1 00:00:03,340 --> 00:00:10,320 We're going to need to launch down to council's call to order, please stand and join me in this loop to the flag. 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:21,520 I've played the audience to the flag. I mean, I don't think it's a matter of whether it's a republic or a state of need to unify any of the people that were taken to justice, for all. 3 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:30,040 But this time, Clark will read Sunshine St. Stephen, roll call, please. 4 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,380 This meeting is being held in accordance with the provisions of the open public meetings act. 5 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:42,420 Attequate notice was posted on the council website and published in the brilliant accounting times in the career post on January 11th, 2006. 6 00:00:43,480 --> 00:00:44,100 Mr. Chairman. 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:46,080 Mr. Gabriel. 8 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:46,700 Here. 9 00:00:47,060 --> 00:00:47,680 Mr. Softman. 10 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:48,780 Here. Mr. Sullivan. 11 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:49,880 Mr. Fisher. 12 00:00:50,180 --> 00:00:50,440 Here. 13 00:00:51,620 --> 00:00:55,960 At this time, we have the approval of minutes for August 5th, 2026. 14 00:00:56,780 --> 00:00:59,160 Any additions or corrections to that? 15 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:05,300 Seeing none, may have a motion for the approval. Motion to approve. Motion made by councilman 16 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:11,420 front and order. Second up of that. Second, my councilman gave me all on favor indicate 17 00:01:11,420 --> 00:01:17,840 by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. So move. Financial correspondence. Tax collectors. Monthly 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:25,220 report. July 2026. Tax collectors. Monthly. We're in sewer report. July 2626. There 19 00:01:25,220 --> 00:01:32,280 motion to approve the financial correspondence. Motion made by Councilwoman Lofton, second by 20 00:01:34,940 --> 00:01:40,760 Councilwoman Solomon, on favor indicate by saying aye, aye. I's have it so moved. 21 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:51,580 We also have the treasurer's bill list for approval. A copy of the bill list has been provided for all council members, 22 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:55,160 motion to approve the bill list. Make a motion. 23 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,280 Make a motion. So I made my council and Gabriel second by council and Franardo. 24 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,360 Roll call, please. 25 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,020 Mr. Prattonardo. Yes. Mr. Gabriel. Yes. 26 00:02:06,340 --> 00:02:07,040 Yes. 27 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:07,600 Yes. 28 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:17,800 We also have regular correspondence stated July 2026 for the tax collector and also for the water. 29 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,160 Sewers monthly summary July 2026 motion to receive and file the correspondence. 30 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:29,480 Motion to receive and file. So move my council in front of Nardau, second of that. 31 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:33,400 Same my council in law, I've been meeting on a question. 32 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:42,760 All in favor indicate by saying, I, I, I, I have it so moved. We have several applications. 33 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:59,700 I do want to say that there isn't a, we had discussed at our last council meeting to request by post-194 for their, I think it was a car show to close off for all the street. 34 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:10,120 We said we checked with the police to police said it's okay. So when we put emotional for, would you want to include that or include that separately? 35 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,640 because we can take A through A if you so choose, sounds fun. 36 00:03:16,140 --> 00:03:22,120 Okay, so we have a raffle for the marching band. 37 00:03:25,500 --> 00:03:28,580 They're all premises on several occasions. 38 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:35,140 And then we have a merchandise raffle for the large sound shift civic association, 39 00:03:35,140 --> 00:03:41,060 to benefit the American Cancer Society and then the social fair permit for the 40 00:03:41,060 --> 00:03:46,360 American Legion and then the request by the Legion to close broad street for 41 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,380 there are motion to a promotion made by Councilman Fred Nardo. 42 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Second, second, my Councilman Gabriel, anything on the question? 43 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:02,800 All in favor indicate by saying aye, aye, aye, ayes have it so moved, all the 44 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,380 to the House of Commons. 45 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:08,640 Please come forward. 46 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:09,820 Please come forward. 47 00:04:09,820 --> 00:04:11,260 Please come to the microphone. 48 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,280 State your name and address for the record. 49 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:20,570 Motion made to close. 50 00:04:21,590 --> 00:04:23,750 Second motion made by Councilman. 51 00:04:23,870 --> 00:04:24,470 Councilman. 52 00:04:24,690 --> 00:04:25,850 Law of the sick by Councilman. 53 00:04:26,490 --> 00:04:28,570 The first open session. 54 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:31,150 All in favor. 55 00:04:31,310 --> 00:04:32,430 And the case by saying aye. 56 00:04:32,990 --> 00:04:33,110 Aye. 57 00:04:33,110 --> 00:04:33,270 Aye. 58 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:43,990 have it. So move. That brings us down to resolutions. We have resolutions eight through a first one 2026168 59 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:50,330 culture, the hiring of four police officers. We've been going around around trying to get people to fill 60 00:04:50,330 --> 00:04:57,130 the vacancies that we have. We now have some people going to school. But we're looking for these individuals 61 00:04:57,130 --> 00:05:04,430 if they make it starting September the 82026. We also have an application to 62 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:08,570 membership in the summer set county cooperative pricing system. This system 63 00:05:08,570 --> 00:05:13,350 will help us when we're buying items because we'll be part of a cooperative 64 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:21,030 agreement. We also have that's 2026-169 and we have 2026-178 65 00:05:21,030 --> 00:05:23,930 to canceling taxes on property owned by totally disabled 66 00:05:23,930 --> 00:05:25,950 refettering your child. 67 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:28,630 And then we have a cooperative brunt 68 00:05:28,630 --> 00:05:30,830 to county participation agreement 69 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,990 with the Community Development Act in 1974. 70 00:05:34,790 --> 00:05:38,810 That's 26, 27, 17, 17, 17, 17, and then we have 26, 71 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:43,730 26, 172, and that's to make our fourth payment 72 00:05:43,730 --> 00:05:46,250 as we're dealing with the blue building down here 73 00:05:46,250 --> 00:05:49,070 in the recreational complex. 74 00:05:49,070 --> 00:05:52,770 that's for renovations. God bless you. And I have a motion to approve the 75 00:05:52,770 --> 00:06:01,110 approved resolutions, a 26168, 26172, motion to approve motion made by 76 00:06:01,110 --> 00:06:06,110 Councilman Pratt Nardau, second by Councilman Lawton, ending on the questions on the 77 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:10,770 resolutions. Hearing non-roll call please. Mr. Pratt Nardau. 78 00:06:10,970 --> 00:06:14,810 Yes. Mr. Gabriel. Yes. It's often. Yes. It's solid. Yes. 79 00:06:14,810 --> 00:06:21,630 Yes, we have no ordinances. Are there any reports of committees boards or officers? 80 00:06:23,900 --> 00:06:26,120 Hearing none brings us down to. 81 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,200 Mayor and administration. Mayor. 82 00:06:29,940 --> 00:06:32,120 Yeah, the only thing that I really had. 83 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:40,080 You have seen come across your desk that there was a request from New Jersey property taxpayers. We have a coalition. 84 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:44,100 for a resolution from our township of urging a performance 85 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:48,080 model of New Jersey's electric utilities that was received to us. 86 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,060 Because it was beginning of this week and there's actual copy 87 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:55,580 of the resolution. 88 00:06:56,340 --> 00:07:02,460 And so I'm just making a recommendation that we go ahead and move forward with that resolution. 89 00:07:03,700 --> 00:07:07,180 So as far as anything else that's pretty much. 90 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:09,280 Is there a time limit on that mirror? 91 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:10,180 It says. 92 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,820 All that it's. 93 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:18,710 Yeah, Tom, do you recall that? 94 00:07:18,910 --> 00:07:20,030 I don't see a time limit. 95 00:07:20,830 --> 00:07:21,390 Yeah, I don't see a time limit. 96 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:22,130 Yeah, I don't see a time limit. 97 00:07:22,130 --> 00:07:23,070 A time free of all. 98 00:07:23,290 --> 00:07:26,210 It just says that it's said that. 99 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:26,750 It's touching. 100 00:07:27,010 --> 00:07:29,110 You know, as we approve a resolution support. 101 00:07:30,210 --> 00:07:47,830 I'm going to send to all municipalities in the state and it's up to the governing body to decide whether the cause will launch a resolution of support or not. So they are asking at a current or your next meeting to do something like this. So I do have any other questions. 102 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:50,130 I'm going to go ahead and move forward. 103 00:07:50,130 --> 00:07:53,570 I'm just going to do that. 104 00:07:53,970 --> 00:08:00,890 Okay. Okay. All right. Well, if the administration will prepare that for nine two, then we can move on that. 105 00:08:00,890 --> 00:08:01,970 Thank you, Mayor. 106 00:08:03,310 --> 00:08:11,690 Administrator, do you want to hold your comments until we get to unfinished business, or I will, I'll be dealing with the unfinished business, but I have nothing outside of what's in the unfinished business. 107 00:08:11,750 --> 00:08:11,990 Okay. 108 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:13,430 All right, division of law. 109 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:14,510 You're good. 110 00:08:15,930 --> 00:08:17,230 Division of engineering. 111 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:20,410 We have our representative more here tonight. 112 00:08:21,370 --> 00:08:24,530 He's going to talk about the baseline sound investigation. 113 00:08:24,530 --> 00:08:27,150 And we're ready to, and we're ready to, 114 00:08:31,390 --> 00:08:36,210 for a little bit of data, data of installations 115 00:08:36,830 --> 00:08:40,910 and engineering status report for August 22nd. 116 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:44,960 Yes, and we're going to do the data center. 117 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:46,260 Thank you. 118 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:47,520 Thank you. 119 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,260 So I reached out to a program that you've got 120 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:55,720 Sound studies and data input. 121 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,300 And explain the situation. 122 00:08:59,020 --> 00:09:03,560 They had several concerns with how good 123 00:09:03,560 --> 00:09:06,200 the study performed with data. 124 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,000 One of the biggest concerns is that 125 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,520 it doesn't stop without two miles from 126 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:12,740 the 127 00:09:14,980 --> 00:09:16,760 problems with data and the data on 128 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,920 that this is very important to be 129 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,240 able to develop data to 130 00:09:25,630 --> 00:09:30,510 And that analogy of how it's like a dormitory is suggested 131 00:09:30,510 --> 00:09:34,990 during a baseline of how we need to gain general noise data 132 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:38,390 in the minimum part of priority construction of the internet. 133 00:09:39,170 --> 00:09:42,010 I'm not sure if you're not worried about it. 134 00:09:42,010 --> 00:09:45,490 Do you have another week of gathering data on the more data? 135 00:09:45,930 --> 00:09:48,370 Name over a certain different approach. 136 00:09:48,650 --> 00:09:54,130 We said, doing the baseline study of the priority construction of the 137 00:09:54,130 --> 00:10:00,870 the one way of doing it, and we could do that at that baseline, and then after it's constructed, 138 00:10:01,650 --> 00:10:08,470 they definitely better to do kind of a hyperfocus study, where in time, a lot of games 139 00:10:08,470 --> 00:10:11,430 used to be able to see that data center for a little bit. 140 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:17,470 And see where coming from it and being able to think of everything and see how loud that is. 141 00:10:17,470 --> 00:10:19,010 and trying to make a closer, 142 00:10:19,330 --> 00:10:20,930 is to give you the three groups 143 00:10:20,930 --> 00:10:23,230 about what that knows from the data center. 144 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:27,390 You just do a general, no way of data gathering 145 00:10:27,390 --> 00:10:30,550 after the stroke end, you won't know where 146 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:32,690 this coming from, you're not picking up on this. 147 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,000 That being said, even quick that approach, 148 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,240 it would be more difficult to take these two miles 149 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,520 apart from the data center, is 150 00:10:48,710 --> 00:10:51,030 what it was when 151 00:10:51,030 --> 00:10:54,230 and that second-centivated after-the-term utility. 152 00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:57,290 A lot of times, ladies and gentlemen, 153 00:10:57,370 --> 00:11:00,270 fully operational and open several years after 154 00:11:00,270 --> 00:11:02,390 this is something they have to have capacity. 155 00:11:07,420 --> 00:11:10,600 Generally, in the least level that may be picked up by 156 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,780 sounds like it's done, that this is in two miles. 157 00:11:13,420 --> 00:11:14,340 The second one, right? 158 00:11:14,740 --> 00:11:17,480 Sirs, if they had, in terms of power. 159 00:11:23,790 --> 00:11:27,270 What's your recommendation here now, as far as... 160 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:30,350 Well, actually, Mark and I spoke brilliantly. 161 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:33,090 not tonight as well, the prior. 162 00:11:34,810 --> 00:11:38,650 I could tell you that the tune of about $15,000, 163 00:11:38,770 --> 00:11:42,570 I think it was $75,000 per ton, ton, ton, ton twice. 164 00:11:43,610 --> 00:11:46,650 I don't know that it's money well spent on something 165 00:11:46,650 --> 00:11:50,670 that they can't pin, and they can't stand by the evidence 166 00:11:50,670 --> 00:11:53,910 or the information that they glean from this. 167 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:56,470 They actually, as I remember, there was a conversation 168 00:11:56,470 --> 00:12:04,110 about asking Pennsylvania what the bass sound, there's an analysis done over on that side somewhere, 169 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:11,530 and then what the increase is there. Again, that's not what impact does, but there's an 170 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:26,450 understanding then if it's going to be adding to the ambient sound in the area and whether or not 171 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:35,230 before they did the construction and even if you don't use anything for several years until you 172 00:12:35,230 --> 00:12:41,490 maybe get complaints here, then it can show that it is from that. 173 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:42,610 And that's the thing. 174 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:48,130 I get the sense that what they're saying is they can't tell you certain that it's from that. 175 00:12:48,210 --> 00:12:51,690 You may have experienced an uptick in root 1.30 traffic. 176 00:12:51,750 --> 00:12:53,350 You might have experienced additional voting. 177 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:55,630 and you might have experienced ambient noise from the village 178 00:12:56,090 --> 00:12:57,610 that if you capture all that, 179 00:12:57,750 --> 00:12:58,990 you're gonna make a false assumption 180 00:12:58,990 --> 00:13:00,290 that it's related to the data center. 181 00:13:00,630 --> 00:13:03,570 The data center is also 10 or 11 or up to 14. 182 00:13:03,730 --> 00:13:05,930 I'm not sure the number now, different buildings. 183 00:13:06,450 --> 00:13:08,870 So we may be studying this thing over a 10-year period. 184 00:13:09,350 --> 00:13:11,550 And at what point is that baseline, 185 00:13:11,650 --> 00:13:14,650 like, baseline 20 years ago on Chisol, 186 00:13:15,110 --> 00:13:17,270 nine street, would have said something different 187 00:13:17,270 --> 00:13:18,910 about the term plague than it does today. 188 00:13:19,710 --> 00:13:23,170 So we don't know what all else will have to come into play 189 00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:30,330 what will impact the study results. I could tell you, in my estimation, based on this and the 190 00:13:30,330 --> 00:13:35,750 two professionals that have weighed in, I don't think that we're going to get anything out of this. 191 00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:40,870 It's that's useful. It might only cause you questions, but nothing that you're going to be able 192 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:47,210 to go to a court of law or to assert any type of claims. And even still, it's across the state boundary, 193 00:13:47,630 --> 00:13:53,150 which I've recently learned that we have really no rights whatsoever to try to assert any 194 00:13:53,150 --> 00:13:59,310 claim against them, you know, Florence did it with the landfill, and it was not a 195 00:13:59,310 --> 00:14:04,670 held in court, it was settled outside because waste management decided that they wanted 196 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:09,650 to do something for the community, and even though they knew that they were not going to 197 00:14:10,330 --> 00:14:11,610 lose in a court of law. 198 00:14:12,810 --> 00:14:16,370 So you know, further, um, when I was on the boat with 199 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:20,020 help, um, 200 00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:24,760 you mentioned that, even if you were to take the exact same area, and you will be 201 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,060 long, so you can get a baseline, and if it was no shopping at all, I have to get 202 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:29,620 that. 203 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,700 If you take the exact same area here later, you can use that same sun, you could get two 204 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:39,920 different crystals, just because something they have happened, suddenly you feel they're 205 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:48,960 the same area, you can do it like that happens. So it is very difficult to say, we are not 206 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,860 where there is something, we are going to go to our baseline. 207 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,740 I understand you, is it? 208 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Do you think? I'm going to the meetings. We're saying we'll go over and I believe it was 50 decibels. That's what they kept saying. 209 00:15:09,580 --> 00:15:23,220 Well, my understanding with data centers is this low-grade hum that is below 50 decibels, but that hum is the sound that really affects wildlife, 210 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:30,740 effects humans. It's granted the high pitch noise that you hear in all the videos is certainly annoying, 211 00:15:31,700 --> 00:15:37,140 and that would be able to be heard because of a gold bulb of this 50 decibels. But is there 212 00:15:37,140 --> 00:15:49,060 any way to see or find out what that decibel range is and see of that sound, that specific sound, 213 00:15:49,060 --> 00:16:12,440 It's related to data centers is in our environment now and then when this thing kicks on that we can at least compare that sound not just more noise because, you know, you could have more trucks on Route 130 and increased in noise, but this specific range of decibels that seems to be. 214 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:12,880 what you want to do. 215 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,440 Please, let's see. 216 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:14,840 That's the word I'm looking for. 217 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,180 This certain frequency is what you keep hearing about being some disruptive. 218 00:16:19,740 --> 00:16:27,820 And that it travels, over things around walls, you know, it's not as easily contained 219 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:31,740 as I think I'm just talking out of what I read. 220 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:39,800 Is that a possibility to just look in our environment for that, identify that sound first 221 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:40,740 or that frequency? 222 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,300 I think I can ask 223 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,880 a certain date, they still accept that, 224 00:17:01,140 --> 00:17:03,040 trying to say that they're doing any effects. 225 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,220 Oh, okay. 226 00:17:06,170 --> 00:17:07,890 Yeah, because I don't know that it was worth it. 227 00:17:07,890 --> 00:17:09,610 I mean, obviously, we'll worry about more sound. 228 00:17:10,310 --> 00:17:16,170 But it's unique sound that it seems to be the biggest challenge around these data centers. 229 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:17,890 That it's just not more noise. 230 00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:20,690 It's annoying noise. 231 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,560 You have not the mark was couldn't normally report on it. 232 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:36,460 But you have the interest. 233 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:38,340 Yeah, we have that for August. 234 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,600 And this was an question that you have Mark's here. 235 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:42,500 So we have any questions? 236 00:18:09,340 --> 00:18:10,140 So that's thank you. 237 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:12,020 That's the grand application at this point. 238 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,040 They had comments back on the application. 239 00:18:17,410 --> 00:18:17,810 The face story. 240 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:19,430 Thank you. 241 00:18:19,490 --> 00:18:20,650 Should we touch on, man? 242 00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:22,070 Should we touch on there? 243 00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:25,850 There will be a change order coming on broad street phase two 244 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:27,870 to include some drainage improvements 245 00:18:27,870 --> 00:18:33,010 at the corner of the road where we had to explain in that 246 00:18:33,010 --> 00:18:33,950 particular there. 247 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:36,910 So that would have laid next to Joe's office for as long as I can 248 00:18:36,910 --> 00:18:42,390 remember. Obviously, it did get made worse. It was made a little bit worse, simply because 249 00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:47,810 the way I guess I have to describe it is we had to raise and flatten the curve level a little bit 250 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:52,390 to accomplish the new ADA standards because of the proximity to the doorway to the office. 251 00:18:53,010 --> 00:18:57,730 And because that had to happen, the pavement obviously had to come up and it just exaggerated that 252 00:18:57,730 --> 00:19:02,670 water retention a little bit. But we do have a change order coming from Barrett in order to install a 253 00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:06,590 new inlet, which actually probably should have been done many, many years ago on the other side of the 254 00:19:07,270 --> 00:19:09,330 connecting it into the storm system. 255 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:14,870 And that will remediate that water problem lying there. 256 00:19:15,970 --> 00:19:19,030 The problem that was worsened as well as the old problem 257 00:19:19,030 --> 00:19:20,430 that has always existed there. 258 00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:22,150 Yes, so that will be corrected. 259 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:24,930 So like Mark's been working on that with the contractor. 260 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:26,250 They did similar proposal. 261 00:19:27,010 --> 00:19:29,650 And it's a very reasonable change order for the amount of improvement 262 00:19:29,650 --> 00:19:31,150 that we're going to see at that corner. 263 00:19:31,810 --> 00:19:33,330 We'll want to get that started right away. 264 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:35,650 So you'll see the change order authorization at September. 265 00:19:35,650 --> 00:19:37,810 But we don't want them to delay. 266 00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:39,470 We've got a lot of to. 267 00:19:39,630 --> 00:19:41,450 We're going to make sure we get that going immediately. 268 00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:43,650 Thank you. 269 00:19:44,690 --> 00:19:45,490 Thank you more. 270 00:19:45,950 --> 00:19:46,210 That's it. 271 00:19:46,670 --> 00:19:48,850 But you could love to you on your new endeavor. 272 00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:50,490 I think it will be a favor of the other. 273 00:19:51,630 --> 00:19:52,370 Do you have? 274 00:19:53,170 --> 00:19:55,090 You know, if you want to. 275 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:57,750 We're going to talk about some of those. 276 00:19:58,170 --> 00:19:59,690 The improvements that works. 277 00:20:00,330 --> 00:20:01,270 Let's do that for some price. 278 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:02,490 Well, there might be a question. 279 00:20:02,590 --> 00:20:02,910 Sure. 280 00:20:03,290 --> 00:20:03,690 Okay. 281 00:20:03,690 --> 00:20:07,290 Okay. Okay. Okay. I thank you for that report, though, in that update. 282 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:15,310 Division of Wooder and so are utilities. Take this in done finished business. Now, we have 283 00:20:15,310 --> 00:20:23,790 several unfinished business areas. And, you know, they all require financial assistance and 284 00:20:23,790 --> 00:20:30,310 some larger than others. We'll take one at a time. First, the Morris Court parking lot estimates. 285 00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:33,590 Tom, could you give us the information on that? 286 00:20:33,890 --> 00:20:37,470 So good counsel's packet, there was a concept design 287 00:20:37,470 --> 00:20:40,730 of what we may be able to do behind more 288 00:20:40,730 --> 00:20:44,490 or answering the questions of the residents there 289 00:20:44,490 --> 00:20:47,890 with regard to how difficult it is to park on their street. 290 00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:51,970 The first concept, option number one will call it, 291 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:55,470 would be to install roughly 20 parking spaces behind their homes, 292 00:20:55,670 --> 00:20:58,110 coming off of Cedar Lane with a new curb cut 293 00:20:58,110 --> 00:21:02,110 and driveway opening, the cost for that, 294 00:21:02,170 --> 00:21:05,690 the actual hard cost has made to be around $204,000. 295 00:21:07,050 --> 00:21:11,490 You're looking at, it's a substantial cost for 20 parking spaces. 296 00:21:12,810 --> 00:21:15,030 That's the bill that they're right, you still have engineering costs. 297 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:16,750 You would still have engineering. 298 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:22,490 You're talking about that could end up like a quarter of a million dollars. 299 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:24,930 I think that's close. 300 00:21:25,210 --> 00:21:26,690 That's probably a reasonable number. 301 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:36,850 Yeah, so about over 12,000 dollars per parking spot, if you equate it to the calls per parking spot. 302 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:41,770 It is a huge project when it comes to number. 303 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:49,390 We have roads that require immediate attention, existing infrastructure that needs some help. 304 00:21:49,910 --> 00:21:55,110 And so, you know, it's up to Council if you wanted to consider bonding for something like this. 305 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:58,730 You cannot afford this in your budget. It doesn't work that way. You'll have to project it. 306 00:21:58,730 --> 00:22:01,810 You don't incur debt and finance it over a period. 307 00:22:04,110 --> 00:22:08,490 It's something that you might, you know, consider in future road programs. 308 00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:11,230 If you do a larger scale road program. 309 00:22:12,850 --> 00:22:16,050 But I explained that if we do a larger scale program, 310 00:22:16,050 --> 00:22:21,890 the more that we do, it's sort of, it's going to come back with something overall called. 311 00:22:22,490 --> 00:22:27,130 You could, you could, you'll get better quantity, you know, pricing on quantities. 312 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:29,430 Okay, the engineer will have counsel. 313 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:50,000 I have a question. I mean, this is for opinion. Excuse me, because I don't know exactly what situation is over there, but I mean, is it possible, even just to make that rock like rocks instead of being paid and what was that, you know, 314 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,620 It's an option. 315 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,580 There's still, it's a substantial amount of base that you're going to have to create with rocks. 316 00:23:00,220 --> 00:23:04,940 Depending on the size and what gives you still may have stormwater management that you have to deal with. 317 00:23:10,540 --> 00:23:11,660 the service. 318 00:23:11,660 --> 00:23:13,720 So we can sort of start with the service. 319 00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:16,280 So we go to that coordinator. 320 00:23:17,180 --> 00:23:18,620 On additional medical service. 321 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,620 It will trigger the water control limits. 322 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:21,460 So we. 323 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:22,460 We're going to go. 324 00:23:24,180 --> 00:23:26,240 So the last one actually is 100. 325 00:23:26,660 --> 00:23:27,440 We're going to go to the. 326 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:27,860 That's why the. 327 00:23:28,700 --> 00:23:29,280 So we're going to. 328 00:23:34,460 --> 00:23:35,800 So we're still. 329 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,260 So we're going to have to actually be a little bit as well. 330 00:23:38,260 --> 00:23:45,630 to discuss a base underneath that draws on top as well, and also when I was speaking to the 331 00:23:45,630 --> 00:23:50,290 people, it's on that full of work. It can be a little bit easier to know about the problem, 332 00:23:50,910 --> 00:23:54,990 and you like to think of it for that, whereas it's a lot of important things for that. 333 00:23:58,070 --> 00:24:03,750 It looks like materials on the asphalt. There's about $35 to $40,000. 334 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:10,190 So you would essentially be looking maybe around 1, 160 plus the engineering. 335 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:13,610 It has to go out a bit, 336 00:24:15,860 --> 00:24:20,800 so it's so much because it's all wooded back there. 337 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:22,360 It's work. 338 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,740 You should play it. 339 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,400 So we're sort of a caution one. 340 00:24:25,540 --> 00:24:27,540 That part is a good thing. 341 00:24:27,540 --> 00:24:29,720 But essentially, you have the next to be out. 342 00:24:30,420 --> 00:24:32,660 Not a good idea to put in the base. 343 00:24:33,020 --> 00:24:33,860 Play it in the last one. 344 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,740 Play it in the last one. 345 00:24:35,740 --> 00:24:40,740 to exactly get a good service to drive like have more of a good one. 346 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,040 That's really a better database and that's what it is. 347 00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,160 And then the top was a nice one. 348 00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:49,260 Quite different than I guess when we're doing resurfacing after here, 349 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:52,460 I'm going to post for us to resurface for us to do it because that base is all we can do. 350 00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:54,720 You're just taking all the top two inches. 351 00:24:56,660 --> 00:24:57,860 You have to build. 352 00:24:57,860 --> 00:24:59,320 You have to actually build the road. 353 00:24:59,780 --> 00:25:00,480 So you have to build the road. 354 00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:03,100 So you have to build the road. 355 00:25:03,100 --> 00:25:04,740 Please, friend, you. 356 00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:07,100 It's not as simple as just 357 00:25:07,620 --> 00:25:08,080 being 358 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:13,750 a sponsor. 359 00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:15,690 I also have to create a card away. 360 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:17,870 Of course, I should get in and out as a sponsor. 361 00:25:18,370 --> 00:25:19,590 It's not just, 362 00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:21,690 by night and spot. 363 00:25:23,550 --> 00:25:26,880 Any other questions, council? 364 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:33,390 So, I'll relate to the people that have been the chief 365 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:34,050 of the questions. 366 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:35,350 Yeah, I think, 367 00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:37,610 I don't know. 368 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:40,730 Obviously, we have, 369 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:49,470 you know, this is something that we, we, we certainly want to pay attention to. 370 00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:57,470 I guess we're going to have to wait and see, as we move into our next budget as to, 371 00:25:58,410 --> 00:26:04,570 what kind of programs we're going to, you know, undertake and then go from there, but at this point time, 372 00:26:04,570 --> 00:26:09,630 It doesn't seem like council is of the opinion that, you know, we could spend a quarter 373 00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:15,350 million dollars on this particular project. I'm not talking out of two in the mirror. 374 00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:19,990 No. Are people currently packing back their anyway? No. 375 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:24,350 What they're doing is they're they're they're double parking in there. 376 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:30,470 But on the street now I'm aware of that. You know it's a it's one of those situations where we've 377 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:37,230 inherited a bay of design to begin with. And now we're sitting here and yes, it's going to 378 00:26:37,230 --> 00:26:48,450 call us a tax fairs and I think you got to put that aside with the other. Yeah, I don't 379 00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:55,970 want for a while, yep. I mean, I think we owe it to like Paul Pines to pay the room before 380 00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:57,630 We do not have them like that. 381 00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:58,030 It's all in. 382 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:00,780 Okay. 383 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,360 Moving along the rolling park parking space 384 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,780 The system that you came up with figures on that. 385 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:06,120 Yeah. 386 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:10,780 You look at what was the opportunity for us to add some additional 387 00:27:10,780 --> 00:27:12,800 Noes in parking while we were inside Avenue. 388 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,260 It came up with about 16 spaces that we could 389 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:19,380 Noes into the park where there was no obstructions. 390 00:27:19,900 --> 00:27:22,380 And the number we're looking at. 391 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,000 Park costs around $81,000. 392 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:31,420 push you have engineering, project management, inspections. I just took a well-part. 393 00:27:31,420 --> 00:27:32,600 So that's a 100,000. 394 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,260 That's a 100,000. 395 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,120 That's a 6,000. 396 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,940 Again, same thing, you know, we have priorities, but I know that I think one, at least one 397 00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:45,320 council member, one, council member said mentioned about more opportunities for parking to support 398 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,660 the park functions and activities. 399 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,140 And so I wanted to make sure we got it. 400 00:27:49,180 --> 00:27:53,680 We have a good understanding, so anything in the future, we can consider it unless you decide 401 00:27:53,680 --> 00:28:00,000 need to proceed with this sooner. I would recommend that, again, we know we have existing 402 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,360 infrastructure that needs to be dealt with, I'd recommend that we look at this for a future 403 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:10,620 brown to county park grant permit program, because the county does really like to see where they 404 00:28:10,620 --> 00:28:16,480 where you've leveraged funds before, like we have at that park, and to continue to add amenities to 405 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,700 to show that those, those things are being used in particular says we're putting in the 406 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,940 part our new playground. 407 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:31,200 The last question, because on the fore end of the part, don't we have something in the 408 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,540 works for an entrance flowing dam? 409 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,180 We've, we've applied for a trail program. 410 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,200 Yeah, we have a path down. 411 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Yeah, a path down. 412 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,100 No, yeah, I mean, yeah. 413 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,480 Yes, connecting the parking lot. 414 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:51,480 Now, just so you know, that parking lot at the end of second avenue, that was authorized by a county park grant in the past. 415 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:55,840 So again, it's not outside the scope of reality when it comes to what the county. 416 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,420 Okay, so it would seem to put this on hold until we get here. 417 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:06,580 Well, okay, this for when the opportunity presents itself, unless you, the other wise, then we would pursue it. 418 00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:11,500 All right, that moved us on to 12 timber utility service installation of data. 419 00:29:11,580 --> 00:29:14,620 I did not give you anything that writing for that. 420 00:29:16,420 --> 00:29:22,060 Jeff Smith and Kent Jones have ordered all the materials that you authorize last week. 421 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:26,360 At this point, we know we're going to start getting materials in trips and drives. 422 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,140 And when is that going to have to start to happen? Say what they want to say. 423 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:36,920 A week of the seventh, which is Labor Day, they're looking to mobilize on September 8th. 424 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,660 So they'll be calling in all their markouts. They have all the engineering details are done. 425 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,480 I'm not out of this meeting. 426 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:53,920 I'm informing the governing body first and then I'm sending a letter to the residents, indicating exactly what's going to take place. 427 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,980 Zeroes are ordered. They're going to mobilize for it because we work on the 8th. 428 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,300 But stay on the 9th. 429 00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:25,660 It'll also spell out the fact that, and after tonight, I hope we have more information, that the public, the utility department, will be stabilizing and sub and basing the trench, so that it's a probably a better driving surface on that area, they excavate that some of what's already existing. That'll get us through the winter. And that brings us to the next conversation, but that's where we stand. 430 00:30:25,660 --> 00:30:31,500 Because once they put the utility and it needs time to be able to settle right you can't you can't really pay 431 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:37,660 Over top of that because it will and that you're living off and especially there because there's a high water table 432 00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:43,260 And they're going to want to get really good compassion that they're going to mechanically compact, but at the same time 433 00:30:43,260 --> 00:30:50,020 So that's why I didn't put a next one which is tall timber resurfacing estimates but I have a question 434 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,480 was this the project that 435 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,660 There may be a fee if they need to connect. 436 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,420 There has to be a fee. Any time you connect to the municipal. 437 00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:04,860 So they'll be notified if that fee wins that. 438 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:07,680 That's my goal is that I'll get the connection fees. 439 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:09,320 Everything will be outlined in that letter. 440 00:31:09,540 --> 00:31:12,180 That if you connect, this is what you'll pay for water. 441 00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:13,460 This is what you'll pay for sewer. 442 00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:17,240 So all of that has to be spelled out in the letter. 443 00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:30,040 And remember, Council has not, you've not shown any interest or in going in and doing any added assessments or property improvement assessments and trying to reclaim that. 444 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,540 In this case, we're moving forward with the policy. 445 00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:44,540 Well, we're trying to, yeah, we're trying to fix that area, but, you know, I mean, the people there, I mean, I driven on that a couple of times going out to the high school. 446 00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:46,080 There's potholes all over the place. 447 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:53,200 We know it has to be corrected and as far as the woulder and sewer, if people want to utilize 448 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,500 that service, then they'll have the opportunity to do so. 449 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:57,300 So, yes. 450 00:31:57,500 --> 00:32:02,300 But I think you didn't get to change the finish for the, that we're not putting additional 451 00:32:02,300 --> 00:32:07,500 systems on the properties because it increases value, it increases the value of the property, 452 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:08,960 but we're not going to do that. 453 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,760 Again, I just want to make sure I state that here. 454 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:11,640 Make sure it's for the record. 455 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:20,420 I've not taken them. You're actually having the council to do any special assessments and we're moving forward because it's just such a we're trying to help rather than hinder. 456 00:32:21,580 --> 00:32:23,780 So that brings us to the next topic. 457 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:33,640 We know the condition of the road. We know after we do our repairs it's going to be better in spots, but it's going to be damaged. It's going to be up, you know, lift it up. 458 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:44,140 Mark went out, you did an evaluation, Mark jumped in anywhere you want, but they have the estimate in front of them around $455,000. 459 00:32:44,340 --> 00:32:46,900 For a million paving of a tall timber. 460 00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:53,840 Is there anything there that of note or anything that you think the council should know about? 461 00:32:54,620 --> 00:33:02,120 You know, we're not doing new curbs and sidewalks unless it's absolute. We're trying to keep this thing so that it's. 462 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:21,620 Is that a total cost, because what's the most, the as far as cost and most? 463 00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:37,520 And I would imagine that depending upon what's going on internationally, that that cost of the asphalt could definitely go up because that's all oil-based. 464 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:42,440 There's always contingencies, and you did take put contingencies in here. 465 00:33:58,660 --> 00:34:06,760 So, you know, Council, you've heard from the public, you've driven it, you've seen it yourself, you understand if we understand it also the condition of the road. 466 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,720 This is, this is not something you've led you for, this is something you bond law. 467 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:15,780 So, you, you know, basically you'll do this. 468 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:27,720 If you're going to move forward with this, you could, you can consider doing this as a one off, or you can consider doing a slightly larger bond that we covered this and maybe two roads as a road program next year. 469 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:33,660 like a mini-road program in addition to the Tall Timber, we would be talking about that during 470 00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:36,040 budget time, but you certainly aren't doing it this year. 471 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:50,960 Moving ahead, obviously, we want to get this done, but if we can partner that with some other 472 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,060 things that we need to do and if we are going to bond 473 00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:59,300 for the whole package, you know, so that would put us what 474 00:34:59,300 --> 00:35:03,740 into the spring or where would that, well, 475 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,940 time where would that put us about, like we were going to, 476 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:13,100 we could take, you might be able to bond this year or you could do it 477 00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:15,920 after the first of the year. Either way, you're not going to do any 478 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,740 design and bidding and all that until the spring or something or anyway, 479 00:35:19,740 --> 00:35:26,320 Yeah. So, you know, it's not the timing of the bond is not crucial. Knowing that we just need 480 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,780 to know that we're going to do sometime, I don't know, June, July next year, we're 481 00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:36,060 milling and paving. I don't know if that should be sufficient time after our work is done. 482 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,920 You know, you're looking to six, seven, eight months after our work is done for everything. 483 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:52,710 Let me see this after our work is done and of course there's going to be still problems 484 00:35:52,710 --> 00:35:53,810 with the road. 485 00:35:55,130 --> 00:36:07,130 Are we able to go in there ourselves and correct that as best we can because we're never 486 00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:11,490 going to fix the pot holes until we totally do the whole road over. 487 00:36:11,490 --> 00:36:12,730 We know that. 488 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:18,890 But the conditions are such that those people have to drive over those panels, especially as 489 00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:20,110 you first go in. 490 00:36:22,810 --> 00:36:29,630 And I guess I'm looking at, is there some way that we can notify and at least let the 491 00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:37,690 residents know that we're going to try to do everything in our power to get that as workable 492 00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:41,110 possible before we can move to the final conclusion. 493 00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:43,110 That's one of the things I can be so proud of. 494 00:36:43,450 --> 00:36:44,370 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 495 00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:46,110 I mean, we could patch all day long. 496 00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:48,370 But there's a couple spots that need more than action. 497 00:36:48,910 --> 00:36:52,550 Okay. So we just have to go out and we need to box them out, 498 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:56,850 identify them, and work with a probably a contractor to help us with 499 00:36:56,850 --> 00:36:58,970 tall cut, a quick zipper mill. 500 00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:06,130 And I'm just saying, we're trying to buy time until we can get to the 501 00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:10,910 where we can take a better look at this or bonding power and so on and so forth. 502 00:37:11,350 --> 00:37:14,390 But for the residents that live there, 503 00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:19,770 I would hope that we would do everything that we're capable of doing 504 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:25,730 to make utilization of those people coming and going to work to school 505 00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:29,970 to personal things, to business, to family functions, just everyday act. 506 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:37,900 activity. As, you know, as comfortable as possible without, you know, going over, you know, 507 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:44,020 we're going to, we want to do it after we've going in with the utility job. 508 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:47,820 Okay. Because we're going to be out there. Well, I'm saying, I'm not, yeah, I'm not saying. 509 00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:54,200 And are utility people will probably be our staff. We'll probably do the ones that go out and fix some of those bad areas. 510 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,820 But I just hate to see us put a lot of effort to do that. 511 00:37:57,820 --> 00:37:59,500 It doesn't make sense to do that. 512 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,680 We're throwing away time and effort. 513 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:02,280 Yeah. 514 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,360 It doesn't make sense. 515 00:38:03,460 --> 00:38:04,480 I understand that. 516 00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:09,200 I'm just looking that moving forward until we can get. 517 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:10,900 You know, yes. 518 00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:12,200 So that we have. 519 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:19,460 We're doing everything that we can do to make the situation as good as we can under the circumstances. 520 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,920 And we'll tie their restoration of their trench in with 521 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,780 fixing some of the areas that we identify. 522 00:38:26,620 --> 00:38:26,640 Okay. 523 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,040 Anything else on that? 524 00:38:29,340 --> 00:38:29,600 Okay. 525 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:30,760 Moving along. 526 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:31,800 New business. 527 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,580 There's a proposal for dates for 20, 27 council meetings. 528 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,800 You have that in your package. 529 00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:49,050 More. 530 00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:51,690 You want to build more? 531 00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:51,970 Yeah. 532 00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:52,850 Thanks. 533 00:38:54,510 --> 00:38:54,710 More. 534 00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:55,950 You didn't build more. 535 00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:57,730 You think you're good? 536 00:38:58,170 --> 00:38:58,750 You think you're good? 537 00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:59,070 You think you're good? 538 00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:59,570 Listen. 539 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:21,310 I'd like to talk about maybe moving to two meetings a month versus three if we can get it done. 540 00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:21,750 Why, 541 00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:29,410 why don't I just don't see the need for three meetings a month. 542 00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:36,270 Well, why do we want to reduce the opportunity for the public to come in and speak to us by 25%. 543 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:38,270 listen, that's my recommendation. 544 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:44,950 That's that's how I feel. I mean, honestly, a couple of us 545 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:51,410 ran on me, I ran on making sure everybody's voice is heard and it sure doesn't seem like. 546 00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:58,750 Well, cutting it down by 25% is. There's not a whole lot of people in here. It's not like you're 547 00:39:58,750 --> 00:40:06,940 cutting anyone off from speaking and I've never heard there. I don't want banter back and forth. 548 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:14,360 that's my right one. You put a proposal on comments on that. Everybody has the 549 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:19,620 what you're sick. I acquired about this. We talked about it. 550 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:29,060 I tend to agree with the mayor from a standpoint. I don't want to send a message. 551 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:33,500 If our administration can do it within two minutes, 552 00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:35,120 I'm fine, whatever we do. 553 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:42,540 However, I'm not a real big fan of cutting off access, 554 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:43,700 public access. 555 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,260 I'd rather have public, we lost the Zoom 556 00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:50,520 because of all kind of craziness that you had people 557 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,900 that you feel a community came to pay. 558 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,640 Now we don't have that. 559 00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:57,000 The only former communication they have 560 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:05,960 If they call somebody and if they come to a public meeting, now you're right, they're going to be times, there's going to be people here and all depends what the issue is. 561 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:18,100 You know, if you have a hot issue or whatever, I know that Fred's talked to me, he's talked to Tom Tom's indicated, yeah, it can be done. 562 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:26,400 You know, whether we go to, to me and I asked a question, what was it done like this? 563 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,280 I guess this is how it was standing operating order. 564 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,880 Well, it's just how we did things. 565 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,140 I don't think we could put ourselves the same category 566 00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:36,180 of anybody else. 567 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:37,840 I know that the mayor, and I know myself, 568 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,580 and I know Gina, and I'm sure you too, 569 00:41:40,820 --> 00:41:43,740 Brett, we've all run on trying to make ourselves more accessible 570 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:45,180 to the people. 571 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,080 I used to be that people. 572 00:41:47,740 --> 00:41:47,960 Yeah. 573 00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:52,300 And to be able to come and have the conversation 574 00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,840 with council when something happens, then having 575 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:02,600 to wait three weeks in order to be able to come in or additional weeks to be able to come in 576 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:08,000 throughout the entire year. I don't know. I'm just really, I'm against cutting off the public. 577 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:16,640 And all you do then is end up with more misinformation on that Facebook page because we don't have 578 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:22,580 an opportunity to preempt it. That's just my opinion. I'm not a voting member of the council and it's 579 00:42:22,580 --> 00:42:24,760 You're meeting, thank you. That's why I can. 580 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:32,720 John, for our field, take me one meeting away, is it going to be a problem? 581 00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:37,580 The eight other aspects of it is that we're like him. 582 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,580 I'm going to say it's one meeting along. 583 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,700 I don't think that's going to be really taking anything away from the public. 584 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,900 The other aspect of it is that our business becomes something where we need more. 585 00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,480 can always do a special meeting. 586 00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:57,600 Y'all were hired with this meeting, with this many 32 meetings. 587 00:42:58,420 --> 00:43:00,520 We were all hired with 32 meetings. 588 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,680 This is my, I don't see where you're going with this. 589 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,020 I mean, I'm making a record of that. 590 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,480 You're not cutting off the public yet. 591 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,440 Wait, wait a minute. 592 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,740 You're cutting them off on the other side. 593 00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:10,320 You're cutting them off on the other side. 594 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,980 You put something on the table, okay? 595 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,400 And it's a council meeting. 596 00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:21,660 The mayor will be recognized in America. 597 00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:27,640 as an opinion, like a strong opinion, like everybody else, I stated what I said. I want to hear from 598 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:36,180 other councilmen, Prattinaro, spoke out, I don't know where the ladies are, but you put a proposal on the table. 599 00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:44,240 Now, we either go with what's been in our packet and what we've done forever that we've tried to 600 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:50,060 create and atmosphere out there that we're totally transparent to people or all of a sudden, 601 00:43:50,060 --> 00:43:52,160 you know, we want to come up with a different plan. 602 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,020 There's two ways to look at that. 603 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,560 It's a practical, yeah, maybe it is. 604 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,760 And we could get things done. 605 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,480 However, what message are we sending to people? 606 00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:01,340 I don't know. 607 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,120 I have a question. 608 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,920 If it were to go to two meetings, 609 00:44:06,740 --> 00:44:09,420 would you recommend the first and the third? 610 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,600 And then if a special meeting or additional meeting 611 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,240 was needed, because I feel like we have an executive meeting 612 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,780 and then we have a work exception meeting. 613 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,120 There hasn't been anything outside of the youth alliance 614 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:32,700 for the league that we had to have a work session for. 615 00:44:35,060 --> 00:44:36,880 Actually, you could comment on that. 616 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,620 The work session is not really becoming. 617 00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:39,100 Really? 618 00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,140 We treat work sessions just like regular. 619 00:44:42,660 --> 00:44:44,700 Because we're moving business. 620 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,520 Because things come along, especially, 621 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:58,800 Something can pop up on your desk that needs attention to, especially if it requires us lose and money or something or something that's going to be a benefit to us. 622 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,360 You know, and you stop and you have to take a look at what you're doing. 623 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:13,440 Well, so the question, I think the question was whether it's the first, first and second, or first and third. 624 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:21,260 First of all, let me answer that we can make do with two meetings under the, like, prompt payment laws and all the different things we have to do. 625 00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:26,080 I know we can make the payments we get authorization for bills. That doesn't concern me. 626 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:33,480 Anything that comes up, we can quickly, very easily, especially under the new guidelines for public notices, schedule meeting. 627 00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:47,300 I think that probably the first and third would be the best, just simply because there is a very long run that could happen on those fifth Wednesday months that, you know, there could be some points. 628 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,640 I don't like that. I don't personally like that. 629 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:55,780 So that means 1st and 3rd would be in your best interest to keep coming up. 630 00:45:55,780 --> 00:45:59,660 Just 10, and Nancy can back me up. 631 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,460 The Tashup does a lot of ordinances within one month. 632 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:08,440 Usually on the 1st and the 3rd because you need statutory time periods built. 633 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,660 Right, well that's what I was saying. 634 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,120 So if you went to 1st and 2nd, what you really do is slow down your ability. 635 00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:15,760 Right, a whole month later. 636 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:20,460 Which we don't I don't think we want to do that. We want to we want to 637 00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:27,380 We want to hear if it was to you're suggesting the first and third. Yeah, because at the time that it takes to move 638 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:33,100 Yeah, well ordinances have to be published and then they have to you know, you got seven days ten days after adoption 639 00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:37,640 You got a period that you have to pay attention to and if you stayed at first and second 640 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,820 You couldn't do an ordinance within two months 641 00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:55,820 Yeah, we could have creating issues with our for ourselves if there's, you know, certain things that maybe we could have ready for a meeting that weren't that had a deadline and then we're trying to see if we can get a core for a special meeting and. 642 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,640 Well, so you're. 643 00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,660 How do you feel? 644 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,580 I mean, listen, I. 645 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,100 I'm. 646 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:05,980 I'm. 647 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,940 that there's so many of these states, there are Wednesdays when I came to speak before I was 648 00:47:11,940 --> 00:47:16,580 on council where I couldn't make every Wednesday. So I was happy that there were a few months. 649 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,680 I mean, I would be, I mean, if there was a month here and there where you felt you wanted 650 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,480 to take it down to two, maybe there months when we have slower business, maybe that's something 651 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:35,400 we came into the middle about. But I do like, I prefer that residents have many meeting options 652 00:47:38,200 --> 00:48:00,240 I'm going to say this, I really didn't look at this part of me, but you know, I've been away, so I don't, I haven't really totally digested all of it, you know, to check with other communities. What are other communities doing Tom as far as meetings? 653 00:48:00,820 --> 00:48:06,340 it varies by community I would say three. Why? Why would it vary? Tell me why it would 654 00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:08,300 vary. Why do you think it varies? 655 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,660 I think it's the way the community grew up and developed. 656 00:48:14,300 --> 00:48:19,320 Okay. There are things that are unique to Florence, you know, place collection trash. 657 00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:25,800 Right. That's the same exact thing I said earlier. Yeah, but if you touch it, it's a, it's a, it's a, 658 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:32,100 real. Three meetings a month is kind of unusual. Two meetings a month is probably more standard. 659 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,580 My experience with one, once a month meetings unless you're a tiny community is they turn 660 00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:49,020 in the marathons. One of the things that's beneficial to more meetings is you have more opportunities 661 00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:57,500 to let the steam out, people can come and say, you know, this is that if you listen the number 662 00:48:57,500 --> 00:49:02,220 of times that happens, then everyone's like, I taught me to fix something or report on something 663 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:07,980 or, and you know, then the reports get longer, so you're trying to get longer, the resolutions get 664 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:15,700 longer, and you could, you know, end up, you know, that would be a once a month meeting, to, you know, twice a month 665 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,380 That's probably what a lot of accounts. 666 00:49:21,660 --> 00:49:24,060 You know, I'm thinking back, you know, I know my account does it. 667 00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:27,040 I know Hamilton, yeah, the Mercer County does it. 668 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,920 I think we're only going to get a check, that's it. 669 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,120 Should there's issues that we want to go to one and it's for our meeting. 670 00:49:37,860 --> 00:49:37,940 Yeah. 671 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:40,120 That's for a look down that size. 672 00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:44,000 But it is hard to advance legislation when you get down to that field. 673 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,660 it takes two months to do it with a piece of 674 00:49:46,660 --> 00:49:49,560 an ordinance, you know, a 20 day 675 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,680 hour. I don't want to slow the process down. 676 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,780 Shame on us if we would, you know, 677 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,000 moving it. 678 00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,780 Absolutely. Yeah. 679 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,200 It's certainly wouldn't if you do first and third. 680 00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:04,520 If you wouldn't want to do first and second one, 681 00:50:04,620 --> 00:50:06,140 you've never wanted to want to. 682 00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:06,440 Right. 683 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,000 Okay. 684 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:12,520 So. 685 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,060 How some in Gabriel puts, 686 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,720 I'm sorry, what put your motion. 687 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,880 The recommendation, what's the move in two meetings a month? 688 00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:26,260 Whether it be the first two or the first and the 689 00:50:30,130 --> 00:50:30,430 third, 690 00:50:30,430 --> 00:50:32,770 second to that, second. 691 00:50:34,170 --> 00:50:35,070 Did you have any questions? 692 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:37,980 I don't. 693 00:50:38,140 --> 00:50:38,640 I have a question. 694 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:47,220 So, because I like your genus compromised, 695 00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:52,700 of where if the agenda was slow, could the meeting be, 696 00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:57,560 cancel meeting like we do in the planning board because we don't have any if we don't have 697 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:04,480 an office or if it's just we just that ever happy where we don't have a topic but we can always 698 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,060 just add a meeting. Yeah but is it easy? I think it's hard. 699 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,480 What's easier? We're building attendance. We're going 700 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,440 to know that we have the ability to use a window. We're going to fill those Wednesdays with things 701 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:25,760 as they come in. If we only have two Wednesdays, we're going to take that stuff, but it 702 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,440 on those Wednesdays. You could be four Wednesdays. I'm going to fill your 703 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,120 agenda. Fill your reach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're not getting bored, that is 704 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:39,420 the stuff. I mean, we'd get to have a light meeting. But you can, it's I think today it's 705 00:51:39,420 --> 00:51:44,680 easier to add a meeting because of the way we do public nice out. I mean, it's very easy 706 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,200 with the public notice now, just being on the website. 707 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,420 So we're going to be easy to get a quorum. 708 00:51:54,810 --> 00:52:01,850 Well, and you're still limiting your residents' ability 709 00:52:01,850 --> 00:52:04,270 to come, because it's going to be based on what we think. 710 00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:07,170 We're going to add a meeting, which we have an agenda item, 711 00:52:07,330 --> 00:52:08,930 not because there's a whole bunch of residents 712 00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:12,330 that are upset about something that want to come and talk to us. 713 00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:17,410 It just changes the ability for them to come in and speak. 714 00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:22,790 I can hear the, I can hear the Facebook page now if I'm changing. 715 00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:23,710 Okay. 716 00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:29,890 Not another recommendation, so we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. 717 00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:57,230 So from January to May, is budget seized. 718 00:52:58,190 --> 00:53:00,230 So you would want to use one of those meetings. 719 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:17,050 It's, it's, I, unless you want to fill, let's say you didn't have them, you're still going to do the business, we're still going to do this Saturdays unless you tell me otherwise because I think that's very productive. 720 00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:30,970 the Saturday budget evening. Yes. Well, if you don't necessarily need them all, but it does give you maybe one day of pressure relief for budget purposes only. 721 00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:39,220 We could do it. We could make anything more. 722 00:53:39,220 --> 00:53:41,180 on your schedule. 723 00:53:42,420 --> 00:53:51,640 I mean, June, what about, like, for example, June, we think would be safe to, 724 00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:54,840 would we need 725 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,300 three or would we need two? 726 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,440 There's nothing that I could think of and I have to ask Nancy and Janice if they take 727 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,680 of anything in June timeframe. 728 00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:07,580 I mean, do we reach, do I mean, like, so you're saying, and so essentially what you're saying 729 00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:13,660 is take the third meeting from October, possibly. 730 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,980 I mean, I feel like December would be right before the budget, 731 00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:22,520 maybe there would be things that I potentially come up. 732 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,640 Any budget information you're going to get in November, December? 733 00:54:25,780 --> 00:54:29,300 It's going to be sent to you, not really conversation. 734 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,780 Because it's going to be so extremely preliminary. 735 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,520 I mean, we really get into the throws of it in January. 736 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,960 because we need to close out, get a understanding where we are. 737 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,440 If you wanted to... 738 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:48,800 I mean, November December also is when we bring in new people that are either elected 739 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,700 or whatever to get accustomed to being on council as well. 740 00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:54,660 So, I'm going to... 741 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,500 I'm going to... 742 00:54:56,500 --> 00:55:01,940 I, you know, I can appreciate everybody's fields and things and so on and so forth. 743 00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:09,470 Completely convinced. 744 00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:15,870 some more of a mind that I think, now more than ever, 745 00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:18,250 the way things are in our country, 746 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,640 all the bloney that goes on, 747 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,820 the people's lack of trust in government. 748 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,600 I think it's important for us to be as transparent as possible 749 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,380 and to make ourselves available to the public. 750 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,300 I mean, I'll live with anything that goes obviously, 751 00:55:38,300 --> 00:55:42,300 but that's just like that's that's my professional bit. 752 00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:45,120 So do you guys take a vote on it? 753 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,160 Yeah, we have the answer. 754 00:55:46,660 --> 00:55:47,000 Okay. 755 00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:49,740 So there's a motion second, 756 00:55:49,740 --> 00:55:51,300 roll calls please. 757 00:55:52,580 --> 00:55:53,480 Mr. Pratt's an order. 758 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:57,060 Mr. Gabriel. 759 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,120 Ms. Lothan. 760 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:01,100 No. 761 00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,090 Ms. Sullivan? 762 00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:06,650 Mr. Propole. 763 00:56:06,910 --> 00:56:07,250 No. 764 00:56:07,790 --> 00:56:08,910 Okay. That's defeated. 765 00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:21,250 Now, I will say this, that if, in fact, moving forward, that we have these things in place, 766 00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:34,190 if for some reason there isn't a need either because of just a lack of, you know, and maybe 767 00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:38,710 we instead of call it a work session, we call three council sessions. 768 00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:42,850 So, I mean, it does 769 00:56:42,850 --> 00:56:48,210 that make a difference from a standpoint, because if I would do anything, it would be first 770 00:56:48,210 --> 00:56:54,530 and third. I would never go one and two. I just think that's too long a period of time and especially 771 00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:59,530 when it comes to hearings on audiences and stuff like that. It takes you, you would introduce 772 00:56:59,530 --> 00:57:05,490 at the beginning, you have to go a whole month before you get any movement on that. That doesn't make sense. 773 00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:14,650 You talk about government grinding to a halt. Okay, all right. Okay, moving along. 774 00:57:16,510 --> 00:57:24,870 Can I just ask, are you approving those dates? Well, right now the proposal went down. So now we 775 00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:30,750 need a motion to approve the dates that you're right that what was proposed. 776 00:57:31,610 --> 00:57:38,730 Yes, I understand you need that. I understand that. Is there a motion to approve what's 777 00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:49,050 come from the clerk's office reference to the 2027 Council calendar so she could start building 778 00:57:49,050 --> 00:57:53,250 calendar. Make a motion. Motion made by 779 00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:55,950 Councilman Gabriel. Second of that. 780 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,040 Second by 781 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,100 Councilman. The law of anything on the question. 782 00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:06,210 I don't need a roll call vote or just a. 783 00:58:07,070 --> 00:58:07,590 Or. 784 00:58:07,690 --> 00:58:09,470 Let's do roll call. Okay, roll call. 785 00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:10,930 Move please. Mr. Fratzenard. 786 00:58:11,350 --> 00:58:14,300 No. Mr. Gabriel. 787 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:17,840 There's often. Yes. 788 00:58:20,070 --> 00:58:21,470 Mr. Sullivan. Yes. 789 00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:25,810 Mr. 790 00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:32,210 Okay, that brings us into Board of Health. We have nothing. I think under miscellaneous. 791 00:58:34,330 --> 00:58:35,710 Hearing nothing. We have. 792 00:58:36,070 --> 00:58:37,110 Okay, I'm sorry. 793 00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:49,100 I have been working with Steve Zellucky, the Director of Air Force Training Program for Records, 794 00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:53,240 regarding an air study for the data center. 795 00:58:53,660 --> 00:58:59,320 His opinion is that it's not, we don't have enough time to get a baseline. 796 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:06,960 For air study, you need around 5 to 10 years because the atmosphere changes, 797 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,720 and you really want to determine whether you're getting air from the landfill, 798 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:17,820 and that would take time to do. 799 00:59:17,820 --> 00:59:41,680 So his recommendation was that we Oprah, the PADP for their air modeling study, and that once we obtain that information, his team and students would review it to see if we had any concerns or if the study was done correctly. 800 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:47,680 he wasn't a good good faith because everything has been fast tracks. So whatever 801 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,460 modeling that the considering is the EP approved for that he would want to 802 00:59:53,460 --> 00:59:59,960 review on behalf of guards. So I just wanted to to make that note that I 803 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:15,960 So what would happen from this point then? So we don't have any baseline data that we could use in court to say that there's been a change in our aid from the 280 natural. 804 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:23,060 Let me check with Mayor Lagos and Warden Town, because when all of this came about, that 805 01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:29,720 we realized this is happening, and we've been working together along with the mayor 806 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:38,120 from Fieldsboro and Warden Town Obrough, all the documents related to the Falls Township 807 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:39,160 Data Center. 808 01:00:39,380 --> 01:00:42,920 So this information may be part of that Obrough request. 809 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,520 I just don't know because she opened false township. 810 01:00:45,700 --> 01:00:50,820 She didn't open the PADEP that I'm aware of. 811 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,380 So she may have this information on the challenge. 812 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,900 I'm going to be able to provide that at her next. 813 01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:02,380 Well, I'll reach out to her and find out if she received anything related to air quality. 814 01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:03,120 Okay, okay. 815 01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:07,220 Because I mean, they should have, I would imagine they've done something because that was the 816 01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:11,960 whole reason that they had the meeting in false township had to do with their air quality 817 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:17,280 Yeah, all right, so we'll work together on right, making whatever public records request. 818 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,320 I'm sorry. Thank you. Second session public comment. 819 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:24,620 And when wishing to speak, please come forward. 820 01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,400 State your name. 821 01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:30,940 And address speak to public or just a touch of counsel. 822 01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:39,300 Thank you guys for getting this project moving. I know it's a big undertaking. 823 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:49,860 I know Tom said that he was going to get a letter out. Hopefully, it'll, I mean, some of the questions that we have, I guess I can address here, or I can shoot you more email. 824 01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:53,400 I'd love to have an email from you because I'll make sure that I cover everyone. 825 01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:55,220 I'd like to ask you because then they sit at inbox. 826 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:55,800 It's like, okay. 827 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,300 Because I can move it to. 828 01:01:57,300 --> 01:02:01,200 Plus I'll address all of your questions and then any that I anticipate from the public. 829 01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:02,120 Yeah. 830 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:03,980 I mean, because we have talked around now. 831 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,840 We've seen it about there's only 42 homes in there. 832 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:14,560 So, but I will shoot that off, and I guess my one question that I have that I feel for everybody just 833 01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:21,800 roll on the same page, what is the after-do-do utility work are you paving where you dug up or 834 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,520 we just leaving dirt and rock to settle the base down? 835 01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:26,080 That's what I was bringing up about. 836 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,160 That's where I wasn't here. 837 01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:33,020 No, once our utility work is done, each day they'll close it probably with a, you have your 838 01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:37,900 like that. And then they'll wipe off certain pieces of it when they feel like they've stabilized 839 01:02:37,900 --> 01:02:42,900 to the point where they're going to be asphalting the trench. Okay, so our statement over 840 01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:49,060 the winter, we should have an asphalt. If you have a trench open over the winter, we have a 841 01:02:49,060 --> 01:02:55,220 search problem. Why don't we have a trench is now? Yeah, no hard guys definitely are going to be closing 842 01:02:55,220 --> 01:03:00,820 not getting it as full, a trench will be as full, okay. Yeah, all right. Thank you. 843 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:05,240 It'll be patched up until the time that the whole surface gets re-done. 844 01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:07,520 Right. Okay. I just, I wasn't clear on that either. 845 01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:11,680 The asphalt patch would probably be better than the route. Oh, 100%. 846 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:16,980 Okay. Or the patch or the patch you never tried to do to a problem. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Anyone else? 847 01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:22,120 Anyone else? Motion to close. Motion to close. Motion to close. 848 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:30,760 Councilman, Matt Nortos, seconded at second my Councilman of Sullivan, on favor indicate by saying aye. 849 01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:39,560 Chair will attend a motion to adjourn for this evening, motion made by Councilwoman Sullivan second. 850 01:03:41,060 --> 01:03:44,260 Councilman Gabriel on favor indicate by saying aye.