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» Thank you for helping other

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right, we will call the first meeting to
order. This is a special meeting of the

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Flagler Beach City Commission. Today is
Thursday, September 10th. Time is 5:30

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p.m. Mayor, if you could lead us in a
pledge of allegiance, and we'll follow

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that by a moment of silence to honor our
veterans, members of the armed forces,

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and first responders.
To the flag of the United States of

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America to the stands, one nation under
God, indivisible

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and justice for all.

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» Thank you.

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All right. Well, everybody's getting
seated. If you can take a moment to look

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at your cell phone, make sure it's on
silent, vibrated, or turned off, please.

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And this is just as we talked about
earlier, it's a special meeting. This is

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our budgeting meeting. City manager,
I'll turn it over to you. Thank you, Mr.

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Chairman. Um, what you have before you
is the revised budget based upon the

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input that you provided during the three
budget workshops and any secondary

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comments that were shared with me. Um,
thanks again to Miss Rhonda Allen for

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putting this together. You will find on
the first or two of the first three

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pages um the changes that were
incorporated into the budget from what

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was originally proposed to you uh back
in July. So, um I'll go through the

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presentation again primarily for the
benefit of the public um that had not

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participated in the meetings before. So,
I'll move forward with this.

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These are going to be awfully hard to
read. Um this is a proposed budget. It

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uh yeah I can't even read that. Um
basically the budget is based upon the

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same millage rate that we levied for the
past 2 years 5.45 mills um in accordance

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with Florida state statute. That is
actually a tax cut because it is below

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the proposed uh roll back rate.

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Fine Benny. Um so this explains the
different um levels of millage rate that

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should you want to revise it and you did
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the 5.45 ms um as Mr. Smith explained
it's legally possible to go higher than

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that. It's it involves a lot of legal
machinations. So um there is no intent

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or no recommendation from city staff to
go higher than what you previously set

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as a tenative military. Um but you could
go uh substantially higher um depending

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on how many commissioners supported
that.

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So this is the the chart that shows what
your taxes and my taxes the impact of

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the proposed tax rate is. Um it ranges
anywhere from uh low double digits to

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mid triple digits increase mid 100. Um,
but that is the impact. The median tax

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payment for the city of Flagler Beach
taxes, not somebody's entire tax bill is

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approximately $14 to $1,500
um for their total tax bill for the city

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of Flagler Beach only. you'd have to add
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but that also includes school taxes,
county taxes, and then the other

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agencies such as find and uh East
Flagger Mosquito Control. But the median

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tax bill for the city of Bridle Beach is
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So, a lot there's a lot of interest, and
I believe Mr. or the property appraiser

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addressed some of this that people's
assessments are going down or their

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assessed value is going down, their
market value is going down, but their

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property taxes are still going up. And
what he referred to is that's called a

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recapture. So residents that have a
homestead exemption, their assessed

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value can only go up by 3% or the rate
of inflation, which is ever less. So

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that leads to that gap between the black
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market values start to go down, you're
still the assessed value or taxable

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value is still increasing and it will
continue increasing until those lines

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intersect, which hopefully they don't
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going back up. So that is a simple
explanation of why people's market value

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is going down but their taxable value is
going up.

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This describes the sheet describes the
revised um revenues for the city's

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general fund. Um again incorporating
some some changes to uh state share

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revenue and other things like that that
Miss UN has documented in your packet.

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Uh these are the expenditures by
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the packet by Miss Allen.
The various departments

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uh utility rates these are and this is
going to be subject to discussion. These

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rates incorporate the rate study which
we are going to give you a copy of the

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rate study
um to see they've already received it.

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Okay, you have a copy of it. This will
be on the September 24th agenda. So

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these rates are the ones that are
incorporated or recommended by the rate

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study and the difference was we
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the water and sewer base rates would go
up by 20%.

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The rate study indicates that water base
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commodity rate the usage rate should go
up by 3.5%. But the wastewater usage

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rate should go up by 25%. So you have a
copy of the rate study over the next two

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weeks. Please review it. If you have any
questions, please let me know. And

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that'll be part of the fee structure for
the next city commission meeting.

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And let me go back to this. What this
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the rates for both the water for water
usage and sewer uses is based upon a

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typical 2 to three family household,
which is approximately 4,500 gallons. So

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that's where it says the usage 4.5,000
gallons. So if you use less than that,

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your rates will be less. If you use
more, it will be more. But according to

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Mr. Old and utility billing, that is
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household pays for water and sewer.
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Uh now we get into the special and
enterprise funds which is the general

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fund impact fee uh the CRA
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the uh building department and other
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Um again the special enterprise funds
water wastewater sanitation impact fees

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utility administration. So, the budget
looks like it goes from $87 million down

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to approximately $45 million. And again,
as indicated in a memo previously

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distributed, that is due to the
accounting change, due to recognizing

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things not as revenue, but they go to
the balance sheet as our asset. So,

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that's primarily due to an accounting
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Um, these are the capital improvements.
There are some changes. We did take out

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the uh facility vehicle. We increased
the park improvements and these are all

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based upon the recommendations that you
had during the budget workshop. Um park

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improvements. Um there's no changes I
think on that sheet.

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Um then some other changes. We took out
the building uh code inspection for the

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facility maintenance. Um that was taken
out. Um so there are some minor changes

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again documented by Miss Allen in the
sheet that was provided to you. Um these

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are the capital projects. Some changes
were here. Um we increased the amount

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for the uh bypass pumps reduce the
amount for the generators. Um those are

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the probably the two key changes to
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Um again additional enterprise fund
capital projects. Uh we did take out the

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yard spotter that's been purchased. Um
some of the other items that are zeroed

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out near the bottom of that page were
transferred to professional services in

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the utility department taken away from
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Uh this is the um
yeah the enterprise

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fund capital projects um for the utility
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closing out the total enterprise fund uh
capital improvements.

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This is the organizational chart. You're
going to be asked to the city ordinance.

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The city has never done this before. Um,
but in the city code it says that the

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organizational chart has to be adopted
by ordinance. Um, so you are going to be

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presented with this at first reading
tonight. Again, it's never been done by

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the city before, but it's in the code.
So, you are going to be presented with

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the uh first reading of the city's
organizational chart tonight. Second

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reading will be scheduled for September
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Uh, these are some of the staffing
changes. Again, no changes that were

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presented earlier um to you.
And this is the budget calendar. And we

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are now at the first public hearing,
which is the third bullet down,

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September 10th. And we will have the
second public hearing on September 24th

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with the new fiscal year scheduled to
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So pending, any questions? That
concludes the presentation of the

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proposed budget. All right. Any
questions for city manager while Riley's

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up?

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» Okay, let's
>> Commissioner Cunningham on the five-year

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plan. And I know I brought it up during
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budget workshop meetings,
the almost $10 million you have on

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Robert's Road and
John Anderson for the reuse line

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that's going to be spent in this year's
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» only if we get the grants that we're
applying for. That that's my that's

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where I was going with that because if
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considered to have a to get a grant.
>> Correct. Absolutely.

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» So you're leaving that in there?
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But we're not going to spend the money
until unless we get the grant. But it's

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in there to demonstrate to D that we are
prepared to go forward with the project

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if we get the grant.
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Cuz no water will be in it for four
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» Correct. It will not be there will be no
expenditures on it unless we get the

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grant.
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» Any other questions for city manager
before we do general discussion?

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» All right. Thank you. No questions for
you. Uh discussion.

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» Do you want to move into your
resolutions?

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» Yeah. Once we get done our
>> Okay. You want to do discussion first?

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» No discussion.
Well, you enter it. Well, we'll move on

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to resolution 2026-68.
Drew,

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» resolution 20226-68, a resolution of the
city of Flagler Beach, Florida, levying

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the abalone property tax middle for
municipal purposes on all taxable

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property within the city for the fiscal
year being October 1, 2026 and ending

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September 30th, 2027 stating the
knowledge to be levied as 5.4500

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in Flatler County and 5.4500
is the rate to be levied for Valuchia

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County and providing for an effective
date. All right. Questions or discussion

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about the mill rate?

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» Look for a motion.
>> Motion to motion to approve um

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resolution 2026-68.
>> I'll second the motion.

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» All right. We have a motion, a second.
I'll open this up to public comment. Any

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members of the public wish to speak on
this agenda item?

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Right. See none, I'll close public
comment. Um, further discussion on mill

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rate.
Okay. And if you call the roll, please.

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» Commissioner Santo,
>> yes to the motion.

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» Commissioner Sprdley,
>> yes to the motion.

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» Commissioner Sherman,
>> yes.

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» Commissioner Cunningham,
>> yes.

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» Chair Kulie,
>> yes. The motion. Motion passes

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unanimous. Resolution 2026-69.
Drew.

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» Resolution 2026-69.
A resolution by the city commission of

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the city of Flagler Beach, Florida,
adopting budgets for the general fund,

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utility fund, sanitation fund, storm
water fund, CRA fund, peer enterprise

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fund, and building code inspection fund
for the fiscal year 2026 27th, fixing

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appropriations therein, proposing
expenditures there, and determining the

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amount of money to be raised by
taxation, and providing an effective

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date hereof.
>> Discussion on enterprise funds. Mr.

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Cunningham.
Yeah, I noticed they're

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recommending

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approve it on first reading. There has
to be a second reading anyway, right?

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» Yes.
>> So, we can do the final cuz honestly, I

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just seen this thing Friday when the in
the budget packet, unless y'all have

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seen it before that, the final budget
from after the workshops.

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And personally I need more time to go
through it more and another the next

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meeting would be enough time.
>> Yeah. Okay.

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» Yes, you can make changes between the
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» and we have done that.
All right. Any other discussion on

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enterprise funds?

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» Look for a motion.
>> Motion to approve resolution 2026-69.

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» I'll second the motion. All right. We
have a motion, a second. can open this

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up to public comment. Any members of the
public wish to speak on this agenda

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item?

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I see none. I'll close public comment.
Um any further discussion on

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participants?
Just so I'm clear,

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if we do say yes to all this, they're
recommending

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it can still be a no at the next
meeting. Right.

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» Correct. as well with it. Okay.
>> And and also just to be clear, it's the

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enterprise party that is for your budget
that this resolution is your entire

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budget, not just your enterprise fund.
Your enterprise funds are part of that

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budget,
>> right?

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» Yeah. So there all those uh questions
and of course if if you have any of

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those um you know obviously it'd be good
to try to work that through the city

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manager a little bit ahead of time so we
don't get too far off track in the in

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the next meeting. But absolutely, we've
had uh many meetings where stuff has

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come up on second reading and you know,
we've had to crunch some stuff and and

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adjust things. So, it's part for the
course. It's no big deal.

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So, if you were to if you were to vote,
you know, hypothetically yes this time

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and then you get answers to your
questions you don't like, you very well

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could vote no on the next one.
>> Yeah, I did last year. Right.

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Any further discussion on this?
Any for a roll call, please?

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» Commissioner Sprdley,
>> yes to the motion.

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» Commissioner Sherman,
>> yes.

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» Commissioner Cunningham,
>> yes.

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» Commissioner Santo,
>> yes to the motion.

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» Chair Kulie,
>> yes to the motion. Motion Motion passes

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unanimous. Um, and what we're going to
do, just so everybody knows what we're

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going, we're concluding this meeting,
but then we're going to jump into our

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general business meeting. So, when we
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adjourning. Just don't want anybody to
think that they got left out or

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anything. So, I'll look for a motion to
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» Make a motion we adjourn.
>> All right, we are adjourned.

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Does anybody need any time?
Jump right in.

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» Yeah.
All right, let's get group switched.

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Any

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good?

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All right, we'll call the regular
meeting to order. This is a regular

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meeting of this the city of Flaggler
Beach Commission. Today is Thursday,

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September 10th. The time is 5:47
and we'll start this with a pledge of

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allegiance followed by a moment of
silence on our veterans, members of the

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armed forces and first responders.
Mayor, if you could lead us

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Thank you.

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» All right, mayor. Do we have any
proclamations or awards?

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» I issued a proclamation. Uh, stand by
one second. Uh, I'm a little behind

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here. Uh,

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think I'd be more organized than this,
wouldn't you?

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The proclamation was given on behalf of
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that was issued um for October 14th. We
also issued a proclamation recognizing

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the historical museum in its 25th year
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So those have been issued and that's it
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» All right. Thank you.
And deletions or changes to the agenda.

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City manager.
>> Uh please uh the city clerk has provided

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you with the revised agenda. uh removing
item 7D which was the resident's concern

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about drainage by an adjoining
contractor that has been amicably

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resolved. So please remove item 7D from
your agenda. All right.

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Anything Penny
and everybody has the amended agenda.

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All right.
All right. We'll open this up to public

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comment. Citizens are to speak. Comment
should be limited three minutes. Please

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address the chair and uh please do not
you know offer your time to anybody

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else. We need all speakers to keep their
time within three minutes and please

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start with your name and address for the
record.

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» Can you turn the mic on

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» otherwise known as Mark Gwolf in Flag
Beach, Florida?

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Um, so just so everybody knows, uh,
thank you, Penny. I requested, uh, based

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on LA my comments last time, I requested
public records on how much money, um,

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I'm super cheapkate, especially as a
taxpayer. How much money are we spending

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on legal fees from Mr. Martin? And what
not just Mr. Robo, the city? I'm just

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curious how much legal fees get spent
here. So, I haven't had time to go

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through them, but I appreciate Penny um
forwarding that to me. And um I'm also

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curious about um let me start over here.
They agreed there was neither possible

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nor necessary to educate people who
never questioned anything. It's from one

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of my favorite books, Joe Joseph Heler,
Catch 22. Um you all should know that my

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job as a citizen is to request
transparency because I am a cheapkate.

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uh ensure the money is spent without
waste. Uh ensure workers are who they

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say they are. And I want to question
everything. So I apologize if sometimes

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I come in here as kind of the angry guy,
but I don't like public speaking. Uh

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like most people are not comfortable
public speaking, but it is my job to

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question what you guys do. And um I
appreciate you putting up with me. But

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um you're not familiar with Catch 22.
It's a book about a soldier who wants to

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quit because a thousand people he he
doesn't know want to kill him. But he

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can't quit because a thousand people he
doesn't know want to kill him. That's

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catch 22. And from my observations being
here for a couple years already, I

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noticed that in my opinion, we have
quite a bit of catch 22 in Flagler

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Beach. Uh people seem to get hired
because of their expertise and their

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experience.
only to be fired for their expertise and

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experience by those who don't have their
experience or expertise and then we get

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sued. Um, so I just want to make it
public record to everybody, whoever's

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out there caring and questioning that
um, we will be going through this these

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public public records and we will be
requesting resumes and application forms

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of everybody that's applied to the city
and I'm going to make sure that we call

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the references for those applications
and those resumes. Um, I don't want

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people in here telling us who they are
when they aren't who they are. Um

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I also am a huge fan of sports and body
sold individual comfort to a group

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effort. That's what makes teamwork, the
company work, the society work and a

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community work. He also said, "Show me a
big loser and I'll show you a loser."

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Supposed to laugh, but that's okay. Um I
also love the belts. Uh John John Cooper

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is an amazing coach and we don't seem to
have in government managers or

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leadership style like the winning thing.
Um and I'm not I I totally respect what

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you guys do, Mr. Martin. Um I respect
what you do. There's no way I could do

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it for one hour of one day. But it
doesn't seem like we're using the skills

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of the players we have to make a winning
team. You know, we have great players

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that are honest problem solvers and are
worth their paychecks. So, I just wanted

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to publicly say that and thank you uh
for being here and God bless you Flagler

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Beach. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Anyone else for public

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comment?

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» Hi, Commission. Melissa Lyn, Flaggler
Beach. I just wanted to touch on a few

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things as Mark pointed out some of the
expenses going on recently. Um I started

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to pay attention to the issues going on
with employees most recently.

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» Can you just pull mic in a little bit?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you.

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» Is that better? Yes.
>> Okay. Um, I've just noticed a lot of the

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concerns with employees and what's been
going on. I attended the 17hour hearing

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with the uh former fire chief along with
reviewing another 7-hour video from

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another whistleblower case. So, I think
the general public should know what's

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going on here in Flagler Beach. In
November of 2025, there was a lawsuit

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filed um involving the former utility
billing department employee for

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allegations of harassment, bullying,
hostile work environment, and other

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workplace issues. That matter was
actually recently settled for $60,000

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plus obvious attorney costs and what
have you. Um, move forward to March of

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2026. The whistleblower matter came
forward with a former facilities

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director because procedural issues came
up as a problem that were not resolved.

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What I found interesting is during that
sworn testimony and again you all can go

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back and review this is your city
engineer testified to the substance and

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indicated that the facilities director
had been directed not to take certain

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information or concerns to the
commissioners that he nevertheless

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emailed them and that was the failure to
follow a direction which identified as

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one of the reasons for his termination.
Concerns were also raised during that

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hearing about the city manager and the
HR handling of matters which seems to be

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common lately. This raises a serious
question. Why would an employee be

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directed by another employee not to
bring concerns to an elected official? I

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mean, they shouldn't have anything. They
can't come forward, I would think. Um,

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again, on August 26th, back to the
former fire chief Cox, that was a

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17-hour personnel board hearing. Again,
concerns regarding how the city manager

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handled it, HR handling of the
procedures along with all of the costs

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we had with this case. So, now moving
forward, there's another ad here tonight

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that's on the agenda. more legal costs
for another employee issue because

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employees try to speak up and they're
not heard. So, in my opinion, there's

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appears to be a quiet elimination of
employees. Employees we saw working for

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the city for years are suddenly no
longer here one by one and the public

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often has no idea what happened or why.
Where did these people go? For example,

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you had a water um mechanic that did
installation of water service. One day

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he's not here anymore after eight years.
Where'd he go? He'll leave for another

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job. You guys might want to reach out to
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Employees should never have to choose
between remaining silent and protecting

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their employment. Taxpayers deserve to
know how much the city has spent on

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outside attorneys dealing with employee
matters. These are not isolated

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situations. They involve different
employees, different departments, and

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repeated concerns about how employee
matters are handled. All of this has

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occurred under the direction of uh Dale
Martin. So my question to you,

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Commissioner, at what point do we start
holding the city manager accountable for

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what's occurring under his
administration? For one, I highly

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recommend that you go back and if you
did not attend these hearings uh that

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went 17 hours and seven hours, go back
and see procedurally what was wrong

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because I strongly suggest that the city
manager should be held accountable for

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what he's done wrong. If you can hold
your employees accountable, he should be

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one of them. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you. Anyone else for

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public comment?

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» 255 Ocean Palm Drive. Um, I literally
showed up 3 hours ago and I'm so glad to

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be here. Um, one of the things I didn't
I didn't plan on speaking about today,

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but I I got a question for you. We sold
the golf course. I should say we you

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guys sold the golf course. Um, and we
were told publicly that they needed the

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seal to happen right away because they
didn't want to miss growing season. I I

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showed up to my house today. Again, not
planning on talking about this. The

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place is a disaster. What the hell is
going on? I realize it's privately owned

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now, but you guys should have some input
and direction of what's happening. I

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mean, this is this is astounding.
Anyway, so what I wanted to say, what I

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really came to say, uh, kind of
piggyback on what other people were

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saying, you know, we seem to have a big
employee, uh, problem here. And I

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remember last last uh, winter, someone
asked Mr. Martin directly what his

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employee uh, um,
uh, you know, what his policy was for

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employee complaints. And in his forum he
said he had an open door door policy

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where people could come in and complain.
Okay. Or just speak their voice. So my

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question is you know what are the the
five most recent complaints he's got?

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Not not using names but it's incident. I
like to know how those those complaints

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were resolved because I'm really
wondering if things are actually

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happening the way he is like he said
they are or if uh things are are counter

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to uh what he says. Anyways, I'm glad to
be here. Thank you.

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» Thank you

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ladies and gentlemen. A lot of you know
me from back in early 2000 when I used

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to operate the boat shop on the field
and all of us helped manage the pier. I

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would like the opportunity to consider
doing that again. Uh they cher

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information booth for a lot of people
come to fra

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and also a person being there that's
able to respond to a medical emergency

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out of here. I used to go under the fire
department and then also on top of that

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one will have issues around the poor. I
would look at some of the rules that I

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heard that was put on the local radio
station uh overhead captain. If you had

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nobody out there, nobody's going to be
supervising this. On top of that, you're

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going to have trash. You're going to
have bathrooms.

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There were times that I had to clean the
bathroom three times on Monday.

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open the pool for free without some kind
of security inform

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you have passed on uh because we have
issues on the field and I don't mind

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stepping forward to help get this city
commission the opportunity to get it

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back where it should be where the city
can no money I believe that you have to

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have a vote shot for the city to have to
go to for information and service to

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people. Plus, down the road, we can
consider talking about considering

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putting food back on it here because
there's going to be a lot of expenses.

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You probably remember you got liability
in church, you got the state, right?

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You got all the maintenance for taking
the off every day or in the bathroom.

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You know what's going to happen there? A
lot of times people back then didn't

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have their telephone. So what would be
the first time they do? They come to me

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security.
So I would like to put that opportunity

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out there. If you all would like to sit
down oneonone and talk with me, I'm

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welcome to do that. I'm going to walk
around and give you all your courage. If

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I have any questions, feel free to call
me. Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Right. Anyone else for public comment?

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» Hello everyone. My name is Sharon Andre.
I live at 1744 South Flaggler Avenue.

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First, I want to say I appreciate all
the hard work you do. I appreciate it. I

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wouldn't be here if I didn't have a
concern. We came home from a trip and

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saw that there were survey markers in
our backyard. Uh my husband and I went

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to the building department, talked to
Tim. He was very helpful employee. He

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gave us Bill Freeman's card. We emailed
him. He got back to us right away. Told

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us that they were considering swailes.
Now, we knew they weren't putting

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swelles in the backyard. So, I asked him
about that. He said, "Oh, they're

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considering finishing 18th Street or the
Oak Place into 18th Street." And right

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now that's Woods.
So, um, we did talk to Bill. We had him

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come by the house and he sees that it's
woodlands and it's wetlands. and I abut

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18th and I have a neighbors that are but
place and we're all very concerned that

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we don't want the woods removed. I know
right now it's just a consideration but

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before it gets into planning, we want to
let you know you're welcome. Come by.

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It's that right now it's woods. There's
wildlife that live in there. There's go

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for turtles because I know some of you
are concerned about turtles.

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Um, if you'd like to come by, Penny has
my information. You want to stop by, let

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us know, you want to look at it. But
it's not something that should be

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continued.
Um, I know it was told to us that there

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was concern with emergency vehicles and
mail. Right now, the garbage trucks come

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down that road three times a week and
Amazon delivers on that road. So, they

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don't have a problem with it. I don't
see why anyone that lives on the road

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now wouldn't want to keep it the way it
is. And they do. And

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they're supposed to have contacted you.
I did email you, Commissioners Bradley,

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and
That's about it. Any questions?

419
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:19,079
» We any uh any comments that we'll be
addressing at the end of the public

420
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,079
comment period.

421
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,560
» Right. Thank you. Anyone else for public
comment?

422
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:37,599
That's Batali. 246 Ocean Palm Drive. Uh
actually it's a couple comments and this

423
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:41,680
is uh I apologize for not being here
last time, the last meeting we had

424
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:46,720
because it uh involved what I'm going to
talk about. But at 246 Ocean Palm Drive

425
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:52,640
is actually the location of lift station
number one and I know that was part of

426
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:58,079
the agenda last time. Uh it got pulled
back in so that I guess Bill Freeman is

427
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:01,359
is going to be working on it. Um I did
just so that you know I've been in touch

428
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:05,440
with John. I've talked to Dale. I've
been in touch with Bill. Uh so it is a

429
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:12,640
moving target with what's happening now.
My biggest concern was the fact that

430
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:17,440
McKim and Creed uh in my view anyway had
some errors in some of the uh results

431
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:23,920
that they came out with. They had
indicated a house four or five doors

432
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:28,560
down from me uh did not flood. And we
have pictures. It's actually the worst

433
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:34,000
house on the on the street uh where they
had about 18 inches of water in the

434
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:39,760
house. They also indicated that my
location at 246

435
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:43,760
um has potential for flooding. Yet, I
wasn't even required to get flood

436
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,800
insurance because our elevation is about
7.1 right there, which is higher than

437
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:54,160
the surrounding area. The house has not
flooded this lift station. If you go

438
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:59,440
back to uh Nicole back in 22 and even
back into Irma in 18 or 17,

439
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:04,079
uh the station did not flood. The lift
station did not flood. So there's

440
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,760
discussion of lifting the panel a little
bit more. Right now, according just

441
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:13,839
looking at the pictures that I had with
the flooding uh from Nicole,

442
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:19,359
there's about 18 in from where the water
was to the bottom of the panel. lifting

443
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:23,680
that in my mind uh is something that
really doesn't need to be done. There's

444
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:28,720
a slab there where you have access into
the lift station itself was not

445
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:31,839
underwater. Um so I just have these
concerns that I'm putting out there and

446
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:35,440
just letting everybody know. But again,
I am meeting with John. I'm going to be

447
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:40,079
meeting with Bill uh and carrying this
forward. But my concern there was

448
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:47,200
actually working with a report that may
not be accurate. So also I I wanted to

449
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:53,040
at least hope that um the resident
themsself gets a little consideration.

450
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:58,880
There are a lot of places um when lift
stations are put in, they put a lot of

451
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:03,119
effort into making it fit into the
environment so it's not obnoxious. The

452
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:09,359
thing that makes me very nervous is what
happened on 25th Street and South

453
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:13,280
Flagger. Um I would hope that we're not
looking at anything like that. And I

454
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:17,440
think everybody knows that that
doesn't look very appealing. Uh anyway,

455
00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:21,119
that's my point. I just wanted to get
that across and that's my concern. So,

456
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:27,640
thank you.
>> Thank you.

457
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:27,640
» Anyone else for public comment

458
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:42,079
McNab, 1801 South Daytona Avenue. Um,
I had a couple of questions on the uh

459
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:50,760
drainage that's being put down on most
of the alleyways. Uh, 18th has been

460
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,760
skipped. Is that planned to be done?

461
00:45:50,800 --> 00:46:00,560
Anybody know? Uh, through the years, um,
my daughter's dad and I built the house

462
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:08,560
in 74. Ever since then, the water coming
down 18th Street comes to my sliding

463
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:15,440
glass door. Um, and I have changed tile
instead of carpet by sliding glass door

464
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:21,920
through the years. I have talked to city
through the years and said, "I've got a

465
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:26,400
problem." Well, one time they said,
"Okay, we'll just put sandbags down

466
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:32,319
there because I called like for a
hurricane." So, they put sandbags all

467
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:38,319
along my 100 ft.
Then neighbors came and picked them up.

468
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:43,520
Uh, and then I did have someone come
down and look at it. And he says, "I

469
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:48,960
don't see the problem." And I said,
"Well, you'd make a bad Indian scout cuz

470
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:56,640
you see the sand that comes off the
alleyway all the way through my dolly up

471
00:46:52,319 --> 00:47:03,680
on the hill." Another time I paid $50
for a building permit. So I could have

472
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:09,599
the bulldozer down the street making a
pool come up and divert

473
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,119
property where the water comes off the
road to go back on the road swinging

474
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:22,560
around a whole bunch of trees that I
have. So I've tried. So I'm just curious

475
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:27,200
to know are they? And then I finally I
had to work to put some asphalt back

476
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:33,760
because the the original road was a sand
road when I built

477
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:41,760
uh Cina Road. And so then the first
engineer that paved in his good

478
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:46,400
insight put a bump all the way across
like an apron

479
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:52,560
extended past the alleyway. So when the
water comes down 18th,

480
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:59,119
it actually goes down 18th and not on my
property or anybody else's property. My

481
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:05,680
neighbor to the south has water when
it's really really heavy and hurricane

482
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:11,359
that actually goes through his room.
So just curious to know if 18's going to

483
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:18,000
be done too. And if not, can we just
have a bump? So, that's all I have to

484
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:22,079
say about that. Um, and then I got a
couple of questions, then I'll get down

485
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:27,280
on the pier. And I'm sorry I haven't
talked to anyone else. I haven't seen

486
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:34,480
the plan. How are people in a wheelchair
going to get up on the pier and out?

487
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:41,800
It's like a ramp. That was what I had.
Right. Thank you.

488
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:41,800
Anyone else for public comment?

489
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:55,839
Okay. 351 Palm Circle. Uh Patty, this
was your fault. Um so you judge uh your

490
00:48:54,079 --> 00:49:01,760
uh proclamation for e-waste day made me
think of this. Um with the county uh

491
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:09,200
closing the hazardous waste facility and
e-waste drop off on Old Kings and now

492
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:13,920
directing us to WastPro for money. Um
it's not free anymore. Um, does the city

493
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:18,880
have any plans for hazardous waste drop
off or e-waste drop off? I think that's

494
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,319
an important thing that um, people will
try to stick it in the trash if they

495
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,480
don't have a place to take it for free.
So, obviously don't want a huge expense

496
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:30,319
for the city, but also um, worried about
what that impact would be. So, um,

497
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,280
whether it's a regular thing or a once a
year thing or whatever, uh, I was

498
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:39,200
wondering if you all were considering
anything to replace the the service we

499
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:44,280
lost from the county. Thanks.
>> Right. Thank you. Anyone else for public

500
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,280
comment?

501
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:55,760
My name is Richard Rick McFadden,
previous building official, City Flagger

502
00:49:52,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Beach. Uh I think most of the commission
knows me. I got a phone call that there

503
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,559
seems to be playing the name game. Uh
there was a fire hydrant over here at

504
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:14,960
the hotel put in too low and
the I believe the commission was told

505
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:19,040
that I was responsible for the final
inspection.

506
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:24,800
The building department put in Florida
statute. We take care of Florida

507
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:29,680
building code. Nowhere in that code does
it address fire hydrants.

508
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:34,880
That's done by utilities and a city
engineer.

509
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,880
Thank you.

510
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:55,440
Mike Archer, Flaggler Beach. Um, I could
echo a lot of the comments tonight, but

511
00:50:51,839 --> 00:51:01,040
um, mainly I wanted to talk about the
swale project, which I'm not sure a lot

512
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:06,160
of people know about, and also the Oak
Place proposed improvements, which I'm

513
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:12,880
also sure a lot of people don't know
about. Um so without repeating what

514
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:21,160
other people have already said uh the
soil project is

515
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,160
being just handled a little too

516
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:30,079
universally.
There's no reason to have all of the

517
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:35,920
swailes put in that could be put in. Uh
if you go out and you observe the actual

518
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:40,480
rainfall, the water on the streets, the
water going down the side of the street,

519
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:46,240
a lot of the swailes that were put in
five, six years ago work great. They

520
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:52,240
would work better if the city maintained
the edge where the sod that they that

521
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:57,599
the contractor put in is now built up to
be 3 4 in high. So water goes down the

522
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:03,599
road, can't get into the swale,
especially on the downhills like 17th,

523
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:10,800
18th, 19th. Um, there really aren't many
swailes on 19th or 18th, even 17th, uh,

524
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:16,800
west of Daytona.
Um, so on the downhill slope, you could

525
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,079
add some, I guess, but along Flaggler,
you're not going to be able to put any

526
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:25,359
soils in because the water table's too
high. So catching it before it gets

527
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:30,559
there, that makes sense. But how you do
it and then it's got to be maintained.

528
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:36,000
Right now you're proposing
I understand to put in soils extensively

529
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:40,880
where there are no curbs and gutters
which is basically from I think about

530
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:45,839
south 6 to about north six. In other
words, there's the downtown area that

531
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:53,200
has a storm system. The rest of the the
island doesn't. Um, so before you go off

532
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:57,920
putting swailes everywhere and
disrupting people's property or the

533
00:52:55,839 --> 00:53:02,960
rightway, which a lot of people use as
their property for parking, access to

534
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:09,280
their property, and such, go out and
look and really study it. I know in the

535
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:14,000
three blocks around me in the past 7 and
1/2 years, I've seen enough rain and

536
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:21,200
enough swelles to know what's going on.
For instance, had the U Miami curbs been

537
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:25,680
installed on 17th, there are in six
places, there was only one place that

538
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:33,119
was really necessary. And then there's
one the same place on the same alley on

539
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:40,160
16th and yes and then one on 15th, but
16th and 15th not being done. Just 17,

540
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:45,200
18, 19, 20, 21. So,
I mean, it it I understand putting out

541
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:52,240
contracts. I understand that, you know,
you want to keep it generic, but that's

542
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:56,599
a waste of a lot of money and resources.
Thank you. Thank you.

543
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,760
Anyone else for public comment?

544
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:12,839
» Good evening, John Anderson. I'm sorry,
Melanie Thompson, John Anderson Highway.

545
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,839
Um,

546
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:18,880
Dale, I noticed that they worked on the
Veranda Bay breaches that I've been

547
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:24,160
trying to get fixed for the last eight,
nine years, months. Sorry, I'm I'm

548
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:30,160
nervous. Um,
I like their attempt. Put some sod in

549
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:35,599
the rideway. Uh, they're few one, two,
three/ longleaf pines stuck in the

550
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:40,319
middle there. That was a nice effort.
Again, it's going to take years and

551
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:44,559
years for it to be completely filled up
the way it should be to look like the

552
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,359
rest of the buffer.
I suggest they can go in and dig up some

553
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:55,359
natural vegetation
and bring it forward to make it happen a

554
00:54:51,920 --> 00:55:01,680
lot faster. Um, I noticed that there's
stakes on the west side of John Anderson

555
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:05,599
on the Summertown side. I called the
county wondering what that was all

556
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:10,480
about. came back to me and said that
that was part of the original site plan

557
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:15,200
to extend the sidewalk.
And my question is that I had emailed

558
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:21,440
you and Adam Mangle about that saying
that originally the site plan was for

559
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:26,480
two sides of Randa Bay changing to two
different developments and why to extend

560
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:33,280
a sidewalk to nowhere when there's
nothing going on on the west side of

561
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:39,599
John Anderson Highway.
Um, I let's see what else. I didn't get

562
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:44,720
a response from you about that. Um, and
then I've also talked to Adam Mangle

563
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:52,960
last week uh to make sure that the
designated land that Veranda Bay

564
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:58,480
Summertown was going to um sell for
um

565
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,079
the land for the ESL
and he and I wanted to make sure it was

566
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,599
still online because it's been almost a
year now that Ken Belly signed off that

567
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:10,960
he would sell that and he said that they
had been reaching out to him and haven't

568
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:14,000
got any response. So, I'm hoping that
doesn't fall through the cracks and he

569
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:20,240
falls back on the deal. So, if somebody
can please keep an eye on that

570
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:24,000
and um yeah, that was the the land that
they were going to sell for

571
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:28,319
preservation. So, um that's my only
concern at the moment. Thank you.

572
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:31,319
» Thank you. Anyone else for public
health?

573
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:43,680
Commissioners, Mayor, uh, Mike Pickers,
Blackley County, owner of Hammock, Bait,

574
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:48,720
and Tackle. Uh, read in your minutes
from last month that you're proposing at

575
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:54,640
this point not to put a tackle shop out
on the pier, not to collect, uh,

576
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:59,359
admissions for the pier. I would like if
you're

577
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:06,079
welcoming to it to put together a prop a
proposal and submit to y'all um how bait

578
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:11,599
and tackle shop can benefit the pier and
the city. Thank you.

579
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,640
Thank you.
Anyone else for public comment?

580
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:25,440
All right. See, now we'll close public
comment.

581
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:31,040
And so we Let's work this from the
bottom up. Um,

582
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:36,880
we have some questions. Uh, folks
looking for some information.

583
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:43,040
Start with Miss Thompson. This is about
uh updates on the the conservation land.

584
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:48,319
That's Do we have any updates on where
that stands for the county?

585
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,400
» I believe as M. uh Thompson indicated um
the county is pursuing it. The

586
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:57,200
discussions that we've had um I believe
with Mr. Rodriguez and Mr. Mangle that

587
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:02,319
they are continue to pursue it. I've
actually raised some issues with Mr.

588
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:07,440
Smith um
about the city if the county falls

589
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:13,200
short, is there a way that the city can
step in um and work with Mr. Belchi

590
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,040
through some financial arrangement? if
the county effort falters, could the

591
00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:20,720
city be in a position to step in and
acquire that land as well? So, there are

592
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,400
I know that there are ongoing
discussions uh with the county at this

593
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:29,040
point that it is still on their radar.
They still are pursuing it.

594
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,559
» So, it hasn't stopped or stalled or
anything like that.

595
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:37,680
» Correct. It's it's ongoing. Okay. There
was concerns about the work being done

596
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:42,880
in Rits away if it meets what the
agreement was.

597
00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:47,599
I think uh the swailes were were part of
a commission direction, but I know that

598
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,799
uh Mr. Freeman has worked and reached
out to some of the residents in that

599
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:56,400
area and is working to schedule a public
meeting uh with the residents, but we'll

600
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:01,200
re-evaluate and bring back with you. Um
again, the direction was do the swailes

601
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:05,200
um in conjunction with the Miami curb,
actually the swailes first. Um so now

602
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:09,200
there's some concern saying don't do the
swailes. So, we'll work on getting

603
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:13,200
appropriate clarification on how to go
forward with that.

604
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,480
» Okay. Just for everybody up here as we
backtrack through the comments, if you

605
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:18,240
all have any thoughts or anything, by
all means, please share. Commissioner

606
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,000
Sure.
>> Yeah, Mr. Martin, I you know, I'm glad

607
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:26,000
you guys are moving forward with these
projects, but I'm very discouraged that

608
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:29,520
there wasn't any communication that went
out to the neighbors prior. Um, you

609
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:35,359
know, years ago, actually, I spoke to
Mr. Archer earlier this week about this

610
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:39,359
and um you know year couple years ago
when those were initially installed

611
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:42,480
there was zero communication and you
know that was that wasn't a good it

612
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:46,640
wasn't good for the public and there was
there was a lot of you know outcry over

613
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:50,319
that and I you know when we give
direction to you my assumption would be

614
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:55,280
you know that we we've all stressed home
how important communication is to the

615
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:59,920
community and uh I was a bit you know
taken back when I got a call Tuesday

616
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:04,240
morning hearing that there weren't any
um you know any door placers or maybe

617
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:07,440
even just like a a meeting before you
know they they started seeing you know

618
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:10,880
tail yeah like a tailgate meeting of
some sort for the residents just to have

619
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,520
that level of uh you know I think
somebody mentioned earlier tonight about

620
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,760
transparency and I think that would have
just been key so I was a little let down

621
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:20,720
in the fact that we didn't have uh a
conversation with the residents in that

622
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,640
area.
>> Mr. Finally,

623
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:30,000
» um,
one issue that Miss Thompson raised was

624
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:33,760
had to do with the sidewalks on the west
side of John Anderson. Uh,

625
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,559
» the ones that go to nowhere.
>> Yeah.

626
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,880
» Right.
>> Yeah. So, I was just curious if there's

627
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:43,440
any comment about that or if we have any
any uh independent knowledge of when

628
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:47,599
that's going to conclude and where it's
going to go. I believe, and correct me

629
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,040
if I'm wrong, Miss Thompson, you
indicated that she doesn't believe the

630
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:55,599
sidewalks are necessary as in other
words, the sidewalk. I've raised that

631
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:00,640
issue with uh Mr. Belchi. Um there have
been a lot of vacations, so I remain in

632
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:08,240
contact with Mr. Belchi. Um she raised
the issue of uh replacing some of the

633
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:12,319
breaches, the access roads. Um
uh so Mr. Belchi appears made some

634
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:16,880
effort. Um, I will reach out to him
again and ask him to improve that effort

635
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:21,040
as well. But although the sidewalks I
believe have been staked out, I'm not

636
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:25,839
aware of any imminent effort for them to
install those sidewalks.

637
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:31,440
» Okay. Thank you. Can you
when you and Mr. Belchi connect, cuz I

638
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:34,880
know you all been back and forth with,
you know, time off and vacations and

639
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:42,079
stuff.
Can you send a um an email to Miss

640
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:44,240
Thompson and copy us or something so we
all kind of at least understand where

641
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,319
those things are?
>> Sure.

642
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:50,000
» Cuz I don't know anything about the
sidewalk and and that's something that I

643
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,119
would like to know about.
>> Okay.

644
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:00,160
» Um we'll move up to Mr. Archer's
comments that you were talking about

645
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:03,440
there, Commissioner Sherman. Um,
one of the questions that was brought up

646
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:08,079
was,
um, why not 15th and 16th South? That

647
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:13,520
was one of the questions I got out of
that. So, is that going to be another

648
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:17,440
phase, the swelles, or you know, there's
a lot of questions about the rationale

649
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,720
that drive those projects. I would have
to defer to Mr. Freeman what the plans

650
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:25,359
are and where the swailes are going. I
know again the original direction was do

651
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:29,760
the swailes on the numbered streets
um in conjunction with the Miami curb.

652
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:33,200
So we'll again working with Mr. Freeman,
we'll re-evaluate that entire project

653
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:38,559
and bring it back to you before any more
effort is extended. Mr. Freeman, did you

654
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:45,040
have anything you want to add? So we
understand about the 15th and 16th.

655
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,240
» Okay. So it's not on this project. It
it'd have to be another phase that comes

656
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,240
before us and gets budgeted and all
that.

657
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:56,799
» I got something.
>> Yes, sir.

658
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:01,599
five months ago at the April 9th
meeting. I was going to save this till

659
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:07,599
the end, but it came up and I had to go
back and watch the YouTube video again.

660
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:11,680
City engineer said, "We have a standard
detail for swirls." I wrote it down

661
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:17,200
because it was closed caption. I could
write it.

662
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:21,359
We have a
we have a standard detail for swelles.

663
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:26,160
we can put the scope of work together
and bring that forward to the commission

664
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:31,760
for consideration at a later date. That
was never done.

665
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:36,480
Um that's when Dale said that
quote the Miami curb will be slowwalked

666
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:43,480
until the Miami curb and swells can be
done in conjunction

667
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,480
and figure out how to move that forward

668
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,160
and

669
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:58,240
I met with Mr. Archer also
and I see what his concern is.

670
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:03,520
That's not a swell on the side of his
house unless it's changed since I saw

671
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:09,640
it. That's a ditch.
It doesn't follow the uh construction

672
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,640
detail.

673
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,880
Someone else said the there was our mini
excavators what was what what did the

674
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:26,799
work and I think we were told in last
meeting we rented a grade which I

675
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:31,039
questioned because that's a specialized
piece of equipment.

676
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:35,319
Where is that at and what's it doing now
if it was supposed to be for the

677
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:35,319
swailes?

678
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:46,680
Come on up city engineer please.
I did see the great all maintenance shop

679
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,680
for a while.

680
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:53,839
So, the greatall currently had some
mechanical issues and we're working with

681
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:59,920
the rental company to address those
mechanical issues. As far as other

682
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:03,280
questions, you also asked about uh
swale. So, it's not complete yet.

683
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:07,599
There's a lot more work that needs to be
done. They only just scratched the

684
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:12,319
surface.
What about the

685
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:18,880
Well, you said you was going to bring
the scope back to the commission.

686
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:22,000
» So, we're doing we're doing it in house.
>> I don't have bids from anybody. We're

687
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:26,720
doing it in house.
>> There still needs to be a scope,

688
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:33,760
» right? So, we have a standard detail
ST-11.

689
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:37,920
» I'm fully aware of the standard detail,
but that sometimes standard detail

690
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:41,680
doesn't always work for every single
road, just like Mr. Georgia was saying

691
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:45,599
» that's correct. There's some case by
case basis where you have to look at the

692
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:50,559
situation and figure out whether or not
that can work in that location. So, it's

693
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:55,599
not going to be universal throughout
every every location.

694
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,640
There's a couple areas where it's either
too steep or there's a dune or there's

695
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:05,440
something impeding where you can put the
whale. So, it's not like it just goes

696
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:09,839
everywhere.
>> There's mechanical issues with the grade

697
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:15,240
hall. We're still paying rent on it.
>> They said they would credit us for any

698
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,240
time that it's down.

699
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,720
But they're taking a look at it.

700
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:29,440
So, by doing it in house, in your mind,
you didn't need to bring anything back

701
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:34,319
to the commission for consideration like
you said on April 9th. Is that right?

702
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:40,160
it. Like I said, in my mind, it didn't
go out to bid, so there was nothing to

703
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:43,960
bring back as far as uh any proposals or
bids or anything like that.

704
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,280
That doesn't jive
with what you said in the April 9th

705
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:56,400
meeting. You said you were going to
bring it back to us

706
01:06:53,920 --> 01:07:01,200
before the Miami curve has even started.
and you made the decision, you said in

707
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:06,880
the last meeting to go ahead and do the
Miami curbs anyway first. Why do you

708
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,760
think that you can change what the
commission's direction is? And Dale, I

709
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:16,319
ask you, is that acceptable to you for
him to make a decision like that?

710
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,640
No, we discussed this at the last
meeting that Mr. Freeman accepted

711
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:24,000
responsibility for not following
commission direction.

712
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:30,039
» So, what's the He's being held
accountable. comments are in his annual

713
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,039
evaluation for that.

714
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:46,400
Very poor. That's all I got.
All right. Any other comments on the

715
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:52,559
swale project that's going on?
Next one was from uh Mr. McFaden about

716
01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:56,960
the fire hydrants. Um, and correct me if
I'm wrong. What we were told is those

717
01:07:54,319 --> 01:08:00,960
were approved by a third party vendor.
Um, so just, and by the way, welcome

718
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:04,960
Rick. I didn't recognize you under the
hat and the beard and everything until I

719
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:10,400
heard your voice. Had no idea it was
you, but um I had not heard anything

720
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:14,319
about um
uh about you proving it. We were told in

721
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:18,000
the meeting that it was a third party
that that did that.

722
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:22,159
» No, Mr. Chairman, I made that comment.
Mr. for Freeman and the fire chief went

723
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:26,480
out and investigated and that fire
hydrant was not changed at all during

724
01:08:24,719 --> 01:08:32,319
the construction of the hotel. That was
a pre-existing hydrant at that location.

725
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:38,640
Um, interim chief uh Cordier has gone
and inspected and it is accessible. You

726
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:42,799
can use it in an emergency, which a fire
would be an emergency obviously. Um, you

727
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:47,520
can barely get attached the hose to it,
but there is no valve which was also

728
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:51,839
part of the project. But that hydrant
was at the existing location. We have

729
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:56,640
photos of before kite hotel construction
and post hotel construction. That

730
01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:00,480
hydrant was not modified or altered in
any way due to the construction of the

731
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:06,400
hotel.
And Miss Buckingham brought this up at

732
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:11,359
the conclusion of last meeting. She
said, you know, can't we

733
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:16,480
just dig out around that hydrant and put
like, you know, small little retention

734
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:22,000
area like to hold the dirt back, you
know, say x amount of feet around it so

735
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:27,359
hose can easily get to it for the time
being until this that big project's

736
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:32,239
done. The it is possible and Mr. Freeman
and Mr. Cordier sent me photos. It is

737
01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:36,080
possible to connect the hose to it. That
doesn't solve the issue of if we want to

738
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:42,239
raise it
Chief Cordier has said that he would

739
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:45,600
rather than use that hydrant, he even
though it's usable, he would use the

740
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:49,679
hydrant on the opposite corner of the
hotel

741
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:53,679
because it doesn't meet code, right? As
it is right now, it does not meet code.

742
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:58,320
And they cited the specific code. So,
we're going to have to raise that fire

743
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,920
hydrant. And you and in order to raise
the hydrant, you have to turn the water

744
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:05,360
off. And there are no valves in that
immediate area to turn it off. That's

745
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:11,040
what leads to the big project. So that's
the hydrant right now is functional. Uh

746
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:14,320
you can't attach a hose to it. It
according to chief coordinator you can

747
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,840
barely get a couple of fingers
underneath the connection once you make

748
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:23,199
the connection. But it can be connected
and it can be utilized if necessary.

749
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:27,360
That doesn't solve the problem of
revising or reconstructing that hydrant

750
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:31,520
so it meets current code. So that's
we'll have to review that. that was part

751
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:34,480
of the original proposal um that you
expressed concern like okay is it going

752
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:38,640
to have to close down Second Street for
an extended period of time that'll be

753
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:42,719
reviewed now that we know that the
hydrant is functional so is there

754
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,159
appropriate time and how can we scale
that project so it doesn't affect second

755
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:51,360
street as much as it as much as it
affected third street last year

756
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:55,440
» right like try to if there is going to
be any closures try to do them overnight

757
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,840
and then open it up during the day or
something

758
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:02,960
» correct
>> okay Next uh comment was from Mr.

759
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:07,199
Mckika. Um a backup for the hazardous
waste drop off.

760
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:11,280
Mr. Sherman, you have something?
>> Yeah, I actually um I'm glad he brought

761
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:15,440
that up. There was a I listened to the
county meeting maybe a week or two ago

762
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:18,719
and I believe um Commissioner Carney had
mentioned there might be like different

763
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:23,280
locations like we've done years ago. You
probably remember when you could drop

764
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,239
off your stuff at the library. um you
could take like hazardous waste like if

765
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:30,800
you had like pesticides or something
like that and they'd pick it up right

766
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:33,280
there for us. Um I thought there was a
um at that county meeting I was

767
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:36,320
listening to I believe they did say
they're going to have different areas

768
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,280
like set up throughout the county that
you'll be able to drop them off and I

769
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:42,480
think they did say like the old Kings
location would be one of the locations

770
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:45,840
and you know I guess there'd be some
sort of like public service announcement

771
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:50,640
for those throughout the year when they
would have those um events and

772
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:54,000
» that would also be for municipalities.
Yeah, that would I would assume. So,

773
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,719
yeah, I mean, I didn't get, you know, I
was just kind of just listening in. I

774
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,679
didn't really wasn't fully locked in,
but I know Commissioner Carney is having

775
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:03,679
a town hall. Maybe that'd be a question
somebody could present to her.

776
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:06,480
» City Manager, do you have any feedback
on that?

777
01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:11,199
» Um, I've been in communities before that
have had a community collection day. Um,

778
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:15,840
Mr. Huntington from Waste Management is
here this evening to talk about the

779
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:20,159
their contract extension proposal. So he
might at that time when you bring that

780
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:23,199
forward that issue forward, he might be
able to offer some comment or some

781
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:26,560
insight as to how the city can
coordinate that either with other

782
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,480
communities in the county or the county
itself.

783
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:36,560
» And would you be able to find out with
county where they're at with it? See if

784
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:40,000
we're part of those plans.
>> And again, as Commissioner Sherman

785
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:45,120
indicated, uh, Commissioner Carney is
having a town hall in I think two weeks

786
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:49,280
a week, a week to two weeks. Um, so we
can uh we can coordinate with the county

787
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:57,760
on that.
>> All right. Next one is Miss McNab about

788
01:12:54,159 --> 01:13:03,600
this is about 18th being skipped. Um,
this is more of the the the whole

789
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:09,040
drainage and swale project. That was the
first part. Um,

790
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:14,400
city engineer, um, can you give us some
insight on 18th as as part of that

791
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:17,840
project?
18th is part of the project. So it is

792
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,239
not being skipped.
>> Well, it part of so we're in the design

793
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:26,640
what what precipitated the whole
discussion about Oak Place was a

794
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:31,040
resident expressed concern that vehicles
could not access adequately access their

795
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:37,280
property. So that led to discussion
about improving access on Oak Place,

796
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:42,560
including the uh presentation and
adoption of a design standard that used

797
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:45,760
that geoexile stuff. And again, I think
that was primarily driven by one

798
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:49,840
resident. So, it's great to hear from
the other residents that they may not be

799
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:54,480
interested in that project. It's only in
the preliminary design stages at this

800
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:59,520
point. And if there's no desire to move
forward with improving Oak Street and

801
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:05,040
connect because part of the argument
originally posed was postal vehicles,

802
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:08,960
which I've come from several residents,
understand that postal vehicles do

803
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:12,080
access that street as well as other
delivery vehicles. That was not

804
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:16,640
originally presented. It was originally
presented that postal service vehicles

805
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:21,040
wouldn't go down that street because
there had no place to turn around.

806
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:25,760
That's what led to the the discussion
about okay, so how do we make it so that

807
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:30,080
vehicles have completely through access
and that was the 18th Street right

808
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:34,800
ofway. So that's only been part of the
design and again there's if anything was

809
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:39,199
going to go forward with that it would
come forward to you but at this point in

810
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:44,719
time it was only in design phase and
based upon the resident's concerns

811
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:48,880
I don't think there's the sufficient
level of interest among the other

812
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:55,280
residents to continue that project or at
least to revisit what is the desired

813
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:59,600
intent to improve 18th Street. So, I
look forward to uh working with the

814
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:03,199
residents, Mr. Freeman and I will work
with the residents and share with them,

815
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:06,000
okay, what are their concerns and how
can we address the concerns that were

816
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:08,159
previously stated?
>> Mr. Sherman.

817
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:11,040
» Yeah, Mr. Martin, I I want to go
backwards. I think we got to clear the

818
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:14,400
record. The post office does not will
not go down that road. I think uh our

819
01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:17,600
city clerk can speak to that too that
the former police chief tried to work

820
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:21,199
with the postmaster. That was a whole
thing long before your time. So, the

821
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:24,960
post office will not go down that road.
I know delivery trucks will. And I think

822
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,920
where the this whole thing comes up,
just so for the public's record, they

823
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:32,960
understand what happened. We had a
resident break their hip. The road needs

824
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,600
to be resurfaced over there. The um
apparently, you know, Mr. Martin, you

825
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,719
might be able to speak to this too, that
the the condition of the road was not

826
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:45,199
safe enough, I guess, for the first
responders to go down that road to get

827
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:49,679
the individual um you know, safely into
the vehicle. So, they actually had to

828
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:54,320
wheel a stretcher there to get the woman
with the broken hip out of her driveway.

829
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:57,360
who been who had been laying there. So,
I don't know. You know, maybe it then

830
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:01,280
snowballed into, okay, are we going to
open up the road? I think what we need

831
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,960
to do, you know, again, I I'm not the
engineer here or anything, but I think

832
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:09,120
what the goal of it all was to do was to
get that road resurfaced. I don't think

833
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,800
there was any, you know, is it tight
since the new construction with some of

834
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,239
the homes, new homes that were built
there. Um, yes, but like, you know, the

835
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,840
other homes have been there for years
and it hasn't ever been an issue. So, I

836
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:24,560
think the issue came up was the
condition of the surface of the road

837
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:28,320
there that uh prevented the first
responders from going to that

838
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:31,920
individual's house right there. Said
they again they had to wheel a stretcher

839
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:36,560
down the road due to the condition of
the surface of the road.

840
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:40,080
» And again, I'll defer to Mr. Freeman,
but I believe we put the millings down

841
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:44,480
that were originally requested and
they've been compacted to improve that

842
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:48,159
access. Whether there needs to be more
work done, again, I'd have to defer to

843
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:52,719
Mr. Freeman on that, but I know that we
did make a preliminary effort to improve

844
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:56,080
accessibility to that portion of Oak
Place.

845
01:16:54,159 --> 01:17:01,480
» Mr. Freeman,
you could um bring us up to speed on

846
01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:01,480
that, please.

847
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:08,719
» Yes. So, several months back when we
first heard the uh complaint or the

848
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:14,040
concern, we did go and place millings
down and uh improve the uh roadway.

849
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:22,560
and I haven't heard any complaints about
it since then other than from the one

850
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:27,280
person who didn't really care for it.
>> Do you get any other feedback?

851
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:30,320
» Uh same feedback as the city engineer um
that the you know that they they felt

852
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:34,640
like the millings actually made it a
little bit more bumpy than um better

853
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:40,080
than what it was. Um and then that's I
think when the geo you're the material

854
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:43,920
you had proposed to put down on the road
there. Um, but that's that's the last I

855
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:46,960
had heard and I was unable to
corroborate, you know, whether or not

856
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:51,520
there was an emergency vehicle that had
issues going down there. I could not

857
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:56,400
corroborate that story.
>> Commissioner Sprley. Yeah, I've heard

858
01:17:53,199 --> 01:18:02,400
from a few constituents in the area um
who line up with um suddenly spoke here

859
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:08,719
tonight, including Miss Andre, who asked
for a meeting and actually replied back

860
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:13,600
to you this morning. Um and so
from those three or four folks in the

861
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:17,840
neighborhood there on 18th uh their
message was that they they are not in

862
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:20,640
favor of removing those trees and there
I didn't hear any discussion about the

863
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:23,679
condition of the road. It was mostly the
trees.

864
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:28,480
» Okay. Mayor
>> I can just say that yes rescue could not

865
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:32,719
get downrace. They had to walk in and
carry the victim out. I can't attest to

866
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,000
this.
>> Or I mean what?

867
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:41,040
» I believe it was the condition of the
roadway. They just could not either get

868
01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:44,040
in or get through it. But that did
happen.

869
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:52,480
» I had I had an email from a different
resident that I believe Commissioner

870
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:57,199
Santo spoke to that was intimately or
personally involved with that rescue

871
01:18:54,239 --> 01:19:04,400
effort. And I mean based upon their
accounting, they had to assist the

872
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:09,440
victim to the rescue vehicle. So again,
I think that is um lends some

873
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:14,960
credibility to the fact that the rescue
vehicle could not get there um with the

874
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:18,640
condition of the road. So um we can
revisit that project. There's it's it's

875
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:23,600
only the design phase. We'll gladly
reach out and talk to the residents and

876
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:27,440
see what uh what the overall interest is
among people. But again, the the few

877
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:32,640
that have contacted me through an email
or telephone um has been that they do

878
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:38,719
not desire significant improvements to
Oak Place and not uh and definitely not

879
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,800
South 18th Street.
>> Got it. And I'm going to just jump

880
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:50,159
around a little bit because this was
also brought up um Andre about Oak Place

881
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:52,880
Road being finished.
The only thing that's being done is just

882
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:56,560
surveys right now.
>> Correct. Okay. And that's part of the

883
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:59,920
design,
but as far as the project goes, none of

884
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,520
that has been brought forward, approved
or anything.

885
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:06,239
» Absolutely not.
>> Right. Okay. Because that was also a

886
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:12,239
public comment. Any comments from up
here about that whole 18th and access

887
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:19,360
and that's a whole another agenda item
really. I would like to see in city

888
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:24,640
engineer and city manager host a town
hall, meet with the residents that are

889
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:32,400
impacted by it and get a more general
feeling of what they wish to see, not

890
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:36,719
just one resident but right the whole
>> Yeah. numerous things at play. You got

891
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:40,719
accessibility issues, then you have the
ego factor. Sure. I mean there there's a

892
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:44,560
lot of pieces of that,
but I I would feel pretty confident with

893
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:50,400
city manager and engineer meeting with
the residents coming up with something.

894
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:55,120
Yeah. I mean it just for me. Okay. So
you got to re uh you have to remove

895
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:59,520
three or no six trees in order to get
the typical section that we were talking

896
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:03,760
about. One of the other issues that I
see is that there's some wetlands at the

897
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:08,400
northern edge of that road and we would
be affecting the buffer of the wetlands

898
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:16,199
uh by doing some of the widening and
that's just something that if you ask me

899
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:16,199
I think that's u money not well spent.

900
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:24,000
Any other thoughts on that?
>> Commissioning you would have to pay

901
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:26,239
mitigation credits and they're very
expensive.

902
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:31,520
» I I just don't think it's a very good
idea at all. No, I wouldn't pursue it.

903
01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:35,760
» So, if you wanted to ask my opinion, I'd
say

904
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:40,320
squish it. Leave it alone.
Okay. Well, that comes back up, we can

905
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:45,280
make that decision formally.
>> Take We'll take a closer look at the

906
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:51,280
viability or sustainability of the road
with the millings, at least how far can

907
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:55,920
that be reasonably extended to provide
adequate access. and we can work again

908
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:59,040
with the residents of that area and and
uh come up with a solution to present

909
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:04,480
back to you before we do anything.
>> Well, and you also suggested back then

910
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:08,320
there was another solution about the
construction of that road. It was

911
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:11,840
something that had to do with the
>> what we were looking at for the road

912
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:14,800
improvement where the Barnhill property
was. You know,

913
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:19,760
» that's the geoexile, right?
>> And again, that that could be an option

914
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:23,120
a more expensive option than millings.
But again, we can present options to you

915
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:25,120
after we discuss the options with the
rest.

916
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:26,080
» Good thing is that's permeable versus
the milling.

917
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,280
» Correct.
>> Yeah. Right.

918
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:32,560
» All right. Next thing is there anything
else on that? Okay.

919
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:35,600
» Um actually Miss McNab also had a
question about she had a hurried comment

920
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:39,280
about access to
>> ADA on the pier.

921
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:45,440
» Right. And the pier is completely um
Miss Overreet sent an email to uh Mr.

922
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:51,679
Predomo based upon some uh ADA
compliance and the pier is that slope

923
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:56,080
meets the necessary ADA compliance for
accessibility

924
01:22:53,199 --> 01:23:00,000
um to the full extent of the pier.
>> Okay.

925
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:03,280
» 2010 ADA standards for accessible design
including

926
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:09,280
» your mic on Penny.
the 2010 ADA standards for accessible

927
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:14,120
design including the specific precisions
provisions for fishing peers and

928
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,120
platforms.

929
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:23,360
All right, next com was from Matali.
This is on the

930
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:28,560
McKim Creed information not being
accurate on the lift station and the

931
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:31,679
elevations for Palm Drive. Is that
something you want to take?

932
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:35,600
» We could take Mr. Spatonia. I had a
lengthy phone call yesterday. I

933
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:39,440
discussed it with uh Mr. Freeman and
we're trying to coordinate a meeting

934
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:44,719
with Mr. Bali to go over um what the
Mckimman study says and what are

935
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:50,719
discrepancies between what's real on the
ground and what is indicated in the uh

936
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:56,159
um McKim and Creed study I think Mr.
hospitality's principal concern is does

937
01:23:54,480 --> 01:24:00,480
the McKim and Creed study yes it
improves the resiliency of the component

938
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:04,960
the lift station but is it
overengineered and I think that's what

939
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:09,520
we'll talk about with uh Mr. Spatali and
Mr. Freeman

940
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:14,800
got it
and not to skip over anybody but we had

941
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:20,320
a comment from Mr. Bakers also Mr.
Madson about, you know, pure bait shop

942
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:25,120
um possible city stuff that that can be
something that should that come up, city

943
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:27,360
manager, you know, you got those uh
folks information, you can reach out to

944
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:30,800
them.
>> Correct. And that's still part of the

945
01:24:28,719 --> 01:24:36,000
ongoing discussion as we prepare for the
peer reopening. So,

946
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:42,560
» next one was uh uh Rich from he was
talking about golf course and uh HR

947
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:48,000
issues. Um any comments on that from up
here? the golf course. Um the next

948
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:52,719
measuring point in accordance with the
purchase agreement is in March. So we

949
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:58,239
were continuing to maintain uh
observation but the next uh point in as

950
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:03,600
specified in the purchase agreement is a
review of the conditions um in March and

951
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:08,159
if he doesn't meet those conditions he
can ask for I believe you may correct me

952
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:11,040
Mr. I believe he can ask for a one-year
extension.

953
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,199
» That's correct. And also just for the
record so everybody is aware I think you

954
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:18,159
are but their final site plan
application was before parboard and that

955
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,560
will be coming to you. I don't know
exactly what meeting that's scheduled

956
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:27,199
for but that will be coming for you
shortly. Also

957
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:33,199
» waiting for them to get the um
I think it's on yeah October

958
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:37,040
I just saw it. I'm sorry I blanked on
the date

959
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:41,760
» and it but that it was approved but
there are several conditions that have

960
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:46,239
to be satisfied as part of the site plan
approval that was reviewed by the power

961
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:49,199
board. So there's still some work to do.
>> Right, Commissioner Sean?

962
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,920
» Yeah, I you know just seeing the
condition of the golf course, I saw it

963
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:55,760
about a month ago and I you know you and
I have had a conversation about it and

964
01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:01,120
it's atrocious. I mean that that's the
that's the way to describe it. Um the

965
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:04,239
grass was up to you know I'm a tall guy.
it was close to my, you know, knee

966
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:07,840
height and the guy was out there cutting
it, but it's like how how long did it

967
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,800
take to get to that point and, you know,
I thought, you know, it's all part of

968
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:14,560
being good neighbors and things like
that. And I just I'm I'm really let

969
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:18,159
down. Um, these were some of the
concerns with the sale of the golf

970
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:21,120
course as to why I, you know, I' I've
expressed this to you. I've expressed

971
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:26,159
these same things to the city attorney
on many occasions. So, um, you know, I

972
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:30,080
don't know what we can do as far as a
city goes. As far as like, you know, I

973
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:33,040
know you can't go code enforcement,
correct me if I'm wrong, city attorney,

974
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:35,679
they can't go in somebody, they can't go
walk on somebody's property to see the

975
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:39,120
condition of the golf course. They have
to see it from plain view. Is that

976
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:42,159
right? Permission. Permission warrant to
go on private property. You can see it

977
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:45,280
from a neighbor's property though. So,
if there's a neighbor complainant, a

978
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:49,120
neighbor is always is always able to
invite code onto their property if a

979
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,239
violation that would not otherwise be
able to be seen from a rideway. Anywhere

980
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,280
the everywhere where you already have
the right to be, you can have per if you

981
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,000
can't see it from the right of way, you
have to have permission or a warrant to

982
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:01,760
go onto private property. But a neighbor
can give permission to go onto their

983
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:06,000
property to allow observation. And are
there per are there things that can be

984
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,199
held accountable for? Because I' I've
been notified by neighbors there's

985
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:12,800
alligators roaming around out there and
you know there's people's backyards with

986
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:16,159
young kids that back up to that. You
know, I'm you know, again, when you have

987
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:21,440
conditions like that, that's more
conducive for wildlife to maybe roam a

988
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:23,040
little bit more freely in those areas.
And

989
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:27,600
» the code is what they're held
accountable to. So, to the extent, so

990
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:31,679
over overgrown grass, dud debris, pile
of dud debris, those kind of things can

991
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:36,639
be addressed. Yes.
>> Animals to the extent that that you're

992
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:40,400
creating, you know, you're creating a
nuisance habitat through the other

993
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:44,080
things potentially. But I don't think
the code speaks directly to alligators,

994
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:47,360
for instance. But to the extent that
they're they're finding a hiding space

995
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,040
in in overgrown grass, you can address
the overgrown grass.

996
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,679
» Okay.
>> Right. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

997
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,760
» Uh well, this several meetings ago about
all the debris on the golf course that

998
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:01,440
was left behind that really a fire
hazard because it's so dried out. And I

999
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,600
think you said you were going to get in
touch with code enforcement and have

1000
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,800
them go.
>> I had to ask code enforcement. I don't

1001
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:09,600
know if anything's coming with that, but
I have asked code enforcement to keep an

1002
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:12,639
eye on the property. But again, they are
limited in where they can go. They can't

1003
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,120
can't walk that property. They can see
what they can see from the right of way.

1004
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:19,280
» Well, if I can see it from the road of
my truck, I'm sure they can see it from

1005
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:24,400
where their vehicle
>> or from somebody's backyard

1006
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:28,639
that I'm sure would gladly let them walk
behind there.

1007
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:32,080
» Commissioner Sprley, I share the
concerns about the condition of the golf

1008
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:38,239
course. I was among those who thought
that um once the loan was funded, which

1009
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:44,560
was several months ago, that there would
be uh immediate improvement. Um and it

1010
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:51,760
just it's just disappointing that here
we are in September and there's no

1011
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:56,719
apparent improvement at all. So, um we
just need to keep our eye on it. Uh, I

1012
01:28:54,400 --> 01:29:01,199
know that now that he has a not just us
looking over his shoulder, but the bank

1013
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,199
looking over his shoulder because uh it
depends on the golf course becoming a

1014
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:08,400
golf course and creating revenue, but
he's going to be able to make his

1015
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:11,920
commitments to the to the bank. So, I'm
sure there are a lot of people looking,

1016
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,719
but we need to continue to keep that at
the top of our radar screen. Thanks.

1017
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:21,600
» That site plan review is on your October
8th agenda for consideration.

1018
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:26,639
Thank you.
>> All right, Commissioner Santo, it's hard

1019
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:29,280
for me to see you way over there, so I
apologize.

1020
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:33,600
» So, what would be the procedure for a
resident? They have a complaint to see,

1021
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:38,080
you know, trees laying down that have
been pulled out but not removed. Like,

1022
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,480
should they call code enforcement?
>> Instructions are allowed on their

1023
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:43,120
instructions on that call.
>> Absolutely. Call call enforcement. Say,

1024
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,760
"This is what I'm seeing from my yard.
You're welcome to come to my property. I

1025
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,080
can show you from my from my backyard or
wherever the viewpoint is." But

1026
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:53,600
absolutely call code enforcement.
>> Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chairman, I believe

1027
01:29:51,199 --> 01:29:56,400
based upon Commissioner Cunningham's
comments, Commissioner Sherman's

1028
01:29:54,719 --> 01:30:00,159
comments, and my observation, I will
check in with nobody needs to call

1029
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:04,159
enforce. I will discuss with code
enforcement tomorrow and make sure that

1030
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:07,840
the appropriate action is taken
immediately

1031
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:10,719
cuz yes, as Commissioner Cunningham
said, you can see it. You don't need to

1032
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:14,320
go on anybody's property. Just drive
down the road and look out your window.

1033
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,120
You can see it. So, I will reach out to
code enforcement and find where it

1034
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:23,440
stands tomorrow.
The whole whole golf course clubhouse

1035
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:28,960
is an eyesore. I mean, there's weeds
growing all up on the side of it. It's

1036
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:33,920
looks horrible. And I think aesthetics
is in code enforcement, isn't it?

1037
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:37,600
» Yeah.
>> Building basic building maintenance.

1038
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:40,840
» It looks terrible. I mean, let's go take
a look.

1039
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:49,920
» All right. Next thing we got is um Miss
Lynn was talking about numerous uh

1040
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:53,199
employee and HR related matters. Any
comments on that?

1041
01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:58,920
» Those are all being addressed by the
appropriate boards in compliance with

1042
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,920
the personnel policies

1043
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:08,960
» and uh
Mr. Termhoof was talking about and Penny

1044
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:13,199
there was a I believe there's a public
records request on legal fees or

1045
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:16,480
something like that. Did you have did
you give

1046
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:22,320
» I provided him that information and then
he also requested some resumes and

1047
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:28,000
applications. I provided some of those
and the second part that he requested on

1048
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:32,560
that requires review for redaction
because those applicants their

1049
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:36,400
information is exempt by Florida
statute. So, I have to review and

1050
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:40,080
redact. So, I did send him an invoice
and he said he was going to pay it today

1051
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:43,920
and once he pays it, I'll be happy to
move forward with that.

1052
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:51,120
» Right. Thank you.
Any other comments on public comment

1053
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:56,400
before we move on to consent agenda.
>> All right. Move on to consent agenda.

1054
01:31:53,840 --> 01:32:01,040
Consent agenda is regular and workshop
meeting minutes of August 27th, 2026 and

1055
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:07,360
special meeting minutes of September
2nd, 2026. Does everybody have a copy of

1056
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:10,360
that? Any discussion needed or
questions?

1057
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:18,080
No, just minutes. I look for a motion.
>> Motion to approve consent agenda.

1058
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,120
» I'll second that motion.
>> We have a motion and a second. No roll

1059
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:26,080
call need on this. All in favor, please
signify by saying I.

1060
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:30,840
» I. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimous.
General business. Mayor,

1061
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:44,800
I received a uh emailed uh grievance
report um for our charter uh that was

1062
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:49,679
elevated to me um August 18th. I
immediately turned and forwarded that to

1063
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:53,679
our city attorney at which time I'm
going to allow him to proceed. your

1064
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:58,000
personnel policies procedure provides
for if if a grievant is feels that they

1065
01:32:56,480 --> 01:33:01,679
cannot go to a city manager which is
step three of the grievance process that

1066
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:04,480
they may directed to the mayor the mayor
will report it to the commission and

1067
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:10,960
that's what just happened. So you now
have it as it says in your uh staff

1068
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:15,280
report. The purpose tonight is process
because with grievances and as you see

1069
01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:18,719
you have the steps there is a relatively
comparatively to other process. It's an

1070
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:21,920
informal process. It's a collaborative
process. It's not adversarial. It's not

1071
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:25,360
meant to have winners and losers. It's
not like those of you who have did come

1072
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,800
or have watched the personnel work. It's
not the same type of proceeding as

1073
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:32,239
those. It's about understanding what the
grievant is is trying to express what

1074
01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:36,239
issues they are trying to express to
whoever's hearing it. In this case, you

1075
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:40,320
are now the body hearing that grievance.
Um,

1076
01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:43,440
understanding those facts, identifying
if there are issues that you want to

1077
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:46,719
address and are operating within the
bounds of what your charter does

1078
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:51,199
provide, and you have that, too. So,
there's there's plenty of lane for you

1079
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:54,560
to deal with this, but you do still have
to stay within the guardrails that your

1080
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:58,960
charter creates on what you can and
can't do as to employees of the city. Um

1081
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:02,080
the fact that you are essentially
substituting for the city manager in

1082
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:06,000
step three of the grievance process does
not change what your charter says. With

1083
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:11,199
that in mind and again back to the
process not merits tonight because the

1084
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:15,120
the written grievance alludes to a broad
range of facts but I think even in the

1085
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:19,520
the grievance on statements he's not
presenting the specific facts. He wants

1086
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:22,639
that opportunity. So the first step that
we need to talk about is how do we want

1087
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:26,800
to give that opportunity? And the
suggestion I throw out there but there's

1088
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:31,040
lots of ways you could go. So it's open
to discussion. I do not mean to say you

1089
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:33,920
have to do this way, but from my eyes,
what seems to be probably the most

1090
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:38,000
effective way at this time is to have a
special meeting and invite the employee

1091
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:42,320
in to present again not an adversarial
capacity, in a listening capacity with

1092
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:47,280
what is it that you want your what facts
is it that you want us to see and hear.

1093
01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:50,960
But that's that's the starting spot.
happy to answer questions, but really

1094
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:54,639
the process you want to follow from this
point forward again with in that mindset

1095
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:59,440
of how do we identify issues, hear
facts, identify issues and determine

1096
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:03,679
what what we want to do as a body,
>> right? So, just for discussion purposes,

1097
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:08,400
um, city attorney, this is kind of what
I was thinking as well. City attorney is

1098
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:14,000
suggesting basically scheduling a
special meeting. So, there there's not

1099
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:19,120
any facts in in this to work with. So we
need to get the facts and data from this

1100
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:24,719
person. Um
discussion around the proposal of

1101
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:31,679
scheduling a special meeting to collect
that data. I want to discuss some of the

1102
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:37,280
details that's in our agenda that we got
surrounding the whole thing.

1103
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:41,400
the uh
when we got the email from

1104
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:48,040
today with the report that the

1105
01:35:51,760 --> 01:36:01,920
apparently supposed to be a nonbiased
attorney doing an investigation.

1106
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:11,440
And then I was looking at Rick
Bellhammer's email and

1107
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:15,080
it says that you were trying to dig up.
Can't really see.

1108
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:35,920
Collecting negative feedback.
about the employee

1109
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:40,639
so you could fire him.
Why as a city manager would you be doing

1110
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:45,119
something like that?
>> I stand by what was reported by the

1111
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:48,400
objective investigator that specifically
says no disciplinary action is

1112
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:52,320
recommended.
>> That wasn't my question.

1113
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,400
» I never intended anything like that.
>> Is that what you told Rick?

1114
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,960
» Nope.
>> In a meeting in your office like he's

1115
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,679
saying in his email.
>> I think Mr. Val Humor has presented

1116
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:02,679
things here before that have been
discredited.

1117
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:11,199
» Well, we'll invite him as well. I don't
I don't see Rig lying about something

1118
01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:14,920
like this.
I

1119
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:14,920
» mean, why would he?

1120
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:29,920
My understanding is we're discussing and
coming to a process agreement, not

1121
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:34,080
trying this issue and discussing the
issue at hand tonight. Am I correct?

1122
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:38,239
» Ultimately, you will have to hear the
facts involved, but it's up to the board

1123
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,840
where the board wants to take the
conversation.

1124
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,800
» Right.
>> Well, he was bringing up something that

1125
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:45,119
was in our packet, which is, you know,
it's fair game.

1126
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:48,239
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I mean, I had a couple other

1127
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:55,520
things, too.
Um, will you have another city employees

1128
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:58,960
help you get negative information on the
employee to help you with your process

1129
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,320
of getting him fired?
>> No.

1130
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,800
» Or firing him?
>> No. I've taken no discipline action

1131
01:38:02,719 --> 01:38:08,199
against the employee in question.
>> None at all.

1132
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:17,400
» So, it's your word against Rick Bellum's
word. What he's saying you're saying?

1133
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,400
» Okay.

1134
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:29,920
You know, I think somebody brought it
up. It seems like it's become a trend

1135
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,760
that
if you don't like somebody, they get

1136
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:39,040
fired.
It goes through the

1137
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:43,280
personnel uh board,
but they're obviously going to be

1138
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:47,360
biased. They're not supposed to be, but
they are my opinion.

1139
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:59,880
It's just showing a very poor lack of
leadership

1140
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,880
in my opinion.

1141
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:18,760
And we just got this today, the report
from the attorney. How much did that

1142
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:18,760
attorney cost? Approximately $11,000.

1143
01:39:28,480 --> 01:39:37,040
Yeah, this is going to have to be
dug into really deep.

1144
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:41,760
» Commissioner Stley. Yeah, I mean as I as
I see the agenda item and as uh the city

1145
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:45,600
attorney has pointed out, we are to
consider a procedure for handling these

1146
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:49,600
things. And I know in looking at the
current policy

1147
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:55,520
um and as Drew indicated there, there's
there's three steps here are three

1148
01:39:51,440 --> 01:40:02,080
different ways for a grievance to go
forward. uh with two of them ending up

1149
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:08,000
with the city manager making a
determination concerning the grievance

1150
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:14,080
and that his decision is final, no
further appeal. But if that path is not

1151
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:18,880
taken, then the grievance goes to the
mayor to then report it to the board.

1152
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:25,119
But there's missing from there. There's
not a mechanism after that uh to come to

1153
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:29,280
a conclusion and make a final decision.
Just to make sure one point is clear,

1154
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:32,480
you are you are substituting in for city
manager in step three. The grievance

1155
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:35,679
process does not contemplate you. There
is not an appeal that's brought to

1156
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:39,360
council of city manager. It's if a
employee feels that they cannot go to

1157
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:43,679
city manager, it creates an avenue for
them to come this process and you are

1158
01:40:41,679 --> 01:40:46,159
substituting in. So it's not you're not
after the city manager, you are

1159
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:52,719
replacing that step.
>> Okay. and is without it saying it is

1160
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:58,320
what is what should be here to make it
consistent that the commission will then

1161
01:40:56,239 --> 01:41:00,080
make a determination after evidence is
presented.

1162
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,840
» Correct.
>> Okay.

1163
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:05,920
» With a caveat. So you are still bound by
what your charter the the restraints of

1164
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:12,080
your charter.
>> Right. So it's highly constrained of

1165
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:17,679
where we get into employee matters.
>> Right. Right. Um, and I think that needs

1166
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:19,040
understood by all parties.
>> Commissioner Sherman, you had a

1167
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:22,080
question.
>> I just had a question, too, because

1168
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:25,600
you're commission, you know, I'm trying
to wrap my head around this because it's

1169
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:31,679
like the we've got this uh our
prohibitions here in section 2- uh 205,

1170
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:35,280
right? So, when you're saying it comes
back to us, and I, you know, we've kind

1171
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:40,719
of had some conversations about this
leading up to the meeting. Um, I guess

1172
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:44,080
my confusion is is so what exactly can
we do? like you said, we're replacing

1173
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:49,840
the city manager, but as Commissioner or
Chairman Cory had mentioned, we're we're

1174
01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:55,119
we're, you know, held to this charter.
So, when it does come to us, I know, you

1175
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:58,480
know, we can't, you know, we'll have a
special meeting, which I'm all for, and

1176
01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:02,719
and having, you know, all the facts
presented to us, but I guess my question

1177
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:06,480
is, what is it that we can do? Is it to
give the city manager direction on how

1178
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:10,080
there's actually handle that?
>> Quite a wide lane between the two things

1179
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:13,360
that you're prohibited from doing.
>> Okay. You cannot give direction on who's

1180
01:42:12,159 --> 01:42:16,480
hired, fired, retained.
>> Correct.

1181
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:19,040
» You cannot give individual employees
direction. Individual employees that are

1182
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:23,040
under the direction of city manager, you
cannot tell them what they have to do.

1183
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:27,679
» Okay. Within that lane, are there
policies that need to be changed? Are

1184
01:42:25,360 --> 01:42:31,840
there are there is there training that
needs to be accomplished? Think of it

1185
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:34,560
from a policy level. Instead of a we
need to tell this employee to do that,

1186
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:36,639
nope, you cannot do that. We need to
tell this employee to go, nope, you

1187
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,000
cannot do that.
>> Okay?

1188
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:41,600
» We need to tell city manager you need to
p you cannot do that. But what you can

1189
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:44,800
do is let's address our policies because
these personnel policies ultimately and

1190
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:47,840
you have the you have a third party
who's doing new personnel policies for

1191
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:52,320
you right now but your personnel
policies adopted by you. So if it's well

1192
01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:55,760
maybe we need to have a more robust
complaint process maybe we have need to

1193
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:00,080
have more detail in the process to help
administration you know there's a wide

1194
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:05,040
lane there when you think of it with a
policy line. Okay. And then can we all

1195
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,119
will we also bring into evidence the the
ca I guess the investigation the

1196
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:10,800
investigation
>> now that now that it's a public record

1197
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:14,480
if to the extent that there's overlap to
the extent that you find it relevant it

1198
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:18,320
may help you through the process but you
still need to go through this process on

1199
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:22,480
its own. Yeah I mean this might play in
if it overlaps facts but this process is

1200
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:26,080
is still separate from that.
>> Okay.

1201
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:29,119
» Well and I'll just try to simplify a
little bit. So step one is we need to

1202
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:34,159
hear from the employee.
>> We got to do that first. And so the the

1203
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:37,600
first part of our discussion, you know,
tonight should be all right, we need to

1204
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:43,119
hear from the employee. Are you all okay
with a special meeting to do that?

1205
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:44,719
Okay. And then the question is uh we'll
need to get on the calendar.

1206
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:52,440
» Mhm.
>> So what you got, Penny?

1207
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:52,440
» I have that up. Um so I need um

1208
01:43:52,639 --> 01:44:02,000
the first first day we could have what
three would be Monday the 14th. I have

1209
01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:10,800
that evening available. I'm assuming
you're wanting an evening meeting. Um

1210
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:17,760
on the 15th I have the evening,
16th is open, 17 oh all next week the

1211
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:25,639
whole evening is open
and then Monday the 21st.

1212
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:25,639
» Y'all be okay with next Thursday?

1213
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:34,040
I can do any day next week, but uh
Tuesdays aren't good for me, but any

1214
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:34,040
other day I can do,

1215
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:43,679
» you know, can you all do Thursdays
except Mayor?

1216
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:47,960
» I would have to miss the Northeast Floor
League of Cities meeting in Palatka

1217
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:56,639
and then Penny's going to want the money
back she gave me. Um I the 16th is like

1218
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:58,320
I said the 16th and the 15th doesn't
work for James.

1219
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:01,199
» No 16th.
>> Monday the 14th.

1220
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:04,080
» Yeah. Wednesday. I have a prior
commitment but I could send somebody

1221
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:08,560
else but I'm I'm a magistrate so I can't
send anybody else to that.

1222
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:12,600
» The 21st which is the following week. A
Monday that's available.

1223
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:19,600
» Yeah. Me too.
>> Um unfortunately

1224
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:22,560
that Monday will not work for me. Every
other date you mentioned what?

1225
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,960
» 16th.
>> The 22nd.

1226
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:28,239
» Tuesday.
>> I I can't do Tuesday.

1227
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:30,080
» Okay. The 23rd.
>> I can do the 23rd.

1228
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:35,040
» Same.
>> That's a Wednesday.

1229
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:38,560
» What time?
>> Whatever time you like. That whole day

1230
01:45:36,719 --> 01:45:40,800
is open.
>> 5:30.

1231
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:49,040
» I can't.
>> It is. You got consensus on that.

1232
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:51,199
» May 23rd.
So

1233
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:54,800
» do you want that a special meeting where
they can make decisions or special

1234
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:57,360
meeting? It's just for my respect my
answer question special meeting is a

1235
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:01,360
special meeting of a special meeting
under the law workshops. They don't take

1236
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:05,679
votes. Um and this is not when it really
this is you would be hearing more but

1237
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:11,280
you might then discuss and vote on
what's our next step. So they may take

1238
01:46:07,679 --> 01:46:17,840
procedural votes at that meeting.
So to just help the conversation further

1239
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:21,440
along, we got a date and this will be
for,

1240
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:25,760
you know, the employee to present their
data and their facts and for us to hear

1241
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:31,920
it and then it's listed as a special
meeting. So depending on how that goes,

1242
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:36,480
we can have discussion. We can decide
on, you know, further action. Do we need

1243
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:40,719
to hear from anybody else? Um, do we
need to make a decision? you know, and

1244
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:47,440
then we can take action or vote on that
depending on, you know, where that goes.

1245
01:46:45,440 --> 01:46:52,639
» Does that make sense, Mr. Sprley?
>> It was just third Wednesday. I mean,

1246
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:57,040
» it really makes sense, but to the
ultimate point, we make a decision. What

1247
01:46:54,960 --> 01:47:03,520
are we deciding? I mean, are we deciding
that there's been uh there's been a

1248
01:47:00,480 --> 01:47:09,280
failure to comply with with our current
procedure somehow or we're making a

1249
01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:13,840
decision that the um that our code needs
to be amended for resolution?

1250
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,360
» Challenge of where you sit right now
because until you hear those ultimate

1251
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:20,320
facts, you don't really know what you
what you might want to do with those

1252
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:25,360
facts. You really need the ultimate
facts to kind of narrow down what the

1253
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:28,320
appropriate response to those facts is.
Does that make sense?

1254
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,480
» It does.
>> Within the constraints of the charter.

1255
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:31,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1256
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:37,840
» Which is
>> can't can't recommend or can't direct

1257
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:39,119
the city manager concerning his
employees.

1258
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:43,199
» Yeah.
>> Right. But we can give direction to city

1259
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:48,560
manager
that on things that doesn't involve

1260
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:52,239
directing city employees.
Think of it as think of it as broad

1261
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:56,800
broad brushes broadstroke brushes
policies.

1262
01:47:53,119 --> 01:48:01,040
» Okay. All right. I'm with you.
>> It would not it would it would not be

1263
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:05,119
anything like personnel review board.
>> Okay. Good.

1264
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:09,119
» Does that answer the questions?
Commissioner Santor,

1265
01:48:06,480 --> 01:48:14,400
» I have a a couple questions. So, I mean,
when does I assume they're going to be

1266
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:18,719
submitting documentation on their sides
and like do they have to have a they

1267
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:22,400
have is there a certain date they need
to get that information to Penny by?

1268
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:24,400
» That's a good question. It's up up to
you guys. How much time do you want to

1269
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,639
review it,
>> right? Cuz

1270
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,840
» well, it needs to follow our standard
document process. The same amount of

1271
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:32,320
time we get from meetings, it needs to
be the same.

1272
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,719
» Well, this is a special this is a
special Well, this is a special meeting,

1273
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:37,040
right? And this is a special meeting,
too. So, you probably need to decide

1274
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:40,080
tonight. Yeah.
>> How much time you want to review any

1275
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:44,480
documents that are submitted.
>> We have a 3-w week lead on on

1276
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:48,719
» Well, we we usually get our information
the Friday before a meeting.

1277
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:53,040
» Correct.
>> Are you all okay with that?

1278
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:56,880
» We Yeah, because we have a Don't we have
a commission meeting the night next

1279
01:48:56,480 --> 01:49:00,560
commission?
>> Yeah. So if we could get it a little bit

1280
01:48:58,639 --> 01:49:05,040
the f like the Wednesday before so then
we can prepare for that and then

1281
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:11,280
» the deadline for um the employee to get
that information made to me would be

1282
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:16,320
you would actually want it on Tuesday
the 15th so I could provide it to you on

1283
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:22,159
Wednesday the 16th
>> at the latest you know and if employee

1284
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:24,719
can get it to us sooner even better
but that would be the the deadline.

1285
01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:28,000
You'all okay with that?
>> Yeah.

1286
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:31,760
» Yes. And my other question would be, you
know, how long is this meeting set to?

1287
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:35,600
Do we have to pick a date or um how long
it'll be or how much time we'll give the

1288
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:38,480
employee to present if they are
presenting?

1289
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:42,520
Those are things we should probably hash
out before that date.

1290
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,920
Thoughts on that?

1291
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:53,760
» I was going to ask city attorney what
your do you have any recommendation on

1292
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:57,760
tonight? Again, given the the breadth of
the items discussed in writing, I I

1293
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:02,480
don't know how much time the employee
would need. So, if you want to put a cap

1294
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:07,199
on the meeting, I don't have an issue
with you capping the meeting. But if

1295
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:10,080
let's say you put let's put a 2-hour cap
on it and you hit 2 hours and the

1296
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:14,719
employee is halfway through his
presentation, do you grant an extension

1297
01:50:12,639 --> 01:50:17,679
or do you continue the hearing? What do
you do? Because again, we're just kind

1298
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:22,239
of in an amorphous spark. We don't know
how much fun the employee is going to

1299
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:27,119
take. And again, the the purpose is to
allow them to present um fairly

1300
01:50:25,679 --> 01:50:31,840
reasonably to the point I know the board
is making. But from my perspective,

1301
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:35,760
first threshold is to make sure they get
that full opportunity. So if you think 2

1302
01:50:33,679 --> 01:50:39,600
hours fair, you say two hours, so be it.
I do think that giving some idea up

1303
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:42,639
front is helpful to the employee too
because that way they can they can

1304
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:45,760
program how they want to present, how
they want to prioritize. So I do think

1305
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:48,800
it's helpful for both parties to have
that discussion. But rather than

1306
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:52,560
thinking of it, okay, if we say two
hours and two hours and you're

1307
01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:55,840
two-thirds time for the last third, you
might just say at that point, let's

1308
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:59,199
continue on because you're also thinking
of everybody's mental energy, employees

1309
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:02,000
mental energy, and it's a lot to ask an
employee to to do, too. So, there's some

1310
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:04,800
courtesy to employee that comes into
that conversation. You don't want to

1311
01:51:03,440 --> 01:51:10,320
force somebody to stand in front of you
for hours presenting. Commissioner

1312
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:15,440
Smileley, it strikes me that um maybe
something like uh the employee being

1313
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:22,480
told that they should try to make their
presentation fit within 1 hour. Uh and

1314
01:51:19,199 --> 01:51:27,840
then if during the uh during the
meeting, you know, if additional time is

1315
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:34,320
requested, then you know, a reasonable
response would be given. But I think if

1316
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:38,719
you set it up to frame the uh
presentation of the grievance to 1 hour,

1317
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:43,119
I think that would uh you know subject
to extension if necessary. I think that

1318
01:51:40,719 --> 01:51:48,560
would be helpful to the employee and us
that that's kind of where I was at. I

1319
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:55,920
wouldn't want to put a hard cap on the
meeting right length duration as a

1320
01:51:53,280 --> 01:52:01,440
presentation of data facts and uh the
grievance itself.

1321
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:07,280
Um, I think 60 minutes is good and then
from there

1322
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:13,760
then we can get into questions for, you
know, the employee. Um, but their time

1323
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:18,480
to present really needs to be
for us to hold our questions, write them

1324
01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:21,920
down while they're presenting, then ask
at the end, and then we can go from

1325
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:25,440
there with meeting time. Does that sound
okay, Mayor?

1326
01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:32,480
» I agree. should have the documentation
to pre-eread so we'll have an idea. So

1327
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:36,800
not every word needs to be spoken. I
think an hour would be fair as long as

1328
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:44,639
we receive the documentation in time to
review it and then we go from there,

1329
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:50,239
» you know. And also if if we're making
good time and it's productive and and

1330
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:55,199
we're kind of trying to stick to a time
if something

1331
01:52:53,040 --> 01:53:00,719
very big comes up you know we can always
adjust to a meeting if we need to but I

1332
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:06,560
wouldn't want to hardcap the actual
meeting duration itself because we might

1333
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:12,239
get into an hour discussion ourselves
right Penny did you have something

1334
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:14,960
» if Um, someone asked me for this
information like the media is it public

1335
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:18,960
record?
>> You're talking about the you the

1336
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:24,560
information to this
>> whatever submitted to me to provide to

1337
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:29,840
» it's public record subject if if any of
it in claim redactable information you s

1338
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:32,639
but yeah this is not this is not a
confidential process. This is a public

1339
01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:35,119
process.
>> Mr.

1340
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:39,920
» Yeah, I was also going to ask uh Mr.
Martin, would you also be able to

1341
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:43,840
provide us with the or um the employee
current employee handbook? So, as to

1342
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:48,719
what our city attorney said, uh looking
at this with a broad stroke to see, um I

1343
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:53,840
know we're in the process of having, you
know, third party rewrite these. But, um

1344
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:58,239
you know, this may also help steer some
conversation for your third party as

1345
01:53:56,000 --> 01:54:00,800
well, what comes of this. So, if we
could have a copy of that

1346
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:05,040
» printed or or
>> if you I don't know for me, you can just

1347
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:10,000
send me a link if you could. Um I don't
know that others may need paper but I I

1348
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:15,280
can read a link. Um
>> yes reference and and just as a follow

1349
01:54:13,119 --> 01:54:19,840
on directly related to your comments
about the third party um Miss Matis had

1350
01:54:18,159 --> 01:54:25,520
the initial discussion with the third
party today and part of that discussion

1351
01:54:22,320 --> 01:54:31,840
was are there areas that you are already
aware of that you want to see reviewed

1352
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:37,360
or discussed as part of the revision
potential revision of the um personnel

1353
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:41,840
policy. So, as you're reviewing the
personnel policy, or if you already know

1354
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:46,239
of issues or areas that you want
reconsidered or at least reviewed by the

1355
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:51,520
third party, I will send you all an
email and submit your concerns or your

1356
01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:56,320
areas of interest to Miss Matthysse so
that she can share those with the third

1357
01:54:53,119 --> 01:55:00,400
party, whether it's, you know, benefits
or hours of work or anything like that.

1358
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:05,840
If there are areas that you are already
aware of that you want to be part of the

1359
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:09,760
discussion of the revision, please share
those with Miss Matthysse. So I will

1360
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:13,520
send you an email with that request.
Include Miss Matthysse on it so you can

1361
01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:16,520
reply directly to Miss Matthysse as
well.

1362
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:23,760
» It's not going to cost another $10,000,
is it?

1363
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:29,119
» No, you've already approved
for the personnel policy review.

1364
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:36,880
further discussion on this. Commissioner
Santo.

1365
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:40,719
» Yeah, I mean, in some ways, I I know
we're all being very thoughtful about

1366
01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:43,760
this, but it still feels we're almost
winging it because we don't have a

1367
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:49,199
procedure for this. So I don't know if
there's any appetite here for either

1368
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:54,719
city attorney to at at our next meeting
to come back with some more strict guard

1369
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:57,599
rail for us and process or you know I
just want to make sure this is the first

1370
01:55:56,560 --> 01:56:02,400
time for us. Correct.
>> It is but the challenge is it's what is

1371
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:06,480
to begin with an amorphous pro process.
I mean the grievance process generally

1372
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:10,000
is because of its informal nature and
when you're dealing with a broad range

1373
01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:13,119
of facts where you haven't heard the
specific facts yet there's many

1374
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:16,960
directions you would go which is the
challenge in saying soup to nuts this is

1375
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:20,320
the process you should follow because
you're going to be reacting to what you

1376
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:25,920
hear when you start hearing the facts.
>> Yeah there he can't template anything

1377
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:30,159
because we don't have any data yet.
>> And then since this is a grievance would

1378
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:32,880
it only be the grievant presenting and
being there that day? That is what

1379
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:36,159
you're discussing right now is you would
just be hearing an agreement to

1380
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:39,520
understand those initial facts at which
point following that the board would

1381
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:42,320
then discuss what do we need to do as
the next step. Okay.

1382
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:49,000
» But it's going to be reacting to what
you hear at that meeting. Thank you.

1383
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:49,000
» Further discussion

1384
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:58,560
and this uh so our our action from this
was just setting a meeting date. Um

1385
01:56:57,040 --> 01:57:02,880
this doesn't involve public comment does
it? We're not taking any action. We're

1386
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:07,599
just setting a date. Okay. Um, any
further discussion before we move on on

1387
01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:10,639
this one? We got our date. Everybody can
make it.

1388
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:15,239
» I'd like public comment. You just
insulted me.

1389
01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:15,239
» I'm on that committee.

1390
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:22,560
» Sir, no.
>> Sorry about that, but that's wrong.

1391
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:27,639
That's wrong. What he said is wrong.
>> We're all volunteers. That's wrong.

1392
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:27,639
» Okay.

1393
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:34,920
All right. Um All right. So, we're good.

1394
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:43,960
All right. So, we're going to move on to
general business B resolution 2026-71.

1395
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,960
Drew.

1396
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:52,000
Resolution 2026-71.
A resolution by the city commission of

1397
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:55,280
the city of Flaggler Beach, Florida,
approving an extension for solid and

1398
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:58,320
yard waste disposal between the city of
Flaggler Beach, Florida, and Waste

1399
01:57:56,639 --> 01:58:02,520
Management, Inc. of Florida, providing
for conflict and an effective date.

1400
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:07,360
» City Manager.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Mr. Greg

1401
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:11,920
Huntington from Waste Management of
Florida Incorporated of Florida is here

1402
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:16,000
this evening. Um, waste management
purchased as indicated in the SAP

1403
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:20,560
report, waste management purchased um,
what was formerly known as environmental

1404
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:25,920
services in Banell. So that is a
transfer station. So when our sanitation

1405
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:30,880
department picks up our trash and our
yard waste, they take it to the Banell

1406
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:36,320
location where then it is transferred to
other vehicles that is then taken to the

1407
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:40,400
landfill. Um
after their purchase, waste management

1408
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:46,159
recognized the ongoing contract that we
had with uh environmental services. Um

1409
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:50,719
they did come back for a modification.
Um but this is a so that current

1410
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:55,360
contract expires at the end of this
calendar year. So Mr. Huntington and

1411
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:59,520
Waste Management has presented uh
extension to that contract, a three-year

1412
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:05,679
extension. There is one minor change
after I discuss it with Mr. Huntington.

1413
01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:10,880
It does propose a yard waste collection
fee of $35 a ton. I'm trying to

1414
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:18,000
differentiate because we currently pay
by yard right now. We pay $7.50 per yard

1415
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:22,480
of yard waste. So, and I asked Mr.
Huntington, "How do I convert yards to

1416
01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:26,320
ton?" Because a yard of one material
might weigh more or less than a yard of

1417
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:32,880
a different material. And he indicated
that they would keep the current rate of

1418
01:59:29,679 --> 01:59:37,840
$7.50 50 cents a yard for our yardway.
So, that would be one change um to what

1419
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:44,719
is in your packet. Instead of going to
$35 a ton, it would remain at $7.50 per

1420
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:50,639
yard. And I'll let Mr. Huntington
explain that further if you want. Um the

1421
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:57,679
only other caveat is in their agree we
are capped in our code to a very

1422
01:59:54,159 --> 02:00:04,320
specific CPI measure.
In all likelihood, the proposed

1423
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,080
increases, which are 4.5% and 5% for the
two successive years after next year,

1424
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:15,760
will likely exceed
the cap or the CPI index that we're

1425
02:00:12,639 --> 02:00:22,639
using. So over the course of this coming
year, we may need to revisit that

1426
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:27,840
ordinance which is dates from 2008
that list a very specific CPI measure

1427
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:34,080
which I included in your packet. We may
need to revisit how we peg increases to

1428
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:38,800
our sanitation fees. All I'm saying is
that's that may be a subject for

1429
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:42,639
discussion going forward.
And if I could just get y'all pause just

1430
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:46,719
for a second. I wanted to do some
housekeeping and I forgot to mention

1431
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:49,679
this. Um there is a public comment
period at the end of the meeting. So I

1432
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:52,639
just wanted to let you know that um
before we got too deep into that. So

1433
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:57,520
that's my fault for not bringing that
up. I just wanted to remind you that. Um

1434
02:00:54,960 --> 02:01:00,560
okay. Sorry about that. And that that's
all I had. If you want to hear from Mr.

1435
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:04,080
Huntington
for the record, Greg Huntington, senior

1436
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:09,360
account executive for Waste Management
Incorporated of Florida. until Dale's

1437
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:13,040
point, um, we were looking to change
what you'd already we had already

1438
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:17,440
established with the city as a as a per
yard rate, per yard debris. You don't

1439
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:20,639
really bring us that much yard debris.
So, when I talked with Dale, we didn't

1440
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:25,920
want to confuse the matter. We just
said, "Look, we'll just keep it the 7

1441
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:30,159
the $7.50 per yard that we've been
building the city since you entered into

1442
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:36,320
the agreement with um Environmental Land
Services. We acquired them in June 1st

1443
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:40,159
of 2024. So, we'd be willing to just
keep that as is simply because you're

1444
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:45,760
not bringing the majority of the waste
that you're bringing us is municipal

1445
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:49,440
solid waste or trash or garbage.
And

1446
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:53,840
it was mentioned earlier about hazardous
waste. So, let me just address that if

1447
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:57,840
you want.
In municipalities where we provide

1448
02:01:55,760 --> 02:02:01,199
collection services like collection of
residential services or commercial

1449
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:06,800
services, a lot of times we'll work with
the municipalities on a day that

1450
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:11,920
residents can bring hazardous waste to
how it's disposed of. You know, I'd have

1451
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:15,760
to look into that because all we are in
Flaggler County is a disposal facility.

1452
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:19,920
We do not have any collection contracts,
but we do have disposal agreements with

1453
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:24,239
your city, Flagger Beach, city of
Benell, Flagger County, and City of Palm

1454
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:27,840
Coast. So my commitment to you as a good
partner because I appreciate the

1455
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:31,280
relationship we share in in sharing in
these critical environmental services

1456
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:34,400
that we're providing for your city. I
will reach out to those municipalities

1457
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:39,440
that I have good relationships with and
see if in fact they're going to be

1458
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:43,679
providing days that your residents can
participate in in in disposing hazardous

1459
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:47,599
waste because it is important because
lithium batteries I mean they get into

1460
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:53,199
trucks and they burn our trucks down and
our trucks are you know 320,000

1461
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:58,880
so we don't want the hazardous material
like lithium batteries in our waste.

1462
02:02:57,440 --> 02:03:03,599
» I've worked with Mr. Huntington. And
when I was in Bernardina Beach,

1463
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:08,320
Bernardina Beach had an annual household
hazardous waste and e-waste collection

1464
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:11,920
day. And they actually contracted
I can't remember what other agency they

1465
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:16,480
piggybacked off of, but it was
approximately a $35,000

1466
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:23,840
one time a year. It's typically around
Earth Day, so midappril that residents

1467
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:27,280
could come and dispose. And it was a
third party contractor. It wasn't waste

1468
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:30,639
management that they would collect your
paints. They would collect your

1469
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:34,159
electronics. They would collect, you had
to put a limit on tires because you'd

1470
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:37,760
have people bring in a truckload of
tires. Then they'd go home and pick up

1471
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:42,719
another truckload of tires. But that was
a third party contract. And I again, if

1472
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:47,440
there's some I can work with Mr.
Huntington and maybe other communities

1473
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:51,679
in the county and say, "Yeah, are we
interested, you know, collaborate and

1474
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:55,679
get a third party vendor in here to do
that collection?" because it it wasn't

1475
02:03:53,280 --> 02:04:00,000
waste management or waste bro or it was
a specialized company that collected the

1476
02:03:58,080 --> 02:04:06,159
paints, collected the tarpentines and
collected all that at the city's public

1477
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:10,800
works yard and for a while we would
check IDs so that you you know we

1478
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:15,440
weren't getting people from all over
South Georgia coming and depositing

1479
02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:19,040
their stuff. So if you want I can gladly
start the conversation with uh Mr.

1480
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:23,520
Huntington and Waste Management figure
out, hey, do we want to try and execute

1481
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:30,800
something like that in light of the
absence or the dis uh discontinuation of

1482
02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:35,280
a county household hazardous waste site?
>> Okay. Discussion or questions for city

1483
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:39,360
manager or representative?
>> I do.

1484
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:42,800
So, our solid waste is going to go up
41%, right? That's what I'm reading

1485
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:48,880
here.
>> Correct. From $46 a ton to $65 a ton.

1486
02:04:46,719 --> 02:04:52,639
Are we accounting for this in the budget
for sanitation?

1487
02:04:50,639 --> 02:04:59,119
» We raised the sanitation rates to the
maximum allowable that is permitted by

1488
02:04:55,520 --> 02:05:02,560
our municipal code which was 2
I think 2.46%.

1489
02:05:01,119 --> 02:05:05,280
» I thought we just gave you all a raise
not long ago.

1490
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:09,679
» You did towards the end of last year
which I came here and thanked y'all for.

1491
02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:13,119
It was like 8%. Um, and I I made the
point, you know, Environmental Land

1492
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:16,639
Services, not to take anything away from
them, but they more were more or less

1493
02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:19,679
like a mom and pop organization.
>> I know, Mike. Very well. Yeah.

1494
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:23,040
» Yeah. And I mean, WM, we're the largest
sustainability company in North America.

1495
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:26,800
So, we put an emphasis on the safety of
our employees, maintenance standards,

1496
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:30,800
infrastructure standards, all those
things that we've improved, which makes

1497
02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:35,520
it safer for when your employees come to
dispose of the waste. So, yes, it's a

1498
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:40,239
significant increase. Um but in one
respect we're really the only disposal

1499
02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:46,159
game in town in Flagler County. Um you
know city of Palm Coast and um

1500
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:50,639
uh Flagler County, I believe they take
their waste all the way down to Tamoka

1501
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:55,360
landfill in Valuchia County, which is
about a 64 mile round trip from here

1502
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:58,639
today where it's a 32 mile round trip to
our facility.

1503
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:02,800
» And Mr. Rodriguez, the sanitation
director, did reach out and get the

1504
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:08,080
numbers from Valuchia County and in his
estimation that although the landfill

1505
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:13,280
cost may be somewhat lower by the time
you factor in time and wear on the

1506
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:17,760
vehicles, um it would ultimately be more
expensive to go to the Valuchia County

1507
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:21,520
landfill instead of continuing to use
the waste management transfer station

1508
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:26,040
here in Bennell.
But we did look into that as an option.

1509
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:31,119
» Mr.
Yeah. Um I just had a qu question for

1510
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:35,520
the city manager. Um you know, maybe
moving over the course of this next

1511
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:40,800
incoming fiscal year. Um I'd like to
request just to see if we can get some

1512
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:44,800
data every quarter to see, you know,
what our, you know, our solid waste is,

1513
02:06:43,440 --> 02:06:48,000
what's, you know, what our fuel costs
are. Just to start looking at things

1514
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:52,639
strategically here a little bit to see
what the costs are and what how that's

1515
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:56,000
going up and different things. I mean um
just to look at things a little bit more

1516
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:59,440
holistically for the you know to for
some planning in the future with our you

1517
02:06:57,679 --> 02:07:01,599
know our projected growth as a city and
things like that

1518
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:04,719
» and one of the things that I had
contemplated in the course of the year

1519
02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:09,760
and if you know again if we're going to
look at establishing some goals um was

1520
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:15,840
to actually put together uh requests for
proposals um in for which the city we

1521
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:22,000
would prepare a proposal um because
again there is a cost of

1522
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:25,840
the local service um would you get
things less expensive in all likelihood

1523
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:29,520
through one of the major players whether
it's Waste Management or whether it's

1524
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:33,920
Waste Pro or whether it's FCC which
services Palm Coast but again put out a

1525
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:37,679
request for proposals um there are some
unique challenge to our community

1526
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:41,840
whether it's the commercial collections
the the narrow streets the things like

1527
02:07:39,840 --> 02:07:46,800
that because a lot of the professional
garbage haulers um they're transitioning

1528
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:51,199
to what they call ASL automated side
loaders so there's only one person in

1529
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:56,000
the truck that uses joystick fixes stuff
up and go, which I mean there there are

1530
02:07:53,520 --> 02:08:00,239
some challenges in our community with
overhead wires with trees and things

1531
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:04,400
like that. But um have a meeting with
interested providers such as Waste

1532
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:10,000
Management, Waste Pro or FCC and our
people and basically say, "Okay, put

1533
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:13,520
together a proposal for residential and
commercial waste collection and look at

1534
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:17,920
the numbers and bring those numbers back
to you and say, "Yep, we you know, at a

1535
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:22,560
certain point it's if it's going to be
$50 a year or $50 a month for

1536
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:27,679
sanitation, but another company can
provide it for $25 a month." At least,

1537
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:34,599
as you said, you have the data. you can
make an informed decision on what do you

1538
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:34,599
think best suits our residents.

1539
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:45,360
» I would like to see that before we go
through next year's budget cycle that

1540
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:51,840
information and RFP the whole nine yards
because at some point it does become

1541
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:57,520
dollars and cents. Thank you.
And that would be for solid waste and uh

1542
02:08:55,760 --> 02:09:02,719
yard debris also. Right.
>> Correct. And um in all likelihood in my

1543
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:07,440
discussions with Mr. Huntington, not
just residential but commercial and then

1544
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:13,520
we also offer a bulk pickup as well. So
the full gamut of sanitation services

1545
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:17,840
that we now provide as a city, we can
put it out for request for proposal, a

1546
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:21,360
line by line comparison. Okay. What are
you going to charge our commercial

1547
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:27,840
residents? One of those challenges, a
lot of our commercial accounts are

1548
02:09:24,480 --> 02:09:32,639
rollout dumpsters, whereas a lot of the
more professional components, they use

1549
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:36,800
the overhead dumpsters. Well, that in
some ways creates other problems, but

1550
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:40,239
that's invite all the players to a
meeting, share the concerns with them,

1551
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:43,920
and there might be some that say, "Nope,
we're we're not interested. Your your

1552
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:48,400
circumstances are too unique." You know,
how do we handle the beach collection?

1553
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:54,079
you can't use automated side loaders on
our beach cans. So, we have to figure

1554
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:57,599
out how do we craft the RFP
and that's bring in them have a

1555
02:09:55,840 --> 02:10:01,440
preliminary meeting and say here's the
challenges help us create the RFP so

1556
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:06,440
that everybody's on a level playing
field and we compare apples to apples to

1557
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,440
apples.

1558
02:10:08,159 --> 02:10:14,880
» Mr. Santo,
uh can you confirm is this a one or a

1559
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:17,360
three-year uh contract here? It's a It's
a three-year extension.

1560
02:10:16,639 --> 02:10:20,639
» A three-year extension
>> with fixed price increases in years two

1561
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:25,199
and three, which the city manager
referenced. And

1562
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:30,719
» sometimes municipalities want to use a
CPI index. And we typically will appeal

1563
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:34,000
for water, sewer, trash or garbage, and
trash collection because it better

1564
02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:39,440
represents the cost associated with the
industry. Some people go with CPIU,

1565
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:42,400
which isn't really, but it's always you
you never know. you're not you're not

1566
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:46,320
going to know with certainty what the
CPI increase is going to be. So, a lot

1567
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:51,119
of times municipalities like the idea of
a fixed increase year-over-year because

1568
02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:55,920
you can budget for it.
That makes sense.

1569
02:10:52,560 --> 02:11:02,480
» Okay. Thank you.
>> How does these rates compare to the

1570
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:07,360
other local municipalities?
>> Are you putting us on track in line with

1571
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:12,400
the other ones? So I have I have smaller
disposal agreements with the city of

1572
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:19,040
Palm Coast and with Flagger County and I
have MSW listed there for $75 a ton.

1573
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:22,719
Yours is is it 65
>> because your your volumes are going to

1574
02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:27,800
be greater than theirs and so obviously
with volumes that you know the cost can

1575
02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:27,800
come down.

1576
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:40,000
city manager. Um, am I correct in saying
that Palm Coast is shipping theirs down

1577
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:45,040
to Valuchia? Is is that what
>> I believe they use FCC?

1578
02:11:42,480 --> 02:11:50,079
» That's correct. The the company that has
their collection contract is FCC, which

1579
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:54,800
is actually a Spanish-based company. Um,
the county is Waste Pro, and they do

1580
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:59,920
take the waste that they collect
curbside or commercial and take it to

1581
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:04,560
the the Valuchia Valuchia County
landfill. the disposal agreements I have

1582
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:08,719
with them. I have different items listed
in there if in fact for whatever reason

1583
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:17,800
hurricanes or storms and they had to you
know deposit material there. So

1584
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:17,800
okay further discussion

1585
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:26,000
look for a motion
make a motion we approve resolution

1586
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:30,159
2026-71.
>> A second we have a motion a second. I'd

1587
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:35,719
like to open this up to public comment.
Any members of the public wish to speak

1588
02:12:31,920 --> 02:12:35,719
on this agenda item?

1589
02:12:40,960 --> 02:12:51,840
» Mark 261 Ocean Time. Um, just listening
to things, why why would the same amount

1590
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:57,840
of solid waste go up that much uh in a
year? Um, I just want was kind of

1591
02:12:54,880 --> 02:13:01,760
wondering why just I don't know why
would that it's the same amount. Why

1592
02:12:59,760 --> 02:13:06,960
does it have to go up? Is that go gas
costes or costs or employees or what

1593
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:13,880
what costs? Why does the cost have to go
up so much over that period of time? So,

1594
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:13,880
I'm just curious about that.

1595
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:26,400
Kicker 351 Palm Circle. Um the
representative from Waste Management uh

1596
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:30,159
used two key phrases. uh they're an
environmental services company and

1597
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:34,400
they're the largest sustainability
company. Is there a way we can get them

1598
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:39,679
to uh put their money where their mouth
is and uh show us uh their skills in

1599
02:13:37,679 --> 02:13:45,280
that regard? Um you know, we're talking
$65 a ton. How do we reduce our tonnage

1600
02:13:42,719 --> 02:13:48,639
of waste? Is there opportunities? We
have a fairly limited recycling program

1601
02:13:47,040 --> 02:13:53,040
here right now. I've heard that's
because it's expensive to recycle. Are

1602
02:13:50,960 --> 02:13:57,760
there opportunities for us to expand our
recycling program that could be less

1603
02:13:54,639 --> 02:14:00,719
than $65 a ton for recyclables? Um,
they're the experts or the biggest in

1604
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:05,280
the world or biggest United States or
whatever. Is there a way we can hold

1605
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:11,520
them or encourage them to give us other
alternatives to reduce our uh a tonnage

1606
02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:15,040
of uh waste, hopefully reduce cost?
Thanks.

1607
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:19,000
» Thank you. Anyone else for public
comment on this agenda item?

1608
02:14:19,599 --> 02:14:25,760
And seeing none, we'll close public
comment. Um,

1609
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:29,840
you can go ahead and step back up
because both questions are directed u

1610
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:36,320
towards y'all and you might be able to
provide some insight. So, first question

1611
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:40,719
was why so much? So, so I made the point
that when we took over from

1612
02:14:37,679 --> 02:14:43,840
environmental land services, um, you
know, we our standards for, you know,

1613
02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:47,599
maintenance standards to our buildings,
safety standards for our employees,

1614
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:52,960
infrastructure, pavement of roads, scale
houses, and yes, we do um, you know,

1615
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:57,199
probably pay our employees more than
most, and there's benefits. So, and then

1616
02:14:55,040 --> 02:15:01,119
there's obviously transportation cost.
The agreement with the Environmental

1617
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:04,880
Land Services was a three-year agreement
going back to 2024 with no price

1618
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:07,840
increases other than the one you
afforded us towards the end of last

1619
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:12,960
year, which we were very appreciative
for. These costs better represent the

1620
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:16,159
costs associated with our industry at
this time. I mean, and I don't say this

1621
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:20,079
to be contentious, but we're obviously
not in the business to break even or

1622
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:24,639
lose money. I mean, there's certain
acceptable profit margins that we run

1623
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:31,679
on.
>> All right. M bill on that. Yeah. The

1624
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:37,119
previous agreement with environmental
land services was directly negotiated by

1625
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:46,000
the former sanitation director and it
was an incredible deal on behalf of the

1626
02:15:40,639 --> 02:15:53,360
city. The $45 a ton. That's that's a
factor in the increase is that yes, for

1627
02:15:49,679 --> 02:15:58,000
3 years that cost was locked in at $45 a
ton with no inflationary increases

1628
02:15:55,280 --> 02:16:05,119
whatsoever. So the city had a very good
agreement with Environmental Land

1629
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:09,520
Services when Mr. Smith left. So that's
that's a contributing factor. The

1630
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:16,320
previous deal um did not keep pace with
the economics at the time either.

1631
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:18,960
And the other one was about recycling
and reducing tonnage.

1632
02:16:17,599 --> 02:16:23,119
» Yeah. Well, I mean, we'll definitely
take a look at um you know, he made the

1633
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:26,320
point which is true. There's a lot of
cost associated with recycling and that

1634
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:29,840
you know, I could come and do a whole
presentation on as to why that is

1635
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:33,760
because the demand worldwide demand for
it has gone down significantly. So what

1636
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:37,120
where it used to be we were getting paid
a rebate for the material and shared

1637
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:41,760
that with municipalities. Now it's, you
know, depending on your geographic

1638
02:16:38,719 --> 02:16:47,359
region, it's $155, $165 a ton for
processing, recycling. So it has to make

1639
02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:51,280
sense. Yes, he he makes a good point. We
are the largest sustainability company

1640
02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:55,359
in North America because it in different
geographic locations where it makes

1641
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:58,479
sense for us to be able to do that, then
we have those material recovery

1642
02:16:57,359 --> 02:17:01,040
facilities all over the state of
Florida. Unfortunately, here in

1643
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:06,240
Northeast Florida, it's Republic Waste
Services, which are located up in Duval

1644
02:17:03,280 --> 02:17:10,240
County. Um, but in the past we have
received recyclable material. And I'll

1645
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:15,760
have those conversations with our
operations to see if in fact there could

1646
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:18,880
be certain commodities that make sense.
That may be what they're really doing is

1647
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:23,840
they're probably receiving things like
cardboard or paper or metals where the

1648
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:28,000
value is still there unlike glass or
plastics.

1649
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:33,280
Yeah. So, as a as a as a municipal
partner of yours, I will look into the

1650
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:38,880
hazardous waste disposal with with Mr.
Martin as well as look at other

1651
02:17:34,880 --> 02:17:42,960
opportunities to reduce the MSW
portion of your, you know, trash if it

1652
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:46,800
can be diverted into to recyclable
material.

1653
02:17:45,280 --> 02:17:49,519
» Right. Any other questions or
discussion?

1654
02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:53,439
Mr. Centtory.
>> I mean, just from personal experience,

1655
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:57,359
you know, we had at our business ELS and
I really enjoyed having them and they're

1656
02:17:55,040 --> 02:18:01,359
a great company to work with. But now,
see, you know, I've seen the waste

1657
02:17:59,040 --> 02:18:05,679
management trucks and the drivers, you
know, the equipment pull up and you

1658
02:18:03,599 --> 02:18:09,760
could see one of the reasons why it's
it's much more expensive and I do miss

1659
02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:15,599
the old pricing, that's for sure. Um,
but the trucks are generally newly

1660
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:21,439
freshly painted, new decals, you know,
nothing's dripping out of them. Um, the

1661
02:18:18,479 --> 02:18:25,200
drivers seem very happy working for
them. They're all wearing their safety

1662
02:18:23,359 --> 02:18:29,519
vest. You know, little things on the
compliance end I noticed that maybe not

1663
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:33,120
everyone else will see, but you know, so
just wanted to to save that for the

1664
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:36,800
public and for us too. But, you know, be
nice to get a little more competition in

1665
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:43,920
the area for sure and maybe in a future
date we'll have that. So, thank you.

1666
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:47,200
» Right. Further discussion.
All right. We have already had public

1667
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:50,679
comment. We have motion. Penny, if you
call the RO, please.

1668
02:18:51,359 --> 02:18:54,399
» Commissioner Sherman,
>> yes.

1669
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:56,080
» Commissioner Cuttingham,
>> yes.

1670
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:58,000
» Commissioner Santo,
>> yes to motion.

1671
02:18:56,960 --> 02:18:59,840
» Commissioner Sprdley,
>> yes to the motion.

1672
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:04,080
» Chair Kulie,
>> yes. The motion. Motion passes

1673
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:09,800
unanimous. Thank you. Appreciate your
time tonight. I'll move on. Resolution

1674
02:19:06,800 --> 02:19:09,800
2026-72.

1675
02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:15,439
» Resolution 2026-72.
A resolution by the city commission of

1676
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:18,719
the city of Flagler Beach, Florida,
ranking the parking management vendors

1677
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:21,280
and directing the city manager to begin
discussions related to parking

1678
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:26,000
management with the highest ranked
vendor providing for conflict and an

1679
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:29,439
effective date.
>> All right, city manager, you want me to

1680
02:19:28,479 --> 02:19:35,840
take this or you want to get
>> I can introduce it again. Um, I believe

1681
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:39,840
we see at least three companies here.
I'm not sure if the fourth is somebody

1682
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:44,719
here from Passport.
I don't see anybody from Passport. So,

1683
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:49,520
the other three um are here. That's one
parking, Peninsula Park, partners

1684
02:19:46,960 --> 02:19:54,399
parking, and last parking. Um they did
give a presentation to you um earlier in

1685
02:19:52,399 --> 02:19:58,640
August. Um unfortunately, I know the
mayor and commissioners were not able to

1686
02:19:56,399 --> 02:20:03,040
attend, but I understand that you you
reviewed the video with the

1687
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:11,439
presentations. So the intent tonight is
solely to rank for four consultants and

1688
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:16,240
then if you're still in if you're still
interested in pursuing conversations

1689
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:22,080
about parking management or paid parking
rank the four I will then begin

1690
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:27,840
discussions with the number one ranked
and the intent is that we will develop a

1691
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:32,720
conceptual framework
relatively quickly to bring to you to

1692
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:37,200
say, "Okay, you like that?" Like, "What
days do you want parking? What, you

1693
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:41,200
know, area do you want paid parking? You
know, how many residential exemptions?"

1694
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:44,720
So, we'll we'll put together something
first, just like the pier. We'll bring

1695
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:48,800
it to you and you say, "We like that, we
like that, we don't like that. Change

1696
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:53,600
that." So, that's what the intent come
out of. You rank them. I'll start

1697
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:57,840
working with the first one. And if for
some reason the wheels wobble or come

1698
02:20:55,680 --> 02:21:01,600
off the cart and are not successful in
working or you're not satisfied with

1699
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:05,600
where we're going with the number one
ranked, we say thank you very much and

1700
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:10,160
we go to the number two ranked and we'll
go on until you come up with the program

1701
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:14,560
or you decide we want to take the
offramp. We don't want to pursue this

1702
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:19,200
anymore. So that's the intent tonight. I
did inform all of them that um there

1703
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:24,000
were no presentations to be expected
tonight, but I said they may want to be

1704
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:28,800
available if you have any questions for
them. So, I appreciate the other three

1705
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:32,000
companies um coming here and their
continued interest in the city of

1706
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:35,120
Flagler Beach.
>> All right. Before we get into

1707
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:40,160
discussion, just some housekeeping
items. Number one, does everybody have

1708
02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:46,399
the score sheet that was uh put on the
dis? It's our standard regular

1709
02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:52,880
commission score sheet.
You would want to have the score sheet

1710
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:58,000
where number one is the highest score
and then we all pass down. Give it the

1711
02:21:54,640 --> 02:22:04,720
penny all that. But
I want to kind of just even segue this.

1712
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:11,359
So
picking

1713
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:18,000
a parking company to talk to is not
going to mean that the city is moving

1714
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:19,040
forward with paid parking. We all agree
on that.

1715
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:23,120
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1716
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:29,760
In order to move forward with paid
parking, you have to cover hundreds upon

1717
02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:35,280
hundreds upon hundreds of things and
whatifs and the nuts and the bolts and

1718
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:39,600
all that. We could start talking to a
parking company about some of those nuts

1719
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:43,439
and bolts and we might find that they're
not the right parking company for our

1720
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:48,399
nuts and bolts and then we might have to
go back and then talk to a different

1721
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:55,280
parking company.
And this is a very very long runway. And

1722
02:22:52,399 --> 02:23:01,520
this is, you know, and just to be fair
to the process, this is also a runroy

1723
02:22:58,240 --> 02:23:04,720
that could potentially lead nowhere or
it could lead to this isn't the right

1724
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:09,840
fit for us. There's there's a thousand
things. This is

1725
02:23:07,040 --> 02:23:13,760
we rank the companies based off what we
heard

1726
02:23:11,359 --> 02:23:19,760
and any questions that that get brought
up tonight. And then the city manager is

1727
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:23,680
going to start discussing things with
them and go, "Here's what our city is.

1728
02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:29,680
Here's kind of what we're thinking and
here's and then there's there's going to

1729
02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:35,600
be meetings and meetings and all the the
the minutia um that has to get worked

1730
02:23:33,200 --> 02:23:39,359
out. Uh I saw, you know, it's
interesting. I saw a a press article

1731
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:43,120
today talking about this meeting was
going to be decided for moving forward

1732
02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:46,720
with paid parking. We can't move forward
with paid parking. We don't even know

1733
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:52,640
what it consists of right now. This is
moving forward with discussions.

1734
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:57,760
I just want to put all the hysteria at
bay a little bit. Um, am I is there

1735
02:23:55,760 --> 02:24:01,439
anybody that does that make sense? Am I
speaking right?

1736
02:23:59,359 --> 02:24:05,680
» Okay, mayor.
>> Yes. And I can appreciate you setting

1737
02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:11,280
the tone of this conversation and what
we are looking to achieve tonight. We

1738
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:15,439
are not making a decision definitively
one way or the other. It's continuing

1739
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:20,319
conversations.
So, thank you for stating that.

1740
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:24,319
» We can't decide if paid parking is the
right thing for the city if we don't

1741
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:32,399
know anything about it.
>> And this has been I have a DVD that Jane

1742
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:39,040
Mee let me borrow where the city was
talking about paid parking in the late

1743
02:24:34,720 --> 02:24:44,240
90s. So this is 30 years and this is you
know you got to do your due dil due

1744
02:24:42,319 --> 02:24:48,479
diligence to figure out if it's the
right thing or not. Um I don't think any

1745
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:53,040
one of us knows if it's the right thing
or not at the moment. Um technology

1746
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:58,960
changes fast. We have some new stuff to
discuss but you can't make any

1747
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:02,720
determinations if you don't know
anything about it. Uh Commissioner

1748
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:07,359
Sherman, you had something. No, I think
the mayor kind of um hit the point on

1749
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:10,399
the head to reiterate what you were
saying. I don't there's no decision

1750
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:13,520
being made tonight. I think we just have
to make that clearly stated for the

1751
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:18,160
record because I think there's a lot of
misinformation out there and a lot of

1752
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:24,640
conclusions being made and it's almost
like a a game of telephone. And so I

1753
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:29,439
think that uh you know we just really
you know I think the public needs to

1754
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:33,040
know that this this is just the early on
preliminary stages. There's nothing, you

1755
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:36,720
know, there's a lot, like I think you
just said, there's a lot of nuts and

1756
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:40,080
bolts. There's a lot of um, you know,
fine details we would have to go through

1757
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:43,080
before we even push this to the finish
line.

1758
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:52,960
Yeah, I there's a I made quote I got an
interview and made a quote and I've been

1759
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:59,120
saying the same quote since I've lived
here. Um, and I I genuinely believe that

1760
02:25:56,479 --> 02:26:03,120
for this city, uh, paid parking is
inevitable. at some point and I don't

1761
02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:08,560
know when that point is but at some
point I I believe that the population

1762
02:26:06,479 --> 02:26:13,920
over there is going to be so great that
we cannot intelligently hold that

1763
02:26:12,080 --> 02:26:18,960
capacity here and the one of the only
ways to manage it is with paid parking.

1764
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:23,200
I've been saying that for 12 years, but
they, you know, there's uh a lot of

1765
02:26:21,680 --> 02:26:28,720
social media out there said, "Oh,
Commissioner Kulie's all decided on that

1766
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:32,240
and and I if you say for my long-term
vision of the city, it might decide on

1767
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:37,520
it." Yes, I absolutely believe that is
inevitable. It it will happen at some

1768
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:43,040
point. Um but we need to decide if that
point is now or if that point is later

1769
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:48,000
or if that point is after all these
things get worked out. But we can't you

1770
02:26:45,359 --> 02:26:51,600
can't do it unless you at least have
conversations.

1771
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:54,640
But I thought I just wanted to put a
little bit of bandwidth into that

1772
02:26:52,800 --> 02:26:59,359
because there's so much hysteria out
there and everybody is absolutely

1773
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:04,000
convinced that this commission is going
to start paid parking tomorrow

1774
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:09,600
and
I just think it needed said.

1775
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:14,000
All right. So let's have
>> I have one thing.

1776
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:19,840
» Yes, sir. I've spoke to everybody I can
find and

1777
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:27,200
probably 75%
don't want paid parking. Maybe 25% does.

1778
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:32,960
What would be wrong with having a
referendum and let citizens vote on it

1779
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:37,520
if they want it or don't want it?
Is that even an option? Could it be an

1780
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:42,479
option?
Cuz

1781
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:48,240
case in point, Fernandina Beach, city of
Fernandina Beach started in February and

1782
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:55,359
lasted 6 months and it's closed up, shut
down because the citizens didn't want it

1783
02:27:51,760 --> 02:28:01,760
and they voted to have it taken away.
And that was my only point.

1784
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:08,319
And I mean, the city already owns
parking lots that the city owns.

1785
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:13,040
Why couldn't we do paid parking there?
Manage it in house even

1786
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:20,399
in some way. Figuring out what that
would be.

1787
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:25,680
We could do that anytime we want
cuz a city owns property and make it

1788
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:29,160
happen. People would pay to park in the
city parking lots.

1789
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:38,000
And you bring up uh two good points in
one of the vendors is passport which

1790
02:28:35,200 --> 02:28:42,240
would be if the city was doing something
that was inhouse that would be a

1791
02:28:39,840 --> 02:28:47,040
provider of software you know to do it
or we could always build our own too

1792
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:51,680
which probably would not be a good idea
for us to try to tackle with everything

1793
02:28:48,560 --> 02:28:57,040
else we have going on. Um but P passport
would be

1794
02:28:53,760 --> 02:29:04,560
a package that the city would you know
purchase in in as a possibility of doing

1795
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:08,960
it in house. Um so discussion on so you
bring up a good point. So discussion on

1796
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:12,479
referendum versus
you know what we're doing now as far as

1797
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:16,319
like having discussions with a parking
provider. Commissioner Sherman.

1798
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:20,479
» Yeah I I it's a great point you bring up
about the you know voting referendum. I

1799
02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:23,600
think it would be worth an option now to
get it to that point. I guess there's a

1800
02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:27,120
couple questions. I guess city clerk,
how like if we were to put that on the

1801
02:29:25,040 --> 02:29:32,319
ballot for March, how soon would that
need to be uh ironed out by?

1802
02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:38,800
» Deadline for November is already passed.
Um your March deadline is going to be uh

1803
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:43,439
somewhere in early December.
>> Okay. So, city manager, realistically,

1804
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:47,359
if we came up with a vendor tonight and
we ironed out, you know, these are the

1805
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:51,600
things that we would want. So, like when
the voters would go to vote for that,

1806
02:29:49,040 --> 02:29:55,359
let's say, you know, in March, that it
was very detailed, very informative. You

1807
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:59,040
know, we've already kind of set some of
the groundwork of if we do go forward

1808
02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:02,960
with paid parking, our residents will
not be paying. Like, that's I think I'm

1809
02:30:01,520 --> 02:30:06,399
pretty sure I can speak for everybody up
there. And I think also, you know, my

1810
02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:09,760
other concerns, our businesses, right?
How's that impact our businesses? So,

1811
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:14,000
you know, I know there's probably going
to be need to be several conversations

1812
02:30:11,680 --> 02:30:17,840
to be had, but I do want to continue
pushing. I I think that we can't

1813
02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:22,000
continue kicking the can down the road,
but I do really appreciate Commissioner

1814
02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:26,479
Cunningham's point to the fact that
having it uh of having it come to a

1815
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:31,359
voting referendum. Um it would be, you
know, maybe a great idea, but I think

1816
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:35,520
also having all the um details ironed
out of kind of what the board would like

1817
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:39,439
to see. Um and having some sort of
public input from, you know, hearing

1818
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:44,319
from the general public over this um
matter would be imperative. But I do

1819
02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:49,439
still want to push forward this evening
with selecting a vendor and also, you

1820
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:54,479
know, maybe opening up the dialect of
having it go to a voting referendum.

1821
02:30:52,960 --> 02:30:58,319
» I missed the that would be early
January. I'm sorry.

1822
02:30:56,160 --> 02:31:05,280
» Yeah, I think so. There's a couple
pieces to that and that I'm thinking is

1823
02:31:01,920 --> 02:31:11,040
we could never get it packaged
quick enough to hit January. just my

1824
02:31:08,640 --> 02:31:16,479
opinion because if you're going to vote
on paid parking, the vote is what does

1825
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:23,040
that paid parking even look like and
then that would have to kind of get put

1826
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:26,560
together. Um, yes. Should that be a
consideration as part of the discussion?

1827
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:31,439
And I would absolutely think that should
be part of the discussion as far as what

1828
02:31:29,200 --> 02:31:35,680
we're looking at now
in doing the research, finding out what

1829
02:31:33,600 --> 02:31:41,040
our options are, seeing if it can even
be profitable, does it make sense for

1830
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:47,120
the city, you know, all that stuff, um I
think is probably more where we are at

1831
02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:51,120
in the discussion now because to put it
to referendum, you have to know what

1832
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:57,040
you're putting to referendum. You can't
really I mean you could essentially put

1833
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:59,760
a concept of paid parking on referendum
but that's not really the right way to

1834
02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:02,560
do it.
>> And keep in mind and I don't know how

1835
02:32:01,040 --> 02:32:06,640
the cost would compare but we're not
talking about a charter amendment you so

1836
02:32:04,720 --> 02:32:10,720
you could also have your own special
election so you do not have to use

1837
02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:16,080
supervisor elections to do this either.
>> Commissioner did you have something?

1838
02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:22,160
Yeah, just that um if we were to go the
referendum route and this really just

1839
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:26,960
amplifies amplifies what you said, uh we
need to be able to present to the

1840
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:31,680
residents what it is that we think paid
parking would consist of. And in order

1841
02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:36,399
to do that, then we need to rank and
then have uh whoever is the high uh or

1842
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:40,399
actually the low score is what it
amounts to uh make their presentation

1843
02:32:38,479 --> 02:32:43,439
because we need to understand what it is
we're thinking about doing before

1844
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:49,920
telling the residents that they're going
to vote yay or nay on the ballot. Um, so

1845
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:55,760
my view is we continue what we set out
to do tonight on the agenda, rank these

1846
02:32:53,840 --> 02:33:01,040
companies and then begin talking
immediately with who the low score is so

1847
02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:08,319
that we have something to present to the
residents of what they'd be voting on,

1848
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:15,520
» right? And then once you figure out
is the possibility of paid parking,

1849
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:19,359
you know, would it have a possibility of
being the right thing for Flaggler

1850
02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:23,200
Beach? Then the discussion of putting it
on referendum I think would then kick in

1851
02:33:21,439 --> 02:33:27,120
is all right. Well, if we think it's the
right thing, then it would need to we

1852
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:32,560
would need to figure out how to get it
on ballot. Does that am I Does that kind

1853
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:35,680
of make sense? I mean it could be voted
no

1854
02:33:33,439 --> 02:33:38,920
» right
>> be done.

1855
02:33:39,040 --> 02:33:44,560
» You mean like just the the concept of
paper parking? I don't know if we'd be

1856
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:48,319
able to put some like what it would look
like

1857
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:52,880
together that quick.
>> Well, I know that but

1858
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:58,399
» get a feel for what people want.
Citizens want yes or no. Well,

1859
02:33:55,680 --> 02:34:03,920
» I think you would be more talking straw
pole at that point. I think

1860
02:34:01,040 --> 02:34:08,800
I I think in in essence I'm sorry I
think um

1861
02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:16,319
we would need we would need to do our
job and select from the professionals

1862
02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:20,600
who' be presenting to us
and excuse me just a second.

1863
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:31,760
I think that we should have a plan based
on the presentations that we have and if

1864
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:35,600
we as a board feel that we support paid
parking, we support this plan, then

1865
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:41,280
that's what needs to be presented to the
residents is what they're voting on. Um,

1866
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:46,399
so we have to get there. right now
I don't think paid parking yes paid

1867
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:50,240
parking no makes sense to me because of
all the dynamics and all the pieces to

1868
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:54,800
it which is exactly why we want to talk
to a parking company and see what would

1869
02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:59,520
fit for this city and our view and then
that's what we present to the public if

1870
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:04,160
uh if we're still of the view after
hearing the information that uh taking

1871
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:09,200
it to the public is the way to go fine
at least we have something to carry to

1872
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:12,720
them so you know that's my You
>> Commissioner Santori,

1873
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:16,800
» I feel like we're asking the vendor to
do quite a bit of work at that point for

1874
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:21,520
then for it to then to go to a
referendum. So what I might suggest is

1875
02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:26,800
for the referendum to say to give us the
option to vote yes and it still gives us

1876
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:30,800
the power even if citizens vote they
want us to do paid parking, we can still

1877
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:36,560
say no because what if there it's
financially unfeasible in 3 years? What

1878
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:41,520
if you know the beach washes away and
there's no parking? You know, I think we

1879
02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:46,640
need to I'd be very careful locking us
into yes to paid parking.

1880
02:35:44,800 --> 02:35:50,040
I think we could do both tracks at the
same time possibly.

1881
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:58,720
» Further discussion, Mayor,
>> I agree with uh Commissioners Bradley. I

1882
02:35:54,560 --> 02:36:04,800
think we need to have more details and a
more more uh planned out approach. Um

1883
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:10,160
you know, you ask 20 opinions, you get
20 different opinions. And I don't think

1884
02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:19,120
that's the position we want to be in
versus um streamline it, have options,

1885
02:36:13,840 --> 02:36:23,359
have data, facts to provide. I not
opposed to doing the referendum, but I

1886
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:29,840
think we continue down the path we're
going on now because we need the data.

1887
02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:34,000
Well, the path we're going down now also
is not

1888
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:39,439
we're not taking action other than just
deciding to have a discussion with with

1889
02:36:35,760 --> 02:36:45,680
a company, right? Um
which I would view that as no risk at

1890
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:50,160
this point. Am I wrong in saying that?
>> No, that's correct.

1891
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:55,600
» Okay. Um
what any other

1892
02:36:52,479 --> 02:37:00,160
discussion on like how we move forward
with this? Um, want to jump into some

1893
02:36:58,080 --> 02:37:05,040
questions? Is there any questions for
the parking vendors? Have you all been

1894
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:09,600
able to review it?
Are y'all want to Are y'all Do you all

1895
02:37:06,880 --> 02:37:18,800
feel comfortable with ranking them on
the score sheet?

1896
02:37:12,880 --> 02:37:23,760
Okay. Oh, that was easy. Um,
all right. So, we'll get that we'll get

1897
02:37:20,800 --> 02:37:28,080
that going. Um, in the meantime, while
that's getting tallied up, um, I do want

1898
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:33,080
to open this item up to public comment.
Any members of the public wish to speak

1899
02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:33,080
on this agenda item?

1900
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:46,160
Kim, Flagger Beach. Um,
you guys, uh, I hate to say it, but you

1901
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:51,359
kind of, um, reiterate what the other
person has already just said and you

1902
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:56,240
could streamline your conversations a
lot more by just saying, "Okay, I agree

1903
02:37:53,359 --> 02:38:00,880
with this guy instead of reconstituting
the whole conversation what Kohley said

1904
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:06,080
and then Spratley says the same thing."
Um, the guys are here and they already

1905
02:38:03,439 --> 02:38:10,960
know the uh the the companies are here.
They know they know the deadlines and

1906
02:38:08,640 --> 02:38:16,000
what they can do and uh I guess you've
had that information that they're here

1907
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:22,399
to tell you yes or no whether they could
do it. Um personally I like the idea of

1908
02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:27,520
voting on it. Um I just think it's fair
for for residents to get a say into

1909
02:38:24,319 --> 02:38:34,160
what's going on in the in the city. And
um you know I I was against parking

1910
02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:38,640
until um the last year or two. It's
crazy here. You go anywhere to any beach

1911
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:45,600
and it's packed down by the tower where
we live, packed all the time. Um, so as

1912
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:50,800
much as I thought it went against the
kind of the feel of Flagger Beach that,

1913
02:38:48,080 --> 02:38:57,520
you know, is pretty much gone, that
vision is doesn't exist anymore in my

1914
02:38:53,520 --> 02:39:03,359
opinion. um all these costs that are
coming to us. Um the only way I see

1915
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:06,960
really to make to help that out is to
charge people that are coming in here

1916
02:39:04,800 --> 02:39:09,840
and using the services. And you know, I
know it's going to impact the

1917
02:39:07,920 --> 02:39:13,200
businesses, but I travel a lot and a lot
of places that do have parking like

1918
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:17,280
that. As much as I it kind of pisses me
off to go there and have to pay, a lot

1919
02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:22,640
of businesses encourage you to go there
by uh they'll stamp your thing or take

1920
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:28,560
it off your bill or whatever like that.
So they work with the the customers, the

1921
02:39:25,600 --> 02:39:33,200
parkers, park parking people to um
alleviate the pain of having to pay the

1922
02:39:30,560 --> 02:39:36,160
parking from a business point. If people
are going to come to the beach, they're

1923
02:39:34,399 --> 02:39:40,000
going to come and pay anyways. I don't I
don't know why we don't make money on

1924
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:45,080
them. That's just my personal thing, but
I would like to vote on it. Thank you

1925
02:39:41,840 --> 02:39:45,080
very much.

1926
02:39:50,319 --> 02:40:01,680
Palmer kick at 351 Palm Circle. Um
the the idea of a referendum is

1927
02:39:56,880 --> 02:40:05,920
interesting. Um I I hesitate
supporting that a little bit just

1928
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:10,960
because I mean the process for anything
we do in the city is we voted you you

1929
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:15,120
all in the office to represent us,
right? Um if we put everything on

1930
02:40:12,800 --> 02:40:20,640
referendum then what's the point of you
guys being here? Um, now is this a big

1931
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:26,080
enough change for the city that maybe it
warrants it perhaps? But if we're going

1932
02:40:22,960 --> 02:40:29,840
to do it, I completely agree with uh
Commissioner Kulie and Bradley that we

1933
02:40:27,760 --> 02:40:34,800
need to have details. We need to have
information cuz as Commissioner Kulie

1934
02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:39,439
pointed out, there's hysteria right now.
People think it's the end of the world.

1935
02:40:35,920 --> 02:40:44,080
The sky is falling. And if a a parking
company came to us and said, "It's going

1936
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:47,439
to be $20 an hour uh to park anywhere in
Flagley Beach Reach. I think the sky is

1937
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:49,680
falling." And it would get a no. But if
they came to us and said, you know,

1938
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:53,680
you're a small town, you got a little
charm. How about a quarter an hour,

1939
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:57,600
maybe people are cool with that, you
know? So, it's like the details do

1940
02:40:55,120 --> 02:41:01,520
matter rather than just yes or no on
paid parking. So, I if we're going to do

1941
02:40:59,600 --> 02:41:06,160
a referendum, please please please do
the leg work to get the facts and the

1942
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:12,240
details straightened out before it goes
to the city to vote. So, thanks a lot.

1943
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:15,560
Anyone else for commenting on this
agenda item?

1944
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:23,359
Hey everyone, Chris Marlo. My family and
I own the Golden Lion Cafe and Next Door

1945
02:41:21,359 --> 02:41:27,520
Beach Beastro. Thank you for taking the
time to hear our comments. I came

1946
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:32,319
tonight to express my concern on why I
oppose paid parking. Uh first, I don't

1947
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:36,800
agree that the timing is right. I think
the business community hasn't had to

1948
02:41:34,399 --> 02:41:42,640
endure so much over the last 10 years.
We've had major hurricanes. We've had

1949
02:41:38,960 --> 02:41:47,120
COVID, we've had hotels being built, A1A
being repaved, the beach reourishment,

1950
02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:49,600
the pier almost done, and there's a
little bit of light at the end of the

1951
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:54,800
tunnel. And now we're talking about
rolling out paid parking. Come on,

1952
02:41:51,920 --> 02:41:57,920
please. Here's what nobody's going to
say. Nobody's going to say, "Hey, I

1953
02:41:56,479 --> 02:42:02,160
heard Flaggler Beach is rolling out paid
parking. Let's go check it out. Hey,

1954
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:06,560
Flagger Beach has paid parking. You want
to go there this weekend?" No one is

1955
02:42:04,240 --> 02:42:09,359
going to say that. And maybe the
counterargument that I hear all the

1956
02:42:07,920 --> 02:42:12,720
time, which is, hey, you're going to be
busy anyways. Maybe those people are

1957
02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:17,439
right. Maybe we'll break even. It'll be
exactly the same. Or maybe less people

1958
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:22,080
will come here. I would like to see a
study on that. I am certain that more

1959
02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:25,439
people will go to Barn Park, more people
will go to Orman by the Sea, more people

1960
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:28,399
will go to Matanzis, more people will go
to Crescent Beach where there's food and

1961
02:42:26,880 --> 02:42:32,720
beverage options and other businesses
there and where it's free to park

1962
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:37,760
because that's what people do.
We are all on the same team here. We all

1963
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:42,160
love Flaggler Beach. We all share this
love for our town and we all just want

1964
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:46,720
our town to be better. We're just trying
to figure out how to get there.

1965
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:50,000
But it's in all of our interest for
people to come over this bridge. And I

1966
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:54,240
know that there's a little bit of
friction right now about that. I get it.

1967
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:57,520
But the people that come over the
bridge,

1968
02:42:55,760 --> 02:43:00,319
the day they stop coming over the
bridge, we're going to have a much

1969
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:05,840
bigger problem than the problem we're
experiencing right now.

1970
02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:09,760
We have less funding than ever. These
people leave trash behind. We have all

1971
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:14,319
costs because of it. They're kind of
inconvenient.

1972
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:18,560
Customers are inconvenient.
But guess what? They pay our bills and

1973
02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:23,200
we need them and we rely on them. And
the 160 people that I employ rely on me

1974
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:26,800
to stick up for them. And that's what
I'm doing here. One of the many

1975
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:30,640
counterarguments that I've heard is
you're going to be just as busy anyways.

1976
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:35,680
The issue with that is that you're
asking me and every other business owner

1977
02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:39,920
to take the risk. Nobody knows. That's
speculative. Another counterargument is

1978
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:43,439
there's thousands of houses being built
over there across the bridge. This

1979
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:47,680
town's blowing up. They're all coming
over here.

1980
02:43:45,359 --> 02:43:51,439
Please do not adopt that mentality.
That's how fools think. Don't ever

1981
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:54,880
assume that people are just going to
come to our town. Don't ever assume that

1982
02:43:53,520 --> 02:43:59,279
people are just going to come to your
business. You have to give them reasons

1983
02:43:57,040 --> 02:44:04,640
to come. You have to make them want to
come. And right now, even though we're

1984
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:11,359
just talking about it, we're creating a
gigantic reason not to come.

1985
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:16,080
FB3 sent out a survey.
16 local businesses responded here in

1986
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:20,960
downtown. One of the questions was, "On
a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the most

1987
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:27,840
negative impact, how would you rate paid
parking?" Half, eight out of 16 voted

1988
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:32,160
nine or 10. So, here's my suggestion.
Why are we not looking at a more of a

1989
02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:36,720
collective parking solution?
In all of the parking discussions I've

1990
02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:40,399
had in this town, many identified the
pier as the most problematic area. We

1991
02:44:38,960 --> 02:44:44,399
have a brand new pier. it's going to be
prime parking. Maybe we just start

1992
02:44:42,399 --> 02:44:49,279
there. If the surfers and the fishermen
and the beachgoers, if that's where they

1993
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:54,000
go and that's the problem, well then
maybe let's charge them at the pier. And

1994
02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:57,439
then maybe we can use those funds to
come up with an overall parking

1995
02:44:55,439 --> 02:45:02,000
solution. We could put some bike racks
in town to promote bicycle traffic. We

1996
02:45:00,399 --> 02:45:07,200
can have an electric eco-friendly
trolley to reduce congestion. We can

1997
02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:11,840
work on buying more city parking lots to
increase the parking capacity so there's

1998
02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:18,319
more parking in this town. I have a
feeling if we approached it as a more

1999
02:45:15,359 --> 02:45:21,840
holistic solution like that, more people
would get behind it. Thank you for what

2000
02:45:20,240 --> 02:45:28,520
you do for Flaggler Beach. We appreciate
you. Thank you. Anyone else for public

2001
02:45:24,960 --> 02:45:28,520
comment on this agenda?

2002
02:45:30,960 --> 02:45:41,120
» Melanie Thompson, John Anderson Highway.
Um, what is the revenue for the from the

2003
02:45:37,600 --> 02:45:44,800
paid parking going to be for? Is it for
certain things at the beach or is it

2004
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:50,160
going towards reourishment? Because
again, I'm trying to advocate that

2005
02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:54,960
we need to have a tax increase to pay
for the beach reourishment. If you're

2006
02:45:51,760 --> 02:45:58,160
raising money for Bagger Beach things
from the parking, that's one thing. But

2007
02:45:56,720 --> 02:46:02,240
if you're trying to regenerate or
generate money just to reourish the

2008
02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:07,120
beach, parking isn't going to bring
that. You're going to you're going to uh

2009
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:11,520
give the residents, city limit
residents, free parking. You're going to

2010
02:46:08,880 --> 02:46:14,720
give um employees that come here to
work, you're going to give them free

2011
02:46:12,960 --> 02:46:21,200
parking. You're going to give the people
that rent hotels and stay in the

2012
02:46:18,399 --> 02:46:26,399
residents, the Airbnbs or whatever,
they're going to get free parking. um

2013
02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:30,960
the restaurants are going to stamp their
customers. So, how many people are

2014
02:46:28,319 --> 02:46:36,319
really going to come to support
parking, paid parking all over? Again, I

2015
02:46:33,840 --> 02:46:41,600
agree with that. If you want to do prime
parking, which is the pier, that's one

2016
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:46,880
thing. But if I'm coming up to get a to
go order, I'm not going to pay to park

2017
02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:50,800
my car for 5 minutes. If I'm going to
come up and eat, that's another story.

2018
02:46:49,200 --> 02:46:53,920
If they have a parking lot, I might
decide to go there and eat. But if they

2019
02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:58,240
don't have a parking lot and I've got to
travel three blocks down to find

2020
02:46:55,520 --> 02:47:02,720
somewhere, then I don't have to pay. I'm
going have to think twice about that.

2021
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:06,880
So, the parking should wait here. Needs
to be done. Things need to settle the

2022
02:47:04,560 --> 02:47:10,720
dust and then maybe bring it on to the
people because right now I think

2023
02:47:08,240 --> 02:47:15,600
everybody's up to this of all the
changes and this is just going to throw

2024
02:47:12,399 --> 02:47:21,319
everybody over. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Anyone else for public

2025
02:47:17,359 --> 02:47:21,319
comment on this agenda item?

2026
02:47:22,080 --> 02:47:29,640
Right. See all close public comment.
Any discussion from public comment?

2027
02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:34,560
» Commissioner Santo.
>> Yeah, I mean I know we're all going to

2028
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:38,240
be very thoughtful about this process
and and my biggest concern are the

2029
02:47:36,399 --> 02:47:42,399
businesses. They're a big part of what
makes Flagler Beach special and why

2030
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:45,920
people want to come here. So, you know,
I know during this process, if we keep

2031
02:47:44,560 --> 02:47:50,000
if we move forward, we're going to be
looking we could be looking at carveouts

2032
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:54,319
and different things, but I also respect
the fact that with 160 employees with a

2033
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:58,240
high turnover, how much work does that
entail for an employer like you? So,

2034
02:47:56,960 --> 02:48:02,399
these are all things we'll have to think
about as we move forward. And um and I

2035
02:48:00,640 --> 02:48:06,560
don't know if I have a request if
whoever um ranks the highest if you want

2036
02:48:05,040 --> 02:48:11,120
to give them an opportunity to speak if
they're here for a couple minutes.

2037
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:16,160
Thank you,
>> Mr. Sprrowley.

2038
02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:21,520
» I I too uh appreciate the public comment
where has been said and in addition to

2039
02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:28,240
those who I talk to on a daily basis, um
there are many sides to this issue and I

2040
02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:32,640
think that's why we want to invite a
company to come tell us what they can do

2041
02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:37,600
for us and with our input of what we
would like for them to do for us to see

2042
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:44,000
if it even makes sense. and uh it would
be a ballot item if we you know to go

2043
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:50,560
forward from there. Um but you know I
and I hear um so many different angles

2044
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:55,600
to it. You know the fact that Flagler
Beach residents should get a pass.

2045
02:48:53,040 --> 02:49:00,880
Something should be done to some degree
with the business. I mean, I know with

2046
02:48:57,359 --> 02:49:05,279
Chris 160 employees, I I have no idea,
you know, what would be a way to

2047
02:49:03,359 --> 02:49:08,479
accommodate that until we hear from
these professionals and see. And I

2048
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:11,359
thought I have a problem. I got three
employees. All right. And I'm thinking

2049
02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:16,000
about how am I going to do that? And I'm
two blocks from here. So, it's it's

2050
02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:22,080
something that I think Eric said at the
beginning, we have not uh implemented a

2051
02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:27,279
plan to have paid parking. We are
inviting a study to come in and hear

2052
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:31,520
from a group and then digest it,
synthesize it, come up with something

2053
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:34,240
and then the residents will then have
their input from there.

2054
02:49:33,439 --> 02:49:36,479
» Thank you.
>> Right. Further discussion, Commissioner

2055
02:49:35,680 --> 02:49:40,399
Sherman.
>> Yeah. Just I think one of the things

2056
02:49:38,160 --> 02:49:43,200
that comes up, you know, and I I I
really appreciate everybody coming up

2057
02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:46,080
and speaking tonight about this, but I
think, you know, the other thing is is

2058
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:49,439
we just got done doing a budget, right?
And what and who's paying for those

2059
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,200
parking lots?
>> It's hard. All right.

2060
02:49:50,640 --> 02:49:54,479
» It's our
>> our residents and that's

2061
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:58,880
» $300,000 each.
>> And so that's, you know, we're not a uh

2062
02:49:57,040 --> 02:50:03,200
charter county like our neighbors to our
south where, you know, everybody pays

2063
02:50:00,960 --> 02:50:07,120
into the parking lots, right? It's it's
the it's the few residents in our

2064
02:50:05,120 --> 02:50:10,399
community. And and I'm, you know, it's
it's it's it's finding that right

2065
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:13,439
balance if this is really something that
we go forward with. And and you know,

2066
02:50:11,920 --> 02:50:16,720
I've I've always said, you know, my
other concern is our residents and our

2067
02:50:14,880 --> 02:50:22,080
our businesses and how that impacts
things. But I also think that, you know,

2068
02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:25,120
there is massive growth growth on the
other side of the bridge. And I think

2069
02:50:23,439 --> 02:50:28,560
there's a lot of educating that has to
be going on here that they don't, you

2070
02:50:26,960 --> 02:50:32,319
know, I think there's assumptions. Well,
I come here and I spend all this money

2071
02:50:30,560 --> 02:50:36,720
in your town. So all my tax money goes
to Flagler Beach. That's not correct.

2072
02:50:35,279 --> 02:50:39,760
You know, that that that funnels
through, you know, and it goes then

2073
02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:42,640
down, you know, correct me if I'm wrong
here, city manager, but it goes to

2074
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:46,319
Tallahassee. Tallahassee takes their
their share. Then the county then

2075
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:51,279
distributes it out by the population
size throughout the county. So that $10

2076
02:50:49,439 --> 02:50:54,319
cheeseburger you got at one of our local
establishments, you know, you paid six

2077
02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:58,880
and a half percent, well that's 6 and a
half%. Fly Beach might see pennies on

2078
02:50:56,560 --> 02:51:02,319
the dollar to that cheeseburger you just
purchased. And you know, I want you to

2079
02:51:00,560 --> 02:51:06,720
support those businesses, but you also
have to understand how sales tax works

2080
02:51:04,319 --> 02:51:10,960
and how things flow es and flows here.
So, you know, it's this is very very

2081
02:51:09,359 --> 02:51:14,880
difficult decision to have to make and
you know, but also, you know, our number

2082
02:51:13,040 --> 02:51:17,680
one thing is our residents and and our
businesses, but also, you know, the

2083
02:51:16,479 --> 02:51:21,359
people on the other side of the bridge
who do not pay taxes here in Flagler

2084
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:24,080
Beach have to understand these parking
lots that you see these improvements

2085
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:30,760
have all been on the backs of the
taxpayers here in Flaggler Beach.

2086
02:51:27,359 --> 02:51:30,760
Further discussion,

2087
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:46,359
right, I have the totals here. Um the
lowest score is Laz Parking

2088
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:46,359
is uh is who was selected as the lowest.

2089
02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:55,520
It be the well be the the lowest score
which is the the highest the number one.

2090
02:51:54,479 --> 02:51:59,880
It's selected.
>> It's like golf low score.

2091
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:10,479
Um,
did y'all want to hear from last?

2092
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:15,840
You good, mayor? Okay. All right. So,
that is selected. Everybody's okay with

2093
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:20,439
that. Okay. This is Penny. Further
discussion on this item before we close

2094
02:52:17,439 --> 02:52:20,439
it.

2095
02:52:21,040 --> 02:52:27,439
Oh, yeah. We We haven't even done the uh
the motion yet. All right. This is the

2096
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:32,160
resolution. So, we are going to need a
motion. I'll make a motion that we

2097
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:34,880
approve resolution 2026-72.
>> I'll second.

2098
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:37,680
» City attorney, does that have the
information that you need?

2099
02:52:36,080 --> 02:52:40,560
» You need to include in it the one, two,
three, four linking. That penny, I think

2100
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:43,520
you just have the penny. So, you could
you can attach that, but go through it

2101
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:45,840
and
>> say

2102
02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:51,680
what it is.
>> All right. I'll I'll uh amend that

2103
02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:57,680
motion. I'll amend uh resolution 2026-72
ranking uh ranking. So, I need to rank

2104
02:52:55,760 --> 02:53:03,680
each one. Correct. Okay.
Okay. 1 2 3. Read it in that order. 1 2

2105
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:08,880
3 4. So it would be uh last parking and
then it would be um

2106
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:13,840
sorry here. Uh it would then be correct
me if I'm wrong here. Pen peninsula

2107
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:16,840
parking passport parking and then one
parking.

2108
02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:23,840
» Is that hard for you?
>> Is it do a second?

2109
02:53:20,880 --> 02:53:26,800
» Second. I'll second that.
>> All right. We have a motion and a

2110
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:29,840
second. And Penny, if you call the roll,
please.

2111
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:32,479
» Commissioner Cunningham.
>> Yes.

2112
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:34,640
» Commissioner Santo,
>> yes to motion.

2113
02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:36,560
» Commissioner Sprdley,
>> yes. The motion.

2114
02:53:35,520 --> 02:53:37,760
» Commissioner Sherman,
>> yes.

2115
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:41,760
» Chair Kulie,
>> yes. The motion. Motion passes

2116
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:44,560
unanimous. Move on to AAA. Ordinance
2026-9.

2117
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:48,479
here.
>> Ordinance 2026-9, an ordinance by the

2118
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:51,279
city commission of the city of Flagler
Beach, Florida, adopting the city

2119
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:57,000
organizational chart for fiscal year
202627, providing for conflict and

2120
02:53:53,680 --> 02:53:57,000
effective date.

2121
02:53:57,920 --> 02:54:03,760
» All right, city manager, uh you have
before you in the packet, which was also

2122
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:07,439
included in the budget, the proposed
organizational chart. Um, in essence,

2123
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:12,479
there are no changes from the
organizational chart from the previous

2124
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:17,680
year. So you see the various departments
listed uh listed uh city commission at

2125
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:22,560
the top followed by the city manager all
the departments that report to the city

2126
02:54:20,160 --> 02:54:27,600
manager and then the subordinate uh
departments that report to public works.

2127
02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:31,760
So it is presented to you for
consideration.

2128
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:38,200
All right. Comments or questions for the
city manager about the organizational

2129
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:38,200
chart or the information?

2130
02:54:38,240 --> 02:54:41,439
» I do.
>> Yes, sir.

2131
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:49,200
I assume
city engineer is going to be in the

2132
02:54:46,720 --> 02:54:54,720
public works box on the chart. Is that
right?

2133
02:54:51,600 --> 02:55:00,640
So everything else,
wastewater, utility, I mean all these

2134
02:54:57,040 --> 02:55:04,319
other boxes will fall under one person.
>> Correct.

2135
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:08,000
» Those are traditional public works
duties. There's a lot of specialized

2136
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:12,520
licenses that go along with wastewater
and and water and

2137
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:17,720
everything else that's in here.

2138
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:23,319
That's a lot to be under one person.

2139
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:33,120
» Mhm.
I mean from typically organized charts

2140
02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:39,040
I've ever seen in cities there's they
separate it a little bit

2141
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:43,399
putting some of it under engineering and
some of it under public works.

2142
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:56,640
» Is that not something that we could
consider?

2143
02:55:55,200 --> 02:56:01,439
I think this is the most effective
organizational chart. Uh the city

2144
02:55:59,439 --> 02:56:08,319
engineer would have five direct reports
to him where I as a city manager have

2145
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:13,120
13. So I think five is a reasonable
responsibility

2146
02:56:09,920 --> 02:56:16,600
um for the city engineer or the director
of public works.

2147
02:56:25,359 --> 02:56:32,840
Can the city engineer handle all this?
He's been handling it for the last 3

2148
02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:32,840
years.

2149
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:41,560
With some hiccups along the way.
Absolutely.

2150
02:56:44,800 --> 02:56:52,840
That's it. Any other questions or
comments on organizational chart?

2151
02:56:53,279 --> 02:57:00,319
» Look for a motion.
>> Motion to approve ordinance 2026-9.

2152
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:03,040
» Second.
All right. We have a motion, a second.

2153
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:07,640
We'll open this up public comment. Any
members of the public wish to speak on

2154
02:57:04,479 --> 02:57:07,640
this agenda?

2155
02:57:09,439 --> 02:57:15,520
I see no one close public comment.
Further discussion? Uh, just to clarify,

2156
02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:21,520
this is first reading, so it'll be back
before you again on September 24th.

2157
02:57:19,200 --> 02:57:23,439
All right, if you call the roll, please.
>> Commissioner Santo,

2158
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:25,359
» yes, the motion.
>> Commissioner Sprdley,

2159
02:57:24,479 --> 02:57:26,800
» yes to the motion.
>> Commissioner Sherman,

2160
02:57:26,319 --> 02:57:29,680
» yes.
>> Commissioner Cunningham,

2161
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:34,479
» no.
>> Chair Kulie,

2162
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:38,319
» yes, the motion. Motion passes 41.
>> All right, step four, city attorney. One

2163
02:57:36,640 --> 02:57:43,439
little followup from I think the chair
your comments at the or your concern you

2164
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:48,399
expressed at the last meeting regarding
Valuchia County Dakota Beach area and

2165
02:57:46,960 --> 02:57:52,560
them cracking down a little bit on beach
events and taking forward. So I did a

2166
02:57:50,880 --> 02:57:55,359
little bit of digging and they do not
appear to have adopted their own

2167
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:59,520
legislation. What they did this past
summer county and Daytona Beach I think

2168
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:04,560
were most were both more active in
invoking state law that allows them to

2169
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:07,520
escalate penalties. Um I looked up the
term three times now. that keeps on

2170
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:12,000
flying out of my head. Special event
zones and it's a statutory process that

2171
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:18,960
allows it only covers streets, not
beaches. But they've been kind of tying

2172
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:25,040
that together with youth curfews and and
other and other things to try to to

2173
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:28,640
limit
discourage I would say activities. But

2174
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:32,560
what the special event zones under state
law does as to the street, you can

2175
02:58:31,200 --> 02:58:35,520
increase parking, you can go straight to
towing, you can do things like that. But

2176
02:58:34,399 --> 02:58:40,560
again, it really doesn't touch the
beach, but they've added these layers to

2177
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:44,399
try to make it a dual effort
where I think you were thinking and I

2178
02:58:42,160 --> 02:58:48,080
did see chatter on social media
regarding what Panama City and one of

2179
02:58:46,160 --> 02:58:52,080
the Miami cities have done, which is
adopting an ordinance which kind of

2180
02:58:50,560 --> 02:58:56,160
applies sending the state has done for
roads out to the beach. While I've seen

2181
02:58:54,640 --> 02:58:59,520
the social media comments, I haven't
seen anything in their formal record

2182
02:58:57,359 --> 02:59:02,960
show they're formally discussing it yet.
But there are certainly again Panama

2183
02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:05,600
City, certainly Panama City Beach has
done it. So there are those

2184
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:08,560
jurisdictions are considering it. So I
don't doubt the conversation has come up

2185
02:59:06,880 --> 02:59:11,040
down there, but as of right now, they
haven't agenda anything. There haven't

2186
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:14,720
been any formal discussions about going
that direction. They've been leveraging

2187
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:18,800
what exists under existing law to kind
of to do that crackdown this past

2188
02:59:16,479 --> 02:59:22,880
summer.
>> So you're not seeing anything out there

2189
02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:26,000
as far as u
other than

2190
02:59:25,279 --> 02:59:29,439
» nothing.
>> Chatter on social media, but nothing

2191
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:32,640
actually formally coming to them. But
again, chattering on social media get

2192
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:34,640
somebody formal action and it might be
simmering. It just hasn't come forward

2193
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:41,040
yet.
>> Right. Okay. That's good info.

2194
02:59:38,479 --> 02:59:45,200
» Right. City manager. Uh just a reminder,
tomorrow is the 25th anniversary of

2195
02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:48,240
September 11th. We have a ceremony out
at Veterans Park. Actually, it's

2196
02:59:46,880 --> 02:59:52,080
sponsored by the Knights of Columbus.
So, thank you to them um for their

2197
02:59:50,240 --> 02:59:56,640
sponsorship. That's at 8:00 tomorrow
morning. Um, other meetings scheduled,

2198
02:59:54,640 --> 03:00:00,880
we have the CRA advisory board meeting
scheduled for Monday, September 14th.

2199
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:04,960
Uh, you've scheduled a special meeting
on September 23rd and then the next

2200
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:08,240
regular city commission meeting,
including the second public hearing and

2201
03:00:06,720 --> 03:00:13,359
formal adoption of the budget is
scheduled for September 24th. Um, with

2202
03:00:10,720 --> 03:00:17,760
regard to projects, um, based upon
conversations with the Department of

2203
03:00:15,359 --> 03:00:22,479
Environmental Protection, our Beachwalk
project is officially dead. Um there's

2204
03:00:20,640 --> 03:00:30,720
been an administrative ruling that says
you cannot build anything

2205
03:00:25,520 --> 03:00:35,760
seawword of the dune line. So um what
Mr. Fernandez and Mr. Pommo from Mafet

2206
03:00:33,920 --> 03:00:41,520
Nickel have talked about is we can
maintain the existing footprint and I

2207
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:47,600
think we kind of hinted or had some
discussions about that when the the need

2208
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:52,000
to redevelop the dune first came up. So
um we're going to look at what is our

2209
03:00:50,319 --> 03:00:58,399
existing footprint. How can we
incorporate again the lifeguard

2210
03:00:55,359 --> 03:01:02,960
headquarters, the radio station and the
bathroom. So that'll be coming back. Um

2211
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:08,640
this probably in the in the estimation
of Mr. Fernandez may actually strengthen

2212
03:01:05,200 --> 03:01:14,880
our pursuit of the excess or the
additional $2.5 million because this

2213
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:19,040
will be directly tied to the pier
related to the pier construction. So, um

2214
03:01:17,200 --> 03:01:23,359
that's an ongoing thing, but there was
some talk and I I'll gladly share with

2215
03:01:21,040 --> 03:01:29,279
you some some diagrams. He said you
could skinny up the prominade if you

2216
03:01:26,560 --> 03:01:34,479
wanted to go south. That would impact
parking. And I said, I don't think this

2217
03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:39,200
commission has the appetite to reduce
basically the parking immediately south

2218
03:01:37,359 --> 03:01:43,840
of the pier would become parallel
parking instead of angle parking.

2219
03:01:42,240 --> 03:01:48,720
I'll gladly show you those, but my
initial direction to the engineer was

2220
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:52,479
that I don't think you have the appetite
for that. The same thing about going

2221
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:58,560
northward
where the handicap ramp is and there's

2222
03:01:55,120 --> 03:02:02,479
three covered pavilions. Um, so I think
basically uh if we if we're going to go

2223
03:02:00,640 --> 03:02:06,800
forward this, which I think we need to
anyway to modernize the facilities under

2224
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:11,439
the A-frame,
we will come back with you with a with a

2225
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:17,120
conceptual plan and figure out where do
we go from there. But the state u their

2226
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:22,080
regulatory ruling um has has basically
said no, we can't build the prominade

2227
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:25,840
the way we intended or desired to build
the prominade. And I know that there's

2228
03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:30,880
been discussions again I haven't been
here. you know, when you talk about

2229
03:02:27,600 --> 03:02:36,000
public space or uh you know, we've had
public events on the pier. So maybe that

2230
03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:40,000
becomes an option that you know, whether
you have things like cheer for the pier

2231
03:02:37,520 --> 03:02:45,359
or other events, you know, do you make
it possible to have public events,

2232
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:48,479
closed public events or private events
on the pier itself, but that's that's a

2233
03:02:47,279 --> 03:02:52,399
discussion as part of the pier
operations. But I just wanted to inform

2234
03:02:50,479 --> 03:02:57,439
you and I'll share with you the letter
um that Mr. POMO provided uh that

2235
03:02:54,800 --> 03:03:03,439
basically said, "Yep, DP just made a a
new regulatory ruling that across the

2236
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:09,840
state you can no longer expand to the
seawward side of the doom." So, um that

2237
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:15,279
I had a great meeting with FDOT today
talking about the the ongoing design of

2238
03:03:12,880 --> 03:03:19,600
the Suntrail. Um, we received I've
received a few concerns from residents

2239
03:03:17,359 --> 03:03:26,080
who I'm scheduled to meet with tomorrow
um concerning the the preliminary path

2240
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:32,720
has the Sun Trail uh which varies
between 10 and 12 ft wide coming up the

2241
03:03:29,040 --> 03:03:38,479
west side of A1A from the extreme south
city limits at 9inth Street coming in

2242
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:45,120
and then looping around the tennis
courts and going up South Lagler to

2243
03:03:41,840 --> 03:03:49,359
North Lagler and And the the what a lot
of the what the complaints that I've

2244
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:55,680
received and FDOT received was when you
get to North 10th Street, North 10th

2245
03:03:51,840 --> 03:04:01,439
Street is very constrained and it to put
a new 10 foot or even 8ft path you are

2246
03:03:59,920 --> 03:04:05,520
impacting even though it's in the right
of way you are impacting their

2247
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:09,920
driveways. They wouldn't have room to
park because their garages are so far

2248
03:04:07,200 --> 03:04:15,520
forward. So that section of North 10th
Street from North Flagler to A1A is

2249
03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:20,080
going to be marked with sheros. There
will be no improvements. There'll be no

2250
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:24,640
additional path. Basically, everyone
will use the road itself. When they get

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03:04:23,040 --> 03:04:28,240
to
A1A,

2252
03:04:26,240 --> 03:04:31,359
which was a little surprising to me. I
didn't realize we were looking at it.

2253
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:35,760
Not only are they going to go north to
the city limits again on the west side

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03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:43,040
of A1A, but they're actually going to go
south all the way down to I believe

2255
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:47,279
south or north 4th Street to tie in with
one of their

2256
03:04:45,040 --> 03:04:51,359
um crosswalks, one of the new
crosswalks. So I thought the original

2257
03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:56,479
concept in my mind was we're going to
take 10th Street to A1A and then only go

2258
03:04:53,439 --> 03:05:01,200
north. No, they're going to rebuild the
trail going south as far south, I

2259
03:04:58,880 --> 03:05:05,040
believe, as South Fourth Street. They're
also going to extend the trail down at

2260
03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:09,680
South Ninth Street. They're going to
extend it all the way up to 8th Street,

2261
03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:16,880
South 8th Street, where there is the
installed crosswalk signal. So, that

2262
03:05:12,640 --> 03:05:20,479
ties into our existing boardwalk down at
that area. Um, so again, the concerns

2263
03:05:19,040 --> 03:05:23,439
that were voiced to me by a couple
residents, I think they've also shared

2264
03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:27,359
them with Commissioner Bradley. I'm
scheduled to meet with them tomorrow.

2265
03:05:25,279 --> 03:05:31,120
Um, so I'll share with them that their
concerns about impacting their property

2266
03:05:29,359 --> 03:05:37,680
should be alleviated because there's
going to be no out of the right of way,

2267
03:05:34,080 --> 03:05:41,520
out of the roadway improvements that
will affect their property. It will not

2268
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:46,560
affect the church property either
because it's going to be confined to the

2269
03:05:43,359 --> 03:05:50,240
road itself except on the right on North
Flagler

2270
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:55,120
at whatever I think it's North 8 Street
is on the south side of the big park

2271
03:05:52,560 --> 03:05:59,359
church parking lot area. It transitions
from the west side of North Flagler to

2272
03:05:57,680 --> 03:06:03,200
the east side where the church property
is and stays within the rightway.

2273
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:07,840
Everything's in the right of way to go
north to the intersection of North 10th

2274
03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:14,960
Street and then it transitions into the
roadway itself. A couple of the F dot

2275
03:06:10,880 --> 03:06:21,200
issues, they are in the design d design
stage for redoing the drainage and

2276
03:06:17,279 --> 03:06:27,760
repaving South Lagler
and we we talked about uh they're in the

2277
03:06:25,520 --> 03:06:33,760
funding process to fund the paving of
South Central.

2278
03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:39,120
Um, and I told them that there are a lot
of local concerns about pole pollution.

2279
03:06:36,479 --> 03:06:44,000
That's their term with all the signs and
crosswalks. I said, "My impression is

2280
03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:47,680
that people prefer the I call them the
blinky blinks, not these big overhead

2281
03:06:46,160 --> 03:06:52,000
things." And they're like, "It's
interesting because four or five years

2282
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:56,720
ago, people hated the blinky blinks."
And that's what led to the they call

2283
03:06:54,319 --> 03:07:00,000
them the pedestrian hybrid, the two red
lights and things like that. They said,

2284
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:04,960
"So, we're we're coming full circle."
They said, "It's not out of the question

2285
03:07:02,800 --> 03:07:11,200
that perhaps they could consider
eliminating those overhead signals and

2286
03:07:08,080 --> 03:07:15,120
going back to what I colloially call the
blinky blinks, which they definitely

2287
03:07:13,200 --> 03:07:21,040
seem more effective from my perspective
as a both a pedestrian and a driver."

2288
03:07:18,160 --> 03:07:26,479
Um, so a great meeting with with uh FD
uh Veterans Park. We have and I will

2289
03:07:23,120 --> 03:07:32,560
email you the landscape architect. um
that was uh funded by Mr. Belchi and

2290
03:07:30,160 --> 03:07:39,600
recommended by uh Mr. Bula from Compass
Hotel has presented a initial concept

2291
03:07:36,720 --> 03:07:43,920
of revising Veterans Park. Um just like
paid parking, this is the first

2292
03:07:41,359 --> 03:07:48,640
spaghetti at the wall. So I will email
you that and accept your comments. We've

2293
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:53,120
presented it to the parks committee last
week. I'll share it with the CRA

2294
03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:56,880
advisory board on Monday. I'll share it
with you via email tomorrow. Please look

2295
03:07:55,279 --> 03:08:01,040
it over, offer your comments. It's
simply a starting point for discussion.

2296
03:07:59,040 --> 03:08:05,760
So, u please consider that. Look it
over. If you have any questions, let me

2297
03:08:02,399 --> 03:08:12,080
know. Um at the finance committee
meeting earlier this week, um we had a

2298
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:17,760
presentation from first tryon um and
this is a group that was introduced to

2299
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:21,840
us, at least me, by Mr. Fernandez down
at Florida League of Cities. They

2300
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:28,000
basically create a spreadsheet on
steroids. That's my words. um that

2301
03:08:25,040 --> 03:08:35,359
provide long-term financial planning for
our capital projects. Um and the uh

2302
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:39,040
finance committee endorsed it
unofficially. They didn't actually take

2303
03:08:36,800 --> 03:08:41,920
a vote, but there and Mayor King and
Commissioner Sprattley were there.

2304
03:08:40,160 --> 03:08:46,080
Commissioner Cunningham was was at the
meeting as a spectator. Um so the the

2305
03:08:44,640 --> 03:08:50,720
recommendation from them was to move
forward with that. They did offer a

2306
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:56,080
proposal to me. Um, so the spreadsheet,
the program, um, is $30,000 to start

2307
03:08:54,240 --> 03:09:01,359
with, but that will then once we do
that, if we want to walk away, we have,

2308
03:08:58,720 --> 03:09:05,279
we incur no further costs. Um, but that
will provide some credibility and

2309
03:09:03,279 --> 03:09:10,560
dashboards. Commissioner Santos talked
about creating dashboards to make some

2310
03:09:07,680 --> 03:09:16,160
of our financial aspects more user
friendly. So, this is a program that can

2311
03:09:13,600 --> 03:09:20,479
create charts and bar graphs. Um, so in
all likelihood, we'll move forward with

2312
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:25,040
that. Um, we have funding remaining in
this current year's fiscal budget, so it

2313
03:09:22,319 --> 03:09:28,080
doesn't affect next year's budget. Um,
so look forward to working on that. I

2314
03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:33,120
don't know if comm Mayor King or
Commissioner Bradley are copying on

2315
03:09:29,439 --> 03:09:38,160
that. Um, and lastly, um, at the last
meeting, I did provide you a copy of the

2316
03:09:35,520 --> 03:09:43,920
goals that were contemplated from the
visioning session. Those will be

2317
03:09:40,880 --> 03:09:48,479
presented on the September 24th agenda.
So, if you have any revisions or

2318
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:52,000
comments on those goals um for
consideration, otherwise they're going

2319
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:56,000
to be presented as I've given them to
you on the page that's all yellow

2320
03:09:53,600 --> 03:09:59,200
highlights. Um they'll you can revise
them at the meeting if you're so

2321
03:09:57,040 --> 03:10:06,399
inclined, but those will be included on
the September 24th agenda as well. So,

2322
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:11,040
any questions for city manager, Mr. Cam?
>> Yeah. Now, when you said the the bicycle

2323
03:10:09,040 --> 03:10:14,040
lanes or Florida trail, whatever it's
called,

2324
03:10:14,160 --> 03:10:19,200
it's going to go north Flaggler. They're
just going to widen the road a little

2325
03:10:17,600 --> 03:10:23,600
bit
and make a bike lane, I guess, right?

2326
03:10:21,120 --> 03:10:27,120
It's actually going to be a segregated
path. It's going to be basically a new

2327
03:10:25,600 --> 03:10:32,479
sidewalk.
North Flagger presents, according to the

2328
03:10:29,120 --> 03:10:36,160
FDOT concepts, North Wagger creates some
drainage issues. So, they're actually

2329
03:10:33,840 --> 03:10:42,960
going to tie it into a Miami curb or a
rollover curb and have the path slightly

2330
03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:48,399
inclined so that the water or any
moisture on the trail will drain toward

2331
03:10:46,880 --> 03:10:52,960
the road and away from people's
property.

2332
03:10:49,600 --> 03:10:56,800
» It's only going to go east on 10th
Street, A1A, and then go south all the

2333
03:10:55,600 --> 03:11:00,240
way down to
>> South Four Street. Southrect.

2334
03:10:59,200 --> 03:11:03,439
» Is that going to affect any of the
parallel parking

2335
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:06,399
» that No. Well,
>> on the side of the road there,

2336
03:11:04,479 --> 03:11:09,680
» it's all in the rightway and I'll have
they're supposed to send me the concept.

2337
03:11:08,000 --> 03:11:15,720
I'll share the concept with you when
when FDOT emails it to me um as well,

2338
03:11:16,960 --> 03:11:23,120
but it's an 8 to 10 foot path. Um
non-motorized.

2339
03:11:21,279 --> 03:11:27,120
I asked FDOT the questions like, okay,
the are the FOT police going to be out

2340
03:11:25,200 --> 03:11:32,880
there to stop golf carts from riding on
these? and they said there is no F do

2341
03:11:29,840 --> 03:11:37,120
police. So that will be up to us to
police that. And it might be that when

2342
03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:41,760
people reregister their golf carts every
year, we put a disclaimer on there that

2343
03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:45,680
says
under penalty of whatever you're not

2344
03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:48,800
allowed to operate your golf cart
because people are going to do it

2345
03:11:47,279 --> 03:11:53,600
because then the argument becomes well
non-motorized. Well, what about an

2346
03:11:50,640 --> 03:11:58,240
ebike? and ebike has a motor and but
that says they can't put ballards up to

2347
03:11:56,240 --> 03:12:04,080
to stop golf carts from using it because
the ballards are considered dangerous to

2348
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:08,319
bikers. Um so that'll be an interesting
enforcement issue that we'll have to

2349
03:12:06,240 --> 03:12:12,000
address. It's still in the final design
phases. So, it's still probably two or

2350
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:18,800
three years out from any construction,
but a lot of the surveyors you've seen

2351
03:12:13,760 --> 03:12:22,880
out um have been related to to FDOT and
the Sunrail.

2352
03:12:20,319 --> 03:12:28,200
» 8 to 10 ft. That's going to affect the
parking from 10th down to 4th,

2353
03:12:29,840 --> 03:12:36,560
but we'll see what the plan looks like.
>> And there's still several meetings and

2354
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:41,120
public meetings that'll be scheduled. So
it's we're kind of sort of at the 60%

2355
03:12:39,120 --> 03:12:44,640
design phase right now. Construction is
not imminent.

2356
03:12:42,800 --> 03:12:51,040
Several public meetings officially run
by FDOT as well.

2357
03:12:48,479 --> 03:12:55,760
Questions for city manager.
The only comment I had is if we're

2358
03:12:52,880 --> 03:12:59,120
looking if FDOT is looking at going full
circle on a couple things that they're

2359
03:12:57,359 --> 03:13:03,120
doing.
I might just be speaking for myself, but

2360
03:13:01,040 --> 03:13:09,680
is there any way they can come full
circle and not have the no right turn on

2361
03:13:06,319 --> 03:13:11,520
green at 100 and A1A, which creates mass
confusion?

2362
03:13:10,160 --> 03:13:16,160
» Yep. That's already being looked at by
FDA. Y

2363
03:13:12,160 --> 03:13:18,240
» has got to be the worst thing ever.
>> Nobody knows what to do with it,

2364
03:13:17,600 --> 03:13:26,000
» right?
>> But that's been raised with FDOT by uh

2365
03:13:22,160 --> 03:13:30,319
the A1A groups as well as city staff has
raised that issue as well.

2366
03:13:27,439 --> 03:13:34,479
» Yeah. You know in traffic, tell them to
go and stop at the same time,

2367
03:13:32,239 --> 03:13:38,920
» right?
>> All right. Um, Penny,

2368
03:13:55,840 --> 03:14:04,560
» contract with University of Central
Florida on

2369
03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:08,680
the rest of it. The rest of it approved
and that was come back

2370
03:14:09,200 --> 03:14:19,000
after October one and he reached out to
Spectrum to about

2371
03:14:20,080 --> 03:14:28,560
directly um a dedicated line to improve
speeding

2372
03:14:26,160 --> 03:14:28,560
and

2373
03:14:30,399 --> 03:14:36,920
So probably not
reached out to Metro.

2374
03:14:53,680 --> 03:15:01,600
I would say because that's so important
if this becomes a money thing should

2375
03:14:59,520 --> 03:15:06,000
probably come to us for consideration
about you know we could we could pull it

2376
03:15:04,720 --> 03:15:09,439
or reserve if we need to.
>> I think yeah I think they'll be

2377
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:12,640
sufficient based upon the work that Miss
Overreet and Mr. Mson are doing. I don't

2378
03:15:11,359 --> 03:15:16,000
think the money is going to be an issue.
It's just let's let's move it forward

2379
03:15:14,319 --> 03:15:18,319
and that's what Mr.son and Miss Overreet
are working on. And

2380
03:15:16,800 --> 03:15:26,840
» let's give that credit to Daniel because
he's doing the footwork on this. So, Mr.

2381
03:15:22,560 --> 03:15:26,840
All right, mayor.

2382
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:30,520
I don't want

2383
03:15:30,560 --> 03:15:37,520
Commissioner Sandor.
The timing of this lightning is kind of

2384
03:15:34,399 --> 03:15:44,640
funny. Uh, but I met with uh Mr. Shame
recently who asked to meet with me and

2385
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:50,160
um he's going to be bringing forth plans
to annex in the rest of Veranda Bay

2386
03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:53,840
where
their homes are already approved and

2387
03:15:52,160 --> 03:16:00,080
built for the most part but that'll
bring in uh more money obviously to the

2388
03:15:57,279 --> 03:16:06,960
city. So I'm trying to schedule a
meeting between him, Mr. Belshi, myself,

2389
03:16:04,479 --> 03:16:12,319
uh, Commissioner Carney at the county,
and, um, I would even like to get, uh,

2390
03:16:09,279 --> 03:16:17,359
Mr. Hathaway, uh, Caleb Haway and on the
meeting, too, so we can have a nice

2391
03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:22,399
discussion and and see what the plan is.
So, but regardless of what I feel about

2392
03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:28,239
it, he's bringing the plans forward, I
think Monday, uh, possibly. So, I

2393
03:16:25,920 --> 03:16:33,359
imagine that will be in front of us
soon. So, that's all I have for now. I'm

2394
03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:37,279
suffering from the flu. So, thank you,
>> Commissioner Sprley.

2395
03:16:35,120 --> 03:16:43,120
» Thank you. Um, first of all, I want to
thank I'd like for Dale to convey this.

2396
03:16:40,239 --> 03:16:47,279
Uh, thank city staff for all the work
concerning the budget this year. There

2397
03:16:45,040 --> 03:16:50,560
was a lot, you know, we had, uh, three
workshops. We had our first budget

2398
03:16:49,040 --> 03:16:54,399
meeting tonight. We have another one
coming up. There's a lot of material

2399
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:58,000
there, a lot of hands in this from city
staff. So, I appreciate all the work

2400
03:16:56,000 --> 03:17:03,439
that they did. and this is the fourth
time I've been on the board when we've

2401
03:17:00,479 --> 03:17:07,840
had a budget and I think it was the uh
it was the most comprehensive but yet

2402
03:17:05,600 --> 03:17:14,239
understandable budget uh that I've seen.
So I appreciate that. Um, as far as the

2403
03:17:10,800 --> 03:17:19,840
trail and your meetings with DOT, I'm
very happy to hear how the treatment of

2404
03:17:17,840 --> 03:17:22,880
North 10th Street will be because it's
the residents there that were having the

2405
03:17:21,680 --> 03:17:28,640
most difficult time with it who
contacted me. And uh, so it sounds like

2406
03:17:25,760 --> 03:17:34,720
having signage in the road is what it
sounds like is uh, a good uh, resolution

2407
03:17:32,800 --> 03:17:42,239
of that. I think that that will be a lot
less intrusive on those neighbors. I

2408
03:17:36,880 --> 03:17:47,279
also like the fact that um there will be
uh it'll run up to the two crosswalks

2409
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:51,520
north and south to allow those who want
to traverse that trail to either go down

2410
03:17:49,600 --> 03:17:55,200
through the town or to go up to the
boardwalk and go to the boardwalk and

2411
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:59,840
come back. So that that sounds great. I
look forward to that getting done. Um

2412
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:05,359
you mentioned the presentation by first
tryon to the finance committee. Um, I

2413
03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:12,399
felt as I was listening to the
presentation,

2414
03:18:06,960 --> 03:18:17,200
I was feeling um feelings of relief of
thinking that that's exactly what we

2415
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:23,680
need. And I didn't even think that
that's what we were missing. But uh and

2416
03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:27,279
by that what I mean is that um if they
were to be retained what they would do

2417
03:18:25,279 --> 03:18:32,880
is give us guidance on the effect of
buying a new fire truck 5 years from

2418
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:38,000
now, how to go about planning a budget
in order to do that. uh and any other

2419
03:18:35,600 --> 03:18:43,120
capital projects just to have a team
there that can help us understand the

2420
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:47,600
financial consequences of the decisions
we make up here because sometimes I feel

2421
03:18:45,279 --> 03:18:52,160
a bit helpless you know and trying to
say okay that project sounds good we'll

2422
03:18:49,760 --> 03:18:56,399
we'll go ahead and do it and uh while
they would not be uh making those

2423
03:18:54,560 --> 03:19:00,160
decisions on what projects to do they
would be telling us how to finance these

2424
03:18:58,160 --> 03:19:04,640
things for one thing and that sounded
very appetizing to me so I like that and

2425
03:19:03,040 --> 03:19:09,439
the last thing I want to say because I
you know finance committee uh is

2426
03:19:07,840 --> 03:19:13,600
composed of volunteers. We have a number
of volunteer boards here and I

2427
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:19,840
appreciate everyone who serves on all of
these boards. It's the it's residents

2428
03:19:16,319 --> 03:19:24,800
who love this city and this area and who
want to serve and I know I served on a

2429
03:19:22,640 --> 03:19:28,960
couple boards but coming here and it's
you don't do it for anything other than

2430
03:19:26,960 --> 03:19:32,560
your desire to help the city out. So I
appreciate everyone who serves on all

2431
03:19:30,399 --> 03:19:37,920
those boards. Thank you,
>> Mr. Sherman. Yeah. Um I the first thing

2432
03:19:35,200 --> 03:19:42,479
I wanted to update everybody on um the
uh oh gosh it's it's late. I'm sorry.

2433
03:19:40,560 --> 03:19:46,479
The the Keith Flagler Beach beautiful
group. They picked up uh we I

2434
03:19:44,960 --> 03:19:52,880
contributed five pounds of garbage
myself but um 450 pounds of garbage were

2435
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:56,720
picked up on um Saturday. So that was
you know they had a huge turnout for it.

2436
03:19:54,399 --> 03:20:01,040
Um I think the ROC from a Kansas high
school came out in full strength. Um it

2437
03:19:58,800 --> 03:20:06,319
was a really really great turnout to
see. Um gosh, cigarette butts are just

2438
03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:09,439
still, you know, the the number one
thing we're finding. I mean, I found

2439
03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:14,399
some flip-flops. Somebody found a break
pad out there, I think. Um there was

2440
03:20:12,319 --> 03:20:18,000
interesting things that you'll find. Uh
and I think this was just in the

2441
03:20:15,600 --> 03:20:22,720
downtown corridor and and uh throughout
the beach, but um gosh, you know, the I

2442
03:20:21,200 --> 03:20:27,840
don't know what we what more we can do.
I mean, just you know, it's I guess just

2443
03:20:24,720 --> 03:20:31,359
educating people and hopefully um we can
get away from these cigarette butts. But

2444
03:20:29,600 --> 03:20:35,680
uh again, Keep Flaggler Beach Beautiful
did a great job and uh the hotel I think

2445
03:20:33,680 --> 03:20:39,040
sponsored some of the event as well. So
they had some great raffles and I think

2446
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:43,200
they raised some money. So it was a good
community event to see people out there

2447
03:20:40,479 --> 03:20:47,600
for that. Um the other talk two other
talking points I had was um I'm noticing

2448
03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:51,279
I don't know our former mayor was it was
kind of a big sticking point for a while

2449
03:20:49,200 --> 03:20:55,200
there where you know um at the beach
approach there where uh it used we used

2450
03:20:53,520 --> 03:20:59,680
to have like a post and rope there. it
it's getting destroyed again with uh

2451
03:20:57,439 --> 03:21:05,279
foot traffic and everything. Uh there's
no rope or anything there. I wasn't sure

2452
03:21:02,880 --> 03:21:08,640
what if if the policies lightened up on
that that we're just allowing people to

2453
03:21:06,880 --> 03:21:12,800
trample all over it or if there's a
reason for it. I I understand like when

2454
03:21:10,160 --> 03:21:17,040
the for our lifeguards um wrapping up
now and thanks to them for all they did

2455
03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:20,479
this year, but you know, it's it's just
it's it's free rain. You're seeing

2456
03:21:18,479 --> 03:21:24,800
people just constantly go over there. I
don't know. I don't know if any barriers

2457
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:29,840
would do any good, but you know, I don't
know um what what your thoughts are

2458
03:21:27,040 --> 03:21:33,600
there. And then um my last point for you
would be is um when we went over the

2459
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:36,160
insurance benefits for the employees,
you know, there there was he was a

2460
03:21:34,880 --> 03:21:40,720
little contentious there a little bit
about raises and you know, why should I

2461
03:21:38,479 --> 03:21:44,800
fill out this uh performance evaluation
if you're not going to give me this

2462
03:21:42,239 --> 03:21:48,800
raise? Well, you know, that that's all
part of it, you know, and part of

2463
03:21:46,640 --> 03:21:52,000
working and you know, you have to write,
hey, I've got goals. I've got, you know,

2464
03:21:50,640 --> 03:21:56,319
things. This is what I did this year.
So, this gives your managers an idea of

2465
03:21:54,080 --> 03:22:00,080
what to give, you know, incentivize the
employees and give them raises. Um,

2466
03:21:58,319 --> 03:22:03,680
where I'm going with this is a couple I
I don't know. It was early on in my

2467
03:22:01,359 --> 03:22:07,279
tenure here, you know, on the board, we
did a rate study at, you know, that went

2468
03:22:05,520 --> 03:22:10,800
out. I don't think it's necessary for it
to go back out for another company. But

2469
03:22:08,960 --> 03:22:14,000
what my question for you is is, you
know, one of the employees brought up,

2470
03:22:12,239 --> 03:22:16,319
well, I have all these certificates and
we should be going to these other

2471
03:22:15,200 --> 03:22:20,399
municip I go to these other
municipalities, make all this extra

2472
03:22:17,680 --> 03:22:23,439
money. Um, so I guess maybe, you know,
it wasn't a goal for you this year, but

2473
03:22:21,920 --> 03:22:27,520
maybe I can tweak your goals. I know you
kind of mentioned that, but maybe um

2474
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:32,239
over the course of this next fiscal
year, you can also kind of give us, you

2475
03:22:29,200 --> 03:22:36,239
know, um a pay study. You know, I'm not
asking you to go out um out and find a

2476
03:22:35,200 --> 03:22:40,479
consultant. I don't think it's
necessary. I think there's enough data

2477
03:22:38,239 --> 03:22:44,080
out there that could show you, okay,
well, based on the population here in

2478
03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:49,600
Flaggler Beach, um, you know, this is
what, uh, you know, a a a wastewater

2479
03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:53,200
person makes versus, you know, and what
we're paying. And just to kind of have a

2480
03:22:51,520 --> 03:22:56,399
make sure we're we're paying competitive
wages. Um, you know, I know this was the

2481
03:22:55,120 --> 03:23:01,520
first time in a while where we've heard
anything about raises and, you know, um,

2482
03:22:59,120 --> 03:23:04,960
like I said, my first year, you know,
that was a that was a really big

2483
03:23:02,960 --> 03:23:08,960
sticking point, but that hadn't surfaced
again till around this, you know, this

2484
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:12,319
year. So, I just think that it'd be
important to maybe just do another rate

2485
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:17,120
study. I don't know what the practice is
um for cities to do that every so often.

2486
03:23:15,200 --> 03:23:20,239
Um, but I just wanted to kind of put
that on your radar as well. I think it

2487
03:23:18,640 --> 03:23:23,920
was a a topic that kind of was a
sticking point with me when we had the

2488
03:23:21,920 --> 03:23:30,160
debacle with the insurance.
>> Um, and just to build on that, I have

2489
03:23:26,640 --> 03:23:35,680
directed the the directors that if they
want to promote

2490
03:23:33,520 --> 03:23:40,640
training or certifications
that it's up to them to decide what

2491
03:23:38,560 --> 03:23:43,840
training skills we need. For example,
Commissioner Cunningham brought up, you

2492
03:23:42,319 --> 03:23:49,600
know, training for people to operate the
sewer sewer crawlers. Okay. Well, if you

2493
03:23:46,880 --> 03:23:54,080
want if you go and get your sewer
crawler operator license, we'll give you

2494
03:23:52,160 --> 03:23:58,319
an increase. And so have the director
say, "These are the skills that I want

2495
03:23:56,160 --> 03:24:00,720
to have improved. So these are the
skills or the training or the

2496
03:23:59,600 --> 03:24:05,520
certificates that I'm going to
incentivize for you." Um, I think the

2497
03:24:03,520 --> 03:24:09,680
current rate study was done. I think
that was completed the year before I got

2498
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:16,080
here. I think it's still pretty relevant
or or um in line because I don't think

2499
03:24:12,640 --> 03:24:20,800
there's too many. the ranges were so
great within

2500
03:24:18,239 --> 03:24:26,000
each job description that I don't think
anybody is really bumping up against the

2501
03:24:23,040 --> 03:24:29,359
higher echelon of the range that was
presented in that rate study. But I'll

2502
03:24:27,840 --> 03:24:34,080
I'll pull it out and share it with you
where we stand now and and uh the whole

2503
03:24:32,160 --> 03:24:38,319
salary structure will be presented to
you again as part of the September 24th

2504
03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:43,520
meeting as well.
>> Thank you. I appreciate that.

2505
03:24:40,720 --> 03:24:48,640
» Mr. Cunningham.
I think couple things

2506
03:24:46,640 --> 03:24:53,359
and this may relate to the what you were
talking about with veterans part of the

2507
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:57,600
uh redesign. Is that what we're waiting
on to put the flag pole back up?

2508
03:24:55,680 --> 03:25:02,000
Correct. Just to if if you don't mind,
Commissioner Cunningham, what the

2509
03:24:59,040 --> 03:25:06,399
conceptual plan shows um and if you want
to see the hard copies in my office, but

2510
03:25:03,600 --> 03:25:11,279
I'll email it to you. It shows the
elimination of the fountain and the

2511
03:25:08,479 --> 03:25:17,439
placing of a flag pole in the center of
that circle surrounded by

2512
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:21,600
knee high type,
for lack of a better term, let's call

2513
03:25:18,720 --> 03:25:26,239
them granite stone monuments with each
military crest of the six military

2514
03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:31,520
branches
and bought a brass plate mounted in a

2515
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:36,720
circle around that flag pole. And then
the the understanding was that um so

2516
03:25:35,120 --> 03:25:38,800
yes, that's where the flag pole is
planned to go.

2517
03:25:37,600 --> 03:25:41,760
» Gotcha.
>> If and again that's going to be that's

2518
03:25:40,319 --> 03:25:44,880
the spaghetti at the wall if you want to
have the flag pole relocating somebody

2519
03:25:43,439 --> 03:25:48,319
else. But this is the point of the
discussion.

2520
03:25:46,880 --> 03:25:52,840
» I think that sounds like a pretty good
idea. I'd like to see it whenever

2521
03:25:53,040 --> 03:26:01,120
» uh the beach walk over for the furthest
south walk over that's closed up right

2522
03:25:59,120 --> 03:26:04,560
now because it's missing a step. We just
are we waiting for turtle nesting season

2523
03:26:03,600 --> 03:26:08,000
to get over.
>> Correct. Then the city and Mr. Freeman's

2524
03:26:06,720 --> 03:26:12,479
been more involved with it than I've
been um working with lads construction

2525
03:26:10,640 --> 03:26:17,760
to come up with a new design that
actually and I hope I'm speaking right.

2526
03:26:14,880 --> 03:26:22,160
I think it's more for a parallel to the
dune once you get to the so it doesn't

2527
03:26:20,399 --> 03:26:27,200
go straight toward the water. There's a
90° bend

2528
03:26:24,399 --> 03:26:31,520
but we can't do anything uh until the
end of turtle season. But we are in the

2529
03:26:28,960 --> 03:26:35,600
design process right now. So as soon as
poss as soon as we possibly can we'll

2530
03:26:34,319 --> 03:26:40,880
move forward with that project we'll
bring it to you. What we have done at a

2531
03:26:38,080 --> 03:26:46,080
resident's request is at least open the
walk over enough for people to access

2532
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:50,399
the platform and the seating area so
they can use the first half of the the

2533
03:26:48,479 --> 03:26:54,960
walkway to get to the bench and the
platform but they can't go all the way

2534
03:26:52,399 --> 03:26:58,640
down to the beach. So city staff and I
think it's Mr. Inhoff still here. He had

2535
03:26:56,960 --> 03:27:04,479
some questions about it. I think staff
has addressed some signage issues, some

2536
03:27:01,120 --> 03:27:10,319
vegetation issues uh in that area. Um so
it should be should be cleaner now. Um

2537
03:27:07,760 --> 03:27:12,960
so thanks Mr. Vanhoff for for bringing
that up. But so that's where we stand on

2538
03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:16,880
the southern
>> all the signs say lease dogs.

2539
03:27:14,880 --> 03:27:20,239
» Nope. It's corrected now.
>> I mean all the signs that were all the

2540
03:27:18,960 --> 03:27:26,160
way through town.
>> Yeah. At least the one down at the south

2541
03:27:23,040 --> 03:27:29,279
end has been corrected say leashed
instead of leased.

2542
03:27:30,000 --> 03:27:35,359
it.
But I don't know who's proof reading

2543
03:27:33,600 --> 03:27:39,359
back then, but
>> Yeah.

2544
03:27:37,359 --> 03:27:43,040
» Well, I think Penny, you said you had a
uh

2545
03:27:40,880 --> 03:27:47,760
a design for the beach walkovers when
they were doing all the work down there.

2546
03:27:44,720 --> 03:27:55,359
» I do. when uh the when we did that last
uh big one uh where we replaced uh 40ome

2547
03:27:52,080 --> 03:28:01,600
walkovers, I have the sealed plans that
we own uh for the ones that go straight

2548
03:27:59,439 --> 03:28:05,439
down to the beach and the ones that run
parallel with the dune. So, we have

2549
03:28:04,080 --> 03:28:09,200
those plans.
>> So, I think we were going to try we were

2550
03:28:06,880 --> 03:28:12,239
going to try to find out if it was built
correctly to begin with. So, I think

2551
03:28:11,760 --> 03:28:16,399
» Well,
>> Army Corps did that, didn't they? How's

2552
03:28:14,000 --> 03:28:20,399
that? I didn't
see

2553
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:23,760
an engineer to read plans, but I've seen
enough of the dune stuff to know a

2554
03:28:22,399 --> 03:28:29,040
little bit about it
>> and it just didn't appear to be as beefy

2555
03:28:26,640 --> 03:28:35,040
as what we had built in the past.
However, it wasn't as flimsy as the ones

2556
03:28:32,160 --> 03:28:38,080
FDOT contracted built when they did the
secant wall on the north side because

2557
03:28:36,880 --> 03:28:40,399
those were
>> core did that.

2558
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:45,040
» I'm sorry.
>> Oh, it was F dot. It's core that did it.

2559
03:28:42,479 --> 03:28:49,920
» No, it's F DOT. It's whoever they
contracted with to do it.

2560
03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:54,200
» We had a lot of problems with that.
>> North were bad. Real bad.

2561
03:28:54,319 --> 03:29:02,080
» They they came back and rebuilt them.
Well, we paid they paid us to rebuild

2562
03:28:59,359 --> 03:29:10,200
them.
Uh, last thing. Are we Is the Venice

2563
03:29:05,279 --> 03:29:10,200
Park Swale project complete?

2564
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:24,239
There were some punch list items still
outstanding. Uh some sod still remained.

2565
03:29:22,479 --> 03:29:29,920
Uh couple little things like that they
had to address. Um

2566
03:29:27,520 --> 03:29:33,160
some broken cleanouts. Just a few things
like that.

2567
03:29:34,000 --> 03:29:40,000
» When do you expect that to be bunchless
to be complete?

2568
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:43,279
They said they were going to get to it
by the end of this week. So, we'll see

2569
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:51,120
what they do tomorrow.
>> Okay. It's all I got.

2570
03:29:47,200 --> 03:29:54,720
I don't have anything. So, mayor,
I left you for the absolute last.

2571
03:29:53,200 --> 03:30:00,720
» Thank you.
>> I um do enjoyed the finance committee

2572
03:29:58,080 --> 03:30:04,880
meeting this week. It was um very
informative and I think will provide a

2573
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:13,120
lot of great information and
transparency to not only us but uh

2574
03:30:07,439 --> 03:30:20,080
residents as well. Um I want to
the end of our meeting last our last

2575
03:30:15,359 --> 03:30:27,680
meeting. I went home and I was so
upset at the way city staff had been

2576
03:30:23,600 --> 03:30:32,319
treated and spoken to. Um we're better
than that. It's a bad look for our city

2577
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:37,120
when we're berating city staff from
sitting up here. It angered me in such a

2578
03:30:35,600 --> 03:30:42,000
way
it took me a long time to calm down from

2579
03:30:38,880 --> 03:30:48,560
it. Um I was angry that I did not put a
stop to it at the time it was going on.

2580
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:56,000
So for that I apologize to city staff. I
think as a commission we can do better.

2581
03:30:52,720 --> 03:31:03,760
we can treat our city staff with the
respect that they've earned, that they

2582
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:09,239
deserve from us from up here. Um,
that's it. So, my apologies to staff.

2583
03:31:06,080 --> 03:31:09,239
Thank you.

2584
03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:16,319
» And with that, I'll open this up to
public comments.

2585
03:31:12,960 --> 03:31:20,239
Um, citizens are speak three minutes,
please. And if you could just uh state

2586
03:31:18,160 --> 03:31:25,359
your name and address for the record.
>> Yes. Uh Kevin Sullivan, South Ocean

2587
03:31:22,560 --> 03:31:30,560
Shore Boulevard referring uh I'm on the
personal review board and the comment

2588
03:31:27,760 --> 03:31:35,680
that uh Commissioner Cunningham made
about being biased is a slap in the face

2589
03:31:33,120 --> 03:31:41,520
to our soul volunteers spent 17 hours on
that last case. And uh we don't get

2590
03:31:38,399 --> 03:31:45,040
paid. We we we all come and if that's
how you feel about the volunteers, every

2591
03:31:43,439 --> 03:31:48,640
week we get something from email from
Penny asking for volunteers, but for him

2592
03:31:47,040 --> 03:31:52,880
to on a flippid comment because he
didn't think anybody would call him out

2593
03:31:50,080 --> 03:31:56,080
on it, that was wrong and I'm sorry that
was wrong and I didn't mean to get

2594
03:31:54,720 --> 03:32:00,640
excited a little bit early and I
apologize for that, but that was wrong

2595
03:31:58,239 --> 03:32:05,720
and I'm Thank you.
>> Thank you. Anyone else for public

2596
03:32:02,720 --> 03:32:05,720
comment?

2597
03:32:08,800 --> 03:32:16,399
Mos South Finder. When are we getting
into bike racks? I I've been talking to

2598
03:32:14,239 --> 03:32:20,960
you for months. We're talking about
putting a trail and we can't even put a

2599
03:32:17,840 --> 03:32:23,760
bike rack out there.
>> We address it now.

2600
03:32:21,680 --> 03:32:28,880
» Not yet. After a public comment.
>> All right. Well, I mean, I asked this

2601
03:32:26,560 --> 03:32:33,040
after the meetings not to get a thing
started, but it's been going on too

2602
03:32:30,640 --> 03:32:39,279
long. Getting tired of tying my bike to
a flag pole out there. It's just crazy.

2603
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:45,200
So, we're talking about putting a bike
trail. We don't have any bike racks

2604
03:32:42,080 --> 03:32:49,399
at all. Thanks. All right. Thank you.
Anyone else for public comment?

2605
03:32:50,560 --> 03:32:58,800
Melanie Thompson, John Anderson Highway.
Um,

2606
03:32:56,000 --> 03:33:04,560
my question is the parking in front of
the pier, the sand and the rain that

2607
03:33:01,680 --> 03:33:09,680
there's standing water and I was just
wondering is that going to be addressed

2608
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:14,000
once all the construction's done. I
mean, I see cars parked there and their

2609
03:33:11,600 --> 03:33:17,279
tires are this deep in water. You get
out of your car, you're in water, it

2610
03:33:15,439 --> 03:33:21,120
stands for quite some time. Is that
going to be redesigned some way that

2611
03:33:19,200 --> 03:33:27,439
it's more flat or is that the way it's
going to be for drainage?

2612
03:33:23,279 --> 03:33:34,080
Um, my second comment is is that I've
talked to Mr. Cunningham last week

2613
03:33:30,800 --> 03:33:38,399
addressing the rough streaks on Compass
Hotel and I noticed coming here tonight

2614
03:33:36,560 --> 03:33:43,680
that they have been painted over. So if
you're um involved in getting that

2615
03:33:41,359 --> 03:33:49,279
happened or fixed,
I appreciate that because if it looked

2616
03:33:45,600 --> 03:33:56,640
like it was the rust was degrading or
the ray bar was rusting. So and my last

2617
03:33:53,840 --> 03:34:01,040
comment is your comment about Mr.
Shimento getting together and wanting to

2618
03:33:58,880 --> 03:34:05,520
bring in the second half of Randa Bay
annexed in. That is going to bring in

2619
03:34:03,840 --> 03:34:11,520
that enclave again. That's the whole
reason why they separated to begin with.

2620
03:34:08,640 --> 03:34:16,000
So that just tells me why the stakes are
on John Anderson to continue the

2621
03:34:13,520 --> 03:34:21,600
sidewalk because he assumes or somebody
assumes that that's going to happen. So

2622
03:34:19,680 --> 03:34:25,680
not happy again because here we go. So
it we're going right back to where we

2623
03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:30,319
started before to skate around other
stuff to go back to square one. Thank

2624
03:34:28,880 --> 03:34:35,040
you.
>> Thank you. Anyone else for public

2625
03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:40,160
comment?
>> Mark Hoff Flagler Beach. Um since it was

2626
03:34:37,680 --> 03:34:43,920
brought up um the board the boardwalk
you're talking about it goes over the

2627
03:34:41,359 --> 03:34:48,880
beach is down where I live. Um so now
we're going um and I use that quite a

2628
03:34:46,720 --> 03:34:52,960
bit. Um, I've been going there and
thinking

2629
03:34:50,560 --> 03:34:57,439
I could fix this yesterday. It's so
easy. All All I need is a shovel. But of

2630
03:34:55,840 --> 03:35:02,880
course, if I take all that stuff off of
there and go down there and actually fix

2631
03:34:59,680 --> 03:35:08,080
the thing with a shovel, it's just uh
the basically what's happened is the uh

2632
03:35:05,439 --> 03:35:11,760
the ocean's blown the sand out from the
bottom of the boardwalk. It doesn't need

2633
03:35:09,520 --> 03:35:16,800
a new boardwalk. It doesn't need any
studies. It doesn't need any blah blah

2634
03:35:13,600 --> 03:35:20,560
blah. It's a solid boardwalk that they
they didn't build it lengthy enough.

2635
03:35:18,880 --> 03:35:24,880
They need maybe two more steps down at
the bottom. That's it. I could do it

2636
03:35:22,239 --> 03:35:28,960
tomorrow if you if I have permission. I
can fix even faster with a shovel that

2637
03:35:27,040 --> 03:35:33,040
we just leave at the bottom because what
happens is the sand comes and goes. So,

2638
03:35:31,279 --> 03:35:37,279
right now the sand has been taken out
from the bottom and there's a pretty

2639
03:35:35,120 --> 03:35:42,319
lengthy step down there. But
unfortunately, I can't fix it. I have to

2640
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:47,760
wait for the government to fix it, which
is going to take who knows how long. Um,

2641
03:35:46,000 --> 03:35:53,680
when it's an actually an easy fix that
you could do in house in in no time if

2642
03:35:50,720 --> 03:35:58,479
you know how to build two stairs. Um,
and what's happening is people are now

2643
03:35:55,520 --> 03:36:01,520
piling down the side of that thing. Um,
and you know, you know what happens?

2644
03:36:00,399 --> 03:36:06,160
People are just going to go down the
side. So that's my if you have

2645
03:36:04,560 --> 03:36:13,960
permission, I'll go fix it tomorrow
morning first thing. I got a nice

2646
03:36:09,200 --> 03:36:13,960
shovel. It's ready to go. Thank you.

2647
03:36:14,479 --> 03:36:19,000
Thank you. Anyone else for public
comment?

2648
03:36:19,840 --> 03:36:22,840
All right.

2649
03:36:23,359 --> 03:36:31,680
City manager, bike racks.
>> I believe the CRA has two of them that

2650
03:36:28,160 --> 03:36:39,520
are scheduled for installation
next week. They they've been working

2651
03:36:33,920 --> 03:36:43,760
with the Flagger County Cultural
Commission and one other agency that are

2652
03:36:42,239 --> 03:36:48,960
paying for them. So, they should be
installed shortly. What locations?

2653
03:36:47,520 --> 03:36:55,200
» I believe there's going to be one by the
library and I think one by Veterans

2654
03:36:51,680 --> 03:37:00,479
Park, but I will confirm that to you
tomorrow.

2655
03:36:56,880 --> 03:37:07,840
» Okay. Thank you.
Um, Mr. Thompson brought up the drop off

2656
03:37:04,880 --> 03:37:12,960
where the parking is in front of the
boardwalk

2657
03:37:09,680 --> 03:37:19,439
um where it doesn't have the pavers.
Just as a little background, that's a

2658
03:37:15,040 --> 03:37:25,760
file right away and the city has been
doing patchwork fixes on that as long as

2659
03:37:21,840 --> 03:37:30,880
I've lived here. And
it what is the best I mean we we get the

2660
03:37:28,720 --> 03:37:36,239
best course of action is to put those
pavers down but that's a great cost to

2661
03:37:33,120 --> 03:37:43,760
city and that's also an FTO rightway.
Do you have any type of solution because

2662
03:37:39,760 --> 03:37:48,960
one of the problems is is that that gets
out of control with how bad it is to the

2663
03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:55,680
point of being dangerous. Um what's your
take on that? Um I would agree that the

2664
03:37:52,960 --> 03:38:01,439
best solution is to install the open
cell pavers cost prohibitive. I actually

2665
03:37:59,040 --> 03:38:07,760
when I was meeting with FDOT and I will
work with I don't know if the last

2666
03:38:03,200 --> 03:38:13,200
people are here they left um because
is the city if you want to pursue paid

2667
03:38:10,479 --> 03:38:17,600
parking how can there's a f what are the
rules or regulations for the city

2668
03:38:15,680 --> 03:38:23,439
charging for paid parking and the f
rightway? Um if you move forward with

2669
03:38:21,040 --> 03:38:27,520
paid parking that could be again we've
talked about this in general that some

2670
03:38:25,600 --> 03:38:32,319
of the revenues and to address Miss
Thompson brought it up you know the

2671
03:38:29,760 --> 03:38:37,520
revenues if you go forward with paid
parking can be used to improve our

2672
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:41,520
parking lots the maintenance and the
capacity and things like that. Um, but

2673
03:38:39,920 --> 03:38:46,720
yeah, that's that's part of the
discussion that I at least introduced to

2674
03:38:42,880 --> 03:38:52,399
FDOT today was, hey, I'm gonna have the
Laz since you selected them begin the

2675
03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:58,239
discussion with FDOT as to how does that
work and could we

2676
03:38:55,359 --> 03:39:01,920
could without knowing what FDOT's going
to say about paid parking, the FDOT

2677
03:38:59,920 --> 03:39:05,600
rightaway, but if we if we make it a
quid proquo, saying, "Listen, FOT, you

2678
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:10,080
let us use that for paid parking, we
will improve the rightway, which will

2679
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:13,920
help A1A a and the parking and things
like that. So that yeah, the best

2680
03:39:12,160 --> 03:39:18,720
solution is put the open cell pavers
there, but you're saying putting those

2681
03:39:15,920 --> 03:39:24,640
in our unimproved parking lots, as you
said, that's $300,000 and we're talking

2682
03:39:21,680 --> 03:39:29,279
several city blocks um to go forward
with that. I I agree wholeheartedly. I

2683
03:39:26,560 --> 03:39:33,520
see it every day after not even just a
heavy rain, after any rain. There's

2684
03:39:31,439 --> 03:39:38,080
puddles that the drop off from the
pavement into the sand. Yeah, I wouldn't

2685
03:39:35,760 --> 03:39:41,200
take my car over those. I'd need a truck
the size of Commissioner Cunninghams to

2686
03:39:39,920 --> 03:39:43,680
go down that cuz I don't want to scrape
the bottom of my car. Yeah, it's

2687
03:39:42,640 --> 03:39:48,319
something that needs to be addressed.
But like you said, it's F DOT right

2688
03:39:45,760 --> 03:39:52,239
away. So, we'll have to work with FOT to
figure out what our options are. I know

2689
03:39:50,560 --> 03:40:00,239
as a
temporary thing, um this is back when

2690
03:39:55,279 --> 03:40:05,279
Allan was around. He got a bunch of that
sand that's in the parking lot, whatever

2691
03:40:02,160 --> 03:40:08,960
that particular sand is, dumped a ton of
it all along there, and just pushed it

2692
03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:13,840
around with a Bobcat, you know, and
smooshed it down. And that helped quite

2693
03:40:10,800 --> 03:40:20,160
a bit. Short-term solution, not the best
thing in the world, but it it worked for

2694
03:40:16,960 --> 03:40:24,479
a while. Um, quick and easy, but yeah,
those open cell pavers, they have a

2695
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:27,920
proven track record. They've been out in
front of uh Funky for a long time and

2696
03:40:26,319 --> 03:40:31,600
they haven't budged. They've held up
great. Mr. Sherman,

2697
03:40:29,359 --> 03:40:34,720
» yeah, as um you know, you mentioned F.
My ears kind of perked up again. Um I

2698
03:40:33,439 --> 03:40:39,439
meant to mention in my comments, there
wasn't a TPO meeting this past month,

2699
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:43,120
but there will be one in October. Um I
can bring that to the TPO at our next

2700
03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:47,920
meeting as a you know, when we have
comment. I don't know, um if what

2701
03:40:45,920 --> 03:40:52,399
leverage maybe uh Commissioner Santo
might have with Friends of A1A as well.

2702
03:40:49,680 --> 03:40:55,520
I know there's FDOT representation there
as well. and you it's that's a little

2703
03:40:54,080 --> 03:41:00,239
bit more of an intimate setting there
that you know I'm competing with all of

2704
03:40:58,160 --> 03:41:05,279
district 5 in that room and we're a
really small fish in the sea there but

2705
03:41:02,800 --> 03:41:09,920
um I can also um I have a pretty good re
working relationship with uh Colleen um

2706
03:41:07,760 --> 03:41:15,040
who oversees the uh I know you do as
well. I can always put an email out

2707
03:41:12,000 --> 03:41:18,319
there uh to her as well and um you know
have that as you know CC Penney and that

2708
03:41:16,960 --> 03:41:22,960
so she can distribute that out to the
rest of the um the board. But if you

2709
03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:26,640
guys want me to, I can definitely pursue
um maybe try to get that on their radar

2710
03:41:24,640 --> 03:41:29,920
that way as well in that capacity. If
you guys want me to do that, I'll gladly

2711
03:41:28,160 --> 03:41:33,279
do that.
>> With the contractor doing the North

2712
03:41:31,359 --> 03:41:39,520
Fourth Street lot now, we might be able
to get a an estimate just a ballpark for

2713
03:41:36,479 --> 03:41:42,880
okay, what's per 100 feet or give me an
estimate from third to fourth street,

2714
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:46,000
fourth to fifth street, just so we have
some idea of what numbers we're talking

2715
03:41:44,399 --> 03:41:49,680
about. That contractor is already on
site. We have a good relationship with

2716
03:41:47,359 --> 03:41:57,120
that contractor, DDS. Um, so we should
be able to get some rough numbers.

2717
03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:59,279
» Y'all want Commissioner Sherman talk to
>> good with that? Okay.

2718
03:41:58,160 --> 03:42:06,560
» All right. I'll get an email out
tomorrow and I'll CC penning that.

2719
03:42:02,800 --> 03:42:13,359
» Okay. Um, next thing was Well, I can
tell you uh, Mr. Ramov, the the city

2720
03:42:10,640 --> 03:42:20,080
won't give you official permission. Um
but uh one of my concerns is folks going

2721
03:42:18,000 --> 03:42:24,319
down the side of that um there's
supposed to be a physical barrier there.

2722
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:32,560
The fencing and all um probably needs
looked at to protect the dune. Um I do

2723
03:42:29,439 --> 03:42:37,040
know that there are some some blocks um
North 17th uh comes to front of mind

2724
03:42:35,200 --> 03:42:42,000
that
you know citizens uh take care of the

2725
03:42:38,960 --> 03:42:46,880
walkovers like North 17th has 17 street
crews. They even had a little placard on

2726
03:42:44,399 --> 03:42:51,520
the somewhere on the hurricane blew it
off but they they just go out there and

2727
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:57,040
take care of things and
you know

2728
03:42:53,439 --> 03:43:02,640
they just get it done. Um, but we I know
the city would not officially be able to

2729
03:42:59,840 --> 03:43:07,040
give you that permission, but I would uh
probably say give a 17th Street crew and

2730
03:43:05,760 --> 03:43:11,120
you know, take a look at what they're
doing because they do a lot of cool

2731
03:43:08,239 --> 03:43:14,399
things uh as far as maintaining their
used to live on 17th North. You know

2732
03:43:12,720 --> 03:43:19,439
what I'm talking about. I guess my only
concern would be sure you could have

2733
03:43:17,199 --> 03:43:23,199
volunteers do that but at the end of the
day the city ultimately has the

2734
03:43:20,880 --> 03:43:29,399
liability right of any incidents that
happen there due to volunteer efforts.

2735
03:43:25,520 --> 03:43:29,399
» Yeah. and

2736
03:43:34,160 --> 03:43:42,640
» which is why we can't okay it as a city
but um I I am concerned about what he

2737
03:43:40,239 --> 03:43:45,439
said about you know folks uh tracking
down dunes

2738
03:43:43,359 --> 03:43:48,640
» take a look at it sand fencing we can
tie it in

2739
03:43:46,640 --> 03:43:51,640
» all right any other comments on public
comment

2740
03:43:54,800 --> 03:43:59,840
» all right and no comments Let's look for
a motion to adjurnn.

2741
03:43:58,800 --> 03:44:03,800
» Motion to adjurnn.
>> All right, we're Thank you.