1 00:11:40,990 --> 00:11:49,710 Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the Flyer County Board of County Commissioner Special Meeting. Today's September 4th. It is 9.11 a.m. if you'll please stand for our pledge. 2 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:05,150 Thank 3 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:14,670 you. Now we'd like to take a moment of silence to reflect and pray for those men and women serving us here in a broad. 4 00:12:26,030 --> 00:12:36,390 Thank you, everybody. Yesterday we interviewed three finalists for our county administrator role. 5 00:12:36,850 --> 00:12:42,170 They were presented their onboarding plans and a leadership approach to follow up questions from this board. 6 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:46,730 As noted all candidates have already completed their public interviews with the board. 7 00:12:47,070 --> 00:12:53,030 So today's meeting solely focused on our board deliberation and a possible selection of a county administrator. 8 00:12:54,170 --> 00:13:02,030 Today, we'll proceed this morning. We'll begin with any brief and final comments. Reflections or thoughts from our commissioners regarding the three finalists. 9 00:13:03,070 --> 00:13:10,990 And once we've all had an opportunity to speak, we'll move on to public comment and then our voting portion of this. 10 00:13:11,670 --> 00:13:20,990 So, and so with that, I'll go ahead and open it up to our board. If anybody would like to have some discussion on the finalists and comments, reflections. 11 00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:28,090 We will at some point take a vote if necessary, but I want to go ahead and start with just comments. 12 00:13:29,070 --> 00:13:30,110 I open it up. 13 00:13:30,270 --> 00:13:30,430 Sure. 14 00:13:30,530 --> 00:13:32,350 Thank you. 15 00:13:32,510 --> 00:13:33,950 First and foremost, right? 16 00:13:33,950 --> 00:13:45,290 Thank the applicants one for wanting to the job that they do, which is a hard job. 17 00:13:47,940 --> 00:14:00,240 And it is sometimes thankless, but I think with the right support, you know, everybody can be successful in what we do. 18 00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:10,360 We just need to, you know, the conclusion to this is hopefully all of us get behind and support the choice. 19 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:25,380 I did feel bad a little bit for Mr. Read. He had a meeting the night before, so he had to go through his commission meeting before coming to do our interviews and it was. 20 00:14:25,380 --> 00:14:32,620 He was a little bit by the end of the day. He was a little tired, but he did well throughout the day. 21 00:14:32,620 --> 00:14:35,000 And he said he didn't end into like 4 A.M. 22 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:42,980 One of thanks staff, everybody with the three applicants were extremely complimentary of the 23 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:48,660 human resources department and the treatment that they received throughout the process. 24 00:14:48,700 --> 00:14:56,080 I even Mr. Boat Wright who took another job was very complimentary of the process and made it 25 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,740 known that he enjoyed the process while he was in it. 26 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:18,700 I did want to bring one other piece of information, right? I think I was wanted to be transparent to the process of the information that I found out I shared with you about Mr. Van Kleek and his emergency management, how he got to be emergency management director. 27 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,140 And last night, I had an unsolicited phone call 28 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,780 from Volusia County's former sheriff in Johnson. 29 00:15:27,340 --> 00:15:30,880 So the sheriff reached out to me and wanted to let me know 30 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,920 that he thought very highly of Mr. Van Kleeak, 31 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:38,080 the working experience that he had with him, 32 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,520 that he was in his words a good man, 33 00:15:40,780 --> 00:15:42,640 and he was ready for the role. 34 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,340 So I just wanted to make sure that we were all 35 00:15:46,340 --> 00:15:52,540 privy to that conversation. He said I could release it publicly, said Aaron had no idea that he was 36 00:15:52,940 --> 00:16:01,640 calling on his behalf. But with that I just, that's, that's it. Again, I just want to thank the candidates 37 00:16:02,540 --> 00:16:07,340 and the rest of the staff for helping us get through this process. So. 38 00:16:08,100 --> 00:16:16,260 Thank you, sir. Miss Carney, the only just comments and I'll just, I'll just speak to the 39 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:26,840 process. I wanted a professional firm and I know they go anywhere from 30 to probably 40 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:39,460 $50,000. The board didn't want to go that route. I do believe that we got a fair number 41 00:16:39,460 --> 00:16:48,140 qualified applicants. I do believe that FAC narrowing down. It's funny that we chose two 42 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:54,920 people that never made it to their shortlist, but that's our, that's what we're here for, right? 43 00:16:55,140 --> 00:17:06,630 I mean, we can all envision and see what we want after speaking with the three candidates 44 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:16,290 who have been through the process both both through a professional search firm and the way 45 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:22,750 we did it. They felt that they were well taken care of. They felt that the process was fair. 46 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:29,490 They felt that it was more timely than going through a recruiter which can take a lot longer. 47 00:17:29,490 --> 00:17:35,190 So I'm settled with how we did everything, 48 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:45,030 I do have a preferred candidate, but I'm going to, I'm going to go along with the board. 49 00:17:45,870 --> 00:17:57,270 So I do believe we need a 5-0 decision on this, I don't think it's fair to split, we can't split and conquer, we have to agree and move forward. 50 00:17:57,270 --> 00:18:10,410 I will say for the record that if we don't feel in our hearts that we have the right person, I am not obligated in any way to move forward for the sake of moving forward. 51 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:18,250 I know that Adam is tired. I can see it in his face. He has persevered through hell. 52 00:18:18,250 --> 00:18:25,270 amazing man. So I want to say thank you for that. Thank you to John. John has been there by 53 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:34,970 his side the entire time. This process is ugly, I know, but I'm not adverse to continuing 54 00:18:34,970 --> 00:18:40,550 if we can't come to consensus. Thank you. Mr. Anthony. 55 00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:45,610 Just a comment on the process. I've 56 00:18:45,610 --> 00:18:50,490 And through this a few times, three or four. 57 00:18:51,570 --> 00:18:58,250 And I really credit to our HR department, and I thought this was really well run. 58 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:08,350 Kept us informed on what we had to do, and made it pretty simple for us, for the five 59 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:11,290 of us, to do this. 60 00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:19,670 So Charlie and his team did it. I think did a great job. So I'm very very very happy with that 61 00:19:19,670 --> 00:19:25,370 That's Richard's in the last before the final. Okay, that's her last 62 00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:29,390 Kim your sentiments are very similar to mine 63 00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:38,410 I agree if we don't all feel a hundred percent sure we've waited this long we've worked this through 64 00:19:39,670 --> 00:19:48,190 Again, Adam, one of the most amazing people I've ever known, all the candidates were kind, 65 00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:51,830 they were so kind to each other. 66 00:19:52,410 --> 00:19:58,610 I was able to greet them the minute they put that I got here and I think they were all 67 00:19:58,610 --> 00:20:00,990 professionals in their own fields. 68 00:20:01,510 --> 00:20:07,730 My biggest concern is the strength of what we need to get through whatever is going to happen 69 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:08,270 next, 70 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:14,860 whatever happens during the election, we're going to have another person here that's 71 00:20:14,860 --> 00:20:17,600 going to have their own mindset as well. 72 00:20:18,180 --> 00:20:20,500 The timing is a little bit off for me. 73 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,600 I like them all, but do I have one in particular? 74 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:27,100 Not necessarily. 75 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,000 They all had strengths, and they all had weaknesses. 76 00:20:31,060 --> 00:20:34,760 I think we need to keep a strong leadership here. 77 00:20:35,780 --> 00:20:40,100 We have staff, we have our new attorneys working well. 78 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,220 We're flowing, we're not falling apart because of this. 79 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,500 We're just getting stronger. 80 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:50,320 So I just don't know that we got the right one yet, 81 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,340 and I'll wait to see how everybody feels, 82 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,140 because we all get a preference at some point, 83 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:58,300 but I want somebody who's going to be able to really take the leadership out. 84 00:20:58,900 --> 00:21:01,640 Because right now we've got two guys doing one job. 85 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,040 And I thank you for that because you really are doing great and I'll leave it at that. 86 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:08,820 Thank you, ma'am. 87 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,180 I will say, you know, I'm open to, I think all the comments are valid. 88 00:21:15,140 --> 00:21:21,920 You know, we've come a long way and we've been taking our time and working through this. 89 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,040 There were a lot of applicants. 90 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,400 Is the perfect applicant here in this group? 91 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,420 I'm not sure, and so I'm happy to entertain, 92 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,020 you know, a motion or discussion about 93 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:43,380 an applicant from this group, but if we aren't able to decide immediately, I would say 94 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:50,340 that doesn't make us indecisive, it makes us pragmatic on this one, so I think, you know, 95 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:58,480 it's an important, this is an incredibly important role, particularly for what we're 96 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:06,100 getting ready to go through as a government. So with that, you know, I'm open to executive 97 00:22:06,100 --> 00:22:11,460 searches and I'm open to having a discussion about one of these candidates. So with that, 98 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:18,220 I'll, um, they've asked that we ask each commissioner if they would like to state who their 99 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:21,720 choice would be for a county administrator at this time. 100 00:22:24,020 --> 00:22:25,920 Is there any particular one you would 101 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,980 and you're down for discussion, or that's what's on my list, so... 102 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,460 We don't have to do it that way, but that's what they placed in here. 103 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:42,180 Well, that's fine. I mean, I've gone through this. In my head, again, I'd, you know, want to thank 104 00:22:42,180 --> 00:22:50,120 well, three of them again. I didn't mention Ms. Miller earlier, but I was very impressed with her approach 105 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:56,080 through being able to set up a system that was built for success. 106 00:22:58,140 --> 00:23:03,780 Mr. Reed is the, in my mind, the, the ready candidate. 107 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:07,020 Do the his experience in different things. 108 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:09,820 Mr. Van Cleak brings a different set of strengths. 109 00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:18,560 And I think the, the energy that he presented and showed in his approach 110 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:28,820 and his confidence, and what he's done, you know, in Valusia, the example of taking over 111 00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:37,560 a 500 person department without any prior experience before and running that successfully. 112 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:46,910 And I think even last night with the call from a prior constitutional officer, a lot of the questions 113 00:23:46,910 --> 00:23:56,490 did a Mr. Van Kleek not having a prior head position and, you know, can he deal with 114 00:23:57,270 --> 00:24:07,470 constitutionals? Can he manage five bosses? A lot of those were kind of answered in the 115 00:24:07,470 --> 00:24:16,550 discussions that I revealed. So if I was to move anything, I would like to discuss 116 00:24:16,550 --> 00:24:20,270 Mr. Van Kleeak as the administrator. 117 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:36,420 So I'm looking for a agent for change and my selection is Tracy Miller. 118 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,920 Mr. Hansen. 119 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:48,140 Yeah, for all the reasons that have been stated about Mr. Van Kleeak. 120 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:53,700 I think that he's the right guy for this amendment three issue. 121 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:59,580 because of his leadership abilities and how he handles himself. 122 00:25:00,180 --> 00:25:05,160 So I would move to, given that when it's time, 123 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720 I would move to select Mr. Vankley. 124 00:25:08,580 --> 00:25:09,200 Mr. Richardson? 125 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,260 I think they all had different values and qualities. 126 00:25:17,780 --> 00:25:21,860 All wonderful candidates, but I don't feel that any of them fit. 127 00:25:21,860 --> 00:25:29,460 are needs at this time. One thing sounded great, then it fell short on the other side. One 128 00:25:29,460 --> 00:25:34,400 another one. They all were great people. I said if I could put all three of them into one 129 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:41,120 person, man, would we have the best, you know, administrative ever. But at this point, I don't 130 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,540 think there's a choice for me to make there. I was leaning toward Mr. Reed for his experience, 131 00:25:46,540 --> 00:25:55,970 but it was just wasn't the strength I wanted to see, I want leadership to be strong, and I 132 00:25:55,970 --> 00:26:00,990 and I need that in order to feel that we're doing the best we can do for our residents and 133 00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:07,150 our community and I'd rather hold on to what we have now than make an era and have to 134 00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:15,310 suffer the consequences later. I was able to come with that idea in my mind immediately once they 135 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:20,230 to the dias and present it what they knew. And these are all lovely people, but I just didn't 136 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:25,970 feel that any of them were going to be. Having the leadership qualities I'm looking for, 137 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:30,330 and I'm looking for a strong leader. I'll just leave it at that. That's the only way I feel. 138 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:34,220 So thank you, Mr. Richardson. 139 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,920 So out of the three, and I know that I was the one who brought 140 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:48,860 Mr. Grant Cleaks resume to the front because I did see, you know, was interested in how he 141 00:26:48,860 --> 00:26:52,160 worked from the bottom to the top and all the various departments he worked at. 142 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:57,740 I am a little leery given the forms that we were provided for references. 143 00:26:58,100 --> 00:27:03,940 They both, they all seem to mimic the same weakness, which is aggressiveness and intense 144 00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:10,920 intensity and debate, so that makes me somewhat hesitant, because I'm not sure that we need 145 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:18,180 aggressive with us, obviously, and with staff, and intense, and convicted about their beliefs, 146 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:25,180 they said, and that might be difficult to work with. So I'm not opposed to hearing more debate 147 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:33,900 to try to get a group consensus on him, or not opposed really to continuing to move 148 00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:41,240 with a search. I did not think that Miss Miller had enough. I liked her. I really thought she'd be 149 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:47,560 good for strategic planning. She seems like an excellent consultant but I'm not sure that she would 150 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:58,520 had the depth with actual county work in budget to continue. Mr. Reed was a very nice person again 151 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:06,820 small town, small town, small, you know, and I don't think that's right either, that kind 152 00:28:06,820 --> 00:28:12,560 of reminded me a little bit of what Palm Coast is going through with their pick, and I just 153 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:19,940 wasn't comfortable with that. So those two, I can't really get on board with. I can see the attraction 154 00:28:19,940 --> 00:28:28,860 about Mr. Vancouver. He seems like a real go-getter, but I'm a little worried and so I'm open 155 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:35,040 to hearing more discussion for him, but I'm also open to continuing a search. So that is where 156 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,140 I'm at. And I know that Ms. Carney said that she 157 00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:45,490 did not want to, you don't want to, you have your 158 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:51,150 pick. So I understand that. So I don't know Mr. Dance if there's any other information. I did not 159 00:28:51,150 --> 00:28:55,250 here for anybody, our staff has indicated 160 00:28:55,250 --> 00:28:59,310 that they really liked Mr. Rand Creek as well, 161 00:28:59,790 --> 00:29:01,230 just because it's always nice to have 162 00:29:01,230 --> 00:29:05,150 somebody that has a good breadth of understanding 163 00:29:05,150 --> 00:29:08,370 for government, and obviously is nearby. 164 00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:11,670 But just a little bit of hesitant 165 00:29:11,670 --> 00:29:15,290 based on some of the comments in the references. 166 00:29:16,650 --> 00:29:19,150 So that's where I'm at, that, and you know, 167 00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:30,090 Is that the right that so I'm open hearing more about that and I think that's what we have to do because it doesn't look like we have 100% on board right now. 168 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:36,070 So if there's any argument to be made of what you felt would be a good fit here. 169 00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:37,250 Well I hear it. 170 00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:42,270 If we're going to pause here, I'd like to know what. 171 00:29:42,270 --> 00:29:44,430 And we need to give direction, 172 00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:51,650 I did ask the candidates about the search. 173 00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:59,150 I feel that if you have a willing able body that's in a profession, 174 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,360 Like, I didn't demonstrate her, making $200,000 a year. 175 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,480 Did we do anything? Can we do anything different that we 176 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:17,620 haven't already done? And the answer is going to be, I believe, a professional search team. And 177 00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:24,400 I'm not so sure that it's not going to be the same pool of people that already went through the 178 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:32,220 process that we just went through. So I would need to know what exactly did we miss on 179 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:33,620 getting the right candidate. 180 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:44,620 We let FAC narrow down 91 people, 98 people, 81, oh, 81, sorry, 81 people. 181 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:56,160 30, 30 qualified and they narrow down the 30. I'm sorry to 12 or 10, whatever. And then we came together 182 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:02,800 And we were able to come to consensus on three, four, and then somebody got a job. 183 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:14,820 I just don't know what waiting and are we waiting for Commissioner Hanson's seat to be 184 00:31:14,820 --> 00:31:20,540 turned over because I'm not, I don't think that Palm Coast had any better of a successful 185 00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:21,860 search than we had. 186 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:29,960 that is not my point okay that's not so how are we going to get I would like to hear from Charlie or Adam 187 00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:37,980 how are we going to get a different pool if we just went through 30 how do we get a different pool of 188 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:45,560 people do we knock on doors do we send letters requesting people to come here we have a pretty 189 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:52,140 nice package. I hope everyone on this board believes that we have a very attractive 190 00:31:52,140 --> 00:32:00,060 package. That's what we need the best. Well, how do you get the best PAM? I mean, we're both 191 00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:05,260 realtors. Everyone says that we want the best. We want the best. So they look us 192 00:32:05,260 --> 00:32:11,080 up on the internet. They see how many houses we sold last year and they call us 193 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,940 interview us, right? So, how do we know, how do we know who is the best, Pam? How do we know 194 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:22,960 who is the best? By seeing more than three candidates and saying, okay, this is all we got. 195 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:30,280 We didn't, but, but, but, it's all 30. We didn't see 30. We saw three. Well, no, Pam. We saw 196 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:37,120 10. We had that original interview. I know. And the numbers were not all agreeable. And 197 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,200 every week, everybody voted for boat, right? 198 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,860 Yeah, everyone vote, right? 199 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,740 Not everybody, it was still four. 200 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,280 I think it would have been a different choice 201 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,140 if we had had five that day. 202 00:32:47,220 --> 00:32:47,440 Correct. 203 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,100 And it would have been a different discussion, 204 00:32:49,260 --> 00:32:50,240 but we had four. 205 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,240 Okay, we had four, we had four. 206 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,040 And so he went and three people 207 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,320 that we were looking at, all got the jobs, right? 208 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,740 The first three, right? 209 00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:04,900 It was three others. 210 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:13,400 So there was six, so little by little, we took our time long enough to make sure that it was found to be the professional firm as well. 211 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:24,420 And if we think any differently, then we're got our heads in the sand, because a professional firm will take longer than what we just went through, because what we went through was pretty long. 212 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,500 I'm not going to say that. 213 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:30,960 So I guess I just need to know who is the perfect candidate. 214 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:38,660 so do you want somebody from Orange County? Do you want us to? How do we pick up the best NFL 215 00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:49,960 player when we're not defined? We have a job description. We've got to take some kind of action 216 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:57,520 in order to get a looksy. We can't figure out who the right person is in three hours of sitting 217 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:07,260 I'm talking to them. I just, you got to, you just got to, you got to set realistic expectations. 218 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:10,920 I'm sure. 219 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:16,320 You know, let me, a couple things that I heard as we went down the dice. 220 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,120 You talked a little bit about temperament. 221 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:29,580 So what I think we saw in Mr. Van Kleek is, at least in my interview, he talked about his leadership style. 222 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:32,780 and being a coach coaching youth and others. 223 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:38,960 I think what you see is that enthusiasm from a coaching standpoint, 224 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,160 and the references I coach people up, right? 225 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:48,920 So I think that intensity is probably part of his personality 226 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,040 and has led him to the successful point where he is. 227 00:34:54,040 --> 00:35:02,320 So I, you know, even an analogy that I've used in this process is, right, it's no different 228 00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:08,280 than, and I'll use the sports analogy, a universally looking for a new coach. 229 00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:18,680 You can look at the existing pool of coaches that have been around for a while, I'll use 230 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,240 the leaders as an example. 231 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:26,500 So you take and you look at successful lower division coaches and can they make the step 232 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,180 and sometimes you hit the home run, sometimes you don't, but you know, the gators went down 233 00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:38,220 to a lower division and brought in urban mire and got them a national championship. 234 00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:44,000 They also went down and got Billy Napier and had mediocrity. 235 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:54,320 But I see traits in Mr. Van Kleeak that we have, I feel, the opportunity to go down into 236 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,900 that lower division of somebody who has proven themselves, but not at the upper level and 237 00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:08,280 provide that opportunity for them to be able to shine and implement their system. 238 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:16,740 I'm was equally impressed by how he approached the position where he didn't have the experience. 239 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,220 And I think he'll bring that back to the administration level. 240 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,820 So when he went to emergency management, he rode with EMS. 241 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:33,460 He spent a shift with the fire guys and learned those positions and that department from the ground up. 242 00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:44,800 And that will translate, I think, to administration and take that same approach to one, and also the relationship with the five bosses. 243 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:51,780 I mean, he's not unfamiliar with that. He had to deal with commissioners, but not as bosses. 244 00:36:51,780 --> 00:37:03,400 But, I see, I think there's opportunities to be able to, 245 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,320 the also thing is longevity, I think, because he's from 246 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,840 Balucia, he understands he's got to move, but he also has family 247 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,140 and roots in Balucia, and I think there's long-term stability in that, 248 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:22,580 which is really critical in our success as stability. 249 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,440 The process we're going through is not healthy. 250 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:29,920 Three, three year change. 251 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:44,060 The school district has done that. They haven't been able to keep an executive for more than three years, and it hurts momentum. So I also feel that local roots will provide stability. 252 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,900 and the opportunity for long-term stability. 253 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,880 Madam Chair, if I may. 254 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,600 Yes, sir. 255 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:53,780 When I was interviewing the three candidates, 256 00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,520 I was in my mind thinking about the memory three 257 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,440 and thinking about what we just went through 258 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,440 with a 5% cut. 259 00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:06,800 And I kind of in my mind, I was wondering, 260 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,500 how would they handle that? 261 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,380 How would each of those three handle it? 262 00:38:10,380 --> 00:38:31,260 And so I kind of directed my last comment myself question was leadership style, and I didn't get a good feeling from two of the candidates that they could handle that, which is going to be could be tough, real tough. 263 00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:37,820 And Mr. Van Cleve came of the three, he came across as the guy 264 00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:42,770 who could handle that. 265 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:53,730 Because it's going to be tough, and his leadership style lends itself to getting through this with the staff intact. 266 00:38:53,730 --> 00:39:04,670 It really does, as Andy pointed out, is coaching style, and I really appreciate that. 267 00:39:04,850 --> 00:39:14,450 Having been leaders of men for a long time, I appreciated his approach. 268 00:39:15,370 --> 00:39:17,030 And I think he'll work. 269 00:39:17,350 --> 00:39:23,630 I really think he's the right guy, and I think he'll be able to handle what's coming. 270 00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:32,230 So, I certainly would like to at least deliver a vote of a majority consensus. 271 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:38,510 Is this something that I know Ms. Carney and Ms. Richardson and myself? 272 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:44,590 Is this something that if we had more time with Mr. Vankley, a second round of interview, 273 00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:49,730 just with him, would that be something that you, you feel like you could need, or you would 274 00:39:49,730 --> 00:39:58,590 an entertain to have a comfort level there or so you can go further and interviewing or the 275 00:39:58,590 --> 00:40:04,850 sport makes a decision or are you comfortable with arguments that were made and is there 276 00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:08,210 anything there for you to think about or consider? 277 00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:10,150 I'll start. 278 00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:14,730 I think Mr. Van Cleat was a dynamo. 279 00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:25,090 He's a dynamo. He's very impressive. He's dressed sharp. He was very, very jovial, very pleasant, 280 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:37,600 very guy. My question is, is it the right guy? Because there's a complex board up here, and we have 281 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:46,440 complex and different types of, it's not a simple little small city that everybody's all together. 282 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:53,560 We've got diversity, has he been rural, has he been, has he been ocean-front? 283 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,480 Just because he's in pollution doesn't mean he's worked on those issues, does he have 284 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,760 a full understanding of what this job has he been prepped for this job? 285 00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:09,180 This is my concern and are we going to be the preppers and then who's he going to follow? 286 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:10,680 And how's that going to work? 287 00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:14,740 That's where my concern is, where is he going to get educated on that job? 288 00:41:14,740 --> 00:41:20,280 What? I don't doubt that he's not educated on the job given his tenure in 289 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,280 Felicia County nor do I doubt that he's not work both rural and beach. 290 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,880 That's a, that's a, that's a given with Felicia County. 291 00:41:28,020 --> 00:41:29,700 Did you, did you have enough of it? 292 00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:31,040 But I discussed it with him. 293 00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:31,820 I did not. 294 00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:32,340 Okay. 295 00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,680 Limited did the three questions really in the timeframe. 296 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,680 Twenty minutes did not give a, 297 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,640 a good breath to get through it all. 298 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:43,300 Is there any, 299 00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:54,360 I hate to, before we go out and hear from the public, is there Ms. Carney, you said Ms. Miller, 300 00:41:54,420 --> 00:41:58,500 but there's just not seem to be an interest to follow through with Ms. Miller, and I believe 301 00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:04,300 we can say, if we say that Mr. Reed is probably not in the running here, so I think there's 302 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:09,440 I'm being a click, I'd love to see either consensus for Hammer, consensus. 303 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,220 My concern is a continuation of Volusia County. 304 00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:15,120 Let's face it. 305 00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:17,180 Flegal County was once Volusia County. 306 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:25,220 100 years ago, we split from Volusia County and St. John's split right down the middle, 307 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:25,780 exactly. 308 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:28,760 so 309 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,780 I like his approach. 310 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,620 He takes on a challenge. There's no doubt he takes on a challenge. 311 00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:50,450 I guess I didn't talk so much to him about money or finances. 312 00:42:52,230 --> 00:43:00,770 Mr. Reed had, in my opinion, the most strong, the strongest finance background. 313 00:43:03,290 --> 00:43:05,330 I just don't want, I don't know. 314 00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:07,690 I just don't want an extension of pollution. 315 00:43:08,330 --> 00:43:10,450 Every reference comes from a pollution county. 316 00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:18,730 I would almost guarantee that we should be prepared that his deputy would come from flight from a pollution county. 317 00:43:18,730 --> 00:43:24,170 I know that we have interlocal agreements with 318 00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:26,830 Valucia County on fire, safety. 319 00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:30,010 We work very, the sheriff's department. 320 00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:34,090 I just see this as an extension of Valucia County. 321 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:38,390 I hate to say this, but I just see it as an extension 322 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:39,490 of Valucia County. 323 00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:44,270 Would I love for somebody to bring him in as our deputy? 324 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:45,270 Yes. 325 00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:49,290 I'm just not so sure we're ready for that step. 326 00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:51,910 We all know it. 327 00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:55,150 The administrator is the head of the departments. 328 00:43:55,390 --> 00:44:00,130 The department heads are the people on the ground. 329 00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:04,310 He doesn't manage our 500 people. 330 00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:12,390 He manages probably, I don't know, a half a dozen, a dozen people who then manage 500 people. 331 00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:22,200 So, I guess if I could see the vision or to see how I just see us becoming 332 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,980 Volusia County and I'm sorry. 333 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,940 I did not see a lot of economic development there. 334 00:44:29,180 --> 00:44:33,180 I did not see, I just didn't see it. 335 00:44:35,420 --> 00:44:40,920 So, unless I get more time with Mr. Van Klee, I'm not going to be in consensus on this. 336 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,880 I'm sorry guys. 337 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:48,120 I just see a FO of the Lusha County road to us and said I became the CFO of Lusha County, November 338 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:54,500 2019. I hired Anna Annan Erin as my management and budget director in October of 2020. 339 00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:59,900 Unless in two years I advocated and secured Erin's promotion to Deputy Department Director of 340 00:44:59,900 --> 00:44:59,980 Budget. 341 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,260 Due to his exceptional work product and ability, he excels an analytical analysis and communication. 342 00:45:06,820 --> 00:45:17,020 So, he does, he was with them as a budget director. I sense from this that we don't, we like him, but we don't know enough and we haven't spent enough time. 343 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:29,980 And I'm wondering if the best thing to do and the fairest thing to do would be to spend some more time with him, possibly, and come back and reconvene on this. 344 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,240 Mr. DeHath? 345 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:33,780 Mr. DeHath? 346 00:45:35,020 --> 00:45:36,280 It's unconventional. 347 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:42,380 I don't know, but I don't disagree that that might be the best path. 348 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,780 I mean, he's not actively, he's not one of the ones actively searching. 349 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:53,640 You know, because he's a neighbor and is looking at a, you know, 350 00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,880 his career path is administrator. 351 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,860 I mean, he wants to be an administrator 352 00:45:58,860 --> 00:46:06,360 that's what he's worked all this time for, um, and instead of doing another open search, I would 353 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:15,580 rather spend time with building a consensus if it comes to that. And an opportunity for him to 354 00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:21,480 build the consensus would be an answer to some of these questions would be worthwhile time as opposed 355 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,560 to opening it back up again. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not adverse to doing that. I would focus in more 356 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,160 on what his answers are. 357 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,680 And I think we went on one time. 358 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:36,520 We would then submit concerns so that he has time to address those or 359 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,280 give him an opportunity. 360 00:46:38,340 --> 00:46:44,540 So there were some very valid concerns raised that we may not have had time to hit in a 361 00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:45,600 third minute interview. 362 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:55,800 And I'll take Commissioner Carney's point, he was in charge of one of the largest 363 00:46:55,800 --> 00:47:02,940 departments. He wasn't running Volusia County. I think it's unfair to call him an extension of Volusia 364 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:09,900 County. He's not had that opportunity to be able to shape the top level of Volusia County. 365 00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:14,980 But it's, um, so I don't know that I would go that far. 366 00:47:15,060 --> 00:47:23,700 In addition, he's trying to up his, his, that basis, he's willing to fight and win and learn. 367 00:47:23,700 --> 00:47:52,940 Right. And Volusia County is much, I mean, it's a huge county, and so he's been exposed to a lot of things that we haven't maybe, you know, because we were growing, but we're by no means clean up. And Volusia County is extremely diverse. I mean, they've got, you know, the west side, that's a whole Southern side. It's similar. So it's, it's a, it is a unique, they have their own unique set of, 368 00:47:52,940 --> 00:48:00,280 problems and stuff. So I don't see, I see your suggestion as positive, we would need him to buy 369 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:07,000 into that. We've now gone, if what you're saying was we've gone from 3 to 1, will you spend 370 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,360 some extra time with us so that we can answer some of our questions? 371 00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:18,860 That's some of my point. I mean, not that we can have a say and I would like to know what he also would 372 00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:25,780 as a interim, you know, who would be our deputy, you know, thoughts about where he would 373 00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:32,300 thought he would go internally or versus externally for that, you know, there's just some 374 00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,740 of that. I just didn't get enough time up with him. It literally went so quick. It was like we 375 00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:37,960 got 15 minutes, 376 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:46,180 and I just couldn't even get into, you know, this reference says this or whatever, 377 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,140 Plus, we didn't have our Constitutionals didn't show up to meet and greet. 378 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:54,620 We didn't really hear from the public. 379 00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:57,460 So there's a whole separate... 380 00:48:57,460 --> 00:48:58,240 Yeah, the opportunity. 381 00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:01,580 Maybe I don't want to throw the baby out with a bathwater. 382 00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:04,120 That's always my saying, like, I'm not ready to do that. 383 00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:06,340 I would like some more one at one time. 384 00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:12,720 So that when we come back, we know that the other two are not effective or don't work for us. 385 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,300 We know we're not going to get consensus on them. 386 00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:19,340 but the one who is not actively entertaining because he wants to stay in the region, 387 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,920 he's looking to be promoted, we could have someone on one time with him, and then we'll really 388 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:29,380 know, we have to go back to a search because I uncovered this or felt this way. I don't think we're 389 00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:36,360 ready to answer that yet. So that's that's my take on it. I would rather than deliver a 501 whoever we choose. 390 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:43,410 I would rather spend time on on the one consensus candidate than going back out. 391 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,600 even if it's just an hour hour and a half. 392 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,220 I don't object to that because I thought we were on speed dating, you know, 393 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,920 and they were gone and there was no follow-up for my time. 394 00:49:55,940 --> 00:49:57,520 And I think you can add more time. 395 00:49:57,660 --> 00:49:58,140 It doesn't have to be. 396 00:49:58,140 --> 00:50:00,780 I think it's the time and I don't want to put them short. 397 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,220 Now we're hour and a half. 398 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,040 Or maybe, you know, it could be something, I don't know, in very specific 399 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,880 to issues in your region that could give us our follow-up questions. 400 00:50:11,340 --> 00:50:14,900 HR could review them, make sure they're good to go with those. 401 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:21,400 And then have those questions answered by him, you know, you know, I may have very specific 402 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:21,940 questions. 403 00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:23,860 He has a rodent bridge background. 404 00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:30,960 I think I don't see someone that's not done this before or has an influence structure 405 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:39,060 experience in the realm of administration, of a county getting us to the next level. 406 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,600 I think he's probably perfect for, like I say. 407 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:51,380 He's already deputy or assistant or where he is in evolution, but this is going to be 408 00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:52,420 a hard self for me. 409 00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:54,240 I'm just going to be totally honest. 410 00:50:57,460 --> 00:51:01,200 But I think there's no consensus for the other two, no real consensus. 411 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:08,360 So rather than lose the one app, I can't at least let the rest go through the vetting process. 412 00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:11,820 And then we can come back to the 413 00:51:12,860 --> 00:51:15,440 Diaz here in determined if we need to do a professional search 414 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,620 from there or we comfortable to move forward. 415 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,220 So your consensus on Vincleek is, 416 00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:24,640 my consensus right now because even I, 417 00:51:24,700 --> 00:51:27,620 I'm not sure because this 20 minute was just not enough. 418 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,080 I just, in fact, I don't have an issue with him for say. 419 00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:34,740 I just need a little bit more time. 420 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,680 This is a big decision for our group. 421 00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:47,000 And I want to get it right, and that's not that we're in decisive, it's that we're really trying to get this right and make sure that they're really good fit for this organization. 422 00:51:48,020 --> 00:51:58,540 And so I think there's no way that everybody walked out of there in 20 minutes and could really get a grasp because he doesn't have a track record as an administrator. 423 00:51:59,140 --> 00:52:06,740 So there's not a lot out there for us to look at in that regard, but I think he deserves 424 00:52:06,740 --> 00:52:13,000 another hour of our time each to fully vet how we feel about it because you said, 425 00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:16,780 oh, I don't know about budget and all that, but he had a long history of budget, so maybe 426 00:52:16,780 --> 00:52:17,780 get into that. 427 00:52:17,780 --> 00:52:18,860 Well, the finance part. 428 00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:19,860 It is. 429 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:29,980 And Volusia has a very much different arrangement on taxing, you know, they've set up. 430 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,660 Numerous, different taxing authorities underneath, instead of just our one at the alarm, general fund. 431 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:47,240 They have a whole different and unique, we spent some time talking about how to become more effective, 432 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:54,640 more efficient, more transparent. If you haven't talked to him about that, I think there's opportunities 433 00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:02,140 these there too about how we, you know, because we were making, and you have to, you have 434 00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:09,580 to get buy-in on those things too. So, I mean, there's time for more discussion, I don't 435 00:53:09,580 --> 00:53:10,000 disagree. 436 00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:18,400 I think if we're at least going to consensus too, set up time with him individually, have 437 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,800 HR that are questions, and maybe if you want to give him a one-pager and be like, how would 438 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,900 you solved this issue, what is your take on this budget, 439 00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:28,300 what is your take on this? 440 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,040 Again, it wasn't the personality, it wasn't what, 441 00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:32,940 I mean, I mean, I just don't think we can see what, 442 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,900 yeah, other than that, then we can come back and have a discussion 443 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,140 if there's a lot of things, if there's not a consensus, 444 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,680 we can have a discussion after that to do a public search. 445 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,460 In defensive, the process that we're doing. 446 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,280 If I could fall back on, you know, it's a state's navy. 447 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,720 They have to select commanding officers of ships. 448 00:53:58,180 --> 00:54:02,280 And the process is not unlike what we're doing here. 449 00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:12,950 A board meets, and all they have to look at is what the person has done. 450 00:54:13,470 --> 00:54:14,430 That's all they have. 451 00:54:15,350 --> 00:54:20,250 And it's guaranteed that none of them have had commanding officer experience. 452 00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:24,210 but they've been executives, executive officer, 453 00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:25,630 other words, the number two guy. 454 00:54:26,370 --> 00:54:28,090 They've managed at that level. 455 00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:31,410 And that's kind of what we're faced with here. 456 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:35,730 We're faced with someone who's never been the commanding officer. 457 00:54:36,990 --> 00:54:39,830 But it's for the Navy, it's worked pretty well 458 00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:43,630 for 250 years to do that process. 459 00:54:44,690 --> 00:54:48,510 And have the board look at what this individual has done, 460 00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:54,670 What makes up their resume, if you will, what have they done, and have they done it well? 461 00:54:55,390 --> 00:55:00,310 And that's all the selection board has to go on when they pick commanding officer. That's all they have to go on. 462 00:55:00,510 --> 00:55:06,550 And that's all we have to go on in this case. So I think the methodology we're using is good. 463 00:55:07,330 --> 00:55:13,450 And I actually think we could pick somebody today. I think we could do it. We've got a lot of background. I agree that 464 00:55:14,170 --> 00:55:15,950 two of the candidates just 465 00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:23,850 There's too many weaknesses, too many, but this one individual has got a good solid track record. 466 00:55:24,790 --> 00:55:29,290 He's led people, a lot of people, big organizations. 467 00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:38,410 I was very impressed with his, especially his background in the financial management. 468 00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:48,650 He's managed in Bolusia County, the big groups of people, and I think if we look at that 469 00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:56,590 overall and we look at that track record, there's enough there to make him a county administrator. 470 00:55:57,350 --> 00:56:04,810 There's enough, there's plenty of background, plenty of successes to say this guy's ready. 471 00:56:04,810 --> 00:56:07,750 He's ready for coming in. 472 00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:11,930 So I just throw that off him. 473 00:56:12,130 --> 00:56:12,670 You don't mind. 474 00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:15,290 We can go to public comment for just a minute. 475 00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:18,070 I think I'm back and see if we can get a consensus somewhere. 476 00:56:18,490 --> 00:56:20,290 I'd like to open up this to public comment. 477 00:56:20,530 --> 00:56:22,570 That's three minute time out of period allocated. 478 00:56:23,410 --> 00:56:29,470 You can approach state your name and give us the information. 479 00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:32,670 and only one public member here, but we've received some questions. 480 00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:35,370 Looks like there's this rest of it. 481 00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:36,110 No one approach. 482 00:56:36,410 --> 00:56:37,670 I close out public comment. 483 00:56:40,290 --> 00:56:42,130 I'll leave their entertainment a motion. 484 00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:44,910 But as I said, I don't know that we're gonna move towards 485 00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:47,770 a true consensus of what we'd like to have, a 50. 486 00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:51,430 Is there a consensus to... 487 00:56:52,750 --> 00:56:54,010 Man, I'm sure we try it. 488 00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:54,850 Can we try it? 489 00:56:54,990 --> 00:56:55,970 We certainly can try it. 490 00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:57,710 Man, I'm sure I move that we select, 491 00:56:57,710 --> 00:57:01,010 Aaron Bentley has our next county administrator. 492 00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:08,470 I would say, Greg, that at this point, I'm not going to second it because I don't 493 00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:14,390 think we have at least a four to one, I don't think the motion is even worth doing. 494 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:22,750 I think if we're going to move, let's go on consensus to continue the process with Aaron and 495 00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:34,470 And the vote is unnecessary because he needs the entire support, at least a four to one to be able to move forward in my mind. 496 00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:42,930 It's, it's, his success depends on a supportive board and if we can't get there, then we don't get there. 497 00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:50,970 But I think you, we give him an opportunity to continue answering some of our questions that we have. 498 00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:56,410 One of the comments that was made, I don't think I'm in charge, I think we're all in charge. 499 00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:58,810 I think we're all equals here. 500 00:57:59,770 --> 00:58:03,750 And I can listen to anything that's been told to me. 501 00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:06,050 I do appreciate what you said, Greg. 502 00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:12,650 I'm wondering, in the Navy, do they have somebody over the boat? 503 00:58:13,370 --> 00:58:15,630 Oh, the chief of the boat? 504 00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:17,050 It's a ship. It's not a boat? 505 00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:24,590 the ship to me it's a boat it floats it's a boat okay I'm not in a navy and I'm not a military woman 506 00:58:24,590 --> 00:58:30,770 so it's okay just a mother it's very cool or real okay is there somebody above you know 507 00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:37,470 could make fun I'm so stupid because I've got some sense well I'm not a stupid as I love 508 00:58:39,050 --> 00:58:45,730 the ship excuse me the ship there's somebody over that captain the captain's pretty autonomous 509 00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:47,770 But there is a boss. 510 00:58:47,830 --> 00:58:48,590 But there is a boss. 511 00:58:49,090 --> 00:58:53,010 Okay, so we are the boss of the ship's captain. 512 00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:53,670 There you go. 513 00:58:54,050 --> 00:58:57,110 Okay, making you all happy now that I said what you wanted. 514 00:58:59,210 --> 00:59:01,030 I think we can give him a chance. 515 00:59:01,310 --> 00:59:02,870 I thought he was a lovely candidate. 516 00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:05,470 I think he said got a great personality. 517 00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:10,850 And I think he can cause some calm in the storm of what we're going to be floating into. 518 00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:17,610 floating, you know, like that floating into on the next round. I think we can give him 519 00:59:17,610 --> 00:59:22,770 his, I'm not against giving him an opportunity to prove himself to each and every one of 520 00:59:22,770 --> 00:59:29,750 us. And that's what I think we should do if anything with any of these candidates. He is a 521 00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:37,270 star that might just turn up to hit the moon. But if not, he might just land on the stars. 522 00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:51,430 So it's not the end of the world, but I think he's got an opportunity to prove himself to us because of his personality and his style. 523 00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:56,550 He does have a style. We all saw that. So at least we know his leadership quality. 524 00:59:57,010 --> 00:59:59,830 Oh yeah, I had a Ted Lasson moment from him. 525 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,100 I mean, he's like like in a coach. He's a courier, it's not judgmental. He was excited. He said, I had it said last 526 01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:16,580 moment, so, but I just, I'm sure he's watching this. I like him 20 minutes is not enough for me to know. 527 01:00:16,580 --> 01:00:22,180 It's not. I would really like some more time. I have very specific drill down question. 528 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:28,720 And instead of preparing for three, we can prepare for one. Can I just clarify for a moment, please? 529 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:36,700 Yeah, so Pam the reason behind my comment is I was standing face to face with the captain on a cruise ship 530 01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:40,660 And I called it a boat and he looked at me he goes, ma'am 531 01:00:40,660 --> 01:00:42,810 I run a ship. I don't run no boat 532 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:49,540 You just tell him I was just telling my story. I want to clear you I want to make it clear to you 533 01:00:49,540 --> 01:00:55,310 We carry boats. Yeah, it's right because if you want a boat you got a survivor boat right outside 534 01:00:57,350 --> 01:00:59,010 That's called a safe note, right? 535 01:00:59,210 --> 01:01:01,850 Yeah, that's the pink one that you jump into like that. 536 01:01:02,070 --> 01:01:06,850 With that, is there consensus to move forward, Mr. Rianclee, 537 01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:07,950 for further interviewing? 538 01:01:08,310 --> 01:01:10,870 Sorry to be the procedural web blanket, 539 01:01:10,890 --> 01:01:13,950 because we have a motion, so we're either going to have it fail 540 01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:15,590 for like a second or does the motion make 541 01:01:15,590 --> 01:01:17,030 or one with straw his motion? 542 01:01:17,450 --> 01:01:18,850 I would throw all the motion. Thank you. 543 01:01:18,850 --> 01:01:20,910 Thank you, sir. I'm so glad. 544 01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:25,110 That's why we pay him the big ones. 545 01:01:26,330 --> 01:01:27,650 That's why we have him here. 546 01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:31,710 Is there a sense of to continue on with interviewing process of Mr. Ranclete? 547 01:01:33,030 --> 01:01:33,410 Yes. 548 01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:36,170 Is there a time we would like that? 549 01:01:37,370 --> 01:01:38,830 Is there a time that we would like to be able to do that? 550 01:01:39,410 --> 01:01:39,490 Okay. 551 01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:44,450 So if we could have a, we don't want to drag them through the mud. 552 01:01:45,170 --> 01:01:50,690 So if there's a half day he can come in between down the next scheduled board meeting 553 01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:57,450 would that be? Do we have to do everything one-on-one or can we do the one-hour up here? 554 01:01:58,350 --> 01:01:59,150 That's a good question. 555 01:02:00,790 --> 01:02:01,910 Mr. Rodriguez, what's here? 556 01:02:01,930 --> 01:02:04,050 I would like some one-on-one I want to talk about. 557 01:02:04,050 --> 01:02:11,690 I think the process was good, where at least another public presentation where we have more of the public. 558 01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:16,890 So we go to the the trouble of making sure that we get most of the kind if not all the 559 01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:22,750 Constitutionals here and and a lot more people from the from the public I don't think it was 560 01:02:22,750 --> 01:02:29,150 Well average right I don't think that most the public didn't really realize we were even doing this right I found that out last night 561 01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:35,450 After all well, so that's that would all that was another thing, you know, and our Constitutionals were traveling and this 562 01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:40,250 And so now that we've got it narrowed down, that one might, you know, 563 01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:41,870 oh, we may end up doing public. 564 01:02:41,890 --> 01:02:44,210 I don't know until I have more time. 565 01:02:44,290 --> 01:02:45,590 I think that's not too much. 566 01:02:45,670 --> 01:02:49,550 My only hiccup is right after them. 567 01:02:49,550 --> 01:02:51,370 If we do it before the meeting, it's great because 568 01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:54,050 right after that, I've got the fact innovation 569 01:02:54,050 --> 01:02:56,270 and policy meeting in Jacksonville. 570 01:02:58,990 --> 01:02:59,170 All right. 571 01:02:59,270 --> 01:03:00,690 Do we have to revisit something today? 572 01:03:04,610 --> 01:03:04,890 Yeah. 573 01:03:04,890 --> 01:03:08,690 of you can meet with them individually and that's not a problem. I just can't have more than one 574 01:03:08,690 --> 01:03:13,910 of you meet with them. So if you want to have one open meeting where it's all discussed out 575 01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:19,270 in the open, that's fine. You can either have it as part of a, and let's say it's an agenda item 576 01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:23,330 and a workshop and then you can just have a special meeting right after it to, to make your 577 01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:28,030 to vote for your selection. You can do that or have it be a separate meeting or include it in one of 578 01:03:28,030 --> 01:03:33,570 our scheduled commission meetings if you really want to get the public more involved. That's fine. 579 01:03:33,570 --> 01:03:36,690 but I just can't have more than one of you meeting 580 01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:38,210 with him at the same time. 581 01:03:38,830 --> 01:03:40,730 That individual time is fine. 582 01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:43,570 I would look to Commissioner Carney and Richardson 583 01:03:43,570 --> 01:03:46,930 on how best you want to approach it. 584 01:03:47,030 --> 01:03:49,830 You have more questions, reservations. 585 01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:54,050 How do you want one on one time and a public meeting? 586 01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:56,030 Let's do that. 587 01:03:57,050 --> 01:03:59,330 I'm fine with whatever you want to do. 588 01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:00,950 I'm not against any of it. 589 01:04:01,110 --> 01:04:02,650 I just want to make sure we're doing the right thing. 590 01:04:02,650 --> 01:04:10,570 That's all my concerns are really truthfully, it's not the value of him, it's the value of what it's going to serve our entire group. 591 01:04:11,010 --> 01:04:12,710 So I appreciate that. 592 01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:16,710 Is that okay for everyone? 593 01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:17,870 All right. 594 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:20,010 With that I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. 595 01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:20,870 Move for your adjourn. 596 01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:21,350 We're adjourned. 597 01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:22,950 Thank you. 598 01:04:23,330 --> 01:04:24,390 I can go to work now.