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If you'll stand for the pledge of

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allegiance, please.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. So, everybody's got a copy of

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the uh of the minutes. Um I'll ask if

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anybody has any questions about the

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prior hour minutes.

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» I have a motion. Have a second.

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» Second.

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» Second. All right. Any discussion on

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that? If not, minutes are approved.

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Okay. So, we're looking at uh

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PC-2026-22.

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» Good evening. Thank you all for being

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here. Uh this is a request to reszone

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from commercial reuse to central

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business district five parcels located

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206, 208, 210, 211, and 212 Cougar

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Street identified as Florence County tax

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map numbers 974086

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78 9 and 35.

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These parcels are all located on um at

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the end the south southern end of Cougar

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Street which is between Chv Street and

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West Palmetto Street. They are all

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vacant right now um largely being used

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as parking lots for adjacent [snorts]

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properties and the um most of the

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properties around them as you can see

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are zoned either commercial reuse which

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is the purple or central business

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district which is the brown. So they're

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right in between both and the request is

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to zone them from the commercial reuse

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which is a lower impact lower intensity

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commercial use to central business

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district which is a mixeduse much more

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um not much more but more intense more

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dense um zoning district. It's the

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downtown district and there's nothing

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specifically planned for that but that

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would make the open these up to be um a

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little more flexible for redevelopment

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going forward. and um seems kind of

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appropriate for uh what is going on in

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there. The uh future land use map has

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them as corridor mixed use um which

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[clears throat] is what they would be

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used for as well.

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These are some site photos of them. As

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you can see, they're just vacant

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parcels. Um any redevelopment would be

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an improvement. So, um and everything

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around it is former residential. It's

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been converted to commercial uses and

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the as you can see the um school for uh

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» Um yeah Francis Mary and the medical uh

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school where circle park or circle

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school was will be just down the block

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from this. So that concludes staff's

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» Thank you.

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All right. That's a this is a public

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hearing. So um usually for public

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hearing we give 2 to 5 minutes um for

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response for and against. So I'll open

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the public hearing if anybody has

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anything to say for they can come up to

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the podium give their name.

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» Good afternoon. I'm John Deberry. I've

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made the application. I think um Elaine

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did a great job of presenting our case

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for us and um but I want to give you an

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opportunity to ask any questions that

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you might have.

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» Commissioners, any questions for this

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gentleman?

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» Can you point Can you point to where um

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» So you you see where the King Avenue and

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Greg Avenue round make the

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» Semicircle there.

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» Oh, right here.

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» Yes, sir. Okay. [clears throat]

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» So, that's where the new um medical

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facility is being built.

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» Okay. And then you these are right here.

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So, uh you don't have any there was no

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» So, the plans that we have um don't have

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any current plans for these parcels at

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this time. Um they all right. So the the

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dark red right around it, those are

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already zoned CBD and these are parking

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lots that serve

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those parcels.

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we're in the process of trying to fix up

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some of those buildings there. The

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tenants have vacated and want to put new

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facades on them and invite, you know,

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more activity down there. Um, and I

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think it's important it's this area is

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kind of in a donut hole because even the

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light shaded pink between Graham Street

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and Cucer and Palmetto, those buildings

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and uses are already operating like

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they're in the CBD. There's a bar in

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there. There's a paint store. There's a

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boutique. Um, so we were just hoping to

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make it more consistent with everything

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that's going on right in that area.

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um, Osborne's

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this would just be an opportunity to

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make all of that consistent kind of a

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consistent area and they'd have

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consistent setbacks with the other

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parcels and the way that all the other

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buildings have been built over the

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parking hooked to other parcels or just

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» Yes, sir. Um, so

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it is there's an originally what was the

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social security office building that

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faces Warley Street. This is parking for

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that. And um, two of the parcels have

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historically been parking for medical

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facility on Palmeta Street where Dr.

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McKay used to be. Mhm.

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» And um so it served kind of in both

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directions as parking for them.

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» The parking is going away. You're going

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to do development that

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» No, sir. Um for the time being that will

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continue to be parking. We hope to be

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able to landscape that nicely and really

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kind of like the downtown did, make the

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facades of the back of the buildings on

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Warley Street look attractive and and

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perform more as the entrance of the

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buildings to take advantage of some of

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that parking in there. Um, and landscape

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it nicely. And then then the idea is

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we've got a concept of a future possible

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another office building there if things

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go well with the the renovation or

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maybe some um some town houses down in

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» Any other questions?

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» You say the word town. I fig that's what

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you going to do in the future.

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» Well, That's one purpose of each one of

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the parts. You going to divide it up and

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try to do that, right?

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» No sir. Um so if we

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we would not divide that up for um well

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first of all I think the lane can

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correct me but right now I think it's it

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would be appropriate for town houses in

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the commercial reuse.

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» Yes, I think town houses are permitted.

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So I don't think that you know makes a

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difference in this request but um that

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is really not you know originally my

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that's this is a later phase of what we

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have in mind if things go well and I was

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thinking another office building but the

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city did suggest to look at when I

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talked to Hannah um Davis in the

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downtown development department she

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suggested that we look at the

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possibility of putting putting some

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housing down there.

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» Any other questions?

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» Thank you.

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» All right. Thanks, sir.

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Anybody else speak for this?

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Anybody here to speak opposed?

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If not, I'll close the public hearing

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and ask for discussion.

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» Any questions?

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Call for the motion. Make a motion to

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approve.

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» Second.

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» Second. We have a motion to second. All

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in favor?

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» I.

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» That passes.

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» All right. [sighs and gasps] Another

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public hearing. PC-2026-23.

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Elaine.

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» All right. This is a U request to zone

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um NC15 pending annexation. A Whoops. A

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parcel um located at 2711 Ascot Drive.

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and um

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uh identified as Florence County tax

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number 00980181.

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This is another donut hole in Windsor

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Forest. Um these addresses probably look

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kind of familiar. We've got several this

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month and several next month as well. Um

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single family house surrounded by um

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houses that are already in the city and

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they just want to um probably got tired

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of watching their neighbors get their

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trash picked up and want to join in

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that. Um it would be zoned NC15 which is

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what everything around it is zoned and

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um the uh future land use map also has

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it as neighborhood conservation. So

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everything is in keeping. There'll be no

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changes to it. Um and as you can see

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it's a single family house. So um that

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concludes staff's report.

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» Okay. All right. I'll open the public

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meeting. Anybody here to

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speak on behalf of this proposal?

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Hearing none. Anybody against it? I'll

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close the public hearing. Call for a

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» I'll [snorts] make a motion we approve.

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» Second.

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» Have a motion to second. All in favor?

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» Motion carries.

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» Okay. Uh PC-2026-26.

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I'm sorry, excuse me. PC-2026-25.

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» Right. Because 24 has been deferred for

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next month. Um this is a request to

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reszone from NC 6.2 2 to NC6.3 18

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parcels located on North Aken Drive. I'm

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not going to read all 18 tax map

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numbers. Um

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here's the addresses and the tax map

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numbers. They're all um sequential on

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the um located along North Aken Drive,

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which is a small uh residential area on

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the north side of West Evans Street. And

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um as you can see here, here they are.

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And they were developed in the 1950s.

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these houses were built and there's

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there because there is a single family

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house on each of them and it is a

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residential donut hole surrounded by

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commercial general commercial all around

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it and the request is to zone it from

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reszone it from the NC6.2 2, which only

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allows single family and uh duplexes to

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NC 6.3 in order to give the developer

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the option of developing single family,

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duplexes, town houses, multif family,

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whatever works out uh whatever the

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market would work out. They just would

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like to have that flexibility.

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And um we did have [clears throat] a um

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one of the other property owners, one of

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the few that are left um was interested

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in that and just wanted to make sure um

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you know that this was a quality

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development. And as I told him that's

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not what this is for at this stage that

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um that would come under any

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redevelopment late at a later date

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because these lots would obviously have

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to be recombined and re subdivided to

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accommodate whatever the development

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was. But at this point for tonight,

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we're just looking at reszoning it from

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the NC6.2 to the NC6.3.

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Um and here's some pictures. As I said,

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there older houses built in the 1950s

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and they're all rentals at the moment. I

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don't believe there's any um uh owner

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occupied houses there. So, that

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concludes staff's report. Okay. Uh I'll

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open the public hearing. Anybody for or

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against this proposal? Come up to the

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podium. Sir, say your name. [snorts]

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[clears throat]

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Good afternoon. My name is Harvey

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Frierson and I'm

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are on the end there which is not listed

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on the map there regards to uh changes

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and I are listening to so far what's

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going on with the uh town houses and I'm

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like Mr. Akens years back in 1950 he

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developed that area

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[cough and clears throat]

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and my concern in 2026

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is concern about 20 46

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you coming in are changing up modifying

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the neighborhood if so should be able to

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afford it and my concern was that if

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they're going to plan I'm going to bring

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it to your attention now that street

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likes should be your part of that

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planning. Sidewalks from Evans Creek to

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Evans Creek

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are back of the property is railroads

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and right now we're experiencing foxes

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and coyotes coming into the area and

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that should be concerned also.

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And Florence itself is growing yet

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nobody mentioned the senior citizens.

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So if they're going to buy that

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property, I would like to see some

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senior citizen living in that area.

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Now when you grow old, you're going to

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be young. What about the playground for

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the children? So those my concern if

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that's intact with the planning, I have

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no problem.

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But right now, I want it to be known

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that this is what uh

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some of the residents who's not on that

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map is concerned about.

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» Again, thank you for your opportunity to

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express my concern.

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» Okay. Any questions, Mr. Chairman?

334
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» Uh what house do you live in, sir? I

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live in the first house next to the uh I

336
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think it's ENT building. I've been there

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perhaps about 20 years, 25 years.

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[clears throat]

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» So is is your house

340
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» The first one the blue house?

341
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» Yes, sir.

342
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» It's it's in this proposed change.

343
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» No.

344
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» No. In fact,

345
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» You're outside of that.

346
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» Yes, sir.

347
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» Oh, okay.

348
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» And I'll be affected also. If you look

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at this zoning map, his is the first

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yellow parcel um next to the orange on

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the right where they the the pieshaped

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parcels. Um it's tax map number 006.

353
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» Okay. That's near the AT&T.

354
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» Yes, sir. Next door to you.

355
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» Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

356
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» And and your concern is basically about

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future use.

358
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» Yes, sir.

359
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» That's what you're voicing an opinion

360
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on.

361
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» Yes, sir.

362
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sidewalks, senior living,

363
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playground for the children

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or a shield against the railroad track

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or ownership

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for driers as well as wild animals.

367
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» All right. Thank you, sir. Any other

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questions?

369
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You good?

370
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I would need to recuse myself from this

371
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because I do have interest in this

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project.

373
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» Okay.

374
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» So, we just can't have your vote. All

375
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right.

376
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» Right.

377
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» Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Anyone

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else here to speak on [snorts] this

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proposal?

380
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» Oh, would I be able to speak on the

381
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proposal?

382
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» Uh, or what does the

383
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» You would um

384
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» Okay.

385
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» You'd have to go out there and Yeah. as

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a

387
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» Point of order the audience for this for

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this [clears throat] particular case.

389
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Yes,

390
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» Point of order. Uh because she's

391
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reclused herself, that only gives us

392
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four people.

393
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» That's okay.

394
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» So, we can still vote. As long as as

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long as you start the meeting with a

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quorum,

397
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» Correct? [snorts]

398
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» Everything's good.

399
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» Yes, ma'am. State your name.

400
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» My name is Xavier Sams and I have an

401
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interest in this project. Um this

402
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current project the owner has other

403
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rentals and as part of the echo program

404
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which also helps those who with domestic

405
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violence. Um they also assist veterans

406
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and seniors in those rentals because

407
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this property has been is very dated.

408
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The solution would not be to renovate.

409
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It would be to have an effective

410
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[clears throat]

411
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living. Um, they currently

412
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have different things going on with them

413
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where tearing down would be more

414
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effective as far as windows cost

415
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effective and different things like

416
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that. So, as far as building back,

417
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reszoning to NC 6.3 would give it more

418
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flexibility to build different things

419
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back there. Um in talking with housing

420
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authority and also city some of the city

421
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council who is also um excited about

422
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this project as well. They mentioned

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that um there is not a lot of affordable

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housing for senior citizens and for

425
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those who want to have some type of um

426
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when you have affordable housing they're

427
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looked at in a negative type of way. Um,

428
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[snorts] so rebuilding these homes to

429
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have

430
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I'm not gonna say upscale, but to have

431
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different amenities that they would

432
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actually enjoy when these are going to

433
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be rebuil rebuild back.

434
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» What What else is in this area around

435
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these? Can you comment on that? Maybe

436
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you can.

437
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» Uh, Terminex was on the corner. Um, you

438
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have a CPA building. Um, it's like a

439
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it's right

440
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» I can't reach it cuz I'm short,

441
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» But at the very beginning right here you

442
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have a lot of different offices there as

443
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well. Uh, and in front of it is the old

444
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health department. You can't even see

445
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these homes from Evans Street. You have

446
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to literally drive in there in order to

447
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see it.

448
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» There's commercial running already.

449
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» Yeah.

450
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» Mhm.

451
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» And you call that the Echo? What did you

452
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call it? Echo is a program for different

453
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individuals who need housing. Okay.

454
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» Affordable housing.

455
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» And you also mentioned veterans too.

456
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Work with veterans. But put place

457
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» It would be veterans placements. They

458
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already working with the veterans. They

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work with uh senior citizens and they

460
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work with lowinccome also considering um

461
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housing authority as well.

462
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» Okay.

463
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» So that was sort of address some of the

464
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things he previous gentleman was

465
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speaking about

466
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» As the senior citizen population. That

467
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is something that is noted. Um and

468
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looking at some of the different floor

469
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plans that is being visited, that's why

470
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they have decided to do two primary

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bedrooms. If they were to rebuild, being

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that if there was a senior citizen who

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wanted to rent these, they would be

474
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accommodated on the first floor. Um a

475
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lot of homes are now as a realtor here

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in Florence are going to

477
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multi-generational homes just to offset

478
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the cost of housing. So, we lack a lot

479
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of affordable 4bedroom homes in Florence

480
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versus going back with the current one

481
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which has three bedrooms and one

482
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bathroom.

483
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» Okay.

484
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Any other questions?

485
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» Now, he addressed the issue about

486
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sidewalks.

487
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Are y'all planning on putting sidewalks

488
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there for them so they can walk around

489
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that circle? That has not been discussed

490
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as part of development when it go comes

491
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to zoning. So right now it's just in the

492
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reszoning phase.

493
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» That will be addressed Elaine. What that

494
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would be addressed for in future.

495
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» Yeah, I think it depends on the scale

496
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» Layout scale. Gotcha. Right.

497
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» It may require sidewalks. It may not. Um

498
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but it depends on the scale of the

499
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development.

500
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» But there's rules and regulations. Yeah,

501
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there's rules and regulations you have

502
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to follow.

503
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» And that is a DOT road. It's not a city

504
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road.

505
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So, you're planning on putting back

506
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single family living homes

507
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because that's what's affected now,

508
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right?

509
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» It has been discussed to add town homes.

510
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» And you going to do single family homes

511
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also or this town?

512
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» It would be town homes.

513
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» Towns.

514
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» All town homes.

515
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Any [snorts]

516
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other comments,

517
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questions for this young lady?

518
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» So, where will you put the each lot? We

519
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have a townhouse. That's what you have.

520
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» So, after zoning, um what was also

521
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discussed because of the setbacks, it

522
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would have to come back and have each

523
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parcel would have to be reserveyed. So,

524
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some of the parcels may have to be

525
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combined because it the setbacks and

526
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they're also the the lots are shaped

527
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funny.

528
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» I see.

529
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» Yep.

530
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[snorts]

531
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» And it's on two sides of the street. So,

532
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:13,520
on the inside is a pie shaped. on the

533
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outside is actually you could do more

534
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,000
with it, but the pies shaped is the one

535
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that's going to limit that's going to

536
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limit everything.

537
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» Yes, sir.

538
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» No single family.

539
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And the reason being is that you can put

540
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more affordable housing as town homes to

541
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accommodate the growth of Florence.

542
00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:48,320
You put elevators in it because you got

543
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,840
townhouse. You might have to have

544
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,440
stairs, right?

545
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,760
» You would have to have stairs in there.

546
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» That's going to be good for

547
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» Well, that's why there are two primary

548
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bedrooms. One on the first floor or two

549
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bedrooms on the first floor, two

550
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bedrooms on the top floor. We're

551
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focusing on multi-generational as well.

552
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:10,520
So, it's a mixture of everybody.

553
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,799
All right.

554
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,480
» Any other questions for her?

555
00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:21,280
» All right. Okay. Thank you.

556
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,960
» All right. Thank you.

557
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,960
» Um I'm going to close the public meeting

558
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,360
now. Um

559
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,360
any discussion

560
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,919
before any discussion in options? Guys,

561
00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,159
» Can we reopen the public hearing or it's

562
00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:35,919
closed?

563
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:38,000
» That's up to the chairman. That's that's

564
00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:39,520
chairman. And we've heard both sides. to

565
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,159
give both side equal equal amount of of

566
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:45,120
of time. So if there's no discussion

567
00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:46,559
amongst us, I'll call for a motion.

568
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,520
» Move for adoption.

569
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,480
» Have a second.

570
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,320
» Second.

571
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,840
» Any discussion?

572
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,320
» All in favor say I.

573
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,360
» I.

574
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:59,480
» I. Motion passes.

575
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,480
Okay. PC-2026-26.

576
00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:07,039
» All right. And what one point of order

577
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,960
before we move on. The um the deferral

578
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,799
of the Stratton Drive case, if you

579
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,640
wouldn't mind bringing that to vote just

580
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,000
to defer it so it carries forward to the

581
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,120
next agenda. Sorry.

582
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,919
» All right.

583
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:18,720
» I'll make a motion to defer.

584
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:19,360
» Second.

585
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,080
» All right. [laughter]

586
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,880
» There it goes.

587
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,480
» It's deferred.

588
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,000
» Yeah. And everybody votes. Okay. Very

589
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,159
good. It's

590
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,440
» All in favor.

591
00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:31,760
» We're official. Good.

592
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:35,200
» Just to make sure everything's official.

593
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,799
So, um, this is an amendment to a

594
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,039
proposed amendment to the unified

595
00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:41,279
development ordinance regarding, uh,

596
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:43,840
noise and vibration regulations. And,

597
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:48,240
and this one's a a little different in

598
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:51,360
that, um, this proposal would remove the

599
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,799
noise ordinance section from the unified

600
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,799
development ordinance, which is the

601
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:57,120
zoning code that planning commission

602
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:59,039
recommends on. But we would we have

603
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:01,200
existing code also in the code of

604
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:04,960
ordinances which city council takes

605
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:08,400
action on. And um we we want to one put

606
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,960
it all in one place um so that it's easy

607
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,559
for the public and for for our police

608
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,799
department who's enforcing this um to to

609
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:20,640
comprehend and to use so it's all in one

610
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:23,600
place. So we are um proposing that it be

611
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:28,720
removed from the unified development

612
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:31,760
ordinance and the the key um pieces of

613
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,640
that be combined into the existing code

614
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,400
in the code of ordinances. So, um,

615
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,200
planning commission if they choose to

616
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,039
would be taking action to remove it from

617
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,960
the unified development ordinance, but

618
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,440
that would be contingent, I think, I

619
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:48,400
think, on it being placed into the code

620
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:50,240
of ordinances by city council. And, um,

621
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,480
this was brought to us by a member of

622
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,000
city council. And it kind of started

623
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:58,080
with um, a recommendation to extend

624
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,840
right now. Um there's there's different

625
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,039
decibel levels which I'll go over here

626
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:05,520
in a second for um you know commercial

627
00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:08,559
districts and um residential districts

628
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:11,440
but um based on decibel levels that they

629
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:15,120
have to be reduced to a certain time or

630
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,240
or a certain level um currently at 1000

631
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:20,400
p.m. um in our commercial districts and

632
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:24,400
it was proposed that that be extended to

633
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:27,760
11 p.m. and that so that change is in

634
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,679
here as a proposal. Um but also staff

635
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,440
took it a step further and wanted while

636
00:26:29,679 --> 00:26:34,080
we're while we're touching the noise

637
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,600
ordinance, we wanted to combine it all

638
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:40,799
into one easy to use document. So I'll

639
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,760
um all of that was in your packet. Um

640
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:47,039
but um essentially I we put in the

641
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,440
packet what the um current uh unified

642
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:52,240
development ordinance has in it. Um and

643
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,640
that's showing as as struck through um

644
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,440
in this because it would be removed. Um

645
00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:00,000
the key parts of of this code are the

646
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,679
decibel levels that is not in currently

647
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,159
in the code of ordinances. But we

648
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:06,640
thought it was important to tie that,

649
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:08,480
you know, the sound to a measure um that

650
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,200
that a meter that we could actually, you

651
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:14,000
know, that'll hold up in court or or if

652
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,919
even if the police just go out there and

653
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,520
you know and you know they have that

654
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:19,120
decibel meter and they can say, "Hey,

655
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,159
it's exceeding that. would you quieten

656
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,080
down? Because, you know, everything

657
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:25,279
doesn't end up in court, but um they can

658
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:30,080
just get um instant, you know, folks to

659
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:32,960
instantly quieten down. Um but the I did

660
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,440
want to show um you know, the code of

661
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,480
ordinances are also in here. Um you

662
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:42,240
know, this is what city council would

663
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:45,760
have control over. um these first 12

664
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,480
items, the the 10-9 and 10-10 and the

665
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,559
first 12 items would remain unchanged.

666
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,120
Um that's as it currently reads in the

667
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:55,120
code of ordinances. Um but then starting

668
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,039
with 14 is where we start the

669
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:59,840
incorporation of the unified development

670
00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:01,919
ordinance. We took um language specific

671
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:05,039
to schools where they that out of the

672
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:07,200
UDO and incorporated it um so that that

673
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,640
you know between seven and four people

674
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,520
can't be making noise outside of

675
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:14,399
schools. Um, and then we added number

676
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,559
17, which has to do with recreation, um,

677
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:18,240
recreational motorized vehicles, you

678
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:20,480
know, four-wheelers and go-karts and

679
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,360
things like that, um, that that they

680
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:26,399
can't be making certain noise levels,

681
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:29,679
um, in in neighborhoods and such. And

682
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:31,760
then um under the exceptions, we

683
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:33,600
incorporated some of the exceptions that

684
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,120
were in the unified development

685
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,960
ordinance or all of the exceptions

686
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,760
actually um such as construction

687
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:42,159
activities and that's outlined um up in

688
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,159
1010. It has certain um time

689
00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:47,120
requirements on that. So you can you

690
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:49,520
know perform um construction in the city

691
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:52,080
and and the noise is accepted to that

692
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,520
basically during the daytime hours um as

693
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,919
is acceptable. Um also um the noise

694
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,520
emanating from a um that's temporary in

695
00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:02,000
nature like landscaping blowers,

696
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,000
lawnmowers and things. We all expect

697
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,000
temporary noises from that within our

698
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,399
residential and commercial areas as well

699
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,240
as agricultural equipment in the um in

700
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:12,559
the appropriate agriculture zoning

701
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,320
district. Uh also emergency warning

702
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:17,440
devices, that's you know your police

703
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:21,279
cars, ambulances, fire trucks. Um and

704
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:23,760
also um the um events that was already

705
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,600
in there, but things like the pecan

706
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,520
festival or special events that we held

707
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,240
downtown, but we did add some times to

708
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,080
that um because even though the city

709
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,640
says it's okay, we should still follow

710
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,279
some rules. So we put from uh 7 a.m. to

711
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,720
1000 p.m. That doesn't give the city

712
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,559
free will to go out there and run the

713
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,240
pecan festival till 2 in the morning or

714
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:46,480
anything. So we did put some times in

715
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:48,000
there. And um and then we made reference

716
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,135
um to the appropriate section in the

717
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,080
unified development ordinance there.

718
00:29:50,135 --> 00:29:56,640
[snorts] And um then everything in the

719
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:59,840
uh the black font there is um already

720
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,840
existing in the code. And then um these

721
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,120
are all the sections regarding the uh

722
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,600
decibel levels and the times um that was

723
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,399
taken from the uh unified development

724
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,399
ordinance and placed in there. Um the

725
00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:15,200
changes from the unified development

726
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:17,279
ordinance to this document um are are

727
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,640
that that first section there the one

728
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:25,120
through four um the primaaci violation

729
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:26,799
and um it that establishes um for the um

730
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,760
codes enforcement or or the police

731
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:31,919
department who who's on the scene uh you

732
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,799
know a way to actually show that there's

733
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:37,120
a violation. Um it it says that they

734
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:39,039
have to have a a meter a decibel meter.

735
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,600
Um it tells the scale by which it's

736
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:44,640
measured. It's got the American National

737
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,320
Standards Institute or ANIE. Um that the

738
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,200
you know the meter itself has to be

739
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,399
certified by and it tells where it need

740
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080
you know it needs to be taken at a

741
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:54,240
reasonable location on the property

742
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,880
where the sound is occurring. So you

743
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,960
know if I call that my you know that I'm

744
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,200
in my living room and I can hear my

745
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,559
neighbor's kid playing the drums then

746
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,320
they basically need to come onto my

747
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:06,880
property at a reasonable location and

748
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,799
and show that decel level. they don't

749
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,360
need to go onto the neighbor's property

750
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:15,120
to do that. So, it establishes things

751
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:18,799
like that. Um and um the the one change

752
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,480
is that um you know from uh 7 to 10 in

753
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,200
residential districts it has the

754
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,360
different decibel levels and then um in

755
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,880
the commercial districts it's from 7:00

756
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,840
a.m. to 11:00 p.m. And just to um give

757
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,880
you a um if I can might have lost my

758
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:37,760
sheet of paper here, but um the decel

759
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760
There it is.

760
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:43,200
So to give you a gauge for decibel

761
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:46,080
levels and this is decibel this is a

762
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:51,919
logarithmic scale. So um you know from

763
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:55,279
55 to 60 it is a huge increase u but you

764
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:57,200
know a normal conversation

765
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:00,399
um kind of with some or some background

766
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,320
music um if you're in a um in a doctor's

767
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:04,880
office or something like that would be

768
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,519
around 60 dB. So that's just kind of

769
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,760
normal conversation, uh, normal kind of

770
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:13,279
chatter. Um, if you're, um, and that's,

771
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,640
you know, more in the range of what's

772
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:19,039
acceptable in residential areas. Um, but

773
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,120
then if you go up to commercial areas in

774
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:25,440
that 75 range during the daytime, um, it

775
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,120
it's talking about a vacuum cleaner, you

776
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,799
know, um, you remember when you were a

777
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,320
kid watching cartoons and your mom was

778
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,480
trying to vacuum and you couldn't hear

779
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,159
the TV? That's the kind of noise that

780
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,159
that is is is that level of of noise. Um

781
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:41,039
and then uh at night it would be

782
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:43,679
expected to be 70 dB which is more like

783
00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:45,840
office noise or inside of a car at about

784
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:48,640
60 m hour or so. So it's that kind of

785
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,960
noise. And then industrial areas have a

786
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,760
a different decibel level but it's even

787
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:56,080
quieter at night because most industries

788
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,919
tend to shut down at at night and we

789
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,640
don't have a ton of industrial areas

790
00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:02,960
within the city. Um but we did we did

791
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,760
incorporate that chart um with the with

792
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:09,200
the change times into the proposal um

793
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,360
within the um code of ordinances and we

794
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:14,799
also incorporated

795
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,720
um some of the um other language about

796
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,200
proposed barriers or structures that

797
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,640
could be um incorporated and also

798
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,640
section um 10-xx. There I put an XX

799
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,240
because we haven't assigned that a

800
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,559
number in the code of ordinances. Yes,

801
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,720
but yet but um the code of ordinances

802
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,720
didn't have anything referring to

803
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,399
vibrations, but the unified development

804
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,080
ordinance did. So we took that section

805
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:40,640
and put it in there as well. So, um that

806
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:43,279
outlines some of the proposed um changes

807
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,480
and planning commission I I think if

808
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:48,720
they choose to um uh move forward with

809
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:52,559
this would propose to remove it from the

810
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,720
UDO um and then give council uh the

811
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,360
ability to add it to the code of

812
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,880
ordinances here. So, and that concludes

813
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,760
staff's report and I'm happy to answer

814
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360
any questions.

815
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,519
» I have a question on [clears throat] the

816
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,200
decibb. I have a problem with decibb.

817
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:07,440
So, I'll tell you right now, [laughter]

818
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,760
if me and Mr. Moses are outside having a

819
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,839
barbecue at his house and we have our

820
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,639
wives there or kids, grandkids,

821
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:16,159
whatever, you will exceed every decibel

822
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,359
you have there.

823
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:20,240
» Without question.

824
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:22,240
» All right. So, I have a very sensitive

825
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:24,399
uh when it comes to decibel readings uh

826
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:27,359
in Georgetown County. Um and I've

827
00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:31,359
actually proved my point. All right. Um

828
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:32,639
so, uh I you this is too restrictive in

829
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,919
my mind. I'm gonna tell you right now,

830
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,879
it's too restrictive. And I'll tell you,

831
00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:38,000
I know at least one um uh city council

832
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:40,480
members, I don't know what's going on

833
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,440
with them, but um I don't I don't think

834
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,480
that uh when you start limiting, you

835
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,079
know, um common sense, and a police

836
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,560
officer comes out, does this stuff, and

837
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:53,359
you start putting decibels behind it, uh

838
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,440
decibb, you'd be surprised um in a in a

839
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:56,720
normal conversation how you will exceed

840
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,520
some of those that you guys come up

841
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:00,800
with. So, um that was what I had say.

842
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,800
Any other any other comments or

843
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:07,920
questions for Jerry? I'm with the same

844
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:10,480
thing also because see, you know, if uh

845
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,960
if the police can come in my yard, tell

846
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,520
what's going on in the next yard, then

847
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,839
we're going to have a lot of fines with

848
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,839
coming to uh to the to the person or

849
00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:23,760
stuff and then it's going I see where

850
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:28,720
I see where you talking about that take

851
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:31,440
like downtown you have you after five

852
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,040
and it's after 7 o'lock. Am I right? I

853
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,599
think it's over to 8.

854
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,760
» Yeah.

855
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,200
» And you you exceed that. That's because

856
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,200
you got a ban plan.

857
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,119
» Yeah. Well, for city events, it would be

858
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,920
till 10 p.m. So

859
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:43,520
» 10 p.m.

860
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,440
» Which would align with Yeah. It would

861
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,320
actually be ahead of what's proposed.

862
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:53,680
» Where's that 12:00 at? Um, we're

863
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:57,520
proposing 11 p.m. for um the uh downtown

864
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,200
area in general for for businesses and

865
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,720
but for city events it would be

866
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,440
» This unified district is so strict with

867
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:07,200
the city of Florence. We we got this

868
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,440
unified district. They got they're

869
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,079
strict with a lot of thing here in

870
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:15,119
Florence. We let them have their way to

871
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:17,839
run Florence and this is part of it

872
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,599
right here. But see that unified

873
00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:21,680
district, we got to do something about

874
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:24,160
unifi. I think that unified district is

875
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,079
getting way out of hand.

876
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,760
» Well, are there any decimals current are

877
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:31,440
any decibb currently in in ordinances?

878
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,040
» It it's currently in the unified

879
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,800
development ordinance. We currently have

880
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,480
» But what levels? What

881
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,920
» These levels? I didn't change I did not

882
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,079
change the levels. That's what's

883
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,160
currently on the books. I didn't I

884
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,760
didn't touch that at all. I wouldn't I

885
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,320
wouldn't feel comfortable voting on any

886
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:50,240
of this until I actually see the decel

887
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:53,760
monitor and I know what 70 dB is, what

888
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:56,880
80 is. I I get your point of saying us

889
00:36:53,760 --> 00:37:01,599
having a conversation is 60.

890
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,960
If that's 60 I how is 80? I I don't

891
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,400
know. And I I know

892
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,720
» Demonstration.

893
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,960
» Yeah. I feel like I I mean just to cuz I

894
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:13,599
feel like Yeah. I mean, I I get college

895
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:15,920
football, they're like 120 dB. So, if 80

896
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:19,280
if us having a conversation is 60 and

897
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,839
that's 120, I I don't feel comfortable

898
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:24,160
knowing that I would understand exactly

899
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:25,599
what 70 and 80 is. I think that you do

900
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:30,079
need to have some type of regulations

901
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:32,000
and parameters on what is too loud and

902
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,400
what's not loud enough. But me

903
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,880
personally, I couldn't sign off on

904
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,960
anything until I actually saw the

905
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,079
decibel meter

906
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,920
» And saw how it works.

907
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:44,480
» Well, right. Right. Now, so who has

908
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,240
control?

909
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,839
So, who you mentioned they're two

910
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:52,640
separate. So, who enforces each one?

911
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:54,720
That's why it's co code the police

912
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,640
police have authority to enforce any of

913
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,640
it and codes enfor codes codes

914
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,880
enforcement division assist us with that

915
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,079
typically and and this is very complaint

916
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:06,720
driven. This is not something we go out

917
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:09,119
and find. I mean that that's just

918
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,560
» Full full honesty on that. We we don't

919
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,560
the police department does not go out

920
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:16,400
searching for loud noises to to throw

921
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:19,359
fines and and and you know throw tickets

922
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,960
at people. But when it's complaint

923
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:22,960
driven, we do we do have to respond.

924
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,240
» I got you. But I But very specifically,

925
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,160
the question I have combining these,

926
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:31,040
» What what more restrictiveness are you

927
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,800
adding or if if any All you're doing is

928
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,000
extending the time. Right.

929
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,359
» That's right. When I read through,

930
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,000
» There's really no change. It's just

931
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:41,680
making [clears throat] it easier for the

932
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,200
public and for our our officers and and

933
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:48,079
us in in planning and zoning to to have

934
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,599
all in one place. it it always used to

935
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:53,520
reside in the the um code of ordinances.

936
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:55,599
When we adopted the new the new unified

937
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,240
development ordinance, it had the noise

938
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,960
um section in it. Um we adopted that as

939
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,800
part of it, but as we've applied it, it

940
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,240
gets a little confusing. There's a

941
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,359
little bit of contradiction in it.

942
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,119
» That's right. So, the four-wheers and

943
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,720
the go-karts and all that, what what

944
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,960
explain that to me a little bit more.

945
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:14,640
What are you What are you referring to?

946
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,400
It's um so no person shall operate or

947
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,800
cause to operate any recreational

948
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,040
motorized vehicle on a public rideway or

949
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,240
a private property in a manner that it

950
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,880
that emitted sound levels exceeding 40

951
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:30,000
dB at or across the boundary of a

952
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:33,280
property receiving the noise. And um so

953
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,800
it's essentially saying you can't run

954
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,400
» And that's in it currently or is that

955
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,960
» That's in the unified development

956
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,520
ordinance currently?

957
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,920
» Studio currently, right?

958
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,280
» Yeah. And we're we are open to any

959
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,359
recommendations coming from planning

960
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,800
commission to to move forward or if we

961
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:49,760
need to have a demonstration.

962
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,480
» I have a question. Where are the most

963
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,960
complaints coming from

964
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,880
regarding this in this district

965
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:59,119
» In in our central business district in

966
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,200
our downtown area?

967
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,480
» Sure. You have a few people outline that

968
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,680
call with you know

969
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,680
» Yeah.

970
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,599
a loud burp or something, you know, just

971
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,800
occasionally we get um construction

972
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:13,280
complaints from from projects going on

973
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:16,400
um you know or or pumps that might run

974
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:18,880
at night in certain areas um you know

975
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:22,880
throughout the city at various places.

976
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:25,040
But um but for mostly it's within our

977
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,720
downtown district or or potentially

978
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,520
within some of our commercial districts

979
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,880
where you know a a bar or a nightclub

980
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,800
backs up to a neighborhood

981
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,119
» And you're adding vibration on this one,

982
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,960
right?

983
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,400
» Um vibration is currently in the unified

984
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,200
development ordinance. It would just get

985
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,599
moved over.

986
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,040
» Yeah.

987
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,680
» So basically it's giving city council

988
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,440
control.

989
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,280
» Well, they have control over the uni. I

990
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
mean ultimately they vote on the unified

991
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,480
development ordinance too but it would

992
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,119
be without planning commission's

993
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,920
recommendation.

994
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,520
» Yeah.

995
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:56,960
» So Ventura Court is also in the city and

996
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:59,520
over there when the band is practicing

997
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,560
at Wilson High School that's a lot of

998
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,359
decibb

999
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:06,160
» But it's recreational of course it's

1000
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:09,119
extracurricular activities. Let's say a

1001
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:12,000
resident on Ventur Court

1002
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:12,880
to complain on the ban. What would that

1003
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,040
look like?

1004
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,319
» They take that decimal meter out.

1005
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,000
» Technically [laughter] the band

1006
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:19,839
technically the band is in Wilson is in

1007
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,599
the county. It's not in the city, right?

1008
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,960
» But you can but you can but you can

1009
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,400
Yeah, you can hear it in the

1010
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,359
neighborhood through the trees.

1011
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,119
» I hear that at my house.

1012
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:31,440
» I I love I loved hearing it. Yeah.

1013
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:33,119
» But you may have someone who I think

1014
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,400
we'd be forced to deal with it based on

1015
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,800
the current the codes we have on the

1016
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,480
book

1017
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,920
» On the current stuff that I think all

1018
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,760
this is doing is just taking it out of

1019
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,520
our hands. We have no say in it. with

1020
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,960
the city council ultimately has a you

1021
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,960
know they are elected leaders. All

1022
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:49,040
right. So um but it it it combines

1023
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,880
everything and we we don't that's not in

1024
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,920
our purview anymore. Is that correct?

1025
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,240
That's how that's what we're doing here.

1026
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,359
Right.

1027
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:56,000
» Mhm.

1028
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:59,520
» Now they would have to take away or

1029
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:01,200
amend or add whatever they wanted. Um

1030
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,119
but you couldn't crank up a four-wheeler

1031
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,480
anywhere else currently in the city. I

1032
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:06,720
mean, if somebody pressed it, you know,

1033
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,160
I mean, you there's and I I I understand

1034
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,359
if I'm trying to sleep and I work third

1035
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,079
shift,

1036
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:14,560
» You know, bike, I get it. I get it. You

1037
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,240
know, if I'm downtown and, you know,

1038
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,440
wherever and the band's kicking up, I,

1039
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,960
you know,

1040
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,960
» I get it. So, I I think there's uh I

1041
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:26,000
think if you're an elected official,

1042
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,280
there's consequences uh to what you do

1043
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,560
and what you don't, and that's what

1044
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:33,920
elections are for. Um, but I I I think

1045
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,440
uh I think that uh personally I think I

1046
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,599
don't like any restrictions at all, but

1047
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,920
they're already there. So I think elect

1048
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,520
officials should be able to

1049
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,040
» Make the ultimate decision on that

1050
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
because their constituents are voting

1051
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,680
for them.

1052
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,280
» Um we're just a recommended body to

1053
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,960
begin with, you know. So

1054
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,040
» I get your point too, my man. I I

1055
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,680
completely, you know, it's listen from

1056
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,280
60 to 80 it it's graduated. What what he

1057
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,760
means is when you talking like this and

1058
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:00,160
it keeps going up it it's like a 3 to

1059
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,119
one 401 5 to1 ones it goes up higher for

1060
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,480
hearing you know

1061
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,520
» But it it ain't much I'm telling you

1062
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:07,359
it's not it's not much so anyway any any

1063
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,440
other discussion

1064
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:14,480
» Or any other comments what what do y'all

1065
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,560
with we have to agree on this to send it

1066
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,240
back to city council or we'll defer to

1067
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,280
tell the city council come back with

1068
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:22,400
some more information about desk

1069
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,000
» Well I mean I think

1070
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,560
» That I mean, I think you need to take

1071
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,359
action on it, either for or against it.

1072
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,880
Um, or you could defer it or you could

1073
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:34,560
defer it and ask staff, you know, to do

1074
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,319
more research in a certain area if we

1075
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,760
need that.

1076
00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,480
» And I think there's there's multiple

1077
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:42,560
options.

1078
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,839
» I mean, I read through all of it and

1079
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,359
when I read through some of I'm going

1080
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,400
this this stuff's already in effect. I'm

1081
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,720
going Jesus.

1082
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:47,920
» Yeah.

1083
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,119
» It's already this is already in the

1084
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,000
books of law. You know, I start reading

1085
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,760
this stuff. I had no idea.

1086
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,440
» See, that's where they're changing it.

1087
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,720
Well, no, they're not changing. Well,

1088
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
they're extending some of the hours, but

1089
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,599
this this stuff is going to be in effect

1090
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,640
one way or the other. It's already in

1091
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,480
effect. They're just trying to combine

1092
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,520
it under one.

1093
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,440
» We are,

1094
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,520
» You know, instead of us being involved

1095
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,440
recommending luckily, we don't have to

1096
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,280
enforce this very much. I mean, it

1097
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,359
doesn't come to light, but if it did, we

1098
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,920
we we would have to because it's on the

1099
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,680
record.

1100
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,680
» That was my next point is how we don't

1101
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,359
have to enforce it. It's just a rule.

1102
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,880
» That's right. We It's It's very

1103
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,400
complaint driven.

1104
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,560
» And I think that you're cleaning it up a

1105
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,680
good bit, right? for when you combine

1106
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,920
the other things that's being cleaned

1107
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,200
up.

1108
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,079
» We're trying to clean it up. That's

1109
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,200
right. Yeah.

1110
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,560
» Mhm. So, [clears throat] all the rules

1111
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,400
are basically there. You only extend it

1112
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,240
one hour. So, so these rules are already

1113
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,640
in place. Nothing we can do about that,

1114
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,359
right?

1115
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,520
» That's right.

1116
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:37,040
» Defining them a little bit more.

1117
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,160
» As a planning commission, you can you

1118
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,760
can recommend

1119
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,760
» You take the bull by the horns and

1120
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,000
» Yeah, we could go at it. What you do?

1121
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,760
Because

1122
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,240
» Let them come make me some more decimals

1123
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,839
going be higher stuff. It's we just

1124
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:52,240
don't go ahead and put it in there

1125
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:54,160
because real they open the door for us

1126
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,960
» And let's keep that door open while we

1127
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,800
can

1128
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,800
» Until they come up with something else.

1129
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,800
You know, they open the door.

1130
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,760
» Do we have a motion to have a motion to

1131
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,839
defer?

1132
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,640
» Motion to defer. We have a second.

1133
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:07,599
» Second.

1134
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,560
» Any discussion? All in favor?

1135
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,640
» I.

1136
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,720
» Any opposed?

1137
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,880
» It's deferred. Okay. I think we just get

1138
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,319
a little more little more

1139
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,400
» Little more, you know, background and

1140
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:19,680
being comfortable with it and and

1141
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,520
» Okay. And that'll give planning

1142
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,920
commission some extra time to review

1143
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,720
what's what's in place and um

1144
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,960
» So let me ask you this. If we come back

1145
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,319
uh like Mr. Moses, I think what I get

1146
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,400
what he's saying,

1147
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:33,839
» How could some of this be changed by us

1148
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,839
if we make a recommendation that things

1149
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,119
are changed? Is that is that way it

1150
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:39,680
works? I mean,

1151
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,240
» I think um I think because it's tied

1152
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:45,119
currently to the UDO, I think that does

1153
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:48,480
give you guys some say so in it. Um and

1154
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:50,960
what I would do is I would um I would

1155
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,000
take any recommendations that are made

1156
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,680
in your motion um for this and put it in

1157
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,480
the staff report and present it to city

1158
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,920
council at that time.

1159
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,520
» And I think that would be good. I mean,

1160
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,680
I think if I mean, I think it's a good

1161
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,240
opportunity. We, as Mr. Moses said,

1162
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,599
"We've opened the door and we kind of

1163
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,119
thought this might happen that that

1164
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,839
planning commission might have some say

1165
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,440
so in it and um for for you guys to have

1166
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:14,319
some input in it and have some

1167
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,319
recommendations."

1168
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:18,800
» Mr. Mo, so the motion you made, we all

1169
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:19,839
approved. Can we just add to that motion

1170
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,520
of what we're talking about?

1171
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:21,839
» That's up to you to make it take care of

1172
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,839
you.

1173
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:25,599
» I'd like to add I'd like to to add to

1174
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:28,000
the motion Mr. Moses and everybody voted

1175
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:30,000
for. What's some of the things if Jerry

1176
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,119
can just list them out that we that we

1177
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:35,839
want to look at? Now I for one 60 80 dB

1178
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:38,319
I mean that's that's me and him you know

1179
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:40,960
having a conversation about football and

1180
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:43,040
that that's you know that can get a

1181
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,000
little I mean you're you're in violation

1182
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:49,440
you know what I mean and and so what

1183
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:51,200
would you anybody want to suggest but

1184
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,520
what we need to do we need to verify

1185
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,000
what what's the decimate we got to come

1186
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,720
up on that we got to be educated on that

1187
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,240
that's number one and then we as a group

1188
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,720
I think we as a group need to get

1189
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,880
together.

1190
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,920
» Sure. Well, h how about a staff comes

1191
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,760
back to us with examples of Jay, I don't

1192
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,720
know how to do it. Just just sound and

1193
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,400
decibb. Um

1194
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,160
» Yeah, we we can see we can do two

1195
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,400
things. We can one, we can we can look

1196
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,000
and see what other municipalities have

1197
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,680
in place as far as decibel levels. So,

1198
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,440
we can put that in a chart so you guys

1199
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,839
can see what other places have that that

1200
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,760
that do it by decibb. And we could

1201
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:25,280
possibly also do a demonstration where

1202
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,119
we might could get bring in a decibel

1203
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,880
meter and have some sounds and show show

1204
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:31,119
y'all what that looks like. We'd like to

1205
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,520
add that. I would like to add that.

1206
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:32,960
» Got it.

1207
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,680
» Yeah. That way everybody hears it

1208
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,079
firsthand.

1209
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,760
» Yeah.

1210
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,200
» Anybody else having comments or we good

1211
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,359
on that? You look you want to say

1212
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,640
something?

1213
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:43,760
» Sure. I understand.

1214
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:47,200
» So So let me get this straight. Um

1215
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:50,240
ultimately the um unified development

1216
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,640
ordinance. Uh the ultimate goal is to

1217
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,040
move it into the code of ordinances

1218
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,480
which would take it away from this.

1219
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,000
» It would take it out of the zoning code

1220
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,920
and put it in the in the code of

1221
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,680
ordinance. ordinances. That's right.

1222
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:03,520
» Which would be well everything's

1223
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,920
governed by the city council. Yeah.

1224
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,000
» But it just go straight to city council.

1225
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,560
» That's right. That's right. And and and

1226
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,760
to be honest, it is most municipalities

1227
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,680
and counties it noise ordinances are

1228
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,280
housed in the code of ordinances. It's

1229
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,200
just, you know, these bits and pieces of

1230
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,760
it got put in the the new code when we

1231
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:24,720
adopted it. Yeah. So in in most places

1232
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,480
that is where it resides. Um so we we

1233
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,960
thought it best to just combine it in

1234
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:31,119
that category there. Okay. So, if we

1235
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,200
could if we could kind of

1236
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:34,880
» Chisel at it while we got a chance, this

1237
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,200
is probably a good opportunity to do it.

1238
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,079
» I also would like to add um other

1239
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:43,520
municipalities their

1240
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:44,800
uh decibel ordinances. Well, not decel

1241
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,680
ordinance, the same thing.

1242
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,000
» The amounts the amounts of,

1243
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,119
» You know.

1244
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,520
» Yeah. Sure thing. Yeah.

1245
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,880
» Their version of this [laughter]

1246
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,280
» The upper limits of the decimals and

1247
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,520
stuff like that.

1248
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,440
» Yeah. Sure thing. We've um we we've

1249
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,839
looked at a good many and we we can

1250
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,960
organize that into a little chart.

1251
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:04,079
» Thank you.

1252
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,599
» Anything else, guys? Nothing.

1253
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,280
» That's [laughter] right.

1254
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,640
» I know I can't hear as well as I used

1255
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,200
to. Probably because of some of these

1256
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,880
loud noises. [laughter]

1257
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:16,400
» It's the low. It's the low vibrations

1258
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:22,200
here. All right. Thank you guys.

1259
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:22,200
Okay. Um so, uh let's do PC-2026-27.

1260
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Do we have to vote on that to defer?

1261
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,280
» Oh, we added it.

1262
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,720
» We already voted further. We added

1263
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,520
» Yeah. And I just got some direct from

1264
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:32,520
planning commission.

1265
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,520
» Yeah.

1266
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,240
» All right. All right. How is everybody?

1267
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,200
» Good.

1268
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,800
» Live it. Now, let's go.

1269
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,480
» Over the next [laughter] 45 minutes, I'd

1270
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,400
like to explain the Palm Subdivision.

1271
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,200
Now, this is uh the Palm Subdivision

1272
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:51,920
sketch plan. If this looks familiar,

1273
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,880
» This was approved by planning commission

1274
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:58,079
back in 2023. Uh back then we were

1275
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,720
looking at 179 total lots, higher

1276
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:04,079
density. The developer is coming back

1277
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:06,319
with uh a different product uh than what

1278
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:09,920
we've typically seen on the on the

1279
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:13,920
market right now. So it will be uh 39

1280
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:15,520
lots as opposed to the 179. Uh, so

1281
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:19,359
here's a location map. Everything's

1282
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,680
zoned RG2. It is historically the

1283
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:24,160
Oakdale Golf Course. So this is an

1284
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,319
infill development around existing

1285
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,800
single family detached homes and that is

1286
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:29,800
what is proposed.

1287
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,440
So here's the sketch plan. I printed out

1288
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:38,240
the latest and greatest.

1289
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:41,359
So they are looking for a conventional

1290
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,920
single family type development. Uh in

1291
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:45,760
the staff report we said 42 were shown.

1292
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,119
Uh it got reconfigured a little bit just

1293
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,359
to make sure we were meeting all the

1294
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:55,200
minimum lot widths and uh lot areas for

1295
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:58,880
the RG2 subdivision and those are uh 80

1296
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,480
foot lot widths and 10,000 square ft um

1297
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,839
which is what is shown in the sketch

1298
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,440
plan now. So the setbacks that will be

1299
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:08,480
observed

1300
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:12,000
will be 25 ft in the front, 8t on the

1301
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,800
side, uh 12 feet for street side and 25

1302
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:18,160
ft in the rear. Uh water is available to

1303
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,720
the property. Sewer is not uh the

1304
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,720
individuals when they build the homes

1305
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:28,079
will request from uh sedes which used to

1306
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:29,599
be dehack to have uh septic tanks

1307
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:31,520
installed.

1308
00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:33,599
Uh so no new infrastructure will be

1309
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,520
installed by the developer. City water

1310
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:38,160
and storm water infrastructure is

1311
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,319
already in place. Uh compliance will

1312
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:43,359
still do inspections

1313
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:45,280
uh along the way. Uh the proposed

1314
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:50,319
subdivision does not require a traffic

1315
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:53,905
study. It is under the 50 lot threshold.

1316
00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:54,480
Um and um

1317
00:51:53,905 --> 00:51:56,319
[snorts]

1318
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,960
we just asked the engineer to kind of

1319
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:01,920
clean up some of the parcel shown to

1320
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,920
show what was proposed versus what was

1321
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,400
existing. And we feel he's done a good

1322
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,520
job of that. Uh staff erroneously

1323
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:11,760
thought that with the first sketch plan

1324
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,559
they were using Lake Oakdale to get

1325
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:16,400
density bonuses from preserving the open

1326
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:18,720
space. Lake Oakdale is still going to be

1327
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,200
preserved. is still in the hands of the

1328
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:23,440
homeowners association. The developer

1329
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,119
just feels that

1330
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,839
it's the right time in the market for

1331
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:31,359
maybe some larger parcels and to give a

1332
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:34,079
little more choice uh to the citizens of

1333
00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:38,640
Florence for uh different housing

1334
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:41,680
products. So the engineer did turn in a

1335
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:44,559
revised set of plans which is what's in

1336
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,920
front of you now and it does meet all

1337
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,839
the guidelines of the unified

1338
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:51,546
development ordinance. So that concludes

1339
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:53,040
staff's report. Okay.

1340
00:52:51,546 --> 00:52:55,520
[clears throat]

1341
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,760
» All right. This is a

1342
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:01,200
not a public hearing.

1343
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:05,280
Any questions for staff?

1344
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,839
» So you said it went from 42 to 39. Yep.

1345
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,960
» Right. [snorts]

1346
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:10,800
Right. We just um I think it was just a

1347
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,800
choice of the engineer and the

1348
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,400
developer. It was not anything mandated

1349
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,920
by the city. They were meeting the

1350
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,920
minimum standards that are required in

1351
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,920
RG2.

1352
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,839
» So bigger lots, single family homes. Mr.

1353
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Moses,

1354
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:36,520
» These are generousized lots. These are

1355
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,520
very generous size lots.

1356
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,559
» All right. Any other questions?

1357
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,559
» Essentially, it would get rid of the

1358
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:45,119
golf course itself. Right.

1359
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:46,480
» Right. The infill development. Yes, sir.

1360
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,559
» Golf courses no more.

1361
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:52,599
» Yes. Not being

1362
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:52,599
» Any other questions, comments?

1363
00:53:53,117 --> 00:53:55,520
[laughter]

1364
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,599
» All right. I'll call for a motion.

1365
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,000
» I'll make a motion approved.

1366
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,040
» Second.

1367
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,119
» I second.

1368
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,800
» Any discussion?

1369
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,440
All in favor say I. I.

1370
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,720
» I.

1371
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,119
» Any oppose? Eyes have it.

1372
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,559
» Second.

1373
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:13,079
» All right, that's done. That's done.

1374
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,079
Motion to journ is good to go.