480 But I think as we move forward. 1678 01:30:07,480 --> 01:30:09,175 And we've talked about that, there's currently 1679 01:30:09,175 --> 01:30:12,984 being some work done on the i guess, the purview 1680 01:30:12,984 --> 01:30:14,344 of the Commission gratefully, I'm 1681 01:30:14,344 --> 01:30:17,461 like looking at the ordinance of how the Pansy Commission works 1682 01:30:17,461 --> 01:30:19,471 and things that there's some that's still in the works 1683 01:30:19,471 --> 01:30:24,684 currently Not really. 1684 01:30:24,684 --> 01:30:27,729 I mean, not really Yeah. 1685 01:30:27,729 --> 01:30:28,996 We've talked about bringing amendments 1686 01:30:28,996 --> 01:30:30,222 to the development code in. 1687 01:30:30,222 --> 01:30:33,451 Once the comprehensive plan is completed probably 1688 01:30:33,451 --> 01:30:35,251 be late this year or early next year that we 1689 01:30:35,251 --> 01:30:36,211 may be bringing amendments. 1690 01:30:36,211 --> 01:30:38,311 The development code at this time, 1691 01:30:38,311 --> 01:30:40,111 we haven't been looking at changing 1692 01:30:40,111 --> 01:30:44,791 any of the like petition types that come to the board 1693 01:30:44,791 --> 01:30:47,071 for approval, if that's what you mean. 1694 01:30:47,071 --> 01:30:50,641 I know that was done with Newt with the development code 1695 01:30:50,641 --> 01:30:51,991 when it was written in 2020. 1696 01:30:51,991 --> 01:30:53,251 Well, that was changed. 1697 01:30:53,251 --> 01:30:54,631 So there hasn't really been any looking 1698 01:30:54,631 --> 01:30:56,921 at changing that further. 1699 01:30:56,921 --> 01:30:57,421 Okay. 1700 01:30:57,421 --> 01:30:57,921 Yeah. 1701 01:30:57,921 --> 01:31:01,741 And it was from what I was kind of looking at is just 1702 01:31:01,741 --> 01:31:03,301 the overall scope and responsibilities 1703 01:31:03,301 --> 01:31:05,551 of the planning, zoning Commission 1704 01:31:05,551 --> 01:31:09,481 And I know if we look at our current ordinance I mean, 1705 01:31:09,481 --> 01:31:11,011 some of it dates back to the 80, some, 1706 01:31:11,011 --> 01:31:12,631 you know, most recently on there, 1707 01:31:12,631 --> 01:31:18,064 which falls you know, well, in line with Sierra is 31, 23. 1708 01:31:18,064 --> 01:31:22,441 And that section that talks about planning 1709 01:31:22,441 --> 01:31:23,251 zoning commissions. 1710 01:31:23,251 --> 01:31:26,657 And so as commissioners, I think it would be important for all 1711 01:31:26,657 --> 01:31:27,822 of us to read through that. 1712 01:31:27,822 --> 01:31:30,635 As far as what yours talks about in terms of our response 1713 01:31:30,635 --> 01:31:32,731 abilities, what we do a big part of that 1714 01:31:32,731 --> 01:31:34,981 is the matters like procedure for like. 1715 01:31:34,981 --> 01:31:37,381 No, you're saying that or like what? 1716 01:31:37,381 --> 01:31:40,855 Like the actual ordinance that governs the composition Yeah. 1717 01:31:40,855 --> 01:31:46,561 So what I would what I would say is I think that's absolutely 1718 01:31:46,561 --> 01:31:49,471 an important topic of conversation 1719 01:31:49,471 --> 01:31:51,931 and that would probably be more appropriate when 1720 01:31:51,931 --> 01:31:55,171 you have a full board of trustees, correct? 1721 01:31:55,171 --> 01:31:57,781 Yeah I, we, we're, we're bringing now I just 1722 01:31:57,781 --> 01:32:03,031 want to bring it out into the open because i know basically 1723 01:32:03,031 --> 01:32:04,951 the way our current ordinance reads in terms of what 1724 01:32:04,951 --> 01:32:06,751 our responsibilities are, you know, 1725 01:32:06,751 --> 01:32:09,531 deal with making recommendation on the master 1726 01:32:09,531 --> 01:32:12,002 plan, which which we're doing and other such things. 1727 01:32:12,002 --> 01:32:16,212 So I think having very well defined like what our roles 1728 01:32:16,212 --> 01:32:17,264 and responsibilities are. 1729 01:32:17,264 --> 01:32:19,081 And in that process, maybe adjusting 1730 01:32:19,081 --> 01:32:23,088 what the current ordinances talk about as far as what we can 1731 01:32:23,088 --> 01:32:25,213 and should be doing as a commission 1732 01:32:25,213 --> 01:32:28,032 with following along with Chris as well, it would be important. 1733 01:32:28,032 --> 01:32:30,661 So I just want to bring that something that as future wise, 1734 01:32:30,661 --> 01:32:32,041 we can start talking about that maybe 1735 01:32:32,041 --> 01:32:36,262 Yeah i mean, that's certainly something that you as a body. 1736 01:32:36,262 --> 01:32:39,781 That's a topic that you can broach with the governing 1737 01:32:39,781 --> 01:32:44,281 body My recommendation is that that be done when 1738 01:32:44,281 --> 01:32:47,071 you have a full governing body. 1739 01:32:47,071 --> 01:32:49,951 And that's going to be in November. 1740 01:32:49,951 --> 01:32:53,191 So you know, sometime after that would 1741 01:32:53,191 --> 01:32:54,721 be the most appropriate time. 1742 01:32:54,721 --> 01:32:55,413 Yeah, absolutely. 1743 01:32:55,413 --> 01:32:58,534 And then any other meetings, if we have like on these, 1744 01:32:58,534 --> 01:32:59,701 if you want to bring anything to us 1745 01:32:59,701 --> 01:33:02,041 and we can talk about some things as a separate item. 1746 01:33:02,041 --> 01:33:02,941 So. 1747 01:33:02,941 --> 01:33:04,951 All right. 1748 01:33:04,951 --> 01:33:10,501 So with that so I have a motion to adjourn to session persons. 1749 01:33:10,501 --> 01:33:15,071 And second, by constraining in favor say I, I opposed. 1750 01:33:15,071 --> 01:33:15,571 All right. 1751 01:33:15,571 --> 01:33:18,121 We are adjourned for this meeting 1752 01:33:18,121 --> 01:33:20,971 Do we need like ten minute break before we go into the